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00:01:18 kakobrekla: small fix

00:01:50 kakobrekla: i think we are good nao

00:05:21 artifexd: !up benkay

00:05:21 assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.

00:05:28 artifexd: !down benkay

00:05:35 artifexd: Hmm....

00:05:40 artifexd: !up benkay

00:05:40 assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.

00:05:56 benkay: feature's still around, kakobrekla

00:06:48 kakobrekla: hold on

00:07:05 benkay: okay so more gpg derpery

00:07:25 benkay: got a master key, got a signing subkey

00:08:15 benkay: i push master key id/pubkey to keyservers?

00:08:29 benkay: then signing key?

00:08:36 benkay: then point gribble at the signing key?

00:08:51 benkay: or the master key?

00:09:24 benkay: mircea_popescu pankkake ping

00:11:14 pankkake: if you push the master key id it will push everything, at least by default

00:11:46 benkay: send-keys seems to fail for some reason

00:12:06 pankkake: and you give gribble the master key id. however, you can then sign/decrypt with the other keys by themselves

00:12:36 kakobrekla: ah i see what the problem is

00:13:12 benkay: mkay lets try this again...

00:13:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29284 @ 0.00096801 = 28.3472 BTC [+] {5}

00:13:34 pankkake: perhaps you have a wrong keyserver in the config

00:15:05 benkay: keys.gnupg.net?

00:15:12 benkay: no, it's pushing correctly - my mistake.

00:15:28 pankkake: https://sks-keyservers.net/

00:15:30 ozbot: SKS Keyservers

00:15:36 pankkake: I'm falling asleep, nighty night

00:16:00 benkay: fuck everything gpg says my sig is fine fuck you gribble

00:16:19 benkay: night pankkake

00:16:34 pankkake: if you just pushed, it might take a while for it to appear in all the servers

00:17:21 benkay: i'll give it a few, thanks, pankkake

00:20:20 kakobrekla: !up mike_c

00:20:20 assbot: Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.

00:20:44 kakobrekla: !up benkay

00:20:44 assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.

00:20:49 kakobrekla: wtff

00:20:51 kakobrekla: no.

00:20:55 mike_c: ;;echo drunk in production

00:21:12 BingoBoingo: ?If you pay $7,500, you ought to be able to bring out a quesadilla,? Miller said.

00:21:54 kakobrekla: !up assbot

00:21:54 assbot: Can't do that, kakobrekla.

00:22:00 kakobrekla: !up benkay

00:22:00 assbot: kakobrekla, benkay is already voiced.

00:22:04 kakobrekla: !up benkay

00:22:04 assbot: kakobrekla, benkay is already voiced.

00:22:51 BingoBoingo: !down benkay

00:22:51 assbot: Can't do that, BingoBoingo.

00:24:46 benkay: !down benkay

00:24:46 assbot: Can't do that, benkay.

00:24:50 benkay: !up benkay

00:24:50 assbot: benkay, benkay is already voiced.

00:25:10 benkay: !up gribble

00:25:10 assbot: Can't do that, benkay.

00:25:16 benkay: ;;ticker

00:25:25 kakobrekla: lel

00:36:40 kakobrekla: benkay do !up on pvt

00:38:15 benkay: kakobrekla: done

00:38:20 benkay: !up kakobrekla

00:38:20 assbot: Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.

00:38:31 kakobrekla: i dont cunt

00:38:36 kakobrekla: !up benkay

00:38:36 assbot: Can't do that, kakobrekla.

00:38:41 benkay: huehuehue

00:38:43 artifexd: !up benkay

00:38:43 assbot: Can't do that, artifexd.

00:38:48 kakobrekla: good

00:38:51 artifexd: !down benkay

00:38:51 assbot: artifexd, benkay is not voiced.

00:38:52 benkay: !up artifexd

00:38:52 assbot: Can't do that, benkay.

00:38:57 benkay: !down artifexed

00:38:57 assbot: benkay, artifexed is not voiced.

00:39:10 kakobrekla: what.

00:39:14 benkay: funny, why do i get to up kako?

00:39:16 kakobrekla: ok more fail

00:39:18 benkay: !down kakobrekla

00:39:22 benkay: !up ka

00:39:22 assbot: Voicing ka for 30 minutes.

00:39:24 benkay: !up kakobrekla

00:39:24 assbot: Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.

00:39:32 benkay: dem edge cases

00:39:52 kakobrekla: what is happening to me is ok

00:39:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00096337 = 11.6568 BTC [-]

00:39:59 kakobrekla: i wasnt authed by assbot

00:40:01 kakobrekla: yet

00:40:15 kakobrekla: now i am

00:40:22 kakobrekla: try to down

00:40:22 kakobrekla: me

00:40:30 artifexd: !down kakobrekla

00:40:30 assbot: Can't do that, artifexd.

00:40:36 artifexd: !up kakobrekla

00:40:36 assbot: artifexd, kakobrekla is already voiced.

00:40:48 kakobrekla: !up benkay

00:40:48 assbot: Can't do that, kakobrekla.

00:40:52 artifexd: !up benkay

00:40:52 assbot: Can't do that, artifexd.

00:40:52 kakobrekla: meh

00:40:58 kakobrekla: something is up with benkay .

00:41:03 artifexd: !down kakobrekla

00:41:03 assbot: Can't do that, artifexd.

00:41:29 artifexd: Seems like it is working fine.

00:41:36 kakobrekla: i dunno

00:41:38 mircea_popescu: !up mircea_popescu

00:41:38 assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.

00:41:44 mircea_popescu: aww, that went away huh ?

00:41:48 kakobrekla: yea

00:41:54 mircea_popescu: awell

00:42:01 artifexd: benkay is already voiced so I can't up him, right?

00:42:16 kakobrekla: !down benkay

00:42:16 assbot: kakobrekla, benkay is not voiced.

00:42:20 kakobrekla: ^^

00:42:26 kakobrekla: stupid assbot

00:42:31 artifexd: !down ArtyFact

00:42:31 assbot: artifexd, ArtyFact is not voiced.

00:42:43 artifexd: !down mircea_popescu

00:42:43 assbot: artifexd, mircea_popescu is not voiced.

00:42:52 mircea_popescu: ha-ha!

00:43:02 kakobrekla: yea yea ill debug

00:43:19 mircea_popescu: i totaly loved the fact that one could voice self thus becoming vulnerable to devoicing by others.

00:43:55 artifexd: But you didn't like that one could be revoiced by others thus becoming vulnerable to devoicing by others?

00:44:03 asciilifeform: that was neat, bring it back kako

00:44:18 mircea_popescu: artifexd correct.

00:44:22 kakobrekla: selfpwning?

00:44:31 benkay: selfpwning is great.

00:44:32 mircea_popescu: selfpwning should be allowed.

00:44:46 kakobrekla: you guise are unserial

00:45:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5945 = 1.189 BTC [-]

00:45:07 benkay: serialized to the wire

00:45:16 mircea_popescu: unreals

00:46:49 kakobrekla: i might do another reboot later on.

00:50:10 benkay: kakobrekla: can you get gribble voiced in here in the meantime?

00:50:19 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/

00:50:24 mircea_popescu: !up gribble

00:50:24 assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.

00:50:29 mircea_popescu: o.o

00:50:42 mircea_popescu: !up Duffer1

00:50:42 assbot: Voicing Duffer1 for 30 minutes.

00:54:37 mircea_popescu: benkay dat 2fa thing. wow.

00:55:12 benkay: whattabout it?

00:55:12 asciilifeform: jurov: http://fraudsters.com/2014/mpexrfc1/#comment-98982 << i must note that i can't stop a determined idiot from pulling his ROM and stowing the key somewhere

00:55:31 mircea_popescu: benkay srsly, social engineering attack, emptied wallet ?

00:55:36 Duffer1: ni hao?

00:55:39 mircea_popescu: ppl won't read.

00:55:50 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 you gotta id with gribble and pm assbot !up

00:56:11 benkay: what 2fa thing are we talking about? that which my boys decrappified or the blockchain 2fa breach?

00:56:32 mircea_popescu: latter.

00:56:43 benkay: kinda unreal, right?

00:56:52 mircea_popescu: yea.

00:56:52 benkay: gulag?

00:57:06 mircea_popescu: we have a security feature which we'll turn off.

00:57:12 mircea_popescu: it's secure in the sense of... um...

00:57:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06201312 = 0.3101 BTC [-]

00:57:36 mircea_popescu: "my gf would never cheat on me. unless someone asked her to, of course."

00:59:03 Duffer1: thanks for the heads up mircea i'll check it out after i get something to eat

00:59:47 benkay: that's what happened.

00:59:57 benkay: blockchain owes the poor doctors in a big way.

01:01:02 mircea_popescu: how much are they out anyway ?

01:03:40 benkay: 143.94

01:03:46 benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-tragedy-of-remote-hands-canadian-bitcoins-robbed-of-14394.html

01:03:59 benkay: doh no not that

01:04:50 benkay: mircea_popescu: "almost 23.5"

01:05:10 benkay: almost an mpex seat lol

01:05:57 mircea_popescu: sux.

01:08:12 kakobrekla: hm

01:08:29 kakobrekla: why is chanserv so evil

01:09:04 benkay: cuz freenode

01:09:07 benkay: ;;lasers

01:09:07 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

01:09:15 benkay: ha neat

01:10:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00095967 = 4.6064 BTC [-] {2}

01:12:01 gribble: !up nanotube

01:12:01 assbot: Can't do that, gribble.

01:12:45 kakobrekla: bah

01:12:53 gribble: kakobrekla mircea_popescu nice re assbot and voice stuff. :)

01:13:27 kakobrekla: apparently freenode will force devoice when you change nicks

01:13:34 kakobrekla: i didnt know that, neeed to change some things.

01:13:40 gribble: how does one gain voice without having it, though? can't send !up t channel.

01:13:41 kakobrekla: thanks gribble

01:13:57 kakobrekla: !up on pm or !up <nick> on chan

01:13:57 assbot: Voicing on for 30 minutes.

01:14:02 kakobrekla: o cmon.

01:14:47 gribble: ah up in pm, ic.

01:17:35 benkay: ;;lasers

01:17:35 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

01:17:39 benkay: still works!

01:19:12 mircea_popescu: nanotube you send it via pm

01:19:31 mircea_popescu: !up nanotube

01:19:31 assbot: Voicing nanotube for 30 minutes.

01:19:42 mircea_popescu: !up cgcardona_

01:19:42 assbot: Voicing cgcardona_ for 30 minutes.

01:19:57 cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: :-] thank you sir

01:20:15 mircea_popescu: sure

01:20:22 nanotube: mircea_popescu, yea kakobrekla already told me. :) cool stuff.

01:20:58 mircea_popescu: it seems very clever, im curious if it'll end in tears

01:21:39 mircea_popescu: !up KRS-1

01:21:39 assbot: Voicing KRS-1 for 30 minutes.

01:24:10 artifexd: Is the wot chain examined once and cached forever (or X amount of time) or each time someone issues an up command?

01:24:32 mircea_popescu: artifexd i imagine assbot queries gribble, which caches for about half a minute iirc.

01:26:16 artifexd: Ok. I was wondering about if someone gets rated, such that he/she can self-voice, and then turns out to be an asshat, will unrating them remove their self-voicing ability.

01:26:55 mircea_popescu: pretty sure, but voice stays with the session

01:27:53 KRS-1: thx

01:27:56 artifexd: Seems the logical approach.

01:28:12 mircea_popescu: you in the wot KRS-1 ?

01:28:30 mircea_popescu: artifexd tbh i suspect this is more of an anti-derpage measure than an anti-asshat measure

01:28:51 KRS-1: yea but i lost my damned key when my life got turned upside down recently..been going through some shit personally

01:29:02 mircea_popescu: that sucks

01:29:08 KRS-1: wondering when its going to f'n stop

01:32:31 benkay: i wonder if there's a critical mass in here to keep conversational inertia

01:32:34 asciilifeform: i often wonder when people will succumb to the temptation to... implant their keys.

01:32:46 KRS-1: what happens to my abortioned wot account

01:32:59 cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: the other day you mentioned w/ regards to reincarnation/afterlife/nirvana having people hash by hand until they find a block. I've been thinking about that. I'm guessing the difficulty would be based on their overall level of derpage?

01:33:53 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ many years ago, towards the end of training this english major / drama girl how to math, she had to do multiplications, 10 digit by 10 digit

01:34:06 mircea_popescu: pen on paper. she could go through a few dozen befpre falling over

01:34:11 mircea_popescu: that'd be just about enough for... one hash.

01:34:26 KRS-1: might as well rely on intuition or magic.

01:34:40 mircea_popescu: KRS-1 did you also have a btc addy registered ?

01:35:06 KRS-1: yes im pretty sure

01:35:23 mircea_popescu: benkay s/mass/ass!

01:35:38 mircea_popescu: KRS-1 then you can just log with the btc addy and reg a new gpg key.

01:35:50 KRS-1: ok

01:35:51 mircea_popescu: prolly should do that asap, too, before you also lose the key

01:36:01 mircea_popescu: the addy i mean.

01:36:32 KRS-1: mircea_popescu did you patch your ssl

01:36:54 mircea_popescu: nope

01:37:23 KRS-1: what did jurov say anything? its pretty important

01:38:46 mircea_popescu: KRS-1 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2014#609785

01:38:51 mircea_popescu: and afaik jurov patched it.

01:40:05 KRS-1: oh good

01:40:09 mircea_popescu: !up dub

01:40:09 assbot: Voicing dub for 30 minutes.

01:40:40 mircea_popescu: dub : id with gribble and pm assbot !up

01:40:45 dub: !up G's

01:40:45 assbot: Can't do that, dub.

01:40:51 dub: !down Ho's

01:40:51 assbot: dub, Ho's is not voiced.

01:40:59 benkay: oh you

01:41:04 mircea_popescu: lol

01:41:06 benkay: hey everyone half a minute of your attention

01:41:08 benkay: ;;ident

01:41:08 gribble: Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None

01:41:13 benkay: ^^ new key

01:41:14 dub: cbf spinning up vm to auth

01:41:31 mircea_popescu: benkay what happened ot the old one

01:41:31 benkay: signed statement regarding keys: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_names-keys.html

01:41:43 benkay: absolutely nothing.

01:41:58 mircea_popescu: no way ?! vulpe being fox in romanian

01:42:01 mircea_popescu: !up AndrewJackson

01:42:01 assbot: Voicing AndrewJackson for 30 minutes.

01:42:19 benkay: and if anyone cares to stare at my ugly mug, http://cascadianhacker.com/about.html

01:42:51 mircea_popescu: we were looking forward for teh lady vulpes

01:42:58 benkay: may i improve your experience in any way before i jet over to the parents to make my little brother's new girlfriend exceedingly uncomfortable?

01:43:02 benkay: you've seen plenty of her, mircea_popescu

01:43:37 mircea_popescu: lol who are we to stand in the way of the disconfort of your little brother's gf.

01:44:06 benkay: ye've a few minutes yet

01:44:08 mircea_popescu: also i wonder what level btc must reach for benkay to afford windows.

01:44:21 benkay: 2mil

01:44:47 mircea_popescu: that halfway dirty cloth thing...

01:44:54 mircea_popescu: i mean the rooflessness i can see, it's for the hairdo

01:45:25 mircea_popescu: in other news : http://szabo.best.vwh.net/seals.html szabo is a pleasure to read, like an encyclopedia.

01:46:30 mircea_popescu: lmao

01:46:31 benkay: har as if lady v would tolerate such inadequate drapes

01:46:49 mircea_popescu: !up [\\\]

01:46:49 assbot: Voicing [\\\] for 30 minutes.

01:46:55 [\]: the bot is shit

01:46:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Ross Anderson's 'security engineering' ch. 14 'seals.'

01:46:57 mircea_popescu: funnily, here it works

01:47:02 [\]: #justsayin

01:47:05 asciilifeform: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SEv2-c14.pdf

01:47:13 [\]: it didin't work as assbot_sucks either

01:47:14 asciilifeform: (yes pdf)

01:47:28 [\]: [2014/04/11 20:45:59] <assbot_sucks> !up

01:47:28 [\]: [2014/04/11 20:46:01] <assbot> You must auth with gribble first.

01:47:34 [\]: [2014/04/11 20:46:16] <assbot_sucks> !up

01:47:34 [\]: [2014/04/11 20:46:17] <assbot> You must auth with gribble first.

01:47:46 [\]: but I was auth'd the whole time

01:47:52 mircea_popescu: ;;ident [\\\]

01:47:52 gribble: Error: "\\\" is not a valid command.

01:47:56 [\]: heh

01:47:57 mircea_popescu: well...

01:47:59 [\]: ;;ident

01:47:59 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick '[\\\]', with hostmask '[\\\]!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM

01:48:01 [\]: well

01:48:01 mircea_popescu: which bot.

01:48:05 [\]: learn to escape

01:48:24 [\]: ;;ident "[\\\\\\]"

01:48:25 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick '[\\\]', with hostmask '[\\\]!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM

01:48:30 mircea_popescu: actually the hostmask is borked

01:48:39 [\]: its been borked

01:48:44 [\]: doesn't affect my auth

01:48:52 [\]: your bot doesn't handle special characters

01:48:54 [\]: thats a security issue

01:49:19 mircea_popescu: [\\\] it's not my bot unless it did something cool. otherwise it's kakobrekla's. and moreover, it'd seem gribble passes it an error.

01:49:47 [\]: mircea_popescu: you're missing the point

01:49:55 mircea_popescu: no

01:49:56 [\]: my nick as assbot_sucks, but auth'd was failing too

01:49:58 mircea_popescu: i am ESCAPING the point

01:50:04 benkay: ouch

01:50:09 mircea_popescu: :D

01:50:11 [\]: which has nothing to do with [\\\]

01:50:24 assbot_sucks: ;;ident

01:50:25 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'assbot_sucks', with hostmask 'assbot_sucks!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM

01:50:25 assbot_sucks: see

01:50:27 assbot_sucks: !up

01:50:27 assbot: Need a nickname, assbot_sucks.

01:50:32 assbot_sucks: haha

01:50:33 kakobrekla: ;;gettrust [\\\]

01:50:33 gribble: Error: "\\\" is not a valid command.

01:50:34 mircea_popescu: it fails if yor ident doesn't match your nick

01:50:41 kakobrekla: ;;gettrust "[\\\]"

01:50:41 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user [\\]: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=%5B%5C%5C%5D | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=%5B%5C%5C%5D | Rated since: never

01:50:42 assbot_sucks: mircea_popescu: silly.

