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00:06:50 mircea_popescu: might be yes

00:11:04 danielpbarron: lol they take donations through coinbase

00:11:16 danielpbarron: i'm trying to buy a cd but it doesn't look like they sell one

00:20:28 asciilifeform: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2015/Feb/42

00:20:29 assbot: Full Disclosure: CVE-2014-6412 - WordPress (all versions) lacks CSPRNG ... ( http://bit.ly/17pCkxx )

00:21:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^

00:21:41 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: haiku << yet another 'c os', but with questionable posixness and 'we're different because we're special' derp

00:22:13 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: on top of that, x86-32 (yes) only

00:24:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19953 @ 0.00042327 = 8.4455 BTC [-] {2}

00:24:41 BingoBoingo: Haiku >> BeOS resurrection attempt. Neverming that BeOS and the BeBox were Power PC

00:25:22 asciilifeform: beos minus the ui or the commercial softs

00:25:24 asciilifeform: and minus the be.

00:27:39 BingoBoingo: That too

00:31:51 BingoBoingo: And incredibly slow to get to the point of resembling anything, much less being anything https://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/Haiku-selfhosting

00:31:52 assbot: [openbeos] Haiku self-hosting. - openbeos - FreeLists ... ( http://bit.ly/17pFHEu )

00:33:00 asciilifeform: bebox, afaik, never had anything like 1g of ram

00:33:15 asciilifeform: and was famous for smooth real-time interaction

00:33:20 asciilifeform: (film editors, etc.)

00:33:57 asciilifeform: these idiots - don't deserve so much as the time of day.

00:34:33 BingoBoingo: Also bebox was one good looking piece of hardware

00:36:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not news ?

00:37:54 mircea_popescu: kindawhy all the bruteforcing of wp blog admin pws.

00:39:59 asciilifeform: in that sense, not news

00:40:12 asciilifeform: in other news,

00:40:17 asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/EuoNzHn.jpg << picked this up for later.

00:40:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/170EIcO )

00:40:26 asciilifeform: ~17 usd.

00:40:36 asciilifeform: available in qty. $maxint

00:40:59 asciilifeform: (all the ports on the box are visible in the photo)

00:44:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9598 @ 0.00040889 = 3.9245 BTC [-]

00:45:08 mike_c: oddly hypnotic: http://i.imgur.com/JHBwH3f.jpg

00:45:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/170FCGc )

00:47:46 jurov: i can't find myself :'(

00:52:10 mike_c: jurov: you're three right of mircea. thestringpuller is crowding you with his long name.

00:52:13 mike_c: https://s3.amazonaws.com/btcalpha/static/foobar.svg

00:52:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/170HBdB )

00:54:33 jurov: i guessed it right

00:55:04 mike_c: magicaltux is just past 3 o'clock. lots of thick red lines incoming :)

00:55:19 jurov: yes,. guessed that too

00:57:50 jurov: !up brendafdez

00:57:58 jurov: hi brenda

01:01:34 jurov: !up brendafdez

01:02:03 brendafdez: thanks

01:03:32 brendafdez: I was considering seeing that most anyone is running a ponzi scheme on facebook, I wouldn twant to miss out, but your opinion on the matter would be greatly appreciated. What would you consider an appropriate domain name?

01:03:32 brendafdez: Either for the ponzi scheme or for a perosnal blog, i'm still not sure which one to do first ;)

01:04:09 brendafdez: i did read the DNS post, thankfully my own name and the domain i use for pretty much everything start with br already

01:04:11 jurov: lol why us?

01:04:20 brendafdez: because

01:04:48 jurov: !s forlorn

01:04:49 assbot: 1 results for 'forlorn' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=forlorn

01:04:59 jurov: ^my ideas, free to use

01:05:23 BingoBoingo: !b 9

01:05:24 assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DTS8R8.txt )

01:06:25 brendafdez: ^facebook^bitcoin

01:06:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00040889 = 5.152 BTC [-]

01:08:01 BingoBoingo: brendafdez: If you really want to run a ponzi scheme you might be better off on Friendster. Facebook is pretty much a law enforcement honeypot anymore.

01:08:44 brendafdez: I meant bitcoin instead of facebook, I trid to replace the word later ;)

01:08:54 BingoBoingo: And ponzi schemes are so passe. Better just go back to the old Black Hand racket.

01:09:18 jurov: brendafdez: won't you rather do an affiliate for honest-to-God dice game?

01:09:45 brendafdez: provable fairness is not my cup of tea

01:09:53 jurov: !b 1

01:09:54 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/14P0T6H.txt )

01:13:51 brendafdez: well, honestly, i was kidding with the ponzi scheme, even though I own the domain ponzify.me which i think will serve me well sometime in the future. During a bad hangover I thought it would be a good idea to so something there, along the lines of a game which simulates a ponzi scheme, but open and hones, where all funds received in each round are distributed in their entirety, and I only profit from a small fee deducted from each, and the hash

01:14:01 mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://i.imgur.com/EuoNzHn.jpg << picked this up for later. << cool! deck of cards cca. 1955

01:14:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/170NIyE )

01:14:40 jurov: http://bitcoinpyramid.com/ << brendafdez, old idea

01:14:41 assbot: Bitcoin Pyramid ... ( http://bit.ly/170NTtJ )

01:14:47 brendafdez: oh :(

01:15:07 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bill-would-ban-federal-employees-from-porn-breaks-at-work/

01:15:12 mod6: mike_c: that's an awesome graph. did you generate that?

01:15:22 cazalla: brendafdez, don't the good ideas come prior to the hang over?

01:15:50 brendafdez: if they were to come i wouldn't care much about the timing

01:16:41 mike_c: mod6: yeah

01:16:50 mod6: very cool

01:18:33 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.0199 BTC. Current weight: 38,912.

01:18:35 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 72.9218 BTC. Current weight: 90,906.

01:20:30 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

01:20:37 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 222.35, vol: 7415.36814229 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 217.941, vol: 5730.36662 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 221.85, vol: 19876.98211105 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 219.48109, vol: 107921.39720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 223.99999, vol: 2.519 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 228.985819772, vol: 36.72501356 | Volume-weighted last average: 219.905934254

01:27:44 decimation: asciilifeform, others with interest < apparently Oracle/Sun still produce sparc chips, they shipped 7000 units in Q3 2014! http://www.itworld.com/article/2883087/oracle-says-it-still-fully-supports-the-sparc-processor.html

01:27:45 assbot: Oracle says it still fully supports the Sparc processor | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/170Rwjk )

01:34:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3934 @ 0.00076217 = 2.9984 BTC [-] {5}

01:34:18 BingoBoingo: decimation: "rent seeking"

01:35:22 mod6: this is the ongoing battle for fbsd: http://dpaste.com/2G50MYJ

01:35:23 assbot: dpaste: 2G50MYJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1zQcc9q )

01:41:28 decimation: mod6: does it work on openbsd?

01:42:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25237 @ 0.00040889 = 10.3192 BTC [-]

01:44:14 mod6: decimation: so, a guy had some patches to make it build on obsd and it's on github, but it's like v0.9x iirc.

01:44:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.0004084 = 7.1674 BTC [-] {2}

01:44:56 mod6: last I remember, I asked in here and BB was using a forward version on obsd that he got working, but he said it wasn't stable.

01:45:24 mod6: no real big effort has been undertaken to get the RI (v0.5.3.1) on to openbsd yet.

01:46:25 mod6: I put like 8-10 hours into it in the beginning of January, but got side tracked before I got too far.

01:46:53 decimation: I had it running (0.5.3) on openbsd awhile ago

01:46:59 decimation: but it was using older libraries

01:47:01 mod6: how did it work for you?

01:47:03 mod6: ah

01:47:09 mod6: like old boost?

01:47:13 mod6: or bdb?

01:47:16 decimation: yes I think so

01:47:28 decimation: I remember using the boost/bdb that was available on the ports

01:47:43 ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> It would be amazing if mod6 and ben_vulpes could rip it out of the code completely << i like how you're implying i know anything about cpp

01:47:43 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:47:47 mod6: did it require any patches to source?

01:47:54 decimation: a couple of header things

01:47:59 decimation: and some makefile repair

01:48:03 mod6: yeah, ok, seems about the same as fbsd

01:48:06 mod6: yup.

01:48:07 mod6: ok.

01:48:23 ben_vulpes: <mike_c> [] https://s3.amazonaws.com/btcalpha/static/foobar.svg << neat

01:48:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/170HBdB )

01:48:25 decimation: I would be surprised if they were remarkably different, other than the versions of supporting libs

01:49:16 mod6: i guess i can give it a shot. because im out of ideas on this bug on fbsd.

01:49:26 mod6: i've got a obsd 5.6 vm

01:49:59 decimation: I think I blew away my obsd 5.6 vm

01:54:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00040764 = 13.2891 BTC [-] {2}

01:54:40 decimation: sigh, I need to configure a bouncer

01:56:22 ben_vulpes: what bouncers does everyone use?

01:56:29 ben_vulpes: i'm currently using znc and i hate hate HATE it.

01:56:58 decimation: I donno. I've been looking around and there don't seem to be very many maintained bouncers

01:57:23 ben_vulpes: znc is a laggy buggy piece of shit

01:57:34 decimation: it doesn't seem like a very hard problem

01:57:45 ben_vulpes: i was very happy when i was running an emacs irc client on a remote host over mosh.

01:57:56 decimation: irc seems to be about 100x more complicated than it needs to be

01:58:18 decimation: ben_vulpes: why not go back to that?

01:58:19 ben_vulpes: but then i got all grumpy about having to maintain multiple sets of finger macros for the emacs-in-terminal vs the emacs-in-xserver

01:58:30 decimation: ah

02:01:31 ben_vulpes: decimation: i don't know that this was a good decision.

02:01:40 ben_vulpes: maybe i should run an x server on the remote host as well!

02:01:51 decimation: yeah I think I would pick the finger-macros

02:02:34 decimation: nah, x over laggy network sucks

02:02:42 ben_vulpes: mk well nm then.

02:03:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00040757 = 15.2635 BTC [-]

02:04:37 decimation: if you are gonna go that route you might as well use vnc or other 'slim' window-network protocol

02:04:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31850 @ 0.00041715 = 13.2862 BTC [+]

02:06:29 decimation: ben_vulpes: did you figure out how to get erc to use sasl?

02:06:41 decimation: the documentation I found was sparse

02:11:13 decimation: !up thestringpuller

02:11:30 thestringpuller: thanks decimation

02:15:12 decimation: !up TheNewDeal

02:15:29 ben_vulpes: decimation: i did at one point.

02:15:30 TheNewDeal: Gratzi

02:19:02 decimation: emacs is great, but it is annoying how you have dick around with the settings for certain poorly written extensions sometimes

02:19:40 ben_vulpes: s/emacs/oss

02:19:58 decimation: aye

02:24:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00040757 = 8.9869 BTC [-]

02:26:22 asciilifeform: x over laggy network sucks << unless one (or both) endpoints is in orbit, or at sea, there is really no excuse for this

02:30:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 111 @ 0.00935 = 1.0379 BTC [+]

02:31:53 thestringpuller: portaturd still has wallet.dat?

02:32:38 asciilifeform: sure

02:32:41 asciilifeform: nobody snipped the wallet

02:33:45 thestringpuller: I wonder when my pogo buttplugs are coming.

02:36:07 thestringpuller: mike_c: now you see the pain with my graph :P

02:37:14 decimation: re laggy X < asciilifeform do you often experience sub 100 ms latencies?

02:37:53 asciilifeform: nope

02:37:56 asciilifeform: see above.

02:38:00 asciilifeform: or wait

02:38:03 asciilifeform: sub?

02:38:05 asciilifeform: sure

02:38:19 decimation: I guess my network sucks

02:39:25 ben_vulpes: oh my network sucks

02:39:28 ben_vulpes: i take that as a given

02:41:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56800 @ 0.00040757 = 23.15 BTC [-]

02:41:30 TheNewDeal: ;;Bids 216.9

02:41:30 gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 1672.5535 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 365825.458696 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0232 seconds

02:41:42 TheNewDeal: ;;Ticker

02:41:43 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 221.93, Best ask: 222.23, Bid-ask spread: 0.30000, Last trade: 222.23, 24 hour volume: 7341.41273175, 24 hour low: 218.01, 24 hour high: 223.38, 24 hour vwap: 221.330426469

02:44:20 decimation: !up thestringpuller

02:49:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00041557 = 3.9064 BTC [+]

02:53:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2241 @ 0.00075009 = 1.681 BTC [-] {7}

02:58:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 228 @ 0.00551997 = 1.2586 BTC [+] {14}

03:01:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00041565 = 6.3179 BTC [+] {2}

03:03:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 204 @ 0.00577271 = 1.1776 BTC [-] {2}

03:11:05 mod6: i've got a script to pull archives, verify and patch on Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD. Will only compile it on Linux since we're not quite there yet on *BSD, give it a try, let me know how it goes:

03:11:21 mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KEdQ3NLe

03:11:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6aK2n )

03:12:08 thestringpuller: ick a perl script

03:12:21 thestringpuller: mod6: have been born before 1985 :D

03:12:22 thestringpuller: jkjk

03:12:23 thestringpuller: <3

03:12:23 mod6: there is a subroutine in there to check on the openssl version, but that needs some work yet. so its commented out from execution.

03:12:33 thestringpuller: it looks pretty tho

03:12:52 mod6: and OpenBSD seems to be using "LibreSSL 2.0" by default

03:13:21 mod6: thestringpuller: haha

03:13:32 thestringpuller: how long did it take to write this script? looks more like a binary than just s cript :P

03:13:46 mod6: this is the 8th version.

03:14:29 mod6: v1-4 took like 1 evening maybe 2. spent another whole day getting it working on FreeBSD, and just an hour or two now on OpenBSD

03:14:42 mod6: it was pretty quick over all.

03:15:11 mod6: i'd much rather program this type of stuff in perl as opposed to sh/bash/ksh/csh/tcsh/zsh/ash *stab*

03:15:28 thestringpuller: how do I set home?

03:15:32 thestringpuller: "HOME directory not set"

03:15:37 thestringpuller: $HOME is set to my user home

03:15:46 mod6: should be line 41

03:15:59 mod6: or search the file for XXX

03:16:29 mod6: also if you want it to not clean out the stuff that it builds with, change $FULL_CLEAN to FALSE

03:17:04 thestringpuller: do I need to download any thing or does it download everything i need?

03:17:31 mod6: in 1985 i was crushing other kidz in pitfall

03:17:54 thestringpuller: the only good game for atari it seems

03:17:57 thestringpuller: now I want o play that

03:18:06 *: mod6 grabs rope and swings over alligator

03:20:01 thestringpuller: it's not checking for my os

03:20:02 thestringpuller: :(

03:20:24 thestringpuller: checkOS(); << that's not printing anything for me

03:20:40 mod6: what are you running it on?

03:21:20 decimation: maybe it will compile on osx as a side effect

03:21:21 thestringpuller: dmesg | grep -e ".*\\s+Linux version (.*)\\s+.*" << this returns zilch for me

03:21:47 thestringpuller: i'm on debian 7

03:21:47 mod6: eh, yeah, i probably need to tidy that up a bit.

03:22:00 *: mod6 tinkers

03:22:02 thestringpuller: can I just override to make it "linux"

03:22:30 decimation: pitfall was pretty classic

03:22:54 thestringpuller: lets see if it compiles mr. six of modulo

03:23:08 thestringpuller: "Compiling bitcoind..."

03:23:38 mod6: guess i tried to get too cute with that line, just change it to this:

03:23:39 mod6: dmesg | grep -e ".*Linux.*"

03:23:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22786 @ 0.00040757 = 9.2869 BTC [-]

03:24:26 mod6: ill update it on my side if that works better

03:24:45 thestringpuller: script is currently running right now

03:24:50 thestringpuller: i'll change it if it fails

03:24:53 thestringpuller: but looks like its compiling

03:25:12 thestringpuller: i have all old libs needed to compile bitcoind 0.72 downloaded (boost and stuff) so it should chug on some level

03:26:13 thestringpuller: i really wish I could see the compilation output

03:26:17 thestringpuller: why is it being swallowed?

03:26:35 mod6: the current hypothesis is that if you're not running 1.0.1g openssl you'll wedge @ 168,001

03:26:44 mod6: on a bad signature

03:26:59 mod6: for this tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/2c2314f353013f920d8fbfde242d7d23ba4cb9b97dc24f481dd0ccfd8f56324c?show_adv=true

03:27:01 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 2c2314f353013f920d8fbfde242d7d23ba4cb9b97dc24f481dd0ccfd8f56324c ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHBebe )

03:27:42 mod6: thestringpuller: eh, i could put it to stdout. just figured that it was cleaner without it. but i can add it.

03:27:42 thestringpuller: really? that transaction requires openssl to verify?!?

03:28:24 thestringpuller: how was alf able to get pogoturd up to to date?

03:28:25 mod6: after a week of banging my head on the wall, that seems to be the thing that gets me and ben past the wall.

03:29:00 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: up to date ?

03:29:19 thestringpuller: isn't version on pogoturd derived from foundations codebase?

03:29:19 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: notice that 'portatronic' recipe featured 1.0.1g

03:29:33 thestringpuller: Oh i see.

03:29:33 mod6: well, the really strange thing is that it totally isnt consistant. just as recently as the 26th of January I completed full sync with v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 } and openssl v0.9.8o

03:29:45 *: thestringpuller continues browsing mailing archive

03:29:51 mod6: its all in the logs and there's a permutation matrix, etc.

03:30:01 asciilifeform: i have not tried it with any other version of openssl

03:30:03 mod6: it'll be in the end month report... for sure

03:30:16 thestringpuller: maybe I missed the memo, but what does openssl do in the context of bitcoind?

03:30:19 thestringpuller: i.e. why?

03:30:37 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 1) (the biggie) ecdsa signature verification & creation

03:30:42 asciilifeform: 2) wallet crypt with aes

03:30:52 mod6: yeah crypto routines

03:31:17 mod6: someone posted a comment in the powerranger github about a change to DER

03:31:20 *: mod6 looks

03:33:10 mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014126

03:33:10 assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 01:29:45; assbot: Improve robustness of DER recoding code · f19dded · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQYAMP )

03:33:31 mod6: anyway, im not sure yet.

03:33:36 mod6: more research is required

03:35:13 thestringpuller: kinda weird how older clients naturally won't have heartbleed

03:35:30 thestringpuller: s/weird/conspicuous

03:35:46 thestringpuller: s/won't/wouldn't have had/

03:36:16 asciilifeform: at any rate, no https, no heartbleed

03:36:42 thestringpuller: hearn wanted to merge that in iirc, something about 2-factor?

03:37:21 thestringpuller: mod6: it compiled

03:37:45 thestringpuller: I gotta run it as a different user tho cause I'm running another bitcoind rite nao

03:38:32 mod6: nice

03:38:47 thestringpuller: unless you can set where bitcoind puts .bitcoin directory?

03:38:47 mod6: ok made the update in here (v0.0.8.1):

03:38:48 mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=BCBvCVrG

03:38:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHC2wA )

03:39:27 mod6: sure, you can put .bitcoin where ever you like and just do like `./bitcoind -datadir=/path/to/.bitcoin -daemon -debug &`

03:40:00 thestringpuller: will it `mkdir .bitcoin` on the directory or do I have to do it myself?

03:40:21 mod6: bitcoind will use ~/.bitcoin by default

03:40:36 mod6: so you probably wanna do `mkdir -p /path/to/.bitcoin`

03:41:09 danielpbarron: you can specify directory with -datadir=

03:41:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12279 @ 0.00040757 = 5.0046 BTC [-]

03:41:16 danielpbarron: oh someone said

03:41:57 mod6: ok, im gotta try to patch up this thing on openbsd and see if i can get anywhere.

03:51:16 mod6: aight, patched up, installing boost 1.53 on obsd

03:51:18 mod6: we'll see.

04:09:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00040816 = 11.9387 BTC [+]

04:18:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00040816 = 7.4897 BTC [+]

04:27:24 mod6: getting close: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=NizDiqXj

04:27:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHEqU5 )

04:28:01 mod6: i might have to build boost 1.42 by hand. the horror.

04:28:06 mod6: the horror.

04:29:36 mod6: boost_thread is in there though... o_O

04:29:36 mod6: # ls /usr/local/include/boost/thr

04:29:37 mod6: thread.hpp thread/

04:36:29 mod6: oh weird.

04:36:31 mod6: it worked

04:36:53 thestringpuller: an hour passes

04:37:00 thestringpuller: how quick the time moves

04:38:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00040745 = 6.8655 BTC [-] {2}

04:38:48 mod6: you need the red-ring and the magical swoard & shield for this type of thing

04:42:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00040816 = 1.7959 BTC [+]

04:47:52 mod6: FUCK. YES. \o/

04:47:53 mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6hyK8VrD

04:47:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHFoQe )

04:50:08 TheNewDeal: Conrad references and bitcoind buolds... only in #ba

04:51:11 TheNewDeal: Errr I guess I'm not sure if that line is ib the book

04:52:08 mod6: you gotta love this

04:52:08 mod6: /home/mod6/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/src/util.cpp:692: warning: strcpy() is almost always misused, please use strlcpy()

05:07:23 mod6: here's the patch

05:07:24 mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ei2pJTur

05:07:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHGtYy )

05:09:44 mod6: here's a picture of what libs I had installed & openssl version: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=be4Yr0MZ

05:09:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHGAmS )

05:10:16 mod6: i'll formalize this stuff in the next few days and get it on to the list.

05:16:43 mod6: more good news. my AWS instance achieved full sync just now with the following config: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } & openssl version 1.0.1g : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VVz5j1dW

05:16:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHGXhl )

05:16:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00040647 = 7.6416 BTC [-]

05:17:02 mod6: (this is on debian 6)

05:18:25 asciilifeform: mod6: why did you snip the static build?

05:18:44 asciilifeform: mod6: that patch renders bitcoind-portatronic unbuildable

05:21:12 mod6: ah. i'll add it back in. no prob. just wanted someone to look over my shoulder on that part.

05:21:55 *: asciilifeform presently thinks that bitcoind should only ever be build statically

05:22:00 asciilifeform: *built

05:23:34 mod6: that's fine. i kinda was thinking trying to statically link the libs was giving me an issue. forgot to add it back in.

05:24:38 mod6: i'll have another patch here in a minute. meanwhile, i have v0.0.8.2 of the perl script, few tweeks in case anyone cares: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UNzScJP7

05:24:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHHiQS )

05:25:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00041245 = 7.3622 BTC [+] {3}

05:28:25 asciilifeform: unrelated historical:

05:28:31 asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3237547471622801@naggum.net.html << naggum on the 'altcoins' of his time.

05:28:31 assbot: Re: Why I can't use Lisp. - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHHsYD )

05:29:00 asciilifeform: unrelated2: anybody here into Ada?

05:34:41 mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ipcYZDsy

05:34:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHHI9T )

05:34:48 mod6: asciilifeform: that look better?

05:40:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4705 @ 0.00041715 = 1.9627 BTC [+]

05:54:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6396 @ 0.00041715 = 2.6681 BTC [+]

06:14:35 mod6: obsd v0.5.3.1 got past first 2 checkpoints: "version" : 50301, "blocks" : 42307,

06:19:26 mod6: passed 3rd checkpoint..

06:19:58 mod6: 4th

06:20:54 mod6: 5th

06:26:32 mod6: one thing that sucks about this version of bdb 4.6 is that it doesn't support my database flag to autoremote the database transaction logs : dbenv.log_set_config(DB_LOG_AUTO_REMOVE, 1);

06:26:36 mod6: :/

06:26:55 mod6: s/autoremote/autoremove/

06:32:39 mod6: 6th checkpoint passed

06:42:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00042019 = 6.3869 BTC [+]

06:43:05 punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions?

06:43:58 danielpbarron: exceptions

06:44:22 mod6: 7th checkpoint passed

06:44:53 mod6: punkman: yeah, there's a bunch of work to be done surrouding openssl/libressl

06:44:56 ben_vulpes: punkman: asciilifeform proposed snipping the crypto routines out of ssl and dropping them wholesale into the bitcoind

06:45:28 ben_vulpes: okay hey so devil's advocate for a moment

06:45:32 ben_vulpes: what's so bad about boost?

06:45:38 punkman: fuck boost

06:46:01 ben_vulpes: a well-reasoned critique. thanks punkman.

06:46:05 punkman: :D

06:46:12 mod6: so, the funny part is, as the story goes, most of what is in boost was put into the 2011 standard.

06:46:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35315 @ 0.00042065 = 14.8553 BTC [+] {2}

06:46:44 mod6: one sec, lemme find this /. post & artcile i was reading.

06:47:34 *: danielpbarron whips out a stick and points to a random line of boost source asking, "what does this line do?"

06:47:35 mod6: this is probably worth a read: http://developers-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/03/15/1423208/comparing-the-c-standard-and-boost

06:47:37 assbot: Comparing the C++ Standard and Boost - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSfMkZ )

06:50:23 punkman: I wonder what the liberally sprinkled "CRITICAL_BLOCK" does

06:50:46 ben_vulpes: i have no clue, man.

06:51:17 punkman: was replaced with something named "LOCK" soon after 0.5.3

06:51:26 mod6: its thread safty

06:51:51 ben_vulpes: well okay i grok that it's related to thread safety

06:52:00 ben_vulpes: but as to danielpbarron's pointer...

06:52:04 mod6: mutual exlusion semaphore

06:52:23 mod6: *exclusion

06:52:51 ben_vulpes: i am full of questions as to how that's implemented

06:53:52 mod6: red ring + magical sword & shield required.

06:54:04 mod6: its hairy in there.

06:55:02 mod6: An adventurer is you!

06:55:35 ben_vulpes: doesn't look like there are that many different boost functions called.

06:55:43 ben_vulpes: assuming, that is that all boost functions start with BOOST_

06:57:11 mod6: i think a lot of em are, yeah.

06:58:46 mod6: i thought the warings at the end of the openbsd compilation were rather lulzy

06:59:00 mod6: gotta add a patch for that stuff

07:01:35 mod6: thestringpuller: thanks for testing that script tonight

07:09:43 punkman: mod6, did you statically compile that last instance?

07:10:17 mod6: no

07:12:11 mod6: i'll rebuild with STATIC and see

07:12:31 ben_vulpes: forgive the naivte, but what does static compilation buy one?

07:12:58 punkman: not wondering about what version openssl you are using for one

07:14:31 ben_vulpes: yeah explicit deps are nice

07:16:29 punkman: and you can move the binary to other machine without having to pull all the boost-dev packages

07:18:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00042205 = 9.1585 BTC [+]

07:21:35 punkman: this is nice https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock

07:21:36 assbot: gorhill/uBlock · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mild0f )

07:23:06 punkman: http://gelio.livejournal.com/193025.html

07:23:08 assbot: Gelio (Степанов Слава) - An-225 Mriya is the world’s largest aircraft (English version) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Milgt0 )

07:30:57 mod6: well, i think im just tired.

07:31:51 mod6: http://dpaste.com/02JHVFN

07:31:52 assbot: dpaste: 02JHVFN ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClRY75 )

07:31:54 mod6: im not sure if that worked

07:32:52 mod6: OH

07:32:54 mod6: derp

07:33:06 mod6: "LMODE", not "LDMODE"

07:33:25 punkman: sidenote: this version uses a dozen ways to print things to stdout/stderr, needs cleanup

07:33:49 mod6: noted.

07:34:33 punkman: I can probably do that, after we decide on some standard

07:34:45 mod6: we'll get there :]

07:35:57 mod6: http://dpaste.com/1MQCQMX

07:35:58 assbot: dpaste: 1MQCQMX ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClSvWP )

07:36:51 mod6: height=128873

07:39:36 mod6: -Wl,-Bdynamic

07:39:46 mod6: i still don't think i did the right thing there..

07:44:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15173 @ 0.000424 = 6.4334 BTC [+] {3}

07:52:04 cazalla: scoopbot, u r hopeless :\ http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitcoin-group-limited-run-afoul-of-asic/

07:52:05 assbot: Bitcoin Group Limited Run Afoul Of ASIC | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1MinqJa )

07:53:24 punkman: ASIC heh

08:00:22 mod6: punkman: http://dpaste.com/29Q2FMQ

08:00:23 assbot: dpaste: 29Q2FMQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1MinZTc )

08:00:27 mod6: that's weird 'eh

08:00:55 mod6: this in one place: -Wl,-Bstatic : this in another: -Wl,-Bdynamic

08:01:48 mod6: oh LMODE2 didn't get set.

08:01:59 punkman: yeah that if clause is weird

08:02:10 mod6: i thought the IFDEF should do that

08:02:13 mod6: o.O

08:02:41 mod6: ok here we go, one more time

08:05:55 mod6: alright, and yeah, the output binary is way bigger:

08:05:55 mod6: http://dpaste.com/23P8VBE

08:05:56 assbot: dpaste: 23P8VBE ... ( http://bit.ly/1Miotsn )

08:06:09 mod6: its like ~10mb larger

08:06:48 mod6: [1] + Segmentation fault ./bitcoind -datadir=/home/mod6/.bitcoin -daemon (core dumped)

08:06:51 mod6: ho ho!

08:07:53 mod6: http://dpaste.com/0VPYTWM

08:07:55 assbot: dpaste: 0VPYTWM ... ( http://bit.ly/1MioIDY )

08:08:02 mod6: well, thats all for me.

08:08:09 mod6: sleep(21600)

08:11:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00041978 = 12.7193 BTC [-] {2}

08:35:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00042512 = 11.7121 BTC [+] {2}

08:39:14 cazalla: fucking lightning

08:48:06 fluffypony: cazalla: you should probably stop trying to have sex with it

08:48:12 fluffypony: lightning burns

08:48:56 cazalla: maybe you should stop with the unfunny south african jokes

08:49:29 cazalla: how's that for a burn? :P

08:50:46 fluffypony: hah hah

08:51:01 fluffypony: something-something-sheep

08:51:34 cazalla: it's the nzer's into sheep

08:52:58 fluffypony: I know, but you're right there

08:53:02 fluffypony: so by extension

08:56:34 cazalla: i guess nz is to australia as australia is to ussa

09:02:03 cazalla: fuck that lightning was so loud then

09:03:05 fluffypony: the lightning...was...loud?

09:04:29 cazalla: ya know, when it strikes.. made me jump that's all

09:06:50 fluffypony: you mean the thunder was loud?

09:07:38 fluffypony: lightning doesn't make a noise...unless it's hitting one of those electric substations and that explodes

09:07:57 cazalla: then i guess that is what i meant

09:25:47 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZX9h-6IEAA-JLy.jpg

09:25:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnDP6N )

09:27:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20439 @ 0.00042314 = 8.6486 BTC [-]

09:36:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32616 @ 0.00042526 = 13.8703 BTC [+] {3}

09:42:00 fluffypony: punkman: I hate it when that happens

09:48:30 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/quebec-regulator-bitcoin-businesses-need-a-licence/

09:48:31 assbot: Quebec Regulator: Bitcoin Businesses Need A Licence | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ai4VRN )

10:03:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00079303 = 1.9826 BTC [-] {2}

10:06:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00041853 = 14.5021 BTC [-]

10:07:25 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mod6 https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/commit/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb

10:07:26 assbot: enable regress and fix random bug effecting wallets badly from dhill · 9ef1b3a · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ai7EuG )

10:07:26 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:08:24 fluffypony: cazalla: http://www.zdnet.com/article/bitcoin-group-pulled-up-for-pre-ipo-chatter/

10:08:25 assbot: Bitcoin Group pulled up for pre-IPO chatter | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ai7K5m )

10:08:42 fluffypony: lol at the securities commission in oz being called ASIC

10:08:50 cazalla: posted that earlier

10:09:15 cazalla: you know how the chinese are, scamming each other and all that

10:09:34 fluffypony: yeah

10:09:52 cazalla: demanding red letters full of bitcoins it seems

10:38:13 BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`

10:38:17 nubbins`: hi

10:38:21 BingoBoingo: hallo

10:38:29 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/gDBg21z

10:38:30 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6YyOU )

10:38:55 nubbins`: bit of snow yest

10:40:23 nubbins`: oh and i'm going to cleve-land in april

10:50:11 fluffypony: !up hegemoOn

10:50:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00041853 = 14.9415 BTC [-]

10:50:31 hegemoOn: good morning ladies dans gentlemen

10:50:38 hegemoOn: i wanted to share this to you http://www.antimoneylaunderinglaw.com/2015/01/france-eu-call-for-expedited-regulation-of-bitcoin-to-strengthen-counter-terrorist-financing-efforts-following-charlie-hebdo-incident-and-an-end-to-all-anonymous-financial-transactions-through-repor.html

10:50:41 assbot: France calls for strong regulation of Bitcoin in EU counter-terrorist financing laws following Charlie Hebdo incident and an end to anonymous financial transactions | Duhaime's Anti-Money Laundering Law in Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiFrqE )

10:51:34 punkman: cheeky

10:53:23 hegemoOn: it is very funny indeed, when you know that in the Charlie-Hebdo attack, the money was founded by a consummer credit you can easely get just by phone call to a bank

10:53:51 hegemoOn: and the terrorist got 6000 euros on begining of december this way to buy all the guns and bullet they needed for the attack

10:53:58 hegemoOn: nothing related to crypto-currency

11:05:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43736 @ 0.00041831 = 18.2952 BTC [-] {2}

11:09:57 punkman: 'Folks are like "that's poor software development practice", and I'm like "yeah, I used to have dreams too"'

11:34:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00042611 = 12.5489 BTC [+] {2}

11:35:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.00042951 = 37.1526 BTC [+] {4}

11:52:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00043326 = 7.0188 BTC [+]

11:55:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00043353 = 5.3107 BTC [+] {2}

11:56:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6965 @ 0.00043368 = 3.0206 BTC [+]

11:57:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26035 @ 0.00043647 = 11.3635 BTC [+]

12:17:15 davout: hegemoOn: nice, no sources tho

12:23:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00042269 = 12.1312 BTC [-] {2}

12:35:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00042285 = 16.8717 BTC [+]

12:36:43 BingoBoingo: Anyone looking to build bitcoind/bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD for wallet purposes likely needs to make this source change https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/blob/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb/net/bitcoin/patches/patch-src_wallet_cpp

12:36:44 assbot: openbsd-wip/patch-src_wallet_cpp at 9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMN3Ox )

12:37:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00042285 = 4.7782 BTC [+]

12:47:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00041363 = 9.3687 BTC [-] {3}

13:02:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00041213 = 15.6609 BTC [-] {3}

13:15:12 cazalla: danielpbarron, seems obvious eh

13:34:54 danielpbarron: yzyz

13:46:29 BingoBoingo: managed to build a bitcoin-qt 0.7.2 on OpenBSD, alerts snipped, Fuck only know if it will sync

13:54:43 BingoBoingo: Mucking with the bitcoin-qt source to get it to build was much easier with leveldb out of the picture. Refused to build in a way OpenBSD could link

13:55:38 BingoBoingo: Block 60000 219 of RAM used so far

13:56:24 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, out of curiosity why did you go for 0.7.2 ?

13:57:09 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Looking for the a version of qt that builds on openbsd at all

13:58:11 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Also qr codes for recieving

13:58:23 Apocalyptic: aha

13:59:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00042412 = 6.5314 BTC [+] {2}

14:00:04 BingoBoingo: Some foundation patches like alert snipping have been implemented, but no idea if this is suitable for broad distribution

14:00:17 BingoBoingo: Probably not I'd wager

14:00:51 BingoBoingo: 84204, over half way to the first wedge block

14:01:49 Adlai: why should bitcoind care the slightest about qr codes?

14:02:11 Adlai: you can produce them in a separate program[/computer] given just an address

14:02:29 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Mobile online machine, Maybe I want someone to shoot money at me from a Pnohe while watching it hit

14:03:19 Apocalyptic: Adlai, bitcoind shoudln't, indeed. bitcoin-qt is another program

14:04:45 BingoBoingo: Any ways, it is exercise to learn the new environment

14:05:07 Apocalyptic: can't hurt

14:05:54 BingoBoingo: changine random to arc4_random for the nonces was probably important for this build platform so catching that was importish

14:07:04 BingoBoingo: Under 300MB of ram 100k blocks in

14:09:50 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, note that the use of arc4 stream cipher for randomness in something as critical as ECDSA sig nonces is... discouraged. If I remember correctly it's a bit biased

14:10:24 BingoBoingo: They don't use rc4 for arc4_random anymore.

14:10:35 punkman: people have lost money with duplicate nonces

14:10:43 Apocalyptic: oh, then nevermind

14:12:19 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man3/arc4random.3?query=arc4random&sec=3

14:12:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOLRIm )

14:13:17 Apocalyptic: ty

14:16:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27718 @ 0.00040894 = 11.335 BTC [-]

14:17:54 BingoBoingo: The just changed the mnemonic device to ?A Replacement Call for Random? when the parts under the hood changed

14:25:39 mod6: BingoBoingo: Thanks for the links, the second one (https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/blob/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb/net/bitcoin/patches/patch-src_wallet_cpp) probably fixes this warning : src/wallet.cpp:858: warning: rand() isn't random; consider using arc4random()

14:26:51 BingoBoingo: I really need to take better notes, but that was the big flag I noticed

14:27:11 mod6: ah, ok: https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/commit/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb << this will fix the random thing, but i don't think the makefile change here does anything.

14:27:13 assbot: enable regress and fix random bug effecting wallets badly from dhill · 9ef1b3a · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOPPkj )

14:27:50 BingoBoingo: That, I don't know.

14:28:07 mod6: statically linking the libs into the bitcoind output binary made it cross its eyes and wet its pants lastnight

14:29:21 BingoBoingo: I was about to call it a night three hours ago, but now the Sun's been up forever and I can't stop watching blocks sync

14:29:50 mod6: haha, nice.

14:30:06 mod6: after that thing blew up i was like, time for bed.

14:30:27 mod6: so are you running v0.5.3.1 or .7.2 ?

14:32:02 mod6: i gotta recompile (linking dynamically) and see if I can get past 168,001

14:32:06 BingoBoingo: 0.7.2 qt, tried forever on 0.8.6 qt to avoid futzing with the BDB settings. Twas a mistake. It took the better part of a day to realize leveldb is never building for my level of skill in the necessary way and two seconds to patch that BDB shit

14:32:27 BingoBoingo: mod6: Your wedged?

14:33:06 mod6: ah, no. but recently had issues with VerifiySignature on a tx in block 168,001

14:33:17 mod6: that was on linux w/openssl v0.9.8o

14:33:47 mod6: this one uses LibreSSL 2.0

14:34:13 BingoBoingo: Ah, so I'm the brave fuck who will be riding LibreSSL2.0 into the block firsted

14:34:59 mod6: An adventurer is you!

14:35:43 mod6: I'm on block ~128k

14:36:09 mod6: so when the dynamic compile is done here, will start back up.

14:41:28 mod6: <+punkman> and you can move the binary to other machine without having to pull all the boost-dev packages << fwiw, i've never done this ever. should always rebuild binarys on the local environment.

14:43:49 mod6: ok im off and running again

14:44:07 mod6: @ 130k

14:44:44 mod6: shouldn't be too long before i get to where i want to be. i can't even do full sync on this vm anyway. i didnt make the vm disk big enough.

14:45:06 mod6: but, will set up a different vm for this later

14:50:36 BingoBoingo: 138870 464MB of RAM

14:53:10 BingoBoingo: Progress has paused, CPU usage dropped, RAM's inching up. Looks like bastards or peer stooped feeding me atm

14:53:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34589 @ 0.000417 = 14.4236 BTC [+] {2}

14:56:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4317 @ 0.00075171 = 3.2451 BTC [-] {19}

14:58:24 BingoBoingo: Same block 522MB RAM and rising

15:00:52 BingoBoingo: Made it 4 more blocks, hit its own RAM limit and crashed

15:02:25 BingoBoingo: Well... not crashed, killed. A warrior's version of a crash

15:07:27 mod6: ah, yeah.

15:07:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53502 @ 0.00040656 = 21.7518 BTC [-]

15:08:43 BingoBoingo: Running again, debating whether to give it more ram. Dunno it will do anything useful other than maybe take longer to crash

15:10:08 mod6: yeah, the latter. i wouldn't worry about it.

15:10:59 mod6: here's a picture of my build/env: http://dpaste.com/19765BN

15:11:00 assbot: dpaste: 19765BN ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoD1T6 )

15:13:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00041766 = 13.2816 BTC [+] {2}

15:19:00 BingoBoingo: !up hegemoOn

15:20:25 hegemoOn: thx

15:20:28 hegemoOn: :)

15:20:57 hegemoOn: davout: complained the artical didn't provide any source, i feed him with two others articles on the same topic

15:23:38 hegemoOn: if anyone interested i can c&p

15:29:36 thestringpuller: mod6: ugh dat wedge

15:30:08 mod6: you hit it on your linux box?

15:30:35 thestringpuller: yea 160k height or something

15:30:46 thestringpuller: you do getinfo and it just stays there lol

15:30:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43359 @ 0.00040543 = 17.579 BTC [-] {2}

15:30:54 mod6: run this: `openssl version -a`

15:30:59 thestringpuller: one second

15:31:02 mod6: eh.

15:31:04 mod6: no

15:31:20 thestringpuller: 0.9.8o is the one installed on the system

15:31:23 mod6: sometimes you do a 'getinfo' and its "busy" doing "SetBestChain" or something similar.

15:31:39 mod6: so just be aware of that -- sometimes it can take a /while/ to respond.

15:32:04 mod6: better to watch `tail -f /path/to/.bitcoin/debug.log` to see whats really actually happening.

15:32:16 mod6: ok 0.9.8o is the version we had problems with too though

15:33:22 mod6: youll know that you've hit the bad tx when you see an error in getinfo like this: "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."

15:34:16 mod6: if you do get that, please give us a pastebin of the 'getinfo' & 'openssl version -a'

15:34:37 mod6: maybe throw a `uname -a` in there as well

15:34:44 mod6: thanks for testing!

15:34:49 asciilifeform: should always rebuild binarys on the local environment << not practical on embedded system

15:35:29 mod6: sure

15:35:43 mod6: just relating that im indeed against distribution of binaries

15:37:41 chetty: interesting, if all packages only came as source sure would cut down on derpage on the nets, imagine reddtards have to build their own ie

15:38:05 mod6: it'd be awesome because then derps would give up and go and play with hula-hoops

15:38:08 mod6: :)

15:38:14 chetty: ;D

15:41:49 BingoBoingo: Would MS let them build IE?

15:42:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33803 @ 0.00042197 = 14.2639 BTC [+]

15:42:22 BingoBoingo: And if one had to build, would a derp actuall build IE?

15:42:49 BingoBoingo: As in make the choice to do that? Or would they actually do that because it is both hard and stupid

15:42:59 chetty: <BingoBoingo> Would MS let them build IE?// haha MS would never release source, thats kinda why I picked it

15:44:55 BingoBoingo: Wedge block coming up

15:45:43 BingoBoingo: passed block 160000 successfully

15:45:59 mod6: that's fine

15:46:04 mod6: the checkpoint block is 168,000

15:46:07 BingoBoingo: AH

15:46:12 mod6: but you need to really watch out for 168,001

15:48:13 BingoBoingo: As I typed that I though I might be missing some non-zero numbers

15:48:19 mod6: there would be 95% less people on the tubes if they had to compile everything themselves. ``THE BARRIER TO ENTRY IS TOO DAMN HIGH!.jpg''

15:48:42 BingoBoingo: ;;google rakeem oakland

15:48:43 gribble: 4 - Destiny Arts Center: http://www.destinyarts.org/pages/teaching-artists/page/4/; Rakeem Nunez-Roches Archives - Pro Football Rumors: http://www.profootballrumors.com/rakeem-nunez-roches/; Oakland (Murfreesboro, TN) Football Roster | MaxPreps: http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/oakland-patriots-(murfreesboro,tn)/football/roster.htm

15:49:59 Adlai: dad@dinner: "what happens when people start saving their bitcoins, rather than just spending them?"

15:50:07 Adlai: good dad, just keep walking down this road!

15:50:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 388 @ 0.00964631 = 3.7428 BTC [+] {6}

15:50:27 BingoBoingo: Ram usage dropped, a bunch of Orphans just found a father

15:53:09 danielpbarron: is there any evidence to suggest that there are nodes out there intentionally feeding bad data for the purpose of hindering the establishment of new nodes?

15:53:59 mod6: danielpbarron: i don't have any evidence to support that.

15:54:20 danielpbarron: it's a possibility though, right?

15:54:23 mod6: doesn't mean that a few bad seeds aren't out there though. more research required.

15:54:27 mod6: yeah

15:54:35 mod6: i suppose anything is possible.

16:02:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33142 @ 0.00041439 = 13.7337 BTC [-]

16:11:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00040548 = 17.8411 BTC [-]

16:12:24 BingoBoingo: Passed the wedge block at 169390

16:17:41 mod6: nice!

16:17:59 mod6: you're on 0.7x tho right?

16:19:10 BingoBoingo: Right

16:19:56 BingoBoingo: The wedge issue was more related to which libssl gets compiled into the mess than the version though, isn't it

16:20:37 mod6: well, so we think. but its not really apples to apples since that code base is so much different.

16:21:00 mod6: but good to know anyway.

16:28:23 danielpbarron: !gettrust assbot Jojatekok

16:28:23 assbot: Jojatekok is not registered in WoT.

16:28:26 danielpbarron: !up Jojatekok

16:28:36 Jojatekok: ahh thanks :D

16:34:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00040275 = 19.5334 BTC [-] {2}

16:41:45 thestringpuller: mod6: if I upgrade openssl will I be able get past the wedge?

16:42:20 thestringpuller: kinda annoyed @ the power rangers rite meow

16:43:21 mod6: thestringpuller: ben & I were able to pass it once we upgraded to v1.0.1g

16:44:05 mod6: thestringpuller: dont forget to give us a paste of the info though! plzkthx

16:46:48 mircea_popescu: mike_c: oddly hypnotic: http://i.imgur.com/JHBwH3f.jpg << o great

16:46:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4iEIF )

16:47:21 mircea_popescu: mike_c: jurov: you're three right of mircea. thestringpuller is crowding you with his long name. << write names inclined 30 degrees ?

16:52:22 mircea_popescu: jurov: lol why us? << chick's been reading fraudsters, http://fraudsters.com/2013/paid-content/#comment-112142 i guess this is her trying to be funnay.

16:52:22 assbot: Paid content pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4jIMG )

16:52:38 mircea_popescu: moral being, don't try to be funnay with people you don't know, it never works.

16:53:26 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell brendafdez: ^facebook^bitcoin << the posix format for this is /facebook/bitcoin/ in reference to the sed command.

16:53:26 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:55:45 mircea_popescu: decimation: I remember using the boost/bdb that was available on the ports << if you could document what you did exactly it'd prolly save people time.

16:57:13 mike_c: write names inclined 30 degrees << it's a circle, so that only helps depending on where you get placed on the circle. i'm still poking at it though.

16:58:43 chetty: http://www.ozy.com/fast-forward/tweeting-for-treatment-in-venezuela/38656.article

16:58:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4kUzR )

17:04:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11638 @ 0.00040227 = 4.6816 BTC [-]

17:05:23 thestringpuller: ;;seen mike_c

17:05:23 gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 minutes and 9 seconds ago: <mike_c> write names inclined 30 degrees << it's a circle, so that only helps depending on where you get placed on the circle. i'm still poking at it though.

17:05:39 thestringpuller: mike_c: you around?

17:05:53 thestringpuller: oh 1157 EST, i'm blind ~_~

17:05:57 mircea_popescu: !up rucoi_

17:06:09 mike_c: what's up

17:06:25 thestringpuller: I've been using force layout via d3 to graph the lord's nodes

17:06:47 thestringpuller: the centric dependency graph may get crazy

17:07:51 mike_c: yeah, you need a serious package to handle a lot of nodes/edges. igraph is the only i've found that does a good job so far.

17:08:13 thestringpuller: I'm able to get 500 nodes with interactivity.

17:09:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00040548 = 9.4071 BTC [+]

17:09:48 thestringpuller: i was thinking of rendering as force layout without interactivity and then dumping the resulting SVG

17:09:59 thestringpuller: then at least all nodes would be spaced

17:10:25 mike_c: yeah, but you don't get a sense of tiers unless you use a tree layout

17:12:00 mike_c: the one i posted is.. reingold/tilford with the radial layout instead of top-down

17:13:21 thestringpuller: mike_c you can with nodes: cookiechief.com/wotviz

17:13:58 mike_c: yeah, for l1 :)

17:13:58 thestringpuller: each node spawns from a central point kinda like orbits

17:14:12 thestringpuller: yea l2 will spawn from the orbits around l1

17:14:26 thestringpuller: it's just an adjustment in force

17:14:27 mike_c: when you add l2 it wants to do things like put nanotube way off by himself because he has a bajillion out nodes

17:14:54 thestringpuller: ah d3 respond that way, it uses a different force algrotihm

17:16:52 mircea_popescu: mike_c not necessarily bad is it ?

17:17:16 mike_c: depends what you mean. you lose all sense of l1, l2

17:17:32 thestringpuller: mike_c: I can apply the data to tilford style tree: http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/4063550

17:17:36 mircea_popescu: ah that. ok ok nm, im not going to speak on things i don't have before eyes.

17:17:40 thestringpuller: kinda like "tree of life"

17:18:20 mike_c: thestringpuller: remember though, it's not just a tree, it's a forest

17:18:36 mike_c: lot's of ratings between l1 members for example

17:20:51 thestringpuller: http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/1153292 << yea hence why that particular part is easier with a node graph

17:21:15 thestringpuller: i'm terrible with d3 tho, it's just easy to represent data interactively with it.

17:23:48 thestringpuller: I'll ;;later you what I come up with for L2 arrangement. These are interesting points to consider.

17:24:56 mike_c: cool

17:25:55 thestringpuller: lol playing with graphs. :P And you say you and academia don't get along.

17:27:47 mike_c: hm. maybe it was just the wrong academia. shit gets published in here, peer reviewed, etc. i guess that's a lot like academia.

17:33:55 thestringpuller: :D

17:40:17 ben_vulpes: peer review, testing in production, what's the difference anyways

17:44:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00040227 = 5.0686 BTC [-]

17:44:33 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: you are the only advocate of cowboy coding I know of

17:51:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00040193 = 15.0523 BTC [-] {2}

17:55:03 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: when have i ever done such?!

17:55:48 thestringpuller: "Something something client asked me to change something on live server something something something in the logs." :)

17:56:06 ben_vulpes: come back with actual citations, troll

17:56:24 thestringpuller: !s from:ben_vulpes production

17:56:25 assbot: 15 results for 'from:ben_vulpes production' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aben_vulpes+production

17:57:09 ben_vulpes: glhf

17:57:20 thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2015#977678 << :D

17:57:45 ben_vulpes: ...

17:57:51 ben_vulpes: i thought the automation was implicit.

17:57:58 kakobrekla: what is this monologue, is noise hole polluting ?

17:58:41 ben_vulpes: i can't tell if it's me or thestringpuller on your ignore list kakobrekla

17:58:53 thestringpuller: everyone is on kakobrekla's ignore list

17:58:54 kakobrekla: i can see you

17:59:24 ben_vulpes: i guess that answers that

17:59:35 kakobrekla: !rated thestringpuller

17:59:35 assbot: You rated user thestringpuller on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: noise hole..

17:59:43 kakobrekla: yeah see

17:59:52 ben_vulpes: ok ok i'll do my own research next time

18:02:00 thestringpuller: jus' like high school :D

18:57:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00040592 = 7.2254 BTC [+] {2}

19:05:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 760 @ 0.00972077 = 7.3878 BTC [-] {9}

19:09:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.01199429 = 5.9971 BTC [+] {3}

19:19:18 mircea_popescu: !up rucoi

19:21:50 mircea_popescu: Subject: Unusual activity in your American Express account From: "American Express" <no-replay@amex.com>

19:22:03 mircea_popescu: these would have to be quite unusual, i never owned an amex card.

19:22:23 mircea_popescu: To secure your account , please click http://mail.amex.com/http://tarik4.awardspace.com/americanexpress/amex.html

19:22:31 mircea_popescu: imagine this. amex is retarded enough to actually allow this.

19:23:18 mircea_popescu: Received: from 64-178-159-35.eastlink.ca ([]:63005 helo=amex.com)

19:25:03 mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform presently thinks that bitcoind should only ever be build statically << this is correct. consensus systems may NOT pull dynamic links. ever.

19:25:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30210 @ 0.00040302 = 12.1752 BTC [-] {2}

19:26:01 mircea_popescu: punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? << you mean in the blockchain ? the thing's actually coherent.

19:30:30 mircea_popescu: " Look at how many responses you have received! And only because you are so blindingly stubborn and /wrong/. Be right about something, and nobody says a word, write something insightful that required much thought on your end, and you are guaranteed silence (but occasionally some uplifting mail)."

19:30:33 mircea_popescu: awww poor naggum.

19:30:57 mircea_popescu: "But say something utterly boneheaded that pisses people off simply because it is so stupid that people who make such rabid mistakes must be corrected, and you get to control the whole goddamn agenda in the newsgroup for a while."

19:31:11 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZD4ezDbbu4

19:31:12 assbot: Bruce Springsteen - Born In The U.S.A. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vIN1pB )

19:33:34 mircea_popescu: punkman: I wonder what the liberally sprinkled "CRITICAL_BLOCK" does << it acquires a blocking lock

19:33:53 mircea_popescu: can't update OR READ the locked matter until released

19:47:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28841 @ 0.00040853 = 11.7824 BTC [+]

19:47:32 mircea_popescu: assbot: France calls for strong regulation of Bitcoin in EU counter-terrorist financing laws following Charlie Hebdo incident and an end to anonymous financial transactions << yes very logical.

19:47:59 mircea_popescu: france keeps at this there will be a permanent bounty on dead french statesmen, in Bitcoin. and eventually, a dead France.

19:51:04 mircea_popescu: !up JimJamReid

19:52:15 JimJamReid: Hi All, I am currently conducting interviews for my university research paper on using Bitcoin as an alternative to traditional currencies, would anyone be interested in participating?

19:53:22 mircea_popescu: ask, don't ask to ask.

20:16:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00041048 = 9.2768 BTC [+]

20:19:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14491 @ 0.00041048 = 5.9483 BTC [+]

20:20:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4059 @ 0.0004149 = 1.6841 BTC [+]

20:26:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37391 @ 0.0004184 = 15.6444 BTC [+] {2}

20:27:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4209 @ 0.00042115 = 1.7726 BTC [+]

20:28:40 mod6: A static build on debian 6 + v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } + openssl v1.0.1g failed: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=P0Yt9c2U

20:28:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19fGpoo )

20:28:58 mod6: This might be a show-stopper, will for sure need to fix before release.

20:29:36 mircea_popescu: o.O

20:31:06 mod6: Might need some help on these ones for sure.

20:32:26 trinque: just looks like you need something in your library path

20:32:30 mircea_popescu: "How you can hire me: You can't. I don't work for money. Money is a technology that destroys trust. Its entire purpose is to short-circuit human relationships in order to insert itself as a middleman. It makes everybody spend more money, at more emotional cost, for things that make us angry at each other. Don't offer to pay me. Seriously. If you offer me money, I will decline on principle."

20:32:44 mircea_popescu: check out guy with a half notion of the problem, and a thoroughly broken nonsolution

20:33:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00042585 = 11.3915 BTC [+] {4}

20:34:23 trinque: mod6: lots of chatter about "can't find -lgcc_s" on teh googles

20:35:48 mod6: thanks trinque

20:43:24 thestringpuller: mike_c: http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/ << This is what sheer number of L2 users creates. Trying to modify users force but with default settings as you said it loses sight of L2, but that's cause sheer number of users in L2.

20:43:42 thestringpuller: loses sight of differentiation from L1 -> L2

20:53:58 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/index_mp.html << version just for you :P

20:54:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49773 @ 0.00042736 = 21.271 BTC [+] {2}

20:55:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00041963 = 19.5128 BTC [-]

20:56:02 thestringpuller: !gettrust assbot topace

20:56:02 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user topace: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/topace | http://w.b-a.link/user/topace

20:56:27 thestringpuller: !gettrust assbot jgarzik

20:56:28 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user jgarzik: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/jgarzik | http://w.b-a.link/user/jgarzik

20:59:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00042795 = 4.3223 BTC [+]

21:01:22 thestringpuller: yea assbot/wind 3

21:01:28 thestringpuller: >:(

21:06:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16594 @ 0.00042795 = 7.1014 BTC [+]

21:10:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00040051 = 6.9288 BTC [-] {2}

21:34:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12352 @ 0.00042795 = 5.286 BTC [+]

21:35:21 asciilifeform: 'How you can hire me: You can't. I don't work for money....' << wai wat ??!

21:36:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: amex is retarded enough to actually allow this << allow what?

21:37:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform redirect to outside website.

21:38:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it doesn't...

21:38:16 mircea_popescu: uh...

21:38:24 mircea_popescu: how is this scam supposed to work then ?!

21:38:29 mircea_popescu: (i confess didn't bother to click)

21:38:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: buggy spamatron

21:38:37 mircea_popescu: roflmao

21:38:48 mircea_popescu: mabe they had the hole and fixed it ?

21:39:27 mircea_popescu: re the "you can't" derp : he spends about half the page trying to beg for donations. because hey, money is only dirty if you actually EARN it. otherwise's fine. http://maymay.net/#how-you-can-support-me

21:39:28 assbot: Meitar "maymay" Moscovitz: The Information Age equivalent of Johnny Appleseed ... ( http://bit.ly/1vJ5yC9 )

21:39:53 mircea_popescu: in any case, i guess he never heard of whats-her-face, the supposed cali "poet" that did essentially the same but in the 70s, and died recently in abject poverty.

21:40:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not impossible. amex spends a pretty penny on (what passes for) spam and crapware control.

21:40:08 mircea_popescu: was discussed here, forgot her name. untalented as all shit, too;

21:41:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where do you even find these... i could have lived and died without ever knowing about this fella

21:45:28 danielpbarron: i know a guy who lives just like that; out of his car, refusing to work for money but not against taking handouts

21:46:01 asciilifeform: there are beggar-kings who earn more than any, e.g., programmer

21:46:19 mike_c: thestringpuller: quite a hairball :)

21:46:34 mike_c: asciilifeform: did you see the other day that stemming got turned off?

21:46:44 mike_c: you were in the field.

21:47:55 asciilifeform: aha, neato

21:48:09 mike_c: it does seem to work now

21:48:31 asciilifeform: speaking of which, someone asked which robotic vacuum cleaner it was that had decent software. it was the one made by 'neato robotics co.'

21:50:04 danielpbarron: wtf the dude has bigger tits than the hentai chick at the top of his page.. or is that also supposed to be a dude??

21:50:43 asciilifeform: cthonian horror

22:00:38 thestringpuller: mike_c: I don't know how one would do Reingold-Tilford that has multiple dependencies

22:04:21 asciilifeform: re: the question of ripping out 'boost': not happening short of a total rewrite. it's used for virtually all iteration constructs, heterogeneous data structures, and 100 other things in the turd.

22:05:14 asciilifeform: srsly, whoever asked that, read the damn thing. there's conceptually by far more 'boost' than straight cpp in there.

22:06:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00042727 = 4.6786 BTC [-]

22:07:03 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i was wondering what was up with all the for loops trying to be python-like

22:09:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00042727 = 4.9777 BTC [-]

22:20:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i reach far!

22:21:49 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron stop oppressing dragons with your self-unaware patriarchical gender stereotypes.

22:33:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's conceptually by far more 'boost' than straight cpp in there. << i for one am thankful it's not mostly javascript.

22:34:14 mircea_popescu: if you think about it, riding on qt "for the gui" is not so different from riding on the browser.

22:34:30 mircea_popescu: we should count outselves lucky satoshi didn't implement bitcoin prototype as a fucking greasemonkey script.

22:35:44 danielpbarron: i don't think i've ever actually used the qt client

22:36:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37794 @ 0.00042374 = 16.0148 BTC [-] {4}

22:37:15 mircea_popescu: mod6: it'd be awesome because then derps would give up and go and play with hula-hoops << technically speaking this is what's happening already.

22:37:52 mircea_popescu: Adlai: good dad, just keep walking down this road! << a winner is you, srsly.

22:38:21 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: is there any evidence to suggest that << nope.

22:38:40 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: it's a possibility though, right? << yeah, but from all i've seen it's a very remote one.

22:40:06 Adlai: ?

22:41:58 mircea_popescu: it's won, what. your dad will eventually get it.

22:43:10 Adlai: well i imagine that when it happens, nobody will be able to not get it, because it'll happen rather happeningly

22:43:45 Adlai: so "eventually" isn't good enough

22:44:39 mircea_popescu: not your place to make ~that~ call.

22:45:17 mircea_popescu: the part that actually is your place, is done. welcome to parenting!

22:45:18 mircea_popescu: (it sucks)

22:45:39 Adlai: it's funny/sad how parenting reverses over time

22:46:07 mircea_popescu: i guess so huh.

22:46:53 asciilifeform: for what 'qt' does, there is no real alternative (other than 'wx', which is arguably even more of a cthonian horror in some ways)

22:47:19 mircea_popescu: browser is an alternative.

22:47:32 asciilifeform: now, did the thing -need- a cross-platfom gui? don't ask me, i've never used it...

22:47:43 mircea_popescu: c code is cross-plantrofm.

22:48:06 asciilifeform: gui, remember

22:48:38 mircea_popescu: this is not the correct approach. make bitcoin, then let everyone make their own guis.

22:49:04 mircea_popescu: people DID make their own miners.

22:56:07 asciilifeform: lol, i still don't know why it needed the gui at all

22:56:52 mircea_popescu: kinda same reason women need tits.

22:56:57 mircea_popescu: not like they wouldn't work without em.

22:58:05 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell rucoi fix your bouncer

22:58:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:59:40 asciilifeform: if i could fork myself, i'd be severely tempted to: attempt an ada bitcoind.

23:00:30 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: re: could you imaginge if Gavin was magically replaced by ryanxcharles?

23:00:45 mircea_popescu: i'd have thoughjt a cl bitcoind

23:00:56 mircea_popescu: or for that matter a c bitcoind (as opposed to cpp)

23:02:14 thestringpuller: the original qt uses MFC stuff

23:02:27 thestringpuller: Satoshi sure did like windows.

23:03:03 mircea_popescu: i suspect ti's a case very close to the ida situation asciilifeform was deploring last week

23:03:27 mircea_popescu: we're so fucking lucky satoshi wasn't any good with code.

23:03:50 asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu would actually like ada. not writing it, mind you, but seeing it written

23:04:06 BingoBoingo: !b 2

23:04:06 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2MMH5KE.txt )

23:04:07 mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely unfamiliar.

23:04:14 mircea_popescu: !s ada from:mircea

23:04:15 assbot: 1 results for 'ada from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ada+from%3Amircea

23:04:18 asciilifeform: naggum's -other- lang. the only one other than cl that had not only a standard but a -rationale document- for every page

23:04:38 mircea_popescu: hm.

23:04:44 mircea_popescu: i thought i musta mentioned it

23:05:06 asciilifeform: still used for genuinely safety-critical systems worldwide (virtually all jet engine controllers, etc.) - language from hell, required you to specify ranges for integers, and the like

23:05:30 mircea_popescu: uh. what typed language doesn't ?!

23:05:34 asciilifeform: i confess that i rather like it...

23:05:44 mircea_popescu: going int blabla; says : blabla between 0 and 65535 or w/e

23:06:01 asciilifeform: nononono - explicitly.

23:06:56 mircea_popescu: listen, everything in a program is explicit. whethr the user is aware or not of this...

23:07:04 mircea_popescu: no means yes. yes means anal. it's how computiong works.

23:07:14 asciilifeform: as in 'this one is odd and between 3 and 15 and if it ever isn't, pump in the halon

23:07:45 mircea_popescu: not that i disagree with the principle of making people verbalize the stuff they're abotu to do.

23:08:10 asciilifeform: http://cs.fit.edu/~ryan/ada/programs << examples

23:08:11 assbot: Ada Programs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cpq1LF )

23:08:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00042927 = 14.6381 BTC [+]

23:08:48 asciilifeform: ugly, pascal-like, but extraordinarily well-specified and strict to the point of bdsm

23:09:06 mircea_popescu: lol so yest someone hit fraudsters in what originally looked like a ddos, except... single ip ? ~1mn pageloads ?

23:09:09 mircea_popescu: turns out it's http://anti-hacker-alliance.com/index.php?details=

23:09:10 assbot: The Anti Hacker Alliance fights against ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cpqb5O )

23:10:01 mircea_popescu: now wtf is "shutterfly"

23:10:15 mircea_popescu: and wtf is "the anti hacker alliance"

23:11:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apparently, a defunct (?) print house? - hacked box

23:11:32 mircea_popescu: derps. world is full of derps.

23:11:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: while the latter appears to be an erzats 'spamhaus' ?

23:12:39 mircea_popescu: oh, xrumer harvester.

23:12:45 mircea_popescu: lmao idiots.

23:19:05 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaGvcAOcA_s << cuties.

23:19:07 assbot: Ансамбль "Белое злато" - Казаченька молода - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D60h9X )

23:20:26 mircea_popescu: they'd be a lot better if drunk imo.

23:24:31 TheNewDeal: ;;Nethash

23:24:31 gribble: 309409813.454

23:24:54 TheNewDeal: Ewww

23:37:23 mircea_popescu: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.ro/2011/10/adventures-in-depression.html << holy shit, this actually happens ?

23:37:24 assbot: Hyperbole and a Half: Adventures in Depression ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpvMce )

23:44:22 thestringpuller: can't wait to read on qntra one day: "Gavin Admits to Being USG Agent, Leaves Bitcoin Forever"

23:45:55 mircea_popescu: qntra is about news, you're thinking more in terms of daytime tv drama.

23:46:19 mircea_popescu: at this point i'm not even sure gavin jumping off the coq d'argent would qualify as bitcoin news.

23:51:32 mircea_popescu: !up Stunna

23:56:09 mircea_popescu: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << look at that, for once qntra traffic graph is not thrown by some social media spike so you8 can actually see some pattern

23:56:10 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpzhiN )