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00:01:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00085519 = 4.8746 BTC [-]

00:48:51 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

00:48:56 gribble: Current Blocks: 305334 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1097 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 14 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12251801307.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.21254

00:50:05 mircea_popescu: damn it's tight.

00:50:14 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 14 / 1.1756551916903952

00:50:14 gribble: 11.9082534564

00:50:35 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.19 ** (1/3)

00:50:35 gribble: 1.05969850212

00:50:40 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.19 ** (1/2)

00:50:40 gribble: 1.09087121146

00:51:17 BingoBoingo: I really don't think we are making it to a third adjustment.

00:51:27 mircea_popescu: 33 days, of which a week here

00:51:37 mircea_popescu: so 26. nope. it ain't happening.

00:52:28 BingoBoingo: The trend says yes, but the externalities say no.

00:53:08 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/pbz2vxh.jpg

00:53:58 BingoBoingo: lol, is that Dogecoin trying to build some interest?

00:54:09 mircea_popescu: soon.

00:54:45 BingoBoingo: Anyone ever front you that billion Doge to take a short position?

00:55:22 mircea_popescu: notrly.

00:56:08 mircea_popescu: in spite of all the pretense as to "exchanges" and tips and whatnot, it'd seem 99%+ of all doges are actually held by the admin group

00:56:15 mircea_popescu: not much of a currency in any sense.

00:57:05 mircea_popescu: !up pgp

00:58:12 asciilifeform: re: doge - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2014#713298

00:58:12 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

00:58:20 asciilifeform: (it was pushed as 'only for the lulz', note)

01:00:15 mircea_popescu: i guess so

01:01:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00085428 = 13.1986 BTC [-] {3}

01:03:13 benkay: hey pgp!

01:03:26 benkay: ;;gettrust pgp

01:03:27 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user pgp: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=pgp | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=pgp | Rated since: never

01:04:25 benkay: huh check out that registration date

01:07:20 TheNewDeal: info pgp

01:08:22 *: asciilifeform prodded colleague to reg with gribble. he digs out pgp key from... 1992.

01:08:49 Apocalyptic: I bet it's sub 1024 bit

01:09:00 asciilifeform: 1024 if i recall.

01:22:06 asciilifeform: 'The new, thicker copper layer did resolve the heat build up from the current flow. Temp has been reduced by 20C with the new boards.' (from jborkl, quoting bfl co. lamenting its troubles.)

01:22:21 asciilifeform: ^ what happens to folks who refuse to do arithmetic before going into production

01:22:59 asciilifeform: imagine a manufacturer of, say, ups, or tv, whatnot, posting an update like this.

01:23:06 asciilifeform: why this never happens?

01:23:42 kakobrekla: also preorders

01:23:47 asciilifeform: and this.

01:24:15 asciilifeform: i can almost understand taking preorders if you're a broke, ragged dervish. but these folks have already exited that stage.

01:24:57 asciilifeform: likewise, luring people into preorders to fund a chip fab project almost makes sense. but boards?

01:26:01 kakobrekla: yea but risk on a chip is far greater

01:26:48 asciilifeform: i suspect that: when they tape out a dud asic, they simply... take preorders longer.

01:27:17 asciilifeform: !up pgp

01:27:52 kakobrekla: dunno then why silicon valley isnt silicon anymore.

01:28:55 asciilifeform: because usa.

01:30:45 *: asciilifeform finds u.s. uni professors hotlinking to images on his site; tempted to replace with goatse

01:31:08 Apocalyptic: heh

01:34:49 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/snowdenbot-wasnt-just-for-ted-now-lives-in-his-aclu-lawyers-office/

01:34:49 assbot: Snowdenbot wasnt just for TED, now lives in his ACLU lawyers office | Ars Technica

01:35:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC

01:43:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wtf is the point?

01:44:32 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Some people instead of just doing IRC get a small car instead?

01:44:55 asciilifeform: afaik, these 'robots' were originally intended for 'micromanagement' types to roll around a factory floor, pointing remote-controlled laser pointer at lazy monkeys, mouthing obscenities through speaker

01:47:07 BingoBoingo: It still isn't too late for that.

01:47:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from your link: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/us-marshals-step-in-thwart-efforts-to-learn-about-cell-tracking-devices

01:47:11 assbot: US Marshals step in, thwart efforts to learn about cell tracking devices | Ars Technica

01:47:32 asciilifeform: ^ turd concerns the use of a well-known mitm gizmo for cellular

01:48:06 asciilifeform: (consumer pnohes make no effort to authenticate - whatsoever - so this is trivial)

01:48:11 BingoBoingo: Yeah. Amazing how records request can have problems.

01:48:50 asciilifeform: the interesting thing is that there is theoretically no need for such a thing, considering that towers are more or less owned by usg

01:49:30 BingoBoingo: Indeed

01:52:06 asciilifeform: so why mitm? answer: manufacture of guilt.

01:52:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00085407 = 29.9779 BTC [-]

01:53:55 asciilifeform: the next 'new york death ray' idiot won't play ball? won't make the necessary phone call? now it can be made... for him.

01:55:34 asciilifeform: this is also the answer for why 'heartbleed' was necessary, considering that usg has at-will access to root certs

01:55:55 asciilifeform: if you can already read, why mitm? answer: for - writing.

01:58:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21522 @ 0.00085677 = 18.4394 BTC [+] {3}

01:59:22 asciilifeform: in other news: http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/jun/04/major-terrorism-trial-secret-first-time-legal-history

01:59:22 assbot: Major terrorism trial could be held in secret for first time in UK legal history | Law | theguardian.com

02:12:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00086204 = 5.6464 BTC [+] {2}

02:28:17 Blazedout419: omg so who is going to buy into sha on havelock?

02:28:48 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> imagine a manufacturer of, say, ups, or tv, whatnot, posting an update like this. << this is a 2012 comment.

02:28:56 mircea_popescu: you're not meta enough by now

02:31:50 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> this is also the answer for why 'heartbleed' was necessary, considering that usg has at-will access to root certs << not that simple.

02:31:56 mircea_popescu: it had no access to self-signed certs.

02:33:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 50 @ 0.042 = 2.1 BTC

02:35:36 mircea_popescu: http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/jun/04/major-terrorism-trial-secret-first-time-legal-history << re this pile of lol

02:35:36 assbot: Major terrorism trial could be held in secret for first time in UK legal history | Law | theguardian.com

02:36:02 mircea_popescu: on one hand, the legal principle that dorks a la mari reid & her crew may be kept secret will logically extend to defendants, too.

02:36:21 mircea_popescu: now any terrorist and any tax evader has good title to refuse any sort of information sharing, much like the prosecutor's own men do.

02:36:44 mircea_popescu: moreover, they have very little option in the matter, as their safety strictly depends on this sort of secrecy.

02:37:03 mircea_popescu: basically, technology has already made the state impossible, just at the time bitcoin showed up but mostly unrelated to it.

02:37:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.26079984 = 1.304 BTC [+] {2}

03:03:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was gonna answer 'but nobody used self-signed certs' - then remembered having done so personally at one point

03:06:08 mircea_popescu: plentyof people do.

03:12:03 Mats_cd03: asciilifeform sees monsters in the shadows

03:12:10 Mats_cd03: i dunno if i can agree

03:13:08 *: asciilifeform also sees monsters under floodlight

03:13:20 Mats_cd03: it could be much more mundane

03:13:41 Mats_cd03: like it costs the telcos money to staff people responding to LEO requests for access

03:13:54 Mats_cd03: and mitm is just simpler in execution

03:14:27 asciilifeform: probably exactly this appears on the grant applications, yes.

03:14:36 Mats_cd03: lol

03:15:45 asciilifeform: incidentally, one can trivially bake the cellular mitm gizmo from consumer hardware. (exercise for alert reader)

03:16:20 Mats_cd03: that sounds interesting, go on

03:16:40 asciilifeform: ;;google verizon network extender hack

03:16:41 gribble: It's a Cinch for Hackers to Break Into Your Verizon Network - Gizmodo: http://gizmodo.com/its-a-cinch-for-hackers-to-break-into-your-verizon-netw-790461949; How To Compete With NSA By Hacking a Verizon Network Extender ...: http://hardware-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/07/16/1343238/how-to-compete-with-nsa-by-hacking-a-verizon-network-extender; DailyTech - Hackers Show Regular (1 more message)

03:17:06 Mats_cd03: i was under the impression the equipment for this kind of thing was approaching <$1000

03:17:13 mircea_popescu: 10 years ago

03:17:15 Mats_cd03: never looked into it

03:17:20 asciilifeform: ^ vendor declared victory after disabling easy firmware update mechanism on the gadget. board still has jtag port, removable flash, etc.

03:17:32 asciilifeform: runs linux!

03:18:09 asciilifeform: used to be that it took actual sweat to source 'miniature tower' radio components

03:19:07 Mats_cd03: o, but patched, hrm

03:19:22 asciilifeform: patch is a joke

03:19:24 asciilifeform: as described above

03:19:29 Mats_cd03: probably

03:19:33 asciilifeform: not probably - certainly

03:19:40 asciilifeform: if i like, i desolder the rom and introduce mine.

03:20:09 asciilifeform: this is a ~$300 gizmo you can buy - retail

03:20:18 asciilifeform: it sits in your house, you can mutilate it at your pleasure

03:20:28 asciilifeform: other u.s. telcos have similar products

03:20:31 Mats_cd03: how interesting

03:20:43 Mats_cd03: do you have a link

03:20:49 mircea_popescu: http://giant.gfycat.com/InsidiousIncredibleAlpinegoat.gif

03:21:06 asciilifeform: but this isn't particularly interesting. the interesting part is that everything people speak of as 'inseekoore!' re: cellular comms, was baked in very deliberately - and publicly - at the start.

03:21:13 asciilifeform: e.g. the toy crypto of gsm

03:22:05 Mats_cd03: i generally presume incompetence before malice

03:22:46 asciilifeform: ;;google A5/1

03:22:47 gribble: A5/1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A5/1; A5/2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A5/2; Animation of A5/1 cipher - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgZAI3DdUA4

03:24:08 Mats_cd03: how interesting

03:29:23 asciilifeform: before the telco 'network extender' gizmos were sold (incidentally, a scam - the telco still charges for minutes despite using the chump's own local wired bandwidth!) mitm-ing was demonstrated using 'software defined radio' (inexpensive board, does exactly what is printed on the crate)

03:31:27 dub: femtocells, meh you get to use your handset

03:31:59 asciilifeform: yeah, pay per minute for the privilege of using own hardware.

03:32:02 asciilifeform: great deal.

03:32:31 dub: thats up to provider

03:32:48 asciilifeform: all u.s. providers, last i checked, charged exactly the same on femtocell.

03:32:55 Mats_cd03: neat, ill have something else i can do with the device im ordering

03:32:59 Mats_cd03: http://hakshop.myshopify.com/collections/gadgets/products/hackrf

03:33:00 assbot: HakShop — HackRF Pre-Order

03:33:11 dub: well if you're counting minutes on your mobile, im sorry

03:33:23 Mats_cd03: asciilifeform is probably going to tell me im getting ripped off

03:33:37 dub: nobody has a hardline these days so its a valid offering

03:34:25 asciilifeform: for non-u.s. folks - 'landline' phone is poison here, because it is considered fair game for spam (unlike cell)

03:34:35 asciilifeform: so they're slowly going extinct

03:34:45 *: asciilifeform never had own landline in entire adult life

03:34:51 Mats_cd03: i still get fucking spam

03:34:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thye're not so considered in europe but idem gohing extinct

03:34:56 Mats_cd03: sucks to suck

03:35:25 dub: not so slowly tbh

03:35:47 Mats_cd03: wait 20 years

03:35:47 asciilifeform: i can get pseudo-landline (tack-on to fiber terminal) for around 10 usd / mo. but... why?

03:35:49 mircea_popescu: i had my own landline. it wasn't particularly useful

03:35:59 dub: I have pots signal on my dsl line but I couldnt tell you the number

03:36:06 mircea_popescu: (trivial to tap too. if you think gsm cypher is bad, try headset-and-hairpins)

03:36:50 Mats_cd03: poor cell tower coverage, necessary to have a working phone in an emergency (e.g. elderly person), zombie apocalypse, etc

03:37:27 mircea_popescu: internet should be wired, phone wireless.

03:37:33 asciilifeform: zombie apocalypse with fiber service, right

03:38:01 Mats_cd03: i suppose i should scale it back to natural disaster

03:38:51 dub: the emergency service arguemtn for pots is fast becomming irrelevant as teh network becomes less resilient

03:39:34 Mats_cd03: and how is it becoming less resilient

03:39:41 asciilifeform: the old pots lines are gone where i live.

03:39:43 asciilifeform: see:

03:39:44 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014&bots=true#656208

03:39:45 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

03:39:47 dub: you're not wired back to a full CO anymore and the cabinet has no better battery than a cell tower

03:40:05 asciilifeform: i've more battery in here than in the cabinets. sad.

03:40:14 *: dub sheds a tear for his DMS100 days

03:45:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00086895 = 19.8555 BTC [+]

03:50:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00086895 = 7.9943 BTC [+]

04:01:13 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=430137.msg7167613#msg7167613

04:01:13 assbot: [Havelock] Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (BDD) | Page 19 | Bitcointa.lk

04:03:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17699 @ 0.00086062 = 15.2321 BTC [-]

04:30:50 mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> and how is it becoming less resilient << no comms network is as resilient as the internet

04:30:53 mircea_popescu: this, since the 80s.

04:30:56 mircea_popescu: by now, forger it

04:34:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00085359 = 29.9183 BTC [-] {3}

04:35:33 cgcardona: hi #bitcoin-assets o/

04:36:09 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

04:36:11 gribble: Current Blocks: 305362 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1069 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 19 hours, 24 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12309778451.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.70569

04:37:48 cgcardona_: ok just wanted to check if this nick had any messages

04:40:39 BingoBoingo: Ah, cool

04:41:41 cgcardona_: ;;ticker

04:41:43 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 627.91, Best ask: 629.8, Bid-ask spread: 1.89000, Last trade: 627.9, 24 hour volume: 9746.28690195, 24 hour low: 615.0, 24 hour high: 645.0, 24 hour vwap: 629.9017398

04:42:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00085786 = 21.1034 BTC [+]

04:44:45 mircea_popescu: "The problem here is not the diagnosis, which I share, nor the proposed solutions, which are proper and potent to repel the growing democratic sickness that chokes human creation. Bitcoin provides us a critical escape from forced trust in unaccountable monopolies. However, trust in transactions, per se, should not be the object of ire and in fact cannot be if we want to participate in beneficial ways. Distributed ledg

04:44:46 mircea_popescu: ers obviate the need for trust in the money changers, but humans are still trust-seeking and Bitcoin is still money and money is still trust. In a post-Bitcoin world, trust will become more important than ever."

04:44:51 mircea_popescu: dude this chick actually got it.

04:45:09 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust princessnell

04:45:09 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user princessnell: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=princessnell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=princessnell | Rated since: Thu May 8 16:20:29 2014

04:45:33 mircea_popescu: ;;rated princessnell

04:45:34 gribble: You rated user princessnell on Sun May 11 18:26:16 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: procurer for the #bitcoin-assets dungeon..

04:45:46 mircea_popescu: ;;rate princessnell 2 She's smart.

04:45:47 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user princessnell has changed from 1 to 2.

04:48:00 BingoBoingo: Defintely on the ball in ways Ms boring isn't. Forbes picked the loser.

04:49:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/11/longshots-in-three-concise-points/

04:50:30 BingoBoingo: %book

04:50:32 atcbot: 20k@264 16k@260 35k@250 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140

04:53:28 BingoBoingo: Coinion seems to have stalled out http://www.coinion.com/

04:53:28 assbot: The Coinion | Bitcoin's Finest News Source

05:00:51 mircea_popescu: hard work, easily tired kids, whats to expect.

