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00:09:19 gabriel_laddel: http://mazepath.com/uncleal/job1.htm http://mazepath.com/uncleal/job2.htm http://mazepath.com/uncleal/job3.htm

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00:10:57 gabriel_laddel: Oh and http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/firstjob.htm

00:10:58 assbot: UNCLE AL'S FIRST JOBS ... ( http://bit.ly/1UNdrxM )

00:16:14 mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568&cpage=4#comment-17553 ?

00:16:16 assbot: Loper OS » Why Hypercard Had to Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1UNe3Uf )

00:20:43 phf: gabriel_laddel: i was drunk when answering you last time. i like the idea of a self-contained lisp system with ux built on top of xproto/xlib/zen, because can still attach c program outputs, and stream own output to unix systems proper. i've been building my own tools to be essentially a combination of cmucl repl, that spawn xlib windows on demand. not sure if you know but x is essentially a binary network protocol (described in

00:20:43 phf: variations of "X Window System Protocol" documents), with xlib being its C implementation. core protocol is pretty simple, but problems start with protocol extensions of various levels of retardation (like xinerama, etc.)

00:21:10 phf: how xserver talks to hardware is entirely outside the scope of protocol, since server accepts the xproto packets and then does rendering

00:22:26 phf: main problem with zen right now is that it does rendering, but it uses opengl (glx specifically) as the framebuffer. i've not looked at the implementation bits, but i assume that it goes beyond simple blit, so you might be able to retarget it to other opengl, but not necessarily straight to framebuffer, without implementing your own blit level rendering primitives

00:23:44 phf: also zen doesn't support most of the modern x11 extensions, that you might want for running something like firefox. in fact last time i checked it didn't support xrander, which is an old image composition extension that might as well be standard

00:30:20 phf: !up gabriel_laddel

00:32:20 gabriel_laddel: "i've been building my own tools to be essentially a combination of cmucl repl, that spawn xlib windows on demand" << xlib windows that display what exactly? Large GUIs? Renderings of novel structures?

00:34:06 phf: gabriel_laddel: gnuplot, xfoil kind of output, i.e. batch graphic, or anything that requires input with a mouse

00:39:01 phf: i know you do clim, but running clim through zen is essentially simultaneously trying to debug two 70% speed/coverage projects. even simple handwritten xlib proggies don't work out of the box.

00:42:42 mats: oh cads

00:44:47 mats: we were almost finalized on a small project where he'd design a widget and send me 3d prints of the prototype

00:45:10 mats: and then he disappeared forever (I didn't render any payment, though)

00:45:28 mats: ;;seen cads

00:45:29 gribble: cads was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 40 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 22 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <cads> being Professor Cads in an underground university

00:52:39 gabriel_laddel: phf: "because can still attach c program outputs" + "zen doesn't support most of the modern x11 extensions, that you might want for running something like firefox". We have CLIM irc, a listener (repl), an editor, dired + other. I don't particularly want to run c programs. You'd just end up reinventing CLIM anyways after you notice that "gee, it would be nice to have draggable crossbars in my GUI and geometry".

00:53:33 gabriel_laddel: phf: yes, debugging CLIM + zen at the same time is going to suck, but debugging CLIM + xlib sucks, and I have not yet compared the two to find out which is worse.

00:54:24 gabriel_laddel: It seems like what you're getting at is that the correct order of affairs is to tackle zen first, and then CLIM?

00:54:33 mircea_popescu: phf there is no native lisp gfx engine ?

00:55:28 gabriel_laddel: Heh, define native.

00:55:42 mircea_popescu: "opengl implemented in lisp"

00:56:19 gabriel_laddel: No such thing.

00:56:26 mircea_popescu: ahahahaahah what

00:56:31 mircea_popescu: why the fuck not ?

00:56:41 mircea_popescu: no, let me rephrase that.

00:56:42 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: have you tried reading the OpenGL spec?

00:56:50 mircea_popescu: why not back in 1999 when opengl was not even taking over yet ?

00:57:01 mircea_popescu: im not the one that loves lisp.

00:57:07 mircea_popescu: but yes, i know.

00:57:11 phf: gabriel_laddel: i'm saying that it's only worthwhile to bring in zen if you want to ultimately do x11 support for foreign code. right now your problem is clim+xlib, you want your problem to be clim+xlib+zen+cl-opengl+glx. if the ultimate goal is drop x, then might as well try and retarget clim to framebuffer. the two (adding zen and framebuffer clim) or at 100% identical in the amount of effort

00:57:13 mircea_popescu: nevertheless...

00:57:32 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: they did. Symbolics.

00:57:36 gabriel_laddel: S-GRAPHICS

00:57:41 mircea_popescu: that wasn't opengl

00:57:48 gabriel_laddel: phf: ah.

00:58:10 gabriel_laddel: phf: Thanks.

00:59:35 phf: mircea_popescu: i think that there's a bunch of people trying to chuck moore their way out of "modern computing" here, as such there's not native anything

00:59:45 mircea_popescu: incidentally if things are this fucked up, the correct avenue would probably be to define a full gfx stack

01:00:00 phf: *people here

01:00:19 mircea_popescu: phf you mean in lisp ? or what here ?

01:00:32 phf: mircea_popescu: here as in in #b-a

01:00:57 mircea_popescu: i dun follow.

01:01:16 mircea_popescu: the lisp power rangers failed to lead the wave in implementing opengl correctly twenty years ago

01:01:19 mircea_popescu: because of what we do in ba ?!

01:01:50 phf: mircea_popescu: oh, no, that was the answer to "there is no native lisp gfx engine?"

01:02:05 mircea_popescu: there should have been long ago. wtf is this joek.

01:02:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9711 @ 0.00050556 = 4.9095 BTC [+]

01:04:05 mircea_popescu: what, all through 1995 - 2005 everyone "in lisp" sat around on their ass passing back and forth stories of how cool moon was in the 70s and how great gabriel's hairdo looks ?

01:04:09 phf: everything talks to xlib, win32, carbon/cocoa and on top of that to opengl, directx. there are parts of that stack implemented in lisp (either as clients or as hosts). there's no opengl in lisp, there's opengl client in lisp. there's both xlib client and server in lisp, etc. there's not enough lisp code to run the whole graphics stack from the lisp machine to the video card end to end

01:04:40 mircea_popescu: because lisp is so empowering and shit ?

01:06:08 phf: mircea_popescu: the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak?

01:06:48 mircea_popescu: yeah well... this logic is broken. so lisp is good because, and i quote, "Because Lisp, as a tool, is to the mind as the lever is to the arm. It amplifies your power and enables you to embark on projects beyond the scope of lesser languages like C. Writing in C is like building a mosaic out of lentils using a tweezer and glue. Lisp is like wielding an air gun with power and precision. It opens out whole kingdoms

01:06:48 mircea_popescu: shut to other programmers."

01:07:02 mircea_popescu: meanwhile... there is an implementation of particularly gnarly in c, but not in lisp.

01:07:09 mircea_popescu: are we in a singularity ?

01:07:28 mircea_popescu: and nobody seems to rub the lispers' face in this, either. what, there's some sort of chivalrous convention i don't know about going on ?

01:08:33 phf: mircea_popescu: oh they do, that's a common argument

01:08:37 mircea_popescu: "take your propeller-hat, your paranthesis and your spielhosen away from here and come back when you have a fully native gfx stack."

01:08:50 mircea_popescu: a ? i guess teh summarizer's been sparing me.

01:09:23 mircea_popescu: but what's the problem, anyway ? seems like this is an exact match for the argued strengths of lisp.

