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00:03:14 hegemoOn: :)

00:03:17 hegemoOn: ok

00:03:20 hegemoOn: thank you

00:03:44 hegemoOn: well thank to my honesty, when i bought monero from him otc

00:07:44 hegemoOn: im discovering mpex.co and fraudsters

00:08:04 hegemoOn: i need 30.01btc to continue my discovery :)

00:08:46 danielpbarron: better get to writing

00:09:03 hegemoOn: how much does it pay ? :)

00:09:10 danielpbarron: and reading (the logs)

00:09:49 danielpbarron: 1 S.QNTR share per word published, not including blockquotes (or footnotes?)

00:10:34 danielpbarron: it's about 5 USD worth per paragraph at current prices

00:16:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00042614 = 17.8127 BTC [+] {3}

00:19:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12457 @ 0.00042661 = 5.3143 BTC [+]

00:20:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3143 @ 0.00042701 = 1.3421 BTC [+]

00:25:51 cazalla: hegemoOn, this is what you need to know/do before writing for qntra http://qntra.net/2014/10/write-for-qntra-earn-equity-in-qntra/

00:25:52 assbot: Write For Qntra, Earn Equity In Qntra | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZC84l )

00:26:24 cazalla: actually, wrong article

00:26:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00042701 = 3.715 BTC [+]

00:26:44 cazalla: http://qntra.net/about/ second last paragraph

00:26:45 assbot: Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZCdEZ )

00:34:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00042179 = 5.7574 BTC [-] {2}

00:43:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00042809 = 8.5832 BTC [+] {2}

00:53:02 cazalla: but if anyone meets the criteria, there are more than enough bids on s.qntr to make it worth your while, bingoboingo and i can't cover every single one so there is room

00:55:27 TheNewDeal: How does one receive shares sans mpex account?

00:56:44 cazalla: TheNewDeal, coinbr

00:57:06 TheNewDeal: Mmmm gotcha

00:58:31 TheNewDeal: ;;bids 216.90

00:58:32 gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 454.36058 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 98962.6777544 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0182 seconds

00:58:48 TheNewDeal: ;;Ticker

00:58:49 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 219.38, Best ask: 219.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 219.47, 24 hour volume: 10130.00972289, 24 hour low: 217.99, 24 hour high: 223.43, 24 hour vwap: 221.18131801

01:16:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12247 @ 0.00042932 = 5.2579 BTC [+] {3}

01:25:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00042981 = 6.1678 BTC [+]

01:33:00 ben_vulpes: mandarin: quit fucking joining and parting

01:33:09 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mandarin quit fucking joining and parting

01:33:09 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:40:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00042981 = 8.0374 BTC [+]

01:47:44 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: how much work to auto-kick join/part sp4mz0rz?

01:48:58 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015-info/femen-strauss/femen-strauss.htm

01:48:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ec9Cd9 )

01:49:21 asciilifeform: ^ self-explanatory

01:51:29 PeterL: I feel like I need an explanation, wth are they doing?

01:51:53 asciilifeform: *auto-ban

01:52:42 asciilifeform: this is not only annoying but is a ddos vector of a kind.

01:53:51 PeterL: ddos how?

01:54:02 asciilifeform: log bloat

01:54:17 mike_c: so turn off join/part notifications?

01:54:23 asciilifeform: why should i

01:54:49 asciilifeform: 'doctor, arm hurts.' 'here, let me saw off'

01:55:00 PeterL: lol

01:55:03 mike_c: 'doctor, arm hurts' 'ok, i will build robotic arm for you'

01:55:33 PeterL: add culprits to ignore list?

01:55:42 mike_c: auto-ban seems harsh for something that may not be intentional

01:56:24 asciilifeform: may not be intentional << i might care if it were an actual person

01:56:45 PeterL: but according to gavin, disk space doubles every year, so you should not worry about bloat!!!1!

01:57:00 mike_c: if assbot autobans though, it may be actual person next time

01:57:02 asciilifeform: as it is, it's one of the silent remoras that may just as well be the ddosbot

01:57:05 danielpbarron: it's the same message over and over so it should compress well :p

01:57:34 mike_c: but, i am biased as i have join/part turned off.

01:57:37 danielpbarron: hey that was a different quit message; i think he got the message

01:58:51 PeterL: does log bloat count as ddos? it is not really denying you services?

02:00:05 danielpbarron: if my hard drive gets full it does

02:00:19 asciilifeform: PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-02-2015#1014281

02:00:19 assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 02:58:05; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, cazalla, other writery folks: anybody up for writing a basic likbez for the 'unified theory' of amplification attack as it applies not only to boring ddos but to gavincoin and in general to any system where some bozo can inflict cost C on you by spending c where c < C

02:00:38 asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu thought that this was obvious and doesn't need a likbez. turns out he was wrong ?

02:01:01 asciilifeform: PeterL: ddos vectors are about potentials.

02:01:29 PeterL: I guess it would be different with a concered attack rather than one idiot with a bad connection

02:01:49 PeterL: s/concered/concerted

02:01:55 asciilifeform: idiot with bad connection gives ideas to malicious idiots with many good connections.

02:03:06 PeterL: so you are suggesting putting in a join/part cap autoban now, to stop potental attacks in the future?

02:03:23 asciilifeform: just putting the concept on kako's radar.

02:03:38 asciilifeform: (assuming it wasn't already somewhere down on the list)

02:03:42 danielpbarron: maybe a command similar to !down that requires a few people to initiate

02:04:16 PeterL: !kick ?

02:04:34 asciilifeform: PeterL: idiot can rejoin after kick

02:04:41 asciilifeform: has to be a ban

02:04:49 danielpbarron: or maybe the reverse; assbot autobans, and if it was a mistake someone can !unban

02:04:58 asciilifeform: ^

02:05:16 asciilifeform: exempt folks in wot, these must face actual judgement of their peers

02:05:27 asciilifeform: but for remoras - the swiftest possible discipline.

02:05:39 PeterL: maybe if kicked then assbot also bans for n minutes? (n=30?)

02:06:07 danielpbarron: kick is such a silly irc command

02:06:41 PeterL: remora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remora

02:06:43 assbot: Remora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcfnYk )

02:06:57 asciilifeform: yes, them.

02:07:05 PeterL: nice name

02:07:07 asciilifeform: the suction cup fish.

02:07:29 PeterL: I like the imagery

02:07:31 decimation: asciilifeform: I second request for the likbez, would be useful to link

02:08:37 decimation: re: ddos < last night I noticed my internet had been taken offline by ISP, and I wonder if somehow the ddos'er can hack cloaks

02:08:58 asciilifeform: decimation: are you entirely certain that your client did not disconnect & auto-rejoin ?

02:09:05 asciilifeform: decimation: cloak tends to go to pieces in that situation

02:09:07 decimation: no it was disconnected at the modem

02:09:19 asciilifeform: yes, but prior to that

02:09:34 decimation: it's possible, I don't log closely

02:09:50 asciilifeform: and, disconnected how? had to open a service ticket with isp ?

02:10:03 decimation: well, I have a dsl modem with shitty chinese firmware

02:10:24 decimation: in its 'status' page it said "DSL Connected" but "Internet Disconnected"

02:10:39 decimation: I'm pretty sure "internet disconnected" meant that the pppoe session was down

02:11:20 *: decimation is sad that ppp is used over a perfectly 8-bit clean channel

02:12:22 asciilifeform: may as well also be said about tcp over lan, where no packet ought to ever drop unless the place is on fire...

02:12:33 decimation: good point.

02:12:50 decimation: there's plenty of shitgnomery in telco deployments

02:13:18 decimation: in this way, the docsis design is at least a clean sheet without layers of 'channelized data' thinking

02:14:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00042906 = 4.7626 BTC [-] {2}

02:15:18 danielpbarron: http://l.b-a.link/?date=27-11-2014#937343

02:15:19 assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 18:53:32; fluffypony: besides, this is a trivial problem - all IRC servers in a network need to be in-sync (services etc.), so just sync up a table of IP -> random string key-value pairs

02:15:39 danielpbarron: decimation, ^

02:18:23 decimation: danielpbarron: yes, it is amazing that nobody has done this

02:18:23 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:18:57 decimation: only the endpoint server to which you are connected has any business knowing your ip

02:20:26 decimation: the shitgomes at google and facebook manage to 'sync' your account across many machines without revealing your ip to anybody

02:20:34 decimation: http://ownme.ipredator.se/ < amusement

02:20:35 assbot: BTC Piñata ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcjnrK )

02:21:14 asciilifeform: ^ amusement but not as author meant. 10btc is a laughable bounty for the problem posed.

02:21:24 decimation: asciilifeform: aye

02:25:56 Adlai: http://bitbin.it/jPDv00CG

02:25:57 assbot: rainstorm - BitBin ... ( http://bit.ly/19aNo1W )

02:26:54 Adlai: disclaimer: ideas produced on or around 4:20 are to be considered as highdeas, regardless of the author's actual mental state (in this case, drunk)

02:28:52 PeterL: it's 4:20 somewhere

02:31:07 thestringpuller: heh

02:32:19 asciilifeform: decimation: it belongs in roughly the same circus of lulz as, e.g., microshit's offer of 50-100k usd for 0days that are each worth a million pwned boxes, and the like.

