Transcript for 14-04-2014, 1136 lines:
00:00:04 mircea_popescu: interesting
00:00:10 JorgePasada: :-)
00:00:11 mircea_popescu: kinda the same here no ?
00:00:27 mircea_popescu: JorgePasada i guess now you gotta bug benkay to rate you
00:00:35 JorgePasada: That reminds me, we should have a euro version of the ATM prototyped within 3 weeks
00:00:43 JorgePasada: bill acceptor is different so we need a diff case
00:00:57 cgcardona_: the way I view it here is (per fraudsters) this is a room for professionals. we tie our identity to our gpg keys so there's accountability. Granted I've only been in the room a week so what do I know?
00:01:02 mircea_popescu: eh what the hey.
00:01:13 mircea_popescu: ;;rate JorgePasada 1 New blood.
00:01:22 mircea_popescu: tsk. get in the wot will you.
00:01:29 cgcardona_: my point exactly ^
00:01:41 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ but technically it's like... "i'm in the club", as in, "i am a barber"
00:01:45 mircea_popescu: or w/e, "a barrister"
00:02:08 cgcardona_: as in 'this room isn't a room where anyone can talk about shoes. it's a room where shoe makers can talk about anything.' ?
00:02:32 kakobrekla: just dont mention purses.
00:02:36 cgcardona_: ha
00:02:42 cgcardona_: #purses-assets
00:02:50 mircea_popescu: lol
00:03:29 mircea_popescu: the bitcoin pourse ?
00:03:35 mircea_popescu: no wait. the pitcoin pourse
00:06:11 artifexd: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla 137 : 92 << What's that about?
00:06:26 kakobrekla: AND ITS NOT 92
00:06:32 kakobrekla: dammit.
00:07:18 artifexd: Ok. Still... what is it about?
00:08:34 kakobrekla: im not telling until the result of the equation is less than 1
00:11:38 artifexd: Ah. WOT rating total. Current would be 137:123
00:12:28 kakobrekla: :D
00:13:06 artifexd: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 Runs assbot
00:13:56 artifexd: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 Runs assbot
00:14:17 artifexd: 137:124
00:14:25 kakobrekla: awww, ty. 13 to go.
00:14:32 kakobrekla: lemme grab two socks real quick.
00:30:33 mircea_popescu: artifexd we've had this thing going for ... 2 years now ?
00:30:35 mircea_popescu: and moar like 139:124. mwahahaha
00:47:50 asciilifeform: from the freakshow:
00:48:08 asciilifeform: (in all major languages!)
00:59:59 thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6
01:45:27 cgcardona_: the network effect of finance
02:11:37 TestingUnoDosTre: ^isn't that a joke
02:12:47 ozbot: Jeff Dunham-Achmed The Dead Terroist - YouTube
02:13:12 kakobrekla: nah fuck the fbi, its her reaction.
02:15:33 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ seems more like a fitted graph than anything. where did they get the n ?
02:16:06 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol
02:16:34 cgcardona_: not sure where they got the data honestly. need to research deeper.
02:16:50 cgcardona_: the first time I saw it I thought it was fake because it fit so well.
02:17:04 cgcardona_: i'll see if I can dig up the reddit thread
02:17:37 TestingUnoDosTre: Actually, she is a huge Bieber fan, lock her in solitary and the world will be a better place
02:18:11 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455530340682330112 :D
02:18:19 cgcardona_: i think it's funny how you can see the large dip in the green line which is the green line. I'm wondering if that is just bad data or there really were just that many fewer addresses used those days
02:18:39 cgcardona_: *green line which is the green line* <----huh?
02:18:56 cgcardona_: *which is the unique addresses used per day
02:19:14 kakobrekla: i dunno mp just dont take my ip, i got just this one.
02:19:53 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ actually they're using every trick in the book. most any two natural curves will look "fitted" in a log 10 graph
02:20:53 mircea_popescu: i would say upon examination this is exactly typical of the reddit mental process. very circular, very brandy futility.
02:21:02 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#footnote_0_53902 << i'll send you cookies :P lol
02:21:23 mircea_popescu: lol
02:22:07 cgcardona_: yes I'm glad I found this room MP. the bitcoin forum is the bottom of the barrel and reddit is mostly memes and flamewars as well. (though don't ge me wrong. I enjoy a good meme and/or flamewar)
02:22:23 cgcardona_: *don't get me wrong
02:22:25 mircea_popescu: me either, but neither are science.
02:23:28 mircea_popescu: just for your own education, take two random things, such i dunno... sin(x) and cos(x) then draw them on a log graph. see how splendidly they fit
02:23:29 cgcardona_: it's funny how IRC is **still** the best social network (forgive the term)
02:23:50 cgcardona_: it's been the best place for me to interact in real time for years
02:23:52 mircea_popescu: and i mean if those two fit... then there's no fucking hope anymore.
02:25:10 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre true story : i was in the bank the other day, and they had these timberlake concert fliers. i picked one up and told my pa "doesn't this guy look just like a waiter ?". he did, dressed all up for the job, too.
02:25:19 mircea_popescu: the bank clerk was all excited "oh, you're going ? i'm going too!"
02:25:24 thestringpuller: 22:23 <+cgcardona_> it's funny how IRC is **still** the best social network (forgive the term)i miss BBS; it got phased out when I was just a little one
02:25:35 TestingUnoDosTre: hahaha
02:25:48 cgcardona_: was hitting some bbs from telnet recently. it was a trip
02:25:52 cgcardona_: the ascii art is off the hook
02:26:12 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller fucking phones tho. it took forever.
02:26:14 cgcardona_: there's still quite a few boards out there.
02:26:14 mircea_popescu: im impatient
02:26:40 TestingUnoDosTre: MP, what was that cloudflare twit about?
02:26:57 joecool: probably the private key extraction challenge
02:27:00 mircea_popescu: http://media.ticketmaster.com/dbimages/142121a.jpg
02:27:01 TestingUnoDosTre: why were you talking about govt sponsored antisec stuff
02:27:06 mircea_popescu: this shit. doesn't he look just like the maitre d' ?
02:27:22 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre because it is my considered opinion that that's what cloudflare is.
02:27:23 cgcardona_: classic.
02:27:31 TestingUnoDosTre: oooo gotcha
02:27:40 joecool: should get his number, call to make a reservation
02:27:50 mircea_popescu: by now they're on tap as a "free trial" on every budged webhoster out there. gimme a break.
02:27:52 cgcardona_: now I'm picturing sean parker as the maitre d'.
02:28:18 mircea_popescu: loose tie'd never work
02:32:02 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/803/bitpay-will-succeed-before-q2-2015/#c2773 this shit's pretty fucking instructive.
02:32:06 ozbot: BitBet - BitPay will succeed before Q2 2015
02:32:16 mircea_popescu: look art that list. not a single fucking "company" in there does anything.
02:32:22 mircea_popescu: and these are the "successes".
02:32:35 mircea_popescu: Xobni ?!
02:33:45 mircea_popescu: 280 North ?!
02:33:48 mircea_popescu: i mean holy shit.
02:34:33 mircea_popescu: Mailgun. "Mailgun is a set of powerful APIs that allow you to send, receive and track email effortlessly."
02:34:36 cgcardona_: omgpop
02:34:52 cgcardona_: what about heroku?
02:34:59 cgcardona_: they're pretty cool IMO.
02:35:32 mircea_popescu: i guess, but let alone cool, let's talk money.
02:35:42 mircea_popescu: would you pay $100 for anything they do ?
02:35:49 cgcardona_: sure. they sold for over $200 mil to salesforce
02:35:54 cgcardona_: i pay them about $40 a month
02:35:56 cgcardona_: so yea
02:35:58 mircea_popescu: you do ?
02:36:10 cgcardona_: i have projects on heroku yea. i'm a rails dev for part of my job
02:36:15 mircea_popescu: i guess i'm just hopelessly antiquated
02:36:17 cgcardona_: for the ssl endpoints I pay
02:36:21 cgcardona_: haha
02:36:23 cgcardona_: says the bitlord
02:36:25 *: cgcardona_ bows
02:36:42 cgcardona_: i doubt your antiquated
02:36:42 mircea_popescu: rails is like... o god. i think only php is moar hated than rails here
02:36:46 cgcardona_: haha
02:36:48 *: cgcardona_ ducks
02:36:58 mircea_popescu: lemme see maybe i have a link
02:38:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2013#426056
02:38:23 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
02:38:40 cgcardona_: ouch
02:39:34 joecool: ruby on rails, it's the hipster way?
02:39:35 mircea_popescu: well we had bad experiences. in bitcoin i mean. there was that atrocious hole last year, pretty much put bitcoin-central on its ass.
02:40:00 mircea_popescu: then there's vircurex, tho that's probably a case of pebkac
02:40:20 mircea_popescu: but w/e, heroku, has a paas platform people use.
02:40:25 mircea_popescu: how about all the other 60 shits in that list!
02:40:30 TestingUnoDosTre: I'm thinking of making a bet along the lines of "bitstamp will issue a news statement that they are freezing bitcoin withdraws in the next 3 months." Thoughts, comments?
02:41:01 mircea_popescu: Gantto. Gantto is a web based planning application. Users can collaborate in real-time to create and edit Gantt charts.
02:41:02 mircea_popescu: really ?
02:41:15 cgcardona_: lol. fucking classic
02:41:20 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre um... a la mtgox ?
02:41:31 cgcardona_: "it's a social network of Gantt charts!" "fund em"
02:41:52 mircea_popescu: this reminds me of costanza's investment.
02:41:59 cgcardona_: and paul graham retired so the new dude can scale it 10X
02:42:03 cgcardona_: think of the good times ahead
02:42:06 ozbot: Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 05-The Stock Tip
02:42:13 mircea_popescu: GEORGE: It?s called Sendrax. They?ve got some new kind of technique for televising opera.
02:42:13 mircea_popescu: ELAINE: Televising opera?
02:42:14 mircea_popescu: GEORGE: Some sort of electronic thingy.
02:42:21 joecool: hmm whatever happened to tradehill
02:42:38 TestingUnoDosTre: Not necessarily exactly mt gox style, but that would be included. Something like this would be included as well https://www.bitstamp.net/article/update-regarding-openssl-vulnerability/
02:42:52 mircea_popescu: joecool kenna tried to relaunch, the girl told him where to stick it, he wasn't heard from since ?
02:43:31 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre idjits srsly. 2fa would have done exactly nothing./
02:44:19 TestingUnoDosTre: Wait, why is that?
02:44:22 mircea_popescu: Cardpool. "Cardpool makes it ridiculously easy to buy and sell pre-owned gift cards. Customers can buy gift cards for up to 35% off or sell unwanted gift cards for cash ."
02:44:40 joecool: i assumed they gave up running an exchange and were focusing on trying to sell a plaform to someone else
02:44:43 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre because the server bleeds memory, in principle you can decrypt their 2fa challenge as well as anything else.
02:45:03 mircea_popescu: joecool i heard the same thing but notrly substantiated.
02:45:37 TestingUnoDosTre: ahhhh
02:45:49 mircea_popescu: The Fridge. "The Fridge is a platform for lightweight single serving social networks for the functionality of Facebook without being on Facebook."
02:45:58 cgcardona_: MP - this is the new dude who took over ycombinator and his new request for submissions post http://blog.samaltman.com/new-rfs-breakthrough-technologies
02:46:06 mircea_popescu: i reiterate. the above was... a success ?
02:46:09 cgcardona_: hopefully the quality of YC companies will improve
02:46:15 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ it can not.
02:46:24 cgcardona_: perma-broke?
02:46:26 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Deliberately and quite maliciously tried to meld the BleedingHeart openssl vulnerability into the Bitcoin code." << you're referring to the 2FA they wanted to put in awhile back?
02:46:30 cgcardona_: borked
02:47:45 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ things degrade naturally, the same vicious circle as exhibited by used car markets that lemon laws try to fix : any seller with above-average value is disincentivised from participating.
02:48:17 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no. to the pki they tried toi get in "for verifying merchant's addresses" in spite of... everyone's objections.
02:48:46 mircea_popescu: Munch On Me. "Munch On Me is a food discovery portal that connects people with great food at great prices in local communities."
02:49:08 mircea_popescu: dude fucking hell. if it were, call girl services, so you can eat your powerlunch on a naked arts major, it'd have made more sense.
02:49:42 mircea_popescu: VoiceGem. "Voicegem is the easiest way to send a voice message to anyone."
02:49:50 mircea_popescu: apparently... phones are an app now.
02:50:08 mircea_popescu: SocialCam. "Socialcam is the easiest way to share video with your friends and on social networks."
02:50:27 mircea_popescu: like you know... all the functionality of being on chatroulette without being on chatroulette.
02:50:32 mircea_popescu: or in other words... penis.
02:50:39 cgcardona_: ": dude fucking hell. if it were, call girl services, so you can eat your powerlunch on a naked arts major, it'd have made more sense." <-- epic
02:50:47 cgcardona_: that's a kickstarter I'd fund ^
02:51:28 mircea_popescu: "munch on me, munch off me, either way lunch is on me!"
02:51:28 cgcardona_: yea when YC last year offered to fund people w/ no ideas the shark was officially jumped
02:51:31 mircea_popescu: there, we have a logo
02:51:35 cgcardona_: haha nice
02:51:44 artifexd: I guess if you shift it, it could fit.
02:52:20 cgcardona_: ;;rate artifexd 1 for science
02:52:26 cgcardona_: nice work artifexd
02:52:42 mircea_popescu: artifexd i guess my worst fucking example ever.
02:53:06 artifexd: Verification of mircea_popescu theory failed.
02:53:19 cgcardona_: looks like thighs and a stomach leaning forward
02:53:30 TestingUnoDosTre: is that the logo for Munch on me?
02:53:34 cgcardona_: hahaha
02:53:39 cgcardona_: *ties it together*
02:55:24 artifexd: Random formulas aside, I do understand your point that any growing trend can be fitted to match any other growing trend if you futz with the scales enough.
02:55:37 mircea_popescu: artifexd http://graphsketch.com/?eqn1_color=1&eqn1_eqn=sin(x)%2Flog(x)&eqn2_color=2&eqn2_eqn=cos(x)%2Flog(x)&eqn3_color=3&eqn3_eqn=&eqn4_color=4&eqn4_eqn=&eqn5_color=5&eqn5_eqn=&eqn6_color=6&eqn6_eqn=&x_min=-17&x_max=17&y_min=-10.5&y_max=10.5&x_tick=1&y_tick=1&x_label_freq=5&y_label_freq=5&do_grid=0&do_grid=1&bold_labeled_lines=0&bold_labeled_lines=1&line_width=4&image_w=850&image_h=525
02:55:39 mircea_popescu: shit
02:56:15 mircea_popescu: that's what i fucking had in mind. im entirely unsure why i thought /log(x) is a homomorphism of a log scale, but anywa
02:56:47 cgcardona_: data porn is the best. imagine all the poor saps throughout history who had to make critical decisions in the moment and didn't have mounds of data porn to pour over.
02:57:30 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ their job was easier, as they prolly hadn't invented the adversarial system either, so they could actually reach some sort of a decision.
02:57:36 artifexd: graphsketch.com << That's going into my bookmark list. I resorted to some silly site where I had to take screenshots and upload them to imgur.
02:57:58 mircea_popescu: mp. even when he's wrong, you learn shit.
02:58:12 mircea_popescu: that's gonna be my slogan for a while.
02:58:28 cgcardona_: mp. talks in 3rd person
02:58:32 cgcardona_: thats a good slogan too
02:58:45 artifexd: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Teaches me shit even when he's wrong
02:59:29 mircea_popescu: artifexd I do understand your point that << that's only half the point. this much is valid, but!
02:59:43 mircea_popescu: it takes a minimally trained eye to notice gross unfitness in a log graph.
03:00:03 mircea_popescu: because what appears "close" is way the fuck out over there. as in the original graph, midway. the thing's all over the place.
03:00:44 artifexd: Would the other half be that numbers can be molested to demonstrate whatever whack theory the molester wants to demonstrate?
03:01:38 mircea_popescu: if those two fit you're basically saying that anally inserting a pea and a horse's head is roughly similar.
03:01:57 mircea_popescu: roughly it may be, but similar not.
03:02:03 cgcardona_: i see your point. on a log scale
03:02:39 mircea_popescu: on a log scale any two things are within an inch of each other.
03:02:57 dub: this is lame
03:03:03 mircea_popescu: hey dubsy!
03:03:07 dub: ahoy
03:03:31 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ i mean for curiosity's sake, re-do the same graph but not in log(10). in log(1024) instead. fucking flatlines.
03:03:50 mircea_popescu: dub so what's so lame about it ?
03:04:16 dub: lets make a shorter list, whats not lame about it
03:04:18 mircea_popescu: TextPayMe. "Founded in 2005, TextPayMe is an SMS payment service that lets you send money to other people using cell phone."
03:04:30 cgcardona_: sounds like it could be huge
03:04:42 cgcardona_: these kids today and their "cell phones"
03:04:48 cgcardona_: *fund em*
03:04:52 mircea_popescu: dub trick question.
03:05:27 mircea_popescu: Parakey. "Parakey was founded in early 2006 by Blake Ross and Joe Hewitt of Mozilla/ Firefox fame. Little has been revealed about."
03:06:06 mircea_popescu: "a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is"
03:07:18 mircea_popescu: Whereoscope. Whereoscope is a service designed to help parents keep know where their kids are.
03:07:41 mircea_popescu: actual crunchbase profile. fucking written by $.75 an hour indians that thing.
03:08:07 artifexd: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Teaches me shit
03:09:18 mircea_popescu: !up zoinky
03:10:50 mircea_popescu: Divvyshot. "Divvyshot allows groups of friends to share their photos easily, at their full resolutions. It was a Y Combinator participant."
03:11:45 mircea_popescu: kiko. Kiko is a web calendar for anyone who wants to keep and share a calendar online. Kiko excels at three main things:
03:11:52 mircea_popescu: surprise, fear and a fanatical devotion to the pope.
03:12:36 mircea_popescu: SocialPicks. "SocialPicks provides individual investors with a trusted online investing community where they can invest smarter together."
03:12:47 mircea_popescu: o look, someone ipo'd bitcointalk/securities.
03:12:52 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate mircea_popescu knows where to find inexpensive indian writers
03:12:54 mircea_popescu: sold out for 8mn
03:12:59 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 knows where to find inexpensive indian writers
03:13:04 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre actually i think jurov does
03:13:14 TestingUnoDosTre: seriously?
03:13:17 mircea_popescu: prolly.
03:13:29 artifexd: It's a veritable rate-fest in here.
03:13:31 TestingUnoDosTre: I'm looking to start a blog on climate science
03:13:40 mircea_popescu: good niche.
03:13:51 mircea_popescu: huge shortage of words on that topic
03:13:56 mircea_popescu: </sarcasm
03:14:03 TestingUnoDosTre: I was joking as well
03:16:24 mircea_popescu: Finally, its worth noting that Y Combinator has funded a total of 564 companies. More than 150 of those companies are less than 18 months old. Therefore, 80% of the companies are older than 18 months and have not been acquired.
03:16:50 mircea_popescu: anyway. epic article, all the lulz one could want for an evening.
03:17:03 TestingUnoDosTre: all of them!
03:19:32 cgcardona_: YC = £u£$
03:19:40 cgcardona_: they do it for the lulz ^
03:21:06 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
03:21:13 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 182,759.50 / 410.365466491
03:21:17 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 182759.50 / 410.365466491
03:21:59 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ < berkshire is like 30% ahead and yet... nobody bets.
03:22:02 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment
03:23:00 cgcardona_: I like this one. http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/#b62 - looks like someone came in right before it broke 400 and make some coin
03:23:26 TestingUnoDosTre: It wasn't RIGHT before
03:23:28 cgcardona_: *made some coin
03:23:40 cgcardona_: i haven't checked the charts. how long before was it?
03:23:42 TestingUnoDosTre: there was a 10k buy wall around when s/he made that bet
03:24:02 TestingUnoDosTre: My bet, the refund, was quite very near the change
03:24:30 mircea_popescu: so like 10 hours early.
03:24:44 TestingUnoDosTre: yep
03:25:32 ozbot: List of Victims of Their Own Success | Bitcointa.lk
03:25:39 mircea_popescu: ahaha. ty bitcoin-assets wiki, i had forgotten this one
03:26:17 mircea_popescu: (for new people : mtgox failed miserably a year ago, this time. their lag was routinely in the half hour range. it's all in the logs. their response ? "we are a victim of our own success!!1"
03:29:23 TestingUnoDosTre: this under 300 bet is very intruiging
03:31:59 TestingUnoDosTre: also been quite surprised about the amoung of gigahashes that have been dropped on the network in the last day or so
03:32:50 mircea_popescu: But in either case, the race is on : the governments are mining, boys and girls. (The good news, of course, is that they?ve started about at the same time, which means we have cleared the ONLY roadblock Bitcoin ever seriously had in its path. We?re done here, we?ve won.)
03:32:58 ozbot: Things that matter these days ; things that don’t matter these days. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mirce
03:33:49 mod6: heh, its up almost 10TH/s
03:34:03 mod6: *10k
03:34:29 artifexd: How do you know that governments are mining, much less which governments and to what degree?
03:36:08 mircea_popescu: apparently i got my own nsa
03:37:17 TestingUnoDosTre: lol
03:37:33 TestingUnoDosTre: should I be laughing or not?
03:37:46 mircea_popescu: anyway. the bed's just filed extradition papers so ima have to bid you a very good laters!
03:38:13 mod6: night
03:38:14 artifexd: If it is an educated guess, that's cool. What I'm asking is whether you have any independently verifiable proof that governments are mining? (Like, verifiable by someone like, you know, me)
03:39:43 benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2014&bots=true#623312 << then there's cavirtex which is django, a scam, and has shipped precisely zero since their original thinger.
03:39:45 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
03:43:55 benkay: artifexd: ain't nobody sharing information like that for free.
03:46:08 benkay: sam altman running y combinator
03:46:14 benkay: graham tire of the derp circus?
03:46:19 artifexd: Without inside knowledge, how could you verify it? The only information that actually links to the miner is the coinbase script and I haven't seen any scripts with "Mined by US GSA" in them.
03:47:20 asciilifeform: gotta love how he suggests 'cheap energy!11!' as a yc startup idea.
03:48:10 asciilifeform: yes, the fellow who builds the mythical magic reactor surely needs $15k of 'invest' and a spell in trendoid bootcamp.
03:50:04 benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2014&bots=true#623392 << give it five years, plot a line on the log scale and see how beautifully it fits
03:50:05 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
03:50:35 asciilifeform: see mp's essay re: how dog sees every other creature as a type of dog
03:51:07 benkay: artifexd: another point on this topic is that intelligence is completely unverifiable. your source may be compromised, your source may be lying, all sorts of things may be true.
03:51:39 benkay: a not entirely thing to say about mircea_popescu's sources is that there's a nonzero chance they're trained ninjas who've infiltrated both the us and sino mining operations
03:51:43 asciilifeform: benkay: the science of how to verify intelligence is not a secret.
03:51:44 benkay: not entirely crazy
03:51:55 asciilifeform: plenty has been written on the subject, since at least machiavelli
03:52:22 benkay: if its your spy im sure you can make some guesses
03:52:29 artifexd: Sure. But there's nothing other than "Because I said so".
03:52:31 benkay: but if it's my spy, and you want to know how good the report is
03:52:59 artifexd: Unless his "I got my own nsa" statement was not a joke and was actually a comment on his research team.
03:53:22 asciilifeform: any serious commercial organization has an intelligence arm
03:53:32 asciilifeform: again, not a secret, in itself.
03:56:29 benkay: so an entity with an intelligence arm claims a thing is true and says 'get stuffed' when you ask 'but how ams u knooooow?'. how as a prole in -assets are you going to ever verify something the entity spent an unknown amount of money discovering?
03:57:11 benkay: artifexd: i think the joke is that the nsa would love to have access to mp's intel.
03:57:15 asciilifeform: benkay: in such a case, you must either take the advice or leave it
03:57:18 benkay: not that i'd know. derpy kid as myself.
03:58:16 benkay: asciilifeform: points about verification aside, that'd be the point i'm trying to pound into artifexd
03:58:17 asciilifeform: let's say you live in a place where earthquakes are a regular thing
03:58:32 asciilifeform: you may or may not know the gory details of how a seismologist does his work
03:58:45 asciilifeform: but if the fellow warned you in time once, twice...
03:59:20 benkay: i'm with you 100%
04:00:02 dub: uh, siesmologists dont generally predict earthquakes
04:00:17 benkay: helens
04:00:27 artifexd: I think my (possible?) mistake is in thinking that he has access to the same information as the rest of us (specifically, me). He may have more people to pour over it and analyze it, but the raw information is available.
04:00:43 benkay: that'd be what we call an 'assumption'.
04:00:50 artifexd: Or rather, that I have access to the same information he does.
04:00:58 asciilifeform: won't predict, but will show where fault line, etc.
04:01:06 asciilifeform: simplified example
04:06:16 benkay: ;;gettrust JorgePasada
04:06:34 benkay: JorgePasada: i can't rate you unless you get in the WoT.
04:09:37 artifexd: When I was in the Navy, lower ranked officers were nothing special, but even lower enlisted (like myself) didn't have conversations with the Captains and Admirals. There was the understanding that they were "people" just like us (meaning the enlisted folk), but their concerns and our concerns didn't overlap enough to allow for everyday conversation. There
04:09:37 artifexd: was a real caste system.
04:11:08 artifexd: Here, mircea and I should not exist in the same caste. I'm just a normal dude. He's a Romanian Billionare. WITH A B! I can conceive of no reason that someone that high up the food chain would give two shits about what I think or why I think it.
04:11:53 benkay: that understanding is the glue holding the democratic army of america together
04:12:21 artifexd: And yet, every time I talk, he gives me the time of day. When I question him, he responds reasonably. I guess that encourages me to treat him as an equal.
04:12:32 benkay: and yeah, they're probably just like you in the particulars of their lives and mistresses and dinners and base houses etc
04:13:02 benkay: heh
04:13:23 benkay: bow to your bitlord, for despite his friendly demeanor ye are not equals.
04:13:48 benkay: some day i'll get to say that to someone in all seriousness.
04:16:10 artifexd: Honestly, I think I'm feeling a little overwhelmed that he appointed me as a bitcoin baron. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014&bots=true#622843
04:16:18 artifexd: Because, seriously, who the fuck am I?
04:16:58 artifexd: Anyway, time to put the existential crisis on hold and get some work done before bed.
04:18:14 benkay: lowest of the low, artifexd
04:18:34 benkay: baron must do his lords work or be stripped as i understand it
04:20:13 artifexd: Do you remember the first time somebody gave you real responsibility? "Don't let me down, kid." type stuff.
04:20:32 cgcardona_: sure. when I found out my gf was pregnant.
04:20:33 artifexd: Trust, belief, whatever.
04:20:51 artifexd: Kinda heavy but also empowering
04:20:53 benkay: "here's a cluster, kid."
04:20:57 benkay: shat myself almost.
04:21:08 benkay: "you're on call now."
04:21:19 cgcardona_: SuperUser
04:22:17 benkay: greybeard
04:22:56 benkay: in an odd turn of events that no doubt indicts my past masters for incompetence i've always had root on der boxen
04:27:47 cgcardona_: not i
04:28:00 cgcardona_: but i've joined teams of 80 engineers
04:28:06 cgcardona_: so of course I didn't come on board w/ root
04:28:44 cgcardona_: in fact once someone took over my screen/vim session w/ ascii art/text telling me about an engineering meeting.
04:29:14 benkay: brutal.
04:29:38 benkay: my generation hacks on cloud vms in eerie silence.
04:30:27 benkay: leastaways that's how we learn before getting hoovered out of our ditches into Business.
04:36:47 benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu how does the discreet escort leverage the WoT?
04:45:37 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate mircea_popescu I bow to my bitlord, for despite his friendly demeanor, we are not equals
04:45:50 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 I bow to my bitlord, for despite his friendly demeanor, we are not equals
04:47:36 TestingUnoDosTre: Does mp use bitstamp?
04:50:03 dub: yes
04:50:33 dub: but he's holding off for GLBSE 3.0
04:51:11 TestingUnoDosTre: I'm wondering because shortly after he left, the books are going wild with buys
04:51:55 dub: statistical certainty
04:52:14 benkay: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu&sign=ANY&type=SENT grep for broker
04:52:15 ozbot: Rating Details for User 'mircea_popescu'
04:59:41 joecool: mp needed dem sales
04:59:50 joecool: gotta catch em all
05:01:19 TestingUnoDosTre: what does he mean by ATC broker, maybe OTC insead?
05:01:46 TestingUnoDosTre: for pankkakke
05:01:52 artifexd: Altcoin
05:02:02 ozbot: The Real Altcoin (ATC) - Never mine another altcoin again.
05:02:25 artifexd: Also #altcoin
05:02:42 artifexd: Speaking of which, last sale was at 170. Geez...
05:04:09 TestingUnoDosTre: last sale of altcoin?
05:04:28 TestingUnoDosTre: Altcoin*
05:04:51 artifexd: Yeah. At x-bt.com
05:10:23 TestingUnoDosTre: did thickasthieves make atc>
05:20:05 artifexd: He did
05:23:19 ozbot: [SHA256] Altcoin | Bitcointa.lk
05:23:30 ozbot: There is no recourse in Bitcoin - only trust and identity
05:28:30 TestingUnoDosTre: oh my gawd, I'm laughing my ass off while reading this forum. How the hell did he pull this off?
05:30:03 benkay: share some gems, TestingUnoDosTre
05:30:41 TestingUnoDosTre: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4873000#msg4873000
05:30:42 ozbot: [SHA256] Altcoin
05:32:07 TestingUnoDosTre: "All other pretenders to the altcoin designation must be assimilated. Resistance is futile."
05:33:44 TestingUnoDosTre: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4874236#msg4874236
05:33:46 ozbot: [SHA256] Altcoin
05:34:07 fluffypony: please tell me someone set up a pool to let the miners mine and never find a block
05:34:13 artifexd: benkay: I'm trying to find an article that I think you wrote. In the article the statement "Storing bitcoins on a phone is the god damned stupidest fucking thing evar." Or something to that effect. Do you remember that?
05:34:34 benkay: ah yeah half a sec
05:35:11 ozbot: Bitcoiners Upset at Apple Understand Neither Apple's Business Model nor Bitcoin
05:35:42 benkay: it's probably a bad thing that i'm the search engine for my blog
05:35:55 artifexd: Yep. I was looking for this paragraph:
05:35:56 artifexd: urthermore, putting bitcoins on your phone is probably the goddamn stupidest thing that I've ever heard of. Bitcoins are going to be the world's reserve currency4, and as such fated to rise to prices per coin that dwarf even the outlandish Winklevoss' most media-hungry "predictions". To leave such a precious commodity within reach of anyone with a USB cable5
05:35:56 artifexd: and a gun to scare you off your phone is the height of idiocy.
05:36:01 artifexd: I love that.
05:37:11 artifexd: That article is the top result for "goddamn stupidest thing bitcoin"
05:37:28 benkay: for real?
05:37:48 artifexd: Try it
05:38:48 benkay: hahaha
05:38:48 TestingUnoDosTre: lol
05:39:31 benkay: and yet
05:39:36 benkay: ;;google goddamn stupidest thing bitcoin
05:41:23 artifexd: Personalized search, I guess.
05:43:00 benkay: yeah nobody really understands gribble's search magic
05:43:12 TestingUnoDosTre: showed up for me as well, after I viewed at least one of your articles
05:43:18 benkay: fascinating.
05:43:26 benkay: well, index me into the googleborg gents
05:44:02 benkay: i'm off to harass the womenfolk and ingest intoxicants
05:44:22 benkay: don't start glbse 4.0 without me, eh?
05:49:15 artifexd: !up smidge
05:49:20 artifexd: !up bigtip
09:37:07 bounce: this needs a better translator: http://www.goxdox.org/2014/04/mtgox-to-be-acquired-by-silk-road_12.html
10:11:06 Namworld: "This PR team apparently sees nothing wrong with this Sponsor’s association with Silk Road Equity LLC (I am not shitting you)."
10:11:35 Namworld: It's not being aquired by Silk Road... it says Silk Road Equity.