01:10:02 mircea_popescu: (note that i'm not discussing performance. i'm not going hey, why doesn't lisp-gl push out 2x the fps of directx in 2001. just, it should be abel to do it, at all.)

01:10:18 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: After SMBX died CL had to be re-implemented.

01:10:20 mircea_popescu: i can readily understand why the ~performance~ issue is a true quagmire.

01:10:52 gabriel_laddel: non-CL lispers by-and-large, fail to understand why they're using lisp at all.

01:11:09 mircea_popescu: how do you mean ?

01:13:03 gabriel_laddel: Some 'lisper' who 'gets it' will implement a 'lisp' on top of another system and declare that "for such and such political/business reasons, the system we're basing our lisp on won't change its foundations, and therefore we're safe to write code on top of it"

01:13:19 mircea_popescu: ...

01:13:24 gabriel_laddel: Then, inevitably, the foundations change.

01:14:54 gabriel_laddel: No lisper to date has produced a distro that DOES NOT CHANGE so one may use it as a platform for application development. Lisp solves a well-specified set of problems - ensuring that your algol reproducibly builds is not one of them.

01:16:14 gabriel_laddel: As for why a lisper didn't write his own OS from ASM? Well, you've read Stan's blog.

01:18:04 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368871 << this makes roughly as much sense as 'cobol in lisp'

01:18:04 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 00:55:42; mircea_popescu: "opengl implemented in lisp"

01:18:06 asciilifeform: yes, you could.

01:18:08 asciilifeform: but WHY?!!

01:18:12 mircea_popescu: !rate chetty 10 No longer with us, and not replaceable.

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01:18:38 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.chetty.10:e7478a460e183d3fe8a22a4aa41725df6b948a37e9a333aa5c13d44d44e3683a

01:18:39 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for chetty from 5 to 10 with note: No longer with us, and not replaceable.

01:18:43 asciilifeform: and opengl is a heathen thing anyway, because there is no documented gpu.

01:18:49 phf: mircea_popescu: there's a limited number of lispers and they all scratch their own itch. without centralized visions results barely compose. gabriel_laddel needs working clim for his projects. robert strandh only occasionally hacks on mcclim anymore, spends most of his time on n-th rewrite of emacs, etc. and of course there are arguments of what the components should be and how they should compose. the only common ground is the

01:18:49 phf: specification and some symbolics artifacts

01:19:27 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368884 << no shit, the braindamaged opengl thing had not been yet conceived of then

01:19:27 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 00:57:41; mircea_popescu: that wasn't opengl

01:19:58 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368888 << define away. who will produce ?

01:19:58 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 00:59:45; mircea_popescu: incidentally if things are this fucked up, the correct avenue would probably be to define a full gfx stack

01:21:30 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368893 << this is demonstrably false, and wtf, 'power rangers', smbx had a 100% lispified 3d accelerator in the '80s.

01:21:30 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:01:16; mircea_popescu: the lisp power rangers failed to lead the wave in implementing opengl correctly twenty years ago

01:22:05 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368898 << lisp in '95-05 is roughly where ru was in '90s - laments and vodka

01:22:05 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:04:05; mircea_popescu: what, all through 1995 - 2005 everyone "in lisp" sat around on their ass passing back and forth stories of how cool moon was in the 70s and how great gabriel's hairdo looks ?

01:22:09 asciilifeform: and could not have been anything else

01:22:45 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368904 << is the concept of impedance-mismatch-with-os unclear to mircea_popescu ?

01:22:45 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:07:02; mircea_popescu: meanwhile... there is an implementation of particularly gnarly in c, but not in lisp.

01:22:50 asciilifeform: do i have to chew it into small pieces ?

01:23:53 gabriel_laddel: Please, for the 100th time, go right on ahead.

01:24:02 gabriel_laddel: Why, stan, are threads a bad idea?

01:24:08 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368906 << forget gpu, there is not a usefully lispified driver for ANYTHING ELSE in x86 hardware ! and for reasons that have to do with how the idiot architecture is built (can i haz atomic lisp operation? no, because interrupts on x86. i wasted most of a decade on this)

01:24:08 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:07:28; mircea_popescu: and nobody seems to rub the lispers' face in this, either. what, there's some sort of chivalrous convention i don't know about going on ?

01:24:27 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368908 << 'give si fab and then we talk'

01:24:27 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:08:37; mircea_popescu: "take your propeller-hat, your paranthesis and your spielhosen away from here and come back when you have a fully native gfx stack."

01:25:27 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368919 << because there is no standard hardware platform.

01:25:27 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:14:54; gabriel_laddel: No lisper to date has produced a distro that DOES NOT CHANGE so one may use it as a platform for application development. Lisp solves a well-specified set of problems - ensuring that your algol reproducibly builds is not one of them.

01:25:37 asciilifeform: and no sign of such a thing being buildable

01:26:08 *: asciilifeform just notices:

01:26:13 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368925 << !!

01:26:13 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:18:12; mircea_popescu: !rate chetty 10 No longer with us, and not replaceable.

01:26:16 *: asciilifeform takes off hat

01:26:56 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368944 << i'll leave it to gabriel_laddel, adlai, et al, i've not the time or energy.

01:26:56 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:23:53; gabriel_laddel: Please, for the 100th time, go right on ahead.

01:28:32 phf: here's an s-graphics made animation instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdTGJChDKrM

01:28:33 assbot: CHARLES RANDALL - " The Minds Eye - # 7 " - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kcpb7f )

01:29:03 asciilifeform: phf: more famous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bTqWsVqyzE

01:29:04 assbot: Stanley & Stella in Breaking the Ice (1987) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kcpcbo )

01:29:54 asciilifeform: ^ and those swarms were properly computed, even

01:49:35 *: asciilifeform patiently waits for mircea_popescu post concerning http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368925

01:49:35 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:18:12; mircea_popescu: !rate chetty 10 No longer with us, and not replaceable.

02:13:41 asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368380 << makes sense, i suspected this

02:13:41 assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 18:41:01; kakobrekla: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/155WRJA.txt

02:13:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:16:01 kakobrekla: aha

02:28:25 mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski hey, got your msg. hit me up when you're around.

02:28:25 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:29:10 mod6: asciilifeform takes off hat << oh no!

03:10:35 deedbot-: [fraudsters] And now the story has an ending. - http://fraudsters.com/2016/and-now-the-story-has-an-ending/

03:22:22 kakobrekla: she will be missed

03:23:45 mod6: indeed

03:55:20 deedbot-: [Qntra] In Memoriam - http://qntra.net/2016/01/in-memoriam/

03:55:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25107 @ 0.00050692 = 12.7272 BTC [+] {3}

03:59:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00050779 = 9.9527 BTC [+] {2}

04:26:17 mircea_popescu: thanks.

05:09:12 *: BingoBoingo just successfully debuged clock-radio

05:10:32 BingoBoingo: turns out it was too close to transformer

05:35:28 BingoBoingo: In lighter news https://i.imgur.com/1k6zUyn.png

05:35:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL8AxS )

05:38:38 pete_dushenski: if that's light i dun wanna be heavy

05:48:15 BingoBoingo: lol pete_dushenski

05:52:29 pete_dushenski: anyone else sombrely, slowly reading through http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-01-12.log.html#t12:05:36 with (perhaps not so) strange solemnity ?

05:52:30 assbot: #Eulora log for Tuesday, 2016-01-12 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLa9fg )

05:53:26 pete_dushenski: rip chetty.

05:59:39 pete_dushenski: i guess the strange part is how unusual a window into the last few hours and minutes of a (really rather exceptional) human life it is, and how you'd never know unless you knew.