01:50:50 assbot_sucks: kakobrekla: you gotta escape mang

01:50:54 benkay: mircea_popescu: the reason for debian gpg instructions is that the default gnupg keygen process creates a key that decrypts only

01:50:54 kakobrekla: ok so apparently adding quotes hapls if you have a retarded nickname

01:50:57 assbot_sucks: "[\\\\\\]"

01:51:04 assbot_sucks: escape the slashes retardedly

01:51:09 kakobrekla: i will.

01:51:27 benkay: entering 'expert mode' is req'd apparently to get a xor'd key

01:51:33 mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be easier to just ban imsa ?

01:51:38 kakobrekla: yea

01:51:41 kakobrekla: stop hiding imsa

01:51:43 kakobrekla: we know its you

01:51:48 assbot_sucks: it isn't hiding.

01:51:51 assbot_sucks: ;;ident

01:51:52 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'assbot_sucks', with hostmask 'assbot_sucks!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM

01:52:22 Blazedout419: ugh reading bitcoin-assets.com...then browsing all the sites makes me feel stupid

01:52:23 mircea_popescu: and if you nick to imsaguy and up then nick to slash does it devoice ?

01:52:32 mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 why ?

01:52:46 [\]: because half of them are shit

01:52:47 Blazedout419: Never traded much before

01:53:03 Blazedout419: I do not even know the terminology

01:53:13 kakobrekla: ok wtf why doesnt it devoice

01:53:13 [\]: Blazedout419: thats why you pay people

01:53:14 mircea_popescu: so you learn.

01:53:18 Blazedout419: No swap

01:53:21 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/

01:53:22 kakobrekla: this is fckd.

01:53:24 mircea_popescu: holy shit this has even odds ?

01:53:25 Blazedout419: .5 - 1 pip spread

01:53:26 [\]: kakobrekla: probably same breakage?

01:53:30 kakobrekla: no

01:53:36 Blazedout419: I shall learn indeed

01:53:37 [\]: oh, then dunno

01:53:38 kakobrekla: except if chanserv is broked

01:53:43 mircea_popescu: !up ozbot

01:53:43 assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.

01:53:45 [\]: no, chanserv handles fine

01:53:57 kakobrekla: cause when i change nick when voiced, it devoices me

01:54:00 [\]: aww, ozbot is bannished

01:54:12 kakobrekla: which is wtf

01:54:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC

01:54:23 [\]: oh, because of the protected users?

01:54:26 [\]: channel setting

01:54:46 kakobrekla: channel setting? we are on same channel

01:55:09 [\]: What is failing? the bot not devoicing when you switch nicks?

01:58:48 mircea_popescu: i would if he were here.

01:58:48 [\]: it was secureops

01:58:58 mircea_popescu: secureops is still there innit ?!

01:59:00 [\]: but according to chanserv, its no thre anymore

01:59:08 [\]: not there*

01:59:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4895 @ 0.00096366 = 4.7171 BTC [+]

01:59:44 kakobrekla: so whats the catch

02:00:01 [\]: try /cs set #bitcoin-assets secure off

02:00:44 kakobrekla: its not some chanserv flags ... ?

02:00:51 [\]: help references only op and halfop, but freenode really doesn't have halfop

02:00:56 [\]: so I'm guessing its playing with voice

02:01:23 [\]: voice yourself

02:01:24 benkay: lady v and i are off to the rye, champagne, and discomfort of the budding youth!

02:01:33 [\]: !up kakobrekla

02:01:33 assbot: Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.

02:01:36 benkay: adieu fair folks

02:01:55 [\]: now the rename for the win

02:02:59 [\]: I'd say ask in #freenode, but you're likely to get helped by a bunch of overachievers that doen't know the real answer

02:05:30 [\]: lol

02:05:35 kakobrekla: [\\\] yes it does something on rename

02:05:56 [\]: kakobrekla, I think its assbot doing a /cs devoice

02:05:57 kakobrekla: anyway this is fucked.

02:06:05 kakobrekla: nah

02:06:07 [\]: I don't think its something chanserv is doing on its own

02:06:21 mircea_popescu: lemme try in #fraudsters.

02:06:24 kakobrekla: !down [\\\]

02:06:24 assbot: kakobrekla, [\\\] is not voiced.

02:06:29 kakobrekla: aha.

02:06:35 [\]: same breakage

02:06:36 kakobrekla: besides that.

02:07:01 kakobrekla: dafuq

02:07:02 [\]: yeah, its assbot

02:07:06 mircea_popescu: * ChanServ gives channel operator status to mircea_popescu

02:07:07 mircea_popescu: * mircea_popescu gives voice to mircea_popescu

02:07:07 mircea_popescu: * You are now known as mircea_popescu1

02:07:07 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu1> ha. it didn't devoice me.

02:07:07 mircea_popescu: * You are now known as mircea_popescu

02:07:08 kakobrekla: so its only me

02:07:09 mircea_popescu: it must be assbot.

02:07:13 kakobrekla: no

02:07:14 kakobrekla: its me

02:07:16 mircea_popescu: ah

02:07:29 kakobrekla: dunno how or why but yea

02:07:37 mircea_popescu: bug in client ?

02:08:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59012389 BTC [-]

02:08:26 kakobrekla: i suspect something else, but its just a hunch

02:09:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.588 = 1.176 BTC [-] {2}

02:09:04 [\]: doh

02:09:08 mircea_popescu: !up imsaguy

02:09:08 assbot: Voicing imsaguy for 30 minutes.

02:09:14 [\]: !up "[\\\\\\]"

02:09:14 assbot: Voicing "[\\\\\\]" for 30 minutes.

02:09:23 [\]: !down "[\\\\\\

02:09:23 assbot: [\\\], "[\\\\\\ is not voiced.

02:09:27 [\]: !down "[\\\\\\"

02:09:27 assbot: [\\\], "[\\\\\\" is not voiced.

02:09:29 kakobrekla: [\\\] !up should work now in pvt

02:09:36 kakobrekla: try it

02:09:40 [\]: !down "[\\\\\\]"

02:09:40 assbot: Can't do that, [\\\].

02:09:51 mircea_popescu: !down [\\\]

02:09:51 assbot: mircea_popescu, [\\\] is not voiced.

02:09:54 [\]: lol

02:10:00 mircea_popescu: sheit.

02:10:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585 BTC [-]

02:10:05 [\]: hold on

02:10:43 mircea_popescu: listen to the sound

02:10:46 mircea_popescu: of silence

02:10:56 kakobrekla: theres a couple of things broken yea

02:11:01 kakobrekla: but at leat mp can yapp

02:11:58 kakobrekla: interfuckin with irc is not really clean.

02:13:15 kakobrekla: !up [\\\]

02:13:15 assbot: Voicing [\\\] for 30 minutes.

02:20:37 mircea_popescu: !up KRS-1

02:20:37 assbot: Voicing KRS-1 for 30 minutes.

02:21:27 KRS-1: ;;seen vexual

02:21:28 gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat

02:38:16 mircea_popescu: !up TestingUnoDosTre

02:38:16 assbot: Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.

02:38:23 TestingUnoDosTre: hey yo

02:38:26 TestingUnoDosTre: how does this work

02:38:42 mircea_popescu: you id with gribble and pm assbot !up

02:39:03 TestingUnoDosTre: id with gribble - is this a command?

02:39:05 mircea_popescu: same goes to Duffer1 :D

02:39:17 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre you not in the wot ?

02:39:22 TestingUnoDosTre: negatron

02:39:25 Blazedout419: ;;guide

02:39:25 gribble: Error: "guide" is not a valid command.

02:39:28 mircea_popescu: tsk.

02:39:28 Blazedout419: wha

02:39:35 TestingUnoDosTre: I know I know

02:39:36 Blazedout419: must be OTC only

02:39:40 Blazedout419: ;;turtle

02:39:40 gribble: Error: "turtle" is not a valid command.

02:39:41 mircea_popescu: ;;google thedrinkingrecord gpg guide

02:39:41 gribble: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/

02:43:26 mircea_popescu: !up xdotcommer

02:43:26 assbot: Voicing xdotcommer for 30 minutes.

02:43:34 mircea_popescu: !up joesmoe

02:43:34 assbot: Voicing joesmoe for 30 minutes.

02:43:54 kakobrekla: bah

02:44:00 kakobrekla: i will need to rewrite this. tomorrow.

02:44:13 mircea_popescu: is it your client after all ?

02:44:43 kakobrekla: that i dunno and i doubt

02:45:09 kakobrekla: but i found some issues and i will redo the thing.

02:45:16 TestingUnoDosTre: can I PM people to up me if I haven't been upped?

02:45:22 mircea_popescu: yup

02:45:47 TestingUnoDosTre: goooooood goooood

02:47:15 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` and so i pass the torch of upping noobs to you, for i am old and tired

02:47:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:47:46 TestingUnoDosTre: hey woh, no need for harsh language

02:49:57 TestingUnoDosTre: can I register just with a password until I get my key http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ?

02:52:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00096132 = 12.1126 BTC [-] {2}

03:57:03 mike_c: phew, i jumped the hurdles.

03:58:02 mike_c: for the record, i first tried "!up mike_c" and got a cryptic error message from assbot. must do just "!up"

04:21:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7916 @ 0.00097098 = 7.6863 BTC [+] {2}

04:28:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.00097209 = 1.9928 BTC [+]

04:38:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 335 @ 0.00068998 = 0.2311 BTC [+] {2}

04:49:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.049 = 0.147 BTC [+] {2}

04:52:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 331 @ 0.00068999 = 0.2284 BTC [+]

04:59:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8984 @ 0.00097209 = 8.7333 BTC [+]

05:06:00 artifexd: Hmm... nickserv won't let me change my nick to ┗(°0°)┛

05:11:38 Duffer1: .bait

05:13:48 artifexd: !up ozbot

05:13:48 assbot: Can't do that, artifexd.

05:14:34 Duffer1: !up pankkake

05:14:34 assbot: Voicing pankkake for 30 minutes.

05:15:05 Duffer1: just testing

05:15:14 Duffer1: !down pankkake

05:15:21 Duffer1: mm excellent

05:24:06 fluffypony: artifexd: so change it to to-da-mooooon instead?

05:24:24 artifexd: Eh

05:24:37 artifexd: Doesn't have the same effect

05:24:41 fluffypony: true

05:25:53 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/4QjPw3D.png

05:25:58 fluffypony: well then

05:27:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0495 = 0.1485 BTC [+] {2}

05:28:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.034 = 0.102 BTC [-]

05:28:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0495 = 0.1485 BTC [+]

05:28:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]

05:36:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00564186 = 0.4513 BTC [-] {9}

05:43:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC

05:47:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1320 @ 0.00014513 = 0.1916 BTC [-] {5}

06:03:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2142 @ 0.000061 = 0.1307 BTC [-]

06:04:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 104 @ 0.0016 = 0.1664 BTC [-] {2}

06:04:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59486385 BTC [+]

06:05:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 272 @ 0.00068999 = 0.1877 BTC [+]

06:05:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.00579668 = 0.3652 BTC [+] {2}

06:16:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 716 @ 0.00019989 = 0.1431 BTC [+]

06:26:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0659997 = 0.264 BTC [+]

06:27:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0659998 = 0.462 BTC [+]

06:31:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00097237 = 4.8619 BTC [+]

07:23:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04974249 = 0.199 BTC [+] {3}

07:47:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

09:02:17 jurov: whoa now the chan is also secret?

09:05:35 fluffypony: secret = doesn't show up in /list ?

09:05:54 fluffypony: private = doesn't show up in whois unless you're on the same channel as the user you're whois'ing ?

09:12:46 pankkake: most freenode channels are +s, might be a default

09:13:27 fluffypony: yeah I think so

09:13:34 fluffypony: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/defusedxml

09:13:37 fluffypony: "It's just XML, what could probably go wrong?"

09:14:34 jurov: i only hope there is no such feature in json

09:14:52 fluffypony: no there isn't

09:15:08 fluffypony: JSON is an actual data store, XML can't decide if it's a data store or a language

09:15:17 pankkake: json is safe. beware of its cousin yaml though

09:15:33 Anduck: +s is default, yes

09:15:39 Anduck: why did i have to !up again?

09:16:14 jurov: cuz gribble deauthed you?

09:16:22 Anduck: let's see..

09:16:31 jurov: but assbot is still buggy, too

09:16:32 Anduck: nope, i am authed

09:16:39 Anduck: ye

09:16:42 fluffypony: Anduck: you're automatically devoiced after 30 mins

09:16:44 jurov: bareback testing

09:16:51 Anduck: fluffypony: what's the idea with tht?

09:16:53 fluffypony: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html

09:16:55 pankkake: not if you can !up yourself?

09:16:55 fluffypony: ^^

09:17:04 jurov: fluffypony: auther people in the WoT are devoiced too?

09:17:08 pankkake: I think it was just because of assbot testing

09:17:11 jurov: *authed

09:17:33 fluffypony: jurov: I was under that impression, but I may have misunderstood when kakobrekla was explaining it

09:17:38 Anduck: well

09:17:46 Anduck: the whole thing is over-complicated and therefore SUCKS

09:18:01 Anduck: =)

09:18:27 fluffypony: Anduck: -otc would be great if it was +m, because !voiceme only requires auth with gribble

09:18:45 jurov: benka'y missing manul doesn't mention it either

09:18:45 Anduck: what would +m change there?

09:18:46 fluffypony: wouldn't stop scammers from pm'ing

09:18:55 Anduck: indeed

09:19:02 Anduck: and scammers do most of the scamming by pming

09:19:05 fluffypony: yeah I know

09:19:12 Anduck: i see no reason for +m there

09:19:22 fluffypony: shame that one guy that got scammed by Scott Harding lost his PayPal dispute

09:19:28 Anduck: did he?

09:19:29 Anduck: =(

09:19:31 fluffypony: yeah

09:19:34 jurov: they can pm. we can do a cartel agreement to ask them 5BTC fee >:]

09:20:25 fluffypony: heh

09:20:42 pankkake: I'll doo 4.99

09:20:58 fluffypony: and it starts

09:21:08 pankkake: beauty of the free market

09:21:15 jurov: ;;slap pankkake

09:21:16 *: gribble slaps pankkake with a gone to waste pygmy

09:21:56 jurov: yes, beauty of free markets..everyone who tries to undercut the cartel will get beaten

09:22:22 Anduck: yeah

09:22:34 Anduck: pm me and pay 0.01 btc to me to get voiced here

09:22:39 Anduck: ..for 30mins

09:22:47 Anduck: :)

09:23:10 jurov: *everyone unrates Anduck*

09:23:13 Anduck: haha

09:23:51 pankkake: while scammers PM, at least they won't pollute the channels

09:24:00 Anduck: they never do anyway

09:24:02 pankkake: I'm always annoyed by their poor spelled requests

09:27:32 jurov: we can remember yesterday as bitcoin-assets gentrification day

09:30:20 pankkake: or cult reinforcement day

09:30:39 Anduck: mmh

09:30:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 665 @ 0.00018001 = 0.1197 BTC [-] {4}

09:32:16 jurov: "as the conference approaches, mp stepped up his repression against dissent"

09:32:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2190 @ 0.00017981 = 0.3938 BTC [-] {5}

09:35:06 jurov: Bitcoin Bourse Saturday 12.4.2014 - New Shares: Abacus Cloud Hashing "ACH"

09:35:20 pankkake: it's sad…

09:35:22 jurov: altcoin IPO? that's new high i guess

09:35:39 pankkake: eh, I wish I could come to the conference but it's a really bad time for me

09:40:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00097586 = 11.076 BTC [+]

09:42:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55266 @ 0.00097538 = 53.9054 BTC [-] {2}

09:50:34 fluffypony: jurov: I was just looking at that

09:50:43 fluffypony: They give almost no data on the Abacus site

09:51:07 fluffypony: But they've already sold 2 of the shares at 3 BTC each

09:52:05 jurov: where do you see it?

09:53:39 fluffypony: On the locked thread there's a link

09:53:39 jurov: i see, there's 98 on bid side.. but they could have done that on purpose because the bourse does not publish trades

09:53:49 fluffypony: Oh yes

09:53:55 fluffypony: Sorry thought you meant to the site

09:54:02 fluffypony: They could be fudging the numbers

09:54:39 fluffypony: But why not fudge trade data then? At least they'd have a semblance of legitimacy

09:55:30 jurov: http://imgur.com/9AHGlkV this is how it looks inside

09:55:30 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

09:55:49 jurov: absolutely no asks....

09:56:37 fluffypony: Heh - at least that XXXProfit dude seems to consistently be paying dividends

09:56:44 fluffypony: That's a surprising turn of events

09:57:03 fluffypony: jurov: Nobody asks because every announcement thread is locked

09:57:11 fluffypony: It's almost like they don't want discussion

09:57:11 pankkake: yeah. I hope it doesn't give too much confidence to those investors

09:57:13 fluffypony: :-P

09:57:40 jurov: markus definitely does not want discussion

09:58:27 fluffypony: We should just create self-moderated discussion threads for each of the "securities"

09:58:44 fluffypony: That way nobody will be stupid enough to invest without reading the discussion thread

09:58:48 jurov: no need to increase their publicity

09:59:07 jurov: that thing needs to stay obscure and silently die

09:59:14 fluffypony: Lol

09:59:22 pankkake: self-moderated, locked threads = scam. there's no legitimate reason

10:01:02 jurov: on bitcointa.lk the locks don't apply, you can comment there

10:01:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 461 @ 0.0006 = 0.2766 BTC [-] {4}

10:01:26 fluffypony: Self moderated threads can be useful to keep stuff on topic if it's being trolled, and moderating legitimate concerns just ends up with someone starting an unmoderated discussion thread

10:02:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 539 @ 0.0006 = 0.3234 BTC [-]

10:04:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00096688 = 8.3152 BTC [-]

10:04:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 754 @ 0.0006 = 0.4524 BTC [-] {2}

10:05:09 fluffypony: Sup benkay

10:05:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 245 @ 0.00056126 = 0.1375 BTC [-] {6}

10:11:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11285 @ 0.00096177 = 10.8536 BTC [-]

10:14:58 mircea_popescu: !up BCB

10:14:58 assbot: Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.

10:15:07 mircea_popescu: !up bounce

10:15:07 assbot: Voicing bounce for 30 minutes.

10:15:14 mircea_popescu: !up cazalla

10:15:14 assbot: Voicing cazalla for 30 minutes.

