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00:03:42 jurov: BingoBoingo: would it be interesting for qntra how czech financial cops investigated bitcash.cz "theft"?

00:04:29 BingoBoingo: jurov: Sure

00:20:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43800 @ 0.00035202 = 15.4185 BTC [+]

00:20:52 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/0f0cffa45644dd67ee622259992191ab/tumblr_n1h3x5MeFW1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg to go with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__HPfmvaWRw

00:20:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B6bctz )

00:20:55 assbot: Kid Rock - Redneck Paradise (Remix) ft. Hank Williams Jr. [Music Video] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1B6bbG1 )

00:23:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 110 @ 0.01460363 = 1.6064 BTC [+] {2}

00:24:25 mircea_popescu: (pete will no doubt notice that ALL THE VEHICLES ARE MERCEDES_

00:29:57 decimation: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150310/15522730277/california-proposes-bill-to-ban-all-unlicensed-bitcoin-businesses-without-even-defining-what-that-means.shtml < lol

00:29:59 assbot: California Proposes Bill To Ban All Unlicensed Bitcoin Businesses, Without Even Defining What That Means | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1B6cqFd )

00:30:33 decimation: banks, gov't, etc are 'exempt' of course

00:34:43 trinque: decimation: eh more like "one member of the california legislature proposes"

00:34:56 trinque: still pretty fucked

00:35:00 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

00:35:01 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 296.71, Best ask: 296.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 296.89, 24 hour volume: 25417.80268383, 24 hour low: 291.0, 24 hour high: 298.75, 24 hour vwap: None

00:53:57 BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch

00:54:01 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Jurov: http://qntra.net/2015/03/czech-ministry-fingers-heist-suspect/

00:54:06 mircea_popescu: decimation lol

00:54:29 mircea_popescu: kinda goes a long way to show the unmitigated contempt california holds for... well, basically, you.

00:58:20 mircea_popescu: wait, by now gribble does bitfinex only ? lol.

01:01:13 jurov: ;;ticker --market all

01:01:27 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 295.0, vol: 6849.16021121 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 293.469, vol: 11302.18543 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 295.89, vol: 25132.70245094 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 295.403478, vol: 162128.90550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 296.93748, vol: 36.80919596 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 294.4287, vol: 95.69692435 | Volume-weighted last average: 295.34297304

01:01:41 jurov: dunno how it chooses, by volume?

01:02:17 mircea_popescu: amusingly, btcchina has what, 70-80% of all volume

01:08:58 BingoBoingo: !up stunna

01:09:30 *: BingoBoingo surprised no one's commenting on Jurov being in line for his own s.qntr shares

01:11:15 mircea_popescu: i thought it was pretty cool.

01:12:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60650 @ 0.00034511 = 20.9309 BTC [-] {2}

01:15:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45978 @ 0.00035287 = 16.2243 BTC [+] {2}

01:16:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21922 @ 0.00035338 = 7.7468 BTC [+]

01:21:36 decimation: re: the unmitigated contempt california holds for... well, basically, you. < yes, this is noted. every day reveals a bit more of its true self, if only in its fantasies

01:21:56 asciilifeform: xerxes whips the sea, snore.

01:21:59 decimation: related: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/march/11/the-intellectual-as-servant-of-the-state/

01:22:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed29f4 )

01:22:16 decimation: ^ author of the above was in army, had a son in the army, son died in iraq

01:22:32 asciilifeform: decimation: https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/TreasonV3.HTM << related

01:22:34 assbot: Treason of the Intellectuals, Volume 3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed2e2r )

01:22:36 decimation: he is now on a krazy korner railing against usg

01:22:53 decimation: yet he has given his life and his own son in service of usg, and accomplished nothing

01:23:10 decimation: reminds me of that tlp piece about hating the system so much you want it to like you

01:23:21 asciilifeform: and of course, the obligatory lenin, 'intellectual is not his nation's head, but its arse'

01:23:29 asciilifeform: (TM)

01:23:36 mircea_popescu: ahaha treason of the intellectuals verbiage, srlsy ?!

01:23:38 decimation: heh yeah that is related

01:23:45 mircea_popescu: dude, la revolucion is so fucking banal. always the same moves.

01:25:02 mircea_popescu: decimation this is the so called stupid wife paradox. it goes like this : when she's young she thumbs her nose at submission, because hey, she's not "that kind of girl". so she finds a husband instead, spends two-three decades discovering that it's a rotten deal, then gets to live with teh regret.

01:25:09 mircea_popescu: youth wasted on the young and all that.

01:25:38 decimation: mircea_popescu: of course the french philosophes pretty much founded the 'revolutionary intellectual' archetype

01:26:03 mircea_popescu: depends how you count the greek sophist.

01:26:18 mircea_popescu: or the byzantine byzantine. or the medieval courtier.

01:26:34 mircea_popescu: look into the abomination of "courtly love" to see 1100ad shitgnomism en fleur.

01:27:06 decimation: yeah, but the french revolution is a clean presentation of the modern 'revolutionary intellectual' and the consequences if he gains power

01:27:37 mircea_popescu: certainly more amply documented in "not dead" languages.

01:27:59 decimation: heh yeah

01:28:13 asciilifeform: hey folks still speak occitan and languadoc

01:28:16 asciilifeform: *languedoc

01:28:31 decimation: plus the history of the french revolution is still shrouded by those who have a stake in its outcome

01:28:42 asciilifeform: obligatory deng xiaoping here...

01:28:46 mircea_popescu: hence the scare quotes

01:29:09 mircea_popescu: heck, folks still speak greek. and it's certainly more mutually intelligible with classical greek than current english with high english.

01:29:17 asciilifeform: irrc it was him who was asked 'was fr. rev. a good idea?' answered 'too early to say'

01:29:18 decimation: or low german

01:29:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you like living fossilization, visit iceland

01:29:42 decimation: english arose because some retarded vikings living in the netherlands couldn't speak german

01:29:51 asciilifeform: more or less bug-for-bug compatibility with classical norse

01:29:57 mircea_popescu: decimation plattdeustch is still spoken, like idish

01:30:17 decimation: yeah, germany still hasn't steamrolled all of its accents

01:30:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not - there are idish newspapers in usa.

01:30:30 mircea_popescu: i used to know a guy publishing one

01:30:34 mircea_popescu: meanwhile dead, bu anyway

01:31:20 mircea_popescu: but anyway, anyone guess what "hron rade" denotes, in "english" ?

01:32:03 decimation: honarary?

01:32:19 decimation: heh honorary

01:32:28 mircea_popescu: (i'll help by pointing out that alf's device in discussing xerxes is structurally similar but stylistically very indicative of the changes in society since then)

01:33:30 asciilifeform: hey what can i do in barbaric tongue

01:33:32 mircea_popescu: anyway : "the sea" is the hellespont (which is what xerxes ordered flogged) in the same way hron (whale's) rade (road) is the sea.

01:33:46 mircea_popescu: one's categorical symbolization, the other's a kenning.

01:34:07 decimation: kenning as in kennelernen?

01:34:12 asciilifeform: everyone who likes kennings, straight to norse book, 'do not pass go, do not collect 200'

01:34:16 mircea_popescu: as in this poetic device

01:34:26 mircea_popescu: ;;google kenning site:fraudsters.com

01:34:27 gribble: Decembrie 2010 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2010/12; Trilenciclopedia pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/trilenciclopedia/

01:34:43 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/kenning-si-rhyming-slang/ ere we go.

01:34:44 assbot: Kenning si rhyming slang pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed3Glu )

01:34:50 asciilifeform: http://kip-w.livejournal.com/215011.html << absolutely obligatory re: kennings

01:34:51 assbot: Varnish Error 503 Service Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed3GSk )

01:34:55 asciilifeform: mega-classic

01:35:08 mircea_popescu: btw, anyone know how cockney got to be called that ?

01:35:18 decimation: kennenlernen means 'familiarity' in german

01:35:27 mircea_popescu: decimation learning by similarity something

01:35:34 decimation: wasn't there a certain church bell

01:35:40 mircea_popescu: nope.

01:36:07 mircea_popescu: the story is, that a london redditard (poor kid from periphery) visited some peasant family once

01:36:33 mircea_popescu: which was impressive to him, because a) they had food and b) good living conditions (as compared to shitlondon of the time)

01:36:40 mircea_popescu: but especially c) all sorts of weird exotic shit.

01:37:03 mircea_popescu: so one time when a horse neighed, he got all scared. but the farmer told him to relax, horse just does that, it's called neighing and it never killed anyone.

01:37:21 mircea_popescu: time for bed, and in the early morning a very morose londoner sat with his breakfast.

01:37:27 mircea_popescu: "s'thematter, couldn't sleep any ?"

01:37:37 mircea_popescu: "holy shit all these cocks neighing!"

01:37:49 decimation: heh

01:37:53 asciilifeform: 'Down came good Freya, frowning at F?fu. / Said she to the warren-born: "No worth I find / In your smiting of cheese-thieves. Smirk not, but obey me...'

01:38:03 asciilifeform: ^ mega-k3nn1ngz

01:38:16 mircea_popescu: cats ?

01:38:34 asciilifeform: (from earlier link)

01:39:10 decimation: yeah it's the same root https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kennen#German "From Old High German kennan, from Proto-Germanic *kannijaną (“to know”). Cognate to English ken (“knowledge, understanding”)."

01:39:12 assbot: kennen - Wiktionary ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed4dUq )

01:40:21 mircea_popescu: it is.

01:41:08 mircea_popescu: btw, re "useful idiots", anyone actually read Mona Charen ?

01:41:14 asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.'

01:41:22 asciilifeform: engl. has 'ken'

01:41:39 asciilifeform: or perhaps not quite modern engl. but hey whatddayawant

01:42:00 decimation: I want an original "PIE" dictionary

01:43:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25778 @ 0.00035313 = 9.103 BTC [-] {2}

01:44:42 asciilifeform: http://www.fromoldbooks.org/Farmer-MusaPedestris/bing-out-bien-morts.html << but also from twain 'prince&pauper'

01:44:43 assbot: Bing Out, Bien Morts (Canting Songs) ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3cocm )

01:44:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15554 @ 0.00035398 = 5.5058 BTC [+]

01:45:12 asciilifeform: (i don't know anyone who didn't first run into it in p&p)

01:47:19 mircea_popescu: "In Western democracies, even in the U.S. where the hostility to regulation is greatest, there is a vast amount of central decision-making, but day to day decisions are left to market forces. A lot of the regulation - everything from bolt threads to type fonts - is carried out by tens of thousands of standardization agreements worked out by the industries involved. The solutions that arise aren't always optimal, but th

01:47:19 mircea_popescu: ey usually end up being workable. After two decades of fumbling, we have settled on a de facto standard for computer operating systems. It has imperfections - some serious - but it generally works. Imagine being saddled with a computer architecture defined by some central planning committee in 1983. At about that time, someone in the U.S. Government realized with horror that all the standardization agreements mentioned

01:47:19 mircea_popescu: above were being made and enforced with no government oversight. So the Government convened some hearings. The unanimous consensus, even by Ralph Nader, was that attempting to regulate this process was an invitation to chaos. "

01:47:33 mircea_popescu: lawl. this guy misread so much of recent history i'm giving up on reading it.

01:49:29 asciilifeform: phun phakt: usg really did come out with a 'standard' cpu!

01:49:33 asciilifeform: around same time as ada '83

01:49:43 asciilifeform: the only present-day manufacturers are chinese

01:50:04 asciilifeform: (and are also the only, afaik, remaining users...)

01:50:22 asciilifeform: 'mil-std-1750a' for the curious.

01:50:36 mircea_popescu: yup

01:51:06 asciilifeform: so dead, was snipped from gcc

01:53:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6273 @ 0.00034181 = 2.1442 BTC [-]

02:01:58 mod6: so i made some additional changes to the modified pogo script. anyone wanna help me test quick? I tested it myself, but it'd be cool if someone else can verify.

02:02:35 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/03/blythe-masters-to-head-wall-street-invasion/

02:03:30 mod6: what's changed? 1) added some checks to see if boost,bdb,openssl are already built, if so, skip re-downloading & building 2) added a 'clean' command line parameter so you don't have to do this manually

02:03:34 mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=A07gdeGX

02:03:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed76Va )

02:03:57 asciilifeform: mod6: neato. incidentally that's what, traditionally, 'make' is for

02:04:06 *: asciilifeform was simply too lazy to write a proper 'makefile'

02:04:30 mod6: yup, it just simply utilizes the makefile. but this way a person only has to run `auto.sh`

02:04:38 mod6: :]

02:04:55 asciilifeform: 'make' simply doesn't react well to being called from 'make'.

02:05:04 asciilifeform: (why? because retarded, don't ask me)

02:05:18 asciilifeform: that's why my orig. thing was a .sh

02:05:48 mod6: yeah, makefiles are touchy

02:06:29 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i'm rather surprised it took them so long to hook up the goldpricedumpatron to btc

02:07:00 asciilifeform: though it's kinda a sad joke

02:07:38 asciilifeform: (compare 'physical settlement' in btc to gold, etc)

02:08:24 mircea_popescu: "hook" is being generous.

02:09:42 decimation: asciilifeform: if make is so terrible, why is it ubiquitous?

02:10:15 decimation: it's not like it 'fits into the cpu' like C does

02:10:27 mod6: so if you have a linux machine, and you want to help test, read this: http://dpaste.com/17V9VKB

02:10:28 assbot: dpaste: 17V9VKB ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3eHft )

02:11:11 decimation: mod6: you could have enumerated in octal and saved a few characters :)

02:12:16 mod6: fair. ;)

02:12:36 asciilifeform: decimation: there are plenty of 'crackpot' alternatives ('cmake', 'bake', .... 1001 others) but guess what

02:13:10 decimation: I kinda like scons

02:13:17 decimation: shitgnomery?

02:15:19 mircea_popescu: decimation no. jwzery. this attitude whereby one's excused from political involvement.

02:15:33 mircea_popescu: "so what if make sucks, not like i have the responsibility to find and support an improvement. i just type here."

02:16:58 mircea_popescu: "so the wife's a nag ? doesn't mean i /have to/ beat her until she desists. build mancave instead." on it goes. politicians are idiots ? self-appoint as "better than this" and that's that, work done. not like you have to shoot the bad politico if you can't vote him out. what, /have to/ ?!

02:17:13 mircea_popescu: not the right sort of morals, these, that are actionable. gotta have some of a more theoretical sort.

02:17:45 danielpbarron: mod6, http://danielpbarron.com/mod6.txt

02:17:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3ffCe )

02:18:49 mod6: huh.

02:18:54 mod6: thanks for testing

02:19:04 mod6: ima invite you to #btcf

02:19:33 mircea_popescu: o.O

02:19:35 mircea_popescu: sikrits!~

02:19:56 mod6: we'll keep the noise outta here, unless you want ... NOISE :)

02:20:03 decimation: i want the noise

02:20:17 mircea_popescu: up to you. i dun think it's yet unwelcome.

02:20:30 decimation: mircea_popescu: it's common in the us for a usg employee to regard himself as 'apolitical' because he wasn't elected

02:20:44 mircea_popescu: well sure.

02:21:06 mircea_popescu: what's it change tho. it's common for rapists to regard themselves as "good fathers" and so forth, because she was asking for it or w/e.

02:21:08 mod6: ok... so. lets see here. i do think that ascii updated his key since then...

02:21:27 mod6: but i don't ever get that error... although, someone else has seen it before iirc.

02:21:30 asciilifeform: same modulus!

02:21:32 decimation: mod6: i'm running into a bad sig error too

02:21:42 decimation: virgin gpg db

02:21:55 danielpbarron: oh i just realized that the script potentially uses a different key than the one i have stored

02:23:20 mod6: it /shouldnt/ matter because it puts a .gnupg dir in the place where you run the script from. we didn't want it to diddle with your normal keyring in ~/

02:23:31 mod6: unless you ran it from ~/

02:23:49 mircea_popescu: ;;ud cuckcake

02:23:50 gribble: http://el.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuckcake | Η λέξηcuckcake δεν έχει οριστεί. Μπορείς να την ορίσεις;. * Meaning. Τυχαία Λέξη. Μόδα. duff · bae · fuck boy · bdsm · cleveland steamer · dirty sanchez · angry ...

