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Transcript for 13-04-2014, 1552 lines:

00:02:04 moiety: kakobrekla: i've not seen dead man, i'm going to get it ty

00:03:12 kakobrekla: if you find the start of the movie grim, try to hold on, it will get better.

00:04:04 asciilifeform: in other news, sergey nepobedimy ('invincible', his real name,) creator of 'igla' and 'strela' rockets, has died.

00:04:10 moiety: kk, not like me to not see a film through tbf

00:05:31 moiety: 92 y/o... i hope it was peaceful

00:07:31 artifexd: So... gmaxwell is harassing the conformal guys about how they developed btcd. It comes across as so... I don't know... petty.

00:08:33 artifexd: mircea_popescu: I'm starting to understand why you like these guys. Here's a quote that I find particularly compelling:

00:08:35 artifexd: @jy-p> it's a nice little bullshit trick that is used by people who don't get their work done

00:09:26 artifexd: For context: http://pastebin.com/AxKLEZf3

00:15:02 mike_c: cloudy conference.

00:15:04 mike_c: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=timisoara

00:15:05 ozbot: Timisoara, Romania Weather Forecast from Weather Underground

00:16:13 kakobrekla: oh yeah, the scientology meeting.

00:16:40 moiety: with everything going on in the ukraine, why are they protesting potholes?! http://20minutegarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Tulips-in-Potholes.jpeg

00:20:44 kakobrekla: flower bomb shrapnel?

00:24:42 moiety: lol i just feel there are other things they could be turning attention to

00:26:58 Duffer1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2grKk4Fv0k

00:26:59 ozbot: Civilization: Beyond Earth (Announcement) - YouTube

00:42:14 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what you like so much bout dead man btw ?

00:42:27 mircea_popescu: not sayin' it's bad or anything, that shit's trippy, but i think i'm missing most of it.

00:45:24 kakobrekla: i dunno, it has a lot of qualities i like. its indeed trippy and and well its fuckin hilarious, after about 30min in or so

00:45:36 mircea_popescu: artifexd myeah.

00:46:10 kakobrekla: full of absurdities and such.

00:46:30 mircea_popescu: artifexd course, you could say that to him rather than to me. he doesn't know it, i do.

00:47:03 mircea_popescu: fuckwit is actually to this day going around all convinced he's anything but slime somebody scraped off his work boot and failed to properly dispose of.

00:47:11 moiety: I've just started Dead Man

00:47:23 kakobrekla: well, good luck moiety .

00:48:02 moiety: depps lesser known films turn out to be his best

00:49:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, you're not the only one plagued. conformal guys got their own robwizz turns out.

00:49:11 mircea_popescu: ima gotta have to stop mentioning people or something.

00:49:37 mircea_popescu: !up Azelphur

00:49:41 Azelphur: thankies :)

00:49:43 mircea_popescu: you're on the list yo, why not just up yourself

00:49:54 Azelphur: oh, I wasn't aware of the new channel settings

00:50:07 mircea_popescu: id with gribs then pm assbot !up

00:50:42 Azelphur: simple enough :)

00:50:49 mircea_popescu: tell your friends.

00:50:53 Azelphur: anyway, another fun question for you, do you believe the "mtgox got hacked" crap? :P

00:51:03 moiety: i like the new system, have to say

00:51:03 mircea_popescu: no.

00:51:08 mircea_popescu: moiety how come ?

00:51:09 Azelphur: me neither

00:51:25 Azelphur: back when I was designing your exchange I actually had a conversation with tux about security

00:51:33 Azelphur: so I could learn what mtgox did wrong, what they do now, that sort of thing

00:51:36 Azelphur: and they seemed fairly decent

00:51:37 mircea_popescu: wait you were wut ?

00:51:49 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: sorry, designing the frontend for*

00:51:51 moiety: just personal taste after the other day mircea_popescu

00:51:54 Azelphur: derp >.<

00:51:59 mircea_popescu: o you mean pympex ?

00:52:17 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: nah, remember you wanted me to open a brokerage, and I did a lot of code, but didn't release it because of the whole going to jail thing.

00:52:26 mircea_popescu: you went to jail ?!

00:52:37 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I would have if I started running a brokerage being in England ;)

00:52:38 mircea_popescu: dude what the fuck, i just had a coupla shots of brandy

00:52:43 mircea_popescu: oh

00:52:44 Azelphur: hahaha

00:52:55 mircea_popescu: no but i mean i sit down and nothing makes sense anymore

00:53:13 Azelphur: admittedly I coulda explained that better ;)

00:53:42 mircea_popescu: dun take this the wrong way, but i dun recall that episode. so you were going to do something like coinbr ?

00:53:44 Azelphur: but yea, was just curious, it's such a weird situation, and this getting hacked thing makes no sense

00:53:57 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: yea, I'm pretty sure I showed you the prototypes at some point

00:54:08 mircea_popescu: well possible, if it was in like 2012

00:54:09 Azelphur: and I had it interfacing with GLBSE and MPEX back in the day

00:54:14 Azelphur: yea, it was a long time ago

00:54:21 mircea_popescu: anyway

00:54:36 Azelphur: would have done it if I didn't like my freedom so much :p

00:54:54 mircea_popescu: make sure you close your eve account while at it.

00:55:02 mircea_popescu: i hear them brits are not kidding.

00:55:05 Azelphur: haha

01:00:45 [\]: people still ues eve?

01:00:48 [\]: use*

01:09:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: conformal co. - the reimplement bitcoind folks?

01:11:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in golang

01:11:42 mircea_popescu: [\\\] apparently. they were doing some shit about "come have your name on a plaque on this statue we're building"

01:11:51 asciilifeform: i still can't figure out why google had to reimplement 'D'

01:12:15 [\]: yeah, I follow bradfitz

01:12:20 [\]: he's a golang dude

01:12:36 [\]: "why use someone else's work when we can make our own?"

01:13:08 mircea_popescu: fun fact : d had some romanian work on it originally

01:13:19 [\]: no wonder they dumped it

01:13:21 [\]: <.<

01:13:24 [\]: >.>

01:13:36 [\]: .bait

01:13:37 ozbot: http://37.media.tumblr.com/c156e823fbca3bb9580538c1deab8d7c/tumblr_mfp7stokJe1racc9so1_1280.jpg

01:13:54 asciilifeform: 'A "new" language that differs from the rest of the crop by one or a couple features is proof positive that both what it came from and what it has become are mutations about to die. There are tens if not hundreds of thousands of such "languages" that people have invented over the yeare, for all sorts of weird purposes where they just could not use whatever language they were already using, could not extend it

01:13:54 asciilifeform: , and could not fathom how to modify its tools without making a whole new language. They never stopped to think about how horribly wasteful this is, they just went on to create yet another language called Dodo, the Titanic, Edsel, Kyoto-agreement..."'

01:14:08 asciilifeform: (naggum on language proliferation - http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3206985430398054@naggum.net.html)

01:14:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine the way a large talent stable works is invariant. gotta let people do the stupid shit they wanna do to some degree

01:15:01 asciilifeform: i don't begrudge these people their weirdlangs

01:15:01 mircea_popescu: google's not about to hire chicks with whips for the devteam. cheaper to reimplement d.

01:15:13 asciilifeform: but the waste.

01:15:26 mircea_popescu: inasmuch as people are involved, there's no such thing as waste.

01:15:30 mircea_popescu: everything's eaten by something.

01:16:12 mircea_popescu: only machines can waste.

01:16:13 asciilifeform: the blind 'neophilia' of programmers is their undoing.

01:16:48 thestringpuller: ;;ident

01:16:50 asciilifeform: me, i'm still waiting for the 'let's crib features' folks to crib common lisp's intelligent error handling.

01:17:14 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

01:17:19 asciilifeform: (the only programming language i personally know, or so much as heard of, where the machine can recover intelligently from any error condition short of smoking)

01:19:59 mircea_popescu: http://www.businessinsider.com/now-its-personal-sf-protesters-targeting-tech-execs-by-name-2014-4?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Falleyinsider%2Fsilicon_alley_insider+%28Silicon+Alley+Insider%29

01:19:59 ozbot: NOW IT'S PERSONAL: SF Protesters Targeting Tech Execs By Name - Business Insider

01:20:03 mircea_popescu: check out these fuckwits.

01:20:28 mircea_popescu: and none of the named is going around calling the employers of these fuckwits with the simple message of "fire everyone or go out of business".

01:20:34 mircea_popescu: what sort of upside down shithole is that!

01:20:41 asciilifeform: 'stop jack from evicting teachers' << evicting engineers, or accountants, is presumably ok

01:21:26 mircea_popescu: no but it's like... yo shithead. you make enough to buy me a tie a year and are here protesting ? you're fucked, better hope you enjoy living in a sewer.

01:21:39 asciilifeform: this might call for some background story for the non-u.s. folks. here, 'teacher' is an iconic 'noble' profession, in the eyes of the liberasts

01:21:46 mircea_popescu: what happened to "we don't negotiate to terrorists" ?

01:21:49 asciilifeform: because they are typically paid by the (usually broke) state gov.

01:22:59 asciilifeform: 'gentrification' is a liberast technical term for the process discussed here a while ago, where slightly better paid wage slaves concentrate in an area and bid up the cost of housing.

01:23:50 asciilifeform: the 'starving artists', who often congregate in slums and enjoy the low cost, take to marching with protest signs.

01:24:12 mike_c: BI is (as usual) blowing shit out of proportion for headlines. 6 people were pissed they got evicted and made a sign. who cares.

01:24:15 mircea_popescu: i guess it's better for the environment than the usual crap they do (and call "art")

01:24:48 moiety: "...standing outside their house accusing them (falsely) of advocating sexual assault,..." wtf?!

01:24:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c ok mr cool head, go ahead, piss on my parade.

01:25:20 asciilifeform: another interesting detail - in many u.s. states, it takes ages to actually evict someone.

01:25:22 mike_c: I just hate BI. such trash. can't decide if they're worse than gawker, but it's a close race to the bottom of the toilet bowl.

01:25:56 asciilifeform: google has its own bus!?

01:26:01 mike_c: many of them.

01:26:15 moiety: not all have windows now

01:26:16 asciilifeform: i suppose the stories are true; next - their own morgue, cemetery...

01:26:19 mircea_popescu: mike_c no argument there.

01:26:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's called company town.

01:26:46 asciilifeform: i associate buses sans windows with... something else. not sure i'd care to ride in one, given a choice.

01:26:47 mircea_popescu: like lowell used to be. very instructive place, that.

01:27:10 mircea_popescu: go around through the dormitoirs where poor irish girls were required to sleep, compare to the contemporary black slaves' situation,

01:27:24 mircea_popescu: be very amused that anyone seriously thinks anyone'd believe they fought a war over that difference.

01:27:27 mircea_popescu: what fucking difference!

01:27:31 asciilifeform: afaik 'factory town' is the historic, international norm

01:28:04 mircea_popescu: notrly. it's more of a product of the empty spaces of the colonies, and the peculiar cvasi-catholic sects they followed.

01:28:24 asciilifeform: soviets did 'factory town' routinely.

01:28:39 mircea_popescu: ya but you know, historic'd mean "industrial age".

01:28:40 asciilifeform: some still function

01:28:45 asciilifeform: naturally

01:28:58 mircea_popescu: well, they didn't exist in brabant as such, nor in northern italy, nor in england

01:29:09 mircea_popescu: they did to some degree exist in scotland, which WAS a colony of england

01:29:14 asciilifeform: point.

01:29:17 mircea_popescu: they similarily did exist in the empty east

01:29:29 asciilifeform: round up the locals, herd into factory.

01:29:35 mircea_popescu: say nagasaki

01:29:44 mircea_popescu: founded by the portuguese as EXACTLY a corp town

01:30:13 asciilifeform: more from same loltron:

01:30:15 asciilifeform: http://www.businessinsider.com/silicon-valley-arrogance-bubble-2013-12

01:30:15 ozbot: Silicon Valley Arrogance Bubble - Business Insider

01:31:48 mike_c: if i had one bullet, and I was in a room with gawker, BI, and bitcointalk..

01:32:12 asciilifeform: clinton puts on parachute and jumps first.

01:32:15 asciilifeform: or perhaps, wrong joke.

01:32:20 mike_c: hehe

01:33:24 moiety: i would have to go with btctalk mike_c

01:33:40 mircea_popescu: mike_c let's take the violence out of it. if you had one cock...

01:33:51 mike_c: harder to turn that upon myself.

01:34:02 mircea_popescu: apparently it's done

01:34:13 moiety: just remove a rib

01:34:15 asciilifeform: marvels of gymnastics.

01:34:28 mircea_popescu: moiety no, that's for making a woman. different sport.

01:34:42 moiety: lol ^

01:34:50 moiety: i thought thats what Prince did

01:34:58 moiety: re ribs not making women

01:35:21 [\]: Manson did

01:35:34 mircea_popescu: wasn't manson going around kissing people's feet ?

01:35:45 asciilifeform: anyone remember the toy where a set of small pins is mounted in a frame - press in hand, and an impression of hand protrudes from the other side of the box ?

01:35:56 asciilifeform: eventually, someone will make a long and flexible version of this toy

01:36:01 asciilifeform: for auto-fellatio, etc.

01:36:02 mircea_popescu: hellraiser ?

01:36:23 asciilifeform: nah, a little gizmo that used to be sold at 'science souvenir' shops in the u.s.

01:36:54 asciilifeform: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61HnFypZdfL._SX300_.jpg

01:37:32 asciilifeform: http://www.bnpeters.com/digitally-reconfigurable-mold.html

01:37:32 ozbot: Digitally Reconfigurable Mold - bengineering

01:37:56 asciilifeform: afaik 'braille terminal' works similarly.

01:39:51 asciilifeform: in unrelated news,

01:39:52 asciilifeform: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2014/04/11/heartbleed-certificate-revocation-tsunami-yet-to-arrive.html

01:39:53 ozbot: Heartbleed certificate revocation tsunami yet to arrive | Netcraft

01:40:38 asciilifeform: (tldr - the pwned didn't give a damn yesterday, and they still don't today)

01:41:04 moiety: apprently " there is no evidence of a successful rib-removal surgery in all of the Western world. "

01:42:34 moiety: !up Mats_cd03

01:42:46 Mats_cd03: sankq

01:43:13 moiety: np, if you id with gribble you can up yourself in pm with assbot

01:44:20 Mats_cd03: mp: funny enough, ill be living in lowell in a few months with a friend

01:44:44 ThickAsThieves: cop beatboxing with rappers at OneSpark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkrvCHRVbh8

01:44:47 asciilifeform: gets a little more interesting:

01:44:48 asciilifeform: http://www.antievictionmappingproject.net/ellis.html

01:44:48 ozbot: Ellis Act Evictions - Anti-Eviction Mapping Project

01:44:49 Mats_cd03: i hear cambodian gangs roam the streets - ive never interacted with asian gangsters so this will be fun

01:45:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and likely will never arrive.