05:01:52 BingoBoingo: You'd think the incentive your PR dropped for them on the forum would have got them reaching for 300 in a year

05:02:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "supposing whow "

05:03:01 BingoBoingo: The coinion kids.

05:03:34 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=354054.msg3878420#msg3878420

05:03:35 assbot: Introducing: The Coinion, Bitcoin's Finest News Source! Onion-clone for Bitcoin

05:04:07 mircea_popescu: http://thecurioustask.tumblr.com/post/88277407744/the-shit-triangle

05:04:07 assbot: the shit triangle - Mystery of the Mundane

05:04:10 mircea_popescu: someone translate this ?

05:07:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00085786 = 23.9772 BTC [+]

05:33:38 benkay: state media academia

05:33:47 benkay: shit triangle

05:45:10 benkay: !up Vexual

05:45:23 benkay: hey baby

05:45:39 Vexual: hey yourself

05:46:53 Vexual: I left a shit triangle next to a dumpster last night

05:48:56 Vexual: that sounded funnier in my head

05:49:19 Vexual: is THAT the shit triangle?

05:49:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23820 @ 0.00085172 = 20.288 BTC [-] {4}

05:58:37 decimation: princessnell's essay is a good read indeed

05:59:14 decimation: here's the link for the google-poor http://theumlaut.com/2014/06/10/bitcoin-is-great-but-it-wont-fix-our-monkey-brains/

05:59:18 assbot: Bitcoin Is Great, But It Won’t Fix Our Monkey Brains | The mlaut

06:01:42 decimation: "Trying to supplant our nature with technology is a losing prospect that gets it completely backwards." << what's amusing is that much of the ruling ideology of the USG is exactly this

06:02:18 decimation: nearly every gov't department wants to find ways of removing actual human accountability for problems while finding a way to produce government ex machina

06:03:35 Vexual: so do big companies

06:04:13 decimation: well, anyone with a basic understanding of human nature will realize that humans attempt to shirk responsibility if they think they can get away with it

06:05:29 decimation: waiting around and doing nothing while you hope a magic "process" or "committee" or "standarization" will do your job constitutes at least 50% of western officeworker employment

06:11:23 Vexual: developed any printer filaments lately?

06:11:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59000 @ 0.00085271 = 50.3099 BTC [+] {3}

06:33:52 davout: morning asseteers and asseteerettes

06:41:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0235999 = 0.4012 BTC [+]

06:43:53 decimation: Vexual: what do you mean by printer filaments? 3d printers?

07:02:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43813 @ 0.00084823 = 37.1635 BTC [-] {2}

07:04:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0699998 = 0.77 BTC [-] {3}

07:26:30 fluffypony: davout: morning

07:38:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC

07:40:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00085065 = 16.8429 BTC [+]

07:43:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42537 @ 0.000843 = 35.8587 BTC [-] {2}

07:52:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.000825 = 1.6088 BTC [-]

08:01:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.24228941 BTC [-]

08:03:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00229967 = 0.2415 BTC [+]

08:36:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0675001 = 0.135 BTC [-] {2}

08:47:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06769949 = 0.677 BTC [+]

09:24:45 BingoBoingo: !up diana_coman

09:24:58 BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch

09:25:05 BingoBoingo: !up saulimus

09:25:16 BingoBoingo: !up Swadq

09:31:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 52 @ 0.02826731 = 1.4699 BTC [+] {3}

09:31:08 diana_coman: thanks BingoBoingo, I think I actually should be voiced if I get auth

09:31:50 fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot diana_coman

09:31:51 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user diana_coman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=diana_coman | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=diana_coman | Rated since: Tue Mar 26 18:56:33 2013

09:31:53 fluffypony: yep

09:31:55 fluffypony: looks like it

09:32:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.06999999 = 1.54 BTC [+] {2}

09:49:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41788 @ 0.00082685 = 34.5524 BTC [+] {2}

09:55:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [+]

09:57:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 174 @ 0.00229957 = 0.4001 BTC [+]

09:58:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 129 @ 0.00229967 = 0.2967 BTC [+]

10:02:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2608866 = 0.7827 BTC [+]

10:04:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2608886 BTC [+]

10:05:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.2608887 = 2.348 BTC [+]

10:21:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [+]

10:25:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00083011 = 26.4805 BTC [+]

10:30:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]

10:36:43 diana_coman: are the logs of this channel available as a dump (I know about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ but it seems to give them only day by day, while I wanted to play around with a bigger sample)

10:36:43 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

10:37:50 Namworld: Dafuq youtube... giving me before my video a 1 hour ad video about Bitcoin, "Ride the Great Coming Wave"... Such a scammy ad.

10:38:10 kakobrekla: http://www.newsweek.com/2014/06/20/tunnel-vision-254202.html

10:50:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8744 @ 0.00083011 = 7.2585 BTC [+]

11:13:38 davout: 33a89ace5b971c3ed5862af1cbe272da

11:35:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2608887 BTC [+]

11:47:13 Mats_cd03: ;;later tell vexual no is that something i should care about

11:47:13 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:54:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13036 @ 0.00083814 = 10.926 BTC [+]

12:15:08 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> someone translate this ? /// looks Antifragile-inspired (i started reading it yesterday)

12:20:51 ThickAsThieves: <+kakobrekla> http://www.newsweek.com/2014/06/20/tunnel-vision-254202.html /// do you come from the future?

12:21:24 kakobrekla: bringing you past from the future.

12:22:00 ThickAsThieves: thank you for the present

12:23:03 fluffypony: lol - https://twitter.com/gynvael/status/475930719769075712

12:23:04 assbot: Dear conference organizers: my wife says I have enough t-shirts and you should start giving out trousers. Thank you for understanding.

12:23:50 ThickAsThieves: lol

12:31:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4464 @ 0.00083624 = 3.733 BTC [-]

13:04:23 fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Ud4Hp5kkw

13:04:23 assbot: LEGO Creator: MINI Cooper Designer Video - YouTube

13:04:27 fluffypony: can't wait for August

13:04:34 fluffypony: such a gorgeous model

13:09:54 fluffypony: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/lets-bring-back-the-fax-machine

13:09:54 assbot: Let's Bring Back the Fax Machine | Motherboard

13:10:13 davout: in case someone was lulz-deprived

13:10:14 davout: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=648178.0

13:10:15 assbot: Bitcoin Losers

13:23:26 dub: and one of them posting 400btc for your head

13:24:54 fluffypony: throw the jew down the well

13:25:35 fluffypony: princessnell favourited my tweet, I'm well on my way to Internet fame :-P

13:29:12 davout: dub: yeah, that too

13:29:58 davout: i'm waiting for phinneaus to show up on -assets again, so i can pierce him a second butthole in front of everyone

13:31:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39687 @ 0.00083753 = 33.2391 BTC [+] {3}

13:31:42 davout: !up starsoccer

13:31:57 davout: ;;gettrust assbot starsoccer

13:31:58 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask starsoccer!~starsocce@ Trust relationship from user assbot to user starsoccer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=starsoccer | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=starsoccer | Rated since: Sat May 12 23:07:51 2012

13:32:10 davout: o, you can already voice yourself ><

13:32:19 starsoccer: oo lol

13:32:21 starsoccer: didnt realize

13:32:55 kakobrekla: what did he do davout ?

13:33:24 davout: kakobrekla: boiled down version goes something like this

13:33:48 dub: the dude has <70 IQ, the end?

13:33:58 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19RCWJ.txt )

13:33:58 kakobrekla: !b 2

13:34:16 davout: "davout stole 1132 BTC from me, so let's do something really smart here, if someone manages to make him cough up that amount, he can send me 732 BTC and keep 400 BTC for himself"

13:34:34 kakobrekla: aha lolk

13:34:43 starsoccer: davout, send him 1132 btc

13:34:44 starsoccer: pls

13:34:44 starsoccer: lol

13:34:49 davout: which boils down even further ti "donate 400 BTC to me"

13:34:53 dub: 'but I'll settle for US$50k!'

13:34:55 davout: s/ti/to/

13:35:05 starsoccer: davout, fine send him 50k

13:35:07 kakobrekla: fun

13:35:10 starsoccer: then me and you split the 400btc

13:35:11 starsoccer: ;)

13:35:23 dub: now forum rocket scientists are like, SO IF I SEND YOU $50K YOU SEND ME 400BTC?!

13:35:35 starsoccer: dub, exactly

13:35:40 davout: starsoccer: i already have someone willing to do it for only 100 BTC, sorry!

13:35:55 starsoccer: do what for 100 btc?

13:36:15 starsoccer: you send him 50k USD then we split 400btc so you get 200btc and i get 200btc

13:36:17 starsoccer: good day

13:36:44 davout: kinda fun going into the office and have everyone be like "o hai, you have a 400 btc contract on your head" :D

13:36:56 kakobrekla: lol

13:37:59 dub: haha


13:38:24 kakobrekla: i know some

13:38:29 kakobrekla: i cal also hold escrow

13:38:33 kakobrekla: can

13:41:27 kakobrekla: no takers ? boring.

13:41:55 mircea_popescu: hai there persons.

13:42:02 dub: this sardokan guy is sure he is getting paid

13:42:03 kakobrekla: hi

13:42:19 Duffer1: hello

13:44:10 dub: ohshi- expedia

13:44:14 mircea_popescu: benkay: state media academia << ty

13:44:15 dub: nice

13:45:16 davout: dub: he's being sardokanastic

13:45:45 dub: ah, I was teetering that way but I err on the side of retard

13:46:21 mircea_popescu: i feel so left out. who's sandokan ? other than some bollywood action star from the 80s

13:46:44 mircea_popescu: ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VBoD92ui70 )

13:46:44 assbot: Sandokan Tribute - YouTube

13:46:46 kakobrekla: some forumite?

13:47:13 davout: he's a french guy that i've met a couple of times, also forumite

13:47:35 mircea_popescu: aha

13:49:03 Apocalyptic: davout, did he post that on the forum ?

13:49:41 davout: Apocalyptic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=649176.0

13:49:41 assbot: New 400 BTC Bounty Pales Roger Ver's 37.6 BTC Bounty for Return of Stolen BTC

13:49:42 mircea_popescu: decimation: waiting around and doing nothing while you hope a magic "process" or "committee" or "standarization" will do your job constitutes at least 50% of western officeworker employment << the best part is that this used to actually work, a century or so ago.

13:50:32 mircea_popescu: o wow wait

13:50:41 mircea_popescu: phin put a 400 btc bounty on davout's head !?

13:51:16 mircea_popescu: !up blackwhite

13:51:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.0008361 = 14.2137 BTC [-] {2}

13:51:22 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot blackwhite

13:51:22 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user blackwhite: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=blackwhite | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=blackwhite | Rated since: never

13:51:42 mircea_popescu: blackwhite the reason you can't say anything is that you';re not in assbot's l2 wot. have you been reading the logs or just idling idly ?

13:52:35 mircea_popescu: davout what's the backstory on "At the onset of the InstaWallet fiasco, all three URLs didn't have a bitcoin wallet associated with the generated pages. It wasn't till after I brought it to Boussac's attention that the lesser bitcoin-containing wallet was well-document that it mysterious had the associated wallet address visible on the URL generated site. This is why they refuse to release the name of the forensics aud

13:52:35 mircea_popescu: itor(s) because there wasn't one (or more, according to Boussac), in spite of them saying they couldn't because of some fuckin' idiotic NDA clause." ?

13:52:36 blackwhite: I have just been busy so primarily just reading once in a while. Was more involved earlier.

13:53:05 blackwhite: but getting back to getting more involved again.

13:53:08 mircea_popescu: blackwhite right. so meanwhile the channel is +m, to get voice you have to pm assbot !up which only works if you're trusted to any degree by someone assbot trusts.

13:53:22 blackwhite: i see

13:54:09 davout: mircea_popescu: what specific part of the story are you curious about ?

13:54:46 mircea_popescu: well let's see. instawallet had a system whereby ownership is proven by url. the guy had 3 urls. what was not associated with what ?

13:56:24 mircea_popescu: his generative grammar is quite bizarre, i can't follow statements like "all three didn't" worth a crap.

13:56:32 davout: two of his URLs matched to nothing, pretty simple

13:56:36 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> phin put a 400 btc bounty on davout's head !? //looks like it

13:56:51 mircea_popescu: davout what do you mean his and what do you mean nothing

13:56:58 mircea_popescu: did he lose two of his three urls ?

13:57:39 davout: i mean "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM wallets WHERE key = '<phinns wallet key>'" == 0

13:57:43 mircea_popescu: in other news, "Following massive rainfalls in Misiones, Argentina, and Santa Catarina and Paran?, Brazil, the famous Iguaz? Falls are now overflowing, carrying 46,300 cubic meters per second?33 times the usual water flow rate."

13:57:44 davout: for two of the urls

13:58:05 mircea_popescu: davout uh. so then how is it possible he thought he had something there ?

13:58:23 davout: i dunno, and tbh i would like to know too

13:58:52 davout: some people fell for the "oh hey, here is our tor hidden service for instawallet, deposit bitches"

13:58:54 Apocalyptic: "BTW, I would not rule out the possiblity that Boussac himself is a victim of davout to some extent" who's Boussac again ?

13:58:55 mircea_popescu: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--wOjCTy9_--/strfxwexmbgnjk7b4nus.jpg now vs then : http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--utwlJ8_1--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ihl9qhl9yy47q1axnuiv.jpg

13:59:03 davout: except we didn't have a tor hidden service

13:59:05 mircea_popescu: davout so is it possible whoever broke in deleted some records too ?

13:59:18 davout: i checked for that against a few backups

13:59:26 davout: no results

13:59:37 mircea_popescu: what date was the oldest you checked roughly ?

13:59:41 davout: one of the first things i thought of

13:59:44 pankkake: What is it about FRENCH GUYS and Bitcoin?

13:59:44 pankkake: Karpeles, those Dealco guys out of HK, now these scammers

13:59:45 pankkake: French Bitcoiner = AVOID

13:59:53 davout: i don't really recall from the top of my head

14:00:07 davout: i tried to find partial url matches too

14:00:09 mircea_popescu: well were they a week older than the live db ?a month ? more ?

14:00:18 davout: i tried to search by balances

14:00:25 davout: a month or two i think

14:00:54 mircea_popescu: so as best you can determine, there's a month+ interval where according to phinn he had 1k+ btc, but according to your db he had not ?

14:00:54 davout: hence me asking for the deposit addresses and/or the funding transactions

14:01:35 davout: that's what the backups convey

14:02:06 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/76XfV42YvBI < bonus iguazu

14:02:06 assbot: As estan las Cataratas del Iguazu con la crecida - YouTube

14:02:16 mircea_popescu: davout did instawallet gpg sign anything ?

14:02:22 davout: nope

14:02:43 mircea_popescu: so did you say this to him ? did you get any sort of response ?

14:03:42 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he gets asked to prove he deposited 1100+ BTC into Instawallet, providing a transaction ID or a signed BTC addy that sent it or ANYTHING, and he just ignores those requests or talks around them

14:03:54 mircea_popescu: aha

14:04:09 davout: i asked him "o hey, maybe it could help me if you gave me the deposit addresses"

14:04:20 mircea_popescu: well he prolly didn't keep records of any kind

14:04:27 davout: the idea being that i could have checked against backups of bitcoind wallets as well with such an information

14:04:39 mircea_popescu: ok, so were you on vacation at the time of the hax ?

14:05:10 davout: well that's kind of what i figured, and i also figured he'd be too dumb to explore the blockchain by himself

14:05:10 blackwhite: pretty good talk on ethereum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9dpjN3Mwps

14:05:10 assbot: Vitalik Buterin reveals Ethereum at Bitcoin Miami 2014 - YouTube

14:05:36 davout: so i went there and used tracked all the addresses linked in any way to the unique IW cold storage address

14:05:51 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: sure, BUT if he EVER sent money from Instawallet to someone (say as payment for something) and message'd or email'd them the transaction ID he'd have that, he'd have SOMETHING that could be used

14:06:00 mircea_popescu: davout so he does not make a specific claim to either address or transaction, he makes a specific claim as to balance and to url which can't be verified, is the thing ?

