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00:13:54 cazalla: !s newsandscore

00:13:54 assbot: 0 results for 'newsandscore' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=newsandscore

00:16:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24803 @ 0.00074235 = 18.4125 BTC [+] {3}

00:42:36 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/jon-matonis-to-headline-bitcoin4igaming-conference-this-november/

00:43:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24558 @ 0.00074261 = 18.237 BTC [+]

01:09:30 xanthyos: http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/10/cnn-panelist-we-cant-cut-flights-to-liberia-over-ebola-because-of-slavery/ << political correctness will be the end of us all. an avoidable plague will soon be upon us because of bureaucracy and cowardice

01:09:31 assbot: CNN| US can't cut flights to Liberia | Ebola | slavery

01:10:53 cazalla: good luck ebolachan!

01:24:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.13601818 = 1.4962 BTC [+] {2}

01:49:53 danielpbarron: !up gabriel_laddel

01:50:34 gabriel_laddel: ;; ident

01:50:34 gribble: Nick 'gabriel_laddel', with hostmask 'gabriel_laddel!~user@c-67-161-28-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net', is identified as user 'gabriel_laddel', with GPG key id 83019A4725E865C7, key fingerprint 91BA788BA26389161595550A83019A4725E865C7, and bitcoin address None

01:53:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00074162 = 6.3779 BTC [-]

02:29:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.0007398 = 14.87 BTC [-] {2}

02:35:33 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/god-is-a-gamer-by-ravi-subramanian/

02:39:44 mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: got any tips for this legal research? i'm struggling to parse meaningful data from a small mountain of case law

02:42:46 mats_cd03: for Africk and Bennett i was only able to find 1 relevant case each after reading ... ~1500 pages

02:43:58 The20YearIRCloud: I can't believe just how many people there are that are fighting over this $500/mo rental I Posted up yesterday

02:54:38 RagnarDanneskjol: mats_cd03 - this conversation might be helpful - punkman did some work on this - http://fraudsters.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/

02:54:39 assbot: So who’s running the Courts circus ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:55:48 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 32(Y):68(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.9659 BTC. Current weight: 86,434.

02:57:06 mats_cd03: thats the first thing i read

02:57:20 RagnarDanneskjol: ahh cool

02:59:36 mats_cd03: my brain is melting from abuse as grep

03:00:50 RagnarDanneskjol: ha yes, thats rough on the noggin -better to let processor do the work

03:03:37 gabriel_laddel: mats_cd03: I'm curious do you think a NN would help in your search? What are you searching for?

03:04:07 mats_cd03: read the work linked by RagnarDanneskjol

03:04:22 mats_cd03: and i doubt it.

03:05:43 mats_cd03: i'm chaining various terms in a boolean search of law databases

03:05:54 mats_cd03: not working very well so far

03:12:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34646 @ 0.00074144 = 25.6879 BTC [+] {3}

03:28:32 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/review-testing-requested-for-headers-first-patch/

03:37:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31302 @ 0.00073837 = 23.1125 BTC [-]

04:07:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 137 @ 0.01090509 = 1.494 BTC [+]

04:09:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 164 @ 0.01391002 = 2.2812 BTC [-]

04:21:00 mthreat: mats_cd03: what kind of legal research are you doing?

04:21:38 mats_cd03: that related to your donation, mthreat

04:21:49 mthreat: which donation

04:23:29 mats_cd03: http://fraudsters.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/

04:23:30 assbot: So who’s running the Courts circus ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

04:30:11 mthreat: mats_cd03: ok.. I asked because I did legal research and wrote briefs for 4 years.. maybe I can give some advice on legal research methods. Like using the West Key system,e tc

04:30:11 mats_cd03: i suspect i'm overlooking something simple, but i guess ill figure it out after i get through a few more judges

04:30:43 mats_cd03: i'd welcome any advice you have to offer

04:32:05 mthreat: first, it's been 15 years since I did this. I was in prison, so books only, no computers. But I'm 99% sure the west key systems is still teh same, it's just online now. (It was online then, actually, but I wasn't).

04:32:46 mthreat: so anyway, the west key system is a classification system. These days it's like 'tagging'. Each case is tagged with a set of "west keys", which are numbers that indicate what aspects of law the case relates to.

04:32:48 mats_cd03: i'm currently using westlaw, which is referenced to the west key system

04:33:43 mthreat: right. So let's say you have a case that is relevant to whatever topic you're researching, for example, search and seizure of a vehicle or something. At the start of the case, it lists all the west key items, and 1 or more of those will be for the search and seizure aspect.

04:33:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24246 @ 0.00073833 = 17.9015 BTC [-] {2}

04:34:04 mthreat: You can then take taht west key number, and it cross-references other cases relating to that same issue.

04:34:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00073789 = 19.6279 BTC [-] {3}

04:35:22 mthreat: not sure if this helps... maybe you already figured it out.

04:40:30 mats_cd03: my understanding of the digest system is shallow, and i've been hesitant to do any serious filtering in the event i miss something

04:40:51 mats_cd03: but it might be helpful for me to learn more about it, so i appreciate the advice

04:42:12 mthreat: are you in a city witha law school?

04:42:55 mthreat: if so, you can probably go by the law library of the school and ask the person behind the desk to help you learn how to research what you're trying to research.

04:45:53 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: ask an albertan what he thinks of a quebecer << albertans think that quacks have the super duperest most corrupt construction industry and the the highest taxes imaginable. both of these are true, but only relative to the rest of canada.

04:49:21 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: so the 1.2k a month guy wont be coming back? << rip little dude.

04:50:44 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: ah so we are measuring traffic now? whats next, installing windows on our servers? << next is paying people to write for qntra instead of assuming they gangsta like us ;)

04:51:04 pete_dushenski: actually, this raises a question i might've missed in the logs...

04:51:09 pete_dushenski: !s qntra pay

04:51:09 assbot: 0 results for 'qntra pay' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=qntra+pay

04:51:47 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu are you paying the lovely folks over at qntra ?

04:51:48 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:52:04 pete_dushenski: or maybe it's just community service ?

04:55:47 cazalla: something like that but ya never know what these things might turn into

04:59:59 RagnarDanneskjol: i might be interested if you're considering sponsorship/investors cazalla

05:00:16 RagnarDanneskjol: not might, am

05:02:00 cazalla: not at this time, it's only 2 weeks old, maybe it dies tmw who knows

05:30:54 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XasTcDsDfMg

05:30:54 assbot: Monkey Meat and the Ebola Outbreak in Liberia - YouTube

05:31:01 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANUI4uT3xJI

05:31:01 assbot: The Fight Against Ebola (Full Length) - YouTube

05:48:28 cazalla: i love you ebolachan

05:50:54 mats_cd03: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/11151909/Cure-for-Type-1-diabetes-imminent-after-Harvard-stem-cell-breakthrough.html

05:50:54 assbot: Cure for Type 1 diabetes imminent after Harvard stem-cell breakthrough - Telegraph

06:25:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00073783 = 21.9136 BTC [-] {3}

06:42:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4596 @ 0.00073766 = 3.3903 BTC [-]

06:54:43 decimation: http://youtu.be/u88vMSbX_xA << lois lerner (the usg bureaucrat who targeted mostly conservative groups for 'preferential' tax auditing - now retired and making $100k per year from usg pension) was 'targeted' while walking her dogs in Bethesda. She tries to run into a neighbor's house to 'call the police' and 'hide' - the old man of the house shows up and instructs her to leave immediately

06:54:43 assbot: Lois Lerner tries busting into neighbor's home to evade questions - YouTube

06:56:45 decimation: I post this because I think it serves as a warning to usg bureaucrats - there may come a day when your 'successful career' might be seen in a very different light by your peasant neighbors.

