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00:00:02 jurov: i stand corrected

00:00:03 BingoBoingo: jurov: As a courtesy I refer to American football as handegg

00:00:06 davout: helmets are for faggots

00:00:09 pankkake: it's not the same

00:00:10 pankkake: exactly

00:00:12 pankkake: no protection

00:00:22 davout: on concrete

00:00:25 pankkake: :D

00:00:28 davout: only in winter

00:00:29 BingoBoingo: By football I mean the game with the kicking and skinny latinos

00:00:47 jurov: and theatrical injuries

00:00:56 jurov: and false rape claims

00:01:46 jurov: er, no... pilots do that when hit by lasers, not footballers

00:01:51 davout: funnily enough i calculated recently that when I solo-mined back in 2010 I was unknowingly making more money than most pro soccer stars

00:02:08 davout: jurov: pilolz

00:02:21 mircea_popescu: jurov wait someone raped a soccer dood ?

00:02:45 jurov: certainly. but nobody is allowed to know

00:02:57 davout: mircea_popescu: yes the french govt by imposing this 75% income tax on high salaries

00:03:12 pankkake: is that why monaco is doing so well this year?

00:03:20 pankkake: I haven't followed the details

00:03:27 davout: pankkake: i don't really follow soccer

00:03:38 mircea_popescu: davout that's not rape, that's citizensheep

00:04:01 davout: mircea_popescu: explain the difference

00:04:04 pankkake: yup Monaco does not pay the 75% tax: http://www.lefigaro.fr/sport-business/2013/12/13/20006-20131213ARTFIG00394-l-as-monaco-n-echappera-pas-a-la-taxe-a-75.php

00:04:04 pankkake: uh

00:04:04 pankkake: wrong

00:04:15 pankkake: well, it does, the URL is wrong

00:04:25 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=461080.0

00:04:26 davout: no the URL says "n'échappera pas"

00:04:27 ozbot: [Cryptostocks]CFBTC - Crypto Fund BTCless seems CS/the issuer did a misstake

00:04:32 mircea_popescu: "It seems like neither Cryptostocks or the issuer behind this have the time to read throu the contracts before they publish it these days, "

00:04:37 pankkake: but the title say it escapes :)

00:04:39 davout: pankkake: oh wait

00:04:48 pankkake: confusing!

00:04:57 davout: pankkake: you're right

00:05:17 mircea_popescu: that's a new angle : if you read the stuff crypto-whatever wannabe exchange publishes, you're roughly in the same set with idiots and grannies that still read the spam emails they get, tune in for cnbc newscasts etc

00:05:34 pankkake: so monaco has no 75% tax. Monaco is now 2nd in the Ligue 1 http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/ligue-1-classement.html

00:05:36 davout: funny you mention that,

00:06:02 davout: i happen to have a nigerian uncle that's in urgent need of 5 BTC to unlock the last presidents inheritance

00:07:14 davout: I've always wanted to try to reverse-scam these guys, sadly gmail has a good spam filter

00:07:49 BingoBoingo: davout: It isn't gmail. I'm finding there are generally just less spam emails in general these days

00:08:12 deadweasel: i've marked every havelock email ever as spam, yet it still shows up.

00:08:14 mircea_popescu: impudent cocklets moved on to greener pastures.

00:08:25 davout: "oh sure, I'll send you these $3000 to pay attorney fees to unlock the prince's inheritance, if you could just western union me a couple hundred bucks so i can fix my bike to get to the bank"

00:08:35 pankkake: light greylisting removed most of my spam

00:08:47 pankkake: so only crappy botnets still spam :p

00:08:56 davout: BingoBoingo: yeah, I think so too

00:09:42 BingoBoingo: davout: I imagine the answer is not less botnets and spammers, but more lite/doge miners and captcha solving occupying their time now.

00:10:20 davout: that sounds like a sensible explanation

00:10:52 mircea_popescu: " Le ministre d?l?gu? au Budget"

00:10:58 mircea_popescu: check out the shit france has.

00:11:01 BingoBoingo: I mean spam doesn't even pretend to offer a return ever. Solving captchas though offers some satoshis every nao and then.

00:11:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00087193 = 15.6075 BTC [+] {3}

00:11:55 jurov: BingoBoingo: that's very interesting view of *coin faucets

00:12:33 jurov: that they are useful to drain unqualified cheap workforce pool

00:13:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 218753 @ 0.00013144 = 28.7529 BTC [-] {21}

00:13:22 davout: mircea_popescu: no no, that's actually ok, we have a "Ministre du redressement productif" can you fucking believe it ?

00:13:41 davout: incidentally it's the same guy that believes the EUR is too strong

00:13:44 BingoBoingo: jurov: Well I mean there is substantial overlap in that most spammers are kids and most faucet users are kids. Sure there are spammers occasionally who make something through spam, but generally they are people who can find new networks (MySpace, Facebook, Linkedin) to spam before their game gets stale and the money goes missing

00:14:02 pankkake: Ministère de la Réforme de l'État, de la Décentralisation et de la Fonction Publique

00:14:07 pankkake: decentralisation !

00:14:08 mircea_popescu: davout do you have une ministresse du denuement productif aussi ?

00:14:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30565 @ 0.00010595 = 3.2384 BTC [-] {20}

00:14:21 davout: mircea_popescu: i think you meant dénudement

00:14:36 jurov: Fleur Pellerin,

00:14:37 jurov: ministre déléguée auprès du ministre du redressement productif,

00:14:38 mircea_popescu: fuck that, nue but denudement

00:14:38 davout: denuement means poverty

00:14:41 mircea_popescu: wtf is with this language.

00:15:09 mircea_popescu: ;;google fille nue

00:15:10 gribble: Gta5 fille nue - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dixngfh3Fs; Fille Nue - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63yLejbMxD0; Fille nue qui se fait surprendre par son père devant sa webcam ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwH86AQpXNo

00:15:20 mircea_popescu: yeah them bitches look poor

00:19:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00087061 = 32.1255 BTC [-] {2}

00:21:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-]

00:21:35 TestingUnoDosTre: can bitcoin drop like a rock so I can drop some fiat?

00:22:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 120000 @ 0.00004717 = 5.6604 BTC [-] {58}

00:23:58 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/kiriakou-14-0202.pdf

00:28:13 benkay: death to the tyrant

00:28:33 benkay: cascadia now

00:29:11 pankkake: does the cascadian movement produce anything besides weird music?

00:29:41 benkay: there is no movement.

00:30:02 benkay: except maybe the one i left in the toilet this morning - now that was impressive.

00:30:08 mircea_popescu: lots of cooties infections ?

00:30:39 benkay: ?

00:31:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2563 @ 0.00010003 = 0.2564 BTC [+] {2}

00:31:57 mircea_popescu: the cascadian movement produced weird music and a lot of new lice infections.

00:32:14 mircea_popescu: you know, from all the free sex going out in the free country.

00:32:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17073 @ 0.00010002 = 1.7076 BTC [-] {5}

00:32:35 pankkake: sex is probably too mainstream for them

00:33:09 mircea_popescu: there is that.

00:33:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2299 @ 0.00010001 = 0.2299 BTC [-] {2}

00:33:35 mircea_popescu: ever since it became small in japan sex is pretty much doomed huh.

00:34:19 pankkake: http://coinmarketcap.com/ dogecoin now number 4

00:34:40 benkay: for clarity - there is no movement.

00:34:53 punkman: wink wink

00:34:57 mircea_popescu: after alt ?!

00:35:16 mircea_popescu: benkay you can not pull the wool over our eyes sir, we know all about it said he knowingly.

00:35:38 mircea_popescu: pankkake ahaha ripples #2 ? dude get out of here with this bs,

00:35:50 mircea_popescu: ripple total net worth is about -$400

00:36:08 pankkake: last trade * total units. like mpoe :)

00:36:21 benkay: that list is better regarded as "how much money this ccoin has sucked out of fiat"

00:36:27 mircea_popescu: mpoe actually stands for something.

00:36:50 mircea_popescu: benkay except not in a million years has ripple done anything of the sort lol

00:37:02 benkay: repression of the people, iirc.

00:37:09 benkay: 'my feeelingsssss'

00:37:18 mircea_popescu: Sexcoin $ 539,512

00:37:21 mircea_popescu: gimme a break.

00:37:37 benkay: well of course it couldn't possibly account for slippage

00:37:41 mircea_popescu: LottoCoin $ 710,196

00:37:43 benkay: that'd entail knowing what slippage *is*

00:37:46 pankkake: ripple was hidden on coinmarketcap, showing it by default is probably going to be its demise

00:37:52 mircea_popescu: seriously ? that amply exposed scamcoin is worth dough ?

00:38:01 benkay: good luck selling any.

00:38:12 punkman: oh CMC now has two pages of coins

00:38:15 mircea_popescu: Bitgem $ 246,833

00:38:32 mircea_popescu: dude check it out lol. i wonder what all the people with jobs must be thinking

00:38:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

00:38:40 mircea_popescu: when you could just make a gem and buy a house

00:38:43 Shakespeare: so if ATC is .00000529

00:38:50 Shakespeare: then we're almost at $1m

00:38:55 mircea_popescu: CraftCoin $ 56,614

00:38:55 Shakespeare: for all the coins ever

00:39:28 pankkake: ;;calc 16763*512*.00000529

00:39:29 gribble: 45.40225024

00:39:34 mircea_popescu: anyway, the btc is 8bn out of a 10bn market story depicted there is off.

00:39:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.5711792 = 28.559 BTC [+] {16}

00:39:44 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is 99.98% of a whatever it is market.

00:39:57 TestingUnoDosTre: junkcoin $328,000

00:40:02 asciilifeform: unless i'm missing something, no cryptocoin actually 'sucks money out of fiat'

00:40:19 asciilifeform: unless, of course, it is generated via a 'proof of incinerated fiat bills' (serial #s?)

00:40:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he meant "sucks moneyness out of fiat competitors"

00:40:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.58499996 = 6.435 BTC [+]

00:40:42 punkman: if you have proof of incinerated bills you can get them replaced

00:40:43 mircea_popescu: fun fact : destroying fiat bills has no destructive effect on fiat.

00:40:49 mircea_popescu: it's merely a transfer towards the issuer.

00:40:50 asciilifeform: quite the opposite

00:41:16 mircea_popescu: well technically bills these days are more expensive to make than their face value, so it is a sort of pillage

00:41:17 TestingUnoDosTre: wait what?

00:41:19 Shakespeare: "Please provide a URL that shows the total number of coins in real time."

00:41:26 Shakespeare: thats what coinmarketcap wants

00:41:34 Shakespeare: as part of listing requirements

00:41:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 881 @ 0.00087011 = 0.7666 BTC [-]

00:41:51 mircea_popescu: and basically you could put whatever in there

00:41:51 asciilifeform: benjamin costs >100 usd to make?

00:41:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most bills are 20s

00:42:05 asciilifeform: and they cost >20?

00:42:06 pankkake: they support openex?

00:42:12 Shakespeare: dunno

00:42:14 Shakespeare: i can try

00:42:17 Shakespeare: but need url

00:42:18 mircea_popescu: cause of all the security elements asciilifeform

00:42:23 mircea_popescu: the only way to keep people from counterfitting them

00:42:29 pankkake: I mean, I would suppose the biggest hurdle is having an exchange

00:42:32 mircea_popescu: is to make the production process cost more than the nominal value

00:42:37 mircea_popescu: and i do mean MAKE

00:42:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58945588 = 10.0207 BTC [+] {4}

00:42:48 pankkake: number of coins, I can write a page in ~10 mins

00:43:07 mircea_popescu: pankkake can you also write an irc bot so we can set the number of coins arbitrarily /

00:43:11 asciilifeform: last i checked, usd are built substantially below cost at proper national mints 'after hours' (e.g. NK)

00:43:18 TestingUnoDosTre: Im not entirely convinved

00:43:29 pankkake: I still haven't found why that irc bot lib does not reconnect

00:43:47 pankkake: well, the answer I got was "the maintainer is an arrogant fool"

00:43:52 mircea_popescu: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-100-bill-costs-60-more-to-produce-2013-10-08

00:43:54 mircea_popescu: nm, i eat cocks.

00:44:00 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1611293/plain/)

00:44:00 pankkake: !b 1

00:44:33 asciilifeform: i won't be surprised if paper money eventually gets active silicon in it

00:44:56 pankkake: how anonymous is cash?

00:45:14 pankkake: if you get cash out of an ATM, can it be tracked further?

00:45:18 Shakespeare: that's how USD gets value, cost to print it

00:45:31 asciilifeform: pankkake: if someone cares to.

00:45:41 Shakespeare: also USD is not inflationary

00:45:41 punkman: maybe the next gen of fake bill scanners will OCR the serial numbers

00:45:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+]

00:45:48 Shakespeare: there is a fnite amount

00:45:51 Shakespeare: just dunno what yet

00:46:00 Shakespeare: still mining it

00:46:03 benkay: buuuuwaaaaaaat

00:46:07 asciilifeform: Shakespeare: Hilbert's Hotel.

00:46:39 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456252.msg5043968#msg5043968

00:46:42 mircea_popescu: check out that title.

00:46:55 mircea_popescu: "World's Leader in Financial Cryptocurrency Contracts IPOs"

00:47:26 TestingUnoDosTre: TFA said 12 cents to produce a $100 USD bill

00:48:14 asciilifeform: punkman: national mints are doomed to reinvent the blockchain. that is, if anti-counterfeiting were an actual thing, instead of a psychological 'security theatre.'

00:48:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am blown away that most us bills arent counterfeit atm.

00:48:50 Shakespeare: Announcing New Exotic Ways to Be Scammed

00:48:52 mircea_popescu: srsly, it costs 12 cents to make them and the world isn't awash in fakes ? just... how.

00:49:19 Shakespeare: Hilbert's hotel makes no sense to me

00:49:25 Shakespeare: all the rooms are full, end of story

00:49:34 asciilifeform: electric theft involves considerably less physical labour.

00:49:44 asciilifeform: (e.g. 'carding')

00:50:06 asciilifeform: when you counterfeit paper, some poor schmuck is stuck with the job of 'passing' it

00:50:07 punkman: for or all we know, we are awash in fakes

00:50:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but carding is hip.

00:50:40 benkay: another conspiracy theory to hasten the demise of the tyrant

00:50:45 mircea_popescu: generally speaking you're best served by going the other way

00:50:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.0008701 = 7.2218 BTC [-] {2}

00:50:52 asciilifeform: the rarity of phony bills is purely an ROI issue.

00:51:03 benkay: "90% of your 20s are made in NK"

00:51:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for that matter, the carded amount has to be gotten out of the bank

00:51:31 TestingUnoDosTre: what is this carding you speak of?

00:51:33 mircea_popescu: there's really no difference

00:51:58 asciilifeform: 'carders' traditionally sell the stolen credentials for (pennies on the dollar) 'clean' money

00:51:59 Shakespeare: pankkake if you write that code to spit out total current ATC, i can add it to the home page... assuming it's as simple as that

00:52:04 asciilifeform: to those who can process them industrially.

00:52:24 asciilifeform: using tame banks.

00:52:24 mircea_popescu: so then there's exactly no difference.

00:52:24 pankkake: it's not that simple, you need a running node and update script

00:52:38 mircea_popescu: those who make bills also sell them for pennies on the dollar to those who have the means to pass them

00:53:02 mircea_popescu: pankkake Shakespeare just write an interpolation script by time

00:53:03 pankkake: so I can host it on my server, but you can't really make calls from server to server that easily

00:53:10 asciilifeform: correct. except that bills have to move physically. this is expensive.

00:53:20 mircea_popescu: nobody cares, nobody checks, the bitcoin algo is quite efficient at stabilizing issuance in spite of hash volatility

00:53:26 mircea_popescu: adjust it once a month or w/e

00:53:40 pankkake: actually… does your hosting allow php or something?

00:53:45 Shakespeare: yes

00:53:51 Shakespeare: i have it on namecheap

00:54:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not THAT expensive or else amazon'd be out of business.

00:54:04 asciilifeform: 'carding' as we know it is actually a creature of u.s. and british banks. which profit from it.

00:54:15 pankkake: ok, cool, writing now

00:54:19 mircea_popescu: how do banks profit from carding ?

00:54:23 asciilifeform: 'chargebacks', issued when fraud is discovered, are plucked out of merchants.

00:54:30 asciilifeform: they eat the loss, plus a penalty fee.

00:55:31 mircea_popescu: but that'd be visa and mastercard

00:55:34 mircea_popescu: wich aren't banks

00:55:39 asciilifeform: ah, yes.

00:56:22 asciilifeform: they're 'banks' in the medieval sense, one could say. but, sure.

00:56:26 mircea_popescu: anyway, it's more complicated than that. if you think paypal is paying anyone anything when it gets chargebacked...

00:56:53 asciilifeform: the merchant loses whatever $ was stolen, plus some.

00:56:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1623 @ 0.00014476 = 0.2349 BTC [+] {3}

00:56:58 mircea_popescu: small time merchants with a shop or w/e are being reamed, but that doesn't really show in the bottom line

00:57:12 mircea_popescu: large merchants are immune to chargebacks.

00:57:34 mircea_popescu: (actually some strategic large merchants get paid to use cards on a regular basis

00:57:46 mircea_popescu: it used to be 8% in romania for a while, until the card people finally gave up_

00:57:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3748 @ 0.00014498 = 0.5434 BTC [+] {2}

00:58:05 punkman: the chargeback fines are paid to whoever is processing the merchant's transactions

00:58:05 asciilifeform: yeah, it would be quite surprising if 'amazon' were reamed to the same depth as a corner shop.

00:58:17 punkman: not Visa/Mastercard

00:58:37 mircea_popescu: Visa processes, what are you talking about ?

00:59:28 punkman: Visa fines the processors too, but on a different scale

01:00:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.16550606 BTC to 321`963 shares, 362 satoshi per share

01:00:26 asciilifeform: fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.)

01:00:27 punkman: mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquiring_bank

01:02:37 asciilifeform: instead, we see expensive (active silicon) but deliberately-porous crap, e.g. british 'chip&pin.'

01:03:36 decimation: I strongly suspect that Costco is paid by American Express to accept Amex cards only

01:04:51 asciilifeform: incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response (as appears to be the plan) - every ATM becomes a btc-ATM.

01:05:07 asciilifeform: (i could draw a picture of why, but i'll leave it as an exercise for the alert reader.)

01:05:36 decimation: Ascii does an RFID card exist which implements RSA?

01:06:00 asciilifeform: decimation: probably. but not economically.

01:06:26 asciilifeform: one important fact is that u.s. card issuers love sending 'spam cards' via mail

01:06:32 decimation: It seems obvious that some sort of portable public key device is the solution for secure finance

01:06:47 asciilifeform: these folks are not interested in securing anything aside from themselves.

01:07:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12592 @ 0.00087086 = 10.9659 BTC [+]

01:07:11 decimation: No, it's depressing. Who is the greater criminal? The carder or the banks who enable him?

01:08:07 asciilifeform: i (and millions of others) get spam cards in the mail. anyone who can discover some very accessible biographical data can activate said card, should he break the mailbox, and borrow $.

01:08:25 asciilifeform: then 'prove you're not a camel.'

01:08:48 pankkake: banks sue people who explain how easy carding is

01:09:15 asciilifeform: so rsa card would have to somehow cost less than the customary plastic turd, for them to even consider it.

01:09:20 asciilifeform: (how?)

01:10:12 pankkake: "Serge Humpich is a person who discovered a serious flaw in the Carte Bleue system used in France for credit cards. He was convicted in 2000 to a ten months suspended sentence. He was 36 at the time, and lost his job as a result of the case."

01:10:24 asciilifeform: these are a dime a dozen.

01:10:46 asciilifeform: like the british folks who were jailed for refusing to pay fraudulent charges on their accounts.

01:11:16 herbijudlestoids: hullo kids

01:11:18 asciilifeform: (at one time, and perhaps still, the courts there presumed guilt on the part of the complaining card holder)

01:12:11 mircea_popescu: punkman " Visa and MasterCard levy fines against acquiring banks that retain merchants with high chargeback frequency. "

01:12:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 7.41147624 BTC to 19`467 shares, 38072 satoshi per share

01:12:19 asciilifeform: pankkake: take-home lesson - found a hole? sell it to spammers and stfu. play your part in the food chain.

01:12:21 mircea_popescu: seems that your link supports the notion it is indeed visa fining.

01:13:15 punkman: when the merchant pays $30 to the processing bank, they don't turn around and give it to visa

01:13:23 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response << even if it has a challenge system, if it's made by the bank ppl... heh. glwt.

01:13:58 mircea_popescu: o look, it's a herbijudlestoids

01:14:20 asciilifeform: btc <-> the code. code -> rfid emitter.

01:14:20 decimation: The greater criminal is the fiat central planners who enable the whole system

01:15:02 mircea_popescu: decimation so basically all crime stems from the existence of the state.

01:15:03 herbijudlestoids: i been sick as a fucken dog

01:15:09 herbijudlestoids: no work done this week :(

01:15:15 herbijudlestoids: on the plus side, i own ~200 ATC

01:15:16 mircea_popescu: we thought you were butthurt as a fucken interneteer

01:15:35 herbijudlestoids: im riech biech

01:15:42 asciilifeform: prediction: at some point ATMs will require the user to stuff his hand in a 'monkey trap.' if the transaction is deemed 'suspicious', the clamps close.

01:15:45 decimation: well, if you believe mancur olson the state are the stationary bandits who have grown fat and lazy

01:15:52 mircea_popescu: http://www.parodie.com/english/smartcard.htm < why is this named parodie.com

01:16:28 asciilifeform: 'suspicious,' naturally, will mean that the heuristic suspects the luser of operating a (btc market, etc) card spoofer.

01:16:42 decimation: ascii, it would seem foolish to have an RFID with no challenge; as you point out it would make carding even simpler

01:16:53 asciilifeform: and yet it is SOP now.

01:16:57 asciilifeform: most of the new cards have it.

01:17:10 asciilifeform: electromagnetic pickpockets are already busy.

01:17:37 decimation: There is talk amoung the elites in the us that there will be a push toward 'chip&pin'

01:17:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and consequently making an android masturbator will be illegal because it could be used to plug the claw ?

01:18:04 asciilifeform: something like that.

01:18:12 asciilifeform: 'circumvention device !1!!'

01:18:15 mircea_popescu: yeah, i see great future for the fiat system.

01:19:18 decimation: As Mr. Yarvin points out, post-fiat dollars will still have some value as "federal brownie points"

01:19:44 mircea_popescu: confederate money still have some value.

01:20:21 decimation: it will be a long time before states give up on the fiat fantasy - even while everyone is banking ducats

01:20:45 herbijudlestoids: just going through the log

01:20:57 herbijudlestoids: isnt the number of altcoins simply block height * 512?

01:21:09 mircea_popescu: yes it is.

01:21:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00086959 = 23.4789 BTC [-] {2}

01:21:40 mike_c: for now. once we get that cointerra hardware on the network the halving will happen soon.

01:21:56 asciilifeform: http://books.google.com/books?id=wdN0AQAAQBAJ&pg=PT26&dq=kerensky

01:22:18 herbijudlestoids: so all we need for the realtime thingy is someone running altcoind and a webserver essentially?

01:22:19 mircea_popescu: decimation it's not even a fantasy. has plenty of actual usecases.

01:22:36 mircea_popescu: "good for one fuck" nudie party tokens.

01:22:48 herbijudlestoids: here is some MPOE data, almost 1000 ticks in my sample finally.... http://imgur.com/46vH0ZV,6sbysnV,6nw9ZRM,sU2iaNQ price, vols, distribution of 20TickRet, DPO

01:22:54 mircea_popescu: "good for one spin" casino chips

01:22:54 mircea_popescu: etc

01:23:07 kakobrekla: i think you can use blockr api for altcoin

01:23:51 decimation: sure; the fantasy is that fiat will hold value at its quantity approaches infinity

01:24:01 mircea_popescu: a, that.

01:24:41 mircea_popescu: pretty cool.

01:24:42 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: lets say i place a huge at market MPOE buy order into the book and it clears the book for like twenty levels. what price does assbot report the tick completing at?

01:24:57 mircea_popescu: vwap

01:25:18 herbijudlestoids: so my tick chart looks a little funny cos of that i guess

01:25:22 decimation: I have a small collection of Weimar Marks

01:25:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00569804 = 0.5698 BTC [+] {5}

01:26:14 mircea_popescu: funny how ?

01:26:22 herbijudlestoids: its got that huge gap

01:26:44 herbijudlestoids: also i was looking at (what i assume is the daily) chart of MPOE on mpex.co

01:27:18 herbijudlestoids: definitely some of those bars look like someone clearing the book and then retail nublets executing much smaller orders at market after the book is cleared

01:27:59 decimation: ascii the disadvantages gold has are advantages for bitcoin

01:28:18 asciilifeform: "You should hold on to some cash, for purely didactic purposes. I remember my great-grandmother, who passed away when I was seven, and I remember playing with her little hoard of kerenki - ruble notes in ridiculously high yet worthless denominations that had been issued by the Russian Provisional Government, under the leadership of Prime Minister Alexander Kerensky... ... I was quite taken with the ten-thousand

01:28:18 asciilifeform: -ruble note, which seemed like a lot of money to me at the time, and was very surprised to hear that it was completely worthless and that I could take one and use it as a bookmark (which I did). It was not until the 1990s that Russia again issued a note in that denomination, which likewise became worthless soon after it was printed."

01:28:48 decimation: indeed, I have a 100,000 mark note

01:29:17 decimation: it's a useful conversation stopper for anyone who thinks fiat is a great long-term savings vehicle

01:29:45 BingoBoingo: I wonder what part Hearn might have had in transaction malleability suddely becoming a problem

01:30:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00086796 = 28.9031 BTC [-] {4}

01:31:06 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids yeah that's prolly because your dataset only has one drop

01:31:58 asciilifeform: "... And so, you too should hold on to a few dollar, or euro, or ruble or yuan notes, in the highest denominations available at the time they all become worthless, as a keepsake. Then you will be able to show them to your great-grandchildren and say, 'Can you imagine, this ugly piece of paper was once a prized possession!' And your great-grandchildren will no doubt think that you are a little bit senile, but th

01:31:58 asciilifeform: en they will probably think that anyway, because by then you probably will be. But it certainly won't be helpful to hold on to multiple shoeboxes full of old currency, because then your great-grandchildren will think that you are in fact insane, because no sane person would be hoarding such trash. It is important that they don't think that, because the lesson is an important one: chances are that during their l

01:31:58 asciilifeform: ifetimes some tin-pot pseudo-nationalist leader will print up ugly slips of paper with pictures of dead people, Masonic symbols and big numbers, and attempt to charge people for using them as a medium of exchange in all transactions, and your great-grandchildren need to know, from an early age, that it is a scam. It is an official scvam, backed up by the threat of violence, but it is still a scam."

01:32:40 decimation: it's the biggest scam going

01:34:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo inasmuch as it's mostly a reddit driven "omg we're retarded" panic, i doubt anyhing at all.

01:34:48 decimation: One must wonder, if each country in the world is truly soveirgn, why hasn't it occured to any of them to reinstate the gold standard?

01:34:49 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: not sure if the netsplit caused my bot to miss any ticks, but otherwise cant think of any reason why it would only have one

01:35:17 asciilifeform: i (and countless other people) got a boyhood education in fiat. when my folks were packing for the u.s., i traded in a shoebox full of rubles for $1.

01:35:39 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, after the great fork of 11 months ago a blaming Hearn because redditards suck at picking primary key values for databases seems reasonable. (I mean both "crises" are essentially database problems)

01:35:42 asciilifeform: for the $1, bought a keychain in a 'dollar store' when we landed. still got it.

01:35:45 mircea_popescu: decimation but it has. romania for instance is on the gold standard.

01:36:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well sure, but the differences are more marked than the similarities.

01:37:11 decimation: I thought they were already on the euro - good for them if they have avoided it so far

01:37:45 mircea_popescu: nah, the local cb guy nixed the euro long ago, much to everyone's wtfitude. turns out he was right.

01:37:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, that depends. 11 months ago there was a ridiculously central database derpocolypse. Nao there is a more subtle derpocolypse that doesn't seem as critical, but happens to hammer the fiat/BTC interface players hard while actual BTC cared about working too much to make those mistakes.

01:38:05 mircea_popescu: romania has since been stockpiling gold, it holds more per capita than most countries, and it enjoys the advantages

01:38:22 mircea_popescu: (for instance, the leu is worth in dollars/euros/whatever else exactly as much as romania says it is worth)

01:38:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe we're not talking about the same thing. what exactly is "hammering the fiat/btc" interface ?

01:38:56 decimation: well that makes their state funded gold mine even more retarded

01:38:59 asciilifeform: "To this day pots of late-Roman gold are periodically dug up in England during excavations of Roman villas; the residents of these villas were unable to derive any benefit from their hoards as their empire collapsed and the Dark Age closed in around them." (further from herr Orlov)

01:39:16 mircea_popescu: decimation except it wouldn't be state funded.

01:39:33 mircea_popescu: it'd be "private", as in romanian govt gives to some random third party the place and gets in exchange some nothing at all.

01:39:51 decimation: ok; that's even worse

01:40:02 mircea_popescu: well yes.

01:40:10 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Rendering the Gox and Stamp, two cans and a string exchanges with these corrected transactions (corrected because leading zeros in signatures suck).

01:40:20 decimation: why not declare the whole thing part of the romanian central bank to be mined an paid when it advantages Romania?

01:40:21 mircea_popescu: it's one of those "hey, let you give us free money" deals a la coinbase.

01:40:34 mircea_popescu: decimation i was under the impression i had said exactly that :D

01:40:51 decimation: Indeed.

01:41:01 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know that a) gox is lieing about it being a problem and b) all the other scammers happy to follow suit

01:41:06 mircea_popescu: because hey, it's a golden opportunity.

01:41:49 benkay: plus the moles might get to slip some bullshit into the newer client protocol

01:41:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. And should they weather this storm to scam again, the retardedness of their excuse makes their herp all the more evident.

01:41:55 mircea_popescu: plus that.

01:42:07 asciilifeform: i still predict that gox et al will eventually 'repay' the chumps in a scamcoin minted for the purpose.

01:42:13 decimation: Is there a coherent analysis of this supposed transaction problem somewhere?

01:42:19 mircea_popescu: decimation nope.

01:42:30 mircea_popescu: but you should write it, save me the trouble.

01:42:45 decimation: You also said in the past that the 'dev team' ought to write a complete api/interface spec

01:42:52 BingoBoingo: decimation: I've been drafting one this week. Dunno if I will get techincal enough for you decimation

01:43:08 BingoBoingo: decimation: No mircea_popescu Wants a spec.

01:43:15 mircea_popescu: decimation i merely observed that whoever is doing that is the dev team

01:43:32 mircea_popescu: and anyone else claiming to be the dev team is roughly in the position of various people on the forum claiming to be financiers.

01:43:33 decimation: well, something is better than nothing. It sucks to wade through crap cpp code to find out how something works

01:43:33 BingoBoingo: AH, sorry eye lag, vodka

01:44:05 BingoBoingo: decimation: The thing is this problem nao isn't in the BTC code at all.

01:44:17 BingoBoingo: At least not as I understand problem and BTC code

01:45:09 BingoBoingo: As I understand the narrative, this is a n00bier database problem than 11 months ago.

01:47:01 benkay: decimation: are you interested in working on a BNF rendering of the bitcoin network protocol?

01:47:06 BingoBoingo: The problem is Derp php coders making website.

01:47:18 benkay: hey BingoBoingo you stop talking shit on PHP okay?

01:47:33 benkay: it stands for Professional Hardcore Programmers for a reason, mang.

01:47:46 BingoBoingo: benkay: PHP is great for what it does well.

01:47:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 16 @ 0.07793684 = 1.247 BTC [+] {6}

01:47:59 decimation: I don't have expertise in that; I'm better at dsp code

01:48:33 benkay: nor do i, but it's clearly the right thing to do and an extremely useful tool to know (BNF, that is)

01:49:02 benkay: besides

01:49:02 pankkake: Pee Hash Pee


01:50:39 mircea_popescu: derp.

01:50:58 decimation: after reading enough of the loper blog I'm beginning to fantasize about bitcoin written in forth

01:51:12 mircea_popescu: start small, do it in 3rd first.

01:51:19 benkay: herp.

01:51:23 decimation: heh

01:51:36 benkay: lisp zeroth

01:51:47 benkay: decimation if you like forth you'll love green arrays

01:51:48 benkay: http://www.greenarraychips.com/

01:52:15 decimation: I played around with the javascript forth interpreter here: http://www.forthfreak.net/jsforth.html

01:52:38 decimation: I fondly recall my hp-48 RPN programming in my youth

01:52:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7949 @ 0.00086721 = 6.8935 BTC [-]

01:53:02 benkay: baw haw haw javascript anything i cry

01:53:33 decimation: yeah the concept of forth on javascript is hilarious, but it's a fun toy

01:54:14 decimation: I saw that greenarrays stuff

01:54:29 BingoBoingo: An interesting contest might be to see who can develop a cryptocurrency incorporating features agreed to be essential to bitcoin in the least amount of code (self contained so any calls that would be to external libraries have to be brought in)

01:55:17 decimation: ideally - reduce it down to a credit card form factor

01:55:22 mircea_popescu: before yo ucan do that yotu need a protocol.

01:55:57 decimation: true. so many interesting advancements must wait for a well-documented spec

01:56:45 mircea_popescu: decimation as a point of strategy, the would-be dev team power ranges may be foolish, but they're useful fools.

01:56:54 BingoBoingo: Making a minimal functional client for the purposes of documenting a spec might make a rather ultimate battlegound in the C vs. LISP wars

01:57:13 mircea_popescu: a shoddy bitcoin #1 is actually quite useful, you can have bitcoin #2 all prepared in the background.

01:57:18 pankkake: I'll just do "import bitcoin" in Python, a la https://xkcd.com/353/

01:57:40 Azelphur: Python programmer as day job, can confirm.

01:58:07 benkay: if i might offer a different perspective, there are several disparate concerns that could be tackled independently and independent of language wars.

01:58:27 mircea_popescu: benkay by thinking people.

01:58:36 benkay: there's the network client, the thing responsible for connecting to the bitcoin/litecoin/altcoin network downloading blocks and broadcasting txns

01:59:01 benkay: and then there's blockchain validation

01:59:18 decimation: these can and ought to be split into modules

01:59:24 pankkake: http://protocoin.readthedocs.org/

01:59:31 benkay: indeed

02:00:02 benkay: (outta my face - where's the source?!?!)

02:00:05 benkay: in any event

02:00:13 mircea_popescu: http://xkcd.com/276/

02:00:55 herbijudlestoids: @276

02:01:03 benkay: i believe (and i'm open to suggestions and corrections from those wiser and more experienced than myself) that the appropriate implementation path for both the blockchain validatoin and the network client is a state machine describing the valid states of the validator and network client respectively, the messages they can process and what states those messages kick each machine into

02:01:44 benkay: what's more, a state machine approach satisfies the "spec" that mircea_popescu has been going on for lo these many forevers

02:01:52 mircea_popescu: sounds about right.

02:02:05 benkay: it's a formal definition of bitcoin, as opposed to the ad-hoc cpp hairball-as-canonical-thinger

02:03:02 benkay: or it would be if anyone would write it

02:03:49 BingoBoingo: Archival fail, or why paper doesn't make the best "paper" wallets http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2014/2/12/mold-destroys-600000-library-books/

02:03:54 mike_c: it's not clicking why a state machine would make it great.

02:04:01 decimation: yeah that sounds legit. I wish the same brain who invented bitcoin were around to help perfect it.

02:05:05 mike_c: what are a couple states the machine would pass through? I don't see it.

02:05:22 mike_c: take the blockchain validator for instance.

02:05:36 benkay: i'd rather take the network client actually

02:06:07 benkay: state: init

02:06:18 benkay: transition to state: exchange version messages

02:06:41 mircea_popescu: decimation ever heard of decentralisation ? :D

02:07:01 benkay: transition to state: getblocks | state: getaddrs

02:07:29 mike_c: yeah, so, i believe all the hairiness would be in implementing what goes on in those states anyway. i'm not sure structuring the high level stuff around states would neccesarily make it much cleaner.

02:07:30 BingoBoingo: Someone found a pricing error: Basketball SE Missouri State 70 Tenn Martin 79 Tenn Martin ML 2 hours ago 7.060 / +606 ฿ 0.005 ฿ 0.0303 paid

02:07:59 mircea_popescu: mike_c what'd be the alternative ?

02:09:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00012542 = 1.1288 BTC [-] {8}

02:09:44 mike_c: it being a state machine is an implementation detail. a definition and spec would make the world better.

02:10:27 mircea_popescu: the wet being water isn't an implementation detail, is it ?

02:11:16 mircea_popescu: it's a state machine whether we know/admit/notice this or not.

02:11:32 benkay: ^^

02:12:10 mike_c: any program can be thought of that way.

02:12:31 benkay: and maybe most should?

02:12:32 mike_c: it's the definiton & spec of what goes on in those states that is more needed.

02:13:30 benkay: the english definition's been written by those who are capable of writing english definitions and not state machines, and its time for someone to write the state machine

02:13:37 benkay: 'cause WHOOO BOY have you read the textual spec?

02:14:03 mike_c: so a UML diagram helps? I don't think it does.

02:14:32 benkay: mike_c: you can compile a formally defined state machine into a parser in the language of your choice. it's not an academic exercise.

02:14:44 92AAAD6TI: are you saying that a graph is defined by how its nodes are labeled and not their relationships?

02:14:55 mike_c: yes, rational rose will convert UML to code. shitty code that is far from done.

02:15:32 benkay: oh god ibm

02:15:47 mike_c: whoa, we chased everyone away

02:15:54 benkay: try Ragel.

02:16:03 benkay: or something industry hardened like BNF

02:16:40 herbijudlestoids: nah im still here

02:16:43 mike_c: But what you end with is the same thing we have "the code is the spec".

02:16:50 herbijudlestoids: sorry, was raging to my team about the shittiest con call i was just on

02:17:20 benkay: except a CPP hairball is not a formal definition, and BNF is, well, a formal definition.

02:18:07 mike_c: would you want to try and understand a complex system by reading BNF?

02:18:16 BingoBoingo: Hell, even a hairball of K&R C could almost pass muster as a spec

02:18:27 herbijudlestoids: gribble is dead?

02:19:02 BingoBoingo: Oh, DDoS time I see

02:19:05 decimation: it seems freenode is messed up

02:19:10 B007_: mircea_popescu: I still want to be un-poor

02:19:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53600002 = 1.072 BTC [-] {2}

02:19:25 BingoBoingo: B007: We all want to be unpoor

02:19:40 B007_: I know

02:19:49 BingoBoingo: B007: Unpoor is predicated on willingness to learn though

02:20:02 herbijudlestoids: https://medium.com/matter/76d9913c6011

02:20:02 mike_c: benkay: did you survive ddos? i wasn't asking rhetorically.

02:20:02 benkay: mike_c: it's the difference between algebra and java.

02:20:13 benkay: i went to the bathroom

02:20:20 herbijudlestoids: "What tear gas taught me about twitter and the NSA"

02:20:22 herbijudlestoids: good articlde.

02:20:33 benkay: ping mike_c

02:20:39 mike_c: ah :) i guess i'm saying i wouldn't want algebra or java to be the spec.

02:20:45 BingoBoingo: I can't stand medium.com

02:20:51 BingoBoingo: Too much javascript.

02:21:06 benkay: algebra is entirely acceptable for the spec of both network protocol and blockchain parsing.

02:21:32 benkay: arguably, if you can't figure it out you shouldn't be fucking with it, and if you can't spend the time to learn the notation ditto.

02:21:41 benkay: bitcoin is most emphatically not for dilletantes.

02:21:55 Mats_cd03: i have a great idea: what if someone offered a service for n number of nodes spawned through e.g. digitalocean

02:22:07 Mats_cd03: crowdfunded by a btc addr

02:22:16 benkay: you lost me at crowdfunded baby

02:22:16 BingoBoingo: benkay: Some parts of bitcoin are friendlier to dilettantes than others.

02:22:19 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i understand, and apologise, but still, would value thoughts and opinions on what i think is a good article. if you like i can pastebin it?

02:22:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00086717 = 25.3647 BTC [-] {2}

02:22:23 Mats_cd03: everytime you hit $n dollars another one gets spun up for y days

02:22:38 benkay: BingoBoingo: yeah, like the part where you buy 'em.

02:22:43 benkay: not even the part where you guarantee their security yourself as the buying party.

02:22:56 B007_: digitalocean will lock your accout automatically if they recieve abuse complaints about you

02:23:01 mike_c: yeah.. not about understanding the notation. i can read assembly too, but i'd rather read C. but perhaps for something like the network protocol you're right.

02:23:06 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I suffered through reading it. It isn't bad. I've found tear gas relatively not that bad.

02:23:13 benkay: lissen mike_c i gotta dip a few blocks over to a nerd thing i'll be back online in like 20 or 30 minutes

02:23:13 Mats_cd03: is that something you think people would be interested in

02:23:26 mike_c: k, later

02:24:29 decimation: Mats; I doubt anyone here wants to reinvent S3

02:24:36 BingoBoingo: benkay: I'd venture even securing coins is something a casual user could do.

02:24:49 BingoBoingo: So long as the coins are one's personal coins

02:27:45 herbijudlestoids: decimation: you mean like openstack swift has done? ;) but i dont think thats what he was referring to

02:27:51 herbijudlestoids: i think hes just saying bitcoind VM instances, spawned in IaaS, funded by BT

02:27:55 herbijudlestoids: BTC*

02:28:20 decimation: ok, how would that help anyone?

02:29:02 herbijudlestoids: decimation: someone was complaining earlier that the number of nodes in the bitcoin network running the actual "reference implementation" that avoids this transaction malleability issue has dropped from ~10,000s in 2011 to ~1000 today

02:29:17 herbijudlestoids: or something like that

02:29:27 mike_c: A formal definition for protocol is necessary, but also insufficient. So now you know "how". But if you don't know "why", you are still going to end up fucked. The why is more important.

02:29:30 herbijudlestoids: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2014#498502

02:29:34 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

02:29:59 decimation: mike, I think the "why" can only be conveyed in plain English, like an RFC

02:30:14 herbijudlestoids: ~60k to ~1k

02:30:39 mike_c: yeah, me too.

02:30:48 mike_c: let's get some PEP's in here.

02:30:50 herbijudlestoids: decimation: so it doesnt help in any way except in regards to that complaint

02:33:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00013817 = 0.4145 BTC [-] {4}

02:34:14 mircea_popescu2: da fuck i just been targetted

02:34:23 herbijudlestoids: nah ddos

02:35:18 Mats_cd03: I think it'd be easy, I might even start writing the code now just to see it happen

02:35:25 B007_: mircea_popescu2: targetted?

02:35:26 mircea_popescu2: i ended up having to connect by ip because chat.freenode.net for some reason was resolving to a suspicious ip

02:35:40 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/qLVTsVU

02:35:41 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

02:35:41 B007_: oh freenode

02:35:45 nubbins`: behold the bounty of nubbins`

02:36:13 Mats_cd03: Nice

02:36:39 B007_: is mircea_popescu2 even the real one

02:36:46 B007_: i mean it has a 2

02:36:49 B007_: suspicious

02:36:55 nubbins`: who cares

02:37:10 B007_: idk

02:37:13 nubbins`: heh

02:37:19 nubbins`: check hostmask

02:37:41 B007_: nah

02:38:21 nubbins`: got two round loaves in the oven now

02:38:42 B007_: I want som

02:38:50 B007_: I'm hungry as fuck

02:39:02 nubbins`: sourdough w/ flax

02:39:16 nubbins`: lots of omega 3, good for ya

02:41:07 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu2: Well, if they serve you a suspicious IP at least you can know it isn't the meta-nsa

02:44:58 MisterE: BingoBoingo: the problem is Gox's own fuckedup internal wallet system that allowed double spending.

02:45:22 MisterE: the BTC malleability bug has been known for better part of a year

02:45:24 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Right, but that is like a super n00by database problem

02:45:29 mike_c: if only they had a PEP to refer to when working on their custom shit.

02:45:41 MisterE: Typical Japanese / Asian to blame anything other than themselves to save face

02:45:57 MisterE: sorry if thats sterotyping lived here 8-years, its true

02:46:23 MisterE: BingoBoingo: I reckon it was a problem with scaling

02:46:33 pankkake: are those custom wallets really necessary?

02:46:58 mike_c: custom shit is always necessary when you scale big.

02:47:04 MisterE: FB almost went dark because they couldn't scale their php to run in huge distributed environments well

02:47:23 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Seems if they are are honest more of a problem of picking the wrong values to use as database primary keys.

02:47:24 MisterE: a couple breakthroughs such as hiphop and the hip hop vm jit compiler saved their ass by like weeks

02:47:27 pankkake: well facebook is a pile of bad decisions

02:47:40 MisterE: I suspect Cox ran into a similar wall but without FBs resources

02:47:56 MisterE: lol pankkake maybe a bad example

02:48:03 MisterE: especially in this channle

02:48:14 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu nope. me, i use lex and yacc, and even those only when it cannot be helped.

02:48:16 MisterE: maybe 1/10 have FB here?

02:48:18 pankkake: anyway, you could also run multiple bitcoinds

02:48:28 MisterE: ^

02:48:44 MisterE: eventually this is the future

02:49:03 MisterE: transactions must move out of the blockchain it cant grow forever

02:49:09 BingoBoingo: The Gox, if they are reliable narrators, problem is they rely on txid as a primary key in their databases. txid makes a poor primary key

02:49:13 MisterE: so exchanges have their own internal chains

02:49:24 MisterE: hmm

02:49:39 benkay: back

02:50:09 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Exchanges don't have their own internal chains. They just handle the actual chain poorly

02:50:19 MisterE: they will

02:50:28 MisterE: they must there can't be 1 chain forever

02:51:00 pankkake: you don't need a blockchain internally if you have trust

02:51:06 MisterE: already coinbase does internal wallets stuff

02:51:17 mike_c: benkay: i decided we need PEPs first, not BNF.

02:51:18 pankkake: by multiple bitcoinds I just meant multiple bitcoinds. like multiple frontend servers

02:51:22 MisterE: if you transfer within CB it doesn;t show in the blockchain

02:51:42 MisterE: not sure exactly what they are doing

02:52:01 MisterE: they sure do fill up my timeline with tweets a lot though

02:53:40 mircea_popescu2: that was trippy

02:53:55 MisterE: the best investment in BTC is infrastructure provider, who got rich on ever gold rush? not the miners, the people who sold them gear. BTC network infrastructure for transactions is the future of financial transactions even if BTC is not the coin / currency in use

02:54:27 mircea_popescu: MisterE who are you and what makes you think you have something to say ?

02:54:35 MisterE: :P

02:54:39 MisterE: nobody / arrogance

02:54:46 mircea_popescu: mkay.

02:55:01 mike_c: http://fraudsters.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/

02:55:01 MisterE: anybody who says they know shit about BTC should be ignored

02:55:02 ozbot: Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:55:13 benkay: oh you decided on PEPs did you?

02:55:29 benkay: ^^ mike_c

02:55:31 mike_c: 2014 version: because you can withdraw your bitcoin

02:55:58 mike_c: benkay: yes. need the why more than the how.

02:55:59 benkay: mike_c: is that a reference to the Python Enhancement Proposal?

02:56:03 mike_c: yes

02:56:10 asciilifeform: ok what's this talk of state machines ?

02:56:14 benkay: no man bitcoin is in feature freeze

02:56:28 mike_c: feature freeze is fine, write PEPs for the features already existing :)

02:56:29 benkay: asciilifeform!

02:57:04 asciilifeform: benkay: here i am

02:57:05 benkay: for sensible, constrained declarations of a) network client behaviors and b) blockchain parsing

02:57:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00087086 = 29.9576 BTC [+]

02:58:54 asciilifeform: sort of how i once pontificated re: fpga implementation of bitcoind (e.g. verilog) would be a good 'cruft shedder' exercise.

02:59:04 BingoBoingo: Oh, davout's gone.

02:59:16 mircea_popescu: mike_c lol

02:59:19 B007: I'm soooo hungry

02:59:27 MisterE: pizza!

02:59:33 mircea_popescu: for the lolz of it : mpex actually discontinued withdrawals first

02:59:39 asciilifeform: 'rotary debugger.'

02:59:48 mircea_popescu: it's just in mpex' case it's been a private joke rather than the sad reality

02:59:50 mike_c: my counterargument was that a formal definition (be it BNF or fpga) of those is less useful than an english spec explaining rationale.

02:59:54 B007: mircea_popescu: how many btc do you have

03:00:03 B007: don't lie

03:00:10 mircea_popescu: B007 some.

03:00:15 MisterE: thats not polite

03:00:23 MisterE: how rich / poor are you?

03:00:39 B007: poor

03:00:45 B007: and you?

03:00:49 Mats_cd03: jurov: beep

03:00:50 mircea_popescu: there's some post where the girl's counting it much to pietilla's delight.

03:00:55 MisterE: in debt :/

03:01:02 B007: yeah

03:01:07 B007: school?

03:01:19 MisterE: naah worse, health

03:01:21 mike_c: fpga that did blockchain parsing would completely ignore tx malleabiality (as it should). PEP would tell you WHY you are ignoring it, so when you are writing custom shit you don't mess it up.

03:01:33 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Who isn't being polite nao

03:01:44 asciilifeform: mike_c: i'd love to read 'Bitcoin, the book.' with rationales. but it would be of little worth without a strictly-minimal, brain-loadable reference implementation.

03:01:47 asciilifeform: with no sharp edges.

03:01:50 mircea_popescu: ^

03:01:52 MisterE: :p nevermind me, I'm a n00b here and dunno who is friends

03:01:59 mircea_popescu: we can have that novel written sometime in 2050

03:02:30 mike_c: but but, perfect implementation does not help you when you are adding things.

03:02:30 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/TomHoepfner/status/431739694250856448 << max keiser offloading the support task for his shitcoin upon freenode staff :D

03:02:32 ozbot: Twitter / TomHoepfner: @freenodestaff ok, thx - was ...

03:02:57 mike_c: both necessary, but perfect implementation is insufficient.

03:03:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]

03:03:08 mircea_popescu: mike_c there's no particular requirement that people who don't already know the rationales sould be involved in writing any code.

03:03:35 mike_c: and less important while we are applying our limited resources.

03:03:41 B007: http://ponzi.io/

03:03:42 B007: lol

03:04:09 mike_c: hmm. interesting point. it just makes for a bumpier ride.

03:04:22 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Well, in Bitcoin polite is neither asking now answering exaclty how much BTC one holds. If you must ask, Roughly or Publically how much BTC do you hold is on the line of acceptable. As far as answering though even saying "I hold between zero and inside your mom right now BTC" is still polite.

03:04:45 MisterE: :P it is still irc afterall

03:05:08 MisterE: too bad I missed out on the ponzi

03:05:11 B007: I hope no btc is in ur mom

03:05:26 BingoBoingo: MisterE Bitcoin introduces interesting features though, like information is only privledged one way.

03:05:41 MisterE: if it goes back to $1k I'll go in there and retrieve it :d

03:05:42 mike_c: the problem is bitcoin has no competition. so we get away with doing a crappy job.

03:06:00 MisterE: hmm good point

03:06:44 B007: anon wants money 176im9MN1AbWFJZ9saFnCgXXGZB4iBABhH

03:07:17 MisterE: I dunno why countries that want to break the dollar hegemony already like S. American's who have been fucked by the US / CIA for decades don't start their own cryptocurrency

03:07:48 BingoBoingo: B007: But a laundry maker in your pooper, write Bingo on your left asscheek and Boingo on your right asscheek. I'll pay 0.01 BTC for the picture.

03:07:49 MisterE: they want their own NSA proof internets, impossible I know, but...

03:07:50 asciilifeform: MisterE: they have runaway mints of their own. national scamcoins, on the other hand, are inevitable.

03:08:03 MisterE: yea I recon so

03:08:20 B007: wtf is a laundry maker

03:08:31 BingoBoingo: B007: A sharpie in American terms.

03:08:53 MisterE: marker*

03:08:58 B007: oh a marker

03:08:59 B007: lol

03:09:02 MisterE: :p

03:09:04 BingoBoingo: B007: if anon wants BTC they have to play their pooper

03:09:14 B007: nah

03:10:35 BingoBoingo: B007: You might be agreeable to that price next year, but the offer won't be there.

03:10:57 mike_c: mircea_popescu: wait. i disagree. how are you supposed to learn the rationale? this is why something BingoBoingo collecting satoshi's mails are useful.

03:11:01 B007: or it will be morthles

03:11:08 mike_c: *something like

03:11:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00087023 = 11.4 BTC [-]

03:11:11 B007: *worthless

03:11:20 mircea_popescu: mike_c yes, you ask, you read, you whatever.

03:11:31 mircea_popescu: basically a pull rather than a push for now because we aren't yet as formalised

03:11:46 BingoBoingo: B007: No, next year it might be worth too much to spend on your dignity. Buttcoins are purely deflationary.

03:11:49 B007: mircea_popescu: where is my money

03:11:58 mircea_popescu: how was one supposed to think logically before aristotle got around to writing logics ?

03:12:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 180 @ 0.0008351 = 0.1503 BTC [+]

03:12:35 mike_c: yes, which is why i think the logic of bitcoin being organized is more important than the perfect implementation.

03:12:39 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, they debated Parimenides versus Heraclitus and just raped each other.

03:12:53 mike_c: ok, i've beaten this horse.

03:13:07 B007: its dead

03:13:22 asciilifeform: the question is not of a 'perfect' implementation,

03:13:29 mircea_popescu: but of a definite one.