14:06:06 fluffypony: yes

14:06:28 davout: once i had a massive collection of addresses i checked for an address whose received totals matched the balances he claimed, to no avail

14:06:58 davout: took a few days for the script to reverse-explore the chain from the CS address

14:07:20 fluffypony: every thread that's popped up that I've read has him claiming those two Instawallet URLs (plus a third that had 0.825 BTC or something that he disregards), but no further evidence

14:07:24 mircea_popescu: this seems a fools errand as im sure his balance didn't come in one chunk.

14:07:26 davout: ended up with around ~100k addresses to check, none of them received the amounts he mentions in the timeframe he mentions

14:07:30 fluffypony: the URLs could be complete bullshit

14:07:42 davout: mircea_popescu: no, because i checked for totals

14:07:52 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: davout's talking about searching for the total received for each address in a timeframe

14:08:11 mircea_popescu: that ain't gonna work.

14:08:32 mircea_popescu: aaanyway. so were you on vacation when it happened ?

14:08:36 davout: fluffypony: not the received total in a timeframe actually, the received total, and then i checked manually the actual deposits against these addresses

14:09:25 davout: because the guy is pretty specific, 1000 BTC and 132 BTC, sent in december 2012 to an instawallet address

14:09:41 fluffypony: yeah

14:09:47 davout: he even provides the exchange rate at the time, this way i'm sure it's not 2011 or whatever

14:10:59 mircea_popescu: i don't see much substance to his claim it'd be coming out of 1DavouTAsveznCFHsz688xvbrRAq4u2qm8 going to 16d1yGrEDqSY1xhCnAUWrkahGY2mkWdAYk

14:12:08 fluffypony: yeah it's almost like he thinks it impossible that davout could independently have 1k BTC and it *must* come from him

14:12:43 pankkake: http://bitbet.us/propositions/ okay…

14:12:43 assbot: BitBet Propositions

14:13:14 mircea_popescu: fluffypony but if you look at the incoming to that addy, there's no matching chunk

14:13:49 mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/tx/84c505049bb782b490cc3fb7633238082afb2a2ec21bf1ea0596d6cbc2a61c1e largest bit, in may last. when did isntawallet fail again ?

14:13:49 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 84c505049bb782b490cc3fb7633238082afb2a2ec21bf1ea0596d6cbc2a61c1e

14:14:02 mircea_popescu: april

14:14:44 fluffypony: yeah

14:15:06 mircea_popescu: actually 100, 400, 460 during may, 100 late april.

14:15:14 davout: mircea_popescu fluffypony he can go ask jgarzik, the guy paid me 5678 BTC back in the day, also i got into bitcoin at such a time that i mined some blocks on a goddamn CPU

14:15:28 mircea_popescu: but anyway davout so why is he claiming you won't release the liquidator;'s name ?

14:15:38 mircea_popescu: that's exactly contrary to normal procedure, what's that all about ?

14:15:43 davout: he's imagining there is a liquidator

14:15:53 davout: i never said there was one, i said there had been an audit

14:16:08 mircea_popescu: oh.

14:16:11 davout: it was a post-mortem security audit

14:16:16 mircea_popescu: i see.

14:16:28 davout: the guy is very confused

14:16:46 davout: i stopped answering him because i saw he could not grasp some very simple things

14:17:08 davout: i explained to him how a shared wallet works, later he refers to it as mumble-jumble

14:17:08 mircea_popescu: "Reserved to announced that I have reunited with my lost investment."

14:17:14 mircea_popescu: is he francophone ?

14:17:24 davout: he's definitely not francophile

14:17:33 mircea_popescu: lol

14:17:37 fluffypony: lol

14:17:47 mircea_popescu: no but i mean he makes these sentences that break my parser all the time

14:18:21 fluffypony: pankkake: I'm betting yes on "tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt"

14:18:28 mircea_popescu: "Ideally, I prefer to have the entire 1,132 BTC, sans the 400 BTC bounty amount, paid in full to me, but knowing that sometimes arbitration takes place, I'm willing to settle for a minimal amount, with anybody acting as liaison to broker their reward up to 100% of what I may finally recognize. The minimum I'm welling to settle for is $50K USD via BTC or fiat to compensate for my initial investment and the mega hours I

14:18:28 mircea_popescu: have put into this fiasco, not to mention the stress."

14:18:42 mircea_popescu: wait so the bounty is out of lol wtf how does this work

14:18:55 mircea_popescu: "I prefer to use Rassah as escrow"

14:19:00 mircea_popescu: so did he fund the bounty or not ?

14:19:04 fluffypony: nope

14:19:16 fluffypony: *if* he gets it he'll pay out 400 BTC or something

14:19:28 davout: the guy is confused, my only hope is that he lawyers up, so that someone can finally talk some sense into him

14:19:46 mircea_popescu: fluffypony so then why any need for an escrow?

14:19:55 fluffypony: nfi

14:20:00 fluffypony: the whole arrangement is confusing as hell

14:20:26 mircea_popescu: so basically what he';s trying to do here is send davout to the forum collections agency ?

14:20:30 davout: also, for the sake of keeping a public record, the script i used to explore the blockchain in order to try and find his deposit address, none of the two i was looking for appeared

14:20:31 fluffypony: yes

14:20:31 davout: http://pastie.org/private/zye2fhscut112d7m1m6ga

14:20:32 assbot: Private Paste - Pastie

14:20:58 mircea_popescu: davout do you have a service address ?

14:21:05 fluffypony: maybe he's hoping that by throwing enough of a tantrum davout will just throw money at him

14:21:27 davout: mircea_popescu: instawallet's former cold storage address -> 1FrtkNXastDoMAaorowys27AKQERxgmZjY

14:21:43 mircea_popescu: fluffypony generally i kinda like phinn, he's very diligent, quite passionate and an off the path sort of thinker

14:21:56 mircea_popescu: davout service address is a postal address where one receives service of process

14:21:58 mircea_popescu: such as supoenas

14:22:07 davout: paymium has one

14:22:13 mircea_popescu: alrighty.

14:22:24 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah I'm talking purely about the way he's treating this particular issue, not in general

14:22:42 fluffypony: the constant stream of new threads doesn't play into his favour

14:23:01 davout: also, our server hard drives were given to law enforcement when we filed our complaint back in april 2013

14:23:05 mircea_popescu: davout so make a single post in that thread, containing paymium's service address, a statement that you've tried to the best of your ability to identify his claims but didn'

14:23:18 kakobrekla: someone mixed propositions for 4chan?

14:23:19 mircea_popescu: t so far manage to do so and a optionally a link to here to detail that.

14:23:29 fluffypony: kakobrekla: that's what I'm guessing

14:23:49 davout: in other words, it would simply be best if the guy sued

14:24:00 mircea_popescu: davout at this point.

14:24:04 fluffypony: agreed

14:24:17 mircea_popescu: there doesn't seem to be much room for any sort of mediation

14:24:23 fluffypony: once the body of evidence is presented his lawyer would (one hopes) be able to explain things to him

14:25:15 chetty: so basically he is claiming a deposit with no actual evidence he made it? Wonder if that would work with my bank?

14:25:26 fluffypony: chetty: I think so

14:25:50 fluffypony: give it a spin, let us know how it goes

14:26:02 mircea_popescu: fluffypony bank'll prolly just pay her.

14:26:05 mircea_popescu: what do they care.

14:26:18 davout: gotta get off, i'll be back later tonight if someone wants to discuss this further

14:26:23 fluffypony: davout: kk

14:26:40 mircea_popescu: i think it's discussed tbh.

14:26:48 mircea_popescu: ;;notes

14:26:49 gribble: I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, bcb, bitcoingirl, cevidad, frankenmint, Immukization, jtrunerbtc, kyledrake, moiety, MurphyLawn, nubbins, nubbins`, nubbins`i, Phinnaeus, RainMan28, ryepdx, starsoccer9, ThickasTheives, and vexual.

14:26:53 mircea_popescu: ;;seen Phinnaeus

14:26:54 gribble: Phinnaeus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 11 hours, 30 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <Phinnaeus> later

14:27:00 mircea_popescu: maybe if the guy shows up

14:27:52 mircea_popescu: ahahaha wahahahaha sardokan wins

14:28:23 mircea_popescu: I don't understand why phinnaeus would pay 400BTC for 50K$, but I can write the agreement with him and make the deal : Davout will send to trusted escrow 50K$ (in dollard or BTC) Phinnaeus will send to escrow 400 BTC when escrow have both, he will send me 400 BTC and send Phinnaeus is 50K$. I will then send 300 BTC to Davout. We will all waive the right to terminate this agreement and to all actions regarding the insta

14:28:24 mircea_popescu: wallet service.

14:30:21 pankkake: my experience of the forum is that there is no shortage of high profile delusional scammers, that of course don't think themselves as such

14:30:42 pankkake: but davout being a mod there, I don't trust him either!

14:31:08 fluffypony: he mods the French sub-forum, it's not exactly a position of power

14:31:28 Apocalyptic: it is to a certain extent

14:31:48 pankkake: it comes with a special status

14:31:59 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=548245.0 for more lulz

14:31:59 assbot: Go out french moderator !

14:32:49 mircea_popescu: i dunno what to make of this personally. i kinda like phinn and all, but so far this claim of his is not going too far.

14:33:07 mircea_popescu: i don't doubt he had 1k or so btc at some point, and i don't doubt he genuinely lost it somehow.

14:33:11 mircea_popescu: now exactly how...

14:33:21 *: kakobrekla put the poop back in the box

14:36:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2014#714444 << this "put hashes in bitcoin-asset's blockchain" is becoming fashionable i see.

14:36:31 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

14:36:42 mircea_popescu: certainly better than trying to hijack bitcoin's for the purpose of communication.

14:37:26 mircea_popescu: assbot: Dear conference organizers: my wife says I have enough t-shirts and you should start giving out trousers. Thank you for understanding. << lol someone ain't wearing undies ?

14:38:27 mircea_popescu: http://ioneglobalgrind.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/moss-072913-_1_0.jpg << tshirt and knickers, best schoolgirl uniform of 2005

14:39:59 mircea_popescu: "I got swept up in the mania last November and dared to invest my life saving into purchasing 1 bitcoin, just as it was near peak. That turned out to be a terrible purchase for me"

14:40:00 mircea_popescu: heh

14:40:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0707059 = 0.2121 BTC [+]

14:40:31 fluffypony: "the price didn't move in the direction I expected in 6 months! suicide time!"

14:40:55 mircea_popescu: I bought several at $1.000, many others at $550, but at the end, I am a looser in term of financial results.

14:40:56 mircea_popescu: But absolutely Hodling. Never sold any Bitcoin, only bought and HODL

14:40:59 mircea_popescu: this is a sa job btw.

14:42:52 fluffypony: sa as in South African?

14:43:09 TomServo: something awful, I would guess

14:43:15 fluffypony: oh

14:43:18 fluffypony: third time I've made that mistake

14:43:55 mircea_popescu: well because they're pretty irrelevant by now, so you wouldn't normally know.

14:44:20 mircea_popescu: but yeah, originally it was all "o, how the bitcoiners don't understand basic socialism as canon accepted by everyone"

14:44:34 mircea_popescu: then it was "o the press in its quest for bullshit is betraying the holy canon of socialism"

14:45:00 mircea_popescu: by now it's sunk into the depths of pathetic : trying to get a thread going, which gets 6 pages out of which 2/3 is their kindling

14:45:53 mircea_popescu: i mean any half-literate scammer in sierra-leone can get a good flamewar raging for 500 pages in two weeks, the self appointed cream of teh internets slash intellectual core of progressivism can't even get to 12 ?!

14:48:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.070706 = 0.8485 BTC [+]

14:48:44 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

14:48:47 gribble: Current Blocks: 305435 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 996 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 4 hours, 28 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12414329811.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.59499

14:58:36 ThickAsThieves: you know it's just gonna explode during the diff before the bet

14:58:53 ThickAsThieves: it's a diff bear trap

15:00:39 mircea_popescu: bet is closed by nowi think

15:01:00 ThickAsThieves: ah

15:01:13 mike_c: spoken like a man who has been creamed in the past betting against difficulty

15:01:17 ThickAsThieves: Current weight: 798

15:01:42 mircea_popescu: he got it pretty bad at some point i recall, what was it, 50 btc ?

15:01:46 ThickAsThieves: yep

15:01:46 fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-empowers-first-global-peer-peer-lender-btcjam/

15:01:46 assbot: How Bitcoin Empowers the First Global Peer-to-Peer Lender BTCJam

15:01:56 fluffypony: 19% APR return for lenders

15:02:04 ThickAsThieves: btcjam is spamming the web this week

15:02:11 ThickAsThieves: putting that VC money to use i guess

15:02:18 mike_c: echo "td { overflow: hidden; }" >> bitbet.css

15:02:18 fluffypony: yeah

15:02:40 mircea_popescu: fluffypony they finally figured out that 60% return rate isn't really such a good number ?

15:02:50 fluffypony: so it would seem

15:03:10 mircea_popescu: what was their round anyway ? i forget

15:04:26 mircea_popescu: http://www.aysa.com.ar/index.php?id_seccion=725 << anyone notice anything ?

15:04:28 assbot: .: AySA - Agua y Saneamientos Argentinos S.A. :.

15:04:28 ThickAsThieves: undisclosed

15:05:01 mircea_popescu: "PHP has encountered an Access Violation at 01C20AFD"

15:06:39 ThickAsThieves: we need some new diff bets

15:07:19 mircea_popescu: prolly ya

15:08:37 kakobrekla: mike_c ?

15:09:34 ThickAsThieves: this one is pretty good http://bitbet.us/bet/877/difficulty-over-21bn-by-summers-end-2014/

15:09:34 assbot: BitBet - Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014 :: 0.6 B (55%) on Yes, 0.48 B (45%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 90`314 (100`000 to 3)

15:09:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06800105 = 0.136 BTC [-] {2}

15:11:57 mircea_popescu: ya not so bad

15:12:06 mircea_popescu: o look it's a kitten! where've you been moiety

15:12:14 moiety: hello!

15:12:27 moiety: i've had such a disater moving! i've had no internet

15:12:34 mircea_popescu: taking the sex weeks literally ?

15:12:36 moiety: disaster*

15:12:53 moiety: lol well i am finally in and almost out of the other one

15:13:23 moiety: relying on transport help is not good for moving

15:14:35 mircea_popescu: lol so i moved across the ocean faster than you did across town ?

15:14:41 mike_c: kakobrekla: does opera render diffrently on proposition page? those crazy titles go off my screen

15:14:45 moiety: I'm sorry i didn't even have email. flipping library is being refurbed. how is everyone?

15:15:12 moiety: lolpretty much mircea_popescu i ran out of funds half way and was in this empty flat for a few days

15:15:40 mircea_popescu: pretty great. you have the logs of all time to go through now :D

15:15:50 mircea_popescu: but yeah, i wasn't in rift for about a month, people were throwing a fit

15:17:15 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/877/ Odds: 73(Y):27(N) by coin, 73(Y):27(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.175 BTC. Current weight: 90,308.

15:17:43 moiety: honestly i wish id had the logs when i had no internet lol have you all settled in now then mircea_popescu?

15:17:51 mircea_popescu: yeah

15:17:52 kakobrekla: mike_c i see this in opera and chrome http://i.imgur.com/62OkoI9.png

15:18:34 mike_c: (latest?) chrome: http://i.imgur.com/9jfHPjY.png

15:19:20 mircea_popescu: http://browsershots.org/http://bitbet.us/propositions/

15:19:21 assbot: Website Overview for http://bitbet.us/propositions/

15:20:55 kakobrekla: doesnt your browser know of word-wrap: break-word;

15:21:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/heretic-salmon-teriyaki/

15:22:36 mike_c: you mean "word-break: break-word;"

15:22:59 kakobrekla: hum?

