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00:00:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56311 @ 0.00051286 = 28.8797 BTC [+] {2}

00:01:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9089 @ 0.00052105 = 4.7358 BTC [+]

00:02:21 gabriel_laddel: To those reading along, how do I know http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197799 ? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-05-2015#1144266

00:02:21 assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 22:07:49; gabriel_laddel: MP is on the verge of understanding.

00:02:21 assbot: Logged on 23-05-2015 07:11:21; mircea_popescu: seems the sort of meta-prograsmming task for which lisp was invented anyway. keep your code as a s-expr of the code you deliver.

00:07:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116011 @ 0.00052225 = 60.5867 BTC [+] {3}

00:23:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43175 @ 0.00053951 = 23.2933 BTC [+] {2}

00:24:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27225 @ 0.00054233 = 14.7649 BTC [+] {2}

00:29:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46937 @ 0.00053472 = 25.0982 BTC [-]

00:30:17 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbHKzpzlgkc

00:30:19 assbot: top breech - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1eReg9D )

00:31:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18927 @ 0.00053472 = 10.1206 BTC [-]

00:32:58 shinohai: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1436644980131s.jpg

00:32:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1eReDBf )

00:36:32 gabriel_laddel: shinohai: http://imgur.com/CQH4ojL

00:36:33 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRfe5Y )

01:01:41 shinohai: lolz

01:02:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93550 @ 0.00051902 = 48.5543 BTC [-]

01:17:11 trinque: gabriel_laddel | trinque: yeah, so fyi there is no obvious way to add the docstring to eldoc << thanks for the crack at it

01:17:48 trinque: might be easier for me to forget about eldoc and try writing what I actually want from scratch

01:19:31 gabriel_laddel: trinque: well, you could do that, but it will interact with eldoc and slime-autodoc

01:19:36 gabriel_laddel: which are on idle timers

01:20:05 trinque: yes that might be the right way; I'm not in a position where I feel I know the best way yet.

01:20:19 gabriel_laddel: lol, idle timers are the ONLY way to do that

01:20:36 trinque: I want two things, at any point I want to know what I have available to me in the context I'm in

01:20:59 trinque: I want to have that broken apart into sensible categories of action, a tree structure of sorts from the current point outward to wherever else I might go

01:21:48 gabriel_laddel: :/ I know. Climacs is the inevitable conclusion. Doing the elisp dance around the cl package system just isn't fun.

01:21:55 gabriel_laddel: and eldoc is integrated into elisp

01:21:59 trinque: yeah you already know two

01:22:00 gabriel_laddel: polluting it.

01:22:11 trinque: gimme the same thing for *THIS* I've chosen

01:22:32 trinque: the docs for it, and a way to traverse to related things I might want to use instead

01:23:01 gabriel_laddel: Generic functions for this class, sorted by if they're implemented yet, things that have been passed this type in the past...

01:23:14 trinque: certainly

01:23:20 trinque: what does the whole goddamn world look like from this point

01:23:38 trinque: I am a very visual/spatial thinker

01:24:03 trinque: and only grow proficient in a domain when I have a sort of physical model of the space

01:24:36 gabriel_laddel: how the fuck did you ever get good at python

01:24:49 gabriel_laddel: related: I want to be able to inspect an object, mark it, then jump around through a bunch of other objects and hit a key to get a sexpr representing the accessor corresponding to my traversal.

01:25:22 trinque: gabriel_laddel | how the fuck did you ever get good at python << by forcing myself to work through it

01:25:48 trinque: eventually acquiring the mental picture of python's insane world

01:26:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15387 @ 0.00053591 = 8.246 BTC [+]

01:26:32 trinque: and tbh I write python in a functional style over mostly primitive types

01:26:57 trinque: I am a simpleton.

01:27:57 trinque: gabriel_laddel: that example of taking action *once* and being able to turn that sort of "recorded" action into an abstraction, exactly fucking right

01:28:48 gabriel_laddel: Even if the indicies are hardcoded... still useful.

01:28:57 trinque: our merry band of madmen got things such as these done once upon a time by representing the ASTs of SQL queries as table structures in postresql

01:29:12 gabriel_laddel: madmen indeed

01:29:24 trinque: that was where I accidentally bumped into the power of a homoiconic language

01:29:32 trinque: because we... lol... forced SQL to behave like one

01:30:07 gabriel_laddel: fyi: http://lisptips.com/post/20871695085/printing-package-qualified-symbols

01:30:08 assbot: Printing package-qualified symbols ... ( http://bit.ly/1HvFRUE )

01:30:35 trinque: model ebnf as tables -> describe some particular grammar in those tables -> derive schema for statements in that grammar -> derive parser for farting ASTs into tables -> so on so on

01:31:16 trinque: it's just everything is data, including that which is used to model and manipulate the data

01:31:19 trinque: lisp did it far far better

01:32:10 trinque: incidentally we had the ebnf one bootstrapped such that it contained the description of its own structure

01:32:16 trinque: and could revise it from there

01:32:20 trinque: transactionally even

01:32:28 trinque: and that was super powerful as well, and I don't know how to get that on the CL side

01:33:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46471 @ 0.00053591 = 24.9043 BTC [+]

01:33:42 gabriel_laddel: what, transactions?

01:33:59 gabriel_laddel: why would you want to revise sexprs?

01:34:13 trinque: yeah, I want to go insane in an arbitrary direction changing some data structure, then decide nope arbitrarily later

01:34:18 trinque: or even better, have it fail some constraint and do so

01:34:23 trinque: or in other words... "database"

01:34:58 gabriel_laddel: yeah, I wish you the best of luck on that quest. It is straightforwards, but ugh.

01:35:03 trinque: I would have to describe better how I've leaned on there being a declared schema which is also data

01:35:43 gabriel_laddel: defclass, plists, alists

01:35:59 trinque: for example an inner join between the schema-describing-tables and the rows describing the grammar was how I wrote a generic to-string for any language in the ebnf tables

01:37:39 gabriel_laddel: fucking ayy man

01:38:13 gabriel_laddel: I hope you don't take offense to this but...

01:38:25 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: this is what I mean by "we need people to carry the water"

01:38:40 gabriel_laddel: seriously, redirecting a trinque at CL would make the development 100x better.

01:38:51 gabriel_laddel: *the development experience

01:39:04 trinque: if you mean somebody should've kicked my ass ten years ago for not writing CL, I agree.

01:39:48 gabriel_laddel: I mean that someone should have paid for you to write CL, preferable packaging it up as an unchanging distro supporting only a subset of hardware.

01:40:11 trinque: so, here's what I do in real life, right?

01:40:25 trinque: I model people's businesses using a database

01:40:38 trinque: so to the extent that you put a better tool in my hands to do that, I'll only be appreciative.

01:40:48 trinque: s/appreciative/paying you/

01:41:11 trinque: I'm not personally out to revolutionize computing by focusing all my time on that as such

01:41:17 trinque: make sense?

01:41:25 gabriel_laddel: Yep. This is what I'm trying to get ascii to see.

01:45:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127628 @ 0.00051856 = 66.1828 BTC [-] {2}

01:46:58 trinque: model a business, describe business rules which constrain the changes possible to the model, present the state of the model in various useful ways, attach behavior to changes permitted by the model

01:47:05 trinque: this is every goddamn application I've ever sold

01:47:22 trinque: and a tool which allows me to rapidly do that will drastically increase the rate of said selling

01:47:47 trinque: and you could stack corpses to the sky replacing products which were specific incarnations of such a database, rather than attacking the general problem described above.

01:48:00 trinque: and then when you've got fat stacks from all the killing you've been doing, hell, build some hardware why don't you?

01:49:58 trinque: this I think hits the problem of "the sale wants their particular problem solved head on" vs "to be a successful software business I must generalize" squarely

01:56:15 gabriel_laddel: !s dawg just make the cardano already so we can sell em

01:57:15 assbot: : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dawg+just+make+the+cardano+already+so+we+can+sell+em

01:57:15 gabriel_laddel: kakobrekla: search is down?

01:58:14 phf: were you guys trying to put symbol documentation into slime-autodoc results? that seems pretty easy, just patch whatever swank:autodoc returns. though seems like it would be distracting since multiline docs will keep resizing modeline every time your point is at a new function

01:59:27 phf: there's also C-c C-d d which brings up a window with symbol's description

02:01:31 gabriel_laddel: phf: C-c C-d d << M-x slime-describe-symbol

02:02:47 trinque: bbl

02:03:36 phf: gabriel_laddel: i'm not sure what you're trying to say

02:05:11 gabriel_laddel: phf: Nothing interesting. Twas already covered in the logs...

02:07:46 phf: gabriel_laddel: oh you're right, i'm behind on my readin'

02:15:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133450 @ 0.00053473 = 71.3597 BTC [+]

02:18:35 gabriel_laddel: !up trixbutt

02:18:40 gabriel_laddel: !up cosmo

02:30:55 gernika: I attended a lisp meetup in SV today at which someone presented their altcoin which happened to be written in CL. This altcoin exists apparently because bitcoin too "too slow."

02:33:50 gabriel_laddel: gernika: odd.

02:33:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107415 @ 0.00054072 = 58.0814 BTC [+] {2}

02:33:59 gabriel_laddel: gernika: you live in the valley?

02:34:26 gernika: Close to there. I'm more on the peninsula.

02:34:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17585 @ 0.00054623 = 9.6055 BTC [+]

02:36:59 phf: trinque, gabriel_laddel http://paste.lisp.org/display/151403

02:37:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXq6L4 )

02:44:34 gabriel_laddel: !rate phf 2 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198014

02:44:35 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9dd9f91f07d236ef

02:44:35 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 02:36:59; phf: trinque, gabriel_laddel http://paste.lisp.org/display/151403

02:46:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81275 @ 0.0005413 = 43.9942 BTC [-]

03:09:09 mircea_popescu: !up trixbutt

03:11:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39844 @ 0.00052301 = 20.8388 BTC [-]

03:17:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/2014/minigame-smg-august-2014-statement/#comment-114754 << don't you find it a little odd that even on an obscure liuttle game such as eulora, someone does find the time to carefully probe me about aes ?

03:17:09 assbot: MiniGame (S.MG), August 2014 Statement on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYIZ1N )

03:21:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cazalla https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << whatever have you two done.

03:21:20 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeTElh )

03:21:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42181 @ 0.00052301 = 22.0611 BTC [-]

03:22:34 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seems to be traction from the transaction fees article

03:22:41 mircea_popescu: nb.

03:22:54 mircea_popescu: it's like, almost february all over again.

03:23:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197553 << they are disconcertingly yellow...

03:23:54 assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 06:06:44; Naphex: 04:14 <+hanbot> people are going to be sucked into convenience > quality (sanity) so long as they can't appreciate what quality is. i had a visitor in romania who had never seen good egg yolks, thought they were "suspicious <- Happens pretty often

03:24:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197584 << haha well that fox had a good meal for surer

03:24:43 assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 08:13:46; cazalla: or inattentive chicken shepherd

03:25:27 hanbot: good sort of yellow tho'. of course, how would you know if you hadn't had good eggs /turmeric/etc

03:26:03 mircea_popescu: "waiter, i ordered soffran rice and what the fuck is this yellow poison looking shit!"

