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Transcript for 13-03-2014, 1518 lines:

00:00:20 mircea_popescu: strippers can earn a coupla k's per shift anywhere, wtf.

00:03:46 Diablo-D3: yeah thats like

00:03:51 Diablo-D3: half what a good stripper can do in nyc

00:03:58 Diablo-D3: a third what a good stripper in LA can do

00:04:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0039 = 0.2145 BTC [-] {3}

00:04:55 bitcoinpete: The difference: competition

00:05:08 Diablo-D3: yeah, theres way more of it in nyc and la

00:05:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.093181 = 0.3727 BTC [+]

00:08:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0062381 = 0.1185 BTC [-]

00:12:50 nubbins`: twist: mp has no personal wealth and pays his harem w/ mpoe stock

00:13:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00081889 = 16.0093 BTC [-]

00:13:30 nubbins`: ^ that was one of 'em buying some shoes

00:13:44 benkay: nice shoes.

00:14:13 nubbins`: well more than one pair obv

00:14:26 nubbins`: save on shipping, y'know?

00:16:04 herbijudlestoids: hullo

00:16:15 herbijudlestoids: just dropped in to make sure youre all behaving :)

00:16:44 nubbins`: barely

00:16:45 ThickAsThieves: as best we can

00:17:02 ThickAsThieves: nubbins` mp lost all the coinz on gox i guess

00:17:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00081803 = 17.5876 BTC [-] {2}

00:17:14 nubbins`: lel

00:18:15 mircea_popescu: 16 btc gets you some cool shoes

00:18:18 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids how goes ?

00:18:45 ThickAsThieves: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/12/oklahoma-fox-station-removes-evolution-from-cosmos-by-cutting-only-15-seconds/

00:18:45 ozbot: Oklahoma Fox station removes evolution from ‘Cosmos’ by cutting only 15 seconds | The Raw Sto

00:20:50 asciilifeform: ;;ticker --ask --currency USD

00:20:52 gribble: 633.99

00:21:06 asciilifeform: ;;calc 633.99 * 16.0093

00:21:06 gribble: 10149.736107

00:22:23 asciilifeform: ;;calc 10149.736107 / 6.53

00:22:23 gribble: 1554.32405926

00:23:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [+]

00:23:46 asciilifeform: ;;calc 10149.736107 / 682.24

00:23:46 gribble: 14.8770756728

00:24:02 asciilifeform: ok, enough for a silver toilet.

00:24:10 ThickAsThieves: http://www.neimanmarcus.com/Christian-Louboutin-Snakilta-Spiked-Red-Sole-Ankle-Boot-Black-Matte-Shoes/prod162100114_cat39620738__/p.prod?icid=&searchType=EndecaDrivenCat&rte=%252Fcategory.jsp%253FitemId%253Dcat39620738%2526pageSize%253D30%2526No%253D0%2526refinements%253D&eItemId=prod162100114&cmCat=product

00:24:11 ozbot: Request Rejected

00:24:20 asciilifeform: or a public room full of copper ones...

00:24:21 mircea_popescu: lolwut

00:24:28 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/208sss/say_hello_to_2014_bitcointalk_i_created/

00:24:28 ozbot: Say Hello to 2014, Bitcointalk. I created Bitcointa.lk, a real alternative to Bitcointalk.org. 5 mil

00:24:33 nubbins`: smh

00:24:50 ThickAsThieves: jpcham made it i think

00:24:56 nubbins`: not sure why

00:25:00 ThickAsThieves: me either

00:25:03 nubbins`: heh.

00:25:08 nubbins`: well then!

00:25:08 ThickAsThieves: i think he wanted to solve the content problem

00:25:12 ThickAsThieves: by copying all of it

00:25:19 ThickAsThieves: but feels almost more hollow for it

00:25:31 nubbins`: maybe he can add content from goat's private forum too

00:26:49 cazalla: default xenforo.. impressive

00:27:18 *: nubbins` nods

00:29:32 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/4s70vPm.jpg

00:29:48 benkay: lawlz

00:29:55 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: yea good thx. big business coming in now

00:30:01 mircea_popescu: cool./

00:30:08 benkay: jcpham mirror the goatforum too

00:30:10 herbijudlestoids: about to deploy a very very very large IaaS cloud

00:30:16 herbijudlestoids: how about yall

00:33:02 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4odIPqfh6I

00:33:02 ozbot: Big Business - 'Here Come The Waterworks' (Full Album HD) - YouTube

00:33:13 nubbins`: two of these guys are in the melvins

00:33:35 nubbins`: don't bother clicking ;(

00:33:49 herbijudlestoids: i cant wait to be rich, so i can finally get a seat on mpex

00:34:06 nubbins`: heh

00:34:26 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/gitagovinda/statuses/443741163682418688

00:34:26 ozbot: Twitter / gitagovinda: .@coreypein wants to post this ...

00:34:29 mircea_popescu: wont be long nao

00:34:51 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Have you considered getting back into ATC trading?

00:35:03 nubbins`: hahah

00:35:10 nubbins`: bingo, :0

00:35:22 BingoBoingo: Spread's gotten closer https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc

00:36:05 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: no time for such shenanigans

00:36:07 nubbins`: "The Brighton-based Argus took a question from a reader obsessed with the fragile truce between man and caprine, and somehow misattributed it to Richard Robinson, the director of the Brighton Science Festival."

00:36:20 herbijudlestoids: i have been busy busy

00:36:21 nubbins`: Robinson's comment on the mixup:

00:36:26 nubbins`: "I'm afraid I cannot address your problem. I have much more important things to think about just now: sea urchins, hordes of them, with their evil poisoned spines, there in the sea, just out of view, waiting… waiting…"

00:36:36 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: If there isn't time for shennanigans, there isn't time at all

00:36:42 herbijudlestoids: there isnt time lol!

00:36:46 herbijudlestoids: flat chat

00:36:52 herbijudlestoids: but i missed you guys :D

00:37:07 BingoBoingo: When I have my uranium mines I will fill them with the shennanigan-less

00:37:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58521002 BTC [-]

00:37:36 nubbins`: was in a band once called Goat, the Provider

00:37:45 BingoBoingo: If uranium is even what I have mined. Maybe I'll just have lead mines or something

00:38:05 Diablo-D3: I want a hot woman mine

00:38:07 nubbins`: if you lead, i'll follow

00:38:33 herbijudlestoids: anyway, i need to get some breakfast in me and crack on with my worx.

00:38:47 herbijudlestoids: be good, hopefully see yas soon :)

00:39:57 nubbins`: getting some nice submissions for our next zine

00:46:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00081556 = 9.5421 BTC [-]

00:50:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [+]

00:53:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20277 @ 0.00081537 = 16.5333 BTC [-]

00:55:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3427 @ 0.003716 = 12.7347 BTC [-] {30}

00:56:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 16074 @ 0.00317261 = 50.9965 BTC [-] {62}

00:57:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0062302 = 0.1246 BTC [-] {2}

01:04:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00299999 = 0.3 BTC [-]

01:10:58 mircea_popescu: o look at that, under par

01:12:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59001003 BTC [+]

01:16:19 bitcoinpete: tiger?

01:17:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00299999 = 9 BTC [-] {2}

01:17:54 nubbins`: 19btc ask wall at par

01:18:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1200 @ 0.003 = 3.6 BTC [+]

01:19:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]

01:19:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1188 @ 0.003 = 3.564 BTC [+] {2}

01:19:19 nubbins`: coin funds finally released from escrow

01:19:21 *: nubbins` claps

01:20:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00081512 = 13.7755 BTC [-] {2}

01:20:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4200 @ 0.003 = 12.6 BTC [+]

01:20:32 bitcoinpete: S.MPOE seems to be all over the place of late.

01:20:40 bitcoinpete: Is it always this volatile?

01:21:07 mircea_popescu: was a lot more tepid prior to feb statement.

01:21:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.003 = 0.156 BTC [+] {2}

01:21:34 bitcoinpete: mmm still, a hell of a wallet service

01:22:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [+]

01:24:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 222 @ 0.003 = 0.666 BTC [+] {2}

01:25:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [+]

01:26:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.0008158 = 39.1992 BTC [+] {2}

01:27:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.00591002 = 0.2896 BTC [-]

01:27:41 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/rachel-canning-u-s-student-who-sued-parents-for-support-returns-home-1.2570514

01:27:42 ozbot: Rachel Canning, U.S. student who sued parents for support, returns home - World - CBC News

01:27:43 nubbins`: my sides

01:31:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 453 @ 0.003 = 1.359 BTC [+]

01:40:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.58487999 = 2.9244 BTC [-] {5}

01:41:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5823 = 1.1646 BTC [-]

01:42:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58112 = 1.7434 BTC [-]

01:44:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+]

01:44:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 108 @ 0.005911 = 0.6384 BTC [-] {2}

01:44:56 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/on-making-bitcoin-accessible-or-not/

01:44:57 ozbot: On Making Bitcoin Accessible. Or Not. | When Bitcoin Met Pete

01:45:13 bitcoinpete: Newest blog post

01:45:48 bitcoinpete: Anchored by Buffet's 1983 letter to shareholders

01:49:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 93 @ 0.00623006 = 0.5794 BTC [-] {4}

01:54:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00081402 = 40.2126 BTC [-] {3}

01:56:56 mircea_popescu: not a bad anchor

02:08:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.000812 = 11.8958 BTC [-]

02:14:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.00349999 = 0.4585 BTC [+] {2}

02:14:55 thestringpuller: ls

02:14:59 thestringpuller: oops

02:15:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17309 @ 0.00081611 = 14.126 BTC [+]

02:16:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2803 @ 0.00081712 = 2.2904 BTC [+]

02:20:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 182 @ 0.0035 = 0.637 BTC [+] {3}

02:26:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16797 @ 0.0008184 = 13.7467 BTC [+] {2}

02:27:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14553 @ 0.000819 = 11.9189 BTC [+]

02:32:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.60886534 = 3.0443 BTC [+] {5}

02:33:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61699495 = 2.468 BTC [+] {3}

02:34:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.61816663 = 3.709 BTC [+] {3}

02:35:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.61951235 = 17.3463 BTC [+] {5}

02:35:33 KRS1: .bait

02:35:35 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/df0567c5ebf94a4f1db713c26e9c00ab/tumblr_mi6zs1zHVq1qz9pzzo1_1280.jpg

02:35:45 KRS1: .bait

02:35:46 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/3eaef9209e0a4791b2bace7769a3b895/tumblr_mhs703VuFQ1qk50iuo1_1280.jpg

02:37:07 BingoBoingo: .d

02:37:07 ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 2014 blocks | Estimated Change: -14.4080% in 15d 23h 56m 54s

02:38:01 MisterE: who wants some rare earth?

02:38:04 MisterE: oops

02:38:08 MisterE: disregard

02:42:39 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Which one in particular?

02:43:03 MisterE: magnetic kind?

02:43:13 MisterE: is there another?

02:43:27 MisterE: maybe I should wiki at lest

02:43:32 MisterE: before brokering lol

02:43:51 BingoBoingo: Well, if you were selling the other kind, I would suggest Bitcoin might not be mature enough for that yet...

02:44:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00359 = 0.3518 BTC [+]

02:44:43 MisterE: whats the other kind do?

02:45:04 MisterE: US needs to find more of this stuff

02:45:20 MisterE: like, yesterday

02:47:14 BingoBoingo: MisterE: The other stuff is the transuranic stuff...

02:47:40 BingoBoingo: Prolly 5-10 years before Bitcoin is mature enough for it at least, maybe 20

02:48:21 MisterE: hgher atomic number than uranium?

02:48:28 MisterE: sounds like a regulation hassle

02:48:51 BingoBoingo: like I suggested, BTC prolly not ready yet

02:50:01 BingoBoingo: Especially when Ver is tripping balls and thinking he is Dr. Richard Kimble

02:50:54 mod6: haha

02:52:03 BingoBoingo: When Ver can protect his Island with a fleet of Hind Hella Choppas then we can talk transuranic

02:52:06 MisterE: BingoBoingo: do I know you from another tracker?

02:52:11 MisterE: and whois Ver?

02:52:19 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Tracker?

02:52:25 MisterE: yea

02:52:33 MisterE: WHat or BTN?

02:52:55 MisterE: bit torrent tracker

02:53:03 BingoBoingo: MisterE: I do this chan, was on CoinChat before TF went scam, and I blog at http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/

02:53:11 MisterE: ahh ok

02:53:17 MisterE: cool url

02:53:25 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Someone else with this nick is some HS aged gamer kid

02:53:36 BingoBoingo: I dun torrent.

02:53:42 MisterE: yea think I have met them ;/

02:53:50 MisterE: dont torrent?

02:53:51 MisterE: wow

02:54:43 BingoBoingo: Eh, the streaming sites provide the content without putting me in a position to be distributing it. I dun think the risk reward for torrenting the wrong this is a good value proposition in my jurisdiction.

02:55:17 MisterE: oh so you stream

02:55:40 BingoBoingo: I watch streaming shit. If stuff isn't on Hulu I'll watch it somewhere else.

02:55:50 BingoBoingo: It's how I keep up with Archer.

02:55:52 MisterE: I have a site for you

02:56:12 artifexd: And if it isn't available for streaming, just about everything available via torrent is available via nntp

02:56:16 BingoBoingo: I dunno, you kind of sound like 5-0

02:59:48 nubbins`: heh

02:59:54 nubbins`: ACAB

03:00:12 MisterE: finally found it BingoBoingo http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/11/popcorn-time-is-like-netflix-for-pirated-content/?ncid=rss

03:00:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38379 @ 0.00081071 = 31.1142 BTC [-] {3}

03:01:41 BingoBoingo: MisterE: I'd want to know more about how their site and player are architected, but that could just easily be some podunk law firm fishing for ip's to gather for one of those mass John Doe suits.