15:23:01 fluffypony: that looks delicious, mircea_popescu

15:23:09 kakobrekla: break-break: broken-break; ?

15:23:10 fluffypony: I think I'm going to try that this w/e and report back

15:23:12 mircea_popescu: it was pretty good.

15:23:25 fluffypony: advantage of having a vegetarian wife: more for me

15:23:42 mircea_popescu: more food for you, better sex for you ?

15:23:49 mircea_popescu: yeah, veggie wives aren't so bad.

15:23:53 fluffypony: a win-win!

15:24:10 mike_c: break broken, looks like you fixed it?

15:24:16 fluffypony: of course, she'll probably outlive me by 20 years, but c'est la vie

15:24:30 mircea_popescu: women do that anyway

15:25:28 mircea_popescu: actually someone should make a lolpost about "break the age glass ceiling! women should be killed off by the government so that on average they live as long as men!!11"

15:25:35 kakobrekla: mike_c i just made your browser reload css

15:25:48 mike_c: versioned statics are good.

15:26:00 mike_c: working now, thank you for hitting ctrl-r for me.

15:26:06 kakobrekla: :)

15:26:10 Apocalyptic: kako is the css wizard

15:26:19 kakobrekla: nah

15:26:25 mircea_popescu: http://browsershots.org/http://bitbet.us/propositions/ << clearly problem exists between mike_c monitor and mike_c's chair :D

15:26:26 assbot: Website Overview for http://bitbet.us/propositions/

15:26:26 kakobrekla: also thats an insult

15:26:32 Apocalyptic: :)

15:26:44 mike_c: psh, no pebkac.

15:27:17 fluffypony: glasses maybe?

15:27:26 mircea_popescu: yes. one glass of scotch

15:27:29 mircea_popescu: one glass of ice.

15:27:32 fluffypony: lol

15:27:38 mircea_popescu: !up surf

15:28:03 mircea_popescu: moiety you still have a btc with me, got an address yet ?

15:29:58 fluffypony: moiety: just use Instawallet

15:30:00 fluffypony: :-P

15:30:08 mircea_popescu: lol

15:32:30 moiety: i do but there's a lot of time left

15:33:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00083601 = 5.4341 BTC [-]

15:40:39 kakobrekla: re propositions and rss, do you ppl want pending and approved/rejected sources or just the latter

15:41:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2907 @ 0.00083601 = 2.4303 BTC [-]

15:42:40 mircea_popescu: just dump them all in there with a flag

15:42:58 kakobrekla: ?

15:45:15 mike_c: that would be more json than rss

15:46:10 kakobrekla: id rather to json tbh

15:46:17 kakobrekla: rss is retarded

15:47:12 kakobrekla: if i would be the author if it, id kill myself.

15:47:57 mircea_popescu: so do json

15:48:04 mircea_popescu: IN rss :D

15:48:27 mircea_popescu: mike_c doesn't rss have field extensibility ? you gotta use cdata ?

15:49:44 mike_c: it's more that rss is for updates. so you have entry for pending, then later an entry for approved/rejected?

15:50:08 kakobrekla: or 2 sources

15:50:09 fluffypony: Gaven Andresen answered a question on Reddit, it's nice to know Redditards have switched from religious metaphors to pop culture:

15:50:10 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/27ye08/serious_i_couldnt_answer_this_question_when/ci5peas

15:50:10 assbot: kinoshitajona comments on [Serious] I couldn't answer this question when discussing Bitcoin with my Dad: Isn't it sometimes beneficial to allow governments to stabilise their currency if there is uncontrollable inflation/deflation due to unavoidable events? Wouldn't a global currency cause poorer countries to be left behind?

15:51:03 Mats_cd03: lol

15:51:31 mike_c: how will argentina issue worthless bonds in bitcoin??

15:52:38 mike_c: maybe bitbet propositions issue is simply solved by showing all props for last 30 days.

15:52:50 mike_c: instead of just 50 or whatever

15:53:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 333 @ 0.00035999 = 0.1199 BTC [-] {3}

15:54:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 384 @ 0.00035979 = 0.1382 BTC [-] {2}

15:57:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00082939 = 10.7406 BTC [-] {2}

15:59:21 mircea_popescu: of fucking course a global currency would cause poorer countriesd to be left behind

15:59:51 benkay: <mircea_popescu> http://www.youtube.com/embed/76XfV42YvBI < bonus iguazu // holy forces of nature, buttman

15:59:51 assbot: As estan las Cataratas del Iguazu con la crecida - YouTube

16:00:01 mircea_popescu: that is the fucking point of currency and more generally life on earth. so that lazier kids get left behind in footbal practice, and that dumber kids get left behind dating

16:00:04 mircea_popescu: and on and fucking on.

16:00:17 mircea_popescu: benkay ya, wanna go whitewatering ? :D

16:00:24 chetty: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2014/06/solar-flares-disrupt-communications-on-earth-could-send-shockwave-on-friday-the-13th/

16:00:25 assbot: Solar Flares Disrupt Communications on Earth, Could Send Shockwave on Friday the 13th - ABC News

16:00:42 benkay: if it gets you in a barrel and over the falls sign me up

16:00:51 mircea_popescu: o no!

16:01:27 benkay: oh yes

16:01:28 benkay: con3

16:02:02 benkay: i like this part of the logs where i can ignore the derping about some idiot trying to scam davout

16:02:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87487208 BTC to 8`766 shares, 21388 satoshi per share

16:03:09 []bot: Bet created: "Difficulty change to block 308448 13% or more" http://bitbet.us/bet/907/

16:07:15 kakobrekla: anyway http://bitbet.us/propositions/?json and http://bitbet.us/propositions/?json&limit=123

16:07:18 kakobrekla: default is 50

16:09:29 benkay: wait that was hardly any logs at all

16:10:45 mike_c: i like how the query parameters are order-dependent :D

16:11:06 mike_c: http://xkcd.com/927/

16:11:06 assbot: xkcd: Standards

16:11:06 benkay: positional url parameters

16:11:07 benkay: nice

16:11:27 mike_c: very pythonic, *args and **kwargs

16:11:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00082137 = 6.2013 BTC [-]

16:12:05 kakobrekla: fuck you haxors!

16:12:10 benkay: "yeah sure, i'll take whatever you throw at me."

16:12:23 benkay: "just a big gaping hole over here - please to insert datadicks"

16:12:53 mircea_popescu: did kako just ruin bitbet ?

16:13:02 kakobrekla: not yet.

16:13:11 benkay: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp56F_UCEAA1UCa.jpg

16:13:25 mike_c: ^ lol

16:14:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/kncminer-releases-photos-neptune-pcb/

16:16:06 nubbins`: hi

16:16:11 nubbins`: lel @ davout

16:16:15 benkay: mornins

16:16:28 nubbins`: (re: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=649176.0)

16:16:29 assbot: New 400 BTC Bounty Pales Roger Ver's 37.6 BTC Bounty for Return of Stolen BTC

16:19:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00082466 = 21.1113 BTC [+]

16:21:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 415 @ 0.00035978 = 0.1493 BTC [-] {3}

16:22:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 387 @ 0.00035957 = 0.1392 BTC [-]

16:23:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 645 @ 0.00035769 = 0.2307 BTC [-]

16:25:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00082137 = 22.7519 BTC [-]

16:27:51 nubbins`: ;;view

16:27:54 gribble: #20672 Mon Jun 2 11:57:18 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 0.040388 BTC (Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)

16:32:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 850 @ 0.00035501 = 0.3018 BTC [-] {2}

16:43:53 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot bigtip

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16:44:34 bigtip: ;;ratingsystem getrating assbot bigtip

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16:44:47 bigtip: ;;ratingsystem getrating bigtip

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16:48:32 mircea_popescu: bigtip never seen you before :p

16:48:33 mircea_popescu: welcome

16:48:55 *: bigtip waves

16:52:26 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, the salmon looks really delicious, so far I knew how to cook a similar dish, without the wine and spice though

16:54:17 mircea_popescu: why without the wine and spice ?

16:54:29 mike_c: ;;seen unbalanced

16:54:30 mircea_popescu: but anyway, salmon isvery tolerant. you can eat it raw, you can eat it cooked to any degree

16:54:30 gribble: unbalanced was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 26 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 21 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <unbalanced> Little Bitcoin icon on the package and everything

16:54:46 mircea_popescu: oft times ill just put it to fire for a few minutes and have it for breakfast

16:54:55 mircea_popescu: mike_c ya tell him to come over

16:55:02 mircea_popescu: i wanna congratulat him on his atc purchase

16:55:05 Apocalyptic: yeah, I often eat it raw

16:55:25 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> why without the wine and spice ? // that's the way I learnt it

16:55:27 chetty: wine is not a usual ingredient of teriyaki

16:55:31 Apocalyptic: indeed

16:55:36 mircea_popescu: rice wine is, yes!

16:55:43 Apocalyptic: oh rice wine

16:55:48 mircea_popescu: well ?

16:55:55 chetty: rice wine vinegar

16:56:20 Apocalyptic: I don't make my own teriyaki, sadly

16:57:17 chetty: but to be fair he did say it was heretic version :) and sounds pretty good

16:57:47 mircea_popescu: balsamic + wine ~= rice wine + vinegar

16:57:54 asciilifeform: 'I realized that I?ve never touched a fax machine before?that it?s as abstract, for me, as the laser guns...' << clearly never dealt with usg. fax is mandatory to this day!

16:59:10 mircea_popescu: maybe had lawyers

17:00:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5047 @ 0.00082466 = 4.1621 BTC [+]

17:01:06 asciilifeform: afaik usg contractors still submit invoices via fax.

17:05:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3803 @ 0.00082466 = 3.1362 BTC [+]

17:11:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31597 @ 0.00082955 = 26.2113 BTC [+]

17:11:37 mircea_popescu: Ok so here's a story : BitBet curently has 19 World Cup bets open. The average bet on these is .175 (excluding house and mpif), like so .79, .44, 0, .21, .60, .10, .54, .03, 0, 0, .01, 0, .05, .28, .01, .04, 0, .11, .11. Now, on top of these, there's no less than 30 bets pending approval on WC, pretty much "X country will advance from groups".

17:12:06 mircea_popescu: obviously mods wanted to consult. now, in the spirit of being in argentina and these people loving the wc, i ok'd the whole bulk

17:12:31 *: asciilifeform read backwards, parsed wc as watercloset

17:12:42 mircea_popescu: but, let me point out, this is pretty horrible business for bitbet, per se. and obviously, i'll be using this data to inform further decisions on what to accept.

17:13:20 mircea_popescu: so logically a) if you wonder later why your zeroconf sports bet got rejected by mods, the reason ios probably here and b) if you want to see sport bets on bitbet, this is a bad time to sit and watch and a great time to get involved.

17:13:22 []bot: Bet created: "Brazil will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/908/

17:13:52 mike_c: sport bets do fine on bitbet (see nba finals bets). soccer on the other hand..

17:15:16 mike_c: Bet created: "Much grass will grow while waiting for somebody to score a goal"

17:15:19 []bot: Bet created: "Croatia will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/909/

17:16:36 mike_c: you argentines should be watching manu ginobli beat the crap out of lebron.

17:16:52 mircea_popescu: obviously also a great time to affliate bitbet, but then again, i couldn't even find an affiliate manager at all

17:17:06 mircea_popescu: apparently everyone wants to sit on his ass and derp on reddit about things, nobody wants to work anymore

17:17:25 mircea_popescu: mike_c what's a manu ginobli

17:17:35 []bot: Bet created: "Mexico will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/910/

17:17:50 mike_c: an awesome argentine basketball player currently winning the nba finals.

17:17:55 mircea_popescu: aok

17:18:37 mike_c: there's a couple frenchies winning too.

17:19:31 []bot: Bet created: "Cameroon will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/911/

17:19:59 mike_c: amazingly, after getting drilled in the ribs, one of the frenchies did not immediately give up but played through!

17:19:59 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

17:21:16 []bot: Bet created: "Spain will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/912/

17:21:41 []bot: Bet created: "Chile will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/913/

17:22:07 []bot: Bet created: "Australia will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/914/

17:22:22 []bot: Bet created: "Netherlands will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/915/

17:27:08 []bot: Bet created: "Colombia will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/916/

17:27:37 nubbins`: what exactly is an affiliate manager, anyway

17:28:08 nubbins`: also, what's pacific salmon like? i've only ever had atlantic :(

17:28:28 nubbins`: except for that one time in japan, but that was a long time ago and also my first sushi experience

17:28:45 nubbins`: so the whole thing is a bit rose-colored

17:28:47 []bot: Bet created: "Greece will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/917/

17:30:00 []bot: Bet created: "Japan will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/918/

17:31:01 mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is atlantic noob :D

17:31:23 mircea_popescu: and an affiliate manager is a guy who knows a lot of affiliate marketeers who trust him.

17:31:36 *: nubbins` checks world map

17:31:49 *: asciilifeform only ever heard of 'affiliate marketeer' as euphemism for spammer

17:32:11 nubbins`: i swear i didn't confuse argentina with chile :(

17:32:16 mircea_popescu: lol

17:32:45 []bot: Bet created: "Cote d'Ivoire will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/919/

17:33:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't even know what the state of the industry is anymore. 20 years ago you had the legitimate folk and then the dumb noobs pretending, much like in bitcoin

17:33:31 mircea_popescu: maybe in the meanwhile it died, i dunno. probable, judging by the fact that everyone i used to know back then is off the grid.

17:33:33 kakobrekla: ascii has it

17:33:46 asciilifeform: if it was once alive - now dead, replaced by scar tissue

17:33:53 mircea_popescu: i guess so. sad.

17:34:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, in 1994 a good affiliate could send you even 100k clicks which'd convert upwards of 10%

17:34:31 mircea_popescu: at an average sale of ~60, you do the math.

17:35:01 []bot: Bet created: "Uruguay will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/920/

17:36:40 []bot: Bet created: "Costa Rica will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/921/

17:36:53 kakobrekla: i think lots of such people moved to seo and such

17:36:59 kakobrekla: which is also a scam

17:37:10 benkay: <mike_c> sport bets do fine on bitbet (see nba finals bets). soccer on the other hand.. // implying footie's not a sport?

17:37:20 mircea_popescu: im prettysure they were doing plenty of seo whatever back then

17:37:29 mircea_popescu: except back then it actually worked

17:37:34 mike_c: benkay: affirmative.

17:38:20 mircea_popescu: 295 results found

17:38:34 []bot: Bet created: "Italy will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/922/

17:38:43 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/895/yankees-to-get-most-all-star-selections/

17:38:43 assbot: BitBet - Yankees to get most all-star selections :: 0.03 B (25%) on Yes, 0.09 B (75%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 5 days | weight: 94`494 (100`000 to 1)

17:38:46 mircea_popescu: look at that junk

17:38:59 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/887/billy-hamilton-rookie-of-the-year/

17:38:59 assbot: BitBet - Billy Hamilton Rookie of the Year :: 0.08 B (45%) on Yes, 0.09 B (55%) on No | closing in 4 months 3 weeks | weight: 96`230 (100`000 to 1)

17:39:07 Apocalyptic: heavy betters indeed

17:39:15 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/878/dee-gordon-most-stolen-bases-2014/

17:39:15 assbot: BitBet - Dee Gordon, Most Stolen Bases 2014 :: 0.07 B (70%) on Yes, 0.03 B (30%) on No | closing in 3 months 4 days | weight: 92`205 (100`000 to 1)

17:40:06 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/837/nadal-to-win-french-open/

17:40:06 assbot: BitBet - Nadal to win French Open :: 0.13 B (59%) on Yes, 0.09 B (41%) on No | closed 1 week 1 day ago

17:40:16 mircea_popescu: basically this is the best proof bitcoin is populated by nerds

17:40:19 mircea_popescu: 0 interest in sports.

17:40:32 benkay: sports betting is a mass thing anyways, isn't it?