07:15:51 gabriel_laddel: ;; google site: fraudsters.com what his unhappy life can teach us

07:15:52 gribble: Georg Ritter von Flondor, and what his unhappy life can teach us pe ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/; Leonard Cohen, and what his unhappy life can teach us pe fraudsters ...: http://fraudsters.com/leonard-cohen-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us; The peeconomy pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: (1 more message)

07:16:34 decimation: gabriel_laddel: indeed.

07:27:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00073766 = 9.6633 BTC [-]

07:34:35 decimation: ;;ticker

07:34:36 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 360.7, Best ask: 360.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 360.7, 24 hour volume: 7712.65743525, 24 hour low: 352.1, 24 hour high: 366.0, 24 hour vwap: 359.999133778

07:35:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42616 @ 0.00073742 = 31.4259 BTC [-] {3}

08:07:01 cazalla: anyone ever heard of people buying fkn rattlesnakes from silk road type sites before?

08:07:33 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/newspaper-claims-bitcoin-used-to-buy-poisonous-snakes-spiders/

08:08:07 fluffypony: lol

08:10:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00073731 = 9.585 BTC [-]

08:12:11 fluffypony: has this been discussed yet? http://i.imgur.com/VIhCwMO.jpg

08:14:23 fluffypony: by DanMAbraham

08:18:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.0007373 = 5.3823 BTC [-] {2}

08:30:20 RagnarDanneskjol: spkg of creative pursuits..

08:30:34 *: RagnarDanneskjol just discovered this http://fraudsters.com/2014/asylum-chapter-one/

08:30:35 assbot: Asylum, Chapter One pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

08:30:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00073839 = 18.349 BTC [+] {2}

08:35:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8247 @ 0.00073862 = 6.0914 BTC [+]

08:43:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.0007373 = 1.4377 BTC [-]

08:55:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00073866 = 7.5343 BTC [+] {2}

08:56:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14334 @ 0.0007373 = 10.5685 BTC [-]

08:57:08 RagnarDanneskjol: http://arxiv.org/abs/1410.1231

08:57:08 assbot: 403 Forbidden

08:57:23 RagnarDanneskjol: [Bayesian regression and Bitcoin]

09:05:22 RagnarDanneskjol: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2504710

09:05:23 assbot: BitProperty by Joshua Fairfield :: SSRN

09:09:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26898 @ 0.00073914 = 19.8814 BTC [+] {2}

09:31:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00073749 = 23.8209 BTC [-] {2}

10:04:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29006 @ 0.00073874 = 21.4279 BTC [+] {2}

10:13:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1833 @ 0.00073704 = 1.351 BTC [-]

10:14:27 cazalla: !s adbit

10:14:28 assbot: 0 results for 'adbit' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=adbit

10:19:38 mircea_popescu: xanthyos: http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/10/cnn-panelist-we-cant-cut-flights-to-liberia-over-ebola-because-of-slavery/ << political correctness will be the end of us all. an avoidable plague will soon be upon us because of bureaucracy and cowardice <<< you know, it IS possible that a cnn "panelist" isn't the end all, be all font of truth and wisdom.

10:19:40 assbot: CNN| US can't cut flights to Liberia | Ebola | slavery

10:20:52 mircea_popescu: cazalla The book is available to purchase as a paperback via Amazon India or via Amazon Kindle << are those qntra's amazon links ? ie, you make comission ?

10:21:03 cazalla: no

10:21:51 cazalla: it shouldn't have an affil code at all

10:21:58 mircea_popescu: well as a general policy, links to stuff like that (amazon, ebay, artist's own ecommerce site, etc) either hapen through an aff link and income is then reported or don't happen

10:22:37 gabriel_laddel: ;; google fraudsters.com polites

10:22:37 gribble: Pseudo-racism, faux sexism : the socialist verbal menagerie - fraudsters: http://fraudsters.com/pseudo-racism-faux-sexism-the-socialist-verbal-menagerie; The sharp friar and the golden jew discuss your options pe fraudsters ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-sharp-friar-and-the-golden-jew-discuss-your-options/; Terms of Endearment pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: (1 more message)

10:23:35 cazalla: so you don't want me to link to amazon? i don't think it's worth the time to setup an affiliate code for qntra with amazon, might net $10 a year at best

10:24:37 mircea_popescu: well yeah, if it's not worth linking it's not worth linking.

10:25:20 cazalla: would it not be worth linking for the reader though?

10:25:55 mircea_popescu: that's a complicated discussion. maybe. on the other hand, plenty of people are put off by seeing amazon/ebay links, makes them mentally dioscount the whole page/site as "one of those"

10:26:09 mircea_popescu: even worse perhaps for bitcoiners, who aren't great fans of either, or what they stand for.

10:26:53 cazalla: which is why there is no affiliate code included with the link, i avoid the same shit

10:27:47 cazalla: general links is something i wanted to discuss anyway

10:28:19 mircea_popescu: i have no idea what their codes look like, i go by "is there anything past the address". in this case www.amazon.in/God-Gamer-Ravi-Subramanian-ebook/dp/B00MY74DJG << makes me think that's an affiliate code.

10:28:20 cazalla: nofollow everything? leave all links the same, nofollow anyone not in #b-a? which would be best

10:28:35 mircea_popescu: whether it is or it isn;t, people on the internet don't spend much time to reach a conclusion

10:28:59 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't really go that far. let them be, as long as they're worth linking they're worth linking.

10:29:47 mircea_popescu: it's just, there's the world wide web, whioch is a collection of text, and then there's the paypal-blergh, which is a collection of bs. linking to a blog/webpage is different from linking to an online shop

10:30:56 mircea_popescu: cazalla and fwiw, i see no problem promoting the ravi guy, if he makes a sale or two out of the feature even better, he's ok. but generally speaking.

10:31:32 cazalla: righto, i'll just dump anything that might be perceived as an aff link

10:32:43 cazalla: just so it's clear though, i have no intention of inserting aff codes to skim

10:33:05 mircea_popescu: that could be a legitimate revenue source for qntra, if it grows up a little.

10:33:50 mircea_popescu: not, obviously, publish for the links. but, plenty of people in the speaking business have books they're trying to push, it'll be pretty hard to keep them out as the site grows.

10:34:37 mircea_popescu: so a site acct may be the least evil solution to a dilemma. not much of a consideration until it's actually big.

10:35:30 cazalla: i'd rather just point the reader to the author's website and they can go from there than bother with amazon affill

10:36:01 mircea_popescu: yeah, also not a bad solution.

10:36:28 BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: If you have access to a law library the law librarians usually have JD's and may have some tricks from school. Otherwise it is a grind.

10:36:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00073699 = 13.3764 BTC [-] {2}

10:36:57 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 how are you proceeding anyway ? which keys are you reading ?

10:39:14 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: my understanding of the digest system is shallow, and i've been hesitant to do any serious filtering in the event i miss something <<< in computers generally, understood as the php-machine (ie, text processing, the actual porn that drove early computing), this approach has proven flawed. it is more effectual and more efficient to make a set of filters that delivers *something* and then make more passes with

10:39:14 mircea_popescu: better filters. a braindamaged 1950s version of agile, if you wish.

