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00:00:06 mjr_: so, we can agree, you don't care about the changes, they don't affect you, they are irrelevant

00:00:13 mjr_: they may cease to exist

00:00:14 mircea_popescu: what's logically impossible is to imagine the bitcoin protocol is something that extends all the way to your soup.

00:00:18 mjr_: they may be misguided or stupid

00:00:21 mjr_: but they are changes

00:00:31 mjr_: huh?

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00:00:37 BingoBoingo: !b 357

00:00:41 mjr_: i didn't bring up soup

00:00:46 mjr_: i am talking about running diff on code

00:00:53 mjr_: easy way to see if things have changed

00:00:55 mircea_popescu: protocol is not code.

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00:01:03 BingoBoingo: !b 3

00:01:06 mjr_: ok...and if i add acceptable messages to a protocol

00:01:09 mjr_: that protocol changed

00:01:18 mjr_: for example, you added commands to mpex

00:01:27 mjr_: that changed the protocol of what messages were acceptable to mpex

00:01:36 mjr_: this is simple

00:01:39 mjr_: and i can do it all day

00:01:41 mircea_popescu: notrly. it only changed it when old ones stopped working.

00:01:43 mjr_: ok

00:01:47 mjr_: so you only changed it

00:01:49 mjr_: the protocol

00:01:52 mjr_: for a good reason

00:01:55 mjr_: you changed it

00:02:01 mircea_popescu: well sure. it's mine to change.

00:02:04 mjr_: yes

00:02:08 mjr_: and bitcoin is the miners to change

00:02:14 mircea_popescu: not so fast there :)

00:02:14 mjr_: and they have

00:02:18 mjr_: many times

00:02:29 mircea_popescu: notrly.

00:02:45 mjr_: for fucks sake, there was a fork in the fucking blockchain because people didn't agree on which version to use

00:02:57 mircea_popescu: and the new version died.

00:02:59 mjr_: how could you have a clearer example of the protocol changing

00:03:02 mjr_: ok...

00:03:05 mjr_: but it did change

00:03:10 mjr_: and there was a conflict

00:03:11 mircea_popescu: mno. change died.

00:03:16 mjr_: what died

00:03:21 mjr_: the change that happened?

00:03:26 mjr_: how can something thta doesn't exist die

00:03:29 mircea_popescu: anyway, here's the story : i hire you to lay bricks for me. that's your job.

00:03:32 mircea_popescu: one day you come with a hat

00:03:35 mircea_popescu: the next day without

00:03:38 mircea_popescu: the third wioth a hangover

00:03:39 mjr_: thats a change

00:03:42 mjr_: each day

00:03:44 mircea_popescu: you figure your job has changed each day ?

00:03:49 xmj: lol

00:03:51 mjr_: no, my ability to do my job

00:03:57 mircea_popescu: one day job was "lay bricks with hat", the next" lay bricks without hat" ?

00:04:00 mjr_: how you would describe me to someone who you wanted to find me

00:04:02 mjr_: yes

00:04:12 mjr_: find my employee, he is the guy laying bricks wearing a hat

00:04:20 mircea_popescu: well so there you go. you wish o matter personally, but i don't give a shit. im your employer not your lover.

00:04:20 mjr_: that description is no longer valid on a different day

00:04:25 mircea_popescu: all i see is the bricks laid.

00:04:31 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: thx guys something went south during server swtich

00:04:34 mjr_: no...

00:04:40 mjr_: i am saying that right now, i can use multisig

00:04:44 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You're welcom

00:04:49 mjr_: the job that is done has new possibilties

00:04:58 mjr_: i can lay bricks or i can lay cinder blocks

00:05:02 mjr_: but you think i can only lay bricks

00:05:06 mjr_: and you only want bricks

00:05:09 mjr_: thats good for you

00:05:11 mircea_popescu: mjr_ you could multisig before you.

00:05:22 godovo: wow

00:05:36 mjr_: i'm not saying that you have to change, i am saying that new features are added

00:05:38 mjr_: that is a fact

00:05:43 mjr_: you don't have to use them

00:05:47 mjr_: you don't have to notice or care

00:05:51 mjr_: that doesn't change reality

00:06:02 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: it's was all BingoBoingo :)

00:06:02 mjr_: there are new features that the bitcoin protocol allows

00:06:03 mircea_popescu: reality is not what some derps somewhere feel is the case.

00:06:07 mjr_: no

00:06:08 pete_dushenski: it*

00:06:10 mjr_: reality is the state of the world

00:06:14 mjr_: the state of the network

00:06:20 mjr_: i don't give a shit about a derp saying anything

00:06:28 mircea_popescu: cool. so then there we go.

00:06:29 mjr_: i give a shit about a transaction crafted a certain way included in ablock

00:06:38 mjr_: and those transactions, that you say don't exist

00:06:40 mjr_: are in blocks

00:06:47 mircea_popescu: you can put any random data in blocks.

00:06:52 mjr_: so either, things that are recorded in a block don't matter

00:06:55 mircea_popescu: including pictures of twelve year olds taking horse cock.

00:06:57 mjr_: you could call all of the data random

00:06:58 mircea_popescu: this was done already.

00:07:05 mircea_popescu: not all of it, no.

00:07:08 mjr_: i could view all of the blockchain as random

00:07:09 mjr_: yes i could

00:07:26 mjr_: it is statistically possible to get that arrangement of bits by chance

00:07:35 mjr_: we choose to ascribe meaning to this configuration

00:07:49 mjr_: from this meaning, we can maintain records

00:07:58 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Fix so I can do "Robin Williams DIY Project" ad buy

00:08:01 mjr_: and new records are allowed in, and are accepted as being records

00:08:18 mjr_: if that is not the case, then none of bitcoin protocol matters, because it is subjective

00:08:29 mjr_: i don't think your tx is anything other than random data

00:08:29 mircea_popescu: that'd be where you're wrong.

00:08:40 mircea_popescu: it matters precisely because it is subjective, and accepted.

00:08:44 mjr_: yes

00:08:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.01236309 = 1.2363 BTC [+] {4}

00:08:52 mjr_: and those features you don't like are accepted and valid

00:08:53 mircea_popescu: this is what renders the subjective but unaccepted parts irrelevant.

00:08:57 mircea_popescu: not by me.

00:09:12 mircea_popescu: and until the day they're accepted by me, they don't exist.

00:09:15 mircea_popescu: this is how this works.

00:09:16 mjr_: i, perhaps the only one, do not judge bitcoins protocol by what you find valid

00:09:27 mjr_: i judge it based on what i need, and what i can do

00:09:31 mircea_popescu: well apparently you judge it by what you find valid.

00:09:37 mjr_: ok...

00:09:38 mjr_: lets say

00:09:40 mircea_popescu: right. good for you.

00:09:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 207 @ 0.01239 = 2.5647 BTC [+]

00:09:49 mircea_popescu: so your bitcoin has changed, mine hasn't, there we go.

00:09:52 mjr_: that if i send a multisig tx to someone, they will in return send me 1,000,000 bitcoin

00:10:01 mjr_: i do it, i get the money

00:10:02 mircea_popescu: that someone won;'t be me.

00:10:06 mjr_: nope, it won't

00:10:08 mircea_popescu: so go talk to them :)

00:10:12 mjr_: do i care? not at all

00:10:18 mjr_: the market decides what features are in bitcoin

00:10:21 mjr_: same as it always has

00:10:24 mircea_popescu: again ?

00:10:33 mjr_: and if i need to do business with you

00:10:44 mjr_: i can work with the limited subset of the protocol you find valid

00:11:01 mjr_: there is no reason why people can't send floppy disks to people who have the right converters

00:11:03 mircea_popescu: "the market" doesn't decide jack shit. if "the market" decides things, we might as well make coinbase the new fed and welcome wall street on their own terms.

00:11:10 mjr_: it is still a valid form of recording data

00:11:23 mjr_: if the market thinks that is a good idea :)

00:11:27 mjr_: i don't have to though

00:11:32 mircea_popescu: fuck it sideways and good riddance.

00:11:35 mjr_: i agree

00:11:40 mjr_: again

00:11:53 mjr_: i believe you conflate backwards compatible, or option with identical

00:11:55 mircea_popescu: so, yeah. the market may decide anything it wants for just as long as it stays strictly within what i find paltable. that';s how this thing works.

00:11:58 mjr_: i have an option to use multisig

00:12:00 mjr_: i don't have to

00:12:15 mjr_: yeah, you use the parts of it that you like, and don't use the parts you don't

00:12:19 xmj: i have an option to have a girlfriend

00:12:20 mircea_popescu: you have an option to do whatever the fuck it is you want to do at all junctures anyway.

00:12:21 xmj: i don't have to

00:12:25 xmj: - every nerd

00:12:27 mjr_: maybe i overly jump to your hyperbole

00:12:41 mjr_: why not just go ahead and say that bitpay doesn't exist?

00:12:43 mircea_popescu: notably, you could have used multisig at any point starting in 2009, and plenty of people did.

00:12:43 mjr_: or altcoins

00:12:48 mjr_: yeah, you could have

00:12:50 mircea_popescu: you can share keys and whatnot with or without bitcoin.

00:12:54 mjr_: you also could have sent coins to an ip address

00:13:02 mjr_: remember that?

00:13:11 mjr_: i cannot now send coins to an ip address

00:13:13 mircea_popescu: and if one day they include a weather service in some client, that'll be about as much change.

00:13:18 mjr_: i agree

00:13:22 mjr_: in other words, a change

00:13:26 mjr_: which was my point

00:13:38 mjr_: but if i only wanted to be able to send to ip addresses

00:13:42 mjr_: if that was my core feature set

00:13:44 mjr_: i'd be an idiot

00:13:47 mircea_popescu: that was an actual fork.

00:13:47 xmj: when will bitcoind be able to read/send email?

00:13:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 68 @ 0.02523161 = 1.7157 BTC [-]

00:13:58 mjr_: but also, someone who can't actually use the network for what i want

00:14:03 mjr_: how can you fork without changing?

00:14:04 mircea_popescu: and a welcome one at that. fucking ip addresses nuttery.

00:14:08 mjr_: i agree

00:14:14 mjr_: so get rid of a stupid features

00:14:19 mjr_: sounds like a good CHANGE

00:14:25 mircea_popescu: satoshi did that you know.

00:14:28 mjr_: i know

00:14:31 mjr_: i don't suck his dick

00:14:33 mircea_popescu: well it makes a difference.

00:14:36 mjr_: he made tons of mistakes

00:14:39 mjr_: and lots of good stuff

00:14:47 mircea_popescu: yeah, but he was also the only one with the authority to make changes.

00:14:49 mjr_: overall, way more good

00:14:51 mjr_: WAS

00:14:54 mjr_: and gave that up

00:14:56 mircea_popescu: exaclty.

00:14:58 xmj: again i want to mention the NSA => satoshi article

00:15:00 mjr_: in fact

00:15:01 mircea_popescu: no further satoshi, no further changes.

00:15:04 mjr_: passed that down to gavin

00:15:04 mircea_popescu: end of story.

00:15:05 xmj: and i'm perfectly too lazy to copypaste it.

00:15:07 mircea_popescu: nope.

00:15:19 mjr_: well...apparently the legions of the faithful didn't know that

00:15:25 mircea_popescu: tough for them.

00:15:29 mjr_: because they have been letting gavin make tons of changes

00:15:34 mjr_: which the miners faithfully run

00:15:40 mjr_: and derps use

00:15:48 mjr_: doesn't mean you have to

00:15:51 mircea_popescu: is deepbit still on 0.3.x ?

00:15:52 mjr_: doesn't affect you

00:15:57 mjr_: no clue

00:16:07 mjr_: i agree with you

00:16:14 mjr_: that they can add what ever fuckery they want

00:16:19 mjr_: as long as they don't affect the things i use

00:16:24 mjr_: i could care less

00:16:32 mjr_: start greenaddresses or purpleaddresses

00:16:40 mjr_: i don't care, as long as i can generate my own address whenever i want

00:16:45 mjr_: and do business with who i want

00:16:48 mjr_: but...

00:16:48 xmj: !up godovo

00:16:58 mjr_: i won't say that things i see don't exiest

00:17:03 mjr_: i will say they are stupid

00:17:07 mjr_: and there is a better way

00:17:17 mjr_: but you can't call something stupid if it doesn't exist...

00:17:22 mjr_: and i know how you love to call things stupid...

00:17:36 mircea_popescu: what are you talking about ? abstractions don't exist they get called stupid all the time

00:17:47 mjr_: its a stupid idea

00:17:56 mjr_: the idea exists

00:18:00 mjr_: in fact, physically

00:18:04 mircea_popescu: eh get out.

00:18:17 mjr_: there is an arragement of neurons in a certain configuration in some physical space

00:18:18 BingoBoingo: gavin http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/05/the-idiocrats/

00:18:20 assbot: The Idiocrats | Bingo Blog

00:18:27 mjr_: so...ideas are not magic

00:18:30 mjr_: any more than thoughts

00:18:32 mjr_: they exist

00:18:35 xmj: godovo: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-suspected-be-nsa-cia-project-1460439

00:18:36 assbot: Bitcoin 'Conspiracy Theory' Alleges Virtual Currency is NSA or CIA Project

00:18:39 mjr_: like anything else that can be interacted with

00:18:42 mjr_: lol

00:18:43 xmj: godovo: take it with a tablespoon of salt.

00:18:43 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/ThatEricAlper/status/498973900102197248/photo/1 << robin williams on canada

00:18:44 assbot: Robin Williams on Canada. http://t.co/3DZPIudUIT

00:18:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 60 @ 0.022 = 1.32 BTC

00:19:19 mjr_: anyway, i really don't understand your point

00:19:26 mjr_: and i feel like i have belabored mine

00:19:31 pete_dushenski: mjr_: this much, we know

00:19:35 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Canada http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Gale_Boetticher

00:19:35 assbot: Gale Boetticher - Breaking Bad Wiki

00:19:36 mjr_: and i didn't want to talk about this anyway

00:19:46 mjr_: i really just wanted to look at options prices to figure out if i could arb something

00:19:56 mjr_: and mpex.co doesn't work for me now, so i found the other site

00:20:06 mjr_: but i still want to know what derps are

00:20:17 mjr_: also, i don't know who the fuck most of these people are anymore

00:20:27 mjr_: besides mircea_popescu and kakobrekla

00:20:41 mircea_popescu: mjr_ btw mpex.co is back too

00:20:41 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: heh i recognize him as the cuckold husband from flight of the conchords

00:20:44 mjr_: cool

00:20:57 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: World's nicest meth cook

00:21:02 mjr_: btw, you heard about my new job?

00:21:11 mjr_: i expected to be made fun of a bit more

00:21:11 mircea_popescu: nope ?

00:21:16 mjr_: work at bitfinex

00:21:18 mircea_popescu: were you working for bitpay or ?

00:21:19 mircea_popescu: ahahah

00:21:21 mjr_: lol

00:21:25 mircea_popescu: what do you do there ?

00:21:31 mjr_: vp of biz dev (don't laugh)

00:21:35 mjr_: i get to do what i want

00:21:42 mircea_popescu: how much do you get paid ?

00:21:42 mjr_: program, try new things

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00:21:42 kakobrekla: !b 2

00:21:45 mjr_: enough

00:21:46 kakobrekla: bleh

00:21:57 mjr_: as long as i get to do what i want

00:22:00 mjr_: i don't care

00:22:02 mircea_popescu: i c.

00:22:08 mjr_: i wanna tell you about my other project though

00:22:09 xmj: mjr_: xmj.me

00:22:11 xmj: go read

00:22:11 mjr_: not btc related lol

00:22:17 pete_dushenski: mjr_: does "biz dev" entail trading into your own orders?

00:22:22 mjr_: hahaha

00:22:23 mjr_: nope

00:22:26 xmj: bummer

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00:22:46 pete_dushenski: !b 4

00:22:59 mircea_popescu: so how are the numbers, still 25% default rates etc ?

00:23:13 mjr_: defaults?

00:23:23 mjr_: no one defaults

00:23:31 mjr_: at least if you mean on the lending market

00:23:36 mircea_popescu: o nm, i had it conflated with btcjam

00:23:38 mjr_: yeah

00:23:39 mjr_: lol

00:23:45 mjr_: i wouldn't put my money there

00:23:46 mircea_popescu: bitfinex still exists ?!

00:23:48 mircea_popescu: wow.

00:23:48 mjr_: hahaha

00:23:52 mjr_: thanks

00:24:24 mjr_: always great to come back home to bitcoin-assets

00:24:51 mjr_: how'd it go in romania? i was pissed i couldn't make it

00:24:59 mircea_popescu: last i recall it was https://bitcointa.lk/threads/scam-tag-request-user-unclescrooge-founder-and-operator-of-bitfinex-com.133691/

00:24:59 assbot: [scam tag request] user unclescrooge founder and operator of bitfinex.com | Bitcointa.lk

00:24:59 pete_dushenski: "Dry excavation work in the new Suez Canal commenced on Sunday as three thousand trucks and loaders in addition to 7,500 workers began work on site," << suez canal 2.0 !

00:25:10 mjr_: don't know about that

00:25:18 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski omfg you gave me a moment of pause cause i thought your line's assbot's

00:25:23 mjr_: no lender has lost money, we have never been hacked

00:25:26 mjr_: we put up orders

00:25:29 mjr_: people trade on them

00:25:36 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lel

00:25:45 mjr_: as far as exchanges go, i think we are pretty good

00:25:56 mjr_: don't know of many other exchanges i like better, its why i went to work for them

00:26:02 mjr_: bitstamp?

00:26:04 mjr_: no thanks

00:26:10 mjr_: can't give back an order id on a trade

00:26:21 mjr_: but i guess i am "advanced" in that respect

00:26:36 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'd love to read the canaltalkforums where all the "business ceos" go to ipo for their new dig projects and special usg contracts

00:26:36 mjr_: one of the US exchanges? with a proctology exam for free?

00:26:55 mjr_: i'm in panama!

00:26:57 mjr_: is that a thing?

00:27:06 mircea_popescu: mjr_ still running the bitcoinica codebase ?

00:27:10 mjr_: nope

00:27:13 mircea_popescu: or finally got rid of that ?

00:27:16 mjr_: hahaha

00:27:31 mjr_: think that maybe the idea was similar, but don't think the execution was similar

00:27:32 pete_dushenski: mjr_: it is now. please to send 1 btc for private invitation to join

00:27:41 pete_dushenski: pm for address

00:27:46 mjr_: i'm good

00:27:48 mjr_: thanks though

00:27:55 mjr_: xmj: what was that about?

00:27:56 pete_dushenski: your loss

00:27:58 mjr_: i read about you

00:28:05 mjr_: but didn't know in what context to read

00:28:14 mjr_: cool that you do free_bsd

00:28:23 mjr_: i like debian personally

00:28:50 mjr_: mircea_popescu: so, how is the game going?

00:28:51 xmj: mjr_: you said "03:20:19 <+mjr_> also, i don't know who the fuck most of these people are anymore"

00:28:57 mjr_: oh

00:29:00 mjr_: yes i did say that

00:29:07 mjr_: i mean that i miss the people i used to see

00:29:15 mjr_: and that none of them are here anymore

00:29:16 xmj: note to self: mjr_ is a candidate for goldfish memory

00:29:23 mjr_: lol

00:29:26 mjr_: not like that

00:29:30 mircea_popescu: Giancarlo Devasini / J.L. van der Velde / Raphael Nicolle << which are still involved ?

00:29:30 xmj: mjr_: bully them into being here (or, create positive incentives)

00:29:39 mjr_: no clue how to go about doing that

00:29:47 xmj: send them a mail ?

00:29:48 mjr_: i think they may have gotten burned out

00:29:52 xmj: ha

00:29:53 mjr_: don't have their addresses

00:29:59 xmj: facebook ?

00:30:02 mjr_: nope

00:30:08 mjr_: just #bitcoin-assets

00:30:18 mjr_: so now, i think i know asciilifeform mircea_popescu kakobrekla

00:30:21 xmj: well, bummer.

00:30:23 mjr_: yeah

00:30:27 mjr_: miss those guys

00:30:44 xmj: i've been drinking with fluffypony does that count?

00:30:50 xmj: am i in the 'ingroup' now? :D

00:30:54 mjr_: i don't know

00:30:57 mjr_: i'm not lol

00:30:59 xmj: lol

00:31:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.02523161 = 1.2616 BTC [-]

00:31:32 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

00:31:37 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 574.02, vol: 6015.07627334 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 568.406, vol: 3914.04531 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 573.3, vol: 7917.82437211 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 573.868008, vol: 7950.04520000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 572.76593, vol: 0.47791402 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 577.83901, vol: 31.21382741 | Volume-weighted last average: 572.906353566

00:31:57 mircea_popescu: ;;ident mjr_

00:31:57 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX

00:32:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01340001 = 0.67 BTC [+]

00:32:18 mjr_: yeah i idented

00:32:22 mjr_: to get voice

00:32:26 mjr_: another change in the protocol around here

00:32:39 mircea_popescu: mjr_ http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Josh_Rossi&sign=ANY&type=SENT << the two people you know are still here.

00:32:40 assbot: Rating Details for User 'Josh_Rossi'

00:32:42 mircea_popescu: ;;seen davidlatapie

00:32:42 gribble: davidlatapie was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 2 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <davidlatapie> Hi BingoBoingo I'll probably go to bed soon

00:32:43 mircea_popescu: oops

00:32:46 mircea_popescu: ;;seen davout

00:32:46 gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 10 hours, 7 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <davout> i'll add a mention about assymetric crypto

00:32:49 mircea_popescu: ;;seen ben_vulpes

00:32:49 gribble: ben_vulpes was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 28 minutes and 17 seconds ago: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: thx guys something went south during server swtich

00:32:55 mjr_: yeah davout

00:33:00 mjr_: true

00:33:07 mircea_popescu: ;;seen jurov

00:33:08 gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 hours, 45 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <jurov> hi all

00:33:18 mjr_: ah yeah, and of course jurov

00:33:39 mjr_: ok cool

00:33:42 mjr_: feel a little better

00:34:11 mircea_popescu: !up Jason

00:34:19 mircea_popescu: dja know how to self voice Jason ?