03:26:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197622 << anything but a science that renders journos unnecessary!

03:26:25 assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 12:45:57; funkenstein_: "Benner has lofty goals for his synthetic molecules. He wants to create an alternative genetic system in which proteins [] are unnecessary" <-- ??

03:26:53 mircea_popescu: "At the time of posting this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some twerp going on about how ltc has more volume than btc or some shit ?

03:27:00 mircea_popescu: well done, whoever.

03:28:19 mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk

03:28:43 phillipsjk: I really should auth with the bot with pgp though.

03:28:54 mircea_popescu: so go ahead.

03:30:48 cazalla: BingoBoingo, that bio lol https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/crypto/

03:30:49 assbot: Jonas Borchgrevink, Author at CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnOTYj )

03:30:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197713 << i don't follow. how's the daugther of boob implant woman not able to look the same as mom ?

03:30:56 assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 20:19:34; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196970 << leg is different from boobs because child born of the former can still be expected to look similar to parents while child of latter may not

03:35:09 hanbot: mircea_popescu i think the point is able!=expected

03:35:32 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Scam bio

03:35:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90053 @ 0.00054288 = 48.888 BTC [+]

03:42:07 mircea_popescu: lol

03:42:24 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel btw, you use emacs ?

03:44:08 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: yeah

03:44:18 mircea_popescu: an' you hate it basically ?

03:44:21 phillipsjk: I am not sure I can auth with assbot. to verify I need to decrypt a OTP, but I need a rating of 2 for the !up command to challenge me with one.

03:44:34 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: yep.

03:44:35 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk no you don't ? you just pm assbot !up

03:44:46 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel well there goes that idea.

03:45:08 gabriel_laddel: eurlora client?

03:45:29 gabriel_laddel: *eulora

03:45:33 mircea_popescu: myeah.

03:45:36 phillipsjk: assbot says: "You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0)"

03:45:55 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197840 << this is basically how the libc hack of template files works eh.

03:45:55 assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 22:43:42; gabriel_laddel: For example, say that you find the existence of both elt & nth to be stupid. write a (meta)program that walks an arbitrary CL program and fixes all elt's to nths. Let everyone know that it's deprecated, and that they can run this program on their code to update it to CL 1.2 or whatever.

03:46:06 mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot phillipsjk

03:46:07 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=phillipsjk | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/phillipsjk/

03:46:19 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk apparently you can't actually self-voice.

03:46:50 phillipsjk: Can I auth with the bot without voicing?

03:46:55 mircea_popescu: nope.

03:47:16 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the problem with templates is that generating syntatically correct code is fucking impossible.

03:47:21 mircea_popescu: in any case : i don't like aes for purely political reasons. it became an apparent schelling point out of absolutely nowhere for no discernible reason. these situations always stink.

03:47:52 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i think the principle of machine-fixed code is broken, but hey. maybe you're in a narrow enough case you can pull it off.

03:48:16 mircea_popescu: if you can actually write programs to fix programs - why haven't you yet and why are we still running broken code everywhere.

03:48:28 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: because I'm lazy?

03:48:32 gabriel_laddel: I need interns

03:49:02 mircea_popescu: that process works better the other way. ("i need to intern for this guy" vs "i need people to intern for me")

03:50:05 gabriel_laddel: I want to move *up* the ladder of abstraction. Purely mechanical lisping doesn't interest me.

03:50:33 phillipsjk: Anyway, I screwed up with my AES comment: naivly encrypting game commands with a fixed key will give you the same cipher text given the same input. Chipher modes are not my field of expertise though.

03:50:53 gabriel_laddel: Even if what I'm suggesting for interns is state of the art for some people.

03:51:14 gabriel_laddel: I could go to africa (or stanford) if I wanted to be "considered intelligent"

03:51:19 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk i've not put much design effort into that yet at any rate.

03:52:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197875 << having been more or less peripherally aware of gfx software the past coupla decades, i gotta tell you opengl is both come very far and possibly one of the worst retarded solutions ever seen.

03:52:24 assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 22:56:47; ascii_modem: fuck opengl. i want peter henderson's sexpr graphics

03:52:33 mircea_popescu: granted this isn't much seeing just how retarded that field is, but anway

03:52:53 mircea_popescu: i am thankful directx fucking died, that's for use.

03:52:56 mircea_popescu: sure*

03:53:23 mircea_popescu: worst thing about the early 2000s was how ms seemed it was going to live forever through directx

03:54:31 mircea_popescu: hm. by "worst retarded" i actually mean "least retarded".

03:55:35 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/7de75d4ebda90e2d168a79213340fe62/tumblr_n54dwd5MBJ1sr11rlo1_400.gif

03:55:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsS9jD )

03:57:02 decimation: mircea_popescu: I buy your political reasons, but aes was the 'winner' of a fairly large and open 'competition' and was then recommended by usg. How is that 'coming out of nowhere'?

03:57:37 mircea_popescu: blowfish has successfully resisted analysis and was thoroughly abandoned. because aes "won a competition" ?

03:58:22 mircea_popescu: i dunno about you, or anyone else. but to me, winning a competition is a discomendation.

03:58:42 mircea_popescu: you know, like i don't expect a film to be good because it got 7 oscars. i expect it to suck.

03:58:57 mircea_popescu: and i don't expect a dude to have something meaningful to say because he got a nobel prize, but IN SPITE of getting it.

03:58:58 mircea_popescu: etc.

03:59:20 mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk

03:59:21 decimation: yeah that seems like a reasonable objection

03:59:42 mircea_popescu: i guess "purely political" is not even the best way to state it. purely idiosyncratic.

04:00:39 mircea_popescu: o look at that, actually an english word. cool.

04:05:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00052863 = 7.4537 BTC [-]

04:05:41 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

04:05:42 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 303.79, Best ask: 303.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 303.8, 24 hour volume: 45768.38673079, 24 hour low: 285.29, 24 hour high: 308.42, 24 hour vwap: None

04:05:50 mircea_popescu: o hey.

04:05:57 punkman: guten tag

04:06:23 mircea_popescu: καλή μέρα

04:06:48 mircea_popescu: (amusingly enough, that says "inkwell" in romanian, phonetically)

04:07:22 punkman: mircea_popescu: o look at that, actually an english word. cool. << which?

04:07:36 mircea_popescu: idiosyncratic

04:07:45 punkman: that's a very greek word actually

04:07:52 mircea_popescu: originally, obviously.

04:08:01 mircea_popescu: but surprisingly enough, exists in english.

04:08:55 mircea_popescu: (yes, i confess, mp doesn't generally use natural language "as it is", but "as it should be", like any serious autist. it's wonder anything i say's comprehensible to any degree)

04:10:06 phillipsjk: After a little research, I found that twofish was one of the finalists in that competition. (Apparently the 64bit block size of blowfish it a little small for some applications like encrypting over 4GB) You are probing me now :)

04:11:07 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198088 similar appeal as the dressed/undressed sets

04:11:07 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:55:35; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/7de75d4ebda90e2d168a79213340fe62/tumblr_n54dwd5MBJ1sr11rlo1_400.gif

04:11:18 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk yes, but that's both trivial to fix and in practice long fixed (twofish, threefish, etc). it is in point of fact a VERY promising cypher branch, mostly on the account of its extremely complex schedule

04:11:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58069 @ 0.00052863 = 30.697 BTC [-]

04:11:47 mircea_popescu: cazalla i liked the fact that the only pictures in which she displays good posture, she's wearing "slave" or whatever you'd call it garb.

04:12:25 mircea_popescu: this is shocking but factual : rarely will you see women carrying themselves like actual people outside of dance school and the slave quarters.

04:13:41 cazalla: you're big on posture eh? mentioned numerous times now

04:13:51 mircea_popescu: yes, i'm big on posture.

04:14:29 cazalla: not that i enjoy a slouch, just not something i've considered before either

04:14:52 trinque: I tend to think how you hold yourself *is* how you feel about yourself, rather than how you convey it

04:15:11 trinque: fascinating observation re: the slave gear

04:15:33 mircea_popescu: put a woman naked on a horse, it'll tell you all you need to know about the "empowerment of feminism" and whatnot.

04:15:50 punkman: I got the impression she was looking at her belly with most outfits

04:16:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138750 @ 0.000516 = 71.595 BTC [-] {3}

04:17:05 mircea_popescu: punkman completely driven crazy with the body image these days. i'm surprised there's even females left at all, sometimes. reasonable expectation last one died cca 2003 over a bulimia-anorexia crisis.

04:17:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125200 @ 0.00051131 = 64.016 BTC [-] {2}

04:17:47 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198123 <<< i was being specific to women fwiw.. all australian men walk around with their chest out, shoulders back asking if ya wanna have a go, cunt?

04:17:47 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 04:14:52; trinque: I tend to think how you hold yourself *is* how you feel about yourself, rather than how you convey it

04:18:36 mircea_popescu: so what happens when two meet ?

04:19:07 punkman: chest-bump or fist-fight

04:21:18 cazalla: or a fist bump and they go their seperate ways

04:21:47 trinque: cazalla: yeah, specifically to the chick; she's in this garb that evokes a certain narrative, suddenly perked as though immediately at home in that context

04:22:18 trinque: but also hell, I like wearing a good suit (and I'm sure by better standards I've never worn one)

04:22:44 mircea_popescu: so come to ba, have one made.

04:22:50 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem

04:23:40 ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198086 << wat.

04:23:40 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:53:23; mircea_popescu: worst thing about the early 2000s was how ms seemed it was going to live forever through directx

04:23:51 ascii_modem: never lived, in my eyes

04:23:51 mircea_popescu: yes.

04:24:15 mircea_popescu: yeah, but you also don't play.

04:24:18 ascii_modem: who the fuk cares what microshit did or will do

04:24:24 mircea_popescu: people who like games.

04:24:31 ascii_modem: i like

04:24:31 mircea_popescu: did. at the time.

04:24:38 ascii_modem: dos!!

04:24:48 mircea_popescu: 2004 kinda late for dos.

04:25:29 ascii_modem: i played 'edna' (1996!) just now. in czech.

04:25:38 ascii_modem: dos.

04:25:50 ascii_modem: mega-adventur

04:25:52 mircea_popescu: i spent the decade playing homm2 and mm6/7. nevertheless... some people actually cared about everquest and wow and whatnot.

04:26:04 ascii_modem: pff.

04:26:28 mircea_popescu: look, you dun have to be a fan to admit it looked bleak in 2002.

04:27:04 ascii_modem: aha.

04:27:22 mircea_popescu: the only performance edge ms ever had in its entire history. ever. directx 6-7

04:27:31 mircea_popescu: blessfully they choked on it.

04:27:34 cazalla: my brother played a lot of homm2 (mind you, here is retarded so probably didn't play it well despite sinking so much time into it, never wanted to play it over LAN with me for some reason).. i prefrered EQ..

