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00:03:21 BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform finds it quite impossible to imagine anything other than a mutilated corpse following 'won't believe what happens next' phrase. << Woodchipper fan fiction

00:08:20 BingoBoingo: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PoLyoe8UcI8/VDi5b_2GxdI/AAAAAAAAJTo/vsVXCe4rfms/s1600/BufFxv8IMAAcGw8.jpg

00:18:32 thestringpuller: %t

00:18:33 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 185 Ask: 225 Last Price: 225 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A

00:21:30 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/introducing-sqntr/

00:22:33 dub: stay classy mp

00:23:58 *: asciilifeform is able to identify the smaller devices in the upper right hand corner of photo, but not the large rectangular apparatus.

00:27:11 RagnarDanneskjol: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2014#869192 << cazalla - one day hanging by a thread, next day listing on biggest exchange in teh universe http://www.troll.me/images/y-u-no/y-u-no-wait.jpg

00:27:12 assbot: Logged on 12-10-2014 05:02:00; cazalla: not at this time, it's only 2 weeks old, maybe it dies tmw who knows

00:27:41 cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, lol, what did you expect me to say

00:27:52 RagnarDanneskjol: nothin, just sayin

00:29:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00073936 = 11.497 BTC [-]

00:29:26 cazalla: so regards to finding additional author, on the about page i added must be in wot + 6 months #b-a logs, i'm happy to loosen requirements if article quality is up to par, what do people think?

00:29:37 cazalla: additional authors*

00:30:12 asciilifeform: cazalla: how does this work again? people submit items written for the occasion? or are they licensed from other sites ?

00:30:23 BingoBoingo: Well, writing sample as audition seems like a solid process

00:30:25 asciilifeform: or is there a set of staff authors ... ?

00:30:44 cazalla: ideally they find some news, verify rumour, something of interest to readers that is original

00:31:30 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everything for the occasion. Maybe eventually a staff? Qntra only pays in equity though.

00:31:32 cazalla: licensing content wouldn't work

00:31:37 asciilifeform: then find << which they ? that was the q

00:32:02 cazalla: they as in anyone that wants to contribute to the site and earn equity

00:32:09 asciilifeform: aha

00:32:19 *: asciilifeform was confused by talk of 'finding authors' earlier.

00:32:48 cazalla: i didn't really make it clear

00:33:12 BingoBoingo: Food for thought. Bone wax is an actual product applied to living bone.

00:36:45 mats_cd03: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/10/us-aig-bailout-idUSKCN0HZ1WK20141010

00:36:45 assbot: Ex-Fed Chair Bernanke: wanted to stop AIG default, not punish firm| Reuters

00:41:39 mod6: ole Edward Quince

00:41:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'youth' article: when americans repeat the maxim 'don't waste your youth', generally they aren't talking about purely chronological age. what they really mean is 'youth' in the sense of the larval cycle where you are supported by external wires (parents, student debt, etc.)

00:42:44 asciilifeform: for some of the people in question, this has been artificially extended into 20s, 30s, and on.

00:43:17 mats_cd03: i am realizing the West Key system is not going to be helpful in doing this legal research

00:43:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48211 @ 0.00073846 = 35.6019 BTC [-] {2}

00:43:42 mats_cd03: guess ill go to the harvard law school library and bug some librarians for tips

00:44:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30031 @ 0.00073575 = 22.0953 BTC [-]

00:44:36 RagnarDanneskjol: harvard law library is open to public?

00:46:02 RagnarDanneskjol: oh http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/services/admission/access-guests.html

00:46:03 assbot: Access for Guests

00:46:25 asciilifeform: it is possible to pay one's way into most academic libraries.

00:46:31 asciilifeform: but price varies.

00:46:56 *: asciilifeform long-time practitioner of this dark art

00:47:53 BingoBoingo: chetty: Have you found anything concrete on sterilizing cash yet?

00:48:36 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in the literal sense?

00:49:04 mats_cd03: i know a guy that knows a guy.

00:49:22 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah. Beause obola

00:50:03 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if so, the simplest device is... a bank. the infected cash is brought to the bank, and given to the hapless devil inside. afterwards, one walks six metres to the cash machine and withdraws clean cash (generally, where i live, only newly-printed money is ever placed into the cassette, to avoid jamming rollers.)

00:50:16 RagnarDanneskjol: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2014#853230

00:50:17 assbot: Logged on 01-10-2014 10:07:21; RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.recentscientific.com/sites/default/files/download_110.pdf

00:50:24 Adlai: technically (the best kind of) speaking, isn't material contaminated with ebolavirus still considered "sterile"?

00:50:45 Adlai: "free from bacteria or other living microorganisms; totally clean"

00:51:45 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Depending on where one places their cut off for "life" it could be. I'm of the opinion that fire meets the minimum qualifications for living though.

00:52:21 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: if so, the simplest device is... a bank. the infected cash is brought to the bank, and given to the hapless devil inside. afterwards, one walks six metres to the cash machine and withdraws clean cash (generally, where i live, only newly-printed money is ever placed into the cassette, to avoid jamming rollers.) << Out I get some used, but pressed bills out of the cash machine

00:54:00 Adlai: another possibility is to wash your hands before you eat, and use straws instead of benjies

00:54:42 asciilifeform: use straws instead of benjies << heresy

00:55:01 RagnarDanneskjol: lel

00:55:31 Adlai: ok, this is the first time i've watched a video trailer for a book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruba41fF1Ag

00:55:31 assbot: GOD IS A GAMER by Ravi Subramanian - The official book video - YouTube

00:55:57 Adlai: makes me just want to wait until the movie comes out

00:56:08 asciilifeform: there was, if i recall, a trailer for neal stephenson's 'anathem'

00:56:18 BingoBoingo: Well, ethylene oxide seems like a promising canidate agent

00:56:59 cazalla: Adlai, it's pretty common

00:57:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems as if you're still thinking of the whole thing as a natural disaster - rather than open biological warfare by usg against own subjects

00:58:00 BingoBoingo: Could be both

00:58:36 *: asciilifeform admits he expected an honest, traditional firing squad, like a chump.

00:59:36 asciilifeform: at any rate, the difference between disaster and war is that dodges don't work against war - it responds in kind.

00:59:40 BingoBoingo: http://www.synergyhealthplc.com/sites/default/files/ethylene_oxide_bench-top_processors_information_sheet.pdf

00:59:45 asciilifeform: earthquakes don't chase you if you run.

01:00:20 Adlai: firing squads take a long time and use too much manpower (Eichmann et al, 1942)

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01:00:40 BingoBoingo: !b 5

01:02:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13265 @ 0.00073509 = 9.751 BTC [-]

01:08:54 asciilifeform: 'Perhaps even more disturbing, evidence suggests that policymakers?from cadets at West Point to senators on the Intelligence Committee to Supreme Court Justices?are referencing fake spies to formulate and implement real intelligence policies...'

01:09:04 asciilifeform: ( http://cryptome.org/2014/10/spytainment.pdf << loltron )

01:10:04 *: Adlai is a bit puzzled by the incentives arising from s.qntr's share model... authors are incentivized to write the longest possible article which will pass review, while the editor is incentivized to pick the shortest available article on a specific subject

01:11:08 Adlai: that doesn't necessarily produce the "best" content, although trying to incentivize "better" content through share distribution might be misguided

01:17:54 cazalla: Adlai, providing contributors adhere to quality guidelines, i don't see long articles to be a problem for the website

01:18:17 decimation: asciilifeform: that 'spytainment' paper is hilarious. I especially like the part about re-classification of previously publically released material.

01:18:44 cazalla: if anything it will act as motivation for them to contribute a lot of quality content and possibly earn more than they would have by publishing it elsewhere

01:18:46 Adlai: cazalla: problem != (dis)incentive

01:19:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22035 @ 0.00073739 = 16.2484 BTC [+]

01:19:16 decimation: One cannot imagine a better situation for allowing bureaucrats unlimited freedom of action than to create a massive propaganda apparatus (hollywood) which everyone (including dear leaders) believe to be the truth.

01:19:33 cazalla: and why would i be incentivised to write short articles? i can earn from the same pool of shares other authors do

01:20:09 Adlai: decimation: after one of the snowden leaks, there were some emails sent around govt networks asking people not to open the leaked documents on workstations with lower clearance than the leaks

01:20:44 asciilifeform: quite a bit of very interesting (though, naturally, unproven) turds on cryptome today

01:20:48 asciilifeform: pertaining to the crown jewels.

01:20:52 Adlai: i'm imagining a situation where authors are competing, i realize that qntra has a smaller author pool atm

01:20:59 asciilifeform: (eci)

01:21:32 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/write-for-qntra-earn-equity-in-qntra/

01:22:10 decimation: one wonders if usg actually keeps anything secret or just fills out paperwork to that effect

01:26:34 Adlai: how does qntra plan to monetize?

01:27:02 BingoBoingo: Eventually

01:28:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45650 @ 0.0007343 = 33.5208 BTC [-] {3}

01:28:30 xanthyos: much of the btc criticism i read online hearkens back to mtgox, like mtgox is this powerful buzzword that trumps all arguments, like rudy giuliani did with "9/11"

01:29:25 mircea_popescu: <cazalla> so regards to finding additional author, on the about page i added must be in wot + 6 months #b-a logs, i'm happy to loosen requirements if article quality is up to par, what do people think? << yah if they're in the wot at all and they submit something that's decent should be ok

01:29:49 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or is there a set of staff authors ... ? << set as in brothel. anyone can submit for an audition

01:29:58 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/10/nsa-eci-the-intercept-14-1010.pdf << now we know what drawer in the indiana jones vault contains rsa pill.

01:30:16 asciilifeform: (or, is to contain.)

01:30:23 Adlai: BingoBoingo: "how" is the key word :)

01:30:59 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> larval cycle where you are supported by external wires (parents, student debt, etc.) << clearly spending your own money as you see fit should be a better position than begging mom/govt. so if that's what it is then... yeah, waste it. it sucks.

01:31:17 BingoBoingo: Well, there's a timeline to answer how beyond what is contained in the listing document. Any or all of the methods proposed there may be considered.

01:31:31 *: Adlai looks at the listing again

01:31:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'better to be rich and healthy than poor and disease-ridden', yes.

01:32:36 mircea_popescu: * Adlai is a bit puzzled by the incentives arising from s.qntr's share model... authors are incentivized to write the longest possible article which will pass review, while the editor is incentivized to pick the shortest available article on a specific subject << works i guess.

01:34:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've yet to meet adults that made less than teenager allowance.

01:34:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: use formula from earlier thread, 'wage per minute of actual work minus rent'

01:35:03 asciilifeform: for teenager, rent can usually be set to null

01:35:27 asciilifeform: rephrase, if you like, as 'unit of discretionary income per unit of lost free time.'

01:35:48 mircea_popescu: this is plainly untrue. if teenager rent is null then pretty much any woman's rent is also null.

01:36:09 mircea_popescu: if you're going to put up with parenting level bullshit you might as well answer one of those "will rent for cocksucking" craigslist ads.

01:36:28 asciilifeform: not every parent is a visisector

01:36:33 mircea_popescu: eh get out.

01:36:48 mircea_popescu: any helicopter mom can run the mouth for longer than anyone can maintain an erection.

01:37:00 mircea_popescu: cocksucking's by far the better deal.

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01:37:03 BingoBoingo: !b 10

01:37:46 Adlai: lolololol

01:38:08 Adlai: there's a doonesbury somewhere out there where mike's dad gives him a bill for all his parenting, including his share of rent

01:38:39 mircea_popescu: i think a vanishingly small minority of parents actually adds value through parenting.

01:38:45 Adlai: text is too small to find it quickly through google images -> /me gives up

01:38:46 mircea_popescu: the vastmajority should be charged for it.

01:38:52 decimation: I have a friend who made his teenagres pay the utility bills

01:38:57 mircea_popescu: much like the vast majority of people writing should be charged

01:38:59 mircea_popescu: per word.

01:39:59 kakobrekla: per letter offers better provisioning

01:40:22 Adlai: obligatory rothbard quote, "the purely free society will have a flourishing free market in children"

01:40:28 mircea_popescu: no, let them try to use all nine letter words :D

01:40:40 mircea_popescu: Adlai and be better off for it, too.

01:41:00 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

01:41:04 asciilifeform: i wish we could ask herr rothbard about the market value of... ebola.

01:41:09 devthedev: Thanks BingoBoingo

01:41:10 asciilifeform: per gram.

01:41:13 mircea_popescu: incidentally, this isn't some sort of crazy altenrate world. one of the chief pillars of english prosperity, not just financial but espexcially intellectual, was the flourishing free market in children they had.

01:41:25 mircea_popescu: pretty much every snotty brat got shipped off to slave labour at the age of about 7.

01:41:26 decimation: in the ancient world it is my understanding that selling children into slavery was in some cases the 'social safety net'

01:41:46 mircea_popescu: the process built like 99% of any english speaker worth a name in all history.

01:42:34 mircea_popescu: decimation in the modern world too

01:42:38 decimation: mircea_popescu: not to mention they sent their criminals and 'surplus young men' into slavery in the colonies

01:42:40 mircea_popescu: you can still buy an indian girlie today.

01:42:43 Adlai: at what point does a child sold into slavery become free?

01:43:01 mircea_popescu: Adlai in england you mean ? usually when he's old enough and skilled enough to practice a trade

01:43:11 mircea_popescu: except if a woman. women rarely emancipated.

01:43:39 mircea_popescu: dub what part of tuna do you find unclassy ?

01:43:48 Adlai: whenever i think about such ideas, my disgust at the theoretical treatment of people turns into disgust at the actual way we treat animals today

01:43:52 Adlai: and then i stop thinking about it because bacon

01:44:05 mircea_popescu: your disgust is misplaced.

01:44:20 mircea_popescu: the only disgusting thing is that a minority of kids today are mistreated by not being so treated.

01:44:24 Adlai: you think we treat animals (including people) well?

01:44:25 asciilifeform: Adlai: the 'animal rights' folks have it backwards. i've met people who envy the pigs.

01:44:31 decimation: Adlai: do you think it is more 'humane' to pay to keep the humans in shitholes with nothing to do?

01:44:36 mircea_popescu: Adlai i think english speakers mistreat their children horribly.

01:45:14 kakobrekla: told you he will get along just fine.

01:45:28 mircea_popescu: lol

01:45:28 Adlai: i'm not sure what's humane or better, but i'm open to the possibility of there being better treatments than what we do now

01:46:18 Adlai: and yes, it's fair to say that i was "mistreated" by never having to work for money until i stopped accepting my parents' charity

01:46:53 Adlai: on one hand i'm pretty pleased about that, it enabled me to have tons of free time growing up, and i think i used it reasonably well

01:47:12 Adlai: on the other hand, that child grew into a "psychologically unemployable" adult

01:47:44 kakobrekla: lol

01:47:48 Adlai: kakobrekla: what's wrong with a little dissent :P

01:47:54 decimation: I suspect that few of the young apprentices that mircea_popescu mentioned ended up dispising the masters who showed them how dumb they were

01:48:04 asciilifeform: psychologically unemployable << waitwat, what do you eat...?

01:48:16 Adlai: debt!

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01:48:46 asciilifeform: !b 2

01:49:09 Adlai: :D

01:52:35 asciilifeform: keep the humans in shitholes with nothing to do << where is this done, outside of u.s. prisons ?

01:52:45 asciilifeform: (and schools, but i repeat myself)

01:53:04 decimation: and 'neighborhoods' in the city

01:53:58 asciilifeform: decimation: gedankenexperiment. what stops these folks from, e.g., opening a textbook & studying physics, math, greek, whatever ?

01:54:04 asciilifeform: everyone 'has something to do'

01:54:16 asciilifeform: not everyone has a chap with a stick standing behind, ready to whack

01:54:21 asciilifeform: but not everyone needs.

01:55:15 Adlai: mircea_popescu: maybe make http://mpex.bz/?mpsic=S.QNTR link to http://qntra.net instead of https?

01:55:16 assbot: S.QNTR last @0.00000000

01:55:17 assbot: Qntra.net - The #1 Bitcoin Site For News, Views & Commentary

01:55:20 decimation: asciilifeform: well, the aforementioned English devised a system where every such chap has a stick-wielder nearby

01:55:39 asciilifeform: that is one way to ensure that everyone who needs the stick, gets the stick, yes.

01:56:07 decimation: in the us, wielding the stick is generally banned, as is wielding wet noodles or signs that say 'stick'

01:56:22 asciilifeform: there is still a stick.

01:56:40 asciilifeform: and it will swing, and take your head clean off, if it must

01:56:42 devthedev: What do you think would be the best way to handle MPEx shares for Qntra?

01:56:43 asciilifeform: when you do certain things

01:56:51 cazalla: give him the stick, DON'T give him the stick

01:57:13 decimation: you mean the cruel discipline of nature?

01:58:00 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

01:58:01 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 373.65, Best ask: 374.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.25000, Last trade: 373.65, 24 hour volume: 14684.35561064, 24 hour low: 354.71, 24 hour high: 383.6, 24 hour vwap: 367.905500141

01:58:13 Adlai: BingoBoingo: where in the listing document is there any mention of anything which generates revenue?

01:58:19 asciilifeform: decimation: nah. homeland severity, war on drugz, etc

01:58:54 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Section 1, definitions

01:59:19 *: Adlai atard

01:59:43 Adlai: beautifully vague, but i guess that's appropriate at such an early stage

02:00:35 decimation: asciilifeform: yes, it is sad that in the us, the gov't has the right to arbitrary invade your person, yet generally forbids those who are put in authority over children the same power

02:02:31 decimation: and by 'invade your person' I mean 'subject to arbitrary measures of physical control'

02:02:32 BingoBoingo: http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/wsdatap/v6r0m0/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.dp.xm.doc%2Fjson_jsonx.html << IBM being IBM

02:02:32 assbot: WebSphere DataPower, Version 6.0.0, Information Center

02:02:45 BingoBoingo: JSON as XML

02:03:13 Adlai: yes that was linked in #lisp a while back

02:04:41 BingoBoingo: Ah, I only have so many channels open at a time.

02:04:55 asciilifeform: http://www.thesunonline.ca/News/Story.aspx?ID=2167239

02:04:59 assbot: 500 Internal Server Error

02:06:56 *: Adlai is doing well, down to ~20 from >50

02:06:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9609 @ 0.00074003 = 7.1109 BTC [+] {2}

02:08:40 decimation: http://www.corpun.com/counuss.htm


02:08:51 RagnarDanneskjol: Adlai at what point does a child sold into slavery become free? psychologically unemployable, et.. < http://fraudsters.com/2014/money-fucking-and-lying/#footnote_1_57150

02:08:52 assbot: Money, fucking and lying pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:09:58 mircea_popescu: <decimation> I suspect that few of the young apprentices that mircea_popescu mentioned ended up dispising the masters who showed them how dumb they were << actually, if the periodic apprentice riots are anything to go by, they probably resented their masters to their grave.

02:10:20 mircea_popescu: so what of it, kids loving their father is the seal of fathering failure.

02:10:40 decimation: heh good point - except for the few who became masters themselves

02:11:12 mircea_popescu: <devthedev> What do you think would be the best way to handle MPEx shares for Qntra? << whatr do you ean handle ?

02:11:13 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

02:11:45 mircea_popescu: "what do you mean handle" i meant

02:12:11 mircea_popescu: <decimation> and by 'invade your person' I mean 'subject to arbitrary measures of physical control << they still doing the "freeze" kindergarten game in airports ?

02:12:36 Adlai: mircea_popescu: isn't much of what you say about anglophonia relevant for many other places too?

02:12:51 devthedev: I'm trying to gain knowledge of which brokerage would be best.

02:13:01 mircea_popescu: not that many. nordic countries mostly.

02:13:11 mircea_popescu: devthedev prolly jurov's coinbr

02:13:26 decimation: mircea_popescu: yes, except they arbitrarily add on various 'strip' features, like your shoes, bags, etc

02:13:39 mircea_popescu: we kinda had that,

02:13:46 mircea_popescu: but you had to be careful or else the adults might catch on.

02:14:04 decimation: the latest thing is that if you pay the tsa $70 you can get your name on a list, so that you go through security 'the way it was before 2001'

02:14:56 decimation: http://www.tsa.gov/tsa-precheck/application-program

02:15:16 RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch

02:15:27 *: Adlai while reading RagnarDanneskjol's link, wonders whether mircea_popescu has seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wg6rL0n1yk

02:15:28 assbot: George Carlin - Children Are Our Future - YouTube

02:15:29 decimation: "I'm an official friend of usg, here's my pass from Stalin"

02:15:59 asciilifeform: decimation: nah, that'd be whatever document officials carry

02:16:07 mircea_popescu: !s carlin from:mircea_popescu

02:16:07 assbot: 7 results for 'carlin from:mircea_popescu' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=carlin+from%3Amircea_popescu

02:16:07 asciilifeform: any chumper can fork over the hundy and get the 'precleared' thing.

02:16:29 mircea_popescu: decimation do they refund it if you blow up a plane after all ?

02:17:08 Adlai: the agent refunds it if they want to see you naked when you arrive at the airport

02:17:38 *: asciilifeform has considered applying for the pass to see if he'd get one

02:18:04 mircea_popescu: tbh, if i were sitting on the iron throne in question, i'd have the agents naked

02:18:13 mircea_popescu: actually fuck it. nudist flights. poland style!

02:18:22 asciilifeform: this was actually proposed

02:18:24 asciilifeform: forget by whom

02:18:36 asciilifeform: next step was, i think, 'knockout flights' - with anaesthesia

02:18:38 mircea_popescu: i think it' sstill done in germany/poland

02:18:41 mircea_popescu: was the rage in the 80s

02:19:10 asciilifeform: the answer is, of course, the humble fat bomb.

02:19:20 asciilifeform: (or uterus bomb, or variations thereof.)

02:19:58 asciilifeform: i for one am quite curious what the first successful use of a uterus bomb will do to 'security theatre.'

02:20:07 decimation: mircea_popescu: I believe usg officially values passengers at $170k per head: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/08/asiana-airlines-crash-lawsuit/2500067/

02:20:11 assbot: What are your rights if your plane crashes?

02:20:42 mircea_popescu: decimation it's about fair tbh.

02:20:54 decimation: whatever happened to those 'red faction' chaps that were using high-end shaped charges in the 80's?

02:20:58 mircea_popescu: if you do actuarial averages, about the best construction you can come up with

02:21:37 decimation: I think you wrote about the tyranny of infinite liability

02:22:00 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2014#850262

02:22:01 assbot: Logged on 29-09-2014 20:16:36; mircea_popescu: any state purporting to enforce strict liability is pure stalinism and nothing but.

02:22:36 mircea_popescu: this is mere tort.

02:22:39 decimation: ask any engineer 'how safe' the bridge should be, and he will ask how many people it should kill in a reasonable lifespan

02:23:32 BingoBoingo: decimation: Bridge kills no people in it's lifespan because users are warned of the expiration date upon which it will self bomb

02:24:44 decimation: the point being everything is a tradeoff, and many errors of government come from trying to assume the value of something to be infinity - or zero.

02:24:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: win98 crashes, self-bomb goes off in rush hour.

02:25:08 mircea_popescu: win.

02:25:29 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCdYoXQSN5c << check out the 80s lmao.

02:25:30 assbot: George Carlin - New Jersey (Audio Only) - YouTube

02:27:04 mats_cd03: my brain keeps parsing S.QNTR as squinter

02:27:17 mats_cd03: perhaps my brain is telling me to write for qntra.

02:27:29 mircea_popescu: try it and see

02:27:31 BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: That just might be the case

02:27:46 decimation: I read it as 'squitter'

02:27:56 mats_cd03: the only thing i have in mind is bitbet audit 2

02:28:04 mats_cd03: and i plan to wait until brk-a bet concludes to do that

02:28:05 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squitter

02:28:05 assbot: Squitter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:28:21 mircea_popescu: six months or so to go ?

02:33:59 decimation: so reading about lowendhost.net in the [b]logs was useful. has anyone used 'vultr.com'?

02:34:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49700 @ 0.00073896 = 36.7263 BTC [-] {2}

02:34:59 thickasthieves: decimation, kako tried it earlier today

02:35:18 decimation: it seemed to be among the best deals in 'kvm' hosting

02:35:51 thickasthieves: btw bingoboingo, the error is gone, and grats to you and cazalla on the IPOhood

02:36:08 BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: Thank you

02:36:12 thickasthieves: no grats for mp

02:36:14 thickasthieves: :)

02:36:29 mircea_popescu: whai not ?

02:36:51 thickasthieves: keeps you grounded of course

02:37:16 BingoBoingo: decimation: I think kakobrekla is giving them a spin. I've read mixed reviews.

02:37:32 thickasthieves: but no, thank you for giving it a go, i always like to see the new b-a bizs

02:38:42 decimation: ah I see his note in the log, thanks for the tip. I wonder what kind of processor they are using

02:40:20 BingoBoingo: decimation: Their copy says something intel and something recent.

02:42:34 penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-value/

02:43:15 thickasthieves: omg i'm going to reddit to try to get mpex to support bitcoin, they only take words now!

02:44:01 mike_c: you could buy from starving authors

02:45:16 thickasthieves: what do i look like?!

02:45:30 thickasthieves: :)

02:46:32 thickasthieves: so, wall st gonna bleed out this week?

02:47:42 asciilifeform: thickasthieves: heard EBLA is doing great.

02:47:52 asciilifeform: promising stock.

02:47:58 asciilifeform: (or is it OBLA... ?)

02:48:10 BingoBoingo: It's EBMA and OBLA

02:48:36 asciilifeform: http://static.infowars.com/obola-posters/obolaposter1.jpg

02:49:07 thickasthieves: that's some high-rez

02:49:14 asciilifeform: meant to be printed, i think.

02:49:49 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: (no, it’s not all physiology, there’s a lot to the functioning of the brain that’s purely cultural, and thus ethnic, and thus sure black kids immersed into white culture could in principle get the same IQ measurements as white kids while black kids from Africa or the ghetto never will) << lolno.

02:49:50 asciilifeform: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/President+obola+obama+and+the+cdc+lied+to+us+about_9c6327_5318978.jpg

02:49:51 asciilifeform: etc

02:49:51 cazalla: good luck ebola!

02:53:23 diametric: asciilifeform: for what its worth, there is actually no direct flights from west africa to here.

02:53:27 diametric: so theres no flights to stop.

02:53:45 asciilifeform: indirect ones.

02:53:55 diametric: but that would be tantamount to stopping all inbound flights.

02:53:59 asciilifeform: homeland severity knows what your claimed origin point is.

02:54:41 diametric: honestly, though, ebola has an R0 of 2, its less serious than measles which thanks to anti-vax nutters is making a huge comeback. If theres anything to honestly be really worried about, its measles.

02:54:43 asciilifeform: (can fake it, sure. in rich country, penalty - deportation; poor countries - bullet)

02:55:15 diametric: i find it kind of interesting though, you were in the camp of ebola isn't a serious problem for a first world country when we talked about it a few months ago.

02:55:34 decimation: diametric: even assuming that ebola doesn't transmit very well, wouldn't it make sense to attempt some level of quarantine?

02:55:43 *: asciilifeform bought the party line from u.s. army textbook on subject earlier

02:56:25 diametric: decimation: of course, but i think thats happening. (re; the idiot that sneezed and said "sorry i came from africa"

02:56:33 decimation: http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/10/11/the-coming-plague/

02:56:34 assbot: The Coming Plague | West Hunter

02:57:19 decimation: http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/10/03/disaster-in-the-south-pacific/

02:57:21 assbot: Disaster in the South Pacific | West Hunter

02:57:47 decimation: "Washington didn’t micro-manage American Samoa, not being all that interested. A policy of benign neglect was interpreted by Poyer as an opportunity to act on his best judgment, in the finest traditions of the US Navy. He imposed quarantine. That was harder that it sounds, because of the frequent family visits between West Samoa and American Samoa – but Poyer also had the support of the local chiefs, who understood how

02:57:49 decimation: serious imported epidemics could be. The people of American Samoa self-blockaded, on top of official quarantine: they sent out canoes to stop any and all visitors. They never had a single case."

02:57:49 asciilifeform: http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/their-lying-eyes

02:57:50 assbot: Their Lying Eyes | West Hunter

02:58:30 diametric: man its feeling a bit like fox news in here, trying to convince me I already have ebola

02:59:03 asciilifeform: what does fox news prescribe for ebola ?

02:59:14 diametric: jesus

02:59:21 asciilifeform: t-shirt with elephant logo to be buried in ?

02:59:22 diametric: take two every night.

02:59:22 asciilifeform: lol

02:59:44 decimation: diametric: this is one of these 'tough calls' that the man-children who pretend to run the usg need to actually make

02:59:55 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what does fox news prescribe for ebola ? << The more important question is where are those magic tobacco plants growing those antibodies

03:01:35 decimation: asciilifeform: it seems that guy (Mr. Cochran) has some axes he is grinding

03:01:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in exactly the same place as the goats growing recombinant butyrylcholinesterase (antidote+prophylactic against organophosphate poisoning, $30k+ a dose at current production methods)

03:02:00 asciilifeform: that is - just enough for the Folks Who Matter (tm)

03:03:10 diametric: we're still only sitting at one infection contracted in the US, a nurse that didn't follow the proper protocol when dealing with the index patient (who is now dead). I'm not seeing the incoming pandemic yet.

03:03:37 decimation: diametric: if you read my first link above, the guy comes to the same conclusion

03:03:58 decimation: the question is, how many extra us citizen deaths are worth not 'shutting down' travel from africa, whatever that means?

03:03:59 asciilifeform: no big secret that the policy is to wait for the pandemic, yes.

03:04:33 asciilifeform: after pandemic, the flights will shutter. but different ones - flights out of usa.

03:04:43 asciilifeform: because who in their right mind will let these land?

03:05:08 diametric: its deja vu for me, i had this nearly identical conversation with a friend over sars way back when.

03:05:16 diametric: and then again for swine flu

03:05:28 The20YearIRCloud: And we started monitoring almost immediately

03:05:36 asciilifeform: fatality for swine flu was close to nil.

03:06:02 The20YearIRCloud: If my understanding was right, the infection rate from swine flu was higher, but overall mortality was less

03:06:03 decimation: diametric: yeah the difference is we know the fatality rate for ebola is double digits

03:06:17 The20YearIRCloud: A girl in my town came very, very close to death from swine flu, but normal flu kills quite a few each year

03:06:19 dub: we don't know that

03:06:32 diametric: we know the fatality rate for ebola if you're a poor african man is double digits.

03:06:35 decimation: although to be fair, we don't know how people with actual medical care will fair

03:06:43 decimation: diametric: yeah that's a good point

03:06:50 asciilifeform: so far, 50% (sample of... 6 ?)

03:07:06 asciilifeform: the thing is, 'actual medical care' for the afflicted is possible when you have a handful.

03:07:17 diametric: 6?

03:07:19 asciilifeform: and doctors are willing to approach them, and resources available

03:07:22 BingoBoingo: If they survive ebola die by the bill

03:07:26 The20YearIRCloud: It's high in the US too, the difference is here it's not as liekly transmissable, nor as lethal, and there's extreme economic incentive to prevent or treat it

03:07:42 asciilifeform: how transmissible - let's ask again next month.

03:07:43 The20YearIRCloud: The flu kills plenty in Africa too, but our death rate from yearly flu is something like 0.02%

03:08:14 diametric: asciilifeform: we know how transmissible, even in a country like africa where large families share rooms, the average person only infects 1.5 other people.

03:08:25 dub: where are teh bitbets? 50K US deaths by chrimbus

03:08:29 decimation: right, so r < 1.0

03:08:45 diametric: I've heard numbers ranging from 0.5 to 2 for r

03:08:51 diametric: which is nothing compared to 18 of measles.

03:09:50 mircea_popescu: so these people here are fucking obsessed with dolce de leche

03:09:53 diametric: pertussis is like 15 or something.

03:09:58 mircea_popescu: i expect they make furniture out of the thing too

03:10:10 mircea_popescu: so i go buy chocolate dipped figs. only to discover, the motherfucking figs

03:10:14 mircea_popescu: ARE STUFFED IN TURN

03:10:16 mircea_popescu: with dolce de leche

03:10:22 asciilifeform: diametric: measles is entirely uninteresting to the vaccinated.

03:10:31 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel which part and wherefore

03:10:45 *: asciilifeform is quite certainly obsessed with dulce de leche...

03:10:55 decimation: diametric: I agree with you that ebola in the us likely has r << 1.0, and will not be a pandemic

03:10:57 diametric: asciilifeform: it shouldn't be, thanks to your local anti-vaxxers who are breeding colonies of non-vaccinated measles carrying people, new mutations are likely.

03:11:21 decimation: but that's cold comfort for the couple of people who will die because "we can't control travel from africa"

03:11:35 diametric: so far nobody has died from uncontrolled travel from africa.

03:11:48 asciilifeform: the nurse still lives?

03:11:51 diametric: yes

03:12:10 decimation: that's true, there's only been one case of transmission in the us, the nurse in texas

03:12:14 diametric: the only person in the US that has died from ebola was the african guy that came here and was already very sick.

03:12:17 mircea_popescu: <diametric> honestly, though, ebola has an R0 of 2, its less serious than measles << this is relying on a whole string of assumptions.

03:12:30 mircea_popescu: like saying "this hooker's like 50 lbs, she's a lot less dangerous than mike in accounting"

03:12:37 mircea_popescu: sure, but the hooker's got aids and a heroin habit.

03:12:59 diametric: less serious in the chances of you getting ebola.

03:13:07 diametric: than say of an unvaccinated person getting measles.

03:13:37 mircea_popescu: this may be true on an individual level. but large scale biologic phenomena have their own emergent properties.

03:13:48 diametric: asciilifeform: it kind of surprises me. if anything, i feel as though the media, and in part the usg, is making ebola sound way more serious in order to keep people in a state of panic. and you're falling right for it.

03:14:03 mircea_popescu: in short, you have nfi what happens once it reaches the magical 2% i think it was ?

03:14:08 Adlai: growing up against a backdrop of sars and assorted flu mutations has vaccinated me against pandemophobia

03:14:19 decimation: diametric: I agree with you that 'anti-vaxxers' are a bigger threat than ebola

03:14:26 Adlai: ebola seriously could not be lower on my waiting list of fuckstogive

03:14:26 decimation: at least in the us

03:14:57 asciilifeform: ebola is interesting not because 'it's coming' but because usg clearly intends to let it walk at leisure.

03:15:04 diametric: decimation: 2013 was the worst in the last 17 years for measles, entirely due to anti-vaxxers. last thing i want, is measles moving around, and having more chances to mutate.

03:15:31 diametric: asciilifeform: i'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion based on a single nurse that didn't follow the rules getting ebola to the usg has let it walk at leisure.

03:15:44 asciilifeform: spanish nurse also did not follow rules?

03:15:51 diametric: she touched her fucking eyes the last i heard.

03:15:55 asciilifeform: after how many nurses do we conclude that they are all simply tired of living?

03:15:56 diametric: with her gloves.

03:16:13 asciilifeform: or that 'the rules' are not quite, the rules

03:16:15 Adlai: i'm more scared of a friend overestimating his own drunk/high driving abilities and killing me before widespread deployment of self-driving cars, than i am of dying of any pandemic, ever

03:16:26 diametric: asciilifeform: well a lot more than 2 right now.

03:16:34 mircea_popescu: Adlai sure, but again, the mass effects are of concern.

03:16:45 Adlai: yeah they really need to release that sequel already

03:16:54 mircea_popescu: for instance, if a fire breaks out in a crowded place, being trampled is more dangerous than being burned

03:17:18 Adlai: note to self: winds are calmest at the epicenter

03:17:40 asciilifeform: in usa, we know how to get trampled even without fire

03:17:44 diametric: unless you're at a great white concert.

03:17:46 dub: you forget this is libertard holy grail, fully half of all bitcoiners are sitting in the bunker cleaning ar15 right now

03:17:50 asciilifeform: in fact, the yearly holiday where this traditionally takes place is coming soon

03:18:09 diametric: its not black friday until a walmart patron is trampled to death.

03:18:13 asciilifeform: dub: we're cleaning stone knives, most can't afford auto

03:18:16 BingoBoingo: <dub> you forget this is libertard holy grail, fully half of all bitcoiners are sitting in the bunker cleaning ar15 right now << AR-15 is rather heavy for a walk to the exit

03:18:29 Adlai: TIL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicenter#Misuse_of_the_term

03:18:29 assbot: Epicenter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

03:18:33 decimation: dub: are you saying that obama is walking ebola to keep the republicans at home for the elections?

03:18:38 mircea_popescu: <dub> where are teh bitbets? 50K US deaths by chrimbus << make it.

03:19:08 asciilifeform: badbet?

03:19:13 asciilifeform: like 'reichstag burns' given in faq ?

03:19:17 mircea_popescu: dub moar like on reddit

03:19:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun see it. pandemic is act of god.

03:19:37 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: IQ isn't all physiology, ie, genetics. Your iq is in part dependent on your epileptics. So, yes, "there’s a lot to the functioning of the brain that’s purely cultural, and thus ethnic" but that "black kids immersed into white culture could in principle get the same IQ measurements as white kids" does not follow. Blacks have smaller brains and lower iq because of their genetics - placing them in a

03:19:37 gabriel_laddel: 'white' environment does not fix this. see, http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/2008%20Med%20Hypotheses.pdf

03:19:39 mircea_popescu: eminently insurable.

03:19:40 asciilifeform: except when not

03:19:51 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel epileptics ?!

03:19:55 asciilifeform: !!

03:19:59 asciilifeform: spellchecker blip ?

03:20:03 asciilifeform: probably meant 'epigenetics' ?

03:20:09 decimation: seems like a 'force majeure' clause to me

03:20:19 mircea_popescu: anyway, the brain size is not necessarily a predictor of anything. my amd quad is smaller than an old pentium

03:20:31 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: fml, spellchecker. epigenetics.

03:20:38 diametric: the incoming ebola pandemic is brought to you by the evil nazi atheist muslim obama, and his horde of unbelieving non-republican swine that infect our great god fearing nation.

03:20:44 mircea_popescu: the genetics underpinnign cognitive function is debatable and poorly understood.

03:20:53 mircea_popescu: hence "could in principle" is correct.

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03:21:53 mircea_popescu: it doesn't mean much more than, this empty bottle of soda could in principle be gasoline.

03:21:54 Adlai: it's amazing just how unrelated brain volume and intelligence are

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03:22:09 decimation: diametric: a nontrival portion of the us population probably believes this

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03:22:16 diametric: decimation: i know.

03:22:28 diametric: my aunt is one of them.

03:22:32 asciilifeform: Adlai: now go and see reaction time vs. intelligence (take your pick of any known simple test for either of the two)

03:22:46 diametric: she once told me she literally believes obama is the anti-christ.

03:22:47 asciilifeform: Adlai: disturbingly close. 0.8, if i recall.

03:22:54 mircea_popescu: decimation diametric would one of you consider perhaps changing nick ? you're hitting a total blind spot with me, you're like figs and dates, i keep confusing you!

03:23:02 asciilifeform: diametric: http://pbfcomics.com/209 << relevant

03:23:02 assbot: The Perry Bible Fellowship

03:23:28 Adlai: asciilifeform: interesting. the only correlation i can think of for reaction time would be that of overall size, or rather, the length which nerve signals need to travel

03:23:33 diametric: i'll change my nick for 10 bitcoin.

03:23:40 asciilifeform: lol!

03:23:42 Adlai: spiders move so quickly because their brain is right there

03:23:46 mircea_popescu: i am but a poor evil overlord!

03:24:05 mircea_popescu: Adlai nah. because they're hidraulic

03:24:08 mircea_popescu: they don't use muscles.

03:24:29 asciilifeform: Adlai: if i recall, hypothesis involves impedance matching - same reason folks with damaged myelin sheaths lose theirs.

03:24:34 Adlai: why not both?

03:24:47 mircea_popescu: Adlai because similar sized insects aren't that fast.

03:24:49 mircea_popescu: take a small slug

03:24:55 asciilifeform: Adlai: better impedance matching - smoother function of nervous system, both central and peripheral, all else equal

03:25:09 *: Adlai is not knowledgeable enough about slug anatomy to respond

03:25:25 asciilifeform: i suspect you'll get an even tighter number if you factor out arm length (test for reaction time usually involves light and buttons)

03:26:28 Adlai: what is a "known simple test" for "intelligence", though?

03:26:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as far as i recall the better studies were done by the russians, measuring eye movements

03:26:40 asciilifeform: Adlai: pick your favourite.

03:26:40 Adlai: or rather, "which intelligence"?

03:26:40 mircea_popescu: to focus and to adjust.

03:26:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, i did read that one.

03:26:55 Adlai: ooh, that's good

03:27:02 mircea_popescu: eyes are remarkably even across populatiobs

03:27:09 mircea_popescu: even when ethnically disjunct

03:27:12 Adlai: a lot less nerve length, and less variance between individuals

03:27:18 mircea_popescu: quite.

03:27:40 mircea_popescu: it's what i mostly use to score individuals in proxmity, too.

03:27:40 Adlai: the really steady metric is distance between pupil centers

03:28:02 Adlai: really useful for computer vision

03:28:34 Adlai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpupillary_distance#Databases

03:28:34 assbot: Interpupillary distance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

03:28:47 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: "the genetics underpinnign cognitive function is debatable and poorly understood." really now? I looked into this, there is no debate on the matter of race / iq / genetics (there is however, lots of screaming). What genes specifically determine iq is definitely up for debate.

03:28:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's what i mostly use to score individuals << whatchado, flip the lights on & off and watch the pets sort out the room ?

03:28:50 decimation: http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0080341

03:28:53 assbot: PLOS ONE: Strong Genetic Influence on a UK Nationwide Test of Educational Achievement at the End of Compulsory Education at Age 16

03:29:12 BingoBoingo: <Adlai> what is a "known simple test" for "intelligence", though? << Measured intoxication

03:29:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, just watch people respond to stimuli.

03:29:26 Adlai: BingoBoingo: ?

03:29:45 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: from linked paper "National IQs have been reported for 192 countries around the world. The results show that the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; for US Blacks about 85, and for sub-Saharan African Blacks about 70. The same rank-order of race differences is found for ‘‘culture-fair’’ tests and reaction-time measures. Reaction-time tasks are so easy that al

03:29:45 gabriel_laddel: l children can do them in less than one second. More intelligent children, measured by conventional IQ tests, perform faster on these tasks. East Asians average faster reaction times than Whites who, in turn, have faster reaction times than Blacks."

03:29:57 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Get someone to hit a controlled amount on a breathalyzer and have them do math

03:30:25 Adlai: that only tests "intelligence" as it relates to the types of "math" in your test

03:30:52 asciilifeform: how come we never hear anyone arguing that there is no such thing as 'strength'

03:30:59 mircea_popescu: lol

03:30:59 gabriel_laddel: Adlai: can't tell if you're trolling.

03:31:13 *: Adlai isn't

03:31:14 asciilifeform: and that a circus weight-lifter isn't the least bit strong, because perhaps my arse muscle is stronger yet than his biceps

03:31:35 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel there are many countless objections to bring. for instance, the country with a guy at 300 and three guys at 50 is better than the country with three guys at 150 ?

03:31:50 Adlai: "intelligence" is a very nebulous concept. you can get precise measures for precise definitions of it, but i'm not too interested in who can do long division faster in their head

03:32:18 mircea_popescu: averaging nonlinear measurements is a fine example of having passed through college unattained.

03:32:20 Adlai: let's test correlation between reaction time and dual N-back

03:32:40 asciilifeform: Adlai: the army where you live, when you come to enlist, measures strength. do they do it by asking you to carry a crippled fellow man from a burning tank? or using an arbitrary quick test?

03:33:05 Adlai: they don't measure strength when you come to enlist :P

03:33:14 Adlai: where do you think I live?

03:33:18 asciilifeform: perhaps i should move there, and enlist

03:33:24 mircea_popescu: what do they measure now ? "sensitivity" ?

03:33:24 asciilifeform: what else don't they measure ?

03:33:25 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: well, for what purpose?

03:33:25 Adlai: you should probably not

03:33:39 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i dunno, your research papers.

03:33:54 Adlai: when you enlist, they measure "quality" (literal translation) using secret methods

03:34:11 Adlai: everybody goes through the tests, most people know their results, but the actual method of calculating the results is top sekrit

03:34:13 mircea_popescu: what are you in, like finland ?

03:34:25 BingoBoingo: <Adlai> that only tests "intelligence" as it relates to the types of "math" in your test << Well in the later rounds it test how well a brain functions when dampened

03:34:29 asciilifeform: and none of the methods involve a bar bell, scale, measuring tape ?

03:34:48 Adlai: this "quality group" metric is supposed to indicate intelligence

03:35:13 Adlai: physical strength is only evaluated in entrance exams to various units which require it, and these usually test stamina more than raw strength

03:35:42 decimation: asciilifeform: actually the australian army studied this: http://publications.amsus.org/doi/full/10.7205/MILMED-D-12-00423

03:36:03 decimation: " Current assessments measuring muscular endurance (push-ups and sit-ups), although providing some relationship to firefighting tasks,22–24 do not measure a soldier's ability to lift and carry equipment with the ecological validity of a task-specific assessment. An appropriate assessment would involve lifting and carrying an item in each hand (replicating the hose carry upstairs)."

03:36:21 asciilifeform: lol!

03:36:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.0007398 = 2.0345 BTC [+]

03:36:28 asciilifeform: firefighter carries nothing heavier than a hose?

03:36:29 asciilifeform: say, a man

03:36:34 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the paper isn't arguring "better" simply that iq holds for races across environments.

03:36:44 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel that iq AVERAGES

03:36:56 mircea_popescu: iqs are not linear, and im not even sure they're scalars at all.

03:37:02 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: yes. thank you.

03:37:05 mircea_popescu: hence averages are of vehehery limited usefulness.

03:37:15 decimation: yeah, dr. obvious probably co-wrote that study

03:37:26 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel in short, im not denying a lot of work has been done. i'm just saying, i'm skeptical.

03:37:35 Adlai: the only army-wide test which supposedly measures strength that i'm aware of involves pushups and situps, and i can count on one hand the number of times i saw it administered without the vast majority of people cheating

03:38:28 Adlai: cheating = you pair up and count for eachother. the soldier counting is supposed to count out loud, but when there are twenty people counting out loud and one or two officers supervising, you can count by twos, threes, or tens, and they don't notice

03:38:43 mircea_popescu: Adlai apparently testing for intelligence would help this army

03:38:48 mircea_popescu: at least at the officer level.

03:39:03 mircea_popescu: i'd have you court martialed if you counted by three. and i would notice.

03:39:18 Adlai: there's a separate metric for a soldier's applicability to being an officer

03:39:19 decimation: usg tests its officers for intelligence

03:39:30 *: Adlai was top intelligence and zero officer applicability

03:39:55 mircea_popescu: decimation yeah, but they don't really manage to attract that much talent somehow.

03:40:04 mircea_popescu: i dunno what it is, the russians have the secret to this.

03:40:30 Adlai: do intelligent russians have attractive prospects outside of a military career?

03:40:44 mircea_popescu: well there's always a cab in ny...

03:40:51 asciilifeform: they can move to usa and massage machines, yes.

03:41:03 asciilifeform: whether that's 'attactive' - you decide.

03:41:13 Adlai: a large problem for militaries in generalized anglophonia is keeping the military career attractive to local talent

03:41:40 mircea_popescu: well perhaps not running the military like it were an idiot reservation bound for the special olympics might help.

03:41:49 mircea_popescu: if you review the us record, from korea to the latest iraq...

03:42:00 mircea_popescu: i don't think they have YET had any sort of objective.

03:42:16 mircea_popescu: kinda hard to attract smart people that way.

03:42:31 decimation: yeah I agree with mircea_popescu, it's a 'big picture' problem

03:42:42 Adlai: national militaries are still trying to wrap their head around how to fight an enemy that isn't another large military

03:42:52 decimation: modern usg officer is told to pacify locals without using any tools that would actually be effective

03:43:03 mats_cd03: counterinsurgency has been a staple of various militaries for decades.

03:43:24 Adlai: doesn't mean they're any good at it, yet

03:43:28 mircea_popescu: yeah mats_cd03 has it, look how nicely the russians did everywhere since the 90s.

03:43:29 mats_cd03: school of americas, what have you. politicians are now executing military policy, thats all.

03:43:39 decimation: they used to be, what about the pacification of germany and japan?

03:43:45 mats_cd03: they're plenty good at it, just not where you think they'd be good at it.

03:43:50 mircea_popescu: neither of these were hard tasks decimation

03:43:56 mats_cd03: see: columbia.

03:44:02 mircea_popescu: the germans were thrilled to be relieved from the russians.

03:44:08 Adlai: well and also some wars aren't meant to be over in a week, that doesn't pull a heavy budget

03:44:12 mircea_popescu: the japanese had a bunch of orgasms and were in that female wax phase.

03:44:36 Adlai: war is peace and all that

03:44:43 mats_cd03: some people, like me, are of the opinion that enough money wasn't spent to quell the iraqi and afghan insurgencies

03:44:57 mats_cd03: should've been $trillions, instead of $xxx bn.

03:45:02 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 you probably realise the only correct solution there was to make iraq 51st state

03:45:06 mats_cd03: see: marshall plan.

03:45:09 mircea_popescu: anything short of that was going to fail.

03:45:14 mats_cd03: pretty much.

03:45:27 mircea_popescu: so you know... we're not going to do it. well then... why are you here ?

03:45:44 decimation: mircea_popescu: that's obviously the right answer, but note how absolutely no one with anywhere near actual power has even floated that idea

03:45:50 mircea_popescu: ironically, it'd have fixed the crisis, too.

03:45:51 mats_cd03: misguided politicking, imo

03:45:58 Adlai: this is assuming that it should have been $xxxxxxxxx instead of $0 in the first place

03:46:20 mircea_popescu: decimation in public ? nobody would, either. except for me, i keep talking about all sorts of things that shouldn't be in public, much to everyone's shhock and horror.

03:46:33 Adlai: *awe

03:47:03 decimation: but what about 'freedom of speech' 'marketplace of ideas' and all that other bullshit

03:47:15 mircea_popescu: you familiar with the platonic concept of "the great lie" ?

03:47:23 mircea_popescu: great as in very good, not as in very big

03:47:27 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> i think a vanishingly small minority of parents actually adds value through parenting. << the "how to parent well" resources are well drowned in noise

03:47:28 decimation: like 'the noble lie'?

03:47:32 mircea_popescu: right

03:47:42 ben_vulpes: "beatings, frequently", is probably the best advice i've ever gotten.

03:47:45 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes also, kids can't parent. it takes adults.

03:48:01 ben_vulpes: when do i become an adult?

03:48:18 mircea_popescu: generally, after you've been hurt and digested it.

03:48:20 *: ben_vulpes noticed no phase change

03:50:06 Adlai: ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf02nx_a2RQ

03:50:07 assbot: George Carlin - Old Fuck - YouTube

03:51:38 Adlai: mircea_popescu: kids can't parent. it takes adults. « tell that to eleven-child families in the west bank where the oldest daughters are effectively mothers to the others

03:51:49 mircea_popescu: those aren't children.

03:51:57 mircea_popescu: there's no age limit, you can be an adult at about 12.

03:52:15 mircea_popescu: most english as a single language kids i meet aren't adults at 30.

03:52:33 The20YearIRCloud: Varies greatly person by person

03:52:51 Adlai: seriously how are we defining "adult" here

03:53:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now try and tell this to american, and usually he will nod enthusiastically, and after you say '...30' he will answer: 'naturally! they won't even agree to sign up for mortgage!'

03:53:20 mircea_popescu: lol

03:53:32 mircea_popescu: Adlai "having been hurt and digested it"

03:53:36 Adlai: although i guess internet arguments are more fun when people don't even know how vastly their assumptions and definitions are outta wack

03:53:45 Adlai: interesting definition...

03:53:50 mircea_popescu: well you can readily fix that, read the log.

03:53:57 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what were your categories again? "learning by watching" "learning by reading" ...

03:54:11 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes im not sure what's the context ?

03:54:18 ben_vulpes: i'm trying to remember myself

03:54:20 asciilifeform: ...'must piss on the electric fence personally'

03:54:26 asciilifeform: (3rd type)

03:54:49 ben_vulpes: some people must learn by watching and we call them X; some people learn by reading and we call them Y...

03:55:01 Adlai: the best kinds of misunderstandings are the ones not yet present in the logs

03:55:06 ben_vulpes: ah yes ty asciilifeform

03:55:19 ben_vulpes: some must learn by pissing on the fence themselves, and we call them...

03:55:48 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19cL0RuJx4E

03:55:48 assbot: The Male Disease - George Carlin - YouTube

03:56:01 Adlai: one thing i did like about the army is that the core text on safety and risk assesment is titled "Learning from Others' Mistakes"

03:56:39 Adlai: mircea_popescu: waitwaitwait women aren't full of shit and don't want to be in control all the time?

03:56:43 asciilifeform: that's SOP for any serious safety class

03:57:28 decimation: I find watching such movies enjoyable, there's a whole collection here: http://www.csb.gov/videos/

03:57:29 assbot: CSB Safety Message Highlighting Important Role of Recommendations Program in Agency Mission - Safety Messges - Multimedia | the U.S. Chemical Safety Board

04:00:37 Adlai: the hilarious thing is how enforcement of a safety regulation is inversely proportional to how likely it is to be necessary for the current situation

04:01:02 Adlai: so you get lots of great rules, but only the most tedious and irrelevant ones are actually enforced

04:01:38 Adlai: causing soldiers who don't understand the background behind any of it to believe all the rules are uniformly irrelevant

04:13:04 mats_cd03: http://www.necn.com/news/health/Patient-Isolated-for-Ebola-Symptoms-in-Braintree-Mass-278946321.html nice knowing you guys

04:13:04 assbot: Mass. Patient Isolated, Transported for Possible Ebola Symptoms | NECN

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04:18:01 mircea_popescu: Adlai i dunno, ask carlin eh

04:18:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31372 @ 0.00073988 = 23.2115 BTC [+] {2}

04:18:45 Adlai: y u mek me cry

04:18:47 mircea_popescu: and what's an example of a great rule ?

04:19:42 Adlai: wearing fireproof gloves when handling AFV engine innards

04:20:18 Adlai: but you're also supposed to wear them for pretty much everything else you do, and you only get called out on not wearing them when higher-ups can actually see your hands, ie, not when it's actually important to wear them

04:24:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00074009 = 8.548 BTC [+]

04:26:37 mircea_popescu: i doubt that's such a great rule.

04:27:05 mircea_popescu: why would there be fire coming out of the engine ?

04:30:39 Adlai: there shouldn't be, but it can get hot enough to burn your hands, and stays that hot for longer than the average soldier would expect

04:31:08 mircea_popescu: isn't it actually bad for the parts to work on them while too hot to touch ?

04:31:28 mircea_popescu: as in, tigthen a screw, once it cools it's screwed ?

04:31:59 Adlai: i've never seen anybody do that level of work on a hot engine, usually it's just things like oil checking

04:32:16 mircea_popescu: that's visual inspection ne ?

04:32:19 Adlai: there's even one oil check that's supposed to be done while the engine is running although nobody ever did that

04:32:44 mircea_popescu: they don't still use the retractable thinger do they ?

04:32:51 Adlai: yes, m113 engine has those

04:33:00 mircea_popescu: o.O

04:33:10 mircea_popescu: better safety rule... put some damned electronics on the engine block

04:33:19 Adlai: you pull it out, wipe it clean, put it back in, pull it out again, find a light source, see that the oil smeared all over while you were carrying it, wipe it off, etc

04:34:17 Adlai: some of these fuckers are over 50 years old

04:34:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, people doing fine movements generally don't want to wear gloves because bulky and unwieldy

04:35:47 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> well there's always a cab in ny...

04:35:48 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> they can move to usa and massage machines, yes. << bashed

04:35:50 Adlai: of course, people hate wearing these gloves

04:36:17 Adlai: a better safety rule would only require them during the actually dangerous operations

04:36:36 Adlai: but it would probably be ignored since "ALWAYS WEAR THEM" is much easier to enforce for stupid supervisors

04:36:43 mircea_popescu: see, when i think great safety rule i think things like "don't place your heaviest pans highest in your kitchen"

04:36:49 mircea_popescu: costs you just as much to put them there as anywhere else

04:36:56 mircea_popescu: but you WILL get a bump or two if you break it

04:37:38 Adlai: don't ask me about kitchen safety, i nearly burned my house down yesterday

04:37:41 ben_vulpes: not that you get the energy back from putting them up high...

04:37:53 Adlai: at least i had the good sense not to throw water on the burning oil O_o

04:38:18 mircea_popescu: or rub it all over your butt

04:39:54 mircea_popescu: incidentally, this guy married the hottest chick i ever saw. like 19 too, some hick chick.

04:40:08 mircea_popescu: she spent the honeymoon in the hospital because she rendered some fat, and then poured in a large, thick glass container

04:40:14 mircea_popescu: which cracked and spilled all over her

04:40:59 mircea_popescu: doctor spent like three hours extracting hot oil and glass shards from her crack and legs

04:41:44 Adlai: how do you even find all the shards in a case like that

04:41:53 ben_vulpes: ain't no training going to fix that kind of stupid

04:41:57 mircea_popescu: they have a special thingee

04:42:01 mircea_popescu: refraction something or the other

04:42:11 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes she was the fucking stereotipical dumb hottie.

04:42:16 ben_vulpes: refract through thigh flesh?

04:42:25 ben_vulpes: color me unconvinced.

04:42:26 Adlai: well you could train people to just not cook at home, either eat out or order takeaway

04:42:33 Adlai: we can draw the line at microwaving leftovers

04:42:37 ben_vulpes: no no you train them to cook *for* you.

04:42:43 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you put a high powered flashlight against your palm you'll see some light go through a mm or two

04:42:48 Adlai: sounds like that's what she was trying to do

04:42:50 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ever read ringworld?

04:42:54 mircea_popescu: dun think so

04:43:06 ben_vulpes: one of the more entertaining devices is the human "birth lotto"

04:43:19 ben_vulpes: this leads to a breeding of the populace for luck

04:43:31 ben_vulpes: book features an extraordinarily clumsy girl who is also extremely lucky.

04:43:41 ben_vulpes: hijinks ensue.

04:43:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: three hours extracting hot oil and glass shards from her crack and legs << try this on for size: http://www.bards.ru/archives/part.php?id=15568

04:43:46 assbot: - " , -..."

04:43:48 mircea_popescu: nod a bad premise

04:43:55 mircea_popescu: lol assbot has it eh

04:43:58 ben_vulpes: niven yo

04:44:06 ben_vulpes: known for the "not a bad premise" book

04:44:16 ben_vulpes: see also "mote in gods eye" "gripping hand"

04:44:23 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes anyway, she was just... i dunno, her bubble was neverendingly shockingly short. you could rarely predict what she won't foresee

04:44:42 ben_vulpes: sounds like fun, at a distance, and on someone else's bill.

04:44:50 mircea_popescu: my thoughts exactly.

04:45:12 ben_vulpes: i'm content with being the dish-breaker and singer of things around these parts.

04:45:30 ben_vulpes: the office has dubbed me the {{oaf,hulk}}

04:45:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform оклематься ?

04:45:53 ben_vulpes: refrain is: "BEN SMASH"

04:46:05 mircea_popescu: ben smash, ben hurr, ben derp!

04:46:29 ben_vulpes: half the time it's entirely on purpose, as the thing was never built for use outside delicate programmer hands.

04:46:31 decimation: mircea_popescu: in the us all of the old 'glass cookware' that used to be made of borosilicate has been switched to plate glass

04:46:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~= 'shake it off'

04:46:54 ben_vulpes: decimation: and not just plate, but pre-stressed plate!

04:47:04 mircea_popescu: decimation uh... why ?

04:47:13 ben_vulpes: decimation: so as to not just crack when over-stressed, but to rupture catastrophically!

04:47:19 mircea_popescu: anyway, this device would have been fine, if she knew how to pour

04:47:32 Adlai: more efficient selection against stupidity?

04:47:43 mircea_popescu: Из полузапретных катакомб, ahahha wtf.

04:47:57 decimation: http://nowiknow.com/the-war-against-pyrex/ because it's cheaper and supposedly 'shatters better' when dropped

04:47:58 assbot: Now I Know – The War Against Pyrex

04:48:04 decimation: it's another example of hidden inflation

04:48:18 ben_vulpes: 'cept that pyrex doesn't shatter when dropped.

04:48:28 mircea_popescu: http://www.hickchicktours.com/ << check this ecommerce site.

04:48:29 assbot: Home - Hick Chick Tours

04:48:41 mircea_popescu: decimation what the fuck jesus.

04:49:01 decimation: "As a result, the drug trade needed to find another way to obtain borosilicate glass. The unintended consequence of World Kitchen’s switch? An uptick in theft from an unlikely place. As PopSci so eloquently notes, “[the crack-making] industry was forced to switch from measuring cups purchased at Walmart to test tubes and beakers stolen from labs.”"

04:49:43 *: ben_vulpes misses the good stuff

04:49:47 ben_vulpes: ahhhh-merica.

04:50:00 *: Adlai loves the taxis in NYC tho

04:50:07 ben_vulpes: good god how

04:50:15 ben_vulpes: how can one love anything about nyc

04:50:18 ben_vulpes: actually no hang on

04:50:26 ben_vulpes: the great wall of garbage once per week was pretty cool

04:50:26 Adlai: getting locked into the cab until you pay

04:50:40 ben_vulpes: also the giant wall of black slush during snowfalls

04:50:41 Adlai: junkie-proof walls keeping the cabbie secure

04:50:43 Adlai: what's not to love

04:50:52 ben_vulpes: hm

04:50:59 ben_vulpes: that shoe store on 14th is p cool

04:51:08 decimation: one wonders if usg didn't pressure corning as part of the 'war on useful objects' err 'war on drugs'

04:51:15 ben_vulpes: but the 'choclatier' next door was always the wackness

04:51:26 mircea_popescu: basically in another decade the us will be like africa.

04:51:31 decimation: why do you need a 'tour' to pub crawl?

04:51:32 ben_vulpes: will be?

04:51:43 mircea_popescu: "sure we have very good everything here sir, made of straw, good quality top notch"

04:51:46 ben_vulpes: portland already wants me to sort my compostables for them

04:52:05 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> how can one love anything about nyc << i love the taxis there too

04:52:12 mircea_popescu: haven't been since like 2003, but anyway.

04:52:22 ben_vulpes: i mean you pay them, they go places, it's a simple exchange

04:52:24 ben_vulpes: but love?

04:52:26 ben_vulpes: that's a bit strong

04:52:35 mircea_popescu: ever told you about my find a hotel adventure ?

04:52:41 ben_vulpes: noooo

04:52:57 mircea_popescu: i take a cab out of grand central, tell the kid i want a hotel, kinda close and not too expensive

04:53:16 mircea_popescu: he takes me to a hotel like ten blocks away, costs me 100 a night. nice room and everything.

04:53:18 mircea_popescu: black kid, too.

04:53:30 Adlai: mircea_popescu: you should see the touchscreen computers they have now to keep passengers from yakking at the cabbies, complete with a GPS map of your path through the city... almost feels like an airplane

04:53:47 ben_vulpes: pfwat

04:53:51 Adlai: pfyes

04:53:53 ben_vulpes: 100/D in nyc?

04:53:55 ben_vulpes: not you, Adlai

04:54:01 mircea_popescu: whole thing took ten minutes, that guy probably did more for me than half the gradschool educated people i ever employed, on a percentile basis

04:54:02 Adlai: FINE

04:54:14 ben_vulpes: i'm familiar with those too, Adlai

04:54:26 mircea_popescu: Adlai but i like talking to the cabbies.

04:54:32 ben_vulpes: the NYC version is really awesome, what with rebooting into "LOUD MODE"

04:54:41 ben_vulpes: in pdx that shit starts up muted

04:54:57 ben_vulpes: you can even derp your card in before the trip ends to expedite egress from vehicle

04:54:57 mircea_popescu: ifucking hate lcds in neckrests.

04:55:12 mircea_popescu: and i wouldn't poay with a card wtf.

04:55:19 Adlai: mircea_popescu: actually the one cabbie i had an heart2heart with tracked us down ten minutes later to return my friend's iphone whateverthelatestis

04:55:22 ben_vulpes: and we have a functioning economy, so cabbies don't lock the door

04:55:27 ben_vulpes: actually i should say

04:55:39 ben_vulpes: i have a healthy relationship with my cab co's and they don't lock the door on me

04:55:44 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: bad bezzlar!

04:55:56 decimation: London cabbies are amusing too. I remember one bitching about Pikeys squatting on some farmer's land and appealing to the EU court of human rights

04:56:06 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you know what ? i have never used a cc at a pos. ever.

04:56:08 Adlai: he was really nice considering my friend's dog got cabsick all over the backseat

04:56:42 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and i've not carried cash routinely since i stopped doing that thing that entailed always carrying cash. so?

04:56:56 mircea_popescu: fuck that, i'd rather go naked.

04:57:07 ben_vulpes: roll with cash in the states, get robbed by cops.

04:57:13 mircea_popescu: man must always carry enough cash to bribe a first instance judge

04:57:16 mircea_popescu: you never know.

04:57:17 asciilifeform: or even by ordinary robbers

04:57:31 decimation: ben_vulpes: how quickly do you think people in the us would start using cash if suddenly say the FDIC went away?

04:57:44 asciilifeform: (in usa, stolen cc is usually a non-issue, max liability is ~500 usd by statute)

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04:57:46 mircea_popescu: decimation i think he may have a point with the cop robbery

04:57:54 ben_vulpes: decimation: more likely to run a tab with your local providers, as I do.

04:58:08 decimation: yeah that's how they did it in 'frontier times'

04:58:09 ben_vulpes: actually mircea_popescu this is why i don't carry cash. all of my local providers know who i am and extend me credit at my request.

04:58:23 decimation: go to local store, run a tab, owner knows where you live..

04:58:25 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes suppose you meet a super hot chick.

04:58:30 mircea_popescu: ask her for credit too ?

04:58:35 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how do you settle the tabs? sacks of gold, delivered on mules?

04:58:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he does rockets.

04:58:57 mircea_popescu: wednesday evening, goes on balcony, starts firing

04:59:03 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nah, she asks me for credit

04:59:27 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pay with cash, get discount as merchants don't report cash intake and don't pay cc processing fees.

04:59:38 asciilifeform: all of my local providers know who i am and extend me credit at my request << this must be some other usa i've never been to

04:59:41 ben_vulpes: ofc i have to book the withdrawal as "profit", but...

04:59:45 mircea_popescu: you're exactly like a fucking mobster.

04:59:49 asciilifeform: or the planet from eric frank russel's 'and then there were none' tale

04:59:53 decimation: I've settled a few 'ebay' transactions where the tax was 'forgiven' if paid in cash

05:00:19 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: high praise, not deserving

05:00:25 ben_vulpes: i know a few tricks, that's about all.

05:00:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had this grocery store owner (african woman) that actually imported shit at my request. and delivered it, too.

05:00:43 mircea_popescu: it's possible, just gotta not live in wa-shit-ton i guess

05:00:46 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you live in the heart of the beast. i live in the heart of cascadia. our worlds are light years apart.

05:00:46 asciilifeform: in nyc?

05:00:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mass

05:01:07 decimation: "the hills are high and the emperor is far away"

05:01:13 asciilifeform: actually i have reasons to suspect that there are closed communities of people living approximately like people, even here

05:01:23 asciilifeform: but membership is generally by birth.

05:01:28 decimation: asciilifeform: I'm sure there are. In NYC the famous example is the jews

05:01:29 mircea_popescu: yeah but you don't like the sewers

05:01:34 ben_vulpes: quite literally, decimation. our hill is so high that our water supply flows from it.

05:01:37 ben_vulpes: ;;google bull run

05:01:38 gribble: First Battle of Bull Run - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Bull_Run; The Battle of Bull Run Summary & Facts | Civilwar.org: http://www.civilwar.org/battlefields/bullrun.html; Bullrun: http://bullrun.com/

05:01:45 ben_vulpes: ah, fy google

05:01:50 ben_vulpes: ;;google bull run reservoir

05:01:50 gribble: Bull Run River (Oregon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_Run_River_(Oregon); Bull Run Watershed | The City of Portland, Oregon: https://www.portlandoregon.gov/water/29784; Portland's Water System | The City of Portland, Oregon: https://www.portlandoregon.gov/water/48904

05:02:06 ben_vulpes: watershed, dorp.

05:02:40 decimation: ;;google nyc jew bus

05:02:41 gribble: Vamoose Bus - NYC | Maryland | Virginia: http://www.vamoosebus.com/; Bus Segregation of Jewish Women Prompts Review - NYTimes.com: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/nyregion/bus-segregation-of-jewish-women-prompts-review.html; Women Riding Brooklyn's B110 Bus Told To Sit In The Back ...: http://gothamist.com/2011/10/19/women_riding_the_b110_bus_in_brookl.php

05:02:49 ben_vulpes: anyways, sleep beckons and i gotta be on point for the boys next week.

05:03:34 ben_vulpes: leadership, as they say, starts at 6.

05:04:13 asciilifeform: idleness is on duty 24/7!

05:05:03 Adlai: lazyness waits for everybody

05:10:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24625 @ 0.00073982 = 18.2181 BTC [-] {2}

05:22:30 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

05:24:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61551 @ 0.00074264 = 45.7102 BTC [+] {2}

05:29:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21690 @ 0.00074281 = 16.1115 BTC [+] {2}

05:33:15 mircea_popescu: "Fuck yes we can. I have student loan debt. Am I going to pay it ? Nope. Not ever. Over my dead fucking body will they get a penny from me.

05:33:16 mircea_popescu: Why? Because I don't want to fund the evil banksters who prey on impressionable young 18 year olds who don't know jack shit about the world, 18-year olds who are pressured by society into college they can't afford."

05:33:19 mircea_popescu: lol this is going to end well

05:35:57 TheNewDeal: has to be a usian, amiright?

05:35:59 decimation: sounds like the people who just stop paying taxes, irs comes, gasenwagen, gulag

05:36:13 decimation: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/argentina-debt-crisis-u-s-demands-1-5-billion-cash-bitcoin-to-rescue.330274/page-2

05:36:13 assbot: Argentina Debt Crisis: U.S. Demands 1.5 billion cash (Bitcoin to Rescue?) | Page 2 | Bitcointa.lk

05:36:45 decimation: heh the next post: "Huh? You had a choice to go to uni and further your education. Be a man and stand by your decisions. "

05:37:17 pete_dushenski: good evening b-a

05:37:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24166 @ 0.00074098 = 17.9065 BTC [-]

05:37:41 decimation: reminds me of: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/10/missionary_doctors_treating_ebola_in_africa_why_people_are_suspicious_of.html

05:37:42 assbot: Missionary doctors treating Ebola in Africa: Why people are suspicious of missionaries.

05:37:42 pete_dushenski: congrats be to cazalla BingoBoingo and mircea_popescu for the qntra announcement!

05:37:59 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yep

05:38:16 mircea_popescu: decimation not so. usually it takes about 10 years

05:38:19 mircea_popescu: IF you have a lot of money.

05:38:24 cazalla: pete_dushenski, ty

05:38:32 mircea_popescu: most poor people get that added benefit, thatthey can just forego the irs altogether

05:38:55 decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah if you have a semi-competent tax lawyer you can probably avoid jail, just pay the fine

05:38:57 mircea_popescu: ;;rated cazalla

05:38:57 gribble: You rated user cazalla on Fri Oct 10 19:05:29 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: qntra.net chief editor..

05:39:00 pete_dushenski: the mpex-qntra relationship is quite the crafty little construction. puts other efforts to shame.

05:39:25 mircea_popescu: decimation the thing is they work on a per dollar basis. if there's nothing to steal they can't afford to prosecute you.

05:39:32 decimation: for poor people in the us, taxes pay you

05:39:40 pete_dushenski: though the only other effort that comes to mind is that of ltb (andreas' first home) with their broke back counterparty baloney. so not much comp but...

05:39:53 decimation: http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/EITC-Home-Page--It%E2%80%99s-easier-than-ever-to-find-out-if-you-qualify-for-EITC

05:39:53 assbot: EITC Home Page--Its easier than ever to find out if you qualify for EITC

05:43:55 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: where is that quote from? "Fuck yes we can...."

05:44:12 pete_dushenski: oh and my apologies for the penguirker spam earlier. i was changing hosting plans and had to rejigger the whole meal deal.

05:44:17 mircea_popescu: decimation linked it above

05:45:13 pete_dushenski: the upside is now i have an avatar for commenting on other blogs and that contravex has a snazzy new recent comments sidebar.

05:48:28 mircea_popescu: good for you!

05:48:59 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i had actually read that qntra "pending announcement" bit in the logs, though meanwhile forgotten. in my defense, you never mentioned much in the way of terms or wtf you were even alluding to :D

05:49:19 mircea_popescu: :p

05:50:14 pete_dushenski: o and contravex's footnotes now have the proper indentation so you can now see all the roman numerals :)

05:50:31 decimation: pete_dushenski: what blogging system do you use?

05:50:43 pete_dushenski: wordpress

05:51:10 pete_dushenski: unfortunately the switch over meant some updates (spit) and whatnot

05:53:31 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski sent you a pingback. fix the hole will you.

05:54:42 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'm on it.

05:55:04 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you too.

05:55:10 mircea_popescu: who else is running wp blogs ?

05:56:50 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: which contravex article did you ping?

06:02:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00073751 = 13.7177 BTC [-] {2}

06:21:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31585 @ 0.00073741 = 23.2911 BTC [-] {2}

06:21:31 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/coinjar-confident-despite-recent-difficulties/

06:27:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5688 @ 0.00073816 = 4.1987 BTC [+]

06:28:31 Adlai: kakobrekla: so you like lisp?

06:29:53 Adlai: try writing the shortest possible quine in ansi cl. if you want to check the answer, it was just in #lisp and there are public logs, but try yourself before you check.

06:45:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21095 @ 0.0007392 = 15.5934 BTC [+] {2}

06:57:54 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski your latest.

06:57:54 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:58:08 mircea_popescu: <string>Pingback from http://fraudsters.com/o-hai-let-me-wanna-be.php?id=www.contravex.com/2014/10/11/the-six-pillars-for-surviving-in-computer-times/ to http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/11/the-six-pillars-for-surviving-in-computer-times/ registered. Keep the web talking! :-)</string>

06:58:08 assbot: O hai let me wanna-be! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

06:58:09 assbot: The Six Pillars For Surviving in Computer Times | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

07:32:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00073862 = 6.5737 BTC [-]

07:43:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.0007381 = 13.8025 BTC [-]

07:45:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00073707 = 19.9746 BTC [-] {2}

08:15:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00073813 = 11.6625 BTC [+]

08:18:49 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

08:18:51 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.17, Best ask: 381.7, Bid-ask spread: 1.53000, Last trade: 381.88, 24 hour volume: 15955.10289135, 24 hour low: 354.71, 24 hour high: 383.6, 24 hour vwap: 369.666559785

08:37:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3225 @ 0.00073683 = 2.3763 BTC [-]

08:56:53 Adlai: any o yall believe trustless currency via proof of work was invented as a tool for tracking rather than liberation?

08:56:58 Adlai: (when phrased this way it does make me consider that conspiracy a lot less likely)

09:14:16 xanthyos: oh wow davidlatapie at first glance i thought you might be davidldubuc

09:29:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20939 @ 0.00073544 = 15.3994 BTC [-] {2}

09:43:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24007 @ 0.00073831 = 17.7246 BTC [+] {4}

09:50:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32650 @ 0.00073998 = 24.1603 BTC [+] {2}

09:57:36 xanthyos: it's amazing how often i get threatened by someone caught speechless in the onslaught of my verbal abuse with a gun.

09:57:36 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

09:57:52 xanthyos: like they've gotten so worked up they forgot the nature of the internet.

09:57:58 xanthyos: please shoot my image.

09:59:32 wyrdmantis: with a gun?

10:00:37 xanthyos: yes

10:00:54 xanthyos: they threaten to kill me, i've had automatic weapons pulled angrily

10:00:58 xanthyos: and pointed at webcams

10:02:02 wyrdmantis: lol unbelievable

10:02:29 xanthyos: it's the go-to solution

10:12:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00073881 = 11.9318 BTC [-]

10:17:04 wyrdmantis: any fresh news on the "bitcoin regulation" front?

10:18:13 Adlai: last i checked the network is properly regulating mining fees and preventing double spends, so i'd say it's going well!

10:21:45 wyrdmantis: yeah Adlai, i'm referring to the lawyer's trying to put out a legal framework, and such nonsense, for the sake of knowing :)

10:22:43 fluffypony: which country? South Africa doesn't seem to give a crap.

10:25:30 wyrdmantis: Russia for example

10:25:53 wyrdmantis: but i think no fresh news

10:26:43 Adlai: how fresh is fresh? only heard this one last week: http://www.admin.ch/aktuell/00089/index.html?lang=en&msg-id=53513

10:26:43 assbot: admin.ch - Federal Council publishes report on virtual currencies such as bitcoin

10:28:58 wyrdmantis: fresh as you like :D Thanks a lot Adlai!

10:32:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49099 @ 0.00074065 = 36.3652 BTC [+] {2}

10:45:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79201 @ 0.00074101 = 58.6887 BTC [+] {2}

10:46:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6286 @ 0.00074284 = 4.6695 BTC [+]

10:49:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00074284 = 4.717 BTC [+]

10:52:29 *: jurov catches s.qntr mention in the lawgs

10:52:34 *: jurov scrolls frantically

10:55:39 RagnarDanneskjol: hurry!

11:11:41 jurov: s.qntr added to coinbr

11:26:33 cazalla: was bitbet the first to use no account betting?

11:27:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18946 @ 0.00073553 = 13.9354 BTC [-] {2}

11:28:04 thestringpuller: cazalla no

11:28:13 thestringpuller: there was another but wasn't trustworthy for sports betting long ago

11:28:22 thestringpuller: like 2012?

11:36:30 cazalla: well, qntra is inaccessible

11:37:21 RagnarDanneskjol: oh no - too much attention

11:37:45 RagnarDanneskjol: now the whole world's watching

11:40:38 cazalla: its getting the fuck pingbacked out of it

11:40:47 cazalla: WordPress/3.8.4; http://blog.greystonecollege.com; verifying pingback from

11:40:51 cazalla: WordPress/4.0; http://www.daylab.plp.msu.edu; verifying pingback from etc etc

11:42:33 cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/izBVjBh.png for reference, looks like that same dude who did pingback spam to fraudsters, at least i'm guessing

11:44:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.00074218 = 28.9079 BTC [+]

12:09:44 cazalla: well, i had an article to post but this fuck continues to dos the site so i guess i'll get some sleep

12:10:06 cazalla: i know ya in here, ya fuck

12:10:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10962 @ 0.00074296 = 8.1443 BTC [+] {2}

12:23:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41400 @ 0.00074305 = 30.7623 BTC [+] {4}

12:29:38 *: Adlai manages to load qntra.net after a while of waiting

12:39:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21298 @ 0.00073799 = 15.7177 BTC [-]

12:45:59 jurov: <Adlai> and yes, it's fair to say that i was "mistreated" by never having to work for money until i stopped accepting my parents' charity << this is patently false

12:46:37 jurov: i was getting disability pension since 15 and study at uni was free

12:46:54 jurov: despite that, i started working during studies

12:47:22 Adlai: why is what i said false though? you don't know me!

12:47:25 jurov: as sysadmin in small company (i explicitly avioded big business and its bureaucracy)

12:47:30 *: Adlai is a special snowflake

12:47:49 wyrdmantis: %s

12:48:00 Adlai:

12:48:11 jurov: lol Adlai if parents threw you at 18 onto the street

12:48:20 jurov: you'd say you were mistreated, either

12:48:54 Adlai: flatmate had to work for spending money his entire life

12:49:08 Adlai: field trip lunch money, movies on weekends, etc

12:49:13 Adlai: he just had zero allowance his entire life

12:49:45 Adlai: his parents gave him food, shelter, and access to the crappiest indoctrination taxes can subsidize

12:50:01 Adlai: now he gets up in the morning every day to work because he does not rack dishiprin

12:51:02 jurov: rack what?

12:51:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00073445 = 6.9773 BTC [-] {3}

12:51:33 Adlai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdbORXEmbnk

12:51:34 assbot: You rack disciprine - YouTube

12:54:46 jurov: um.. afaik usually people work because they won't have the discipline otherwise

12:55:12 kakobrekla: they just dont know better.

12:56:26 kakobrekla: i understood this pretty quickly so i never got employed.

13:13:16 Adlai: kakobrekla: quine!

13:17:55 kakobrekla: yes lisp. i recently started learning the thing thanks (or not?) to our resident mad scientist asciilifeform.

13:18:11 davout: ohai

13:18:15 kakobrekla: hi

13:19:53 kakobrekla: Adlai check up his blog if you havent yet.

13:20:00 Adlai: ?

13:20:46 *: Adlai hasn't yet, kakobrekla

13:20:57 kakobrekla: http://www.loper-os.org

13:21:00 assbot: Loper OS

13:22:09 Adlai: asciilifeform: /join #lisp

13:22:36 kakobrekla: hehe

13:31:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19658 @ 0.00073413 = 14.4315 BTC [-]

13:55:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38700 @ 0.00073411 = 28.4101 BTC [-] {2}

14:09:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00073461 = 22.7362 BTC [+]

14:22:44 ThickAsThieves: wall st bleeding

14:25:57 chetty: ThickAsThieves, Monday in Oct :)

14:27:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30526 @ 0.00073579 = 22.4607 BTC [+] {2}

14:28:37 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

14:28:38 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 383.94, Best ask: 383.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 383.94, 24 hour volume: 18703.97847566, 24 hour low: 358.56, 24 hour high: 388.0, 24 hour vwap: 375.509938976

14:31:49 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu thedrinkingrecord and qntra should both be patched nao

14:31:49 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:37:32 thestringpuller: mike_c: bitcoins first actuarial scientist

14:38:00 mike_c: do i get a plaque with that?

14:38:46 ThickAsThieves: organofcorti was first probly

14:45:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9470 @ 0.00073727 = 6.9819 BTC [+]

14:51:17 thestringpuller: i thought for a second it said "Do i get a plague with that"

14:52:41 ThickAsThieves: same thing

14:53:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9242 @ 0.00073727 = 6.8138 BTC [+]

15:03:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25938 @ 0.00074337 = 19.2815 BTC [+] {2}

15:35:31 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/coinbase-retains-government-insider/

15:49:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8688 @ 0.00074351 = 6.4596 BTC [+] {2}

15:50:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4962 @ 0.00074355 = 3.6895 BTC [+]

15:54:05 ben_vulpes: god i love qntra

15:56:35 ThickAsThieves: almost as cool as vanads

15:56:38 ThickAsThieves: ;)

15:59:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.15639117 BTC to 16`099 shares, 7183 satoshi per share

16:00:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 0.78199184 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 68 satoshi per share

16:20:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00074288 = 10.3632 BTC [-]

16:36:56 ThickAsThieves: "Just wanted to let you know you should no longer have any issues with instant transactions through your Circle account. We apologize for the inconvenience and appreciate your patience and support."

16:39:18 mats_cd03: "Until the next time there's serious volatility."

16:40:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 304 @ 0.12404455 = 37.7095 BTC [-] {30}

16:45:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00074355 = 13.4583 BTC [+] {2}

16:46:03 ThickAsThieves: pretty much

16:49:28 thestringpuller: volatility shouldn't be an issue if your liquidity pool is deep enough. does this mean they aren't operating with enough supply?

16:52:04 mats_cd03: what would you propose they do? continue operating at a fiat loss indefinitely?

16:53:16 thestringpuller: i thought bitcoin businesses shouldn't hold profit in fiat.

16:53:32 thestringpuller: so price disparity should be moot with a deep enough supply...

16:53:57 mats_cd03: they live in a different world than we do.

16:54:37 thestringpuller: so does my imaginary friend.

16:56:31 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/melbourne-group-works-for-bitcoin-asx-listing/

16:57:10 kakobrekla: what do they do?

16:57:34 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo maybe add a word about that?

16:57:42 kakobrekla: (cmon, more shares!)

16:59:03 mike_c: bingo gets, what, 1.4 shares per word? not bad.

17:00:18 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: updated

17:02:37 kakobrekla: cool

17:05:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 200 @ 0.09890927 = 19.7819 BTC [-] {23}

17:13:08 BingoBoingo: Also, small navigation improvement on Qntra, there are now geography categories attached to relevant posts. The Categories are the continents + Russia. Might make browsing for certain kinds of stories easier for people.

17:29:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20262 @ 0.00074096 = 15.0133 BTC [-] {3}

17:30:50 *: Adlai is stuck without X after a borked reboot, but qntra looks alright in framebuffer w3m

17:31:05 mircea_popescu: hey kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/bitcoin-to-drop-under-260-before-november/#c4132 << check out all the pentesting

17:31:05 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November :: 2.57 B (20%) on Yes, 10.18 B (80%) on No | closing in 6 hours 28 minutes | weight: 3`249 (100`000 to 1)

17:33:06 kakobrekla: some heavy shit.

17:33:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00073464 = 10.285 BTC [-]

17:34:08 TheNewDeal: can't tell if you two are joking or are serious?

17:34:54 kakobrekla: thats the beauty of it.

17:36:50 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1CXMX50.txt )

17:36:50 BingoBoingo: !b 2

17:41:24 Adlai: holy shit, bitbet is painful in w3m

17:42:03 kakobrekla: is it?

17:42:21 kakobrekla: let see

17:46:19 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

17:47:13 Adlai: http://dpaste.com/3X9Y71M

17:47:14 assbot: dpaste: 3X9Y71M

17:47:35 Adlai: surprisingly painless to do that once you get familiar with tmux

17:49:52 devthedev: BingoBoingo: Are articles written by yourself of cazalla calculated into the "wordcount of qualified articles published"?

17:53:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00073544 = 12.2083 BTC [+]

17:53:52 BingoBoingo: devthedev: I am pretty sure they do.

17:55:09 mircea_popescu: Disappointingly, Matt brushed it off thus:

17:55:10 mircea_popescu: ?This tradeoff in pingback?s design has been there for a decade now,? he said via email. ?It?s seldom used outside of experimentation because it gets shut down by anti-spam providers like Akismet or web hosts when used at any scale, and there are cheaper, easier, and more effective ways to DDOS sites. That?s why no serious attacks (above 2gbps) use it.?

17:55:17 mircea_popescu: mullenweg is a total fucktard.

17:55:34 mircea_popescu: devthedev of course.

17:55:47 devthedev: Alright

17:56:02 mircea_popescu: Adlai what's that ?

17:56:07 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's the fucktard's case for not fixing obvious hole?

17:56:15 mircea_popescu: yes.,

17:56:29 mircea_popescu: have you ever heard anything pareil ?!

17:56:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00073544 = 9.7078 BTC [+]

17:57:06 mircea_popescu: i have a good mind to ddos wordpress with it tbh.

17:57:43 Adlai: mircea_popescu: something bad happened to my graphics server so i'm stuck communicating with the world in text

17:58:07 mircea_popescu: Adlai it's pretty much designed to work fine in lynx

17:58:18 Adlai: bitbet or qntra?

17:58:21 mircea_popescu: bitbet

17:58:28 mircea_popescu: i don't think qntra is designed to anything, just yet

17:58:54 BingoBoingo: Reading up on this the fixed a similar problem with trackbacks back in 2.8, I don't know why it would be their position to make a sharp edge like this the default when the push themselve to people looking for feather cushions.

17:59:13 mircea_popescu: total bs, they never fixed it

17:59:29 mircea_popescu: the bug affects the codebase all the way through, to the first introducton of xlmrpc back in 2004 or w/e

17:59:42 bounce: therefore, it must be a feature

17:59:52 mircea_popescu: they made in the interval about 10 different claims to "having fixed it"

18:00:16 mircea_popescu: the way wp codebase works is indicative of what naggum described, the problem of maggots wanting the status of coder and so writing code for the sake of being coders.

18:00:34 mircea_popescu: it's also a glimpse into bitcoin's future, if usgavin and the power retard crowd have their way

18:01:29 mircea_popescu: but just as an indication of the problem : w3 total cache, version 8.5 ? 250kb. w3 total cache, version 9.2 ? 1,8 mb

18:01:41 mircea_popescu: read it an d fucking weep, 1.8mb of caching code.

18:01:45 Adlai: mircea_popescu: ah, w3m is installed instead of lynx because it's ~65% smaller

18:01:52 *: Adlai fiddles

18:01:52 mircea_popescu: then derps derp about 50mn lines of code. seriously, bitch ? that's your caching ?

18:02:24 mircea_popescu: Adlai im pretty sure you can view bitbet in emacs if it comes to it.

18:03:55 *: Adlai M-x package-install w3

18:07:13 kakobrekla: shit i got distracted by a pussy and a pair of tits.

18:07:24 mircea_popescu: piss the only thing missing ?

18:07:33 kakobrekla: so it it acceptable in lynx?

18:07:41 mircea_popescu: pretty much yes

18:08:07 kakobrekla: then i shall not bother with w3m

18:08:32 mircea_popescu: maybe you do that after it gets hacked, as punishment.

18:09:02 kakobrekla: nah, you get the punishment of recoding it from scratch for trusting me in the first place.

18:09:17 mircea_popescu: hm

18:09:23 mircea_popescu: that is severe and unusual.

18:09:34 kakobrekla: life is such.

18:12:39 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

18:12:40 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.93, Best ask: 381.35, Bid-ask spread: 0.42000, Last trade: 380.93, 24 hour volume: 21186.09124849, 24 hour low: 364.06, 24 hour high: 388.0, 24 hour vwap: 377.044702795

18:12:44 mircea_popescu: o noes

18:13:11 kakobrekla: hooray, meat!

18:14:01 mircea_popescu: lol

18:14:07 mircea_popescu: eat two chickens today kako

18:14:12 mircea_popescu: you never know what tomorrow brings.

18:15:22 kakobrekla: shit i still dont even know what today brought.

18:15:53 mircea_popescu: "<kakobrekla> i got distracted by a pussy and a pair of tits." ?

18:16:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1588 @ 0.0007385 = 1.1727 BTC [+]

18:17:59 Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> [16:22:45] wall st bleeding // again ?

18:18:08 Apocalyptic: this is bleeding everyday for a while it seems

18:19:17 mircea_popescu: muyeah

18:23:27 chetty: <Apocalyptic> <ThickAsThieves> [16:22:45] wall st bleeding // again ?//seems to have mostly recovered since then

18:23:48 Apocalyptic: yeah that's what I just saw

18:24:10 ThickAsThieves: tis why i stopped trading stocks

18:24:20 ThickAsThieves: gs and friends troll traders hard

18:24:33 ThickAsThieves: waste of time learning that game

18:24:34 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla: so regards to finding additional author, on the about page i added must be in wot + 6 months #b-a logs << yeshiva as prereq. smart. http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/

18:24:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:24:39 wyrdmantis: A question for developers: if i wanted (only theoretically) to build a scamcoins exchange like bittrex, what language/framework is best to use? A guy has opened one in node.js. I think he's gonna get hacked very soon.

18:25:36 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: added the necessary code to the necessary file and the necessary pingback to the necessary article :D

18:25:45 mircea_popescu: ty!

18:26:03 pete_dushenski: my pleasure.

18:26:12 mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis whenever you wish to build something hardened, you are advised to use the lowest level tools you can use.

18:26:35 mircea_popescu: this is why bunkers are made out of steel and concrete, even while luxury items are made out of silk and glass.

18:27:01 kakobrekla: eh

18:27:06 kakobrekla: steel is at the same level as glass

18:27:17 mircea_popescu: yeah shitty analogy

18:27:34 mircea_popescu: except you know, some stuff manages to be basic and advanced at the same time.

18:28:27 wyrdmantis: a friend asked the guy about db and got insulted and then silence. WTF people are so dumb. And yeah, node.js doesn't seem low level at all.

18:28:51 mircea_popescu: node.js is a great toolset to build your gf a dildo with.

18:28:58 Apocalyptic: heh

18:29:00 Apocalyptic: pretty much

18:29:14 mircea_popescu: what's the worst that'll hapen, it'll fuck her in the ass ?

18:29:19 mircea_popescu: FEATURE!

18:29:44 kakobrekla: in both cases, if you want to do it well or if you want to do it fast, you will want to use tools you know well

18:29:53 wyrdmantis: the exchange is this https://betasharex.com/

18:29:53 assbot: BetaShareX - Cryptocurrency Exchange

18:30:12 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: npm install dildo.js

18:30:24 Apocalyptic: I thought the exchange mania has stopped, guess not

18:30:38 kakobrekla: that never stops

18:30:49 wyrdmantis: i don't want to do an altcoin exchange, that's sure

18:30:55 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic idol worshipping hasn't stopped either, it just moves further to the outskirts

18:31:04 kakobrekla: shit even i had one coded but didnt put it live

18:31:18 mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis it is a very shitty spot to be in, running one of those, because the shitcoins are often badly written, such as was the case with xrp.

18:31:30 mircea_popescu: then people will find how to ewxploit one, trade it for all the others you hold

18:31:43 mircea_popescu: and the idiots "using" your "service" won't understand that they're all equally worthless, so...

18:31:49 mircea_popescu: buncha bad blood for no good reason.

18:32:04 Apocalyptic: yeah, that's the main reason I didn't want shitcoins in x-bt

18:33:33 kakobrekla: aha thats why theres no coins listed :)

18:33:40 mircea_popescu: lol hater.

18:33:44 mircea_popescu: he has atc doesn't he ?

18:33:57 wyrdmantis: i hope someone nuke it, arrogant dev is arrogant he insulted my friend

18:33:59 thestringpuller: yea that's the atc exchange I think is used in MPIF

18:34:31 Apocalyptic: well one could argue LTC is a shitcoin too, and it wouldn't be far from the truth

18:34:35 mircea_popescu: lol @this guy

18:34:47 Apocalyptic: so i guess it has one after all

18:34:48 mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis did he insult your friend badly ?

18:34:56 Azelphur: wyrdmantis: to answer your earlier question, the answer is the framework your developer is most proficient in using

18:35:03 kakobrekla: actually i think bash is wrong here. ltc is silver.

18:35:06 mircea_popescu: Azelphur so php ?

18:35:08 kakobrekla: (as silver is shit)

18:35:11 danielpbarron: wall street journal recently published an article featuring some of the more well known scamcoins

18:35:23 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: if you're good at PHP, use it. It's not the greatest of languages but it's perfectly functional.

18:35:36 mircea_popescu: just trolling for lolz

18:35:39 Apocalyptic: php=====functional returns false here

18:35:40 Azelphur: :P

18:35:51 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic it's functionally functional then

18:35:52 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: coding in PHP is one of the few socially acceptable forms of insanity

18:35:58 wyrdmantis: Azelphur thanks

18:36:10 Azelphur: wyrdmantis: welcome, I know it's a bit of a non-answer

18:36:21 *: danielpbarron used to code stuff in php

18:36:27 kakobrekla: its what i said really.

18:36:27 mircea_popescu: you all keep bashing it, but wordpress' xmlrpc is written in php

18:36:30 Azelphur: danielpbarron: me too :)

18:36:36 mircea_popescu: and wordpress' xmlrpc is the best thing in the world

18:36:57 bounce: ergo, php is the bees' knees and the "fractal of bad design" guy has it ALL WRONG

18:36:59 Apocalyptic: I just saw a few vulns for that one, it seems to be recurrent

18:37:01 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: indeed, goes back to what I said really, the quality of code produced is dependant on the programmer and not the language

18:37:15 wyrdmantis: mircea_popescu not so badly, but in a very arrogant way, and then no more technical answers

18:37:18 mircea_popescu: actually i have seen tight php.

18:37:24 mircea_popescu: it was mostly transliterated perl

18:37:30 mircea_popescu: harharhar :D

18:38:34 bounce: leveraging a write once language to help produce tight code in a notoriously sloppy language. can't you just taste the synergy?

18:38:53 mircea_popescu: either that or the dingleberry

18:38:57 Azelphur: that said there are other considerations, some languages/frameworks have limitations / specialties that others don't

18:39:07 Azelphur: eg if you try and do realtime in django you're going to have a bad time.

18:39:53 mircea_popescu: is django actually named to suggest "d, j and go" ?

18:40:09 *: Adlai concludes that w3m is preferable to lynx

18:40:38 mircea_popescu: Adlai why that ?

18:40:46 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: nah, was named after a guitarist.

18:42:06 Adlai: mircea_popescu: images don't display at all with lynx/links

18:42:20 Adlai: and they're bulkier both in size and speed

18:42:49 mircea_popescu: hm

18:45:01 kakobrekla: didnt someone make cli interface?

18:45:09 Apocalyptic: %d

18:45:11 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 319014.53 in 235 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.01

18:45:49 Azelphur: kakobrekla: for MPEX? that was me.

18:46:01 Azelphur: https://github.com/Azelphur/pyMPEx

18:46:01 assbot: Azelphur/pyMPEx GitHub

18:46:08 mircea_popescu: i think FabianB did too. or no wait

18:46:12 kakobrekla: !s bitbet cli

18:46:13 assbot: 1 results for 'bitbet cli' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitbet+cli

18:46:15 mircea_popescu: it was this italian chick maybe ?

18:46:20 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, yeah they did!

18:46:30 kakobrekla: 1 hit: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724114

18:46:32 assbot: Logged on 19-06-2014 01:29:12; kakobrekla: ;;rate punkman 1 bitbet cli dev

18:46:34 kakobrekla: lel

18:46:41 mircea_popescu: up punkman1

18:46:49 kakobrekla: ty log

18:46:55 bounce: http://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2014/10/13/voice-harvesters-bureaucrats-businesses-gather-more-than-65-million-people/

18:46:55 assbot: The Voice Harvesters: Bureaucrats, businesses gather more than 65 million people's voiceprints | Fox Business

18:47:10 mircea_popescu: Adlai you should check his code out btw, it's actually better if you want lightweight/text only than any browser

18:48:14 mircea_popescu: bounce incidentally, since you bring it up : most idiots of the "irc is not irl" and "i trust real people" variety fail to understand that with modern computers i can make any one person to say any one thing. just give me a collection of their voice recorded.

18:48:28 mircea_popescu: stuff here is not nearly as falsifiable as the "trustworthy" phonecall.

18:49:08 thestringpuller: i used to do that with tape recorders in my pops office back in the day

18:49:18 thestringpuller: that little home alone tape recorder thing

18:49:41 mircea_popescu: right, it's been iffy for 30+ years

18:49:45 mircea_popescu: but it's plain dead by today.

18:50:12 mircea_popescu: much like the "signature", ie, scribbling down on paper. fuck me, i have bills in this room issued by 6 different governments, they all have a signature on them

18:50:21 mircea_popescu: and i bet you the dude in question never touched any of the bills he "signed"

18:50:53 thestringpuller: signature stamps for the government

18:51:27 kakobrekla: ohai!

18:51:52 kakobrekla: what the url to that thing again pls?

18:51:54 punkman: what someone is gonna use bitbet cli?

18:52:00 bounce: heh, it's actually worse than that. when gov't people talk about "signature management", these days that's plugins for their document management systems that govern copy/pasting pictures of signatures into "documents" that later may or may not end up getting printed.

18:52:44 punkman: it's here https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py but gotta upload updated version

18:52:45 assbot: abfg / bitbet.py — Bitbucket

18:53:15 bounce: anyhow barclays already rolled this out for their "wealthiest clients", so this sounds like an invitation to make good use of a tape recorder.

18:53:37 kakobrekla: mp: link this and btcalpha from faq?

18:55:11 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla surely.

18:55:36 mircea_popescu: bounce it's been going on for a while, this scam. most brokers with high value accounts have been pretty spooked back in the 90s already

18:55:45 mircea_popescu: easiest sell for "bitch, use gpg" i ever had to make.

18:56:35 mircea_popescu: once the guy hears "non repudiable, just keep the blob" eyes light up like an xmas tree

18:58:16 bounce: rather gigantic mismatch between what the technology can do and understanding what it needs to do.

18:58:30 mircea_popescu: word.

18:59:31 bounce: but then, selling a totally complex fancy buzzword-laden magic (voice or otherwise) box counts as "innovation", whereas installing a mail client with decent gpg support does not.

19:00:30 mircea_popescu: that's not how you do it. you gift the guy a laptop and explain how to use it.

19:00:37 mircea_popescu: "gpg support" in clients is for the birds.

19:01:14 mircea_popescu: best gift you'll ever make, incidentally. for the 500 bux or w/e an old laptop costs you're probably going to get a yachtful of champagne

19:03:04 bounce: that's the price of a new laptop these days. cheapo, but anyhow.

19:04:57 chetty: sounds like a business plan, laptops with gpg installed plus instructions, name it lots of fancy words ...

19:05:19 bounce: needs a bit of buy-in since the other side needs something comparable.

19:05:31 bounce: s/comparable/compatible/

19:05:54 mircea_popescu: bounce well if you're giving them away supposedly you got your own system

19:06:29 bounce: yesh, but it doesn't scale. then again, maybe it doesn't need to. until it does, of course.

19:06:39 mircea_popescu: what od you mean it doesn't scale lmao

19:06:45 mircea_popescu: you know what else doesn't scale this way ?

19:06:47 mircea_popescu: THE INTERNET

19:06:50 asciilifeform: gpg.. yachtful << nope. they'd rather buy pwndildoes from 'crypto ag.' it's a 'technolordosis' signal to their master.

19:07:01 mircea_popescu: o shit, you need a computer at home to email ? o yea, totally, email doesn't scale

19:07:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not anyone i'd work with.

19:07:23 mircea_popescu: vote with your money stan. it's a very powerful concept.

19:07:37 bounce: not that sense. in the sense that some people will thus end up with N (>>20) laptops to talk to N people.

19:07:48 mircea_popescu: bounce what ?!

19:07:51 asciilifeform: (and yes, i intend to write a post re: 'technolordosis.' for the lack of a better term, my current mental name for the deer/hunter symbiosis of voluntary chumpitude previously discussed on many occasions)

19:08:14 mircea_popescu: i must be missing like 20 laptops in here then ?!

19:08:33 mircea_popescu: OK WHICH ONE OF YOU BITCHES STOLE MY 20 LAPTOPS

19:08:48 asciilifeform: to vote with money, one first needs... money.

19:09:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but we were kinda discussing large accounts and personal brokers hiar.

19:09:35 asciilifeform: i sorta assumed fat fiat accounts on fiat brokers.

19:09:42 bounce: anyhow, I don't have contact with personal brokers so no opportunity to try and test market uptake

19:10:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's exactly what it is.

19:10:58 mircea_popescu: bounce no but i mean, people like shrem or ulbricht or w/e ? that's the right move in their position. hire lawyer, make it conditional upon all communication going through gpg

19:11:12 mircea_popescu: a lawyer readily understands the value of ACTUAL attorney-client privilege

19:11:15 mircea_popescu: as opposed to constructive

19:12:36 bounce: why aren't lawyers speaking up when there's yet another law mandating massive snooping on everyone with a few of those constructive bones thrown in? lack of understanding that actual is possible?

19:12:38 mircea_popescu: you get much better counsel once he gets familiar with the safeties provided by cryptography, too. so it's win-win

19:12:55 mircea_popescu: bounce because of the individual effect. why didn't people in leningrad speak up ?

19:13:04 mircea_popescu: why didn't the workers speak up before unions ?

19:13:10 mircea_popescu: because on his own, aperson is just a person.

19:13:17 mircea_popescu: once you give them a means to speak up they will.

19:14:09 mircea_popescu: hence why "providing nucleation" is so important

19:14:19 asciilifeform: ulbricht << unless he's learned to grind rsa in his head, how is this to happen? his jailers will otherwise have the key at their leisure.

19:14:50 mircea_popescu: nah

19:14:53 mircea_popescu: he meets with lawyer

19:15:03 mircea_popescu: lawyer has everything that comes in and everything that comes out crypted

19:15:09 mircea_popescu: they uncrypt in the cell and talk.

19:15:26 mircea_popescu: only way to do it.

19:16:06 asciilifeform: afaik the whole client-attourney privilege thing is a dead letter in usaschwitz. (the buggers can do as they please and parallelconstruct.)

19:16:12 mircea_popescu: no, it's not.

19:16:18 mircea_popescu: they'll make copies of the gpg'd blobs at the most

19:16:42 mircea_popescu: which... whatevs.

19:17:23 asciilifeform: seriously suggesting that a prisoner in usa can keep a key secure (other than one which fits in his head) ?

19:19:51 chetty: I dont think lawyers get into cells anymore either, isn't it telephones and glass?

19:22:27 asciilifeform: IANAL - but afaik, usg claims a total right to control the communications of prisoners. and lawyers who are suspected of stretching the official rules (e.g., getting a message out to your mother, whatever) can be effectively fired by usg.

19:25:16 chetty: practically the definition of police state

19:31:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so.

19:32:02 mircea_popescu: there's exactl;y nothing the prosecution can do to nosy into the defense briefs, abnd they wouldn't even dare ask because they've got no way to know if they're being set up for a mistrial or what.

19:32:25 mircea_popescu: and if in fact it does result in a mistrial for counsel tampering & conspiracy, the da in question can very well go to jail on the spot

19:32:38 mircea_popescu: doesn't even get a trial, the judge can just sentence him for contempt, six months, no problemo

19:32:52 mircea_popescu: and if he DOES get held in criminal contempt he gets disbarred, and might as well learn a new trade.

19:32:55 mircea_popescu: so, no. ain't happening.

19:33:00 chetty: back when there were real judges ..

19:33:16 mircea_popescu: chetty it's not a task any of the pencildicks would take regardless.

19:33:29 mircea_popescu: and if they weren't pencidlicks they'd be here with me, rather than over there with the sops.

19:33:48 chetty: matter of who they are more afraid of

19:34:19 mircea_popescu: quite so.

19:35:09 asciilifeform: mega-lol. nothing of the kind, afaik, has happened in many years. how could it, with tame judges, tame da-s, tame legislature, ... , etc.

19:35:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still think 'rule of law' thing is still a thing in usa? seriously?

19:35:34 mircea_popescu: the only reason it's never happened to date is simply that a da wouldn't have made it that far if he were insane enough to try something like you propose.

19:36:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not rule of law. but plenty of upstanding individuals regardless. enough so to readily be leveraged into serious trouble for bureaucratic miscreants

19:36:35 asciilifeform: when they do 'this', it won't look like a 'this.' it'll look like a parallel-whatever - dumb prisoner gave his key to 'Bubba' in exchange for butseks, etc.

19:36:51 mircea_popescu: except if the defense counsel testifies to it.

19:37:07 mircea_popescu: which is what i said. they wouldn't even dare ask, because they don't know if it's a set-up.

19:37:27 mircea_popescu: moreover, your example doesn't actually work.

19:38:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12999958 = 1.3 BTC [+] {3}

19:42:13 ThickAsThieves: Circle is funny, theyre supposedly no-fee, which is only really true when selling, but when you sell, they pay nearly 1% premium bonus

19:42:29 ThickAsThieves: my best guess is they get more than that when you buy

19:42:33 kakobrekla: punkman just tried the cli and got trapped in ddos jail :)

19:42:35 ThickAsThieves: and have some kinda scheme going

19:43:45 punkman: kakobrekla: after trying to "update" I assume

19:43:52 kakobrekla: correct

19:44:52 kakobrekla: current settings are maxretry = 200, findtime = 120, bantime = 3600 - you think you can get around that?

19:45:55 punkman: kakobrekla: it even sleep 1 sec inbetween requests, what more do you want

19:46:04 punkman: :P

19:46:07 kakobrekla: huh?

19:46:36 kakobrekla: wouldnt trip it with 1s sleep

19:46:50 punkman: https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py/src/be26e37e4068b1ddb5a755c22b76763332de29d9/bitbetlib/betdb.py?at=master#cl-111

19:46:51 assbot: abfg / bitbet.py / source / bitbetlib / betdb.py — Bitbucket

19:47:01 kakobrekla: as you would be hitting 120 out of 200 per 2min.

19:47:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00074191 = 18.5478 BTC [+]

19:52:49 kakobrekla: maybe python second is different from my second. the only logical explanation.

19:53:16 punkman: PHP seconds are probably longer

19:53:39 kakobrekla: its actually haproxy we are talking about.

19:54:09 punkman: just run update on mine and it worked

19:54:20 kakobrekla: yeah cause you had a small update.

19:54:25 kakobrekla: less than 200 req.

19:54:44 punkman: well I'll make it sleep longer I guess

19:56:28 kakobrekla: idk 1 per second constantly should be working.

19:56:30 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/news-and-score-enable-bitcoin-betting/

19:56:32 kakobrekla: imma test it

19:58:07 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://qntra.net/2014/10/news-and-score-enable-bitcoin-betting/ << check it out, lol.

19:58:08 assbot: News And Score Enable Bitcoin Betting

19:58:29 BingoBoingo: %d

19:58:31 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 318823.44 in 234 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.02

19:59:14 kakobrekla: "for some time" < some years yes.

19:59:34 BingoBoingo: All of the Years

20:00:33 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/13/qntra-reaffirms-wot-irc-yeshiva-way-optional/

20:01:21 pete_dushenski: ^spreading the word :D

20:01:38 mircea_popescu: lol tsla under 225 ? heh

20:02:11 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski cool!

20:02:58 pete_dushenski: the author reqs tipped me over the edge.

20:03:14 ThickAsThieves: wow listen to thiel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYjmCOc949I

20:03:14 assbot: Peter Thiel: Bitcoin needs a payment system to work - YouTube

20:03:22 pete_dushenski: and that crafty little stock issuance model pushed me up the hill!

20:03:35 ThickAsThieves: Thiel officially has been compromised

20:03:47 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he's basically saying "paypal isn't dead"

20:03:55 mircea_popescu: he's stuck doing it, no ? his thing.

20:03:57 ThickAsThieves: he goes past that

20:04:10 mircea_popescu: well if anyone does a transcription i'll skim it

20:04:11 ThickAsThieves: saying bitcoin is hard to transact and only good for illegal stuff

20:04:14 mircea_popescu: but im not listening to thiel drone.

20:04:46 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves teh party line change identified last week solidifies eh ?

20:04:48 mircea_popescu: hehehe

20:04:52 ThickAsThieves: it's total fudpropaganda

20:04:53 Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, so basically what clueless people have been saying for years now ?

20:05:15 ThickAsThieves: it's like watching a politician lie

20:05:30 ThickAsThieves: i guess that's exactly what it is

20:05:35 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic now we know that they HAVE in fact been defeated, oct 5th

20:05:38 mircea_popescu: and it smarts.

20:05:45 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/this-is-how-much-i-rule-today/ << never 4get!

20:05:46 assbot: This is how much I rule (today) pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

20:06:01 ThickAsThieves: bitcoin up $100 since, thanks!

20:06:30 mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone with serious long term btc plans better get your criminal suits ready

20:06:48 mircea_popescu: looks like we *will* be killing people before this is over.

20:07:38 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/13/qntra-reaffirms-wot-irc-yeshiva-in-no-way-optional/

20:07:48 ThickAsThieves: now with more new!

20:08:03 Apocalyptic: ;;seen pankkake

20:08:04 gribble: pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 27 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <pankkake> here is 0.000195.

20:08:24 mircea_popescu: !up xinxi

20:08:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you really thought they'd surrender, just like that ?

20:08:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00074148 = 28.1021 BTC [-] {2}

20:08:44 mircea_popescu: i didn't think anything tbh.

20:08:51 mircea_popescu: people get their chances, they use them or not, fuck i care.

20:09:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, from what i recall and from everything i've read, illegal periods are the best part of any revolution. i imagine they'll be loads of fun for the reaction just as much.

20:10:24 punkman: kakobrekla: tried bigger update didn't see any errors

20:10:27 mircea_popescu: certainly stalin had a better time of it in the 1914s than in the 1954s

20:12:00 xinxi: ;;eauth wangxinxi

20:12:02 gribble: Request successful for user wangxinxi, hostmask xinxi!8984fa09@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/331894345B459329

20:12:31 kakobrekla: fml 1 per second is no good.

20:12:32 mircea_popescu: xinxi are you the guy that did the chinese version of anjiecast's article by any chance ?

20:13:11 xinxi: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:475b46ba59f944113e1beb804513bdb6c01c4eb89cf8c8e1cde797d8

20:13:11 gribble: You are now authenticated for user wangxinxi with key 331894345B459329

20:13:14 punkman: uploaded new bitbet.py version, hopefully sexy colors don't break your term http://i.imgur.com/KB21cbq.png

20:13:42 kakobrekla: it indeed is sexy.

20:13:45 xinxi: which article are you talking about?

20:14:01 mircea_popescu: !s 8btc.com

20:14:02 assbot: 3 results for '8btc.com' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=8btc.com

20:14:22 mircea_popescu: hm weird.

20:14:26 mircea_popescu: let me dig for a second

20:14:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2014#868220 < there we go

20:14:41 assbot: Logged on 11-10-2014 02:49:02; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell princessnell http://www.8btc.com/bitcoin-is-great-but-it-wont-fix-our-monkey-brains check it out, you're big in china

20:14:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2412 @ 0.00074093 = 1.7871 BTC [-]

20:15:24 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone with serious long term btc plans better get your criminal suits ready << pinstripes ok?

20:15:42 mircea_popescu: im not even sure what the fashion is, this time around

20:15:54 pete_dushenski: i think double-breasted is coming back

20:15:54 mircea_popescu: best check with our insider designer fashionistas i guess ?

20:16:01 pete_dushenski: just trimmer now

20:16:39 xinxi: no I am not that guy. but i am just curious how you know i am chinese.

20:17:08 BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone with serious long term btc plans better get your criminal suits ready << pinstripes ok? << I'll probably just break out the old Party Toga from College.

20:17:08 pete_dushenski: xinxi: haha um… your name?

20:17:19 mircea_popescu: xinxi * xinxi (8984fa09@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #bitcoin-assets ?

20:17:25 ThickAsThieves: just wear black

20:17:43 ThickAsThieves: all that really matters

20:17:51 mircea_popescu: i dun like black so much.

20:18:02 ThickAsThieves: well youre in ba

20:18:28 xinxi: ok. you guys are good at this.

20:18:35 xinxi: the article is good.

20:18:53 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: oct 5th never 4get! << but i thought sept 26 was your day?

20:19:06 pete_dushenski: two in two weeks might be a bit much!

20:19:11 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski as time goes by i keep acumulating days it seems

20:19:11 BingoBoingo: <ThickAsThieves> just wear black << Party today is basically just black oil cloth with some sort of gold fabric for the sash. Definitely heavier than togas worn by those three times my weight

20:19:38 xinxi: do you trade here?

20:19:39 pete_dushenski: xinxi: which article?

20:19:39 mircea_popescu: ;;rate xinxi 1 Guy's Chinese, what more can you ask for.

20:19:39 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

20:19:50 mircea_popescu: ;;rate wangxinxi 1 Guy's Chinese, what more can you ask for.

20:19:51 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wangxinxi has been recorded.

20:20:04 mircea_popescu: xinxi now you can self-voice. pm assbot !up after you identified with gribble.

20:20:31 xinxi: great. thanks

20:20:41 mircea_popescu: %d

20:20:42 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 318823.44 in 234 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.02

20:20:49 mircea_popescu: two hundred, good god.

20:20:56 Apocalyptic: this feels like a decade

20:21:03 mircea_popescu: X-Rob excuse me sir, which week is this ? 5th ? 6th ?

20:21:05 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you recall ?

20:21:22 X-Rob: I honestly have no idea

20:21:28 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll check statements

20:21:30 X-Rob: and I'm in the middle of a bastard CVE at the moment

20:21:39 kakobrekla: punkman yeah no need to prolong the sleep, it now actually is 200 per 120s.

20:21:47 xinxi: ;;gettrust wangxinxi

20:21:48 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask wangxinxi!8984fa09@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user wangxinxi to user wangxinxi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=wangxinxi&dest=wangxinxi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wangxinxi | Rated since: Mon Oct 13 16:19:46 2014

20:21:48 mircea_popescu: X-Rob aite, no worries.

20:21:53 ThickAsThieves: hey we bumped into the guy that fucked up the atc diff, in another chan

20:22:02 ThickAsThieves: railzand

20:22:03 mircea_popescu: xinxi it's cached so give it like an hour to propagate ?

20:22:10 X-Rob: ThickAsThieves: yeeeeessss...

20:22:12 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he was here, it's captured on fraudsters.

20:22:18 ThickAsThieves: oh

20:22:18 kakobrekla: (before it was 100 per 120 for some known but retarded reason)

20:22:47 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla as per carlin's "ways to keep programmers on their toes" : announce 120, implement 100. that should hold them for about half an hour.

20:22:57 kakobrekla: :)

20:23:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu, X-Rob: Going by trading statements... This seems like week 9

20:23:22 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot wangxinxi

20:23:22 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask wangxinxi!8984fa09@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user assbot to user wangxinxi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=wangxinxi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wangxinxi | Rated since: Mon Oct 13 16:19:46 2014

20:23:24 X-Rob: BingoBoingo: Awesome!

20:23:25 mircea_popescu: there you go.

20:23:37 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o so he's finally off the hook ? god damed!

20:23:41 X-Rob: Heh

20:23:43 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: anyway, from what i recall and from everything i've read, illegal periods are the best part of any revolution. i imagine they'll be loads of fun for the reaction just as much. << http://www.reactiongifs.com/stewie-oh-goody/

20:23:44 assbot: Stewie: Oh, goody - Reaction GIFs

20:23:51 mircea_popescu: just as i was enjoying the deal ;/

20:24:01 X-Rob: I'm happy to hang around, mircea_popescu

20:24:02 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well you could always sign him again.

20:24:22 xinxi: I need to go to sleep now. It's 4:24 am here.

20:24:31 xinxi: ttyl

20:24:38 BingoBoingo: Keep his hash in friendly hands for the next diff drop.

20:24:41 mircea_popescu: wow check it out, they still sleep in china.

20:24:49 pete_dushenski: xinxi: cheers

20:24:57 xinxi: cheer

20:24:59 xinxi: cheers

20:25:08 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: from 4:30-6:00am...

20:25:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah ima going to try and make him give me moar for less seeing how the estimated difficulty increase never materialised!

20:25:18 xinxi: I sleep in Singapore

20:25:23 mircea_popescu: 0.21 next round X-Rob ? :D

20:25:27 asciilifeform: from we-hate-laptops-dept. news: it is well known that you can only buy lcd panels with 6-bit colour channels now. the latest ones look just like cheap newsprint when the dithering (e.g. gray screenfull) kicks in.

20:25:52 X-Rob: mircea_popescu: Mmmmm. Sounds plausible. I won't turn anything off.

20:25:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah srsly, the terminal suffers so!

20:25:59 X-Rob: you've still got this week anyway

20:26:05 X-Rob: and for the next couple of weeks I'm in the US.

20:26:11 mircea_popescu: yup ima pay you now and we can talk about it once you're free

20:26:14 mircea_popescu: laters!

20:26:38 asciilifeform: but interestingly, only some people can see it (showed it to one fellow, he could, other - not)

20:27:28 mircea_popescu: yeah vision in human is widely variant

20:27:36 mircea_popescu: better classifier than skin tone actually.

20:27:37 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: so no macbook pro retina? ;)

20:27:52 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but interestingly, only some people can see it (showed it to one fellow, he could, other - not) << colorbliness being incredibly common is super open secret sort of disabilitit

20:27:52 ThickAsThieves: yeah sound slike you need a macbook

20:28:31 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/surveillance-mogul-make-bitcoin-like-paypal/

20:28:32 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: apple ships 6-bit only for several years now.

20:28:33 BingoBoingo: <ThickAsThieves> yeah sound slike you need a macbook << Macintosh portable seems like better value proposition

20:28:55 ThickAsThieves: really? then i guess you need to carry an imac around

20:29:23 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: no, seriously - apple -only- ships 6-bit panels. in all products. since '08 or so.

20:29:57 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: because, afaik, that is the only kind being produced. anywhere.

20:31:36 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: Macintosh portable seems like better value proposition << my mom had one of these when i was young. she used to take it on business trips to russia.

20:32:01 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Best value proposition though is Ti-89

20:32:57 pete_dushenski: can't really irc with one...

20:33:10 BingoBoingo: Why not? Has serial connection

20:34:08 pete_dushenski: hm. i guess so.

20:35:18 pete_dushenski: or this: http://education.ti.com/en/us/products/calculators/graphing-calculators/ti-nspire-cx-cas-handheld/tabs/overview#tab=specifications

20:35:19 assbot: TI-Nspire CX CAS - Math. Science. Algebraic Precision. All on One Handheld. by Texas Instruments - US and Canada

20:35:23 danielpbarron: still got my ti-89; that was my favorite toy in school / used it in non-math classes instead of paying attention

20:35:37 BingoBoingo: STFU, need color computer. You need color go outside. Find girl and take on date. Much color there. Computer just needs === True

20:35:50 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The nspire uses Arm turd

20:36:48 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: til

20:39:35 danielpbarron: i like color terminal; i color nicknames based on WoT rating

20:41:19 bounce: value proposition for what?

20:41:57 BingoBoingo: Calculating missile routes.

20:42:16 bounce: how about a hp50g then?

20:44:08 BingoBoingo: Sounds interesting

20:44:43 danielpbarron: i wonder if i can get any of the freetalklive derps to join -assets / been tweeting at them for a while now

20:45:01 BingoBoingo: Who are they?

20:45:23 danielpbarron: they think they are in Bitcoin and are on over 100 radio stations in the US

20:46:04 BingoBoingo: Ah

20:49:26 danielpbarron: not sure if they are government plants or just really naive

20:53:58 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well you have to consider the idiots who write us off for suggesting Hearn or Gavin could be coopted and have interest agaisnt Bitcoin.

20:54:00 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in exactly the same place as the goats growing recombinant butyrylcholinesterase (antidote+prophylactic against organophosphate poisoning, $30k+ a dose at current production methods) << steepish. but is one dose enough?

20:54:32 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: For obolacare, one is never enough

20:55:04 pete_dushenski: sure. but goats are presumably for private parties only, neh?

20:55:21 pete_dushenski: the politburo types...

20:55:40 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, one of them wants to write me off for suggesting that altcoins are not a thing, and another outright bashed bitcoin in favor of whatever scamcoin of the month he fancies

20:56:50 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Ah so these are warrior forum sorts. Also know as the Glen Beck will say anything so long as it keeps Goldline happy.

20:56:56 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Maybe?

20:57:17 devthedev: danielpbarron: freetalklive?

20:57:49 danielpbarron: devthedev, ya

21:00:20 devthedev: ha, https://twitter.com/DevinSenaUI/status/521765043659362304

21:00:21 assbot: If ISIS takes Baghdad... just... wow. Freaking US better do SOMETHING other than shooting spitballs at them from the sky. /hashtag/ISIS?src=hash /hashtag/ISIL?src=hash /hashtag/USA?src=hash

21:04:32 BingoBoingo: http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/10/13/1814223/secretive-x-37b-military-space-plane-could-land-on-tuesday

21:04:32 assbot: Secretive X-37B Military Space Plane Could Land On Tuesday - Slashdot

21:05:11 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: Adlai: now go and see reaction time vs. intelligence (take your pick of any known simple test for either of the two). disturbingly close. 0.8, if i recall. << til again! this would explain why i was one of the very few non-asian kids playing badminton at a high junior level.

21:05:53 pete_dushenski: diametric: i'll change my nick for 10 bitcoin. << for 10 bitcents it might be worth it do not confuse you with decimation

21:06:25 mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> they think they are in Bitcoin and are on over 100 radio stations in the US << worst comes to worst we'll have some lulz.

21:07:07 mircea_popescu: lol if. what if.

21:08:02 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski this would explain why i was one of the very few non-asian kids playing badminton at a high junior level. << well, either that or the other kids thinking badminton's for fags and nobody having translated the memo in azn ?

21:12:07 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ya asian kids don't hockey so well.

21:12:40 pete_dushenski: that's pretty much the extent of the needed translation: "you're small and frail. go play badminton."

21:14:04 pete_dushenski: as a result, the asian kids and i aren't suffering from the braindamage of a few dozen concussions mixed with cum crackers.

21:14:39 pete_dushenski: fags 1: hockey 0

21:17:13 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: There aren't very many black or hispanic hockey player either, thoughts from up north?

21:17:37 TheNewDeal: they just don't play

21:17:40 TheNewDeal: it's not that they would be bad

21:17:53 BingoBoingo: The few that play do tend to be really good.

21:17:56 mod6: There was a black kid I played with. Broke his arm.

21:18:01 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: there aren't that many of either of those peoples who find their way into the arctic. they prefer equatorial zones.

21:18:15 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

21:18:16 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 395.45, Best ask: 395.74, Bid-ask spread: 0.29000, Last trade: 395.77, 24 hour volume: 21705.15008897, 24 hour low: 368.07, 24 hour high: 396.89, 24 hour vwap: 379.96685681

21:20:49 mod6: %ob

21:20:51 atcbot: 7k@266 99k@255 30k@225 | 2k@195 45k@190 4k@185

21:24:57 mod6: ;;bc,stats

21:24:59 gribble: Current Blocks: 325197 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 1394 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 6 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36634046167.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.66128

21:25:04 mod6: %d

21:25:06 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 318823.44 in 234 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.02

21:25:09 thestringpuller: %tlsb

21:25:24 mod6: bzzt

21:25:25 thestringpuller: %tslb

21:25:26 atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#46134): 1 hour(s), 38 minutes

21:25:31 thestringpuller: :(

21:25:36 mod6: :>

21:25:39 mod6: %p

21:25:43 atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1301.09 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 2.03 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.63 TH/s

21:25:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 75 @ 0.03704643 = 2.7785 BTC [-] {9}

21:26:21 mod6: how's it hangin tsp?

21:26:40 pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats

21:26:43 gribble: Current Blocks: 325198 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 1393 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 3 hours, 56 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36583567526.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.51707

21:27:04 X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I'm happy to take .21btc, but you're ripping yourself off.

21:27:05 mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> as a result, the asian kids and i aren't suffering from the braindamage of a few dozen concussions mixed with cum crackers. << they still do the cum crackers ?!

21:27:20 pete_dushenski: o most definitely.

21:27:25 X-Rob: .17 is more realistic

21:27:44 mircea_popescu: X-Rob i was just being ironic and everything

21:27:48 X-Rob: 8)

21:30:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00073966 = 26.5168 BTC [-] {2}

21:30:22 BingoBoingo: O.o xanthyos

21:30:25 BingoBoingo: !up xanthyos

21:30:31 BingoBoingo: ;;ident xanthyos

21:30:32 gribble: Nick 'xanthyos', with hostmask 'xanthyos!xanthyos@silenceisdefeat.com', is identified as user 'xanthyos', with GPG key id B62E7295387001E9, key fingerprint DB744745C970CF95E27AE214B62E7295387001E9, and bitcoin address None

21:31:25 xanthyos: gribble and chanserv are fighting over who wants to authenticate me

21:31:49 xanthyos: guess chanserv has to go first

21:34:27 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: there's no age limit, you can be an adult at about 12. << thus, bar/bat mitzvah.

21:35:57 pete_dushenski: treat the wee jooz like adults from that point on and maybe they can run a bank, movie studio, etc. without fucking it up.

21:39:49 bounce: so you're advocating the jooz should run teh coontry now? like the big joo conspiracy isn't a bad thing or something.

21:39:58 mod6: %vwap s.mpoe

21:40:03 mod6: bah

21:40:06 mod6: $vwap s.mpoe

21:40:07 empyex: mod6: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00073908 high: 0.00074368 low: 0.00073411 volume: 1783412 btc: 1318.08000386 7 day: average: 0.00074037 high: 0.00074875 low: 0.00073411 volume: 5366781 btc: 3973.38786209 30 day: average: 0.00074688 high: 0.0007685 low: 0.00073411 volume: 21693517 btc: 16202.4226007

21:40:50 pete_dushenski: bounce: more that they're on to something. something that in some times and places is widely emulated. others, not.

21:41:48 bounce: plenty tribes have that sort of ritual. them jooz still see themselves as a tribe, so it fits.

21:42:09 pete_dushenski: being a numerate, literate adult is a worthwhile goal, neh?

21:42:18 bounce: not unrelatedly, confirmation in the catholic church.

21:42:34 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo >Surveillance Mogul: Make Bitcoin Like Paypal < last link/sentence is a bit off

21:43:31 BingoBoingo: Alignment corrected

21:46:12 thestringpuller: mod6: it makes me sad to see the block lagging for ATC

21:46:23 BingoBoingo: Oh, the things wrong with this web design https://citizenfourfilm.com/

21:46:24 assbot: Home | CITIZENFOUR

21:48:17 xanthyos: actually it's mostly the goyim who project the tribal label onto the jews

21:48:28 BingoBoingo: %tslb

21:48:28 xanthyos: the majority of jews are secularists

21:48:29 atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#46135): 0 hour(s), 20 minutes

21:49:48 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: how can one love anything about nyc << pretty much my thoughts exactly, being the soul-depleting shithole that it is.

21:50:25 xanthyos: nyc is a nice place if you don't have to drive in it

21:50:54 xanthyos: except when it's too hot, or cold, or smelling like pee

21:51:00 xanthyos: or garbage water

21:51:40 thestringpuller: good evening hanbot

21:51:43 *: thestringpuller hat tip

21:52:31 hanbot: howdy

21:52:53 pete_dushenski: xanthyos: last time i was there is was cold, humid, and all too smelly. didn't leave an impression that i'm eager to rekindle.

21:54:05 mod6: thestringpuller: ya, it's been like that from jumpstreet

21:57:54 BingoBoingo: !up CryptoGoon

21:57:59 BingoBoingo: !up hguux

22:00:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33393 @ 0.00073836 = 24.6561 BTC [-] {2}

22:01:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4723 @ 0.00073676 = 3.4797 BTC [-]

22:05:18 BingoBoingo: !up hagbardgroup

22:07:41 mod6: thestringpuller: here you can see the diff chart (180 days), http://atc.blockr.io/charts - that's when they mined the shit out of it driving the diff up by 4x

22:08:02 mod6: just before aug 15

22:12:55 mod6: alas: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/

22:12:56 assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:15:33 mod6: ;;ticker

22:15:34 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.85, Best ask: 402.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 401.8, 24 hour volume: 25083.84738000, 24 hour low: 368.07, 24 hour high: 405.0, 24 hour vwap: 383.112657872

22:15:44 mod6: speaking of the one and only...

22:16:43 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0YY9HX0.txt )

22:16:43 BingoBoingo: !b 5

22:30:49 mod6: http://qntra.net/2014/10/surveillance-mogul-make-bitcoin-like-paypal/ << herp^derp

22:30:50 assbot: Surveillance Mogul: Make Bitcoin Like Paypal

22:35:32 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/regulating-bitcoin-and-block-chain-derivatives-by-houman-b-shadab/

22:36:44 kakobrekla: awww, so close to Shadap

22:37:11 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0SP4Y1E.txt )

22:37:11 BingoBoingo: !b 2

22:44:03 assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4

22:44:21 PeterL: !up nanjashogun

22:44:45 PeterL: !up ninjashogun

22:44:58 ninjashogun: thanks, peter

22:45:07 PeterL: yw

22:45:53 PeterL: havn't you been around here a while? why no self-voicing?

22:46:21 mats_cd03: he doesn't have any fans

22:46:37 PeterL: ninjashogun: I'm the startup founder you talked with before - I hvae the two projects/companies farther along, that I don't think we discussed, and I bleieve we discussed the solar plane in depth. << yes, I remember that conversation

22:46:41 ninjashogun: PeterL, I only have troll ratings and one from Adlai

22:46:57 PeterL: I think I understand why

22:47:03 ninjashogun: PeterL not sure what hte voice requirements are exactly.

22:47:19 PeterL: you just have to have a positive L2 from assbot

22:47:33 PeterL: ;;gettrust assbot ninjashogun

22:47:33 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ninjashogun!~User@unaffiliated/ninjashogun. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ninjashogun: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ninjashogun | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ninjashogun | Rated since: Thu Jun 26 19:05:58 2014

22:47:34 ninjashogun: Also, I think that the trolls "won" because I'm not able to rate positively the people I have had good connectoins with (gribble says I 'don't qualify') so obviously they won't reciprocate. My ratings look like a troll's.

22:48:01 ninjashogun: For exmaple, i would rate you a 1 (easily) based on our previous conversation, but it wouldn't accept it.

22:49:12 ninjashogun: Someone said I should 'start over' and just make a new account, but I only have 1 entry in WoT (this one, where I'm authenticated) and I prefer to remain sane and normal until troll ratings come around.

22:49:52 kakobrekla: omg adlai what have you done.

22:50:01 ninjashogun: kakobrekla, relax, Peter gave me voice :)

22:50:14 ninjashogun: and hello to you too.

22:50:43 PeterL: I didn't see what adlai did, so this is not his fault

22:51:23 kakobrekla: suspekt everythink

22:51:46 ninjashogun: kakobrekla, :)

22:52:10 PeterL: ninjashogun: it does not inspire trust that you come here under different names

22:52:24 ninjashogun: I didn't. This is hte only WoT entry.

22:54:08 ninjashogun: PeterL even though as you can see I am immediately being trolled :) It's okay though, I guess this is part of the process. I saw totally normal people being driven out of here by the trolling. It's like a rite of passage though, I don't mind.

22:54:25 PeterL: and as to our previous conversation, solar power increases as the square of the scale, weight increases as the cube of the scale, so while solar power might work for model airplanes it will be infeasible for carrying things

22:54:47 ninjashogun: PeterL as I mentioned before I prefer to discuss this privately. This is a logged channel.

22:55:28 ninjashogun: if you want to google why, search >patent law public disclosure< -- e..g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_disclosure

22:55:28 assbot: Public disclosure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

22:55:52 ninjashogun: (for anyone following along, this is quite different than being private for hte sake of not fucking a product launch up.)

22:56:18 PeterL: what about being private for not wanting to be proven an idiot?

22:57:21 ninjashogun: PeterL, that's an interesting tone you strike. Out of curiosity, have you ever made anything? (other than promises)

22:57:34 ninjashogun: I mean actually made something.

22:57:49 PeterL: can you be more specific by "thing"?

22:58:05 kakobrekla: ninjashogun i wonder how come you scalped Adlai for a rating, was it because he is fresh and got a rating from mp

22:58:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00074185 = 10.9052 BTC [+] {2}

22:59:05 ninjashogun: kakobrekla, he's just a normal guy. we just talked online. (no transactions or anything.)

22:59:37 kakobrekla: from all the normal guys...

22:59:39 BingoBoingo: I dun think Adlai knows better yet

23:01:01 ninjashogun: BingoBoingo, what, that it's better to troll than to have a normal conversation and discuss something? No, he doesn't seem to have caught on. He also isn't very active in these channels though.

23:02:15 BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: Stuff like Wi-Fi more secure than wires makes it hard to give your other ideas charitable interpretations, and I tried god damn it.

23:03:08 bounce: ninjashogun, according to you this channel must be full of "trolls". why then are you even here?

23:03:12 ninjashogun: BingoBoingo, reading my message to you on CNN is more secure than a wired link, if the former uses PKI and the latter doesn't. I'm sorry you don't know this distinction.

23:03:15 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/521798316514750464

23:03:16 assbot: Confirming that /newsweeklied is the legitimate legal defense fund for Dorian Nakamoto. cc: /ethankirschner, /aantonop

23:03:23 ninjashogun: you can read about it here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_key_infrastructure

23:03:24 assbot: Public key infrastructure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

23:03:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00074269 = 28.5193 BTC [+] {3}

23:03:57 ben_vulpes: ninjashogun: a solar plane?!

23:03:59 PeterL: ninjashogun: I didn't realize about the public disclosure thing, but it makes sense in the sense that patents last a certain number of years from when the thing is invented, and this keeps people from only filing the patent years later when they realize it is worth money

23:04:07 BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: What is easiest for the back van across the street to intercept though?

23:04:11 ninjashogun: bounce - it's not only full of trolls. Even though PeterL has just resorted to calling me an idiot (in keeping with this channel) he makes a good point about volume and weight. (Poorly expressed.)

23:04:29 ninjashogun: PeterL - yes, we discussed this previously, it was a condition of speaking with you about it.

23:04:29 bounce: that doesn't answer the question

23:04:34 PeterL: I didn't exactly call you an idiot, but if the shoe fits ...

23:04:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13576 @ 0.00073971 = 10.0423 BTC [-]

23:05:17 ninjashogun: PeterL - Your point is okay but of course this is a counterexample http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Helios in the sense that this has a payload, and flies indefinitely. So the question is more one of degree than absolute feasability.

23:05:17 assbot: NASA Helios - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

23:05:37 ben_vulpes: hey why not an air-breathing mach-5 vehicle?

23:05:46 ben_vulpes: if the brits can do it, why can't ninjashogun?

23:05:54 ben_vulpes: after all, all he needs is capital and then the magic will happen!

23:05:58 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes> hey why not an air-breathing mach-5 vehicle? << H00000000H

23:06:07 *: ninjashogun rolls eyes.

23:06:17 bounce: I'd say "whoosh" but the sonic boom disagrees

23:06:25 BingoBoingo: !up jaggered

23:06:32 ben_vulpes: ;;google sabre engine

23:06:32 gribble: SABRE (rocket engine) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SABRE_(rocket_engine); Reaction Engines Ltd - The SABRE Engine: http://www.reactionengines.co.uk/sabre.html; Reaction Engines Ltd - SABRE: How it works: http://www.reactionengines.co.uk/sabre_howworks.html

23:07:03 BingoBoingo: bounce: No, I'm proposing H00000000H as the fuel

23:07:08 PeterL: ninjashogun: NASA also put a guy on the moon, but there are no companies doing that (yet)

23:07:30 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/butterfly-labs-seek-to-have-ftc-complaint-dismissed/

23:07:32 bounce: fuel? that would be a little inefficient.

23:08:26 ninjashogun: PeterL, well, sure, but if you call me an idiot and make an impossibility argument, then a counterexample weakens your case. It also makes it hard to collaborate. It's why I wondered if you ever got any projects to fruition, i.e. actually made anything. There is a continuum from idea through execution and name-caling isn't usually on there.

23:09:20 PeterL: I'm a chemist, I try to work with things that are possible

23:09:21 ben_vulpes: bitbet, mpex, qntra, war of life...

23:09:26 BingoBoingo: bounce: Nah, just build more rockets under it then sail the interstallar medium on inertia

23:09:29 ben_vulpes: no execution around, nope.

23:09:55 ninjashogun: PeterL - in chemistry, if something exists it doesn't imply that it's chemically possible?

23:10:28 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well... s.qntr lacks shares atm

23:11:08 bounce: so what would the expected phase of that stuff be? though note that O usually doesn't count as /fuel/

23:11:12 BingoBoingo: on the plus side s.qntr hopefully will help jurov with +coinbr

23:11:17 PeterL: well, we have heavy metals because fusion happened in stars, but I am not going to try making useful quantities of gold and silver in my lab

23:11:32 ninjashogun: PeterL good point.

23:11:33 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo i dont use twitter but i fink it would be appropriate for qntra to get a feed. just a suggestion.

23:11:35 BingoBoingo: bounce: The expected phase is reacting so hard.

23:11:46 bounce: except that. sheesh.

23:11:56 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Sgornick set one up and cazalla took it off him

23:12:09 ninjashogun: PeterL - It actually matches something really intreresting from patent law. Chemistry is actually one of the sciences where you need to fully e.g. synthesize the thing, actually make it, since it's considered an "unpredictable" art. In other areas it's just enough for it to be obvoius that the design works a certain way.

23:12:13 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/qntra

23:12:15 assbot: Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter

23:12:15 kakobrekla: is it working?

23:12:17 PeterL: speaking of s.qntr http://blog.btcscoop.com/infinitely-inflating-stock-s-qntr/

23:12:18 assbot: Infinitely inflating stock S.QNTR | BTC Scoop Blog

23:12:50 kakobrekla: sort of working i see , cool :)

23:12:57 ninjashogun: see http://www.uclalawreview.org/?p=230 for example. Patents in chemistry are super super specific, based on actually synthesized things with very precise enablement steps only, and don't cover classes of things at all.

23:12:59 assbot: Heightened Enablement in the Unpredictable Arts « UCLA Law Review

23:14:03 *: dub read Hieghtened Entitlement

23:14:19 kakobrekla: should link it from the homepage

23:15:21 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Will happen eventualy. At least RSS is on the homepage.

23:15:29 PeterL: some of the work I do is "let's synthesize X because it will work like Y (maybe?), which Other Company has a patent on"

23:15:42 cazalla: BingoBoingo, not yet i didn't

23:15:47 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo feel free to say 'fuck off already'.

23:16:01 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: And end the jokes?

23:16:19 kakobrekla: those cant be fucked off

23:16:26 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: This is your chance to avenge all of the BitBet slurs.

23:16:51 kakobrekla: hehe

23:18:18 BingoBoingo: Anyways fucking off is fun

23:19:49 BingoBoingo: And unlike MtGox I hack on live php withou knowing php or crashing the thing. All of those ======== make php friendly like that.

23:20:19 kakobrekla: always add 'yet' with such things.

23:21:25 BingoBoingo: ... yet.

23:22:00 BingoBoingo: ... so far.

23:22:33 ben_vulpes: ninjashogun, PeterL: I know! let's build a rocket with RFNO!

23:22:40 ben_vulpes: it's totally possible! we should totally do it!

23:22:44 kakobrekla: ;;google libratax

23:22:44 gribble: LibraTax - Accounting and tax software for Bitcoin, Ripple, and other ...: http://www.libratax.com/; LibraTax (@Libra_Tax) | Twitter: https://twitter.com/Libra_Tax; LibraTax Looks To Solve Bitcoin Tax Accounting-Related Woes ...: http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/24/libratax-2/

23:22:49 ben_vulpes: it's even a good idea (tm)!

23:22:58 PeterL: what's rfno?

23:23:06 assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4

23:23:07 kakobrekla: !s libratax

23:23:07 assbot: 0 results for 'libratax' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=libratax

23:23:50 kakobrekla: libratax, sounds as good as freedeath

23:24:49 BingoBoingo: ;;ud libra

23:24:50 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=libra | People born between September 24 and October 20. 7th sign. Represented by scales. Opposite sign = aries Gets along with = aries, libra, aquarius, g...

23:25:21 *: BingoBoingo kinda anticipated an Italian bra

23:25:45 xanthyos: i was born on 9/26 and my mortal enemy is an aquarian. horoscopy isn't science

23:26:18 xanthyos: actually more than one

23:26:22 mike_c: you may not believe in astrology, but astrology believes in you.

23:26:29 xanthyos: i have 3 distinct aquarian enemies

23:26:39 xanthyos: astrology and oroscopy arent' the same

23:26:43 xanthyos: stars vs sun

23:26:50 xanthyos: not that either is legit

23:26:53 kakobrekla: cause star is not a sun

23:26:57 mike_c: hehe

23:26:57 ben_vulpes: PeterL: red fuming nitric oxide

23:27:03 ben_vulpes: one of the neater rocket fuels around

23:27:04 BingoBoingo: Colonoscopy is pretty legit though.

23:27:17 xanthyos: horo - horus - sun, astr- - star

23:27:39 xanthyos: the ancients didn't see the sun as a star

23:27:40 PeterL: ben_vulpes: sounds like something fun to work with

23:28:17 mike_c: who crappe don the logs this time?

23:28:23 mike_c: ahh, peterl

23:28:50 mike_c: upping ninjashogun is so masochistic.

23:29:01 PeterL: sorry, I didn't think it was that bad?

23:29:20 mike_c: how many times has he asked you for money?

23:29:33 PeterL: when I upped him I didn't realize it was the same crackpot I had talked to before

23:29:37 BingoBoingo: PeterL: Over time he seems less bad, until he seems souper bad again.

23:31:17 asciilifeform: http://www.wired.com/2014/10/nsa-mind-bender-wont-tell-info-already-leaked-media << mega-lol

23:31:17 assbot: NSA Mind-Bender: We Won't Tell You What Info We Already Leaked to the Media | WIRED

23:33:12 kakobrekla: lol

23:33:44 mike_c: [19:33] <ninjashogun> have you had a look at the logs? Usually it's barely legal porn and random derping.

23:33:49 mike_c: can't argue with that.

23:35:07 kakobrekla: shiiiiiiiiiiiii

23:35:10 kakobrekla: iiiiiiiiiiit.

23:35:48 mike_c: when is b-a going to list itself on mpex and pay shares based on line count?

23:36:04 kakobrekla: first we need to start charging for them lines

23:39:15 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.gwern.net/Self-decrypting%20files

23:39:15 assbot: Time-lock encryption - Gwern.net

23:40:19 asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol: same idiocy as the 'asic resistant altcoin' problem.

23:40:45 asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol: you can easily come up with a non-parallelizable problem, but asking that 'no one have unfair advantage' is absurd.

23:41:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00073676 = 1.6209 BTC [-]

23:45:41 RagnarDanneskjol: yes, ultimately limited to a single dedicated timekeeping box. still, he managed to flesh out the concept well

23:46:02 asciilifeform: there is no concept. the idea of releasing a crypted turd sans key is ancient.

23:46:12 asciilifeform: hell, captain kidd supposedly did it at his hanging.

23:46:13 RagnarDanneskjol: i knnow

23:46:42 asciilifeform: but it is in no sense a 'time lock.'

23:46:56 asciilifeform: for one thing, the clock doesn't tick unless someone actually gives a damn.

23:48:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.11147999 = 3.3444 BTC [-] {4}

23:51:26 RagnarDanneskjol: successive squaring.. etc. but yes I concede your point. sorry, am at work righ now, unprepared to hash it out further

23:53:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i discovered that the machine with the dithering lcd wasn't just dithering. it has a 'pentile' screen (hard-wired white pixel in the middle of each rgb element! for fraudulently increased apparent brightness.) had no idea this even existed.

23:54:12 asciilifeform: not every day one discovers a totally new scamatron, on own skin.

23:56:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.00073599 = 40.553 BTC [-] {3}

23:57:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall this being discussed before somewhere

23:57:21 asciilifeform: i'm sure it was

23:57:44 asciilifeform: but, missed it. didn't even suspect there was any further to go, through the already abysmal floor lcd quality dropped to.

23:58:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.0007359 = 1.7294 BTC [-]

23:59:24 mircea_popescu: i doubt the trend towards worse quality will change before sound money is reintroduced

23:59:47 mircea_popescu: generally fake money regimes induce this inflation-through-lowering-quality economic aberration

23:59:51 asciilifeform: what is interesting is that genuine product becomes unavailable at any price.