10:41:50 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu are you paying the lovely folks over at qntra ? << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2014#865961 whadda ya know, you did miss it in the logs :D

10:41:51 assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 03:53:20; mircea_popescu: the reveal, late oct/early november

10:43:59 mircea_popescu: decimation: lois lerner was 'targeted' << interesting how meta that country is getting. so, sane people worry about being struck, usians worry about being "targeted" because it may stand for being struck ?

10:44:09 mircea_popescu: what's next ? cuz once started the meta train never ends.

10:46:34 mircea_popescu: cazalla: anyone ever heard of people buying fkn rattlesnakes from silk road type sites before? << yes, actually, i knew a derp raising pot and poisonous reptiles in romania. fortunately he had no idea what the web is, but otherwise, exactly what lanky ragaddy hair hippy you'd expect for the role.

10:47:18 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: has this been discussed yet? http://i.imgur.com/VIhCwMO.jpg << lol! who's "moar"

10:47:45 BingoBoingo: moar is that DanMAbrahams guy

10:47:56 mircea_popescu: a it is ? so who's he ? what's he do ?

10:48:14 mircea_popescu: jesus i sound like fucking gaggi already.

10:48:20 mircea_popescu: *:

10:48:20 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol just discovered this http://fraudsters.com/2014/asylum-chapter-one/ << ha! so what did you think ?

10:48:21 assbot: Asylum, Chapter One pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

10:49:49 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He's this guy http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/18/the-cargo-cultist-a-dialogue/#comment-34397

10:49:51 assbot: The Cargo Cultist, a Dialogue | Bingo Blog

10:50:04 BingoBoingo: He just kind of derps and wants to be famous

10:50:37 BingoBoingo: !s DanMAbraham

10:50:38 assbot: 6 results for 'DanMAbraham' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=DanMAbraham

10:50:45 mircea_popescu: aha ?

10:51:03 RagnarDanneskjol: i just got to the third chapter. rather interesting, nice atmosphere. can see a decent screenplay in there

10:51:10 mircea_popescu: o he's here i see

10:51:18 mircea_popescu: ;;seen moarrr

10:51:18 gribble: moarrr was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 49 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <moarrr> BingoBoingo: nope

10:52:00 mircea_popescu: ;;rate moarrr 1 Guy's black and he drew me on a blackboard. In white chalk. http://i.imgur.com/VIhCwMO.jpg

10:52:01 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user moarrr has been recorded.

10:52:38 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol yeah, it was optioned at some point but it never came to anything.

10:54:46 RagnarDanneskjol: nice. I'll point it to some hollywood guys I know, might have legs

10:55:53 mircea_popescu: im pretty sure it expired by now anyway, it was a 2004 run. so go right ahead.

10:56:04 mircea_popescu: prolly will need some fixing tho.

10:56:09 RagnarDanneskjol: oh that old wow

10:57:06 mircea_popescu: well yes lol, i'm not 16.

10:57:28 RagnarDanneskjol: i think youre the same age as me exactly

10:57:54 mircea_popescu: i think we're all the same age exactly

10:57:59 RagnarDanneskjol: heh

10:58:01 mircea_popescu: THE AGE OF REASON, MOFO!

10:59:31 mircea_popescu: so cash went "On a Sunday morning sidewalk, I'm wishing, Lord, that I was stoned. 'Cause there's something in a Sunday that makes the body feel alone. And there's nothing short a' dying that's half as lonesome as the sound of the sleeping city sidewalk and Sunday morning coming down."

10:59:51 mircea_popescu: obviously about mobile or whatever other repugnant old dixie hellhole he normally inhabited

11:00:01 mircea_popescu: but i tell you he coulda said it about buenos aires, comuna 1 just as well

11:00:09 mircea_popescu: it looks postapocalyptic out there.

11:03:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00073949 = 8.2083 BTC [+] {2}

11:08:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23571 @ 0.00074049 = 17.4541 BTC [+] {2}

11:20:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00073856 = 25.5542 BTC [-]

11:24:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1830 @ 0.00073856 = 1.3516 BTC [-]

11:25:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3614 @ 0.00073742 = 2.665 BTC [-]

11:28:37 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/justcoin-wounded-by-ripple-flaw/

11:29:56 mircea_popescu: cazalla "wherein transactions may may be credited for amounts far greater than the actual amount"

11:30:30 BingoBoingo: fixed

11:30:45 mircea_popescu: o look at that shit! "A network-wide weakness in how both Ripple and Stellar communicated transactions was exploited by an unknown third-party to to deposit false IOUs through Ripple/Stellar"

11:31:20 mircea_popescu: compare and contrast with http://fraudsters.com/2013/ripple-the-definitive-discussion/

11:31:21 assbot: RIPple, the definitive discussion. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

11:31:51 mircea_popescu: mp : "Fatal congenital defect #1. Ripple requires any participant to trust other participants blindly." ; derps "oh mp you don't understand how it works!11"

11:33:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00073742 = 5.8625 BTC [-]

11:35:52 RagnarDanneskjol: contrast with this: http://www.coinsetter.com/blog/2013/04/29/virtual-currency-trading-wars-bitcoin-versus-ripple-xrp/

11:35:53 assbot: Virtual Currency Trading Wars: Bitcoin Versus Ripple XRP

11:37:03 mircea_popescu: "After 30+ hours of research and numerous meetings on the topic, we finally feel we have a strong understanding of Ripple and its place in the financial world versus Bitcoin."

11:37:23 mircea_popescu: apparently, 30+ hours of research and "numerous meetings" are not sufficient grounding for an informed opinion.

11:37:43 BingoBoingo: In the long run it seems qntra is going to end up reporting on a lot of fraudsters predictions being realized

11:37:47 mircea_popescu: i guess the original lulz, "3 years' experience" has meanwhile morphed into "30+ hours' research" ? what's next ?

11:38:21 mircea_popescu: "Jaron Lukasiewicz is the CEO and Founder of Coinsetter, a New York City-based company that offers a high performance ECN trading platform and exchange for bitcoin."

11:38:24 mircea_popescu: way to fuck up, jaron.

11:38:29 RagnarDanneskjol: I know him, nice kid - still reefuses to see the light, been trying to get him on WoT for years... i recall mpoepr also had a nice exchange with him on the forum years back when he announced coinsetter

11:38:44 mircea_popescu: so what's his problem ?

11:38:52 mircea_popescu: other than 30 hours' research that is.

11:39:42 RagnarDanneskjol: too much venture cash, not enough time to burn it

11:40:01 mircea_popescu: very sad way to spend a youth.

11:40:05 RagnarDanneskjol: yep

11:40:15 mircea_popescu: i mean they don't get it, because at 29 it seems like it's forever.

11:40:49 mircea_popescu: i know numerous such wrecks, trying to make ends meet at 40something, after having run exactly on those premises, "too much opm, too little time to think" a decade or two ago

11:41:06 gabriel_laddel: ;; ud opm

11:41:06 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OPM | OPM. Other People's Money - what you need to get rich. From the adage, it takes money to make money, and to gain wealth you need a small fortune, which, ...

11:41:11 mircea_popescu: other people's money.

11:41:19 RagnarDanneskjol: huh

11:43:14 mircea_popescu: generally it's not understood that money is a burden, not a boon, and this current child porn cultural trend (i don't just mean squirreling away pictures of 12 yo girls split open, i mean the actual trend, a widespread and cvasi universal obsession with youths) is mixing the worst ingredients : child-hydrazine with money-methanol (it WILL make you blind, if you drink it!)

11:43:35 mircea_popescu: so far all that's coming out of this recipe are wrecks.

11:50:06 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/09J3EV5.txt )

11:50:06 BingoBoingo: !b 2

11:51:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, this is the deeper meh fuck it, ima go write an article.

