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00:10:01 shinohai: !s block explorer

00:10:01 assbot: 50 results for 'block explorer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=block+explorer

00:14:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.000522 = 2.2707 BTC [-]

00:24:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.000522 = 1.1484 BTC [-]

00:28:08 phf: i have block explorer code, i think last time i touched it i was working on getting all the various hashes link to the right places (previous transaction, addresses, etc.)

00:29:32 phf: but i don't have a complete blockchain, and since i'm not using any sql type stuff, i need to look into how much space various hashes take up when loaded into memory

00:33:53 phf: wintermute (btcbase machine) is unfit for the purpose, since i suspect digitalocean will kill it pretty fast

00:42:16 shinohai: i am running an abe but it isn't fully synced.

00:46:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.000522 = 1.4094 BTC [-]

00:48:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4641 @ 0.00052243 = 2.4246 BTC [+] {2}

00:50:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3356 @ 0.00052235 = 1.753 BTC [-] {2}

00:55:45 ben_vulpes: > wintermute

00:55:47 ben_vulpes: nice

01:04:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.000522 = 2.1402 BTC [-] {2}

01:21:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.0005273 = 1.2392 BTC [+] {3}

01:25:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3009 @ 0.00052604 = 1.5829 BTC [-]

01:33:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00052742 = 2.0042 BTC [+]

01:42:08 adlai: !s m s.mpoe

01:42:08 assbot: 305 results for 'm s.mpoe' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=m+s.mpoe

01:45:10 adlai: !t m s.mpoe

01:45:10 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.000522 / 0.00052466 / 0.00053022 (378077 shares, 198.36 BTC), 7D: 0.000522 / 0.00053213 / 0.00055717 (11371374 shares, 6,051.08 BTC), 30D: 0.000522 / 0.00056361 / 0.00059897 (81128833 shares, 45,725.61 BTC)

01:45:22 adlai: !s 30D S.MPOE

01:45:23 assbot: 236 results for '30D S.MPOE' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=30D+S.MPOE

01:57:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00052739 = 2.0041 BTC [-] {4}

02:08:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00052816 = 2.007 BTC [+]

02:35:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5508 @ 0.00052786 = 2.9075 BTC [+] {2}

02:52:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.000522 = 2.6622 BTC [-]

02:56:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.000522 = 8.2998 BTC [-]

03:10:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11577 @ 0.00052194 = 6.0425 BTC [-] {3}

03:27:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5757 @ 0.00052157 = 3.0027 BTC [-] {2}

03:29:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00052584 = 1.4461 BTC [+] {3}

03:34:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00052157 = 1.2778 BTC [-] {2}

03:43:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00052437 = 1.2061 BTC [+] {2}

04:04:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00052157 = 3.1294 BTC [-]

04:17:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00052157 = 2.2949 BTC [-]

04:20:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2495 @ 0.00052205 = 1.3025 BTC [+]

04:22:16 BingoNewsButt: http://qntra.net/2016/03/point-washington-thugs-testing-gm-mosquitos/

04:22:17 assbot: Point: Washington Thugs Testing GM Mosquitos | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/22adSKC )

04:22:28 BingoNewsButt: http://qntra.net/2016/03/counter-point-fuck-them-all-to-death-complete-mosquito-eradication-overdue/

04:22:29 assbot: Counterpoint: Fuck Them All To Death – Complete Mosquito Eradication Overdue | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/22adR9m )

04:22:44 *: BingoBoingo believes this is a qntra first

04:25:03 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Apologies for my latest qntra being a bit on the long side, but had to shame United States Gang while promoting my pet cause of preventing people from being born more retarded than they have to be

04:25:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:28:23 phf: when i see these people https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/e/e5/Fattrannys.jpg they now remind me of BingoBoingo and his crusade

04:28:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/22aelMU )

04:28:57 BingoBoingo: phf: Technically they were transMayogender before they called themselves transgender

04:30:20 danielpbarron: that photo is triggering.. warning plz!

04:31:17 phf: shitlords need safe space too

04:39:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00052157 = 3.338 BTC [-]

04:41:46 BingoBoingo: Desperate for Beetus https://i.sli.mg/ZBVBHD.jpg

04:41:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wi4MEu )

04:53:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00052203 = 2.8712 BTC [-] {2}

05:03:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4416 @ 0.00052157 = 2.3033 BTC [-] {2}

05:06:27 danielpbarron: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://danielpbarron.com/qntra/anybody-can-learn.asc.txt

05:06:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SJQ7Dh )

05:06:28 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:08:55 BingoBoingo: ty, another great find

05:10:34 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: For some reason the line spacing in this one got weird and it was infested with <div> tags, just cleaning them up and it will go up.

05:11:19 danielpbarron: yeah i noticed that too, but i figured since my wordpress generated the stuff it would unpack to the same thing i saw in yours

05:13:47 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well there's a difference between what it wants to eat and what it shits out

05:14:11 BingoBoingo: Anyways I guess today is danielpbarron shits on the Bill Gates charitable legacy day.

05:14:31 BingoBoingo: * "charitable"

05:14:37 BingoBoingo: forgot the scare quotes

05:17:53 danielpbarron: neato, the thing lets me "privately publish" so I can keep my own copy of it without it cluttering up my draft list or showing up on the rss

05:18:56 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/03/anybody-can-learn-gets-it-in-the-breech/

05:18:57 assbot: 'Anybody Can Learn' Gets It In The Breech | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1SJQXQo )

05:28:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00052815 = 3.1425 BTC [+] {2}

05:31:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00052816 = 2.4295 BTC [+] {2}

07:29:34 BingoBoingo: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/active/9952758/The-horses-saddled-with-our-obesity-epidemic.html

07:29:35 assbot: The horses saddled with our obesity epidemic - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1WiesPw )

07:29:46 BingoBoingo: "The study of 152 horses from Devon and Cornwall found that just one in 20 riders is within the optimum weight range."

07:45:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00052351 = 5.078 BTC [+] {5}

07:58:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00052157 = 20.3412 BTC [-]

08:15:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00052532 = 3.5722 BTC [+]

08:27:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84500 @ 0.00052709 = 44.5391 BTC [+] {6}

08:50:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00052532 = 2.2326 BTC [-]

09:10:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00052431 = 10.5911 BTC [-]

09:25:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27503 @ 0.00052338 = 14.3945 BTC [-] {3}

09:29:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00052283 = 6.0648 BTC [-]

09:35:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17283 @ 0.00052282 = 9.0359 BTC [-] {2}

09:36:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2617 @ 0.00052182 = 1.3656 BTC [-]

09:40:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00052182 = 8.2448 BTC [-]

10:01:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28156 @ 0.00052249 = 14.7112 BTC [+]

10:11:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38506 @ 0.0005221 = 20.104 BTC [-] {4}

11:04:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12951 @ 0.00052362 = 6.7814 BTC [+]

11:29:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36831 @ 0.00052182 = 19.2192 BTC [-] {2}

11:30:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31753 @ 0.00052155 = 16.5608 BTC [-] {5}

11:42:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00052118 = 11.3096 BTC [-]

11:59:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14841 @ 0.00052102 = 7.7325 BTC [-] {2}

12:00:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2153 @ 0.00052079 = 1.1213 BTC [-]

12:26:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00052173 = 18.7823 BTC [+] {3}

12:38:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00051998 = 3.0159 BTC [-]

12:58:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00052353 = 17.355 BTC [+] {3}

13:14:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00052162 = 17.6047 BTC [-] {2}

13:16:09 danielpbarron: and in the prolly-was-rigged department, AlphaGo is allowed to lose on the 4th match

13:17:02 punkman: danielpbarron: so it's 3-1 now?

13:17:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110589 @ 0.00051996 = 57.5019 BTC [-] {6}

13:17:30 fluffypony: danielpbarron: it's his strategy

13:17:40 fluffypony: lulling him into a false sense of security

13:27:28 danielpbarron: punkman, yep. The win for Sedol is purely conciliatory

13:33:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00051985 = 9.6692 BTC [-] {2}

13:35:03 nubbins`: i admittedly DGAF about sedol vs alphago, but wasn't the series best 3 out of 5?

13:37:07 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i have nfi what's going on with those two articles. they don't even make sense.

13:37:55 mircea_popescu: but as a sidepoint, this "style" thing is a lot like make-up. most young women look great without it ; in some cases, when well applied, can turn even mediocre women into total knockouts. but by the time it's measured by the lb, it ain't doing anyone any good.

13:38:44 mircea_popescu: fluffypony> danielpbarron: it's his strategy <<< well, makes perfect sense. 3-2 win looks a lot better than 5-0 win, sez google pr.

13:38:55 mircea_popescu: they apparently didn't realise this going in. no ai in pr, yet.

13:39:51 shinohai: ;;blocks

13:39:52 gribble: 402478

14:16:30 TomServo: !up ascii_field

14:17:02 ascii_field: ty TomServo . my relay seems to be b0rked.

14:17:35 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: spent some time going over the games.

14:19:25 ascii_field: the pile of 'yes' bets in the last few hours prior to closing, the particulars of how lee sedol went down, and now the 4th - give me a certain picture.

14:22:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00051915 = 20.0651 BTC [-] {3}

14:24:58 ascii_field: in chinese sphere, there are also suspicions, e.g., lee sedol avoided starting ko (which bots have never shined at) until 3rd game, where he did so quite ineptly and after his loss was quite cemented

14:32:19 ascii_field: my hypothesis is that he was not paid to lose, as such, but to keep a particular style of play, and he believed that he could win regardless.

14:32:25 ascii_field: fwiw.

14:33:22 ascii_field: note also that, breaking with tradition, lee sedol's contract for this game included NO payment for showing up, nor a loser's prize

14:33:49 ascii_field: he is playing, we are to believe, for phree...

14:35:59 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431469 << aha.

14:35:59 assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 13:38:44; mircea_popescu: fluffypony> danielpbarron: it's his strategy <<< well, makes perfect sense. 3-2 win looks a lot better than 5-0 win, sez google pr.

14:41:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7932 @ 0.00051897 = 4.1165 BTC [-]

15:05:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00052214 = 4.3077 BTC [+] {2}

15:17:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00052282 = 8.0514 BTC [+]

15:24:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00052282 = 3.2415 BTC [+]

15:25:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.00052098 = 22.7668 BTC [-] {3}

15:29:42 thestringpuller: dunno what the hate on Neural Nets is...

15:43:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9230 @ 0.00052362 = 4.833 BTC [+] {2}

15:51:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00052161 = 7.6937 BTC [-] {2}

15:53:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.00052079 = 17.3163 BTC [-] {3}

15:59:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.0005198 = 17.1534 BTC [-] {2}

16:01:15 danielpbarron: !up lexborisov

16:01:52 lexborisov: Hi, there!

16:02:06 danielpbarron: hello!

16:02:10 danielpbarron: You must be the 'myhtml' guy

16:02:31 lexborisov: Yes it's me

16:02:40 danielpbarron: glad to see you could make it

16:03:45 danielpbarron: paging punkman asciilifeform mircea_popescu

16:04:56 lexborisov: Sorry, but I do not understand what's going on here. That is what this chat?

16:06:32 danielpbarron: yes it's a public channel in which people with an interest in bitcoin talk about anything

16:08:01 danielpbarron: conversations may take place over long periods of time through use of referencing lines in the public log, which comes in handy when participants are not available to talk at the same time, as seems to be the case at the moment

16:08:45 danielpbarron: for example: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2016#1431202

16:08:45 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2016 13:14:31; mircea_popescu: let me enlighten you : it's "take a string that is definitionally misformed html, aka html soup, and transform it into sufficiently well formed html to render".

16:09:34 danielpbarron: in the meantime, do you have a GPG key lexborisov ?

16:11:35 lexborisov: No, if admit that I do not even know what it is

16:12:04 danielpbarron: here's some reading material : http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/gpg

16:12:05 assbot: gpg [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1V3Y1rI )

16:12:15 lexborisov: I'm from Russia for a long time choosing my words. My English is not so good as we would like. Sorry

16:13:04 danielpbarron: I understand you well enough

16:18:19 lexborisov: I need to get away for awhile. After returning to read through the links

16:18:28 danielpbarron: ok

16:22:04 mircea_popescu: heya lexborisov

16:22:17 mircea_popescu: nice work with the html parser, how's it going ?

16:49:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00052383 = 4.6097 BTC [+]

16:54:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00052044 = 19.4124 BTC [-] {4}

17:10:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24169 @ 0.00052323 = 12.6459 BTC [+]

17:17:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8255 @ 0.0005243 = 4.3281 BTC [+] {2}

17:19:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21251 @ 0.00052014 = 11.0535 BTC [-] {2}

17:43:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00051921 = 4.7767 BTC [-] {2}

17:56:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00051903 = 12.82 BTC [-] {3}

18:24:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7434 @ 0.0005247 = 3.9006 BTC [+]

18:31:05 jurov: http://techrights.org/2016/03/10/charm-offensives-distract/?_utm_source=1-2-2

18:31:11 assbot: Microsoft Has Just Blackmailed Linux Twice in One Single Week and the Media Didn’t Notice or Just Ignored It Because of Microsoft’s Charm Offensives | Techrights ... ( http://bit.ly/1pFcOx1 )

18:33:38 jurov: i wonder what alf will do when he receives inevitable cease and desist letter wrt gossipd/ada/anythingelse patents

18:40:24 ben_vulpes: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11504377/gdb-fails-with-unable-to-find-mach-task-port-for-process-id-error

18:40:26 assbot: osx - gdb fails with "Unable to find Mach task port for process-id" error - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1QW8qAp )

18:40:33 *: ben_vulpes sighs

18:41:35 *: ben_vulpes sings https://youtu.be/4N7VK7vHwnw?t=37

18:41:36 assbot: Moulin Rouge - Fly Away - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QW8wYI )

18:44:14 ben_vulpes: inanity in detail if anyone cares: http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/lldb/lldb-69/docs/code-signing.txt

18:44:15 assbot: code-signing.txt ... ( http://bit.ly/1QW8Oih )

18:46:39 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i have nfi what's going on with those two articles. they don't even make sense. << I'll get to cutting

18:51:57 danielpbarron: jurov> i wonder what alf will do << lemme try and fill in while he's away : mega-snore! ubuntu, the winbl0wz of linux, thought it could make a smart-f0ne when obviously the mobile world is for usg-blessed corps

18:53:29 danielpbarron: i think there's already a precedent for the other part; see SEC vs MP

19:00:09 *: mod6 has fun with scheme

19:02:03 mod6: im gonna tackle ada this week when my book gets here.

19:02:43 mod6: i did get gnat to work, so at least i can play with sample programs locally etc.

19:05:09 ben_vulpes: here's to the grand unified microsoft-brand-linux-that-can-build-ios-apps

19:05:19 ben_vulpes: let's just cram all the things i hate about my life into one tidy little package

19:08:27 fluffypony: well you can build iOS apps on just about everything, so you can't get away from that

19:08:37 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/misbegats/

19:08:39 assbot: Misbegats ... ( http://bit.ly/24YAM6y )

19:12:09 ben_vulpes: there is no getting away fluffypony

19:12:16 ben_vulpes: there is only the creeping hell

19:12:19 fluffypony: lol

19:14:18 ben_vulpes: at least i only had to type my password the *first* time i booted bitcoin under gdb

19:41:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.0005218 = 10.6186 BTC [-] {2}

19:44:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00052135 = 2.3461 BTC [-] {3}

19:47:34 danielpbarron: !up ascii_field

19:48:39 ascii_field: in 4th game lee sedol actually decided to play with both hands and wiped the floor with the bot.

19:48:48 ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^

19:49:18 ascii_field: it is a ~recognizably~ leesedolish game

19:51:08 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431536 << danielpbarron has it. ubuntu is not linux.

19:51:08 assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 18:51:57; danielpbarron: jurov> i wonder what alf will do << lemme try and fill in while he's away : mega-snore! ubuntu, the winbl0wz of linux, thought it could make a smart-f0ne when obviously the mobile world is for usg-blessed corps

19:52:18 jurov: but i did not ask about ubuntu. i asked about m$ suing you about infringing their patents

19:52:40 jurov: while you dream about sophisticated torture devices

19:53:58 ascii_field: nothing to stop them from doing it right now.

19:54:22 ascii_field: i have nothing with which to defend.

19:54:58 ascii_field: the only reason it has not happened is that i'm ineffective and uninteresting to anyone...

19:56:12 jurov: O.o

19:56:30 ascii_field: well think.

19:57:23 ascii_field: jurov: in usaschwitz, it is enough to be sued, to be driven into penury immediately, you don't even need to lose.

19:57:32 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: your verditc is 'hrown matches'?

19:57:57 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: see logz from earlier today.

19:58:21 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431479

19:58:21 assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 14:32:19; ascii_field: my hypothesis is that he was not paid to lose, as such, but to keep a particular style of play, and he believed that he could win regardless.

20:00:18 ascii_field: jurov: since you mentioned it, i will explain that i can be taken off the gameboard in any of 1,001 different simple ways, by the lizards, and i have no defense, and that you and the rest should expect this to happen sooner or later and study accordingly

20:02:02 ascii_field: i already stand on th board with only one foot, in having lately to spend virtually all of my time working on idiotic rubbish so as to pay the rent.

20:03:51 ascii_field: eventually either the lizards will move, or mircea_popescu will grow tired of me, or my health simply gives out, and mircea_popescu will have to learn ada and relearn numbertheory himself...

20:04:33 mircea_popescu: in other news, bitbet headed into receivership : http://fraudsters.com/2016/the-greatly-anticipated-bitbet-sbbet-february-2016-statement/#comment-116766

20:04:34 assbot: The greatly anticipated BitBet (S.BBET) February 2016 Statement on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1phuhuR )

20:05:12 mircea_popescu: i must say the experience has been rather sobering as to all sorts of naive assumptions as to value, wealth and economics in the bitcoin world.

20:05:31 ascii_field: woah

20:05:32 mircea_popescu: ascii_field let me disabuse you of that notion right now.

20:05:44 *: ascii_field takes off hat

20:06:43 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: which

20:07:17 mircea_popescu: that i'm perpetually going to pick up the pieces. i'm not.

20:07:38 ascii_field: i didn't think so.

20:08:19 mircea_popescu: so then no, mp isn't learning any ada. if mp wanted to learn ada, he would have.

20:08:45 ascii_field: i can more easily see mircea_popescu raising a guerilla army in nepal or the like.

20:08:56 ascii_field: different angle on it all.

20:09:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17107 @ 0.00052067 = 8.9071 BTC [-] {2}

20:09:36 ascii_field: i dun think i ever actually saw mircea_popescu pick up pieces.

20:09:51 mircea_popescu: course not, cuz if you're going to you're best not be seen.

20:10:52 ascii_field: anyway while i expect to eventually be smashed into pieces, i do not expect anyone to actually pick any of them up. nor do i really give a damn.

20:11:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 52962 @ 0.00005 = 2.6481 BTC [-]

20:11:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16143 @ 0.00052006 = 8.3953 BTC [-]

20:11:19 ascii_field: !s from:asciilifeform archaeologists

20:11:20 assbot: 27 results for 'from:asciilifeform archaeologists' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+archaeologists

20:35:01 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:37:13 ascii_field: 'This line of credit carries seniority above that of shareholders and below that of bettors.' was mircea_popescu's earlier verdict, but now 'Bitbet's liabilities are currently comprised of various bills (such as the 17.94766149 BTC it owes as per this report, such as whatever fee it may owe the receiver for his trouble, and others as may arise), which are the most senior ; with the remainder to go to payouts to th

20:37:13 ascii_field: the least senior.' <<< interesting

20:38:09 ascii_field: is this traditional? (i am not connected with any of this, merely curious how it worx)

20:38:48 ascii_field: also i realized that i never learned what was the logic for 0asset operations ?

20:41:35 ascii_field: bbet long pre-dates my study of mircea_popescutronics, and i have nfi, was the plan that it could never incur unexpected expense ?

20:43:00 ascii_field: (what if someone had stolen the server, like fraudsters was once stolen? or the like)

20:44:19 ben_vulpes: the problem appears to not be "unexpected expense" but a disagreement between the founders as to the legitimacy of the expense.

20:44:33 jurov: unexpected expenses are different thing than irreconcilable difference between partners

20:44:46 deedbot-: [Qntra] Miner Problem Pushes BitBet Into Recievership - http://qntra.net/2016/03/miner-problem-pushes-bitbet-into-recievership/

20:45:10 ben_vulpes: oh ffs BingoBoingo with the mythical miner cartel

20:47:07 mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's how it's normally done, yes.

20:47:09 deedbot-: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Racial (in)equality and you, or why China’s your daddy. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/03/13/racial-inequality-and-you-or-why-chinas-your-daddy/

20:47:31 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-03-2016#1425896

20:47:31 assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 23:23:49; asciilifeform: some bastard is running 3000+ sybils. what's unstable here.

20:48:03 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: creditors first, aha, after i asked, i remembered this

20:48:21 mircea_popescu: ascii_field> bbet long pre-dates my study of mircea_popescutronics, and i have nfi <<< it's not terribly clear to me either, after all these years.

20:48:38 ascii_field: wtf mircea_popescu invented it!111

20:48:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 110000 @ 0.00005 = 5.5 BTC [-]

20:48:47 ascii_field: if not him then who.

20:49:12 mircea_popescu: i invent things by degrees and i can't always and on the button answer as to the logic of things. they go in a context. i know for a fact the arrangement make sense in 2012, but entirely hazy as to the reasoning.

20:50:12 ascii_field: i suppose it is true that inventor never has half a clue re the long term.

20:50:16 mircea_popescu: and in spite of being uncharacteristically verbose for a human being... apparently i don't write everything either.

20:51:27 mircea_popescu: anyway, to be perfectly clear, i don't think kakobrekla did anything wrong at any juncture, nor am i privately holding anything against the man. while the outcome is miserable, i dun think there's necessarily much that could have been done to prevent it.

20:51:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 40000 @ 0.00005 = 2 BTC [-]

20:52:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 162122 @ 0.00005 = 8.1061 BTC [-] {2}

20:53:11 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i'm sorry, what ?

20:53:50 pete_dushenski: my two cents on 0assets was always that it was a nod towards mpex bitcoin businesses having no bounded geographic constraints. '0asset' always meant '0meatspaceasset' in my head.

20:54:33 pete_dushenski: this obviously couldn't strictly be true, but was a more of philosophical consideration to my mind

20:54:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15987 @ 0.00052111 = 8.331 BTC [-]

20:54:54 mircea_popescu: there was certainly a tinge of that.

20:55:30 pete_dushenski: for as long as server A in location A' could work just as well as server B in location B', it would hold

20:55:51 ascii_field: yeah but 1 server nuked and you're broke?!

20:56:13 ascii_field: ( for example )

20:56:24 pete_dushenski: then too broke for mpex

20:56:43 ascii_field: this is a tank with no armour

20:57:30 pete_dushenski: then don't get hit !

20:57:48 mircea_popescu: hence my comment about fragility. there are two main threads here that would-be bitcoin entrepreneurs must heed quite closely. one is that - your expense structure is not either a) in your own control or b) specificable. for as long as your business model involves bitcoin as it currently exists, you're doing the economic equivalent of linking remote dlls.

20:58:09 ascii_field: even if bitcoin were bulletproof

20:58:14 mircea_popescu: but it is not.

20:58:25 ascii_field: any operation can take damage and run a loss

20:58:26 mircea_popescu: and all sorts of costs that the fiat system eats, are not here eaten by anything.

20:58:40 ascii_field: if 10,001 orcs show up at the gates

20:58:48 pete_dushenski: this at least saves writing out a business plan :)

20:59:02 mircea_popescu: and the other is that very little actual value exists in serving this market.

20:59:29 ascii_field: aha this is sorta like a superconductor, a very small pocket of not-superconducting-no-moar leads to thermal runaway and quench and boom.

20:59:42 mircea_popescu: something like that i guess.

21:00:17 pete_dushenski: i always found it incredible how prominent and successful bbet was, and how little profit it generated from its nearly monopolistic position

21:00:31 ascii_field: and actually yeah, if bbet were yielding 100btc/day or whatever, it could eat the bird in the engine and keep flying

21:01:03 ascii_field: mircea_popescu has grim but 100% accurat point, as often

21:01:08 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the way start-ups usually work is that they look good, but if forcibly deflated midstride it's tears all around.

21:01:15 ascii_field: in his venetian beak plague mask.

21:02:11 ben_vulpes: "I will simply consider the matter moot." << and keep bettor funds if no receiver steps forward?

21:02:20 pete_dushenski: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md8oz6nG7x1ra4kiro1_500.jpg << mask

21:02:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkVJlK )

21:02:54 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes eventually.

21:04:09 pete_dushenski: muh coinz !!1

21:04:31 mircea_popescu: well what the fuck, i'm not leaving this in my will fee tail.

21:05:11 ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field

21:05:13 ben_vulpes: no ofc not

21:05:50 ascii_field: thing has almost greek tragedic flavour to it.

21:06:15 ben_vulpes: nor can you pay bettors out after yourself in the process of dissolution.

21:06:16 *: pete_dushenski actually currently has as little ballskin in bbet's maws as he has had in 2 years. blessedly!

21:06:19 ben_vulpes: what fucking tragedy.

21:07:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5507 @ 0.00052111 = 2.8698 BTC [-]

21:07:50 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431616

21:07:50 assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 20:51:27; mircea_popescu: anyway, to be perfectly clear, i don't think kakobrekla did anything wrong at any juncture, nor am i privately holding anything against the man. while the outcome is miserable, i dun think there's necessarily much that could have been done to prevent it.

21:07:58 pete_dushenski: thank goodness i've been wearing my plague mask in the bedroom of late. it brought me luck!

21:08:01 ascii_field: or ben_vulpes disagrees ?

21:08:21 ascii_field: how would ben_vulpes have played it differently ?

21:08:36 ben_vulpes: i've been told that i have no business saying anything about bitbet's business, ascii_field.

21:09:14 ascii_field: i have equally little business telling lee sedol how to play

21:09:20 ascii_field: but there i go.

21:09:59 pete_dushenski: 'teaching birds how to fly' (tm)

21:10:22 pete_dushenski: no wait, it was 'lecturing'

21:10:22 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: into completely opaque steel walls no less.

21:10:49 ascii_field: bird that ends up in engine could have learned something prior ?

21:11:02 ben_vulpes: no fucking engine. brick wall a mile high.

21:11:15 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: heh

21:11:35 pete_dushenski: in other china news, http://www.ejinsight.com/20160312-how-china-sees-trump-and-what-is-missed/

21:11:39 assbot: How China Sees Trump, and what is missed ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgBAJT )

21:11:52 ben_vulpes: elementary questions like "wtf -- paid twice?!" are dismissed with "you just don't understand how bitcoin works".

21:12:14 ben_vulpes: who is going to even contemplate stepping into receiver's role in this context?!

21:12:16 ben_vulpes: jurov?

21:12:25 ben_vulpes: probably /also/ already disqualified for stating his opinions on the matter.

21:12:26 pete_dushenski: "Moneyed folk in Hong Kong know of his phoniness, mainly because of something that happened in the early 1990s. Trump bungled a real estate deal in New York City, one that would have truly established him as a titan of America, and he needed cash fast. He came to Hong Kong looking for investors, and met them for a game of golf. They wanted to play for US$1 million a hole. Trump knew he was out of his league and

21:12:26 pete_dushenski: declined, though he did manage to leave with US$82 million … in exchange for a US$300 million mortgage. When Trump’s investors from Hong Kong cashed out more than a decade later, US$1.8 billion in profits awaited them. Thin-skinned as ever, Trump sued them."

21:13:17 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i'd open a perimutuel bet that nassim who play receiver, but i don't trust betmoooose

21:13:18 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: folks have destroyed far more precious machines than bbet by elbowing 'wrong button'

21:13:19 jurov: ben_vulpes: and i also have some 0.8btc skin in it

21:13:28 pete_dushenski: s/who/would

21:13:41 mircea_popescu: but let's not talk of things being moot and sad stuff like that. instead : bitbet isn't actually missing any bettor funds, the whole receiver thing could be done in a week.

21:14:03 mircea_popescu: i'd really ask folk in b-a with busienss experience to seriously consider doing this. a clean close-down of a bitcoin venture would be truly an absolute first.

21:14:08 mircea_popescu: like pete_dushenski, you busy ?

21:14:12 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: unless i misread, there is no way it can fully pay out bettors

21:14:31 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: for that to happen, the receiver'd have to invalidate mircea_popescu's charge.

21:14:31 ascii_field: it has to pay back the 17 first, no?

21:14:44 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so ?

21:15:13 ascii_field: invalidate?

21:15:19 mircea_popescu: ascii_field well no, you know how this sort of thing works ?

21:15:27 ascii_field: how does that work?

21:15:40 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i could probably be walked through it

21:15:56 mircea_popescu: when a venture goes into receivership a person is named (usually by the courts) to receive all the assets, and register all the claims against it. then decide which claims are valiud, and how much they're getting.

21:16:00 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: see 4.

21:17:10 ascii_field: so if receiver decides that all bets pay properly and mircea_popescu gets a 17 btc haircut, mircea_popescu will live with this?

21:17:30 mircea_popescu: well who asks me anything ? i won't like it, but...

21:18:06 mircea_popescu: his job to make this sorta calls.

21:18:27 ascii_field: so it is to be auctioned...

21:18:37 ascii_field: today?

21:18:52 mircea_popescu: uh wtf do you mean today lol.

21:19:20 ascii_field: nfi, and i have no legit reason to care.

21:19:32 ben_vulpes: also auction not the best model, lowest bidding receiver is not a particularly good idea.

21:19:34 mircea_popescu: even if somehow all the ducks got lined up, it needs some publicity.

21:19:54 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i was thinking, interviews. think senate hearings for appointees.

21:20:29 mircea_popescu: course this'd be a senate of two people, but anyway.

21:20:35 ben_vulpes: ultimately though it'd just be you and kako hearing.

21:21:01 ben_vulpes: this is going to be hung, as the receiver will have to answer as to the disposition of your charge, and either way one of the founders is going to refuse an unfriendly nominee.

21:21:05 mircea_popescu: well yeah, if either vetoes very little can be done.

21:21:12 ben_vulpes: nice little construction.

21:21:23 ascii_field: doesn't this permawedge?

21:21:38 mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care. as long as the person seems competent... hey.

21:22:28 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: game theoretically permawedges obviously.

21:22:37 ben_vulpes: perhaps mircea_popescu plays a different game here though.

21:23:08 ascii_field: and as i understand, receiver needs the technical ability to unravel kakobrekla's code

21:23:23 ben_vulpes: and the db.

21:23:30 ascii_field: (because he cannot, no matter what, outsource he task)

21:23:32 ben_vulpes: and be in the wot.

21:23:39 *: BingoBoingo suspects a very mike_c sort of flavor on this job

21:23:52 ascii_field: ;;seen mike_c

21:23:52 gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 12 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <mike_c> let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already

21:23:59 mircea_popescu: maybe dooglus is interested

21:24:08 *: ascii_field bbl

21:24:09 mircea_popescu: iirc he did one of the very few clean closedowns in the space

21:24:29 pete_dushenski: ^true

21:29:41 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mats feel like running another audit on bbet's reserve capital ?

21:29:41 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:30:36 pete_dushenski: last one was nigh on two years ago now : http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/07/results-of-first-bitbet-audit-april-7-2014/

21:30:41 mircea_popescu: mats also works, yeah.

21:32:51 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: bbet contract 3.1d refers to 3.1b, correct?

21:34:14 mircea_popescu: hm ?

21:35:50 ben_vulpes: "aforementioned signed document" refers to "special spreadsheet"?

21:36:58 mircea_popescu: seems to talk of a.

21:39:36 ben_vulpes: mk. then the contractual obligation bitbet is failing to uphold leading to its delisting would be kakobrekla's declining to convey his acceptance of the statement, without which shareholders cannot be paid out?

21:39:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00052446 = 12.6919 BTC [+] {3}

21:40:42 mircea_popescu: well, it gotta produce monthly statements. currently we can't do that. mpex wasn't historically very strict with this, but it certainly won't last forever.

21:40:59 mircea_popescu: there's been if memory serves exactly one case of delisted company on these grounds, bvps.

21:41:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32185 @ 0.00052111 = 16.7719 BTC [-] {2}

21:42:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00052111 = 1.7457 BTC [-]

21:45:06 pete_dushenski: bbiab

21:55:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.0005247 = 8.6313 BTC [+]

22:16:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26817 @ 0.00052111 = 13.9746 BTC [-] {2}

22:24:54 BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet

22:24:54 assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00005 / 0.00005001 / 0.000051 (487224 shares, 24.37 BTC), 7D: 0.00005 / 0.00005068 / 0.00008301 (497396 shares, 25.21 BTC), 30D: 0.00005 / 0.00005106 / 0.000105 (502896 shares, 25.68 BTC)

22:27:38 BingoBoingo: Other lulz https://archive.is/BjSxF

22:27:39 assbot: BayAreaCoins , Steven Steiner is showing all the marks of a SCAMMER! ... ( http://bit.ly/1RfJpFS )

22:45:32 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field

22:46:09 pete_dushenski: if anyone is having trouble accessing contravex, lemme know. just finished blocking a bunch of ip addresses.

22:46:10 ascii_field: anyone else here read the lee sedol games?

22:46:29 ascii_field: ( or even care ? )

22:46:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19425 @ 0.00052281 = 10.1556 BTC [+] {2}

22:51:49 pete_dushenski: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2021568/GRPublishedJELFinal.pdf << "Why Oragnizations Fail : Models and Cases"

22:51:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YOIrjA )

22:52:18 pete_dushenski: "Incentive problems arise due to the presence of asymmetric information or imperfect commitment, which lead agents to act according to their own biases or preferences rather than in the interest of the organization" << timely

23:00:18 pete_dushenski: https://www.math.upenn.edu/~wilf/website/PSUTalk.pdf << on the subject of algebra ii as it relates to social sciences

23:00:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YOJOPd )

23:00:41 pete_dushenski: "Can there be “research in mathematical education”?"

23:02:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 42313 @ 0.00005 = 2.1157 BTC [-]

23:09:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80500 @ 0.00052025 = 41.8801 BTC [-] {5}

23:14:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6025 @ 0.00052096 = 3.1388 BTC [+]

23:24:51 TomServo: !up mpSCAM

23:25:13 pete_dushenski: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/1900_killing_of_foreigners.jpg/350px-1900_killing_of_foreigners.jpg << for alf

23:25:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1V4TEN2 )

23:25:48 mpSCAM: popescu finally outed as a scammer?

23:25:57 mpSCAM: with bitbet exit scam?

23:29:33 danielpbarron: mpSCAM, who are you?

23:33:04 mpSCAM: daniel did you get owned?

23:33:21 danielpbarron: nope i'm up despite taking a pretty substantial loss on bitbet

23:33:25 mpSCAM: thats what happens when you invest into vice

23:33:33 mpSCAM: with a pornographer like popescu

23:33:48 danielpbarron: so i get profit is what you're saying?

23:33:59 mpSCAM: you got owned popescu games the exchange

23:34:05 mpSCAM: him and jurov

23:34:18 danielpbarron: do you think i'm lying?

23:34:21 mpSCAM: idiot went and sent funds from his personal btc wallet made a mistake

23:34:28 mpSCAM: and tried to blame the miner collusion LOL

23:34:34 danielpbarron: loooky here, either converse with me or i silence you

23:34:59 mpSCAM: whats there to converse

23:35:08 mpSCAM: popescu is a scammer he always was just hid it clever

23:35:16 danielpbarron: !down mpSCAM

23:42:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15908 @ 0.00051897 = 8.2558 BTC [-]

23:51:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00051897 = 7.7846 BTC [-]

23:56:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27699 @ 0.00051867 = 14.3666 BTC [-] {3}

23:59:47 danielpbarron: !up ascii_field