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00:00:11 []bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "BTC worth over $5000 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/716/ Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 35(Y):65(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.30076814 BTC. Current weight: 54,089.

00:00:40 mike_c: fwiw, they seem to have better management than neobee

00:00:42 *: mircea_popescu sings .. i'm the king of the repartee, the asshole vip...

00:00:48 mike_c: but that is saying very little

00:00:52 mircea_popescu: mike_c sure. hence the slow motion.

00:00:59 mike_c: yeah

00:01:24 mircea_popescu: i don't even recall, did they publish their total processed / gross fees for q1 ? 2013 ? anything ?

00:01:30 davout: well maybe the reason for taking investment is not that they're unprofitable, but that they need it to grow faster, am i missing something obvious to discrimnate between those two?

00:01:31 mike_c: what about acquisitions? that is a common exit path and could make money for fiat investors.

00:01:34 mircea_popescu: i know they keep derping about how merchants went from 4k to 40k, but... w/e

00:01:46 mircea_popescu: davout yes, the neobee connection

00:01:58 mircea_popescu: mike_c private acquisition is also scam.

00:02:02 mike_c: davout: point is they aren't cash-flow positive, so they can't be socking away a pile of btc.

00:02:15 mircea_popescu: for that matter, in no acquihire do the investors see a dime

00:02:32 mike_c: no acquihire, sure. but there are profitable acquisitions (for the acquiree)

00:02:36 davout: mike_c: they published the figures?

00:02:53 mircea_popescu: mike_c they're rare.

00:03:11 mike_c: davout: they are spending more than they make. this is why they need investment. be it for growth, does not matter. they are still spending more then they make.

00:03:41 mike_c: mircea_popescu: see whatsapp

00:03:42 davout: mike_c: yeah, i understand "cash-flow negative" :D

00:03:53 mircea_popescu: the best construction for btc value conservation is if their management is good enough to copy s.mg, and basically they just take the investment turn it to btc and wait

00:03:59 mircea_popescu: this we know they're not doing.

00:04:01 BingoBoingo: First they call MP a pornographer, then they call him a scammer, later the ignore him... Next they call MP a witch?

00:04:03 davout: the question i'm asking is "how do you know?"

00:04:26 mike_c: because they keep taking investments. you don't sell pieces of your company for money you don't need.

00:04:42 mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah ok, sure. facebook is paying 20bn for bitpay because gallipi & his sister gave zuck such good rusty trombones.

00:05:01 davout: mike_c: makes sense, ty!

00:05:09 mircea_popescu: lol on 5th pass

00:05:19 TheNewDeal: this is going horrible. Just tossed some chicken on the stove and now I have to take a shit. Running around the kitchen trying to hold everything in before I can flip

00:05:31 mircea_popescu: be sure to take the time to type

00:05:46 TheNewDeal: need something to concentrate on. refuse to flip chicken early

00:06:13 mircea_popescu: do you know what peristalsis means ?

00:06:42 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo shouldn't it be wizard ?

00:06:45 mircea_popescu: i'm not a woman

00:06:58 fluffypony: bed time, yo

00:07:01 fluffypony: night all

00:07:04 mircea_popescu: later

00:07:37 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But they refuse to acknowledge that as well

00:08:12 davout: aren't there legitimate cases where companies need to raise repeatedly because their current positive cash-flow is not sufficient to address the market as it could be addressed?

00:08:16 mircea_popescu: hm i guess you're right

00:08:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00082963 = 25.5526 BTC [+] {2}

00:08:32 mircea_popescu: davout in theory.

00:08:39 davout: i guess not for bitpay

00:08:50 davout: you don't need 10x more engineers to process 10x more payments

00:08:52 mircea_popescu: once they start laying down rail track and optic fiber...

00:10:26 davout: i guess that's closer to what you were explaining initially

00:15:48 davout: just had a look at their "team" page

00:16:16 davout: 31 employees

00:16:28 davout: they must be burning quite some cash

00:17:15 nubbins`: ^

00:17:50 mircea_popescu: from what i hear this 30mn bought them a lease on life worth about a year.

00:18:38 kakobrekla: wheres the easiest to check btc price for june 2012

00:19:11 kakobrekla: o wait nvm

00:19:20 ThickAsThieves: i dunno, this concept of bitcoin services doing a NASDAQ/NYSE IPO, seems somehow naturally unlikely

00:19:25 midnightmagic: also, on that team page, manuel araoz builds software that attacks bitcoin

00:19:31 *: asciilifeform read log - floored

00:20:02 asciilifeform: S.FUSSA!

00:20:06 *: ThickAsThieves scrapes asciilifeform from the ground.

00:20:07 asciilifeform: ('former')

00:20:23 mircea_popescu: hm ?

00:20:39 BingoBoingo: Another problem with Bitpay is they have a habit of hiring "names" http://www.coindesk.com/elizabeth-ploshay-joins-bitpay/

00:20:39 assbot: Bitcoin Foundation Board Member Elizabeth Ploshay Joins BitPay

00:20:49 ThickAsThieves: oh geez...

00:20:52 davout: mircea_popescu: well, if you count $10k/month/person that's like 3.6mn/year in salary, that's not *that* much compared to what they raised, and they haven't been 30 for that long o a time i'd assume

00:21:04 ThickAsThieves: she did seem to be a decent little worker bee for btcf at the conference

00:21:11 midnightmagic: inb4 someone finds englund's rehire

00:21:19 ThickAsThieves: but i cant imagine what she;d offer bitpay

00:21:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2421 = 0.7263 BTC [-]

00:21:42 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Continued BTCFundnation goodwill...

00:21:42 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/ set to 2 years load raw data ?

00:21:43 assbot: Bitcoin Charts / Charts

00:21:50 dub: she seemed retarded in the 'election' interview

00:21:59 Apocalyptic: heh

00:22:17 mircea_popescu: <midnightmagic> inb4 someone finds englund's rehire << lol k/

00:22:18 nubbins`: ^^

00:22:18 kakobrekla: i found that rtbtc goes back enough

00:22:37 ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> ThickAsThieves: Continued BTCFundnation goodwill... /// isnt bitpay already a plutonium level supernode sponsor member?

00:22:45 mircea_popescu: lol

00:22:47 kakobrekla: also check this out, 2 years or derping

00:22:47 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.msg7279537#msg7279537

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00:22:50 kakobrekla: 60% loss

00:22:57 kakobrekla: if my maff is right.

00:23:03 mircea_popescu: lol

00:23:19 bloctoc: if bitpay takes 3 days to receive the fiat. That's a loan essentially in BTC to be repaid in USD. so, they're shorting btc and will always be shorting the bigger they get.

00:23:38 mircea_popescu: kinda

00:23:40 ThickAsThieves: meh

00:23:47 ThickAsThieves: a flimsy point

00:23:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: ad-hoc ir spectrometer discussion: no dice. not that you can't train, e.g. neural net to distinguish mdma from shoe polish - you can. but the objective of identifying synthesis byproducts (basement lab folks rarely bother with recrystallization) - this one takes actual brains.

00:24:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a toy.

00:24:41 ThickAsThieves: ascii, i finished anathem, thanks

00:24:46 asciilifeform: a toy that will hasten the owner's death, if used as theorized here

00:24:59 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: fun

00:25:04 mircea_popescu: the owner is already swallowing random dusts from strangers.

00:25:08 mircea_popescu: hard to hasten

00:25:18 asciilifeform: 'risk homeostasis'

00:26:19 mircea_popescu: <davout> mircea_popescu: well, if you count $10k/month/person that's like 3.6mn/year in salary, that's not *that* much compared to what they raised, and they haven't been 30 for that long o a time i'd assume << you know the donner party also wasn't as large before as it was at the point it starved to death.

00:26:31 ThickAsThieves: and to whomever recommended Antifragile, it was exactly the next book I was looking for, great so far

00:26:42 mircea_popescu: it is a great book

00:27:04 asciilifeform: so far my favourite taleb is that link mp posted earlier

00:27:07 ThickAsThieves: it puts into words concepts ive always kinda had theories about

00:28:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah this is an interesting point. people believe [because they're trained in school to believe and they never examine it ?] that the "proper" form is and they're at their best in book form

00:28:26 davout: mircea_popescu: donner?

00:28:37 mircea_popescu: whereas an uncombed, out of bed appearance like those notes is actually better according to the readers

00:28:42 mircea_popescu: which is kinda why blogs beat books.

00:28:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.24001 BTC [-]

00:29:00 mircea_popescu: davout some dudes, tried to traverse the utah salt marshes, died.

00:29:25 mircea_popescu: and this is perhaps the first time i used "dude" in its proper fucking sense in this chan. go me.

00:29:29 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014&bots=true#548272

00:29:30 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

00:29:39 asciilifeform: ^ earlier discussion of items like the taleb notes

00:29:56 davout: mircea_popescu: tried dictionary, should've tried wikipedia instead XD

00:30:01 mircea_popescu: i dare say the taleb notes and the gangue of great minds found at their burial are not the same

00:30:07 ThickAsThieves: thx

00:30:28 asciilifeform: quite true, not the same. which is why it's a crying shame gauss, etc. didn't get to print their notebooks while at their best

00:30:47 mircea_popescu: i wonder if taleb reads this line before he dies.

00:31:03 asciilifeform: doesn't much matter, he already 'did the right thing'

00:31:13 mircea_popescu: sure.

00:31:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.000831 = 44.3754 BTC [+] {2}

00:32:14 bloctoc: I don't wish to be pedantic, but the donner party did not just die, they ate each other.

00:32:19 ThickAsThieves: i'm totally ignorant of taleb other than gaining a familiarity of his name from you guys over the months

00:32:35 ThickAsThieves: he paints himself as disliked by his peers, is that the case?

00:32:38 mircea_popescu: "IPO - 6/12/12 Seat Price: $1.54 BTC Distributed: 0

00:32:38 mircea_popescu: Now - 6/12/14 Seat Price: $22.20 BTC Distributed: 0.056 BTC

00:32:39 mircea_popescu: Thanks everyone for the incredible amount of support on this project! I hope we're just getting started."

00:32:48 mircea_popescu: ahaha epic. EVERYONE MADE ROI HAND OVER FIST!!11

00:32:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.24001 = 0.72 BTC [-]

00:33:05 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he doesn't have peers.

00:33:12 ThickAsThieves: fair enough

00:33:13 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: taleb, as i understand, bet on us collapse, raked in the dough.

00:33:16 mircea_popescu: he's disliked by the people who imagine he's not their peer.

00:33:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.070706 = 0.1414 BTC [+]

00:33:56 ThickAsThieves: it seems odd to me, since so far his ideas make plenty sense

00:34:25 mircea_popescu: yeah, but his simple existence poses some very significant ontological problems to many folk in socialist academia

00:34:28 ThickAsThieves: but the human race never fails to find new ways to surprise and disappoint

00:35:23 ThickAsThieves: has he ever commented on bitcoin?

00:35:37 mircea_popescu: nothing substantial

00:35:47 mircea_popescu: but i'd love to have him in here.

00:35:57 davout: from what i understand of the black swan, his ideas pretty much destroy the rationales by which risk is managed in traditional finance

00:36:02 asciilifeform: afaik he never penetrated the 'bozo barrier field' that surrounds it

00:36:06 kakobrekla: ok, maff

00:36:06 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.msg7281538#msg7281538

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00:36:16 mircea_popescu: davout asa bonus he has a lenghty list of "i fucking told you so" for various people.

00:36:27 ThickAsThieves: kako haz a sock!

00:36:29 mircea_popescu: which is not only unpleasant but in many cases quite dangerous

00:36:42 davout: how is it dangerous?

00:36:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.070706 = 0.4242 BTC [+]

00:37:10 asciilifeform: good point, actually. anyone else find it interesting that the man still lives?

00:37:17 mircea_popescu: davout because to this day about half of the us bureaucracy is shielded by only the flimsy "nobody could have predicted"

00:37:23 mircea_popescu: it worked for rice by presidential decree

00:37:30 davout: asciilifeform: "afaik he never penetrated the 'bozo barrier field' that surrounds it" <<< haha, that's probably very true

00:37:32 ThickAsThieves: hehe i just read the part about he started weightlifting cuz he was worried for his safety

00:37:34 mircea_popescu: there's no certain reason for it to work for the entire finance bureaucracy

00:37:38 thestringpuller: !mpif

00:37:40 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021639 BTC (Total: 432.79 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]

00:37:53 mircea_popescu: and their political position is made more difficult by the presence of the millitant communists in the democrat party.

00:38:02 asciilifeform: i bet mr. t is cleaning ak as we speak

00:38:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt it. he's actually more expensive to kill than to ignore.

00:39:53 mthreat: taleb has tweeted about bitcoin twice: https://twitter.com/search?q=bitcoin%20from%3Anntaleb&src=typd

00:39:54 assbot: Twitter / Suche - bitcoin from:nntaleb

00:40:10 asciilifeform: ;;google Andrei Amalrik

00:40:11 gribble: Andrei Amalrik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Amalrik; ANDREI AMALRIK Part 1 - Stetson University: http://www.stetson.edu/~psteeves/classes/amalrik1.html; ANDREI AMALRIK WILL THE SOVIET UNION SURVIVE TO 1984: http://www.stetson.edu/~psteeves/classes/amalrik2.html

00:40:32 asciilifeform: ^ predicted the collapse of ussr, off by 1/2 decade

00:41:02 asciilifeform: died in suspicious accident.

00:42:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was he a chechen living in turkmenistan ?

00:42:20 asciilifeform: http://novaonline.nvcc.edu/eli/evans/his242/Notes/Amalrik.html

00:42:21 assbot: Andrei Amalrik Notes

00:45:03 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/11927081a4f9d472ea04992dd36e023c/tumblr_n5dkw5y7Zw1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg

00:46:10 ThickAsThieves: http://www.pfhub.com/steve-forbes-says-u-s-will-return-to-a-gold-standard-821/

00:46:11 assbot: Steve Forbes says U.S. will return to a gold standard

00:46:41 mircea_popescu: o.O

00:47:06 asciilifeform: tungsten standard.

00:47:46 mircea_popescu: eh total bs source

00:47:49 mircea_popescu: forbes didn't say that.

00:49:07 mircea_popescu: wait. he did ?!

00:49:18 ThickAsThieves: “Somebody can’t go and use a whole bunch of our patents but then sue us for using one of theirs,” Musk said “That seems like it wouldn’t be a very nice thing to do.”

00:50:30 mircea_popescu: apparently the guy is a total gold bug. the ever helpful tardopedia : " His 20 year tenure as head of Forbes magazine coincided with the decline of the publication and the Forbes family empire."

00:51:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00083144 = 42.9023 BTC [+] {3}

00:51:12 benkay: grammar question: "the time to <derp derp derp> is nigh if not upon us already" << y/n?

00:51:38 ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt accept it

00:52:01 benkay: grounds of?

00:52:14 ThickAsThieves: it's implied that you'd know when it was upon you, so surmising whether it may already be is only exposing a state of nigh

00:52:56 ThickAsThieves: the time is either nigh, now, or passed

00:53:03 benkay: lol no the implication is that knowing that a thing is upon one is a hard thing to figure

00:53:11 mircea_popescu: the time to <derp derp derp> is nigh, if not upon us already

00:53:36 dub: already upon us, surely

00:53:49 mircea_popescu: dub it's not globally warmed enough yet.

00:54:25 benkay: "surely nigh if not already upon us".

00:55:20 benkay: implying the thing impends and that i've my eye upon it.

00:55:26 benkay: huh i seem to like this word.

00:55:39 mircea_popescu: your eye impaled upon the impending ?

00:55:49 benkay: on it?

00:55:55 benkay: my gaze upon it

00:57:14 benkay: okay derailment over thanks gents

00:59:49 davout: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2014#716003 <<< curious about why

00:59:50 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

01:00:41 ThickAsThieves: cuz it'd draw more attention to his ideas?

01:01:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2546 @ 0.00083213 = 2.1186 BTC [+]

01:03:23 davout: ThickAsThieves: yeah, i was thinking like car accident or whatever way that wouldn't look suspicious

01:06:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00082807 = 18.2589 BTC [-] {2}

01:07:27 mircea_popescu: for one, things don't look suspicious for what they are, but for what they look

01:07:36 mircea_popescu: for the other, how do you know what he's stashed away ?

01:07:37 mircea_popescu: he'

01:07:40 mircea_popescu: s paranoid enough.

01:08:55 davout: i see

01:10:03 benkay: 30 employees, 30mn for 1 year of life...1mn/employee?

01:10:14 benkay: shit i gotta stop running businesses and start scamming vc's

01:17:40 mircea_popescu: benkay also known as moral hazard, this, and why someone's gotta put a stop to it

01:17:53 mircea_popescu: this is how the generation of your father failed.

01:18:03 bloctoc: benkay - plus marketing, rent, receivables (mentioned earlier) and plane tickets for CEO to find more money.

01:18:09 mircea_popescu: actually, failed isn't even the word. we need something strong like the french rate

01:18:50 bloctoc: is the french rate that ECB negative rate from a week or two ago?

01:19:26 ThickAsThieves: https://www.fairlay.com/predict/registered/new/from-silk-road-seized-bitcoins-will-be-sold-for-600-each/

01:19:26 assbot: Place prediction on: Bitcoins seized from Silk Road will be sold for > $600 each

01:19:32 mircea_popescu: s'ont rat?

01:19:54 Mats_cd03: lol

01:20:27 asciilifeform: 'fairlay' ?!

01:20:39 asciilifeform: 'durasell' for bitbet?

01:21:11 thestringpuller: what's durasell?

01:21:17 ThickAsThieves: duracell

01:21:20 mircea_popescu: one of.

01:21:20 ThickAsThieves: and energizer

01:21:22 asciilifeform: nope

01:21:25 benkay: no derpacel

01:21:39 asciilifeform: 'durasell' is a chinese battery (with correct colour scheme) sold at 'dollar stores'

01:21:40 mircea_popescu: sincerest form of flattery and all that.

01:21:44 asciilifeform: leaks in a few days

01:21:50 ThickAsThieves: ah

01:21:51 ThickAsThieves: hehe

01:22:05 ThickAsThieves: https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/12/17845712_f5aee6f731.jpg

01:22:37 asciilifeform: i'dave panicked but russian education (childhood scraping out gunk from leaked sov. batteries)

01:23:16 asciilifeform: i also once saw 'parasonic'

01:23:27 asciilifeform: there's probably a number of these.

01:28:16 benkay: into w

01:28:18 benkay: https://chain.com/

01:28:18 assbot: Bitcoin API - Chain

01:28:20 benkay: dorp, 'scuse me.

01:28:32 cazalla: tfw too poor to own a gameboy, somehow $2 brick from reject shop didn't fill the void

01:29:58 asciilifeform: cazalla: http://demotivators.to/media/posters/2921/387985_volk-s-yajtsami.jpg << 'soviet gameboy'

01:30:33 asciilifeform: (really wanna play? it's in various pnohe 'app stores' ! believe or not)

01:30:52 asciilifeform: http://img04.slando.ua/images_slandocomua/77316215_2_644x461_igra-elektronika-nu-pogodivolk-lovit-yaytsa-fotografii_rev007.jpg

01:32:07 cazalla: we had similar knock offs in australia, it was my grandmother who bought me brick when i wanted a gameboy with tetris and she tried to tell me it was the same thing

01:32:18 asciilifeform: what was 'brick' ?

01:32:34 asciilifeform: actual masonry ?

01:32:43 dub: lol

01:32:47 cazalla: similar to this http://northwaygames.com/wp-content/uploads/tetris.png

01:32:48 dub: I got a rock

01:33:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18722 @ 0.00083213 = 15.5791 BTC [+]

01:33:54 dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tIhwITwhSg

01:33:55 assbot: Charlie Brown: I got a rock - YouTube

01:34:21 mircea_popescu: you poor kids

01:34:44 asciilifeform: btw i never had the 'wolf & eggs.' too l33t. borrowed from kid next door.

01:35:33 asciilifeform: these gizmos were prized rarities.

01:35:56 dub: I got actual computers

01:36:27 asciilifeform: we did get an actual computer - 'iskra' - shortly before bailing

01:36:30 benkay: i never didn't have dsl

01:36:38 benkay: now guess how old i am

01:36:47 asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/I1030_11.jpg/300px-I1030_11.jpg

01:36:52 dub: the one console I recall using was the old pong game that plugged into a tv

01:37:22 asciilifeform: i still remember the shock of encountering widgets that resembled actual comp but weren't programmable.

01:37:24 asciilifeform: (tv consoles)

01:37:29 asciilifeform: said 'wtf'

01:37:32 dub: but around age 6 I had my book (yes book) of games and c64

01:37:43 asciilifeform: dub: had same, after coming to usa

01:37:43 ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell mike_c http://pastebin.com/qha386AV

01:37:43 assbot: How To Shave Altcoin! Er, Save Altcoin! - Pastebin.com

01:37:43 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:38:03 dub: no storage so you input the game in basic and had to do it again when your mom made you turn it off

01:38:38 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> btw i never had the 'wolf & eggs.' too l33t. borrowed from kid next door. << that kicked ass

01:41:11 asciilifeform: chain.com << 'i dontwanna use the blockchain, mitm me please'

01:41:29 kakobrekla: It is true that Bitcoin outperformed Nasty Mining. Bitcoin had an amazing 2 years of growth and was exposed to billions of people. However, funds invested in Nasty Mining were spent in USD on items that are valued in USD. In fact, pretty much everything is valued in USD (or your local fiat currency), which is why BTC is valued at the conversion rate at the time of transfer to any real organization. It only makes sense to value Nasty Mi

01:41:29 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:41:29 kakobrekla: USD when comparing it over time. The performance we've had is astounding, and just because it lags behind the performance of Bitcoin should not take away from that. We've still managed to outperform more than 99% of the other things you could have spent your BTC on. Silver for example was $28.50 on our IPO date and is $19.50 now, yet I don't see you trolling silver dealers on here.

01:43:47 ThickAsThieves: lol

01:43:58 mircea_popescu: <dub> but around age 6 I had my book (yes book) of games and c64 << i had one of those too

01:44:27 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

01:44:30 mircea_popescu: " The performance we've had is astounding, and just because it lags behind the performance of Bitcoin should not take away from that."

01:44:34 mircea_popescu: epic.

01:44:57 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/qha386AV << nice bots mod6

01:44:57 assbot: How To Shave Altcoin! Er, Save Altcoin! - Pastebin.com

01:46:03 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot unbalanced

01:46:04 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user unbalanced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=unbalanced | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=unbalanced | Rated since: never

01:46:14 mircea_popescu: ;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC fanboi.

01:46:15 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

01:46:18 mircea_popescu: !up unbalanced

01:46:23 mircea_popescu: srsly get in the wot will you.

01:46:52 unbalanced: Thanks, it's on my to do list.

01:47:00 mthreat: mircea_popescu: this c64 talk reminds me, the owner of krakow bar in san telmo is an oldschool c64 hacker from poland. http://www.krakow-cafe.com.ar/

01:47:01 assbot: Bares San Telmo | Krakow Bares en San Telmo | Bares Buenos Aires

01:47:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00083261 = 17.3599 BTC [+] {2}

01:47:30 mircea_popescu: prolly should have a drink with him then

01:47:50 mircea_popescu: course mine wasn't an actual c64, butmoar like a clone48

01:47:53 unbalanced: Got partway done months ago in one of my VMs, I'll have to dig it up. BingoBoingo's tutorial was a good help.

01:48:11 mthreat: actually i think he said c32, which i didn't even know existed

01:48:35 mthreat: he also corrected me when I said i'd seen a pic of him with an ak-47. apparently it wasn't an ak

01:49:02 asciilifeform: c32 << prob. vic-20

01:49:16 unbalanced: No Commodore32 but maybe the Amiga CD32: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_CD32

01:49:16 assbot: Amiga CD32 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

01:49:28 mircea_popescu: amiga ya

01:49:42 asciilifeform: amiga << nothing like c64. almost a real computer.

01:49:45 unbalanced: Vic-20, those were the days.

01:49:47 justusranvier: https://twitter.com/JustusRanvier/status/477251054250512384

01:49:48 assbot: Maidsafe and Mastercoin: The first crypto-coin Kickstarter was a wildly successful $7 million disaster. http://t.co/YllunlEBOZ

01:49:48 asciilifeform: sank the company, too

01:49:53 mircea_popescu: so im fishin' in rift an' shootin' da breeze in -assets. what better lyf is there.

01:49:56 asciilifeform: (not compatible with massive c64 cult install base)

01:50:16 diametric: so SR coins up for auction

01:50:23 diametric: soon anyway

01:50:41 diametric: should read scrollback, i'm assuming it was the topic for a while

01:50:42 mthreat: mircea_popescu: anyway his name is tomas, if you go by there

01:50:53 asciilifeform: diametric: yes

01:51:01 mircea_popescu: justusranvier so much lulz in there.

01:53:05 justusranvier: It doesn't look so good for the appcoin pumpers

01:54:29 mircea_popescu: for them, no.

01:54:41 mircea_popescu: We took advice from the US lawyers via BitAngels and also local lawyers in Scotland,

01:54:42 mircea_popescu: ajajaja

01:54:48 mircea_popescu: this is like textbook dumb.

01:54:57 asciilifeform: re: c64, obligatory jack tramiel: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/11/technology/jack-tramiel-a-pioneer-in-computers-dies-at-83.html

01:55:01 assbot: Jack Tramiel, a Pioneer in Computers, Dies at 83 - NYTimes.com

01:55:32 mircea_popescu: ?All issuers selling securities to the public must comply with the registration provisions of the securities laws, including issuers who seek to raise funds using Bitcoin,? said Andrew J. Ceresney, the SEC?s enforcement director in a press release. ?We will continue to focus on enforcing our rules and regulations as they apply to digital currencies.?

01:55:43 mircea_popescu: lawl. they do not apply, they never will apply.

01:57:23 mircea_popescu: Jacob Farber of Perkins Coie who advises Bit Angels wrote, ?It seems pretty clear that there was no intentional market manipulation. The question is whether there was an ?appearance of market manipulation?, or an ?unintended market manipulation?.? <<< it's pretty obvious that there was quite intentional, and quite fraudulent, market manipulation.

01:57:44 mircea_popescu: cause when you go "let's do this thing that'll make our worthless turd look valuable" that's what you're doing.

01:59:33 mircea_popescu: anyway, pretty good reporting from Kashmir Hill

02:02:02 justusranvier: DId you read the pastebin?

02:06:32 mircea_popescu: justusranvier the unbalanced one ? yua

02:08:14 justusranvier: To my untrained eye, it looks like certain people got a unhappy with DJohnston using their reputations without their consent, so they kicked him out of BitAngles into his own sandbox.

02:08:21 mircea_popescu: Many knowledgeable observers called the whole thing a success. Irvine?s team wound up with three million in BTC after all. Ryan Galt, an investor who blogs as Two-Bit Idiot, noted the ?pump-and-dump? that happened but said the number one takeaway was to make sure to get in early when a ?hot new coin-related startup announces a crowdsale.? ?You better be ready to buy the second it goes live,? he wrote.

02:08:23 mircea_popescu: heh.

02:08:40 justusranvier: What's sad is the number of Bitcoin startups that were taking advice from him.

02:08:47 mircea_popescu: "startups"

02:09:10 mircea_popescu: a collection of three idiots does not become a startup through their declaration to that effect, in my view.

02:09:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.070706 = 1.2727 BTC [+]

02:09:42 justusranvier: Anyway, a lot of businesses trying to get involved in Bitcoin got some bad advice from him. Some of them did ask around for second opinions though, and avoided that particular pitfall anyway.

02:09:49 mircea_popescu: byut anyway, the circus is the circus. this is why we call it the circus, this is why we despise it, this is what it does.

02:10:14 mircea_popescu: "vcs", "entrepreneurs", "consulting", "conferences", "startups", "deals", "investing" and so on and so forth till you're bored.

02:10:37 mircea_popescu: that's good then.

02:10:47 unbalanced: I was at the Bitcoin Hackathon in Toronto a couple of months back, and DJ was a judge.

02:10:56 mircea_popescu: people are incredibly arrogant, so a bunch of them getting hurt badly is good news.

02:11:37 unbalanced: I didn't win a top place... my stuff wasn't good enough but more importantly it seemed, not "decentralized" enough.

02:11:51 mircea_popescu: lol k

02:11:56 unbalanced: It took place right inside Ethereum HQ

02:11:57 mircea_popescu: listen,

02:12:33 unbalanced: By the time I left that conference I thought Bitcoin was a cult of decentralization. Decentralize all the things!

02:12:42 mircea_popescu: on one hand it's completely irrelevant who "judges" these things, just like the people running around begging perelman to take their "award" so they may say "o we gave perelman an award, please think we matter" are irrelevant to math

02:12:55 ThickAsThieves: the cult takes new forms over time

02:13:20 unbalanced: Agreed. I walked away from several folks when I began to get the cray-cray vibe.

02:13:22 justusranvier: I tried: http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/03/19/decentralized-applications-its-time-for-an-intervention/

02:13:23 assbot: Decentralized Applications: It's Time for an Intervention | Bitcoinism

02:13:33 mircea_popescu: on the other hand, what difference does it make anyway ? not like any human being at an accessible pay grade can judge your thing anyway.

02:14:19 unbalanced: I usually *give off* the cray-cray vibe when it comes to Bitcoin. Didn't expect people could outdo me for tech optimism.

02:14:43 mircea_popescu: just go to the hackathon as you go to the bar, not like you go to school. it's a social function.

02:15:19 mircea_popescu: i don't believe this crap is aptly described as optimism.

02:15:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00083208 = 26.0441 BTC [-] {3}

02:15:47 mircea_popescu: this is to the conference circuit roughly what porn is to legitimate acting : the place failures go to die.

02:16:20 mircea_popescu: if the people involved were smarter, they'd be selling detergent and used cars.

02:16:48 mircea_popescu: !up unbalanced

02:16:53 mircea_popescu: srsly get with that wot

02:18:22 mircea_popescu: justusranvier not bad.

02:18:47 unbalanced: Thanks I was turning blue. justusranvier, nicely done

02:18:55 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: If you did the GPG guide that's the hard part... registering with gribble doesn't hurt at all

02:19:33 unbalanced: Not sure if i can get to that VM from here. I'll take a stab.

02:22:23 mircea_popescu: why's your gpg in a vm anyway

02:22:27 unbalanced: But before I do, I agree MP, I didn't take not winning the hackathon badly, I only said my thing wasn't "good enough" because a) it wasn't all done in time and b) my math was less than accurate. Empirically not good enough for anyone to use.

02:22:47 mircea_popescu: well that's kinda how these thons work. not enough time really.

02:23:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25549 @ 0.00083163 = 21.2473 BTC [-]

02:23:43 mircea_popescu: justusranvier "Using the global public ledger that allows for multilateral decision making means that retaining financial privacy is, to put it lightly, problematic. It?s possible to achieve, but doing so is a difficult and delicate process where mistakes are easy to make and also permanent." i don't understand this part, at all.

02:23:43 unbalanced: I don't have a lot of hardware is why... at the time I was on a Windows machine using a Linux VM. Now I'm pure. Linux.

02:23:56 mircea_popescu: how is blockchain any less anon than cash ?

02:24:06 mircea_popescu: unbalanced oic

02:24:13 justusranvier: Because there are always sidechannels

02:24:20 justusranvier: And badly written clients

02:24:22 unbalanced: Carelessness + pattern recognition etc.

02:24:23 mircea_popescu: justusranvier so are there for cash.

02:24:35 mircea_popescu: talkative prostitutes and bills of sale

02:24:43 justusranvier: Cash doesn't have an eternal, publicly searchable ledger

02:24:50 mircea_popescu: according to whom ?

02:25:33 justusranvier: Is there a USDchain.info where anyone can view every transaction that ever occurred with a given bill?

02:25:40 mircea_popescu: all the cash that exists exists. by this it can be counted

02:25:41 mircea_popescu: there you go.

02:25:51 mircea_popescu: anyone capable of busting in can count your cash as well as you can

02:26:04 mircea_popescu: but you're not proposing the correct equivalence

02:26:07 justusranvier: Sure, but that can't traced its history

02:26:15 mircea_popescu: neither can bitcoin's.

02:26:35 justusranvier: In many cases, you can.

02:26:40 mircea_popescu: in many cases you can for cash too

02:26:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15151 @ 0.00082999 = 12.5752 BTC [-]

02:26:51 mircea_popescu: like, if you leave a fingerprint on a bill

02:27:07 mircea_popescu: or if you get caught with series-fixed bills after a bank robbery

02:27:09 mircea_popescu: or w/e

02:28:25 justusranvier: All of those approaches you mention for cash only operate on a subset of the "address space". Graph analysis of the blockchain can look at the entire data set, forever.

02:28:45 justusranvier: People skilled in that art can do a lot more, given the improved access to information

02:29:14 mircea_popescu: i doubt this is true.

02:29:27 mircea_popescu: because correspondingly, you are forced by cash to physical interaction

02:29:30 justusranvier: This isn't even a particularly good tool, and it breakes blockchain.info mixing: http://www.coinjoinsudoku.com/

02:29:32 assbot: CoinJoin Sudoku | Weaknesses in SharedCoin, and CoinJoin research.

02:29:37 mircea_popescu: there's little way to avoid it. not so with bitcoin

02:29:51 mircea_popescu: blockchain.info mixing is a joke. break bitbet mixing.

02:30:05 justusranvier: I'll suggest that

02:30:42 mircea_popescu: so you know, getting caught with cash in your possesion can be a forced mistake

02:30:51 mircea_popescu: getting caught with bitcoin can never be a forced mistake

02:34:16 mircea_popescu: anyway, the fact that bitcoin is not actually traceable, and all the sophistry of taint can at most produce persuasion is one of the largest points of pressure applied by bitcoin to human society. it may result in the "reasonable doubt" standard being taken out.

02:35:21 mircea_popescu: much in the way the internet has forced the brits into their first secret "trial", something they've not had in about 11 centuries.

02:35:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00083321 = 37.6611 BTC [+]

02:38:05 justusranvier: I think we will get privacy on the blockchain eventually.

02:38:38 justusranvier: Not until Bitcoin Core is dethroned as the monolopy full node implementation though

02:38:55 mircea_popescu: this boggles. what do you mean eventually ?

02:38:59 mircea_popescu: i have it right nwo. it's there.

02:39:34 mircea_popescu: anbd what throne lol. a bunch of redditards with ten bitcoin between them that keep downloading the power ranger code ?

02:39:39 justusranvier: It's there for people who are extremely careful and make no mistakes.

02:40:14 justusranvier: There are better ways of achieving privacy that aren't quite so fragile

02:40:48 mircea_popescu: so basically the idea is to make it more accessible ?

02:40:58 justusranvier: Basically

02:41:04 mircea_popescu: cause otherwise this discussion is exactlylike email privacy. i have all the email privacy i could want, because gpg

02:41:15 mircea_popescu: you're gonna tell me there's no privacy in email either ?

02:42:20 justusranvier: All the email privacy you could want? You must not want to have privacy regarding the fact that you're sending messages, nor the recipients of those messages.

02:42:41 justusranvier: Or subject lines

02:43:01 mircea_popescu: lol because why ?

02:43:25 mircea_popescu: an email can come from any arbitrary address you wish it to.

02:43:43 mircea_popescu: it can be read in transit by any party that wishes

02:46:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.03 = 0.15 BTC [+]

02:52:27 thestringpuller: !up chax

02:52:52 thestringpuller: ~_~

02:52:55 asciilifeform: !up unbalanced

02:56:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1000 @ 0.00030166 = 0.3017 BTC [+]

02:56:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have it right nwo. it's there << rewrote btcd?

02:57:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0707 = 0.1414 BTC [-]

02:57:19 asciilifeform: or - privacy. aha

02:58:13 mircea_popescu: privacee

02:58:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.03 = 0.18 BTC [+]

02:58:35 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i wonder what % of 4chan pics are steganographically loaded

02:58:44 asciilifeform: for dumb stego, easy to test.

02:58:44 mircea_popescu: as a sort of pastebin email thing

02:58:51 asciilifeform: one fellow came up with... 1 in 5

02:58:51 unbalanced: Thanks ascii.

02:59:00 mircea_popescu: anyone bored enough to run a little experiment ?

02:59:03 unbalanced: I remember now where I locked up months ago with GPG.

02:59:05 asciilifeform: (dumb stego --> generally low-order colour bits)

02:59:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup

02:59:36 *: asciilifeform once spent most of a year experimenting with image stego

03:00:38 asciilifeform: stego works best as 'part of a balanced diet' with proper crypto

03:00:44 unbalanced: I set it all up, using Seahorse... but I have to put a public key "out there" so people could encrypt messages to me.

03:00:57 mircea_popescu: happy friday the 13th btw

03:01:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1797 @ 0.00006225 = 0.1119 BTC [-] {2}

03:01:24 unbalanced: So I tried the "Sync and Publish Keys..." link on the "Remote" menu in Seahorse. And the warning message pops up:

03:02:12 unbalanced: "This will publish the keys in your key ring so they're available for others to use. You'll also get any changes others have made since you received their keys. 1 key is selected for synchronizing"

03:02:46 unbalanced: It does NOT say "This will publish the PUBLIC keys in your key ring..." so I thought, "F that!"

03:04:02 unbalanced: Am I to assume that's what this key management app means in that message? That only my PUBLIC key will be sent out?

03:04:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24195 @ 0.00083179 = 20.1252 BTC [-] {2}

03:04:23 unbalanced: I don't like to assume anything when it comes to crypto.

03:06:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23705 @ 0.00082781 = 19.6232 BTC [-]

03:10:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.outguess.org/detection.php << basic example

03:10:36 assbot: OutGuess - Steganography Detection

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03:12:57 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold" http://bitbet.us/bet/758/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.60773929 BTC. Current weight: 7,264.

03:13:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8640 @ 0.00083207 = 7.1891 BTC [+]

03:16:05 unbalanced: Got tips from teward in pm, thanks! Trying it now.

03:16:55 mircea_popescu: unbalanced i dunnowhat it does, never used it

03:17:00 mircea_popescu: you got no cli ?

03:17:13 mircea_popescu: !up teward

03:17:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22457 @ 0.00082657 = 18.5623 BTC [-] {3}

03:17:34 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust teward

03:17:35 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user teward: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=teward | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=teward | Rated since: Thu Jan 16 14:58:46 2014

03:17:42 mircea_popescu: hm, who're you teward ?

03:17:46 unbalanced: Followed BB's tutorial for noobs about 4mo ago and got halted at this point

03:18:07 teward: mircea_popescu: OTC operator, plus emergency op in #bitcoin, i started lurking here after seeing a +1 rating on someone for the purposes of trust tree to the bot

03:18:16 mircea_popescu: mkay.

03:18:17 teward: (OTC operator as in +o moderator in -otc)

03:18:22 mircea_popescu: ;;rate teward New blood.

03:18:22 gribble: Error: 'New' is not a valid integer.

03:18:25 mircea_popescu: ;;rate teward 1 New blood.

03:18:27 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user teward has been recorded.

03:18:30 unbalanced: Only using Seahorse because of user-friendliness for now. Though I might figure out git next and submit a patch to their pop-up message.

03:18:38 mircea_popescu: you can self voice now, pm assbot !up once you're id'd with gribble

03:18:50 teward: this +v can last 2 minutes, but Seahorse is the GUI for user-friendliness of GnuPG/PGP in Linux. :)

03:19:07 teward: i use it 100% of the time for pgp keyring management, and given I have 20 or so keys, well... :P

03:19:07 asciilifeform: cli gpg is friendly

03:19:21 asciilifeform: why the insistence on the rodent, i always wonder

03:19:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it can get gnarly if you manage a lot of keys

03:19:33 justusranvier: KGpg

03:19:59 teward: agreed, asciilifeform, to be honest, CLI is my native environment, I prefer managing my keys via CLI. I just use Seahorse for generating, the GUI has a tiny bit more entropy, and I generate only 4096-strength keys :)

03:20:28 asciilifeform: GUI has a tiny bit more entropy << ???

03:20:33 mircea_popescu: anyone remember usagi's long key generating business ?

03:20:55 asciilifeform: i hear they generate beautiful keys at ft meade

03:20:57 mircea_popescu: where he had found a tutorial on the net to make arbitrary length keys and was offering this as a sort of forum-level braindamaged saas ?

03:21:10 mircea_popescu: he was going to make and export a privkey for you

03:21:19 teward: asciilifeform: might be because something else is installed alongside seahorse for entropy generation, I dunno. CLI only took an hour for 4096-bit keys.

03:21:20 asciilifeform: (they should offer a pay service! i bet chumps would flood in)

03:21:56 asciilifeform: 'insist on NSA? quality!'

03:22:11 mircea_popescu: "Given all these downsides, it should be apparent that decentralization isn?t something to aspire to lightly. In fact, it may be better to say that decentralization as a design technique is best reserved as a last resort, only to be used when there are no other suitable alternatives."

03:22:17 mircea_popescu: justusranvier groks it.

03:22:29 mircea_popescu: that's exactly what it fucking is.

03:22:39 asciilifeform: random.gov

03:23:09 mircea_popescu: ".I want to see a future digital economy in which nobody is excluded from participation." "No third party should have the ability to interfere in the voluntary dealings of other people." << do you see these as logically equivalent ?

03:23:50 asciilifeform: !up unbalanced

03:24:26 justusranvier: Not equivalent. The latter is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for the former.

03:24:56 mircea_popescu: i don't see why anything more is needed or desirable than the latter.

03:25:30 asciilifeform: random.gov, a kindler, gentler key escrow. sorta like lotteries as a more 'humane' tax on the arithmetically-challenged

03:25:31 justusranvier: If no third party can interfere with the voluntary dealings of other people, then anyone who desires to participate can do so, providing only that they can find a trading partner willing to deal with them.

03:25:44 mircea_popescu: justusranvier well, more like, you know, rakim.

03:25:47 justusranvier: And that's a fine condition for particupation

03:25:49 mircea_popescu: actually, do you know rakim ?

03:25:53 justusranvier: No

03:26:23 mircea_popescu: http://f.kulfoto.com/pic/0001/0007/is7P56309.jpg

03:26:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12006 @ 0.00082542 = 9.91 BTC [-]

03:26:57 thestringpuller: I know Rakim!

03:27:03 justusranvier: I remember that now

03:27:06 thestringpuller: I meet him a lot.

03:27:08 mircea_popescu: i thought rakim was like the goatse guy

03:27:15 asciilifeform: seems like we've all met him

03:27:15 mircea_popescu: sorta universal meme

03:27:51 justusranvier: I believe I convered that possibility when I said "providing only that they can find a trading partner willing to deal with them."

03:27:52 mircea_popescu: anyway. it seems to me that adding anything to your latter turns the former into the latter's logical counter.

03:27:54 thestringpuller: You see Rakim wants what they call nigga technology.

03:27:58 thestringpuller: ;;ud nigga technology

03:27:59 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nigga+technology | Useless, pointless technology invented for the apparent purpose of prolonging a simple task beyond the length of time it should take. Nigga Technology is ...

03:28:17 thestringpuller: Nigga technology only does one thing.

03:28:19 thestringpuller: Let dumb niggas

03:28:22 thestringpuller: talk about dumb nigga shit

03:28:26 thestringpuller: to other dumb niggas.

03:28:40 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller eh come on

03:29:05 asciilifeform: ;;google naggum by mouse instead of by lever

03:29:06 gribble: Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165; Loper OS » Engelbart's Violin: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861; Worse is Better - Erik Naggum: http://naggum.no/worse-is-better.html

03:29:10 asciilifeform: damn.

03:31:12 mircea_popescu: If cheating can be easily detected and reversed, then maybe it?s no longer essential to prevent it at all costs and you can build it with a more palatable set of trade offs. << in fact, there's a reason business has since forever run on "eventually correct" bookkeeping

03:32:24 mircea_popescu: anyway, great blog, kinda shitty platform. mebbe pankkake adds it to teh irker

03:33:26 unbalanced: BingoBoingo, check yer email, I may or may not have sent you a secret message.

03:33:43 mircea_popescu: "Ever since the venture capital scene started talking about Bitcoin back in 2013, one of the most frequently cited comments from them is that Bitcoin is interesting for the technology, not the currency. In fact, this mantra has become so common that it almost sounds? scripted." << if you're curious as to the reason, it has to do with them not wanting to go under the yoke that's been awaiting patiently and quite unav

03:33:43 mircea_popescu: oidably since... 2012.

03:33:59 unbalanced: So secret I can't even remember what it may or may not have said, if it even exists.

03:34:30 mircea_popescu: actually nm, you get it exactly one paragraph down.

03:34:53 unbalanced: Next up, gribble, reading on.

03:36:26 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Recieved

03:36:41 unbalanced: Clarification, Bingo's posts led me to Geany for message signing, not to Seahorse. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/

03:36:41 assbot: Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo Blog

03:36:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 340 @ 0.0003016 = 0.1025 BTC [+] {2}

03:37:00 unbalanced: Or if one of these sent me to Seahorse months ago I don't see it now.

03:37:12 mircea_popescu: http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/06/11/bitcoin-is-sedition/ << doesn't this sound like i could have written it ?

03:37:13 assbot: Bitcoin Is Sedition | Bitcoinism

03:37:33 mircea_popescu: course if i had it'd not have linked all the darkcoin and "insurection" would have lead to something about the serenissima, but anyway

03:38:00 unbalanced: It's not clear to me exactly WTF I sync'd with in Seahorse or where I put my public key. Do you see it somewhere Bingo to send a return message I could try to read?

03:38:09 unbalanced: Oh you're way ahead of me.

03:38:20 unbalanced: That is, you may or may not be. Way ahead of me.

03:40:27 unbalanced: This just in, people... PKI works. That is all.

03:40:46 asciilifeform: lol

03:41:03 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Your pubkey was on sks-keyservers

03:41:50 unbalanced: Where else do the cool kids hang out?

03:41:54 BingoBoingo: The reason I didn't recommend Seahorse is it is a pain. Geany has a spell checker at least.

03:42:09 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Well, there's a bunch of other keyservers as well.

03:42:46 unbalanced: Right, this is all just text, it's just potentially a ton of really-hard-to-read text if you get it mixed up.

03:43:00 unbalanced: Like if you have 20 keys.

03:46:50 []bot: Bet created: "World Cup 2014: Germany to net more than 7 goals" http://bitbet.us/bet/938/

03:49:06 []bot: Bet created: "World Cup 2014: English to net more than 6 goals" http://bitbet.us/bet/939/

03:55:10 mircea_popescu: ;;ident unbalanced

03:55:10 gribble: Nick 'unbalanced', with hostmask 'unbalanced!~unbalance@', is not identified.

03:55:13 mircea_popescu: !up unbalanced

04:02:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00083458 = 32.1313 BTC [+] {3}

04:02:21 unbalanced: ;;ident unbalanced

04:02:22 gribble: Nick 'unbalanced', with hostmask 'unbalanced!~unbalance@', is identified as user 'unbalanced', with GPG key id 123147044A6CB0A8, key fingerprint 12549201BD884C99BE652155123147044A6CB0A8, and bitcoin address None

04:03:19 benkay: ;;later tell chax sorry i missed you

04:03:20 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:03:21 mircea_popescu: ;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC fanboi

04:03:23 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user unbalanced has been recorded.

04:03:29 benkay: ;;seen chax

04:03:29 gribble: I have not seen chax.

04:03:30 mircea_popescu: aren't you all spiffy nao

04:03:44 unbalanced: Ermahgerd I fell *up* the stairs. <beck>Things are gonna change, I can feel it.</beck>

04:03:51 benkay: if chax comes by razz him a bit for me, he's from chain.com

04:05:01 asciilifeform: 'We maintain a fleet of self-healing, auto-scaling Bitcoind nodes.' << will they chew your food for you, too ?

04:05:57 mircea_popescu: benkay aite

04:06:03 decimation: asciilifeform: i just got spammed by IEEE to join this group: http://rebootingcomputing.ieee.org/

04:06:05 assbot: IEEE Rebooting Computing

04:07:52 asciilifeform: decimation: mega-lol

04:07:55 decimation: also this: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-11/with-the-machine-hp-may-have-invented-a-new-kind-of-computer

04:07:55 assbot: With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek

04:08:17 asciilifeform: re: hp machine:

04:08:22 asciilifeform: ;;google orthogonal persistence

04:08:22 gribble: Persistence (computer science) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_(computer_science); CTO : Orthogonal Persistence - TUNES Project: http://tunes.org/wiki/orthogonal_20persistence.html; Orthogonal Persistence - Java Community Process: https://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=020

04:08:31 decimation: yeah the IEEE thing seems to be more academi-tardation. quantum neuro whatever buzzword

04:08:46 decimation: why can't folks simply "re-imagine" the legos they have in front of them?

04:08:48 asciilifeform: or, as described on my site,

04:08:48 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=231

04:08:49 assbot: Loper OS » Third Law of Sane Personal Computing

04:09:12 asciilifeform: note that the hardware aspect of this is trivially achievable today

04:09:25 asciilifeform: without exotic vlsi versions of magnetic core memory, at that.

04:09:41 decimation: indeed a static global address space that is persistant and usable would be a reasonable project

04:09:45 asciilifeform: but you gotta ditch post-1970 os crapola to take actual advantage.

04:10:07 asciilifeform: that means all of it.

04:10:37 unbalanced: While I still have voice...

04:10:39 decimation: but ascii, the article says that HP has experience with HP-UX and "non-stop"

04:10:39 unbalanced: ;;later tell moiety I salute your fine nation and its primary export: http://www.walkersshortbread.com/

04:10:40 assbot: Walkers Shortbread

04:10:40 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:10:55 unbalanced: There, this was all worth it.

04:10:55 asciilifeform: hp-ux is a bog-standard (archaic) unix

04:11:04 asciilifeform: !up unbalanced

04:11:29 decimation: pretty much all modern commercial OS's are on the BSD family tree somewhere

04:11:36 decimation: it's the original apple

04:11:53 mircea_popescu: unbalanced you can self voice now

04:11:58 mircea_popescu: pm assbot "!up"

04:12:02 asciilifeform: decimation: you must really think about this to understand the implications. a single-address space machine must... actually work. every time - because it can in no sense be rebooted.

04:12:19 asciilifeform: (no distinction between disk and memory)

04:12:35 decimation: the cache can be refreshed

04:12:47 decimation: but presumably the OS comes on an EPROM

04:12:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine rebooting = pulling memory out

04:13:17 asciilifeform: it's not orthogonally persistent if this actually does something useful

04:13:40 asciilifeform: (when was the last time you pulled your disk's cache sram out?)

04:13:45 mircea_popescu: yes well. marketingis not intended to be that hard semantically.

04:14:01 unbalanced: Don't I need 2 hit points? Or just the one?

04:14:02 justusranvier: There could be dedicated areas in the memory space that could be hardware wiped, and operations resumed from a hardcoded address. That would be like a reboot.

04:14:13 mircea_popescu: even the most accomplished anal insertion artist, who can take ANYTHING would not survive a parachute-less parachute fall

04:14:23 asciilifeform: justusranvier: this is what's on your desk now, essentially.

04:14:24 mircea_popescu: even if theoretically the planet is part of "everything"

04:14:30 asciilifeform: orthogonal persistence is something quite else.

04:14:37 decimation: ascii I imagine your dataflow machine as a collection of various calculating state machines, called into existence for various purposes when needed

04:15:06 asciilifeform: decimation: think 'emulation of room-sized fpga' and you're 90 percent there.

04:15:20 decimation: if you had such a beast, you just peek and poke at its inputs/outputs, it wouldn't really have an address space

04:15:34 unbalanced: ;;ident mircea_popescu

04:15:35 gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None

04:16:33 unbalanced: ;;gettrust assbot mircea_popescu

04:16:33 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 23 via 23 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011

04:17:31 asciilifeform: decimation: you don't need an address space as such if anything that might conceivably need to communicate with, e.g., keyboard, has an actual (matrix switched) electrical connection with it.

04:18:08 asciilifeform: that is, there is no reason why, say, garbage collector circuit (yes) needs to be able to request a byte from my keyboard buffer.

04:18:21 asciilifeform: just as you presently cannot dereference a pointer to your disk's sram cache

04:18:24 asciilifeform: and you live with this

04:19:02 asciilifeform: the brain-damage of the 'address space' concept is inescapable on a von neumann arch

04:19:21 asciilifeform: but if you have the option of doing the last 35 yrs. of hardware again - you can toss it.

04:19:50 decimation: in the end, you would only need the "address space" for permanant storage

04:20:30 unbalanced: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Read his stuff, you'll learn something.

04:20:31 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.

04:20:55 asciilifeform: only the circuit that marshalls state from the independent modules (e.g. keyboard buffer) to magnetic storage needs to know that it's a disk, and comes in 0...N 'LBA' blocks, etc.

04:21:51 asciilifeform: if you have the magnetic ram (actually available commercially, no need to wait for hp) you can dispense with the disk.

04:22:07 asciilifeform: and build the actual state in fpga out of same.

04:22:30 decimation: using magnetic ram for each of the LUT modules?

04:22:34 asciilifeform: correct

04:22:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.00082887 = 1.9843 BTC [-]

04:22:43 asciilifeform: not just the LUT config, but the block ram

04:22:59 decimation: I'm surprised HP isn't trying to build an fpga with precisely this

04:23:01 asciilifeform: ideally you would have some means for linearly pissing state out to a cheap disk

04:23:04 asciilifeform: on special occasions

04:23:39 unbalanced: ;;rate davout 1 Sharp, made bitcoin-central, been around since forever.

04:23:40 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.

04:23:50 asciilifeform: decimation: go suggest to boss: 'we need to re-write every line written since 1969.'

04:24:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no see, wouldn't that make perfect sense ?

04:24:08 mircea_popescu: more work, more jerbs, more grants ?

04:24:35 decimation: yeah. like my point about rolls royce just making derpy web pages would be more profitable than jet engines

04:25:11 asciilifeform: try apply for usg grant that pads no one's pocket but your own

04:25:14 asciilifeform: they like prior art.

04:25:32 asciilifeform: papers with thick endnote sections full of favourite nephews.

04:25:34 asciilifeform: etc

04:25:42 decimation: if you take the king's shekels etc

04:25:52 asciilifeform: if you take honest sheckels - gotta sell something

04:25:56 asciilifeform: or at least bamboozle vc

04:26:13 unbalanced: ;;rate jurov 1 Runs coinbr, more... has earned my trust.

04:26:15 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jurov has been recorded.

04:26:22 decimation: which puts you right back into having to make friends and influence people in the bezzle wot

04:27:59 decimation: lol from taleb's home page (my best interview) http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/d538a45a-4871-11e2-a1c0-00144feab49a.html#axzz2Z2Yg5a6H

04:27:59 assbot: Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error

04:28:00 unbalanced: ;;rate teward 1 Just met, helped me out, knows his stuff.

04:28:01 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user teward has been recorded.

04:28:24 unbalanced: Or should I not be rating people I've only communicated with for a couple of hours now?

04:28:28 decimation: "What has been your greatest disappointment?

04:28:29 decimation: That I am unable to destroy the economics establishment, the press."

04:28:29 mircea_popescu: unbalanced ideally not.

04:28:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30138 @ 0.0008268 = 24.9181 BTC [-] {2}

04:28:47 mircea_popescu: decimation see ? shouldn't he be here ?

04:29:15 decimation: abosolutely. he might be too integrated in the wall street wot to make new friends here though

04:29:16 unbalanced: Mmkay, so teward, I will revoke, nothing personal. Once I figure out how.

04:30:22 mircea_popescu: decimation why ?!

04:30:28 mircea_popescu: unbalanced ;;unrate

04:30:42 unbalanced: ;;unrate teward

04:30:43 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for teward.

04:33:10 decimation: he did an "ama" for the redditards, and he mostly dodged bitcoin: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1aoi0s/iam_nassim_taleb_author_of_antifragile_ama/c8zb3d8

04:33:12 assbot: nntaleb comments on IAm Nassim Taleb, author of Antifragile, AMA

04:34:57 unbalanced: decimation: re: "(my best interview)" above -- you write for FT?

04:35:26 decimation: heh no the link is entitled "my best interview" on taleb's page

04:35:38 decimation: sorry for the unclear language

04:36:07 unbalanced: Ah. I was going to ask you why they print on that orange-pink paper. Don't dodge the question!

04:38:25 unbalanced: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Wrote helpful GPG guide. May be my arch-nemesis in the ATC mines though, not sure yet.

04:38:26 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.

04:38:36 decimation: I'm just a zek, trying to scrape by in the world

04:39:33 mircea_popescu: what's a zek ?

04:40:17 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zek_%28inmate%29#Commemoration

04:40:17 assbot: White SeaBaltic Canal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

04:40:23 unbalanced: ;;rate pankkake 1 Funny, helpful, fights BS along with the other Super-Friends.

04:40:24 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user pankkake has been recorded.

04:40:56 mircea_popescu: oic

04:43:08 decimation: solzhenitsyn's "the first circle" resonates with me. in the collectivist us, it is hard to escape this condition

04:44:33 mircea_popescu: so why are you there!

04:44:38 mike_c: !up unbalanced

04:45:21 unbalanced: ;;rate Apocalyptic 1 Runs x-bt.com, a solid little exchange, and my money has not disappeared.

04:45:22 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Apocalyptic has been recorded.

04:47:05 unbalanced: ;;rate mike_c 1 Made btcalpha.com, great tools and analysis.

04:47:07 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mike_c has been recorded.

04:47:09 mike_c: %diff

04:47:11 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 486512.85 in 1086 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -31.99

04:47:23 mike_c: so unbalanced, what kind of diff change are you shooting for this period?

04:48:29 mike_c: ThickAsThieves: thanks for the dump

04:49:39 unbalanced: Hey, I took that dump. That's my dump! But thanks for the later-ing ThickAsThieves.

04:49:50 mike_c: hehe, then thank you too

04:49:51 unbalanced: Heh. You said "dump". Heh.

04:50:10 unbalanced: Regret voicing me yet?

04:50:21 mike_c: not yet. what kind of diff change are you trying to get this period?

04:50:50 unbalanced: I figure that the -25% to -50% range is desirable, as long as it doesn't fall so far someone can't easily spike it up 4x again.

04:51:14 unbalanced: But really, "easily" is a relative term so this may be a fool's errand.

04:51:27 mike_c: well, it seems like a good thing to try to me.

04:51:45 mike_c: ;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC tinkerer/supporter

04:51:47 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user unbalanced has been recorded.

04:52:06 unbalanced: I just want to make it increasingly uneconomical to try to kill the coin. Just an experiment really.

04:52:47 mike_c: yeah. i don't know if it's the right thing to do, but I do think it's worth trying.

04:53:13 mircea_popescu: unbalanced its perfectly uneconomical to try and kill the coin already.

04:53:43 thestringpuller: i kinda wanna mine ATC...

04:53:59 thestringpuller: seems fun, like a glimpse in the past...

04:53:59 mike_c: i don't worry about the coin dying, but +80%/-80% diff changes are annoying.

04:54:11 unbalanced: thestringpuller, you too can live the dream!

04:54:47 thestringpuller: call it Crypto Trail

04:54:48 mircea_popescu: mike_c they don't seem to be hurting anything tho do they ?

04:54:59 mike_c: they do to me.

04:55:03 mircea_popescu: unbalanced so in th end how much did you end up paying per atc trying to mine ?

04:55:07 mircea_popescu: mike_c how ?

04:55:34 mike_c: having a block an hour does not feel optimal.

04:55:35 unbalanced: The diff is still unfolding so I don't have a final number yet. I haven't wanted to calculate it or I might stop.

04:56:09 mike_c: i ran the numbers, but I won't tell if you don't want to know :)

04:56:26 unbalanced: thestringpuller, by "dump" mike_c meant a pastebin link somewhere above, detailing how to use leaserig.net to employ mining rigs on demand.

04:57:21 mircea_popescu: mike_c sotell me then :D

04:57:25 unbalanced: See also #altcoin... that channel needs new blood.

04:57:49 *: unbalanced closes his eyes

04:58:38 mike_c: it's like we have discussed before. it affects merchants. it's not as easy to move coin around. this makes little difference for the occasional user, but 1 hour block time on average means sometimes 2+ hours for a block.

04:59:29 unbalanced: Rough back-of-the-envelope I'd say 400 satoshis per ATC if I'm lucky. Is that what you got mike_c or am I off by an order of magnitude?

04:59:37 mike_c: i got 371

04:59:48 unbalanced: Profit!

05:00:04 mircea_popescu: mike_c what merchants ?!

05:00:15 mike_c: and i ran the numbers before btc diff went up, so it could be better

05:00:22 mike_c: cuz the miners should have dropped in price.

05:00:50 mike_c: mircea_popescu: x-bt for one. is satoshijack still around? plus possibly some other merchants in development.

05:01:38 mircea_popescu: mike_c haven't heard from the satoshijack dude in a long time

05:01:41 unbalanced: Yes, I guess a tslb of >1hr only matters if the coin is moving around more than once an hour. Or day.

05:02:20 mircea_popescu: i really don't see th econcern. if anything, slow txn are good for a coin, they keep the people in a hurry at bay

05:02:31 mircea_popescu: the only folk it really hurts are speculators, of the redditard type

05:02:51 mike_c: JD wouldn't be happy if gamblers had to wait 1-2 hours to deposit money

05:03:08 mircea_popescu: mike_c would you take the jd gamblers to dinner ?

05:03:10 unbalanced: You know MP, I'm testing my ATC wallet. Could you send me all your ATC, and then I'll send it back?

05:03:33 mike_c: mircea_popescu: i would not, but i'd gladly take their coin.

05:03:42 unbalanced: Purely routine. Just a test. No, no need to read the fine print. Just sign here.

05:04:04 unbalanced: See, with ATC you can relive the early days of BTC!

05:04:19 mike_c: like i said, i don't think this is any kind of life & death thing. it's smoothing out an annoyance.

05:04:24 unbalanced: Pure Disco Gold.

05:04:46 mircea_popescu: unbalanced i don't actually have any

05:05:24 mircea_popescu: mike_c from what i recall BingoBoingo wasn't too adverse to the jumps

05:05:31 unbalanced: See this here is more chat activity than #altcoin gets in a day. Come on over people!

05:06:13 unbalanced: I suspect BingoBoingo was the hash raider. Just a theory. No judgment.

05:06:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69400 @ 0.00082471 = 57.2349 BTC [-] {3}

05:06:23 BingoBoingo: unbalanced: I don't have hash...

05:06:55 unbalanced: You don't need it with LeaseRig.net, see the pastebin somewhere 8 miles up.

05:07:29 asciilifeform: decimation: welcome, fellow зек

05:07:44 mike_c: he's not a merchant, he's a market maker. i'm sure the diff changes are great for him.

05:08:08 unbalanced: You just knew about the max 4x diff jump, I haven't heard many people who know that. But I suppose it makes sense that everyone here would.

05:08:38 asciilifeform: (original etymology: 'зек' was originally 'з/к', sov. bureaucratic abbrev. of 'заключенный' - inmate)

05:08:53 asciilifeform: hence 'zek'

05:09:08 unbalanced: Where's nubbins? He should be ripping into us for even discussing ATC. Or did he ragequit already?

05:10:30 unbalanced: ;;later tell nubbins I'm in the WOT! Only took what, 4 months from Inception? PM at will.

05:10:30 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:10:42 asciilifeform: lol, turns out pediwikia has this explained

05:11:22 thestringpuller: ;;google site:blockr.io atc

05:11:23 gribble: Altcoin Block Explorer | blockr.io Altcoin Blockchain Market and Price: http://atc.blockr.io/; Altcoin block info | blockr.io: http://atc.blockr.io/block/list/; 1Kz5QaUPDtKrj5SqW5tFkn7WZh8LmQaQi4 - Blockr.io: http://atc.blockr.io/address/info/1Kz5QaUPDtKrj5SqW5tFkn7WZh8LmQaQi4

05:13:48 unbalanced: ;;rate asciilifeform 1 Almost paranoid enough... almost. I learn a ton from him.

05:13:49 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.

05:13:51 thestringpuller: ;;google site:bitoin-otc.com nubbins

05:13:51 gribble: No matches found.

05:15:49 asciilifeform: !up unbalanced

05:16:37 unbalanced: Big day for me, living la vida crypto. Thanks all. Going afk for a while.

05:17:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00082368 = 6.3012 BTC [-] {2}

05:22:02 decimation: asciilifeform my favorite quote from "the first circle": "A familiar figure in many prison research establishments, Professor Chelnov, an old mathematician arrested seventeen years ago and who, when he had to fill in a form, put down his nationality not as 'Russian' but as 'zek', had applied his mind to many inventions, from the direct flow boiler to the jet engine, and had put his heart and soul into several of them."

05:22:20 decimation: here's a 'link' http://klassix.net/keith/Kindle%20Backup%202-20-11/documents/First%20Circle,%20The%20-%20Alexander%20Solzhenitsyn.txt

05:23:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00082249 = 18.0537 BTC [-] {2}

05:24:15 decimation: I'm pretty sure that's a crap translation though

05:27:57 decimation: It would be highly satisfying to write "zek" for nationality on an official form

05:36:51 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 417 @ 0.00225524 = 0.9404 BTC [+]

05:42:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00082392 = 18.1262 BTC [+]

05:57:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.02840016 = 0.3408 BTC [-] {2}

05:57:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.04400001 = 0.352 BTC [-]

06:03:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00082344 = 32.4435 BTC [-] {3}

06:03:18 decimation: test

06:08:18 benkay: pong

06:15:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2385 BTC [-]

06:16:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.23500001 = 2.35 BTC [-]

06:18:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.23500001 = 1.41 BTC [-]

06:22:50 fluffypony: are we -m again?

06:23:30 punkman: morning fluffy

06:23:50 fluffypony: mornings

06:25:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00082047 = 7.0971 BTC [-]

06:29:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.02398476 = 1.2712 BTC [-] {2}

06:30:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0707 = 0.7777 BTC [-]

06:30:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02391925 = 0.1674 BTC [-]

06:51:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00082022 = 26.165 BTC [-] {2}

07:01:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16586 @ 0.00081996 = 13.5999 BTC [-]

07:16:13 punkman: http://priceonomics.com/what-do-rich-people-do-online/

07:16:13 assbot: What Do Rich People Do Online?

07:26:48 fluffypony: punkman: that dude looks like Magnum PI

07:26:54 punkman: lol

07:27:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.03 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2}

07:34:47 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 703 @ 0.00228499 = 1.6063 BTC [+]

07:44:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11011 @ 0.00082047 = 9.0342 BTC [+]

07:49:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.03 = 0.45 BTC [+]

08:04:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 85 @ 0.03 = 2.55 BTC [+]

08:05:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14039 @ 0.00082388 = 11.5665 BTC [+]

08:07:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07070707 = 0.6364 BTC [+]

08:08:38 punkman: why is it so hard to find a decent watermelon

08:08:50 punkman: do I have to put them up to my ear and tap them?

08:09:07 fluffypony: lol

08:09:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00081966 = 23.0324 BTC [-] {2}

08:10:32 pankkake: why not? there's always weird tricks with food

08:10:59 pankkake: I've mastered the chosing of avocados

08:11:08 punkman: I have this 1 weird trick

08:11:15 punkman: it's called tasting

08:11:24 pankkake: but you have to open it

08:13:41 punkman: pankkake: yeah that's the problem with watermelons, although the merchants often cut one up for tasting

08:14:08 pankkake: but they aren't necessarily the same

08:14:33 punkman: quite often the case

08:14:38 pankkake: though I've always had the project of crowdsourcing fruit arrival data

08:16:11 pankkake: especially for clementines; batches are very different and there are some characteristics I'm looking for

08:16:13 punkman: I mostly buy local fruit, but fuckers still can't wait until it's ripe enough

08:19:29 jurov: dat log

08:21:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2355 BTC [+]

08:21:42 jurov: punkman: they can't make small triangle cut into the melon? here it's usual

08:22:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.23421599 = 4.4501 BTC [-] {4}

08:23:21 punkman: jurov, don't they get stuck with a bunch of mediocre watermelons then? or do they sell them to the next sucker

08:23:28 fluffypony: altcoins are getting really desperate to find a hook: http://i.imgur.com/BRQ7rKl.png

08:23:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.232 = 1.16 BTC [-]

08:24:02 jurov: yes, some ppl don't have a clue to ask

08:24:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.04085759 = 0.8172 BTC [-] {10}

08:25:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 2169 @ 0.00020095 = 0.4359 BTC [-] {6}

08:25:44 jurov: also, it's generally accepted that not everything sells (aspecially at such scammy prices for groceries)

08:26:04 punkman: picked my apricot tree couple weeks ago, sick of them by now

08:26:13 punkman: bigger yield this year, but less taste

08:26:29 jurov: make a jam or w/e

08:26:42 jurov: than make pankkakes

08:27:13 punkman: I made a couple tarts, still too many left

08:32:20 pankkake: http://mikethegoat.wordpress.com/2014/06/12/nsa-custom-hardware-the-fluxbabbitt-implant-and-why-its-important/ => makes me think, hardware keyloggers are a nasty thing

08:32:21 assbot: NSA Custom Hardware: The FLUXBABBITT Implant (And Why It’s Important) | Mike the Crypto Goat

08:32:42 pankkake: you can plant them and no one will check the cables every day

08:33:45 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 428 @ 0.00227837 = 0.9751 BTC [-]

08:36:04 punkman: pankkake: wireless all the things!

08:36:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.00233 = 0.1957 BTC [-]

08:37:30 pankkake: ew :(

08:39:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 0.23116666 = 5.548 BTC [-] {4}

08:42:06 pankkake: http://www.cato.org/blog/did-fda-just-ban-european-cheese

08:42:07 assbot: Did the FDA Just Ban European Cheese? | Cato @ Liberty

08:42:49 punkman: I got some stinky camembert right here

08:42:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.07070707 = 1.6263 BTC [+]

08:46:37 punkman: pankkake: oh they changed their mind already, http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/11/wood-aged-cheese-is-ok-says-fda

08:46:39 assbot: Our Short National Cheese Nightmare Is Over: FDA Backtracks on Wood-Aged Cheese - Hit & Run : Reason.com

08:49:07 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg7286661#msg7286661 lol

08:49:07 assbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract! Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]

08:49:13 pankkake: that's why it's so useless to try

08:50:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15461 @ 0.00081928 = 12.6669 BTC [-] {2}

08:51:32 fluffypony: kakobrekla: did you get banned from Bitcointalk?

08:55:36 pankkake: some months ago

08:55:55 fluffypony: oh I missed that

08:56:23 pankkake: actually he god banned twice!

08:56:39 pankkake: got*. one temporary and one definitive I suppose

08:57:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.00082466 = 36.0376 BTC [+]

09:01:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17755 @ 0.00082402 = 14.6305 BTC [-] {2}

09:19:23 fluffypony: new site from The Onion is awesome: http://www.clickhole.com

09:19:23 assbot: Home · Clickhole

09:26:29 jurov: fluffypony: the keyword for kako was "slanderous soul"

09:26:39 fluffypony: heh

09:27:06 fluffypony: http://www.clickhole.com/article/elderly-couple-died-two-days-apart-so-why-arent-po-128

09:27:07 assbot: This Elderly Couple Died Two Days Apart, So Why Arent The Police Investigating It? · Clickhole

09:27:09 fluffypony: lol

09:47:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19055 @ 0.00082195 = 15.6623 BTC [-]

09:56:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00082147 = 17.1687 BTC [-]

10:00:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00082064 = 19.8595 BTC [-] {2}

10:00:42 davout: pankkake: "I've mastered the chosing of avocados" <<< make me your apprentice

10:04:25 fluffypony: hah hah

10:04:39 fluffypony: the unpickable "Forever Lock" got picked

10:04:40 fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4f1H6mYHOI

10:04:40 assbot: "Forever Lock" bumping, picking, picked - YouTube

10:07:37 davout: https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=441465.msg7282674#msg7282674

10:07:38 assbot: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)

10:07:55 davout: how would one detect a block witholding attack on a pool ?

10:08:30 kakobrekla: yes fluffypony , pankkake has it. maybe it will be trice soon.

10:11:18 xmj: fluffypony: i think i'll go suit-hunting now.

10:11:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 124 @ 0.0707 = 8.7668 BTC [-]

10:11:42 fluffypony: xmj: ok awesome - also see if there's a place that does tailored shirts as well, need to pick a few up

10:12:58 kakobrekla: >>You didn't know anything.

10:12:58 kakobrekla: You were giving a lot of credit to Garrett by playing the clown/troll.

10:12:58 kakobrekla: You made everything worse.

10:13:00 kakobrekla: LMAO

10:13:08 kakobrekla: I MADE EVERYTHING WORSE

10:13:41 kakobrekla: "Stop making fun of me mom, you made everything worse!!!!11"

10:13:55 kakobrekla: runs to his room to cry.

10:15:43 fluffypony: lol

10:15:44 fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk4vnVsx2wc

10:15:44 assbot: CM in - YouTube

10:15:59 fluffypony: great advertising, I feel like noodles now

10:16:29 pankkake: somewhat related http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3386

10:16:29 assbot: Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal

10:17:56 kakobrekla: wtf

10:18:01 kakobrekla: what a commercial.

10:18:41 kakobrekla: look samurai, samurai, ball, samurai, some gay dancers, samurai, oh yeah noodles.

10:20:03 pankkake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PHENQiJFzI

10:20:04 assbot: Bukkake Milk - YouTube

10:20:32 fluffypony: kakobrekla: (c) Usagi Design Studio, 2014

10:21:15 kakobrekla: what the fuzck what year is this from pankkake

10:21:29 pankkake: I only know it's old

10:24:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58947 @ 0.00081841 = 48.2428 BTC [-] {2}

10:26:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.225 BTC [-]

10:28:58 punkman: finally, what I've been waiting for http://design.canonical.com/2014/03/making-ubuntu-com-responsive/

10:28:58 assbot: Making ubuntu.com responsive: intro (1) | Ubuntu Design Blog

10:37:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00082195 = 6.9044 BTC [+]

10:37:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.03 = 0.15 BTC [+]

10:37:53 kakobrekla: so ghash io is now at 50% network

10:38:11 kakobrekla: noone gives fucks.

10:42:36 fluffypony: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8220224768/hA578A447/

10:42:37 fluffypony: "don't worry guys, I will use my rock to stop this"

10:46:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2585 @ 0.00082195 = 2.1247 BTC [+]

10:48:35 fluffypony: yay my Ziks arrived

10:53:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31546 @ 0.00082022 = 25.8747 BTC [-] {2}

11:13:55 fluffypony: so Tesla is opening their patent portfolio up, and won't sue rival firms who use the patented tech "in good faith"

11:14:01 fluffypony: that's a change

11:15:29 fluffypony: also it means Tesla-compatible charging points can be put up by tons of other manufacturers to support "their" cars, as everyone can use the same charging tech

11:17:12 nubbins`: ooo

11:19:11 nubbins`: ugh, awoken before 9am by skids next door shouting SATURDAY NIGHT and throwing furniture

11:19:22 fluffypony: throwing furniture?

11:19:23 nubbins`: it's friday, ya fuckin dickheads

11:19:38 nubbins`: yeah

11:19:44 nubbins`: not an unusual occurrence

11:21:46 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/scott-jones-says-he-forgives-his-attacker-shane-edward-matheson-1.2673052

11:21:48 assbot: Scott Jones says he forgives his attacker, Shane Edward Matheson - Nova Scotia - CBC News

11:26:56 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/

11:26:56 assbot: Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin

11:27:09 fluffypony: Peter Todd was the cause of yesterday's dump?

11:27:29 pankkake: fluffypony: it's not that novel though, plenty of companies do it. they patent things as a defensive measure

11:28:15 fluffypony: pankkake: sure, but the automative industry has a long-standing history of patent-trolling

11:28:20 fluffypony: http://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesleadershipforum/2013/07/30/the-father-of-all-patent-trolls/

11:28:21 assbot: The Father Of All Patent Trolls - Forbes

11:28:21 pankkake: 1) braindead 2) braindead 3) BRAINDEAD

11:29:15 pankkake: who is this petertodd?

11:30:02 nubbins`: nevermind that

11:30:06 nubbins`: look at these posters i made

11:30:07 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/5Fakoal

11:30:07 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

11:30:12 fluffypony: pankkake: Bitcoin dev

11:30:18 nubbins`: silver and blue ink on red paper

11:30:27 pankkake: I don't think he understands bitcoin

11:30:30 nubbins`: the blue is transparent so it looks like two different colors :(

11:30:40 pankkake: are you sure he's not an altcoin dev?

11:31:16 fluffypony: pankkake: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/graphs/contributors - number 12 on the list

11:31:17 assbot: Contributors to bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub

11:32:43 pankkake: 31 commits of little fixes. by that count, I'm a developer in hundreds of projects

11:35:33 pankkake: anyway, this kind of post is why bitcoin can't be worth $1000. still too many retards

11:41:03 pankkake: "It will always be cheaper to run a small amount of hashing power than a large amount" wat

11:41:11 pankkake: the more I try to read his brain damage… ugh

11:41:22 pankkake: ;;gpg info petertodd

11:41:22 gribble: User 'petertodd', with keyid 7FAB114267E4FA04, fingerprint 37EC7D7B0A217CDB4B4E007E7FAB114267E4FA04, and bitcoin address 16BG6DT2p2SMtKJGGzDARbtvjPFJikzhXQ, registered on Wed Apr 25 03:34:22 2012, last authed on Tue Apr 30 19:55:25 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=petertodd . Currently not authenticated.

11:43:18 pankkake: ;;rate petertodd -1 does not understand bitcoin yet claims to be a developer http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/

11:43:18 assbot: Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin

11:43:19 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user petertodd has been recorded.

11:43:52 kakobrekla: yeah and they will grow larger

11:48:34 Mats_cd03: lolll

11:48:46 Mats_cd03: 'get rid of pools'

11:48:56 Mats_cd03: 'and asics'

11:49:42 pankkake: when asics have absolutely nothing to do with it

11:50:33 xmj: fluffypony: so i was partially successful

11:51:14 fluffypony: yay

12:00:03 Mats_cd03: ;;rate petertodd -1 writes theses about things he doesn't understand, like networking and bitcoin http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/

12:00:05 assbot: Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin

12:00:05 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

12:00:47 nubbins`: omg you're not even authed?! :(

12:00:50 nubbins`: !down Mats_cd03

12:00:57 nubbins`: ;D

12:01:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.0008208 = 21.2587 BTC [+]

12:04:36 Mats_cd03: qq

12:12:35 mircea_popescu: !up GGGG

12:17:51 kakobrekla: check out the maffs on this dude

12:17:53 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.msg7289554#msg7289554

12:17:53 assbot: [NastyFans.org] NASTY MINING | POOL | COINS

12:18:08 kakobrekla: lost 65%, its a longterm win.

12:18:17 kakobrekla: unrealized wins.

12:18:17 mircea_popescu: unbalanced: Big day for me, living la vida crypto. Thanks all. Going afk for a while. << that was lulzy lol. like kid with new xmas train.

12:19:25 mircea_popescu: you did twice as worse << it's twice as bad

12:19:34 mircea_popescu: worse is a superlative and for that reason incomparable.

12:19:43 kakobrekla: but he did so bad

12:19:47 kakobrekla: you cant compare

12:19:52 kakobrekla: yet i had to.

12:20:13 mircea_popescu: lol that's a point

12:20:34 assbot: manamex +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

12:20:44 kakobrekla: !up manamex

12:20:51 kakobrekla: hi

12:21:18 mircea_popescu: wow it reports now ?

12:21:25 kakobrekla: it reports now.

12:21:46 kakobrekla: only if you are in the wot but not enough THRUST.

12:21:55 mircea_popescu: ic

12:22:35 mircea_popescu: ;;coffee

12:22:35 gribble: Error: "coffee" is not a valid command.

12:22:39 manamex: thanks

12:22:41 mircea_popescu: it does not yet make coffee ?

12:22:46 kakobrekla: :(

12:23:00 mircea_popescu: halfassed job

12:23:26 kakobrekla: the usual.

12:23:36 mircea_popescu: "Professor Chelnov, an old mathematician arrested seventeen years ago and who, when he had to fill in a form" << why the fuck'd anyone fill a form already.

12:23:48 mircea_popescu: derpy soviets think they're so smart, let them fill all the forms they want.

12:24:47 mircea_popescu: punkman: do I have to put them up to my ear and tap them? << if you can't hear the tap without putting it to your ear it's not a good one anyway

12:25:23 kakobrekla: so what brings you manamex , you only got a 30 min block might as well use it

12:25:32 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: are we -m again? << no ?!

12:25:57 kakobrekla: sez +m here

12:26:12 mircea_popescu: ya here too

12:26:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47737 @ 0.0008208 = 39.1825 BTC [+]

12:30:21 fluffypony: when decimation said "test" they weren't voiced, or was my client just being weird

12:30:48 mircea_popescu: hm

12:31:22 mircea_popescu: pankkake: you can plant them and no one will check the cables every day << why not ?

12:32:33 fluffypony: yeah all my catchup logs pushed to me this AM have decimation and unbalanced talking but unvoiced

12:32:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.03 = 0.45 BTC [+]

12:32:44 fluffypony: probably ZNC being weird

12:32:46 fluffypony: !down

12:32:58 mircea_popescu: fluffypony you prolly lost state at some point ?

12:33:16 mircea_popescu: unbalanced kept getting devoiced and i doubt he's yet figured how to pm assbot

12:33:27 fluffypony: yeah state could have been wonky

12:33:38 fluffypony: yes definitely out of state:

12:33:40 fluffypony: [2014-06-13T06:39:35+0200] <mircea_popescu> what's a zek ?

12:33:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.04 = 0.44 BTC [+]

12:33:44 fluffypony: apparently you weren't voiced for a while

12:33:48 fluffypony: :-P

12:33:57 mircea_popescu: now that's not possible :D

12:33:58 fluffypony: stupid client

12:34:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.0008214 = 21.1921 BTC [+] {3}

12:35:02 mircea_popescu: davout: how would one detect a block witholding attack on a pool ? << which kind ?

12:37:07 mircea_popescu: if you mean to try and double spend, it'd be hard for any pool to do. if you mean, the withholding to hurt the pool, it can't really, but extreme bad luck is always suspicious.

12:37:51 mircea_popescu: in principle tho the pools are open to this "who's willing to lose most money" attack, they could start doing it to each other (and perhaps the larger ones have done it to ensure their position already - it's disputed)

12:37:59 manamex: kakobrekla: I'm new here and looking around, browsing the logs

12:39:50 Mats_cd03: zek is a word for an enslaved man in gulag or what have you

12:42:43 mircea_popescu: lol the us should ban good cheese. the stuff they call cheese is a disgrace to the name, best just painlessly divorce.

12:44:26 nubbins`: !up Vexual

12:44:32 nubbins`: Vexual: thanks :D

12:44:33 Vexual: hi all

12:45:14 nubbins`: fluffypony: shirts shipped. holy shit, it's costly to send mail to .za

12:45:22 nubbins`: artifexd: your shirts shipped as well

12:45:28 fluffypony: nubbins`: need me to chip in extra to cover?

12:45:40 nubbins`: nah, don't worry about it

12:46:13 nubbins`: i budget ~$10 per shirt for shipping. usually it ends up being much less. yours came to $57 for 6 shirts :D

12:46:23 mircea_popescu: o.O

12:46:32 nubbins`: i know, right?!

12:46:37 mircea_popescu: dude are womenz in sa mostly nekkid ?

12:46:47 Vexual: then the postman thieves em

12:46:47 mircea_popescu: if shipping shirts costs more than the shirts it'd seem practical

12:46:54 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00225245 = 1.6893 BTC [+]

12:47:06 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: wait til he tells you about the tariffs on clothing imports

12:47:55 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 54 @ 0.00225245 = 0.1216 BTC [+]

12:48:10 mircea_popescu: "1) Eliminate pools. 2) Provide a way for miners to solo-mine with low varience and frequent mining payouts even with only small amounts of hashing power. 3) Get rid of ASICs." mkay todd is off another planet.

12:49:01 mircea_popescu: why not get rid of airplanes while at it, they spread germs, are a threat to diversity and make it really easy for assholes like mp (or genius chinese kids) to fly to retarded backwater places (like the us) and just take over

12:49:33 fluffypony: nubbins`: holy cowbell

12:49:41 fluffypony: is that with CanadaPost?

12:49:50 nubbins`: provide a way for cars to fly through the air with minimal time even with only a two-stroke lawnmower engine

12:50:04 nubbins`: fluffypony, yep. canada is a notoriously expensive place to mail things from

12:50:16 fluffypony: yeah damn, that is pricey

12:50:25 nubbins`: europe isn't as bad

12:50:31 nubbins`: africa/asia are costly

12:50:31 fluffypony: that's what I'd pay to courier a parcel like that to Canada with Aramex

12:50:54 nubbins`: well shit, next time send me an empty box and i'll load it up & write RETURN TO SENDER on it ;D

12:50:57 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> provide a way for cars to fly through the air with minimal time even with only a two-stroke lawnmower engine << i know right ? i will sell half my gasoline unless this happens.

12:51:13 nubbins`: mp lel

12:51:14 mircea_popescu: ahahaha that trick might just work lmao

12:51:17 nubbins`: half your gas?!

12:51:28 mircea_popescu: i have a bucket o gas.

12:51:45 nubbins`: i might get out of the gas business altogether

12:51:51 nubbins`: until saudi stops its 51% attack

12:52:14 Vexual: asics deter 50% attacks, it's expensive

12:52:18 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/tpF7jHs

12:52:18 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

12:52:28 mircea_popescu: "Do I still think Bitcoin will succeed in the long run? Yes, but I'm a lot less sure of it than I used to be."

12:52:34 mircea_popescu: all these derps with their tech fixation.

12:52:52 nubbins`: the quoted statement contains no information

12:53:03 Vexual: gonna take dollars 4 2.5 weeks

12:53:07 mircea_popescu: bitcoin will succeed in the long term because i say so. not because todd says or doesn't say so. wtf is this, programmer planet, where programmers matter now ?!

12:53:22 nubbins`: if programmers mattered, maybe i'd still be one D;

12:53:33 nubbins`: (almost definitely not, but hey)

12:53:35 mircea_popescu: nubbins` some redditardation in earlier log, http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/

12:53:35 assbot: Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin

12:53:35 kakobrekla: now he prits t shirts.

12:53:45 nubbins`: kakobrekla, and posters!

12:53:50 kakobrekla: and posters.

12:54:00 mircea_popescu: better posters than posers amirite

12:54:09 nubbins`: funny thing is, the work i do now actually does matter more

12:54:13 nubbins`: chew on that

12:54:40 kakobrekla: true, i made bitbet from tshirts.

12:54:53 kakobrekla: and posters.

12:55:05 mircea_popescu: i thought it was two cups and a wire

12:55:17 nubbins`: i thought it was two cups and a girl

12:55:24 nubbins`: wait, no, that's backwards

12:55:27 kakobrekla: maybe a wire and two girls.

12:55:30 mircea_popescu: lol lampelina'll love thart

12:55:42 nubbins`: how thick is the wire?

12:55:42 kakobrekla: actually she would.

12:55:59 nubbins`: 0000-gauge and up or i'm not watching

12:56:16 kakobrekla: the gauge is the thing that goes in reverse right

12:56:18 Mats_cd03: militants advancing towards baghdad

12:56:24 nubbins`: yah

12:56:30 kakobrekla: who came up with that shit

12:56:30 nubbins`: quad-0 is just shy of 1/2"

12:56:31 mircea_popescu: "BTW If you owe me fiat and normally pay me via Bitcoin, for the next 2.5 weeks you can pay me based on the price I sold at, $650 CAD." << so inadvertently, the guy's holdings are 5 weeks of his income.

12:56:34 nubbins`: who knows!

12:56:38 Mats_cd03: bet its done in two months

12:56:39 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

12:56:41 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 596.0, Best ask: 599.69, Bid-ask spread: 3.69000, Last trade: 596.0, 24 hour volume: 32119.14208210, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 628.77, 24 hour vwap: 587.301256977

12:57:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00082087 = 17.1151 BTC [-] {2}

12:57:14 nubbins`: btc/cad is ~660 right now

12:57:15 Vexual: i like how the fbi made a neat little bounce

12:57:19 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 20 * 5 * 5/52 * 45000 / 587

12:57:20 gribble: 737.124885336

12:57:34 mircea_popescu: the total estimated holdings of the bitcoin power rangers < 1k btc.

12:57:42 mircea_popescu: admitting todd's typical.

12:57:55 nubbins`: kakobrekla: apparently it's an indicator of how many pulls through a drawing die

12:58:18 mircea_popescu: (and i do believe he's typical, there's nothing more conformally uniform in the world than tech people.)

12:58:30 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draw_plate#mediaviewer/File:Draw_plates-two.jpg

12:58:30 assbot: Draw plate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

12:58:32 kakobrekla: nubbins` would make sense but it still doesnt.

12:58:43 nubbins`: 0 gauge, bar stock

12:58:49 nubbins`: 1 gauge, pull it thru first hole

12:58:50 nubbins`: etc

12:58:51 mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> militants advancing towards baghdad << myeah.

12:58:55 nubbins`: still pretty silly

12:59:04 kakobrekla: you can tell it sucks if it cant go into negative.

12:59:12 nubbins`: inorite :(

12:59:12 mircea_popescu: negative thickness ?!

12:59:20 kakobrekla: yes!

12:59:26 mircea_popescu: like urc0k ?

12:59:35 Vexual: zing

12:59:36 fluffypony: lol

12:59:38 nubbins`: they just keep adding zeroes until people give up and use mm

13:00:14 mircea_popescu: speaking of negative cock thickness, so the good folk here don't fucking import condoms.

13:00:26 nubbins`: they produce em domesically?

13:00:34 Vexual: recycle?

13:00:40 *: nubbins` ponders economy of scale

13:00:43 nubbins`: sheep casings?

13:00:48 mircea_popescu: cue me in pharmacy with womenz in tow looking askew at the two mds there, with a stupid novelty ladden package onthe counter. "what are trhese!?!?"

13:01:09 mircea_popescu: so in the end i order research on condoms. answer comes out that the only half decent brand is "prime"

13:01:22 mircea_popescu: imagine, i could scribble "numbers" under it and be a real geek fucking.

13:01:37 Vexual: for 3 somes

13:01:39 nubbins`: imagine if you were to skip the women and fuck a pie

13:01:42 mircea_popescu: but anyway, so i go buy one of each type, and as chance would have it i first try the tyhing called "anatomical"

13:01:45 mircea_popescu: that thing...

13:01:57 mircea_popescu: that thing is so narrow i couldn't fit any part of it in there.

13:02:28 mircea_popescu: fucking clitoris condom

13:02:46 mircea_popescu: who the hell knew "anatomical" is condom codeword for "i have a very small icepick"

13:02:49 nubbins`: twist: it's a combination condom/cock ring

13:03:27 Vexual: prolly got the condom bachine on aliexpress

13:03:34 nubbins`: anyway, to quote sublime

13:03:41 nubbins`: el amigo es un condon en el bolsillo

13:03:48 mircea_popescu: lol

13:03:54 Mats_cd03: interesting turn for the kurds though

13:04:05 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 whassat

13:05:02 Mats_cd03: they've been shit on for a long time, now they have oil guns and territory

13:05:53 mircea_popescu: hahaha

13:06:05 mircea_popescu: what are you, like new to this risk! game of international intrigue ?

13:06:17 Mats_cd03: maybe they'll become a nation state, the dream of all oppressed little guys

13:06:29 mircea_popescu: or maybe they'll becomne dinner

13:06:34 mircea_popescu: the actual fate of all opressed little guys

13:06:36 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/internet-privacy-decision-by-supreme-court-comes-today-1.2673823

13:06:36 assbot: Internet privacy decision by Supreme Court comes today - Technology & Science - CBC News

13:06:58 mircea_popescu: they're oppressed for a reason you know. nobody in the entire history of oppression was oppressed for anything but a reason.

13:07:01 davout: mircea_popescu: "which kind ?" <<< apparently some eligius guy claims they've caught one of their miners doing the withold-correct-block-hashes thing

13:07:08 Mats_cd03: sometimes you get a scrappy one. I'll be watching closely

13:07:16 mircea_popescu: davout well do they offer any proof ?

13:07:25 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 care to make it intereskin ?

13:07:35 davout: none at all, so i was like wtf

13:07:41 davout: lemme fish the post

13:07:43 mircea_popescu: davout so moar drama.

13:07:59 nubbins`: wait, i thought the withholding hashes thing didn't work because of nonces or some sort of math shit

13:07:59 mircea_popescu: seems more a function ofyou for the first time reading miner stuff than anything else.

13:08:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` huh ?

13:08:27 davout: mircea_popescu: here you go -> https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=441465.msg7282674#msg7282674

13:08:27 assbot: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)

13:08:32 nubbins`: just ignore, rambling

13:09:07 davout: mircea_popescu: "seems more a function ofyou for the first time reading miner stuff than anything else." <<< nah, just wtfing at this, wondering if i was right to be wtfing or simply stupid

13:09:08 nubbins`: OHHHH, sorry, i misunderstood

13:09:23 nubbins`: i thought they were saving up valid hashes to blow their wad all at once

13:09:25 nubbins`: not the case at all

13:09:58 mircea_popescu: davout the guy is a legit miner, but perhaps not too acquainted with logic. they're not detectable, they're susceptionable.

13:10:15 Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: i like that...i wouldn't know what to select for a proposition, though

13:10:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00082043 = 30.3969 BTC [-] {2}

13:10:26 mircea_popescu: (if they actually were detectable they'd logically be prevetnable too)

13:10:37 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 me either tbh

13:11:04 davout: to me it sounds retarded to confiscate such an amount on a suspicion, especially when the suspected attacker has no economic incentive to be attacking in the first place

13:11:07 mircea_popescu: "My guess is that they never expected to get caught and suffer income loss as a result of their attack. But, once they were caught, I put a filter in place to block them from the payout queue (similar to the block on known MtGox addresses). Eligius’s offline wallet now has roughly 200 BTC work credits held from the payout queue under the attacker's addresses, that we have stopped them from stealing."

13:11:08 Vexual: well the other 50% prevents it, and as you tend to 100%, it becomes unprofitable

13:11:15 mircea_popescu: so elegius is stealing from some miner they had an argument with.

13:11:39 Vexual: how godly

13:11:44 mircea_popescu: why the fuck would someone keep a 200 btc balance, and esp with elegius, is beyong me.

13:12:00 Mats_cd03: Kurds create sovereign state recognized by majority of nations by 2015?

13:12:01 mircea_popescu: "When they noticed, weeks later, they contacted us complaining. We asked them to sign messages to verify they were in fact in control of the addresses in question including asking them to include a real name and location in the signed message, refusing to discuss it until they had done so"

13:12:11 mircea_popescu: herpy derp. so basically don't mine with elegius and that's that.

13:12:39 davout: Luke-Jr: what's with that?

13:12:46 davout: !up Luke-Jr

13:12:48 mircea_popescu: "It has unofficially been decided that if it came down to it, Eligius would shut down before being forced to pay any attacker of any kind any amount whatsoever."

13:13:07 mircea_popescu: o look, it's also closing ? isn't this one of the oldest pools still (sort-of) standing ?

13:13:20 kakobrekla: elegius deceiving users? wouldn't be the first time.

13:13:48 mircea_popescu: "P.S. - This is unrelated to any of the stats issues that have occurred. (Server migration for the new web server is still under way…)"

13:13:51 dub: inb4: I'd explain but you wouldnt understand

13:14:29 mircea_popescu: well the more persuasive explanation is, elegius fucked up a server upgrade (on its sole server, if you don't count an old backup box which is never live anyway), lost some user's accounts

13:14:30 kakobrekla: how much CP does 200btc buy Luke-Jr ?

13:14:36 mircea_popescu: and is now going into uberderpage mode to cover it up

13:15:14 mircea_popescu: forum responds : "WOOT WTG WK!!! you teach them that messing with our pool isn't an option Great job on catching them and stopping them from getting their reward for doing nothing Finally some scammers didn't get to scam...oh how good that makes me feel...lost 21 coins to some lying cheating bastards already one was the btcrow or some website email scam..thought i was using escrow but was really sending them the coi

13:15:14 mircea_popescu: ns oh well...Great job on running the pool WK!! couldn't ask for a better pool op"

13:15:38 mircea_popescu: these people should vote, seriously. then we'd finally have real democracy, when nothing and nobody prevents these people from giving their "opinion" on how public affairs should be run

13:15:45 mircea_popescu: and we'll all be happy and everything plentiful and good.

13:15:54 nubbins`: !up Vexual

13:16:43 fluffypony: kakobrekla: shouldn't you be asking Brock?

13:17:05 mircea_popescu: oh wait wait.

13:17:18 kakobrekla: who is brock

13:17:24 nubbins`: ;;google brock

13:17:25 gribble: Brock - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Brock; Brock (anime) - Bulbapedia - Bulbagarden: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Brock_(anime); Brock (Pokémon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_(Pok%C3%A9mon)

13:17:28 nubbins`: ah

13:17:31 mircea_popescu: the even more logical conclusion : there's some miner going around with 32 bit hardware, that's unable to correctly handle 64 bit nonces

13:17:52 mircea_popescu: and so doesn't submit the winning block half the time it finds it, and doesn't care to fix his hardware.

13:17:59 fluffypony: kakobrekla: Bryan Singer's buddy

13:18:07 mircea_popescu: this has been known for fucking months, except apparently not by the elegius admin crew.

13:18:15 nubbins`: lel

13:18:17 fluffypony: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bryan-singer-sex-abuse-case-699828

13:18:18 assbot: Bryan Singer Sex Abuse Case: The Troubling History Behind the Accusations - The Hollywood Reporter

13:18:36 mircea_popescu: congrats on wizkid for making things sound retarded i guess.

13:19:15 kakobrekla: dunno if it makes any difference but bitstamp has a company registered for each of its ~20 'employees' here in slovenia.

13:19:35 fluffypony: kakobrekla: like 1 company per employee?

13:19:39 kakobrekla: yep

13:19:41 Vexual: neato

13:20:03 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because they want the low tax

13:20:18 mircea_popescu: they get 20k euro per corp or so, if they make one per employee that's a 400k deduction

13:20:30 Vexual: when does co tax become beneficial in slov??

13:20:39 Vexual: oh

13:21:00 davout: kakobrekla: interdasting

13:21:24 Vexual: i thought it might be, "we'll set you up as a co coz youll be making 1 million withing 6 months"

13:22:08 Vexual: "now code"

13:22:26 kakobrekla: CSS HARDER!

13:22:36 Vexual: all the styles!

13:23:17 Vexual: i don't know slovenia from slovakistan

13:25:10 mircea_popescu: Naphex check this out :

13:25:15 mircea_popescu: "In 5.16, I post my ticket.

13:25:16 mircea_popescu: In 5.21, you replied to request signature for my address, I replied.

13:25:16 mircea_popescu: In 5.23, you found my signature is wrong. after investigate, I found that I add a extra space on somewhere, then I re-sign the text. Then, a week passed. "

13:25:22 mircea_popescu: this is why i say the thing sucks and shouldn't be used.

13:26:09 mircea_popescu: makes it too damned easy for anyone to arbitrarily reject signs, which goes entirelky against the fucking point of a signature in the first place.

13:27:08 mircea_popescu: and the forumtards respond : ""If I didn't do it I would say that I didn't do it. You wrote a very long post and not one time did you say that you did not do it. To me, that says a lot! Don't bother now, it's too late.

13:27:32 mircea_popescu: some real king solomons out there, we're so fortunate to have everything the cat dragged in "involved" in bitcoin. thank you accessibility, thank you ever so.

13:28:49 mircea_popescu: "Even if it was unintentional you fucked up at everyone elses expense. Other people paid for your mistake in coding. You should return ALL the BTC you've mined." << someone was going on about how the confiscation "restored their faith in HUMANITY". this is then humanity, at its core. dunno why anyone'd want any part of it.

13:28:56 mircea_popescu: anyway, nice find davout

13:30:01 Vexual: ;;later tell decimation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhOqrvCwOsU

13:30:01 assbot: Charlie's Country - Clip: "Licence" - YouTube

13:30:02 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:31:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00081972 = 12.4188 BTC [-]

13:31:49 davout: mircea_popescu: i just realized the "WOOT WTG WK!" quote was actually what someone said

13:31:57 mircea_popescu: it was.

13:32:38 davout: that resonates with asciilifeform's comment wrt taleb piercing the bozo field

13:32:46 mircea_popescu: anyway, ghash having 51% is

13:32:54 mircea_popescu: WAY better than that fuckwit eleutheria having 51%

13:33:06 Vexual: fuck wrong person

13:33:09 mircea_popescu: last time that happened we ended up with a hard fork. so far ghash is 0-1 on the score.

13:34:14 Vexual: ;;later tell decimation that was meant for Mats_cd03 regarding whether or not he needed a ham license for his hackrf

13:34:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:36:34 Vexual: ghash is boss pool

13:37:09 mircea_popescu: for as long that'll last.

13:37:13 Vexual: TAT asked was it bullshit

13:37:19 Vexual: seems not

13:38:40 Vexual: yeah some other bastard will bring more peta with tricker deployment measures, and bitcoin succeeds

13:41:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00082286 = 7.9817 BTC [+]

13:42:31 Vexual: theres a reason dogetreats are priced in satoshi

13:42:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00230894 = 0.2309 BTC [-] {3}

13:45:58 mircea_popescu: pankkake: who is this petertodd? << one of the saner of the power ranger bunch.

13:46:52 bitcoinpete: heya

13:47:19 mircea_popescu: pankkake: "It will always be cheaper to run a small amount of hashing power than a large amount" wat << in good tech tradition, he understands nothing of business, including the fact that he understands nothing of it.

13:47:23 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete hey

13:47:38 fluffypony: ohaaaai bitcoinpete

13:47:46 nubbins`: hmm

13:47:53 bitcoinpete: lol someone's chipper this morning

13:48:33 nubbins`: i wonder will these SR coins auction for below or above market rate

13:49:02 bitcoinpete: nubbins`: the sr coins will go for market rate because they are market rate

13:49:12 bitcoinpete: more or less

13:49:23 bitcoinpete: limited by only being accessible to us citizens and whatnot

13:49:24 mircea_popescu: nubbins` the announced price will be under market rate. the "winner" will not actually have to pay anything, but will have to support usg policy.

13:49:57 nubbins`: hm, i woulda put my money on above market rate

13:49:58 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete they're not limited to being accessible to us citizens. they're limited to being accessible to that one corp that makes the most convincing case it'll be useful.

13:50:25 nubbins`: there's gotta be at least a few financial institutions/hedge funds/whatever that want btc but don't want to purchase from a foreign exchange, guy on the street, etc

13:50:31 mircea_popescu: nubbins` so make a bitbet. "the announced price of the usms sale will be under market rate at that time"

13:50:41 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu i'd love to be the one reading those proposals

13:50:41 nubbins`: i just may

13:50:42 mircea_popescu: nubbins` so ?

13:50:52 mircea_popescu: !up veeminer

13:50:55 mircea_popescu: !up Vexual

13:51:09 nubbins`: so, now's their chance

13:51:15 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: is the auction not based on price alone?

13:51:26 mircea_popescu: nubbins` no, it's not.

13:51:27 bitcoinpete: "we promise to use these bitcoins to finance libraries for coindeskers"

13:51:35 mircea_popescu: fluffypony it's not bnased on th price at all. the fuck does the usg need 50mn

13:51:40 fluffypony: that's fucking retarded.

13:51:45 mircea_popescu: no it's not.

13:51:53 mircea_popescu: it's the usg laundering its ill gotten bitcoins.

13:51:57 bitcoinpete: "we promise to use these bitcoin to finance roads to hawaii"

13:51:58 fluffypony: no I don't mean from there perspective

13:51:59 mircea_popescu: through a "sale" to a "private" party.

13:52:20 nubbins`: ah

13:52:21 mircea_popescu: anyway, they'll announce it as somewhat under market.

13:52:33 mircea_popescu: sadly i have little avenue to bitchslap them

13:52:52 mircea_popescu: but i do suspect someone leaked teh d. series plans, because they've been moving before i said that.

13:53:14 Vexual: does d really mean discount?

13:53:19 bitcoinpete: so is that them diddling the "price" leading up to the auction?

13:53:19 mircea_popescu: (it's really the same thing, trying to use the propaganda machine to control btc via "news" of "sales")

13:53:28 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete doubt it.

13:53:54 bitcoinpete: a ok

13:54:15 mircea_popescu: just the usual mommentum traders getting raped yet again.

13:54:39 nubbins`: but if i don't hop on the train, i'll never travel

13:54:48 nubbins`: sure, it might be in the wrong direction, but hey

13:54:50 mircea_popescu: right-o.

13:55:04 nubbins`: i'm a part of this thing &c &c

13:55:27 davout: mircea_popescu: wrt to the d. series, in case of acquisition the asset becomes worthless, right?

13:56:01 mircea_popescu: davout that'll be a case by case basis.

13:56:11 mircea_popescu: if they do a reverse-ipo for instance it'll stick.

13:56:40 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu but i do suspect someone leaked teh d. series plans, because they've been moving before i said that. << can you explain "they've been moving?"

13:57:13 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete the "we're selling bitcoin" news manipulation went in days before the "i'm going to kill your "investment" news manipulation" announcement.

13:57:47 mircea_popescu: why not at any prior point for the past... year ?

13:57:47 bitcoinpete: a yes

13:58:03 bitcoinpete: there's room for coincidence

13:58:17 bitcoinpete: i mean, the number of people who knew about d.series

13:58:43 bitcoinpete: makes for a hard, but not impossible, pill to swallow

13:58:59 fluffypony: ????

13:59:01 mircea_popescu: traders talk. if they didn't, they couldn't trade. it's a complex beast.

14:00:50 bitcoinpete: to be sure

14:01:36 mircea_popescu: davout generally i might do something like "in case of acquisition by listed corp, you get the delta for the next 30 days"

14:01:36 bitcoinpete: i guess i didn't read the usg sale as propaganda-y

14:01:48 mircea_popescu: tho that's kinda dubious, but hey

14:02:08 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete bitcoin is war, you know.

14:02:19 Vexual: 30 mil pays some wages

14:02:42 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: nothing less. our mafia vs theirs

14:03:14 bitcoinpete: i guess it'd have to be 'ganda, or else they'd just keep their coins like a sane person

14:03:20 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/BfgSfq4

14:03:20 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:04:23 nubbins`: lel

14:04:25 nubbins`: "Mac Pro cold boots a Windows Server 2012 R2 Domain Controller in 3 seconds. Coffee keeps getting cold - no opportunity to take a sip."

14:05:02 mircea_popescu: anyone ever seriously ran a system in their history that took longer ?

14:05:11 mircea_popescu: i count to three and start throwing things

14:05:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://klassix.net/keith/Kindle%20Backup%202-20-11/documents/First%20Circle,%20The%20-%20Alexander%20Solzhenitsyn.txt << how bad a translation is this iyo ?

14:06:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.03 = 0.21 BTC [+]

14:07:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07070707 = 0.2121 BTC [+]

14:08:43 kakobrekla: >I like NastyMining due to how open and honest they are...for BTC securities that is refreshing. Will my shares make me ROI?? Probably not, but I am still pleased with them. Look around in this section and go troll the real scammers...k thanks!

14:08:50 kakobrekla: and this dude is voiced in this chan.

14:08:54 kakobrekla: clearly something is off.

14:09:04 fluffypony: lol

14:09:17 bitcoinpete: unvoice the heretic!

14:09:43 nubbins`: haha

14:09:45 kakobrekla: lampelina did you put stuff in my food?

14:09:52 nubbins`: "will my investment tank? yes, but who cares?"

14:11:02 bitcoinpete: nubbins`: with all this great violin music on the titanic...

14:11:06 nubbins`: mp, not everyone is running ms-dos ;(

14:11:11 nubbins`: hah

14:11:25 nubbins`: "other than that, mrs. lincoln, how was the play?"

14:12:31 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> and this dude is voiced in this chan. << whjo ?!

14:12:43 kakobrekla: *drumroll*

14:12:46 kakobrekla: Blazedout419

14:12:51 nubbins`: wat

14:12:55 nubbins`: ;;rated Blazedout419

14:12:56 gribble: You rated user Blazedout419 on Sun Mar 2 12:59:46 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: trusted trader.

14:13:06 mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 dude are you serious even ?!

14:13:28 nubbins`: it took me like 4 months to figure out what "nastyfans" was

14:13:37 nubbins`: "why would you pay money to be in this weird club?" etc

14:13:56 Vexual: not quite 420

14:13:56 kakobrekla: cause only 65% loss compared to the average of 99%

14:14:10 nubbins`: then i realized they were doing the careful-language-dance

14:14:14 mircea_popescu: nubbins` some random dork's odd approach to legal matters.

14:14:19 nubbins`: nod

14:14:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 50 @ 0.04 = 2 BTC [+]

14:14:29 mircea_popescu: anyway, whatever happened of nefario's buttbuddy, some chav running "red star mining" ?

14:14:30 nubbins`: if we don't CALL it shares in a mining security...

14:14:46 Vexual: hes dickslexical

14:15:11 nubbins`: they're still on the go

14:15:17 Vexual: the swede bought all his shit before he lab coined

14:15:19 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/oKK1OBf

14:15:20 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:15:29 pankkake: he got butthurd when i left him negative feedback for running a self moderated thread

14:15:29 nubbins`: ^ there's the ceo at a recent conference

14:15:57 Vexual: looks like zacdelasomeone

14:16:01 nubbins`: shhhh!!

14:16:10 nubbins`: ignore the drums too

14:16:26 nubbins`: concentrate on the large ASICs in the foreground

14:16:59 Vexual: oh i see it now nubbins`, and ive more money than before

14:17:02 nubbins`: nod

14:17:11 nubbins`: makes sense, yes?

14:17:13 Vexual: nod

14:17:29 mircea_popescu: <Vexual> the swede bought all his shit before he lab coined << how quaint.

14:18:03 nubbins`: god, i can't even remember what scam the swede was pushing

14:18:06 nubbins`: i should write this shit down

14:19:12 pankkake: he was the PR for Labcoin

14:19:18 nubbins`: riiiiiiiiiight

14:19:40 Vexual: prolly on cryptostocks now ? red star?

14:19:41 pankkake: but every good scam uses random forum users for PR

14:19:42 nubbins`: oh, in the meantime, i see charlie shrem is active on the forums again

14:19:49 kakobrekla: alberto armandi, one of the best.

14:19:50 ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/ ---- I love how everyone is acting like something can be done.

14:19:51 assbot: Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin

14:19:51 pankkake: Vexual: on the 796 exchange

14:19:58 Vexual: ah

14:21:37 pankkake: !up Vexual

14:21:39 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's whatreddit is for neh ? for people who can't do anything to pretend like they're doing things.

14:22:20 nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot Vexual

14:22:21 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never

14:23:10 nubbins`: hmm, this new death grips album features bjork on all the tracks

14:23:15 Vexual: ooh

14:23:25 nubbins`: yeah

14:23:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43150 @ 0.00081963 = 35.367 BTC [-] {2}

14:23:51 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDinXI0bxM&list=PL55Jv4fGPIb-L4Q2i2DGNWMI6fPh9MBUD

14:23:51 assbot: Death Grips - Up My Sleeves - YouTube

14:24:09 nubbins`: lel, there's a track called "have a sad cum"

14:24:12 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419

14:24:13 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013

14:24:16 nubbins`: AS IF I NEED TO BE TOLD D;

14:24:40 nubbins`: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Blazedout419

14:24:41 assbot: #bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph

14:24:52 mircea_popescu: nubbins` hm ?

14:25:05 nubbins`: just curious

14:25:17 nubbins`: for a sec i thought "wow, mp rated rg +10?"

14:25:44 nubbins`: then i lrnd 2 rd grafs

14:25:59 mircea_popescu: lol

14:26:38 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> davout so moar drama. /// you know what that means!

14:26:54 nubbins`: more testicles = more iron

14:26:56 nubbins`: more drama = ???

14:27:15 mircea_popescu: moar price! moons!

14:27:21 nubbins`: ah

14:27:27 nubbins`: this will wreak havoc on the tides

14:27:39 nubbins`: i'm glad my house is up the hill from the water

14:28:59 nubbins`: oh hey, fun fact: i'd have to fly west to visit argentina

14:29:10 artifexd: nubbins`: Awesome. Thanks!

14:29:17 nubbins`: thank YOU

14:29:30 artifexd: No. Thank YOU!

14:29:35 nubbins`: hmm

14:29:42 nubbins`: it seems we've reached a stalemate

14:29:47 *: nubbins` rattles sabre

14:29:52 artifexd: Thanks for everyone then.

14:30:48 mircea_popescu: no u

14:31:03 mircea_popescu: nubbins` west ?!

14:31:07 nubbins`: yup

14:31:24 nubbins`: https://www.google.ca/maps/place/St+John's,+NL/

14:31:24 assbot: St John's, NL - Google Maps

14:31:26 nubbins`: zoom out til you can see

14:31:33 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what time you got at m ?

14:31:34 bitcoinpete: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/06/13/wrongness-ok-and-not/

14:31:39 nubbins`: noon

14:31:49 mircea_popescu: you're not flying west or east then

14:32:05 nubbins`: not through time, no

14:32:06 nubbins`: but through space, yes

14:32:12 Vexual: well....

14:32:40 Vexual: you aint light either

14:32:54 mircea_popescu: wut ? lol

14:33:02 nubbins`: st john's is directly north of uruguay's easternmost border

14:33:02 mircea_popescu: if you're not leaving your timezone what west is that

14:33:19 mircea_popescu: usure you got those graphs ?

14:33:25 nubbins`: heh.

14:33:32 nubbins`: i'm definitely leaving my time zone

14:34:07 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_Time_Zone

14:34:07 assbot: Newfoundland Time Zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

14:34:13 mircea_popescu: "I have a steakhouse dinner tonight in honor of Eric Cantor with some business economists;"

14:34:31 mircea_popescu: dude the fucking bullshit habit of renaming stuff you were already gonna do.

14:34:43 nubbins`: hmm

14:34:44 nubbins`: http://www.fgienr.net/time-zone/fuseaux.gif

14:34:54 mircea_popescu: here's a news flash : if you're not having AN EXTRA dinner on top of your normal dinner, you're not having a dinner in honor of anybodyu

14:35:03 nubbins`: according to that, i'd be flying west and turning my watch forward

14:35:06 *: nubbins` scratches head

14:35:22 justusranvier: http://pastebin.com/74NURN3j

14:35:22 assbot: Exciting changes at BitAngels - an update on multiple fronts - Pastebin.com

14:35:22 mircea_popescu: just like some dorks that meet each friday for a beer attheir pub can't just put up a sign saying "bitcoin conference hackathon and miss universe contest"

14:35:30 Vexual: grand unified theory of where nubbns is

14:35:30 nubbins`: I have a steakhouse dinner tonight in honor of my hunger

14:35:40 mircea_popescu: and pretend like their alleged conference-hackathon-topless party attracted a huge crowd

14:36:28 nubbins`: Vexual: they even colored us grey on that map

14:36:29 wywialm: hello -assets

14:36:34 nubbins`: the color of honor and dignity

14:36:38 nubbins`: hi wyw

14:36:43 mircea_popescu: justusranvier no word about how "we're some contemptible pieces of shit that lied about things and were made a public mockery when the people we lied about never heard of us" ?

14:36:46 mircea_popescu: nice pr.

14:38:05 nubbins`: actually, funny coincidence

14:38:09 nubbins`: there's a town here called Argentia

14:38:13 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: lol "everyone was there!"

14:38:25 nubbins`: not to be confused with Argentina (unless you're a spell-check)

14:38:51 mircea_popescu: i guess since the dork in question can't gpg sign, i could make a pastebin too. let's have some fun

14:42:08 nubbins`: WOAH

14:42:21 nubbins`: so the violent lesbian who lives next door looks about 8 months pregnant

14:42:27 *: nubbins` scratches head

14:43:15 TomServo: I have a neighbor that's looked the same for about 2 years.

14:43:32 Vexual: cool story bro

14:43:43 nubbins`: maybe her baby petrified

14:43:44 nubbins`: i've heard of this

14:43:54 TomServo: Funnily enough, she proclaimed 'And I'm not pregnant' in the same breath she introduced herself.

14:45:15 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithopedion

14:45:16 assbot: Lithopedion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

14:45:17 Mats_cd03: divine insemination

14:45:24 Vexual: russia looks real big on that projection

14:45:50 nubbins`: lithopedia, the stone babies anyone can edit

14:46:04 nubbins`: greenland too

14:46:12 Mats_cd03: the antichrist needs 36 months to gestate

14:46:24 Vexual: yeah, thats an equatorialist map

14:46:27 ThickAsThieves: Nintendo won't add Twitch streaming to Wii U: 'What's fun about that?' --- Nintendo rox

14:46:41 nubbins`: nintendo, big on fun

14:46:47 nubbins`: i bought a wii u a couple weeks ago

14:47:05 Vexual: youve got about 5.5 months until it dies

14:47:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00082286 = 12.2195 BTC [+]

14:48:19 nubbins`: the baby?!

14:48:24 Vexual: consoles shoudnt have batteries

14:48:31 nubbins`: oh, the wii u

14:48:39 nubbins`: how else you gonna keep the clock running?

14:49:28 Vexual: the thing is quite obviously an aborted vr headset

14:50:16 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/WgTAmXTm

14:50:16 assbot: Exciting changes at BitAngels - an update on multiple fronts - Pastebin.com

14:50:18 mircea_popescu: there, much better.

14:50:22 nubbins`: all i know is mario kart 8 is fun ;(

14:50:38 Vexual: oooh

14:50:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 19 @ 0.04 = 0.76 BTC [+]

14:51:44 mircea_popescu: <TomServo> Funnily enough, she proclaimed 'And I'm not pregnant' in the same breath she introduced herself. << cirrhosis ?

14:51:50 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: lmao there we go

14:51:55 bitcoinpete: ficksed!

14:52:41 ThickAsThieves: not sure if i missed it, is mpif trading NMC now too?

14:53:18 nubbins`: lel @ tourists outside taking pictures of the row houses

14:53:22 nubbins`: !up Vexual

14:53:25 nubbins`: if only they knew

14:53:40 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves manager studying thepossibility.

14:54:35 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves you may find this interesting

14:54:51 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/5Fakoal

14:54:52 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:55:07 nubbins`: finally got an excuse to use silver ink

14:55:38 mircea_popescu: nubbins` btw,can you make me gold ink business cards?

14:55:45 ThickAsThieves: neat, i only ever did maybe two metallic ink projects

14:55:51 nubbins`: mircea_popescu of course

14:55:57 mircea_popescu: on kickass silk paper ?

14:56:01 ThickAsThieves: a jewelry gift bag, and a annual meeting invitation

14:56:06 nubbins`: how about kickass cotton paper?

14:56:13 mircea_popescu: silken finish ?

14:56:31 ThickAsThieves: mp make sure you are clear on the difference between metallic ink and foil embossed

14:56:32 nubbins`: ah, cotton finish?

14:56:45 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves im clueless. halp ?

14:56:58 nubbins`: foil embossed looks like gold leaf stuck to the paper

14:57:00 ThickAsThieves: ink looks like graphite basically

14:57:03 nubbins`: could shave in it

14:57:06 ThickAsThieves: foil looks like metal

14:57:20 nubbins`: i think i have pics of gold ink on cotton, one sec

14:57:30 mircea_popescu: ah that's what i want, foil embossed

14:57:34 ThickAsThieves: of course showing pics of metallic ink...

14:57:48 ThickAsThieves: doesnt get you much

14:57:59 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: please tell me you're working on a fraudsters post for the angels pastebin. if not, i'm on it

14:58:03 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so what does itdo ? just discretely sparkle ?

14:58:09 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete go for it

14:58:17 ThickAsThieves: yeah like a bit better than pencil lead

14:58:28 mircea_popescu: if i put the idiots on fraudsters that'd increase their "brand" by 10k%, just for a post.

14:58:46 mircea_popescu: i c. well thanks for that lol.

14:58:58 ThickAsThieves: it's neat looking on uncoated paper

14:59:01 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: booyah

14:59:04 ThickAsThieves: it's just not the same thing as foil

14:59:04 TomServo: mircea_popescu: It's a good possibility.

14:59:15 mircea_popescu: so nubbins` can you do foil embossed over paper that looks like i cut it out of a high class whore's bedsheets ?

14:59:33 ThickAsThieves: i should also note, i personally find foil to be supremely tacky

14:59:37 ThickAsThieves: so...

14:59:50 nubbins`: yeah, foil sucks

14:59:50 mircea_popescu: that's the point.

14:59:56 mircea_popescu: not when you're me.

14:59:56 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/XRhLDJs

14:59:56 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:59:56 nubbins`: ^ gold ink

15:00:20 mircea_popescu: ah tjat's not so bad

15:00:20 nubbins`: it shimmers

15:00:25 mircea_popescu: way better than just some graphite.

15:00:30 mircea_popescu: nubbins` got a foil one anywhere ?

15:00:37 ThickAsThieves: yeah the gold ink does come off better than the silver

15:00:37 nubbins`: we're not set up for foil

15:00:47 ThickAsThieves: embossing is nice too

15:00:54 mircea_popescu: i see. okay! so why are there two "colors" of gold ?

15:01:02 nubbins`: that's the light shining off it

15:01:06 ThickAsThieves: cause it's metallic

15:01:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how bad a translation is this iyo << acceptable translation. (had occasion to read original quite recently.)

15:01:24 mircea_popescu: i mean the blank seems to have a margin around it

15:01:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ty

15:01:40 nubbins`: ah yes yes

15:01:45 ThickAsThieves: oh that's just at 50% coverage or such

15:01:55 nubbins`: that's a solid border with halftone dots in the middle

15:01:57 mircea_popescu: nubbins` so do you have muy luxurious paper ?

15:01:58 davout: mircea_popescu: "there, much better." <<< nice

15:02:21 nubbins`: mircea_popescu our go-to cotton paper is stonehenge 250gsm, nice and thick, used by steadman, vonnegut, etc

15:02:43 mircea_popescu: is it pale pale pink ?

15:02:48 mircea_popescu: like boiled in cuntwater ?

15:02:51 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:02:53 nubbins`: heh

15:03:08 nubbins`: we generally buy "cream" which can look pinkish in some lights

15:03:19 mircea_popescu: but can you buy cuntish, which looks pinkish in all lights ?

15:03:28 ThickAsThieves: you can print cuntish

15:03:32 nubbins`: ^

15:03:37 mircea_popescu: how's that work ?

15:03:40 nubbins`: stonehenge doesn't come in cuntish

15:03:49 Vexual: mad foldin on the back

15:03:49 ThickAsThieves: you flood print the whole sheet

15:03:50 mircea_popescu: nubbins` got anything that does ?

15:03:51 nubbins`: but we could just print a light pink base laye

15:04:01 nubbins`: r

15:04:04 mircea_popescu: i c

15:04:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00082358 = 11.2007 BTC [+] {2}

15:04:12 mircea_popescu: but is this stonehedge shiny ?

15:04:26 ThickAsThieves: metallic on shiny is not good

15:04:41 nubbins`: nope, coated (shiny) papers don't print well

15:04:44 nubbins`: hmm

15:04:48 nubbins`: now, we can get black cotton paper

15:04:52 mircea_popescu: hm

15:04:58 mircea_popescu: black is not bad.

15:04:59 nubbins`: looks pretty rich

15:05:17 mircea_popescu: ok, make me 100 black 100 floodprinted pale cunt color ? how do i give you the face ?

15:05:39 nubbins`: vector format is best

15:05:43 nubbins`: .ai, .pdf. .eps

15:05:48 nubbins`: .svg, even

15:05:50 mircea_popescu: what dpi you got ?

15:05:57 nubbins`: all the dpi

15:06:07 mircea_popescu: lol all the dpi. what px size is the card ?

15:06:13 nubbins`: this is silkscreen, dpi is for digital prints ;D

15:06:31 nubbins`: 300dpi if you're including bitmaps

15:06:46 mircea_popescu: ;;google business card size

15:06:47 gribble: How Big is a Standard Size Business Card? - Desktop Publishing: http://desktoppub.about.com/od/businesscards/f/What-Is-The-Size-Of-A-Standard-Business-Card.htm; Business Card Sizes « Designers Toolbox: http://designerstoolbox.com/designresources/businesscards/; Business card - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_card

15:06:48 Vexual: .corel

15:06:50 nubbins`: if it's just shapes/text, size doesn't really matter

15:07:05 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's just text but i use obscure fonts :D

15:07:08 nubbins`: oic

15:07:19 nubbins`: convert 'em to shapes / outlines :D

15:07:23 nubbins`: (i do too)

15:07:41 nubbins`: in inkscape, Path > Object to path

15:07:45 mircea_popescu: so 1050 x 600 px good for you ?

15:07:52 nubbins`: sure

15:07:55 mircea_popescu: cool.

15:08:24 mircea_popescu: what's a 100 cost ?

15:08:47 Vexual: 100? save some til next conference, i want one

15:09:12 ThickAsThieves: 100 costs same as 1000 probly

15:09:34 ThickAsThieves: a black on gold design i did once: http://imgur.com/rPXbIyZ

15:09:34 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

15:09:42 ThickAsThieves: gold on black...

15:09:50 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves not bad

15:10:06 ThickAsThieves: she wanted olde timey

15:10:49 nubbins`: nice

15:11:09 nubbins`: let me see

15:11:58 nubbins`: 100 black + 100 pussy pink would run ya about $160

15:12:11 nubbins`: per-unit cost decreases dramatically with larger orders, of course

15:12:12 mircea_popescu: and 1k each ?

15:12:39 ThickAsThieves: "It's with great excitement that we unveil the new Bitcoin.com, a user-friendly resource that shows how to acquire, store and spend your bitcoins." http://www.bitcoin.com/

15:12:40 assbot: Bitcoin.com

15:12:45 nubbins`: $400

15:13:14 ThickAsThieves: so basically bitcoin.com has been marketized

15:13:21 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves basically.

15:13:32 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you ever shipped anything to argentina before ?

15:13:33 ThickAsThieves: it's partner logos

15:13:35 ThickAsThieves: yay

15:13:50 ThickAsThieves: and very american

15:14:16 nubbins`: not that i can recall

15:14:17 mircea_popescu: lol

15:14:24 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i wonder how long it takes

15:14:35 nubbins`: airmail, maybe a week or two

15:14:42 nubbins`: surface, maybe 4-6 weeks

15:15:09 mircea_popescu: ;/

15:15:20 nubbins`: xpresspost, within a week

15:15:39 nubbins`: all guesswork here :D

15:15:45 mircea_popescu: ima have to see if there's a local solution

15:15:51 ThickAsThieves: you could always run the job through 4over.com, the paper wouldnt be quite as nice, but few would notic

15:16:01 nubbins`: it's definitely cheaper to get cards done locally

15:16:05 ThickAsThieves: they have 16pt uncoated and do metallics

15:16:09 Vexual: bueos airies gets planes muy times day

15:16:12 nubbins`: vistaprint makes 'em for what, 7 cents each?

15:16:15 thestringpuller: ah price drp

15:16:15 thestringpuller: op

15:16:19 thestringpuller: wow lag

15:16:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 143 @ 0.00221413 = 0.3166 BTC [-] {12}

15:16:26 Vexual: how long does the moose take?

15:16:39 nubbins`: Vexual, about 3 hours in a stew

15:16:44 nubbins`: quicker for sausages

15:16:44 ThickAsThieves: the average mammal takes 21secs to pee

15:16:53 Vexual: lol

15:17:07 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i dunno, prolly will be more expensive locally, cause they got hsit for tech

15:17:12 mircea_popescu: but it won't liklely be two weeks.

15:17:14 nubbins`: ahh

15:17:15 mircea_popescu: or so i hope.

15:17:18 mircea_popescu: tho with these people...

15:17:21 Vexual: and smaller

15:17:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 157 @ 0.00208151 = 0.3268 BTC [-] {5}

15:17:27 nubbins`: yeah, i mean, it'd take us two weeks just to get the paper and print the cards

15:17:49 nubbins`: up-side is that you look like a baller handing out hand-printed business cards

15:18:13 mircea_popescu: maybe eventually, but i'll have to be handing out somethingmeanwhile.

15:18:18 nubbins`: nod

15:18:23 nubbins`: man gotta have cards

15:18:31 thestringpuller: developers are offloading

15:18:45 nubbins`: developers hold btc?

15:18:46 nubbins`: ;)

15:18:51 thestringpuller: lolol i kno rite?

15:19:44 nubbins`: i wonder will goat ever get around to getting his certs printed

15:19:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they got hsit for tech << speaking of which, know of any civilized electronics plants in Ar?

15:20:52 mircea_popescu: nope.

15:20:53 thestringpuller: Arkansas?

15:20:59 thestringpuller: oh Argentina lol

15:21:16 asciilifeform: L-kansas.

15:22:33 nubbins`: now, if you're getting printed shit shipped to you, might as well go full-throttle, order up some mpex propaganda posters, get one of your staff to go around wheatpasting them in the financial district

15:22:49 davout: asciilifeform: lol

15:22:57 diametric: asciilifeform: my friend johnny is still interested, when I met with him in DC recently and he told me about his new pnp machine, said he was interested.

15:23:02 mircea_popescu: im not much interested in advertising on the street in argentina tho

15:23:09 diametric: asciilifeform: we could go visit it anytime as well.

15:23:29 diametric: Rather I should rephrase, I have a standing invite to visit ultimachine whenever I want, I could bring you with

15:23:37 nubbins`: !up Vexual

15:24:05 asciilifeform: diametric: neato. probably should get a quote first, don't wanna waste his time

15:24:12 nubbins`: street advertising is very effective with the right message

15:24:27 nubbins`: doesn't argentina have crazy capital controls?

15:25:25 thestringpuller: nubbins`: I want a shirt

15:26:58 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it does, yes.

15:27:06 mircea_popescu: effective, in what sense ?

15:28:58 nubbins`: thestringpuller:

15:29:04 nubbins`: ;;echo 25/[ticker --last]

15:29:04 gribble: 25/ 591.94

15:29:10 nubbins`: WAT

15:29:38 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: effective in that it can make people think about, or do, things they wouldn't otherwise

15:30:01 nubbins`: ;;calc 25/[ticker --last]

15:30:03 gribble: 0.0424448217317

15:30:18 nubbins`: thestringpuller: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG

15:30:40 peterl: just got my first betbet refferal payment today

15:30:47 Vexual: didn't mp ask someone to poster wall st?

15:30:58 peterl: I wonder how much referal money I missed before the time thing got fixed?

15:31:03 thestringpuller: nubbins`: does that include shipping? I'm technically international

15:31:15 nubbins`: yep, shipping included

15:31:51 mircea_popescu: peterl how much was it ?

15:32:09 peterl: like 0.5 mB

15:32:19 mircea_popescu: and how long ago was it fixed ? coupla months ?

15:32:27 mircea_popescu: how long had you been advertising it ?

15:32:34 mircea_popescu: if you've not changed much just multiply those two

15:32:37 peterl: I think I started in January?

15:32:46 mircea_popescu: so like 1mb ?

15:33:03 peterl: yeah, scammer you all ripped me off! ;)

15:40:43 nubbins`: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/7156/125/

15:40:45 assbot: Michael Geist - Supreme Court Delivers Huge Victory for Internet Privacy & Blows Away Gov't Plans for Reform

15:45:28 Vexual: Adieu

15:45:41 nubbins`: "The court notes that ISPs are not required to disclose this information and this case reaches the conclusion that they are not permitted to do so absent a warrant either."

15:48:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 95 @ 0.042 = 3.99 BTC

15:50:30 ThickAsThieves: get dat SHA

15:51:07 mircea_popescu: yay card design ready

15:51:45 nubbins`: let's take a peek!

15:53:13 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/if-youre-one-of-the-numerous-buenos-aires-printing-shops-ill-be-harassing-over-the-day/

15:53:14 assbot: If you’re one of the numerous Buenos Aires printing shops I’ll be harassing over the day pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:53:57 asciilifeform: lol

15:54:02 asciilifeform: somehow i expected exactly this picture

15:54:19 nubbins`: heh

15:54:21 ThickAsThieves: lol, pink or otherwise black paper

15:54:30 mircea_popescu: :D

15:54:33 ThickAsThieves: that design is hideous

15:54:53 ThickAsThieves: ah it's all squished in your blog

15:55:25 nubbins`: art deco is the new modern

15:55:32 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wellyeah

15:55:36 asciilifeform: i'd use something readable for the fp

15:55:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform its not readable ?

15:55:54 asciilifeform: say, c64 bitmap font

15:56:03 mircea_popescu: mthreat care to recommend a print shop that can print gold leaf/ink ?

15:56:04 davout: comic sans

15:56:09 ThickAsThieves: well at least you didnt use helvetica

15:56:16 mircea_popescu: how the hell is it not readable

15:56:24 mircea_popescu: these are like the most distinct glyphs ever

15:56:34 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's been the new modern since what, the 20s ?

15:56:41 mthreat: mircea_popescu: i don't know, haven't printed anything like biz cards yet here

15:56:46 davout: which 20s?

15:56:48 davout: :D

15:56:50 mircea_popescu: :D

15:56:51 mthreat: the "8" looks like a snowman

15:57:13 nubbins`: heh

15:57:32 mthreat: but i hope you go in asking for cunt-colored pink

15:57:49 mircea_popescu: howdo you even say cunt in this language

15:57:52 mthreat: i think the word is "concha" but i'd have to ask around

15:57:56 nubbins`: ^

15:57:59 los_pantalones: y

15:57:59 mthreat: as in "concha de tu madre"

15:58:07 mircea_popescu: color cono ?

15:58:19 nubbins`: Gotham would be a better font for a text-only card like this

15:58:35 mircea_popescu: nubbins` how;s it text only ?

15:58:54 nubbins`: glyphs only ;D

15:59:05 mircea_popescu: mthreat i think concha is polite, like cock.

15:59:28 mircea_popescu: we should go for "fuckstick" or stay home.

15:59:55 Mats_cd03: working on someone else's code _and_ having to learn a ui api is a pain in the ass

15:59:56 los_pantalones: rosado de cono

15:59:57 asciilifeform: fuckport.

16:00:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87529984 BTC to 8`768 shares, 21388 satoshi per share

16:00:12 mthreat: ah ya, looks like "freenode:#bitcoin-otc:4f43a6b3445b9a5aa6bcf173034b7962187151aef339d6f4e604160b

16:00:16 mthreat: oops

16:00:19 mthreat: damn pbcopy

16:00:38 nubbins`: cañón salmón

16:01:25 nubbins`: billetera de jamon?

16:01:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you want gold leaf, have these... pcb etched.

16:01:33 mircea_popescu: lmao

16:01:36 nubbins`: ooo

16:01:47 mircea_popescu: and so i go around with a bag for 100 cards?

16:01:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seriously. spec for thinnest flex-leaf pcb

16:02:22 asciilifeform: they'll be roughly the thichness of 2 or 3 ordinary cardboards.

16:03:20 ThickAsThieves: http://cdn.instructables.com/FXV/180S/GQ5PYP4P/FXV180SGQ5PYP4P.MEDIUM.jpg

16:03:35 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: specifically not this

16:03:58 nubbins`: haha

16:04:06 nubbins`: but it's so classy

16:04:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe you should spec for a pcb

16:04:38 asciilifeform: http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/d/adafruit-flex-perma-proto.png

16:04:42 mircea_popescu: S.NSA CTO

16:04:55 davout: buy buy buy

16:05:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll stuff it in a gerber for you, if you can crank up the minimal line thickness to 0.2mm

16:05:09 xmj: ThickAsThieves: some company at EuroBSDcon last year had 3.5" floppies as 'business cards'

16:05:11 davout: has a fetch for old computers

16:05:14 davout: sell sell sell

16:05:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i saw cut cds at sdome point

16:05:44 asciilifeform: they're likely to cost ~$5 each, though.

16:05:48 asciilifeform: depending on where baked.

16:06:36 asciilifeform: no bag needed if you thread a rope through the holes.

16:07:21 benkay: uh oh, biglog

16:07:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/if-youre-one-of-the-numerous-buenos-aires-printing-shops-ill-be-harassing-over-the-day/

16:07:48 nubbins`: hang them on your belt

16:07:51 nubbins`: right next to your onions

16:07:56 mircea_popescu: lol

16:08:00 mircea_popescu: and youyr trusted hammer

16:09:14 asciilifeform: not a bad way to cement a reputation for madness

16:14:11 *: asciilifeform wonders who the first bozo with scratch-off btc business cards will be

16:17:39 nubbins`: haha

16:17:40 nubbins`: not bad

16:23:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00082276 = 24.6828 BTC [-]

16:35:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/13/bitangels-the-loudest-noise-you-never-did-hear/

16:36:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2215 = 0.886 BTC [-]

16:38:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34343 @ 0.00081994 = 28.1592 BTC [-] {2}

16:39:04 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete lol note 7 makes it.

16:39:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 33 @ 0.0038 = 0.1254 BTC [-]

16:44:20 benkay: <kakobrekla> >I like NastyMining due to how open and honest they are...for BTC securities that is refreshing. Will my shares make me ROI?? Probably not, but I am still pleased with them. Look around in this section and go troll the real scammers...k thanks! // who is this?

16:44:27 benkay: mhm

16:44:34 benkay: ^^ wrong window

16:44:59 benkay: ah nm found it

16:46:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2215 BTC [-]

16:47:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.221 BTC [-]

16:49:21 Blazedout419: oh here we go

16:49:27 Blazedout419: he is trolling it

16:49:55 Blazedout419: benkay that was me

16:50:02 Blazedout419: gotta run though


16:50:22 benkay: have a good day

16:50:36 Blazedout419: OK FLAME ME LATER

16:54:39 danielpbarron: ;;rated Blazedout419

16:54:40 gribble: You rated user Blazedout419 on Sun May 4 23:13:39 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: doesn't understand the WoT; don't trust this user's ratings.

16:58:12 pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/search-engine-duckduckgo-now-lets-users-check-bitcoin-balances/ ah nice. it used to return nonsensical results

16:58:12 assbot: Search Engine DuckDuckGo Now Lets Users Check Bitcoin Balances

16:58:17 mike_c: ;;rate BingoBoingo 3 mpif manager, decent gambler, good blogger.

16:58:19 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.

16:59:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00081949 = 17.3732 BTC [-] {2}

17:02:30 TheNewDeal: decent gambler... nice

17:06:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22013973 BTC [-]

17:10:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00082345 = 27.0915 BTC [+] {4}

17:17:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07070707 = 0.3535 BTC [+]

17:18:44 nubbins`: oh god, this coffee

17:19:01 nubbins`: first decent cup i've had in months

17:20:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07070707 = 0.2828 BTC [+]

17:31:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: devils come to tempt you: http://imgur.com/DaZyTPg,MfVbeHG,0tCxX1m#0

17:31:40 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

17:35:03 TheNewDeal: asciilifeform that was a sweet graphic

17:35:11 TheNewDeal: did you make that?

17:35:26 asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: aye. 5 minutes of wank

17:36:21 asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: it's a snapshot of gerber mask. if he's crazy enough he could send this out for fab.

17:36:38 TheNewDeal: gerber mask?

17:37:02 asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: pcb photo positives

17:37:12 TheNewDeal: ahhh

17:37:37 Naphex: hey o/

17:37:40 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 797 @ 0.00226585 = 1.8059 BTC [+]

17:38:00 asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: well he did say 'no you draw it'

17:39:39 asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: rope (or keyring, whatever) through the borehole on upper left hand corner.

17:40:33 asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: he did say 'can anyone make gold leaf on black' - sure. now he can.

17:48:01 thestringpuller: nubbins`: you still here sorry I went to lunch I have the payment ready

17:48:22 nubbins`: yah, did you see the address?

17:48:35 *: nubbins` scrolls back

17:49:50 nubbins`: ;;calc 25/[ticker --last]

17:49:52 gribble: 0.0432226832642

17:49:59 nubbins`: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG

17:50:08 nubbins`: pm me size/address when you're ready

17:50:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 95 @ 0.02998722 = 2.8488 BTC [-] {2}

17:58:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22969 @ 0.00081805 = 18.7898 BTC [-]

18:00:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 130.74760208 BTC to 77`492 shares, 168724 satoshi per share

18:00:46 decimation: "fluffypony: when decimation said "test" they weren't voiced, or was my client just being weird" << I actually sent "gpg unauth" to gribble before sending "test"

18:01:05 decimation: sorry if that messed with you, I was trying to see if I would be auto-kicked; apparently not

18:03:51 danielpbarron: nubbins`, I want one too!

18:04:05 danielpbarron: oh, NOW gribble messages me

18:09:22 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

18:09:25 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 580.78, Best ask: 580.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 580.99, 24 hour volume: 36038.91241980, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 619.0, 24 hour vwap: 584.833373188

18:15:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.0708 = 1.2744 BTC [+]

18:20:58 benkay: http://imgur.com/8565LBS

18:20:58 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

18:25:08 nubbins`: i think gribs waits til you speak to deliver your messages

18:26:29 nubbins`: danielpbarron: got it, thanks

18:30:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00081875 = 27.8375 BTC [+] {3}

18:33:58 nubbins`: benkay hahahahahahah

18:38:11 benkay: hey has anyone done any work estimating mining returns with infinite series?

18:38:35 benkay: monte carlo all the butts...

18:39:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0302497 = 0.3025 BTC [+]

18:39:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00082088 = 20.9324 BTC [+]

18:41:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00082242 = 16.2839 BTC [+] {2}

18:46:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.03025 = 1.0588 BTC [+]

18:46:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26676 @ 0.00081709 = 21.7967 BTC [-] {3}

18:50:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07079 = 0.2832 BTC [+]

18:52:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8667 @ 0.00082367 = 7.1387 BTC [+] {2}

19:03:28 Blazedout419: [12:54pm] <+danielpbarron> ;;rated Blazedout419

19:03:33 Blazedout419: lol your ratings are a joke

19:03:44 Blazedout419: so far down my list

19:04:17 kakobrekla: o look

19:04:21 kakobrekla: its the forum investor

19:04:25 Blazedout419: ;;ratingsystem getrating danielpbarron

19:04:25 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net . User danielpbarron, rated since Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013. Cumulative rating 14, from 19 total ratings. Received ratings: 15 positive, 4 negative. Sent ratings: 61 positive, 11 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron

19:04:37 Blazedout419: oh look I bought shares a year ago who cares

19:04:48 Blazedout419: a whopping 1.5 BTC worth

19:04:54 kakobrekla: skinkavaj is that you?

19:05:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0708 = 1.416 BTC [+]

19:05:13 Blazedout419: no idea what that means

19:05:25 Blazedout419: what amazing service do you run

19:05:25 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:05:36 kakobrekla: indeed

19:05:50 Blazedout419: I just mine..not invest so

19:06:00 Blazedout419: I do like to keep an eye on this stuff though

19:06:13 mike_c: hah! get it? what AMAZING bot does kako run?

19:06:20 mike_c: aw. assbot fail. amazing.

19:06:20 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:06:30 kakobrekla: :)

19:07:01 TomServo: ;;gettrust Blazedout419 assbot

19:07:01 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Blazedout419 to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Blazedout419&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014

19:07:16 Blazedout419: derp

19:07:24 kakobrekla: Blazedout419 you are barley making sense

19:07:37 kakobrekla: on the one hand you claim you are not an investor yet 'invested' only x amount

19:07:44 Blazedout419: 1 investment

19:07:47 kakobrekla: then that x amount barely counts as an investment

19:07:52 kakobrekla: so which is it

19:07:55 Blazedout419: 1.5 bitcoins

19:08:07 Blazedout419: I like to watch the securities though

19:08:23 Blazedout419: it amuses me how people keep buying them with the same result over and over

19:08:32 Blazedout419: Nasty is atleast honest

19:08:37 kakobrekla: lol

19:08:38 Blazedout419: unlike most of the ones I see

19:08:42 Blazedout419: like icedrill

19:08:46 Blazedout419: that is a train wreck

19:09:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00082029 = 14.4781 BTC [-]

19:09:19 Blazedout419: how is nasty a scam...I must be dense to not see it

19:09:26 kakobrekla: you must be.

19:09:30 Blazedout419: enlighten the dumb folks

19:09:46 kakobrekla: no.

19:09:57 Blazedout419: so aka you just troll with no back up

19:09:59 Blazedout419: got it

19:10:35 Apocalyptic: i don't think kako's trolling

19:10:44 Blazedout419: then tell me why it is a scam

19:10:58 kakobrekla: tell me how is it not

19:11:00 Blazedout419: has it made good priofit = no

19:11:00 benkay: <kakobrekla> Blazedout419 you are barley making sense // wheat are you going on about

19:11:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 617 @ 0.00082238 = 0.5074 BTC [+]

19:11:15 Blazedout419: <+benkay> <kakobrekla> Blazedout419 you are barley making sense // wheat are you going on about

19:11:29 []bot: Bet placed: 3.5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/776/ Odds: 35(Y):65(N) by coin, 39(Y):61(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.48541412 BTC. Current weight: 64,854.

19:11:41 TheNewDeal: yuppp

19:11:47 Blazedout419: indeed

19:12:12 Namworld: Assuming it offers X for Y and delivers X for Y, even if X for Y is a bad proposition... it's not really a scam if it delivers exactly what someone bought.

19:12:29 Namworld: Not sure about Nasty, no clue of the specifics.

19:12:37 benkay: did it roi at all?

19:12:44 Blazedout419: not for me

19:12:47 benkay: all i know is that ognasty was a hxc pirate shill

19:12:49 Blazedout419: but that does not make it a scam

19:13:05 benkay: ;;gettrust ognasty

19:13:05 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user ognasty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=ognasty | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ognasty | Rated since: Sat Sep 1 22:15:19 2012

19:13:08 Blazedout419: everything is public with them

19:13:09 kakobrekla: ognasty is some retarded pothead with no clue about clue

19:13:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0708 = 0.708 BTC [+]

19:13:23 Blazedout419: kakobrekla how is it a scam

19:13:25 benkay: who runs nastymining?

19:13:32 Blazedout419: not profitable yes scam = how?

19:13:39 kakobrekla: Blazedout419 exercise for alert reader.

19:13:39 Blazedout419: OgNasty does

19:13:44 danielpbarron: <+Blazedout419> lol your ratings are a joke << the reason I queried my rating of you was to show that I had given you a -1 long before it was discovered that you somehow had enough +1's to get voice in here (as in, not my fault)

19:14:08 Blazedout419: I am a good trader...why is it surprising

19:14:12 Blazedout419: I am honest

19:14:13 Namworld: Well could you all do me a favor and vote on this poll? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650783.0

19:14:13 assbot: [POLL] Coinroll Color Scheme

19:14:32 danielpbarron: Blazedout419, because you are stupid, and stupid is generally not given voice in here

19:14:37 Blazedout419: lol

19:14:43 Blazedout419: go thump more bibles

19:14:43 kakobrekla: its true.

19:14:59 Blazedout419: yeah I am dumb because you say something is a scam with no proof

19:15:06 Blazedout419: just explain the scam part

19:15:19 Blazedout419: not asking for much here

19:15:28 danielpbarron: idk enough about this latest thing, but you are stupid because you don't understand the WoT (according to my rating)

19:15:54 Blazedout419: your rating carries 0 weight

19:15:59 TheNewDeal: oh my gosh. can't believe someone just bet both sides on the bastille day bet with a weight of like 150

19:16:33 danielpbarron: some of my -1s actually prevent users from having voice in here, so i wouldn't call that "0 weight"

19:16:49 Blazedout419: you just spam +1's for no reason

19:17:08 Blazedout419: anyways i do not care about you or your ratings

19:17:13 benkay: Blazedout419: it's a scam in the same way all mining things are scams.

19:17:19 benkay: buy also you're getting trolled hard.

19:17:22 benkay: but*

19:17:24 Blazedout419: indeed

19:17:38 Blazedout419: its just a non profitable mining

19:17:42 asciilifeform: ;;rate Blazedout419 -10 sp4mz0r

19:17:43 Blazedout419: not a scam

19:17:43 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Blazedout419 has been recorded.

19:17:46 Blazedout419: lol

19:17:50 Blazedout419: oh noes

19:18:29 Blazedout419: now that is a perfect example of someone who does not understand the WoT

19:19:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07018809 = 1.4739 BTC [-] {3}

19:19:24 benkay: nobody understands the wot ffs

19:19:28 benkay: it's got emergent behavior

19:19:36 benkay: actors and shit

19:19:56 benkay: 'agents'

19:20:03 Blazedout419: -10 for a convo he has nothing to do with

19:20:07 Blazedout419: lol

19:21:07 danielpbarron: he apparently doesn't trust you; I wouldn't go as far as to give a -10, but that's just me

19:21:15 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419

19:21:15 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013

19:21:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0698667 = 0.2096 BTC [-] {2}

19:21:44 benkay: Blazedout419: i assume asciilifeform wants to shut you up.

19:21:48 danielpbarron: need 2 more to -1 him :p

19:21:48 Blazedout419: ah

19:22:09 danielpbarron: the -10 is limited to a -1 because assbot only gave out +1s

19:24:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0695 = 0.139 BTC [-]

19:27:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07 = 1.47 BTC [+]

19:27:59 danielpbarron: lol, asciilifeform just picked up a few more enemies from the gaggle of -otc idiots

19:28:11 asciilifeform: ;;rate Ssateneth -10 sockmuppet

19:28:12 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Ssateneth has been recorded.

19:28:27 asciilifeform: ;;rate TheButterZone -10 sockmuppet

19:28:29 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user TheButterZone has been recorded.

19:28:36 danielpbarron: TBZ is like "nope i don't see it in -otc so it must not have happened"

19:29:27 asciilifeform: lol

19:30:23 benkay: who do S and T sock for?

19:30:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00081644 = 5.7151 BTC [-] {2}

19:30:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+]

19:30:33 benkay: or is this some advanced trolling that's miles above my head

19:30:55 pankkake: I hate those "cry to mommy" ratings

19:31:05 Blazedout419: i never said a word

19:31:11 Blazedout419: they saw ratings and sent back

19:31:12 danielpbarron: <+Ssateneth> he needs one more neg rate and he wont be able to rate people << is this true?

19:31:18 Blazedout419: yes

19:31:35 Blazedout419: all depends on your rating to nano

19:31:40 pankkake: now that's actual rating abuse

19:31:51 kakobrekla: lol well this is fun

19:31:53 danielpbarron: ;;gettrust nanotube asciilifeform

19:31:53 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-53-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=asciilifeform | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=asciilifeform | Rated since: Sun Sep 15 00:06:51 2013

19:31:58 Apocalyptic: danielpbarron, some people have the power to prevent others from rating, yes

19:32:04 midnightmagic: your transitive rating to nano at a certain level, correct. without trust from nanotube you can't rate.

19:32:13 Blazedout419: indeed

19:32:27 Blazedout419: i didnt even spam here is the silly part

19:32:35 Blazedout419: was asking 1 person about a forum post

19:32:38 Apocalyptic: midnightmagic, what's being evaluated is rating from someone in nano's direct trust

19:33:33 midnightmagic: yeah, nanotube never put much stock in L3 trust.

19:33:42 midnightmagic: So, L2 in buddy's case there.

19:34:49 pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot Ssateneth

19:34:50 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Ssateneth!ident@unaffiliated/ssateneth. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Ssateneth: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Ssateneth | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Ssateneth | Rated since: Fri Jul 13 00:36:40 2012

19:34:56 assbot: Ssateneth +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

19:35:07 danielpbarron: ;;rated Ssateneth

19:35:07 gribble: You have not yet rated user Ssateneth

19:35:10 Blazedout419: !up Ssateneth

19:35:22 midnightmagic: Ah I'd forgottent hat syntax. Thanks.

19:35:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00081643 = 25.5543 BTC [-]

19:35:36 Ssateneth: So what sort of shenanigans is going on in here.

19:35:58 Blazedout419: not much i got negrated for asking a question about a forum post is all

19:36:00 pankkake: so you rated asciilifeform without knowing?

19:36:04 Blazedout419: for abuse

19:36:11 Ssateneth: I looked at the http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/

19:36:12 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

19:36:12 pankkake: but how did he know?

19:36:16 pankkake: isn't that, you know, abuse

19:36:22 Ssateneth: and saw a discussion. No samming. no flooding, nothing.

19:37:00 danielpbarron: Ssateneth, i'm pretty sure your rating was put in *before* i linked you to the -assets logs

19:37:49 Ssateneth: Just saw some random leave a -10 for "sp4mz0r" which, in itself, sounds ridiculous for a -10, especially with no solid proof in the rating.

19:38:05 Ssateneth: Then i checked to make sure it was unwarranted and I was correct.

19:38:22 danielpbarron: well if you weren't such a nobody, you'd know that asciilifeform is not "some random"

19:39:20 pankkake: I'm pretty sure organizing mass negrates is abusive behavior

19:39:28 Blazedout419: who organized anything

19:39:41 midnightmagic: just hug it out, everyone will feel better. :)

19:39:41 Blazedout419: they saw it and knew i dont spam

19:39:57 midnightmagic: +1 oxytocin

19:40:08 Blazedout419: hehe

19:40:38 *: asciilifeform remembers turning on light in kitchen in old flat, middle of night, all the creepy crawlies came out

19:40:42 Ssateneth: I'm looking at the log though. I see a discussion abotu somethign about 1.5 BTC worth fo shares bought a year ago, and stuff about other securities being scams or not.

19:41:31 asciilifeform: http://www.informnny.com/media/lib/21/1/3/6/136dce14-6c04-4957-90df-44bb8c6c8190/Story.jpg

19:41:31 Blazedout419: whatever im over it...just dont ask in this chan I guess

19:41:33 danielpbarron: Ssateneth, what flies in -otc doesn't necessarily fly in -assets

19:42:08 Ssateneth: Then someone who wasnt even involved in the discussion comes out of nowhere and -10's with the reason "sp4mz0r" which in itself sounds pretty immature. If it was something like "Spamming in #bitcoin-assets: http://pastebin.com/blahblah" then I probably would have left it alone.

19:42:09 assbot: Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID

19:42:27 asciilifeform: ;;rate Blazedout419 -10 spamming in #bitcoin-assets.

19:42:27 Apocalyptic: dat drama

19:42:28 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Blazedout419 has changed from -10 to -10.

19:42:32 danielpbarron: lol

19:42:33 TomServo: lol

19:42:35 pankkake: this is probably the first example of the wot for +v selection failing

19:42:52 pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419

19:42:53 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013

19:42:58 danielpbarron: it's easy to see who to blame ^

19:43:01 pankkake: doesn't change anything if you -10

19:43:24 asciilifeform: ;;rate Blazedout419 -1 spamming in #bitcoin-assets.

19:43:26 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Blazedout419 has changed from -10 to -1.

19:43:32 Ssateneth: ;;unrate asciilifeform

19:43:34 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for asciilifeform.

19:43:36 asciilifeform: pankkake: ty

19:43:52 asciilifeform: ;;unrate Ssateneth

19:43:53 Ssateneth: Thats more reasonable. I have no qualms with that.

19:43:53 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for Ssateneth.

19:44:24 kakobrekla: well this worked out nice well. now just to get nubbins and Apocalyptic to unrate ;>

19:44:36 kakobrekla: nice and well.

19:44:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07 = 0.98 BTC [+]

19:44:53 Ssateneth: To me, -10 is lke "this guy has definately stolen people's money, and is definately a scumbag you don't want to live near because he'll probably break into your home and steal your valuables" :P

19:44:59 Apocalyptic: kako, you forgot nanotube too

19:45:31 Ssateneth: Anywho, take care, and stuff.

19:45:39 kakobrekla: we will!

19:46:03 kakobrekla: Apocalyptic afaik he just needs to lose 2

19:46:37 Apocalyptic: oh I may have a misconception about how assbot evaluates +v then

19:46:54 kakobrekla: l2 > 0

19:47:12 kakobrekla: or l1.

19:48:06 TomServo: looks like mrs tick ball on in the action too

19:48:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [+]

19:49:02 *: asciilifeform bares chest for firing squad

19:50:02 kakobrekla: lol

19:52:21 kakobrekla: dont worry ascii, its just paint guns.

19:52:55 jurov: gentlemen,

19:55:10 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: turdschmeissers

19:55:19 kakobrekla: lol

19:55:57 jurov: lol what i wanted to say?

19:56:05 kakobrekla: dunno?

19:58:09 mike_c: what you wanted to say was: ladies and gentlemen,

19:58:31 mike_c: boys and girls,

19:59:01 mike_c: children of ALL ages

20:00:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 10.12814390 BTC to 29`438 shares, 34405 satoshi per share

20:03:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.02399982 = 0.672 BTC [+] {2}

20:05:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06999999 = 0.21 BTC [-]

20:06:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20901 @ 0.00081881 = 17.1139 BTC [+]

20:06:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [-]

20:08:54 jurov: kakobrekla i want to mass bitbet but it insists i nave to wait for 3 tries.. is there a way around?

20:10:54 kakobrekla: hm

20:10:58 jurov: can you, say, lift the limit if the payout address had seen some volume previously?

20:11:12 kakobrekla: wouldnt be much point if there would be a easy workaround

20:11:46 kakobrekla: i raised the limit now so you can do your thing

20:11:52 kakobrekla: but temporarily.

20:12:04 jurov: above proposal isn't exactly an easy workaround

20:12:08 jurov: thx

20:13:21 mike_c: i am confused (and curious). what limit are you bumping into? requesting pages?

20:13:44 kakobrekla: requesting deposit addresses

20:14:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 22 @ 0.0500009 = 1.1 BTC [-] {3}

20:14:17 mike_c: ah. what's a "3 tries"?

20:14:38 jurov: twas a brainfart

20:14:45 mike_c: you meant 3 minutes?

20:14:52 kakobrekla: no

20:14:56 kakobrekla: 3 addresses per 45 sec

20:14:58 jurov: i wanted to write "i requested 3 bet addresses"

20:15:08 mike_c: ah, got it. ty.

20:15:21 jurov: i want to send all it in one tx

20:16:27 kakobrekla: several idiots made bots to pull as much addresses from bbet as possible

20:16:39 kakobrekla: but now when they see that simple limit, they stop

20:16:49 asciilifeform: usg cries

20:16:50 midnightmagic: that's.. lame.

20:17:16 midnightmagic: but it will bloat a wallet into oblivion..

20:17:35 kakobrekla: the funny part it is, it wont.

20:18:05 mike_c: you rate limit by ip?

20:18:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9562 @ 0.00081917 = 7.8329 BTC [+]

20:18:24 mike_c: (unless you don't want to divulge sekurity measures)

20:18:47 midnightmagic: I have a 204MB wallet here that takes > 2min or so to boot up bitcoind on a 32-core server which seems to suggest it can be done.

20:20:05 midnightmagic: and then for looser evidence, "I" have a >2GB namecoin wallet which makes namecoin nearly unusable without modifying the source as there appears to be a race condition on ResendWalletTransactions()

20:20:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 74 @ 0.01501068 = 1.1108 BTC [-] {4}

20:20:58 midnightmagic: note: once booted, that bitcoin node with 200MB wallet will operate at full speed. so when I say "bloat it into oblivion" I'm referring to bootup times.

20:21:31 jurov: and it needs 200M RLIMIT_LOCKMEM or such

20:22:03 jurov: otherwise it just silently drops connections

20:22:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06999989 = 0.7 BTC [-]

20:25:04 kakobrekla: 200mb wallet, thats decent

20:26:36 kakobrekla: thats from some automated service or you did 200 megs of manual

20:26:42 kakobrekla: must be a lot of change :)

20:28:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [-]

20:28:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00081631 = 26.8566 BTC [-] {2}

20:28:47 kakobrekla: one of my oldest wallets from early 2011 has 6k txes and only 25megs

20:29:04 fluffypony: my Electrum wallet.dat is 102 bytes

20:29:04 fluffypony: oh well.

20:29:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 67 @ 0.06999999 = 4.69 BTC [+] {2}

20:29:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [+]

20:32:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0709 = 0.709 BTC [+]

20:33:31 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Wait, there is a levorotary Kansas nao too? Qunatrill must have missed it.

20:33:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0709 = 1.2053 BTC [+] {3}

20:33:57 jurov: kakobrekla: i got what i needed, thx

20:34:18 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well, if there's an r-kansas...

20:34:58 BingoBoingo: I just hope there isn't a dexkansas

20:36:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07095 = 0.3548 BTC [+]

20:36:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but why is the fingerprint over the name

20:37:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't. that's a 2-layer composite photo

20:37:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: click the remaining 2

20:37:31 asciilifeform: (top, bottom)

20:38:04 mircea_popescu: aok

20:38:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're 'mad hatter' enough to have these baked, i'll send you the vectors.

20:38:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19238 @ 0.00081658 = 15.7094 BTC [+]

20:38:40 mircea_popescu: so i bought 1/4 kg of prosciutto from this woman that i don't think has ever sold more than 18 grams at a time

20:38:59 mircea_popescu: i also got a box of camembert. INDUSTRIA ARGENTINA

20:39:04 mircea_popescu: will do an unboxing later.

20:39:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.071 = 0.426 BTC [+]

20:40:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.071 = 0.213 BTC [+]

20:40:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02419083 = 0.1451 BTC [+] {2}

20:40:47 mircea_popescu: Blazedout419: what amazing service do you run assbot:AMAZING COMPANY! << that was pretty cool lol

20:40:47 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:40:56 mircea_popescu: NOW we know what that was for. all these years...

20:43:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.071 = 1.065 BTC [+]

20:44:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07095 = 0.9933 BTC [-]

20:46:10 asciilifeform: from the lolpharms: http://www.blacklistedbitcoins.com

20:46:11 assbot: Blacklisted Bitcoins > Home

20:47:01 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In other news I found the turd that crashed firefox... Gnu Gnash. Firefox somehow installed it as it upgraded. Firefox now when I deign it to run, runs from jail.

20:47:19 asciilifeform: lolz, somebody actually uses gnash?

20:47:33 mike_c: somebody actually uses flash?

20:47:50 mike_c: i thought steve jobs outlawed that

20:48:08 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently Nigbuntu bundled it with a firefox uprade.

20:48:40 asciilifeform: and they call us (folks who glue own linuxen from toothpicks in bottles) crazy.

20:48:44 BingoBoingo: mike_c: But all those classic games where the stick figures fight

20:49:07 BingoBoingo: I was insufficiently paranoid.

20:49:33 *: BingoBoingo wonders if he can get the lesser Mac, the Mac Classic online...

20:49:38 asciilifeform: 'Those who do not find time for exercise will have to find time for illness.'

20:49:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.071 = 0.71 BTC [+]

20:50:57 BingoBoingo: I guess next week I build a linuxen from toothpicks and take another machine online...

20:51:15 kakobrekla: yeah i should do some exercise.

20:51:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do yourself favour and use a box with an mmu (yes, abandon stone age, do bronze age at least)

20:52:59 BingoBoingo: I'll drink on that possiility this weekend.

20:55:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.071 = 0.142 BTC [+] {2}

20:56:46 BingoBoingo: %book

20:56:47 atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140

20:56:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.07545454 = 0.83 BTC [+] {10}

20:58:29 BingoBoingo: http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/06/iraq-gets-international-help-from-iran/372727/

20:58:30 assbot: Iraq Gets International Help... From Iran - The Wire

20:59:47 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

20:59:49 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 581.64, Best ask: 582.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.98000, Last trade: 581.64, 24 hour volume: 31598.55053292, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 611.99, 24 hour vwap: 582.871423501

21:04:58 mircea_popescu: Namworld:

21:04:59 mircea_popescu: Assuming it offers X for Y and delivers X for Y, even if X for Y is a bad proposition... it's not really a scam if it delivers exactly what someone bought. << the guy never said "give us some btc and in two years you can have 40 cents to the bitcoin"

21:05:49 mircea_popescu: if thjat were the proposition, then it'd have been just a dumb as fuck deal. even in that case, claiming it's not a scam is marginal, much in the way adding a nuclear device to your doorknob is endangerment, even if you think people shouldn't have fucked with the doorknob.

21:06:36 mircea_popescu: but all this is moot in the discussion at hand. nasty is some random dork and Blazedout419 is woefully uneducated. mpex is transparency, go read up on the corps that have been publishing their results each month for the past YEARS and so on.

21:07:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00082082 = 28.3183 BTC [+]

21:07:52 jurov: kako seems i broke bitbet twatter :D

21:08:21 mircea_popescu: ;;rate ognasty -1 pirate shill ; currently running a "security" that made a 60% loss over two years. a fine example of the scum that unwarrantedly imagines itself somehow part of Bitcoin.

21:08:23 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user ognasty has been recorded.

21:10:14 mircea_popescu: Namworld the original is always best.

21:10:56 Mats_cd03: does anyone want to buy my No stake in the spurs bet?

21:11:04 Mats_cd03: qq

21:11:23 kakobrekla: jurov ?

21:11:34 kakobrekla: last bet matches what twitter sez

21:11:52 mircea_popescu: !up AlexWkz

21:12:30 jurov: kakobrekla: okay, they appeared now

21:12:46 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/937/south-korea-will-advance-from-the-2014-world/

21:12:46 assbot: BitBet - South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage :: 0.27 B (51%) on Yes, 0.26 B (49%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 92`292 (100`000 to 10`000)

21:12:52 mircea_popescu: apparently soccer bets getting some traction

21:13:06 *: jurov giggles

21:13:48 kakobrekla: >As bitbet grows more popular, there SHOULD be a greater number of bets imo. And that includes sports.

21:13:51 kakobrekla: is this trolling?

21:14:07 jurov: no, RFC

21:14:14 kakobrekla: :p

21:15:03 mircea_popescu: prolly just cookies.

21:16:15 kakobrekla: generally i dont like cookies. too dry.

21:16:53 mircea_popescu: o yeah, and you're not dry yourself AT ALL

21:16:59 mircea_popescu: so this is quite understandable :D

21:17:27 kakobrekla: exactly.

21:18:28 mircea_popescu: wait i was being sarcastiq

21:19:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [+] {2}

21:19:43 BingoBoingo: Prolly the ultimatum brought some action. Ultimatum or not, I just can't care about any "competition" that usually ends in a draw and hugs for everybody.

21:20:22 mircea_popescu: ;;rate Ssateneth -10 apparently kiddo thinks himself some sort of rate warlord or something.

21:20:24 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Ssateneth has been recorded.

21:20:36 kakobrekla: o shit.

21:20:48 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell thebutterzone suppose you clear asciilifeform and that way i don't have to neg you too.

21:20:48 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:20:49 kakobrekla: you gonna make him come back!

21:21:41 mircea_popescu: who ?

21:21:57 kakobrekla: well everyone at this point.

21:22:02 kakobrekla: nvm, carry on.

21:23:11 mircea_popescu: cheeky the -otc derps. fucking periphery of the periphery, somehow they imagine themselves central and unique in that.

21:24:02 kakobrekla: well theres a whole charade goin on in #bitcoin-ratings :)

21:24:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.071 = 0.355 BTC [+]

21:24:31 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic: your transitive rating to nano at a certain level, correct. without trust from nanotube you can't rate. << good thing they finally moved away from the total rating model, that was silly.

21:25:50 BingoBoingo: ;;tslb

21:25:55 gribble: Time since last block: 17 minutes and 4 seconds

21:27:33 mircea_popescu: ;;unrate Ssateneth

21:27:35 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for Ssateneth.

21:28:11 mircea_popescu: ;;rate mrstickball -10 apparently kiddo thinks himself some sort of rate warlord or something.

21:28:13 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user mrstickball has been recorded.

21:28:48 mircea_popescu: !up RainMan28

21:30:04 jurov: uh oh bitbet won't replace ref cookie unless user deletes it manually? pure evil

21:30:27 jurov: i just bought bingoboingo a beer or two

21:30:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0719 = 0.2876 BTC [+]

21:30:31 mircea_popescu: pankkake: this is probably the first example of the wot for +v selection failing << honestly i don't think so.

21:30:41 mircea_popescu: jurov why would it replace cookie tho ?

21:30:49 mircea_popescu: how you fight cookie stuffing if it did ?

21:31:12 BingoBoingo: ty jurov

21:31:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07199999 = 0.792 BTC [+] {2}

21:31:36 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Ssateneth:

21:31:36 mircea_popescu: To me, -10 is lke "this guy has definately stolen people's money, and is definately a scumbag you don't want to live near because he'll probably break into your home and steal your valuables" :P << maybe read http://fraudsters.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ sometime.

21:31:37 assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:31:37 gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.

21:31:48 mircea_popescu: gah

21:32:02 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Ssateneth: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2014#717939 << maybe read http://fraudsters.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ sometime.

21:32:03 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

21:32:04 assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:32:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:32:05 jurov: i understand it's better this way, just venting

21:32:47 mircea_popescu: jurov: lol what i wanted to say? << jurov caught drunk in the logs ?

21:33:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2153 BTC [-]

21:33:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07249999 = 0.145 BTC [+]

21:33:48 pankkake: jurov: actually the ref cookie expires at session, I think

21:33:50 *: jurov hugs BingoBoingo, starts to sway and sing uneasily

21:34:32 jurov: pankkake: it must be persistent, i did not open his ref link today

21:35:08 mircea_popescu: jurov: and it needs 200M RLIMIT_LOCKMEM or such << yes that ;/

21:35:13 jurov: yes, it is, i tried

21:35:17 BingoBoingo: http://blockr.io/address/info/16wAZSsL8BFNFM8WCsrE8pwwFkhDErWiok

21:35:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 67 @ 0.21053601 = 14.1059 BTC [-] {12}

21:36:05 jurov: hahaha kako spamming teh blockchain

21:36:26 BingoBoingo: Now I imagine everyone will check their cookies for the right cookies before betting.

21:36:44 kakobrekla: check you cookies before you wreck yourself.

21:36:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're 'mad hatter' enough to have these baked, i'll send you the vectors. << i'm not. too big (thick, bulky) for my taste.

21:36:59 BingoBoingo: ;;tslb

21:37:02 kakobrekla: but yeah jurov deleting would help

21:37:05 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aff is kinda intended for the peeps that don't even know there's something to check

21:37:06 gribble: Time since last block: 28 minutes and 16 seconds

21:37:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Do those peeps still have coins they aren't buring on Mastersafe and stuff like that?

21:37:47 kakobrekla: <jurov> hahaha kako spamming teh blockchain < yeah at some point somebody will do something about that.

21:37:58 mircea_popescu: which peeps yu mean ?

21:38:04 jurov: that's gonna be my legacy. first b-a donation address, then this.

21:38:13 kakobrekla: lol

21:38:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07249999 = 0.2175 BTC [+]

21:38:56 kakobrekla: at least this time its not going to some schmuck

21:39:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The peeps pete wrote on today. The kind that just might have enough coin to BitBet but burn it because their WoTs are broke.

21:39:05 jurov: lol

21:39:06 kakobrekla: or is it!?

21:39:08 kakobrekla: :D

21:39:11 mircea_popescu: did i miss something !?

21:39:21 jurov: kako it went to booze

21:39:27 kakobrekla: vodka

21:39:35 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they thyemselves do not. the unfortunate noobs that they try to buddy buddy however do.

21:39:37 kakobrekla: i guess.

21:39:38 BingoBoingo: jurov: No, this is incoming for the blog's sustainment fund.

21:39:54 kakobrekla: yeah, that is the vodka BingoBoingo .

21:39:57 jurov: we all know with what stuff is the blog sustained

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21:40:07 BingoBoingo: !b 3

21:40:47 BingoBoingo: !up mdev

21:40:55 mdev: much thanks

21:41:12 mdev: since I was banned in #bitcoin, what's your guys thoughts on the ghash.io and the 51%?

21:41:28 BingoBoingo: Well, once this USG dumping is over hopefully come hosting time next year these contributions will go for a nice handle of something while I weld the server shut to drop off at the colo

21:41:32 mdev: apparently they've had over 20% for awhile and even at that level they could have done some damage with double spend had they wanted

21:41:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0725 = 0.29 BTC [+]

21:42:23 mircea_popescu: mdev looked @ logs ?

21:42:30 BingoBoingo: mdev: Bitcoin is too valuable for ghash.io to do serious damage at 51% plus so long as miners are economically motivated...

21:42:54 mdev: bingo that's what I was thinking, plus they're a legit business in london

21:42:57 fluffypony: mdev: you got banned from #bitcoin?? lol

21:42:59 mdev: no reason to risk that

21:43:03 mdev: fluffy yeah a month ban

21:43:08 fluffypony: that's hilarious

21:43:16 mdev: that channel is so toxic, admins so incredibly abusive lol

21:43:18 fluffypony: let me guess...you dared to question someone?

21:43:36 mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah, you know, like Blazedout419 did here :D

21:43:40 BingoBoingo: mdev: Ghash fucks up, hopefully enough miners like money to flee.

21:43:52 pankkake: keep in mind 51% attack = 51% *attack*. bitcoin relies on the majority of miners being honest

21:43:55 mdev: I was having a disagreement about private companies being forced to disclose income, with various other users, and a bitcoin op stealth banned me(used a bot), for apparently a month

21:43:58 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, and nobody banned him

21:43:59 Apocalyptic: fluffypony, no, he's actually clueless and a time waster

21:44:00 mircea_popescu: also http://37.media.tumblr.com/1d760aafa3afdce5399d1bad0dd1a3cc/tumblr_n5dhn8OBzV1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg

21:44:04 Apocalyptic: from what I gathered

21:44:32 pankkake: stealth ban = ban but the mod stays anonymous?

21:44:45 pankkake: like bitcointalk. wonderful. that's the tool of scammers.

21:44:49 mdev: I talked to another op in private about it, and lol...that channel is just not good with them at the helm that insult and put down everything, from andreas, to blockchain.info, to /r/bitcoin to altcoins, list goes on and on

21:45:09 mdev: stealth ban yeah another mod had no idea who set it

21:45:18 BingoBoingo: http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/zero-moment/lie-lady-profoundly-weird-gender-specific-roots-turing-test

21:45:18 assbot: Page Unavailable

21:45:33 pankkake: ;;gpg info mdev

21:45:34 gribble: No such user registered.

21:45:37 mircea_popescu: <mdev> them at the helm that insult and put down everything, from andreas, to blockchain.info, to /r/bitcoin to altcoins, list goes on and on << you know this sounds like cheap copying -assets :D

21:45:39 pankkake: you should register

21:45:45 mdev: I been banned in there a lot, in the past some ops agreed the ban shouldn't have been set but didn't do anything to lift it!

21:45:50 mdev: where do I register again?

21:45:59 mdev: looked at your guys blog/site but was confusing

21:46:01 pankkake: with gribble

21:46:07 mircea_popescu: !up FlyDuch

21:46:13 BingoBoingo: http://www.coindesk.com/bitfury-pulls-power-ghash-community-uproar/

21:46:14 assbot: BitFury Pulls 1PH/s of Mining Power from Ghash.io Amid Community Uproar

21:46:26 pankkake: mdev: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

21:46:26 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

21:46:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol what's that, 4% ?

21:46:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [+]

21:46:46 BingoBoingo: Prolly

21:46:47 mdev: bitcointalk btw has some of the same mods, at the very least gmaxwell is there

21:46:51 pankkake: also, remember when Deepbit was the big bad pool? reddit was all over it too

21:46:57 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/8fd9b97f80422c9c193d76beaf90983b/tumblr_n5dh15jV3l1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg schoolgirls too.

21:47:13 pankkake: ooh I like that schoolgirl

21:47:15 mircea_popescu: pankkake btc guild somehow never was the big bad guild

21:47:16 BingoBoingo: Pools rise and fall.

21:47:19 mdev: who controls gribble?

21:47:20 mircea_popescu: of these three, exactly one did a hardfork

21:47:23 mdev: seen him around

21:47:28 pankkake: mircea_popescu: oh no it was for a bit too

21:47:38 mircea_popescu: on reddit ? or here ?

21:47:42 pankkake: on reddit

21:47:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.07263076 = 2.8326 BTC [+] {2}

21:48:08 kakobrekla: x<BingoBoingo> Pools rise and fall. < thats true but its incredibly hard to start one these days

21:48:16 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1bq4ia/for_the_love_of_bitcoin_stop_mining_at_btc_guild/

21:48:17 assbot: For the love of Bitcoin, Stop mining at BTC Guild! - They'll control the network if they reach +50% : Bitcoin

21:48:40 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well starting a pools takes a lot of coin which really limits the number of people who can do it.

21:48:48 mdev: how can btc guild control 50% if ghash.io already controls 51%?

21:48:58 BingoBoingo: mdev: Ancient history.

21:49:02 mdev: oh

21:49:14 kakobrekla: prolly better to own gear than coin in such case.

21:49:20 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla why ?

21:49:29 kakobrekla: cause pps is dead long ago

21:49:35 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=13452.0

21:49:35 assbot: To all of the deepbit whiners.

21:49:42 mircea_popescu: pankkake aite, you got a point

21:49:44 BingoBoingo: mdev: It's why going back in the logs and the older parts of the forum is valuable. Many of these things happened before.

21:49:54 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla talk to me like im 5

21:49:57 mircea_popescu: which i am.

21:49:59 kakobrekla: pay per share

21:50:17 kakobrekla: that model is no longer feasible

21:50:20 mdev: BingoBoingo that's an interesting point, and bitcoin is still standing

21:50:34 mdev: so is a non-issue

21:50:43 mircea_popescu: why not ?

21:50:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0728 = 0.5096 BTC [+] {3}

21:50:51 BingoBoingo: mdev: Ideally it is a self correcting issue.

21:50:55 mdev: if ghash abuses everyone will know and they'll be done, they don't control the users hardware anyway

21:51:01 mircea_popescu: i thought the earlier 200 btc scandal was over pps

21:51:18 kakobrekla: now everyone is on rounds that last x of time

21:51:27 kakobrekla: and then spread the blocks found over x rounds

21:51:49 kakobrekla: prevents hopping and such.

21:51:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 55 @ 0.0729909 = 4.0145 BTC [+] {2}

21:52:00 kakobrekla: pps is too dangerous imho.

21:52:06 mdev: why

21:52:10 mircea_popescu: o that mixed system, ok.

21:52:12 mircea_popescu: so ?

21:52:17 pankkake: the difference with ghash.io is that most of their hashrate is also controlled by them

21:52:34 pankkake: the solution would be to stop buying that crap cloud mining!

21:52:36 mircea_popescu: pankkake and not yet amortised.

21:52:42 kakobrekla: so if you dont find block your payouts will still be too irregular and you cant do pps

21:52:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.07399248 = 2.2198 BTC [+] {3}

21:52:53 mircea_popescu: pankkake but derps want to be part of it EASILY

21:52:58 pankkake: what do you mean? they sell it to users, probably at a loss (for the users)

21:53:20 kakobrekla: yes

21:53:25 mircea_popescu: of course they sell it at aloss to the users

21:53:28 kakobrekla: how else would they be 50%

21:53:31 mircea_popescu: how else would they sell it lol

21:53:33 kakobrekla: if not selling such bs.

21:53:57 pankkake: so I don't understand "not yet amortised"

21:54:38 mircea_popescu: the gear they use to mine is not yet paid for.

21:54:39 kakobrekla: isnt it amortized as soon as its sold

21:54:44 kakobrekla: they dont have to buy it back

21:54:45 mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler

21:54:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 108 @ 0.07399993 = 7.992 BTC [+] {3}

21:54:58 Dimsler: kakobrekla, so what if ghash has majority steak

21:55:00 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the gear they sold is sold. i thought he meant sold hashes, ie, rented gear

21:55:01 kakobrekla: they sell you 'vrtual chips'

21:55:03 Dimsler: how the hell does that matter

21:55:09 Dimsler: what are they going to do?

21:55:12 kakobrekla: which then you trade on the market

21:55:23 kakobrekla: so once you buy that shit, they are out

21:55:28 kakobrekla: just picking the fees.

21:55:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07400199 = 0.37 BTC [+]

21:56:08 mircea_popescu: ok, but you understand the cost for 50% of the hash is like... 2 to 500k btc

21:56:16 mircea_popescu: they've sold "virtual chips" to forum derps for 500-1k btc

21:56:17 Dimsler: lol

21:56:18 mircea_popescu: what of it

21:56:41 kakobrekla: im not arguing anything here

21:56:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0747 = 0.747 BTC [+]

21:57:04 kakobrekla: brb

21:57:25 mdev: who owns http://bitcoin-otc.com/ ?

21:57:25 assbot: #bitcoin-otc

21:57:31 pankkake: mdev: nanotube

21:58:45 mdev: dang you guys really invested in #bitcoin stuff huh

21:58:53 mdev: same bot, same tech, same owners stuff

21:58:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00081945 = 15.6925 BTC [-]

22:00:25 mircea_popescu: mdev there's a world out there made of agglomerated shitheads, who imagine themselves innovators and revolutionaries, but in practice live out of not-invented-here syndrome and bad pr.

22:00:41 mircea_popescu: the world in here is quite opposite. if someone does something well everyone breathes a sigh of relief and uses it.

22:00:48 FlyDuch: guys can i sell btc for ltc here

22:00:50 mircea_popescu: because life's too short to re-do all the shit all the time

22:01:01 pankkake: !down FlyDuch

22:01:05 mircea_popescu: FlyDuch if you can find someone who cares to

22:01:07 mircea_popescu: !up FlyDuch

22:01:19 mircea_popescu: best use gribble's sale function.

22:01:23 mdev: just putting a lot of trust in nanotube, i've never seen really the guy talk but I think he owns gribble as well, and is founder of #bitcoin as well

22:01:33 mircea_popescu: he's trustworthy.

22:01:53 pankkake: I don't trust him, and I backup the otc db :)

22:03:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0747 = 1.1205 BTC [+]

22:03:26 fluffypony: FlyDuch: #bitcoin-otc is probably a better venue

22:05:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07478 = 0.3739 BTC [+]

22:06:50 pankkake: FlyDuch: why wouldn't you use one of the many exchanges to do that?

22:07:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00081944 = 13.8485 BTC [-] {2}

22:08:12 Apocalyptic: he's a scammer probably

22:08:27 pankkake: yes, but since he was !uped back, I'm biting :)

22:08:48 Apocalyptic: I guess mircea is running low on entertainment tonight :)

22:09:52 mircea_popescu: i'm just reactively tolerant

22:10:16 mircea_popescu: the truth of the matter is that i don't have an actual personality, i just do the opposite of what y'all are doing.

22:10:24 mircea_popescu: so if you're all drama llamas i'ma just be mellow.

22:11:00 kakobrekla: basically he thinks we are dumb.

22:11:27 mircea_popescu: wait wut ?

22:12:10 kakobrekla: well if you are doing the opposite of something you prolly are not in agreement with it

22:12:30 pankkake: !up mdev

22:12:38 mdev: ty

22:12:59 mircea_popescu: or maybe i just like living interesting times.

22:13:16 kakobrekla: maybe. or the other thing.

22:14:09 mircea_popescu: generally, i rarely think someone is as smart as they think themselves. similarly, i rarely think someone is as dumb as they think themselves. so there :D

22:14:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23979 @ 0.00081833 = 19.6227 BTC [-] {2}

22:14:57 mircea_popescu: ;;unrate mrstickball

22:14:59 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for mrstickball.

22:15:06 kakobrekla: ok. i could go on but i rather wont. :)

22:15:50 mircea_popescu: lol that asciilifeform - Blazedout419 situation de-escalated quickly.

22:16:00 kakobrekla: is it over nao?

22:16:01 mircea_popescu: you know, back in the 2011 days something like this'd have raged for a week

22:16:10 mircea_popescu: i think wot has come a lengthy road.

22:16:14 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla pretty much

22:16:21 kakobrekla: good

22:21:50 TheButterZone: ;;rated asciilifeform

22:21:51 gribble: You have not yet rated user asciilifeform

22:24:04 mircea_popescu: hey there.

22:24:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nao you unrate TheButterZone

22:26:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0745 = 0.6705 BTC [-]

22:26:59 Blazedout419: it was never a situtation really

22:27:08 Blazedout419: he just neg rated me for who only knows why

22:27:33 Blazedout419: I was just asking a few questions...then it got crazy in here :p

22:28:05 mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 it was honestly undistinguishable from trollage you gotta appreciate.

22:28:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07478 = 0.2991 BTC [+]

22:28:34 Blazedout419: Well sorry if it came off that way, but that is the first time i have ever been called a troll

22:28:51 Blazedout419: I was talking to kakobrekla anyways not asciilifeform

22:28:56 mircea_popescu: which is why i was so weirded out.

22:29:06 Blazedout419: random -10

22:29:16 Blazedout419: lol maybe he is having a bad day...dunno

22:29:55 mircea_popescu: you ever seen reservoir dogs ?

22:30:00 Blazedout419: yep

22:30:07 Blazedout419: why do i have to be mr pink?

22:30:20 mircea_popescu: pretty much somethging like that

22:30:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 54 @ 0.0749648 = 4.0481 BTC [+] {6}

22:30:30 Blazedout419: fair enough

22:30:49 mircea_popescu: "Joe: No way, no way. Tried it once, doesn't work. You got four guys all fighting over who's gonna be Mr. Black, but they don't know each other, so nobody wants to back down. No way. I pick. You're Mr. Pink. Be thankful you're not Mr. Yellow."

22:31:05 Blazedout419: lolz

22:33:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [+]

22:34:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00082104 = 9.6472 BTC [+] {2}

22:34:57 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=651315.msg7298625#msg7298625

22:34:57 assbot: Hall of Shame: Vote for your Favorite Worst Crypto-CEO's Ever!!

22:35:01 fluffypony: lol

22:35:08 mircea_popescu: i would hope mpoe-pr is in there ?

22:35:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 111 @ 0.07456196 = 8.2764 BTC [-] {7}

22:36:22 mircea_popescu: wtf is btcquick again ?

22:37:53 fluffypony: ascension

22:38:36 fluffypony: jerrod something or other

22:39:22 fluffypony: this Mimex listing confuses me

22:39:39 fluffypony: they list a developer under their "management team"

22:39:42 fluffypony: what is he managing?

22:40:11 fluffypony: also, how can they have a PR person on Bitcointalk without said PR person also being listed in their "management team" alongside the developer?

22:40:22 mircea_popescu: pr isn't management is it

22:40:30 fluffypony: neither is "developer"

22:40:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 120 @ 0.07036589 = 8.4439 BTC [-] {5}

22:40:55 fluffypony: the "lead developer" maybe, by some definition of management I'm unfamiliar with

22:41:25 mircea_popescu: i suppose if you have a tech run a team of techs he's technically management now

22:41:36 mircea_popescu: sorta like the ex surgeon now hospital director

22:41:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0739998 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2}

22:48:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02419499 = 0.2419 BTC [+]

22:52:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.08 = 0.4 BTC [-]

22:53:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51845 @ 0.00082224 = 42.629 BTC [+] {4}

22:54:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07388958 = 0.5911 BTC [+]

22:55:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.074 = 1.85 BTC [+]

22:56:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.075 = 7.5 BTC [+]

22:58:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.023402 = 0.117 BTC [-] {2}

22:59:13 benkay: ;;rate ognasty -1 pirate/BCST shill

22:59:15 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user ognasty has been recorded.

22:59:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0202 = 0.101 BTC [+]

23:00:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 93 @ 0.075 = 6.975 BTC [+] {2}

23:04:45 benkay: ;;gettrust benkay

23:04:46 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Trust relationship from user benkay to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 19 via 14 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013

23:07:34 mike_c: dumb question: is there any way to cryptographically prove you signed something on a certain date.

23:09:13 mircea_popescu: mike_c include the date.

23:09:44 mike_c: but i could sign something today with june 1st in it.

23:10:29 mike_c: i don't think there is, but thought i'd ask to make sure i wasn't missing some clever trick.

23:10:37 mircea_popescu: sure there's plenty depending what you want.

23:10:43 mircea_popescu: if you want to declare the date being x, include the date.

23:10:54 mircea_popescu: if you want to prove the date is no earlier than X, include a block hash say.

23:11:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.075 = 0.225 BTC [+]

23:11:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 8 @ 0.042 = 0.336 BTC

23:11:21 fluffypony: do it old school

23:11:22 mike_c: yeah, that works going that way. i need to go the other though.

23:11:32 fluffypony: selfie of you holding the newspaper for that day

23:11:35 fluffypony: :-P

23:11:42 mircea_popescu: Block #305659 Hash 0000000000000000118b4c104bd3cdf62ddcbcfdcb66af97aadff2116e86a842 could not be known pre 2014-06-13 23:ish

23:11:55 mike_c: like, i want to be able to say today "here is proof that I signed this on June 1st, not June 13th"

23:12:07 mircea_popescu: to prove you signed it no later than X, publish it on the record date.

23:12:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 190 @ 0.002 = 0.38 BTC

23:12:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00082407 = 28.9249 BTC [+] {2}

23:12:13 fluffypony: !up mdev

23:12:18 mdev: thankyou!

23:12:39 mdev: but yeah as other have said the problem with date is you can set it to what you want, so only way to confirm the date is used a 3rd party someone trusts

23:12:45 mdev: or various I suppose

23:13:09 mike_c: ah, so, like stuff something in the blockchain

23:13:22 fluffypony: mike_c: that's the other option

23:13:38 mircea_popescu: mike_c blockchain, here, whatever.

23:13:42 fluffypony: or pastebin

23:13:42 mdev: bitcoin trusts no ones date, they don't use dates they use difficulty I think

23:13:43 mircea_popescu: your blog for that matter.

23:13:49 mdev: and try and average solving to 10 minutes

23:13:52 fluffypony: dependent on your penchance for risk

23:13:59 fluffypony: !down mdev

23:13:59 mdev: even though it's gone over an hour before...

23:14:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [+]

23:14:27 fluffypony: mike_c: what sort of longevity do you need on it?

23:15:03 kakobrekla: are you thinking carbon dating?

23:15:08 fluffypony: lol

23:15:14 mike_c: well, basically what i said. i want to be able to say "here's the signed statement. here is incontravertible proof i have not mucked with it since XX date"

23:15:18 fluffypony: [01:15:01] mdev: your abuse won't be tolerated

23:15:19 fluffypony: lol

23:16:06 fluffypony: mike_c: pastebin it (pastebin keeps the date) + dump the signature here

23:16:24 fluffypony: even if pastebin disappears you have a copy, and the signature can be verified by any of us that keep logs

23:16:31 mike_c: log.b-a or my blog still requires trust. blockchain doesn't, but i'm not a fan of abusing chain for this kind of stuff. pastebin i guess works. nobody would believe they were in on the scamz.

23:17:12 fluffypony: yeah but you forget

23:17:16 fluffypony: log.b-a isn't the only log

23:17:26 fluffypony: I log, and I'm sure dozens of others do

23:17:31 kakobrekla: theres the way-back-machine

23:17:38 kakobrekla: you can prolly leverage that

23:17:50 fluffypony: oh yes good point kakobrekla - you can add a link to archive.org on a particular date

23:18:11 mike_c: that thing still works? impressive.

23:18:14 mircea_popescu: still requires trusty

23:18:27 mircea_popescu: the thing is, the hardcore future problem is not resolvable, as entropy only goes one way

23:18:32 mircea_popescu: and so information accumulates.

23:18:42 fluffypony: mike_c: upload it to Maidsafe!

23:18:48 mircea_popescu: you can prove you know something and so establish it one way, but you can't prove you didn't know something.

23:19:04 mike_c: not 100% resolvable, but blockchain stuffing comes close.

23:19:16 mircea_popescu: actually stuffing it here is probably better.

23:19:24 mircea_popescu: blocks reorg. how do you know you won't end up on a dead chain

23:19:36 kakobrekla: you wait 6 confs.

23:19:37 kakobrekla: duh

23:20:32 mike_c: the thing is, it depends who you are "proving" to. since i am a b-a lackey, clearly i could get the logs mucked with. and nobody is going to care that fluffypony's copy agrees with it.

23:20:45 fluffypony: yeah I suppose

23:20:49 fluffypony: you could've paid us all

23:20:52 mircea_popescu: it's on the web lol.

23:21:05 mircea_popescu: but anyway, since you're in bitcoin, clearly you could have the blockchain mucked.

23:21:16 mike_c: true. i do own ghash.

23:22:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem as stated is unresolvable. as the future includes the past, you can't by yourself prove you were anterior to a point. only ulteriority can be proven that hardcore

23:22:20 asciilifeform: ;;unrate TheButterZone

23:22:21 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for TheButterZone.

23:22:25 mircea_popescu: which incidentally coallesces into a very strong attack on IP

23:22:46 mike_c: yes, you can only provide evidence, not proof.

23:22:51 mircea_popescu: and also explains history.

23:22:59 mircea_popescu: the original impetuus driving herodotus was his own identity.

23:23:22 mircea_popescu: namely, proving he was there by including descriptions of events, which establishes his presence.

23:24:04 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/eligius-please-pay-my-200-btc.328351 << dude the amateur law&order bullshit going on in that thread is beyond the pale.

23:24:04 assbot: ==== Eligius, please pay my 200+ BTC ==== | Bitcointa.lk

23:24:21 mircea_popescu: if your average us citizen got to run as much as a chicken coop... woe on those chickens.

23:25:11 mircea_popescu: "Yeah. I was just kind of wondering how much trouble it could cause if hundreds of people internationally started contacting his government demanding action to investigate his bitcoin involvement and possible unethical activities."

23:25:26 mircea_popescu: this would be your random shitstain wanting to be "anonymous".

23:26:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: too big (thick, bulky) for my taste << thought was, use elastomer, 0.4mm or so. but, sure, it'd be an amazing waste.

23:26:18 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

23:26:49 *: asciilifeform wouldn't, but likes carrying thought experiments to logical conclusion.

23:26:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform paper is a tenth that.

23:28:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.075 = 2.25 BTC [+]

23:30:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.0749625 = 5.997 BTC [-] {3}

23:32:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nein. http://imgur.com/Jhmfp3B

23:32:01 assbot: Nein! - Imgur

23:33:14 mike_c: !up mdev

23:33:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.075 = 2.1 BTC [-]

23:33:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol

23:34:52 *: asciilifeform couldn't resist

23:35:04 mircea_popescu: ;;calc .4 / .34

23:35:05 gribble: 1.17647058824

23:35:05 mircea_popescu: :D

23:35:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 46 @ 0.075 = 3.45 BTC [-]

23:36:08 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/ICkWjdQuK7Q

23:36:08 assbot: Brian Hyland - Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini - YouTube

23:36:27 asciilifeform: incidentally 'mitutoyo' makes a perfectly acceptable Schtangen-zirkul.

23:37:24 mircea_popescu: zirkel ?

23:37:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0755 = 1.057 BTC [+]

23:37:42 asciilifeform: aye

23:37:57 asciilifeform: even comes with calibration certs

23:38:06 asciilifeform: (how many consumer widgets do?)

23:38:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 132 @ 0.02990076 = 3.9469 BTC [-] {4}

23:43:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0755 = 0.906 BTC [+] {2}

23:44:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.0750021 = 7.5002 BTC [-] {3}

23:46:50 benkay: !up mdev

23:48:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.07500001 = 4.5 BTC [-] {2}

23:49:04 kakobrekla: he got pissed how this nanotube challenge is stupid, life is unfair and blah blah

23:49:14 kakobrekla: ragequit.

23:49:19 benkay: who, mdev?

23:49:28 kakobrekla: yes

23:49:44 teward: he got banned for those antics in other channels, if my memory serves me right...

23:49:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 65 @ 0.07500001 = 4.875 BTC [-]

23:49:50 teward: (he as in mdev)

23:50:00 asciilifeform: challenge?

23:50:55 kakobrekla: his words.

23:52:01 kakobrekla: <mdev> you should remove the !up thing, it's an annoying system

23:52:01 kakobrekla: <mdev> you're giving everyone with voice the ability to up/down voice everyone who hasn't gone through the nanotube challenge

23:52:10 kakobrekla: thar.

23:52:25 teward: the 'nanotube challenge'... he's talking about the OTC auth system isn't he...

23:52:51 kakobrekla: shit, even Blazedout419 made it...

23:53:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0755 = 0.755 BTC [+]

23:57:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00081634 = 24.5718 BTC [-] {3}

23:57:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0755 = 0.453 BTC [+]

23:59:29 Blazedout419: lol'd