11:54:31 gabriel_laddel: I was in the DFJ offices (Draper Fisher Jurvetson, VC firm) at one point and they had the big stop sign with the lettering "DON'T THINK" "DO". this from the same people who invested in d-wave. idiots. and people wonder why everything is breaking / broken. Don

11:54:46 gabriel_laddel: t kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

11:58:32 gabriel_laddel: !s the endgame is obvious

11:58:32 assbot: 0 results for 'the endgame is obvious' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=the+endgame+is+obvious

12:00:12 gabriel_laddel: here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2013#431044

12:00:13 assbot: Logged on 25-12-2013 19:19:40; asciilifeform: well, eventually all the coin will be in the hands of people with brains.

12:01:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24762 @ 0.00073688 = 18.2466 BTC [-] {3}

12:02:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 120 @ 0.01074017 = 1.2888 BTC [-] {4}

12:04:32 RagnarDanneskjol: http://thechive.com/2014/10/11/but-first-let-me-take-the-worlds-longest-selfie-video/

12:04:33 assbot: But first, let me take the worlds longest selfie (Video) : theCHIVE

12:29:04 BingoBoingo: !up brianhoffman

12:32:32 RagnarDanneskjol: aside from cringeworthy derpish content, the c-setter *company* blog actually has spammy ad links hiding in 'You may also like:' posts - wow, that's a first

12:36:21 BingoBoingo: Yeah, not very pro given their professed aims

12:37:58 thickasthieves: wait, Ripple has a vuln? lololol

12:38:56 Apocalyptic: Nejc must be happy to run a gateway

12:39:21 thickasthieves: so basically all the btc in ripple is fake

12:42:00 thickasthieves: i have to agree with cazalla that putting aff links is crap

12:42:34 thickasthieves: find a less abstracted form of payment

12:44:22 thickasthieves: i might also suggest qntra have a news/press release/leaks solicitation area

12:45:10 BingoBoingo: ^ good idea

12:45:59 thickasthieves: also you have to people in #qntra and we're lonely

12:46:01 thickasthieves: two

12:46:03 thickasthieves: *

12:46:43 RagnarDanneskjol: I been there for weeks - finally someone joined me

12:47:17 thickasthieves: qntra hasnt existsed for weeks :P

12:47:30 RagnarDanneskjol: yes, just about 2

12:47:34 thickasthieves: hehe

12:47:55 RagnarDanneskjol: i had a nice topic header - gone now

12:48:02 thickasthieves: qntra wordpress is still loading super slow for me

12:48:14 thickasthieves: something up with your cache plugin i assume

12:50:43 BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: caching plugin?

12:54:44 RagnarDanneskjol: i guess he means these:

12:54:50 RagnarDanneskjol: <script type='text/javascript' src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-content/js/devicepx-jetpack.js?ver=201441'/script

12:54:50 RagnarDanneskjol: <script src="http://stats.wp.com/e-201441.js" type="text/javascript"></script>

12:58:54 RagnarDanneskjol: that and/or addLoadEvent

12:59:26 thickasthieves: yeah it's probly jetpack

12:59:29 BingoBoingo: hmmm

13:00:36 BingoBoingo: try nao

13:02:02 RagnarDanneskjol: just hacked it right out of there i see

13:05:56 BingoBoingo: Well it is what powers WP stats we had before quantcast. Not a cacheing plugin.

13:08:06 BingoBoingo: but thickasthieves is it loading faster for you?

13:09:40 thickasthieves: nope

13:09:56 BingoBoingo: Then that wasn't the problem

13:10:08 thickasthieves: is get This Webpage is not available for a while, then it eventually loads

13:10:14 thickasthieves: sry,

13:10:24 thickasthieves: "This webpage is not available" (chrome message)

13:10:47 BingoBoingo: ... Well could it be your isp?

13:10:54 thickasthieves: no other website does it

13:11:06 thickasthieves: ive never even seen it before

13:11:49 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell cazalla thickasthieves is having connectivity issues with the qntra

13:11:49 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:13:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32344 @ 0.00074057 = 23.953 BTC [+] {2}

13:14:24 thickasthieves: fwiw tablet beahaves similarly, except it just handgs instead of showing error page

13:19:41 BingoBoingo: quantcast's tracking pixel is slow. Dunno why you browser wouldn't render your page over that though

13:24:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.000742 = 16.2498 BTC [+]

13:29:15 dub: 1

13:29:38 dub: check 1

13:30:26 BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: Try now

13:34:08 BingoBoingo: !up pi07r

13:39:02 kakobrekla: >Bitcoin deposits may take up to 120 minutes to process.

13:39:03 kakobrekla: srsly.

13:39:11 thickasthieves: haha i see your little smiley face, but the problem is still showing

13:39:52 thickasthieves: kako, mpex?

13:39:57 thickasthieves: ;)

13:40:10 kakobrekla: im just checking out vultr

13:40:17 kakobrekla: they added btc payments recently

13:40:55 kakobrekla: but wtf 120 min

13:41:01 kakobrekla: for 5$ confirmation

13:44:13 BingoBoingo: WFT indeed

14:00:10 thickasthieves: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-10/u-s-and-u-k-plan-banking-war-game-to-test-crisis-defenses.html

14:00:11 assbot: U.S. and U.K. Plan Banking War Game to Test Crisis Defenses - Bloomberg

14:00:39 RagnarDanneskjol: ooh cool

14:08:57 mircea_popescu: that took a while.

14:09:21 BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: Does qntra load better for you nao?

14:10:03 BingoBoingo: <thickasthieves> haha i see your little smiley face, but the problem is still showing < smiley is WP/jetpack

14:10:26 thickasthieves: bingoboingo, nope, i can also add that it seems like it might only happen on the 2nd thing i click on

14:10:32 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel theyre all like that, finance's been taken over by aluminum siding salesmen in the us.

14:10:35 thickasthieves: the first seems to load quickly every time

14:11:01 mircea_popescu: which is what osama wanted, actually. that was the fucking point of killing most of the financial minds over there : they'd be irreplaceable, for one thing,

14:11:11 mircea_popescu: but what;'s much worse : they WILL be replaced. ruining things forever.

14:11:28 mircea_popescu: cleannest surgical strike in the history of surgical strike, guy took out a country the size of a continent in one evening.

14:11:38 thickasthieves: bingo i have a ss i'm making that might be useful

14:11:54 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> ^ good idea << meh, not so great.

14:12:14 mircea_popescu: i'd rather see aff links put deliberately than allowing random derps to send their "press releases". it'll turn it into a trade mag, which is bad.

14:12:32 thickasthieves: that's the editors problem

14:12:54 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> hmmm << toldja wp stats suck.

14:13:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23585 @ 0.00074003 = 17.4536 BTC [-] {2}

14:13:54 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i'd rather see aff links put deliberately than allowing random derps to send their "press releases". it'll turn it into a trade mag, which is bad. << I'm thinking more a known slush pile, but I guess the contact page already offers that function

14:15:09 mircea_popescu: i guess thickasthieves has a point, how's that different from someone being an author. it all boils down to sending stuff to cazalla see if he approves it.

14:15:20 thickasthieves: BingoBoingo http://imgur.com/Psjp00L

14:15:20 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:16:32 mircea_popescu: wow holy shit wp4 uses jstemplate ?!

14:20:15 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/money-fucking-and-lying/ < the latest in triggers.

