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00:00:28 jurov: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/01/13/bitcoin-anonymity-upgrade-zerocoin-to-become-its-own-cryptocurrency/

00:00:30 ozbot: Bitcoin Anonymity Upgrade Zerocoin To Become An Independent Cryptocurrency - Forbes

00:00:42 jurov: altcoins announced on forbes nao

00:03:30 jurov: hahaha "were inspired by dogecoin"

00:05:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00529998 = 0.1378 BTC [+]

00:06:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1650 @ 0.00008199 = 0.1353 BTC [+] {2}

00:07:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02696994 = 0.1348 BTC [+]

00:26:54 dub: ima bout to IPO this bitch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9il52dlnnc&feature=youtu.be

00:28:03 dub: inspirating motherfuckers to sell

00:31:15 Duffer1: lol that chinese chick at 1:2-

00:35:02 Duffer1: http://earbleach.tumblr.com/

00:35:13 ozbot: ear bleach

00:36:57 KRS1: oh wow theres that japanese aerobic language skills video i remember that lol

00:37:43 Duffer1: haha

00:38:04 wao-ender: lol that czech lads with corncob pipe

00:38:10 Duffer1: still watching whitesnake trying to get service is sell out of my head

00:38:55 nubbins`: haha, are these the "i was robbed by two men" people?

00:38:57 nubbins`: ok no nevermind

00:39:15 nubbins`: just two white women humiliating themselves for no reason

00:45:00 Duffer1: wow i didn't even know that rush YYZ acapella existed, that's just awesome

00:55:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00084702 = 23.8013 BTC [-] {3}

00:57:44 nubbins`: always mildly nervous sending casascius coins in the mail

00:59:13 pankkake: basically you're sending a paper wallet

00:59:30 pankkake: if only you could transfer money over the internet

01:01:19 nubbins`: well nobody wants to pay 2btc for 1btc over the internet

01:01:31 nubbins`: otherwise, yeah, i'd just do that :P

01:02:05 KRS1: just fax it eh

01:02:23 nubbins`: my fax machine doesn't support silver ;(

01:03:46 pankkake: oh at least it's a silver coin

01:04:07 nubbins`: nod

01:04:11 nubbins`: very pretty

01:04:47 nubbins`: not [;;ticker --last] pretty, but pretty nonetheless

01:05:20 nubbins`: ah, been a while since that's happened

01:05:44 nubbins`: that used to be a bannable offence in many efnet chans

01:46:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10272 @ 0.000079 = 0.8115 BTC [-]

02:36:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.0052001 = 0.4784 BTC [-] {2}

02:51:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 101 @ 0.001 = 0.101 BTC [+]

02:54:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00008107 = 0.1621 BTC [-]

02:59:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.54040425 = 3.2424 BTC [-] {4}

03:13:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00085065 = 11.4838 BTC [+] {3}

03:25:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54 BTC [-]

03:28:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]

03:33:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02696496 = 0.1079 BTC [-]

04:49:46 fract4l: Ethereum just changed the game.... Mastercoin , bitshares, colored coins,,, all dead now

04:49:56 fract4l: Bitcoin might go too..

04:50:01 fract4l: ethereum.org/ethereum.html

04:50:06 fract4l: f33r th3 l33tn3ss

04:51:12 kakobrekla: shut up and take my money

04:51:42 BingoBoingo: fract4l: Like the web design

04:52:07 kakobrekla: i havent opened the link

04:52:25 fract4l: http://ethereum.org/ethereum.html

04:52:28 fract4l: f33r

04:53:00 Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412878.0

04:53:02 ozbot: Ethereum: 2nd gen cryptocurrency with contract programming, "dagger" hashing

04:53:07 kakobrekla: LEARN TO ENGLAND

04:55:03 fract4l: Ethereum just changed the game. everyone is fucked now.

04:55:15 Duffer1: looks like a dud to me

04:55:20 kakobrekla: But everyone was fucked before

04:55:23 kakobrekla: so what changed

04:56:52 BingoBoingo: Everyone is fucked. Etherium is fucked.

04:58:47 asciilifeform: did someone simply uncomment the scripting module in classic bitcoin?

04:59:16 kakobrekla: i dont know but the article says the autor is very smart

04:59:39 jcpham: obv satoshi's brother in law

04:59:43 asciilifeform: leaving aside the question whether this was a smart thing to do, that's what it looks like at first glance.

05:00:31 asciilifeform: 'A contract is essentially an automated agent that lives on the Ethereum network, has an Ethereum address and balance, and can send and receive transactions.'

05:00:45 asciilifeform: did i miss something? where does it live? on a particular machine? or on every node running the block chain?

05:01:07 asciilifeform: (if it's the former, this is deadly boring)

05:01:10 kakobrekla: prolly as "the client"

05:04:55 asciilifeform: the widespread obsession with 'memory-hard' workfunctions is peculiar

05:05:09 asciilifeform: as if DRAM had never been invented

05:05:24 asciilifeform: or it were somehow impossible to obtain cheaply

05:05:58 Duffer1: just a tactic to attract miners left out of the sha race

05:06:01 fract4l: As a result, we have a protocol with unique potential; rather than being a closed-ended, single-purpose protocol intended for a specific array of applications in data storage, gambling or finance, Ethereum is open-ended by design, and we believe that it is extremely well-suited to serving as a foundational layer for a very large number of both financial and non-financial protocols in the years to come.

05:06:05 fract4l: pwned.

05:06:10 fract4l: Ethereum >> *

05:06:50 kakobrekla: http://xkcd.com/927/

05:06:50 ozbot: xkcd: Standards

05:07:12 asciilifeform: how did this fellow miss the obvious usefulness of programmable workfunctions?

05:07:22 asciilifeform: he 'went meta' on nearly everything else

05:07:23 asciilifeform: but not this

05:09:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Turing coin? That ultimate FPGA coin you've mentioned before.

05:09:14 asciilifeform: one possible name, yes.

05:09:15 kakobrekla: i think it could prove hard to lauch a sha coin nowdays, since a lot of people can fuck with the blockchain

05:09:23 kakobrekla: on these small coins

05:09:49 asciilifeform: the 'memory hard' people are what is known in the armchair general community as a 'target-rich environment.'

05:09:55 Duffer1: they'd bend your blockchain over and do terrible terrible things to it

05:11:05 asciilifeform: the first joker who bothers to bake an scrypt asic will devour the altchains like smallpox devoured aboriginals

05:11:30 nubbins`: ..with infected blankets?

05:11:37 asciilifeform: or hell, even fpga with sdram controller

05:12:29 Duffer1: i hope that happens quickly, it'd be nice to see what devs come up with to counter 'scrypt asics'

05:13:15 asciilifeform: anything short of programmable workfunction will lead to a cat'n'mouse game rather expensive and unproductively unpleasant for all involved.

05:14:18 asciilifeform: at first glance, it would seem like the altchain devs could always outrun the asic folks

05:14:33 asciilifeform: given that it costs nothing to spawn a new alt, with a new workfunction, while asics are costly

05:14:37 asciilifeform: but this is a mistaken idea

05:14:52 asciilifeform: every forced move of this kind is a 'schism event'

05:15:53 Duffer1: they'll still have to attract miners, and attempt to mitigate the effects of launch attacks/stability

05:16:01 asciilifeform: and drives a wedge between user groups with conflicting interests (existing stakeholders want a difficult-to-mine coin, those who invested in miners want the miners to keep working)

05:16:18 Duffer1: how to evolve beyond cpu/mem intense functions?

05:16:37 asciilifeform: hard to attract miners if you make total war on them when they start to succeed.

05:17:00 Duffer1: devs are only worried about their own coin though

05:17:18 Duffer1: so they have to attract miners somehow

05:17:49 Duffer1: it's a fascinating ecosystem

05:18:07 asciilifeform: right now, panicking idiots are overwhelmingly incentivising covert mining.

05:18:23 asciilifeform: that is, if you are a large miner, it is increasingly a bad idea to look like what you are

05:18:37 Duffer1: hehe

05:18:38 asciilifeform: instead, buy ipv4 space, etc. the way spammers do.

05:21:11 asciilifeform: prog. workfunctions would give you a single coin with multiple workfunctions ('coloured' by origin, if you like), and so the actual market value of a particular 'work' could be determined.

05:22:28 Duffer1: one coin with variable pow?

05:22:29 asciilifeform: say, i want mr. moron's md5 hash 'cracked.' i offer to trade 10btc for 1000 moronhashcrackcoins.

05:22:50 asciilifeform: the whole exercise takes place on the block chain.

05:23:42 Duffer1: oh

05:24:00 asciilifeform: you, the worker, know that it is an honest trade, because you bring 100 moronhashcoins and get 1 btc, every step of the way, for arbitrarily small chunks.

05:24:44 asciilifeform: (actually coughing up a workfunction that does useful work is left as an exercise for the alert reader.)

05:26:52 BingoBoingo: X-Ray crystalography as a useful work function?

05:27:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you're probably thinking of ab initio protein folding

05:27:31 asciilifeform: x-ray crystallography is an actual physical measurement

05:27:51 asciilifeform: but it's one way to solve the energy-minimal 'where should the atoms go' question, yes.

05:28:56 asciilifeform: an altchain that *actually folds* would have no problem with wealth injection from the 'meatspace' universe

05:29:07 Duffer1: indeed

05:29:22 asciilifeform: (vs. an idiotchain that merely promises with kind words to fund things)

05:29:44 Duffer1: curecoin

05:29:46 Duffer1: >.<

05:29:59 asciilifeform: that'd be an example of the 'promises'

05:30:10 Duffer1: yea

05:31:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02696494 = 0.2427 BTC [-]

05:31:18 asciilifeform: the problem with workfunctions that do something useful is that, unless the supply of such jobs naturally tapers off (all interesting proteins found in nature eventually 'folded')

05:31:22 asciilifeform: you get an inflationary coin

05:32:04 BingoBoingo: Well X-Ray crystallography is indeed a hard physical problem with varying and more expensive levels of difficulty. X-raying a mineral crystal isn't so bad. A given protein in fluid is a bit harder. Getting a good picture of a receptor protein as it sits in the cell membrane is an incredibly hard problem.

05:32:58 asciilifeform: 'hard' isn't enough for the purpose of coin, you also need ease of verification.

05:37:10 asciilifeform: the subtle thing here is that 'useful' workfuncts must coexist with 'useless' ones - ideally, in the same blockchain.

05:37:17 asciilifeform: because they serve entirely different purposes

05:37:29 asciilifeform: (one is to promote a certain calculation; the other - store of value.)

05:38:55 asciilifeform: result at the end of the day should be to make it a hard fact that anyone who carries out the kind of calculation you want done, ends up with X btc for his trouble

05:39:09 asciilifeform: (conventional btc)

05:39:19 Duffer1: asciicoin inc?

05:39:43 asciilifeform: Duffer1: in case this wasn't obvious, this is not a product that threatens to actually exist.

05:39:58 Duffer1: lol i am aware :P

05:40:24 asciilifeform: and were it to exist, i'd have no part of it (otherwise occupied.)

05:49:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35031 @ 0.0008455 = 29.6187 BTC [-]

05:52:17 KRS1: yes as Duffer1 said fascinating ecosystem

05:56:18 asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating myself: 'moronhashcrackcoin' or 'foldprotein1B41coin' only has value to whoever commissioned that calculation.

05:56:36 asciilifeform: the person who carries it out will expect to be paid in something that is actually a stable store of value

05:56:56 asciilifeform: (coin with 'useless' workfunction, difficulty rampup, all the things we know and love)

05:57:26 Duffer1: perceived utility beyond energy wasting will drive popularity and coin value

05:57:40 Duffer1: xpm is great example

05:58:27 asciilifeform: if this were really so, 'curecoin' and the like would be great hits.

05:58:59 asciilifeform: but even with a coin that provably represents useful work: why should someone give you gold or cocaine because you helped fold a protein?

05:59:00 Duffer1: meh their pow doesn't actually do anything

05:59:13 asciilifeform: unless they in particular wished it folded

05:59:48 Duffer1: the perception is obviously that utility will drive adoption and popularity and value

05:59:50 asciilifeform: from the 'store of value' point of view, they expect that they can get a similar quantity of g or c or whatnot for the coin later.

06:00:58 asciilifeform: as far as i can tell (by no means an expert view), the thing that mainly drives adoption of classic btc is precisely reliability-as-store-of-value.

06:01:50 Duffer1: it's different with alts though, since they're all tied to how many bitcoins can i get for my shitcoin

06:02:11 asciilifeform: alts as the presently exist seem like a modernized version of 'penny stocks'

06:02:41 Duffer1: indeed, but with the potential to rapidly become something else

06:02:42 asciilifeform: scammers scam, and people who think themselves more clever than the scammer try to ride along

06:04:34 Duffer1: the right pow can change everything

06:05:14 asciilifeform: then, of course, is the other end of this spectrum:

06:05:16 asciilifeform: slavecoin.