01:45:20 mircea_popescu: the incentive to do it is actually negative. if you run a site as a us business, and they can directly steal your data this way, they will.

01:45:27 mircea_popescu: if they can't, they'll just supoena you.

01:45:36 mircea_popescu: it's more expensive, so you actually don't want to run a clean system.

01:45:53 mircea_popescu: which is why nobody outside the us wants to use any us company fopr any purpose

01:45:58 mircea_popescu: and those inside the us, even less.

01:46:45 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 just a buncha derpy kids. at least a decade ago

01:46:48 asciilifeform: next comes the 'network disk', where the buggers don't need to settle for small change (ssl diddling, etc.)

01:46:52 mircea_popescu: make pretty good bread tho

01:47:52 asciilifeform: http://static.businessinsider.com/image/534895afeab8ea924687205d-1200/the-protesters-main-concern-was-the-eviction-of-some-of-the-citys-public-school-teachers.jpg

01:47:53 asciilifeform: lol

01:48:10 asciilifeform: http://static.businessinsider.com/image/534895af6bb3f7f34ffb5390-1200/there-was-also-a-strong-anti-tech-sentiment-throughout-the-protest.jpg

01:51:42 asciilifeform: http://www.businessinsider.com/protest-flyer-at-kevin-roses-house-2014-4

01:51:43 ozbot: Protest Flyer At Kevin Rose's House - Business Insider

01:52:08 asciilifeform: 'we are the ones who serve them coffee, deliver them food, suck their cocks...'

01:52:17 mircea_popescu: bird shat on kevin spacey's car.

01:53:55 Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: word is, theyre participating in the distribution of heroin. not kids anymore

01:55:19 mircea_popescu: things never stay put, do they.

01:56:41 mircea_popescu: .d

01:56:41 ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 837 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.1330% in 5d 9h 26m 5s

01:57:42 Mats_cd03: a storm is coming...

02:00:14 moiety: kakobrekla: have you seen Seraphim Falls? I think you might like it

02:00:40 kakobrekla: doesnt ring a bell

02:01:36 moiety: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0479537/ it's a wee bit like Dead Man

02:01:37 ozbot: Seraphim Falls (2006) - IMDb

02:02:01 kakobrekla: ill take a look but its got color.

02:02:40 kakobrekla: vastly different!

02:02:52 Mats_cd03: on the subject of movies, has anyone seen sunshine?

02:03:22 moiety: well worth a watch, promise. i feel they are a bit similar withthe trekking and hallucinatory bits

02:03:40 kakobrekla: hehe okay

02:18:08 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/HistoricalPics/status/455099382694944768/photo/1

02:18:09 ozbot: Twitter / HistoricalPics: "Why is [country] so..." Swedish ...

02:18:16 bitcoinpete: why is france so gay?

02:19:53 kakobrekla: the poor seems to be the main concern

02:20:23 bitcoinpete: as if they're sucking sweden's strength

02:20:51 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: also, pleasantly surprised to see myself on the aristocratic side of you/assetsvoice

02:22:19 kakobrekla: such is life

02:23:48 bitcoinpete: quite

02:24:27 bitcoinpete: i've definitely been cracking a few eggs around the bitcoin expo in toronto.

02:24:40 bitcoinpete: there's much teaching/unteaching to do here

02:25:42 bitcoinpete: much bowing to the foundation/ethereum/vc moolah/blahblah

02:25:56 kakobrekla: ah

02:26:10 kakobrekla: i dunno if there is success to be had there

02:26:22 bitcoinpete: lulz at least

02:27:10 bitcoinpete: and reputation to be established when all their thingies break and they remember that this was foretold

02:27:25 kakobrekla: !up TestingUnoDosTre

02:27:33 bitcoinpete: also, straightening of records re: mpex

02:27:38 TestingUnoDosTre: muchisimas gracias

02:28:57 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

02:30:08 bitcoinpete: that bitstamp volume seems low

02:31:23 TestingUnoDosTre: whats new

02:31:26 kakobrekla: with all the account locking, i wouldnt be so surprised

02:32:28 mircea_popescu: khersonus wanted to do options just as the spot market is disintegrating.

02:33:57 TestingUnoDosTre: khersonus ?

02:35:38 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;google khersonus

02:39:08 cgcardona_: This is the first time I've needed to verify my identity w/ a chatroom in that way. seems like a pretty powerful idea.

02:41:17 cgcardona_: so what exactly is the assbot -> gribble relationship? I auth/verify w/ gribble but the assbot is the room's bot? Any reason for having two bots for that?

02:41:47 *: moiety has misplaced frustration at this film

02:42:11 cgcardona_: gotta geotag all your frustration. That way you'll never misplace it.

02:42:33 moiety: lol

02:43:09 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ it is a very powerful idea

02:43:35 artifexd: assbot queries gribble for your ident status and gettrust relation to assbot.

02:44:12 mircea_popescu: the gribble-assbot relation is somewhat akin to the google-dns relation. one predates the other, and rather than it be reimplemented gratuitously, it's just used isntead.

02:44:22 cgcardona_: i see

02:45:01 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/the-end-of-an-era/ that dude

02:47:30 TestingUnoDosTre: february profit was 7968 BTC?

05:44:46 jurov: imsogay, morning wood, eh?

05:46:54 jurov: context for poor logreaders: *** [\\\\\\\\\\\\\\] is now known as [\\\]

05:50:48 moiety: something up with nickserv atm?

05:51:12 jurov: no just imsaguy swelling and shrinking

05:51:22 cgcardona_: yea nickserv's laggin for me too

05:51:40 cgcardona_: nickswerve

05:51:54 jurov: there are helluva splits... i was here alone for half hour

05:51:57 [\]: jurov, it is saturday night after all ;)

05:52:05 [\]: jurov, we lost some hubs.

05:52:25 jurov: lucky you

05:52:38 jurov: i have sunday morning

05:52:49 jurov: and not slept at all

05:52:53 jurov: :(

06:08:50 cgcardona_: yea that split was brutal.

06:09:08 cgcardona_: I just shut down my client for the whole time cause I was all alone

06:09:12 cgcardona_: foreveralone.jpg

06:09:46 moiety: jurov: what time is it with you? ive not slept wither, 7:09 here

06:09:57 moiety: either*

06:09:59 jurov: 8:09

06:10:20 moiety: dont wantto miss something at 7:35 // ahh kk why didn't you sleep?

06:10:46 cgcardona_: ;;gettrust assbot

06:10:58 jurov: i was nervous and could not calm down

06:11:20 jurov: most likely explanation is that i'm in love and wanted to be with him yest

06:11:36 jurov: but he had no time for completely stupid reasons

06:11:59 jurov: *nervous -> upset

06:12:50 cgcardona_: how do I get on assbot"s wot?

06:13:10 cgcardona_: wow that sentence reads strangely

06:13:19 jurov: bribe someone that's in assbot's trust list?

06:13:22 cgcardona_: ah I see

06:13:25 cgcardona_: got it

06:13:54 cgcardona_: I'm still trying to fully understand the wot

06:14:02 cgcardona_: wotupwidit

06:15:12 jurov: :)

06:15:18 jurov: it's really not so hard, just become slave to a piece of shitty code that has something to do with mpex

06:15:34 jurov: and then you can enjoy the privileges

06:16:16 jurov: wow i'm still really in bad mood.. better go retry sleep now

06:17:43 cgcardona_: heh

06:27:30 moiety: hope you feel better after a sleep jurov

06:30:47 cgcardona_: ;;gettrust mgk

06:40:28 fluffypony: ;;ident

06:40:55 fluffypony: netsplits.

06:43:50 moiety: nickserv is having a stroke today

07:18:47 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

07:19:03 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

09:11:20 bounce: ``[Erik Naggum] disliked C++, though not as much as he hated Perl, but he generally thought that C++ was too difficult to understand to such a degree that only about 5 people on the planet truly understood it and hence was of little value for humanity.'' (wikipedia) -- how's that for an elitist language, eh. jealous much? *gdr*

10:26:38 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TestingUnoDosTre yes

10:29:05 mircea_popescu: jurov: but he had no time for completely stupid reasons << aww!

10:31:06 mircea_popescu: omfg teh butthurt!

10:38:24 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlEMp2UCMAAQnc7.png << check out kansas.

10:42:27 mircea_popescu: also, fresh from the pointless factoids department: every day this week days is gonna be the same backwards. 4/12/14 through 4/19/14.

10:47:51 bounce: what silly backward country are you in, anyway?

10:48:50 mircea_popescu: romania. what gave it away ?

10:49:23 bounce: the nuxi problems

10:49:54 mircea_popescu: ;;google "nuxi problem"

10:50:10 mircea_popescu: da fuck ?!

10:50:20 mircea_popescu: oh oh bwahaha

10:51:15 mircea_popescu: i'll have you known that the biggest endian fail is MIDDLE ENDIAN

10:51:21 mircea_popescu: like you know, teh us does it.

10:52:23 bounce: hence ISO8601. and yet...

10:52:30 mircea_popescu: myeah.

11:12:56 bounce: just read through defusedxml's list of things that can go wrong with xml. just have to wonder how those financial types using FIX handle this, if at all.

11:34:22 jurov: hm, seems like mircea_popescu recently got a propensity to solutions that break under bad external circumstances

11:34:33 jurov: it took assbot 5 minutes to give me voice

11:34:43 jurov: because gribble is slow

11:35:46 jurov: anyway, i just read ethereum "yellow paper" http://gavwood.com/Paper.pdf

11:36:22 jurov: it has a feel of rogirous math publication, yet it's brimming with unsolved problems

11:36:36 jurov: *rigorous

11:37:23 jurov: such as, turing-complete computations are bounded and paid for by "gas" allocated

11:37:24 bounce: but! aristocracy! can't make things too easy, don't you know.

11:38:02 jurov: yet i don't see a good nethod to verify gas expended without redoing whoiole computation

11:42:18 mircea_popescu: jurov you shouldn't have voice anyway because not enough sleep!

11:42:19 jurov: yea, and it strives to avoid evil ASICs but as presumably they can't think of one, it will start with a placeholder one

11:43:06 mircea_popescu: bounce http://fraudsters.com/2014/china-is-the-place-to-be/

11:43:06 mircea_popescu: i suggest you learn from one man's discipline!

11:43:06 jurov: i did sleep some, it helped :)

11:43:07 jurov: *one = proof of work function

11:43:53 mircea_popescu: now that's a fucking accomplishment, excess flood while muted. guy prolly went all spaz

11:44:39 mircea_popescu: !up MCM-Mike

11:45:01 mircea_popescu: nanotube dja need some help hosting gribble ?

11:47:09 *: jurov reads

11:47:24 jurov: mircea u got cockblocked too or what?

11:48:26 mircea_popescu: what's that ?

11:49:07 jurov: ;;ud cockblocked

11:49:08 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Cockblocked

11:49:33 jurov: or what inspired you for that blog

11:50:33 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha this is a thing ?

11:51:07 mircea_popescu: i wish to see it sometime. but anyway, no, just the notion of attaching penalty to speech makes me want to attach speech to the entire matter.

11:51:09 mircea_popescu: and also, goats.

11:51:18 fluffypony: yeah it's happened to me before

11:51:30 fluffypony: normally when her friend/sister knows you and your reputation

11:51:33 fluffypony: and wants to "save" her from you

11:51:54 fluffypony: so she hangs around whining about how much the place sucks and she wants to go home

11:52:05 fluffypony: and every joke you make she keeps a deadpan face and says "that isn't funny"

11:52:31 mircea_popescu: fluffypony this always happens. girl decides to fly over to be my slave, family hosts an intervention, we laugh at it afterwards.

11:52:53 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: hah, interventions are for quitters

11:53:06 mircea_popescu: same principle.

11:53:22 mircea_popescu: "do what a buncha dorks getting in your face tell you to"

11:53:32 mircea_popescu: sorta like marketeer's wet dream.

11:53:38 fluffypony: lol

11:53:55 moiety: dafuq is going in that picture?

11:54:06 moiety: actually i dont want to know

11:54:12 mircea_popescu: moiety https://sg.news.yahoo.com/china-blogger-offers-remorse-rumour-spreading-court-162207880.html

11:56:23 moiety: - 'Discipline has been good for me' -

11:56:57 fluffypony: yeah

11:57:02 fluffypony: I'd like to thank my detention center

11:57:26 mircea_popescu: i guess this increments my forum extraditions by one.

11:58:16 moiety: jail?

11:58:32 moiety: i think they should host btctalk over in china for a bit

12:06:40 fluffypony: !market

12:06:46 fluffypony: wrong channel

12:12:07 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/22wi4p/hey_shibes_i_rarely_have_complaints_about_this/

12:12:20 mircea_popescu: !up cedivad

12:12:22 fluffypony: "Why this matters. Bitcoin is powerful. Bitcoin is wealthy. We do not need to make these people our enemies."

12:12:54 mircea_popescu: fluffypony a little late for that.

12:13:47 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cedivad to be voiced in #bitcoin-assets, first you id with gribble, then you pm assbot !up

12:17:48 mircea_popescu: ;;rate cedivad 1 bitcointa.lk

12:17:58 mircea_popescu: meh.

12:20:24 mircea_popescu: !up CheckDavid

12:29:49 mircea_popescu: !up cedivad

12:33:48 cedivad: my lazy client is simply reconnecting automatically every time that i power it on/off... Not sure of why i should be "voiced"?

12:34:00 mircea_popescu: just making sure you know how if you want to.

12:35:00 cedivad: well, i've nothing smart to say, i'm sorry. I've just finished to write a complaint i will send to the public inquiry unit of california, nothing interesting (hashfast sucks)

12:35:34 cedivad: btw i fixed the stupid bug that made bitcointa.lk lose posts every night starting from 3am

12:35:51 mircea_popescu: lol well you never know, maybe something smart strikes :D

12:36:07 mircea_popescu: did your hashfast chips blow out ?

12:37:10 cedivad: nah, i simply never received them, you know, arbitration against them, they will probably take everything they can out of the company and declare bankrupcty

12:37:43 mircea_popescu: o wow srsly ? i thought they were actually delivering.