03:13:35 mircea_popescu: something natural language will never be.

03:13:35 asciilifeform: but of one that can actually be understood, by a reasonably-intelligent person, with reasonable effort.

03:13:41 asciilifeform: the way one understands a kalashnikov.

03:14:32 asciilifeform: (what values of 'reasonable', depends on the intrinsic complexity of the problem.)

03:14:58 MisterE: mike_c: at this point in time I agree

03:15:05 asciilifeform: 'natural language' only has a place here as a teaching aid.

03:15:08 MisterE: eventualy you have to ship

03:15:15 asciilifeform: and never as a substitute for mechanics.

03:15:23 mike_c: yes. and perhaps satoshi could write that. barring that, i think the order should be: we agree on the rationale, then are capable of writing the kalishnikov version.

03:15:41 mircea_popescu: no, because this is not art an we aren't making a vase.

03:15:49 mircea_popescu: this is science, we're describing an actual real process.

03:16:18 asciilifeform: the only truly unambiguous definition of a computation is the computation itself.

03:16:25 mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of agreeing how we'd like the vase to look, but a matter of representing how gravity actually and in fact does work

03:16:58 mike_c: you don't build the perfect factory by starting to build the machines. you figure out the overall process first, the steps. then you build the robots.

03:17:22 mircea_popescu: why are you so focused on the building and implementation notional universe ?

03:17:22 mike_c: the fricking white paper came before the code

03:17:29 mircea_popescu: seems odd, a state machine is an abstraction.

03:17:39 asciilifeform: we've got the robot. with a warehouse's worth of extraneous junk welded to it.

03:17:48 asciilifeform: and parts held together with tape.

03:17:53 mircea_popescu: mike_c i suspect the code only came because the response to the paper was a particular brand of retarded.

03:18:19 mike_c: asciilifeform: ok.. so you are saying reverse engineer instead of start from the top.

03:18:38 BingoBoingo: I can't believe B007 quit before I had the chance to drop links

03:18:47 asciilifeform: mike_c: you could certainly phrase it that way.

03:19:21 mircea_popescu: why does it have to be an either anyway ?

03:19:29 mircea_popescu: you know the bridges joke ?

03:19:30 mike_c: it does not and should not.

03:19:37 mike_c: only the bridge builder one

03:19:40 mircea_popescu: yea that.

03:19:45 mircea_popescu: if they meet, you got your bridge

03:19:50 mircea_popescu: if they don't, i guess you get two

03:20:07 mike_c: hmm. we're talking about different jokes. i'm talking about bob the bridge builder

03:20:09 asciilifeform: birthing a parsimonious implementation of something (i.e. one that can actually be understood) is not necessarily the same as the student pissing contest of 'write the shortest hello world for ms-dos in asm'

03:21:01 mircea_popescu: mike_c buncha teams are presenting offers to build a brige. they all start from both sides. one team has laser sensors and whatever, the 2nd satellite and whatnot

03:21:04 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am pretty sure the solution to that problem is skipping ms-dos or any other os nd just writing asm hello world

03:21:09 mircea_popescu: the third is more flegmatic. either one or two bridges.

03:22:55 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that'd hardly win you the slimmest turd contest.

03:24:12 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Slimmest turd is a different contest. That is easily solved through copious amunts of magnesium citrate and not allowing turds to leave solution in water.

03:24:43 mike_c: mircea_popescu: i don't get the joke, but i get your point.

03:25:24 mircea_popescu: well it's supposed to be funny by contrast. the one team that didn't need tech

03:36:31 mircea_popescu: http://www.examiner.com/article/it-was-the-best-of-times-it-was-the-blurst-of-times-throwing-out-your-first-chapter

03:36:32 ozbot: It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times: throwing out your first chapter - National Wri

03:36:44 mircea_popescu: for epic lols : writing novels is listed under GARDENING,

03:37:03 mircea_popescu: sequels are spelled seqeuls,

03:37:10 mircea_popescu: and the guy has absolutely no idea who hemingway was.

03:37:35 herbijudlestoids: i read something about hemmingway today

03:37:36 herbijudlestoids: ...

03:38:12 herbijudlestoids: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/how-the-cia-turned-american-literature-into-a-content-farm

03:38:16 ozbot: The CIA Helped Build the Content Farm That Churns Out American Literature | Motherboard

03:38:17 BingoBoingo: I heard Hemmingway liked Abercrombie and Fitch

03:38:34 herbijudlestoids: not specifically him but yea

03:38:57 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids the point in quesiton is "throw away the first chapter of your novel"

03:39:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [+]

03:40:02 herbijudlestoids: in reference to the current bitcoin "reference implementation"?

03:40:16 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Also throw away the last 2/3rds

03:40:27 mircea_popescu: and the middle.

03:40:42 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids nah, idle.

03:40:51 herbijudlestoids: kk

03:40:52 mike_c: no doubt. we need bitcoin 2.0. same math, new code.

03:41:25 pankkake: what about the Go implementation?

03:41:28 mike_c: who has nothing to do the rest of the year?

03:41:35 BingoBoingo: mike_c: How good are you at K&R C?

03:41:46 mircea_popescu: mike_c life.

03:42:38 herbijudlestoids: i was under the impression that the existing implmentation was pretty well coded (at least from a security perspective) but it seems like most on here disagree

03:42:57 herbijudlestoids: for if it was good we would not be having this discussion

03:43:25 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids the original stuff was poorly written by one unexperienced coder with a lot of system design experience.

03:43:39 mircea_popescu: it has since been "fixed" in the hands of mediocre coders with no system design comprehension whatsoever.

03:43:52 mircea_popescu: the resultant mess is unusable past about 0.6.x or thereabouts, for these reasons.

03:43:58 pankkake: the initial code was horrible, couldn't get it to compile, full of wxwindows crap where there shouldn't be. stayed away :/

03:44:19 pankkake: just having bitcoind with no GUI code was than achievement

03:44:21 herbijudlestoids: and we are at 0.8.6.x now? what do you mean by unusable?

03:44:50 herbijudlestoids: from a development perspective? as in unusable to modify/update the code?

03:44:59 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Do you play chess?

03:45:07 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i play chees poorly.

03:45:12 herbijudlestoids: s/chees/chess

03:45:24 herbijudlestoids: but i really enjoy playing

03:45:44 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Do you know Algebraic notation well enough to play in text?

03:45:52 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids what is customarily meant by unusable. "which can't be used for its intended purpose"

03:46:21 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: been a while with algebraic notation but moderately confident i could pick it up quickly enough for such purpose

03:46:48 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo has been looking for someone to beat ever since truffles ran off

03:47:00 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: so the bitcoind/bitcoin-qt implementation cannot be used for its intended purpose of sending/receiving/storing bitcoin blockchain whatevers

03:47:37 mircea_popescu: SAFELY and etc.

03:47:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0030001 = 0.15 BTC [+]

03:48:15 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: not sure i understand still, possibly retard serum levels still too high, but if its not secure or whatever, how come im not haxing into your walletz right now

03:48:18 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: As far as the tournament you spec'd goes my only credited loss is to namworld.

03:48:44 BingoBoingo: Twas on the night I almost finished a handle of Vodka

03:49:04 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Do you have a favored color?

03:49:30 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: not particularly...is this one of those trick questions where you psychologically evluate my expertise as a player with a simple one liner?

03:49:43 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Davout is also been asking if he can get a late entry into the round robin.

03:50:23 pankkake: herbijudlestoids: that seems like a typical BingoBoingo trick yes

03:50:24 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No. You just said you play poorly so taking you at face value I want to know if you have a stronger color, which might make the game more interesting.

03:51:03 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I just hate games like when truffles annoyed me into playing him while I was sober.

03:51:44 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: sorry dude i am just recovering from some illness and about to go full pelt into a bunch of work related things as we are growing rapidly now...you want someone with more free time :)

03:52:03 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: How about pick head or tails?

03:52:04 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids for the same reason you're not fucking all the floozies in your town right now.

03:52:05 herbijudlestoids: i have a friend who may be interested, he loves teh chezz, online etc...dunno about text based but i assume he would be into it

03:52:27 BingoBoingo: ;;coin

03:52:27 gribble: tails

03:52:47 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: im not hacking into your wallet because i feel drained and empty whenever i hear it talk?

03:52:59 mircea_popescu: i guess you're not man enough for it.

03:53:15 herbijudlestoids: maybe. just trying to understand your "unusable" comment.

03:53:21 BingoBoingo: Ok, anyone who isn't a scaredy cat OZ pussy interest in playing/

03:54:00 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids right.

03:54:21 herbijudlestoids: would any of you sirs be interested in purchasing a small amount of ATC off me, for the sole purpose of increasing my WoT rating from 0?

03:54:33 mircea_popescu: it's wonderbread. i wouldn't use it and i don't agree it's bread. you could say this is me being elitist, you could devise some tests of breadess wonderbread passes

03:54:45 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids how much ?

03:55:01 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I might be willing to sell ATC at the right price, but my drunk ass isn't buying.

03:55:10 herbijudlestoids: i have 56 of them which are mature enough to transfer

03:55:23 herbijudlestoids: sell for the midpoint between bid/ask on openex

03:55:51 herbijudlestoids: not really looking for anything except as a mechanism to get into WoT usefully

03:55:54 BingoBoingo: ATC hasn't traded at the midpoint on Openex though. It has traded at the asks

03:56:20 herbijudlestoids: dude we are talking 56 of them, not 5,600,000

03:56:55 benkay: mike_c: are you satisfied with <asciilifeform> the only truly unambiguous definition of a computation is the

03:56:58 benkay: computation itself.

03:57:05 benkay: ?

03:57:17 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: And we are talking pricing. Unless you do like the candy shop and package the atc with a teddy bear, there is no room for a premium to be demanded.

03:57:41 herbijudlestoids: ok...whatever...ill take the ask, i dont really care about the price

03:57:45 BingoBoingo: benkay: You ever play chess. I think you could beat me soundly

03:57:53 herbijudlestoids: we are quibbling over an infitesimaly small amount of value

03:58:08 benkay: hell no

03:58:16 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No, we are discussing constraints of the system.

03:58:23 mircea_popescu: 56 ?! cmon, i can't make a tx that small.

03:58:25 benkay: BingoBoingo ^^

03:58:34 mike_c: benkay: yes, i was just saying it is insufficient. it describes the process, but does not help you extend it or use it because you don't know any of the rationale. we worked the point over pretty good about an hour ago :)

03:58:50 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: wut? all i am trying to do is establish some WoT creds

03:58:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1143 @ 0.00012401 = 0.1417 BTC [-]

03:58:57 herbijudlestoids: since you guys all love the fucken WoT

03:59:06 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Then maybe trade something other than an altcoin?

03:59:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he's not a virgin, so there's the end of that.

03:59:43 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: and how the f am i supposed to sell other shit on -otc without a WoT rating?

03:59:47 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I didn't think anyone on this channel was a virgin

04:00:02 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Well, you have any MPOE?

04:00:10 BingoBoingo: Any S.NSA or S.BBET?

04:00:50 mircea_popescu: he has some mpoe graphs...

04:00:54 herbijudlestoids: so the answer is no. nobody is willing to purchase a small amount of ATC off me for the purpose of establishing my trust on WoT

04:01:04 KRS-One: haha

04:01:06 herbijudlestoids: i couldve just taken a no :)

04:01:08 mike_c: s.nsa went cheap today. somebody got a great deal.

04:01:12 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids listen, a 5k satoshi tx is like... impossible to even propagate.

04:01:14 mircea_popescu: you'll need moar.

04:01:27 mircea_popescu: $vwap s.nsa

04:01:28 mpexbot: mircea_popescu: S.NSA 1 day: average: 0.0001056 high: 0.000107 low: 0.000105 volume: 54348 btc: 5.739064 7 day: average: 0.00010598 high: 0.000159 low: 0.000105 volume: 74350 btc: 7.879382 30 day: average: 0.00012212 high: 0.00017 low: 0.000105 volume: 99420 btc: 12.141282

04:01:44 BingoBoingo: After the time it takes to withdraw 27500 ATC from Openex I'd be willing to sell it for the same 645 satoshi bid I have nao.

04:02:11 mircea_popescu: ahaha 645 srsly ?!

04:02:12 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You forget the part where you could buy the ATC

04:02:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There is barely anything stoping 645 from happening

04:03:00 moiety: hihi :)

04:03:04 KRS-One: of course becase there isnt any demand or volume

04:03:10 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There'a actually barely anything on the book preventing 10,000 satoshis as well though

04:03:15 KRS-One: I could put my dick out there and gt a few bucks for it

04:03:31 mircea_popescu: i was gonna buy moar but 650 satoshi...

04:03:44 coingenuity: sup mircea_popescu

04:03:57 mike_c: 10k blocks of ATC have sold for 500 satoshi

04:04:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This offer isn't for you then. I wrote it for the Dogers.

04:04:00 mircea_popescu: coingenuity same old.

04:04:11 coingenuity: i feel ya

04:04:19 mircea_popescu: i guess ima wait for the atc0x hack then

04:04:21 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: ok is there some minimum youd consider? i have more but in immature blocks. willing to wait

04:04:42 BingoBoingo: coingenuity: Can you get a quote on 10 oz libertads to retile my bathroom yet?>

04:04:45 mike_c: herbijudlestoids: go find sturles. he sells small amounts of btc to help people establish wot.

04:04:47 mircea_popescu: what's the minimum dust atm ? 54300 ?

04:04:54 moiety: i are having stupid question moment. halps?

04:04:59 benkay: mike_c: using and extending the protocol is a non-starter right now. first we need a rock-solid, well-defined thing.

04:05:00 coingenuity: BingoBoingo: mexico is all fucked up, libertads are a pain to get

04:05:01 mircea_popescu: moiety shoot

04:05:28 mircea_popescu: benkay totally nobody;s using it.

04:05:56 moiety: you know I'm still mining my vanitygen and it's at 96.7%... can i still use my cmd window for something else while it's doing that? (sorry i know it's probably glaringly obvious)

04:06:09 benkay: moiety: why not spin up a new cmd window?

04:06:10 herbijudlestoids: moiety: win or lin?

04:06:11 BingoBoingo: moiety: Windows?

04:06:13 mircea_popescu: yes you may.

04:06:24 moiety: omg you can get multiple cmds? i love this thing more every day

04:06:27 mircea_popescu: terrible fucken bad luck, 97% ?!

04:06:33 BingoBoingo: moiety: I thought you moved past Windows.

04:06:38 moiety: thank you all and apologies again, i'm learning

04:06:44 mircea_popescu: moiety you know... you can open a new cmd window

04:06:46 moiety: no, never got to linuxing

04:06:58 mircea_popescu: even windows isn't apple.

04:07:00 moiety: i only just found ctrl alt shift!

04:07:16 herbijudlestoids: moiety: Start => Run => type "cmd", hit enter

04:07:25 mircea_popescu: ctrl-alt-tit should be a shocker then.

04:07:30 BingoBoingo: moiety: I feel lied to. You told me months ago you were linuxing. Back when you adopted smuxi as your IRC client

04:07:41 mike_c: benkay: yes, i just don't think a reference implementation counts as well defined. so TCP_KEEPALIVE is set to 100. why? was that picked intellignetly, randomly, or it doesn't really fking matter? you don't know from implementation.

04:07:52 asciilifeform: probabilistic algo. also quite possible that it will never converge (i.e. nothing useful hashes to fooXXXX... where foo is the vanity string)

04:08:13 moiety: i am still at the same position as that day BingoBoingo. I can still see the linux CDs on top of my pc. I just never used them yet

04:08:44 moiety: and i tried to get bitchx to work talking of irc but really failed with that.

04:08:46 BingoBoingo: moiety: If that is the case just skip linux and go to a BSD or Gentoo

04:08:54 herbijudlestoids: people still use bitchx?

04:08:57 moiety: check me oot with ma two wee cmds!

04:09:12 moiety: well, i had been wondering about bsd

04:09:17 mircea_popescu: what was the cmd bomb for windows ?

04:09:28 herbijudlestoids: cmd bomb?

04:09:36 asciilifeform: he probably meant fork bomb

04:09:38 coingenuity: mircea_popescu: there's a lot of them

04:09:47 mircea_popescu: yeah

04:10:03 asciilifeform: http://www.c-integration.com/blog/showpost.php/82-windows-fork-bomb-crash-windows-in-5-seconds

04:10:04 moiety: c'mon you just gave me the way to two, lets not blow them up mircea_popescu

04:10:04 asciilifeform: etc

04:10:10 BingoBoingo: moiety: BSD isn't too different. If you take that route O'Reilley has a minature verion of their sysadmin essentials book which would be valuable.

04:10:14 mircea_popescu: ty

04:10:27 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You ever play chess?

04:10:36 asciilifeform: on occasion.

04:10:43 asciilifeform: i'm one of those bozos who 'graduated' to Go.

04:10:55 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You at all familiar with algebraic notation?

04:11:00 asciilifeform: certainly.

04:11:06 moiety: has anyone tried chess 2?

04:11:07 BingoBoingo: I could use a loss

04:11:13 moiety: play me then BingoBoingo

04:11:16 asciilifeform: can't guarantee a loss

04:11:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: can you play me and moiety in a simul or how do we split this demand?

04:12:01 asciilifeform: i'll take a raincheck. about to fall asleep.

04:12:02 BingoBoingo: moiety: Heads or tails?

04:12:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Works for me.

04:12:13 mircea_popescu: tails.

04:12:18 BingoBoingo: ;;coin

04:12:19 gribble: tails

04:12:24 pankkake: WHAT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459028.0

04:13:02 mircea_popescu: pankkake scam

04:13:03 moiety: hahaha i love gribble more every day

04:13:14 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Troll the imposter coin.

04:13:21 moiety: i really can't play very well BingoBoingo

04:13:28 asciilifeform: pankkake: what's with the obligatory faux-gold-coin pics, anyway

04:13:41 asciilifeform: no crapartist seems to resist those

04:13:47 BingoBoingo: moiety: Fuck it, I'm drunk. Not lose to namworld drunk, but kind of drunk.

04:14:18 herbijudlestoids: i really dont understand what everyone seems to think the value of ASIC proofing a network is

04:14:19 moiety: you're always drunk. you'll get a quick win!

04:14:19 mircea_popescu: cause gold is valuable.

04:14:27 moiety: unless its on a crackhead

04:14:30 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids welcome to the club.

04:14:41 mircea_popescu: i've not understood it a year and a half later.

04:14:50 herbijudlestoids: its like being proud that any small actor with $5million can destroy your coin

04:14:54 herbijudlestoids: gg

04:14:56 pankkake: it's actually worse, being asic proof makes you vulnerable to botnets, supercomputers, clouds, anything you can rent for CHEAP

04:14:59 BingoBoingo: moiety: White or black

04:15:06 herbijudlestoids: pankkake: yea exactly.

04:15:08 mircea_popescu: "Now that Bitcoin computational power is handled almost entirely by large data centers, the currency has rapidly changed from a distributed, decentralized currency, to one that is much more centralized and vulnerable. Companies such as Cex.io are routinely hitting 40% PoW computational power on a daily basis, and will soon be able to perform 51% attacks at will, if they so choose."

04:15:10 moiety: either you choose

04:15:20 mircea_popescu: derp. wasn't it btcguild that had 40%ish back in feb 2013 ?

04:15:35 BingoBoingo: moiety: How about heads or tails (knowing I'd prefer black)

04:15:35 pankkake: I remember when deepbit was the big bad

04:15:35 asciilifeform: the essence is, some people have a fundamental but unspoken disagreement with the basic premise behind mining.

04:15:45 asciilifeform: i.e. they want to parcel out new coin to warm bodies

04:15:50 asciilifeform: or their phriends

04:15:56 herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: i think its stupider than that

04:16:02 herbijudlestoids: they feel that ASICS are "unfair"

04:16:08 herbijudlestoids: and that anyone should be able to mine some coins

04:16:12 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the essence is, some people have a fundamental but unspoken disagreement with the basic premise behind mining. <<< exactly.

04:16:13 asciilifeform: that's precisely the thing. warm body rights.

04:16:13 BingoBoingo: phriends, are people still making blue boxes?

04:16:29 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: no they dont work anymore

04:16:30 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is constantly being colonised by people who have fundamental but unverbalised disagreements with its fundamental principles.

04:16:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they would if they could.

04:17:12 asciilifeform: not so much colonized as dropped straight into their hands at birth, and slowly wrestled out, with partial success so far

04:17:15 herbijudlestoids: i dont think any phone system has in band signalling since the early 90s, even in oz

04:17:15 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The old GTE payphone Verizon hasn't killed yet may still be vulnerable.

04:17:24 moiety: i'll be white bingo :)

04:17:34 BingoBoingo: moiety: K, it is your move.

04:17:48 asciilifeform: "Bitcoin interests me as an obvious example of a technological jewel tossed around aimlessly by the brutal hands of cave men. I can?t help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out. But the batteries have not yet run out!" -- old turd of mine

04:18:03 mircea_popescu: | 33554432 | 4 GB | 22864142697 | Sun, 15 Jul 2694 06:44:57 GMT | |

04:18:06 mircea_popescu: ahahaha EPIC shit.

04:18:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5676 @ 0.00086964 = 4.9361 BTC [-] {2}

04:18:15 BingoBoingo: "The Gods Must be Crazy"

04:18:20 mircea_popescu: check it out, they decided 4gb should be enough for everyone on sunday 2694

04:18:28 herbijudlestoids: glegh

04:19:15 pankkake: if you don't have 4gb in 2014 I feel for you

04:19:18 moiety: i'm the colour of milk naturally. ok, give me a sec, gonna have to find a board to see

04:19:21 asciilifeform: eh, the way earthlings roll, that's several 'Year Zero's away.

04:20:07 herbijudlestoids: moiety: http://www.mark-weeks.com/aboutcom/images/ble21alg.gif

04:20:25 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: some ex-soviet badlands still use exchanges with mechanical Strowger switches. and in-band. bluebox there.

04:21:28 moiety: aw yiss, thank you herbi :D

04:22:50 mircea_popescu: pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459028.msg5107020#msg5107020

04:22:53 mircea_popescu: "Sorry about that. I was doing some work on the server and accidentally killed the stratum."

04:23:04 mircea_popescu: clearly this coin is the solution to all centralisation troubles.

04:23:24 pankkake: fake altcoin has feature "Auto connect to ALTCOIN network without config"

04:23:24 asciilifeform: still waiting for the first altturd called 'bitcoin'.

04:23:31 pankkake: basically, properly configured seed nodes

04:23:34 asciilifeform: i mean, if we're going to collide names...

04:23:40 pankkake: altcoins expectations are low

04:23:41 mircea_popescu: https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs14.directupload.net%2Fimages%2F140212%2Ffjnk6mru.png&t=537&c=OROVgYkaPEIyYg

04:23:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Several alt-turds have been called Bitcoin

04:24:11 asciilifeform: beautiful. now all they need is a media loudspeaker

04:24:13 mircea_popescu: . Dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3D.

04:24:27 asciilifeform: 'The True Bitcoin, Discovered!1!!'

04:24:43 mircea_popescu: The Turd Bitcoin

04:24:46 mircea_popescu: (accidental typo)

04:25:05 mircea_popescu: Dev, correct start page,

04:25:05 mircea_popescu: 4294967296 is 2^32, not 2^36

04:25:05 mircea_popescu: 2^36 = 68,719,476,736

04:25:05 mircea_popescu: So could you specify again, how many coins total ?

04:25:05 mircea_popescu: Sorry for the little error, I changed it to 2^32, total number is 4294967296.

04:25:10 mircea_popescu: this shit's pretty good

04:25:21 mircea_popescu: the little error is well... some billions.

04:25:53 asciilifeform: that must be one fellow who never read the chessboard-rice tale as a boy.

04:26:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform either that or a fellow lieing about the eventual volume

04:26:17 asciilifeform: (vizier promises to put one grain on a square, two on the next, four...)

04:26:28 mircea_popescu: too lazy to discern if naively stupid or interestedly stupid

04:26:51 herbijudlestoids: i have been trolling the shit out of bitcloud

04:27:01 mircea_popescu: anyway, kinda funny that the alt was the true altcoin before there were fake altcoins

04:27:06 moiety: BingoBoingo: h2 to h3 please

04:27:13 BingoBoingo: K, d7-d6

04:27:30 herbijudlestoids: what im hoping is that i convince everyone interested in bitcloud to contribute to freenet instead

04:27:42 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids yeah. that'll work.

04:27:50 BingoBoingo: freenet? maori like failnet.

04:28:03 mircea_popescu: link some examples of trollage to shit will you

04:28:06 moiety: BingoBoingo: b2 to b3

04:28:09 BingoBoingo: Cause Whales of fail.

04:28:20 BingoBoingo: Nf6

04:28:30 asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: there are rational arguments against 'asicability' that don't reduce to 'one meat puppet, one vote damnit'

04:28:32 pankkake: did bitcloud produce any code?

04:28:45 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: well unfortunately i didnt keep logs of my efforts in the irc chan, but here is the reddit thread i started for lulz www.reddit.com/r/bitcloud/comments/1xlwp5/bitcloud_prefers_hype_to_work/

04:28:58 asciilifeform: asics make it hard to flee to a new workfunction if the old one is somehow borked.

04:29:07 asciilifeform: (i.e. serious mathematical advance)

04:29:11 herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: certainly i dont disagree with your statement sir however i doubt any who are proponents of these anti ASCI coins are thinking that

04:29:16 mircea_popescu: i can't believe the canonical windoze fork bomb uses goto.

04:29:17 herbijudlestoids: s/ASCI/ASIC

04:29:36 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course it does, becaue Fortran

04:29:37 mircea_popescu: learn to keep logs they be important

04:29:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tricky to forkbomb where you haven't a 'fork'!

04:30:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or even a "for i 0 to process count do launch this process"

04:30:34 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i am willing to listen to your opinion on why freenet is failnet.

04:30:45 mircea_popescu: epic.

04:30:49 pankkake: java :(

04:31:05 pankkake: actually, it's mostly usuability issues

04:31:11 BingoBoingo: Maybe in detail when this game is over? herbijudlestoids

04:31:15 pankkake: 0530 pankkake> java :(

04:31:15 pankkake: 0531 pankkake> actually, it's mostly usuability issues

04:31:25 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: sure :)

04:31:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9799 @ 0.00087086 = 8.5336 BTC [+]

04:31:33 herbijudlestoids: pankkake: and when was the last time you used it?

04:31:43 pankkake: 2 years ago I think

04:31:46 herbijudlestoids: lel

04:31:56 pankkake: I really like the darknet/opennet approach

04:32:00 moiety: BingoBoingo: c2 - c3

04:32:07 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids are all the commenters your socks ?

04:32:10 herbijudlestoids: try it out then, lots of recent improvements

04:32:16 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: they certainly are not. i am triplecheesecheese.

04:32:24 mircea_popescu: holy shit then there's no trolling there

04:32:29 mircea_popescu: everyone agrees the thing is ridiculous

04:32:39 herbijudlestoids: well, except Javier the douchenozzle

04:33:07 herbijudlestoids: i really feel like he is the kind of guy i could wake up in the morning and troll

04:33:10 herbijudlestoids: troll him all day

04:33:25 BingoBoingo: moiety: g6

04:33:27 herbijudlestoids: then go home and hang up my hat feeling satisfied that id done something meaningful with my life

04:33:37 pankkake: herbijudlestoids: you're worse than me!

04:33:45 mircea_popescu: trolling idiots is meaningful now ?

04:33:58 mircea_popescu: why, because we subscribe to the theory that idiots are people too, just like us ?

04:34:32 herbijudlestoids: nah, but he is out there, and any disruptions i can cause to his presence on the internet is an automatic gain to the rest of internetdom

04:34:59 herbijudlestoids: if he spends an hour writing a response to my complaints its an hour he cant spend otherwise

04:35:12 pankkake: but how much time does that cost you?

04:35:31 mircea_popescu: so ddosing idiots now.

04:35:42 asciilifeform: '...but the pig will enjoy it.'

04:35:46 herbijudlestoids: not all the idiots

04:35:50 herbijudlestoids: just the ones that really get my grill

04:36:13 herbijudlestoids: anyway im done, i dont know if theres much more i can do

04:36:22 herbijudlestoids: he already unsubscribed me from the mailing list :P

04:36:43 herbijudlestoids: although if i catch kyle_torpey in here again i might be tempted to /query him

04:37:03 pankkake: I'm tired of all the nonprojects

04:37:10 pankkake: since diaspora

04:37:23 nubbins`: have i complained about the client who wants organic tank tops?

04:37:34 pankkake: don't think so

04:37:37 BingoBoingo: diaspora was the worst. Inquisition was better

04:37:41 mircea_popescu: yeah eyah you did

04:37:48 herbijudlestoids: pankkake: yea i feel it. there is lots of abandonware out there...some even had potential

04:37:54 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids you've really been in all the shitholes huh

04:38:23 nubbins`: she now wants tote bags printed and they're made out of weed

04:38:30 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: for some definitions of shitholes.

04:38:39 moiety: bingoboingo: wut

04:38:44 mircea_popescu: diaspora meets any.

04:38:54 BingoBoingo: moiety: I moved pawn g6

04:39:05 nubbins`: ^ heh, a challenger approaches!

04:39:07 BingoBoingo: Cause I'm fly like a g6

04:39:27 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: after the initial hype, i did some trolling and ignored it. forgot about it. but then, they subscribed me to the mailing list...somehow, i dunno even know how they got my email address. maybe i accidentally entered it somewhere bitcloud related. but i figured since they invited me to the discussion, i would make my viewpoint heard on their mailing list, reddit, irc, etc

04:40:06 mircea_popescu: sounds sensible.

04:40:20 BingoBoingo: They nevar did that to me.

04:40:50 BingoBoingo: Avoiding OS grifter spam == playing dumb

04:40:58 herbijudlestoids: pankkake: but some projects are still projects even though they had huge risk of becoming nonprojects. like freenet! and i2p!

04:41:22 herbijudlestoids: im grateful for that

04:41:23 BingoBoingo: Tor has nothing on turtle routing

04:41:55 pankkake: when I mentionned diaspora I meant projects that got hype despite being lead by people unqualified for the task, and ignoring the existing solutions

04:42:03 BingoBoingo: lol

04:42:16 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: how is turtle F2F different from retroshare...which uses mircea_popescu favorite GPG

04:42:39 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: admittedly cool that was developed by tanenbaum

04:42:42 pankkake: is the turtle on elephants?

04:43:07 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Why I don't use either seems like decent IT homework reading

04:43:30 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: ill hassle you once your match with moiety and asciilifeform are over :)

04:43:35 BingoBoingo: pankkake: No, it is turtles all of the way down, like iran

04:43:39 herbijudlestoids: and maybe try and catch you slightly more sober

04:44:13 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform is tired and moiety is looking to answer 3. c3 g6

04:44:36 herbijudlestoids: anyway chaps, im going to lie down and try and recuperate. behave yourselves

04:44:56 moiety: just carry on

04:45:02 herbijudlestoids: this place is one of the more intellectually stimulating corners of the internet and i have become tired

04:45:03 BingoBoingo: moiety: Your move

04:45:12 moiety: it's ok, play with herbi, it will be a bettergame

04:45:23 BingoBoingo: moiety: He's sleeping too

04:45:35 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: devise, then... elephant routing. i'm off to bed.

04:45:45 herbijudlestoids: moiety: if you dont finish the match we will never hear the end of it. i can wait to hassle bingo about my retardedness :)

04:45:45 BingoBoingo: ANd he's an aussie. I gues Crocodile dundee was a myth

04:46:19 moiety: f2-f3

04:46:30 moiety: aaaaaaand did double take there at dundee lol

04:46:31 BingoBoingo: Bg7

04:47:21 BingoBoingo: Elephant routing == transmit messages through error reports to Netflix

04:47:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00086848 = 31.0916 BTC [-] {3}

04:48:28 moiety: h3-h4

04:48:40 BingoBoingo: 0-0

04:48:42 moiety: i have no idea what the board looks like

04:49:01 BingoBoingo: moiety: I though you had a gif or soemthing

04:49:04 nubbins`: ha

04:49:13 moiety: what even is 0?

04:49:26 moiety: m using herbis picture in paint

04:49:35 moiety: and a chess site

04:49:44 moiety: for what the pieces are and where they begin

04:50:13 moiety: ive never played without a board, im sorry

04:50:40 nubbins`: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50842076/chess2.svg

04:50:44 nubbins`: ^ svg board and pieces

04:50:49 nubbins`: open w/ inkscape

04:51:21 herbijudlestoids: lel. moiety i think 0-0 is an emoticon ;)

04:51:43 moiety: oh lol thanks herbi

04:51:57 moiety: i don't think bingo can type from hitting his forehead of the desk rightnow

04:52:20 moiety: i have that effect a lot

04:52:53 BingoBoingo: moiety: Try putting the moves in http://htmlchess.sourceforge.net/demo/example.html

04:53:32 BingoBoingo: 0-0 is castle kingside

04:54:07 BingoBoingo: 1. h3 d6

04:54:11 moiety: it puts in your moves too though

04:54:15 moiety: like guesses

04:54:24 BingoBoingo: 2. b3 Nf6

04:54:24 moiety: i'll stick to drawing it out

04:54:37 mircea_popescu: 0-0 is the short castling ye ninnies

04:54:42 BingoBoingo: 3. c3 g6

04:54:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00087086 = 8.7957 BTC [+]

04:55:04 moiety: b3-b4 please!

04:55:24 BingoBoingo: c5

04:55:37 mircea_popescu: Work on the Diaspora software began in May 2010. Finn Brunton, a teacher and digital media researcher at New York University, described their method as "a return of the classic geek means of production: pizza and ramen and guys sleeping under the desks because it is something that it is really exciting and challenging." A developer preview was released on September 15 and received criticism for various security bugs

04:56:07 mircea_popescu: fucking greek means of production based on italian fisherman dishes as implemented by american kids who sleep under desks in offices because even that's more interesting than their social life.

04:56:35 moiety: bingo but i thought castles could only move to the corners, you dont have a free corner

04:57:32 BingoBoingo: moiety: Castling is moving the king two spaces horizontally and then the rook cuddles it

04:57:52 moiety: oh fck sorry

04:58:05 BingoBoingo: moiety: Collect the moves so far and put them in http://htmlchess.sourceforge.net/demo/example.html

04:58:47 BingoBoingo: And my Rooks are big, cuddly, and black just like Micheal Sam.

04:59:30 pankkake: pizza and ramen are not paleo, how can you code on that

04:59:42 BingoBoingo: 4. f3 Bg7

04:59:53 BingoBoingo: 5. h4 0-0

05:01:21 BingoBoingo: 6. b4 c5

05:02:25 BingoBoingo: I think we are caught up to the current state of the game, moiety does this look right?

05:02:45 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Maybe paleo is wrong?

05:03:00 moiety: be3

05:03:10 moiety: fuck knows

05:03:43 BingoBoingo: moiety: I dunno how one of your bishops get to e3

05:04:26 moiety: ok

05:04:30 moiety: retract

05:04:32 BingoBoingo: Bc1-e3 right now seems blocked by your pawn at d3

05:04:34 BingoBoingo: *d2

05:04:41 moiety: i told you you should play with herbi

05:04:46 BingoBoingo: pawn at d2 blocks

05:05:08 BingoBoingo: moiety: Last time I played an aussie it was Vexual. That game was not pretty.

05:05:46 moiety: are they really good or really bad you mean?

05:05:53 bloctoc: has etheream been discussed in here yet?

05:06:02 bloctoc: ethereum

05:06:10 BingoBoingo: bloctoc: If by discussed you mean laughed at

05:06:14 moiety: i love chess and i would like to get better, i just didn't realise you meant playing so manually, it's above my station

05:06:19 jcpham: isn't that what they were growing on the ice planet hoth?

05:06:49 BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, get caught up on a board or board like website.

05:07:04 moiety: a2-a3

05:07:20 BingoBoingo: moiety: But yes, basically the is playing off of the minimum necessary information.

05:07:21 bitcoinpete: I must've heard the high praises of ethereum 45 times tonight.

05:07:33 bitcoinpete: Surpassed only by smart contracts

05:07:35 jcpham: fuck chess checkers is for real sophisticates

05:07:40 bitcoinpete: Oh, and howdy

05:07:43 BingoBoingo: cxb4

05:08:21 moiety: im determined, that counts right?

05:08:34 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: How many dicks could a dickchuck suck if a dickchuck could suck dick?

05:08:41 BingoBoingo: moiety: Sure

05:08:56 bloctoc: bitcoinpete where was that?

05:09:28 moiety: lolololol @ twister

05:09:29 jcpham: mircea_popescu this channel has AIDS or something

05:09:35 bitcoinpete: at our meet-up, or "meet-up",

05:09:35 bitcoinpete: at our meet-up, or "meet-up",

05:09:47 jcpham: next they'll be planning meet ups

05:10:00 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Meet up in which region?

05:10:09 herbijudlestoids: bloctoc: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2014&bots=true#444028

05:10:20 BingoBoingo: Springfield Missouri with Active Miner Ken?

05:10:47 moiety: nd3

05:10:48 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Thankfully not. In Canada.

05:11:10 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Then smoke a bowl with nubbins' and relax

05:11:44 BingoBoingo: moiety: Knights dun move that diretion...

05:11:52 moiety: you are such a good hostess after a few vodkas

05:11:56 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: My skepticism was confusing to most of them

05:12:01 moiety: i thought they went L, is that bishops

05:12:32 BingoBoingo: moiety: They do move in an L, but only that one size of L.

05:13:24 moiety: ive been taught it wrong then. i have been trying to move c1 to d3.

05:13:45 BingoBoingo: The L moiety is defined such that your knight at b1 could move to a3, c3, or d2

05:14:07 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Though I was able to show one that the vagaries of language are to contracts what kraft is to dinner

05:14:07 BingoBoingo: moiety: The piece you should have on c1 is a Bishop

05:14:24 herbijudlestoids: i feel like this is the best chess game ever

05:14:27 moiety: aw fuck i see whati got wrong

05:14:33 moiety: lol herbi!

05:14:38 herbijudlestoids: seriously

05:14:49 moiety: you're watching me learn here

05:14:50 BingoBoingo: I'm only getting drunker

05:14:50 bitcoinpete: I quite like that there's a chess game going on. Haven't noticed one before when reading the logs

05:15:08 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: They happen sporadically

05:15:11 moiety: as long as you aren't getting more annoyed thats fine

05:15:38 BingoBoingo: moiety: As long as you don't press for speed chess like truffles I'm fine

05:15:56 bitcoinpete: This is a truly fascinating corner of the net

05:16:01 herbijudlestoids: moiety: whats that saying..."never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" ...i feel like if anyone reasonably tried to match BingoBoingo they would lose...but you are winning at lulz here

05:16:04 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: It is indeed

05:16:04 moiety: lolol moiety and speed chess in the same sentence

05:16:24 moiety: well thats a win in my book herbi! :D

05:16:30 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I lose all of the time in chess

05:16:42 moiety: not today!

05:16:47 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: I've been reading the logs for the last few days after reading fraudsters for the last 8-9 months. It's about I made my way here

05:16:48 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: I've been reading the logs for the last few days after reading fraudsters for the last 8-9 months. It's about I made my way here

05:17:09 herbijudlestoids: bitcoinpete: do you know that your client is repeating lines?

05:17:16 BingoBoingo: Sweet Bitcoinpete, nice to see someone does the reading

05:17:35 moiety: g1-h4

05:17:54 BingoBoingo: ?g1-h3????

05:17:58 moiety: i'm saving for fraudsters, i haven't wanted a subscription before

05:18:02 moiety: ok ok hang on!

05:18:06 BingoBoingo: Those L's only come in one size

05:18:08 bitcoinpete: herbijudlestoids: did not… Any client suggestions for mac?

05:18:08 bitcoinpete: herbijudlestoids: did not… Any client suggestions for mac?

05:18:26 moiety: oh yeah i meant 3 not 4

05:18:29 herbijudlestoids: bitcoinpete: what are you using?

05:18:37 moiety: i'mbad for hopping extra, sorry

05:18:49 BingoBoingo: bxc3

05:18:53 herbijudlestoids: i would always recommend irssi, but its personal preference

05:18:53 bitcoinpete: herbijudlestoids: Lingo. It was free

05:18:53 bitcoinpete: herbijudlestoids: Lingo. It was free

05:19:24 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Maybe try a different client?

05:19:28 herbijudlestoids: bitcoinpete: try this one http://colloquy.info/ ...or xchat is pretty standard gui

05:19:54 BingoBoingo: Xchat is nice

05:20:09 MisterE: so they begrudgingly passed a debt ceiling bill

05:20:20 moiety: c3 - b4?

05:20:40 bitcoinpete: herbijudlestoids: much obliged

05:20:45 BingoBoingo: moiety: b4 took c3

05:20:54 MisterE: chess?

05:20:55 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: lol debt ceiling is a joke, right? considering QE to the tune of 80bn/month atm?

05:21:02 moiety: huh, i have a space

05:21:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00087099 = 21.9925 BTC [+] {2}

05:21:37 MisterE: herbijudlestoids: yea they could get their shit together and not need to raise it

05:21:43 MisterE: plenty of cash flowing in

05:21:45 herbijudlestoids: lel no they couldnt

05:21:50 MisterE: cur foreign aid and military

05:22:10 herbijudlestoids: budget deficit is > trade deficit

05:22:12 herbijudlestoids: ergo, QE

05:22:16 moiety: a3-a4

05:22:28 moiety: damnit i thought i stole a manny there

05:23:01 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: the debt is too large to be reasonably be paid back. it will be defaulted on or inflated away (stealth default) or similar.

05:23:20 herbijudlestoids: there is no hiding from the mathematics of that fact

05:23:22 BingoBoingo: cxd2+

05:23:31 MisterE: what they couldn't do is make the cuts they should / need to make because it would put a bunch of peopl eout of work

05:23:55 MisterE: yea thats why they started letting the dollar weaken

05:24:03 moiety: i'm back to smuxi, but i would really like to get BitchX going, i just couldn't get it to work

05:24:07 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: you do realise that foreign aid in toto, including military stuff, is 1% of the US budget?

05:24:19 herbijudlestoids: moiety: irssi > bitchx imo :)

05:24:21 BingoBoingo: moiety: Try Xchat with the SASL plugin

05:24:40 MisterE: that may be direct foregn cash aid but I doubt that covers military

05:25:00 BingoBoingo: moiety: Also cxd2+

05:25:01 moiety: ive got xchat. whinges at me all the time and smuix is cuter. will look up irssi herbi!

05:25:08 moiety: ah thanks!

05:25:27 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: ....2011 total military and economic assitance 50bn

05:25:31 MisterE: well if it is really that small then start whacking away at the defense and DHS / surveillance state budgets

05:25:33 moiety: oi no thanks, you took my dude there didnt you

05:25:47 MisterE: no way, they send just that much to Israel alone every year

05:25:49 BingoBoingo: moiety: Of course

05:25:57 MisterE: let alone Egypt, etc.

05:26:13 moiety: i'm telling mircea on you

05:26:16 mircea_popescu: bloctoc it doesn't seem to be popular. why do you ask ?

05:26:22 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: you are mistaken.

05:26:34 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: $3bn/annum to israel

05:26:39 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete do i know you from twittr ?

05:26:40 BingoBoingo: moiety: I'd be more worried if you told kakobrekla

05:27:09 MisterE: hmm I wonder how much $3bn could do for schools

05:27:20 moiety: why?

05:27:33 BingoBoingo: moiety: Because kakobrekla runs assbot

05:27:37 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: a lot probably. $3bn is huge in meatspace. dunno if you heard about this http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/12/occupy-wall-street-activists-15m-personal-debt (just 15mn)

05:27:44 MisterE: but thats a lot lower than I expected where are you getting numbers from?

05:27:45 bitcoinpete: member:mircea_popescu: If you remember me, I'd be flattered :D

05:27:57 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: where are *you* getting *your* numbers from?

05:28:07 moiety: i haven't really noticed assbot, i saw an ozbot.. and i like gribble a lot!

05:28:20 MisterE: I haven't been putting any out heh

05:28:35 herbijudlestoids: you said the US sends $50bn a year to israel.

05:28:51 bloctoc: just trying to find out if it's the real deal. I like the fact that certain operations get more hard coded over time and high use. It sounds a lot like how neural pathways get created. Other than that, it's pretty much the same group of folks evangelizing today that were evangelizing ripple last year.

05:28:53 moiety: bf4

05:29:09 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: I kept the same screen name with exactly that in mind

05:29:21 moiety: scrap that i dont know where my own men are

05:29:43 BingoBoingo: moiety: I'll post a pic

05:30:08 mircea_popescu: why's bitcoinpete saying things twice why's bitcoinpete saying things twice

05:30:28 moiety: f1-b5 im sure i can have

05:30:29 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: its not that im disagreeing with you on certain issues, but its impotant to have the correct information.

05:30:40 MisterE: Since 1974, Israel has received nearly $100 billion in assistance. OK thats less than I thought

05:30:44 MisterE: yea

05:30:58 herbijudlestoids: for example, because you have incorrect information, you believe the US can fix its problem, whereas i feel the monetary issue in the US has reached escape velocity

05:31:12 BingoBoingo: moiety: look at http://imgur.com/XQuzdoi first

05:31:21 herbijudlestoids: we now await the return to atmo

05:31:23 MisterE: well given the current mindset I agree

05:31:39 Mats_cd03: bitcoinpete: irccloud is great

05:31:42 MisterE: but we can all tighten our belts and balance our checkbooks if there is a real desire

05:31:44 BingoBoingo: moiety: You are in check so addressing that is priority 1

05:31:52 MisterE: Americans are too spoiled so will let it all go to hell instead

05:32:06 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: *we* have nothing to do with it, when the US Federal Reserve is QEing to the tune of 80bn/month

05:32:21 herbijudlestoids: they are printing cash to meet obligations and dumping it on your front lawn.

05:32:26 mircea_popescu: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/12/us-eu-banks-savings-idUSBREA1B1ZI20140212

05:32:27 ozbot: Exclusive: EU executive sees personal savings used to plug long-term financing gap

05:32:29 mircea_popescu: eu wants to steal pensions too!

05:32:36 MisterE: oh that's just the latest face of their printing presses running at full speed

05:32:47 MisterE: before QE it was direct cash injections into banks

05:32:50 MisterE: etc.

05:32:53 herbijudlestoids: ...

05:32:54 bitcoinpete: Mats_cd03: merci

05:33:12 herbijudlestoids: the point is that if everyone tightened their belt it has no relevance if on the other side of the field they are spewing tickets.

05:33:18 herbijudlestoids: make sense or not?

05:33:36 herbijudlestoids: austerity will not solve this problem

05:33:38 mircea_popescu: <bloctoc> " pretty much the same group of folks evangelizing today that were evangelizing ripple last year." and therein you have your answer.

05:33:50 mircea_popescu: same useless pile of crap, same troop of vultures, same spiel.

05:33:53 MisterE: yea it probaby has to go to hell for anything to ever be done about the fed

05:33:53 herbijudlestoids: just like putting a freeze on banker salaries does not stop certain banks from being giant black holes for capital

05:33:54 BingoBoingo: moiety: Study the board. You are down three pawns. I'm going to the garage to smoke a cigarette. Use these 5-7 minutes to come up with a plan.

05:34:00 MisterE: *sigh* humans suck

05:34:07 mircea_popescu: except this time they had the sense to stick to altspace and so i couldn't care less

05:34:11 KRS-One: i resemble that remark

05:34:43 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: hell or not i dunno...we are just talking about the obligations of the US Government otherwise called a dollar.

05:34:54 moiety: aww fuck man thats pretty different from mine

05:34:56 moiety: http://i.imgur.com/dDMRjAS.png

05:34:59 MisterE: which is not worth the paper it's printed on

05:35:11 MisterE: backed up by a stack of IOUs

05:35:20 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids austerity would in fact have solved the problem, back in FY 2009-2010, while creating ohter problems.

05:35:25 mircea_popescu: meanwhile i agree, it's escaped.

05:35:25 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: those two statements have *always* been true, at least since 1970s

05:35:25 MisterE: actually dollars are rags not paper

05:35:35 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: yes sure.

05:35:42 MisterE: yea true

05:35:48 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i dont disagree that GFC was a chance to rebalance

05:35:52 MisterE: there was a chance in the late 00s

05:35:59 moiety: well bloody b1 - d2 for a start bingo lol

05:36:46 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids just, there wasn't who to go on tv and say "you can either all starve and your kids can have a country to live in or else we continue derping around and we might as well just go buy the rope now. so i've chosen for you to starve, stfu and eat it with the big spoon"

05:36:52 moiety: aw herbi, hes got tons o my bits

05:37:19 herbijudlestoids: my feeling is that we will just continue to repeat the current boom/bust cycle until one of the cycles kills the dollar as a global reserve asset and the euro takes over

05:37:22 MisterE: mircea_popescu: American's can't handle that

05:37:24 BingoBoingo: moiety: I'm still smoking. CHeck the moves so far on this board http://htmlchess.sourceforge.net/demo/example.html

05:37:31 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids not one of. this is it.

05:37:39 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: highly likely.

05:37:42 mircea_popescu: MisterE their problem, cause nobody's askin what you can handle.

05:37:51 MisterE: they will be in the street with their guns, serious civil unrest

05:37:54 MisterE: they are spoiled

05:37:55 herbijudlestoids: i dont want to make predictions in this discussion, leave it to you

05:37:55 mircea_popescu: perfect.

05:38:02 mircea_popescu: ty ty.

05:38:11 MisterE: thats why I left 8-years ago and now live in Asia

05:38:14 herbijudlestoids: just trying to put my 2c out there

05:38:29 herbijudlestoids: 2satoshis even

05:38:35 MisterE: heh

05:38:53 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i was gonna say, you dun got 2 bitcents :D

05:39:05 herbijudlestoids: butthole, i do, i got just over 2

05:39:08 herbijudlestoids: i got 0.02BTC

05:39:52 MisterE: I tried to buy $100 of BTC at $5 and the site was all funky I could not figure how to get my money transfered in and so I let it go

05:40:00 MisterE: like 2-years ago

05:40:00 mircea_popescu: o hey wd!

05:40:15 mircea_popescu: btc was 30 2 years ago

05:40:26 MisterE: well, whenever it was 5

05:40:43 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: BTC was 30 three years ago, but not 2

05:40:47 mircea_popescu: fuck me no it wasn't

05:40:52 MisterE: ^ sounds more right

05:40:56 mircea_popescu: whoa how quickly we forget.

05:41:00 MisterE: err less wrong

05:41:07 MisterE: not us losers :p

05:41:11 MisterE: we dont forget

05:41:13 mircea_popescu: no, you're right, it was about 5 two years ago

05:41:27 BingoBoingo: BTC first hit $31 on the Adrian CHen Silk Road Story.

05:41:56 BingoBoingo: And two years ago was $5-11 because GLBSE scam and BTCST scam

05:42:34 BingoBoingo: Most of summer 2012 BTC was around 11 until the Pirate default.

05:42:44 BingoBoingo: Then it went down to $4

05:43:27 bitcoinpete: MisterE: At least you finally bought in. I get a kick out of people who were similarly unwilling to get past the exchange rigamarole and now say it's too expensive.

05:43:49 MisterE: pfft the upside is still exponential

05:44:00 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: DO you know Paul Graham.

05:44:05 MisterE: plus I been buying the dips

05:44:13 jcpham: where can i get bitcoins?

05:44:19 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: nope

05:44:21 jcpham: do i mine them?

05:44:27 bitcoinpete: Ha

05:44:33 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Shame, know any other VC's?

05:44:48 MisterE: If you live in a big city localbitcoins.com

05:45:02 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Not really, never needed to

05:45:03 jcpham: i trolling this chat is retarded to me

05:45:26 jcpham: i love hearing history lessons fromstrangers

05:45:37 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: If you find any I have a standing offer on my blog selling bullshit filering services.

05:46:29 jcpham: basically i hang out in these channels to scoop up your free info

05:46:47 MisterE: invoice is in the mail jcpham

05:46:57 BingoBoingo: lol jcpham that's how I finally made /.

05:46:57 herbijudlestoids: jcpham: nobody minds, better you get it here than elsewhere. if it was secret the chan'd be +k and half wouldnt bein here

05:47:16 jcpham: i'm just jaded

05:47:24 MisterE: actually expanding the community benefits us all

05:47:34 mircea_popescu: jcpham just a little trouble coping is all >D

05:47:37 herbijudlestoids: i have never met anyone as jaded as the likes of mircea_popescu or BingoBoingo lol

05:47:47 mircea_popescu: how am i jaded!

05:47:52 MisterE: jaded how?

05:47:55 herbijudlestoids: dude you are post jaded

05:47:56 BingoBoingo: I wonder that as well.

05:47:59 MisterE: lol

05:48:01 mircea_popescu: MisterE now do it in a pesci voice

05:48:02 MisterE: post-jaded

05:48:06 BingoBoingo: I am constantly in a state of wonder

05:48:15 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: haha k

05:48:15 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids what's you mean by jaded ?

05:48:31 jcpham: no fucks were given that day mircea_popescu

05:48:33 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: people who have seen enough to be unimpressed

05:48:35 jcpham: except every day

05:48:54 mircea_popescu: o that. i guess i'm jaded then.

05:49:08 jcpham: i've seen every bitcoin scam and they just repeat

05:49:09 herbijudlestoids: how do i call urban dictionary?

05:49:13 herbijudlestoids: ;;urban jaded

05:49:13 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: As I can tell the difference is MP has been shot where as I have merely had a shotgun pointed inches from my face

05:49:13 gribble: Error: "urban" is not a valid command.