06:05:30 asciilifeform: 'pow' based on proving that you wasted the time of living people, vs. mere machines.

06:06:02 KRS1: reading this conversation vs gmaxwell's conversation in -pricetalk is hurting my brain a little.

06:06:23 KRS1: you both had me glued

06:07:44 Duffer1: ascii knows far more about this than i do, i'm just going off what i've observed from the primecoin example

06:07:57 asciilifeform: crackpot hypothesis: every new cryptocoin can be seem as an attempt to 'replay' the history of money

06:08:14 asciilifeform: with (optionally) 'different winners'

06:08:39 asciilifeform: which 'winners' are optimized for, determines whether you get a turd (known alts) or something interesting ('classic' btc)

06:08:51 asciilifeform: *seen

06:09:34 Duffer1: i wouldn't call that crackpot at all

06:11:02 Duffer1: but i see evolution there as well

06:11:42 KRS1: primecoin is very interesting to me

06:11:52 KRS1: imo the only altcoin that might have value besides nmc

06:12:16 KRS1: but then again asciilifeform showed me how it too is worthless

06:12:19 asciilifeform: isn't that where they had nominally 'unspendable' reserves that got spent?

06:12:22 truffles: coinyecoin is best noob

06:12:49 Duffer1: all hail the brilliance of those devs

06:13:04 KRS1: no ipo for coinecoin and has no dogelike meme

06:14:32 asciilifeform: you can cut any 'weirdo' alt into two kinds of parts: actual mechanical parts - what will continue to work in just the algorithmic way specified, by 'byzantine' consensus of the participant nodes; and 'promises' - parts that depend on a handful of human doing as they promised

06:14:48 asciilifeform: the former is concrete and steel, the latter - 'duct tape.'

06:15:32 asciilifeform: btc is heavy on the concrete and steel; 'curecoin' (for example) is mostly tape.

06:15:45 Duffer1: indeed

06:15:55 asciilifeform: concrete/steel have breaking points, specified strength

06:15:56 Duffer1: what would you say of primecoin though?

06:16:29 asciilifeform: tape holds until it doesn't (yes, actual duct tape is a material that can be dealt with scientifically; we're thinking of the traditional 'philosophical' duct tape that just fscking snaps on you)

06:17:13 asciilifeform: i vaguely recall primecoin having its public goatfuck moment

06:17:25 asciilifeform: but, to be honest, i'm not the one to ask

06:17:51 asciilifeform: i don't really keep track of the 'scene', and in fact ended up in this channel entirely by accident!

06:18:05 Duffer1: :P

06:18:56 truffles: some1 spammed this chanel in btc otc :(

06:19:31 Duffer1: otc gives me seizures

06:19:48 truffles: i wonder if im still banned :D

06:28:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00534796 = 0.5027 BTC [-]

06:30:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.54 = 2.7 BTC [-] {2}

06:32:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC [+]

06:32:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02696494 = 0.1618 BTC [-]

06:57:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02696494 = 0.1348 BTC [-]

07:16:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55439999 = 1.1088 BTC [+] {2}

07:59:48 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173316.msg3982119#msg3982119

07:59:50 ozbot: Cloudhashing ASIC mining contracts, UK LTD company - Now Mining & Paying Bitcoin

07:59:52 mircea_popescu: epic shit

08:23:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.0499997 = 2 BTC [-]

08:32:59 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

08:33:00 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 938.82312, Best ask: 939.995, Bid-ask spread: 1.17188, Last trade: 939.89999, 24 hour volume: 8078.57644668, 24 hour low: 880.11, 24 hour high: 943.0, 24 hour vwap: 910.90486

08:33:16 mircea_popescu: ahh look at that. will we be blessed so that 2014 is the year of bitcoin stability ?

08:33:25 mircea_popescu: .d

08:33:25 ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1813 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.8054% in 10d 11h 6m 5s

08:33:53 davout: bitcoin has always been stable

08:34:08 davout: 1 BTC = 1 BTC since Jan. 3 2009

08:34:09 mircea_popescu: hehehe

08:34:22 mircea_popescu: ok ok, my bad. will the us be blessed with the year of usd stability ?

08:48:47 twizt: anyone know if these are any good

08:48:47 twizt: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/tips0850.html

08:48:48 ozbot: IBM Redbooks | IBM System x3650 M4

08:51:30 mircea_popescu: never used one myself.

08:51:57 twizt: what do you think tho?

08:52:08 twizt: my ex-job has 5 more of these

08:52:33 twizt: i feel like taking em lol

08:55:35 mircea_popescu: well... free stuff, why not

08:55:56 twizt: nah actuall not free

08:56:00 twizt: $750 for all 5

08:56:12 mircea_popescu: prolly about what they're worth

08:56:21 twizt: worth about 2k each

08:57:38 mircea_popescu: these are used neh ?

08:58:29 twizt: yea have all harddrive slots

08:58:39 twizt: the solid state drives them selves are gold

08:59:19 mircea_popescu: so then what's the problem ?

08:59:38 twizt: im being lazy

08:59:48 twizt: gotta hire some mexicans to go pick em up

09:02:41 Vexual: you'll be able to run 5 bitcoin nodes in december

09:03:41 twizt: haha y december

09:05:26 Vexual: 100mb blocks and shit

09:06:59 twizt: ah gotcha

09:09:28 truffles: vexual whats for dinner today?

09:09:51 Vexual: fish!

09:10:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21865 @ 0.00084723 = 18.5247 BTC [+] {2}

09:11:01 truffles: dont have any of that

09:11:08 truffles: guess ill try for toco's night

09:11:16 Vexual: todays fish is trout al la creme

09:12:16 truffles: self made or ?

09:14:33 Vexual: yes i am not rich enought to reasturant constantly

09:14:57 truffles: bitcoin milliionaires everywhere

09:15:45 Vexual: indeed

09:16:12 truffles: but not all asses, its strange

09:16:45 Vexual: assets?

09:16:58 truffles: massive egos

09:17:06 Vexual: oh yes

09:17:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.02696494 = 0.6472 BTC [+] {4}

09:18:43 truffles: i wonder if ppl those ppl with complaints of me doing "something useful" r upset about all the lines theyre forced to read :D

09:18:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 39 @ 0.00375076 = 0.1463 BTC [+] {3}

09:18:58 truffles: cuz obv every1 seems to read logs around here

09:19:24 Vexual: do yo udo anything useful?

09:19:42 truffles: i dunno, i exist though

09:19:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 127 @ 0.00381244 = 0.4842 BTC [+] {2}

09:19:57 truffles: do u?

09:20:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 34 @ 0.00387999 = 0.1319 BTC [+] {2}

09:21:28 mircea_popescu: bare existence is not useful.

09:21:41 mircea_popescu: and yes, that's why you end up on ignore lists, cause you yak unimportantly.

09:22:05 truffles: u only read important things eh

09:22:23 truffles: if i shift through that blog will that be the case?

09:22:50 mircea_popescu: i read lots of shit really. but that's what makes me so unique.

09:23:02 truffles: orly

09:23:06 mircea_popescu: most people equally powerful you can't ever talk to.

09:23:11 truffles: being an ass isnt unique though

09:23:32 mircea_popescu: here's the problem with the world : it's what it is, not what;d be convenient for your own head it be.

09:23:46 truffles: define powerful

09:24:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3685 @ 0.00085133 = 3.1372 BTC [+]

09:24:13 Vexual: the ability to effect change

09:24:17 mircea_popescu: you know, he who can do things.

09:24:25 truffles: like a mod?

09:24:36 Vexual: no like yourself first

09:25:09 truffles: there are ppl who view themselves as more significant than others i get that

09:25:24 mircea_popescu: no, like thoth, the original billionaire and congressman rolled into one

09:26:31 truffles: billionaires can die too

09:26:51 mircea_popescu: gods can die too. that's not really all that relevant now is it.

09:27:34 truffles: well im of the monotheist

09:27:59 mircea_popescu: even marginal jewish sects imported the dead god trope.

09:28:38 truffles: im also agnostic so..

09:29:13 mircea_popescu: you're generally a lazy fuckwit that imagines he can redefine things in his head and that'll matter. it doesn't, obviously, but what difference does it make.

09:29:36 truffles: oh so u know me personally now

09:29:45 mircea_popescu: it's not hard to do.

09:30:11 truffles: orly

09:30:21 mircea_popescu: incidentally, that's one symptom of the unimportant : they may think they're personal, but in point of fact they're impersonal and universally so. even things they do in private are really quite impersonal.

09:30:36 mircea_popescu: i guess the term for it is commonplace or banal.

09:31:01 mircea_popescu: anyway : it's not that i know you personally. it's that knowing you implies no personal anything.

09:31:20 truffles: hmmm

09:31:34 mircea_popescu: admire how this chatlog suddenly became readable, even interesting.

09:31:41 mircea_popescu: now you have an example of what powerful means.

09:31:56 truffles: i dont know where to begin with that heh

09:32:01 mircea_popescu: yw.

09:33:02 truffles: the delusion is so high i dunno

09:35:34 twizt: lol

09:38:08 Vexual: woth thoth won five days of light from the moon, what at player

09:39:12 Vexual: for want of a btter desciptor

09:39:14 truffles: well that was a surprise, i figured every1 was atheist

09:42:13 jurov: http://www.bitcointrust.co/about-bitcoin/bitcoin-ecosystem-snapshot/ guess who they omitted

09:42:39 truffles: vexual hope u dont have such a high opinion of urself

09:43:01 Vexual: theres no big m for starters

09:43:42 truffles: very influential

09:44:52 Vexual: no havelock

09:44:58 twizt: lol

09:45:19 Vexual: no kraken

09:45:28 twizt: damn icbit made it there

09:45:40 jurov: kraken is there, under forex :D

09:45:44 Vexual: oh there is kraken

09:46:50 twizt: lol weexchange made it there

09:46:51 twizt: wtf

09:46:53 mircea_popescu: jesus that thing's giving me a migraine it's so busy

09:46:55 mircea_popescu: anyway, mtgox ?

09:46:59 Vexual: itd be interesting to highlight the logos over time of existance

09:47:16 davout: inputs.io made it to wallets

09:47:23 mircea_popescu: lol coinlenders

09:48:31 mircea_popescu: http://www.gcasavvian.com/ << "experience relationships advice" ?

09:48:32 ozbot: GCA Savvian - Home

09:48:35 mircea_popescu: who the f are these muppets ?

09:48:53 mircea_popescu: Dec 29 2013 Notice regarding successful partial exit by Mezzanine Corporation(Dec 30, 2013)

09:49:17 mircea_popescu: sounds darling, perhaps they make the move out of dating & relationship advice by ditching the pdf bs.

09:49:58 jurov: jon matonis

09:50:04 mircea_popescu: "Mezzanine Corporation (Head Office: Chuo‐ku, Tokyo; Representative Director: Koji Sasayama),

09:50:04 mircea_popescu: a wholly‐owned subsidiary of GCA Savvian Corporation, has succeeded in the partial exit of 1.3 billion yen of preferred stock by its investment business limited partnership."

09:50:13 mircea_popescu: ok that conversion was worth doing

09:50:21 Vexual: some logos are illegible, i hope they didn't pay too much

09:50:37 mircea_popescu: people using terms of art as if they were hired hookers these days.

09:51:27 mircea_popescu: jurov matonis is actually a native english speaker afaik. is this some sort of "we're going to namedrop" relationship where his involvement is having sometime commented on them or something and now they're running with it ?

09:52:05 jurov: likely, he's among three named as "advisory board"

09:52:15 jurov: no other presons are named there

09:52:29 jurov: (speaking about bitcointrust.co)

09:53:20 Vexual: is he the labcoin guy?

09:54:10 mircea_popescu: Vexual no, he's an old time advocate and the original guy with a press job that did bitcoin some fair reporting

09:54:37 mircea_popescu: meanwhile got kicked out of the bitcoin scamdation (which he foolishly helped create) by the sort of backroom politicking vessenes lives for.

09:55:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.53964 = 2.6982 BTC [-] {3}

09:55:45 Vexual: fuck trying to read bitcoin history is like trying to download the bloackchain with a 286 and bandicoot powered internet

09:55:46 mircea_popescu: if i recall he was "not notable" enough or something of the sort, being of course the only one in the entire list who actually had some sort of cred.

09:58:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.53453333 = 1.6036 BTC [-] {2}

09:58:42 davout: isn't he chair of the foundation or sthg?

09:59:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.531 BTC [-]

10:03:55 Vexual: i bet i could get into the aussie chapter, it'd take em 6 months to realise I don't acutally do C++

10:04:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55489997 BTC [+]

10:09:11 truffles: cuz ure that good at faking it

10:09:55 Vexual: aussie

10:10:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+]

10:11:30 Vexual: notice how our banks arent imploding

10:11:48 truffles: yet :D

10:12:09 Vexual: lady bullshit is state of the art here

10:14:11 Vexual: get some aussie into washington and theres no problem

10:16:30 Vexual: we can GE a sheep with 10 micron wool for mr armani, or dig up metal, so we're pretty solid

10:18:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC

10:22:57 mircea_popescu: lol @this case before the us supreme court. so obama declares the senate in recess cause he feels like, makes a bunch of recess appointments

10:23:10 Vexual: off to barbados?

10:23:11 mircea_popescu: now the supreme court has somehow to extricate itself from this mess.

10:23:24 Vexual: link?

10:23:54 mircea_popescu: http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/13/22290595-court-appears-ready-to-nix-recess-appointment-power?lite

10:23:54 ozbot: Court appears ready to nix recess appointment power - First Read

10:25:57 truffles: is romania insignificant or is its politics on the blog?

10:27:03 Vexual: romania isnt the worlds bank

10:27:54 Vexual: [19:24] <truffles> not yet

10:28:14 truffles: :D

10:31:35 Vexual: mircea, are you a lawyer?

10:33:22 mircea_popescu: nope

10:33:43 truffles: wouldve been shocked

10:33:52 mircea_popescu: truffles there's some romanian politics on fraudsters, mostly under "politica si prostie"

10:34:36 truffles: just wondering, seems finance ppl r forced to talk about the US

10:35:03 Vexual: what did you study at university? if you don't mind me asking?

10:35:40 mircea_popescu: i have degrees in philosophy and anthropology.

10:35:56 Vexual: did you study commerce too?

10:35:56 truffles: that is shocking

10:36:07 mircea_popescu: arguably being romanian they're actually worth something, unlike their us counterparts

10:36:13 mircea_popescu: but nevertheless, that something isn't much at all.

10:36:34 Vexual: you learned computer science by yourself too?

10:36:49 VanCleef: oh good something original mp talking about how awesome he is

10:37:01 mircea_popescu: VanCleef dude don't be a hater, he asked me. what am i to do ?

10:37:07 VanCleef: lol

10:37:08 truffles: lmao

10:37:21 mircea_popescu: Vexual no, i mostly learned that by managing people who did it for a living.

10:37:26 VanCleef: you know i love you

10:37:37 truffles: managing hmmm

10:38:01 truffles: for a philosophy student ur world views so narrow dam dude

10:38:19 VanCleef: money changed him

10:38:21 mircea_popescu: narrow compared to what ?

10:38:25 Vexual: can you read sanscrit?

10:38:31 mircea_popescu: not without my books.

10:38:55 truffles: money seems to change ppl, but i suspect not him heh

10:39:31 Vexual: he could be in st kitts being an arsehole

10:40:01 mircea_popescu: truffles http://fraudsters.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/ there, read that, save yourself a lot of effort trying to argue that somehow the very narrow "we're all equal and we fight inequality derp" worldview is somehow less narrow than any.other.possible.worldview.

10:40:23 VanCleef: he use to go around helping homeless people and even gave a kidney to his best friend

10:40:37 truffles: i dont like reading ur blog, it seems u dont put much effort into the grammar

10:40:53 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1550641/plain/)

10:40:53 mircea_popescu: !b 1

10:40:53 Vexual: i don't think he'd give away a kidney, it might be a drain on the economy

10:41:06 mircea_popescu: fucking epic.

10:41:10 truffles: tis

10:41:12 VanCleef: now he just rides in his jetski in his bathtub made out of diamonds and his pet dolphin

10:41:44 mircea_popescu: VanCleef i only help homeless people if they're female, kinda young, kinda cute and really, really into it.

10:41:54 Vexual: he wouldn't ride a jetski unless his crew designed it

10:41:54 truffles: ur flow of thought often seems disconnected, i dont usually get it

10:42:07 mircea_popescu: truffles that's not what grammar means.

10:42:18 truffles: + the bad grammar

10:42:35 VanCleef: "you look cock fasmished, let me help you"

10:43:19 truffles: but u know i did ask, so let me attempt

10:43:20 mircea_popescu: that wouldn't be very practical. i can only get it up what, a few times a day ?

10:43:26 mircea_popescu: lot more homeless than that around.

10:44:00 VanCleef: since you bought all their houses ya

10:44:05 truffles: id so own at monopoly though

10:44:22 mircea_popescu: thanks to all the inequality fightin', bout one in ten us folk are homeless, one in three yurepan kids are unemployed or unemployable and so on.

10:44:36 VanCleef: excellent

10:44:41 VanCleef: they deserve it

10:45:31 Vexual: ever been hungry vancleef?

10:45:57 VanCleef: no poor people are ew

10:46:18 VanCleef: i eat zebras for dinner

10:46:20 VanCleef: i'm rich

10:46:36 Vexual: pharoahs fed people

10:46:51 mircea_popescu: well they also banged their sisters

10:46:51 VanCleef: not as rich as MP tho who could buy and sell your family 10 times over

10:47:02 mircea_popescu: ;;google sell me your children

10:47:02 gribble: blues brothers - sell me your children - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvZgwtpPmLY; Blues Brothers - Sell me your children - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbsMZecRgbI; How much for the little girl? - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDXYzUlv0S8

10:47:10 Vexual: yeah and when there was nothing to do they built pyramids

10:47:40 VanCleef: can i ask a serious question

10:47:44 VanCleef: have you ever been in love mp?

10:48:17 mircea_popescu: all teh time.

10:48:46 VanCleef: its a good feeling to have

10:48:53 mircea_popescu: why so possesive :D

10:49:31 VanCleef: are you in love at the moment?

10:49:52 truffles: with himself prob

10:50:01 VanCleef: lol

10:50:37 VanCleef: if i was mp id jerk off to myself in front of the mirror too

10:50:54 truffles: orly

10:51:13 VanCleef: wouldn't u?

10:51:14 mircea_popescu: sure dude. i love my slavegirls jus' fine.

10:51:20 truffles: no

10:51:21 KRS1: Mmmm

10:51:24 mircea_popescu: and also my country, teh most serene republic of bitcoin.

10:51:25 KRS1: .bait

10:51:26 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m69xvzwo2Y1qc3ldvo1_500.jpg

10:51:28 VanCleef: nah that's not love mp

10:51:34 VanCleef: think back when you were 15

10:51:36 mircea_popescu: how would you know what's love and what isn't ?

10:51:37 VanCleef: your first crush

10:51:46 VanCleef: do you remember that feeling?

10:51:53 KRS1: .bait

10:51:54 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6je1sqWkq1r1mbgqo1_1280.jpg

10:52:00 mircea_popescu: yes, well, when you were three you probably ate your own shit, too.

10:52:11 mircea_popescu: does that mean yo ucan't be a gourmet chef ?

10:52:15 truffles: i managed to get to sentence 2 , so basically u hate empathy?

10:52:37 VanCleef: so you've never felt real love before mp?

10:52:48 ArsKisS: VanCleef, what first crush? no girl can crush me

10:53:08 mircea_popescu: truffles nope. i dislike the sort of lazy fuckwit who imagines magic works. which is what you're trying to do with "Empathy" and this guy is trying to do with "twu wuv", create some sort of magical amulet that'll save you from having to, you know, live.

10:53:13 truffles: a world where every1 just takes

10:53:20 VanCleef: i hope its something you get to experience oneday

10:53:23 VanCleef: its a really good feeling

10:53:47 mircea_popescu: me living your preconceived notion ? i have no doubt it'd be a good feeling, only problem is

10:53:54 truffles: i believe in moderation, i dont recognize that view ure posing

10:53:58 mircea_popescu: it;s supposed to be a good feeling for me, not for you.

10:53:59 VanCleef: just open your heart oneday mp

10:54:05 VanCleef: you might enjoy it

10:54:33 mircea_popescu: you're trippin all over a strawman.

10:55:03 VanCleef: just promise me you'll keep an open mind and when the time is right a open heart?

10:55:36 truffles: an open heart for love?

10:55:48 VanCleef: i dont want the sickness to completely take over that sweet young man i use to know before all this bitcoin stuff

10:56:01 mircea_popescu: im starting to understand why romantic comedies sell so well. they really managed to create their own captive market huh.

10:56:22 truffles: why r u wanting him to find love now

10:56:45 VanCleef: he's not ready

10:57:00 truffles: pm him ur fandom

10:57:49 truffles: u could be the one

10:57:55 VanCleef: its not all about money

10:58:15 VanCleef: sometimes we just want someone to hug

10:58:24 VanCleef: and i feel mp's pain

10:58:31 truffles: 0.0

10:58:45 VanCleef: so i just hope he finds someone to truely love oneday

10:58:59 truffles: so ure his childhood friend from romania?

11:03:28 truffles: guess not

11:03:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00529999 = 0.159 BTC [-]

11:10:08 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how's county jail ?

11:14:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.0008449 = 25.516 BTC [-] {2}

11:21:19 wao-ender: http://conferencecall.biz/

11:21:21 ozbot: ConferenceCall.biz

11:23:18 Vexual: http://vimeo.com/61341838

11:23:18 ozbot: Bob Dylan - Isis (1976) on Vimeo

11:24:43 truffles: No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

11:25:30 Vexual: my cigarette packet tells me australia is the smallest continent

11:28:35 truffles: why not look for quotes like that talking about empathy

11:28:52 truffles: bob dylans voice i dont like too much

11:30:58 mircea_popescu: truffles you know donne was mostly a satirist.

11:31:02 mircea_popescu: methinks you've been had.

11:31:47 truffles: he was a monk

11:31:53 truffles: that was hemmingway?

11:31:58 truffles: quote

11:32:22 mircea_popescu: no you illiterate lout, that was not hemingway.

11:32:42 truffles: no man is an island donne ya

11:32:53 mircea_popescu: the world existed before your shitty republic was founded five minutes ago

11:33:06 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzTM7HMn0R4

11:33:07 ozbot: jimi hendrix if 6 were 9 (rara avis version) - YouTube

11:33:08 mircea_popescu: and the world will exist just fine long after we won't even remember your shitty republic ever was

11:33:11 mircea_popescu: five minutes hence.

11:33:14 truffles: ;;google lout

11:33:15 gribble: Lout - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lout; lout - definition of lout by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and ...: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lout; Lout (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lout_(software)

11:33:54 truffles: sure im pretty aggro

11:34:13 Vexual: its all the female hormone

11:34:29 Vexual: full lunar

11:36:36 truffles: il·lit·er·ate a person who is unable to read or write.

11:36:44 truffles: hmm i think we need to learn english

11:37:07 truffles: at least english vocabulary

11:38:03 mircea_popescu: being able to read or write doesn't make you literate any more than being able to css makes you a programmer.

11:38:25 truffles: if u want to change the meaning of predefined words go ahead

11:38:46 Vexual: im defo gonna buy that old italian storybook now i hear there is a newtranslation

11:38:47 mircea_popescu: i'm not changing it. i'm simply not acquiescing to the change you propose.

11:39:32 truffles: it is the incorrect word

11:39:42 mircea_popescu: herpderp.

11:39:46 Vexual: flange

11:39:56 mircea_popescu: ;;google literate

11:39:57 gribble: Literate - Merriam-Webster Online: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literate; Literacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy; Literate programming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literate_programming

11:40:24 mircea_popescu: look at the beauty of that, literate means educated, illiterate means "unable to read and write and strictly that".

11:40:32 mircea_popescu: how fascinating the world of ephemerides, seriously now.

11:41:10 truffles: which meaning are u trying to go for then

11:41:23 truffles: 2?

11:41:31 truffles: cuz google says its hemmingway

11:41:36 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgncwm9cMio

11:41:36 ozbot: CW Stoneking - Jungle Blues - YouTube

11:41:55 mircea_popescu: yes, well, google is probably able to read and write too, these days.

11:42:07 mircea_popescu: making it a paragon of contemporary literacy.

11:42:21 mircea_popescu: doesn't understand jack shit it's saying, but that's not part of the scoring card anymore.

11:42:42 truffles: "no man is an island" is by john donne

11:42:51 Vexual: 5-10,000 years huh mp?

11:43:29 truffles: i was going to use his quote but that hemingway version was better

11:43:42 Vexual: im jealous, i don't rememebr what happened last week

11:45:43 Vexual: how did a pharoah think?

11:45:52 truffles: theyre all dead

11:46:13 truffles: and tombs got raided on top of it

11:46:24 truffles: devine justice

11:47:13 Vexual: i dont think most arceaologists interested in egypt could answer that with any certainty

11:48:23 truffles: they went into hiding ?

11:49:10 Vexual: its not all eyeshadow and pussy, ill asure you that

11:50:48 Vexual: http://vimeo.com/30567004

11:50:48 ozbot: Maroon 5 - Moves Like Jagger on Vimeo

11:50:59 truffles: good soon

11:51:11 truffles: song*

11:51:24 Vexual: yeah you're not authorised to drink

11:51:31 truffles: ha

11:54:40 truffles: Donne argued that it was better to examine carefully one's religious convictions than blindly to follow any established tradition, for none would be saved at the Final Judgment, by claiming "A Harry, or a Martin taught [them] this."

11:55:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54 BTC [-]

11:55:36 truffles: "His images of sickness, vomit, manure, and plague reflected his strongly satiric view of a world populated by all the fools and knaves of England."

11:56:15 truffles: i see no contradiction with the "no man is an island"

11:57:41 Vexual: http://vimeo.com/34111524

11:57:42 ozbot: Auld Lang Syne || Lea Michele on Vimeo

11:57:58 truffles: i see the quote about the bell tolls, but the wording is different ldo

11:59:12 truffles: vexual u dont like utube anymore?

11:59:49 Vexual: anything google runs unusually slow for me

12:01:56 truffles: vimeo is slow for me so standard

12:02:37 truffles: did u understand the words she sang?

12:02:56 truffles: so muffled

12:03:16 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPkJeziNyI

12:03:17 ozbot: Bob Dylan - Thunder On The Mountain - YouTube

12:03:35 Vexual: "better roll your aeroplane down"

12:03:47 truffles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-KhJmh074A

12:03:48 ozbot: Lea Michele - Cannonball - YouTube

12:05:56 truffles: is that jizz on his face :D

12:06:11 Vexual: cocaine, twas the 80s

12:07:24 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PHOeXIPNZE

12:07:24 ozbot: new york alicia keys - YouTube

12:07:39 truffles: i only like the chorus for that

12:09:44 truffles: oh nm tis is the one without jz

12:11:11 Diablo-D3: heh

12:11:16 Vexual: ?

12:11:51 truffles: is that towards me

12:12:52 truffles: ????

12:14:39 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL3b9_PO0Pw full moon?

12:14:40 ozbot: QUEEN IFRICA / Lioness on the Rise - YouTube

12:15:11 truffles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJAfLE39ZZ8 related link

12:15:11 ozbot: Amy Winehouse - Back To Black - YouTube

12:19:13 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1TQRJWLZ3s lovew a bit of amy

12:19:14 ozbot: Amy Winehouse - Back To Black (Live Acoustic) - YouTube

12:19:14 truffles: lioness on teh rise not bad

12:19:26 Vexual: i would fuck her if she was alive

12:19:54 truffles: u have a type :D

12:20:12 Vexual: check you secktor fool

12:20:39 truffles: ive never had a type, i feel lucky

12:22:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7798 @ 0.00084945 = 6.624 BTC [+]

12:23:58 truffles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-I2s5zRbHg

12:23:58 ozbot: Amy Winehouse - You Know I'm No Good - YouTube

12:24:58 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FwL_huvYjQ 5 days off oyur moon cunt

12:24:58 ozbot: Melissa Etheridge - Piece of my heart - YouTube

12:27:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.00388 = 0.1552 BTC [+]

12:27:38 truffles: cant stay connected Diablo-D3?

12:27:54 Diablo-D3: xchat scrambled config

12:27:57 Diablo-D3: so Ive been resetting it

12:28:11 truffles: maybe get the stable mirc :D

12:29:17 truffles: why is she barefoot on stage

12:29:23 Vexual: hippy

12:29:39 truffles: posers

12:30:04 Vexual: nope its real

12:30:08 truffles: but i love her voice

12:30:22 Vexual: she doesnt need shoes or pubes

12:30:34 truffles: im talking about joss stone

12:30:47 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4iKbcjt43k

12:30:48 ozbot: Joss Stone - "The High Road" LIVE Studio Session - YouTube

12:30:58 Vexual: yeah

12:31:28 truffles: oh no

12:31:31 truffles: she's got poshness

12:31:46 truffles: :(

12:31:50 Vexual: she learnened soul at voice school

12:32:21 truffles: ill try to avoid hearing her speak, she was a good student if she learned that at skool

12:32:51 Vexual: she obviously had a particular aptitude

12:36:39 truffles: to convince some1 to go to her concert stead of metallica hmmm

12:37:19 Vexual: her hair is nicer

12:37:57 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAO9EFY0Fm4 also london mist

12:37:57 ozbot: Lady Sovereign - So Human - YouTube

12:40:00 truffles: not sure if like

12:40:09 Vexual: thats the idea

12:40:33 truffles: music must take u somewhere imo

12:40:37 Vexual: works better when you know shes abig ol lezzo

12:41:26 truffles: not for me

12:42:06 Vexual: you're a mupet

12:42:21 truffles: u mad

12:43:38 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBsazIACpYM

12:43:38 ozbot: Stone Roses - Fools Gold(Full Version) - YouTube

12:44:12 Vexual: handy on the skins

12:44:55 truffles: this is the beginning of decline for todays links isnt it

12:45:08 Vexual: sure

12:49:34 Vexual: kids are being born after bitcoin

12:50:40 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOh6wb9l00g

12:50:51 ozbot: Thrift Shop Featuring Wanz - Macklemore and Ryan - Full with Lyrics (HD) - YouTube

12:51:50 Vexual: jurov if youve got youy hearing aid in this is outta time

12:52:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform:

12:52:51 mircea_popescu: anything short of programmable workfunction will lead to a cat'n'mouse game rather expensive and unproductively unpleasant for all involved. << i think you underestimate the prevalence of masochists in the bdsmitcoin community.

12:56:19 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA0TS9l_nJE

12:56:19 ozbot: Animaniacs Intro - YouTube

12:56:34 jurov: heh, reading that scrollback.. got an idea that maybe specifying sat solver itself as work function could work

12:57:07 mircea_popescu: jurov what, like recursxively ?

12:57:20 jurov: then one would spend coins to specify desired input to be combputed by solver

12:57:33 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZSXjcOo2IA

12:57:34 ozbot: Raketu - Sody Pop - YouTube

13:01:13 jurov: so, i'd broadcast a special transaction "whoever sat-solves this input will get these coins"

13:01:48 jurov: and miners would decide if they want to do it

13:02:34 jurov: once solved, it will be verifiable easily

13:03:13 mircea_popescu: but why stop there. make doom coin : the proof of work is sat-proving the actual coin codebase. all of it. including the pow part.

13:03:27 mircea_popescu: once a block ticks we know the world has just ended

13:04:09 jurov: yes, but you still need to break the problem into small parts for mining

13:04:52 jurov: to keep the spice flowing :)

13:05:17 jurov: and splitting the proof of whole codebase to manageable chunks might not be possible

13:05:51 Vexual: describing captcha?

13:07:19 Vexual: ignore me

13:09:23 mircea_popescu: jurov well that's why it's doomcoin. there can only be one.

13:11:01 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=364485.msg4505144#msg4505144 << for a quick lol, before the muppets wipe it.

13:11:03 ozbot: Neo EasyCoin Official - Buy BTC With Cash [UK,USA,Russia,Denmark,Sweden,Norway]

13:11:22 mircea_popescu: post #42, the answer to the big questions of life and everything else.

13:11:50 jurov: doomcoin would be like... postmined coin :)

13:12:25 mircea_popescu: ehehe

13:21:36 Vexual: is not firedcat gonna allow trading of his company witht the last three digits on the blockchain?

13:21:51 KRS1: .bait

13:21:53 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/1c63981abca7cf44508a4115453c5a2b/tumblr_muo33pRvEr1rc7iabo1_400.gif

13:22:02 KRS1: ho siht

13:22:25 Vexual: or does friedcat have a little vex in him?

13:23:25 Vexual: i call flange

13:24:52 Vexual: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnvz25_nicki-minaj-stupid-hoe-explicit_music

13:24:53 ozbot: Nicki Minaj - Stupid Hoe (Explicit) - Video Dailymotion

13:26:49 KRS1: HAH thats a good one! It's 0826 AM here and I'm blasting this song

13:26:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23199 @ 0.00085031 = 19.7263 BTC [+] {2}

13:27:21 KRS1: omg that ASS

13:27:51 Vexual: sheck speical alice on yfreecams

13:28:05 Vexual: very illegal

13:28:41 KRS1: i cant pull that up then

13:28:52 KRS1: oh thats the title

13:28:55 Vexual: dont she wont want a tatoo

13:30:09 KRS1: No Matches by Name

13:30:40 Vexual: imay have made it up

13:30:44 KRS1: =/

13:31:19 Vexual: ¬/

13:31:23 KRS1: wtf is up with BBW..who the fuck wants to see all that fat

13:32:10 Vexual: theres no accounting for taste or other humans

13:35:41 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWP-AsG5DRk

13:35:41 ozbot: The Bangles Walk Like An Egyptian - YouTube

13:39:23 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3vxEudif8

13:39:24 ozbot: david bowie - changes - YouTube

13:43:46 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIH_xsOfUTk

13:43:46 ozbot: Primal Scream perform It's Alright It's OK - live session - YouTube

13:49:13 SNone: could someone give some pointers

13:49:41 Vexual: north brah

13:50:38 Vexual: if thats where youre headed

13:51:10 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQBttKoetqo

13:51:14 ozbot: paranoid black sabbath (lyrics included) - YouTube

13:52:31 Vexual: what do you want to know SNone?

13:55:24 Vexual: if you're mininging kanye west coin you need to add --scrypt

13:55:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]

13:56:32 KRS1: Vexual ya played the wrong one cunt

13:56:33 KRS1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9kuNMdUq_0

13:56:33 ozbot: DAVID BOWIE - FAME [HQ] - YouTube

13:56:48 KRS1: Thats my shit right there. 70's disco, cocaine, yeah.

13:57:09 Vexual: thats on the desert island ipod

13:57:42 Vexual: miami business

13:58:03 KRS1: yea

13:58:29 KRS1: i need some coffee cant get started right this morning

13:58:31 KRS1: bbiaf

14:01:41 Vexual: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa3y6p_dizzee-rascal-holiday_music

14:01:42 ozbot: Dizzee Rascal Holiday - Video Dailymotion

14:03:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04920201 = 0.246 BTC [-]

14:04:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 65 @ 0.005 = 0.325 BTC {2}

14:06:15 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgw5j9h8528

14:06:16 ozbot: The Doors "Been Down So Long (Alternate Version)" - YouTube

14:11:05 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaRG0ukxYqQ

14:11:06 ozbot: Method Man ft. Busta Rhymes - What's Happenin' *Uncensored* [Official video] - YouTube

14:15:28 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbgKEjNBHqM

14:15:29 ozbot: Nirvana - In Bloom - YouTube

14:18:32 KRS1: +1

14:18:36 KRS1: ;;lasers

14:18:36 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

14:19:02 KRS1: guitars on that song are moving

14:19:19 KRS1: epitome of 90's grunge rock

14:19:30 Vexual: extra wizard

14:19:42 KRS1: and i consider nirvana late to the game

14:19:57 Vexual: *scoff*

14:20:01 KRS1: i think jane's addiction might have kicked that shit off in the 80's even

14:20:06 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UQyPXbjL-A

14:20:07 ozbot: Aeon Flux Opening - YouTube

14:20:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 27812 @ 0.00008539 = 2.3749 BTC [+] {13}

14:22:30 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpRpt0ynnfA

14:22:31 ozbot: 1990. Jane's Addiction - Been Caught Stealing HQ - YouTube

14:22:45 KRS1: That actually came out in 1989

14:23:45 KRS1: i remember aeon flux

14:23:54 KRS1: opening was the best

14:24:33 KRS1: prolly the only anime i can tolerate

14:26:13 Vexual: i saw the garbage girl with her tits out at big day out

14:27:33 Vexual: its enough to get a man into s&m

14:27:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.049202 = 0.3936 BTC [-] {2}

14:29:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0492 = 0.246 BTC [-] {3}

14:29:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.54200001 = 1.084 BTC [+] {2}

14:30:21 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1gJPxwLhlU

14:30:21 ozbot: Machine Gun Fellatio Mojo Pumpin' (4 of 6) - YouTube

14:31:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55497997 = 1.11 BTC [+]

14:32:11 Vexual: these guys are motorhead

14:36:10 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGz0oyWJnks

14:36:11 ozbot: machine gun fellatio - mutha fukka on a motorcycle - YouTube

14:37:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54200001 BTC [-]

14:38:53 Vexual: im pretty sure pankkake has a bikini kill sticker on his 100 mile an hour shiity citron

14:42:32 Vexual: whereby the shock absorbers cost more than the car and everythink is ok

14:43:43 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyGd8Jq55gs

14:43:44 ozbot: Tracy Chapman Fast Car Remix - YouTube

14:48:04 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9MszVE7aR4

14:48:05 ozbot: Daft Punk - Around The World - YouTube

14:51:59 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q4foLKDlcE

14:51:59 ozbot: Joni Mitchell-California (BBC) - YouTube

14:56:43 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUJ0IYZKLvE

14:57:14 Vexual: poobot

14:58:16 Diablo-D3: motorhead is considered good now? =/

14:58:45 Vexual: if you consider my consideration

15:02:47 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to1xT93IlUI

15:02:47 ozbot: Music Auld Lang Syne ~ Royal Scots Dragoon Guards. - YouTube

15:03:23 Diablo-D3: a little late for that

15:05:01 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObL8Wxi4rJs this shit on metallica

15:05:02 ozbot: Celtic Woman - Symphony Tour - Auld Lang Syne - YouTube

15:10:53 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bts7ndhPw4

15:11:05 Vexual: The first Noel

15:12:09 truffles: xmas was last month

15:15:34 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hNt_dnNBag

15:15:34 ozbot: How to Pronounce Ben Nevis - YouTube

15:16:28 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97qnKsWR5m8

15:16:28 ozbot: The Straits | ABC1 | Full Trailer: Thursdays, 8.30pm - YouTube

15:17:15 devthedev: Hi

15:20:52 Vexual: hi devthedev

15:21:05 devthedev: What's this chan for?

15:21:33 jurov: ;;topic

15:21:33 gribble: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading

15:22:24 Vexual: whatvever the kako syas

15:22:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 642 @ 0.001 = 0.642 BTC [+]

15:24:31 mircea_popescu: http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/31/shipping-companies-largely-silent-on-nsa-intercepting-packages

15:24:32 ozbot: Shipping companies largely silent on NSA interceptions | The Daily Caller

15:24:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19910 @ 0.00084341 = 16.7923 BTC [-] {2}

15:24:57 Vexual: small scale surface shipping would work with bc

15:27:07 Vexual: who charts oil/bc?

15:28:35 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg4493275#msg4493275

15:28:38 ozbot: [Mpex.co] The biggest scam in bitcoin history?

15:28:44 mircea_popescu: this is pretty great.

15:28:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00009 = 0.18 BTC [+]

15:29:43 Vexual: you're so not scammy, i think if you ever got into shiping you wouldnt even poke paris

15:30:48 Vexual: well, you're still not scammy

15:31:58 Vexual: i bet i can make jimmoth have an anuerism

15:33:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 390 @ 0.00048998 = 0.1911 BTC [+]

15:33:14 Vexual: wait jimmothy is kill?

15:34:50 pankkake: Vexual: Citroën*

15:35:06 pankkake: lol the cloudhashing customers took a lot of time to get they were scammed

15:35:17 pankkake: who would even trust something with "cloud" in it

15:35:24 jurov: pankkake are you going to follow that promise?

15:35:28 Vexual: pankakke i have my kb set wronh i vant even find@

15:36:39 Vexual: 2bc/gh

15:36:55 pankkake: what promise?

15:37:58 Vexual: how scam is it?

15:38:33 Vexual: is it tre scammy?

15:40:42 KRS1: we have a scam scale now? I thought if scam > 0 | > /dev/null

15:40:43 Vexual: cannes selection never show the wife going direct to the madhouse

15:43:31 Vexual: mps old book probably cover the matter'

15:44:19 Vexual: he scammed his wife

15:45:22 pankkake: hehe I spammed your blog jurov too

15:45:22 Vexual: shes devo and needs help

15:45:57 jurov: i overtook you

15:47:48 mircea_popescu: devthedev this chan is for discussing bitcoin finance.

15:47:59 Vexual: shit

15:48:25 devthedev: I failed earlier and sent .25BTC to the wrong address, lol

15:48:36 Vexual: is the iminent monsoon relevant?

15:49:04 jurov: Vexual, time to reset the markov chain?

15:49:09 mircea_popescu: explo.yt ? not a bad name

15:49:26 Vexual: well i think monsoon is relevant to finance through the ages

15:49:44 TomServo: .d

15:49:44 ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1768 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.5349% in 10d 14h 40m 2s

15:50:16 Vexual: it may be time to lock the cellar

15:50:22 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1789546951.05324 * 1.135349

15:50:23 gribble: 2031760341.33

15:50:29 mircea_popescu: holy shit within 2%

15:51:19 Vexual: what is this calculation?

15:51:31 Vexual: diff?

15:51:35 jurov: Vexual: next difficulty estimate

15:51:44 jurov: ;;seen benkay

15:51:44 gribble: benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 11 hours, 45 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <benkay> simply accept that they have a bigger stick than you and so can

15:51:47 mircea_popescu: it's all because of that 2bn bet

15:52:03 Vexual: when does it solve?

15:52:17 KRS1: you cache has a problem mp

15:52:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09016666 = 0.2705 BTC [-] {3}

15:52:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00290648 = 1.4532 BTC [-] {8}

15:52:33 jurov: it closes Feb 28 iirc

15:52:46 Vexual: so its yes?

15:52:53 KRS1: check varnish jurov

15:53:01 jurov: yes. then there are 5.6bn on March 31 and 14bn on July 14

15:53:08 KRS1: maybe backend

15:53:10 mircea_popescu: KRS1 what's it do ?

15:53:12 jurov: KRS1: you mean the blog?

15:53:13 KRS1: 503

15:53:14 Vexual: half price furys delivered in 2 days

15:53:17 KRS1: yeh

15:53:49 jurov: it's gandi's shit.. too lazy to host it myself properly

15:53:53 mircea_popescu: i see it ?

15:54:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00288614 = 0.7215 BTC [-] {3}

15:54:34 mircea_popescu: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/mpex.co like ?

15:54:35 ozbot: Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up?

15:55:45 jurov: no KRS meant my blog

15:55:58 mircea_popescu: l

15:56:02 KRS1: -> http://explo.yt/

15:56:02 mircea_popescu: o. i see that too

15:56:12 jurov: mhm :(

15:56:12 mircea_popescu: i was actually reading through it right nao

15:56:16 KRS1: looks like a timeout value or something is amiss

15:57:35 Apocalyptic: http://explo.yt/ works fine for me

15:59:15 jurov: they had some hosting problems today

15:59:27 jurov: we'll see if that persists

16:00:07 KRS1: carrier grade network problems aside, it amazes me hosting companies can't have 100% uptime

16:00:28 Vexual: your network never goes down?

16:00:50 diametric: KRS1: even Tier 1 providers ultimately do maintenance

16:01:14 KRS1: i have a friend who hosts out of a small datacenter in texas..he has the choice of like 8 different providers and can fail over at any time

16:01:19 diametric: but nobody is going to say 100%, but a lot of them have 4-5 9's

16:01:21 KRS1: diametric agreed

16:01:40 jurov: because PHP

16:01:41 mircea_popescu: it's not economical to get 100% anything.

16:02:09 diametric: Also large datacenters are managed poorly. I used to work for Digex, which was then bought by Worldcom, and then bought by Verizon.

16:02:13 mircea_popescu: you could have a dedicated 10gbit pipe for your blog. that wouldn't be 100%, it'd be "all those instances when you get hit with less than 10gbps"

16:02:15 KRS1: there are 100%'ers out there..in fact I think its quite common for hosting servers..not necessarily php applications though

16:02:24 diametric: The shit show that went on there was amazing

16:02:24 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:02:35 mircea_popescu: diametric what they do ?

16:03:24 diametric: mircea_popescu: top tier hosting, we hosted all of JP Morgans main infrastructure, USPS, Ford Motor Company, tons of big players. We one had a janitor take out an entire farm because he backed his mop handle into the emergency power stop switch

16:03:24 Vexual: i remmeber all my isps log were available and mistyped passwords got logged

16:03:44 mircea_popescu: this sounds like dilbert

16:03:56 diametric: Unix Tech Ops would routine fuck in the datacenters too

16:03:57 KRS1: mircea_popescu I'm specifically talking uptime, not throughput though..your servers should always be accessible..hosting php apps, application level hosting however, is a completely different situation and agreed, almost impossible to host applicactions with 100% availability

16:04:00 diametric: routinely*

16:04:20 mircea_popescu: so what's wrong with dc fucking ?

16:04:28 KRS1: .bait

16:04:29 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4d2f3F4t01r6630fo1_1280.jpg

16:04:32 diametric: haha

16:04:39 mircea_popescu: KRS1 well yes, but it quickly becomes an academic point. "system is online, it does nothing but reply to pings"

16:04:42 KRS1: I'd fuck that in a datacenter

16:05:33 KRS1: well with OS availability, ssh, for instance

16:05:52 diametric: KRS1: a lot of top tier 1 providers throw hissy fits too.

16:05:59 diametric: Like Cogent de-peers with people every week

16:06:31 diametric: Level3 and Cogent feud constantly

16:06:49 mircea_popescu: yeah

16:07:01 mircea_popescu: what else are they do to ? think : if they fucked in each other's dcs more...

16:07:33 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9xfo0MY-r8

16:07:33 ozbot: DIS IZ WHY I'M HOT (zef remix) - Die Antwoord - YouTube

16:10:10 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=334580.msg3611914#msg3611914

16:10:12 ozbot: [ANN] A Challenger Appears: SKYPIEA, a Privacy-Friendly Exchange

16:10:34 mircea_popescu: by all accounts the privacy-friendly exchange eloped with about 350k worth of elopement-friendly dollars of naive customers'

16:10:53 Vexual: who?

16:11:03 mircea_popescu: myeah.

16:11:11 KRS1: diametric so are you saying? Customers at each datacenter in your example are cut off?

16:11:17 Vexual: i like the phrase elopement friendly

16:11:30 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412846.msg4478188#msg4478188 << for the lolz

16:11:32 ozbot: Gavin will visit the Council on Foreign Relations

16:11:49 diametric: KRS1: if Tier 1 providers de-peer from each other it could result in partial outages

16:12:11 mircea_popescu: well temporary bad routes at least

16:12:17 diametric: yeah

16:12:38 mircea_popescu: diametric you and dub should be friends.

16:12:39 KRS1: what mircea_popescu sounds more reasonable, I've been the victim of that too, where some of my customers were able to reach my hosts, but not others

16:12:44 diametric: mircea_popescu: i have no idea who that is

16:12:50 KRS1: thats up to that DC staff to fix with their providers

16:12:56 KRS1: but temporary outages..no

16:12:58 diametric: KRS1: yeah, but would you really call that 100% uptime?

16:13:00 KRS1: bad routes yes

16:13:02 diametric: I mean some people would I guess

16:13:09 mircea_popescu: diametric he's a guy working in a dc, seeing it with exactly the same eyes

16:13:18 diametric: but then once you attach exceptions like that, your definition of 100% is kind of bunk anyway.

16:13:33 diametric: mircea_popescu: ahh, well its been many years since I worked in that space. I left it around 2004

16:13:34 mircea_popescu: only a dictator would want 100% uptime anyway.

16:13:38 KRS1: diametric bad routes are not the fault of the datacenter, but the network provider connecting to them dude

16:13:46 diametric: mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised the SLAs some customers demand

16:13:55 KRS1: mircea_popescu its not uncommon for requests, and provision of 100% uptime

16:13:58 mircea_popescu: being one of those customers...

16:14:10 diametric: haha

16:14:14 KRS1: application level (php hosting for instance) is out of the question i think

16:14:31 mircea_popescu: for instance : i get first dibs on any piece of hardware replaced-as-broken anywhere on the pipe to my machines

16:14:56 diametric: KRS1: from the customers point of view it doesn't matter. They don't want to hear why your provider has issues, they want to know why you didn't anticipate them and have alternatives in place to mitigate it.

16:15:16 diametric: which is why you rarely see anyone offer 100% uptime, it just opens you up to fail

16:16:06 KRS1: diametric i see 100% uptime guarantee quite often.

16:16:14 KRS1: Idk..I've been doing this almost 20 years, I could be wrong though.

16:16:22 diametric: I'm sure its 100% (*)

16:16:30 KRS1: of course

16:16:31 diametric: (*) [ insert list of reasons that don't count as downtime ]

16:16:37 Vexual: not an actual guarantee

16:17:32 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bdeizHM9OU

16:17:33 ozbot: Die Antwoord - Rich Bitch - YouTube

16:17:48 KRS1: +1 to Vexual for leet Die Antwoord selections

16:18:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 18000 @ 0.001 = 18 BTC [+]

16:18:58 gesell1: what tha? I received an API key email from btct.co, anyone else?

16:19:07 gesell1: thought btct was shutdown

16:19:59 mircea_popescu: buncha people got them. i don't recall what the reason was supposed to be

16:20:21 KRS1: access to historical data, trades.

16:21:00 mircea_popescu: i wonder what happens should anyone claim they didn't do X trade now.

16:21:08 KRS1: ya it was kinda like that ugly girlfriend from the past (read: a moped) that shows her ugly face again in front of your friends

16:21:13 mircea_popescu: not like there's receipts or anything, website model.

16:21:20 Vexual: yeah i dint sell all that am at 5

16:21:33 Vexual: i wont my muny back

16:21:44 mircea_popescu: what's am anymore ?

16:21:52 mircea_popescu: does it even still trade ?

16:21:56 Vexual: fliedpuus

16:22:05 Vexual: no

16:22:14 mircea_popescu: i remember all the "omg asicminer is the biggest ting ever" back this summer.

16:22:36 Vexual: how much did you get if yuo helf since forum?

16:22:41 Vexual: *held

16:22:58 Vexual: not 5 i guess

16:23:05 mircea_popescu: -.5

16:23:06 KRS1: chaang noi was all over that

16:23:15 Vexual: n he wasnt

16:23:36 Vexual: he was bust already

16:23:42 Vexual: *busy lol

16:24:07 mircea_popescu: doing like 5-10 btc a day. holy shit what happened to bitcoin's star non-mpex corp ? are they actually in the shitter ?

16:24:27 Vexual: theres worse places to be

16:24:41 mircea_popescu: depends who you're there with

16:24:47 Vexual: perhaps one has an apricot farm

16:24:57 mircea_popescu: an all-girls highschool shitter may be a great place to smoke. the bitcoin shitter is full of retards.

16:25:21 Vexual: gotta pay 1 euro to get in too

16:25:44 Vexual: or is it 5 euro cents?

16:25:57 Vexual: i was broke wehn i went to the continent

16:27:00 Vexual: mp gets you into the highschool for zero

16:27:02 Apocalyptic: pankkake, are you watching Hollande's speech ?

16:27:14 pankkake: no

16:27:18 Apocalyptic: it's disastrous...

16:27:23 pankkake: I don't follow politics at all

16:27:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0028572 = 2.8572 BTC [-] {6}

16:28:12 pankkake: from what I understand our compatriots are caring about his personal life now… what the fuck

16:28:37 gesell1: fgesell

16:28:40 Apocalyptic: it diverts the attention from important matters

16:29:04 pankkake: yeah, like get your dick sucked by your secretary and so you can bomb foreign countries

16:29:16 Vexual: yay fiat

16:29:37 Apocalyptic: he's almost stuttering and his voice is quite high

16:29:53 Vexual: musolini

16:29:57 Apocalyptic: confidence -> 0

16:29:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]

16:30:42 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRU9V-u7EwQ

16:30:57 Vexual: "sody pop"

16:35:53 mircea_popescu: pankkake> from what I understand our compatriots are caring about his personal life now? what the fuck << gotta keep up with les americains

16:36:22 Apocalyptic: ^

16:36:23 pankkake: while being so pround of not being like them

16:36:27 pankkake: proud*

16:36:34 Apocalyptic: that's gone long ago

16:36:59 mircea_popescu: ;;google Julie Gayet nude

16:37:00 gribble: 14 Julie Gayet Nude Photos - Francois Hollande's Mistress Girlfriend?: http://www.everyjoe.com/2014/01/10/entertainment/julie-gayet-nude-photos-francois-hollande-mistress-girlfriend/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+b5media%2Feveryjoe+(EveryJoe); The sexually charged screen roles of Julie Gayet, Francois - Daily Mail: (1 more message)

16:37:30 Apocalyptic: now he's saying that not having a CDI at 25 years is unacceptable...

16:37:34 Apocalyptic: lol, surreal

16:37:42 mircea_popescu: what's a cdi ?

16:37:42 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIBOiZr9Kek

16:37:43 ozbot: Lil Kim Music Video 14 The Rain by Missy Elliott 1997 - YouTube

16:38:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55499779 BTC [+]

16:38:23 mircea_popescu: "Watch: Everything you need to know about the French president's love life"

16:38:31 Apocalyptic: mircea, it's a job contract for an undetermined timeframe, very hard to break for the employers

16:38:39 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha why the fuck do i need to know anything about some grasshopper-headed frenchie socialist.

16:38:45 Vexual: lol

16:38:50 Apocalyptic: basically the holly grail of employement in France

16:38:56 mircea_popescu: ah ah.

16:39:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.555 BTC [+]

16:39:09 mircea_popescu: they have those here too. except they're very easy to terminate.

16:39:27 KRS1: .bait

16:39:28 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m36xocW3uw1qhs5wyo1_1280.jpg

16:39:36 KRS1: jackpot

16:39:41 pankkake: honestly I like the CDD (which has a duration) better. it's actually harder to break, well until it ends of course

16:40:49 mircea_popescu: this is a point. pretty much the only way to terminate those is to pay up

16:40:58 mircea_popescu: sort-of like a pay-or-play contract works in the us.

16:41:29 pankkake: sadly you can only have the same CDD only 2 or 3 times

16:42:13 mircea_popescu: "16.34 So how will the French react to Francois Hollande's refusal to answer questions about whether Valerie Trierweiler is still the First Lady?

16:42:13 mircea_popescu: Remember 77 per cent of French people recently surveyed say his private life is of no concern to them."

16:42:14 mircea_popescu: bwahaha

16:42:34 mircea_popescu: i'm glad you mentioned this. absolute textbook study in how teh press doth not matter at all.

16:43:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.55999728 = 3.36 BTC [+] {5}

16:43:13 mircea_popescu: herpderp " Impatience is growing among some, as he continues to discuss foreign and domestic policy..." derpyderp the public does not care so here's some more of the retarded shit that preoccupies us"

16:43:29 Vexual: tat is missing

16:44:26 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flugsxgtD8k

16:44:27 ozbot: Lil' Kim & Phil Collins - In The Air Tonite (HD / Dirty) - YouTube

16:45:14 pankkake: it's quite funny that while he's probably annoyed about the attention on his private life, he also approved a law so that we can have our own NSA

16:46:11 mircea_popescu: i don't quite understand why politicians still maintain the facade that the press people are like... people.

16:46:11 Apocalyptic: pankkake, he already have it for a long time I thinl

16:46:14 Apocalyptic: *think

16:46:21 Apocalyptic: *we

16:46:25 mircea_popescu: it stands to reason you'd talk to them as if they were sorta obnoxious teenager at best

16:46:31 mircea_popescu: mentally retarded generally.

16:46:45 pankkake: I think they do it already

16:46:47 Apocalyptic: what's the DST to you if not our NSA ?

16:46:49 Vexual: imagine yourself as a politician

16:47:05 pankkake: yeah well the law is basically approving things that existed already, but were illegal

16:47:09 mircea_popescu: Vexual i'd have two nuns, one on each side. the left one'd carry the soap, the right one the ruler.

16:47:24 Vexual: you watched black lagoon

16:47:25 mircea_popescu: and the press conference'd start with a nails and handkerchief examination.

16:47:30 pankkake: which is actually one of the "justifications" for the law. "we're doing it already". lol

16:48:46 pankkake: in France journalists are basically employed by the politicians. they give interviews to whoever they want, they subsidize their crap no one wants to read, etc.

16:49:14 Vexual: and judges complain theres nothing to read

16:49:52 Vexual: buy time and call it a day

16:50:41 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBhXO40uO7g

16:50:44 pankkake: http://www.actu-belette.com/medias/images/capture-d-ecran-2013-09-22-a-16-51-04.png

16:51:13 ozbot: N.E.R.D. - Everyone Nose - YouTube

16:51:44 Vexual: femme actualle

16:52:01 pankkake: and that's only direct subsidies, anything bought by high schools etc. isn't accounted for

16:52:38 Vexual: you think you waste money?

16:54:38 Vexual: hoi

16:55:02 mircea_popescu: hm

16:58:43 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lZefsii1K0 krs1 this is for all your pole dancers

16:58:44 ozbot: Willie Nelson - Blue Eyes Crying In The Rain - Midnight Special 1980 HQ - YouTube

17:01:26 Vexual: you be nice to those gils

17:01:52 Vexual: or il come and poke a crocodile up your arse

17:02:32 Vexual: and they're infinitly more motile than alligators

17:03:44 Vexual: anyone who thinks i sound violent might like to taste the irony

17:04:06 mike_c: isn't it a bit early to be wasted vex?

17:04:22 Vexual: 3am here

17:04:24 mike_c: oh

17:05:27 mircea_popescu: lol

17:05:29 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXEOESuiYcA many sirens

17:05:30 ozbot: KLF - 3 a m eternal (Complete) - YouTube

17:05:58 Vexual: 41 degrees celcius and 65 percent humidity

17:08:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 22968 @ 0.001 = 22.968 BTC [+]

17:12:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 29769 @ 0.001 = 29.769 BTC [+] {2}

17:13:43 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRDBBO1Z4g0

17:13:43 ozbot: N.W.A. - Fab 5 Freddie & N.W.A. in Manhattan - New York City (1991) - YouTube

17:17:27 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uudn3Y23IYI

17:17:28 ozbot: Dr Dre ft. Snoop Dogg - Still D.R.E - YouTube

17:21:49 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MQhk53ayeI

17:21:49 ozbot: Snoop Dogg Ft Pharrell - Beautiful HD - YouTube

17:25:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00008585 = 0.1717 BTC [-]

17:28:00 Vexual: 10bc the shit should be in jamacia

17:29:06 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD1s1zdDEIc

17:29:07 ozbot: Damian Marley - Welcome to Jamrock ( Lyrics ) - YouTube

17:33:30 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zqxAwbyETI

17:33:31 ozbot: Lee "Scratch" Perry - Pum Pum - YouTube

17:34:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55999999 BTC [+]

17:37:47 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJOtaWyEzaI

17:37:48 ozbot: Norah Jones - Summertime - YouTube

17:42:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6944 @ 0.00009039 = 0.6277 BTC [+]

17:42:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.102 BTC [+]

17:43:08 Vexual: http://vimeo.com/61341838

17:43:08 ozbot: Bob Dylan - Isis (1976) on Vimeo

17:50:14 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YPCdJbZYXo

17:53:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0491 = 0.1473 BTC [-] {3}

17:56:05 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpj9mCl0qg

17:56:05 ozbot: Arlo Guthrie - Coming Into Los Angeles (live 1969) HD 0815007 - YouTube

17:57:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04893333 = 0.2936 BTC [-] {2}

17:58:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0485 = 0.2425 BTC [-]

18:00:04 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wtncm2yzUE

18:00:05 ozbot: Billy Bunks - Strumpets - YouTube

18:03:12 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eB0RyRPH6Q

18:03:12 ozbot: Cross Bred Mongrels - Overgrown Town - YouTube

18:07:32 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-xu8CcamT4

18:07:33 ozbot: Hilltop hoods- dumb enough - YouTube

18:12:00 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WutGkPePnCU

18:12:14 ozbot: Black Eyed Peas My Humps Outro "So Real" Cleanly Edited Extended Version - YouTube

18:13:09 mod6: ;;bc,stats

18:13:12 gribble: Current Blocks: 280485 | Current Difficulty: 1.7895469510532405E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 282239 | Next Difficulty In: 1754 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2018000299.28 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.76599

18:13:48 Vexual: 5milly

18:14:20 Vexual: 20

18:14:37 mircea_popescu: it keeps slimming out, was 203mn last

18:14:47 Vexual: lol

18:14:54 Vexual: next halving maybe

18:15:12 Vexual: millions arent what they were

18:16:04 Vexual: just like my memory

18:16:50 truffles: dont worry nsa got that covered digitally :D

18:17:21 Vexual: yo dawg i herd you liked deniro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRRJpJIcaT4

18:17:56 truffles: still going strong with the music

18:19:28 Vexual: no im starting to see 50 hetz

18:21:59 Vexual: delerium tremors

18:22:31 Vexual: tremens

18:22:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00508637 = 1.0173 BTC [-] {11}

18:22:58 jurov: delirium

18:23:02 Vexual: that too

18:23:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00506405 = 1.0128 BTC [-] {5}

18:25:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 224 @ 0.00387999 = 0.8691 BTC [-]

18:37:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 970 @ 0.0028562 = 2.7705 BTC [-]

18:38:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00283753 = 0.2185 BTC [-] {3}

18:40:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1291 @ 0.00280155 = 3.6168 BTC [-] {6}

18:40:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]

18:41:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 255 @ 0.0028 = 0.714 BTC [-] {4}

18:42:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00280001 = 0.154 BTC [+]

18:43:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 179 @ 0.0028 = 0.5012 BTC [-] {4}

18:44:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00279 = 0.3069 BTC [-] {2}

18:45:44 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZD982yrmx4

18:45:44 ozbot: Silverchair - Tomorrow - YouTube

18:46:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00278 = 0.2502 BTC [-] {2}

18:48:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 795 @ 0.00048998 = 0.3895 BTC [+]

18:49:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00084234 = 14.3198 BTC [-]

18:50:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.00277 = 0.8282 BTC [-] {4}

18:50:33 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfwCGbBTxlg

18:50:34 ozbot: Silverchair - Israel's Son (Live @ MuchMusic) - YouTube

18:50:44 pankkake: silverchair is gay

18:51:11 Vexual: he smokes bong with our politicians with no sex

18:51:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2700 @ 0.00270519 = 7.304 BTC [-] {7}

18:52:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.002705 = 0.2867 BTC [-]

18:53:14 Vexual: bono was there too

18:53:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02694696 = 0.1078 BTC [-]

18:56:11 Vexual: and now when they ask who you'd go gay for, you can say silverchair]

18:57:53 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9y1b8F73Fo

18:57:54 ozbot: Silver Chair - Suicidal Dreams (Live at Much Music) - YouTube

18:58:30 jurov: lol so supposedly MPEx "is designed to mesmerize potential users, making them invest lots of time (that old chestnut), and confuse them into losing their BTC; all-the-while awarding a sense of superiority."

18:59:02 Vexual: soulds like marketing genius

18:59:50 pankkake: best criticism to date on that thread though

19:00:15 Vexual: an users in the thread?

19:00:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.00264979 = 0.4213 BTC [-] {5}

19:00:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]

19:01:12 Vexual: obviously youre ther with your clever quiffs pankkakke

19:01:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00256434 = 1.0257 BTC [-] {9}

19:01:50 jurov: nah, he's only paid troll

19:01:54 pankkake: what's a quiff? isn't it a pussy fart?

19:01:56 Vexual: youre always on like donkey kong

19:02:12 pankkake: I have utterly failed to monetize my trolling

19:02:31 Vexual: i don tknow, i think its a hairstyle and i misused the term

19:02:32 pankkake: hopefully at the end of the month I'll have a better health and will do actual stuff

19:02:53 Vexual: now you're channeling me

19:03:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 59 @ 0.00388 = 0.2289 BTC [+]

19:03:37 Vexual: im gonna give dr greg a mouthful just coz hes a fuckwit

19:04:07 Vexual: and his shut stinks

19:04:28 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxYgX28z9pE

19:04:29 ozbot: Silverchair - Shade (Live @ Cambridge Hotel 95) - YouTube

19:05:24 Vexual: and ive got the patent on stinky shit

19:05:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.04627854 = 1.8511 BTC [-] {10}

19:06:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 42 @ 0.0037 = 0.1554 BTC [-] {2}

19:08:00 Vexual: seriously that guy is a fucking bannaa

19:08:48 pankkake: why?

19:08:57 Vexual: the only reason he has a phd is because noone watnted too read his hsit anymore

19:09:25 Vexual: hes a karate expert with a soe back, doesnt compute

19:10:55 mike_c: new website announcement. assbot thinks its amazing.

19:10:55 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:11:20 mike_c: for those not afraid of a little javascript, a mpex option P/L tool:

19:11:22 Vexual: anytime he fucks up he blames his tools

19:11:25 mike_c: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/options/

19:11:25 ozbot: Option Analysis - Btc Alpha

19:11:43 mike_c: and an overview page for mpex stocks:

19:11:50 mike_c: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/

19:11:51 ozbot: S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha

19:12:03 mike_c: not as much javascript, a blog post:

19:12:05 pankkake: nice

19:12:09 mike_c: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/when-does-bitbet-money-come-in/

19:12:10 ozbot: When Does BitBet Money Come In? - Btc Alpha

19:12:11 Duffer1: ya looks great

19:12:29 mike_c: thanks. please send bug reports/suggestions.

19:12:52 mircea_popescu: threads made of win : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=413079.

19:13:04 Vexual: is it ever gonna be 1.0?

19:13:19 mircea_popescu: i'm unemployed, mods please clean up my mess. i'm a quick study, believe me when i say so, pay no mind to the fact i can't be fucking bothered to figure out where my post goes

19:13:37 mircea_popescu: mike_c o your blog ?

19:13:52 mike_c: blog is a piece of it, yeah. inaugural post is up.

19:14:09 kakobrekla: nice find mike_c

19:14:25 kakobrekla: a your stuff.

19:14:42 jurov: what is "correct price"?

19:14:49 Vexual: hanna has nice tits

19:15:16 mike_c: http://www.btcalpha.com/faq/#options_correct_price

19:15:17 ozbot: FAQ - Btc Alpha

19:15:30 Duffer1: vex proof?

19:15:31 mike_c: Garman-Kohlhagen

19:15:44 Vexual: just bitcointalk avatar

19:15:56 Duffer1: oh

19:18:46 Vexual: if i put a picture on there ill have my shirt open

19:20:18 pankkake: mike_c: rss feed would be nice

19:20:25 pankkake: for the blog

19:20:33 Duffer1: ^

19:20:41 mike_c: yeah, thanks. i'll add one.

19:21:14 Vexual: yall know blog are gay right?

19:21:28 pankkake: wrong

19:21:52 Vexual: u wanna be a pimp, monetise usenet

19:21:52 mike_c: blog is just a piece, if you use mpex hopefully the tools are useful.

19:23:04 Vexual: im just jealous

19:24:06 Vexual: my website is one jpeg and 3 links

19:24:26 Vexual: no rss coz it never changes

19:24:52 kakobrekla: as long as it has css you are good

19:25:26 Vexual: its kinda htm 1.0

19:26:44 Vexual: and no longer existanty

19:30:25 Vexual: i know theres more punters since 92

19:31:22 pankkake: http://headfucking.net/ probably my favorite css ever written

19:31:23 ozbot: headfucking.net

19:31:43 pankkake: and no images

19:32:26 jurov: mike_c i can't wrap my head about shorting puts, how is the profit computed there?

19:32:52 jurov: 100% means you will get all your investment back?

19:33:43 Vexual: thats yours huh pankkake?

19:33:55 mike_c: 100% means if you sell puts for 1btc you will keep it all

19:34:24 mike_c: calculation: is.. strike / (1 + price) i think for value of put. lemme check

19:34:37 Vexual: .bait

19:34:39 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/e264f5c962069cf13f1224f85af8c571/tumblr_mf9pmf6IVZ1rgnxczo1_500.jpg

19:35:00 Diablo-D3: sad they're fake

19:35:08 Vexual: b&w

19:36:12 mike_c: put value = (strike/spot - 1). so when you sell, your profit is whatever you got for the sale minus that.

19:36:18 jurov: it makes little sense if you don't put collateral into picture

19:36:37 mike_c: as far as ROI you mean

19:37:08 mike_c: ROI is different from profit, but yeah, that would be helpful.

19:38:12 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll find out in two days, maybe.

19:40:12 mike_c: one thing i think it helps with is finding the most profitable strike given an 'expected price'.

19:41:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999997 = 0.25 BTC [+] {2}

19:41:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 20000 @ 0.001 = 20 BTC [+]

19:42:16 jurov: yes, it does

19:45:04 jurov: in ff after selecting and unselecting several rows, i'm getting error in highcharts code

19:45:34 mike_c: hm. thanks, i'll investigate.

19:46:52 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/ :D

19:46:53 ozbot: People have made blogs pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:47:33 mike_c: thanks mp!

19:47:44 pizzaman1337: nice site mike_c

19:48:21 jurov: yup

19:48:26 mircea_popescu: now we need some girls to make blogs too

19:48:34 mircea_popescu: or - gasp - black people.

19:48:45 pizzaman1337: where's MPOE-PR's blog? :P

19:48:53 jurov: put that into niggers.txt

19:49:01 kakobrekla: lol

19:49:12 mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 she had one but can't hardly be arsed to update it iirc

19:50:29 jurov: thewhet.net

19:52:18 mircea_popescu: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/when-does-bitbet-money-come-in/ << this actually is exactly what i mean by fucking research.

19:52:18 ozbot: When Does BitBet Money Come In? - Btc Alpha

19:53:12 mike_c: i was surprised by the results too

19:53:48 mircea_popescu: i wasn't cause i have them, but the fact is there's so much counterintuitive if not outright fucking weird shit going on in btc

19:54:07 mircea_popescu: that really the lukewarm derpage people waste their time with is a sore waste.

19:54:59 mircea_popescu: mike_c "as well as the starting wager of whoever created the bet." is this sound ?

19:56:14 mike_c: i didn't want it to throw off the results. what i wanted to see was whether other people are being attracted to bets early.

19:56:21 kakobrekla: how about adding a weight adjusted line to that chart, plain linear?

19:56:36 pizzaman1337: imo that curve is a result of the "new bets" and "closing soon" sections on the left hand side. More visibility, more bets.

19:56:52 mike_c: i also ran the numbers bucketing by weight instead of by time, but it gets weird because bets can close early when there is still a high weight.

19:57:10 kakobrekla: aha

19:57:52 mircea_popescu: yes but see, a large part of late action is rebalancing of odds either according to new developments or others positioning.

19:58:21 pizzaman1337: that too

19:58:24 mircea_popescu: and since it's impossible to take out later readjustments of the bettor, you can't really take out his original stake either. course i suppose what exactly you're trying to see

19:59:00 mike_c: i have the numbers with those bets in as well. not as different as you would think. the sum of btc isn't that high.

19:59:15 mircea_popescu: i know (and for that matter house bets don't change much either)

19:59:29 mircea_popescu: more arguing for the principle of the thing than anything

20:01:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 132 @ 0.001 = 0.132 BTC [+]

20:01:59 mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 didn't you have a blog btw ?

20:03:15 mircea_popescu: jborkl's kinda been neglecting his

20:03:21 BingoBoingo: I think benkay just started one http://cascadianhacker.com/index.html

20:03:49 pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: I used to log/chart mpex prices, but then the spread on options got too high for me, so I stopped maintaining it

20:04:13 mircea_popescu: ah right

20:05:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00008601 = 0.4301 BTC [-]

20:05:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+]

20:05:37 jurov: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/07_paleo-in-portland.html hahaha

20:05:37 ozbot: Paleo in Portland

20:07:04 mircea_popescu: it IS his.

20:07:07 mircea_popescu: well, in the pot it goes.

20:12:31 mircea_popescu: this guy's been posting like an animal too

20:12:33 Apocalyptic: anyone maintaining some blog related to btc finance ?

20:12:45 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic mike_c for instance, discussed above

20:13:04 Apocalyptic: I saw a discussion about it yeah, he wanted to go for a code afaik

20:13:28 mircea_popescu: im sure the "bitcoin finance" blogspace is not saturated now,

20:13:30 mircea_popescu: nor will it ever be

20:13:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 6575 @ 0.001 = 6.575 BTC [+]

20:14:16 mike_c: mine is probably limited by the fact that i don't intend to waste time dissecting the scams.

20:14:20 Apocalyptic: "bitcoin finance" quality blogspace won't that's for sure

20:14:29 mircea_popescu: kinda what i meant.

20:14:39 jurov: ;;prevdiffchange

20:14:44 jurov: ;;diffchange

20:14:47 gribble: 26.15935

20:14:48 gribble: Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | 12.24051 % based on data since last change | 16.09483 % based on data for last three days

20:14:58 mircea_popescu: .d

20:14:58 ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1741 blocks | Estimated Change: 12.1541% in 10d 14h 49m 22s

20:15:07 mircea_popescu: it's kind-of plumeting

20:15:27 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1789546951.05324* 1.121541

20:15:28 gribble: 2007050277.03

20:15:35 mircea_popescu: at this rate...

20:15:46 pizzaman1337: that bitbet should be exciting

20:16:14 mircea_popescu: im curious if the no's will start pouring in now

20:16:30 kakobrekla: ill bitbet it wont

20:17:02 Apocalyptic: heh

20:17:21 kakobrekla: well

20:17:33 kakobrekla: bitbet doesnt do negative bets, so bet must be it will pour in

20:17:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 153 @ 0.00256 = 0.3917 BTC [-] {2}

20:17:45 kakobrekla: so if you put 100 on wont and 100 on no

20:17:55 kakobrekla: you can still lose

20:18:06 kakobrekla: since you put 200 on one side

20:18:29 kakobrekla: just dont start a butthurt fb page after you fuck up!

20:18:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00254332 = 0.1144 BTC [-] {6}

20:18:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.54111766 = 9.199 BTC [-] {7}

20:18:50 Apocalyptic: nice blog mike_c, looking forward to the "Non-equity investments" anlysis

20:18:55 Apocalyptic: *analysis

20:19:12 mike_c: thanks! it won't be long.

20:19:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 288 @ 0.00247982 = 0.7142 BTC [-] {6}

20:20:24 Apocalyptic: are you involved in finance irl ?

20:20:36 pizzaman1337: is btc not irl?

20:20:44 kakobrekla: im sure he pays the monthly b ills

20:20:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.00243 = 0.5103 BTC [-] {2}

20:20:47 mike_c: i have a serious interest in gambling. I include finance under that category.

20:21:18 Apocalyptic: pizzaman1337, i obviously meant fiat-base finance instruments

20:22:09 mike_c: my day job is engineering.

20:22:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00243 = 2.43 BTC [-] {2}

20:22:57 mircea_popescu: gambling and finance are strictly distinct.

20:23:08 mircea_popescu: finance is shorthand for resource allocation. gambling is shorthand for risk pricing

20:23:25 mircea_popescu: these two activities are often found jointly in nature, like any house building will involve carpentry and masonry

20:23:31 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, they have nothing at all in common.

20:24:00 Apocalyptic: mircea, wait, you're saying risk pricing isn't a subdomain of finance ?

20:25:11 mircea_popescu: that's what i'm saying.

20:25:27 Apocalyptic: i've always included the latter in the former somehow

20:25:33 mircea_popescu: why do you think bankers fail so miserabl,y at it ?

20:25:51 mircea_popescu: it works both ways, gamblers are notoriously bad at keeping the bills paid in time

20:26:00 mircea_popescu: even if they do have the money. they "forget" or whateverthefuck.

20:26:38 mike_c: but not by definition. there are gamblers that are responsible with money.

20:26:48 mike_c: like phil hellmuth

20:26:48 mircea_popescu: just mental tendencies.

20:27:04 mircea_popescu: obviously people being people there'l;l be exceptions to any stereotype

20:27:41 mike_c: so you are saying gambling=carpentry and finance=house building. in that case, i am interested in the carpentry aspect of finance.

20:28:08 mircea_popescu: nothin' wrong with that.

20:28:08 mike_c: although that is probably pigeon-holing it a bit.

20:28:33 benkay: what in this metaphor is the practice of acquiring capital?

20:29:00 mircea_popescu: did hellmuth actually win any one wsop/wsoe main event ?

20:29:13 mircea_popescu: benkay what is this practice ?

20:29:35 mike_c: he was youngest main event winner for a long time

20:29:36 mircea_popescu: o he's the guy that beat up chan nm

20:29:44 mircea_popescu: yeah it came to me

20:30:00 Apocalyptic: mike_c, wasn't that phil lakk ?

20:30:03 benkay: some people practice risk management, right? and others practice 'finance' (whatever that is) - carpentry and housebuilding. but what about simply acquiring power and wealth?

20:30:06 Apocalyptic: or whatever his lastname is spelled

20:30:32 mike_c: no, he won at 24

20:30:33 mike_c: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Hellmuth

20:30:34 ozbot: Phil Hellmuth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

20:31:22 mike_c: industrialists acquire wealth, they are not financiers.

20:31:24 benkay: mike_c: where's the btc alpha feed?

20:31:39 mircea_popescu: benkay well what about it ?

20:31:39 benkay: rss/atom

20:31:53 mike_c: no rss feed yet. coming this week.

20:32:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, the hellmuth guy, i recall this horrible loss to a romanian player, who had called a re-raise with a low pair or something

20:33:02 mircea_popescu: hellmuth folded a walking back to huston arrangement and then got all pissy

20:33:36 mike_c: yeah, his nickname is the poker brat for a reason.

20:35:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00084307 = 28.4536 BTC [+]

20:49:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 127 @ 0.0028473 = 0.3616 BTC [+] {8}

20:49:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53100003 BTC [-]

20:50:19 TomServo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRUxbS04SO4

20:50:19 ozbot: Phil Hellmuth outburst vs a Romanian at WSOP 2008 - YouTube

20:50:25 TomServo: in case anyone else was curious

20:52:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00501005 = 0.1102 BTC [-] {4}

20:56:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.04575999 = 1.144 BTC [-] {6}

20:56:22 Duffer1: other than being unprofessional is there some extra meaning or penalty for name calling?

20:56:50 mike_c: tournament director can give you a time penalty, making you sit out for awhile and get blinded off.

20:57:00 Duffer1: ah

20:57:15 Apocalyptic: thx for the link TomServo

20:57:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.001 = 1.5 BTC [+]

21:02:38 benkay: http://www.bitwall.io/

21:03:35 dub: what it is

21:04:00 TomServo: Micropayments for digital publishers.

21:04:26 mike_c: paywall for content. like tinypass.

21:05:07 Apocalyptic: like fraudsters credits

21:05:09 Apocalyptic: oh wait

21:05:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.005 = 0.19 BTC [-] {4}

21:05:49 thestringpuller: lol I have like 10k fraudsters credits

21:10:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23077 @ 0.00084307 = 19.4555 BTC [+]

21:10:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]

21:11:27 Duffer1: so apparently kanye has named amazon.com in his suit against anonymous coinye devs

21:11:56 Duffer1: http://www.tmz.com/2014/01/14/kanye-west-sues-coinye-west-currency-lawsuit/

21:11:56 ozbot: Kanye West Sues -- STOP USING MY FACE ... On Virtual Currency | TMZ.com

21:13:52 wao-ender: w0w

21:13:59 wao-ender: BIT gains $61M in investments?

21:14:10 wao-ender: The Bitcoin Investment Trust has proved to be popular, raising $61.1m from investors within three months of its launch.

21:14:24 Apocalyptic: wow indeed

21:14:45 pankkake: lol at the fish coin

21:14:59 the20year: where is BIT listed?

21:15:41 Duffer1: sounds fiat

21:16:16 wao-ender: the20year: https://www.secondmarket.com/

21:16:29 the20year: BIT has to do with second market?

21:16:37 the20year: Ah

21:16:40 the20year: yeah , secondmarket is huge

21:18:02 mircea_popescu: TomServo yup thats the one

21:21:32 TomServo: he's such a bitch

21:23:15 benkay: hey tomservo do you like fish sticks?

21:24:28 benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNoQXo8yeLc

21:24:28 ozbot: Fishsticks joke on kanye west - YouTube

21:24:39 TomServo: heh, I don't get it!

21:25:19 TomServo: haha, #coinyecoin just got cleared

21:25:29 TomServo: (CLEAR USERS used by coinyewest)

21:27:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53100002 BTC [-]

21:29:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 8500 @ 0.001 = 8.5 BTC [+]

21:41:28 KRS1: .bait

21:41:30 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0langqGUG1qk4kpgo1_1280.jpg

21:41:48 KRS1: .bait

21:41:49 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0eayj7fzi1rqj8vho1_500.png

21:42:00 KRS1: eww..sweat

21:42:01 KRS1: .bait

21:42:02 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyy001FPbH1r9mqq0o1_500.jpg

21:44:42 KRS1: .bait

21:44:43 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1j1hbtjTZ1qc3ldvo1_500.jpg

21:46:40 KRS1: If anyone wants to come and meet me and come to the North American Bitcoin Conference:

21:46:40 KRS1: http://btcmiami.com/

21:46:42 ozbot: North American Bitcoin Conference

21:47:22 KRS1: Miami Beach is beautiful almost year round.

21:48:17 the20year: and who are you?

21:48:47 KRS1: How do I answer that? You want my first name? First and last?

21:48:58 KRS1: I don't have a title like Duke or anything.

21:49:10 mircea_popescu: what's with this "we're organising a conference next week" thing

21:49:50 KRS1: Idk just found the link myself.

21:50:24 Apocalyptic: <KRS1> I don't have a title like Duke or anything. // a shame really

21:51:00 Apocalyptic: I met Duke jurov a week ago

21:51:19 jurov: Duke?

21:51:24 KRS1: Haha

21:53:00 KRS1: It would be cool to be a Count though.

21:53:19 KRS1: Maybe wear a cape in the winter.

21:53:46 KRS1: Pretty much warm year round in Mimai though, and I'd look funny.

22:09:01 Apocalyptic: you wouldn't blend well in Miami yeah

22:10:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 30000 @ 0.001 = 30 BTC [+]

22:22:33 mike_c: per request:

22:22:35 mike_c: http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/

22:22:35 ozbot: Btc Alpha Blog

22:22:55 benkay: what are you driving that with, mike_c?

22:22:56 Duffer1: subscribed

22:23:09 mike_c: mostly django

22:23:12 mike_c: thanks duffer

22:23:32 benkay: ditch it man

22:23:39 mike_c: for what?

22:23:41 benkay: django just lost bdfl

22:23:43 Apocalyptic: python rules

22:23:49 mike_c: again?

22:23:53 benkay: mhm.

22:24:35 mike_c: omg. what a pain.

22:24:36 mike_c: http://www.holovaty.com/writing/bdfls-retiring/

22:24:37 ozbot: Adrian and Jacob retiring as Django BDFLs | Holovaty.com

22:24:44 benkay: speaking as someone who ekes out the odd food credit derping on django, shit has no future.

22:25:29 benkay: python has hella robust data science and robust outsider community, but man the web story is fn sad

22:26:21 Apocalyptic: I would use pyweb then

22:26:49 Duffer1: soo unsubscribe? hehe

22:27:44 mike_c: hehe. nah. django is a great accelerator. lot of out-of-the-box stuff that works well. like that rss-generator.

22:28:11 kakobrekla: it fails in opera

22:28:22 mike_c: the feed?

22:28:27 kakobrekla: yea

22:28:27 benkay: i'd hazard that the bitcoin alpha biz req's are a little different from my deploy

22:28:44 kakobrekla: but hey rss sux

22:29:21 kakobrekla: no wonder the author commited suicide

22:29:34 Duffer1: ouch

22:29:58 pankkake: Atom is better, yes

22:30:15 kakobrekla: json and gtfo

22:30:56 pankkake: well, that json feeds would be nice. write a spec and patch software!

22:31:01 pankkake: -that

22:31:22 kakobrekla: i dont want to commit suicide down the lane.

22:31:28 kakobrekla: brb

22:57:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00084035 = 10.4203 BTC [-] {2}

22:58:31 mike_c: ;;later tell kakobrekla does this one work for you? http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/atom/

22:58:31 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:59:15 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg4515286#msg4515286 jimmothy must read #bitcoin-assets since he said options are gambling

22:59:17 ozbot: [Mpex.co] The biggest scam in bitcoin history?

23:01:10 Apocalyptic: mike_c, regarding your BitBet and MPex analysis on btcalpha, you claim these are "zero-asset company". I don't think this term is appropriate as they hold at the very least intangible assets such as goodwill resulting from their userbase and the reputation among other things

23:02:06 pankkake: well then is there such a thing as a zero asset company?

23:02:50 mike_c: i possibly made up that term as a differentiator from mp's "nonzero asset corporation"

23:02:56 mike_c: http://fraudsters.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/

23:02:57 ozbot: Accounting for the nonzero asset corporation. The MPEx standard. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Pope

23:03:24 mike_c: ah, no, i didn't make it up

23:03:33 mike_c: "This accounting system is not intended for zero asset corporations"

23:04:38 mike_c: i better term might be "zero tangible assets company", but that is a mouthful.

23:04:59 Apocalyptic: yeah was thinking about that exact formulation

23:05:19 pankkake: virtual assets company

23:09:09 Apocalyptic: <pankkake> well then is there such a thing as a zero asset company? // how would you define it ?

23:09:24 mike_c: it's defined as 0 book value.

23:09:31 pankkake: yeah… lol

23:09:44 Apocalyptic: according to http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071005223326AAxjjiN it's related to a holding company, weird

23:09:44 diametric: pankkake: this thread is amazing. i just started reading back through the posts on it.

23:09:44 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

23:09:52 diametric: people are really convinced mircea_popescu is a scam artist

23:10:12 diametric: its hilarious

23:10:16 Apocalyptic: "Usually a holding company is an asset-less company" what, I thought a holding company holds share of other companies, which are classified as assets

23:10:54 pankkake: that's not really bothering me. I wouldn't pay the 30 BTC fee myself, nor do I desire to hold MPOE

23:11:19 pankkake: but the complete refusal to understand what things are…

23:11:37 pankkake: I have my opinion, and I'm going to say dumb shit till the end

23:11:42 pankkake: no matter how stupid it makes me look

23:11:58 pankkake: and those guys defend scams to the death

23:12:10 Apocalyptic: pankkake, because in their mind there is no way they could ever be wrong

23:12:16 pankkake: so you don't want on mpex anyway

23:12:37 pankkake: +them

23:12:58 pankkake: but being wrong is how you learn!

23:13:11 Apocalyptic: once you admit it

23:13:29 Apocalyptic: and realise you actually are wrong

23:13:37 pankkake: then you are not wrong

23:13:42 pankkake: that's how I'm always right

23:17:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.02510002 = 0.5271 BTC [-] {4}

23:25:14 Duffer1: "Actually useful websites like crypto-trade or havelock as well as coloured coins will continue to gain traction as this shitty scheme dies out."

23:25:28 Duffer1: professional grade trolling right there

23:30:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 161 @ 0.001 = 0.161 BTC [+]

23:34:20 mircea_popescu: diametric it's a convenient conviction.

23:35:10 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic the "zero asset" thing is a term of art. a company that retains none of its income but distributes it all as dividends.

23:36:35 mircea_popescu: it has a better risk profile for the bitcoin investor than the alternative (if you review the early history of btc scams, 2011s, you'll see most corps turned scams once the "ceo" confronted the problem of "we have cashflow. what to do with that cash ?".

23:36:55 mircea_popescu: somehow "distribute it" never comes to mind. a problem fiat shares, for that matter. (buffett has some great comments on the topic)

23:46:02 Namworld: Comments? Is there readily availabe sources to read about that?

23:56:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 262 @ 0.003889 = 1.0189 BTC [+]

23:56:58 dub: http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/01/14/usa-medicare-pumps-idINL2N0KO02720140114

23:56:59 ozbot: UPDATE 1-Penis pumps cost U.S. government millions, watchdog cries waste

23:57:53 dub: life imitates art