04:27:43 ascii_modem: in '95 too. for me, winblows was the beginning of the end, gamewise

04:28:34 cazalla: i liked that ghetto version of homm2 which came on the cd, forget the name of it

04:28:50 ascii_modem: the only edge microshit ever had anywhere was from collusion with hw vendors.

04:28:58 mircea_popescu: nevertheless.

04:29:04 ascii_modem: just as today.

04:29:12 mircea_popescu: at the time, as a game maker, it was "directx or go home"

04:29:18 mircea_popescu: today, i can make an opengl game and simply not care

04:29:25 mircea_popescu: this is foundational.

04:29:43 ben_vulpes: hate to interrupt, but ascii_modem did you ever post a hack for speedily dumping all blocks via a -dumpblock analog or am i misremembering?

04:29:47 mircea_popescu: it allows minigame to exist, at any rate.

04:29:57 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wasn't that speedy but yes he did.

04:30:27 ben_vulpes: link plx? ascii_modem

04:30:41 ascii_modem: i wanted to explain that i don't evaluate softs in comparison with microshit. just as i don't evaluate meal by comparing with a tall glass of liquishit.

04:30:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142437 @ 0.00053258 = 75.8591 BTC [+] {2}

04:31:16 ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: no, but trivial. go, write

04:31:32 *: ben_vulpes nods

04:31:34 ascii_modem: or nm

04:31:39 ascii_modem: i did

04:31:40 ben_vulpes: ?

04:31:46 ben_vulpes: didja now?

04:32:02 ascii_modem: in the ram plot article

04:32:43 ascii_modem: though i may have neglected to attach it. check.

04:33:15 ascii_modem: what didja have in mind ?

04:33:16 ben_vulpes: all of your mails coming through in .txt makes finding your utterances annoying, because i don't index attachments

04:33:37 ben_vulpes: it's fine tho i'll just buy a little more rsi :P

04:33:39 ascii_modem: read www like everyone else?

04:33:55 ben_vulpes: we broke email. notrly surprised.

04:34:09 ascii_modem: i attach so jurov's script stops raping

04:35:04 ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << this one?

04:35:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RqTrns )

04:35:17 ben_vulpes: surely not...

04:35:25 ascii_modem: it

04:36:24 ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198091 <<< so many lulz! recall 'serpent' and the Official Truth re: its rejection?

04:36:24 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:57:37; mircea_popescu: blowfish has successfully resisted analysis and was thoroughly abandoned. because aes "won a competition" ?

04:36:44 mircea_popescu: not right off.

04:37:09 ascii_modem: worth a read

04:37:28 ascii_modem: it was spiffier in just about every known way

04:37:45 ascii_modem: iirc

04:38:17 mircea_popescu: where was this discussed ?

04:38:27 ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198074 << holyfuk wat is this.

04:38:27 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:48:32; gabriel_laddel: I need interns

04:39:39 ascii_modem: serpent? in crc crypto encyclopaedia, and had citations. but largely, wank on sci.crypt

04:42:23 ben_vulpes: ascii_modem: forgive the idiocy, i don't see any scriptage around the `dumpblock'ing

04:43:04 ben_vulpes: just curious to know if you had done something clever to dump the blocks.

04:45:57 ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: it was a 4line bash

04:46:08 ascii_modem: deadly boring

04:46:12 phf: ben_vulpes: i started writing a patch that would let dumpblock accept cut's number range syntax, i.e. 1,7-100,200- but didn't think anyone would need it. i can pick it up again in a day or two, though i suspect you need it now?

04:46:37 ascii_modem: waiwut

04:46:43 ascii_modem: my cut?

04:46:51 ascii_modem: had no such thing

04:47:07 phf: ascii_modem: cut as in unix utility

04:47:08 ben_vulpes: cutblock wasn't you?

04:47:23 ascii_modem: cutblock was mine

04:47:24 ben_vulpes: o nm

04:47:31 ben_vulpes: phf: nifty

04:47:39 ascii_modem: but no built-in knobs

04:47:53 ascii_modem: unixphilosophy!

04:48:19 ben_vulpes: mhm

04:48:23 ascii_modem: feed output to your favourite whatevers.

04:49:01 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell shinohai Look what I found https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server/commit/a431496a0a22838e7767db4a71d556ad67b92655

04:49:03 assbot: remove unneeded patch · spesmilo/electrum-server@a431496 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9hnjm )

04:49:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:50:05 ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198038 << lol, see mp's 'psychology of bag...'

04:50:05 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:26:53; mircea_popescu: "At the time of posting this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some twerp going on about how ltc has more volume than btc or some shit ?

04:50:47 decimation: unixphilosophy > "modular is better, can process any text stream" <> "modular is always worse than 'done at bedrock'"

04:51:14 ascii_modem: can anyone tell me what the point of litecoin is after scryptasic finally happened ??

04:51:39 decimation: it's an altcoin amoung altcoins

04:52:23 ascii_modem: decimation: there is no reason to reimplement bash loop, etc in something like blkcut

04:52:29 ascii_modem: its retarded

04:52:46 decimation: agreed, I was just making point about 'unixphilosophy'

04:52:49 ascii_modem: that is what 'unixphilosophy' meant to mean

04:53:18 decimation: !up ascii_modem

04:54:27 phf: ascii_modem: that's what kept me from continuing to work on that patch, but i still ended up hacking the code for bulk export, since O(n^3)

04:54:39 decimation: what would it look like to have 'modular bedrock'? feed output of 'cut' circuit to 'sort' circuit?

04:55:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119850 @ 0.00053857 = 64.5476 BTC [+]

04:55:32 ascii_modem: basic idea similar

04:56:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.0005377 = 16.4536 BTC [-]

04:56:48 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem same as bitcoin, really. it's there.

04:57:54 ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198070 << this goes far, far deeper. from my own explorations: 1) there is NO rationale public for just about any aspect of blockcipher -ANY of them - design;

04:57:54 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:47:21; mircea_popescu: in any case : i don't like aes for purely political reasons. it became an apparent schelling point out of absolutely nowhere for no discernible reason. these situations always stink.

04:58:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12556 @ 0.0005377 = 6.7514 BTC [-]

04:58:40 ascii_modem: 2) just about 'anyone who's anyone' in that entire subdiscipline is a usg career

04:58:53 mircea_popescu: myeah.

04:59:15 mircea_popescu: that's a major point incidentally. we'll have to make our own crypto oscars, this usg situation is untenable

04:59:20 mircea_popescu: definitely higher concern than the ntp

04:59:27 ascii_modem: try example

04:59:39 ascii_modem: why feistel networks!!????

04:59:59 ascii_modem: no reason. 'because', 'shuddup'

05:00:24 ascii_modem: fuck'em with a horse.

05:03:46 mircea_popescu: they gotta pick something neh ?

05:04:09 ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198128 << is this even a thing ~other than~ for the ones perma-wedged at mental age 12 ??

05:04:09 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 04:17:05; mircea_popescu: punkman completely driven crazy with the body image these days. i'm surprised there's even females left at all, sometimes. reasonable expectation last one died cca 2003 over a bulimia-anorexia crisis.

05:04:28 mircea_popescu: yes.

05:04:38 mircea_popescu: i bet you your gf hates her thighs.

05:04:58 ascii_modem: not detectably

05:05:28 ascii_modem: hence observation above

05:05:28 decimation: http://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/3ce0s8/dear_amazon_interns_some_advice_from_an_old_man/ < lulzy massive thread where purported employees of amazon (and 'the big 4') complain about how they are assraped by amazon/google/ms etc

05:05:31 assbot: Dear Amazon interns, some advice from an old man who has been at Amazon way too long. : Seattle ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7fLgt )

05:06:20 gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198199 << Would an intern be more useful working for you or some node.js type?

05:06:20 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 04:38:27; ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198074 << holyfuk wat is this.

05:06:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115009 @ 0.0005377 = 61.8403 BTC [-]

05:07:06 mircea_popescu: "Now, the average employee stays at Amazon for LESS than two years, so when you do the math to compare offers from various companies go ahead and factor that in. The entire system is designed to bring you in, burn you out, and send you on your way with as little equity lost as possible."

05:07:07 mircea_popescu: heh.

05:07:13 mircea_popescu: as opposed to what. google ?

05:07:29 ascii_modem: lol re the 'bonus'

05:07:41 ascii_modem: thats gotta be a new low

05:07:58 *: ben_vulpes avoids

05:08:13 ben_vulpes: had enough of that flavor of chumpatronics, tyvm.

05:08:16 decimation: next it'll be 'we charge you for the electricity you used while here'

05:08:21 ascii_modem: why would anyone not mail it back immediately ?

05:09:01 decimation: It's a real problem for young people in the us though

05:09:17 ascii_modem: what is

05:09:21 decimation: where is a bright young engineer going to work?

05:09:25 ascii_modem: gullibility?

05:09:26 decimation: usg or 'big 4'

05:09:39 ascii_modem: its all usg

05:09:45 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem it is new if you're from 2005.

05:09:49 decimation: or academitarditron

05:09:59 ascii_modem: hotdog stand in podunk? usg, yes

05:10:10 decimation: farm? also usg

05:11:08 ascii_modem: both the money and the meat - countereconomic voodoo creations of usg

05:11:16 ascii_modem: in this example

05:12:19 ascii_modem: mircea_popescu: new to me

05:12:36 ascii_modem: but i'm not a pro entomologist

05:12:37 mircea_popescu: i am not aware of ANY stock option deal that is not a scam outside of mpex to date.

05:12:42 mircea_popescu: i mean that stringently and quite literally.

05:12:51 decimation: yeah, it's just depressing. I would note that the above 'big 4' are exactly what everyone in the us is banking on to save the entire system

05:13:51 ascii_modem: aha, the normal deal is straight classical 'jam tomorrow'

05:16:20 punkman: decimation: will be fun when they have to bailout google

05:16:51 ascii_modem: will be with usg ads!

05:17:04 ascii_modem: naturally

05:17:19 decimation: I suspect google already has some kind of sweetheart regulation somewhere

05:17:23 decimation: that could be counted as an asset

05:17:27 punkman: they all have

05:18:04 ascii_modem: #1 voluntary nsa dossier toilet

05:18:18 decimation: still, countereconomic as it might be, there's an opportunity here

05:18:24 mircea_popescu: decimation they didn't end up paying ten billion over the rico conspiracy thing they had with the wage fixing did they ?

05:18:30 ascii_modem: it is holy to the lizard throne.

05:18:30 decimation: surely at least some of the meat doesn't want to enter the chumpatron

05:18:31 mircea_popescu: that's only for when italian dudes run their own independent govt.

05:18:50 decimation: heh you mean the wage fixing

05:18:55 mircea_popescu: brave sir robert got some bank to pay for "helpying money laundering", right ?

05:19:02 mircea_popescu: price fixing is not in this bucket tho.

