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00:00:12 trinque: the level of control there is remarkable

00:00:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163701 @ 0.00025213 = 41.2739 BTC [+]

00:00:29 trinque: over the surgical implements

00:00:39 trinque: what's the interface for the surgeon look like

00:00:46 mod6: ok all, I'm gonna rebuild this thing with uclibc, I'll have an update for ya in a few hours :]

00:00:54 gabriel_laddel: trinque: check out the start of the video, he is sitting in the station

00:01:04 trinque: ah whoops

00:01:06 trinque: ty

00:01:09 trinque: I skipped forward

00:01:25 gabriel_laddel: well yeah, gotta start with the fun stuff

00:01:33 Adlai: mircea_popescu: ablative agent, although i forgot the preposition

00:02:30 mircea_popescu: ah.

00:09:01 mircea_popescu: "There is a pattern here: it seems that whenever Americans arm, train and equip an army, that army stands a really big chance of simply melting away, with the weapons falling into the hands of those who want to use them against American interests."

00:09:08 mircea_popescu: "what would the devil have to pay you..."

00:09:37 mircea_popescu: but of much more direct interest, "It is hard to see why this same pattern wouldn't hold once the US places much of itself under military occupation."

00:15:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128992 << it's a mixed bag, really. the "new black panther" party was a good chunk of the success of the obama campaign. their disinterest was a big chunk of the ridoinculous fizzle of ows.

00:15:37 assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 15:09:44; lobbes: idk re: prison insurgencies. He compares the 'black youth' imprisoned today with former workers for Sadam. Former being terribly unorganized to start with vs. the latter (arguably) being the obverse

00:16:14 mircea_popescu: obviously baltimore riots were a plan hatched and executed by the baltimore drug lords, but it *may* be also part of a larger frontline, a probing operation as it's called.

00:16:35 mircea_popescu: if that's the case, as it well may be the case, they're not nearly all that disorganised. arguably better organised than the government.

00:22:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129009 << you have no idea how vory even came to be, then ?

00:22:31 assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 16:40:25; lobbes: Adlai, career criminals, sure. But I'm skeptical that a bunch of career criminals would suddenly align against a common foe, rather than continue the 'business as usual' of fighting each other

00:23:54 Adlai: what's revolution if not career criminals fighting eachother?

00:24:03 mircea_popescu: good one.

00:25:26 williamdunne: if that's the case, as it well may be the case, they're not nearly all that disorganised. arguably better organised than the government. <<< glad to see standards are staying high

00:26:40 mircea_popescu: lol

00:27:08 mircea_popescu: well, who you gonna bet on, in the quadriplegic box match ? the blind or the stupid ?

00:27:44 pete_dushenski: let bitbet decide.

00:28:26 Adlai: wheelchairs make a lot of noise, i'll put a satoshi on blind

00:28:38 mircea_popescu: no wheelchairs in the ring. what is this.

00:28:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64700 @ 0.00025399 = 16.4332 BTC [+]

00:28:46 mircea_popescu: THEY MIGHT HURT EACH OTHER WITH THOSE!!1

00:28:49 trinque: lol

00:29:23 pete_dushenski: speaking of which, was there a paqi-mayw bitbet ? don't recall seeing one, which is too bad as i would've loved to have taken some change off of "the people's fighter"

00:29:49 trinque: I've wondered, considering it from the other end, whether the govt's trying to provoke fergusons and baltimores.

00:30:10 pete_dushenski: ya, there's no wheelchairs in wwe wrestling, just barbed wire, cages, lead pipes.

00:30:13 trinque: wouldn't they love having some kind of ISIS lite domestically

00:30:45 pete_dushenski: trinque since they're selling fear, sure. why not.

00:31:03 pete_dushenski: it's diocletian's war economy again.

00:31:05 mircea_popescu: pretty sure there was

00:31:30 pete_dushenski: "the barbarians are coming!"

00:35:17 trinque: one wonders to what end

00:35:31 trinque: the american "powerful" must lack imagination

00:35:32 ben_vulpes: !up Luke-Jr

00:35:35 ben_vulpes: !up Luke-Jr

00:35:42 Luke-Jr: ?

00:36:38 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << it's a mixed bag, really. the "new black panther" party was a good chunk of the success of the obama campaign. their disinterest was a big chunk of the ridoinculous fizzle of ows. << NBP is truly a tiny thing like FEMEN

00:37:00 mircea_popescu: except femen's not tiny.

00:37:53 mircea_popescu: what are you more likely to run into, a girl that doesnt want to fuck because of what she's heard the catholic church say, or a girl that wants to go topless because of what she's heard of femen ?

00:37:57 mircea_popescu: femen > catholic church.

00:38:36 BingoBoingo: Ah. I was going more for the actual size of the cohesive group rather than its influence sphere.

00:39:20 BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> speaking of which, was there a paqi-mayw bitbet ? don't recall seeing one, which is too bad as i would've loved to have taken some change off of "the people's fighter" << I though about funding one. Ended up doing a smaller bet on PacMan.

00:39:23 mircea_popescu: the size of that cohesive group is merely a function of the resources wasted on it.

00:39:36 mircea_popescu: the "social studies" grant eaters are larger than the texas oil industry.

00:39:37 mircea_popescu: so what of it.

00:39:51 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo what is this 'pacman' you speak of ?

00:39:56 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's the hidden message with the beta of spades?

00:40:01 mircea_popescu: i have nfi!

00:40:22 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Manny, the dude who fought money on May 2nd

00:40:23 ben_vulpes: like - "quite clearly not a queen, nor even a gurl ergo beta"

00:40:35 mircea_popescu: maybe that's the husBand

00:40:59 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo ah, comprendo. not up on my boxing nicknames, it seems.

00:41:20 pete_dushenski: thought it was some kind of bitbet competitor lol

00:41:38 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the size of that cohesive group is merely a function of the resources wasted on it. << But consider what USG spends on keeping NBP alive to only have Maybe 200 new Black Panthers vs. what Femen spends on Maybe 200 topless agitators.

00:42:12 mircea_popescu: hm.

00:42:31 mircea_popescu: this is the point where i admit this had been all wild speculation and i have nfi.

00:42:54 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm hoping for a rematch before they turn 50. Manny's got the aggression and Mayweather's age showed more.

00:43:34 mircea_popescu: something must be very wrong with boxing if 50 yo ex champs can still walk around unaided.

00:43:37 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this is the point where i admit this had been all wild speculation and i have nfi. << My point is you could put most of USia's urban welfare expenditure on making potential Black Panther not starve.

00:43:43 pete_dushenski: srsly. they're both so old already.

00:44:14 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Both were nearly 40, either would have been outclassed by the featherweights on the undercard.

00:44:16 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno dood. by this reasoning you could put the chinese state budget on "making obama get nobel prize"

00:44:23 pete_dushenski: i'd rather watch some younger, sportier boxers. for as much as i care to watch boxing.

00:44:30 pete_dushenski: which, so far, is once. may 2

00:44:41 ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> [22:58] cazalla lamassus are worth a grand. << based on?

00:45:03 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: THe first undercard fight was great. Second was set up.

00:45:07 mircea_popescu: i used to watch some boxing many years ago because i was friends with some promoters etc. never got into it.

00:45:23 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes my broker who also owns four atms.

00:45:36 williamdunne: Not going to lie, I do enjoy watching MMA

00:45:38 pete_dushenski: i think $1k for a lamassu is market atm.

00:45:42 pete_dushenski: mebbe i'm low ?

00:45:42 williamdunne: None of the defensive off the ropes crap

00:46:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239800 @ 0.00025163 = 60.3409 BTC [-] {2}

00:47:02 mircea_popescu: williamdunne hey, i enjoy watching some dude beat the crap / get beaten the crap out of as much as the next guy, but it helps a lot if i know them/there's a substantial quarrel/something.

00:47:06 mircea_popescu: as a "sport"... i dunno.

00:47:14 BingoBoingo: I'd like to be able to consider starting a pro-boxing career at 40

00:47:32 ben_vulpes: you'd know better than i pete

00:47:51 ben_vulpes: asking out of curiousity etc

00:48:05 williamdunne: mircea_popescu does money count? Pretty sure there is a bonus for winning

00:48:43 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes i think 'skyhook' is the cheapest, then lamassu, then the dirty, dirty robocoin.

00:48:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the nasdaq thing is just, they want to use a centralize custom scamcoin to somehow track pre-ipo trades. not really clear what this actually is, tbh, and i somehow doubt it's more than the intersection between inept bitcoin piarism and vague plans for vapornothing.

00:49:07 BingoBoingo: <williamdunne> Not going to lie, I do enjoy watching MMA << I prefer watching boxing for the constraints ove the combatants.

00:49:17 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: the skyhook guys actually operate out of a warehouse across town from me

00:49:19 pete_dushenski: actually, come to think of it, mebbe i'm confusing brands. might've been 'skyhook' that was $1k and lamassu really was $4-5k.

00:49:31 pete_dushenski: robocoin... $20k

00:49:34 mircea_popescu: williamdunne i guess. don't you think it kinda detracts from the whole thing ? like, "here, monkeys, a silver coin. FIGHT!"

00:49:40 williamdunne: BingoBoingo: See I like MMA for that lack of constraints. Maybe I'm just a joe-sixpack-adrenaline junky

00:49:41 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes ah cool!

00:49:46 ben_vulpes: i regard the whole project as touching both terminals at the same time and avoid doing so at all costs

00:49:50 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> williamdunne hey, i enjoy watching some dude beat the crap / get beaten the crap out of as much as the next guy, but it helps a lot if i know them/there's a substantial quarrel/something. << This is a serious problem with MMA. It seems a majority of the competitors are just downright friendly outside the ring.

00:50:09 ben_vulpes: anyways, tango now, documentation with mod6 later.

00:50:15 ben_vulpes: ciao bomberos

00:50:43 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i think it's just the way it's being promoted. boxing harks to a different time, with different people. mma is more tuned for the contemporary kid. different life balances.

00:51:19 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: What that lack of constraint gets you though is a rapid turnover at the top. There's so much asymmetry that no one can aspire to prolongued greatness.

00:51:57 williamdunne: I'm not aiming for the greatness, I just want to see two people beat the crap out of each other. Its a bloodsport really I suppose. Turnover is entertaining.

00:52:36 trinque: ^ I think MMA fans would watch an actual coloseum fight just as readily.

00:52:45 mircea_popescu: what'd the difference be ?

00:52:58 mircea_popescu: i don't think mma guys if given the option of gladitorial arms would actually take any.

00:53:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 450106 @ 0.00024746 = 111.3832 BTC [-] {4}

00:53:13 trinque: the fighters probably not, due to the whole death thing

00:53:15 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i think it's just the way it's being promoted. boxing harks to a different time, with different people. mma is more tuned for the contemporary kid. different life balances. << Which is why I'm thinking that 11-ish years from now on my 40th Birthday it might be realistic that I could become a ProBoxer

00:53:17 mircea_popescu: i guess if you force them, by allowing armor. buyt then again, gladiatorial combat didn't allow much armor.

00:53:20 trinque: my observation is that MMA is as close to that as you can get

00:53:36 mircea_popescu: trinque my point is that actual roman weaponry would not present an improvement.

00:53:43 williamdunne: Pretty much, optional and without death. Same sort of blood sport though

00:53:48 trinque: ah I just meant the prospect that the opponent could be killed

00:53:55 mircea_popescu: the opponent can be killed.

00:53:59 mircea_popescu: happens all the time, too

00:54:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49594 @ 0.00024288 = 12.0454 BTC [-]

00:54:10 BingoBoingo: trinque: Plenty of unarmored, unsanctioned, stick fights

00:54:13 williamdunne: Well, in comparison to gladiator battles

00:54:30 mircea_popescu: gladiator battles didnt' have THAT many casualties, you know.

00:54:43 mircea_popescu: a gladiator was more expensive a piece of fixed capital than a whore.

00:55:14 williamdunne: What about the slaves they battled? I'd be lying if I said I had much knowledge outside of primary education and 'Gladiator'

00:55:30 mircea_popescu: gladiators were slaves.

00:55:50 mircea_popescu: that's how that thing went, sporting promoters of the 100s went around, buying young strong slaves,

00:55:59 mircea_popescu: then trained them for five years or so.

00:56:10 mircea_popescu: then presented them (or sold them on to senatos and other dude farmers)

00:56:18 williamdunne: Sorry I meant the slaves as if in thrown in the pit rather than trained like you would a prize horse

00:56:29 mircea_popescu: i dunno that was very common.

00:56:39 mircea_popescu: even the xtians were thrown to the lions, not to the gladiators.

00:57:09 williamdunne: Sort of like the difference between a pet and next seasons dinner - even if both are property

01:01:44 trinque: interesting, I was misinformed on how lethal gladiator fights were

01:01:48 trinque: makes sense

01:02:33 mircea_popescu: it really wasn't much higher risk than being in the army, which was you know, a good chunk of the population, especially poorer.

01:03:12 williamdunne: That doesn't seem like a great standard

01:03:45 mircea_popescu: for them or for you ?

01:05:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129035 << splendid

01:05:10 assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 18:19:52; jurov: neat. i am finally beating the mailman into submission, turdatron can link there

01:08:41 BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli

01:11:24 mircea_popescu: tattoo tales from the gender prison http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcxictoZaW1rrufxwo1_1280.jpg

01:11:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNTS7v )

01:13:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 245729 @ 0.000255 = 62.6609 BTC [+] {3}

01:14:22 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Them

01:15:24 mircea_popescu: really ? i guess i never thought of it that way.

01:15:32 mircea_popescu: you understand how roman society functioned, do you ?

01:16:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00025782 = 1.114 BTC [+]

01:16:44 williamdunne: Not particularly, I know fatality rates would be vastly different dependent on region though. Obviously being a city-guard in Rome is a pretty safe job but being the the border of the empire or in active battle/expansion seems like a good way to get killed

01:17:02 williamdunne: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalities_in_mixed_martial_arts_contests <<< While its probably not complete, doesn't look like many fatalities in MMA

01:17:03 assbot: Fatalities in mixed martial arts contests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNUMkz )

01:18:11 mircea_popescu: well ok, but in terms of standards : as a young man with no property, your options were essentially to go into military service, which offered pay and, upon serving 18ish to 20something years, a large settlement payment and provincial land.

01:18:33 mircea_popescu: this allowed you to take a young woman and start a household in relative security. the exact american dream.

01:19:10 mircea_popescu: the alternatives to this are unclear. if very clever you could have traded, but various ethic groups had a defacto monopoly on that, and a very large cultural advantage.

01:19:54 williamdunne: Yes, I'm familiar with the land-ownership. Truly brilliant option IMO. As you say, American dream.

01:20:10 mircea_popescu: otherwise... maybe become a client for some important patron, and done what the us sub-political class does today. in the day's huffington post and astroturfed meetings and whatnot. a very precarious existence, certainly the slavegirls had it better.

01:20:12 williamdunne: Pretty sure the main alternative was trading or poverty

01:20:31 mircea_popescu: yeah, pretty much. so... it couldn't conceivably been a bad standard for them, inasmuch as it was... the standard.

01:21:30 mircea_popescu: in point of fact this is unchanged millenia later - very few kids end up here, a few more are in the military, and the rest on reddit.

01:23:20 williamdunne: I am the 1%?

01:25:21 mircea_popescu: maybe

01:27:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check out the fate of jew boy. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mda39zViQZ1rrufxwo1_1280.jpg

01:27:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNVSwx )

01:29:36 trinque: so I made an openbsd home router, and as far as I can tell it's actually doing its job

01:30:13 mircea_popescu: wd.

01:30:15 trinque: appropriately blocked ports via pf, routing the internal network nicely

01:30:37 williamdunne: Any chance of a writeup on it?

01:30:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95908 @ 0.00024122 = 23.1349 BTC [-] {2}

01:31:01 trinque: williamdunne: I'll see about it; wasn't that hard

01:31:06 trinque: I'd have to put up some kind of blog thing

01:31:33 trinque: I tend to want to have a pretty thorough understanding of a thing before I try to teach anyone else, too

01:31:41 trinque: seems there are a hundred-million other knobs on pf I didn't use

01:34:03 mod6: Update: gathering performance metrics on v0.5.3.1-RELEASE full blockchain sync

01:34:58 trinque: I'll also say that pf.conf seems to suffer from the same syntax-creep SQL does, where they just add more to the grammar for every feature

01:35:19 trinque: would've made more sense if it were a sort of function composition thing, where you're producing a function that'll process every packet

01:51:19 BingoBoingo: <trinque> I'll also say that pf.conf seems to suffer from the same syntax-creep SQL does, where they just add more to the grammar for every feature << Actually the problem is they've been supplanting inherited grammar inherited from ipfw they imitated to start with towards more of a sensible firewall language

01:51:47 trinque: ah I see

01:53:43 BingoBoingo: trinque: The worst of the pfconf stuff is inherited

01:53:59 BingoBoingo: "What people had come to expect"

01:56:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 265550 @ 0.00024397 = 64.7862 BTC [+]

01:57:46 BingoBoingo: <williamdunne> Any chance of a writeup on it? << A distinct feature of OpenBSD is that outside of the man pages much of the best documentation is still produced on dead trees

01:58:02 decimation: trinque: what box did you use? x86?

01:58:08 BingoBoingo: Well, not a feature of OpenBSD, but their culture

01:58:19 williamdunne: BingoBoingo: GPG signed not good enough?

01:58:47 decimation: asciilifeform: that little fanless 486 would make an ideal serial terminal

01:59:08 trinque: decimation: yeah, an older p4 box

01:59:08 decimation: if it runs dos - then kermit!

01:59:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96295 @ 0.00025569 = 24.6217 BTC [+]

01:59:16 williamdunne: Maybe I could try and one-up them and climb up into the mountains for a few years and carve a guide into a stone tablet.

02:00:08 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: They sign things too, but... For their own use in releases they have a GPG alternative because GPG licensing violates part of their license purity directive. Dunno how good it is , but sometime hetrogyny is insteresting.

02:01:06 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: WHat I mean by dead tree is. People in their WoT write comprehensive books and they all check and then promote the books

02:01:06 scoopbot_revived: Tips and tricks for being a successful (small time) landlord. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/13/tips-and-tricks-for-being-a-successful-small-time-landlord/

02:01:15 decimation: williamdunne: in snowdonia?

02:01:42 williamdunne: decimation: Depends on if a big hill gets me enough BSD points

02:02:10 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo think qntra would be a suitable platform for trinque's openbsd router guide ?

02:02:38 trinque: there are loads of other examples out there; my configuration isn't too interesting yet

02:02:45 pete_dushenski: i'm currently working on installing openbsd on an edgerouter and will publish my own guide once completed.

02:02:50 pete_dushenski: but... not there yet.

02:02:58 pete_dushenski: trinque i'd like to read yours !

02:03:03 trinque: probably next step for me is to stick privoxy in the middle of the http traffic

02:03:04 decimation: williamdunne: do you live in devonshire?

02:03:11 williamdunne: decimation: arr'

02:03:16 pete_dushenski: as for 'loads of other examples', i've only seen one.

02:03:43 decimation: I would like to see the chalk cliffs one day

02:03:58 trinque: alright, maybe I'll do some writing this weekend

02:04:39 williamdunne: decimation: Not my sorta thing personally. I'm still pissed off about the cliff collapsing and fucking up the trains for a couple of months

02:04:56 decimation: heh

02:05:07 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

02:05:28 decimation: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/07/the-genetic-map-of-britain/ < apparently devonshire and cornish folk are genetically distinct peoples

02:05:30 assbot: The genetic map of Britain - Gene Expression ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGd2rB )

02:06:12 williamdunne: I'm not from here by birth, nor are my parents. But yeah, some nutjobs in Cornwall want to be an independent country. Ignoring the fact that they actually qualify for a european regional development fund

02:06:23 asciilifeform: !down ascii_field

02:06:30 *: asciilifeform fat fingers

02:06:46 pete_dushenski: williamdunne where's your family from originally ?

02:07:02 decimation: williamdunne < about as crazy as the scots

02:07:18 williamdunne: Bit of Irish, bit of Cornwall, even more home counties

02:07:25 williamdunne: Pretty much

02:07:33 williamdunne: Still think that London should separate

02:07:45 decimation: last time I was in london I found it depressing

02:08:04 decimation: awash in indians & pakistanis - doesn't feel english at all

02:08:05 pete_dushenski: "North Korea's Defence Minister Hyon Yong-chol has been executed, South Korea's spy agency has told parliament, according to media reports. South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported that MPs were told Mr Hyon had been killed on 30 April by anti-aircraft fire in front of an audience. He is believed to have been accused of showing disloyalty to North Korea's leader, Kim Jong-un."

02:08:09 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo think qntra would be a suitable platform for trinque's openbsd router guide ? << Would require consulting with the other equity partners on deciding if we will do how-to's or how to do them

02:08:45 williamdunne: decimation: Kinda like it personally. Never bothered me, although I've not been there for an extended period

02:08:46 decimation: anti-aircraft fire?

02:08:53 trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness

02:08:54 pete_dushenski: death by anti-aircraft fire reminiscent of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYV-qYeWPkk

02:08:55 assbot: Monty Python - Execution in Russia (funny sketch!) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGdjek )

02:09:20 decimation: williamdunne: it's not that I'm a hater on asian folk, just that it doesn't have a distinct 'englishness' anymore

02:09:58 pete_dushenski: decimation you thought london was depressing ? cripes. never ever ever go to nyc.

02:09:59 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski trinque: http://www.nostarch.com/pf3 << The Bible on turning an OpenBSD box into its most common appliance flavor

02:10:00 assbot: Book of PF, 3rd Edition | No Starch Press ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGdoOV )

02:10:06 williamdunne: decimation: Wasn't suggesting you were - I'm just not too bothered by the Englishness thing personally. If thats your boat the South West is probably as good as it gets

02:10:08 decimation: pete_dushenski: yeah that was even more depressing

02:10:12 pete_dushenski: london is the light of heaven compared to nyc

02:10:44 williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Also on par with financial stuff

02:10:50 pete_dushenski: and as far as former commercial centres go, london is about as good as it gets imo.

02:10:50 trinque: BingoBoingo: looks like our giant book emporium has it, thanks! (https://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9781593271657-4)

02:10:52 decimation: pete_dushenski: walking the streets of nyc, all I could think was: "how the hell do all these people afford to live her"

02:10:55 decimation: here

02:11:02 BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> london is the light of heaven compared to nyc << And the jungles of Granite City put both of those so called cities to shame

02:11:37 decimation: pete_dushenski: london does have better museums than nyc in my opinion

02:11:52 pete_dushenski: most definitely.

02:12:02 decimation: probably the best in the world

02:12:05 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo granite city ?

02:12:25 BingoBoingo: trinque: I find that book for my network appliances what M. W. Lucas's BSD books are to my laptop

02:12:35 pete_dushenski: decimation no argument here.

02:12:36 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Granite City, Illinois

02:12:37 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129300 << incorrect. from these figures alone, for sake of argument, it is technically possible that one key accounted for -all- of the moduli.

02:12:37 assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:03:27; mircea_popescu: so ascii_field from the above, am i correct in deducing that there have been at most 47728 - 31262-4584 = 11882 (out of 47728, or ~1/4) keys without any RSA subkeys in them ?

02:12:47 BingoBoingo: ;;google granite city

02:12:49 gribble: Granite City Food and Brewery | Restaurant and In-House Brewery: http://www.gcfb.net/; Get directions to Davenport | Granite City Food and Brewery: http://www.gcfb.net/location/davenport; Granite City Menu | Granite City Food and Brewery: http://www.gcfb.net/menu

02:12:51 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo ahahha nice.

02:12:56 asciilifeform: (we know that this is not so - but from pure mathematical pedantry, must point out!)

02:12:59 BingoBoingo: ;;google granite city illinois

02:13:01 gribble: Granite City, Illinois.: http://www.granitecity.illinois.gov/; Granite City, Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granite_City,_Illinois; Granite City, Illinois (IL 62060) profile: population, maps, real estate ...: http://www.city-data.com/city/Granite-City-Illinois.html

02:13:09 BingoBoingo: ;;google granite city steel

02:13:10 gribble: Granite City Works - Granite City, Ill. - United States Steel Corporation: https://www.ussteel.com/uss/portal/home/aboutus/facilities/company-facilities-granitecityworks-granitecityill/!ut/p/b1/vZPLbqNAEEW_JR_A0KaBtpcYCDTvZxvYIIgN5mljgw18_STSjGY1yWYyt1Yl3dKtOlLRCR3RSZ89qjIbq0uftR99wqdKyDCsaiJ7qxAEsONwvKd7DEAb- (3 more messages)

02:13:30 williamdunne: Isn't being in the US a dis-qualifier from the get go?

02:13:43 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: No more than England.

02:14:06 williamdunne: Bears cave vs entrance of the cave?

02:14:12 BingoBoingo: Scotland and Occupied Ireland may have plusses over the US, but England not so.

02:14:37 williamdunne: What functional difference does it matter?

02:14:40 williamdunne: Derp

02:14:43 williamdunne: does it make

02:14:54 pete_dushenski: decimation the food in london, at least on a middling budget, was lackluster. or perhaps the museums and architecture just overshadowed the cuisine.

02:15:06 decimation: my impression was that the food was expensive as hell

02:15:18 pete_dushenski: certainly not cheap.

02:15:29 decimation: as a usian, I had to pretend that $1=1gbp or else I wouldn't eat anything

02:15:30 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129306 << mircea_popescu is almost certainly correct, but in usa even multimillionaires (outside of the major cities) live in houses made of precisely these materials, linearly scaled up

02:15:30 assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:05:41; mircea_popescu: "here i sit in a prefab vinyl siding plebhousing unit, burning a 50 dollar bill" ?

02:15:37 pete_dushenski: decimation but not worse than sydney

02:15:54 decimation: how much does a good steak cost in sydney? and a local beer?

02:16:11 williamdunne: Yeah London is definitely not cheap

02:16:29 pete_dushenski: see: http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/13/signs-of-sydney/

02:16:31 assbot: Signs of Sydney | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGdTZz )

02:16:53 pete_dushenski: decimation steak is probably $40, beer $8-10 ?

02:16:54 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129332 << the sluts in question were received - correctly - as agents of western rot-weapon. and treated with unusual kindness on account of being pretty gurlz

02:16:54 assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:17:42; mircea_popescu: not that it's not genuine sentiment, i'm sure to some degree it is. the topless sluts were ALSO genuine sentiment, for sure just as genuine, definitely as widely held. the result ? 400 people, beat up by police, not 4mn pushed by the govt press agents.

02:17:19 decimation: that's about average for a good steak in the us, but the beer is at least double

02:17:53 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129342 << mr o habitually 'dips into own stash' - i.e. engages in wishful thinking and allows boundary of reality to blur in his mind. with this in mind, he is entirely readable

02:17:53 assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:37:12; lobbes: I only just started reading Orlov's blog not too long ago. On alf's recommendation, I skipped to some of his earlier stuff (from roughly 2011?). I do get the feeling that he can either be 'hit or miss' at times.

02:17:59 decimation: one advantage of australia and new zealand is that they have to grow their own fresh vegetables - so everything is 'local'

02:18:00 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform re: housing. the cheap shit houses multimillionaires in cities too, well, 'suburbs'

02:18:17 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in usa cities typically contain brick&cement structures

02:18:29 pete_dushenski: for houses ??

02:18:30 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << mircea_popescu is almost certainly correct, but in usa even multimillionaires (outside of the major cities) live in houses made of precisely these materials, linearly scaled up << In my hometown Beautiful brick house on well maintained lot going for 75 kiloUSD Vinyl equivalent 100 kiloUSD higher

02:18:43 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: for the kind of houses found in cities (that is, high-rises)

02:18:49 decimation: pete_dushenski & asciilifeform : what about the koch brothers building their own western town in the middle of nowhere colorado

02:18:57 *: asciilifeform has not been there, cannot say

02:19:03 asciilifeform: it could have disney princesses for all i know

02:19:30 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo bizarre...

02:19:32 asciilifeform: i am operating with the common definition of 'city' as this place where civilians live in high-rises

02:19:33 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> pete_dushenski: in usa cities typically contain brick&cement structures << Very common in "city proper"

02:19:49 pete_dushenski: well, for high-rises sure.

02:20:03 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, old low rises

02:20:28 pete_dushenski: houses, even $2 mn ones, have concrete foundation and wood beam construction in these parts.

02:20:29 BingoBoingo: There's reasons the lowest in St Louis burn buildings for their brick

02:20:59 cazalla: people here use to pay top dollar for the land but they have this scam of building 6 shoddy buildings where one use to stand so people are paying 500k pretty much for bricks

02:21:01 decimation: pete_dushenski: yeah, in the us more expensive homes are just bigger wooden boxes, built by central americans

02:21:10 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129376 << diet is today, as was then, the main thing one could actually control re: one's body. and the ancient observation 'you are what you eat' appears to -still- be a revolutionary concept to 'fat acceptors' et al.

02:21:10 assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 23:23:27; gabriel_laddel: his(their) ability, to develop the practice of medicine in accordance with reality. Being subject to the prejudice and technical limitations of the times is inescapable (the notion of "humors" may have made more sense without knowing of chemical reactions). The notes on the constitution of a patient's stool, fasting and diet are probably still valid. In the 'General Introduction' Jones notes that phi

02:21:21 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that's hardly a common definition in north america. why ? sprawl. no geographic boundaries to contain construction from going horizontal rather than vertical.

02:21:26 BingoBoingo: Wood beams has always been the north American Standard. Wood's been so easy to get.

02:21:46 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in my mind, the zone where 'things go horizontal' is 'not city' by definition

02:21:51 asciilifeform: in usa we call it 'suburb'

02:21:56 asciilifeform: and it is its own type of zone

02:22:01 asciilifeform: (i happen to live in one)

02:22:15 decimation: asciilifeform: what do you call mcmansions in greater montgomery county

02:22:18 asciilifeform: 'city' is where they have underground trains, high-rises, things older than 50yrs

02:22:19 asciilifeform: etc.

02:22:20 pete_dushenski: decimation indeed. we're seeing increasing amounts of mexican and south us (black) labourers. rest are polacks and newfies (like nubbins`_

02:23:35 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129391 << i am rather surprised to learn that anyone but me still gives a damn about gentoo

02:23:35 assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 23:38:48; mod6: To begin with, I was completely unfamiliar with gentoo in any sense -- aside from once trying to set it up from the Handbook, which I found that I didn't have time to work my way through and get it set up properly. So my goal was to get familiar with Gentoo and to start to build a system that can be agreed upon that suits our needs for building bitcoind.

02:23:37 decimation: pete_dushenski: amusingly it is my understanding that the central americans have nearly completely displaced certain construction trades, to the point that it is nearly impossible for a regular white (or black) person to work on a 'framing team'

02:23:44 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that's reasonable. it's also funny to note that while i live in the city proper, it's all of two square kilometers out of, what, 40 ? 80 ?

02:23:48 asciilifeform: (i had the impression that mircea_popescu gave up with it)

02:24:31 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I misrememebred priced at $95 kilo, prolly sell for $75 kilo still http://www.trulia.com/property/3187919868-1515-7th-St-Highland-IL-62249

02:24:34 assbot: 1515 7th Street, Highland, IL For Sale | Trulia.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGeuKB )

02:24:34 pete_dushenski: lolk so edmonton is listed on wikipedia as having 9,426.73 km2 metro area.

02:24:49 pete_dushenski: so much for using my broken head !

02:25:11 pete_dushenski: really. wtf. where all my zeros at ?

02:25:31 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129449 << orlov assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact.

02:25:31 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 00:09:37; mircea_popescu: but of much more direct interest, "It is hard to see why this same pattern wouldn't hold once the US places much of itself under military occupation."

02:27:12 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129714 <<< a lot of the good pork/beef/lamb is exported and the supermarkets import shit from china

02:27:12 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:17:59; decimation: one advantage of australia and new zealand is that they have to grow their own fresh vegetables - so everything is 'local'

02:27:13 decimation: asciilifeform: does the 486 'headless client' run dos?

02:27:13 pete_dushenski: decimation well, they gotta start south and work their way north, y'know ? i'm at 53* N latitude !

02:27:35 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129468 << does running free bus from a public university to add meat to the 'peaceful protest' count as 'provoke' ?

02:27:35 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 00:29:49; trinque: I've wondered, considering it from the other end, whether the govt's trying to provoke fergusons and baltimores.

02:27:39 asciilifeform: because they did. i saw - alive.

02:27:44 asciilifeform: decimation: of course it will run dos

02:27:50 asciilifeform: decimation: it is why i bought it

02:28:02 decimation: not gonna put linux on it?

02:28:08 asciilifeform: (in point of fact, a modern pc actually will run dos. but i also want to run classic sound card in dos)

02:28:09 cazalla: another trick the use is to import shit from china via new zealand so as to label it packaged/made in new zealand instead of made in china

02:28:19 pete_dushenski: ftr 53.5* N latitude is the same as hamburg, dublin, and manchester

02:28:21 asciilifeform: decimation: why would i do that. i have no shortage of things to put linux on

02:28:42 decimation: yeah, good point, plus if it's a dumb terminal it wouldn't add any value

02:28:55 asciilifeform: if i wanted a terminal, i'd buy an ibm 'glass tty'

02:29:03 asciilifeform: used to have one, it got lost in a move

02:29:09 asciilifeform: ibm green-screen

02:29:38 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But note the distinct discount wood offers over both brick and vinyl http://www.trulia.com/property/3201379883-1514-Broadway-Highland-IL-62249

02:29:41 assbot: 1514 Broadway, Highland, IL For Sale | Trulia.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGeU3G )

02:29:54 decimation: then it pisses xrays everywhere

02:30:01 asciilifeform: 'radiation king'

02:30:03 BingoBoingo: ^ Location in town could not be better

02:30:18 asciilifeform: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111026121420/fallout/de/images/d/d8/Rad_king.jpg

02:30:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGeY3u )

02:30:42 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo heh. notbad.

02:31:16 asciilifeform: http://ru.fallout.wikia.com/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8D%D0%B9%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD-%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3_(%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F)?file=FO3RadiationKingTV1.png

02:31:17 assbot: Радиэйшен-Кинг (компания) — Убежище ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGf0IC )

02:31:17 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm scared to thing how much more that last property would sell for as a bare lot

02:31:25 pete_dushenski: "Carissa Yip, 11, has become the youngest chess master in the US. " << man, those old usian men need to step it up !

02:32:28 cazalla: BingoBoingo, suburb i live in http://www.domain.com.au/property/for-sale/house/vic/ringwood/?adid=2011961985&sp=15

02:32:31 assbot: Ringwood, VIC 3134 | 3 Bedroom House For Sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwWHsj )

02:32:44 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it might be interesting to learn who is still playing

02:32:49 asciilifeform: possibly it is only 11yo gurlz

02:32:50 pete_dushenski: "Carissa Yip from Andover, Massachusetts earned the title last month and also became the youngest to ever to defeat a grandmaster, Alexander Ivanov, during the New England Open in 2014." << ok. she's good.

02:33:10 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform ivanov sounds like one of your (our?) people.

02:33:22 asciilifeform: idk, can't say i followed chess in the past decade

02:33:25 williamdunne: Good article for Qntra:

02:33:25 williamdunne: http://www.wired.com/2015/05/new-york-backs-bitcoin-exchange-may-not-fly-california/

02:33:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwWIMO )

02:33:36 williamdunne: Sure there is plenty of stupidity that can be pointed out

02:33:57 pete_dushenski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Ivanov_(chess_player)#/media/File:Grand_Master_Alexander_Ivanov.jpg

02:33:58 assbot: Alexander Ivanov (chess player) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwWJQL )

02:34:24 pete_dushenski: ^'american'

02:34:27 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Covered already http://qntra.net/2015/05/itbit-unveils-new-board-confirming-qntra-report/

02:34:27 assbot: ItBit Unveils New Board Confirming Qntra Report | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwWN33 )

02:34:58 pete_dushenski: okie dokie gang, off to save the world. laters !!

02:35:13 williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Its saying that they may need further licenses - slightly different, no?

02:35:34 decimation: asciilifeform: did you see the osama death raid 'alternate history'?

02:35:35 williamdunne: >Alexander >Ivanov

02:35:43 asciilifeform: decimation: ?

02:35:57 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: "CoinBase earlier announced licensing to operate as an exchange in all 50 states, an assertion which was later found to be questionable."

02:36:10 williamdunne: BingoBoingo: This is re: itbit not CoinBase

02:36:18 williamdunne: Same stupidity different party

02:36:41 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Sentence from ItBit article highlighting how this problem has happened before and will happen again.

02:37:27 decimation: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden

02:37:27 assbot: Seymour M. Hersh · The Killing of Osama bin Laden · LRB 21 May 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGfG0E )

02:38:19 BingoBoingo: None of ItBit, CoinBase, or Gerald "DeathandTaxes" will ever get licensure in all 50 US states because of Federalism yet they will all pretend to have reached it.

02:38:22 decimation: obama's staff said it is all lies

02:39:27 asciilifeform: decimation: the official story not only does not add up, but wtf, they killed all of the witnesses (own soldiers) in 'training accidents' aha.

02:39:42 asciilifeform: does not add or subtract to the credibility of linked piece. but worth noting.

02:39:43 decimation: aye

02:41:57 asciilifeform: 'The retired official said there had been another complication: some members of the Seal team had bragged to colleagues and others that they had torn bin Laden?s body to pieces with rifle fire. The remains, including his head, which had only a few bullet holes in it, were thrown into a body bag and, during the helicopter flight back to Jalalabad, some body parts were tossed out over the Hindu Kush mountains ? or so the Sea

02:41:57 asciilifeform: ls claimed. At the time, the retired official said, the Seals did not think their mission would be made public by Obama within a few hours: ?If the president had gone ahead with the cover story, there would have been no need to have a funeral within hours of the killing. Once the cover story was blown, and the death was made public, the White House had a serious ?Where?s the body?? problem. '

02:42:30 decimation: makes sense

02:42:45 asciilifeform: 'The world knew US forces had killed bin Laden in Abbottabad. Panic city. What to do? We need a ?functional body? because we have to be able to say we identified bin Laden via a DNA analysis. It would be navy officers who came up with the ?burial at sea? idea. Perfect. No body. Honourable burial following sharia law. Burial is made public in great detail, but Freedom of Information documents confirming the burial are d

02:42:45 asciilifeform: enied for reasons of ?national security?. It?s the classic unravelling of a poorly constructed cover story ? it solves an immediate problem but, given the slightest inspection, there is no back-up support. There never was a plan, initially, to take the body to sea, and no burial of bin Laden at sea took place.? The retired official said that if the Seals? first accounts are to be believed, there wouldn?t have bee

02:42:46 asciilifeform: n much left of bin Laden to put into the sea in any case.'

02:44:15 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129594 << physics boy

02:44:15 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 01:27:04; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check out the fate of jew boy. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mda39zViQZ1rrufxwo1_1280.jpg

02:44:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would dearly like to learn the context for this picture ^

02:45:00 asciilifeform: and is this a good fate or no

02:45:05 asciilifeform: perhaps he was - poor student.

02:47:29 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129622 << you were thinking of netbsd? which has that idiotic turd, using openssl

02:47:29 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:00:08; BingoBoingo: williamdunne: They sign things too, but... For their own use in releases they have a GPG alternative because GPG licensing violates part of their license purity directive. Dunno how good it is , but sometime hetrogyny is insteresting.

02:54:27 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, OpenBSD has "signify" uses NACL based thing

02:54:45 asciilifeform: ah hm.

02:54:55 asciilifeform: about as distasteful as openssl

02:57:28 BingoBoingo: Well, the libsodium thing. Yes distasteful. Used though only for signing and verifying. Pretty sure we had a short convo about how similar "reop" sucked. Far from ideal, then again ideal needs new silicon.

02:59:58 BingoBoingo: People who have been fumbling in their own WoT simply trying to come up with a useful code signing tool. Ideal, no. Useful, maybe. MP continues his Bob Beck fatwa? Well, MP never really ends those in practice.

03:00:15 asciilifeform: bob beck ?

03:00:28 asciilifeform: useful code signing tool ?