14:20:16 assbot: Money, fucking and lying pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:20:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9933 @ 0.00073972 = 7.3476 BTC [-]

14:23:17 thickasthieves: mp, typo "thee" = three

14:24:16 mircea_popescu: fixt ty

14:28:31 RagnarDanneskjol: ;;ud cuntstock

14:28:31 gribble: Google found nothing.

14:28:32 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/money-fucking-and-lying/

14:29:14 RagnarDanneskjol: thats a first

14:29:53 mircea_popescu: like livestock

14:29:56 mircea_popescu: except livelier.

14:30:10 RagnarDanneskjol: i get it very clever - imma send this to him today

14:30:21 mircea_popescu: to whom ?!

14:30:25 RagnarDanneskjol: jaron

14:30:29 mircea_popescu: o.O

14:30:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13827 @ 0.00073815 = 10.2064 BTC [-]

14:30:38 mircea_popescu: well what could it hurt.

14:30:59 RagnarDanneskjol: should be the best day of his life

14:32:57 BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: Want to give it another go?

14:35:30 RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot

14:35:39 deedBot: http://pastebin.com/M9awTTc8

14:35:40 assbot: PoR - Pastebin.com

14:37:18 mircea_popescu: !up ug_

14:40:10 kakobrekla: >Open a ticket to unblock port 25. I got a response within an hour saying that port 25 is unblocked and they've sent me a link for some anti-spam policy. No other questions asked. You have to pay $5 per each spam email you send, but if your server was hacked, you are not responsible.

14:40:12 kakobrekla: lol!!

14:40:51 mircea_popescu: uh ?

14:41:50 kakobrekla: broked policy

14:47:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.000742 = 2.3002 BTC [+]

14:49:43 thickasthieves: sry bingoboingo, still problemz

14:49:58 thickasthieves: also tried Opera, same deal

14:50:47 RagnarDanneskjol: kakobrekla - would you pls help me out and kick deedbot

14:52:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.000742 = 9.0153 BTC [+]

14:53:51 thickasthieves: just tested on firefox via cellular connection, no issues

14:55:23 thickasthieves: bingoboingo if you need anything else from me to test pm, i'm polluting the chan :)

14:55:29 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

14:55:30 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 363.02, Best ask: 364.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.98000, Last trade: 364.25, 24 hour volume: 10774.12872505, 24 hour low: 352.5, 24 hour high: 366.0, 24 hour vwap: 360.510032128

14:56:12 kakobrekla: RagnarDanneskjol how does kicking help, it will still be online

14:57:15 RagnarDanneskjol: mmm - thought that would throw it off alltogether, guess not. will have to do it the hard way

15:01:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5911 @ 0.00074214 = 4.3868 BTC [+] {2}

15:16:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00073667 = 7.6245 BTC [-]

15:21:24 mats_cd03: http://i.imgur.com/YoOHYshl.png

15:35:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56032 @ 0.00073631 = 41.2569 BTC [-] {4}

15:36:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11968 @ 0.00073625 = 8.8114 BTC [-]

15:40:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20660 @ 0.00073622 = 15.2103 BTC [-] {3}

15:40:57 kakobrekla: !s crash-safe.org

15:40:57 assbot: 0 results for 'crash-safe.org' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=crash-safe.org

15:41:48 kakobrekla: at least its not using x86 it seems, hehe

15:59:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.15308699 BTC to 16`053 shares, 7183 satoshi per share

16:01:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 5.09444684 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 443 satoshi per share

16:03:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6232 @ 0.00073733 = 4.595 BTC [+]

16:03:37 mircea_popescu: http://frankrosenthal.com/ check it out, website still exists

16:03:39 assbot: Frank Rosenthal - Casino Movie - Free Sports Picks - Free Live Odds - Sportsbook & Casino Information

16:07:19 mthreat: look my what L-39 jet researched turned up: http://bitcoin-jet.com/

16:07:21 assbot: Bitcoin Jet » Introducing the world to Bitcoin through the thrill of the best aviation demonstration anywhere.

16:07:25 mthreat: *research

16:08:09 mircea_popescu: iirc they do show flights

16:09:00 mthreat: yeah they go to the shows, etc

16:16:47 mircea_popescu: Cadet Clevinger was court-martialed for breaking ranks while in formation, felonious assault, indiscriminate behavior, mopery, high treason, provoking, being a smart-guy, listening to classical music, and so on.

16:17:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31267 @ 0.00073856 = 23.0926 BTC [+] {2}

16:22:07 mthreat: mopery? i'll have to google that

16:28:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38350 @ 0.00073637 = 28.2398 BTC [-] {3}

16:30:15 RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch

16:42:51 mircea_popescu: !up jacoblyles

16:45:12 kakobrekla: <mthreat> look my what L-39 jet researched turned up: http://bitcoin-jet.com/ < does it crash like btcusd?

16:45:13 assbot: Bitcoin Jet » Introducing the world to Bitcoin through the thrill of the best aviation demonstration anywhere.

16:45:27 mircea_popescu: ow shit

16:47:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00073611 = 4.4903 BTC [-]

16:56:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00073607 = 27.6762 BTC [-] {2}

16:59:18 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Tesla stock below $225 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/1030/ Odds: 75(Y):25(N) by coin, 73(Y):27(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.3701311 BTC. Current weight: 59,604.

17:13:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00073838 = 16.0228 BTC [+]

17:33:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8127 @ 0.00073995 = 6.0136 BTC [+]

17:43:11 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/isle-of-tits/

17:43:11 assbot: Isle of tits

18:04:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00073838 = 3.6919 BTC [-]

18:05:05 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

18:05:07 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 364.17, Best ask: 364.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.62000, Last trade: 364.13, 24 hour volume: 10307.11723052, 24 hour low: 354.71, 24 hour high: 366.0, 24 hour vwap: 361.281244324

18:15:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4513 @ 0.00073644 = 3.3236 BTC [-]

18:22:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3302 @ 0.00074268 = 2.4523 BTC [+] {2}

18:28:10 BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1

18:28:23 indiancandy1: hi babies

18:28:33 BingoBoingo: Hi movie star

18:32:43 mircea_popescu: heya indiancandy1

18:32:50 indiancandy1: how are you all

18:37:21 mircea_popescu: not bad, actually. yourself ?

18:37:49 indiancandy1: im gd

18:37:51 indiancandy1: im hungry

18:37:53 indiancandy1: but im on diet

18:37:58 indiancandy1: cnt eat 2 much#

18:38:18 mircea_popescu: so eat some letters then!

18:39:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00073863 = 18.6135 BTC [-] {2}

18:44:27 indiancandy1: soo mp

18:44:30 indiancandy1: whats new dude

18:44:32 indiancandy1: what is the 411

18:50:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.0007359 = 7.8741 BTC [-] {2}

18:50:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5768 @ 0.00061635 = 3.5551 BTC [+] {11}

18:51:03 xanthyos: 133757 <+indiancandy1> cnt eat 2 much#

18:51:04 xanthyos: 133817 <+mircea_popescu> so eat some letters then!

18:51:06 xanthyos: heh

19:12:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00073542 = 19.6357 BTC [-] {3}

19:18:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13222 @ 0.00073502 = 9.7184 BTC [-]

19:20:47 xanthyos: http://gyazo.com/0ccfdbc05a9475dbea52b593798ab0d2 << is this zooey deschanel?

