Transcript for 12-06-2015, 1250 lines:
00:14:32 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 23:11:47; *: mircea_popescu recalls some schmuck used a "supersecret" klingon poem or somesuch
00:14:32 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 17:01:22; ascii_field: tests mental nimbleness, originality, memory, everything which makes someone worthy contender
00:17:41 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161557 << if you're doing safety-critical crypto on a pNohe, you've already lost
00:17:41 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 22:52:09; jurov: wonder why no one is using phone camera as source of randomness. you can't recreate the shot no matter how you try
00:20:34 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161565 << this is probably when i confess that i remember things without doing any of that
00:20:34 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 22:55:03; BingoBoingo: Seriously though what was that question yesterday about memory palace standing. A quality memory palace's geometry should be so readily describable.
00:20:38 asciilifeform: so it's possible!
00:20:59 asciilifeform: but good method for stretching your limits, wherever they happen to be
00:21:12 asciilifeform: (read about famous 'mnemonists.' they all used some variation on this algo.)
00:21:51 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But what about for things you would rather not be able to remember under duress?
00:21:59 asciilifeform: but, as ought to be clear, if your 'memory palace' is not a palace but a kolhoz full of 1,001 schmucks, don't brainwallet...
00:22:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cyanide
00:22:31 BingoBoingo: Nah, cyanide means that if you make it through you can't see them burn
00:22:32 asciilifeform: (or the precious last bullet (tm) )
00:23:52 asciilifeform: 'the precious last bullet, it's not my invention; the ancestors teach us, with centuries of war...' (from ru song re: afghan. translation mine.)
00:30:39 BingoBoingo: I mean, what's the point of smoking cigarettes if not to transform into an unstopable ragemonster when derprived of nicotine and the beautiful monoamine oxidase inhibitors in tobacco?
01:07:37 mike_c: this eulorum wiki is slow as shit. who the hell is running this thing.
01:21:11 mike_c: Dozens upon dozens of cartographers died to make it..
01:21:34 mircea_popescu: mike_c ahaha
01:21:36 mircea_popescu: wait.
01:21:41 mircea_popescu: didn't YOU host it ?
01:21:45 mike_c: yes
01:21:52 mircea_popescu: lmao
01:21:53 mircea_popescu: got me.
01:22:13 ben_vulpes: so help me out here
01:22:54 ben_vulpes: clean title, correct vintage, but automatic VS rebuilt title, not really the perfect vintage, and manual
01:23:44 mircea_popescu: you buying a car ?
01:23:57 ben_vulpes: more like a fashion accessory
01:24:17 ben_vulpes: but maybe
01:26:01 mircea_popescu: "President Barack Obama?s plan to send an additional 450 to 500 soldiers"
01:26:03 mircea_popescu: bwahahahaa
01:26:12 mircea_popescu: what is this, a bar mitzvah ?
01:27:29 ben_vulpes: no they're /thooper/ tholdierth
01:27:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.197718 = 2.9658 BTC [-]
01:28:11 mircea_popescu: from the country of africa ?
01:28:48 mircea_popescu: funny how the libertards were all over nucular but don't seem to hardly notice at all their special needs law professor has no fucking idea which side the sun comes out.
01:30:30 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Clean title and vintage
01:30:52 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: suggesting i hold out, then?
01:30:57 ben_vulpes: ah nm
01:30:58 BingoBoingo: Just have to swap in a tranny of correct vintage
01:31:00 ben_vulpes: but what about the tranny?
01:31:41 BingoBoingo: But... That might cost more than the car's $6000 unless you wait for one to miracle onto criagslist
01:32:28 mircea_popescu: actually automatic's probably in much better condition
01:32:35 mircea_popescu: seeing how no hothead wouldever buy it
01:32:37 BingoBoingo: ^
01:33:25 ben_vulpes: such wisdom
01:33:28 BingoBoingo: Also sporty car with a sporty automatic tranny isn't bad.
01:33:51 BingoBoingo: Especially if you ever encounter the dreaded gauntlet of red lights in it
01:34:15 ben_vulpes: i have all the light sequences in this town timed by memory
01:34:16 BingoBoingo: Also less wear items in the auto tranny
01:34:36 BingoBoingo: All it takes is one intern to fuck up you lights and they will never go back
01:35:13 BingoBoingo: <assbot> [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.0052001 = 0.0416 BTC [-] << Incredilol
01:38:56 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is into vintage cars ?!
01:40:03 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the linked ones seem too cheap to be true
01:40:11 asciilifeform: betcha the inside is rusted solid
01:40:25 ben_vulpes: pessimist
01:40:40 asciilifeform: 'don't buy a car which costs less than your computer' (tm)
01:40:44 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: the linked ones seem too cheap to be true << Not really probably just accumulated defered maintenance to take it up to market value is much
01:41:02 ben_vulpes: it's not really a rare model, guise
01:41:06 BingoBoingo: The 60's one prolly still has nylon belted tyres
01:41:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was "Don't buy a computer that costs less than your woman"
01:41:21 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these remind me of an ancient car i've always wanted to drive, 'ford probe'
01:41:34 asciilifeform: only ever seen one.
01:41:53 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How much do you want to drive one. There's a few around this region.
01:42:03 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not enough
01:42:14 *: BingoBoingo holds as rare dreamcar pontiac fiero
01:42:47 asciilifeform: odd, 'google images' does not find the bizarre digital led (1980s!) dashboard the specimen he was shown as a boy had
01:43:18 asciilifeform: http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/156563/original/p1010008.jpg << ahahaha there it is.
01:43:38 asciilifeform: it's like driving a 'pc xt' !
01:43:40 asciilifeform: with cga.
01:43:42 BingoBoingo: lol
01:44:10 asciilifeform: (similar)
01:44:44 BingoBoingo: Every uncool yet drivable used car tends to find its way to the Middle West for Hospice care
01:46:31 *: BingoBoingo remembers his first car, The Grand Am of Justice which in his last year of ownership he discovered was Hurricane Katrina salvage
01:47:05 trinque: heh I almost got a ford probe as my first car
01:47:09 asciilifeform: aaaand...
01:47:11 asciilifeform: in other news,
01:47:29 trinque: https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1435/5149860522_aa3e8b03f2_o.jpg << got that guy instead
01:47:38 *: asciilifeform gotta do something about schmucks hitting 'retest key' and 'unphuctoring' (temporarily)
01:47:57 trinque: asciilifeform: is that a second pirate party key?
01:48:06 asciilifeform: appears to be
01:48:11 trinque: fascinating.
01:48:14 *: BingoBoingo though the Matt guy was showing up quite a bit
01:48:15 asciilifeform: there is a great many of them in 'magic 98' list
01:49:00 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Probe#Remaining_registered_1993.E2.80.931997_Probes_on_the_road_as_of_July_2011 << Oh, there's prolly more Probes left than Pogos
01:49:46 *: asciilifeform wouldn't actually want to putter around in this museum piece daily
01:50:05 *: asciilifeform is not currently equipped for serious engine work
01:51:10 BingoBoingo: Museum pieces make the best daily drivers, and Probe was engineered by 80's Japs so prolly durable
01:52:19 *: BingoBoingo says as the guy who stops his Saturn at gas stations to make sure the plastic is still attached
01:56:10 trinque: I've taken to calling my check-engine light the "Is it a Volkswagen?" light
02:03:12 BingoBoingo: trinque: I actually have very few problems with that
02:06:05 BingoBoingo: I actually have far more problems with the exterior of the car not wanting to stay together than anything mechanically wrong
02:07:50 trinque: car's just complaining; it runs fine
02:08:05 trinque: has something to do with emissions I think
02:08:14 BingoBoingo: Yeah
02:08:37 BingoBoingo: Thank the one who cuckolds clitler for that
02:27:45 trinque: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c114:1:./temp/~c114oLaeR2:e873358: << heh DoD heard me rambling about the weapons being "turned inward"
02:27:56 trinque: IN GENERAL- The Secretary of Defense shall complete an evaluation of the cyber vulnerabilities of each major weapon system of the Department of Defense by not later than December 31, 2019.
02:28:50 trinque: and ftr I'm still not convinced they're all safe
02:29:08 asciilifeform: what's 'safe' ?
02:29:10 trinque: I'm sure the Iranians thought their centrifuges were totally disconnected from the internet and therefore safe too
02:29:29 trinque: asciilifeform: "can the nukes be haxed" thread
02:31:43 asciilifeform: trinque: recall maj. harold l. hering ?
02:32:16 asciilifeform: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_spectator/2011/02/an_unsung_hero_of_the_nuclear_age.html << as described here.
02:32:26 trinque: no, reading
02:32:47 trinque: thought it might've been some of the more recently let-go members of the nuke command
02:32:51 trinque: *one
02:32:57 asciilifeform: nah
02:32:58 asciilifeform: long ago.
02:33:25 asciilifeform: was sacked from u.s. air force for asking 'how can i know whether order to launch is coming from a sane man'
02:33:44 trinque: "had become a long-haul trucker" << brutal
02:36:56 trinque: does not surprise me that people were worried about orders from nixon, lol!
02:41:20 danielpbarron: !up julmac
02:41:48 trinque: asciilifeform: right so this whole "launch codes" thing is communication to the... lol... "missileer"
02:42:17 trinque: was talking with ben_vulpes yesterday about how this is likely a matter of vulnerability to attacks against the communications of mil, not necessarily the hardware
04:10:26 copumpkin: in popescuity!
04:10:28 copumpkin: oh, he's gone
04:10:59 copumpkin: !down
04:11:02 copumpkin: !down copumpkin
05:06:51 asciilifeform: aaand...
05:07:30 asciilifeform: ^ non-'magic' !
06:34:03 trinque: ben_vulpes: no joke, I echo into sys to change my brightness
07:01:48 punkman: asciilifeform: ^ non-'magic' ! << oh did we run out of cosmic rays?
07:26:30 cazalla: hanbot, published, ty
07:27:50 scoopbot_revived: FBI Counterterrorism AD Michael Steinbach: "Prevent encryption above all else" http://qntra.net/2015/06/fbi-counterterrorism-ad-michael-steinbach-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/
13:11:12 cazalla: shinohai, he's 100 today and that heart shit is bullshit according to snopes
13:11:33 shinohai: I know, it is still funny.
13:11:59 shinohai: He's just naturally not going to release his grasp upon the empire
14:05:35 mircea_popescu: an exercise in spurious stupidity ?
14:06:05 punkman: oh wrong link, meant to post this http://www.eureporter.co/frontpage/2015/06/10/european-parliament-ttip-vote-cancelled-because-of-huge-public-pressure-say-green-meps/
14:07:06 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161721 <-- more like it saved his career, imho
14:07:06 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 02:32:16; asciilifeform: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_spectator/2011/02/an_unsung_hero_of_the_nuclear_age.html << as described here.
14:08:21 funkenstein_: and from that article a major explosion of oxymoron detector: "Israeli military ethicist"
14:08:49 mircea_popescu: what, by being israeli one's automatically unethical ? or above ethics ?