05:49:19 BingoBoingo: ;;ud jaded

05:49:20 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jaded | jaded. The end result of having a steady flow of negative experiences, disappointment, and unfulfillment fed into a person where they get to the point where their ...

05:49:21 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: jaded

05:49:32 mircea_popescu: that'd be a little different :)

05:49:32 BingoBoingo: .bait

05:49:34 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ecuvzL6i1r09wbpo1_500.jpg

05:49:52 herbijudlestoids: hmm. i was hoping for a different definition

05:49:58 herbijudlestoids: hey yo i got a question about the baits!

05:50:03 herbijudlestoids: forgot, thhought of it last night

05:50:07 mircea_popescu: o look, she's all laided.

05:50:14 herbijudlestoids: why does ozbot not pull from imgur.com/r/gonewild?

05:50:21 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The baits have two cans, add a string and you too can be Gox

05:50:45 MisterE: :D

05:50:52 bitcoinpete: *sigh* I have a feeling I'm going to be spending more time here. Too early to tell whether that's a good thing but I'm inexplicably drawn in by this circus

05:51:04 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: im making my own exchange. with blackjack and hookers.

05:51:12 herbijudlestoids: bitcoinpete: tell me about it

05:51:19 MisterE: yea bitcoinpete the rest of the BTC channels are lame

05:51:30 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: You can just lurk, I mean look at the lsit online. It is the way of most people. IRC nearly demands it.

05:51:31 bitcoinpete: never tried the others

05:51:43 bitcoinpete: fraudsters pointed here

05:51:52 bitcoinpete: no one else pointed anywhere else so here I am

05:51:58 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids hopefully australia has better hookers than what they found in miami

05:52:00 BingoBoingo: You can try #bitcoin-otc if you like self induced concussions

05:52:09 mircea_popescu: o look, i have a captive audience.

05:52:11 MisterE: mircea_popescu: they do but their coke sucks

05:52:23 herbijudlestoids: wut MisterE sed

05:52:37 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Give East StL a try

05:52:39 herbijudlestoids: coke in london is what... $50/g?

05:52:41 bitcoinpete: mircea: just like you always dreamed

05:52:44 mircea_popescu: til that the sole path for bilirubin elimination is through the uridine diphosphate glucuronosyltransferase isoform 1A1

05:52:47 herbijudlestoids: coke in sydney, half the purity of that of london is $300/g

05:53:04 MisterE: haha

05:53:17 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: you dont research your poop enough

05:53:31 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids actually... there's a fraudsters article on the subject

05:53:36 BingoBoingo: I tell you all magnesium citrate is a hell of a way to pass a drug test

05:53:45 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters de ce e cacatul maro

05:53:46 gribble: Trilenciclopedia pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/trilenciclopedia/; Martie 2010 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2010/03

05:53:54 mircea_popescu: literally, inquires and explains why shit's brown

05:54:08 bitcoinpete: well whaddya know

05:54:20 herbijudlestoids: oh...ok..well i already inquired and got the explanation to that q long ago :)

05:54:32 mircea_popescu: im slow.

05:54:38 bitcoinpete: I don't remember that from biochem 200 or physl 2xx.

05:54:55 MisterE: what language is that site in?

05:54:58 bitcoinpete: And my mom didn't teach me romanian...

05:55:01 BingoBoingo: I haven't had a bio class since 7th grade.

05:55:03 herbijudlestoids: almost at 300ATC :)

05:55:05 MisterE: Romanian?

05:55:56 mircea_popescu: romanian.

05:56:43 herbijudlestoids: ;;calc 62700/2621404453

05:56:44 gribble: 2.39184761925e-05

05:56:56 herbijudlestoids: ^ current ATC/BTC difficulty implied price

05:57:04 mircea_popescu: 239 ?

05:57:10 bitcoinpete: I had two romanian architects living with me all summer

05:57:21 herbijudlestoids: ;;calc 31350/2911847381

05:57:21 gribble: 1.07663609723e-05

05:57:23 mircea_popescu: you run an architect boarding house ?

05:57:30 herbijudlestoids: ^^ next diff implied price

05:57:31 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On Doge terms that is 20k satoshis

05:57:32 bitcoinpete: in the off-season

05:57:55 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo e-05 would be 5 zeroes. so that's 3 digit satoshi price

05:58:05 bitcoinpete: they loved Jaime Oliver and cooked up a storm

05:58:14 bitcoinpete: My townhouse had a new stink every night

05:58:19 mircea_popescu: all romanians worth the name can cook.

05:58:36 herbijudlestoids: gribble reports it in 'hard-for-retards-to-understand' format... ; 62700/2621404453 ~0.00002391847619250229

05:58:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But Altcoin rules, ignore 3 of the zeros like Doge does.

05:58:48 bitcoinpete: The "husband" would spend hours slaving over the stove while the "wife" would read

05:59:10 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete now that's emancipated. were they in their 20s ?

06:01:03 herbijudlestoids: i bought some books before i got sick...graham greene "our man in havana" (i own almost all his novels now) and flaubert "madame bovary"

06:01:12 herbijudlestoids: anyone read flaubert?

06:01:13 BingoBoingo: You know who is emaciated, those creepy ass ski jumpers

06:01:32 bitcoinpete: mid-late 20s

06:01:56 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I did and then I buried it with crap

06:01:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.0008717 = 5.5353 BTC [+] {2}

06:01:58 bitcoinpete: also big fans of QI, Top Gear, and America's Next Top Model

06:02:34 herbijudlestoids: how can QI be put in the same line with Top Gear and Americas Next Top Model

06:02:37 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: DO you have Hulu where you are at?

06:03:34 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: appreciate the review ;)

06:04:11 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Well I ask about Hulu because Appilacian Outlaws is the best reality show for understanding Bitcoin.

06:04:29 herbijudlestoids: haha i was talking about flaubert!

06:04:33 herbijudlestoids: dude how drunk are you

06:04:43 herbijudlestoids: youre approaching vex on sat night levels

06:05:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00086675 = 13.608 BTC [-] {3}

06:05:49 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I'm trying to talk to bitcoinpete about tv shows. I am barely drunk.

06:06:17 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: If you think I am so intoxicated are you up for a game after this one with moiety is over?

06:06:38 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: I don't have Hulu. Just got Netflixes

06:06:38 herbijudlestoids: no, you owe me one discussion about turtle F2F, retroshare and why you use neither.

06:06:59 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Because anonymity is over rated

06:06:59 herbijudlestoids: although i did learn today that retroshares routing algorithm is in fact inspired by turtle

06:07:12 herbijudlestoids: its F2F, not anonymous?

06:07:17 BingoBoingo: turtle is decent for a private net.

06:07:31 BingoBoingo: But on public nets you have to account for the meta-NSA

06:07:51 BingoBoingo: meta-NSA has the solution to all crypto in a drawer

06:08:26 BingoBoingo: The only way to deal with meta-NSA is to invite them to lick your balls

06:09:23 herbijudlestoids: can you pls clarify, private net == LAN? or private net == F2F VPN

06:09:47 BingoBoingo: Private net is a net where you know all participants.

06:09:53 herbijudlestoids: yep thx

06:10:16 herbijudlestoids: i dont think turtle/retroshare is designed as anything but...definitely not for public net

06:10:17 BingoBoingo: Turtle routing is great for that. You can all watch 12 years an Oscar winnrar on that

06:10:36 mrkent: Anyone know where the ASIC Miner direct share spreadsheet is?

06:11:08 BingoBoingo: mrkent: I dunno that such a thing exists

06:11:18 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: so the reason you dont use it? got no friends?

06:12:13 mrkent: BingoBoingo, how do people trade direct shares?

06:12:13 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Nah.

06:12:17 herbijudlestoids: mrkent: talkin bout this? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPdXsQFT-vIdHRVUjQ5Ql9BQWR6OENLMkhyUktUblE#gid=0

06:12:28 BingoBoingo: mrkent: Talk to fry'd kitty

06:12:54 BingoBoingo: Nd5

06:13:36 BingoBoingo: moiety: Your move again

06:14:40 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The reason to dislike that stuff is IRL friends are too cool for internet crimes

06:14:45 moiety: d2-c4

06:15:16 mrkent: herbijudlestoids, no i thought there was one where it displays which address owns which shares

06:15:24 BingoBoingo: Bg7xa1

06:15:33 herbijudlestoids: mrkent: sorry, cant help, i just pulled that off google

06:15:49 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: yea fair enough. i also get the feeling that retroshare might not have the highest code quality

06:16:09 mrkent: np thanks

06:16:14 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I can't trust that the petty shit isn't backdoored from the start

06:16:39 BingoBoingo: I've got misdemeanor charges to still fight

06:17:10 herbijudlestoids: lel

06:18:07 moiety: thanks for making me homeless, prick

06:18:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26398 @ 0.0008723 = 23.027 BTC [+] {2}

06:18:33 BingoBoingo: Can't just roll over and eat a fine. Have to convince that states attorney that if this is how he fight a misdemeanor a felony can't be worth prosecuting

06:18:53 herbijudlestoids: i was supposed to be in bed recuperating but who can sleep when the greatest chess match of all time is happening in -assets

06:19:06 BingoBoingo: moiety: It's fine, just maybe try going on the offensive for a change?

06:19:19 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: stick it to the man!

06:19:34 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I've actually lost in this chan

06:19:36 moiety: :P

06:20:06 moiety: you know im kidding

06:20:41 BingoBoingo: moiety: I know, but seriously where is your aggression. You were white? Where are the whips?

06:21:06 moiety: oh i thought you thought i was being too agressive

06:21:40 BingoBoingo: moiety: No, It's like you have spent the entire game as an Olympic snowboarder is a green haze.

06:21:58 moiety: sounds good to me....

06:22:19 moiety: i can say it is much easier now i can see the board

06:22:51 BingoBoingo: moiety: Well you have two moves before things becomem hopeless.

06:23:05 moiety: go have another drink

06:23:10 BingoBoingo: moiety: Force me to do something other than end you.

06:23:42 BingoBoingo: shit, I only have 3 inches of Vodka left in this fifth

06:25:50 BingoBoingo: http://imgur.com/91SYf9M

06:25:51 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

06:26:43 moiety: h3-g5

06:27:22 BingoBoingo: Bc3+

06:27:57 moiety: omg did you see that http://imgur.com/gallery/1r9nx lol

06:28:51 BingoBoingo: moiety: This is an anti Doge channel. The best Doge thing to come out of here was selling Sochi DOge skins to the slants.

06:29:45 moiety: im not particularly pro doge... really is everywhere is all.

06:30:21 BingoBoingo: moiety: And how can I be racist. I am black. You moved first trying to colonize my half of the board.

06:30:23 moiety: ive never seen anything in the centre of a letter on google results, its bizarre

06:30:23 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: +1 for thinkpad, -999999999 for unity.

06:30:48 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Unity on FreeBSD ain't bad though.

06:30:54 moiety: and what did you just do

06:31:07 BingoBoingo: moiety: Bc3+

06:31:15 moiety: :s ness

06:32:25 moiety: nvm

06:32:36 herbijudlestoids: y...youre using unity on fbsd?

06:32:43 herbijudlestoids: okkk

06:33:09 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I won't confirm or deny it. Maybe Open BSD, maybe NetBSD, maybe FreeBSD.

06:33:27 moiety: jeeves** not google

06:33:28 BingoBoingo: Unity is awfully portable though and better than GNOME Shell

06:34:09 BingoBoingo: I also don't much trust that false successor to gnome 2

06:34:20 herbijudlestoids: yea gnome3 stole my heart and then broke it

06:34:24 herbijudlestoids: iv been using xfce since

06:34:54 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Maybe you need an actual substance abuse problem like me. That might bring your mind to sense.

06:35:05 herbijudlestoids: how do you know i dont have one?

06:35:24 BingoBoingo: By substance I mean Bitcoin. An Aristotelian substance.

06:35:28 herbijudlestoids: lel

06:35:35 BingoBoingo: I have had so much and squandered so much.

06:35:38 herbijudlestoids: good save

06:36:00 BingoBoingo: Not a save herbijudlestoids, an actual meaning

06:36:40 BingoBoingo: Actual meaning refering to "is does something"

06:38:24 BingoBoingo: I really dunno what all the Unity hate is over anyways

06:38:54 BingoBoingo: It isn't like it has a niggers.txt file

06:39:30 BingoBoingo: Like gnome shell does

06:40:29 moiety: g5-h3

06:41:05 moiety: sorry trying to change my gpg key and failing

06:41:22 BingoBoingo: moiety: can't do that, you are in check

06:42:22 BingoBoingo: moiety: You have to take, interpose, or move to address my Bishop on c3

06:42:23 moiety: hang on have i moved you to the wrong place

06:43:00 moiety: g2-h3

06:43:09 moiety: c3

06:43:15 moiety: g2-c3

06:43:25 moiety: i meant c3 before as well

06:43:41 BingoBoingo: ? is that a move?

06:44:00 moiety: why not

06:44:20 BingoBoingo: How does your pawn on g2 get to c3?

06:44:45 moiety: g2 has a dude, no it is h3, why am i not allowed that

06:45:01 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete by the way, the circus you see ? this is the house of a free market. that's how one looks, circus-y

06:45:02 moiety: g2-h3

06:45:36 BingoBoingo: moiety: Because you are in check. Your king is in imminent danger. The Bishop on c3 threatens to take it.

06:45:59 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids yes i read flaubert.

06:46:07 moiety: i thought bishops can only move diagonally

06:46:13 mircea_popescu: try bouvard & pecuchet sometime

06:46:13 BingoBoingo: You have to kill my Bishop, Block its attack, or evacuate your king

06:46:22 mircea_popescu: it's like... the history of forum finance.

06:46:44 BingoBoingo: moiety: My bishop is attacking your king on a diagonal

06:46:58 moiety: http://i.imgur.com/pc7dZkP.png

06:47:01 herbijudlestoids: hmm mircea_popescu thx i will check it out at the bookstore. any thoughts on madame bovary?

06:47:26 moiety: i see what i did

06:47:32 Duffer1: russians; pretty good at skating, who knew

06:48:59 MisterE: might print up a couple of these if u travel. https://twitter.com/uhf_satcom

06:49:00 MisterE: doh!

06:49:00 moiety: bingo i think he is fucked

06:49:21 BingoBoingo: moiety: You are doing better than truffles. I'm uploading a pic again to sync to http://imgur.com/4P4KaSc

06:50:03 moiety: e1 - f2 and is it not my queen?

06:50:43 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids plenty.

06:50:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [+] {3}

06:50:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-] {2}

06:50:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2}

06:50:52 BingoBoingo: moiety: Your king can do that. I'm going to take a garage cigarette break. Ask yourself if that is the BEST move.

06:50:53 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: just out of morbid curiosity, what is wrong with ...xchess, for example?

06:51:06 herbijudlestoids: why must it be played over irc

06:51:15 mircea_popescu: there's a fraudsters post from back in 2009 where some romanian studying at the sorbonne who dared not like it is excruciated by my readership.

06:51:24 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Mostly sloppy coding and weird errors

06:51:38 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: good answer

06:51:59 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: pls link? ill feed it to google translate (assuming its in romani)

06:52:03 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Xchess demands on particular font most don't have to work even halfway

06:52:12 mircea_popescu: wtf retarded game of chess is that ?!

06:52:30 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Stallman board version

06:52:44 mircea_popescu: but i mean... o wait, moiety is white huh

06:52:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00087234 = 2.9223 BTC [+]

06:52:51 BingoBoingo: Yeah

06:52:52 mircea_popescu: hon you're not very good at this :D

06:53:09 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids http://fraudsters.com/2009/flaubert-suntem-noi/

06:53:28 mircea_popescu: curious what gt can make out of multi-layered meaning cake a la fraudsters & its peanut gallery

06:53:34 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: She's prolly ready to beat truffles

06:53:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00296392 = 2.9639 BTC [-] {12}

06:53:56 moiety: lol nope :D but i will get better mircea_popescu!

06:54:59 herbijudlestoids: o ffs

06:55:07 herbijudlestoids: google translate caught by the subscription page

06:55:27 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: It nearly always is

06:55:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]

06:56:06 BingoBoingo: I remember paying half a BTC for fraudsters credits and losing the cookie, because webchat

06:56:48 BingoBoingo: fraudsters is worth it enough though that I keep a hot cookie

06:57:20 moiety: yep e1-f2

06:57:50 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: surely cookie is not the only thing tying fraudsters to your payment?

06:58:19 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: It actually is because fraudsters is built the right way.

06:58:47 BingoBoingo: Nc6

06:58:48 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids anyway, among the commenters corina is the letters dept head of i don't recall which kind at the cluj university, als is a meanwhile deceased faggoty movie critic of great repute, esk is the chick in question and so on

06:58:57 BingoBoingo: Nb-c6

06:59:20 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: pls hold while i rip the text into gt manually

06:59:23 moiety: g1-h7

06:59:30 MisterE: what is this truffles I keep hearing about?

06:59:44 mircea_popescu: MisterE when you bareback a chick with diabethes.

06:59:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087171 = 7.7146 BTC [-]

07:00:01 MisterE: thats perfectly OK

07:00:02 mircea_popescu: no wait. you have the diabethes. she has a yeast infection.

07:00:09 MisterE: oh no

07:00:15 MisterE: Yeast is a no go

07:00:20 BingoBoingo: moiety: You have nothing on g1

07:00:53 moiety: i think im number dyslexic, g5-h7

07:02:20 BingoBoingo: Bd4+

07:02:50 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: here is the translated article. will do comments once iv read http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QTQVnWbt

07:03:21 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids it may surprise you to know i have access to my own articles :D

07:03:55 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: you were curious what the translate looked like?

07:04:17 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: He is always curious what right translations look like

07:04:20 mircea_popescu: yeah but i loaded up gt

07:04:24 herbijudlestoids: ah right lol

07:04:29 herbijudlestoids: so far ineligible

07:04:32 moiety: f2-e1 retreaaat

07:04:43 BingoBoingo: right translations of fraudsters are... challenging though

07:04:59 herbijudlestoids: "Notice how not even offer me eat my own ears"

07:05:05 BingoBoingo: KxNe7

07:06:06 BingoBoingo: *KxNh7

07:06:57 BingoBoingo: I need to drink moar

07:07:03 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: it's a salty circus, which is good because I might actually learn something

07:07:08 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids ineligible means which can't be chosen

07:07:14 mircea_popescu: uninteligible however...

07:07:20 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: yes

07:07:24 moiety: i cant do that BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/fsai0zd.png

07:07:39 moiety: your king is d8 right

07:08:00 mircea_popescu: and since we're on it, inedible = uneatable, indelible = uneraseable.

07:08:02 herbijudlestoids: retarded mircea_popescu i meant illegible.

07:08:09 herbijudlestoids: <-retard

07:08:09 BingoBoingo: moiety: My king was on G8 because castling

07:08:13 BingoBoingo: That 0-0

07:08:17 mircea_popescu: but you're legging it just fine :D

07:08:37 mircea_popescu: لآن الشيء نفسه سوف اهتزت كثيرا، " الفوضى " هي جميع أنواع << this is illegible

07:09:12 herbijudlestoids: haha

07:09:13 moiety: then how are we on the same moves?

07:09:29 herbijudlestoids: Me: see the Latin spoken in cambridge . mo got toothache at one point I roared in the room STOP ! Hammertime !

07:09:30 BingoBoingo: moiety: Last pick I snapped should reveal where my king has been

07:09:42 BingoBoingo: moiety: As would the previous pic

07:09:50 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: please upload a short video of yourself yelling STOP! Hammertime! to youtube.

07:10:02 mircea_popescu: it's a metaphore.

07:10:03 moiety: pics didnt help making moves as theyhad to be in order

07:10:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00087171 = 16.1266 BTC [-]

07:10:09 mircea_popescu: i just excused myself and left.

07:10:46 BingoBoingo: 0.01 BTC reward to the person who can name the Greek who was good at chaos.

07:10:51 moiety: both pics do have something on d8

07:10:52 mircea_popescu: tho i did use to wear a fro

07:10:56 BingoBoingo: moiety: Remember that 0-0 though

07:11:08 moiety: yeah i guessed tha

07:11:15 BingoBoingo: moiety: My queen is still on d8 where it started

07:11:28 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: eris

07:11:41 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Not the clitus I am thinking of

07:11:45 herbijudlestoids: wut!

07:11:46 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : Eρις

07:11:53 mircea_popescu: whose name reads just like epic

07:12:02 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: do you actually refer to chaos...

07:12:09 herbijudlestoids: chaos itself was a greek god

07:12:11 BingoBoingo: I was thinking of Heraclitus.

07:12:16 mircea_popescu: goddes

07:12:20 herbijudlestoids: wutttt

07:12:21 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: How can a chasm be a god

07:12:22 mircea_popescu: eris was a bitch

07:12:42 BingoBoingo: it is like saying a vagina is a bunch of matter.

07:13:04 herbijudlestoids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_%28mythology%29

07:13:05 ozbot: Eris (mythology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

07:13:08 BingoBoingo: When the vagina is defined by the lack of matter in its chaos

07:14:02 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I also sought a person rather than a fictional catch all

07:14:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04660001 = 0.233 BTC [-]

07:14:12 herbijudlestoids: "For Hesiod and the early Greek Olympian myth (8th century BC), Chaos was the first of the primordial deities, followed by Earth (Gaia), Tartarus and Eros (Love).[16] From Chaos came Erebus and Nyx.[17]"

07:14:30 herbijudlestoids: but i would always answer fnord...i mean eris ...to that question...

07:14:35 BingoBoingo: Yes, from chaos, from her slit.

07:15:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00087283 = 22.7809 BTC [+] {3}

07:15:30 BingoBoingo: If I asked for a Dago, supposing a real person Vito Corleone would be under Mussolini every day of the week.

07:15:41 herbijudlestoids: lel

07:16:02 herbijudlestoids: fair enough, i knew the answer only from my reading of the principia discordia...im not actually cultured :P

07:16:51 moiety: i cant find gpg on freenode

07:17:38 herbijudlestoids: moiety: what do you mean? gpg is software...gnupg...

07:18:03 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Well, remember the chaos isn't the whole cunt, but merely the pleasant absence where the dick goes within the cunt

07:18:34 bitcoinpete: goddesses make me think of Citroens

07:19:18 moiety: in that room herbi, hopefully someone is around soon

07:19:54 herbijudlestoids: moiety: if you need any help with gpg i doubt anyone is more qualified than people in this room :)

07:20:23 herbijudlestoids: what are you trying to do?

07:20:44 moiety: all i want to do is chage my email address

07:20:47 moiety: change

07:21:19 moiety: i try uid bringsuo the key, try deluid tells me to select one

07:21:25 moiety: brings up*

07:21:38 herbijudlestoids: moiety: here you go https://coderwall.com/p/tx_1-g

07:22:20 herbijudlestoids: you dont really need to deluid, just revoke it

07:22:26 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: That is one way BTC beats GPG (and there are few

07:22:28 herbijudlestoids: (with revuid)

07:22:36 moiety: right kk

07:23:05 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: sorry you lost me, in which way does BTC beat GPG?

07:23:34 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: In the way that anything *id is mutable until it is confirmed.

07:23:39 herbijudlestoids: yer

07:23:40 moiety: just keeps saying you must select at least ne user id, ive tried typing it in a million different ways

07:23:48 BingoBoingo: This shit Gox is bitching about is a strength

07:25:23 herbijudlestoids: moiety: in which command? gpg --edit-key ? it should just be gpg --edit-key moiety@moiety.moiety

07:29:32 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i prefer democritus to heraclitus but it might be my childhood exposure to him talking

07:30:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.1221 = 1.4652 BTC [-]

07:30:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.074 = 0.888 BTC [-]

07:30:37 mircea_popescu: you heard democritus talking ?

07:30:54 herbijudlestoids: poorly constructed sentence

07:31:02 BingoBoingo: Must be one of those mythical baby boomers

07:31:23 herbijudlestoids: as in, the childhood exposure to democritus is talking to me, and convincing me that i prefer one to the other

07:32:57 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids actually it was fine, it'd have been his talking to be what i pretended it to be. just a little trolling :D

07:33:38 herbijudlestoids: luvz2betrolz

07:34:38 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You up for a game?

07:35:10 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i was about to go for long walk to get some dinners

07:35:24 herbijudlestoids: still around in a few hours?

07:36:10 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Who knows?

07:37:12 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: mm its only 1830. lets play a game, im sure you wont take long to beat me

07:37:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16951 @ 0.00086989 = 14.7455 BTC [-] {2}

07:37:42 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: My game against moiety is still ongooing

07:38:08 herbijudlestoids: ok..well ill ping you later then :)

07:44:33 bitcoinpete: Bon sour, mes amis. It's been a pleasure breaking the ice.

07:44:45 bitcoinpete: soir*

07:45:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-]

07:47:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.19376446 = 2.3252 BTC [+]

07:47:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3799 @ 0.0008672 = 3.2945 BTC [-]

08:05:49 Nick_Fly|2: is anyone here?

08:06:54 mircea_popescu: yes.

08:07:01 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-]

08:10:03 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-]

08:10:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1221 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2}

08:10:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [-]

08:10:20 BingoBoingo: http://www.hulu.com/watch/159193#i0,p0,s10,d0 essential watching before Robocop II

08:10:46 nick_fly: Guys, help me! I'm stuck in Ukraine because of this revolution and I can not go home. But then the border guard offers to give him a bribe and he will miss me. He told that accepts BTC. I know it's sounds like a joke, but tom? it's totally not fun!!! Donate as much as you can.

08:10:53 mircea_popescu: revolution ?!

08:11:04 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-]

08:11:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

08:11:48 nick_fly: google "maidan ukrain"

08:12:40 cazalla: ukranian eh

08:12:40 cazalla: you know phil leotardo got mistaken for a ukrainia

08:12:45 nick_fly: You are my last hope=(

08:13:08 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Ukraine_is_not_a_Brothel-Maidan-3.jpg

08:13:11 mircea_popescu: check it out, naked chicks.

08:13:22 mircea_popescu: hey, do you know the topless bunch, what's their name

08:13:47 nick_fly: Pussy Riot?

08:14:00 moiety: wth is going on in that pic

08:14:11 nick_fly: I would not come here if not for work. Please! Heeeelp!!!

08:14:37 mircea_popescu: yeah, that's right, pussy riot.

08:14:59 mircea_popescu: moiety a dancer girl is looking for her contacts ?

08:15:36 moiety: mircea_popescu: those guys must have paid for them, they look really pissed of she's lost them

08:16:03 cazalla: dhl

08:16:04 cazalla: el package express

08:16:14 nick_fly: i'm here for 3 days, can't pass the border

08:16:15 mircea_popescu: seems the sort of thing final year performing arts kids would be doing

08:16:22 nick_fly: will anyone help me?

08:16:33 mircea_popescu: nick_fly you know is actually in belarus, right ?

08:16:41 nick_fly: it's proxy

08:16:58 nick_fly: local provider blocks me

08:17:22 mircea_popescu: cause of the revolution ?