10:15:23 mircea_popescu: !up bloctoc

10:15:23 assbot: Voicing bloctoc for 30 minutes.

10:15:36 mircea_popescu: !up cmyers_

10:15:36 assbot: Voicing cmyers_ for 30 minutes.

10:15:45 mircea_popescu: !up danielpbarron

10:15:45 assbot: Voicing danielpbarron for 30 minutes.

10:15:51 mircea_popescu: !up deadweasel

10:15:51 assbot: Voicing deadweasel for 30 minutes.

10:15:57 mircea_popescu: !up diametric

10:15:57 assbot: Voicing diametric for 30 minutes.

10:16:00 mircea_popescu: !up dignork

10:16:00 assbot: Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.

10:16:08 mircea_popescu: !up FabianB_

10:16:08 assbot: Voicing FabianB_ for 30 minutes.

10:16:10 cazalla: ty

10:16:24 mircea_popescu: !up fanquake

10:16:24 assbot: Voicing fanquake for 30 minutes.

10:16:31 mircea_popescu: !up joecool

10:16:31 assbot: Voicing joecool for 30 minutes.

10:16:40 mircea_popescu: !up keonne

10:16:40 assbot: Voicing keonne for 30 minutes.

10:16:46 mircea_popescu: !up lampelina

10:16:46 assbot: Voicing lampelina for 30 minutes.

10:16:58 mircea_popescu: !up Mats_cd03

10:16:58 assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.

10:17:05 mircea_popescu: !up mikaeldice

10:17:05 assbot: Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.

10:17:11 mircea_popescu: !up mpexbot

10:17:11 assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.

10:17:14 mircea_popescu: hm.

10:17:21 mircea_popescu: !up Naphex

10:17:21 assbot: Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.

10:17:27 mircea_popescu: !up numerisTrade

10:17:27 assbot: Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.

10:17:33 mircea_popescu: !up pizzaman1338

10:17:33 assbot: Voicing pizzaman1338 for 30 minutes.

10:17:40 mircea_popescu: !up punkman

10:17:40 assbot: Voicing punkman for 30 minutes.

10:17:49 mircea_popescu: !up Rulother

10:17:49 assbot: Voicing Rulother for 30 minutes.

10:17:59 mircea_popescu: !up TomServo

10:17:59 assbot: Voicing TomServo for 30 minutes.

10:18:03 mircea_popescu: !up turbo_ac100

10:18:03 assbot: Voicing turbo_ac100 for 30 minutes.

10:18:12 mircea_popescu: !up wao-ender

10:18:12 assbot: Voicing wao-ender for 30 minutes.

10:18:19 mircea_popescu: !up zacm

10:18:19 assbot: Voicing zacm for 30 minutes.

10:18:39 mircea_popescu: ok so dear all i've just highlighted : you understand how to get voice for yourselves ?

10:18:47 mircea_popescu: !up [KS]

10:18:47 assbot: Voicing [KS] for 30 minutes.

10:19:04 Mats_cd03: yes

10:19:21 mircea_popescu: aite jus' making sure

10:19:29 cazalla: yeah, shame MisterE departed because of this change

10:19:36 mircea_popescu: cazalla he got no wot ?

10:19:40 Mats_cd03: the new world order is here

10:19:56 cazalla: doesn't care for it

10:19:58 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 step by step

10:20:04 mircea_popescu: cazalla sucks.

10:20:11 jurov: lol rather document it somewhere and PM everyone the link

10:20:29 jurov: i'd write up but imma run afk, it's weeeekend

10:20:45 mircea_popescu: jurov well also gives ppl the oportunity to rage at me.

10:21:01 Mats_cd03: set it as channel topic?

10:21:09 punkman: I was like "aww I'm not in assbot's WOT", then I noticed assbot rated me :)

10:21:27 mircea_popescu: lol

10:21:43 fluffypony: does every shitty Windows/web IRC client even notify you if you say something in a room that's +m and you're -v ?

10:21:43 mircea_popescu: anyway, teh idea isn't to piss people off in any case.

10:21:51 mircea_popescu: fluffypony perhaps not.

10:22:09 fluffypony: yeah, I bet robcheesewhizz22 thought he was responding to us yesterday :-P

10:22:09 mircea_popescu: truth of the matter is, as kakobrekla said yest, this irc interfacing thing is far from smooth

10:22:15 fluffypony: !down

10:22:15 assbot: Need a nickname, fluffypony.

10:22:18 fluffypony: !down fluffypony

10:22:18 assbot: fluffypony, fluffypony is not voiced.

10:22:27 mircea_popescu: o yeah this works nao ?

10:22:30 mircea_popescu: !up fluffypony

10:22:30 assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.

10:22:35 mircea_popescu: mnop

10:22:37 fluffypony: smooth

10:22:42 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mebbe also voice for mpexbot ?

10:23:38 mircea_popescu: poor kako. what originally seemed like a coupla hour's lark is by now threatening to swallow the entire week

10:25:30 fluffypony: so CloudFlare's Heartbleed challenge was broken by two researchers

10:25:42 mircea_popescu: and they ain't payin; ?

10:26:01 fluffypony: no they are

10:26:01 fluffypony: http://blog.cloudflare.com/the-results-of-the-cloudflare-challenge

10:26:01 ozbot: The Results of the CloudFlare Challenge | CloudFlare Blog

10:26:12 fluffypony: "The first valid submission was received at 4:22:01PST by Software Engineer Fedor Indutny. He sent at least 2.5 million requests over the course of the day. The second was submitted at 5:12:19PST by Ilkka Mattila at NCSC-FI, who sent around a hundred thousand requests over the same period of time."

10:26:23 fluffypony: grabbing privkeys in 100k requests

10:26:24 mircea_popescu: o look, fedor.

10:27:22 mircea_popescu: Anduck why overcomplicated, cause gotta id with gribble and pm assbot ie, two things ?

10:27:27 mircea_popescu: !up KRS-One

10:27:27 assbot: Voicing KRS-One for 30 minutes.

10:27:31 mircea_popescu: !up jakov

10:27:31 assbot: Voicing jakov for 30 minutes.

10:27:34 Anduck: mircea_popescu: indeed

10:27:47 jakov: whats this?

10:28:02 Anduck: not many know about gribble, gpg, otc, wot, assbot or anything related to these things

10:28:09 Anduck: still they might know about bitcoin and bitcoin assets

10:28:12 mircea_popescu: jakov http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html

10:28:24 mircea_popescu: Anduck that seems like a contradiction in terms.

10:29:01 jakov: ok

10:29:04 cazalla: Anduck: ones excuse, anothers motivation to learn

10:29:15 fluffypony: Anduck: in -otc we're constantly linking people to the beginner's guide, and they learn to register with gribble quickly

10:29:20 mircea_popescu: i like that guy's attitude

10:29:33 mircea_popescu: fluffypony oh, -otc is +m again ?

10:29:38 Anduck: no

10:29:39 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no, not atm

10:29:48 Anduck: it's not +m and planned to not be

10:29:49 mircea_popescu: has it been, since 2012 or so ?

10:29:58 fluffypony: but people come in and get confused about gribble and all that

10:30:01 fluffypony: so the beginners guide is good for them

10:30:06 fluffypony: even if they only use BTC address signing instead of GPG auth

10:30:40 mircea_popescu: Anduck so then that's perfect, people who think they know about bitcoin and bitcoin assets but have no clue about bitcoin or bitcoin assets can spend some quality time in -otc hanging out with gribble and learning the basics of bitcoin and bitcoin assets : gpg, otc, wot, all that stuff.

10:30:57 *: fluffypony agrees

10:31:52 Anduck: well, whatever really =D

10:32:30 mircea_popescu: jurov: yes, beauty of free markets..everyone who tries to undercut the cartel will get beaten << check out hardass jurov!

10:33:17 mircea_popescu: so yesterday shall be remembered as cult gentrification day ?

10:33:58 mircea_popescu: !up kanzure

10:33:58 assbot: Voicing kanzure for 30 minutes.

10:34:04 mircea_popescu: o look i forgot mr bishop. yo!

10:34:17 mircea_popescu: !up akstunt600

10:34:17 assbot: Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.

10:35:09 mircea_popescu: !up riX2000

10:35:09 assbot: Voicing riX2000 for 30 minutes.

10:35:15 mircea_popescu: !up the20year

10:35:15 assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.

10:35:22 mircea_popescu: !up TheSeven

10:35:22 assbot: Voicing TheSeven for 30 minutes.

10:35:29 mircea_popescu: !up Troic

10:35:29 assbot: Voicing Troic for 30 minutes.

10:35:41 mircea_popescu: !up thestringpuller

10:35:41 assbot: Voicing thestringpuller for 30 minutes.

10:35:43 TheSeven: ...whatever

10:35:48 mircea_popescu: get in the wot mang.

10:36:21 mircea_popescu: !up virtuals

10:36:21 assbot: Voicing virtuals for 30 minutes.

10:38:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5947 BTC [-]

10:39:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5948 = 1.7844 BTC [+]

10:41:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.5948 = 4.7584 BTC [+] {3}

10:42:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.59735406 = 20.31 BTC [+] {8}

10:42:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00579999 = 0.261 BTC [+] {3}

10:44:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+]

10:47:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0058 = 0.1972 BTC [+]

10:47:18 Anduck: devoicefest

10:48:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]

10:48:10 mircea_popescu: lol

10:50:02 mircea_popescu: "We have noticed that you own a domain name relative to ours. We are currently thinking about putting our domain name BlogAboutBitcoin.com for sale. Please let us know if you might be interested in buying this domain name from us."

10:50:26 mircea_popescu: yeah, absolutely, 15 letter domains are something i'd be buying o.o

10:52:23 fluffypony: heh

10:52:37 fluffypony: I keep getting trademark requests from China

10:52:57 kakobrekla: hello kids

10:53:02 kakobrekla: did you steal any candy

10:53:02 fluffypony: "This is Cari Wang from a department of registration service in China. Our registration department formally received an application on Mar. 10, 2014, One company self-styled "Kemod Holding,Ltd." are going to apply to register brand name and domain names as below "

10:53:11 fluffypony: and then they list a website name you registered

10:53:24 fluffypony: and tell you that "Kemod Holding" is going to register all these domains and do you want to stop them

10:53:28 Apocalyptic: mircea, here's the offers I got some days ago

10:53:29 Apocalyptic: Cryptomize.com - $770

10:53:29 Apocalyptic: CoinCarts.com - $1275

10:53:29 Apocalyptic: Coinerfy.com - $1495

10:53:29 Apocalyptic: Coinings.com - $2450

10:53:40 Apocalyptic: totally crappy names

10:53:43 fluffypony: for which they'll charge you the low, low fee of a few thousand $$$

10:53:54 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i can beat that. someone finally read the robwhiz guy's proposal. you will have to look at this thing.

10:54:18 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1777328/

10:54:20 ozbot: dpaste: #1777328

10:54:31 mircea_popescu: this, i will have to stress, is *still* coldcalling.

10:56:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.60949999 = 3.657 BTC [+] {2}

10:56:13 Apocalyptic: mircea, what does this robwhiz guy do ?

10:56:20 mircea_popescu: apparently, coldcall ?

10:56:32 fluffypony: $12 500 is 50%?

10:56:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, that's just selected derpage, he sent piles more.

10:56:38 Apocalyptic: i got that, but what exactly is he offering in exchange

10:56:49 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic that matterwas never actually discussed.

10:57:02 mircea_popescu: fluffypony imagine that!

10:57:04 fluffypony: Apocalyptic: he's offering his notes

10:57:22 fluffypony: for $25 000

10:57:25 fluffypony: wtf.

10:59:54 mircea_popescu: !up dexX7

10:59:54 assbot: Voicing dexX7 for 30 minutes.

11:00:12 dexX7: haha ty :)

11:00:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.6 = 19.8 BTC [-] {2}

11:00:18 mircea_popescu: dja know how to get it yourself ?

11:00:30 dexX7: no?

11:00:32 dexX7: !up dexX7

11:00:32 assbot: dexX7, dexX7 is already voiced.

11:00:47 mircea_popescu: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html

11:00:47 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model

11:01:34 dexX7: hey that's nice

11:02:57 mircea_popescu: actually, here's an interesting project : someone traverse the l2 trust from assbot, make a list of who's on it.

11:03:10 mircea_popescu: decent adition to benkay's post.

11:08:28 kakobrekla: !up zacm

11:08:28 assbot: Voicing zacm for 30 minutes.

11:08:43 kakobrekla: !up cazalla

11:08:43 assbot: Voicing cazalla for 30 minutes.

11:08:56 zacm: seems to work :)

11:09:03 mircea_popescu: hey z. wot plox.

11:09:30 zacm: hi mircea_popescu, all

11:10:50 zacm: <jurov> on bitcointa.lk the locks don't apply, you can comment there

11:11:25 zacm: haha, so bitcointa.lk is not just a mirror, but people can respond to threads and it won't necessarily appear on the original thread? haha

11:11:37 mircea_popescu: yup

11:11:59 dexX7: !down dexX7

11:11:59 assbot: Can't do that, dexX7.

11:13:05 mircea_popescu: jeez you can't do anything

11:13:16 dexX7: please unvoice me

11:13:31 kakobrekla: just /hop

11:13:37 kakobrekla: or /part , /join

11:14:04 mircea_popescu: wd.

11:14:06 dexX7: :)

11:14:36 dexX7: i think #bitcoin-markets has something similar but with reddit authentication

11:15:02 kakobrekla: to keep the elite out*?

11:15:15 dexX7: well it's a channel for a subreddit

11:15:30 mircea_popescu: fuck, we're not even the first ever

11:15:34 mircea_popescu: can we still be the biggest ?

11:15:44 dexX7: no, but the most sophisticated

11:15:50 mircea_popescu: i guess ;/

11:16:03 mircea_popescu: i really wanted to be the first biggest

11:16:08 mircea_popescu: like all the cool kids.

11:16:11 dexX7: it's amazing

11:16:11 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

11:16:15 dexX7: ^

11:16:17 mircea_popescu: lol

11:20:22 bounce: does assbot consider ratings, that is do negatives not count?

11:21:15 mircea_popescu: afaik your l2 total must be > 0

11:22:58 fluffypony: !gettrust assbot

11:23:23 fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot

11:23:24 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014

11:23:46 fluffypony: oh it's the other way round

11:23:54 mircea_popescu: yup

11:24:05 dexX7: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=assbot&dest=fluffypony

11:24:06 ozbot: #bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph

11:24:10 dexX7: just flip it

11:25:23 mircea_popescu: ;;rate assbot 1 Nice ass & face bot.

11:25:25 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.

11:26:03 mircea_popescu: ("face bot" would be, "[enthusiastically] sucks cock" / "is pouting" in Romanian)

11:26:11 fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot fluffypony

11:26:12 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be. Trust relationship from user assbot to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013

11:26:14 fluffypony: there we go

11:26:31 fluffypony: so as long as you have L2 > 0 you're fine for self-upping

11:26:44 mircea_popescu: yep

11:26:54 mircea_popescu: so don't piss off Apocalyptic lol

11:27:00 fluffypony: lol

11:28:00 fluffypony: bounce: negatives don't count for L2, only L1

11:28:01 fluffypony: eg. http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=fluffypony

11:28:06 davout: ;;rate assbot 1 one ass to rule them all

11:28:07 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.

11:28:36 mircea_popescu: fluffypony l1 negatives don't turn l2 into a negative. but l2 negatives do count.

11:28:44 fluffypony: aaaah

11:29:08 mircea_popescu: i mean!

11:29:13 mircea_popescu: l1 negatives don't turn l2 into a negative. but l1 negatives do count.

11:29:50 fluffypony: yep

11:30:06 mircea_popescu: !up bitesak

11:30:06 assbot: Voicing bitesak for 30 minutes.

11:30:40 mircea_popescu: pity that kid on the forum already splurged his scientology load too. this'd have made such a great op.

11:31:40 pankkake: I'm sure he will be delighted to hear about the cult getting cultier

11:34:08 bounce: 281 names. lemme drop'em in a pastebin

11:34:30 mircea_popescu: a cool! ty!

11:34:57 pankkake: nice, I wouldn't have thought this many

11:35:11 bitesak: thank you, you are quite the inspiration in many areas;

11:35:18 bounce: now for someone to verify the list :-)

11:37:16 mircea_popescu: bitesak you in teh wot ?

11:37:44 bounce: heh, oopsie. lemme do that again.

11:38:41 bounce: 436 even. used the wrong starting point. data iz hard!

11:40:07 mircea_popescu: bounce i was thinking this must be broken because when i wrote the article yest mah ppl had said "just shy of 500"

11:40:15 mircea_popescu: which is why i said "many times the max population of the chan"

11:40:19 bounce: http://pastebin.ca/2694954

11:40:41 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/

11:40:43 ozbot: Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely wrong pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu

11:40:57 bounce: yeah needed someone with positive and negative ratings to check filtering them, then forgot to stick assbot back in

11:41:00 mircea_popescu: bounce Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired.

11:41:06 mircea_popescu: you hax me ? i cut you!

11:41:07 bounce: s/ratings/sent &/

11:41:34 bounce: gah. silly pastebin.ca

11:45:01 bitesak: mircea_popescu: yes, in the wot under bitdragon

11:45:35 bounce: this works here: http://pastebin.ca/2694955

11:45:38 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot bitesak

11:45:39 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bitesak: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bitesak | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitesak | Rated since: never

11:45:42 mircea_popescu: tsk.

11:45:53 mircea_popescu: ;;rate bitesak 1 New blood.

11:45:55 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

11:46:13 mircea_popescu: bitesak you wouldn't be fibbin' ?

11:46:33 mircea_popescu: o o i see

11:46:38 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot bitdragon

11:46:38 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bitdragon: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bitdragon | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitdragon | Rated since: Mon Oct 3 16:01:35 2011

11:46:43 bitesak: fibbin'? I try not to.

11:46:47 mircea_popescu: ;;rate bitdragon 1 New blood.

11:46:49 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bitdragon has been recorded.

11:46:50 pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot theymos

11:46:50 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user theymos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=theymos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=theymos | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:36:30 2010

11:47:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 12 @ 0.14 = 1.68 BTC

11:47:01 mircea_popescu: bitesak you can autovoice bitdragon now.

11:47:10 bitesak: merci

11:47:54 pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot gmaxwell

11:47:54 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user gmaxwell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=gmaxwell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gmaxwell | Rated since: Mon Jul 25 13:49:45 2011

11:48:14 mircea_popescu: 1 via 3 connections ? for a .33 avg ? that's a feat.

