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06:06:43 funkenstein_: punkman, no torrent for you but you can listen to the album here: http://i.xiami.com/xh

06:06:52 assbot: 小河好听的歌_小河的歌_小河最新歌曲 - 虾米音乐 ... ( http://bit.ly/2gBBre5 )

06:07:35 funkenstein_: he's got five albums on there at the bottom, the one you were interested in is 傻瓜的情歌

06:13:55 funkenstein_: guy is all over the place lol, reminds me of manu chao, moondog, les claypool, david byrne...

06:15:59 funkenstein_: er actually looks like only two tracks from that album on here.. hmm

06:46:43 funkenstein_: and uh, i recommend extra cautious with that kind of nightlife 在上海

06:46:48 funkenstein_: !ud shanghai

06:47:30 funkenstein_: ;;ud shanghai

06:47:31 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3Dshanghai | shanghai. Term describing a type of kidnapping.Back in the 17th and 18th century in back alleys behind orphanages and bars there were trap doors that were ...

09:10:01 pankkake: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-38284485 Central bank data suggests there are more than six billion 100-bolivar notes in circulation, making up almost half of all currency

09:10:02 assbot: Venezuela pulls highest-value banknote 'to strike against mafia' - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/2gCgAqO )

11:30:58 kakobrekla: lol again with this nonsense

11:33:48 pankkake: I don't know which euro bills to hoard anymore!

11:33:55 pankkake: (inb4 none)

11:39:42 kakobrekla: afaik the 500s will be valid for a long time to come

11:39:53 kakobrekla: you just wont be able to get new ones or smth

11:40:05 kakobrekla: just saying

12:31:43 punkman: the point is to make you declare or exchange them at some point

12:37:11 jurov: the 500euros were never in widespread usage, when you got one it was pita to spend it

12:37:47 jurov: so ECB is content to just keep them valid and stop issuing new ones

12:40:11 jurov: iirc they wanted similatly stop 100s and 200s, but maybe next time

13:07:03 kakobrekla: incidentally i think the only time i was dealing with 500s was about 10 years ago and was in fact coming from the underground economy

13:07:48 pankkake: you were a thug?

13:08:53 kakobrekla: i dont think thug is the right word

13:16:53 punkman: I'm guessing underground as in undeclared/untaxed

13:18:35 kakobrekla: lets just leave it at that :)

13:21:15 punkman: in local cash control non-news, if you wanna send money outside .gr you get 500eur per user per bank, but banks also have global daily/monthly limits, so depends on phase of moon when you can send what

13:22:00 kakobrekla: any service solving this via buttcoin?

13:22:05 kakobrekla: local bitcoins i guess

13:22:47 punkman: not really

13:31:29 punkman: min wage is less than 500eur anyway, and they can withdraw 420eur per week in cash, makes no difference to most peeple

14:27:30 jurov: in most cases creating bank account/company in estonia is more convenient than bitcoin

14:27:53 jurov: using the "e-citizenship" program you don't even have to travel there

14:28:13 punkman: I've heard you gotta visit

14:28:14 Framedragger: have you done it jurov? i've heard of their thing but iirc you are still required to physically go there to get things started, no?

14:28:17 Framedragger: ^

14:28:51 pankkake: Establish an Estonian company online. A physical address in Estonia is required to establish an Estonian company. An Estonian address may be obtained via an external service provider.

14:30:34 pankkake: kinda expensive

14:30:54 Framedragger: ah maybe you can sets up a 'physical address' in the same way that uk companies house requires a company address: go to website, obtain virtual office address for $smallsum, done

14:30:54 jurov: okay, so bank account only

14:31:18 asciilifeform: why estonia, why not, e.g., caymans.

14:31:32 Framedragger: (like, 10 or 15 quid a year, plus 10 or 15 quid a year to establish and maintain limited company in uk)

14:31:36 punkman: asciilifeform: harder to do bizness with caymans

14:32:23 Framedragger: free/cheap bank xfer across all eurozone, no fees for doing bzns across EEA, etc etc

14:34:21 jurov: ^ and it might even solve the access to cash problem

14:54:45 punkman: http://zhijunwang.com/ sneaker mask

14:54:52 assbot: ZJ DESIGN | Originated in Beijing ... ( http://bit.ly/2gVRsHI )

15:53:33 punkman: http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2016/12/lockheed-martin-stock-trump-tweet-wipes-2-billion-dollars/

15:53:35 assbot: Trump trash tweet slashes £1.6 billion off Lockheed Martin’s stock | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/2gDGJpa )

16:19:21 punkman: ;;tall

16:19:26 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 779.99, vol: 4628.05604166 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 769.897, vol: 3909.01619 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 780.55, vol: 5934.58576562 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 783.94, vol: 5215.70996631 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 789.013752, vol: 1434948.41230000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 782.466, vol: 1128.6913006 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 780.95, vol: 2246.68622678 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

16:22:15 punkman: https://medium.com/@johnblocke/bitcoin-economics-in-one-lesson-9c18fd0d89b3#.sw6np48yz

16:22:16 assbot: Bitcoin Economics in One Lesson – John Blocke – Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/2gWeZbB )

16:23:19 asciilifeform: punkman: forkforkfork

16:23:29 asciilifeform: what are these folx waiting for, why the 3year propaganda storm.

16:23:58 asciilifeform: clearly they have not been reading their kakobrekla .

16:28:03 punkman: had to come up with segwit first

16:28:18 punkman: and couple of failed attempts inbetween

16:29:22 punkman: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/amazon-warehouse-workers-have-resorted-to-sleeping-in-tents

16:29:23 assbot: Amazon Warehouse Workers Have Resorted To Sleeping In Tents | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/2gWdUR4 )

16:31:11 Framedragger: ^ a friend works in that particular centre, apparently they deduct points when you go on sick leave; you are micromanaged to insanity, "why did you scan that thing twice, oh it was a bug on our end, well okay" (but many times a day), etc

16:31:34 punkman: the new "Nike sweatshop"

16:32:27 punkman: camping out in scotland during christmas period sounds pretty hardcore

16:33:32 Framedragger: yea.

16:33:35 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2016#1462587 < haha, when you best explanation 'why' is a lyling scamming bullshit salesman and propaganda artist you gotta come to your senses and figure out you are deluded

16:33:35 assbot: Logged on 13-12-2016 16:23:58; asciilifeform: clearly they have not been reading their kakobrekla .

16:35:34 asciilifeform: well if these folx had read their kakobrekla, would then know they have nothing to fear, can fork six times every morning before breakfast and bitcoin will roll over and die without any fight

16:35:40 punkman: I'm starting to enjoy alf's and kako's back and forths

16:36:19 asciilifeform: kakobrekla oughta call up mike hearn, who last i recall was drinking sadly in switzerland, tell him he has a chance

16:36:27 kakobrekla: asciilifeform something not happening can not be attributed to some other random thing happening

16:36:39 jurov: if these folx have read their mp would then know they have nothing to fear because He Said So

16:37:03 punkman: "it is, not does"

16:37:06 kakobrekla: jurov reading does not help, you need attentiveness.

16:37:22 kakobrekla: many people read the bible, but only idiots of the dpb calibre can think it has to do anything with reality

16:39:39 asciilifeform: for a radical-skeptic d00d, kakobrekla appears to be quite certain of what can or cannot be attributed to what

16:41:19 kakobrekla: for a mad scientist alf is quite mad

16:41:32 asciilifeform: i did, incidentally, wonder, back in the early days of schism, whether kakobrekla would end up 'own man' or instead mircea_popescu-with-sign-bit-flipped

16:41:38 asciilifeform: seems -- the latter

16:41:55 kakobrekla: im glad you got it all figured out!

16:42:10 asciilifeform: if i had people figured out, why would i bother talking to them.

16:42:22 kakobrekla: what can i do if you keep brining up this nonsense subject

16:43:11 kakobrekla: https://i.imgur.com/IsmyhmC.png

16:43:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/2gDVAzW )

16:43:12 asciilifeform: if kakobrekla had wandered off into, e.g., unified field theory, rather than gavinism, i dun think i would ever have occasion to bring it up...

16:43:16 kakobrekla: ;;bc,convert thanks

16:43:17 gribble: Error: 'thanks' is not a valid currency code.

16:43:54 kakobrekla: asciilifeform keeps blaiming ME for trying to correct him

16:44:00 asciilifeform: hah, farnell. kakobrekla is also making hardwares now ?

16:44:06 asciilifeform: where do i buy

16:45:31 kakobrekla: i dont think i ever sold any of my hw contraptions ever

16:45:46 kakobrekla: -ever ?

16:45:53 kakobrekla: more ever more better

16:47:04 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it is, admittedly, a very different affair, to sell, than to make onesies for own use. but can be interesting in its own right.

16:47:28 kakobrekla: i would agree

16:47:49 kakobrekla: but also add that yours still looks like something not meant for use in the field

16:48:00 kakobrekla: at least not in the form you sell it

16:48:24 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it is a deliberately minimal item.

16:48:33 kakobrekla: or maybe the pics were not representative of the shipped product

16:48:37 asciilifeform: they -- are

16:48:39 kakobrekla: ok

16:48:49 asciilifeform: not really consumer product. think of it as ~component~, like your video card

16:48:55 asciilifeform: rather than a desk device

16:48:56 punkman: enclosure probably costs more than rest of hardware, right?

16:48:59 asciilifeform: correct

16:49:02 kakobrekla: well dont worry i will NOT be making a nicer trng to sell

16:49:30 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i wouldn't particularly worry, there are 100+ other rng

16:49:42 kakobrekla: cool

16:50:06 asciilifeform: incidentally schematics were published not long ago, if kakobrekla wanted to make ~identical~ rng, he also could.

16:50:21 kakobrekla: aha

17:01:47 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2016#1462593 < i thought nike preceded apples assembly lines

17:01:47 assbot: Logged on 13-12-2016 16:31:34; punkman: the new "Nike sweatshop"

17:09:45 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2016#1462604 < actually not only 'not help', its the thing that puts you in trouble in the first place

17:09:45 assbot: Logged on 13-12-2016 16:37:06; kakobrekla: jurov reading does not help, you need attentiveness.