12:38:10 cedivad: they haven't delivered shit during the last month or two; they are mining themselves probably

12:38:21 cedivad: and ship it as a MPP in a few months

12:38:49 mircea_popescu: ah so they shipped some units earlier in the year to lure more orders then just stopped basically ?!

12:39:09 cedivad: basically, yes

12:39:26 cedivad: they are using third parties to claim to be bankrupted (using it as an excuse for the delay in shipping)

12:39:34 mircea_popescu: pretty fucking scandalous.

12:39:41 cedivad: and in the meanwhile they are selling their chips to third parties (like vmc)

12:40:14 mircea_popescu: basically the list of mining companies that don't also turn scams is vanishingly slow.

12:40:21 cedivad: nothing is scandalous anymore in the mining industry... what i would love is to see them stopped and in jail

12:40:22 mircea_popescu: at most they run for a year or two

12:40:41 mircea_popescu: s/slow/short

12:40:59 mircea_popescu: http://hashfast.org/List_of_Lies << there's a wiki lol

12:41:00 ozbot: List of Lies - HashFast Wiki

12:41:09 cedivad: yeah, i wrote that

12:41:26 cedivad: the home page is more of a good read http://hashfast.org/Main_Page

12:42:06 mircea_popescu: you gotta start a blog sometime.

12:42:28 cedivad: and what should i talk about? hashfast? :D

12:42:36 mircea_popescu: inconfutable isn't english. irrefutable or incontrovertible.

12:42:51 mircea_popescu: cedivad the reason i say blog is because you seem to have a lot to talk about. bitcointalk, hashfast, etc.

12:43:19 cedivad: basically by forcing them to disclose the delivery dates in the contract with TSMC you could have a smoking gun to use against them in a fraud proceeding

12:44:08 mircea_popescu: seems bitcoin infrastructure needs an overhaul.

12:44:39 cedivad: * irrefutable fixed

12:44:41 mircea_popescu: anyway, car's here, ima bbl.

13:22:20 jurov: !up cedivad

13:22:41 jurov: i don't write very often on the blog. but it's good to have.

13:27:18 cedivad: i actually have one, but i never really wrote about hashfast, bitcointa.lk or any other of my web-related experiences (i manage some really huge websites)...

13:42:53 jurov: gonna start sometime

13:43:34 jurov: if for nothing else, there need to be more sane voices

13:53:26 kakobrekla: mornin

13:53:59 Apocalyptic: mornin

13:54:13 Apocalyptic: heh blockr.io completely bugged because of btc-e down

13:54:21 Apocalyptic: I can't even load http://atc.blockr.io/

13:55:02 Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, tell your guys they can add timeouts on queries on external websites you know

14:00:15 kakobrekla: hm

14:00:17 kakobrekla: works here?

14:03:15 Apocalyptic: weird then

14:12:01 benkay: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: google did the same thing with python. spot/coopt an emerging thingy of whatever quality, hire its writers and most active folks, all of a sudden you have access to the best talent in newlang world. speshully the young and easily bamboozled, who get to 'work' 'closely' with the designers of their language.

14:15:05 thestringpuller: benkay

14:15:07 thestringpuller: go to bed

14:15:48 thestringpuller: benkay teach me lisp

14:15:49 BingoBoingo: ;;rate HeySteve 1 Did a thing with words

14:16:09 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: did you get that thing i sent you?

14:16:21 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Yeah, thanks

14:17:04 thestringpuller: i jav

14:17:11 thestringpuller: i need to update it

14:17:54 thestringpuller: maybe you can help. eventually i was hoping to have a script that pulled an insult from the list...

14:18:21 BingoBoingo: Maybe. I'd need to github set up

14:19:37 HeySteve: (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)

14:30:53 benkay: thestringpuller: got plenty of sleep, tyvm.

14:32:08 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

14:54:21 kakobrekla: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/04/07/charge-your-phone-in-30-seconds-an-israeli-firm-says-it-can/?mg=blogs-wsj&url=http%253A%252F%252Fblogs.wsj.com%252Fdigits%252F2014%252F04%252F07%252Fcharge-your-phone-in-30-seconds-an-israeli-firm-says-it-can

14:54:22 ozbot: Charge Your Phone in 30 Seconds? An Israeli Firm Says It Can - Digits - WSJ

14:54:45 ThickAsThieves: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/13/us/politics/obama-lets-nsa-exploit-some-internet-flaws-officials-say.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=2

14:54:47 ozbot: Log In - The New York Times

14:56:09 ThickAsThieves: such fucking doublespeak

14:56:59 ThickAsThieves: they're all like We now have rules that gov should report discovered flaws, but yknow, we wont report shit if we like it that way

14:57:08 ThickAsThieves: so, no news

15:02:36 benkay: http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2014/04/08/andreessen-beware-non-silicon-valley-investors-bearing-high-valuations/

15:02:39 ozbot: Andreessen: Beware Non-Silicon Valley Investors Bearing High Valuations - Venture Capital Dispatch

15:02:41 benkay: wish i had problems like that

15:09:56 ThickAsThieves: username dignork is sending spam pm's

15:10:20 BingoBoingo: How spammy?

15:12:11 pankkake: ;;ident dignork

15:12:40 fluffypony: [17:12:29] -NickServ- dignork has enabled nick protection

15:12:50 fluffypony: I doubt it's someone else?

15:15:50 pankkake: !up dignork

15:15:53 pankkake: lol

15:16:07 benkay: !up dignork

15:16:13 asciilifeform: Charge Your Phone in 30 Seconds << let's do math

15:16:26 benkay: whee! maf!

15:16:38 asciilifeform: 'ipnohe' battery - 1.430 ampere-hours, 3.7v

15:16:49 dignork: ThickAsThieves, sorry, the message was intended to kakobrekla, about the 30 sec message

15:16:59 asciilifeform: ;;calc 1.430 * 3.7

15:17:02 asciilifeform: watt-hours

15:17:16 asciilifeform: ;;calc 5.291 * 3600

15:17:18 asciilifeform: joules

15:17:43 dignork: asciilifeform, it's because they charge their own battery: http://phys.org/news/2014-04-storedot-second-battery.html

15:17:44 asciilifeform: ;;calc 19047.6 / 30.0

15:17:54 asciilifeform: joules per second when charging in 30 sec

15:18:12 asciilifeform: aka watts

15:18:33 asciilifeform: need we say more?

15:19:09 benkay: gon' get hot.

15:19:26 kakobrekla: yea well of course you cant charge the battery so fast out of thin air

15:19:55 asciilifeform: lithium cells already have interesting problems when the safety fuse, for whatever reason, fails to blow

15:20:10 kakobrekla: anyway these battery 'revolutions' come once a week, for the past, i dunno, 10 years

15:20:13 asciilifeform: thus, what can charge in 30 seconds can almost certainly discharge in... 1.

15:20:15 asciilifeform: or 0.01

15:20:18 kakobrekla: we still use same shit.

15:20:21 asciilifeform: boom.

15:21:25 kakobrekla: <assbot> Insufficient rights, pankkake. < cause of the split :\

15:21:34 pankkake: yeah, I figured, I'm auth again

15:21:47 asciilifeform: anyone who knows of, say, a MOSFET rated for 600W, that fits in a phone, please wake me up

15:21:49 asciilifeform: i could use one.

15:24:15 asciilifeform: likewise, go and put 600W for 30 sec. through a phone-sized piece of whatever material you like, then put it in your pocket, get back to us.

15:24:33 dignork: asciilifeform, originally they where talking about new type of battery which can be charged fast, not too amazing since there are supercapacitor batteries already.

15:24:48 ThickAsThieves: i had a macbook pro with an ""exploding" battery once

15:24:50 asciilifeform: dignork: worth investigating the properties of actual, rather than mythical, supercaps

15:24:54 asciilifeform: you can buy them

15:25:00 asciilifeform: buy one, experiment

15:25:04 ThickAsThieves: i was so stoked cuz i bought it with money from winning a juried art show

15:25:09 asciilifeform: they have gigantic internal resistance

15:25:16 ThickAsThieves: then the next morning it was all swelling

15:27:36 asciilifeform: if the 'mythical holy grail battery' were ever to appear, you will know about it - not from idiot press releases and grantsmanship, but - from laser pistol fire in the streets.

15:27:50 asciilifeform: ;;lasers

15:28:08 ThickAsThieves: how to protect myself from the laser apocalypse?

15:28:12 ThickAsThieves: mirror shields?

15:28:16 ThickAsThieves: :)

15:28:30 kakobrekla: wear sunglasses at night

15:28:47 dignork: asciilifeform, sparfun toy: https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Components/TS12S-R.pdf, rated/max current 1750/4500, probably in mA

15:29:40 asciilifeform: dignork: right, these.

15:29:59 asciilifeform: dignork: notice the internal resistance given for specific currents?

15:30:08 dignork: asciilifeform, so the current listed is for discharge?

15:30:11 asciilifeform: dignork: that's because it's non-linear.

15:31:33 asciilifeform: http://www.tecategroup.com/ultracapacitors-supercapacitors/ultracapacitor-FAQ.php

15:31:51 asciilifeform: if ultracaps did not have large internal resistance, you would not ever want to be near, much less carry, a charged one

15:32:32 dignork: asciilifeform, this datasheet is horrible, looks like they list different devices, and for 10F device there is only one max resistance - 80 at 3A

15:32:58 dignork: asciilifeform, talking about sparcfun datasheet

15:33:00 asciilifeform: the chemistry of the ultracap gives it intrinsically high resistance

15:33:47 asciilifeform: which makes it a useful gadget, for powering clocks, etc. rather than what would amount to an unstable explosive.

15:35:38 asciilifeform: if you want a portable gizmo that can be 'charged' in seconds, without carrying a bomb, fuel cells on butane (as in cigarette lighter) are probably your ticket.

15:37:12 asciilifeform: you can move fuels, unlike electric charge, without gigantic thermal losses

15:38:28 asciilifeform: and, assuming you are storing only fuel and not oxidizer, you can safely carry it without fear of it releasing all of the energy stored therein within a second

15:39:24 asciilifeform: but, fossil-fueled phones aren't 'sexy', or 'green', whatever.

15:40:00 kakobrekla: micro RTG? :)

15:40:13 fluffypony: rtg?

15:40:19 fluffypony: oh nm

15:40:21 fluffypony: thanks wikipedia

15:40:23 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: buy a 'traser' keychain. solar cells. you can get a few microamps.

15:40:56 kakobrekla: meh solar

15:41:07 kakobrekla: havent you seen the matrix?

15:41:10 asciilifeform: strap a 'peltier' to your wrist. body heat. a milliamp or so.

15:41:25 kakobrekla: ah you have seen it.

15:41:27 kakobrekla: :D

15:42:08 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if i recall, the original script for the film called for the robot overlords to use mankind as distributed computing elements, rather than 'batteries'

15:42:15 asciilifeform: but this was later 'dumbed down.'

15:42:50 kakobrekla: robots use mankind as computing elements come on

15:42:57 kakobrekla: what sort of a sick joke is this

15:43:05 asciilifeform: less of one than 'battery'

15:43:41 dignork: kakobrekla, they use humans to solve capcha

15:43:49 kakobrekla: dignork :DD

15:45:07 kakobrekla: i dont think its optimal to keep the whole brain and whole human alive to compute some stuff

15:45:19 fluffypony: asciilifeform: yeah I remember something like that too, the battery thing was done to make it more accessible

15:45:23 kakobrekla: the machines surely would have figured that out

15:45:58 fluffypony: I don't play games often, but damn the Civilization: Beyond Earth trailer makes me want to play again

15:46:02 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what we do with farm animals isn't exactly optimal

15:46:20 fluffypony: and it's going to be on Linux

15:46:26 fluffypony: http://www.gametrailers.com/news-post/73123/sid-meiers-civilization-goes-sci-fi-with-beyond-earth

15:46:27 asciilifeform: 'We shall escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts separately under a suitable medium.'

15:46:31 asciilifeform: (winston churchill)

15:46:54 kakobrekla: yes that is happening nowdays

15:47:10 asciilifeform: ever eat a cultured cell?

15:47:15 asciilifeform: try it

15:47:22 kakobrekla: no i cant say i have

15:47:42 cgcardona_: damn cryptsy is slow- withdrew 7 different coins about 24 hrs ago and the transactions are still *pending*

15:47:48 kakobrekla: you tried it?

15:47:56 asciilifeform: how about a herbivorous insect, like cicada

15:48:02 asciilifeform: they taste like grass.

15:48:07 asciilifeform: 'you are what you eat

15:48:07 asciilifeform: '

15:48:26 asciilifeform: the simpler the metabolism, the more so.

15:49:36 cgcardona_: what is the general take in here on altcoins? cool to discuss or not here?

15:50:09 cgcardona_: i've been pretty excited about master coin and colored coins

15:50:27 cgcardona_: and of course I've been dabbling in alt just cause I like the idea of cryptos in general

15:51:36 benkay: cgcardona_: are they actually in the memory pool or has cryptsy not broadcast them yet?

15:52:23 cgcardona_: it looks like cryptsy hasn't broadcast them yet. cause I created new addresses for each withdraw/coin and I'm not seeing those addresses show up on any blockchains yet

15:52:38 kakobrekla: asciilifeform i guess we wait until humans manage to grow functional brains on a petri dish, then the argument will be settled.

15:52:50 cgcardona_: i've read online that 24 hrs has happened to other people. so I'm gonna wait until later today before I contact support.

15:53:21 benkay: cgcardona_: altcoins are always worth talking about, although some more than others.

15:53:40 cgcardona_: awesome. my thoughts exactly

15:56:02 cgcardona_: i'm wondering how the alt coin scene will change w/ the arrival of mastercoin and/or colored coins and/or sidechains. If I understand correctly these will layer abstractions upon bitcoin which will use a satoshi as a level of abstraction to represent anything (stock option, gold bar, keys to a car, deed to a house, etc). If that's the case then all that value should be driven back into the bitcoin blockchain right?

15:56:15 cgcardona_: which would seemingly push the value of an individual btc highter.

16:00:22 ThickAsThieves: more likely, they will do nothing but liberate bitcoins from those who dont deserve them

16:00:42 ThickAsThieves: at least for the forseeable future

16:03:16 cgcardona_: ThickAsThieves: can you explain what you mean by that? How will they accomplish that?

16:06:25 ThickAsThieves: depends on the specific case, but, for example, some of these things require you to "burn" coins, or somewhat permanently assign them

16:06:47 ThickAsThieves: if/when that sidething dies, what then?

