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00:00:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/lets-translate-a-little-rinduieli-de-marin-sorescu/

00:06:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Rinduieli' ~= (arabic) 'adat' ?

00:07:06 mircea_popescu: that's datina datini, belive it or not.

00:07:16 asciilifeform: понятия.

00:07:34 mircea_popescu: the difference'd be rinduieli can be rationally defended, datini are not.

00:08:05 mircea_popescu: yeah pony is closer

00:08:12 mircea_popescu: actually it's just about exactly it.

00:08:25 asciilifeform: therewego, cooking with gas.

00:08:26 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/482efd86111bd9cfe13ee302465639de/tumblr_mz1uqaPhkc1r87wz9o1_1280.jpg << and the spark of life.

00:08:54 asciilifeform: lol!

00:09:04 asciilifeform: is that a 'B' battery ?

00:09:20 asciilifeform: and nice lathework. respekt.

00:10:20 mircea_popescu: obviously a lot of blood, sweat and tears went into that.

00:10:42 asciilifeform: own work ?

00:10:45 mircea_popescu: a no.

00:12:32 asciilifeform: on 2nd look, the blue cylindrical object is a dc motor.

00:12:48 asciilifeform: rotor on bottom, to the right of the lead-screw

00:13:08 asciilifeform: presumably strikes it mid-way through rotation

00:13:50 asciilifeform: or rather, motor only engages when the little rotor touches the screw

00:14:00 asciilifeform: a la old-fashioned school bell.

00:14:22 asciilifeform: to start apparatus, it is presumably given a small clockwise twist while current applied.

00:14:43 asciilifeform: wing nut on lead screw - obviously - sets depth.

00:15:45 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/db9cc5b867a112993e0f818b7359b3d1/tumblr_mw1zrmojRM1s9tujho1_500.png

00:16:01 asciilifeform: oubliette!

00:16:26 *: asciilifeform is quite confident in the reverse-engineered scheme above.

00:17:01 asciilifeform: except - object on upper side of motor is a commutator.

00:17:06 asciilifeform: so, no twist start needed.

00:17:12 asciilifeform: goes merrily buzzing on power-up.

00:17:27 mircea_popescu: a well designed little apparatus.

00:17:42 asciilifeform: the fellow who built it may or may not have been a tattooist in russian prison.

00:17:48 asciilifeform: typical scheme of apparatus used there.

00:17:57 mircea_popescu: just about.

00:18:15 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/f26ac8f8aaa82ec58ed70e3976dfe457/tumblr_mvqutdrHlR1sq388oo1_400.gif << and here's stoya, doing what she does (ie, setting the mark for performance)

00:18:54 *: asciilifeform wonders - anyone else awake? and had alternate interpretation of gadget pictured earlier?

00:19:40 mircea_popescu: if previously awake - now busy.

00:19:45 asciilifeform: lol

00:19:46 mircea_popescu: speaking of which... brb

00:23:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00075973 = 19.9049 BTC [-]

00:29:35 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: do you think there is a way to have an externally chargeable battery as "save" battery on video game cartridges

00:29:48 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: as described earlier

00:30:21 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2014#821825

00:30:23 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2014 18:52:57; asciilifeform: it doesn't have to be a coin cell, either. can attach one of, say, these - http://www.ictradenet.com/models_pic/BH2AA-W.jpg - to outside of cartridge. drill a hole, attach terminals to correct spots. won't win any beauty contests, but will work.

00:30:23 thestringpuller: so external ports long with the leads? I'm not well versed in electrical engineering unfortunately.

00:30:52 asciilifeform: snip off original battery holder, note where '+' and '-' were.

00:31:10 thestringpuller: as long as same voltage etc.?

00:31:19 asciilifeform: solder red lead from battery box to '+', black to '-'. first thread wires through hole in chassic (electric drill)

00:31:37 asciilifeform: origial was 'cr2032' ?

00:31:46 asciilifeform: *original

00:32:10 thestringpuller: yes. most probably unless this specific cartridge was an outlier.

00:32:40 asciilifeform: use two lithium (specifically) aa batteries in a common series holder (as pictured.)

00:32:51 thestringpuller: i'm terrified of modifying because this is a cartridge that appreciates in value due to rarity or something

00:33:53 asciilifeform: if kept as collectible - seal it in a bag under nitrogen, why would you play it.

00:34:03 thestringpuller: LOL

00:34:08 thestringpuller: you speak truth

00:34:40 thestringpuller: i should just buy a Wii-U and get the downloadable version to play for 15 bucks

00:34:51 thestringpuller: seal the original cart in a bag

00:37:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00075917 = 22.3196 BTC [-] {3}

00:53:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'muiere' ~= engl. 'give head' ?

00:56:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/localbitcoins-making-bitcoin-easier/

00:59:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.17417502 = 0.6967 BTC [-] {4}

01:00:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.17154857 = 0.8577 BTC [-] {4}

01:15:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it just means woman. most speakers wouldn't notice the relation and im probably going to get inundated with hatemail in the morn

01:15:24 asciilifeform: lulz

01:15:38 mircea_popescu: it's an older term, mostly disused, ever so slightly derrogatory.

01:15:52 mircea_popescu: it's vulgar latin, from mulieris.

01:17:31 mircea_popescu: suppoisedly sucking cock (a da [la] muie, contracted to muie) comes from gypsy language, where muie means mouth.

01:17:49 mircea_popescu: but this distinction is you know, what you make of it.

01:18:55 mircea_popescu: the notion that romanian borrowed anything whatsoever from romales is beyond ridiculous anyway. maybe took back whatever the gypos stole at some point, and that at the very most.

01:22:52 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490&cpage=1#comment-16768 << great masters of not-getting-the-point, at work

01:22:54 assbot: Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy.

01:33:33 kakobrekla: !s SHOUTOUT TO #BITCOIN-ASSETS

01:33:33 assbot: 1 results for 'SHOUTOUT TO #BITCOIN-ASSETS' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=SHOUTOUT+TO+%23BITCOIN-ASSETS

01:34:26 kakobrekla: now 3.

01:37:17 punkman: I was playing a bit at moneypot.com (dice thingy), then I saw this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709185.msg8776834#msg8776834

01:37:18 assbot: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game

01:37:48 punkman: is this a scam? "Look there's a fucking system!"

01:48:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 1083 @ 0.00141329 = 1.5306 BTC [-] {4}

01:50:40 cazalla: damn, moneypot hooks you instantly

02:27:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.17999999 = 0.54 BTC [+]

02:31:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform using addresses to encode satisfies your criteria, it doesn't have to be amounts

02:31:32 mircea_popescu: which is why the b-a deeds system will use addresses rather than amounts.

02:31:43 asciilifeform: need certain amounts to avoid getting dust-collected.

02:31:53 mircea_popescu: hm?

02:32:03 asciilifeform: can't send nil

02:32:15 mircea_popescu: sure, gotta send some btc.

02:32:16 asciilifeform: or less than $dust lower bound

02:32:55 asciilifeform: plus programmatic generation of addrs with reasonably-secure private keys is gnarly.

02:33:04 asciilifeform: (you want the privates if you want the recycling-loop.)

02:33:47 asciilifeform: *usefully encoded addrs with reasonably secure privates

02:35:09 mircea_popescu: sure, its not free.

02:35:37 asciilifeform: my understanding is that for your application, the payload is very small, and 'shooting coin into the sun' in an open loop system - suffices.

02:35:55 asciilifeform: (garbage dest. address)

02:36:41 mircea_popescu: it's not clear that wasting the tx fees for a very narrow space (ie, the amt) is actually cheaper than wasting the min tx for wider space (the address

02:37:15 mircea_popescu: but anyway, a discussion for other times!

02:37:25 asciilifeform: when blasting into garbage addr, still have to include fee

02:37:31 asciilifeform: so necessarily - costlier.

02:37:48 asciilifeform: but yes, wider space...

02:37:57 *: asciilifeform doesn't give enough of a damn to crunch the numbers

02:38:03 mircea_popescu: makes 2 of us :)

02:41:13 asciilifeform: one caveat with using addresses - 'decoder' must not rely on the garbage addr's balance never moving on own volition. one might, at any time, end up producing an addr to which someone has a key.

02:41:56 mircea_popescu: kinda the idea, yea.

02:42:03 mircea_popescu: anyway, tomorrow!