06:00:59 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368046 << writing's on the wall. has been for a while, i suppose. http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/05/yknow-that-post-industrial-service-economy-thing-ya-its-just-another-shitty-command-economy/

06:00:59 assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 13:36:21; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367861 << heh welcome to post-industrial society.

06:01:01 assbot: Y’know that post-industrial service economy thing ? Ya, it’s just another shitty command economy. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLaWg4 )

06:07:30 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368633 << i'm with kako. seems pretty unambiguous. what bc.i lists is what determines the outcome of https://bitbet.us/bet/1217/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-before/

06:07:30 assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 22:24:10; punkman: the main chain of blockhain.info. can be problematic if blockchain.info starts displaying both 1mb and >1mb chains concurrently

06:07:31 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase before July 2016 :: 0.94 B (31%) on Yes, 2.09 B (69%) on No | closing in 4 months 2 weeks | weight: 64`877 (100`000 to 2`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKkQi8 )

06:07:36 pete_dushenski: fwiw

06:08:18 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

06:08:19 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 427.64, Best ask: 428.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 427.84, 24 hour volume: 39860.64921575, 24 hour low: 416.0, 24 hour high: 449.98, 24 hour vwap: None

06:20:53 pete_dushenski: apparently usb drives still come formatted in 'fat' which doesn't seem to like files >12gb, apparently.

06:21:10 pete_dushenski: apparently !

06:21:43 pete_dushenski: 'journaled' seems to be the ticket.

06:22:04 pete_dushenski: can't say i've ever had to reformat a usb drive for that...

06:22:16 pete_dushenski: before the blockchain, that is

06:22:41 pete_dushenski: is there nothing bitcoin doesn't disrupt ?

06:29:50 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2015#1334322 << i did it again, didn't i... fuckin eh...

06:29:50 assbot: Logged on 30-11-2015 23:20:22; mircea_popescu: alternatively, all women are the same woman, eh pete_dushenski ?

06:32:31 pete_dushenski: oh, i see what happened now. nvm me...

06:38:21 pete_dushenski: https://bitbet.us/bet/1240/cardano-to-ship-before-xmas-2016/ << heh

06:38:21 assbot: BitBet - Cardano to Ship before Xmas 2016 :: 0.07 B (8%) on Yes, 0.76 B (92%) on No | closing in 10 months 3 weeks | weight: 99`845 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ohtget )

06:46:42 *: BingoBoingo is thankful St Louis finally got forked off of the NFL chain so we can be done with the Inglewood rams.

06:54:02 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: How much longer do you plan to be awake?

06:54:14 pete_dushenski: maybe an hour

06:54:50 BingoBoingo: Ah

06:55:24 *: BingoBoingo searching for an ulbricht appeal pdf that isn't locked into scribd

06:58:08 BingoBoingo: scribd breaks my gas mask

07:14:47 pete_dushenski: "Let me start with the economy, and a basic fact: the United States of America, right now, has the strongest, most durable economy in the world. We’re in the middle of the longest streak of private-sector job creation in history."

07:15:01 pete_dushenski: " The United States of America is the most powerful nation on Earth. Period. It’s not even close. We spend more on our military than the next eight nations combined."

07:15:48 copypaste: North Korea has the most powerful economy and army in the World, as measured by The People's Bureau of Statistics of North Korea.

07:15:52 copypaste: yawn

07:16:21 copypaste: "X is the best according to X"

07:16:47 copypaste: And now you realize that the speeches of American presidents are now informercials

07:16:47 pete_dushenski: "and since no one else spent usdollars, we spent the most usdollars! combined!"

07:17:06 pete_dushenski: (all but last quote via, yes, bahamas)

07:17:33 copypaste: I could tell without an attribution, it has his typical bravado backed by nothing

07:18:34 pete_dushenski: you know your muppets

07:18:51 deedbot-: [Qntra] Ulbricht Appellate Brief Filed - http://qntra.net/2016/01/ulbricht-appellate-brief-filed/

07:19:17 BingoBoingo: ty goes to pete_dushenski for gopping places my gas mask clog

07:20:29 pete_dushenski: i might not kill enough people around here, but i know how to handle myself in harsh environments

07:21:59 BingoBoingo: Diaper duty will do that I am told

07:22:33 pete_dushenski: quite so

07:31:00 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/01/two-us-navy-boats-and-ten-sailors-in-iranian-custody/#comment-39002

07:31:00 assbot: Two US Navy Boats And Ten Sailors In Iranian Custody | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2cotp )

07:33:17 pete_dushenski: is it just me or does joseph biden look an awful lot like karl lagerfeld with those high white dress shirt collars ? eg. http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Joe-Biden-or-Karl-Lagerfeld-.png

07:33:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2cyRi )

07:48:50 davout: pete_dushenski: there definitely is something

07:49:35 pete_dushenski: must be the angle

07:50:03 pete_dushenski: or that biden's 8 years older than the first time i saw him, that much closer to the senior mr. l

08:07:17 *: pete_dushenski on to the next one

08:32:06 adlai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1F65SGC.txt

08:32:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZsE95s )

08:32:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:34:59 *: adlai expresses solidarity in grief for a woman he never knew; "Poo-tee-weet?"

08:37:20 adlai: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368945 << if you have to ask, you've never https://archive.is/n0n34

08:37:20 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:24:02; gabriel_laddel: Why, stan, are threads a bad idea?

08:37:21 assbot: Matthew Veety on Twitter: "@maybekatz I've probs said this before but thank you for making chanl. It's the best thing ever." ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqmK2V )

08:37:21 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:40:57 *: adlai helps the literately-challenged members of the audience: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e3/e5/9e/e3e59e8e78957abcda2a7de317c8582f.jpg (now go read the remaining #'butlast pages, it's but a shingle shitting's worth)

08:40:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZsFwBc )

09:01:29 copypaste: Cryptsy just published a notice that it's been hacked on all pages https://archive.is/hxGqy

09:01:32 assbot: Cryptsy - Trade Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oqol8X )

09:01:42 adlai: what's cryptsy?

09:02:07 copypaste: Cryptsy is an exchange where you can trade real Bitcoins (and Pushcoins) for virtually any shitty coin imaginable, even those with no running clients.

09:03:07 copypaste: For example, Litecoins, "Stellar", Ethereum, and so on, but even far less known scams like "007coin" and "Aidencoin".

09:04:03 copypaste: In fact, I just added it up ( $('#leftbtclist>li').size() ) - you can trade 266 shitcoins on Cryptsy.

09:04:15 copypaste: Or at least in theory you could, before they "paused" everything a few hours ago.

09:08:08 adlai: !s sarchasm

09:08:09 assbot: 1 results for 'sarchasm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sarchasm

09:08:24 copypaste: hehehe

09:08:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3570 @ 0.0005053 = 1.8039 BTC [-]

09:09:32 *: adlai suddenly remembers MPExists, changes opinion re:tradespam, goes back to work

09:37:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5637 @ 0.0005053 = 2.8484 BTC [-]

09:59:46 jurov: sad news. but what a life!

10:02:08 jurov: and a lesson for me - i missed my best chance to meet chetty by being a wussie and not going a day sooner

10:04:30 jurov: (i went by train so no big deal)

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10:24:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8539 @ 0.00050835 = 4.3408 BTC [+] {2}

10:44:47 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b19

10:49:03 copypaste: ;;nethash

10:49:04 gribble: 886939250.494

10:53:58 jurov: ;;later tell davout maybe i'm blind but where's paymium api, like vwap?

