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00:06:53 artifexd: ;;ident

00:06:53 gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tlhhitiudhiqmdwu', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None

00:30:17 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

00:30:21 gribble: Current Blocks: 320391 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 152 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29489364129.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.51307

00:53:21 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Allen_Davis_incident

00:53:21 assbot: Raymond Allen Davis incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

00:58:49 TheNewDeal: ;;laserkitten

00:58:50 gribble: Error: "laserkitten" is not a valid command.

00:59:02 TheNewDeal: ;;lazerkitten

00:59:02 gribble: Error: "lazerkitten" is not a valid command.

00:59:05 TheNewDeal: !

00:59:13 asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampi%C3%A3o#mediaviewer/File:Degola_de_Lampi%C3%A3o_MB.jpg

00:59:13 assbot: Lampio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

00:59:43 TheNewDeal: ;;laser kittens

00:59:43 gribble: Error: "laser" is not a valid command.

01:00:48 TheNewDeal: ;;laserkittens

01:00:48 gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*

01:00:49 TheNewDeal: http://imgur.com/ljWYbSM

01:00:49 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

01:06:29 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the only noteworthy thing in all that is that the guy sung.

01:06:48 mircea_popescu: it stands in general, catch a cia guy, beat him up for a coupla days, he's going to spill it all.

01:07:36 BingoBoingo: Interesting

01:08:30 mircea_popescu: not really the sort of material one wants for that job, but then again who am i to judge.

01:09:42 asciilifeform: according to pediwikia, davis went on to illustrious career of public brawling.

01:11:04 mircea_popescu: well, what do you want. after the pakistani episode he's eminently downed jet material

01:11:18 mircea_popescu: only useful as fuel for some worf effect

01:11:35 asciilifeform: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8340999/Raymond-Davis-was-acting-head-of-CIA-in-Pakistan.html

01:11:36 assbot: Raymond Davis 'was acting head of CIA in Pakistan' - Telegraph

01:11:37 asciilifeform: ^ linked

01:11:57 mircea_popescu: clueless people. there isn't one head.

01:12:02 asciilifeform: station chief

01:12:25 mircea_popescu: not even, think about it.

01:12:26 asciilifeform: (in russian parlace, 'resident')

01:13:03 asciilifeform: for all i know, he was station dogcatcher. the claim is that he was chief.

01:14:30 mircea_popescu: well, he was worth 2.5mn in payola, that's one thing.

01:14:39 asciilifeform: right.

01:15:07 asciilifeform: though, what's 2.5m bezzlars to these folks.

01:15:29 asciilifeform: they regularly lose far larger parcels, in the form of crates of benjamins, 'by accident'

01:15:36 mircea_popescu: well, yeah, but see the difference

01:15:39 asciilifeform: (see the several documented instances in iraq, etc.)

01:15:43 mircea_popescu: the lost ones go to academi, not to some pakistani

01:18:35 mircea_popescu: "Types of payment We currently only accept MasterCard, Visa, and American Express credit cards for payment."

01:18:45 mircea_popescu: congratulations on living in 1980 over there. o.O

01:18:54 asciilifeform: lol! who /

01:18:55 asciilifeform: ?

01:18:58 asciilifeform: blackwater ?

01:19:33 mircea_popescu: nah the derpy ad server that puts all those idiotic "related stories" on shitty msm websites

01:19:43 mircea_popescu: the "you will not believe what this mom did" crapola.

01:20:06 mircea_popescu: i wonder if i'm the only person that will shitlist a company for that reason.

01:20:19 asciilifeform: for not taking btc ?

01:20:30 mircea_popescu: i mean, no bitcoin i can see, but credit cards aren't happening.

01:20:52 asciilifeform: most folks will take wire, but you have to ask.

01:21:37 mircea_popescu: i only ask after about a year or so of exceptional service.

01:22:30 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "Types of payment We currently only accept MasterCard, Visa, and American Express credit cards for payment." << You have to realize "credit card" now is often used to refer to the various prepaid arrangements of dubious value

01:22:56 mircea_popescu: even so.

01:36:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: taking anything other than 'plastic', in bezzland, typically requires human labour.

01:37:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but if you mail in, via postal pigeon, a cheque for 1mil, they'll probably take it.

01:41:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00076263 = 2.9743 BTC [+]

01:57:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60800 @ 0.00076146 = 46.2968 BTC [-] {2}

02:03:43 BingoBoingo: !up pgp

02:06:09 BingoBoingo: !up DreadKnight

02:13:28 BingoBoingo: Dude can't take the nexy step https://chronicle.com/article/You-Dont-Need-a-Search-Firm/148525/

02:13:29 assbot: You Don't Need a Search Firm to Hire a President - Commentary - The Chronicle of Higher Education

02:14:49 asciilifeform: https://chronicle.com/article/On-Campus-Grenade-Launchers/148749 << that tank was actually where claimed, i went in.

02:14:50 assbot: On Campus, Grenade Launchers, M-16s, and Armored Vehicles - Government - The Chronicle of Higher Education

02:16:19 asciilifeform: u. of md. used to have another one, kept in the car impound lot. but it must have broken down, was sold.

02:16:55 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Across Universities in the US, the biggest difference I've noticed is the hardware they keep for their "security"

02:18:00 BingoBoingo: Mizzou for example was perfectly happy to let the city of Columbia pay for and hoard the heavy stuff.

02:18:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: u. of md. is not in the boundaries of any serious city (city of college park is a very small and threadbare thing)

02:18:52 BingoBoingo: Columbia's "Occupy" group camped withing a football field or two of the City Football field

02:19:14 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No "serious" college is in a "serious" city

02:21:07 mircea_popescu: nyu ?

02:21:21 BingoBoingo: Not "serious"

02:22:19 BingoBoingo: Serious include beautiful things like research reactors

02:22:24 mircea_popescu: does your seriosity criteria beg the question ?

02:22:49 mircea_popescu: if a 3bn endowment is not serious you got problmz.

02:23:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we had reactors. we also had ~30,000 students, of whom perhaps 100 had any 'serious' reason for being there.

02:23:21 asciilifeform: so, 'serious' or no ?

02:23:28 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This seriosity criteria is not my own, merely repeating the the 'Murican criteria

02:23:42 BingoBoingo: Serious Campuses exist in half assed cities

02:24:02 mircea_popescu: how's nyu not serious get outta here.

02:24:17 BingoBoingo: Who were located where they were to try to kickstart serious cities in locations people don't want to settle.

02:24:19 mircea_popescu: !up bitstein

02:25:12 BingoBoingo: It's the crieria by which UIUC is serious and University of Illinois Chicago is Community College++

02:25:39 mircea_popescu: specifically ?

02:26:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29993 @ 0.00076334 = 22.8949 BTC [+]

02:26:21 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the American view, as I understand it... Serious schools are the ones that dominate their local geography

02:26:39 mircea_popescu: so then you were begging the question :D

02:27:09 BingoBoingo: Pinacle of this is Ohio State University located in God only knows where.

02:27:29 mircea_popescu: i hear they refurbished some containers.

02:29:17 BingoBoingo: Well, of fucking course I'm begging the Question, because this is how 'Murica picks which schools are serious

02:30:19 mircea_popescu: a ok

02:30:35 BingoBoingo: 'Murica does nothing well if not Begging the Question

02:30:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when you said 'serious,' i assumed you meant the factories where the bezzlords merit-wash their spawn

02:31:29 asciilifeform: i.e. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2014#814500

02:31:30 assbot: Logged on 29-08-2014 04:53:06; asciilifeform: church's version is more like 'you go to harvard if you're the billionaire's son and need to be merit-washed before being awarded your crown grant - or if you're an idiot, took bait, had parents with good credit'

02:31:58 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, I mean the ones where the Bezzel lords merit wash their careers after losing elections

02:32:18 BingoBoingo: ;;google Glenn Poshard

02:32:18 gribble: Glenn Poshard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Poshard; Biography of SIU President Randy Dunn - Southern Illinois University: http://southernillinois.edu/pres/biography.html; Glenn Poshard's final day - The Daily Egyptian: http://dailyegyptian.com/glenn-poshards-final-day/

02:33:00 bitstein: ;;later tell benkay I finally wrote the scammer article. http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/everyones-a-scammer/

02:33:02 assbot: Everyone's a Scammer | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute

02:33:02 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:35:47 BingoBoingo: Then there's Columbia, Missouri which is Missouri's Third City and boasts one of the United State's highest per capita concentrations of persons with Graduate degrees despite being located in Missouri. The reason for this being the University, a couple other colleges, and so many fucking hospitals.

02:36:17 BingoBoingo: But Most US states have at least one Columbia.

02:37:01 BingoBoingo: Next door in Kansas there's Manhattan with a Univeristy and well... who knows really what their bio department does.

02:41:42 mircea_popescu: "Douban.com is a multi-products web platform which generated based on life-and-culture oriented ... Morecontents by users"

02:43:38 BingoBoingo: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?sche=dongxi&id=22327319935&spm=2014.21481949.1.0 << Why I'm rooting for Spanish to win the language war. I can deal with a Latin alphabet.

02:45:24 BingoBoingo: I mean the vowel shift pretty much eliminated any English's chance of winning the language war.

02:50:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2577 @ 0.00076196 = 1.9636 BTC [-] {2}

02:51:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6423 @ 0.00075778 = 4.8672 BTC [-]

02:55:31 BingoBoingo: Oh, the US really did kill non-BTC irreversible-ish payments

02:55:51 asciilifeform: 'spam-pals' ?

02:56:06 *: asciilifeform was perplexed that they lived as long as they did

02:57:57 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The Greendot moneypaks are done, Vanilla reloads look almost done.

02:58:22 asciilifeform: greendot << homeland severity compliant, long before its demise

02:58:39 asciilifeform: like all the retail 'preload' cards.

03:00:08 BingoBoingo: Well Irony is that Law enforcement visit to my doorstep was for cashing BTC out to those back in the day. The fucking card the load to is regitered with SSN and all that leading toward their boredom as described in blog post.

03:01:42 asciilifeform: lol-enforcement.

03:01:47 BingoBoingo: Indeed

03:04:26 BingoBoingo: How can the fight the daemons Satoshi unleashed when they can't fight the ones they grew themselves

03:04:50 asciilifeform: no 'fight' in the latter case

03:04:56 asciilifeform: spamcoins exist at the crown's pleasure.

03:05:08 asciilifeform: for purposes that are not hard to guess.

03:06:58 BingoBoingo: Oh, but the ATF's Fast and Furious was a thing, and ISIS is apparently now the biggest thing.

03:08:18 BingoBoingo: These things may exist at the Crown's pleasure, but they rarely end before they produce quite the vexation to the crown.

03:09:06 asciilifeform: usually end because stoolie in charge breaks the understanding.

03:10:15 asciilifeform: e.g., 'log all the palmprints' means -all-, not merely the ones which didn't come with benjamins. or, alternatively - means all but the district attorney's, when he buys his dope.

03:11:52 BingoBoingo: The worst part of this misdemeanor thing is that Illinois has a solid collection of my fingerprints

03:11:59 decimation: look at the 'egold' story

03:12:17 BingoBoingo: egold was a stupid structure pretending to permanence

03:12:39 BingoBoingo: !up The20YearIRCloud

03:12:46 The20YearIRCloud: thx

03:12:52 The20YearIRCloud: What'd you get charged with BingoBoingo ?

03:13:19 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: I've still got last year's misdemeanor. Feds haven't presented any charges

03:13:43 The20YearIRCloud: bitcoin related due to exchanging money for people?

03:13:52 decimation: http://online.wsj.com/articles/infineon-to-buy-international-rectifier-for-3-billion-1408552155 << Infineon paid only $3bn for International Rectifier, which mints $1bn worth of industrial silicon parts per annum - less than what Google paid for Nest

03:13:53 assbot: Infineon to Buy International Rectifier for $3 Billion - WSJ

03:14:23 The20YearIRCloud: industrial companies are cheap compared to these idiotic tech startups

03:14:23 asciilifeform: phun phact: infineon makes the 'fritz chip.'

03:14:27 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: No, disorderly conduct, because allegedly I engaged in political speech

03:14:39 The20YearIRCloud: how?

03:14:56 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Because White people are a bunch of fucking Niggers

03:15:10 decimation: 'fritz chip'?

03:15:12 The20YearIRCloud: are you not of the caucasion persuasion?

03:15:25 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: I'm pale, but not Anglo

03:15:27 asciilifeform: ;;google fritz chip

03:15:28 gribble: Fritz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz; Has your computer got the "Fritz chip"? [Archive] - Ubuntu Forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1020851.html; Microsoft's Palladium and the "Fritz Chip" - Free Republic:

03:15:34 decimation: infineon was a Siemens spinoff, a successful one at that

03:15:39 asciilifeform: renamed... 7? times now

03:16:18 The20YearIRCloud: I've been looking into investment options once we get our 506c and it's crazy how much money is being thrown at 1st and 2nd stage tech startups, then someone brings forward a really, really good real estate deal and they take forever to fund

03:16:21 decimation: heh oh that's the 'tpm' module lol

03:16:36 decimation: asciilifeform: usg wants secure boot

03:16:38 asciilifeform: decimation: expect it'll be called something else in a year or three.

03:16:45 The20YearIRCloud: One of our investors pointed out a extraordinarily large funding round that went through for a 1050+ unit buy here in Central Ohio, the financial metrics were absolutely fantastic

03:16:48 decimation: 'clipper'

03:17:06 The20YearIRCloud: But it took quite some time for them to raise the cash, and they had to bring an extremely large commercial lender in

03:17:27 asciilifeform: usg wants ponies. microshit wants pc that behaves like game console.

03:17:42 The20YearIRCloud: and what do you want?

03:17:49 decimation: asciilifeform: obviously not to ensure the privacy of the end-user

03:18:18 asciilifeform: what do you want << glass of water.

03:18:26 *: asciilifeform drinks it

03:19:33 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> The20YearIRCloud: I'm pale, but not Anglo << what, srsly ?!

03:19:47 asciilifeform: 'even entire free operating systems... ...existed around the turn of the century. But not only were they illegal, like debuggers?you could not install one if you had one, without knowing your computer's root password. And neither the FBI nor Microsoft Support would tell you that.'

03:19:55 The20YearIRCloud: Plenty of pale japanese people, or white mexican/latino

03:19:58 asciilifeform: (stallman. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html)

03:19:58 assbot: 404 - Page Not Found- GNU Project - Free Software Foundation

03:20:56 decimation: asciilifeform: it's the State's dream - and the manufacturers want the lock-in

03:21:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00075708 = 17.2993 BTC [-] {3}

03:21:18 asciilifeform: decimation: approximately everyone who gives half a damn knows the 'why.'

03:21:24 asciilifeform: the more interesting question is the 'how'

03:21:27 decimation: all that remains is the problem of carefully herding the sheeple through the right gates

03:21:34 asciilifeform: specifically, the mechanics of the frog-boiling process

03:21:45 asciilifeform: what heat source, and why so apparently slowly

03:21:49 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Continental Descent.

03:22:00 mircea_popescu: imo you all err in presuming people are equal.

03:22:11 mircea_popescu: what will happen here is that the "frog" will spontaneously separate.

03:22:22 mircea_popescu: most of the mass will boil, but is worthless boiled or not.

03:22:50 asciilifeform: nintendo for the lumpen, lisp machine for man ?

03:22:54 asciilifeform: (or similar)

03:23:17 asciilifeform: the former - is proceeding on schedule.

03:23:20 asciilifeform: as for the latter...

03:23:25 decimation: for the moment, shenzhen has no use for any dreamer's lock-in

03:25:52 *: asciilifeform unhappily reminds mircea_popescu that small-scale Si foundry work makes U-235 look cheap.

03:26:17 decimation: it looks cheap to google!

03:26:18 mircea_popescu: this is like reminding me that a cd press is expensive.

03:26:25 mircea_popescu: AS IF it takes more than marker to defeat sony

03:26:41 mircea_popescu: let's not get ahead of ourselves. boiled frogs brains ain't magically working just because wearing an evil cape.

03:27:21 mircea_popescu: the difference between better and worse is not arbitrary. it's real. this then flows right into all the pots.

03:28:38 *: asciilifeform expects that proles will eventually be issued with graphical terminals, just like everybody used to expect and then, for some reason, stopped

03:28:52 mircea_popescu: better usability anyway.

03:28:53 *: BingoBoingo snacks on Chicken gizzards, seasoned with anchovie, fried in lard. That includes at least a member of each major class of warm blooded critter endemic today, right.

03:29:04 decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/09/ask-peter-thiel-anything/ << "Is Palantir a front for the CIA? No, the CIA is a front for Palantir." "I don’t agree with the libertarian description of the NSA as “big brother.” I think Snowden revealed something that looks more like the Keystone Kops and very little like James Bond."

03:29:05 assbot: Ask Peter Thiel Anything « Isegoria

03:30:00 asciilifeform: graphical terminals for proles, while having an actual computer in your possession will be seen as rather like owning, e.g., a Kugelrohr.

03:30:16 mircea_popescu: or runnin linux

03:30:34 asciilifeform: owning a kugelrohr in present-day usa.

03:31:18 decimation: asciilifeform: but you can make 10 ml of ethanol for personal use. usg is generous!

03:32:16 asciilifeform: there's 'law' and there's law, the actual.

03:32:33 asciilifeform: as in, who gets the 3am broken door and barrel in his mouth, and who doesn't

03:33:42 BingoBoingo: So... USG and Libtards seem to have officially declared war on Running Backs: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/12/minnesota_vikings_running_back_adrian_peterson_reportedly_indicted_for_child.html

03:33:43 assbot: Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson reportedly indicted for child abuse in Texas.

03:34:00 asciilifeform: (for an expensive but lively lesson in 'law' and law, purchase, e.g., a pill press.)

03:34:37 decimation: but you are making your own herbal remedies? what would usg have to say on the subject?

03:35:00 asciilifeform: usg will bust first, dekulakize second, and ask questions - third.

03:35:19 BingoBoingo: decimation: They can find whatever esoteric paraphenenial in your tablets.

03:35:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no need. be shot instead, 'resisting arrest'

03:36:31 mircea_popescu: eh you're overdramatizing

03:36:39 BingoBoingo: Best defense is against US police seems to be not any fortress, but the threat of unknown cameras

03:36:49 asciilifeform: a 'classroom' example necessarily overdramatizes.

03:37:07 mircea_popescu: but yes, web streaming cameras are a pretty good repellant

03:37:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: first thing they do is destroy all comms. this dates back to at least 'waco' incident.

03:37:44 mircea_popescu: "all coms" is not something that can be destroyed.

03:37:44 BingoBoingo: Which is why you don't use live web cameras.

03:37:58 BingoBoingo: Cameras summinicating offsite sure.

03:38:10 asciilifeform: afaik, they don't run a gigantic spark gap jammer during a bust - yet.

03:38:10 BingoBoingo: cameras live to somewhere sure.

03:38:28 asciilifeform: but any kind of uplink a 'plebe' can get hold of at reasonable expense - yes, jammed.

03:38:32 asciilifeform: if not today - tomorrow.

03:38:49 asciilifeform: (among the surplus 'iraq gear' discussed earlier - certainly, jammers.)

03:39:12 mircea_popescu: eh get out, you hve to get a special permit for that.

03:39:20 asciilifeform: cameras on site - found, confiscated (found how? nonlinear junction detector.)

03:39:36 mircea_popescu: dude for crying out loud. you think there's five cops that know how to use one ?

03:39:42 asciilifeform: and if not found - who will retrieve it from sealed dwelling?

03:39:47 asciilifeform: dog?

03:40:00 BingoBoingo: Indeed dog.

03:40:11 asciilifeform: who will be permitted near it, without minders.

03:40:15 BingoBoingo: Because "Hello this is"

03:41:06 mircea_popescu: dudes rutinely break down the wrong door they're too dumb/high/clueless

03:41:16 mircea_popescu: and you're here derping about jamming wifi.

03:41:39 decimation: yeah I'm with mircea on this one, see the "keystone kops" above

03:41:48 asciilifeform: 'your Honour, i've a hidden camera in my toilet tank, it filmed the hextuple-orifice motorized police rape of my person.' judge: 'court orders that Sgt. Coquthrobb retrieve evidence...'

03:42:27 mircea_popescu: "my gopro's been filming you all along. you're a youtube sensation now, congrats."

03:42:32 asciilifeform: instead of camera, 10kg of cocaine are brought.

03:42:42 asciilifeform: 'found in toilet and in defendant's shoes'

03:44:00 BingoBoingo: Who was it? Appelbaum? Who caught some invader in his apartment on his 4th surveillance system after the first 3 were incapacitated.

03:45:12 decimation: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/american-shakedown-police-won-t-charge-you-but-they-ll-grab-your-money-1.2760736

03:45:13 assbot: American shakedown: Police won't charge you, but they'll grab your money - World - CBC News

03:45:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17357 @ 0.00076359 = 13.2536 BTC [+] {2}

03:46:53 BingoBoingo: Anyways http://www.chesscorner.com/games/deepblue/dblue3.htm

03:46:53 assbot: Chess Corner - Kasparov vs Deep Blue Game 3

03:54:53 decimation: !up The20YearIRCloud

03:57:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i bet the fellow who ended up in the famous bathtub duffel bag - had 17 systems, of which 15 failed. the remaining two, say? one at the bottom of the Thames, perhaps. one was built into his towel hanger and thrown out by landlord - blood wouldn't come off. (imagine.)

03:58:04 BingoBoingo: At least one must have worked. They didn't come back to take him out of the bag to normalize the sceen.

04:01:22 decimation: asciilifeform: but appelbaum has made himself interesting very publicly - your corner bobby could care less about someone like him

04:02:57 BingoBoingo: decimation: Appelbaum wasn't in the UK though, but in the proto-USA

04:06:09 BingoBoingo: Of course the huy who zipped himself in had consented earlier in life to be a part of that apparatus and "quit"

04:06:55 asciilifeform: corner bobby doesn't zip bags, no.

04:08:02 asciilifeform: but a u.s. subject can die of lightning and car wreck a dozen times before getting 'accidentally policed' to death.

04:08:48 asciilifeform: the nice thing about being a hardened paranoiac is that you are effectively immune to accidental death...

04:08:51 asciilifeform: at least, in head.

04:09:09 mircea_popescu: doesn't work that way.

04:09:13 asciilifeform: boulder falls on my head, i know what last thought i'll think!

04:09:35 mircea_popescu: worrywarts aren't immune to negative events, nor hypochondriacs to disease, nor paranoids to accidents.

04:09:43 decimation: many die every year in Colorado climbing mountains - from lightning

04:09:46 mircea_popescu: they just have stiffer, less efficacious responses

04:10:24 decimation: http://www.weather.com/news/lightning-strike-injuries-death-rocky-mountain-national-park-20140712

04:12:51 decimation: looks like the promised geomagnetic storm was mostly a dud: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/

04:21:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00075639 = 19.2879 BTC [-] {2}

04:23:51 decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2014/09/12/patent-office-whistleblower-managers-have-no-idea-when-their-employees-are-working/ << what usg gets from its employees

04:23:51 assbot: Patent office whistleblower: ‘Managers have no idea when their employees are working’ - The Washington Post

04:32:22 asciilifeform: the patent office thing is a crock of shit.

04:32:35 asciilifeform: they have production quotas.

04:33:03 asciilifeform: (rather harsh ones, which is one reason for the famously poor quality of the judgements)

04:34:29 asciilifeform: 'The examiner alerted a supervisor about the fraud, but ?he says he cannot do anything as long as she meets her production,? the whistleblower wrote.' << how this is a problem ?

04:38:32 asciilifeform: paranoids to accidents << not actually immune. just die happy.

04:41:52 asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes your blog has been pwned? turned to spam for 'feedyes.com'.

04:41:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:48:54 decimation: asciilifeform: "crock of shit" << are you saying that the 'whistleblowers' are lying?

04:49:22 asciilifeform: 'lying' is too charitable a word.

04:49:37 asciilifeform: implies (apologies to orwell) some actual relationship (if inverted) with fact.

04:50:25 decimation: the 'blog' (is a blog post from wapo like a 'story lite'?) makes it seem like no one at the patent office has a relationship with reality

04:51:14 asciilifeform: let's assume that each and every allegation in the piece - is true.

04:51:44 asciilifeform: patent office specifically proclaims that employees are retained & promoted based on piecework (their term, 'production')

04:52:30 decimation: right, but they could walk in, hit 'approve' on all thier 'production', and go home for the day?

04:53:14 asciilifeform: could, yes. and then overruled on appeal. (very embarrassing, if not career-ending event, for patent judge)

04:54:19 asciilifeform: likewise, a junior (less than x years, forget what x) official cannot pronounce judgement, he only forwards a recommendation 'approve/deny' to senior gruppenfuhrer.

04:54:41 *: asciilifeform knows more than he wants about the u.s. patent office

05:00:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15672 @ 0.00075505 = 11.8331 BTC [-]

05:06:43 decimation: asciilifeform: have you experimented with the intel 'rdrand' instruction?

05:07:36 asciilifeform: decimation: nope.

05:07:45 asciilifeform: what kind of experiment do you have in mind?

05:07:51 asciilifeform: intel cpu is not exactly a rarity.

05:08:12 decimation: no I'm going to play with it, just wondered what you had discovered

05:08:29 decimation: I was planning on using it as a noise generator (uniform -> gaussian)

05:08:38 asciilifeform: decimation: don't expect to discover anything useful from the output.

05:09:21 decimation: as long as there are no pathological correlations it will be fine for my purposes (anything that looks strange on a very large fft for instance)

05:13:16 Vexual: a bit of the `ol "in-out" huh?

06:05:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00075263 = 13.7355 BTC [-] {3}

06:12:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1470 @ 0.00054801 = 0.8056 BTC [-] {9}

07:08:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 1851 @ 0.00060001 = 1.1106 BTC [+] {4}

07:11:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 3017 @ 0.00066021 = 1.9919 BTC [+] {2}

07:12:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.19817665 = 1.7836 BTC [+] {6}

07:33:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20735549 = 0.8294 BTC [+] {3}

08:49:37 RagnarDanneskjol: http://online.wsj.com/articles/teraexchange-launches-bitcoin-derivatives-exchange-1410543989

08:49:38 assbot: TeraExchange Unveils First U.S.-Regulated Bitcoin Swaps Exchange - WSJ

09:04:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 70 @ 0.20777999 = 14.5446 BTC [+] {4}

09:48:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 401500 @ 0.00076056 = 305.3648 BTC [+] {35}

09:57:31 jurov: ^^ wut?

10:05:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104600 @ 0.00076153 = 79.656 BTC [+] {4}

10:10:52 FabianB: $vwap s.mpoe

10:11:38 empyex: FabianB: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00076076 high: 0.00076422 low: 0.00075236 volume: 708190 btc: 538.76064545 7 day: average: 0.00072961 high: 0.00080211 low: 0.00059659 volume: 3849676 btc: 2808.78002898 30 day: average: 0.0007341 high: 0.00086605 low: 0.00059659 volume: 16651300 btc: 12223.78442068

10:52:01 punkman: https://underhandedcrypto.com/rules/

10:52:02 assbot: Rules | Underhanded Crypto Contest

10:59:09 punkman: !up mats_cd03

11:07:44 RagnarDanneskjol: underhand contest - very cool

11:27:48 punkman: herp derp http://www.wifikettle.com/

11:27:49 assbot: Smarter - wifikettle

11:28:29 RagnarDanneskjol: oh gawd

11:28:44 punkman: it has features and an app and even a customer support hotline

11:41:28 punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/09/10/i-am-a-14-year-old-yazidi-girl-given-as-a-gift-to-an-isis-commander-heres-how-i-escaped/

11:41:28 assbot: I am a 14-year-old Yazidi girl given as a gift to an ISIS commander. Heres how I escaped. - The Washington Post

11:44:32 punkman: just broke a lock and walked out with a niqab

11:44:59 punkman: http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/africa/2014/09/11/Tunisian-niqab-wearing-election-nominee-spurs-debate.html

11:49:21 punkman: !up mats_cd03

11:49:32 mats_cd03: decimation: https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo03.pdf re: hooking rdrand to backdoor /dev/urandom on 3.12.8

11:50:01 punkman: mats_cd03: did you lose your key again?

11:50:09 mats_cd03: PoC || GTFO is an incredible zine if you're not already reading it

11:50:48 mats_cd03: maybe

11:51:19 mats_cd03: !search pocorgtfo

11:51:20 assbot: 1 results for 'pocorgtfo' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=pocorgtfo

11:51:41 punkman: surprise!

11:52:28 mats_cd03: also discovered dis enhanced man page web thinger (im a nix scrub): explainshell.com

11:53:02 punkman: I was looking at corkami's stuff the other day https://code.google.com/p/corkami/

11:53:03 assbot: corkami - Reverse engineering & visual documentations - Google Project Hosting

11:53:24 mats_cd03: ya corkami is the bees knees

11:58:12 mats_cd03: fun fact: a piece of lenovo windows crapware downloads an xml file over http then downloads and executes windows platform-specific binary.

11:58:43 punkman: which one?

12:03:29 mats_cd03: thinkvantage system update

12:04:24 punkman: oh I've never installed that

12:05:14 mats_cd03: and lenovo support center i think

12:05:50 mats_cd03: er solution center

12:11:33 mats_cd03: http://joshuawise.com/projects/ndfslave

12:11:34 assbot: Reverse Engineering a NAND Flash Device Management Algorithm | Joshua Wise's domain

12:47:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128150 @ 0.00075374 = 96.5918 BTC [-] {7}

13:10:33 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

13:10:36 gribble: Current Blocks: 320493 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 50 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 3 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29793225340.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.6209

13:11:03 mircea_popescu: heh it picked up huh

13:12:12 mircea_popescu: $proxies

13:12:13 empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91

13:13:47 mircea_popescu: so, mpex.ws is being ddosed, the rest are ok. thank you for flying or what was it.

13:14:35 empyex: mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (error), mpex.bz (1490 milliseconds), mpex.co (790 milliseconds), mpex.biz (800 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (10844 milliseconds)

13:15:02 mircea_popescu: bitbet is also under ddos. kako is working on it.

13:19:05 empyex: mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: ✗ MK Depth JSON: ✗ VWAP JSON: ✗

13:19:29 mircea_popescu: FabianB lemme guess, the health indicators don't roll over ?

13:19:41 FabianB: hm. guess i need to improve the fallback

13:21:24 mircea_popescu: how much does ddos cost anymore anyway ? per gb per minute or something ?

13:23:50 mircea_popescu: https://btc.waroflife.com/ http://minigame.bz/ etc still online also, so i guess maybe it's just coincidence.

13:23:51 assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!

13:24:13 mircea_popescu: tho one hell of a coincidence, it practically started the same minute.

14:43:02 mircea_popescu: aaactually... once the deeds bot comes online, it can work as a gribble substitute.

14:43:03 gribble: if you can control the irc server sure, you can mitm all responses and modify them en route, etc.

14:43:14 gribble: also, someone voice nanotube :)

14:43:18 mircea_popescu: !up nanotube

14:43:31 nanotube: ah assbot just came back heh

14:43:32 mircea_popescu: nanotube would you consider melding the bitcoin-assets deeds registrar into wot ?

14:43:57 nanotube: what's this bitcoin assets deeds registrar?

14:44:15 mircea_popescu: nanotube it's a bot being written that will take gpog signed stuff, serialize it, hash it, insert the hash in the blockchain

14:44:20 mircea_popescu: and publish on a website as well.

14:44:26 mircea_popescu: basically this can be used to issue signed ratings.

14:44:50 mircea_popescu: so if you're willing to work with it, we can have a special ratings protocol. they're a lot more solid than gribble's.

14:45:11 nanotube: how much extra spam will this cause in the blockchain?

14:45:19 mircea_popescu: 64 bytes per hour at most.

14:45:41 nanotube: ah so things get aggregated, cool

14:45:44 mircea_popescu: yes.

14:46:10 mircea_popescu: the advantage being that since one needs the whole bundle to verify the blockchain hash, everyone in the bundle has a vested interest to preserve the whole bundle

14:46:32 RagnarDanneskjol: nano - I contacted you about helping build it a coupl months back. i think it Might be done this weekend

14:46:43 mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not even spam, it's one extra tx every six blocks on average at the most.

14:47:00 nanotube: sounds interesting

14:47:12 mircea_popescu: and yes im aware english doesn't like "on average at most" but it's actually correct logically. har har.

14:47:31 nanotube: hehe

14:47:42 mircea_popescu: anyway ping you for tests once this thing is delivered ?

14:47:59 nanotube: sure!

14:48:17 mircea_popescu: here's how idiots change the world : they do stupid shit which makes smart people get off their arse.

14:48:23 mircea_popescu: ty nsa. you make the world better for democracy.

14:49:16 RagnarDanneskjol: http://pastebin.com/6m4Xf7Gw

14:49:17 assbot: b-a deeds registrar - Pastebin.com

14:50:58 nanotube: RagnarDanneskjol: yea i remember :)

14:51:15 RagnarDanneskjol: k

14:51:36 asciilifeform: nanotube - original author of this entire orchestra ?

14:52:17 mircea_popescu: he implemented gribble and the wot

14:52:27 *: asciilifeform takes off hat.

14:52:49 mircea_popescu: which implementation is a large portion of why im here in the first place. if it hadn;'t existed it's unlikely vragnaroda'd have had what to seduce me with

14:53:10 nanotube: RagnarDanneskjol: who gets to send the 0.0001 btc, such that they don't mind someone else getting it (whoever fastest at getting out the spend tx?)

14:53:21 nanotube: asciilifeform: :)

14:53:25 RagnarDanneskjol: yup i suppose

14:53:29 mircea_popescu: nanotube autofaucet.

14:53:33 mircea_popescu: by design.

14:53:36 RagnarDanneskjol: oh that too

14:54:38 RagnarDanneskjol: its mp's spec, not mine. I dum

14:54:44 mircea_popescu: oh, you were asking who. i am seeding it, after which if we run it by donation we run it by donation, or else users will have to pay.

14:55:08 mircea_popescu: justusranvier favours the later approach :)

15:07:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the patent office thing is a crock of shit. << you know i wonder why the press is moving against the uspto.

15:08:13 mircea_popescu: i mean it's quite clearly by the book libtard orchestrated nonsense. cui bono ?!

15:08:31 mircea_popescu: don't tell me the plan is to throw out ip or something.

15:09:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: could, yes. and then overruled on appeal. (very embarrassing, if not career-ending event, for patent judge) << this works if the event is rare. if the event is common, it stops working. consider :

15:10:26 mircea_popescu: "woman could just go outdoors naked ?" "could, yes, but gangrape" sure. except if they all do, because no rapists, gang or otherwise, can keep up with women if it comes to the biology of it, which is how it's designed. and so...

15:10:31 mircea_popescu: mores change.

15:17:27 nanotube: mircea_popescu: ah i see. well, at .0001 btc per tx, 1btc will last for a while. you could also just not reveal the data packet until you take the btc back out.

15:17:34 nanotube: then, no expense

15:17:38 mircea_popescu: let it be an expense.

15:18:06 mircea_popescu: nature doesn't stink and factories all do because nature allows things to be expenses and industry does not.

15:18:32 nanotube: oh nature stinks plenty. ever been around a corpse? :)

15:18:39 mircea_popescu: who knows what comes out of the ecosystem built around this undersea volcano of satoshis

15:19:02 mircea_popescu: jesus you're all too smart to argue with, what is this! counterexamples and shit :D

15:19:57 nanotube: lol

15:20:43 mircea_popescu: anyway, s/stink/stink(metaphorical)/ and i'm out.

15:20:48 nanotube: nature does take care of its own stinks though. :)

15:21:27 mircea_popescu: not deliberately :D

15:22:46 nanotube: heh sure because 'nature' doesn't have volition to do anything 'deliberately' :)

15:31:07 mircea_popescu: !up couragewolf

15:32:30 *: asciilifeform still favours his demented 'telegraph' algo.

15:33:43 mircea_popescu: why ?

15:33:52 asciilifeform: serverless

15:34:17 mircea_popescu: listen, do you agree making things "so easy to use even an idiot could use them" is bad policy ?

15:34:26 asciilifeform: easy fix. don't publish the client.

15:34:27 asciilifeform: only algo.

15:34:37 asciilifeform: (the latter - already published...)

15:34:45 mircea_popescu: not the point here tho.

15:34:49 asciilifeform: who wants - writes own, a dozen lines of $lang, and connects.

15:35:02 mircea_popescu: in those terms, your telegraph already exists.

15:35:07 asciilifeform: sure does.

15:35:14 mircea_popescu: well so then of course it can't be made.

15:35:35 mircea_popescu: by this measure, bitcoin also already existed, in 2004.

15:35:45 mircea_popescu: so there's something wrong with this easy fix

15:35:53 *: asciilifeform might speak into telegraph, and let it be known, see who answers - but is otherwise occupied at present.

15:36:10 mircea_popescu: really, the problem is its context, it's too metaphysical. you're not supposed to solve practical problems that way.,

15:36:29 mircea_popescu: now, getting back : serverless is not an advantage, it's a disadvantage.

15:36:45 mircea_popescu: people should be involved, and their involvement required, or otherwise shit happens.

15:37:14 asciilifeform: there is exactly one human necessary in the loop (as proposed)

15:37:32 asciilifeform: the fellow with the privkey to throw back the coins to originators

15:37:44 asciilifeform: anyone who 'comes with a sword' - doesn't get his back. that simple.

15:38:16 mircea_popescu: mebbe

15:38:30 jurov: "serverless" means "everyone has to be a server"

15:38:52 asciilifeform: everyone who is running a node, yes.

15:39:16 asciilifeform: (ordinary btc node)

15:42:19 mircea_popescu: There once was a pore honest sailor, a heavy drinker, a hell of a cuss, a rowster, a boozer, and the drink finally sent him to hospital, and they operated, and there was a poor whore in the woman?s ward had a kid, while they were fixing the sailor, and they brought him the kid when he came to, and said : ?Here! this is what we took out of you.?

15:43:22 asciilifeform: lol!

15:43:58 mircea_popescu: it occurs to me ezra pound would make fine reading for b-a. he hated the banks.

15:44:06 mircea_popescu: course he hated the banks cause he hated the jews, but hey.

15:45:01 jurov: btw, how would the blockchain telegraph deal with XX btc transactions/second limit? #b-a woud break it often

15:45:13 mircea_popescu: it's supposed not to work

15:45:31 asciilifeform: jurov: 'doctor, it hurts when i do that.' 'don't do that.'

15:46:12 asciilifeform: think btctelegraph is slow? wait till we're morsing by hand over spark gap in the ruins.

15:46:35 asciilifeform: hand-cranking rsa, brass gears...

15:47:20 mircea_popescu: what's this, de loyola's calvinism ?

15:49:11 jurov: let's agree on clacktower protocol in advance then

16:00:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.41107631 BTC to 15`393 shares, 9167 satoshi per share

16:00:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.19 = 7.03 BTC [-]

16:01:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 4.54929696 BTC to 162`012 shares, 2808 satoshi per share

16:03:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.00195824 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 348 satoshi per share

16:15:47 asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/z44bhed.png << people asked about this, a few times, at various times. and herr corkami has good schoolbook picture of it.

16:17:00 mircea_popescu: excellent pic yes

16:21:18 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2g862t/is_safellocom_legit_or_a_scam_deadterra_aka/

16:21:18 assbot: Is Safello.com legit or a scam? DeadTerra, aka Ludvig berg : Bitcoin

16:21:33 ben_vulpes: buenos dias cryptoleros

16:22:36 mircea_popescu: ola

16:26:03 thestringpuller: For the start, we need to introduce the concept of a FrozenCoin. FrozenCoin is simply a bitcoin which cannot be spent before a certain moment in future, i.e. a time-locked, frozen bitcoin.

16:26:07 thestringpuller: E.g. one could time-lock 1 bitcoin for 1 year to create a FrozenCoin. This can be done using nLockTime property of a Bitcoin transaction, but we would need an oracle (e.g. a trusted third party) to prove that a coin can't be spent before the specified time.

16:26:59 thestringpuller: No one can seem to figure out how to use nLockTime without a third party to prevent double spend.

16:31:35 asciilifeform: if you like timelocks, just lose N bits of private key.

16:32:01 asciilifeform: pick an N that sends you grinding, on what hardware you can obtain, for Y year.

16:32:04 asciilifeform: solved...

16:39:25 mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> No one can seem to figure out how to use nLockTime without a third party to prevent double spend. << for a fundamental reason.

16:40:25 mircea_popescu: if the protocol had been written, it'd have been obvious to anyone sane why this thing can not be done. as it wasn't, people can persevere into trying to push mud uphill, because there's nobody to "prove to them" that's what it is, and they refuse to believe authorities that know better than them can even in principle exist.

16:41:30 RagnarDanneskjol: hah

16:43:54 jurov: they want to be the one "i did not know i cannot be done, i boldly went and did it"

16:46:27 mircea_popescu: oh that

17:07:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.185 = 0.555 BTC [-] {2}

17:12:38 mircea_popescu: !up chalbersma_

17:15:36 RagnarDanneskjol: i understand chalbersma already set up atc p2pool on his home machine and did some test mining. I volunteered some server space to host ongoing. will let you gents figure out the rest

17:16:10 chalbersma: Indeed this is so.

17:16:20 mircea_popescu: chalbersma didja mine a block on it ?

17:16:26 chalbersma: Yep

17:16:37 chalbersma: https://atc.blockr.io/block/info/00000000000003c05190392334fee4ba09a4f270aedcc9af1a8fe1aba97486c2

17:16:41 mircea_popescu: cool.

17:16:45 mircea_popescu: okay, what do you need ?

17:17:32 chalbersma: Well now's the awkward budget period where we discuss how to get paid. :)

17:17:46 RagnarDanneskjol: or IF

17:17:53 mircea_popescu: no reason for it to be awkward.

17:18:15 RagnarDanneskjol: i tried to get him to take one for the team so he can hang with the cool kids - but the man's GREEDY

17:19:19 chalbersma: If the budget allows I was thinking that allowing me to place an add on the web interface page + ~0.2 BTC initial compensation for setup on Ragnar's hardware seems reasonable. It gives me an incentive to continue maintenance because of the add while giving me enough up front to satisfy the fiancee that the hours I've already spent working on it were worth it.

17:19:47 mircea_popescu: lol let the guy get paid what.

17:20:05 mircea_popescu: chalbersma ad to what ?

17:20:36 chalbersma: Whatever anon ads plays.

17:20:55 mircea_popescu: me looks at ben_vulpes

17:21:02 RagnarDanneskjol: ha

17:21:28 mircea_popescu: chalbersma what's this going to be running on ?

17:21:28 chalbersma: I've got it setup currently on a home connection. You can check it out but I'd like to give the ip over pm to keep some semblance of keeping my IP private.

17:21:52 mircea_popescu: if your idea of private is cpe-72-135-98-192.kc.res.rr.com...

17:22:01 RagnarDanneskjol: digi ocean

17:22:10 RagnarDanneskjol: is what I got

17:22:12 chalbersma: Ahh not so private :)

17:22:21 chalbersma: Well cat's out of the bag.

17:22:38 chalbersma:

17:22:39 assbot: P2Pool

17:22:53 mircea_popescu: chalbersma if you wish ask in #freenode for a cloak. otherwise, anyone in any chan or pm sees your ip

17:23:04 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol what's that cost ?

17:23:34 RagnarDanneskjol: 1gb RAM is 10-15/month. I'll cover it

17:23:41 RagnarDanneskjol: might get 3 GB

17:23:56 mircea_popescu: you want an add too ? :))

17:24:10 RagnarDanneskjol: no, I am fine thank

17:25:03 mircea_popescu: chalbersma okay, you can have the .2, but i'd rather not ad the thing up, so.

17:26:05 chalbersma: Okay what did you have in mind for ongoing maintenance costs?

17:27:20 chalbersma: In theory we could take a "cross that bridge when we come to it." position.

17:28:03 RagnarDanneskjol: I'll give you some free career coaching too, brush up your resume and whatnot

17:34:50 mircea_popescu: chalbersma so i was saying, you can have the .2 but not the ads. dun imagine you lose all that much by it anyway

17:35:12 chalbersma: True ads don't exactly pay a lot of money.

17:35:29 mircea_popescu: so, your address ?

17:36:11 chalbersma: Let me generate one for this transaction.

17:38:26 chalbersma: 1MZUhKVwnfGBjKm7gHSqv6WpNNBWfd8Rdy

17:40:18 chalbersma: I'll start working with Ragnar to get it setup.

17:40:34 mircea_popescu: ;;ident

17:40:34 gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None

17:40:38 mircea_popescu: ;;ident chalbersma

17:40:39 gribble: Nick 'chalbersma', with hostmask 'chalbersma!~chalbersm@cpe-72-135-98-192.kc.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'chalbersma', with GPG key id 9573FF79F1219C3D, key fingerprint 85647E97624587E9B7028E8A9573FF79F1219C3D, and bitcoin address 1Ec2L4nN7yGmX69V3Hkw3qfZpaxrMZjZqT

17:40:45 mircea_popescu: ;;rated chalbersma

17:40:46 gribble: You rated user chalbersma on Wed Sep 10 23:17:00 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: new blood..

17:40:58 mircea_popescu: ;;rated chalbersma 2 ATC p2pool implementation.

17:40:58 gribble: (rated <nick>) -- Get the details about the rating you gave to <nick>, if any.

17:41:03 mircea_popescu: ;;rate chalbersma 2 ATC p2pool implementation.

17:41:04 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user chalbersma has changed from 1 to 2.

17:51:38 chalbersma: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 "Client for ATC p2pool Implementation"

17:51:39 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.

17:52:04 mircea_popescu: you don't need the quotes i dont think

17:52:16 chalbersma: ;;rate RagnarDanneskjol 2 Client Contact and Recruiter for ATC P2pool Implementation

17:52:18 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user RagnarDanneskjol has changed from 1 to 2.

17:52:21 chalbersma: Future refference.

17:52:43 chalbersma: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Client for ATC p2pool Implementation

17:52:44 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 2 to 2.

17:53:33 RagnarDanneskjol: droplet is set and ready to roll. chalbersma - are you gonna work on this today?

17:54:39 chalbersma: That's the plan I do need to go run some errands though so I won't be able to start until later today.

17:54:56 chalbersma: Also whose ATC address is going to be the base address for this pool?

17:55:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 38812 @ 0.00005 = 1.9406 BTC [-] {2}

17:55:14 RagnarDanneskjol: the one you set up i assume

17:56:03 chalbersma: Generally it's a good idea to use an address from a wallet not on the same server as the pool. That will ensure that if the server is compromised there's less that can be stolen.

17:56:46 RagnarDanneskjol: well wouldnt you just generate it on another machine?

17:56:47 mircea_popescu: chalbersma bingoboingo's.

17:57:00 mircea_popescu: and i'll have x-rob point his miner to it once you're all set up too

17:59:17 chalbersma: Okay I'll grab his address when we get to that stage.

18:00:43 chalbersma: Pleasure doing buisness guys. I'll be on in a few hours.

18:01:04 mircea_popescu: !up skinnkavaj

18:01:14 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/31/august-atc-results/

18:01:15 assbot: August ATC Results | Bingo Blog

18:01:20 skinnkavaj: The truth is out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=780481.msg8806758#msg8806758

18:01:20 assbot: Read before investing in SuperNet ICO

18:01:38 RagnarDanneskjol: i would check with him to be sure address is up to date

18:03:05 *: BingoBoingo awakes to ...a pool?

18:04:01 RagnarDanneskjol: maybe. is the address accurate on drinking blog for pool mining BingoBoingo ?

18:04:09 RagnarDanneskjol: atc address i mean

18:04:14 BingoBoingo: It ought to be http://atc.blockr.io/address/info/12djAcViRDNpfzkBEpN2N1RXCDocNi41BV

18:04:20 RagnarDanneskjol: thanks

18:04:46 BingoBoingo: ;;rate RagnarDanneskjol 1 recruiter

18:04:48 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user RagnarDanneskjol has been recorded.

18:04:55 RagnarDanneskjol: whatever

18:05:04 BingoBoingo: ;;rate chalbersma 1 pool op

18:05:06 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user chalbersma has been recorded.

18:07:26 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/13/a-reversal-of-odds/

18:12:40 mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj who the fuck is jlxxx anyway

18:12:58 skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Some guy running many pump n dumps in the altcoin scene

18:13:32 mircea_popescu: "Let us first talk about the elephant in the room. Who am I? And why the newbie account? Answer ? There are many egos at work in BCT. These egos make fact based discussion difficult. "

18:13:33 mircea_popescu: derp.

18:18:17 skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Hard to take anyones word seriously, I can only judge by the flock of bitcoin developers in #monero-dev, I am not trusting 1 guy named jl777 that he will create a "Supernetwork" while he also have created 50 other altcoins. I am instead trusting the names assoicated with Monero. Familiar names to me. Also unless BTC is forked it will be the transparent coin and this is

18:18:17 skinnkavaj: good, people expect transparency for business, but I also see a future in the altcoin market with one altcoin that offers something bitcoin cannot today, anonymity.

18:18:36 BingoBoingo: http://www.kansascity.com/entertainment/ent-columns-blogs/stargazing/article2086784.html

18:18:36 assbot: Sarah Palin and family reportedly involved in party brawl in Alaska | The Kansas City Star

18:19:11 mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj i thought fluffypony was also involved.

18:19:20 mircea_popescu: !up xean64

18:20:15 fluffypony: wait what did I miss

18:20:35 fluffypony: oh jesus don't these people have something better to do

18:21:01 mircea_popescu: nobody has anything better to do, that's how we're all here :D

18:21:05 fluffypony: here is fine

18:21:08 fluffypony: bitcointalk is poison

18:21:34 mircea_popescu: anyway, some altcoin drama, dunno.

18:21:38 fluffypony: yup

18:21:45 mircea_popescu: after eth got away with it, everyone's claiming 10k bitcoins

18:21:45 fluffypony: "XXXXXXXcoin is a scam!"

18:21:52 mircea_popescu: it's the new 2weeks

18:21:59 fluffypony: "nowayz, dev is amazing and shits solid platinum"

18:21:59 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

18:22:08 fluffypony: "I heard dev is actually Bin Laden reincarnated"

18:22:12 fluffypony: "no wayz lets argue"

18:22:20 fluffypony: summary of the Bitcointalk altcoin section

18:22:33 mircea_popescu: hey, not the kids fault that their parents dump them on the internet for an education

18:22:57 fluffypony: hah hah

18:23:09 fluffypony: then they become "developers" from kahn academy

18:23:17 fluffypony: you know what I find that's REALLY interesting

18:23:35 fluffypony: there are a great deal of "developers" in the altcoin section that have *failed* at holding a job IRL

18:23:55 fluffypony: they can't see things through to a finish, so they fail at life

18:24:07 fluffypony: but they can code...a little

18:24:19 fluffypony: so they become altcoin "developers"

18:24:21 mircea_popescu: the internets will have them all. the dumb, the poor, the hungry. it's america.

18:24:24 fluffypony: and push out a little code

18:24:41 fluffypony: and the forum *worships* them

18:25:31 mircea_popescu: looky : pre webz, every ghetto block corner had its "gang" with "leaders" which "the girls" (all 0.7 of them) "worshipped". now we get to hear about it is all

18:26:40 fluffypony: yeah true

18:26:54 fluffypony: it's irritating and pathetic, but welcome to 2014

18:27:00 fluffypony: where errrrrone has iPads

18:28:27 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/

19:02:14 ben_vulpes: i have better things to do

19:07:35 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

19:07:37 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 478.91, Best ask: 479.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 479.74, 24 hour volume: 5929.20561664, 24 hour low: 467.43, 24 hour high: 480.1, 24 hour vwap: 475.750347777

19:13:53 kakobrekla: ;;isup bitbet.us

19:13:54 gribble: bitbet.us is up

19:13:56 kakobrekla: for now.

19:14:19 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what'd ou do to it ?

19:15:20 kakobrekla: blocking at the lowest level that _i_ can

19:15:44 mircea_popescu: cool.

19:15:54 kakobrekla: dc basically said we dun care.

19:17:17 mircea_popescu: !up ceger

19:17:32 ceger: thx?

19:17:37 mircea_popescu: yw.

19:17:50 mircea_popescu: who are you and what brings you here ?

19:18:12 ceger: good questions

19:18:33 ceger: nobody and every other chan is dead lol

19:18:50 justusranvier: Philedelphia: The city of brotherly love. (note: brotherly love does not include accessible electrical outlets in the airport)

19:19:05 mircea_popescu: ceger works.

19:19:16 mircea_popescu: justusranvier i always thought they meant that in the sense of butt piracy

19:19:51 justusranvier: mircea_popescu: That does fit better with the theme of giving you free wifi but no power

19:20:17 mircea_popescu: ;;google i can take about an hour on the tower of power as long as i gets myself sum golden shower

19:20:18 gribble: In Memory of Frank Zappa - Dillsnap Cogitations - WordPress.com: http://dillsnapcogitation.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/in-memory-of-frank-zappa-americas-free-speech-warrior/; Gazprom Ready To Drop Dollar, Settle China Contracts In Yuan Or ...: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-26/gazprom-ready-drop-dollar-settle-china-contracts-yuan-or-rubles; Steely Dan Lyrics: http (1 more message)

19:20:31 chetty: http://wattsupwiththat.com/climate-fail-files/list-of-excuses-for-the-pause-in-global-warming/

19:20:32 assbot: List of excuses for ‘The Pause’ in global warming | Watts Up With That?

19:21:08 mircea_popescu: anyway, since we're on this, let the permanent record reflect that i've bought up all the prime skyn avaialble at buenos aires' largest sex shop (called the buttman).

19:21:14 mircea_popescu: and it only cost like twenny bux, too.

19:21:55 mircea_popescu: chetty "the HockeySchtick" lol

19:22:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1570 @ 0.000598 = 0.9389 BTC [-]

19:23:46 chetty: skyn?

19:24:08 mircea_popescu: 51) If our models could time-travel back in time, ?we could have forecast ?the pause? ? if we had the tools of the future back then? [NCAR press release]

19:24:25 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha epic. "if only we knew what we need to lie about in the future, we could have made pesudomath that did it back when"

19:24:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4400 @ 0.00059895 = 2.6354 BTC [+] {2}

19:26:23 mircea_popescu: dub how's the climate fraud thing looking btw ?

19:33:18 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/cYNMGcy.jpg

19:33:27 mircea_popescu: fap. not a word, a deed.

19:34:05 mircea_popescu: also, that is NOT what a family is for fucks sake. what is this, PREFIX instead of POSTFIX alternative universe ?

19:36:01 kakobrekla: your family name is mircea or popescu ?

19:37:33 mircea_popescu: popescu

19:37:37 mircea_popescu: nice to meet you mr brekla

19:37:44 kakobrekla: :p

19:37:55 mircea_popescu: !up maximian

19:39:13 mircea_popescu: ow shit, only now i get it.

19:39:26 mircea_popescu: omfg kakobrekla you are banned from jokes.

19:41:15 mircea_popescu: shit, bitbet is still online. what sort of scam ddos is this even

19:49:20 kakobrekla: well its not over till its over.

19:49:57 mircea_popescu: what is ever over.

19:50:05 mircea_popescu: even the ipad... they're still making "new models"

19:50:13 kakobrekla: lyfe!

19:51:24 chetty: who has order their apple leash ..err watch?

19:51:37 mircea_popescu: im saving my money for the apple cockring

19:51:52 kakobrekla: thats 3 watches in bridge mode ?

19:52:42 mircea_popescu: lol]

19:53:20 mircea_popescu: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--BwgnoQA8--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18mkjam2vb6sajpg.jpg

19:53:44 mircea_popescu: o look at that, gizmodo links images off gawker-media. they're not even worth their own directory :D

19:54:04 kakobrekla: lol

19:55:37 mircea_popescu: ;;isdown bitbet.us

19:55:38 gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.

19:55:41 mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown bitbet.us

19:55:45 gribble: bitbet.us is down

19:56:25 kakobrekla: i see

19:56:47 kakobrekla: ;;isitdown bitbet.us

19:56:48 gribble: bitbet.us is up

19:57:28 []bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/ Odds: 97(Y):3(N) by coin, 97(Y):3(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.35161486 BTC. Current weight: 84,859.

19:57:58 *: mircea_popescu is picturing kakobrekla sitting on a huge pile of coal, pumping the server furnace as needed

19:58:17 chetty: what he ran out of hamsters?

19:58:31 kakobrekla: lol

19:58:43 mircea_popescu: steampunk server.

20:09:40 jurov: hamsterpunk

20:11:13 fluffypony: this is just begging to be turned into an altcoin

20:11:16 fluffypony: SteampunkCoin

20:11:26 fluffypony: Proof of Burn (Coal and/or Wood only please)

20:18:58 kakobrekla: down for another minute.

20:22:53 mircea_popescu: actually, socialmedia spamcoin could be an idea.

20:23:13 mircea_popescu: mining constists of creating sm accounts.

20:23:26 mircea_popescu: if nothing else, asic-resistant by design

20:24:24 kakobrekla: and up again.

20:50:54 fluffypony: soooo

20:50:59 fluffypony: has everyone changed their password?

20:58:36 mircea_popescu: meh, too lazy.

21:01:20 jurov: /msg NickServ help

21:01:27 jurov: -NickServ- No help available for .

21:01:40 *: jurov rolls eyes

21:02:36 chetty: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29136747?ocid=socialflow_twitter

21:02:36 assbot: BBC News - How do you stop the flow of lava?

21:04:17 mircea_popescu: lol are they crowdsourcing the answer ?

21:27:42 mircea_popescu: !up ContingencyPlan

21:28:17 ContingencyPlan: thanks for the up - does anyone have a link for getting started with PGP/WoT?

21:28:40 kakobrekla: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

21:28:40 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

21:28:47 ContingencyPlan: thanks

21:50:42 mircea_popescu: $proxies

21:51:08 mircea_popescu: well anyway.

22:24:54 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

22:24:57 gribble: Current Blocks: 320563 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1996 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 39 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45293795105.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 51.8411

22:25:05 mircea_popescu: 51% baby :D

22:28:25 kakobrekla: dis a joke ?

22:29:43 mircea_popescu: early estimate always nutty.

22:32:24 mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-ever.png always good for a omgwtf.

22:32:52 mircea_popescu: apparently bitcoin mining starts 12 months ago. who knew.

22:34:53 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3.1 / 2.9829733124040417

22:34:53 gribble: 1.03923155702

23:00:27 jurov: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203872284782896&fref=nf

23:00:44 mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, anyone know rochester ?

23:01:17 mircea_popescu: jurov i still think wetware comes before quantum, so there.

23:02:45 *: asciilifeform can hardly think of a less suitable wetware application than btc mining

23:05:28 kakobrekla: i suspekt wetware is going to stay emulated for a long long time

23:05:35 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/09/vor-liquidation.htm << mega-lol!

23:05:51 asciilifeform: '...a secret goal of the Rockefeller family, one of the chief financiers of the plan, to own an apartment overlooking the Kremlin and Red Square...'

23:09:35 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know, after the first steam machines were introduced in the 1800s, people saw that horses and oxen are replaced, but believed the intelligent movement of man will remain emulated for a long long time

23:09:47 mircea_popescu: by 1900 they had sewing machines.

23:10:39 asciilifeform: eh, tech was actually happening then.

23:10:45 chetty: http://mashable.com/2014/09/11/iceland-bardabunga-volcano-eruption-photos/

23:10:45 assbot: 11 Photos of Iceland's Bardarbunga Volcano Erupting That Are Just Unreal

23:10:49 jurov: who knows, C compiler for wetware may be months away

23:10:56 jurov: to ascii's delight

23:11:30 asciilifeform: jurov: first, multiply, e.g, 5 x 7 with 'wetware' and get a reliable answer.

23:12:00 jurov: the google book i linked has bool logic gates

23:12:41 asciilifeform: jurov: ever culture an organism ?

23:13:31 jurov: yes?

23:13:41 asciilifeform: how long did the colony live ?

23:14:52 kakobrekla: ever heard of head jars dude

23:15:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know it's a bad habit to state the problem thus.

23:15:14 jurov: they aren't using whole cells

23:15:26 mircea_popescu: it's a subset of the "first, one nail" approach

23:15:38 mircea_popescu: suppose i don't multiply 5 x 7, but i do a fft over a large domain.

23:15:40 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTM4MTAyNTk1OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwOTA4Njc3._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg << these ?

23:15:41 mircea_popescu: "close enough"

23:15:58 kakobrekla: asciilifeform correct. only the bubblers are missing.

23:16:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good example. but, not only must accept 'close enough', but go and try to get the answer out with reasonable speed.

23:17:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you readily know the volume of "silicone" computation that goes by in the average cell ?

23:17:09 kakobrekla: reasonable speed for '100000point travelling salesman' problem ?

23:17:10 mircea_popescu: it's immense.

23:17:15 mircea_popescu: just folding proteins is a massive task.

23:17:18 asciilifeform: you'd probably want to make use of, e.g, luciferase

23:17:21 asciilifeform: and camera.

23:17:31 mircea_popescu: you're just an opticomputer fanboy arentcha :D

23:18:18 asciilifeform: so, for those who don't know, there are two basic ways of 'folding' a protein (that is, in physical reality it folds, but you want to know its structure)

23:18:39 asciilifeform: one - approximate solution of shrodinger's equation for the system of protein-cum-solution

23:18:43 mircea_popescu: ^

23:18:44 asciilifeform: two - xray crystallography

23:18:58 asciilifeform: to every n00b's surprise - the cost is roughly similar.

23:19:36 asciilifeform: (2) gives a result more in line with reality, and so tends to be favoured unless there is something exotic about the system (weird ligand, perverse conditions otherwise, whatever)

23:19:57 asciilifeform: now, think about why (2) costs roughly same as (1).

23:20:28 *: mircea_popescu listens

23:20:41 asciilifeform: why even bring this up: the 'answer' - physical structure of properly folded protein - is 'computed' instantly.

23:20:50 asciilifeform: now, getting the answer out in a usable form...

23:20:55 asciilifeform: takes about a year of skilled labour.

23:20:57 mircea_popescu: "instantly". not quite

23:21:00 mircea_popescu: but yes.

23:21:57 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=25 << me derping about roughly this, in '08.

23:21:58 assbot: Loper OS » How Much Computation Does the Universe Perform?

23:22:03 mircea_popescu: the question is more like, suppose i give you piles of C N H O etc molar equivalent to the contents of a live creature,

23:22:12 mircea_popescu: and a list of what molecules it contains

23:22:17 mircea_popescu: your task being to fold the shit together.

23:23:11 mircea_popescu: this, in an ideal way, suppose you have Ontologizer, which makes be whatever molecular structure you describe.

23:33:52 jurov: that description would be *very* hefty

23:34:38 mircea_popescu: quite.

23:34:51 mircea_popescu: the archetypal "rather than explain your job to you i'd rather just do it"

23:40:12 jurov: question here was the other way, can wetware do turing stuff effectively?

23:41:42 asciilifeform: jurov: turing's apparatus is not even a particularly good abstraction for electric computer. much less 'wet' kind.

23:42:47 kakobrekla: thats why they go the ibm synapse cpu way

23:42:53 kakobrekla: i mean the read off

23:43:30 kakobrekla: which is emulation basically

23:45:09 jurov: "nah it cnat reliably multiply 5*7"

23:46:06 *: asciilifeform is actually rather fond of analogue computing as a concept, and as it once existed, but has yet to meet a 'meatware' proposal that isn't transparently grantsmanship.

23:46:11 mircea_popescu: jurov perhaps more a "Can shit we need done be phrased such that wetware can do it better than the turing machine"

23:47:00 mircea_popescu: and for all the error-fiends : you can't correctly represent decimal numbers in computers today, it doesn't stop anyone from derping on the pretense computers are ideal machines.

23:47:11 mircea_popescu: error is never going to stop anything.

23:47:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually plenty of folks use 'rational arithmetic' systems that don't touch the ieee/flop cpu circuits

23:48:28 mircea_popescu: still.

23:48:30 asciilifeform: and actually represent, e.g, 1/3 as a 1, a /, and a 3; sqrt(2) as a root and a two of it, etc

23:48:55 mircea_popescu: i don't need everyone to be an idiot, i just need a few to make my case.

23:48:59 asciilifeform: lol

23:49:01 mircea_popescu: :)

23:49:20 *: asciilifeform when went to school they still made us remember the breakage cases in various float representations extant

23:49:30 mircea_popescu: me too o.O

23:50:02 jurov: me too

23:52:08 mircea_popescu: /r/matrixglitch

23:54:58 jurov: !up DoctorLTC