19:21:33 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.contravex.com/uncategorized/hello-world/

19:22:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19884 @ 0.00073495 = 14.6137 BTC [-]

19:24:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27097 @ 0.00073544 = 19.9282 BTC [+] {2}

19:32:38 thickasthieves: xanthyos, it's just sposed to look like her, clickbait

19:39:27 xanthyos: thickasthieves: googling for a confirmation of a deschanel arrest led me to this closed captioning error: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/the-sideshow/zooey-deschanel-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-fail-202412271.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory

19:39:30 assbot: Zooey Deschanel misidentified as Boston Marathon bombing suspect by Fox TVs closed-captioning | The Sideshow - Yahoo News

19:40:18 thickasthieves: lol

19:41:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00073524 = 5.1834 BTC [-] {3}

19:52:01 cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla "wherein transactions may may be credited for amounts far greater than the actual amount" BingoBoingo posts his own articles and it's difficult to play editor while zzz

19:52:33 cazalla: <BingoBoingo> thickasthieves is having connectivity issues with the qntra <<< tat mentioned it before but seems to be the only one experiencing it, it loads fine here so not sure what i can do

19:53:05 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Yeah, thought it was just a TaT issue

19:55:12 cazalla: thickasthieves: i might also suggest qntra have a news/press release/leaks solicitation area <<< a good idea for the future, i don't think we have enough authority that people will come to us yet but in time they will, hopefully

19:57:25 thickasthieves: fake it til you make it, what kinda amurican are you?

19:58:10 cazalla: mircea_popescu: i'd rather see aff links put deliberately than allowing random derps to send their "press releases". it'll turn it into a trade mag, which is bad. <<< it might result in good stories, failing that, scammers out themselves, win win

20:00:33 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/11/the-six-pillars-for-surviving-in-computer-times/

20:00:34 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/10/guide-to-setting-up-a-remote-bitcoin-node-for-20-per-year/

20:00:35 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/

20:00:36 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/you-cant-have-fun-with-words-in-a-laboratory-environment-2/

20:03:59 xanthyos: using the public log to declare now before anyone can steal my idea that i am modifying the amphibious bike design to have parallel water screws instead of a loud splashy paddle for its propeller

20:04:48 xanthyos: need to contact grant imahara of mythbusters to build me a prototype

20:05:16 xanthyos: patent pending!

20:07:00 xanthyos: and broad "wings" so that the bike and rider's weight can be displaced in water with minimal sinkage

20:07:15 xanthyos: any engineers in here?

20:14:11 kakobrekla: when i was a kid i got to know the real inventor of the water scooter (his prototype was stolen and replicated). anyway, i did get to ride his underwater bike prototype.

20:14:14 jurov: is the rider exposed to water?

20:15:33 wyrdmantis: bitcoin core is the only way to have a full node on my computer?

20:15:54 wyrdmantis: Or there are other method?

20:16:09 wyrdmantis: s

20:16:56 thickasthieves: !s pankkake node

20:16:57 assbot: 40 results for 'pankkake node' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=pankkake+node

20:17:37 thickasthieves: http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/08/05/setting-up-a-debian-based-bitcoin-node/

20:17:37 assbot: Setting up a Debian-based Bitcoin node | pankkake

20:18:27 jurov: wyrdmantis: btcd

20:20:27 wyrdmantis: Thanks!

20:21:22 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

20:21:23 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 371.92, Best ask: 373.99, Bid-ask spread: 2.07000, Last trade: 371.92, 24 hour volume: 12790.39103437, 24 hour low: 354.71, 24 hour high: 378.33, 24 hour vwap: 364.171867667

20:21:25 thickasthieves: ;;estimate

20:21:26 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 36597298660.0 based on data since last change | 36214892300.9 based on data for last three days

20:22:19 xanthyos: wyrdmantis: the base has to be wide enough to displace the rider and bike's weights in water but narrow enough to be conveniently transported

20:22:40 xanthyos: this would work on all bike types

20:23:06 xanthyos: the rear wheel connects to 2 pontoon-ish waterscrews that are fully underwater so the propulsion is silent

20:23:14 xanthyos: and the steering column controlls the rudder

20:24:43 xanthyos: water riders are responsible for their own life vests just as road riders are responsible for helmets

20:24:58 xanthyos: let the legal team handle that

20:25:37 xanthyos: any open source CAD apps?

20:30:03 chetty: haha money laundering takes a new twist, I been hearing folks talk about how to sterilize cash

20:45:15 mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: i haven't been using the west key system to search. instead, i've been filtering for proceedings involving USG and then pruning for terms like wiretap, warrant, email, hard drive, paperwork, and suppression of evidence.

20:45:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00074146 = 20.2048 BTC [+]

20:46:04 mats_cd03: then reverting the filter and reading every remaining case to avoid missing anything.

20:47:04 ben_vulpes: <xanthyos> any open source CAD apps? << pretend to be a student, download Inventor

20:51:05 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 what's a 411 ?

20:51:07 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

20:54:18 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves> fake it til you make it, what kinda amurican are you? << he's an aussie lol

20:56:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00073987 = 10.6541 BTC [-]

20:59:05 thickasthieves: :)

21:00:14 thickasthieves: i really dont see soliciting leads and leaks as something related to the size of your britches anyway

21:00:30 thickasthieves: it's more indicative of what kinda place youre running

21:00:55 mircea_popescu: leads and leaks are not much to do with pr bs

21:01:11 thickasthieves: well some PR is news

21:01:23 mircea_popescu: mno.

21:01:49 thickasthieves: myes.

21:03:16 thickasthieves: if coinbiz.io raises $1b in venture capital and releases a press release informing the world, some bitcoiners might be interested in that as a news development, no?

21:07:13 kakobrekla: only when derp is issued

21:08:30 mircea_popescu: i guess what you mean is that the better pr is built atop of news

21:08:32 mircea_popescu: sure, but anyway.

21:25:36 thestringpuller: what's the point of a bitcoin company raising fiat capital if they can't use it to purchase btc

21:48:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00073873 = 6.1315 BTC [-]

21:54:48 Adlai: chetty: what does "sterilize cash" mean?

21:55:54 Adlai: autodesk are actually moving towards open source for their newer products, although since it's a bottom-up effort, existing products will remain closed source indefinitely

21:55:56 *: Adlai worked there for a while

21:57:55 xanthyos: i found a warez copy of autocad for a teacher of a class i took in high school, and he said that i'd get an A no matter what

21:58:14 xanthyos: in retrospect, what an irresponsible teacher. i learned nothing about cad use and played the hamster dance all semester long

21:58:39 *: Adlai wasn't aware that the hamster dance could be anything but danced

21:59:17 wyrdmantis: btcd up and running! sweet!

21:59:21 xanthyos: it was a meme back in 1999

21:59:44 xanthyos: played a section of the opening music to disney's animated robin hood

22:00:50 xanthyos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6TzAQXVpB8

22:00:51 assbot: Original Hampster Dance from 1997 (hamsters dancing online) - YouTube

22:13:53 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

22:13:54 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.07, Best ask: 381.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.93000, Last trade: 382.22, 24 hour volume: 13450.59317102, 24 hour low: 354.71, 24 hour high: 383.01, 24 hour vwap: 365.375474836

22:14:40 chetty: <Adlai> chetty: what does "sterilize cash" mean?//people are getting worried about 'germs' getting passed around on money

22:15:50 bounce: <mircea_popescu> i have no idea what their codes look like, i go by "is there anything past the address". in this case www.amazon.in/God-Gamer-Ravi-Subramanian-ebook/dp/B00MY74DJG << makes me think that's an affiliate code. << the only thing that actually matters is the item code; what looks like the title is replacable fluff.

22:16:27 Adlai: one of my earliest memories of being factually incorrect is being informed that cash is the dirtiest object i touch on a daily basis

22:17:04 *: Adlai thought it was batteries or something. dunno, this was in preschool.

22:17:50 Adlai: expired batteries are pretty gross though. i'd rather throw out an appliance than clean a bay that held expired batteries.

22:19:22 xanthyos: Zechariah 9:9New King James Version (NKJV)

22:19:22 xanthyos: The Coming King

22:19:22 xanthyos: 9 .Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!

22:19:22 xanthyos: Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem!

22:19:22 xanthyos: Behold, your King is coming to you;

22:19:24 xanthyos: He is just and having salvation,

22:19:27 xanthyos: Lowly and riding on a donkey,

22:19:30 xanthyos: A colt, the foal of a donkey.

22:19:32 xanthyos: hillary clinton

22:19:37 bounce: what with the sermon?

22:19:46 xanthyos: i meant for it to all paste as one line

22:20:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00073898 = 7.7223 BTC [+]

22:21:41 mircea_popescu: bounce ah bitbet style huh

22:21:52 Adlai: that still doesn't answer bounce's question :P

22:25:54 Adlai: any of you watching the th1btc drama?

22:27:03 Adlai: background: bitfinex created a cloud mining contract for a fixed time period, so its value *should* continuously decrease... but by making it possible to trade and loan as margin, they've created quite a bizarre asset which has everybody in the forums and reddit screaming about manipulation now

22:28:07 danielpbarron: xanthyos, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2014#595687 << scroll up for context

22:28:09 assbot: Logged on 31-03-2014 20:40:50; mircea_popescu: artifexd i dunno, it's been illo tempore policy that people accidentally spamming or otherwise unintentionally misbehave contribute to the port fund

22:28:21 Adlai: my theory is there's no single manipulator. traders want to short, shorting requires borrowing the contract, borrowing requires lenders, lending requires buying. so trader A has to buy before trader B can short.

22:28:54 Adlai: rather than shorts causing a sell today and a buy later, shorts here require a buy then sell, and later on a buy followed by a sell of the lender cashing out

22:32:51 chetty: uhoh now this is serious:http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/ebola-chocolate-industry-africa-effects-111809.html

22:36:58 *: Adlai had chocolate for dinner, shit

22:38:50 kakobrekla: Adlai whats the drama

22:39:14 dub: obola

22:39:18 Adlai: chocolate will be the vector for the globola outbreak

22:39:39 kakobrekla: no i mean <Adlai> any of you watching the th1btc drama?

22:40:27 Adlai: oh, multiple threads full of lemmings crying manipulation. i hadn't paid this thing any attention until i saw this enough times to be sick of it.

22:40:36 Adlai: (second this refers to cries of manipulation)

22:40:46 kakobrekla: ah

22:41:09 kakobrekla: i guess they are too smart to be here

22:41:33 Adlai: https://pay.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2j082z/th1_contract_manipulation_do_not_short/ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=802718.msg9177198#msg9177198

22:41:34 assbot: TH1 Contract Manipulation - Do not short : BitcoinMarkets

22:41:34 assbot: TH1BTC Speculation Thread - Bitfinex Cloud Mining Contract

22:41:59 Adlai: right, they're busy making money off telepathically preempting The Manipulator

22:42:54 *: Adlai is just eyeing that spread

22:45:47 thestringpuller: ~_~

22:45:49 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

22:45:50 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.71, Best ask: 380.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 381.0, 24 hour volume: 13751.74284801, 24 hour low: 354.71, 24 hour high: 383.6, 24 hour vwap: 366.149981911

22:45:58 nubbins`: Adlai, chetty uh.. sterilization has a specific meaning in economics (not sure if you're having a lel or not)

22:46:00 thestringpuller: well at least the drama is affecting the price

22:46:06 thestringpuller: nubbins`: so no more posters :(

22:46:14 thestringpuller: Poster lost in the sands of time forever.

22:46:16 xanthyos: will there be demand for blood diamonds if there's any chance it was ebola-contaminated blood?

22:46:28 Adlai: nubbins`: sometimes context-free lels are the best?

22:46:36 nubbins`: Adlai always

22:46:50 nubbins`: thestringpuller :| okay, you can have mine

22:47:07 thestringpuller: Nah nubbins` !!!

22:47:09 thestringpuller: you too nice

22:47:17 thestringpuller: I'll just take refund/credit on future project or something

22:47:20 thestringpuller: we can discuss later

22:47:58 Adlai: there will always be demand for blood diamonds, you can't put the Magnificent Bitcoin Gem on a ring

22:56:04 assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4

22:56:22 thestringpuller: !up ninjashogun

22:56:33 ninjashogun: thanks

22:57:12 thestringpuller: ;;getturst assbot ninjashogun

22:57:12 gribble: Error: "getturst" is not a valid command.

22:57:18 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust assbot ninjashogun

22:57:19 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ninjashogun!~User@unaffiliated/ninjashogun. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ninjashogun: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ninjashogun | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ninjashogun | Rated since: Thu Jun 26 19:05:58 2014

22:58:35 thestringpuller: wow thosea are some scary ratings ninjashogun

22:58:52 ninjashogun: they're just trollish ratings. The positive rating isn't merited either.

22:59:05 ninjashogun: None of those are based on trades or knowing me in real life.

22:59:25 bounce: how does that relate to you hanging out here, where those ratings come from?

22:59:41 ninjashogun: I mean they give the impression of being based on something (transactions with me etc).

22:59:43 Apocalyptic: thestringpuller, you don't know the fellow ?

23:00:11 kakobrekla: verbal transactions count.

23:00:26 ninjashogun: kakobrekla, yes of course they do.

23:00:42 kakobrekla: verbal is actually the wrong word here. hehe

23:00:48 ninjashogun: ?

23:00:53 ninjashogun: What did you mean then?

23:00:54 ben_vulpes: text action

23:01:07 bounce: hot text on text action

23:01:57 thestringpuller: Apocalyptic: i only rate people when I do extensive interactions with them. or interactions highly dependent on trust.

23:02:10 thestringpuller: thus in that context I not know ninjashogun.

23:02:23 Apocalyptic: i didn't ask about rating, but he made some voice here a while ago

23:02:23 ninjashogun: Let's talk about something interesting. Did you guys see htat Reddit's investors are giving 10% of their series B round to the reddit community? (http://blog.samaltman.com/reddit)

23:02:34 Apocalyptic: *noise

23:02:55 thestringpuller: !s reddit stock crypto

23:02:56 assbot: 0 results for 'reddit stock crypto' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=reddit+stock+crypto

23:03:02 thestringpuller: !s reddit stock

23:03:03 assbot: 3 results for 'reddit stock' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=reddit+stock

23:03:17 ben_vulpes: damn ninjashogun you can't even be arsed to use the convenient logsearch?

23:03:38 mircea_popescu: Adlai it's pretty well established that bitfinex are derpy already.

23:03:58 thestringpuller: i dunno where we've discussed it to be honest. so the log search is not helping me. i'm also an idiot with archival retrieval sooo

23:04:00 Adlai: beautifully understated

23:04:11 kakobrekla: (so is kraken btw)

23:04:26 kakobrekla: just retarded in a different way.

23:04:45 Adlai: which way?

23:04:55 kakobrekla: !s kraken

23:04:55 assbot: 253 results for 'kraken' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kraken

23:05:12 kakobrekla: blah gribble

23:05:16 ninjashogun: No, those log searches don't show anything. But at least I personally think it's big news. This is from sept 30th.

23:05:24 mircea_popescu: !down ninjashogun

23:05:34 kakobrekla: !s kraken -gribble

23:05:35 assbot: 134 results for 'kraken -gribble' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kraken+-gribble

23:05:48 mircea_popescu: see ? wasn't even that far off!