02:56:09 TheNewDeal: ;;nethash

02:56:10 gribble: 217919029.299

02:59:48 TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats

02:59:51 gribble: Current Blocks: 320252 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 291 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 16 hours, 36 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29479555603.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.47731

03:05:01 ben_vulpes: evening gang

03:05:48 ben_vulpes: just woke up from the post bang nap

03:06:00 ben_vulpes: awwww missed le popescu@

03:07:19 TheNewDeal: how was the bang nap?

03:07:26 ben_vulpes: restorative

03:07:34 TheNewDeal: and the post bang nap?

03:07:50 ben_vulpes: ho ho ho

03:07:53 TheNewDeal: :D

03:08:01 TheNewDeal: !up decimation

03:08:10 ben_vulpes: clever boy u

03:08:28 decimation: heh thanks

03:08:53 TheNewDeal: everybody gets one

03:10:54 ben_vulpes: man

03:10:57 ben_vulpes: condoms

03:10:57 ben_vulpes: wtf

03:11:29 ben_vulpes: now i reek of latex

03:12:37 ben_vulpes: <xmj> ...and django, and uwsgi, and $crap << hey have you ever done anything with uwsgi or gunicorn as a dev server?

03:12:45 decimation: asciilifeform: I ordered a tcxo version of that gps timing module from some junk dealer in shenzhen http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEO-7N-Flight-Controller-GPS-Module-with-3-Axis-Compass-Pixhawk-APM-2-6-e-/281404421897?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item418502b709

03:12:47 assbot: Neo 7N Flight Controller GPS Module with 3 Axis Compass Pixhawk apm 2 6 E | eBay

03:13:01 ben_vulpes: i want to close the gap between traditional django dev with the mangy pie runderper

03:13:26 ben_vulpes: and production with nginx/apache | gunicorn/uwsgi | piecrap

03:14:04 decimation: ben_vulpes: is apache dead to the cool web 2.0 kids these days?

03:14:12 ben_vulpes: uh apche's fine

03:14:27 ben_vulpes: ape cheese

03:14:45 decimation: seems to me that the list of alternatives is growing

03:14:56 ben_vulpes: what else is one to do when the application layer server authors say retarded shit like


03:15:40 ben_vulpes: dude

03:15:44 ben_vulpes: http ain't so hard

03:16:11 ben_vulpes: you want complicated stupid broken and fucked up beyond all reason? come hang with the asseteers

03:16:33 ben_vulpes: the go situation doesn't even have a production ready wallet

03:16:50 decimation: why is it "popular" then?

03:17:01 ben_vulpes: apache or nginx?

03:17:09 decimation: well, 'go'

03:17:15 ben_vulpes: oh

03:17:22 ben_vulpes: static types, adequately lispy

03:17:31 ben_vulpes: not "which" python

03:17:38 ben_vulpes: ("which")

03:20:39 mike_c: http is kinda hard. you're exposing yourself to untrusted input from the wild

03:21:07 decimation: not if you serve static pages

03:21:15 mike_c: sure you are

03:21:26 mike_c: still gotta process the http request.

03:21:40 decimation: true, but the universe of possible responses is greatly restricted

03:22:04 ben_vulpes: http://www.complang.org/ragel

03:22:05 assbot: Ragel State Machine Compiler

03:22:12 mike_c: more like shit that can go wrong while making sense of the request itself. grep nginx changelogs for the last four years for plentiful examples

03:22:16 ben_vulpes: first, you must state machine.

03:22:49 decimation: neat ben_vulpes

03:22:59 ben_vulpes: ragel is bees knees

03:23:14 decimation: in general protocols are the devil

03:23:27 mike_c: i like hiding behind nginx. igor is smart.

03:23:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13885 @ 0.00075866 = 10.534 BTC [-]

03:23:34 decimation: even TCP is devilish

03:23:38 ben_vulpes: those russians

03:23:52 ben_vulpes: i heard a rumor that nginx has 0% test coverage

03:23:57 ben_vulpes: and builds are shipped around as tarballs

03:24:11 decimation: I like the idea of sending a single udp packet as a request and receiving a stream of udp packets in reply

03:24:28 mike_c: i printed out the source code 3 years ago and i retype it into each server i want to run nginx on to ensure no problems.

03:25:18 ben_vulpes: when i was 14 i talked my cs teacher into letting me use the first chapter of text from cryptonomicon as my wpm benchmark

03:25:27 ben_vulpes: 'cs'

03:25:30 decimation: lol

03:28:06 ben_vulpes: i think ithat i broke 140

03:28:46 ben_vulpes: which, as others have said, "i don't care about how many characters per minute my programmers can type, but whether they type the *right* characters"

03:28:51 asciilifeform: gps box << curious, why ?

03:29:25 decimation: asciilifeform: for poor man's lab reference, for some rf experiments

03:29:55 asciilifeform: decimation: lab reference of what?

03:30:12 asciilifeform: decimation: you don't get any magical enhancement of short-term clock stability that way.

03:30:25 decimation: the device can be commanded to output pulses at arbitrary frequencies

03:30:30 asciilifeform: sure.

03:31:04 decimation: which is why I got the tcxo option. the real solution would be to use it to long-term discipline an oxco

03:32:17 decimation: it would be nice to have a 1pps output for time-tagging too

03:32:37 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://33.media.tumblr.com/7acf8dba23117cd363e41e8f5d25581c/tumblr_mzo97lKriP1rhup7qo1_400.gif someone said something of pronz. << sauce?

03:34:23 decimation: as for the short-term stability, I want to measure the phase noise with a proper lab instrument

03:35:03 asciilifeform: decimation: get an Rb oscillator on 'ebay' or the like.

03:38:50 asciilifeform: !up decimation

03:38:57 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that would be an even better solution. One could use my gps module to correct the long-term frequency variation of Rb oscillator

03:56:04 BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/giancarlo-stanton-removed-on-stretcher-after-fastball-t-1633816961

03:56:04 assbot: Giancarlo Stanton Removed On Stretcher After Fastball To The Face

04:03:04 BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/882/giancarlo-stanton-wins-nl-mvp/

04:03:04 assbot: BitBet - Giancarlo Stanton wins NL MVP :: 0.08 B (35%) on Yes, 0.15 B (65%) on No | closed 1 week 5 days ago

04:04:15 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

04:04:18 gribble: Current Blocks: 320259 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 284 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 15 hours, 10 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29494409676.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.53147

04:09:11 xmj: ben_vulpes: hey.

04:09:58 xmj: ben_vulpes: My Dev environment here on this laptop consists of NGINX, some php-fpm, some apache/mod_php, uwsgi and even some manage.py runserver (all at the same time)

04:10:23 xmj: ben_vulpes: this setup is a bit ... shall we call it legacy inspired. But yes. NGINX and uwsgi <3 it works.

04:11:41 xmj: ben_vulpes: fwiw, I much prefer nginx to apache. saner configuration, much faster speed -by default.

05:33:40 artifexd: !s deeds

05:33:41 assbot: 62 results for 'deeds' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=deeds

05:39:58 xmj: fluffypony: do let me know if I can help you with that bitmonero port today

05:56:00 fluffypony: xmj: please do

05:58:11 xmj: er

05:58:28 xmj: fluffypony: do please let me know HOW I can help you with that bitmonero port today

05:58:38 fluffypony: lol

05:59:47 fluffypony: you can create the port...since it compiles out the box it shouldn't need anything except fancy except pkg-descr, which I have already done

06:00:07 fluffypony: I can give you a list of deps

06:34:28 xmj: well, the idea is that you maintain the port and then get infected by the maintainership virus.

06:34:32 xmj: heh.

06:34:48 fluffypony: lol

06:34:56 fluffypony: hold that thought, I need to eat something

06:38:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00075897 = 1.2523 BTC [+] {2}

07:18:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.19989999 = 0.7996 BTC [+] {2}

07:29:26 xmj: fluffypony: sure

07:29:32 *: xmj runnig errands

08:35:51 RagnarDanneskjol: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-11851-2_5#page-1

08:35:51 assbot: BlueWallet: The Secure Bitcoin Wallet - Springer

08:52:34 fluffypony: oh this is cool

08:52:35 fluffypony: https://code.google.com/p/corkami/source/detail?r=1906

08:52:35 assbot: r1906 - corkami - Reverse engineering & visual documentations - Google Project Hosting

08:52:53 RagnarDanneskjol: ooh

08:56:26 RagnarDanneskjol: !s corkami

08:56:27 assbot: 2 results for 'corkami' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=corkami

08:56:52 RagnarDanneskjol: thought it looked familiar

09:02:59 fluffypony: yeah just a pity that they use Google Code

09:03:07 fluffypony: makes me feel like its 2005 all over again

09:07:52 RagnarDanneskjol: ha. yea googl code blows

09:55:57 Vexual: mech kittehz poised

09:56:12 Vexual: serpentine eyes entombed in shell

09:56:23 Vexual: i can't believe it's not haiku

09:56:29 Vexual: ;;laserkittens

09:56:29 gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*

10:12:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1276 @ 0.00054999 = 0.7018 BTC [-] {3}

10:13:10 Vexual: ascii: choice of materials on this device indicate it might measure and or deliver potential when fully optioned

10:22:47 Vexual: !up nubbins`

10:32:26 Vexual: !up Namworld you're up early

10:42:54 Namworld: Yeah, I get up early now.