05:19:06 decimation: didn't the judge throw it out because it was rediculously low

05:19:20 decimation: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/03/end_to_google_apple_et_al_wagefixing_lawsuit_in_sight/ < lol

05:19:21 assbot: End in sight for Google, Apple, Intel and Adobe wage-fixing lawsuit • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7gXQV )

05:19:35 decimation: judge threw it out at $325 mil, they upped it to $450 mil

05:19:47 ascii_modem: if they dont fx prices - to borrow bushism - 'that sucker will go down'

05:19:47 scoopbot_revived: Ultima Online http://fraudsters.com/2015/ultima-online/

05:19:49 decimation: er $415

05:19:54 mircea_popescu: i have nfi how it can cost them less than 10-20 billion

05:20:40 mircea_popescu: i mean gimme a break, even junk like sr was supposedly doing more damage than this.

05:20:48 mircea_popescu: what, google is now less of a thing than silk road ?

05:21:00 decimation: lol because the suing class consists entirely of people who willingly entered the aforementioned chumpatron

05:22:07 mircea_popescu: "willingly".

05:22:30 mircea_popescu: you know what, women willingly entered the workforce, what the fuck is with these "civil rights" lawsuits.

05:22:39 mircea_popescu: and iirc the woman with mcdonalds willingly bought coffee.

05:23:16 decimation: about 80% of usg depends on these kinds of 'willingly' gotchas

05:23:21 decimation: YOU AGREED

05:23:47 decimation: !up ascii_modem

05:23:55 ascii_modem: nah they 'willed' to enjoy warm fuzzies not the butugchag of reality

05:24:04 decimation: heh

05:24:38 ascii_modem: 'will' means something very peculiar to a muppet

05:25:06 ascii_modem: i'm not quite enough entomolgist to say precisely what.

05:25:11 decimation: ;;calc 415000000/65000

05:25:12 gribble: 6384.61538462

05:25:27 decimation: ^ split when given to the 65k employees

05:25:34 decimation: not counting the half for lawyers and admin

05:25:35 mircea_popescu: i guess as the flesh sears under the hot tongs, "high ranking" usg employees will scream how people "willingly paid taxes"

05:25:40 ascii_modem: ~0

05:26:07 decimation: and voting too!

05:26:07 mircea_popescu: decimation from any settlement under 2-3 bn, the actuasl employees get zilch.

05:26:29 ascii_modem: lol sop

05:26:32 decimation: this goes to ascii's (orlovs?) deer who kneels down in front of the hunter

05:27:56 ascii_modem: fact, they ~must~ fix wages, or die

05:28:27 ascii_modem: only brake on the realestate blackhole.

05:28:33 decimation: yeah if they doubled 'slave wage' in sillycon valley it would only double housing expenses

05:28:47 ascii_modem: triple

05:29:37 decimation: and then interns would be happy to live 10 per apartment mexican-style for the very small chance that they can get some google equity

05:29:52 ascii_modem: as now

05:30:07 mircea_popescu: well, let thjem come out and say that then

05:30:50 ascii_modem: 'spartan speaks with sword'

05:30:54 decimation: this is obviously countereconomic, what puzzles me is why hasn't someone exploited the opportunity?

05:31:06 ascii_modem: what opportunity

05:31:29 decimation: hire non-idiots who don't want to enter the chumpatron somewhere where feeding real estate isn't the entire economy

05:32:06 ascii_modem: where? doing what? paid with what? lol

05:32:23 mircea_popescu: da fuck is b,tmsr~ doing ?

05:32:29 ascii_modem: and realestate harvester kept out how?

05:32:42 mircea_popescu: by refusing geography.

05:32:50 mircea_popescu: and ESPECIALLY centralization by geography

05:32:59 mircea_popescu: "oh guise let's make a country" "stfu"

05:33:05 ascii_modem: mircea_popescu: it hired somebody ???!?

05:33:09 mircea_popescu: nope.

05:33:17 mircea_popescu: but it IS exploiting the opportunity.

05:33:41 ascii_modem: i dun see it

05:33:58 gabriel_laddel: decimation: what happened to that "new country on unclaimed land"

05:34:06 gabriel_laddel: ?

05:34:12 decimation: eh?

05:34:39 ascii_modem: gabriel_laddel: usg claims earth and all of known unviverse

05:34:48 gabriel_laddel: ^

05:34:52 gabriel_laddel: this is what I'm pointing out

05:34:54 ascii_modem: fuck i hate this machne

05:35:02 ascii_modem: tardablet

05:35:05 decimation: hehe

05:35:16 decimation: touchscreen keyboard?

05:35:24 ascii_modem: a

05:35:36 mircea_popescu: no fucking way ? you actually inputting text on a tablet ?!

05:35:45 ascii_modem: trying to

05:35:55 mircea_popescu: you know this is like asking god for MS

05:36:00 mircea_popescu: (multiple sclerosis)

05:36:13 ascii_modem: why not plague

05:36:50 mircea_popescu: because this is what stephen king got : a tablet.

05:36:57 mircea_popescu: uh. nm, the other one.

05:36:59 mircea_popescu: haw-king.

05:37:25 ascii_modem: i thought he had arsejoystick

05:37:26 decimation: poor ascii still yearns for his bed computer

05:37:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198008 << anything good ?

05:37:43 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 02:30:55; gernika: I attended a lisp meetup in SV today at which someone presented their altcoin which happened to be written in CL. This altcoin exists apparently because bitcoin too "too slow."

05:38:10 ascii_modem: i just need to memorize morse for 'shoot me now plz'

05:38:21 mircea_popescu: i wonder if google telepathy keyboard will work intermediately. secretary on her back with the things attacked, you stick your cock into her and write your next article.

05:38:45 mircea_popescu: mental moan dictation.

05:38:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17570 @ 0.0005377 = 9.4474 BTC [-]

05:39:14 ascii_modem: for mircea_popescu - dictation

05:39:31 ascii_modem: for us - 'last bullet plz'

05:40:39 ascii_modem: wonder if anyone sells morse-bluetooth-kbd

05:41:27 *: decimation would buy one

05:42:10 mircea_popescu: punkman http://fraudsters.com/2012/filozoful-blogomirea-editie-revazuta-adaugita-si-completata/#selection-27.36-27.45 << inkwell.

05:42:11 assbot: Filozoful Blogomirea, editie revazuta, adaugita si completata. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7iYN6 )

05:42:15 mircea_popescu: perhaps my best poem.

05:43:01 decimation: heh apparently usg paid its think tank to identify the top open source projects that 'need security investments' https://github.com/linuxfoundation/cii-census/blob/master/results.csv

05:43:03 assbot: cii-census/results.csv at master · linuxfoundation/cii-census · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7j3QI )

05:43:16 ascii_modem: l0l!!

05:43:24 decimation: top of the list: ftp, netcat, tcpd, whois, at

05:43:44 *: decimation expects nothing to come of this

05:44:40 punkman: decimation: so that's... everything?

05:45:09 decimation: yeah, pretty much - which is the honest answer

05:45:30 gabriel_laddel: "security investments"

05:45:41 gabriel_laddel: !s embrace and extinguish

05:46:42 assbot: : http://s.b-a.link/?q=embrace+and+extinguish

05:46:42 decimation: The Linux Foundation (LF) Core Infrastructure Initiative (CII) is trying to identify OSS projects that need special focus/help for security so that it can best identify OSS projects needing investment.

05:46:42 decimation: "Similarly, the Department of Homeland Security Homeland Open Security Technology (DHS HOST) program’s goal is to “help facilitate the continued adoption of open technology solutions (including OSS)...to improve system security....” They have asked the Institute for Defense Analyses to identify and collect metrics to help identify OSS projects that may especially need investment for security."

05:46:56 mircea_popescu: dhs host ahaha

05:47:03 mircea_popescu: somebody likes sigourney weaver

05:47:36 ascii_modem: meta. collector for candidates for gavinization academy.

05:48:33 ascii_modem: 'you wanna eat off project? we knew! great, innit? just one little thing we want in return...'

05:48:33 decimation: ascii_modem: that's giving too much credit

05:48:35 punkman: they must be pleased with systemd results

05:48:55 decimation: usg's classic move is to pay $mil to contractor to tell it how it sucks, and then do nothing with the results

05:49:40 ascii_modem: nah thats favouriteson sop

05:49:49 ascii_modem: this - different

05:50:45 ascii_modem: this - probably our best picture of operation of the gavinfactories.

05:51:13 ascii_modem: they gotta come from somewhere.

05:51:35 ascii_modem: 'i wanna eat'

05:51:39 decimation: I would note that it seems this is in coordiation with the "linux foundation"

05:51:49 decimation: so it would indirectly funded by usg at best

05:51:58 ascii_modem: 'hereyago'

05:52:01 mircea_popescu: <punkman> they must be pleased with systemd results << they are. and mostly on the grounds that they're measuring badly.

05:52:03 decimation: but by their favorite sons, sure

05:52:07 mircea_popescu: systemd was an utter disaster for 'em.

05:52:43 punkman: how's that?

05:53:11 mircea_popescu: exactly how "war on terror" was a disaster for them. "oh we conquered iraq". "you won't be able to hold it"

05:53:14 mircea_popescu: wrong metrics.

05:53:27 decimation: "The “libapache2-mod-gnutls” package is especially concerning; this is a key glue mechanism between Apache and GnuTLS, but it seems to be minimally maintained. The others are libraries for processing various formats (images, compression, and XML) that are the basis for many other functions that do not seem to be well maintained. "

05:53:56 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem

05:54:14 ascii_modem: usg hasnt given a fuk re conquest in the normal sense of the word since war with spain.

05:54:31 mircea_popescu: gnutls was marked for death along with everythning else i nthe pki scabies pile

05:54:51 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem understand that it doesn't matter what the loser of a contest cares about.

05:54:59 mircea_popescu: this is always the loser's excuse, of course.

05:55:41 decimation: "we were intending to bring peace and freedom, not exploit the colony's resources"

05:55:59 ascii_modem: where is the losing? plebes lost, sure (when did they not?) - lizards - won

05:56:04 mircea_popescu: this exploiting that costs one more than his wife...

05:56:21 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem only in your alt-world where meta-win is a win and meta-nsa a thing.

05:56:46 ascii_modem: lockheed et all are drowning in win

05:56:48 punkman: what would be not-meta win for systemd?

05:57:42 mircea_popescu: punkman if nothing else, i have a very convenient rally point.

05:57:57 mircea_popescu: this is not repaid by having five billion more schmucks use ubunwindows.

05:57:59 ascii_modem: vaterland s33k000rity 'industry' is choking on money

05:58:09 mircea_popescu: no, it's not.

05:58:27 mircea_popescu: it's choking on money like gawker and reddit are.

05:59:17 decimation: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/426/086/e48.jpg

05:59:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7kuP3 )

05:59:22 ascii_modem: entirely different hallucination, much stronger lsd in use

05:59:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122450 @ 0.00053857 = 65.9479 BTC [+]

06:00:25 ascii_modem: i dont see the gawker similarity at all

06:00:33 mircea_popescu: ahaha

06:00:46 ascii_modem: aside from the overall scamitude

06:01:15 mircea_popescu: not a debate that can be resolved at any rate.

