Transcript for 13-04-2014, 1552 lines:
00:02:04 moiety: kakobrekla: i've not seen dead man, i'm going to get it ty
00:03:12 kakobrekla: if you find the start of the movie grim, try to hold on, it will get better.
00:04:04 asciilifeform: in other news, sergey nepobedimy ('invincible', his real name,) creator of 'igla' and 'strela' rockets, has died.
00:04:10 moiety: kk, not like me to not see a film through tbf
00:05:31 moiety: 92 y/o... i hope it was peaceful
00:07:31 artifexd: So... gmaxwell is harassing the conformal guys about how they developed btcd. It comes across as so... I don't know... petty.
00:08:33 artifexd: mircea_popescu: I'm starting to understand why you like these guys. Here's a quote that I find particularly compelling:
00:08:35 artifexd: @jy-p> it's a nice little bullshit trick that is used by people who don't get their work done
00:15:02 mike_c: cloudy conference.
00:15:05 ozbot: Timisoara, Romania Weather Forecast from Weather Underground
00:16:13 kakobrekla: oh yeah, the scientology meeting.
00:16:40 moiety: with everything going on in the ukraine, why are they protesting potholes?! http://20minutegarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Tulips-in-Potholes.jpeg
00:20:44 kakobrekla: flower bomb shrapnel?
00:24:42 moiety: lol i just feel there are other things they could be turning attention to
00:26:59 ozbot: Civilization: Beyond Earth (Announcement) - YouTube
00:42:14 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what you like so much bout dead man btw ?
00:42:27 mircea_popescu: not sayin' it's bad or anything, that shit's trippy, but i think i'm missing most of it.
00:45:24 kakobrekla: i dunno, it has a lot of qualities i like. its indeed trippy and and well its fuckin hilarious, after about 30min in or so
00:45:36 mircea_popescu: artifexd myeah.
00:46:10 kakobrekla: full of absurdities and such.
00:46:30 mircea_popescu: artifexd course, you could say that to him rather than to me. he doesn't know it, i do.
00:47:03 mircea_popescu: fuckwit is actually to this day going around all convinced he's anything but slime somebody scraped off his work boot and failed to properly dispose of.
00:47:11 moiety: I've just started Dead Man
00:47:23 kakobrekla: well, good luck moiety .
00:48:02 moiety: depps lesser known films turn out to be his best
00:49:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, you're not the only one plagued. conformal guys got their own robwizz turns out.
00:49:11 mircea_popescu: ima gotta have to stop mentioning people or something.
00:49:37 mircea_popescu: !up Azelphur
00:49:41 Azelphur: thankies :)
00:49:43 mircea_popescu: you're on the list yo, why not just up yourself
00:49:54 Azelphur: oh, I wasn't aware of the new channel settings
00:50:07 mircea_popescu: id with gribs then pm assbot !up
00:50:42 Azelphur: simple enough :)
00:50:49 mircea_popescu: tell your friends.
00:50:53 Azelphur: anyway, another fun question for you, do you believe the "mtgox got hacked" crap? :P
00:51:03 moiety: i like the new system, have to say
00:51:03 mircea_popescu: no.
00:51:08 mircea_popescu: moiety how come ?
00:51:09 Azelphur: me neither
00:51:25 Azelphur: back when I was designing your exchange I actually had a conversation with tux about security
00:51:33 Azelphur: so I could learn what mtgox did wrong, what they do now, that sort of thing
00:51:36 Azelphur: and they seemed fairly decent
00:51:37 mircea_popescu: wait you were wut ?
00:51:49 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: sorry, designing the frontend for*
00:51:51 moiety: just personal taste after the other day mircea_popescu
00:51:54 Azelphur: derp >.<
00:51:59 mircea_popescu: o you mean pympex ?
00:52:17 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: nah, remember you wanted me to open a brokerage, and I did a lot of code, but didn't release it because of the whole going to jail thing.
00:52:26 mircea_popescu: you went to jail ?!
00:52:37 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I would have if I started running a brokerage being in England ;)
00:52:38 mircea_popescu: dude what the fuck, i just had a coupla shots of brandy
00:52:43 mircea_popescu: oh
00:52:44 Azelphur: hahaha
00:52:55 mircea_popescu: no but i mean i sit down and nothing makes sense anymore
00:53:13 Azelphur: admittedly I coulda explained that better ;)
00:53:42 mircea_popescu: dun take this the wrong way, but i dun recall that episode. so you were going to do something like coinbr ?
00:53:44 Azelphur: but yea, was just curious, it's such a weird situation, and this getting hacked thing makes no sense
00:53:57 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: yea, I'm pretty sure I showed you the prototypes at some point
00:54:08 mircea_popescu: well possible, if it was in like 2012
00:54:09 Azelphur: and I had it interfacing with GLBSE and MPEX back in the day
00:54:14 Azelphur: yea, it was a long time ago
00:54:21 mircea_popescu: anyway
00:54:36 Azelphur: would have done it if I didn't like my freedom so much :p
00:54:54 mircea_popescu: make sure you close your eve account while at it.
00:55:02 mircea_popescu: i hear them brits are not kidding.
00:55:05 Azelphur: haha
01:00:45 [\]: people still ues eve?
01:00:48 [\]: use*
01:09:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: conformal co. - the reimplement bitcoind folks?
01:11:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in golang
01:11:42 mircea_popescu: [\\\] apparently. they were doing some shit about "come have your name on a plaque on this statue we're building"
01:11:51 asciilifeform: i still can't figure out why google had to reimplement 'D'
01:12:15 [\]: yeah, I follow bradfitz
01:12:20 [\]: he's a golang dude
01:12:36 [\]: "why use someone else's work when we can make our own?"
01:13:08 mircea_popescu: fun fact : d had some romanian work on it originally
01:13:19 [\]: no wonder they dumped it
01:13:21 [\]: <.<
01:13:24 [\]: >.>
01:13:36 [\]: .bait
01:13:54 asciilifeform: 'A "new" language that differs from the rest of the crop by one or a couple features is proof positive that both what it came from and what it has become are mutations about to die. There are tens if not hundreds of thousands of such "languages" that people have invented over the yeare, for all sorts of weird purposes where they just could not use whatever language they were already using, could not extend it
01:13:54 asciilifeform: , and could not fathom how to modify its tools without making a whole new language. They never stopped to think about how horribly wasteful this is, they just went on to create yet another language called Dodo, the Titanic, Edsel, Kyoto-agreement..."'
01:14:08 asciilifeform: (naggum on language proliferation - http://email@example.com)
01:14:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine the way a large talent stable works is invariant. gotta let people do the stupid shit they wanna do to some degree
01:15:01 asciilifeform: i don't begrudge these people their weirdlangs
01:15:01 mircea_popescu: google's not about to hire chicks with whips for the devteam. cheaper to reimplement d.
01:15:13 asciilifeform: but the waste.
01:15:26 mircea_popescu: inasmuch as people are involved, there's no such thing as waste.
01:15:30 mircea_popescu: everything's eaten by something.
01:16:12 mircea_popescu: only machines can waste.
01:16:13 asciilifeform: the blind 'neophilia' of programmers is their undoing.
01:16:48 thestringpuller: ;;ident
01:16:50 asciilifeform: me, i'm still waiting for the 'let's crib features' folks to crib common lisp's intelligent error handling.
01:17:14 thestringpuller: ;;ticker
01:17:19 asciilifeform: (the only programming language i personally know, or so much as heard of, where the machine can recover intelligently from any error condition short of smoking)
01:19:59 ozbot: NOW IT'S PERSONAL: SF Protesters Targeting Tech Execs By Name - Business Insider
01:20:03 mircea_popescu: check out these fuckwits.
01:20:28 mircea_popescu: and none of the named is going around calling the employers of these fuckwits with the simple message of "fire everyone or go out of business".
01:20:34 mircea_popescu: what sort of upside down shithole is that!
01:20:41 asciilifeform: 'stop jack from evicting teachers' << evicting engineers, or accountants, is presumably ok
01:21:26 mircea_popescu: no but it's like... yo shithead. you make enough to buy me a tie a year and are here protesting ? you're fucked, better hope you enjoy living in a sewer.
01:21:39 asciilifeform: this might call for some background story for the non-u.s. folks. here, 'teacher' is an iconic 'noble' profession, in the eyes of the liberasts
01:21:46 mircea_popescu: what happened to "we don't negotiate to terrorists" ?
01:21:49 asciilifeform: because they are typically paid by the (usually broke) state gov.
01:22:59 asciilifeform: 'gentrification' is a liberast technical term for the process discussed here a while ago, where slightly better paid wage slaves concentrate in an area and bid up the cost of housing.
01:23:50 asciilifeform: the 'starving artists', who often congregate in slums and enjoy the low cost, take to marching with protest signs.
01:24:12 mike_c: BI is (as usual) blowing shit out of proportion for headlines. 6 people were pissed they got evicted and made a sign. who cares.
01:24:15 mircea_popescu: i guess it's better for the environment than the usual crap they do (and call "art")
01:24:48 moiety: "...standing outside their house accusing them (falsely) of advocating sexual assault,..." wtf?!
01:24:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c ok mr cool head, go ahead, piss on my parade.
01:25:20 asciilifeform: another interesting detail - in many u.s. states, it takes ages to actually evict someone.
01:25:22 mike_c: I just hate BI. such trash. can't decide if they're worse than gawker, but it's a close race to the bottom of the toilet bowl.
01:25:56 asciilifeform: google has its own bus!?
01:26:01 mike_c: many of them.
01:26:15 moiety: not all have windows now
01:26:16 asciilifeform: i suppose the stories are true; next - their own morgue, cemetery...
01:26:19 mircea_popescu: mike_c no argument there.
01:26:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's called company town.
01:26:46 asciilifeform: i associate buses sans windows with... something else. not sure i'd care to ride in one, given a choice.
01:26:47 mircea_popescu: like lowell used to be. very instructive place, that.
01:27:10 mircea_popescu: go around through the dormitoirs where poor irish girls were required to sleep, compare to the contemporary black slaves' situation,
01:27:24 mircea_popescu: be very amused that anyone seriously thinks anyone'd believe they fought a war over that difference.
01:27:27 mircea_popescu: what fucking difference!
01:27:31 asciilifeform: afaik 'factory town' is the historic, international norm
01:28:04 mircea_popescu: notrly. it's more of a product of the empty spaces of the colonies, and the peculiar cvasi-catholic sects they followed.
01:28:24 asciilifeform: soviets did 'factory town' routinely.
01:28:39 mircea_popescu: ya but you know, historic'd mean "industrial age".
01:28:40 asciilifeform: some still function
01:28:45 asciilifeform: naturally
01:28:58 mircea_popescu: well, they didn't exist in brabant as such, nor in northern italy, nor in england
01:29:09 mircea_popescu: they did to some degree exist in scotland, which WAS a colony of england
01:29:14 asciilifeform: point.
01:29:17 mircea_popescu: they similarily did exist in the empty east
01:29:29 asciilifeform: round up the locals, herd into factory.
01:29:35 mircea_popescu: say nagasaki
01:29:44 mircea_popescu: founded by the portuguese as EXACTLY a corp town
01:30:13 asciilifeform: more from same loltron:
01:30:15 ozbot: Silicon Valley Arrogance Bubble - Business Insider
01:31:48 mike_c: if i had one bullet, and I was in a room with gawker, BI, and bitcointalk..
01:32:12 asciilifeform: clinton puts on parachute and jumps first.
01:32:15 asciilifeform: or perhaps, wrong joke.
01:32:20 mike_c: hehe
01:33:24 moiety: i would have to go with btctalk mike_c
01:33:40 mircea_popescu: mike_c let's take the violence out of it. if you had one cock...
01:33:51 mike_c: harder to turn that upon myself.
01:34:02 mircea_popescu: apparently it's done
01:34:13 moiety: just remove a rib
01:34:15 asciilifeform: marvels of gymnastics.
01:34:28 mircea_popescu: moiety no, that's for making a woman. different sport.
01:34:42 moiety: lol ^
01:34:50 moiety: i thought thats what Prince did
01:34:58 moiety: re ribs not making women
01:35:21 [\]: Manson did
01:35:34 mircea_popescu: wasn't manson going around kissing people's feet ?
01:35:45 asciilifeform: anyone remember the toy where a set of small pins is mounted in a frame - press in hand, and an impression of hand protrudes from the other side of the box ?
01:35:56 asciilifeform: eventually, someone will make a long and flexible version of this toy
01:36:01 asciilifeform: for auto-fellatio, etc.
01:36:02 mircea_popescu: hellraiser ?
01:36:23 asciilifeform: nah, a little gizmo that used to be sold at 'science souvenir' shops in the u.s.
01:37:32 ozbot: Digitally Reconfigurable Mold - bengineering
01:37:56 asciilifeform: afaik 'braille terminal' works similarly.
01:39:51 asciilifeform: in unrelated news,
01:39:53 ozbot: Heartbleed certificate revocation tsunami yet to arrive | Netcraft
01:40:38 asciilifeform: (tldr - the pwned didn't give a damn yesterday, and they still don't today)
01:41:04 moiety: apprently " there is no evidence of a successful rib-removal surgery in all of the Western world. "
01:42:34 moiety: !up Mats_cd03
01:42:46 Mats_cd03: sankq
01:43:13 moiety: np, if you id with gribble you can up yourself in pm with assbot
01:44:20 Mats_cd03: mp: funny enough, ill be living in lowell in a few months with a friend
01:44:47 asciilifeform: gets a little more interesting:
01:44:48 asciilifeform: http://www.antievictionmappingproject.net/ellis.html
01:44:48 ozbot: Ellis Act Evictions - Anti-Eviction Mapping Project
01:44:49 Mats_cd03: i hear cambodian gangs roam the streets - ive never interacted with asian gangsters so this will be fun
01:45:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and likely will never arrive.
01:45:20 mircea_popescu: the incentive to do it is actually negative. if you run a site as a us business, and they can directly steal your data this way, they will.
01:45:27 mircea_popescu: if they can't, they'll just supoena you.
01:45:36 mircea_popescu: it's more expensive, so you actually don't want to run a clean system.
01:45:53 mircea_popescu: which is why nobody outside the us wants to use any us company fopr any purpose
01:45:58 mircea_popescu: and those inside the us, even less.
01:46:45 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 just a buncha derpy kids. at least a decade ago
01:46:48 asciilifeform: next comes the 'network disk', where the buggers don't need to settle for small change (ssl diddling, etc.)
01:46:52 mircea_popescu: make pretty good bread tho
01:47:53 asciilifeform: lol
01:51:43 ozbot: Protest Flyer At Kevin Rose's House - Business Insider
01:52:08 asciilifeform: 'we are the ones who serve them coffee, deliver them food, suck their cocks...'
01:52:17 mircea_popescu: bird shat on kevin spacey's car.
01:53:55 Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: word is, theyre participating in the distribution of heroin. not kids anymore
01:55:19 mircea_popescu: things never stay put, do they.
01:56:41 mircea_popescu: .d
01:56:41 ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 837 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.1330% in 5d 9h 26m 5s
01:57:42 Mats_cd03: a storm is coming...
02:00:14 moiety: kakobrekla: have you seen Seraphim Falls? I think you might like it
02:00:40 kakobrekla: doesnt ring a bell
02:01:37 ozbot: Seraphim Falls (2006) - IMDb
02:02:01 kakobrekla: ill take a look but its got color.
02:02:40 kakobrekla: vastly different!
02:02:52 Mats_cd03: on the subject of movies, has anyone seen sunshine?
02:03:22 moiety: well worth a watch, promise. i feel they are a bit similar withthe trekking and hallucinatory bits
02:03:40 kakobrekla: hehe okay
02:18:09 ozbot: Twitter / HistoricalPics: "Why is [country] so..." Swedish ...
02:18:16 bitcoinpete: why is france so gay?
02:19:53 kakobrekla: the poor seems to be the main concern
02:20:23 bitcoinpete: as if they're sucking sweden's strength
02:20:51 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: also, pleasantly surprised to see myself on the aristocratic side of you/assetsvoice
02:22:19 kakobrekla: such is life
02:23:48 bitcoinpete: quite
02:24:27 bitcoinpete: i've definitely been cracking a few eggs around the bitcoin expo in toronto.
02:24:40 bitcoinpete: there's much teaching/unteaching to do here
02:25:42 bitcoinpete: much bowing to the foundation/ethereum/vc moolah/blahblah
02:25:56 kakobrekla: ah
02:26:10 kakobrekla: i dunno if there is success to be had there
02:26:22 bitcoinpete: lulz at least
02:27:10 bitcoinpete: and reputation to be established when all their thingies break and they remember that this was foretold
02:27:25 kakobrekla: !up TestingUnoDosTre
02:27:33 bitcoinpete: also, straightening of records re: mpex
02:27:38 TestingUnoDosTre: muchisimas gracias
02:28:57 thestringpuller: ;;ticker
02:30:08 bitcoinpete: that bitstamp volume seems low
02:31:23 TestingUnoDosTre: whats new
02:31:26 kakobrekla: with all the account locking, i wouldnt be so surprised
02:32:28 mircea_popescu: khersonus wanted to do options just as the spot market is disintegrating.
02:33:57 TestingUnoDosTre: khersonus ?
02:35:38 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;google khersonus
02:39:08 cgcardona_: This is the first time I've needed to verify my identity w/ a chatroom in that way. seems like a pretty powerful idea.
02:41:17 cgcardona_: so what exactly is the assbot -> gribble relationship? I auth/verify w/ gribble but the assbot is the room's bot? Any reason for having two bots for that?
02:41:47 *: moiety has misplaced frustration at this film
02:42:11 cgcardona_: gotta geotag all your frustration. That way you'll never misplace it.
02:42:33 moiety: lol
02:43:09 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ it is a very powerful idea
02:43:35 artifexd: assbot queries gribble for your ident status and gettrust relation to assbot.
02:44:12 mircea_popescu: the gribble-assbot relation is somewhat akin to the google-dns relation. one predates the other, and rather than it be reimplemented gratuitously, it's just used isntead.
02:44:22 cgcardona_: i see
02:47:30 TestingUnoDosTre: february profit was 7968 BTC?
05:44:46 jurov: imsogay, morning wood, eh?
05:46:54 jurov: context for poor logreaders: *** [\\\\\\\\\\\\\\] is now known as [\\\]
05:50:48 moiety: something up with nickserv atm?
05:51:12 jurov: no just imsaguy swelling and shrinking
05:51:22 cgcardona_: yea nickserv's laggin for me too
05:51:40 cgcardona_: nickswerve
05:51:54 jurov: there are helluva splits... i was here alone for half hour
05:51:57 [\]: jurov, it is saturday night after all ;)
05:52:05 [\]: jurov, we lost some hubs.
05:52:25 jurov: lucky you
05:52:38 jurov: i have sunday morning
05:52:49 jurov: and not slept at all
05:52:53 jurov: :(
06:08:50 cgcardona_: yea that split was brutal.
06:09:08 cgcardona_: I just shut down my client for the whole time cause I was all alone
06:09:12 cgcardona_: foreveralone.jpg
06:09:46 moiety: jurov: what time is it with you? ive not slept wither, 7:09 here
06:09:57 moiety: either*
06:09:59 jurov: 8:09
06:10:20 moiety: dont wantto miss something at 7:35 // ahh kk why didn't you sleep?
06:10:46 cgcardona_: ;;gettrust assbot
06:10:58 jurov: i was nervous and could not calm down
06:11:20 jurov: most likely explanation is that i'm in love and wanted to be with him yest
06:11:36 jurov: but he had no time for completely stupid reasons
06:11:59 jurov: *nervous -> upset
06:12:50 cgcardona_: how do I get on assbot"s wot?
06:13:10 cgcardona_: wow that sentence reads strangely
06:13:19 jurov: bribe someone that's in assbot's trust list?
06:13:22 cgcardona_: ah I see
06:13:25 cgcardona_: got it
06:13:54 cgcardona_: I'm still trying to fully understand the wot
06:14:02 cgcardona_: wotupwidit
06:15:12 jurov: :)
06:15:18 jurov: it's really not so hard, just become slave to a piece of shitty code that has something to do with mpex
06:15:34 jurov: and then you can enjoy the privileges
06:16:16 jurov: wow i'm still really in bad mood.. better go retry sleep now
06:17:43 cgcardona_: heh
06:27:30 moiety: hope you feel better after a sleep jurov
06:30:47 cgcardona_: ;;gettrust mgk
06:40:28 fluffypony: ;;ident
06:40:55 fluffypony: netsplits.
06:43:50 moiety: nickserv is having a stroke today
07:18:47 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
07:19:03 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
09:11:20 bounce: ``[Erik Naggum] disliked C++, though not as much as he hated Perl, but he generally thought that C++ was too difficult to understand to such a degree that only about 5 people on the planet truly understood it and hence was of little value for humanity.'' (wikipedia) -- how's that for an elitist language, eh. jealous much? *gdr*
10:26:38 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TestingUnoDosTre yes
10:29:05 mircea_popescu: jurov: but he had no time for completely stupid reasons << aww!
10:31:06 mircea_popescu: omfg teh butthurt!
10:42:27 mircea_popescu: also, fresh from the pointless factoids department: every day this week days is gonna be the same backwards. 4/12/14 through 4/19/14.
10:47:51 bounce: what silly backward country are you in, anyway?
10:48:50 mircea_popescu: romania. what gave it away ?
10:49:23 bounce: the nuxi problems
10:49:54 mircea_popescu: ;;google "nuxi problem"
10:50:10 mircea_popescu: da fuck ?!
10:50:20 mircea_popescu: oh oh bwahaha
10:51:15 mircea_popescu: i'll have you known that the biggest endian fail is MIDDLE ENDIAN
10:51:21 mircea_popescu: like you know, teh us does it.
10:52:23 bounce: hence ISO8601. and yet...
10:52:30 mircea_popescu: myeah.
11:12:56 bounce: just read through defusedxml's list of things that can go wrong with xml. just have to wonder how those financial types using FIX handle this, if at all.
11:34:22 jurov: hm, seems like mircea_popescu recently got a propensity to solutions that break under bad external circumstances
11:34:33 jurov: it took assbot 5 minutes to give me voice
11:34:43 jurov: because gribble is slow
11:36:22 jurov: it has a feel of rogirous math publication, yet it's brimming with unsolved problems
11:36:36 jurov: *rigorous
11:37:23 jurov: such as, turing-complete computations are bounded and paid for by "gas" allocated
11:37:24 bounce: but! aristocracy! can't make things too easy, don't you know.
11:38:02 jurov: yet i don't see a good nethod to verify gas expended without redoing whoiole computation
11:42:18 mircea_popescu: jurov you shouldn't have voice anyway because not enough sleep!
11:42:19 jurov: yea, and it strives to avoid evil ASICs but as presumably they can't think of one, it will start with a placeholder one
11:43:06 mircea_popescu: bounce http://fraudsters.com/2014/china-is-the-place-to-be/
11:43:06 mircea_popescu: i suggest you learn from one man's discipline!
11:43:06 jurov: i did sleep some, it helped :)
11:43:07 jurov: *one = proof of work function
11:43:53 mircea_popescu: now that's a fucking accomplishment, excess flood while muted. guy prolly went all spaz
11:44:39 mircea_popescu: !up MCM-Mike
11:45:01 mircea_popescu: nanotube dja need some help hosting gribble ?
11:47:09 *: jurov reads
11:47:24 jurov: mircea u got cockblocked too or what?
11:48:26 mircea_popescu: what's that ?
11:49:07 jurov: ;;ud cockblocked
11:49:08 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Cockblocked
11:49:33 jurov: or what inspired you for that blog
11:50:33 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha this is a thing ?
11:51:07 mircea_popescu: i wish to see it sometime. but anyway, no, just the notion of attaching penalty to speech makes me want to attach speech to the entire matter.
11:51:09 mircea_popescu: and also, goats.
11:51:18 fluffypony: yeah it's happened to me before
11:51:30 fluffypony: normally when her friend/sister knows you and your reputation
11:51:33 fluffypony: and wants to "save" her from you
11:51:54 fluffypony: so she hangs around whining about how much the place sucks and she wants to go home
11:52:05 fluffypony: and every joke you make she keeps a deadpan face and says "that isn't funny"
11:52:31 mircea_popescu: fluffypony this always happens. girl decides to fly over to be my slave, family hosts an intervention, we laugh at it afterwards.
11:52:53 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: hah, interventions are for quitters
11:53:06 mircea_popescu: same principle.
11:53:22 mircea_popescu: "do what a buncha dorks getting in your face tell you to"
11:53:32 mircea_popescu: sorta like marketeer's wet dream.
11:53:38 fluffypony: lol
11:53:55 moiety: dafuq is going in that picture?
11:54:06 moiety: actually i dont want to know
11:56:23 moiety: - 'Discipline has been good for me' -
11:56:57 fluffypony: yeah
11:57:02 fluffypony: I'd like to thank my detention center
11:57:26 mircea_popescu: i guess this increments my forum extraditions by one.
11:58:16 moiety: jail?
11:58:32 moiety: i think they should host btctalk over in china for a bit
12:06:40 fluffypony: !market
12:06:46 fluffypony: wrong channel
12:12:07 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/22wi4p/hey_shibes_i_rarely_have_complaints_about_this/
12:12:20 mircea_popescu: !up cedivad
12:12:22 fluffypony: "Why this matters. Bitcoin is powerful. Bitcoin is wealthy. We do not need to make these people our enemies."
12:12:54 mircea_popescu: fluffypony a little late for that.
12:13:47 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cedivad to be voiced in #bitcoin-assets, first you id with gribble, then you pm assbot !up
12:17:48 mircea_popescu: ;;rate cedivad 1 bitcointa.lk
12:17:58 mircea_popescu: meh.
12:20:24 mircea_popescu: !up CheckDavid
12:29:49 mircea_popescu: !up cedivad
12:33:48 cedivad: my lazy client is simply reconnecting automatically every time that i power it on/off... Not sure of why i should be "voiced"?
12:34:00 mircea_popescu: just making sure you know how if you want to.
12:35:00 cedivad: well, i've nothing smart to say, i'm sorry. I've just finished to write a complaint i will send to the public inquiry unit of california, nothing interesting (hashfast sucks)
12:35:34 cedivad: btw i fixed the stupid bug that made bitcointa.lk lose posts every night starting from 3am
12:35:51 mircea_popescu: lol well you never know, maybe something smart strikes :D
12:36:07 mircea_popescu: did your hashfast chips blow out ?
12:37:10 cedivad: nah, i simply never received them, you know, arbitration against them, they will probably take everything they can out of the company and declare bankrupcty
12:37:43 mircea_popescu: o wow srsly ? i thought they were actually delivering.
12:38:10 cedivad: they haven't delivered shit during the last month or two; they are mining themselves probably
12:38:21 cedivad: and ship it as a MPP in a few months
12:38:49 mircea_popescu: ah so they shipped some units earlier in the year to lure more orders then just stopped basically ?!
12:39:09 cedivad: basically, yes
12:39:26 cedivad: they are using third parties to claim to be bankrupted (using it as an excuse for the delay in shipping)
12:39:34 mircea_popescu: pretty fucking scandalous.
12:39:41 cedivad: and in the meanwhile they are selling their chips to third parties (like vmc)
12:40:14 mircea_popescu: basically the list of mining companies that don't also turn scams is vanishingly slow.
12:40:21 cedivad: nothing is scandalous anymore in the mining industry... what i would love is to see them stopped and in jail
12:40:22 mircea_popescu: at most they run for a year or two
12:40:41 mircea_popescu: s/slow/short
12:41:00 ozbot: List of Lies - HashFast Wiki
12:41:09 cedivad: yeah, i wrote that
12:42:06 mircea_popescu: you gotta start a blog sometime.
12:42:28 cedivad: and what should i talk about? hashfast? :D
12:42:36 mircea_popescu: inconfutable isn't english. irrefutable or incontrovertible.
12:42:51 mircea_popescu: cedivad the reason i say blog is because you seem to have a lot to talk about. bitcointalk, hashfast, etc.
12:43:19 cedivad: basically by forcing them to disclose the delivery dates in the contract with TSMC you could have a smoking gun to use against them in a fraud proceeding
12:44:08 mircea_popescu: seems bitcoin infrastructure needs an overhaul.
12:44:39 cedivad: * irrefutable fixed
12:44:41 mircea_popescu: anyway, car's here, ima bbl.
13:22:20 jurov: !up cedivad
13:22:41 jurov: i don't write very often on the blog. but it's good to have.
13:27:18 cedivad: i actually have one, but i never really wrote about hashfast, bitcointa.lk or any other of my web-related experiences (i manage some really huge websites)...
13:42:53 jurov: gonna start sometime
13:43:34 jurov: if for nothing else, there need to be more sane voices
13:53:26 kakobrekla: mornin
13:53:59 Apocalyptic: mornin
13:54:13 Apocalyptic: heh blockr.io completely bugged because of btc-e down
13:55:02 Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, tell your guys they can add timeouts on queries on external websites you know
14:00:15 kakobrekla: hm
14:00:17 kakobrekla: works here?
14:03:15 Apocalyptic: weird then
14:12:01 benkay: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: google did the same thing with python. spot/coopt an emerging thingy of whatever quality, hire its writers and most active folks, all of a sudden you have access to the best talent in newlang world. speshully the young and easily bamboozled, who get to 'work' 'closely' with the designers of their language.
14:15:05 thestringpuller: benkay
14:15:07 thestringpuller: go to bed
14:15:48 thestringpuller: benkay teach me lisp
14:15:49 BingoBoingo: ;;rate HeySteve 1 Did a thing with words
14:16:09 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: did you get that thing i sent you?
14:16:21 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Yeah, thanks
14:17:04 thestringpuller: i jav
14:17:11 thestringpuller: i need to update it
14:17:54 thestringpuller: maybe you can help. eventually i was hoping to have a script that pulled an insult from the list...
14:18:21 BingoBoingo: Maybe. I'd need to github set up
14:19:37 HeySteve: (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
14:30:53 benkay: thestringpuller: got plenty of sleep, tyvm.
14:32:08 thestringpuller: ;;ticker
14:54:22 ozbot: Charge Your Phone in 30 Seconds? An Israeli Firm Says It Can - Digits - WSJ
14:54:47 ozbot: Log In - The New York Times
14:56:09 ThickAsThieves: such fucking doublespeak
14:56:59 ThickAsThieves: they're all like We now have rules that gov should report discovered flaws, but yknow, we wont report shit if we like it that way
14:57:08 ThickAsThieves: so, no news
15:02:39 ozbot: Andreessen: Beware Non-Silicon Valley Investors Bearing High Valuations - Venture Capital Dispatch
15:02:41 benkay: wish i had problems like that
15:09:56 ThickAsThieves: username dignork is sending spam pm's
15:10:20 BingoBoingo: How spammy?
15:12:11 pankkake: ;;ident dignork
15:12:40 fluffypony: [17:12:29] -NickServ- dignork has enabled nick protection
15:12:50 fluffypony: I doubt it's someone else?
15:15:50 pankkake: !up dignork
15:15:53 pankkake: lol
15:16:07 benkay: !up dignork
15:16:13 asciilifeform: Charge Your Phone in 30 Seconds << let's do math
15:16:26 benkay: whee! maf!
15:16:38 asciilifeform: 'ipnohe' battery - 1.430 ampere-hours, 3.7v
15:16:49 dignork: ThickAsThieves, sorry, the message was intended to kakobrekla, about the 30 sec message
15:16:59 asciilifeform: ;;calc 1.430 * 3.7
15:17:02 asciilifeform: watt-hours
15:17:16 asciilifeform: ;;calc 5.291 * 3600
15:17:18 asciilifeform: joules
15:17:43 dignork: asciilifeform, it's because they charge their own battery: http://phys.org/news/2014-04-storedot-second-battery.html
15:17:44 asciilifeform: ;;calc 19047.6 / 30.0
15:17:54 asciilifeform: joules per second when charging in 30 sec
15:18:12 asciilifeform: aka watts
15:18:33 asciilifeform: need we say more?
15:19:09 benkay: gon' get hot.
15:19:26 kakobrekla: yea well of course you cant charge the battery so fast out of thin air
15:19:55 asciilifeform: lithium cells already have interesting problems when the safety fuse, for whatever reason, fails to blow
15:20:10 kakobrekla: anyway these battery 'revolutions' come once a week, for the past, i dunno, 10 years
15:20:13 asciilifeform: thus, what can charge in 30 seconds can almost certainly discharge in... 1.
15:20:15 asciilifeform: or 0.01
15:20:18 kakobrekla: we still use same shit.
15:20:21 asciilifeform: boom.
15:21:25 kakobrekla: <assbot> Insufficient rights, pankkake. < cause of the split :\
15:21:34 pankkake: yeah, I figured, I'm auth again
15:21:47 asciilifeform: anyone who knows of, say, a MOSFET rated for 600W, that fits in a phone, please wake me up
15:21:49 asciilifeform: i could use one.
15:24:15 asciilifeform: likewise, go and put 600W for 30 sec. through a phone-sized piece of whatever material you like, then put it in your pocket, get back to us.
15:24:33 dignork: asciilifeform, originally they where talking about new type of battery which can be charged fast, not too amazing since there are supercapacitor batteries already.
15:24:48 ThickAsThieves: i had a macbook pro with an ""exploding" battery once
15:24:50 asciilifeform: dignork: worth investigating the properties of actual, rather than mythical, supercaps
15:24:54 asciilifeform: you can buy them
15:25:00 asciilifeform: buy one, experiment
15:25:04 ThickAsThieves: i was so stoked cuz i bought it with money from winning a juried art show
15:25:09 asciilifeform: they have gigantic internal resistance
15:25:16 ThickAsThieves: then the next morning it was all swelling
15:27:36 asciilifeform: if the 'mythical holy grail battery' were ever to appear, you will know about it - not from idiot press releases and grantsmanship, but - from laser pistol fire in the streets.
15:27:50 asciilifeform: ;;lasers
15:28:08 ThickAsThieves: how to protect myself from the laser apocalypse?
15:28:12 ThickAsThieves: mirror shields?
15:28:16 ThickAsThieves: :)
15:28:30 kakobrekla: wear sunglasses at night
15:28:47 dignork: asciilifeform, sparfun toy: https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Components/TS12S-R.pdf, rated/max current 1750/4500, probably in mA
15:29:40 asciilifeform: dignork: right, these.
15:29:59 asciilifeform: dignork: notice the internal resistance given for specific currents?
15:30:08 dignork: asciilifeform, so the current listed is for discharge?
15:30:11 asciilifeform: dignork: that's because it's non-linear.
15:31:51 asciilifeform: if ultracaps did not have large internal resistance, you would not ever want to be near, much less carry, a charged one
15:32:32 dignork: asciilifeform, this datasheet is horrible, looks like they list different devices, and for 10F device there is only one max resistance - 80 at 3A
15:32:58 dignork: asciilifeform, talking about sparcfun datasheet
15:33:00 asciilifeform: the chemistry of the ultracap gives it intrinsically high resistance
15:33:47 asciilifeform: which makes it a useful gadget, for powering clocks, etc. rather than what would amount to an unstable explosive.
15:35:38 asciilifeform: if you want a portable gizmo that can be 'charged' in seconds, without carrying a bomb, fuel cells on butane (as in cigarette lighter) are probably your ticket.
15:37:12 asciilifeform: you can move fuels, unlike electric charge, without gigantic thermal losses
15:38:28 asciilifeform: and, assuming you are storing only fuel and not oxidizer, you can safely carry it without fear of it releasing all of the energy stored therein within a second
15:39:24 asciilifeform: but, fossil-fueled phones aren't 'sexy', or 'green', whatever.
15:40:00 kakobrekla: micro RTG? :)
15:40:13 fluffypony: rtg?
15:40:19 fluffypony: oh nm
15:40:21 fluffypony: thanks wikipedia
15:40:23 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: buy a 'traser' keychain. solar cells. you can get a few microamps.
15:40:56 kakobrekla: meh solar
15:41:07 kakobrekla: havent you seen the matrix?
15:41:10 asciilifeform: strap a 'peltier' to your wrist. body heat. a milliamp or so.
15:41:25 kakobrekla: ah you have seen it.
15:41:27 kakobrekla: :D
15:42:08 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if i recall, the original script for the film called for the robot overlords to use mankind as distributed computing elements, rather than 'batteries'
15:42:15 asciilifeform: but this was later 'dumbed down.'
15:42:50 kakobrekla: robots use mankind as computing elements come on
15:42:57 kakobrekla: what sort of a sick joke is this
15:43:05 asciilifeform: less of one than 'battery'
15:43:41 dignork: kakobrekla, they use humans to solve capcha
15:43:49 kakobrekla: dignork :DD
15:45:07 kakobrekla: i dont think its optimal to keep the whole brain and whole human alive to compute some stuff
15:45:19 fluffypony: asciilifeform: yeah I remember something like that too, the battery thing was done to make it more accessible
15:45:23 kakobrekla: the machines surely would have figured that out
15:45:58 fluffypony: I don't play games often, but damn the Civilization: Beyond Earth trailer makes me want to play again
15:46:02 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what we do with farm animals isn't exactly optimal
15:46:20 fluffypony: and it's going to be on Linux
15:46:27 asciilifeform: 'We shall escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts separately under a suitable medium.'
15:46:31 asciilifeform: (winston churchill)
15:46:54 kakobrekla: yes that is happening nowdays
15:47:10 asciilifeform: ever eat a cultured cell?
15:47:15 asciilifeform: try it
15:47:22 kakobrekla: no i cant say i have
15:47:42 cgcardona_: damn cryptsy is slow- withdrew 7 different coins about 24 hrs ago and the transactions are still *pending*
15:47:48 kakobrekla: you tried it?
15:47:56 asciilifeform: how about a herbivorous insect, like cicada
15:48:02 asciilifeform: they taste like grass.
15:48:07 asciilifeform: 'you are what you eat
15:48:07 asciilifeform: '
15:48:26 asciilifeform: the simpler the metabolism, the more so.
15:49:36 cgcardona_: what is the general take in here on altcoins? cool to discuss or not here?
15:50:09 cgcardona_: i've been pretty excited about master coin and colored coins
15:50:27 cgcardona_: and of course I've been dabbling in alt just cause I like the idea of cryptos in general
15:51:36 benkay: cgcardona_: are they actually in the memory pool or has cryptsy not broadcast them yet?
15:52:23 cgcardona_: it looks like cryptsy hasn't broadcast them yet. cause I created new addresses for each withdraw/coin and I'm not seeing those addresses show up on any blockchains yet
15:52:38 kakobrekla: asciilifeform i guess we wait until humans manage to grow functional brains on a petri dish, then the argument will be settled.
15:52:50 cgcardona_: i've read online that 24 hrs has happened to other people. so I'm gonna wait until later today before I contact support.
15:53:21 benkay: cgcardona_: altcoins are always worth talking about, although some more than others.
15:53:40 cgcardona_: awesome. my thoughts exactly
15:56:02 cgcardona_: i'm wondering how the alt coin scene will change w/ the arrival of mastercoin and/or colored coins and/or sidechains. If I understand correctly these will layer abstractions upon bitcoin which will use a satoshi as a level of abstraction to represent anything (stock option, gold bar, keys to a car, deed to a house, etc). If that's the case then all that value should be driven back into the bitcoin blockchain right?
15:56:15 cgcardona_: which would seemingly push the value of an individual btc highter.
16:00:22 ThickAsThieves: more likely, they will do nothing but liberate bitcoins from those who dont deserve them
16:00:42 ThickAsThieves: at least for the forseeable future
16:03:16 cgcardona_: ThickAsThieves: can you explain what you mean by that? How will they accomplish that?
16:06:25 ThickAsThieves: depends on the specific case, but, for example, some of these things require you to "burn" coins, or somewhat permanently assign them
16:06:47 ThickAsThieves: if/when that sidething dies, what then?
16:07:00 ThickAsThieves: if/when that sidething scams, what then?
16:07:05 ThickAsThieves: etc
16:07:45 ThickAsThieves: then, take colored coins
16:08:12 ThickAsThieves: the push for them comes from a desire to remove centralized exchanges for stocks or property
16:08:36 ThickAsThieves: but it doesnt remove the risk that the issuer is going to liberate your value
16:08:45 ThickAsThieves: it actually makes it more likely
16:09:01 ThickAsThieves: it also doesnt remove regulatory fears
16:09:09 benkay: basically paper only has value if there's someone with a gun backing that statement of value.
16:09:18 benkay: bitcoin isn't strong enough to enforce alloidal title.
16:09:22 benkay: yet.
16:09:28 ThickAsThieves: it places MORE burden on the issuer of the color
16:09:36 benkay: take danielpbarron for instance
16:09:48 cgcardona_: ThickAsThieves: interesting points. I'll consider them.
16:09:56 ThickAsThieves: !up TestingUnoDosTre
16:09:58 benkay: dude is selling an in-game-currency 'meat' on one of the distributed exchanges
16:10:00 benkay: !up danielpbarron
16:10:19 benkay: nobody is enforcing he honor his contract for meats.
16:11:11 ThickAsThieves: !up TestingUnoDosTre
16:12:02 TestingUnoDosTre: anyone know where the instructions are for this gpg key verification ? can't find in the log
16:12:20 benkay: ("Disclaimer: Blockscan is not responsible for the accuracy of the content listed here.")
16:12:32 benkay: what do you mean by gpg verification, TestingUnoDosTre ?
16:12:39 benkay: decrypting gribble's one-time-pad?
16:13:04 TestingUnoDosTre: no, i mean joining the wot or whatever so I don't have to get voiced up ery 30 minutes
16:13:08 ThickAsThieves: you need to register with WoT and register that same nick with freenode nameserv
16:13:24 ThickAsThieves: someone made a guide i think
16:13:32 ThickAsThieves: not surre if it includes all steps
16:13:32 TestingUnoDosTre: that's what I'm lookin for
16:13:39 benkay: ;;google bitcoin-otc guide wot
16:13:53 TestingUnoDosTre: whoops, was looking in teh wrong log
16:13:57 ThickAsThieves: ;;google #bitcoin-assets +m
16:14:15 ozbot: Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki
16:14:58 benkay: basically
16:15:15 benkay: ;;eregister <wot name> <pgp long id>
16:15:43 benkay: ;;everify <decrypted blob returned from previous command>
16:15:53 fluffypony: ,,gg
16:16:05 fluffypony: ,,bg
16:16:21 fluffypony: only works on -otc
16:16:21 fluffypony: [18:16:11] <+fluffypony> ,,bg
16:16:36 benkay: ;;bg
16:16:40 benkay: huh.
16:16:42 fluffypony: yeah I know
16:16:47 fluffypony: it's ,, not ;; for that
16:16:50 fluffypony: I have nfi why
16:17:17 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;ident TestingUnoDosTre
16:19:06 benkay: although i guess xcp is a limited time burn thing?
16:19:17 benkay: which is scamcoin red flag of the highest order.
16:19:22 fluffypony: yeah
16:19:27 fluffypony: you could only burn at the beginning
16:19:31 fluffypony: I don't think you can burn now
16:20:30 benkay: abhorrent.
16:21:58 cgcardona_: I just recently registered for this room. I had to register my nick w/ nickserv. Then w/ gribble i `register cgcardona_ <gpg ID>`. gribble replies w/ a challenge string which I then signed w/ my gpg key and put on to pastebin. Then to gribble I said `verify <pastebin url>` and my registration was good. Now to assbot I ca n`!up` and it works. Each time to register w/ gribble I `auth cgcardona_ ` to which it replies w/ anoth
16:21:59 cgcardona_: challenge string that I again sign and put on pastebin.
16:22:12 cgcardona_: not sure if that helps of if that's all extremely obvious for everyone in here.
16:22:40 cgcardona_: *helps at all
16:23:01 benkay: if you do ;;eauth cgcardona_ , you can decrypt the otp you get in return and then ;;everify that string
16:23:28 benkay: a little script that curl otp-url.php | gpg -d | pbcopy on os x is how i do things
16:23:37 benkay: so that i can just ;;everify (cmd p)
16:23:57 fluffypony: benkay: "The protocol was coded to create XCP on any address that sent less than or equal to 1 BTC to 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr between blocks 278310 and 283810 This was written right into the open-source code. So no individual had to be trusted to accept money then distribute a genesis block like with Next, Mastercoin, Emunie, Ethereum, Levelcoin (ipo scam), Visacoin (ipo scam)"
16:24:00 fluffypony: from reddit
16:24:07 cgcardona_: cool I'll check that out benkay
16:25:09 benkay: fluffypony: these initial burns are just as much a crime as premining.
16:25:32 fluffypony: benkay: I actually don't understand the point of this at all
16:25:32 cgcardona_: very interesting. I'd not heard that argument before.
16:26:05 benkay: (^^ wtf am i supposed to do? examine every thing individually??)
16:26:14 cgcardona_: so you're saying it's like premining in the sense that the people creating the coins which need to be burned in to are starting the game with a bunch of the new coins for themselves?
16:27:04 fluffypony: benkay: presumably the active ones will punt their asset?
16:27:27 benkay: the whole thing is a punt
16:27:40 benkay: look, an exchange is by definition a place people gather to exchange a thing
16:27:58 benkay: if i have to go to bitcointalk.org to read about your 'asset', you've failed.
16:28:19 fluffypony: agreed
16:29:13 fluffypony: I also don't see what's wrong (fundamentally) with an exchange being a central point of issuance/authority/failure, as long as it's not built and run like mtgox or litecoininvest or whatever
16:29:43 benkay: it is a time honored practice, this centralizing of important things.
16:29:45 benkay: docks
16:29:48 benkay: banks
16:29:50 benkay: libraries
16:30:03 cgcardona_: ok then can I spin it as all of the burn in coins will just remove btc from the blockchain thus driving value to the blockchain a la' "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."
16:30:20 benkay: but you just burnt bitcoins.
16:30:27 benkay: they're gone forever.
16:30:37 benkay: n/21 million gone.
16:30:38 cgcardona_: right - and satoshi's quote says "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."
16:30:50 cgcardona_: my last question was partially in jest
16:31:24 benkay: donations to everyone are not needed.
16:31:50 benkay: when the world economy is denominated in btc, these pennies will not materially affect how much or less i can buy with my btc.
16:32:31 benkay: economy size being fixed, and my share of the pool being fixed (income aside)
16:32:41 cgcardona_: but who is to say it will only be pennies? What if someone were to burn 75% of all btc into other coins. that would surely affect the price of the remaining btc by more than pennies.
16:32:55 benkay: price, and today.
16:33:18 ThickAsThieves: the pie is 100% no matter ho0w many slices
16:33:23 ThickAsThieves: this is the point
16:33:42 benkay: besides, it's a garbage example. anyone controlling significant numbers of btc won't be burning significant numbers of them. maybe the odd equivalent of a buttcoin to see some derps flail with their piggyback chains, but not a significant number.
16:34:07 cgcardona_: i personally agree with you. but I don't think I can speak for "anyone controlling significant numbers of btc"
16:34:15 cgcardona_: people act irrationally
16:34:32 cgcardona_: and we dont know what jesus coins may arrive in the future. people may be incentivized to burn coins en mass
16:34:45 cgcardona_: but actually I agree w/ you overall. just arguing the point for the sake of clarity
16:34:56 ThickAsThieves: people may grow unihorns too
16:34:56 benkay: and the earth may orbit backwards tomorrow.
16:35:01 cgcardona_: :D
16:35:03 asciilifeform: best racket will be to 'burn,' rather than burn.
16:35:41 fluffypony: asciilifeform yeah
16:35:58 fluffypony: given a sufficiently powerful vanity address generator
16:36:03 fluffypony: you could convince people it's a burner
16:36:24 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;eregister TestingUnoDosTre DFBEC17DF96DFB77
16:36:50 cgcardona_: so let me see if I understand. I tell people I'm creating cgcardona_coin and that they need to burn coins into 1cgcardonafuckingrulesAdfusd address which is actually my personal address?
16:36:52 fluffypony: that sentence was all wrong, but you get my drift
16:36:59 benkay: btw TestingUnoDosTre that OTP url is unique for the duration of your use of that key. so feel free to hard code it into any scripts you write.
16:37:11 fluffypony: cgcardona_: yes, that burner address was 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr
16:37:13 TestingUnoDosTre: nice
16:37:20 cgcardona_: fluffypony: ah ok I'm getting it now
16:37:27 fluffypony: to generate that with vanitygen or oclvanitygen would take more time than there is on the sun
16:37:37 benkay: time on the sun nice
16:37:51 cgcardona_: haha
16:38:00 benkay: i've heard of mixed metaphors, but you blended that one
16:38:01 ThickAsThieves: *could* take more time
16:38:09 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves is right
16:38:10 fluffypony: could take
16:38:31 benkay: mhm.
16:38:37 benkay: burning. considered stupid.
16:38:46 cgcardona_: glad we had this talk.
16:39:00 fluffypony: stumbling across a randomly generated BTC privkey that is for an address with funds is equally possible and probably more likely
16:39:00 cgcardona_: i had been buying into the mastercoin and colored coins hype
16:39:01 fluffypony: :-P
16:40:03 ThickAsThieves: glad you asked!
16:40:11 benkay: distributed autonomous corporations
16:40:15 benkay: ick
16:40:16 ThickAsThieves: ick
16:40:18 ThickAsThieves: lol
16:40:34 benkay: getting a bit echo-y in here...
16:40:54 ThickAsThieves: asschamber
16:41:41 benkay: an individual suggesting a business could be run on algorithms is demonstrating why that person is unsuited to make claims about businesses.
16:42:22 benkay: even your gambling operation will need human intervention from time to time.
16:42:41 benkay: unless you hook the cold wallet up to the robot too, which, anathema.
16:42:58 fluffypony: yeah
16:43:18 fluffypony: that's why the whole Internet marketing / Warrior Forum thing is such a clever scam
16:43:25 fluffypony: because they keep advertising things as "hands off"
16:43:35 ThickAsThieves: one day i want to grow up and be a DAC cab company owner
16:43:53 fluffypony: like you're just going to start this auto-blogging thing and it'll go and you won't need to touch it and the funds will just flow in
16:44:08 benkay: "you don't even need to know anything!"
16:44:14 benkay: get. the. fuck. out.
16:44:43 fluffypony: passive income is not a thing unless you happen to write a massive single that will be played for the next 100 years, or write a timeless book that will be sold for the next 100 years
16:44:57 benkay: 500k in the bank
16:45:01 benkay: move to thailand
16:45:20 fluffypony: ask MisterE about that:-P
16:45:29 cgcardona_: fluffypony: more accurately if you *produce* a massive single. writers/performers get screwed as well
16:45:30 benkay: or 500B, live off the deflationary behavior
16:45:35 benkay: in like 30 years
16:45:57 ThickAsThieves: fluffypony even music income isnt passive
16:46:05 ThickAsThieves: needs lawyers, enforcement, etc
16:46:09 fluffypony: and concerts and promotions
16:46:09 cgcardona_: ^
16:46:17 fluffypony: and book signings
16:46:21 fluffypony: and TV appearances
16:46:30 cgcardona_: and flavored drinks
16:46:36 cgcardona_: (i'm looking at you 50 cent)
16:46:37 fluffypony: heh
16:46:40 ThickAsThieves: plus who the fuck pays for music anymore?
16:46:42 fluffypony: "new fluffypony cola"
16:46:44 benkay: wow hey i just realized a thing
16:46:52 benkay: code tutorials with product placement
16:47:14 ThickAsThieves: this code brought to you by Mountain Dew
16:47:24 benkay: var MountainDew = "yourbutt"
16:47:27 cgcardona_: haha
16:47:37 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I do peripherally - I have a Songza premium sub ($0.99 a week) and a Rdio Unlimited subscription ($10/month)
16:47:39 benkay: great hustle
16:47:41 fluffypony: but I don't pay per song
16:47:55 ThickAsThieves: well i do too, but yknow
16:48:00 benkay: impossible to find anything on those damn services
16:48:06 cgcardona_: I pay for music at live shows quite often. That's where the real hustle is
16:48:10 ThickAsThieves: so far pandora wins
16:48:16 ThickAsThieves: great at finding new music
16:48:19 fluffypony: Rdio is actually really awesome - you can "sync" stuff to mobile, which basically just downloads the songs and stores them in the app
16:48:29 fluffypony: so kinda like buying it and having a local copy except not
16:48:32 cgcardona_: yea spotify does that as well
16:48:41 ThickAsThieves: fluffypony they all do that
16:48:45 benkay: kinda almost like copying the file and putting it on a device
16:48:47 benkay: o.O
16:48:50 ThickAsThieves: lol
16:48:53 fluffypony: lol
16:48:56 cgcardona_: haaha!
16:49:01 cgcardona_: except they can take it whenever they want!
16:49:04 benkay: except shittier and stupid.
16:49:12 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yeah but none of them have been available in South Africa till Rdio came along
16:49:30 kakobrekla: !up TestingUnoDosTre
16:49:49 ThickAsThieves: !up TestingUnoDosTre
16:49:58 kakobrekla: ty
16:50:00 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;eregister TestingUnoDosTre DFBEC17DF96DFB77
16:50:19 ThickAsThieves: yw
16:50:43 cgcardona_: omg 'proof-of-burn' is actually a thing
16:50:51 cgcardona_: i thought that was just the greatest stoner joke ever
16:51:48 fluffypony: heh
16:52:04 benkay: proof of burn is a great way to get people to buy into your thing
16:52:52 benkay: do it, now you have this tiny network of people who need to see the value of their coins increase. they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea.
16:53:19 benkay: plus, you now have an entirely constricted supply.
16:53:58 benkay: consider a bitcoin thing; an alt chain, a piggyback thing, whatever it is.
16:54:37 cgcardona_: "they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea." - couldn't you say the same thing about most people who have a vested interest in something succeeding?
16:54:42 benkay: if it throws away big important parts of bitcoin (like say distributing supply semi-randomly according to capital power, the txn processing network), it's probably fucking stupid.
16:54:55 benkay: cgcardona_: bitcoin especially
16:55:02 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;;verify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d9e4395d378eb882437ec77d6fb080db6aedf418eb220b117fbfc9c1
16:55:07 benkay: ;;everify
16:55:09 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d9e4395d378eb882437ec77d6fb080db6aedf418eb220b117fbfc9c1
16:55:17 fluffypony: wd TestingUnoDosTre
16:55:21 TestingUnoDosTre: now I just need some trust!?
16:55:33 fluffypony: specifically you need to be in assbot's primary trust
16:55:36 cgcardona_: TestingUnoDosTre: so does that mean you don't have to reauth everytime you come into the room?
16:55:39 benkay: or secondary
16:55:42 benkay: ;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre
16:55:43 fluffypony: or secondary
16:55:46 benkay: ;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre assbot
16:55:58 cgcardona_: ;;gettrust benkay
16:56:18 benkay: ;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 an entity.
16:56:37 benkay: let the rating dilutions begin.
16:57:08 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;gettrust TEstingUnoDosTre
16:57:09 benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: you can now !up yourself via pm with assbot
16:57:22 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot TestingUnoDosTre
16:57:37 TestingUnoDosTre: do I have to add trust to assbot?
16:57:40 fluffypony: nope
16:57:40 TestingUnoDosTre: or rate
16:57:52 benkay: no, it works the other way around.
16:57:55 cgcardona_: so I'm able to up myself but I have no trust w/ assbot. how is that working?
16:58:05 benkay: ;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 still using a web client
16:58:13 benkay: ;;gettrust cgcardona_ assbot
16:58:17 TestingUnoDosTre: :D
16:58:27 benkay: !down cgcardona_
16:58:33 benkay: !up cgcardona_
16:58:39 benkay: !down cgcardona_
16:58:42 TestingUnoDosTre: !up TestingUnoDosTre
16:58:48 benkay: fascinating.
16:58:57 benkay: you !up yourself in pm with assbot, TestingUnoDosTre
16:59:02 TestingUnoDosTre: gotcha
16:59:20 benkay: cgcardona_: can you really up yourself? would you demonstrate that?
16:59:22 benkay: ;;ident cgcardona_
16:59:25 cgcardona_: sure
16:59:34 cgcardona_: just did it
16:59:43 benkay: so part and then rejoin
16:59:47 cgcardona_: ok
16:59:49 cgcardona_: brb
17:00:06 kakobrekla: asciilifeform what was that recent blogpost link re dont come to merrica again?
17:00:18 benkay: ;;ident cgcardona_
17:00:33 benkay: ;;ident cgcardona_
17:01:07 benkay: waiting on you, cgcardona_
17:01:44 fluffypony: sweet Harrison Ford AMA
17:01:57 fluffypony: he looks like a wizard
17:01:58 cgcardona_: ok i'm back w/ voice benkay
17:02:11 cgcardona_: the time lag is that I need to reauth w/ gribble each time which takes a second.
17:02:11 benkay: ;;gettrust cgcardona_ assbot
17:02:25 benkay: kakobrekla: what's going on with cgcardona_ ?
17:02:46 benkay: just self-upped with no lvl2 trust to assbot.
17:02:57 benkay: s/to/from
17:03:16 cgcardona_: kakobrekla: gave me a little trust yesterday. i think that was sufficient
17:03:23 cgcardona_: just so that I could !up
17:03:30 benkay: ;;gettrust kakobrekla assbot
17:03:34 cgcardona_: i'm still unclear on how to get trust from assbot
17:03:37 benkay: ;;gettrust kakobrekla cgcardona_
17:04:02 kakobrekla: is gribble bugged?
17:04:06 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_
17:04:24 benkay: no, it's directional.
17:04:24 kakobrekla: well there it is
17:04:27 kakobrekla: yeah
17:04:30 kakobrekla: makes sense
17:04:37 kakobrekla: naughty cgcardona_ didnt rate back,.
17:04:37 benkay: mhm
17:04:50 cgcardona_: kakobrekla: I'm new! will rate right now (googling how)
17:04:55 benkay: uh so i guess this means i have to update ratings
17:04:56 kakobrekla: :D
17:04:57 cgcardona_: still new to wot
17:04:58 kakobrekla: no worries
17:04:59 cgcardona_: :)
17:05:04 TestingUnoDosTre: wwhy did assbot say I wasn't authenticated?
17:05:24 kakobrekla: ;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre
17:05:29 benkay: ;;rate Ssateneth 3 good exchange
17:05:32 kakobrekla: at this point we will need #bitcoin-assets-support
17:05:32 TestingUnoDosTre: hrmph
17:05:42 kakobrekla: s/point/rate
17:05:49 benkay: ;;rate mircea_popescu 3 bitlord
17:06:05 benkay: ;;rate kakobrekla 3 such ops
17:06:27 benkay: ;;rate jurov 2 great to work with
17:06:29 cgcardona_: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 For allowing me to have voince in #bitcoin-assets
17:06:39 benkay: ;;rate mod6 2 monk
17:06:46 benkay: ;;rate davout 2 did not 0day me
17:07:37 kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre does assbot still say you are not authed?
17:07:50 TestingUnoDosTre: looks like it does not
17:08:10 cgcardona_: ;;gettrust cgcardona_
17:08:15 cgcardona_: trust noone ^
17:09:22 TestingUnoDosTre: can't rate myself, what kind of sham is this!?
17:09:32 benkay: ;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 #bitcoin-assets +v
17:11:10 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate dignork 1 helped me register gpg key. Bitcoin-assets support 5 stars *****
17:19:22 cgcardona_: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 For allowing me to have voice in #bitcoin-assets
17:19:27 cgcardona_: fixing typo ^^
17:24:27 Anduck: !up gribble
17:24:34 Anduck: n00b assbot
17:24:37 Anduck: !up anduck
17:24:40 Anduck: wtf
17:24:56 Apocalyptic: <Anduck> !up gribble // he's already upped... as you are
17:25:07 Anduck: well hmm yea
17:27:01 Anduck: !up gribble
17:27:03 Anduck: ok
17:27:14 Anduck: i thought it was because i wasn't authed
17:27:17 Anduck: but now i am =)
17:27:26 Apocalyptic: what are you trying to do ?
17:27:33 Anduck: just testing assbot
17:28:18 bounce: ;;echo !up anduck
17:30:15 kakobrekla: noobs.
17:30:27 Anduck: noobs?
17:30:52 kakobrekla: if you !up yourself via pm with assbot you get all the rights you get
17:31:10 Anduck: why does it say "insufficient rights"?
17:31:20 kakobrekla: you dont get those if you are upped by someone else or if theres a split like it was.
17:31:38 Anduck: !up anduck
17:31:42 Anduck: nice
17:31:52 kakobrekla: you just self pwned yourself
17:31:55 Anduck: i kno
17:31:58 Anduck: i can selfpwn anyone
17:32:01 Anduck: like gribble, right=
17:32:01 Anduck: '
17:32:03 kakobrekla: i found a bug.
17:32:12 Anduck: i found it too =)
17:32:22 Anduck: well, it's not a bug but... that is a bug
17:32:33 Anduck: ;;echo !up assbot
17:32:40 Anduck: !up assbot
17:32:44 Anduck: ahh
17:32:46 Anduck: he doesn't do bots.
17:33:24 kakobrekla: ;;echo !up Assbot
17:33:58 kakobrekla: the problem is, theres a difference between "!up Anduck" and "!up anduck"
17:34:02 Anduck: hmm
17:34:03 Anduck: ok
17:34:03 kakobrekla: i noticed it now.
17:34:05 Anduck: !up Anduck
17:34:13 Anduck: !up anDuck
17:34:18 Anduck: heh
17:34:41 Anduck: !up Gribble
17:34:44 Anduck: shiiit
17:35:01 kakobrekla: just do !down anduck
17:35:10 Anduck: !down Gribble
17:35:14 Anduck: hmm
17:35:29 kakobrekla: down yourself.
17:35:29 Anduck: gribble needs permavoice, though
17:35:33 Anduck: !down anduckj
17:35:34 Anduck: !down anduck
17:35:39 kakobrekla: meh
17:35:47 kakobrekla: no gribble just needs less idiots messing around with stuff
17:35:52 fluffypony: lol, so there's a new Japanese exchange: btcbox.co.jp
17:35:55 fluffypony: from reddit: "Just to clarify, this is not a new Gox. They were only here cos that fat french fuck had to run away from his previous crimes. This exchange appears to be a proper japanese exchange aimed at the Japanese people."
17:36:09 Anduck: haha you just called me an idiot, right? =D
17:36:21 kakobrekla: maybe i did
17:36:49 bounce: timeless lessons of software engineering.
17:36:50 mircea_popescu: sounds legit
17:39:00 ozbot: My wife is complaining that the house is cold.... because we sold our bitcoin miners... : Bitcoin
17:39:02 ThickAsThieves: lol
17:39:09 ThickAsThieves: "And before she was complaining that the house was too noisy... because we had bitcoin miners...
17:39:09 ThickAsThieves: can't win."
17:39:25 ThickAsThieves: "sell your wife next time"
17:39:30 Anduck: should buy noiseless miners
17:39:34 Anduck: bitfurys for example =)
17:40:04 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves until and unless he starts spanking her, definitely.
17:41:21 nubbins`: noiseless wife, even
17:44:57 mircea_popescu: dn?
17:45:14 mircea_popescu: fail.
17:45:33 mircea_popescu: ˙uǝʌǝ ןıɐɟ
17:46:20 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: any reccommendations on what software to use to talk to gpg for automated things?
17:46:51 Anduck: make bash script
17:46:52 fluffypony: uʍop¡
17:47:01 fluffypony: ɟʇʍ 'ʞɹoʍ ʇ,usǝop
17:47:05 mircea_popescu: prolly a bash script'd be the best
17:47:36 fluffypony: ¿ʇoqssɐ oʇ assbot ǝɯɐuǝɹ pןnoɥs ǝʍ ǝqʎɐɯ
17:47:56 benkay: hard question is how best to set up box with gpg on network and wire it to other boxen doing stuff.
17:48:35 mircea_popescu: why on network ? hook them up on serial cable and write your own protocol.
17:48:56 benkay: "network"
17:50:00 benkay: but thx mircea_popescu
17:51:01 bounce: interfacing gpg is clunky to the point there's a library to make it easier, gpgme (haven't checked how much it helps, to me it's just another annoying dependency), though some programs just run the commands and look at the answer strings
17:51:41 thestringpuller: all these unicode characters are killin issi
17:52:24 bounce: though if you go (bourne, not bourne again please) script it's probably a good idea to tell the thing to use "C" for a locale, lest the thing suddenly talks french or something
17:53:04 thestringpuller: bounce: sounds like a problem for pankkake
17:53:17 FabianB: pympex and MPEx.rb use gpgme
17:54:21 thestringpuller: good 'ol mpexagent ;)
17:54:22 mircea_popescu: gpgme isn't bad, there's also a gpgagent thing that seems solid
17:54:32 thestringpuller: agents scare me
17:54:33 mircea_popescu: just you know, whatever you're doing
17:56:39 FabianB: gpgme is a library for gpg, gpg-agent just just 'remember my pw for a period of time'
17:56:40 mircea_popescu: !up dignork
17:56:51 mircea_popescu: yo. dja know how to up yourself ?
17:58:19 dignork: mircea_popescu, why?
17:58:39 mircea_popescu: so you can do it lol
17:59:31 bounce: spammy spammy assbot
18:00:42 dignork: mircea_popescu, this kind of contradicts the new elitist channel model
18:01:11 mircea_popescu: how you mean ?
18:01:19 mircea_popescu: !up only
18:01:20 mircea_popescu: yo.
18:02:22 only: danke mircea_popescu
18:02:56 dignork: ;;echo !up dignork
18:02:57 mircea_popescu: sure.
18:03:09 dignork: tor access seems to be horribly lagging anyway:( so even my attempt to check if grible echo hack works was pointless :(
18:03:13 mircea_popescu: dignork you id with gribble and then pm assbot !up
18:03:23 mircea_popescu: and gribble hack doth not work, no.
18:04:10 mircea_popescu: http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/assbot-level-2-trust/ < gotta be on this list. you get there by getting in the wot and getting rated by someone in assbot's trustlist
18:04:11 ozbot: assbot level 2 trust | Khersonus Blog
18:04:51 Anduck: assbot: take your head off your ass
18:04:57 jurov: ;;gettrust assbot dignork
18:05:09 dignork: i know the drill mircea_popescu, but nobody trusts me enought anyway :)
18:05:16 dignork: *enough
18:06:29 mircea_popescu: well maybe in time huh.
18:07:07 benkay: what do we think about 1's for +v?
18:07:46 benkay: obvs not for robwhiz22 etc al but those who appear to be on the right track
18:08:09 mircea_popescu: judgement call for teh 29
18:08:19 benkay: ;;rate dignork 1 #bitcoin-assets +v
18:09:01 benkay: dignork: are you selling btc atm?
18:09:48 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot dignork
18:10:08 mircea_popescu: i dun recall if i linked this
18:10:09 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlExt5iCAAAf6jn.png:large
18:10:36 jurov: to da moon!
18:10:48 benkay: > implying?
18:11:14 dignork: benkay, i can sell some small amount, just for kicks, why?
18:12:56 pankkake: dignork would have had a trust through me soon anyways
18:13:43 mircea_popescu: dignork why so emo srsly ? apparently tons of people were going to trust you enough
18:15:14 dignork: i have some trust on otc, but the group in assets does not intersects too much
18:15:23 pankkake: bounce: there is --with-colons. I never had to parse actual text content from GPG, exit codes etc. were enough
18:15:44 pankkake: but the state of python libs is weird… there's like at least three libs and they all suck
18:15:48 bounce: sure. mutt doesn't use gpgme either, IIRC
18:15:55 only: any tobacco smokers in here? I want a rating as well :)
18:16:39 bounce: ::rate -1 only unhealthy character
18:16:40 mircea_popescu: lol cigs for access ? this sounds like the old time clubs are here :D
18:17:27 pankkake: I'm thinking of hoarding tobacco, as a doomsday currency
18:17:34 *: bounce isn't too sure python doesn't secretly suck either. then again, might be I'm reading too many naggum links.
18:17:40 only: pankkake: good thinking
18:18:02 bounce: risky though. one fire and all your currency goes up in smoke.
18:18:08 mircea_popescu: pankkake definitely worked that way in the west
18:18:11 mircea_popescu: !up toffoo
18:18:15 only: any brands in mind, pankkake?
18:18:26 mircea_popescu: you could just as well buy a wife for 40 leaves
18:18:31 benkay: no no bounce
18:18:33 benkay: it sucks.
18:18:42 benkay: java with less typing is all.
18:18:59 pankkake: no, I don't know the first thing about it. my first step would be learn how to store it so that it lasts
18:19:03 bounce: there's some cute things you can do with it that're less possible with java
18:19:27 only: pankkake: a big ass humidor should suffice
18:19:41 mircea_popescu: or a lot of apple slices.
18:20:07 mircea_popescu: anyway, there are those who claim old tobacco properly stored is actually better than new.
18:20:49 mircea_popescu: !up omen1855
18:21:25 benkay: such new folk
18:21:25 danielpbarron: neato
18:22:15 *: jurov found some vintage "taras bulba" tobacco from 1960s.. so you say it has some value?
18:22:18 only: mircea_popescu: Virginias age wonderfully :)
18:22:59 pankkake: I love list comprehensions. I'm sure lispfags will scoff at it though!
18:23:12 mircea_popescu: jurov taras bulba or trash vulva ?
18:24:33 jurov: lol... it was named after nikolai gogol's novella
18:25:03 mircea_popescu: is this the one with the kidnapped underage chick where the author blames the chick ?
18:26:14 jurov: i had not read(nor smoke) it wikipedia says nothign about chix
18:26:18 fluffypony: [20:24:57] <xodianbarr> fyi the prypto shares early adopter offering ends tonight. Tomorrow they will be unavailable and on Tuesday they go on bitcoinbourse. Anyone purchasing at least 1 share till the deadline gets a private share for every public share purchased and the opportunity of the private share account which gives an insight into dividend profit build up monthly.
18:26:41 fluffypony: another bitcoinbourse "asset" is coming
18:27:05 bounce: heh. so, you have to buy one sooper sekrit share now or be bereft of the company books forever?
18:27:17 jurov: yes, i mentioned it, "bitcoin stickers IPO"
18:27:21 jurov: beyond farcical
18:27:25 mircea_popescu: jurov i was just pretending gogol's nabokov.
18:28:01 mircea_popescu: fluffypony prypto ? srsly ?!
18:28:10 ozbot: Prypto: Welcome to Prypto
18:28:19 mircea_popescu: holy shit!
18:28:21 ozbot: Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely wrong pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu
18:28:31 mircea_popescu: yesterday i write, today they apply ?! gotta love these new scammers.
18:29:48 pankkake: I thought it was a typo
18:30:05 fluffypony: uh, but Google has stated on more than one occasion that exact match domain names are no longer relevant
18:30:35 thestringpuller: ;;google REPL
18:30:45 thestringpuller: booooo
18:30:49 jurov: whut are they gonna use? soundex?
18:31:49 mircea_popescu: aproximex
18:34:04 *: bounce tries and fails to come up with a funny connecting "africanisation of the west" to the fail that is "black culture" in the US and bright eyed young white pasty silly vally kids
18:34:45 mircea_popescu: this should be a play.
18:34:52 mircea_popescu: write it and be forever known as bouncespeare
18:35:00 mircea_popescu: sorta like shake v2.0. bounce.
18:35:51 *: bounce is no good with drama. but hey, n'ver know what the morrow bringeth
18:36:39 bounce: maybe should go and look at that onion "white niggah" thing for inspiration
18:36:41 fluffypony: can we cast robwhizz22 as court jester?
18:37:29 mircea_popescu: bounce to learn a craft, you copy the masters. pick a play, rewrite it for your topic, publish your clumbsy attempt for general ridicule.
18:37:51 mircea_popescu: if you've a modicum of culture and read the damned things you stand some chance of at least picking the right one for the purpose.
18:38:04 mircea_popescu: in any event, twenty or so years later you may have become mediocre at it.
18:39:22 bounce: well, at least I got your unequivocal encouragement
18:39:55 mircea_popescu: indeed!
18:40:36 dignork: mircea_popescu, DNS article, topic related name might get indexed by search engine in forum links etc, so they might not be a total waste of money
18:41:28 mircea_popescu: this is a point, indeed. a minor one, i suspect.
18:41:44 fluffypony: dignork
18:41:52 fluffypony: most forums nowadays are nofollow links
18:42:12 mircea_popescu: !up starsoccer
18:42:36 starsoccer: oo thanks mircea_popescu
18:42:48 mircea_popescu: yw.
18:42:48 starsoccer: just did it via pm but it told me i need to auth
18:42:49 starsoccer: ;;ident
18:42:55 starsoccer: guess im not authed
18:43:00 starsoccer: ;;bcauth starsoccer
18:43:01 mircea_popescu: yes you need to get in the wot and auth.
18:43:13 starsoccer: i am, just gribble keeps login me out
18:43:15 starsoccer: idk why
18:43:33 mircea_popescu: if it doesn't see you it logs yu out
18:43:48 starsoccer: well i ussually idle in a few so it always sees me
18:43:51 starsoccer: anyways let me auth
18:44:33 mircea_popescu: you're on the l2 list, so after you do you can pm assbot !up and it'll permavoice oyu.
18:44:52 starsoccer: kk
18:44:57 starsoccer: 12list?
18:45:10 bounce: ;;gettrust assbot starsoccer
18:45:20 dignork: another example then: otc user shilling a service with domain name consisting of "bitcoin" and "insanity", i'll never remember the domain name, but googling these two terms kinda brings me to his site
18:45:22 mircea_popescu: !up aadeseye
18:46:06 mircea_popescu: dignork the reason you don't remember it is precisely that it had bitcoin in it and your brain spaces it out. i don't remember all the coin* shit either.
18:46:40 mircea_popescu: if it was some unique well chosen 5-6-7 char word you prolly would have remembered it.
18:49:18 dignork: mircea_popescu, yes, but in this case "google" algo kicks in, and he still gets a customer, so this dns exploits another mind bug , instead of browser autocompletion
18:49:46 bounce: two consonants at the start is nice for re-visits, not so much for first looks, typing from a commercial or the decals on a lorry or whatever
18:50:51 mircea_popescu: if you're good enough to actually get forum mentions the effect in question is comparatively weak. if you're weak and rely on trying to spam forums it won't likely get you anything anyway. at least in a high level survey sort of mindset. no denying that derping on the internet could turn your 100 bux and 110 hours a week into 1k or w/e, just... who cares about that.
18:51:47 bounce: and I have no idea what google is up to now. so if you do site:example.com it'll substitute that as it sees fit? -- getting results out of them is getting fuzzier and fuzzier so that's no surprise, but it is annoying for those cases where I really want this exact search query and not the "properly spelled" one or whatever those US-based barbarians think I should've typed
18:53:10 dignork: mircea_popescu, so to exploit both bugs, on par with bitcointicker.co I
18:53:19 dignork: I'd register kjwhatver to make it accessible
18:53:20 bounce: plenty people care about winning small in the same way that wossname home traders want to feel like a trader much more than making money trading
18:55:14 artifexd: ;;eauth artifexd
18:55:43 artifexd: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:aca8c3b4fedadc86aa1bbfe5fe456d92d8526d3b3a40225231aafe17
18:56:02 artifexd: Yay!
18:56:10 benkay: !down artifexd
18:56:17 benkay: !up artifexd
18:56:19 artifexd: !down benkay
18:56:20 benkay: !down artifexd
18:56:32 benkay: boo
18:56:48 artifexd: Oooo! Test
18:56:50 artifexd: !up artifexd
18:57:00 benkay: !up benkay
18:57:07 benkay: really, assbot.
18:57:07 artifexd: Hmm... no self-pwning possible anymore.
18:57:13 kakobrekla: benkay cant down artifexd cause he upped himself
18:57:22 benkay: yeah gotcha
18:57:24 kakobrekla: there is still one bug left :\
18:57:36 bounce: only one? oh my.
18:58:16 kakobrekla: ok , one that i currently intend to fix
18:58:28 artifexd: kakobrekla: What is that bug? For, you know, science.
18:58:39 Azelphur: what's the point of the whole +v for 30 minutes thing anyway?
18:59:18 benkay: fresh blood?
18:59:51 mircea_popescu: bounce sure, no argument.
18:59:53 artifexd: The point is to, eventually, increase the signal to noise ratio.
19:00:14 artifexd: For now though, hey! New toy!
19:00:17 mircea_popescu: problem is 100 hours at minimum wage + your upfront would make more than the "winning in a small way"
19:00:25 mircea_popescu: i guess incultured independence is a thing, even so.
19:00:34 cgcardona_: i figured forcing people to register w/ their pgp/gpg keys forces some sort of accountability for your actions/words in the room.
19:00:42 bounce: call it a hobby and it's win-win all the way
19:00:53 Azelphur: I just find it annoying xD
19:01:03 danielpbarron: i like it
19:01:04 kakobrekla: artifexd telling would spoil all the fun.
19:01:20 Azelphur: I haven't bothered to talk much here any more since having to auth up and stuff, especially with the freenode splits recently
19:01:49 benkay: ;;echo !down gribble
19:01:58 Azelphur: lol
19:02:08 benkay: hue hue hue
19:02:30 kakobrekla: actually Azelphur , stats say you were relatively most active in last week
19:02:33 benkay: tbh kakobrekla i thought you'd fixed that one!
19:02:56 kakobrekla: benkay that not a bug that just retards in the playground
19:02:56 kakobrekla: :D
19:03:15 Azelphur: yea, it's coincidence more than anything else, there's been a few times I've typed stuff in here, had it dropped because of +m and gone to speak elsewhere instead
19:03:35 Azelphur: I could understand accountability (no +v if you're not gribbled, or requirement of WoT ratings) but the messaging every 30 minutes is very bizarre.
19:04:46 kakobrekla: what?
19:04:50 kakobrekla: you !up yourself on pm
19:04:54 kakobrekla: you voice in nao permanent
19:05:06 kakobrekla: *for the duration of session
19:05:30 Azelphur: oh? I'm sure I remember it grumbling about 30 minutes or something, fair enough
19:05:34 artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot Azelphur
19:05:41 kakobrekla: yeah you can up anyone here for 30 min
19:05:48 Azelphur: I see
19:05:54 kakobrekla: but you can up yourself if you have wot
19:06:04 kakobrekla: then it does not have a timer
19:06:27 kakobrekla: and if you up yourself, you can up others, not otherwise
19:06:45 Azelphur: fair enough then I suppose, not as bad as I thought, only thing that would be nice is having it automate the entire process :)
19:06:58 Anduck: yea
19:07:00 kakobrekla: write a script
19:07:02 kakobrekla: publish it
19:07:16 kakobrekla: take the fame and chicks.
19:07:31 Anduck: i'll just irc elsewhere when i'm too lazy to do /msg assbot !up
19:07:52 kakobrekla: sounds like it does indeed work like it should.
19:08:01 Anduck: indeed.
19:08:03 starsoccer: ;;bcauth starsoccer
19:08:14 Anduck: kakobrekla: then again, is that the purpose of this channel
19:08:40 ThickAsThieves: "A study in mice shows that trauma might be inherited through altered gene expression in sperm"
19:09:00 starsoccer: kk goived
19:09:02 starsoccer: kk voiced
19:09:06 kakobrekla: if you dont find it worth of typing !up, the content is not worthy of polluting this chan with
19:09:17 starsoccer: lol
19:12:57 ThickAsThieves: question for you guys, I have someone that never claimed their S.MG PT shares on Havelock
19:13:00 ThickAsThieves: now they want them
19:13:04 ThickAsThieves: I have them on MPEX
19:13:10 ThickAsThieves: but do not run the PT anymore
19:13:17 ThickAsThieves: should i tell them to CoinBr? or?
19:13:31 ThickAsThieves: offer to sell into bids for them?
19:14:49 ThickAsThieves: i guess i could xfer some to HL and get them to coordinate, but then, really it may be easier to just buu them on HL
19:14:53 ThickAsThieves: buy*
19:15:53 ThickAsThieves: oh lol, theyre way cheaper on HL
19:15:55 ThickAsThieves: nvm
19:18:32 ThickAsThieves: wow HL is slow now huh
19:25:18 ThickAsThieves: ALC has raised 48btc
19:25:40 mircea_popescu: !down artifexd
19:25:46 mircea_popescu: blergh
19:25:51 artifexd: Ha!
19:25:54 Duffer1: only 11152 short of their goal
19:26:19 mircea_popescu: Azelphur you never USED to talk much here, like [\\\]
19:26:25 mircea_popescu: but since the new rules you HAVe been talking a lot
19:26:30 mircea_popescu: perhaps 10x past week as your prev 2 months
19:26:30 Duffer1: it's nice to see recent havelock scams falling flat on their faces
19:26:43 mircea_popescu: so it's a case of the newspaper memory hole imo
19:26:49 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: hehe, sort of coincidence really, but yea :)
19:28:15 Anduck: kakobrekla: too bad but that's a lie
19:28:16 Anduck: lol
19:28:24 kakobrekla: what is?
19:28:27 Anduck: just fancy sounding words
19:28:40 Anduck: what you said before your last line
19:29:21 kakobrekla: its not a lie if i honestly believe so!
19:34:49 ThickAsThieves: http://eater.com/archives/2014/04/11/app-offers-unlimited-coffee-at-independent-nyc-coffee-shops.php now they just need to accept bitcoin and the dream is real!
19:36:25 mircea_popescu: benkay so apparently you hang out with peopple who believe whatevert they don't understand doesn't really exist
19:36:31 mircea_popescu: and then come up with fancy ways to dress that shit up
19:36:50 benkay: nobody was serious
19:36:56 mircea_popescu: also omfg you & your friends may be the hipsterest people i know
19:37:08 benkay: well you're old thats no real surprise
19:37:59 ThickAsThieves: didnt people at parties look like that 10 years ago too?
19:38:19 ThickAsThieves: is hipsterism basically dressing like it's laundry day?
19:38:34 benkay: glorifying being broke?
19:39:38 mircea_popescu: i think you may be on to something there.
19:39:41 mircea_popescu: both of you
19:39:52 bounce: "just look at me being a dork but I get away with it because I'm cooler than thou"
19:40:53 bounce: from what little I've seen the dress code is quite amazingly strict, though.
19:40:54 ThickAsThieves: and the reason i'm cooler is because i say so and i want to be
19:41:40 ThickAsThieves: and, and because i'm an annoying contrarian
19:41:55 ThickAsThieves: sum it up?
19:41:57 bounce: plenty places have their own distinct subcultures. japan seems to have fscktons of kinds of hipsters.
19:42:12 ThickAsThieves: wouldnt that make them something else?
19:43:07 ThickAsThieves: i thought hipsters were dudes with mustaches & suspenders, and girls in wool dresses
19:43:14 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves except check this shit out : "clearly this shit works but it's a coincidence because i don't think it should or see why it would"
19:43:37 bounce: could try and compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_(1940s_subculture)
19:44:03 ThickAsThieves: i like those hipsters better
19:44:07 ThickAsThieves: potheads with style
19:44:18 ThickAsThieves: oh wait
19:44:25 ThickAsThieves: "sarcastic humor, self-imposed poverty and relaxed sexual codes."
19:44:27 ThickAsThieves: lol
19:45:04 mircea_popescu: that hipster sarcasm is the worst fucking cry for help i ever heard.
19:45:22 ThickAsThieves: "The words hep and hip are of uncertain origin"
19:45:32 ThickAsThieves: hepatitis?
19:45:33 mircea_popescu: it's like "please don't kick us out of here, we know we don't belong, can this count as a getoutof kicking ?"
19:45:51 ThickAsThieves: it's a disease and everyone wants it!
19:46:09 ThickAsThieves: be one of us
19:47:57 *: bounce recalls some discussion about deep purple laughing about a bunch of others because they were so "out of tune with what was happening in londen at the time" -- due to having the wrong haircut
19:48:22 mircea_popescu: haircuts for men. definitely important.
19:48:28 bounce: it's the small things that mark you part of the pack
19:49:28 mircea_popescu: maybe that was neobee's problem
19:49:30 bounce: 80s, rock, long hair. yeah, haircuts are important.
19:49:34 mircea_popescu: denny didn't have the right ceocut.
19:49:54 bounce: bit late to try and sell'im that advice for 54 bitcoin
19:50:11 bounce: s/80s/70s/ I suppose. n'mind.
19:50:32 thestringpuller: ♐
19:50:36 thestringpuller: lol
19:51:14 mircea_popescu: hair metal ?
20:00:06 asciilifeform: <robwizz22> Just so you know, I am an individual like you - NOT with any organization. I am not in any way associated with the NSA or other organization. On the other hand, you seem to be following their M.O. and trying to weaken security. You are basically simply committing fraud. What you've designed to date is totally useless and 100 times less secure than not buying any such device at all (i.e. using o
20:00:06 asciilifeform: ff
20:00:06 asciilifeform: <robwizz22> the shelf usb storage to store a private key and pass phrase). You are lying about its benefits. You've come up with something absolutely and utterly useless. If it's a scam, good job. I like how you spread FUD about me trying to "introduce heartbleed" (which doesn't make any sense - the Cardano is a USB device) when I pointed this out. You obviously are smart enough to know that is a simple a
20:00:09 asciilifeform: nd
20:00:11 asciilifeform: <robwizz22> complete lie, meant to play on people's recognition of the word "heartbleed bug" without knowing what it is. There is no SSL anywhere within 100 miles of a Cardano, nor did I ever mention it. You seem to be playing off of your audience's ignorance. Is this really want you want to be doing with your life? Selling snake oil? Being a fraud?
20:00:16 asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> you started out suggesting wifi and ssl. in the channel. now buzz off.
20:01:18 Apocalyptic: more attack vectors, \o/
20:01:33 asciilifeform: does sunlight only work against vampires? what does one zap spammers with?
20:02:10 benkay: /ignore
20:02:21 asciilifeform: benkay: doesn't seem to work for priv msgs.
20:02:41 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, it should
20:02:58 benkay: asciilifeform: which widget?
20:03:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude you're incredible. why do you keep posting that stuff ?!
20:03:03 bounce: /ignore you MSG would do it here.
20:03:30 Apocalyptic: in Xchat you have to specify a mask followed by ALL if you want to block everything
20:03:34 mircea_popescu: i mean the original author sorta managed to get himself excreted, for this reason. what is it, like self loathing ?
20:03:55 asciilifeform: ok seems like that worked.
20:04:08 benkay: asciilifeform dreams of trolling his 'real' purposes out of him.
20:04:10 ozbot: toxin: XChat Ignore
20:04:28 asciilifeform: benkay: i've given up - the man's a broken record.
20:05:02 benkay: well it sounds as though he's progressed to calling /you/ a fraud. that's progress.
20:05:12 benkay: fraudgress
20:05:26 bounce: "this way to the egress"
20:05:50 benkay: wither the egrets though
20:06:44 bounce: and then they come back. regrets.
20:08:09 mircea_popescu: lol regrets
20:09:07 mircea_popescu: aw shit my monitor's going ;/
20:09:12 mircea_popescu: just turned blue
20:09:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wiggled the plug?
20:09:41 bounce: "es leuchtet blau" -- which for some reason is not nearly as funny in the original
20:11:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i hit it with my fist. it came back on
20:11:24 mircea_popescu: but you know...
20:12:58 asciilifeform: every nice crt i've ever owned, with or or two exceptions - eventually the raster goes
20:13:00 asciilifeform: usually horizontal
20:14:14 mircea_popescu: bounce this is the sort with the power inside
20:14:30 bounce: and a CRT to boot. you likes dem high voltage, no?
20:15:48 bounce: though shouldn't be too heavy on the SMD stuff. ie, reasonably repairable.
20:16:05 asciilifeform: bounce: so long as the tube is alive, yes.
20:16:30 asciilifeform: somewhere, there probably still lives a man who can re-wind a burned yoke.
20:16:30 benkay: so i don't like crypto + aristocrat > cryptocrat
20:16:48 asciilifeform: and you can get flybacks still.
20:17:26 bounce: or source a large stack of them for parts (and get money to take'em away)
20:17:42 benkay: cryptocracy?
20:17:48 asciilifeform: one day, a 'virginal' high quality crt will be a mega-luxury. like stradivarius.
20:18:10 bounce: buy up the factory for a song
20:18:17 benkay: mircea_popescu BingoBoingo bitcoinpete cryptocrats? cryptocracy?
20:19:02 BingoBoingo: benkay: Prolly to early for a label. Wait for some lulzy incedent to reveal the proper term.
20:19:21 benkay: buttcoiners i guess in the meantime
20:21:25 asciilifeform: anyone care to recommend an irc client with whitelisting feature?
20:22:28 benkay: what do you mean by whitelisting, asciilifeform ?
20:23:14 asciilifeform: block all priv msgs. other than from whitelist
20:23:23 kakobrekla: benkay reverse blacklist :D
20:23:37 mircea_popescu: wayt what ?
20:24:24 benkay: do it yourself in erc?
20:25:10 fluffypony: benkay: didn't El Reg call mircea_popescu the Bitcoin Baron?
20:25:29 kakobrekla: a "biton"
20:25:35 fluffypony: heh
20:25:38 bounce: ircII can do that. /ignore * MSG /ignore whitelisted ^MSG
20:25:40 benkay: the term is "bitlord"
20:26:05 fluffypony: "Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights on'"
20:26:14 benkay: can't say as i have any intention of taking style cues from linkbait article titles.
20:26:26 kakobrekla: fluffypony are you like new or smth?
20:26:52 fluffypony: kakobrekla: yes
20:26:56 fluffypony: I'm smth
20:40:23 benkay: what fraction of the runup to 1200 can we attribute to the bitlocker virus?
20:40:34 benkay: and is it not a thing any more?
20:42:12 kakobrekla: haxors got goxxed, back to prepaid cards.
20:49:48 asciilifeform: is everyone who does anything even vaguely public bedeviled by spammers?
20:50:09 kakobrekla: more or less yea.
20:50:32 fluffypony: spammers and/or trolls
20:56:31 mircea_popescu: yes.
21:00:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, assbot's 29 could be teh bitcoin barons, i see no problem.
21:00:30 mircea_popescu: we gotta start small, work our way up to dukery, not like some other douchebaggery, starting with dukes.
21:00:36 mircea_popescu: wink wink nudge nudge
21:01:07 mircea_popescu: benkay a fraction between 0 and epsilon.
21:01:30 BingoBoingo: lol, I was going to say something about it, but figured it would be more interesting to see when someone else brought up the Dukedoms
21:02:45 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/AltcoinAce/status/455432343595925504
21:02:46 ozbot: Twitter / AltcoinAce: #CAI seeks to build 'first ...
21:02:50 mircea_popescu: check it out, another "first"
21:04:21 mircea_popescu: i suddenly had this vision of me being like, 75, and reading about this new, biggest, first bitcoin based exchange,
21:04:25 mircea_popescu: with options and shit.
21:09:09 mircea_popescu: ;;rate justusranvier 1 New blood
21:09:15 mircea_popescu: wait what!
21:09:50 mircea_popescu: ;;rate justusranvier 1 New blood
21:10:15 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell justusranvier to voice yourself in -assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up
21:12:16 mircea_popescu: .d
21:12:16 ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 674 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.3317% in 4d 4h 39m 26s
21:13:38 ThickAsThieves: Estimated Next Difficulty: 7,131,644,633 (+16.54%)
21:14:06 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i was looking athte 9bn bet. seems a lock.
21:14:30 ThickAsThieves: it's getting tough to tell now
21:14:52 ThickAsThieves: at some point 15% is a shit ton of hash
21:15:14 mircea_popescu: yeah
21:15:20 mircea_popescu: that point being right abnout now lol.
21:16:15 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets stats
21:16:32 ThickAsThieves: you just like seeing boners in in your ta
21:16:40 mircea_popescu: also possible.
21:25:36 mircea_popescu: ;;rate kanzure New blood
21:25:40 mircea_popescu: ;;rate kanzure 1 New blood
21:25:44 mircea_popescu: derp.
21:25:57 mircea_popescu: kanzure srsly, get in teh wot.
21:28:30 mircea_popescu: ;;rate tomservo 1 New blood
21:28:36 mircea_popescu: !up garret
21:29:05 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TomServo get in wot wouldja ?
21:30:05 jurov: oh i should update prices/dividends
21:30:49 mircea_popescu: stop giving the frenchie so much voice, you'll wear it out.
21:33:01 mircea_popescu: lol
21:33:50 mircea_popescu: btw, you ever seen les veinards ?
21:33:57 davout: no
21:34:00 mircea_popescu: !up kanzure
21:34:09 mircea_popescu: it's my favourite french comedy for today
21:34:16 mircea_popescu: !up AltcoinAce
21:34:28 mircea_popescu: ;;topic
21:34:42 mircea_popescu: AltcoinAce this is the bitcoin assets channel. these are the people. up there are the logs. have fun!
21:34:50 AltcoinAce: interesting
21:35:21 davout: i'll put it on my list
21:35:35 jurov: AltcoinAce you run some altcoin business?
21:35:44 AltcoinAce: Im just a trader
21:35:46 AltcoinAce: tis all
21:36:11 mircea_popescu: mostly for le vison. mireille d'arc / jacqueline monsigny
21:36:21 mircea_popescu: AltcoinAce what do you trade ?
21:36:38 AltcoinAce: currently focusing on alts and btc
21:36:47 AltcoinAce: Im working with some ppl
21:36:53 AltcoinAce: and learning before I move up to other stuff
21:37:03 AltcoinAce: will be trading forex soon
21:37:12 AltcoinAce: but crpyto is a good market to be in right now
21:37:19 mircea_popescu: sounds good.
21:37:37 AltcoinAce: everyday you can make 10-500% profit
21:37:48 AltcoinAce: doesnt happen in most markets haha
21:40:35 mircea_popescu: !t h hif
21:43:14 mircea_popescu: ;;rate novusordo 1 New blood
21:43:37 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell novusordo to voice yourself in assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up
21:45:28 kanzure: mircea_popescu: can you try rating me again pls
21:45:56 kanzure: ouch: 14:45 <assbot> You need a better WOT rating. (level 2 with assbot >0)
21:46:26 mircea_popescu: ;;rate kanzure 1 New blood
21:47:28 kanzure: exciting
21:47:54 jurov: ;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github
21:48:05 mircea_popescu: !down jurov
21:48:09 mircea_popescu: awww!
21:48:14 jurov: lol
21:48:32 mircea_popescu: jurov is 4ever alone because assbot cockblocks
21:49:06 kanzure: what is the type of unit for the number i provide to the rate command?
21:49:18 jurov: ;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github
21:49:35 kanzure: eg why 1 instead of 0.1 ?
21:49:36 mircea_popescu: kanzure in [-10, 10]
21:49:52 jurov: ;;rate kanzure 0.000001 i have seen your github
21:50:04 kanzure: gribble is a hater
21:50:11 mircea_popescu: he's just got his integrity.
21:50:18 jurov: you can't have fractional trust or distrust
21:50:29 kanzure: so i should read this as '10 trusts'?
21:50:40 mircea_popescu: first off, you don't need fractions, you could just as well increase the max for same effect
21:50:49 mircea_popescu: second off, 10 levels is plenty. how fine can your brain work ?
21:50:57 bounce: pfft. and there I was, wanting to rate 3.1415927. can't doo that. boo!
21:51:08 mircea_popescu: so round.
21:51:15 jurov: kanzure: you should read the comments, numbers are just numbers
21:51:17 mircea_popescu: a 3 is just as good as a pee to a blind bat
21:52:31 bounce: then we'll just have to stick to biblical notions of "round", no?
21:53:03 jurov: what's biblical notion of round?
21:54:02 jurov: oh that was the answer? mkay
21:54:50 bounce: 1 kings 7 verse 23
21:58:36 mircea_popescu: "Amazing: @Chase just cancelled my debit card because a merchant may or may not have been hacked. They didn't call. Won't tell me who."
21:59:33 ThickAsThieves: thanks jurov, i'll keep it in mind, it's so few people/shares at this point that I doubt it'll happen much more
22:01:06 mircea_popescu: you know this completely blows me away. there's like... 2 assets on hl that didn't lose most of the investor's money, and the total investment in them was... bitcents ?
22:01:18 mircea_popescu: meanwhile all sorts of bizarre shit supposedly gets 100s of btc, if not k's.
22:01:22 mircea_popescu: it just dun compute this.
22:02:20 ThickAsThieves: as suspected in the past, they may be satsisfying an urge to gamble, not invest
22:02:25 mircea_popescu: !up Tiraspol
22:02:49 Tiraspol: O_o
22:03:31 mircea_popescu: nice name :p
22:05:35 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455466740181655552 << stacy herbert :D
22:05:35 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: How's your Aurora scamcoin ...
22:06:12 kakobrekla: she was behind aurora?
22:06:34 mircea_popescu: she works for max keiser. they were pumping it together.
22:06:49 mircea_popescu: it's not clear if they actually owned it or just shill for pay, but after all what the hell's the difference.
22:08:25 kakobrekla: aha
22:10:30 ThickAsThieves: maxcoin is now below novacoin in market cap
22:10:36 ThickAsThieves: "market cap"
22:10:50 ThickAsThieves: AUR just below it
22:11:17 mircea_popescu: such success. much well done.
22:11:24 ThickAsThieves: meanwhile doge sitting at $27m
22:11:59 mircea_popescu: sure, just as long as the scammers pushing it own 99.99% of it all.
22:12:03 ThickAsThieves: Altcoin still not on the list
22:12:09 mircea_popescu: and should anyone sell and it drop another 50%, why, they'll just hardfork it again
22:12:50 asciilifeform: from:
22:12:51 ozbot: cloudflare_challenge
22:13:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tweeted it :D
22:13:55 asciilifeform: a bit stale news, sorry. but i think it notable.
22:14:01 mircea_popescu: i like teh pic.
22:15:45 asciilifeform: wonder if i'm the only one who automatically thought 'diversion' when the heartbleed crap came out.
22:16:02 mircea_popescu: moar like warning shot.
22:16:09 asciilifeform: as if there is such a thing as a kitchen with exactly one roach.
22:16:29 mircea_popescu: or you meant of cloudflare's reaction ?
22:16:43 asciilifeform: nah, of the 'bug' being made public, with catchy name & logo.
22:17:12 mircea_popescu: if you're going to humiliate, might as well humiliate in detail.
22:17:22 joecool: !up
22:17:33 mircea_popescu: !up urmom
22:19:31 asciilifeform: shadow führer decides that a certain pwnhole has outlived its useful life, decides to create a 'dangle' (i believe this is the english technical term for 'слив')
22:20:22 mircea_popescu: the problem with the shadow fuhrer is that he couldn't conceivably find a reason to be bothered with actual holes.
22:20:33 mircea_popescu: he'd be much happier in the realm of shadow-holes.
22:21:15 mod6: kakobrekla: do you run blockr.io?
22:21:21 asciilifeform: the purpose of 'hearbleed' et al isn't traffic intercept. (why intercept when you have root on the 'cloud' crapfarms?)
22:21:25 kakobrekla: mod6 no
22:21:31 mod6: ok
22:21:35 asciilifeform: it's to 'bake terrorists'
22:21:47 asciilifeform: create/modify arbitrary turds in mid-flight.
22:21:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think strategically. 1. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? fail" vs 2. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? OR that a website was all ready to go. just how fucking inept are you, can't find a website, srsly ?"
22:21:51 mircea_popescu: 2 is much better.
22:22:07 mircea_popescu: mod6 iirc kakobrekla knew the people running it
22:22:18 kakobrekla: knows
22:22:32 mircea_popescu: kako knoes
22:22:47 bounce: baking is terrism now?
22:22:56 asciilifeform: ;;google new york death ray plot
22:23:11 mircea_popescu: jhahahaha what
22:23:11 asciilifeform: classic product of the bakery.
22:23:13 mod6: ahh, im gonna write to them. my atc bot sends up http requests to get some json back so we can do things like: last_block, diff, etc. but from time to time, my host/ip seems to get tar-pitted. even for a low threshold.
22:23:30 mircea_popescu: "In 2013, two men from upstate New York were arrested after building a radioactive "death ray" device and plotting to use it against Muslims"
22:23:32 mod6: Wonder if they would white-list me to a higher threshold for coins.
22:23:37 mircea_popescu: what the fuck is a radioactive death ray.
22:23:48 asciilifeform: s/building/buying from insistent fbi stoolies
22:23:49 mircea_popescu: is it like bottled pedophilia racism carbon ?
22:24:16 bounce: not some shrewd 20something with a datafeed brokerage yet?
22:24:37 bounce: and get paid by both sides, why not
22:24:51 asciilifeform: a gaggle of idiots was prodded, by american police, into paying to have a (physically wildly implausible) x-ray cannon 'built'
22:25:43 asciilifeform: and before that, a steady stream of morons who paid for (fake) 'sterela' units
22:25:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is there any proof whatsoever this charade included anything other/different from the soviet wrecker "confessions" ?
22:25:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not afaik.
22:25:57 bounce: the us "justice" system appears to be a, waht was it, chumpatron with press gangs
22:26:06 bounce: s/waht/what/
22:26:14 asciilifeform: *strela
22:26:30 mircea_popescu: bounce not yet. whole shebang build to make him possible since at least 2012, yet he's not here yet.
22:26:54 mircea_popescu: all sorts of fake-shrewd 20yo morons however, humping the "first best largest" delusion humptrain
22:27:07 mircea_popescu: from atop, it's kinda fascinating/shocking just how moronic people are.
22:27:18 asciilifeform: the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now.
22:27:28 bounce: hm. maybe I should try and fake this 20something for a bit then.
22:27:30 mircea_popescu: da fuck is strela
22:27:40 asciilifeform: ;;google strela rocket
22:27:47 mircea_popescu: uh why do they want a rocket ?
22:28:02 mircea_popescu: bounce easier for you to fake being 20 than for bona fide 20yos to fake having a brain
22:28:04 asciilifeform: devil only knows
22:28:26 asciilifeform: ;;google strela manpad
22:28:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are they also going to launch it from their asshole, like fireworks ?
22:28:30 asciilifeform: that one.
22:28:31 bounce: oh lookit, a stealth compliment. still, looks like work. where's me overalls?
22:28:38 asciilifeform: not the fat rocket. the thin one.
22:28:47 mircea_popescu: even so
22:28:51 asciilifeform: comes with tube.
22:28:56 mircea_popescu: wasn't it a 3 month training course to be cleared with those ?
22:29:00 asciilifeform: analogous to american 'stinger'
22:29:08 mircea_popescu: not that analoguous
22:29:21 asciilifeform: that one.
22:29:41 bounce: strela 1: big fat rocket. strela 2: weight watchers "rocket"
22:30:07 mircea_popescu: widely exported, and perhaps the #1 cause of friendly fire casualties in "unorganised" conflcits
22:30:47 asciilifeform: yeah, ir sensor doesn't care who the tailpipe it flies into belongs to.
22:31:11 bounce: not the antitank thingy with the big head?
22:31:16 mircea_popescu: aren't these a bitch to properly discharge, have to handle the tube as itlaunches ?
22:31:35 mircea_popescu: bounce this is an surface-to-air thing
22:31:59 asciilifeform: if they sold faux 'stingers,' not even the dumbest 'candidate' would believe.
22:33:03 asciilifeform: re: 'wreckers' - correct. since the entire raison d'etre of the u.s. security apparatus is now 'terrorism' - well, the fireman, absent a fire, buys a box of matches.
22:34:25 asciilifeform: the reason to bring this crapfest up - u.s. 'intelligence' apparatus has a number of purposes quite apart, and difficult to confuse for, intelligence.
22:34:56 asciilifeform: (and 'sawing apart' the public purse isn't the only such)
22:35:47 mircea_popescu: i entirely fail to see how "combing upstate ny for hilbillies inept enough to imagine they can fire magic death upon random targets" is in any sense the business of intel.
22:36:11 mircea_popescu: more importantly, any intelligent people remaining have a lot of trouble continuing to do anything worthwhile in such an environment.
22:36:26 asciilifeform: it's the business of traditional goons, e.g. fbi. intel is 'classy.' rather create a sinner by injecting packets.
22:36:33 mircea_popescu: imagine a start-up where the entire office did nothing but play minigolf all day.
22:36:40 asciilifeform: not to plant evidence for any court, of course. for the consumption of... fellow 'intel' folks.
22:37:01 asciilifeform: start-up where the entire office did nothing but play minigolf << that's the sv norm, no?
22:37:44 mircea_popescu: these days i guess.
22:37:56 mircea_popescu: !up punkman
22:38:11 mircea_popescu: ;;rate punkman 1 New blood
22:38:26 asciilifeform: 'sheikh khalid goatfuckeiman encodes instructions for mujaheddeen in his sheep porn gifs.' - 'unfortunately, he doesn't. sometimes a sheep is only a sheep.' - 'let's see what we can do.'
22:39:18 asciilifeform: year later, drone strike, medals.
22:40:22 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla 137 : 92.
22:40:26 mircea_popescu: mwahahaha
22:40:49 asciilifeform: this is actually a very tame hypothesis. intel agencies traditionally plant dangles for their colleagues of other (not necessarily unfriendly) kingdoms. and, given the u.s. being a fractured empire, why not dangles for... their fellows.
22:41:16 mircea_popescu: that's for a long time been the lol of alltime.
22:41:28 mircea_popescu: there was a secret special dept in teh fsb dedicated to exactly this.
22:41:32 asciilifeform: sure was.
22:41:34 mircea_popescu: help state fight defense and so forth
22:41:43 asciilifeform: anyone remember the '20% of all gifs contain stego' newsbit?
22:41:45 asciilifeform: ages ago.
22:42:37 asciilifeform: can't say that i personally tested.
22:42:57 asciilifeform: but, if fact, the above would be a parsimonious explanation.
22:43:32 asciilifeform: ye read it here phurst (tm).
22:44:06 mircea_popescu: how would you test such a thing.
22:44:18 mircea_popescu: "20% of everything women says includes subtext"
22:44:20 mircea_popescu: well... gl ?
22:44:20 asciilifeform: almost by definition, you can only 'test' for piss-poor stego.
22:44:23 mircea_popescu: !up veeminer
22:44:42 asciilifeform: simplest scheme - straight payload in low bits of colour channels.
22:44:56 mircea_popescu: !up ishauli
22:44:58 asciilifeform: extract, test for known file headers
22:45:16 mircea_popescu: ----BEGIN
22:45:17 mircea_popescu: etc
22:45:58 mircea_popescu: incidentally : gpg armored lends itself splendidly to stego : the payload byte is only a few bits
22:46:44 asciilifeform: stego that doesn't 'scream stego' is a whole art.
22:47:23 asciilifeform: the only purpose of 'encode obvious payload in low colour bits' is as a university class demo. and for planting.
22:48:36 asciilifeform: then again, the folks who (see mp's essay) reinvented caesar's cipher might well use it.
22:48:45 asciilifeform: or we shall be told that they do.
22:58:07 asciilifeform: (good intro to subject)
22:58:42 bounce: for some reason I can never actually read much of fravia.
22:58:45 asciilifeform: (don't bother writing to herr fravia re: stego or his famous cracking tutorials. he's dead.)
22:59:18 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu 92 ??
22:59:22 kakobrekla: you mean 123
23:00:03 kakobrekla: if i was a whore id be at 200+
23:03:48 kakobrekla: now im just an idiot.
23:17:05 mircea_popescu: lol
23:19:51 mircea_popescu: i was on the sent tab for some reason
23:38:29 mircea_popescu: !up Visitor_
23:51:36 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day
23:51:43 mircea_popescu: 2 months away is like... 4-5 periods
23:51:44 mircea_popescu: .d
23:51:44 ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 663 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.7849% in 4d 3h 38m 22s
23:52:08 Apocalyptic: dat diff
23:52:23 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 14/6.12
23:52:31 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.23**4
23:52:44 mircea_popescu: basically needs 23% each time. this ain't happening.
23:54:06 cgcardona_: the difficulty is freaking exploding.
23:54:53 cgcardona_: no connection to the price. all based on speculation of the future value of a coin right?
23:55:00 mircea_popescu: Resolution: in 3 months 2 days. that's more like 6 periods actually.
23:55:10 kakobrekla: cgcardona_ no, all based on preorders
23:55:17 cgcardona_: kakobrekla: ah, good point
23:55:24 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ not really. the relatively high pricing of the usd is based on (baseless) speculation of its future value.
23:56:08 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.194**6
23:56:18 mircea_popescu: still 19% seems a push.
23:58:11 mircea_popescu: !up JorgePasada
23:58:26 JorgePasada: Heyo :-)
23:58:34 JorgePasada: Thanks for the voice
23:59:13 mircea_popescu: sure.
23:59:45 cgcardona_: this is the only room i've been in where voice actually means something.
23:59:54 cgcardona_: usually its the "i'm kinda in the club" flag