00:34:20 mjr_: what do you think of this slovenia conference

00:34:35 mircea_popescu: gotta ask kako/jurov, i'm not from around there

00:34:36 mjr_: i figured it wasn't the slovenia i was going to like...

00:34:39 mjr_: yeah i know

00:34:46 mjr_: but i was hoping they started it

00:34:51 mjr_: but figured bitstamp started it

00:35:17 mjr_: oh yeah

00:35:19 mjr_: by the way

00:35:26 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/SomeShinobi/status/497876744956043264/photo/1

00:35:27 assbot: Patriarchy: 1 Cultural Marxism: 0 http://t.co/Pm7mQtjVwQ

00:35:27 mjr_: mircea_popescu: were you critical of bitlicenses?

00:35:47 mjr_: kind of a silly question i suppose

00:36:07 mjr_: but i just think that it is funny, i think the "bitlicense" is a penalty for people who don't use the blockchain

00:36:22 mircea_popescu: ;;google time to make some bitlicenses of our own

00:36:22 gribble: Time for some Bitlicenses of our own. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: http://trilema.com/2014/time-for-some-bitlicenses-of-our-own/; Daisies pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://trilema.com/2014/daisies/; TBI's Daily Bit — Bitcoin at a Crossroads - Tackling the BitLicense: http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/92143258184/bitcoin-at-a-crossroads-tackling-the- (1 more message)

00:37:21 pete_dushenski: also http://contravex.com/2014/08/07/this-is-the-bitcoin-empire-this-is-the-new-yasa/

00:37:22 assbot: This Is The Bitcoin Empire. This Is The New Yasa | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

00:38:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 29 @ 0.02523161 = 0.7317 BTC [-]

00:39:59 BingoBoingo: %d

00:40:00 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1782205.17 in 304 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.56

00:40:38 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell nubbins` what denomination of casascius coins did you find buyers for today?

00:40:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:43:15 mjr_: well, all i meant was

00:43:18 mjr_: if you use the blockchain

00:43:19 mircea_popescu: ;;rated xmj

00:43:20 gribble: You rated user xmj on Tue Jun 3 08:54:01 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: meets my definition of marauding idiocy..

00:43:26 mjr_: bitlicense doesn't apply to you

00:43:27 mircea_popescu: ;;unrate xmj

00:43:28 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for xmj.

00:43:36 cazalla: "Individuals also have the choice of taking the repayment in ether; in those cases, we will simply not send the BTC, and once all repayments have been processed we will publish all of the additional ETH that has been sold in this way (note that this is equivalent to sending individuals their BTC and letting the recipients send it right back into the exodus)."

00:43:46 mjr_: if you try to use bitcoin to replicate the old system (hand your money over to someone and trust them)

00:43:48 mjr_: it does

00:43:49 cazalla: it will be interesting to see how many opt for ether instead of bitcoin

00:43:51 mircea_popescu: now dun be stoopid.

00:44:02 mjr_: almost like lawsky wants to force people to use bitcoin rather than coinbase

00:44:04 xmj: mircea_popescu: remember what it occurred over?

00:44:14 mircea_popescu: vaguely.

00:44:15 xmj: mircea_popescu: i said that non-cashflow-positive startups use EC2.

00:44:25 xmj: mircea_popescu: don't negrate people for stating truth next time, please

00:44:36 mjr_: by the way, anyone gonna tell me if i can play this game where i can buy things with bitcoin?

00:44:40 mircea_popescu: no dude, you got negrated for attempting a powerplay with me.

00:44:53 mircea_popescu: mjr_ what game is that ?

00:45:09 mjr_: i don't remember, when you were interested in eve

00:45:12 mjr_: or something

00:45:24 mjr_: a game where i could put things into the world using bitcoin

00:45:33 mircea_popescu: there was a guild, smickles runs it now.

00:46:24 xmj: huh.

00:46:27 xmj: ah well

00:46:47 xmj: mjr_: find something where you can pay through Stripe.

00:46:52 xmj: mjr_: bam you can pay with Bitcoin.

00:49:54 mircea_popescu: !s "rate xjm -1"

00:49:55 assbot: 0 results for '"rate xjm -1"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22rate+xjm+-1%22

00:50:02 mircea_popescu: this search!

00:50:47 pete_dushenski: !s mircea_popescu xmj rate

00:50:48 assbot: 4 results for 'mircea_popescu xmj rate' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mircea_popescu+xmj+rate

00:50:53 mircea_popescu: xmj http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2014#699985 there you go.

00:50:53 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

00:50:57 pete_dushenski: flip the m and j

00:51:21 TheNewDeal: mjr_ there's also https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/24/

00:51:22 assbot: Game 24 - Death 4701 Life 5299 Year 651 - War of Life

00:51:22 xmj: *shrug*

00:51:25 xmj: if you take that as powerplay

00:51:37 xmj: i have observed countless startups who do things with EC2 and S3

00:52:03 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski, BingoBoingo: gpg homedir permissions. fixd.

00:52:03 mircea_popescu: the problem was (and am starting to suspect remains) your mistaken notion that you have a lot to give and relatively little to take.

00:52:18 ben_vulpes: oh jesus virtualization fights again?

00:52:36 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Ty

00:52:37 mircea_popescu: not that this worlview isn't common with twentysomething impudent cocklets. but it is universally working to their detriment.

00:52:56 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hardly.

00:53:21 ben_vulpes: k. i'm clearly behind on my logs.

00:54:05 mjr_: heya ben_vulpes

00:54:14 ben_vulpes: long time no talk, mjr_.

00:54:17 mjr_: yeah

00:54:20 mjr_: been a while

00:54:23 ben_vulpes: what've you been up to?

00:54:31 mjr_: working, playing around on some projects

00:54:33 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he now works for... wait for it...

00:54:34 mircea_popescu: bitfinex.

00:54:36 mjr_: yep

00:54:37 mjr_: i do

00:54:44 mjr_: i like it

00:55:08 mjr_: only been 2 weeks, but i like the guys i work with, i have a lot of autonomy

00:55:16 mjr_: before that i was working at coinapult, which was also fun

00:55:25 mjr_: built locks with some cool people

00:55:32 mjr_: not sure what you think of those, guessing not good

00:55:34 mjr_: lol

00:55:39 mjr_: i expect to be torn to shreds here

00:55:42 mjr_: which is not that bad

00:55:43 ben_vulpes: i really have no opinions about these things

00:55:50 ben_vulpes: coinapult is coins via email

00:55:54 mjr_: was

00:55:55 ben_vulpes: bitfinex is an exchange of sorts

00:55:57 mjr_: still is somewhat

00:56:03 mjr_: locks is the newest product

00:56:08 ben_vulpes: "locks"?

00:56:10 kakobrekla: what happened at coinapult

00:56:10 mjr_: which is basically pegging bitcoin to some asset

00:56:20 ben_vulpes: pahaha how on earth?!

00:56:26 mjr_: nothing, that project was done, and i like the guys at bitfinex

00:56:36 mjr_: still hang out with the coinapult crew

00:56:40 mjr_: going to eriks wedding in sept

00:56:46 mjr_: its an ewallet

00:56:59 mjr_: so you say want to have an amount of bitcoin that reflects the gold/usd price

00:57:07 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah, lots of history there. bitfinex was a coupla twerps that took the leaked bitcoinica codebase and started a new bitcoinica, back in 2012ish ? early 2013 ? (that code was in the wild because after the nth breach, amir taaki of bitcoin consultancy fame "open sourced" it by releasing it without rights)

00:57:08 ben_vulpes: nope nope nope

00:57:15 mjr_: we hedge, and you will always get say an oz of gold worth of bitcoin

00:57:25 ben_vulpes: i ain't letting anyone hedge with my coins

00:57:31 mjr_: yeah bitcoinica was a fuckup

00:57:35 mjr_: yeah, i get you

00:57:39 mjr_: not for everyone

00:57:39 mircea_popescu: then about six months or so later some people involved had a very public breakup replete with tardstalk scam tag requests, much in the manner the bitcoin magazine takeover worked

00:57:54 mjr_: hold up, you are talking about bitcoinica?

00:57:54 mircea_popescu: then not a peep for about a year. so someone with some sort of competence took over. but mjr_ ain't telling who.

00:57:54 ben_vulpes: if i want to turn my paper dollars into paper gold, i'm just going to whelk my fiat down to Schwabe and let them do what they do

00:58:04 kakobrekla: id say bitfinex chumpatron is working just fine

00:58:13 mjr_: omg

00:58:21 mjr_: that may have been the nicest thing i've heard mircea_popescu say

00:58:32 mircea_popescu: mjr_ but kakobrekla has a good q, what happened at coinapult ?

00:58:37 mjr_: nothing

00:58:44 mjr_: i worked on locks, since i knew a little about hedging

00:58:48 mjr_: but i like doing more than just programming

00:58:52 mjr_: and have a few projects

00:59:04 mircea_popescu: so you're still in panama. basically what, erik bought bitfinex ?

00:59:04 mjr_: so i figured i would find something that lets me do more stuff i like, but still program

00:59:08 mjr_: nope

00:59:15 mjr_: he is busy working on his wedding

00:59:20 mjr_: not sure if he could afford it...maybe

00:59:33 mjr_: but i'm going to eriks wedding in sept

00:59:42 mjr_: but yeah, i mean, you know me, i like to talk

00:59:50 mjr_: and programming != talking much

01:00:01 mjr_: so, felt a little one dimensional

01:00:08 mircea_popescu: well someone's behind there, the people originally involved with bitfinex ain't got the resources required.

01:00:12 mjr_: and now i get to talk, they wanted someone to be out in public

01:00:24 mjr_: yeah, that is the beauty of that place

01:00:26 mircea_popescu: mjr_ how long you been there ayway ?

01:00:28 mjr_: is that ego doesn't get in the way

01:00:36 mjr_: always looking to improve

01:00:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02523161 = 0.5046 BTC [-]

01:00:42 mjr_: bring people who know more, fill in gaps

01:00:55 mjr_: since the 15th of july

01:00:57 mjr_: wait

01:01:02 mjr_: yeah, around 3 weeks

01:01:05 mircea_popescu: so you've not had a check cut yet ?

01:01:09 mjr_: i have

01:01:26 mircea_popescu: what, you working by the hour ?

01:01:28 mjr_: no

01:01:35 mjr_: i loved the way they phrased it

01:01:41 mjr_: they said we know you have a lot of projects

01:01:50 mjr_: we want to pay you to put us at the top of the list

01:02:03 mjr_: and will try to help you with your other projects because we are serial entrepreneurs

01:02:10 mjr_: so, it works well

01:02:11 mircea_popescu: you specifically ?! how the hell does some dude in france even know you.

01:02:22 mjr_: davout knows me...he is in france still right?

01:02:42 mircea_popescu: Raphael Nicolle << this guy.

01:02:50 mircea_popescu: not really running it anymore, is he ?

01:03:44 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "LTC <= 0.01 BTC before September 1st" http://bitbet.us/bet/782/ Odds: 87(Y):13(N) by coin, 64(Y):36(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.83967592 BTC. Current weight: 4,105.

01:04:43 mircea_popescu: a okay, i see. so apparently a guy i actually know took over that outfit. (no, not erik)

01:04:56 mircea_popescu: which'd explai nwhy they've not done anything spectacularly stupid in the last while.

01:05:31 TheNewDeal: gonna go grab some din din. Here's some good old US propaganda for yas http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-treasury-bond-yield-hits-lowest-since-june-2013-1407501409

01:05:32 assbot: U.S. Treasury Bond Yield Hits Lowest Since June 2013 - WSJ

01:08:26 mjr_: a bunch of good guys work there

01:08:33 pete_dushenski: http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/period-charts.php?period=today&resolution=hour&pair=ltc-btc&market=btc-e

01:08:34 assbot: LTC/BTC - Litecoin / Bitcoin today charts from BTC-e

01:08:35 mjr_: and i like the way they are going

01:08:44 mjr_: anyway

01:08:53 mjr_: anyone can fill me in on derps those links didn't work

01:08:59 pete_dushenski: low at 2014-08-12 00h 0.0099500 BTC

01:10:21 pete_dushenski: http://bitbet.us/bet/997/ltc-to-drop-under-6-50-before-september/ http://bitbet.us/bet/864/ltc-to-fall-against-btc/ http://bitbet.us/bet/782/ltc/ all wrapped up

01:10:21 assbot: BitBet - LTC to drop under $6.50 before September :: 1.31 B (65%) on Yes, 0.71 B (35%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 43`444 (100`000 to 1)

01:10:21 assbot: BitBet - LTC to fall against BTC :: 9.02 B (90%) on Yes, 0.98 B (10%) on No | closing in 4 months 1 week| weight: 62`796 (100`000 to 1)

01:10:21 assbot: BitBet - LTC <= 0.01 BTC before September 1st :: 2.47 B (87%) on Yes, 0.37 B (13%) on No | closing in 4 days 22 hours | weight: 4`103 (100`000 to 1`000)

01:10:38 asciilifeform: lol, i get up for a little bit, and somebody links the world-famous menstrual painter.

01:10:54 ben_vulpes: mjr_: weren't you at bitpay for a while?

01:11:31 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: lol yw

01:11:53 asciilifeform: 'she's pretty high of the ground; doesn't OSHA require spotters, or a hardhat...' << from comments

01:12:42 pete_dushenski: wondering if that last 2btc bet on ltc is gonna squeak in (wasn't mine fwiw)

01:14:20 BingoBoingo: !up jdanks

01:14:33 jdanks: i have voice! lol

01:14:44 jdanks: i really needa figure out this whole WoT thing

01:15:40 jdanks: I've created PGP keys for stuff before not knowing what I was doing. I love all your posts mircea. you are a good man, standing up to bad peoples and finding who's trully trustworthy (:

01:18:27 pete_dushenski: jdanks: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

01:18:27 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

01:18:52 jdanks: thank you!

01:21:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.27198 = 2.1758 BTC [+]

01:28:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 54 @ 0.27183805 = 14.6793 BTC [-] {4}

01:28:43 mjr_: ben_vulpes: nope never at bitpay

01:32:54 mircea_popescu: btw mjr_

01:32:56 mircea_popescu: $proxies

01:32:59 empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1722 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91

01:33:01 mjr_: ah tanks

01:33:06 mircea_popescu: if ever in doubt that's the path to truth

01:34:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00073814 = 15.2057 BTC [-]

01:34:20 mircea_popescu: jdanks hai there.

01:34:53 jdanks: hallo mr. popescu keep up tha good fight :)

01:35:16 mircea_popescu: :)

01:35:21 mircea_popescu: so who're you ?

01:35:43 jdanks: somebody gave me voice. i have no pgp keys or nothing. name is john

01:35:58 jdanks: i'm a mechanical engineer turned internet of things engineer

01:36:07 mircea_popescu: cool.

01:36:19 mircea_popescu: you can just reg a key it's no big deal.

01:36:44 jdanks: i have great plans to put blockchains on mesh networks. and i invest in coins i think aren't shit. i go for the long calls. yea i havent had time. i just sort of stumbled upon your kingdom the last few days

01:37:04 jdanks: i'm sure i can figure it out but it'll be pushed aside till I have an empty weekend

01:39:18 RagnarDanneskjol: he's cool - I just turned him on to trilema the other day and his head blew

01:39:36 mircea_popescu: jdanks plenty of upside, take your time.

01:39:57 jdanks: *kkaa ppppbbllooooo*

01:40:27 mircea_popescu: !up bitcointrader_

01:40:50 mircea_popescu: someone should go for Individual Person Guy as a name.

01:41:34 mircea_popescu: !up jborkl

01:41:43 jborkl: Thank you

01:42:22 mircea_popescu: yw

01:42:24 jborkl: I am going to publish the #bitcoin-assets Bitcoin awards

01:42:42 jborkl: I need categories and reasons

01:43:04 jborkl: None need to be valid and must be funny in some twisted way

01:43:19 RagnarDanneskjol: well biggest derpfuktard comes to mind

01:43:35 mircea_popescu: bitcoin's best tits ?

01:43:41 jborkl: Hell yeah

01:43:49 jborkl: Great suggestion

01:43:53 mircea_popescu: "least original name"

01:44:08 jdanks: i'll maybe go for that award lol

01:44:10 mircea_popescu: "most buzzwordy meaningless pr release"

01:44:26 mircea_popescu: "biggest first biggest".

01:44:30 jborkl: Very very good

01:44:53 jborkl: The PR release will be full

01:45:22 mircea_popescu: "longest two weeks"

01:45:26 jborkl: Who has Bitcoin best boobs?

01:45:37 jborkl: You are on fire

01:46:01 jborkl: Oh I nominate pr

01:46:34 mircea_popescu: jborkl either someone in here http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ or maybe one of these pixies http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/

01:46:35 assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

01:46:36 assbot: Internet story pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

01:47:09 jborkl: Great , I can go with that.

01:47:31 jborkl: Most meaningless PR I can throw a dart

01:48:24 mircea_popescu: "Worst pr move masquerading as an award", you can give that to the bitcoin foundation for the two bit idiot debacle.

01:48:43 jborkl: Awesome on the tits story. That wins with 4 palms award

01:49:18 jborkl: Lol, that wins for sure.

01:50:37 RagnarDanneskjol: check his pictorial anthology - belongs in the smithsonian: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=jpg+from%3Amircea+haslink%3Atrue

01:50:38 assbot: 339 results for 'jpg from:mircea haslink:true' - #bitcoin-assets search

01:51:37 mircea_popescu: wow.

01:51:51 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, http://www.ofnumbers.com/2014/08/12/bitcoins-pr-challenges/

01:51:53 assbot: Bitcoin’s PR challenges | Great Wall of Numbers

01:52:03 jborkl: So that is three categories, this is going very fast

01:52:11 mircea_popescu: left the guy a comment to come here, not approved yet, but anyway, if he shows up someone voice him

01:55:18 TheNewDeal: I'm going to be in the smithsonian!!

01:55:32 mircea_popescu: as a what ?

01:55:39 mircea_popescu: !up dogeywoof

01:55:49 TheNewDeal: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=jpg+from%3Amircea+haslink%3Atrue

01:55:50 assbot: 339 results for 'jpg from:mircea haslink:true' - #bitcoin-assets search

01:56:05 dogeywoof: Thanks

01:56:19 mircea_popescu: can i have a 5 doge tip now ty.

01:56:29 dogeywoof: How do I tip you

01:57:01 jborkl: Category : worst Bitcoin idea

01:57:05 mircea_popescu: see kakobrekla ? THERE IS DEMAND.

01:57:39 kakobrekla: :p

01:57:54 mircea_popescu: jborkl "most satoshi-like individual that's not acually satoshi"

01:58:02 TheNewDeal: http://www.ofnumbers.com/2014/08/12/bitcoins-pr-challenges/ Wasn't EV sued for something other than SD?

01:58:03 assbot: Bitcoin’s PR challenges | Great Wall of Numbers

01:58:08 dogeywoof: Where's kitteh?

01:58:21 dogeywoof: !seen kitteh

01:58:33 TheNewDeal: meow

01:58:38 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal guy has a tenuous grasp on facts. which, for an outsider, i guess is laudable.

01:58:42 dogeywoof: Hey SuchWow

01:58:46 jborkl: Hah anyone named satoshi is chased by English press

01:58:47 TheNewDeal: !up SuchWow

01:59:35 jborkl: Well, onto real categories

01:59:57 jborkl: Best blog I cast my WOT only vote for trilema

02:00:13 jborkl: Best broker as coinbr

02:00:15 bitcointrader_: Anybody doing OTC derivatives on here? Like put options or forward contracts?

02:00:58 mircea_popescu: sure.

02:01:02 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust bitcointrader_

02:01:02 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bitcointrader_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=bitcointrader_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcointrader_ | Rated since: never

02:01:07 mircea_popescu: not you tho.

02:01:51 SuchWow: lol either give me permanent voice or stop giving me temp voice. all it does is ping me, and i don't usually have anything to say, just observing :)

02:02:03 SuchWow: also, hello

02:02:05 SuchWow: lol

02:02:09 mircea_popescu: lol kk.

02:02:47 SuchWow: one day i'll be more interested and educated on the topics of discussion and investments here, and when that's the case, I'll speak up for sure :)

02:02:48 dogeywoof: SuchWow: so mean :f

02:03:34 TheNewDeal: omg absolute riduloustardedness "This is a mistake that we see in full force today in which the quantity of money available has shrunk due to theft, scams, purposeful burning, accidental destruction, etc."

02:03:34 mircea_popescu: he has a point.

02:03:43 SuchWow: dogeywoof: not being mean, it's just once you've been temp upped like dozens of times, it pings you twice in an hour, its just kinda annoying is all. Yes I should've just asked nicely for perma voice tho lol

02:04:11 jborkl: Anyone else with WOT want to vote?

02:04:40 jborkl: If you do , later tell me , I am going to write it in the morning.

02:04:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.0007372 = 33.7638 BTC [-] {2}

02:04:42 mircea_popescu: jborkl this suggests a ready expansion to Jason's bot. it could hold propositions for voting, like a gpg-poll thing.

02:05:21 jborkl: Cool idea, I will start on that

02:05:40 mircea_popescu: like

02:05:54 bitcointrader_: mircea, is there an escrow service that does otc derivatives?