03:02:04 BingoBoingo: Shady, foreign, and streaming is the way to be

03:02:08 MisterE: they dont do those anymore

03:02:18 MisterE: not very good RPR

03:02:24 MisterE: PR*

03:02:28 BingoBoingo: No, they don't do some kinds of those in some jurisdictions

03:02:31 MisterE: now they go after you thru your isp

03:02:56 BingoBoingo: Well, if I am my own ISP that would suck wouldn't it...

03:03:39 asciilifeform: phun phact. only consumer ISPs are part of the 'n strikes' pact.

03:04:00 MisterE: haha so it's all about going after the little guy

03:04:09 MisterE: just like drm is about fucking legit buyers

03:04:13 asciilifeform: rent a $20 box in some godforsaken rack, bounce packets off that.

03:04:16 MisterE: stupid industry

03:04:25 MisterE: slingbox

03:05:07 MisterE: I prefer a .mp4 file I can play at my convenience

03:07:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.040082 = 0.2004 BTC [-] {3}

03:14:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00604998 = 0.127 BTC [+] {3}

03:16:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5930147 = 1.779 BTC [-] {3}

03:17:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.593008 BTC [-]

03:43:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.003315 = 0.4542 BTC [-] {2}

03:50:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.003315 = 0.1227 BTC [-]

04:00:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5925 BTC [-]

04:01:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5922 BTC [-]

04:03:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5922 = 2.3688 BTC [-]

04:06:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5922 BTC [-]

04:07:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.00584171 = 0.59 BTC [-] {8}

04:08:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00570008 = 0.228 BTC [-]

04:08:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5922 BTC [-]

04:11:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 48 @ 0.59110459 = 28.373 BTC [-] {5}

04:19:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.592 BTC [+]

04:20:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.0008116 = 4.9508 BTC [+]

04:21:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5922 BTC [+]

04:36:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00081024 = 21.5929 BTC [-] {4}

04:46:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22468 @ 0.0008101 = 18.2013 BTC [-]

05:03:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41027 @ 0.00081034 = 33.2458 BTC [+] {2}

05:07:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 149 @ 0.00333 = 0.4962 BTC [-] {3}

05:12:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00348997 = 0.4188 BTC [+] {2}

05:13:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0909995 = 0.182 BTC [-] {2}

05:18:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00333 = 0.1166 BTC [-] {2}

05:22:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00080948 = 28.9389 BTC [-] {2}

05:24:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37005 @ 0.00081093 = 30.0085 BTC [+]

05:31:39 BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/12/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-1-baseball/

05:31:44 ozbot: An Overview of Betable Sports Part 1: Baseball | Bingo Blog

05:43:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56100 @ 0.00080735 = 45.2923 BTC [-] {4}

05:43:43 KRS1: .bait

05:43:44 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/0ca88e524f2463725ceaeac331d25aa9/tumblr_msufbwEiAp1qz9pzzo1_1280.jpg

05:43:58 KRS1: per-fect

05:44:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5922 BTC [+]

05:52:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00081093 = 5.0278 BTC [+]

06:15:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37035 @ 0.00080542 = 29.8287 BTC [-] {2}

06:27:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12960 @ 0.00080536 = 10.4375 BTC [-]

07:16:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00079084 = 22.3808 BTC [-]

07:25:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00079084 = 6.8012 BTC [-]

07:37:06 dub: !ticker mp s.mpoe

07:37:06 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00079084 / 0.0008372 / 0.00087133 (1436246 shares, 1,202.44 BTC), 7D: 0.000745 / 0.00086275 / 0.0008865 (7303643 shares, 6,301.26 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00086336 / 0.0008982 (30334850 shares, 26,190.02 BTC)

08:04:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08510015 = 0.1702 BTC [-] {2}

08:12:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26832 @ 0.00079232 = 21.2595 BTC [+]

08:20:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 24 @ 0.00623014 = 0.1495 BTC [+] {3}

08:26:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67034 @ 0.00079568 = 53.3376 BTC [+] {4}

08:40:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 130 @ 0.00368975 = 0.4797 BTC [+] {5}

08:47:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00375662 = 0.5635 BTC [+] {6}

08:48:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00385732 = 0.8602 BTC [+] {5}

08:56:45 jurov: ;;prevdiffchange

08:56:48 gribble: 11.38694

09:01:56 BingoBoingo: .d

09:01:56 ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1964 blocks | Estimated Change: 29.2943% in 9d 15h 15m 43s

09:02:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.0001509 = 0.1207 BTC [+]

09:15:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00080065 = 30.5048 BTC [+] {2}

09:28:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9217 @ 0.00080035 = 7.3768 BTC [-]

09:33:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15098 @ 0.00079596 = 12.0174 BTC [-]

09:34:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20429 @ 0.0007929 = 16.1982 BTC [-]

09:34:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6047 BTC [+]

09:38:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24922 @ 0.00079205 = 19.7395 BTC [-] {3}

09:50:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00079148 = 32.5298 BTC [-] {2}

10:01:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07 = 2.45 BTC [+]

10:01:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00079505 = 23.613 BTC [+] {2}

10:35:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14370 @ 0.00079543 = 11.4303 BTC [+]

10:49:49 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete the quote is good, but why does it come with a lower scrollbar ? it's unreadable this way.

10:49:49 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:51:44 mircea_popescu: also it's dubious practice that you take the painstaking care to mention whatever bitcoiny site but somehow omit to point out on what venue you heard this entire thing about berkshire.

10:51:47 mircea_popescu: that's not how it's done.

11:07:17 mircea_popescu: "2 of my students wrote a Google Glass trojan that secretly takes photos and uploads them to a 3rd party. Oh, and got it into the Play store."

11:07:18 mircea_popescu: lol.

11:15:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo clearly loves baseball :D

11:15:37 mircea_popescu: "great conflict between the Apollonian grace and Dionysian chaos is a root of great art", listen to that, you've made generations of middle aged jocks tear up.

11:16:14 mircea_popescu: if only you were there, o cyrano of bingoiac, to whisper in their ear at '80s raves and whatnot. all the professional cunt they could've ravished...

11:25:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40180 @ 0.00079543 = 31.9604 BTC [+]

11:31:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3953 @ 0.00079552 = 3.1447 BTC [+] {2}

11:31:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2}

11:32:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.039735 = 0.2384 BTC [-] {3}

11:33:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.09199956 = 0.46 BTC [+] {3}

11:35:31 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I plan on covering most of the sports. Next is probably Basketball because it is the least betable.

11:37:38 BingoBoingo: Well, least betable if you discount football/soccer because that shit ends in a draw way too often

11:39:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00079551 = 18.8934 BTC [-] {2}

11:51:13 MisterE_: http://i.imgur.com/XnCdLF9.jpg?1

11:59:26 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how come you're not actually trying to run a book then ? is it illegal where you live or something ?

11:59:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.0036 = 0.4464 BTC [-] {6}

12:00:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.0038391 = 0.4952 BTC [+] {6}

12:07:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.58223275 = 4.6579 BTC [-] {5}

12:08:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58000015 = 1.16 BTC [-] {2}

12:09:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07 = 0.98 BTC [+]

12:10:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26715 @ 0.0007951 = 21.2411 BTC [-] {3}

12:16:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0185001 = 0.185 BTC [+]

12:23:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00079618 = 18.0335 BTC [+]

12:31:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00079795 = 41.4136 BTC [+] {3}

12:33:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.58000008 = 6.38 BTC [-] {2}

12:38:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59899889 BTC [+]

12:42:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00079879 = 7.9879 BTC [+]

12:48:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00079887 = 10.1856 BTC [+]

12:53:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0925 = 0.2775 BTC [+]

13:01:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7039 @ 0.00079887 = 5.6232 BTC [+]

13:09:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30346 @ 0.00080071 = 24.2983 BTC [+]

13:25:32 VanCleef: hi, whats a good investment? my daughter really needs this operation

13:29:11 jurov: VanCleef: bitcoin, half a year ago?

13:33:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [+] {3}

13:33:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00595 = 0.1071 BTC [-]

13:36:40 [\]: jurov: bitcoin, 3 years ago

13:39:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 163 @ 0.00374994 = 0.6112 BTC [+] {4}

13:42:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 220 @ 0.00378672 = 0.8331 BTC [+] {3}

13:43:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 301 @ 0.00379598 = 1.1426 BTC [+] {2}

13:44:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.00386798 = 0.4332 BTC [+] {3}

13:48:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0404 = 0.1212 BTC [+]

13:55:16 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu very sorry about the dubiousity. it's been corrected… the formatting on this one has a mind of its own on the blogs-b-a site but seems to be working well on the blog itself. my guess is the copy/pasting messed it up. thx for taking the time to read it and provide feedback!

13:55:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:55:47 mircea_popescu: yee.

13:55:54 Neil: mircea_popescu: So do you ever take a holiday? Or is your life so fulfilling doing your thang that you never want to chill out so that delivering statements in the first few days of each month is never an issue? Is that job subordinated to anyone else yet?

13:56:41 mircea_popescu: well, to split your q up in answerable bits,

13:57:17 mircea_popescu: i'm a reputed workaholic (also see http://fraudsters.com/2013/zonehedge-wow-such-durden-much-info-about-useless/#footnote_2_51568 )

13:57:30 mircea_popescu: also exact arrangements have never really been disclosed, so nobody actually knows.

13:58:19 Neil: I see, curious why you're waiting for someone to disclose so that you know.

13:58:35 Neil: You robot or sthg?

13:59:25 mircea_popescu: lol

13:59:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00387499 = 0.3294 BTC [+] {4}

14:01:10 Neil: In a parallel universe with no risk you see, I mighta been interested in investing in some of your ventures. Though the terms are clear, it's also the problem, as a) a 30BTC fine to "play" means there's gotta be something worth playing for, and b) I worry about you getting run over by a bus, for example, because c) it's all really quite opaque and I rate b) as ~2% annually, which is quite a JTD risk.

14:02:03 ThickAsThieves: dont forget coinbr exists

14:02:21 Neil: I've had enough of 3rd parties

14:02:36 mircea_popescu: you can just use a broker.

14:02:42 mircea_popescu: or w/e, be a broker

14:02:46 ThickAsThieves: not all 3rd parties are created equally

14:03:15 Neil: Good incentive to get off my ass and do something useful myself I guess.

14:03:48 mircea_popescu: Neil and now you're coming to the why things are structured this way.

14:03:54 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not about serving a consumer market.

14:04:00 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is about encouraging people to create.

14:04:13 Neil: Is JTD an understood acronym? Just curious if it's a product of my history

14:04:24 mircea_popescu: which is why we don't want more "adoption". we want more actual penetration. get off your ass do something, cause it ain't gonna do itself.

14:04:49 mircea_popescu: jump to default ?

14:04:59 Neil: Well spent my life getting off my ass doing stuff for others, but no more

14:05:06 Neil: mp: well done

14:05:16 mircea_popescu: i didn't dop anything lol

14:05:50 mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a good chance you misrepresent what "doing for oneself" means in this context.

14:05:52 Neil: Actually 2% is also low; probably 3-4% is better.

14:06:06 Neil: mp: plz elaborate

14:06:36 mircea_popescu: well, it'll be lengthy. the whole story is in an article i wrote about romanians a while back, http://fraudsters.com/2011/povestea-celor-trei-imparati-smecheri-si-a-celor-trei-negustori-fraieri-fabula-in-versuri-ilustrata/

14:06:55 Neil: impressed by the speed at random linking

14:07:00 mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's something like this : romania emergend in 1989 incredibly poor,

14:07:25 mircea_popescu: with about twenty million people who not only owned nothing at all (literally, a pair of jeans would get you unlimited bjs cca 1988)

14:07:36 mircea_popescu: but more importantly without any of the mental structures that'd allow them to work productively.

14:07:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]

14:07:53 mircea_popescu: because 50 years under a state directed economy destroys entrepreneurship, something romanians never were very good at anyway

14:08:09 mircea_popescu: (which is a very lengthy discussion also found on my blog, but really not too interesting here, as to why)

14:08:29 mircea_popescu: so this put them in this strange position whereby even if they wanted to, they couldn't do anything.

14:08:40 mircea_popescu: i mean think about it, a country that suddenly needs everything. everything!

14:08:43 Neil: Yeah; the state destroying incentives is something that has gotten so clear to me in the last 2-3 yrs yet I'm baffled by how few around me see it.

14:08:51 mircea_popescu: imagine a town the size of akron, ohio, which has exactly one restaurant in it

14:09:08 mircea_popescu: could you easily make a living for yourself in such an environment ? surely.

14:09:18 mircea_popescu: people need food and plumbing and fguckin shoes and everything.

14:09:20 mircea_popescu: but that's you.

14:09:32 mircea_popescu: the average romanian was too fucktarded to understand even the basics of how economy works. at all.

14:09:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0925 = 0.185 BTC [+]

14:10:00 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the state out of some sort of revolutionary excess or idealistic confusion or whatever, decided it will allocate all its resources to the population. just like that.

14:10:14 mircea_popescu: this yielded two direct results : on one hand, everyone got his house.

14:10:20 blackwhite: morning gents

14:10:29 mircea_popescu: the way it worked was that as long as you maintained employment, you got free housing from the govt dept of housing.

14:10:43 Neil: It's interesting how people believe automation will eliminate their ability to do anything. But it's clear that people always want something more - that's the nature of being human after all. So there is always demand for more products / services. Why isn't that obvious?

14:11:08 mircea_popescu: new govt allowed everyone to "buy back" this at nominal prices. due to inflation the average 800 sq foot apt everyone had ended up costing less than a computer.

14:11:23 Neil: They just want the job they thought they could keep for life, rather than having to think and do something else

14:11:31 mircea_popescu: on the other side of things, the govt decided to split up all the industry, and create a bunch of "shareholders".

14:11:39 mircea_popescu: so, 20 mn coupons were printed, and distributed to each individual.

14:11:52 mircea_popescu: all the companies the state owned allowed the subscription of thes coupons

14:12:07 mircea_popescu: then the yallocated ownershiop exactly the way the original MPOE shares were allocated :

14:12:14 nubbins`: email?!

14:12:15 mircea_popescu: if a company got 10 coupons, every one guy got 10% of it.

14:12:18 nubbins`: o.

14:12:26 mircea_popescu: if a company got 10mn coupons, each person got 0.0001% etc.

14:12:42 mircea_popescu: so suddenly, a bunch of romanians without a clue were real estate and industrial capital owners.

14:12:44 mircea_popescu: what happened ?

14:13:00 Neil: the fittest survived? the rest got eaten.

14:13:08 mircea_popescu: ;;google caritas ponzo

14:13:09 gribble: Ponzi scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme; Oral history collection - Library of Congress: http://www.loc.gov/folklife/civilrights/survey/view_collection.php?coll_id=2696; Concordia Discors. Turin Background Report: http://www.concordiadiscors.eu/assets/BR_Turin1.pdf

14:13:35 mircea_popescu: "Mugur Isărescu, the president of the National Bank of Romania, estimated that it held a third of Romania's banknotes at one point."

14:14:15 mircea_popescu: this is a story of idiocy and unbridled enthusiasm, and of how very stupid people fail to fall in step with economic structure.

14:15:02 mircea_popescu: while it's easy to laugh at these particular retards, such as the parents of every romanian girl i ever fucked, this is a bit like picking fun at the special olympic people.

14:15:15 mircea_popescu: moreover, the sort of mistake they made, we're not immune from.

14:15:38 mircea_popescu: which is why random fuckwit discovering bitcoin is all about how "I WILL MAKE MY OWN EXCAHGE" rather than "i wonder where i could add my incremental effort"

14:16:06 Neil: mp: I'm curious - how much of your current beliefs are your own, and how much from your parents / schooling etc.

14:16:15 mircea_popescu: in general, ventures made and wholly operated by people who are unable to act economically (which means, collaboratively) are doomed.

14:16:37 mircea_popescu: a point often underscored by buffet re owning a fraction of the hope diamond rather than a whole lump of coal.

14:16:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3138 @ 0.00014701 = 0.4613 BTC [-] {4}

14:17:18 mircea_popescu: Neil well how would one know ? probably the best test would be, "how well does your school/parents/etc recognise itself in your beliefs", in which case they're pretty much mine.

14:17:58 Neil: OK, so what led you down your path?

14:18:18 mircea_popescu: what led me ?!

14:18:27 mircea_popescu: nothing leads me dood, i lead it.

14:18:40 Neil: cmon my meaning is clear

14:18:46 mircea_popescu: maybe to you.

14:19:07 Neil: What life experiences changed your thinking from what your were taught to believe to what you actually believe

14:19:28 mircea_popescu: uh.

14:19:34 jurov: Neil, I was profoundly discontent with what i was told

14:19:38 mircea_popescu: what, you actually think that's how it works ?

14:19:50 jurov: and just had to find out on my own

14:19:56 jurov: it's not complicated

14:20:28 Neil: mp: don't understand how your qn relates

14:20:46 mircea_popescu: Neil what people think is not controllable by their life experiences.

14:20:52 mircea_popescu: if it were, education'd be trivial.

14:21:04 mircea_popescu: just put them in a well designed educatron/gauntlet and let them be

14:21:57 TomServo: mircea_popescu: Thanks for the nudge to look at the Berkshire letters. Interesting stuff there.

14:22:23 nubbins`: controllable, no

14:22:26 mircea_popescu: TomServo the guy is definitely more worthy of being read, on a ROP basis, than pretty much any economics professor. and he doesn't even charge.

14:22:30 nubbins`: influenced by, sure, if you let it

14:22:37 mircea_popescu: nubbins` well what's that do.

14:22:55 TomServo: You seem to have some level of respect for Buffet.. so I'm curious what you'd say regarding his comments around the purchase of BNSF

14:23:01 mircea_popescu: sure, it works to a large degree, i can educate my slaves on a very similar process.

14:23:06 TomServo: specifically: At the time, I called the transaction an “all-in wager on the economic future of the United

14:23:08 TomServo: States.”

14:23:09 mircea_popescu: but this doesn't excuse me from having to pick them first.

14:23:12 Neil: jurov: well I realized about 3 years ago that all I'd been told about money (which was almost nothing - an amazing and likely deliberate gap of the education system) didn't make any sense. And I wanted to understand money. Started reading, and 6 months later find bitcoin (2011) and think wow, and then many things all became a lot clearer. Perhaps I'm slow, but in most things I'm not. Just never had really been given the right

14:23:12 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

14:23:12 Neil: context to think about it.

14:23:15 nubbins`: fancy way of saying that being exposed to ideas will inspire curiosity in the receptive

14:23:27 nubbins`: but being receptive? well, that's your job

14:23:35 mircea_popescu: TomServo yeah. it kinda was.

14:24:12 TomServo: also: And the dynamism

14:24:15 TomServo: embedded in our market economy will continue to work its magic. America’s best days lie ahead.

14:24:18 Neil: mp: I don't understand your point. Deeply held beliefs that are not handed down to you must have been formed by life experiences, I suspect.

14:24:21 mircea_popescu: Neil money is a transcendent you know.

14:24:46 mircea_popescu: there's a three part bit on fraudsters about essences, which really i'll have to have translated, it's too important.

14:24:55 mircea_popescu: Neil beliefs and experiences aren't telling the whole story.

14:25:10 mircea_popescu: TomServo perhaps he's senile. or perhaps he has a point.

14:25:33 mircea_popescu: i dun see much future in the us, let alone any magic manifest destiny sort of future. then again, im not from there and ostensibly don't much care.

14:25:54 nubbins`: scary place

14:26:07 nubbins`: everyone bought into the hype and now assumes the hype will carry them through

14:26:54 mircea_popescu: see the thing is : there are indeed some hard working us folk.

14:27:06 mircea_popescu: they are surrounded by the night, and the likely result is they will revisit romania's folly

14:27:14 mircea_popescu: each a little emperor on his little lump of coal

14:27:22 mircea_popescu: that's at least two decades of unlimited economic collapse

14:27:33 Neil: So I was at a bitcoin meetup this evening. Japan. Which has recently learned about bitcoin (there was basically zip in Japanese 1 year ago on the internet, now it's on a par with the information / misinformation content that exists in English).

14:27:50 mircea_popescu: by which point other major infrastructural points start suffering, ie, life in town will no longer be possible, but it is required for a certain post 1700 level of social an economic life.

14:27:56 mircea_popescu: so the whole thing can go africa quite easily.

14:28:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47650 @ 0.00080012 = 38.1257 BTC [-]

14:28:28 ughlol: Hi, I am looking for investment for a startup! :) Some friends over at bitcoin-otc said this might be the right channel to find potential investors!

14:28:44 mircea_popescu: ughlol sure, lurk for half year or so.

14:28:56 Neil: Dude, who works for a media company, says "but bitcoin's not stable. Not robust. I worry about ... " and I'm thinking "WTF are you talking about? I can hardly imagine anything more stable/robust". I don't think I can relate on the same level any more. Too many people want "authority" to tell them what to do / think.

14:29:00 ughlol: Half year? Im sorry, I don't understand.

14:29:47 Apocalyptic: "Too many people want "authority" to tell them what to do / think." // sadly true

14:29:52 jurov: ughlol: have youread the MPOE-PR forum post on bitcoin enterprises?

14:29:54 Neil: Just coz the price bounces around a fair bit has nothing to do with the robustness of the system.

14:30:14 ughlol: jurov: no I havent. Can you please link me?

14:30:31 mircea_popescu: ughlol see either http://fraudsters.com/2014/la-firma/ or http://fraudsters.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/ depending on which level you're working on

14:30:42 mircea_popescu: which i don't know because you just dropped here and started talking randomly.

14:30:47 Neil: Fscking Japanese pension system - they lost the records of 20 million people FFS. And then local govt employees were found pocketing money because the records were so inadequate they just could. You can't make something disappear from the block chain. Guy got up and walked off.

14:31:00 ughlol: thanks mircea_popescu

14:31:13 mircea_popescu: Neil actually the best measure of bitcoin robustness per se, i would think, is the time - to - hash mechanism.

14:31:17 jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 i meant this, but above applies too

14:31:19 ozbot: So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right?

14:31:32 Neil: But we need to regulate bitcoin, not the govt or local govt employees, coz they must be good and proper.

14:31:32 ughlol: not a bitcoin business

14:31:36 mircea_popescu: bitcoin has managed to maintain the time needed to get 2k blocks within one to three weeks in spite of infinite % growth of hash power.

14:31:42 ughlol: But a social network. Im looking for investment.

14:31:49 mircea_popescu: i know of no previous instance of a mechanism working so efficiently in all human technical history.

14:31:57 jurov: ughlol: as soon as you want bitcoin investment, it *is* one

14:32:05 ughlol: oh, I see.

14:32:06 ughlol: ok

14:32:52 ughlol: WOT account as in World of Tanks account? :/

14:33:13 jurov: ;;gettrust ughlol

14:33:14 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user ughlol: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=ughlol | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ughlol | Rated since: never

14:33:19 jurov: ^ no, this one

14:33:28 ughlol: Oh i see.

14:33:34 ughlol: Im on localbitcoins.com

14:33:38 ughlol: I have quite some good rep there.

14:33:43 mircea_popescu: how the shit was that app facebook bought called ?

14:33:47 mircea_popescu: i can't even remember it ;/

14:33:49 nubbins`: whats app?

14:33:53 mircea_popescu: a ty

14:34:03 nubbins`: i had an app that let you send sms messages via email

14:34:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.00385 = 0.181 BTC [-]

14:34:12 nubbins`: stopped updating when whatsapp stole all the customers ;(

14:34:17 ughlol: And if you're worried about who i am, and if im a fraud, I'll give you my real name, and you can google me! :)

14:34:18 nubbins`: well. "stole" is a bit much

14:34:21 Neil: mircea_popescu: It's nice, but nothing special. Just a self-adjusting mechanism. I think the economics / incentives of bitcoin are the smartest part. And the fact (other than block size which was a short-term expedient solution to a short-term problem) that so much was left to just float (including the creation of altcoins for example). I think that took balls and real insight. Satoshi was a cool dude for whom I'd love to buy

14:34:21 Neil: a beer.

14:34:44 mircea_popescu: but... stability.

14:34:47 nubbins`: ughlol: you may find that the barrier to entry is significantly higher here than many, many other places

14:35:04 mircea_popescu: a self adjusting mechanism that turns maxint variation into [.5,1.5] ?

14:35:07 ughlol: Oh, I see.

14:35:08 mircea_popescu: that's something.

14:35:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 204 @ 0.00386999 = 0.7895 BTC [+] {5}

14:35:37 ughlol: And I have to trade through bitcoin-otc or something to get some rep, otherwise nobody will be interested in investing?

14:36:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.0038704 = 0.2284 BTC [+] {2}

14:36:12 Neil: maxint variation? difficulty is bound by [0.25,4] factor per adjustment.

14:36:17 Neil: perhaps I misunderstand

14:37:25 Neil: The fact that transactions (other than coinbase) are equally valid on both sides of a split is also an under-appreciated awesome stability feature.

14:37:35 ughlol: wow

14:37:42 ughlol: mircea_popescu: you wrote one scary-ass post

14:37:54 mircea_popescu: yw

14:38:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00387 = 0.387 BTC [-]

14:38:19 mircea_popescu: ughlol well ideally you want to be known. you're not currently known. how you resolve this problem is entirely up to you, but sure, wot helps a lot.

14:38:37 ughlol: Im not known here

14:38:45 ughlol: but in the security world, at least in India, quite a bit

14:40:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00387 = 0.1935 BTC [-]

14:41:22 mircea_popescu: yes, but you're not trying to deal with the security world of india, are you ?

14:41:31 mircea_popescu: so you'll have to somehow bridge these.

14:41:36 ughlol: I agree.

14:42:14 ughlol: But the real question seems to be identity. Because neither did you ask for my idea to judge. You obviously wonder where your investment will go to.

14:42:23 ughlol: And I understand that, I've seen many fraudsters as well.

14:42:43 jurov: just lurk and you'll certainly find out something to offer and gain rep

14:44:06 jurov: wot is not meant for -otc trading only

14:44:21 ughlol: oh

14:44:22 ughlol: i see

14:44:36 chetty: sit on the actual idea while you get to understand how best to pitch it here

14:45:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5860002 BTC [-]

14:45:57 ughlol: Now I understand why the rich get richer and poor get poorer! :)

14:46:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3651 @ 0.00080012 = 2.9212 BTC [-]

14:46:28 Neil: ThickAsThieves: b.t.w. with you on your discussion of 16hrs ago that I had to abandon for work

14:46:46 mircea_popescu: ughlol there is no such thing as "an idea".

14:47:46 ughlol: of course there is

14:50:15 ughlol: imho

14:50:36 ughlol: nobody trusts in individuals with ideas anymore

14:51:45 ughlol: and that sucks

14:52:04 ughlol: :(

14:52:33 ughlol: Looks like I'll never get investment for anything

14:52:44 ughlol: Have to do a stupid engineering degree and get a stupid job.

14:55:07 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/google-exploring-the-botomless-pit-of-irrelevance-since-2004-or-so/

14:55:08 ozbot: Google : exploring the botomless pit of irrelevance, since 2004 or so. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mirce

14:55:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00345783 = 1.3831 BTC [-] {9}

14:55:33 mircea_popescu: ughlol well a constructive approach is always more indicated.

14:55:37 ughlol: mircea_popescu: is that for me?

14:55:40 mircea_popescu: nah.

14:55:44 mircea_popescu: i jhust finished it.

14:55:50 ughlol: mircea_popescu: constructive approach how?

14:56:25 mircea_popescu: as in read those two things, do what you're told, take the time to do it well.

14:56:52 mircea_popescu: finance is a profession, not something happenstance like picking up a coin you found in the bus station.

14:56:54 ughlol: I can't understand how investors dont understand that a two man team can't make a very great app, not in the desired timeframe. They say that they'll invest when they see a prototype.

14:57:11 mircea_popescu: try understanding this part : nobody cares.

14:57:19 ughlol: Yeah

14:57:21 mircea_popescu: the world isn't structured so as to make it possible for you to survive.

14:58:15 ughlol: I agree :(

14:58:18 ughlol: and thats just so sad

14:58:22 mircea_popescu: why is it sad ?

14:58:28 mircea_popescu: i happen to think it's great.

14:58:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07 = 1.05 BTC [+]

14:58:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 199 @ 0.00080012 = 0.1592 BTC [-]

14:58:39 ughlol: Its sad for people that want to do something but cant

14:58:44 mircea_popescu: fuck them ?

14:58:52 mircea_popescu: tell me, do you like girls ?

14:58:56 ughlol: Im one of them! :)

14:58:58 ughlol: Yes, I do

14:59:00 ughlol: lol

14:59:08 mircea_popescu: okay. do you like girls generally or do you like pretty girls ?

14:59:17 ughlol: I like pretty girls..

14:59:20 mircea_popescu: me too.

14:59:24 ughlol: haha

14:59:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07 = 1.05 BTC [+]

14:59:36 mircea_popescu: so here's the scoop : if we don't kill the ugly ones, they will slowly multiply and take over.

14:59:48 mircea_popescu: we don't want that, so, unless she's pretty, she's screwed. (otherwise, she's fucked).

14:59:57 ughlol: Omg. You're right.

15:00:02 mircea_popescu: which i suppose is very sad for the ugly girls,

15:00:11 mircea_popescu: except nobody gives a shit what ugly girls think on any topic.

15:00:22 ughlol: Thats true.

15:00:23 ughlol: :O

15:00:25 ughlol: OMG

15:00:28 mircea_popescu: so then there you go. same applies.

15:00:30 ughlol: That makes so much sense.

15:01:51 mircea_popescu: yeah, it makes so much sense, because you told me you're from india and i knew how to construct it.

15:01:58 mircea_popescu: if i didn't know that it'd have never made sense.

15:02:09 mircea_popescu: which is the fucking point here. we gotta know you in order for anything you say to make any sense

15:02:15 mircea_popescu: which is why there's no such thing as "an idea".

15:02:34 ughlol: Yeah, you're right..

15:02:41 mircea_popescu: (ask all these other dudes who live in western countries, the entire girl thing makes 0 sense to them, for isntance)

15:03:14 ughlol: hmm

15:03:20 ughlol: I wish I was born elsewhere

15:03:25 ughlol: the economy in India sucks so bad

15:03:37 ughlol: and Indian investors dont give a shit about anybody :(

15:05:03 ughlol: thanks for enlightening me mircea_popescu

15:05:31 ughlol: Honestly, I first thought you were some random guy full of ego and trolling me

15:05:49 ughlol: Im sorry about that.

15:06:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30884 @ 0.00080038 = 24.7189 BTC [+]

15:09:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.586 = 7.032 BTC [-]

15:11:27 ThickAsThieves: <ughlol> But a social network. Im looking for investment. /// boy did he come to the wrong place

15:12:33 ughlol: yeah :(

15:12:36 ughlol: I have 0 luck

15:12:46 ughlol: and was born into the wrong damn community of misers

15:12:48 ughlol: lol

15:12:54 ughlol: but thats just my problem

15:12:58 ughlol: sorry to disturb you all

15:13:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [+]

15:14:43 ThickAsThieves: well it's okay

15:15:32 ughlol: :)

15:15:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0057102 = 0.2284 BTC [-] {2}

15:18:08 ThickAsThieves: mp your google article seems to make my Search Party "idea" seem that much better

15:18:45 ThickAsThieves: essentially by outlawing guns, google made it so only outlaws have guns

15:18:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00369999 = 0.2146 BTC [+] {2}

15:18:54 ThickAsThieves: (SEO penetration)

15:20:04 ThickAsThieves: for reference: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2014#466597

15:21:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00080029 = 16.1258 BTC [-]

15:22:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00571005 = 0.1941 BTC [-] {4}

15:23:01 ThickAsThieves: relevant to yesterday's Top 500 conversation: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20bh0w/richest_address_since_2011_until_2014_has_made/

15:23:24 ThickAsThieves: youre welcome for the idea mircea! ;)

15:23:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.0037 = 0.518 BTC [+] {2}

15:29:49 ThickAsThieves: well fuck me, Deprived is back https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg5677176#msg5677176

15:33:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [+]

15:33:14 dexX7: haha well, not much explaination

15:33:26 dexX7: was he in the us?

15:33:49 imsaguy: Did you know that the venom from the Brazilian Wandering Spider (World's deadliest spider) causes an erection in men? They want to use it in place of viagra.

15:34:26 dexX7: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Phoneutria_nigriventer.jpg rly?

15:36:29 mircea_popescu: ughlol_afk that's ok, you're not the first one.

15:37:41 dexX7: i'm asking about deprived, because there was also creativx, another us issuer who vanished after btct who had a rock solid reputation

15:38:27 ThickAsThieves: well, ask Deprived, we surely don't know

15:39:04 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves search definitely could use some help. the problem is that by now, it devolved into the www equivalent of the check \cashing service

15:39:18 mircea_popescu: only the [intellectually] poor actually rely on it, and that's a community you never want to serve

15:39:54 dexX7: neat http://www.bitcointrezor.com/news/2014-03-13-public-demo-trezor-status

15:40:06 ThickAsThieves: all i'm asking for is 20 minutes with Brin, and a fat check

15:40:41 mircea_popescu: imsaguy i knew that, actually.

15:41:01 nubbins`: nothing gets me hard like lethal poison

15:41:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07199999 = 2.016 BTC [+] {3}

15:41:19 nubbins`: priapism FTW

15:41:28 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves now how the fuck did that end up there http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20bh0w/richest_address_since_2011_until_2014_has_made/cg1mo8a

15:42:23 mircea_popescu: whoa look at that, deprived is back form the dead to call craigate a scammor ?!

15:42:53 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:43:08 mircea_popescu: "If anyone incurred costs taking legal advice in respect of my absence then please PM me and I'll look at reimbursing it (copies of invoices would be required)."

15:43:12 asciilifeform: the 'trezor' stuff is almost physically painful to read. it's as if they knew every single correct design decision, and did... the exact opposite.

15:43:12 mircea_popescu: interesting approach.

15:43:26 mircea_popescu: i could trivially have any of my counsel write me infinity bills and bleed him dry.

15:43:36 mircea_popescu: i wonder wtf people be thinking.

15:43:59 dexX7: i bet most people don't try to exploit stuff

15:44:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one of these days write the specifics out rather than the vague summary, you can join the club of slanderous souls.

15:44:19 mircea_popescu: dexX7 yeah. and most people are too naive to be involved with tools as powerful as btc.

15:44:21 mircea_popescu: either one.

15:44:26 dexX7: ^_^

15:45:09 ThickAsThieves: i think Deprived is just claling bullshit on anyone actually seeking counsel and confident everyone is too lazy to get back-invoices

15:45:34 ThickAsThieves: technically he did exactly what he said he would

15:45:41 ThickAsThieves: not communicate until he had news

15:46:27 asciilifeform: dexX7: i bet most people don't try to exploit stuff << 'you may not be interested in war, but war is certainly interested in you.'

15:47:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00080038 = 10.485 BTC [+]

15:47:22 ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/riskandcompliance/2014/03/13/j-p-morgan-customers-tweet-complaints-about-anti-money-laundering-policy/

15:47:22 ozbot: J.P. Morgan Depositors Tweet Complaints About Anti-Money Laundering Policy - Risk & Compliance - W

15:49:13 dexX7: well, i never would rely on it, but i think most act in good faith, others are like "omg someone will exploit this" but don't do anything and a tiny subset may actually try something nefarious

15:51:59 nubbins`: showed pascale nude-yoga.com

15:52:37 dexX7: asciilifeform: what do the trezor guys wrong for example? i didn't really follow the progress

15:52:43 nubbins`: she was mightily impressed

15:58:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07199999 = 0.72 BTC [+] {3}

15:59:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 0.23396500 BTC to 320`500 shares, 73 satoshi per share

16:02:18 ThickAsThieves: well shit, now Kate is back the same day as Deprived...

16:03:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00080083 = 37.0784 BTC [+] {2}

16:07:48 ThickAsThieves: this is all contributing to my spider sense beginning to tingle yesterday

16:08:01 dexX7: kate already "came back" a few days ago

16:08:02 ThickAsThieves: expect notable btc/usd price movement in 3-5 days!

16:08:11 dexX7: or 2-3 weeks, not sure anymore

16:08:11 ThickAsThieves: well now she's actually posting

16:08:19 ThickAsThieves: surprised all it took was threats

16:08:23 Apocalyptic: on litecointalk ?

16:08:26 ThickAsThieves: yeah

16:08:50 ThickAsThieves: and now on btctalk

16:09:33 dexX7: "we can't pay divs because of the size of the smallest output" oh well

16:10:02 ThickAsThieves: in case you didnt figure it, BondHolder is me

16:10:20 dexX7: good job then

16:10:22 ThickAsThieves: i got caught with pants down trying to trade that shit

16:10:28 ThickAsThieves: when BTCT closed

16:10:47 dexX7: how much does b1 earn per week in btc per share?

16:10:53 ThickAsThieves: it

16:10:56 ThickAsThieves: 's based on USD

16:10:59 ThickAsThieves: so not much

16:11:03 dexX7: or it was 0.34 usd or so, right?

16:11:12 ThickAsThieves: i dont even track it honestly

16:11:18 ThickAsThieves: i'd be happy just to redeem them

16:11:32 ThickAsThieves: never intended to hold them

16:12:24 dexX7: i remember what you said at the very beginning via pm when i asked about your standpoint. in the end i can only say: you were right

16:12:50 ThickAsThieves: i shoulda listened to myself

16:12:51 ThickAsThieves: hehe

16:13:01 ThickAsThieves: just the buying pressure was strong

16:13:23 ThickAsThieves: of course you probly more mean the PT

16:13:27 ThickAsThieves: than the bond

16:13:37 dexX7: yup

16:13:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.19372696 BTC to 3`708 shares, 59162 satoshi per share

16:14:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07459999 = 1.865 BTC [+] {4}

16:14:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 19.93320684 BTC to 3`708 shares, 537573 satoshi per share

16:14:56 ThickAsThieves: the tiny dividend excuse is obnoxious

16:15:05 ThickAsThieves: thats why i offered to pay to round it up

16:15:27 ThickAsThieves: probably not even $1 expense to solve

16:16:19 dexX7: the dust limit is 0.0000564 btc which is about 0.036 usd

16:16:48 ThickAsThieves: she also makes it like there are 1000s of holders

16:16:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08733334 = 0.524 BTC [-] {3}

16:16:53 ThickAsThieves: this is nonsense

16:17:11 ThickAsThieves: AM100 on BTCT probably had the largest qty of shareholders

16:17:26 ThickAsThieves: and i processed tons of shit by hand to render those people whole

16:17:49 ThickAsThieves: i recall it being far less than 1000 holders

16:17:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.08519288 = 2.1298 BTC [-] {5}

16:17:54 dexX7: yea

16:17:58 ThickAsThieves: but i'd have to look it up

16:19:13 dexX7: "For the purposes of the examples below we have used a price of €85.00 EUR/BTC. An interest rate of ~22%/year (0.38%/week) based on EUR/BTC value at time of issue (eg. ~€0.0032 / bond / week)." ... "100,000 bonds"

16:19:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0404 = 0.5252 BTC [-] {4}

16:19:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.08013076 = 1.0417 BTC [-] {3}

16:19:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-] {2}

16:20:06 ThickAsThieves: and most of the bonds are held by like 5 people

16:20:21 ThickAsThieves: me, Deprived, Kate (surely)

16:21:21 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves kate has been "back" for weeks

16:21:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.11950724 = 1.0756 BTC [-]

16:22:07 mircea_popescu: Neil since you mentioned jtd, you ever read the original mpoe prospectus ?

16:22:20 asciilifeform: http://nypost.com/2014/03/12/trader-throws-self-in-front-of-train-in-finance-worlds-latest-suicide/

16:22:20 ozbot: Trader kills self in finance world’s latest suicide | New York Post

16:22:47 ThickAsThieves: are finance deaths always this common and merely now more publicized?

16:22:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the "nazis are losing the war" joke ?

16:22:54 asciilifeform: ?

16:22:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.078 = 0.624 BTC [-]

16:22:59 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the profession has one of the largest suicide rates.

16:23:14 ThickAsThieves: i assume, but larger lately?

16:23:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform coupla jews, awaiting to be shot by the nazis. at the last moment, a courrier arrives with orders to hang them instead

16:23:34 mircea_popescu: one jew to the other "heh heh see ? they're clearly losing the war, can't even afford the bullets anymore"

16:23:45 asciilifeform: aha

16:23:52 mircea_popescu: apparently even nails for the guns are in short supply

16:23:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.0748227 = 1.6461 BTC [-] {12}

16:24:16 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well that i have no idea.

16:24:51 ThickAsThieves: i dont count one bullshit statement as being "back"

16:24:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.0404 = 1.7372 BTC [-]

16:24:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 49 @ 0.07204081 = 3.53 BTC [-] {3}

16:25:00 ThickAsThieves: you'r eback when you tcb

16:25:07 mircea_popescu: well in that case neither are back

16:25:41 ThickAsThieves: now she has 3mos padding

16:25:43 ThickAsThieves: bleh

16:26:14 mircea_popescu: i remember back before xmas when we were mocking her cuntdown

16:26:20 mircea_popescu: apparently it got overrun a little /

16:26:36 ThickAsThieves: just a lil

16:26:41 mircea_popescu: and speaking of tcb

16:26:42 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/a63a1a0b736ae648248af1671b51023c/tumblr_muqjsa8HXc1r2dyqzo1_1280.jpg

16:27:17 ThickAsThieves: i had someone from CT soliciting me to list a PT this week

16:27:32 ThickAsThieves: after speaking, he was like well shit, this really is toxic huh

16:28:03 ThickAsThieves: dunno if he was anyone important enough to stop the madness though

16:28:11 mircea_popescu: the madness shan't be stopped.

16:28:18 mircea_popescu: we just wanna fish bits from the river.

16:30:30 benkay: i'm having police state nightmares and i haven't even done anything

16:30:46 benkay: i blame you guys in general, and mp in particular.

16:31:06 mircea_popescu: http://www.siapress.ru/news/society/30512

16:31:09 mircea_popescu: o look, they're moving in

16:31:34 mircea_popescu: benkay what did i do!

16:32:21 mircea_popescu: Merry Lopan / Jolly Lopan. let the cutsy translation live 4ever :D

16:34:34 benkay: you know what you did mircea_popescu. you shattered my faith in the ever-victorious empire of capitalism.

16:34:47 mircea_popescu: what, we're gonna win.

16:35:00 benkay: well OBviously

16:36:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.04191666 = 0.6287 BTC [+] {4}

16:36:29 ThickAsThieves: http://www.voice-online.co.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/455/lead-racist_soap.jpg

16:36:29 rbones: .

16:36:49 mircea_popescu: "Top Of Mind scraped Bottom Of Barrel interviewing curmudgeon, Luddite, ignoramus, Statist and low brow unthinker Ken Hess. RLOL!"

16:36:56 mircea_popescu: ok which one of you guise is this ?

16:37:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 96 @ 0.0421 = 4.0416 BTC [+] {3}

16:37:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00080084 = 38.9208 BTC [+]

16:38:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04217999 = 0.2109 BTC [+] {2}

16:38:26 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bim4lUsIQAIxojO.png << from the "i can prove anything" department

16:38:32 mircea_popescu: apparently, working more is bad for you.

16:39:20 benkay: what's the counter-thesis?

16:40:35 mircea_popescu: that uncorrelated variables are uncorrelated

16:41:00 asciilifeform: u.s. steel production vs. salmonella incidence in france. log-log plot.

16:41:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 47 @ 0.11950724 = 5.6168 BTC [-]

16:41:27 chetty: http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2041-deluded-currency-cultists-believe-the-dollar-is-invincible

16:41:28 ozbot: Deluded Currency Cultists Believe The Dollar Is Invincible

16:41:37 dexX7: cm.b1 backup: http://archive.is/XZ9PC

16:43:24 mircea_popescu: dexX7 so basically what was it, a combo btc principal + fiat coupon deal ?

16:43:24 ThickAsThieves: word

16:44:02 ThickAsThieves: like any other bitcoin 'perpetual bond' except divs are based on USD rate

16:44:14 ThickAsThieves: so mostly downside on divs

16:44:28 ThickAsThieves: but still positive

16:44:34 mircea_popescu: but wait i don't understand. work me through this will you ?

16:44:35 ThickAsThieves: assuming redemption is possible

16:44:47 mircea_popescu: so i buy 100 btc worth of bonds, when btc is 100 usd.

16:44:55 mircea_popescu: on first coupon due date, btc is 200 usd.

16:45:00 mircea_popescu: how much is my coupon ?

16:45:18 ThickAsThieves: An interest rate of ~22%/year (0.38%/week) based on EUR/BTC value at time of issue (eg. ~€0.0032 / bond / week.

16:45:51 mircea_popescu: so i get 0.0038*100 btc * 100usd/200usd ?

16:46:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00575 = 0.299 BTC [-]

16:46:27 mircea_popescu: "After 12 months, each bond may be redeemed at any time by bondholder for 0.01 BTC." seems it was a proper bond.

16:46:27 ThickAsThieves: i believe so

16:46:39 ThickAsThieves: i honest;y never checked the divs

16:46:42 mircea_popescu: ok so basically it's a "get no interest and wait for a year to hear which excuse i pick up for not redeeming" ?

16:47:03 ThickAsThieves: well, get rapidly dwindling interest

16:47:15 mircea_popescu: reference being 85dollars/btc...

16:47:19 mircea_popescu: myeah.

16:47:20 ThickAsThieves: if btc had gone down it wouldve given more

16:47:48 ThickAsThieves: only reason i paid attention was as a trader

16:47:49 mircea_popescu: yeah, right, because random dragon-in-human-skin mental patient is very likely to efficiently conserve value.

16:47:55 mircea_popescu: it'd have paid more in what, hormones ?

16:48:27 ThickAsThieves: and i got what i deserved in that regard

16:48:50 ThickAsThieves: btct closed, kate got married

16:48:50 ThickAsThieves: etc

16:48:53 mircea_popescu: it boggles me that these ever sold for as premium

16:49:03 mircea_popescu: what did they trade as ?

16:49:06 dexX7: the good old btct times

16:49:07 ThickAsThieves: they were going at like 5% premium

16:49:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04168 = 0.2084 BTC [+] {2}

16:49:30 imsaguy: hmm

16:49:38 imsaguy: I need to start fancy paper stuffs

16:49:45 ThickAsThieves: but i suspect Kate as also playing the market

16:49:45 imsaguy: start selling*

16:49:52 dexX7: yea pretty sure

16:49:57 ThickAsThieves: wait

16:50:02 ThickAsThieves: she openly said so

16:50:07 ThickAsThieves: if i recall

16:50:18 imsaguy: so who did kate marry?

16:50:19 imsaguy: goat?

16:50:22 mircea_popescu: hqahahaa

16:50:26 ThickAsThieves: deprived obv

16:50:34 mircea_popescu: srs ?

16:50:41 imsaguy: I don't follow days of our forum

16:50:42 mircea_popescu: "Fed is 'about to' propose capital surcharge on largest financial firms."

16:50:45 imsaguy: so obv isn't obv

16:50:51 mircea_popescu: that should go over well

16:50:57 mircea_popescu: imsaguy i think he's being sarcastic

16:51:02 mircea_popescu: i... hope he's being sarcastic

16:51:06 ThickAsThieves: mostly

16:51:12 imsaguy: mircea_popescu: they mostly come out at night, mostly

16:51:22 ThickAsThieves: but they do have very coincidental availability

16:51:29 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BinwxJqCYAAoCcZ.jpg << "daytrading on scamsites" is strangely absent

16:51:30 imsaguy: probably the same person

16:51:42 imsaguy: deprived probably named his right hand kate

16:51:56 mircea_popescu: so your theory is that deprived is actually kate's ex male personality ?

16:51:57 benkay: here's a surcharge

16:52:02 mircea_popescu: meanwhile deprived of c0k ?

16:52:03 ThickAsThieves: nah

16:52:08 ThickAsThieves: i spoke with deprived once

16:52:12 imsaguy: no mircea_popescu

16:52:15 benkay: stop lending them money at 0% and letting them lend it to the usg at 2 or whatever

16:52:18 ThickAsThieves: i find it very hard to believe he is a tranny

16:52:18 imsaguy: kata ala rosie palmer

16:52:21 imsaguy: kate*

16:52:52 ThickAsThieves: he's a happy-go-lucky soccer/pub-lover

16:52:57 dexX7: kate != deprived

16:53:00 chetty: benkay about that police state problem: http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/u-s-supreme-court-rejects-appeal-in-second-amendment-case-refuses-to-prohibit-police-from-using-lawful-gun-ownership-as-a-trigger-for-no-knock-police-raids/79786#more-79786

16:53:02 mircea_popescu: spoke with ie, you went to a bar ?

16:53:07 dexX7: large gap between knowledge and style of writing

16:53:12 ThickAsThieves: voice over internet

16:53:26 ThickAsThieves: he was on his way to a bar though

16:53:27 ThickAsThieves: hehe

16:53:31 mircea_popescu: dexX7 i agree, was kinda curious what his theory is.

16:53:50 ThickAsThieves: i do think they have some sort of connection

16:53:58 ThickAsThieves: family, friend, or something

16:54:09 mircea_popescu: well sure, he fell for her dog and pony show about respectable uk business woman.

16:54:13 mircea_popescu: that's a connection.

16:54:17 ThickAsThieves: it would of course be aweome drama if they are husbands

16:54:23 imsaguy: what ever happened to mr. glbse?

16:54:26 mircea_popescu: why not wives ?

16:54:40 mircea_popescu: imsaguy he's waiting at the chinese border for his btc to be worth enough to allow him passage.

16:54:43 ThickAsThieves: well i'm not lifting those skirts

16:54:47 ThickAsThieves: you do it

16:55:16 imsaguy: lol

16:55:20 imsaguy: 1,2,3 not it

16:55:45 benkay: noes goes

16:55:48 benkay: nose

16:55:48 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwhwbksHob1qmojqio1_500.jpg

16:56:41 dexX7: .bait

16:56:42 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/5e3a7342a73f477fbc5952bf184ea4ab/tumblr_mu3o7p4YE01s8tt3vo1_500.jpg

16:56:59 benkay: chetty: in my dream every seat but the mid-row passenger seat in my truck was filled with a cop, and as I went to hop in my truck to do something, other cops stuffed me in the empty seat. and i haven't even been watching movies lately?

16:57:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35480 @ 0.00080127 = 28.4291 BTC [+] {2}

16:57:54 benkay: anyways the part that stuck with me was how they thought i'd been in louisiana, and had derped their butts out to the Cascades to have a "talk" with me. all eight of them.

16:58:05 ThickAsThieves: sounds like you feel trapped in your own "home"

16:58:15 chetty: You sure that was dream benkay? Sounds like daily life

16:58:42 mircea_popescu: whats in louisiana

16:58:53 benkay: that's whats got me antsy this morning. "just because i'm paranoid does not mean they're not out to get me."

16:59:17 benkay: rotting manses from the sugar days? iono, i dont touch that part of the continent.

17:00:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07501403 = 7.5014 BTC [+] {9}

17:05:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0766 = 0.8426 BTC [-]

17:06:23 VanCleef: i'm looking fowardto mircea's new bitcoin tv showcalled "Why Mircea is better than you."

17:06:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59888998 = 1.1978 BTC [+]

17:06:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.07589999 = 0.759 BTC [-] {4}

17:07:19 benkay: i'm looking forward to mircea's new sexual exhibitionist show "you thought she looked good in the studio!"

17:07:52 mircea_popescu: i'm looking forward to mircea's new female body, "you thought he's just a guy ?!?!?!"

17:08:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49988 @ 0.00080143 = 40.0619 BTC [+] {3}

17:08:55 VanCleef: /semihard

17:12:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16251 @ 0.00080029 = 13.0055 BTC [-]

17:14:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15799 @ 0.00080135 = 12.6605 BTC [+] {3}

17:16:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.07326315 = 1.392 BTC [-] {3}

17:18:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13084 @ 0.00079918 = 10.4565 BTC [-]

17:20:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07689999 = 0.3076 BTC [+] {2}

17:29:03 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJifZLjipxo

17:29:03 ozbot: Pussy Pussy Marijuana Verse - YouTube

17:30:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00572 = 0.1144 BTC [-]

17:33:36 benkay: .bait

17:33:38 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/25554fcb3c82a37a564f2379a63d652a/tumblr_mtwi01x1Gd1rfz6a4o1_1280.jpg

17:34:17 nubbins`: bait should start sourcing from naked-yoga

17:43:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0424765 = 0.8495 BTC [+] {2}

17:46:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00080225 = 7.6214 BTC [+]

17:48:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.07325 = 0.879 BTC [-] {3}

17:49:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0769 = 0.3845 BTC [+]

17:49:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.04249999 = 0.765 BTC [+]

17:49:23 asciilifeform: from the circus:

17:49:23 asciilifeform: http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/10/ukraine-the-sovereignty-argument-and-the-real-problem-of-fascism

17:49:24 ozbot: Ukraine: The Sovereignty Argument, and the Real Problem of Fascism » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts,

17:51:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12418 @ 0.00080069 = 9.943 BTC [-]

17:55:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 65 @ 0.00220032 = 0.143 BTC [-] {8}

17:56:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.01729509 = 0.2248 BTC [-] {6}

17:57:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.01600797 = 0.2721 BTC [-] {3}

17:59:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.03810001 = 0.381 BTC [-] {3}

18:00:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00079866 = 45.1243 BTC [-] {6}

18:01:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 39 @ 0.0037691 = 0.147 BTC [-] {7}

18:02:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 40 @ 0.00365188 = 0.1461 BTC [-] {7}

18:05:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585501 BTC [-]

18:06:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059338 = 0.5934 BTC [+]

18:06:40 blackwhite: is there some data source to get the trading volume, price etc?

18:07:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04289993 = 0.429 BTC [+] {3}

18:08:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04314428 = 0.4314 BTC [+] {3}

18:09:11 mike_c: !t h rent

18:09:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600100 / 0.00623437 / 0.00647960 (373 shares, 2.32542147 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.00560099 / 0.00900001 (28538 shares, 159.84093509 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.00555348 / 0.00900001 (53890 shares, 299.27693509 BTC)

18:09:29 mike_c: i don't know about etc, but there is price and trading volume

18:09:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0438 = 0.438 BTC [+] {5}

18:10:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07698998 = 0.8469 BTC [+]

18:10:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04466666 = 0.402 BTC [+] {4}

18:11:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.045 = 0.945 BTC [+] {3}

18:14:15 mjr_: whats up everybody

18:14:47 mjr_: I am trying to work out details to come to lovely timisoara

18:15:28 blackwhite: mike_c like this http://www.coinometrics.com/bitcoin/btix?utm_content=bufferfd226

18:16:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.073 = 1.168 BTC [-]

18:17:25 mike_c: blackwhite: for stocks? mpex stocks here: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ havelock here: http://coinflow.co/chart/HAVELOCK/RENT

18:18:43 blackwhite: so I want the actual data source (for my own visualization)

18:19:09 mike_c: mpex here: http://bitcoin-assets.com/mpex-socket/

18:19:27 mike_c: and that's it, the link store is closed.

18:21:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059338 = 0.5934 BTC [-]

18:22:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27124 @ 0.00079978 = 21.6932 BTC [+]

18:24:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.5855 = 4.0985 BTC [-] {3}

18:33:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07698998 = 0.9239 BTC [+]

18:35:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8359 @ 0.00079828 = 6.6728 BTC [-]

18:39:46 benkay: mircea_popescu: your footnotes make for inconsistent line heights

18:41:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00080225 = 8.4236 BTC [+]

18:42:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0769 = 0.1538 BTC [-]

18:48:53 mike_c: i need a quick little pile of atc. can anybody sell me 1k atc @ 200 satoshis per?

18:59:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00379799 = 0.3798 BTC [-] {3}

19:02:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21839 @ 0.00079762 = 17.4192 BTC [-] {3}

19:05:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0058 = 0.1972 BTC [+]

19:07:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.00638286 = 0.1723 BTC [-] {2}

19:17:30 thestringpuller: ;;ud trapstar

19:17:31 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapstar | trap star. one that is good at drug dealing, or someone that makes alot of money from drug dealing. See Trapper. Dat niggas sold so much weight this year, hes a  ...

19:17:31 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: trapstar

19:17:40 thestringpuller: ;;ud trapping

19:17:40 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapping | to set up on the corner and sell dope. man im bout to go to the trap and make some cheese. by monolog May 06, 2003. 1207 191. Mugs & shirts Buy “trapping”  ...

19:17:41 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: trapping

19:17:52 thestringpuller: ;;ud trap star

19:17:52 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapstar | trap star. one that is good at drug dealing, or someone that makes alot of money from drug dealing. See Trapper. Dat niggas sold so much weight this year, hes a  ...

19:17:52 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: trapstar

19:18:01 thestringpuller: ;;ud trapper

19:18:02 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapper | drug dealer, mainly this word is used in the south. that nigga is a straight trapper fo life. by Auguste October 17, 2005. 538 56. Mugs & shirts Buy “trapper” mugs ...

19:18:02 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: trapper

19:18:28 thestringpuller: ;;ud trap

19:18:29 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trap | The area where drug deals are carried out. The dope boy is in the trap tonight. by Shipp December 03, 2003. 4691 1533. Mugs & shirts Buy “Trap” mugs & shirts ...

19:18:29 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: trap

19:18:40 benkay: thestringpuller: you know gribble responds in private chat, right?

19:18:48 ThickAsThieves: bet you didn't know it's derived from

19:18:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0063834 = 0.1277 BTC [+]

19:18:51 ThickAsThieves: ;;crab trap

19:18:51 gribble: Error: "crab" is not a valid command.

19:18:57 ThickAsThieves: ;;ud crab trap

19:18:58 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crab%20trap | When the recipient of anal sex squeezes his or her sphincter trapping the giver's penis so he cannot pull out easily.

19:18:59 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: crab trap

19:19:04 ThickAsThieves: no not that

19:19:06 ThickAsThieves: hehe

19:19:20 ThickAsThieves: they used to call it a crab trap

19:19:27 ThickAsThieves: which became trapping

19:19:42 ThickAsThieves: cuz they all stuck in the pot

19:19:49 ThickAsThieves: and got a crab mentality

19:19:51 ThickAsThieves: etc

19:20:50 mike_c: hm, what is a crab mentality?

19:21:17 benkay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

19:21:18 ozbot: Crab mentality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

19:21:32 benkay: related to:

19:21:34 benkay:

19:21:34 benkay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

19:21:34 ozbot: Law of Jante - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

19:21:38 ThickAsThieves: well to think like a base animal

19:21:50 ThickAsThieves: like the trap is the whole world

19:21:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46721 @ 0.00079947 = 37.352 BTC [+] {3}

19:21:58 ThickAsThieves: fighting for the food

19:22:04 ThickAsThieves: tearing eachother up

19:22:06 ThickAsThieves: stuck

19:23:01 ThickAsThieves: wiki says it better

19:23:56 ThickAsThieves: of course like many things in that culture it transformed from an insult to a compliment

19:24:38 mike_c: sounds like bitcointalk

19:25:03 mike_c: or perhaps that is the reverse. they are all too willing to shove some stupid crab up into the spotlight.

19:25:17 ThickAsThieves: yeha not really similar

19:26:04 ThickAsThieves: the older hip hop heads still call it a crab trap though

19:26:07 mike_c: and mpoe-pr stands above smacking stupid crabs back into the pot.

19:26:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.0008004 = 31.4557 BTC [+] {3}

19:27:18 benkay: btctalk is more like "anyone can be a special fairy!"

19:27:38 benkay: it's more like "those doods launched an exchange and so can derp!"

19:27:46 mike_c: lol. special fairy.

19:27:56 ThickAsThieves: i cant come up with a choice analogy for btctalk, but I'd say Idiocracy is close

19:27:56 benkay: group delusions of competence

19:28:16 ThickAsThieves: trappers even prop up the concept of being ignornat

19:28:23 ThickAsThieves: ignorant

19:28:30 ThickAsThieves: it's like being tough or real

19:28:40 ThickAsThieves: fuckit i ignant

19:29:01 ThickAsThieves: acknowledging sometimes they just wanna let loose

19:29:04 ThickAsThieves: and be hood

19:29:27 ThickAsThieves: so many awesome cultural phenomenons on the hood

19:29:29 ThickAsThieves: in

19:30:58 benkay: you'll note that the successful hustlers like the jiggaman actually do take a certain amount of pride in their ability to do accounting and such: http://rapgenius.com/Jay-z-no-hook-lyrics#note-38838

19:31:04 dexX7: http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/screen-shot-2014-03-13-at-08-20-39.png leah is hiding and practising how to shoot to be ready for "the nice pre-puberty bitcoin community"

19:31:07 benkay: notably unlike the bitcoin "businesses"

19:31:26 benkay: who've yet to catch up to the drug dealers in terms of financials.

19:31:50 ThickAsThieves: black people always can find pride in what they arew

19:31:59 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a/YG9fT

19:31:59 ozbot: 56 Bitcoin Icons - Imgur

19:32:03 ThickAsThieves: i know that's a generalization

19:32:04 nubbins`: nice

19:32:31 ThickAsThieves: but in sense ive met many more "real" black people than white

19:33:14 nubbins`: wait, so she's giving up "journalism" and becoming a hunter?

19:33:16 nubbins`: ;(

19:34:08 ThickAsThieves: she's so stupid...

19:34:13 dexX7: in this case we'd at least don't hear any trash reports from her again

19:34:37 dexX7: but i don't believe she'll stop ;)

19:35:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76200 @ 0.00079546 = 60.6141 BTC [-] {4}

19:35:27 dexX7: http://i.imgur.com/h3y9VSe.jpg hehe

19:37:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.044475 = 0.3558 BTC [+] {2}

19:37:10 ThickAsThieves: she'll stop because she's a husk now

19:37:23 ThickAsThieves: no one wants her

19:37:31 ThickAsThieves: she'll need to go solo

19:37:40 ThickAsThieves: and be a sensationalist blogger

19:38:19 benkay: is she married?

19:38:34 ThickAsThieves: i'd bet no

19:38:36 dexX7: ^

19:38:41 ThickAsThieves: her staying with a gf and all

19:39:05 ThickAsThieves: she's obv the type to blame things on everyone else

19:39:08 Apocalyptic: ^

19:39:20 ThickAsThieves: i imagine her personality to be much like Lena Dunham's character on Girls

19:39:37 benkay: it's never to late to snag one, i guess.

19:39:37 ThickAsThieves: hopelessly lost in self importance

19:40:03 ThickAsThieves: i guarantee she can't cook either

19:40:10 benkay: f that

19:40:35 benkay: while making dinner with a babe is a wonderful, potentially very sexy experience, i expect dishes on the dinner table.

19:40:53 thestringpuller: You know the characters on Girls are pretty much spot one with the youth of today. It's really sad. Fucking American young people suck.

19:41:10 thestringpuller: "I hate doing actual work I just want experiences and want to be free and feel fulfilled without any effort.:

19:41:17 Apocalyptic: not only American thestringpuller

19:41:18 thestringpuller: It's like fuck off and die already.

19:41:43 dexX7: sounds like you're 60+

19:41:47 dexX7: jk :)

19:42:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [+]

19:42:48 thestringpuller: I'm 26 and feel like I'm going on 60

19:43:00 thestringpuller: fucking 22 year olds I hire can't do shit

19:43:09 thestringpuller: 15 year olds are better at hustling

19:43:17 thestringpuller: 15 year olds from the hood*

19:43:30 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what were they hired to do?

19:43:39 dexX7: what kind of business do you run? :D

19:43:55 dexX7: tree farms?

19:44:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04446666 = 0.2668 BTC [-] {2}

19:45:30 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: hired one person to be an Executive Assistant. Siri was better at his job than him...so we let him go.

19:45:51 thestringpuller: hired an engineer who didn't know what a for loop was

19:46:01 thestringpuller: literally didn't know what a for loop was; you can't make this shit up

19:46:06 thestringpuller: college grad with CS degree and all

19:46:58 asciilifeform: graduate of Spam U ?

19:47:13 thestringpuller: Essentially. Cept not the online kind.

19:47:23 thestringpuller: Local community Spam U

19:50:22 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/2kg29Ts

19:50:22 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

19:50:52 asciilifeform: usg steals a few irc botnets.

19:50:57 asciilifeform: laugh/cry

19:51:27 benkay: what is this "quantum" referencing?

19:51:48 asciilifeform: name for a particular malware-production group at nsa

19:52:14 asciilifeform: no actual quanta harmed.

19:55:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3238 @ 0.00080013 = 2.5908 BTC [+]

19:56:00 dub: was the spearfishing/mitm/injection atttack called quantum too?

19:56:19 dub: s/f/ph

19:57:03 dub: ie, the delivery

19:58:02 HowardF: lol

19:58:23 dub: helps to click links I guess

19:59:12 Apocalyptic: thestringpuller, you get what you pay for I guess

19:59:55 thestringpuller: Apocalyptic: if that were the case I would pay everyone under minimum wage until they stop complaining about not being able to do their job

20:00:09 Apocalyptic: sounds fair

20:01:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 197 @ 0.0008546 = 0.1684 BTC [-]

20:02:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 281 @ 0.0008546 = 0.2401 BTC [-]

20:13:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2730 @ 0.00015195 = 0.4148 BTC [+] {4}

20:13:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04300066 = 0.129 BTC [-] {3}

20:14:52 asciilifeform: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor

20:14:53 ozbot: Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working

20:19:08 dexX7: i'd be interested in something that could log any usage ofthis backdoor

20:19:22 nubbins`: https://blockchain.info/wallet/how-to-get-bitcoins

20:19:25 ozbot: How to Get Bitcoins - 3 Step Guide

20:19:25 nubbins`: "alternative methods"

20:19:38 nubbins`: i wonder what planet the person who did that rendering is from

20:19:46 nubbins`: and if they ever stacked blocks as a child

20:20:08 dexX7: :D

20:20:37 asciilifeform: photos of casascius coins in unrelated context seems to be a good heuristic for scammitude.

20:20:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.04458762 = 1.4714 BTC [+] {5}

20:20:54 nubbins`: heh

20:21:15 nubbins`: those aren't casascius coins, just an impossibly unbalanced stack that someone did up in Blender or something

20:21:22 dexX7: the context is "offline"

20:21:36 nubbins`: seriously, look at the stack on the right

20:21:49 nubbins`: i fuckin DARE ya to stack seven coins like that.

20:22:06 asciilifeform: imagine if every media piece on, say, 400 horsepower mercedes benz, had to include a picture of... that many actual horses

20:22:12 nubbins`: hahah

20:22:15 ughlol: mircea_popescu: mind if I pm?

20:22:17 nubbins`: that would be great

20:24:55 ughlol: lol

20:25:12 ThickAsThieves: i see bitstamp isnt invited to the blockchain.info hot to buy page

20:25:15 ThickAsThieves: nor coinbase

20:25:33 ThickAsThieves: such good friends they all were to kick gox's corpse tho

20:25:54 ThickAsThieves: how to buy*

20:27:22 benkay: how to butt

20:27:23 benkay: bitcoin-central doesn't seem to be on that list either

20:27:31 ThickAsThieves: indeed

20:29:00 dexX7: ThickAsThieves: only one per region: us, gb, eu, au, sg

20:29:21 dexX7: at least that's what is shown, if you log into a blockchain.info wallet

20:29:37 ThickAsThieves: i see that casascius sells blanks, but do people sell sticker printing kits?

20:43:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00080246 = 25.5985 BTC [+]

20:43:45 ughlol: Im trying to create a rape intervention service in India

20:43:50 ughlol: and looking for investment for the same

20:43:54 ughlol: anybody interested?

20:44:08 ThickAsThieves: a social media rape service?

20:44:14 ThickAsThieves: sounds fishy

20:44:22 ughlol: rape intervention

20:44:28 ughlol: social network with such a feature

20:44:36 ughlol: but rape prevention/intervention is the USP

20:44:42 Azelphur: how would that work? O.o

20:44:45 HowardF: how would such a thing make profit?

20:45:16 benkay: nubbins` yeah lol what is even center of gravity?

20:45:40 ughlol: Azelphur: Imagine you're a girl, if you feel you'll be raped, all you'd need to do is press an SOS button and your location will be relayed to the nearest PD and the friends who are within a few km's radius and your family.

20:45:47 ughlol: HowardF: Ads, etc..

20:46:11 Azelphur: so this is a hardware device?

20:46:18 ughlol: no

20:46:20 ughlol: a software

20:46:24 benkay: apps!

20:46:28 benkay: apps for everyone and everything!

20:46:31 ughlol: Android app that takes advantage of location services

20:46:36 ughlol: benkay: precisely

20:46:37 Azelphur: I see

20:46:47 ughlol: "A seven-year-old-girl was raped on a train traveling through the Indian state of Chhattisgarh, and discarded near a market in Bilaspur City. The rape is believed to have taken place sometime between Friday night, August 9 and Saturday morning, August 10. The perpetrator had forced his way in while the child went to use the toilet, and thrust an Indian 10-rupee note in her hand when he was done."

20:46:47 Azelphur: and yea, where's the profit?

20:46:58 ughlol: I feel pathetic about the condition of girls in my country (India)

20:47:09 ughlol: and how they have no freedom due to some pathetic people (rapists)

20:47:33 ughlol: Azelphur: profit is through ads in the app, and also sponsorship from govt etc.

20:47:43 ughlol: This would be the USP for my app

20:47:49 HowardF: i like the idea, but see any kind of profit unlikely. however asking for donations rather than investments may get you somewhere...

20:47:49 ughlol: USP == Unique Selling Proposition

20:47:56 Azelphur: ads in the app...that sounds like a ridiculously terrible idea for something like this

20:48:30 ughlol: Azelphur: It will be a social networking application that revolves around location services and the rape intervention will be a major feature of the app.

20:48:30 HowardF: agreed. last thing someone about to get raped needs to see is an ad for condoms..

20:48:46 ughlol: Social networks can earn tons of revenue from ads.

20:49:00 ughlol: FlappyBird made around 50,000USD per day from ads

20:49:01 Azelphur: heh

20:49:04 TomServo: How would this work in the train rape scenario you quoted?

20:49:07 ughlol: I think a social network can make similar amounts

20:49:15 Azelphur: ughlol: yes, but flappy bird was an app people repeatedly use, your app isn't, it's one time use

20:49:30 HowardF: ( having written and worked for several very large social networks by the way, let me assure you, ads don't make as much as you think )

20:49:33 ughlol: TomServo: I was thinking of having people register as helpers. People that have reputation, whose identity we can verify.

20:49:45 ughlol: these 'helpers' can help in such emergencies

20:49:47 TomServo: Right.. but the location?

20:49:56 ughlol: HowardF: oh, then I am mistaken.

20:50:21 punkman: ughlol, you need DRONES

20:50:27 ughlol: TomServo: the location would be inaccurate, but it is possible to send an sos message to nearby people based on last seen location etc.

20:50:36 HowardF: i still think there are places and countries where this wouldn't be a bad idea though. india, but also large areas of africa, etc.

20:50:39 ughlol: punkman: haha, i doubt i can afford drones. Cant afford a 2nd hand server.

20:50:40 ughlol: lol

20:50:55 ughlol: HowardF: thank you for the support sir, that means a lot.

20:50:58 Azelphur: yea, I like the idea, there's lots of things that could be done (alarm, contract nearby, just like he says)

20:51:03 Azelphur: but, there's no profit in i

20:51:03 Azelphur: t

20:51:10 ThickAsThieves: ughlol

20:51:14 ThickAsThieves: your idea is horrible

20:51:16 ThickAsThieves: scrap it

20:51:18 ughlol: India is my prime target. I've seen a video that literally made me tear. I would link you, but it is in Hindi..

20:51:26 ThickAsThieves: try again

20:51:44 ughlol: Azelphur: I believe profit can be integrated. If not ads, there are probably other ways.

20:51:45 HowardF: looking for profit while writting this is the wrong idea though. look for donations / goverment / non-profit support instead

20:51:49 ughlol: ThickAsThieves: really? You think so?

20:51:53 ThickAsThieves: also dont go calling things social media (or any other trendy word) just to get attention

20:51:57 Azelphur: HowardF++

20:52:01 ThickAsThieves: it has the opposite reaction

20:52:06 ughlol: HowardF: I agree.

20:52:06 ThickAsThieves: yes

20:52:14 ughlol: ThickAsThieves: You think Im trying to get attention?

20:52:16 ThickAsThieves: you dont advertise to possible rape victims

20:52:20 benkay: ughlol: you're making the mistake of looking at a random event as a reproducible event.

20:52:31 ThickAsThieves: and an app is not social media

20:52:41 ughlol: ThickAsThieves: http://www.satyamevjayate.in/Fighting-Rape/EPISODE-1watchvideo.aspx?uid=E1-EV-V1&lang=hindi

20:52:43 benkay: all app successes are accidents of timing and positioning.

20:53:01 ughlol: Watch it with a translator and then tell me Im trying to seek just attention and scam away some bitcoins.

20:53:12 ThickAsThieves: firstly

20:53:15 ThickAsThieves: you said scam

20:53:16 ThickAsThieves: not me

20:53:23 ughlol: benkay: A rape happens every 18 hours in India's capital city.

20:53:34 ughlol: ThickAsThieves: think what you may.

20:53:43 benkay: ughlol: you fail to make a point.

20:53:44 ThickAsThieves: second, nevermin

20:53:45 ThickAsThieves: d

20:53:59 ThickAsThieves: this deserves no more attention

20:54:00 Azelphur: ughlol: there also seems to be apps that already do most of what you're suggesting

20:54:04 HowardF: in south africa rapes happen every few minutes... there are places where this kind of app could definately be take seriously.

20:54:05 ughlol: benkay: you meant that rape is a radom event?

20:54:24 ughlol: There is currently NO rape intervention/prevention app in the market.

20:54:26 Azelphur: HowardF: agree with you :)

20:54:34 Azelphur: ughlol: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nebulastudios.meagainstrape what's this then?

20:54:41 ughlol: Yes, you're right HowardF

20:54:47 benkay: no i mean that you can't use flappy bird as an example of how much money you'll make, ughlol.

20:54:54 ughlol: oh

20:54:55 ughlol: i see

20:54:56 ughlol: sorry

20:54:58 benkay: it's not going to prevent rapes.

20:55:04 Azelphur: yea, the flappy bird thing was pretty crazy xD

20:55:05 benkay: rapist smacks phone out of girls hand.

20:55:10 benkay: continues to rape.

20:55:14 benkay: your app has failed.

20:55:15 benkay: NEXT.

20:55:28 HowardF: benkay, even if it succeded in calling out for help / support after the fact, it could be useful

20:55:31 Azelphur: yea, that's why I think an alarm would be better, that at least gets the attention of people around you

20:55:34 ughlol: Azelphur: doesn't create an SOS signal with current location using GPS.

20:55:38 Azelphur: an alarm MIGHT have prevented the train one, for example

20:55:50 benkay: or not letting your girl go to the bathroom unattended in fucking india

20:55:56 benkay: this is a human problem, not a technological one.

20:56:03 ughlol: benkay: it may fail. but it will help many.

20:56:13 ughlol: even if it helps 1 person, it succeeds.

20:56:18 benkay: and how will it make money? because that's basically all we care about in here.

20:56:24 ughlol: technology is moving towards changing peoples lives.

20:56:26 benkay: ads are out.

20:56:32 Azelphur: benkay: I think we already established that it won't

20:56:52 ughlol: HowardF: based on your experience, is there no way for an app like this to make money?

20:57:02 ughlol: Maybe not in the millions, but at least a break-even?

20:57:22 HowardF: difficult at best. asking for money to install the app would be insulting. ads would be insulting.

20:57:40 Azelphur: HowardF: my thought with ads was one that it's single use, and 2 accidental clicking lol

20:57:40 ughlol: Ads might not be insulting. After all, its a great service for free..

20:57:41 joecool: <benkay> or not letting your girl go to the bathroom unattended in fucking india < why go to india in the first place

20:57:51 joecool: could go just about *anywhere* else better in the world

20:57:52 HowardF: donations / non-profit status is the only path i could see, but done correctly, that could certianly be a viable option

20:57:57 ughlol: and they can understand that to develop and maintain something like this, we require som emoney.

20:58:42 ughlol: Azelphur: clicking the SOS button can't be accidental.. will implement a simple code or pattern or something so that it cant be pressed accidentally.

20:58:58 ughlol: HowardF: any idea who might be interested to donate to something like this?

20:59:05 Azelphur: ughlol: getting more useless, also re-read what I said, that's not what I suggested.

20:59:16 HowardF: trust me, ads ALWAYS insult people... even on facebook they still get crap for showing ads.

20:59:22 ughlol: oh

20:59:23 Azelphur: I was talking about accidentally clicking an advert during a crisis situation

20:59:24 ughlol: ok

20:59:33 ughlol: ah, i see Azelphur

20:59:38 Azelphur: and if you're having codes and patterns...yea that's so not gonna work

21:00:05 HowardF: i would look for / seek out help from organizations that already deal with rape and rape victims. there are lots, and they would be a good place to start

21:00:15 Azelphur: tl;dr what you want is a rape whistle, it's better than anything you've mentioned

21:00:21 HowardF: some larger ones may well be willing to sponsor or provide a grant.

21:00:31 Azelphur: 1) cheaper, 2) more widely available, 3) has a much higher chance of success

21:00:58 ughlol: Azelphur: Little girls scream for help, and nobody cares. Nobody wants to interfere.

21:01:04 ughlol: This isn't America.

21:01:07 ughlol: Nobody wants to be the hero.

21:01:14 Azelphur: ah, that's shitty

21:01:14 HowardF: also, no reason you couldn't combine a rape whistle function / ping for help in one button press

21:01:16 ughlol: This is India.

21:01:23 Azelphur: but yea, GPS is too far man, that won't work

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21:01:32 ughlol: Why so?

21:01:36 ughlol: I think GPS should do the trick.

21:01:42 ughlol: It should give a very accurate location.

21:01:48 Azelphur: best case scenario to get to the destination is 10 minutes I'd say, even if it was just around the corner

21:01:58 Azelphur: by then the attacker is probably done and gone

21:01:58 benkay: .bait

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21:02:09 benkay: mm wow

21:02:10 benkay: .bait

21:02:12 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6h4x0MKBB1qag73to1_1280.jpg

21:02:16 HowardF: based on the assumption someone is being raped / hurt, i imagine it only has to be accurate enough to get within earshot of someone screaming

21:02:26 ughlol: ^

21:02:27 ughlol: true

21:02:35 benkay: what if they're on a train?

21:02:41 Azelphur: ^ that too

21:02:43 benkay: fat load of use this thing will be.

21:02:46 jcpham: train rape

21:02:49 ughlol: benkay: pls scroll up, we discussed that a bit..

21:02:49 benkay: fat load of use this thing will be anyways.

21:02:55 ughlol: yeah

21:02:55 HowardF: and again, even if it can't stop a rape, it could at least call out for first responders / medical help

21:02:59 ughlol: its better than doing nothing

21:03:05 ughlol: and just bitching about every idea that exists

21:03:12 Azelphur: HowardF: yea that was my thinking, it'd be good for after care

21:03:15 ughlol: thinking that it can't help 100% of the rape victims

21:03:16 Azelphur: but that's about all it'd be good for

21:03:17 benkay: nope, shooting down shitty ideas makes the world a better place.

21:03:26 ughlol: To me, even if it helps 1%, its a success.

21:03:41 benkay: to you, just talking about it makes you feel like you're doing something to help

21:03:54 ughlol: i want to make it.

21:03:57 Azelphur: ughlol: that's the thing, I can't even think of any situation where this app would work, at all

21:03:57 ughlol: Not just talk about it.

21:04:01 benkay: so go make it and quit bullshitting.

21:04:03 Azelphur: then go make it, you don't need money

21:04:05 benkay: prove me wrong.

21:04:20 benkay: you don't need money to change the world, just passion and drive, right guys?

21:04:29 ughlol: benkay: do you have a twitter profile?

21:04:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31050 @ 0.00080252 = 24.9182 BTC [+] {2}

21:04:33 ughlol: I'll prove you wrong.

21:04:40 ughlol: benkay: you're wrong.

21:04:46 benkay: less talk, more do.

21:04:49 benkay: go.

21:04:51 ughlol: resources count as well. not just passion and drive.

21:04:55 HowardF: also, if you actually look at rape statistics, its rarely a quick thing, and often theres a period of lead up before the actual rape, so its usefulness may be greater than you guys think...

21:05:07 joecool: wat

21:05:10 benkay: what about a fucking whistle?

21:05:20 ughlol: Thank you HowardF.

21:05:27 benkay: what about martial arts training?

21:05:40 benkay: those are things that i'll buy might have a shot at changing a rape event's outcome

21:05:41 HowardF: your missing the point benkay. everybody already carries a phone. no need to change existing habits

21:06:18 benkay: no, you're missing the point. this app on a phone isn't changing anything.

21:06:24 Azelphur: ughlol: dowhat...I built fuckloads of shit

21:06:35 Azelphur: I started on $20 and a computer I built from shit in a skip

21:06:46 Azelphur: so don't start crap about you need capital, you're in the wrong place for that ;)

21:07:01 ughlol: I doubt Azelphur.

21:07:14 Azelphur: really?

21:07:19 ughlol: Yes, really.

21:07:23 Azelphur: ...ok then

21:07:27 ughlol: I myself am a developer and security consultant.

21:07:36 benkay: famous in india, we hear!

21:07:46 ughlol: not exactly, but kinda

21:07:46 ughlol: lol

21:07:53 HowardF: i would say working on a prototype before asking anyone for an investment is top priority though. money for ideas doesn't happen without something to back it up

21:08:02 benkay: so go hire some $10/hr indian android devs for 2 months of work

21:08:09 benkay: ;;calc 10*80*8

21:08:09 gribble: 6400

21:08:10 ughlol: I agree. I'm currently working on the prototype.

21:08:14 benkay: shouldn't cost you more than seven grand.

21:08:23 Azelphur: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/Photos/From%20Google/DCFN0033.JPG observe, shit from a skip :)

21:08:37 HowardF: if you know java, it shouldn't cost you anything but time

21:08:38 Azelphur: note the CRT monitors with tube burnout, laptop with a piece of string supporting the screen, and TV with smashed in buttons.

21:08:55 Azelphur: those were the days folks, those were the days.

21:09:00 ughlol: Yeah, 7000usd = 4,28,190INR. And thats more than 4months of my fathers salary.

21:09:13 ughlol: benkay: ^

21:09:32 ughlol: Azelphur: wow. That does look nice :)

21:09:47 Azelphur: ughlol: that was to disprove the whole you can't start from $20 and skill argument.

21:10:27 Azelphur: here's what I have now, just to contrast. http://i.imgur.com/YOuK4UK.jpg :)

21:11:12 ughlol: $20 cant even buy me a second had server capable enough to handle location services etc.

21:11:22 ughlol: (assuming i coded the app on my own)

21:11:31 ughlol: these things require some amount of investment

21:11:34 Azelphur: ughlol: no, but it can pay for like 4 months of VPS service, which is what I did.

21:11:59 ughlol: but yes, I wont argue anymore considering that there is no profit in the idea.

21:12:03 Azelphur: I had to go to the host and specifically request a 32MB VPS, they didn't sell them, and the host actually told me I was crazy and that I couldn't even get the OS to run in that. But I did, and everything else I needed :)

21:12:39 Azelphur: I probably still have the chat logs from that somewhere, haha

21:12:49 ThickAsThieves: does india not have a polic emergency line?

21:12:50 ughlol: You can get a VPS for 4months for $20?

21:12:55 ughlol: ThickAsThieves: no

21:13:02 Azelphur: ughlol: hell yes, even less now man, this was 10 years ago

21:13:08 Azelphur: now you can get like 512MB for $2, it's awesome

21:13:14 ThickAsThieves: so what happens when rapee uses your app

21:13:16 ughlol: police actually lockup the victim, and also rape her a couple of times.. thats the reality in inda

21:13:17 ThickAsThieves: who comes running?

21:13:27 ughlol: or they tell the victim to compromise and drop the case

21:13:47 ughlol: ThickAsThieves: family, nearby friends and nearby 'helpers'

21:14:07 ThickAsThieves: so it's like a digital rape whistle

21:14:07 Azelphur: ughlol: https://bluevm.com/ $2.50/mo, for example

21:14:10 ughlol: Azelphur: link me? I'll buy it right now..?

21:14:11 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The biggest obstacle I'd face putting together a book, especially a BTC one would be getting lines and bettors on those lines such that I could make vig intsead of propping up the otherside of every line.

21:14:20 ughlol: ThickAsThieves: yes, and more effective (imho)

21:14:33 Azelphur: there's another host that is even cheaper, I just can't remember its name off the top of my head

21:14:50 HowardF: actually that again brings up the point of support rather than prevention. it could also summon a human rights / free lawyer to prevent indias corrupt police from harrasing victims

21:14:51 Azelphur: actually, here it is, http://buyvm.net/ $15 / year

21:14:53 ThickAsThieves: the app would be so easy to replicate

21:14:57 ThickAsThieves: i dont see how it can make money

21:15:05 Azelphur: HowardF: now that's a good idea

21:15:15 ughlol: Whatsapp isn't difficult to replicate.

21:15:20 Azelphur: although again, it's all unprofitable

21:15:32 ughlol: There are so many services like whatsapp.

21:15:34 ThickAsThieves: whatsapp had value cuz user data

21:15:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Legality wise I'm sure I could just say the book is part of the "Enhanced Reality game Bitcoin" like Micon does

21:15:43 ThickAsThieves: surely you dont intend to sell user data

21:15:44 Azelphur: ughlol: see what I'm saying? Starting up on $20 isn't hard ;)

21:15:46 Azelphur: just gotta be smart.

21:15:55 Azelphur: heck, you could startup on $0

21:16:06 ughlol: HowardF: yes, thats another great idea. Wow. I love discussing this here! :D The lawyer idea.. amazing. Thanks. *Noted*

21:16:06 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

21:16:08 HowardF: profit with this app is pretty much out. but non-profit support isn't

21:16:36 ThickAsThieves: yes you might be able to get a DV shelter to get a grant for it

21:16:40 HowardF: i think you're just in the wrong room to discuss this particular project

21:16:41 Azelphur: I tend to aim at $0 initial when I'm making new things

21:16:43 Azelphur: but I'm crazy. xD

21:17:04 ughlol: How about asking rape victims to donate after they get saved due to the app.. just to help other future rape victims?

21:17:08 ughlol: Would that also be insulting?

21:17:10 ThickAsThieves: well the problem is that's how he started

21:17:16 ThickAsThieves: who has money for me?!

21:17:19 ughlol: Not highly profitable, but we can make the break-even.

21:17:21 ThickAsThieves: social media!

21:17:33 Azelphur: ughlol: nope, this idea is a nonprofit

21:17:34 HowardF: not as insulting, no, but probably also not anywhere near enough to make it worth while.

21:17:42 ughlol: ah

21:17:54 ughlol: ah well

21:18:03 ughlol: some friends sent me here from bitcoin-otc..

21:18:11 ThickAsThieves: you could make the app and charge DV shelters to implement custom localized versions

21:18:12 ughlol: sorry to waste all your time guys

21:18:27 Azelphur: ughlol: doesn't seem like a waste, you got some ideas, and you have more of an idea of what you can/can't do now

21:18:40 ughlol: Yes, thats true..

21:18:49 ThickAsThieves: you may even make a living of it yourself

21:18:55 ThickAsThieves: but it's not an investment opportunity

21:19:00 Azelphur: hopefully you can make a nonprofit app that does the things we mentioned, like sending out a humanitarian lawyer and someone to help

21:19:00 ThickAsThieves: off*

21:19:07 Azelphur: at the very least you can help some people after the fact, I'd think

21:19:11 ughlol: haha, I wish to make an investment from my social network and leave the USP to actually help rape victims.

21:19:23 ughlol: Azelphur: definitely

21:19:27 ughlol: I will do that..

21:19:31 HowardF: indeed... just a few tweaks and i actually think you have a workable idea.

21:19:53 Azelphur: ughlol: good luck, keep your code lightweight and you can run it on a 128MB buyvm server no problem

21:19:58 HowardF: focus more on support than prevention (though you can definately do both), and focus on grants from non-profits

21:20:26 ughlol: Thats great! :) Thanks guys.. will do. Saved this chat for reference and to remember the suggestions.

21:21:17 ughlol: I'll come back on this chan when I have the app ready and runny, and then make fun of benkay! (Just kidding).

21:21:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30736 @ 0.00080103 = 24.6205 BTC [-] {3}

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21:41:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21451 @ 0.00080142 = 17.1913 BTC [-]

21:51:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04535987 = 0.4536 BTC [+] {7}

21:56:02 benkay: did we rid -assets of the rapist?

21:57:31 benkay: BingoBoingo: can't you use Bitbet to hold the line?

21:57:47 benkay: hold/build/whatever the appropriate terminology is

21:58:41 BingoBoingo: benkay: Well, hedging on Bitbet would require sufficient betting interest in the event to make the event worthwhile to BitBet, and BitBet is showing sports betting with BTC isn't that big of a Market

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22:00:35 mike_c: bitbet is showing that parimutuel sports betting isn't that big yet..

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22:01:04 ThickAsThieves: 'Mr. Pierce said GoCoin’s analysis of the dogecoin community revealed a demographic very different from bitcoin’s, including many more women and less-tech-oriented users. He believes this in part stems from dogecoin’s logo'

22:01:43 ThickAsThieves: (WSJ)

22:03:25 BingoBoingo: mike_c: It seems more likely that BTC denominated sports betting is shrinking in terms of BTC bet

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22:05:40 benkay: "Its very bad news why are you going to do this I am very upset need to rethink about this"

22:06:45 BingoBoingo: So far their winddown doesn't seem scammy. I managed to get my coins out. It's also likely that running the thing just was too much of a hassle. Then again, it could get really scammy.

22:07:14 benkay: best way to not lose btc is to not do anything with 'em

22:07:20 BingoBoingo: Pretty much.

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22:08:44 ozbot: Benchmark Backs Bitcoin Secure Storage Provider Xapo - Bloomberg

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22:11:47 benkay: yeah that's interesting

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22:11:56 benkay: one of the funds that got hammered is behind that

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22:17:18 twizt: pankkake: someone pretending to be you PMing me

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22:17:24 twizt: lol

22:18:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00080315 = 4.4976 BTC [+]

22:19:46 benkay: what's the scam, twizt?

22:20:24 twizt: trying to trade ltc for btc

22:20:50 twizt: i told him i only trade penis coin for vagina coin LOL

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22:22:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55722 @ 0.00080058 = 44.6099 BTC [-] {2}

22:24:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2809 @ 0.00080315 = 2.256 BTC [+]

22:26:04 Neil: This MH370 thing is like a real-time slapstick farce.

22:28:22 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2014#558654

22:28:25 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

22:28:30 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: the privkeys are just printed on regular paper

22:28:35 nubbins`: upon which the sticker is laid

22:29:18 nubbins`: http://bitcoinexaminer.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/20130803_135932.jpg

22:29:32 benkay: gimme the lulz, Neil

22:30:13 benkay: it's kinda lolarious these vehicles aren't in touch with controllers at all time via satellite

22:30:36 benkay: unless of course i'm as usual missing an important part of the situation

22:34:02 asciilifeform: benkay: the funniest bit is that there is a real-time sat link - including remote control.

22:34:25 asciilifeform: this was introduced in a hurry after '9/11' and vanished from the media as quickly as it appeared.

22:34:57 ThickAsThieves: nubbins` do the blanks come with stickers?

22:36:18 asciilifeform: has anyone offered a prize for snarfing the key from an intact coin?

22:36:32 asciilifeform: i'm reasonably certain that it is possible to do so, but have no wish to steal from anyone.

22:38:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

22:38:47 ThickAsThieves: it's been done at hacker conferences and/or in a blog post I believe

22:39:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00080331 = 8.3946 BTC [+] {2}

22:39:34 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: link?

22:40:16 asciilifeform: if i recall, the current state-of-the-art involves a careful removal and replacement of the hologram

22:42:09 ThickAsThieves: http://codinginmysleep.com/casascius-physical-bitcoins-cracked-at-defcon/

22:42:11 ozbot: Casascius Physical Bitcoins Cracked at Defcon - Coding In My Sleep - A Bitcoin Blog

22:42:28 nubbins`: old news ;D

22:42:35 nubbins`: apparently they left evidence of tampering

22:43:05 asciilifeform: not what i had in mind at all (if you want to know what, read the channel logs, no reason to repeat)

22:43:17 ThickAsThieves: i recall you talking on the topic before

22:43:36 ThickAsThieves: i'm not interested in them as a foolproof secure storage

22:43:48 ThickAsThieves: more a way for family member to store some

22:44:12 asciilifeform: i have very little interest in the subject of casascius in particular, but in general i like the idea of 'blowing' systems that make false promises of security.

22:44:18 ThickAsThieves: i trust my mom could keep a coin safe, a bitcoin however

22:44:44 benkay: safe + drives + paper backups

22:45:09 ThickAsThieves: + solvent ink vinyl backups

22:45:37 benkay: bwaat?

22:46:18 nubbins`: like business signs

22:46:26 nubbins`: i'm not sure if blanks come with paper

22:46:32 nubbins`: err sorry

22:46:34 nubbins`: they do come with stickers

22:46:50 ThickAsThieves: drives can corrupt, aqueous ink can dissolve, paper can disintegrate

22:47:03 ThickAsThieves: solvent ink can only be removed with solvent

22:47:20 ThickAsThieves: vinyl has different weaknesses than paper

22:47:24 nubbins`: aluminum strips and embossing tape

22:47:43 benkay: sometime this year i hope to have an etching process up

22:47:43 nubbins`: http://www.qsupplies.com/productcart/pc/catalog/EX113288.jpg

22:48:00 ThickAsThieves: not bad nubbins

22:48:11 asciilifeform: consider clay tablet.

22:48:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24430 @ 0.00080355 = 19.6307 BTC [+]

22:48:17 nubbins`: ooh that too

22:48:24 ThickAsThieves: does aluminum surive house fire?

22:48:28 nubbins`: doubt it

22:48:38 nubbins`: you can probably melt that tape with a bic

22:48:50 benkay: fast conduction tho

22:49:05 KRS1: alum melts easily

22:49:12 benkay: maybe instead of etching, i'll buy a small mill

22:49:25 nubbins`: <asciilifeform> has anyone offered a prize for snarfing the key from an intact coin? << not afaik. would have to be a hefty reward

22:49:47 nubbins`: since any failed attempt would mean the loss of not-insignificant value

22:50:24 ThickAsThieves: not sure who would fund such

22:50:34 asciilifeform: could offer prize specifically for reading the key without physically altering the coin.

22:50:56 asciilifeform: likewise it is not unreasonable to expect players to purchase their own test coin.

22:51:29 nubbins`: you can get brass coins for a premium of ~0.2btc

22:51:44 ThickAsThieves: loaded?

22:51:46 nubbins`: yeah

22:52:02 nubbins`: 2013 1btc brass ones fetch 1.15-1.3 on the forums and -otc

22:53:13 nubbins`: i've seen some sellers offer 2013 0.5btc brass for 0.69

22:53:19 nubbins`: but i wouldn't sell mine for that low

22:54:11 nubbins`: the silvers fetch a higher premium, you wouldn't see a 1btc silver sell for less than 2.0-2.1

23:02:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43394 @ 0.00080395 = 34.8866 BTC [+] {2}

23:13:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04594999 = 0.1838 BTC [-] {3}

23:15:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59763332 = 1.7929 BTC [+] {3}

23:16:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.603895 = 1.2078 BTC [+] {2}

23:21:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.604 = 1.812 BTC [+]

23:22:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [+]

23:24:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34388 @ 0.00080203 = 27.5802 BTC [-] {3}

23:27:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00354847 = 1.7742 BTC [-] {14}

23:34:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.605 = 2.42 BTC [+]

23:40:59 dexX7_: http://mark-karpeles.com/m.php wow

23:41:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.046 = 0.138 BTC [+]

23:43:59 dexX7_: gox trades and balances partly deanonymized with the help of the 2011 leak

23:46:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6899 @ 0.00014601 = 1.0073 BTC [-] {10}

23:48:45 ThickAsThieves: http://mark-karpeles.com/m.php?page=worst_traders