10:43:35 Vexual: more power

10:44:09 Namworld: Eh, not really. Day is the same lenght, regardless of sleeping hours

10:45:53 Vexual: yeah that too

10:54:27 jurov: <asciilifeform> ... russian queer-haters. << that's perfect definition of moscow orthodox church, thanks

11:05:13 RagnarDanneskjol: !up Namworld

11:51:49 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: just woke up from the post bang nap << gangbang ? pics ?

11:53:21 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: not "which" python << lol you hear that zing asciilifeform ?

11:54:22 mircea_popescu: mike_c: more like shit that can go wrong while making sense of the request itself. grep nginx changelogs for the last four years for plentiful examples << but not the same can be said of apache, because those 4 years are in 1988, and consequently not on the "internet". which makes the point about "newer is better" in spades.

11:55:07 mircea_popescu: also mike, sometime do some anal on the correlation between s.mpoe and http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ another fucking random variable right there

11:55:07 assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats

11:56:05 mircea_popescu: mike_c: i printed out the source code 3 years ago and i retype it into each server i want to run nginx on to ensure no problems. << laugh all oyu will but when i was a kid this was exactly how you did it.

11:57:32 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/6836b6d0201ddcc9f42aedb1c10779fd/tumblr_mmtic3HdIk1qb5ov1o1_500.gif << this is not safe to watch.

11:59:07 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: http://deadspin << why not comment on bitbet ?

12:12:35 mircea_popescu: "If no one comes from the future to stop you from doing it, then how bad of a decision can it really be?"

12:12:38 mircea_popescu: lol

12:55:45 mircea_popescu: lmao romanians are total fuckwits. so : in 2008, the pressure on local journalism university programmes was 6-7 teenagers per place. five years later, two thirds of local media outlets went out of business, aggregate local media audience dropped to a third (not by a third!) and virtually all professional journalists that were clueless enough to have been left started streetwalking on the side.

12:56:04 mircea_popescu: the result ? pressure increased to 8 kids per place.

13:02:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00075826 = 9.3645 BTC [-]

13:17:12 mircea_popescu: !up chalbersma

13:46:44 mircea_popescu: !up guntha

13:52:32 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I was hoping some people might try to guess the extent of the injuries. I dun think this late in the season it really affects his MVP chances. Dude has a solid lead on that.

13:54:35 mircea_popescu: o, actually ?

13:54:44 mircea_popescu: i'm iiignorant, i thought it was the kiss o' death

13:55:14 rithm: one thing i've always disliked about xchat (or my setup) is that it doesn't log nick highlights

13:55:36 BingoBoingo: Well there isn't much season left and he's been that dominant. Prolly out until next year at least though. Lacerations, broken bones, broken teeth reported this morning...

13:55:38 rithm: my channel status changes, but i have to search the buffer and I'm too lazy for that

13:56:21 BingoBoingo: If it would have happened last month he'd be out of the race. Happening this month... Prolly too late to derail.

13:57:14 mircea_popescu: what do you mean doesn't log them

13:57:44 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is mvp a purely technical measurement like batting average or is it a voted/popularity contest ?

13:59:23 BingoBoingo: It's a voted thing the people with the best measurements usually win, but some years it gets controversial

14:00:05 BingoBoingo: Usually it is the guys with better numbers beating popular guys

14:00:07 mircea_popescu: well in that case injury after solid performance is by far the best he could do

14:00:16 mircea_popescu: better than sustained solid performance even

14:00:24 BingoBoingo: Seems so.

14:03:58 punkman: possible namecheap alternative: https://www.namesilo.com/

14:05:16 punkman: looks decent, no design derpage

14:07:00 BingoBoingo: It seems like with Stanton's lead in the Home Run race, he could still finish the season with the most.

14:10:04 BingoBoingo: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140912072316

14:10:05 assbot: Energy-efficient bcrypt cracking

14:12:00 ThickAsThieves: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/12/us-usa-bitcoin-cftc-idUSKBN0H71FU20140912

14:12:00 assbot: Bitcoin gets boost as U.S. watchdog approves first swap| Reuters

14:14:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/12/architecture-in-riga/

14:15:34 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves myeah.

14:15:47 ThickAsThieves: http://i.imgur.com/17rR3VI.jpg

14:16:52 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha no wai

14:19:07 mod6: hahah

14:21:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.feedyes.com/premium.php

14:21:26 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.feedyes.com

14:25:06 pete_dushenski: howdy!

14:27:04 pete_dushenski: logging up for 2 days ago...

14:27:18 RagnarDanneskjol: hiya pete - how goes the trip

14:28:00 pete_dushenski: heya RagnarDanneskjol! back home safe and sound now.

14:28:08 pete_dushenski: trip was just right

14:28:18 pete_dushenski: not too big, not too small

14:28:49 RagnarDanneskjol: nice - a little travel can go a long way if done right

14:29:46 pete_dushenski: mhm

14:30:19 mircea_popescu: hey pete

14:31:09 pete_dushenski: hey mircea_popescu

14:31:25 pete_dushenski: how goes the battle?

14:31:50 rithm: dj battle, rap battle, dance crew battle?

14:32:15 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: Raymonds Restaurant << colour me intrigued!

14:32:55 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski great lol, reading the ro derpage of some guy explaining everyone how fraudsters is dead because "it has no comments"

14:33:11 mircea_popescu: it's funny to contemplate how many doods hate me, and for what endless sort of terms.

14:33:22 mircea_popescu: !up PeterL__

14:33:51 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: sounds like a blast :)

14:34:07 PeterL__: don't mind me, just lurking

14:34:11 mircea_popescu: lurk away.

14:34:13 pete_dushenski: considering that i can think of few personal blogs with more comments...

14:34:49 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski dude is giving himself as an example. the funny thing is that wordpress has a comment index, fraudsters is over 100k, his blog was 5k, but hey. HE rules.

14:35:24 mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, im entertained. and riga looks great, nobody thinks of it as a vacation destination, but i don't recall ever hating it there.

14:36:18 pete_dushenski: common question upon return:

14:36:23 pete_dushenski: "why latvia?"

14:36:27 xmj: pete_dushenski: why not?

14:36:37 pete_dushenski: answer: "because i hadn't been there"

14:36:44 xmj: that sounds like me.

14:36:53 mircea_popescu: well yeah, they all want to go to ibiza, because "everyne goes there"

14:37:13 pete_dushenski: plus, legal prostitution, eu standard of living, cheaper than west/central eu

14:37:15 mircea_popescu: you know where everyone really goes ? to the fucking toilet. what reason to pick a vacation in the bathroom is that!

14:38:08 pete_dushenski: everyone here goes to vegas, mexico, etc. just to get pissed

14:38:35 pete_dushenski: thailand too, i suppose

14:39:11 pete_dushenski: but that's not even just the kids, most "adults" from here as well

14:39:56 pete_dushenski: but there's enough immigrants here that there's some worldliness if you look for it

14:40:17 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and yes, the bathroom is "#1 hotspot"

14:40:44 pete_dushenski: and ty to mircea_popescu and ThickAsThieves for the kind comments :)

14:41:43 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski seriously tho, that's when it begins, when the blog's a tool of self expression.

14:41:59 mircea_popescu: "here's how i'd say this, here's how i'd write this, and here's how i'd blog this"

14:43:08 pete_dushenski: hm yes, that rings true

14:46:16 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: jesus canucks are tought. << lol at least the ones here

14:46:35 mircea_popescu: !up ziggla

14:46:57 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you got you work cut for you now, what is it, 5 days of logs ?