02:06:08 mircea_popescu: !reg "Who should be the derpiest" and it gives you an index, then !vote 1224543 herpy and it tallies "herpy" +1

02:06:55 mircea_popescu: bitcointrader_ an escrow service does any deal, what difference does it make to it.

02:07:00 jborkl: Very good idea, and it will piss a bunch of people off

02:07:11 jborkl: That is always good

02:07:24 bitcointrader_: they can take collateral from both sides to ensure no counterparty risk

02:07:36 jborkl: Let's see coindesk plagiarize that heh

02:07:58 mircea_popescu: how do you plan to handle fiat collateral ?

02:08:05 bitcointrader_: BTC collateral

02:08:32 RagnarDanneskjol: you mean to mitigate SOME cp risk

02:08:59 mircea_popescu: if you take btc both sides it's hardly no cp risk.

02:09:40 jborkl: Ok make sure to vote ! +12 hours from now voting ends. WOT only 1st anal #bitcoin-assets awards

02:11:26 mircea_popescu: !up bitcointrader_

02:12:09 bitcointrader_: yout payout like a CFD. It's not fully eliminating cp risk but if you deposit 50% with escrow is covers a substantial amount. Just have an auto stop loss in place

02:12:31 mircea_popescu: in general, people trade otc as in, otc. major players

02:12:33 mircea_popescu: !up Tim___

02:12:41 mircea_popescu: they knoe each other, they trust each other, escrow is not the problem.

02:13:58 mircea_popescu: !up turbo_ac100

02:14:08 bitcointrader_: how are you settling your option and future contracts today?

02:14:39 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell wyrdmantis: punkman: you mean an offline machine? << http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/

02:14:41 assbot: How to airgap. A practical guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:14:41 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:14:49 turbo_ac100: LTC bets http://bitbet.us/bet/864/ltc-to-fall-against-btc/ http://bitbet.us/bet/782/ltc/ and http://bitbet.us/bet/997/ltc-to-drop-under-6-50-before-september/ have resolved.

02:14:49 assbot: BitBet - LTC to fall against BTC :: 9.02 B (90%) on Yes, 0.98 B (10%) on No | closing in 4 months 1 week| weight: 62`775 (100`000 to 1)

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02:14:59 mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100 cool.

02:15:41 mircea_popescu: !up TimSwanson

02:15:58 TheNewDeal: i got hosed on that facking ltc bet

02:16:00 turbo_ac100: Yeah. I had a WOT rating here from kakobrekla. And I had a super-secure password. Only one is left.

02:16:07 TheNewDeal: was watching it all day

02:16:18 TimSwanson: Hello, all of my passwords are 1234abcd

02:16:25 mircea_popescu: lol

02:16:26 TheNewDeal: went to go jerk off, shower, then I come back and BAM it's trading at .0101 something

02:16:42 TimSwanson: Anton suggested I come chat, I saw mircea's comment on my site

02:16:44 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal was it that it stays under or what ?

02:16:50 TheNewDeal: stays above

02:16:51 mircea_popescu: TimSwanson you the guy with the ofnumbers/book thing ?

02:17:04 TheNewDeal: got caught with the late bet once again

02:17:09 TimSwanson: that's me

02:17:16 TimSwanson: i have to go in a bit, but can chat for a few moments

02:17:24 mircea_popescu: ok, let me explain to you why your "ad hominem" approach is broken.

02:17:28 TheNewDeal: lol

02:18:11 TimSwanson: I have read your post 3 times, you do not cite any data

02:18:14 TimSwanson: All you do is attack me

02:18:18 TimSwanson: That is an "ad hominem"

02:18:23 mircea_popescu: you may generously represent yourself as equal to all people, myself included. this however is false : i am a major player in a major revolution. you are practically nobody, or if we're charitable a minor player in a lengthy tradition, if we are again charitable and consider the us derpage somehow related to european academia as a human thought adventure.

02:18:33 TimSwanson: That is an ad hominem

02:18:42 mircea_popescu: now, if you want to talk about my think, and i say you're stupid, this can not be waved aside by you claiming it's an ad hominem.

02:18:43 TimSwanson: That is what the authors of articles in The Economist, do not sign their names

02:18:50 mircea_popescu: i would know if it were or if it weren't. you, however, wouldn't.

02:18:58 TimSwanson: because the arguments are supposed to stand for themselves

02:19:11 TimSwanson: That is besides the point

02:19:12 mircea_popescu: so. inasmuch as you wish to continue, on the general expectation that bitcoin will eventually conform to your worldview, you're more than welcome to it.

02:19:20 TimSwanson: Mircea, you need to deal with the content of the chapters

02:19:26 mircea_popescu: however, this will positively never happen. bitcoin will just ruin academia as you know it and that's that.

02:19:27 TimSwanson: And not just say "hey, I don't know him"

02:19:32 mircea_popescu: why ?

02:19:42 TimSwanson: Because that's how normal debates work

02:19:45 TheNewDeal: because he desparately needs your attention

02:19:49 TimSwanson: I know reading is hard in caves in Romania

02:19:52 TimSwanson: Lack of light, etc.

02:19:55 mircea_popescu: you don't get to say how these debates work. again, because bitcoin.

02:19:57 TheNewDeal: otherwise he falls off into the blogosphere

02:20:02 mircea_popescu: the problem here isbn't that i don't know you.,

02:20:08 mircea_popescu: the problem is that you don't klnow me, and by extension bitcoin.

02:20:10 TimSwanson: I don't care that you don't know me

02:20:15 TimSwanson: You don't own Bitcoin

02:20:16 mircea_popescu: you're stuck working with strawmen whether you want to or not.

02:20:21 TimSwanson: That's not how debates work

02:20:24 mircea_popescu: which is why the stuff yo usay is lulzy to people here, but not to you.

02:20:27 TimSwanson: What is the strawman?

02:20:37 TheNewDeal: Can I please argue for a moment

02:20:37 TimSwanson: You attacked me in a post

02:20:45 mircea_popescu: i didn't attack you.

02:20:47 TimSwanson: That's an ad hominem

02:20:49 TimSwanson: Yes you did

02:20:59 TheNewDeal: I have a bone to pick with this statement "This is a mistake that we see in full force today in which the quantity of money available has shrunk due to theft, scams, purposeful burning, accidental destruction, etc."

02:21:00 TimSwanson: You said I was a "environmental scholar"

02:21:02 mircea_popescu: i scored you. the difference here is that in order to attack you we'd have to share something. we do not.

02:21:10 mircea_popescu: what exactly do you do for a living ?

02:21:10 TimSwanson: Haha, okay

02:21:19 TimSwanson: I hope you enjoy your journey on the High Horse

02:21:25 TimSwanson: If you clicked "About the author" you might know

02:21:34 mircea_popescu: i have, which is how i got to this idea

02:21:35 TimSwanson: I do a lot work with Bitcoin startups, legal ones

02:21:42 mircea_popescu: now, i may well have misunderstood you. so, what do you do ?

02:21:44 TimSwanson: I have said so in many interviews

02:21:52 TimSwanson: I work doing market research for Bitcoin companies

02:21:53 mircea_popescu: none that apparently ever mattered.

02:21:57 mircea_popescu: so you think.

02:21:59 TimSwanson: Okay, nice

02:22:17 TimSwanson: Any other personal insults you'd like to make?

02:22:33 mircea_popescu: looky : i've been fran kto you. now, can i get a frank answer to what exactly it is you do, for a living ?

02:22:41 mircea_popescu: as a profession. what's your degree. something.

02:22:47 TimSwanson: I get paid to interview people, find out what they do and then write it up

02:22:51 TimSwanson: Go to my LinkedIn

02:22:54 TimSwanson: It's on my site

02:23:01 turbo_ac100: g'night guys. New key tommorrow :)

02:23:04 mircea_popescu: you think this is somehow more respectable than "evironment scholar" ?

02:23:16 TimSwanson: I have never done anything with the "environment"

02:23:21 mircea_popescu: Timothy Swanson Timothy Swanson is an American economics scholar specializing in environmental governance, ... << is this you ?

02:23:23 TimSwanson: I used to actually build mining machines

02:23:26 TimSwanson: no

02:23:29 TimSwanson: That's wikipedia

02:23:33 TimSwanson: Another guy

02:23:42 mircea_popescu: so you're not that tim swanson.

02:23:54 TimSwanson: If you actually clicked on my LinkedIn, you would see that is the case

02:23:55 mircea_popescu: okay, i'll have to fix that article, no scholar environmental or otherwise.

02:24:01 mircea_popescu: link it.

02:24:18 TimSwanson: Busy with other stuff, you can click on it by visiting: www.ofnumbers.com/about-the-author

02:24:22 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.linkedin.com/in/timswanson

02:24:23 assbot: Tim Swanson | LinkedIn

02:24:37 RagnarDanneskjol: i dont think blogging is a real job, no?

02:24:40 mircea_popescu: and as to the earlier point : there is no such thing as "legal ones" re bitcoin companies. there's bitcoin companies, and then there's fiat companies that try to make a buck off bitcoin

02:24:47 mircea_popescu: these two have exactly zero in common.

02:25:02 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol arguably i make a living blogging these days, so who's to know anymore.

02:25:07 TimSwanson: Blogging is not my job

02:25:20 TimSwanson: Honestly, I didn't come here to be personally insulted, I thought you actually had data

02:25:24 mircea_popescu: Great Chain of Numbers: A Guide to Smart Contracts, Smart Property and Trustless Asset Management

02:25:24 mircea_popescu: March 3, 2014

02:25:24 mircea_popescu: Authors: Tim Swanson

02:25:25 TimSwanson: Instead, you're just attacking me

02:25:39 RagnarDanneskjol: I can make a living camping and foraging, does not make it a real job

02:26:01 TimSwanson: Do you have any actual complaints with say, Chapter 3?

02:26:05 mircea_popescu: TimSwanson you ever read http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ ?

02:26:06 assbot: GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:26:18 TimSwanson: Yes, I linked to it in my recent book saying it won't work

02:26:21 TimSwanson: Chapter 17

02:26:24 TimSwanson: in a footnote

02:26:25 TheNewDeal: teach me your secrets

02:26:32 TimSwanson: Pay me money

02:26:41 mircea_popescu: TimSwanson now we're getting somewhere.

02:27:05 TimSwanson: Look, all you have to do, is read either book and then you can say what you disagree with

02:27:17 TimSwanson: Imagine if the book had no author, then it would just be about the actual content of the book

02:27:26 TimSwanson: Instead, you have wasted about 10 minutes trying to attack me

02:27:28 mircea_popescu: if the book had no author i definitely wouildn't read it.

02:27:33 TimSwanson: Okay, that's your loss

02:27:43 mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how this works. things need a source to exist.

02:27:50 TimSwanson: I cite hundreds of sources

02:27:52 TimSwanson: Other sources

02:28:00 TimSwanson: Look in the Endnotes

02:28:07 mircea_popescu: hundreds of sources eh ?

02:28:23 TimSwanson: Yes, you should press the blue underlined hyperlink button to open the book

02:28:27 mircea_popescu: this is readily reducible to the problem of "i have a very high wot score". it's not the number. it's the identity.

02:28:32 mircea_popescu: dja grok how the wot works ?

02:28:34 TimSwanson: Then on the right side there is a "scroll bar", go down to the bottom

02:28:44 TimSwanson: I am not interested in your WoT games

02:28:52 TimSwanson: I came here out of curteousy

02:28:58 TimSwanson: I have answered your questions

02:29:01 mircea_popescu: right. so if you're not interested in bitcoin, why should i care what you wrote down somewhere ?

02:29:05 TimSwanson: My WoT in the real world is pretty good

02:29:11 TimSwanson: You are the one leaving comments on my blog

02:29:18 mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the gist of the problem. get interested in bitcoin or get used to not being taken seriously, i guess.

02:29:18 TimSwanson: If you weren't interested, why would you leave it?

02:29:27 TimSwanson: You are not a gatekeeper for bitcoin

02:29:33 TimSwanson: You do not get to decide who is or is not interested

02:29:36 mircea_popescu: i left a comment on an article that pingbacked my article,

02:29:41 TimSwanson: That defeats the whole purpose of permissionless

02:29:45 TimSwanson: It auto-pings

02:29:50 TimSwanson: Welcome to 2003

02:29:51 mircea_popescu: and i left it because it was apparent to me that you don't, on your own, possess the intellectual means to comprehend the problem.

02:30:02 TimSwanson: What is the problem I do not comprehend?

02:30:10 mircea_popescu: now, whether this session helped or didn't is unclear, but at least i tried.

02:30:12 TimSwanson: I don't have to be a Bitcoin Taliban to understand how it works

02:30:17 TimSwanson: What did you try?

02:30:20 TimSwanson: Insulting me?

02:30:25 mircea_popescu: well, i suppose the way to reference it in your system would be "the wot games".

02:30:26 TimSwanson: You have provided no data for your position

02:30:32 TimSwanson: I understand WoT

02:30:37 mircea_popescu: you aren't yet enough of a something to be insultable im affraid.

02:30:39 TimSwanson: I have a big network in the real world outside caves

02:30:50 TimSwanson: So you invited me, to insult me?

02:30:51 mircea_popescu: that's nice.

02:31:05 mircea_popescu: well now look. so do you understand the wot or don't you.

02:31:06 TimSwanson: What is your actual argument?

02:31:12 TimSwanson: Yes, I am not in your WoT

02:31:19 TimSwanson: I am not interested in being your WoT

02:31:26 TimSwanson: I am interested in research, with data

02:31:30 mircea_popescu: my actual argument is that you're captive in a mostly meanginless structure, and that it's a shame, basically.

02:31:44 TimSwanson: That was not your argument

02:31:46 TimSwanson: You called me names

02:31:52 TimSwanson: And ignored "a"

02:31:56 TimSwanson: Whoever "a" was

02:32:01 mircea_popescu: you're not about to tell me what my argument is, now is it ?

02:32:01 TimSwanson: Brought up good points on mining costs

02:32:09 TimSwanson: Look, I have to go in about 5 minutes

02:32:13 mircea_popescu: have fun.

02:32:18 TimSwanson: Do you actually have some data about mining you want to chat about?

02:32:22 TimSwanson: Or did you just want to insult me?

02:32:32 RagnarDanneskjol: please stay, this is highly entertaining

02:32:33 mircea_popescu: no, but should you wish to actually learn about bitcoin, this channel is here.

02:32:35 mircea_popescu: there's also a log.

02:32:46 TimSwanson: Haha, you're right, I have no idea what Bitcoin is, at all

02:32:49 mircea_popescu: so you can do it discreetly if ego wound avoidance is such a priority.

02:32:54 TimSwanson: Please, tell me the way, the truth and the light

02:32:56 mircea_popescu: indeed, that's the gist of it.

02:33:15 TimSwanson: Look, you sound a lot like any other religious leader who says "you cannot understand the movement unless you're part of it"

02:33:18 TimSwanson: It's a non sequitur

02:33:32 mircea_popescu: also a? stands for.. .a-non

02:33:36 TimSwanson: Either you have an argument with data, or just rhetoric

02:33:37 mircea_popescu: i thought it was pretty clever.

02:33:44 mircea_popescu: i am not actually saying that.

02:33:45 TimSwanson: Okay, so "a-non had an interesting couple of points

02:33:53 TimSwanson: About the costs of mining

02:33:56 mircea_popescu: what i am saying is that you can never have something meanginful to say about a culture from outside of it.

02:34:00 TimSwanson: The costs of mining have seen and unseen aspects

02:34:05 TimSwanson: Bitcoin is open source tech

02:34:07 TimSwanson: It's not culture

02:34:22 mircea_popescu: well that'd be where we differ

02:34:28 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is irreducible to fiat.

02:34:38 TimSwanson: Show me the line of code that has "culture" in it?

02:35:04 mircea_popescu: this'd be a fine example of the strawman in question. you imagine this is a meaningful question, but it isn't.

02:35:05 TimSwanson: This si the same problem cypherpunks had back in the '90s

02:35:39 TimSwanson: They built really cool tech like PGP or even Digicash and ZKS but couldn't find a target market in a profitable manner

02:35:46 RagnarDanneskjol: </member><member name="P:Bitcoin_import_key.My.Resources.Resources.Culture">

02:35:46 mircea_popescu: i doubt thinking of those people in collective terms is very sensible, but anyway.

02:35:56 TimSwanson: Are you a bot?

02:36:01 TimSwanson: You have not said anything about mining

02:36:02 mircea_popescu: "cypherpunks" didn't "build pgp"

02:36:35 mod6: lel

02:36:36 TimSwanson: Pretty sure the cypherpunks in California would disagree with you, Phil Zimmerman may have coded it, but they dreamt it up, etc.

02:36:44 mircea_popescu: oh they dreamt it up

02:36:47 mircea_popescu: show me the dream in the code.

02:36:54 TimSwanson: Anyways, I am gonna take off

02:37:00 TimSwanson: Was nice chatting with the community here

02:37:05 TimSwanson: Feel free to email me if you have any other questions

02:37:09 TimSwanson: Cheers

02:37:40 mod6: m00

02:37:52 mircea_popescu: this being the main reason. people get so emotionally invested in their fiat-denominated holdings they simply can't adapt.

02:38:16 mircea_popescu: and it's funny what actually plays the role of fiat-denominated investment in most cases.

02:38:25 mircea_popescu: not like this dude is rich or anything.

02:38:41 RagnarDanneskjol: that's the bay area for ya

02:39:03 mircea_popescu: anyone bored enough to extract the footnote in question from chapter 17, lemmeknow. i got a log to read.

02:39:35 mircea_popescu: somehow i'd much rather spend my time reading that than listen to songs someone wrote based on poems they wrote (the world needs more singers-songwriters and fewer doctors and engineers!)

02:40:29 TheNewDeal: you would rather read that trash?

02:40:40 TheNewDeal: I can only presume there's some thick sarcasm I'm missing

02:40:43 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: he literally spoke about the thing that mtgox did that made them vulnerable to malleability attacks << this is a major part of why mtgox debacle was so funny to the old timers.

02:40:55 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal what trash, th logs ?

02:41:12 TheNewDeal: oh gotcha. Thought you meant that dude's writings

02:41:50 mircea_popescu: ah, him. well, if he manages to get over himself he might actually do something useful at some point.

02:42:09 mircea_popescu: is this the first time i got called a religious leader btw ?

02:42:13 TheNewDeal: "Bitcoin may be able to do that one day, but maybe not at the current $40 per transaction cost structure. " What troll-drugs is this guy smoking

02:42:53 dignork: TheNewDeal: it sounds like fallacy, but it's partially true

02:43:11 TheNewDeal: I have never paid $40 per transaction

02:43:12 mircea_popescu: dignork did that go just about the way you expected ?

02:43:24 TheNewDeal: I have never paid 1$ per transaction

02:43:32 dignork: usdbtcprice/average number of tx per block

02:43:46 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it's the old "bitcoin is nto visa" thing.

02:44:11 mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown google.com

02:44:12 gribble: google.com is up

02:44:15 TheNewDeal: Gotcha. I was taking it to mean 40$ in fees per transaction

02:44:16 mircea_popescu: not for me...

02:44:30 TheNewDeal: i got this https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl

02:44:31 assbot: Google

02:44:35 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal nah, this thing http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015

02:44:36 assbot: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:44:53 dignork: TheNewDeal: yeah, but it's an extrapolation, to when miners payouts drop to zero

02:45:59 TheNewDeal: I've read that comment before

02:46:10 dignork: mircea_popescu: I think it's a beginning of beautiful friendship. or not.

02:46:21 mircea_popescu: dignork how old is the dude anyway ?

02:46:32 mircea_popescu: locklin never managed to get over being told off.

02:46:44 mircea_popescu: i would imagine somewhere 30ish is the cutoff.

02:47:30 mircea_popescu: chetty: How exactly are we to successfully and correctly examine ourselves when the only ?normal? we know is found in the boiling pot of water we presently occupy? << trilema!11!11!eleven :D

02:47:33 dignork: mircea_popescu: not sure, from linkedin pic - 30 or so, i'm bad with age detection

02:48:12 mircea_popescu: looks 48 to me, but what do i know.

02:49:23 mircea_popescu: %p

02:49:24 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6952.12 GH/s

02:49:53 dignork: TheNewDeal: so the logic goes: currently miners are reimbursed ~40$ per tx, what will happen to them when payout drops. It's actually a valid question imho.

02:50:23 mircea_popescu: dignork what's that $40 come from, 600ish tx per block, 25 btc per tx, 600 $ per btc ?

02:50:31 dignork: yep

02:50:40 mircea_popescu: do you see how idiotic it is to look at that in $ ?

02:50:51 mircea_popescu: they'll be paid some fractions of bitcent.

02:51:09 mircea_popescu: that's where this lets go : btc price goes up high enough for it to be worthwhile to miners. that tiny cent.

02:51:13 TheNewDeal: as transaction fees?

02:51:13 mircea_popescu: otherwise they don't sell it.

02:51:16 mircea_popescu: yes.

02:51:37 dignork: which might cost gazillions, but you can't count on it, price might rise slower than payout fall

02:51:44 mircea_popescu: it can't lol.

02:51:49 mircea_popescu: that's exactly what it's based on

02:51:57 mircea_popescu: what did you think drove the price, "merchant adoption"?

02:52:32 TheNewDeal: then why wasn't there a huge price jump during the reward halving?

02:52:42 TheNewDeal: was it "priced in"

02:52:47 mircea_popescu: something like that.

02:52:59 mircea_popescu: real prices don't follow fundamentals exactly. this is how you know they're real prices.

02:53:14 dignork: TheNewDeal: well, currently fees are very small relative to pyaouts, so it wasn;t supposed to create price jump

02:53:21 mircea_popescu: if you look at secular averages, there is a huge jump.

02:53:27 TheNewDeal: but the reward halved!

02:53:37 TheNewDeal: what do you mean by secular?

