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00:00:30 decimation: Rule by permanant bureaucracy is actually pretty stable historically

00:00:44 decimation: look at the Eastern Roman empire, and China

00:01:12 mircea_popescu: so then yes it can entirely ignore it.

00:01:16 mircea_popescu: it just tells it what to print.

00:01:19 decimation: The trick that the us government must navigate is to make the people still think they matter while making all the real decisions for them

00:01:31 decimation: that's the job of the media largely

00:01:36 mircea_popescu: it's only stable for as long as there's no new technology.

00:01:42 mircea_popescu: it is very unstable once the currency is attacked.

00:01:51 mircea_popescu: louis had the rule by bureaucracy down pat.

00:02:06 davout: mircea_popescu: nice article, preaching to the converted :-)

00:02:07 mircea_popescu: this is why attacking the currency is so paramountly important.

00:02:20 mircea_popescu: davout i like preaching to the converted, they have the best cleavage.

00:03:00 davout: mircea_popescu: i'll need to ask pankkake to explain this one to me

00:03:23 mircea_popescu: lol p has good cleavage ?!

00:03:34 davout: i don't know what you mean by cleavage

00:03:35 pankkake: what

00:03:50 davout: pankkake: your english is better than mine

00:03:56 pankkake: décolleté

00:04:03 decimation: I'm certainly a fan of peaceful transitions

00:04:13 mircea_popescu: http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/medium/633894003071319270-cleavage.jpg

00:04:22 decimation: hopefully there will be no Committee for Public Safety in the us

00:04:28 pankkake: http://www.singleape.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/american-apparel-deep-vneck-shirt.jpg and I don't wear those

00:04:30 herbijudlestoids: ok back from my calls

00:04:57 davout: haha i still don't get it ><

00:05:07 mircea_popescu: decimation peaceful transition is experimentally a function of ethnic and cultural homogenity and size.

00:05:17 pankkake: me neither

00:05:18 mircea_popescu: the us is a large, federal (as opposed to national) construct.

00:05:23 mircea_popescu: it can't not be bloody.

00:05:38 mircea_popescu: davout me either, but cleavage.

00:05:47 davout: mircea_popescu: this i get

00:05:51 mircea_popescu: me too.

00:05:54 mircea_popescu: daily basis!

00:06:00 davout: :-)

00:06:05 decimation: yeah, there are many possibilities but the most likely seems to be falling back to individual soviergnty of the states

00:06:09 mircea_popescu: corsage cleavage actually.

00:06:19 mircea_popescu: decimation how do you reason ?

00:06:21 decimation: especially the ones that haven't been demographically ruined

00:06:49 decimation: some states are fairly homogeneous, and the idea of a 'state' is a sufficient Schelling point around which militia can rally

00:07:05 mircea_popescu: except the only point of history n the us is the defeating of such a construct.

00:07:23 mircea_popescu: or review the legal history of the concept of nullification

00:07:49 mircea_popescu: no argument that it will probably get bloody around this argument rather than any other,

00:07:54 mircea_popescu: so a schelling point it is.

00:07:59 mircea_popescu: just, not for peaceful transition.

00:08:08 decimation: yeah I think you are likely correct

00:08:26 decimation: the trouble is that the collapse of the US will engulf the entire world in instability

00:08:59 mircea_popescu: "the entire world" as seen from the us.

00:09:08 mircea_popescu: may spill into canada, certainly will destroy mexico.

00:09:23 KRS-One: decimation is correct, unfortunately

00:09:45 KRS-One: not sure about the stability part, but it will be felt.

00:09:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025498 = 0.255 BTC [+]

00:10:16 mircea_popescu: how ? suddenly much cheaper oil and ciggarettes ?

00:10:32 decimation: Well, almost all "sovereign" nations today define themselves in relation to US power

00:10:43 mircea_popescu: how did you end up with that conclusion ?

00:10:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00025498 = 0.3825 BTC [+]

00:11:18 decimation: at the very least, there will be a hunt for collaborators

00:12:02 mircea_popescu: you tihnk ?

00:12:18 mircea_popescu: that's how medieval italy played out, except everyone inside blamed everyone for doing it

00:12:25 mircea_popescu: "bringing foreign troops into italia"

00:12:34 decimation: I guess if everyone is at fault then nobody is at fault

00:12:49 mircea_popescu: i doubt us people will actually want russian boots in pennsylvania

00:12:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2785 @ 0.000255 = 0.7102 BTC [+]

00:13:04 decimation: no they will stop that

00:13:12 mircea_popescu: obviously should the russians, chinese, saudi, israelis etc etc actually want to set foot

00:13:18 mircea_popescu: there'll be not many to stop them anyway

00:13:36 mircea_popescu: decimation incidentally, you know how late venice resolved the problem of french invaders ?

00:13:37 jurov: mircea_popescu: maybe north korea will invade the south once us troops go home

00:13:49 jurov: china joins the fray, then japan,...

00:13:53 mircea_popescu: jurov famished as they are, they'll be prolly beaten off with a stick

00:13:56 decimation: We are talking 1600's or so? no I don't

00:14:12 jurov: hopfully and dumbed by meth.

00:14:53 mircea_popescu: decimation the venetian whores fucked them well.

00:14:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000255 = 0.255 BTC [+]

00:15:08 mircea_popescu: including a certain high ranking chick the french king.

00:15:30 mircea_popescu: so i can totally see arizona liberated by the las vegas cocksucker tribe.

00:15:41 herbijudlestoids: im not betting on war :)

00:15:53 herbijudlestoids: although the senkakku/daiyou island stuff is troubling

00:15:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 400 @ 0.000255 = 0.102 BTC [+]

00:16:14 decimation: This was Charles VIII's invasion?

00:16:26 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids war lite. people shooting each other with small arms as if it were burbank.

00:16:30 mircea_popescu: decimation yea

00:17:44 decimation: interesting. the trouble with a turbulant future for the US (or other nuclear powers) is: what happens to the nukes?

00:18:17 mircea_popescu: decimation what happened to the russian nukes ?

00:18:27 jurov: the us bought them

00:18:35 mircea_popescu: notrly, but anyway.

00:18:57 pankkake: does S.MPOE intend to buy nukes?

00:19:05 jurov: hahaha

00:19:56 mircea_popescu: if they're cheap enough, why not.

00:20:18 mircea_popescu: a sovereign is a sovereign, it will do anything it may deem worth doing.

00:20:46 decimation: indeed, and once a 'bitcoin sovereign' acquires nukes, the foothold will be forever established

00:21:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00086745 = 10.4961 BTC [-]

00:21:26 herbijudlestoids: http://www.buzzfeed.com/juliegerstein/26-terrifyingly-sexy-pairs-of-mens-underwear-just-in-time-fo

00:21:27 ozbot: 26 Super-Sexy Pairs Of Men's Underwear Totally Perfect For Valentine's Day

00:21:30 decimation: The Russian nukes were managed by the civil service who wrought them

00:21:37 mircea_popescu: decimation not really, it's an expensive and dirty foothold.

00:21:42 mircea_popescu: we're not living in 1953

00:22:08 decimation: Well, if there is a major collapse of the US dollar for instance

00:22:12 decimation: the DoD will be broke

00:22:20 decimation: the aircraft carriers will rot in their docks

00:22:22 mircea_popescu: decimation expensive i meant in an absolute sense.

00:22:25 mircea_popescu: you have to maintain them

00:22:30 decimation: absolutely

00:22:34 decimation: and the delivery mechanisms

00:22:47 mircea_popescu: its a major hassle.

00:22:59 mircea_popescu: one of the reason this sovereign beats that sovereign is that it has a better definition of sovereignity.

00:23:10 mircea_popescu: one that's not tailored to the last lost war and its constraints.

00:24:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 400 @ 0.000255 = 0.102 BTC [+]

00:24:17 mircea_popescu: in 2013 nuclear warheads are about as useful as DTT bombs in an apple model store.

00:24:34 mircea_popescu: really, they'll kill a fly ? and douse everyone in there in carcinogenics ?

00:24:39 jurov: they will prolly sell them at thinkgeek

00:24:41 mircea_popescu: wait till you read the blogfeeds.

00:25:31 decimation: well, the ultimate argument against nukes today is that wealth is not held physically anymore

00:25:42 decimation: the value of a city is the sum of all the services its brains can provide

00:25:59 decimation: nuking the place ruins the value, making it a foolish proposition for any rational actor

00:26:03 herbijudlestoids: yo mirpop, its 2014

00:26:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [+]

00:26:08 mircea_popescu: moreover, practically : tokyo was hit worse than if the us had actually detonated a large nuclear warhead.

00:26:17 mircea_popescu: according to tokio administration, everything is and has been ok.

00:26:23 mircea_popescu: so i guess... it doesn't do much, after all.

00:26:48 jurov: there are irrational actors. religious nuttery is actually on the rise.

00:27:08 decimation: Yeah nukes are actually surprisingly survivable: http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nuclear_weapon_effects/nuclearwpneffctcalc.html

00:27:11 mircea_popescu: jurov the guarantee isn't that no city will be hit. in fact as i say above, at least one already has.

00:27:19 mircea_popescu: the guarantee is that it won't matter. it won't.

00:29:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3900 @ 0.000255 = 0.9945 BTC [+]

00:29:14 decimation: even in the red zone you would likely survive the immediate radiation if you were in a simple bunker

00:29:21 decimation: the pressure and fire, not so much perhaps

00:29:30 mircea_popescu: this is in fact the laser pointer argument all over again. the earth is very large. nukes are rather limited. see

00:29:31 mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daigo_Fukuryū_Maru

00:30:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.000255 = 1.53 BTC [+]

00:30:10 ThickAsThieves: from Cryptsy "We pick coins based on what we perceive the volume will be not based on any criteria you can just meet."

00:30:21 ThickAsThieves: do it up herb!

00:31:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1618 @ 0.00087094 = 1.4092 BTC [+]

00:31:36 mircea_popescu: o looky, wikipedia finally running out of bandwidth ?!

00:32:04 pankkake: I thought you just had to bribe them

00:32:41 decimation: indeed, and any attack against a nuclear state with nukes must always be considered suicidal because of the uncertainty about counter-strikes

00:32:45 mircea_popescu: "Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon."

00:32:59 ThickAsThieves: technically they dont want romanians reading it

00:33:04 herbijudlestoids: okkk..the spread on ATCBTC is now 1 satoshi

00:33:04 ThickAsThieves: sorry!

00:33:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3920 @ 0.000255 = 0.9996 BTC [+]

00:33:13 herbijudlestoids: ill try and keep it so

00:33:14 mircea_popescu: decimation not quite. the russians would retaliate against the us and eu, the us would probably retaliate against china,

00:33:21 mircea_popescu: china likely won't retaliate and that's the whole story.

00:33:40 Apocalyptic: <herbijudlestoids> okkk..the spread on ATCBTC is now 1 satoshi // you're aware of the fees right ?

00:33:55 herbijudlestoids: what do you mean?

00:34:08 herbijudlestoids: i am aware that there is a commission, yes...what does that have to do with the bid/ask spread?

00:34:12 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you can load the page ?

00:34:43 herbijudlestoids: Apocalyptic: im trying to build a microstructure and get paid appropriately for it

00:34:59 herbijudlestoids: haha fuck yes!

00:35:03 herbijudlestoids: already some bots seen it

00:35:53 herbijudlestoids: i am not the only one with this game in mind it seems, someone has an algo waiting

00:36:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07166666 = 0.215 BTC [+] {3}

00:36:36 Apocalyptic: your spread has to be higher than the commission in order to make it profitable disregarding price movement

00:36:49 kakobrekla: ;;ticker

00:36:50 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 603.97, Best ask: 606.99, Bid-ask spread: 3.02000, Last trade: 603.06, 24 hour volume: 28763.64056223, 24 hour low: 601.54, 24 hour high: 660.0, 24 hour vwap: 630.853465711

00:37:03 kakobrekla: o no moar gox here as well

00:37:09 pankkake: finally

00:37:12 kakobrekla: amazing

00:37:12 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

00:38:33 benkay: ;;ticker --market mtgox

00:38:34 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 444.0, Best ask: 444.47083, Bid-ask spread: 0.47083, Last trade: 444.0, 24 hour volume: 29456.16303645, 24 hour low: 444.0, 24 hour high: 549.0, 24 hour vwap: 492.42453

00:38:53 mircea_popescu: iiiincredible.

00:39:29 kakobrekla: options dude mixed up 400 with 4k

00:39:34 herbijudlestoids: Apocalyptic: gotta build it first.

00:39:35 kakobrekla: i tell ya.

00:39:52 herbijudlestoids: Apocalyptic: if i can convince some other fuckers to be doing the same thing then it starts to roll

00:39:58 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mebbe so. even if he had tho... he'd still be underwater atm

00:40:31 kakobrekla: myea

00:40:53 pankkake: openex has volume?

00:41:12 Apocalyptic: the guy running it is a nobody with shady past history afaik, UI is shit, the engine is PHP and looks like shit too

00:41:32 pankkake: so are the other altcoin trading places

00:41:36 herbijudlestoids: Apocalyptic: lol...it doesnt have much volume

00:41:52 Apocalyptic: it still does way more it should imi

00:41:55 Apocalyptic: *imo

00:42:07 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic sounds about right

00:42:14 BingoBoingo: Their order matching seems to be shit as well.

00:42:17 Apocalyptic: ^

00:42:32 kakobrekla: the string, is not tight enough.

00:42:39 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: whats specifically wrong with the order matching?

00:42:47 mircea_popescu: i think we should ban kakobrekla because he is slanderous.

00:42:58 Apocalyptic: <herbijudlestoids> BingoBoingo: whats specifically wrong with the order matching? // try to sell for a price of 0.00001

00:43:09 kakobrekla: not this again, whats next, you gonna ask me to fix and run mpex?

00:43:11 Apocalyptic: order will get executed at that price even if their are better bids

00:43:13 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: i tried to wipe out your bids with one limit order down to 111 satoshis and it skipped your bids and sold cheap

00:43:15 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol

00:43:25 mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> order will get executed at that price even if their are better bids << ahahaha WHAT

00:43:30 Apocalyptic: it's just... WTF

00:43:35 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: cos theres no liquidity in my bids

00:43:39 Apocalyptic: yeah mircea, i'm not even joking

00:43:40 herbijudlestoids: it matched correctly

00:43:54 B007: mircea_popescu: http://kazarinakristina.deviantart.com/art/Can-u-luv-me-again-419316137

00:43:55 herbijudlestoids: and if that was you, butthole :P

00:43:57 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so it puts unfunded bids on the book ?!

00:44:06 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: when i say no i mean low

00:44:11 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No, I just manually sniped your bids after that fail.

00:44:14 mircea_popescu: so it should have still executed

00:44:17 mircea_popescu: why skip them

00:44:22 herbijudlestoids: it didnt skip them

00:44:26 herbijudlestoids: they were executed!

00:44:37 herbijudlestoids: i own ~3000 more ATC than i did a few minutes ago

00:44:38 Apocalyptic: in my experience they weren't

00:44:44 Apocalyptic: WHAT

00:44:45 mircea_popescu: B007 ty, what's that ?

00:45:04 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: They were executed after the sale at 110 satoshis. Because I had to target them at the exact price

00:45:05 B007: pics of girls

00:45:14 B007: everyone likes girls

00:45:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2}

00:45:27 Apocalyptic: seriously this openex is unworthy of ATC

00:45:34 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: check the ATC trade history

00:46:18 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic seems so.

00:46:26 kakobrekla: so can atc buy pussy yet?

00:46:30 mircea_popescu: but it was the first one in the market.

00:46:38 mircea_popescu: sorta how mtgox happened.

00:46:43 mircea_popescu: took 3 years to get rid of.

00:46:51 Apocalyptic: i wonder why atc does require libboost

00:47:00 Apocalyptic: *libboost_chrono

00:47:37 herbijudlestoids: welp

00:47:39 pankkake: all bitcoins require it

00:47:46 herbijudlestoids: now you took my bids i got no more bids

00:47:49 herbijudlestoids: gg

00:47:59 pankkake: well, I updated the makefile, older boost versions don't need that change

00:48:11 mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo in battlegear

00:48:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [-]

00:48:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm just waiting for the next challenger to try to close the bid-ask spread

00:49:34 kakobrekla: is the market cap > than 1 pussy ?

00:49:35 Apocalyptic: x-bt's libboost libs are too old for that

00:49:39 mircea_popescu: lmao

00:49:42 pankkake: openex considers a 30 char password is only "good"

00:49:43 mircea_popescu: i had no idea there's ecosystem

00:50:01 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i'll sell you 1 pussy for 100 atc.

00:50:19 kakobrekla: those better not be digital?

00:50:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069 = 0.138 BTC [+]

00:50:36 mircea_popescu: http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/146/0/1/dat_pussy__lol_by_i_am_jeff_the_killer-d66m0tr.jpg

00:50:49 kakobrekla: scammed

00:51:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12471428 = 0.873 BTC [+] {5}

00:52:49 herbijudlestoids: haha ffs BingoBoingo

00:53:26 herbijudlestoids: lets see how you like this then

00:53:35 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/CryptoPumpGuru << noobs today.

00:53:36 ozbot: Crypto Pump Guru (CryptoPumpGuru) on Twitter

00:54:03 mircea_popescu: basically the concept of altcoin matched just perfectly on the preexisting pump and dump thing.

00:54:18 Duffer1: "Will be doing huge pumps in the future. Honest, safe, never pre-pump."

00:54:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]

00:57:27 B007: I made some dosh doing pump & dump

00:57:47 B007: not much though

00:58:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: old owner still had working passwords - half a year after the transfer was completed" << Butugichag is waiting with open arms for these fine folks.

00:59:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 2011 tho. you gotta understand, it was sort-of like atc.

00:59:50 mircea_popescu: ie, this plaything.

01:00:22 kakobrekla: B007 i hope you feel proud!

01:00:39 herbijudlestoids: this is slightly more amusing than chess BingoBoingo

01:00:44 herbijudlestoids: is it really just you

01:00:55 herbijudlestoids: or is there other participants in this shenanigans

01:01:04 B007: kakobrekla: I do

01:01:11 kakobrekla: lel.

01:01:42 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I dunno

01:01:58 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu wheres that personal responsibility url

01:02:07 kakobrekla: slap it to B007's face.

01:02:51 mircea_popescu: i'm not shenaniganing.

01:03:32 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: if you want the market to be liquid at ~100 so be it :P

01:03:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3900 @ 0.00025437 = 0.992 BTC [-] {2}

01:03:44 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no because who's he.

01:04:01 mircea_popescu: is that 100 satoshi ?

01:04:16 kakobrekla: some dude typing in this box

01:04:18 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You are the one who keeps Buying high and selling low

01:04:48 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo as rickles once said, he's making a loss on every trade but hopes to make it up on volume.

01:05:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My favorite part of this exercise is the one where I nao have moar ATC and BTC

01:05:47 BingoBoingo: Except for that mistake in their order matching left me down some ATC, because string and cans

01:06:32 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/3b56b45d6420c2006bf747e77549b54e/tumblr_myrrg82s3h1rtl7ujo1_1280.jpg

01:07:10 pankkake: approved

01:07:19 pankkake: oh, it's lexo

01:07:35 kakobrekla: the what?