03:00:49 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bob Beck the OpenBSd fundraiser. Sginify though was different person, tedu

03:02:06 BingoBoingo: OpenBSD though is at its weirdest reading Loper-OS and it is recognized as C coders trying to make the safest Unix they can

03:03:53 *: BingoBoingo in practice views signify as the equivalent of iso images with md5 fingerprint offered in 2004. Some asurance contents as packged, but not any guarentee

03:04:15 *: BingoBoingo has also not yet built OpenBSD 5.7

03:05:03 BingoBoingo: So necessarily has not installed it

03:06:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57926 @ 0.0002562 = 14.8406 BTC [+] {2}

03:09:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160000 @ 0.00025621 = 40.9936 BTC [+]

03:12:35 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: So the Van Cleef name in your linked article was also the same person at the CFTC meeting on Virtual currencies and with lesser connection may have been:

03:12:46 BingoBoingo: !s VanCleef

03:12:46 assbot: 2054 results for 'VanCleef' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=VanCleef

03:29:59 mircea_popescu: shit, i go watch a couple bad marty feldman movies, the log runs off

03:36:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59800 @ 0.00025176 = 15.0552 BTC [-]

03:39:11 menahem: lol, i'm here.

03:39:16 menahem: steady lurkin'.

03:41:03 menahem: how were the flicks ?

03:41:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129621 << real men write all their documentation in welts on nubile caucasian hide.

03:41:09 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 01:59:16; williamdunne: Maybe I could try and one-up them and climb up into the mountains for a few years and carve a guide into a stone tablet.

03:41:28 mircea_popescu: menahem pretty bad.

03:41:51 menahem: lol, I know you know your films. which ones did you watch ?

03:42:16 mircea_popescu: "slapstick of another kind" and "the last remake of beau geste"

03:42:22 menahem: and LOL at documenting yoself on some fine booty.

03:42:34 mircea_popescu: the first's only vaguely notable because it depicts a marginal us (in the 70s) running everything on chicken shit

03:43:05 mircea_popescu: president even quips that imagine, the most important man of the 2nd richest most powerful country being reduced to this! air force one powered on chicken droppings!

03:43:17 mircea_popescu: (the chickens are in the cockpit, occupying the entire left side)

03:43:46 decimation: ^ cheaper than liquified coal

03:44:00 mircea_popescu: the 2nd is pretty bad throughout, sort-of a lawrence of arabia made by first time drunk teenagers

03:45:23 menahem: ahh, getting drunk the first time as a teen. good memories.

03:46:00 mircea_popescu: right ?

03:46:15 mircea_popescu: usians don't even know what thery're missing, gettin gdrunk for the first time at 21 is not the same.

03:46:51 decimation: ^ rarely do they wait until 21

03:46:51 menahem: yea by 21 it's almost old. like a pair of worn in pants or something. still useful, but not new.

03:47:07 decimation: although note that usg is fine with 18 year-olds voting and dying in the military

03:47:41 mircea_popescu: dude pete_dushenski has his moments. whodda thunk he has such subtle points down pat as "the most important thing is to not overprice".

03:47:48 mircea_popescu: most people die before figuring that much out.

03:48:20 menahem: pete_dushenski is a pimp. love that guy.

03:48:22 mircea_popescu: you WILL actually make more money letting slightly under market than in ANY other way.

03:49:04 decimation: oh that reminds me, I heard a good econtalk today http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/05/michael_ohare_o.html

03:49:05 assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1F65HAL )

03:49:05 mircea_popescu: and exactly for the reason stated : if you're a slight prize, you get the best crop of tenants competing for you. if not... you're stuck rooting through the bottom of the barrel.

03:49:14 mircea_popescu: and gawd almighty is that barrel deep and has the cat pissed in it.

03:49:25 menahem: lol

03:49:29 menahem: you have the link to that ?

03:49:37 mircea_popescu: to what, the cat ?

03:49:43 menahem: lol dushenski on that

03:49:44 mircea_popescu: it's a metaphor

03:49:46 *: menahem searching the logs

03:49:49 mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/13/tips-and-tricks-for-being-a-successful-small-time-landlord/

03:49:51 assbot: Tips and tricks for being a successful (small time) landlord. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1F65KMO )

03:50:12 menahem: ahh brand new, just missed it

03:50:54 decimation: "But the one thing it seems to me that economists wake up--if you wake them up in the middle of the night and say, 'Hey, what's the most important thing?' They will say, 'Marginal cost pricing.' That the way to make a market work properly is that everything should be offered for sale at its marginal cost, which is the cost of someone using it."

03:51:30 asciilifeform: l0l re: article. also remembering 'rentalstarter' etc. for what it's worth, i live on the other end of that stick, the rental market that virtually nobody caters to

03:51:32 decimation: This was in the context of a conversation about art museums. apparently it is forbidden for any art museum to contemplate selling any of their art

03:51:40 asciilifeform: (free-standing houses)

03:51:46 mircea_popescu: decimation so it is.

03:52:04 mircea_popescu: as any purely fiat market, the art market exists strictly on the basis of such policies.

03:52:16 decimation: "'? Guest: Any museum--I'm paraphrasing--it basically says any museum that sells art for any purpose for any purpose other than to buy more art--so it's okay if you have three paintings by Painter A and none by Painter B and you like Painter B and you sell an A painting and buy a B painting. That's okay. But if you ever sell out of the collection for any purpose other than more collecting, then other museum directors are forbidden by

03:53:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody caters to anything but the govt where you live.

03:53:19 decimation: so apparently most of the monets in the us are sitting in a vault in chicago

03:53:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, palace economy

03:53:40 decimation: becuase it would be unethical to sell one to a museum in grand rapids so they could display it

03:53:42 BingoBoingo: Speaking of markets and assets, does anyone want to buy assorted daisy and iris rhizomes for fall delivery?

03:53:49 mircea_popescu: decimation this is strictly better than selling them to that texan idiot that put his fist through em

03:54:08 decimation: sure, no doubt

03:54:21 asciilifeform: l0l when was this

03:54:27 asciilifeform: somehow missed it

03:54:38 decimation: apparently the actual valuation of art in us art museums is hilariously high

03:54:50 mircea_popescu: that bitcoin isp thread on fraudsters has turned into one of the flat out strangest things i've witnessed online lately.

03:55:05 decimation: "Everybody in Chicago has what is--three and a half million people in the metropolitan area and $35 billion, like three thousand dollar [?] endowment sitting in the basement of this museum."

03:55:34 BingoBoingo: <decimation> apparently the actual valuation of art in us art museums is hilariously high << I price my iris and daisy rhizomes high because historical artifacts. FBI surrendered to BTC once in this yard

03:55:42 decimation: heh

03:55:53 asciilifeform: decimation: the entire art market is wholly and solely a kind of 'low-tech bitcoin' for fiat lizards

03:56:01 decimation: yeah exactly

03:56:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm reading it now. mindfuck.

03:56:24 decimation: the net effect is that it makes rich people think they are big shots and strokes the egos of the academic idiots

03:56:52 asciilifeform: decimation: notice the obsession with authentication. of, even, jackson pollack's splatters

03:57:12 asciilifeform: it is the dead giveaway of the actual purpose of the whole orchestra.

03:57:32 asciilifeform: has nothing to do with aesthetics, and everything with a kind of bizarre monetization.

03:58:25 mircea_popescu: o btw, the romanians failed this http://fraudsters.com/2011/test-de-americana/ "test of americana" back in the day.

03:58:26 assbot: Test de Americana on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1F669Pe )

03:58:49 mircea_popescu: questionb being "what town is being entered and which direction"

03:58:53 *: asciilifeform remembers the 'test de americana' in sierra's 'leisure suit larry'

03:59:54 mircea_popescu: hehe

04:00:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://maakal.blogspot.com.ar/2013/06/leisure-suit-larry-age-verification.html

04:00:27 assbot: Solved: Leisure Suit Larry Age Verification Questions ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZjZEo )

04:01:48 asciilifeform: waitasec

04:01:55 asciilifeform: this is -not- the classic set!

04:02:04 asciilifeform: mentions 'enron', wtf.

04:02:22 asciilifeform: and 'freedom fries' etc

04:03:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anbd re wynn's mishap : http://www.google.com.ar/url?url=http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/10/23/the-40-million-elbow&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ei=1MxSVZXzHsOdgwTPxYAo&ved=0CBoQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNHcHL4pbfohTFpHaR9wDiL5DGoE2A

04:03:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZke2d )

04:03:45 *: BingoBoingo of all things wants land in USia capable of growing serious onions, for the only reason that onion futures in USia are banned

04:04:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, better source. http://www.allowe.com/games/larry/tips-manuals/lsl1-age-quiz.html

04:04:39 assbot: LSL1 Age Quiz - Al Lowe's Humor Site ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZkhLm )

04:11:03 mircea_popescu: what the fuck is it with the koreans and killing people with antiaircraft guns.

04:11:08 mircea_popescu: is this the effect of the rambo series ?

04:11:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am presently at a loss for reasons to believe that it happened

04:11:40 asciilifeform: south kr mouthpieces tell tales of precisely this flavour regularly

04:11:41 mod6: Alright I've got a Gentoo AMD64 uclibc hardened booted successfully. I basically just had a few minor tweaks to make to the notes; i.e., uclibc version doens't install grub by default, there is no /etc/locale.gen by default. That kinda thing.

04:11:59 mod6: I'm having a bit of ssh pubkey auth issues again.

04:12:23 asciilifeform: and the disgraced and supposedly blown-from-cannons fella has, just as believably, been alleged to have been seen in public again.

04:12:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00025621 = 5.5469 BTC [+]

04:12:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129660 << sadly, distinctness and stupidity are pretty much married these days.

04:12:26 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:09:20; decimation: williamdunne: it's not that I'm a hater on asian folk, just that it doesn't have a distinct 'englishness' anymore

04:12:40 mod6: anyone know if service starts up on its own in the uclibc version?

04:12:48 mircea_popescu: mod6 dun think so.

04:12:48 *: BingoBoingo likes the rando commenters addopting scamzor names and trying to out a comment by the since quit pankkake: http://fraudsters.com/2015/introducing-the-bitcoin-isp/

04:12:48 assbot: Introducing the Bitcoin ISP on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1F67oOG )

04:13:10 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is this the effect of the rambo series ? << Yes

04:13:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129657 << pretty sure they can't simply republish it. what news would it be then.

04:13:56 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:08:53; trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness

04:14:23 BingoBoingo: As far as lower Korea is concerned they beat the Chicoms by having anti aircraft guns entrenched mostest

04:15:07 *: asciilifeform has always liked the british 'devil's wind' cannon punishment, but for some reason grew up believing at first that it had been invented by the turks

04:15:12 mircea_popescu: im not even sure wtf anti aircraft guns are supposed to even do anymore.

04:15:15 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129657 << pretty sure they can't simply republish it. what news would it be then. << Principle objection to how too articles

04:15:15 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:08:53; trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness

04:15:40 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo just saying, once he publishes it on his blog, that's that, no qntra.

04:15:46 decimation: mircea_popescu: the reason distinctness and stupidity are married is because social democracy sucks anyone with half a brain out of his native soil and places him in bureaucracy

04:15:50 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> im not even sure wtf anti aircraft guns are supposed to even do anymore <<Anti-personelle duty fron the aim impoverished.\

04:16:02 mircea_popescu: decimation may well be.

04:16:15 decimation: the wehrmacht made good use of their 88mm guns for a variety of purposes

04:16:38 mircea_popescu: it may also be that distinctness is a flavour of tradition, and no tradition survived ww2.

04:16:54 decimation: yeah that's largely true

04:17:03 mod6: awe crap, might have missed `rc-update add local default`. aight one more try here.

04:17:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: incorrect. from these figures alone << then they're not terribly useful figures are they :D

04:18:00 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo just saying, once he publishes it on his blog, that's that, no qntra. << Sure. Maybe it is a congitive bias of myself, but I assume persona; wordfests would always get the best Tips and Tricks (TM firstest)

04:19:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105827 @ 0.00025841 = 27.3468 BTC [+] {2}

04:20:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the sluts in question <<< doesn't change the fact that the sentiment was genuine.

04:20:29 mircea_popescu: im pretty certain more russians identify with a femen-centered-reality than with a stalin centered one.

04:21:46 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2ua3j7W8a1qhn3zpo1_1280.jpg

04:21:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZlbYy )

04:22:38 decimation: lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0aHnFo5CI8 < some crazy kiwis have restored an 88mm flak, fire blanks randomy

04:22:39 assbot: 88mm Flak - WW2 Anti-Aircraft Gun - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZlgvc )

04:22:51 mod6: * rc-update: local already installed in runlevel `default'; skipping << hmm.

04:24:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 224100 @ 0.00025153 = 56.3679 BTC [-] {2}

04:25:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137512 @ 0.00026012 = 35.7696 BTC [+] {2}

04:25:39 mod6: have to pick it up tomorrow.

04:27:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: "assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact." << lemme guess... they have a meta army in reserve, just haven't been using it because reasons ?

04:28:28 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: "assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact." << lemme guess... they have a meta army in reserve, just haven't been using it because reasons ? << Nah, most "officers" same just Iraw army aged out

04:28:41 mircea_popescu: myeah

04:30:29 BingoBoingo: Just ungodly turnover.

04:32:08 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129815 << this point is particularly amusing. what will the soldiers sent to kill the next obama do ?

04:32:08 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:39:27; asciilifeform: decimation: the official story not only does not add up, but wtf, they killed all of the witnesses (own soldiers) in 'training accidents' aha.

04:32:23 mircea_popescu: guy, if he has any sense, will go "hey, you kill me - they kill you."

04:43:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129826 << sadly, i have nfi. there's a bunch of ru/ukr photogs that do fetish-y/arts-y stuff in the style of met, but i can't trace this one.

04:43:11 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:44:37; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would dearly like to learn the context for this picture ^

04:45:04 mircea_popescu: o wait, williamdunne = vanclef ?

04:46:04 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, he linked to articles mentioning a Vancleef who was the same Vancleef in the CFTC hearings

04:46:12 mircea_popescu: aha

04:46:40 BingoBoingo: Still God only knows if that is the same Vancleef who noised up here back in the day

04:48:30 mircea_popescu: o, also : http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/19/world/europe/romanians-tale-has-art-world-fearing-worst.html

04:48:33 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZmDtX )

04:49:52 decimation: oh no what a shame

04:50:00 decimation: now those monets can't be kept in some basement somewhere

04:51:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 399900 @ 0.00025131 = 100.4989 BTC [-] {2}

04:51:47 decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2015/05/a-good-guy-with-a-gun/ < note that a single regular beat cop with a 9mm handgun was what stopped the crazy 'terrorists' in texas

04:51:48 assbot: A Good Guy with a Gun « Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZmNRZ )

04:52:33 decimation: one cop that could shoot accurately was infinitely more effective at 'stopping terrorists' than hundreds of thousands of security bureaucrats

04:53:09 mircea_popescu: decimation mostly quoted for the "A Romanian forensic expert at work in a laboratory at the National History Museum in Bucharest." running... windows.

04:53:28 decimation: heh, probably most such laboratories run windows

04:53:38 decimation: because that's what their fancy machines use

04:53:54 mircea_popescu: and his display i think is the basic image viewer

04:54:30 decimation: heh that's lulzy - it is the 'windows fax and media viewer'

04:55:42 mircea_popescu: with experts such as these, we hardly need brutish peasants anymore.

04:55:59 decimation: "Referring to the Dogarus, Mr. Oberlander-Tarnoveanu said, "It seems they were not very honest, because apparently a lot of members of the family had a long judicial history."

04:56:05 decimation: no shit sherlock

04:56:56 decimation: from the earlier podcast "Again, if you accept my proposition that the object of the museum enterprise is for people to be engaging with art rather than for museums to be possessing art, then I think all of these questions come to the surface, and that they are real possibilities once we understand how much enormous wealth has been accumulated and isn't being put to use."

04:57:45 decimation: note the difference between merely possessing and engaging - "Yeah I have a chunk of that roman temple, it's my birdbath"

04:58:05 mircea_popescu: what if i don't accept that proposition ?

04:58:29 mircea_popescu: it seems to me the height of stupidity. "people" have specifically no business "engaging" with art.

04:58:48 mircea_popescu: they've "engaged" with literature, and it was to everyone's detriment.

04:59:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72100 @ 0.0002603 = 18.7676 BTC [+]

04:59:46 decimation: heh. well if you zoom out to the big picture - there is no 'optimal' distribution of art if you define 'optimal' as 'turns peasants into people'

05:00:50 mircea_popescu: right ?

05:01:05 decimation: the layers of pretense wrapped up in the 'art' market are amusing

05:01:37 mircea_popescu: there is this very ridiculous animism at work, whereby somehow "art" is objectively beautiful, and beauty is somehow objectively good, which makes it you know, turn lions to lambs.

05:01:37 decimation: rich folk pretend they have taste, 'art people' pretend they are somebodies, hedge fund managers pretend they are 'investing'

05:01:41 mircea_popescu: a trope as old as the greeks.

05:02:25 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the purpose of art is much simpler : the mob is illiterate, and art is the single letter alphabet catering to all its needs : "THIS IS WHY YOU ARE SCUM". that's the only sentence that needs to be expressed.

05:02:33 decimation: cities pretend they have culture, schools pretend to education. all because some derp scribble some shit on a canvas

05:02:42 mircea_popescu: and that's why revolution -> looting versailles is such an automatism

05:02:54 mircea_popescu: and why the "golden toilets" propaganda bits of contemporaneity.

05:03:27 decimation: because when the san qulot saw the fancy paintings they knew in their hindbrain that they were inferior?

05:04:01 mircea_popescu: no, because they had spent their lives with the "you are inferior because versailles" mantra

05:04:15 mircea_popescu: so once they decided to no longewr be inferior they had to do SOMETHING about this

05:04:46 mircea_popescu: there really is no objective anything in aesthetics. what hindbrains.

05:05:14 decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution#/media/File:Cruikshank_-_The_Radical%27s_Arms.png

05:05:16 assbot: French Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZnrik )

05:06:51 mircea_popescu: is that up top a frigian gynecologist's cap with candles ?

05:07:45 decimation: heh yeah it's a phrygian cap

05:07:48 decimation: donno why the candles

05:08:32 decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_cap < for folks who don't know

05:08:33 assbot: Phrygian cap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGtzvH )

05:09:44 decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_cap#/media/File:Manif_pour_tous_Paris_2013-01-13_n11.jpg < continues even to this day, the derpitude

05:09:45 assbot: Phrygian cap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGtEiU )

05:12:34 decimation: heh there are amusing layers here > "In 1854, when sculptor Thomas Crawford was preparing models for sculpture for the United States Capitol, Secretary of War Jefferson Davis (later to be the President of the Confederate States of America) insisted that a Phrygian cap not be included on a Statue of Freedom, on the grounds that "American liberty is original and not the liberty of the freed slave". "

05:13:29 mircea_popescu: heh.

05:13:37 mircea_popescu: argentinians are really into the cap.

05:14:08 decimation: usians have mostly forgotten about it, even though it apparently is on the seal of the us senate

05:15:06 decimation: is argentina going to slide into socialist morass like brazil and mexico?

05:17:11 mircea_popescu: no. brazil and mexico are actually developped economies and so forth.

05:17:17 mircea_popescu: argentina is a bunch of inept peasants.

05:17:31 mircea_popescu: they used to export meat, but failed to meet the quotas, lost the contracts, are now exporting soy.

05:17:41 mircea_popescu: argentina is headed to go look for chad, not for brazil.

05:17:54 decimation: it's amusing that the supposed flower of germany's exiles haven't seem to have underped argentina

05:18:05 mircea_popescu: heh. country is half italians.

05:18:09 mircea_popescu: no place could survive such a thing.

05:18:13 decimation: heh

05:20:50 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Tree_map_export_2009_Argentina.jpeg < there you go.

05:20:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGuDjg )

05:21:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167950 @ 0.00025116 = 42.1823 BTC [-]

05:22:03 decimation: lol oilcake

05:22:21 mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Romania_Export_Treemap.png << meanwhile this is what they THINK they're doing.

05:22:22 assbot: File:Romania Export Treemap.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGuMmO )

05:22:50 decimation: wow romania actually makes shit

05:23:38 mircea_popescu: !up copypaste

05:24:03 copypaste: thanks

05:24:14 mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?