06:01:34 mircea_popescu: but, without committing to being in any sense persuaded, or anything, consider the following :

06:01:45 mircea_popescu: by the time i can actually point to something, that side's lost.

06:01:50 ascii_modem: lets say this. gawker pays for hippie house , 5 bois per room

06:02:01 mircea_popescu: by the time we have "politically correct" as a concept, us liberalism is dead.

06:02:05 ascii_modem: lockheed - 1

06:02:11 mircea_popescu: by the time "systemd" is a word, usg-as-nsa is no longer.

06:02:14 mircea_popescu: does this make any sense to you ?

06:02:43 ascii_modem: only in wizard universe where names kill things

06:02:52 mircea_popescu: it is not that the name killed things

06:03:08 mircea_popescu: it is that by the time the mistakes got a name, the mistakes are by now too numerous to allow victory anymore.

06:03:25 mircea_popescu: that's the problem here - to make a name you need a concept, and the concept's only circumscribed enough when there's enough errors on the table.

06:03:33 mircea_popescu: and that enough is always > the enough for losing.

06:03:37 ascii_modem: i get that the reich is not 1000year, aha

06:03:58 mircea_popescu: well, i have not the instrumentation to make this point rigurouslyt

06:04:03 ascii_modem: but i'm still crunchng. crunching under nazi boot

06:04:05 mircea_popescu: we don't know each other long enough. but eventually.

06:04:13 mircea_popescu: yeah, but you enjoy it.

06:04:36 ascii_modem: no?

06:05:04 mircea_popescu: the whores i've known in my lyf taught me to not take a man's own word on that score.

06:05:36 ascii_modem: would really rather perelman.

06:07:50 punkman: perelman but like gentleman?

06:07:58 ascii_modem: aha!

06:08:29 ascii_modem: taleb.

06:08:34 ascii_modem: mthreat.

06:08:38 ascii_modem: et al

06:09:44 mircea_popescu: ha! i think he'll be flattered to hear that.

06:09:56 ascii_modem: five walls and radioactive dragons guarding each, between one's arse & economic reality

06:10:36 mircea_popescu: u kno there's no such thing rite

06:10:57 ascii_modem: and wage labour being in same mental category as ebola

06:11:18 ascii_modem: as in, yes, theoretically, could touch you...

06:12:25 mircea_popescu: the dragons are made of economic reality :)

06:13:00 mircea_popescu: said the daymio to the assassin : why would i want protection from contact with assassins ? you're giving exceptional blowjobs!

06:13:05 ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198474 << notice, i didnt say 'infinite'! said - 5!

06:13:05 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 06:10:36; mircea_popescu: u kno there's no such thing rite

06:13:16 ascii_modem: 5 is doable!

06:13:39 ascii_modem: plus they got doors.

06:13:57 ascii_modem: but you walk out when ~you~ want

06:14:20 ascii_modem: reality uninvited - can pound sand.

06:14:37 mircea_popescu: this sounds like a great title for something.

06:14:41 mircea_popescu: "Reality uninvited"

06:15:04 ascii_modem: death?

06:15:20 ascii_modem: see, a taleb only dies once

06:15:30 ascii_modem: wage labourer? daily.

06:16:44 ascii_modem: hell, hourly

06:17:34 ascii_modem: every time i burn to work on one of 'tmsr' items but nope, because slave

06:18:45 mircea_popescu: ;;google "suferinta-i ziditoare"

06:18:46 gribble: Geneza 4 Romanian: Cornilescu - Bible Hub: http://biblehub.com/rom/genesis/4.htm; Un cub negru | Simple ganduri ale unei fiinte absurde.: https://quadrillenoir.wordpress.com/; George Mocanu | „Diseară vântul va lustrui stelele din nou…”: https://gabrielrachitasu.wordpress.com/

06:19:01 ascii_modem: ??

06:19:23 mircea_popescu: how you say this in russian ? ziditor, literally, building, but it's only used in that form in a churchly context, "building into christ"

06:20:56 ascii_modem: no exact transl

06:21:04 mircea_popescu: ah must be

06:21:14 mircea_popescu: im positive romanian sniped it off slavonic

06:21:34 mircea_popescu: and speaking of dragons, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdcgj5SEd11r4y7oeo1_1280.jpg

06:21:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7muXL )

06:21:36 ascii_modem: зодчий

06:23:13 mircea_popescu: страдание поучительно.

06:23:29 ascii_modem: anyway everything i spoke of zips up under 'sleep ad libitum'

06:24:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169000 @ 0.00054252 = 91.6859 BTC [+] {3}

06:24:34 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem

06:24:48 ascii_modem: mircea_popescu: to a point. what does pirannha bath teach?

06:25:03 mircea_popescu: how would i know that.

06:25:06 ascii_modem: and, wanna learn? why not?

06:26:22 mircea_popescu: don't you need to bleed first ?

06:28:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42128 @ 0.00054446 = 22.937 BTC [+]

06:28:42 ascii_modem: papercut suffice

06:29:14 mircea_popescu: but i don't have a papercut.

06:29:18 ascii_modem: point was, the famous theorem, has a corollary:

06:29:50 ascii_modem: 'that which kills you, does not make you stronger.'

06:31:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58802 @ 0.00053536 = 31.4802 BTC [-] {2}

06:31:41 mircea_popescu: worked for malcom x.

06:32:06 mircea_popescu: but forget obscure commie activists.

06:32:16 mircea_popescu: what's the name of that black schmuck ? i forget.

06:32:16 ascii_modem: haven't seen him strengthng around lately

06:32:28 mircea_popescu: the one that'd never have amounted to a hill of beans until some cop shot him ?

06:33:18 ascii_modem: 'martyrdom is singularly unprofitable for the martyr' (tm) (r) (uncle al)

06:33:43 mircea_popescu: is it ?

06:34:03 mircea_popescu: is perelmanism singularly unprofitable for the perelman ?

06:34:23 ascii_modem: nah

06:34:25 mircea_popescu: all this suicide "indicting" has a single source : "you owe us"

06:34:53 ascii_modem: just that being a live hero beats the other kind

06:35:11 mircea_popescu: objectively or iye ?

06:35:39 ascii_modem: screw 'indicting', i'm just not quite ripe to be buried yet

06:36:48 mircea_popescu: well... others are.

06:37:40 ascii_modem: '... in the next attack, i promise to burn up!' (tm) (r)

06:39:31 ascii_modem: ( http://www.gr-oborona.ru/texts/1083496454.html )

06:39:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7o8bZ )

06:40:51 mircea_popescu: "Tokyo police are investigating whether a man who cooked his own severed genitals and served them to five paying diners committed a crime, the force said Tuesday."

06:41:27 ascii_modem: ^ not first!!

06:41:30 mircea_popescu: Diners each paid 20,000 yen ($250) for a portion.

06:45:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174200 @ 0.00053379 = 92.9862 BTC [-] {2}

06:46:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00054593 = 4.8042 BTC [+]

06:51:24 mircea_popescu: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26452755/php-curl-with-nss-is-probably-using-sslv3-insted-of-tls-when-connecting-to-htt << random fun with nss.

06:51:25 assbot: ssl - PHP Curl (with NSS) is probably using SSLv3 insted of TLS when connecting to https - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbPMQD )

06:53:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00054593 = 9.9086 BTC [+]

07:10:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.00053405 = 34.7133 BTC [-] {2}

07:49:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93000 @ 0.00054614 = 50.791 BTC [+] {2}

07:53:46 scoopbot_revived: On Walmart. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/12/on-walmart/

08:09:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103250 @ 0.00053358 = 55.0921 BTC [-]

08:22:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126450 @ 0.00053137 = 67.1917 BTC [-] {3}

08:23:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116417 @ 0.00053358 = 62.1178 BTC [+]

08:28:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213750 @ 0.00054545 = 116.5899 BTC [+] {4}

08:56:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58998 @ 0.00054716 = 32.2813 BTC [+] {2}

08:57:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58452 @ 0.00055169 = 32.2474 BTC [+] {3}

08:59:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134000 @ 0.00055312 = 74.1181 BTC [+] {4}

09:14:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88750 @ 0.0005542 = 49.1853 BTC [+] {3}

09:28:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151796 @ 0.00055435 = 84.1481 BTC [+] {2}

10:01:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152193 @ 0.00055436 = 84.3697 BTC [+]

10:05:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60400 @ 0.00055436 = 33.4833 BTC [+]

10:15:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 230800 @ 0.00055218 = 127.4431 BTC [-] {3}

10:23:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159300 @ 0.00052834 = 84.1646 BTC [-] {2}

10:24:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97000 @ 0.00052427 = 50.8542 BTC [-]

10:29:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98850 @ 0.00051307 = 50.717 BTC [-]

10:30:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119761 @ 0.00051181 = 61.2949 BTC [-] {2}

10:31:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29639 @ 0.00051108 = 15.1479 BTC [-]

10:54:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139200 @ 0.00050944 = 70.914 BTC [-] {2}

11:01:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00051296 = 25.648 BTC [+]

11:23:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27731 @ 0.00051296 = 14.2249 BTC [+]

11:30:39 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198038 < turns out you know the guy https://twitter.com/ErikVoorhees/status/619253918468444161

11:30:39 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:26:53; mircea_popescu: "At the time of posting this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some twerp going on about how ltc has more volume than btc or some shit ?

11:40:13 shinohai: yes erik voorhees wants artificiall price inflation on ltc and other shitty alts to keeps his shapeshift scam afloat

11:40:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145400 @ 0.00051442 = 74.7967 BTC [+] {4}

12:05:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176600 @ 0.00050804 = 89.7199 BTC [-] {2}

12:12:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89778 @ 0.00050391 = 45.24 BTC [-] {4}

12:13:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 269920 @ 0.00050108 = 135.2515 BTC [-] {4}

12:14:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29602 @ 0.00049732 = 14.7217 BTC [-] {2}

12:19:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91260 @ 0.00052873 = 48.2519 BTC [+] {2}

13:12:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132600 @ 0.00052656 = 69.8219 BTC [-] {2}

13:13:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111500 @ 0.00049953 = 55.6976 BTC [-]

13:46:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45005 @ 0.00051582 = 23.2145 BTC [+]

14:31:40 gernika: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198376 << No nothing good. It was a centralized blockchain with reversible transactions using a custom implementation of ECC.

14:31:40 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 05:37:43; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198008 << anything good ?

14:31:40 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:32:55 punkman: gernika: why even have a blockchain in that thing

14:33:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81806 @ 0.00051233 = 41.9117 BTC [-]

14:33:42 gernika: punkman: So you can verify that lizardhitler approves your transaction? idk...

14:35:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.15849999 = 2.536 BTC [+] {4}

14:39:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104500 @ 0.00050798 = 53.0839 BTC [-] {2}

14:40:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133545 @ 0.00051996 = 69.4381 BTC [+] {2}

14:41:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7705 @ 0.0005274 = 4.0636 BTC [+]

14:47:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118881 @ 0.00052639 = 62.5778 BTC [-] {2}

15:09:50 punkman: El Chapo "slipped out of the prison through a rectangular passage in the shower area of his cell that led to a nearly mile-long tunnel running underneath the prison"

15:11:31 punkman: "Soldiers occupied Mexico City’s international airport, flights were temporarily suspended at the nearby Toluca airport, near where the prison is located, and roadblocks were set up at numerous spots"

15:16:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83100 @ 0.0005292 = 43.9765 BTC [+] {4}

15:16:27 punkman: ...and derps at Brussels still can't make a decision, council meeting canceled.