14:47:11 ziggla: thanks mirc

14:47:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00076334 = 17.8622 BTC [+]

14:48:02 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i was keeping up until the 16 hours of flights and subsequent catching up with people/work

14:48:07 pete_dushenski: on the 10th nao

14:48:12 mircea_popescu: a not so bad

14:48:16 mircea_popescu: ziggla sure. who're you ?

14:48:39 ziggla: a bitbet user

14:48:41 ziggla: who are you?

14:49:06 mircea_popescu: a bitbet owner.

14:49:14 ziggla: ha ok

14:49:15 ThickAsThieves: heh

14:49:25 mircea_popescu: lol i'm going to die as the lord of repartee

14:49:31 ThickAsThieves: dealer meets user

14:49:53 ziggla: maybe you can clarify something for me

14:49:59 mircea_popescu: shoot

14:50:02 ziggla: i'm confused about this silk road bet

14:50:05 ziggla: when do we find out?

14:50:22 ThickAsThieves: never it seems

14:50:29 mircea_popescu: a that sore spot. well ideally we find out once the usg finally and publicly admits to having been owned, painfully and humiliatingly.

14:50:56 ziggla: lol

14:51:07 ThickAsThieves: see you shoulda just let me make the schrodinger bet

14:51:13 ThickAsThieves: at least that wouldve resolved

14:51:31 ziggla: when will they admit?

14:51:31 mircea_popescu: but unideally, i will just unilaterally decide one side, and that will be what happened,

14:51:40 mircea_popescu: irrespective of what the usg may falsely or accurately claim afterwards.

14:51:58 ziggla: you will just decide?

14:52:14 mircea_popescu: yea.

14:52:21 ziggla: why don't you just cancel the whole thing if we don't find out?

14:52:28 ziggla: seems like a big risk

14:52:29 mircea_popescu: because the bet exists.

14:52:37 mircea_popescu: the risk exists, but it lies with the usg.

14:52:46 mircea_popescu: if it doesn't want to have to lie later, it better tell the truth now.

14:53:01 ziggla: i don't get it

14:53:04 ziggla: what would it lie about/?

14:53:10 mircea_popescu: what price it sold the btc.

14:53:23 mircea_popescu: after i make a decision, if their claims contradict that decision... they're lieing.

14:53:25 ThickAsThieves: ziggla needs to know your version of the truth here

14:53:31 ziggla: but i don't see the purpose of them lying

14:53:31 mircea_popescu: well i don't have one.

14:53:40 mircea_popescu: last fucking thing i want is to play the oracle for bureaucracies

14:53:48 mircea_popescu: ziggla that's kinda what they do, tbh.

14:53:57 ziggla: ha

14:54:06 ThickAsThieves: <+ziggla> but i don't see the purpose of them lying /// are you like 11yo?

14:54:16 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: can you normally tell what's wrong with you, if something's wrong, and what food item was the cause, if you're sick ? << hilarious when people get food poisoning, blame it on last meal they ate, ignorant of bacteria with >1 week incubation periods (e. coli, listeria, etc.)

14:54:29 mircea_popescu: anyway, what's the purpose of not publishing it afterwards ? after all that lead-up and promissory behaviour, o noes, we will ruin btc lalal.

14:54:52 ThickAsThieves: there's always a purpose to lying

14:54:53 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski if you stfu and listen to your body, you can generally tell.

14:54:54 pete_dushenski: and that they probably cross-contaminated something at home or at friend's house, not restaurant.

14:55:01 ThickAsThieves: and always a lie to tell

14:55:03 ziggla: seems easiest to not play oracle if you don't have to make any decisions about your thoughts of the usg if the bet is just cancelled

14:55:22 mircea_popescu: ziggla the difference is that you perceive this theoretical 3rd way, of "cancelling bets". i don't.

14:55:42 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: perhaps you can, perhaps i can, perhaps other cannot

14:55:55 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it definitely doesn't work 100%, sure.

14:56:21 ziggla: i'm sure bets have been cancelled on bitbet before

14:56:25 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: people just wanna blame someone or something else anyways, eg. the joo

14:56:35 ThickAsThieves: bets have been cancelled

14:56:37 ThickAsThieves: rare tho

14:56:42 mircea_popescu: ziggla not that many, and not usually in a contention.

14:56:53 mircea_popescu: generally a bet gets cancelled early on, cause w/e, it was miswritten

14:56:56 PeterL__: didn't somebody submit a foia request for the price? have they still not heard back?

14:57:07 mircea_popescu: but there's a legitimate contention here, no way to cancel.

14:57:18 mircea_popescu: PeterL__ multiple people. the 30 day term has been exceeded. by 50+ days.

14:57:20 ThickAsThieves: the USMS acknowledged they have had many public inquiries as to the info

14:57:31 ThickAsThieves: and said theyd give a statement early Aug

14:57:34 ThickAsThieves: that never happened

14:57:34 ziggla: yes, so we wait for them to release this info

14:57:38 ziggla: but they haven't

14:57:43 ziggla: just wonderring how long we wait

14:57:44 PeterL__: rules are for the peons

14:57:48 mircea_popescu: ziggla can't wait forever, obviously. but the alternative is imo worse.

14:57:53 ThickAsThieves: so now a few people have FOIA requests pending

14:58:22 ThickAsThieves: as you can see with the latet NYDFS update

14:58:24 ThickAsThieves: ,

14:58:26 ziggla: it's pretty easy to cancel imo

14:58:30 mircea_popescu: PeterL__ it's funny you know because they walked right into it, they were all "o we hve a pr stragety, here's how we'll crush bitcoin's image lalal"

14:58:35 ThickAsThieves: USG isnt really giving info feedback on bitcoin anything

14:58:46 ziggla: sorry folks, this bet is unresolvable. usg won't release the info. it has been 3 months. we will refund the bets.

14:58:49 ziggla: seems easy enough

14:58:57 ThickAsThieves: it is resolvable

14:59:04 mircea_popescu: ziggla well in that sense driving into the wall is easy, just turn the weel and push the gas.

14:59:08 ThickAsThieves: it is merely unresolved

14:59:10 mircea_popescu: running a business doing that is a lot harder

14:59:11 PeterL__: reminds me of interacting with the IRS "Please submit this info within 3 days or else huge fine, expect a response in 12-16 weeks, maybe"

14:59:30 ThickAsThieves: yeah pretty much

14:59:35 ziggla: yes, it is resolvable. i wish the USG would just cooperate so we can know

14:59:39 mircea_popescu: PeterL__ i still regret no judge made their email thing precendent. "from now on, an y taxpayer may just pretend they lost the emails"

14:59:49 ThickAsThieves: NYDFS needs 3mos to fabricate the bitcoin research they said they already did

14:59:49 mircea_popescu: ziggla makes 2 of us

14:59:52 mircea_popescu: or whatever, 50 million

15:00:11 ThickAsThieves: USMS needs more apparently to fabricate a reality where whatever story they give about the auction will seem true

15:00:50 mircea_popescu: personally, i'm waiting for the drama bubble to pop.

15:01:02 ThickAsThieves: drama bubble?

15:01:10 mircea_popescu: very good drama in the whole auction thing. lots and lots.

15:01:19 mircea_popescu: just need someone to get it together and leak the emails and sutff already

15:01:26 ThickAsThieves: dont the losers deserve to know?

15:01:30 mircea_popescu: totally.

15:01:35 ziggla: mircea, just curious what you think the price was in case you decide to resolve the bet rather than an official release from USMS

15:01:41 ziggla: i'd like to know if i stand to win or not

15:01:55 ziggla: i also don't agree with that methodology either way

15:01:57 mircea_popescu: ziggla i have nfi yet. i deliberately avoided the topic, because why prejudge

15:02:01 ziggla: justc curious

15:02:36 mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're curiuous re precedent, the bfl scammers put 500 btc on a delivery bet early on in bitbet's history

15:02:44 ThickAsThieves: i used to be sure he overpaid, but he was so fukn tightlipped to every direct question on the price

15:02:48 mircea_popescu: then they failed to deliver but tried to claim that "it's unresolvable"

15:03:13 mircea_popescu: some scamsites working with them to help them skewer noobs aquiesced, which ruined their reputation. bitbet did not.

15:03:16 ThickAsThieves: its just "off", this auction

15:03:34 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if nothing else, there's going to be an investor report, not like he's mp spending his own money.

15:03:40 ThickAsThieves: does that other bet site exist anymore?

15:03:45 mircea_popescu: arguably.

15:03:50 ThickAsThieves: or did they just reskin to betmoose?