02:38:09 mircea_popescu: cazalla bingoboingo "It would be nice to see more articles like this, but I won't hold my breath." :D

02:38:15 mircea_popescu: i tell you this is a niche :D

02:40:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00041855 = 6.5712 BTC [-] {3}

02:43:11 mircea_popescu: Naphex: https://twitter.com/XotikaTV < o hey.

02:43:13 assbot: Xotika.TV (@XotikaTV) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ecpn3I )

02:48:20 mircea_popescu: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/11/us-mideast-crisis-congress-authorization-idUSKBN0LF1KP20150211 << lmao

02:48:22 assbot: Obama asks Congress to authorize U.S. war on Islamic State | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/19aPpLw )

02:48:42 mircea_popescu: wasn't the party line that isis is really friendly ?

02:48:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only when it was called 'syrian rebels'

02:49:07 mircea_popescu: oh oh i see.

02:49:13 mircea_popescu: so what about the ukraine rebels ?

02:49:14 asciilifeform: the usual afghani switcheroo.

02:49:19 mircea_popescu: once they start gasing people ?

02:49:43 PeterL: now they are saying that the friendly syrian rebels are different from ISIS

02:49:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2703 @ 0.00041619 = 1.125 BTC [-]

02:50:02 asciilifeform: aha just like the friendly mujahedeen

02:50:03 mircea_popescu: i can almost feel this coming, you know, by 2018 it will be "these ukrainian rebels that did ATROCITIES!!! that russia invented!"

02:50:11 PeterL: in Ukraine the rebels are terrists

02:50:27 mircea_popescu: PeterL not those rebels, the other rebels. the derps in kiev.

02:51:29 mircea_popescu: this is my ukrainian prediction : that before the decade is out a) kiev will be widely reported to have run atrocious concentration camps and b) the us/nato will be misrepresenting themselves as "against this" and russia as somehow related to it.

02:51:54 asciilifeform: sop.

02:52:03 mircea_popescu: i have never known of a militaristic regime that was frustrated in the field / widely inept military that didn't start massacring civillians.

02:52:14 mircea_popescu: it's like the loser husband with a smal penis - always beats the wife.

02:52:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kiev's been grinding up civvies in industrial quantities for most of a year.

02:52:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. i'm the one with the intel.

02:52:42 asciilifeform: via shellings, rather than gasenwagen, but quite deliberately

02:52:48 mircea_popescu: but somehow the us propaganda machine seems to have never heard of this.

02:52:50 asciilifeform: it isn't any kind of secret

02:52:53 asciilifeform: except from anglos

02:52:54 asciilifeform: 'ESL'

02:53:07 asciilifeform: anyone who gives a fuck can get a live video feed of the 'fun'

02:53:09 mircea_popescu: i dunno dude, i seem to have missed the 500 headlines a day about how kiev is atrocious.

02:53:24 mircea_popescu: perhaps because of all the derpage about "women slave markets in the middle east"

02:53:44 mircea_popescu: (if anyone's going send me a coupla cherchez chicks too)

02:55:01 mircea_popescu: or how do you call it, Карача́ево

02:55:31 asciilifeform: kiev 'idea' was 'let's shell'em a bit and they'll pack up to ru, then we get cities, factories that we had no part in building, gratis, free of ru speakers, we can settle in our west ua orcs'

02:55:43 PeterL: I have a friend from Crimea, he still has family there, says they are all grateful to Putin for saving them from the fate of the rest of Ukraine

02:55:57 *: asciilifeform has blood relations there, ditto

02:56:00 mircea_popescu: PeterL this would be the general sentiment.

02:56:27 PeterL: mircea_popescu: but this sentiment is not reflected in the US press

02:56:31 mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you call these people in english anyway ?

02:56:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dja know ?

02:56:40 asciilifeform: who?

02:56:48 mircea_popescu: karachay ? cherkesia ?

02:56:52 asciilifeform: circassians

02:56:58 mircea_popescu: the traditionally highest priced white chicks in arab slave markets

02:56:59 mircea_popescu: ah

02:57:25 asciilifeform: as written in n. barber's 'the sultans' and other classics

02:57:51 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Flag_of_Adygea.svg < yeah that.

02:57:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19aQpPR )

02:58:42 decimation: speaking of predictions: I predict that hawaiians will be considered 'official indians' and be put on the bezzle dole http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/10/china-threatens-arm-hawaii-separatists-who-want-ki/

02:58:43 assbot: China threatens to arm Hawaii separatists who want kingdom - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/19aQvqA )

02:59:05 mircea_popescu: chinese sea base in hawaii would be pretty epic

02:59:20 mircea_popescu: you know they want it. you know they could actually get it.

02:59:38 decimation: there has been 'debate' for years on whether the 'native hawaiians (korean slaves)' should be considered 'indians' and given bezzlars

02:59:51 mircea_popescu: that's clearly drawing to an end, yeah.

03:00:07 PeterL: decimation: next bombing of Pearl Harbor comes from the east?

03:00:18 decimation: well, if they have the patience to wait 100 years they might get it

03:00:30 asciilifeform: http://www.dpvintageposters.com/cgi-local/detail.cgi?d=9685 << related

03:00:31 assbot: DP Vintage Posters - Free Leonard Peltier Original USSR Soviet Union anti-American Protest Poster ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ectw7Y )

03:00:41 mircea_popescu: decimation they could get it next year if they cared enough.

03:00:51 decimation: hilariously, the actual hawaiian islands are 100% dependent on usg military, etc for income

03:01:07 mircea_popescu: decimation problem is chinese military has way more money.

03:01:11 decimation: if they became 'independent' they would just become someone else's bitch

03:01:30 mircea_popescu: ask anyone working for military tech, they'll tell you 2/3 to 90% of the chinese performance is due to "Stable financing"

03:01:49 mircea_popescu: decimation if they're going to be a bitch they might as well suck the shorter, better paying cock.

03:02:15 asciilifeform: another factor is that the 'middle kingdom' has yet to invent the modern military golden toilet.

03:02:17 decimation: I don't think the us military would give up hawaii without an actual war

03:02:22 mircea_popescu: o rly ?

03:02:30 mircea_popescu: lose 6 of the 10 aircraft carriers ?

03:02:35 decimation: of course, if they are too poor to pay anyone...

03:02:48 PeterL: it is a strategic navy port

03:02:56 mircea_popescu: and about 50 to 70% of the rest of the fleet ?

03:03:21 mircea_popescu: if they do that russia can simply move into poland. or japan.

03:03:25 decimation: nah, the prc doesn't really have a blue water navy

03:03:27 mircea_popescu: i wonder, which way they;'d go.

03:03:42 mircea_popescu: decimation it has missiles capable of bridging to hawaii just fine.

03:03:46 mircea_popescu: it's kinda close to them

03:03:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would you take jp? and for what ?

03:04:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would not take either.

03:04:15 decimation: I don't think china has the balls to start a missile war with usg

03:04:16 asciilifeform: pl makes a great nuke waste dump

03:04:20 asciilifeform: just like latvia

03:04:24 mircea_popescu: so does japan nowadays :D

03:04:29 asciilifeform: jp is full

03:04:42 mircea_popescu: but that's "why" : let the engineers move to st petersburg.

03:04:51 mircea_popescu: let the social studies experts rot in tokyo

03:05:15 asciilifeform: is jp long on 'experts' ?

03:05:25 mircea_popescu: kind-of.

03:05:30 decimation: now, the problem that usg has is that in 30 years, they might not be able to pay for missiles or soldiers

03:06:03 asciilifeform: decimation: they're working on a smooth transition to straight inca mode

03:06:04 mircea_popescu: decimation if the chinese shock the market (putting obama in the position of putin), they won't have what to pay for limo gasoline with.

03:06:42 *: decimation emits parse error

03:07:14 mircea_popescu: the entire non-"government shutdown" is predicated on rolling debt at 0.2% or less.

03:07:25 mircea_popescu: this can not happen without chinese aquiescence.

03:07:27 decimation: yes indeed

03:07:36 decimation: well, china is actually a fairly small owner of usg debt

03:07:43 mircea_popescu: if the chinese go 8% or fuck you, that's the end of paying. for anything.

03:07:49 mircea_popescu: not a matter of "Debt ceiling" anymore.

03:07:59 mircea_popescu: yes, but it's a fairly major player in the financial markets.

03:08:03 decimation: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/foreign-ownership-us-government-debt-passes-6-trillion

03:08:04 assbot: Foreign Ownership of U.S. Government Debt Passes $6 Trillion | CNS News ... ( http://bit.ly/19aRhUu )

03:08:16 decimation: well, the way all the 'smart

03:08:21 mircea_popescu: does that include the belgium trololol ?

03:08:25 decimation: liberals think now, they would say 'that's not a problem'

03:08:38 asciilifeform: so usg will move to straight command economy.

03:08:40 mircea_popescu: sure, it's not a problem. but there's no paying for anything either.

03:08:44 decimation: the fed will just print more bezzlars and loan them at whatever rate is our choosing

03:08:44 asciilifeform: 'inca empire'

03:08:48 PeterL: at that point they will need to speed up the presses and hyperinflate out of debt

03:08:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it would last for what, 18 months ?

03:09:12 asciilifeform: the incas carried on considerably longer than that...

03:09:48 asciilifeform: will chug on until the conquistadores show up.

03:09:53 decimation: asciilifeform: what does usg have to compel a trade?

03:10:13 mircea_popescu: the incas carried out considerably longer on that principally because they weren't trying to keep carriers afloat.

03:10:16 mircea_popescu: that takes money.

03:10:26 asciilifeform: takes slaves.

03:10:30 asciilifeform: usg - has plenty.

03:10:38 decimation: not to mention keeping old people & minorities in free living

03:10:39 mircea_popescu: only provided they're allowed to roll debt.

03:10:50 asciilifeform: slaves to crew the boat, pull the hydrocarbons out of the ground, everything in between.

03:11:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your model implies i am going to be able to buy off us destroyers.

03:11:16 asciilifeform: eventually

03:11:22 mircea_popescu: within years.

03:11:27 asciilifeform: aha

03:11:32 mircea_popescu: well... not much of a plan is it.

03:12:02 PeterL: what would you do with a destroyer?

03:12:03 *: asciilifeform isn't usg vizier, isn't paid to plan

03:12:10 *: asciilifeform only observes.

03:12:21 mircea_popescu: PeterL i dunno, shoot porn on it.

03:12:33 mircea_popescu: take it to venezuela and bombard the capital.

03:12:35 asciilifeform: it'd make a good slave galley

03:12:37 asciilifeform: fit oars

03:12:42 mircea_popescu: bwahahahaha

03:12:50 mircea_popescu: ok wtf oar fitted aegis class destroyer.

03:12:56 asciilifeform: that's what i always wanted to see

03:13:01 asciilifeform: it doesn't have to actually move

03:13:07 decimation: actually the carriers and the entire dod welfare parade is only about 17% of the total usg spending

03:13:21 asciilifeform: but it would be grand to see old 'movers and shakers' of usg row until the end of their days.

03:13:27 mircea_popescu: decimation but it's about 50% of the spending that actually does something, you see.

03:13:38 decimation: yeah that's about right

03:13:40 mircea_popescu: the other 50% is spent on imaginary things that meet no pactical verification

03:13:42 mircea_popescu: like paper pushing

03:14:06 asciilifeform: if you want to see usg spending, visit the 'potomac' quarter of d.c. area, for example

03:14:08 mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "keeping boat afloat" and "correctly filing form GX-22"

03:14:10 decimation: well, most of that is simply stripping people with money and giving it to 'deserving groups'

03:14:32 decimation: of that 17%, probably only about 10-20% of that is actually 'keeping boat afloat'

03:14:44 asciilifeform: at this point, virtually anyone living like 'upper middle class' and above in usa, is usg spending personified

03:15:02 decimation: asciilifeform: you mean potomac, maryland?

03:15:03 asciilifeform: (how? see tlp article)

03:15:09 asciilifeform: decimation: aha

03:15:32 mircea_popescu: the thing is, a destroyer "cost" a coupla bil, and will sell for what, 10-20k btc.

03:15:40 mircea_popescu: much like the russian leftovers.

03:15:44 asciilifeform: the mega-bezzle isn't simply buying carriers, it's buying countless yachts, mcmansions, etc

03:15:50 decimation: as I recall mike tyson had a mansion there, had real tigers

03:15:59 mircea_popescu: wasn't he bankrupt ?

03:16:03 asciilifeform: paying for hundreds of thousands of imbeciles to attent harvaprinceyaleton

03:16:14 decimation: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2001-04-28/news/0104280333_1_tyson-blaze-fire-officials

03:16:16 assbot: Mike Tyson Potomac Home | Family of boxer Tyson unhurt after fire at Potomac home - Baltimore Sun ... ( http://bit.ly/19aRWp1 )

03:16:29 mircea_popescu: hmm, musta been diff boxer.

03:16:32 mircea_popescu: maybe hollyfield.

03:16:32 asciilifeform: *attend

03:16:46 decimation: asciilifeform: yes but most of those 'usg employees' are not actually on the official payroll

03:17:01 decimation: lobbyists, lawyers, contractors who 'bill' usg for their services

03:17:19 asciilifeform: decimation: virtually none of the real 'winners' are on civil service payroll

03:17:32 asciilifeform: nobody gets rich off civil service salary

03:17:36 asciilifeform: 'consulting' - sure

03:17:44 decimation: ;;ud potomac

03:17:44 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=potomac | The "Darkhorse" of rich American towns, Potomac is, based on per capita income , the richest community in the Country. While it is often believed that Greenwich ...

03:17:47 asciilifeform: 'captaining' pseudo-industries - sure

03:17:58 asciilifeform: ('intellectual property', etc)

03:18:24 decimation: someone has to 'provide' the muscle, buildings, etc in all those third world countries usg mucks with

03:19:27 asciilifeform: cutting straight to the chase - the folks at the management layer of all of these bezzlatrons are kept in mansions, boats, 'hookerz and blow', expensive lawyering, investatron fuel rods, etc.

03:19:38 asciilifeform: -this- is where the usg budget actually goes.

03:19:56 asciilifeform: the actual slurping black hole at the center of usgalaxy.

03:20:22 decimation: yeah, they are closest to the money that spews forth from usg

03:20:33 decimation: everyone else in wash dc is just the help

03:20:52 asciilifeform: the $maxints that simply vanish into the mountain of paper, where a missing $bil in the balance sheets isn't even interesting to the accountants - to the extent the sums represent real, vs. imaginary buying power -

03:20:58 asciilifeform: this is what ends up bought.

03:21:27 decimation: http://www.federalnewsradio.com/697/2012362/SIGIR-Defense-cant-account-for-87-billion

03:21:29 assbot: SIGIR: Defense can't account for $8.7 billion - FederalNewsRadio.com ... ( http://bit.ly/19aSknt )

03:21:53 asciilifeform: ^ items like above are so plentiful that no longer considered newsworthy

03:22:06 mircea_popescu: cazalla: lol @ USGavin pumping satoshi for his dox straight off the bat << funny how that works, in retrospect huh.

03:22:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not the abundance that makes them not news worthy.

03:23:00 mircea_popescu: it's the simple knowledge that the usd is just a scam altcoin anyway.

03:23:14 mircea_popescu: would you / me / qntra / anyone give a shit about how many ether coins were "Stolen" ?

03:23:34 decimation: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/13146-medicaid-fraud-in-the-billions

03:23:37 assbot: Medicaid Fraud in the Billions ... ( http://bit.ly/1EczpC9 )

03:23:54 decimation: "The amount[of medicaid fraud], just in New York, is estimated by Issa’s committee to be in excess of $15 billion, equivalent to $1.9 million per patient per year!"

03:23:59 mircea_popescu: lol issa.

03:24:30 mircea_popescu: decimation clearly if more money were spent on healthcare everything'd be better.

03:24:45 asciilifeform: ^ crank bait

03:25:03 mircea_popescu: "The amount[of medicaid fraud], just in New York, is estimated by Issa?s committee to be in excess of $15 billion, equivalent to $1.9 million per patient per year!" << ahahaha epic.

03:25:06 mircea_popescu: oops

03:25:12 mircea_popescu: assbot: The Lesbian Jewish Leftist Conspiracy Tearing Reddit Apart, Untangled << this i meant.

03:25:22 mircea_popescu: them redheaded

03:25:27 mircea_popescu: them redheaded hussies!

03:25:51 asciilifeform: (either one is meant to conclude that the figure is wildly implausible - or - realize that patients are not walking off with 2m each, and therefore xxx, and xxx is not a subject that can be discussed publicly in usa while retaining credibility in the state media)

03:26:16 mircea_popescu: because crediblity in the state media is desirable now.

03:26:26 asciilifeform: to the folks paid to give a fuck - yes

03:26:52 asciilifeform: the rest of us don't particularly care where the aethereum goes, as mircea_popescu put it

03:27:11 asciilifeform: it is quite obvious at this point, roughly where.

03:27:22 decimation: worrying about the flow of this money is the business of those folks in potomac

03:27:28 mircea_popescu: "Guy exposed a cabal of users taking over reddit yesterday, spawned a watchdog subreddit of 2500 subscribers overnight, was then banned by reddit's admins, all the subreddit's mods then banned, admins won't say why, and now they're handing the subreddit to the corrupt cabal of users who were exposed."

03:27:29 mircea_popescu: awwwww.

03:27:35 asciilifeform: decimation: they don't give a fuck re: the flow of money

03:27:46 asciilifeform: decimation: only the flow of the yachts, hookers, coke

03:27:51 asciilifeform: the money - is a proxy

03:28:12 asciilifeform: if tomorrow these things are not procurable with usd, they will be procured using direct corvee

03:28:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wai wat

03:29:00 decimation: asciilifeform: I'm not so sure about that. the folks you mention are not exactly used to physically compelling people to get what they want

03:29:15 asciilifeform: decimation: not personally

03:29:28 asciilifeform: decimation: but they have an understanding with the specialist guilds.

03:29:56 asciilifeform: decimation: mircea_popescu seems to think that this understanding will unravel if usd tanks, but i don't grasp how

03:30:04 mircea_popescu: ok so dear bitcoin-assets, please advise. I'm sitting here reading http://internet.gawker.com/the-lesbian-jewish-leftist-conspiracy-tearing-reddit-ap-1684788589/+tcberman and wodering : am i completely crazy to think this is related to http://fraudsters.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless

03:30:05 assbot: The Lesbian Jewish Leftist Conspiracy Tearing Reddit Apart, Untangled ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcB1M9 )

03:30:05 assbot: Page not found pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcB4HE )

03:30:05 mircea_popescu: -tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/#footnote_1_59300 ?

03:30:20 *: asciilifeform neither expert nor has access to the proper intel, however

03:30:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but if your corvee theory is correct, why exactly was it that one could buy rusting cccp subs on the open market in 1991 ?

03:30:59 mircea_popescu: why didn't the politburo just corvee it out ?

03:31:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ru folks had something to surrender to

03:31:23 asciilifeform: and they eagerly did.

03:31:32 mircea_popescu: greed ?

03:31:41 asciilifeform: that something didn't arrive with free 'levi' jeans and disneyland passes for everyone, no

03:31:54 asciilifeform: but the illusion was convincing enough

03:31:56 mircea_popescu: the us can surrender to the most serene republic

03:32:00 mircea_popescu: as i have told them to do already.

03:32:02 mircea_popescu: why not ?

03:32:21 mircea_popescu: i would accept fealty from a us puppet president, sure.

03:34:00 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> -tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/#footnote_1_59300 ? << Likely, but possible drama independently agitated

03:34:05 mircea_popescu: mike_c: i blame both of you. thirty lashes. << o.O careful with that, sht hurts.

03:34:12 asciilifeform: surrender of ussr wasn't the least bit centered on the brass

03:34:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what triggered me was the 8chan pic. seeing how

03:34:15 asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu knows this

03:34:16 mircea_popescu: !s 8chan

03:34:17 assbot: 6 results for '8chan' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=8chan

03:34:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it was centered on the aspirational class. as typified by gorby.

03:34:45 BingoBoingo: Ah

03:34:48 asciilifeform: everybody from schoolboy in moscow to chukchas - surrendered

03:34:56 mircea_popescu: sure.

03:35:00 asciilifeform: everybody who drooled over the 'levis'

03:35:07 mircea_popescu: everybody drooled over THE WOT.

03:35:07 asciilifeform: was already surrendered

03:35:11 mircea_popescu: it wasn';t the levy's, not at all.

03:35:15 mircea_popescu: it was belonging. to what ?

03:35:28 mircea_popescu: to "the world"

03:35:30 mircea_popescu: which world ?

03:35:32 asciilifeform: to the 'human' (vs 'orc') world where they 'know how to live'

03:35:39 mircea_popescu: well... certainly no the 1920-1970 continuum

03:35:44 mircea_popescu: right. exactly.

03:35:53 asciilifeform: (a largely imagined animal, you pretty much have to have been there to grok this)

03:35:57 mircea_popescu: EXACTLY

03:36:08 mircea_popescu: so... how is la serenissima not exactly fit ?

03:36:13 asciilifeform: so who and where is drooling over wot ?

03:36:24 mircea_popescu: everyone i know.

03:36:38 asciilifeform: i mean, in the lands of barbarism

03:36:40 mircea_popescu: do the experiment yourself. ask peopel what the ideal world is.

03:36:43 mircea_popescu: notice what they express.

03:36:56 mircea_popescu: how they call it is irrelevant. note what they substantiall say.

03:37:16 asciilifeform: they're drooling over fast car, easy women, etc. - not wot

03:37:19 BingoBoingo: wd mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/02/usd-fraud-collapses-suitability-of-usd-for-law-abiding-citizens-in-commerce-questioned/#comment-10019

03:37:20 assbot: USD Fraud Collapses: Suitability of USD for Law Abiding Citizens In Commerce Questioned | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcCXnP )

03:37:26 mircea_popescu: not that i've seen.

03:38:37 mircea_popescu: for one thing, women are easier than ever. and they're mostly affraid of them. why ?

03:39:07 asciilifeform: because they never learned to safely unscrew the detonator ?

03:39:25 mircea_popescu: mike_c: yeah, cazalla and BingoBoingo are getting it done. < +1

03:39:31 asciilifeform: (in usa they have secondary anti-handling detonators)

03:39:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as far as they see it, because fucktarded politburo is poisonng gender relaitons.

03:39:48 mircea_popescu: this is exactly true, incidentally.

03:40:06 asciilifeform: that it is true is about the same kind of 'secret' as the 'missing $maxint'

03:40:44 mircea_popescu: right.

03:40:55 mircea_popescu: so yes, the reagent is there.

03:41:36 asciilifeform: thing is, unlike soviet 'line', usg does not have a universally (or even widely) subscribed to opposite.

03:41:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10927 @ 0.00042981 = 4.6965 BTC [+]

03:41:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most importantly : note that at the time they surrendered en masse, less than 1% of 1% had BEEN THERE

03:41:53 mircea_popescu: right ?

03:41:57 mircea_popescu: they did it on hearsay. right ?

03:42:02 asciilifeform: yes

03:42:07 decimation: moldbug had a piece on this, then tried to invent some 'tarded 'antiversity' thing

03:42:10 mircea_popescu: the matches are numerous.

03:42:43 asciilifeform: decimation: mr mold had enough brains to understand that his entire edifice falls apart without the answer to this riddle, but was unable to come up with a plausible one

03:42:51 asciilifeform: and instead crapped out - well - that

03:43:08 mircea_popescu: necessity is the mother of invention. and also, stupidity.

03:43:23 asciilifeform: and as far as 'man on the street' in usa is concerned - the opposite of usg is 'mad max'.

03:44:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the "man in the street" in russia STILL has batyushka portraits!

03:44:43 mircea_popescu: it wasn't the man in the street. it was EXACTLY the famished student.

03:44:58 mircea_popescu: the guy who has to choose between "VC shot" and "WoT"

03:45:48 decimation: eh, as long as everyone in the us has a full belly nothing is going to change

03:46:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: how much work to auto-kick join/part sp4mz0rz? << i occasionally do it, but meh.

03:46:19 mircea_popescu: decimation nobody was actually starving in russia in 1988

03:46:33 mircea_popescu: i mean that literally. nobody. more people were starving in new york than in russia.

03:47:20 decimation: yeah that's probably true

03:47:22 mircea_popescu: this was a major propaganda point (soviet propaganda had the unique distinction of actually being mostly true). nobody cared.

03:47:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00042756 = 12.0144 BTC [-] {3}

03:49:14 asciilifeform: nobody... starving in russia in '88 << plenty in '93

03:49:25 asciilifeform: and yet 'omg111!111! levis'

03:50:00 mircea_popescu: right ?

03:50:08 mircea_popescu: so that's not a major driver of the behaviour.

03:50:17 mircea_popescu: also, it was plainly apparent to everyone in 88 that yes, 93 will be starving

03:50:20 mircea_popescu: NOBODY CARED.

03:50:28 mircea_popescu: even the people who could readily realise it'd be them, didn't care.

03:50:36 asciilifeform: took 50+ years of 24/7 massage

03:50:49 mircea_popescu: the romanian folklore has the exact discussion of this behaviour, as folklore.

03:51:02 mircea_popescu: ;;google da-ma mama dupa gyury ca ma tine-n virfu pulii

03:51:03 gribble: No matches found.

03:51:05 mircea_popescu: orly.

03:51:49 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ63C-DLk_Q <

03:51:51 assbot: Da-ma mama dupa Iura - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXNHgE )

03:51:58 asciilifeform: if every male in usa had been secretly wanking to chicom gurlz under his blankets since... 1920s? - then we'd have an analogous thing going

03:54:09 decimation: and in his adult years, secretly reading foreign journals in his sharishka

03:58:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why's chicom come into it ?!

03:58:43 mircea_popescu: decimation well... qntra's getting moar popular :D

04:00:45 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell kermit fix your bouncer

04:00:45 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:00:52 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mandarin fix your bouncer

04:00:53 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:01:54 decimation: lol I didn't know that korolev was a zek

04:04:52 mircea_popescu: incredibly, iirc this is actually mentioned in teh logs.

04:09:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00042701 = 1.217 BTC [-]

04:12:40 decimation: ah yes, indeed. it is good to read old logs again

04:13:22 mircea_popescu: jesus this is hard.

04:14:14 mircea_popescu: for the record it's /mode #bitcoin-assets -b *!*zip55413@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit

04:14:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but for remoras - the swiftest possible discipline. << eh, it's best to fix problems well after rather than well before they're problems.

04:16:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9279 @ 0.00042701 = 3.9622 BTC [-]

04:24:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2015#1015762 << this is lulzy. what it essentially says is, "this court will not protect the defendant's rights"

04:24:29 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2015 15:54:47; asciilifeform: 'Based on the public record, the Court finds that the Plaintiffs have failed to establish a sufficient factual basis to find they have standing to sue under the Fourth Amendment regarding the possible interception of their Internet communications. Further, having reviewed the Government Defendants? classified submissions, the Court finds that the Claim must be dismissed because even if Plaintiffs coul

04:24:44 mircea_popescu: the logical segue is, "well it's a LOT better to publish the stuff on the internet than to submit it to a court"

04:25:00 mircea_popescu: "i bet you mp wouldn't say the USG gets to make classified filings"

04:26:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2015#1015800 << leapfrogs ? :D

04:26:40 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2015 17:34:08; ben_vulpes: i went to sleep mourning the computers my children seem doomed to use.

04:27:45 mircea_popescu: hanbot: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vjzk7/gavin_and_the_cia/ << reddit suppression brigade hard at work. cause keeping the sheep in the dark is a winning strat now. << to get a 45% result you need something like 20 votes cast, 11-9 unless my math's deceiving me.

04:27:46 assbot: Gavin and the CIA : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zNE79Z )

04:27:53 decimation: mircea_popescu: even judges want to feel like they are in the usg wot

04:28:06 mircea_popescu: there's no usg wot tho, is the problem.

04:28:21 asciilifeform: why's chicom come into it ?! << example of empire to surrender to

04:29:20 asciilifeform: there's no usg wot tho << closest thing to a format usg wot may be the infamous 'plum book'

04:30:15 mircea_popescu: russians didn't surrender to iran ffs.

04:30:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00041568 = 18.5393 BTC [-] {4}

04:30:29 mircea_popescu: why would the us surrender to china.

04:30:36 asciilifeform: they surrendered to the one and only mega-empire of the period.

04:30:47 mircea_popescu: no, they surrendered to the best wot to be had at the time.

04:30:51 asciilifeform: that massaged them for surrender for half a century.

04:30:55 mircea_popescu: it wasn't even us per se, it was more west germany than us.

04:30:58 hanbot: <mircea_popescu> to get a 45% result you need to include the phrase "not that there's anything wrong with that" / ftfy

04:31:00 decimation: asciilifeform: but the 'plum book wot' isn't really going to modify what the career bureaucrats think, see moldbug

04:31:09 asciilifeform: reflects, not modifies

04:32:16 mircea_popescu: hanbot lol

04:33:58 asciilifeform: unrelated,

04:34:03 asciilifeform: in case no one noticed,

04:34:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2015#1015730

04:34:19 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2015 15:09:50; asciilifeform: ^ it synced.

04:34:27 mircea_popescu: cool beans.

04:34:58 asciilifeform: tease preview:

04:35:23 asciilifeform: i've a bitcoind monstrous chimera with custom allocator

04:35:43 asciilifeform: but needs a little massage, and am presently mired in actual paying work (tm)

04:36:04 asciilifeform: custom allocator, meaning, actually aware of own footprint

04:36:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55400 @ 0.00041154 = 22.7993 BTC [-] {2}

04:36:39 decimation: asciilifeform: how did you tame layers of c++/boost mempool crud?

04:36:49 asciilifeform: magic.

04:42:55 mircea_popescu: lol

04:43:05 mircea_popescu: looking forward to the list drop.

04:43:23 *: asciilifeform promises to post when ready for playtest

05:00:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00041022 = 5.3739 BTC [-] {3}

05:02:40 asciilifeform: https://archive.org/stream/principlesmrhar00unkngoog#page/n4/mode/2up << early 'open source', lol

05:02:41 assbot: The principles of Mr. Harrison's time-keeper; with plates of the same ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdSiqO )

05:43:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00041541 = 4.5695 BTC [+]

05:50:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00041541 = 4.1333 BTC [+]

06:22:06 BingoBoingo: !up whaack

06:22:11 whaack: ty

06:22:20 whaack: i tried to authenticate through nickserv and says i'm not registered

06:23:48 whaack: anyways I came here to ask if you guys have btc entrepreneurial ideas that you think are good but just don't have time to get around to

06:24:07 whaack: i would love to work in a completely closed btc system, but alas I don't know of any way to acquire bitcoins faster than trading in my fiat for them

06:24:51 BingoBoingo: <whaack> i would love to work in a completely closed btc system, but alas I don't know of any way to acquire bitcoins faster than trading in my fiat for them << Sounds like the answer for the time being

06:26:21 whaack: BingoBoingo: word but I know my business is the result of cheap credit so it hurts a little inside lol

06:26:36 BingoBoingo: You gotta do what you gotta do

06:28:37 whaack: BingoBoingo: Do you have any idea why I wouldn't be able to identify myself through Nickserv?

06:29:15 BingoBoingo: Are you not registered and/or has it been more than a few weeks since you last identified with nickserv?

06:30:52 whaack: it was like 3-5 days

06:31:14 whaack: and i did the steps here http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

06:31:14 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybBQ8x )

06:31:16 BingoBoingo: That's tougher to debug.

06:32:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5775 @ 0.00042135 = 2.4333 BTC [+] {2}

06:34:27 whaack: BingoBoingo: Another question - are there any SF bitcoin startups that you beileve are useful? Like do you believe CB is useful?

06:34:56 BingoBoingo: I've never been that far west

06:34:57 whaack: by SF I mean SF-esque

06:42:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00042318 = 2.8776 BTC [+]

06:44:40 BingoBoingo: Still

06:47:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6383 @ 0.00042318 = 2.7012 BTC [+]

06:47:52 whaack: What version of BTC does everyone here use?

06:48:03 whaack: I heard people talking about like v .5

06:48:24 BingoBoingo: A variety. Probably nothing 0.9 or later

06:48:46 BingoBoingo: whaack: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html

06:48:47 assbot: A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21 ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBgHFD )

06:50:04 whaack: FI don't get the hate on multisgi

06:50:07 whaack: multisig*

06:51:02 BingoBoingo: The assumptions that lead people towards it are problematic

06:51:18 whaack: Can you explain?

06:52:53 BingoBoingo: If you don't trust someone enough to send to them, why are you letting them collaboarate with their buddy? is the simple off target explanation

06:52:58 BingoBoingo: !up whaack

06:53:26 BingoBoingo: I'm deep in the vodka tonight. You may need a better explainador

06:54:02 whaack: I'm deep into my weed it's alright

06:54:30 whaack: I think multisig for that reason is retarded, I thought the main purpose is for personal use to reduce the chance I fuck something up

06:56:11 BingoBoingo: Nah dawg. It's to get other motherfucker's claws into your wallet

06:56:28 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

06:56:31 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 218.32, Best ask: 218.57, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 218.29, 24 hour volume: 9416.10762757, 24 hour low: 217.99, 24 hour high: 223.0, 24 hour vwap: 220.901216254

06:57:48 whaack: Is everyone in this channel dumping their coins on Gavin's big blockchain?

06:58:45 whaack: It seems like something that takes a little bravery other than just holding and seeing which chain wins

06:58:50 BingoBoingo: whaack: hard to say if so and on what timeline.

06:59:24 BingoBoingo: I mean the money shot's spent at the end of the porno flick, but this is live cams. Can't tip when the action ends

07:03:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34594 @ 0.00043005 = 14.8771 BTC [+] {3}

07:10:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00043294 = 16.8414 BTC [+] {3}

07:17:26 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: the thing is, a destroyer "cost" a coupla bil, and will sell for what, 10-20k btc. << Mostly they sit in Norfolk

07:18:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: hmm, musta been diff boxer. << Twas Tyson, USG bankruptcy laws... pretty hard not to use them. It is what got Trump rich

07:33:41 BingoBoingo: !up joecool

07:34:29 joecool: thanks, you know i can do that myself too right?

07:35:06 BingoBoingo: Well, been a while since you did and saw you got into a ratings war earlier

07:35:50 joecool: ah that was just messing with glooboy

07:40:13 joecool: !gettrust BingoBoingo

07:40:14 assbot: Trust relationship from user joecool to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/joecool/BingoBoingo | http://w.b-a.link/user/BingoBoingo

07:56:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8983 @ 0.00042219 = 3.7925 BTC [-]

08:12:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10117 @ 0.00042884 = 4.3386 BTC [+]

08:23:02 punkman: http://qntra.net/2015/02/hsbc-clients-victims-of-probable-social-engineering-attack/ << "Details on how the leak occurred have not been made public" it was public, this guy leaked it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herv%C3%A9_Falciani

08:23:02 assbot: HSBC Clients Victims of Probable Social Engineering Attack | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zO1hNt )

08:23:04 assbot: Hervé Falciani - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zO1hNB )

08:31:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00041401 = 4.2643 BTC [-]

08:35:15 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform: but for remoras - the swiftest possible discipline. << eh, it's best to fix problems well after rather than well before they're problems. << it's a problem now.

08:38:33 fluffypony: mandarin: your internet is broken

08:39:46 ben_vulpes: !s mandarin

08:39:47 assbot: 23 results for 'mandarin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mandarin

08:40:05 ben_vulpes: he or she knows.

08:44:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00041401 = 2.2357 BTC [-]

08:45:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00041401 = 2.7739 BTC [-]

08:47:33 fluffypony: and knowing is half the battle

08:47:34 fluffypony: :-P

09:12:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00041363 = 8.1071 BTC [-] {2}

09:21:14 ben_vulpes: and now skinnkavaj, eh?

09:22:27 ben_vulpes: !up skinnkavaj

09:23:29 skinnkavaj: Anyone know if kakobrekla's trading site offers trading with oil?

09:23:46 skinnkavaj: and what was your question ben_vulpes :)

09:24:45 ben_vulpes: thought you were flappin.

09:24:49 ben_vulpes: !up Vexual

09:24:58 ben_vulpes: hey hey the gangs all here

09:25:12 Vexual: If it doesn't it should

09:25:45 Vexual: Hey bro. How hangs em?

09:26:48 Vexual: What is this fuxking night shift?

09:27:03 ben_vulpes: https://bitbet.us/browse/ << skinnkavaj i'd start there

09:27:04 assbot: Browse BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1KMnVcB )

09:29:01 Vexual: What happens when Belgium drop s Greece and I can't rate punk

09:31:29 ben_vulpes: dunno but i'm off for the night

09:32:43 Vexual: I suppose that the beer gets better generally. And that's about the sum yeah??

09:33:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6389 @ 0.00041858 = 2.6743 BTC [+]

09:33:37 Vexual: Ciao

09:34:55 Vexual: Greek beer is fucking excellent.

09:35:58 Vexual: Twist of orange? Ya couldn't do that anywhere else on earth

09:40:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60650 @ 0.00042678 = 25.8842 BTC [+] {4}

10:18:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43857 @ 0.00043351 = 19.0124 BTC [+] {2}

10:42:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00043454 = 5.0624 BTC [+]

11:02:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00042858 = 3.1501 BTC [-]

11:21:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.0004317 = 3.4104 BTC [+] {2}

11:28:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00043115 = 3.3845 BTC [-] {2}

11:37:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47800 @ 0.00043454 = 20.771 BTC [+]

11:44:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00042615 = 1.2998 BTC [-]

11:46:52 mircea_popescu: eh wtf is this.

11:53:23 mircea_popescu: whaack: I think multisig for that reason is retarded, I thought the main purpose is for personal use to reduce the chance I fuck something up << why do you think your personal measures against fucking something up should be world-readable ?

11:54:11 fluffypony: thanks mircea_popescu

11:54:13 mircea_popescu: if i keep a spare pair of panties in my briefcase in case i shit myself, i do not send a record of their purchase to the new york times, for publication in their news section, nor do i send the unfortunate reports of the occurence for the obit section.

11:54:17 fluffypony: was starting to get on my nerves

11:54:22 mircea_popescu: fluffypony a that. i imagine.

11:54:35 mircea_popescu: wtf ban evasion is this, can be arsed to avoid a ban, can't be arsed to fix bouncer.

11:55:20 mircea_popescu: whaack: It seems like something that takes a little bravery other than just holding and seeing which chain wins << what exact bravery does it take ? you get dollars for it.

11:55:27 mircea_popescu: takes exactly as much bravery as eating cake.

11:56:43 mircea_popescu: whaack: anyways I came here to ask if you guys have btc entrepreneurial ideas that you think are good but just don't have time to get around to << jobs pop up occasionally. you have to read the log to have a chance at them. this is intentional.

11:56:53 mircea_popescu: why am i even talking at this guy anyway.

11:58:06 fluffypony: oh my Pogo Plugs just arrived!

11:59:53 mircea_popescu: o hey cool.

12:04:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00042617 = 4.7731 BTC [+]

12:06:52 mircea_popescu: iiincredible how chrome ate firefox' lunch.

12:11:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3183 @ 0.00042615 = 1.3564 BTC [-]

12:13:44 mircea_popescu: for the record, i've made a complete backup of tlp's site. 702 articles it has.

12:16:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6781 @ 0.00042649 = 2.892 BTC [+] {2}

12:18:42 mircea_popescu: "Except the argument isn't grounded in reality. Saying something vague like "people need these drugs," misses the immediate point: which drugs? On what grounds is it even possible to say that people "need something" that didn't exist until a company created it?"

12:18:45 mircea_popescu: heh heh.

12:19:21 mircea_popescu: "The problem, in part, in this debate arises from scientists confusing discovery or research with invention. Looked at in terms of the production of novel material, certain distinctions can be made. Discovery and research are not creative acts. While they require creative thinking, they do not add anything materially new to the world. Alternatively, invention is the act of creating something that did not exist. There w

12:19:21 mircea_popescu: as no Prozac or Tylenol until someone invented it."

12:19:31 mircea_popescu: but... if it didn't exist... then how was it that "the company" made it ?!

12:20:17 mircea_popescu: was there no gold before mendeleev ? or what, did he invent "eka-aluminium" ?

12:20:30 mircea_popescu: does all gallium belong to mendeleev's estate now ?

12:43:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12919 @ 0.00042651 = 5.5101 BTC [+]

13:24:39 thestringpuller: oh hey, wassup romanian camel guy

13:44:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19385 @ 0.00042915 = 8.3191 BTC [+] {2}

13:50:46 mircea_popescu: !up clyfe

13:52:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00043454 = 9.6902 BTC [+]

14:28:29 chetty: and this is a bloody nightmare: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/11/fcc-commissioner-proposed-internet-regulation-mimics-obamacare/

14:28:29 assbot: FCC Commissioner: Proposed Internet Regulation 'Mimics Obamacare' - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/16XIJ1X )

14:31:09 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/synonymy-is-a-myth/

14:38:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00043556 = 2.6134 BTC [+] {2}

14:41:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.0004358 = 2.4187 BTC [+]

14:54:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00043595 = 6.779 BTC [+] {2}

14:55:09 mircea_popescu: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/11/fcc-commissioner-proposed-internet-regulation-mimics-obamacare/

14:55:10 assbot: FCC Commissioner: Proposed Internet Regulation 'Mimics Obamacare' - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/16XIJ1X )

14:56:14 mircea_popescu: ?adopting a solution that won?t work to a problem that doesn?t exist using legal authority we don?t have,?

14:57:29 mircea_popescu: ?nowhere does the agency identify any kind of systemic harm in the Internet economy, but nonetheless it invents one in order to regulate it, and so it?s this classic situation where we?re adopting a solution that won?t work to a problem that doesn?t exist using legal authority we don?t have.?

14:57:36 mircea_popescu: pill to bitcoin ? burn down the internet!

14:58:10 mircea_popescu: mebbe qntra worthy.

15:03:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00043637 = 1.8546 BTC [+]

15:11:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00042685 = 3.2441 BTC [-]

15:20:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6357 @ 0.00043637 = 2.774 BTC [+]

15:32:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5277 @ 0.00043644 = 2.3031 BTC [+] {2}

15:39:47 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/statistics-still-the-hardest-part-of-math/

16:00:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22450 @ 0.00042581 = 9.5594 BTC [-] {3}

16:11:06 asciilifeform: FCC Commissioner: Proposed Internet Regulation 'Mimics Obamacare' << astroturf and misdirection. regardless of which branch of usg is at the helm (fcc or verizon) - the train will still end up at the same stop: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208

16:11:07 assbot: Loper OS » “The Internet of the Future” ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZsTSk )

16:11:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00042481 = 6.627 BTC [-]

16:16:42 danielpbarron: ;;isitup bitcoin-assets.com

16:16:43 gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.

16:16:48 danielpbarron: ;;isdown bitcoin-assets.com

16:16:48 gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.

16:17:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.0004366 = 7.4004 BTC [+] {2}

16:17:58 danielpbarron: ;;isup bitcoin-assets.com

16:17:59 gribble: bitcoin-assets.com is up

16:21:24 mike_c: ;;isitdown bitcoin-assets.com

16:21:25 gribble: bitcoin-assets.com is up

16:21:49 asciilifeform: works great here

16:22:22 mike_c: ;;seen mthreat

16:22:23 gribble: mthreat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 22 hours, 40 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <mthreat> <+mircea_popescu> ... << yeh but how are we to verify! << I actually got pics of me holding up the blockchain iPhone app transaction, in front of the Port Lockroy building with a sign visible!

16:23:05 danielpbarron: very strange; i can ping it from my irc machine, and not from my laptop

16:23:28 mircea_popescu: is your laptop on the fccinternet ?

16:24:51 asciilifeform: l0l

16:26:09 *: danielpbarron checks for black vans outside

16:36:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20399 @ 0.00042385 = 8.6461 BTC [-] {2}

16:58:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00043734 = 6.6913 BTC [+] {3}

17:22:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6335 @ 0.00043663 = 2.7661 BTC [-]

17:30:56 ben_vulpes: and now thestringpuller's flapping...

17:44:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00043663 = 5.2614 BTC [-]

17:48:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5560 @ 0.00043766 = 2.4334 BTC [+]

17:54:51 mthreat: mike_c: i'm here

17:55:15 mike_c: hello! have you seen the recent revival of the stemming argument.

17:55:23 mthreat: no

17:55:54 mike_c: the argument is basically that stemming is making it harder to find things on search.b-a, not easier

17:56:21 mthreat: ok. i can turn it off easily, (and back on later if we want).

17:56:34 mike_c: that would be great.

17:57:06 mike_c: i think no-stemming, but having prefix-wildcards should satisfy everyone

17:59:28 mthreat: ok, will be ready in a few minutes with stemming off. prefix wildcards are always on.

17:59:39 mike_c: awesome. thanks.

