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00:09:18 cazalla: oh boy this article is gonna be a good one

00:11:48 mircea_popescu: mike_c it should be possible tho.

00:12:07 mike_c: yeah, i'll have to take another crack at compiling this thing

00:23:46 mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw, the thinking minigame side is that if there's three or four independently maintained clients which each does its own thing that's perfect.

00:24:01 mircea_popescu: minigame will always release a "reference client", but i'd frankly love for people to make their own.

00:25:35 mircea_popescu: cazalla which one ? :D

00:25:50 cazalla: publishing it soon, just adding links

00:26:01 mircea_popescu: cool

00:30:49 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162846 << gotta love usg. always 'chinese wreckers stole,' never 'microshit turdows spilled'

00:30:49 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 23:44:37; trinque: http://m.phys.org/_news353350213.html

00:31:37 trinque: heh no kidding

00:31:48 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162802 << my understanding is that hearn is more clever than gavin, laid his traps such that they all spring at once when he pulls the switch (and emulates something like proper bitcoin until then)

00:31:48 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 22:17:19; shinohai: suppoae i wish to ignore xt nodes by default

00:32:45 cazalla: do ur thang scoopbot

00:32:58 trinque: asciilifeform: the github repo says "this is so totally not about blocksize"

00:33:12 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162814 << be aware, the thing isn't some paragon of good hygiene. (the nic, like all modern nics, has some hidden cpu; etc) but is the cleanest x86 i know of to still be in production

00:33:12 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 22:28:57; trinque: ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses

00:33:13 trinque: the reddit post referencing hearn said "we could increase blocksize on xt in a week" 3 days gago

00:33:15 trinque: *ago

00:33:23 scoopbot_revived: U.S. Treasury: Bitcoin Used In Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing http://qntra.net/2015/06/u-s-treasury-bitcoin-used-in-money-laundering-terrorist-financing/

00:34:22 trinque: asciilifeform: your and other material has long since disabused me of the idea that I'll own a computer any time soon

00:37:05 asciilifeform: re: t3rr0r1sm!!111!!!1: for all the loud usg idiocy, the head-choppers have yet to chop a head, on camera, on top of a carpet with their gpg fingeprint embroidered on it

00:37:45 asciilifeform: so anyone who thinks he is writing them a letter, is writing to ft meade

00:38:10 asciilifeform: ditto for anyone who is reading 'their' communiques.

00:38:50 asciilifeform: i somehow fail to grasp why this is so. did the prophet forbid the multiplication of large primes ?

00:38:57 asciilifeform: but not, e.g., kalashnikov ?

00:39:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ayup, they are very singlemindedly following their talking pointsa.

00:39:46 asciilifeform: ditto for the idiots sending 'them' bitcoin

00:40:01 asciilifeform: usg is laughing all the way to, well, their wallet.

00:40:13 mircea_popescu: and yes hearn is a better political animal than gavin, but not more intelligent

00:40:51 mircea_popescu: just, one admits to himself he's filth, the other does not.

00:40:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i haven't a clue whether hearn is the actual author of the hearnias in question, or not. only that the particular boobytrap which he misrepresents as 'bitcoin' is a more subtle one.

00:41:05 mircea_popescu: hypocrisy is always lower functioning.

00:42:04 asciilifeform: it blew me away that hearn openly expressed an interest in 'remote attestation' on the air.

00:42:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently the prophet is said to have forbidden, by some twerps

00:42:22 asciilifeform: it's a leper's bell, loud and clear

00:42:34 mircea_popescu: recall the case of the british terrorist who used caesar cypher because "excel smarter than anything the gyauri could have invented" ?

00:42:49 asciilifeform: aha.

00:42:59 asciilifeform: i read it as a mix of stupidity and desperation

00:43:10 asciilifeform: (where is he supposed to get non-usg crypto that he can understand ?)

00:43:11 mircea_popescu: it's all stupidity.

00:43:33 mircea_popescu: it is meaningless to speak of a revolutionary's desperation.

00:43:49 mircea_popescu: if he were not desperate ~of the world~ he would be pursuing a career.

00:43:56 asciilifeform: what i also don't get is, didn't any of these folks, in three generations of service to brit and then sov. empire, learn vernam ?

00:44:01 mircea_popescu: if his desperation of the world meant what it usually means, he'd be long gone.

00:44:07 mircea_popescu: that he's here makes the word meaningless

00:44:35 mircea_popescu: dude, i had to be the first one to show the concept of a map to random cairo cab driver.

00:44:48 mircea_popescu: what, you think women pop out smart people now or something ? what is this, the spherical future ?

00:45:28 asciilifeform: cabbie isn't usually same as 50 y.o. ex-signals corps fella

00:45:37 mircea_popescu: orly ?

00:45:49 asciilifeform: (no lack of the latter working as the former, sure)

00:46:34 mircea_popescu: the reason "export controls" work is that idiots perceive themselves as ~equal to everyone else.

00:46:42 mircea_popescu: so they don't miss what they don't have.

00:47:24 asciilifeform: but this is easily broken by some helpful fella giving then a bit of what they lack.

00:47:42 mircea_popescu: no, it is not.

00:47:52 mircea_popescu: because idiot's main concern is whether this makes the other guy better than him

00:47:56 mircea_popescu: AS IF this can be in debate.

00:47:57 asciilifeform: and, incidentally, sov. engineers had no trouble 'missing what they don't have' and went to great lengths to get it

00:48:08 mircea_popescu: they knew themselves to be idiots.

00:48:10 mircea_popescu: arabs do not.

00:48:13 asciilifeform: sometimes via multi-$mil elaborate s4mz0r1ngs

00:48:25 asciilifeform: (see the japanese cnc mill case)

00:49:01 asciilifeform: or the hilariously complicated network of shill corps through which ussr purchased dec pdp and vax

00:49:18 mircea_popescu: was that ever published ?

00:49:27 asciilifeform: in english? no idea

00:49:39 mircea_popescu: in drawings lol

00:49:41 mircea_popescu: names are names

00:50:49 asciilifeform: http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0000500644.pdf << from horse's mouth. scan of ancient usg memo detailing 'omg111!!!111! they stole it all'

00:50:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZwAn6 )

00:51:07 asciilifeform: take, obviously, with a grain of liquid shit

00:51:54 mircea_popescu: mmyeah

00:52:05 asciilifeform: the whole 'keep those orcs from getting modern tech' thing was intensely counter-economic from standpoint of u.s. chip makers, as ussr was prepared to pay with gold, plutonium, virgins, 100x the going rate

00:52:14 asciilifeform: and the merchants, unsurprisingly, wanted to sell.

00:53:00 asciilifeform: (american industrial folk knew that orcs would copy, but also knew that the copies would not appear on american market. so it was not an issue of patent rights)

00:53:41 mircea_popescu: but not for very many

00:59:46 mircea_popescu: in any shape or form the deal would have been a tech transfer, not an item sale.

00:59:53 mircea_popescu: and the soviets were NOT prepared to pay with slaves.

01:00:02 mircea_popescu: anything but that. the chinese paid with slaves later on, and it took.

01:00:08 mircea_popescu: even if the payment was, like all payments, false.

01:00:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: jp got paid in, iirc, gold.

01:00:50 asciilifeform: ditto u.s. grain

01:09:54 asciilifeform: p. 6 of the report is hilariously mistaken. ussr produced perfectly adequate hdd for the period. we had one: http://www.retro-pc.net/musei/dd/hdd/index_ru.htm (scroll to middle past the japanese unit)

01:10:40 asciilifeform: (how much of the -inside- was made overseas, i do not know)

01:11:39 asciilifeform: the 760mb 'micropolis' featured in this www is actually in my kitchen now.

01:11:51 asciilifeform: it is in the symbolics 3620 lisp machine, and works still.

01:12:11 mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euergetism << check it out, poorly translated french shannonizer content, trying to misrepresent classical antiquity more in line with the modern idiocies.

01:12:12 assbot: Euergetism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZzdWc )

01:12:31 mircea_popescu: what was the name of that derpy french knownothing the english world went all gaga over earlier this year ?

01:12:45 mircea_popescu: derpyterpy something, four syllables ending in y ?

01:12:59 mircea_popescu: piketty ty.

01:13:12 *: asciilifeform missed this

01:17:09 asciilifeform: !up referredbyloper

01:17:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=622 << yours ?

01:17:16 assbot: OLD-COMPUTERS.COM musem ~ IPTVT (Traian Vuia Polytechnical Institute) MicroTim ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZzJ6l )

01:17:37 asciilifeform: mentioned in the cia thing (p. 43)

01:17:47 asciilifeform: under brand 'amic'

01:17:56 mircea_popescu: - TIM-S: 6 Mhz mode, 80 KB RAM, 16 KB ROM <

01:19:03 mircea_popescu: and amic iirc was not actually a z80

01:19:08 mircea_popescu: it also sucked.

01:20:04 asciilifeform: http://www.homecomputer.de/images/wanted/easteurope/aMIC.jpg << it ?

01:20:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BciWBg )

01:21:01 mircea_popescu: well minus the monitor and deck tape, which are random items

01:21:44 mircea_popescu: http://www.homecomputer.de/pages/easteurope_ro.html#amic < there

01:21:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bcj8jS )

01:23:08 asciilifeform: the profusion of absolutely abysmal keyboards in '80s sovblok micros always bewildered me. any country that knows how to make ballpoint pens could have copied ibm's keyboard

01:23:30 asciilifeform: (the necessary only metallic part is the springs, quite identical to those found in pen)

01:23:39 mircea_popescu: the tim-s had a decent, steel spring actioned keyboard

01:23:51 asciilifeform: not obvious from the photo

01:24:08 mircea_popescu: they briefly used a "sealed flexible plastic sensor" bs, but got out of it within a year or so

01:26:22 mircea_popescu: the hc had a very retarded arrangement, where the straight rather than /-\ shaped keys caught, and so on.

01:26:48 mircea_popescu: but the tim-s was decent, about on par with today's no name chinese kbd

01:27:23 asciilifeform: today's disposables have no springs, only rubber bulbs (molded into a sheet)

01:27:37 mircea_popescu: (significantly harder, ofcourse, but at the time most everyone was used to manual typewriters, which is maybe 10x the force anyone born after 1980 types with)

01:27:56 *: mircea_popescu takes out a key, looks at the spring, puts it back in

01:28:17 asciilifeform: interestingly, mechanical 'underwood'-style typewriters are beloved by american 'hipster writer' types. they are easy enough to find in junk stores

01:28:30 asciilifeform: there is a kind of cargo cult appeal to the things

01:28:45 mircea_popescu: they prolly come in discount packages with leika film cams

01:28:47 mircea_popescu: for hipster couples.

01:28:51 asciilifeform: l0l

01:28:58 mircea_popescu: they could pretend it's grenwich village 1963

01:29:11 asciilifeform: what keyboard mircea_popescu has, 'unicomp' ? i know of no other that has springs but can still be described as 'disposable'

01:29:29 mircea_popescu: she could be an anais nin of photography and he could be an henry miller of poetry

01:29:29 asciilifeform: (fella i know just threw just such a keyboard out, after getting a proper 'm')

01:30:15 mircea_popescu: nfi.

01:30:17 mircea_popescu: it

01:30:43 asciilifeform: https://rakanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/unicomp.jpg

01:30:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZByjL )

01:30:53 asciilifeform: ^ they make cheap copies using classical ibm drawings

01:31:04 asciilifeform: lasts a few yrs.

01:31:22 asciilifeform: iirc it omits the steel 'anvil' found in the genuine 'm'

01:31:34 trinque: complete with speedometer

01:31:35 asciilifeform: so the pcb eventually augers in, cracks

01:33:37 *: asciilifeform likes his 'ibm m' and 'northgate' kbds but would eventually like something that doesn't throw rf around for fifty metres

01:34:33 asciilifeform: culprit, incidentally, is the scanned switching matrix, present in -all- pc keyboards.

01:34:42 mircea_popescu: http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/microtim.jpg << there

01:34:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZC4yf )

01:35:26 mircea_popescu: http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/cip3.jpg << and that's the 90s version. by then only the poor kids were still dicking around with z80s tho

01:35:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCaGc )

01:35:34 *: asciilifeform almost asked where the 'lat' key is, but then hit self on head

01:36:46 mircea_popescu: lol

01:37:03 mircea_popescu: http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/jet2.jpg << also, repurposed phone chassis

01:37:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCpRA )

01:37:35 asciilifeform: would've been classy if they'd left the cradle in, to use as accoustic modem

01:38:15 mircea_popescu: http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/1352440858_screen.png << this one's for mike_c

01:38:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCxRa )

01:39:24 mircea_popescu: "Mai erau CIP-urile, pe care incarcai interpretorul BASIC de pe caseta, era nasol ca resetai si iti lua timp si incarcarea lui. In plus ii sareau tastele in permanenta, si pierdeai si arculetele de pix din ele, se rupeau piciorusele de plastic, era aiurea."

01:39:49 mircea_popescu: "it sucked because their keys kept jumping off and you'd lose the dumbass ballpointpen springs "

01:41:52 asciilifeform: l0l

01:43:13 *: asciilifeform an hour or so ago was reassembling 'model m', dried from wash, and noticed the very fine detail on the keys which prevents popping. good injection molding tech is needed to have these.

01:44:14 asciilifeform: http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/slaktarnp90/media/IBM%20model%20M%20och%20N2/Tangentersidan.jpg.html

01:44:16 assbot: Från Sidan Photo by slaktarnp90 | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1BclZtg )

01:48:42 mike_c: mircea_popescu: that one isn't ringing a bell, but it looks fun :)

02:14:00 danielpbarron: !up ben-of-the-casca

02:14:07 ben-of-the-casca: ty!

02:14:52 ben-of-the-casca: re eulora, dpb, ive found rocks and scratches mostly by looking for things further away than the bushes are rendering

02:15:21 ben-of-the-casca: looking forward to being able to /explore tho

02:15:37 danielpbarron: i can sell you a stack of the item that gives you it :D

02:16:07 ben-of-the-casca: how much and how many?

02:16:37 danielpbarron: 23 for 0.01 ?

02:16:44 mod6: wat

02:17:26 ben-of-the-casca: let me get further bored by looking for the last item

02:17:38 ben-of-the-casca: unless mod6 just derps it over to me

02:18:28 mod6: waddya need?

02:18:49 danielpbarron: 1 of them isn't much; you don't get good results until it's mostly maxed out

02:19:03 ben-of-the-casca: not the rock, not the scratchings but that other thing

02:19:07 ben-of-the-casca: dpb aha

02:19:20 danielpbarron: for me it was the rock that i found last

02:19:26 danielpbarron: and someone had to lead me to it

02:19:47 mod6: oh those rocks

02:19:56 ben-of-the-casca: the renderings so fucked in my machine

02:20:08 mod6: i can give you one, i've only got 3.

02:20:15 ben-of-the-casca: i can see markers and items - but theyre just black

02:20:17 danielpbarron: my laptop overheats and the game goes at 3 fps but that doesn't really effect game play yet

02:20:25 danielpbarron: that's just if it's night time

02:20:35 ben-of-the-casca: OH

02:20:38 ben-of-the-casca: well then

02:20:38 mod6: dang

02:21:02 mod6: im getting 15-16 fps on my core i5 internal graphics card.

02:21:28 mod6: im the only guy in eulora right now

02:22:05 mod6: everyone else is at the club, making it rain

02:23:00 mod6: now if this kernel would just hurry up...

02:27:58 decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/chinese-hack-of-government-network-compromises-security-clearance-files/2015/06/12/9f91f146-1135-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html < sucks for usg employees

02:27:59 assbot: Chinese hack compromised security-clearance database - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia1Kd0 )

02:28:34 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162834 << yeah, all the different mechanics were a bit overwhelming at first. Starting to coalesce in my mind

02:28:34 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 23:34:43; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron information-wise steep ?

02:29:01 danielpbarron: i haven't played a game that's like this in a long while

02:30:03 danielpbarron: it's annoying now, having to click so many times to do stuff, but I understand why each step is separate

02:30:18 danielpbarron: in the future, someone can specialize each step of production

02:31:32 danielpbarron: and I upvote the named keys idea

02:32:50 danielpbarron: is it possible to make the inventory interface more like that of minecraft?

02:33:17 danielpbarron: for example, when clicking a stack of items > 1, it should just pick up the whole thing by default

02:34:01 danielpbarron: and then you can have left-click right-click and shift-click drop varying amounts

02:42:53 decimation: usg's breach is significant - they lose personal information on people whom usg asks to keep secrets

02:47:32 cazalla: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/australian-houses-are-just-glorified-tents-in-winter-20150610-ghj2ox TLDR more people die from cold in australian due to shitty homes than the hot summers we're known for

02:47:35 assbot: Australian houses are just glorified tents in winter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia3936 )

02:48:08 decimation: cazalla: I thought only the us built shit homes

02:49:39 cazalla: decimation, at least the shit homes are somewhat cheaper there.. here you pay a cool million for place with no front/back yard made of straw

02:49:47 decimation: heh

02:50:34 decimation: where does all this money come from? is it because people bid up AU$ because of the raw materials?

02:51:33 cazalla: low interest rates, deposits are given to kids from boomers, chinese investment and truckloads of negative gearing ensuring people have 4-5 investment properties

02:53:41 decimation: people have to have income to qualify for loans

02:53:47 decimation: does everyone get paid $200k?

02:55:04 cazalla: nah you don't need 200k salary, you can borrow a million on like 50k

02:56:14 decimation: heh

02:56:38 decimation: they've clamped down on lending in the us

02:56:55 decimation: you can't get a loan unless you have %20 and good credit

02:57:20 decimation: at least, not a good interest rate

02:58:40 cazalla: quick look then shows working couple who earn 50k each can borrow almost 700k

02:58:47 cazalla: over 30 years

02:59:08 decimation: wouldn't such a couple then be poor if they took such a 'deal'?

02:59:12 decimation: debt-slaves?

02:59:18 cazalla: mind you, that is pre-tax salary

03:00:49 cazalla: decimation, yeah most people are slaves.. 30 years ago it was possible for the average sole income working father, stay at home mum to buy a 1/4 acre block in the suburbs and raise 2-3 kids

03:01:30 cazalla: today you need both parents working full time with no kids or if you have kids, 1 or 2 at most put into childcare so the mother can pay half her wage for someone else to look after her kids while her other half goes on the mortgage

03:01:48 decimation: yeah that's how it is in most of the us today too

03:02:07 decimation: there's no fixed supply of dollars, so more people working just means more cost

03:02:08 cazalla: i don't even know why they do it tbh

03:02:16 decimation: well, now everyone is screwed

03:02:56 decimation: in the us the effect is worsened by the fact that near most major us cities you need to have dual incomes to 'earn' a spot in a decent school

03:03:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161917 << not bad btw

03:03:10 assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 14:48:00; danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZp7UGgBR0I

03:05:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163037 << ayup

03:05:22 assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 02:30:18; danielpbarron: in the future, someone can specialize each step of production

03:05:26 cazalla: decimation, here it is almost like every generation has to work twice as much for half of what their parents had

03:05:27 decimation: cazalla: I guess the most rational response would be to coordinate groups of people to move away from the dense cities and start new living areas

03:05:46 danielpbarron: speaking of which, is the leaky treebark flask design supposed to be blank?

03:05:59 cazalla: decimation, ah but there is no work in rural australia and if you are on welfare and move from an area of high employment to one of high unemployment, you get cut off

03:06:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163048 << the chinese

03:06:20 assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 02:50:34; decimation: where does all this money come from? is it because people bid up AU$ because of the raw materials?

03:06:24 mircea_popescu: they have literally infinite USD

03:06:35 cazalla: decimation, so to go rural, you need enough money to own it upfront and enough to last you for however long you may live

03:06:49 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron nope. it's supposed to have been fixed like three revisions ago o.O

03:07:07 cazalla: decimation, and rural.. as in the middle of nowhere, you are still paying more (100k-200k) than american suburbs

03:07:15 decimation: cazalla: yeah I guess my point is that they could start a new city there

03:07:24 decimation: but it sounds like that's already been priced out

03:07:36 decimation: why some wasteland in australia is worth $100k...

03:08:01 decimation: even good farmland in iowa goes for $5k an acre

03:08:45 cazalla: you can go cheaper - abandoned mining towns - but then you have to deal with fucked up water and environment

03:08:53 cazalla: might set you back 50k for that

03:09:34 decimation: yeah I agree with mircea, it sounds to me that the chinese have bid australia to the moon

03:10:26 cazalla: yeah, they can buy citizenship here too for 5 million so those clever chinese were giving the AU gov 5 million, borrowing the 5 million back from some chinese lender and then using that to buy 5 million in property once they got here

03:11:45 cazalla: i'd like to think it will end soon as i don't see how people can be squeezed any further at this point but asciilifeform reminded me that there is still much fat left to be trimmed

03:13:05 cazalla: fwiw, missus and i have no rent or mortgage and it is still hard

03:13:22 cazalla: so i imagine those people with mortgages will soon eat chum (dog food) if they are not already

03:15:05 decimation: yeah if they aren't already

03:15:58 cazalla: i mean, kid my age who lived on my street regularly ate his cat's cat food

03:18:17 mod6: omg and we have grub that works...

03:19:25 decimation: you can live on rice and beans pretty cheap

03:19:48 mod6: trinque's script & help got this pos up and running on gentoo hardened w/uclibc finally.

03:20:01 mod6: i had a problem with my disk paritions

03:20:05 cazalla: decimation, aussies like their meat, pet food or not

03:20:11 *: mod6 straps on a napkin and eats a sack of dead crows

03:20:23 decimation: better start hunting 'roos

03:20:35 decimation: or dingos :)

03:23:08 cazalla: birds might be easier tbh plus the abo word for budgerigar is good eating

03:23:34 cazalla: with no guns, having to spear or tackle a roo could get you killed, fucking things kick

03:24:47 decimation: heh oh yeah I forgot they took yer guns too

03:25:06 mircea_popescu: no guns in australia ? lmao

03:25:11 mircea_popescu: twerps, seriously.

03:26:00 decimation: mircea_popescu: how do you think they will be described by chinese historians 1000 years from now?

03:26:09 mircea_popescu: "aboriginals"

03:26:13 decimation: lolz

03:26:17 cazalla: yeah, bow and arrow ban in the pipeline too

03:26:21 mircea_popescu: same thing we called the papuans or w/e

03:32:03 cazalla: meh, they aren't really any abos left anyway, they are all half bloods at best

03:33:05 decimation: no, I think mircea meant the people who are willing to trade hard assets to the chinese in exchange for paper and promises

03:33:11 cazalla: but even if you're 1/8 abo, you can claim extra assistance from the government, so according to the census there are more abos than ever before

03:34:01 cazalla: yeah stupid thing that

03:34:16 decimation: the natives have the same racket here, and also in canada

03:36:56 asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << empty hopper, will refill tomorrow. anyone who wants to get phuctored in short order, plz now.

03:38:04 decimation: asciilifeform: interesting the 'me.com' and 'mac.com'

03:38:05 asciilifeform: and yes, ~500MB product.

03:38:38 asciilifeform: (decimal, if feeling nitpicky)

03:39:30 asciilifeform: unrelated:

03:39:36 asciilifeform: http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb-web/ibm-capsense-usb.html << anyone here own one of these ?

03:40:20 asciilifeform: ^ apparently 'ibm model m' was itself a cheapening of a previous ancestral tech

03:40:57 decimation: asciilifeform: you ever heard of a 'model f'

03:41:06 decimation: aha it talks about them

03:41:10 asciilifeform: decimation: got one

03:41:17 asciilifeform: decimation: but not a modernized controller for it

03:41:23 asciilifeform: (the one it shipped with did not emit 'break' codes)

03:41:43 asciilifeform: the linked www is about an earlier-still keyboard, which used capacitance-based switches

03:41:45 decimation: asciilifeform: this guy sells controllers http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-IBM-4704-Banking-System-Keyboard-TESTED-107-Key-Model-F-6020218-/281689692136?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41960397e8

03:41:47 assbot: Original IBM 4704 Banking System Keyboard Tested 107 Key Model F 6020218 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4lly7 )

03:41:47 asciilifeform: theoretically - eternal

03:41:55 asciilifeform: and (this is not stated, but i hypothesize) rf-quiet

03:42:21 asciilifeform: decimation: i don't want a usb controller...

03:42:35 decimation: heh I suspected no

03:45:29 decimation: still you could use his mod as a starting point

03:45:54 asciilifeform: ars longa vita brevis (tm) (r)

03:46:25 asciilifeform: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Beam_spring << more

03:46:27 assbot: Beam spring - Deskthority wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4lPUU )

03:46:33 decimation: at any rate I like that keyboard for sale, lots of reassignable keys

03:46:58 decimation: also model f keyboards were full "nkro"

03:47:08 decimation: that might affect rf quietness

03:47:12 *: asciilifeform never had problems with rollover

03:47:31 decimation: yeah it really only matters for gamers who wann mash 5 keys at once

03:48:34 asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Huge-IBM-5251-Mechanical-Beam-Spring-Keyboard-CLICKY-Display-Terminal-UK-/151686841869 << exists also on ebay. looks quite like the older of my two lispm keyboards (which did not click)

03:48:36 assbot: Vintage Huge IBM 5251 Mechanical Beam Spring Keyboard Clicky Display Terminal UK | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1BcBvp8 )

03:49:10 decimation: heh. I wonder if that's a serial output

03:49:54 asciilifeform: all keyboards have 'serial' output, one way or another

03:50:20 asciilifeform: but afaik none spoke traditional rs232. would've involved too much active logic.

03:51:07 decimation: yeah

03:51:23 decimation: the 'model f' I linked appears to have 'meta' key

03:55:40 asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/Symbolics3600Keyboard.png << typical keyboard of the period. reversed (laboriously) by yours truly.

03:55:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BcCBkw )

03:56:27 decimation: asciilifeform: did you get it to work as 'ps/2'?

03:56:38 asciilifeform: decimation: no, but some german fella got it as usb.

03:56:42 asciilifeform: based on this sketch

03:56:58 asciilifeform: i had it as a parallel port widget for a while.

03:57:12 decimation: heh

03:57:19 decimation: has 'meta, super' keys?

04:24:57 asciilifeform: decimation: http://webwit.nl/input/misc/symbolics2.jpg << old-style bottom; top - 'new'

04:24:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L6tG7z )

04:25:16 asciilifeform: (i have both)

05:37:45 cazalla: looking like ethereum is imploding.. who could've known.. oh btw investors are now donors lol https://standardcrypto.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/ethereum-deputy-calls-investors-donors-in-leaked-skype-chat/

05:37:46 assbot: Memo to Ethereum Foundation Council: impudence begins with calling your investors “donors” | StandardCrypto ... ( http://bit.ly/1eau47L )

06:09:04 punkman: !up Vexual

06:09:38 Vexual: thanks, whats that for?

06:12:15 Vexual: fluffypony: you should see the roo aside the road that flexes as though it might jump

06:17:05 Vexual: trollish fuckers would surely time a bound to land on one or your lions heads mario style

06:20:23 Vexual: you're not playing mp's doom wad punkman?

06:22:00 Vexual: eulora

06:23:37 punkman: I tried it

06:23:46 Vexual: any good?

06:23:57 punkman: if you like beta testing

06:24:36 Vexual: hey if i can build it i will come

06:26:14 punkman: there are binaries built already, you'll need to gpg for an account though

06:26:25 Vexual: what have you been doing?

06:26:51 Vexual: yes yes, a different affair from 12 months ago where i attempted to build

06:28:24 Vexual: it definately want ready then

06:29:25 Vexual: its a 3rd person 3d thing huh?

06:29:41 punkman: ye

06:32:21 Vexual: will it rift?

06:33:25 Vexual: ie is it low on bullshit lightning etc

06:36:47 Vexual: in any case it seems like many folks will wanna focus on it

06:37:54 Vexual: i heard about screenshots, but now that the logs are a 4 drink minimum, i missed em

06:46:29 punkman: !up Vexual

06:49:43 punkman: what's rift?

06:50:04 Vexual: the r headset thing

06:50:12 Vexual: *vr

06:50:35 Vexual: sold to facebook and microsoft

06:52:33 punkman: well everyone would want to use a headset looking under women's skirts

06:52:42 punkman: but probably not happening

06:53:18 Vexual: theres a jap demo for that

06:54:14 punkman: https://umbragame.com/about-the-game/

06:54:16 assbot: The Game | Umbra ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQR829 )

06:54:37 punkman: gotta say the CryEngine looks nice

06:55:16 Vexual: i thought u were all cga

06:56:20 punkman: Eulora would work nice as a MUD

06:56:39 Vexual: whats the difference?

06:57:52 punkman: can't fit much in 320 pixels

06:57:58 Vexual: gotta pay someone to move around with text based advice?

06:58:56 Vexual: well mp did say new clients are welcomed

06:59:25 Vexual: play it on ur audi dash

06:59:43 Vexual: just dont confuse the maps

07:04:39 punkman: http://www.nber.org/papers/w15884

07:04:41 assbot: The Shanxi Banks ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQauuv )

07:05:58 Vexual: shit, ive heard the name, i never knew they fancied themselves as bankers

07:07:12 Vexual: do the girls dress fancy?

07:10:48 Vexual: prolly not

07:12:41 Vexual: i dont remeber a shanxigirl in nanjing

07:13:11 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8JnfbpHQ4k

07:13:12 assbot: Road To Shaanxi - Revelation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQb9fx )

07:31:24 punkman: !up Vexual

09:18:39 cazalla: https://i.imgur.com/QxXHbsS.jpg

09:18:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxRWgg )

10:50:21 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156223 < you can have that done by a 'pro' for a few bucks btw. totally worth it if your time has any value.

10:50:21 assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 18:55:43; ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156199 << -if- you know how. otherwise it's a waste of precious and entirely nonrenewable resource (model m)

13:35:17 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163165 < many lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/39mhko/does_eth_intend_to_release_financial_statements/cs4u4im

13:35:17 assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 05:37:45; cazalla: looking like ethereum is imploding.. who could've known.. oh btw investors are now donors lol https://standardcrypto.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/ethereum-deputy-calls-investors-donors-in-leaked-skype-chat/

13:35:18 assbot: xcthulhu comments on Does eth intend to release financial statements, investor relations reports, etc.? ... ( http://bit.ly/1cSrsdj )

13:35:45 asciilifeform: l0l!

13:35:52 asciilifeform: it was alive ?!

13:43:44 kakobrekla: > folks keep trying to offer me mining gigs in exotic places < lol, yeah i also can get a job as a diaper changer in a local nursery

14:26:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: key pump is back on, using somewhat faster proggy

14:26:46 mircea_popescu: cool!

14:27:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apparently rewrite using something other than sqlite seems inevitable. db is getting abominably slow.

14:27:45 mircea_popescu: heh

14:27:59 mircea_popescu: any idea what causes it ? the lengthy P ?

14:28:03 asciilifeform: nah

14:28:07 asciilifeform: it doesn't live in db

14:28:17 asciilifeform: just the overall size of the data set

14:32:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1B9S7EG.txt

14:32:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QvezIz )

14:32:40 kakobrekla: whats the current size of sqlite db?

14:32:40 mircea_popescu: is sql that bad that data set size chokes it ?!

14:33:05 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: ~3.5G

14:33:37 kakobrekla: heh, put it to ram + snapshoots ?

14:33:49 asciilifeform: though i'm seeing conflicting info re: optimal size for these

14:34:18 mircea_popescu: how much ram would it eat, any idea /

14:34:35 kakobrekla: ~3.5G

14:34:36 kakobrekla: :D

14:35:43 kakobrekla: or dunno, dance with the devil and take the ssd :)

14:36:05 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it's on a box mircea_popescu supplied, subcontracted from some orc

14:36:24 asciilifeform: overall pretty decent one

14:36:27 asciilifeform: but, afaik, no ssd

14:36:59 kakobrekla: lucky box isnt welded shut

14:37:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dja eat the 24g or whatever it had for teh maths ? or can spare the 4g ?

14:37:42 asciilifeform: good deal of free mem

14:37:54 asciilifeform: but doing just about any of this would blow up the complexity of the thing 50x.

14:38:11 asciilifeform: will have to think

14:39:15 mircea_popescu: just set the db to ram, it has a switch

14:39:52 asciilifeform: this would work if i didn't have separate unix processes using it simultaneously.

14:40:14 asciilifeform: phuctor is really a severe abuse of 'sqlite'

14:41:50 asciilifeform: 'all database connections sharing the in-memory database need to be in the same process.' << from docs.

14:41:59 asciilifeform: (and pretty obvious)

14:42:17 mircea_popescu: heh myeah.

14:43:01 asciilifeform: 'ten pounds of shit in a two-pound bag' (tm) (r)

14:43:12 mircea_popescu: i don't think the bag makers can be blamed for this one

14:43:32 *: asciilifeform didn't blame the bag-makers

14:43:41 *: asciilifeform will have to stitch a new bag

14:43:46 kakobrekla: would moving the file to ramdisk make a diff?

14:43:59 kakobrekla: and using non in-memory db

14:44:04 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: doubtful. kernel is already caching disk

14:44:15 asciilifeform: plus i'd have to persist the thing -somehow-

14:44:18 mircea_popescu: does it cache it enough tho

14:44:43 asciilifeform: ipso facto not enough

14:44:50 mircea_popescu: so then does it have a knob

14:45:30 mircea_popescu: $ sudo sig-cache-more-plox kernel

14:46:09 mircea_popescu: you know templeos is only a step in that direction, i'd like to see unix skinned by valley girls, upper east side hipsters, mexicans, etc.

14:46:21 asciilifeform: there are knobs but, iirc, turning them risks data loss.

14:46:32 mircea_popescu: $ like totally what's even here ?

14:46:56 asciilifeform: templeos isn't a unix

14:47:04 mircea_popescu: i didn't say it was!

14:47:15 asciilifeform: not sure what 'skinned' is then

14:47:19 mircea_popescu: not more than you blamed the bag makers, at any rate

14:48:20 asciilifeform: lol

14:48:33 mircea_popescu: hehe

14:50:16 asciilifeform: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/play.html << good intro to subject

15:21:02 asciilifeform: in other news, there are giant wasps living in one of my walls.

15:21:19 mircea_popescu: spiders and all ?

15:21:39 asciilifeform: no idea what others. but the wasps are audible.

15:22:22 asciilifeform: ^ this is a known problem in this part of the world. once there was even a colony infesting side mirror of my brother's car. it was actually nifty, he could pull the mirror adjustment joystick and release swarm at passing cyclists

15:26:27 mircea_popescu: lmao

15:26:46 mircea_popescu: i'd like a brother like that.

15:27:09 asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu has sister ?

15:27:23 mircea_popescu: i do.

15:27:32 mircea_popescu: she just got married, actually.

15:27:57 asciilifeform: anything notable about the marriage ?

15:28:59 mircea_popescu: nope

15:30:05 *: asciilifeform wonders what lives in BingoBoingo's mega-car

15:30:21 asciilifeform: or pete_dushenski's

15:30:38 mircea_popescu: ah, that's easy. dead hookers.

15:32:07 asciilifeform: every car owner knows of animals 'preyed on' by the machines, but not always about the... revenge. there are beasts here, for instance (iirc groundhogs) which will chew through brake lines and coolant hoses

15:32:37 asciilifeform: like the famous rats of stalingrad, which chewed through delicious electrical cables, taking out tank turret rotators

15:33:43 asciilifeform: (by some accounts, only one side had 'tasty' cable insulation. but -which- side - varies)

15:35:19 mircea_popescu: heh

15:52:29 menahem: hey mircea_popescu, what is your backup plan? in the event someone like the USG ..tries.. to pwn you? mpex, coins, etc?

15:53:00 mircea_popescu: oh, in the event it ~tries~ ?

15:53:06 mircea_popescu: blog about it. haven't you noticed ?

15:53:35 asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/TLvwKz1.png << mysterious object i saw in a movie. wonder if mircea_popescu can identify.

15:53:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPLVwl )

15:53:58 asciilifeform: 'tineye' finds nothing, 'google images' finds toilets

15:56:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00038517 = 1.9259 BTC [+]

15:57:06 mircea_popescu: something photographed with a potato ?

15:57:24 asciilifeform: mno

15:57:48 mircea_popescu: cunt massager ?

15:57:59 mats: s.mpoe sleeps

15:58:05 asciilifeform: object sorta resembled the hypothetical device from old thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#896738

15:58:05 assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 05:49:56; mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the ultimate girl toilet, what is all this "lift the seat, lower the seat" bs.

15:58:22 mircea_popescu: why do you suspect that ?

15:58:27 menahem: ya, I have. mostly I guess in the event of physical illness.. an heir of sorts ?

15:58:39 mircea_popescu: i'm not even 40.

15:59:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only suspected from the geometry. it's more or less exactly like i imagined it would look like.

15:59:26 mircea_popescu: and i intend to withdraw long before advanced age makes the crown too heavy to carry. i have a fucking life to live outside of public service.

15:59:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah because the receptacle appears rigid. girls pee at many angles.

15:59:50 menahem: lol

16:00:03 menahem: sznipers, chemical concoctions, etc.

16:00:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, i once read a (ru) ph.d. dissertation on this subject.

16:00:51 asciilifeform: (re: anatomical variations and consequences thereof. based on thousands of hours of 'wild' pr0n from various nations)

16:01:00 mircea_popescu: menahem what you don't likely know is that i lived a decade and change of my life previously also with people tastiung my food etc.

16:01:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems reasonable >D

16:02:09 menahem: in other words, you've mentally hard wired protections for yourself ?

16:02:29 mats: lol

16:02:58 mircea_popescu: in any case, how did that quote go, "i bequeath

16:03:47 mircea_popescu: bequeath ?my sword to him that shall succeed me in my pilgrimage, and my courage and skill to him that can get it.?

16:05:05 asciilifeform: convo with pet: 'her: why have you not opened mircea_popescu's champagne? me: it is for victory. her: and if you are defeated: me: enemy can drink it then'

16:05:17 kakobrekla: lol

16:05:32 kakobrekla: !b 2

16:05:32 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/38D9CX6.txt )

16:05:35 mircea_popescu: eh you should drink it. for one thing, there's more for victory, and for another bottled champagne doens't keep forever.

16:05:37 kakobrekla: ill remove my line, dun worry.

16:05:57 asciilifeform: gotta go to victory soon, then, eh

16:06:12 kakobrekla: how long does the bottle last anyway?

16:06:17 mircea_popescu: a few years

16:06:23 menahem: it's well on its way, from what i gather.

16:06:25 mircea_popescu: it becomes more and more sec as the time goes by

16:09:05 kakobrekla: so the SEC will get sec wine, no problemos.

16:10:31 mircea_popescu: if they don't mind it yellow.

16:11:36 Naphex: https://xotika.tv/#/channel-6/DiamondMaria enjoy bros :p

16:11:37 assbot: XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4FUoZ )

16:11:42 Naphex: still fixing shitload of ui javascript issuess

16:11:46 Naphex: but there we go

16:12:01 fluffypony: Naphex: saw it announced on Reddit, well done

16:12:37 Naphex: fluffypony: thanks man

16:12:59 *: mircea_popescu fires up a normal browser

16:13:09 fluffypony: ZOMG IT DOESN'T WORK IN LYNX

16:13:11 fluffypony: :-

16:13:12 fluffypony: p

16:13:13 fluffypony: ffs.

16:13:13 Naphex: mircea_popescu: javascript and flash required so fire up the lowly ones:P

16:13:33 fluffypony: for that sort of thing it is nice that Chrome has Flash baked in

16:13:48 mircea_popescu: fluffypony do not hate me because i am lithe!

16:14:30 fluffypony: but how will you browse without JavaScript animationzzzzz

16:14:47 Naphex: fluffypony: no idea :))

16:14:52 Naphex: so much to debug in angularjs

16:15:06 fluffypony: I have a love/hate relationship with Angular

16:15:11 fluffypony: it does so much that is awesome

16:15:19 fluffypony: but then...you know...JavaScript

16:15:26 Naphex: oh man... javascript

16:15:36 fluffypony: most depressing language

16:17:00 mircea_popescu: Naphex well everything loads but no video plays, dunno if there was supposed to play anything

16:17:03 mircea_popescu: nice clean look tho

16:17:20 Naphex: mircea_popescu: the first link went in pause try the browse channel

16:17:22 Naphex: mircea_popescu: https://xotika.tv/#/channel-19/Sonia

16:17:22 assbot: XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPNPNy )

16:17:31 mircea_popescu: ah kk

16:17:44 Naphex: mircea_popescu: a lot more to clean up and annoying js bugs around but yeha went fine:D

16:18:59 mircea_popescu: well browse's broken on this browser, no doubt on account of it being prolly too old. anyway.

16:19:20 Naphex: mircea_popescu: try chrome, only tested in chrome atm

16:19:23 Naphex: firefox blows up

16:19:35 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron bingoboingo an' any other b-a single gentlemen - if you want to try this out ima give you a bitcent to tip the chciks and then you can pester naphex with how broken it is. dump addies.

16:26:22 danielpbarron: unsafe:bitcoin:1FuKNdUgR1ytXnVNAiXCYS7whP99e2vj43?label=XotikaTV

16:27:02 danielpbarron: https://medium.com/bitcoin-think/the-bitcoin-gauntlet-e9e721297aca << starts off with a link and quote from fraudsters

16:27:03 assbot: The Bitcoin Gauntlet — Bitcoin Think — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPOCxN )

16:27:03 scoopbot_revived: The Birdcage http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-birdcage/

16:28:31 Naphex: btw, i'm hiring angular/javascript coders for the frontend. if anyone interested shoot me a /m \

16:28:51 Naphex: payments in bitcoin, ofc

16:33:13 danielpbarron: >> Ultimately this is yet another reason why Bitcoin is not money; it is something that is collectively controlled by consensus, unlike money which is accepted by consensus. In any new definition of money there should be a clause saying that its nature is independent of anyone's opinion or act.

16:33:40 mircea_popescu: heh

16:33:45 mircea_popescu: bring back plato

16:33:46 mxtm: lol

16:33:49 mxtm: that's hilarious

16:33:54 mircea_popescu: somebody didn't go to school.

16:36:48 mircea_popescu: Essentially, ?Megablock Bitcoin? will be exactly like the Apple App Store. <<< mmmm yeah.

16:39:02 mircea_popescu: anyway, guy gets it.

16:42:18 danielpbarron: https://medium.com/@allenpiscitello/what-is-bitcoin-s-value-proposition-b7309be442e3 << this guy also gets it

16:42:39 danielpbarron: >> This is in large part due to a nostalgia for the Bitcoin of the past. As Bitcoin grows, we cannot guarantee which parts of the accidental benefits will still be present. However, the fundamental properties must remain. Without it, Bitcoin offers nothing that isn't already offered.

16:43:59 mircea_popescu: cool.

16:47:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: footnote 2 is a winner

16:47:48 mircea_popescu: aha

16:48:12 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#922121 << related

16:48:12 assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 21:29:47; asciilifeform: the idea in the article can (and has) been rephrased like this. if you remove all the 'suggestively-named strings' like 'understand' - and replace with 'gensyms' - e.g., 100324 - does the resulting machine still do or even appear to do anything of interest?

16:48:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3510 @ 0.00038168 = 1.3397 BTC [-]

16:51:58 mircea_popescu: exactly that.

16:52:20 mircea_popescu: to be perfectly fair, in the same session i also explained my view on cheating on university examinations,

16:53:09 mircea_popescu: specifically that it is not merely cheating to be given in advance the questions which will constitute the exam (which, to my undying amazement, i found out is by now actually standard practice in the us), but even to be given any sort of selected reading material that contains a larger density of answers than the average for the entire world text.

16:53:39 mircea_popescu: usually known as "course material", ie, "these few pageswhich if you read, you should be able to answer anything"

16:53:43 mircea_popescu: fuck that stupid shit. go read.

16:55:23 asciilifeform: sorta reminds me of how i, as a boy, saw a brass band, and asked my father why they don't simply connect a compressor to the tuba and avoid the strain. and answered 'from this, just one step to dispensing with the tubist entirely'. and hence just the same here, from this just one small step to asking 'why even do this university thing'

16:56:23 mircea_popescu: no.

16:56:36 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2014#729349 << obligatory mark tarver thread

16:56:36 assbot: Logged on 23-06-2014 00:11:01; mircea_popescu: After seven years of the new regime, I had the opportunity to compare the class of 1999 with the class of 1992. In 1992 I set an course in Artificial Intelligence requiring students to solve six exercises, including building a Prolog interpreter. In 1999, six exercises had shrunk to one; which was a 12 line Prolog program for which eight weeks were allotted for students to write it. A special class

16:56:52 mircea_popescu: university is important because the close physical proximity is a requisite for fucking in retards, and students are yet retarded

16:57:24 asciilifeform: thought that's what grade school was for

16:58:15 mircea_popescu: do you mean grad school or pre-highschool ?

16:58:21 asciilifeform: (2)

16:58:31 mircea_popescu: i doubt 14yo boys are sexually mature enough really.

16:59:04 asciilifeform: 'fucking in' << interesting term

17:01:04 asciilifeform: who gets 'fucked in' at university, and how ?

17:06:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21290 @ 0.00038168 = 8.126 BTC [-]

17:07:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63637 @ 0.00038119 = 24.2578 BTC [-] {2}

17:08:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, "fucking in retards", like "reproduction in mammals"

17:08:22 mircea_popescu: <behaviour> in <group>

17:08:57 asciilifeform: ah

17:09:28 asciilifeform: the non-retarded can fuck over telegraph ?

17:09:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4077 @ 0.00038384 = 1.5649 BTC [+]

17:10:48 mircea_popescu: well think, they can afford to fly.

17:13:26 mircea_popescu: but that said, the wot model does dispense with most of the previous advantages of university

17:13:50 mircea_popescu: so no, i don't see any sort of future for that model, which is EXACTLY why i pointed out to tim whatshisname that either he gets with the program or he goes live in the sewer.

17:14:41 asciilifeform: uni is really two (conflicting) beasts in one

17:15:19 asciilifeform: the adult camp, where various (presently, usg-ized to the point of utter inefficacy) folks play with electron microscope, etc

17:15:23 asciilifeform: and the kidz camp

17:16:12 asciilifeform: we don't actually have a replacement for the former, to pick off the shelf and screw in.

17:16:26 mircea_popescu: yes, we do. ideally you should have sharing.

17:16:50 mircea_popescu: like, you knock off to decimation and two friends over gossipd "can you ploxpoint your microtelescope at the x y z and send me the dump ?"

17:17:00 mircea_popescu: and they do it or not and there you go.

17:17:05 asciilifeform: aha but this requires a chum with access.

17:17:24 asciilifeform: this is how it is done today. and the chum 100% works in academitardia.

17:17:34 asciilifeform: (or he doesn't, and no microscope)

17:18:13 asciilifeform: see how it worked for schwartz

17:18:24 asciilifeform: he just wanted to borrow one piddling little torsion balance, aha.

17:19:23 mircea_popescu: he had no wot.

17:19:48 asciilifeform: this is not a defense of the 'old model', but merely pointing out that 1) it is dead, yes 2) we have no replacement for it, not even in the sense that a horse can replace a broken-down motorcycle

17:20:10 asciilifeform: we mostly have a broken motorbike and making 'zoom, zoom' sounds

17:21:56 mircea_popescu: so if i want a 3d printed item, which university i call ?

17:22:03 asciilifeform: bad example

17:22:06 mircea_popescu: you will notice that the capital base of the oldmodel is dying into irreelvancy

17:22:09 asciilifeform: 'printer' costs less than laptop

17:22:11 mircea_popescu: no, it's a great example, for this reason.

17:22:24 asciilifeform: there is ~no~ 'common man's' electron microscope

17:22:30 asciilifeform: nor, for fundamental physical reasons, is there likely to be

17:22:46 mircea_popescu: the middle of electron microscopes is thinning out.

17:22:47 asciilifeform: hence why i use this item as example

17:23:01 mircea_popescu: research either happens on 500 dollar 3d printers, or else on 500 trillion hadron colliders

17:23:12 mircea_popescu: thgere's going to be one of the latter and an infinity of the former.

17:23:18 mircea_popescu: and there's likely going ot be 0 of the middle.

17:23:56 asciilifeform: most practical work in experimental-anything actually happens on the 'middle' (as in, 'more than a car, less than a house' (tm) machinery)

17:24:07 mircea_popescu: yet.

17:24:16 mircea_popescu: most by headcount, least by value anyway

17:25:05 asciilifeform: better example of 'middle'. my local uni has a 1980s-style ic fab. just sitting there.

17:25:11 mircea_popescu: this is kind-of why it's so damned important we start making right things

17:25:16 asciilifeform: it isn't a '500 trillion collider' but definitely more than '500 printer'

17:25:17 mircea_popescu: it is perhaps the last diamond train to do so.

17:25:19 mircea_popescu: last one.

17:26:43 asciilifeform: ?

17:27:26 mircea_popescu: if you need anything that has to be made on something in the middle, make it now.

17:27:33 mircea_popescu: because it's unlikely you'll be able to in the future.

17:27:42 asciilifeform: ah, that.

17:27:55 mircea_popescu: just like if you wanted a good plate mail, have it made in 1650.

17:28:03 asciilifeform: obligatory: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/02/industrys-parting-gifts.html

17:28:04 assbot: ClubOrlov: Industry's Parting Gifts ... ( http://bit.ly/1QVyBaf )

17:29:59 asciilifeform: the 'unlikely in the future' thing is why i view the present situation as a dire one. at present, 'we' don't have access to any of these things.

17:30:05 mircea_popescu: anyway, ftr : i don't expect the electric grid will cease to exist.

17:30:11 asciilifeform: (speaking only for self, sure)

17:30:11 mircea_popescu: i do expect the poor will stop having sewage.

17:32:52 mircea_popescu: i suppose a version of the above "make it now" is what drives your hoarding behaviour

17:32:59 asciilifeform: aha.

17:33:29 asciilifeform: sometimes, literally (i'm getting a crate of east german z80 in the post a month or so from now)

17:33:36 mircea_popescu: heh

17:33:49 asciilifeform: and more than a handful of 'cosmac's

17:34:04 asciilifeform: not like they take up much space.

17:34:51 mircea_popescu: lol

17:35:20 *: mircea_popescu despairs of ever moving alf anywhere.

17:35:31 asciilifeform: l0l

17:35:51 asciilifeform: everything 'archaeological' i have could probably fit in a small car boot.

17:36:11 asciilifeform: everything else is a 'middle'.

17:36:50 mircea_popescu: you know, YOU should probably start a harem

17:37:01 mircea_popescu: it can be purely platonic, "you may touch the instruments" thing

17:37:12 asciilifeform: 'outpatient' harem ?

17:37:30 mircea_popescu: alf & pet's magical hardware emporium.

17:38:04 mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, you ever computed aggregate monthly utilisation of your capital goods ?

17:38:07 *: asciilifeform wonders in what part of the world gurlz are into archaeohardware

17:38:30 mircea_popescu: there's billions of them, and they are very educable.

17:38:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good question. do you remember what u. eco said when asked how many of the books in his library he has read ?

17:39:01 asciilifeform: (iirc it was 'if i had read them, why would i park them in my shelf')

17:39:50 mircea_popescu: thinkaboutit

17:40:37 *: asciilifeform if knew how to program gurlz, would be doing it now, rather than writing a list of items to fetch from maths lib. before it closes for the night

17:44:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163165 << lollercaust from coast to coast.

17:44:46 assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 05:37:45; cazalla: looking like ethereum is imploding.. who could've known.. oh btw investors are now donors lol https://standardcrypto.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/ethereum-deputy-calls-investors-donors-in-leaked-skype-chat/

17:45:22 mircea_popescu: and obviously mike & gavincoin's dog and pony show have yet to address the fact that "hey, we are ehtereum 2.0, we have the support of "investors" and so on"

17:46:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163199 << the limit is not the engine but the graphics work. so far realtively little of that done.

17:46:38 assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 06:56:20; punkman: Eulora would work nice as a MUD

17:52:21 danielpbarron: http://kaykurokawa.blogspot.com/2015/06/front-running-decentralized-exchanges.html >> But they are wrong because a centralized exchange faces serious damage in its reputation and business if it is revealed that they are front running. Bitcoin hard liners will scoff at this idea but believe it or not, some systems work fine based on reputation and trust.

17:52:22 assbot: kaykurokawa: Front running Decentralized Exchanges: The problem with Augur, Bitshares, Nxt, and Counterparty ... ( http://bit.ly/1QvEwaQ )

17:52:56 danielpbarron: found this while researching why XCP went up 30% over the last few days

18:04:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00038384 = 8.3485 BTC [+]

18:05:09 danielpbarron: http://shitco.in/2015/06/13/life-is-a-pump-and-dump-front-run-the-xcp-pump/ << ah, this explains why

18:05:10 assbot: shitco.in | Life Is A Pump And Dump, Front Run The XCP Pump ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5NfK4 )

18:05:24 danielpbarron: >> Disclaimer: We are long XCP. While everyone was out chasing unicorn dust in alts, we have been accumulating XCP, bitchez.

18:18:44 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron "bitcoin hardliners" is becoming the #1 strawman. #shitlibertardssay

18:19:25 mircea_popescu: the opinions about the Mysts of Mystery emitted by fans of the power rangers and co.

18:24:19 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1162961 << my laptop's b key has finally stopped working after years of the 'key' not actually being attached (the rubber bulb still worked)

18:24:19 assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 01:27:23; asciilifeform: today's disposables have no springs, only rubber bulbs (molded into a sheet)

18:25:03 danielpbarron: I now have to use a full size keyboard plugged into my laptop; thing might as well be a desktop now especially since wifi hasn't worked ever since I switched from ubuntu to gentoo

18:26:11 danielpbarron: it's surprising how many sentences I can type without access to the letter 'b' but ultimately I end up needing it quite a bit (barron, bitcoin, bible)

18:30:01 mircea_popescu: you could map it...

18:37:35 kakobrekla: or just use 'lorrd', 'nonscamcoin', and 'the fairy tale' instead.

18:42:42 mircea_popescu: llol

19:01:14 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what laptop is it you have where you can't find a new kbd on, e.g., 'ebay' ? a 'tadpole' ?!

19:02:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00038517 = 11.2084 BTC [+]

19:07:10 danielpbarron: i haven't looked

19:07:36 trinque: danielpbarron: to the xmodmap with ye

19:07:44 danielpbarron: it didn't occur to me to even try replacing a keyboard on a laptop

19:08:00 *: danielpbarron is ok with occasionally reaching to the floor to press the 'b' key

19:08:01 asciilifeform: '-- my tyre has a nail in it. car won't go straight. -- have you tried finding a swap? -- haven't looked'

19:08:43 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: generally, i won't even keep a laptop in the house unless i have several 'organ donors' for it

19:09:00 kakobrekla: same here

19:09:12 *: danielpbarron takes notes

19:18:15 asciilifeform: in other 'news,'

19:18:23 asciilifeform: http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/_niece/3991032/81266/81266_original.jpg << empress maria theresa whipping her childrenz.

19:18:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Baqxkj )

19:18:54 asciilifeform: ('national museum,' warsaw)

19:19:23 mod6: <+danielpbarron> it's surprising how many sentences I can type without access to the letter 'b' but ultimately I end up needing it quite a bit (barron, bitcoin, bible) << reminds me of my broken 'O' key on my asus laptop these guys saw at c3. i still havent fixed it. haha.

19:19:48 asciilifeform: what other kinds of broken everyday objects do you folks put up with ?

19:19:58 asciilifeform: how many three-legged tables, chairs ?

19:20:13 *: asciilifeform mildly horrified

19:20:38 mod6: i have a $100 car that the drivers side window doesn't roll down, and the passenger side doesn't roll up. no rear view mirror (it fell off) and the side mirror is taped on with Ninja Turtle ductape.

19:20:57 mod6: (it's like -25 F sometimes here in the winter. try driving down the freeway with that!)

19:21:34 mod6: but the idea here is that i put no $ into it, and when the wheels fall off, i'll pitch the keys on the seat and go find another.

19:21:42 asciilifeform: mod6: you can get schematics and parts list for just about any car on ru warez

19:24:57 mod6: *nod* i went so long without a car, it's hard for me to spend any money on that stuff at all. if i could still get away with not having one, i would.

19:28:33 mod6: speaking of which... i think i've got one wheelbearing that's about to sieze

19:28:43 mod6: sounds horrible. lol

19:29:20 mod6: i used to wrench on stuff a lot myself, but now (last ~15 years) have no time. too much comp stuff to work on.

19:30:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.0003785 = 10.3709 BTC [-] {2}

19:30:38 mod6: my old man would be horrified that i don't fix the shit on my car. he was a "car guy". used to wrench on stuff, build his own racecars, was an expert mechanic.

19:30:44 mod6: but w/e.

19:31:18 trinque: pain in the ass to work on cars if you don't have the right garage setup to do it

19:31:41 mod6: that's about 75% of the battle yes. tools + place to work on the stuff.

19:31:46 trinque: I still change my oil in the apt parking lot, but wouldn't bother with much more than that

19:32:32 mod6: i haven't changed the oil on this pos since i bought it. but then again, i've only put on like 2800 miles.

19:32:48 mod6: i don't drive very much, and if i do, it's not very far.

19:33:21 mod6: i guess i did throw in a quart once. but that doesn't count. sob is probably dying to have the filter & oil changed.

19:33:30 trinque: haha

19:33:35 trinque: making oil candles in there

19:34:05 mod6: yeah, it's not good. its a 2000 oldsmobile.

19:34:12 mod6: rust all over.

19:34:42 mod6: i actually got a decent deal on it for $100, it would probably be $1000 if i bought it from a used car lot or something. bought it from a friend.

19:35:04 mod6: the car we saw in .ar with the clubs, that's probably a $3 car. lol

19:35:24 mod6: damn thing probably runs tho. *shrug*

19:35:28 trinque: I once sold a car for $125, was probably in way worse shape than yours

19:35:41 trinque: 87 300zx with about 250k on it

19:35:47 mod6: hshaha

19:35:58 trinque: exhaust pipe rusted off

19:36:03 mod6: nice.

19:36:16 trinque: I still drove it at that point

19:36:21 trinque: bumper started melting lol

19:36:29 mod6: hahah, that's awesome.

19:36:57 trinque: slammed bad going 1st-2nd-3rd

19:37:12 trinque: interior was leather at one point

19:37:12 mod6: i just can't figure it out why someone would want to pay $300/mo for 6-7 years on a car loan for something "new" or "reasonable"

19:37:15 trinque: but then... dust

19:37:18 trinque: lol

19:37:23 trinque: mod6: it's a scam

19:37:46 trinque: I'll drive my current vw til it catches fire

19:37:47 mod6: haha, man old worn leather does not hold up good. i know what you mean.

19:37:54 mod6: tranny was bad too 'eh

19:38:11 trinque: yup

19:38:39 trinque: had a lot of fun in that car though, got it at 16

19:39:03 mod6: i once had an 1983 pontiac perrisan <sp> station wagon. it had 300`000 miles on it. got it for $750. it always made me laugh because when i shut it off, it would keep knocking for like ~20 seconds. then backfire super loud.

19:39:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00038517 = 10.284 BTC [+]

19:39:20 trinque: haha, settle down grandpa

19:39:28 trinque: *car goes to sleep*

19:39:35 mod6: yah srsly. it was a 9 passenger vehicle.

19:39:53 mod6: i looked idiotic driving it around, im sure.

19:40:18 mod6: but that was back in the day where cars were still made with full steel frames. thing weighed 4000 lbs.

19:40:35 *: mircea_popescu fondly remembers his two ton mercedeses

19:40:37 mod6: had a chev 305 in it. ran pretty nice.

19:40:40 trinque: in the good old days, *you* were the crumple-zone

19:41:04 mod6: haha, yes

19:42:53 danielpbarron: asciilifeform> what other kinds of broken everyday objects do you folks put up with ? << my (**picks up keyboard**) bicycle's breaks are shot and the gear shifter is sketchy

19:43:45 danielpbarron: t-shirts have holes in them, iphone won't charge unless i rubber band the cable into the right position, etc..

19:44:01 mod6: my old man had one of the 1983 mercedes 380SLs.. but yeah i don't think it weighed nearly as much as those bigger frame ones like yours (MP) or Pete D's.

19:44:42 danielpbarron: tea kettle's pin that the valve pivots on is loose and falling out

19:45:07 mod6: well, and that thing was a convert too.. so, obv less weight there.

19:45:26 mod6: heh, it shipped with .de license plates

19:46:21 mod6: sweet, kernel is done

19:48:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3398 @ 0.00038509 = 1.3085 BTC [-]

19:48:34 mod6: this pos box, i can hear the disk spining. "GRRRR GRRRR GRR GGRRRRRRR"

19:48:41 mod6: smh

19:49:13 mod6: i paid more for this pos then the damn car.

19:54:20 mod6: ok here we go...

19:54:24 mod6: grub works.

19:55:02 mod6: ok all gravy.

19:58:48 mod6: $conference

19:59:11 mod6: !conference

20:02:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66020 @ 0.0003888 = 25.6686 BTC [+] {3}

20:04:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5580 @ 0.0004082 = 2.2778 BTC [+]

20:08:00 *: mod6 wonders off to create a guide

20:21:28 jurov: wonders?

20:22:32 jurov: and i wondered off the eulora server. event will take place after chetty fixes it.

20:31:15 mod6: derp *wanders

20:33:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5535 @ 0.00040567 = 2.2454 BTC [-]

20:44:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28564 @ 0.00041722 = 11.9175 BTC [+]

21:05:52 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163496 <<< it's still way off its highs of $8-9 when it claimed it could now do whatever ethereum is planning to do

21:05:52 assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 17:52:56; danielpbarron: found this while researching why XCP went up 30% over the last few days

21:10:46 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163461 <<< this orlov guy.. i've enjoyed reading some of his stuff but i can't figure out what sort of man buys a boat but does not have funds tucked away for upkeep/maintenance or new engine

21:10:46 assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 17:28:03; asciilifeform: obligatory: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/02/industrys-parting-gifts.html

21:21:03 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163555 <<< how does this shit pass rego or do you not have yearly rego checks on the car?

21:21:03 assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 19:35:58; trinque: exhaust pipe rusted off

21:25:17 *: trinque mumbles something about forgiveness vs permission

21:42:31 jurov: lucky bastards. i was caught, was not fined but had to prop up my old daewoo by about 300 euro (using dubious parts) to keep it legal

21:48:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41053 @ 0.00041202 = 16.9147 BTC [-]

21:49:17 kakobrekla: should have got a golf.

21:53:31 jurov: well, something something hindsight. it was relatively luxurious, got it from a friend who cared for it, and it did work fine for 2 years.

21:54:05 jurov: !up kalki

21:54:29 kakobrekla: i paid more bitcoins than you euros for mine tho.

21:55:09 jurov: hi kalki, you can speak now

21:59:34 kalki: thanks... ok so in attempting to set up my first gpg account, I am following the guide from contravex... so I am using the 5 dice coupled with the englich passphrase word list. So, I did 10 tosses, got the words, but then after entering, the gpg client tells me it is a weak pw as it contains no special characters. I read somewhere on fraudsters not to change ANYTHING from what I get from the dice toss... so just seeking some soun

21:59:40 kalki: thanks!

22:03:30 funkenstein_: kalki, which gpg client?

22:03:45 kalki: also, I am noticing that when I log in to #bitcoin-assets, just before it transports me to the room, it says at the bottom of the screen that this nickname is already taken and that I should verify ownership or something... I assume this means that I need to find a new nickname and that it is not talking about me just because I have been using it a couple months here..

22:04:21 kalki: funkenstein, it is the latest mac client 2015.06

22:04:54 funkenstein_: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

22:04:55 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5SsCt )

22:07:13 funkenstein_: i don't mac, but methinks you can add a couple special chars without losing entropy

22:10:09 kalki: funkenstein, the wiki says for WOT that I should generate a gpg if I dont already have one... so do folks typically use just one key? or is it smart to have a seperate one for WOT distinct from communication etc?

22:10:18 kalki: also thanks for your help!

22:11:21 funkenstein_: no prob :) I have only one, it's easier that way. But if you want another distinct identity you can make as many as you want.

22:11:22 jurov: if you're a beginner, no use to complicates tuff by using multiple keys

22:11:58 kalki: jurov, funkenstein, ok and thanks again I shall proceed

22:12:24 jurov: n

22:15:18 pete_dushenski: kalki: don't worry too much about the 'advice' of the newest mac pgp client

22:16:01 pete_dushenski: it's designed to be 'user-friendly' for fiatheads who typically use the same password everywhere

22:16:57 pete_dushenski: not that you can't add a few symbols or make the second-last letter of every diceware word a capital if you so desire

22:18:10 kalki: ok well I just subbed 2 special characters and then generated... it happened really fast... I thought it was supposed to take quite a bit of time but it appears to have generated in less than 5 seconds...?

22:20:30 pete_dushenski: i haven't used the newest mac version, but it doesn't usually take that long

22:20:42 pete_dushenski: not to worry

22:22:10 pete_dushenski: also depends on the size of the key you're generating

22:22:16 pete_dushenski: and the machine you're using.

22:23:29 jurov: ^ mentioning that, if you plan to use the key seriously, use 4096bit

22:25:02 pete_dushenski: just looking at 'gpg suits 2015.06' update and it actually adds some sensible improvements to the default settings

22:26:32 pete_dushenski: 1) gpg version omitted, 2) revocation certification auto-generated, 3) auto-encrypt drafts, 4) warning message for idiots like travis patron that they're about to send an unencrypted reply to an encrypted message

22:28:13 pete_dushenski: 5) removed 1024 bit key option

22:32:08 pete_dushenski: for ethereum posterity : http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-20369

22:32:10 assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum's Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQxmsc )

22:45:20 cazalla: they tried their best pete_dushenski, is that not good enough for you?!

22:45:37 punkman: my favourite words from the ethereum transcript: "strategic visioning"

22:46:20 pete_dushenski: cazalla: lol i guess i'm one of those unreasonable assholes who doesn't understand how the world works

22:47:02 cazalla: oh god https://twitter.com/Blockchain_Memo/status/607955408360218624

22:48:56 pete_dushenski: punkman: it's the kind of thing readily accomplished while sitting on the toilet

22:49:02 pete_dushenski: thus making it... accessible.

22:49:37 pete_dushenski: "strategic visioning" doesn't require that anything even be written down

22:50:12 pete_dushenski: it's more of a sense of things to come, a feeling of how valhalla might look

22:55:34 punkman: "when I was at Visa, I was leading an R&D group on Machine Learning that was experimenting with Hadoop for near real-time analytics of purchases. anyway we worked a year on that thing, and it was awesome, but one day we get invited by another group at Visa who want to show us something ‘amazing'."

22:55:34 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

22:55:38 punkman: "turns out my team and theirs had been working on the same thing and we didn’t even know about each other."

22:57:34 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell bingoboingo that 'reddit outrage' piece is impossible to read dude. breaking start-up/startup into two words might give you two s.qntr shares but it makes shit unreadable and frankly a bit annoying. tighten it up, smarten it up, eh.

22:57:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:07:43 jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9sQZLtsfp8

23:07:44 assbot: AZIS - Hop / АЗИС - Хоп - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2RYYS )

23:07:59 jurov: the chan needs some faggotry

23:08:22 punkman: we've done azis before

23:09:06 cazalla: damn, that is faggy

23:39:40 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> how many three-legged tables, chairs ? << i for one would rather have three-legged furniture: 3 points define a plane; any more and you have an overconstrained and rocking system

23:46:34 menahem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163644 << bahaha, travis patron. "Travis Patron is a singularity researcher and cybereconomist most well-known for his thought leadership into digital economies such as bitcoin... You can find him in Toronto, apathetic towards voting while hunting banksters for spare organs."

23:46:34 assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 22:26:32; pete_dushenski: 1) gpg version omitted, 2) revocation certification auto-generated, 3) auto-encrypt drafts, 4) warning message for idiots like travis patron that they're about to send an unencrypted reply to an encrypted message

23:59:50 Naphex: https://xotika.tv/#/channel-17/RoyalTiffany xD

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