11:49:18 pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot MagicalTux

11:49:18 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user MagicalTux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=MagicalTux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MagicalTux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010

11:49:35 pankkake: ok, that one is a bug in your script :)

11:49:37 mircea_popescu: an even better feat.

11:49:45 bounce: huh, ratefest

11:50:08 bounce: anyhow, blithely assuming assbot only gives positive ratings in the script

11:50:33 mircea_popescu: bounce this is true.

11:51:22 bounce: heh, just about 20 mins of scripting

11:51:56 mircea_popescu: i like how this thing just keeps swallowing more and more of people's time than they had anticipated.

11:53:33 kakobrekla: i know rite

11:54:09 mircea_popescu: this is what good management does!

11:54:23 bitesak: !up bitdragon

11:54:23 assbot: Can't do that, bitesak.

11:54:35 bounce: steal people's time on frivolities?

11:54:51 kakobrekla: bitesak !up youself first on pvt

11:54:58 kakobrekla: then you can up others

11:55:56 mircea_popescu: and you gotta be bitdragon

11:56:14 mircea_popescu: bounce the frivolities that steal your time are the stuff life's made of.

11:56:36 bitesak: ok ! thanks again

11:57:03 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> bounce the frivolities that steal your time are the stuff life's made of. << well said

12:00:32 bounce: could make a list of who introduces whom. but, eh, let's not.

12:00:47 mircea_popescu: but why not :D

12:01:30 mircea_popescu: welcome to teh cult turbo_ac100

12:01:42 turbo_ac100: Does assbot autoACK?

12:01:48 turbo_ac100: mircea_popescu: yeah, hi.

12:03:20 turbo_ac100: Oh right. 1 layer is enough for permanent voice o.O

12:04:32 bounce: for layer two, combined score * 30 mins? (yay, overcomplicating)

12:04:57 mircea_popescu: nah, indefinite.

12:05:02 mircea_popescu: you made it, you made it.

12:05:37 mircea_popescu: bounce http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/assbot-level-2-trust/

12:05:45 mircea_popescu: check that shit out. either one or the other of you is wrong.

12:06:13 mircea_popescu: sheeeit this guy scooped me.

12:06:24 mircea_popescu: http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/first-bitcoin-otc-rating/ << i was gonna blog this

12:06:24 ozbot: First bitcoin-otc rating | Khersonus Blog

12:07:05 bounce: you mean he says 438 and I say 436? let's see where the difference lies then

12:07:14 mircea_popescu: i thought he said 432 ?

12:07:22 bounce: er, yes

12:09:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00097 = 22.116 BTC [+]

12:09:36 khersonus: here was my quick'n'dirty code: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jr8W78NH

12:09:40 bounce: he's missing bounce (oi!), checkdavid, danielpbarron, joecool, punkman

12:09:53 mircea_popescu: bounce ahahaha

12:10:12 bounce: which brings up another question, why does diff give me 5 lines difference? o_O?

12:10:21 mircea_popescu: maybe a _

12:11:01 bounce: oh, he's got bitdragon whom got +1 after I posted the list

12:11:18 mircea_popescu: khersonus "the list increase to 495." => the list increases to 495.

12:12:05 bounce: really really quick'n'dirty code: http://pastebin.ca/2694958

12:12:08 khersonus: mircea_popescu: fixed, thanks.

12:13:08 mircea_popescu: saraj will be all "wtf is with all this dirty code coming to my site for a quickie today"

12:13:21 mircea_popescu: in other news,

12:13:21 mircea_popescu: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/nevada-rancher-rangers-cattle-showdown/

12:13:21 ozbot: Showdown: Nevada rancher, feds face off over grazing rights - CNN.com

12:13:41 mircea_popescu: apparently the well armed militia is about to start a war with the even better armed bureaucracy

12:14:35 bounce: does kick the dog still count if it's a police dog?

12:14:51 mircea_popescu: wonder how long before people start going "o putin is behind this!"

12:15:57 turbo_ac100: bounce: nubbins "le backtick" ` got counted correctly?

12:16:54 mircea_popescu: lmao

12:17:10 turbo_ac100: what is dejson btw?

12:18:07 bounce: a bit of C code that turns json in something vaguely suitable for awkification

12:18:56 bounce: in this case the ouput looks like 12.rater_nick nubbins` (made up data)

12:18:57 turbo_ac100: I use python -json.tools.

12:19:16 turbo_ac100: ehm python -mjson.tools that is

12:19:29 bounce: er, the () isn't part of the output, of course

12:20:34 bounce: it'd be more efficient to output records as the first number changes, but this was faster. a small change in printing would save a loop a bit lower. that sort of thing.

12:20:53 bounce: s/faster/quicker to write/

12:30:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6095 = 6.095 BTC [+]

12:35:12 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://37.media.tumblr.com/7e7b7c3cc7116db48b6d5fc1aa2ba7f4/tumblr_mzyn5lRZVl1skfvtio1_500.jpg

12:36:51 pankkake: so cute

12:38:36 mircea_popescu: clearly she's having fun

12:41:18 kakobrekla: a, so we have a new potential AA member

12:41:47 kakobrekla: im talking about the blog, to be clear.

12:42:30 mircea_popescu: i think so. khersonus add an about page ? a name, a pic of you in a dilapidated room with half a cloth in the window ?

12:43:24 mircea_popescu: "Markus Persson @notch ? 1h I got an invitation to this cool sounding exclusive "important people talk to each other and change the world" thing. I make games. Games." << twasn't me.

12:43:36 pankkake: kakobrekla: already added it :p should show at next update

12:43:43 bounce: http://pastebin.ca/2694974

12:43:50 kakobrekla: pankkake :o

12:44:29 mircea_popescu: wait, pankkake maintains the assimilation ?

12:44:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-]

12:44:59 pankkake: if it's not updated it's worthless

12:45:22 mircea_popescu: bounce if a name is allowed on the basis of two (multiple) ratings, which do you put in the "by" field ?

12:45:39 mircea_popescu: nm

12:45:51 mircea_popescu: all it takes is READ... dun du-dun dun dun

12:46:42 mircea_popescu: bounce you could encapsulate this as a webservice, incidentally.

12:46:49 mircea_popescu: bounce.com?q=derpy_nick

12:47:22 bounce: way too spendy to get bounce.com

12:47:23 kakobrekla: yes, pankkake came up with AA

12:47:25 bounce: but perchance, yes

12:47:39 mircea_popescu: titsbounce.com ?

12:47:57 mircea_popescu: or i guess boobiesbounce.biz

12:48:02 mircea_popescu: now THAT's a killer domain name

12:48:22 mircea_popescu: BB.B can be stylized into one heckova logo.

12:49:43 mircea_popescu: ;;rate lampelina 1 Kako vouches for her up to over 9000 bitcoinz provided it's to buy shoes and things.

12:49:44 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

12:49:51 mircea_popescu: o no!

12:50:57 bounce: the way I'm doing it now is simply recording all the info and printing it. I suppose that getting the results for a single nick would be better done taking the set union of everyone assbot has rated with everyone the target has received ratings from. that's only two json queries (or a single select given access to the database)

12:53:28 khersonus: mircea_popescu: sorry, was afk. Heh, yeah, need to work on the blog a bit.

13:11:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04998999 = 0.4999 BTC [+] {2}

13:16:54 mircea_popescu: pankkake http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#comment-98993

13:17:05 nubbins`: ;;later tell mircea_popescu mid-30s isn't old if you're a tree

13:17:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:17:20 nubbins`: i mean, the same thing without ;;later tell

13:17:24 mircea_popescu: im a weed.

13:17:39 nubbins`: is this a trick to get me to smoke you? ;(

13:17:42 mircea_popescu: hahaha

13:24:15 pankkake: mid-30s is old?

13:24:42 pankkake: I feel I only have one year left anyway

13:27:20 ThickAsThieves: "<MisterE> well was nice chatting with you for a time I'm not fucking around with the +m nonsense"

13:27:26 ThickAsThieves: i chatted with him?

13:27:59 ThickAsThieves: maybe he was a socker

13:29:01 ThickAsThieves: " The bill, snarkily named the "Let Me Google That For You Act," sets its sights on the NTIS for charging for technical reports that anyone can Google for free."

13:29:22 dexX7: <bounce> http://pastebin.ca/2694974 + gephi => http://i.imgur.com/xfGIozu.png

13:30:12 Apocalyptic: nice graph

13:30:45 bounce: the bigger the node the bigger the guilt ;-)

13:30:49 dexX7: hehe

13:35:33 bounce: the existence of elites, at least the part where some people are regarded as "better" than others in some sort of fancy or other, is not bad by and of itself. the problems arise (and I'd surmise egalitarians' complaints partly stem from this) when people work on shutting out other people on essentially arbitrary grounds so as to, well, keep the thing exclusive in ways quite disconnected from the original merit

13:36:53 bounce: in other words, elites work better when everyone has a comparable shot at getting in and the same risk of getting thrown out.

13:37:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06599978 = 0.132 BTC [+] {2}

13:38:00 ThickAsThieves: that's an ideal, not a reality though

13:38:16 Apocalyptic: "when everyone has a comparable shot at getting in" that's hardly true

13:38:21 ThickAsThieves: an elite, by definition, will always have a better position to stay one

13:38:47 ThickAsThieves: though that doesnt have to mean there is no way they can lose it

13:39:21 ThickAsThieves: but for example, ousting kakobrekla would be a tough one

13:39:48 mircea_popescu: bounce pretty nice gb

13:40:56 mircea_popescu: bounce whence the quote ?

13:41:05 dexX7: i quoted the paste

13:41:12 dexX7: it's mine ;)

13:41:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00096739 = 11.3185 BTC [-]

13:42:18 nubbins`: !up mius_

13:42:18 assbot: Voicing mius_ for 30 minutes.

13:42:38 mircea_popescu: o hey. pretty nice dexX7 :X

13:42:40 bounce: the graph thing is dexx7's, yes

13:43:21 mircea_popescu: o look, nano's like teh sun

13:43:34 mircea_popescu: black hole gobbling up the sentient cloud of assets

13:44:12 nubbins`: hey, there's me!

13:44:39 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i would guess you qualify as what they call a facilitator.

13:44:45 mircea_popescu: like you know, whores.

13:44:48 nubbins`: heh.

13:45:03 bounce: ITYM pimps?

13:45:05 nubbins`: my wot substantially grew with nano's rating

13:46:13 mircea_popescu: bounce no, i don't international tournament of youn mathematicians pimp. i international tournament of youn mathematicians whore.

13:46:36 bounce: o_O?

13:46:37 mircea_popescu: because a little known twist of the renaissance is that most of the business started by chance meetings in brothels and prostitutes' rooms

13:46:39 nubbins`: well, i *am* a mathematician

13:46:47 mircea_popescu: between gents who were both affluent but otherwise'd have never met.

13:46:51 nubbins`: and mid-30s isn't old if you're a tree...

13:47:05 mircea_popescu: but i'm a weed

13:47:13 mircea_popescu: ;;google seinology "i'm a weed"

13:47:14 gribble: Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 158-The Voice: http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-158.shtml; Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 42-The Trip(2): http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-42.shtml; Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 142-The Chicken Roaster: http://seinology.com/scripts/script-142.shtml

13:49:00 nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/PmB4GvAd

13:49:01 ozbot: Dear Polimedia, In casually researching the Cardano I came across your announ - Pastebin.com

13:49:20 nubbins`: tl;dr: "I am happy to provide the above services at 5% of that cost, i.e. for $25,000 - paid half up-front in BTC (about 54 BTC) and half upon project completion (about 54 BTC)."

13:50:21 mircea_popescu: you too brute ?!

13:51:56 nubbins`: http://therecoveringpolitician.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/knowledge-is-power-41.jpg

13:53:11 ThickAsThieves: I just realized this new Havelock IPO is another "AM" ...

13:53:25 nubbins`: but without dividends

13:53:45 ThickAsThieves: who needs divs when you have an A, AND a M

13:54:15 ThickAsThieves: ActM got their first server up

13:54:16 ThickAsThieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzgxGaVWlpU&feature=youtu.be

13:54:16 ozbot: IMG 8978 - YouTube

13:54:25 ThickAsThieves: i imagine thats the sound of Ken's hell

13:54:26 mircea_popescu: so the chick made... bacon quiche.

13:54:31 mircea_popescu: da fuck am i gonna do now.

13:54:42 nubbins`: tuck in!

13:54:47 mircea_popescu: lol

13:54:59 nubbins`: belt-loosening is optional, based on portion size ;D

13:55:44 nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/gJXyvXgd

13:55:44 ozbot: New Product Design The primary benefits that will be shown by my 20-50 p - Pastebin.com

13:56:23 nubbins`: pretty much just chin-wagging

13:56:42 ThickAsThieves: lemme guess, none of his plans solve any of his stated problems

13:57:15 nubbins`: the earlier pastebin at least attempts to enumerate them properly

13:58:03 ThickAsThieves: get the guy to escrow 54btc himself, and 54btc from SNSA

13:58:07 bounce: ok, so, I'm not an expert and so I keep on wondering whether it's me or that guy who's not understanding, but at the same time my brains fall out. wtf is he on about?

13:58:12 ThickAsThieves: then if they use his info he gets both

13:58:16 ThickAsThieves: if not, he loses both

13:58:49 ThickAsThieves: of course he obv does not have 54btc

13:59:09 pankkake: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/win-bitcoin-creating-good-baseball-bitbet/2014/04/12

13:59:17 nubbins`: "Well it turns out it could be resolved extremely simply. If the Cardano had any sort of display it could simply display the hash value of what it was about to sign: the user would manually have to click through to approve that particular hash."

13:59:29 nubbins`: y'know, because humans can glance at a hash and tell if it's valid

13:59:29 bounce: he doesn't? he's worked with "$100B" companies!

14:00:42 Apocalyptic: don't you nubbins` ?

14:00:47 Apocalyptic: i thought you were a mathematician

14:00:53 nubbins`: sure, but i'm a m... ah, you get it

14:08:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60988299 = 1.8296 BTC [+] {3}

14:10:41 punkman: so this lasts longer than 30 minutes?

14:12:08 dexX7: http://www.coindesk.com/wladimir-van-der-laans-top-four-priorities-bitcoin/ << sounds good

14:12:55 punkman: ;;rate assbot AMAZING BOT

14:12:55 gribble: Error: 'AMAZING' is not a valid integer.

14:13:08 punkman: ;;rate assbot 1 AMAZING BOT

14:13:10 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.

14:14:46 ThickAsThieves: "Perhaps a more troubling problem for those who manage a large number of wallets through Bitcoin-Qt, the software has an upper limit to the number of private keys it can store. If you generate more keys than the upper limit, the software overwrites older keys to make space."

14:14:58 Apocalyptic: this is plainly misleading

14:15:08 ThickAsThieves: that's true? or?

14:16:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0651001 = 0.4557 BTC [-]

14:16:31 ThickAsThieves: some of this sounds good, some sounds scary

14:16:58 pankkake: "Error: 'AMAZING' is not a valid integer." clearly a bug

14:17:28 ThickAsThieves: "In any case, Van der Laan says his job is not to direct the bitcoin project like a dictator."

14:19:42 dexX7: i once reported a gui issue on github and his response was "In any case feel free to make it what you think is better, I'm sick of bikeshedding about these kind of details." >_>"

14:20:30 ThickAsThieves: i guess he's no steve jobs at least

14:23:17 Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, I have no knowledge of bitcoin-qt deleting older keys, let alone "to make space"...

14:23:29 Apocalyptic: what nonsense is this

14:23:45 ThickAsThieves: seems absurd

14:24:05 Apocalyptic: i suspect he got confused with the keypool explanation that follows

14:24:19 ThickAsThieves: i know large wallets can get bogged to a crawl, but he's implying there is specificlaly programming to delete keys

14:28:34 punkman: http://surprisecatherine.com/

14:28:34 ozbot: Surprise Catherine

14:30:28 ThickAsThieves: :/

14:30:30 pankkake: !down punkman

14:30:30 assbot: pankkake, punkman is not voiced.

14:30:36 asciilifeform: nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/gJXyvXgd << spaminator never tires?

14:31:30 punkman: but I am

14:31:35 asciilifeform: how come we don't get unsolicited offers from useful folks, like chinese soldering gurlz willing to work for btc.

14:32:48 asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> An ad hominem attack does not make your current design other than totally insecure and snake oil. It does not meet the usage case that was published, and is unfit for any purpose. You and Mr. Popescu can refuse my offer (of course) but the behavior I have seen in channel does not leave me surprised that you have missed your Christmas shipping time by 4 months.

14:33:04 asciilifeform: (that was him, five seconds ago)

14:33:12 asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> The offer is not unsolicited - as quoted the cryptome announcement welcomes critiques, which you have now received.

14:33:18 punkman: so he wants more openssl in his cardano or something?

14:33:44 asciilifeform: he started out by wanting... wifi.

14:34:00 bounce: moar heartbleed

14:34:08 punkman: how about a camera?

14:34:49 *: asciilifeform went for a year of irc without having to learn 'killfile' feature, now has to look it up in a hurry.

14:35:04 asciilifeform: but, what the hell,

14:35:14 asciilifeform: ;;up robwhiz22

14:35:14 gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.

14:35:25 punkman: !up robwhiz22

14:35:25 assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.

14:35:31 asciilifeform: ty

14:36:01 robwhiz22: Thank you.

14:36:25 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: you have exactly 30 min. - or until someone barfs.

14:36:51 robwhiz22: Yes, I read how this works.

14:37:39 bounce: ThickAsThieves: elites aren't egalitarian, you'll recall. some are more leet than others. :-) the point rather is that if you're an elite shoemaker and son of an elite shoemaker you should be able to get in on traits acquired by exposure to shoemaker, not by dint of birth. even though that birth helped you along.

14:38:00 pankkake: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=714 :| :| :| :|

14:38:34 bounce: s/shoemaker,/shoemaking,/

14:38:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00096655 = 15.9964 BTC [-] {2}

14:38:55 kakobrekla: yeah btc crashing, tell your mother to invest to save it!! we wanna be rich again!

14:39:08 pankkake: also, bitcoin is a meme

14:39:17 robwhiz22: I did not intend for nubbins` to publish those two pastebins. I can answer any questions on them.

14:39:21 kakobrekla: i just read the title.

14:39:26 punkman: kakobrekla: why can't pankkake !down me?

14:39:48 kakobrekla: cause i made assumptions

14:39:57 kakobrekla: thats the real cause.