23:06:57 Adlai: LOL i didn't realize one could "welsh" on a bet, that's a new slur to me

23:07:52 kakobrekla: and to add more to the logs, today from Darko (kraken) : The documentation on the partial payment feature is very poor. Even the Stellar Development Foundation only learned of the issue this past week. Even though there was an update to the Stellar code base to remove the feature, we are nonetheless taking the Stellar gateway offline until we can fully evaluate everything ourselves. Overly cautious perhaps, but we'd rather be overly

23:07:52 mircea_popescu: it's not a slur, it's true :D

23:07:52 kakobrekla: cautious in a situation like this.

23:07:58 kakobrekla: lulz

23:08:23 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla they all got raped because they thought themselves smarter than the b-a crowd.

23:08:29 mircea_popescu: gotta implement ripple and css yo!

23:08:31 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2014#602554

23:08:33 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2014 19:15:23; kakobrekla: kraken will trade you dead grandmother if the logo is nice.

23:08:49 thestringpuller: interesting idea: way to tie entities to Web of Trust identities?

23:08:57 mircea_popescu: quite

23:09:00 thestringpuller: like a directory of sort.

23:10:41 kakobrekla: well since you worked with their api Adlai , you prolly noticed their rate limits

23:10:54 kakobrekla: prolly the most retarded setup on this planet.

23:11:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00073892 = 28.3006 BTC [-] {2}

23:11:20 Adlai: that doesn't make them derpy, just drastically lacking in infrastructure... which is a little derpy for an exchange

23:11:40 kakobrekla: that is just one of the 1000 and 1 fails of kraken

23:13:02 Apocalyptic: Adlai, you're familiar with the "same deposit address to multiple customers" issue ?

23:13:25 kakobrekla: as for the infrastructure - i am quite confident they have less than half of what they had a year ago

23:14:32 Adlai: Apocalyptic: link?

23:14:56 Apocalyptic: it's on btctalk, I'm confident you can find it yourself

23:15:45 Adlai: a link is a link even when it's not a url :)

23:15:50 mircea_popescu: Adlai it's how they squandered their original trust capital

23:16:16 *: Adlai doesn't understand why they haven't turned on the margin engine

23:16:31 Adlai: it seems as though all the software is in place, and this is obviously a feature that the average trader loves to use

23:16:38 Adlai: (otherwise why would people still be on bitfinex)

23:19:13 kakobrekla: afaik bfx is loose on dox if you dont withdraw fiat

23:19:38 Adlai: another beautiful understatement

23:19:40 kakobrekla: (and possibly dposit)

23:19:43 Adlai: they don't know anything about me other than an email address

23:20:00 kakobrekla: i dont know the details - not registered.

23:24:44 mircea_popescu: http://mpex.ws/?mpsic=S.QNTR <<< so this is a little bit of news

23:24:44 assbot: S.QNTR last @0.00000000

23:24:49 mircea_popescu: congrats cazalla & BingoBoingo

23:25:46 cazalla: and this is what i link to from qntra?

23:25:48 mircea_popescu: also pete_dushenski, mike_c, RagnarDanneskjol, other interested parties ^

23:25:56 mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah put in a footer somewhere.

23:26:01 cazalla: ok

23:27:00 Adlai: qntra.net seems to have some ssl issue?

23:27:26 kakobrekla: ssl has issue with qntra prolly

23:27:38 Adlai: well, the certificate is issued for a different domain name

23:28:06 cazalla: that's interesting

23:28:46 kakobrekla: also is there a point in ssl if its optional

23:29:17 Apocalyptic: <Adlai> qntra.net seems to have some ssl issue? // just got the error

23:29:34 cazalla: i didn't reg an ssl cert, the domain was dropped by qntra.com at some point i believe

23:29:35 mircea_popescu: cazalla srsly, just ditch https altogether

23:29:36 Apocalyptic: the ssl cert provided seems to be for *.battlequest.com

23:29:44 mircea_popescu: it doesn't actually add any security, costs money and adds complexity.

23:30:02 cazalla: i never added it so how do i remove it

23:30:49 Apocalyptic: mircea, it at least adds security in the sense of preventing sniffing by some derps

23:30:55 kakobrekla: green icon is nice though.

23:31:22 cazalla: battlequest looks good

23:31:30 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic sniffing what ?

23:32:09 Apocalyptic: the transmitted data

23:33:08 mircea_popescu: but it's a news website.

23:33:31 Apocalyptic: I know, I thought your statement was general and not related to qntra

23:33:41 mircea_popescu: cazalla you don't really need to do anything.

23:34:00 cazalla: i assume it'll go away once cert expires

23:34:14 mircea_popescu: nah

23:34:19 mircea_popescu: it'll just bitch about expired cert then

23:34:25 mircea_popescu: but w/e, people gotta learn to get off https

23:34:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14189 @ 0.0007364 = 10.4488 BTC [-]

23:35:09 mircea_popescu: i suppose the user-friendliest solution would be to get a cheapo cert and then redirect it via mod_rewrite

23:36:32 kakobrekla: they wont learn

23:37:05 mircea_popescu: hey, its a parade over here!

23:37:13 kakobrekla: hehe

23:37:21 kakobrekla: sry sry

23:37:23 *: kakobrekla winds off

23:39:14 dub: BREAKING: MPEx IPOs bitcoin drama. You'll Never Believe Wat Happens Next

23:39:22 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1FZ0HPH.txt )

23:39:22 BingoBoingo: !b 1

23:41:17 BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr

23:41:17 assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?

23:43:19 mircea_popescu: lol

23:43:32 mircea_popescu: who/what had that tagline ? "you won't believe what happens next"

23:43:44 cazalla: that youtube video from other week

23:43:45 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no i meant literally. peruvian day parade.

23:44:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00073987 = 9.1744 BTC [+]

23:50:38 BingoBoingo: %v

23:50:40 atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 185 Ask: 225 Last Price: 225 30d-Vol: 170k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 198

23:51:48 kakobrekla: so, rain on?

23:52:43 mircea_popescu: lol

23:52:45 mircea_popescu: no nudity

23:53:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in cryptography, every constant's a salt. you're well advised to change ALL constants << and turn wrong knob, die by pollard rho or similar.

23:54:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's for small primes neh ?

23:54:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not hard to see why schneier and his owner would tell us 'don't homebrew crypto', but the propaganda has a basis in honest fact - average 'k00l d00dz' programmer will hang himself with own gun

23:54:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes. for the exponent example specifically, see coppersmith's attack.

23:54:59 mircea_popescu: ideally, by the time he's old enough to have a gun he has enough experience with peashooters to know better.

23:55:17 mircea_popescu: provided he's given peashooters as a kid and encouraged to shoot himself till he gets tired of it.

23:55:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interestingly, cryptography does not work this way. you can walk around for years as a zombie, while not knowing that you're really blown your brains out years ago and ought to rest in the grave.

23:56:00 mircea_popescu: also true

23:56:19 mircea_popescu: still, you gotta gimme something. don't use standard stuff, don't homebrew, what then ? wait for god ?

23:56:34 asciilifeform: nah

23:56:53 asciilifeform: rewire, homebrew. but do occasionally study how the damn thing works.

23:58:07 Adlai: i've been seeing "you won't believe what happens next" since the first banner ads

23:58:49 *: asciilifeform finds it quite impossible to imagine anything other than a mutilated corpse following 'won't believe what happens next' phrase.

23:58:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00073936 = 14.6763 BTC [-]