16:07:00 ThickAsThieves: if/when that sidething scams, what then?

16:07:05 ThickAsThieves: etc

16:07:45 ThickAsThieves: then, take colored coins

16:08:12 ThickAsThieves: the push for them comes from a desire to remove centralized exchanges for stocks or property

16:08:36 ThickAsThieves: but it doesnt remove the risk that the issuer is going to liberate your value

16:08:45 ThickAsThieves: it actually makes it more likely

16:09:01 ThickAsThieves: it also doesnt remove regulatory fears

16:09:09 benkay: basically paper only has value if there's someone with a gun backing that statement of value.

16:09:18 benkay: bitcoin isn't strong enough to enforce alloidal title.

16:09:22 benkay: yet.

16:09:28 ThickAsThieves: it places MORE burden on the issuer of the color

16:09:36 benkay: take danielpbarron for instance

16:09:48 cgcardona_: ThickAsThieves: interesting points. I'll consider them.

16:09:56 ThickAsThieves: !up TestingUnoDosTre

16:09:58 benkay: dude is selling an in-game-currency 'meat' on one of the distributed exchanges

16:10:00 benkay: !up danielpbarron

16:10:19 benkay: nobody is enforcing he honor his contract for meats.

16:11:11 ThickAsThieves: !up TestingUnoDosTre

16:11:58 benkay: http://blockscan.com/assetInfo.aspx?q=MEAT

16:12:02 TestingUnoDosTre: anyone know where the instructions are for this gpg key verification ? can't find in the log

16:12:20 benkay: ("Disclaimer: Blockscan is not responsible for the accuracy of the content listed here.")

16:12:32 benkay: what do you mean by gpg verification, TestingUnoDosTre ?

16:12:39 benkay: decrypting gribble's one-time-pad?

16:13:04 TestingUnoDosTre: no, i mean joining the wot or whatever so I don't have to get voiced up ery 30 minutes

16:13:08 ThickAsThieves: you need to register with WoT and register that same nick with freenode nameserv

16:13:24 ThickAsThieves: someone made a guide i think

16:13:32 ThickAsThieves: not surre if it includes all steps

16:13:32 TestingUnoDosTre: that's what I'm lookin for

16:13:39 benkay: ;;google bitcoin-otc guide wot

16:13:53 TestingUnoDosTre: whoops, was looking in teh wrong log

16:13:57 ThickAsThieves: ;;google #bitcoin-assets +m

16:14:13 benkay: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide#Registration.2C_authentication.2C_and_validation

16:14:15 ozbot: Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki

16:14:58 benkay: basically

16:15:15 benkay: ;;eregister <wot name> <pgp long id>

16:15:43 benkay: ;;everify <decrypted blob returned from previous command>

16:15:53 fluffypony: ,,gg

16:16:05 fluffypony: ,,bg

16:16:21 fluffypony: only works on -otc

16:16:21 fluffypony: [18:16:11] <+fluffypony> ,,bg

16:16:21 fluffypony: [18:16:12] <@gribble> http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide

16:16:36 benkay: ;;bg

16:16:40 benkay: huh.

16:16:42 fluffypony: yeah I know

16:16:47 fluffypony: it's ,, not ;; for that

16:16:50 fluffypony: I have nfi why

16:17:17 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;ident TestingUnoDosTre

16:18:36 benkay: also distributed exchanges do shit like publish charts that only go through february: http://blockscan.com/burn.aspx

16:19:06 benkay: although i guess xcp is a limited time burn thing?

16:19:17 benkay: which is scamcoin red flag of the highest order.

16:19:22 fluffypony: yeah

16:19:27 fluffypony: you could only burn at the beginning

16:19:31 fluffypony: I don't think you can burn now

16:20:30 benkay: abhorrent.

16:21:58 cgcardona_: I just recently registered for this room. I had to register my nick w/ nickserv. Then w/ gribble i `register cgcardona_ <gpg ID>`. gribble replies w/ a challenge string which I then signed w/ my gpg key and put on to pastebin. Then to gribble I said `verify <pastebin url>` and my registration was good. Now to assbot I ca n`!up` and it works. Each time to register w/ gribble I `auth cgcardona_ ` to which it replies w/ anoth

16:21:59 cgcardona_: challenge string that I again sign and put on pastebin.

16:22:12 cgcardona_: not sure if that helps of if that's all extremely obvious for everyone in here.

16:22:40 cgcardona_: *helps at all

16:23:01 benkay: if you do ;;eauth cgcardona_ , you can decrypt the otp you get in return and then ;;everify that string

16:23:28 benkay: a little script that curl otp-url.php | gpg -d | pbcopy on os x is how i do things

16:23:37 benkay: so that i can just ;;everify (cmd p)

16:23:57 fluffypony: benkay: "The protocol was coded to create XCP on any address that sent less than or equal to 1 BTC to 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr between blocks 278310 and 283810 This was written right into the open-source code. So no individual had to be trusted to accept money then distribute a genesis block like with Next, Mastercoin, Emunie, Ethereum, Levelcoin (ipo scam), Visacoin (ipo scam)"

16:24:00 fluffypony: from reddit

16:24:07 cgcardona_: cool I'll check that out benkay

16:25:09 benkay: fluffypony: these initial burns are just as much a crime as premining.

16:25:32 fluffypony: benkay: I actually don't understand the point of this at all

16:25:32 cgcardona_: very interesting. I'd not heard that argument before.

16:25:50 benkay: http://blockscan.com/asset.aspx

16:26:05 benkay: (^^ wtf am i supposed to do? examine every thing individually??)

16:26:14 cgcardona_: so you're saying it's like premining in the sense that the people creating the coins which need to be burned in to are starting the game with a bunch of the new coins for themselves?

16:27:04 fluffypony: benkay: presumably the active ones will punt their asset?

16:27:27 benkay: the whole thing is a punt

16:27:40 benkay: look, an exchange is by definition a place people gather to exchange a thing

16:27:58 benkay: if i have to go to bitcointalk.org to read about your 'asset', you've failed.

16:28:19 fluffypony: agreed

16:29:13 fluffypony: I also don't see what's wrong (fundamentally) with an exchange being a central point of issuance/authority/failure, as long as it's not built and run like mtgox or litecoininvest or whatever

16:29:43 benkay: it is a time honored practice, this centralizing of important things.

16:29:45 benkay: docks

16:29:48 benkay: banks

16:29:50 benkay: libraries

16:30:03 cgcardona_: ok then can I spin it as all of the burn in coins will just remove btc from the blockchain thus driving value to the blockchain a la' "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."

16:30:20 benkay: but you just burnt bitcoins.

16:30:27 benkay: they're gone forever.

16:30:37 benkay: n/21 million gone.

16:30:38 cgcardona_: right - and satoshi's quote says "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."

16:30:50 cgcardona_: my last question was partially in jest

16:31:24 benkay: donations to everyone are not needed.

16:31:50 benkay: when the world economy is denominated in btc, these pennies will not materially affect how much or less i can buy with my btc.

16:32:31 benkay: economy size being fixed, and my share of the pool being fixed (income aside)

16:32:41 cgcardona_: but who is to say it will only be pennies? What if someone were to burn 75% of all btc into other coins. that would surely affect the price of the remaining btc by more than pennies.

16:32:55 benkay: price, and today.

16:33:18 ThickAsThieves: the pie is 100% no matter ho0w many slices

16:33:23 ThickAsThieves: this is the point

16:33:42 benkay: besides, it's a garbage example. anyone controlling significant numbers of btc won't be burning significant numbers of them. maybe the odd equivalent of a buttcoin to see some derps flail with their piggyback chains, but not a significant number.

16:34:07 cgcardona_: i personally agree with you. but I don't think I can speak for "anyone controlling significant numbers of btc"

16:34:15 cgcardona_: people act irrationally

16:34:32 cgcardona_: and we dont know what jesus coins may arrive in the future. people may be incentivized to burn coins en mass

16:34:45 cgcardona_: but actually I agree w/ you overall. just arguing the point for the sake of clarity

16:34:56 ThickAsThieves: people may grow unihorns too

16:34:56 benkay: and the earth may orbit backwards tomorrow.

16:35:01 cgcardona_: :D

16:35:03 asciilifeform: best racket will be to 'burn,' rather than burn.

16:35:41 fluffypony: asciilifeform yeah

16:35:58 fluffypony: given a sufficiently powerful vanity address generator

16:36:03 fluffypony: you could convince people it's a burner

16:36:24 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;eregister TestingUnoDosTre DFBEC17DF96DFB77

16:36:50 cgcardona_: so let me see if I understand. I tell people I'm creating cgcardona_coin and that they need to burn coins into 1cgcardonafuckingrulesAdfusd address which is actually my personal address?

16:36:52 fluffypony: that sentence was all wrong, but you get my drift

16:36:59 benkay: btw TestingUnoDosTre that OTP url is unique for the duration of your use of that key. so feel free to hard code it into any scripts you write.

16:37:11 fluffypony: cgcardona_: yes, that burner address was 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr

16:37:13 TestingUnoDosTre: nice

16:37:20 cgcardona_: fluffypony: ah ok I'm getting it now

16:37:27 fluffypony: to generate that with vanitygen or oclvanitygen would take more time than there is on the sun

16:37:37 benkay: time on the sun nice

16:37:51 cgcardona_: haha

16:38:00 benkay: i've heard of mixed metaphors, but you blended that one

16:38:01 ThickAsThieves: *could* take more time

16:38:09 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves is right

16:38:10 fluffypony: could take

16:38:31 benkay: mhm.

16:38:37 benkay: burning. considered stupid.

16:38:46 cgcardona_: glad we had this talk.

16:39:00 fluffypony: stumbling across a randomly generated BTC privkey that is for an address with funds is equally possible and probably more likely

16:39:00 cgcardona_: i had been buying into the mastercoin and colored coins hype

16:39:01 fluffypony: :-P

16:40:03 ThickAsThieves: glad you asked!

16:40:11 benkay: distributed autonomous corporations

16:40:15 benkay: ick

16:40:16 ThickAsThieves: ick

16:40:18 ThickAsThieves: lol

16:40:34 benkay: getting a bit echo-y in here...

16:40:54 ThickAsThieves: asschamber

16:41:41 benkay: an individual suggesting a business could be run on algorithms is demonstrating why that person is unsuited to make claims about businesses.

16:42:22 benkay: even your gambling operation will need human intervention from time to time.

16:42:41 benkay: unless you hook the cold wallet up to the robot too, which, anathema.

16:42:58 fluffypony: yeah

16:43:18 fluffypony: that's why the whole Internet marketing / Warrior Forum thing is such a clever scam

16:43:25 fluffypony: because they keep advertising things as "hands off"

16:43:35 ThickAsThieves: one day i want to grow up and be a DAC cab company owner

16:43:53 fluffypony: like you're just going to start this auto-blogging thing and it'll go and you won't need to touch it and the funds will just flow in

16:44:08 benkay: "you don't even need to know anything!"

16:44:14 benkay: get. the. fuck. out.

16:44:43 fluffypony: passive income is not a thing unless you happen to write a massive single that will be played for the next 100 years, or write a timeless book that will be sold for the next 100 years

16:44:57 benkay: 500k in the bank

16:45:01 benkay: move to thailand

16:45:20 fluffypony: ask MisterE about that:-P

16:45:29 cgcardona_: fluffypony: more accurately if you *produce* a massive single. writers/performers get screwed as well

16:45:30 benkay: or 500B, live off the deflationary behavior

16:45:35 benkay: in like 30 years

16:45:57 ThickAsThieves: fluffypony even music income isnt passive

16:46:05 ThickAsThieves: needs lawyers, enforcement, etc

16:46:09 fluffypony: and concerts and promotions

16:46:09 cgcardona_: ^

16:46:17 fluffypony: and book signings

16:46:21 fluffypony: and TV appearances

16:46:30 cgcardona_: and flavored drinks

16:46:36 cgcardona_: (i'm looking at you 50 cent)

16:46:37 fluffypony: heh

16:46:40 ThickAsThieves: plus who the fuck pays for music anymore?

16:46:42 fluffypony: "new fluffypony cola"

16:46:44 benkay: wow hey i just realized a thing

16:46:52 benkay: code tutorials with product placement

16:47:14 ThickAsThieves: this code brought to you by Mountain Dew

16:47:24 benkay: var MountainDew = "yourbutt"

16:47:27 cgcardona_: haha

16:47:37 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I do peripherally - I have a Songza premium sub ($0.99 a week) and a Rdio Unlimited subscription ($10/month)

16:47:39 benkay: great hustle

16:47:41 fluffypony: but I don't pay per song

16:47:55 ThickAsThieves: well i do too, but yknow

16:48:00 benkay: impossible to find anything on those damn services

16:48:06 cgcardona_: I pay for music at live shows quite often. That's where the real hustle is

16:48:10 ThickAsThieves: so far pandora wins

16:48:16 ThickAsThieves: great at finding new music

16:48:19 fluffypony: Rdio is actually really awesome - you can "sync" stuff to mobile, which basically just downloads the songs and stores them in the app

16:48:29 fluffypony: so kinda like buying it and having a local copy except not

16:48:32 cgcardona_: yea spotify does that as well

16:48:41 ThickAsThieves: fluffypony they all do that

16:48:45 benkay: kinda almost like copying the file and putting it on a device

16:48:47 benkay: o.O

16:48:50 ThickAsThieves: lol

16:48:53 fluffypony: lol

16:48:56 cgcardona_: haaha!

16:49:01 cgcardona_: except they can take it whenever they want!

16:49:04 benkay: except shittier and stupid.

16:49:12 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yeah but none of them have been available in South Africa till Rdio came along

16:49:30 kakobrekla: !up TestingUnoDosTre

16:49:49 ThickAsThieves: !up TestingUnoDosTre

16:49:58 kakobrekla: ty

16:50:00 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;eregister TestingUnoDosTre DFBEC17DF96DFB77

16:50:19 ThickAsThieves: yw

16:50:43 cgcardona_: omg 'proof-of-burn' is actually a thing

16:50:51 cgcardona_: i thought that was just the greatest stoner joke ever

16:51:10 cgcardona_: i didn't realize that's what the concept was actually called (reading https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395761.0)

16:51:48 fluffypony: heh

16:52:04 benkay: proof of burn is a great way to get people to buy into your thing

16:52:52 benkay: do it, now you have this tiny network of people who need to see the value of their coins increase. they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea.

16:53:19 benkay: plus, you now have an entirely constricted supply.

16:53:58 benkay: consider a bitcoin thing; an alt chain, a piggyback thing, whatever it is.