02:23:51 mod6: did you guys make new dirs to build this stuff in?

02:24:01 mircea_popescu: heh

02:24:28 danielpbarron: yes

02:25:06 mod6: what does `gpg --version` say?

02:25:26 decimation: I'm using 2.0.14 (comes with centos 6)

02:26:25 danielpbarron: gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.26

02:26:25 mod6: hmm, still, should be ok. i just re-ran on my side and got: >> Signature verified for bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig

02:26:43 mod6: one sec.

02:26:58 decimation: :signature packet: algo 1, keyid B98228A001ABFFC7

02:28:22 mod6: what's weird to me... is that the log output that danielpbarron pasted, it says "good signature"

02:28:38 danielpbarron: i checked it manually

02:28:41 mod6: OH

02:29:23 decimation: Importing public keys to .gnupg keyring...

02:29:25 decimation: Verifing patch signatures..

02:29:26 decimation: Error! Possible bad signature on:

02:29:28 decimation: ~/bitcoin-v009/build/chicken/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig

02:29:31 asciilifeform: wat

02:29:34 mod6: oh that wasn't from the log output. ok. i wonder why it would puke for you guys, but not for me... although, im running 1.4.10

02:29:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70849 @ 0.00035393 = 25.0756 BTC [+]

02:29:55 decimation: asciilifeform: try it on your gentoo box

02:30:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24823 @ 0.00035394 = 8.7859 BTC [+] {2}

02:31:20 mircea_popescu: you know it's be so great if someone made a client that auto-pastebinned

02:31:22 mod6: i suppose it could be some weird regex failure... although, what danielpbarron pasted as a manual verify should have matched this:

02:31:30 mod6: 313 if($_ =~ /^.*Good signature.*$/) {

02:31:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93636 @ 0.00036156 = 33.855 BTC [+] {6}

02:31:48 asciilifeform: b.sh: line 2: $'\r': command not found

02:31:50 asciilifeform: and buncha similar.

02:32:08 decimation: I get a buncha errors in the gpg_import.log

02:32:19 mod6: can you post those decimation?

02:32:29 mod6: asciilifeform: what script was that?

02:32:35 asciilifeform: the one in question

02:32:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226241 @ 0.00036729 = 83.0961 BTC [+] {2}

02:32:48 mod6: the perl script?

02:32:52 asciilifeform: sh

02:33:05 decimation: http://dpaste.com/2141VBQ

02:33:06 assbot: dpaste: 2141VBQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3gCk8 )

02:33:17 asciilifeform: does not run at all on my box

02:33:19 mod6: oh we're all discussing them pulling down the patch files, verifing the patch sigs and patching the base code

02:33:28 mod6: (build-v009.pl)

02:33:31 asciilifeform: i mean, my 'sh' won't swallow it.

02:33:33 trinque: that it's $HOME maybe?

02:33:40 trinque: gpg is fouling up not finding the keyring

02:33:43 asciilifeform: Ah

02:33:50 decimation: it's a little weird to use $HOME that isn't $HOME

02:33:50 asciilifeform: there's fucking winblows garbage in this thing

02:33:51 asciilifeform: WTF

02:34:10 mod6: decimation: fair. i'll change that next time through.

02:34:11 asciilifeform: did 'pastebin' crap that in ?

02:34:26 asciilifeform: there's CR LF's in there

02:34:40 decimation: lol in my dpaste?

02:34:42 *: asciilifeform pronounced fatwa on 'pastebin'

02:34:48 mod6: root@debian-test:/home/mod6/build-test-3# xxd build-v009.pl | grep "0d0a"

02:34:50 asciilifeform: in http://dpaste.com/2141VBQ

02:34:51 assbot: dpaste: 2141VBQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3gCk8 )

02:34:51 mod6: root@debian-test:/home/mod6/build-test-3#

02:34:54 mod6: yeah, must be pastebin :/

02:34:55 mod6: sorry

02:35:06 asciilifeform: dos2unix fixes.

02:35:16 asciilifeform: but let all remember.

02:35:31 decimation: asciilifeform: everything feels free to mangle a passing cr I guess

02:35:41 mod6: i use pastebin more often because it does forever-pastes .. guess.. i just have to set dpaste for a year

02:35:42 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901052 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901055

02:35:42 assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:19; asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people

02:35:42 assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits

02:35:59 trinque: ^LOL

02:36:00 mod6: :]

02:36:03 decimation: ^also randomly insert chars

02:36:43 asciilifeform: so far the deps are grinding

02:37:10 mod6: decimation: huh, just looked at that error. must be something with 2.x version i'll have to fix0r.

02:37:22 mod6: can you change expiry on that guy for like 1 year?

02:37:29 decimation: yeah obviously some kind of permission problem

02:37:32 decimation: for the dpaste?

02:37:35 mod6: plz

02:37:47 decimation: done

02:38:15 mircea_popescu: !up p15

02:38:29 mod6: if you run it again and you don't have $FULL_CLEAN set to "TRUE", you'll need to delete ~/build/.gnupg manually.

02:39:03 mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform pronounced fatwa on 'pastebin' << kakobrekla said we're supposed to use dpaste.

02:39:09 mod6: ugh. anyway, i was hoping this would be the /easy/ part and we could actually test the part that needs testing lol.

02:39:20 asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=A07gdeGX << and i meant this

02:39:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BymQRE )

02:39:23 asciilifeform: not the output

02:39:32 asciilifeform: but that was probably clear.

02:39:51 asciilifeform: betcha 'dpaste' takes a fat shit in there all the same

02:40:02 asciilifeform: but somebody test if want to

02:40:34 asciilifeform: it's building 'openssl' on my box now. and probably will for a few hrs, it's a slow box

02:41:36 decimation: mod6: I set $FULL_CLEAN to "FALSE" and it didn't do anything different

02:41:48 decimation: I blew away build/.gnupg

02:41:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71419 @ 0.00036213 = 25.863 BTC [-] {3}

02:41:50 mod6: here's that same script in dpaste: http://dpaste.com/36249E3

02:41:51 assbot: dpaste: 36249E3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3hQft )

02:42:12 mod6: decimation: ok. that's fine. not sure what it's deal is.

02:42:25 mod6: thanks for giving it a shot.

02:42:30 decimation: no problem

02:42:50 decimation: it's probably a good idea to get it working on centos6 because that's pretty much the 'amazon linux' shit

02:43:11 mod6: eh, all around it's not much of an issue with the perl script, because no one will run that ever anyway.

02:43:40 mod6: i'll use it to patch the source code, then i'll bundle up the release.

02:44:32 mod6: everyone will start with an already patched codebase, unless they want to patch it manually or wrestle with one of the 2 scripts we have for this purpose

02:45:04 mod6: it seems, everyone has a mixed bag so it's hard to account for all of that i think.

02:45:19 decimation: yeah cross-platform is a pain in the ass

02:47:13 mod6: asciilifeform: this is the correct key to pull for you right?

02:47:14 mod6: http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB98228A001ABFFC7

02:47:14 assbot: Public Key Server -- Get "0xb98228a001abffc7 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3iedJ )

02:49:45 mod6: decimation: anyway, it totally works fine for me on my aws machine.

02:50:34 mod6: oh, i guess im running a deb6 ami up there.

02:50:40 decimation: lemme try

02:50:45 mod6: and yeah, im using gpg 1.4.10 there too

02:51:21 mod6: so centos6 might have issues if gpg 2.x, so maybe i just need to get my head out of my ass and add some code for that.

02:56:02 decimation: yeah ec2 uses gpg 2.0.25

02:56:13 trinque: mod6: I got through the patching script fine on latest gentoo

02:56:38 trinque: what shell is supposed to be running the next one

02:58:15 mod6: it's a bourne shell script /bin/sh

02:58:25 trinque: my sh does not have -xu

02:58:33 trinque: I think in debian sh is dash, maybe?

02:58:41 mod6: ahh, just take off those params then. it doesn't need 'em i don't think.

02:58:46 trinque: k

02:58:53 mod6: ben addded those, not exactly sure what they do. lol.

02:59:11 *: trinque strokes the cargo

02:59:55 mod6: thanks for testing trinque

03:00:08 asciilifeform: still cranking 'boost'

03:00:28 mod6: ahh, ok cool.

03:00:35 mod6: did you get through the perl script ok alf?

03:00:50 asciilifeform: wai wat

03:00:56 asciilifeform: is that in the sh somewhere

03:01:32 trinque: mod6: no problem, chugging along in the build

03:01:43 mod6: no, the perl script is a separate thing that grabs the v0.5.3 base code and then patches it. then `auto.sh' pulls bdb,openssl,and boost and builds 'em and then builds the static bitcoind

03:02:30 mod6: for all: keep in mind if you're not running the test on a x64 machine, you'll probably have to edit the vars on lines 4, 6 & 8

03:02:48 asciilifeform: neh it is

03:04:17 decimation: interesting, it seems that it works just fine on amazon linux

03:04:23 decimation: so it's not a gpg2 thing

03:05:02 mod6: ok so your amazon linux is running gpg v 1.4.10?

03:05:12 decimation: no 2.0.25

03:05:29 asciilifeform: built deps, croaked on not finding bitcoin src

03:05:33 danielpbarron: oh uh.. i'm not running on a x64 machine (if that means bits in processor)

03:05:34 asciilifeform: why are these separate scripts again ?

03:05:57 mod6: danielpbarron: yeah, that'll be a problem. what os/arch are you on?

03:07:19 mod6: asciilifeform: because how we'll roll out the release: 1) I'll patch the source myself and put it in a 'bitcoin' directory 2) i'll place the 'auto.sh' in the same parent directory as 'bitcoin' directory 3) tar those up 4) end user will unpack archive and execute `auto.sh'

03:07:46 danielpbarron: gentoo i386

03:08:04 mod6: so in the end the downloading/patching of the v0.5.3 base code won't be necessary since it'll already be complete.

03:08:49 mod6: danielpbarron: ok, change line 4 to: "32", line 6 to: "x86_32" and line 8 to: "linux-x86_32"

03:08:56 mod6: and cross fingers

03:09:12 mod6: i've never tested this on 32bit so this is a first.

03:09:19 mod6: in fact.

03:09:19 trinque: decimation: did you try changing that home var to something else?

03:09:23 decimation: yes

03:09:24 trinque: I search and replaced mine with BUILD_DIR

03:09:35 trinque: so as not to mask $HOME

03:10:06 decimation: I'll try that

03:10:14 danielpbarron: of what, auto.sh ? I hadn't even gotten that far yet

03:10:18 mod6: while you're at it danielpbarron comment out line 130 of "auto.sh" so I can have you run one other command if you get through the static build.

03:10:26 mod6: (130 = "strip" command)

03:10:39 mod6: sorry, yes.

03:10:42 *: mod6 is slow.

03:11:28 decimation: trinque: no that didn't work

03:11:34 danielpbarron: no sorry i'm just distracted by the 3d gun guy trying to impress me on twitter

03:11:36 mod6: at the end of the static build there are 2 ugly warnings, but they're just warnings. so no worries.

03:11:43 mod6: heheh.

03:11:48 mod6: np, thanks for your help.

03:14:04 decimation: it might be that the umask on the amazon box is group writable, but isn't on my centos6 obx

03:14:30 mod6: hmm. noted. thanks decimation

03:16:38 danielpbarron: fwiw, I got 50 USD worth of link clicks pointing at this -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042514

03:16:38 assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 04:00:14; asciilifeform: to round off the electrobullet thread, i made this gedankenexperiment up for this just to show what folks like wilson -would- be doing if they were serious

03:16:49 decimation: ok I fixed it

03:16:52 decimation: http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2001-April/008269.html

03:16:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8Z2HE )

03:17:11 decimation: you need to add --lock-never to make it work, because I am using a shitty vm-mounted filesystem that doesn't support hardlinks

03:17:13 asciilifeform: what means '50 usd worth' ? that it cost you that much bandwidth ?

03:17:18 asciilifeform: danielpbarron ^

03:17:36 decimation: (add it to your gpg command line in the script)

03:17:42 mod6: decimation: nice find!

03:17:42 danielpbarron: idk, twitter makes up the number; that's what it would have cost me to promote it myself (if not for wilson himself actually replying to it and getting it free attention)

03:18:05 asciilifeform: link? or was it boring

03:18:16 decimation: see if that's backwards compatible to gpg v1

03:18:28 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/575817719272071168 << pretty lulzy

03:18:30 assbot: “Cody Wilson Wants to Destroy Your World” by /ajzaleski https://t.co/kUTv9jyJJA

03:19:21 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: mega-snore

03:20:07 asciilifeform: it's a 'you. -- no, you. -- no, you. ... ... ...'

03:20:53 *: asciilifeform naively thought that wilson would have actually replied to the linked thing

03:21:24 danielpbarron: nobody every "actually replies" to stuff on social media

03:22:14 *: asciilifeform not sufficient zoologist to say if this or not

03:22:42 decimation: it seems that the telegraphers circa 1880 had better technology for sharing information

03:23:27 decimation: ok my centos6 box appears to lack 'realpath'

03:23:33 asciilifeform: neh just better people

03:26:13 mod6: ok, here's version v0.0.9.1 (seems to work with --lock--never added to lines 279 & 305 on v1): http://dpaste.com/2WRMSD7

03:26:14 assbot: dpaste: 2WRMSD7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8ZZzu )

03:26:32 mod6: also removed $HOME for $BUILD_DIR

03:27:57 mod6: s/--lock--never/--lock-never/

03:30:54 decimation: ok that kinda works, except it deletes all the sources except bitcoin

03:31:30 mod6: oh crap, lol, i didn't change the $BUILD_DIR back to "CHANGEME" derp

03:31:51 decimation: yeah I saw that heh

03:32:02 mod6: yeah, that's its default behavior. if you don't want it to delete the stuff, just change $FULL_CLEAN to "FALSE"

03:32:29 danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/mod6.txt << output of auto.sh (with your modifications for 32)

03:32:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1C90ABg )

03:32:30 decimation: ok that works

03:32:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75900 @ 0.00036841 = 27.9623 BTC [+] {3}

03:33:13 mod6: ok here it is again. sorry: http://dpaste.com/2MB8HVF

03:33:15 assbot: dpaste: 2MB8HVF ... ( http://bit.ly/1C90ERu )

03:33:21 *: mod6 looks at danielpbarron's paste

03:33:23 decimation: sigh, no package realpath is available

03:34:01 mod6: yeah, that's required from the original pogo script.

03:34:15 mod6: there's a realpath bin you can install iirc

03:34:32 mod6: danielpbarron: try editing the script and getting rid of the -xu thing after /bin/sh

03:35:17 mod6: im glad we're all trying this now.

03:36:18 danielpbarron: bash: ./auto.sh: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory

03:36:36 mod6: one sec, i'll get you a new one. pastebin fucked us.

03:36:40 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049562

03:36:40 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 02:33:50; asciilifeform: there's fucking winblows garbage in this thing

03:36:41 decimation: ok yes that last dpaste works for me

03:37:07 decimation: danielpbarron: windows adds an extra character to the end of each line

03:37:10 decimation: because it sucks

03:37:38 danielpbarron: why can't i see these extra characters; vi on openbsd would show them

03:37:48 mod6: http://dpaste.com/3656FHF.txt

03:37:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18doWfE )

03:38:19 decimation: donno. emacs with whitespace mode shows them

03:38:23 mod6: yeah, pastebin sticks on CRLF's... like a derp

03:38:34 mod6: so ... i guess perhaps we try with dpaste and see.

03:39:09 danielpbarron: same problem

03:39:17 asciilifeform: dos2unix

03:39:21 mod6: i don't even own or use a M$ machine, so it has to be the paste sites.

03:39:27 decimation: try > dox2unix auto.sh

03:41:55 decimation: mod6: on centos6 you can use /bin/readlink -f to substitute for 'realpath'

03:42:09 mod6: ah! ok good to know.

03:44:44 danielpbarron: :e ++ff=unix

03:44:48 danielpbarron: ^ that fixed it in vim

03:45:05 mod6: yeah, that works too. cool

03:46:44 danielpbarron: ok it's compiling

03:46:56 danielpbarron: i commented out that line you told me to

03:49:04 mod6: thanks, that's good. i'll have you do a `cd bitcoin/src ; readelf --dynamic bitcoind` when its complete.

03:49:16 mod6: i haven't compiled on a 32bit system yet so this is a great test.

03:53:33 decimation: the 'installing docs' step is really slow

03:53:52 decimation: it's downloading the boost tarball

03:53:54 decimation: sucks

03:55:48 mod6: yeah, it's like 60mb or something.

03:56:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.00037148 = 23.4404 BTC [+] {2}

04:12:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00036428 = 5.2638 BTC [-]

04:15:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00035449 = 14.924 BTC [-]

04:17:18 decimation: stupid redhat doesn't supply zlib-static by default

04:17:27 asciilifeform: you don't need zlib!!!

04:17:29 asciilifeform: in bitcoin.

04:17:34 asciilifeform: it isn't used anywhere.

04:17:35 decimation: it wants to link

04:17:44 asciilifeform: nix it in the bitcoind make

04:17:49 asciilifeform: as shown in my old instructions.

04:17:54 decimation: also -l dl

04:17:55 asciilifeform: it doesn't ever get used.

04:18:14 decimation: does it dynamically load code?

04:18:18 decimation: why does it need libdl

04:18:24 asciilifeform: damned if i know. kill it.

04:18:54 asciilifeform: (winblows version may have used that)

04:19:41 BingoBoingo: !up jitenm

04:19:55 decimation: nano redhat calls static pthread pthread_nonshared.a

04:21:28 mod6: hrm. ok, i'm gonna try building without -l dl and -l z

04:21:32 danielpbarron: mod6, http://danielpbarron.com/mod6.txt << got an error :<

04:21:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYdWV )

04:22:13 mod6: ok thanks danielpbarron.

04:23:32 mod6: i'll have to figure out what needs to be different in the 32 bit version.

04:24:31 decimation: ok I got it to compile on centos6 but I had to add the following to the end of the linking command line: -static-libgcc -Wl,-Bstatic -l pthread_nonshared -Wl,-Bdynamic -l m -l dl

04:24:49 decimation: apparently centos doesn't come with a static libdl or libm

04:25:00 danielpbarron: it might be the thing i ran into last time i tried this

04:25:00 asciilifeform: why dl again

04:25:06 asciilifeform: zap it & say what dies

04:25:09 decimation: it puked without it

04:25:13 danielpbarron: i had to change "make install" to "make install_sw"

04:25:17 asciilifeform: let's see the puke

04:25:18 mod6: i wanna say that i ran into that as well.

04:25:32 mod6: cant recall for sure though

04:25:39 mod6: i'll know in a minute.

04:25:39 decimation: /build/ourlibs/lib/libcrypto.a(dso_dlfcn.o): In function `dlfcn_globallookup': dso_dlfcn.c:(.text+0x31): undefined reference to `dlopen'

04:25:49 mod6: ah yeah that

04:25:55 asciilifeform: wawhat

04:26:05 asciilifeform: is that in openssl ?

04:26:08 decimation: why is ssl linking to dl

04:26:12 asciilifeform: !

04:26:35 danielpbarron: i just changed it and it gave same error, but maybe because I didn't start from scratch

04:26:55 mod6: danielpbarron: i think you have some other issues going on probably.

04:27:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.015 = 1.05 BTC [+]

04:28:34 decimation: asciilifeform: whatever you thought you knew about openssl is truer than you thnk

04:28:36 danielpbarron: oh wait, i want to be compiling this for arm don't I?

04:29:52 asciilifeform: which openssl this was again?

04:30:17 decimation: the label says 1.0.1g

04:30:41 asciilifeform: aahahaahaha.

04:30:45 mod6: danielpbarron: oh you're running this on ARM? this won't build on arm probably.

04:30:45 asciilifeform: https://www.openssl.org/docs/crypto/OPENSSL_config.html

04:30:46 assbot: OPENSSL_config, OPENSSL_no_config - simple OpenSSL configuration functions ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYJEd )

04:30:50 asciilifeform: achtung shitgnomologists!

04:31:10 asciilifeform: even if you like static builds, openssl slips dynamic code loading up your arse when you're not looking.

04:31:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, anyone else who gives a damn ^^^^

04:31:41 decimation: asciilifeform: does this really dynamically load crypto from disk at runtime?

04:31:51 asciilifeform: https://www.openssl.org/docs/crypto/engine.html << moar

04:31:52 assbot: engine - ENGINE cryptographic module support ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYLvT )

04:32:02 decimation: who would ever think that is a good idea?

04:32:08 asciilifeform: decimation: ahaha, guess who

04:32:24 decimation: imma gonna load me critical pathways from a random .txt

04:32:28 asciilifeform: see fellas, when i said, 'hey hey ho ho openssl has got to go'

04:32:29 asciilifeform: i meant it

04:32:35 asciilifeform: and what's more, For Reasons

04:33:07 decimation: the paragraphs starts with "There are several reasons why calling the OpenSSL configuration routines is advisable."

04:33:12 decimation: and then fails to name a single reason

04:34:10 mod6: here's my output from no "-l dl" and no "-l z" in the makefile: http://dpaste.com/0YYYWEJ

04:34:11 assbot: dpaste: 0YYYWEJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYXeM )

04:34:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu wants a provably-correct replacement. can't disagree, but i personally probably won't get around to it until after the war.

04:34:21 asciilifeform: all you lot, i suggest, learn ada/spark.

04:34:24 mod6: <+asciilifeform> see fellas, when i said, 'hey hey ho ho openssl has got to go' << I'm with you .

04:34:32 decimation: mod6: yeah that's the same error

04:34:45 decimation: at any rate, you can probably cut n paste the parts of openssl you need

04:34:49 decimation: gonna take longer though

04:34:52 asciilifeform: decimation: nope

04:34:54 mod6: at some future point, we'll get the crypto libs built in directtly.

04:34:54 asciilifeform: try it

04:34:57 asciilifeform: it's a spittoon

04:35:00 asciilifeform: !s spittoon

04:35:01 assbot: 16 results for 'spittoon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spittoon

04:35:09 decimation: asciilifeform: for reasons...

04:35:46 decimation: is there a 'configure' arg you can pass to get rid of the -ldl stupidity

04:36:13 decimation: yeah

04:36:14 decimation: no-dso

04:36:19 mod6: ok if i re-add back in "-l dl" into the makefile, then I get this:

04:36:20 asciilifeform: worth a try

04:36:54 mod6: http://dpaste.com/319C632

04:36:55 assbot: dpaste: 319C632 ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZ7ml )

04:36:59 asciilifeform: see, i missed all of this because did not even suspect this level of shitgnomery

04:37:09 decimation: how did you get yours working asciilifeform?

04:37:16 mod6: which works, because those are just warnings. it does output a bitcoind in the bitcoin/src dir

04:37:31 decimation: mod6: try modding the openssl 'configure' stuff to use 'no-dso'

04:37:47 asciilifeform: decimation: i don't think i noticed/touched this knob

04:38:03 asciilifeform: this is why it helps to have >1 of us pay attention

04:38:04 mod6: here's a full shot: http://dpaste.com/06NAYCD

04:38:05 assbot: dpaste: 06NAYCD ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZ8Xl )

04:38:48 asciilifeform: i suggest fixing by using a pre-heartbleed openssl

04:39:03 asciilifeform: if anyone has any reason why this is a bad idea, please suggest it

04:39:36 mod6: pre-heart bleed? like 0.9.8o or whatever?

04:39:59 asciilifeform: pre-1.0.1 iirc

04:40:04 decimation: not that heartbleed really matters for our purposes

04:40:18 decimation: or have we not snipped the rpc stuff yet

04:40:26 asciilifeform: it doesn't, if the https-snipper patch was merged.

04:40:27 mod6: well, it was 0.9.8o that was giving us the issues with the tx in the 168`001 block

04:40:34 asciilifeform: rpc is still in

04:40:48 asciilifeform: but i personally ripped out https

04:41:13 asciilifeform: mod6: did anyone ever fully crack the conundrum ?

04:41:19 decimation: yeah if you are commanding bitcoind on an untrusted network you are fucktarded

04:41:36 mod6: no, not yet. i've been focused on just getting a release out.

04:42:03 asciilifeform: could find boojum therein, one wholly worth the effort

04:42:15 mod6: yeah certainly.

04:42:18 danielpbarron: mod6> danielpbarron: oh you're running this on ARM? this won't build on arm probably. << ahh you called it the "modified pogo script" which gave me the wrong impression.. but I understand what you meant now

04:42:38 mod6: ahh, my bad. sorry I didn't clairify

04:42:50 mod6: decimation: so no-dso gets passed to the openssl build?

04:43:00 decimation: yeah you put it on the Config arg line

04:43:14 mod6: ok, sweet, i'll give that a try now.

04:44:18 *: asciilifeform still suspects that: 168001 was a stealthfork

04:44:26 mod6: building...

04:44:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64750 @ 0.00035793 = 23.176 BTC [+]

04:45:02 mod6: asciilifeform: it is certainly /strange/ that this problem occurs right after the last checkpoint in our version.

04:45:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00037275 = 8.3496 BTC [+]

04:50:13 decimation: ok I have to dynamically link -l m and now it works without -l dl

04:50:24 decimation: at least, it starts

04:50:47 mod6: alright gents, i added 'no-dso' to the openssl configure and removed "- dl" from the makefile, and it compiled just fine:

04:50:50 mod6: http://dpaste.com/1HYJCGS

04:50:51 assbot: dpaste: 1HYJCGS ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZMnQ )

04:50:53 decimation: me too

04:51:07 mod6: you had to add in

04:51:10 decimation: except for the dynamic -l m and pthread_nonshared

04:51:12 mod6: "-l m" ?

04:51:17 decimation: yep

04:51:24 decimation: it must be a redhat-ism

04:51:43 mod6: ah. ok.

04:51:53 mod6: well, that's good to know i guess in case of RH

04:53:25 mod6: so i'll re-submit that makefile patch and what will be v0.0.5 of the mod'd pogo script (with 'no-dso')

04:53:34 asciilifeform: neato

04:53:42 asciilifeform: builds, but does it run ?

04:53:49 decimation: ok you have to install glib-static on redhat

04:53:50 mod6: that bitcoind does run and start pulling blocks btw too

04:53:58 asciilifeform: aha!

04:54:08 asciilifeform: so this, then, is the new state of the art.

04:54:26 decimation: yes, 'strip out all the static libs 'cause it saves space'

04:55:35 mod6: http://dpaste.com/0RFHH3E

04:55:37 assbot: dpaste: 0RFHH3E ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZZHA )

04:56:25 mod6: i'll do some more sync testing once I get the changes we found tonight resubmitted to the mailing list.

04:56:38 mod6: this was highly productive tonight; I thank you all who helped!

04:56:46 decimation: no problem, good night

04:57:26 mod6: still have a moutain of work ahead, but we're on a good track.

04:57:30 decimation: ok so the only remaining redhatism is to strip out the 'realpath' thing and add '-l pthread_nonshared to the makefile

04:57:31 mod6: you too. many thanks.

04:58:48 mod6: decimation: i think, in interest of time.. perhaps (with your help/testing) we'll post a patch for the makefile & the auto.sh post release.

04:59:10 mod6: or at least once we have a "freeze"

04:59:36 mod6: then going forward, we'll add in more conditions into these things to account for various platforms/configurations

05:01:06 danielpbarron: and removed "- dl" from the makefile << where is this?

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05:05:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93794 @ 0.00035276 = 33.0868 BTC [-] {3}

05:09:22 mod6: danielpbarron: it would have been like line 34

05:09:22 mod6: i think 33 was "-l w"

05:09:22 mod6: im getting laaaaaged

05:09:47 mats: http://www.gamedev.net/topic/666419-what-are-your-opinions-on-dx12vulkanmantle/#entry5215019

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05:15:44 asciilifeform: qntra ddos ?

05:16:39 asciilifeform: somebody has cache ?

05:17:26 asciilifeform: also ddoslurkbot is back.

05:18:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91553 @ 0.00035063 = 32.1012 BTC [-]

05:19:15 Adlai: since lds has refused to comment, wouldn't a better title be "Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Allegedly Purchased At USMS Auction Alleged" ?

05:19:56 Adlai: asciilifeform: works for me just fine

05:20:02 asciilifeform: loads now aha

05:20:43 cazalla: it's working fine here

05:23:49 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 42.55120426 BTC. Current weight: 96,640.

05:34:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.0003631 = 18.0098 BTC [+] {2}

05:37:58 BingoBoingo: !up wangxinxi

05:38:08 wangxinxi: Thanks BingoBoingo

05:57:18 mircea_popescu: <mod6> decimation: anyway, it totally works fine for me on my aws machine. << hehehe

05:58:30 mircea_popescu: !up mollison

05:59:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049677 << wut ?!

05:59:41 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 03:16:38; danielpbarron: fwiw, I got 50 USD worth of link clicks pointing at this -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042514

06:02:22 mircea_popescu: mod6: im glad we're all trying this now. << kinda the advantage of doing stuff here.

06:04:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049802 << i fail to be surprised.

06:04:41 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:31:10; asciilifeform: even if you like static builds, openssl slips dynamic code loading up your arse when you're not looking.

06:04:48 mircea_popescu: also gotta upgrade to latest version

06:04:49 mircea_popescu: etc.

06:06:29 mircea_popescu: decimation: the paragraphs starts with "There are several reasons why calling the OpenSSL configuration routines is advisable." and then fails to name a single reason << the actual reasons are not the point, the statement that "there are reasons" is the point. fashion, no substance. you wanna be with the in crowd, don't you ? be hip, upgrade. there are reasons.

06:07:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049846 << iirc heartbled was replacement orifice.

06:07:41 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:39:03; asciilifeform: if anyone has any reason why this is a bad idea, please suggest it

06:07:48 mircea_popescu: there's no clean openssl post ~2002.

06:08:01 mircea_popescu: i don't see anyone using 1999 version.

06:08:43 mircea_popescu: 0.9.4 and such bs.

06:10:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049910 << no ?

06:10:54 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 05:15:44; asciilifeform: qntra ddos ?

06:11:21 Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042552 << /methinks the civilians doth play too much vidya

06:11:21 assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 04:19:56; decimation: asciilifeform: it's not even clear that having full auto ar-15's would be much of an advantage at all

06:11:39 mircea_popescu: fraudsters's been getting a shitton of traffic past week, maybe you got it on a blink.

06:12:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049914 << just about lol.

06:12:58 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 05:19:15; Adlai: since lds has refused to comment, wouldn't a better title be "Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Allegedly Purchased At USMS Auction Alleged" ?

06:13:18 Adlai: there are so few situations where it's remotely helpful to have an assault rifle in full auto, afaict the risk of accidentally using full auto in any other situation make it "wasach" but nothing more

06:13:53 Adlai: "wasach" = army slang, from arabic 'weight' - ie, extra weight which doesn't help you, but you carry it around to look tough

06:14:17 mircea_popescu: those situations being providing cover

06:14:30 mircea_popescu: they're not that few, if you're actually fighting. as opposed to what regular armies regularly do.

06:14:37 fluffypony: http://kukuruku.co/hub/diy/usb-killer

06:14:39 assbot: USB Killer ... ( http://bit.ly/1C7RXFK )

06:14:39 fluffypony: want

06:14:45 Adlai: a bit of training and you can give MUCH better cover with *aimed* selective fire

06:15:05 mircea_popescu: depends if it's five of you or five hundred of you.

06:15:56 mircea_popescu: with batallion size deployments rolling auto is much more effectual than "selective" whatever, because people are weird. sorta like how women living together synch periods, soldiers end up all looking in the same spot.

06:16:03 Adlai: you can drain a 30 round magazine in ~10 seconds and get most of your shots on target, and all of them in the right direction; or drain it in ~3 seconds, overheat your barrel, and kill half your friends

06:16:44 Adlai: there are situations where "spraying" is exactly what you want, but there are better tools for that than 'assault rifle'

06:16:58 *: mircea_popescu agrees that in practical terms, the useful full auto is a shrinking space.

06:17:55 Adlai: on the contrary, there's a lot less picking off enemies hundreds of meters away, and a lot more 'clearing rooms'

06:18:02 mircea_popescu: it comes to us from a time of emplaced machine guns and stuff

06:18:18 mircea_popescu: nono, i meant "space".

06:18:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51279 @ 0.00037237 = 19.0948 BTC [+] {2}

06:18:31 Adlai: in which sense?

06:18:40 mircea_popescu: lemme rephrase.

06:18:56 *: mircea_popescu agrees that in practical terms, the useful full auto is rarer and rarer

06:19:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45071 @ 0.00037452 = 16.88 BTC [+] {2}

06:19:40 Adlai: 'situations where full auto is what you want', or 'firearm which usefully implements full auto' ?

06:19:54 mircea_popescu: first.

06:20:00 fluffypony: first

06:20:05 mircea_popescu: well honestly the second too, but unrelatedly.

06:20:05 *: Adlai maintains that both of these are INcreasing, but neither has anything to do with the AR15 family

06:20:15 mircea_popescu: hahaha what.

06:20:27 fluffypony: I don't know enough about firearm development to speak to the second

06:21:24 mircea_popescu: "but brother, why do you try to rescue cost savings ? you know it;s in its nature to sting you". "yes. but it is in my nature to be stingy."

06:21:46 Adlai: full auto is very useful in urban "kill everything" warfare. no country likes admitting that's what they're training for, but they train for this too.

06:22:11 mircea_popescu: nonsense. what are you going to do, spray and pray ?

06:22:22 Adlai: that's what it's called

06:22:28 mircea_popescu: the only thing that's useful in urban warfare is hiding.

06:22:43 mircea_popescu: everything else is a liability.

06:22:50 Adlai: and artillery/air support, with a few guidance chips

06:23:04 mircea_popescu: hey, half the us casualties, gotta provide them somehow.

06:24:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47650 @ 0.00037564 = 17.8992 BTC [+] {2}

06:38:14 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6: im glad we're all trying this now. << kinda the advantage of doing stuff here. << true enough :]

06:42:17 mod6: night #b-a!

07:00:50 mircea_popescu: !up tsoulus

07:01:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00036986 = 3.4767 BTC [-]

07:05:29 []bot: Bet placed: 15.4 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 57.95120426 BTC. Current weight: 96,565.

07:33:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58400 @ 0.00037586 = 21.9502 BTC [+]

07:36:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38800 @ 0.00037791 = 14.6629 BTC [+] {2}

07:38:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19572 @ 0.00036986 = 7.2389 BTC [-]

07:43:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27759 @ 0.00036986 = 10.2669 BTC [-]

07:55:01 cazalla: i guess i was wrong about danielpbarron being mircea_popescu because apparently asciilifeform is mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yrkh4/winner_of_27k_bitcoins_purchased_at_usms_auction/cpccmq0

07:55:02 assbot: usrn comments on Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Purchased At USMS Auction Revealed ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvazCt )

07:55:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31487 @ 0.00037914 = 11.938 BTC [+] {2}

07:56:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131113 @ 0.00038367 = 50.3041 BTC [+] {3}

08:35:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00036986 = 11.0403 BTC [-]

08:38:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57850 @ 0.0003733 = 21.5954 BTC [+]

08:51:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7812 @ 0.0003733 = 2.9162 BTC [+]

08:58:13 fluffypony: cazalla: the comment about the incorrect use of "allegedly" is right, though

08:58:59 fluffypony: as a reporter you don't want to claim something as fact when it isn't, but the USMS holding 3 auctions is accepted enough that it doesn't have to be "alleged" :-P

09:00:04 Adlai: the allegation here is that the auctions were theater

09:04:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87932 @ 0.00038774 = 34.0948 BTC [+] {2}

09:06:54 fluffypony: doesn't matter, the term is still used incorrectly

09:07:05 fluffypony: "apparently" would be a more appropriate term

09:13:28 []bot: Bet placed: 1.0006 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 58.95180426 BTC. Current weight: 96,470.

09:15:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7678 @ 0.00039483 = 3.0315 BTC [+]

09:18:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24905 @ 0.00039483 = 9.8332 BTC [+]

09:33:59 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048149 << what is the lisp concept and how is hickey crapping on it?

09:33:59 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 01:56:57; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still fucking hate that piece. the sheer mendacity of rich hickey in saying 'simplicity matters' while crapping all over lisp concept

09:39:10 Adlai: ben_vulpes: for one, read macros

09:40:40 Adlai: eg http://www.loper-os.org/?p=103

09:40:41 assbot: Loper OS » Nock Nock (Part 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1D97SVF )

09:41:15 ben_vulpes: i've yet to get to read macros in my studies

09:55:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00039787 = 21.1667 BTC [+] {3}

09:56:11 ben_vulpes: re: 'mit' - feeder college for northrup grumman and loyal derpy armsmiths

09:58:07 Adlai: please don't go full cultard

09:59:10 Adlai: that's kinda like saying #b-a is feeder college for altcoin creators

10:02:21 fluffypony: lol

10:08:14 ben_vulpes: wink

10:08:15 ben_vulpes: nudge

10:08:20 ben_vulpes: elbow in ribs

10:08:48 ben_vulpes: sour grapes re youth wasted on the young

10:08:53 ben_vulpes: some mixture of all the above

10:10:34 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049633 << oh just extreme naivte in thinking things like the bail on exit flag would be set the same way on other platforms

10:10:34 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 02:58:53; mod6: ben addded those, not exactly sure what they do. lol.

10:10:45 ben_vulpes: bail on *error*

10:10:51 ben_vulpes: wtshit linux

10:12:00 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049268 << cardano-like thinger over serial someday, one hopes

10:12:00 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 21:30:54; trinque: I'm thinking programmable light switch with ethernet port

10:12:49 davout: http://i.imgur.com/vCifNrr.jpg

10:12:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wZaVhi )

10:13:23 trinque: ben_vulpes: sleep? never heard of it

10:13:48 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049682 << hah i ran into this as well, thought it was due to mounting the working dir in from the host machine

10:13:48 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 03:17:11; decimation: you need to add --lock-never to make it work, because I am using a shitty vm-mounted filesystem that doesn't support hardlinks

10:14:17 ben_vulpes: trinque: you know it

10:14:28 ben_vulpes: thick ass logs today

10:15:58 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049735 << pastebin *specifically*. i've seen this again and again, eventually diddled something in my environment to keep it from happening.

10:15:58 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 03:39:21; mod6: i don't even own or use a M$ machine, so it has to be the paste sites.

10:17:34 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049802 << this is amazing

10:17:34 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

10:17:34 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:31:10; asciilifeform: even if you like static builds, openssl slips dynamic code loading up your arse when you're not looking.

10:18:26 ben_vulpes: jesus shit

10:19:33 ben_vulpes: so basically pwn the vm layer, pwn txn validation possibly?

10:20:05 ben_vulpes: knowing c it's probably just like hell breaks loose in the operating system

10:20:24 ben_vulpes: that filesystem code does whatever it wants to your balance, coins etc.

10:20:54 ben_vulpes: surely that's a paranoid jump too far.

10:21:07 *: ben_vulpes knows nothing about external libs and safety in c

10:22:05 Adlai: if you're going that far, a better approach would be inserting something that reports wallet.dat+password to a remote server, which waits until there's something worth stealing. one day, "all the bitcoins are gone"

10:23:14 ben_vulpes: bleeee

10:24:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63805 @ 0.00040007 = 25.5265 BTC [+] {2}

10:24:29 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049856 << another reason why 0.5.3 needs getblock functionality. i can't trust anything out there, and the best way to handle bitcoins safely is to be able to canvass a mess of bitcoinds and make some decisions about how to squirt txns into the network

10:24:29 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:41:19; decimation: yeah if you are commanding bitcoind on an untrusted network you are fucktarded

10:25:06 ben_vulpes: i kind of have to assume that any hardware i touch these days is wholly compromised

10:25:17 Adlai: fwiw, sending a relay node your transactions is no guarantee that a miner will see them

10:25:34 ben_vulpes: myeah

10:25:41 ben_vulpes: i'd actually like to see relay rules opened up

10:26:06 ben_vulpes: but i suppose that's what gossipd's for

10:26:53 Adlai: bitcoin-over-gossipd is rather useless without miners in the wot

10:28:05 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049865 << see the impossible coincidence of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049868 .

10:28:05 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:44:18; *: asciilifeform still suspects that: 168001 was a stealthfork

10:28:05 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:45:02; mod6: asciilifeform: it is certainly /strange/ that this problem occurs right after the last checkpoint in our version.

10:31:46 ben_vulpes: Adlai: more along the lines of piggybacking messages on the btc txn relay network.

10:32:15 ben_vulpes: anyways, sleep doth conquer

11:29:12 gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: "what is the lisp concept and how is hickey crapping on it?" << the lisp concept is: "a crystalline pyramid of comprehensible mutually-interlocking concepts", see Thumbs Down for Clojure http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42 The parens (i.e., syntactical correspondence with ast) so far as I can tell are inescapable, but incidental. They are simply the most obvious product of the philosophy "sophistication blosso

11:29:14 assbot: Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1AojvBc )

11:29:14 gabriel_laddel: ms from comprehensibility".

11:35:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51977 @ 0.00039727 = 20.6489 BTC [-]

11:41:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56109 @ 0.00039239 = 22.0166 BTC [-] {2}

11:42:46 gabriel_laddel: !gettrust trinque

11:42:46 assbot: Trust relationship from user gabriel_laddel to user trinque: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/gabriel_laddel/trinque | http://w.b-a.link/user/trinque

11:50:31 gabriel_laddel: trinque: regarding "linux sucks but could be better" see the thread here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036490

11:50:31 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:35:29; gabriel_laddel: Eh, perhaps I'm strange, but these things don't tickle me in the right places. Mountains of coke? Fun, surely, but it gets boring after a while...

11:51:14 gabriel_laddel: trinque: also, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992409

11:51:14 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 03:00:06; gabriel_laddel: I've actually done very little development for this dirtro. Most of my time has been spent finding perfect little individual peices and assembling them. Out of the box it has:

11:52:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108800 @ 0.00039012 = 42.4451 BTC [-] {4}

11:54:18 gabriel_laddel: trinque: it seems to me that arguing with e.g., ascii as to if you can make linux less terrible is by and large useless sans the loot (useful technical tidbits) he drops occasionally. If you'd like to work on such a thing I can set you on the only sane path that I'm aware of, with justification as to why you'd do this instead of else.

11:58:57 Adlai: gabriel_laddel: what's the 'status' of your project?

11:59:26 gabriel_laddel: Adlai: currently pestering bezzle lords to pay my bills so I can finish it off

12:00:19 gabriel_laddel: right now I'm writing up a thing so that anyone can finish it off, in case I run into alphabet soup or w/e

12:00:27 Adlai: so not quite as bad as http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-03-2015#1047620

12:00:27 assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 13:50:02; asciilifeform: adlai: shelved

12:02:12 gabriel_laddel: Adlai: Ascii wants to fix everything all at once. I understand his position but don't see how to accomplish it.

12:02:27 Adlai: no, he wants to fix everything from the bottom up

12:02:53 gabriel_laddel: Adlai: that is correct, my mistake.

12:02:58 Adlai: this is a workable approach, it just has higher capex demands (as opposed to 'all at once')

12:03:12 gabriel_laddel: Adlai: In any case, Emacs works just fine and is sufficently lispy without dropping the Von N. arch.

12:03:36 gabriel_laddel: and there is money to be made by exploiting the comprehensibility advantage

12:03:56 Adlai: sure, one of my big struggles lately is pushing myself to read slime source in the hope of contributing patches, rather than bemoaning that the bugs lurk in elisp and leaving it at that

12:04:50 *: Adlai is rapidly becoming the archetypical smug[common]lispweenie

12:04:57 gabriel_laddel: :)

12:05:25 gabriel_laddel: I fucking hate elisp, and happily cut much of it out of Masamune.

12:05:40 gabriel_laddel: I currently edit english text in Climacs sometimes

12:05:55 Adlai: ah, it supports clim!

12:05:58 gabriel_laddel: Perhaps I'll have the chance to clean up the CL interface at some point.

12:06:03 gabriel_laddel: ah, it supports clim! << yep

12:06:11 gabriel_laddel: !s screenshots

12:06:12 assbot: 35 results for 'screenshots' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=screenshots

12:06:40 gabriel_laddel: Adlai: some clim stuff

12:06:41 gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992348

12:06:41 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 02:28:29; gabriel_laddel: http://i.imgur.com/YDS7DZR.png http://i.imgur.com/er5HT6O.png http://i.imgur.com/nsvxhzs.png http://i.imgur.com/Ius6a3h.png

12:07:15 gabriel_laddel: And I'm off for nicotine and a walk. Toodles.

12:07:24 Adlai: o/

12:08:11 Adlai: "Killed buffer" << even the lispiest abstractions leak

12:13:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44650 @ 0.00040205 = 17.9515 BTC [+]

12:22:05 *: Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu

12:28:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.00037616 = 29.0772 BTC [-] {2}

12:29:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35122 @ 0.00039583 = 13.9023 BTC [+] {2}

12:30:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48278 @ 0.0004024 = 19.4271 BTC [+]

12:47:46 danielpbarron: height=271804 vs height=206911

12:48:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79900 @ 0.00037102 = 29.6445 BTC [-]

12:55:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6726 @ 0.00037102 = 2.4955 BTC [-]

12:57:50 Adlai: !s height=

12:57:51 assbot: 199 results for 'height=' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=height%3D

12:59:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69300 @ 0.00037762 = 26.1691 BTC [+]

13:15:40 davout: very skill, much wow

13:15:41 davout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKtfjB3F_c0

13:15:43 assbot: Trust me I'm Mechanic Engineer. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1AiFs )

13:15:59 Adlai: trust me, i speak asslish

13:17:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29620 @ 0.00039614 = 11.7337 BTC [+]

13:17:45 jurov: these openssl shenanigans...anyone tried libressl if it, say, needs -ldl?

13:24:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00039614 = 12.1021 BTC [+]

13:32:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 99 @ 0.014 = 1.386 BTC [-]

13:35:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 242409 @ 0.00036706 = 88.9786 BTC [-] {7}

14:12:41 danielpbarron: re: "50 USD worth of link clicks" : this is where I got the number from, and it's up to 100 USD worth now -> https://i.imgur.com/4Ylwt2s.png

14:12:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xgx70R )

14:13:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00039904 = 9.2976 BTC [+]

14:14:11 danielpbarron: on a related note, I learned how to get my print screen key working on gentoo for this

14:19:50 Adlai: the hardcore version of "created an account just to upvote this"

14:28:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00040102 = 18.0459 BTC [+] {3}

14:30:58 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'm rather surprised it took them so long to hook up the goldpricedumpatron to btc << You once said, "USG is still trying to find way to put lead into bitcoin bars."

14:43:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00039334 = 5.9001 BTC [-]

14:53:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00039442 = 13.4103 BTC [+] {2}

14:54:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 302 @ 0.0041 = 1.2382 BTC [-] {3}

15:23:06 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yrkh4/winner_of_27k_bitcoins_purchased_at_usms_auction/cpclco3?context=5

15:23:07 assbot: fluffyponyza comments on Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Purchased At USMS Auction Revealed ... ( http://bit.ly/1C92ksE )

15:23:17 fluffypony: apparently I'm financially involved with Qntra

15:23:18 fluffypony: who knew

15:23:45 PeterL: do you own any shares?

15:24:19 fluffypony: nope

15:25:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63750 @ 0.00038078 = 24.2747 BTC [-]

15:28:00 danielpbarron: "how dare they get paid to write when I have to pay reddit!!1"

15:28:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4797 @ 0.00038078 = 1.8266 BTC [-]

15:28:39 PeterL: why would anybody pay to use reddit?

15:29:05 danielpbarron: to get "Achievement Unlocked: I'm redditarded" on their profile

15:29:52 jurov: for reddit bezzlegold

15:29:58 danielpbarron: (unless you balance it out with 9x non-promotional material) << there is a ratio specified in the rules?? reddit is like USG training camp

15:31:13 PeterL: so you need to do 9 unpaid spams for each spam you are paid to produce? More spam is better spam!

15:33:15 fluffypony: danielpbarron: yes, there's a 10% rule

15:33:24 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion

15:33:25 assbot: selfpromotion - reddit.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9485c )

15:33:51 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/wiki/faq#wiki_what_constitutes_spam.3F

15:33:53 assbot: faq - reddit.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C94jgF )

15:33:59 fluffypony: "If over 10% of your submissions and conversation are your own site/content/affiliate links, you're almost certainly a spammer."

15:34:35 fluffypony: and not spamming is one of the 5 rules Reddit actually has: http://www.reddit.com/rules/

15:34:36 assbot: reddit.com: rules of reddit ... ( http://bit.ly/1C94tVs )

15:34:54 fluffypony: the rest are just recommendations (eg. reddiquette) or sub-reddit specific rules that anyone can make

15:36:19 danielpbarron: i remember many years ago not liking reddit based soley on this one really annoying kid being way too enthusiastic about it. He went on and on about how some anime trailor was "totally a troll" as he hammered away on his keyboard.

15:38:01 chetty: all these years and still people feed the trolls

15:38:07 PeterL: http://xkcd.com/1385/ << reddit fits too

15:38:08 assbot: xkcd: Throwing Rocks ... ( http://bit.ly/1C94YPk )

15:38:31 danielpbarron: "Don't post personal information." << WTF!? it is required to be anonymous on reddit or what?

15:38:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4135 @ 0.00038078 = 1.5745 BTC [-]

15:39:19 PeterL: anonominity helps the derps feel better about not mattering, since nobody else can matter either

15:39:55 mats: rip pratchett

15:41:06 PeterL: I've been reading through his books lately, quite funny stuff in there

15:42:05 PeterL: A while ago I got the entire discworld series as ebooks for like 0.005 btc, back when a btc was about 10 bucks

15:45:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.0004024 = 15.0296 BTC [+]

15:46:06 fluffypony: danielpbarron: they mean don't post someone else's personal information

15:46:21 fluffypony: unless it is commonly public, eg. domain whois details

15:46:50 fluffypony: the problem is that Reddit tends to breed "investigators" that post about what they've "discovered", when meantime it's pure conjecture

15:54:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89450 @ 0.00040268 = 36.0197 BTC [+] {2}

15:59:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40515 @ 0.00039552 = 16.0245 BTC [-]

16:10:13 PeterL: you know what is annoying? online articles which are split into pages. It is a webpage, I should be able to keep scrolling down, instead of increasing the "click numbers" for advertising!

16:10:33 PeterL: (another reason why qntra is better than so many other news sites)

16:11:34 *: danielpbarron shelves his "10 weird tricks to increase your MPEx portfolio" article..

16:12:07 PeterL: would be fine as an article if the whole things is all on one page! grumble grumble

16:20:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49709 @ 0.00038135 = 18.9565 BTC [-]

16:27:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00037497 = 17.9611 BTC [-]

16:31:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00038135 = 2.8792 BTC [+]

16:36:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00037497 = 3.5622 BTC [-]

16:43:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25110 @ 0.00034888 = 8.7604 BTC [-]

16:44:55 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: I'm totally doing an onion spoof with it

16:45:07 mats: http://chargen.matasano.com/chargen/2015/1/6/bypassing-openssl-certificate-pinning-in-ios-apps.html

16:45:08 assbot: Bypassing OpenSSL Certificate Pinning in iOS Apps - Blog - Matasano Security ... ( http://bit.ly/18DVOhr )

16:45:46 asciilifeform: mats: old nyooz

16:45:56 mats: :(

16:47:01 mats: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/12/nsas_on_drugs_infosec_bods_unveil_space_grade_malware kek

16:47:02 assbot: Kaspersky claims to have found NSA's 'space station malware' • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/18DWdAB )

16:47:23 mats: (nothing new here, just amusing)

16:48:56 asciilifeform: more re: disk fw diddler ?

16:49:07 mod6: jurov: can you see if a message got snarffed from the btc-dev list, i sent one in with the subject "Static Makefile Patch v0.0.2"

16:49:21 mod6: had 2 attachments, a .patch file and a .sig file

16:49:40 mats: related to framework that enables diddling

16:49:59 mod6: all sigs verify.

16:50:27 mats: http://www.scribd.com/doc/258494173/FCC-15-24A1

16:50:28 assbot: FCC-15-24A1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bw7caN )

16:50:54 asciilifeform: mats: i for one am still puzzled by kaspersky's use of the idiot euphemism 'equationgroup'

16:51:05 mats: its all about the clicks, man

16:51:08 asciilifeform: mats: when the actual authorship is plain as daylight

16:51:35 mats: math, computers, fingerless gloves, all the tropes are there

16:53:35 asciilifeform: mats or anybody else: if you have the disk diddler sample, post it

16:53:57 asciilifeform: crapware artists around the world will appreciate the ready-baked fw diddlamatic library, as will winblows users!

16:56:15 asciilifeform: https://securelist.com/files/2015/02/Equation_group_questions_and_answers.pdf << pp. 32,33 have hashes.

16:56:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18DYCes )

17:04:48 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/argentina-for-business/

17:10:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Why would a property in a peso land be worth dollars ? Oh, because the peso is shit, they readily explain to you. Well, if the peso is shit, why do you imagine your real estate is worth anything at all ? ' << because if it were 10 usd, a beggar from calcutta would buy it and live in it; if it were 10K usd, i'd buy it; if it were 100K usd, american speculator corps. would buy it. so it has to be 150K.

17:11:17 asciilifeform: m4rk3tz

17:12:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 399 @ 0.01318937 = 5.2626 BTC [+] {4}

17:15:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93650 @ 0.00035843 = 33.567 BTC [-] {3}

17:15:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'unlike anywhere in the civilised world, the Argentines rent unfurnished.' << wai wat?! most rental pads where i live are unfurnished - just the way i like it (wtf to do with the incl. furniture if you have your own?)

17:18:03 danielpbarron: !up shesek

17:18:04 danielpbarron: !up stunna

17:18:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Well... truth is a lot more complicated than that - in many places, in most places really national sovereignity is implemented as "being incredibly stupid in our own special way", which is of course neither "their own" in any sense nor to any degree special. This has to be broken down...' << aha colonization.

17:19:11 *: Adlai wonders how http://fraudsters.com/2015/argentina-for-business/#footnote_1_60514 fits with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzQuuoKXVq0

17:19:12 assbot: Argentina for business pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/18E2Cf6 )

17:19:13 assbot: EUROPA & ITALIA - Europe vs Italy - Bruno Bozzetto (Official) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18E2Cvq )

17:19:15 asciilifeform: thing is, colonizing power is not necessarily a civilizing one. how'd ya like ru colonial period in ro?

17:19:34 Adlai: on that scale, israel = 'italia baribua' (squared)

17:28:12 mod6: jurov: i don't think the mailing list is working. it has snarffed 2 different messages from me so far today. i know the sigs are good on each & attachments.

17:29:03 mod6: ;;later tell jurov btc-dev mailing list is snarffing messages again

17:29:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:51:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81355 @ 0.00034863 = 28.3628 BTC [-] {4}

18:47:57 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell fluffypony You could have also pointed out that there's 496 total posts on qntra compared to the small portion of those on Reddit

18:47:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:48:15 asciilifeform: So, phun phakt time

18:48:29 asciilifeform: on 2/18 i ordered some boards made at 'macrofab'

18:48:43 asciilifeform: they were mailed out, according to the latter, on 3/10

18:49:28 asciilifeform: today u.s. post office tracker reads 'delivered, 10:35am', 'Waiver of signature was exercised at time of delivery.'

18:50:15 asciilifeform: funny thing is, i have cameras. and they show that no one crossed perimeter until postman around 1400 hrs (with only junk mail.)

18:50:23 asciilifeform: and i did not authorize the 'no signature' crap.

18:50:44 BingoBoingo: Sounds very phun

18:51:04 danielpbarron: sounds like the kind of story you tell kids around a camp fire while pointing a flashlight at your face

18:51:42 asciilifeform: no idea if anyone gives a fuck, but it is quite reminiscent of mircea_popescu's experience when i happened to mail him something last year.

18:52:33 trinque: asciilifeform: well established that mail gets rerouted to diddle-factories

18:52:56 asciilifeform: i think this one went to /dev/null

18:54:21 danielpbarron: helps to get to know your local postman

18:55:26 cazalla: they don't even knock on your door here, they just stick a "we missed you" notice in the letter box and force you to pick it up from the local post office yourself.. god forbid the postman knock at your door and wait for you to answer

18:55:34 chetty: hmm isnt there a coffee shop around there you can check for it?

18:55:49 asciilifeform: cazalla: this wasn't a 'missed delivery' thing

18:56:04 asciilifeform: those get a door sticker, yes, and appropriate text in the www tracking gizmo

18:56:26 *: Adlai had to pick up his reserve summons - A PIECE OF PAPER - at the post office

18:57:00 Adlai: package slip in the mailbox was identical to the kind indicating eg miner

18:57:03 trinque: I highly suspect they tag people to fuck with

18:57:43 trinque: not that I'm interesting enough to have had this happen

18:57:49 *: Adlai got asked to turn on and log in his laptop at CDG while just transferring through, had to explain stumpwm

18:58:00 trinque: Adlai: heh! terrorist

18:58:09 trinque: looks like hacker stuff to me

18:58:33 asciilifeform: Adlai: i still don't get this notion where t3rr0s1stz -somehow must- replace -all- of the cells in the battery with plastique, instead of only half

18:59:00 Adlai: it's the ponytail. flew through in september with a hobo mop, no comment. look like a dealer or hacker? step aside please.

19:01:00 asciilifeform: funny thing is, i won't be surprised if it does show up some time tomorrow

19:01:12 asciilifeform: seen this before.

19:01:30 asciilifeform: postman hits 'delivered' on his turdpad while it's still in the truck

19:01:35 asciilifeform: (why? no one knows)

19:02:03 trinque: non-govt mail tends to be much better

19:02:16 asciilifeform: trinque: vendor did not offer options for shipment

19:02:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do you mean no one knows lol. they gotta make the targets.

19:02:40 asciilifeform: ^ probably this

19:02:59 mircea_popescu: cazalla "usrn -1 points 10 hours ago Doesn't make any difference." << lawl.

19:03:23 mircea_popescu: "mp is bad mmkay!11" "you know the only reason you eat is his tolerant magnanimity" "doesn't make a diference".

19:05:01 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049998 << accepted by reddit does not make it accepted.

19:05:01 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 08:58:59; fluffypony: as a reporter you don't want to claim something as fact when it isn't, but the USMS holding 3 auctions is accepted enough that it doesn't have to be "alleged" :-P

19:05:38 mircea_popescu: that the usms claims to have held auctions is undisputed. that it in fact did not is also plainly factual.

19:06:32 mircea_popescu: and this is why "apparently" is not more appropriate. the locus of power is b-a, not usg. when we say something here, fact or no fact, it becomes "apparently", like it or not like it.

19:06:46 mircea_popescu: when usg says something, it becomes allegedly, and until and unless it receives our imprimatur, it STAYS allegedly.

19:07:02 mircea_popescu: and thus, bush allegedly won the 2nd electoral term.

19:07:27 asciilifeform: is 'auction' where shill guaranteed to win still called 'auction' ?

19:07:42 asciilifeform: or something else.

19:07:50 mircea_popescu: well... allegedly.

19:08:02 mircea_popescu: it's a tardstalk auction, basically.

19:08:29 mircea_popescu: who was that guy kakobrekla really liked, cognitive-something. kept making these and then posing into the forum's ethics board.

19:08:39 mircea_popescu: !up Aquent

19:09:15 asciilifeform: to the extent something takes place on a known muppet theatre stage, it is not even all that important to go into the supposed 'motivations' of the muppets, when you can plainly see the arms growing out of their arses

19:10:08 Aquent: did you buy 27k btc from the marshals mircea_popescu ?

19:10:19 chetty: lmao

19:10:26 mircea_popescu: i didn't make a statement on that.

19:10:40 Aquent: yey or ney

19:10:51 asciilifeform: Aquent: around here we buy only direct from hitler

19:11:04 mircea_popescu: ahaha that ben_vulpes / adlai cultard thing. i'm bashing it.

19:11:18 Aquent: ppl are saying you did

19:11:22 Aquent: so you want to deny it?

19:11:23 mircea_popescu: we should prolly hold a call vote see how mit is regarded, i thought it unanimously despised.

19:11:41 mircea_popescu: Aquent i don't want to anything dood. you want to, an' so far it's not going too well.

19:11:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm enthusiastically in favour of either bulldozing or turning into leprosorium

19:11:46 asciilifeform: (mit)

19:11:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ironically, 50 years ago it was tip top

19:12:06 asciilifeform: as recently as 30!

19:12:15 mircea_popescu: arguably yes.

19:12:17 chetty: whoa, what 'ppl are saying?'

19:12:24 Aquent: well how did you come up with this name

19:12:30 Aquent: this guy - what was the name again

19:12:36 mircea_popescu: with what name ?

19:12:39 Aquent: like no evidence no connection just some name

19:12:57 mircea_popescu: you talking bout cazalla's article on qntra ?

19:13:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220450 @ 0.00033231 = 73.2577 BTC [-] {4}

19:13:09 Aquent: yes

19:13:16 mircea_popescu: well you better ask him then neh ?

19:13:28 Aquent: Larry Dean Silvey

19:14:09 trinque: the article itself gives its evidence

19:14:23 Aquent: does it?

19:14:58 cazalla: Aquent, not everything that pointed to him is included in the article

19:15:20 Aquent: not anything that points to him is included

19:15:30 trinque: the bit about the tweeted address is there

19:15:42 mircea_popescu: the beauty of the internets, srsly. who the hell ever called up w r hearst to inquire about whatever points of minutia in some goddard article.

19:15:47 mircea_popescu: we've clearly progressed.

19:15:57 Aquent: lol

19:16:02 Aquent: beauty of journalism innit

19:16:12 Aquent: to do that research for me to easily read it

19:16:15 Aquent: not do my own

19:16:24 mircea_popescu: has little to do with journalism an' everything to do with... wel, irc, basically, and the very republican roots of la serenissima.

19:17:30 Aquent: mircea_popescu if you did win the auction how much would have you paid per btc?

19:17:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050043 << this is technically possible and not a negligible avenue of attack.

19:17:41 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 10:20:24; ben_vulpes: that filesystem code does whatever it wants to your balance, coins etc.

19:17:49 mircea_popescu: i can readily see in the future "special" hard drives being made.

19:18:04 mircea_popescu: Aquent i didn't make a statement about that, either.

19:18:14 asciilifeform: re: post office idiocy: i fully expect that before the era of usg is over, 'serenissima' cargo will routinely travel with real-time ir camera (and 'glonass') feed from inside the box.

19:18:24 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://i.imgur.com/SZFFlf1.jpg

19:18:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwJFXl )

19:18:25 Aquent: I didn't say you did

19:18:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'special' hard drives made presently.

19:18:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you open it by the stove.

19:19:07 asciilifeform: neh i meant - belonging to sender or receiver

19:19:17 mircea_popescu: oh

19:19:19 asciilifeform: a precious and carefully-sewn item

19:19:25 asciilifeform: sent back, forth...

19:19:29 asciilifeform: between phriends

19:20:48 asciilifeform: if real-time satellite is costly and unreliable, a 'poor man's' version will contain two rsa keys. one will sign every frame and globe coordinate tuple -until package is opened-, the other - after

19:21:08 asciilifeform: with the usual caveats re: sensor cat-mouse games

19:21:18 mircea_popescu: i don't imagine that anyone cares this much.

19:21:26 asciilifeform: depends what is moving, no?

19:21:27 mircea_popescu: cheaper to use sluts curriers only.

19:21:35 mircea_popescu: currently it's about half girls anyway

19:21:36 asciilifeform: and who said inapplicable for living courier

19:21:50 asciilifeform: iirc diplomatic mail already works quite like this.

19:22:00 asciilifeform: with addition of manual pull ring for courier in case he is being poked

19:22:07 asciilifeform: (thermite)

19:22:31 mircea_popescu: something like that.

19:22:55 asciilifeform: an absolutely-perfect $maxint gadget is not necessary to utterly deter idiots from fucking with mail

19:23:10 asciilifeform: because their faced will be on 'youtube' etc. in real time.

19:23:12 asciilifeform: *faces

19:23:19 asciilifeform: and coordinates

19:23:22 mircea_popescu: mail is not opened by hand

19:23:49 asciilifeform: depends which set of idiots

19:24:16 asciilifeform: when -from- 'respectable' folks like cisco - yes, by hand, stable of monkeys (its exact location was in #b-a not long ago)

19:24:17 mircea_popescu: also true.

19:24:28 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050076 << haha

19:24:28 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 11:59:26; gabriel_laddel: Adlai: currently pestering bezzle lords to pay my bills so I can finish it off

19:26:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050086 << well, fwiw it's a worthy thing to do.

19:26:21 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 12:03:56; Adlai: sure, one of my big struggles lately is pushing myself to read slime source in the hope of contributing patches, rather than bemoaning that the bugs lurk in elisp and leaving it at that

19:27:36 asciilifeform: Adlai: it is quite a feat to bring oneself to program in elisp after working with proper common lisp. don't know how you manage it. (iron will?)

19:27:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050103 << don't be ridiculous. for one thing, commodizing asic mining is a larger task than commodizing cpu arch. for the other, they're a fucking sv corp, they're not going to DO ANYTHING. just sit around and talk about shit. preferably at "conferences", or else "liveblog" it.

19:27:50 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 12:22:05; *: Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu

19:28:37 asciilifeform: 'commoditize' is a very, very odd thing for anyone to wish to do to mining.

19:28:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050118 << tyhe problem is that baked in bitcoin dependencies can not be replaced.

19:28:47 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 13:17:45; jurov: these openssl shenanigans...anyone tried libressl if it, say, needs -ldl?

19:28:53 mircea_popescu: EVEN IF "it works now"

19:29:16 *: Adlai has babbled about such concepts to vc-types while orbiting those circles (at a safe distance), there's always the faint glimmer of hope that a good meme takes root

19:29:16 mircea_popescu: the only solution is to pull in the relevant code and encase it in acrylate.

19:29:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132400 @ 0.0003337 = 44.1819 BTC [+] {2}

19:29:24 mircea_popescu: which is roughly what the power rangers figured out eventually too.

19:29:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: read openssl. it's a spittoon.

19:29:38 mircea_popescu: Adlai that faint glimmer reflects principally your tender years.

19:29:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and, no, they didn't. they rewrote haphazardly and went 'so it works, stfu'

19:29:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no practical considerations will interfere with my strategic management!!1

19:30:00 asciilifeform: l0lziez

19:30:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't mean in the past. i mean for the future. they're trying to make a "special file".

19:30:19 mircea_popescu: put all the braindamage in there.

19:30:25 Adlai: 1st ¶ http://www.winstonchurchill.org/resources/quotations/quotes-falsely-attributed

19:30:28 assbot: Quotes Falsely Attributed ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwPdRr )

19:31:19 mircea_popescu: heh

19:34:23 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron 66 shitty twitter clicks are worth 50 bucks in the lalaland whjere twitter is a public company and so on and so forth.

19:34:34 mircea_popescu: otherwise, they're a coupla hundred bucks to the million.

19:36:03 mircea_popescu: fluffypony that's some kickass research on reddit submissions ? do you like do this professionally or something ?

19:37:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050139 << lawl.

19:37:17 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 15:28:00; danielpbarron: "how dare they get paid to write when I have to pay reddit!!1"

19:38:13 asciilifeform: update on 'macrofab' - vendor apologized, insists that they did not authorize 'no signature', offers to do another run (schedule unspecified) gratis

19:38:21 asciilifeform: if thing doesn't show up by end of wk

19:38:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050161 << the chemist got it.

19:38:31 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 15:39:19; PeterL: anonominity helps the derps feel better about not mattering, since nobody else can matter either

19:38:50 mircea_popescu: animality, anonimity, what the hell's the difference.

19:39:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so vendor knows they never shipped.

19:39:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wrote in a 'wtf'

19:39:20 asciilifeform: shortly before sharing the tale

19:39:44 mircea_popescu: seems this process would have sunk them by now, but hey.

19:39:54 asciilifeform: 'macrofab' opened ~1 mo. ago

19:40:18 asciilifeform: and is, afaik, presently the only outfit of its kind

19:40:38 asciilifeform: (who knows how long will last, or even if works. i was going to learn something by opening that crate...)

19:40:52 mircea_popescu: aite, i take it back, we see.

19:41:51 asciilifeform: it'd still have a 'too good to be true' flavour were it at 10x the quoted price - so i'm not expecting much

19:42:05 Adlai: even if you think both of those are tentacles of the same octopusg, they do have independent nervous systems

19:42:40 asciilifeform: Adlai: the tentacles, where i stand, flail wildly and without purpose

19:42:45 asciilifeform: Adlai: i know this because of being still alive

19:42:49 Adlai: sure

19:42:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050204 << just to blow your mind : you are speaking to a man who has bought that sort of thing (apartment, 3 rooms, 75 sqm) for 350 dollars.

19:42:53 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 17:10:37; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Why would a property in a peso land be worth dollars ? Oh, because the peso is shit, they readily explain to you. Well, if the peso is shit, why do you imagine your real estate is worth anything at all ? ' << because if it were 10 usd, a beggar from calcutta would buy it and live in it; if it were 10K usd, i'd buy it; if it were 100K usd, american speculator corps. would buy it. so it

19:43:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: betcha you had to spend more than 350 to turn into the sort of fella who might open the door behind which it costs 350.

19:43:37 asciilifeform: 'linux is free if...' etc

19:43:39 Adlai: both hands thinking they're the right one is functionally equivalent to 'all thumbs'

19:43:44 mircea_popescu: Adlai you know, you should probably write an exhaustive discussion of the cult an' publish it on yoru blog, rather than bottle it up and end up pankkake'd.

19:43:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope.

19:43:55 *: Adlai has a blog?

19:43:59 mircea_popescu: make one.

19:44:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ok i'll bite. where do i buy one.

19:44:21 mircea_popescu: gorj, romania's lignite mining county, finally had govt subsidies cut after 5 years of the mines n olonger being economically workable.

19:44:22 asciilifeform: and i think i'd like a 'boeing' too, for 250.

19:44:32 mircea_popescu: prices collapsed, an apt could be had for a working color tv.\

19:44:40 mircea_popescu: because everyone wanted to just fucking leave.

19:44:47 mircea_popescu: it came back to sense within a decade.

19:45:20 mircea_popescu: this was an earlier time in romania : foreigners weren't allowed to own property, like in fucking burma, and locals were the sort of retards the soviet collapse left behind,

19:45:21 asciilifeform: as i understand it costs more than that to have your title not magicked away by the 'big boy' privatizers in the locale

19:45:26 mircea_popescu: not the slightest clue of a commercial spirit.

19:45:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you misunderstand. no title was ever magicked.

19:45:45 asciilifeform: aha if no foreigners, even easier

19:45:54 asciilifeform: that's the only way prices like this can exist

19:45:58 mircea_popescu: yup

19:46:01 asciilifeform: or soros et al would snap up the whole shebang

19:46:18 mircea_popescu: worthless dollars being worthless, of course.

19:46:29 asciilifeform: only'

19:46:38 asciilifeform: ' 500k 'worthless' dollars buy a moscow flat

19:46:52 asciilifeform: today.

19:46:57 mircea_popescu: Adlai there's nothing wrong with hatin' an' railin'. on the contrary. meanwhile the attempt to not do so seems to be damaging for the attempter.

19:47:20 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't live in moscow if the flat were free.

19:47:27 asciilifeform: just example.

19:47:46 *: Adlai isn't hating and generally doesn't reach critical mass of serialized words to justify a 'blog'

19:48:10 mircea_popescu: Adlai just a thought.

19:48:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050208 << why the fuck would you own furniture in excess of the real estate you own ?

19:48:35 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 17:15:40; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'unlike anywhere in the civilised world, the Argentines rent unfurnished.' << wai wat?! most rental pads where i live are unfurnished - just the way i like it (wtf to do with the incl. furniture if you have your own?)

19:48:43 mircea_popescu: this is like renting cars without the engine. "because i have an engine"

19:48:50 mircea_popescu: why the fuck are you going around with an debodied engine!

19:49:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not in excess. in exactly the correct volume.

19:49:03 mircea_popescu: to rent means, ready to use.

19:49:16 mircea_popescu: if i rent i expect to take the keys, take a girl there and fuck her in this order.

19:49:18 asciilifeform: but no, i don't have precisely same items to put in rented space as the neighbouring derps

19:49:21 mircea_popescu: if i wanted a place to work on i'd buy it.

19:49:44 *: Adlai has also been busy with the likes of https://github.com/adlai/bip0032sbcl/commit/d5b1b52

19:49:46 assbot: http://www.dorodango.com/create.html · d5b1b52 · adlai/bip0032sbcl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mwt35I )

19:49:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then you're muddying the discussion up by being one of those who lives in a warehouse

19:49:57 mircea_popescu: obviously warehouses are rented empty whether you live in them or not.

19:50:04 mircea_popescu: this is residential not commercial space we're discussing here.

19:50:23 asciilifeform: Adlai: aaargh, is that a shell callout!? wtf

19:50:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of my actual residence here

19:50:44 asciilifeform: i -like- my desk, chair, etc. don't want 'generic' ones when i move

19:50:50 chetty: germany unfurnished apts didnt even have a kitchen sink

19:50:57 mircea_popescu: you're nuts, the lot of you.

19:50:59 Adlai: asciilifeform: i've not yet polished hdw, the only reason i touched that file is so the commit would still pass tests

19:51:12 Adlai: (guy used a defconstant symbol as a local variable)

19:51:18 mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares about the desk! and a chair, whatever, you just... buy a new one! that fits!

19:51:26 mircea_popescu: what sort of consumerist culture is this anymore!

19:51:27 asciilifeform: Adlai: and srsly, sha256 as a callout?! it's a pg or 2

19:51:42 *: Adlai will lift from ironclad when the time comes

19:51:42 trinque: mircea_popescu: do you know how long it takes to get the perfect ass crease in an office chair?!

19:51:58 Adlai: (with the medium/long plan, if this thing reaches usable quality, being backporting)

19:52:01 Adlai: or upstreaming

19:52:05 Adlai: or whatever the kids call it

19:52:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if were moving to, wherever, jp, yes - things more economical to buy 2nd time than ship - would

19:52:13 mircea_popescu: trinque i never used a chair for more than i dunno, a year ? two ?

19:52:14 asciilifeform: but that isn't 100% of furniture

19:52:19 chetty: <trinque> mircea_popescu: do you know how long it takes to get the perfect ass crease in an office chair?!// longer than modern ones last

19:52:25 trinque: haha

19:52:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you also go around with your bed ?

19:52:40 mircea_popescu: "this is my bed, my grandmother died in it"

19:52:41 asciilifeform: phun phakt: i once had a costly, 'premium' type office chair spontaneously convert into a stake

19:52:47 Adlai: ;;ud chair ass

19:52:48 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chair+Ass | Chair Ass. The natural effect of the slow growth and spread of a clerical worker's physical frame, across the span of years of combining vending machine snack ...

19:52:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda why you change them yearly.

19:52:58 Adlai: clerical workers, the lot o ya

19:53:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or use one made 20+ yrs ago

19:53:10 trinque: Adlai: standing desk is where it's at

19:53:16 trinque: better for pacing angrily

19:53:16 danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCmeHCnPwxY

19:53:18 assbot: Homer - Ass Groove - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwZOvL )

19:53:18 asciilifeform: my brother works in a chair that almost certainly was once at 'bell labs'

19:53:19 mircea_popescu: look, if you're going to fill a place with antiques, YOU SHOULD NOT BE RENTING IT

19:53:22 asciilifeform: it is indestructible.

19:53:33 mircea_popescu: antiques suffer from transport, and wtf do you even want to put nice furniture in a place you don't like.,

19:53:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, plainly antiques should only travel in atomic dirigible

19:54:04 asciilifeform: for the rest of us, who don't have access to $maxint - they sit in rented hovels, yes

19:54:10 chetty: oo thats what I want a desk that goes up and down so you can sit or stand :D

19:54:21 asciilifeform: chetty: we have these where i work

19:54:29 asciilifeform: chetty: overrated imho

19:54:29 Adlai: !s ikea shelf

19:54:30 assbot: 0 results for 'ikea shelf' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ikea+shelf

19:54:30 mircea_popescu: basically, you're in this space that doens't eixst, at all. there's a) real estate you own, and you like enough to own, which contains furniture of value proprotionate to that. and b) real estate you don't give a shit about, if you come back to find it ablaze you just shrug and move on.

19:54:41 mircea_popescu: yours is some sort of insane c) where it has all the disadvantages of both.

19:54:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is approximately correct

19:54:59 mircea_popescu: well so then, here's an idle thought :

19:55:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is puzzled because he can afford sanity

19:55:20 mircea_popescu: the reason you find it so hard to escape the gravity well is in no small part due to the fact that you;ve spent many decades making the wrong decisions and they're a bitch to undo.

19:55:22 asciilifeform: but over here we live in demented pauper-land where sanity is a premium product available to select few.

19:55:40 mircea_popescu: hardest of all is to move from c).

19:55:52 asciilifeform: decades << not quite decade

19:56:11 mircea_popescu: may explain why you're even contemplating the alien insanity, instead of just telling me i'm evil.

19:56:16 asciilifeform: but otherwise a nearly obvious description of what a gravity well even is

19:56:21 mircea_popescu: i guess so huh.

19:56:39 asciilifeform: i mean no shit, it sucks and no one would climb in on his own volition

19:56:51 asciilifeform: if knew what's in the tank

19:56:54 mircea_popescu: myeah. i see it. well... i feel better for having discussed it!

19:57:19 asciilifeform: but i probably should elaborate a little

19:57:31 asciilifeform: would happily set fire to all of it if had the other half of the conundrum licked

19:57:43 mircea_popescu: that's a rare man, and a virtually inexistent woman.

19:57:55 chetty: I beg your pardon

19:57:58 asciilifeform: l0l

19:58:08 trinque: easier when you're poor, heh. I've moved across the country several times, selling all the crap that didn't fit in a car

19:58:17 asciilifeform: trinque: i used to be 'theoretical'

19:58:25 mircea_popescu: chetty it's rare. you know it's rare.

19:58:26 asciilifeform: which is what i call folks who don't need any physical plant

19:58:29 trinque: better to advance the career, get another tv or whatever

19:58:38 asciilifeform: a good friend of mine is 'theoretical'

19:58:39 trinque: asciilifeform: ah yeah, I am mostly bits

19:58:41 asciilifeform: a mathematician

19:58:44 asciilifeform: i envy him often

19:58:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> which is what i call folks who don't need any physical plant << which is why i said i was a theoretical physicist :)

19:58:54 trinque: heh!

19:59:08 chetty: rare it may be, but it does exist

19:59:24 mircea_popescu: it does.

19:59:34 mircea_popescu: hey, i covered my ass with that virtually in there.

19:59:35 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yeah, when he accused me of having a financial interest I got bored

19:59:35 asciilifeform: i trained the pet, inadvertantly, by threatening, for some years, to move us into a ship

19:59:44 fluffypony: stupid moron

19:59:49 asciilifeform: (which at one point wanted to do)

19:59:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97406 @ 0.00034083 = 33.1989 BTC [+] {3}

20:00:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the what's his name disease

20:00:03 mircea_popescu: orlov

20:00:04 asciilifeform: aha

20:00:09 mircea_popescu: i've been on ships. they suck.

20:00:15 mircea_popescu: fucking bilge, nuff said.

20:00:16 asciilifeform: know what else sucks?

20:00:21 asciilifeform: living on land in gringolandia

20:00:23 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I don't redditard professionally, I used PRAW + some python to grab the info and then shoved it into Excel of all things

20:00:24 asciilifeform: on $smallint

20:00:39 mircea_popescu: fluffypony well the results were so out of place for the venue. like... wow.

20:00:58 asciilifeform: on the ship you get the thing americans pay $maxint for - maximize distance from nearest human on command - for $0.

20:01:07 mircea_popescu: well, for $gas

20:01:10 fluffypony: I was very annoyed :-P

20:01:11 asciilifeform: sail.

20:01:19 mircea_popescu: op get the motherfucking fuck out.

20:01:22 asciilifeform: (orlov has a small engine, he claims only for parking)

20:01:24 mircea_popescu: you were going to live on a sailboat ?

20:01:30 mircea_popescu: what are you, a cartoon character ?

20:01:44 asciilifeform: had idea before reading mr o, but it was him who demonstrated that it can be done on something less than orbital budget

20:02:04 asciilifeform: anyway, i'm not satisfied presently with his demonstration. he cheated.

20:02:13 mircea_popescu: you ever like... i dunno, ever had a friend in porn invite you to spend a while with a coupla girls on a yacht ? or generally, spent any time on a sail vessel ?

20:02:50 *: asciilifeform is not an expert or veteran of the art. but also is not esp. susceptible to motion sickness

20:03:04 mircea_popescu: but have you ever spent, a whole day, on a sail anything, at sea.

20:03:09 asciilifeform: nope.

20:03:22 mircea_popescu: yes. well, before you expend any serious money / other resources on this, do that.

20:03:24 trinque: the sail really gets the thing swaying

20:03:33 mircea_popescu: you can not begin to imagine how fucking inconvenient it is. at all.

20:03:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for this and other reasons decided that 'too orbital' for budget constraint.

20:03:51 mircea_popescu: i mean sure, as an outing, soemthing to do for a day or w/e, great. splendid sport.

20:03:58 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, jail is BY FAR more comfortable.

20:04:40 mircea_popescu: you wouldn't want to live in a bob sleigh or inside your go-kart either. it's not that dissimilar.

20:05:19 *: asciilifeform searches memory for historical figures who are known to have done any serious thinking while under sail

20:05:26 mircea_popescu: nelson, for one.

20:05:31 mircea_popescu: but he sailed an english manowar.

20:05:45 asciilifeform: aha

20:05:46 mircea_popescu: also franklin. but he sailed english ocean liners.

20:05:49 mircea_popescu: also twain, same.

20:05:57 mircea_popescu: none of these are the thing here discussed.

20:06:15 asciilifeform: at any rate, mr o spends most of his time at anchor

20:06:24 mircea_popescu: because "he chooses to" right ?

20:06:43 asciilifeform: the machine, as i understand, is for reasonably quick, inexpensive, and unobtrusive jurisdiction-switching

20:06:48 mircea_popescu: would be a shitload cheaper to just rent serially. FURNISHED appartments.

20:06:53 asciilifeform: as well as climate-switching

20:07:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: air travel -> arse inspection. sail - not yet (doesn't scale well)

20:07:15 mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, because he couldn't be served just as well by a common bus.

20:07:58 asciilifeform: bus to uninhabited islands ?

20:07:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70100 @ 0.00034423 = 24.1305 BTC [+] {2}

20:08:16 asciilifeform: boat is a machine for getting away from fucking humans

20:08:36 asciilifeform: bus, passenger plane, auto - no.

20:08:36 mircea_popescu: mkay.

20:08:44 mircea_popescu: i propose this matter still needs a lot more thinking.

20:09:00 asciilifeform: it solves an actual problem, that some folks perceive themselves as having

20:09:28 asciilifeform: which is the one in 'stand on zanzibar' and of the 'mouse city' overpopulation experiment

20:09:29 chetty: I could go for a deserted island :)

20:09:55 asciilifeform: chetty: by far the most economical way to get there is on water

20:10:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050212 << i'm on the record saying that italians are really the scourge of europe, gypsyes muchly preferable.

20:10:27 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 17:19:11; *: Adlai wonders how http://fraudsters.com/2015/argentina-for-business/#footnote_1_60514 fits with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzQuuoKXVq0

20:11:23 Adlai: https://i.imgur.com/xV3sl.gif

20:11:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MwvPHU )

20:11:49 mircea_popescu: yeah well, there could scarcely be imagined a more degenerate people.

20:12:00 mircea_popescu: make the italian a cook and forget it.

20:13:04 mod6: jurov: not even a test email made it through.

20:15:16 mircea_popescu: hahaha the youtube ends on the same note. "let them do the food"

20:15:19 danielpbarron: this video about itally might as well be about U.S., or Connecticut at least

20:16:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050215 << this is a complicated question. generally, the damage was done early on by a (perhaps understandably) revancharde russia, and late on, by a completely local brewed idiot.

20:16:13 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 17:19:15; asciilifeform: thing is, colonizing power is not necessarily a civilizing one. how'd ya like ru colonial period in ro?

20:16:33 mircea_popescu: otherwise, romania was in europe throughout, it was going to push industrialization through regardless.

20:17:01 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron the problem with places that used to be great but lacked the social structure to support it is they degenerate essentially the same way.

20:17:28 asciilifeform: walls of constantinopol

20:17:44 mircea_popescu: "give us your tired, your hungry" omits the whole picture : sure a country of immigrants is a grand way to build yourself up. but, necesarily, it's a great way to fall over like a deflated donut within a century.

20:17:49 mircea_popescu: happens every time.

20:18:14 mod6: give us ur derps

20:21:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050233 << funny thing being, that if they actually want a copy they can just ask neh ?

20:21:06 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 18:52:56; asciilifeform: i think this one went to /dev/null

20:21:17 asciilifeform: phr33 s4mpl3

20:21:36 asciilifeform: will hand-deliver to hitler if he asks nicely

20:22:33 asciilifeform: nobody wants a copy, but only to be annoying

20:22:53 mircea_popescu: which is the ridiculousness of it all. teenaged priss kinda likes a boy, does not find it within her purview to go on knees moan for cock. oh no, must pretend this that and the other.

20:23:22 mircea_popescu: god forbid we think less of her unless she doesn't do the exact things that make one think less of her.

20:23:39 mircea_popescu: basically the usg is about 15 and has grown up on a gated community. in connecticut.

20:23:55 asciilifeform: more like cat that 'plays with its food'

20:24:12 asciilifeform: 'we're in no hurry, you and i', the beast says to the mouse

20:24:28 mircea_popescu: mno.

20:26:08 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#985304 << is the "BTC" side of this to be paid post-fork, because otherwise the deal is really 750 BTC + 750 gavincoin in exchange for 1k gavincoin

20:26:08 assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 02:32:01; mircea_popescu: ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 BTC Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.

20:26:12 asciilifeform: i mean, i'd like to think not, but cannot fairly claim to be certain of not being mouse

20:26:55 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ahem. through what sort of magic the parts summed exceed the sum ?

20:27:44 danielpbarron: 750 BTC today will be on both chains post-fork

20:28:42 mircea_popescu: right.

20:30:13 danielpbarron: so someone pays you 750 BTC today, which turns into 750 BTC and 750 GSC (gavinscamcoin) later, and you just need to buy another 250 GSC to settle the deal

20:33:02 mircea_popescu: or in other words, they make 250 gsc for no risk, if they believe this theory whereby "people" will "update" to gavincoin on gavin's say so.

20:33:11 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: that assumes this 750 BTC is prefork.

20:33:50 danielpbarron: right, it's still a "good deal" to those who are so sure the fork will be a hit; i'm just trying to figure out how "good a deal" it is

20:39:33 danielpbarron: so it's kinda like they are trading 750 BTC for 250 GSC, no?

20:39:56 danielpbarron: where BTC is this "stilly worthless thing" to them

20:41:44 mike_c: danielpbarron: you need to be 75% confident to break even

20:41:59 mike_c: if you are > than that confident in gavincoin, it's a good deal

20:42:21 mike_c: i can do the math for you if it's helpful

20:43:20 danielpbarron: I think I got it now. I was hung up on my own bias against GSC

20:44:03 danielpbarron: in that, I would probably be willing to trade 750 GSC for 250 BTC

20:45:15 mike_c: then you can undercut mp :) quick, make an exchange!

20:46:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9293 @ 0.00033945 = 3.1545 BTC [-]

20:46:43 danielpbarron: are you making me an offer?

20:47:36 mike_c: no, i don't sell btc for fiat or for gavincoin.

20:49:40 davout: this video about italians is amazing

20:49:40 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:50:16 davout: the retarded part of the french also clap at landings

20:50:52 davout: mircea_popescu: furnished flats are the exception in france too

20:52:01 asciilifeform: davout: i suspect that they're absolutely standard wherever inhabited by ordinary folks, rather than business travellers or mircea_popescu with $maxint

20:53:53 Adlai: davout: my cdg layover mia→tlv was packed with equal parts frenchman and jew... confusion over whether to clap was palpable.

20:54:17 davout: haha

20:54:19 asciilifeform: davout: unfurnished, that is

20:54:23 asciilifeform: rather than furnished

20:54:27 davout: asciilifeform: yea you got me confused

20:55:06 davout: Adlai: they seriously made you login to your comp? that's pretty retarded

20:55:26 mike_c: americans only clap when landing in las vegas.

20:55:48 asciilifeform: davout: the laptop thing is becoming standard in most of the usg world

20:56:19 Adlai: after i repeated "linux" a bunch of times, ran xterm and opened random man pages, eventually the guy got overwhelmed/embarassed and just waved me on

20:56:30 asciilifeform: davout: if it has any purpose whatsoever, it is a training run for shoulder-surfing the pw in case they decide to confiscate the machine

20:56:35 davout: asciilifeform: is it to search it? or to check that it isn't just filled /w explosives?

20:56:52 asciilifeform: davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050246

20:56:52 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 18:58:33; asciilifeform: Adlai: i still don't get this notion where t3rr0s1stz -somehow must- replace -all- of the cells in the battery with plastique, instead of only half

20:57:15 Adlai: asciilifeform: if that's the case, the guy failed afaict, seemed to be waiting for graphical login and was shocked to discover that all had taken place in text

20:57:24 davout: good thing i'm only carrying my friends laptop i don't have the credentials to

20:57:37 Adlai: (he was totally zoned out until i pulled him back to reality, impatient to get IN the plane)

20:57:43 asciilifeform: davout: insta-confiscation, presumed plastique.

20:57:51 asciilifeform: in usg airport

20:58:00 *: Adlai is amazed that his laptop passes chemical swabs

20:58:11 asciilifeform: (sorta like admitting that you have someone else's suitcase)

20:58:14 davout: asciilifeform: i don't really get why logging in to it isn't deemed enough proof it isn't a bomb

20:58:20 Adlai: for, ahem, contraband of the airborn pollen variety.

20:58:27 asciilifeform: davout: because it's a lie

20:58:35 Adlai: it's proof that you don't care about 'unlocking' the device

20:58:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00033945 = 17.5835 BTC [-]

20:58:55 davout: braindamaged on so many levels

20:58:56 Adlai: you've never had security at an event ask to open a bag/compartment, only to barely glance what was inside once open?

20:59:11 davout: danielpbarron: btw when i say an exchange, i mean an exchange

20:59:13 Adlai: not really, it's behavioral profiling and it works when you're less braindamaged than your expected enemy

20:59:18 trinque: they're just derping through a script they've been taught

20:59:28 trinque: they care that they hit the major bullet points, don't care how effectively

20:59:29 asciilifeform: Adlai: everyone has. because actual anal inspection for every 'client' takes far too long. instead - lottery.

20:59:45 asciilifeform: when your number comes up - then, then the fun.

20:59:50 trinque: generally smiling at the fucks and making pleasantries is enough to get through quickly

21:00:00 danielpbarron: davout, well I posted the invite on the forum; they know where to come

21:00:18 trinque: though I may be white and combed-hair enough to not be bothered often

21:00:29 Adlai: army tactic: let 99% pass unmolested, anally inspect the random 1%. (and call in female sergeant for the other inspection)

21:00:54 Adlai: like TA, this only works if everybody knows you're doing it

21:00:56 trinque: Adlai: the point in my mind is that these aren't ideologically motivated goons

21:01:07 davout: danielpbarron: you mean an invite to -otc?

21:01:07 Adlai: no, the guy at the border check was just doing his job

21:01:09 trinque: they're just bored kids, with as much focused malice as a bored kid can muster

21:01:14 Adlai: he was really embarassed at how impatient i got

21:01:54 *: Adlai wasn't sure what to expect, but in his mind, it involved at least being led away from the public areas... no such privilege, just awkwards blocking the line

21:02:41 trinque: I have no trouble smiling and being friendly with some govt goon if it gets me on my plane quicker, or out of the airport quicker

21:02:56 danielpbarron: davout, to here.. -assets

21:03:21 davout: ah, well to take up the offer you got clarification about amirite

21:05:25 davout: either way, it can't really work now, there can't really be a contract that defines what a gavincoin is before the guy actually commits some code

21:06:29 danielpbarron: it can't really work now because anyone dumb enough to want to make the deal doesn't actually have enough money for it to be worthwhile

21:06:59 danielpbarron: that aside, it should technically be possible to strike a deal

21:07:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00033945 = 13.2046 BTC [-]

21:08:31 davout: there are plenty of people dumb enough to take the deal that also happen to have >1k

21:09:33 davout: it's not possible, because defining gavincoin as "everything that is not bitcoin" just doesn't work

21:10:38 danielpbarron: i'd define it the way they do: a fork of bitcoin that gets 80% consensus from miners (or 75% or 95%, whatever magic number they want)

21:11:46 davout: what if it's like a emergency bugfix harfork? or any kind of non-braindamaged hardfork we actually agree with?

21:13:28 davout: because the contract also has to have an expiration, in case the hardfork never actually happens

21:13:33 asciilifeform: 80% << obligatory >> 'We use the term "thieves" if the number of men does not exceed seven, "band of marauders" [or "war-band"] for a number between seven and thirty-five. Anything beyond this is an "army".'

21:13:39 asciilifeform: ( http://www.regia.org/research/warfare/fyrd1.htm )

21:13:40 assbot: Regia Anglorum - The Fyrd (Army) in Anglo-Saxon England - Part 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9XjQK )

21:14:18 danielpbarron: i could specify that it doesn't count as a fork if the resulting coin is still accepted by MPEx :p

21:15:46 asciilifeform: lol, package -did- show.

21:16:35 asciilifeform: even a free sample board in there.

21:20:30 mike_c: pics

21:20:58 mike_c: do they look visually reasonable? no balls of solder hanging off the sides?

21:21:07 asciilifeform: visually yes

21:22:36 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf1.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf2.jpg

21:22:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^

21:23:07 asciilifeform: one of the bags contains an empty board (souvenir?) - order consisted of two assembled standard rng

21:24:19 davout: danielpbarron: :)

21:24:42 nubbins`: alf, cool

21:24:59 asciilifeform: did not yet test

21:25:13 asciilifeform: dimensions are perfect within visual limits, though boards have panelization burrs

21:25:30 asciilifeform: (unlike my cn supplier which ships only perfectly-smooth edges)

21:25:47 asciilifeform: ic orientations are correct

21:25:50 nubbins`: where'd this batch come from?