14:40:03 punkman: great

14:40:24 punkman: for me at least

14:40:32 bounce: robwhiz22: you were warned repeatedly that this was expected and required and I'm reasonably sure you gave permission for the receiver to do whatever they liked with the information.

14:40:43 kakobrekla: a fix is coming, later today i think.

14:40:55 robwhiz22: bounce, yes.

14:41:10 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: if you dislike public mockery, you can still remain a fool - just don't be a public fool.

14:42:10 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, as mentioned ad hominem attacks don't improve a design. I can say that usually, companies will have several iterations of completely internal design proposals that htey will consider. I've never heard of a company that wanted to ship products thta would have wanted proposals (even from consultants etc) to be public in this way.

14:42:32 fluffypony: What's that saying about it being better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than open your mouth and confirm everyone's suspicion? Something like that.

14:42:51 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: you are the same kind of 'consultant' as the beggars who 'wash' cars at stoplights with dirty rags without permission and demand money

14:44:47 ThickAsThieves: robwhiz22, yknow, if you offered one "free" bit of useful advice, something of value, you'd get more than 54btc worth out of it

14:45:08 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, and you are the same kind of "engineer" as the ones who promise a perpetual motion machine and take investment for it from people they dupe. How does this help the conversatoin?

14:45:29 ThickAsThieves: just guve your shit away if it's usable

14:45:35 ThickAsThieves: then maybe you get a job

14:45:40 robwhiz22: ThickAsThieves, I offered 3 specific ways in which the Cardano fails to meet its mission.

14:46:01 Apocalyptic: robwhiz22, I don't think you did

14:46:06 ThickAsThieves: i think ascii would differ

14:46:12 robwhiz22: ThickAsThieves, new architectures for radically new product categories don't write themselves. It will take me six weeks just to come up with 20-50 pages at a high-level.

14:46:22 ThickAsThieves: gimme a break

14:46:39 robwhiz22: Apocalyptic, did you read the pastebin? It was not cleaned up for a public disclosure but I can answer any questions on it.

14:46:50 ThickAsThieves: who cares about cleaned up

14:47:00 Apocalyptic: the 'public library fake usb host' is laughable

14:47:13 asciilifeform: robwhiz22 is free to build his own 'cardano,' with hookers and blackjack.

14:47:20 bounce: not to be unkind but the amount of words you spent failing to convey your message don't inspire confidence that 20..50 pages will do better

14:47:27 ThickAsThieves: youve been full of shit since you ninjashogunned your way in here, now it's your job to fix it

14:47:53 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, if you have an attacker with physical access you have already lost

14:47:57 mircea_popescu: !up skylytez

14:47:57 assbot: Voicing skylytez for 30 minutes.

14:48:07 robwhiz22: bounce, the audience for that letter was Mircea who I think understands security to a certain level. I am happy to explain any of the points, but it was not a public document.

14:48:08 Apocalyptic: * robwhiz22 rather

14:48:22 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: i spent hours trying to explain exactly this to him.

14:48:31 ThickAsThieves: it's public now, get over it

14:48:41 skylytez: Hi Mircea. I'm just trying to learn what I can from your blog. I'm actually looking for the 29 people

14:48:42 robwhiz22: Apocalyptic, yes. And the snake oil being sold here is that if you have an attacker with physical access, then if you have a Cardano you haven't lost. It's snake oil.

14:48:51 robwhiz22: Apocalyptic, but it's only snake oil in the current design :)

14:48:54 mircea_popescu: dexX7 not bad, perhaps with 4 moved as a 1

14:50:08 robwhiz22: The idea of the Cardano is quite simple. It is described in mircea_popescu's specs: http://fraudsters.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/ -- it says, "Consider the case of visiting a random net cafe or public library. Without Cardano you are in a relatively tough spot : even should you carry your gpg keyring and gpg software on a USB stick, and even should you be able to install gpg software on the respective computer, typing in t

14:50:09 robwhiz22: he keyring passphrase would in all likelihood compromise that key."

14:50:29 fluffypony: Guys if anyone is interested I'm selling my report on why robwhiz22's report is wrong for the low price of $20 000 in BTC up-front. If I get more than 3 buyers I'll include a copy of his report as well.

14:50:37 fluffypony: My report is rather short

14:50:43 bounce: robwhiz22, two can play the argument from authority game. plenty more read it and I don't see anyone agreeing with you. ie you failed to convince.

14:50:45 fluffypony: But I'm sure you'll find it worth the money

14:50:49 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are selling hte snake oil that they will fix this. They have taken investment for it. Their solution is totally broken and unfit for this usage case.

14:50:57 ThickAsThieves: i'm selling another 30min of !up to robwhizz for 54btc

14:51:06 mircea_popescu: skylytez heya. they're in the log, two different people have made parsers

14:51:08 fluffypony: lol

14:51:10 mircea_popescu: !topic

14:51:16 mircea_popescu: ;;topic

14:51:16 gribble: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com

14:51:19 robwhiz22: (bounce, I've received agreements)

14:51:24 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: why not hush and wait for the machine. then collect 10btc (from me) and perhaps more from others, if you can reflash the unit without opening the case, through usb.

14:51:29 skylytez: Thanks MP

14:51:31 mircea_popescu: the more recent pastebin by bounce is instructive, and dex made a graph

14:51:34 bounce: share, please.

14:52:20 robwhiz22: asciilifeform Because the machine is unfit to be manufactured today. Why would I "wait for it" and have this idea totally disappear, instead of being iterated on and working and being something big.

14:52:34 robwhiz22: (by 'this idea' I mean your device.)

14:53:07 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, it was my understanding that you and mircea_popescu have taken investment for it. Why would you use it to manufacture sometihng faulty that does not meet its described usage case? That is fraudulent.

14:53:09 fluffypony: robwhiz22: Then open source your criticisms

14:53:37 fluffypony: Costs to cover manufacturing != costs to cover design

14:54:21 robwhiz22: fluffypony I think they have sufficient investment to cover the design. It's a very low amount due to the category being totally new.

14:54:38 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: many if not most of the folks who bought s.nsa shares are likely here. go on and convince them that they are fools...

14:55:02 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, they are not fools. So far you haven't shipped something broken, and have the time and resources to fix things.

14:55:26 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, moreover perhaps attention to detail is what caused some of the shipping delays to begin with. This is why I wrote with a proposal to help while things can be helped.

14:55:32 ThickAsThieves: if i recall, the product will be demonstrated next week, no?

14:56:35 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, the issue you brought up about reflashing is one that I wanted to address very briefly in the shorter write-up on the Cardano A. I believe you've found microcontrollers that can't be reflashed from USB.

14:57:13 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, it is not a main sourcecoming. I've only summarized things that render the Cardano totally unfit in its present form.

14:57:35 robwhiz22: (for the usage described/sold).

14:57:45 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: so far the only thing you've convinced the people here of is - to add a bozo filter to the channel.

14:57:52 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: take a moment to contemplate this.

14:58:36 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, like I said if you are convincing people to trust an insecure design that is unfit for the usage case you sell, you are a fraud. Convincing people to trust it is fraudulent.

14:59:04 fluffypony: asciilifeform: Well, to be fair, he's convinced me that I can sell a bullshit report for $25k. That's a learning:)

14:59:46 ThickAsThieves: but he hasnt

14:59:47 robwhiz22: fluffypony, the amount varies. I've taken into consideration the fact that Polimedia is a 'startup' and also not asking for any equity, royalty, etc. It's also trailblazing something radically new.

15:00:02 fluffypony: Oh dude awesome

15:00:10 fluffypony: I'm going to ask for equity as well

15:00:15 fluffypony: And profit share

15:00:17 robwhiz22: fluffypony, the amount isn't totally fixed.

15:00:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly, the bozo filter is a result of trader1333, not this derp or that other one.

15:00:20 fluffypony: And royalties

15:00:23 fluffypony: I'll be rich!

15:00:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even so - it is good to have it.

15:00:50 fluffypony: brb emailing Apple

15:01:18 robwhiz22: If investors are here they may read the private proposal and step up to pay for the report and internal design proposal. 15sdNNq9Rk8JM7VENnPvPeoCwTW7ScHHZA

15:01:48 robwhiz22: They will only receive a copy of the proposal if mircea_popescu and asciilifeform decide to share it however. It is important not to get people's expectations up if some feature won't be included in the first iteration, for example.

15:02:18 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I don't know, I mean, would he be pushing this hard if he'd never made a sale?

15:02:41 mircea_popescu: in a word, yes.

15:02:45 robwhiz22: fluffypony, I've never made a sale in apublic forum like htis.

15:02:48 *: bounce would expect such investors to at least want to know whom they're dealing with. got any references, a CV, that sort of thing?

15:02:53 asciilifeform: incidentally, this is not a bad time to point out that 'cardano' and future s.nsa products are meant for adults.

15:02:56 mircea_popescu: think of how hard virgin boys push, and compare to normal people.

15:02:59 robwhiz22: fluffypony, it's an EXTREMELY unusual request from mircea_popescu that business be conducted here.

15:03:11 mircea_popescu: they who evere made a sale have some representation of how hard to push. those who never have however...

15:03:12 mircea_popescu: no clue.

15:03:38 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, if you were not interested I would have expected that reply from you to one of my two follow-up emails.

15:03:45 asciilifeform: that is, folks who are willing to take the time to understand the design - or are on speaking terms with a competent engineer, who will - before putting it to use in anger.

15:03:59 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, however I believe you are not interested in selling snake oil and would be genuinely interested in creating a product that meets your basic claims about it.

15:04:08 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I could be wrong of course.

15:04:34 bounce: so, you're selling snake oil detection services for the low, low price of 54 bitcoin?

15:04:50 robwhiz22: !up robwhiz22

15:04:50 assbot: robwhiz22, robwhiz22 is already voiced.

15:04:52 robwhiz22: can I up myself?

15:05:05 fluffypony: robwhiz22: you're wrong, this is the sekrit channel for snake oil only

15:05:06 robwhiz22: bounce - Did you read my emails?

15:05:10 bounce: ;;gettrust assbot robwhiz22

15:05:10 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user robwhiz22: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=robwhiz22 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=robwhiz22 | Rated since: never

15:05:14 bounce: nope, you can't.

15:05:23 robwhiz22: bounce - that were posted here?

15:05:26 *: fluffypony buys some oil for his snakes

15:05:54 asciilifeform: here we sell groundhog oil only. 'bitcointalk' for all of your snake oil needs.

15:07:07 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: at the rate you're going, you will have to pay folks to 'voice' you.

15:07:22 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: don't bother private-messaging me - i'm done.

15:08:19 pankkake: posting a bitcoin address right away is certainly grounds for a !down

15:08:24 mircea_popescu: i'll do it for 1 btc

15:08:43 mircea_popescu: guy's on my ignore, so we have a classical example of disaster of commons : i'm selling him your ears, fellow countrymen

15:08:48 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/sFD0P4M.jpg

15:09:02 *: asciilifeform goes off to catch the falling leaves of sakuras.

15:09:06 fluffypony: Someone sell me oil for my snake

15:11:28 Blazedout419: lol

15:11:29 asciilifeform: parting gift, for the entertainment of the gentlemen,

15:11:33 asciilifeform: !up robwhiz22

15:11:33 assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.

15:11:46 bounce: such gifts

15:11:50 fluffypony: Awwww asciilifeform

15:12:03 fluffypony: I was about to extort 1 BTC out if him

15:12:15 bounce: another 30 minutes, another chance

15:12:25 asciilifeform: fluffypony: gag him and ask for the coin, then

15:12:30 fluffypony: Another day another dollar

15:12:54 fluffypony: asciilifeform: I'll wait for him to screw up again and hold him for random

15:12:58 fluffypony: random

15:12:59 fluffypony: Ransom

15:13:08 robwhiz22: thank you, asciilifeform.

15:13:08 fluffypony: Funking autocorrect

15:13:38 fluffypony: Wow. Autocorrect can't even curse correctly.

15:14:32 robwhiz22: well, mircea_popescu has said in channel that he put me on ignore (a strange reaction after inviting me in here.) As I presume he and the chief engineer make joint decisions, the only way the investors in s.nsa will have the benefits of the new design, and corrections to the existing design, is if they pay for them as part of supporting their investment. ("Adding value", so they say.)

15:14:34 mircea_popescu: amazing autocorrect

15:14:34 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

15:15:12 fluffypony: robwhiz22: Why not make a competing product? You can talk to Markus about an IPO:-P

15:15:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61110471 BTC [+]

15:16:38 robwhiz22: fluffypony, as mircea_popescu and asciilifeform have shown by slipping 4 months on their delivery schedule, it is extremely difficult to bring a security product to market. Plus, it's their idea. It really would be better for them to have the proposals for their consideration. I suppose they can also share in here if they want wider feedback.

15:17:21 robwhiz22: fluffypony, for both of those reasons it would not make very much sense for me to take their idea and compete with them. They're just the ones to do it. (Or so I thought.)

15:17:58 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: if you'd offered something of value (e.g. quick-turn manufacturing capability) you would have had eager ears.

15:18:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06510013 = 1.1067 BTC [+] {3}

15:18:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04977428 = 0.1493 BTC [-] {3}

15:18:41 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I guarantee you that you will see very big value in your resulting market. In additition, no longer selling snake oil- i.e. a product that actually works in the usage cases offered - is its own reward.

15:19:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0497757 = 0.1493 BTC [+] {3}

15:19:31 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, manufacturing is actually a smaller value-add than design, because someone can always copy your finalized designs.

15:19:47 asciilifeform: this coming from the fellow who demanded a radio transmitter in the unit.

15:19:49 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I am also not selling completed designs but rather internal high-level proposals for your consideration.

15:20:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.036889 = 0.1476 BTC [+]

15:21:11 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, this, coming from someone who isn't sure whether his chips can be reflashed over USB :)

15:21:17 asciilifeform: 'isn't sure'

15:21:28 asciilifeform: now we've stepped up the game to straight lying

15:21:48 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: the beauty of it all is that you - and chinese ipNohe makers - any anybody - can take the design and build whatever they want. and buyers can freely choose between cardano and turdano.

15:22:06 fluffypony: Turdano

15:22:07 fluffypony: In brown

15:22:17 fluffypony: That's my 6th choice

15:22:18 asciilifeform: in brown. with openssl.

15:22:29 fluffypony: asciilifeform: Yes plz

15:22:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03689949 = 0.1476 BTC [+] {2}

15:22:42 fluffypony: Shipping Q4 2016

15:22:46 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, if you were "sure" you wouldn't have offered a bounty. The purpose of the bounty is to motivate active, friendly attack.

15:23:27 asciilifeform: the purpose of the bounty is to reveal silicon boobytraps. electron microscope costs more than 10 btc.

15:23:38 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, right.

15:24:11 asciilifeform: though i intend to invest in one as soon as i get more floor space.

15:25:16 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, there are vectors (social/business/etc) to reflashing over USB that you should think of before considering silicon boobytraps.

15:26:15 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I will include an analysis of whether you can rely on your chip design which cannot be reflashed over USB, as part of the first part (the Cardano A full document).

15:28:34 robwhiz22: (This is a shorter document and will remain at a higher level. It is not a low-level security audit.)

15:28:43 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: if your objective is to get us to cough up details of supply chain logistics, go tell the fuhrer that you failed.

15:28:58 robwhiz22: No.

15:29:09 robwhiz22: I don't need any details or any input from you. The process doesn't need to be iterative.

15:29:15 asciilifeform: !down robwhiz22

15:29:15 assbot: Can't do that, asciilifeform.

15:29:32 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: wat.

15:29:35 robwhiz22: Out of my experience, it does help to receive half up-front and then half when I state the documents are prepared and show their existence and length.

15:29:48 pankkake: !down robwhiz22

15:29:58 pankkake: weird

15:29:59 asciilifeform: ty

15:30:14 kakobrekla: yes yes update cumin

15:30:58 asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> I didn't ask you for any details.

15:31:05 asciilifeform: robwhiz22> (And won't be asking for some.) I mean, I see that you are concerned whether the chips that you have selected can really be trusted not to be reflashable over USB. This will be addressed briefly in the shorter documen.t

15:31:05 asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> I don't need to know the details.

15:31:12 asciilifeform: damn the moron won't shut up.

15:31:18 asciilifeform: well, he can talk to the aether.

15:31:30 asciilifeform: the sakura leaves won't catch themselves.

15:31:55 pankkake: robwhiz22: just make a better cardano and let the market decide

15:32:36 *: asciilifeform would rather feed pigeons than trolls.

15:32:45 fluffypony: I agree with pankkake

15:33:05 fluffypony: We've just gotten to friends for supper

15:33:19 fluffypony: Having a lamb potjie

15:33:32 fluffypony: Sorry robwhiz22, you'll have to buy voice from someone else

15:33:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]

15:33:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC

15:33:48 Anduck: !up robwhiz22

15:33:48 assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.

15:33:51 Anduck: hehehe

15:33:55 robwhiz22: Thank you, Anduck.

15:34:07 fluffypony: Cheers all

15:34:20 pankkake: ;;rate Anduck -1 whore

15:34:21 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user Anduck has been recorded.

15:34:22 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, you have misunderstood me and I do not intend to receive any internal informatoin about your supply chain, designs, or anything else. I would just contribute based on what I have found publicly.

15:34:24 Anduck: behave, robwhiz22

15:34:24 kakobrekla: how much was it

15:34:25 pankkake: lol shit

15:34:28 pankkake: ;;unrate Anduck

15:34:30 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for Anduck.

15:34:50 pankkake: I inserted a double bold character but it was stripped by the ircd. silly

15:35:18 Anduck: gribble'ss wise

15:35:22 robwhiz22: Also, ad hominem name-calling (obviously) doesn't improve designs. However, I have had bosses that swear like sailors, so I will let it slide.

15:37:51 ThickAsThieves: !down robwhizz22

15:37:51 assbot: ThickAsThieves, robwhizz22 is not voiced.

15:37:57 ThickAsThieves: !down robwhiz22

15:37:57 assbot: Can't do that, ThickAsThieves.

15:38:02 ThickAsThieves: curses

15:39:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1609 @ 0.00020067 = 0.3229 BTC [+] {6}

15:39:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 891 @ 0.00021208 = 0.189 BTC [+] {3}

15:39:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03689925 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {2}

15:41:58 robwhiz22: So, if someone is an investor in n.nsa they can commission the internal design proposals (and briefer security overview of the current Cardano). They can own the results until/unless N.NSA uses it, and if N.NSA never ships anything, then it won't be a total loss to the investor.

15:42:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8097 @ 0.00096537 = 7.8166 BTC [+]

15:43:39 robwhiz22: So far they have slipped over 4 months on a delivery schedule, and have a non-functional product for the usage described.

15:44:15 mod6: stfu, and its s.nsa

15:44:38 robwhiz22: OK

15:47:24 kakobrekla: !up cgcardona_

15:47:24 assbot: Voicing cgcardona_ for 30 minutes.

15:47:33 kakobrekla: you want smth?

15:47:57 cgcardona_: wondering about the 'last seen' command.

15:48:06 cgcardona_: wanting to see last time MGK- was around

15:48:08 kakobrekla: it works with gribble not assbot

15:48:12 kakobrekla: ;;seen mgk

15:48:12 gribble: mgk was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 10 hours, 44 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <MGK> miner would you like me to send you some bitcoin so you can be cool too?

15:48:22 cgcardona_: ah cool. thnx

15:49:26 cgcardona_: noticed that this deal looks like it was legit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557874.20. Wanting to follow up on the 1btc casasius (s)he mentioned having for sale. cc/ MGK (if you happen to see this)

15:49:34 cgcardona_: thnx

15:49:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.037 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2}

15:51:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

15:51:08 dexX7: would it be possible to create a gpg targeted firmware for a trezor device?

15:52:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5182 @ 0.00096336 = 4.9921 BTC [-] {2}

16:00:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.15514752 BTC to 7`679 shares, 41088 satoshi per share

16:04:55 bounce: cgcardona_: could try ;;later tell mgk <your message here>

16:05:00 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/

16:05:01 ozbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:05:10 mircea_popescu: i say that's a big deal.

16:05:35 cgcardona_: bounce: thanks. appreciate the help on the syntax.

16:07:29 cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: been wondering how that all works. will check that out as well. thx

16:07:50 mircea_popescu: cool.

16:09:43 cgcardona_: btw I finally heard back from the PiperWallet dude after a month. He said he was so slammed w/ orders that he hadn't checked his email and somehow my order got lost (sigh). Refunded me the btc and shipped the device. Should be here any day.

16:09:43 cgcardona_: funny he finally answered the *day after* I talked shit on twitter.

16:09:43 cgcardona_: basically slamming piperwallet and saying I'd never send any more btc their way. The next day I get an email w/ refund and shipped wallet

16:10:07 benkay: modern customer service.

16:10:20 cgcardona_: yea guess so

16:10:52 benkay: ;;calc (1 + 5^.5)/2

16:10:52 gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.

16:10:59 benkay: ;;calc (1 + 5**.5)/2

16:11:00 gribble: 1.61803398875

16:11:12 benkay: well, math still works.

16:11:34 cgcardona_: I heard the NSA are working on that

16:11:40 cgcardona_: should have it cracked any day now

16:11:47 cgcardona_: (math that is) ^

16:12:45 benkay: the little brother's new girlfriend turns out to be surprisingly difficult to discomfit.

16:12:49 benkay: she also does dishes.

16:13:02 benkay: i think she's a keeper, but we'll see over the long term.

16:14:10 benkay: robwhiz22: i dgaf about this 'improving the cardano' routine.

16:14:52 benkay: the cardano's not meant to address a large market.

16:18:04 Duffer1: too quiet

16:18:09 benkay: shut up

16:18:19 benkay: i was enjoying it.

16:18:25 Duffer1: :P

16:20:42 mircea_popescu: i guess time for moar tits.

16:21:21 nubbins`: !up robwhiz22

16:21:21 assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.

16:23:37 mircea_popescu: basically kako worked his butt off for two days to add a hamster wheel to -assets

16:27:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC

16:28:45 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/IgwgX.jpg

16:29:44 bounce: no wings?

16:30:55 benkay: i was expecting tits.

16:31:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1668 @ 0.00095902 = 1.5996 BTC [-]

16:31:57 bounce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GreatTit002.jpg

16:34:24 bounce: !up Mats_cd03

16:34:24 assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.

16:34:35 bounce: homie? HOMIE!?!

16:35:03 Mats_cd03: r u mad cause i implied a racial familiarity

16:35:51 bounce: what's race got to do with it?

16:36:43 Mats_cd03: what do you mean, you people?

16:37:10 nubbins`: bounce, that's a set of great tits

16:37:23 kakobrekla: !up test303030

16:37:23 assbot: Insufficient rights, kakobrekla.

16:37:29 Mats_cd03: mp: hamlion? awesome

16:38:00 Mats_cd03: or is that a cat... i can't tell...

16:38:30 benkay: new theory

16:38:31 Mats_cd03: (yes i know lions are cats)

16:38:39 benkay: robwhiz22 is tiberius

16:39:19 Mats_cd03: worst con ever

16:39:37 benkay: guys a pro

16:39:46 robwhiz22: benkay, no, I am not tiberius.

16:39:49 benkay: (if this holds)

16:39:53 benkay: !down robwhiz22

16:40:04 benkay: i like the troll tib, not the scammer tib.

16:40:14 nubbins`: more of a see-saw than a hamster wheel

16:40:16 Mats_cd03: dude needs to practice on marks that dont know shit

16:40:29 benkay: this is probably the best practice the guy's had in his life.

16:40:32 Mats_cd03: you have to be fucking dumb to try to con anybody in here

16:40:49 benkay: i don't think he's actually trying to con anyone.

16:41:02 benkay: it's just troll stuff. occupying attention. getting people goated.

16:41:03 bounce: some people believe they hold up to high standards

16:41:25 Mats_cd03: i think so

16:41:36 benkay: heh.

16:41:41 Mats_cd03: spouting some garbage and business and social vectors as an attack against the cardano?

16:41:48 benkay: someone in the shop complained that i was being obtuse recently.

16:41:52 Mats_cd03: err ^about business

16:41:54 benkay: i said "think, man, think!"

16:42:07 benkay: "i have high standards. don't disappoint me."

16:42:22 benkay: "i can't possibly be explicit with all the things bound up in that."

16:42:41 benkay: it was some ironic comment about web vs ios software deployments.

16:42:46 benkay: layered, complicated.

16:42:52 nubbins`: power speak!

16:42:54 benkay: i can't possibly unpack that shit in a fast moving conversation.

16:42:55 kakobrekla: !up test303030

16:43:03 benkay: i had my power stance on too

16:43:04 Mats_cd03: robwhiz22: yes i know your opinion. since there are multiple vectors it would not be a loss to reveal one of many?

16:43:09 benkay: BALLS FORWARDS

16:43:18 nubbins`: heh

16:43:24 nubbins`: so, leaning backwards?

16:43:32 benkay: yeah we don't lean in around here

16:43:40 Mats_cd03: robwhiz22: your btc addr is saved in this log, if the cardano ends up shipping with defects i will transmit 5btc myself

16:43:41 benkay: the only leaning that happens is backwards as my cock gets sucked

16:43:46 nubbins`: https://dancingreview.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/365b92ff1d394e9915162d4e6feb815d_01.jpg

16:43:53 nubbins`: ^ benkay at work

16:43:56 nubbins`: :D

16:43:56 benkay: haha

16:43:57 benkay: yess

16:44:04 benkay: typing upside down

16:44:06 kakobrekla: !up test303030

16:44:06 assbot: Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.

16:44:11 benkay: i have a special backwards leaning standing desk

16:44:15 benkay: kbd taped to the bottom

16:44:16 nubbins`: twist: your mouth is open because someone else is power speaking at YOU

16:44:16 kakobrekla: !down test303030

16:44:25 benkay: what a twist!

16:44:39 benkay: ah mr back tic

16:44:44 benkay: you and my sides

16:44:46 nubbins`: that's actually a great pose

16:44:48 nubbins`: look at his feet

16:45:01 benkay: tough shit

16:45:03 nubbins`: nod

16:45:29 benkay: i have a great shaggy dog

16:45:32 kakobrekla: 1up test303030

16:45:36 kakobrekla: !up test303030

16:45:36 assbot: Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.

16:45:39 benkay: starts with dancing

16:45:45 benkay: wanted to be a ballerina

16:45:49 kakobrekla: !down test303030

16:45:51 benkay: life intervenes

16:45:55 benkay: still want to be a ballerina

16:45:57 benkay: er

16:46:02 kakobrekla: !up test303030

16:46:02 assbot: Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.

16:46:03 benkay: what's the masculine version of that word?

16:46:06 kakobrekla: !up kakobrekla

16:46:06 assbot: Really, kakobrekla?

16:46:20 bounce: ballet dancer?

16:46:22 Mats_cd03: dongerina

16:46:25 benkay: anyways punchline is 'i still like throwing girls around - consensually' with a slow stare around the room

16:46:27 kakobrekla: !down kakobrekla

16:46:30 benkay: baller

16:46:50 kakobrekla: !up test303030

16:46:50 assbot: Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.

16:46:58 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 it's a ratnul

16:48:47 mircea_popescu: seems pretty homoerotic a pose.

16:48:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]

16:49:08 nubbins`: daisy-chain for acrobats

16:49:24 mircea_popescu: anyway, out to enjoy teh weekend. with like, people. and humans.

16:49:28 mircea_popescu: catch you all laters.

16:49:37 kakobrekla: !up test303030

16:49:37 assbot: Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.

16:49:45 kakobrekla: !down test303030

16:49:50 kakobrekla: !up test303030

16:49:50 assbot: Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.

16:49:51 kakobrekla: !up test303030

16:49:51 assbot: Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.

16:50:25 kakobrekla: !down assbott

16:51:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]

16:51:27 kakobrekla: !up test303030

16:51:27 assbot: Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.

16:51:32 test323232: !up kakobrekla

16:51:32 assbot: Insufficient rights, test323232.

16:51:53 test323232: !down test323232

16:52:35 kakobrekla: !up test323232

16:52:35 assbot: Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.

16:53:01 bounce: go on then, you dog.

16:53:28 Mats_cd03: robwhiz22: on the off chance that you are not a con man, merely an idiot, consider spending more time reading the details re: the cardano that asciilifeform has provided

16:54:08 kakobrekla: !up test303030

16:54:08 assbot: Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.

16:54:13 kakobrekla: !up test323232

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16:54:18 kakobrekla: !down test32

16:54:21 kakobrekla: !down test323232

16:54:37 kakobrekla: !up test323232

16:54:37 assbot: Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.

16:54:40 kakobrekla: !down test323232

16:54:52 kakobrekla: !down test303030

16:54:57 kakobrekla: !up kakobrekla

16:54:57 assbot: Really, kakobrekla?

16:55:25 kakobrekla: !up test303030

16:55:25 assbot: Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.

16:55:43 test323232: aa

16:55:52 test303030: aa

16:56:39 kakobrekla: !up test123123

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16:59:09 kakobrekla: !up testjuhu

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17:02:01 kakobrekla: !up testjuhu2

17:02:01 assbot: Voicing testjuhu2 for 30 minutes.

17:04:01 kakobrekla: !up testjuhu2

17:04:01 assbot: Voicing testjuhu2 for 30 minutes.

17:04:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03689999 = 0.1107 BTC [-]

17:04:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04810053 = 0.1443 BTC [-]

17:04:27 kakobrekla: !up test323232

17:04:27 assbot: Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.

17:04:50 Mats_cd03: robwhiz22: in fact ill match the 10btc previously offered. when the device ships, if you can hack the device or firmware, you will have 20 of the ~50btc you are asking for

17:06:15 kakobrekla: !up test1231

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17:06:19 kakobrekla: !up test323232

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17:12:09 kakobrekla: !up test1231

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17:14:15 kakobrekla: !up test1231

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17:14:21 kakobrekla: !up test1231

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17:14:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06521 = 0.3261 BTC [+]

17:14:28 kakobrekla: !up test323232

17:14:28 assbot: Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.

17:16:14 kakobrekla: !up test323232

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17:16:20 kakobrekla: !down test323232

17:16:26 kakobrekla: !up test323232

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17:21:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05018995 = 0.1506 BTC [+]

17:21:40 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Great article

17:22:05 fluffypony: Precisely the reason that ;;getrating still led to scammers succeeding

17:22:47 fluffypony: And why ;;gettrust has superseded it as default (despite being used by all who understood the wot previously)

17:24:45 fluffypony: Speaking of - bitcointalk's trust system is fundamentally broken - it's not a web if you only see one part of it. Are there any tools to express bitcointalk trust as a relationship model as with the wot?

17:26:34 pankkake: what do you mean one part?

17:27:23 pankkake: bitcointalk's trust is mostly useless because of defaulttrust, and the multiple entries allowed might not be a good idea either

17:28:23 pankkake: oh also it separated the "trust list" from the trust relationships…

17:28:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61499995 = 1.23 BTC [+] {2}

17:29:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.62508857 = 4.3756 BTC [+] {3}

17:30:07 fluffypony: pankkake: That's what I mean

17:30:13 fluffypony: You see an isolated silo if you're viewing someone's trust

17:30:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00580011 = 0.2494 BTC [+] {3}

17:31:06 fluffypony: Indeed of seeing a product of relationships

17:31:41 pankkake: right. and no matter what, I kinda end up having DefaultTrust somewhere

17:32:10 fluffypony: Which defeats the purpose of it

17:33:01 pankkake: I suppose you could write a tool to interpret the relationships in another way… since those are public

17:33:12 fluffypony: Because wot doesn't care whether you're someone who just joined or you've been around for 10 years (Karpeles-Bitcoin timeline)

17:33:21 fluffypony: Yes I was thinking of that

17:34:46 fluffypony: But considering the pile Thermosflask is sitting on...he could literally pay for it to be re-engineered from scratch and built properly

17:34:54 fluffypony: And linked to the wot

17:35:33 pankkake: ;;rated theymos

17:35:34 gribble: You rated user theymos on Tue Apr 1 22:52:27 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: Runs a forum catering to scammers, donations not used to do what he promised to.

17:36:12 pankkake: anyway there are things that are very easy to fix (colored ignores) that he doesn't fix, so he's voluntarily not caring

17:37:11 fluffypony: Yeah

17:37:17 fluffypony: Frustrating considering his position

17:40:42 benkay: fluffypony: totally understandable, given his position.

17:40:53 benkay: he runs the house of iniquity. why would he bring any light to the situation?

17:44:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.0058487 = 0.1228 BTC [+] {3}

17:45:33 ThickAsThieves: http://news.yahoo.com/cherry-tree-space-mystery-baffles-japan-085044593.html

17:45:33 ozbot: 'Cherry tree from space' mystery baffles Japan - Yahoo News

17:45:50 ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> But considering the pile Thermosflask is sitting on...he could literally pay for it to be re-engineered from scratch and built properly /// yknow i kinda doubt he's still sitting on most of it

17:49:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5464 @ 0.00096695 = 5.2834 BTC [+]

17:52:25 benkay: ;;rate mod6 1 monk of the pearl

17:52:26 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mod6 has been recorded.


17:56:00 gribble: Error: 'BETTER' is not a valid integer.


17:56:06 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Duffer1 has been recorded.

17:56:32 benkay: ;;rate davout 1 did not 0day me

17:56:33 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.

17:57:05 benkay: ;;rate kakobrekla 2 much asset

17:57:06 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to 2.

17:57:56 Duffer1: <3

17:58:09 benkay: ever read those books, Duffer1 ?

17:58:53 Duffer1: i haven't

17:58:56 Duffer1: googling now

17:58:58 benkay: ;;rate asciilifeform 1 savvy with computation

17:58:59 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.

18:00:17 benkay: ;;gettrust lampelina

18:00:17 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user lampelina: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=lampelina | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampelina | Rated since: never

18:00:34 benkay: c'mon, lampelina you're making us all look bad here

18:00:40 bounce: curious how I can ask for ANY or NEG ratings, but not for POS ratings only

18:01:16 Duffer1: my nick's from .. i want to say shannara series of fantasy books, one of the characters was called an old duffer

18:01:17 benkay: you can ask for ratings?

18:06:48 dexX7: well ;;gettrust is like asking for ratings?

18:07:21 benkay: ;;gettrust dexX7

18:07:21 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user dexX7: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=dexX7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dexX7 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 20:01:25 2013

18:08:34 benkay: bounce is being unclear as to whether asking to be rated or asking gribble for the ratings of people.

18:10:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 576 @ 0.08299776 = 47.8067 BTC [-]

18:17:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1110 @ 0.00096663 = 1.073 BTC [-]

18:27:50 thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://gist.github.com/leffuy/750a4291264fa2de03a5 as per http://fraudsters.com/2013/blogging-is-a-muscle-and-other-observations/

18:27:50 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:28:36 thestringpuller: benkay: seems robwhiz22 provided plenty of lulz no?

18:28:45 bounce: asking b-otc.com for the list of someone's {received,sent} ratings. has a parameter that lets you only show negative ratings or all ratings, but not just the positive ratings

18:30:27 benkay: bounce some api?

18:30:41 benkay: i just sort by rating when i'm curious

18:31:46 fluffypony: scrape the html?

18:32:15 bounce: actually using the json version of same, yes. and yes, it's fairly trivial to do the filtering. just noticed that it does give you ways to filter, only the available criteria are exactly not what I need

18:32:26 benkay: just give me all the data yo

18:32:31 benkay: i'll filter it how i want it kthxbai

18:32:41 benkay: thestringpuller: much lulz

18:33:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05049999 = 0.101 BTC [+] {2}

18:37:55 bounce: ;;gettrust assbot magicaltux

18:37:55 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010

18:38:22 bounce: one positive, so he'd still get to !up himself.

18:38:38 fluffypony: lol

18:40:21 kakobrekla: ;;rate lampelina 3 she will not run with the money

18:40:22 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user lampelina has been recorded.

18:40:34 benkay: ;;gettrust lampeline

18:40:35 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user lampeline: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=lampeline | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampeline | Rated since: never

18:40:36 benkay: ;;gettrust lampelina

18:40:37 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask lampelina!~lampi@unaffiliated/lampelina. Trust relationship from user benkay to user lampelina: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=lampelina | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampelina | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 14:40:11 2014

18:41:16 benkay: ;;rate lampelina 1 has not yet run with the money

18:41:17 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user lampelina has been recorded.

18:41:54 benkay: with gpg toolchain req'd for voice, wot should spread nicely.

18:43:49 benkay: ;;gettrust magicaltux

18:43:49 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010

18:43:57 benkay: ;;getrating magicaltux

18:43:57 gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating

18:44:05 benkay: ;;gettrust magicaltux

18:44:06 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010

18:44:28 benkay: bounce gotta have positive ratings to self-up

18:44:43 benkay: kakobrekla: confirm ^^ plz?

18:45:42 kakobrekla: m?

18:45:55 kakobrekla: lvl 1 or lvl 2 to assbot must be > 0

18:46:25 kakobrekla: either one >0 will do

18:48:18 benkay: magicaltux cannot in that case self-voice. lvl 1 = 0, lvl 2 = -2.

18:48:34 bounce: your powers of deduction elude you

18:48:49 benkay: it is early

18:48:52 benkay: what ams rong?

18:49:06 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot magicaltux

18:49:06 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010

18:49:17 bounce: now bring up that graph

18:49:42 benkay: so?

18:49:47 benkay: he's a -6 at level2.

18:49:55 bounce: yeah. but only the positives count.

18:50:06 benkay: what?

18:50:29 benkay: i'm pretty sure that's what kakobrekla means when he says > 0

18:51:07 kakobrekla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6

18:51:15 bounce: in that case I need to re-do the calculation in the script. oh well.

18:51:21 kakobrekla: -6 should be > 0 or 0 should be > 0

18:51:28 kakobrekla: i dunno how to make it more clear

18:52:30 bounce: dunno where the misunderstanding crept in earlier then. let's fix it.

18:52:38 benkay: haha

18:52:56 benkay: "programming is the art of telling people what you want the computer to do."

18:53:20 kakobrekla: hm

18:53:26 kakobrekla: i think im done with the new code more or less

18:53:52 kakobrekla: gonna switch in a minute, and lets see if it explodes

18:54:08 bounce: people waffle a lot. curiously, khersonus came up with a mostly identical list, making the same error

19:04:37 kakobrekla: it should not give you the right to !down until you re-!up

19:04:43 kakobrekla: or something.

19:05:05 bounce: how so?

19:05:25 fluffypony: bed time, cheers

19:05:41 kakobrekla: just the way it works bounce , its a one time thing

19:06:44 kakobrekla: also i could down you until you do so

19:06:53 kakobrekla: i think.

19:12:03 punkman: ;;view 20308

19:12:05 gribble: #20308 Sat Apr 12 15:09:56 2014 punkman SELL 1.0 code @ 0.1 btc (Will code (py,php,js,css,other) for BTC.)

19:12:14 bounce: hypothetically speaking, if assbot rates b with -1, do any ratings of b to c count positively for c?

19:12:37 bounce: as in, how you implemented it.

19:14:02 kakobrekla: that is really depends on wot implementation which i didnt do

19:14:23 kakobrekla: but i think the answer is no?

19:14:28 kakobrekla: perhaps find an example

19:14:37 kakobrekla: ;;gettrust kakobrekla magicaltux

19:14:37 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010

19:15:03 kakobrekla: ;;rated magicaltux

19:15:03 gribble: You have not yet rated user magicaltux

19:15:05 bounce: assbot does a ;;gettrust to gribble, or what does it do?

19:15:08 kakobrekla: yes

19:15:36 kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot kakobrekla

19:15:37 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla. Trust relationship from user assbot to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011

19:15:50 kakobrekla: liek dat

19:19:35 thestringpuller: ;;ident

19:19:35 gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

19:25:24 bounce: then I get 429 names. time for a new list.

19:40:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0659994 = 0.264 BTC [+]

19:45:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05049999 = 0.2525 BTC [+]

19:45:22 bounce: http://pastebin.ca/2695190 now for figuring out what to put in the "via" list again

19:45:59 kakobrekla: 130 ppl

19:46:02 kakobrekla: how much was it before?

19:46:45 bounce: I count 429, and it was, er, 437 before

19:47:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05049999 = 0.2525 BTC [+]

19:48:12 bounce: magicaltux, fbastage, gigavpx, gmaxwell, komododragon, lucidlepidoptera, mtgox, ne0futur, and topace went out, bitdragon and lampelina got added (due to getting +1 later)

19:48:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05049999 = 0.2525 BTC [+]

19:48:45 bounce: s/vpx/vps/

19:49:39 joecool: ??

19:52:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27433 @ 0.00096416 = 26.4498 BTC [-]

19:58:42 kakobrekla: there ya go benkay , you made the front of bitcoin-assets.com

19:59:03 benkay: *fist pumps*

19:59:15 benkay: micro utility delivered

19:59:21 kakobrekla: :)

20:04:56 kakobrekla: ha, was about to edit the wiki and i see pankkake beat me to it. gj!

20:05:23 pankkake: about wot?

20:05:27 kakobrekla: mhm :)

20:22:33 mircea_popescu: fluffypony the btctalk wot is broken discussion was carried when thermos first made it. the conclusion pretty much went like "well it's not really all that broken, in that you can remove him from your trust line. a default population is useful cause derps otherwise wouldn';t even understand wtf it is"

20:25:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22011 @ 0.00096249 = 21.1854 BTC [-] {2}

20:30:07 mircea_popescu: <bounce> one positive, so he'd still get to !up himself. << i don't think so. the total is negative.

20:30:29 mircea_popescu: ;;rate lampelina 1 Kako vouches for her up to over 9000 bitcoinz provided it's to buy shoes and things.

20:30:31 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user lampelina has been recorded.

20:33:45 mircea_popescu: !up keonne

20:33:45 assbot: Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu.

20:33:50 mircea_popescu: eh wtf

20:34:04 mircea_popescu: I R TAKE THIS AS A PERSONAL INSURT

20:34:12 benkay: personal insert

20:34:23 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla didja break it meanwhile ?

20:34:29 benkay: !up keonne

20:34:29 assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.

20:34:42 benkay: !down keonne

20:34:42 assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.

20:34:47 benkay: !up benkay

20:34:47 assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.

20:35:00 benkay: well this is not quite asspected.

20:35:09 mircea_popescu: amazing asspic

20:35:09 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:35:29 mircea_popescu: for the unrefined palates :

20:35:31 mircea_popescu: ;;google aspic

20:35:32 gribble: Aspic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspic; The Icky Era of Aspic » Sociological Images - The Society Pages: http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/02/15/the-icky-era-of-aspic/; Aspic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aspic

20:36:46 nubbins`: wow

20:37:02 benkay: not to be confused with asdic

20:37:10 jurov: kako revoked wrryone

20:37:14 jurov: *erryone

20:37:51 benkay: ;;google asdic

20:37:51 gribble: ASDIC / Sonar - Technical pages - Fighting the U-boats - uboat.net: http://uboat.net/allies/technical/asdic.htm; Sonar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonar; Asdic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/asdic

20:39:24 mircea_popescu: khersonus to scoop is journo lingo, it denotes the act of someone beating you to the punch. dun how illiterate louts speak, like in "I dun name dis hill D?Andre Mountain!"

20:40:48 mircea_popescu: !protest this inequity

20:47:16 kakobrekla: yes mircea_popescu i fixed it

20:47:25 mircea_popescu: !up keonne

20:47:25 assbot: Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu.

20:47:31 mircea_popescu: lies

20:47:33 mircea_popescu: and slander.

20:48:04 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2014#620809

20:48:07 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

20:48:55 khersonus: mircea_popescu: I know, I just found it amusing that you phrased it like that (I'd expect it more from a US southerner)

20:49:11 mircea_popescu: o wait cause he was voiced already ?

20:49:15 mircea_popescu: mno

20:49:24 mircea_popescu: khersonus :p

20:49:40 khersonus: btw, do you use a wordpress plugin for footnotes or something you wrote?

20:49:57 kakobrekla: just !up yourself on pm and all will be ok

20:50:02 kakobrekla: its a one time thing

20:50:19 kakobrekla: then up and down should werk

20:50:33 kakobrekla: so far noone has done that cept me

20:50:53 mircea_popescu: khersonus it's a plugin. wp-footnotes

20:51:07 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/pluginuri-wordpress-utile/ << there's the list of all the plugins i use, linked

20:51:08 ozbot: Pluginuri wordpress utile pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

20:51:09 kakobrekla: btw mircea_popescu your shoes comment made lampelina pissy.

20:51:14 mircea_popescu: imo vely useful.

20:51:23 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aww why!

20:51:28 khersonus: mircea_popescu: I saw that, but it hadn't been updated for quite some time, but if it works for you it'll work for me

20:51:46 kakobrekla: "if he would mention pursues i would slap him when i see him."

20:51:47 mircea_popescu: !up keonne

20:51:47 assbot: Voicing keonne for 30 minutes.

20:51:50 mircea_popescu: a cool

20:51:52 lampelina: khersonus, you don't need a plugin http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/creating-footnotes-in-wordpress/

20:52:06 mircea_popescu: lampelina whai so violent

20:52:19 lampelina: might work for you too mircea_popescu :)

20:52:21 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla now i know why i wear a beard.

20:52:28 kakobrekla: lel

20:52:34 khersonus: lampelina: yeah, but that requires more work... I saw that page too though

20:52:35 lampelina: I'm not violent, just trying to help

20:52:38 mircea_popescu: lol

20:53:04 asciilifeform: ;;ident

20:53:04 lampelina: more plugins, slower WP

20:53:05 gribble: Nick 'asciilifeform', with hostmask 'asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-246-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net', is identified as user 'asciilifeform', with GPG key id B98228A001ABFFC7, key fingerprint 17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7, and bitcoin address None

20:53:30 khersonus: lampelina: (help appreciated :) )

20:54:03 asciilifeform: ;;rate kakobrekla 3 maker of high-quality spammicide.

20:54:05 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.

20:55:01 kakobrekla: thank you, the reward should really go to all spammiciders

20:58:53 mircea_popescu: http://www.mimiboutique.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cheylas_studded_bag_papaya1-720x720.jpg

20:59:32 kakobrekla: is the nekkid chick behind the bag?

20:59:55 mircea_popescu: that's a carryall

21:00:44 bounce: re list of !up-able nicks, turns out we both got the math wrong. hence new and slightly shorter list and a little more work adding the numbers.

21:03:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 319 @ 0.00068999 = 0.2201 BTC [+]

21:04:02 mircea_popescu: bounce graphs. it's like... the one thing you'll for sure get someone with.

21:04:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 314 @ 0.00068999 = 0.2167 BTC [+]

21:04:59 mircea_popescu: .bait with purses pls

21:05:00 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcfedyMlLh1rhboewo1_500.gif

21:05:19 mircea_popescu: i r disappoint ozbot

21:06:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1095 @ 0.00069255 = 0.7583 BTC [+] {3}

21:07:15 bounce: no gd here. where did I have gd again?

21:08:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 485 @ 0.00069999 = 0.3395 BTC [+] {3}

21:09:30 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/42d9287b1d61c7cd9017c4b8ca023631/tumblr_n0803lmgg11ssm832o1_500.jpg

21:11:22 nubbins`: !up robwhiz22

21:11:22 assbot: Insufficient rights, nubbins`.

21:11:27 nubbins`: smd

21:12:02 kakobrekla: nubbins` up yourself first

21:12:08 kakobrekla: on pvt

21:12:19 nubbins`: i did hours ago!

21:12:36 nubbins`: !up robwhiz22

21:12:36 assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.

21:12:38 kakobrekla: its a one time thing since i change the sys

21:12:42 nubbins`: aha.

21:12:46 nubbins`: realized as soon as i said

21:12:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 332 @ 0.00073499 = 0.244 BTC [+]

21:13:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00073499 = 0.147 BTC [+]

21:13:59 joecool: nubbins`: what mobile provider you using in nfld atm?

21:14:13 nubbins`: robwhiz22: serendipitously, fraudsters just published an article that touches on the topics we discussed earlier regarding why i won't rate you

21:14:15 nubbins`: http://fraudsters.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/

21:14:15 ozbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:14:17 nubbins`: joecool: telus

21:14:38 asciilifeform: now he wants a wot rating? the balls!

21:14:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000735 = 0.147 BTC [+]

21:15:14 joecool: nubbins`: ah ok, trying to see who has it pretty well covered out there, my carrier (wind) is regional, i usually used rogers prepaid for traveling to montreal and middle of nowhere places

21:15:30 nubbins`: rogers has terrible coverage here

21:15:41 nubbins`: bell and telus share an LTE network, island-wide coverage

21:15:56 nubbins`: rogers works in the cities and along the TCH, and pretty much nowhere else

21:16:31 joecool: the plans just suck for any of the big 3 :(

21:16:52 nubbins`: i renegotiated the last time my contract was up, my plan isn't terrible

21:17:02 nubbins`: public offerings are weak tho

21:17:15 joecool: i use ~30gb/mo in the US on t-mo and at&t, and close to 10gb on wind up here

21:17:23 nubbins`: wow

21:17:34 nubbins`: i might get close to 1gb a few months a year

21:17:49 nubbins`: asciilifeform: just so he can up himself tho, natch ;)

21:23:17 joecool: nubbins`: tbh i'm fine with HSPA coverage so long as i can actually use it, 1gb is pretty easy to go through in a day (well a couple hours)

21:23:29 mircea_popescu: jesus god limited data for your cell ?!

21:23:31 joecool: my at&t plan is ~$35/mo per line for unlimited hspa

21:23:31 mircea_popescu: why even have one ?!

21:24:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik, no u.s. carrier will sell unlimited (or even 'unlimited') wireless data for any price a human might pay

21:24:22 joecool: asciilifeform: you are wrong

21:24:22 mircea_popescu: the inanity.

21:24:36 asciilifeform: i certainly hope to be proven wrong

21:24:48 joecool: i have unlimited on at&t and t-mobile, though my at&t plan might be slightly dishonest by some measure

21:24:58 asciilifeform: unlimited or 'unlimited' ?

21:25:04 Anduck: hahaha

21:25:04 joecool: namely i buy a phone sold outside the US market and provision it as a featurephone

21:25:07 jurov: lol what do you do with the phone? i rarely overstep 500M soft monthly limit

21:25:16 Anduck: in finland almost all 3g/4g are unlimited

21:25:20 joecool: asciilifeform: i have used as much as 60gb in a month on at&t without coming subject to a throttle

21:25:51 joecool: jurov: tethering and music streaming (mostly the latter)

21:26:37 joecool: t-mobile offers unlimited for $70 (might be $80 now) plus a bunch of other perks (unlimited text and 2G roaming international is nice)

21:26:43 joecool: but the coverage sucks compared to at&t

21:27:18 joecool: in canada i have a regional carrier called wind for $30/mo they have fake unlimited that throttles after 10gb

21:27:36 joecool: all of the above have no contracts

21:27:51 joecool: well, no term i should say

21:28:27 asciilifeform: where i live, sprint co. used to sell 'unlimited' modems, but go and try to actually use. speeds analogous to traditional landline modems, in practice.

21:29:00 joecool: asciilifeform: with at&t i get ~6mbit/s majority of the time, drops into the 1-2mbit/s range if signal is crappy or its around rush hour

21:29:28 joecool: t-mobile is a wide range of speeds going up into the 30mbit/s or so range when i hit LTE

21:29:46 joecool: i haven't gotten into any zones that are using 15mhz or 20mhz LTE yet, just 10mhz

21:30:22 joecool: wind is a hspa+ network i see ~10mbit/s in practice

21:40:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.00587132 = 1.1273 BTC [+] {5}

21:41:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 122 @ 0.60069569 = 73.2849 BTC [-] {6}

21:41:50 robwhiz22: Hi, this channel flashed. I think it's ridiculous to voice me only if I am spoken to.

21:42:13 kakobrekla: nubbins` suggested a solution to this.

21:47:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]

21:54:51 benkay: huehuehue

22:09:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03499999 = 0.175 BTC [-]

22:09:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05018656 = 0.2509 BTC [-]

22:10:18 cgcardona_: sweet. i can speak.

22:10:52 kakobrekla: its like health. you take it for granted until you lose it.

22:10:56 benkay: http://www.nilsschneider.net/2013/01/28/recovering-bitcoin-private-keys.html

22:10:57 ozbot: Recovering Bitcoin private keys using weak signatures from the blockchain / Nils Schneider

22:11:06 cgcardona_: totally

22:12:32 kakobrekla: http://xkcd.com/221/

22:12:33 ozbot: xkcd: Random Number

22:12:44 kakobrekla: gotta save resources on mobile devices.

22:13:09 benkay: it was picked randomly!

22:13:19 nubbins`: kakobrekla i suggested a solution to something?!

22:13:22 nubbins`: what sorcery is this

22:13:54 jurov: fluffypony yea thermos gave most of the stash away: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/looking-for-people-to-store-some-of-the-forums-money.82849/page-10#post-1549423

22:14:22 nubbins`: jurov lel +!

22:14:25 nubbins`: +1 even!

22:15:02 jurov: http://bitbet.us/bet/314/bitcointalk-org-treasurer-to-be-scammer-tagged/ i made the bet then

22:15:03 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcointalk.org treasurer to be scammer tagged

22:15:12 jurov: and then they discontinued scammer tags

22:15:17 benkay: ouch.

22:15:27 jurov: interesting coincidence :)

22:15:49 nubbins`: ;D

22:16:41 kakobrekla: is there any word any of these people still have ze money

22:17:40 nubbins`: john k disappeared a few times

22:17:44 nubbins`: haven't really kept up on it

22:18:08 kakobrekla: but he is not on the list

22:18:33 nubbins`: "john"

22:18:36 jurov: that's another john?

22:18:40 nubbins`: can't be

22:18:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 68 @ 0.58053655 = 39.4765 BTC [-] {10}

22:18:59 jurov: i guess john as john, all are the saem :DDD

22:19:01 nubbins`: well, i mean, it can be. but john k had 1k btc of the forum's money

22:19:23 jurov: ;;ud john

22:19:23 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=John | "i am soooo confused about what to do about John..he is great..but confusingggg. he constantly makes me sad, angryy, or depressed. its upsetting. is it worth it?

22:19:24 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: John

22:19:58 jurov: lmao

22:20:36 nubbins`: confusinggggggg!

22:20:41 nubbins`: angryyyyy!

22:28:48 asciilifeform: !up robwhiz22

22:28:48 assbot: Insufficient rights, asciilifeform.

22:28:57 asciilifeform: !up asciilifeform

22:28:57 assbot: Insufficient rights, asciilifeform.

22:29:06 asciilifeform: bah

22:29:17 asciilifeform: !up robwhiz22

22:29:17 assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.

22:29:43 asciilifeform: Let there be spam.