02:53:43 TheNewDeal: ;;ud secular

02:53:44 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=secular | Dec 24, 2004 ... secular. Intelligent; One who uses common sense and deductive reasoning to come to the conclusion that religion is a joke. I think, therefore I ...

02:53:46 mircea_popescu: average price over 215k blocks.

02:53:50 dignork: right, so fees jumped from 0.1% to 0.2 #

02:54:29 mircea_popescu: dignork that's not the problem. the equation roughly is, "total btc miners get for mining". how that chunk is composed dun matter much.

02:54:46 mircea_popescu: so per-block went from 50.00x to 25.0x

02:54:50 mircea_popescu: roughly, halved.

02:55:30 mircea_popescu: and it looks like it's gonna go 12.x, and then x as in 6-9ish

02:56:19 TheNewDeal: do you think miners will start rejecting transactions with fees below a certain amount?

02:56:28 mircea_popescu: aren't they already ?

02:56:32 TheNewDeal: as in, .00025 or something

02:56:38 TheNewDeal: currently it's .0001

02:56:43 mircea_popescu: well so there you go.

02:56:58 TheNewDeal: I'm just wondering, do yo think that is how things will go?

02:57:01 mircea_popescu: it's a market, unlikely it'll ever go over a buck or w/e.

02:57:16 mircea_popescu: obviouisly. scarce resource, expensive to make. gotta be this tal lto ride.

02:57:54 TheNewDeal: it would be interesting to see if there were peak hours where high fee transactions were the vast majority to get through

02:58:00 TheNewDeal: then off peak, back to some lower levels

02:58:17 mircea_popescu: maybe some timezone effect eventually.

02:59:09 mircea_popescu: !up jborkl

02:59:16 jborkl: Thank you

02:59:53 mircea_popescu: !up Ginux

03:00:25 mircea_popescu: tefl/tkt ? holy shit, english teachers are now talking about their connections in the world ? what the fuck is wrong with this world, jesus.

03:00:25 jborkl: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-assets-1st-annual-bitcoin-awards/

03:00:26 assbot: 403 Forbidden

03:00:40 jborkl: Never mind the 403 it works

03:00:46 mircea_popescu: everyone's just sell sell sell not even a moment to consider it may be veering into the fucking ridiculous after a while ?

03:02:06 mircea_popescu: punkman: sounds like some honest hard work over there << i wonder how much btc they get paid.

03:02:47 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot bats_cd03

03:02:48 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bats_cd03: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bats_cd03 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bats_cd03 | Rated since: never

03:02:56 mircea_popescu: ;;rate bats_cd03 New blood.

03:02:56 gribble: Error: 'New' is not a valid integer.

03:02:59 mircea_popescu: ;;rate bats_cd03 1 New blood.

03:03:00 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

03:03:08 mircea_popescu: bats_cd03 get in the wot wouldja.

03:03:10 mircea_popescu: !up bats_cd03

03:03:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00073702 = 32.8711 BTC [-] {3}

03:03:50 mircea_popescu: punkman: "The sale still has 28 days left to go; although we are not expecting much out of this remaining period, anything is possible." <- why would it suddenly stop? << three gini guesses, and anything that's not "because they stopped wash trading" dun count.

03:05:16 mircea_popescu: punkman: "the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000 followed by rent at $111,000" << shoudl be interesting what they rent for 111k. weren't the derps in san francisco whining coupla months ago that 10 / month / sqfoot is "outside of what a business can pay" ?

03:07:26 TheNewDeal: is bats different from mats?

03:09:06 mircea_popescu: i has nfi.

03:11:47 mircea_popescu: i ended up in http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?page=3&order=dateup and im chortling to myself lmao.

03:11:47 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

03:11:51 mircea_popescu: this shit's gotten pretty good by now

03:15:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 278 @ 0.00188898 = 0.5251 BTC [+]

03:15:52 kakobrekla: <TheNewDeal> do you think miners will start rejecting transactions with fees below a certain amount? < only the poor people pay fees

03:16:55 mircea_popescu: bitcoin, retrograde in more than one ways.

03:22:31 TheNewDeal: is that why bitbet takes so long from resolved to my wallet :D

03:22:39 nanotube: <mircea_popescu> nanotube hey listen, is there some way for gribble or http://bitcoin-otc.com to be queried by gpg signature rather than nick ? <- if you mean by gpg keyid/print, then gpg info supports query by keyid. website does not currently but in theory that can be arranged.

03:22:39 assbot: #bitcoin-otc

03:25:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14473 @ 0.00073589 = 10.6505 BTC [-] {2}

03:25:41 nanotube: ;;help gpg info

03:25:41 gribble: (gpg info [--key|--address] <nick>) -- Returns the registration details of registered user <nick>. If '--key' option is given, interpret <nick> as a GPG key ID.

03:26:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12577 @ 0.00073455 = 9.2384 BTC [-]

03:27:24 TheNewDeal: ;;google define: test

03:27:24 gribble: Speedtest.net by Ookla - The Global Broadband Speed Test: http://www.speedtest.net/; Personality test based on C. Jung and I. Briggs Myers type theory: http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp; Speakeasy Speed Test: https://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

03:29:33 copumpkin: MPOE tanking!

03:29:41 copumpkin: (cheap MPOE?)

03:36:59 TheNewDeal: get it while its cold

03:37:53 cazalla: when did havelock change so that you must be logged in and own shares in order to download reports?

03:38:15 cazalla: it throws me this message when i tried to grab casinobitco.in update - "You must be logged in and own units of the fund"

03:39:31 cazalla: actually, works for some, not others, maybe it's up to whoever listed it

03:42:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 31 @ 0.02523161 = 0.7822 BTC [-]

03:42:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2759999 = 0.552 BTC [+]

03:44:57 mircea_popescu: nanotube the gribble part is good enough.

03:45:16 mircea_popescu: ;;gpginfo 2FB7B452

03:45:17 gribble: Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.

03:45:23 mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info 2FB7B452

03:45:24 gribble: No such user registered.

03:45:42 mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452

03:45:42 gribble: No such user registered.

03:45:54 mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info 8A736F0E2FB7B452

03:45:55 gribble: No such user registered.

03:46:01 mircea_popescu: nanotube what am i doing wrong ?

03:46:23 mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info --key 8A736F0E2FB7B452

03:46:23 gribble: User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011, last authed on Mon Aug 11 17:27:18 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu .

03:46:27 mircea_popescu: a yay!

03:46:30 mircea_popescu: Jason ^

03:46:46 mircea_popescu: nanotube tyvm, sorry for all the highlights :)

03:51:50 mircea_popescu: bats_cd03: apparently, composite materials involved in fire result in aerosolized particles that can behave like asbestos <<< yes, this is why fires are so dangerous in contemporary urban settings. the smoke kills you more often than the fire.

03:52:22 mircea_popescu: it's a great coincidence that wood burns cleanly and coal only slightly dirty, otherwise civilisation'd have been quite a different thing.

03:56:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-assets-1st-annual-bitcoin-awards/

03:59:01 nanotube: mircea_popescu: np :)

03:59:30 mircea_popescu: i can't decide if i prefer cognac or rum with this chocolate fondue. they're both so damned good!

03:59:57 mircea_popescu: i may end like buridan's ass

04:22:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 322 @ 0.00185138 = 0.5961 BTC [-] {2}

04:23:22 ben_vulpes: floats and longs and dates and times and ints and bigints and omg i had no idea computers were insane

04:23:33 ben_vulpes: but i guess it makes sense

04:23:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 299 @ 0.001851 = 0.5534 BTC [-]

04:26:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.27599684 = 1.104 BTC [-] {2}

04:28:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 36 @ 0.01430999 = 0.5152 BTC [+] {2}

04:28:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.276 = 2.208 BTC [+]

04:43:23 mircea_popescu: ====insane

04:47:47 ben_vulpes: i always thought numbers came in a select set of logical groups

04:47:49 ben_vulpes: real

04:47:51 ben_vulpes: irrational

04:47:52 ben_vulpes: imaginary

04:58:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42728 @ 0.00073197 = 31.2756 BTC [-] {2}

04:59:41 mircea_popescu: you're suffering from tim's mental feebleness.

04:59:56 mircea_popescu: the numbers are not the problem. their representation is. much like "ideas" come in sets of logical groups

05:00:13 mircea_popescu: except random derps don't have ideas, tehy have expressions of what they think are ideas.

05:00:18 mircea_popescu: totally different thing.

05:02:51 mircea_popescu: http://www.thecoinsman.com/2014/08/bitcoin/inside-chinese-bitcoin-mine/ << pretty cool article. maybe someone tell the guy to come by ?

05:02:53 assbot: Inside a Chinese Bitcoin Mine | The CoinsmanThe Coinsman

05:03:29 punkman: oh wow TimSwanson and his DATA

05:03:57 mircea_popescu: punkman six hours in, log is magically 15k lines long.

05:04:06 punkman: yeah fuck me

05:04:28 punkman: mircea_popescu: I like how he complains about ad hominem and spits them out every few lines


05:06:05 mircea_popescu: the thing with people is that most of them are better served by following than leading. this is manifested by an inability to adhere to a self-selected set of rules. so, you know, he wants to roll with the punches.

05:06:31 mircea_popescu: gotta show me i'm not the only one that can be an asshole!

05:07:20 mircea_popescu: there's a nice quote in that 60s scofield movie on just this topic :

05:07:21 mircea_popescu: The Duke of Norfolk: Oh confound all this. I'm not a scholar, I don't know whether the marriage was lawful or not but dammit, Thomas, look at these names! Why can't you do as I did and come with us, for fellowship!

05:07:21 mircea_popescu: Sir Thomas More: And when we die, and you are sent to heaven for doing your conscience, and I am sent to hell for not doing mine, will you come with me, for fellowship?

05:09:10 ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust gavinandresen

05:09:11 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user gavinandresen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=gavinandresen | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gavinandresen | Rated since: Mon Mar 28 12:32:28 2011

05:10:02 ben_vulpes: ;;rate gavinandresen -1 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2861#issuecomment-29491869

05:10:04 assbot: Add support for watch-only addresses by sipa Pull Request #2861 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub

05:10:04 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

05:10:07 ben_vulpes: ;;eauth ben_vulpes

05:10:08 gribble: Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA

05:10:27 ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5a4d800574af8164a4e5034d6639538d5426c4937ac9c827e2fd40a7

05:10:28 gribble: You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA

05:10:34 ben_vulpes: ;;rate gavinandresen -1 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2861#issuecomment-29491869

05:10:36 assbot: Add support for watch-only addresses by sipa Pull Request #2861 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub

05:10:36 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user gavinandresen has been recorded.

05:13:02 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what am i missing here ?

05:16:22 ben_vulpes: "Could you just run with an always-encrypted wallet instead, and if not, why not?"

05:16:44 ben_vulpes: ex-CUSE me?

05:17:43 ben_vulpes: this guy helped shut watch-only wallets and addresses out of the core client, while merging in heartbleed.

05:18:43 ben_vulpes: but someone making comments like that cannot be trusted with bitcoin code review.

05:18:52 ben_vulpes: i'd be *thrilled* to hear the counterpoint.

05:21:46 mircea_popescu: i don't get it. you can already run watch-only addresses.

05:21:51 mircea_popescu: i can definitely watch yours.

05:21:59 mircea_popescu: what's at stake ?!

05:22:22 dignork: ben_vulpes: well, his proper answer would be: here is x-lines of python code, that will overwrite privkey with 0's in your wallet, now load it as read-only

05:24:13 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how are you doing watch only addresses?

05:24:40 mircea_popescu: you can grep the blockchain for chrissakes if nothing else.

05:24:51 mircea_popescu: seems to me an incredibly minor point

05:25:28 mircea_popescu: you can insert any address you want in your wallet. sure, you won't have the privkey to sign with it. so ?

05:27:02 dignork: mircea_popescu: it need to be marked as encrypted, otherwise bitcoind might do stupid things

05:28:28 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/HistoryInPics/status/497831881145344001/photo/1

05:28:30 assbot: Robin Williams cheerleading for the Denver Broncos, 1980 http://t.co/CxMfCl6uIs

05:28:35 ben_vulpes: the thing was ready. now i need to go load the wallet.dat format into my brain.

05:29:37 mircea_popescu: or you can just merge yourself and compile.

05:29:48 mircea_popescu: any way you turn it this is minor kitchenwork.

05:29:50 punkman: I am subjecting myself to Swanson's book

05:29:53 punkman: "as detailed in chapter 9, having 100% full reserve  is not a feature, it is a bug that holds and prevents the network from reproducing or creating an actual banking system."

05:30:04 mircea_popescu: punkman let me know if you get to something noteworthy.

05:30:17 ben_vulpes: *shrug*

05:30:18 ben_vulpes: i'd wished to put the time to better use.

05:30:37 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes o you trying to have a watcher in place ?

05:31:49 ben_vulpes: yeah.

05:31:49 punkman: "the security of digitized fiat currencies are arguably just as secure (via cryptography) as cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin; no one steals money off Fedwire or Visa’s system, it is the edges of the network that are the most vulnerable"

05:32:04 punkman: I think these two sum up his preconceptions

05:34:03 mircea_popescu: i doubt the ideological needs of pierce's masters can so readily be summed up.

05:34:31 mircea_popescu: one needs a whole lot of various crap to keep the fiat boat afloat.

05:43:18 pete_dushenski: http://www.darkreading.com/attacks-and-breaches/malware-alert-is-badbios-rootkit-jumping-air-gaps/d/d-id/1112169

05:43:20 assbot: Malware Alert: Is 'BadBIOS' Rootkit Jumping Air Gaps?

05:44:33 pete_dushenski: "The weirdest part is how it uses ultrasonic sound to jump air gaps," - Schneier

05:45:08 pete_dushenski: "the odd behavior affected not just Macs but also Windows and Linux systems, and only ceased when the microphone, external speaker, and speaker attached to the motherboard were removed."

05:45:51 punkman: wasn't that one debunked

05:46:07 pete_dushenski: quite possibly

05:46:12 pete_dushenski: first i've heard of it

05:46:18 punkman: !s badbios

05:46:19 assbot: 24 results for 'badbios' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=badbios

05:46:26 pete_dushenski: article is over a year ols

05:46:28 pete_dushenski: old*

05:47:33 pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2013/badbios-aka-badlydonedamagecontrol/

05:47:35 assbot: #BadBios, aka #BadlyDoneDamageControl pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

05:47:59 pete_dushenski: also, that's quite the new header on trilema

05:48:10 pete_dushenski: it's the headiest header i ever did see

05:54:36 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they keep rewarming this stale voodoo.

05:55:27 pete_dushenski: disinfo can be just as sticky, if not stickier, than info

05:55:32 mircea_popescu: guy that made the first pwn2own thing went nuts making insane claims. exactly what impotent bureaucracies trying to pass for dangerous spooks would like to hear.

05:55:56 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski got teeth ? :D

05:56:32 pete_dushenski: and only one cavity!

05:56:42 pete_dushenski: that is, filling

05:57:31 RagnarDanneskjol: +1 - new header is epic

05:58:12 mircea_popescu: it;'s really quite old. about amonth or so apart from the world famous horseback one.

05:58:45 RagnarDanneskjol: horseback still my fav - was that photoshopped or really @ pyramids?

05:59:05 RagnarDanneskjol: such good framing

05:59:10 RagnarDanneskjol: looks fake

06:00:15 mircea_popescu: yes it was at teh pyramids.

06:00:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2672177 = 0.5344 BTC [-]

06:00:34 RagnarDanneskjol: nice

06:01:07 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/l_m_goodman/status/497721593905565696 << she don't quit

06:01:08 assbot: If /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash is antifragile, as is often claimed, why are many of its holders so virulently adverse to competition?

06:01:55 pete_dushenski: i should dig up my old photos from giza

06:03:17 pete_dushenski: the best one has my brother and i playing golf in the shadow of the pyramids

06:03:29 pete_dushenski: mina house golf course iirc

06:04:14 mircea_popescu: you can tell her we're just virulently adverse to unselfaware idiocy

06:04:24 punkman: well I've been looking for all that data in the book but I only found copy-pasted charts of dubious provenance and footnote links of dubious provenance. Not even a single link to organofcorti.

06:04:48 pete_dushenski: like this lovely lady http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/19/3f/00003f19_medium.jpeg

06:05:21 pete_dushenski: ^who is nothing like leah and everything like a civilized woman enjoying cairo in style

06:05:32 mircea_popescu: punkman so this is yet another case of "mp makes definite statements on no basis ; later they turn out to be true." ?

06:05:50 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: just like "the govs are mining!"

06:06:09 mircea_popescu: it sucks being such a religious leader all the god damned time.

06:06:40 mod6: haha

06:06:41 punkman: aha

06:07:10 mircea_popescu: (this is what i'm going to call people that are right from now on. if leah derpman can make nonsensical statement then chase it with "saying it doesn't make it so" @ som eunfortunate soul that tried to point out she's talking out her butt, why can't i!)

06:13:04 punkman: you know what's really annoying? clicking on a footnote, jumping to end of book, then not being able to go back to the footnote reference

06:13:28 punkman: so hey guys, if you write a book, footnotes go at the end of each page

06:17:55 mircea_popescu: nah you just need to insert a return symbol.

06:18:08 mircea_popescu: most nonretarded noting systems do this by default.

06:20:21 mod6: %d

06:20:24 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1761109.84 in 175 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 275.07

06:21:13 mircea_popescu: 1.7mn ? srsly ?!

06:21:21 mircea_popescu: %p

06:21:22 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 7440.49 GH/s

06:21:31 mircea_popescu: 7.5th ?

06:21:43 mod6: yeah

06:22:05 mod6: that thing always has reported in gh/s on its website so I just use that.

06:22:22 mod6: the atc gotw is about to come to a screeching halt. lol

06:22:26 mircea_popescu: this is a high hash mark isnt it

06:22:41 mod6: it might be, ya

06:23:04 mircea_popescu: Humans are highly adaptive creatures and incredibly ingenious when it comes to modifying our behavior in the face of externally or internally applied pressure and circumstance. ?Normal? is a relative term, not some static measurement, and both the body and mind quickly becomes accustomed to the ?new? normal when choices appear to be limited and the herd moves to a new grazing field. But this doesn?t mean the

06:23:04 mircea_popescu: results of social pressures and generational conditioning are dictated by human nature or that human nature guides human behavior under these extraordinarily distorted circumstances.

06:23:07 mircea_popescu: fucking hell these idiots.

06:23:16 mircea_popescu: why doesn't it mean ? cuz author says so ?

06:25:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 215 @ 0.00432635 = 0.9302 BTC [+] {3}

06:33:08 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.resourceinvestor.com/2014/08/11/vix-vs-gold-the-ultimate-battle-between-fear-gree?ref=hp

06:33:09 assbot: VIX vs. Gold: The ultimate battle between fear & greed | Resource Investor

06:36:56 mircea_popescu: http://media.resourceinvestor.com/resourceinvestor/article/2014/08/11/mansour.jpg that's no correlation.

06:38:30 RagnarDanneskjol: d was this "

06:38:46 RagnarDanneskjol: only interesting bit i found was this:

06:38:53 RagnarDanneskjol: Something within the composition of the relationship between gold and VIX has changed in this timeframe. For the past two years, it has been a largely negative correlated relationship amassing around -0.4 to -0.3. However, come summer of 2013, there has been a dramatic reversal of this trend, pushing it into unprecedented territories of a positive correlation upwards of +0.5. The large swings following summer of 2013

06:38:53 RagnarDanneskjol: before leveling off in April could be noise, or the effects of this relationship changing.

06:39:52 RagnarDanneskjol: i thought the same thing, chart doesnt support anything

06:41:11 mircea_popescu: only a mind that never played with statistics can think there's something in there.

06:41:26 mircea_popescu: make two random series, fit them, you'll get something more or less like that

06:41:34 mircea_popescu: wild swings up and down

06:41:44 RagnarDanneskjol: says guy is an ""analyst""" here: https://www.digitaltangibletrust.com/

06:41:45 assbot: Welcome to DigitalTangible

06:41:48 RagnarDanneskjol: rolls eyes

06:42:18 mircea_popescu: maybe he's an analyst as opposed to a cunning linguist.

06:42:25 RagnarDanneskjol: heh

06:42:51 RagnarDanneskjol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsFL17DvOIA

06:42:51 assbot: CunninLynguists - "Enemies With Benefits" featuring Tonedeff - YouTube

06:58:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3387 @ 0.00072833 = 2.4669 BTC [-]

07:32:45 jurov: !t m f.mpif

07:32:45 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021999 / 0.00021999 / 0.00022 (1500 shares, 0.33 BTC), 30D: 0.00019 / 0.00020702 / 0.00022 (93120 shares, 19.28 BTC)

07:41:01 kyuupichan: Altcoin space undergoing something of a collapse

07:41:30 xmj: RagnarDanneskjol: like your name, heh

07:41:43 pankkake: oooh ltc finaly under 0.01. nice

07:42:28 kyuupichan: pankkake: Likely for good this time

07:44:10 RagnarDanneskjol: thanks - I am a privateer, not a pirate

07:45:17 RagnarDanneskjol: i fought a hard battle to get it corrected in wikipedia but gave up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlas_Shrugged_characters#Ragnar_Danneskj.C3.B6ld

07:45:17 assbot: List of Atlas Shrugged characters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

07:45:53 pankkake: what do you mean corrected?

07:46:02 RagnarDanneskjol: more accurate desc is here> http://www.conservapedia.com/Ragnar_Danneskj%C3%B6ld

07:46:04 assbot: Ragnar Danneskjld - Conservapedia

07:46:13 RagnarDanneskjol: I mean edited it then they change it back

07:46:32 pankkake: but what correction? also lol conservapedia

07:46:50 RagnarDanneskjol: in wiki It calls him a pirate

07:47:14 pankkake: oh

07:48:27 mircea_popescu: <kyuupichan> pankkake: Likely for good this time << prolly.