05:24:38 copypaste: i own 8ch.net. i was here before, maybe when it was called 8chan.co, on a different nick.

05:24:44 decimation: I bet the majority of argintina's 'raw materials' exports are extracted by foreign corporations

05:24:51 mircea_popescu: doh.

05:24:58 mircea_popescu: o yeah. how goes ?

05:25:09 copypaste: quite well actually

05:25:28 cazalla: copypaste, hotwheels?

05:25:42 copypaste: yes, that's the name people have given me ;)

05:25:46 copypaste: this is my normal nick

05:26:01 mircea_popescu: copypaste you know it'd be a great idea to make and register a gpg identity, that way you won't have to lose your identity

05:26:14 cazalla: copypaste, i like ben garrison's drawing of you

05:26:32 cazalla: can you lick your elbow for us here btw?

05:26:36 copypaste: lol

05:26:36 mircea_popescu: lmao

05:26:40 copypaste: yes i was here to do that after reading some of your blogs. i really like the recent one about argentina

05:26:52 mircea_popescu: hey, do you do advertising on 8chan ?

05:26:54 copypaste: you said that no one is anyone in bitcoin if they aren't in the WoT so I came around to attempt to become someone

05:26:58 copypaste: I do

05:27:03 mircea_popescu: it's not hard.

05:27:03 mircea_popescu: !h

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05:27:18 mircea_popescu: aite so get in the wot then let's work something out.

05:27:28 cazalla: copypaste, you should BingoBoingo about all the hottie pinos you're banging

05:27:38 copypaste: hehehe

05:27:39 cazalla: tell i mean

05:33:00 BingoBoingo: So Jealous here in lower Illinois.

05:33:15 copypaste: OK. I did !register but !up tells me I have to have a certain rating to !up

05:33:27 mircea_popescu: and to satisfy cazalla's urge for interracial hotties, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcerq1G5fk1rj0p5uo1_1280.jpg

05:33:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZp8MQ )

05:33:31 copypaste: I don't see any other way to verify though

05:33:40 mircea_popescu: !rate copypaste 1 Presumably, 8chan owner

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05:33:56 BingoBoingo: !rate copypaste 1 Rolling fury

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05:34:01 copypaste: thanks

05:34:15 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.copypaste.1:6a39e2875f7495615b8265fa1f1f6054353e1a308551b3c4a80dae745ff74ed8

05:34:15 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: Presumably, 8chan owner

05:34:47 copypaste: hmm

05:34:51 copypaste: gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 16B8E32E

05:35:00 BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.copypaste.1:a6902919995628c0c68869bfdf8c7522fa21bd81a50d0776b7f7799f4cc9b42e

05:35:00 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: Rolling fury

05:35:01 copypaste: but I did

05:35:02 copypaste: 01:31:43 copypaste !register 6F12EC72A82ABCA35235063A10DDC983901AA183

05:35:11 copypaste: not sure what key is 16B8E32E

05:35:20 mircea_popescu: !gettrust copypaste

05:35:22 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user copypaste: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=copypaste | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/copypaste/

05:35:46 mircea_popescu: dang alpha doesn't have him yet

05:36:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Alpha only updates daily

05:36:03 mircea_popescu: ya

05:37:13 mircea_popescu: [tonick] => copypaste [tokey] => 6f12ec72a82abca35235063a10ddc983901aa183

05:37:35 copypaste: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5e6659d6e8e7099a is encrypted with ID 16B8E32E

05:37:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGwbtu )

05:37:35 mircea_popescu: you're registered alright, what's the problem

05:37:40 *: BingoBoingo still soliciting bids on decade old Iris rhizomes in purple, yellow and gold as well as white common daisy rhizomes

05:37:47 copypaste: So that's the wrong key

05:37:47 mircea_popescu: copypaste that's his key.

05:37:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 440968 @ 0.00026023 = 114.7531 BTC [+] {3}

05:37:51 copypaste: Oh

05:37:56 mircea_popescu: he needs to confirm his rating of you

05:38:05 cazalla: !rate copypaste 1 prolly JIDF but anyway

05:38:05 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e938803b880a802b

05:38:08 copypaste: I understand. I thought you were telling me how to verify, sorry.

05:38:09 copypaste: lol

05:38:23 mircea_popescu: nah, you registered and got ratings, you're good.

05:38:35 BingoBoingo: copypaste: It is a cognitive hiccup we all hit nao

05:38:50 mircea_popescu: tomorrow can check out your name in alpha website, under http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/copypaste

05:38:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGwioQ )

05:38:55 BingoBoingo: previous different bot was different

05:39:19 mircea_popescu: ok, so now : what would you want to push the "Welcome to 8chan," text to the right on 8chan, and sell me the center there.

05:39:38 copypaste: For how long?

05:39:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157100 @ 0.00026003 = 40.8507 BTC [-]

05:40:03 copypaste: Also, I recommend putting ads on the boards (or the boards page https://8ch.net/boards.html ) and not the homepage for the most people to see it.

05:40:04 assbot: Boards on ∞chan ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZpxin )

05:40:20 mircea_popescu: forever.

05:40:26 mircea_popescu: paid monthly or w/e.

05:40:32 mircea_popescu: hm

05:40:38 copypaste: forever, haha. what would the text be?

05:40:50 mircea_popescu: oh i see... yeah boards much better huh

05:41:06 copypaste: Yeah. Most people just bookmark their favorite board or whatever.

05:41:13 mircea_popescu: right makes sense.

05:41:25 mircea_popescu: the idea being that i'd just rotate banners, whatever they might be.

05:41:33 cazalla: !v assbot:cazalla.rate.copypaste.1:3cabd5a51fac525d743abba6bdd058dd0c0a75bdb94cde95251c51e58e81e598

05:41:33 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: prolly JIDF but anyway

05:41:46 mircea_popescu: ;;ud jidf

05:41:47 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jidf | Jidf is an acronym for Jewish Internet Defense Force, an organization, whose job is to spread positive propaganda about Israel. Supporting Isreal on news ...

05:41:55 mircea_popescu: ahaha wut.

05:42:08 mircea_popescu: cazalla incidentally, i was reading about some anti-racist association thingee. was good for a lol.

05:42:21 cazalla: it's a /pol/ joke/troll

05:42:34 copypaste: Well, it is a real organization too.

05:42:42 copypaste: But it's not known if they actually post on 4/8chan.

05:44:23 mircea_popescu: so are mine. http://antiracistaction.org/?p=275 << derping about how they beat up on some dudes.


05:44:27 mircea_popescu: very adolescentine altogether.

05:45:03 cazalla: pretty sure they posted on 4chan but prob not near as much as claimed

05:45:03 mircea_popescu: made me feel 16 all over again

05:45:36 mircea_popescu: o, wait, cause there's this jews imageboard meme, rite.

05:45:47 copypaste: Yes

05:45:55 mircea_popescu: copypaste any reason those banners are all tiny ?

05:46:12 copypaste: 728x90 is tiny?

05:46:19 copypaste: I assumed it was a standard size

05:46:21 mircea_popescu: maybe i happenbed opn a small one lessee

05:46:30 mircea_popescu: http://8ch.net/static/banners/n/1429920267517.jpg <<

05:46:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZpV0b )

05:46:34 mircea_popescu: that can't be 728 across

05:46:42 copypaste: Ahh. That's not an ad banner, it's a board banner.

05:46:47 copypaste: They're set by whoever creates the board.

05:46:57 mircea_popescu: oh

05:46:59 copypaste: Ad banners are above the post form

05:47:06 copypaste: On 404 pages, and on catalog pages. Yeah.

05:47:41 mircea_popescu: so those anonymous ads things ?

05:47:52 mircea_popescu: ugly whiter Pirate Center Fast Torrent Downloads Download Movies Music Games & Software Free & FAST pirate.center" thing ?

05:47:54 cazalla: copypaste, so is it copypaste? i figured it was hotwheels for real

05:47:59 *: BingoBoingo thinking everyday a proboxing fight for my 40th birthday is more realistic

05:48:14 copypaste: cazalla: I am hotwheels for real, how would you like me to verify that?

05:48:30 copypaste: I added my pubkey from http://8ch.net/pubkey.txt to assbot

05:48:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZq0B4 )

05:48:35 cazalla: no, i mean nickwise

05:48:49 cazalla: wasn't sure if you call yourself hotwheels or just others

05:48:49 mircea_popescu: that's actually valid verification.

05:49:07 copypaste: Oh. I've always used the nick "copypaste" in IRC ( as well as on Github: http://github.com/ctrlcctrlv ). Hotwheels is a meme.

05:49:08 assbot: ctrlcctrlv (Fredrick Brennan) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZq2sC )

05:49:33 mircea_popescu: copypaste ok, so how much do "anonymous-ads" pay you for that spot ?

05:49:54 copypaste: It was abysmal before I contacted the owner. Then he paid me 0.01BTC for yesterday.

05:50:00 copypaste: Still pretty abysmal, but it was even worse before.

05:50:05 mircea_popescu: ahaha.

05:50:28 mircea_popescu: i''ll payt you 1 btc upfront for the first month and you give it to me, exclusive. no other ads on 8chan

05:50:28 cazalla: copypaste, ah ok got it, wasn't questioning if you are who you claim to be btw

05:50:33 mircea_popescu: anbd this includes coinbase bullshit.

05:51:11 copypaste: I'm not even getting paid for that Coinbase link ;) 4free

05:51:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> so are mine. http://antiracistaction.org/?p=275 << derping about how they beat up on some dudes.<< WHat the everloving fuck.


05:52:02 mircea_popescu: copypaste i write you a rotator script, you just pull that in ?

05:52:38 copypaste: mircea_popescu: Some boards don't have a-ads. The agreement with the hosting company is that for some boards, they put their own ads, but I don't know how much those make. In turn they don't send me a bill.

05:52:53 mircea_popescu: which boards are these ?

05:52:55 copypaste: I can put it on all the a-ads boards, but if I made it exclusive for you for the whole site, I'd need to find a new host.

05:53:26 BingoBoingo: I guess BTC-ISP will have to fish a new client...

05:53:29 copypaste: They are...every board except:

05:53:32 copypaste: $config['banned_ad_boards'] = array('b','furry','cuteboys','hebe','erp','loli','hentaikey4','younglove','r9k','ssft','deutsch','bbw','r','rule34','100l','hentaikey4','kong','lit','baphomet');

05:53:46 *: mircea_popescu doesn't even know wtf this all is.

05:53:52 copypaste: Boards.

05:53:53 copypaste: 8ch.net/b

05:53:54 mircea_popescu: so your host gets the listed ones ?

05:53:57 copypaste: 8ch.net/furry

05:54:00 mircea_popescu: yeah but, baphomet ? wtf ?

05:54:04 copypaste: No, he gets all of them except the listed ones.

05:54:08 mircea_popescu: o.O

05:54:22 mircea_popescu: can you up yourself ?

05:54:25 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Baphomet is the devil board that doxxed the evil Judge Forrest

05:54:30 mircea_popescu: oh.

05:54:31 BingoBoingo: !up copypaste

05:54:41 BingoBoingo: copypaste: !up thyself

05:54:49 mircea_popescu: so basically host gets all teh good ones is the idea ?

05:54:56 copypaste: !v assbot:copypaste.up:a83b0e7626cd435b725ff2f5cf9273e420a71a9f1d84305e3c58401f4b8c0acb

05:55:01 copypaste: /b/ is a good one.

05:55:08 copypaste: /furry/ is rank #4.

05:55:14 copypaste: /cuteboys/ is also in the top 25. Rank 10 I think.

05:55:19 copypaste: Basically he doesn't like porn boards.

05:55:28 copypaste: /b/ is the second most popular board on the site.

05:55:37 mircea_popescu: and pol gets no ads i see ?

05:55:45 copypaste: You might have adblock on

05:56:01 copypaste: Or, the derps (sorry to steal your word) in charge still have ignored me and haven't added SSL support

05:56:09 mircea_popescu: yeah. it just fails to load.

05:56:12 BingoBoingo: copypaste: Basically everyone here has weird browser settings and compile flags

05:56:15 copypaste: Indeed, that's the problem

05:56:21 mircea_popescu: well, what sort of server are you getting ?

05:56:31 copypaste: We have 7 servers.

05:57:03 copypaste: One of them has a 10TB RAID6 for all the media.

05:57:04 BingoBoingo: copypaste: Discrete machines, VPS cores, or rack units

05:57:07 mircea_popescu: and so your host gets /pol/ but can't be arsed to put advertising on it fo real ?

05:57:35 copypaste: If you visit it on non-https it will work. Like I said, they are hard to deal with. They told me "new ad code by the end of May".

05:57:46 copypaste: I'm holding my breaeth still.

05:57:55 copypaste: Also most of the ads are in Japanese.

05:58:14 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1Y0NDJX << this is there, so it just fails.

05:58:15 assbot: dpaste: 1Y0NDJX ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGxQiF )

05:58:31 mircea_popescu: http://8ch.net/pol/ << http is no different, soimehow

05:58:32 assbot: /pol/ - Politically Incorrect ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGxRTO )

05:59:13 BingoBoingo: I see no banner on /pol/ either, but...

06:00:14 copypaste: I do: http://a.pomf.se/miwbnz.png

06:00:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZqFT8 )

06:00:35 copypaste: As I said, they're incompetent so it doesn't work over HTTPS.

06:00:43 copypaste: That's really what it comes down to.

06:00:55 copypaste: And they can't be assed to fix it until end of May, apparently.

06:00:56 mircea_popescu: i think it might not work because geolocation, too.

06:01:06 copypaste: Oh yeah, that's a local ad for here.

06:01:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're getting 7 servers including expensive raid arrangements for the ads you should prolly stick to that deal. i doubt the advertising value of what seems like 15 maybe 20k uniques past 72 hours could support that.

06:02:11 copypaste: Indeed. And if you want any of the a-ads boards I can do that too.

06:02:12 mircea_popescu: course, since they seem to just be burning the americas market... maybe ask them if they'd be willing to split it like that ?

06:02:33 mircea_popescu: copypaste honestly i mostly wanted pol.

06:03:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35243 @ 0.00025116 = 8.8516 BTC [-]

06:03:22 copypaste: I can do that. They told me that if people email me about ads on boards they have ads on (/pol/, /v/) I should accept it and tell them.

06:03:31 copypaste: I get email occasionally about putting ads on /v/.

06:03:35 copypaste: (Video Games)

06:03:45 mircea_popescu: that too, im about to launch eulora.

06:04:02 copypaste: So in reality I'll pay them most of what you give me, but you still get your ad.

06:04:51 mircea_popescu: interesting approach.

06:04:57 copypaste: And I can remove the Coinbase/localbitcoins thing as well

06:05:09 copypaste: Indeed. Since I'm the main email ( admin@8chan.co ) I get most ad inquiries anyway

06:05:26 mircea_popescu: alright, well, let's see this, gimme then the a-ads set + pol + v, and i

06:05:32 mircea_popescu: ll pay the btc and after a month we see.

06:05:34 mircea_popescu: how about that ?

06:05:40 copypaste: Okay, cool. Works for me

06:05:52 mircea_popescu: aite, effective in a coupla days once i get the rotator in place ?

06:06:10 copypaste: Sure thing

06:06:13 mircea_popescu: addy ?

06:06:33 copypaste: I can implement it as soon as you're ready by adding /pol/, /v/ and /i/ to the banned_boards thing and then changing the ad code.

06:06:44 copypaste: Addy is 1LMWkmYpPNXLr9SKHXtZvSrraEWTZtm5Wb

06:07:07 copypaste: Or 1PeYbcRaXTKGaCaRzRsPbfPXrQNc8Cfxkm . Doesn't matter.

06:07:29 mircea_popescu: aite. ideally you add this chan to your idle list and so i can just ping you when it's ready.

06:07:47 copypaste: Will do. It'll be the 117th channel I'm idling in :)

06:09:24 mircea_popescu: lol

06:10:02 mircea_popescu: cazalla hey, wanna make a list of fraudsters articles that fit with 8chan ? and qntra idem.

06:12:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97140 @ 0.00025244 = 24.522 BTC [+]

06:13:57 cazalla: not sure qntra has any specific to pol, they'd need an interest in bitcoin to begin with.. as for fraudsters, i'll have a hunt

06:14:15 copypaste: I've gotten some of them interested.

06:14:15 mircea_popescu: gotta find something.

06:14:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198350 @ 0.00026123 = 51.815 BTC [+] {3}

06:14:30 copypaste: Due to derps 8chan can only accept Bitcoin donations reliably.

06:14:37 copypaste: I've had to school many people in how to buy Bitcoin due to this.

06:15:16 cazalla: copypaste, fucking flattr eh

06:15:23 copypaste: Indeed. Not just them.

06:15:29 copypaste: Gratipay, Patreon. PayPal but that's a give in.

06:15:34 cazalla: well paypal is a given

06:15:48 mircea_popescu: lol what is the issue again ?

06:16:01 copypaste: PayPal blocked me for "hate speech"

06:16:07 mircea_popescu: https://media.8ch.net/cuteboys/src/1431376685493.jpg too weird ?

06:16:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGzukx )

06:16:17 mircea_popescu: what did you say ?

06:16:20 copypaste: Patreon blocked me for "illustrated child pornograhy"

06:16:34 copypaste: mircea_popescu: It's not what I say. These peopole hold me accountable for what anonymous users do.

06:16:36 copypaste: That's the problem.

06:16:52 copypaste: They hold us accountable for the posts on the site as if we mdae them.

06:16:56 mircea_popescu: lol illustrated pornography!

06:17:04 mircea_popescu: well ok, so what did the posts say

06:17:14 copypaste: They didn't cite any specific posts, PayPal at least.

06:17:35 cazalla: copypaste, that's family guy porn is illegal here, same with A cup sized titties in porn because can be somehow associated with pre-pubescent girls

06:17:41 cazalla: oh and squirting too.. banned

06:17:42 copypaste: Indeed. That was their official reason. It even got in a video game blog: http://www.destructoid.com/8chan-removed-from-patreon-becomes-cat-sanctuary-285272.phtml

06:17:42 assbot: 8chan removed from Patreon... Becomes cat sanctuary - destructoid ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGzAZq )

06:17:49 copypaste: cazalla: Australian?

06:17:52 cazalla: yup

06:18:04 copypaste: Yeah, that's insane.

06:18:10 copypaste: That's why there's no web services running out of Aus.

06:18:15 copypaste: No forums or user generated content sites.

06:18:28 mircea_popescu: wait. what's the problem with squirting ?

06:18:45 copypaste: Patreon wrote

06:18:47 copypaste: "While we understand your commitment to free speech, we will not allow 8chan to continue using Patreon, as several boards facilitate the distribution of harmful content and activity, such as illustrated child exploitation imagery."

06:18:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They think it is pissing

06:18:53 cazalla: well australian government says women can't squirt, doesn't exist and is in fact pissing and urination porn is forbidden

06:18:54 mircea_popescu: so ?

06:19:08 mircea_popescu: wait... pissing is forbidden in australia ?

06:19:09 mircea_popescu: so what do you do ?

06:19:21 copypaste: I guess videotaping the pissing is illegal.

06:19:27 copypaste: You can still piss, just don't let a camera see.

06:19:36 cazalla: pissing and fucking at the same time on video or providing it for others to watch is illegal

06:19:38 mircea_popescu: what happens if you piss on surveilalnce cams ?

06:19:50 copypaste: haha

06:19:51 mircea_popescu: like you know, take a girl out, fuck her, the piss on the cam.

06:19:56 copypaste: Or if you have sex in a public bathroom

06:19:58 copypaste: Indeed.

06:20:00 mircea_popescu: (yes, i have done this)

06:20:09 copypaste: Call the cops on the operator of the camera.

06:20:16 cazalla: they'll arrest you for pissing in public

06:20:29 mircea_popescu: ...

06:20:34 mircea_popescu: you got no bars there i take it.

06:20:46 cazalla: we do and they run sting operations in alley ways to catch pissers

06:20:49 BingoBoingo: No, the CCtv perv was a pr0nographist

06:21:07 mircea_popescu: ahahaha what

06:21:30 BingoBoingo: <cazalla> we do and they run sting operations in alley ways to catch pissers << Not a thing here yet

06:21:35 mircea_popescu: copypaste https://blockchain.info/tx/eea8640039c6eeb7ee7d3b109f540eb1c1283202526952381ba2ace420e11906

06:21:38 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction eea8640039c6eeb7ee7d3b109f540eb1c1283202526952381ba2ace420e11906 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGzZLg )

06:22:16 mircea_popescu: http://8ch.net/cuteboys/res/94850.html << dude check out all the fuckable adolescent bois.

06:22:17 assbot: /cuteboys/ - The Slut Thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGA4ic )

06:22:35 cazalla: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/public-urinations-dry-up-after-act-police-and-city-initiatives-20140306-34afb.html

06:22:37 assbot: Public urinations dry up after ACT Police and city initiatives ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGA6GL )

06:22:40 copypaste: Thanks mircea_popescu. Ping me with the ad code when it's ready

06:22:45 mircea_popescu: sure.

06:23:28 mircea_popescu: https://media.8ch.net/cuteboys/src/1430738295625.jpg << that is his rifle, that is his gun.

06:23:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGA9Cy )

06:23:39 mircea_popescu: and that to the left is the lightswitch.

06:23:51 copypaste: lmao. That board literally has a map

06:24:01 copypaste: Where they put markers of themselves and ask to get fucked.

06:24:33 BingoBoingo: ;;google they really are buttcoins nao

06:24:34 gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao; Perfect money corrupts absolutely on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely; February 2013 on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2013/02

06:25:24 mircea_popescu: ahaha yeah. copypaste any womenz on 8chan as far as you know ?

06:25:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 203100 @ 0.00025365 = 51.5163 BTC [-] {5}

06:25:38 copypaste: There is a /fem/ board.

06:25:43 copypaste: Unfortunately not as popular.

06:25:47 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters pay for your tits

06:25:49 gribble: I'll pay for your tits on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/; They really are Buttcoins nao on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao; June 2014 on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/06

06:25:49 copypaste: They also sometimes post on /b/ for attention.

06:25:52 mircea_popescu: ^that's still good.

06:26:17 mircea_popescu: then they can donate the btc to you lmao

06:26:24 copypaste: lol

06:26:36 cazalla: mircea_popescu, how many article you want, tbh a lot of your content would be appealing to some of /pol/

06:26:48 mircea_popescu: cazalla i didn't think that far ahead ;/

06:26:54 copypaste: You laugh but we've gotten like 30 BTC from donations. Enough to buy a pass to trade on mpex.co! ;)

06:26:54 mircea_popescu: dunno, till you get bored.

06:27:00 mircea_popescu: win.

06:27:29 mircea_popescu: Total Received 34.99134406 BTC << yep, confirmed.

06:27:35 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> https://media.8ch.net/cuteboys/src/1430738295625.jpg << that is his rifle, that is his gun. << Nice SKS

06:27:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGAwgf )

06:27:50 mircea_popescu: nice cock, too. guy's doing okay.

06:28:30 mircea_popescu: copypaste do you have a bdsm/slavegirls board too ?

06:28:36 BingoBoingo: Well, as long as he can step away from the webs for a while

06:28:51 copypaste: Yes. 8ch.net/bdsm

06:28:56 mircea_popescu: ;;ud tfw

06:28:57 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TFW | That Feel When Followed by some feel you should be able to relate to. TFW you smoke the day's first cigarette. by feelsrapeman October 30, 2011. 2138 307.

06:29:07 copypaste: Since unlike 4chan users create the boards

06:29:11 copypaste: We get tons of interesting ones.

06:30:55 mircea_popescu: "If you donated to the Infinity Dev. Group over Flattr, it seems that they have turned into a scam and you should charge these conmen back immediately by contacting your financial institution. (I realize this includes my support key. I don't give a shit, flood their insecure bullshit report ticket in my name. I see no other way to prove it.) Reports are that they lost their PayPal account recently, and Flattr CEO and o

06:30:56 mircea_popescu: nly employee @bonq is ignoring all communication from me via their ticket system and Twitter. The icing on the cake is that they blocked me and three others for asking where the fuck 46.74 EUR went."

06:30:56 mircea_popescu: bwahaha

06:30:59 mircea_popescu: wtf is flattr anyway

06:31:36 copypaste: Shitty Swedish corporation. They take 10% anyway.

06:31:44 copypaste: Service is abysmal. They're probably going under soon.

06:31:46 cazalla: similar shit to dwolla i think

06:31:57 copypaste: After Gratipay fucked with me I put them out of business, or close to it.

06:32:08 copypaste: I don't care enough to do the same to Flattr though.

06:32:21 copypaste: You can read my Twitter TL for how. One call to FinCEN and the CEO went full GLBSE

06:32:31 copypaste: "oh no, i need to do AML! the state is coming!"

06:32:35 copypaste: he then locked evreyone's balances

06:32:45 copypaste: And is only withdrawing if you prove your ID to him.

06:32:46 BingoBoingo: !b 5

06:32:47 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2SS7ZH4.txt )

06:32:56 mircea_popescu: lmao

06:33:01 mircea_popescu: ahh the glbse was such lolz.

06:33:25 copypaste: I know. I've read a lot of your blog the past week. I wasn't around for that but that chat log, man. I could feel it.

06:33:25 BingoBoingo: Fucking Labcoin might have been close to peak lulz.

06:33:33 copypaste: "You have a welfare check" as proof of ID.

06:33:36 copypaste: Gets me every time.

06:34:05 mircea_popescu: welfare check is pretty good proof of id really

06:34:33 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, Tyrone takes it and cashes it at the Persian liquor store

06:35:11 *: mircea_popescu recalls how happy egyptians were to drink his shitty scotch

06:36:20 cazalla: ah shit look at that, fraudsters has an article on drugstore cowboy

06:36:38 mircea_popescu: doh.

06:36:49 mircea_popescu: https://media.8ch.net/cuteboys/src/1431453809153.png << check it out, vidya goons have sex

06:36:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ix7PFn )

06:39:59 mircea_popescu: https://media.8ch.net/bdsm/src/1430124615779-1.jpg < nb.jpg

06:40:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGBE3x )

06:42:41 cazalla: well, here are some http://dpaste.com/1F4XHT2.txt select some just for the quotes (such as the last) a pol loves em some quotes like that

06:42:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGBVUj )

06:43:18 mircea_popescu: thanks!

06:43:20 cazalla: fucking engrish.. can always tell i've had a day or 2 of heavy drinking when i type like that

06:43:23 mircea_popescu: get some fraudsters srsly.

06:45:19 cazalla: but anything on topic of feminism, socialism, money, jews, hitler, conservative values (vamp and marriage one would be a bit of an eye opener for some of em) would do well with the pol crowd

06:45:55 BingoBoingo: ;;google fraudsters back to the basement

06:45:57 cazalla: actually was vamp and gays, right? marriage was another article from memory to show it's a bit of bullshit this conservative idea and all

06:45:57 gribble: O hai let me wanna-be! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/o-hai-let-me-wanna-be.php?id=simonrton.blog.com; OCD: Moosh & Twist - Back To The Basement Mixtape - Stream ...: http://www.datpiff.com/OCD-Moosh-Twist-Back-To-The-Basement-mixtape.454057.html; Back to the Basement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)

06:46:01 copypaste: r/buttcoin will probably flip. I've noticed that the same trolls on r/GamerGhazi are on r/buttcoin.

06:46:04 copypaste: The crossover is real.

06:46:25 BingoBoingo: copypaste: SJW/Socialist crossover is always real

06:46:52 mircea_popescu: except buttcoin is like the only readable reddit thing.

06:47:11 BingoBoingo: Thing is around these here parts we prefer /r/rbuttcoin to /r/bitcoin by miles

06:47:29 copypaste: haha

06:49:03 mircea_popescu: yeah. sukas just make better idiocy than random twerps.

06:49:13 BingoBoingo: Last spring I survived a testicular torsion with both testicles intact. It was far less painful than any consecutive set of reading by ANdreas Herpaderpalous

06:49:35 mircea_popescu: (a suka, of course, is one of the criminals that took stalin's deal and went into the army)

06:49:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he's still twerpin' dat ass ?

06:50:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76900 @ 0.00024818 = 19.085 BTC [-]

06:52:03 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He has his own startup nao and every press release I get that feeling like I need to run to the hospital and get an ultrasound on my scrotum again (to bee fair it feels good man https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Feels_good_man)

06:52:04 assbot: Feels good man) - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGCI7q )

06:52:40 mircea_popescu: i hadn't seen anything from him in a while, assumed i musta killed him or something.

06:52:55 mircea_popescu: mebbe intel just didn't figure he matters enough to mention anymoar.

06:54:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He runs a startup nao called "Third Key Solutions" that serves other startups who wish to take on all the counterparty risk

06:54:13 mircea_popescu: aaaaite...

06:54:50 mircea_popescu: what happeend to his hot o'reilly deal to become the blockchain technology's steve jobbs ?

06:55:03 BingoBoingo: It happened. He has his book

06:55:05 mircea_popescu: got dropped like a hot potato or something ?

06:55:09 mircea_popescu: heh.

06:55:19 BingoBoingo: It apparently is still a book... just...

06:56:59 BingoBoingo: I mean he signed with O'Reilly, not the huns

06:57:48 mircea_popescu: lol

07:00:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00025576 = 20.3201 BTC [+] {3}

07:02:54 cazalla: copypaste, play agar.io much?

07:03:17 copypaste: too much.

07:03:29 copypaste: i love it

07:03:42 mircea_popescu: whassat ?

07:03:47 cazalla: yeah same, i pitched it to these goys here but no interest

07:04:05 copypaste: i like you cazalla. I'm amazed anyone here ven knew who I was

07:04:14 copypaste: I just wanted to be someone in Bitcoin and took Mircea's advice :p

07:04:55 BingoBoingo: copypaste: I had no idea you were you until dat key

07:05:00 cazalla: you're like the new moot, the luke skywalker of chans who hopefully won't join the dark side like darth moot and get cucked same time

07:05:18 copypaste: moot is a pussy. can't believe he quit

07:05:24 copypaste: how low can you go really

07:06:01 mircea_popescu: o.O

07:06:13 mircea_popescu: i thought i had a speshul place in cazalla's heart!

07:06:47 cazalla: of course you do but i spent most of my time on 4chan prior to finding this place so ya know

07:07:37 mircea_popescu: lol

07:09:08 BingoBoingo: copypaste: You know... in your next Conde Naste interview you have to mention this place as the center of Bitcoin and blacklist them when they leave that part out.

07:11:29 mircea_popescu: by the way, 2011 article re the fiat world wot. http://fraudsters.com/2011/cine-conduce-lumea/

07:11:29 assbot: Cine conduce lumea ? on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cRzkfU )

07:12:36 copypaste: BingoBoingo: I'll do my best. Journalists are notorious for ignoring half of what I say.

07:12:42 copypaste: I gave Ars very strict rules for interviewing me.

07:12:46 copypaste: That's why it went well.

07:12:54 copypaste: Gawker also contacted me. I sent them the same rules and never heard back. lmao

07:13:08 mircea_popescu: i usually just tell them to show up here.

07:13:19 BingoBoingo: copypaste: Thing is as you build power your rules will only get stricter

07:13:22 mircea_popescu: i don't believe in talking privately to people i don't personally know.

07:16:21 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And is that not a rule?

07:16:33 mircea_popescu: so it is.

07:18:08 BingoBoingo: Anyways 11 year plan is going well, arranged a sparring partner for tomorrow.

07:18:28 cazalla: for reals?

07:18:34 mircea_popescu: "To our son, his excellency, Mr Barack Hussein Obama. I have said to you before, that even if Libya and the United States of America enter into a war, god forbid, you will always remain a son. Your picture will not be changed."

07:18:40 cazalla: i use to box ya know, and kick box

07:18:47 mircea_popescu: ahh ghadafi was such a master of the lulz.

07:19:12 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Yeah, Iron pole in the backyard that at one point in history held the clothesline

07:20:12 mircea_popescu: you gonna spar with a pole ?!

07:20:18 cazalla: copypaste, this voz clan teaming up bullshit has me raging against agario tbh

07:21:03 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: 11 year plan. 29 now figure 40 I'll be ready to risk death in a ring

07:21:24 BingoBoingo: Gotta learn to jab.

07:21:26 mircea_popescu: just hang a bag like normal people. poles don't work

07:22:31 BingoBoingo: Gotta preak the metacarpals a bit to get them to heal stronger. Pole seems like an ideal target. As long as I don't break any bones all the way.

07:24:03 mircea_popescu: no dude. get a bag, srsly.

07:24:33 BingoBoingo: Alright.

07:25:04 copypaste: cazalla: yeah HKG is bullshit too.

07:25:17 copypaste: It sucks even more that we have terrible lag to all the good servers.

07:25:30 copypaste: The new teams mode makes it sort of bearable amusingly. Because you can't pick your team, Voz has no power.

07:25:44 copypaste: The Asia servers still suck ass though.

07:27:22 cazalla: BingoBoingo, 12 months and you're set

07:27:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111156 @ 0.0002631 = 29.2451 BTC [+]

07:28:01 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, I drink and smoke. A decade sounds reasonable.

07:28:09 cazalla: copypaste, oceanic servers are generally ok from australia, i'd say lag is around 100-150ms

07:28:56 cazalla: and the new team mode is useless as people don't want to team up to face other teams, they're all asian and want to gang up on 1 person

07:29:43 cazalla: BingoBoingo, as much as i hate ciggs, the drinking is prob worse

07:30:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82146 @ 0.00026428 = 21.7095 BTC [+]

07:30:55 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Only one way to find out.

07:31:29 cazalla: i'd stop drinking but then i'd need another vice

07:32:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110800 @ 0.00026443 = 29.2988 BTC [+]

07:33:14 BingoBoingo: Who honestly couldn't use another vice

07:35:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00026443 = 12.3753 BTC [+]

07:44:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74837 @ 0.00026443 = 19.7891 BTC [+]

07:47:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38548 @ 0.00026428 = 10.1875 BTC [-]

07:51:56 cazalla: copypaste, will your condition affect your longevity?

07:54:34 copypaste: unknown. some say yes, some say no.

07:54:59 copypaste: i know of a lot of old people with the same condition from a Faecesbook group

07:55:46 cazalla: do ya have any general pain or just when you break something?

07:56:34 copypaste: i actually originally got into bitcoin when i heard you could buy pain pills with it. never got any pills, only ended up with lousy Bitcoins ;)

07:56:39 cazalla: tbh i only lurk 8ch besides the occasional shit post so if you've answered AMA type shit before, i'll go have a google

08:00:56 jurov: holy log

08:13:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 253064 @ 0.0002525 = 63.8987 BTC [-]

08:16:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86600 @ 0.00024643 = 21.3408 BTC [-] {2}

08:24:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154600 @ 0.00024569 = 37.9837 BTC [-]

08:25:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.00024684 = 13.4034 BTC [+]

08:31:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82426 @ 0.00024684 = 20.346 BTC [+]

08:33:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 287450 @ 0.00025348 = 72.8628 BTC [+] {3}

08:34:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 204373 @ 0.00025841 = 52.812 BTC [+]

08:51:57 cazalla: copypaste, hope that wasn't you i just ate in agario :P 8ch

08:52:41 copypaste: nop

08:53:16 copypaste: Was fixing a weird unicode bug https://8ch.net/operate/res/17116.html#17448

08:53:17 assbot: /operate/ - ด็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็?? ... ( http://bit.ly/1bODDHi )

08:54:18 fluffypony: [09:31:28] <+cazalla> i'd stop drinking but then i'd need another vice <- like Miami?

08:54:25 *: fluffypony makes joke

08:55:22 copypaste: fluffypony: Make Monero PoS pls

08:55:35 fluffypony: not a fucking chance in hell

08:55:54 copypaste: lmao

08:56:18 copypaste: I have 600XMR. Only altcoin I've ever bought

08:56:28 fluffypony: <3

08:56:30 copypaste: Don't have much faith in it but it's the only one that's even remotely promising

08:56:48 fluffypony: it's a fun experiment

08:57:11 fluffypony: not sure it'll ever be much in the way of buy-and-hold-investment-worthy, but it's fun nonetheless

08:57:17 copypaste: indeed

09:01:44 copypaste: i wonder if anyone would even buy a PoS cryptonote coin

09:01:59 fluffypony: the dude from BBR was trying to make one

09:02:02 fluffypony: luis or somethign

09:02:30 copypaste: PoS looks too much like "piece of shit" for my tastes

09:02:32 copypaste: Terrible name.

09:02:50 fluffypony: lol I know

09:03:05 fluffypony: plus it's fundamentally broken, no matter how they try manage the initial distribution

09:03:27 copypaste: Wealth always goes to the top in any system

09:03:32 copypaste: Any system

09:03:35 copypaste: They're fighting against nature.

09:03:48 fluffypony: yup

09:08:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 188900 @ 0.00024864 = 46.9681 BTC [-]

09:12:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157900 @ 0.00024599 = 38.8418 BTC [-] {2}

09:17:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00025461 = 7.8674 BTC [+] {2}

09:28:40 wywialm: good morning everyon

09:28:50 wywialm: everyone*

09:32:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68450 @ 0.00024494 = 16.7661 BTC [-] {3}

09:36:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149246 @ 0.00025056 = 37.3951 BTC [+] {2}

09:39:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89200 @ 0.000251 = 22.3892 BTC [+]

09:48:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145800 @ 0.00026179 = 38.169 BTC [+] {4}

09:57:53 cazalla: copypaste, have you written about moving and living in the phillipines?

10:21:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46990 @ 0.00024489 = 11.5074 BTC [-]

10:36:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133696 @ 0.00024651 = 32.9574 BTC [+]

10:49:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70500 @ 0.00024468 = 17.2499 BTC [-] {2}

11:10:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110560 @ 0.00024419 = 26.9976 BTC [-] {2}

11:38:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196184 @ 0.00024622 = 48.3044 BTC [+] {2}

12:22:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 228204 @ 0.00026353 = 60.1386 BTC [+] {2}

12:38:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 238125 @ 0.00026072 = 62.084 BTC [-] {2}

12:47:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31741 @ 0.00025969 = 8.2428 BTC [-]

12:56:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 197500 @ 0.00025519 = 50.4 BTC [-]

12:58:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50750 @ 0.00025392 = 12.8864 BTC [-]

13:08:27 mats: http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-133.html

13:08:27 assbot: XSA-133 - Xen Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxCJO2 )

13:12:11 cazalla: http://bitcoinist.net/million-dollar-bitcoin-domain-name-btc-com-launches-bitcoin-digital-currency-industry-portal/ you'd think some people would learn their lesson having dealth with garza in the past but no

13:12:12 assbot: Million Dollar Bitcoin Domain Name BTC.com Launches Bitcoin And Digital Currency Industry Portal - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxCZN8 )

13:12:42 cazalla: nice team eh http://btc.com/about-/

13:12:44 assbot: About - BTC.comBTC.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxD0Rb )

13:15:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47800 @ 0.00025392 = 12.1374 BTC [-]

13:38:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154350 @ 0.00025813 = 39.8424 BTC [+] {2}

13:51:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70600 @ 0.00025392 = 17.9268 BTC [-]

14:14:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56940 @ 0.0002615 = 14.8898 BTC [+]

14:19:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149964 @ 0.0002647 = 39.6955 BTC [+]

14:29:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00026471 = 6.8428 BTC [+]

14:36:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14696 @ 0.0002647 = 3.89 BTC [-]

15:08:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93500 @ 0.00026441 = 24.7223 BTC [-] {2}

15:16:15 asciilifeform: mats: the interesting part is that floppy controller in qemu and derived proggies is enabled -even if you don't use floppy option.-

15:16:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105400 @ 0.00026596 = 28.0322 BTC [+] {2}

15:16:27 asciilifeform: mats: from the 'hackernews' thread, 'Why indeed. In fact we tried to remove the FDC, but Windows needs it in order to do certain operations like installing some drivers, so there was resistance there.'

15:16:34 asciilifeform: ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9538437 )

15:16:35 assbot: VENOM – A security vulnerability in virtual floppy drive code | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1L20rjr )

15:17:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130511 << i concur. fluffsy is STILL stubbornly not showing it off here, so i figure i'll give it moar time

15:17:11 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 08:56:30; copypaste: Don't have much faith in it but it's the only one that's even remotely promising

15:18:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc, "flopyy" ness is an arbitrary bit. you can set bios to think usb as floppies if you wish.

15:18:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: code in question concerned an emulated traditional floppy controller (the kind you gave sectors, tracks, etc)

15:18:51 copypaste: 09:12:42 +cazalla nice team eh http://btc.com/about-/

15:18:53 assbot: About - BTC.comBTC.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxD0Rb )

15:18:58 copypaste: they can't even use their CMS properly.

15:19:00 copypaste: "about-"

15:19:02 copypaste: What's with the -?

15:19:09 asciilifeform: intel 82072A etc.

15:19:10 copypaste: I'm supposed to trust these twerps with anything?

15:19:23 asciilifeform: http://wiki.osdev.org/Floppy_Disk_Controller << him

15:19:24 assbot: Floppy Disk Controller - OSDev Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1L20ICY )

15:19:29 copypaste: Man. What a waste

15:19:33 copypaste: You get this greaet domain, btc.com

15:19:38 copypaste: And then you put your about page as "about-"

15:19:40 mircea_popescu: lol who the fuck are these derps ?

15:19:50 mircea_popescu: copypaste http://btc.com/about/ < it loads normally too.

15:19:52 assbot: About - BTC.comBTC.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1L20Ken )

15:20:05 copypaste: Ah, okay.

15:20:57 mircea_popescu: lol so garza bought btc.com and is now leasing it to random derps ? mkay.

15:21:27 copypaste: Looks like it

15:21:40 copypaste: This is basically a domain squatter landing page except with a little more effort

15:22:11 mircea_popescu: pretty much.

15:22:13 copypaste: http://btc.com/what-is-bitcoin-2/

15:22:15 assbot: What is Bitcoin? - BTC.comBTC.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1L210df )

15:22:21 mircea_popescu: lol

15:22:22 copypaste: > what-is-bitcoin-2 > -2

15:22:24 copypaste: I can't handle tihs.

15:22:27 mircea_popescu: a little more effort, a lot more lulz.

15:22:33 mircea_popescu: garza delivers yet again

15:22:46 asciilifeform: plenty of wank in the thread re: 'amazon' et al. having been told of the hole long before public

15:22:49 mircea_popescu: copypaste the -2 is there because BTC.comBTC.com

15:22:54 copypaste: He puts "What is bitcion?" and "What is blockchain?" separately, as if they're different

15:23:24 asciilifeform: and 'For many of the affected virtualization products, a virtual floppy drive is added to new virtual machines by default. And on Xen and QEMU, even if the administrator explicitly disables the virtual floppy drive, an unrelated bug causes the vulnerable FDC code to remain active and exploitable by attackers.'

15:23:31 mircea_popescu: bitcion ? srsly ?

15:23:40 asciilifeform: 'bug' ahahaha.

15:24:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aws can definitely not be part of our canonical stuff huh.

15:24:22 asciilifeform: not aws-specific

15:24:37 mircea_popescu: i kinda use aws as i use xerorx

15:24:40 asciilifeform: virtually -all- 'cloud' bullshit affected.

15:24:43 mircea_popescu: right.

15:24:55 asciilifeform: and there is a bottomless mine of cruft where this came from

15:25:40 asciilifeform: the 'unrelated bug causes vulnerable code to remain active' thing very much smacks of 'he fell onto the knife ten times'

15:25:51 asciilifeform: 'shot himself in the head twice'

15:26:02 mircea_popescu: no dude it's unrelated.

15:26:12 asciilifeform: l0l

15:26:14 mircea_popescu: BECAUSE THEY SAI IT IS!

15:27:09 mircea_popescu: cazalla: you'd think some people would learn their lesson having dealth with garza in the past but no << understand the rotinculo syndrome. they DO understand, but what exact alternatives they got ? it's either this or go home. they dun wanna go home, apparently there's a famine in hungary.

15:27:10 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/qBJHX << obligatory

15:27:11 assbot: Virtualization Security | KernelTrap ... ( http://bit.ly/1L21rUN )

15:27:12 copypaste: The forum is already full of anti-Garza threads http://talk.btc.com/t/where-is-garza/68

15:27:13 assbot: Where is Garza? - Talk.Btc.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1L21rUW )

15:27:29 asciilifeform: ^ theo de raadt

15:28:15 mircea_popescu: "virtualization seems to have a lot of security benefits." aha.

15:29:10 asciilifeform: grep for 'You've been smoking something really mind altering'

15:29:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the thing is, theo gets it, but is so well fettered with "well meaning" yet "unrelated" idiots he can barely move.

15:29:35 mircea_popescu: keeping the ants at bay is any serious beetle's full time job.

15:29:51 asciilifeform: i'm not certain why he is in an anthill to begin with

15:30:29 mircea_popescu: anthill comes to you.

15:31:10 asciilifeform: 'fits in head' and 'developers count on fingers on one hand' are good thermonukes against this

15:31:20 mircea_popescu: by far the most notable point of utility of the wot to brilliant individuals is exactly this : breaks the traditional methods of anthill building.

15:31:33 asciilifeform: aha.

15:31:47 mircea_popescu: but you will notice much greater men succumbed to this. it's really how empires end.

15:32:22 asciilifeform: al schwartz taught it to me as 'the a-students hire the b-students who hire the f-students'

15:32:33 mircea_popescu: anyway, a good rule of thumb is, when the anon derps start talking about "security benefits", you know what it is.

15:32:39 asciilifeform: (in american schools, marks range in - descending - from 'a' to 'f')

15:32:45 mircea_popescu: "obfuscation layer for our lord's holes"

15:35:23 asciilifeform: usually just blind cargocultism.

15:36:14 asciilifeform: anal holes, to these folks, happen purely by chance, misfortune. even contemplating the alternative is unbearable cognitive dissonance to them.

15:36:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166459 @ 0.00025851 = 43.0313 BTC [-]

15:36:46 mircea_popescu: individual ants act in a blind fashion, but the ant layer acts systematically.

15:37:08 mircea_popescu: there's no requisite for a dram cell to know what it is holding in order for it to be holding it.

15:38:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.00026135 = 22.6068 BTC [+]

15:40:46 mircea_popescu: he also has the social skills of a rabid dog.

15:43:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74903 @ 0.00025678 = 19.2336 BTC [-] {2}

15:44:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24747 @ 0.00025392 = 6.2838 BTC [-]

15:55:05 mircea_popescu: ahahaha asciilifeform you read the comments ?

15:55:07 mircea_popescu: "Anonymous (not verified) OpenBSD still exists? Too bad. The world would be better without security fanboys in general. There is more to the world than security."

15:57:48 mircea_popescu: "In my opinion, the main reason why Windows is still faster on the desktop is that most of their current GUI framework was built back in the days of Windows 95, and the framework is so fragile that it has stopped them from adding too many new features to bloat it further. Back in 1995, Microsoft was way more performance-conscious than the open source world in 2007, simply because the hardware was orders of magnitude sl

15:57:48 mircea_popescu: ower."

15:57:54 mircea_popescu: not a bad point by any means.

15:59:41 Naphex: For many of the affected virtualization products, a virtual floppy drive is added to new virtual machines by default. And on Xen and QEMU, even if the administrator explicitly disables the virtual floppy drive, an unrelated bug causes the vulnerable FDC code to remain active and exploitable by attackers.

15:59:47 Naphex: sorry, forgot the quotes

15:59:49 Naphex: lmao :))

16:00:02 mircea_popescu: yeah it's pretty good kek.

16:00:15 Naphex: floppy drives no longer usefull? turn em into backdoors

16:00:16 Naphex: doh!

16:00:46 mircea_popescu: it's very sound, strategically. "who would bother to check"

16:14:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 348694 @ 0.00026383 = 91.9959 BTC [+] {3}

16:14:29 mircea_popescu: o.O

16:36:57 asciilifeform: 'who would bother to check' is sop.

16:37:09 mats: asciilifeform: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/alecw/eurosys-2012.pdf

16:38:20 asciilifeform: mats: ick

16:39:42 asciilifeform: 'Delusional boot provides a full set of devices with complete functionality to the OS only during the boot process. Later on, it disables the non-critical devices and it replaces the critical ones with a set of barebones virtual devices that only offer common case functionality.'

16:39:51 asciilifeform: microshit 'research,' what do you expect.

16:40:17 *: funkenstein_ dreams of running qubes on openbsd dom0

16:40:23 asciilifeform: because no one wants to edit ntldr.exe aha.

16:40:39 asciilifeform: why should anyone outside of idiot microshit take an interest in this

16:40:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101400 @ 0.00026646 = 27.019 BTC [+] {2}

16:44:49 mats: heh

16:46:27 asciilifeform: http://oglaf.com/delusionist << obligatory

16:46:28 assbot: Delusionist ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEulVN )

16:47:30 danielpbarron: !up prince_nbingo

16:47:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132300 @ 0.00026754 = 35.3955 BTC [+] {2}

16:48:14 prince_nbingo: Dear Sir, can you please tell me where to acquire the bitcoin asses? I have a business proposal for you. I will present you as the beneficiary, and i will prepare all the legal documents and present to the bank on your behalf and the bank will then release and transfer the funds to your designated account. Please to be telling about where are the bitcoin asses, I need bitcoin asses.

16:48:51 asciilifeform: l0l

16:50:15 danielpbarron: prince_nbingo, someone with your ip has joined #bitcoin and #bitcoin-dev with the nicknames Skaag and chax. Is that you?

16:56:06 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dargot.livejournal.com/282666.html#comments << massive mega-l0l re: pheminisms etc. with commentary

16:56:11 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:58:27 mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy.

16:58:40 asciilifeform: exquisitely lulzy. i'd translate if had time.

16:59:17 mircea_popescu: !up Flerb_

16:59:22 asciilifeform: (is dignork still around? perhaps he'd do the deed)

17:00:38 mircea_popescu: im kinda curious to see what ru/cn feminism wil llook like once that happens.

17:01:48 asciilifeform: it looks precisely like the imported feedstock. just, no mass uptake

17:02:00 asciilifeform: because not enough radiation damage yet, or somesuch

17:02:19 mircea_popescu: i mean once they make their own.

17:02:30 mircea_popescu: if/when they get rich and successful, they'll have stupid kids.

17:02:39 Flerb_: Are most stock exchanges using bitcoin regulated properly?

17:02:39 mircea_popescu: those stupid kids will rehash the same old stupid, in their own terms, of course.

17:03:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presently, the stupid rich kids do tour of duty in the west

17:03:09 mircea_popescu: Flerb_ http://fraudsters.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/

17:03:10 assbot: You're gonna have to learn that variety speak on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEAhhi )

17:03:19 asciilifeform: and walk through the traditional western idiocies, and attempt to import

17:03:40 mircea_popescu: no actual elite kids i met did that.

17:03:50 mircea_popescu: the aspies do it, of course, but they don't matter from what i've seen.

17:04:24 mircea_popescu: aspie [ short for aspirational ] would roughly be what they called "burgeois intellectuals" a century ago.

17:05:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145500 @ 0.00025999 = 37.8285 BTC [-] {2}

17:05:24 Flerb_: Whatever happened to ASICminer, they were around when I last looked at bitcoin stuff.

17:05:36 funkenstein_: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-aide-harris-accused-rogue-police-force-20150505-story.html <-- seems to be making the rounds in the disinfo sphere

17:05:38 assbot: Bizarre fake police force included Kamala Harris aide, prosecutors say - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEB8ig )

17:06:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what is the 'actual elite' in question ?

17:06:33 asciilifeform: romanov nephews ?

17:06:41 asciilifeform: stalin's grand-daughter ?

17:06:49 asciilifeform: everybody else - 'aspirational' no ?

17:07:05 mircea_popescu: no.

17:07:12 mircea_popescu: every KGB officer has kids, right ?

17:07:32 asciilifeform: aha and most of'em are schmucks like anybody else

17:07:46 mircea_popescu: maybe it's a pov artifact.

17:08:35 asciilifeform: ?

17:09:49 mircea_popescu: the only ru kids i know that actually go for the entire western fucktardation are kids who got overeducated by mistake, but definitely have no chance in hell of ever sitting at the table.

17:09:59 mircea_popescu: so it's kind-of natural and meaningless that they'd go for it.

17:10:12 mircea_popescu: then again, i don't know that many ru kids, and so... might just be my narrow viewpoint

17:10:33 asciilifeform: the thing is, usg had roughly same relation with ru elite as brits had with india

17:10:46 mircea_popescu: possibru

17:10:47 asciilifeform: in that 'cream' of kids would go to oxbridge, harvaprinceyaleton, etc

17:10:50 asciilifeform: mandatorily

17:10:57 asciilifeform: (hostage and cultural zombiefodder)

17:11:27 mircea_popescu: they mostly go to fuck the stupid anglo bitches, from what i can tell.

17:11:32 mircea_popescu: much like the arabs.

17:11:34 asciilifeform: from their pov - aha

17:11:58 asciilifeform: but western sahib says 'want imf credit? be gentleman - and gentlemen send sons to oxbridge'

17:12:12 asciilifeform: so rajah - sends son.

17:12:22 mircea_popescu: except russia doesn't want imf credit, for one ; and the gentleman can have a lot of sons.

17:13:02 mircea_popescu: anyway, this entire "send kids to oxbridge" meme is very novel, and it comes off the same trunk that made the "buy uk football teams".

17:13:28 asciilifeform: today, less of this, yes

17:13:39 asciilifeform: this was mainly a '90s thing

17:13:53 mircea_popescu: right.

17:14:01 asciilifeform: when the sahib-rajah-coolie relationship was going strong

17:14:20 mircea_popescu: no, not exactly. when the exploratory boom was at its peak.

17:14:36 mircea_popescu: the way people explored new bushes 50k years ago was sent children to eat them, see if they die.

17:14:48 mircea_popescu: the way people explore new bushes today is, send kids over, see what happens.

17:14:56 mircea_popescu: thisis why people even have kids in the first place.

17:15:23 asciilifeform: unrelated >> http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17341&hilit=3do+blaster&start=1580 << 'sommeliers'

17:15:24 assbot: VOGONS • View topic - Bought these (retro) hardware today ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEDKwC )

17:15:32 asciilifeform: (from mircea_popescu's link the other day)

17:16:20 asciilifeform: e.g., that 'works' microcomputer thing looks considerably more usable than any modern 'tablet' gizmo.

17:16:32 asciilifeform: betcha those keys are nearly adult size

17:29:32 asciilifeform: 'While x86 hardware has the same page-protection hardware that an IBM 390 architecture machine has, modern PC machines are a mess. They are architecturally so dirty, that parts of the video, keyboard, and other IO devices are interfaced with even to do simple things like context switching processes and handling interrupts. Those of us who have experience with the gory bits of the x86 architecture can clearly say that we know

17:29:32 asciilifeform: what would be involved in virtualizing it, and if it was so simple, we would not still be fixing bugs in the exact same area in our operating system going on 12 years.'

17:29:51 asciilifeform: (theo de raadt, of course)

17:30:52 mircea_popescu: ah, the great days from before osama had sunk the us. back when ibm was actually making business machines.

17:31:12 asciilifeform: even the laptops were spiffy

17:31:16 mircea_popescu: os/390, then z/ system. which was... 15 years ago.

17:31:50 *: mircea_popescu recalls the 31/32 bit thing could actually address an infinity of memory, in 2gb slicesa

17:32:01 asciilifeform: ^ boxes where you could pull out just about -any- component and replace, without stopping or so much as pausing, work

17:32:01 mircea_popescu: and that was what, 1992 ?

17:32:06 mircea_popescu: ayup.

17:32:25 asciilifeform: high-end versions, iirc, had tandem-voting circuit

17:34:41 *: asciilifeform recommends 'inside the as/400' (frank soltis) re: ibm design 'philosophy' in practice

17:34:47 asciilifeform: fun little b00k

17:36:19 asciilifeform: http://www.9999hp.net/botnet << unrelated

17:36:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEIDFZ )

17:39:04 mircea_popescu: "Like so many, I planned to do many things with this. But I never had the time. Now I don't have the ideas, either."

17:39:05 mircea_popescu: heh

17:40:03 asciilifeform: 'when the output actually mattered: the bygone era of dependable computing' (book does not exist, aborted project of mine)

17:43:00 asciilifeform: http://www.corestore.org/w.htm << further 'sommelier' pr0n

17:43:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEJIgJ )

17:43:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^

17:43:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00026576 = 11.2948 BTC [+]

17:44:22 trinque: http://www.corestore.org/FairlightCMI-5.JPG << what are the removable cards?

17:44:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEK1rS )

17:44:33 trinque: blades?

17:44:36 trinque: or is that one machine

17:44:43 asciilifeform: of course 1 machine

17:44:59 asciilifeform: likely, memory (or even cpu subcomponents)

17:45:04 trinque: ah

17:45:37 trinque: I was wondering if I'd run across yet another thing that'd been done far earlier than I thought.

17:47:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172200 @ 0.00025602 = 44.0866 BTC [-] {2}

17:49:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109150 @ 0.00025392 = 27.7154 BTC [-]

17:52:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00026138 = 14.7157 BTC [+]

17:54:17 trinque: asciilifeform: what do you think of a future cardano having two USB storage devices instead of one?

17:54:28 trinque: I was thinking you could connect two systems this way and still consider them gapped

17:54:35 asciilifeform: wat

17:54:41 asciilifeform: why?!

17:55:27 trinque: gpg encrypted file goes into one of the storage devices, gets decrypted and written to the other device

17:56:16 trinque: because then I could control something connected to a computer remotely, and be sure that the machine controlling it was only accepting data from me

17:56:19 trinque: or so the idiot claims

18:07:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That indigo is a good looking machine

18:08:10 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> anyway, this entire "send kids to oxbridge" meme is very novel, and it comes off the same trunk that made the "buy uk football teams". << i've always planned to hire tutors.

18:10:52 asciilifeform: trinque: air-gapped means just that

18:10:57 asciilifeform: sneakernet.

18:11:06 asciilifeform: anything else - call it something else

18:11:19 trinque: granted

18:11:26 asciilifeform: it means that you actually look at each parcel that moves.

18:11:57 trinque: probably can't do that with your remote controlled blimp's controls

18:12:55 asciilifeform: however, a communication device which only carries signed payloads, would potentially be useful.

18:13:19 asciilifeform: (well, -receives- signed payloads from signatures in known set)

18:13:32 asciilifeform: reduces, in the end, to 'gossipd'

18:14:19 trinque: ah yeah, you're right

18:14:36 trinque: secure messaging solves the thing

18:14:44 trinque: well

18:14:50 trinque: reduces to a gossipd device maybe

18:15:00 trinque: the aspect of the membrane being implemented in hardware is appealing

18:18:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125300 @ 0.00025253 = 31.642 BTC [-] {4}

18:19:52 thestringpuller: in this room full of nerds, interesting comics are rarely discussed

18:22:19 lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130301 << wai wat? wow, first taxes on deposits and now this? I'm learning new sad facts about Australia everyday

18:22:19 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 06:18:53; cazalla: well australian government says women can't squirt, doesn't exist and is in fact pissing and urination porn is forbidden

18:24:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126700 @ 0.00026138 = 33.1168 BTC [+]

18:28:45 mircea_popescu: tbh, most of the "squirting" porn is actually urination.

18:29:10 mircea_popescu: not that women can't do it, but it's an intensive thing and the atmosphere on a porn set is not exactly conducive.

18:34:44 mircea_popescu: lol jgarzik has a point. the difference between krugman and kaminska is slight at best. i'm not even sure what exactly it would be, specifically.

18:44:50 mircea_popescu: !rated gavinandresen

18:44:50 assbot: You have not rated gavinandresen.

18:44:53 mircea_popescu: o.O

18:46:34 mircea_popescu: !rate gavinandresen -10 Perennial Bitcoin lolcow and ex USG asset.

18:46:34 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4bdf8e557d208e1e

18:47:18 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.gavinandresen.-10:d83fc57bc31ecea183e9fb0ae8e93e276f156b2a193a58dea5b2e875ca17f4b2

18:47:18 assbot: Successfully added a rating of -10 for gavinandresen with note: Perennial Bitcoin lolcow and ex USG asset.

18:47:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63250 @ 0.00025157 = 15.9118 BTC [-]

18:48:04 mircea_popescu: !rated jgarzik

18:48:04 assbot: You have not rated jgarzik.

18:55:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 245308 @ 0.00026103 = 64.0327 BTC [+] {2}

18:57:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160500 @ 0.00026558 = 42.6256 BTC [+] {2}

19:11:45 trinque: http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/12/obama-dismisses-wealthy-americans-as-societys-lottery-winners-video/

19:11:46 assbot: Obama Dismisses The Wealthy As 'Society's Lottery Winners' | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBGujX )

19:16:48 lobbes: 'There’s a fairness issue involved here.' << there's that 'fair' trope again

19:17:10 lobbes: whatever happened to 'life isn't fair'?

19:17:45 chetty: fair is the one word I might agree should be banned

19:20:09 trinque: the practical meaning these days is "we're going to beat more handouts out of the wealthy"

19:20:18 trinque: world's upside down

19:24:08 trinque: no need to ban the word though; bitcoin will reduce it to ridicule

19:25:15 trinque: "fair" may be one of the most narcissistic concepts in American "thinking"

19:25:34 trinque: that no matter the game, there is always an authority with the power to render it fair

19:25:49 trinque: whether this is life and death or the cost of your tank of gas

19:26:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195300 @ 0.00025338 = 49.4851 BTC [-] {2}

19:26:33 trinque: it's easy to see that a culture which even considers "fair" a thing runs the risk of totalitarianism

19:55:04 trinque: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden << "The Saudis feared if we knew we would pressure the Pakistanis to let bin Laden start talking to us about what the Saudis had been doing with al-Qaida. And they were dropping money – lots of it."

19:55:04 assbot: Seymour M. Hersh · The Killing of Osama bin Laden · LRB 21 May 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1K6Ia76 )

19:56:20 trinque: "Both services often find it useful to engage in public feuds ‘to cover their asses’, as the retired official put it, but they continually share intelligence used for drone attacks, and co-operate on covert operations."

20:06:56 jurov: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-is-too-tolerant-and-should-interfere-more-in-peoples-lives-says-david-cameron-10246517.html

20:06:56 assbot: Britain is too tolerant and should interfere more in people's lives, says David Cameron - UK Politics - UK - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1PH5OFv )

20:07:10 jurov: “For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone',”

20:07:27 jurov: to cry, or to laugh?

20:09:04 trinque: The package of powers, first proposed in March, would allow courts to force a person to send their tweets and Facebook posts to the police for approval.

20:09:07 trinque: ahhahahaha

20:09:10 trinque: jurov: I'm going with laugh

20:10:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200144 @ 0.00025692 = 51.421 BTC [+] {2}

20:10:40 trinque: they're children; even their totalitarian day-dreams amount to "uh uh you can't tweet mean things about us!"

20:13:37 trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/13/us-usa-gulf-idUSKBN0NY28U20150513 << seems the equalitarian president can't acknowledge what an insult it is for the king to send his inferiors to meet him

20:13:39 assbot: Obama meets two Saudi princes after King sent regrets | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1PH6Hy1 )

20:15:17 trinque: "The president called Saudi Arabia a critical partner in the fight against Islamic State militants." << yes, I suppose making sure ISIS exists is critical to the fight against ISIS.

20:20:42 trinque: t4nk: you're polluting the channel with joins and quits; kindly cut it out.

20:25:06 Naphex: trinque: man you deserve op status, maybe you can kick one or two :))

20:25:33 Naphex: that kindly asking for stuff is so weka

20:25:35 Naphex: weak even

20:26:27 trinque: eh I don't know about "deserve"

20:26:39 trinque: could probably be solved with some assbottery

20:26:56 kakobrekla: myea

20:27:26 *: kakobrekla doesn't actually see parts and joins though

20:27:44 *: trinque turns those off

20:28:00 kakobrekla: its a blessing.

20:29:09 trinque: much better

20:42:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46827 @ 0.00025449 = 11.917 BTC [-]

20:48:42 jurov: imo this is UI issue, irc clients should be able to maybe fold/unfold this, or filter repeated lines

20:50:38 jurov: kicking people should be absolutely last resort

20:52:06 jurov: poor Vexual now sitting every day outside before the gate, if someone drops a word or a bone

20:53:23 kakobrekla: you want him back?

20:53:29 kakobrekla: !unrate vexual

20:53:30 assbot: vexual is not registered in WoT.

20:54:01 jurov: but he's permabanned, too?

20:54:06 kakobrekla: eh?

20:54:34 jurov: he can be !upped normally?

20:54:52 kakobrekla: i don't see a reason why not.

20:54:59 jurov: aha

20:58:30 jurov: then maybe he prefers interviewing folks individually

20:59:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56323 @ 0.00025449 = 14.3336 BTC [-]

21:11:37 kakobrekla: https://plus.google.com/+MarcBevand/posts/9waJsLiMXfZ

21:11:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBV5vF )

21:14:51 asciilifeform: ahahahahaha.

21:15:04 asciilifeform: what mircea_popescu said ~1.5 yrs ago.

21:15:30 asciilifeform: (usg miners)

21:24:07 asciilifeform: http://www.coindesk.com/california-business-raided-over-alleged-altcoin-gambling << unrelated l0l

21:24:08 assbot: Southern California Business Raided Over Alleged Altcoin Gambling ... ( http://bit.ly/1cxQLS2 )

21:27:38 asciilifeform: re: l0ltr0n1cs: today i found out that ed felten (formerly 'freedom to tinker' blog, lawsuits against riaa, etc.) has been a usg stooge for several years now.

21:27:49 asciilifeform: and just accepted yet a new job from obamitler himself

21:27:58 asciilifeform: and that 'freedom to tinker' now hosts things like https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/randomwalker/bitcoin-faces-a-crossroads-needs-an-effective-decision-making-process

21:28:00 assbot: Bitcoin faces a crossroads, needs an effective decision-making process ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBWF0O )

21:28:07 asciilifeform: written by random bozos

21:28:23 asciilifeform: sic transit gloria mundi (tm)

21:28:57 asciilifeform: http://venturebeat.com/2015/05/11/white-house-appoints-nsa-criticizing-computer-scientist-ed-felten-to-key-post << reported in some rag

21:28:58 assbot: White House appoints NSA-criticizing computer scientist Ed Felten to key post | VentureBeat | Security | by Dylan Tweney ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBWNNP )

21:29:12 asciilifeform: spun, of course, as a 'concession to critics' - naturally

21:29:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15845 @ 0.00026802 = 4.2468 BTC [+]

21:29:42 asciilifeform: 'As deputy, Felten will report to former Google exec Megan Smith, the recently named White House CTO.'

21:29:45 asciilifeform: ^ for extra lulz

21:30:03 trinque: that's forward thinking of the white house!

21:30:06 trinque: female cto, how bout that

21:30:11 asciilifeform: l0lward

21:31:47 trinque: later they'll say they "embraced the debate" by hiring him

21:32:00 asciilifeform: this fella used to be the 'genuine article'

21:32:02 trinque: (tightly enough to choke it out)

21:32:26 asciilifeform: was a genuine annoyance to usg, in the courts, press, net

21:32:42 asciilifeform: what kind of pill was used - i do not know.

21:33:40 asciilifeform: now his old www is full of gavincoin shilling etc.

21:36:42 asciilifeform: and articles like this, https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/jbonneau/be-wary-of-one-time-pads-and-other-crypto-unicorns which is a kind of 'mouse poison' in the sense that it combines perfectly valid observation 'don't use random bozo's java crypto turd' with 'one time pads cannot work'

21:36:43 assbot: Be wary of one-time pads and other crypto unicorns ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBXx5m )

21:37:07 asciilifeform: tasty bait, a little bit of poison - perfect recipe, every exterminator knows

21:38:57 jurov: well, it's more common than you think. had i myself not been here, i'd be easily swayed for an "opportunity to change things"

21:40:47 asciilifeform: jurov: sure

21:41:09 asciilifeform: jurov: and money (yes, the rotten greenback fiat kind) works wonders.

21:41:38 *: asciilifeform once starved long enough that he applied to work at old classic nsa

21:42:04 danielpbarron: !up maxwell__

21:42:17 asciilifeform: re: '21' etc >> 'The cornerstone of the strategy as presented would have been the release of consumer products that would turn power from wall sockets into bitcoin through the widespread dissemination of bitcoin mining chips.' << -somebody- clearly reads the 2013 #b-a logs.

21:42:51 asciilifeform: 'Also included in the overview is an email exchange allegedly taking place between Comcast West Coast strategic development managing director Francisco Varela and 21 CEO Matt Pauker in which the cable giant exec evaluates how its customers could benefit from participating in 21?s bitcoin mining operations.' << aha, cable boxes.

21:43:37 jurov: they would have hard time to rationalize the money if it was not connected to some do-gooding, moving and shaking

21:43:39 asciilifeform: 'According to the overview, the BitSplit chip's key innovation was intended to be a hardcoded bitcoin wallet address that would give the user 25% of mining proceeds, with the remaining 75% going to 21. Each device would be built with target applications in mind that would then allow consumers to, in theory, spend any bitcoin earned for online content or digital services.'

21:44:16 asciilifeform: jurov: that's for folks with choices. at the time i would've taken a job filleting the last remaining pandas with knives made from baby bones

21:45:12 asciilifeform: 'By the time its chips were to be embedded into Internet of Things (IoT) devices, 21 projected its cost to produce 1 BTC could be as low as $7.45.' << somebody does not grasp difficulty factor ?

21:45:13 jurov: ah, i forget in murica it's impossible to have own roof in few years

21:45:30 trinque: lol, the houses around here are half a million or more

21:45:32 trinque: give up

21:46:06 trinque: at least for strong definitions of "own roof"

21:46:21 maxwell__: danielpbarron: hi

21:46:27 maxwell__: sup

21:46:40 asciilifeform: 'In the example, one user is able to use his BTC to skip 15 minutes of commercials on online video service Hulu.' << this is just too many lulz

21:47:03 asciilifeform: essentially, they wanted to pocket 100% of the miner output while throwing occasional bones to the idiot chumpers

21:47:09 asciilifeform: it'll work, too

21:47:42 trinque: so being a part of the NSA botnet goes from top secret to productized

21:47:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29429 @ 0.00026829 = 7.8955 BTC [+]

21:47:43 trinque: brilliant

21:48:12 asciilifeform: trinque: they read the 2013 #b-a log and accepted mircea_popescu's assertion that they will have problems keeping mining secret

21:48:20 asciilifeform: but took everything else and ran with it

21:49:13 danielpbarron: i posted a comment to that freedom to tinker thing a couple days ago; it didn't get approved

21:49:33 danielpbarron: maxwell, you are mxtm, yes?

21:51:56 asciilifeform: incidentally, this is an ancient idea: http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/broadcast_20cryptanalysis

21:51:57 assbot: Halfbakery: broadcast cryptanalysis ... ( http://bit.ly/1cxVlQ1 )

21:52:06 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130913 << i wouldn't particularly count on it.

21:52:06 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:47:09; asciilifeform: it'll work, too

21:52:06 asciilifeform: long pre-dates bitcoin.

21:52:14 pete_dushenski: it's like the smartwatch idea.

21:52:30 trinque: asciilifeform: I'd expect some broken off appendage of the NSA to accumulate a sizable stash of coin even if the rest of the USG falls apart

21:52:34 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: why not? classic, grade-a chumpatron. the actual costs (mains power) are 100% externalized to the chumps.

21:52:54 asciilifeform: it is precisely the kind of scam which has endurance.

21:53:11 pete_dushenski: because a few 'early adopters' will jump on board, burn their houses down, and the thing'll fizzle out

21:53:38 pete_dushenski: having 10 appliances running full-steam 24-7 will cost $1000/mo in electricity

21:53:44 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: burn their houses down how? these won't be packaged as traditional miners, recall. it'll be in cable boxes, etc. that folks get 1 or 2 of

21:53:46 trinque: so you just end up with a cryptoturd chip built into the intel processors, and you can't get other processors

21:53:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @ 0.00026976 = 11.8425 BTC [+]

21:53:53 asciilifeform: and ^

21:54:09 pete_dushenski: i doubt even 25% of mining profits will cover the electricity costs.

21:54:23 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the beauty is that no one will ask the chump if he wants to cover the costs

21:54:33 asciilifeform: it'll be in his cable box, tv, etc. whether he likes, or not

21:54:34 trinque: what consumer asks whats in his wifi router?

21:54:36 trinque: yeah

21:54:39 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: burn down from having flammables near cable boxes, toasters, etc ?

21:54:46 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: no more than today

21:54:53 trinque: and if you really need to ram it through, attach it to some "cybersecurity" bill

21:55:00 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it'll be in his cable box, and if he doesn't like it, he will have to quit tv

21:55:00 trinque: state-sanctioned crypto chip that happens to be able to mine

21:55:28 asciilifeform: see the 'halfbakery' link, quite the same idea.

21:55:32 asciilifeform: circa 2000

21:55:40 pete_dushenski: by the time they roll these out and get them into any appreciable number of homes, it'll look like trying to fight the nazis by arming every american with slingshots

21:55:54 pete_dushenski: "but if we have ENOUGH slingshots and they're government mandated"

21:55:58 trinque: eh I don't know about that

21:56:01 trinque: I'd like to think it, of course.

21:56:04 pete_dushenski: "and if no one has a choice"

21:56:11 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the only actual problem they will have is fighting over the coin itself.

21:56:16 pete_dushenski: trinque: then think it :D

21:56:32 asciilifeform: every other cost of the plan is externalized to captive idiots

21:56:50 asciilifeform: for non-u.s. folks - if you subscribe to cable tv, you get the mandatory box. no choice about it.

21:57:02 asciilifeform: ditto local net pipe monopolies/duopolies

21:58:00 pete_dushenski: ok, so mebbe it doesn't burn houses down, and mebbe everyone has a half dozen of these chips wedged into their various appliances...

21:58:01 asciilifeform: the added cost, of the hardware, is negligible

21:58:09 pete_dushenski: i just don't seeing it mattering!

21:58:34 jurov: afaik it's so everywhere, nobody does streaming available for own hardware, i have asked

21:58:35 pete_dushenski: these things will hash like 500 mh/s

21:58:37 trinque: one must beware declaring victory early

21:58:49 jurov: "content protection" (from customer, i guess)

21:58:56 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: depends on what you think of as 'matters'

21:59:10 asciilifeform: e.g., does it matter if usg becomes largest hash force ?

21:59:16 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: mattering to hashrate, mattering to bitcoin.

21:59:46 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: sure, but this is hardly the way to go about it. even if it's all they've got left.

22:00:04 asciilifeform: after this, the natural thing to do from hitler's point of view is - to go after conventional miners

22:00:09 pete_dushenski: trinque: bitcoin declares victory until proven otherwise ;)

22:00:09 asciilifeform: extralegally, if necessary

22:00:52 pete_dushenski: it's equally likely that 'conventional miners' will begin to curry favour with local governments

22:00:59 asciilifeform: in usa, police raids for 'house was hot, you must have been growing dope'

22:01:11 asciilifeform: abroad - 'gas main exploded, sorry'

22:01:25 trinque: pete_dushenski: the declaration of a thing is not what makes it so

22:01:37 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: -this- is what 'currying favour with governments' looks like

22:01:39 pete_dushenski: actually, sane local govs are undoubtedly already currying favour with miners

22:01:55 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130861 <<< nope, he's banned/exiled

22:01:55 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:58:30; jurov: then maybe he prefers interviewing folks individually

22:02:02 trinque: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton

22:02:03 assbot: Emperor Norton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBZT4p )

22:02:13 jurov: cazalla how?

22:02:37 pete_dushenski: trinque: depends entirely who it is making the declarative statements.

22:02:48 pete_dushenski: random derp =! bitcoin

22:02:55 cazalla: jurov, because we don't tolerate drunken behaviour around these parts!

22:03:10 jurov: who "we"?

22:03:20 jurov: what if it do tolerate?

22:03:27 jurov: *what if I do tolerate?

22:03:37 asciilifeform: jurov: he's in your l1 and still can't talk ?

22:03:47 cazalla: now as much as i love the ol' Vexual, i admit he does like to chat a lot and often makes no sense but by banning him, we now get to enjoy it on a more personal level via pm :P

22:03:54 trinque: pete_dushenski: "bitcoin is bitcoin" has no tactical content

22:03:55 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the stupid ones. the govs intent on slitting their own throats, sure.

22:03:59 trinque: of course bitcoin is bitcoin

22:04:03 trinque: and water is water

22:04:19 pete_dushenski: bitcoin, tmsr~

22:04:21 trinque: what's done with either, who owns it, is the meat

22:04:49 asciilifeform: jurov: you could rate him and he could then speak, no ?

22:04:55 jurov: asciilifeform yes that's what i'm asking.

22:05:09 jurov: now it's answered

22:05:14 asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, he isn't even in the new wot

22:06:10 cazalla: channel ban list is there for all to see anyway so why ask me

22:06:29 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: usg is correctly leveraging its only strengths - subterfuge, on captive audiences, backed by threat of brute force

22:06:59 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: so let's do the math.

22:07:22 pete_dushenski: let's say that these things are hashing at even 1 gh/s

22:07:49 pete_dushenski: and that they manage to deploy 10 mn units within 12 months from today.

22:07:50 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: let's imagine that the only participating firm is comcast

22:08:06 pete_dushenski: ok.

22:08:13 pete_dushenski: does that change the 10 mn figure ?

22:08:25 asciilifeform: according to 'bloomberg', 22 mil. as of feb '15

22:08:35 asciilifeform: and that's -subscribers-

22:08:38 asciilifeform: many have >1 box

22:08:56 pete_dushenski: ok, so half of all subscribers in first year, one box per. aggressive but let's try it out.

22:09:07 asciilifeform: (modem, multiple tv tuner boxen, etc)

22:09:12 asciilifeform: ok

22:09:33 pete_dushenski: so by this time in 2016 the usg has 10 mn gh/s at its disposal.

22:09:39 trinque: no.

22:09:40 pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats

22:09:43 gribble: Current Blocks: 356304 | Current Difficulty: 4.7643398017803444E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 527 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48563574149.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.93138

22:09:50 trinque: they have that plus every computer they already had at their disposal

22:09:51 asciilifeform: why half? they upgrade codecs, 'new signal is not compatible,' want cable - gotta accept (phree!!111!!) new box.

22:09:53 asciilifeform: 100%.

22:10:11 asciilifeform: and they can do this as often as they want

22:10:15 pete_dushenski: ;;nethash

22:10:15 gribble: 366925659.104

22:10:15 asciilifeform: and who said just 1 chip per box

22:10:22 asciilifeform: why not 20

22:10:29 asciilifeform: it's claiming 0.22watt/GH

22:10:38 asciilifeform: what, can't add 5W to box ?

22:10:43 asciilifeform: customers will quit tv?

22:11:17 asciilifeform: i can even see the cable becoming 'phreee'

22:11:17 trinque: who will claim the NSA doesn't already have a metric shitload of potential hashing power to apply to this problem?

22:11:25 trinque: the consumer product could just be cover for it

22:11:27 asciilifeform: trinque: the elegance is that nothing is kept secret

22:11:33 trinque: well what I'm saying is they do both

22:11:34 asciilifeform: there are no shadowy factories

22:11:38 pete_dushenski: best usb miner i recall was, what, 3 gh/s, maybe 5 gh/s

22:11:52 trinque: asciilifeform: sure "oh this is all from those newfangled crypto boxes"

22:12:08 pete_dushenski: so ok let's go with 20 gh/s per box, just for shits and giggles.

22:12:13 trinque: and they start using their SSL chewing boxes, or what have you

22:12:32 asciilifeform: trinque: it'll be a great 'hash laundry' yes

22:12:37 trinque: the idea that the whole USG is the decrepit post office is laughable

22:12:40 pete_dushenski: then we're at 200 mn gh/s in a year from now.

22:12:48 asciilifeform: trinque: i said precisely this, in '13

22:13:18 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: and what other player will catch up with this, do you suppose, and how ?

22:13:18 trinque: people would like it to be so

22:13:24 trinque: better if goliath has bad knees or whatever

22:13:39 trinque: as people would like their declarations alone to move reality

22:13:45 pete_dushenski: let's say hashrate increases 3-fold in next 12 months and we see that 200 mn gh/s is...

22:13:58 pete_dushenski: ;;calc 366*3/200

22:13:58 gribble: 5.49

22:13:59 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what is the basis for this prediction ?

22:14:01 trinque: it's worth noting that anyone making declarations that come true is using his *power* to make them so

22:14:05 trinque: not his magic words

22:14:13 pete_dushenski: ;;calc 1/5.49*100

22:14:13 gribble: 18.2149362477

22:14:23 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i meant, for the prediction of increase

22:14:32 pete_dushenski: so the usg'd have 18% in this scenario.

22:14:51 danielpbarron: can't it only end up benefitting bitcoin to have more hashing power? (regardless of who is adding it?)

22:15:06 trinque: danielpbarron: not if it's all remotely diddlable

22:15:21 danielpbarron: what is to diddle? is block valid or isn't it?

22:15:23 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: basis is 1/10 of increase of 2014. seems reasonable to me.

22:15:24 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: not if 51%, or 51% with a few helpers, or if all put to gavincoin, or, or..

22:15:42 danielpbarron: who cares if put to gavincoin; I won't buy them

22:17:15 asciilifeform: price will be waterfalled up

22:17:26 asciilifeform: possibly even pegged to usd.

22:17:30 danielpbarron: doesn't that ultimately help bitcoin too?

22:17:36 asciilifeform: whether one cares - is a matter of taste

22:17:45 asciilifeform: but let's suppose the conscript miners are for proper btc

22:17:48 danielpbarron: USG would have to further inflate the dollar to do that

22:17:52 asciilifeform: the buggers get a seat at the table

22:18:07 trinque: "victory is inevitable" is what you tell the soldiers, sure

22:18:08 asciilifeform: see mircea_popescu's essay about 'they are fine with being late to parties, they know they can steal the cake whenever'

22:18:09 pete_dushenski: in any event, if the usg ends up with 18% of hashrate, albeit briefly, and throwing the kitchen sink at the the thing in the process, it would be about time they did something so productive.

22:18:16 trinque: that is not how generals speak to each other

22:18:37 danielpbarron: i thought the point of that essay was that bitcoin is the grand exception -- the cake that can't be taken

22:19:14 asciilifeform: a good 1/3 of the cake is still sitting on the table

22:19:41 pete_dushenski: and there's 7 billion mouths who want a bite.

22:19:52 danielpbarron: i don't have a problem with USG getting 1/3 of all the bitcoin; the can only spend it once

22:19:52 trinque: of vastly varying sizes

22:19:53 pete_dushenski: let em fight it out.

22:19:53 asciilifeform: only a few mouths with teeth

22:19:58 trinque: ^

22:20:20 pete_dushenski: each has 3 teeth, do they share them to make a bigger bite ?

22:20:29 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu will probably suggest that cn, ru, etc. will follow suit with -their- tv boxes

22:20:45 jurov: asciilifeform: and where usg gets the extra terawatt?

22:20:53 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: and would he be wrong ?

22:20:58 jurov: (10mn appliances *100 watt)

22:20:59 asciilifeform: jurov: from tv junkies

22:21:08 asciilifeform: who get it from same place as before

22:21:25 jurov: but i keep hearing how the grid is in shabby condition

22:21:30 asciilifeform: (usa is not pegged for generating capacity, though grid is a little strained)

22:21:37 danielpbarron: the tv box miner must operate at a net loss (i get it the chump bears that cost, but eventually the wealth runs out ie: chump runs out of money)

22:21:54 pete_dushenski: all i know is that '21 inc' sure as fuck isn't disrupting my sleep ad libitum.

22:21:58 asciilifeform: shabby condition of transmission lines. but the 5-10W pales in comparison to the seasonal cycle when the ac units switch on

22:22:04 asciilifeform: and each house eats an extra 5-10kW

22:22:25 jurov: actually is the 100W heat needs to be A/C'd out, it may end up 300-400watt per one box!

22:22:26 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: not suggesting that 'something is to be done111!!!111!1' about this

22:22:40 asciilifeform: but i find it interesting that the buggers read the log and eventually learn something

22:22:57 pete_dushenski: except "better late than never" isn't in this case.

22:23:06 asciilifeform: let's suppose 'everyone' - ru, cn - participates. and supposing the 'race is to the swift' - who leads?

22:23:40 danielpbarron: 51% attack is the most credible threat, and even then they can't FIATize bitcoin (they can't break the rules)

22:23:56 asciilifeform: jurov: if they're very creative, they'll have it rolled in with the 'tax-deductible' photovoltaic panel thing

22:24:13 pete_dushenski: showing up to the train station when the steam engine is but a distant memory and the caboose is over the horizon, with no other train on the schedule, means you either start building your own train (blockchain teckmologee) or you stfu and go back to working the land.

22:24:15 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: doublespend isn't 'fiatization' ?

22:24:33 trinque: lol working the land

22:24:54 danielpbarron: who would accept a transaction from USG ? and why should I feel sorry for them?

22:25:03 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i'm trying to understand your counter here. is it that usg pocketing the last 1/3 of btc is not annoying? or that double-spends are not a problem ? or... what ?

22:25:09 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: who leads ? i dunno. doesn't israel have some chip fab facilities ? other than that, china.

22:25:13 trinque: I understand why people would want to think of the US as this fat, incapable beast that happened as some fluke

22:25:25 trinque: feels good, gives them what they deserve or whatever

22:25:41 asciilifeform: trinque: it is simply the largest slave empire in history. sorta like egypt, or inca, with nukes.

22:25:41 jurov: asciilifeform: either your estimate expects 100W per household, or usd is not getting any significant poiece of cake

22:25:51 asciilifeform: jurov: why 100W ?

22:25:57 jurov: 20 chips

22:26:09 pete_dushenski: ;;calc 0.18*7000000

22:26:10 gribble: 1260000

22:26:21 trinque: asciilifeform: this is practically the salvation myth

22:26:34 trinque: bitcoin's here so we can just wait on our salvation

22:26:38 trinque: I don't buy it for a second.

22:26:51 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: my counter is that calc ^. so within 100 years, usg is as deadly as pirate or karpeles !

22:26:55 asciilifeform: trinque: 'you will wait for the bus for a very long time if you are the driver'

22:27:02 trinque: yeah

22:27:31 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: within 100 years, we will -all- be as deadly as pirate...

22:27:49 pete_dushenski: lol right.

22:28:03 danielpbarron: his name is trendon shavers

22:28:19 mircea_popescu: so this stunner chick is working in a clothes shop. one day a guy comes in, goes straight for her,

22:28:29 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: well, his slave name...

22:28:32 mircea_popescu: takes his cock out and asks "you got something to match this ?"

22:28:44 mircea_popescu: "i'm sorry, we only do adult sizes here."

22:29:50 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: another problem with the "oh noes usg" card is that, as you well know, it's not monolithic. the infighting over any coins it gets its hands on will be considerable. and divisive.

22:31:03 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i don't work with 'oh noez', but i like testable hypotheses

22:31:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130812 << damned straight. lazy, stupid dudes from africa should not get a salary, college degrees and free housing on the grounds that they're black.

22:31:21 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 19:16:48; lobbes: 'There’s a fairness issue involved here.' << there's that 'fair' trope again

22:32:55 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130829 << to putin!

22:32:55 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:07:27; jurov: to cry, or to laugh?

22:33:22 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: here's the test : within 12 months (or 12 years ?), the 'usg' will be unable to double-spend a bitcoin transaction.

22:34:06 jurov: asciilifeform: sry, my calculation is broken, it is 5W per 20 chips. but with the a/c and other overhead, can still be several times more

22:35:22 asciilifeform: jurov: so chumper pays more. as he did when he had a crt instead of lcd, etc

22:35:37 kakobrekla: there is always a chance for double spend, just a matter of how deep

22:35:44 jurov: i was asking about a grid, not about chumper

22:35:48 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski how do you imagine you test that ?

22:35:50 asciilifeform: speaking of which, there's a fella on 'ebay' claiming to sell new, virginal sony 21" trinitrons.

22:35:54 mircea_popescu: i can make a doublespend right now, what's to keep me ?!

22:36:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130840 << no it's not!

22:36:44 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:25:33; Naphex: that kindly asking for stuff is so weka

22:36:49 asciilifeform: jurov: grid isn't pegged. not by a long shot. think of the whole affair as usg imposing a (comparatively, tiny) tax on its subjects with which to buy hash.

22:36:50 jurov: btw, large lcd eats easily more than classic crt

22:36:59 asciilifeform: jurov: of same size?!

22:37:06 jurov: who buys same size???

22:37:40 asciilifeform: i've yet to meet a 100-200W lcd

22:37:42 asciilifeform: of whatever size

22:37:59 asciilifeform: (my 4 panels together eat about 100.)

22:38:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130859 << iirc i banned him.

22:38:18 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:54:52; kakobrekla: i don't see a reason why not.

22:38:29 kakobrekla: weirdo.

22:38:34 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ok, then obtaining confirmations for said double-spend transaction ?

22:38:39 mircea_popescu: kay, lemme figure out how to undo this

22:39:10 mircea_popescu: !up SWARMsecret

22:39:10 asciilifeform: !up SWARMsecret

22:39:18 kakobrekla: lel

22:39:38 SWARMsecret: zomg

22:39:43 danielpbarron: heh, it worked!

22:40:02 danielpbarron: i posted a link to chat through an "anonymous" twitter account named SWARMsecret

22:40:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116300 @ 0.00026986 = 31.3847 BTC [+] {2}

22:40:38 SWARMsecret: the interwebs is a crazy place

22:40:50 kakobrekla: my 5 panels eat about 200w it seems

22:42:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130870 << how ?

22:42:19 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:27:38; asciilifeform: re: l0ltr0n1cs: today i found out that ed felten (formerly 'freedom to tinker' blog, lawsuits against riaa, etc.) has been a usg stooge for several years now.

22:42:48 mircea_popescu: oh for crying out loud.

22:43:18 mircea_popescu: does usg-effective mean "bitcoin needs a decision making process which a) doesn't include mp as we've been pretending was the case all along and b) overrepresents us, as we've idem" ?

22:43:20 mircea_popescu: fucktards.

22:43:49 asciilifeform: https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/05/11/white-house-names-dr-ed-felten-deputy-us-chief-technology-officer << this

22:43:50 assbot: The White House Names Dr. Ed Felten as Deputy U.S. Chief Technology Officer | The White House ... ( http://bit.ly/1K73yJi )

22:43:57 asciilifeform: and before, similar position also there

22:46:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137500 @ 0.00026896 = 36.982 BTC [-]

22:46:42 mircea_popescu: aha

22:47:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/freedom-to-tinker-derp.png

22:47:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bQDiE2 )

22:47:50 mircea_popescu: let's pretend nothing exists because marginal observations by 60s feminists.

22:47:51 asciilifeform: i bet he doesn't even read it today

22:47:55 mircea_popescu: the gall.

22:47:57 asciilifeform: (felten, that is)

22:48:01 mircea_popescu: i care what he reads like i care what chickens eat.

22:48:01 asciilifeform: he certainly doesn't write it

22:48:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could just as well throw the comment to the chickens then

22:48:23 mircea_popescu: no.

22:48:38 mircea_popescu: dja know what stalin's representative told the romanian peace delegation after the war ?

22:48:49 asciilifeform: ?

22:48:50 mircea_popescu: "where the fuck is the comment!"

22:49:58 mircea_popescu: it's not like, oh, i need something from him. i don't. he needs shit from me, in the future, and he won't get it, and the reason is exactly right here.

22:50:03 mircea_popescu: he can sort it out for himself.

22:50:29 asciilifeform: what is it that he will need ?

22:50:44 mircea_popescu: well, the romanians needed a peace that didn't consist of rape.

22:50:48 mircea_popescu: he will presumably need the same.

22:50:53 mircea_popescu: it's what the defeated side usually needs.

22:52:00 scoopbot_revived: Four Australians Among 21 Arrested For Firearm Purchases http://qntra.net/2015/05/four-australians-among-21-arrested-for-firearm-purchases/

22:53:01 asciilifeform: l0l, au doesn't xray at customs or post office ?

22:53:37 asciilifeform: it is well-known that usg does. and that no such item makes it out of usa via the post unless usg wills it.

22:53:38 cazalla: not when they're the ones sending them

22:53:41 asciilifeform: ^

22:54:30 mircea_popescu: heh

22:56:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently there's no russian note of this, at least on the web i see, but anyway : when patrascanu & co went to moscow to try and work out an armistice, molotov broke the drone with a very pointed "ce ati cautat la stalingrad ?"

22:56:22 mircea_popescu: ie, da fuck were you doing at stalingrad.

22:57:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144150 @ 0.00027116 = 39.0877 BTC [+] {2}

22:59:31 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i am still curious re: your hypothesis. was it that usg will not claim the remaining unmined btc, or that it doing so is uninteresting to us ?

23:03:33 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: hm i guess my hypothesis is that usg won't claim enough of remaining unmined btc to throw a wrench in the individual sovereignty of those in #b-a.

23:03:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/u7MgpbF.png << ripped out of google bookturd

23:03:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K74z4a )

23:04:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 296000 @ 0.00026808 = 79.3517 BTC [-] {3}

23:05:01 danielpbarron: http://trulyscummy.tumblr.com/post/113137290948/why-i-stopped-being-a-tucute-and-started-being-a >> i was so brainwashed i though i was a piece of trash for being a trans male. i thought i was a "demi-poly-sexual, grey-gyno-romantic, self-diagnosed autistic felinekin". i actually thought this to be true.

23:05:02 assbot: truscum ... ( http://bit.ly/1K74BJt )

23:05:07 pete_dushenski: !up wao

23:05:13 wao: wut

23:05:15 wao: why me?

23:05:26 wao: but thanks anyway

23:05:26 wao: )

23:05:35 pete_dushenski: wao: because you're here!

23:06:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aside the fact that deletant is pretty much a color revolutions expert in history rewriting, sure.

23:07:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these usually specialize in selective quotation, rather than wholesale confabulation - but devil only knows.

23:07:33 mircea_popescu: he insultingly missed out the exact quote.

23:13:54 pete_dushenski: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-watch-basically-hacker-proof-202725548.html << lulz. article goes on to mention all the ways apple watch isn't and couldn't be 'hacker proof'

23:13:55 assbot: The Apple Watch is basically hacker proof - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1bQH0xG )

23:13:59 pete_dushenski: who writes these headlines ?

23:14:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61520 @ 0.0002676 = 16.4628 BTC [-]

23:14:20 pete_dushenski: "And for the love of technology, please set up a strong passcode." << what strong 4-digit passcode ?

23:14:27 mircea_popescu: 1337

23:14:31 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it's a remote for 'iPnohe'

23:14:36 asciilifeform: so what is the discussion even about.

23:14:55 asciilifeform: somehow 'old wine' gets to be discussion-worthy again because of 'new bottle' ?

23:15:15 trinque: that article got paid for

23:15:18 danielpbarron: iPhone can be reprogramed to use a longer password

23:15:23 trinque: not even news; it's an ad

23:15:39 asciilifeform: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-rich-mastered-the-art-of-investing-190205874.html << who paid for that one

23:15:42 assbot: Despite record $180M Picasso, art market no bubble - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1bQHgMZ )

23:15:53 pete_dushenski: picasso duh.

23:16:21 mircea_popescu: lo

23:16:28 trinque: probably wherever it was auctioned

23:16:38 asciilifeform: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/will-regulators-sideline-stock-trading-games-based-on-fantasy-sports-173714590.html << from same rag - fictional stock exchanges also 'regulated'

23:16:39 assbot: Will regulators sideline fantasy stock-trading games? - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1K75em7 )

23:19:00 asciilifeform: usg claims ownership of the sun, moon, stars. orders the sea whipped. news at eleven.

23:19:36 asciilifeform: wake me up when the sea stops screaming when they whip it.

23:19:43 mircea_popescu: lol

23:20:56 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: what's your take on 21 and their race to toasterise mining ?

23:21:02 trinque: http://digiday.com/publishers/business-insiders-curious-disclosures/

23:21:03 assbot: Why Business Insider lets its reporters fly on sources' dimes - Digiday ... ( http://bit.ly/1bQI0lm )

23:21:06 trinque: business insider is a shitty rag

23:21:09 mircea_popescu: tis in the logs!

23:21:20 trinque: as is the whole category of such "news" outlets

23:21:38 trinque: the marketing side bleeds into the content side if there ever was such a distinction in the first place

23:24:46 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: into the depths i go.

23:25:47 trinque: doublelol @ https://advertising.yahoo.com/Blog/INTRODUCING-YAHOO-RECOMMENDS.html

23:25:49 assbot: A New Monetization Solution: Yahoo Recommends - Yahoo Advertising ... ( http://bit.ly/1K75Nwp )

23:34:54 asciilifeform: in unrelated but pleasant news, i just unwrapped a beautiful edition of john strong's 'procedures in experimental physics' (1938)

23:35:32 asciilifeform: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5870004-procedures-in-experimental-physics

23:35:32 assbot: Procedures in Experimental Physics by John Strong — Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1K76vJR )

23:36:14 asciilifeform: https://archive.org/details/proceduresinexpe00stro << apparently, the whole thing!

23:36:16 assbot: Procedures in experimental physics : Strong, John Donovan : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1K76vtz )

23:36:21 asciilifeform: ^^^^ l337 w4r3z!!111!!

23:37:22 asciilifeform: no one should be surprised at the length of the section devoted to glass. in that period, folks were expected to do 100% own glass.

23:37:32 mircea_popescu: 30s ? fo sho.

23:37:40 mircea_popescu: the bash of the time

23:37:43 asciilifeform: then we got 'pyrex'

23:37:56 asciilifeform: and you need an oxygenated flame for pyrex

23:38:06 asciilifeform: now, pyrex is apparently going extinct on account of crapflation

23:38:20 asciilifeform: for this and other reasons - not a bad time to learn glass.

23:38:24 asciilifeform: (among other skills)

23:40:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124450 @ 0.00027157 = 33.7969 BTC [+]

23:44:04 cazalla: my missus is not too bad with that, has been doing lampworking for like a decade

23:46:47 cazalla: i'd rather move her kilns and tanks into the garage and turn that room into a computing space tbh though lol

23:48:40 asciilifeform: cazalla: lamps as in neon ?

23:49:13 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1050348 << not quite 2013 logs, but i'll take it.

23:49:13 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 19:27:50; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050103 << don't be ridiculous. for one thing, commodizing asic mining is a larger task than commodizing cpu arch. for the other, they're a fucking sv corp, they're not going to DO ANYTHING. just sit around and talk about shit. preferably at "conferences", or else "liveblog" it.

23:49:25 cazalla: nah as in beads, paperweights, blown etc

23:49:26 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050103

23:49:26 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 12:22:05; *: Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu

23:50:32 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127543

23:50:32 assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 23:16:02; mircea_popescu: toaster is kinda dumb, but ceramic tiles for warm floor is worth doing.

23:51:13 pete_dushenski: ah yes, the tileable mining floor

23:52:22 pete_dushenski: 21 will still plunk their chips in vcr's because of install costs for customer

23:52:31 pete_dushenski: new floor would be price-y

23:52:46 pete_dushenski: new gadget or gizmo ? easy peasy.

23:54:24 BingoBoingo: With the power consumption of most cable boxes an extra 20-40 watts would probably go unnoticed by consumer

23:54:41 asciilifeform: and if he notices - then what? idiots will quit tv ?

23:54:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90250 @ 0.00027205 = 24.5525 BTC [+] {2}

23:55:59 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, bitches on facebook. Wonders what could have went wrong.

23:56:38 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they didn't do their homework at all. they're a very easy target for the "eco" lobby, and will be murdered as they can't afford to pay those leeches.

23:56:42 asciilifeform: these folks fill the holy trifecta of 1) won't notice 2) if notices, won't care 3) if cares, impotent to do anything

23:57:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not if they spin it as 'out coin is donated to offset carbon credits for mother gaia' or whatnot

23:57:31 mircea_popescu: but whatever, i'm not here to provide strategic consultancy for free to "the titans of sv". fuck them sideways, they can go hire harlan ellison to do that.

23:57:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, even then.

23:57:51 mircea_popescu: whatever, they want consultancy, they can court me like any other whore.

23:58:49 asciilifeform: 'eco lobby' is a usg tentacle like any other.

23:58:56 trinque: any consumer product derpage would just be cover for turning on whatever computing power the NSA has at its disposal