22:30:04 nubbins`: cheap sneakers rolex oakley nike rayban vacations pm me for details

22:30:19 asciilifeform: Spam Like a Pro In 21 Days! (tm)

22:30:21 nubbins`: 0.99btc/min standard long distance rates apply

22:30:44 robwhiz22: thanks, asciilifeform

22:30:53 jurov: Amazing! V I A G R A as Low as BTC 0.033 .

22:31:02 nubbins`: turn your peanut into a banana!

22:31:10 robwhiz22: Let there be no spam.

22:31:16 nubbins`: ;/

22:31:18 benkay: turn your spam into sirloin!

22:31:54 nubbins`: fun fact, spam is a healthy mixture of ham and pork shoulder

22:32:03 nubbins`: just with salt instead of health

22:32:34 robwhiz22: spam is a "healthy" mixture of "ham" and "pork"..."shoulder"

22:32:42 artifexd: asciilifeform: Sprint still sells unlimited (not "unlimited") data and their network continues to get better. It might be worthwhile to recheck Sprint's coverage of your area.

22:32:44 nubbins`: there y'go

22:33:04 nubbins`: i've got about 20 pounds of pork shoulder in my freezer. perfect fat/muscle ratio for making sausages.

22:33:14 nubbins`: terrible for roasts

22:33:18 asciilifeform: artifexd: thanks - i might, if i ever need a field modem again

22:33:23 robwhiz22: !down nubbins`

22:33:23 assbot: Insufficient rights, robwhiz22.

22:33:45 nubbins`: you can't !down the aristocracy!

22:33:55 benkay: down with the aristocracy!

22:33:56 asciilifeform: they're great for work sites with fascist admins

22:34:29 nubbins`: oh fuck

22:34:31 nubbins`: i just remembered

22:34:38 robwhiz22: back later

22:34:41 nubbins`: i ordered a new sausage stuffing horn and it arrived yesterday

22:34:52 nubbins`: thirty fuckin dollars for 20 cents of plastic

22:34:52 artifexd: I use them for my day to day cell phone. Some people have issues. They have been good to me in my area. Of course, so has Comcast.

22:35:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06521005 = 0.6521 BTC [-] {2}

22:35:21 nubbins`: $24 alone was "express" shipping, only option available

22:35:24 nubbins`: anyway

22:35:26 nubbins`: rum, music

22:35:27 nubbins`: peace

22:36:24 bounce: 3d printers with food-grade plastics available?

22:36:34 [\]: ooh

22:36:37 [\]: I still have +v

22:36:39 [\]: magic

22:43:03 asciilifeform: !up TestingUnoDosTre

22:43:03 assbot: Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.

22:43:26 TestingUnoDosTre: that urban dictionary of John was ridiculous

22:57:42 robwhiz22: I'm back

22:58:06 [\]: oh good

22:58:08 [\]: we were worried

22:58:11 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I asked you - Have you also seen my emails to Polimedia?

22:58:14 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, http://pastebin.com/PmB4GvAd and http://pastebin.com/gJXyvXgd were my two emails

22:58:48 asciilifeform: nubbins (?) posted these earlier.

22:59:07 benkay: yeah good work mr back tick

23:01:17 asciilifeform: !up robwhiz22

23:01:17 assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.

23:01:24 robwhiz22: thanks

23:01:47 robwhiz22: Yes, I would have expected you to see them when I came in here to follow up (as that was the only reply I received from Mr. Popescu).

23:02:33 robwhiz22: But at any rate if this is the forum where any serious business negotiation goes on, so be it.

23:03:34 jurov: robwhiz22: you failed to mention MITM via evil brain implants or such interference

23:03:50 jurov: it also makes cardano unusable

23:04:49 jurov: oh and what about telekinesis?

23:05:40 robwhiz22: Well, to be fair, I didn't expect it to be posted publicly so I did not clean it up for public disclosure. Since then I've also had to explain the mitigation on point 2.

23:05:56 TestingUnoDosTre: Has anyone here even been notified of a suspicious attempt to login to a google account?

23:05:57 robwhiz22: It was supposed to just be a summaary so, you know, I'm not just claiming to have something.

23:06:04 robwhiz22: TestingUnoDosTre, yes, definitely.

23:06:38 TestingUnoDosTre: I just received my first one, and I had no two-factor login. Very worried that my data was compromised

23:07:20 benkay: any data you have on google anything was compromised long ago, TestingUnoDosTre

23:07:23 robwhiz22: Why don't you check which IP's have accessed it? Google tracks and shows you.

23:07:46 TestingUnoDosTre: their list is extremely short - where is an extensive one?

23:07:53 robwhiz22: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/45938?hl=en

23:07:53 ozbot: Last account activity - Gmail Help

23:09:49 TestingUnoDosTre: so I went here , https://security.google.com/settings/security/activity and there's only like 10 entries. all but one are from today

23:10:18 joecool: !up assbot

23:10:18 assbot: I don't do bots, joecool.

23:10:41 TestingUnoDosTre: "Sign-in events unavailable prior to this date. Other activity below."

23:10:52 asciilifeform: TestingUnoDosTre: have you sinned, used TOR? that'll set it off.

23:11:22 TestingUnoDosTre: unfortunately I haven't lost my Torginity

23:11:45 joecool: hm apparently i have a login from germany on one of my google accts

23:11:47 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, why is tor sinning?

23:11:47 joecool: interesting

23:12:21 TestingUnoDosTre: joecool, can you give me the link?

23:12:49 joecool: TestingUnoDosTre: to the ip it was signed in from?

23:12:54 [\]: anyone not using 2factor when available is stupid.

23:12:56 [\]: #justsayin

23:13:03 TestingUnoDosTre: I know, retardville over here

23:13:09 joecool: yeah i have 2fa on it

23:13:21 asciilifeform: ;;google tor heartbleed

23:13:22 gribble: NSA knew about Heartbleed for two years - Bloomberg — RT USA: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-knew-heartbleed-hacking-years-004/; DO NOT USE TOR RIGHT NOW. HEARTBLEED IS AFFECTING ALL ...: http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/22k76z/do_not_use_tor_right_now_heartbleed_is_affecting/; If You Want Privacy or Anonymity or Security, Stay Off the Internet ...: (1 more message)

23:13:28 joecool: i wonder if it's just picking up a t-mobile ip as germany

23:13:33 [\]: TestingUnoDosTre, even if you don't use the app and just get the text message

23:13:40 [\]: joecool, its possible

23:13:44 joecool: nope, it's choopa, that's my VPN

23:13:47 [\]: probably one of their asshole proxies

23:13:49 [\]: oh

23:14:18 kakobrekla: damn

23:14:24 [\]: water

23:14:27 [\]: bridge

23:14:32 [\]: electricity

23:14:35 kakobrekla: 30 mins goes by much faster than i thought originally.

23:14:40 [\]: lol

23:14:48 [\]: 30 minutes goes by in about 30 minutes

23:14:50 asciilifeform: !up TestingUnoDosTre

23:14:50 assbot: Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.

23:14:54 bounce: o_O? this is IRC, man.

23:15:04 [\]: kakobrekla, what if it was an idle timeout?

23:15:18 mike_c: kakobrekla: i am +1 for extending that time, because they can always be downed if necessary.

23:15:30 [\]: mike_c: why you gotta be a downer?

23:15:44 mike_c: born that way i suppose

23:16:25 benkay: !up robwhiz22

23:16:25 assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.

23:16:32 [\]: !up robwhiz22

23:16:32 assbot: Insufficient rights, [\\\].

23:16:40 asciilifeform: gotta up yourself first, i think

23:16:41 *: bounce points out that encourages yapping more than SingTFU and chipping in only when something to say

23:16:45 benkay: i am the fuck upped.

23:16:48 kakobrekla: yea, what ascii sez

23:16:49 [\]: asciilifeform: I am upped

23:16:49 [\]: lol

23:16:52 kakobrekla: nah

23:16:54 kakobrekla: on pvt

23:17:04 benkay: i did.

23:17:05 kakobrekla: its a new code

23:17:08 [\]: ah, ok

23:17:09 kakobrekla: just do it

23:17:10 joecool: !up [\\\]

23:17:10 assbot: Voicing [\\\] for 30 minutes.

23:17:17 joecool: lawl

23:17:18 kakobrekla: lel.

23:17:25 benkay: !up robwhiz22

23:17:25 assbot: Voice for robwhiz22 extended to 30 minutes.

23:17:28 [\]: uping me in channel has always worked

23:17:30 [\]: in pm it fails

23:17:36 kakobrekla: still ?

23:17:40 [\]: just tried

23:17:48 [\]: I say !up

23:17:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.0009601 = 7.3928 BTC [-]

23:17:50 [\]: no response

23:17:52 robwhiz22: I have voice now

23:18:00 [\]: !down [\\\]

23:18:06 robwhiz22: FWIW

23:18:08 joecool: works

23:18:30 benkay: wow

23:18:38 robwhiz22: It's probably because \ is an escape in whatever scripting language this bot is hacked together in :) :)

23:18:39 benkay: assbot kicks on downs now?

23:18:44 bounce: ;;echo !down gribble

23:18:44 gribble: !down gribble

23:18:50 benkay: HAW

23:18:54 kakobrekla: if you down yourself benkay :)

23:19:13 kakobrekla: wait whut

23:19:22 asciilifeform: since my original paste on how robwhiz22 tried to persuade me to include heartbleed in cardano has been censored (!), here's a new one, of same: http://pastebin.com/yvhVVs7C

23:19:46 kakobrekla: oh yeah i see what u did there. fuck you and your bots.

23:20:02 [\]: nanotube, disable gribble echo in here please

23:20:15 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I have not given you any recommendations that are low-level enough to match that description.

23:20:19 kakobrekla: ill fix it on my end i guess

23:20:24 joecool: wat you can down other people?

23:20:26 asciilifeform: wifi

23:20:27 kakobrekla: also add optional argument for time in minutes

23:20:33 asciilifeform: we're not idiots.

23:20:36 joecool: !down benkay

23:20:36 assbot: Insufficient rights, joecool.

23:20:42 [\]: !down urmom

23:20:42 benkay: outta my face.

23:20:43 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, moreover I always state my reasoning and am not associated with a group - the NSA M.O. is to just silently give directions on what to do.

23:20:53 [\]: !down assbot

23:20:53 assbot: I don't do bots, [\\\].

23:20:55 mike_c: <+kakobrekla> also add optional argument for time in minutes << perfect.

23:21:00 [\]: !up gribble

23:21:00 assbot: I don't do bots, [\\\].

23:21:05 [\]: yes you do you liar

23:21:17 kakobrekla: take it on pm you two

23:21:42 [\]: lol

23:21:43 asciilifeform: whether our helpful friend tried to persuade me out of the goodness of his heart, or on orders from fuhrer, is immaterial.

23:21:51 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, nobody cares about your pastebin

23:21:53 asciilifeform: the act might be more convincing without the begging bit

23:22:06 asciilifeform: somebody cared enough to zap it.

23:22:23 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, your pastebin was removed?

23:22:29 asciilifeform: aye.

23:22:51 benkay: au contraire, robwhiz22. that pastebin's damning.

23:23:04 pankkake: http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/11/technology/amazon-pay-to-quit/index.html

23:23:04 ozbot: Amazon offers employees $5,000 to quit - Apr. 11, 2014

23:23:05 robwhiz22: You never change "Paste expiration" from the default, Never?

23:23:16 robwhiz22: (I often change it to a day or an hour or whatever)

23:23:19 kakobrekla: which pastebin was removed?

23:23:20 robwhiz22: Couldn't it have just expired?

23:23:47 benkay: this is a distraction from the damning pastebin itself.

23:23:53 asciilifeform: no expire, afaik.

23:24:08 benkay: irrelevant.

23:24:34 bounce: !up moiety

23:24:34 assbot: Voicing moiety for 30 minutes.

23:24:37 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, link me in the bitcoin-assets log (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/) where you included a pastebin that was zapped.

23:24:45 moiety: ty

23:24:46 robwhiz22: This is interesting.

23:24:52 asciilifeform: search the logs

23:24:57 asciilifeform: this is tiring.

23:24:58 benkay: a wild moiety!

23:25:13 benkay: ;;gettrust moiety

23:25:13 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety. Trust relationship from user benkay to user moiety: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=moiety | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moiety | Rated since: Tue Feb 25 20:04:56 2014

23:25:15 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, fine. But I think if you're saying a link was zapped it would make sense to mention it.

23:25:27 moiety: ;; rate assbot 1 rawr

23:25:28 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.

23:25:47 bounce: now for the !up self tekneeq

23:25:52 benkay: moiety if you're idented, you can /query assbot and !up in there

23:26:03 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, for what it's worth I am not associated with any agency - my analysis, and follow-on proposal, is my own. Moreover some parts are high-level and you will have to repeat some of the work you've done if you so choose.

23:26:10 moiety: i'm just catching up, all working fine?

23:26:15 TestingUnoDosTre: if you were a really good amazon employee, wouldn't you just quit for like 2 weeks and then come back?

23:26:20 benkay: no asciilifeform insists on !upping ninjashogun

23:26:27 kakobrekla: lel

23:26:29 mircea_popescu: o look its a moiety

23:26:33 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I can tell you that for others who have purchased services like this from me they have been extremely pleased with the results. But I can't do weeks of work on spec. (without payment.)

23:26:43 benkay: !down robwhiz22

23:26:44 asciilifeform: afaik any one of you here can re-gag him if he continues to abuse hospitality

23:26:45 benkay: enough of this.

23:26:45 moiety: thanks for assbotting me kakobrekla :P

23:26:48 asciilifeform: there we go

23:26:51 mircea_popescu: <cgcardona_> sweet. i can speak. << wd.

23:26:55 moiety: hi mircea_popescu :) how are you?

23:27:43 moiety: thanks benkay, i has me pm to assbot oot already XD

23:27:54 mircea_popescu: pretty great.

23:28:35 mircea_popescu: <benkay> down with the aristocracy! << don't haet, emulaet

23:28:51 mike_c: downed before he got to explain his "HCI interaction paradigm". that sounded very meta to me. interacting with human-computer interaction.

23:29:02 benkay: what am i doing if not emulating, eh?

23:29:11 benkay: mike_c: i swear to god

23:29:14 moiety: procrastinating?

23:29:26 kakobrekla: sure thing moiety , you deserve it.

23:29:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i swear to god if you up that nimrod one more time ima shoot him on general principle

23:29:55 moiety: glad to hear it mircea_popescu i've been away a wee bit

23:30:03 mike_c: hah. one of the best lines in the movie.

23:30:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was hoping he'd go into 'tilt' and cough up the truth.

23:30:22 benkay: i hold there's no truth to be had, asciilifeform.

23:30:56 mircea_popescu: <[\\\]> kakobrekla, what if it was an idle timeout? << bad fuckin idea srsly. let people get in the wot

23:30:58 mike_c: occum says he is just your run of the mill beggar.

23:30:58 moiety: cheers kakobrekla :D ... gribble has kittenlasers, can assbot have manul lasers someday?

23:30:59 asciilifeform: i tend to give folks the benefit of the doubt, and imagine that they are clever (if devious) than merely stupid

23:31:11 asciilifeform: (too much obvious stupid in the world as it is)

23:31:13 mircea_popescu: and mike_c : downin' ain't the same thing as just ignoring it.

23:31:35 asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> I see that Mircau is getting defensive - as well he should as he is hocking snake oil at the moment.

23:31:36 mircea_popescu: also. occam!

23:31:40 benkay: mircea_popescu: commons trasher.

23:31:50 benkay: hawking, robwhiz22

23:31:51 mircea_popescu: i hope you won't be spelling my name as mirceau once i'm dead or some shit.

23:31:58 asciilifeform: gotta figure out the filter on me irc widget.

23:32:00 benkay: meer-cow

23:32:04 mircea_popescu: worst thing in the fucking world, derps make you a statue, misspell your name on it

23:32:06 mike_c: occum is occam's little known cousin.

23:32:09 benkay: /ignore, asciilifeform

23:32:10 moiety: "You, are the dude in the chair; I am, merely here"

23:32:33 mircea_popescu: moiety come again ?

23:32:40 moiety: sry random film quote

23:32:45 asciilifeform: 'robwhiz22 added to ignore list.'

23:32:46 asciilifeform: neato

23:32:47 asciilifeform: thx

23:33:04 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> also add optional argument for time in minutes << no, srsly. bad idea.

23:33:24 mike_c: why? with a reasonable cap?

23:33:35 benkay: yw

23:34:13 bounce: which film?

23:34:15 mircea_popescu: mike_c because the requisite for working power is limited power.

23:34:45 benkay: it's limited by others in the channel.

23:35:03 mircea_popescu: that's a different story. derps thought the us can work like that, too.

23:35:08 mircea_popescu: turns out... it doesn't.

23:36:23 mircea_popescu: mike_c is he a younger cousin that's known or just a cousin that's not so well known ?

23:37:00 mike_c: sorry, to be clear, occum is occam's famous midget cousin.

23:37:27 *: mircea_popescu feels niggum could end up mixed in there

23:37:29 moiety: http://youtu.be/_O6bWb7oEuE?t=45s sorry took me a while to find it

23:37:30 ozbot: Spudgun job interview - YouTube

23:37:58 moiety: http://youtu.be/_O6bWb7oEuE?t=40s this bit even

23:37:58 ozbot: Spudgun job interview - YouTube

23:40:38 bounce: thanks. probably still should sit down and see that thing

23:41:50 mircea_popescu: check it out, dick had it :

23:41:52 mircea_popescu: "Very difficult. That's very difficult, do you understand? It's difficult because you're selling to a particular group. Fat cats. Big shots. Guys who can afford $200k. And guys who can use a whole fucking suitcase full of cocaine. Basically, Clarence, guys I don't know. And guys you don't know. And more importantly, they don't know you."

23:42:30 mircea_popescu: true romance (tarantino cut) goes on teh videography of -assets

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23:45:18 moiety: bounce: it's a Danny Boyle film written by Irvine Welsh http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117951/ hope you don't need subtitles XD

23:46:35 kakobrekla: mp sez no so complaint goes to his pm. ty.

23:47:07 moiety: true romance is one of my favourite films. everyone in it is immense

23:47:36 bounce: I know about trainspotting. just haven't actually seen all of it.

23:48:49 moiety: trainspotting is not a favourite of mine, ican't deny its done well though. I much prefer Shallow Grave

23:49:37 kakobrekla: my fav is prolly still dead man.

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23:53:48 asciilifeform: http://youtu.be/DxfMbi0aCvM

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23:58:49 moiety: oh btw coachella is being streamed live over 3 chennels, mashable has the schedule and links if anyone wants it