07:48:35 mircea_popescu: !up antonosika

07:49:22 mircea_popescu: antonosika if you want 2016 delivery we can just do that.

07:53:36 mircea_popescu: lol someone got pete all riled up.

07:56:39 kyuupichan: BRK.A about 348 BTC. Has to go under 314 BTC by March or I'm fscked.

07:56:39 antonosika: Well that's higher risk too. The issue would be being paid 1 Satoshi if delayed. Why not just change it to a second contract with delivery 2016 if delay?

07:57:58 mircea_popescu: because you don't get a string of options.

07:58:07 mircea_popescu: pick a date you can live with and that's that.

07:58:40 mircea_popescu: kyuupichan what if it goes to 300 or w/e

07:58:51 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-december/

07:58:51 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December :: 1.03 B (25%) on Yes, 3.1 B (75%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 98`791 (100`000 to 1)

07:59:28 kyuupichan: Don't care so much there :)

07:59:42 mircea_popescu: but if btc drops...

08:00:00 kyuupichan: If BTC drops it might tempt more into the BRK.A bet, which could be good.

08:08:59 antonosika: mircea_popescu I could do that but I don't see the reason. A contract where one party has a chance to recieve nothing is a large and unnecessary risk

08:10:07 antonosika: Would it be possible to have 2016 delivery but delivery march 2015 provided a few requirements?

08:26:10 mircea_popescu: antonosika the idea here is that the constant admin costs aren't worth it to me.

08:26:28 mircea_popescu: im not looking for an opportunity to play the businessman. i'm sick and tired of the actual work of it.

08:26:49 mircea_popescu: so you'll have to somehow come to terms with a one-off sort of contract. i'm not chaining conditionals.

08:29:12 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

08:29:14 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 566.31, Best ask: 568.82, Bid-ask spread: 2.51000, Last trade: 568.83, 24 hour volume: 8025.64486705, 24 hour low: 565.44, 24 hour high: 589.28, 24 hour vwap: 0

08:31:17 kuzetsa: ;;calc [avgprc usd 24h] - [avgprc usd 7d]

08:31:18 gribble: 3.5

08:32:13 mircea_popescu: not so much volatility huh.

08:32:31 *: kuzetsa nods

08:32:42 kyuupichan: mircea_popescu: Anyone take you up on your Ether offer?

08:32:54 mircea_popescu: kyuupichan just a lot of talk around it so far.

08:32:58 kuzetsa: short term fluctuations on a few exchanges, but the weekly changes have been less than $20usd for a while now from what I've noticed

08:33:20 kyuupichan: Lame

08:33:34 kuzetsa: I can't recall ever having seen bitcoin exchange rates this stable for so long before

08:33:38 mircea_popescu: kyuupichan the eth scammers pretty much admitted it was all wash trading in some blogpost recently

08:33:51 kuzetsa: wash trading?

08:33:52 mircea_popescu: so nothing to be particularly surprised about.

08:33:54 kuzetsa: O_O

08:33:57 mircea_popescu: ;;google wash trading

08:33:57 gribble: Wash Trading Definition | Investopedia: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/washtrading.asp; Wash trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wash_trade; Wash sale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wash_sale

08:34:13 kuzetsa: haha no, I know

08:34:20 kuzetsa: I just wasn't aware that was going on

08:36:45 RagnarDanneskjol: lemme know if you want a search run for someone to pick up the slack on those constant admin time costs - just let me know what measurwments you need, blonde or brunette

08:37:24 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol it's not really something one can outsource. liquidity events are notoriously contentious, high level sort of work.

08:37:49 RagnarDanneskjol: I get it, you can keep her chained in the basement tho

08:37:57 mircea_popescu: lol

08:38:05 mircea_popescu: poor girl.

08:40:13 fluffypony: goodbye Litecoin

08:40:15 fluffypony: we hardly knew ye

08:40:26 kuzetsa: oh, really?

08:40:33 kuzetsa: no more litecoin? yay!!!

08:40:34 cazalla: but it's silver fluffypony

08:40:37 mircea_popescu: it's not dead just because it lost the 100:1 thing

08:40:46 mircea_popescu: it'll be around for years as people unwind.

08:40:53 fluffypony: it crashed 18%

08:40:58 fluffypony: after the recent decline

08:41:04 mircea_popescu: long way to 99.9855

08:41:10 fluffypony: yeah spose

08:41:34 mircea_popescu: actually, this suggests a bet to me.

08:42:05 cazalla: pretty accurate animated gif for dogecoin https://img.4plebs.org/boards/s4s/image/1385/13/1385137104421.gif

08:42:05 assbot: Human verification - 4plebs archive

08:44:10 kuzetsa: cazalla: wow, that's kinda sick O_O

08:44:46 kuzetsa: I didn't expect it to be a giffed doge snuff film thinger like that, whoa :(

08:45:09 cazalla: kuzetsa, it's just a doge

08:46:25 kuzetsa: I don't even like dogs, it still upset me though :(

08:47:39 mircea_popescu: why is the dog's tail shaking

08:47:44 cazalla: well, it's was dead long before the gif was made so what's it matter

08:48:10 cazalla: mircea_popescu, because he's happy

08:48:40 mircea_popescu: is this like fake dog snuff ?

08:49:03 cazalla: nfi, prob how koreans kill them or something

08:49:32 mircea_popescu: poor dog.

08:53:55 mircea_popescu: !up Enky

08:55:36 []bot: Bet created: "LTC dead before Doge" http://bitbet.us/bet/1021/

08:55:55 mircea_popescu: a there we go.

08:56:14 xanthyos: why is the tail's dog wagging?

08:56:32 mircea_popescu: because it didn't read teh logs.

08:56:57 cazalla: loge

08:57:08 mircea_popescu: such no

10:20:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 62 @ 0.02523161 = 1.5644 BTC [-]

11:15:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 21 @ 0.02523161 = 0.5299 BTC [-]

11:15:55 nubbins`: robin williams, hey

11:18:48 fluffypony: yeah sad

11:27:48 xmj: !up bounc

11:27:49 xmj: !up bounce

11:51:42 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hollywood Bitcoin's Best Tits SexySaffron

11:51:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:54:46 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hollywood Best Broker Coinbr/Jurov +1

11:54:46 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:57:32 cazalla: f5 f5 f5 f5, romanian to english articles on trilema must be 20:1

11:59:06 BingoBoingo: lol yeah

11:59:57 BingoBoingo: But English is picking up on trilema. Maybe you have unlucky f5, though many of the Romanian articles offer decent background on things useful for understanding the English ones

12:02:15 cazalla: i should've kept count but i went at least 15 romanian articles before hitting an english one, just-dice martingale strategiser nightmare come to life

12:03:08 cazalla: and i know sign language (auslan) so none of this sole english speaker crap k

12:10:16 BingoBoingo: Where's this comment mircea_popescu left on Tim Swanson's blog?

12:13:45 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.ofnumbers.com/2014/08/12/bitcoins-pr-challenges/

12:13:47 assbot: Bitcoin’s PR challenges | Great Wall of Numbers

12:14:02 RagnarDanneskjol: thought it was here, maybe he took down

12:14:56 BingoBoingo: I'm not seeing any comments on there

12:15:13 RagnarDanneskjol: I kno - think he removed maybe - dood is a mealey mouthed wanker

12:15:56 cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, what's with the ad hom attacks?

12:16:04 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hollywood Most Mealy Mouthed Wanker of the Periphery of this Space Tim Swanson

12:16:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:16:24 BingoBoingo: %d

12:16:25 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1762865.42 in 19 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 275.44

12:16:40 RagnarDanneskjol: nothing, just calling it how I see

12:18:53 pankkake: I'm pretty sure he submitted his thing to reddit himself

12:19:09 pankkake: the titles are so highly suspicious

12:19:24 pankkake: also, I'm fairly sure no one read his thing entirely

12:19:45 pankkake: this has "i want attention" all over it

12:19:49 RagnarDanneskjol: i did regrettably

12:19:49 BingoBoingo: I'll prolly read it since free pdf's == lulz fuel!!!

12:19:54 fluffypony: https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/493811684054949889


12:20:00 pankkake: you had the time to read those 300 pages?!

12:20:04 fluffypony: assbot cut it off

12:20:09 RagnarDanneskjol: i read fast


12:20:17 fluffypony: such lol

12:20:45 BingoBoingo: %t

12:20:51 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 222 Last Price: 222 24h-Vol: 662k High: 222 Low: 187 VWAP: 207

12:22:22 RagnarDanneskjol: phpceo is good stuff thanks

12:25:12 RagnarDanneskjol: https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/433005244541177856


12:32:02 fluffypony: hah hah

12:32:43 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2cz537/this_is_going_to_be_heavily_ignored_but_this_is/cjkho3n so obvious

12:32:44 assbot: _nightengale_ comments on This is going to be heavily ignored but this is really important. A long well written paper about the issues with bitcoin.

12:33:42 BingoBoingo: lolz

12:36:07 BingoBoingo: Even before we get to the Content of Swanson's book.... Dude needs a fucking editor/publisher or to read the Chicago Manual of Style.

12:36:43 RagnarDanneskjol: yea, its rather painful

12:36:49 pankkake: the PDF doesn't display well on my browser, I have text on text

12:38:02 BingoBoingo: !up BigBitz

12:38:13 BigBitz: Thanks, dude.

12:38:17 BigBitz: That link is hilarious.

12:38:25 BigBitz: 280+ 'paper' on Bitcoin.

12:38:25 BingoBoingo: page numbering is off, the footnote links suck

12:38:32 BigBitz: Someone loves the sound of their own voice (writing)

12:40:01 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.sg.ethz.ch/media/publication_files/J._R._Soc._Interface-2014-Garcia-.pdf

12:40:26 RagnarDanneskjol: [PDF] The digital traces of bubbles: feedback cycles between

12:42:33 RagnarDanneskjol: ...between socio-economic signals in the btc community

12:42:53 BingoBoingo: Seriously why does everyone with a copy of MS Word and Adobe Acrobat think they can self publish, with out the skills, without the practice, to make a fucking document work!

12:43:52 RagnarDanneskjol: safer link: http://rsif.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/suppl/2014/08/06/rsif.2014.0623.DC1.html

12:43:53 assbot: Data Supplement

12:46:41 BingoBoingo: Oh, and his footnotes have fucking broken links, because a hyperlink is an insufficient citation format for "a book" even if it is an ebook!

12:47:13 thestringpuller: ;;seen ben_vulpes

12:47:13 gribble: ben_vulpes was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 15 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <ben_vulpes> yeah.

12:50:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22443 @ 0.00073737 = 16.5488 BTC [+]

12:50:27 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: everyone with a copy of MS Word and Adobe Acrobat think they can self publish, with out the skills << wait till they get a hold of 'latex'

12:51:08 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what's wrong with latex?

12:51:09 thestringpuller: lol

12:51:14 thestringpuller: i thought it was the standard for white papers

12:51:48 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what's wrong with latex << nothing. but plenty wrong with idiots

12:53:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I love latex, great for documents that actually get printed

12:53:42 thestringpuller: i have yet to learn latex

12:53:44 thestringpuller: it is too hard for me

12:54:22 asciilifeform: there is no practical alternative to latex for mathematical typesetting (microshit is not a practical alternative to anything, ever)

12:54:28 BingoBoingo: Latex isn't really something the needs to be learned so much as done with a helpful companion book next to you

12:54:33 asciilifeform: but looks like everyone is missing the original point.

12:55:25 BingoBoingo: !up The20YearIRCloud

12:55:37 asciilifeform: presently you can do a kind of basic 'iq filter' just by, e.g. ignoring anything whatsoever distributed as an ms-word turd

12:56:00 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: George Gratzer's "First Steps in Latex" is the book I use

12:56:22 asciilifeform: but as idiots, with some struggle, learn more 'adult' systems in their effort to mimic actual people, this useful heuristic stops working

12:57:15 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu 891

12:57:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:57:15 BingoBoingo: Interac

12:57:16 BingoBoingo: ting with fiat institution, a guide

12:57:16 BingoBoingo: by Mircea Popescu,

12:57:16 BingoBoingo: SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering

12:57:16 BingoBoingo: Unregistered Securities

12:57:19 BingoBoingo: ,

12:57:21 BingoBoingo: SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering

12:57:23 BingoBoingo: from

12:57:25 BingoBoingo: MarketWatch

12:57:27 BingoBoingo: and

12:57:29 BingoBoingo: SEC Alleges

12:57:31 BingoBoingo: Texas Man Ran $4.5 Million Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme

12:57:33 BingoBoingo: from LexisNexis

12:57:51 The20YearIRCloud: Who was 4.5m guy?

12:58:10 The20YearIRCloud: Jon?

12:58:12 kakobrekla: how can you not know this

13:05:02 fluffypony: lol

13:05:02 fluffypony: https://plus.google.com/+ColinMcMillen/posts/eFVJLCVKLdc

13:07:25 kakobrekla: dis a joke?

13:07:58 fluffypony: kakobrekla: which part?

13:08:10 kakobrekla: myea.

13:09:29 kakobrekla: >Pavol Rusnak11:50 AM+1

13:09:29 kakobrekla: 2

13:09:29 kakobrekla: 1

13:09:29 kakobrekla:

13:09:30 kakobrekla:

13:09:31 kakobrekla: We wanted to change the wording on box that hologram seal is an authenticity measure, not a security measure, exactly for this reason. But it was too late and quite big amount of boxes was already printed. We'll change this in a future release of box.

13:09:36 kakobrekla: jesus what a failpaste.

13:09:41 kakobrekla: we seem to be on the roll today

13:09:45 fluffypony: lol

13:09:59 assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0W21Y7T.txt )

13:09:59 fluffypony: !b 9

13:10:41 The20YearIRCloud: nice

13:11:27 RagnarDanneskjol: http://contravex.com/2014/08/12/tim-swansons-pr-challenges/

13:11:28 assbot: Tim Swanson’s PR Challenges | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

13:13:31 BingoBoingo: !up jborkl_

13:14:59 jborkl_: Thank you, remember to vote.

13:15:12 kakobrekla: shutup obama

13:15:21 pankkake: I would vote but I have no categories in mind

13:15:24 jborkl_: Lol

13:15:39 pankkake: and we might end up with many categories with one nominee only

13:16:53 jborkl_: That's ok, your vote you do whatever you want

13:17:14 jborkl_: I am having a logo made

13:18:35 pankkake: 1518 [freenode] ChanServ(ChanServ@services.) Information on #litecoin-assets:

13:18:38 pankkake: 1518 [freenode] ChanServ(ChanServ@services.) Founder : Chaang-Noi

13:19:14 kakobrekla: ;;seen chaang-noi

13:19:14 gribble: chaang-noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 26 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 19 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <Chaang-Noi> might have to sue em

13:19:23 kakobrekla: SUE ERYBODY

13:23:12 BigBitz: LOL kakobrekla.

13:26:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.2762058 = 9.391 BTC [+] {7}

13:32:14 BingoBoingo: %d

13:32:16 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1742547.71 in 8 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 271.11

13:33:26 BingoBoingo: !up karma

13:33:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.0007347 = 10.1389 BTC [-]

13:36:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.2781 = 8.6211 BTC [+]

13:36:27 nubbins`: the thing about doing rainbow-roll t-shirts is that at the end, you've got a big mess of brown ink

13:36:35 nubbins`: how many browns does one shop need?

13:36:45 nubbins`: i should start charging a wastage premium for these

13:37:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 46 @ 0.02523161 = 1.1607 BTC [-]

13:38:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2781 = 1.3905 BTC [+]

13:47:23 BigBitz: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/12/lastpass_outage/

13:47:23 assbot: Password manager LastPass goes titsup: Users LOCKED OUT The Register

13:47:26 BigBitz: such irony.

13:52:39 kyuupichan: lol, a few blocks to ATC diff megaramp and mysterious miner runs away

14:00:19 penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/12/tim-swansons-pr-challenges/

14:00:54 pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-selects-bitgo-enterprise-manage-finances/

14:00:54 assbot: Bitcoin Foundation Selects BitGo Enterprise to Manage Finances

14:01:16 pankkake: pete_dushenski: do you have caching or some sort of feed delay?

14:03:01 pete_dushenski: pankkake: my rss seems to be a bit fuzzy atm

14:03:19 pete_dushenski: as soon as i clean up the spaces on the php files, it pops out

14:03:28 pete_dushenski: otherwise, takes forever

14:03:34 pankkake: yeah also it only gives the last article

14:03:38 pankkake: clean the spaces?!

14:04:04 nubbins`: !up NormDePloome

14:04:09 pete_dushenski: remove the extra spaces between the lines of code

14:04:17 pete_dushenski: apparently this does something

14:04:55 pete_dushenski: and whaddya mean it only gives the last article?

14:05:27 pankkake: http://contravex.com/feed/ => only one article in the list

14:05:28 assbot: Contravex: A blog by Pete DushenskiContravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

14:06:09 pete_dushenski: hm ya that link is thoroughly borked.

14:06:18 pete_dushenski: when i click on it, it launched thunderbird lol

14:06:32 pankkake: that might be because it's your registered feed reader

14:06:54 pete_dushenski: huh ya i guess

14:07:10 pete_dushenski: seems odd that an email app would double as an rss feed reader

14:07:56 nubbins`: !up Dimsler

14:07:57 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2014#714813 and the next one.

14:07:58 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

14:08:08 pankkake: it also does NNTP (probably always did), Chat (XMPP, IRC, ...)

14:09:47 RagnarDanneskjol: shouldnt it just have the domain after this: </content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss> and not the domain/subpage

14:10:02 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: hm myeah

14:10:05 kakobrekla: noone gets the joke? meh.

14:10:43 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: too sofistikated!

14:10:55 []bot: Bet placed: 1.01010101 BTC for No on "Bitcoin >= $2000 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1014/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.67723352 BTC. Current weight: 91,889.

14:11:20 kakobrekla: ;;google aaron swartz death

14:11:21 gribble: Aaron Swartz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz; Aaron Swartz's Girlfriend Explains 'Why Aaron Died' - Mashable: http://mashable.com/2013/02/05/aaron-swartz-girlfriend-why-he-died/; Internet prodigy, activist Aaron Swartz commits suicide - CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/12/us/new-york-reddit-founder-suicide/

14:12:27 pankkake: kakobrekla: I got the joke, but too lazy to click on the link before

14:12:59 kakobrekla: hehe

14:13:07 pankkake: RSS sucks, Atom's better

14:13:18 kakobrekla: perhaps, marginally.

14:14:21 nubbins`: mighty atom

14:14:53 punkman: PubSubHubbub!

14:15:14 BingoBoingo: F5 is the best news feed, mash it until something new

14:16:46 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dbn57/whats_mark_karpeles_doing_today_whats_danny/cjnziyl

14:16:46 assbot: cryptocyprus comments on What's Mark Karpeles doing today? What's Danny Brewster doing today?

14:17:23 kakobrekla: seven nekkid gals reading the news in seven different languages at the same time > F5

14:19:22 kakobrekla: especially if F5 is remapped to shutdown.

14:21:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.27984 = 1.3992 BTC [+] {2}

14:22:34 fluffypony: pankkake: that's hilarious

14:23:49 BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dbn57/whats_mark_karpeles_doing_today_whats_danny/cjo0ymk

14:23:50 assbot: cryptocyprus comments on What's Mark Karpeles doing today? What's Danny Brewster doing today?

14:24:08 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: F5 is remapped to the on/of function of Andreas's pacemaker

14:24:45 kakobrekla: one would wish.

14:31:16 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/marc-emery-to-speak-in-windsor-ont-today-after-leaving-u-s-prison-1.2734051

14:31:17 assbot: Marc Emery to speak in Windsor, Ont., today after leaving U.S. prison - Canada - CBC News

14:33:58 pankkake: lol really you get extradited for selling pot?

14:34:28 nubbins`: nope

14:34:44 nubbins`: you get extradited for mailing seeds, which don't contain THC, to another country

14:35:24 nubbins`: before this happened, the all-time harshest punishment for a canadian citizen caught selling seeds was a $200 fine

14:38:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9553 @ 0.00073661 = 7.0368 BTC [+] {2}

14:41:21 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/499203821923753984

14:41:22 assbot: Russia say: "Why you no trust us? We wery humanitarian!" http://t.co/njozWrp3Cg

14:42:32 BingoBoingo: the former National Security Agency analyst and an outspoken critic of Edward Snowden, resigned Monday from his position as a professor at the US Naval War College months after a picture of his alleged penis surfaced online. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/snowden-critic-resigns-naval-war-college-over-online-penis-photo-flap/

14:42:32 assbot: Snowden critic resigns Naval War College after online penis photo flap | Ars Technica

14:42:38 BingoBoingo: ALLEGED PENIS!!!

14:43:14 BingoBoingo: %d

14:43:15 pankkake: why? it's very small or something?

14:43:17 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1725635.23 in 2 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 267.51

14:43:29 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Because it is alleged

14:43:58 pankkake: haven't found an ATC block in months

14:44:04 BingoBoingo: %t

14:44:05 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 250 Last Price: 220 24h-Vol: 337k High: 222 Low: 189 VWAP: 215

14:44:58 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well, mining is hard, but at least volume is up

14:45:51 pete_dushenski: pankkake: BingoBoingo this is why faces in nudie pics are so important

14:46:05 pete_dushenski: even better woulda been a 6-digit hash on the guy's dong

14:46:22 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Exactly, or if not faces sufficiently novel acts to make the nudes meritorious

14:48:54 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/499205651256868864 << i'll get through to rickards yet

14:48:55 assbot: Money's gone from /hashtag/gold?src=hash to paper to digital in 100 yrs. Each step makes it easier for government to steal. When the time comes, they will.