17:59:41 mthreat: np

18:17:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00043766 = 2.2758 BTC [+]

18:31:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00043663 = 4.3881 BTC [-]

18:32:24 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/12/fuckin-diddle-her-twat/

18:32:25 assbot: Fuckin’ diddle her twat. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KOzsbo )

18:36:45 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

18:36:46 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.15, Best ask: 222.21, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 222.15, 24 hour volume: 6238.07681239, 24 hour low: 217.99, 24 hour high: 222.99, 24 hour vwap: 220.711036885

18:38:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9445 @ 0.00043899 = 4.1463 BTC [+] {2}

18:39:25 pete_dushenski: !up thestringpuller_

18:39:45 thestringpuller_: I got ddosed :(

18:39:59 pete_dushenski: cloak went down ?

18:40:05 thestringpuller_: yea during netsplit

18:40:27 thestringpuller_: no other explanation for internet go down, and it's more than circumstantial that internet went down shortly after cloak went down

18:41:07 mike_c: asciilifeform: stemming is off search.b-a. give it a whirl sometime.

18:42:08 thestringpuller_: don't seem to get ddosed from freenode tho

18:42:24 thestringpuller_: from freenode webchat***

18:42:50 mike_c: maybe the regex isn't too good

18:43:58 jurov: ^ why i never relied on cloak

18:44:20 thestringpuller_: jurov: what method do you use?

18:44:20 thestringpuller_: for ddos mitigation

18:44:41 jurov: micro vps behind aws firewall

18:45:07 thestringpuller_: I'll give that a shot when Amazon approves my fucking Amazon payments account.

18:45:31 jurov: AWS is different entity from amazon warehouse

18:46:08 thestringpuller_: they prefer to use Amazon Payments for billing tho for that

18:46:20 jurov: i never noticed

18:46:27 jurov: use normal debit card

18:46:28 thestringpuller_: oh

18:46:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9254 @ 0.00043663 = 4.0406 BTC [-]

18:46:41 thestringpuller_: Yea I don't have debit cards.

18:46:47 thestringpuller_: I pay for everything with cash in hand.

18:47:01 jurov: ah so. also, unlike amazon store aws needs your dox.

18:47:12 thestringpuller_: Yea

18:47:15 thestringpuller_: all that stuff

18:47:21 thestringpuller_: "ARE U TERRORIST?"

18:47:55 jurov: i have no problems spinning off instances for wot members, can do it for you

18:48:24 jurov: they have pretty comprehensive access rights system to safely allow it

18:49:02 thestringpuller_: won't they fine you for giving resources to someone who is not "in the system" lol

18:49:10 thestringpuller_: aka "You can't buy bitcoins with cash because children and stuffs"

18:49:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00043926 = 10.2787 BTC [+]

18:50:01 jurov: how will they know? many shartups resell aws right and left, too

18:52:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2372 @ 0.0008137 = 1.9301 BTC [-] {22}

18:53:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7627 @ 0.00077322 = 5.8973 BTC [-] {27}

18:58:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20382 @ 0.00043926 = 8.953 BTC [+]

19:04:21 pete_dushenski: so apparently paris is going right off the deep end with its "anti-pollution" nonsense

19:04:39 pete_dushenski: as of july 2015, no cars built before 1997 will be permitted in the city centre

19:05:15 pete_dushenski: by 2020, diesels made after 2011 won't be allowed in

19:05:47 pete_dushenski: all this to try to "stimulate" the economy and "encourage" people to take transit

19:06:17 pete_dushenski: i'm all for walkable cities, but taking some and not all cars off the road strikes of lunacy

19:07:02 pete_dushenski: peugeot, citroen, renault probably think this'll help them

19:07:15 pete_dushenski: like some sekrit bailout that no one has to know about

19:09:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10565 @ 0.00043405 = 4.5857 BTC [-] {3}

19:10:06 pete_dushenski: though this rule is only in effect from 8am to 8pm daily

19:10:09 pete_dushenski: source: http://fr.reuters.com/article/topNews/idFRKBN0LD19920150209

19:10:10 assbot: Le plan anti-pollution de la maire de Paris adopté | À la Une | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1yrhOSk )

19:11:36 pete_dushenski: do we have anyone other than davout from france here ?

19:11:46 pete_dushenski: i seem to recall one other at least...

19:14:51 mike_c: he left cuz we're a cult.

19:15:31 pete_dushenski: lol o that's right

19:15:31 jurov: ;;sell 1 "AWS VPS servers" at 1 BTC "Prepaid for at least one month. AWS price * 1.25 / BitstampUSD. Any other related expenses (like bandwidth) charged extra at same rate. Must abide AWS ToS and react properly to any abuse notices."

19:15:32 gribble: Order id 22002 created.

19:15:43 jurov: ha. hustle must go on.

19:15:59 pete_dushenski: i pushed panks over the edge, didn't i

19:16:05 pete_dushenski: "France’s Total plans to cut 2,000 jobs, sell assets after big loss in oil markets"

19:16:22 pete_dushenski: ^not going to be helped by moar efficiency

19:16:31 mircea_popescu: heh

19:16:43 pete_dushenski: but hey, iatrogenics are on purpose sometimes!

19:17:51 mircea_popescu: i have no words to describe how derpy argentines are.

19:18:24 pete_dushenski: cut them some slack eh

19:18:31 pete_dushenski: when was their last king ?

19:18:48 mircea_popescu: <mthreat> np << o hey, how's the south pole ?

19:20:16 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski basically what i see is a cargo cult generation. if you've ever seen monty python's twit of the year sketch that's basiclaly the idea.

19:20:29 mircea_popescu: their grandparents were pretty cool. their parents rather mediocre. now they're fucked in the head.

19:20:50 mircea_popescu: they kinda get a very superficial formal thing about granpa, but otherwise the head dun work.

19:21:06 mircea_popescu: argentina is set for a much more major collapse than anyone seems to realise.

19:22:19 pete_dushenski: hm. not sure that anyone is giving the 'tines much in the way of odds these days

19:22:39 pete_dushenski: other than thumbing their nose at teh american judges, they don't seem to be thriving

19:22:47 pete_dushenski: but hey, these days, who is ?

19:23:12 mircea_popescu: france :D

19:23:20 pete_dushenski: lol!

19:23:41 pete_dushenski: mebbe that's why kakkes left.

19:24:12 mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a great place, but the people are inept to a degree that can not even be put into words. doesn't even look like a year's famine would be enough, more biblical measures required, 30 years in the desert, stuff like that.

19:25:14 pete_dushenski: the weather will do that

19:25:43 pete_dushenski: see northern mediterraneans

19:26:29 *: pete_dushenski having a laugh watching "twit of the year"

19:27:43 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i'm all for banning cars.

19:27:46 ben_vulpes: horrid invention.

19:27:54 mircea_popescu: "no cars in town" is not a bad idea.

19:27:56 ben_vulpes: especially in the mass production everyone having one.

19:28:04 ben_vulpes: they're brutal on the roads.

19:28:19 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: that's like saying "the car is a horrid invention because i don't like windoze"

19:28:22 ben_vulpes: roads themselves aren't expensive, nor the maintenance thereof but rather the wear and tear from 2-ton tardboxes

19:28:27 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski right. those twits ? their dad was nobody, some anon derp with, as orwell put it, "Well-meaning, over-civilized men, in dark suits and black felt hats, with neatly rolled umbrellas crooked over the left forearm, were imposing their constipated view of life"

19:28:27 pete_dushenski: s/car/computer

19:28:36 mircea_popescu: but the grandfather was you know, "peccavi"

19:29:18 mircea_popescu: General Sir Charles James Napier, GCB

19:29:21 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: well i exaggerate for btclulz. clearly *you* are deserving of your mercs and what have you, but the state of every pleb in their own plastic wheelbox has got to go.

19:29:46 ben_vulpes: and yes, the "computer" as a modern invention (from the c machine on forwards to the consumer laptop) is an entirely awful fork in the technological roadmap.

19:30:01 ben_vulpes: see previous thread about "wake me when compute costs 1btc/hr".

19:30:08 pete_dushenski: well i'm hardly going to disagree that everyone getting something "just as good" makes the whole lot of us worse off

19:31:05 mircea_popescu: soo... slavedrawn mercs ?

19:31:07 pete_dushenski: no cars in town is a perfectly sensible idea in most parts of the world

19:31:44 pete_dushenski: lol well the thing drinks like 30L/100km so that's a lot of (indirect) slave labour from the oil sands up north

19:31:47 ben_vulpes: for all that it's a communist paradise, portland does get this right. lots of super annoying stop lights on major thoroughfares throughout the east side.

19:32:08 ben_vulpes: east side being mostly residential, mostly small streets.

19:32:10 pete_dushenski: iirc there was a german city that was going to all-out ban cars in the city centre

19:32:16 pete_dushenski: a sizeable city it was

19:32:45 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's the wrong approach imo.

19:32:51 mircea_popescu: like the fucking speed bumps.

19:32:51 pete_dushenski: as to whether this works in the populated arctic... i dunno

19:33:06 mircea_popescu: i don't need to be jostled just because sopme other fuckhead can't drive at his speed.

19:36:33 pete_dushenski: ah, it was hamburg

19:36:54 pete_dushenski: and it aims to be car-free in the city centre... by 2034

19:37:51 pete_dushenski: which is reasonable given that in 20 years the serene republic will own it as a summer resort ;)

19:38:09 mircea_popescu: except this is a naked problem of power. i would be ok with a "no cars" town in which i personally can drive if i feel like.