10:53:58 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:56:59 jurov: advance.paymium.com does make recognizable calls like https://paymium.com//api/v1/data/eur/ticker but it's not clear whether it's daily vwap

10:57:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZkdemU )

11:02:13 jurov: And since I want to make an agreement with customers based on paymium price (instead of some wannabe indexes),

11:02:15 jurov: i'd like to see some public presentation of vwap for noobs, too, best with daily or hourly snapshot shown.

11:33:59 davout: jurov: vwap is 24h

11:34:45 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369075 <<< not exactly sure what you mean

11:34:45 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 11:02:15; jurov: i'd like to see some public presentation of vwap for noobs, too, best with daily or hourly snapshot shown.

11:35:57 jurov: when i will derive my price from paymium, is it possible to check that yesterday vwap was such and such?

11:48:25 davout: we don't archive it

11:48:53 davout: i'm busy integrating a brand new matching engine in our system, so that's the kind of feedback that's interesting for me

11:50:17 jurov: it would be very useful, thanks.

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12:24:38 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 6.26374519 BTC on 'No' - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype - http://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b10

12:24:38 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 9.99900000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b20

12:28:15 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski that's nice to know. thanks pete.

12:28:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:29:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368941 << you'll have to bear with me, my hair is pointy and my comprehension ponderous.

12:29:26 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:22:45; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368904 << is the concept of impedance-mismatch-with-os unclear to mircea_popescu ?

12:30:08 mircea_popescu: but you should both document that lost decade and provide pointers to check what others did against it.

12:36:22 davout: no more crypto for french hardware -> http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/amendements/3318/CION_LOIS/CL92.asp

12:36:22 assbot: Assemblée nationale ~ RÉPUBLIQUE NUMÉRIQUE(no 3318) - Amendement no 92 ... ( http://bit.ly/22Z6gZc )

12:36:35 davout: "Les constructeurs de matériel doivent prendre en compte dans leurs constructions la nécessité de donner aux forces de l’ordre, dans le cadre d’une enquête judiciaire et après autorisation d’un juge, l’accès aux matériels."

12:36:36 mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as french hardware ?!

12:37:14 davout: some women make my wares hard

12:37:19 mircea_popescu: lol

12:37:47 davout: and sometimes it's my hard wares that use the back doors

12:37:57 davout: enough of this

12:37:58 mircea_popescu: o la la

12:40:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369017 << "i am the most powerful mobster in nycity. i pay more in shakedowns than anyone else! and this'll last, too, because it's a stable sort of situation!"

12:40:48 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 07:15:01; pete_dushenski: " The United States of America is the most powerful nation on Earth. Period. It’s not even close. We spend more on our military than the next eight nations combined."

12:44:16 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369091 << guess he'll have to stop pgping on that minitel console...

12:44:16 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 12:36:22; davout: no more crypto for french hardware -> http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/amendements/3318/CION_LOIS/CL92.asp

12:44:21 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368052 << plant foreman generally works...at plant

12:44:21 assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 13:49:39; mircea_popescu: why even bother with the phone after that ?

12:45:02 mircea_popescu: so you're spending your youth, or at least every waking hour away from your child and his mother, to do things you wouldn't use on a platform you hate ?

12:45:08 mircea_popescu: do they have any words for insanity in your language ?

12:45:30 *: asciilifeform exists, possibly, to make ben_vulpes look sane

12:46:54 mircea_popescu: not to get facile over here or anything, but let me point out to you from bitter experience that there is generally less time than one'd reasonably have thought.

12:46:58 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369063 << ben_vulpes and i had the honour. we went for coffee, and chetty took us to a park on the outskirts of town where we fed little parrots

12:46:58 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 10:02:08; jurov: and a lesson for me - i missed my best chance to meet chetty by being a wussie and not going a day sooner

12:47:25 ben_vulpes: it was the most direct short on the startup market id found pre btc

12:47:34 mircea_popescu: i can see it ben_vulpes .

12:47:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im pretty sure jurov and chet met, i have this memory of hanging out and smoking.

12:51:01 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369090 << i've been doing this since '07, publicly. but as mircea_popescu points out, memento mori (tm), there is little time, and i have been doing other things

12:51:01 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 12:30:08; mircea_popescu: but you should both document that lost decade and provide pointers to check what others did against it.

12:51:05 ben_vulpes: furthermore, it is the only cashflow positive short against the startup market.

12:51:14 ben_vulpes: well, *a* cashflow positive one.

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12:52:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00050659 = 1.2918 BTC [-] {2}

12:53:51 *: asciilifeform off to spend every waking hour away from anything he cares about to make things he wouldn't use on a broken platform...

12:54:05 mircea_popescu: enjoy!

12:54:10 ben_vulpes: ganbatte

12:56:05 mircea_popescu: "Постарайся", именно в этой форме, а не "старайся".

12:57:26 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369054 << o shit, does this mean de gig is up ?

12:57:26 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 09:04:03; copypaste: In fact, I just added it up ( $('#leftbtclist>li').size() ) - you can trade 266 shitcoins on Cryptsy.

12:57:27 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:01:12 ben_vulpes: heh the lightly-salted bootstrap on bitcoinclassic is highly amuse

13:01:51 ben_vulpes: "seriously we am serious with very serious footer!"

13:03:02 mircea_popescu: serious (r) - i can't believe it's not seriouse!

13:03:07 mircea_popescu: !s seriouse

13:03:08 assbot: 1 results for 'seriouse' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=seriouse

13:03:35 mircea_popescu: hmm that's odd.

13:03:51 ben_vulpes: ;;seen thickasthieves

13:03:52 gribble: thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 10 weeks, 0 days, 21 hours, 47 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> but you da boss

13:04:35 ben_vulpes: the self-eulogies are funny too

13:04:42 ben_vulpes: ;;seen artifexd

13:04:42 gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 48 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.

13:05:11 ben_vulpes: ;;seen ninjashogun

13:05:11 gribble: ninjashogun was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 9 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 31 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <ninjashogun> I am only interested in building real-world businesses with real income streams, not taking bitcoin investments for something and running off iwth it. (Not referencing anyone here, this was a recent case with Moolah, for example. Or at least accusation.)

13:05:22 ben_vulpes: heh

13:10:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, that wasn't even the outskirts. kinda midtown, the park is two blocks down from chacarrita, the cemetery. she lived nearby. i have a place a good 6 miles further north, right on the province border. the town extends past that, arguably.

13:11:40 mircea_popescu: and it extends almost twice as far away from the port in the south -west than i nthe north. a town the size of a respectable country.

13:11:48 mircea_popescu: at least in europe, at any rate.

13:14:21 jurov: ;;seen chetty

13:14:22 gribble: chetty was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 1 day, 18 hours, 55 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <chetty> perhaps this will backlash into getting more people off windows ...nah, I dream

13:14:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369079 << you could play observer, sign and deed it. alternatively you could just archive.is, but i suspect that'll get gnarly.

13:14:24 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 11:35:57; jurov: when i will derive my price from paymium, is it possible to check that yesterday vwap was such and such?

13:14:44 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369131 << http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aindiancandy1+seri* ?

13:14:44 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 13:03:07; mircea_popescu: !s seriouse

13:14:45 assbot: 8 results for 'from:indiancandy1 seri*' - #bitcoin-assets search

13:15:06 mircea_popescu: oh darn. thx.

13:19:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00050836 = 7.8287 BTC [+]

13:22:01 *: adlai would calculate p-values but 'math is hard'

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13:24:52 jurov: http://thehardtimes.net/2016/01/11/emerging-harsh-noise-artist-revealed-as-faulty-air-conditioning-unit/ hahaha

13:24:53 assbot: Emerging Harsh Noise Artist Revealed To Be Faulty Air Conditioning Unit - The Hard Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcX1ZW )

13:25:44 jurov: "However, sources indicate future Decondtioned releases remain in doubt after Packard’s father upgraded the garage air conditioner to a brand new Amana “Whisper Quiet” unit."

13:27:00 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.29182984 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b17

13:35:28 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: rip chetty?!

13:35:37 mircea_popescu: myeah.

13:35:44 ben_vulpes: alas.

13:37:52 jurov: mircea_popescu: chetty was on second timisoara meeting, too?

13:37:57 shinohai: !s http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2441666/blackberry-pgp-handsets-cracked-by-dutch-cyber-cops

13:37:57 assbot: BlackBerry PGP handsets 'cracked' by Dutch cyber cops - IT News from V3.co.uk ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rlw6mk )

13:37:58 assbot: 0 results for 'http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2441666/blackberry-pgp-handsets-cracked-by-dutch-cyber-cops' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.v3.co.uk%2Fv3-uk%2Fnews%2F2441666%2Fblackberry-pgp-handsets-cracked-by-dutch-cyber-cops

13:38:33 mircea_popescu: jurov im pretty sure she showed up at least for some of the stuff.

13:39:17 jurov: because i'm sure i have missed eulora demo (again due to later arrival)

13:39:26 mircea_popescu: ah

13:39:50 mircea_popescu: but i recall us two discussing wao, for instance.

13:40:21 jurov: um, that is possible

13:40:51 mircea_popescu: an' therefore you must've met.

13:50:42 mircea_popescu: "I was fired. Sometimes you find it hard just not to cry. (Said employer purged its 20% insubordinate, belligerent, ingenious, and flat-out insane employees. What remained was loyal to a fault, perfect in execution, possessed of fine silk neckties, and unemployed 18 months later when the whole company folded.)"

13:50:50 mircea_popescu: lol hard to not appreciate teh mazepath.

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14:02:02 mircea_popescu: "Al, you simply must call Althea Frutex at Glanders, Associates. I FAXed her your resume and she practically jumped through the phone with enthusiasm."

14:02:03 mircea_popescu: "This is Dr. Frutex. Yes, I heard about you! Tell me, how would you generate a microdispersion of sodium diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate in a linear hydrophobic matrix synthesized below its glass transition temperature?"

14:02:03 mircea_popescu: "That should not be difficult. Use attrition technology developed for cobalt-cemented tungsten carbide and substitute about 10 mole-% of high molecular weight PVK to adsorb upon the micaceous platelet crystal surfaces. Thus when you add the dispersed phase to a pre-polymer syrup of about 50,000 centistokes viscosity, non-Fickian Type II diffusion will volumetrically plasticize the adsorbate preventing particle agglomer

14:02:07 mircea_popescu: ation."

14:02:09 mircea_popescu: "Why Mr. Schwartz, that is brilliant! We have no staff positions open at this time, but we will certainly try your idea."

14:02:12 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

14:02:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ! why is this guy not here!

14:02:17 mircea_popescu: WHAT IS WITH PEOPLE!

14:03:18 mircea_popescu: the difference between the kids of today and the kids of back when it was worth meeting new kids... s/lfkdjgkjlewrhgkerhklgj/diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate/

14:03:24 mircea_popescu: guy actually knows wtf he's talking about.

14:07:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00050836 = 4.1177 BTC [+]

14:16:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00050212 = 9.3394 BTC [-] {5}

14:47:58 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b67

14:51:41 shinohai: http://thenextweb.com/us/2016/01/13/us-intelligence-boss-james-clappers-phone-and-personal-email-were-hacked/ <<< cracka strikes again

14:51:42 assbot: US intelligence boss phone and personal email were hacked ... ( http://bit.ly/1SOwHfU )

14:56:18 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin main net block size to increase before July 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1217/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-before/#b8

15:08:01 thestringpuller: asciilifeform off to spend every waking hour away from anything he cares about to make things he wouldn't use on a broken platform... << i'm going to use this to define "uranium mines" to people

15:19:10 thestringpuller: ;;nethash

15:19:11 gribble: 886485320.427

15:29:14 thestringpuller: ;;calc ( (416666666.667 / 1000 / 1000) / 4.6 ) * 1800

15:29:15 gribble: 163043.478261

15:29:26 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

15:29:27 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.76, Best ask: 428.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 428.95, 24 hour volume: 40576.26464751, 24 hour low: 416.0, 24 hour high: 448.1, 24 hour vwap: None

15:29:41 thestringpuller: ;;calc 163043.478261 / 428.76

15:29:42 gribble: 380.267464924

15:29:58 thestringpuller: ^- estimated btc for 0.5% of hashpower

15:42:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11090 @ 0.00050836 = 5.6377 BTC [+]

15:48:36 thestringpuller: however it looks like no new miner could break even at current prices. (Break even in: infinity days)

15:56:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00050836 = 1.5759 BTC [+]

16:09:07 mircea_popescu: retail is for suckers.

16:09:36 mircea_popescu: "The scientist who receives a percentage of the profits - a percentage of the gross! - generated by his own work has yet to be born, hired, or envisioned (ecept as the punchline of a joke)." << heh, alf's been making 70% of the gross for years now.

16:13:01 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag

16:13:45 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369206 << l0l, he did say 'as the punchline..' !11

16:13:45 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 16:09:36; mircea_popescu: "The scientist who receives a percentage of the profits - a percentage of the gross! - generated by his own work has yet to be born, hired, or envisioned (ecept as the punchline of a joke)." << heh, alf's been making 70% of the gross for years now.

16:14:11 mircea_popescu: ...

16:14:21 mircea_popescu: you'll have to decide if you want those salesmen networking or not.

16:15:24 mircea_popescu: what's with all these confused broads posing for dating site profile pics WITH THEIR MOTHER.

16:16:01 mircea_popescu: insufficiently humiliated girlhood births monsters.

16:19:16 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369182 << he eventually wrote back, promised to generate pgp key, when finds the time...

16:19:16 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 14:02:14; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ! why is this guy not here!

16:19:34 ascii_butugychag: i think he took a look at the logs and was not able to readily distinguish us from the chirp of the frogs.

16:19:52 ascii_butugychag: a problem i had when first showed up, like, i suspect, many folk

16:20:07 mircea_popescu: i guess so, huh.

16:20:20 ascii_butugychag: as, possibly, taleb, et al

16:20:23 mircea_popescu: "this, too, shall pass."

16:20:29 ascii_butugychag: old timers are especially allergic to real-time anything

16:20:37 ascii_butugychag: i was sorta on the cusp of this.

16:21:03 mircea_popescu: "Uncle Al's next first job, four years later, was industrial. Uncle Al was to isolate kerogen (the "not anything like oil") in Colorado oil shale (a calcareous marlstone, not shale). Low rank coal organics are like cured epoxy. They ain't comin' out. The literature was rife with researchers who tortured oil shale then sang like vultures about presumed stuff extracted. Uncle Al dissolved the rock to leave the kerogen. (

16:21:03 mircea_popescu: "Orthogonal reactivity" to folks in lab coats, "idiot idea" to idiots in suits.) It was his first Personnel file Pink sheet! He wasn't supposed to succeed."

16:21:09 mircea_popescu: reads like the fucking soviets.

16:21:31 mircea_popescu: this isn't really real-time. this is "alligned apperture time".

16:21:34 mircea_popescu: or rather, allignable.

16:21:39 ascii_butugychag: and yes, it shall pass, and with it shall pass the last folks who know how to generate a microdispersion of sodium diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate...

16:23:33 mircea_popescu: "The next first job was creating ophthalmic implants. How is a 5 micron diameter hole drilled through 500 microns of implantable Plexiglas contact lens? It isn't. Nothing can drill such a 100:1 aspect ratio hole. Uncle Al put about 500 7 micron diameter holes through a foot-long Plexiglas rod, the long way, and said "dice it." Holes are a stuff problem, science: vacuum cast glass wool in plastic, dice, then dissolve ou

16:23:34 mircea_popescu: t with aqueous NH4HF2. Engineering diddles things: computers, excimer lasers, and business lunches. It was a Pink solution."

16:23:40 mircea_popescu: ok this is what sheer genius is.

16:23:47 mircea_popescu: "turn the fucking spoon around, idjits"

16:24:10 ascii_butugychag: its straight out of altshuller's book

16:24:16 ascii_butugychag: i once sent al a scan, he appreciated.

16:24:46 ascii_butugychag: !s suddenly the inventor

16:24:47 assbot: 5 results for 'suddenly the inventor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=suddenly+the+inventor

16:24:59 ascii_butugychag: thing had whole chapter on inversions

16:28:26 mircea_popescu: inversion being possibly the most important intellectual activity.

16:28:51 mircea_popescu: half the time when someone talking to me here suddenly gets that sinking feeling in his gut and rug flies out from under feet, what had just happened was precisely an inversion.

16:29:42 mircea_popescu: the other possibly most important intellectual activity is ironically ALSO displayed in the piece : classification

16:29:51 mircea_popescu: "this is a that. that is a this. stop mixing this and that idjits!"

16:30:46 ascii_butugychag: 'suddenly the inventor appeared' is the only actually worthwhile book on heuristics i know of.

16:30:58 ascii_butugychag: i was given it as a small child

16:39:53 mircea_popescu: having run some math... i suspect he is actually correct in the absolute. ie, nothing can for physical reasons drill 5 micron holes in half micrometer lens.

16:40:22 mircea_popescu: make it a few mm squared and you can etch, yes. but...

16:40:55 ascii_butugychag: this is well-known

16:41:01 ascii_butugychag: which is why, e.g., syringe needles, are drawn

16:41:16 mircea_popescu: well im not in fine mfging what can i sya

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16:51:55 mircea_popescu: Do opposite shoes vacuum free fall nonidentically? << they do, actually.

16:52:05 mircea_popescu: difference in angular gravitational momentum

16:52:47 mircea_popescu: i suppose by "vacuum" one might mean "in the book universe where mass exists in points etc".

16:54:03 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag

16:54:13 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: this was the eotvos thing

16:54:15 ascii_butugychag: !s eotvos

16:54:16 assbot: 21 results for 'eotvos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eotvos

16:54:23 mircea_popescu: meanwhile i noticed the image aha

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16:59:44 BingoBoingo: <copypaste> Cryptsy just published a notice that it's been hacked on all pages https://archive.is/hxGqy << Scammer's don't get to pick their narrative

16:59:50 assbot: Cryptsy - Trade Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oqol8X )

17:06:34 mircea_popescu: "Economists do the economy as psychologists do the mind. A watershed of data is statistically manipulated. Miserably intricate deeply parameterized speculative theory is fit to data, protected from criticism by complexity. Extrapolations are made. Official predictions are absurd versus observed reality. Economists scream "heteroskedasticity!" and demand multi-$trillion Federal bailouts. Psychologists disdain irrelevanc

17:06:35 mircea_popescu: e in a discipline that is self-defined relevant."

17:06:53 mircea_popescu: myeah. the "global warming" bullshit is merely the more visible application of an otherwise historical pseudoscientific process

17:07:52 mircea_popescu: !up paparazzi

17:09:11 paparazzi: hello

17:09:50 paparazzi: !up

17:10:32 thestringpuller: !gettrust paparazzi

17:10:32 assbot: paparazzi is not registered in WoT.

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17:11:20 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: arguably same process as lysenko

17:11:24 paparazzi: I am still confused

17:11:34 ascii_butugychag: (and not, as often supposed, medieval theology - as it did not have totalitarian apparatus attached)

17:11:38 mircea_popescu: hardly. lysenko had... passion. these twerps just talk about it.

17:12:01 ascii_butugychag: the 1960s enviro-whiners who started the current wave, also had 'passion'

17:12:06 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone saw "the witches of eastwick" ? yet another of nicholson's signature porn stuff.

17:12:07 ascii_butugychag: modern enforcers do not, and need not

17:13:20 mircea_popescu: the man started in "the raven" and has been doing the same thing ever since : playing the devilishly dangerous lone male in a world of boring, twaddled middle aged women.

17:14:00 mircea_popescu: goes nicely with the valium for the worthless female subculture of the 80s. sort-of like stoner movies, for a different holstein.

17:14:55 trinque: paparazzi: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

17:14:57 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o )

17:16:03 mircea_popescu: "Thermodynamics proposes, kinetics disposes." ahahaha lovely put.

17:17:00 ascii_butugychag: 'first ecstacy - then laundry.' -- also al

17:17:07 mircea_popescu: nah that's much older.

17:17:15 mircea_popescu: incidentally, you read this bit with the crystals ? behold!

17:17:29 mircea_popescu: "Memory cannot be found because it is not localized, nor does it exist as such. One felicitous memory model is the amorphous glassy metal alloy Ce3Al. Melt-spun alloy passes all local and global tests (HRTEM, ED, XRD, 2D XRD) for random order. Load a diamond anvil cell with a 50x40x15 micron3 sample. At 3,539,000 psi it remains amorphous. At 3,626,000 psi it is a single crystal. Science 332(6036) 1404 (2011), "Long-ran

17:17:29 mircea_popescu: ge topological order in metallic glasses."

17:17:29 mircea_popescu: Devitrifying a glass into crystals is wholly unremarkable. Given the opportunity, solids will descend into their lowest energy state at equilibrium - a crystal. This offers large families of glass-ceramic wonder materials, plus sporadic glassblower loud profanity. That glasses exist at all is also unremarkable. Thermodynamics proposes, kinetics disposes. The problem is scale.

17:17:34 mircea_popescu: Atomic bonding does its thing at a scale of angstrom lengths. A 50x40x15 micron sample is (5x105)x(4x105)x(1.5x105) angstroms3 or 3x1016 ?3. How does random structure spontaneously quickly order in a discontinuous transition to sharp diffraction lines (XRD) and spots (2D XRD), with such mammoth amplification? There is no global information! Thermal devitrification at 200?C affords a hexagonal symmetry finely polycrys

17:17:38 mircea_popescu: talline product not a face-centered cubic single crystal.

17:17:41 mircea_popescu: The noise that was observed as random structure was not itself random. It contained topological order, a universal scale-free recipe for fitting together. Supercomputer simulation of 24,000 cerium atoms plus 8000 aluminum atoms with or without the topological footnote added is enlightening. Plot respective structure factors against the reciprocal space vector for each case. The curves are identical! Where is the inform

17:17:46 mircea_popescu: ation? It is everywhere, but in no particular place."

17:17:55 mircea_popescu: methinks the real meta-nsa might well be santa claus1

17:18:01 mircea_popescu: have you been good alfie ?

17:18:06 ascii_butugychag: horrid

17:18:13 mircea_popescu: well...

17:18:22 ascii_butugychag: !s roboclaus

17:18:22 assbot: 0 results for 'roboclaus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=roboclaus

17:18:27 ascii_butugychag: ;;google roboclaus

17:18:28 gribble: Mrazek shows off RoboClaus, Howard rocks 'ugly sweater' on great ...: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/mrazek-shows-off-roboclaus-howard-rocks-ugly-sweater-on-great-holiday-masks/; Robo Claus - Thomas Radcliffe: http://tomradcliffeart.com/130031/1287869/portfolio/robo-claus; Robot Santa Claus - Futurama Wiki - Wikia: http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Robot_Santa_Claus

17:18:35 mircea_popescu: honestly, i always suspected randomness is not merely "not a property of numbers", but altogether not a thing.

17:18:47 mircea_popescu: this is the view say danielpbarron would be held to hold anyway.

17:18:58 ascii_butugychag: it is a thing in the sense that 'enemy' is a thing

17:19:06 mircea_popescu: and no further sense than that.

17:19:20 ascii_butugychag: fortunately we don't need the other senses for anything

17:19:27 ascii_butugychag: at least ~i~ don't

17:19:29 mircea_popescu: whoever sits closer to the rng in the sky prints all the money.

17:19:55 mircea_popescu: at any rate this has been in fact the history of life on earth to date.

17:20:37 mircea_popescu: "a universal scale-free recipe for fitting together" << and yet he hates obama.

17:21:23 ascii_butugychag: l0l

17:21:46 mircea_popescu: obviously, not altogether for the reasons the idiots who are incapable to love anything like to pretend those who could love don't.

17:22:06 ascii_butugychag: http://tryacl2.org << unrelated, but very nifty.

17:22:18 ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes, adlai, phf, gabriel_laddel, et al ^

17:23:17 mircea_popescu: takes 4eva to load

17:23:42 ascii_butugychag: i think it just now choked

17:23:52 ascii_butugychag: damn.

17:24:13 ascii_butugychag: my 'midas touch'...

17:25:31 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag

17:26:27 ascii_butugychag: apparently amd actually started proving their alu with acl2, in reaction to the intel fdiv scandal

17:26:46 ascii_butugychag: back in the day.

17:26:59 mircea_popescu: yup

17:28:28 ascii_butugychag: (note that the proofs don't need to be about a commonlisp program per se, but anything that can be expressed as one)

17:30:46 mircea_popescu: "Genrich Altshuller, TRIZ, And Suddenly the Inventor Appeared. Orthodoxy excludes discovery. Heterodox observation falsifies assumed knowledge. Validation studies are bottle washing and button sorting. All discovery is insubordination. Management exists to kill the future, for the only trusted employee is one whose sole marketable asset is loyalty." << o look even mentions him.

17:31:06 mircea_popescu: but the management dig is, if perhaps justified by personal experience, nevertheless on the level of "all men are pigs".

17:31:16 mircea_popescu: what does it say of you, that only pigs wish to sleep with you ?

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17:34:28 mircea_popescu: "Hippies' marijuana and hallucinogens had interesting outputs; slums' opiates, crack, and crystal meth less so." << yeah, because you apriorily decided you wish to fuck a hippie chick not a filipina brothel slave. that's all.

17:35:35 ascii_butugychag: what's she output?

17:35:43 mircea_popescu: moans. just like the other.

17:35:59 ascii_butugychag: the other outputs also other things

17:36:04 mircea_popescu: not so.

17:36:11 ascii_butugychag: theorems

17:36:14 ascii_butugychag: etc

17:36:20 mircea_popescu: name a hippie theoremist.

17:36:24 ascii_butugychag: or what, this only happens on my planet

17:36:31 mircea_popescu: what, we're going to have a franklin vs baez dispute now ?

17:36:38 ascii_butugychag: i can't name a philipina moanist, either..

17:37:08 mircea_popescu: yes, you can, because you've seen her in jackie brown.

17:37:15 *: ascii_butugychag hasn't

17:38:00 mircea_popescu: what do you think pam grier did with her youth, pre tarantino travolting her career ?

17:38:37 *: ascii_butugychag recognized only one name in this sentence, tarantino

17:38:39 mircea_popescu: oh, not seen the big bird cage either ?

17:38:42 ascii_butugychag: nope

17:38:54 mircea_popescu: yes. well...

17:38:55 ascii_butugychag: hard to do, at the bottom of a mine shaft

17:39:21 mircea_popescu: how about "women in cages" ? guy ended up obsessed with the closing shot

17:39:39 ascii_butugychag: nein

17:40:18 mircea_popescu: well, they're 10 cents a pop since teh torrents, seeing how they weren't made by dosney.

17:46:05 phf: my condolences, mp

17:49:03 mircea_popescu: thanks.

17:49:47 mircea_popescu: cancer taking the first bite off the lordship list, more fodder for the list of things no one could have predicted.

17:56:39 thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag

18:00:28 *: ascii_butugychag vaguely recalls an obituaty of some #b-a old-timer in... 2012 ?

18:00:37 ascii_butugychag: *obituary

18:00:55 ascii_butugychag: somebody from the old era

18:04:47 BingoBoingo: First woman on the internet's already gone, to cancer of all things.

18:10:12 ascii_butugychag: what just happened ?

18:12:02 BingoBoingo: !up X16a

18:12:17 BingoBoingo: No idea. buch of K-lines

18:18:53 copypaste: ascii_butugychag: looks like some IRCop accidentally K-lined all of IRCCloud

18:19:22 copypaste: Which is a web service that allows people to connect to IRC, similar to CGI:IRC and qwebirc

18:19:37 copypaste: But IRCCloud comes with USG spying and allows you to idle.

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18:49:23 mats: copypaste: yes but did you see irccloud evade my kline?

18:53:27 mats: i didn't expect my client to do that.

18:55:48 copypaste: mats: I'm of the opinion that any service that offers to idle on IRC for you exists for the sole purpose of spying on you

18:56:06 copypaste: And in the case of IRCCloud, is probably a USG front. So of course connecting at all costs is important.

18:56:18 copypaste: (It's also possible that the IRCop made a mistake and removed the KLine.)

18:57:24 mats: irc surveillance is very low on my list of priorities

18:58:00 copypaste: What's low on your list of priorities is probably high on your government's

18:58:11 mats: good

18:58:21 adlai: freenode exists for the purpose of spying, what more do you need?

18:58:27 copypaste: ^

18:59:20 mats: I hope the agents will enjoy reading years of trolling and arguments about trivial shit

18:59:36 adlai: "if it's not encrypted, it's public" is an excellent way to treat anything (even off the internet)

18:59:38 copypaste: Well, if that's all you do on IRC you're using it wrong

18:59:51 copypaste: I've conducted deals worth tens of thousands of dollars on IRC

18:59:58 copypaste: So speak for yourself.

19:00:05 mats: I mostly use it to connect to freenode graybeards

19:00:20 adlai: copypaste: do you also sell btc while waiting in line at starbucks?

19:00:31 copypaste: hahaha, no. I don't drink that crap.

19:00:34 adlai: or maybe at least get a table

19:00:44 copypaste: I imagine most of us conduct or have conducted business on IRC

19:01:10 adlai: !s dpaste.org

19:01:11 assbot: 0 results for 'dpaste.org' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dpaste.org

19:01:17 mats: can pass gpg messages, sir

19:01:29 *: adlai apparently can't, oh well

19:01:44 mats: like folks do, with dpaste

19:02:23 adlai: if you're worried about metadata, encrypt your trolling or start a shill or two, it pays for itself in elizatherapy

19:05:14 phf: irc messages go over a loose knit federated system that's entirely outside of your control. even if you do dcc it's plaintext on the wire

19:06:33 phf: copypaste: the fact that your "tens of thousands of dollars" deals have not been compromised is entirely due to "uncatchable joe" factor. is russian joke, "this there is uncatchable joe. -- woah, nobody can catch him? -- no, nobody cares to"

19:12:13 copypaste: phf: :D

19:12:19 copypaste: O

19:12:32 copypaste: I'm not saying they were illegal, was just demonstrating that IRC isn't just for trolling

19:19:53 shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo #VanillaISIS goes actual ISIS: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/isis-supporter-joins-ammon-bundys-armed-occupation-as-resident-computer-expert/

19:19:54 assbot: ISIS supporter joins Ammon Bundy’s armed occupation as resident computer expert ... ( http://bit.ly/22ZRB01 )

19:19:54 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:21:14 adlai: shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-12-2015#1346910

19:21:14 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 22:48:39; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell adlai too late. If you want a beat you can't just mention diff increase in chan without dropping an encrypted dpaste full of qntra submission.

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20:43:48 thestringpuller: !up Quent

20:44:20 Quent: thanks - looks like la serene republic finds itself between a rock and a hard place

20:44:28 Quent: 2mb fork one one hand SW on the other

20:44:49 thestringpuller: you can always choose C. the world isn't necessarily always binary.

20:44:59 Quent: will you go for cover which allows you independence? or visibility which means certain invasion?

20:45:23 thestringpuller: this is all in the logs.

20:45:24 Quent: it is very binary unfortunately, in this space anyway

20:45:48 Quent: you see what theymos is doing - you see what centralisation does

20:45:54 Quent: all that applies to the real world...

20:46:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00050004 = 7.1506 BTC [+] {3}

20:46:27 thestringpuller: Theymos is a known scammer.

20:46:34 thestringpuller: !gettrust assbot theymos

20:46:34 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user theymos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=theymos | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/theymos/

20:46:59 Quent: my point is the masters of real world can bring their hammer down

20:47:07 Quent: if we dont play smart

20:47:16 Quent: they did it to 3-gol or whatever it was

20:47:18 Quent: e-gold*

20:47:44 Quent: you kids can say your shit in your corners

20:47:52 thestringpuller: !gettrust Quent

20:47:52 assbot: Quent is not registered in WoT.

20:47:54 Quent: but without the grown ups covering your shit......

20:48:04 Quent: you become exposed

20:48:10 thestringpuller: you aren't even in WoT

20:48:10 Quent: that's what some are agitating for

20:48:19 Quent: and provoking

20:48:34 Quent: they want the, from the masses view, extrimists to prevail...

20:48:41 Quent: so that the whole thing can be dismissed

20:48:50 Quent: we offer cover for your little corner

20:49:02 Quent: thats realism kids

20:49:30 thestringpuller: okay how about you lurk some more >> http://fraudsters.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ when you do come back and discuss

20:51:44 Quent: nah, I've said too much already

20:51:48 Quent: your choice

20:51:57 Quent: oh... well... you hardly have a choice to make lol

21:04:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8760 @ 0.00049812 = 4.3635 BTC [-] {4}

21:05:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6640 @ 0.00049626 = 3.2952 BTC [-]

21:07:21 trinque: "that's what 'some' are"

21:07:26 trinque: "I've said too much"

21:07:35 trinque: wtf is this, an action movie?

21:08:09 trinque: Quent: why did the masters of the universe permit you to divulge such privileged information?

21:08:39 trinque: WHO SENT YOU. WHOOOO

21:08:53 Quent: lmao

21:09:08 Quent: good to see the paranoid head pops up first ahaha

21:09:22 Quent: omg he *could* be an alien ahaha

21:09:30 Quent: anyway

21:09:34 Quent: I have a suggestion

21:09:41 Quent: how about you guys stay out of this?

21:09:48 Quent: you in between a rock and a hardplace

21:09:53 Quent: no choice you can make is good

21:09:55 Quent: so...

21:10:03 trinque: !down Quent

21:21:31 shinohai: da fuq? lol

21:23:56 shinohai: yess sah massa Quentin, we gon' stay out of it.

21:24:18 thestringpuller: guy is worse than mr. spam.

21:26:30 shinohai: Heh France. And he comes asking #b-a to surrender .....

21:30:26 thestringpuller: I'm actually in favor of them attempting a hard fork cause it provides war profiteering opportunities.

21:31:12 shinohai: ^

21:33:57 thestringpuller: then the guy goes off in PM how trinque censored him, when literally none of the lines he said had any value. it's like a hobo wandering in talking craziness...

21:36:49 shinohai: Must be e reddit person if he cries censorship. Those are the only ppl I know that do.

21:41:32 trinque: "just wants to" feel important

21:45:25 thestringpuller: that's how jgarzik amounted to not much at all. at least at red hat he was doing _something_

21:45:49 thestringpuller: now all he does is posts on twitter and jumps from startup to startup

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22:14:35 BingoBoingo: !up ThomasV

22:20:35 jurov: accept the unspecified protection of our nebulous entity or else!

22:25:10 jurov: ummm... between cock and hard place

22:32:58 BingoBoingo: What was that fraudsters about the cock eating rock?

22:33:38 shinohai: ;;gettrust lrvick

22:33:39 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user shinohai to user lrvick: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=shinohai&dest=lrvick | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lrvick | Rated since: Mon Jun 27 14:19:15 2011

22:38:14 deedbot-: [Qntra] Coindesk Acquired By Silbert Group - http://qntra.net/2016/01/coindesk-acquired-by-silbert-group/

22:38:15 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ^ winning

22:38:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:35:33 hdbuck: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195.msg1613#msg1613

23:35:34 assbot: Transactions and Scripts: DUP HASH160 ... EQUALVERIFY CHECKSIG ... ( http://bit.ly/201aTzK )

23:38:51 hdbuck: for the records.

23:40:55 mircea_popescu: hdbuck aha.

23:41:05 mircea_popescu: but this was back before.

23:45:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369354 << who was this ?

23:45:24 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 18:00:55; ascii_butugychag: somebody from the old era

23:47:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369382 << standard here seems to be dpaste, actually.

23:47:16 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 19:00:44; copypaste: I imagine most of us conduct or have conducted business on IRC

23:48:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369389 << this is both why this channel is logged publicly and why the whole "oh herp derp published logs are unexpected" bloviation of EVERY OTHER irc channel is so funny.

23:48:35 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 19:05:14; phf: irc messages go over a loose knit federated system that's entirely outside of your control. even if you do dcc it's plaintext on the wire

23:49:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369395 << wtf is this, for alfie, with love ? :D

23:49:19 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 19:19:54; assbot: ISIS supporter joins Ammon Bundy’s armed occupation as resident computer expert ... ( http://bit.ly/22ZRB01 )

23:50:50 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller wouldja stop upping this quent derp already. it's like reading vexual-on-stupid-drugs.

23:52:16 thestringpuller: yea. my b. i'm too nice.

23:53:04 mircea_popescu: dat feeling when random idiot used to derp in fraudsters comments FIVE YEARS AGO comes back. same ip. same derpage. time stood still.

23:53:14 mircea_popescu: how do they do this ?

23:54:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369468 << lol. all paper deal, too, i bet.

23:54:52 assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 22:38:14; deedbot-: [Qntra] Coindesk Acquired By Silbert Group - http://qntra.net/2016/01/coindesk-acquired-by-silbert-group/

23:55:28 mircea_popescu: hey "coinbase" - most LOSERS manage a better acquihire after FIVE YEARS. grow beards already, start entertaining at the metro let out.

23:57:06 mircea_popescu: so hanbot is working out. she's on one of those balls. i go "hey... silbert picks up coinbase in all-paper acquihire". she starts laughing. she can't stop laughing. eventually she lets out "that entire work-out... just warm-up for this laugh."

23:59:57 kakobrekla: you mean coindesk