14:49:21 BingoBoingo: Oh this has been a thing since August 2nd http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/altcoin/

14:49:22 assbot: Altcoin (ATC) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations

14:49:42 pankkake: oh, pretty cool

14:51:03 the20year: Meh

14:51:05 BingoBoingo: Shame the things doesn't have much in the way of history yet

14:52:17 pete_dushenski: gotta start somewhere

14:53:37 pete_dushenski: so it turns out that mr. badbios, dragos ruiu, taught at my alma mater, which is here in town

14:54:01 pete_dushenski: ain't that the darnedest

14:54:13 pankkake: http://www.ofnumbers.com/2014/08/12/bitcoins-pr-challenges/ hahaha he approved a comment but not mine

14:54:34 pankkake: that's how you spot a tiny penis

14:56:03 pete_dushenski: and he didn't approve my pingback!

14:56:04 BingoBoingo: "There was a lot of talk recently about Gavin possibly changing the protocol to increase the number of transactions per block. As this formed quite a bit of chapter 2 I was wondering if you had an thoughts on this." << ALso not a thing that changes the protocol

14:56:06 pete_dushenski: swansoooon!

14:56:28 pankkake: and I certainly wasn't inappopriate or anything

14:56:35 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Hit him repeatedly with this http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/07/29/actual-internet-etiquette-trackbacks-and-spam/

14:56:36 assbot: Actual Internet Etiquette: Trackbacks and Spam | Bingo Blog

14:56:50 pankkake: I'm torn between insulting him elsewhere and not doing anything since he just wants the attention

14:58:16 pete_dushenski: the only way he gets more attention is if he stays on the ground rather than 6 feet under

14:58:25 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: that's an idea

14:59:37 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I mean trackbacks are pretty much the only part of the semanti web that works.

15:00:06 pete_dushenski: o right

15:00:11 pete_dushenski: agreed

15:01:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0007313 = 12.5052 BTC [-]

15:02:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 550 @ 0.0018 = 0.99 BTC

15:10:36 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/police-and-protestors-clash-in-a-cloud-of-tear-gas-in-f-1619914904

15:10:37 assbot: Police Fire Rubber Bullets and Tear Gas on Ferguson, Mo. Protestors

15:16:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2797 @ 0.0007313 = 2.0454 BTC [-]

15:23:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 560 @ 0.0018 = 1.008 BTC {3}

15:25:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 556 @ 0.0018 = 1.0008 BTC

15:34:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7707 @ 0.00073732 = 5.6825 BTC [+]

15:45:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00073925 = 17.4463 BTC [+] {3}

15:46:14 pete_dushenski: ;;nethash

15:46:14 gribble: 182312508.464

15:48:02 BingoBoingo: RIP QuickStop

15:48:52 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> kyuupichan the eth scammers pretty much admitted it was all wash trading in some blogpost recently << links, anyone?

15:49:33 artifexd: !s cryptopals

15:49:34 assbot: 1 results for 'cryptopals' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cryptopals

15:50:28 artifexd: http://cryptopals.com/ <- some nice lessons teaching how crypto works, how to attack it, and how easy it is to screw it up

15:50:28 assbot: The Matasano Crypto Challenges

15:50:33 RobinWilliams: sup

15:50:48 thestringpuller: :(

15:51:19 RobinWilliams: 100% of people who breathe air die.

15:51:53 BingoBoingo: RobinWilliams: Nice DIY project. Few are so successful.

15:53:12 punkman: ben_vulpes: https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/08/08/announcement-on-planned-exodus-withdrawal/

15:53:12 assbot: ethereum blog | Announcement on planned withdrawal from exodus

15:54:50 pete_dushenski: lol taleb got trolled

15:54:50 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/499210299711717376

15:54:52 assbot: What if academics followed the new model of /nfergus and /nntaleb and got paid based on /hashtag/controversy?src=hash and /hashtag/engagement?src=hash?

15:56:42 pankkake: that guy looks dumb. then again, I've only read his twits

15:58:42 pete_dushenski: pankkake: he's not dumb so much as born too late to grok the internet

15:59:01 fluffypony: https://twitter.com/ProfJeffJarvis/status/499205954534408192

15:59:02 assbot: What Kurdish fighters really need is a motivational hashtag, like /hashtag/AllIn?src=hash or nothing

15:59:02 fluffypony: lol

15:59:11 pete_dushenski: fluffypony: lmao

15:59:40 pete_dushenski: taleb can also be pretty emotional, lashing out on tards at the drop of a hat

15:59:59 fluffypony: https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/0c2adc17a0896fef419d5a4a7cb15b7c?s=96

15:59:59 pete_dushenski: in the real world, this is necessary and effective, online however...

16:00:03 punkman: pete_dushenski: I don't think younger people are that much better at troll detection

16:00:04 fluffypony: trustworthyness to the max

16:00:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76083848 BTC to 13`817 shares, 12744 satoshi per share

16:00:27 pete_dushenski: punkman: but younger people can learn

16:00:55 pete_dushenski: fluffypony: that man looks like a freaking genius!

16:01:23 punkman: fluffypony: pretty good trollface

16:01:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 500 @ 0.0018 = 0.9 BTC

16:01:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 19.06680104 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1658 satoshi per share

16:01:36 fluffypony: better than Danny's

16:01:45 punkman: save it for future photoshops

16:02:03 fluffypony: https://twitter.com/ProfJeffJarvis/status/499181978105970688

16:02:04 assbot: If the new iPad has an anti-glare screen, that's a potential gamechanger in the fight against ISIS.

16:02:08 fluffypony: this dude is a machine

16:02:50 punkman: pete_dushenski: btw Swanson has not one, not two, but three books! http://www.ofnumbers.com/the-guide/

16:02:52 assbot: The guide | Great Wall of Numbers

16:03:13 fluffypony: https://twitter.com/ProfJeffJarvis/status/498462675152936961

16:03:14 assbot: ISIS took a Facebook approach, starting in one place then expanding to a caliphate. Al Qaeda too unfocused.

16:03:17 fluffypony: ok I stop now

16:03:58 pete_dushenski: punkman: o i know

16:04:11 pete_dushenski: thought i said as much in the article?

16:04:23 pete_dushenski: fluffypony: never stop the lulz!

16:05:12 punkman: pete_dushenski: didn't see a mention of the colored coin treatise in your post

16:05:22 HeySteve: hi

16:05:42 BigBitz: Hey HeySteve.

16:06:50 pete_dushenski: punkman: http://contravex.com/#footnote_3_1159

16:06:52 assbot: Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

16:07:04 pete_dushenski: "le derp"

16:08:28 punkman: pete_dushenski: that's the china book

16:08:55 punkman: oh never mind, saw it now

16:09:39 pete_dushenski: lol finally

16:10:08 RobinWilliams: so apparently nicks are ban-worthy offenses in the 'ol #bitcoin-otc

16:10:14 RobinWilliams: i'm an envelope pusher

16:11:42 chetty: I thought you were a ghost

16:12:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00074146 = 17.4985 BTC [+] {2}

16:13:16 BigBitz: RobinWilliams have some respect, I guess? :) for the dead...

16:13:30 pete_dushenski: ya no hitler jokes either

16:13:37 BigBitz: lol

16:13:37 pete_dushenski: have some respek

16:13:45 fluffypony: do not mention ze war

16:14:17 RobinWilliams: obv my skin is thicker. let this serve as my message that no fucks will be given anymore

16:14:34 RobinWilliams: i'm done

16:14:35 BigBitz: RobinWilliams :)

16:14:44 chetty: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/08/11/study-twitter-has-potential-to-induce-psychotic-symptoms/

16:14:44 assbot: Study: Twitter Has Potential To ‘Induce Psychotic Symptoms’ « CBS Sacramento

16:15:03 HeySteve: http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/08/economist-explains-7

16:15:04 assbot: The Economist explains: Why the price of commercial sex is falling | The Economist

16:18:04 pete_dushenski: i wonder how satoshi, not having been a "professional financial economist professional," would have explained cheaper sex

16:18:47 pete_dushenski: i'd like to think he would've been too taking advantage of the opportunities presented him

16:19:02 pete_dushenski: *been too busy

16:19:55 BingoBoingo: %d

16:19:56 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2014 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00

16:20:16 BingoBoingo: 1.87 million diff

16:20:52 Apocalyptic: is this the record ?

16:21:23 BingoBoingo: I don't remember

16:21:46 BingoBoingo: Oh Apocalyptic Ever plan on changing the max order limit above 10?

16:22:41 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, maybe, I didn't think someone would go over that with legit orders to be honest

16:22:55 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: I kinda keep bumping into it

16:23:01 pete_dushenski: http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2014/08/graffiti-bogot << has anyone else taken this in? it's quite something. more aware than berlin's even.

16:23:01 assbot: Graffiti in Bogot: Blank canvas | The Economist

16:23:02 kakobrekla: such limit is pointless. what is preventing me creating 1k acc and putting 10 orders up with each

16:23:27 kakobrekla: if you need to limit it to 10 per user your code is wrong.

16:23:35 Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, validating 1k acc is more painfull that to just spam new orders

16:23:36 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Makes it hard to go deep into both bids and asks at the same time

16:23:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28 = 0.56 BTC [+]

16:23:57 kakobrekla: validating how?

16:24:09 Apocalyptic: I send an activation link for every new account

16:24:14 kakobrekla: so?

16:24:26 Apocalyptic: well it would take some time to setuo

16:24:31 Apocalyptic: *setup

16:24:33 nubbins`: just finalized the text for those bitcoin posters

16:24:35 Apocalyptic: but I get your point

16:24:38 *: nubbins` sniffs, wipes away tear

16:24:46 xmj: offer number two

16:24:50 xmj: sent

16:25:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 2000 @ 0.0018 = 3.6 BTC

16:26:47 nubbins`: ;;later tell pete_dushenski i've been to berlin and la candelaria in botoga, and i agree -- bogota wins, hands-down

16:26:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:27:00 HeySteve: I'm about to announce my new gambling game on the forum

16:27:45 HeySteve: let me know if this sounds interesting to you guys...

16:28:03 HeySteve: COINAN: The Wrath of BitCrom - A Blockchain-Powered Online Gamebook (with Gambling)

16:28:04 HeySteve: 80’s children will have fond memories of gamebooks like the Choose Your Own Adventure, Fighting Fantasy or Lone Wolf series. These books captured the essence of role-playing by granting players agency over their character within a greater narrative. Inspired by such classic interactive fiction, I’ve adapted the format to take advantage of the internet and Bitcoin, the coin of the

16:28:04 HeySteve: digital realm.

16:28:04 HeySteve: The goals are to allow real-time creative collaboration between storytellers, illustrators and readers and also to deepen the excitement of classic gamebooks by making player decisions a true gamble.

16:28:38 BigBitz: !down HeySteve

16:28:43 BigBitz: :)

16:28:55 ben_vulpes: http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/code/6188660/bass-coast-festival-headdress-native-american

16:28:56 assbot: Native American Headdresses Banned at Bass Coast Festival | Billboard

16:29:08 HeySteve: heh

16:29:27 HeySteve: at least I didn't include my ascii art logo

16:32:12 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

16:32:15 gribble: Current Blocks: 315281 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 1230 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 11 hours, 22 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24082409068.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.06204

16:35:09 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski when are you going to put the fro on twitter?

16:35:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:41:55 thestringpuller: ;;later tell ben_vulpes when will images be supported?

16:41:55 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:43:52 BingoBoingo: !up DreadKnight

16:46:02 BingoBoingo: %d

16:46:03 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2013 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00

16:50:06 HeySteve: hey DreadKnight

17:02:11 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: not any time soon

17:05:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hm ?

17:07:43 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Was trying to present those footnotes from the failbook

17:08:08 mircea_popescu: so... 819 ? i dun get it.

17:09:14 BingoBoingo: Well, I'll open the failbook again and try to get the actual text

17:09:28 mircea_popescu: SemFieteewBut l.uf.en.gk.u.an.gniub.i..u.k.10@gmail.com Submitted on 2014/08/12 at 4:24 d.m. "For this specific day of the week-spun2"

17:09:41 BingoBoingo: A bunch of weird characters that should have been spaces were treated as line spaces

17:09:43 mircea_popescu: keywords2 example.com/ dlcqcafd@gmail.com Submitted on 2014/08/12 at 4:22 d.m. "Wonderful topic!?"

17:09:48 BingoBoingo: *line breaks

17:09:52 mircea_popescu: these noobs need to learn how to spam ffs.

17:12:30 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: the footnote 891 Interacting with fiat institution, a guide by Mircea Popescu, SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering Unregistered Securities, SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering from MarketWatch and SEC Alleges Texas Man Ran $4.5 Million Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme from LexisNexis

17:12:56 mircea_popescu: ...

17:13:04 mircea_popescu: that can;'t be it.

17:13:33 mircea_popescu: i asked him if he read the 2012 canonical text on contracts.

17:13:54 pankkake: Apocalyptic: since X-BT is on coinmarketcap already for atc, you should have them add your ltc and nmc markets. I'd rather buy nmc from you when I need them, but there's almost no one trading

17:14:22 BingoBoingo: That's the trilema thing he linked in Chapter 17 of his Bitcoin book. I can dig through his other stuff, but... navigating his giant pdf's is a pain

17:15:02 Apocalyptic: pankkake, oh it is ? great. Then I would somehow expect them to add all the listed coins

17:16:08 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so basically the guy has no fucking idea of anything.

17:16:27 BingoBoingo: Part of the current narrative popular on social media such as Reddit and Twitter is that Bitcoin?s

17:16:27 BingoBoingo: cryptographic code, being nigh-unbreakable by law enforcement and other judicial authority,

17:16:27 BingoBoingo: will itself act as a form of ?law? transcending all jurisdictions. Two notable examples being that

17:16:27 BingoBoingo: of Mircea Popescu of MPex who asserted Bitcoin's sovereignty in response to an SEC

17:16:28 BingoBoingo: investigation as well as Trendon Shavers (?pirate40?) who was charged by the SEC for running a

17:16:30 BingoBoingo: $4.5 million Ponzi scheme through a firm called Bitcoin Savings & Trust.891 In fact, due to the

17:16:32 BingoBoingo: numerous scams and thefts that continue to occur with these types of investments, in May the

17:16:34 BingoBoingo: SEC issued an investor alert related to bitcoin and other virtual currencies. 892

17:16:41 BingoBoingo: ^ paragraph footnote comes from

17:17:05 mircea_popescu: mkay.

17:17:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Some people should not self publish, because they can't understand "bookness" especially when it comes to presenting "bookness" electronically

17:17:43 nubbins`: Bitcoin ist totale kunst!

17:18:25 pankkake: I suspect his publishing method is just a way to avoid rebuttals

17:18:29 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes, but those same people are too stupid to realise how stupid they are, and if someone tells them this they misrepresent it as an "ad hominem" and misconstrue it as some sort of failure of "the world"

17:18:38 mircea_popescu: ideally, one that needs their inept brand of "fixing"

17:18:43 pankkake: just don't give attention to attention whores

17:18:52 mircea_popescu: pankkake give the right sort of attentio.

17:19:10 BingoBoingo: The dude start's his page numbering from the fucking prematter right after the cover, which no.

17:19:20 mircea_popescu: this idiocy came to be highly regarded by parents that aren';t people, that you shouldn't give attention to kids asking for it the wrong way (usually throwing a fit). this is nonsense.

17:19:27 pankkake: yes, that one: http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1356190763874.png

17:19:30 mircea_popescu: kidsshould get NEGATIVE attention whenever they ask for it. such as a good beating.

17:20:06 mircea_popescu: that way you don't have the problem of snotty 5yo disrupting other people's restaurant meal. because in his reptillian 5yo brain, the risk that the whole stampede of adults beats the shit out of him if he starts screaming is quite vivid.

17:20:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, the presumptiousness of calling a pdf "my book" is striking.

17:20:51 nubbins`: ^

17:20:55 nubbins`: a thousand times ^

17:21:00 pankkake: first time I've seen the word "disrupt" used in this context in months :p

17:21:17 mircea_popescu: especially in the face of having called a random string generator in an article you're ostensibly rebutting.

17:21:27 mircea_popescu: pankkake :)

17:21:31 mircea_popescu: !up fluffyghost

17:21:39 mircea_popescu: you're not mircea_popescu- are you ?

17:22:19 fluffyghost: tks

17:22:58 BigBitz: !up fluffypony

17:23:10 fluffypony: znc server hiccuped

17:23:53 dignork: SEC lulz: https://twitter.com/ProPublica/status/499229578032713728

17:23:54 assbot: Transcripts offer window into SEC probes of financial crisis and some awkward testimony http://t.co/g0KjnK2TF0 /WSJ http://t.co/rJL4iuTqz2

17:26:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: PGP appears once, in a footnote in his second PDF, GPG appears not at all

17:26:51 BingoBoingo: And neither does your name

17:28:26 BingoBoingo: For example, since at least 1991 there has been a variety of methods for building reputation systems ?

17:28:26 BingoBoingo: webs of trust ? that incentivizes users to pay back creditors. 334 With a blockchain you can now have a

17:28:27 BingoBoingo: safe place to put an instrument or contract and people can digitally sign it. Since it is publicly audited,

17:28:27 BingoBoingo: other users can see its history and if it is reliable thus building credit scores. In turn, business

17:28:29 BingoBoingo: transactions based on clearly defined terms and services can be conducted on an exchange through a

17:28:31 BingoBoingo: form of identity management. This will completely transform how the flow of capital and investment

17:28:33 BingoBoingo: work and will be a godsend to the 3rd world. For instance, a person with a reliable DAO (or smart

17:28:35 BingoBoingo: contract) could create a monetary instrument (a cryptocoin) and lend it to anyone on the globe in the

17:28:38 BingoBoingo: form of a loan with specific terms and conditions. This is done in an external, tamperproof system, a

17:28:41 BingoBoingo: cryptoledger that is not controlled by an institution capable of abuse. As a consequence, for developing

17:28:44 BingoBoingo: countries, just as they leapfrogged copper wiring choosing to use wireless telephony, some may forgo

17:28:49 BingoBoingo: building replicas of existing financial infrastructure and instead choose to use this virtual-based system

17:28:52 BingoBoingo: through their mobile devices.?

17:28:54 BingoBoingo: ^ the "context"

17:29:04 mircea_popescu: yeah. i don't credit the theory he's unaffiliated. basically there's this pile of idiots who perceive as the greatest impediment towards their brand of nonsense being accepted universally

17:29:06 kakobrekla: maybe someone will understand http://www.radiosarajevo.ba/upload/images/FORWARDUSHA_2013/cenovnik_dizajnera.jpg

17:29:06 BingoBoingo: The footnote 334 PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) was released in 1991 by Phil Zimmermann, see: Cypher Wars from Wired

17:29:10 xmj: jesus

17:29:17 mircea_popescu: the fact that i was here first, and i knew they'll show up, and i took speciffic and apparently effectual measures.

17:29:20 mircea_popescu: c'est la vie.

17:29:22 xmj: BingoBoingo: can your next paste have longer linewidths please?

17:29:56 BingoBoingo: xmj: The would involve touching this filth moar, so I'm jsut not going to past more of it

17:30:02 xmj: ok

17:30:27 punkman: "So with Demo Day approaching, I'd like to make the following point explicit: Y Combinator has a zero tolerance policy for inappropriate sexual or romantic behavior from investors toward founders. Don't even think about doing it. I will find out. Y Combinator will not continue to work with you."

17:30:50 mircea_popescu: lmao

17:30:58 mircea_popescu: so ycombinator is finally reduced to a dating service ?

17:31:09 mircea_popescu: come mix your y with our founder's x-x's ?

17:31:46 BingoBoingo: So this thing we are trying to convince people is a "business" is so not a business that we can just turn them off if people touch genitals

17:31:46 mircea_popescu: pity we're not speaking romanian, ass is fund, i could have had some fun with it.

17:32:04 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo :)

17:32:35 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the bitcoin hell, meni rosenfeld is squirming. http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/#comment-104623

17:32:36 assbot: MPOE-PR, almost two years in the swamp. An anthology. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:33:03 BingoBoingo: It's not a place that deals with business's it's fucking summer camp trying to turn a profit on macaroni crafts

17:33:33 mircea_popescu: provided nobody touches anyone's ass.

17:33:34 punkman: so what if founders wanna suck some toe, why does YC have a say?

17:33:58 mircea_popescu: punkman they're prolly about to turn the "women in biz" faucet way up

17:34:08 mircea_popescu: as someone observed, as things turn to shit women move in.

17:34:13 punkman: they are already doing that yeah

17:35:05 mircea_popescu: now who the hell said that bit about things turning to shit and female representation.

17:35:07 mircea_popescu: i bet it was tlp.

17:36:37 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/jenvalentino/status/499240776480874496

17:36:38 assbot: Summing up police militarization with a photo from Missouri. The camo is required because? http://t.co/Jr6atNWxjR http://t.co/IeZgZNppxl

17:38:50 mircea_popescu: lmao.

17:39:21 mircea_popescu: "so when the police approached you, why did you open fire ?" "i thought we were being invaded by aliens" "i see. fair enough. case dismissed"

17:39:26 BingoBoingo: I guess I'm staying out of StL proper for a while

17:39:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> "so when the police approached you, why did you open fire ?" "i thought we were being invaded by aliens" "i see. fair enough. case dismissed" << THought it was the Chicoms invading

17:39:57 mircea_popescu: close enough.

17:42:55 mircea_popescu: so in the end, ima count pete_dushenski 's summary as accurate : "Serious scholarship of a work is merited if and only if that work is itself a piece of serious scholarship."

17:43:06 danielpbarron: 10:19 <+kakobrekla> especially if F5 is remapped to shutdown. << one time, at a LAN party, I remapped someone's "W" key to suicide :D

17:44:01 mircea_popescu: Another Goldman banker told SEC officials he didn't know what he meant by an email he sent in 2006 that said underwriters and issuers would "put $ in our pockets" because "we are us."

17:45:28 nubbins`: WE ARE USS

17:45:32 nubbins`: GREAT STUFFS

17:45:36 mircea_popescu: totally lol.

17:45:47 nubbins`: IT IS OUR HAPPY

17:45:59 mircea_popescu: imagine these coke addled, add dyslexic monkeys shooting emails to each other at 3am off a stripper's asscrack

17:46:15 mircea_popescu: imagine sitting there with a windowfull and just wondering if it's fucking markov chain day.

17:46:39 mircea_popescu: then people want to know why the econo0my went to shit.

17:46:48 mircea_popescu: a) what economy ; b) wut ?

17:47:05 mircea_popescu: "dude, where's my economy!" "what color was it ?"

17:47:18 mircea_popescu: "i dunno, the color economies usually are"

17:47:23 mircea_popescu: "well... in the place economies usually go."

17:48:09 nubbins`: http://dpaste.com/1NNVPYJ

17:48:10 assbot: dpaste: 1NNVPYJ

17:48:11 nubbins`: ^ lel

17:48:46 mircea_popescu: lol hey nubbins` how come everyone knows she's got major beef curtains urmom ?

17:49:24 nubbins`: i can only imagine it's assumed based on my brash demeanor

17:49:34 mircea_popescu: lol

17:49:48 mircea_popescu: that ain't scandalous, that be brash demeanor, bish!

17:50:22 nubbins`: i've got a feeling these "what is btc" posters are gonna be a big hit

17:50:44 mircea_popescu: tit gig.

17:51:10 nubbins`: putting finishing touches on words today, design to commence soon

17:51:11 mircea_popescu: cazalla: f5 f5 f5 f5, romanian to english articles on trilema must be 20:1 << lemme count for you here.

17:51:29 mircea_popescu: wait isn't it the design you're doing ? is this pre-design ?

17:52:11 nubbins`: i suppose it's all "design"

17:52:22 nubbins`: but i gotta know what i'm trying to say before i start illustrating it :D

17:52:55 nubbins`: put another way: putting finishing touches on content, graphics to commence soon

17:53:25 nubbins`: oh and hey, what was the hidden bounty? 0.1 or some such?

17:55:34 nubbins`: wait, sorry, that was thestringpuller's project

17:55:48 nubbins`: so many projects on the plate :S

18:00:03 mircea_popescu: cazalla 6781 total articles, 2567 in english. 1610 of these however are the result of me dumping the wikileaks trove back before wikileaks itself decided to publish documents (i only did stuff referring to bucharest, but it did force them to get their act together and a day later they released the cables). these don't appear in the random rotation (i imagine that's what you're doing) and so the numbers would be

18:00:24 mircea_popescu: ;;calc (2567-1610)/(6781-1610)*100

18:00:25 gribble: 18.507058596

18:00:36 mircea_popescu: 18% english, ~1 in 5.

18:03:07 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: why not?

18:04:49 HeySteve: my project thread hasn't been mirrored on bitcointa.lk yet

18:04:57 mircea_popescu: what project is that ?

18:05:01 HeySteve: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736132.0

18:05:01 assbot: COINAN: The Wrath of BitCrom - Blockchain-Powered Online Gamebook with Gambling

18:06:03 nubbins`: bbl running to bank

18:07:24 mircea_popescu: haha sounds lulzy

18:07:38 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: if you can't write the copy that makes people click your link, why would an image change that?

18:07:52 mircea_popescu: Example, Coinan encounters a hostile, socialist vampire. These choices are presented:

18:09:17 mircea_popescu: HeySteve the tech involved seems very naive. stuff like "Red text installments will always include a password-protected file containing a description of the optimal choice. The password will be revealed in the next installment, ensuring a pre-determined answer unaffected by the value of bets placed or other factors. You?ll have to trust me not to play my own game or leak the right choice to my cronies before voting e

18:09:18 mircea_popescu: nds. Either that or suggest a way to make things trustless.."

18:09:21 mircea_popescu: who's coding it ?

18:09:27 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: you don't watch enough Mad Men.

18:09:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27158 @ 0.00073788 = 20.0393 BTC [-]

18:09:52 thestringpuller: What fonts are supported?

18:10:01 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I think the point is he wants to expose people to his logo

18:10:20 HeySteve: mircea_popescu it'll be all text

18:10:27 mircea_popescu: that much i gather.

18:10:39 HeySteve: although maybe later I'll have single player versions on a website, so will need a little coding there

18:11:01 mircea_popescu: no, you need coding to do things like distribute secrets less awkwardly than through "password protected files"

18:11:13 mircea_popescu: which i expect you see as hand crafted word documents by you personally.

18:11:17 mircea_popescu: !up princessnell

18:11:36 mircea_popescu: how's scholarship princess ?

18:11:36 HeySteve: hmm well text files in RAR archives

18:12:01 mircea_popescu: this sort of clunk will sink what otherwise is a clever promising thing.

18:12:37 HeySteve: ok well I'm open to suggestions for handling that stuff more smoothly

18:12:48 mircea_popescu: that's common knowledge : salt and hash.

18:13:02 mircea_popescu: say your options are "fuck her" or "spit in her mouth"

18:13:39 mircea_popescu: you publish : the correct answer is ba320a34890a5cdc4f0ba0e53017d490811aad50259c1bc4214df05544f9dd2d9a6992e617d2273f79a73e6ae972a8a0c171608ae71eb5d5bd148f81f38d2e0d

18:13:52 mircea_popescu: then later on you say : sha512, salt "-derpysaltlalal-"

18:14:03 mircea_popescu: at this point anyone can verify the right answer was in fact "spit in her mouth"

18:14:13 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: for now, just the one displaying.

18:14:18 HeySteve: ah ha cool! that's better, thanks

18:14:51 mircea_popescu: HeySteve my point being that this is just one example. you need a coder to know the things that are obvious and well known that you don't know.

18:15:59 HeySteve: I can ask my developer but he's still pretty busy with "WoTcoin" alpha

18:16:30 mircea_popescu: ;;rated dignork

18:16:30 gribble: You rated user dignork on Mon May 12 10:27:20 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: he cracked my hashes!.

18:16:46 mircea_popescu: ;;rate dignork 2 He's a character.

18:16:47 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user dignork has changed from 1 to 2.

18:17:39 BingoBoingo: More from the StL warzone http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/12/ferguson_tear_gas_video_angry_but_apparently_unarmed_residents_face_attack.html

18:17:40 assbot: Ferguson tear gas video: Angry, but apparently unarmed, residents face attack.

18:18:02 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's the story with stl anyway ?

18:18:07 BingoBoingo: police firing tear gas at angry residents despite the fact that they're standing behind a fence on private property and are apparently unarmed:

18:18:15 mircea_popescu: after being abandoned by the feds during katrina they sorta created an independent state,

18:18:19 mircea_popescu: which is now being invaded ?

18:18:46 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Kid got shot. Was unarmed, going to college this week if he wouldn't have been shot.

18:19:01 BingoBoingo: Prefect storm of buzzwords to anger North Side

18:19:08 mircea_popescu: "got shot" as in murdered by police ?

18:19:35 BingoBoingo: Yeah

18:19:52 BingoBoingo: Story is hands up surrendering with his back to the cop

18:20:30 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: look either you make the sell with the situation as is or you don't man

18:20:52 ben_vulpes: we're taking the world back to evaluation on its merits, not on its appearances.

18:20:53 mircea_popescu: omg stop hussling the poor guy]

18:21:07 mircea_popescu: can;t even have a logo no moar.

18:21:52 BingoBoingo: What happens when jurov and Namworld's Coinroll thing wants to keep using the graphics they've already sunk costs into?

18:22:11 ben_vulpes: !s sunk cost fallacy

18:22:11 assbot: 3 results for 'sunk cost fallacy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sunk+cost+fallacy

18:22:16 ben_vulpes: the mermaid?

18:22:22 ben_vulpes: the whole point of the mermaid is fuck a logo

18:22:34 mircea_popescu: well no

18:22:35 mircea_popescu: you can'

18:22:38 mircea_popescu: t fuck mermaids.

18:22:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.28499333 = 4.2749 BTC [+] {2}

18:22:47 mircea_popescu: you're thinking the inverse mermaid ?

18:22:52 ben_vulpes: ew

18:22:55 BingoBoingo: Wait Mermaids don't have cloaca

18:23:09 mircea_popescu: http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/081/9/6/fishcake_the_inverse_mermaid_by_capriciouscaper-d4tm6k8.jpg

18:24:07 mircea_popescu: mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ?

18:24:08 BingoBoingo: Oh, an explainer http://www.vox.com/2014/8/11/5988925/mike-brown-killing-shooting-case-ferguson-police-riots-st-louis

18:24:09 assbot: Outrage in Ferguson after police shooting of unarmed teenager Michael Brown - Vox

18:24:16 mircea_popescu: giving people like HeySteve all the tools they need to just make their game.

18:24:25 ben_vulpes: http://games.usvsth3m.com/2048/super-dickbutt-edition-5/

18:24:25 assbot: 2048: Super DickButt Edition

18:26:31 HeySteve: desert island scenario: do you choose mermaid or inverse mermaid as your only companion?

18:26:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Where's this comment mircea_popescu left on Tim Swanson's blog? << it just said "how about you come to b-a" with a webirc link

18:26:50 princessnell: hey mircea_popescu. scholarship has given way to subversion at the moment, which is an improvement. how's bitcoin baronship?

18:26:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Earlier today it was... missing

18:27:12 ben_vulpes: princessnell: subversion? do tell!

18:27:29 mircea_popescu: bitcoin baronship has given way too many bonuses at the moment which is pleasant :D

18:27:59 mircea_popescu: yeah ben_vulpes has a point. i think the entire appeal of the tomb raider chick was her being subversive.

18:28:53 jurov: lolwhat? coinroll doesn't have a mermaid

18:29:10 jurov: BingoBoingo what do you mean?

18:29:17 princessnell: well the short version is that my merry band of radicals is warring with marxist elements that have infiltrated the american libertarian movement.

18:29:46 HeySteve: if it comes to seriously coding up gamebooks, this project is a good example. it works for the lone wolf books: http://projectaon.org/en/Main/Books

18:29:47 assbot: Project Aon: Main / Books (browse)

18:29:50 mircea_popescu: "submitted 4 days ago by ignoreatownrisk" lol that's lulzy,

18:29:58 BingoBoingo: jurov: There's that coinroll ad that shows up on BitBet and othe places. Atm ben_vulpes's network would be incapable of supporting it

18:30:00 princessnell: is there such thing as too many bonuses btw?

18:30:09 mircea_popescu: princessnell ahahaha.

18:30:25 jurov: i was a week under the rock, what is the vulpine thing?

18:30:37 mircea_popescu: jurov benkay got married.

18:30:55 ben_vulpes: to three chicks

18:30:57 mircea_popescu: princessnell yes, actually. it's the problem of the privileged, they can be too privileged. it's like being too poor in reverse.

18:31:31 mircea_popescu: princessnell so what happens after your merry band of radicals gets defeated ?

18:32:00 princessnell: we aren't expecting to win. we're trying to siphon the best talent to our cause.

18:32:12 princessnell: which is happening so that's nice

18:32:25 ben_vulpes: money > no money

18:32:49 mircea_popescu: princessnell what i want to know is why isn't your cause using the tools of victory.

18:32:59 mircea_popescu: get the whole lot in the wot, start opressing the little timmys of the world.

18:33:23 mircea_popescu: there's no victory outside of oppressing the other side into the dirt.

18:33:36 princessnell: mircea_popescu that's a good idea. get some synergy going. it will take some easing into.

18:33:53 mircea_popescu: radicals don't get easing into.

18:34:02 princessnell: i'm walking a thin line as it is, trying to convert american millenial college grads into crimethinkers.

18:34:04 mircea_popescu: it's straight to the barbed 12 inch buttplug for them

18:34:21 mircea_popescu: hehe i had suspected that my and that band are tenuous.

18:35:18 princessnell: lol. the buttplug method can be a last resort.

18:35:53 mircea_popescu: lemme share a high water mark in the history of romanian cartoons

18:36:44 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teV8-IGhSt8

18:36:45 assbot: RObotzi.S01.Ep2.Defect - YouTube

18:37:07 mircea_popescu: the guy is saying "o pula roz din fier cu luminite" which means "a pink iron cock with blinkenlichten"

18:39:19 princessnell: i am a barbaric american monoglot, unfortunately :-/

18:39:59 HeySteve: Das machine ist fur gerfingerpoken und mittengrabben.

18:42:16 jurov: ben_vulpes: what is that your service everyone is talking about? i'm 10 days behind with the lawgs and your blog is dead

18:43:46 ben_vulpes: http://van-ads.com

18:43:52 ben_vulpes: jurov: ^^

18:43:59 ben_vulpes: has it only been ten days?

18:46:15 pankkake: it seems interesting for venues but not really for advertisers

18:47:20 ben_vulpes: interestingly enough, we're shooting for quality venues first.

18:48:55 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/gjTummq3 for moar spamlulz

18:48:55 assbot: Return-path: <noreply@getmorereferrals.me> Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:4 - Pastebin.com

18:50:35 pankkake: and you have to buy the ads per venue?

18:50:51 ben_vulpes: for now.

18:51:00 mircea_popescu: pankkake how else ?

18:51:23 ben_vulpes: if you want to spend more money more quickly, i can make that happen for you.

18:52:09 mircea_popescu: anyway i got a meeting so bbl.

18:54:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.29434158 = 1.1774 BTC [+] {2}

18:58:05 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: you're really bad at advertising. if you want text only you'd need support a inconography. The disney font is synonymous with the bran.

18:58:13 thestringpuller: iconography*

18:58:33 thestringpuller: if it's 1 font type it's not going to work long term but I guess we'll see

18:59:24 ben_vulpes: i was actually just pondering configuring this thing to serve ads styled to actually look good when displayed on each venue.

18:59:37 ben_vulpes: you see, we're recruiting the best content creators and making the advertisers suck our dicks.

19:00:08 ben_vulpes: stomping out this "one neat trick!" animated gif shit.

19:00:50 ben_vulpes: you may as well tell me that GPG logins are too hard for advertisers to grok. well, fu. learn gpg, and play nicely with the people running your ads.

19:02:22 thestringpuller: how so if you don't support basic news print ads? It's 2014 not 1014

19:02:59 ben_vulpes: there are some styling changes coming. header lines and such.

19:03:06 thestringpuller: Uh huh.

19:03:13 ben_vulpes: think adsense, not project wonderful.

19:03:21 thestringpuller: i'm thinking more moxie interactive

19:03:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.29476101 = 2.3581 BTC [+] {2}

19:03:59 ben_vulpes: yeah, don't do that.

19:04:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.29892483 = 1.7935 BTC [+] {2}

19:05:49 thestringpuller: Why not? You're excluding photographic based advertisements without any real merit except that "People should be compelled to click on an ad based on text alone."

19:06:15 thestringpuller: which is seemingly shallow given what successful ad agencies will claim "works"

19:07:01 chetty: do ads 'work'??

19:07:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.29997916 = 3.5997 BTC [+] {3}

19:07:35 jurov: chetty, for coinroll they do

19:07:38 nubbins`: chetty, after a fashion. sometimes.

19:07:45 jurov: for coinbr, not so much

19:08:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.30833333 = 0.925 BTC [+] {3}

19:19:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 80 @ 0.01281852 = 1.0255 BTC [-] {5}

19:24:59 ben_vulpes: the ad advertising the right thing to the right people works

19:25:08 nubbins`: ^

19:25:11 nubbins`: easier said than done

19:25:34 HeySteve: hmm assbot not going !down

19:26:41 ben_vulpes: http://www.alternet.org/drugs/tennessee-drug-tests-welfare-applicants-finds-just-1-person-using-drugs#main-content

19:26:43 assbot: Tennessee Drug Tests Welfare Applicants, Finds Just 1 Person Using Drugs | Alternet

19:31:54 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: that's not true

19:31:56 thestringpuller: at all

19:32:31 thestringpuller: There is a whole consortium of parents that keep their kids away from "real tv" so that they don't bug their parents for every new toy advertised.

19:34:59 jurov: um.. where did F.DERP vanish? or it still isn't trading?

19:35:09 ben_vulpes: jurov: i don't think it's hit the market yet.

19:35:34 penguirker: New blog post: http://explo.yt/post/2014/08/12/DERPs

19:35:36 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: sounds like the ad is advertising to the right people.

19:36:15 jurov: ^finally published (with ben's help) how the thing is sposed to work

19:36:23 thestringpuller: more that advertisements "work" if they create an impression

19:38:13 thestringpuller: You're going for the hershey model

19:38:22 thestringpuller: which may have worked in 1963

19:38:39 thestringpuller: but hey what do I know, not like I worked in advertising or anything :P

19:38:48 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: how many btc are you willing to put down to run an image ad?

19:39:07 thestringpuller: depends on the runtime

19:39:08 ben_vulpes: on top of the venue fee?

19:39:21 thestringpuller: and the metrics

19:39:26 thestringpuller: it'd be contigent

19:39:29 ben_vulpes: you're missing the entire point.

19:39:31 ben_vulpes: there are no metrics.

19:39:34 ben_vulpes: there is no click through rate.

19:39:37 ben_vulpes: there is no impression rate

19:39:50 ben_vulpes: there is only the venue and its audience.

19:40:01 thestringpuller: Yea and the venue has metrics.

19:40:07 thestringpuller: Of "page loads" and if my ad was displayed.

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19:42:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 500 @ 0.0018 = 0.9 BTC

19:43:02 BingoBoingo: !up thExit

19:55:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1540 @ 0.00185589 = 2.8581 BTC [+] {4}

19:57:35 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes thestringpuller: These are the important questions which are probably better debated now than when you throw a beta label on it

19:58:03 ben_vulpes: benefits of a forum

19:58:06 ben_vulpes: clash of ideologies

19:59:19 BingoBoingo: Well right now it seems to be light on the ideology and heavy on logistics

20:01:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 351 @ 0.00185904 = 0.6525 BTC [-]

20:03:34 jurov: ben_vulpes do you have an example of an ad that is stylistically adapted to various publishers?

20:04:02 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/K/ou/2qqh0trU/doge.png

20:04:28 BingoBoingo: lolz kakobrekla

20:04:29 jurov: that souds good in theory, but dunno in practice

20:05:31 ben_vulpes: jurov: not at the moment.

20:06:35 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/08/hammond-anarchaos-timeline.pdf

20:07:04 ben_vulpes: jurov: typeface would be the only knob i'd let venues twiddle.

20:07:08 ben_vulpes: at least right now.

20:07:16 mike_c: mircea_popescu:mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ? << zork for bitcoin? the grue ate your coin?

20:07:26 ben_vulpes: nethack!

20:07:34 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Suppose the venue's perspective where it's in the venue commits space X by Y pixels already. Seems bidding from people confident in a text ad and properly sized images would, eventually be a desirable situation. I imagine for you as well since... with a 1% house edge you've eventually got to get volume.

20:08:04 BingoBoingo: I mean ImageMagick generates the text ads anyway

20:08:11 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: sorry, I don't quite understand that first line.

20:09:12 BingoBoingo: Ah, sat on the sentence to long. The venue want's to attract a lot of bids, and has already sunk space on the ad widget.

20:09:41 ben_vulpes: right

20:10:11 BingoBoingo: If coinroll has a square ad that works for them already...

20:11:04 ben_vulpes: now what if coinroll wants to run an ad on 4 different blogs

20:11:12 ben_vulpes: that have all picked different widgets

20:12:06 BingoBoingo: They've got to have appropiate sized art for each or a conversation with the blogs about standardizing on a size.

20:12:52 ben_vulpes: which is one of the reasons VAN's running text only right now.

20:13:01 ben_vulpes: and probably will for quite some time.

20:13:21 ben_vulpes: let me reiterate: it caters to venues, not advertisers.

20:16:30 thestringpuller: venues require traffic to be "catered to" vis-a-vis trilema vs. some other blog of quality that is not as established

20:17:32 ben_vulpes: pardon?

20:18:10 thestringpuller: okay for starters why cater to venues as the priority?

20:18:42 BingoBoingo: Well, there's got to be a contingency for the end of the month with the Trilema buy's advertised end. The buy this space graphic looks pretty good, but... I mean this could devolve into -assets bloggers just trolling each other again

20:20:32 ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> okay for starters why cater to venues as the priority? << because catering to the masses is a losing proposition.

20:22:34 jborkl: i only troll others, not my fellow assets members

20:22:35 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell peterl nice work on http://blog.btcscoop.com/?p=6

20:22:36 assbot: A cat picture |

20:22:36 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:23:26 BingoBoingo: jborkl: Not all of us are so kind http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lol-cocks.png

20:24:31 jborkl: lol, hehe

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20:29:46 BingoBoingo: %d

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20:31:49 jurov: http://www.blockscan.com/asset.aspx 2241 assets on couterparty? lmao

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20:51:39 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: the venues arent customers. catering to a small intelligent audience and having them as your customer is not mutually exclusive

20:52:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 185 @ 0.00290998 = 0.5383 BTC [+] {7}

20:52:12 thestringpuller: so tell me how catering to the venues which are not customers benefits the customer more?

20:52:21 ben_vulpes: who are the customers in this scenario?

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21:13:33 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: the people payong

21:13:40 thestringpuller: paying*

21:17:44 mike_c: you don't have to cater to the person paying. if you are providing a premium product customers will deal with the headaches. would you jump through some hoops to get an ad on www.berkshirehathaway.com? what if they said it had to be text only?

21:18:29 mike_c: or, more to the point, say trilema was actually running an ad slot (hint hint).

21:19:13 mike_c: or loper-os. i'd pay for that shit and say thank you for putting my text on your site.

21:19:43 mike_c: so really what you're saying is you don't think the venues available right now are worth the headache. which may or may not be true.

21:19:59 asciilifeform: mike_c: unlikely that anyone will ever offer enough to make it worth 'my site has ads now'...

21:20:40 mike_c: but, i would say you are more likely to allow a text-only ad. perhaps not.

21:21:01 asciilifeform: mike_c: not if the text is 'lol cockz'

21:21:17 mike_c: yes, well, i am not loper so i don't get to be picky :)

21:21:51 mike_c: i'm actually not doing it for the money. btcalpha isn't meant to be directly monetized.

21:22:17 asciilifeform: mike_c: must confess, i might submit to the indignity of ads on my site if it meant actual money

21:22:42 asciilifeform: mike_c: but who and why would spend actual money on it, is a mystery

21:22:53 mike_c: how much would it take? btc/month.

21:23:32 asciilifeform: mike_c: that's like asking 'how many btc you want for your nail clippings'

21:23:52 asciilifeform: mike_c: say, 10/mo. for either my nail clippings or ads on site.

21:24:33 mike_c: that might not be out of the question.

21:24:53 mike_c: retardtalk gets 50/mo

21:25:16 asciilifeform: lol, what do i need to smoke for this to make sense

21:25:50 mike_c: you're probably already smoking it. you need to have a valuable audience.

21:25:53 asciilifeform: retardtalk is run by expert chumpatronic engineers.

21:26:36 mike_c: so imagine how you could monetize an audience that is not composed of chumps. you're actually selling me here :)

21:27:02 mike_c: who knew ascii was expert negotiator. big "go away" sign on lawn attracts customers

21:27:04 asciilifeform: ever read 'scientific american' pre-'97 or so ?

21:27:25 asciilifeform: they had rather peculiar ad clients

21:27:25 mike_c: hm. don't think so

21:27:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 677 @ 0.00180576 = 1.2225 BTC [-] {9}

21:28:05 asciilifeform: ad contents was heavily geared to the stuff aging 'imperial age' americans with intellectual inclinations might buy. primarily - whiskey.

21:28:37 mike_c: well it wasn't charity. it probably worked.

21:29:10 asciilifeform: ... it didn't work. ad revenue from the fine scotch drinkers did not suffice. magazine was: sold, dumbed down hilariously

21:30:28 mike_c: hm. advertising successfully is hard but not impossible. i don't take this to mean loper couldn't be monetized effectively.

21:31:21 asciilifeform: i'm open to it, so long as serious money and i don't have to promise any kind of detectable result to anyone.

21:32:06 asciilifeform: (have i turned everybody off yet?)

21:32:13 mike_c: nope, that's what vanads is all about. serious money is still TBD.

21:32:32 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mike_c: but who and why would spend actual money on it, is a mystery << Pretty much all I'd spend money on is "lol, cocks" or "White Africa Future" (link to interracial gangbang) or perhaps some other mischeif...

21:32:49 mike_c: yes but you aren't running a consumer facing buisness.

21:33:00 mike_c: WoL will be an advertiser soon.

21:35:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/orangecat/

21:37:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you want to pay 10/mo to display 'lol cockz in white africa' i'm game...

21:38:12 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The point of the game is that one never knows when troll ad enters their rotation. Troll ad simply appears

21:38:51 BingoBoingo: Still prolly better than those glossy mining hardware things

21:39:50 BingoBoingo: d-dimer: Is it a clot?

21:40:47 *: BingoBoingo references of course the test for fibrin degeneration products in the blood, known as a d-dimer

21:43:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25444 @ 0.00074216 = 18.8835 BTC [+] {2}

21:44:16 asciilifeform: i confess i'm somewhat suspicious of anything which suggests to 'monetize' my site, which is more or less the polar inverse of 'monetizable' in the usual sense.

21:47:24 mike_c: well, it's the audience that is monetized.

21:47:25 jborkl: ok, i will report in 30 days how the orange cat article is doing, filled with keywords and nonsense

21:52:24 BingoBoingo: jborkl: lol you forgot to credit where petel got his idea from, and I mean so far its his only one

21:54:41 jborkl: let me correct that, he got it from you if I am reading that correct?

21:55:17 BingoBoingo: jborkl: Well, what does his post say?

21:56:04 jborkl: sorry I was talking to someone else here

22:06:32 mike_c: BingoBoingo: i'm looking for an example for a blog post. who is currently the 2nd best sports bitcoin betting site?

22:07:20 nubbins`: man, i went to fedex to mail some coins and i had to fill out two goddamn enormous forms

22:07:24 nubbins`: so nosy!

22:08:16 mike_c: BingoBoingo: bah, nvmnd, sorry. they all suck.

22:08:18 BingoBoingo: mike_c: That's a good question. Prolly Cloudbet or Nitrogen sports. Maybe Anonibet? All I really do sports betting wise any more off of BitBet is penny bets on baseball and bigger bets against Serena according to the bet against Serena algorithm

22:08:36 mike_c: heh. i didn't see the end the other day, did venus manage to beat her?

22:08:42 BingoBoingo: But yeah, they all have their devoted fanbases and all offer shitty lines now.

22:08:51 BingoBoingo: mike_c: She played venus the other day?

22:08:53 nubbins`: mike_c the grue ate everyone's coin D;

22:09:04 mike_c: yeah, went to third set

22:09:18 BingoBoingo: Line must not have been good enough for me to get pinged

22:09:25 mike_c: nubbins`: should be havelock's tagline :)

22:09:43 BingoBoingo: Oh,, Venus won

22:09:45 mike_c: "Venus topped Serena 6-7 (2), 6-2, 6-3 on Saturday in the hard-court event for her first victory over her sister since 2009 in Dubai."

22:09:48 nubbins`: you know how many goddamn bitcoin i "made" and subsequently "lost" on that fuckin site?

22:09:57 nubbins`: it'd make ya weep

22:11:20 jborkl: BingoBoingo , ok i added the proper credit there

22:12:25 nubbins`: "People can administer this drug fairly unknowingly to someone — an unknowing person — and we've had reports in the past, not so much of ketamine, but we have had reports in the past of these typos of drugs being administered in local establishments," said Curnew.

22:12:32 nubbins`: ^ amazing

22:12:32 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

22:12:42 nubbins`: "these typos of drugs"

22:21:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17756 @ 0.00074337 = 13.1993 BTC [+]

22:32:57 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell jborkl Lol, actual credit belongs to the cats

22:32:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:35:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/12/filtering-noise/

22:37:48 ben_vulpes: "expert chumpatronic engineers" << quite.

22:38:59 nubbins`: "hello, i was just wondering if you have any positions available. thanks"

22:39:05 nubbins`: ^ second email we've gotten like this

22:39:10 nubbins`: ah, the earnest young

22:39:57 ben_vulpes: "position is work all day. pay is a bed in the corner and scraps from the table. interedast?"

22:41:59 ben_vulpes: ;;8ball do i risk the rain biking back to the office from this client meeting?

22:41:59 gribble: The answer is a resounding no.

22:42:04 ben_vulpes: fu gribble

22:42:21 ben_vulpes: I'M FUCKING DOING IT

22:42:27 ben_vulpes: watch me get drenched

22:43:18 BingoBoingo: !up jdanks

22:43:24 BingoBoingo: !up jdanks1

22:44:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 109 @ 0.01270359 = 1.3847 BTC [-] {4}

22:46:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 144 @ 0.01253933 = 1.8057 BTC [+] {9}

22:46:22 BingoBoingo: mike_c: So are you still blogging something today about how they all suck then?

22:48:50 nubbins`: ben_vulpes checked her out on facebook, studied "graphic design" at local college

22:49:00 nubbins`: no thanks

22:49:19 BingoBoingo: FAA now involved in StL's Gaza moment: https://twitter.com/honeynoir/status/499304482619285504

22:49:20 assbot: /jasiri_x FAA restricts aviation over /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash...read the reason. I found this on the Federal FAA website http://t.co/cgIGlFPWWf

22:52:04 nubbins`: wow.

22:53:12 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/499327703388930048

22:53:13 assbot: This /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash thing reminds me of /hashtag/Occupy?src=hash except peaceful protesters actually making /hashtag/TheMan?src=hash tremble with fear

22:54:33 BingoBoingo: I plan on staying on the Illinois side of the river for a while, shit is getting serious

22:54:44 BingoBoingo: http://www.thebaffler.com/blog/amway-journalism/

22:54:45 assbot: Amway Journalism | The Baffler

22:59:26 nubbins`: Personal Brand™

22:59:30 nubbins`: shoot me in the face with a gun

22:59:46 nubbins`: i've seen people ask for advice on how to develop their personal brand

22:59:58 nubbins`: they didn't capitalize it, but you can tell they were doing it in their heads when they wrote it

23:00:09 nubbins`: nothing reeks more of desperation

23:00:42 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Building a personal brand is an excellent advice but these fuckers do it all wrong. Step 1: Call People fuckers Step 2: Get drunk and Markov chain rant a bit... etc

23:02:05 nubbins`: step 3, join this chan and vanish into the babble ;D

23:02:33 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3RSAR18.txt )

23:02:33 BingoBoingo: !b 5

23:04:57 ben_vulpes: lol ssl php ===

23:06:51 BingoBoingo: At least it looks like Libressl portable is making a lot of progess http://opensslrampage.org/

23:07:05 BingoBoingo: Even if the ssl premise is bork'd

23:07:46 BingoBoingo: "Remove disabled (weakened export and non-ephemeral DH) cipher suites from the cipher list. This reduces code size, saves data segment space and prevents them from being turned back on at runtime by flipping a bit in memory."

23:16:13 BingoBoingo: %d

23:16:14 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2010 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00

23:16:45 BingoBoingo: Seems given these long block times... Atc is on a long walk to the next diff drop

23:17:13 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: the twitter will get the fro when the right picture comes along :)

23:18:13 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: that bogotan graffiti!

23:18:37 mike_c: BingoBoingo: blog is more about bitcoin gambling.. perhaps focusing on WoL :)

23:19:03 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Cool

23:21:13 assbot: AdrianoOliveira +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

23:22:14 BingoBoingo: !up AdrianoOliveira

23:22:21 BingoBoingo: hello AdrianoOliveira

23:22:27 mike_c: it's getting long. perhaps i'll post as pdf and call it a book.

23:22:35 AdrianoOliveira: hi BingoBoingo, thanks

23:22:36 nubbins`: pete_dushenski +1

23:22:56 nubbins`: they close all the roads in dt bogota every sunday so people can ride bikes w/ their families

23:23:02 nubbins`: fun thing

23:23:06 BingoBoingo: mike_c: If you need someone to proofread your Latex file...

23:23:22 BingoBoingo: AdrianoOliveira: What brings you here?

23:24:23 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: and there's giant outdoor dance lessons in the middle of it all

23:24:25 AdrianoOliveira: Im was looking for info/people trading options on btc and ended up on bitcoin-assets.com

23:24:30 pete_dushenski: cyclo dia

23:24:40 pete_dushenski: or cyclovia or something

23:24:56 nubbins`: yah

23:24:59 AdrianoOliveira: although it doesn't seem to be the right place, i came to check the channel, as i have never been in the channel before

23:25:03 pete_dushenski: we rented some bikes, pretty bush league things but that's what there was

23:25:19 nubbins`: bike is king

23:25:26 BingoBoingo: AdrianoOliveira: Lurk a bit, you might learn something

23:25:34 pete_dushenski: $20/day and these bikes would've been left beside the dumpster in canada, untouched

23:25:44 BingoBoingo: AdrianoOliveira: This is a bit trading nexus, a bit social club

23:26:00 pete_dushenski: AdrianoOliveira: how did you hear about b-a?

23:26:30 chetty: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu3ixOdIMAAdNTM.jpg

23:26:38 BingoBoingo: AdrianoOliveira: This kind of gives the gist of things http://trilema.com/2014/the-forum-and-its-implementation/

23:26:39 assbot: The forum and its implementation. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:27:00 BingoBoingo: Huge props to kakobrekla for making this humble channel many moons ago

23:27:00 nubbins`: that's expensive

23:27:04 AdrianoOliveira: pete_dushenski: I follow a link posted on a comment in one of the topics at bitcointalk

23:27:11 nubbins`: we rented rad bikes in amsterdam for i think 9 euro per day

23:27:25 AdrianoOliveira: pete_dushenski: one of the mpex, i think

23:27:47 BingoBoingo: Is there a link back to there we could follow?

23:27:49 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: well see amsterdam knows what to do with tourists

23:27:58 nubbins`: if only tourists knew what to do with bikes ;D

23:28:10 AdrianoOliveira: BingoBoingo: thanks for the advice, I am familiar with irc and I am usually at bitcoin-otc, just didn't know the bitcoin-assets :-)

23:28:11 nubbins`: but yeah, tourism in colombia is decades behind

23:28:23 chetty: AdrianoOliveira, its a good place to hang around and read and learn

23:28:31 nubbins`: you visit a picturesque small town to spend your money and have a good time and maybe bring friends with you next time

23:28:42 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: tis, but the customer service, particularly at the restaurants we went to, was out of this fucking world

23:28:50 nubbins`: you're just as likely to get robbed by a local who doesn't understand that he's shooting himself in the wallet

23:28:51 BingoBoingo: %t

23:28:52 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 239 Last Price: 250 24h-Vol: 336k High: 250 Low: 190 VWAP: 216

23:28:53 pete_dushenski: it was so goddam civilized it hurt

23:29:12 pete_dushenski: professional wait staff like that are unknown in canada

23:29:17 nubbins`: yup

23:29:23 nubbins`: i ruptured an eardrum in colombia

23:29:48 pete_dushenski: fairmont or whatever, they have no idea how to make you feel like a king. they're too educated, too "i'm equal"

23:29:54 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: oof

23:30:24 nubbins`: bad eustacian tubes, wanted to scuba dive, lied on the medical questionnaire

23:30:37 mircea_popescu: holy logs sherlock!

23:30:43 nubbins`: couldn't clear left ear, popped drum while trying, ear full of seawater

23:30:51 nubbins`: immediate nausea

23:30:54 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: dig deeper, watson!

23:30:57 nubbins`: still went down for the second dive ;(

23:31:10 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> mircea_popescu:mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ? << zork for bitcoin? the grue ate your coin? << more like a platform, so people can make their own muds but have some basic tools (btc payments, [blockchain based] random dungeon generator etc)

23:31:46 mike_c: sounds interesting, but doesn't sound profitable.

23:32:00 mircea_popescu: more of a culture sort of thing than a business sort of thing.

23:33:06 mike_c: then it sounds like fun, which I don't have time for unfortunately.

23:33:06 BingoBoingo: %tslb

23:33:08 atcbot: 4 minutes and 13 seconds

23:33:12 BingoBoingo: %d

23:33:13 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2008 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00

23:33:44 mircea_popescu: jus' puttin' it out there.

23:34:07 mike_c: i'm too busy writing my book

23:34:53 mircea_popescu: ahahaah

23:35:38 BingoBoingo: My new friend here does MUDS he could probably do Bitcoin MUDS http://imgur.com/f3WZB3R

23:35:38 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

23:36:46 nubbins`: mike_c paste a link to the pdf when you're done, yes?

23:37:06 nubbins`: also: you don't have time for fun? D:

23:37:07 mike_c: penguirker will find it. it's the b-a library of congress

23:39:00 BingoBoingo: I swear my first IRL bitcoin meetup might involve the next person who professes to have self published "The Book on Bitcoin" without the slightest familiarity with the Chicago Manual of style

23:40:36 BingoBoingo: And correction http://thecodelesscode.com/case/134

23:40:37 assbot: The Codeless Code: Case 134 Thin Ice

23:41:00 mircea_popescu: mike_c sexual congress i hope.

23:43:43 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: how so if you don't support basic news print ads? It's 2014 not 1014 << you know people can just upload their jpg and be done with it if they want,.

23:45:34 nubbins`: what in the world is a jpg

23:45:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: That doesn't seem to be implemented yet...

23:46:09 nubbins`: answer: jotion picture (experts) group

23:46:33 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the idea being that you can dump whatever text/images you have/care to and van will sort out some kind of ad out of it.

23:46:40 mircea_popescu: if you just want to make specified banners, fine, do that.

23:47:05 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: it's a Jaguar-Panther-tiGer

23:47:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's for others. I like the "Bold Text, Bold Claims" approach to ad buying myself

23:47:51 pete_dushenski: sort of a mystical beast, unknown anywhere but the most remote jungles of south asia

23:47:53 mircea_popescu: but anyway, the notion is to leave the whole "profession" of designers without employment.

23:48:12 nubbins`: try hiragino kaku gothic pro bold

23:48:14 nubbins`: beauty of a font

23:48:39 mircea_popescu: because if one ca'n't get paid "designiong" ads anymore, they can't get paid designing period.

23:48:48 mircea_popescu: so whatever, if it's successful nubbins` will love us for it.

23:48:55 BingoBoingo: lol

23:49:03 mircea_popescu: but if you;'re gonna be subversive, you gotta actually be subversive.

23:49:07 nubbins`: ^

23:50:07 nubbins`: the more i work, the more i feel like the word "design" is a poor descriptor for what i do

23:50:15 mircea_popescu: so win-win then.

23:50:25 mircea_popescu: o look, btcscoop.com already live and getting accolades ?

23:50:26 nubbins`: i blame all the "designers"

23:50:33 BingoBoingo: Killing the design industries, just another Tuesday

23:50:44 nubbins`: someone says "yeah i'm a graphic designer", i get my list ready and ask them what their full name is

23:50:45 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, peterl is on that

23:51:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` dude you're just not getting it.

23:51:28 mircea_popescu: you're supposed to call me a religious leader and complain of ad hominem

23:51:32 nubbins`: o o

23:51:33 mircea_popescu: THIS IS NOT HOW NORMAL DEBATES WORK

23:51:51 nubbins`: i thought we were all in agreement

23:52:13 mircea_popescu: ;;google kalvin clein nevertheless

23:52:14 gribble: Escape Calvin Klein perfume - a fragrance for women 1991: http://www.fragrantica.com/perfume/Calvin-Klein/Escape-271.html; Polo Ralph Lauren Wholesale Free Shipping, 100% Original & Easy ...: http://www.omnibiography.com/?p=Polo+Ralph+Lauren+Wholesale; Emerald Insight | The internationalization of the high fashion brand ...: (1 more message)


23:52:43 BingoBoingo: Or is that someother sort of toad

23:52:55 mircea_popescu: it's a frog.

23:53:03 mircea_popescu: and google you suck. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iViyKfcI1IQ

23:53:03 assbot: kramer at calvin klein - YouTube

23:53:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, the thing I posted today is a toad, has warts

23:53:30 BingoBoingo: !up AdrianoOliveira

23:53:31 nubbins`: hypnotoad? he's a toad

23:53:44 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Wait not all toads hypno?

23:53:47 mircea_popescu: i guess i don't know my amphibians.

23:54:13 asciilifeform: ;;google hypnotoad

23:54:13 gribble: Hypnotoad - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database: http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Hypnotoad; Everybody Loves Hypnotoad - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AOfbnGkuGc; r33b.net - ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!: http://r33b.net/

23:54:18 asciilifeform: ^ that one

23:54:41 BingoBoingo: If it was a frog that big, its legs would have been fired. Toad... not so much.

23:54:56 BingoBoingo: *fried

23:55:09 mircea_popescu: so for the ecologists still clinging on to the logs somehow : argentina heats on electricity, has no insulation and does not care.

23:55:15 nubbins`: take this poster, for example: http://imgur.com/LWe1Gfj

23:55:16 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

23:55:30 nubbins`: i'm proud of it, and the bands who paid for it thought it was great

23:55:35 nubbins`: but did i "design" it?

23:55:39 mircea_popescu: i have three holes in my wall about ten square inches total, wind blows through freely. i burned > 100kwh this month so far. they dun give a shit. thsi is normal here.

23:55:47 nubbins`: sure, in the sense that the sanitation engineer collected my trash this morning

23:56:12 mircea_popescu: nubbins` ideally van will be able to do that on its own

23:56:24 nubbins`: sure, it's just colors and shapes

23:56:29 mircea_popescu: eventually. once ben_vulpes figures out the basics of how to install servers and stuff

23:56:48 nubbins`: computers r hard

23:57:10 mircea_popescu: ;;google site:clientsfromhell.com "it's easy if you know what you're doing"

23:57:10 gribble: No matches found.

23:57:14 mircea_popescu: orly.

23:57:24 *: asciilifeform 1100+ kWh (july)

23:57:40 nubbins`: funny, someone in -otc linked that site about 10 minutes ago

23:57:46 mircea_popescu: ;;seen organofcorti

23:57:46 gribble: organofcorti was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 8 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 6 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <organofcorti> Hey, does anyone know what the cost to reissue an expired bond is?

23:58:00 mircea_popescu: dude come back, we like your blog.

23:58:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ac or what ?

23:58:13 nubbins`: i'm in a rather enviable position, in that half the people i do work for just give me full artistic liberty

23:58:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ac, waterheater, doubleconvertingups

23:59:07 mircea_popescu: shit. i thought i was excessive but 1mwh ?!

23:59:15 nubbins`: i did a run of silkscreened posters yesterday and the client saw the design for the first time when he exchanged a wad of cash for them

23:59:41 nubbins`: i generally try not to brag about this around people who earn a living as "graphic designers"

23:59:49 nubbins`: their rage scares me

23:59:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ac is ~70% of it

23:59:55 mircea_popescu: mike_c: or, more to the point, say trilema was actually running an ad slot (hint hint). << i'd rather buy, honestly.