01:12:10 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: the goal was to seed a microstructure, but if you dont want one, thats coo :) i can just lift the offers

01:12:23 herbijudlestoids: now what? nothin. boring.

01:12:48 herbijudlestoids: we coulda played pass the parcel

01:13:07 kakobrekla: first you need to fake up the volume

01:13:11 Vexual: im coming to the party

01:13:31 kakobrekla: to get some eyes watching

01:13:39 herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: isnt that wut i said

01:13:46 pankkake: should fake volumes be a feature of altcoingen.io? :)

01:13:46 kakobrekla: i have no idea what you said

01:13:53 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I believe this point came up in the -assets log earlier. You didn't need someone with 100 BTC to beat your efforts at Market Marking. All it took as someone with 0.015 BTC and some ATC.

01:14:14 herbijudlestoids: ? thats exactly what i said would happen?

01:14:31 herbijudlestoids: i am not capitalised correctly to make bids

01:14:40 kakobrekla: i dont know what is happening. so ill leave.

01:14:43 herbijudlestoids: and if im not capitalised correctly then the best i can do is the best i can do

01:15:08 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Or you could simply try to not become less capitalized?

01:17:42 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: yer, in which case the spread stays at 300 and nobody gives a fuck about the market

01:18:15 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: It isn't necessarily unhealty. It simply means sellers and buyers have a disagreement.

01:19:34 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: ok well let us see how much activity occurs with a spread of 300, my guess is none.

01:20:14 herbijudlestoids: probly between me and you there has been more activity in ATCBTC in the last hour than the last 5 days

01:20:29 mike_c: not even close.

01:20:47 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Consider this a lesson in fundamental assumptions that vary between the fiat and BTC worlds. Fiat can have money come in at any price.

01:21:33 herbijudlestoids: not really sure how this is any different from a fiat market

01:21:43 herbijudlestoids: aside from lack of leverage

01:21:47 herbijudlestoids: its just a two way auction.

01:21:51 BingoBoingo: BTC on the other hand is too expensive to throw away on making a market look right.

01:22:31 BingoBoingo: It is more important the market actually BE right, than to look "right"

01:23:20 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Consider the spreads on S.BBET and S.NSA

01:23:21 herbijudlestoids: right, so the correct state of ATCBTC is no trades? gg

01:23:37 mircea_popescu: what is the atc voluem to date actually ?

01:23:54 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No the correct state is trades only when there is an agreement between buyers and sellers on value.

01:23:54 herbijudlestoids: sweet fuck all

01:24:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Earlier this week it was up to 0.1 in a 24 hour period on Openex

01:24:27 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids gotta be a least a coupla bitcoins by now

01:24:41 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so like ~2btc total ?

01:24:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, it wasn't sustained long enough

01:25:02 herbijudlestoids: i count the cumulative volume as 0.18

01:25:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.069 = 0.276 BTC [+]

01:25:07 mircea_popescu: yeah but iirc i bought like 500k otc,

01:25:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: trades only when there is an agreement between buyers and sellers on value << where have you traded - and what? - where trade happens in some other way?

01:25:11 herbijudlestoids: from all trades listed in the recent trades window

01:25:14 mircea_popescu: and then ThickAsThieves also bought some iirc, so did you

01:25:51 pankkake: my sales are probably 0.3 BTC tops

01:26:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3017 @ 0.000255 = 0.7693 BTC [+] {3}

01:26:11 herbijudlestoids: lel the smallest market in the world

01:26:13 mircea_popescu: i think it all adds up to 2-3 over its lifetime

01:26:13 duduqa: hi folks

01:26:39 mircea_popescu: very cutely microscopic.

01:27:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0698 = 0.1396 BTC [+]

01:27:06 pankkake: bernankoin had a sole $25 transaction

01:27:35 pankkake: making it worth $10668370931 now

01:27:43 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/600c2ec26e9c9fcecccfc237252ba881/tumblr_ms3qgk9xvM1s9b0ano1_1280.jpg

01:27:46 mike_c: HunterS sold a couple million ATC supposedly

01:27:59 mircea_popescu: mike_c i thought 1mn

01:28:16 mike_c: he said he already offloaded 1.6mn before that

01:28:28 mircea_popescu: ah

01:28:38 mircea_popescu: ok so looks more like 5 really ?

01:28:49 pankkake: ;;calc 16850*512

01:28:50 gribble: 8627200

01:29:56 mircea_popescu: amusingly this is way better than bitcoin's first year

01:29:59 kakobrekla: Next difficulty (estimate)

01:29:59 kakobrekla: 32,319.43

01:29:59 kakobrekla: -48.47% change to current

01:29:59 kakobrekla: 1294 blocks until difficulty changes

01:30:15 mircea_popescu: i think it took about 19 months for a 5 btc aggregated trade

01:30:49 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I haven't much traded. I simply saw herbijudlestoids buying and selling at prices I like.

01:31:36 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unless i'm missing something, trade only happens when buyer and seller agree on a price. when goods change hands regardless, we usually use another word for it.

01:31:56 herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: you say price, BingoBoingo is talking perceived value.

01:31:59 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well,sure

01:33:24 mircea_popescu: i thought you were both discussing other people's other trades

01:33:27 mircea_popescu: rather than your own

01:34:02 herbijudlestoids: nah i put some bids in, try and create some interest, bingo wanted the bids instead of pass the parcel...now nothin

01:34:27 herbijudlestoids: i dun have enough BTC to keep the shenanigans goin

01:34:44 BingoBoingo: When he put in asks I also found them palatable.

01:34:49 mircea_popescu: lol

01:35:16 mircea_popescu: "so, fiat quant finds crypto playground, gets creamed" ?

01:35:44 herbijudlestoids: well, it was my assumption that BingoBoingo wouldnt wanna see the last trade as ~100 but i guess i was wrong

01:35:54 mircea_popescu: happens.

01:35:56 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283947.msg5103950#msg5103950

01:36:01 mircea_popescu: check it out, kate's back, they say.

01:36:03 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: last trade now seems to be 700

01:36:25 ozbot: [BTC-TC] CIPHERMINE-PT - Industrial Mining & High Performance Computing

01:36:47 Apocalyptic: someone's dumping hard on stamp

01:36:57 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i have not been creamed in any market since may 6 2010 :)

01:37:09 mircea_popescu: well what happened here then lol

01:37:12 duduqa: Apocalyptic: fresh newbies desperate

01:37:20 mircea_popescu: traditionally "i had a plan, gotta discontinue cause out of capital" is creamed.

01:37:21 KRS-One: creamed?

01:37:23 KRS-One: .bait

01:37:24 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2wil6sFcC1rrvc3lo1_500.jpg

01:37:38 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i sold some BTC for some ATC? at above the diff implied price?

01:37:48 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, that's what happens when you're MMing with low funds

01:37:53 herbijudlestoids: ^

01:37:54 B007: ozbot: boob are too big

01:38:00 mircea_popescu: holy shit i know that chick.

01:38:05 mircea_popescu: those aren't her boobs eithr.

01:38:07 KRS-One: yeah its totally looking the other way all stuck up

01:38:09 mircea_popescu: this is a chop/

01:38:17 KRS-One: rebait

01:38:18 KRS-One: .bait

01:38:19 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md0yk6CDFY1robs3no1_500.jpg

01:38:28 KRS-One: Mmmm rawr

01:39:12 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you're always going to be low on funds. this is bitcoin.

01:39:44 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so then what's the prblm ?

01:40:59 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: no problem specifically, but its unsustainable, id prefer to continue making a market around the diff implied price than not

01:41:23 mircea_popescu: how is it unsustainable, selling btc for atc at above diff implied price ?

01:41:32 mircea_popescu: or you mean, the atc was above ?

01:42:11 herbijudlestoids: i mean, now that i have no BTC in the account, i cant make the market...thats all

01:42:22 mike_c: so you made some profitable trades and now you're broke.

01:42:23 mircea_popescu: so then you got creamed.

01:42:28 KRS-One: .bait

01:42:28 herbijudlestoids: lel

01:42:29 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcza4qRLbt1rhmdp0o1_500.jpg

01:42:29 mircea_popescu: it is either one or the other you know.

01:42:46 herbijudlestoids: not really sure how im failing to explain this

01:42:52 mircea_popescu: either what you do is profitable and sustainable, or else it isn't. we have a word for that latter.

01:44:02 herbijudlestoids: so if i make a profit, but i cant make another profit, it counts as getting creamed?

01:44:08 herbijudlestoids: just to clarify on your definitions?

01:44:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 315 @ 0.0055 = 1.7325 BTC {2}

01:44:23 mircea_popescu: yup.

01:44:27 mircea_popescu: cause obviously you didn't make a profit.

01:44:32 kakobrekla: > I'm not sure why I ordered 8 rather than 9 upgrades, perhaps it was all we could afford at the time.

01:44:32 mircea_popescu: you just booked a profit.

01:44:35 KRS-One: http://i.imgur.com/7knHvEF.jpg

01:44:36 kakobrekla: this is how you run a company.

01:44:50 kakobrekla: perhaps we were short, perhaps i was high

01:45:08 mircea_popescu: perhaps the lucy in the sky...

01:45:11 jayk: oh dear

01:45:13 kakobrekla: perhaps i cut my dick off with that btc

01:45:31 mircea_popescu: and now i want the world to see

01:45:50 Duffer1: i've never seen that color of star trek shirt

01:45:53 jayk: at least ringo wasnt singing

01:45:55 herbijudlestoids: i find your definitions to be strange

01:45:58 herbijudlestoids: and confusing

01:46:05 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1615828/plain/)

01:46:05 mircea_popescu: !b 2

01:46:17 jayk: did you ever find out who that band of naked ladies was mircea_popescu

01:46:27 mircea_popescu: btw kakobrekla since you're not doing anything useful anyway, approve some bashes ?

01:46:34 mircea_popescu: jayk which one ?

01:46:41 jayk: oh id have to look for the picture

01:46:47 jayk: it was a week and half ago

01:46:56 jayk: it was in black and white

01:47:02 mircea_popescu: yes well you gotta cut me some slack here, i deal with nude bands of amazons on a biweekly basis

01:47:02 jayk: it was kind of amusing

01:47:12 mike_c: herbijudlestoids: it is not complicated. you did not "make a profit". you entered a position.

01:47:12 mircea_popescu: s/cut/cunt/

01:47:15 jayk: hah

01:47:32 BingoBoingo: I made two profits.

01:47:45 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

01:48:12 BingoBoingo: And last trade on ATC was 700 Satoshis

01:48:35 jayk: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me15otBzHe1ru15g3o1_500.jpg

01:48:35 mircea_popescu: incidentally, why are you two so convinced a high last trade is useful or important ?

01:48:36 jayk: that pic

01:48:41 mike_c: omg. their order matching is horrible

01:48:43 mircea_popescu: not saying it isn't necessarily, but curious as to the rationale.

01:48:44 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm no

01:48:46 kakobrekla: wait, reading the forum is not useful!? fuck, the time wasted.

01:48:48 BingoBoingo: *not

01:49:11 BingoBoingo: But I think Dogers like high last trades

01:49:11 mircea_popescu: jayk ah, nope. they claimed it was some slovenian band but it turned out to be a scam

01:49:19 jayk: oic

01:49:21 jayk: haha

01:49:40 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mam7zdFeJR1ru15g3o1_500.jpg there.

01:49:54 BingoBoingo: Hopefully some Dogers will see 700 and think my selling at 625 is cheap

01:50:20 BingoBoingo: At least I hope idiocy works that way

01:50:39 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: im starting to feel like i perceive value at 110 :)

01:50:45 mircea_popescu: because smaller amount of derphone ?

01:52:58 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Isn't two cans and a sting magical

01:53:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6647 @ 0.00087106 = 5.7899 BTC [+] {2}

01:53:45 herbijudlestoids: as long as the spread is wide it costs me almost nothing to keep the last at 110 :P

01:54:21 herbijudlestoids: i can keep the idiots far away

01:54:29 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: How do you know you aren't gifiting me cheap ATC at that price?

01:54:50 herbijudlestoids: i am, sure, 0.00000001 ATC

01:55:25 mircea_popescu: to reiterate my earlier q : why are you so convinced a high price is better than a low price ?

01:56:13 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm not at all convinced. I just want to trick herbijudlestoids into gifting me more coins.

01:56:26 mircea_popescu: well yes, it's what generally goes on in the markets.

01:57:46 BingoBoingo: Now I just have to see if my withdrawal of most of herbijudlestoids's BTC makes it from Openex to https://blockchain.info/address/1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4

01:58:22 Apocalyptic: good luck

01:58:46 Duffer1: LvCunts

01:58:48 Duffer1: nice

01:59:31 mircea_popescu: cunt levelling service ?

01:59:33 herbijudlestoids: i will just have to get another $9 :P

02:00:16 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you're focusing on the wrong aspect here. nobody is proposing you should be hanged, the argument isn't that o woe, you lost your dwelling and your woman and your future playing barbute with teh atc market.

02:01:26 herbijudlestoids: yea im not really sure what the argument is other than BingoBoingo wanted to prove some point about the way BTC markets should be

02:01:33 herbijudlestoids: gg

02:01:58 mike_c: ;;ud gg

02:01:59 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gg | GG. "Good Game" 1. A polite remark uttered after the end of a round, game, or other measured interval to indicate that a match was fair and enjoyable. Usually ...

02:01:59 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: gg

02:02:00 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Well, the point is they should be different from Doge markets with their pumping and dumping and a lack of actual value

02:02:06 mircea_popescu: "good going"

02:02:09 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: gg

02:02:42 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids think in terms of autonomous entities. like say an insect, or whatever. its survival as a type and as a species depends on interracting with an unspeicifed envronment a certain way.

02:03:11 mircea_popescu: so far you're failing that test.

02:04:19 herbijudlestoids: lol ok?

02:05:21 herbijudlestoids: lucky my survival doesnt depend at all whatsoever on my attempts to generate interest on openex in ATCBTC :)

02:05:46 mike_c: <sigh> you want to learn your lessons when they only cost $9 or when they cost more?

02:06:21 herbijudlestoids: haha fuck mike_c if its so aggravating, you can just put me on ignore, right? like i dont want to draw sighs from anyone

02:06:33 mike_c: uh oh. don't get all sensitive again

02:06:45 herbijudlestoids: again?

02:07:04 Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg5129392#msg5129392 bitbet anyone?

02:07:06 ozbot: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]

02:07:12 mike_c: nevermind, nevermind. anyway, the spread has gotten lower.

02:07:33 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids no but see, the argument is that nature did well enough populating the earth without trying to populate the earth

02:07:43 mircea_popescu: but merely out of a bunch of things following my rule above.

02:07:53 mircea_popescu: meanwhile obama did very poorly trying to "restart the economy" from the top down

02:08:08 mircea_popescu: and generally, the ideology surrounding bitcoin is that these two are irreconciliable, and the 2nd is wrong.

02:10:07 herbijudlestoids: mike_c: yall seem convinced that you have taught me some kind of lesson...or that im learning it...or whatever...all i can see is approx what i said would happen if undercapitalised, happened. i dont really take any exception to it happening, but to the idea that there was some kind of inherent lesson, or some point, whatever... i dont see it

02:11:08 herbijudlestoids: this all started because mircea_popescu asked if i would be his "ATC daytrader on openex" because i mentioned having put on a small cascade of limit sells last night...and i said i didnt think there was anything to the market except the potential for MM

02:11:25 Apocalyptic: still talking about this heh ?

02:11:29 pankkake: Duffer1: I don't know if it will attract anyone. http://bitbet.us/bet/633/bfl-will-ship-before-activemining/ is almost dead

02:11:35 herbijudlestoids: i tried it anyway, to keep an open mind because maybe i am missing some concept... but i dont think i am.

02:11:54 herbijudlestoids: apparently this == quant gets creamed

02:11:57 pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/528/activemining-will-be-profitable-for-most-investors/ was better but required a lot of forum whoring :)

02:12:00 ozbot: BitBet - ActiveMining will be profitable for most investors

02:12:01 herbijudlestoids: for strange definitions of creamed

02:14:07 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: your analogies arent even close to related. nature builds simple robust systems, obama trying to restart a complex system far from equilibrium...

02:14:20 Vexual: Prince defined it back in '91

02:15:19 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: in no sense am i trying to build a complex system, just provide the seedbed for liquidity in ATCBTC on openex, in the hopes of enticing others to do similar

02:16:28 benkay: hope and socialism and a couple million bucks might get you a market.

02:16:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00087115 = 10.3667 BTC [+]

02:16:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.555 BTC [+]

02:17:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.08174 = 0.4087 BTC [-] {2}

02:17:56 mike_c: herb, i wasn't trying to rile you up. i was just commenting on you saying you didn't care because you lost $9. my point was that's the best kind of loss to learn from if you can.

02:18:23 herbijudlestoids: im not riled up lol, im trying to understand wtf

02:19:03 mircea_popescu: well ok, so how come my analogies are not related ?

02:19:09 jimjenkin: hi mircea

02:19:13 mircea_popescu: heya

02:19:20 jimjenkin: good post on mtgox

02:19:25 mircea_popescu: why ty.

02:19:25 jimjenkin: on your blog

02:19:41 Apocalyptic: damn i missed the new fraudsters

02:20:12 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids anyway, it's nothing as heavyhanded as "a lesson" blabla, it's just we apparently all seem to see sometyhing there.

02:21:03 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i just explained it? nature does not build systems which drift from equilibrium. obama is literally riding a complex system in escape velocity. the implication is that what i tried to do is ...incorrect...because its obama-esque and not nature-esque...im saying thats so far from what i was trying to accomplish, that i dont understand the connection

02:21:30 mircea_popescu: so what were you trying to accomplish ? because it seems one of those polymorphous things which changes under examination.

02:21:37 herbijudlestoids: ....

02:21:50 mircea_popescu: were you trying to turn a profit, were you trying to improve the atc ecosystem, what was it ?

02:22:39 jimjenkin: obama cant build obamacare becuase its impossible to scale 1 system to 330million individuals duh.

02:23:03 jimjenkin: that type of health system works in tiny populations like norway

02:23:33 mircea_popescu: jimjenkin norway has the advantage it doesn't need to build self-sustaining system, because they're getting free money from the sea.

02:23:34 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: what i said to you from the very beginning was that there is no profit to turn, except in the potential for MM, which i am underfunded for, but i would give a crack anyway

02:23:47 jimjenkin: thats true too mircea

02:23:47 mircea_popescu: so were you trying to turn a profit ?

02:24:52 herbijudlestoids: profit can come when there is an actual stack of bids and offers to sell into, in the meantime can make a small market around the diff implied price which encourages others to do same, generating the potential for daytrading, etc

02:25:06 mircea_popescu: that's a yes or a no?

02:25:16 jimjenkin: lol

02:25:37 jimjenkin: answers a simple question with gibberish

02:25:55 herbijudlestoids: ...

02:26:06 herbijudlestoids: am i really speaking gibberish here?

02:26:16 jimjenkin: the man asked you a question

02:26:17 mircea_popescu: amusingly, this is pretty much bitcoin-fiat dialogue, personified.