08:17:51 nick_fly: ccertainly

08:18:39 moiety: bingo's being kind enough to just restart fresh board. i move d4

08:18:52 nick_fly: when i came here, the first question i have been asked was "going to "EuroMaidan"?

08:19:03 BingoBoingo: 1. d4 d5

08:19:11 nick_fly: mircea_popescu: help pls

08:19:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [-]

08:19:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-]

08:19:51 mircea_popescu: why did you go there anyway

08:20:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]

08:20:30 moiety: herbi herbi herbi

08:20:49 moiety: nc3

08:21:16 nick_fly: mircea_popescu: to sign a contract for the supply of water. Does it important?

08:21:32 BingoBoingo: c6

08:21:39 mircea_popescu: not really to me, no. mostly to you.

08:21:59 nick_fly: mircea_popescu: yeah

08:22:13 nick_fly: 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx as much as you can

08:22:29 mircea_popescu: so who were you signing water supply contracts for /

08:22:49 BingoBoingo: nick_fly: 0.01 BTC for a sharpie in your pooper with Bingo on the left asscheek and Boingo on your right asscheek

08:23:22 moiety: na4 BingoBoingo

08:23:49 nick_fly: my boss send me here. it's some kind of healing water

08:24:01 BingoBoingo: Nf6 moiety

08:24:07 mircea_popescu: well so then why isn't your boss getting you out ?

08:24:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+]

08:24:30 nick_fly: have you ever heard of ever heard of Borjomi?

08:24:48 BingoBoingo: nick_fly: get your boss here it won't be the value I offered you.

08:24:56 nick_fly: he don't care

08:25:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15549 @ 0.00087291 = 13.5729 BTC [+] {2}

08:25:25 moiety: BingoBoingo: c4

08:25:32 BingoBoingo: nick_fly: He as you boss could do 5 laundry markers for 0.02 BTC

08:25:50 nick_fly: he don't even know what is BTC

08:26:08 BingoBoingo: Qa5+ moiety

08:27:17 moiety: my thing doesnt register that, what are you meaning

08:27:42 BingoBoingo: moiety: Queen to a5, check

08:27:43 nick_fly: guys, i can't discuss here for a long time. access to the internet here is VERY! expensive to me. Please help ANYONE!!!!!!!

08:27:45 moiety: nvm

08:28:02 nick_fly: 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx as much as you can

08:28:02 BingoBoingo: nick_fly: Freedom isn't free.

08:28:16 nick_fly: it's not funny

08:28:21 BingoBoingo: nick_fly: Freedom simply means, nothing left to lose

08:28:53 nick_fly: Imagine yourself in my place. IT'S NOT FUNNY!

08:30:06 moiety: bishop - d2

08:30:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28267 @ 0.00087353 = 24.6921 BTC [+] {2}

08:30:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2228 @ 0.00012661 = 0.2821 BTC [-] {5}

08:30:51 BingoBoingo: Qd8

08:31:10 nick_fly: BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: help please

08:31:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12772 @ 0.00012023 = 1.5356 BTC [-] {4}

08:31:30 BingoBoingo: nick_fly: Open your sphincter first

08:31:57 nick_fly: implore you

08:33:02 BingoBoingo: nick_fly: 0.01BTC for a sharpie in your pooper

08:33:31 mircea_popescu: nick_fly apparently some georgian mineral water.

08:33:48 mircea_popescu: never had it myself. is it any good ?

08:35:47 moiety: ev BingoBoingo

08:35:50 moiety: e4*

08:36:15 BingoBoingo: Nxe4

08:36:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55000002 = 1.1 BTC [-] {2}

08:37:31 nick_fly: heeey

08:39:42 nick_fly: I left for 7-8 minutes until the end of Internet access. SOMEONE!!!! HELP!!!! AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!!! 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx

08:39:57 BingoBoingo: nick_fly: If you want anything you can put a sharpie in your pooper or jump the country fence

08:40:14 BingoBoingo: nick_fly: http://www.hulu.com/watch/159192#i0,p0,s10,d0

08:40:16 mircea_popescu: yeah, kinda lukewarm entertainment value so far.

08:42:06 nick_fly: BingoBoingo: can be seen only from the usa. GUYS.... aaaaaa. heeeeeelp

08:42:30 nick_fly: mircea_popescu: i'v? read about you. i know you can help.

08:43:04 nick_fly: mircea_popescu: i'm not asking as much as openBSD asked. just as much as you can

08:43:17 nick_fly: or as you want

08:43:18 mircea_popescu: lmao

08:43:25 BingoBoingo: nick_fly: You could still get BTC from sharpie in pooper

08:44:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.54540204 = 2.727 BTC [-] {4}

08:44:49 BingoBoingo: nick_fly: Great victories only come from great sacrifices... of dignity

08:45:04 MisterE: I wonder if we'll see more miners hedge their bet with fpgas which can be useful for other stuff they can get paid for

08:46:11 nick_fly: the last time - will anyone help me? i can't be here more. please if you have any kindness

08:46:12 nick_fly: 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx

08:46:16 mircea_popescu: least likely thing for a miner to hedge with

08:47:23 BingoBoingo: nick_fly: I am offering to pay, but only if you entertain first

08:47:41 nick_fly: how?!?!?!

08:48:36 moiety: BingoBoingo: Ba5

08:49:06 BingoBoingo: moiety: Qxa5+

08:49:06 nick_fly: BingoBoingo: i'll do everything i can. please, ? have to help me

08:49:43 BingoBoingo: nick_fly: I offered a way to help yourself for 0.01 BTC

08:51:00 moiety: BingoBoingo: Ke2

08:51:47 BingoBoingo: Bg4+

08:51:59 moiety: can i keep two emails on one key?

08:52:38 BingoBoingo: moiety: Yeah, but that is the least of details

08:53:18 moiety: i know being destroyed is priority

08:54:04 moiety: ke3

08:55:10 BingoBoingo: Bxd1

08:55:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.074 = 1.11 BTC [-]

08:55:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.1221 = 1.8315 BTC [-]

08:56:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+]

08:56:50 moiety: you bastard

08:57:06 moiety: she didnt do anything to you

08:57:47 moiety: rxd1

08:59:02 BingoBoingo: Nf6

09:02:10 moiety: Nc5

09:04:26 BingoBoingo: Ng4+

09:05:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00087384 = 4.5877 BTC [+]

09:08:45 moiety: kf3

09:08:47 mircea_popescu: those 7-8 minutes lasted a while.

09:11:03 MisterE: why least likely hedge mircea_popescu? That's the fastest tradeoff you get short of asic?

09:11:09 BingoBoingo: Ne5+

09:15:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00087384 = 8.4762 BTC [+] {2}

09:15:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0749995 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2}

09:17:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-]

09:18:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

09:18:25 moiety: ke2 :(

09:22:26 BingoBoingo: Nxc4

09:26:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16536 @ 0.00087375 = 14.4483 BTC [-] {2}

09:30:27 KRS-One: btc-e is down, rumors is that it was taken down perm

09:31:03 BingoBoingo: lol

09:31:33 moiety: Nxb7

09:33:02 BingoBoingo: Qxa2

09:34:24 mircea_popescu: MisterE they could (and do) hedge by putting btc on the bitbet diff bets

09:34:39 mircea_popescu: they could (and perhaps to a smaller degree d0) hedge by trading diff futures

09:35:01 mircea_popescu: buying fpgas is not unlike buying taxicabs. not much to do with anything.

09:36:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37224 @ 0.00087209 = 32.4627 BTC [-] {3}

09:40:46 moiety: i cant reverse my last one rc1

09:41:50 BingoBoingo: Qxb2+

09:42:20 herbijudlestoids: i haz returned

09:43:02 moiety: kd1

09:43:08 moiety: im still losing!

09:43:13 moiety: wb!

09:43:22 herbijudlestoids: hehe, did you sort out your gpg key?

09:44:32 BingoBoingo: moiety: Qd2++

09:44:35 BingoBoingo: Good game

09:45:37 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You ready for a game?

09:46:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27405 @ 0.00087105 = 23.8711 BTC [-] {3}

09:46:59 herbijudlestoids: sure, BingoBoingo give me 5 to browse the algebraic notation page for chess

09:47:07 BingoBoingo: K

09:47:12 moiety: ok be honest, how often could you have finished it before BingoBoingo?!

09:47:21 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You prefer white or black?

09:47:37 BingoBoingo: moiety: I doubt he followed too close

09:47:44 moiety: and i did herbi! thanks :D

09:48:09 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: happy to flip on it

09:48:29 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Heads or tails?

09:49:03 moiety: no BingoBoingo i was sking you how much you let we away with lol

09:49:04 herbijudlestoids: heads pls

09:49:09 moiety: asking*

09:49:12 BingoBoingo: ;;coin

09:49:13 gribble: tails

09:49:24 herbijudlestoids: ok i think i understand

09:49:30 herbijudlestoids: pls pull me up on any mistakes re notation

09:49:34 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: tails, I prefer black. Your move.

09:49:39 moiety: was fun with the board that

09:49:47 moiety: :D

09:50:19 herbijudlestoids: e4

09:50:36 BingoBoingo: d6

09:51:27 herbijudlestoids: b3

09:51:42 BingoBoingo: Nf6

09:52:30 herbijudlestoids: Nc3

09:52:41 BingoBoingo: g6

09:53:09 herbijudlestoids: Rb1

09:53:54 BingoBoingo: Bg7

09:55:32 herbijudlestoids: Bc4

09:55:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC

09:55:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08199 = 0.164 BTC [+] {2}

09:55:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00087425 = 11.2778 BTC [+] {2}

09:56:29 BingoBoingo: 0-0

09:56:55 herbijudlestoids: how do i do the 0-0 on the html board

09:58:01 herbijudlestoids: got it

09:58:17 BingoBoingo: Ke8 to g8 and rook h8 to f8

09:59:38 herbijudlestoids: g4

09:59:56 BingoBoingo: Bxg4

10:00:38 herbijudlestoids: f3

10:02:01 BingoBoingo: e5

10:02:38 herbijudlestoids: xg4

10:03:29 herbijudlestoids: err should be fxg4 i guess sorry

10:06:14 BingoBoingo: Nb-d7

10:06:59 herbijudlestoids: g5

10:07:49 BingoBoingo: Nh5

10:08:52 herbijudlestoids: excuse me, bathroom break

10:09:27 BingoBoingo: fine, smoke break

10:09:58 herbijudlestoids: ok back

10:11:48 herbijudlestoids: d3

10:14:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.074 = 1.406 BTC [-]

10:16:24 herbijudlestoids: what are you doin, growin the tobacco yourself?

10:17:04 BingoBoingo: Nc5

10:19:07 herbijudlestoids: a4

10:20:06 BingoBoingo: a6

10:20:23 herbijudlestoids: b4

10:21:54 BingoBoingo: Ne6

10:24:32 herbijudlestoids: Ne2

10:25:15 BingoBoingo: Nc oe Ng

10:25:29 BingoBoingo: Nc or Ng

10:25:58 herbijudlestoids: Ng

10:26:00 herbijudlestoids: sorry, my bad

10:27:14 BingoBoingo: Nxg5

10:27:51 herbijudlestoids: Rg1

10:28:59 BingoBoingo: Ne6

10:29:45 herbijudlestoids: Nd5

10:30:41 BingoBoingo: Qh4+

10:32:09 herbijudlestoids: Kf2

10:32:13 herbijudlestoids: err Kf1

10:33:14 BingoBoingo: Rf-e8

10:36:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0055 = 0.825 BTC

10:36:39 herbijudlestoids: hmmm battle mode

10:37:56 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I hate to push, but you seem to be draggin

10:38:21 herbijudlestoids: Ng3

10:39:35 BingoBoingo: Qh3+

10:40:43 herbijudlestoids: Rg2

10:41:36 BingoBoingo: Ng3+

10:42:36 herbijudlestoids: hxg3

10:43:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00087441 = 14.6464 BTC [+]

10:43:56 BingoBoingo: Qh1+

10:44:08 herbijudlestoids: Rg1

10:45:24 BingoBoingo: Qh3+

10:45:59 herbijudlestoids: Rg2...

10:46:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.07395238 = 3.106 BTC [-] {2}

10:46:41 BingoBoingo: b5

10:47:03 herbijudlestoids: axb5

10:48:21 BingoBoingo: axb5

10:48:48 herbijudlestoids: Bb5

10:48:51 herbijudlestoids: err

10:48:52 herbijudlestoids: Bxb5

10:50:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2297 @ 0.00012999 = 0.2986 BTC [-]

10:52:04 BingoBoingo: Qh1+

10:52:28 herbijudlestoids: Rg1...

10:54:30 BingoBoingo: QxNd5

10:54:57 herbijudlestoids: err wut? i got a pawn at e4?

10:55:53 herbijudlestoids: lol it was my first move...

10:56:03 BingoBoingo: Yeah, died long ago

10:57:11 BingoBoingo: Amazing how tiny things affect the board this much

10:57:18 herbijudlestoids: ...

10:57:23 herbijudlestoids: i just grepped for "xe4"

10:57:54 herbijudlestoids: pls paste the line of you taking it?

10:58:25 KRS-One: ;;seen vexual

10:58:25 gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 19 hours, 56 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <Vexual> its nit even an internet fridge

10:59:08 herbijudlestoids: i thought i had been faithfully replicating each move, if i missed one apologies

10:59:12 herbijudlestoids: but i cant see it in my log

11:00:24 herbijudlestoids: http://imgur.com/AOWiQJt

11:00:25 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

11:01:11 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You may be right. let me reconcile this position

11:03:45 BingoBoingo: Qh4

11:04:03 herbijudlestoids: are you sure? if you move to Qh4 i take your queen.

11:04:17 BingoBoingo: I might be awfully drunk.

11:04:30 BingoBoingo: I thought e4 was open, I mean

11:05:04 herbijudlestoids: last chance? if you move to Qh5 its much better move against mew

11:05:32 BingoBoingo: Fine, Qh3

11:05:44 herbijudlestoids: LOL

11:05:52 herbijudlestoids: we been through this but ok... Rg2...

11:06:57 BingoBoingo: Nd4

11:08:44 herbijudlestoids: Bc4

11:10:57 BingoBoingo: Qh1+

11:11:09 BingoBoingo: Draw?

11:11:11 herbijudlestoids: lolllll Rg1

11:11:21 herbijudlestoids: wwut!

11:11:29 herbijudlestoids: you bored?

11:11:38 herbijudlestoids: im cracking up grinning here!

11:12:05 BingoBoingo: Qf3+

11:12:33 herbijudlestoids: now were talkin

11:12:44 herbijudlestoids: dunno why you didnt just Qh5 earlier hehe

11:13:08 herbijudlestoids: Ke1

11:13:10 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: pawns have to find the right places

11:14:20 BingoBoingo: QxQ+

11:14:37 herbijudlestoids: Kxd1

11:15:25 BingoBoingo: Nf3

11:16:40 herbijudlestoids: Rf1

11:17:54 BingoBoingo: e4

11:18:15 herbijudlestoids: lel my brother, e4 is not open for you

11:18:30 BingoBoingo: fuck have to audit again

11:18:32 herbijudlestoids: its got one of my pawns in it...i call him firstie...

11:18:46 BingoBoingo: Nd4

11:18:59 herbijudlestoids: http://imgur.com/qsCSca6

11:19:00 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

11:19:15 herbijudlestoids: c3

11:20:04 BingoBoingo: N36

11:20:33 herbijudlestoids: assume you meant Ne6...

11:21:03 herbijudlestoids: Bb5

11:21:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08176994 = 0.8177 BTC [-] {4}

11:22:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.04799999 = 0.384 BTC [+] {2}

11:23:08 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: This game can end of one of two ways? You up for a draw?

11:23:42 herbijudlestoids: lel im enjoying myself but if for some reason you cbf to play anymore i am ok with it. what do you mean can only end one of two ways? all chess games can only end one of two ways?

11:24:07 herbijudlestoids: are you peering 80 moves into the future or something?

11:24:22 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No, they have three ways to end. This one ends with you winning or you accepting a draw.

11:24:30 BingoBoingo: No way in hell I win this one

11:24:31 herbijudlestoids: HAHA

11:24:33 herbijudlestoids: sure bro

11:24:35 herbijudlestoids: :D

11:25:01 BingoBoingo: That e4 pawn just messed me up.

11:25:12 herbijudlestoids: seems like i enjoy playing tho, so hit me up sometime for a rematch :)

11:25:18 BingoBoingo: Can't believe THAT was the pawn I forgot about.

11:25:21 herbijudlestoids: literally grinning for the entire match

11:25:23 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Anytime

11:26:49 herbijudlestoids: chesscoin

11:26:50 herbijudlestoids: bitchess

11:26:53 herbijudlestoids: hmmm...nope

11:27:31 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: how are you playing these matches? ...i mean are you recording the moves on a board or is this all in your mind or something lol

11:28:06 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I set up a board on the floor. Usually I am good, but your e4 fucked me up.

11:28:35 BingoBoingo: You had the win early though

11:28:41 herbijudlestoids: i just assumed youre a savant playing in your mind

11:29:15 BingoBoingo: Nah, I am a drunk who actually set up a board on my floor

11:29:29 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: usually playing chess off a screen really fucks me up and i suck at it, but i think i like that HTML5 one

11:29:38 BingoBoingo: (in parts of the world having enough floor to do that is extravagant)

11:29:44 herbijudlestoids: haha

11:30:05 herbijudlestoids: also has tempted me to learn HTML5

11:30:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00087062 = 21.069 BTC [-]

11:30:37 punkman: extravagant would be having one of those huge outdoors boards and real people for the pieces

11:30:46 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I really dunno anything better though than a 0.02 BTC physical board

11:31:02 herbijudlestoids: punkman: they got those in hyde park in sydney and thats literally the last time i played chess before today

11:31:11 BingoBoingo: punkman: That would have been, but like 1BTC is a fortune nao

11:31:46 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: is hyde park the OZ version of niggers.txt?

11:31:59 herbijudlestoids: yeah i used to have a nice frosted glass board around but it didnt survive several house moves

11:32:35 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: did you know if you google niggers.txt, you shit-talking in log.bitcoin-assets.com is the 3rd result?

11:32:41 punkman: I got a soapstone board, half the pieces have been decapitated

11:32:46 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: of course

11:33:16 herbijudlestoids: earlier tonight i thought of something funny to do with niggers.txt, before i went out, but i forgot it while i was walking :(

11:33:17 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: the thing is nigger.txt is a term of art defined in this channe;

11:33:32 herbijudlestoids: explain for retards?

11:33:50 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: There is this thing called watermelon.

11:34:11 BingoBoingo: Everyone of all colors loves it. It is delicious.

11:34:21 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: for me, with you, when i say lol, its literal.

11:34:42 BingoBoingo: Noiggers.txt though is a term of art.

11:34:48 herbijudlestoids: lel

11:34:50 BingoBoingo: Imagine Mark Karpales

11:35:07 BingoBoingo: He is moar nigger.tst than Obummer

11:35:30 herbijudlestoids: http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/mtgox_ceo_mark_karpeles.jpg

11:35:33 BingoBoingo: Because those Greek Dago bitches can suck a dick

11:36:34 herbijudlestoids: holy shit, i just pasted that from google without looking at the url...theres actually a buttcoin.org

11:37:13 BingoBoingo: Oh shit, you herbijudlestoids do you know what the original dutch root nikker means?

11:37:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00086996 = 7.1772 BTC [-] {2}

11:37:44 herbijudlestoids: not specifically

11:37:51 herbijudlestoids: i thought the root was spanish/portugese

11:38:22 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: It means ignorant, but because it sounds similar to the latin Negro 'Murica

11:38:29 herbijudlestoids: The variants neger and negar, derive from the Spanish and Portuguese word negro (black), and from the now-pejorative French n?gre (negro). Etymologically, negro, noir, n?gre, and nigger ultimately derive from nigrum, the stem of the Latin niger (black) (pronounced ['ni?er] which, in every other grammatical case, grammatical gender, and grammatical number besides nominative masculine singular, is nigr-, the r is tr

11:38:39 herbijudlestoids: the root is latin, niger == black.

11:39:19 herbijudlestoids: stems to nigrum (male), nigra (female) and from there to italian/french/spanish/portugese

11:39:24 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Latin and german are different root sources

11:40:16 herbijudlestoids: In the Colonial America of 1619, John Rolfe used negars in describing the African slaves shipped to the Virginia colony.[2] Later American English spellings, neger and neggar, prevailed in a northern colony, New York under the Dutch, and in metropolitan Philadelphia's Moravian and Pennsylvania Dutch communities; the African Burial Ground in New York City originally was known by the Dutch name "Begraafplaats van de

11:41:23 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: you could just post a half decent world star hip hop video

11:42:20 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: try this instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VikXdIAQVQo

11:43:11 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: google challange and response. I can't give it an answer

11:43:39 herbijudlestoids: so whats the valid response to the niggers.txt challenge?

11:44:04 herbijudlestoids: < BingoBoingo > niggers.txt

11:44:12 herbijudlestoids: < herbijudlestoids > niggers.txt!

11:44:18 herbijudlestoids: ? :P

11:44:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00087231 = 6.0189 BTC [+] {2}

11:44:45 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Maybe ask kakobrekla, he's somalian, like a pirate

11:47:43 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/02/12/nicki_minaj_lookin_ass_video_rapper_sets_her_sights_on_the_male_gaze_mows.html

11:47:44 ozbot: Nicki Minaj “Lookin Ass” video: Rapper sets her sights on the male gaze, mows it down with assau

11:50:35 herbijudlestoids: heres a graph of my ATC miner payouts (per block found by the coinminer.net ATC pool) for the last ...~40h http://imgur.com/FxiLehu

11:50:56 herbijudlestoids: yesterday was getting ~4ATC per block, now ~1.4

11:53:44 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The ATC orderbook

11:54:08 BingoBoingo: M mood might improve especially if 1000 satoshis is broken

11:54:31 BingoBoingo: I mean is this nigger history month or not?

11:54:51 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I'm sorry Abbo

11:54:55 herbijudlestoids: haha

11:55:18 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: orderbook looks pretty much the same as this morning? just one extra offer that has narrowed the spread by 5 satoshi

11:55:52 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: but if it stays under 1000 satoshis the Abbos win

11:57:35 herbijudlestoids: well you guys are the ones with all teh bitcoinz not me...you can clear out all the offers under 1000 by purchasing the 54387 on offer below that price :P

11:58:15 herbijudlestoids: (and hope nobody goes to the bids to sell)

11:58:35 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Nothing is official thought until a n00b makes a n00b decision

11:59:16 BingoBoingo: Nothing is worth anything without a credible niggers.txt and a watermelon

12:01:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.0048 = 0.24 BTC [-]

12:42:10 herbijudlestoids: hullo ThickAsThieves

12:42:51 herbijudlestoids: looks like the reddit ATC thread got downvoted beyond -4 :(

12:43:00 ThickAsThieves: lol

12:43:03 ThickAsThieves: their loss

12:44:33 BingoBoingo: shame, such a think line between altcoin and moon

12:44:33 herbijudlestoids: i own some now ...310 as of the last bloc

12:44:50 BingoBoingo: .bait

12:44:51 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md1fbaETqT1reuoazo1_500.jpg

12:44:56 herbijudlestoids: mined teh new fashioned way

12:45:50 BingoBoingo: That bait has orders

12:45:55 BingoBoingo: Spank

12:46:00 herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: got a wallet? ill send you one? :D

12:46:02 BingoBoingo: .bait

12:46:42 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: imgur.com/r/gonewild :)

12:47:50 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I'm a bigger fan of the dark chocolate

12:48:11 herbijudlestoids: surely some in there

12:48:42 ThickAsThieves: i haz some ATC now

12:48:50 ThickAsThieves: purchased on the black market

12:49:05 ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/CoinedUp/comments/1xsqzq/how_to_add_altcoin_to_listings/

12:52:47 herbijudlestoids: every fuckin night now a mosquito gets in my room

12:52:54 herbijudlestoids: and i gotta kill it before i go to bed lol

12:53:12 herbijudlestoids: sneaky quick fuckers

12:53:43 ThickAsThieves: bugs dont seem to like my blood much

12:54:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.08179995 = 0.409 BTC [+]

12:57:19 herbijudlestoids: its the noise they make when theyre flying over your ear

12:57:32 herbijudlestoids: drives me insane

12:57:42 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Wait, you can hear bugs?

12:57:54 herbijudlestoids: never heard the mosquito noise BingoBoingo?

12:57:56 BingoBoingo: how do you not die in Australasia

12:58:05 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I'm nearly deaf

12:58:16 herbijudlestoids: very high pitched whine

12:58:26 herbijudlestoids: which oscillates as they fly around

12:58:42 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I played the tuba for 8+ years and the only casualty was my hearing

12:58:45 herbijudlestoids: usually theyre audible within about 20cm but it sounds like its right in your ear

12:59:05 herbijudlestoids: which 8+ years tho? cant believe you never heard a mosquito in your life

12:59:21 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I haven't heard one since 4th grade

12:59:45 herbijudlestoids: so but you know the noise :P

13:00:05 BingoBoingo: Roughly, can't swear to it though. It has been a while.

13:01:53 herbijudlestoids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_All_Gone_Pete_Tong

13:03:32 ThickAsThieves: "This brings us nicely to possibly the biggest development in the crypto space for some time. The launch of Maxcoin, the cryptocurrency fronted by Max Keiser. "

13:04:02 BingoBoingo: Moar like Maxi coin, has the biggest wings to prevent leakage.

13:04:11 ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu ^ for your blacklist: Investing.com, Jan Skoyles

13:04:28 herbijudlestoids: he not here, died of ping timeout

13:04:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00086994 = 10.6133 BTC [-]

13:04:55 BingoBoingo: I am Afro man, running through the forest from the ku klus klan

13:07:05 ThickAsThieves: looks like these guys actually host pools too http://coinex.pw/

13:07:11 ThickAsThieves: pools and exchange

13:08:51 BingoBoingo: If anyone else wan't a tip from the breaking news department, I know the spoiler to Million Dollar Baby!

13:09:00 herbijudlestoids: here is an idea

13:09:08 herbijudlestoids: (if openex.pw had an API)

13:09:53 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I kinda has one

13:10:06 BingoBoingo: *it kinds has one

13:10:18 herbijudlestoids: a bot that makes the market in BTC/USD at the 0.5*(ATCdiff/BTCdiff)+0.5*(ATDnextdiff/BTCnextDiff) implied price

13:11:00 herbijudlestoids: even a small amount of BTC, say 0.01 would be able to offer a reasonable bid at say 0.005% off the implied price

13:11:24 herbijudlestoids: just gotta be willing to fund it with some more BTC if someone takes out the bids

13:12:25 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Altcoiners are hoarders

13:12:45 BingoBoingo: You need serious WOT to buy ALTCOIN at 500 Satoshis per

13:13:05 ThickAsThieves: ?

13:13:09 BingoBoingo: This isn't last week when 160 Satoshis was generous

13:13:15 ThickAsThieves: lol

13:13:32 ThickAsThieves: herb i think ATC price isnt the lead, it is the follow

13:13:35 herbijudlestoids: so you reckon the risk isnt in someone selling their ATC into the bid but rather hoarders buying up whatever ATC are on the ask?

13:13:35 BingoBoingo: Last week 160 Satoshis per was nearly charity.

13:14:16 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Generally they don't buy the exchange's ask because this is Altcoin and they have WOT.

13:14:41 BingoBoingo: They buy at minimal over bids

13:14:59 herbijudlestoids: ok lets assume i have serious WOT, and the bot makes the market on -otc

13:15:13 herbijudlestoids: still same issue?

13:15:21 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: So who did you piss off to be so lonely?

13:15:31 herbijudlestoids: lol

13:15:47 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: If you have serious WOT the bot is at least going to jack you off.

13:16:18 BingoBoingo: (this is why kakobrekla doesn't have couches any moar)

13:17:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086989 = 3.3056 BTC [-] {2}

13:17:49 herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: i guess thats the case for ATCUSD but im talking ATCBTC here

13:18:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1222 = 0.4888 BTC [+]

13:19:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1221 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2}

13:22:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00087435 = 2.7979 BTC [+]

13:24:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

13:25:54 herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: any knowledge about this 42coin? i just noticed it on openex.pw, trading at 145 to the BTC?!

13:26:26 herbijudlestoids: oh right...only 42 coins ever mined

13:27:18 ThickAsThieves: hehe

13:27:29 ThickAsThieves: it's like a gem of gems

13:27:31 herbijudlestoids: pretty interesting i guess that people actually valued it like that

13:27:47 herbijudlestoids: most of the transactions are for small fractions obviously

13:28:06 herbijudlestoids: but still...why exactly, aside from scarcity is 42coin worth 145 bitcoins?

13:28:16 ThickAsThieves: it's not

13:28:59 herbijudlestoids: well its valued as such by some people who own some BTC

13:29:04 herbijudlestoids: some of a BTC :P

13:29:09 ThickAsThieves: right

13:30:20 herbijudlestoids: so its just a transaction network i guess

13:30:33 herbijudlestoids: coins are already mined, people harvesting transaction fees

13:34:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1221 = 0.2442 BTC [-]

13:35:31 davout: what's the reference BTCUSD rate used for options ?

13:37:11 davout: bitcoincharts 24h weighted average iirc

13:40:22 herbijudlestoids: davout: http://mpex.co/faq.html#25

13:40:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

13:40:40 ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,24hprc

13:40:41 gribble: 579.79

13:40:52 ThickAsThieves: still factoring gox

13:46:21 ThickAsThieves: http://businesstech.co.za/news/banking/53087/standark-bank-throws-out-bitcoin-idea/

13:46:25 ThickAsThieves: “No customers participated in the pilot,” the bank added.

13:48:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+]

13:48:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1221 = 0.2442 BTC [-]

13:48:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

13:51:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

13:52:40 herbijudlestoids: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/02/fusion-power-not-yet/?cid=co18503444

13:53:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-]

13:55:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24314 @ 0.00087111 = 21.1802 BTC [-]

14:00:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00087111 = 4.8782 BTC [-]

14:10:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.0818 = 2.045 BTC [+]

14:19:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5425 = 2.17 BTC [-] {2}

14:21:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5365 = 1.073 BTC [-] {2}

14:23:00 herbijudlestoids: bed

14:42:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00087174 = 17.2605 BTC [+]

14:48:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.0054524 = 0.2235 BTC [-] {3}

14:50:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00545002 = 0.2889 BTC [-] {2}

14:51:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]

14:53:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30391 @ 0.00087002 = 26.4408 BTC [-] {3}

14:56:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 204 @ 0.00544903 = 1.1116 BTC [-] {3}

14:56:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]

14:57:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.55 = 2.2 BTC [+] {2}

15:01:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14195 @ 0.00086967 = 12.345 BTC [-]

15:02:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17855 @ 0.00086963 = 15.5272 BTC [-]

15:03:40 jurov: should the niggers.txt meme get officially recognized on ud

15:03:52 jurov: it originated on 05 December 2013 here by me

15:04:33 jurov: (just for record) :D

15:09:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]

15:10:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34478 @ 0.00087195 = 30.0631 BTC [+] {2}

15:10:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [+]

15:21:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]

15:21:44 davout: jurov: you need some meme-DRM

15:22:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1789 @ 0.0001345 = 0.2406 BTC [+] {2}

15:25:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

15:28:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04720001 = 0.5664 BTC [-]

15:28:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12210001 = 0.8547 BTC [-] {2}

15:36:36 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/nic-ssh-rootkit.htm

15:39:01 mike_c: oh my. "The current version simply sends the appropriate packets to vulnerable cards and updates them"

15:45:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-]

15:46:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

16:05:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [+]

16:06:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0716 = 0.1432 BTC [-]

16:06:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [+]

16:06:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

16:07:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 21 @ 0.0055 = 0.1155 BTC

16:18:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2002 @ 0.0001345 = 0.2693 BTC [+] {4}

16:19:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2129 @ 0.00013451 = 0.2864 BTC [+]

16:19:50 deadweasel: asciilifeform: that's a good read, ty.

16:27:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7000 @ 0.00013452 = 0.9416 BTC [+]

16:28:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0725 = 0.145 BTC [+] {2}

16:29:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+]

16:31:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]

16:37:24 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

16:37:26 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 646.0, Best ask: 649.34, Bid-ask spread: 3.34000, Last trade: 646.0, 24 hour volume: 14026.82715181, 24 hour low: 640.05, 24 hour high: 672.0, 24 hour vwap: 653.799495596

16:37:46 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker --gox

16:37:46 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)

16:38:20 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker --market mtgox

16:38:21 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.805, Best ask: 490.027, Bid-ask spread: 4.22200, Last trade: 491.11, 24 hour volume: 24971.55702147, 24 hour low: 479.923, 24 hour high: 574.99999, 24 hour vwap: 512.87363

16:38:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10563 @ 0.00087435 = 9.2358 BTC [+]

16:43:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00087435 = 12.8529 BTC [+]

16:59:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.59424026 BTC to 1`662 shares, 95923 satoshi per share

17:00:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.123 = 0.492 BTC [+]

17:00:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0715 = 0.286 BTC [-]

17:02:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5272 @ 0.00087302 = 4.6026 BTC [-]

17:11:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20347 @ 0.00087294 = 17.7617 BTC [-] {3}

17:12:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00087436 = 3.8035 BTC [+] {2}

17:20:46 davout: reddit can be funny somertimes http://i.imgur.com/1n2KSUm.jpg

17:23:29 davout: haha

17:29:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12399999 BTC [+]

17:35:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00087441 = 13.0724 BTC [+]

17:42:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210001 BTC [-]

17:46:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 49 @ 0.0049143 = 0.2408 BTC [+]

17:51:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [+] {2}

17:51:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

17:57:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02637895 = 0.5276 BTC [+] {3}

17:58:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 82 @ 0.0033945 = 0.2783 BTC [+]

18:00:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00087181 = 5.6232 BTC [-]

18:39:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1311 @ 0.00013725 = 0.1799 BTC [+] {4}

18:43:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21778 @ 0.00087081 = 18.9645 BTC [-]

18:45:01 benkay: BingoBoingo: how much Satoshi have you collated?

18:46:26 HeySteve: hmm where is mirceau popescu tonight?

18:57:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00087031 = 39.338 BTC [-] {4}

19:02:54 ThickAsThieves: http://i.imgur.com/Yplvqe1.jpg

19:04:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00083553 = 0.1671 BTC [+] {2}

19:06:25 dub: lol

19:06:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.07110001 = 0.1422 BTC [-] {2}

19:07:28 mircea_popescu: DECLARATION CERTIFIEE SINCERE

19:07:28 mircea_popescu: Votre Honneur,

19:07:28 mircea_popescu: Je suis

19:07:28 mircea_popescu: Mademoiselle Val?rie TAGRO, jeune ivoirienne ?g?e de 21 ans. Je suis une

19:07:28 mircea_popescu: ancienne laur?ate du concours de beaut? ? Miss Cote D'Ivoire ?.

19:07:29 mircea_popescu: Je

19:07:30 mircea_popescu: suis aujourd'hui orpheline et je n'ai plus personne pour m'aider et pour

19:07:32 mircea_popescu: me guider.

19:08:05 mircea_popescu: somehow it sounds even dirtier in french

19:08:10 asciilifeform: gift from the spam gods?

19:09:29 mircea_popescu: yea

19:09:34 HeySteve2: ah, mircea_popescu. I was wondering you had any comment on "Pandacoin PANDA AKA The Asian Doge Coin / Doge 2.0"

19:09:51 mircea_popescu: sounds legit.

19:10:18 HeySteve2: it is due to be launched tomorrow, with lots of love from Doge pump and dumper Wolong

19:10:24 HeySteve2: pre-mine will be a modest 3%

19:10:39 mod6: sad panda

19:11:13 mircea_popescu: HeySteve2 does it have a sarcasm detection mechanism ?

19:12:21 HeySteve2: indeed, but I forgot the best feature. Wolong said he's ready to work with authorities to combat terrorism right in the announce thread

19:12:31 mircea_popescu: lol

19:12:43 mircea_popescu: what makes you think anyone asked "wolong" anything ?

19:13:37 HeySteve2: well, the coin launched with an open letter from Wolong.

19:13:53 HeySteve2: exciting stuff

19:13:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from the Fun With Widgets dept.: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/nic-ssh-rootkit.htm

19:14:30 mircea_popescu: HeySteve2 i tell you i don't see it.

19:14:37 mircea_popescu: guy's not even in the wot.

19:14:47 HeySteve2: shocker

19:14:51 asciilifeform: tldr ver.: drive bus DMA over NIC with diddled ROM.

19:15:09 HeySteve2: well the link is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=460037.0

19:15:12 asciilifeform: fun for the whole family

19:15:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform omfg, look, slovenian! kakobrekla has been a bad boy!

19:16:56 mircea_popescu: Well, I would say that it took me approximately 500 man-hours to get to the stage of having a working "shell"

19:17:06 mircea_popescu: this security, that can be breached in 500 hours.

19:17:14 mircea_popescu: feels like we all live in barbie's townhouse.

19:18:38 mircea_popescu: Arrigo Triulzi: The only way would be trusted computing if implemented properly and without the DRM halo which it normally carries.

19:18:52 mircea_popescu: this is not actually correct. the correct way is triangular network designs.

19:19:09 mircea_popescu: much cheaper and definitely practical.

19:27:16 asciilifeform: those 'willing to open their third eye' will see the market for deliberately-minimal HW - e.g. NICs without general-purpose CPUs, etc.

19:28:11 asciilifeform: (wtf does a NIC need a dual-core MIPS?)

19:28:13 mircea_popescu: indeed.

19:28:40 mircea_popescu: which ironically will be a major chance for the third world.

19:29:01 mircea_popescu: it's funny how this battle goes over the years. africa, south america and central asia are colonised, because they suck.

19:29:07 mircea_popescu: so they suck colonist cock and try their best.

19:29:20 mircea_popescu: however, by the time they get their tech to the level of making their own lightbulbs and other peripherals

19:29:34 mircea_popescu: well suddenly the ex-colonizers decide the kind of lightbulbs they can make are illegal to use.

19:30:04 mircea_popescu: however, just about at the same time the most important industry of the colonizers, ie silicone processing, has "progressed" past the point of usefulness

19:30:32 mircea_popescu: which opens a door just in time. a brazilian made "ancient" technology nic could command a premium in the marketplace

19:30:51 mircea_popescu: all the while cisco reports quarters of zero sales

19:30:57 mircea_popescu: like it did last q.

19:31:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

19:31:54 mircea_popescu: logically we'd expect this producer to get no likes on facebook.

19:32:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81495 @ 0.0008739 = 71.2185 BTC [+] {4}

19:32:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 250 @ 0.0055 = 1.375 BTC

19:38:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5042 @ 0.0008698 = 4.3855 BTC [-]

19:39:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63758 @ 0.00086877 = 55.391 BTC [-] {3}

19:39:50 ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin Now Accounts for 10% of Sales at Porn.com

19:40:52 ThickAsThieves: Porn.com sells bitcoins?

19:41:39 benkay: another 2 hour vm provisioning killed because apple kills the wifi card when the display goes off.

19:41:58 benkay: *raaaage*

19:42:45 ThickAsThieves: anyone know what the cool kids use to display custom fonts on websites these days?

19:43:33 davout: benkay: i've never experienced that

19:44:26 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, but it sells very little porn.

19:44:39 mircea_popescu: benkay it does.

19:44:43 mircea_popescu: oops i mean davout it does.

19:45:08 mircea_popescu: chick has a tablet, can't be used for irc because apple has decided it will turn off devices. unless you root the shit you're stuck.

19:46:38 KRS-One: .bait

19:46:39 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt6p4bHQjY1qh9l2to1_500.jpg

19:47:35 davout: mircea_popescu: yeah ios sucks, but on a powered laptop or on a desktop the wifi doesn't go just because the display goes off

19:47:47 pankkake: ThickAsThieves: http://sixrevisions.com/css/font-face-guide/ https://www.google.com/fonts

19:48:09 davout: not sure about a laptop that's not plugged to the power

19:48:22 mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you run ios on anything but a tablet.

19:48:47 mircea_popescu: then again i guess who the fuck provisions vms from a tablet.

19:48:51 asciilifeform: if there's a widget other than phone/tablet that runs ios, this is news.

19:49:26 davout: mircea_popescu: yeah, irc on a tablet, bad idea, provisioning a vm on a tablet, that's too mainstream

19:49:55 mircea_popescu: uh

19:49:57 mircea_popescu: you can't even type.

19:50:06 asciilifeform: some people use tablets as 'dumb terminals.'

19:50:23 mircea_popescu: so how do you produce a tilde and three dashes ? you dictate it /

19:50:28 asciilifeform: (with keyboards plugged in)

19:50:30 davout: an ipad is a pretty good reddit terminal

19:50:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00086857 = 23.7554 BTC [-]

19:50:40 mircea_popescu: a like that. kay.

19:50:49 mircea_popescu: how much is an apple kbd, 300 bucks ?

19:50:56 mircea_popescu: (no sarcasmo)

19:50:57 davout: 100 eur last i checked

19:50:58 asciilifeform: takes standard 'bluetooth' kbd

19:51:05 davout: or 80

19:51:13 mircea_popescu: that should work then

19:51:24 davout: yeah, vim on an ipad with your bluetooth keyboard, now *that's* hip

19:51:37 mircea_popescu: seems for all the trouble you could have just had a dildo.

19:51:39 mircea_popescu: fuck me.

19:51:47 mircea_popescu: ok, this is rich : dildo shaped smartphone

19:51:55 mircea_popescu: you can just sit on it at your cafe while wearing a hat

19:52:01 mircea_popescu: and typing on your bluetooth kbd

19:52:15 davout: heh

19:52:24 mircea_popescu: anyone wants to use the phone they can just blow in your as.

19:52:35 asciilifeform: the 'tablet terminal' crap would probably vanish if <1kg laptops with 12+hr batteries were available.

19:53:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wtf do you care, you got a car anyway, right ?

19:53:24 davout: asciilifeform: the macbook air gets pretty close

19:53:27 mircea_popescu: i knew this fellow who had his trunk always full. 1-200 loaded laptop batteries/

19:53:33 asciilifeform: not me. but people with certain odd habits (working in cafes, on the shitter, etc)

19:54:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: barely anything comes with removable batteries now.

19:54:34 mircea_popescu: apparently the best thing for a battery is for it to be charged, stored a week or two, discharged, recharged etc.

19:54:46 asciilifeform: depends on the cell chemistry

19:54:58 asciilifeform: Li cell wants to be kept ~70% full at all times, if i recall

19:55:07 asciilifeform: hates cycling; full discharge, even more.

19:55:13 mircea_popescu: didn't it have a memory effect ?

19:55:17 mircea_popescu: an you're supposed to fully draw it ?

19:55:19 asciilifeform: that's NiCD

19:55:27 mircea_popescu: so i guess this answers the q :D

19:55:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00299998 = 0.159 BTC [+] {2}

19:55:50 asciilifeform: Li cell is a scam on the consumer, really. more or less worthless after 2 yrs. or so.

19:56:03 mircea_popescu: "2 years should be enough for anybody"

19:56:17 ThickAsThieves: thanks pankkake, i will also look at your php thing tonight hopefully

19:56:22 mircea_popescu: srsly now... if you've not outgrown your toys in two years it's time for the parents to pack you off for the development specialist. you got issues.

19:57:05 asciilifeform: got a 16 yr. old lappy here.

19:57:30 CheckDavid: <mircea_popescu> apparently the best thing for a battery is for it to be charged, stored a week or two, discharged, recharged etc. <-- what?

19:57:35 CheckDavid: the best thing?

19:57:45 mircea_popescu: yes.

19:57:53 asciilifeform: http://rche.kyushu-u.ac.jp/~hayashi/syumi/lib110s.jpg

19:57:58 asciilifeform: (not mine, but same)

19:58:10 CheckDavid: mircea_popescu, that is with the old batteries

19:58:37 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid well yeah, it emerged in the conversation. this was happening cca 2003 so i guess it checks out.

19:58:46 CheckDavid: oh

19:58:58 benkay: new laptops every year

19:59:01 benkay: classic hedonic treadmill

19:59:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform looks oddly soviet.

19:59:30 asciilifeform: it's brick-solid.

19:59:31 benkay: "oh and also we added new widgets to the UI and forced a push out to all boxen so here you go now your perfectly serviceable 2 year old device runs at 1/4 speed because ACCELEROMETER-CONNECTED UI WIDGETRY"

19:59:49 asciilifeform: one you learn to type with 8 fingers, it's among the best laptop kbds.

20:00:14 mircea_popescu: benkay heh who the fuck runs original os ontheir laptop.

20:00:16 asciilifeform: afaik, among the last laptops made in japan

20:00:27 benkay: mircea_popescu: us derpy web and interaction engineers

20:00:32 benkay: "engineers"

20:00:38 mircea_popescu: well fuck them then.

20:01:10 davout: mircea_popescu: i do, because saint jobs willed it that way

20:01:19 mircea_popescu: well fuck you then.

20:01:28 kakobrekla: evenin

20:01:28 benkay: i'm pretty sure my environment's attitude to me is "fuck you" anyways.

20:01:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00086847 = 16.7615 BTC [-] {2}

20:01:45 mircea_popescu: benkay it's what i'm sayin' :)

20:01:46 asciilifeform: also among the last laptops without built-in wireless or ethernet.

20:01:57 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla why did you break the nice guy's firewall ?

20:02:13 kakobrekla: heh yeah, thats old by now.

20:02:20 mircea_popescu: for shame.

20:02:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.003 = 0.9 BTC [+]

20:02:59 mircea_popescu: benkay speaking of the ui bs, ubuntu did the exact thing with its v12

20:02:59 benkay: mircea_popescu: some day this year we'll be able to afford an office

20:03:00 benkay: some day shortly after that i'm ditching laptops as a 'work' machine.

20:03:27 mircea_popescu: and yes i tell you, desktops are the best tops.

20:03:33 benkay: yeah

20:03:59 asciilifeform: laptops are not used 'from a good life.'

20:03:59 benkay: although babes want to consume television in various places around the house

20:04:03 kakobrekla: since when is this page up?

20:04:03 kakobrekla: http://alphatesters.secretbitcoinproject.com/

20:04:04 ozbot: Secret Bitcoin Project - Come see.

20:04:04 benkay: i might just mandate that television watching happens on that thing in the corner.


20:04:52 Apocalyptic: heh

20:05:02 benkay: FUKKEN YEAH


20:05:13 kakobrekla: FUKKEN LAZERZ

20:05:17 davout: oh this...

20:05:17 kakobrekla: ;;lasers

20:05:18 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

20:05:24 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> ITS SO FUCKIN SEKRIT WE DONT HAVE DEVS YET <<< lmao

20:05:33 kakobrekla: is true

20:05:40 kakobrekla: sez I'm hiring devs & a designer. Email me at jobs@secretbitcoinproject. on top

20:06:01 mircea_popescu: well i guess they owe you one then for advertising their shitty gem ?

20:06:12 kakobrekla: "i cant tell you what it is, you want to work on in?" "yes."

20:06:21 davout: kakobrekla: leave your e-mail, you'll be invited to put him in touch with devs

20:06:26 mircea_popescu: funny how people just rehash the same old scams. so bitcoin investment gems run dry ? it's okay, make doge, the altchain investment gem

20:06:35 mircea_popescu: it doesn't take money, lives off your redditardation.

20:06:42 mircea_popescu: now they have the same principle applied to hiring.

20:07:05 mircea_popescu: basically everythning the western world is capable of making anymore is powered by mass curiosity, boredom, fear, generally emotions.

20:07:15 mircea_popescu: we're reduced to an emotions mill. the only power we can still harness.

20:07:22 mircea_popescu: forget fire and waterfall.

20:07:59 benkay: fire and waterfall?

20:08:16 mircea_popescu: yes. fire and waterfall, the original things that europe used to fuck over the entire rest of the world.

20:09:06 benkay: waterfall as in 'software mgmt'?

20:09:11 benkay: wtf are you on about

20:09:12 mircea_popescu: no dude, as in water falling

20:09:16 kakobrekla: lolz

20:09:21 davout: lel

20:09:21 kakobrekla: hahaha

20:09:27 mircea_popescu: this was pretty good

20:09:59 assbot: Last 25 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1614967/plain/)

20:09:59 kakobrekla: !b 25

20:09:59 benkay: the depths of my ignorance...

20:10:24 mircea_popescu: you know, originally it went like fire -> metalworking -big jump-> firearms

20:10:34 mircea_popescu: waterfalling -> mills -big jump-> steam power

20:10:58 benkay: yeah i got there eventually

20:10:59 kakobrekla: waterfalling -> put off the fire -> metalworking with cold metal

20:11:00 mircea_popescu: both the big jumps are simply switching to a different, more powerful, cheaper, easier to deploy aspect of the same principle

20:11:09 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla heretic

20:11:15 kakobrekla: :>

20:12:15 kakobrekla: bbl

20:14:29 benkay: is it so surprising, though mircea_popescu? the us is the land of 'get rich quick accidentally'. people don't understand the world at all, so anything mysterious might make them rich as they don't understand things to begin with.

20:15:02 mircea_popescu: it didn't use to be.

20:15:59 benkay: long long time ago

20:16:28 benkay: "i can still remember when/the us used to get shit done"

20:17:08 benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAsV5-Hv-7U#t=8

20:17:09 ozbot: Don McLean- American Pie (with Lyrics) - YouTube

20:20:38 mircea_popescu: i liked the madonna version.

20:20:40 mircea_popescu: am i evil ?

20:22:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00086742 = 41.9831 BTC [-] {4}

20:23:27 benkay: oh god

20:23:30 benkay: so america

20:24:05 benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQVieEO6GuU

20:24:06 ozbot: Madonna - American Pie - YouTube

20:25:02 mircea_popescu: indeed.

20:25:03 mircea_popescu: http://coinbits.com/2013/02/04/stage-n-bitcoin-exists-pe-fraudsters-un-blog-de-mircea-popescu/

20:25:05 ozbot: Stage n: Bitcoin exists. pe fraudsters – Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | Bitcoin News Bits - CoinBits.co

20:25:16 mircea_popescu: check out these fuckwits. "here's a scathing mp article we stole. would you like to buy ripples now ?"

20:27:22 mike_c: that link redirected me to some scam site..

20:27:30 asciilifeform: they lifted some turd from my site a while ago, too

20:28:26 mike_c: who are these people betting 20 satoshis on JD? how is that fun?

20:29:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0054 = 0.162 BTC [-]

20:29:28 mike_c: he won 1 satoshi. he'll be rich soon.

20:29:30 mike_c: https://just-dice.com/roll/628591801

20:32:01 Apocalyptic: hey mike_c, working on the JD investment analysis ?

20:32:40 mike_c: yeah.

20:36:20 mircea_popescu: mike_c maybe testing the randomness ?

20:36:36 mircea_popescu: or maybe just you know, the bottom of a monte carlo.

20:36:41 asciilifeform: haha, anybody run 'dieharder' on JD/SD/etc. ?

20:36:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c might.

20:36:54 mircea_popescu: hey mike, you know diehard/er ?

20:37:05 asciilifeform: to the victor go the spoils.

20:37:33 mike_c: if i don't publish anything you'll know what the results were :)

20:37:49 mircea_popescu: lolwut ?

20:38:31 mike_c: you'll know it's not so random.

20:38:36 Apocalyptic: heh

20:38:55 Apocalyptic: and we'll know that you're slowly drying out the investment pool

20:39:10 mircea_popescu: why would you not publish if it came out rotten ?!

20:39:15 mircea_popescu: o hahaha

20:39:18 Apocalyptic: cuz he be stealin yo

20:39:23 mircea_popescu: i have my slow moments

20:39:34 asciilifeform: well, taking the whole piggy home is a kind of 'publish.'

20:39:58 mircea_popescu: i put a lookout for the "mysterious m_c player emptied jd bank" threads

20:39:59 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, that's why he would have to do it wisely and blame good luck

20:40:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3200 @ 0.00016999 = 0.544 BTC [+] {4}

20:40:32 asciilifeform: see 'The Eudaemonic Pie.'

20:41:43 asciilifeform: always seemed to be like 'provably fair' dice is inherently at odds with sane rng.

20:42:14 mircea_popescu: fun twist : http://fraudsters.com/2011/earth-hour-s-o-facem-lata/ back in march 2011 i got pissed off at earth hour and declared i will plug everything i nthe house and make my vid card go 100% just so!

20:42:16 asciilifeform: that is, you're stuck with prng.

20:42:25 mircea_popescu: then a few months later i got the gift of bitcoin

20:42:29 mircea_popescu: and i never had to do this since.

20:42:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how you reason ?

20:43:10 asciilifeform: well, the whole concept, as i understand, is based on using a prng and disclosing seeds periodically.

20:43:42 mircea_popescu: yeah, but inasmuch as you rely in any fashion on blockchain generated numbers

20:43:45 asciilifeform: when using a trng, there is no way to mechanically prove that you are doing so

20:43:46 mircea_popescu: they're an actual rng

20:44:20 asciilifeform: any rng where a planet full of bozos contributes to the state is arguably questionable

20:44:26 mircea_popescu: no question

20:44:32 mircea_popescu: but questionable or not it is still a rng

20:45:10 asciilifeform: sort of like if a casino let the crowd piss on the roulette wheel.

20:45:14 mircea_popescu: yes but see

20:45:21 mircea_popescu: once you have an actual rng, there's tricks to fix it

20:45:26 mircea_popescu: like the coin flip etc

20:45:39 asciilifeform: this only works against 'natural' bias.

20:45:51 mircea_popescu: but planet full of bozos...well...