16:54:37 cgcardona_: "they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea." - couldn't you say the same thing about most people who have a vested interest in something succeeding?

16:54:42 benkay: if it throws away big important parts of bitcoin (like say distributing supply semi-randomly according to capital power, the txn processing network), it's probably fucking stupid.

16:54:55 benkay: cgcardona_: bitcoin especially

16:55:02 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;;verify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d9e4395d378eb882437ec77d6fb080db6aedf418eb220b117fbfc9c1

16:55:07 benkay: ;;everify

16:55:09 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d9e4395d378eb882437ec77d6fb080db6aedf418eb220b117fbfc9c1

16:55:17 fluffypony: wd TestingUnoDosTre

16:55:21 TestingUnoDosTre: now I just need some trust!?

16:55:33 fluffypony: specifically you need to be in assbot's primary trust

16:55:36 cgcardona_: TestingUnoDosTre: so does that mean you don't have to reauth everytime you come into the room?

16:55:39 benkay: or secondary

16:55:42 benkay: ;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre

16:55:43 fluffypony: or secondary

16:55:46 benkay: ;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre assbot

16:55:58 cgcardona_: ;;gettrust benkay

16:56:18 benkay: ;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 an entity.

16:56:37 benkay: let the rating dilutions begin.

16:57:08 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;gettrust TEstingUnoDosTre

16:57:09 benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: you can now !up yourself via pm with assbot

16:57:22 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot TestingUnoDosTre

16:57:37 TestingUnoDosTre: do I have to add trust to assbot?

16:57:40 fluffypony: nope

16:57:40 TestingUnoDosTre: or rate

16:57:52 benkay: no, it works the other way around.

16:57:55 cgcardona_: so I'm able to up myself but I have no trust w/ assbot. how is that working?

16:58:05 benkay: ;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 still using a web client

16:58:13 benkay: ;;gettrust cgcardona_ assbot

16:58:17 TestingUnoDosTre: :D

16:58:27 benkay: !down cgcardona_

16:58:33 benkay: !up cgcardona_

16:58:39 benkay: !down cgcardona_

16:58:42 TestingUnoDosTre: !up TestingUnoDosTre

16:58:48 benkay: fascinating.

16:58:57 benkay: you !up yourself in pm with assbot, TestingUnoDosTre

16:59:02 TestingUnoDosTre: gotcha

16:59:20 benkay: cgcardona_: can you really up yourself? would you demonstrate that?

16:59:22 benkay: ;;ident cgcardona_

16:59:25 cgcardona_: sure

16:59:34 cgcardona_: just did it

16:59:43 benkay: so part and then rejoin

16:59:47 cgcardona_: ok

16:59:49 cgcardona_: brb

17:00:06 kakobrekla: asciilifeform what was that recent blogpost link re dont come to merrica again?

17:00:18 benkay: ;;ident cgcardona_

17:00:33 benkay: ;;ident cgcardona_

17:01:07 benkay: waiting on you, cgcardona_

17:01:44 fluffypony: sweet Harrison Ford AMA

17:01:49 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/um6ijro.jpg

17:01:57 fluffypony: he looks like a wizard

17:01:58 cgcardona_: ok i'm back w/ voice benkay

17:02:11 cgcardona_: the time lag is that I need to reauth w/ gribble each time which takes a second.

17:02:11 benkay: ;;gettrust cgcardona_ assbot

17:02:25 benkay: kakobrekla: what's going on with cgcardona_ ?

17:02:46 benkay: just self-upped with no lvl2 trust to assbot.

17:02:57 benkay: s/to/from

17:03:16 cgcardona_: kakobrekla: gave me a little trust yesterday. i think that was sufficient

17:03:23 cgcardona_: just so that I could !up

17:03:30 benkay: ;;gettrust kakobrekla assbot

17:03:34 cgcardona_: i'm still unclear on how to get trust from assbot

17:03:37 benkay: ;;gettrust kakobrekla cgcardona_

17:04:02 kakobrekla: is gribble bugged?

17:04:06 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_

17:04:24 benkay: no, it's directional.

17:04:24 kakobrekla: well there it is

17:04:27 kakobrekla: yeah

17:04:30 kakobrekla: makes sense

17:04:37 kakobrekla: naughty cgcardona_ didnt rate back,.

17:04:37 benkay: mhm

17:04:50 cgcardona_: kakobrekla: I'm new! will rate right now (googling how)

17:04:55 benkay: uh so i guess this means i have to update ratings

17:04:56 kakobrekla: :D

17:04:57 cgcardona_: still new to wot

17:04:58 kakobrekla: no worries

17:04:59 cgcardona_: :)

17:05:04 TestingUnoDosTre: wwhy did assbot say I wasn't authenticated?

17:05:24 kakobrekla: ;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre

17:05:29 benkay: ;;rate Ssateneth 3 good exchange

17:05:32 kakobrekla: at this point we will need #bitcoin-assets-support

17:05:32 TestingUnoDosTre: hrmph

17:05:42 kakobrekla: s/point/rate

17:05:49 benkay: ;;rate mircea_popescu 3 bitlord

17:06:05 benkay: ;;rate kakobrekla 3 such ops

17:06:27 benkay: ;;rate jurov 2 great to work with

17:06:29 cgcardona_: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 For allowing me to have voince in #bitcoin-assets

17:06:39 benkay: ;;rate mod6 2 monk

17:06:46 benkay: ;;rate davout 2 did not 0day me

17:07:37 kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre does assbot still say you are not authed?

17:07:50 TestingUnoDosTre: looks like it does not

17:08:10 cgcardona_: ;;gettrust cgcardona_

17:08:15 cgcardona_: trust noone ^

17:09:22 TestingUnoDosTre: can't rate myself, what kind of sham is this!?

17:09:32 benkay: ;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 #bitcoin-assets +v

17:11:10 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate dignork 1 helped me register gpg key. Bitcoin-assets support 5 stars *****

17:19:22 cgcardona_: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 For allowing me to have voice in #bitcoin-assets

17:19:27 cgcardona_: fixing typo ^^

17:24:27 Anduck: !up gribble

17:24:34 Anduck: n00b assbot

17:24:37 Anduck: !up anduck

17:24:40 Anduck: wtf

17:24:56 Apocalyptic: <Anduck> !up gribble // he's already upped... as you are

17:25:07 Anduck: well hmm yea

17:27:01 Anduck: !up gribble

17:27:03 Anduck: ok

17:27:14 Anduck: i thought it was because i wasn't authed

17:27:17 Anduck: but now i am =)

17:27:26 Apocalyptic: what are you trying to do ?

17:27:33 Anduck: just testing assbot

17:28:18 bounce: ;;echo !up anduck

17:30:15 kakobrekla: noobs.

17:30:27 Anduck: noobs?

17:30:52 kakobrekla: if you !up yourself via pm with assbot you get all the rights you get

17:31:10 Anduck: why does it say "insufficient rights"?

17:31:20 kakobrekla: you dont get those if you are upped by someone else or if theres a split like it was.

17:31:38 Anduck: !up anduck

17:31:42 Anduck: nice

17:31:52 kakobrekla: you just self pwned yourself

17:31:55 Anduck: i kno

17:31:58 Anduck: i can selfpwn anyone

17:32:01 Anduck: like gribble, right=

17:32:01 Anduck: '

17:32:03 kakobrekla: i found a bug.

17:32:12 Anduck: i found it too =)

17:32:22 Anduck: well, it's not a bug but... that is a bug

17:32:33 Anduck: ;;echo !up assbot

17:32:40 Anduck: !up assbot

17:32:44 Anduck: ahh

17:32:46 Anduck: he doesn't do bots.

17:33:24 kakobrekla: ;;echo !up Assbot

17:33:58 kakobrekla: the problem is, theres a difference between "!up Anduck" and "!up anduck"

17:34:02 Anduck: hmm

17:34:03 Anduck: ok

17:34:03 kakobrekla: i noticed it now.

17:34:05 Anduck: !up Anduck

17:34:13 Anduck: !up anDuck

17:34:18 Anduck: heh

17:34:41 Anduck: !up Gribble

17:34:44 Anduck: shiiit

17:35:01 kakobrekla: just do !down anduck

17:35:10 Anduck: !down Gribble

17:35:14 Anduck: hmm

17:35:29 kakobrekla: down yourself.

17:35:29 Anduck: gribble needs permavoice, though

17:35:33 Anduck: !down anduckj

17:35:34 Anduck: !down anduck

17:35:39 kakobrekla: meh

17:35:47 kakobrekla: no gribble just needs less idiots messing around with stuff

17:35:52 fluffypony: lol, so there's a new Japanese exchange: btcbox.co.jp

17:35:55 fluffypony: from reddit: "Just to clarify, this is not a new Gox. They were only here cos that fat french fuck had to run away from his previous crimes. This exchange appears to be a proper japanese exchange aimed at the Japanese people."

17:36:09 Anduck: haha you just called me an idiot, right? =D

17:36:21 kakobrekla: maybe i did

17:36:49 bounce: timeless lessons of software engineering.

17:36:50 mircea_popescu: sounds legit

17:39:00 ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22xjx4/my_wife_is_complaining_that_the_house_is_cold/

17:39:00 ozbot: My wife is complaining that the house is cold.... because we sold our bitcoin miners... : Bitcoin

17:39:02 ThickAsThieves: lol

17:39:09 ThickAsThieves: "And before she was complaining that the house was too noisy... because we had bitcoin miners...

17:39:09 ThickAsThieves: can't win."

17:39:25 ThickAsThieves: "sell your wife next time"

17:39:30 Anduck: should buy noiseless miners

17:39:34 Anduck: bitfurys for example =)

17:40:04 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves until and unless he starts spanking her, definitely.

17:41:21 nubbins`: noiseless wife, even

17:44:57 mircea_popescu: dn?

17:45:14 mircea_popescu: fail.

17:45:33 mircea_popescu: ˙uǝʌǝ ןıɐɟ

17:46:20 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: any reccommendations on what software to use to talk to gpg for automated things?

17:46:51 Anduck: make bash script

17:46:52 fluffypony: uʍop¡

17:47:01 fluffypony: ɟʇʍ 'ʞɹoʍ ʇ,usǝop

17:47:05 mircea_popescu: prolly a bash script'd be the best

17:47:36 fluffypony: ¿ʇoqssɐ oʇ assbot ǝɯɐuǝɹ pןnoɥs ǝʍ ǝqʎɐɯ

17:47:56 benkay: hard question is how best to set up box with gpg on network and wire it to other boxen doing stuff.

17:48:35 mircea_popescu: why on network ? hook them up on serial cable and write your own protocol.

17:48:56 benkay: "network"

17:50:00 benkay: but thx mircea_popescu

17:51:01 bounce: interfacing gpg is clunky to the point there's a library to make it easier, gpgme (haven't checked how much it helps, to me it's just another annoying dependency), though some programs just run the commands and look at the answer strings

17:51:41 thestringpuller: all these unicode characters are killin issi

17:52:24 bounce: though if you go (bourne, not bourne again please) script it's probably a good idea to tell the thing to use "C" for a locale, lest the thing suddenly talks french or something

17:53:04 thestringpuller: bounce: sounds like a problem for pankkake

17:53:17 FabianB: pympex and MPEx.rb use gpgme

17:54:21 thestringpuller: good 'ol mpexagent ;)

17:54:22 mircea_popescu: gpgme isn't bad, there's also a gpgagent thing that seems solid

17:54:32 thestringpuller: agents scare me

17:54:33 mircea_popescu: just you know, whatever you're doing

17:56:39 FabianB: gpgme is a library for gpg, gpg-agent just just 'remember my pw for a period of time'

17:56:40 mircea_popescu: !up dignork

17:56:51 mircea_popescu: yo. dja know how to up yourself ?

17:58:19 dignork: mircea_popescu, why?

17:58:39 mircea_popescu: so you can do it lol

17:59:31 bounce: spammy spammy assbot

18:00:42 dignork: mircea_popescu, this kind of contradicts the new elitist channel model

18:01:11 mircea_popescu: how you mean ?

18:01:19 mircea_popescu: !up only

18:01:20 mircea_popescu: yo.

18:02:22 only: danke mircea_popescu

18:02:56 dignork: ;;echo !up dignork

18:02:57 mircea_popescu: sure.

18:03:09 dignork: tor access seems to be horribly lagging anyway:( so even my attempt to check if grible echo hack works was pointless :(

18:03:13 mircea_popescu: dignork you id with gribble and then pm assbot !up

18:03:23 mircea_popescu: and gribble hack doth not work, no.

18:04:10 mircea_popescu: http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/assbot-level-2-trust/ < gotta be on this list. you get there by getting in the wot and getting rated by someone in assbot's trustlist

18:04:11 ozbot: assbot level 2 trust | Khersonus Blog

18:04:51 Anduck: assbot: take your head off your ass

18:04:57 jurov: ;;gettrust assbot dignork

18:05:09 dignork: i know the drill mircea_popescu, but nobody trusts me enought anyway :)

18:05:16 dignork: *enough

18:06:29 mircea_popescu: well maybe in time huh.

18:07:07 benkay: what do we think about 1's for +v?

18:07:46 benkay: obvs not for robwhiz22 etc al but those who appear to be on the right track

18:08:09 mircea_popescu: judgement call for teh 29

18:08:19 benkay: ;;rate dignork 1 #bitcoin-assets +v

18:09:01 benkay: dignork: are you selling btc atm?

18:09:48 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot dignork

18:10:08 mircea_popescu: i dun recall if i linked this

18:10:09 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlExt5iCAAAf6jn.png:large

18:10:36 jurov: to da moon!

18:10:48 benkay: > implying?

18:11:14 dignork: benkay, i can sell some small amount, just for kicks, why?

18:12:56 pankkake: dignork would have had a trust through me soon anyways

18:13:43 mircea_popescu: dignork why so emo srsly ? apparently tons of people were going to trust you enough

18:15:14 dignork: i have some trust on otc, but the group in assets does not intersects too much

18:15:23 pankkake: bounce: there is --with-colons. I never had to parse actual text content from GPG, exit codes etc. were enough

18:15:40 punkman: if you want to gpg with python: https://pythonhosted.org/python-gnupg/

18:15:44 pankkake: but the state of python libs is weird… there's like at least three libs and they all suck

18:15:48 bounce: sure. mutt doesn't use gpgme either, IIRC

18:15:55 only: any tobacco smokers in here? I want a rating as well :)

18:16:39 bounce: ::rate -1 only unhealthy character

18:16:40 mircea_popescu: lol cigs for access ? this sounds like the old time clubs are here :D

18:17:27 pankkake: I'm thinking of hoarding tobacco, as a doomsday currency

18:17:34 *: bounce isn't too sure python doesn't secretly suck either. then again, might be I'm reading too many naggum links.