02:27:51 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: the purpose of my activity, like i explained to you (now 3 times) was to have a go at something i was skeptical would work, specifically because you seemed to think there was some potential in trying the idea out

02:28:02 herbijudlestoids: i couldnt decipher what the potential was on questioning

02:28:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2}

02:28:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.0008721 = 13.7792 BTC [+] {2}

02:28:12 herbijudlestoids: but willing to keep an open mind and have a go anyway

02:28:19 mircea_popescu: so what you're saying is basically that my question can not be answered, in that you can't in retrospect establish if you were or were not trying to turn a profit.

02:28:52 herbijudlestoids: i already said from the beginning that its highly unlikely for any business to succeed if undercapitalised and in this case i am undercapitalised for "daytrading ATC on openex"

02:28:54 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> <sigh> you want to learn your lessons when they only cost $9 or when they cost more? << the problem here is, of course, that people will waive their immunity to reality when reality is still powerless. this kind of puts a low bound on everyone's education, and this is why it's so much cheaper to educate poor kids.

02:29:07 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids what's that to do with anything ?

02:29:16 mircea_popescu: so you said hail mary before stepping on the battlefield. so ?

02:29:55 mircea_popescu: mike_c also why slaves are the most educable. they own nothing, are immune to nothing, have no choice but tu learn.

02:30:06 jimjenkin: mircea_popescu: can you talk about the latest developments regarding the tx mal. bullshit, does it matter?

02:30:30 mircea_popescu: jimjenkin depends what your criteria are, but i dunno why it would generally matter.

02:31:27 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i was not specifically, with the amount of capital input, trying to turn a profit. no. i figured that was clear but apparently not. the goal, specifically, was to entice an "ecosystem" as you put it, into existence, from which a profit can actually be derived.

02:31:44 mircea_popescu: so you were not trying to turn a profit, but to build up the ecosystem.

02:31:54 mircea_popescu: how is this different from obama trying to "restart the economy" ?

02:33:17 herbijudlestoids: i dun really see how its related at all.

02:33:30 mircea_popescu: so you perceive no point of contact between the two whatsoever ?

02:34:18 jimjenkin: everyone in crypto is trying to build an ecosystem, but they never explain what that ecosystem actually is

02:34:42 jimjenkin: another catchphrase of the tech community

02:35:01 herbijudlestoids: for the retarded, pls explicitly state what is the point of contact between trying to establish liquidity for exchanging ATCBTC and obama trying to kickstart a disjoint complex system in failure mode

02:35:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16046 @ 0.0008704 = 13.9664 BTC [-]

02:35:36 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids the us economy is in state S, obama intends to move it to state S'.

02:35:50 mircea_popescu: atc is in state A, you intend to move it to state A'

02:36:14 mircea_popescu: it would seem you are substantially both the same thing doing the same thing : having identified a "better" state and labouring to enact this notion of yours into reality.

02:36:23 herbijudlestoids: soooo basically, everything fighting entropy in any form whatsoever is now analoguous to obama trying to kickstart the economy

02:36:31 mircea_popescu: not in any form whatsoever.

02:36:32 herbijudlestoids: my body is in state X and trying to move to state X'

02:36:36 herbijudlestoids: my body is obama

02:36:38 mircea_popescu: nope.

02:36:47 mircea_popescu: your body is not aiming for a state in that sense, but merely proceeding from X.

02:37:05 mircea_popescu: you see, if your liver relases glycogen, this is because of X, not because of X'.

02:37:18 mircea_popescu: this distinction, which may appear without a difference, is actually the whole story.

02:38:13 herbijudlestoids: usually when you type mircea_popescu i feel like there is a ray of insight and knowledge which i can catch and appreciate. not so much today.

02:38:47 jimjenkin: so are you trying to make a profit

02:39:44 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i guess it must be cloudy :)

02:41:24 random_cat: what is the underlying for mpex options these days?

02:41:39 mircea_popescu: random_cat same as always, the bitcoincharts usd basket

02:41:45 herbijudlestoids: random_cat: http://mpex.co/faq.html#25

02:42:08 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids can you proceed through reductio ad absurdum ?

02:42:17 MisterE: how low can it go?

02:42:22 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: its been a while, but i guess so

02:42:26 MisterE: :D

02:42:26 MisterE: for some reason a drop always makes me giddy

02:42:44 random_cat: ty

02:42:47 mircea_popescu: MisterE in this case it makes me giddy too, i've a boatload of puts.

02:42:50 pankkake: http://beta.slashdot.org/story/198141

02:42:51 ozbot: Linksys Routers Exploited By "TheMoon" - Slashdot

02:43:00 MisterE: :)

02:43:13 random_cat: i knew i'd seen the basket answer before, but it got lost somewhere in the grey matter

02:43:15 herbijudlestoids: pankkake: there is a slashdot boycott underway you know :P

02:43:28 MisterE: fuck beta!

02:43:31 herbijudlestoids: ^

02:43:58 Jere_Jones: ;;bc,24hprc

02:43:59 gribble: 566.99

02:44:52 mircea_popescu: 1st comment is pretty cool pankkake

02:45:08 mircea_popescu: the only problem is that they're not decentralised, that's why.

02:45:16 mircea_popescu: if only they could be decentralised it'd work.

02:46:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.555 BTC [+]

02:47:22 BingoBoingo: .bait

02:47:23 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5840m0b5c1r4qqc5o1_1280.jpg

02:49:19 KRS-One: she looks fun

02:49:38 mircea_popescu: she looks cold.

02:55:21 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

02:55:22 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 580.21, Best ask: 583.5, Bid-ask spread: 3.29000, Last trade: 580.2, 24 hour volume: 34030.08209270, 24 hour low: 575.13, 24 hour high: 660.0, 24 hour vwap: 623.550568937

02:58:13 BingoBoingo: ;;asks 10000

02:58:14 gribble: There are currently 29342.931 bitcoins offered at or under 10000.0 USD, worth 33898938.0649 USD in total. | Data vintage: 87.7646 seconds

02:58:50 BingoBoingo: .bait

02:58:51 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4u69wVO941robs3no1_1280.jpg

02:59:14 jcpham: goxfail is funny

03:03:35 ThickAsThieves: wow you guys really overanalyzed this ATC mm thing

03:03:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55999999 BTC [+]

03:03:50 ThickAsThieves: herb, you did it wrong

03:03:57 ThickAsThieves: di it righter next time

03:03:59 ThickAsThieves: do*

03:04:43 herbijudlestoids: lol thx for the tips ThickAsThieves

03:05:01 ThickAsThieves: as soon as i saw your orders i knew you'd fail

03:05:21 herbijudlestoids: iv come up with a new strategy to keep hitting the bids with tiny increments and keep the last price down, somebody doesnt like it and has been thickening the book for me

03:05:26 ThickAsThieves: though the book looks better now

03:05:51 herbijudlestoids: yea they have to keep the book thicker to stop the tiny offers hitting their bids

03:06:08 herbijudlestoids: otherwise i can keep the price low indefinitely

03:07:13 ThickAsThieves: 500 is low? sweet

03:08:20 the20year1: 375, dang

03:08:50 BingoBoingo: Doge just had its first halving, Altcoin need to work on its Moon.

03:09:45 the20year1: There is now nearly a $200 gap between gox and coinbase

03:10:45 ThickAsThieves: it's not a gap it's a conversion rate

03:10:53 ThickAsThieves: goxcash and $ are not the same

03:11:26 the20year1: I understand

03:11:36 the20year1: however at one time the $ over coinbase price was quite high

03:11:52 taub: still spooky watching gox die like this

03:12:11 herbijudlestoids: http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/13/silk-road-2-hacked-88000-bitcoin-allegedly-stolen/

03:12:12 ozbot: Silk Road 2 Hacked, Over 4,000 Bitcoin Allegedly Stolen | TechCrunch

03:12:24 the20year1: What's this reference wallet stuff>

03:12:54 ThickAsThieves: maybe Silk Road 3 will be the charm!

03:13:21 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

03:13:23 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 555.73, Best ask: 556.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 556.0, 24 hour volume: 36665.57017113, 24 hour low: 555.0, 24 hour high: 660.0, 24 hour vwap: 621.045881481

03:13:30 ThickAsThieves: cheap coins

03:13:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12794 @ 0.00087083 = 11.1414 BTC [+] {2}

03:13:52 ThickAsThieves: wow

03:13:57 ThickAsThieves: gox is at 360

03:14:02 ThickAsThieves: 308

03:14:05 ThickAsThieves: wow

03:14:17 Vexual: do they still have any magic cards to trade?

03:14:29 ThickAsThieves: that was weird

03:14:37 ThickAsThieves: the book just disappeared and reappeared

03:14:52 ThickAsThieves: bids were filling at 305

03:15:09 ThickAsThieves: then like 3000btc of bids reappeared

03:15:12 ThickAsThieves: wtf

03:15:32 herbijudlestoids: bids filled at 302

03:15:46 ThickAsThieves: how do they many orders just appear?

03:15:49 ThickAsThieves: that*

03:16:23 ThickAsThieves: something fishy

03:16:40 ThickAsThieves: or maybe the feed was outta whack

03:17:45 ThickAsThieves: now the bid is $20 over the ask

03:19:42 ThickAsThieves: this is it boys

03:19:54 ThickAsThieves: gox is gasping for air

03:20:01 mike_c: it is in freefall

03:20:21 ThickAsThieves: these guys are just shorting on losses to eachother

03:20:32 ThickAsThieves: it's gonna break 200 i bet

03:20:36 twizt: below 100

03:20:37 twizt: lol

03:20:43 the20year1: 312

03:20:44 twizt: imo

03:22:02 herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: what do you mean shorting

03:22:07 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/nuclear-arm-fuse-safe-panel.htm

03:22:13 herbijudlestoids: i thought gox was a long only market

03:22:14 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> it's not a gap it's a conversion rate << more like a convulsion rate.

03:22:32 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i thought they were 5k btc yest.

03:22:56 benkay: also lulzy

03:22:59 benkay: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/700-mtgox-insolvency/

03:23:08 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: you thought what was 5000BTC yesterday?

03:23:09 ThickAsThieves: i mean people are panicking, thinking they are actually selling at a loss so they can buy cheaper

03:23:12 ThickAsThieves: but no one is left

03:23:18 ThickAsThieves: they are just pushing it to 0

03:23:18 herbijudlestoids: ah right

03:23:51 herbijudlestoids: well if they have halted bitcoin withdrawals then...

03:24:24 ThickAsThieves: or,

03:24:31 ThickAsThieves: gox knows theyve been had

03:24:41 MisterE: if they have halted withdrawals its over

03:24:42 ThickAsThieves: and is fractional big time

03:24:58 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: from my understanding only bitcoin withdrawals have been halted

03:25:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0028036 = 1.4018 BTC [-] {8}

03:25:17 herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: i get the feeling it wasnt fractional until the US Gov took several millions of their monies :P

03:25:17 ThickAsThieves: i dont envy the goxer right now?

03:25:19 MisterE: I still cant find any difinitive news about it

03:25:23 ThickAsThieves: which currency to fall back on?

03:25:29 ThickAsThieves: goxcash or goxcoins?

03:25:52 MisterE: yea I never wanted to trade at Gox ever

03:25:55 ThickAsThieves: herb it's been fractional since they decided to have a God account

03:26:00 MisterE: not after their harsh verification crap

03:26:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.00279702 = 4.1955 BTC [-] {5}

03:26:29 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: isnt that weird that you can never seem to find information? lol .... https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html " As you are aware, the MtGox team has been working hard to address an issue with the way that bitcoin withdrawals are processed. By "bitcoin withdrawal" we are referring to transactions from a MtGox bitcoin wallet to an external bitcoin address. Bitcoin transactions to any MtGox bitcoin

03:27:59 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> this is it boys << you have any idea how many different times in its history gox showed crossed wire ?

03:28:16 MisterE: wow Gox at $340 now

03:28:52 MisterE: btc-e and huboi ftw!

03:28:55 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids as far as i recall the original reports of the sr 2.0 failure placed the loss at 5k btc

03:29:01 mircea_popescu: which was a gross overstatement even then

03:29:11 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: ah right in reference to SR2. thx

03:29:13 ThickAsThieves: mp, cant you just let me be dramatic!

03:29:23 mircea_popescu: a ok

03:29:24 MisterE: Japan is always lying about their stuff that goes wrong

03:29:32 mircea_popescu: MisterE the guy is a french citizen

03:29:37 MisterE: it's the asian face saving thing

03:29:39 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: is btc-e really that trustworthy?

03:29:41 mircea_popescu: who apparently grew up in a romanian orphanage (?!)

03:29:46 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids no.

03:29:51 herbijudlestoids: thought so

03:30:02 herbijudlestoids: so, ftl :P

03:30:04 ThickAsThieves: oh i forgot to check how reddit is doing

03:30:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1226 @ 0.000257 = 0.3151 BTC [+]

03:30:15 MisterE: whats wrong with btc-e?

03:30:24 ThickAsThieves: reddit is asleep i guess

03:30:34 mircea_popescu: they were involved in at least one case of pumping a premined coin

03:30:44 mircea_popescu: back before this had become standard reddit practice

03:30:44 MisterE: oh? which?

03:30:51 MisterE: ahh

03:30:54 mircea_popescu: what was it even called, puresomething

03:31:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00087259 = 17.8445 BTC [+] {2}

03:31:09 MisterE: theres almost 100 altcoins now

03:31:16 ThickAsThieves: novacoin

03:31:22 ThickAsThieves: was btc-e's scamcoin

03:31:23 MisterE: I think that counts the ones that have failed too

03:31:24 mircea_popescu: and otherwise, sort-of dubious russian folk. not necessarily untrustworthy, just not particularly trustworthy for any reasons.

03:31:32 MisterE: huh, interesting

03:31:43 mircea_popescu: MisterE no coin ever fails. much like the us dollar, a coin has no actual obligations

03:31:45 MisterE: yea thats the only thing that worried me was the Russian angle

03:31:46 mircea_popescu: and so can never fail.

03:31:56 MisterE: well people drop it

03:32:00 MisterE: like Coinye

03:32:00 mircea_popescu: sure

03:32:07 MisterE: hashrate falls, etc.

03:32:14 ThickAsThieves: coins are zen

03:32:15 MisterE: LTC is dying a slow death

03:32:25 the20year1: russian angle?

03:32:29 ThickAsThieves: it is man who holds discontent

03:32:33 cazalla: MisterE: it'll be on gox any moment!

03:32:35 MisterE: yea it's Russian owned

03:32:46 MisterE: or started in Russia or someting

03:32:55 MisterE: lol cazalla

03:32:58 ThickAsThieves: just got another message, "what are your long-term plans for Altcoin?"

03:33:00 benkay: MisterE: better to assume everything's a scam but Bitcoin.

03:33:10 MisterE: that is their only hope is to take on altcoins

03:34:11 mircea_popescu: either that or to take cock.

03:34:49 herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: still there?

03:35:17 MisterE: haha

03:35:21 MisterE: cock pays

03:35:25 MisterE: always has, always will

03:36:02 ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell 5000 --mtgox

03:36:04 gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.

03:36:21 ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell 5000

03:36:24 gribble: A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 1616577.0448 USD and would take the last price down to 291.3229 USD, resulting in an average price of 323.3154 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.1923 seconds

03:36:38 mircea_popescu: ;;market sell 5000 --market mtgox

03:36:39 gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.

03:36:45 mircea_popescu: took it out huh.

03:36:55 ThickAsThieves: gox is default still

03:37:21 mike_c: ATC is fifth highest volume on openex

03:38:10 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maj7hslN4H1ru15g3o1_500.jpg << cold water. it doesn't shrink only cocks. boobs too.

03:38:17 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no it's not

03:38:41 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: lelll youre like an artist and your theme is "one naked lady amongst many clothed people"

03:38:55 herbijudlestoids: always.

03:39:02 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids aka "the human condition"

03:39:13 herbijudlestoids: too cryptic for the retarded

03:39:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19221 @ 0.00086838 = 16.6911 BTC [-] {2}

03:39:52 mircea_popescu: the human condition is a major theme in artwork across the centuries.

03:40:10 ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves no it's not <<< it is for the market command it seems

03:40:27 mircea_popescu: omg what sloppy banishment is this

03:40:32 mircea_popescu: ;;market sell 5000 --market bitstamp

03:40:33 gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.

03:40:44 ThickAsThieves: dat syntax

03:40:52 mircea_popescu: ;;market sell 5000 --usd --market bitstamp

03:40:53 gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.

03:41:09 mike_c: ;;market sell --market bitstamp 5000

03:41:09 gribble: A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 2665619.2280 USD and would take the last price down to 500.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 533.1238 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0463 seconds

03:41:10 taub: marketmaking in these chinese exchanges is too tough

03:41:11 mircea_popescu: o wait hah

03:41:13 taub: or not worth it

03:41:15 BingoBoingo: ;;market sell 25000

03:41:16 taub: too much competition

03:41:18 gribble: A market order to sell 25000 bitcoins right now would net 5136084.7808 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 205.4434 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0754 seconds

03:41:27 taub: don't lose money, but don't make any either

03:41:37 taub: just swapping btc back and forth for 0% fee

03:41:45 mircea_popescu: ;;market sell --market mtgox 25000

03:41:45 gribble: A market order to sell 25000 bitcoins right now would net 5136084.7808 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 205.4434 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 27.7914 seconds

03:41:51 mircea_popescu: it is the default.

03:42:06 taub: yea

03:42:11 mircea_popescu: bs.

03:42:59 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/oX8YkXt.png

03:43:18 ThickAsThieves: lol

03:44:59 herbijudlestoids: valentines day in aus already. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrBDcQq2DM

03:45:15 herbijudlestoids: gotta say, funniest vday on facebook iv ever seen, people are making good jokes

03:45:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00531947 = 0.5319 BTC [-] {3}

03:45:40 ThickAsThieves: does it involve Australian kisses?

03:45:58 herbijudlestoids: are Australian kisses something people overseas think we do but actually dont? :P

03:46:13 B007: ;;market sell 100000

03:46:14 gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 7106160.6930 USD and would take the last price down to 2.6954 USD, resulting in an average price of 71.0616 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.1413 seconds

03:46:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 213 @ 0.00083555 = 0.178 BTC [+]

03:46:28 ThickAsThieves: they are kisses "down under"

03:46:47 herbijudlestoids: ahha ThickAsThieves, this is one of the posts "Fuck roses, lick 'er cunt."

03:46:47 B007: ;;market sell 10000000

03:46:48 gribble: A market order to sell 10000000 bitcoins right now would net 7228836.5211 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0001 USD, resulting in an average price of 0.7229 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 34.2271 seconds

03:46:56 ThickAsThieves: lol

03:47:20 mircea_popescu: wasn't it "in the bush" ?

03:47:29 KRS-One: .bait

03:47:30 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0qjw8mfAV1r1slc5o1_1280.jpg

03:47:32 herbijudlestoids: also lots of people are saying happy Vladintines day, with pictures of putin being seductive, fucken hilarious

03:47:43 benkay: does namecoin work?

03:48:00 ThickAsThieves: supposedly they have a new browser plugin for it

03:48:10 ThickAsThieves: some PR about it today

03:48:17 benkay: as in does what ams said on tin?

03:48:17 B007: ;;market sell 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

03:48:17 gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 0 bitcoins, for a total of 7229404.4576 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 123.7412 seconds

03:48:19 mircea_popescu: it sort-of works

03:48:30 herbijudlestoids: benkay: i thought there was an issue that broke it, but apparently its been fixed, so i assume so

03:48:44 KRS-One: ;;market buy .bait

03:48:44 gribble: Error: '.bait' is not a valid non-negative floating point number.

03:48:51 B007: ;;market sell 10

03:48:52 gribble: A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 3909.1550 USD and would take the last price down to 387.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 390.9155 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 158.0034 seconds

03:49:04 herbijudlestoids: B007: having fun there?

03:49:17 B007: wait where can i buy for 390

03:49:23 herbijudlestoids: ...

03:49:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.071625 = 0.4298 BTC [+] {3}

03:49:28 KRS-One: mtgox ...go

03:49:49 benkay: ;;market sell KRS-One

03:49:50 gribble: Error: 'KRS-One' is not a valid non-negative floating point number.

03:49:58 KRS-One: cant afford meh

03:50:10 ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell 1 kilo

03:50:11 gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.

03:50:24 Namworld: Oh fuckin bullshit

03:50:25 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves take you about three weeks.

03:50:36 ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell --silkroad 1 kilo

03:50:36 gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.

03:50:45 ThickAsThieves: oh wait

03:50:46 Namworld: Yet again I can't do stuff not related to driving because they only take driver's license as a form of ID.

03:50:50 ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell --silkroad 2 1 kilo

03:50:51 gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.

03:50:56 ThickAsThieves: ok ill stop

03:50:56 Namworld: Seriously...

03:51:00 B007: wait coinbase you can sell for 600

03:51:01 mircea_popescu: good idea.

03:51:18 B007: are mtgox buys not going though?

03:51:22 mircea_popescu: Namworld clearly you're a terrorist, because everyone drives

03:51:26 mircea_popescu: only the terrorists fly.

03:52:10 Namworld: Yes. Obviously. Planning to take over the world with my flying fortress that rains doom.

03:52:23 ThickAsThieves: Canada doesnt have an ID card that works just like license?

03:52:49 mircea_popescu: canada has something that works ?!

03:53:07 B007: canada is like mini usa

03:53:21 Namworld: No. Not in French Canada.

03:53:50 Namworld: And it's a canadian business. Photo ID or Driver's license - No passport or provincial health card.

03:54:22 benkay: a coupla chainsaws mebbe

03:54:25 B007: ;;market buy 10000

03:54:25 gribble: A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 6752680.8043 USD and would take the last price up to 949.2028 USD, resulting in an average price of 675.2681 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 56.0308 seconds

03:54:29 Namworld: I only have passport and health card available here.

03:54:52 benkay: a bicycle?

03:55:32 moiety: morning, muffins are atually in the process of being made finally! [kiwi/apple]

03:56:40 herbijudlestoids: moiety: how much do kiwis cost in scotland!

03:56:46 B007: I have a $50,000.00 USD sell limit; anybody wanna sell?

03:56:53 moiety: kiwis are so underrated

03:57:07 herbijudlestoids: moiety: we get em cheap here cos just across the pond from NZ

03:57:12 moiety: just using jam herbi, its the bestthing to use for muffins

03:57:21 herbijudlestoids: ah true

03:57:27 moiety: i love the NZ accent, i wonder if they all sound so cheeky

03:57:30 ThickAsThieves: kiwis are so so

03:57:50 moiety: i wonder if my muffins will turn out green, hope so

03:57:56 moiety: might make them blue, i have dye

03:58:07 ThickAsThieves: they will turn out acidic

03:58:07 bloctoc: B007 that's a question for bitcoin-otc this forum is exclusively for smart-ass commentary

03:58:25 benkay: https://medium.com/p/9f53ef6a1c10/

03:58:55 benkay: polizei in america

03:59:28 B007: scary

03:59:53 Duffer1: r/Bad_cop_no_donut

04:00:58 B007: ;;market buy 100000

04:00:59 gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 31159.02 bitcoins, for a total of 594758785.7867 USD and take the price to 1000000000.0000. | Data vintage: 202.6239 seconds

04:02:00 herbijudlestoids: B007: just for the record, you know you can talk to gribble in /query right? :)

04:04:07 B007: yeah I should probably do that

04:05:03 moiety: ye of little faith ThickAsThieves

04:05:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1175 @ 0.0027757 = 3.2614 BTC [-] {8}

04:06:57 herbijudlestoids: benkay: yo that article is fucked right up.

04:08:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12000 @ 0.00025694 = 3.0833 BTC [+] {7}

04:09:28 benkay: nah, right in line with predictions.

04:09:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00275 = 0.385 BTC [-] {3}

04:10:34 Namworld: Can someone explain to me why CasinoBitcoin trades at 400 MONTHS of profits now? Keeps raising.

04:11:11 herbijudlestoids: benkay: true enough

04:11:35 benkay: did you hear about the kid who got sent away for more than just one night for getting sarcastic on the internet?

04:11:39 benkay: http://www.dallasobserver.com/2014-02-13/news/the-facebook-comment-that-ruined-a-life/full/

04:11:39 ozbot: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life - - News - Dallas - Dallas Observer

04:11:42 Duffer1: Namworld probably gambling on possible buyout price

04:11:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1946 @ 0.00025749 = 0.5011 BTC [+] {3}

04:13:06 herbijudlestoids: benkay: yea heard plenty of those stories

04:13:11 herbijudlestoids: holllyyyyy shitballs! YESSSSS

04:13:14 herbijudlestoids: i just got word

04:13:26 Duffer1: oh Namworld they acquired bit777 and peerbet

04:13:27 herbijudlestoids: my company landed the big customer we have been courting :)

04:13:42 herbijudlestoids: let the cash flowwwww

04:13:47 Duffer1: announced yesterday

04:15:23 moiety: i remember that benkay, ridiculous

04:16:31 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids wd.

04:16:46 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 how much does one pay for one of the casinos ?

04:16:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14063 @ 0.00087096 = 12.2483 BTC [+] {2}

04:17:12 benkay: congrats herbi, we just fired a client.

04:17:15 benkay: let me know if you need ops support ;)

04:17:21 Duffer1: "Terms of the deal have not been disclosed. "

04:17:25 mircea_popescu: derp.

04:17:27 Duffer1: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=CBTC

04:17:27 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: we got a buyout offer from a large company, now we can tell them to f off or value us at 10-20 times more

04:17:36 Duffer1: Updates tab has the announce

04:17:36 herbijudlestoids: this huge

04:17:48 benkay: us-pacific tz

04:18:42 mircea_popescu: lol ultraplay actually owned those shits ?!

04:18:49 mircea_popescu: this must be a misnomer.

04:19:04 mircea_popescu: "CasinoBitco.in (CBTC) was the first Bitcoin-only gaming establishment to offer unique, provably-fair games along with a full Sportsbook. Operating successfully since May 2013"

04:19:05 mircea_popescu: derp.

04:19:22 mircea_popescu: how retarded do you have to be to claim first=anything in 2013 ?!

04:19:34 the20year1: i'm the first rentalstarter on bitcoin in 2013

04:19:53 mircea_popescu: "trong financials Bit777/Peerbet"

04:20:04 Duffer1: i'm shocked kenilworth still hasn't been listed, it's been a month

04:20:09 mircea_popescu: i wonder what the strong financials those'd be. undisclosed as is customary ?

04:20:19 mircea_popescu: the20year1 you may well be, actually.

04:20:42 the20year1: I don't know why Duffer1. They said they were listing at HL, and it took me from Jan 9th to Feb 7th to get listed.

04:20:59 the20year1: And that's with 10 days of them having lost our paperwork

04:20:59 Duffer1: cbtc financials: we took in the pooper but since we were so overvalued to begin with we used the remainder to buy the competition

04:21:14 mircea_popescu: http://gambleonlinewithbitcoin.com/blog/?p=65 ahahaha check out this nonsense

04:21:15 ozbot: CasinoBitco.in – Bitcoin Gambling Market Analysis | CasinoBitco.in | Bitcoin Gaming

04:21:23 Duffer1: took it*

04:21:48 benkay: how much of your ipo have you sold, the20year1?

04:23:09 mike_c: !t h rent

04:23:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (1183 shares, 6.50650000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (30188 shares, 166.03400000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (30188 shares, 166.03400000 BTC)

04:23:18 the20year1: 48346 out of 78534

04:23:38 mike_c: assbot is lagged? he says 30188

04:24:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00491499 = 0.2457 BTC [-] {5}

04:24:16 the20year1: So what, 39% or so of the first round has been sold

04:24:21 mircea_popescu: !jd

04:24:22 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 14272 BTC profit, 41.5k BTC invested, 630.69 mio bets, 5.00 mio BTC wagered

04:24:33 the20year1: I'm not sure how the calculate it, since we had shares from bitfunder that migrated

04:25:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.0049143 = 0.1573 BTC [-] {2}

04:25:42 mike_c: some guy just dropped 1k btc on jd. it was a ride.

04:25:58 moiety: o.o

04:26:13 moiety: \o/ muffins turned out :D

04:26:16 ThickAsThieves: <Duffer1> i'm shocked kenilworth still hasn't been listed, it's been a month <<< they probly cant afford the listing fees

04:26:22 benkay: who's responsible for keeping track of that?

04:26:23 ThickAsThieves: plus theyre a scam anyway

04:26:47 Vexual: i'm shocked asic hasn't told em off yet

04:26:52 benkay: hl?

04:26:52 Duffer1: i know lol that's why i'm surprised havelock hasn't fallen all over itself to list them

04:26:54 moiety: my muffins are not a scam, how dare you

04:27:16 ThickAsThieves: i believe!

04:27:28 benkay: it's kinda crazy there's nowhere you can point and be like "look: notional float adds up simply"

04:27:41 Duffer1: maybe kenilworth too greedy to share the spoils of their scam with havelock

04:28:01 ThickAsThieves: no kenilworth just didnt fool enough people to get any volume

04:28:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15738 @ 0.00087297 = 13.7388 BTC [+]

04:28:10 Vexual: but they got a new landcruiser

04:28:32 benkay: el oh el everything's a scam

04:28:36 benkay: i'm going for a slice of pizza

04:28:37 ThickAsThieves: is that what the call kangaroos now?

04:28:43 Duffer1: i'm pretty sure they got thousands

04:29:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1075 @ 0.00083462 = 0.8972 BTC [-] {5}

04:29:15 ThickAsThieves: cuz they got em from you?

04:29:46 Duffer1: they didn't get a satoshi from me

04:29:47 moiety: kangaroos are scary http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/7f/60/b0/7f60b0704a735ea15ec0ca688cfd7f39.jpg

04:30:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 272 @ 0.00083402 = 0.2269 BTC [-] {2}

04:31:04 Vexual: landcruiser is rock where kangaroo is scissors

04:31:28 the20year1: i imagine they're like all sorts of real world IPOs, milk the capital till it's dry, move on

04:31:37 Vexual: ?

04:31:43 mircea_popescu: what, moiety's muffin is a scam ?!

04:31:54 moiety: FUD mircea_popescu!!

04:32:07 mircea_popescu: "fuck you doo" ?

04:32:34 Vexual: dont ill bust another gut

04:32:57 mircea_popescu: the20year1 like facebook, groupon, twitter etc ?

04:33:44 mircea_popescu: !t h cbtc

04:33:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00012000 / 0.00020914 / 0.00025998 (246707 shares, 51.59604926 BTC), 7D: 0.00002001 / 0.00015478 / 0.00025998 (1080713 shares, 167.27789495 BTC), 30D: 0.00002001 / 0.00012483 / 0.00025998 (2308771 shares, 288.19321627 BTC)

04:33:54 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3000000 * 0.00012483

04:33:54 gribble: 374.49

04:33:57 ThickAsThieves: facebook will let you choose special genders now

04:34:08 Vexual: so will aussie passports

04:34:11 moiety: no, the muffins are not a lie!

04:34:12 mircea_popescu: derp. the largest casino IN THE WORLD is worth less than pocket change

04:34:16 moiety: special genders?

04:34:19 mircea_popescu: yet it "Acquires" things and whatnot

04:34:20 Vexual: other

04:34:22 asciilifeform: http://nnsa.energy.gov/mediaroom/pressreleases/b61lep

04:34:22 ozbot: NNSA Reaches B61-12 Life Extension Program Milestone: First Full-System Mechanical Environment Test

04:34:29 moiety: retarded bi?

04:34:38 Vexual: necessity

04:34:44 asciilifeform: (but no pop! disappointment.)

04:34:57 ThickAsThieves: Havelock says CBTC market is 2034btc

04:35:02 mircea_popescu: wait! t\hey trade at a deep discount!

04:35:37 ThickAsThieves: it also says AM1 is 10899btc

04:35:48 ThickAsThieves: which is pretty funny

04:36:17 ThickAsThieves: cuz it'd be way higher, yet could never ever survive slippage

04:36:32 herbijudlestoids: 302 looks like its holding the lows on gox

04:36:41 herbijudlestoids: light activity ~400ish

04:37:07 Vexual: who cares about magic the gathering, whats atc doing?

04:37:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00547192 = 0.5472 BTC [+] {4}

04:37:15 ThickAsThieves: i managed some coinbase buys at 550

04:37:34 herbijudlestoids: Vexual: currently im frustrating all of BingoBoingos attempts to get the price to read 700 :P

04:37:47 Vexual: you need some collateral mate?

04:37:58 mircea_popescu: omg aussie conspiraci

04:38:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.00086822 = 18.0156 BTC [-] {4}

04:38:19 herbijudlestoids: nah plenty of ATC on hand, he can easily stop my efforts by continuing to fatten out the book

04:38:21 ThickAsThieves: aboriginal espionage

04:38:25 herbijudlestoids: actually looks quite nice now

04:38:43 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids does that clarify the point, incidentally ?

04:38:54 the20year1: mircea_popescu: sort of. All these little tech startups suck their funding dry and then move on to 'the next big thing' and screw over some other institutional investor

04:38:56 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu?

04:38:56 moiety: how is ATC doing ThickAsThieves should i have a wallet by now?

04:39:13 ThickAsThieves: you dont need a wallet til you buy some

04:39:16 the20year1: For a few years my brother worked for one such tech startup, their stupidity was amazing

04:39:16 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:39:51 ThickAsThieves: so far ATC has seen lows of like 150sat to highs of 700

04:39:52 herbijudlestoids: moiety: get a wallet and i will send you one freshly mined ATC no strings attached!

04:40:03 herbijudlestoids: well..its 120 blocks old...

04:40:10 the20year1: Spent several million dollars on a rock band for pc where you used your keyboard. First week sales were a couple hundred dollars

04:40:13 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it had lows of like 125 fo sho

04:40:20 ThickAsThieves: word

04:40:32 mircea_popescu: the20year you mean like guitar hero ?

04:40:36 ThickAsThieves: i'd value it at about 1750sat

04:40:38 herbijudlestoids: lows were 110 yall.

04:40:51 the20year1: yeah mircea_popescu that too

04:40:57 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves get out of here, 10x doge ?

04:41:01 mircea_popescu: or is it 100x doge by now

04:41:06 ThickAsThieves: well doge has more coins

04:41:16 Vexual: how many more?

04:41:21 ThickAsThieves: tons

04:41:32 herbijudlestoids: only a few satoshis above doge

04:41:45 ThickAsThieves: cant compare just by mkt price

04:41:53 herbijudlestoids: can so :P

04:42:04 ThickAsThieves: probly how everyone else does...

04:42:08 mircea_popescu: srsly, why can't i

04:42:10 Vexual: noone knows, they moved the cap

04:42:34 moiety: that's really kind herbi, but it's ok, i could try and mine one myself... OH I got my vanity! but its all mixed case D:

04:42:47 ThickAsThieves: total supply of doge is listed at 50trilliom

04:42:50 mircea_popescu: actually atc book looks deeper than doge book

04:42:52 ThickAsThieves: n

04:43:08 ThickAsThieves: total supply of ATC is like 268m

04:43:20 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i think bingo has been thickening it up while we argued earlier, cos i kept pinging his bids hehe

04:43:26 herbijudlestoids: looks good now i admit

04:43:36 ThickAsThieves: i'm in there too ;)

04:43:41 herbijudlestoids: yey

04:45:07 herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: regardless of the total supply, if i can go to market and get more satoshis per dogecoin (and i can, the liquidity is way better) then....

04:45:25 ThickAsThieves: lol these coins i bought on coinbase like an hour ago are +$70

04:46:00 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321699.msg5065312#msg5065312

04:46:06 mircea_popescu: derp. "i wasn't here so nothing happened"

04:46:13 ozbot: Is mcxNow trustful?

04:46:48 mircea_popescu: pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459281.msg5131910#msg5131910

04:47:38 ThickAsThieves: lol

04:48:00 herbijudlestoids: Vexual: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/george-brandis-signals-government-crackdown-on-online-piracy-20140214-32q62.html

04:48:58 ThickAsThieves: bitfetch.com seems to have died

04:49:08 ThickAsThieves: Scrat ^

04:49:25 ThickAsThieves: meh scrat aint here and dont care probly

04:49:31 mircea_popescu: what was bitfetch ?

04:49:54 ThickAsThieves: torrent dl condom

04:50:19 herbijudlestoids: ok so another idea i had

04:50:33 herbijudlestoids: was AWS S3 style storage

04:50:36 herbijudlestoids: but billed in bitcoin

04:50:48 herbijudlestoids: crazy? stupid? useful?

04:50:48 ThickAsThieves: billed?

04:51:00 herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: cloud storage is billed usually by the GB/month

04:51:10 herbijudlestoids: like 10c/GB/month

04:51:25 herbijudlestoids: so instead of 10c its 10c equiv of bitcoin

04:51:32 ThickAsThieves: so billed in fiat, but payable in btc

04:52:04 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids just kind-of old.

04:52:24 mircea_popescu: nobody has yet done a splendid job of bitcoin-based hosting, and there'd definitely be demand.

04:52:41 herbijudlestoids: web hosting you mean?

04:52:54 mircea_popescu: aws w/e

04:53:07 herbijudlestoids: right

04:54:14 mod6: can you withdraw atc @ openex? or just btc?

04:54:17 mircea_popescu: you'll likely move from offering just storage to offering processing too anyway

04:54:18 Bunnyh: how come some of my Altcoin block rewards are only 50 ATC ? i've mined a couple hundred blocks and most are 512, but three blocks are only 50

04:54:28 herbijudlestoids: mod6: yea anything they trade is withdrawable

04:54:38 mod6: cool, thx her

04:54:40 mircea_popescu: Bunnyh nopw that sounds like a bug

04:54:48 mircea_popescu: can you identify such a block ?

04:54:55 mod6: herb*

04:55:40 Bunnyh: txids: 600b598d44a39d0d6c98a02462ce453296ce0733b8febd039a1173f205519d7f 64c330b169c013de2da3137b11a9bf110f91118b9c00af7f4a4ce4921f674c9c f50ed30a51ad8b40660fb96c43f3b44dffb57652e4c3ee208fa768f5fcff4684

04:55:55 Bunnyh: http://atc.blockr.io/tx/info/f50ed30a51ad8b40660fb96c43f3b44dffb57652e4c3ee208fa768f5fcff4684

04:56:46 mircea_popescu: weird.

04:56:55 Vexual: shit

04:57:17 herbijudlestoids: mod6: withdrawals seem to require manual admin approval while theyre still in beta so keep that in mind

04:57:29 herbijudlestoids: i seen lots of people complaining in the chat cos they thought theyre automatic

04:58:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

04:58:37 herbijudlestoids: Bunnyh: that is kind of weird yeah.

04:58:57 herbijudlestoids: Bunnyh: got debug.log from your altcoind?

04:59:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 139 @ 0.50462769 = 70.1432 BTC [-] {43}

04:59:52 ThickAsThieves: maybe we discover how to hack bitcoin to have smaller block rewards

04:59:52 Bunnyh: yes i think so, unless it has already rotated enough so that those blocks aren't visible

05:00:18 Bunnyh: can't access it until after a few hours though

05:00:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.545 BTC [+]

05:00:47 mod6: herbi: thanks for the heads up.

05:01:03 herbijudlestoids: Bunnyh: i just checked my debug.log which goes back to the 9th of this month...none of those hashes are in there

05:01:23 herbijudlestoids: looks like theyre older than what i got

05:01:41 Bunnyh: i mined them on the 2nd

05:02:00 Bunnyh: and with eloipool actually, so i guess debug.log wouldn't have anything interesting anyway

05:02:29 mircea_popescu: sounds like the code change might have been a little buggy ?

05:02:32 herbijudlestoids: wait, did you mine them solo or in pool?

05:02:40 mircea_popescu: perhaps it allows you to declare 50 btc new blocks if you wish, even if they shoulkd be 512 ?

05:02:41 Vexual: lol

05:02:50 herbijudlestoids: or personal pool?

05:02:59 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids makes no diff really, cause the block was the block

05:03:01 Bunnyh: herbijudlestoids: solo pool, i had too much hashpower to use altcoind directly

05:03:21 Vexual: did you get any 512 blocks like that?

05:03:28 Bunnyh: yes, hundreds

05:03:41 Bunnyh: just those three 50 ATC blocks randomly

05:03:56 Vexual: why you telling people thne?

05:04:15 herbijudlestoids: it would still be good to see a log of the altcoind encountering those blocks and see what its saying

05:04:17 ThickAsThieves: we didnt have the source code on the 2nd tho

05:04:22 ThickAsThieves: did we?

05:04:22 mircea_popescu: pankkake ^ you ever heard of shit like that ?

05:04:34 herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: no

05:04:41 Bunnyh: Vexual: huh? i'm just interested in how/why that could happen

05:05:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.481 BTC [-]

05:06:00 Vexual: are you mining bc on the same rig?

05:06:25 MisterE: too much hashpower is a good problem to have

05:07:28 Bunnyh: Vexual: sure, i just thought i'd point those asics to a new coin for a night, it's not like that "too much hashpower" really makes much btc nowadays

05:07:53 herbijudlestoids: weird as well because those 50 blocks are surrounded by 512 blocks

05:07:58 ThickAsThieves: so it thought it was bitcoin not altcoin somehow

05:08:08 herbijudlestoids: not like its 50, 50, 50...its 512, 50, 512, 512, ... 50, 512...

05:08:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4800055 = 0.96 BTC [-] {2}

05:08:51 ThickAsThieves: so how do we do the reverse is the question

05:08:55 Bunnyh: "thought it was bitcoin" ? i have no idea what that could mean

05:09:02 ThickAsThieves: mine 512btc block

05:09:06 Bunnyh: they were just miners pointed to a pool that was pointed to altcoind

05:09:09 Vexual: someone would notic 512 bc blocks

05:09:22 ThickAsThieves: so

05:09:26 MisterE: 512 bc is a lot

05:09:32 ThickAsThieves: yep

05:09:37 ThickAsThieves: so is 5000btc

05:09:43 ThickAsThieves: or 1m

05:09:44 Vexual: so mr forbes would say the whole think is borked

05:10:04 MisterE: there's a thousand pundits waiting to say the whole thing is b0rked

05:10:09 ThickAsThieves: i knew ATC would be disruptive!

05:10:11 MisterE: Poor Robert Bork

05:10:32 MisterE: last niminee to try to be honest

05:10:35 MisterE: nominee*

05:10:35 ThickAsThieves: can nodes somehow affect this?

05:11:04 ThickAsThieves: when/where is the block reward determined?

05:11:06 Bunnyh: can't you generate less than the allowed block reward + fees in btc too? or would that be rejected by other nodes?

05:11:12 Vexual: what code are you running bunny?

05:11:28 Bunnyh: that was with the initial release of altcoind + latest eloipool

05:11:51 MisterE: I'll just follow the chat then jump on the sploit when you guys figure it out OK :p

05:12:50 herbijudlestoids: im looking at ../src/main.cpp:1076

05:13:06 herbijudlestoids: hang on ill pull it up

05:13:39 herbijudlestoids: https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1076

05:13:46 herbijudlestoids: is that the line that determines the block reward?

05:14:51 Bunnyh: looks familiar, i've had to check the same function with other coins to understand some custom implementations

05:14:52 Evolyn: can someone tell me whats happening with havelock? the site is... not accessable @.~

05:15:46 herbijudlestoids: Bunnyh: so for some reason when that function was called, it COIN must have = 0.097...

05:15:49 agorecki: What's the reward for mining a block in terms of fees? It's .2 bitcoin, isn't it?

05:15:53 ThickAsThieves: https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2109

05:16:16 ThickAsThieves: dunno if that is of interest

05:16:33 ThickAsThieves: just searching for 50s

05:16:34 ThickAsThieves: ...

05:16:46 ThickAsThieves: that's the only one

05:17:11 herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: that looks like an error code tho

05:17:18 Vexual: get you 0.01 back tat

05:17:41 mircea_popescu: <Bunnyh> can't you generate less than the allowed block reward + fees in btc too? or would that be rejected by other nodes? << you can

05:17:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00531907 = 0.117 BTC [-] {2}

05:18:11 mircea_popescu: Evolyn nobody said anything so far.

05:18:17 mircea_popescu: you can prolly ask toffoo

05:18:20 mircea_popescu: oops i mean topace

05:18:20 Bunnyh: so the bug could very well be in eloipool or my eloipool config

05:18:33 ThickAsThieves: evolyn, its probly cloudflare

05:18:36 Bunnyh: it was just a continuous run and those 50 ATC blocks happened randomly, spaced with dozens of normal blocks

05:18:38 ThickAsThieves: loads fine for me

05:19:08 ThickAsThieves: give it 5min

05:19:25 Evolyn: sometimes the site loads, yes, but having trouble most of time, and cloudflare shows me offline version all time

05:19:44 ThickAsThieves: there's something buggy in the code i think

05:19:52 ThickAsThieves: where it retries a bunch

05:20:06 ThickAsThieves: and then triggers CF

05:20:28 ThickAsThieves: happens to me a lot when pushing shares to people

05:20:38 MisterE: it's probably being ddosed

05:20:38 Bunnyh: Luke-Jr: can you think of any reason why eloipool would suddenly generate a 50 coin block reward instead of the actual amount that should be generated?

05:20:52 Bunnyh: 50 is the initial btc reward and eloipool is designed for btc, so wouldn't be too surprising...

05:21:12 MisterE: yea 50 per block right?

05:21:22 ThickAsThieves: might wanna point out we arent talkin bout btc to luke

05:21:41 MisterE: and to me :p

05:22:00 cs1980: taking about altcoin?

05:22:12 ThickAsThieves: yes

05:22:16 Bunnyh: Luke-Jr: the correct reward would be 512 coins in this case, and eloipool mostly generated blocks with that amount

05:23:01 Luke-Jr: I can.

05:24:54 ThickAsThieves: care to share?

05:28:18 herbijudlestoids: i got a present for yall

05:28:19 herbijudlestoids: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Xrtb6OK8t2c/TTB3SJN1AuI/AAAAAAAABas/VoiZoColSOA/s640/Jeff-Goldblum-jeff-goldblum-13817997-357-500.jpg

05:28:21 ThickAsThieves: jurov when comes the ATC Coinroll?

05:28:57 MisterE: dammit man, I see images inline

05:29:02 MisterE: buy a Tesla: What happens when a Tesla Model S gets rear ended? http://t.co/GgEaFTKKdZ

05:30:32 ThickAsThieves: what is that a Kia?

05:30:46 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: never admit to geeks you see your images inline. http://wikka.moreawesomethanyou.com/images/e/e1/GoatseOA.jpg

05:30:57 MisterE: fucker!

05:31:31 MisterE: it's ok I'm numb to goatse

05:32:06 Bunnyh: i wouldn't even want to imagine what most irc channels look like with inline images ...

05:32:26 Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: I cared to share the Eloipool code in the first place, and it seems very few care to contribute back their changes, so.. not especially inclined to help with it tbh.

05:32:29 MisterE: its funny when I joined this channel and my gf sees me chat from her desk behind suddenly there are naked pics in chat and she comes over

05:33:14 KRS-One: lol MisterE

05:33:34 ThickAsThieves: Luke-Jr I never even heard of the thing

05:33:44 ThickAsThieves: just wondering

05:34:07 herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: give us a clue and we might be keen to contribute a patch? ;)

05:34:24 Luke-Jr: subsidy = 5000000000 >> (height // 210000)

05:35:07 herbijudlestoids: is that in eloipool or in altcoind code? looks like the line below the line i pasted before

05:35:14 Luke-Jr: used to fabricate block templates before bitcoind has the next block

05:35:48 Luke-Jr: Eloipool

05:35:58 Luke-Jr: and yes, it looks similar because it does the same thing :P

05:36:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00087297 = 4.3212 BTC [+]

05:37:24 ThickAsThieves: so it was caused by eloipool not altcoind

05:37:36 Vexual: phew

05:38:25 Bunnyh: thanks, mystery solved

05:38:40 herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: can we help with a patch? or its just a discrepancy for altcoins?

05:38:44 Bunnyh: that could be made configurable but then users would have to input the reward algorithm, which might be a bit convoluted with some coins

05:39:05 ThickAsThieves: herb i think it's an incompatibility

05:39:32 ThickAsThieves: how is eloipool supposed to know what to predict if it isnt predictable

05:39:37 Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: a patch would be handy

05:40:06 Luke-Jr: I'd think a simple config var with a lambda type would work

05:40:17 Luke-Jr: and complex altcoins could always define a full function in the config if they had to :p

05:41:14 herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: i think im on your github, but not 100% sure. do you mind pulling it up? file/line number?

05:41:43 mircea_popescu: o that's it then

05:42:40 Bunnyh: herbijudlestoids: merklemaker.py line 160

05:42:52 Luke-Jr: Eloipool is Gitorious-only FWIW

05:42:56 Luke-Jr: and Bunnyh beat me to it

05:43:02 mircea_popescu: might be an idea to grep the code for any 5000000000

05:43:07 mircea_popescu: just to be on the safe side

05:43:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 123 @ 0.00531478 = 0.6537 BTC [-] {7}

05:43:48 herbijudlestoids: https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/eloipool/source/8ceb124e5e7f67e58427365d20f90def7da0083e:merklemaker.py#L160

05:43:48 mircea_popescu: because if there's a config and then down the line this happens again in some other point people will curse.

05:43:50 ozbot: merklemaker.py in bitcoin/eloipool:master - Gitorious

05:43:57 Bunnyh: no other hits for 5000000000

05:44:04 mircea_popescu: cool then.

05:44:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53599999 BTC [+]

05:52:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00087297 = 4.4521 BTC [+]

05:53:06 herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: i like to think that i dont suck at python, but iv never used lambda functions before

05:54:54 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5134983#msg5134983

05:54:56 ozbot: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

05:55:22 mircea_popescu: 2fa huh.

06:07:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00087297 = 3.4919 BTC [+]

06:08:12 Duffer1: pankakke around?

06:09:05 Duffer1: ;;later tell pankakke for your thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg5133227#msg5133227

06:09:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:11:30 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 interesting that the activeminer crowd woudl confuse bitfury chips for bfl chips

06:12:03 Duffer1: ken claimed bfl chips, those that knew better pointed it out right away that the pic is bitfury

06:12:05 Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: abc = lambda(a, b): a + b

06:12:08 Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: is the same as

06:12:16 Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: def abc(a, b): return a + b

06:12:34 Luke-Jr: except abc might be some.object.property instead of just a word

06:12:36 Duffer1: er probably bitfury

06:12:49 mircea_popescu: it's bitfury

06:12:58 mircea_popescu: not that many actual chips around. not yet anyway.

06:13:03 herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: why lambda and not int? dont want to hassle you about stupid shit so feel free to ignore

06:13:06 Duffer1: it's interesting that people still believe anything ken says

06:13:31 herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: let me finish this patch im attempting, if it sucks you can tell me what i did wrong :D

06:13:31 Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: Do I need to resend my public key to MPEx to use my account? I keep getting unrecognized sig responses.

06:13:32 mircea_popescu: internet contrarianism.

06:13:44 Duffer1: down is up here

06:14:22 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder did you after oct ?

06:14:34 Bugpowder: I don't think so

06:14:40 mircea_popescu: then yes.

06:14:43 Bugpowder: OH

06:14:47 Bugpowder: OK

06:15:06 benkay: (defun higher-order-function-for-passing (thinger) (inc thinger))

06:15:18 Bugpowder: I love how I can spent an hour trying to fix gpg only to discover this fact.

06:15:25 Bugpowder: sending..

06:15:45 Duffer1: I don't see the reason to lie about who's chip it is though, what am I missing?

06:16:16 Duffer1: he's an idiot, don't overthink it OR is there another reason...

06:16:27 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 i dun see another reason

06:16:34 mircea_popescu: random internet person likes to get into arguments.

06:16:57 mircea_popescu: no downside, if he's proven wrong it's yet another random internet guy that's wrong.

06:17:12 mircea_popescu: perhaps some upside, he's gonna be an internet expert if it randomly happens he' sright.

06:17:37 Bugpowder: I hope this works...

06:17:49 Duffer1: he might be right in some rick and morty universe where 1+1=3...

06:17:50 mircea_popescu: "it's 2014 and that picture quality doesn't even exist anymore" i liked that part.

06:17:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00087066 = 4.7886 BTC [-]

06:17:57 herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: ok i emailed to the email address in your headers.

06:18:15 Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: int cannot do what lambda does :P

06:18:44 herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: no i understand the basics of lambda, what i was asking is why use it in this case. i emailed you a thing, if its wrong pls feel free to reply and let me know

06:19:10 herbijudlestoids: but to me it seems like you can just pull those hardcoded ints out into the config file and let the use modify?

06:19:39 mircea_popescu: he doesn't know for a fact it will be always ints.

06:20:13 Luke-Jr: it could be an exponential degrade every block, for example

06:20:20 Luke-Jr: or the subsidy could grow

06:21:56 herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: ill make you a deal, if you think my patch is correct for all cases where its int, then i will spend some time on the weekend and try to understand the lambda business

06:22:19 herbijudlestoids: i guess not really a "deal"

06:22:29 mircea_popescu: lol

06:22:44 mircea_popescu: pledge ?

06:22:51 herbijudlestoids: yea i pledge on mircea_popescus pants

06:23:01 mircea_popescu: best put some on then

06:23:30 Luke-Jr: I wouldn't call it correct.

06:23:38 Luke-Jr: I would argue that CoinDecimals*CoinBlockReward is wrong

06:23:44 Luke-Jr: and that software should only ever work in the base unit

06:24:29 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids remove this "decimals" nonsense from your head right now.

06:24:36 mircea_popescu: all bitcoin amounts are simply satoshi ints.

06:24:42 mircea_popescu: there's no fractions in crypto.

06:24:42 benkay: learning the lambda business is a good idea anyways herbijudlestoids

06:25:23 herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: ok i just took that example from the altcoind code where they have a constant COIN = 100000000 and constant CENT = 10000000

06:25:55 mircea_popescu: wait thats not right

06:26:05 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 100000000 / 10000000

06:26:06 gribble: 10

06:26:11 mircea_popescu: that's a dent.

06:26:40 herbijudlestoids: static const int64 COIN = 100000000;

06:26:40 herbijudlestoids: static const int64 CENT = 1000000;

06:26:46 mircea_popescu: a ok.

06:27:06 herbijudlestoids: sorry i might have the wrong number of 0s, didnt use CENT in my code in the end

06:27:22 herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: so aside from that single multiplication issue, its ok?

06:27:28 Luke-Jr: looks ok

06:27:45 benkay: engineering can never be a copy/paste affair.

06:27:52 herbijudlestoids: alright, i am asking to make sure im on the right track, cos i dont wanna go off and do XYZ and come back to you and burn your eyes out

06:28:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00086801 = 24.7817 BTC [-] {2}

06:28:08 Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: sent the right pub key to office, I hope

06:28:11 herbijudlestoids: benkay: i didnt say i copied it :)

06:28:33 herbijudlestoids: but i was trying to keep the python code to look similar to what i could see in the altcoind code

06:28:45 herbijudlestoids: and i figured there must be some convention for using this COIN

06:29:35 herbijudlestoids: ok, well Luke-Jr i pantspledge to you that i will look unto the lambda business and try to make a useful patch, so that you dont feel like all of us people in the community are cunts who never contrib (altho iv never used eloipool)

06:30:12 Luke-Jr: k

06:33:11 mircea_popescu: lmao

06:33:14 mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu

06:33:15 gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452

06:33:40 mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:06f4e6d6f3f39f655619c7c5064ab96dcfcb77e103c7dedbccf58e2c

06:33:41 gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452

06:33:51 mircea_popescu: ;;rate herbijudlestoids 1 Noob.

06:33:53 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user herbijudlestoids has been recorded.

06:34:07 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder should be ok

06:34:34 herbijudlestoids: thx mircea_popescu

06:35:28 herbijudlestoids: i have been waiting to do this for so long

06:35:34 herbijudlestoids: ;;rate BingoBoingo sexysosexy

06:35:34 gribble: Error: 'sexysosexy' is not a valid integer.

06:35:40 herbijudlestoids: ;;rate BingoBoingo 10 sexysosexy

06:35:41 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.

06:35:52 Bugpowder: YES

06:35:57 herbijudlestoids: amirite?

06:36:00 herbijudlestoids: imrite

06:36:04 Bugpowder: if only I had gotten this to work a few months ago

06:36:12 Bugpowder: I was gonna by calls at 100

06:36:13 Bugpowder: hey

06:36:23 Bugpowder: how are bitcoin transfers working right now?

06:36:39 Bugpowder: Are deposits able to come in or are the getting malled?

06:37:22 mircea_popescu: ;;rate Apocalyptic 1 x-bt.com etc

06:37:24 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Apocalyptic has been recorded.

06:37:51 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder what's malled ?!

06:38:19 Bugpowder: like transactions on the network. do they work right now? They do right? what % is getting mutated?

06:38:32 mircea_popescu: what difference does it make ?!

06:38:40 mircea_popescu: i have no idea %s, i dunno anyone counted.

06:38:50 mircea_popescu: ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 ATC

06:38:52 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.

06:38:54 Bugpowder: dunno. I just don't want to send a deposit and have it go to limbo

06:39:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00087362 = 32.2366 BTC [+] {2}

06:40:28 mircea_popescu: anyway, that's it for me. take care all.

06:40:33 Vexual: anyone blacklisting wonky nodes?

06:40:34 herbijudlestoids: cya mp

06:40:46 herbijudlestoids: time for a DNSBL of bitcoin nodes lol

06:45:29 Vexual: bugpowder you can always send it again

06:45:48 Bugpowder: sending a test deposit

06:46:58 herbijudlestoids: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xu4he/it_is_clear_that_silk_road_2_funds_were_stolen_by/

06:47:01 ozbot: It is clear that Silk Road 2 funds were stolen by the operators : Bitcoin

06:51:37 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK2qjeL-lxc

06:51:38 ozbot: My Milkshake - YouTube

06:53:49 herbijudlestoids: Vexual: will you be my valentine?

06:54:35 Vexual: if you get ukyo and burnside to spill the beans on the fbi

06:54:52 Vexual: i mean sec

06:56:07 MisterE: what herb, no honor among thieves? :)

06:56:28 MisterE: well I guess hosting a site for drug dealing doesn't make you a thief

06:57:48 Vexual: herbijerbi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPEM2RvpcLM

06:59:32 herbijudlestoids: MisterE: i dunno im not posting it because i agree but because the discussion within is interesting

06:59:48 herbijudlestoids: Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrBDcQq2DM&feature=youtu.be

07:00:21 MisterE: Ahh ok

07:00:32 herbijudlestoids: vex lovez teh dnb

07:02:04 Vexual: this needs the ag dancing

07:02:45 Vexual: even his tie looks like a police car

07:05:59 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSzpOUwiLkc

07:06:00 ozbot: Nightcrawlers - Push The Feeling On - YouTube

07:06:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51635 = 1.5491 BTC [-] {2}

07:12:13 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZSj3FbdFa4

07:12:14 ozbot: Daft Punk - Revolution 909 - YouTube

07:12:27 benkay: what the fuck is wrong with you two

07:12:48 Vexual: we're in love

07:13:03 Vexual: deal with it

07:13:27 benkay: -g

07:14:21 Vexual: #Your search - -g - did not match any documents.

07:14:46 KRS-One: whats wrong benkay

07:14:57 KRS-One: Did you have something important to talk about?

07:15:07 KRS-One: I'm here if so?

07:16:04 benkay: it's horrible

07:18:08 benkay: ?

07:18:54 herbijudlestoids: benkay: its fucken valentines day, dont ruin our love

07:19:18 herbijudlestoids: you will understand tomorrow when the rest of the world catches up

07:21:24 KRS-One: http://i.imgur.com/GNqe8bp.jpg

07:21:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.514 BTC [-]

07:22:42 herbijudlestoids: KRS-One: someone should go stand there with a sign saying "ONLY DUMBASSES PUT ALL THEIR EGGS IN ONE BASKET"

07:23:06 herbijudlestoids: "Y U SKIP DUE DILIGENCE"

07:23:53 Vexual: id have a sign with this qr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlhKRWGy7NQ

07:24:08 Vexual: ylang ylang

07:24:48 Vexual: but id put it on a post and get out of the snow

07:28:02 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uYs0gJD-LE

07:28:10 ozbot: M.I.A. - "Bad Girls" (Official Video) - YouTube

07:30:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00087062 = 10.8392 BTC [-]

07:33:24 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLRfeUIeSeY

07:33:26 ozbot: Peer Kusiv - Hoch-Tief (Video) - YouTube

07:37:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00087062 = 3.1342 BTC [-]

07:41:56 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD5phTXGN_0

07:41:56 ozbot: Madonna - Beautiful Stranger - Official Video HD - YouTube

07:45:46 Vexual: i heard mp lika madonna

07:46:00 herbijudlestoids: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell

07:46:01 ozbot: How a Web Design Goes Straight to Hell - The Oatmeal

07:46:39 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-xu8CcamT4 herbi

07:46:40 ozbot: Hilltop hoods- dumb enough - YouTube

07:49:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 72 @ 0.06969012 = 5.0177 BTC [-] {5}

07:50:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08014598 = 4.0073 BTC [+] {9}

07:51:21 Vexual: ok my openex tx finally got in, ima trade me some atc

07:51:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.0978 = 3.5208 BTC [+] {2}

07:53:23 Vexual: how many confirms do they like?

07:54:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17641 @ 0.00087278 = 15.3967 BTC [+] {4}

07:54:39 benkay: not until you give us more music videos

07:54:55 Vexual: you changed your tune trudy

07:55:20 Vexual: did you stockholm syndrome on my utube spam?

07:55:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 700 @ 0.00522077 = 3.6545 BTC [-] {11}

07:55:44 Vexual: or are you being facetious

07:57:44 KRS-One: http://i.imgur.com/d6NMXuZ.jpg

07:57:56 Vexual: lol

07:59:56 herbijudlestoids: they need all 6 confirms

08:00:00 herbijudlestoids: or 5 i think

08:00:03 herbijudlestoids: close to all

08:01:20 jurov: all of them

08:01:31 Vexual: all 6?

08:01:49 Vexual: its a polular number

08:02:39 jurov: by satoshi's decree

08:02:50 Vexual: was it?

08:03:10 Vexual: a decree or a passing fancy?

08:03:37 Vexual: theres litttle difference with satishi

08:04:39 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr5SnlxIZCA

08:04:39 ozbot: Hilltop Hoods - Rattling the Keys to the Kingdom - YouTube

08:05:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.50916666 = 3.055 BTC [-] {2}

08:10:53 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FucSOWdvc_M this ones for pankkake for no reason other than i remember his name

08:13:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00509978 = 0.561 BTC [-] {8}

08:15:44 BitcoinPropagand: Is there any MP here?

08:16:07 Vexual: asleep

08:16:14 herbijudlestoids: yerrrrr friday!

08:16:16 herbijudlestoids: WOOO

08:17:04 Vexual: shit thats two bits of info yove given me herbi, friday, and valentins

08:18:54 herbijudlestoids: http://www.securityweek.com/new-ie-10-zero-day-used-watering-hole-attack-targeting-us-military

08:19:35 herbijudlestoids: even after all these years

08:19:38 Vexual: ie10?

08:19:48 herbijudlestoids: the hax basically boil down to tricking someone

08:20:00 Vexual: what else you got ? how to trade atc on openex?

08:20:30 herbijudlestoids: lollll go read todays logs for that, everyones got an opinion about how what i did was wrong

08:20:41 Vexual: i was there and reading

08:20:50 herbijudlestoids: so thats all i got :P

08:21:02 Vexual: i wasn't going to offer the answer without a 1 atc prize

08:21:51 herbijudlestoids: http://t.co/PlG3uejFhK

08:22:36 herbijudlestoids: Vexual: i woulda given you 1 ATC just to represent our love

08:22:46 herbijudlestoids: fuck ill still give ya one ;)

08:24:20 Vexual: how many u got?

08:24:27 herbijudlestoids: plenty, want one? happy to

08:25:00 herbijudlestoids: gimme yer wallet addy

08:25:33 Vexual: yeah i don't actuall love you

08:26:09 herbijudlestoids: haha

08:26:10 herbijudlestoids: FINE

08:26:55 Vexual: youll need those atc soon, imma buy the whole board on openex

08:27:56 Vexual: ace thing

08:28:03 herbijudlestoids: low for now i got a steady stream coming in

08:28:13 Vexual: what are you mining with?

08:28:30 herbijudlestoids: about 1.3GH of ASIC

08:28:44 Vexual: loooks like bongo brain is preparing for me

08:29:40 Vexual: shit, im confirmed

08:30:54 Vexual: what do you know of bbs trades?

08:31:37 Vexual: nevermind

08:32:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0695 = 0.2085 BTC [-]

08:33:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.089 = 0.178 BTC [-]

08:33:31 herbijudlestoids: sorry was in the other room, what are bbs trades?

08:34:03 Vexual: bingoboingos' trades i meant, not a dial in board

08:34:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.089 = 0.712 BTC [-]

08:34:22 Vexual: imagine if crypto currency was invented then

08:34:45 Vexual: ok so what do i do herbi, i got btc

08:37:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00087453 = 15.829 BTC [+]

08:37:34 herbijudlestoids: well you can either buy ATC at market for 499s or put a bid in above 300s

08:37:57 herbijudlestoids: if you buy at market you get them now, if you put in a bid you gotta wait for someone to sell into the bid

08:38:25 herbijudlestoids: 290s is the highest bid now, sorry

08:38:52 herbijudlestoids: its a 2 way auction

08:40:48 herbijudlestoids: nothing stopping you from putting in bids below 290 i guess but then you gotta wait for someone to sell into the bids above oyu

08:42:38 Vexual: yeah m,y head say buy a fuckload at 125

08:43:46 herbijudlestoids: Vexual: there is a lot of bids above 125

08:43:58 Vexual: now, but earlier

08:44:41 herbijudlestoids: i think theyre all in there to stop me from pinging the last price to 110 hehe

08:44:58 Vexual: what good would that do?

08:45:31 herbijudlestoids: nothing, but it foils bingos attempts to have it worth more than doge

08:45:32 herbijudlestoids: hehe

08:46:07 Vexual: arent you hding atc?

08:46:50 herbijudlestoids: iam, but they dont hold any implicit value to me and it doesnt cost more than 0.00000001 ATC to ping a bid and set the last price ;)

08:47:10 herbijudlestoids: Vexual: if he wouldnt let me narrow the spread then i had to convince him to narrow it lol

08:47:24 Vexual: yeah this coin is unique

08:48:09 KRS-One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob9Ak1t09Ao#t=115

08:48:09 ozbot: Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube

08:48:22 herbijudlestoids: i got the ASICs from a friend who didnt want them anymore, i was using them to mine a small amount of BTC a while ago but then the USB hub died and were just sitting around on my desk until ATC

08:49:29 herbijudlestoids: just a bit of fun, i originally wanted to get some and sell them on -otc to establish WoT, but nobody wanted to buy the small amount i initially had and someone (i think benkay) mentioned sturles to me anyway as someone who helps newbies to get rated on WoT...so not really necessary for much anymore

08:55:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.09779999 = 0.489 BTC [+]

08:58:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00087013 = 14.8792 BTC [-]

09:01:19 Vexual: herbijudlestoids: how doeth rounding on samll amounts work?

09:02:02 herbijudlestoids: Vexual: not too sure

09:02:15 Vexual: werent you buying microcents?

09:02:33 Vexual: do you have a notebook?

09:02:35 herbijudlestoids: selling

09:02:52 herbijudlestoids: pinging bid = sell 0.0000001 ATC into the highest bid

09:03:06 Vexual: did you get any btc?

09:03:08 herbijudlestoids: what are you specifically asking?

09:03:23 herbijudlestoids: yea some tiny amount, about 2000 satoshi worth

09:03:34 herbijudlestoids: but bingo hit all of my bids when i put them in

09:06:01 Vexual: well i just bought 200 at around pankkake's ask, so im good with that

09:08:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14987 @ 0.00087514 = 13.1157 BTC [+] {2}

09:09:50 Vexual: 300?

09:11:10 Vexual: see what happens tommorrow, ciao valentineses

09:16:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27347 @ 0.00087555 = 23.9437 BTC [+] {2}

09:26:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00087569 = 19.7906 BTC [+] {2}

09:30:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00293135 = 0.126 BTC [+] {3}

09:30:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91100 @ 0.00087658 = 79.8564 BTC [+] {5}

09:51:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.09 = 0.9 BTC [-] {2}

09:58:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39388 @ 0.00087663 = 34.5287 BTC [+] {3}

10:24:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 489 @ 0.0029 = 1.4181 BTC [-] {2}

10:25:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0729999 = 0.146 BTC [+]

10:27:04 herbijudlestoids: hullo BingoBoingo

10:28:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

10:33:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08500003 = 0.34 BTC [-]

10:37:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 585 @ 0.00024529 = 0.1435 BTC [-] {4}

10:46:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 89 @ 0.07930345 = 7.058 BTC [-] {9}

10:52:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.05809769 = 11.6195 BTC [-] {11}

11:01:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06999996 = 0.42 BTC [+] {3}

11:12:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06001922 = 0.7802 BTC [-] {3}

11:13:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06 = 0.6 BTC [-]

11:24:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00087317 = 23.3573 BTC [-] {2}

11:55:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.06999325 = 2.5198 BTC [+] {5}

11:58:31 kakobrekla: yes herbijudlestoids

12:00:11 kakobrekla: http://youtu.be/ob9Ak1t09Ao?t=1m50s

12:00:11 ozbot: Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube

12:06:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5394 BTC [+]

12:31:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.0008709 = 13.0635 BTC [-]

12:35:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00025996 = 2.5996 BTC [+] {5}

12:36:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2959 @ 0.00025999 = 0.7693 BTC [+] {4}

12:38:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.08478997 = 1.3566 BTC [-] {2}

12:39:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08478998 = 4.2395 BTC [+]

12:40:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08478998 = 0.3392 BTC [+]

12:47:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.0042976 = 0.1719 BTC [+]

12:47:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1010 @ 0.00025991 = 0.2625 BTC [-] {2}

12:52:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025999 = 0.26 BTC [+]

12:54:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08479499 = 0.3392 BTC [+] {2}

12:54:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.0818 = 0.1636 BTC [+]

12:54:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC

12:55:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0848 = 0.1696 BTC [+]

12:56:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.0818 = 0.4908 BTC [+]

13:02:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0845 = 0.507 BTC [-]

13:03:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00086947 = 10.9553 BTC [-]

13:08:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.0008693 = 15.517 BTC [-]

13:22:36 Apocalyptic: <sturles> Eh, no. Very few people expect that. The smartest investors ar buying BTC on MtGox now.

13:22:39 Apocalyptic: derp of the day

13:23:47 jurov: he meant it seriously?

13:23:55 dexX7: you think that's not smart?

13:24:24 punkman1: if you can't take withdraw fiat, what else you gonna do

13:24:33 punkman1: buy the cheap btc and hope mtgox gives you some

13:25:17 Apocalyptic: yes jurov

13:34:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2909 @ 0.00024438 = 0.7109 BTC [-] {3}

13:40:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12210003 = 0.4884 BTC [-]

13:41:14 ThickAsThieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ob9Ak1t09Ao#t=40

13:41:14 ozbot: Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube

13:41:49 herbijudlestoids: revolution in venezuela, ukraine, turkey, thailand

13:41:53 herbijudlestoids: and we talkin gox :P

13:43:11 ThickAsThieves: Karpeles confrontation at 2m

13:43:44 ThickAsThieves: cant fukn understand him tho

13:44:00 ThickAsThieves: with his south afrifrenchican accent

13:44:41 ThickAsThieves: dude seems starstruck

13:44:57 herbijudlestoids: walkies

13:45:00 herbijudlestoids: bbl

13:59:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123899 BTC [+]

14:00:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC {2}

14:01:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1239 = 0.2478 BTC [+]

14:02:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12405571 = 0.8684 BTC [+] {2}

14:03:02 jurov: starstruck lmao

14:03:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1241 BTC [+]

14:05:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

14:05:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086978 = 11.0462 BTC [+] {2}

14:07:31 ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla, idea for BitBet: in the Resolved column, make it so the winning side is colorized and/or have the winning answer displayed in the center of the bar

14:09:31 pankkake: the block reward check in bitcoin allows you to have blocks with lower rewards. maybe someone mined with another coingen altcoin that had compatible parameters

14:09:51 ThickAsThieves: it was sorted later in the log p

14:09:55 pankkake: oh

14:10:08 ThickAsThieves: twas cux a lukejr pool app

14:10:14 ThickAsThieves: cuz*

14:10:23 ThickAsThieves: herb is gonna fix it

14:10:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.0008693 = 14.3 BTC [-]

14:11:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4765 @ 0.000869 = 4.1408 BTC [-] {2}

14:20:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21920 @ 0.00086992 = 19.0686 BTC [+]

14:21:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27762 @ 0.00087212 = 24.2118 BTC [+]

14:29:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37201 @ 0.00087383 = 32.5073 BTC [+] {2}

14:35:20 Apocalyptic: http://i.imgur.com/k8dzmD8.png

14:41:41 ThickAsThieves: Apocalyptic, is x-bt open for business? The site looks nice but I see no orders.

14:42:08 Apocalyptic: it is,

14:42:19 Apocalyptic: people seem to use it more as a wallet than an exchange though

14:43:11 ThickAsThieves: how will you ever compete with OpenEx?!

14:43:58 Apocalyptic: we're not on the same markets, i don't plan to include every new alt

14:44:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0835 = 0.501 BTC [-]

14:44:12 jurov: x-bt needs to implement similar order matching :DDD

14:44:24 Apocalyptic: heh

14:48:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08399997 = 0.252 BTC [+] {2}

14:55:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 922 @ 0.00023038 = 0.2124 BTC [-] {4}

14:56:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07227 = 0.1445 BTC [+]

15:07:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0055 = 2.75 BTC

15:26:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.000869 = 5.4313 BTC [-]

15:27:03 boolcrap: whats an assbot

15:31:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5394 BTC [+]

15:32:11 asciilifeform: boolcrap: tickers.

15:33:00 mircea_popescu: boolcrap it's a bot. it does various useful things like

15:33:05 mircea_popescu: !t m x.eur

15:33:05 assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00197733 / 0.00197826 / 0.00198459 (1550 shares, 3.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00175376 / 0.0019975 (21050 shares, 36.92 BTC)

15:33:22 asciilifeform: and this.... 'amazing'

15:33:22 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

15:35:34 kakobrekla: !h boolcrap

15:35:34 assbot: List of commands:

15:35:35 assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}

15:35:36 assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}

15:35:37 assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)

15:35:38 assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}

15:35:39 assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}

15:35:40 assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)

15:35:41 assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}

15:35:42 assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}

15:35:43 kakobrekla: hm

15:35:46 kakobrekla: tjos os mpt tje way ot should be

15:35:57 kakobrekla: whatever

15:35:59 mircea_popescu: lol

15:36:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'everything new is carefully forgotten old' - http://www.flickr.com/photos/nnsanews/8726748024/in/photostream/

15:37:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol

15:37:34 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but srsly, bet closed on 14th, guy agitates about not being paid on 14th ?

15:37:39 mircea_popescu: it's not even been a day ><

15:37:50 pankkake: !rules

15:38:04 kakobrekla: ah right

15:38:08 kakobrekla: i missed that part

15:38:18 herbijudlestoids: hullo guys

15:38:26 herbijudlestoids: just about bedtime here

15:38:38 mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, people need their 18 bitcents or w/e to go invest it and double it or w/e it is they do, but still.

15:38:44 kakobrekla: sry mp, thought it was 5 days.

15:38:48 mircea_popescu: "aveti putintica rabdare" as teh phrase goes.

15:38:50 mircea_popescu: np np

15:38:51 jborkl: the option bid/ask is offline right now MP?

15:39:16 mircea_popescu: jborkl bot must have failed to get a quote

15:39:45 Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu Feature request for bash.bitcoin-assets.com: A link to the part in the relevant part at log.bitcoin-assets.com so that context is easier to find.

15:40:10 mircea_popescu: this is actually not a bad idea. kakobrekla would it be hard for !b to also pass the link to the first line ?

15:40:19 jborkl: ah ok, where is the bot getting vwap from now? I can't remember

15:40:29 mircea_popescu: bitcoincharts, as before.

15:40:34 jborkl: ok thanks

15:40:35 mircea_popescu: i've never changed that

15:40:48 herbijudlestoids: i been thinking tonight, i might have to force myself to not come in here for a while. in a week or so big things coming and i need to make sure all my focus on it. this place is just too distracting :P ...hopefully when i come back ill be rich.

15:40:50 kakobrekla: i approve of the idea.

15:41:24 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/#comment-98083 << this is such lulz.

15:41:28 herbijudlestoids: aside from reading bash and fraudsters, any advice for someone who has to take a gap?

15:41:32 boolcrap: i see

15:41:35 mircea_popescu: "mp, you must do what we say or else we'll hurt ourselves! care!"

15:41:42 ozbot: MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history - the straight dope. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:41:47 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids get laid.

15:41:51 herbijudlestoids: haha

15:41:57 herbijudlestoids: -assets related advice

15:42:22 mircea_popescu: dun worry too much, as exciting as it may seem and as fleeting it may appear for that reason, bitcoin will still be here in a decade, and so will this chan.

15:42:31 mircea_popescu: you'll just be older and decrepit-er and senile-er

15:42:32 mircea_popescu: aka richer.

15:42:42 boolcrap: your saying that humanity will survive another 10 years?

15:42:54 kakobrekla: YOU A RE HUMAN!?!

15:43:09 boolcrap: im pretty sure we are on the verge of blowing all of ourselves up

15:43:33 mircea_popescu: boolcrap just the girls.

15:43:41 boolcrap: hrm

15:43:45 boolcrap: they would become asexual?

15:43:50 chetty: we been there for 50 years, nothing to see there

15:43:52 herbijudlestoids: ok thx.

15:44:00 asciilifeform: 'we shall all bake together when we bake...'

15:44:12 boolcrap: lawl.

15:44:24 herbijudlestoids: i might try to pop in occasionally for a rematch against bingoboingo

15:44:32 herbijudlestoids: behave yourselves :)

15:44:48 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids : "go! go to your fancy fire!"

15:45:14 mircea_popescu: ;;google blow tumbler

15:45:15 gribble: blow on Tumblr: http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/blow; beyonce blow on Tumblr: http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/beyonce-blow; Blown glass Tumbler - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34VEuiPenqs

15:45:47 mircea_popescu: google seems stuck in safe mode

15:46:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07150094 = 0.286 BTC [-] {3}

15:48:14 boolcrap: assbot

15:48:15 boolcrap: show me some ass

15:48:19 boolcrap: !ass

15:48:24 boolcrap: !hotass

15:48:26 asciilifeform: .bait

15:48:27 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m65bz28JCw1rwvn7bo1_500.jpg

15:48:33 boolcrap: there we go

15:48:37 boolcrap: !hotamericanjailbaitass

15:57:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00086971 = 15.4808 BTC [+] {3}

16:08:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1232 BTC [-]

16:11:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1800 @ 0.00023999 = 0.432 BTC [-] {3}

16:11:42 ThickAsThieves: bitstamp open for withdrawals again

16:13:23 ThickAsThieves: http://www.technologyreview.com/graphiti/524796/show-me-the-bitcoins/

16:13:23 assbot: 123!

16:13:24 ozbot: Charting Bitcoin's Unsteady Rise | MIT Technology Review

16:14:50 ThickAsThieves: minimally interesting...

16:15:09 ThickAsThieves: "New bitcoins are now far more likely to be spent than hoarded"

16:15:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08399997 = 0.252 BTC [+]

16:16:11 mike_c: and by "spent" they mean.. moved?

16:16:37 mike_c: so when mining pools distribute shares the coins are "spent" i guess?

16:16:39 deadweasel: they don't know what they mean.

16:16:50 deadweasel: spendthrift miners!

16:17:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08399997 = 0.168 BTC [+]

16:18:37 ThickAsThieves: yeah the graphic is kinda useless

16:18:43 ThickAsThieves: sorry MIT

16:24:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

16:29:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

16:33:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07900001 = 0.553 BTC [-] {2}

16:34:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.07300003 = 3.577 BTC [-] {8}

16:35:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]

16:36:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00086953 = 10.8256 BTC [-]

16:36:17 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> "New bitcoins are now far more likely to be spent than hoarded" << on the basis of what ?

16:37:59 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.new#new this should be lulzy.

16:38:00 ozbot: Calling out CasinoBitco.in

16:38:17 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^

16:42:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.066 = 0.66 BTC [-] {2}

16:43:05 pankkake: I wouldn't reduce bitbet to gambling

16:43:43 mircea_popescu: this is a point.

16:44:45 pankkake: and I think CBTC is the least worst havelock security :) (I sold mine as soon as I could make a profit, because fuck havelock, but anyways)

16:45:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

16:45:18 mircea_popescu: yes, which is why the mention.

16:45:29 mircea_popescu: wtf must you be thinking, to simply make false statements for absolutely no reason.

16:45:33 mircea_popescu: pretty disappointing.

16:45:59 pankkake: "the first Bitcoin-only gaming establishment to offer unique, provably-fair games" is true if you account for "unique"

16:46:08 pankkake: everything's unique in some way

16:46:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00086897 = 38.2347 BTC [-] {2}

16:46:12 mircea_popescu: not really.

16:46:31 mircea_popescu: i get that this has of late become fashionable, but it's not actually true.

16:46:40 mircea_popescu: every apple is not unique. it's just an apple.

16:47:43 mircea_popescu: more abstractly : for things to be unique it's not enough for them to be different, it's also required for that difference to be meaningful in some sort of actual system. it's not enough that a system may exist in which the difference may be meaningful. it has to be actually meaningful in an actual system.

16:47:47 mircea_popescu: and one's mother is not a system.

16:47:49 deadweasel: Hey, they launched a poll to confirm their beliefs about their upcoming growth spurt... what other evidence do you need?

16:48:05 deadweasel: A poll, in the forums....

16:48:22 mircea_popescu: deadweasel maybe they can laungh a poll so that 2013 comes before 2011 in their personal history.

16:48:42 deadweasel: since they're trading below IP, it would make them look profitable!

16:48:47 deadweasel: IPO*

16:48:49 mircea_popescu: s/laungh/launch. apparently laugh got impacted in there

16:50:00 deadweasel: glad you took them to task. that is a very scammy venture judging by their post.

16:50:21 mircea_popescu: i'm with pankkake, they actually are one of the less scammy things on havelock.

16:50:32 mircea_popescu: they only took their investors down 30% or so, so far.

16:50:41 deadweasel: i've stopped looking at anything on havelock, because if it's on havelock....

16:50:46 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma6breRS0v1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

16:50:50 mircea_popescu: this is the worst fucking idea ever.

16:50:59 mircea_popescu: any chick with nice tits has serious problems running topless.

16:51:06 mircea_popescu: they should have let them wear bras and nothing else.

16:51:06 pankkake: they're over the IPOs price now I think

16:51:23 mircea_popescu: pankkake yeah, because they want to sell more treasury stock.

16:51:28 pankkake: they made 3 IPOs, each newer IPO… cheaper

16:51:37 deadweasel: hahaha

16:51:39 mircea_popescu: derp.

16:52:14 pankkake: and the first one was sold out very quick, it traded much higher for a short time, like the older havelock IPOs

16:52:34 pankkake: so that whole thing was badly done

16:52:57 deadweasel: were they IPOd before havelock changed ownership?

16:53:06 pankkake: yes

16:53:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.066 = 0.33 BTC [-]

16:53:58 jborkl: topace doesnt own havelock anymore?

16:54:59 mircea_popescu: they did some dubious shuffling of assets

16:55:14 mircea_popescu: it's clearly a fraudulent construct and will be pierced by any court, but hey.

16:56:05 pankkake: seems to be a bit stronger than the others

16:56:07 jborkl: oh huh, what did they inc in another country and transfer type of deal?

16:56:08 topace: correct i am no longer a majority stakeholder in havelock (the exchange)

16:56:12 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg5112237#msg5112237 if you want lulz

16:56:13 ozbot: [ActiveMining] Shareholder Discussion Thread {moderated TROLL FREE}

16:57:16 mircea_popescu: jborkl i don't even remember which bahamas it supposedly was.

16:58:02 jborkl: ok, yeah I missed that completely.

16:58:09 mircea_popescu: pankkake that'll be interesting. i guess the results are only predictable to like five people or some shit.

16:58:52 mircea_popescu: "We are being blocked, even in a startup the owners can move their ownership to another investor, we can't even do that."

16:58:54 mircea_popescu: derp.

16:59:02 mircea_popescu: why the fuck are all these people without a clue involved in stuff.

16:59:14 jborkl: I thought Activemining was resolved as a fat guy in the trunk of a 67 skylark 6 months ago

16:59:20 mircea_popescu: it was.

16:59:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.60766948 BTC to 1`676 shares, 95923 satoshi per share

16:59:28 jborkl: ok, just making sure

16:59:28 mircea_popescu: nothing ever goes away on the forum.

16:59:34 mircea_popescu: even the gbbg dood is still there.

16:59:58 mircea_popescu: heck, goat is still there, rpietilla is still there, one of these days the pirate character is gonna start posting again.

17:00:09 benkay: some of the goat's posts ocassionally get 'edited'

17:01:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0055 = 0.22 BTC

17:01:38 Jere_Jones: Favorite mp quote so far: "There’s however no intelligence required to be an asshole."

17:01:45 mircea_popescu: i said that ?!

17:01:50 jborkl: I noticed almost 0 of the advertising slots have been filled for about a month, I read about vaporware every few days

17:01:51 Jere_Jones: http://fraudsters.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/

17:01:52 ozbot: Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptib

17:02:08 Jere_Jones: Right before "Meanwhile, quoth Business Insider :"

17:02:10 mircea_popescu: lol ozzie is too short for my titulature needs.

17:02:27 mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones wonderful thing technology, i'd have forgotten 80% of my good ideas without it.

17:07:34 Asa9: sir - I wish you were around when I was a teen. I would have had my shit together way before now.

17:07:59 Asa9: you should call yourself the Oracle something

17:08:30 Asa9: just wanted to add that after reading your site for awhile now

17:08:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [+]

17:09:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.02467648 = 0.6169 BTC [-] {8}

17:10:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.00023897 = 0.1195 BTC [-]

17:12:35 mircea_popescu: i shall call myself mp!

17:12:38 deadweasel: 'his discourse is about on par with what you’d expect out of the Ohio representative in the Miss America competition.' >> ahahahahha

17:13:06 Jere_Jones: And... I'm out of fraudsters credits. I guess I should get some work done.

17:13:15 mircea_popescu: back to the mines.

17:13:18 deadweasel: dogecoin, because kids are starving in africa,

17:13:57 mircea_popescu: incidentally, this brings forth an interesting point :

17:14:13 mircea_popescu: people love to think that fraudsters credits system is there cause im greedy, but it may just as well be the case

17:14:26 mircea_popescu: they're there to force people to also do some work in a day. at the very least to pay for the credits.

17:14:35 mircea_popescu: fight the tendency to spend 100% of one's life in the sinagogue

17:14:47 deadweasel: or have rotating vpn..

17:14:56 mircea_popescu: still needs to be paid for

17:15:08 deadweasel: i pay for it by reading it ;)

17:15:16 mircea_popescu: lol

17:15:17 deadweasel: my brain will never be the same

17:15:45 mircea_popescu: no but this is in reference to an amply discussed 19th century problem, where jewish kids didn't really want to do anything but learn

17:15:50 mircea_popescu: cause it was more stimulating

17:15:57 mircea_popescu: and well... you can't have a society of nothing but that.

17:16:36 deadweasel: we're certainly trying over here, only we've managed to learn in a poorly to not-at-all fashion. and we're great at it.

17:16:50 mircea_popescu: yeah i guess that's progress.

17:17:34 mod6: FORWARD SOVIET

17:17:55 Jere_Jones: Eh. No worries. fraudsters credits are cheap. Surprisingly so.

17:18:11 mircea_popescu: mod6 it is, you know ? i mean people who haven't lived this side of the iron curtain can't really get the depth of it, it;s not the same to be told about it or to see it with your own eyes

17:18:14 mircea_popescu: but it is fucking soviet.

17:18:40 mircea_popescu: fractally so. in excruciatingly shocking detail.

17:18:45 asciilifeform: sad part is, these folks are about to get a Free! Amazing! excursion there. no time machine needed.

17:19:35 mircea_popescu: all sorts of obscure nonsensical shit you sincerely thought are an artefact of the time and place,

17:19:43 mircea_popescu: a resut of the stupidity of one particular race,

17:19:43 asciilifeform: the new, 'streamlined', 'modern' ussr. all butugichag, no kurchatov.

17:19:47 mircea_popescu: anything you wish. nope... was not.

17:20:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform then what's ann arbor ?

17:20:58 asciilifeform: it'll be in anchorage or something

17:22:05 asciilifeform: the americans seem eager to move into the mythical ussr they themselves painted.

17:22:22 asciilifeform: where 'honey don't forget to refuel the reactor, milk the bear, and turn us in to the kgb.'

17:22:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the joke with the little girl and the icecream ?

17:22:36 asciilifeform: yes

17:22:39 asciilifeform: everyone knows it

17:22:44 mircea_popescu: fucking hell.

17:22:54 mircea_popescu: you know, i like the americans better. at least to them i can tell jokes :D

17:22:58 asciilifeform: anyone here doesn't know it?

17:23:07 Asa9: i don't

17:23:08 Asa9: :(

17:23:12 mircea_popescu: mwahaha.

17:23:20 deadweasel: plunder our laughs

17:23:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you say it

17:24:52 mod6: it has been quite the transformation over the last 30 years. WE WILL HAVE PROGRESS, FROM HOPE, TAXATION OF THE WEALTHY AND UNICORN FARTS! WE WILL SHOW THE WORLD HOW EXCEPTIONAL WE ARE!

17:24:57 boolcrap: tell me this joke i have not heard it

17:25:03 mod6: *cough*

17:25:28 asciilifeform: mp, i liked your telling. let's have it

17:25:36 mircea_popescu: i told it before ?

17:25:45 mircea_popescu: jesus i'm already an old man, check me out.

17:25:45 asciilifeform: at some point

17:26:49 mircea_popescu: ok, so school in soviet russia

17:27:17 mircea_popescu: a guy in the required sunglasses joins the 4th grade to help with their political educaiton

17:27:52 mircea_popescu: tells the kiddos all about the horrible imperialist barbaric lands outside of The Country, and how children there are kept naked and starving and forced to labour in huge child labour camps

17:28:07 mircea_popescu: whereas for comparison the kids in the soviet union are free and happy and even get icecream!

17:28:23 mircea_popescu: little girl in last row starts crying her pioneer shirt off

17:28:28 mircea_popescu: "what's the matter little girl ?"

17:28:33 mircea_popescu: "i want to go to the soviet union!!!"

17:28:42 Asa9: lol

17:28:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08167999 = 0.8168 BTC [+] {4}

17:28:59 boolcrap: heh

17:29:05 mod6: *grin*

17:29:09 boolcrap: i have a joke

17:29:14 mircea_popescu: shoot

17:29:25 boolcrap: its my only joke ever.

17:29:27 boolcrap: ok so

17:29:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what were schoolkids' paramilitary thing called in the ussr ? i forget.

17:29:51 boolcrap: a rabbi a priest and little boy are sitting at a table, the little boy is kind of bent over the table getting something

17:29:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.0818 = 0.1636 BTC [+]

17:30:04 boolcrap: so the priest turns to the rabbi and says " boy id love to screw that little boy"

17:30:08 boolcrap: and the rabbi says " out of what?"

17:30:16 mircea_popescu: lol

17:30:17 Jere_Jones: lol

17:30:18 mod6: haha

17:30:25 jborkl: heh very good

17:30:53 Asa9: I went to the shrink once. He diagnosed me as being Stoic. I cried.

17:30:53 Jere_Jones: Anyone heard the "Theory vs Reality" joke? It's the only one I have that routinely gets geniuine laughs.

17:31:04 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/_sxTbfeYdO0 anyway

17:31:04 ozbot: Hymn of the USSR - Red Army Choir (English Sub.) - YouTube

17:31:13 mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones "two whores" ?

17:31:19 Jere_Jones: Yeah

17:31:43 Jere_Jones: A life lesson and a joke in one.

17:31:45 mircea_popescu: there's this romanian joke whereby the insane in one asylum loved jokes, and knew them so well that people'd just say the index # and everyone laughed.

17:32:16 Jere_Jones: That joke is romanian?

17:32:45 mircea_popescu: so the romanians say.

17:32:52 Jere_Jones: lol

17:32:53 mircea_popescu: im sure it's persian or something

17:33:46 boolcrap: popescu do you like romanian gymnasts ?

17:33:57 mircea_popescu: sure, why not.

17:34:37 boolcrap: i have nothing further to contribute to this.

17:34:45 boolcrap: hey i hear the internet is amazing in romania.

17:34:45 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

17:34:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00087104 = 21.7324 BTC [+] {2}

17:35:08 mircea_popescu: it is actually. top 5 in teh world or something.

17:35:20 pankkake: really?

17:35:30 mircea_popescu: yeah.

17:35:37 boolcrap: popescu are you like, the only honest man in romania?

17:35:38 pankkake: for some reasons romania is banned as a whole in many private torrent trackers

17:35:45 pankkake: so I supposed it was shitty

17:35:58 mod6: lol, someone should spoof that USSR Hymn, change the words to USSA and obummer & co.

17:36:21 mircea_popescu: pankkake nah, it's definitely the best in the eu.

17:36:28 mircea_popescu: boolcrap nah.

17:36:42 pankkake: if you don't account for scandinavia maybe

17:37:05 mircea_popescu: http://www.bloomberg.com/slideshow/6/2013-01-23/top-10-countries-with-the-fastest-internet.html

17:37:06 ozbot: Top 10: Where to Find the World's Fastest Internet: 5. Romania - Bloomberg

17:37:11 boolcrap: dam

17:37:11 jborkl: pankkake, MP can answer this- but I seem to remember Romania had a bad rap for spam email servers awhile back so it is assumed

17:37:12 mircea_popescu: yes, if you account for it.

17:37:17 boolcrap: what kind of line do u have at your house in romania?

17:38:06 mircea_popescu: http://www.upc.ro/

17:38:15 mircea_popescu: that's the provider. 150mbps for like 30 bux or w/e

17:38:31 boolcrap: dam

17:38:33 boolcrap: sounds amazing

17:38:33 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

17:38:33 mircea_popescu: o wait, 9 bux

17:38:39 mircea_popescu: apparently they slashed it

17:38:39 pankkake: :o

17:38:42 boolcrap: what about

17:38:44 boolcrap: in the country side

17:38:47 boolcrap: what kind of internet do they have?

17:38:51 mircea_popescu: this is the country side.

17:38:55 boolcrap: heh

17:38:56 boolcrap: so

17:39:02 mircea_popescu: europe, and especially romania, has been continuously inhabited for 2k years.

17:39:11 mircea_popescu: there is no "countryside" in the arizona sense of the term

17:39:14 deadweasel: 9 bucks! i am in prison...

17:39:19 mircea_popescu: deadweasel told ya.

17:39:23 boolcrap: theres no places where there isnt fiber run?

17:39:31 mod6: i used to live in the az countryside :)

17:39:38 mircea_popescu: boolcrap there are, but you'd have to go there FOR THAT purpose.

17:39:43 boolcrap: o

17:40:29 mircea_popescu: anyway, getting gbps connections isn't either hard or expensive.

17:41:02 boolcrap: dam i just moved to the country

17:41:09 boolcrap: bad internet

17:41:13 boolcrap: back to 1997 speeds.

17:41:41 mod6: ahh, waiting for boobs, one line of pixels at a time 'eh

17:41:47 mircea_popescu: lmao

17:41:48 pankkake: I pay 50€ for 100M down / 5M up. and most people don't even have access to that

17:42:18 mircea_popescu: pankkake told ya.

17:42:22 boolcrap: im getting about 56k down

17:42:27 mircea_popescu: ><

17:42:28 boolcrap: :)

17:42:38 boolcrap: how do i jerk off, no one knows

17:42:44 boolcrap: nothing worse than waiting for some hot porn to load

17:42:45 mod6: slowly

17:43:02 mircea_popescu: boolcrap so get a woman.

17:43:08 boolcrap: well

17:43:12 boolcrap: in my country i dont have a stable of women

17:43:13 boolcrap: like u do

17:43:16 mircea_popescu: builds character anyway. you'll get trained against doing i too early.

17:43:29 mircea_popescu: pankkake incidentally, banning romania in a torrent tracker is pretrty much idiotic.

17:43:38 mircea_popescu: i would guess 50% of all material in the eu is in romania.

17:43:39 pankkake: most French internet is 20M down/1M up for 30€ (DSL) - some lucky people have real FTTH though, with symetric bandwith

17:44:09 pankkake: conversely, there are many romanian trackers

17:44:13 mircea_popescu: pankkake obviously you can have anything custom installed. the discussion is more about you know, entry level or average or w/e

17:44:44 pankkake: either it was because some ISPs were altering the traffic (happens in Israel), or there were too many cheaters (romanians, after all)

17:45:23 pankkake: well French FTTH is about 30€ too. just way too few places where it is installed

17:45:36 pankkake: and it seems most of the hurdle is bureaucracy

17:45:40 pankkake: the lines are built

17:45:42 mircea_popescu: of course.

17:46:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51941 BTC [-]

17:46:09 mircea_popescu: pankkake what'd a cheater do to a torrent ?!

17:46:10 pankkake: my coproperty said yes to an ISP… 3 years ago

17:46:29 pankkake: private trackers rely on the clients to tell how much they upload and download

17:46:34 pankkake: but you can totally lie

17:46:58 pankkake: of course, unless everyone lies, you can figure out who did lie

17:47:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51446666 = 1.5434 BTC [-] {2}

17:47:10 mircea_popescu: but why do you care if they lie or not /

17:47:32 pankkake: each user has upload/download stats

17:47:43 pankkake: and you have to maintain a good ratio of those

17:48:15 jborkl: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/05/fios-customer-discovers-the-limits-of-unlimited-data-77-tb-in-month/

17:48:15 ozbot: FiOS customer discovers the limits of “unlimited” data: 77TB a month | Ars Technica

17:48:17 pankkake: the goal is to encourage sharing

17:48:36 mircea_popescu: this sounds to me like french bureaucracy

17:48:40 pankkake: haha

17:48:43 mircea_popescu: just let people do whatever the fuck it is they please to do.

17:49:04 pankkake: well, the end result is a lot of content and a lot of speed

17:49:23 mircea_popescu: seeing how there's no comparison point, all soviet bureaucracies claim a lot of speed and content

17:49:29 mircea_popescu: north korea is at this very moment saying the same

17:49:40 punkman1: the goal is usually to get people to pay for download credits, since they can't actually upload anything

17:49:45 mircea_popescu: derp.

17:49:46 punkman1: because too many people uploading

17:49:48 pankkake: the real issue of private trackers is… CENTRALIZATION!!

17:49:59 mircea_popescu: so the goal is to try and recreate riia out of material stolen from the riia

17:50:31 pankkake: the best trackers - as in best content and spee- usually don't do that

17:50:37 mircea_popescu: obviously.

17:50:51 mircea_popescu: and the better ones actually don't block romania, on the grounds of you know, being in romania in the first place.

17:51:45 pankkake: http://i.imgur.com/NmI9aDK.png

17:52:37 mircea_popescu: kinda meaningless to me but hey.

17:52:38 pankkake: I wanted to compare the different reward/"economic" systems but never got to it

17:52:39 punkman1: pankkake: how can that small amount of leechers support those seeders?

17:52:51 mircea_popescu: lol!

17:52:52 pankkake: what do you mean?

17:53:11 punkman1: seeders need leechers to get download credit, not enough leechers for everyone

17:53:23 punkman1: yeah it's a bit twisted this logic

17:53:49 pankkake: the thing is, most of your torrents stay idle, but you then can seed a LOT of things

17:53:57 mircea_popescu: http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/08/wikipedia-kills-page-linking-obama-slogan-to-socialist-movement/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

17:53:58 pankkake: I have about 6000 albums seeding on that tracker alone

17:54:09 mircea_popescu: wikipedia deletes page because people who didn't like obama used it as an example.

17:54:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1291 @ 0.000225 = 0.2905 BTC [-] {2}

17:54:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07699985 = 0.231 BTC [+]

17:54:19 pankkake: and maybe 5 at a time max with downloaders. so it's manageable

17:54:51 pankkake: wikipedians love to delete pages

17:54:58 mircea_popescu: only some of them.

17:55:10 mircea_popescu: they don't delete the retarded pages about nonsense like bullying

17:55:27 mircea_popescu: they do delete pages that dare notice that indeed forward is shorthand for stupid.

17:58:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3609 @ 0.000225 = 0.812 BTC [-]

18:13:24 deadweasel: i leech plenty

18:13:33 deadweasel: limit my up to 10kb

18:13:36 deadweasel: :)

18:19:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07629999 = 0.1526 BTC [-]

18:20:26 Duffer1: hola

18:22:13 mircea_popescu: hey

18:24:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06647788 = 2.6591 BTC [-] {9}

18:25:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06470221 = 1.1646 BTC [-] {3}

18:27:34 Asa9: mp - Im doing some housework and Im hummiing along with the hymn of the soviet union. Thanks a lot!

18:27:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28551 @ 0.0008708 = 24.8622 BTC [-] {3}

18:27:53 asciilifeform: soyuz nerushymyj,...

18:31:01 mircea_popescu: lol

18:32:20 mircea_popescu: bessmertnykh idej kommunizma!

18:32:32 asciilifeform: haha

18:32:52 asciilifeform: lenin velikij nam put' ozaril...

18:33:22 mircea_popescu: nono the best part about lenin (in romanian at least) is Partiia Lenina!!!!

18:33:37 mircea_popescu: because in romanian, feminine is derogatory, and party and lenin are both masculine.

18:33:49 mircea_popescu: so it's like... partidette leninette a la smurfette.

18:33:57 asciilifeform: ahaa

18:34:45 mircea_popescu: people tended to lol at that part.

18:35:14 asciilifeform: 'only the laziest won't kick a dead lion' (rus)

18:35:51 mircea_popescu: i guess hipsters don't either, nor rabis.

18:45:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 491 @ 0.000225 = 0.1105 BTC [-] {2}

18:46:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1584 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3455 BTC [-] {2}

18:47:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4509 @ 0.0002181 = 0.9834 BTC [-] {6}

18:48:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00087063 = 24.1165 BTC [-] {3}

18:50:00 kakobrekla: o pankkake whatcd :)

18:55:02 pankkake: which has been ddosed for weeks :( decentralize it!

18:57:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00087253 = 8.3763 BTC [+] {2}

18:57:26 kakobrekla: i barely use it anymore

18:59:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1739 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3793 BTC [+]

19:00:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1789 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3902 BTC [+]

19:14:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06410011 = 1.282 BTC [-]

19:15:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0729 = 0.2916 BTC [-] {2}

19:15:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210004 = 0.3663 BTC [-] {2}

19:17:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.06173911 = 2.5313 BTC [-] {7}

19:18:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]

19:19:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78800 @ 0.00087387 = 68.861 BTC [+] {4}

19:20:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12489 BTC [+]

19:21:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.07335355 = 1.0269 BTC [+] {6}

19:31:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210005 BTC [-]

19:34:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.19376446 = 1.1626 BTC [+] {2}

19:38:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11739 @ 0.00086772 = 10.1862 BTC [-] {2}

19:40:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1611 @ 0.00086657 = 1.396 BTC [-]

19:42:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8087 @ 0.00087448 = 7.0719 BTC [+]

19:43:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27063 @ 0.00087468 = 23.6715 BTC [+]

19:55:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.0008725 = 11.2553 BTC [-]

20:00:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0729999 = 0.219 BTC [+]

20:01:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.07393176 = 1.2568 BTC [+] {2}

20:04:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4500 @ 0.00021806 = 0.9813 BTC [-] {7}

20:05:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0725 = 0.145 BTC [-] {2}

20:05:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210004 = 0.2442 BTC [-] {2}

20:05:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] {2}

20:05:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899997 = 0.414 BTC [-]

20:06:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06899997 = 0.552 BTC [-] {2}

20:16:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00515454 = 0.3299 BTC [+] {6}

20:34:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00500738 = 0.7511 BTC [-] {4}

20:40:59 pankkake: easy MPOE-PR opportunity: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5134983#msg5134983

20:41:44 mod6: oh wow.

20:43:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00022675 = 0.4535 BTC [+]

20:43:37 mod6: 2FA key was written down on paper as "backup". << 2FA ftw lawl

20:44:32 pankkake: well if the paper was the issue, that's someone he knows

20:44:56 punkman1: "So we turn to you, our valued customers, what features would like us to add to our platform?"

20:45:29 Willdude123: Hello

20:48:01 kakobrekla: hi

20:48:17 kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/vKuwsiA.jpg

20:48:34 punkman1: i lol'd

20:49:11 Willdude123: What was that rather large stock exchange that shut down? Something E

20:49:21 Willdude123: Or did it shut

20:50:00 Willdude123: Are there any good books on investments I can read?

20:50:25 B007: yes

20:51:02 Asa9: the richest man in babylon

20:51:04 Asa9: start there

20:51:07 Asa9: :D

20:51:23 Asa9: there are many pdfs online

20:51:33 kakobrekla: B007's favorite 'Pumpin'n'dumping by Pirrratee Atrobterts'

20:52:11 Willdude123: Is that not a little old?

20:52:33 Asa9: well what do you mean on investments?

20:52:34 kakobrekla: afaik preorders were just ipoed

20:52:53 B007: kakobrekla: oh you

20:53:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210004 BTC [-]

20:53:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

20:53:34 kakobrekla: Willdude123 log.bitcoin-assets.com turned out to be a good book to read up on investments

20:53:50 Willdude123: So just reading what people say here?

20:54:01 kakobrekla: and said.

20:54:45 Willdude123: I don't particularly understand this B.SELL and B.MINE business

20:55:04 kakobrekla: read the contract if there is any

20:55:28 pankkake: it's inspired by https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.0

20:56:03 Willdude123: Somewhat difficult to understand, will continue

20:56:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 457 @ 0.05586238 = 25.5291 BTC [-] {11}

20:57:18 kakobrekla: take the time to understand and self learn yourself

21:02:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00086838 = 26.9198 BTC [-]

21:04:33 Willdude123: kakobrekla, so how can they afford to pay out what a 5 mh/s miner would pay out?

21:04:39 Willdude123: Do they have miners?

21:05:03 Jere_Jones: punkman1 What's wrong with asking customers what they want?

21:05:35 punkman1: Jere_Jones: in this case, read the thread, and see the derps asking Havelock to 2FA HARDER

21:08:39 Willdude123: Well this is remarkably confusing

21:09:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.0008711 = 14.1989 BTC [+]

21:11:28 Willdude123: So it costs ?12000 to register with MPEX. How does anyone make any profit?

21:12:25 bones`: I would think successful trades?

21:14:33 deadweasel: i don't think he accepts £

21:16:04 Willdude123: Well, 30BTC then

21:16:23 Willdude123: Sorry, I've yet to manage thinking in BTC without converting it to my own currency

21:17:25 bones`: Some good introductory reading: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Afraudsters.com+noob

21:18:20 Willdude123: Whut?

21:19:11 Willdude123: The lmgtfy thing didn't really work as one was not expecting to google that

21:19:42 Asa9: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/does-janet-yellen-believe-in-deflation-2014-02-12?link=sfmw_sm

21:19:42 ozbot: Does Janet Yellen believe in deflation? - Brett Arends's ROI - MarketWatch

21:26:37 Willdude123: I think I sort of just about get it now

21:28:37 kakobrekla: Willdude123 http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=18

21:29:03 Willdude123: :)

21:29:12 Willdude123: I semi-understand it

21:29:20 Willdude123: I'm not making a claim to understanding it

21:34:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55489999 BTC [+]

21:34:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0738 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2}

21:34:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210004 = 0.3663 BTC [-]

21:34:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]

21:35:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC

21:37:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55489999 = 1.1098 BTC [+] {2}

21:39:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0738 = 0.369 BTC [+] {3}

21:39:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12210004 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2}

21:40:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+] {2}

21:46:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

21:47:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

21:51:29 punkman1: http://stephenlaw.blogspot.gr/2014/02/how-us-treasury-imposes-sanctions-on-me.html

21:51:29 ozbot: Stephen Law: How the US Treasury imposes sanctions on me and every other "Stephen Law" on the planet

21:52:41 BingoBoingo: Oh, Altcoin now leads Opened in BTC volume

21:54:20 pankkake: 0.3BTC? WOW!

21:59:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.0008725 = 21.5508 BTC [+]

22:02:57 asciilifeform: pankkake: wait - wtf ?

22:02:59 asciilifeform: surely not

22:03:42 pankkake: https://openex.pw/index.php?page=home shows 0.3

22:03:44 ozbot: OpenEx

22:03:44 pankkake: volume of course not price

22:03:52 asciilifeform: aha

22:04:19 asciilifeform: 'Danger! 1,000,000 Ohms.'

22:04:28 asciilifeform: something like that

22:06:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5296 @ 0.0008711 = 4.6133 BTC [-]

22:10:19 Vexual: resistance is futile

22:15:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.0008711 = 8.7981 BTC [-]

22:20:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00021623 = 0.5406 BTC [-] {8}

22:28:23 benkay: induction is irresistable

22:28:41 benkay: punkman1: nowhere on that page is there mention of bitcoin. you should fix that.

22:52:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06399918 = 0.576 BTC [+] {2}

22:53:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06418175 = 0.706 BTC [+] {5}

23:09:43 kakobrekla: bash flushed.

23:15:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0008725 = 7.329 BTC [+]

23:17:37 benkay: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=57

23:17:37 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

23:20:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 775 @ 0.00022491 = 0.1743 BTC [+]

23:21:20 davout: kakobrekla: did you document your findings about bitstamps matching engine somewhere?

23:21:37 davout: or should i dig the logs?

23:22:17 kakobrekla: hm, i bitchumented it here and prolly on forums couple of times

23:22:45 kakobrekla: but then they added to their faq "we are retarded" and i stopped.

23:26:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6465 @ 0.00087241 = 5.6401 BTC [-]

23:27:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18085 @ 0.00087269 = 15.7826 BTC [+] {2}

23:29:25 kakobrekla: btw dunno if you caught it, but they are supposedly selling their shit in a month or so

23:29:54 davout: yeah, you said it here a week ago or sthg iirc

23:30:16 davout: the question is who buys it

23:30:37 punkman1: nobody sane

23:31:29 davout: punkman1: the value of an exchange boils down to the value of their banking relationship + their existing customer base

23:31:40 davout: one of the two is unknown

23:31:44 kakobrekla: anyway re bitstamp, there were couple of problems over the course of time

23:32:15 kakobrekla: the most irritating is the min trade fee

23:32:34 davout: oh yeah i heard about this one

23:32:51 kakobrekla: i had a case where someone hit my order with 1 satoshi

23:32:56 davout: ouch

23:33:12 kakobrekla: (they can also make this shit up)

23:33:35 davout: like hitting your order with a satoshi just to charge you the minn fee?

23:34:05 kakobrekla: yea

23:34:30 kakobrekla: and ofc fee in that case is millions %

23:34:44 davout: yo

23:35:07 Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> btw dunno if you caught it, but they are supposedly selling their shit in a month or so // interesting

23:35:17 davout: "your cable was unplugged and it took 3 secs to fix? we'll charge you the full hour no problem"

23:36:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00087415 = 22.3782 BTC [+] {3}

23:42:29 davout: kakobrekla: i'm asking because imma open up the market orders feature, and i want to test the shit out of it before i do, so i was wondering if there were some bugs with them that could give me additional things to pay attention to

23:42:39 davout: (on bstamp)

23:44:30 Apocalyptic: davout, have you read http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1r4d6t/bitstamps_streaming_api_and_exploitation/ ?

23:45:57 Apocalyptic: the issue, and the fact someone is exploiting it beyond reasonable doubt has been verified

23:46:08 davout: Apocalyptic: has it been fixed ?

23:46:12 Apocalyptic: nope

23:46:18 Apocalyptic: not to my knowledge

23:47:39 ThickAsThieves: why isnt mpex quoting options?

23:48:45 ThickAsThieves: data source seems to be working fine, no? http://api.bitcoincharts.com/v1/weighted_prices.json

23:49:00 davout: ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2014#503754

23:49:14 ThickAsThieves: failed to get a quote?

23:49:24 davout: yea, that's kind of mysterious

23:49:29 ThickAsThieves: as in cant access the bitcoincharts data that is accessible?

23:50:35 davout: maybe it's some sort of safe switch that interrupts quoting under certain market conditions

23:51:06 davout: maybe the quoting leprechauns are on strike

23:52:15 ThickAsThieves: thatd be fine i guess

23:52:23 ThickAsThieves: if that was stated reasoning

23:52:32 davout: or mebbe the leprechaun is busy http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/165/e/e/fvsm01_leprechauns1_witches0_by_faile35-d3ixz8r.jpg

23:52:33 Apocalyptic: .d

23:52:33 ozbot: 2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 384 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.8109% in 2d 4h 53m 52s

23:52:44 ThickAsThieves: "dont expect to buy options when you want them most" or such

23:53:08 ThickAsThieves: hypothetically speaking of course

23:53:31 davout: if it "failed" to get a quote it sort of implies it's an unexpected situation

23:53:52 ThickAsThieves: which'd be weird too, considering that's just an algo flaw, just make em cost more

23:55:19 ThickAsThieves: i vote it's a Bugpowder freezeout

23:57:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07500001 = 0.375 BTC [-] {2}

23:57:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21942 @ 0.00087465 = 19.1916 BTC [+]