14:09:41 funkenstein_: israeli military
14:10:21 funkenstein_: heck military ethicist is bad enough
14:11:28 mircea_popescu: i don't see it.
14:11:58 *: funkenstein_ seeks for sexual analogy
14:13:43 mircea_popescu: you're not going to start with "life's the greatest good in and of itself" and "we're all equal so consequently no-one's life is worth less than the shine on your shoes" are you ?
14:13:43 funkenstein_: How about most experiences prostitutes monogamy discussion group
14:14:10 mircea_popescu: how about what ?
14:14:48 funkenstein_: How about top quadraplegic jugglers?
14:15:09 mircea_popescu: you know, neither of these map on the original at all, and amusingly enough neither of these carries what you want it to, either.
14:15:36 mircea_popescu: how about "most unwinged featherless flat nailed bipedals flight club"
14:15:42 funkenstein_: How about, bitcoin-assets windows ssl expert?
14:15:53 mircea_popescu: if people were meant to fly they'd have had wings and if quadriplegics were meant to juggle they'd have had arms.
14:16:02 mircea_popescu: im pretty sure we have one
14:17:02 mircea_popescu: what exactly is your ethical objection to killing people, anyway ?
14:17:03 funkenstein_: none do as good as the original, lol still cracks me up
14:17:29 funkenstein_: none
14:17:34 funkenstein_: depends on the context
14:17:41 mircea_popescu: so then....
14:17:53 mircea_popescu: guy's job would be to context.
14:18:06 funkenstein_: but the organization in question is regarded as expert in driving ethics out of young recruits minds
14:18:13 mircea_popescu: whose ethics ?
14:18:16 funkenstein_: any
14:18:19 mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "ethics".
14:18:20 funkenstein_: follow orders, don't think
14:18:22 mircea_popescu: regarded by whom ?
14:18:47 mircea_popescu: and moreover, since when is the young recruit a standard of measure ?
14:18:57 funkenstein_: actualy i agree with you on that no such thing as ethics.. but that's a longer discussion
14:19:09 funkenstein_: regarded by themselves, for example
14:19:14 mircea_popescu: next you're going to judge the fief by the state of the peasantry.
14:19:17 mircea_popescu: wtf is this, socialism ?
14:20:11 mircea_popescu: if the young recruits weren't imbeciles, one probably wouldn't have to drive the broken fragments of a dysfunctionally-superficial pseudo-ethics out of their dumb skulls.
14:20:25 funkenstein_: it made me lol because, hey, pick a side
14:20:27 mircea_popescu: but as it is, it impedes function.
14:20:45 mircea_popescu: and their bid is to redeem their human worthlesness through functionality
14:21:01 mircea_popescu: the point of every beta male since we were not yet descended.
14:21:34 funkenstein_: if you want merciless military, then go for it. but don't say "oh and here's our feelings discussion group"
14:21:52 mircea_popescu: that may well be what you're reading into it, rather than what they're saying.
14:22:13 mircea_popescu: lemme point out that the "feelings" idiots have no monopoly on ethics.
14:22:19 mircea_popescu: in fact, they have absolutely no connection to ethics.
14:22:31 mircea_popescu: if physics is mentioned do you automatically think of aluminum siding salesmen ?
14:23:25 funkenstein_: so Ethiks.. from the greek?
14:23:50 mircea_popescu: i imagine in this case from the hebrew.
14:25:05 mircea_popescu: moreover, killing and mercilessness aren't in the automatic relationship here proposed. there is such a thing as mercy killing.
14:25:17 asciilifeform: there is also merciless sparing
14:25:32 mircea_popescu: so there is.
14:25:34 mircea_popescu: "VelocityViewServlet : Error processing a template for path '/vrender'
14:25:34 mircea_popescu: Invocation of method 'getSubjectsByDOI' in class npg.ncode.velocity.toolbox.OntologyTool threw exception java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded at /view/macros/global.macros.vm[line 1082, column 68]
14:25:34 mircea_popescu: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded"
14:25:44 mircea_popescu: aww, java lang outta memory ? I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS B4
14:25:54 asciilifeform: l0ltr0n1c! what was mircea_popescu running ?
14:26:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly enough, mats link
14:26:09 mircea_popescu: b-a slashdotted nature.com
14:26:10 mats: oh nature
14:26:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform VELOCITYVIEW mind you!!1
14:26:39 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161800 << how does that work ?
14:26:39 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 14:20:45; mircea_popescu: and their bid is to redeem their human worthlesness through functionality
14:27:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly what the slavegirl says : i am nothing, use me for something so in that i may become someone.
14:27:30 asciilifeform: this sorta describes the condition one tries to beat soldiers into
14:27:44 mircea_popescu: mno. this describes the condition of the vast majority of males.
14:27:49 mircea_popescu: the beating is so they stop lying about it.
14:27:58 mircea_popescu: chiefly, to themselves.
14:28:26 mircea_popescu: that's what beating does, confronts the beta with the incontrovertible "if what i pretend were true and what i know to be true were not, how come i am then beaten ???"
14:28:33 mircea_popescu: "i should be doing the beating"
14:29:44 mircea_popescu: before it comes to actual beatings, plenty of excuses to be had from all quarters
14:30:03 mircea_popescu: usually in the form "my real self hasn't emerged yet, but once it does... it took karate!11 it'll show you!11"
14:31:13 mircea_popescu: POSSIBLE CLASSIFICATION IS TOP SECRET FROM: the SIDtoday Editor
14:31:13 funkenstein_: just because one has been beaten does not mean one is "someone"
14:31:14 mircea_popescu: orly ?!
14:31:52 mircea_popescu: "You'll see people in shorts, tee-shirts, flip-flops, black clothes."
14:31:56 mircea_popescu: ok these are retards.
14:32:05 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ how did you read that in wha i said tho ?!
14:32:39 funkenstein_: i agree we all seek intelligent masters...
14:32:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you were to learn that they dress the programmers in evening coats instead, would not also say 'retards' ?
14:33:03 funkenstein_: but the one doing the beating is sadly often the less intelligent one
14:33:12 mircea_popescu: so what, you propose the presence of an ethics officer pleads against the jdf's intelligence ?
14:33:25 funkenstein_: idf please
14:33:36 funkenstein_: jdf wtf???
14:33:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes dude, whenever magic is discussed in terms of the robes and hats i will say retards.
14:33:41 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ aok
14:33:58 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ yes my whip is not the most intelligent part of the household. so what of it.
14:34:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understood, the robes were mentioned because 'see how unique is our directorate, we let the kidz dress in rags if they wish'
14:34:05 mircea_popescu: dja know how you train bulldogs ?
14:34:13 funkenstein_: hey, I'm here for a reason :)
14:34:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform always an excuse, sure. they only did it ironically, you say ? fine, fine.
14:34:49 nubbins`: so here's a lame article
14:34:57 mircea_popescu: ("ironically" is this internet meme where the actor pretends his actions are stupid but he knows it, he merely engages because of reasons. his job, his audience, tptb etc)
14:35:09 nubbins`: tldr, some crazy lady rented a house and was a bit crazy
14:35:21 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ you sit them in the door and you slam the door into them. they WILL chew down the door, but also learn better.
14:35:25 nubbins`: feel free to skim the first few paragraphs to get a feel for the content
14:35:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've no idea why they did it beyond the obvious fact that the type of public employed there traditionally dresses in rags
14:35:34 mircea_popescu: there's a reason those doing the beating are the dumbest of hte lot. this does not invalidate the beating.
14:35:37 nubbins`: then, for the adult version of the same story, check this one out: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/paxton-s-version-police-interview-transcript-1.1271885
14:35:47 nubbins`: asciilifeform get a chance to peek at that message?
14:35:54 mircea_popescu: nubbins` so why even link vice then ?
14:36:01 mircea_popescu: this hot topic of the internet.
14:36:01 asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes. we have those here. boring, sop.
14:36:46 nubbins`: mircea_popescu the vice thing popped up today and reminded me of the paxton caser
14:36:48 nubbins`: *case
14:36:55 nubbins`: very long transcript but filled with actual crazy.
14:36:56 mircea_popescu: a ok
14:37:19 nubbins`: the torture victim's name and picture were originally published but have since had a publication ban, so it's now "the victim" and the pics are all blurred.
14:37:21 nubbins`: really strange
14:38:00 nubbins`: there's conjecture that this is all related to outstanding investigations into hell's angels
14:38:21 mircea_popescu: nubbins` im not gonna read 69 pages of this thing and the article doesn't make it too clear , i could see either side. got some selected quotes ?
14:38:55 mircea_popescu: of course "investigation into hell's angels" is very much a case of police fighting a feud.
14:40:23 nubbins`: hard to find good examples, the crazy is spread out
14:40:30 nubbins`: it's a 233 page interview
14:40:36 mircea_popescu: not a great sign
14:41:06 asciilifeform: nubbins`: the photos in the vice article look exactly like the ones i described in old thread - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#996769
14:41:06 assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 04:13:16; asciilifeform: i saw the insides of a few, when peeking around to rent a house last year
14:41:40 mircea_popescu: nubbins` how would you explain the state of a roommate's palate ?
14:41:51 nubbins`: mircea_popescu depends on whether i tortured him or not?
14:41:56 mircea_popescu: suppose some ignorant twerps who think it's spelled palette asked you, about the cook dude
14:42:06 mircea_popescu: this is an established fact now ?
14:42:12 nubbins`: guy presented to ER weighing 80lbs down from 250, with his entire bottom lip missing
14:42:19 mircea_popescu: ok...
14:42:27 nubbins`: covered in welts and cuts, ears cauliflowered
14:42:30 nubbins`: brain damage
14:42:31 nubbins`: etc
14:42:32 mircea_popescu: and you believe this is an impossibility re your cook roommate ?
14:42:41 nubbins`: cook roomie is gone :D
14:42:44 mircea_popescu: or do you believe you're in any case responsible ?
14:42:48 mircea_popescu: heh. i see, good for you.
14:43:34 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i dare to suggest that the vice article is a work of fiction. and that the illustrations are of the author's own dwelling.
14:44:00 mircea_popescu: this is the standard interepretation whenever something appears in vice/slate/the rest of the shitsites.
14:44:16 mircea_popescu: the case being otherwise is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence
14:44:17 asciilifeform: this one has the stereotypical smell of just such a work.
14:44:29 mircea_popescu: on par with extraterrestrials opening a bronx pond shop
14:44:42 asciilifeform: the 'corners are rounded', so to speak.
14:45:06 mircea_popescu: aha.
14:45:40 nubbins`: asciilifeform half the kids i went to uni with had houses messier than that
14:45:55 nubbins`: "look at this ghastly photo of a couple things laid on an unmade bed"
14:46:06 nubbins`: ^ check last 2 photos in order
14:46:41 mircea_popescu: aha the det crippen guy knows his job
14:47:00 mircea_popescu: i am at this point judging by the implicit cues and my understanding/preconceived notions re a functional police force that they most likely got their man.
14:47:23 mircea_popescu: now whether you'd convict on thebasis of that mostlycomes down to whether you're republican or democrat.
14:49:02 nubbins`: googling "dustin paxton" brings pics of the victim, but i can't recommend you look at them
14:49:40 mircea_popescu: oh, we're squamish now /
14:49:45 nubbins`: fuck it then
14:49:48 nubbins`: click away :P
14:50:32 mircea_popescu: http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/01/20/dustin-paxton-the-torturer-and-calgarys-jessica-rogers-the-liar-now-a-couple-and-dr-phil-episode << lol they look just like ordinary internet ppls.
14:52:07 mircea_popescu: maybe they could take up the cause of feminism in gaming or something
14:54:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, this gave me a chuckle :
14:54:10 mircea_popescu: ?I'm glad that he was declared a dangerous offender, but that only takes one person off the street, and there are lots of Paxtons out there, so the laws have to be changed to keep the public safe,? she said.
14:54:10 mircea_popescu: ?They?re safe from Paxton, but they?re not safe from people like Paxton.?
14:54:35 mircea_popescu: strange case of inversion from
14:54:36 mircea_popescu: William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
14:54:36 mircea_popescu: Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
14:54:36 mircea_popescu: William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
14:54:36 mircea_popescu: Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safe
14:54:39 mircea_popescu: ty's sake!
14:54:43 nubbins`: last one
14:54:52 mircea_popescu: ie... and once the public's safe from all the paxtons, who's to keep isis out of the usis ?
14:57:19 mircea_popescu: is there a bdsm angle to all of this ?
14:57:37 mircea_popescu: bikers, (leather's missing), weird living arrangements ?
15:00:14 nubbins`: i've been reading about this case off and on for 4+ years and i still can't make any sense of it
15:00:33 nubbins`: dude did beat his roomie w/ dog leashes, extension cords, etc
15:00:56 nubbins`: is it still considered bdsm if only one party is into it? :D
15:01:07 mircea_popescu: by whom ?
15:02:28 mircea_popescu: by nature, yes. inasmuch as a party doesn't fight back, a welt's a welt and a smack's a smack you know ? whether you kloink your slave or your roomate over the head, whether they consented to it or not doesn't enter in the functions that return "isbraindamage" as aboolean.
15:04:17 nubbins`: i read once that the victim was actually brought around to various locations to be beaten by different people
15:04:55 mircea_popescu: i wonder why they're not chasing the bdsm angle.
15:05:01 mircea_popescu: you'd expect it from the press neh ?
15:05:27 mircea_popescu: is there some sort of canadian conspiraci ? are they afraid of that derpy canadian corp i bitchslapped thisspring ?
15:05:53 nubbins`: ehhh i think BDSM angle doesn't add any further drama
15:05:58 nubbins`: it's crazy enough as it is
15:06:43 mircea_popescu: itdoesn't add any further drama ? you have the quote above.
15:06:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161932
15:06:56 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 14:54:10; mircea_popescu: ?They?re safe from Paxton, but they?re not safe from people like Paxton.?
15:08:08 nubbins`: there was a push after this to add "torture" to the criminal code
15:08:25 nubbins`: as it stands, in canada, it's only torture if it's performed by a state
15:08:32 mircea_popescu: brennus and his part of ... booty :D
15:10:08 nubbins`: 250kg gold since january :0
15:10:22 nubbins`: what are they doing, repatriating it to the usa? :D
15:11:56 mircea_popescu: lol, the indian state is desperate because minority holder in the country. indians are nuts with the stuff.
15:12:05 shinohai: Someone may have literally shit gold bricks.
15:12:10 mircea_popescu: but yes, they are, "storing" it where the germans did.
15:19:36 scoopbot_revived: Franz Joseph I, Angela Merkel, and 4638 C4CA take their vows. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/12/franz-joseph-i-angela-merkel-and-4638-c4ca-take-their-vows/
15:22:02 kakobrekla: hehe, gossipd still not done till 2115.
15:22:30 thestringpuller: nubbins`: you get my pm?
15:22:52 mircea_popescu: i'd bet on that...
15:24:46 thestringpuller: so garzik proposes a soft-fork, and the shills act more retarded than ever stating, "No. We need to hard fork the network and up the cap."
15:26:31 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: lmao y'know that's a point i hadn't considered.
15:27:25 pete_dushenski: or mebbe 'gossipd' does exist in a century but the kids are calling it 'irc' for nostalgia's sake
15:27:44 pete_dushenski: and by 'the kids' i mean the lordship
15:28:55 pete_dushenski: in any event, promises to do this or that 'by the end of the century even though we won't have a country' is the 2nd lulziest shit all week
15:29:00 pete_dushenski: after david thorne, naturally
15:29:55 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161667 << true story, i had the mazda version of the same car
15:29:55 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 01:41:21; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these remind me of an ancient car i've always wanted to drive, 'ford probe'
15:30:17 pete_dushenski: ford and mazda co-developed the platform and each made their own body style atop it
15:30:26 pete_dushenski: many parts were shared to save costs
15:30:33 pete_dushenski: the digital dashboard included
15:30:57 pete_dushenski: my 1988 mazda mx-6 *had the digital dashboard*
15:32:18 pete_dushenski: http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8315/dsc000800224956.jpg << as seen here
15:33:25 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161628 << '82 all day. i loved the lines of that car as a kid.
15:33:25 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 01:22:27; ben_vulpes: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/5067940938.html vs http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/5050595367.html
15:33:37 pete_dushenski: mebbe a 5-6 year old
15:33:55 pete_dushenski: 9-10 year-old me wanted a jeep tj for some reason
15:34:29 pete_dushenski: then computers came along and i didn't give a shit about cars until 2nd year university
15:34:58 pete_dushenski: after taking public transport for an hour each way to class when it was only a 10-minute drive, i started caring about cars pretty quickly
15:37:54 nubbins`: thestringpuller yep, got it
15:38:37 nubbins`: is this something you actually plan on doing, or is this another instance of me wasting a bunch of time generating a quote for something that won't happen?
15:39:07 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: also, those vettes are a steal compared to the ones here http://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/strathcona-county/corvette-collectors-edition/1071669781 << "from washington state"
15:40:54 pete_dushenski: that's an extreme example, but even 'non-collectors' c3 vettes are still $15-20k here
15:43:32 thestringpuller: nubbins`: depends on the cost.
15:46:49 funkenstein_: those are some nice wheelchairs
15:58:19 pete_dushenski: "Snowden’s actions have also led to terrorist groups developing new encryption technology."
15:58:51 pete_dushenski: more like "Snowden’s actions have also led to terrorist groups to discard new encryption technology in favour of good ol' pgp. "
15:59:11 pete_dushenski: sorry, "new techmologee"
15:59:37 pete_dushenski: "In Britain, GCHQ’s ability to monitor crime gangs – including those involved in people trafficking and drugs – has been reduced by a quarter."
15:59:41 pete_dushenski: haha excellent.
16:07:39 danielpbarron: !up goregrind
16:08:10 jurov: !up AmbitionzAzARida
16:14:44 pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: replied http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/space-travel-isnt-for-you-there-are-no-virgins-there-either/#comment-20265
16:17:17 pete_dushenski: aaaand i'm off to meatlandia ! laters !
16:22:40 nubbins`: thestringpuller summers are busy so if this is a real project, yes, otherwise no
17:26:58 jurov: howdy! having 'roos outbreak in south africa?
17:27:54 fluffypony: lol
17:28:01 fluffypony: nah, that's for cazalla's benefit ;)
17:28:24 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
17:28:47 jurov: https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/608953783008243712 << leaving this here for danielpbarron
17:29:38 *: ascii_field listened, out of entomological interest, to a recording of interview with hearn. yes, him. among the expected idiocies, hearn confessed to an interest in 'remote attestation' and 'trusted computing' as 'promising' alternatives to normally functioning bitcoin...
17:29:38 trinque: jurov: I already see him in that thread
17:29:41 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128131 << see also.
17:29:41 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 18:32:09; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128111 << ancient drm wankatron where lusers are somehow coerced into 'proving' that they run virginal winblows which will obey usg dictat
17:32:22 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162009 << 3/4 short of goal.
17:32:22 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 15:59:37; pete_dushenski: "In Britain, GCHQ’s ability to monitor crime gangs – including those involved in people trafficking and drugs – has been reduced by a quarter."
17:37:49 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161973 << what even.
17:37:49 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 15:19:36; scoopbot_revived: Franz Joseph I, Angela Merkel, and 4638 C4CA take their vows. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/12/franz-joseph-i-angela-merkel-and-4638-c4ca-take-their-vows/
17:40:12 trinque: 2115? :(
17:40:40 trinque: gimme the 2040s at the latest
17:42:09 ascii_field: that wasn't even the lulziest thing
17:42:28 ascii_field: but the bureaucratic flavour of 'u.n. minutes'
17:42:40 ascii_field: i assume pete meant this as a spoof
17:42:55 jurov: http://digg.com/video/mad-scientist-builds-a-40-watt-laser-shotgun ascii_field you wanted laserguns?
17:43:16 jurov: ;;lasers
17:43:16 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
17:43:16 trinque: jurov: that thing looks damned fun; needs more lasers and MOAR POWER though
17:43:47 ascii_field: eh scam
17:43:52 ascii_field: diode array laser isn't additive !
17:43:58 trinque: oh :(
17:44:11 ascii_field: (there is a reason coherent beans are more interesting than 'archimedes'-style collimated white light)
17:44:30 ben_vulpes: client is using heroku
17:44:33 ben_vulpes: heroku does not persist state
17:44:38 ben_vulpes: users want to upload images
17:44:39 ben_vulpes: solution?
17:44:45 trinque: an hero-ku
17:44:46 ben_vulpes: IMAGES INTO POSTGRES BINARY FIELD WOOO
17:44:55 ben_vulpes: an hero-kun!
17:45:18 jurov: ascii_field: you surely wouldn't want to be on receiving side of it, coherent or not
17:45:59 ascii_field: jurov: i'd pick it over nagant
17:46:04 jurov: ben_vulpes: redirect them to imgur?
17:46:28 ben_vulpes: mnah
17:46:34 ben_vulpes: i prefer to abuse mother postgres
17:46:43 ben_vulpes: loosen her up with these big old binaries
17:47:10 trinque: it'll totally work
17:47:52 nubbins`: ascii_field i think he used a lens to focus the discrete beams
17:48:16 nubbins`: that said, i was pretty unimpressed with the amount of time it took to light paper on fire
17:48:26 ascii_field: nubbins`: do you understand what 'coherence' means re: laser light ?
17:48:29 nubbins`: i could do better with a lens on a sunny day
17:48:58 nubbins`: ascii_field in general
17:49:12 ascii_field: nubbins`: not same as collimation.
17:49:20 jurov: he had fixed focus
17:49:23 ascii_field: it means that wave is in phase.
17:49:28 ascii_field: nothing whatsoever to do with focus
17:49:45 ben_vulpes: trinque: it *did* totally work
17:50:23 nubbins`: sure
17:50:25 jurov: might be interesting to reuse old camera with autofocus
17:50:33 nubbins`: i still think he used a lens to focus the beams 8)
17:50:48 ascii_field: ^^^ mandatory
17:52:04 jurov: ascii_field: and is it really such a difference in practice?
17:52:24 jurov: energy gets trnasferred to target eithrt
17:52:28 jurov: *either
17:52:35 ascii_field: jurov: yes.
17:52:55 trinque: matter of constructive or destructive interference right?
17:53:21 ascii_field: jurov: sorta like the famous gedankenexperiment where chinese radio orders all citizens to get on stools and jump at the same time
17:53:34 trinque: hahaha
17:54:23 jurov: if you happen to end up with destructive coherence between two laser diodes, where the energy goes?
17:54:32 jurov: *intereference
17:55:36 nubbins`: same place it goes when two people jump into opposite ends of pool
17:57:40 jurov: okay. so i'd combine different wavelengths diodes then. still more easily to obtain here than nagant parts and ammo
17:57:56 ascii_field: jurov: seriously, easier ?
17:59:01 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
17:59:07 jurov: !up ascii_field
17:59:25 ascii_field: jurov: what of liquid butane (as used in cig lighters) ? any boy can make a far more destructive cannon-style weapon with some plumbing, butane, and spark igniter (from lighter also)
17:59:40 jurov: it makes noise
17:59:46 ascii_field: or hell, in what country can one not make an arbalest ?
17:59:56 ascii_field: from materials in any skip ?
18:00:17 jurov: nagant ==== arbalest now?
18:00:39 ascii_field: at close range, i'd rather take nagant bullet than a bolt from arbalest (if decently constructed)
18:03:56 ascii_field: http://laserpointerforums.com/attachments/f39/46301d1413484753-40w-co2-laser-tube-power-supply-tubeandps.jpg << actual 40w laser. i have this (very common!) tube.
18:04:25 ascii_field: ir. so no one will be making 'sexy' films about these.
18:05:05 jurov: see the chunky power supply next to it? that's why
18:05:16 ascii_field: jurov: photo doesn't even include the water pumps and chiller
18:05:25 mod6: im attempting to apply the gcc patch we discussed the other night: https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html
18:05:46 ascii_field: (serious co2 lasers also recirculate the actual co2, rather than keeping it in sealed pipe)
18:05:51 mod6: gentoo has an ability to allow you to do an overlay .. but holy crap. gentoo is such a nightmare.
18:06:07 ascii_field: gentoo is a nightmare but the non-gentoo world is an utter hell
18:06:25 jurov: so, in the end, combining x diodes even if not coherent needs less energy than one coherent tube.
18:06:28 mod6: and the documentation is so bad, it's not even accurate, and makes assumptions about the audience. smh.
18:06:34 ascii_field: i have no idea how anyone is able to get serious work done outside of gentoo
18:06:42 ascii_field: (or bsd)
18:07:11 nubbins`: osx ;p
18:07:14 *: nubbins` cackles, weeps
18:07:26 nubbins`: so i popped a brand-new piece of mesh this morning
18:07:28 nubbins`: let me find a pic
18:07:34 mod6: trinque says y, "to learn gentoo, you must have learned gentoo". which is the total truth. you can't just pick this thing up and figure it out.
18:07:54 mod6: you have to pick it up and then figure out all out. bzzzzt.
18:07:58 ascii_field: jurov: the best known way to combine power from multiple diode lasers is fiber. but this only works for certain wavelengths where fiber works well.
18:08:18 ascii_field: jurov: you can get a few dozen kW of this on, e.g., 'ebay'
18:08:22 ascii_field: aim like garden hose.
18:08:33 nubbins`: *brand* new. hadn't even been sullied with ink yet.
18:11:12 mod6: UGH
18:12:31 jurov: mod6 what? you want insanely configurable stuff that does not need figuring out? hah, pick one
18:13:31 mod6: i need to get back to winning here. been losing to gentoo for 6 weeks.
18:14:08 shinohai: I havent picked up gentoo yet :/
18:16:54 mod6: im still not sure why we're not taking a hard look at openbsd
18:18:05 mod6: after 6 weeks, all that I can conclude about gentoo is it's basically unuseable.
18:18:28 nubbins`: there was some discussion on this
18:18:37 nubbins`: iirc, *BSD is a completely other type of retarded.
18:18:56 jurov: O.o how unuseable?
18:19:02 nubbins`: gentoo was chosen, i believe, at the behest of alf
18:19:06 mod6: it's unuseable.
18:19:14 nubbins`: mod6 i compiled bitcoind on gentoo
18:19:26 nubbins`: and buildroot as well
18:19:28 mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain.
18:19:37 nubbins`: there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas
18:19:48 nubbins`: it just doesn't exist
18:20:30 *: nubbins` takes a break from corporate income tax forms
18:20:46 jurov: maybe it just refuses to fit your preconceptions
18:21:03 nubbins`: ^
18:21:07 mod6: naw, i have no preconceptions about anything. im talking about using this thing.
18:21:15 mod6: and it sucks.
18:21:19 nubbins`: mod6 for god's sakes man, use specifics
18:21:34 jurov: i'm use it daily as my desktop. for years and yes, pls sepcifics
18:21:38 nubbins`: this is like telling the waiter your food tastes un-good
18:21:58 nubbins`: is it too salty or is there poop in it?
18:24:11 nubbins`: not sure why you shared that, but hi
18:24:23 ben_vulpes: in what world is that nsfw?
18:24:34 mod6: what i'm sayin is this: without expert knowledge of how to use gentoo, I can't do what needs to be done in a reasonable amount of time. everyting for me in there is arduous, painstaking.
18:24:35 nubbins`: the old world
18:24:45 nubbins`: mod6 an example, please
18:24:59 nubbins`: what can you not do
18:25:01 mod6: umm. everything.
18:25:05 nubbins`: HELP US HELP YOU
18:25:13 nubbins`: you can't get a bash prompt?
18:25:17 jurov: mod6 if what you are doing is compiling C binaries, then learning to solve gentoo problems is unavoidable part of it
18:25:29 nubbins`: can't get online?
18:25:30 nubbins`: wat
18:25:53 jurov: and yes, what is *the* problem?
18:27:13 mod6: <+nubbins`> you can't get a bash prompt? << for instance on my POS box that I bought for $129.00 an x86_64 core2duo, I can't even install the os. All i can do is boot the livecd, do the chroot stuff, and then end up at the grub> prompt upon reboot. when it comes to my instance in AWS, i've had better luck, but doing stuff for me is so time consuming. in this case, i need to get gcc recompiled with patches to see if we can get past this error we
18:27:48 mod6: could I just pull down gcc-4.8.4 itself and patch? sure. it'd be a lot easier.
18:28:39 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162139 << gentoo is not an evening thing. it is a lifetime commitment.
18:28:39 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:28; mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain.
18:28:39 mod6: but im positive that i'd never get it configured correctly to use uclibc and whatever other configurations are required to even test this patch. even if I get the patch to work, how am I supposed to get this into such a state that someone else can repeat it?
18:29:45 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
18:29:49 mod6: luckally trinque has been holdig my hand on all of this.
18:29:55 mod6: but... *shrug*. w/e.
18:29:57 ascii_field: and i should point out that in my mind gentoo is defined by ~absences~ of crud, rather than specific attributes which are ~present~
18:29:58 jurov: end up at the grub> prompt upon reboot << for example this is you're 90% there, use the prompt to find the kernel and boot, then reconfigure grub from the running system
18:30:02 *: mod6 goes back to banging his head
18:30:16 jurov: what head banging there?
18:30:42 jurov: grub can be problematic in any distro
18:31:36 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162166 << poor schmuck, he oughta ask his handler at ft meade for more boxes
18:40:20 kakobrekla: you dont need more boxes
18:40:35 ascii_field: mr hearnia does
18:44:37 trinque: their github readme tries to make it sound like it's not just about the block size
18:45:30 trinque: clear intent to frame the blocksize thing in the context of a bunch of other (bullshit) progress!
18:45:56 trinque: "DNS seed changes: bitseed.xf2.org is removed as it no longer works, and seeds from Addy Yeow and Mike Hearn are (re)added to increase seed diversity and redundancy." << LOL
18:46:07 fluffypony: [19:59:12] <Relos> I can hear mary antoinette saying: "let them eat cake"
18:46:09 fluffypony: mary
18:46:11 fluffypony: MARY
18:46:13 fluffypony: omg nubbins`
18:46:30 fluffypony: Mary Antoinette sounds like a maid from the farmlands
18:46:46 ascii_field: l0ltr0n1c
19:26:51 mircea_popescu: !up danielpbarron
19:26:53 mircea_popescu: !up tank100
19:29:32 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
19:29:39 ascii_field: punkman: 'need to' aha
19:29:42 ascii_field: l0l
19:30:08 mircea_popescu: herpitty-derp.
19:32:33 mircea_popescu: ;;calc .95 * 1 + 2 - 2.8
19:32:33 gribble: 0.15
19:32:39 mircea_popescu: seems the red line's way off.
19:33:02 mircea_popescu: ah actually mebbe not.
19:33:58 mircea_popescu: anyway, this is the thing trying to fix the signatures issue isn';t it ?
19:34:08 punkman: one of them at least
19:34:25 mircea_popescu: right.
19:34:48 mircea_popescu: anyway, https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0066.mediawiki << prolly worth yet another read
19:35:05 mircea_popescu: there's no avoiding having to do something to limit the derpage openssl can import into bitcoin
19:36:15 mircea_popescu: also iirc valid sigs that are uncompliant can actually be fixed without resigining
19:36:46 mircea_popescu: punkman second wind eh ?mmmkay.
19:36:48 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162213 << just say when.
19:36:48 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 19:35:05; mircea_popescu: there's no avoiding having to do something to limit the derpage openssl can import into bitcoin
19:37:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161998 << lotta those ?
19:37:31 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 15:38:37; nubbins`: is this something you actually plan on doing, or is this another instance of me wasting a bunch of time generating a quote for something that won't happen?
19:47:15 nubbins`: there's like $150 worth of concept sketches of you riding a horse and squinting at the sun around here somewhere
19:47:34 mircea_popescu: ahaha what was that all about ?
19:47:39 ascii_field: in unrelated observation, there exists (nor, afaik has ever existed) an eeprom burner with true linux support.
19:47:53 ascii_field: every time i have to burn (or even read) an eeprom i end up doing something retarded like this - http://loper-os.nfshost.com/wp-content/mwredux/romsucker_working.png
19:47:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162025 << poor gavin, everyone wants a piece of his ass now. the sad fate of the internet lolcow.
19:47:57 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 17:28:47; jurov: https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/608953783008243712 << leaving this here for danielpbarron
19:48:20 nubbins`: mircea_popescu ask tsp i guess :D
19:48:24 mircea_popescu: ascii_field that's not SO retarded.
19:48:46 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it is monumentally retarded to do whole day's work to read back an 8k rom.
19:48:48 ascii_field: 4k actually
19:48:51 ascii_field: (in that photo)
19:49:03 mircea_popescu: but you keeping the pinboard around neh ?
19:49:09 mircea_popescu: do it once have it forevar.
19:49:21 ascii_field: no because next time, different pinout
19:49:28 ascii_field: have to tear it out, pull out pen, paper...
19:49:40 ascii_field: rom burner is this thing where you don't have to. pull the part # from db and drop in the chip
19:49:54 ascii_field: (into 'zif' socket with mechanical lever, too, avoid bending the ancient pins
19:49:55 ascii_field: )
19:50:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162055 << what happens if i wear tin foil ?
19:50:44 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 17:45:18; jurov: ascii_field: you surely wouldn't want to be on receiving side of it, coherent or not
19:51:10 mircea_popescu: ascii_field one for each pinout ?
19:51:28 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: one for each pin pitch
19:51:50 mircea_popescu: lol get a lever pinboard!!1
19:52:00 ascii_field: (you can drop arbitrary dip into a dip-40 so long as it physically fits, and the microcontroller knows what to do)
19:52:07 ascii_field: nobody makes lever breadboards.
19:52:17 mircea_popescu: they should tho
19:53:10 ascii_field: breadboards are also terrible re: distortion.
19:53:19 mircea_popescu: aha
19:53:36 ascii_field: the correct solution to the problem is physically shaped like the above photo.
19:53:55 jurov: mircea_popescu: as long as there are breathing/talking holes left...
19:54:05 decimation: yeah breadboards have large distributed impedance
19:54:07 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162078 << yes dude. the difference between cars going the same place and cars going at the same pace.
19:54:07 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 17:52:04; jurov: ascii_field: and is it really such a difference in practice?
19:55:00 mircea_popescu: not even. "cars going the same place and cars being wheel to wheel on the road"
19:56:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162094 << any boy that is allowed to be a photo-hipster can turn plain paper into nitrocellulose. that'll work better than butane.
19:56:36 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 17:59:25; ascii_field: jurov: what of liquid butane (as used in cig lighters) ? any boy can make a far more destructive cannon-style weapon with some plumbing, butane, and spark igniter (from lighter also)
19:56:52 ascii_field: ^ did this
19:56:56 shinohai: lol
19:57:05 nubbins`: you also need a font with a # character
19:57:13 nubbins`: and a white drop shadow
19:57:14 nubbins`: :P
19:57:25 ascii_field: but the butane example pertains to hypothetical boy with access only to 'typical u.s. household' garbage
19:57:30 shinohai: yes indeed. potato quality indeed.
19:58:05 mircea_popescu: shinohai you're jewish ?
19:58:32 shinohai: i have jewish family. im not religious myself in any traditional sense.
19:59:01 shinohai: but, i couldn't resist a play on the yeshiva theme.
19:59:07 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes, we did this.
19:59:20 ascii_field: back in the free world.
19:59:25 mircea_popescu: aha
20:00:20 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162112 < ascii lots of 'serious folks' use redhat for this reason
20:00:20 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:06:34; ascii_field: i have no idea how anyone is able to get serious work done outside of gentoo
20:00:25 mircea_popescu: dear god the guy in there's unsafe.
20:00:35 mircea_popescu: seriously, placing your hand to block the upside clearance of the berzelius glass ?
20:00:36 decimation: as much as they derp on shit, they still do a decent job of delivering a platform that is a stable target
20:00:38 mircea_popescu: wtf, who does this
20:00:53 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
20:02:30 trinque: decimation: I probably understand more about redhat's stable target than your garden-variety redhat user because I've used gentoo for so long
20:02:31 scoopbot_revived: Reddit Outrage Reveals Silicon Valley Censorship Agenda http://qntra.net/2015/06/reddit-outrage-reveals-silicon-valley-censorship-agenda/
20:02:53 decimation: trinque: trust me I've lived on gentoo for years
20:03:08 decimation: it forced me to learn why I don't want the latest of everything
20:03:19 BingoBoingo: Fuck
20:03:22 ascii_field: i find all unixlikes but gentoo and freebsd to be quite unusable for daily work
20:03:26 trinque: yep, and also of what a linux system is actually composed
20:03:42 decimation: ascii_field: but you have admitted that you don't pull gentoo updates regularly
20:03:45 mircea_popescu: aww BingoBoingo why so short ?
20:03:46 ascii_field: aha
20:04:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Draft, accidentipublished. Returned to draft bin
20:04:07 mircea_popescu: aok
20:04:09 decimation: so youre 'gentoo' is really gentoo* where * denotes "hand selected all software"
20:04:19 ascii_field: aha
20:04:22 mircea_popescu: you know, fraudsters has a 5 minute delay in the rss feed for this and similar reasons
20:04:24 ascii_field: anything else is a sewage pit
20:04:41 decimation: I do admit that when I've tried openbsd I've been impressed by the presence of actual documentation
20:05:03 trinque: also had a great introductory experience w/ obsd
20:05:49 decimation: I also admit that rhel7 is a clusterfuck
20:06:00 decimation: and redhat is going 'full vm'
20:07:15 trinque: decimation: doing the coreos thing with dual-roots or something?
20:07:45 decimation: well, it's more that redhat seems to focus nearly 100% on providing vm clients and hosts
20:08:01 decimation: that and j2ee bullshit
20:08:20 decimation: their focus on providing a reasonable experience for the console user is nearly nonexistent
20:08:26 decimation: !up asciilifeform
20:08:30 decimation: !up ascii_field
20:11:29 ascii_field: there is NO reason why eeprom programmer shouldn't just appear as usb mass storage on the pc end
20:12:03 decimation: ascii_field: why does it require specialized turdware then?
20:12:17 ascii_field: decimation: because the world is awash in turdmeisters
20:12:48 ascii_field: also in 1990s gigantic microcontrollers did not exist, and the complexity (db of possible chips, etc) had to live in software
20:12:59 ascii_field: on pc end
20:13:07 decimation: yeah, plus proprietary chip configurations
20:13:27 ascii_field: http://blog.killtheradio.net/tricks-hacks/how-to-get-the-top2004-programmer-running-under-windows-7-64-bit << even under winblows, they suck
20:13:36 ascii_field: (what -doesn't- suck there ?)
20:13:49 decimation: it's kinda like modern cars having few user-servicable parts
20:13:54 decimation: apparently the 'demand' doesn't exist
20:13:59 decimation: or if it does, it has been quashed
20:14:20 decimation: "who needs to fix their own chips?"
20:14:49 ascii_field: 'who needs a logic analyzer that can talk to software people write themselves' ? (see yesterday's thread)
20:15:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162127 << why ? is this some new jurov rule ?
20:15:43 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:12:31; jurov: mod6 what? you want insanely configurable stuff that does not need figuring out? hah, pick one
20:16:28 decimation: ascii_field: yeah I read your bitching
20:16:30 jurov: you know of anything both insanely configurable and immediately intuitive?
20:16:41 mircea_popescu: death.
20:16:46 ascii_field: !b 2
20:17:04 trinque: bwahaha
20:17:07 ascii_field: decimation: it blows my mind that the market for sane engineering tools of even very basic varieties DOES NOT EXIST
20:17:10 mircea_popescu: do i get a prize ?
20:17:20 ascii_field: this is how you get the iranian centrifuges with winblows, etc
20:17:29 jurov: mod6: see there. kill yourself and you will get what you want.
20:17:41 mircea_popescu: well... kill someone, at any rate.
20:19:03 mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's really a socialism problem. the plebeian criterion "it works" has surpassed the aristocratic "it makes sense". this is supposedly... better. in fact it's merely cheaper,
20:19:15 decimation: ascii_field: yeah I have a friend who used to work at HP developing logic analyzers
20:19:15 mircea_popescu: in the limited sense of "cheaper" that means "more accessible to the plebs"
20:19:29 decimation: he saw the writing on the wall when the winblows mandate came around, decided to bail
20:19:52 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: thing is, we could get the $20k one here at $firm. but it will RUN XP
20:19:56 ascii_field: and so we don't.
20:20:03 decimation: to be clear, in the case of logic analyzers the main problem is that only fancy chip makers use them anymore
20:20:13 ascii_field: (yes, the high-end instruments ~actually run xp~)
20:20:20 mircea_popescu: soo... quantcast "upgraded" its site, now i can no longer see the graphs.
20:20:32 decimation: ascii_field: surely there are older HP models that run HP-UX?
20:20:50 ascii_field: decimation: older ones have no way of pushing bits to pc at channel speed !
20:20:54 decimation: then you might get to write some IEEE-488
20:21:01 decimation: no usually not
20:21:04 ascii_field: i need them at channel speed.
20:21:06 decimation: they have a shitty gpib
20:21:33 decimation: these days if you want to buy high speed logic, you buy a chip where someone else did everything for you
20:21:40 ascii_field: why the fuck would i pay for a machine with a 128kB buffer and 1G/s sample rate ?
20:21:41 decimation: so the market for logic analyzers has shrunk to chip makers
20:21:47 ascii_field: if it can't piss the bits out to pc at 1G/s
20:22:05 decimation: this is a problem with test equipment in general
20:22:11 decimation: very few support streaming data at reasonable rates
20:22:15 ascii_field: decimation: chip makers willing to use xp
20:22:31 decimation: absolutely they are
20:22:41 decimation: because they assign their indian h1b to test the chip
20:22:46 decimation: don't give a fuck what indian thinks
20:23:49 ascii_field: decimation: slow as fuck, and USED CLOSED DRIVER
20:23:55 decimation: heh yeah it is slow
20:24:02 decimation: what you expect for usb 2
20:24:02 ascii_field: so solves NEITHER
20:24:20 ascii_field: may as well be a winblows item like the 1,001 it competes with
20:24:23 decimation: the driver might be closed, but supposedly you can buy chinese knockoffs for cheap
20:24:36 ascii_field: aha already got one of those
20:24:40 trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/12/us-cybersecurity-usa-whitehouse-idUSKBN0OS26Q20150612 << 14mil employees' data affected up from 4mil
20:24:41 ascii_field: utter garbage
20:24:43 trinque: hilarious
20:24:54 trinque: "cannot confirm"
20:25:15 trinque: I look forward to the day when somebody makes their way inside NSA systems and starts dumping data from there.
20:25:40 decimation: ascii_field: so you want high speed, streaming and no winblows?
20:25:44 decimation: I don't think that exists
20:26:12 decimation: what frequency do you need?
20:26:19 ascii_field: decimation: 500MHz+
20:26:36 decimation: streaming 500 megasamples/sec?
20:26:40 ascii_field: aha.
20:26:57 decimation: heh that would barely fit on a gigabit ethernet with overhead
20:27:13 ascii_field: it'd fit on pci-e handily
20:27:16 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, pretty good, i see pretty much no article qntra published this month got less than 1k reads THIS MONTH. last months pushing 5-10 depending. it's not bad by any measure.
20:27:36 mircea_popescu: i doubt vice has that much readership, notwithstanding the count of clucking clickers clicking around.
20:27:42 ascii_field: decimation: and it is way below the write speed of my hdd, which is the real limit
20:27:52 decimation: ascii_field: does it need to go down to DC? You could use an 'ettus radio'
20:28:02 ascii_field: decimation: yes it needs to go to dc
20:28:07 ascii_field: wtf else is a logic analyzer
20:28:14 ascii_field: if i have a steady state, it needs to show - that.
20:28:23 ascii_field: if 100MHz square wave - then it.
20:28:30 ascii_field: otherwise it's a turd
20:28:32 decimation: most of those radios don't go down below 100 mhz
20:28:55 ascii_field: decimation: radio doesn't pick up arbitrary waveforms
20:29:00 ascii_field: it wants carriers, fsk, etc
20:29:06 ascii_field: a radio is not an oscilloscope !
20:29:42 decimation: sure is, if it goes down to DC
20:29:51 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2015#1001114 << couple of 500mhz devices listed there, I wouldn't hope for much though
20:29:51 assbot: Logged on 01-02-2015 07:05:04; punkman: ;;later tell mats saw this recently, might interest you http://sigrok.org/wiki/Supported_hardware#Logic_analyzers
20:29:54 decimation: yeah it does do arbitrary waveforms
20:30:01 mod6: <+jurov> mod6: see there. kill yourself and you will get what you want. << ah, thanks for the tip.
20:30:19 jurov: not me, mircea
20:30:25 ascii_field: punkman: saw that, yes
20:30:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162128 o.O
20:30:27 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:13:31; mod6: i need to get back to winning here. been losing to gentoo for 6 weeks.
20:30:30 decimation: ascii_field: what about rhode & schwarz?
20:30:53 mircea_popescu: mod6 you seriously proposing marrying to openbsd ?
20:30:54 ascii_field: decimation: where is the mention of linux there ?
20:31:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162139 << fwiw this was my experience as well, but not sure whether this is because badly packaged or outright evil.
20:31:36 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:28; mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain.
20:31:46 decimation: I think they might use winblows too
20:31:53 decimation: I told their sales guy that was a dumb idea
20:31:57 ascii_field: decimation: so 100% as worthless as agilent et al
20:32:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162140 << why ?
20:32:02 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:37; nubbins`: there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas
20:32:09 trinque: mircea_popescu: built him a bootable image of gentoo in about an hour last weekend
20:32:11 decimation: they were trying to 'break into the market' with a different oscope
20:32:22 ascii_field: i see nothing 'different' about it
20:32:27 ascii_field: even has the asinine 'ask for quote'
20:32:35 ascii_field: so they can give usg own price, and you - another
20:32:52 trinque: it's just a matter of having the parts of a functioning linux install already in your head
20:33:04 trinque: the handbook they have is overly complex, and tries to include you in the decisionmaking
20:33:05 mircea_popescu: trinque i recall that part...
20:33:14 mod6: eh. i'm not sure yet. i'm getting to the point with this thing where i realize at least 1 thing: I don't have the technical experience in the context of gentoo to get us where we want to go in a timly fashion. My experience in gentoo has been for 6 weeks, never used it before that. Everything has been a struggle here, for me. Not that I can't do it all myself, but I feel like it's taking me waaay too long. Maybe I just had bad expectations as
20:33:29 decimation: ascii_field: http://www.effectivebits.net/2011/08/to-run-windows-or-not-to-run-windows.html < supposedly some tektronix scopes run linux
20:34:12 mircea_popescu: mod6 the problem is that most people don't have a lot of o-bsd experience. and i don't just mean most people here, but generally. hard to sell that thing as an "all purpose b-a basis of bases"
20:34:24 decimation: tektronix is #1 in oscopes, if they don't have something than probably nobody does
20:34:27 mod6: that's fair. gentoo might be the right move.
20:34:28 mircea_popescu: fwiw de raadt isn't even in here.
20:34:44 ascii_field: decimation: as far as i can tell, they do not offer a logic analyzer with sane pc link
20:34:54 decimation: yeah possibly not
20:35:01 decimation: that's probably a 'premium feature'
20:35:05 ascii_field: not for 100, not for 100,000
20:35:12 ascii_field: not for $maxint.
20:35:45 ascii_field: motherfuckers i just want a piece of silicon that samples 16 lines at 1G/s and clocks out the bits to pci-e lanes.
20:35:51 ascii_field: talking about perhaps 1,000 transistors here.
20:35:56 ascii_field: and nobody wants to sell this.
20:35:59 ascii_field: for any amount.
20:36:15 decimation: well, possibly because they are afraid someone will 'cut them out' of the user interface
20:36:26 decimation: then all they have to sell is some analog electronics attached to a digitizer
20:36:36 ascii_field: or will 'have problems'
20:36:42 ascii_field: and factory mysteriously burns
20:37:53 mircea_popescu: ascii_field so the 1k transistors package can be future s.nsaproduct. time to move on eh ?
20:38:05 decimation: actually it's not so much that
20:38:10 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i need it here and now.
20:38:15 decimation: I suspect it might run into 'itar' rules too
20:38:20 decimation: so 'no export for you'
20:38:36 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
20:38:38 ascii_field: and anyone pursuing sanity today, needs it.
20:38:47 *: mircea_popescu hands ascii_field a roll of duct tape and taped old tv shows
20:39:05 ascii_field: probably ought to explain. see all of those instruments that were never reverse-engineered adequately ?
20:39:11 mircea_popescu: yes
20:39:12 ascii_field: it was from a lack of precisely this simple tool.
20:39:19 mircea_popescu: figures.
20:39:20 ascii_field: (and, often, the muscles)
20:39:26 ascii_field: but must have ~both~
20:39:46 mircea_popescu: looky, there's no argument here, i can follow what you're saying. this thing is not hard to make, is a requisite, should exist but does not. definitely it's a niche.
20:40:03 mircea_popescu: this has been established.
20:41:49 mircea_popescu: i like it when people doing digital bullshit speak of "bespoke". yeah, totally, it means something OTHER than "we want to be paid 10x what our shit's worth on the open market for no other reason than we feel so special and we got a bookmarked link to a thesaurus website"
20:42:25 ascii_field: most likely don't even own a thesaurus, but simply read neal stephenson's novel 'diamond age.'
20:42:30 mircea_popescu: besuckmycocke
20:42:34 mircea_popescu: mmmyeah
20:42:38 decimation: there is no 'bespoke' in electronics
20:42:45 mircea_popescu: ya think ?
20:42:45 decimation: everything is made en-mass in chip fabs
20:43:06 decimation: if the indian tester fucked up the chip for your application, sucks for you
20:43:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, ascii_field, how does one check cardanos without an oscilloscope ?
20:44:13 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the digital half is easier, given as most of the action takes place on the micro
20:44:24 ascii_field: the rng -must- be checked with scope
20:44:41 ascii_field: but, fortunately, it is a low-speed device
20:44:42 mircea_popescu: my question to you is, why must it be checked at higher frequency than what we use.
20:44:48 mircea_popescu: we don't poll it 500mhz
20:44:50 mircea_popescu: not even close.
20:44:50 ascii_field: because nyquist
20:44:55 mircea_popescu: even so.
20:44:58 ascii_field: but in this story i was not speaking of cardano
20:45:02 mircea_popescu: there's a math approach to select good multiples.
20:45:31 mircea_popescu: do half, one and a half, three, whatever's normally done.
20:46:51 ascii_field: one sometimes wishes to capture fast signals, e.g., pci bus.
20:47:10 ascii_field: in pursuit of sanity.
20:47:25 mircea_popescu: yeah
20:48:58 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbtd4jESZD1r31l4no1_500.gif
20:51:35 mod6: <+trinque> mircea_popescu: built him a bootable image of gentoo in about an hour last weekend << yup, this is true. and I haven't been able to try it out yet. i'm planning on trying out the steps that he deed'd tomorrow. the image is great, but the goal is to get to a working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way. so even if the image works, im not sure this is something to be used for anything else. he
20:52:26 ascii_field: mod6: ...working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way << i suspect that this is a nonstarter on account of the unavailability of sane hardware. see the thread where mircea_popescu installed gentoo and then threw it off a cliff
20:53:15 trinque: ascii_field: stageN -> genkernel -> grub2-install -> grub2-mkconfig ??
20:53:19 mod6: well, im afraid of that too. so what to do then? i hope I haven't just been wasting my time then.
20:53:20 trinque: works for me every time
20:53:27 ascii_field: what this means, in practice, is that a reasonable ( i won't say 'sane' because these do not exist presently ) computer system is not a machine, but a ~place~ - like a church organ
20:53:35 ascii_field: the man who built it, is also part of it
20:53:45 ascii_field: and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely
20:53:47 ascii_field: and compensated
20:54:22 ascii_field: but notice there is no how-to book, 'build church organ in 21 days'
20:54:50 ascii_field: perhaps particle accelerator is better analogy
20:54:53 decimation: ascii it is quite possible that oscopes with this kind of capability are considered itar controlled
20:55:02 ascii_field: decimation: the fuck'd i care, i'm in usa
20:55:06 ascii_field: ought to be able to buy
20:55:08 mod6: i guess i didn't realize that gentoo =~ particle accelerator haha
20:55:28 decimation: yeah but generally if it is itar controlled, nobody makes except maybe for golden toilet price
20:55:36 ascii_field: mod6: not gentoo. gentoo+hardware+man
20:55:39 ascii_field: ~system~
20:55:55 trinque: that should at least clear the grub hurdle
20:56:02 trinque: can fine-tune from there
20:56:39 trinque: it wont reproduce my local set-up, but it sounds like the bar is merely "get a uclibc build env for bitcoind"
20:57:07 mod6: my problem here, is ok, let's say that i get this far and then trinque generiously helps me get the rest of the way to it "working". but what about everyone else?
20:57:51 decimation: ascii_field: honestly if you want this product you are probably going to need to build yourself
20:58:55 ascii_field: decimation: here i sit, building approximately it myself.
20:59:32 decimation: ascii_field: what about these http://www.signatec.com/products/daq/high-speed-digitizer-pc-interfaces.html
20:59:34 ascii_field: decimation: very tediously, and at great expense.
20:59:59 ascii_field: decimation: where's the 100% open spec ?
21:00:14 decimation: heh good luck on that
21:00:23 trinque: mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does?
21:00:39 mod6: so, anyway, i dunno. i guess that's just where I'm at. I'll keep working towards getting something going for myself. go from there I guess.
21:01:27 ascii_field: decimation: gotta love the 'full data sheet' without ANY programming info
21:01:48 decimation: apparently it does have linux drivers
21:01:52 decimation: probably binary blobs
21:01:57 ascii_field: useless then.
21:02:04 decimation: it does meet your other specs though
21:02:11 decimation: and 'only' $11k
21:02:16 mod6: <+trinque> mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does? << well, something like that. you pop-in LiveCD, follow The Foundation's ``Guide'' through the chroot process, using hardened uclibc, whatever packages we think are required to build the R.I.
21:02:18 ascii_field: and i don't need the adc for anything
21:02:47 mod6: i mean, we're basically trying to build our own linux here specifically for the R.I.
21:02:47 trinque: mod6: sounds like livecd plus a finished version of my script there
21:03:03 mod6: ok. cool. I'll give it a try.
21:03:05 ascii_field: mod6: we ~did~ build own linux for the r.i.
21:03:10 ascii_field: this one's for human use
21:03:17 ascii_field: as i understand
21:03:24 trinque: thing is partitioning's a very personal decision
21:03:25 decimation: wait I thought you wanted adc
21:03:31 ascii_field: decimation: nope
21:03:35 ascii_field: decimation: logic capture
21:03:36 mod6: well, we started with Deb6 + packages.
21:03:41 ascii_field: between known-low and known-high
21:03:44 decimation: so you only need 500 mhz '1-bit' samples?
21:03:50 ascii_field: aha
21:04:04 decimation: yeah do it yourself
21:04:19 decimation: this card I linked is probably the closest 'industry' has
21:04:26 trinque: mod6: if you use the disk image approach the livecd story becomes very simple
21:04:45 trinque: that thing's only purpose could be to dump you into a booted gentoo which you then follow instructions to configure
21:04:56 trinque: complete with various "oh you want to encrypt /home ?" and so on
21:05:31 trinque: livecd boots, starts bash script whose only purpose is to be told which drive to obliterate with a standard base image
21:06:58 mod6: trinque: with the image, don't we run into issues with hardware other than x86_64?
21:07:34 trinque: you'd just make separate base images
21:07:46 ascii_field: mod6: the whole 'pc compatible platform' thing kinda fell apart
21:07:55 ascii_field: e.g., mircea_popescu's box flaked for no known reason
21:08:20 decimation: why not make a 'buildroot' that targets 32-bit x86?
21:08:35 trinque: anyhow I've given my opinion on how this ought to be done.
21:08:39 ascii_field: decimation: because they are no longer readily available ?
21:08:59 mod6: <+decimation> why not make a 'buildroot' that targets 32-bit x86? << for the R.I. itself or gentoo?
21:09:10 trinque: !up ascii_field
21:09:10 mod6: !up ascii_field
21:09:38 ascii_field: mod6: you can set yours to x86, or sparc, or whatever
21:09:45 decimation: what isn't available? doesn't x86-64 also run 32 bit?
21:09:49 ascii_field: problem is that x86 is not a platform !
21:09:55 decimation: no, not really
21:10:00 ascii_field: some other fell has different vga - no go
21:10:01 ascii_field: etc
21:10:11 decimation: it's true you would need a highly restricted hardware list
21:10:53 mod6: are we talking about two different things here? let's leave the R.I. out of it for a minute. my assumption there is someone can indeed create a "buildroot" or w/e to then cross compile to whatever they want for the R.I.
21:10:57 trinque: none of this applies to booting the thing
21:11:08 trinque: if the livecd loads, if your own box doesn't, you fucked up.
21:11:15 mod6: I'm just trying to figure out how to get some comprehensive steps so just about anyone who wants to can use our gentoo thingy.
21:11:31 decimation: mod6: I'm saying ditch gentoo, use buildroot
21:11:43 decimation: but ascii has a point, this wouldn't work if everyone does not have the same hardware
21:11:50 mod6: isn't buildroot the thing that alf said must be used inside of gentoo?
21:12:44 mircea_popescu: mod6 well, he created it SOMEHOW. im not sure how far that preferred way goes, people get to drive a car their preferred way to ~some degree~.
21:13:01 ascii_field: mod6: it theoretically ought to work elsewhere. but it turned out that other linuxen ship with defective gcc.
21:13:20 ascii_field: buildroot works great when everyone has physically same computer.
21:13:25 ascii_field: e.g. pogo or nintendo etc
21:13:57 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely << if you want to get killed, splendid way to go about things.
21:14:26 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you mean, killed faster ?
21:14:30 mircea_popescu: yeah.
21:14:40 mircea_popescu: killed faster more.
21:14:43 ascii_field: almost certainly
21:15:43 ascii_field: i'd love to teach a platoon of #b-a folks to do what i do, either/or to become less killworthy or (more practically) to be replaced more quickly when finally killed.
21:15:55 ascii_field: but this does not appear to be happening.
21:16:10 mircea_popescu: eh, give it a decade
21:16:14 mircea_popescu: it's not even 2115 yet.
21:16:21 *: ascii_field does not expect to live for decade
21:16:34 mircea_popescu: the unmistakable mark of youth.
21:16:55 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo url fix too
21:17:21 BingoBoingo: What url fix?
21:17:41 *: mircea_popescu gazes upon the cvasi=monotonic s.mpoe evolution past few weeks.... nuts.
21:17:45 BingoBoingo: Url and title can mismatch, get moar SEO gainz that way
21:17:55 mircea_popescu: ah ok
21:18:06 mircea_popescu: i dunno abouit these newfangled seo whatchamacallits.
21:18:29 BingoBoingo: Neither do I. It's all fucking voodoo
21:19:06 trinque: I'm gonna have to finish my genbootstrap script before you guys accept gentoo can be installed, I can see.
21:19:21 *: trinque started in data centers derping out OSs to boxen
21:20:30 jurov: trinque: will it be capable to resolve boxen suddenly refusing to boot?
21:20:41 trinque: I refuse to accept that that's even a thing.
21:20:56 trinque: you don't keep backup kernels around?
21:21:11 *: trinque never throws away a "known good" anything once had
21:21:22 mircea_popescu: "Days earlier Imgur had begun purging images hosted on their site which had been linked to on /r/fatpeople hate."
21:21:23 mircea_popescu: o.O
21:21:28 mircea_popescu: whoi the fuck would use imgur then!
21:21:38 decimation: "What a system like Atomwise actually does can be pretty opaque to a general audience."
21:21:43 jurov: i do. but some people become enraged upon encountering grub> prompt
21:21:46 danielpbarron: "harassing a doxxing" should be *and ? << BingoBoingo
21:22:19 mircea_popescu: copypaste you seriously want to open yet another dig ?
21:22:46 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: ty
21:22:53 ascii_field: decimation: it is 10x as funny to be because i actually worked in pharma, doing precisely what the sc4mz0rz are claiming to do
21:23:02 trinque: jurov: yeah and you had it earlier; you can easily load a kernel from that
21:23:06 trinque: config's only running commands against that
21:23:08 ascii_field: (it did not work especially well, and was not especially fun)
21:23:28 decimation: ascii_field: if people could actually protein fold their way to cures it would have been done already
21:23:56 mod6: trinque and I tried to get my thing to work from grub> for hours one night, perhaps a few different times. if it was simple, we'd have resolved it. it's probably my dumb POS box.
21:23:57 ascii_field: decimation: what the more clever hucksters are doing is to search for 'undergrazed' scams
21:24:03 mircea_popescu: https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << am i the only one thinking she's pretty hot ?
21:24:06 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162023 <<< that's super common along the hume highway (takes you from Sydney to Melbourne) and you'll find dead roos, wombats, birds etc etc strew along a 1000km road
21:24:06 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 17:28:01; fluffypony: nah, that's for cazalla's benefit ;)
21:24:16 fluffypony: nice
21:24:20 fluffypony: goddamn roos
21:24:35 ascii_field: e.g., just about everyone at this point went to first grade and would spit on a claimed perpetuum mobile, but if you ask'em to invest in 'miraculous' protein fold solver - different matter
21:25:08 ascii_field: https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << normal gurl
21:25:22 mircea_popescu: ascii_field she's slightly overweight.
21:25:28 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << am i the only one thinking she's pretty hot ? << 8chan's non nick makes it hard to verify actual shitlords are posting
21:25:31 cazalla: mircea_popescu, nice body but that face :\
21:25:45 mircea_popescu: cazalla you and your faces. fuck the other end.
21:26:00 trinque: !b 3
21:26:04 decimation: ascii_field: but don't you know Big Pharma supresses us!
21:26:09 mircea_popescu: in other news, a turducken walks into the counsellor's office
21:26:22 mircea_popescu: "doc, i dunno what to do... i feel like a chicken trapped in a turkey's body"
21:26:36 trinque: mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build
21:27:03 cazalla: mircea_popescu, you do know you can fuck both ends yeah?
21:27:09 mircea_popescu: decimation honestly, that particular mob reads a lot to me like the people claiming the "auto industry" is "supressing the water engine" trying to jump ship
21:27:20 mircea_popescu: as their original bs is very hard to sell in the current political climate.
21:27:36 mircea_popescu: cazalla well you can but you dun have to
21:27:48 cazalla: if you can, you must!
21:27:53 mircea_popescu: hehehe
21:27:56 decimation: agreed, since they can't explain what they actually do (see ascii's point), they gotta be all conspiratorial
21:28:04 mircea_popescu: trinque moreover, the value of an "approved hardware list" should be obvious.
21:28:07 mircea_popescu: i am all for this.
21:28:09 trinque: yep
21:29:20 mircea_popescu: Do you hate slimfat people? I'm not visible fat if you see my with a shirt, but I'm out of shape when you see me without it, I have the hips of a woman.
21:29:20 mircea_popescu: (USER WAS BANNED FOR DENYING HIS FATNESS)
21:29:23 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
21:29:55 decimation: trinque: one idea is the 'hp microserver' gen 7
21:30:09 decimation: has closed bios, but that's going to be neigh impossible to avoid on x86
21:30:29 trinque: yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either
21:31:14 mircea_popescu: https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434091646578-0.jpg win.
21:31:45 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162626 << if i can see ribs -> not exciting.
21:31:45 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:25:22; mircea_popescu: ascii_field she's slightly overweight.
21:31:55 ascii_field: but 'different folks, different strokes'
21:31:56 trinque: decimation: I like these tiny cuboid cases
21:32:18 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162636 << where to get 'standard hardware' ?
21:32:18 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:26:36; trinque: mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build
21:32:23 ascii_field: i know of no such thing
21:32:26 trinque: bah
21:32:34 trinque: trinque | yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either
21:32:36 decimation: trinque: they are quiet
21:33:23 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162651 << false. 100% of amd boxes
21:33:23 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:30:09; decimation: has closed bios, but that's going to be neigh impossible to avoid on x86
21:33:33 trinque: ascii_field: it's obvious I'm saying that picking hardware which is known in advance to boot gentoo
21:33:40 trinque: *might be beneficial
21:34:06 trinque: if you want a machine that does exactly and only and none other than what's in some specification, lol
21:34:11 *: trinque goes to find a plow
21:34:56 ascii_field: entirely linuxable
21:34:59 ascii_field: (incl. bios)
21:35:04 ascii_field: doesn't even come with a 'civilian' bios
21:35:17 ascii_field: but - it has no vga.
21:35:27 ascii_field: nor is there any obvious means to add one
21:35:30 trinque: not so bad to be headless
21:35:39 ascii_field: (i tried the mpcie slots with various vga cards. no go.)
21:36:00 ascii_field: you can tunnel x11 out of it if you insist.
21:36:18 ascii_field: (most frustrating thing is that the amd chip on this board ~has vga~ built in. but no amp on the pcb and no connector.)
21:36:50 trinque: heh combine this guy with the terminal I think decimation picked up
21:37:00 decimation: yeah absolutely
21:37:10 decimation: or use another computer for terminal
21:37:40 ascii_field: has 3 x 1G ethernet. can tunnel x11 out of it with no palpable delay
21:38:30 ascii_field: (this is another reason why the shitgnomatic 'replacements' for x11 are nonsensical. if i can't get EXACT same experience through a net connection to the machine without idiocies like 'sharing desktop', the gui is WORHTLESS)
21:38:49 trinque: $127 or $150 for 4gb ram
21:38:55 jurov: will it blend...er.. run eulora?
21:39:03 trinque: doubtful
21:39:04 decimation: heh
21:39:04 ascii_field: jurov: probably not. no 3d card
21:39:05 ascii_field: srsly
21:39:10 decimation: good luck getting winblow to boot
21:39:12 trinque: but what's the goal
21:39:26 trinque: I see this as a box with which to connect to the wotnet, things like that
21:39:37 trinque: your bitchin gaming pc goes behind it
21:39:41 trinque: !up ascii_field
21:39:46 ascii_field: decimation: laugh, but winblows boots on'em!
21:39:55 ascii_field: finds the onboard vga (with no output) even.
21:40:14 ascii_field: ('corebios' aka linuxbios ships with a simple dos-compat. layer that will boot winblows if you must)
21:41:23 ascii_field: in as far as x86-64 goes, these boards are surprisingly good.
21:41:36 decimation: heh amusing
21:41:40 ascii_field: (that is, nothing obviously and profanely turdalicious on them)
21:42:02 ascii_field: even brings the spi eeprom where bios is out to pin headers, for ease of reflashing/readback
21:42:12 mircea_popescu: all these social media derps saying "privilege" like it's a bad thing ?!
21:42:40 mircea_popescu: wtf is with this bullshit. the only thing better than being privileged is being hm
21:42:47 mircea_popescu: there's nothing better than beingpriviledged.
21:42:51 decimation: ascii_field: can you boot from eeprom?
21:42:53 mats: fun fact (unapproved by the FCC): the VGA is a decent TX-only SDR.
21:42:59 ascii_field: decimation: all of mine, do
21:43:09 ascii_field: you can stuff generic kernel in there
21:43:15 trinque: mircea_popescu: means "not fair, give me your shit"
21:43:17 decimation: mats: it would be noisy as hell
21:43:18 trinque: to them
21:43:19 ascii_field: mats: ancient history. music over vga
21:43:51 *: mircea_popescu shrugs.
21:44:29 decimation: wow even can order metal case
21:45:04 ascii_field: with normal vga card.
21:45:27 mats: i've not seen that before
21:45:41 ascii_field: ^ plays music
21:46:33 ascii_field: aha, i have this.
21:46:38 ascii_field: rock-solid box
21:47:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162688 << it gets better. i have reports of an assortment of cards, including uber popular stuff like nvidia 520 series, getting 2-3 fps on eulora.
21:47:25 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:38:55; jurov: will it blend...er.. run eulora?
21:47:37 mircea_popescu: with multiple versions of newest drivers etc.
21:47:42 mircea_popescu: for reasons ???? nobody fucking knows.
21:47:47 mircea_popescu: opengl something or other, for sure.
21:47:54 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i can tell you now, why
21:47:57 mircea_popescu: do
21:48:12 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: microshit discourages functional opengl in gpu drivers
21:48:18 mircea_popescu: so ?
21:48:27 ascii_field: (they wish to have their 'directx' turd in universal, mandatory use)
21:48:32 mircea_popescu: problem exists on fucking ubuntu apparently.
21:48:32 ascii_field: so it pulls on the ropes.
21:48:45 ascii_field: problem exists at the two remaining gpu makers.
21:48:53 ascii_field: each is a proud servant of microshit.
21:49:00 mircea_popescu: i dunno man, i get 60 fps constant on that thing.
21:49:02 mircea_popescu: also nvidia card
21:49:36 ascii_field: any common factors between the unhappy cards ?
21:49:36 decimation: *nvidia recommends winblows for optimal experience
21:49:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation
21:49:57 mircea_popescu: ascii_field not that i could discern so far.
21:50:29 mircea_popescu: but next s.mg report is going to contain list of functional gpus.
21:50:36 mircea_popescu: which is exactly in line of what trinque was saying
21:51:09 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162751 << that is precisely what you're experiencing, but the source is not public.
21:51:09 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:49:40; mircea_popescu: anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation
21:51:26 mircea_popescu: opengl is public.
21:51:35 ascii_field: the back end.
21:51:38 mircea_popescu: yes.
21:51:43 ascii_field: where it turns into actual gpu instructions
21:51:46 ascii_field: is not public.
21:51:47 mircea_popescu: that's all i care to know : what portion of the spec is not implemented correctly.
21:51:51 mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit about that
21:52:03 mircea_popescu: im not here to fix anything
21:52:06 mircea_popescu: i am here to burn things
21:52:20 mircea_popescu: stirctly, strictly that. i don't aim to run a university, i aim to run a decimation service.
21:52:42 ascii_field: burn nvidia. (amd at least shows remorse, published gpu specs for a megatonne of cards, and ~no one has done anything with them~)
21:53:04 mircea_popescu: for now i want the camel.
21:53:26 ascii_field: which camel? the one who walks through the eye of a needle ?
21:53:45 mircea_popescu: IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation
21:53:50 ascii_field: ah
21:54:43 decimation: reverse engineer driver
21:55:00 ascii_field: decimation: that gets you ~one particular chip~
21:55:05 ascii_field: see also the fpga threads.
21:55:06 mircea_popescu: so far i'm waiting for someone with experience to go "oh! well of course!"
21:55:15 mircea_popescu: "it alwas looks like this when X"
21:57:11 decimation: the probability that someone derps with ubuntu AND can find root causes of closed driver failures strikes me as low
22:01:38 mircea_popescu: it happens across the board, not just ubuntu
22:01:55 mircea_popescu: i just said it happened on ubuntu to dispel the theory it'd be windows specific, it's not
22:02:22 ascii_field: does the thing use shader /
22:02:23 ascii_field: ?
22:03:04 mircea_popescu: yea
22:03:10 ascii_field: likely culprit
22:03:14 mircea_popescu: and yes prolly the shader's involved because clipping and flicking
22:03:15 mircea_popescu: myeah
22:06:31 decimation: lol
22:08:00 trinque: govt owes her state-funded skin pigment reassignment
22:08:39 trinque: usistan, glorious empire of delusional narcissism
22:08:41 shinohai: is there anyone here that is a btc .conf wiz ?
22:09:50 mats: ask your question, don't ask to ask
22:11:06 shinohai: blocking nodes is inefficient, yes?
22:15:07 trinque: INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER
22:16:00 shinohai: my apologies, I am researching as well
22:16:54 mircea_popescu: shinohai inefficient for what purpose ?
22:17:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 3500 @ 0.00111 = 3.885 BTC
22:17:14 danielpbarron: shinohai, see: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149136
22:17:14 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 21:23:54; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149116 << i tried various values of 'misbehave' increment per orphan block - 20, 50, even 100. in my tests, this made sync... slower. reason, as i understand, was that 1) you lose time renegotiating connection 2) overwhelmingly likely that any node you reconnect to -also- shits just as many orphans.
22:17:19 shinohai: suppoae i wish to ignore xt nodes by default
22:18:16 shinohai: thiswould be better when i arrive home, irc on phone is terrible
22:18:59 *: trinque wonders if pf could accomplish that
22:19:37 trinque: shinohai: sounds like a patch to bitcoind
22:20:05 shinohai: there are only a few hundred ip's if that
22:22:39 mircea_popescu: shinohai nothing prevents you from ignoring any node. this is how people deal with hooligans, it's been a thing since forever.
22:23:03 mircea_popescu: i see no problem with simply nullrouting all "xt nodes", and for that matter the general practice is to block any node that advertises a version different from your own.
22:23:34 mircea_popescu: seeing how what version you run is a political choice more than a technological one, accepting dissent is -ev for your own affairs.
22:24:08 mircea_popescu: it is, after all, a consensus mechanism, not a fucking science journal.
22:28:02 shinohai: I'm good then. its running so meh
22:28:57 trinque: ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses
22:45:36 scoopbot_revived: Eulora second event - Sunday, June 14th http://fraudsters.com/2015/eulora-second-event-sunday-june-14th/
23:01:32 jurov: only bandar toolkit is something that i can both make and have sense to have blessed
23:01:52 mircea_popescu: wellthen.
23:05:14 danielpbarron: i must be close to being able to make something useful. I've been scoring claims that yeild 100+ items
23:05:54 jurov: danielpbarron: today?
23:07:34 danielpbarron: yeah, last night and today
23:07:35 jurov: yest everything i found was tiny
23:07:58 danielpbarron: well.. "last night" .. "very very early this morning"
23:07:59 mircea_popescu: !up Bob32442
23:08:41 danielpbarron: the learning curv is very steep with eulora, to the point where it's a chore to get going with it. But once I had a few things figured out it is now becoming addictive
23:13:33 jurov: danielpbarron: could say sooner the claims are there. i just logged in today and let it be.
23:14:06 jurov: at least figured out cs supports python scripting
23:14:16 Bob32442: hmm, I don't get the cap, why is it that it can't be removed?
23:14:48 jurov: Bob32442: what cap? blocksize?
23:14:53 jurov: go read fraudsters
23:14:55 Bob32442: yeah
23:16:40 Bob32442: so... wait, then why does anyone use bitcoin if they think that's going to happen?
23:17:45 Bob32442: Maybe I should read the rest of it lol
23:23:12 Bob32442: ah
23:34:43 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron information-wise steep ?
23:35:37 mircea_popescu: "anyone" is a particularly inept model. it presumes the world composed of imbecile 20somethings like one finds on reddit.
23:35:40 mircea_popescu: this is pointedly untrue.
23:35:57 mircea_popescu: people who use money are fundamentally different than the sort of bovines sturggling with us college education.
23:36:08 mircea_popescu: who, notably, do not use money either. or yachts. etc.
23:41:55 mike_c: jurov: have you been able to write a python script that'll do something in the game?
23:42:14 jurov: lol far from that
23:42:19 mike_c: ah
23:42:49 jurov: just found scripting support in cs and after some diddling, compiled and ran tutorial app
23:43:13 jurov: seems that feature was left to rot
23:43:39 mike_c: so the plan would be to modify client in someway that would then support python scripting
23:43:53 mike_c: if interest held
23:44:58 jurov: yes, if ~ then i'll do the irc stuff in py, too. but then have to bundle python in win32 package, too
23:45:10 trinque: doesn't seem like they're amused by the "pivot"