20:45:58 mircea_popescu: a good approximation of nature, at the very least

20:46:10 pankkake: mircea_popescu did it in Romanian, pankkake did it in French http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2011/03/26/lheure-de-la-terre/

20:46:27 mircea_popescu: pankkake together with our powers combined we are

20:46:46 mircea_popescu: SERGEANT BITCOIN!

20:46:58 pankkake: capitaine planète !

20:47:02 mircea_popescu: fucking hell same day too.

20:47:32 mircea_popescu: Pour manifester mon soutien ? cette initiative trop peu m?diatis?e, j?ai ?teint ? 20h30 les deux ampoules ? LED qui m??clairaient.

20:47:32 mircea_popescu: Puis j?ai mis en route un s?che-linge, deux plaques ?lectriques, et un emerge -u1avDN world, le tout en musique gr?ce ? un ampli ? tubes. Comme il faisait un peu noir j?ai allum? les 8 ampoules halog?nes qui ?taient ? ma disposition. Et comme il faisait un peu chaud avec tout ?a, j?ai ouvert la porte de mon r?frig?rateur.

20:47:34 mircea_popescu: win.

20:47:46 asciilifeform: (actual scene from that dreadful show)

20:47:47 pankkake: anyway, those things don't reduce electrical consumption and just create more problems for power plants :p

20:47:55 mircea_popescu: pankkake yep.

20:48:04 mircea_popescu: the best part to my taste is this :?

20:48:06 pankkake: so we saved the word

20:48:13 pankkake: world

20:48:27 mircea_popescu: the coal burning power plants release X mercury into atmosphere as part of their working.

20:48:39 mircea_popescu: ceteris paribus the halogen lamps reduce this to about .4 X

20:48:55 mircea_popescu: however they contain between .7 X and 2.2 X mercury in themselves.

20:49:17 mircea_popescu: so you know, instead of having that thing settle somewhere in the desert, it simply got moved in your kitchen.

20:49:24 mircea_popescu: this is the whole of the progress involved.

20:49:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you're thinking of 'fluorescent' tube, rather than halogen

20:49:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes yes

20:50:02 benkay: think also of all the energy recoverable from the mass headed towards the landfill

20:50:04 mircea_popescu: the philips shits

20:50:11 asciilifeform: holy trio, 'expensive/shoddy/deadly'

20:50:25 asciilifeform: of envirowhinerism.

20:50:29 mircea_popescu: http://zeiss-campus.magnet.fsu.edu/articles/lightsources/images/mercurylampsfigure1.jpg

20:50:37 mircea_popescu: actually... you know.

20:51:35 asciilifeform: FL isn't a hg arc lamp, the 'fluorescent' refers to the inner coating of the bulb, well, fluorescing.

20:51:52 asciilifeform: you can get pretty much any spectrum you want (other than blackbody) - just buy the right rare earths.

20:52:04 mircea_popescu: http://zeiss-campus.magnet.fsu.edu/articles/lightsources/mercuryarc.html a good article overall

20:52:05 ozbot: ZEISS Microscopy Online Campus | Mercury Arc Lamps

20:52:30 asciilifeform: hg arc is typically found in high-end microscopes, etc

20:53:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, this is the thing : http://www.edisontechcenter.org/lighting/mercVapor/MercGlowDiagram.jpg

20:53:10 pankkake: overall I like the halogen replacements. they definitely are not low consumption but they seem to last longer

20:54:02 benkay: i'm a huge fan of the pot lights

20:54:28 benkay: we installed one in a shop of mine once

20:54:40 davout: pankkake: haha i remember reading this article a while ago, awsum

20:54:42 benkay: we'd work until 8, 9 pm before realizing it was dark outside

20:55:04 benkay: shitloads of flux, tuned for summer spectrum

20:55:26 pankkake: ideally I'd have the lights follow the cycle of day

20:55:29 benkay: made me so dang happy!

20:55:32 benkay: had so much energy, it was amazing.

20:55:32 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:55:49 pankkake: like http://jonls.dk/redshift/

20:55:57 asciilifeform: pankkake: I'd have the lights follow the cycle of day << submarine?

20:55:59 asciilifeform: or so i recall

20:56:30 benkay: pankkake: i want to sleep in a completely-blacked out room that spins up the lights with the daylight.

20:56:34 benkay: that's the kind of home remodeling i can get into...

20:57:21 ThickAsThieves: "Is there anything the Bitcoin Foundation can do to help solve this problem?"

20:57:26 mircea_popescu: maybe we could all get submarines

20:57:30 mircea_popescu: with hashing

20:57:31 ThickAsThieves: Karpeles: "The Bitcoin Foundation has hired Bitcoin Developers for the purpose of promoting Bitcoin use. I guess the most puzzling part is why this issue hasn’t be[en] solved since 2011."

20:57:44 davout: http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/02/13/silk-road-2-hacked-bitcoins-stolen-unknown-amount/ <<<< so much win

20:57:46 ozbot: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen : ~4474.26BTC | Deep Dot Web

20:57:55 mircea_popescu: yeah it was up like two weeks

20:58:29 Duffer1: who could have seen that coming

20:58:33 Duffer1: :/

20:58:34 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "because they were saving it so karpeles could offer a "credible" lie as to why his well known fractional reserve scam blew open" ?

20:58:35 asciilifeform: seacoin.

20:58:55 mircea_popescu: funny tho, he couldn't find investors fast enough.

20:59:12 mircea_popescu: then the investors who he did find that didn't heed my "you will be butchered" warning got their fingers caught.

20:59:17 mircea_popescu: so much sadness everywhere.

20:59:35 ThickAsThieves: "First off, Facebook says that San Francisco residents have the smallest chance of getting into a relationship among people in any of the 50 largest American cities."

20:59:44 asciilifeform: http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/01/05/bank-zachodni-wbk-cashing-out-bitcoin-through-prepaid-visa-cards/

20:59:45 ozbot: Bank Zachodni WBK – Cashing out Bitcoin through Prepaid VISA Cards | Deep Dot Web

20:59:46 ThickAsThieves: lol

20:59:57 asciilifeform: at some point these folks will grow brains

20:59:59 asciilifeform: and do it right.

21:00:05 Duffer1: "Our initial investigations indicate that a vendor exploited a recently discovered vulnerability in the Bitcoin protocol known as “transaction malleability” to repeatedly withdraw coins from our system until it was completely empty."

21:00:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... not these folks. but maybe some other folks.

21:00:54 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 "recently discovered in 2011" lolz.

21:01:01 mircea_popescu: trace that "vendor", it's them.

21:01:27 mircea_popescu: perfect excuse to the "we run off with teh coin" thing. much better than the used up "we were haxed" workhorse.

21:01:37 Duffer1: yea that's my thoughts

21:01:49 mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess it's time for a mtgox burial article.

21:03:48 jborkl: if you can not trust your two week old internet drug dealer-- what is next?

21:06:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086705 = 3.2948 BTC [-]

21:09:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9233 @ 0.0008694 = 8.0272 BTC [+] {3}

21:10:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11567 @ 0.00087372 = 10.1063 BTC [+]

21:11:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04716666 = 0.283 BTC [-] {2}

21:19:01 benkay: pretty astonishing number of coins hitting these mktplacen

21:23:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00087343 = 9.6951 BTC [-] {2}

21:27:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 71 @ 0.04614534 = 3.2763 BTC [-] {8}

21:29:41 mircea_popescu: !t h rent

21:29:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (551 shares, 3.03050000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (29503 shares, 162.26650000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (29503 shares, 162.26650000 BTC)

21:30:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.0472 = 2.3128 BTC [+] {2}

21:30:13 mircea_popescu: benkay i have my doubts 4k btc found their way to said dubious sr thing.

21:30:32 mircea_popescu: basically you have two unreconciliable "realities", and only one is real.

21:30:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'strategic...' piece: DMA is an artifact from single-cpu days.

21:31:30 mircea_popescu: so it is

21:31:34 mircea_popescu: back then it was safe.

21:31:44 asciilifeform: solves the problem of 'how do i throw bits out (say,) the DAC, at X kHZ, regardless of what load OS is grunting under.'

21:32:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00087475 = 24.5367 BTC [+] {3}

21:32:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04896982 = 0.9794 BTC [+] {4}

21:33:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04870569 = 0.5845 BTC [-] {4}

21:33:34 bloctoc: I wonder how long it will take for the phrase "Silk Road" to replace the word "Al Quaida" as American Press' most feared thingy.

21:34:09 asciilifeform: nah, they'll just say 'wreckers' (or some suitably anglicised equivalent) and be done with it.

21:34:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2013#1764 since im digging up the logs

21:34:40 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

21:35:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00295642 = 1.1826 BTC [-] {5}

21:35:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever happened?

21:35:45 mircea_popescu: what ?

21:36:03 asciilifeform: 'a "good enough" clone that meets the basic criterion of "not being an outright scam'...

21:36:08 asciilifeform: or wrong link?

21:36:14 mircea_popescu: well not afaik

21:36:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.04896983 = 1.0773 BTC [+] {2}

21:36:25 mircea_popescu: the problem with both of those being that they're not engineering terms.

21:36:51 mircea_popescu: ie, the appearance and the reality easily cleaves (a word is an engineering term if appearance and reality never cleave)

21:36:52 asciilifeform: true.

21:37:02 mircea_popescu: and the criterion is attached to the reality rather than the appearance.

21:37:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00282401 = 1.6944 BTC [-] {12}

21:37:39 asciilifeform: question should've been more specific: 'what if' a 'soviet clone' of mpex, that is, one which bows in agreement to all of the technical decisions.

21:38:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 907 @ 0.00040763 = 0.3697 BTC [-] {6}

21:38:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.04896984 = 1.4201 BTC [+]

21:38:21 asciilifeform: although at the time i asked this question, i was not fully aware of the 'birdlessness' of the field.

21:38:32 asciilifeform: ('in the birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale')

21:40:04 mircea_popescu: indeed.

21:40:06 mircea_popescu: so... why not ?

21:40:10 mircea_popescu: because it's hard.

21:40:16 asciilifeform: right.

21:40:17 mircea_popescu: could a soviet soldier be replaced by any other man ?

21:40:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.04897985 = 0.8327 BTC [+]

21:40:25 mircea_popescu: sure, just as soon as that other man is willing to eat dog.

21:41:04 mircea_popescu: it's not hard in a technological sense, that's the easy part (even if it's what the emotion mill people seem to stumble over)

21:41:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.002803 = 2.803 BTC [-] {4}

21:41:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.04898712 = 1.7635 BTC [+] {2}

21:41:51 mircea_popescu: kind of what we're doing here, for that matter. trying to breed the sort of people that can compete with mpex.

21:42:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04999993 = 1 BTC [+]

21:43:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0262 = 0.2358 BTC [-]

21:46:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00279843 = 8.3953 BTC [-] {7}

21:47:06 asciilifeform: re: DMA: it, in itself, is not the problem. the problem, as always, is in the 'mouse-breeding kitchen' of the PC arch. in general.

21:47:27 ThickAsThieves: "We do respect your answer to this thread, but we do not like that you emidialty put your label "scammy" on our project."

21:47:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 168 @ 0.04999994 = 8.4 BTC [+] {2}

21:49:16 Duffer1: does it ever stop?

21:49:22 Duffer1: nevermind

21:51:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999995 = 0.2 BTC [+]

21:52:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00039095 = 0.7819 BTC [-] {9}

21:52:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.04999995 = 0.55 BTC [+]

21:53:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999995 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2}

21:53:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 58 @ 0.0055 = 0.319 BTC

21:53:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 400 @ 0.00038105 = 0.1524 BTC [-] {2}

21:54:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999995 = 0.15 BTC [+]

21:54:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7654 @ 0.00087297 = 6.6817 BTC [-]

21:56:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00087067 = 19.9819 BTC [-] {2}

21:56:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 124 @ 0.04999996 = 6.2 BTC [+] {3}

21:57:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999996 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2}

21:57:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.0756925 = 0.6055 BTC [-] {5}

21:58:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.04999996 = 1.55 BTC [+] {3}

21:58:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 243 @ 0.002798 = 0.6799 BTC [-] {3}

22:00:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05500014 = 0.275 BTC [+]

22:01:12 asciilifeform: DMA is also not really confined to PC arch; there's the fact that all recent (20 yrs. or so) DRAM works best in 'burst mode'

22:01:31 asciilifeform: that is, addr is clocked in, and auto-incremented for N cycles

22:02:29 asciilifeform: since a 'von-neumann style' cpu cannot guarantee 'paying attention' for a sufficiently-large N of cycles, we get dma.

22:03:07 asciilifeform: to understand 'burst', see any sdram datasheet, e.g. http://download.micron.com/pdf/datasheets/dram/sdram/512MbSDRAM.pdf

22:05:02 asciilifeform: i mention this in the hope of making it clear how pervasive the architectural problem mentioned in MP's piece is.

22:05:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.0818 = 0.409 BTC [+]

22:06:02 benkay: much informative!

22:06:11 benkay: big problem.

22:06:39 asciilifeform: that is, not the fact of dma being satanic in and of itself (it isn't), but just how thoroughly hardware designers are enslaved by architectural oddness beyond their control.

22:07:05 asciilifeform: e.g. support PCI or die, support consumer SDRAM sticks or die, etc.

22:07:35 ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu lawsky wants you to write more blogs to tell him how to make the bitlicense regulations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhIZd9b2-Qs#t=697

22:08:36 mircea_popescu: can i has summary ?

22:08:56 asciilifeform: virtually no one gets to 'design a computer' now. (not apple, either.) they get to glue the same old crap together in mildly-different ways.

22:09:34 ThickAsThieves: it's long...

22:09:47 ThickAsThieves: about 11min he starts saying that

22:09:57 ThickAsThieves: and then gives some examples of things he's considering

22:10:05 asciilifeform: if fpga with published internal specs existed (as it did in 1994, say) but of modern proportions, this could change.

22:11:03 Duffer1: "think of it as open-source code regulation"

22:12:43 asciilifeform: (see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-12-2013#432845 and below)

22:12:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0698 = 0.349 BTC [+]

22:13:13 kakobrekla: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg5113566#msg5113566

22:13:15 ozbot: So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right?

22:13:25 kakobrekla: zomg wtf is this some new levels of sarcasm i dont get?=!

22:21:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18771 @ 0.00086941 = 16.3197 BTC [-]

22:30:57 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/

22:30:58 ozbot: MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history - the straight dope. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:31:45 mircea_popescu: rassah is back ?!

22:32:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 580 @ 0.0001734 = 0.1006 BTC [+] {9}

22:32:34 kakobrekla: what is this article about, anyway.

22:32:36 kakobrekla: take a look

22:32:37 kakobrekla: http://images.bwbx.io/cms/2013-05-31/0531_gigaOM_630x354.jpg

22:32:47 kakobrekla: scissors and tape

22:32:56 kakobrekla: mtgox - making collages since bitcoin

22:33:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1426 @ 0.00017948 = 0.2559 BTC [+] {7}

22:34:00 decimation: ascii - in your article the interviewer proposes fixing the diddled NIC with a TPM chip - lel

22:34:06 kakobrekla: is this rassah some idiot i forgot about?

22:34:08 decimation: need a TPM in my mouse

22:34:21 decimation: And a TPM in my TPM

22:35:39 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well old timer, was really excited when btc broke 30, posted a story on forum about how he bought btc w/o his partner's knowledge out of their savbings, then sold out and bought a car

22:35:43 mircea_popescu: for great profit

22:35:56 mircea_popescu: but then as btc exploded i kind-of lost track

22:36:40 mircea_popescu: karpeles looks like he's writing php

22:37:04 kakobrekla: bought a fucking car. why does this ring a bell.

22:37:14 mircea_popescu: because people. and cars.

22:37:51 mircea_popescu: hey k: Advance Domain Availability Notice:You may be interested in joshzerlan.com, which will be available by auction soon.

22:38:07 kakobrekla: i got taht shit too.

22:38:26 kakobrekla: well done!

22:38:50 mircea_popescu: they're srsly handspamming us ?

22:39:31 kakobrekla: i have no other explanation

22:39:38 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-bitcoin-conference-nobody-went-to/ << 2012 stuff. "10% return on my S.MPOE trade today yesss 4.5 BTC" ; "It was a once in a lifetime opportunity I bought all that was available below 36000"

22:39:39 ozbot: The Bitcoin Conference Nobody Went To pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:40:56 mod6: mp: nice write up on gox

22:41:46 mircea_popescu: mod6 im sure it'll be all the rage on reddit.

22:42:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21363 @ 0.00086705 = 18.5228 BTC [-]

22:47:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0053534 = 0.5353 BTC [-] {3}

22:48:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2585 @ 0.00017998 = 0.4652 BTC [+] {4}

22:48:38 mod6: lol one guy in r/mtgox was just trying to buy someones account

22:48:40 mod6: http://www.reddit.com/r/MtGox/comments/1xu56k/does_anyone_want_to_sell_me_there_mt_gox_account/

22:48:41 ozbot: Does anyone want to sell me there MT Gox account ? : MtGox

22:48:45 mod6: kids these days..

22:48:47 Bugpowder: Thinknig of making some more money on S.MPOE... just need to get the new key working with pyMPEX

22:50:07 mircea_popescu: mod6 link him to the earlier discussion here ?

22:52:41 mod6: Bug: should just be able to add the new key to your keyring and then grab the latest version

22:52:52 mod6: if it's got this line: self._mpex_fingerprint = 'A57D509A' [ you should be ok ]

22:53:06 mod6: mircea_popescu: ahh, I would, don't have reddit acct.

22:53:44 mod6: maybe I can just make an anon comment? /me tries

22:53:50 mircea_popescu: mod6 that's their curse, nobody with a clue has accounts

22:53:54 mircea_popescu: eh let it be, makes no diff.

22:54:13 mod6: ahh, ok.

22:54:50 mike_c: Bugpowder: have you seen herbi's charts? I think he decided if you see between 7 and 9 downward ticks you buy immediately for fast profits!

22:55:00 mod6: lol "Moderators: MagicalTux" :: He'd prolly just delete the post.

22:55:51 Bugpowder: I'll give it a try again. I have a bit of an issue because I use a sub key for my own key and need to specify it directly in the pyMPEX script.

22:56:30 mod6: ahh

22:57:07 mircea_popescu: mod6 i doubt he has the time for anything these days.

22:57:43 mod6: too busy programming strange things in php

22:57:45 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder how did that hk thing work in the end ?

22:58:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0053138 = 0.2497 BTC [-] {6}

22:58:45 Bugpowder: China spread collapsed before we could set it up

22:59:13 Bugpowder: but it was good to talk to a good lawyer team about bitcoin financial issues

22:59:19 mircea_popescu: spreads will rise again.

22:59:26 BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xufu4/mtgox_and_ancient_bitcoin_history/

22:59:26 ozbot: MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history : Bitcoin

22:59:46 mircea_popescu: lol stealth

23:00:09 mircea_popescu: pretty much the only thing one can say about 2014 btc/fiat is "spreads"

23:00:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 723 @ 0.00018181 = 0.1314 BTC [+] {3}

23:03:27 herbijudlestoids: hullo ladies/gents

23:03:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 912 @ 0.00018219 = 0.1662 BTC [+] {3}

23:03:59 mircea_popescu: Add to the very narrow margins and very active competition the burden of regulatory infringement. Money changers are spending as it is now literally immense sums (in Bitcoin terms) to try and mostly comply with obscure and convoluted regulation, which they can?t avoid or ignore because they?re always stuck with one foot in fiat. In exchange for this draining expenditure they are receiving nothing at all, certainly

23:04:00 mircea_popescu: not the protection of their etatist overlords.

23:04:00 mircea_popescu: They?re not in fact receiving as much as recognition of status or effort, they find themselves in the untenable position of a poor immigrant who is spending all his wages and borrowing at unbearable, immigrant-ghetto rates to buy flowers and wine for some local beauty who barely even registers their desperation or even presence.

23:04:03 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/

23:04:03 ozbot: Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:04:09 mircea_popescu: god i wish i was a girl so i could fuck myself.

23:04:18 KRS-One: i would fondle my boobies.

23:04:20 KRS-One: .bait

23:04:21 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxjv54XLIw1qd33kzo1_500.jpg

23:04:28 KRS-One: pfft

23:04:29 KRS-One: .bait

23:04:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54 = 1.62 BTC [-]

23:04:45 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m28dw85scM1qducgxo1_1280.jpg

23:04:49 mircea_popescu: what pff, you discriminate against onelegged women ?

23:04:55 herbijudlestoids: last night i put 10ATC onto openex in a cascade limit

23:04:57 imsaguy: hi

23:04:58 herbijudlestoids: just to see what would happen

23:05:05 KRS-One: I demand a certain quality of bait.

23:05:11 herbijudlestoids: all the way down to 1 satoshi over the highest bid

23:05:19 mircea_popescu: imsaguy ello

23:05:25 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so what happened ?

23:05:32 imsaguy: ltns

23:05:33 herbijudlestoids: went to the bathroom and someone had cleared about 5.25 out

23:05:36 herbijudlestoids: by the time igot back

23:05:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [-]

23:05:53 mircea_popescu: at 600 ?!

23:05:58 herbijudlestoids: no

23:06:04 herbijudlestoids: from 201 to 275

23:06:12 herbijudlestoids: i had it in 0.125 and 0.5ATC increments

23:06:17 mircea_popescu: herbi, how would you like to be my atc daytrader on openex ?

23:06:25 herbijudlestoids: lol

23:06:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 70909 @ 0.00019548 = 13.8613 BTC [+] {37}

23:06:58 herbijudlestoids: will you send me some BTC to actually limit bid the market?

23:07:11 herbijudlestoids: or do i have to take some ATC hits to generate my own BTC to limit the market

23:07:11 mircea_popescu: no, ima send you some atc.

23:07:29 Bugpowder: Is ATC listed on cryptsy yet?

23:07:31 herbijudlestoids: yea well its kinda fuckin hard to be a successful daytrader in a 0 liquidity market :P

23:07:40 pankkake: what, under 500 satoshi?! I should have sold all my stuff to jurov!

23:07:41 herbijudlestoids: unless i have the fund to make my own market

23:07:42 mircea_popescu: if it's hard when it's easy then it's hard permanently.

23:07:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1408 @ 0.00019999 = 0.2816 BTC [+]

23:07:56 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder nah, i don't think we like cryptsy.

23:08:03 mircea_popescu: actually, do we like crypsy ?

23:08:10 herbijudlestoids: i dun think we do

23:08:17 KRS-One: i think crypsy sucks ass

23:08:26 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you're the scamspert, do you like cryptsy ?

23:08:28 herbijudlestoids: certainly not the xchange iv been hearing ThickAsThieves talking about

23:08:35 herbijudlestoids: hes mentioning other ones iirc

23:08:38 KRS-One: LOL scamspert

23:08:38 pankkake: I use cryptsy… but it's so broken

23:08:39 mircea_popescu: mkay then. we don't like cryptsy.

23:08:42 jurov: pankkake :>

23:08:49 pankkake: auto sell doesn't work anymore

23:08:49 mircea_popescu: pankkake heretic

23:08:54 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> Bugpowder nah, i don't think we like cryptsy. // we certainly don't

23:08:56 pankkake: so I am forced to use that horrible interface

23:09:12 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so you game or what ?

23:09:31 pankkake: I guess I could use btc-e for what I do (sell primecoin)

23:09:34 Bugpowder: I like cryptsy's order matching

23:09:43 mike_c: mircea_popescu: the "vendor expoliting tx malleability until our wallet was empty" was the silk road excuse, not the mtgox excuse i believe

23:09:43 Bugpowder: it's so brillian

23:09:44 pankkake: because it's buggy? :)

23:09:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 40417 @ 0.00021994 = 8.8893 BTC [+] {25}

23:09:54 mircea_popescu: mike_c :)

23:10:24 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1615275/

23:10:24 ozbot: dpaste: #1615275

23:10:28 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: like i said. the market has no liquidity, which makes the only game in town worth playing, making markets. if i cant make on both sides of the book, then its basically me just selling ATC arbitrarily, or i gotta take some initial losses to generate BTC from ATC sales and use those small amount of BTC to make the bids

23:10:47 mike_c: hehe

23:10:48 mike_c: ok

23:10:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 23125 @ 0.000257 = 5.9431 BTC [+] {3}

23:11:49 ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves you're the scamspert, do you like cryptsy ? <<<< i dont know any of the people doing any of em, but this morning i inquired with all of them

23:11:50 mircea_popescu: see Jere_Jones people have a lot of trouble stepping outside of the environment they perceive as familiar and thus imagine safe.

23:11:51 herbijudlestoids: we arent talking about an exchange running asset class where there is intraday vol

23:12:08 herbijudlestoids: so its not as if there is some vol to scalp

23:12:38 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you familiar with the concept that he who can't make a sharpened stick can't make an airplane or anything else ?

23:13:06 kakobrekla: he who can make a shapened stick can make a buttcoin

23:13:16 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla anywhere he wants :D

23:13:20 mircea_popescu: you know the joke ?

23:13:26 herbijudlestoids: not specifically

23:13:38 mircea_popescu: guy goes to brothel, asks for most expensive dame

23:13:45 mircea_popescu: they bring him a $250 a number chick

23:13:51 mircea_popescu: he's like im not looking to spend less than 10k

23:13:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1779 @ 0.000257 = 0.4572 BTC [+]

23:13:57 mircea_popescu: so he leaves. goes to next brothel.

23:14:10 mircea_popescu: they being tipped off pretend like the fee is 10k.

23:14:26 mircea_popescu: guy follows gal in the room, she sprawls herself on bed, "Honey what'd you like ? cunt ? assgole ?"

23:14:42 mircea_popescu: the asshole's laying out some shit from his case onto a small table

23:14:48 mircea_popescu: "babe, for 10k i make my own holes"

23:14:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025677 = 0.2568 BTC [-] {2}

23:14:56 herbijudlestoids: haha

23:15:34 mircea_popescu: sooo... anyone with a sharpened stick can make his own buttcoin

23:15:37 mircea_popescu: anywhere he wants.

23:15:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00298145 = 0.2981 BTC [+] {6}

23:15:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 130 @ 0.0055 = 0.715 BTC

23:16:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC

23:17:04 ThickAsThieves: mp wants his troops trained before the battle

23:17:30 ThickAsThieves: brazzers/pornhub taking btc now

23:17:46 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves generally, if you live in a town where people have the right to bear arms, it's better to live in the one where people actually know how to use arms.

23:17:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC

23:18:15 mircea_popescu: this i guess is somewhat counterintuitive

23:18:59 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i get the joke, its amusing. but i am not sure why you feel what im saying is an indication of trouble for me stepping outside my comfort zone

23:19:15 herbijudlestoids: i dont mind playing in new markets, but all businesses should be appropriately capitalised

23:19:33 mircea_popescu: the thinking is like this : it's a bare market.

23:19:46 mircea_popescu: any dangers, inconveniences and issues you face, anyone else also faces.

23:19:56 herbijudlestoids: no

23:19:58 mircea_popescu: sure, someone could show up with a 100 btc wallet and beat you into a pulp.

23:19:59 assbot: