Transcript for 12-03-2017, 43 lines:
14:39:18 assbot: 7 results for 'https://github.com/adlai/scalpl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fadlai%2Fscalpl
14:39:36 Framedragger: just discovered accidentally, you still working on this adlai?
14:39:51 Framedragger: or, is anyone using/trying this?
15:14:06 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2017#1467849 << d00d had plenty of code, but on examination it was ~worthless. the linked example, for instance, REQUIRES prb !
15:15:30 Framedragger: so basically any tool which tells something about bitcoin but by default interfaces with "prb" is worthless..
15:16:37 asciilifeform: it ain't 'by default', but by design
15:17:15 asciilifeform: and is worthless because it includes no actual bitcointronic routines, offloads all of the mechanical work
15:17:23 Framedragger: (all part of the intricate usg scheme to subvert trb i'm sure)
15:17:37 asciilifeform: Framedragger: just lazy man's usual doom
15:19:02 asciilifeform: fact is , that thing won't run in my house, and NEVER will, and cannot be fixed so that it will, what am i to call it other than worthless.
15:20:57 Framedragger: asciilifeform: no, that part i understand - worthless for you, sure.
15:21:48 asciilifeform: Framedragger: and propagates the use of prb, and the notion that the contents of a prb box are somehow authoritatively 'bitcoin', and thereby sucks gavin's cock.
15:23:30 Framedragger: asciilifeform: this brings up something i could not reconcile in own head. given that the vast, vast majority of bitcoin network is according to you not bitcoin, why work on trb and not trb-i? why try to fix corpse, knowing that the end result won't be adopted by 'all the gavins'?
15:23:50 asciilifeform: Framedragger: this is in the logs
15:23:52 Framedragger: if trb won't be adopted by prb'ers, why not make sane trb-i.
15:24:42 asciilifeform: Framedragger: no gap is to exist.
15:25:19 Framedragger: asciilifeform: 'no gap'? but there'll be a gap when prb does something trb doesn't approve
15:25:25 Framedragger: inevitably.
15:25:38 asciilifeform: and neither i nor afaik any of the others gives half a fuck re 'adoption'
15:26:21 Framedragger: asciilifeform: and so if there's no fuck given re adoption, why work on shitty-trb with shit-crypto and shit-legacy-code, then? sorry i'm being obnoxious, maybe it is in the logs, but i genuinely don't understand.
15:26:24 asciilifeform: see mp's 'i will pay $700 per trb coin , hell or high water' remark.
15:26:34 Framedragger: "mp's coins are in bitcoin" is one explanation i guess
15:26:52 Framedragger: mhm.
15:31:19 asciilifeform: Framedragger: the other thing re trbi is that it cannot exist as anything but a ~fallback~ to proper bitcoin
15:32:29 asciilifeform: there is presently and in foreseeable future, no reason for any sane bitcoinist to move to an alt -- no matter how beautifully designed
15:32:37 Framedragger: asciilifeform: do you mean in the sense that it'd have to be a fork of trb blockchain, and not start from genesis block?
15:32:53 Framedragger: or not even a fork?
15:33:03 asciilifeform: because , mainly , every alt is forever guilty until proven innocent of being a get-rich scheme by author
15:33:19 Framedragger: yes, i can see that, hm.
15:33:22 asciilifeform: and at any bitcoin cannot move, it is lost unless you find 'greater fool'
15:33:31 asciilifeform: *at any rate
15:34:02 asciilifeform: Framedragger: a trbi definitionally cannot be a bitcoin fork
15:34:13 asciilifeform: that would mean including bitcoin algos.
15:35:27 Framedragger: ..unless one concocts some kind of frankensteinian 'container' scheme where trbi transactions can contain arbitrary data which may as well be olde bitcoin tx, and bitcoin users can verify internal-bitcoin-tx integrity.. but i feel dirty even writing this
15:36:02 asciilifeform: Framedragger: see why nobody's in a particular hurry to trbi? it'd only be of any use if ~bitcoin dies~ ! and said death will be ~enormously~ destructive, whether or not there is a parachute.
15:36:24 Framedragger: yeah, i guess so.