18:17:40 only: pankkake: good thinking

18:18:02 bounce: risky though. one fire and all your currency goes up in smoke.

18:18:08 mircea_popescu: pankkake definitely worked that way in the west

18:18:11 mircea_popescu: !up toffoo

18:18:15 only: any brands in mind, pankkake?

18:18:26 mircea_popescu: you could just as well buy a wife for 40 leaves

18:18:31 benkay: no no bounce

18:18:33 benkay: it sucks.

18:18:42 benkay: java with less typing is all.

18:18:59 pankkake: no, I don't know the first thing about it. my first step would be learn how to store it so that it lasts

18:19:03 bounce: there's some cute things you can do with it that're less possible with java

18:19:27 only: pankkake: a big ass humidor should suffice

18:19:41 mircea_popescu: or a lot of apple slices.

18:20:07 mircea_popescu: anyway, there are those who claim old tobacco properly stored is actually better than new.

18:20:49 mircea_popescu: !up omen1855

18:21:25 benkay: such new folk

18:21:25 danielpbarron: neato

18:21:59 bounce: so I rewrote that thing from yesterday in python then fixed the calculations: http://pastebin.ca/2695668 apparently this "comprehensions" thing is a bit contagious.

18:22:15 *: jurov found some vintage "taras bulba" tobacco from 1960s.. so you say it has some value?

18:22:18 only: mircea_popescu: Virginias age wonderfully :)

18:22:59 pankkake: I love list comprehensions. I'm sure lispfags will scoff at it though!

18:23:12 mircea_popescu: jurov taras bulba or trash vulva ?

18:24:33 jurov: lol... it was named after nikolai gogol's novella

18:25:03 mircea_popescu: is this the one with the kidnapped underage chick where the author blames the chick ?

18:26:14 jurov: i had not read(nor smoke) it wikipedia says nothign about chix

18:26:18 fluffypony: [20:24:57] <xodianbarr> fyi the prypto shares early adopter offering ends tonight. Tomorrow they will be unavailable and on Tuesday they go on bitcoinbourse. Anyone purchasing at least 1 share till the deadline gets a private share for every public share purchased and the opportunity of the private share account which gives an insight into dividend profit build up monthly.

18:26:41 fluffypony: another bitcoinbourse "asset" is coming

18:27:05 bounce: heh. so, you have to buy one sooper sekrit share now or be bereft of the company books forever?

18:27:17 jurov: yes, i mentioned it, "bitcoin stickers IPO"

18:27:21 jurov: beyond farcical

18:27:25 mircea_popescu: jurov i was just pretending gogol's nabokov.

18:28:01 mircea_popescu: fluffypony prypto ? srsly ?!

18:28:09 fluffypony: https://prypto.com/investment/

18:28:10 ozbot: Prypto: Welcome to Prypto

18:28:19 mircea_popescu: holy shit!

18:28:20 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/

18:28:21 ozbot: Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely wrong pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu

18:28:31 mircea_popescu: yesterday i write, today they apply ?! gotta love these new scammers.

18:29:48 pankkake: I thought it was a typo

18:30:05 fluffypony: uh, but Google has stated on more than one occasion that exact match domain names are no longer relevant

18:30:11 fluffypony: http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2214115/Google-Warns-of-Upcoming-Exact-Match-Domain-Algorithm-Change

18:30:35 thestringpuller: ;;google REPL

18:30:45 thestringpuller: booooo

18:30:49 jurov: whut are they gonna use? soundex?

18:31:49 mircea_popescu: aproximex

18:34:04 *: bounce tries and fails to come up with a funny connecting "africanisation of the west" to the fail that is "black culture" in the US and bright eyed young white pasty silly vally kids

18:34:45 mircea_popescu: this should be a play.

18:34:52 mircea_popescu: write it and be forever known as bouncespeare

18:35:00 mircea_popescu: sorta like shake v2.0. bounce.

18:35:51 *: bounce is no good with drama. but hey, n'ver know what the morrow bringeth

18:36:39 bounce: maybe should go and look at that onion "white niggah" thing for inspiration

18:36:41 fluffypony: can we cast robwhizz22 as court jester?

18:37:29 mircea_popescu: bounce to learn a craft, you copy the masters. pick a play, rewrite it for your topic, publish your clumbsy attempt for general ridicule.

18:37:51 mircea_popescu: if you've a modicum of culture and read the damned things you stand some chance of at least picking the right one for the purpose.

18:38:04 mircea_popescu: in any event, twenty or so years later you may have become mediocre at it.

18:39:22 bounce: well, at least I got your unequivocal encouragement

18:39:55 mircea_popescu: indeed!

18:40:36 dignork: mircea_popescu, DNS article, topic related name might get indexed by search engine in forum links etc, so they might not be a total waste of money

18:41:28 mircea_popescu: this is a point, indeed. a minor one, i suspect.

18:41:44 fluffypony: dignork

18:41:52 fluffypony: most forums nowadays are nofollow links

18:42:12 mircea_popescu: !up starsoccer

18:42:36 starsoccer: oo thanks mircea_popescu

18:42:48 mircea_popescu: yw.

18:42:48 starsoccer: just did it via pm but it told me i need to auth

18:42:49 starsoccer: ;;ident

18:42:55 starsoccer: guess im not authed

18:43:00 starsoccer: ;;bcauth starsoccer

18:43:01 mircea_popescu: yes you need to get in the wot and auth.

18:43:13 starsoccer: i am, just gribble keeps login me out

18:43:15 starsoccer: idk why

18:43:33 mircea_popescu: if it doesn't see you it logs yu out

18:43:48 starsoccer: well i ussually idle in a few so it always sees me

18:43:51 starsoccer: anyways let me auth

18:44:33 mircea_popescu: you're on the l2 list, so after you do you can pm assbot !up and it'll permavoice oyu.

18:44:52 starsoccer: kk

18:44:57 starsoccer: 12list?

18:45:10 bounce: ;;gettrust assbot starsoccer

18:45:20 dignork: another example then: otc user shilling a service with domain name consisting of "bitcoin" and "insanity", i'll never remember the domain name, but googling these two terms kinda brings me to his site

18:45:22 mircea_popescu: !up aadeseye

18:46:06 mircea_popescu: dignork the reason you don't remember it is precisely that it had bitcoin in it and your brain spaces it out. i don't remember all the coin* shit either.

18:46:40 mircea_popescu: if it was some unique well chosen 5-6-7 char word you prolly would have remembered it.

18:49:18 dignork: mircea_popescu, yes, but in this case "google" algo kicks in, and he still gets a customer, so this dns exploits another mind bug , instead of browser autocompletion

18:49:46 bounce: two consonants at the start is nice for re-visits, not so much for first looks, typing from a commercial or the decals on a lorry or whatever

18:50:51 mircea_popescu: if you're good enough to actually get forum mentions the effect in question is comparatively weak. if you're weak and rely on trying to spam forums it won't likely get you anything anyway. at least in a high level survey sort of mindset. no denying that derping on the internet could turn your 100 bux and 110 hours a week into 1k or w/e, just... who cares about that.

18:51:47 bounce: and I have no idea what google is up to now. so if you do site:example.com it'll substitute that as it sees fit? -- getting results out of them is getting fuzzier and fuzzier so that's no surprise, but it is annoying for those cases where I really want this exact search query and not the "properly spelled" one or whatever those US-based barbarians think I should've typed

18:53:10 dignork: mircea_popescu, so to exploit both bugs, on par with bitcointicker.co I

18:53:19 dignork: I'd register kjwhatver to make it accessible

18:53:20 bounce: plenty people care about winning small in the same way that wossname home traders want to feel like a trader much more than making money trading

18:55:14 artifexd: ;;eauth artifexd

18:55:43 artifexd: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:aca8c3b4fedadc86aa1bbfe5fe456d92d8526d3b3a40225231aafe17

18:56:02 artifexd: Yay!

18:56:10 benkay: !down artifexd

18:56:17 benkay: !up artifexd

18:56:19 artifexd: !down benkay

18:56:20 benkay: !down artifexd

18:56:32 benkay: boo

18:56:48 artifexd: Oooo! Test

18:56:50 artifexd: !up artifexd

18:57:00 benkay: !up benkay

18:57:07 benkay: really, assbot.

18:57:07 artifexd: Hmm... no self-pwning possible anymore.

18:57:13 kakobrekla: benkay cant down artifexd cause he upped himself

18:57:22 benkay: yeah gotcha

18:57:24 kakobrekla: there is still one bug left :\

18:57:36 bounce: only one? oh my.

18:58:16 kakobrekla: ok , one that i currently intend to fix

18:58:28 artifexd: kakobrekla: What is that bug? For, you know, science.

18:58:39 Azelphur: what's the point of the whole +v for 30 minutes thing anyway?

18:59:18 benkay: fresh blood?

18:59:51 mircea_popescu: bounce sure, no argument.

18:59:53 artifexd: The point is to, eventually, increase the signal to noise ratio.

19:00:14 artifexd: For now though, hey! New toy!

19:00:17 mircea_popescu: problem is 100 hours at minimum wage + your upfront would make more than the "winning in a small way"

19:00:25 mircea_popescu: i guess incultured independence is a thing, even so.

19:00:34 cgcardona_: i figured forcing people to register w/ their pgp/gpg keys forces some sort of accountability for your actions/words in the room.

19:00:42 bounce: call it a hobby and it's win-win all the way

19:00:53 Azelphur: I just find it annoying xD

19:01:03 danielpbarron: i like it

19:01:04 kakobrekla: artifexd telling would spoil all the fun.

19:01:20 Azelphur: I haven't bothered to talk much here any more since having to auth up and stuff, especially with the freenode splits recently

19:01:49 benkay: ;;echo !down gribble

19:01:58 Azelphur: lol

19:02:08 benkay: hue hue hue

19:02:30 kakobrekla: actually Azelphur , stats say you were relatively most active in last week

19:02:33 benkay: tbh kakobrekla i thought you'd fixed that one!

19:02:33 kakobrekla: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com

19:02:56 kakobrekla: benkay that not a bug that just retards in the playground

19:02:56 kakobrekla: :D

19:03:15 Azelphur: yea, it's coincidence more than anything else, there's been a few times I've typed stuff in here, had it dropped because of +m and gone to speak elsewhere instead

19:03:35 Azelphur: I could understand accountability (no +v if you're not gribbled, or requirement of WoT ratings) but the messaging every 30 minutes is very bizarre.

19:04:46 kakobrekla: what?

19:04:50 kakobrekla: you !up yourself on pm

19:04:54 kakobrekla: you voice in nao permanent

19:05:06 kakobrekla: *for the duration of session

19:05:30 Azelphur: oh? I'm sure I remember it grumbling about 30 minutes or something, fair enough

19:05:34 artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot Azelphur

19:05:41 kakobrekla: yeah you can up anyone here for 30 min

19:05:48 Azelphur: I see

19:05:54 kakobrekla: but you can up yourself if you have wot

19:06:04 kakobrekla: then it does not have a timer

19:06:27 kakobrekla: and if you up yourself, you can up others, not otherwise

19:06:45 Azelphur: fair enough then I suppose, not as bad as I thought, only thing that would be nice is having it automate the entire process :)

19:06:58 Anduck: yea

19:07:00 kakobrekla: write a script

19:07:02 kakobrekla: publish it

19:07:16 kakobrekla: take the fame and chicks.

19:07:31 Anduck: i'll just irc elsewhere when i'm too lazy to do /msg assbot !up

19:07:52 kakobrekla: sounds like it does indeed work like it should.

19:08:01 Anduck: indeed.

19:08:03 starsoccer: ;;bcauth starsoccer

19:08:14 Anduck: kakobrekla: then again, is that the purpose of this channel

19:08:40 ThickAsThieves: "A study in mice shows that trauma might be inherited through altered gene expression in sperm"

19:09:00 starsoccer: kk goived

19:09:02 starsoccer: kk voiced

19:09:06 kakobrekla: if you dont find it worth of typing !up, the content is not worthy of polluting this chan with

19:09:17 starsoccer: lol

19:12:57 ThickAsThieves: question for you guys, I have someone that never claimed their S.MG PT shares on Havelock

19:13:00 ThickAsThieves: now they want them

19:13:04 ThickAsThieves: I have them on MPEX

19:13:10 ThickAsThieves: but do not run the PT anymore

19:13:17 ThickAsThieves: should i tell them to CoinBr? or?

19:13:31 ThickAsThieves: offer to sell into bids for them?

19:14:49 ThickAsThieves: i guess i could xfer some to HL and get them to coordinate, but then, really it may be easier to just buu them on HL

19:14:53 ThickAsThieves: buy*

19:15:53 ThickAsThieves: oh lol, theyre way cheaper on HL

19:15:55 ThickAsThieves: nvm

19:18:32 ThickAsThieves: wow HL is slow now huh

19:25:18 ThickAsThieves: ALC has raised 48btc

19:25:40 mircea_popescu: !down artifexd

19:25:46 mircea_popescu: blergh

19:25:51 artifexd: Ha!

19:25:54 Duffer1: only 11152 short of their goal

19:26:19 mircea_popescu: Azelphur you never USED to talk much here, like [\\\]

19:26:25 mircea_popescu: but since the new rules you HAVe been talking a lot

19:26:30 mircea_popescu: perhaps 10x past week as your prev 2 months

19:26:30 Duffer1: it's nice to see recent havelock scams falling flat on their faces

19:26:43 mircea_popescu: so it's a case of the newspaper memory hole imo

19:26:49 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: hehe, sort of coincidence really, but yea :)

19:28:15 Anduck: kakobrekla: too bad but that's a lie

19:28:16 Anduck: lol

19:28:24 kakobrekla: what is?

19:28:27 Anduck: just fancy sounding words

19:28:40 Anduck: what you said before your last line

19:29:21 kakobrekla: its not a lie if i honestly believe so!

19:34:49 ThickAsThieves: http://eater.com/archives/2014/04/11/app-offers-unlimited-coffee-at-independent-nyc-coffee-shops.php now they just need to accept bitcoin and the dream is real!

19:35:27 benkay: at a party last night someone said "all business transactions are fictitious" and apparently my reaction was amusing enough to justify staging a reenactment: http://imgur.com/SdbMdMf

19:36:25 mircea_popescu: benkay so apparently you hang out with peopple who believe whatevert they don't understand doesn't really exist

19:36:31 mircea_popescu: and then come up with fancy ways to dress that shit up

19:36:50 benkay: nobody was serious

19:36:56 mircea_popescu: also omfg you & your friends may be the hipsterest people i know

19:37:08 benkay: well you're old thats no real surprise

19:37:59 ThickAsThieves: didnt people at parties look like that 10 years ago too?

19:38:19 ThickAsThieves: is hipsterism basically dressing like it's laundry day?

19:38:34 benkay: glorifying being broke?

19:39:38 mircea_popescu: i think you may be on to something there.

19:39:41 mircea_popescu: both of you

19:39:52 bounce: "just look at me being a dork but I get away with it because I'm cooler than thou"

19:40:53 bounce: from what little I've seen the dress code is quite amazingly strict, though.

19:40:54 ThickAsThieves: and the reason i'm cooler is because i say so and i want to be

19:41:40 ThickAsThieves: and, and because i'm an annoying contrarian

19:41:55 ThickAsThieves: sum it up?

19:41:57 bounce: plenty places have their own distinct subcultures. japan seems to have fscktons of kinds of hipsters.

19:42:12 ThickAsThieves: wouldnt that make them something else?

19:43:07 ThickAsThieves: i thought hipsters were dudes with mustaches & suspenders, and girls in wool dresses

19:43:14 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves except check this shit out : "clearly this shit works but it's a coincidence because i don't think it should or see why it would"

19:43:37 bounce: could try and compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_(1940s_subculture)

19:44:03 ThickAsThieves: i like those hipsters better

19:44:07 ThickAsThieves: potheads with style

19:44:18 ThickAsThieves: oh wait

19:44:25 ThickAsThieves: "sarcastic humor, self-imposed poverty and relaxed sexual codes."

19:44:27 ThickAsThieves: lol

19:45:00 bounce: ``During the jive era of the late 1930s and early 1940s, African-Americans began to use the term hip to mean "sophisticated, fashionable and fully up-to-date"'' -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie_(etymology)

19:45:04 mircea_popescu: that hipster sarcasm is the worst fucking cry for help i ever heard.

19:45:22 ThickAsThieves: "The words hep and hip are of uncertain origin"

19:45:32 ThickAsThieves: hepatitis?

19:45:33 mircea_popescu: it's like "please don't kick us out of here, we know we don't belong, can this count as a getoutof kicking ?"

19:45:51 ThickAsThieves: it's a disease and everyone wants it!

19:46:09 ThickAsThieves: be one of us

19:47:57 *: bounce recalls some discussion about deep purple laughing about a bunch of others because they were so "out of tune with what was happening in londen at the time" -- due to having the wrong haircut

19:48:22 mircea_popescu: haircuts for men. definitely important.

19:48:28 bounce: it's the small things that mark you part of the pack

19:49:28 mircea_popescu: maybe that was neobee's problem

19:49:30 bounce: 80s, rock, long hair. yeah, haircuts are important.

19:49:34 mircea_popescu: denny didn't have the right ceocut.

19:49:54 bounce: bit late to try and sell'im that advice for 54 bitcoin

19:50:11 bounce: s/80s/70s/ I suppose. n'mind.

19:50:32 thestringpuller:

19:50:36 thestringpuller: lol

19:51:14 mircea_popescu: hair metal ?

20:00:06 asciilifeform: <robwizz22> Just so you know, I am an individual like you - NOT with any organization. I am not in any way associated with the NSA or other organization. On the other hand, you seem to be following their M.O. and trying to weaken security. You are basically simply committing fraud. What you've designed to date is totally useless and 100 times less secure than not buying any such device at all (i.e. using o

20:00:06 asciilifeform: ff

20:00:06 asciilifeform: <robwizz22> the shelf usb storage to store a private key and pass phrase). You are lying about its benefits. You've come up with something absolutely and utterly useless. If it's a scam, good job. I like how you spread FUD about me trying to "introduce heartbleed" (which doesn't make any sense - the Cardano is a USB device) when I pointed this out. You obviously are smart enough to know that is a simple a

20:00:09 asciilifeform: nd

20:00:11 asciilifeform: <robwizz22> complete lie, meant to play on people's recognition of the word "heartbleed bug" without knowing what it is. There is no SSL anywhere within 100 miles of a Cardano, nor did I ever mention it. You seem to be playing off of your audience's ignorance. Is this really want you want to be doing with your life? Selling snake oil? Being a fraud?

20:00:16 asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> you started out suggesting wifi and ssl. in the channel. now buzz off.

20:01:18 Apocalyptic: more attack vectors, \o/

20:01:33 asciilifeform: does sunlight only work against vampires? what does one zap spammers with?

20:02:10 benkay: /ignore

20:02:21 asciilifeform: benkay: doesn't seem to work for priv msgs.

20:02:41 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, it should

20:02:58 benkay: asciilifeform: which widget?

20:03:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude you're incredible. why do you keep posting that stuff ?!

20:03:03 bounce: /ignore you MSG would do it here.

20:03:30 Apocalyptic: in Xchat you have to specify a mask followed by ALL if you want to block everything

20:03:34 mircea_popescu: i mean the original author sorta managed to get himself excreted, for this reason. what is it, like self loathing ?

20:03:55 asciilifeform: ok seems like that worked.

20:04:08 benkay: asciilifeform dreams of trolling his 'real' purposes out of him.

20:04:10 bounce: http://toxin.jottit.com/xchat_ignore says PRIV NOTI

20:04:10 ozbot: toxin: XChat Ignore

20:04:28 asciilifeform: benkay: i've given up - the man's a broken record.

20:05:02 benkay: well it sounds as though he's progressed to calling /you/ a fraud. that's progress.

20:05:12 benkay: fraudgress

20:05:26 bounce: "this way to the egress"

20:05:50 benkay: wither the egrets though

20:06:44 bounce: and then they come back. regrets.

20:08:09 mircea_popescu: lol regrets

20:09:07 mircea_popescu: aw shit my monitor's going ;/

20:09:12 mircea_popescu: just turned blue

20:09:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wiggled the plug?

20:09:41 bounce: "es leuchtet blau" -- which for some reason is not nearly as funny in the original

20:11:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i hit it with my fist. it came back on

20:11:24 mircea_popescu: but you know...

20:12:58 asciilifeform: every nice crt i've ever owned, with or or two exceptions - eventually the raster goes

20:13:00 asciilifeform: usually horizontal

20:14:14 mircea_popescu: bounce this is the sort with the power inside

20:14:30 bounce: and a CRT to boot. you likes dem high voltage, no?

20:15:48 bounce: though shouldn't be too heavy on the SMD stuff. ie, reasonably repairable.

20:16:05 asciilifeform: bounce: so long as the tube is alive, yes.

20:16:30 asciilifeform: somewhere, there probably still lives a man who can re-wind a burned yoke.

20:16:30 benkay: so i don't like crypto + aristocrat > cryptocrat

20:16:48 asciilifeform: and you can get flybacks still.

20:17:26 bounce: or source a large stack of them for parts (and get money to take'em away)

20:17:42 benkay: cryptocracy?

20:17:48 asciilifeform: one day, a 'virginal' high quality crt will be a mega-luxury. like stradivarius.

20:18:10 bounce: buy up the factory for a song

20:18:17 benkay: mircea_popescu BingoBoingo bitcoinpete cryptocrats? cryptocracy?

20:19:02 BingoBoingo: benkay: Prolly to early for a label. Wait for some lulzy incedent to reveal the proper term.

20:19:21 benkay: buttcoiners i guess in the meantime

20:21:25 asciilifeform: anyone care to recommend an irc client with whitelisting feature?

20:22:28 benkay: what do you mean by whitelisting, asciilifeform ?

20:23:14 asciilifeform: block all priv msgs. other than from whitelist

20:23:23 kakobrekla: benkay reverse blacklist :D

20:23:37 mircea_popescu: wayt what ?

20:24:24 benkay: do it yourself in erc?

20:25:10 fluffypony: benkay: didn't El Reg call mircea_popescu the Bitcoin Baron?

20:25:29 kakobrekla: a "biton"

20:25:35 fluffypony: heh

20:25:38 bounce: ircII can do that. /ignore * MSG /ignore whitelisted ^MSG

20:25:40 benkay: the term is "bitlord"

20:25:51 fluffypony: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/20/openbsd_bailed_out/

20:26:05 fluffypony: "Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights on'"

20:26:14 benkay: can't say as i have any intention of taking style cues from linkbait article titles.

20:26:26 kakobrekla: fluffypony are you like new or smth?

20:26:52 fluffypony: kakobrekla: yes

20:26:56 fluffypony: I'm smth

20:40:23 benkay: what fraction of the runup to 1200 can we attribute to the bitlocker virus?

20:40:34 benkay: and is it not a thing any more?

20:42:12 kakobrekla: haxors got goxxed, back to prepaid cards.

20:49:48 asciilifeform: is everyone who does anything even vaguely public bedeviled by spammers?

20:50:09 kakobrekla: more or less yea.

20:50:32 fluffypony: spammers and/or trolls

20:56:31 mircea_popescu: yes.

21:00:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, assbot's 29 could be teh bitcoin barons, i see no problem.

21:00:30 mircea_popescu: we gotta start small, work our way up to dukery, not like some other douchebaggery, starting with dukes.

21:00:36 mircea_popescu: wink wink nudge nudge

21:01:07 mircea_popescu: benkay a fraction between 0 and epsilon.

21:01:30 BingoBoingo: lol, I was going to say something about it, but figured it would be more interesting to see when someone else brought up the Dukedoms

21:02:45 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/AltcoinAce/status/455432343595925504

21:02:46 ozbot: Twitter / AltcoinAce: #CAI seeks to build 'first ...

21:02:50 mircea_popescu: check it out, another "first"

21:04:21 mircea_popescu: i suddenly had this vision of me being like, 75, and reading about this new, biggest, first bitcoin based exchange,

21:04:25 mircea_popescu: with options and shit.

21:09:09 mircea_popescu: ;;rate justusranvier 1 New blood

21:09:15 mircea_popescu: wait what!

21:09:50 mircea_popescu: ;;rate justusranvier 1 New blood

21:10:15 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell justusranvier to voice yourself in -assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up

21:12:16 mircea_popescu: .d

21:12:16 ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 674 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.3317% in 4d 4h 39m 26s

21:13:38 ThickAsThieves: Estimated Next Difficulty: 7,131,644,633 (+16.54%)

21:13:55 ThickAsThieves: from https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

21:14:06 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i was looking athte 9bn bet. seems a lock.

21:14:30 ThickAsThieves: it's getting tough to tell now

21:14:52 ThickAsThieves: at some point 15% is a shit ton of hash

21:15:14 mircea_popescu: yeah

21:15:20 mircea_popescu: that point being right abnout now lol.

21:16:13 mircea_popescu: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ < is it me or is the day of april 12th pretty much giving us the finger ?

21:16:15 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets stats

21:16:32 ThickAsThieves: you just like seeing boners in in your ta

21:16:40 mircea_popescu: also possible.

21:25:36 mircea_popescu: ;;rate kanzure New blood

21:25:40 mircea_popescu: ;;rate kanzure 1 New blood

21:25:44 mircea_popescu: derp.

21:25:57 mircea_popescu: kanzure srsly, get in teh wot.

21:28:30 mircea_popescu: ;;rate tomservo 1 New blood

21:28:36 mircea_popescu: !up garret

21:29:05 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TomServo get in wot wouldja ?

21:29:30 jurov: ThickAsThieves: if these S.MG peeps can auth with btc address, i can just add them to list at https://coinbr.com/btct/nampt_1

21:30:05 jurov: oh i should update prices/dividends

21:30:49 mircea_popescu: stop giving the frenchie so much voice, you'll wear it out.

21:32:22 davout: the voice system sort of works like this https://xkcd.com/481/

21:33:01 mircea_popescu: lol

21:33:50 mircea_popescu: btw, you ever seen les veinards ?

21:33:57 davout: no

21:34:00 mircea_popescu: !up kanzure

21:34:09 mircea_popescu: it's my favourite french comedy for today

21:34:16 mircea_popescu: !up AltcoinAce

21:34:28 mircea_popescu: ;;topic

21:34:42 mircea_popescu: AltcoinAce this is the bitcoin assets channel. these are the people. up there are the logs. have fun!

21:34:50 AltcoinAce: interesting

21:35:21 davout: i'll put it on my list

21:35:35 jurov: AltcoinAce you run some altcoin business?

21:35:44 AltcoinAce: Im just a trader

21:35:46 AltcoinAce: tis all

21:36:11 mircea_popescu: mostly for le vison. mireille d'arc / jacqueline monsigny

21:36:21 mircea_popescu: AltcoinAce what do you trade ?

21:36:38 AltcoinAce: currently focusing on alts and btc

21:36:47 AltcoinAce: Im working with some ppl

21:36:53 AltcoinAce: and learning before I move up to other stuff

21:37:03 AltcoinAce: will be trading forex soon

21:37:12 AltcoinAce: but crpyto is a good market to be in right now

21:37:19 mircea_popescu: sounds good.

21:37:37 AltcoinAce: everyday you can make 10-500% profit

21:37:48 AltcoinAce: doesnt happen in most markets haha

21:40:35 mircea_popescu: !t h hif

21:43:14 mircea_popescu: ;;rate novusordo 1 New blood

21:43:37 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell novusordo to voice yourself in assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up

21:45:28 kanzure: mircea_popescu: can you try rating me again pls

21:45:56 kanzure: ouch: 14:45 <assbot> You need a better WOT rating. (level 2 with assbot >0)

21:46:26 mircea_popescu: ;;rate kanzure 1 New blood

21:47:28 kanzure: exciting

21:47:54 jurov: ;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github

21:48:05 mircea_popescu: !down jurov

21:48:09 mircea_popescu: awww!

21:48:14 jurov: lol

21:48:32 mircea_popescu: jurov is 4ever alone because assbot cockblocks

21:49:06 kanzure: what is the type of unit for the number i provide to the rate command?

21:49:18 jurov: ;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github

21:49:35 kanzure: eg why 1 instead of 0.1 ?

21:49:36 mircea_popescu: kanzure in [-10, 10]

21:49:52 jurov: ;;rate kanzure 0.000001 i have seen your github

21:50:04 kanzure: gribble is a hater

21:50:11 mircea_popescu: he's just got his integrity.

21:50:18 jurov: you can't have fractional trust or distrust

21:50:29 kanzure: so i should read this as '10 trusts'?

21:50:40 mircea_popescu: first off, you don't need fractions, you could just as well increase the max for same effect

21:50:49 mircea_popescu: second off, 10 levels is plenty. how fine can your brain work ?

21:50:57 bounce: pfft. and there I was, wanting to rate 3.1415927. can't doo that. boo!

21:51:08 mircea_popescu: so round.

21:51:15 jurov: kanzure: you should read the comments, numbers are just numbers

21:51:17 mircea_popescu: a 3 is just as good as a pee to a blind bat

21:52:31 bounce: then we'll just have to stick to biblical notions of "round", no?

21:53:03 jurov: what's biblical notion of round?

21:53:05 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/70aa104a77459cd6d4986f9008307a47/tumblr_mlpy1jO2hV1qcgltko1_500.jpg

21:54:02 jurov: oh that was the answer? mkay

21:54:50 bounce: 1 kings 7 verse 23

21:58:36 mircea_popescu: "Amazing: @Chase just cancelled my debit card because a merchant may or may not have been hacked. They didn't call. Won't tell me who."

21:59:33 ThickAsThieves: thanks jurov, i'll keep it in mind, it's so few people/shares at this point that I doubt it'll happen much more

22:01:06 mircea_popescu: you know this completely blows me away. there's like... 2 assets on hl that didn't lose most of the investor's money, and the total investment in them was... bitcents ?

22:01:18 mircea_popescu: meanwhile all sorts of bizarre shit supposedly gets 100s of btc, if not k's.

22:01:22 mircea_popescu: it just dun compute this.

22:02:20 ThickAsThieves: as suspected in the past, they may be satsisfying an urge to gamble, not invest

22:02:25 mircea_popescu: !up Tiraspol

22:02:49 Tiraspol: O_o

22:03:31 mircea_popescu: nice name :p

22:05:35 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455466740181655552 << stacy herbert :D

22:05:35 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: How's your Aurora scamcoin ...

22:06:12 kakobrekla: she was behind aurora?

22:06:34 mircea_popescu: she works for max keiser. they were pumping it together.

22:06:49 mircea_popescu: it's not clear if they actually owned it or just shill for pay, but after all what the hell's the difference.

22:08:25 kakobrekla: aha

22:10:30 ThickAsThieves: maxcoin is now below novacoin in market cap

22:10:36 ThickAsThieves: "market cap"

22:10:50 ThickAsThieves: AUR just below it

22:11:17 mircea_popescu: such success. much well done.

22:11:24 ThickAsThieves: meanwhile doge sitting at $27m

22:11:59 mircea_popescu: sure, just as long as the scammers pushing it own 99.99% of it all.

22:12:03 ThickAsThieves: Altcoin still not on the list

22:12:09 mircea_popescu: and should anyone sell and it drop another 50%, why, they'll just hardfork it again

22:12:10 asciilifeform: http://bindshell.nl/epixoip/cloudflare_key.png

22:12:50 asciilifeform: from:

22:12:51 asciilifeform: https://gist.github.com/silky/10577464

22:12:51 ozbot: cloudflare_challenge

22:13:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tweeted it :D

22:13:55 asciilifeform: a bit stale news, sorry. but i think it notable.

22:14:01 mircea_popescu: i like teh pic.

22:15:45 asciilifeform: wonder if i'm the only one who automatically thought 'diversion' when the heartbleed crap came out.

22:16:02 mircea_popescu: moar like warning shot.

22:16:09 asciilifeform: as if there is such a thing as a kitchen with exactly one roach.

22:16:29 mircea_popescu: or you meant of cloudflare's reaction ?

22:16:43 asciilifeform: nah, of the 'bug' being made public, with catchy name & logo.

22:17:12 mircea_popescu: if you're going to humiliate, might as well humiliate in detail.

22:17:22 joecool: !up

22:17:33 mircea_popescu: !up urmom

22:19:31 asciilifeform: shadow führer decides that a certain pwnhole has outlived its useful life, decides to create a 'dangle' (i believe this is the english technical term for 'слив')

22:20:22 mircea_popescu: the problem with the shadow fuhrer is that he couldn't conceivably find a reason to be bothered with actual holes.

22:20:33 mircea_popescu: he'd be much happier in the realm of shadow-holes.

22:21:15 mod6: kakobrekla: do you run blockr.io?

22:21:21 asciilifeform: the purpose of 'hearbleed' et al isn't traffic intercept. (why intercept when you have root on the 'cloud' crapfarms?)

22:21:25 kakobrekla: mod6 no

22:21:31 mod6: ok

22:21:35 asciilifeform: it's to 'bake terrorists'

22:21:47 asciilifeform: create/modify arbitrary turds in mid-flight.

22:21:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think strategically. 1. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? fail" vs 2. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? OR that a website was all ready to go. just how fucking inept are you, can't find a website, srsly ?"

22:21:51 mircea_popescu: 2 is much better.

22:22:07 mircea_popescu: mod6 iirc kakobrekla knew the people running it

22:22:18 kakobrekla: knows

22:22:32 mircea_popescu: kako knoes

22:22:47 bounce: baking is terrism now?

22:22:56 asciilifeform: ;;google new york death ray plot

22:23:11 mircea_popescu: jhahahaha what

22:23:11 asciilifeform: classic product of the bakery.

22:23:13 mod6: ahh, im gonna write to them. my atc bot sends up http requests to get some json back so we can do things like: last_block, diff, etc. but from time to time, my host/ip seems to get tar-pitted. even for a low threshold.

22:23:30 mircea_popescu: "In 2013, two men from upstate New York were arrested after building a radioactive "death ray" device and plotting to use it against Muslims"

22:23:32 mod6: Wonder if they would white-list me to a higher threshold for coins.

22:23:37 mircea_popescu: what the fuck is a radioactive death ray.

22:23:48 asciilifeform: s/building/buying from insistent fbi stoolies

22:23:49 mircea_popescu: is it like bottled pedophilia racism carbon ?

22:24:16 bounce: not some shrewd 20something with a datafeed brokerage yet?

22:24:37 bounce: and get paid by both sides, why not

22:24:51 asciilifeform: a gaggle of idiots was prodded, by american police, into paying to have a (physically wildly implausible) x-ray cannon 'built'

22:25:43 asciilifeform: and before that, a steady stream of morons who paid for (fake) 'sterela' units

22:25:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is there any proof whatsoever this charade included anything other/different from the soviet wrecker "confessions" ?

22:25:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not afaik.

22:25:57 bounce: the us "justice" system appears to be a, waht was it, chumpatron with press gangs

22:26:06 bounce: s/waht/what/

22:26:14 asciilifeform: *strela

22:26:30 mircea_popescu: bounce not yet. whole shebang build to make him possible since at least 2012, yet he's not here yet.

22:26:54 mircea_popescu: all sorts of fake-shrewd 20yo morons however, humping the "first best largest" delusion humptrain

22:27:07 mircea_popescu: from atop, it's kinda fascinating/shocking just how moronic people are.

22:27:18 asciilifeform: the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now.

22:27:28 bounce: hm. maybe I should try and fake this 20something for a bit then.

22:27:30 mircea_popescu: da fuck is strela

22:27:40 asciilifeform: ;;google strela rocket

22:27:47 mircea_popescu: uh why do they want a rocket ?

22:28:02 mircea_popescu: bounce easier for you to fake being 20 than for bona fide 20yos to fake having a brain

22:28:04 asciilifeform: devil only knows

22:28:26 asciilifeform: ;;google strela manpad

22:28:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are they also going to launch it from their asshole, like fireworks ?

22:28:30 asciilifeform: that one.

22:28:31 bounce: oh lookit, a stealth compliment. still, looks like work. where's me overalls?

22:28:38 asciilifeform: not the fat rocket. the thin one.

22:28:47 mircea_popescu: even so

22:28:51 asciilifeform: comes with tube.

22:28:56 mircea_popescu: wasn't it a 3 month training course to be cleared with those ?

22:29:00 asciilifeform: analogous to american 'stinger'

22:29:08 mircea_popescu: not that analoguous

22:29:09 bounce: this one then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_2

22:29:21 asciilifeform: that one.

22:29:41 bounce: strela 1: big fat rocket. strela 2: weight watchers "rocket"

22:30:07 mircea_popescu: widely exported, and perhaps the #1 cause of friendly fire casualties in "unorganised" conflcits

22:30:47 asciilifeform: yeah, ir sensor doesn't care who the tailpipe it flies into belongs to.

22:31:11 bounce: not the antitank thingy with the big head?

22:31:16 mircea_popescu: aren't these a bitch to properly discharge, have to handle the tube as itlaunches ?

22:31:35 mircea_popescu: bounce this is an surface-to-air thing

22:31:59 asciilifeform: if they sold faux 'stingers,' not even the dumbest 'candidate' would believe.

22:33:03 asciilifeform: re: 'wreckers' - correct. since the entire raison d'etre of the u.s. security apparatus is now 'terrorism' - well, the fireman, absent a fire, buys a box of matches.

22:34:25 asciilifeform: the reason to bring this crapfest up - u.s. 'intelligence' apparatus has a number of purposes quite apart, and difficult to confuse for, intelligence.

22:34:56 asciilifeform: (and 'sawing apart' the public purse isn't the only such)

22:35:47 mircea_popescu: i entirely fail to see how "combing upstate ny for hilbillies inept enough to imagine they can fire magic death upon random targets" is in any sense the business of intel.

22:36:11 mircea_popescu: more importantly, any intelligent people remaining have a lot of trouble continuing to do anything worthwhile in such an environment.

22:36:26 asciilifeform: it's the business of traditional goons, e.g. fbi. intel is 'classy.' rather create a sinner by injecting packets.

22:36:33 mircea_popescu: imagine a start-up where the entire office did nothing but play minigolf all day.

22:36:40 asciilifeform: not to plant evidence for any court, of course. for the consumption of... fellow 'intel' folks.

22:37:01 asciilifeform: start-up where the entire office did nothing but play minigolf << that's the sv norm, no?

22:37:44 mircea_popescu: these days i guess.

22:37:56 mircea_popescu: !up punkman

22:38:11 mircea_popescu: ;;rate punkman 1 New blood

22:38:26 asciilifeform: 'sheikh khalid goatfuckeiman encodes instructions for mujaheddeen in his sheep porn gifs.' - 'unfortunately, he doesn't. sometimes a sheep is only a sheep.' - 'let's see what we can do.'

22:39:18 asciilifeform: year later, drone strike, medals.

22:40:22 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla 137 : 92.

22:40:26 mircea_popescu: mwahahaha

22:40:49 asciilifeform: this is actually a very tame hypothesis. intel agencies traditionally plant dangles for their colleagues of other (not necessarily unfriendly) kingdoms. and, given the u.s. being a fractured empire, why not dangles for... their fellows.

22:41:16 mircea_popescu: that's for a long time been the lol of alltime.

22:41:28 mircea_popescu: there was a secret special dept in teh fsb dedicated to exactly this.

22:41:32 asciilifeform: sure was.

22:41:34 mircea_popescu: help state fight defense and so forth

22:41:43 asciilifeform: anyone remember the '20% of all gifs contain stego' newsbit?

22:41:45 asciilifeform: ages ago.

22:42:37 asciilifeform: can't say that i personally tested.

22:42:57 asciilifeform: but, if fact, the above would be a parsimonious explanation.

22:43:32 asciilifeform: ye read it here phurst (tm).

22:44:06 mircea_popescu: how would you test such a thing.

22:44:18 mircea_popescu: "20% of everything women says includes subtext"

22:44:20 mircea_popescu: well... gl ?

22:44:20 asciilifeform: almost by definition, you can only 'test' for piss-poor stego.

22:44:23 mircea_popescu: !up veeminer

22:44:42 asciilifeform: simplest scheme - straight payload in low bits of colour channels.

22:44:56 mircea_popescu: !up ishauli

22:44:58 asciilifeform: extract, test for known file headers

22:45:16 mircea_popescu: ----BEGIN

22:45:17 mircea_popescu: etc

22:45:58 mircea_popescu: incidentally : gpg armored lends itself splendidly to stego : the payload byte is only a few bits

22:46:44 asciilifeform: stego that doesn't 'scream stego' is a whole art.

22:47:23 asciilifeform: the only purpose of 'encode obvious payload in low colour bits' is as a university class demo. and for planting.

22:48:36 asciilifeform: then again, the folks who (see mp's essay) reinvented caesar's cipher might well use it.

22:48:45 asciilifeform: or we shall be told that they do.

22:58:03 asciilifeform: http://www.woodmann.com/fravia/stego.htm

22:58:07 asciilifeform: (good intro to subject)

22:58:42 bounce: for some reason I can never actually read much of fravia.

22:58:45 asciilifeform: (don't bother writing to herr fravia re: stego or his famous cracking tutorials. he's dead.)

22:59:18 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu 92 ??

22:59:22 kakobrekla: you mean 123

23:00:03 kakobrekla: if i was a whore id be at 200+

23:03:48 kakobrekla: now im just an idiot.

23:17:05 mircea_popescu: lol

23:19:51 mircea_popescu: i was on the sent tab for some reason

23:27:28 jurov: http://hugelolcdn.com/i/264763.gif

23:38:29 mircea_popescu: !up Visitor_

23:51:35 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/

23:51:36 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day

23:51:43 mircea_popescu: 2 months away is like... 4-5 periods

23:51:44 mircea_popescu: .d

23:51:44 ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 663 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.7849% in 4d 3h 38m 22s

23:52:08 Apocalyptic: dat diff

23:52:23 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 14/6.12

23:52:31 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.23**4

23:52:44 mircea_popescu: basically needs 23% each time. this ain't happening.

23:54:06 cgcardona_: the difficulty is freaking exploding.

23:54:53 cgcardona_: no connection to the price. all based on speculation of the future value of a coin right?

23:55:00 mircea_popescu: Resolution: in 3 months 2 days. that's more like 6 periods actually.

23:55:10 kakobrekla: cgcardona_ no, all based on preorders

23:55:17 cgcardona_: kakobrekla: ah, good point

23:55:24 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ not really. the relatively high pricing of the usd is based on (baseless) speculation of its future value.

23:56:08 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.194**6

23:56:18 mircea_popescu: still 19% seems a push.

23:58:11 mircea_popescu: !up JorgePasada

23:58:26 JorgePasada: Heyo :-)

23:58:34 JorgePasada: Thanks for the voice

23:59:13 mircea_popescu: sure.

23:59:45 cgcardona_: this is the only room i've been in where voice actually means something.

23:59:54 cgcardona_: usually its the "i'm kinda in the club" flag