21:25:55 asciilifeform: 'macrofab'

21:25:57 nubbins`: a

21:26:15 nubbins`: much price diff?

21:26:16 asciilifeform: recently-opened outfit in usa

21:26:39 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have nothing with which to compare the price. nobody else on the planet does qty.1 smt assembly+board with no tooling charge

21:26:59 nubbins`: that's the ultimate bespoke, hey?

21:27:07 asciilifeform: for their weight in gold.

21:27:27 nubbins`: HEH.

21:27:29 asciilifeform: will say later if these even work.

21:28:08 nubbins`: i was gonna offer to purchase the empty board for posterity, but i doubt that's on the table anymore 8)

21:30:28 *: nubbins` generally only buys two things at gold/oz cost -- gold and printer ink

21:30:35 nubbins`: and even printer ink, i'm buying in bulk these days

21:33:31 nubbins`: ...and fwiw there was a tooling charge, just not presented as such :P

21:42:29 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/latest-ransomware-targets-game-files-related-applications/

21:42:39 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf3_compare.jpg

21:42:47 asciilifeform: ^ left hand: them. right hand: me.

21:45:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, anyone else who cares ^

21:47:33 asciilifeform: nubbins`: tooling charge is rolled into everything, sure

21:47:38 Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050687 < a fork by any other name... what's so hard about referencing blocksize in the contract?

21:47:38 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 21:14:18; danielpbarron: i could specify that it doesn't count as a fork if the resulting coin is still accepted by MPEx :p

21:47:51 asciilifeform: nubbins`: but very different from when you pay 500 usd per individual change in the layout.

21:48:27 nubbins`: re pics, nb!

21:49:20 nubbins`: i came across a picker/placer robot arm project recently that i meant to paste here

21:49:58 nubbins`: will literally never find it again

21:50:37 Adlai: ;;google zenrobotics

21:50:38 gribble: ZenRobotics: Product: http://www.zenrobotics.com/; Company | ZenRobotics: http://www.zenrobotics.com/company/; ZenRobotics - YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/ZenRobotics

21:55:03 danielpbarron: what's so hard about << I guess I care more about it being accepted by MPEx than I care about the blocksize

21:55:38 danielpbarron: that is, if MP says the blocksize needs to go up, then up it shall go!

21:57:17 davout: Adlai: because imo a one-off 2mb block size increase coin would be valued very differently from an exponential-growth block size coin

21:57:28 danielpbarron: not that i think this will ever be demanded, but there could other changes needed to avert catastrophe that depend on a fork

21:58:16 danielpbarron: especially when considering how messy the code apparently is

21:58:31 davout: Adlai: for such a thing to make sense it has to give the ability to short gavincoin into the dirt, nothing else

21:58:37 danielpbarron: sounds like the thing could accidentally fork at any moment

21:58:42 davout: lol

21:59:39 danielpbarron: ascii is right though, for the purpose of this gavincoin thing, specifying block size should be sufficient

21:59:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00033986 = 19.1341 BTC [+] {2}

22:00:19 danielpbarron: ah i see what davout is sayinng

22:00:33 danielpbarron: your exchange could have many different fork-coin options to trade

22:00:52 danielpbarron: "if there is a block bigger than X, Y, or Z

22:02:40 *: danielpbarron is still skeptical that there is any demand for USGavincoin

22:03:23 danielpbarron: when it's not that the deal isn't good enough, or that it's too hard to define, it becomes "can't trust you -- need to first invent smart contracts"

22:04:32 danielpbarron: "By developing software that does that and by assuring that we have enough block space to include all the rules. Why everything that you say has to be limited somehow? Why can't we have freedom to do whatever we want?"

22:05:26 davout: this one is magical

22:06:04 *: Adlai is reminded of #b-w the other day starting around https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2015-03-10/?msg=33809596&page=6

22:06:05 assbot: IRC Logs for #bitcoin-wizards | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1F58hY8 )

22:06:54 Adlai: if you really want to boost bitcoin's hashrate, why not organize a tx processing strike?

22:06:59 Adlai: (answer: because miners dgaf)

22:07:44 mircea_popescu: ugh.

22:07:51 mircea_popescu: so fucking stupid srlsy.

22:08:22 davout: mircea_popescu: Y U NO BLOCKCHAIN TECHNOLOGY???

22:09:18 mircea_popescu: Most of these folks simultaneously demand government programs to alleviate poverty and hunger, mass transit so the poor can get to where the good jobs are, and international aid to the Third World. In short they want structured, paternalistic programs that address needs defined by the intellectual elite. They are bitterly opposed to innovations that merely give the masses more goods, food, or money and leave the decisi

22:09:18 mircea_popescu: on making to individuals.

22:09:18 mircea_popescu: First, the money has to be taken by force from the wealthy. Voluntary contributions don't count. Taxation at a level that the wealthy will consent to doesn't count. Any approach that recognizes the wealthy as having rights is unsatisfactory. Even worse is any recognition of philanthropy and the idea that some of the wealthy have social consciences.

22:09:22 mircea_popescu: Second, the programs can only address needs defined by the intellectual elite. We won't provide cheaper cars; we'll force people to use mass transit. One volunteer aid group once did a study of Third World needs, concluded that one of the most pressing needs in Third World countries was transportation, then excluded automobiles from consideration because they felt that automobiles had a negative effect. When mass trans

22:09:27 mircea_popescu: it doesn't work in the low-density U.S., we'll try to compel people to live in higher density housing.

22:09:48 mircea_popescu: see, this is exactly adeuqate : these fuckwits are the exact prototype of the sterile "intellectual". they wish to matter, and they wish this mattering to happen through administrative measures.

22:09:55 mircea_popescu: so "why don't you organize a boycott"

22:10:03 mircea_popescu: "well... because i'm not a dickless dipsit, like you."

22:10:10 mircea_popescu: dipshit*

22:15:44 cazalla: Adlai: you've never had security at an event ask to open a bag/compartment, only to barely glance what was inside once open? <<< my first evar job was bag checker/door security at a retail store, i would ask to look in bag, they would open, i would nod and they'd walk out.. they might've easily walked in, filled up the bag and walked out with the goods because i sure as fuck didn't know

22:16:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149732 @ 0.00034058 = 50.9957 BTC [+] {4}

22:17:02 Adlai: but if they don't want to open the bag? game's over

22:18:17 mircea_popescu: Adlai i dunno, i told a schmucky kid once to mind his own business. nothing happened./

22:18:41 Adlai: how inconvenient

22:18:57 mircea_popescu: um ?

22:19:00 davout: cazalla: it's all theatre

22:19:21 Adlai: nm !

22:19:27 cazalla: Adlai, no-one ever objected and i imagine that to anyone who wanted to come steal socks and undies, i was a god send

22:19:53 Adlai: where was this? there are probably better targets for shoplifters who need to make a living

22:20:02 Adlai: oz?

22:20:03 mircea_popescu: some supermarket.

22:20:27 mircea_popescu: well... i also told the derpy organisers of some local "swinger's club" to get bent after they wanted the chick to check her clutch.

22:20:30 cazalla: Adlai, it was at store similar to target or kmart, but just clothing

22:20:32 mircea_popescu: wtf ever heard of such nonsense.

22:21:04 Adlai: there's something intoxicating about a position of power, even if it doesn't really mean anything

22:21:35 Adlai: especially when the intoxicated goon thinks it means the world

22:21:49 mircea_popescu: autoritah!

22:22:05 Adlai: dishiprin.

22:22:20 mircea_popescu: really, it's not about the position, it's about the scumbag. this is how you know vulgar folk in all times of places, that they're made of base metal : if put in charge they foul things up.

22:22:23 cazalla: Adlai, ah i never saw it as such, i was only placed at the door because i got the job as a result of nepotism and they had to put me somewhere hence first evar security guy for that shop lol

22:22:27 mircea_popescu: plenty of people do just fine in positions of authority.

22:23:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00033633 = 2.7579 BTC [-]

22:23:38 Adlai: cazalla: most tlv venues ranging from cafes to clubs, movie theaters to supermarkets - have 'somebody' at the door, generally with a pulse or an expression (rarely more than one), and this the

22:23:48 Adlai: * theater is accepted as 'security'

22:24:03 cazalla: i don't recall ever feeling it was a position of authority, more reminded of the fact i was nervous but at same time excited to get pocket money

22:24:33 Adlai: sure, the bit about authority was more >> 'wtf ever heard of such nonsense.'

22:26:44 trinque: heh, I was buying bulk tp at walmart recently and the door troll stopped me and tried to block my exit

22:27:01 trinque: "I did not steal toilet paper, you idiot." -> walked around her and out

22:27:15 trinque: she seemed shocked that this could be possible

22:27:30 nubbins`: she seemed shocked to learn that she doesn't have the authority to stop you? o.O

22:27:41 Adlai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1vKDM7wfiA

22:27:43 assbot: Respect my authoritah! (Compilation) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5dHT9 )

22:27:50 trinque: nubbins`: people are so goddamn polite around here, practically canadian

22:28:00 nubbins`: canadians are rude

22:28:01 Adlai: oh canada

22:28:01 cazalla: trinque, ya know, i didn't buy toilet paper for many years (use to take 1 or 2 rolls home from work each day)

22:28:27 trinque: cazalla: heh! I had a gf that would jack my tp from her work when I was 19; that's called having connections

22:28:39 nubbins`: it sure is

22:28:55 Adlai: ;;ud g i butt wipe

22:28:55 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=G.I.%20butt%20wipe | G.I. butt wipe. During World wars I and II,American foot soldiers were only issued about 10 individual squares of toilet paper to keep backpack weight and ...

22:29:03 cazalla: the cost of wiping your ass adds up

22:29:29 mircea_popescu: get a dog, will lick you clean for free.

22:29:47 trinque: lol

22:29:54 Adlai: that is wrong on so many levels, except the dog's

22:30:20 trinque: I've seen a dog devour cow turd after cow turd; a mere human ass is nothing

22:30:47 mircea_popescu: lol

22:30:53 cazalla: ya, that's why i don't understand how people can have their dogs or other animals inside the house

22:31:08 mircea_popescu: cazalla i knew a chick that actually loved her dog.

22:31:30 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i loved my dog too but she was a dog

22:31:36 mircea_popescu: aussies.

22:31:50 Adlai: !b 3

22:31:50 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3G2Q3WE.txt )

22:32:46 cazalla: said dog http://i.imgur.com/nqNNNvP.png made it to 16 years too, quite good for a staffy

22:32:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5eXFP )

22:33:08 mircea_popescu: eee

22:33:12 *: Adlai always imagined that an uncomfortable posture

22:33:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67900 @ 0.00034518 = 23.4377 BTC [+] {3}

22:33:25 mircea_popescu: you know that dog is practically saying "aussies..."

22:33:31 Adlai: twist your torso, now put all your upper body weight right on the twist!

22:35:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 130 @ 0.01099999 = 1.43 BTC [-] {2}

22:36:20 cazalla: mircea_popescu, despite not allowing her in the house, i am quite sensitive about my Lucy, so please don't be saying she had such a look :(

22:36:29 mircea_popescu: aw sorry!

22:36:40 mircea_popescu: just teasing you a little.

22:37:15 jurov: mod6 sorry, dns problem, fixed

22:37:40 mircea_popescu: wow! it actually happened that ppl complained about jurov's email thing and it actually was the case it was broken

22:37:46 mircea_popescu: i been waitin' for this...

22:38:02 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050798 <<< such life haxxor

22:38:02 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 22:28:01; cazalla: trinque, ya know, i didn't buy toilet paper for many years (use to take 1 or 2 rolls home from work each day)

22:38:19 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050804 <<< in romania, dog cleans you

22:38:19 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 22:29:29; mircea_popescu: get a dog, will lick you clean for free.

22:38:37 trinque: davout: next tier up is only shitting at work

22:38:41 trinque: at least on weekdays

22:38:56 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in france... http://41.media.tumblr.com/655c83b5213fb218ae4a102611225095/tumblr_n30s9xDvX81s8rc6go1_1280.jpg

22:38:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5gpIl )

22:39:02 cazalla: trinque, not of the class who waits until arriving home to do such things?

22:39:26 trinque: I self employ now, but the joke always was among friends to shit on the company dime

22:39:42 davout: mircea_popescu: notbad.jpg

22:39:43 trinque: so I guess I'm always shitting on the company dime these days

22:40:09 mircea_popescu: i fucking managed to find salt pickles.

22:40:20 mircea_popescu: such relish

22:41:00 Adlai: boss makes a dollar while i make a dime // that's why i shit on company time

22:41:17 trinque: !b 1

22:41:18 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2G2RHM9.txt )

22:41:22 trinque: that's the one

22:41:43 Adlai: bathroom poetry

22:42:19 Adlai: vandals carrying spraypaint, sure. but it always seemed a different breed of vandal to wander around with a sharpie

22:42:32 cazalla: easier to pretend to go on break with others who actually are on break (dependent on type of job of course)

22:44:31 davout: Adlai: so it should really be "boss makes a dollar while I make a dime, and a turd"

22:44:51 mircea_popescu: the turdime!

22:45:58 Adlai: better yet, run one of those bitcoin shit-ship-shops... just don't let corporate know you're doing materials r&d for the startup on the company clock

22:47:57 mircea_popescu: how do you think the extant ones are made ?

22:48:31 cazalla: quote from a coindesk article.. who is missing from the list of 5 twitter accounts? http://dpaste.com/0NSJG4T.txt

22:48:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5iROV )

22:48:39 davout: http://imgur.com/J5U3l1j <<< god knows what these little girls will sell for bitcoin once they turn 16

22:48:40 assbot: Little girls wearing google glasses selling cookies for bitcoin. This is Silicon Valley. - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5iV1a )

22:48:51 *: Adlai thinks of this every day, 3-4 times, while tesla wags his tail like he's cured parkworm

22:50:14 mircea_popescu: cazalla lmao nitwits.

22:50:45 mircea_popescu: cazalla and do they link to qntra or ?

22:50:56 cazalla: what do you think?

22:51:17 mircea_popescu: i think it sounds like a first best ever news site

22:53:14 cazalla: it's not that i mind that they mentioned other people part of a possible syndicate with silvey (which i didn't include in article as no proof of this anyway) but least they could do is admit that yeah, we followed it back from the avatar after having read about it on qntra

22:53:43 Adlai: they're just recycling http://blog.cryptocrumb.com/2015/03/fbi-silk-road-auction-of-march-2015.html although ferrin doesn't mention Steve Youngblood

22:53:44 assbot: Crypto Crumbs: FBI Silk Road Auction of March 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5k8pd )

22:54:36 Adlai: but everybody knows steve youngblood right guise?

23:14:53 jurov: ;;ticker

23:14:54 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 295.51, Best ask: 295.68, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 295.7, 24 hour volume: 27046.72490813, 24 hour low: 291.04, 24 hour high: 298.8, 24 hour vwap: None

23:18:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00033633 = 21.5251 BTC [-]

23:19:06 jurov: ;;ticker --currency EUR --market all

23:19:22 gribble: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 278.22547, vol: 8229.45591540 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 279.3, vol: 122.00342 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 276.313023, vol: 138319.96870000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 278.0, vol: 84.6419943 | Volume-weighted last average: 276.423721036

23:20:20 jurov: ;;calc 290/278

23:20:20 gribble: 1.04316546763

23:30:22 chetty: insomnia treatment: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf

23:30:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cb8Dh0 )

23:36:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9966 @ 0.00033633 = 3.3519 BTC [-]

23:38:26 davout: chetty: looked at the page count, felt sleepy

23:38:56 jurov: i scrolled into the middle, saw fotnote number 1216 O.o

23:39:03 jurov: *footnote

23:39:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198450 @ 0.0003323 = 65.9449 BTC [-] {6}

23:54:09 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050355 see classic essay ont he subject: https://www.peereboom.us/assl/assl/html/openssl.html

23:54:09 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 19:29:16; mircea_popescu: the only solution is to pull in the relevant code and encase it in acrylate.

23:56:04 jurov: in short, we're standing on the shoulders of monkeys