17:40:34 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/788/a-golfer-from-usa-will-win-the-2014/

17:40:34 assbot: BitBet - A golfer from USA will win the 2014 Masters :: 0.06 B (47%) on Yes, 0.07 B (53%) on No | closed 2 months 2 days ago

17:40:45 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/765/okc-thunder-to-top-nba-regular-season-rankings/

17:40:45 assbot: BitBet - OKC Thunder to top NBA regular season rankings :: 0.03 B (30%) on Yes, 0.07 B (70%) on No | closed 2 months 1 day ago

17:40:54 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/879/joel-embiid-to-be-1-nba-draft-pick/

17:40:54 assbot: BitBet - Joel Embiid to be #1 NBA Draft Pick :: 0.22 B (71%) on Yes, 0.09 B (29%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 90`156 (100`000 to 75`000)

17:40:59 kakobrekla: well that kuka bet was kinda interesting until it was shown its scripted

17:41:01 mircea_popescu: mike_c you know nba isn't doing SO much better

17:41:10 diametric: i can't wait for the berkshire bet to resolve.

17:41:11 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla right ? nerdiest thing ever.

17:41:18 mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/796/an-eastern-conference-team-will-win-the-nba/

17:41:18 assbot: BitBet - An Eastern Conference team will win the NBA Finals :: 0.97 B (43%) on Yes, 1.28 B (57%) on No | closed 1 week 5 days ago

17:41:23 mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/842/spurs-to-win-2014-nba-finals/

17:41:23 assbot: BitBet - Spurs to win 2014 NBA Finals :: 0.8 B (41%) on Yes, 1.13 B (59%) on No | closed 1 week 17 hours ago

17:41:30 kakobrekla: its sports!

17:42:11 mircea_popescu: mike_c you know break even is 10 btc pool right ?

17:42:15 kakobrekla: but yea, bitcoin people only interested in bitcoin.

17:42:26 []bot: Bet created: "Switzerland will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/923/

17:42:30 mike_c: well, that's not quite true. you do keep one of the house bets.

17:42:33 kakobrekla: ditch the other categories.

17:43:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 10 @ 0.042 = 0.42 BTC

17:43:19 mircea_popescu: mike_c a that's true. so i guess 5.

17:43:25 kakobrekla: new categories: difficulty, price action, stocks, arrests.

17:43:31 mircea_popescu: well guess what! in the past year there's exactly one sports bet that went over 5. you know which ?

17:43:39 mircea_popescu: the halep french open one

17:44:12 []bot: Bet created: "Ecuador will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/924/

17:44:35 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla definitely sports don't merit their own category im thinking.

17:44:37 []bot: Bet created: "France will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/925/

17:44:51 []bot: Bet created: "Honduras will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/926/

17:45:00 kakobrekla: but it helps to keep that part separated from the good part

17:45:00 mircea_popescu: the way I figure it, if the wc set fails to attract 500 btc total pool, we'll just ditch sports as a category and mostly reject all proposed sports bet without zeroconf

17:45:27 []bot: Bet created: "Argentina will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/927/

17:45:28 mircea_popescu: just put em all in misc

17:45:54 asciilifeform: some reason i imagined sport bets were a 'major thing' (not for me personally, but for a mythical 'unwashed mass waiting to arise')

17:46:01 asciilifeform: turns out, no?

17:46:06 mircea_popescu: seems not.

17:46:15 mircea_popescu: unwashed masses wish to arise THOUGH WAITING

17:46:18 mircea_popescu: not through anythingelse.

17:46:20 *: asciilifeform recalls betting shop in Timis

17:46:24 kakobrekla: perhaps yea if its presented circle like

17:46:25 mircea_popescu: tlp actually has a good write-up for this

17:46:32 kakobrekla: or whatever its called

17:46:41 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla do me a favour, calculat ethe sum pool over the sports bets past 365 days

17:47:00 kakobrekla: kay

17:47:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but that's the same bitcents they do here

17:47:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one hypothesis: the sports aficionados are... broke

17:47:58 mircea_popescu: maybe

17:48:00 mike_c: another: they aren't used to betting on games parimutuel style

17:48:03 []bot: Bet created: "Bosnia and Herzegovina will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/928/

17:48:23 los_pantalones: as a sports betting person myself

17:48:23 mircea_popescu: mike_c prolly a large factor also.

17:48:28 []bot: Bet created: "Iran will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/929/

17:48:32 los_pantalones: i can say the bitbet contracts don't really do it for me

17:48:42 los_pantalones: b/c i need a very last second bet

17:48:50 los_pantalones: and live betting during the event

17:48:53 []bot: Bet created: "Nigeria will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/930/

17:49:08 mircea_popescu: mike_c the other way to formulate this is, sports bettors are not motivated by the money. they expect specific sorts of services provided

17:49:12 mircea_popescu: for which bitbet is poorly fitted

17:49:28 los_pantalones: mircea_popescu like what ?

17:49:46 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones drinks, tits, streaming game, betting tips, a whole atmosphere such as it is

17:49:52 los_pantalones: nah nah, i do online

17:49:55 los_pantalones: i need in game

17:49:55 mircea_popescu: in exchange for which they don't mind -50% EV

17:50:06 los_pantalones: but i like trading vol

17:50:12 los_pantalones: it's not a prediction game

17:50:23 mircea_popescu: explain this trading vol thing

17:50:34 los_pantalones: we spoke briefly about this before, bitbet is well suited to get an accurate prediction

17:50:42 los_pantalones: did you ever use tradesports?

17:50:44 los_pantalones: back in the day

17:50:49 los_pantalones: all binary bets

17:50:51 mircea_popescu: i don't actually bet

17:50:54 los_pantalones: live before and during event

17:51:09 los_pantalones: let's say event is mp vs pnts trades 0 to 100

17:51:10 mircea_popescu: line style ?

17:51:16 los_pantalones: no

17:51:29 los_pantalones: you are pummeling me early, look fat and out of shape

17:51:33 mike_c: contract bets. with bids/asks.

17:51:34 los_pantalones: trades near 10

17:51:43 los_pantalones: i come back in the second round, look better

17:51:45 los_pantalones: moves to 20

17:51:51 los_pantalones: there is constant volume

17:51:58 los_pantalones: works really well in basketball

17:52:05 los_pantalones: big halftime lead, line moves too far to the edge

17:52:07 los_pantalones: just fade it

17:52:32 los_pantalones: there is vol in the expectation of the outcome of the event during the event, the price moves

17:52:38 los_pantalones: i enjoy that

17:52:44 los_pantalones: i hate the sportsbook type trading

17:52:53 los_pantalones: where you can only bet one side, so bitbet already better in that regard

17:53:19 los_pantalones: but still retains the fixed bet part

17:53:27 mircea_popescu: im not sure why you think what you're describing isn't already present on bitbet.

17:53:42 los_pantalones: when do the sports bets close?

17:53:52 mircea_popescu: at some point after the event/

17:54:06 mike_c: it doesn't have fixed odds

17:54:09 []bot: Bet created: "Germany will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/931/

17:54:11 mike_c: odds change

17:54:33 []bot: Bet created: "Portugal will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/932/

17:54:34 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones let me translate what you just described in bitbet terms.

17:54:56 mircea_popescu: so, on 1st of month bet MP vs LP is made. game is set for 5th. bet closes on 7th.

17:54:59 []bot: Bet created: "Ghana will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/933/

17:55:03 los_pantalones: looking at bosnia will advance to group stage, the betting closes 23-06-2014, is that after the last potential match

17:55:16 mircea_popescu: at game start on 5th, weighted pots are 57k MP 33k LP

17:55:24 []bot: Bet created: "USA will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/934/

17:55:27 los_pantalones: ah, well, then i am absolutely wrong

17:55:31 mircea_popescu: and weight is whatever, 85k

17:55:35 los_pantalones: i was under the impression the bet closed before the event

17:55:39 los_pantalones: i will now promptly go bet

17:55:42 mircea_popescu: one hour later, weight being 84,500 you decide to buy more LP

17:55:52 mircea_popescu: pot moves 57k to 37k

17:55:55 mircea_popescu: so odds went from

17:55:57 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 57/33

17:55:58 gribble: 1.72727272727

17:55:58 mircea_popescu: to

17:56:03 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 57/37

17:56:03 gribble: 1.54054054054

17:56:10 kakobrekla: ;;calc 67703615976/100000000

17:56:10 gribble: 677.03615976

17:56:20 mircea_popescu: then you want to push the other way ? bet a little more on mp. so its now 58k to 37k

17:56:22 mircea_popescu: etc

17:56:37 los_pantalones: yes yes, i am a wrong here

17:56:39 los_pantalones: and here i go

17:56:41 los_pantalones: to place me bets

17:56:42 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that can't be past year. it must be all time

17:56:53 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones which is why i need a bunch of fucking affiliates

17:57:00 mircea_popescu: to explain this to people, who otherwise would be betting

17:57:38 los_pantalones: http://bitbet.us/bet/539/brazil-will-win-fifa-world-cup-2014/

17:57:38 assbot: BitBet - Brazil will win FIFA World Cup 2014 :: 0.49 B (26%) on Yes, 1.41 B (74%) on No | closing in 1 day 6 hours | weight: 486 (100`000 to 1)

17:57:39 []bot: Bet created: "Algeria will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/935/

17:57:41 los_pantalones: this closes in 1 day

17:57:46 mircea_popescu: AND the beauty of parimutuel is that you can always adjust your exposure to a pot %

17:57:52 mircea_popescu: so you never motherfucking get taken out of the game

17:57:54 []bot: Bet created: "Russia will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/936/

17:58:02 mircea_popescu: you wish to have 1% of the pot, you can make sure you do no matter what happens

17:58:02 mike_c: *provided infinite capital.

17:58:16 los_pantalones: why does this brazil to win bet close in 30 hours ?

17:58:20 mircea_popescu: mike_c provided you own the % of total world capital that you wish your % of the pool to be

17:58:34 mircea_popescu: if you own 1% of all bitcoin, you're guaranteed a 1% slice of any bet pool you ever wish to have.

17:58:39 []bot: Bet created: "South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/937/

17:59:02 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones oh fuck.

17:59:09 mircea_popescu: you bring a motherfucking VERY GOOD POINT don't you,.

17:59:13 los_pantalones: ok, i'm not crazy!

17:59:17 kakobrekla: bah i always mix gte and lte.

17:59:17 mircea_popescu: i broke the model in the implementation ;/

17:59:25 los_pantalones: yes!

17:59:27 los_pantalones: say it!

17:59:29 mircea_popescu: jesus fuck.

17:59:30 los_pantalones: say "my bad"

17:59:49 kakobrekla: 258.82066273 satoshi over 166

17:59:55 los_pantalones: here i was, feeling like a lazy asshole

17:59:56 kakobrekla: eh

17:59:59 kakobrekla: satoshi = btc

18:00:15 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones my bad :D

18:00:19 los_pantalones: nice!

18:00:23 los_pantalones: i can die a happy man

18:00:35 kakobrekla: ;;calc 258/166

18:00:35 gribble: 1.55421686747

18:00:39 kakobrekla: O_o

18:00:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, this bitchfest of mine has yielded quite actionable advice from the chan that's +IQ

18:01:04 mircea_popescu: specifically, i'll make the mods put close dates for sports bets AFTER the event.

18:01:44 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla of which 201 arefrom the cointoss

18:01:48 los_pantalones: sweet, the existing WC events will be adjusted

18:01:50 mircea_popescu: so 57 over 166.

18:01:52 los_pantalones: or just for future

18:01:55 los_pantalones: b/c i would like to participate

18:01:59 mircea_popescu: meh.

18:02:14 mircea_popescu: o how have i sinned ;/

18:02:39 benkay: too bad about that mircea_popescu bitbet, eh

18:03:56 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey listen, we take the close date on the recent WC batch from 24th to 26th ?

18:04:26 kakobrekla: i hate you but ok

18:04:30 mircea_popescu: i hate me too.

18:04:36 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones there.

18:05:37 kakobrekla: from which to which id is this ?

18:06:01 mircea_popescu: 908 to 937

18:06:09 mircea_popescu: and add 1 to close too

18:06:17 mircea_popescu: 26 close 27 resolve

18:06:49 mircea_popescu: give people a fucking chance with the bets clearing

18:08:07 kakobrekla: not all end the same day as it is now

18:08:20 kakobrekla: we want all on 26 regardless ?

18:08:32 mircea_popescu: hm lemme look at this again

18:08:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25037377 BTC [-]

18:09:09 chetty: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2656101/Clever-boy-Dogs-prefer-EARN-treats-solving-problems-receiving-handouts.html

18:09:10 assbot: Clever boy! Dogs prefer to EARN treats by solving problems, rather than receiving handouts | Mail Online

18:09:19 kakobrekla: some are 23th some 24th

18:09:25 mircea_popescu: just do it like this : current resolutrion date becomes close date

18:09:32 mircea_popescu: new resolution date becomes that +1 day

18:09:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25036387 = 0.5007 BTC [-]

18:10:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.02982307 = 0.3877 BTC [+] {2}

18:13:12 mircea_popescu: i wonder if people's cvs will end up including links to ba logs where i go "my bad"

18:13:20 los_pantalones: great point

18:13:23 los_pantalones: i will def list that

18:14:16 benkay: mine has the links to my few good ideas

18:14:43 mircea_popescu: o and ALSO... make close weight 10k

18:14:49 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^

18:15:14 kakobrekla: rm -rf /bitbet

18:15:22 mircea_popescu: :(

18:15:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: knuth's typo cheques

18:15:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah i was thinking that

18:16:04 los_pantalones: oh come to think of it, i love the decay feature of the bitbet on a live event

18:16:20 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones yes but 100k to 1 is too much for sports.

18:16:28 los_pantalones: prevents all the last minute people glomming onto the trade

18:16:36 mircea_popescu: consider our case. bet is made on 1st. weight is 100k. if someone puts 10 btc on it then, it's sealed.

18:16:38 los_pantalones: yeah, agreed, just hadn't even thought that through

18:16:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2200 @ 0.0000628 = 0.1382 BTC [-]

18:16:48 mircea_popescu: but if the most it collects is the few bicents we mostly get currently,

18:16:59 mircea_popescu: then a few bitcoin bets during the event make sense, even if they're 1/10 weight

18:17:04 mircea_popescu: but NOT if they're 1/100000

18:17:39 mircea_popescu: so from now on, sports bets will end at 10k, and close after the event.

18:17:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4576 @ 0.00082137 = 3.7586 BTC [-]

18:18:00 los_pantalones: mircea_popescu, you are a gentleman and a scholar, tyvm

18:18:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25038479 BTC [+]

18:19:47 mircea_popescu: !up PoUpA

18:20:02 mircea_popescu: this should also work nicely with []bot's live streaming of bets.

18:20:11 mircea_popescu: -assets will become this place to watch sports!

18:20:23 los_pantalones: just what we all wanted

18:20:35 los_pantalones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7u9hP4r1S8&feature=kp

18:20:35 assbot: Sports! | Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! | Adult Swim - YouTube

18:20:47 mircea_popescu: no idea what i'll do with this entertainment section tho, it's even more fucked up than sports currently.

18:21:06 asciilifeform: potentially serious flaw: -assets cannot yet pour beer.

18:21:35 Apocalyptic: beer is overrated

18:23:59 mircea_popescu: and with this little adventure, Confirmed bets: 10009

18:24:02 mircea_popescu: we crossed 10k

18:24:15 mircea_popescu: Confirmed total: 14820 BTC. so like 1.482 btc average pool

18:24:20 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

18:24:21 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 616.93, Best ask: 618.88, Bid-ask spread: 1.95000, Last trade: 616.93, 24 hour volume: 8565.07142918, 24 hour low: 613.71, 24 hour high: 640.79, 24 hour vwap: 623.452038028

18:24:30 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 623.452038028 * 1.482

18:24:30 gribble: 923.955920357

18:24:32 mircea_popescu: heh.

18:26:08 mircea_popescu: http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/comment/blonde-james-bond-funny-pictures-634373.jpeg

18:27:08 benkay: o.O

18:27:27 benkay: more girls naked in public please and less...horrorshow.

18:28:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25038589 BTC [+]

18:29:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25039089 = 0.5008 BTC [+] {2}

18:30:00 mircea_popescu: a ok

18:30:14 kakobrekla: >Confirmed bets: 10044

18:30:18 kakobrekla: thanks to sports spam.

18:30:24 kakobrekla: but hey, congrats mircea_popescu .

18:30:32 mircea_popescu: no u

18:30:36 kakobrekla: NO U

18:30:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25039599 = 0.5008 BTC [+]

18:31:06 mircea_popescu: :*

18:31:13 kakobrekla: <3

18:31:53 mircea_popescu: wait is that a heart or a butt

18:32:04 asciilifeform: gramophone horn

18:32:10 jurov: i hate how this question comes to me at exactly such moment.. S.MPOE dividend was not paid yet?

18:32:33 mircea_popescu: jurov which one ?

18:32:50 jurov: may

18:33:03 mircea_popescu: may smpoe report will come june with the june report

18:33:07 mircea_popescu: twas in teh logs

18:33:38 jurov: ok

18:33:42 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> wait is that a heart or a butt < buartt

18:33:52 mircea_popescu: lol

18:34:17 jurov: and thus, "it's in the logs" meme was born.

18:36:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17327 @ 0.00082239 = 14.2496 BTC [+] {2}

18:38:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, to try and patch things up with benkay

18:38:18 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/480ed4c73785526aafbf545c3de32dc7/tumblr_n0ub91DyCI1sn33z3o1_400.jpg

18:38:53 benkay: so underwhelm.

18:39:11 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/f84c58f51f22c78593520d54d4d2a3ff/tumblr_n1wk269E0E1ro88meo1_500.jpg

18:40:40 benkay: mas

18:40:45 benkay: <3

18:41:10 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/67144e7e062eccc1d53429021583efda/tumblr_n5wy0rykS41s9e2ofo1_500.jpg

18:42:54 benkay: haha excellent.

18:43:37 mircea_popescu: perv.

18:43:53 jurov: it's possible to have direct links for a category?

18:44:04 jurov: http://bitbet.us/browse/?filtercat=Sports does not work

18:44:04 assbot: Browse BitBet

18:44:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00082672 = 30.0926 BTC [+]

18:45:06 jurov: i want to spam around with "bet on worldcup nao", such link would help

18:45:16 jurov: ofc it should accept ?ref

18:45:16 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla might be able to halp :D

18:45:35 kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/browse/sports/

18:45:35 assbot: Browse BitBet

18:45:36 mircea_popescu: benkay http://38.media.tumblr.com/d108bbd1b3fe167f8aeebcfbceccd90b/tumblr_n5wx6awLOi1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg

18:45:48 mircea_popescu: and http://24.media.tumblr.com/0c9afc9d5501435c6196c8cf11861901/tumblr_n5wx2kmAoy1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg

18:45:51 kakobrekla: it accepts ref

18:46:34 jurov: lol kakobrekla, that was very exhausting answer

18:46:49 kakobrekla: categories are linked from single bet view

18:46:54 kakobrekla: you can click on cat name

18:47:01 kakobrekla: except if its manul.

18:47:05 mircea_popescu: lol

18:47:17 jurov: i see, it's helpfully nod underlined

18:47:32 jurov: *not

18:47:34 kakobrekla: yeah i hate underline.

18:47:45 jurov: ;;slap kakobrekla

18:47:46 *: gribble slaps kakobrekla with a parenthetical clay

18:47:59 kakobrekla: dafuq dat hurt

18:48:42 mircea_popescu: "I have no interest at all in shooting 4K for adult. It's all I can do to make some of these models look good in "HD". It's way too much definition for some girls"

18:48:45 mircea_popescu: ajahaha poorpeople.

18:48:54 jurov: can't you at least make the link bluish?

18:49:02 kakobrekla: its underlined nao

18:49:21 jurov: oh thx (^^)

18:49:27 kakobrekla: :* <3

18:51:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ajahaha poorpeople << still not convinced that this fascinating 'poverty of the spirit' has much to do with money

18:51:24 chetty: https://blockchain.info/tx/7ecad9a3e67bebda52c0bdafb53863938b86e30e58eb179aec747903b50baa2d

18:51:24 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 7ecad9a3e67bebda52c0bdafb53863938b86e30e58eb179aec747903b50baa2d

18:52:05 benkay: good spot, chetty

18:52:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35995 @ 0.00083099 = 29.9115 BTC [+] {3}

18:54:20 asciilifeform: chetty: related? http://www.coindesk.com/vc-firm-bid-fbi-silk-road-bitcoins

18:54:21 assbot: VC Firm Makes Bid for FBIs Seized Silk Road Bitcoins

18:56:00 chetty: I guess so

18:56:15 mircea_popescu: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/us/politics/eric-cantor-loses-gop-primary.html

18:56:18 assbot: Log In - The New York Times

18:56:21 mircea_popescu: har har.

18:57:26 jurov: lol i read the link as "loses gpg primary"

18:57:34 asciilifeform: lol!

18:57:45 mircea_popescu: haha

18:58:08 chetty: first time in history that a 'party leader' lost in a primary, maybe there is hope for the ussa

18:58:22 princessnell: yes i am very happy about that

18:59:49 princessnell: i don't think there's much hope but i always enjoy when the lizards have to scramble http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-11/boeing-tumbles-as-cantor-loss-clouds-ex-im-bank-s-future.html

18:59:49 assbot: Boeing Tumbles as Cantor Loss Clouds Ex-Im Banks Future - Bloomberg

19:00:25 asciilifeform: chetty: about as interesting, imho, as... the death of andropov

19:01:04 chetty: well it prolly wont make a drop of difference, but it feels good for a split second

19:01:11 princessnell: right :)

19:01:13 asciilifeform: exactly this

19:19:15 TomServo: It should be noted that the FBI has a lot of bitcoins to sell. In addition to drug-tainted Silk Road coins, the FBI has a much bigger stash: an estimate from Casey Research puts the figure between 5% and 10% of all bitcoins in circulation.

19:19:34 TomServo: ^ First I've heard of that, is this common knowledge?

19:22:35 mike_c: ;;calc 132000 / 12000000

19:22:36 gribble: 0.011

19:22:58 mike_c: 5% seems high to me

19:23:36 mircea_popescu: ok this beats all.

19:23:40 mircea_popescu: you're not going to believe it

19:23:50 mircea_popescu: argentines don't install fiber WHILE IT RAINS

19:24:00 chetty: hahahaha

19:25:23 mircea_popescu: TomServo its neither common knowledge nor actually ever documented

19:25:30 mircea_popescu: it is perhaps true, in that they've been mining like crazy

19:27:51 TomServo: mircea_popescu: Don't worry, I've got an alarm set to check in with you, in what - 49 years now? For your proof. :P

19:32:03 chetty: fbi informants demand to be paid in bitcoin!!!! (pass it on, makes a great rumor)

19:32:16 Blazedout419: !up only

19:32:30 Blazedout419: ;;gettrust assbot only

19:32:31 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user only: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=only | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=only | Rated since: Mon Feb 17 18:33:39 2014

19:32:50 Blazedout419: ;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419

19:32:50 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013

19:34:57 only: anyone know what is happening?

19:35:01 only: https://blockchain.info/address/1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX

19:35:02 assbot: Bitcoin Address 1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX

19:35:03 only: https://blockchain.info/address/1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH

19:35:03 assbot: Bitcoin Address 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH

19:35:16 mircea_popescu: only read the logs ?

19:35:36 only: mircea_popescu nope, sorry, am reading them right now

19:38:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.0299996 = 0.39 BTC [+]

19:40:45 only: good biz for Eliptic, I guess

19:42:15 mircea_popescu: meanwhile a message from the queen

19:42:16 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/5baa69490a40a93eba2436a35774380c/tumblr_mfrfgzfSCg1s1k6u9o1_500.gif

19:45:40 chetty: last time oil was getting this high we had a market crash ..............look out below

19:47:16 jurov: http://gigaom.com/2014/06/12/clever-piece-of-code-exposes-hidden-changes-to-supreme-court-opinions/ lmao law bitrot

19:47:16 assbot: Clever piece of code exposes hidden changes to Supreme Court opinions — Tech News and Analysis

19:47:39 mircea_popescu: no gpg, no security.

19:47:41 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://37.media.tumblr.com/512146b35c62c25752e0aead1faa9b61/tumblr_n5wvm5AW7p1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg

19:48:37 mircea_popescu: jurov isn't this minitruth quite exactly ?

19:48:46 jurov: quite.

19:50:43 mircea_popescu: im going to make sure and raise this objection to the us supreme court's competence in any case before it, that it is unqualified to sit as a court because it scams with its published decisions.

19:51:25 fluffypony: this looks amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8s3erGGF90

19:51:25 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:51:26 assbot: Paddington - Official Trailer - The Weinstein Company - YouTube

19:53:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1127 @ 0.00082844 = 0.9337 BTC [-]

20:01:14 asciilifeform: re scotus retcon diddling, obligatory:

20:01:15 asciilifeform: http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm

20:03:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno how someone could seriously propose they're a chief justice and not gpg sign

20:03:47 mircea_popescu: it's like some broad in new york cca 1700 pretending she's a fashion guru and not washing

20:04:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it gets better. military brass (sometimes! optionally!) signs. but with what: ms-outlook plugin.

20:04:40 mircea_popescu: sad

20:04:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: key stored in what: employee badge.

20:05:40 BingoBoingo: Approving the Billy Hamilton bet was a mistake. There's no attractive reason to go in on yes, even as a longshot. He's fast whis is exciting, but fast doesn't win any "of the year" awards.

20:05:55 asciilifeform: this, one should note, is when they're 'flying the mahogany bomber.' in the field, these folks have ancient hardware that does something like civilized crypto

20:06:12 asciilifeform: (as described here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323)

20:06:13 assbot: Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name.

20:06:17 benkay: princessnell: is http://thecurioustask.tumblr.com/post/88526387754/hey-look-what-i-made-pretty-cool-huh this a chart of how much the various countries are subsidizing exports?

20:06:18 assbot: hey look what i made. pretty cool huh. - Mystery of the Mundane

20:06:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.070706 = 0.1414 BTC [+]

20:08:08 princessnell: benkay specifically, of medium/long-term loan guarantees from G-7 export credit agencies

20:08:28 princessnell: there's a ton more subsidies that aren't counted

20:10:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]

20:11:58 benkay: fascinating.

20:12:03 benkay: so this is why the peso isn't doomed.

20:14:40 mircea_popescu: princessnell shouldn't they be accounted ?

20:14:44 mircea_popescu: !up terpy

20:14:52 mircea_popescu: terpy who're you ?

20:15:28 princessnell: mircea_popescu this graph is meant to address a specific policy issue. but sure someone should be keeping tabs on that.

20:15:38 davout: pankkake: "it comes with a special status" <<< a mod in a local section of the forum isn't much more than a glorified janitor

20:15:56 mircea_popescu: princessnell a ok.

20:16:49 davout: pankkake: granted i get access to some additionnal derpage in the form of access to the "staff" section

20:17:29 davout: (also donators, where goat made some splendid display of butthurt)

20:17:42 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I saw a great baseball play a few days ago - huge hit into outfield, outfielder duffs the catch (bounces off his glove), has this brief moment of confusion before running after it and lobbing it all the way back to home base, and the batter is run out. Now I can't find it. Jog any memories?

20:19:07 jurov: !up BigBitz

20:20:58 jurov: !up BigBitz

20:22:13 los_pantalones: fluffypony yoenis cespedes

20:22:16 los_pantalones: he did it twice now

20:22:19 los_pantalones: in a short period of time

20:22:22 mike_c: the new price chart is awesome. i <3 atc.blockr.io

20:22:36 fluffypony: los_pantalones: tks

20:23:00 fluffypony: los_pantalones: that throw was insane, I couldn't believe the distance it covered, and it looked like such a lazy lob

20:25:08 mircea_popescu: would be even better with volume :D

20:31:00 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: That happens at least once a week probably...

20:31:10 BingoBoingo: %book

20:31:11 atcbot: 16k@260 35k@250 2k@240 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140

20:33:23 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Now on Friday one of the actually rare triple plays happened, though no the still rarer unassisted version http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/06/06/cardinals-turn-triple-play/10109459/

20:33:26 assbot: Cardinals turn triple play with bases loaded

20:34:19 los_pantalones: only 2 things i enjoy about baseball...

20:34:22 los_pantalones: 1) yelling "BALK"

20:34:27 los_pantalones: 2) someone stealing home

20:34:52 BingoBoingo: Those are great things.

20:34:54 asciilifeform: what's 'balk'? like 'tilt' in pinball?

20:35:00 BingoBoingo: I also like fan interference

20:35:06 los_pantalones: if the pitcher starts to go into his pitching motion towards the plate

20:35:08 los_pantalones: but then stops

20:35:11 los_pantalones: and does anything elese

20:35:15 los_pantalones: runners advance

20:35:21 asciilifeform: false-start ?

20:35:24 BingoBoingo: Yeah

20:35:26 los_pantalones: it's the most subjective call in most sports

20:35:29 los_pantalones: one of*

20:35:47 BingoBoingo: All of the great completely subjective calls live in baseball

20:36:03 los_pantalones: you could call balk one out of every 3 pitches

20:36:11 los_pantalones: in my "pulled totally out of my ass" book of stats

20:36:40 Apocalyptic: los_pantalones, note that he can properly pull out of the pitching motion

20:36:50 Apocalyptic: then he's allowed to do whatever he wants

20:36:55 BingoBoingo: Delay of game is another one of those things called too infrequently. By the book the pitcher has 12 seconds to unload the ball

20:37:09 los_pantalones: i like yelling "Defensive 3 seconds" at bball games too

20:37:17 los_pantalones: i'm that horrible person that shouldn't be there in the 1st place

20:39:26 BingoBoingo: At least it isn't the traditional Philadelphia throwing of batteries.

20:43:54 BingoBoingo: The meta-game of trying to call Tommy Johns surgeries well in advance is also an interesting game.

20:47:42 BingoBoingo: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/harrison-ford-injured-star-wars-711457

20:47:42 assbot: Harrison Ford Injured on the 'Star Wars: Episode VII' Set - Hollywood Reporter

20:49:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0238 = 0.119 BTC [+]

20:51:41 BingoBoingo: %diff

20:51:42 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 489020.64 in 1120 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -31.64

20:58:07 kakobrekla: ;;ticker

20:58:08 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 586.5, Best ask: 588.7, Bid-ask spread: 2.20000, Last trade: 586.5, 24 hour volume: 14120.94970484, 24 hour low: 586.0, 24 hour high: 635.0, 24 hour vwap: 614.907414164

20:58:18 mike_c: feds are scaring people

20:58:59 kakobrekla: 500 here we come.

20:59:58 bitcoinpete: ;;bc,stats

21:00:00 gribble: Current Blocks: 305478 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 953 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 16 hours, 8 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12475321178.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.11378

21:00:24 bitcoinpete: back to almost 96k th/s

21:01:01 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: time to load up

21:04:34 fluffypony: http://sploid.gizmodo.com/holy-crap-nasas-interplanetary-spaceship-concept-is-fr-1589001939

21:04:34 assbot: NASA's real life Enterprise may take us to other star systems one day

21:05:06 kakobrekla: bitcoinpete im always as loaded up as i can be.

21:05:28 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: lol ya same

21:06:43 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: when we can fund nasa for a year with a single btc, i say we ipo that thing

21:07:03 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: why not IPO the IPO right now?

21:08:13 bitcoinpete: on fluffex?

21:08:28 bitcoinpete: the other real bitcoin stock exchange

21:08:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19464 @ 0.0008283 = 16.122 BTC [-]

21:08:32 fluffypony: hmmmmm

21:08:39 fluffypony: maybe we should do it properly

21:08:46 fluffypony: distributed anonymous corporation

21:08:50 jurov: first, only and fluffy

21:08:52 kakobrekla: --

21:08:52 fluffypony: on MasterFluff

21:08:55 kakobrekla: many hater here but our statistic say all:

21:08:55 kakobrekla: 7305 members with over 2175.6225769231 bitcoins are trusting us!

21:08:55 kakobrekla: and we still pay the 3% daily profit - we are legit

21:08:55 kakobrekla: --

21:08:57 fluffypony: you have to buy Fluffcoins

21:09:01 Apocalyptic: Fluffmaid imo

21:09:06 fluffypony: lol

21:09:09 fluffypony: SafeFluff

21:09:23 bitcoinpete: fluffereum

21:09:25 fluffypony: then you can use your SafeFluffs to trade on Fluffmade

21:09:35 fluffypony: or sell shares on Myfluffyium Local Trader

21:09:55 bitcoinpete: and buy on fluffstamp

21:09:59 Apocalyptic: where is that from kako ?

21:10:28 fluffypony: kakobrekla: sounds like a typical HYIP

21:10:35 kakobrekla: Apocalyptic , the best forum in the universe (fuck maddox yeah) many hater here but our statistic say all:

21:10:35 kakobrekla: 7305 members with over 2175.6225769231 bitcoins are trusting us!

21:10:35 kakobrekla: and we still pay the 3% daily profit - we are legit

21:10:37 kakobrekla: o fuck

21:10:44 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=610197.msg7278003#msg7278003

21:10:45 assbot: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet

21:10:50 kakobrekla: bad paste there sorry.

21:10:51 Apocalyptic: ty

21:11:02 Apocalyptic: url says it all, I see nao

21:12:51 kakobrekla: fluffypony you gonna do GLFSE too ?

21:13:08 fluffypony: LOL

21:13:14 fluffypony: BitcoinFlourse

21:13:16 *: davout tips some floge to kakobrekla fluffypony bitcoinpete and Apocalyptic

21:13:44 davout: let's invite flotcoin and have some fun

21:14:14 kakobrekla: floge?

21:14:31 kakobrekla: ;;ud floge

21:14:32 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Floge | The hole left behind from a penis piercing, a derogatory term for any real douche- bag (man that Matt Damon is such a floge)

21:14:34 fluffypony: Flogecoin of course

21:14:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00082576 = 26.5069 BTC [-] {2}

21:14:40 fluffypony: or that...

21:17:22 davout: <+fluffypony> Flogecoin of course <<< this

21:18:29 davout: floge -> "The hole left behind from a penis piercing" <<< don't forget to floss!

21:20:29 fluffypony: LOL

21:20:39 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: fluffypony you spend entirely too much time on usagi. << is that possible?

21:20:48 fluffypony: so after S.LIMBS I think mircea_popescu is going to have to do an F.LUFFY

21:20:52 bitcoinpete: laugh a day...

21:21:20 bitcoinpete: f.luffy: the enterprise solution for the starship enterprise

21:21:24 fluffypony: LOL

21:22:05 dub: f.luffer a spinoff from klyemax

21:22:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00082988 = 24.2325 BTC [+] {2}

21:23:11 bitcoinpete: spaceporn

21:23:13 bitcoinpete: now we're talking

21:23:25 Apocalyptic: dat klye...

21:23:27 bitcoinpete: we can americanize that japanese shit

21:24:04 jurov: africanize

21:24:32 jurov: like, hentai with black characters?

21:27:13 fluffypony: hah hah

21:27:38 fluffypony: F.LUFF - First Best Greatest Africanized Spacepronz

21:27:57 dub: ;;ud fluffer

21:27:58 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fluffer | fluffer. (noun) a person in the adult entertainment industry whose job it is to give male porno stars blowjobs in order to get them ready to perform. Where's my ...

21:28:53 davout: dub: lmao

21:30:19 bitcoinpete: jurov: precisely. then sell it back to the chinese civilizers there

21:33:10 benkay: http://www.usmarshals.gov/assets/2014/bitcoins/

21:33:11 assbot: USMS Asset Forfeiture Sale

21:34:02 mike_c: oh wow

21:34:59 mircea_popescu: !up sHINOBI_CZ

21:35:13 kakobrekla: -assets should make a bid, like 29500.

21:36:03 mike_c: !bid 29501

21:36:04 bitcoinpete: "On Monday, June 30, 2014, by 5:00 P.M. EST, the USMS will notify the winning bidder/bidders that their bid/bids has/have been selected."

21:36:23 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so is this bccb v2.0 ?

21:36:43 fluffypony: kakobrekla: you need $200k as a deposit just to bid

21:36:51 jborkl: mike_c would you give me your opinion of the blue blocks on bcoinnews

21:36:59 kakobrekla: fluffypony so?

21:37:02 mike_c: this does not include DPR coins, so.. they don't have control of them?

21:37:04 dub: ;;market sell 29501

21:37:04 gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 29501 bitcoins right now would net 9166242.2850 USD and would take the last price down to 1.4500 USD, resulting in an average price of 310.7095 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 26.0473 seconds

21:37:07 jborkl: like or no like

21:37:22 kakobrekla: no, just offer btc straight

21:37:23 bitcoinpete: ;;market buy 29501

21:37:23 gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 18158.097 bitcoins, for a total of 19094927.9273 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 45.2129 seconds

21:37:25 kakobrekla: no conversion.

21:37:28 davout: nice dip! x.eur to the moon!

21:37:31 fluffypony: lol

21:37:41 kakobrekla: its gonna be the highest bid.

21:37:45 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/06/target_breach_cyberinsurance_is_a_mess.html

21:37:46 assbot: Target breach: Cyberinsurance is a mess.

21:38:09 mircea_popescu: <dub> f.luffer a spinoff from klyemax << lol

21:38:25 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu you mean the bankster ?

21:38:29 bitcoinpete: this sale will provide some of the best price signal in months

21:38:36 mike_c: "Transfer Fees. Any transfer fees associated with the transfer of the bitcoins will be paid by the buyer."

21:39:33 kakobrekla: o fuck then we are out.

21:39:49 mircea_popescu: "The USMS will not transfer bitcoins to an obscene public address, a public address apparently in a country restricted by the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), a public address apparently associated with terrorism, other criminal activities, or otherwise hostile to the United States."

21:40:04 mircea_popescu: someone warned them about BingoBoingo buying it

21:40:12 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah

21:40:13 BingoBoingo: lol

21:40:15 mike_c: hah! kako's bid doesn't count. i'm lowering my bid to 29499

21:40:31 mircea_popescu: why wouldn't it cunt?

21:40:38 mike_c: he's a foreigner.

21:41:13 fluffypony: so they won't transfer it to my 1fuck address?

21:41:18 fluffypony: disappointing.

21:41:26 kakobrekla: anyway at the rate btc is going this will be pocket money by friday

21:41:33 BingoBoingo: wait fluffypony you've never seen my vanity address?

21:42:04 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: no?

21:42:13 BingoBoingo: 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4

21:42:16 fluffypony: LOL

21:42:39 mircea_popescu: "its very easy to fuck members serious, hard work -please dont talk shit without any evidence."

21:43:27 mike_c: i hope warren buys them all

21:43:37 mircea_popescu: scammer : here's a link to a list of registered businesses. we're the 5th

21:43:45 mircea_popescu: forum dumb : a tyvm that does a lot.

21:45:02 Apocalyptic: ^

21:45:42 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/man-arrested-for-parodying-mayor-on-twitter-files-civil-rights-lawsuit/

21:45:43 assbot: Man arrested for parodying mayor on Twitter files civil rights lawsuit | Ars Technica

21:46:00 mircea_popescu: "BurtW - be honest and say the true, nobody scammed you, you sent to a other address your bitcoins"

21:46:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00082565 = 14.1186 BTC [-]

21:46:24 mircea_popescu: burt is kinda putting the elbow grease in huh

21:47:10 BingoBoingo: Where is this conversation like thing?

21:49:50 BingoBoingo: Actual auction dealbreaker "All interested parties must first register with the USMS."

21:50:55 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's piss anyway. some us side fund will buy it, sell it to us, then lose the records. usms can suck it.

21:52:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And through all of this the Marshalls will be powerless to keep the coins from vulgar addresses that have yet to be imagined.

21:53:50 fluffypony: "We are in violent agreement."

21:53:51 fluffypony: lol

21:55:21 Apocalyptic: I don't even...

21:56:22 pankkake: davout: but no VIP section?

21:57:00 pankkake: wow btc going down

21:57:15 TheNewDeal: I hope the price drops like a rock until that auction then just skyrockets back up

21:57:17 pankkake: understandable, no one should take their users serisously

21:57:52 pankkake: well I bought at 480 EUR, hoping to quickly trade it. anothe fail

21:58:33 pankkake: as long as bitcointalk is a thing btc will stay <1000

21:59:12 davout: pankkake: dem sikrit sections i see -> http://i.imgur.com/wqy9zV2.png

21:59:52 pankkake: oh, so a VIP restricted thing. nothing about me in that one?

21:59:57 jborkl: 6 in a row for ghash

21:59:57 mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> I hope the price drops like a rock until that auction then just skyrockets back up << lol

22:00:15 pankkake: somehow I feel usagi knew something, and that's why he deleted his post about me "deleting" my posts

22:01:13 Apocalyptic: <pankkake> somehow I feel usagi knew something // I have trouble to believe that

22:01:18 pankkake: lol

22:01:29 kakobrekla: maybe he knew the window isnt real.

22:01:46 davout: pankkake: the guy is vip?

22:01:48 pankkake: I thought it was the spoon

22:01:54 pankkake: davout: all scammers are vip

22:02:06 kakobrekla: or mods!

22:02:09 davout: i really don't get the fetish -assets has for this usagi guy

22:02:13 pankkake: I'm not kidding, the majority of them ran scams

22:02:13 davout: kakobrekla: OR FRENCH

22:02:18 kakobrekla: :D

22:02:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.0238 = 1.2614 BTC [-]

22:02:30 pankkake: davout: me neither, they just haven't kept up with the new breed of fail

22:02:37 pankkake: it's just that usagi is "still there"

22:02:42 mircea_popescu: <davout> i really don't get the fetish -assets has for this usagi guy << he's diligently stupid and has been for a long time.

22:02:54 mircea_popescu: our very own ito calculus expert.

22:02:57 davout: mircea_popescu: at least he's reliable

22:03:01 mircea_popescu: in this.

22:03:11 pankkake: but you know there's a guy with huge green trust that still has posts saying pirate isn't a ponzi

22:03:34 Apocalyptic: pankkake, shocking !

22:03:51 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/mKui8iHr

22:03:51 assbot: Sep 05 00:10:53 *copumpkin throws usagi an ito integral Sep 05 00:12:22 <mirce - Pastebin.com

22:03:52 Apocalyptic: the forum is a cesspool

22:03:54 pankkake: pretty much all VIPs defaulted at some point

22:05:06 chetty: http://www.usmarshals.gov/assets/2014/bitcoins/

22:05:07 assbot: USMS Asset Forfeiture Sale

22:05:18 mircea_popescu: chetty logs :D

22:05:29 TheNewDeal: chetty https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z

22:05:29 assbot: Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip

22:05:42 pankkake: lol

22:05:57 TheNewDeal: I'm gonna try and promote that one for the next week or so

22:06:05 TheNewDeal: be forwarned

22:06:14 chetty: lmao take an hour off and I{m way behind around here

22:06:16 pankkake: "Cash. The bid must be an all cash offer. Bids that are contingent on financing terms of any kind will not be considered." eh

22:06:48 jborkl: davout : Usagi came up with the zero risk asset class - class a is owned by class b - class b is owned by class c and class c owns a and b so there is no risk

22:06:54 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal not bad

22:07:52 TheNewDeal: oh my gosh. 200k is forfeited to the USMS if you don't secure a bid

22:08:05 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: wow 2012 logs

22:08:10 mircea_popescu: fluffypony sure.

22:08:21 fluffypony: didn't realise he's been an ass-hat for *that* long

22:08:22 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, so much pretense in that usagi log extract

22:08:24 davout: mircea_popescu: haha nice paste

22:08:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02372075 = 0.2372 BTC [-]

22:08:30 TheNewDeal: nvm read that wrong

22:08:31 davout: pankkake: didn't find much

22:08:31 Apocalyptic: Seems like he dropped it by now

22:08:54 fluffypony: my favourite thing about those logs is how dub hasn't changed

22:09:38 davout: pankkake: he did start a "Donator money" thread but that's about it

22:09:43 fluffypony: Apocalyptic: he told me that *I don't even know* the stuff he's working on, and by trolling *I've messed up and am going to miss out big* on his super-sekrit stuff

22:10:43 davout: wasn't he that guy that wanted to start some sort of pottery-related business?

22:12:05 pankkake: if he's writting a web wallet as he claims, he will have a hard tard convincing he's not inputs.io 2.0

22:12:33 pankkake: anyway, the web wallets fails make me sad. I think offchain transactions have their uses

22:12:36 Apocalyptic: which he obviously is

22:12:41 fluffypony: when that comes up he says he's not writing a web wallet and "you don't even KNOW the stuff I'm writing that's so amazing it'll make the queen's testicles fall off"

22:12:41 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

22:14:09 dub: davout: eskimobob

22:15:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06992995 = 0.2797 BTC [-] {4}

22:15:49 davout: dub: oic

22:15:59 dub: he IPO'd a pottery kiln

22:16:16 fluffypony: lol

22:16:35 kakobrekla: in ltc.

22:16:39 davout: fluffypony: was looking at usagi's last posts, laughed at the "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" pic, then i looked at who posted it :D

22:17:00 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic that's how 2012 was all around. that's how people like hearn and maxwell ended up with the notion they're useful or whatever.

22:17:03 fluffypony: davout: sometimes I'm inspired to troll :-P

22:17:16 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> my favourite thing about those logs is how dub hasn't changed << yup he still delivers.

22:17:30 davout: hory shet, last trade at 411 EUR on BC

22:17:47 pankkake: why can't you manipulate the price davout :(

22:17:52 pankkake: or at least tell me in advance

22:17:55 pankkake: scam!

22:18:08 mircea_popescu: lol

22:18:12 kakobrekla: ask me

22:18:13 davout: pankkake: go introduce yourself in the losers thread i guess

22:18:13 TheNewDeal: ;;ticker

22:18:13 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 558.02, Best ask: 560.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.98000, Last trade: 555.55, 24 hour volume: 16603.12684761, 24 hour low: 555.55, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 602.737963932

22:18:17 davout: XD

22:18:18 TheNewDeal: oooo loving it

22:18:19 kakobrekla: i unloaded some at 480

22:18:28 kakobrekla: need to buy a new fridge.

22:18:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.249 = 1.743 BTC [-] {2}

22:20:17 mike_c: who wants to buy a spy house?

22:20:20 mike_c: http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2013/041213.htm

22:20:21 assbot: U.S. Marshals Selling Russian Spy House in New Jersey

22:21:12 mthreat: i'm not sure which is funner to look at, bitpremier or US Marshals

22:21:22 mircea_popescu: lol

22:22:35 mircea_popescu: The house is listed for sale at $444,900 through Fast Track Real Estate Co. of Waldwick, N.J. Built in 1950, the 1,830 square-foot house has four bedrooms, one and a half bathrooms, a recently-updated kitchen, a garage and an unfinished basement.

22:22:54 mircea_popescu: ill be damned if i pay half a million paperthings for something with "one and a half" bathrooms

22:23:20 mike_c: no no, you just pay $10k and live a life of indentured servitude to the bank.

22:23:41 Azelphur: I'm just imagining a bathroom with a half-cylinder toilet and 50% of a shower

22:24:01 mike_c: is this not a thing outside US? half-bath means no shower.

22:24:03 mircea_popescu: mike_c 4 bedrooms, that's what, between 6 and 12 people ?

22:24:18 mircea_popescu: mike_c all us baths are half baths to begin with

22:24:19 mircea_popescu: no bidet

22:24:27 mike_c: hehe

22:24:34 Azelphur: mike_c: never heard that in UK, also we generally have no bathrooms without a shower, usually it's the bath that gets dropped

22:25:02 mike_c: 4 bedrooms to me means: master bdrm (2 people), two kids room (2 people), and an office.

22:25:45 mircea_popescu: so it's 4 rooms basically.

22:26:03 mike_c: well, four walled off rooms with doors.

22:26:25 mike_c: then living room/dining room/kitchen/laundry room, etc.

22:26:40 mike_c: plus a basement! it's a steal.

22:26:46 mircea_popescu: i dun see it.

22:26:47 Apocalyptic: unfinished

22:27:11 mike_c: montclair is ritzy. pricey town.

22:28:31 mircea_popescu: what's so ritzy about it ? seems a dorm town like any other

22:28:43 mircea_popescu: does it have some world class cabaret i never heard of or something ?

22:29:18 mike_c: it's got old money. enormous mansions.

22:29:30 mircea_popescu: yes but what's that do for me ?

22:29:43 mike_c: you get to mow their lawns for money.

22:29:56 mike_c: plus the schools are good (comparatively), etc.

22:30:15 mircea_popescu: so basically this is a parent scam thing.

22:30:19 mike_c: yes

22:30:48 mike_c: parents and russian spies

22:30:51 mircea_popescu: "come live in this shitty house that's overpriced instead of underpriced as it should be, because you pay less-than-class for out-of-class items, always. just so you can imagine your kids get better education"

22:31:22 mircea_popescu: if people used the noggin, a 10k house in a neighbourhood with 30k average houses would sell for 9 not for 11

22:31:31 mircea_popescu: it can be 11 when it's in the 3k average neighbourhood

22:31:36 mircea_popescu: (and is, for that matter)

22:32:48 mike_c: here 10k house in 30k neighborhood sells for 25

22:33:00 mike_c: and 10k house in 3k neighborhood sells for 5

22:33:02 davout: mike_c: "you get to mow their lawns for money." <<< or feincoin

22:33:13 dub: here 10k hours in 30k hood sells for 90k

22:33:31 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> and 10k house in 3k neighborhood sells for 5 < no it doesn't

22:33:45 mircea_popescu: all the best-in-class mansions are overpriced for being best-in-class

22:34:49 mircea_popescu: you think the guy with the "largest house in north hollywood" is taking a discount because it's so big ?

22:34:56 mircea_popescu: he expects (and gets) a premium

22:36:28 []bot: Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.06199681 BTC. Current weight: 17,391.

22:37:03 pankkake: gay

22:37:23 fluffypony: lame

22:37:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC

22:41:23 TheNewDeal: sketchy bet made it past the mods http://bitbet.us/bet/901/fifa-world-cup-2014-goal-in-under-10/#c3060

22:41:23 assbot: BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.09 B (68%) on Yes, 0.04 B (32%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 5 days | weight: 96`193 (100`000 to 1)

22:44:53 TheNewDeal: oh my price is just jumping around, so fun

22:46:18 pankkake: 0031 penguirker> .131 BTC @ 406.00 EUR ▼ 24H LOW

22:46:18 pankkake: 0045 penguirker> .120 BTC @ 445.00 EUR ▲

22:46:25 pankkake: lol bitcoin-central liquidity

22:46:41 pankkake: 0046 penguirker> .200 BTC @ 415.00 EUR ▼

22:47:20 kakobrekla: bitcoin central is not scammy enough, no vol.

22:48:39 mike_c: nobody made that ISIL takes baghdad bet huh. looking interesting.

22:49:31 fluffypony: pankkake: you're supposed to follow that up with "b-c is bankrupt! forum mod is scammerz!"

22:49:52 pankkake: but forum mod is scammer

22:50:44 *: jurov sold for 494 this time xD

22:52:39 benkay: ;;ticker

22:52:40 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.5, Best ask: 575.61, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 575.61, 24 hour volume: 21827.38410632, 24 hour low: 550.61, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 595.568343633

22:53:04 davout: pankkake: 15 EUR spread, looks legit

22:53:32 davout: the advantage is that everybody knows bc is definitely not faking volume :D

22:54:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5879 @ 0.00082574 = 4.8545 BTC [+]

22:56:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-deploying-cloud-mining-next-week-imperial-card-needs-additional-revisions/

22:57:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.02341 = 0.4916 BTC [+]

22:57:21 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

22:57:23 gribble: Current Blocks: 305489 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 942 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 13 hours, 46 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12463166408.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.01039

22:59:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0023302 = 0.233 BTC [-]

23:00:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 63 @ 0.0231492 = 1.4584 BTC [-] {4}

23:01:03 TheNewDeal: LO

23:01:05 TheNewDeal: :O

23:02:46 TheNewDeal: using $615 predrop and $580 current price, the US Marshalls has lost approximately $1 Million USD since their announcement a few hours ago.

23:03:21 benkay: nobody ever accused a bureaucrat of understanding the implications of their actions except maybe mircea_popescu

23:03:41 benkay: ;;google regulator disproportionate

23:03:42 gribble: USFDA penalties on Indian pharma cos disproportionate, Anand ...: http://www.firstbiz.com/corporate/usfda-penalties-indian-pharma-cos-disproportionate-anand-sharma-complains-75841.html; Issues In Regulating the Price Level - Regulation Body of Knowledge: http://regulationbodyofknowledge.org/price-level-regulation/issues-in-regulating-the-price-level/; India says US FDA imposed (1 more message)

23:03:46 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal wasn't it more like 650 ?

23:03:46 benkay: ;;google regulator disproportionate fraudsters

23:03:47 gribble: World Energy Trilemma - World Energy Council: http://www.worldenergy.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/2013-Time-to-get-real-the-agenda-for-change.pdf; Notification of close period, value programme and household ...: http://sse.com/newsandviews/allarticles/2014/03/notification-of-close-period,-value-programme-and-household-energy-prices-in-great-britain/; Full-year results statement - (1 more message)

23:03:56 benkay: eh

23:04:23 BingoBoingo: http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/its-time-publicly-execute-ronald-mcdonald-239

23:04:23 assbot: Its Time To Publicly Execute Ronald McDonald · Clickhole

23:04:51 mike_c: don't tweet that link, you'll get banned

23:06:24 pankkake: I was one of the few kids that never went to mcdonalds

23:06:47 pankkake: and since I wasn't brainwashed early, I can't make it past the smell

23:07:22 pankkake: I'm not sure it's smell. it's like greasy air

23:07:40 pankkake: you can sense humidity, and you can sense greasidity

23:08:52 fluffypony: lol

23:08:54 fluffypony: greasidity

23:09:43 mircea_popescu: pankkake> I'm not sure it's smell. it's like greasy air << it's the smell. boiled hooves.

23:11:38 pankkake: I used to walk past a mcdo every day. it was like 100 meters away, but it was down to the road I was on - it fucking stinked

23:12:06 pankkake: working there = worst than a nuclear plant

23:13:27 BingoBoingo: At least the nuclear plant acknowledges they handle hazardous substances.

23:13:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88687 @ 0.00081908 = 72.6417 BTC [-] {4}

23:13:34 pankkake: exactly

23:13:52 kakobrekla: eh, bigmac is only mildly radioactive.

23:15:41 kakobrekla: you dont even have to clean your teeth with http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/510doramad.png afterwards

23:16:28 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

23:16:29 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 555.35, Best ask: 556.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.97000, Last trade: 555.0, 24 hour volume: 23591.28559995, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 593.12308676

23:16:33 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 10 / 600

23:16:33 gribble: 0.0166666666667

23:23:19 fluffypony: http://pastebin.com/ufNLW7xZ

23:23:19 assbot: My risk assessment of Bitstamp - Pastebin.com

23:26:40 kakobrekla: takes them a long time to do 1+1

23:27:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.070706 = 0.9192 BTC [+]

23:29:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c http://fraudsters.com/2014/introducing-the-d-series/ there it is

23:29:51 assbot: Introducing the D. series pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:29:54 mircea_popescu: now what was yur prediction ?

23:30:25 benkay: someone tweet at these jackholes for me: https://twitter.com/discourse

23:30:26 assbot: Discourse (discourse) auf Twitter

23:30:41 benkay: "hijacking in browser page search is a crime punisheable by FUUUUUUU"

23:31:15 mike_c: oh geez

23:31:19 TheNewDeal: found a good line in that "risk assessment"

23:31:21 TheNewDeal: I've not talked about Bitfinex since this isn't a sales pitch for them. I've not talked about how they offer leveraged margin trade as well as normal exchange. Nor have I talked about the p2p lending platform where people who don't want to trade can earn swap interest on USD or BTC balance. I've also not mentioned the 5 order types they have: limit

23:31:21 TheNewDeal: , market, stop, trailing stop, fill or kill; nor about the OCO orders or hidden orders. Bitfinex is truly way ahead of the curve.

23:31:24 mike_c: i was way off. even with my backup guess

23:32:01 davout: TheNewDeal: yeah, that was amazing

23:32:01 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

23:32:17 davout: fluffypony: fun fact, it's also run by a french dude

23:32:31 mike_c: my guess was that mpex picked up a new strategic investor.

23:32:40 mircea_popescu: what, unnanounced ?!

23:32:49 mike_c: well, unannounced yet!

23:32:51 mircea_popescu: not happening, that sort of thing. they come and line up when i say

23:32:55 mircea_popescu: not the fucking other way around.

23:33:05 mircea_popescu: gotta maintain marketplace discipline, as well as all know our own place in this world.

23:33:52 mircea_popescu: fluffypony he's also not mentioning the part where bitfinex is a scam ran by the marginally retarded on stolen code.

23:34:17 mircea_popescu: uh i mean TheNewDeal

23:34:34 TheNewDeal: hahaha

23:34:56 mircea_popescu: "24/04/2014 Since so many people are asking privately about my opinion of BTC/USD price direction so I thought I would write something for everyone."

23:35:20 mircea_popescu: leaving aside the part where his "opinions" turn out to be wrong, "hits: 533"

23:35:31 mircea_popescu: ya dude, totally so many people. it's like a downpour of people.

23:35:56 mircea_popescu: good thing he hosted it on pastebin with like the minimal features and all, i know of no server setups even dedicated that could have served 533 people since april.

23:36:11 mike_c: well, 1 btc ain't what it used to be anyway :)

23:36:14 mike_c: https://blockchain.info/tx/e6a777345ccb5e65ca496a1ef123710f5f17f21d695563be47d1846635cf20d3

23:36:14 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction e6a777345ccb5e65ca496a1ef123710f5f17f21d695563be47d1846635cf20d3

23:36:44 mike_c: hopefully that's the right address and not some haxor

23:37:51 mircea_popescu: o shit i totally forgot about the bet

23:38:33 mircea_popescu: you were nuts giving me even odds on a prop like that btw. i mean srsly, am i known for predictability or what,.

23:38:42 kakobrekla: lol mike_c , ty!

23:38:46 mike_c: it was for charity

23:38:59 mircea_popescu: a that, yeah.

23:39:11 mircea_popescu: i think we're seriously the most charitable people in bitcoin :D

23:39:16 mircea_popescu: also first and biggest.

23:40:34 mircea_popescu: txn 43

23:40:38 mircea_popescu: there goes...

23:44:12 mircea_popescu: mike_c when you say backup guess, do you mean you had two human language strings hash to the same md5 ?

23:44:35 mike_c: no, just i had another thought about what it might be that wasn't in the hash (or the bet)

23:44:45 mircea_popescu: aok

23:44:48 BingoBoingo: It's not unimaginable... For that md4 would have made more sense though

23:44:54 mircea_popescu: secret ?

23:45:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00082574 = 33.0296 BTC [+]

23:45:15 mike_c: not secret, but haven't i been wrong enough today? :)

23:45:37 mircea_popescu: hehe k

23:45:40 *: mike_c wriggles off hook

23:46:01 mircea_popescu: im curious as a cat what can you ask of me.

23:46:25 mike_c: now i'm thinking about how to combine x.eur and d.bpay..

23:46:42 mike_c: but i guess they are both short BTC

23:47:28 mircea_popescu: so buy one sell the other logically

23:47:50 mike_c: can't sell either

23:47:59 mike_c: i can't create either one

23:48:29 mircea_popescu: bitch @davout, iirc he had some method

23:48:43 davout: not for dirty muricans

23:48:48 mircea_popescu: or borrow from someone who holds either

23:49:16 mike_c: after all the nice things i said about frenchies today.

23:49:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/introducing-the-d-series/

23:49:28 davout: mike_c: :3

23:49:55 davout: that was the first thought i had when reading the d.bpay example

23:50:25 davout: buying it would be at the same time betting on bitpay's success and against btc appreciation

23:50:31 mircea_popescu: ;;seen bugpowder

23:50:32 gribble: bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <Bugpowder> Whee... http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto

23:51:05 mircea_popescu: davout the people who invested in bitpay took the same bet really.

23:51:09 mircea_popescu: instead of buying btc for their 30mn.

23:51:25 mircea_popescu: leaving aside the fact that they very well can't buy even 10mn worth of btc.

23:51:46 davout: how did people bet against btc by investing in bitpay?

23:51:48 mike_c: well they can now.

23:51:59 mike_c: ;;calc 30000 * [ticker --last]

23:52:00 gribble: 17237400

23:52:02 mircea_popescu: davout the same way you would by investing in bitpay.

23:52:04 davout: i'm either understanding this wrong, or parsing it wrong

23:52:37 davout: hopefully if i do both i benefit from double negative

23:52:39 mike_c: like you just said.. it's a bet on bitpay and against btc appreciation.

23:53:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3321 @ 0.00082574 = 2.7423 BTC [+]

23:53:30 davout: you mean it's betting against btc because you pick a bitpay investment over a btc investment?

23:53:57 mike_c: right.

23:53:58 mircea_popescu: davout yes, because they're fuckwitted leeches and instead of helping grow btc they just try to leech it for fiat profit.

23:54:10 mircea_popescu: much like mtgox in its heyday.

23:54:35 nubbins`: ^

23:54:45 davout: i was understanding this a bit differently

23:54:49 kakobrekla: stamp is doing same.

23:54:57 mircea_popescu: sure.

23:55:24 mircea_popescu: davout i know. that's kinda how the mpex synthetics ruin the life of these people : they make understanding what's going on so much easier.

23:55:34 davout: the way i was understanding it was "investing in potato crops is betting against btc appreciation" or at least depreciation of btc relative to potato crops

23:56:03 mircea_popescu: right

23:56:36 mircea_popescu: mike_c also, this is a dilemma crafted for your shoesize. so, reits are bad right ? how about seits ? where s stands for ... shit i guess.

23:56:37 davout: right as in "you got it" or right as in "oh god, where do we start?"

23:56:42 mircea_popescu: "not even real" estate.

23:56:58 mircea_popescu: davout right as in what you say is true but it doesn't have much to do with the previous

23:57:04 mike_c: i will be interested to see how low you have to sell it to get buyers

23:57:26 mircea_popescu: i'm not incentivised to sell it too low, i don't need the liquidity.

23:57:36 mircea_popescu: it's sufficient for my strategic needs for it to be under par.

23:57:54 davout: for all you know they might be keeping fees in btc, no?

23:58:04 mircea_popescu: davout sure. so ?

23:58:39 davout: that'd imply a correlation between their value and the btc fiat rate

23:58:49 mircea_popescu: only to the most naive of perspectives.

23:59:12 mircea_popescu: obviously they're not cash-positive if they need 30mn now on top of the 10mn before and the 2.8mn before that or w/e it was.

23:59:12 mike_c: if they were profitable enough they wouldn't have taken investment..

23:59:16 mike_c: damnit

23:59:19 mircea_popescu: they're just neobee in slow motion basically.

23:59:25 mircea_popescu: lol

23:59:34 mircea_popescu: mike_c and notice that my lines are so very much longer too :D

23:59:41 mike_c: i was doing something else

23:59:47 mircea_popescu: so was i

23:59:49 mircea_popescu: and she just came