19:38:24 mircea_popescu: i will not be ok with a "no cars" town in which the fucking mayor/police/you get to drive if you feel like

19:38:32 mircea_popescu: and by "not ok" i mean i will fucking shoot you over it.

19:38:38 mircea_popescu: this being a bit of a problem, practically.

19:39:30 pete_dushenski: well imagine that there will be "no car" rules in most major cities in 20 years

19:39:46 mircea_popescu: in the sense of "no cars for you"

19:39:56 pete_dushenski: and that #b-a badges and #b-a plates will roam the streets freely

19:40:03 mircea_popescu: which yes, it has to happen, because most "major cities" are inhabited by... twits.

19:40:50 pete_dushenski: because no city mayor/police/etc can very well stand in the way of the leaders of the free world

19:41:37 mircea_popescu: "Marching gets our message out." No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out. "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet." Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and...

19:41:42 mircea_popescu: this tlp guy... i love him.

19:53:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00043926 = 5.952 BTC [+]

20:14:40 mthreat: <+mircea_popescu> o hey, how's the south pole ? << well technically we only got to just past 60 degrees south latitude, but it was cool. Lots of penguins, whales, killer whales, seals, ice, and mountains. And retirees, on the boat.

20:14:58 mircea_popescu: lol

20:15:06 mircea_popescu: you made it on everyone;s bucket list boat.

20:15:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19423 @ 0.00042634 = 8.2808 BTC [-] {2}

20:16:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37677 @ 0.00041373 = 15.5881 BTC [-] {3}

20:18:26 ben_vulpes: but did you you know *make it* in the bucket list boat?

20:27:53 mircea_popescu: innit kinda cold '?

20:35:17 mthreat: lowest temp was about -1 C. It's summer in antarctica.

20:35:33 mthreat: wind is a factor sometimes. highest wind we saw was 60 mph

20:41:24 mircea_popescu: ah

20:48:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00043051 = 2.1526 BTC [+]

20:54:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00043736 = 13.5582 BTC [+] {4}

21:07:36 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/stevejennings1/status/558577556749037569/photo/1 << dear pankkake, we're a culture, not a cult!

21:07:37 assbot: Culture or cult? by /davegray Cc /goonth /petervan /jhagel /TomLaForge /umairh /shelleykuipers /katrynadow /gringreen http://t.co/BmNccK0s6h

21:10:01 mircea_popescu: the difference is negligible.

21:10:49 punkman: all I see is cornholes

21:12:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15120 @ 0.00042956 = 6.4949 BTC [-]

21:14:56 punkman: https://twitter.com/timkmak/status/565595253319938049/photo/1

21:14:58 assbot: **Putin arrives at airport, gets in line at customs** Customs officer: "Occupation?" Putin: "No, just visiting!" http://t.co/KRn6iYRkkm

21:27:15 cazalla: you guys and your city living

21:32:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00041673 = 5.6675 BTC [-]

21:40:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00041271 = 6.3351 BTC [-] {2}

21:49:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16931 @ 0.00041127 = 6.9632 BTC [-] {3}

21:57:35 cazalla: !up thestringpuller

21:57:56 thestringpuller: thx cazalla

21:58:13 thestringpuller: how is assets today?

21:58:34 PeterL: quite quiet

21:59:01 thestringpuller: i got ddosed I think. AT&T claimed it was a power surge on their DNS server rack but that didn't make sense

21:59:22 thestringpuller: i hit a netsplit and the second my ip was showing the router started showing a lot of traffic

22:00:23 PeterL: why does freenode show ip addresses anyway?

22:02:03 fluffypony: why do any IRC servers show IP addresses

22:02:09 fluffypony: like it's frikkin 1996

22:03:25 PeterL: seems hard to believe this is the first time somebody used irc ip addresses to target attacks?

22:03:56 mircea_popescu: PeterL because the last tiem anyone thought about this it was 1996, and the next time anyone wil lthink about this it will be to systemdize it

22:04:13 mircea_popescu: this is the first time powerful people were involved in irc, since also 1996.

22:08:22 BingoBoingo: Tried building some stock versions of bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD last night. Here's the tail end of the compiler output where the errors spring forth from: http://dpaste.com/2RDXRT1

22:08:23 assbot: dpaste: 2RDXRT1 ... ( http://bit.ly/16ZY1CZ )

22:09:29 BingoBoingo: Build fine for a while, hit's a brick wall on protocol.cpp

22:11:01 BingoBoingo: ^ Particular instance there was stock 0.5.3

22:11:45 danielpbarron: http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg07020.html "As such, the blockchain can never support All The Transactions, even

22:11:46 assbot: Re: [Bitcoin-development] replace-by-fee v0.10.0rc4 ... ( http://bit.ly/16ZZ99H )

22:11:50 danielpbarron: if block size increases beyond 20MB."

22:11:54 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

22:11:58 ascii_field: danke BingoBoingo

22:12:18 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: if you want to build on bsd, set the ifdefs as if for mac

22:12:33 BingoBoingo: ascii danke

22:13:17 BingoBoingo: Digging through old porting efforts I get the feeling some linux settings use linux only functions in a pulse audio manner

22:15:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7975 @ 0.00041068 = 3.2752 BTC [-] {2}

22:17:07 thestringpuller: ugh pulse audio needs to die

22:19:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5157 @ 0.0004104 = 2.1164 BTC [-]

22:21:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10190 @ 0.00040904 = 4.1681 BTC [-] {2}

22:26:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 200 @ 0.00540625 = 1.0813 BTC [-] {8}

22:28:20 PeterL: !up thestringpuller

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22:33:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11536 @ 0.00041993 = 4.8443 BTC [+] {3}

22:42:30 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

22:44:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18253 @ 0.00043174 = 7.8806 BTC [+]

22:48:32 thestringpuller: thanks PeterL

22:56:21 mod6: BingoBoingo: you trying to v0.5.3 on BSD?

22:56:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24789 @ 0.00043756 = 10.8467 BTC [+] {3}

23:02:42 mod6: !up thestringpuller

23:03:47 BingoBoingo: mod6: I'm trying to Bitcoin-qt on BSD. Waiting until night when it's colder so I can compile in the garage so I have more thermal headroom. Unlike the linux I'd been using OpenBSD respects this machine's temperature sensors.

23:04:45 mod6: ah, well anyway, i'm pretty close to having v0.5.3.1 building on freebsd

23:05:22 ascii_field: ditto netbsd

23:05:27 mod6: (having a linking problem related to this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.6.1/src/util.cpp#L14)

23:05:29 assbot: bitcoin/util.cpp at v0.6.1 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1voFlTE )

23:05:44 BingoBoingo: I'm at the firing in anger stage of quitting linux, so moving the tools I use to OpenBSD.

23:05:59 mod6: but im using boost 1.55, and i think i need to be using 1.42 which is horribru to get working so far.

23:06:07 mod6: anyway, with protocol.cpp:

23:06:09 mod6: add:

23:07:23 mod6: #include <netinet/in.h>

23:07:23 mod6: #include <sys/socket.h>

23:07:41 mod6: at least, that's what I had do to do.

23:08:46 mod6: *had to do

23:11:03 danielpbarron: haha BingoBoingo i have a fan that i clip under my laptop to cool during compiles

23:11:08 thestringpuller: ugh boost is annoying to get working if you don't have the exact version

23:11:26 PeterL: what does boost do?

23:11:34 thestringpuller: It's a C++ extension library

23:11:40 thestringpuller: to add things like threads and other random bullshit

23:11:57 BingoBoingo: It exists because the CPP standard library sucks

23:11:58 thestringpuller: It would be amazing if mod6 and ben_vulpes could rip it out of the code completely

23:11:58 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

23:12:00 PeterL: those are not available in c++?

23:12:22 thestringpuller: no they aren't

23:12:49 thestringpuller: you have to build it yourself or use another library

23:13:01 thestringpuller: and as BingoBoingo just said, CPP standard lib is terrible

23:13:14 thestringpuller: its like libc done wrong ~_~

23:13:18 PeterL: then why do so many people use it?

23:13:34 BingoBoingo: PeterL: Because it is what they get paid to use

23:14:16 thestringpuller: don't think satoshi had a sense of smell for code or would have known he was building bricks from excrement

23:14:44 PeterL: what would you want to build in if you had a choice?

23:15:12 thestringpuller: i would build everything in assembly

23:15:14 thestringpuller: jk

23:24:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00043159 = 1.7048 BTC [-]

23:36:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00042107 = 10.0215 BTC [-] {2}

23:37:58 mircea_popescu: !up hegemoOn

23:38:24 hegemoOn: thank you

23:39:34 mircea_popescu: sure.

23:39:38 mircea_popescu: !up blz

23:45:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00042519 = 1.1055 BTC [+]

23:59:15 danielpbarron: https://www.haiku-os.org/about/faq#top_4 "Haiku is not a Linux distribution, nor does it use the Linux kernel." << is this worth looking into? I don't know much about it.

23:59:16 assbot: General FAQ | Haiku Project ... ( http://bit.ly/17pw1de )