15:03:56 ziggla: 500 btc is different than like 7 btc. the silk road bet isn't for much. don't think tim draper or the usms is scamming newbs on bitbet here

15:04:17 mircea_popescu: ziggla its not really germane, when discussing precedent. and yes, i do think usms is scamming.

15:04:51 ziggla: so if they are going to lie and scam, you think they will try to inflate the price they received?

15:04:52 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves afaik betmoose is the attempt to "prove me wrong" of some guy that was pissed that i despise the "marketplace model"

15:04:55 ziggla: that's the only point of lying i see

15:05:04 mircea_popescu: ziggla it's complicated.

15:05:21 mircea_popescu: originally it was going to be "nobody wanted to bid so we just gave it to our friends to help us "enforce" price policy"

15:05:23 ThickAsThieves: they also have an asston more coin to sell

15:05:31 mircea_popescu: but then that fell through. now, how exactly it fell through... it's not clear.

15:05:39 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so they claim.

15:05:44 ziggla: interesting

15:05:45 mircea_popescu: so far, it's unclear they've even delivered this batch

15:05:59 ThickAsThieves: they did at least transmit coins

15:06:06 mircea_popescu: maybe.

15:06:11 mircea_popescu: someone moved some coins.

15:06:14 ThickAsThieves: right

15:06:15 ziggla: pretty sure the transaction to tim draper was confirmed

15:06:28 mircea_popescu: ziggla confirmed, how ?

15:06:37 ziggla: i thought i saw articles

15:06:37 ThickAsThieves: he never signed from the waller

15:06:38 ThickAsThieves: t

15:06:47 mircea_popescu: ziggla your standard of proof may be weak.

15:06:49 ziggla: i guess i haven't looked into it too closely

15:06:55 ThickAsThieves: not that he has an identity to prove it

15:07:14 mircea_popescu: that's kinda the problem, noobs wanna pretend like they're playing this crypto currency game.

15:07:24 mircea_popescu: except they want to do it with clay pots.

15:08:05 ziggla: at the end of the day, rather than wait potentially forever for a small profit or loss, i'd prefer to just receive my bet money back. it's just a long wait and i have no other bitcoins to bet so i can't even place more bets that i'd like to right now.

15:08:17 mircea_popescu: i hear you.

15:08:43 mircea_popescu: if you will, take solace in the concept that a fiat investment arrived in contention can trivially lock your funds for a decade+

15:08:54 ThickAsThieves: i know i'm biased, but i cant look at the betmoose web design long enough to attempt using it

15:08:55 mircea_popescu: and we're not even a year in here.

15:09:53 artifexd: <ThickAsThieves> and said theyd give a statement early Aug << Maybe they did give a statement. They held a press conference on the back loading dock at 3 am on a Tuesday and forgot to call the press... or anybody.

15:10:03 mircea_popescu: that's not giving.

15:10:10 ThickAsThieves: nah they have a feed for PR

15:10:14 ThickAsThieves: right on the website

15:10:27 mircea_popescu: when was the auction again ? june wasn't it ?

15:10:38 ThickAsThieves: announced may i think

15:10:47 ThickAsThieves: i forget

15:10:48 mircea_popescu: yeah they announced draper like 1st of july

15:10:55 mircea_popescu: so they should have responded by 1st of august

15:11:03 mircea_popescu: thern they said they'll break the law, but do it by end of august

15:11:06 mircea_popescu: and here's semptember.

15:11:18 mircea_popescu: anyway, it's also possible someone sued, which is frequent in these auctions

15:11:33 mircea_popescu: the auction won't be settled until all claims are resolved.

15:11:33 asciilifeform: only way the truth (tm) comes out is if more than a few of the players involved are thoroughly pwned, rooted, results trotted out.

15:11:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform being worked on i hear.

15:12:11 asciilifeform: and even then only if the culprits hanged upside down, wired to the mains by the balls, and admit the data genuine.

15:12:34 ziggla: OK. well maybe if it's not solved for like 5 years and i end up winning it will be worth a lot more at that time

15:12:37 ziggla: bitbet is like a bank

15:12:43 mircea_popescu: ziggla this was said before.

15:12:56 ziggla: but i guess then i have to trust bitbet will remain solvent and hold my coins securely

15:13:02 ziggla: which is kind of worrisome, no offense

15:13:17 mircea_popescu: in principle, if your credit / wot ratings are good, you should be able to use the proof of holding the bet you made as collateral with a gpg contract

15:13:23 ThickAsThieves: auction announced june 13 ftr

15:13:30 mircea_popescu: i see no impediment to this secondary market developing, rather than forcing me to do stupid shit.

15:13:32 ThickAsThieves: held on Jun 27

15:13:42 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah that's it.

15:14:22 mircea_popescu: ziggla bitbet isn't going anywhere.

15:14:29 ThickAsThieves: <+ziggla> which is kind of worrisome, no offense /// insult is the sincerest compliment

15:14:53 mircea_popescu: i ain't insulted lol

15:15:10 ziggla: i don't think any credit agency or bank would take my funds on bitbet as a securely held asset of mine.

15:15:14 kakobrekla: !s bitbet audit

15:15:15 assbot: 10 results for 'bitbet audit' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitbet+audit

15:15:18 ziggla: maybe if we had a GSA or something

15:15:21 mircea_popescu: ziggla a bitcoin bank might.

15:15:31 mircea_popescu: if you knew one / one existed.

15:16:02 kakobrekla: ziggla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2014#608481

15:16:02 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2014 20:18:41; bitcoinpete_: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/results-of-first-bitbet-audit-april-7-2014/

15:16:09 ThickAsThieves: btcjam would

15:16:11 ThickAsThieves: ;)

15:16:13 ziggla: i guess in my opinion the most fair result is to just cancel/refund the bets at a certain point. prefer not to wait forever

15:16:44 mircea_popescu: well yeah, but sadly things can't always work the way we'd like them to.

15:17:00 mircea_popescu: the arabs want women that stay virgins, never bleed and are made of translucent flesh

15:17:27 mircea_popescu: !up ziggla

15:17:31 ziggla: ha. i think its pretty easy to make them work that way

15:17:49 ziggla: but i guess it should be what the masses want

15:18:33 ziggla: i am flexible, just want everyone to be happy and feel satisfied

15:19:16 ThickAsThieves: ever considered a porn career?

15:19:24 ziggla: yes

15:19:27 ziggla: but i have a small penis

15:19:29 ThickAsThieves: :)

15:19:45 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/03MAB12.txt )

15:19:45 ThickAsThieves: !b 5

15:19:47 ziggla: maybe there's a role out there for us dudes with 3 inch cocks

15:19:52 ThickAsThieves: sry

15:20:05 asciilifeform: not everyone on the stage needs one at all...

15:20:06 ThickAsThieves: there surely is a role

15:20:14 ziggla: its wide like a soup can though

15:20:37 ThickAsThieves: Soupcan Sue

15:20:41 ziggla: maybe can make a bit. Will ziggla get a role in a porn movie by June 2015?

15:20:42 ThickAsThieves: there's your porn name

15:20:56 ziggla: i'd probably bet no

15:21:05 ziggla: and if i lost, i'd still win cause at least i'd be in a porn movie

15:21:06 mircea_popescu: ziggla> but i have a small penis << this is no impediment, so does stoya

15:21:06 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: why not just buy shipping containers then. not so expensive, can be stacked... << http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/30/shipping-container-house-vancouver_n_4697469.html

15:21:07 assbot: Shipping Container Housing Community To Grow In Vancouver

15:21:28 ziggla: who is stoya

15:21:33 mircea_popescu: !s stoya

15:21:34 assbot: 16 results for 'stoya' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=stoya

15:21:57 ziggla: pretty sure there's a female pornstar named stoya

15:22:39 ThickAsThieves: oh those reading vids are great

15:22:42 kakobrekla: here we have an ugly one called 'la toya'

15:22:46 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: fiberglass toxic << yes << just insulation or… canoe?

15:22:58 ThickAsThieves: http://hystericalliterature.com/stoya/

15:23:17 asciilifeform: re: container houses piece << classic chumpatron. put up steel container on empty lot to live in -> illegal, confiscated. bezzlamatic cuts costs for self by using shipping containers (painted to look like house) -> 'amazing company, innovators!'

15:23:17 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

15:23:19 ThickAsThieves: lol https://www.betmoose.com/bet/bitcoin-cryptography-broken-in-2015-791

15:23:21 assbot: Bitcoin Cryptography Broken in 2015 - BetMoose

15:23:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite

15:24:06 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves thing got rejected on bitbet recently i think ?

15:25:28 ThickAsThieves: hilarious, if Yes, then your winnings are worthless

15:25:52 ziggla: i just went to that bitmooose site. it's lol

15:25:52 ziggla: betmoose*

15:26:04 asciilifeform: in any and all anglo-reich tendrils, a house is required to cost at least 2-3 years of the expected occupant's entire wage. break this rule, they break your neck.

15:28:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the case of the people making that very cheap wholly natural house, being ordered to destroy it ?

15:28:03 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 2-3? more like 5-7

15:28:20 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 2-3 around here

15:28:21 mircea_popescu: was based on some high fiction popular work, the hobbit or w/e

15:28:40 asciilifeform: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eco-friendly-hobbit-house-must-demolished-3931069

15:28:40 assbot: Eco-friendly 'Hobbit house' must be DEMOLISHED as council rules it illegal - Mirror Online

15:28:52 mircea_popescu: ^

15:29:04 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: lol hobbits… so about that fiberglass toxicity?

15:29:22 pete_dushenski: fiberglass has applications and uses outside of insulation

15:29:32 mircea_popescu: it's not relly toxic, more like noxious. the glass itself is harmless silica, but the shape it has allows it to mechanically breach the skin,

15:29:39 mircea_popescu: and cause lung and respiratory tract serious issues

15:29:41 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: loose fibers. itchy.

15:29:52 pete_dushenski: like asbestos then

15:29:54 asciilifeform: precisely like asbestos (which the fiberglass makers had banned)

15:30:00 mircea_popescu: no, asbestos is toxic.

15:30:02 pete_dushenski: and ya, itchy dusty bits are no bueno

15:30:02 asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing why they banned

15:30:07 asciilifeform: asbestos is inert

15:30:19 ziggla: ha i see that betmoose site cancelled the silk road bet. hmmmmm

15:30:25 asciilifeform: but irritating mechanically, just like fiberglass

15:30:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from what i know it actually is not, and seems to trigger a type of lung cancer in some people

15:30:46 asciilifeform: no need for poison to trigger cancer

15:30:54 asciilifeform: just churn cell inventory in an organ ahead of schedule

15:30:59 asciilifeform: whittle telomeres.

15:31:14 mircea_popescu: so mesothelioma ?

15:31:18 asciilifeform: that's how.

15:31:32 mircea_popescu: i guess thios is true, after all. protective cover.

15:31:36 mircea_popescu: hm. well til.

15:32:13 mircea_popescu: ty :)

15:33:04 ThickAsThieves: wow i'd rage if they tore down my hobbit home

15:33:43 ThickAsThieves: it had been up years by the time

15:33:58 mircea_popescu: "this is my house where i go to play with my graphs!"

15:34:04 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:34:16 ThickAsThieves: how can one troll without a troll house?!

15:34:18 asciilifeform: in totalitarian reich, it's not 'your' home and they aren't 'your' children

15:34:32 asciilifeform: both belong to the state-god-emperor.

15:35:03 asciilifeform: aka 'community', 'the people', whatever name-of-the-day.

15:35:39 ThickAsThieves: homeland

15:35:58 asciilifeform: vaterland.

15:36:58 asciilifeform: most you can hope to own, in original sense of that word, is - your arse. and that's only if you abscond with it before someone finds a better use (e.g., biodiesel.)

15:36:59 ThickAsThieves: mother and father are confused now, so best to avoid engendering words

15:37:16 mircea_popescu: ziggla so what do you do, other than betting all your coins ?

15:37:17 mircea_popescu: or so the imperial dream goes.

15:37:18 mircea_popescu: back when i was a kid, you had to try and imagine what the inquisition looked like. nowadays, you just need to check out "porn" http://31.media.tumblr.com/101eab0b3b90b3fe81916c5e95ea962a/tumblr_mr66avsy7w1s3rid7o1_1280.jpg

15:37:56 asciilifeform: what a terrible chop job

15:38:14 asciilifeform: who does the bottom half belong to?

15:38:17 asciilifeform: 'gladiator' ?

15:39:24 mircea_popescu: "the departament of motherland security"

15:39:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you tihnk ?

15:39:25 mircea_popescu: if this particular shot is fake, which i guess is possible, the thing still exists and i've seen it before.

15:39:53 asciilifeform: every time i see the bed of nails i think of the soviet caricature

15:40:29 asciilifeform: n00b goes to india to learn yoga (the -real- yoga, that lets you take a day's break from breathing and talk to the gods, in imagination of homo sovieticus)

15:40:44 asciilifeform: he finds the guru, sitting on the mandatory bed-o-nails

15:40:55 cazalla: that image looks like a screencap from an insex video

15:40:58 asciilifeform: guru gets up, leads n00b to a plank with a single very sharp nail.

15:41:02 asciilifeform: 'you gotta start small.'

15:41:23 mircea_popescu: anyway, if you reject my bed of nails, here's a domestic black servant girl as a replacement. http://31.media.tumblr.com/6d2383b64bd6de9018e867b5aaf31633/tumblr_mxmms3ViO51s65rzwo2_250.gif http://31.media.tumblr.com/e2b0e7664e2e4d64c5a4d8352c9d0bfa/tumblr_mxmms3ViO51s65rzwo1_250.gif http://38.media.tumblr.com/4d6b7bd5912313cf6ceda23ca4a442de/tumblr_mxmms3ViO51s65rzwo3_250.gif http://38.media.tumblr.com/fac9f44da82f3a48

15:41:27 mircea_popescu: 33fceac722353afd/tumblr_mxmms3ViO51s65rzwo4_250.gif

15:41:27 mircea_popescu: ah the "first one ?"

15:41:27 mircea_popescu: hehe

15:41:33 mircea_popescu: cazalla im pretty sure it's the armory repackaged by insex.

15:44:32 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: twould be grand if life could go on without condoms << well, this is sort of the way life starts, y'know?

15:45:00 pete_dushenski: and weren't you all "i dunno about $conference because bun in oven?" a few months ago?

15:45:19 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes ^

15:45:20 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:48:11 pete_dushenski: mthreat: has mircea_popescu been to vancouver recently? http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/so-thats-what-they-meant-by-the-beast-will-rise-up << teh lulz!

15:48:11 assbot: A Statue Of Satan With A Huge Erection Has Appeared In Vancouver For Some Reason

15:51:56 ThickAsThieves: http://freeross.org/ulbricht-defense-calls-for-evidentiary-hearing-re-server/

15:51:57 assbot: Ulbricht Defense calls for Evidentiary Hearing to Resolve Server question | Free Ross Ulbricht

15:53:12 asciilifeform: 'A simple ?no? in answer to questions regarding NSA involvement could end the controversy. The government?s failure to answer generates a presumption that either ?no? would not be a candid response or the prosecutors do not know the answer.'

15:53:35 asciilifeform: all usg needs to do is say 'no' ?

15:53:47 asciilifeform: and everyone will be convinced, yes.

15:54:16 ThickAsThieves: yeah that bothered me too

15:54:41 mircea_popescu: lol i'm not satan!

15:54:42 ThickAsThieves: parallel parallel construction?

15:55:02 ThickAsThieves: USG might be that meta!

15:55:14 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves caught in their own web of parallels.

15:57:58 chetty: <mircea_popescu> lol i'm not satan!// just his little brother

15:59:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 11.43088072 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 994 satoshi per share

16:03:39 mircea_popescu: just because i'm old doesn't mean i'm involved with all the jewish agitprop :D

16:03:45 mircea_popescu: see jurov ?

16:03:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40997627 BTC to 15`381 shares, 9167 satoshi per share

16:04:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 2.26113278 BTC to 29`438 shares, 7681 satoshi per share

16:20:42 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: teh jooz run everything. cept bitcoin << tell that to goldberg ;) fraudsters.com/2014/the-sharp-friar-and-the-golden-jew-discuss-your-options/

16:26:03 mircea_popescu: http://beranger.org/ludditus/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/logo.png << who knows this dog ?

16:34:59 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/510466545014046720

16:35:00 assbot: Enjoyed /PeterDiamandis' talk last night. Can't wait for him to join the Bitcoin fray, starting with bitcoin-assets: http://t.co/bsMbRCfy9J

16:35:44 asciilifeform: 'Passionate about innovation and creating a world of Abundance.' << lol!

16:36:48 pete_dushenski: yil: diamandis is an asteroid mining, spacexing, self-proclaimed "capitalist libertarians" who is a big believer in bitcoin and is going to be launching a bitcoin something soon

16:37:38 asciilifeform: chap should get on with drowning honourably aboard a seastead or stfu...

16:38:33 *: asciilifeform intensely allergic to 'silicon valley' state religion.

16:39:28 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: lol ya and he's pro-gmo because "no one hurt yet"

16:40:01 asciilifeform: once you utter 'pro-' or 'anti-gmo' you're swallowed the stupid pill.

16:40:04 pete_dushenski: also: "wait until you see what the third world invents when they get internet access"

16:40:26 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: how do you figure? re gmo

16:41:04 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2014#800342

16:41:05 assbot: Logged on 18-08-2014 16:08:14; asciilifeform: gmo foods << a term annoying as all hell. there are no 'gmo foods

16:42:22 pete_dushenski: lab-modified-foods then?

16:42:44 asciilifeform: focusing on the fact of modification, rather than specific purpose, is idiotic.

16:42:51 pete_dushenski: naively engineered top-down slop?

16:43:17 pete_dushenski: so is calling bitcoin crypto-currency

16:43:27 asciilifeform: the only extant commercial mods are - to help the plant resist megatonnes of poisonous crud poured on top.

16:43:33 pete_dushenski: so is calling a crossover vehicle a truck

16:44:13 pete_dushenski: also aridity

16:44:21 asciilifeform: it's precisely like calling bitcoin a 'crypto-currency', as if there were other similar apparatus worth mentioning, sitting on the shelf next to it.

16:45:40 pete_dushenski: right. ok so let's clean up the language and go with "lmo"

16:45:43 pete_dushenski: ;;ud lmo

16:45:44 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=LMO | LMO. Acronym of the phrase 'Let's Move On'. Most commonly used in three contexts: 1. To express the idea of accepting an event 2. To change the topic of ...

16:45:54 pete_dushenski: lol fitting

16:45:57 pete_dushenski: ;;ud gmo

16:45:58 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gmo | 1. genetically modified orgasm. 2. to have a fake orgasm. "I just found out my girlfriend has been GMOing on me." "Jenna Jameson is the queen of GMOing.".

16:46:19 pete_dushenski: jenna's up there all right

16:46:20 asciilifeform: american propaganda schools have an interesting term of art,

16:46:25 asciilifeform: 'teaching the controversy'

16:47:05 asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically

16:47:19 asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.'

16:47:31 asciilifeform: (at least two! of which the artist controls at least 1...)

16:47:59 pete_dushenski: myeah. or both

16:48:22 pete_dushenski: but i must be going. cheers b-a!

16:48:27 asciilifeform: if controversy is manufactured from whole cloth, in empty space, then typically - both.

16:49:08 asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/PeterDiamandis << revolting spam. mega-vomit.

16:49:10 assbot: Peter Diamandis (PeterDiamandis) | Twitter

16:50:26 ThickAsThieves: "Want to become a billionaire? Then find a way to help a billion people."

16:50:50 asciilifeform: there's not a single post where the 'parody horizon' isn't crossed or at least approached...

16:51:48 asciilifeform: there are more people who miss required classes in marx-leninism than there ever will be people who will miss the silicon valley crapolade.

16:52:15 ThickAsThieves: a salesman is but a caricature

16:55:24 ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/tim-draper-bitcoins-price-still-headed-10k/

16:55:24 assbot: Tim Draper: Bitcoin's Price Still Headed to $10k

16:55:28 ThickAsThieves: “I guess the markets aren’t seeing what I am seeing. An entire economy is being rebuilt. I have a price target of $10,000 in three years. Even that may be pessimistic.”

17:00:46 asciilifeform: what does $1 usd cost in soviet rubles? zimbabwe dollars ?

17:00:51 asciilifeform: and does anyone care ?

17:01:00 xmj: no.

17:02:04 ThickAsThieves: well...

17:33:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00075704 = 2.0062 BTC [-]

18:04:07 xmj: ben_vulpes: around?

18:15:05 ben_vulpes: not really

19:00:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> focusing on the fact of modification, rather than specific purpose, is idiotic. << focusing on female immodesty rather than the specific excuse idem ?

19:01:50 mircea_popescu: !up jenninsea

19:02:50 mircea_popescu: <assbot> Tim Draper: Bitcoin's Price Still Headed to $10k << "I read some stuff on BitBet let me tell you it" FIFH

19:06:01 jenninsea: ty mircea_popescu

19:06:21 mircea_popescu: yw.

19:11:09 mircea_popescu: !up bhcoins

19:11:21 The20YearIRCloud: RS Div: 0.00002808 per share on 2014-09-13

19:11:27 The20YearIRCloud: Just in case there's any RENT investors here

19:11:53 mircea_popescu: assbot reports hl divs

19:12:09 The20YearIRCloud: Ah

19:12:28 mike_c: !t h rent

19:12:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00449998 / 0.00449998 / 0.00449998 (4 shares, 0.01799992 BTC), 7D: 0.00365223 / 0.0041741 / 0.00489000 (1195 shares, 4.98804710 BTC), 30D: 0.00320001 / 0.00411841 / 0.00489000 (10651 shares, 43.86522841 BTC)

19:15:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: specific excuse idem << this is more like the fabled pestholes where female dies of appendicitis unless a female appendectomist can be found, because 'modesty.'

19:16:09 mircea_popescu: but the point remains. what exactly is so fundamentally wrong with focusing on the fact of modification rather than "purpose" ?

19:16:16 mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what the purpose is, generally speaking

19:17:05 asciilifeform: purpose+effect - rather than 'uses godless tech, must be satanic'

19:17:32 mircea_popescu: it would seem to me it's the job of the proponents to communicate that

19:17:43 mircea_popescu: if they fail, their failure can't be held against the conservative mind.

19:18:00 asciilifeform: the proponents (there's exactly 1, monsanto corp. and its subcontractors) are happily and silently raking in the $$$

19:18:14 mircea_popescu: and sane people are happily and silently banning them.

19:18:20 asciilifeform: proponents of what is currently permitted in bezzlandia, that is

19:18:22 mircea_popescu: homeostasis

19:19:30 asciilifeform: except - they aren't banning monsanto garbage. they're banning 'gmo.'

19:19:48 mircea_popescu: yup. tis how the world works.

19:20:05 mircea_popescu: borrowing from the future, always.

19:20:25 mircea_popescu: it's "too expensive" and "not user friendly" to proceed properly.

19:21:45 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Pareidolia/ << there's actually a cool reddit.

19:22:41 The20YearIRCloud: 7.49% dividend yield based on current price, and we still have one more property to renovate from the original money

19:30:18 kakobrekla: mk price + div - ipo price = ?

19:32:07 mike_c: -0.00085027

19:32:40 kakobrekla: btcalpha saves the day

19:33:10 mike_c: ;;calc -.00085027 / 0.0055

19:33:10 gribble: -0.154594545455

19:46:53 mircea_popescu: http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2014/09/paulsboro_police_settle_with_three_brothers_in_alleged_assault_case.html

19:46:55 assbot: Paulsboro police settle with three brothers in alleged assault case | NJ.com

19:47:30 mircea_popescu: nj police steals 20k from random people ; nj residents get to pay for their salary ; for their paid leave ; for the court cost ; for the damages.

19:53:56 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/ofjksF0.jpg

19:55:01 nubbins`: mp, i've been thinking about this massive problem for a while now

19:55:03 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/b63301154fbd9241bf7c89af8ca31db3/tumblr_mxggb9heKL1ra163eo1_500.gif

19:55:18 mircea_popescu: lol wtf is that

19:55:21 nubbins`: the state fucks you up, your only recourse is to sue, which itself is detrimental to you as well as those around you

19:55:22 asciilifeform: nice lathework!

19:56:03 nubbins`: it's "if men in fighting games dressed like women"

19:56:11 nubbins`: not bad rly. i wouldn't fuckin fight that guy

19:56:24 mircea_popescu: i would lol

19:56:35 mircea_popescu: looks like an easy fight

19:57:14 nubbins`: sure, but if you miss the dick on your first strike, you're goin down

19:57:42 mircea_popescu: orly ?

19:58:28 nubbins`: them muscles didn't grow themselves

19:58:33 nubbins`: well. i mean. they did

19:58:41 nubbins`: but y'know what i'm trying to say

19:58:45 kakobrekla: mp shows him his dick and nigga faints?

19:59:32 mircea_popescu: lol but i dun get it, what's the dick going to do to me ? not like i'm a woman.

19:59:38 mircea_popescu: do you also fear elephants ?

19:59:44 nubbins`: tf?

19:59:52 mircea_popescu: !ud tf

19:59:58 mircea_popescu: ;;ud tf

19:59:59 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tf | The Fuck. Most commonly used as a shortened WTF. However, TF is used in instances when WTF takes too long to be said. TF is also used in a more exc...

20:00:11 nubbins`: what's his dick got to do with it?

20:00:18 nubbins`: women don't fight with their tits

20:00:30 mircea_popescu: you never met one with big tits then

20:00:31 kakobrekla: save on the "w", spend on the "!ud tf" and ";;ud tf".

20:00:34 nubbins`: heh

20:00:43 nubbins`: kakobrekla new math

20:01:16 nubbins`: bbl jazz cigarette

20:03:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 154 @ 0.00389517 = 0.5999 BTC [-] {9}

20:07:50 The20YearIRCloud: now our yield is almost 9%

20:09:30 mike_c: the lower the price goes the higher the yield! :)

20:09:43 kakobrekla: lol

20:10:11 The20YearIRCloud: yeah, so exciting

20:11:40 mike_c: are you doing more issuances?

20:12:36 nubbins`: The20YearIRCloud i ;;later told you a tracking number a couple days ago, did you receive it?

20:14:32 The20YearIRCloud: Yes

20:15:45 nubbins`: ok!

20:16:59 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 813.28919187 BTC. Current weight: 18,995.

20:23:40 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 91(Y):9(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 91.96707126 BTC. Current weight: 15,533.

20:27:41 mircea_popescu: mike_c he got a bank loc iirc.

20:29:03 kakobrekla: hm

20:29:13 kakobrekla: []bot is missing bets

20:30:41 kakobrekla: is it feed by twitter? that would explain it

20:42:05 mircea_popescu: was it artifexd 's ?

20:43:36 artifexd: Yes it is fed by twitter

20:43:51 mircea_popescu: best feed it by rss if possible

20:44:08 mircea_popescu: twitter is, in so many words, a pos.

20:44:46 asciilifeform: piece of sale...

20:44:54 asciilifeform: (point of shit?)

20:45:09 artifexd: Yeah. I see the rss feeds for resolved and new bets. I don't see an rss feed for bets placed.

20:45:11 kakobrekla: and rss is so great the author offed himself.

20:45:39 mircea_popescu: lol

20:45:41 artifexd: Is there an rss feed for bets placed?

20:45:58 kakobrekla: and half of asset issuer on mpex has or is interested in putting current through brain.

20:46:08 asciilifeform: recall how naggum paid for his crime of sgml.

20:46:20 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is there a new bets rss ?

20:46:21 asciilifeform: lulz

20:47:09 *: asciilifeform reveals that he has not, in recent times, succumbed to the temptation of connecting current to brain

20:47:17 kakobrekla: the twitter has it no ? :D

20:47:23 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla help the man lol

20:47:46 mircea_popescu: ;;ud spastic pussy

20:47:47 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Spastic%20Pussy | Nov 11, 2013 ... When ones Vagina has become "twitchy" and unable to be inserted by any penis or likewise object due to the "twitchy" pussy causing pain and ...

20:48:37 *: asciilifeform waits for obligatory mention of dogs and their geometry / deadlock phenomenon

20:54:00 asciilifeform: and of course, the undying legend of said bug applying to human.

20:56:10 asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/8d55BT9v << example from well-known work of fiction

20:56:10 assbot: From Jerzy Kosinksy's The Painted Bird - Pastebin.com

20:57:52 mircea_popescu: ahhh pecans

20:58:14 asciilifeform: (and yes i do know herr kosinsky cribbed it)

20:58:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it does happen to young women, sometimes.

20:58:33 asciilifeform: as pictured here ?

20:58:57 mircea_popescu: yeah

20:59:08 mircea_popescu: ;;google vaginismus

20:59:09 gribble: Vaginismus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaginismus; Vaginismus: Causes, Symptoms, and Treatment - WebMD: http://www.webmd.com/women/guide/vaginismus-causes-symptoms-treatments; Vaginismus.com: Home: https://www.vaginismus.com/

20:59:12 asciilifeform: well yes

20:59:19 asciilifeform: but would need threaded cock for the locking action.

20:59:34 mircea_popescu: well depends how bad it gets but ya

21:01:57 *: asciilifeform still finds the picturesque scene in 'bird' implausible.

21:06:22 mircea_popescu: which was that again ?

21:15:56 BingoBoingo: %t

21:15:59 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 205 24h-Vol: 8k High: 205 Low: 205 VWAP: 204

21:17:17 kakobrekla: artifexd http://bitbet.us/rss/betsbets/ ?

21:17:17 assbot: BitBet Bets

21:17:41 artifexd: Sweet. Is that new?

21:17:48 mircea_popescu: nah

21:18:01 kakobrekla: i just made it

21:18:25 mircea_popescu: oh :D

21:18:40 artifexd: So the three feeds are new, resolved, betsbets? I can work with that.

21:19:00 kakobrekla: yea

21:19:04 kakobrekla: something like that

21:19:13 kakobrekla: one only is new

21:19:20 kakobrekla: the betsbets thingy

21:21:30 artifexd: Roughly how long is the delay between a block being broadcast and bitbet updating the feed with bets contained therein?

21:22:04 kakobrekla: a minute

21:22:47 artifexd: Okey dokey

21:23:02 kakobrekla: you can hit that feed as often as you like

21:23:13 kakobrekla: there is no restriction

21:40:46 mircea_popescu: lol @reddit "it's okay to be a redditor with a website ; it's not okay to be a website with a reddit account"

21:41:18 mircea_popescu: !up gsdgdfs

21:41:30 mircea_popescu: im curious when this "walled garden" idea of the internet is going to finally die, and how and why

21:43:32 BingoBoingo: Prolly around the time #Freenode is a channel on Bitcoin-Assets IRC

21:45:16 mircea_popescu: hm.

21:47:42 BingoBoingo: That's when it starts prolly.

21:49:00 mircea_popescu: !up CryptOprah_

22:03:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00076167 = 21.7076 BTC [+] {2}

23:04:49 mircea_popescu: !up HFSPLUS

23:14:47 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-fucking-understudy/

23:15:06 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/09/911-after-13-years.html << usalol

23:15:07 assbot: ClubOrlov: 9/11 After 13 years

23:16:08 artifexd: http://crashworks.org/if_programming_languages_were_vehicles/ << the lisp section made me think of asciilifeform

23:16:10 assbot: If programming languages were vehicles

23:17:59 asciilifeform: artifexd: always hated these.

23:18:34 artifexd: Why?

23:18:57 asciilifeform: artifexd: for one thing, 'lisp' written in all-caps is dead giveaway that author is familiar with idea from - encyclopaedia (if that.)

23:19:05 asciilifeform: one printed in 1970 or so.

23:20:58 artifexd: That's like being upset at a Michael Bay movie because the acting sucks.

23:21:36 asciilifeform: no. it's perfectly rational disgust at n-th generation regurgitated crapolade disguised as 'deep wisdom.'

23:22:15 artifexd: I don't think it is claiming "deep wisdom". It is an attempt at extracting a chuckle. Maybe a laugh. That's it.

23:23:46 BingoBoingo: It's a small step from a chuckle to a person choking on their own blood

23:26:17 asciilifeform: 'Physicist Steven Jones, who first pointed to the use of thermite in the destruction of the two towers had to agree to having his university buy out his tenure or his university was faced with losing all federal financing.' << anyone remember this?

23:36:05 BingoBoingo: Not really.

23:38:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: artifexd: for one thing, 'lisp' written in all-caps is dead giveaway that author is familiar with idea from - encyclopaedia (if that.) << shit i think i may be guilty of that crime

23:38:52 mircea_popescu: but srsly, isn't lisp allcaps since 4ever ?

23:44:34 mircea_popescu: ;;seen jayne

23:44:34 gribble: I have not seen jayne.

23:45:09 mircea_popescu: freenode is getting it pretty thickly.

23:45:17 mircea_popescu: !up fdd_

23:52:06 mircea_popescu: da fuck, .al has no whois ?!

23:56:39 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sor9GzivGbk

23:56:40 assbot: The Money Song - Monty Python's The Flying Circus - YouTube