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00:00:16 mircea_popescu: nubbins` isn't it great, having a free brag space ?

00:00:36 nubbins`: one of the reasons i come here

00:00:50 mircea_popescu: i thought you just liked the enchiladas.

00:00:57 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Any other year situation would be similar here with power, but having a "temperate" year

00:01:05 nubbins`: if by that you mean circular conversations, then YES :D

00:01:16 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: very 'temperate' year here, as well.

00:01:42 BingoBoingo: "Polar Vortex" was unkind this winter but welcome now

00:01:51 mircea_popescu: mike_c: you're probably already smoking it. you need to have a valuable audience. << the proposition that tardstalk has a valuable audience is outrageous.

00:01:56 BingoBoingo: Several weeks with AC off and windows open

00:02:05 mike_c: hehe. somebody's got buy all those miners.

00:02:22 BingoBoingo: Which would normally never happen in July

00:02:45 mircea_popescu: mike_c it's more like, van is a piggy bank. if i start pulling money out rather than pushing money in it'll prolly debalance it.

00:02:49 *: asciilifeform has no solid clue who reads his site, other than a multitude of fraudsters readers

00:02:58 mircea_popescu: not so different from atc really.

00:03:07 mike_c: so take all the revenue and use it buy ads.

00:03:09 nubbins`: asciilifeform time for a poll ;D

00:03:16 mircea_popescu: i don't net buy or net sell based on what i want, but based on what everyone else is doing

00:04:01 nubbins`: https://plus.google.com/+ColinMcMillen/posts/eFVJLCVKLdc

00:04:02 nubbins`: HAHAHAHAHA

00:04:05 *: mircea_popescu is suspicious of distortion but definitely more thinking will go int this

00:04:25 mike_c: pulling out/pushing in implies a closed system.

00:04:48 mircea_popescu: how is it open ?

00:04:52 mike_c: including a fraudsters ad slot could increase the supply in general and rise all boats.

00:05:06 mike_c: it's open cuz anyone can buy ads

00:05:27 mircea_popescu: this will definitely need some moar thinking.

00:05:28 mike_c: fraudsters slot would increase awareness of vanads and bring more advertisers?

00:05:37 mike_c: which could benefit all venues

00:05:58 mike_c: who wouldn't want to fill fraudsters's slot?

00:06:00 mike_c: hehehe

00:06:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i'm open to it, so long as serious money and i don't have to promise any kind of detectable result to anyone. << van is kinda tailored for that last part, at least.

00:06:41 mircea_popescu: mike_c one of the things i did was have ppls prepare code so i can show ads to non-cookied users only.

00:06:53 mircea_popescu: amazingly, this can actually be done.

00:06:53 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

00:07:00 *: asciilifeform prepares for spam school

00:07:06 mike_c: amazingly? perhaps for a php dev. seems easy.

00:07:06 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

00:07:30 mircea_popescu: mike_c gotta appreciate fraudsters runs a custom string of hacks off 6 yo wp

00:07:38 *: asciilifeform isn't sure who is crazy enough to buy ad on his site, however

00:07:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Just post cats, google images will send traffic

00:08:01 mike_c: ah ascii, i can see you are beings sucked in. join the crowd! peer pressure!

00:08:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i get a ludicrous amount of traffic from google images

00:08:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: More than actual google, right?

00:08:30 asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&q=lisp+machine

00:08:30 assbot: lisp machine - Google Search

00:08:49 asciilifeform: 6 or 7 - mine...

00:08:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i confess i'm somewhat suspicious of anything which suggests to 'monetize' my site, which is more or less the polar inverse of 'monetizable' in the usual sense. << in fairness, i don't believe 90%+ of the derpage emitted by "advertising industry" in any way applies to van stuff.

00:09:16 mircea_popescu: "monetizing" a fine example among it.

00:09:26 asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&q=hypercard

00:09:26 assbot: hypercard - Google Search

00:09:28 asciilifeform: ^ 4 or 5

00:09:57 BingoBoingo: ;;google noise canceling toad

00:09:58 gribble: #002 - Honda Accord insulation to cut down road noise. - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epzsMv95ebg; Noise pollution - Property Law: http://www.findlaw.co.uk/law/property/other_property_law_topics/8962.html; Quiet, Please! How to Cut Noise Pollution at Home - Houzz: http://www.houzz.com/ideabooks/13825501/list/quiet-please-how-to-cut-noise-pollution-at-home

00:10:00 mike_c: hm, derpage aside, the point of advertising is to make money.

00:10:03 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell thickasthieves look at this http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/altcoin/ you

00:10:04 assbot: Altcoin (ATC) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations

00:10:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:10:12 mircea_popescu: re rich now.

00:10:28 mircea_popescu: mike_c is the point of fucking to make money ?

00:10:40 mike_c: for some people. not me though.

00:10:43 mircea_popescu: right.

00:11:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't believe 90%+ of the derpage emitted by "advertising industry" << precisely this. as i understand, cargo cult.

00:11:16 mircea_popescu: if advertising is to survive, it'll have to invent itself as something else than medieval "fuck so wife makes more peons which make more koku"

00:11:40 mike_c: wtf else is there?

00:11:44 mike_c: for advertising.

00:11:47 mircea_popescu: that's not a valid objection.

00:12:13 mircea_popescu: (also known as appeal to ignorance)

00:12:18 mike_c: ok. then this: what use does vanads present other than to help advertisers make money?

00:12:49 mircea_popescu: i have no idea if it helps them make money or not, but it allows them to get places they wouldn't get otherwise.

00:12:55 mircea_popescu: more like the wot than like the btc.

00:13:03 mircea_popescu: not that the two are divorced or orthogonal or anything.

00:13:29 mircea_popescu: to get back to fucking, ever left money on the nightstand of a woman that ~wasn't~ a whore ?

00:13:46 mike_c: not directly. indirectly? every one.

00:13:50 mircea_popescu: right-o.

00:14:06 mircea_popescu: that said, i have nfi. we're mostly guessing here.

00:14:11 mircea_popescu: all across the board that is.

00:14:20 mike_c: your analogy sucks.

00:14:23 mircea_popescu: ty.

00:14:24 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> to get back to fucking, ever left money on the nightstand of a woman that ~wasn't~ a whore ? << SUre, I wanted cigarettes when I came to

00:14:38 nubbins`: "the average canadian spends more on taxes than on food, shelter and clothing combined"

00:14:40 nubbins`: :0

00:15:05 mircea_popescu: nubbins` does the average canadian also get more food, shelter and clothing from the government than he gets on his own dime ?

00:15:32 nubbins`: as an above-average canadian, i cannot say with any degree of certainty

00:15:49 mircea_popescu: well yea you get moose sausage and whatnot.

00:15:58 nubbins`: gotta pay for the moose license

00:16:08 nubbins`: well. someone does

00:16:17 nubbins`: all i gotta pay for is casings

00:17:22 mircea_popescu: mike_c your adhominem religious leadership aside, this whole discussion dovetails neatly into the converse, ascii's curiosity as to why am i giving bitdimes to random sluts.

00:17:34 mircea_popescu: well... there's apparently reasons. have i made money ?

00:17:51 nubbins`: "According to the Vancouver-based think-tank, the average Canadian family earned $77,381 in 2013 and paid $32,369 in total taxes — or 41.8 per cent of income — compared with 36.1 per cent for food, shelter and clothing combined."

00:17:53 mike_c: not yet. that's different from simply no.

00:18:06 mircea_popescu: have i made money supporting openbsd ?

00:18:10 mike_c: yes

00:18:15 mike_c: although accidentally

00:18:19 nubbins`: heh.

00:18:24 nubbins`: got ya on a technicality

00:18:25 mircea_popescu: the fact that when openssl got shot in the head there was someone there to pick the pieces...

00:18:37 mircea_popescu: i mean, reality being complex, evaluating how you make money becomes untrivial.

00:18:44 mircea_popescu: as wall street finds out every sixteen months.

00:18:59 mike_c: sure. ads increase awareness way beyond CTR.

00:19:07 mircea_popescu: ads also allow people to live.

00:19:08 asciilifeform: evaluating how you make money becomes untrivial >> for us peons it's pretty easy though

00:19:10 mircea_popescu: some people you might depend on.

00:19:42 mircea_popescu: i played solforge, some card trading game, and as for the past 500 games i played for more than 2 hours, i paid them something

00:19:47 mircea_popescu: ten or fiddy or i don't remember.

00:20:01 nubbins`: can't have nice things if you don't want to pay for them

00:20:12 nubbins`: get this: i buy music :0

00:20:15 mircea_popescu: maybe this doesn't make me any money, or maybe this is the last thing that keeps playable games available which is what keeps me from killing andreas for realz.

00:20:53 mike_c: ok, but vanads as tipbox.. idk. ascii won't join for 5 doge.

00:21:05 mircea_popescu: it's not the argument.

00:21:21 mircea_popescu: from the position of the ad buyer, i was more than once confronted with endless lists of "venues" to buy space on.

00:21:29 mircea_popescu: what did i buy on ? i couldn't care less about the "numbers"

00:21:34 mircea_popescu: numbers can and universally are faked.

00:21:42 mircea_popescu: i bought on oglaf and other respectable comics. why ?

00:21:50 mircea_popescu: well... specifically because they were respectable.

00:22:10 mircea_popescu: and the thought in my head was "i'd buy the whole book, if i had a guarantee your book is all respectable folk, no mfa, no shit. no torrents w/e"

00:22:30 mircea_popescu: so my rationale is, make a place which actually only lists legitimate venues, people won't have the problem i had anymore.

00:22:36 asciilifeform: re: tips: phun phact. my largest donor, a fellow claiming to be zooko wilcox-ohearn (of the 'zooko's triangle.')

00:22:39 asciilifeform: ^ http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009&cpage=1#comment-3871

00:22:41 assbot: Loper OS » On the fact that Bitcoin has a Kill Switch; and how to disconnect it.

00:22:44 mircea_popescu: may have other problems, sure. generally we don't see th eproblems we don't have anymore. like in this oglaf comic :

00:23:43 asciilifeform: ^ 1.0101101

00:23:54 mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/chronotherapy/

00:23:54 assbot: Chronotherapy

00:24:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's pretty cool.

00:24:54 asciilifeform: 0b10101101 == 173 -> ascii '{'

00:24:59 asciilifeform: no idea what this symbolizes.

00:25:02 mike_c: i dunno. luckily we don't have to come to agreement because we will see what happens. i do agree it is something worth trying.

00:26:05 BingoBoingo: And this is why Batman beats Superman, he solves problems Superman can't afford to know exist.

00:26:17 mircea_popescu: that's not really how it works sadly. we'll have to argue it whether it succeeds or fails

00:26:30 mike_c: but we'll have more evidence to argue with

00:26:32 mircea_popescu: because the argument of why it did either can't be put to rest by the mere observation that it did it.

00:26:37 mircea_popescu: that's fo sho.

00:27:37 mircea_popescu: for the admittedly slanted view from my tower however, i can definitely say that i would trade a billion visitors from twitter for a thousand visitors fro whatever,

00:27:39 mircea_popescu: zooko's blog.

00:28:09 mircea_popescu: i guess at the basest, anticonsumerism consists on making businesses not dependant on consumers and the govt dole that supports them.

00:28:17 mircea_popescu: taleb'd call this antifragile businesses.

00:28:50 asciilifeform: !s charity fraudsters

00:28:51 assbot: 1 results for 'charity fraudsters' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=charity+fraudsters

00:29:03 mircea_popescu: related, but quite distinct.

00:32:19 asciilifeform: how distinct?

00:32:48 mircea_popescu: about on the degree of the distinction between going for a play and going to the doctor.

00:33:15 mircea_popescu: they're both professional venues where experts do something to your benefit.

00:33:34 asciilifeform: anticonsumerism consists on making businesses not dependant on consumers >> the old, essentially bulletproof explanation for death of art and science.

00:33:44 mircea_popescu: quite.

00:35:13 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/rortybomb/status/499345604297121792

00:35:14 assbot: The /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash police look more militarized now than the actual National Guard, here from the 1967 Newark riots: http://t.co/qk3CKqSp8o

00:39:07 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nice little preview of usa when 'the holiday' comes.

00:39:56 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2014#496666

00:39:57 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

00:41:30 asciilifeform: ^ also related http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-rationale-behind-boston-psy-ops.html

00:41:31 assbot: ClubOrlov: The Rationale behind the Boston Psy-ops

00:42:12 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think Fergeson is the application of the Boston lessons.

00:44:01 BingoBoingo: Still I plan on keeping to Illinois this weekend.

00:44:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since you linked http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 dja know what stotting is ?

00:44:12 assbot: Loper OS » Bitcoin, or How to Hammer in Nails with a Microscope.

00:44:21 asciilifeform: certainly

00:44:30 BingoBoingo: Fergeson is in North county, but West and South County have had riots as well

00:44:33 asciilifeform: also known as 'peacocking'

00:44:37 mircea_popescu: there';s no need for fiddy billion people to be smart.

00:44:46 mircea_popescu: fiddy billion people can be anything they want. all it takes is one.

00:45:56 asciilifeform: the N - 1 neolithic folks who didn't discover fire, yes.

00:47:46 mircea_popescu: mike_c: BingoBoingo: bah, nvmnd, sorry. they all suck. <.

00:51:34 kyuupichan: ;;nethash

00:51:35 gribble: 180239894.005

00:52:37 *: asciilifeform wrote 'nails' piece when he thought the 50b matter

00:56:33 BingoBoingo: !up peterl

00:56:36 BingoBoingo: !up the20year

00:56:40 BingoBoingo: !up TheNewDeal

00:56:48 peterl: !up

00:56:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: presently you can do a kind of basic 'iq filter' just by, e.g. ignoring anything whatsoever distributed as an ms-word turd << ya think ?! :D

00:57:01 asciilifeform: it's only a very basic filter.

00:58:24 mircea_popescu: BigBitz: such irony. << they deserve it for using lastpass, srsly.

00:58:29 mircea_popescu: the idiocy of it knows no bounds.

00:59:12 BingoBoingo: peterl: Nice work

01:00:09 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: seven nekkid gals reading the news in seven different languages at the same time > F5 << omfg you haxt my cameras ?!

01:01:15 kakobrekla: i dont have a better explanation.

01:02:18 mircea_popescu: pankkake: that's how you spot a tiny penis <<lol maybe you're just mean.

01:02:20 mircea_popescu: !up leochilll

01:04:10 mircea_popescu: artifexd: http://cryptopals.com/ <- some nice lessons teaching how crypto works, how to attack it, and how easy it is to screw it up << this is useful & interesting.

01:04:10 assbot: The Matasano Crypto Challenges

01:05:05 *: asciilifeform remembers the rsa key challenge and its quiet disappearance

01:05:21 mircea_popescu: yea what happened to that ?

01:05:34 asciilifeform: they pulled it.

01:05:44 asciilifeform: said only 'this isn't needed any more'

01:05:47 mircea_popescu: course some older readers may recall the phuctor and it's quiet quietness. not everything is a they.

01:06:24 asciilifeform: it's still there; hungry.

01:06:42 mircea_popescu: fluffypony lol not bad that guy. is he the real jeff jarvis ? :D

01:07:55 BingoBoingo: Nah

01:08:16 BingoBoingo: Real Jeff Jarvis comes in later all butthurt

01:11:21 []bot: Bet created: "Gold above $1300 on October 1st" http://bitbet.us/bet/1022/

01:12:56 mircea_popescu: http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/08/economist-explains-7 << this is a typically fuctarded article as one'd have come to expect out of the economist.

01:12:57 assbot: The Economist explains: Why the price of commercial sex is falling | The Economist

01:13:03 mircea_popescu: " Location matters too. Prostitutes in San Francisco, where the cost of living is high, charge more than those in cheaper cities such as Prague."

01:13:30 mircea_popescu: a) the idiots in san francisco were whining a month ago about how $10/sq foot is "outside of what a "normal" business can pay in rent"

01:13:35 mircea_popescu: prague is more expensive than that.

01:13:39 TheNewDeal: ridiculous bet

01:13:46 TheNewDeal: kitko is showing gold above 1300 RIGHT NOW

01:13:48 mircea_popescu: b) europeans are not fucktarded about sex like the us barbarians are.

01:14:00 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it can drop can't it ?

01:14:08 mircea_popescu: "THE ECONOMIST has analysed 190,000 profiles of female sex workers on websites where customers post reviews. The data cover 84 cities in 12 countries, with the biggest number of workers in America and most of the rest in big cities in rich countries. According to our analysis, the price of an hour of sex with a female prostitute has been dropping fairly steadily in recent years. In 2006 the average cost was around $340

01:14:08 mircea_popescu: . By 2014 it had dropped to about $260."

01:14:09 TheNewDeal: the bet doesn't say CLOSE

01:14:21 TheNewDeal: price above at any point

01:14:21 mircea_popescu: this is roughly the equivalent of scrapping seo blogs to get the average revenue of a seo expert.

01:14:53 mircea_popescu: let the permanent record permanently reflect the permanent fact that the economist is a piece of toilet paper upon which down syndrome patients scribble whatever shit happens through their head.

01:15:44 leochilll: aka the "subtle shill" per

01:15:46 leochilll: periodical

01:16:06 mircea_popescu: who might you be ?

01:16:12 TheNewDeal: ooooh I get this now

01:16:22 BingoBoingo: I dunno mircea_popescu you're being awfully harsh on downs syndrome patients comparing them to the economist

01:16:32 leochilll: just a bitcoin fan sick of the propaganda!

01:16:46 mike_c: TheNewDeal: how did you WoL bets go?

01:16:46 TheNewDeal: it's a european call style

01:16:52 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal exactly.

01:16:53 TheNewDeal: good of course

01:17:05 mike_c: glad to hear it

01:17:55 peterl: BingoBoingo: thanks, still working on it

01:19:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3200207 = 0.64 BTC [-]

01:19:58 BingoBoingo: peterl: Just a suggestion, you don't have to follow it, but make your own WP theme, keeps shit simpler

01:20:48 peterl: yeah, I just grabbed one to get started, I am planning on rewriting most of it as I go

01:21:25 BingoBoingo: peterl: "Toolbox" is a decent blank slate to shape to your whims

01:23:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3210001 = 0.642 BTC [+]

01:25:16 TheNewDeal: just curious - why did the URO bet get cancelled. Shitty resolution resource?

01:25:46 BingoBoingo: Prolly jsut shitty thing to bet on

01:25:51 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal shitty coin. people wanna advertise on bitbet, might as well either outright buy it or else put some money down.

01:26:04 mircea_popescu: im not paying people shareholder $$$ to advertise their dog's vomit.

01:26:15 TheNewDeal: but then why accept the bet?

01:26:22 mircea_popescu: noob mod.

01:26:25 TheNewDeal: gotcha

01:26:46 TheNewDeal: I couldn't care less about URO, hadn't heard of it until the bet.

01:27:04 TheNewDeal: Would rather go by kilos of piss on the street - will be worth more tomorrow

01:28:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19282 @ 0.00073975 = 14.2639 BTC [-]

01:30:47 BingoBoingo: !Up Graet

01:31:01 BingoBoingo: !up princessnell

01:33:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00073975 = 4.2166 BTC [-]

01:46:04 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> eventually. once ben_vulpes figures out the basics of how to install servers and stuff << i've got the basics down pretty well. sifting through the midden without bringing the whole heap down on oneself is far beyond basics.

01:46:36 mircea_popescu: one day i'll figure out the basics of being nice.

01:48:01 ben_vulpes: "i could but fuck it"?

01:49:02 mircea_popescu: s/it/her/

01:49:25 BingoBoingo: mike_c: How comes your book?

01:49:35 mike_c: working on illustrations

01:49:48 BingoBoingo: Sweet

01:50:05 mircea_popescu: can it has tits ?

01:51:25 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mike_c, mircea_popescu: seems like there's some demand for an ad slot that's invisible unless paid for with a venue-specified minimum bid per day.

01:51:49 mircea_popescu: owner can just put a bid.

01:51:52 mircea_popescu: no need for code.

01:51:59 ben_vulpes: ho

01:51:59 BingoBoingo: ^ that

01:52:16 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: What evidence suggests that...

01:52:30 mike_c: yeah, i'm not demanding that.

01:52:34 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes welcome to the empire of good design, where most customer requests get a "no need for new code, you're doing it wrong" from management.

01:52:38 mircea_popescu: i hear it's a thing to behold.

01:52:57 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1D7W855.txt )

01:52:57 BingoBoingo: !b 2

01:53:59 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i don't believe 90%+ of the derpage emitted by "advertising industry" << precisely this. as i understand, cargo cult.

01:55:34 BingoBoingo: TimSwanson: I know reading is hard in caves in Romania << Where is dude's intel department?

01:56:58 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell TimSwanson Hello http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/04/malpidity/ Sorry I was too drunk last night and passed out before we could meet

01:56:58 assbot: Malpidity | Bingo Blog

01:56:58 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:57:02 mircea_popescu: actually romania has an extensive network of caves and carstic phenomena.

01:57:08 mircea_popescu: it's like florida only walkable.

01:57:48 BingoBoingo: Missouri has a lot of Karst geology as well. Most pictures of "Nature" in Romania remind me of the Ozarks

01:57:49 mircea_popescu: karstic*

01:57:58 mircea_popescu: yeah just about, same geology

01:58:13 BingoBoingo: Lots of water raping a lot of limestone

01:58:50 BingoBoingo: TimSwanson: You said I was a "environmental scholar" << You are whether you admit it or not.

02:00:03 mircea_popescu: no actually he's a highschool english teacher

02:00:10 mircea_popescu: or w/e tefl qualifies you for.

02:00:14 BingoBoingo: https://www.michaelwlucas.com/autobiography/the-thumbs

02:00:16 assbot: The Thumbs « Michael W Lucas

02:00:26 mircea_popescu: the environment derp is a different tim swanson

02:01:00 *: asciilifeform just unpacked a small lathe, that was wrapped in perhaps 100 metres of... sandwich wrap.

02:01:11 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, this Tim Swanson is totally an environmental derp, but English is a sloppy language.

02:01:27 *: asciilifeform could only think 'alien cocoon'

02:01:52 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: for example "TimSwanson: I work doing market research for Bitcoin companies" << He studies mosses and Lichen

02:01:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what if one of these days you'll unwrap a gift to find a weird egg or somesuch

02:02:00 asciilifeform: lol

02:02:30 asciilifeform: ;;google hans rickheit

02:02:31 gribble: Hans Rickheit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Rickheit; Chrome Fetus - The Comix of Hans Rickheit: http://chromefetus.blogspot.com/; CHLOE by Hans RIckheit - Ectopiary: http://www.ectopiary.com/chloe.html

02:02:56 asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/search?q=hans+rickheit&tbm=isch

02:02:56 assbot: hans rickheit - Google Search

02:04:00 mircea_popescu: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/11/anonymous_wifi_the_latest_casualty_of_russia_net_neurosis/

02:04:00 assbot: Anonymous wifi the latest casualty of Russia net neurosis The Register

02:04:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#792217 << Definitely established as a lie

02:04:28 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

02:05:48 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i say one thing, derp reads what's preloaded in his stupid head. then i say "you're too stupid to understand what's being said", derp figures i'm "attacking" him.

02:05:56 mircea_popescu: too bad so sad etc.

02:07:03 BingoBoingo: This Swanson dicklick makes me want to stay pseudonymous forever, with my real name still an open secret among all WoTty people who care to ask. Just so silly onomatapeia can be more real then Tim, the San Fransisco Man

02:07:20 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-bitcoin-lordship-list-first-revision/

02:08:22 mircea_popescu: congrats to fluffypony FabianB dignork mthreat justusranvier

02:10:37 asciilifeform: Morloch << a moloch worshipped by morlocks?

02:11:02 mircea_popescu: lol i guess so.

02:13:37 mike_c: kakobrekla doesn't have a single negative rating. what a nice guy.

02:14:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform footnoted.

02:14:15 kakobrekla: yeah well pirate didnt either

02:14:25 mircea_popescu: mike_c he gets banned a lot.

02:14:46 mike_c: that is true. i guess he only pisses off people that don't matter

02:15:03 mircea_popescu: or pisses them off enough they can't remember their passwords

02:15:05 BingoBoingo: The Best fraudsters http://fraudsters.com/2011/arta-pedepsirii/

02:15:06 assbot: Arta pedepsirii pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:15:27 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you understand that ?

02:15:47 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah.

02:15:55 mircea_popescu: your romanian is impressive by now.

02:16:00 BingoBoingo: Enough for and English speaker

02:16:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, my romanian is shit. I can't speak it and barely translate it. My reading though is improving.

02:17:03 mircea_popescu: if you can actually read fraudsters you're above about a third of native speakers.

02:17:35 BingoBoingo: I doubt I could read much non-fraudsters romanian though.

02:18:11 BingoBoingo: Basically for a fraudsters I map the grammer and then dictionary the words

02:18:47 mircea_popescu: this is how one comprehends a text.

02:18:59 BingoBoingo: Then again not many English speakers have done better with post switch fraudsters compared to pre-switch have they?

02:19:10 mircea_popescu: it's what i have the slavegirls do when in doubt.

02:19:53 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this is how one comprehends a text. << Rarely taught in US. Surprised classmates when in Spinoza class I told them my secret weapon was posterboard for mapping things to other things.

02:20:20 BingoBoingo: But how else does one do geometry of a medium more portable than a chalkboard?

02:20:33 mircea_popescu: it was taught just about a thousand years ago in teh monasteries.

02:21:28 BingoBoingo: But secular humanist emoting!!! Old is bad, new is mestraul painting. Don't worry about OSHA no helmet required.

02:22:16 BingoBoingo: !up peterl

02:23:51 BingoBoingo: When I tried philosophy grad school everyone got in pissing matches over who read Whitehead or Russel, but how many other gave a shot at their Principia they did together? 0

02:24:26 mircea_popescu: hence "impudent cocklets"

02:24:37 BingoBoingo: Because apparently Logos is the least important area of Philosophy

02:25:02 BingoBoingo: I mean if you are making love to knowledge Logos is basically the tits

02:27:06 mircea_popescu: http://cryptopals.com/sets/6/challenges/42/

02:27:07 assbot: Bleichenbacher's e=3 RSA Attack

02:27:09 mircea_popescu: ahh this is so sweet.

02:27:21 mircea_popescu: in other words, "find anyone implementing e=3 pseudocrypto and fire them"

02:27:29 copumpkin: that's how the first iphone unlock worked

02:28:50 ben_vulpes: !s old time

02:28:50 assbot: 65 results for 'old time' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=old+time

02:29:00 mircea_popescu: copumpkin exactly.

02:29:04 ben_vulpes: !s rosenfeld

02:29:05 assbot: 17 results for 'rosenfeld' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=rosenfeld

02:29:28 BingoBoingo: As far as the teaching Assistant part of being a grad student goes going from freshman logic to babysitting pharm students was a godsend. The latter FEARED the material they were studying.

02:30:43 mircea_popescu: nothing beats material that can punch you in the gut.

02:32:04 mircea_popescu: http://cryptopals.com/sets/6/challenges/44/ also sweet.

02:32:05 assbot: DSA nonce recovery from repeated nonce

02:33:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3199838 = 0.96 BTC [-]

02:34:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00073906 = 9.46 BTC [-] {2}

02:40:02 kakobrekla: !up danielpbarron

02:40:14 kakobrekla: a ok

02:40:21 kakobrekla: i just got the other message.

02:40:26 mike_c: BingoBoingo: be the amazing!

02:40:26 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:40:42 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Lol, you noticed

02:40:51 mike_c: publishing my novel

02:41:28 mircea_popescu: i thought it was a book

02:41:28 mircea_popescu: IS IT ALSO A NOVEL!?!?

02:41:43 mike_c: hm. novels are fiction, right? i guess not.

02:44:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 46 @ 0.01180153 = 0.5429 BTC [-] {4}

02:45:21 BingoBoingo: ;;later tellTimSwanson I don't have to be a Bitcoin Taliban to understand how it works << Actually the model is more like ISIS

02:45:21 gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "tellTimSwanson" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.

02:45:31 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell TimSwanson I don't have to be a Bitcoin Taliban to understand how it works << Actually the model is more like ISIS

02:45:31 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:49:08 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if you can actually read fraudsters you're above about a third of native speakers. << You know on this point alone if Silicon Valley really cared about BTC they'd be wining and dinign me by nao

02:50:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28145 @ 0.00074229 = 20.8918 BTC [+] {2}

02:50:20 asciilifeform: e=3 >> this is a schoolboy mistake - even schneier's red book as i recall warned against it

02:52:58 BingoBoingo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/12/michael-brown-protests_n_5672163.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

02:52:58 assbot: Police Officer Caught On Video Calling Michael Brown Protesters 'F***ing Animals'

02:53:41 BingoBoingo: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/11/surreal-video-images-out-of-ferguson-as-unrest-resumes-following-shooting-of-unarmed-teenager-i-cant-believe-this-is-happening/

02:53:41 assbot: Surreal Video, Images Out of Ferguson as Unrest Resumes Following Shooting of Unarmed Teen: I Cant Believe This Is Happening | Video | TheBlaze.com

02:53:56 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/jasonplusone/statuses/499015768156016640

02:53:57 assbot: Twitter / jasonplusone: "@BigBoi: Wow ! This cop points ...

02:54:14 BingoBoingo: "@BigBoi: Wow ! This cop points his AR at an unarmed ward Alderman. RT @AntonioFrench: #Ferguson https://vine.co/v/MYZmwD9Dqhu " #MartialLaw

02:54:15 assbot: Right now in #Ferguson

02:55:50 BingoBoingo: %t

02:55:51 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 239 Last Price: 250 24h-Vol: 336k High: 250 Low: 190 VWAP: 216

02:58:12 mike_c: i don't know about you guys, but my blog posts are done when i can't stand to look at them anymore.

02:58:37 asciilifeform: same

02:58:40 BingoBoingo: mike_c: It's like that for about 50% of mine

03:00:20 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-new-spin-on-parimutuel-wagering/

03:00:33 decimation: re: swanson << his writings make sense if you assume he is ignorant of Gresham's law

03:02:26 decimation: and also lacking sense

03:05:10 BingoBoingo: decimation: That doesn't explain his ignorance of how to structure a document he is going to try to label a "book"

03:06:14 BingoBoingo: %d

03:06:16 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2005 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00

03:07:42 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

03:07:44 gribble: Current Blocks: 315356 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 1155 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 21 hours, 59 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24113710923.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.2207

03:08:22 decimation: you see a book is a container that holds words that you vomit

03:09:31 BingoBoingo: decimation: Still, the container has a standard form. Toilets can have different looks, but are recognizable as toilets.

03:10:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00074076 = 11.9633 BTC [-] {2}

03:11:49 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i don't know about you guys, but my blog posts are done when i can't stand to look at them anymore. << i take about half an hour.

03:12:56 BingoBoingo: I've spent anywhere from 30 minutes to a day and a half depending on the post.

03:13:06 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not the frenc ones.

03:13:23 decimation: moldbug describes how all prices will be recalculated once the world passes from the dollar through the bitcoin-vortex

03:13:51 decimation: someone standing on the shore today sees only a ripple where that vortex will one day consume everything

03:14:20 asciilifeform: decimation: the 'monetary restandardization' piece, yes

03:14:55 mircea_popescu: i wasn't aware curtis switched camps to pro-btc

03:15:13 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Honestly I often spend more time trying to make the stupid posts less stupid then say fuck it and hit publish

03:15:15 decimation: I'm riffing a bit, he was talking about gold mainly

03:15:16 mircea_popescu: when did that happen ?

03:15:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he was never 'anti' in the usual sense, just very pessimistic

03:15:22 decimation: he did mention bitcoin at the end

03:15:23 asciilifeform: 'gasenwagen will come surely'

03:15:28 mircea_popescu: mmm.

03:15:44 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo never bother with the stupid.

03:15:51 decimation: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2011/04/on-monetary-restandardization.html

03:15:52 assbot: Unqualified Reservations: On monetary restandardization

03:16:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's a work in progress

03:16:23 decimation: he thinks usg will stop bitcoin - I don't find that a very credible thesis.

03:16:35 asciilifeform: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/04/bitcoin-is-money-bitcoin-is-bubble.html << continued here

03:16:36 assbot: Unqualified Reservations: Bitcoin is money, Bitcoin is a bubble

03:17:09 decimation: I just mentally edit his posts with s//gold/bitcoin/

03:17:21 asciilifeform: he thinks usg << could've, too, if the hearts had bled on schedule. bullet whistled by.

03:17:35 BingoBoingo: ;;calc 364/12

03:17:35 gribble: 30.3333333333

03:18:41 BingoBoingo: Eh a month to walk to Mexico sounds right

03:19:30 decimation: "On the dollar's last day as a meaningful unit of account, total dollar net worth is at its historical peak. ... Best of all, unlike theglobe.com, this boom is sustainable. Ideally, it terminates in an allocated BITCOIN standard with no debt - the American and European economies at present, of course, being brutally overcapitalized. "

03:21:46 decimation: THis is another mistake swanson makes. THe idea that transactions are so costly in dollar terms is quite irrelvant to bitcoin holders.

03:22:08 decimation: becuase once the world has passed through the bitcoin vortex, all prices will be recalculated - and there's no formula to get from here to there

03:29:26 BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, in the San Francisco world of Bitcoin ATM's transactions actually do cost $40 or $50 above spot

03:37:36 decimation: somehow the fact that bitgo and xapo have raised money means that bitcoin is expensive to secure

03:39:47 BingoBoingo: Nah, it means there's people with too much fiat who can't be arsed to secure it themselves yet

03:42:16 decimation: man I thought mircea was hard on the guy but after reading a few pages of the book he deserves worse

03:44:54 BingoBoingo: decimation: I toldl you.

03:45:10 BingoBoingo: Also the fucking page numbering, lack of citation style, etc

03:47:45 decimation: I'm trying to figure out what his angle is. What rich prince (perhaps in his mind) wants poorly-written anti-bitcoin pablum?

03:48:48 BingoBoingo: decimation: Well... To be determined

03:55:38 mircea_popescu: <decimation> I just mentally edit his posts with s//gold/bitcoin/ << that's a way to go about it. prolly would have made hitler quite palatable too

03:55:38 mircea_popescu: s/jews/racists

03:55:53 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i wouldn't bother.

03:56:18 danielpbarron: k

03:57:49 mircea_popescu: decimation> man I thought mircea was hard on the guy but after reading a few pages of the book he deserves worse << and importantly, i read no pages of the book.

03:57:53 mircea_popescu: this heuristic must be valuable.

04:01:25 decimation: deciding what not to spend mental cycles on is a valuable skill

04:11:54 mircea_popescu: "The Pioneer has before declared that our only safety depends upon the total extirmination of the Indians. Having wronged them for centuries, we had better, in order to protect our civilization, follow it up by one more wrong and wipe these untamed and untamable creatures from the face of the earth."

04:12:04 mircea_popescu: l f baum (wizard of oz), cca 1890.

04:14:53 decimation: we did worse - we made them depend on the bezzle for welfare - now most of them exist in a drunken half-stupor

04:16:15 nubbins`: ;;google beothuk

04:16:16 gribble: Beothuk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beothuk; The Beothuk - Newfoundland and Labrador Heritage: http://www.heritage.nf.ca/aboriginal/beothuk.html; Beothuk - First Nations|Issues of Consequence: http://www.dickshovel.com/beo.html

04:18:58 mircea_popescu: dickshovel ?!

04:19:22 nubbins`: maybe Dick's Hovel?

04:19:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00074164 = 2.1878 BTC [+]

04:20:04 nubbins`: http://www.dickshovel.com/why.html

04:20:06 assbot: Why dickshovel.com?

04:20:07 nubbins`: hahahah

04:21:01 asciilifeform: expertSexchange.

04:21:30 asciilifeform: therapist/theRapist, etc.

04:26:28 mircea_popescu: For Mencken, Adventures of Huckleberry Finn was the finest work of American literature. Much of that book relates how gullible and ignorant country "boobs" (as Mencken referred to them) are swindled by confidence men like the (deliberately) pathetic "Duke" and "Dauphin" roustabouts with whom Huck and Jim travel down the Mississippi River. These scam-artists swindle by posing as enlightened speakers on temperance (to ob

04:26:28 mircea_popescu: tain the funds to get roaring drunk), as pious "saved" men seeking funds for far off evangelistic missions (to pirates on the high seas, no less), and as learned doctors of phrenology (who can barely spell). Mencken read the novel as a story of America's hilarious dark side, a place where democracy, as defined by Mencken, is "the worship of jackals by jackasses".

04:26:33 mircea_popescu: such change wow progress.

04:30:50 mircea_popescu: "I admit freely enough that, by careful breeding, supervision of environment and education, extending over many generations, it might be possible to make an appreciable improvement in the stock of the American negro, for example, but I must maintain that this enterprise would be a ridiculous waste of energy, for there is a high-caste white stock ready at hand, and it is inconceivable that the negro stock, however caref

04:30:50 mircea_popescu: ully it might be nurtured, could ever even remotely approach it. The educated negro of today is a failure, not because he meets insuperable difficulties in life, but because he is a negro. He is, in brief, a low-caste man, to the manner born, and he will remain inert and inefficient until fifty generations of him have lived in civilization. And even then, the superior white race will be fifty generations ahead of him."

04:30:59 mircea_popescu: check out mencken being spectacularly wrong.

04:34:46 mircea_popescu: The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most

04:34:51 mircea_popescu: devious and mediocre?the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.

04:34:53 mircea_popescu: The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

04:35:01 mircea_popescu: and then right.

04:36:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00073978 = 8.2116 BTC [-]

04:41:13 assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

04:42:17 mircea_popescu: !up xanthyos

04:45:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.30003985 = 5.4007 BTC [-] {4}

04:52:02 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 625 @ 0.00233 = 1.4563 BTC [+]

04:56:24 mircea_popescu: !up jctb

05:26:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.0007405 = 1.9994 BTC [+]

05:38:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6039 @ 0.00073978 = 4.4675 BTC [-]

05:44:01 kyuupichan: Does anybody maintain a BTC market cap as % of all coin cap? I think it must be near a 2-year high.

05:46:58 kyuupichan: coinmarketcap.com reckons it's 94.6%

05:49:41 mircea_popescu: alts have been getting crushed by altcoin alright.

05:50:01 mircea_popescu: tat's evil plan comes to fruition.,

05:52:43 kyuupichan: http://bitbet.us/bet/1010/bitcoin-to-drop-under-450-before-september/ might be underpriced right now

05:52:43 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $450 before September :: 1.22 B (9%) on Yes, 11.62 B (91%) on No | closing in 1 week 6 days | weight: 51`309 (100`000 to 1)

05:53:41 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

05:53:42 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 558.98, Best ask: 561.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 561.0, 24 hour volume: 7189.81050835, 24 hour low: 556.5, 24 hour high: 572.35, 24 hour vwap: 0

05:53:45 mircea_popescu: mebbe.

05:55:09 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8UKf65NOzM

05:55:09 assbot: The Shangri-Las -Leader Of The Pack Video with High Quality Sound - YouTube

05:58:23 FabianB: $mpexstatus

06:00:32 mircea_popescu: FabianB http://mpex.bz/ is worx atm.

06:00:32 assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.

06:00:34 empyex: FabianB: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91

06:00:41 mircea_popescu: http://mpex.biz/ as well.

06:00:42 assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.

06:01:31 FabianB: ic

06:02:04 FabianB: $proxies mpex.bz mpex.biz

06:02:05 empyex: FabianB: Temporarily saved.

06:02:07 empyex: FabianB: Proxies: mpex.bz mpex.biz MPEx-Status: 1672 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91

06:02:51 mircea_popescu: um no, don't do that, because well... suppose these two crap out. what'll people do then without the other two listed ?

06:02:55 FabianB: "03:10 #bitcoin-otc-ratings: <+gribble> New rating | assbot > 1 > fabianb | #bitcoin-assets" <- thanks assbot

06:03:24 FabianB: ok, let's reorder

06:03:44 FabianB: $proxies mpex.bz mpex.ws mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com

06:03:46 empyex: FabianB: Temporarily saved.

06:03:48 empyex: FabianB: Proxies: mpex.bz mpex.ws mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1675 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91

06:04:50 mircea_popescu: FabianB maybe make it so if one fails it tries the next ?

06:05:18 FabianB: good idea, will implement that later

06:07:20 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/petameta/

06:22:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00074051 = 8.8121 BTC [+] {2}

06:23:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.296 = 1.48 BTC [-]

06:36:40 RagnarDanneskjol: re- gambler's fallacy: http://www.razerwares.com/live-arbing.html

06:36:41 assbot: Live Arbing - Razerwares

06:37:27 mircea_popescu: ;;rated RagnarDanneskjol

06:37:28 gribble: You have not yet rated user RagnarDanneskjol

06:37:35 mircea_popescu: ;;rate RagnarDanneskjol 1 Recruiter.

06:37:36 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user RagnarDanneskjol has been recorded.

06:37:47 RagnarDanneskjol: oooh weee

06:38:09 mircea_popescu: :p

06:40:33 xmj: how do i see ratings between users?

06:41:42 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu xmj

06:41:42 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user xmj: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=xmj | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xmj | Rated since: Fri May 23 01:38:16 2014

06:41:53 xmj: whois not authed?

06:42:19 RagnarDanneskjol: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 bitcoin anti-christ. suck it roger v

06:42:20 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.

06:42:40 punkman: bonjorn

06:48:50 punkman: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/141645-heard-joke-once-man-goes-to-doctor-says-he-s-depressed

06:48:51 assbot: Quote by Alan Moore: Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's ...

06:59:41 mircea_popescu: trixisowned you mean Abū ʿAbd al-Lāh Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd al-Lāh l-Lawātī ṭ-Ṭanǧī ibn Baṭūṭah

07:03:56 mircea_popescu: !up stoop

07:04:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2960006 = 0.592 BTC [+]

07:10:04 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol that's a fine example of why one doesn't really want to offr live betting.

07:10:45 mircea_popescu: why attract a horde of internet "entrepreneurs" trying to do a lot of high bandwidth nonsense in their retarded quest of getting five euros off you "risk free" ?

07:10:46 RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea, recipe for disaster

07:11:09 mircea_popescu: if they just flipped burgers they'd make more per hour with less work,

07:11:24 mircea_popescu: but you can't talk sense into these overgrown children with their delusions of independence.

07:12:22 fluffypony: where's Kyle when you need someone for an abject lesson

07:14:08 mircea_popescu: Just don't place arbs which gives you less than 5% of your "under" stake. If you place 100 EUR on under at Europeans , it means that you must place only arbs which give you more than 5 EUR. This way, you need only 20 arbs to recover the losses from " 1 goal" for the 30 (might even less) sec you need after you first bet is accepted probably is less than 1/20. This rule of 5% profit from you under stake is reasonable. So

07:14:08 mircea_popescu: me statistics of collected data from such bets could reveal more, but this 1/20 goal scoring assumption seems to be close to reality. Base on my own stats the probability of the goal is 1,8% , which means that 1,8 goals are scored in 100 bets. My net profit is smth like 65% of my total profit, the rest (35%) is the loss i have suffered from goals being scored in pending time. You must never place bets less than 5 EUR

07:14:08 mircea_popescu: (5% of your under bet, which we are assuming it is 100 EUR) unless it is HT where there is no danger. If you place bets for 2 EUR profit, you need now 50 arbs to recover the losses and i doubt that you will make any money.

07:14:19 mircea_popescu: based on his own fucking data o.O

07:14:35 mircea_popescu: "his own data" being an arbitrary, uncontrolled and irreproducible cutout of the general flow.

07:18:58 RagnarDanneskjol: mhmm. if he hurls enough data though, surely this gaping hole will be overlooked

07:20:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.28854545 = 3.174 BTC [-] {3}

07:20:49 mircea_popescu: i'm sure the schmuck is sitting in a bar somewhere right now, all radiant of his greatness as he imagines it.

07:21:00 mircea_popescu: that unless he's not running for his life from a coupla thugs owned by some bookie he owes to.

07:22:56 RagnarDanneskjol: HA

07:25:20 punkman: http://www.fastcodesign.com/3033847/3-business-lessons-from-the-sinaloa-drug-cartel

07:25:20 assbot: 3 Business Lessons From The Sinaloa Drug Cartel | Co.Design | business + design

07:26:44 Vexual: robin williams doesnt do coke anymore

07:26:53 RagnarDanneskjol: sounds a lot like b-a

07:27:14 punkman: I just lol'd at title+url

07:29:25 mircea_popescu: Blockbuster is gone. So are Lehman Brothers, Atari, Pan Am, Circuit City and countless others each year. Startups fail, too, with 80% going belly up within the first 18 months. But here?s something to consider in comparison: criminal syndicates don?t go out of business. The Chinese Triads have been around since the 17th century. For 25 years, Mexico?s Sinaloa Cartel has outmaneuvered vicious competition at home a

07:29:25 mircea_popescu: s well as the United States' $51 billion--annually--?War on Drugs.?

07:31:47 mircea_popescu: yeah well the problem with that is that it's more akin to saying that detroit or hollywood don't go away.

07:31:47 mircea_popescu: "the chinese triads" aren't a the in this context any more than "the chinese government" is a the. obviously there's going to be some sort of government, such as for instance the one in taiwan.

07:32:37 mircea_popescu: FabianB or anyone interested : .ws switch blew. the rest are fine. ws should be back within hours as replacement gets installed.

07:35:57 mircea_popescu: "Another is just a sorrowful question: What if these talented criminals had only used their talents for good?"

07:36:15 mircea_popescu: allow me to rephrase : what if the state went the fuck away and stopped bothering people.

07:36:52 Vexual: people would be confused for a few months

07:36:54 RagnarDanneskjol: this guy would be warren buffett -http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/11/5799714/leo-sharp-sinaloa-drug-mule

07:38:15 punkman: speaking of syndicates, ISIS in Lebanon already. They just need some boats now and then Pirates of the Mediterranean !

07:40:27 mircea_popescu: i kinda am rooting for them to invade italy, force italians into sex slavery in morocco

07:40:27 mircea_popescu: i'd prolly visit just for to shoot new fraudsters header.

07:41:44 Vexual: morocco or italy?

07:42:13 punkman: http://online.wsj.com/articles/mosul-dams-takeover-by-isis-raises-risk-of-flooding-1407799954

07:42:13 assbot: Mosul Dam's Takeover by ISIS Raises Risk of Flooding - WSJ

07:42:22 mircea_popescu: morocco

07:43:49 punkman: oh lol dam without foundation, they just pump a mix of water/cement/sand into foundation cavities all the time

07:44:27 mircea_popescu: there's no real way to make foundations there iirc.

07:44:44 RagnarDanneskjol: yea, all sand

07:44:54 Vexual: dubai is sandy no?

07:45:16 Vexual: deep works

07:45:45 mircea_popescu: in things like permafrost you can at least put deep pillars in and pour on that

07:45:54 mircea_popescu: but ice is a crystalline lattice. sand is not

07:46:05 mircea_popescu: it just grinds your pillars to dust and there you go.

07:48:17 Vexual: hmm

07:49:51 Vexual: i attempted the engine from ore thing

07:50:22 Vexual: but diverted apter i ruined my kitchen

07:51:13 Vexual: wehn considering improvements to the valve system i imagined a better concrete pump

07:51:29 punkman: melting beercans?

07:51:35 Vexual: saucepans

07:51:50 Vexual: beerscans burned up

07:52:32 mircea_popescu: Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxhs-O_9BLc

07:52:33 assbot: Seinfeld - Kramer (the Merv Griffin set) - YouTube

07:52:40 mircea_popescu: he tries to make gravel. in a blender.

07:52:59 Vexual: lol

08:00:08 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsswIRkAjfU

08:25:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 320 @ 0.00185347 = 0.5931 BTC [+] {5}

08:26:13 RagnarDanneskjol: duh http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogeraitken/2014/08/11/forex-market-regulation-who-can-really-police-this-global-market/

08:26:14 assbot: Forex Market Regulation: Who Can Really Police This Global Market? - Forbes

09:45:04 punkman: awesome name: https://twitter.com/TittiPersson

09:45:05 assbot: Titti Persson (TittiPersson) auf Twitter

09:47:41 kyuupichan: LTC under $5 now

09:47:56 Vexual: ikea here we come

09:50:37 Vexual: ltc was 30 cents before asics?

09:53:15 Vexual: from memory?

09:56:57 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i7ZGTXrzA0

09:57:51 cazalla: nah, was well above that before they arrived

09:58:12 Vexual: well 5 bucks aint nothin to cry about

09:58:16 Vexual: either way

09:58:30 cazalla: depends when you bought them i guess

09:58:41 cazalla: i sold for like $3

09:59:12 Vexual: holding ltc for more than 30 mins gives me hives

10:01:04 Vexual: it was $8 or something at the top?

10:01:18 kyuupichan: holy collapse baby

10:01:46 pankkake: http://qz.com/248063/twitter-admits-that-as-many-as-23-million-of-its-active-users-are-actually-bots/

10:01:47 assbot: Twitter admits that as many as 23 million of its active users are automated – Quartz

10:01:56 Vexual: busted

10:01:59 kyuupichan: LTC? peaked at $50

10:02:16 Vexual: sice when?

10:02:42 Vexual: bots=zombies

10:04:54 Vexual: reallly 50 bux? i ignore it

10:05:56 BigBitz: 40 was it not?

10:06:12 Vexual: fark

10:06:57 kyuupichan: Playing on bitcoinwisdom I see a $48.48. Might be higher with more resolution

10:07:13 kyuupichan: Nov 26 2013

10:07:26 Vexual: thankyou for not making me google the date

10:07:27 BigBitz: It was $4x for sure. I didn't think it quite hit $5x though.

10:07:27 BigBitz: Bitcoin tanking hard last 24 hours.

10:07:52 Vexual: big mines pay bills in dollars bb

10:08:06 BigBitz: Vexual yup...

10:09:13 BigBitz: ;;ticker --high

10:09:14 gribble: 572.0

10:09:15 BigBitz: ;;ticker --low

10:09:15 gribble: 553.0

10:09:20 BigBitz: such trade.

10:09:23 Vexual: ;;estimate

10:09:24 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 23873402697.3 based on data since last change | 24726235837.8 based on data for last three days

10:09:26 BigBitz: many volitile

10:09:45 cazalla: satoshi was smart in a way coblee was not, if bitcoin died, no-one can find him, coblee on the otherhand..

10:09:59 Vexual: whats colblee

10:11:20 Vexual: google fails me

10:11:32 Vexual: oh

10:11:35 cazalla: Vexual, this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEfXlDvn9Sc

10:11:36 assbot: Charles Lee AKA Coblee MAXIMUM AUTISM - YouTube

10:12:06 pankkake: lol at video title

10:12:45 BigBitz: That is an odd video, cazalla.

10:12:48 BigBitz: I don't quite 'get it'

10:12:54 Vexual: i still dont understtand

10:14:01 cazalla: you don't think that someone that says you can send 10's of millions of dollars to someone in china, that you don't even know, has autism?

10:14:40 BigBitz: Do you know what Autism is?

10:14:55 punkman: assburgers

10:15:03 BigBitz: Heh, yeah aspies.

10:16:02 cazalla: BigBitz, another word for retard, isn't it ?

10:16:14 pankkake: no

10:16:49 cazalla: or is it that label kids get given who then think they're special

10:16:55 pankkake: autist is socially retarded

10:16:55 Vexual: i send money to people i dont know

10:17:01 BigBitz: lol...

10:17:08 BigBitz: It's not another word for being retarded.

10:17:15 cazalla: like the autists are the minecraft convention who ask the developers if they have it and how it helped them

10:17:35 Vexual: are you eating veg or just lapin caz?

10:18:09 Vexual: is coblee some scammor?

10:18:30 cazalla: Vexual, what's that mean

10:18:38 Vexual: please explain

10:18:54 Vexual: ive never heard of him

10:19:17 BigBitz: He's from Bitcointalk.

10:19:20 BigBitz: Coblee.

10:19:32 Vexual: what did he done?

10:19:51 pankkake: like most chinese, copy something and make it worse

10:20:02 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3PSGVMM.txt )

10:20:02 Vexual: !b 1

10:20:03 cazalla: Vexual, he tells people fools gold is silver

10:20:25 assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HEP0MT.txt )

10:20:25 pankkake: !b 7

10:20:35 pankkake: should have context

10:20:43 Vexual: ^

10:20:52 pankkake: poor bash mods

10:21:24 punkman: !b15

10:21:42 Vexual: whats asciicode for infintity?

10:21:49 punkman: 8

10:22:00 pankkake:

10:22:07 Vexual: grr

10:22:09 punkman: mine's erect

10:28:47 davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#791960 <<< interesting

10:28:47 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

10:28:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:43:53 Vexual: cazalla: lapin is rabbit, you need veg or jour liver makes your brain wild

10:44:08 xmj: jour liver?

10:44:10 xmj: what?

10:44:24 Vexual: thats a vexualism

10:44:35 Vexual: can you deal xjm

10:44:47 xmj: what

10:46:06 Vexual: lets make a proverb

10:46:23 Vexual: what

10:48:11 Vexual: can you handle it?

10:49:37 xmj: what

10:51:13 xmj: Vexual: please stop spamming me.

10:52:43 Vexual: a limerick then

10:53:33 Vexual: proverbs are better

10:57:54 Vexual: you might wanna redefine spam, kid

11:01:53 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWJqt0u_TCs

11:18:21 Vexual: thats not how you play frogger

12:09:32 wyrdmantis: hi diana

12:23:40 diana_coman: hi wyrdmantis

12:30:45 diana_coman: wyrdmantis, start by reading the logs I suppose

12:30:58 diana_coman: what brings you here?

12:33:17 wyrdmantis: thirst of knowledge & money

12:34:21 wyrdmantis: mircea popescu told me that in order to improve my rating in the wot i have to work FOR someone already in the wot

12:34:22 diana_coman: not bad, but it's good to know that need was never enough to get something, right?

12:34:44 diana_coman: ah, I see, well, what can you do?

12:35:15 diana_coman: I think one of the latest posts on fraudsters offered an idea of something to do, so give it a try

12:40:40 wyrdmantis: i can't identify it... what's the title about?

12:41:24 chetty: wyrdmantis, what sort of things can you do?

12:42:32 diana_coman: wyrdmantis, check http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-bitcoin-lordship-list-first-revision/ at the end

12:42:33 assbot: The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

12:43:52 wyrdmantis: oh yeah, thanks

12:44:56 pankkake: ;;ticker --market paymium --currency eur

12:44:57 gribble: Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'okc', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'bitmynt', 'btsp', 'btcavg', 'krk', 'btcde', 'btce', 'bfx'] or 'all'

12:45:18 pankkake: ;;ticker --market bcent --currency eur

12:45:20 gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 410.0, Best ask: 416.0, Bid-ask spread: 6.00000, Last trade: 410.0, 24 hour volume: 71.27294753, 24 hour low: 410.0, 24 hour high: 436.0, 24 hour vwap: 423.83422109

12:45:38 diana_coman: wyrdmantis np, good luck

13:01:42 khersonus: ;;ticker

13:01:44 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 533.02, Best ask: 533.68, Bid-ask spread: 0.66000, Last trade: 533.68, 24 hour volume: 15323.73920370, 24 hour low: 524.7, 24 hour high: 572.0, 24 hour vwap: 552.917907413

13:23:54 punkman: omg crash!!11

13:24:03 punkman: ;;tickert --market all

13:24:03 gribble: Error: "tickert" is not a valid command.

13:24:12 punkman: ;;ticker --market all

13:24:18 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 525.03, vol: 17604.91999112 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 523.3, vol: 8192.93311 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 526.71, vol: 11869.68961837 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 560.0, vol: 31.53948071 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 522.11575, vol: 7017.12670000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 531.63618, vol: 4.33673079 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 537.34, vol: 92.09489774 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

13:26:55 mod6: https://imgflip.com/i/b3jir

13:26:56 assbot: Conspiracy Keanu Meme - Imgflip

13:39:04 nubbins`: http://www.avclub.com/article/activision-making-new-kings-quest-208053

13:39:04 assbot: Activision is making a new Kings Quest · Newswire · The A.V. Club

13:39:06 nubbins`: :D

13:41:22 mod6: wow, really?

13:41:47 mod6: that might be the first game like that I ever played

13:41:50 assbot: hdbuck +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

13:41:59 pankkake: !up hdbuck

13:42:38 hdbuck: merci pankkake j’essaie le WoT là :)

13:42:54 Apocalyptic: some french new blood

13:43:03 pankkake: !up StephanLivera

13:43:10 StephanLivera: Thanks pankkake

13:43:31 pankkake: ;;gettrust hdbuck

13:43:31 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask hdbuck!~hdbuck@ATuileries-153-1-37-9.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr. Trust relationship from user pankkake to user hdbuck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pankkake&dest=hdbuck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=hdbuck | Rated since: never

13:43:33 StephanLivera: so price dip hey, I think a lot of people need to chill out

13:44:14 pankkake: I don't like either panic sells or panic buys

13:44:15 nubbins`: !up StephanLivera

13:44:19 nubbins`: oh ha, sorry, was afk

13:44:25 StephanLivera: I suspect it's partly ethereum devs cashing some out, and partly merchant adoption outpacing user hoarding

13:44:31 StephanLivera: thanks anyway nubbins`

13:44:34 nubbins`: mod6 kq3 was precisely the first thing i ever did with a computer

13:44:36 pankkake: what's the ethereum address?

13:44:49 nubbins`: mod6: http://www.agdinteractive.com/games/kq3/

13:44:50 assbot: King's Quest III Redux : To Heir is Human, an AGDinteractive Graphic Adventure Game

13:44:56 nubbins`: ^ free download

13:45:11 StephanLivera: pankkake, https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/08/08/announcement-on-planned-exodus-withdrawal/

13:45:11 assbot: ethereum blog | Announcement on planned withdrawal from exodus

13:45:17 mod6: nubbins`: sweet!

13:45:20 nubbins`: :D

13:45:26 StephanLivera: pankkake, here's the address they list http://blockchain.info/address/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2

13:45:26 assbot: Bitcoin Address 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2

13:45:31 nubbins`: warning: you've forgotten how goddamn hard that game is

13:46:46 mod6: hahaha

13:46:52 StephanLivera: I think people need to just chill out, be patient and wait for people to 'naturally' be spurred into buying/hoarding bitcoin. It could be bail ins, could be big banks defaulting, loss of purchasing power from inflation etc

13:46:58 nubbins`: !up Enky

13:46:59 nubbins`: !up stormlight

13:47:21 nubbins`: StephanLivera you've come across the most patient people in the entire btc space

13:47:36 nubbins`: you'll be hard-pressed to find someone concerned about the day-to-day price in here :D

13:47:48 StephanLivera: yeah I'm sure the people who are in here tend to be more technically competent

13:48:14 pankkake: so you mean HODL?

13:48:22 StephanLivera: yeah, one of my mates will message me all the time when there's big price movement, particularly price drop. I think he's a little too emotionally invested

13:48:25 nubbins`: hodor hodols

13:48:39 nubbins`: StephanLivera that's one of the stages ;D

13:48:50 StephanLivera: well he's been in this stage for a while :p

13:49:52 nubbins`: hey, some women think they don't need feminism until they're in their 60s ;D

13:50:03 *: nubbins` pops corn in anticipation of others reading logs

13:53:32 StephanLivera: so I'm new around here, what is the best way to get rated in WoT with assbot?

13:54:49 pankkake: ;;rate StephanLivera 1 #bitcoin-assets +v

13:54:50 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

13:54:56 pankkake: grmbl

13:55:26 pankkake: ;;rate StephanLivera 1 #bitcoin-assets +v

13:55:27 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user StephanLivera has been recorded.

13:55:39 StephanLivera: cheers pankkake

13:55:48 nubbins`: if not the best, certainly the easiest ;D

13:56:02 pankkake: ;;rate hdbuck 1 #bitcoin-assets +v

13:56:03 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hdbuck has been recorded.

13:56:11 hdbuck: cheers mate

13:56:13 diana_coman: ahahaha @nubbins will have to remember that when I turn 60

13:56:37 hdbuck: pankkake so you know lainz? ^^

13:56:55 pankkake: yes, I met him a few times. he actually told me about this chan!

13:57:14 hdbuck: pankkake yea me too

13:57:31 pankkake: :)

13:58:17 pankkake: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc2MjE

13:58:17 assbot: [Phoronix] The Lenovo X200 Now Works With Coreboot

14:01:10 pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/bitpagos-brings-bitcoin-8000-convenience-stores-ripio/ (Argentina)

14:01:10 assbot: BitPagos Brings Bitcoin to 8,000 Convenience Stores With Ripio

14:03:58 punkman: https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/first-images-of-a-heart-injected-with-liquid-metal-8b41e1d318c6

14:03:58 assbot: First Images of a Heart Injected with Liquid Metal The Physics arXiv Blog Medium

14:20:25 mod6: %d

14:20:27 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 1998 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00

14:20:34 mod6: %p

14:20:36 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.06 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 3145.40 GH/s

14:20:37 asciilifeform: !s gallium

14:20:37 assbot: 15 results for 'gallium' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=gallium

14:20:45 asciilifeform: punkman ^

14:21:10 punkman: asciilifeform: I think of you when I read gallium now

14:21:37 *: asciilifeform believe or not, has no gallium

14:22:03 punkman: anyone else's internets timing out a lot today?

14:23:09 pankkake: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/08/13/0048244/the-ipv4-internet-hiccups maybe you're on the wrong side of the internet

14:23:10 assbot: The IPv4 Internet Hiccups - Slashdot

14:24:21 punkman: some more advanced chumpatronics: http://localregister.amazon.com/

14:25:49 asciilifeform: punkman: copy of 'square', etc.

14:27:41 punkman: asciilifeform: yeah but Square isn't selling everything you sell and cheaper

14:28:19 asciilifeform: if x (for some value of x) is selling everything you sell and cheaper - you have problems

14:36:21 wyrdmantis: have you seen http://bravenewcoin.com/ ?

14:36:22 assbot: Welcome to BraveNewCoin » Brave New Coin

14:36:37 asciilifeform: '?we? will not be selling any portion of this 2650 BTC on exchanges ourselves, although individuals may choose to independently convert the BTC that they receive into fiat after the fact.'

14:36:49 asciilifeform: (from https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/08/08/announcement-on-planned-exodus-withdrawal -- linked here earlier)

14:36:50 assbot: ethereum blog | Announcement on planned withdrawal from exodus

14:37:10 asciilifeform: in case anyone was puzzled as to why btc-fiat exch. rate sank

14:38:04 punkman: they can't have sold that much to make it go $520

14:38:33 kakobrekla: 2k sell and 7k sheep ?

14:39:55 asciilifeform: as to why...

14:40:25 jurov: we're out of internets?

14:40:26 asciilifeform: 'They tend to show up late at parties because they figure they can always steal the cake anyway, so why bother go early ? Let the suckers figure out first - on their own dime - where the good cakes are, then just swoop in and collect... This means the only way they can get in is if you let them get in. Don?t let them get in for cheap - they have no business here.' (mp's http://fraudsters.com/2014/people-us-dollar

14:40:27 assbot: People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:40:27 asciilifeform: s-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling)

14:40:50 asciilifeform: they want in. on the cheap. hence, chumpatron enlisted to drive down price.

14:41:20 pankkake: this is starting to sound like #bitcoin-bagholders

14:43:11 asciilifeform: pankkake: trying to crack the enigma of why the chumpers bought eth by the truckload but not one of them took mp's 'short' delivery deal.

14:43:15 asciilifeform: (last i checked)

14:43:51 asciilifeform: best hypothesis is that the buyers were puppets, brought in for a specific purpose

14:44:52 kakobrekla: mp doesnt even come on the buyers radar

14:45:13 kakobrekla: and if it did, it would be categorized under "crazy"

14:45:43 kakobrekla: "scam" if not "crazy".

14:45:45 asciilifeform: one reason could be: if there are no buyers (in the human sense)

14:46:05 kakobrekla: i doubt that

14:46:50 kakobrekla: i think you all are underestimating the power of animated webpage design

14:47:40 asciilifeform: !s deer hunter

14:47:41 assbot: 6 results for 'deer hunter' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=deer+hunter

14:48:16 nubbins`: mildly related:

14:48:17 asciilifeform: inescapable conclusion is that the 'masses' don't actually want to live. they want to be killed in decorous, socially-approved ways.

14:48:18 punkman: you wash some of your own btc, jerk some puppets, the muppets won't be able to resist

14:48:19 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/opBkMgl

14:48:19 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:48:20 kakobrekla: i remember when i was a kid, there was a game, where you were the deer with the gun hunting hunters.

14:48:29 asciilifeform: 'deer avenger'

14:48:36 asciilifeform: !up bats_cd03

14:48:37 kakobrekla: dunno

14:48:43 bats_cd03: sankq

14:49:15 bats_cd03: http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/69343/aclcoling06-kacmarcik-gamon.pdf , http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114112/anonymouth-linguistic-tool-might-have-helped-jk-rowling , http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2382450 << tl;dr stylometry ('authorship attribution techniques') is easily beaten, as most people would intuit

14:49:17 assbot: Anonymouth: The Linguistic Tool That Might Have Helped JK Rowling | New Republic

14:49:18 assbot: Adversarial stylometry

14:49:26 kakobrekla: i guess it was the first version of deer avenger that i was exposed to.

14:49:40 kakobrekla: "free beer who wants a cold one?"

14:49:43 kakobrekla: and then you wait.

14:49:49 pankkake: lol. I never knew that one. but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsJtoVBhmbw

14:49:49 assbot: Ce matin, un lapin... ( originale ) - YouTube

14:50:09 bats_cd03: http://recon.cx/2014/slides/recon-2014-ossmann-hackrf.pdf http://recon.cx/2014/video/recon2014-03-michael-ossmann-SDR-Tricks-with-HackRF.mp4 recon 2014 slides by ossman re: SDR

14:50:23 kakobrekla: same here

14:50:31 kakobrekla: "best crypto who wants a cold one?"

14:50:33 kakobrekla: and then you wait.

14:51:02 bats_cd03: http://youtu.be/BkIDPwkeGWs debug menu in pokemons

14:51:03 assbot: Pokemon Yellow ASM hack: Debug menu - YouTube

14:51:45 bats_cd03: http://pastebin.com/aFUP2gLB freedom hosting malware RE

14:51:45 assbot: [JavaScript] Freedom Hosting FBI Shellcode Payload.. - Pastebin.com

14:58:15 bats_cd03: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc2MjE

14:58:16 assbot: [Phoronix] The Lenovo X200 Now Works With Coreboot

15:01:05 bats_cd03: http://www.bgpmon.net/what-caused-todays-internet-hiccup/

15:01:05 assbot: What caused todays Internet hiccup | BGPmon

15:02:05 asciilifeform: 'According to the Coreboot Wiki, most of the X200 components should be working except for the dock, digitizer, and the need to be using binary blobs for the VGA option ROM, CPU microcode, and ME/EC.'

15:02:06 asciilifeform: lol

15:02:45 bats_cd03: thats why coreboot works, and not libreboot :P

15:02:48 asciilifeform: 'man is entirely healthy except for gangrene in arm, leg, and eight fingers.'

15:12:19 bats_cd03: http://www.slideshare.net/xabean/controlling-usb-flash-drive-controllers-expose-of-hidden-features what is old is new again

15:12:21 assbot: Controlling USB Flash Drive Controllers: Expose of Hidden Features

15:12:54 bats_cd03: 'audio-based communication for bridging air-gaps' is p cool

15:13:44 bats_cd03: (i'm probably the only person in the internets that hasnt actually read about badbios until now)

15:15:34 asciilifeform: bats_cd03: russian and chinese crap artists have been doing this for years - but for some reason it is 'news' now.

15:15:40 asciilifeform: (usb firmware mod)

15:16:28 bats_cd03: yep

15:17:33 bats_cd03: i received my facedancer board in the mail recently. looking forward to doing some usb research http://travisgoodspeed.blogspot.com/2012/10/emulating-usb-dfu-to-capture-firmware.html

15:17:34 assbot: Travis Goodspeed's Blog: Emulating USB DFU to Capture Firmware

15:17:47 bats_cd03: would you have any suggestions for reading material?

15:18:17 asciilifeform: bats_cd03: surely you have a target in mind.

15:18:52 asciilifeform: how often do people 'i got a spiffy new rifle, now what should i shoot, give ideas' ?

15:19:05 bats_cd03: heh

15:21:04 BingoBoingo: !up bats_cd03

15:24:10 bats_cd03: i was thinking making a run at : ip camera, 'encrypted' drive, and wifi dongle. i might also fuzz some windows drivers

15:24:26 pankkake: what for?

15:24:29 asciilifeform: bats_cd03: try wireless keyboards

15:25:33 xmj: asciilifeform: more often than you think

15:25:36 bats_cd03: personal edification and luls, i might clearsign a paper and publish if i find anything interesting

15:25:42 xmj: asciilifeform: (if you're in a country that allows that)

15:25:44 bats_cd03: asciilifeform: good idea, thanks

15:27:45 bats_cd03: maybe i'll go for inclusion in this records.bitcoin-assets thing i briefly read about

15:31:14 BingoBoingo: http://www.theonion.com/articles/livestock-happiest-healthiest-attendees-of-state-f,36673/

15:31:14 assbot: Livestock Happiest, Healthiest Attendees Of State Fair | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

15:32:29 wyrdmantis: anyone knows something about https://www.btcdelta.com ?

15:35:41 BingoBoingo: wyrdmantis: Wed design too shiny, prolly scam

15:41:50 pankkake: Y-Combinator and featured on Coindesk

15:49:30 wyrdmantis: no it's not directly linked with y-combinator, i think

15:49:31 bats_cd03: so much js.

15:49:34 wywialm: good afternoon, #bitcoin-assets

15:49:42 bats_cd03: or is that cloudflare? i can't tell.

15:51:33 nubbins`: "clouflare: you'd better hope we don't go down"

16:00:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76083848 BTC to 13`817 shares, 12744 satoshi per share

16:01:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 13.74235660 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1195 satoshi per share

16:21:53 pankkake: CloudFlare: snake oil with top-notch tech support from the NSA

16:22:05 BigBitz: ++++

16:27:58 nubbins`: ;;google xquartz

16:27:58 gribble: XQuartz: http://xquartz.macosforge.org/; X11 - XQuartz: http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac; XQuartz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XQuartz

16:27:59 nubbins`: mod6

16:47:22 asciilifeform: 'We have been forced to remove the SolidEdge 3D drawings due to a company in China attempting to copy our product line. We regret the inconvenience this may cause our legitimate customers, but we cannot allow the 30+ years worth of design invested in our parts to be used by unscrupulous knock-off artists who are trying to put us out of business.' - sherline products inc. (a machine tool maker)

16:52:00 kakobrekla: order 1pc , measure it, draw it ?

16:52:24 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: too much like work.

16:55:22 jurov: $proxies

16:55:25 empyex: jurov: Proxies: mpex.bz mpex.ws mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1228 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91

16:57:10 asciilifeform: http://hbpub.vo.llnwd.net/o16/video/olmk/holt/greenwald/NoPlaceToHide-Documents-Uncompressed.pdf << p. 145-147, list of embassies in nyc and wash. dc with type of bug used. betcha not one has been pulled.

16:59:27 jurov: mpex.ws down atm

16:59:49 asciilifeform: cpanel !?!

17:05:12 asciilifeform: re: 'adversarial stylometry' << i had this working privately, years ago, for long-finished project. never thought it was remarkable in any way.

17:05:43 asciilifeform: ;;google shakespeare gzip

17:05:44 gribble: Download - Open Source Shakespeare: http://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/downloads/; XMill - Examples - Liefke: http://www.liefke.com/hartmut/xmill/data.html; XMill - An Efficient Compressor for XML - Liefke: http://www.liefke.com/hartmut/xmill/experiments.html

17:05:52 asciilifeform: ^ fail

17:06:28 asciilifeform: http://news.sciencemag.org/2002/01/reading-bits-shakespeare << based on this.

17:06:29 assbot: Reading the Bits of Shakespeare | Science/AAAS | News

17:06:58 asciilifeform: ordinary gzip plus a little bit of script gets you where you want to go.

17:07:29 asciilifeform: whether you want to imitate - or diverge from - a sample corpus, depends naturally on application.

17:07:59 kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> cpanel !?! < since ever

17:08:16 wyrdmantis: !jd

17:08:16 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 19098 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 1269.21 mio bets, 5.32 mio BTC wagered

17:08:32 kakobrekla: that is old wyrdmantis

17:09:04 wyrdmantis: ok...and?

17:09:07 jurov: asciilifeform: mircea uses cheap hosts for outermost proxies]

17:09:41 asciilifeform: aha

17:10:19 *: asciilifeform suspected this.

17:10:25 kakobrekla: wyrdmantis what good does it do you

17:10:41 *: asciilifeform likes to imagine that they talk to the mothership purely via blockchain telegraph, never knowing where it lives

17:10:44 kakobrekla: cpanel hosts are actually not the cheapest

17:10:58 kakobrekla: as they need to pay for... cpanel.

17:11:02 mircea_popescu: lol

17:11:07 mircea_popescu: they're not that cheap, no.

17:11:17 mircea_popescu: they're disposable tho, sure.

17:11:20 wyrdmantis: i'm just testing some commands :)

17:13:49 wyrdmantis: !t

17:13:49 assbot: Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?

17:14:09 wyrdmantis: lol

17:15:52 wyrdmantis: ;;ticker

17:15:54 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 541.83, Best ask: 544.58, Bid-ask spread: 2.75000, Last trade: 544.6, 24 hour volume: 22684.48763127, 24 hour low: 524.55, 24 hour high: 572.0, 24 hour vwap: 546.416149241

17:16:36 wyrdmantis: how to send messages to someone not online?

17:16:52 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell wyrdmantis this way

17:16:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:17:04 BingoBoingo: %t

17:17:08 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 225 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 154k High: 250 Low: 188 VWAP: 192

17:18:55 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1021/ltc-dead-before-doge/

17:18:55 assbot: BitBet - LTC dead before Doge :: 0.02 B (2%) on Yes, 0.88 B (98%) on No | closing in 10 months 3 weeks | weight: 99`625 (100`000 to 10`000)

17:19:01 mircea_popescu: the shitcontest!

17:21:13 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/hashtag/etherium << this is uncharacteristically lulzy.

17:21:15 assbot: Twitter / Suche - #etherium

17:22:50 mircea_popescu: mostly because... https://twitter.com/hashtag/Syscoin?src=hash

17:22:51 assbot: Twitter / Suche - #Syscoin

17:22:52 mircea_popescu: THE WHALES!!11

17:25:28 asciilifeform: interesting that they didn't have the patience to find a bulk buyer - or at least to piss it out to the exchanges slowly

17:25:43 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

17:25:45 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 540.34, Best ask: 540.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.61000, Last trade: 540.32, 24 hour volume: 22676.31398977, 24 hour low: 524.55, 24 hour high: 572.0, 24 hour vwap: 546.408520967

17:26:18 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: cpanel indeed

17:26:29 asciilifeform: impatience - an almost inescapable attribute of any dumb criminal

17:26:30 ben_vulpes: hey is that the dump from ether profits?

17:26:51 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes kinda what the usg needs, more loans of this type.

17:27:01 mircea_popescu: imbecile forumites are more than happy to provide

17:27:01 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i immediately assumed that's what it was, when it began. seems like other people also like this hypothesis. doesn't prove it is true

17:27:28 kakobrekla: it could be anything really

17:27:39 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they more or less confessed

17:27:41 mircea_popescu: at least here we know it has a fucking end.

17:28:11 asciilifeform: everything has a fucking end

17:28:21 mircea_popescu: no.

17:28:24 mircea_popescu: fiction has no end.

17:28:33 mircea_popescu: that'd be the principal problem with fiction.

17:28:35 kakobrekla: end can possibly never end.

17:28:54 mircea_popescu: as any successful fiction writer found out in short order.

17:28:56 asciilifeform: 'that is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die' etc

17:29:11 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ether is a loan to the usg?

17:29:14 ben_vulpes: or meta-usg/

17:29:16 mircea_popescu: "now you gotta write a sequel"

17:29:35 ben_vulpes: or btc sent to ether addr is loan to usg?

17:29:35 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see earlier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2014#794519

17:29:36 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

17:30:04 *: mircea_popescu redirects ben_vulpes to the hermetic http://fraudsters.com/2014/lets-pretend/

17:30:05 assbot: Let’s pretend… pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:32:09 ben_vulpes: yeah, i get it i read it, but whence the source? there was the usms sale which is theoretically trickling into the market, and the ether sale which may or may not be trickling into the market. the former, clearly usg. the latter as well?

17:32:51 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: usg << one possible explanatory hypothesis for why they bought straight from the vendor instead of mircea_popescu's short

17:35:25 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes pretty much every single major sucking of chumps change you will see from about q1 onwards will be and has been a psyops riding on top of a usg-backed institutional lending for shorts

17:36:34 mircea_popescu: here's the scheme : whatever usg affiliate, be it goldman sachs or herpy q derp that holds any sum of btc will lend it to the usg btc policy bureau in exchange for fiat guarantees.

17:37:23 mircea_popescu: any usg affiliate or more likely, herpy q derp that looks like he may acquire any btc sum through any means will receive all the soft backing possible, from business insder news articles to an invitation to the fucking white house. anything whatsoever as long as it loks natural rather than spammy

17:37:50 mircea_popescu: all these loan contracts are promised to unwind in fiat eventually, and will be in fact profitable for all parties if and only if bitcoin actually fails.

17:38:23 mircea_popescu: they are no major concern for the usg in either case, because man who hangs for a goat might as well hang for a goat and a chick

17:38:29 mircea_popescu: no matter how cool the chick was.

17:39:42 mircea_popescu: and so here we are. part ii of the game is, how much do you ~actually~ like this thing, once money actually is on the table.

17:40:00 mircea_popescu: unremarkably, the worthless shitheads that joined late have nothing to contribute.

17:40:18 mircea_popescu: but suddenly, the large early holdings that all the shitheads-with-a-megaphone were decrying as dangerous to bitcoin

17:40:28 mircea_popescu: turn into a major point of support for bitcoin.

17:40:38 mircea_popescu: which is how things work in moronia, down is up, etc.

17:41:34 asciilifeform: the large early holdings << these moved ?

17:41:41 mircea_popescu: nope.

17:42:04 asciilifeform: so isn't it rather like saying 'volcano was a major point of support for pompei until day x'

17:42:23 mircea_popescu: quite.

17:42:43 mircea_popescu: if the volcano never erupts, the fertile land on its slopes is actually enough to make the village own the other villages and build an empire.

17:43:32 *: asciilifeform wonders if the dump wasn't the work of an impatient man, but of a thinking one - trying to induce 'stress fracture' (what's the correct term?) via stampede effects

17:43:35 mircea_popescu: anyway, this whole charade'd have worked a damned sight better if the various y-combinator bezzlers, the foundation hearn, gmaxwell and co would have actually had what they thought they had and everyone thought they should have, ie, actual respectability and bitcoin cred.

17:43:48 mircea_popescu: thankfully, uncommon sense prevailed. so far at least.

17:44:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i think on that topic is perhaps apparent from what i do, namely, that i'm even talking about all this.

17:44:49 mircea_popescu: but yes, for momentum shorts soft landing is the worst fucking news imaginable. so far, we're beating the shit out of a soft flubbery substance the size of a continent.

17:45:14 *: asciilifeform infers that, should a peculiar effect be seen and mircea_popescu is silent, then it must be truly interesting

17:45:31 mircea_popescu: or imaginary (ie, powerless)

17:46:04 mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny how this works in qm terms. basically, an oracle of the wave function, but just on the real part. is this actually useful ?

17:49:32 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Alibaba IPO mkt cap over $150B end of opening day" http://bitbet.us/bet/1019/ Odds: 68(Y):32(N) by coin, 67(Y):33(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.57 BTC. Current weight: 94,939.

17:50:54 mircea_popescu: anyway, that's the major change here. after the missed boat of govt mining last year, this year the us fed has actually given its infinite fiat backing to any scheme that convincingly may help, and meanwhile to trying to depress price.

17:51:34 mircea_popescu: this isn't something other countries can do, nor do they need to. this is the one opportunity they get to stock up.

17:53:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hard to see who else could have reanimated the corpse of the 2011-era human wave chump attacks

17:54:37 mircea_popescu: apparently it's sop.

17:54:43 the20year: for?

17:54:51 mircea_popescu: it boggles the mind what ends up being sop in a system that survives long enough.

17:55:18 mircea_popescu: kinda best argument against survival, that. "you'll end up weird."

17:56:21 mircea_popescu: fluffypony you know i can't look at spagni.net and not think spaghetti on the first pass.

17:56:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-refund-date-updated-08132014/

17:56:57 fluffypony: lol

17:57:03 fluffypony: that's the way it's meant to be

17:59:10 los_pantalones: BFL tried to sell ~3k BTC over the counter 10 days ago

17:59:14 los_pantalones: i told them to eff off

17:59:19 los_pantalones: not sure if anyone did the trade

17:59:33 mircea_popescu: they did :)

17:59:41 mircea_popescu: should be interesting, because no way that doesn't get attached.

17:59:56 los_pantalones: was my argument to my buddy who thought about pulling the trigger

18:00:08 asciilifeform: attached << i.e. wagen ?

18:00:10 los_pantalones: i told him he was a moron and welcome to the litigation party

18:00:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in bankruptcy proceedings, suspect trades of the management can be attached to the proceedings.

18:00:49 los_pantalones: yup

18:00:51 los_pantalones: as they should

18:01:01 asciilifeform: aha

18:01:02 los_pantalones: b/c otherwise i'd sell my POS equipment in the corner

18:01:04 los_pantalones: to my buddy

18:01:05 mircea_popescu: in bankruptcy proceedings with an aroma of fraud, criminal liability may flow through such trades

18:01:13 los_pantalones: for whatever price i want, bankrupt the co and walk out w/ cash

18:01:36 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones yeah, no practical way for an unwotted system to work otherwise.

18:01:41 los_pantalones: correct

18:01:59 mircea_popescu: notably the inventors of capitalism didn't either want or use such procedures.

18:02:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1126 @ 0.00175578 = 1.977 BTC [-] {11}

18:02:09 asciilifeform: attached, stolen coin << i've long suspected that chumpatrons like eth are 'anmesty funnels' for such stashes

18:02:16 mircea_popescu: but then again they were specifically uninclusive, or should i say anti-inclusive.

18:02:17 asciilifeform: *amnesty

18:02:31 los_pantalones: bbl, DMV time!

18:02:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, they aren't in fact, but surely, such is promised.

18:02:51 mircea_popescu: anything is promised when the matter at hand is extending the life of promise as a thing into the world.

18:10:43 thestringpuller: mod6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmif3lNneg

18:10:44 assbot: Jeezy on Sway in the Morning: Jay Z, Rick Ross, His Son, Freddie Gibbs, Illuminati and more - YouTube

18:10:50 thestringpuller: ^ you're welcome

18:10:51 thestringpuller: :D

18:14:02 mircea_popescu: %d

18:14:03 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 215279.89 in 1996 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -88.54

18:14:41 thestringpuller: chain hop chain hop!

18:14:51 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/812/atc-to-reach-block-50000-on-time/ << 10 days for 3,65k blocks

18:14:51 assbot: BitBet - ATC to reach block 50000 on time :: 2.5 B (26%) on Yes, 7.05 B (74%) on No | closed 2 weeks 3 days ago

18:15:49 mod6: thx tsp :]

18:15:56 mod6: was someone else looking for me earlier?

18:18:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 989 @ 0.00174 = 1.7209 BTC [-]

18:21:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00171459 = 1.7146 BTC [-] {8}

18:22:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 458 @ 0.00171111 = 0.7837 BTC [-] {2}

18:51:39 jurov: ;;bc,convert eur

18:51:40 gribble: 1 BTC = 546.99 USD = 409.093821 eur

18:52:56 pankkake: ;;ticker --market bcent --currency eur

18:52:57 gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 411.01, Best ask: 414.49999999, Bid-ask spread: 3.49000, Last trade: 412.0, 24 hour volume: 98.8638896, 24 hour low: 401.0, 24 hour high: 433.98, 24 hour vwap: 414.70497387

19:00:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1760 @ 0.00171113 = 3.0116 BTC [-] {4}

19:00:03 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

19:00:03 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 545.45, Best ask: 546.33, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 546.34, 24 hour volume: 24793.05892021, 24 hour low: 524.55, 24 hour high: 572.0, 24 hour vwap: 545.688021621

19:00:06 thestringpuller: interesting

19:04:33 mircea_popescu: and mpex.ws is back in the game too.

19:12:56 *: nubbins` golf claps

19:19:43 jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpJmk7Q_vw4 lol where i ended up

19:19:43 assbot: Petrodollar Scam Breaking Down - YouTube

19:20:36 jurov: we should bribe him to narrate some fraudsters material

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19:21:36 jurov: lmao mircea

19:21:36 nubbins`: nice paste

19:21:37 mircea_popescu: aw shit. sorry.

19:21:48 nubbins`: how many horses did you need to make that much paste :D

19:22:33 mircea_popescu: fucking youtube scammed me.

19:23:03 mircea_popescu: anyway, the point i had buried under all that failpaste is... wtf, "petrodollar scam breaking down plz send me paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr dollar instead" ?

19:25:10 ben_vulpes: (from #emacs: "better than a gun-activated bitcoin printer")

19:28:54 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: emacs-activated gun printer

19:37:50 the20year: Any RS investors? We just sent out August financials

19:48:48 BingoBoingo: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/89400642/dallas-cowboys-cornerback-orlando-scandrick-crazy-explanation-ped-suspension#!bCM1YY

19:48:49 assbot: Orlando Scandrick tried to explain his PED use. | SportsonEarth.com : Will Leitch Article

19:51:00 mircea_popescu: here's a funny story from the past : in 1936 (ie, after the disastrous effects of roosevelt's socialist inanity became apparent to anyone worth the mention), literary digest sent out 10mn questionnaires to all the people buying it + anyone with a car or a phone.

19:51:06 mircea_popescu: they got ~2.5mn responses.

19:51:25 mircea_popescu: according to these, roosevelt was going out of office.

19:51:44 mircea_popescu: according to people who didn't read literary digest, own a car or a phone however... he stayed.

19:52:49 mircea_popescu: the ~other~ us liberal dictator, died in office, during his 4th term.

19:54:58 mircea_popescu: (also author of the sec, in case anyone missed the memo on what exactly the play is "undo the new deal", should they continue unaligned.)

19:59:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mdma is performance-enhancing ?

20:01:03 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Amphetamines are which is what the test was positive for. His story is MDMA, because recreational drugs have a lesser penalty (counseling vs. unpaid 4 game suspension)

20:01:37 mircea_popescu: you can test specifically for mdma clearance tho neh ?

20:02:03 BingoBoingo: Prolly, whether the NFL does or not is murky.

20:02:58 asciilifeform: when i studied ochem (admittedly a while ago) telling the two apart still required a human who could read spectra reasonably well

20:04:39 mircea_popescu: not like they have to test so many samples they can't afford a lab technician

20:04:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's usually done with bots

20:05:18 mircea_popescu: jacking off is also usually done with bots, nevertheless athletes usually can afford stripper service.

20:06:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not because of quantity, but because 'human factor'

20:06:53 asciilifeform: i.e. this - http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/11/22/annie-dookhan-former-state-chemist-who-mishandled-drug-evidence-agrees-plead-guilty/7UU3hfZUof4DFJGoNUfXGO/story.html?p1=ArticleTab_Article_Bottom

20:06:53 assbot: Annie Dookhan, former state chemist who mishandled drug evidence, agrees to plead guilty - Metro - The Boston Globe

20:07:21 mircea_popescu: not like this is an unmanageable problem.

20:07:26 mircea_popescu: have three of them.

20:07:40 asciilifeform: like soviet rocket assemblers

20:07:40 asciilifeform: sure

20:07:51 mircea_popescu: the courts can';t afford it and the das don't want it, but that is immaterial here i'd guess.

20:07:56 asciilifeform: korolev, afaik, invented this system

20:08:10 mircea_popescu: well it's not so much to invent, babylonians prolly invented it.

20:08:21 mircea_popescu: if not, the roman triumvirate works as invention too

20:08:25 asciilifeform: one calls out recipe steps; one actually tightens the bolt, whatever; one - verifies. then they all sign.

20:08:40 asciilifeform: all 3 answer with heads.

20:09:20 mircea_popescu: alternatively, they do all 3 in different gulag stations

20:09:25 mircea_popescu: then results compared at moscow

20:09:40 asciilifeform: rocket's a bitch to move.

20:09:46 mircea_popescu: make three rockets.

20:09:53 asciilifeform: lol

20:09:56 mircea_popescu: whichever rocket is not seen... it's where the other rockets land.

20:10:18 mircea_popescu: very fair system, too.

20:10:38 asciilifeform: 'two in a box' school of management.

20:11:00 mircea_popescu: you recall the romanian bridgebuilding joke ?

20:11:56 chetty: thats a joke? I thought it was a true story!

20:12:15 mircea_popescu: lol well that's why it's funny.

20:12:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, if you meant two in a box like this idiocy : http://www.opposingviews.com/i/two-in-a-box-management-works-like-equal-parenting it's exactly not what i had in mind.

20:12:38 assbot: 'Two in a Box' Management Works Like Equal Parenting

20:13:06 mircea_popescu: the irrelevant and replaceable parts are the actors, not the agents.

20:13:32 asciilifeform: nah the other two-in-a-box. e.g. let's have kgb and gru play same field

20:13:33 mircea_popescu: there's no need for two guys to come up with ways to test the mdma. one's enough. there may be need for three dudes to implement the testing, however.

20:15:03 asciilifeform: sometimes human factor is a plus (soviet nuke subs, manual reactor controls)

20:15:12 mircea_popescu: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2004/07/01/374834/ << for historical interest. this is how the party records looked back when the usg had few and marginal enemies, a solid grip on power, and people looked at the usgisation of places like intel as a Good Thing.

20:15:13 assbot: How Intel Grooms Its Leaders The succession formula is downright revolutionary: It picks CEOs years in advance, without drama or surprise. - July 1, 2004

20:15:15 asciilifeform: pipetting liquids in a predefined volume all day long is not one of these cases

20:15:43 asciilifeform: machine wins. but three drivers sitting in front of it, sure

20:24:58 asciilifeform: 'This extremely rare type of keyswitch actually presses a fake switch, similar to the Cherry MX Blue ?jumping bean? mechanism... Underneath each row of keys is an isolated ?transfer bar?, which the sliding ?beans? strike. On each end of the bar, a transducer (i.e. microphone or piezo) picks up the sound of the strike transmitted through the bar. The difference in arrival time between the two transduc

20:24:58 asciilifeform: ers tells which key was pressed... It?s corrosion resistant, impervious to the environment, and yes ? it will work underwater.'

20:25:05 asciilifeform: (http://blog.keyboard.io/post/93901487184/what-you-and-i-missed-at-keycon-2014)

20:25:55 mircea_popescu: keycon ?!

20:26:03 *: asciilifeform was surprised too

20:26:47 asciilifeform: principle is ancient though. it's how the first 'artist tablets' worked

20:26:52 asciilifeform: with a spark gap for the audio source

20:26:58 asciilifeform: (triangulated sound)

20:27:05 asciilifeform: 1960s if i recall

20:28:02 asciilifeform: (and the by now known to virtually everyone nsa typewriter trick)

20:30:41 mircea_popescu: http://www.ziuaconstanta.ro/images/stories/2014/08/03/radu-mazare_stefan-cel-mare/radu-mazare_stefan-cel-mare_1.jpg << this guy is the mayor of a seaside romanian town.

20:31:42 mircea_popescu: http://observatordeconstanta.ro/cdn/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/carnaval_mamaia_2014-29.jpg << same dude.

20:32:48 mircea_popescu: http://observatordeconstanta.ro/cdn/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/carnaval-mamaia1.jpg http://www.urban.ro/data/Image/image/artisti%20noi/radu%20mazare%20-%20costum.jpg etc

20:38:11 ben_vulpes: !t h rent

20:38:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00403501 / 0.00440115 / 0.00450000 (245 shares, 1.07828173 BTC), 7D: 0.00389999 / 0.00421793 / 0.00450000 (1864 shares, 7.86221338 BTC), 30D: 0.00305500 / 0.00407116 / 0.00540000 (10338 shares, 42.08760370 BTC)

20:40:03 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: bitcoin-gunned emacs printer

20:43:30 BingoBoingo: %t

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20:43:37 BingoBoingo: %ob

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20:43:48 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

20:43:50 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 542.5, Best ask: 543.18, Bid-ask spread: 0.68000, Last trade: 543.18, 24 hour volume: 24947.54085957, 24 hour low: 524.55, 24 hour high: 572.0, 24 hour vwap: 545.10933068

20:44:01 BingoBoingo: %d

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20:45:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 400 @ 0.00185199 = 0.7408 BTC [+] {2}

20:49:47 mircea_popescu: what i want to know is, how's eskimobob's rent a clay oven business working.

20:49:51 mircea_popescu: has it roi hand over fist yet ?

20:51:20 mod6: lel

20:52:11 the20year: the litecoin pottery investment?

20:52:42 the20year: ART on LTCG

20:53:08 mircea_popescu: yes that

20:53:41 the20year: i hear they're aiming for a 0.5% APY

20:56:43 BingoBoingo: http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2014/08/dallas-police-anti-government-corinth-gunman-said-he-wanted-to-occupy-house-in-far-north-dallas.html/

20:58:08 mircea_popescu: the worst thing in that pic is the astroturf.

20:58:16 BingoBoingo: lol

20:58:42 mircea_popescu: "LeGuin did tell a 911 call taker that he intended to occupy the Far North Dallas house as a sovereign nation for himself."

20:58:47 asciilifeform: cremated by polizei in own astroturf ?

20:58:56 asciilifeform: or wait, alive

20:59:01 BingoBoingo: alive

20:59:12 FabianB: $mpexstatus

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20:59:22 mircea_popescu: Maj. Jeff Cotner of the crimes against persons division said the whole incident was surreal. ?I?ve been here 32 1/2 years. This is bizarre,? he said. <<< dear usg worker, do yourself a favour, read http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ today.

20:59:23 assbot: The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

20:59:39 mircea_popescu: there's nothing "surreal" about it and it's not going away. it will have your throat slit if you persist. love, mp.

21:00:05 asciilifeform: at some point, one or more of the folks lowered into bitcherasty by usg will have a logical, adequate response.

21:00:21 asciilifeform: with something more than 19th c. tech

21:00:56 mircea_popescu: they don;t really need it.

21:01:15 mircea_popescu: 1st century tech is good enough for this task really.

21:01:36 chetty: even cave men could say NO

21:03:42 asciilifeform: 'When Dallas firefighters drove by the house, LeGuin allegedly started shooting at them. He hit the fire truck at least twice, police said.'

21:03:42 asciilifeform: ^ for non-usaians, this is a result of the peculiar custom of u.s. police using firemen as human shields

21:04:35 asciilifeform: chetty: cave man (or airplane man) is not an automatic born champion at saying 'no'. which is how we got 'the state' to begin with.

21:07:16 asciilifeform: 'LeGuin had told police he was part of the ?sovereign citizen? movement, which believes the federal, state and local governments operate illegally.'

21:07:25 asciilifeform: !s sovereign citizen

21:07:25 assbot: 2 results for 'sovereign citizen' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sovereign+citizen

21:08:35 nubbins`: http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/articles/2014/8/12/alabama-private-probation.html

21:08:36 assbot: Pay up or pay time: Alabama’s private probation industry | Al Jazeera America

21:08:54 nubbins`: !s freeman on the land

21:08:54 assbot: 1 results for 'freeman on the land' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=freeman+on+the+land

21:09:08 nubbins`: !s freeman

21:09:09 assbot: 4 results for 'freeman' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=freeman

21:09:11 asciilifeform: anyone have mircea_popescu's article on these handy ?

21:09:21 nubbins`: shrug

21:09:24 nubbins`: uh

21:09:24 mircea_popescu: didn't i just log it above ?

21:09:27 nubbins`: ^

21:09:33 nubbins`: ;;google sops site:fraudsters.org

21:09:33 gribble: No matches found.

21:09:36 nubbins`: boo

21:09:39 mircea_popescu: .com

21:09:49 nubbins`: rly?!

21:09:51 nubbins`: ;;google sops site:fraudsters.com

21:09:52 gribble: The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks - fraudsters: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/; You have no potential. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/you-have-no-potential; Octombrie 2013 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2013/10

21:10:06 asciilifeform: aha this

21:10:19 nubbins`: there was one of these cases here in nl

21:10:42 nubbins`: the accused was "educated" on the ways of being a freeloader-on-the-land by a mentally ill woman who grew up 4 houses away from me

21:10:44 nubbins`: :0

21:11:14 nubbins`: prior to becoming a life advisor, she'd done stints impersonating a doctor, among other things

21:11:19 asciilifeform: these folks - a classic illustration of how it is not enough to 'say no'

21:11:29 asciilifeform: need to find how to make the 'no' stick.

21:12:07 nubbins`: http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/2013-10-12/article-3427331/Member-of-Freeman-on-the-Land-movement-voices-objections/1

21:12:08 assbot: Member of Freeman-on-the-Land movement voices objections - Local - The Telegram

21:12:11 mircea_popescu: !up Petrodriller

21:12:18 nubbins`: !up bats_cd03

21:12:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's sticking already.

21:12:34 asciilifeform: ;;google solzhenitsyn axe

21:12:35 gribble: Quote by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn : “And how we burned in the ...: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/34738-and-how-we-burned-in-the-camps-later-thinking-what; Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes (Author of One Day in the Life of ...: http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/10420.Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn; The Gulag Archipelago - Wikiquote: (1 more message)

21:13:29 nubbins`: To the judge, she said, “Mr. Supernumerary, why are you still speaking? I’m the only one with standing in this courtroom and have the rights.”

21:13:48 asciilifeform: nubbins`: then, i presume, the men in white coats came in ?

21:14:19 nubbins`: iirc she ended up relenting

21:14:56 mircea_popescu: problem is all this cost her < a hamburger (which she gets free anyway)

21:15:04 mircea_popescu: it cost the sops prolly close to 1mn.

21:15:15 mircea_popescu: they only get THAT free if they find someone to beg or steal it off.

21:15:32 nubbins`: book a courtroom, judge, sheriffs officers, all the paperwork that a dozen or two clerks can grab...

21:15:48 nubbins`: anyway, house arrest and probation

21:15:49 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/amy-collins-sentenced-to-house-arrest-probation-1.2325800

21:15:50 assbot: Amy Collins sentenced to house arrest, probation - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

21:15:50 asciilifeform: obligatory:

21:15:56 asciilifeform: ;;google the art of not being governed

21:15:57 gribble: The Art of Not Being Governed: An Anarchist History ... - Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Not-Being-Governed/dp/0300169175; The Art of Not Being Governed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Not_Being_Governed; The Art of Not Being Governed: http://www.notbeinggoverned.com/

21:16:20 asciilifeform: ^ canonical book on the history of when extraction was more (or not) expensive for the state, than it is worth

21:16:52 asciilifeform: (i'll spoil it: with 20th c. tech, virtually always a 'yes')

21:16:53 mircea_popescu: !up warptangent

21:16:55 nubbins`: fun

21:16:57 mircea_popescu: !up WarriorForum

21:17:08 mircea_popescu: !up Unitar

21:19:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda why the credit bubble is required for usg : because all extraction only works if it costs more than it extracts

21:19:47 mircea_popescu: this being the fundamental of rooslvelt's new deal.

21:20:03 asciilifeform: costs more? backwards?

21:20:33 mircea_popescu: every dollar the usg extracts from anything costs it more than a dollar as a precondition of its continued existence.

21:20:52 asciilifeform: and still not seeing it. a few mil. people in usa evicted, how many shot at the sheriff? ten?

21:21:21 mircea_popescu: they can only get evicted provided their eviction costs more than it's worth.

21:22:23 chetty: got to keep pumping that debt

21:22:36 asciilifeform: considering that this is rather opposite of the thermodynamics we learned in kindergarten, perhaps deserves explanation ?

21:22:42 mircea_popescu: yeah, the whole story works fine for as long as the expansion of debt remains unrestricted.

21:22:58 asciilifeform: e.g. oil well that needs more joules to pump than you get out - is abandoned

21:23:00 mircea_popescu: this creates "assets" for everyone involved, and so...

21:23:05 asciilifeform: why would opposite rule apply here

21:23:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ask roosevelt.

21:23:16 mircea_popescu: i didn't come up with it.

21:23:45 asciilifeform: roosevelt (or stalin, for that matter) just subscribed to a somewhat baroque school of biodiesel manufacture

21:23:57 mircea_popescu: nah, the cripple came up with it all on his own.

21:24:02 asciilifeform: that is, it doesn't matter that the well is -EV if expendable slaves are pumping by hand

21:24:11 asciilifeform: you're converting their fat to fuel

21:24:12 mircea_popescu: "how great would it be if we cut off everyone's legs, and hired someone to push them around"

21:24:36 mircea_popescu: stalin's thing was reality bound. roosevelt's thing was not.

21:24:57 asciilifeform: roosevelt started with considerably more fat

21:25:05 mircea_popescu: this is why the soviet union collapsed cleanly, whereas the libertard union will not.

21:25:09 mircea_popescu: nah

21:25:21 mircea_popescu: that's not where it lies. stalin's externality was belly fat

21:25:27 mircea_popescu: r's externality was brain fat.

21:26:40 mircea_popescu: ;;google sops site:fraudsters.org

21:26:41 gribble: No matches found.

21:26:44 mircea_popescu: orly.

21:27:21 mircea_popescu: in honor of nubbins` typing skills, you can now access fraudsters as fraudsters.org fraudsters.net fraudsters.me fraudsters.eu or fraudsters.com at your option.

21:27:38 mircea_popescu: (cookies won't work if you get them on the wrong domain, so reset if you switch)

21:28:19 thestringpuller: everytime I see cookies won't work i think people are like "i don't like cookies. they aren't delicious"

21:28:24 mircea_popescu: lol

21:28:26 thestringpuller: and it makes me think "are you crazy?"

21:28:30 mircea_popescu: yes.

21:28:46 *: nubbins` bows, waves

21:29:27 nubbins`: oh also: http://imgur.com/opBkMgl

21:29:28 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

21:30:10 nubbins`: this image came to me as a psd with, no joke, over 150 layers

21:30:26 mircea_popescu: looks like it was worth it

21:30:51 nubbins`: as i can't fit 150 screens on the press, this is reduced to 4 layers

21:31:46 thestringpuller: well you could use 150 screens

21:31:50 thestringpuller: but that'd be insane

21:31:57 nubbins`: anyway, clearing through the backlog. 150-ish two-sided cards and another hundred shirts and i'm in the clear for digging into the bitcoin posters

21:32:12 nubbins`: thestringpuller it'd be cumbersome

21:32:42 nubbins`: there were only like 6 or 7 colors in there to begin with. it's just that for some reason she put each stroke in its own layer

21:33:04 thestringpuller: i'm just gonna tell my screenprinting people that you can print 150 colors

21:33:07 thestringpuller: np

21:33:12 thestringpuller: they don't have to know you actually don't

21:33:17 thestringpuller: get them to step up their game

21:33:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.00175001 = 0.525 BTC [-] {2}

21:34:02 nubbins`: they already need to step up their game if they wanna be as good as us ;D

21:35:00 thestringpuller: the "mythical" 150 screen press serves as a better motivator ;)

21:35:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's model this with a game of chess. suppose there's ten of us in a room. nine are amateurs, i am a rated pro.

21:36:16 mircea_popescu: first game starts. i tell my opponent "listen, if you let me play with an extra queen, i

21:36:24 mircea_popescu: ll let you play with two extra queens on the rematch"

21:36:50 mircea_popescu: now this is actually +ev for the opponent : he probably can't beat a pro on even figures, so giving an extra gueen is not much to give.

21:36:51 nubbins`: in the philippines, they do a lot of peg-and-hole printing, you could theoretically do 150-color designs no sweat

21:37:03 mircea_popescu: however, no pro in the world can beat someone with three queens on the table. and so he consents.

21:37:08 mircea_popescu: i won a game.

21:37:14 nubbins`: set up like 200-500 shirts at a time on these huge long tables, each shirt has 2 wooden dowels sticking out of the board above it

21:37:23 mircea_popescu: the problem is, it cost me more to win than it's worth. but i won it.

21:37:48 nubbins`: printer takes a squeegee and screen w/ 2 holes on top, slips screen onto first set of dowels, prints, steps to the right, repeat

21:38:05 mircea_popescu: which you know, in some approaches to politics, such as would for instance be favoured by temporary figureheads elected by a democracy, and supported by an unmovable bureaucracy, is the whole of my job.

21:38:27 mircea_popescu: next game, let someone else handle the problems.

21:39:26 mircea_popescu: what this entire thing depends on is the nigger'

21:39:34 mircea_popescu: s birth certificate remaining unquestioned, so to speak.

21:39:55 mircea_popescu: by the time people actually figure out the nsa is NOT what they'd buy if they had the money to buy a nsa and were in the nsa market...

21:41:00 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBojYrC8QuM

21:41:00 assbot: t shirt printing philippines - YouTube

21:43:13 thestringpuller: wow nubbins`

21:43:41 mircea_popescu: !up bocobit

21:43:42 nubbins`: look at the guy removing them, each platen has a big stack of shirts snugged onto it

21:43:48 nubbins`: and they just peel em off as they go

21:44:02 nubbins`: that's crazy

21:46:13 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_FbV2iXztU

21:46:13 assbot: water based 5 color printing - YouTube

21:47:09 nubbins`: drawback to this method is you can't cure the ink between colors

21:47:21 nubbins`: you can see a guy waving a heat gun around ;0

21:56:37 mircea_popescu: http://mod6.net/eulora/ << eulora gaining moar mommentum each week

21:56:40 assbot: Index of /eulora

21:59:15 thestringpuller: a little bit every day

22:08:44 mod6: :D

22:45:37 BingoBoingo: Oh, the Greyhawk NPC is already in Euloria

22:59:04 mod6: oooooo man

22:59:13 *: mod6 is scooping up shiny objects!

23:02:26 mod6: there isn't going to be a screen shot of that ;>

23:09:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 26 @ 0.02523161 = 0.656 BTC [-]

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23:16:50 BingoBoingo: What kind of history do you have?

23:17:14 BingoBoingo: And why start with trading software if your target audience is the everyman?

23:17:36 Blazedout419: http://i.imgur.com/leVpMnT.jpg

23:17:39 Blazedout419: thoughts?

23:17:49 dpb_reddit: I have worked at a financial investment group, and have started startups freelanding around - currently have a lot of free time and this is one of my serious projects.

23:18:16 kakobrekla: so, nothing with bitcoin?

23:18:30 dpb_reddit: The reason we are starting with the trading software is because if someone is new to bitcoins, we are providing the easiest, and best profiting bots out so far - our product is done, but we are looking for more developers and backtest feature

23:18:45 dpb_reddit: Yes, I know how to program, I am also currently creating my own coin as a project. I am involved in cryptos and trade on exchanges.

23:18:50 kakobrekla: i think _you_ are new to bitcoin.

23:19:04 dpb_reddit: I have also written my own bot, but the bots we are selling are created much more professionally than I can make

23:19:07 dpb_reddit: I am not new to bitcoins

23:19:34 dpb_reddit: If anyone is interestd, send an email to hr@cryptybots.com

23:20:17 kakobrekla: so, having some fx experience, i can tell you there just one kind of bots for sale on this planet. the ones that dont work.

23:20:42 dpb_reddit: I will tell you our bots work, and we have about 300 happy customers already.

23:20:53 dpb_reddit: Anyways, I am not here to explain myself, or prove anything, simply trying to hire for a good startup company.

23:21:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the chess example, or its life version with debt, etc. is really a play on 'hilbert's hotel'

23:21:38 BingoBoingo: dpb_reddit: Still, why not for example make a fork of Armory that isn't spyware or something, what is this with trading bots

23:21:49 asciilifeform: if you could actually move judgement day off by a day without limit, it'd work

23:22:04 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo thats not selling dreams.

23:22:11 dpb_reddit: What do you mean, BingoBingo?

23:22:30 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/499672700403458049

23:22:31 assbot: This is the Bitcoin Empire's Yasa: http://t.co/qlzNdC9vUi And these are its Lords: http://t.co/X7Ao31L38O

23:22:41 BingoBoingo: dpb_reddit: Like sell software that makes using and storing bitcoin a better experience

23:23:27 dpb_reddit: Well there are wallets, pretty easy to store bitcoins. Our bots will be very easy to use, interface is super clean.

23:24:03 BingoBoingo: dpb_reddit: But I mean why introduce risky trading bots as a first product to new users?

23:24:27 kakobrekla: its 100& guaranteed profit prolly.

23:25:09 dpb_reddit: They are not super risky. They profit very consistently. Of course I cannot guarantee 100% of the time, but it generally does profit well and gets your money back. Backtests can show this. Kakobrekla, please do not be disrespectful, I am being honest here.

23:25:29 kakobrekla: you are honestly not having a clue.

23:26:01 dpb_reddit: I am not going to argue with you. I know what I am doing.

23:26:17 kakobrekla: i do wat i want!

23:26:24 dpb_reddit: Okay, southpark

23:26:34 mike_c: it's actually honey boo-boo

23:26:42 kakobrekla: lol

23:26:45 dpb_reddit: hah

23:26:58 kakobrekla: !up Flerb

23:27:07 Flerb: Ah

23:27:10 Flerb: Thanks

23:27:12 kakobrekla: yw

23:27:21 dpb_reddit: So, is this webchat legitimate? Or do people just question the person trying to hire lol

23:27:33 kakobrekla: check the logs?

23:27:41 dpb_reddit: nah, asking the community

23:27:47 Flerb: dpb_reddit: yes. We guarantee 100% profit completely

23:28:02 dpb_reddit: Have a nice day everyone, I am done here.

23:28:10 Flerb: Well, we guarantee a very good profit rate

23:28:21 RagnarDanneskjol: @ dpb_reddit - I am a tech recruiter. send me a detailed job requisition to admin@bitrecruiter.com and I'll see what i can do to help

23:29:10 dpb_reddit: Thank you ragnar, I will PM you real quick. Everyone else here seems to like to make up things and make assumptions based off of nothing.

23:29:17 cazalla: dpb_reddit, why not keep it for yourself if it's so good?

23:29:32 BingoBoingo: !topic

23:29:42 BingoBoingo: ;;topic

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23:29:45 kakobrekla: because there is infinite liquidity on btc market cazalla doh

23:29:49 Flerb: Wait, is armory spyware?

23:29:57 RagnarDanneskjol: no - they are mostly right, you prolly have a lot to learn about all this stuff prior to launching a business, so consider this your hazing

23:30:06 mike_c: armory phones home with a hash of your home directory

23:30:08 BingoBoingo: Flerb: It leaks information

23:30:21 dpb_reddit: I know a lot about this. Why assume I know nothing?

23:30:24 Flerb: Oh as in the pinging to them of your is and uname?

23:30:26 dpb_reddit: But, whatever.

23:30:34 Flerb: *ip

23:30:41 BingoBoingo: Flerb: Yeah

23:30:43 RagnarDanneskjol: good place to start is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0

23:30:44 assbot: So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right?

23:30:46 mike_c: well, IP is inherent in the pinging :)

23:31:18 Flerb: They apologised I thought and said they are working on it

23:31:28 Flerb: But yeah, that was pretty stupid

23:31:29 dpb_reddit: I have seen that, very popular on bticointalk

23:31:47 Flerb: I've not seen bticointalk

23:31:49 BingoBoingo: Flerb: Still, it isn't the sort of thing people get to apologize for since... What else are they hiding

23:32:03 RagnarDanneskjol: mm k

23:32:05 mike_c: they aren't even hiding. their position is they have the right to track usage.

23:32:10 Flerb: Hmm

23:32:11 BingoBoingo: dpb_reddit: Well seems you haven't learned from that post

23:32:14 Flerb: Well

23:32:18 Flerb: It's open sourcw

23:32:28 Flerb: Isn't it!

23:32:29 Flerb: *?

23:33:18 dpb_reddit: Why? Because I tried to recruit smoeone on here

23:33:38 kakobrekla: noone wants to work with idiots.

23:33:49 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: let the permanent record permanently reflect the permanent fact that the economist is a piece of toilet paper upon which down syndrome patients scribble whatever shit happens through their head. << kablamm!

23:34:32 pete_dushenski: iirc it was dr. down who came up with the term "mongoloid"

23:34:54 pete_dushenski: kinda a slap to genghis and kublah but twas the style at the time

23:35:03 BingoBoingo: lol danielpbarron is now auto naming his referals in his links here from the forumtrolling

23:35:41 los_pantalones: that guy dpq was in and out quickly, huh?

23:36:15 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: except idiots

23:36:17 los_pantalones: was hoping to chat with that chap and see what he thinks he has

23:36:36 kakobrekla: retard or scammer. doesnt make a diff.

23:37:26 BingoBoingo: los_pantalones: He was refered here by a link danielpbarron left on reddit, who is to say who he actually is?

23:37:38 los_pantalones: indeed

23:37:43 BingoBoingo: Freenode webchat lets you name people by links

23:38:27 RagnarDanneskjol: doesnt matter to me - long as he has a recruitment budget, which I highly doubt

23:39:42 Flerb: Anyone here bought BTM?

23:40:47 decimation: http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/212001/Catapult_ISCA_2014.pdf << microserf implemented fpga co-processors for bing search, paper is mildly interesting

23:40:51 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: the chess example, or its life version with debt, etc. is really a play on 'hilbert's hotel' << so it is. for as long as the theoretical properties of aleph-cardinals hold in real sets, well... why not.

23:41:01 Flerb: So how do I get voiced in the future without pming someone?

23:41:02 decimation: it appears that altera is beating xilinix these days "on the street"

23:41:51 mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 uping spambots is not nice.

23:41:59 RagnarDanneskjol: on the strreet, yes, but any industrial embedded stuff is still xilinx

23:42:08 Blazedout419: spam bots?

23:42:20 RagnarDanneskjol: this was interesting to hear too http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/184828-intel-unveils-new-xeon-chip-with-integrated-fpga-touts-20x-performance-boost

23:42:20 assbot: Intel unveils new Xeon chip with integrated FPGA, touts 20x performance boost | ExtremeTech

23:42:44 mircea_popescu: the dpb thing above.

23:43:01 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I upped him, they followed a link here

23:43:14 mircea_popescu: Flerb http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/

23:43:16 assbot: #bitcoin-assets +m pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:43:16 Blazedout419: ^^ I was showing you guys my news coins

23:43:30 mircea_popescu: shit i misread my b's. sorry Blazedout419

23:43:34 BingoBoingo: From one of danielpbarron's forum links where he shows people the light and truth

23:44:09 BingoBoingo: His referrals get tagged with a dpb_SiteName username

23:44:55 mircea_popescu: o hey. now that'sfucking smart.

23:44:57 mircea_popescu: who came up wioth it ?

23:45:14 kakobrekla: only then for the light of truth to be extinguished by kako, upon tunnel entrance

23:45:50 mircea_popescu: <dpb_reddit> So, is this webchat legitimate? Or do people just question the person trying to hire lol << aka "herpyderp I know shit, and don't want to adjust. everyone else must adjust to my stupid head. or else i will say the bad thing!!!1"

23:45:52 mircea_popescu: fucking idiots.

23:46:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seems he did

23:47:28 mircea_popescu: <Flerb> I've not seen bticointalk << where you from then ?

23:48:25 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron the prepended dpb is actually fucking clever. how do you do it ? this must be a standard, ima put it on fraudsters too.

23:49:15 asciilifeform: !s xilinx

23:49:16 assbot: 19 results for 'xilinx' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=xilinx

23:49:47 asciilifeform: decimation: xilinx and altera both make tightly 'closed' chips, for reasons discussed in agonizing detail earlier

23:50:34 asciilifeform: altera is more or less the 'worst of all worlds' - considerably poorer gate density, shoddier linux toolchain support, and not really winning on price either

23:50:54 BingoBoingo: %ob

23:50:55 atcbot: 16k@250 2k@245 43k@225 | 185k@190 47k@188 37k@187

23:51:00 asciilifeform: so it was never entirely clear to me why it exists, other than the fact that it wants to and the bezzlatron decrees it

23:51:13 mircea_popescu: sounds like the perfect party to host a pretend-win media party.

23:51:16 mircea_popescu: on the street.

23:53:03 dignork: mircea_popescu: I tried to leave some fancy comment on fraudsters, but php told me I'm unhuman, how did it know?

23:53:28 mircea_popescu: dignork it looks for you to actually load the page, and not fill in too quickly.

23:53:33 BingoBoingo: dignork: Did you take to long to write it?

23:56:14 dignork: ah, yes, possibly i was idling on a page, but then i reloaded, and it still didn't like me

23:56:33 mircea_popescu: if you reloaded and instapasted that'd be why.

23:58:40 dignork: Oh well, it's actually a feature, made me to reevaluate the fanciness and give up :)