15:17:10 punkman: I couldn't find any mushrooms at the market yesterday!

15:27:06 thestringpuller: qntra down?

15:30:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 207700 @ 0.00051946 = 107.8918 BTC [-] {2}

15:30:40 thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net

15:30:44 gribble: qntra.net is down

15:44:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62555 @ 0.00053573 = 33.5126 BTC [+] {2}

16:21:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00051197 = 21.2468 BTC [-]

16:27:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89400 @ 0.00052007 = 46.4943 BTC [+] {2}

16:29:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96254 @ 0.00053299 = 51.3024 BTC [+] {2}

16:30:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5166 @ 0.00053922 = 2.7856 BTC [+]

16:32:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00051197 = 24.7793 BTC [-]

16:37:22 mircea_popescu: gernika jesus wtf is wrong with people.

16:45:38 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem

16:45:40 mircea_popescu: !up twixisowned

16:50:04 mod6: !up ascii_modem

16:50:10 ascii_modem: ty mod6

16:50:14 mod6: np

16:51:59 ascii_modem: mod6 et at: i've a hypothesis: if we had parallel sig verification, miners would have a strong game-theoretic immediate incentive to seek out & use therealbitcoin nodes

16:52:28 ascii_modem: faster verif. >> less chance of orphanchaining

16:53:03 mircea_popescu: im not sure how this works ?

16:53:32 ascii_modem: have some icecream, think about this

16:54:57 mircea_popescu: i'm a miner, i can think. i run my own nodes, i run my own pool, i couldn't care less about you.

16:55:02 ascii_modem: the funny part is that only the coming of the mega-txspam could have brought this possibility about

16:55:10 mircea_popescu: i'm a miner, i can't think. i run some random derp pool, i couldn't care less about you.

16:55:11 mircea_popescu: which ?

16:55:36 ascii_modem: own nodes aha. but gotta know you're on longest chain

16:55:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10857 @ 0.00050443 = 5.4766 BTC [-] {2}

16:55:55 mircea_popescu: apparently you don't lol

16:56:09 ascii_modem: hence tuned into blks coming out of other miners

16:56:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71343 @ 0.00050105 = 35.7464 BTC [-]

16:58:34 ascii_modem: miner working on chain that's been orphaned is pissing in the wind

16:58:46 mod6: ascii_modem: qq about stator build script: I was taking a closer look at this and it seems that your version removes 'no-shared' from the openssl configuration parameters and replaces it with 'threads'. Any main reason here? I thought we needed 'no-shared'? Just curious since your script seems to work well.

16:59:00 ascii_modem: to know precisely when to stop, he listens to incoming blks

16:59:49 ascii_modem: mod6: no idea, i didn't even remember what was in your original

16:59:50 punkman: 0.5.3 getwork is not compatible with anything they use

17:00:05 ascii_modem: punkman: ?

17:02:03 punkman: will be hard to use 0.5.3 for mining at this point

17:02:13 ascii_modem: why?

17:03:04 punkman: because we don't have getblocktemplate

17:03:18 ascii_modem: so?

17:03:38 ascii_modem: workfnction has not changed!

17:03:39 mircea_popescu: so, again : if they can think they don't need you. if they can't think, they wouldn't even know you exist.

17:03:56 mircea_popescu: game theopretically, bitcoind is irrelevant for mining.

17:04:11 mircea_popescu: but do not despair : the same situation was in place back when the power rangers maintained it.

17:04:29 ascii_modem: so the few miners who use parallel ver ~waste fewer cycles on orphan chain~ and wipe the floor with the rest

17:05:02 mircea_popescu: are you like deliberately not reading ?

17:05:28 ascii_modem: expand the 'cant think'

17:05:43 mircea_popescu: you know, spend three hours mining a spv verified chain because they just don't give a fuck.

17:05:52 mircea_popescu: dumb enough to point THEIR hash at antminer or w/e

17:06:09 ascii_modem: and now the 'can think'

17:06:21 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=3 (Joe Schmuckley; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/976AAB6D6B7F325843FF0E3653C219B9D6738C5F016F72973E311181614ECAF5#928C2E1186A73348A919DFD04535B989BDD9497C80AE2DC96788955BFB99ECC9

17:06:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Crgd2e )

17:06:23 mircea_popescu: wrote own software, been doing parallel sigcheck since 2013.

17:06:31 punkman: schmuckley!

17:06:36 mod6: hah Joe Schmuckley

17:06:38 mircea_popescu: ahaha great name

17:06:57 ascii_modem: do we have any detectable sign of 'can think' existing in the wild ?

17:07:03 punkman: yes

17:07:12 mircea_popescu: depends what we means.

17:08:17 ascii_modem: and i'll point out that if these people aren't talking ~directly~ to each other, they would still be verifying at speed of slowest link

17:08:28 mircea_popescu: why wouldn't they be talking directly.

17:08:38 mircea_popescu: even the schmucks figured that one out apparently.

17:08:42 ascii_modem: 'we' being something i could read

17:09:11 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem yeah, it's on the shelf right next to the secret cypher suites, have at.

17:09:22 ascii_modem: l0lz

17:10:07 mircea_popescu: understand : unlike most usecases for software, bitcoin mining presents exactly zero incentive to share code.

17:10:12 ascii_modem: aha

17:10:13 mircea_popescu: you DO NOT benefit from more people using your software.

17:10:40 mircea_popescu: this isn't wordpress, or red hat, where you hope to make money downstream out of basically, advertising.

17:10:54 mircea_popescu: there's a revenue model in place, and traditional software paradigms plainly do not matter.

17:10:56 ascii_modem: aha it's nuke war

17:12:06 ascii_modem: i would personally be surprised to learn that anyone bothered to implement multicpu ver prior to 950+kb blocks

17:12:23 mircea_popescu: what the current outsider schmucks (on #bitcoin-dev and etc) hope to achieve with their time is, release enough code that nobody* uses to give the impression they know their shit, so they can one day maybe join the actual miners as a junior analyst, and until then survive on conference rubber chicken.

17:12:27 ascii_modem: but sure, why not

17:12:33 mircea_popescu: it's a shitty game plan, but then again there's women aspiring to be singers, so.

17:12:53 mircea_popescu: iirc the first > 500kb block was a year ago

17:13:03 ascii_modem: sure

17:13:17 ascii_modem: but it being sop - pretty new?

17:13:27 ascii_modem: needs spam

17:13:28 mircea_popescu: sop is meaningless for the aforementioned reasons

17:13:45 mircea_popescu: this isn't a field where such a thing as sop may be a defined symbol.

17:14:06 ascii_modem: just that without heavy blocks, multicpu makes no appreciable difference

17:14:24 mircea_popescu: on olne hand, you'd be surprised what is appreciable for mining

17:14:29 mircea_popescu: a quarter second is actually money

17:14:38 ascii_modem: then yes

17:14:40 mircea_popescu: on the other hand, some people do code defensively. rare but exists

17:15:34 ascii_modem: if mircea_popescu tells us that this exists alive somewhere, i'm inclined to at least consider it

17:15:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198564 << turns out.

17:15:37 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 11:30:39; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198038 < turns out you know the guy https://twitter.com/ErikVoorhees/status/619253918468444161

17:16:30 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem the gist of what i'm saying is that while foundation publishing the best code possible is a very useful and very worthy thing, you do not have game theoretic reasons to expect the things you were claiming to ewxpect

17:16:38 mircea_popescu: chiefly because that game doesn't exist, in a number of wayus.

17:16:52 ascii_modem: but will point out that we could easily have uptake among the not-quite-13373st but not the most ludicrously idiotic minerz

17:17:11 ascii_modem: with a public multicpu apparatus

17:17:17 mircea_popescu: this middle may perhaps exist, sure. sadly it's hard to observe

17:17:23 mircea_popescu: which is a very concerning thing, as it happens

17:17:39 ascii_modem: this'd be a spiffy litmus for it

17:17:46 ascii_modem: exists or not?!

17:18:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144076 @ 0.00050498 = 72.7555 BTC [+]

17:18:16 mircea_popescu: the broader problem is that the way mining works is very much discouraging middle, which is a serious problem, as death of the middle class always precedes centralization.

17:18:17 ascii_modem: would soon learn

17:18:37 mircea_popescu: the way this works is : if you're any good as a miner, you're going to have your own infrastructure. you might keep the pool closed,

17:18:44 mircea_popescu: but it also costs you nothing to keep it open

17:19:00 mircea_popescu: and so, once it's open, people that aren't every bit as good as you no longer have any incentive to continue

17:19:04 mircea_popescu: instead, they point at you.

17:19:13 mircea_popescu: this is how the current "45% of network is dumb as rocks" thing has appeared

17:19:27 mircea_popescu: it was slowly nursed over half a decade by the above unfortunate centralizing force.

17:19:56 mircea_popescu: not that this problem wasn't broadly predicted and discussed 2010-2011. the solution, predictably, from white young adult us schmucks, was "honor!1!"

17:20:00 mircea_popescu: it failed, predictably.

17:20:21 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem

17:22:22 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so you see a way to reinvigorate the middle ?

17:22:29 mircea_popescu: no.

17:22:45 ascii_modem: i've been thinking of the mechanics of miner war

17:23:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42824 @ 0.00050498 = 21.6253 BTC [+]

17:23:57 ascii_modem: none of it points anywhere but moar centralized mines

17:24:13 pete_dushenski: next to hydroelectric dams

17:24:22 mircea_popescu: there fundamentally can not be a way to organize mining that's not centralizing, BECAUSE mining is going to have to follow the same rules, as that's what it does for bitcoin : checks them.

17:24:26 ascii_modem: mno

17:24:33 ascii_modem: plastique is cheap

17:24:43 ascii_modem: dams - fragile

17:25:19 pete_dushenski: ascii_modem: 'plastique' makes me think of explosives, but that can't be what you mean ?

17:25:29 ascii_modem: what else

17:25:46 ascii_modem: what, you think they won't ?

17:25:48 pete_dushenski: aha got it now.

17:25:49 mircea_popescu: it may very well turn out that bitcoin is a case of wishful thinking, entirely being powered by the illusion that we've managed to "get free energy" for as long as this illusion that "miners can be centrally verifying in a decentralizewd manner" lasts.

17:26:21 mircea_popescu: just like, you know, "coal burns in the furnace, yet coal in the mine will never run out" or whatever

17:26:55 ascii_modem: slavecoin then.

17:27:00 mircea_popescu: goes right into the discussion re monetary incentives a week or two ago.

17:27:07 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem again with the "Honor!!11" ?

17:27:10 mircea_popescu: what is with you people!

17:27:23 ascii_modem: honor?

17:27:29 mircea_popescu: yes. what else is slave coin ?

17:27:44 ascii_modem: just a different workfunct

17:27:49 mircea_popescu: slavecoin is honorcoin,

17:27:52 mircea_popescu: no two ways about it

17:28:01 ascii_modem: i dun see it

17:28:13 mircea_popescu: why are the slaves mining ?

17:28:38 ascii_modem: because fed to ants if they slack?

17:28:44 mircea_popescu: so honor.

17:29:08 pete_dushenski: survival = honour ?

17:29:16 ascii_modem: can automate the punishment a la cokemachine

17:29:24 pete_dushenski: what is this, greece ?

17:29:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157529 @ 0.00051909 = 81.7717 BTC [+] {3}

17:29:34 mircea_popescu: even if you do. the ants are adversity. what's the definition of honorable if not "perseverent in the face of adversity" ?

17:29:35 punkman: !s slavecoin

17:30:35 assbot: : http://s.b-a.link/?q=slavecoin

17:30:35 mircea_popescu: and since an image's worth a thousand moans, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a19733372c89135be1c4ce0aad534e2d/tumblr_n8w6mezL3y1tx1yzzo1_1280.png

17:30:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrMqTg )

17:30:44 ascii_modem: is mircea_popescu posting from some planet inhabited by beings who die rather than slaving, en.masse?

17:30:58 ascii_modem: can't say i ever visited there

17:31:12 mircea_popescu: why do you think this matters ?

17:31:54 mircea_popescu: objectively, what difference can you see between the slave that mines slavecoin because otherwise the ants and the holy paladin that doesn't ravish the maid because... "he couldn't live with himself" otherwise ?

17:31:59 mircea_popescu: no difference. it's all "for honor".

17:32:26 mircea_popescu: they learned it the same way, too : by having it beaten into them as children.

17:32:51 ascii_modem: well as i understood, you contend that the ant death is 'promise, not protocol'. when i suggest that it can be protocol, answered 'they will take the ants' - no ?

17:32:58 mircea_popescu: no.

17:33:30 mircea_popescu: i answered that in not taking the ants, they're doing exactly what people proposed miners do in 2010 : "well it's centralizing but they should honorably resist"

17:33:34 mircea_popescu: sure. they'll honorably resist

17:33:37 mircea_popescu: until the body gives way.

17:33:45 mircea_popescu: which is an economic process.

17:34:23 mircea_popescu: i suppose i'm not putting enough explicit into this which i know from experience but perhaps alone. there is this thing that happens to a slave, when she's naked

17:34:24 ascii_modem: i'm posting from planet where maxint folks lived and died slaving with considerably less pushing than 'or ants!'

17:34:34 mircea_popescu: and i mean, mentally naked, not without clothes, but without any ideology

17:34:39 mircea_popescu: she can still fail.

17:35:12 mircea_popescu: not because lazy, not because princess in her own head, but simply because there's an end to things. at which point she gets the ants.

17:35:31 ascii_modem: ah - that!

17:35:33 mircea_popescu: but up until that point... the whole charade had been powered by her trying to deny this. which is substantially what honor is.

17:35:54 ascii_modem: so next one picks up the hashng

17:36:04 ascii_modem: when n-1th is antfood

17:36:24 mircea_popescu: turning a broken system into an extensive broken system does not fix the system.

17:36:28 mircea_popescu: what are you, stalin ?

17:36:40 mircea_popescu: "i'm making a loss on every sale but hope to make it up on volume" ?

17:36:50 ascii_modem: he did though

17:36:59 mircea_popescu: notrly.

17:37:04 mircea_popescu: even hruschev laughed at him.

17:37:10 mircea_popescu: imagine that. hruschev! O!

17:37:32 ascii_modem: except that two continents still largely run on what he built 'at a loss'

17:37:38 mircea_popescu: so ?

17:38:06 mircea_popescu: "oh, this shit's pretty stupid" "dude, ITS HUGE!!"

17:38:09 mircea_popescu: what are you, from redmond ?

17:38:16 ascii_modem: h's laughter was the laugh of hyena eating the dead lion

17:38:22 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

17:38:34 mircea_popescu: imo that'd be more like beria, but anyway

17:38:46 ascii_modem: the lot of'em

17:38:55 mircea_popescu: like... you ?

17:39:08 mircea_popescu: or just them, the lot of them, up to an unspecified and unspecifiable border

17:39:30 ascii_modem: i'm a flea on a rat who ate hyena who....

17:39:53 ascii_modem: how else.

17:39:55 pete_dushenski: ....father bought for two tzutzim

17:40:04 ascii_modem: ^

17:40:07 mircea_popescu: lol

17:40:19 mircea_popescu: i dunno, i dun feel cosubstantial with the idiots of the past.

17:40:25 mircea_popescu: maybe another case of wishful thinking.

17:40:38 ascii_modem: i wish i did not

17:40:50 ascii_modem: but reality gets in the way

17:41:05 mircea_popescu: (this term, which probably does not exist in english, should probably be very much akin the xtian practice of eating crackers)

17:41:28 ascii_modem: i've never lived in anything but the ribcages of long-dead dragons.

17:41:53 *: pete_dushenski idem

17:42:46 mircea_popescu: this is fascinating. perhaps the only advantage of being romanian, but also perhaps the only advantage that could truly be called an advantage

17:43:06 mircea_popescu: you get to be the first dragon, for lack of notable historical anything.

17:43:59 pete_dushenski: but what of 'transylvania mops the floor with rest of country' ?

17:44:06 pete_dushenski: what is that if not history ?

17:44:46 mircea_popescu: so the anteaters won the battle with the lemurs ?

17:44:56 mircea_popescu: yay. you kidding me, these shits stand two feet tall

17:46:17 pete_dushenski: mebbe.

17:46:42 mircea_popescu: there were like.... maaaybe two notable romanians. one was german

17:46:44 mircea_popescu: the other was greek.

17:46:48 pete_dushenski: but that shit was still the mold for the dragon.

17:47:05 pete_dushenski: or at least his fertilizer

17:47:22 mircea_popescu: color me skeptical.

17:47:37 pete_dushenski: so you're to be the first notable romanian in history then ?

17:47:45 pete_dushenski: 'romanian' romanina

17:48:05 pete_dushenski: *romanian

17:48:14 mircea_popescu: i dunno that i'm all that romanian, tbh.

17:48:47 ascii_modem: l0l

17:48:58 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: than how do you have 'advantage' ?

17:49:02 ascii_modem: where then

17:49:13 mircea_popescu: how did that quote go, "In confronting that which they feared, he had become something else in their eyes...and no longer their champion."

17:49:42 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski there's an equivocation at work tho.

17:51:05 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_modem

17:51:48 ascii_modem: what next, vlad t. also not romanian !?

17:52:18 pete_dushenski: thus is the fluidity of nationality as a concept

17:52:33 pete_dushenski: it's there when you need it and tucked away when you don't

17:52:41 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem pretty certain he was a basarabi

17:52:53 mircea_popescu: which is an ancient pecenegian clan. about as romanian as it gets.

17:53:05 ascii_modem: aha

17:54:46 mircea_popescu: (pecenegs are a turkic people, migrated in the 500s)

17:55:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, what i meant was merely that i don't generally seem very romanian to romanians themselves

17:55:59 mircea_popescu: chiefly on the grounds of not subscribing to various idiocies that there as anywhere constitute the spirit of propriety.

17:56:52 pete_dushenski: that adverse response by 'the locals' is almost the entrance exam for la serenissima

17:56:56 mircea_popescu: best anecdote to illustrate this being, of course, that i had a (us born) woman over, many years ago, and she made some local friends (clueless kids all excioted about this english speaking american woman that knows computers and with nary an idea about the world around them)

17:57:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00050932 = 13.5734 BTC [-]

17:57:13 mircea_popescu: so then when i wanted to meet them she arranged a meeting and they were liek "oh, he's definitely not romanian"

17:57:13 pete_dushenski: if you're 'one of the gang' you're not using your noodle well enough

17:57:25 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, i actually owned the town and their sorry asses to boot. but hey.

17:58:07 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you gotta appreciate, at least at the time, being romanian was, to romanians, mostly a derogation.

17:58:27 mircea_popescu: ie, the first step to establish if some item sucked was, "is it romanian made ?" for if it were...

17:58:38 ascii_modem: orcish sop

17:58:45 pete_dushenski: yes, i recall the 'working for foreign company' prestige

17:58:52 ascii_modem: same in ru (of the period)

17:59:20 pete_dushenski: strangely in usa right now, 'made in america' is mark of pride.

17:59:33 ascii_modem: aha

17:59:38 pete_dushenski: basically because corn doesn't have country of manufacture stamp

17:59:41 ascii_modem: at least if not car

17:59:52 pete_dushenski: so finished goods are rarity

17:59:53 mircea_popescu: yeah, as in all dead empires. caragiale notes the case of the 1900s hungarian who declares that he'd rather eat soap wrapped in the hungarian flag than cheese in plain white paper.

18:00:03 ascii_modem: mno

18:00:04 pete_dushenski: the cars are basically corn at this point. see 'bioplastics'

18:00:35 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone know the fascinating story of one guadalupe leija serrano ?

18:01:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109950 @ 0.00051082 = 56.1647 BTC [+] {2}

18:01:10 mircea_popescu: this was a woman, married, with children. to a drug cartel boss. whose enemies sent a slick kid to seduce her, which the kid did. and he convinced her to withdraw millions of $ from her husband's secret stashes in the us

18:01:16 mircea_popescu: after which, beheaded her, and sent him the head.

18:01:24 mircea_popescu: how is such a great story not in hollywood i wish to know.

18:01:46 mircea_popescu: first mexican beheading, a woman. not empowering enough for the derpstablishment ?

18:01:55 pete_dushenski: more like bollywood material

18:01:55 ascii_modem: made in usa at this time (if not car) means that labour was ruinously expensive - and so there was no sense in saving five cents to make all the parts 'zamac'

18:02:02 pete_dushenski: speaking of which : "Mexico's most notorious drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman broke out of a high security prison on Saturday night for the second time, escaping in a tunnel built right under his cell"

18:02:04 mircea_popescu: !up bosma

18:02:23 mircea_popescu: yeah punkman put it in earlier

18:02:37 pete_dushenski: my bad.

18:02:44 punkman: pete_dushenski: and the US officials are angry http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/12/politics/el-chapo-escape-us-officials-angry/

18:02:46 assbot: U.S. officials angry over Chapo escape in Mexico - CNNPolitics.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Shfqs5 )

18:02:46 ascii_modem: neato

18:03:12 punkman: oh noes he will rape us harder now

18:03:15 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and 'first' mexican beheading ? what of aztecs playing soccer with heads of enemies ?

18:03:18 mircea_popescu: who asked them anything ?

18:03:21 ascii_modem: wake me up when he puts put cigars in ashtray made from usitler's skull

18:03:24 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski well, modernly.

18:03:35 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem you sleep too much.

18:04:35 ascii_modem: not enough

18:04:46 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well aren't we just the largest, bestest bitcoin company evar ;)

18:05:04 mircea_popescu: lol

18:05:15 mircea_popescu: hey, "aztec" !==== "mexican" k ?

18:05:36 pete_dushenski: mayan ? i always confuse them lol

18:07:00 pete_dushenski: p.s. where's qntra ? i have a bullet in the chamber

18:07:18 punkman: qntra and search down here

18:07:54 ascii_modem: perhaps the people-who-dont-matter things-that-make-no-difference-d them?

18:08:20 punkman: heh

18:10:18 ascii_modem: back to the mexican fella - in a very important sense he is more dependent on usg staying in business than a u.s. post office director

18:10:42 ascii_modem: no 'war on drugz' - no sinaloa

18:11:15 ascii_modem: unless can retool for slave trade

18:13:11 pete_dushenski: and vice versa. co-dependent relationship between 'war' and sinoloa

18:14:00 pete_dushenski: this was also lafond's point in the walmart piece.

18:14:36 pete_dushenski: that communities must be destroyed and middle class businesses bankrupted in order to fuel fight against nouns

18:18:21 punkman: ascii_modem: unless can retool for slave trade << you think they won't find new business?

18:21:08 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

18:21:09 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 308.26, Best ask: 308.27, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 308.27, 24 hour volume: 59155.72683874, 24 hour low: 291.81, 24 hour high: 316.23, 24 hour vwap: None

18:29:14 pete_dushenski: https://bitcoin.org/en/release/v0.11.0 << derps still derpin', giving "the community" more options that no one will use, least of all the miners.

18:29:15 assbot: Bitcoin Core version 0.11.0 released ... ( http://bit.ly/1ShhoZp )

18:30:49 pete_dushenski: highlight : "Block pruning allows Bitcoin Core to delete the raw block and undo data once it’s been validated and used to build the databases. "

18:32:28 pete_dushenski: "The minimum was chosen so that Bitcoin Core will be able to maintain at least 288 blocks on disk (two days worth of blocks at 10 minutes per block). In rare instances it is possible that the amount of space used will exceed the pruning target in order to keep the required last 288 blocks on disk." << RARE !

18:32:46 punkman: I'm working on some bitcoind debug improvements, I'm losing count of all the different printing functions

18:33:25 pete_dushenski: "Block pruning works during initial sync in the same way as during steady state, by deleting block files “as you go” whenever disk space is allocated. Thus, if the user specifies 550MB, once that level is reached the program will begin deleting the oldest block and undo files, while continuing to download the blockchain."

18:33:35 pete_dushenski: ^some funky shit, this.

18:34:28 punkman: paving the way for bigger blocks?

18:36:03 pete_dushenski: the 'dev' aren't paving their way towards anything.

18:36:44 pete_dushenski: every road they've built thus far has resulted in them chasing the roadrunner well after they'd already passed the edge of the cliff

18:37:05 punkman: sure

18:37:06 pete_dushenski: once in a while they realize that there's no ground under their feet.

18:37:19 pete_dushenski: and they apologize and 'fix' and blah blah

18:37:39 pete_dushenski: much to the delight of redditards

18:37:46 pete_dushenski: and much to our continued bemusement

18:38:17 pete_dushenski: and then they come back with another 'acme' product with which to catch that elusive little bird.

18:38:40 pete_dushenski: gavin and hearn are really cartoon characters

18:38:53 pete_dushenski: not even 'come to life', just plain ol' fashioned cartoon characters

18:40:03 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/charlieshrem/status/620241950193643520 << bwahah trading smokes and buttlove for btc now !

18:42:31 pete_dushenski: https://www.bitcoin.com/en/bitcoin-news/1890688665366203630-how-to-get-paid-for-spreading-bitcoin << make money in your sleep !

18:42:32 assbot: Bitcoin.com - Daily Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ShijJo )

18:42:40 pete_dushenski: " How to help spread Bitcoin awareness while earning money at the same time."

18:43:06 pete_dushenski: basically, arbitrage starbucks gift card deals

18:44:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48550 @ 0.00052935 = 25.6999 BTC [+] {2}

18:47:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10714 @ 0.00052796 = 5.6566 BTC [-]

19:01:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74650 @ 0.00052638 = 39.2943 BTC [-] {2}

19:02:14 pete_dushenski: !up ani

19:02:18 pete_dushenski: !up anig

19:03:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2824 @ 0.00052027 = 1.4692 BTC [-]

19:33:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21133 @ 0.00052027 = 10.9949 BTC [-]

20:00:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153050 @ 0.00053598 = 82.0317 BTC [+] {2}

20:06:27 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/xgadx

20:06:28 assbot: yishan comments on What's the best "long con" you ever pulled? ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVwVOW )

20:22:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55500 @ 0.00052027 = 28.875 BTC [-]

20:32:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00051911 = 16.4298 BTC [-] {2}

20:36:46 *: ben_vulpes is sitting at the glider port

20:36:59 ben_vulpes: $bizpartner is going to shoop us around in a fiberglass meattube

20:42:38 BingoBoingo: nice

20:42:52 BingoBoingo: Watch out for drones

20:43:03 jurov: and geese

20:46:50 BingoBoingo: ;;isup qntra.net

20:46:54 gribble: qntra.net is down

20:46:57 BingoBoingo: ^ :(

20:47:27 decimation: ben_vulpes: sounds like fun, good luck

20:47:55 phf: i just did tandem paragliding at la jolla couple days ago, lots of fun

20:51:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68800 @ 0.00051843 = 35.668 BTC [-]

20:57:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226000 @ 0.00051011 = 115.2849 BTC [-] {3}

20:59:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27935 @ 0.0005234 = 14.6212 BTC [+]

21:01:13 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198592 <<< seems to still be down as of my waking up

21:01:13 assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 15:27:06; thestringpuller: qntra down?

21:05:29 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

21:05:35 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 308.44, vol: 22095.17486434 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 305.085, vol: 11840.51127 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 308.48, vol: 59735.86157865 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 312.0, vol: 9.70670778 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 315.00777, vol: 24737.37490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 306.17251, vol: 138.4311849 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 310.1339889, vol: 184.89998436 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

21:05:37 BingoBoingo: ;;more

21:05:37 gribble: average: 309.49411592

21:06:38 decimation: wow btcusd is on a roll

21:11:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52015 @ 0.0005234 = 27.2247 BTC [+]

21:22:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79800 @ 0.0005364 = 42.8047 BTC [+]

21:37:41 mircea_popescu: <ascii_modem> no 'war on drugz' - no sinaloa << dude, forget it. he was there before the us, he'll be there after.

21:37:54 mircea_popescu: this mental masturbation of inserting us into things as if it matters. it doesn't.

21:37:56 mircea_popescu: never has.

21:37:58 mircea_popescu: never will.

21:39:16 mircea_popescu: punkman "let's put the blockchain into such a state it's no longer a blochcain"

21:39:28 mircea_popescu: no fucking idea what they think it'll do, not like we don't have original copies.

21:40:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah dunno wtf that host is doing

21:40:42 mircea_popescu: ;;isup qntra.net

21:40:43 gribble: qntra.net is up

21:41:20 shinohai: \o/

21:43:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00053515 = 18.2486 BTC [-]

21:46:05 shinohai: $ticker

21:58:16 decimation: my conversation with luke on friday night was enough to convince me that the bitcoin devs 'know what they are doing'

21:59:04 decimation: they think they can arbitrage their github commit credentials into power over bitcoin

22:04:40 shinohai: lolz http://cloudminr.io/

22:04:41 assbot: cloudminr.io users database for sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1IU774R )

22:09:06 kakobrekla: yup, thats the business model.

22:09:36 decimation: was that a 'cloud mining' business that has gone 'full scam'?

22:10:50 kakobrekla: looking at this, https://archive.is/cloudminr.io , its full scam going full scam

22:10:51 assbot: cloudminr.io: users database for sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1IU7z2T )

22:15:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128391 @ 0.00053149 = 68.2385 BTC [-] {2}

22:17:55 decimation: that's hilarious

22:18:01 decimation: takes chutzpah

22:18:37 decimation: http://joannenova.com.au/2015/07/the-99-99-pure-climate-consensus-how-to-ignore-thousands-of-skeptical-scientists/ "One fan, James Powell, was so enthused he spent nine months reading titles and abstracts of 24,000 papers, and found only four scientists (4!) who didn’t agree with the consensus. Some 69,402 other scientists apparently endorse “the consensus” (whatever it is) because they used the terms “climate change”, or ??

22:18:42 assbot: The 99.99% pure climate consensus – how to ignore thousands of skeptical scientists « JoNova ... ( http://bit.ly/1IU89O8 )

22:20:13 decimation: related: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150709092955.htm "A new model of the Sun's solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun's 11-year heartbeat. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone. Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to

22:20:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IU8hwZ )

22:23:30 mircea_popescu: heh.

22:24:31 jurov: http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2015/08/features/moores-law/viewall

22:24:32 assbot: After Moore's Law: how phones are becoming open-source (Wired UK) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ShGpUn )

22:24:39 *: jurov expects asciilifeform to shoot holes in it ^

22:25:36 jurov: tl;dr: "chinese are still competitive at 40nm due to moore's stalling"

22:27:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151344 @ 0.00053608 = 81.1325 BTC [+] {2}

22:27:49 decimation: this is the same stuff bunnie has been selling for awhile

22:27:51 jurov: !t m s.mpoe

22:27:52 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00049705 / 0.00052663 / 0.00055436 (9040275 shares, 4,760.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00049302 / 0.00053002 / 0.0005789 (24834822 shares, 13,162.96 BTC), 30D: 0.0003539 / 0.00046213 / 0.0005789 (91786996 shares, 42,417.63 BTC)

22:28:02 jurov: who's bunnie?

22:28:07 decimation: I wonder if they have open source baseband firmware

22:28:19 decimation: the author of your linked article

22:30:13 decimation: ascii would probably emphasize the signficant distance between schmatic of iphone pcb and an actual 'full model' of how iphone works - and the even further distance between that and something 'hand verifyible'

22:30:29 decimation: except he would spell properly

22:31:04 jurov: yes he'd say 'iPnohe'

22:31:52 jurov: but anyway, what i'm interested in, that maybe really 10nm fab is not needed and lesser process would suffice

22:52:47 phf: jurov: bunnie's mostly famous for reverse engineering first xbox http://hackingthexbox.com, and recently designing novena laptop

22:55:49 punkman: "Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s" doesn't sound like a good time to be settling in northern latitudes

23:03:36 scoopbot_revived: Scamazon. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/12/scamazon/

23:07:32 PeterL: howdy all

23:29:23 ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/r0gv5oQ

23:29:24 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzfXne )

23:39:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69350 @ 0.0005352 = 37.1161 BTC [-] {2}

23:40:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102600 @ 0.00053962 = 55.365 BTC [+] {3}

23:47:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110950 @ 0.00053423 = 59.2728 BTC [-]

23:56:50 scoopbot_revived: US Missiles Carry Out "unexplained" Commands in the Field http://qntra.net/2015/07/us-missiles-carry-out-unexplained-commands-in-the-field/