10:11:40 Namworld: Domain registered in 2003
10:11:42 ozbot: SilkRoad Equity - PORTFOLIO
10:12:13 Namworld: They have Bitcoin related website, some real estates and restaurant and random stuff. Eh...
10:12:47 Namworld: The name seems to be a bad coincidence. An awful one even.
10:13:25 Namworld: Doesn't look like an appropriate candidate anyway. There's no amount of duct tape that can fix MtGox.
10:14:58 fluffypony: yeah
10:15:16 fluffypony: I read somewhere they're offering 1 BTC and are willing to absorb all the liabilities
10:15:58 Namworld: What liabilities?
10:16:23 fluffypony: all the money Karpeles stole, presumably?
10:16:42 Namworld: So, basically, they are insane?
10:16:54 fluffypony: yes
10:17:10 fluffypony: they'll probably take the BTC pool that has been "discovered"
10:17:16 fluffypony: and then distribute that proportionally
10:17:24 fluffypony: so everyone gets 1/8th or whatever
10:17:27 fluffypony: of what they had
10:17:54 Namworld: 200k/650k or 750k so like 25-30%?
10:18:17 Namworld: Assuming Karpeles doesn't get to keep his 100k that he "also lost"
10:18:22 fluffypony: yeah
10:18:43 fluffypony: I don't think they'd be stupid enough to cover the rest, unless they never want to ever achieve any level of profitability
10:18:43 bounce: then call it a day. then what? a rotten website and trading "engine", an unwilling user base (I mean... well, they didn't walk away before, did they?), and, trouble with nosy 'merkin regulators. what'd be in it for them?
10:18:58 fluffypony: bounce: who knows what goes through their heads
10:19:04 fluffypony: maybe they think the gox name is salvageable
10:19:44 bounce: could be a TLAgency front. then again, why go through all the trouble? might as well set up one anew.
10:20:00 fluffypony: yeah
10:20:15 Namworld: Depends on the sort of capital they have. Gox's name isn't what's doomed. It's the code created by Karpeles and Karpeles himself.
10:20:40 Namworld: If they don't have to pay back balances lost, just what's left, and get to have all the userbase with docs...
10:21:00 Namworld: They could even relaunch anew with their own name
10:21:13 fluffypony: yeah
10:21:22 bounce: depends a bit on what you could do with that. though apparently you could've grabbed that yourself, seeing the guys that first promised not to sell the loot, then offered to sell it anyway.
10:21:28 fluffypony: bounce: you'll be surprised who comes crawling back
10:21:37 Namworld: That's the only thing I can imagine someone going after, the doxed userbase without having to pay balances
10:21:57 fluffypony: also afaik, wasn't gox tightly integrated into some trading platforms?
10:22:23 fluffypony: a lot of heavy traders aren't going to want to reinvest fresh capital and then still have to pay for compatability with whatever platform they use
10:22:39 fluffypony: but the opportunity to keep using the tools even with only 25% of their capital that was in gox
10:22:42 fluffypony: may be appealing
10:22:43 Namworld: Bounce, if someone took it from the hacker and spammed the users telling them "We already have your docs, come trade on a good BTC market! *LINK*"
10:22:51 Namworld: Well let's just say it wouldn't pass.
10:23:11 bounce: notice how you can s/hacker/boogieman/ and you'd make about as much sense. in fact, you'd be more honest.
10:24:41 Namworld: eh
10:24:51 Namworld: Anyway, I'm going off, gn all
10:25:30 fluffypony: inght
10:25:31 fluffypony: night
10:30:06 dexX7: <assbot> [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45100001 BTC [-] << ouch
11:19:56 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla good move on the assbot pm
11:20:25 mircea_popescu: maybe s/To get a voice, a permission to speak/To get voice (ie, to be able to speak),
11:21:26 mircea_popescu: actually,
11:22:11 mircea_popescu: To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.
11:35:42 mircea_popescu: !up los_pantalones
11:35:48 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones you teh twitter guy ?
11:36:21 dexX7: "The same bug also affected the forum. Changing your forum password is recommended." on btctalk.. is this msg new?
11:36:43 mircea_popescu: dexX7 you may be the last one using .org, people kinda moved to .lk
11:37:03 dexX7: i don't like the .lk design
11:37:33 mircea_popescu: what's wrong with it ? (just curious, i dun do forums anyway)
11:37:33 dexX7: it's too flashy and colorful
11:37:56 mircea_popescu: o.O
11:37:56 los_pantalones: yo yo mircaea_popescu
11:38:04 los_pantalones: i am the twitter guy
11:38:04 dexX7: or maybe it's only because i'm too used to the original
11:38:10 mircea_popescu: ;;rate los_pantalones 1 New blood
11:38:10 los_pantalones: a man in tight pants, who likely shouldn't be
11:38:16 mircea_popescu: so pastebin that thing if it's not secret
11:38:18 los_pantalones: yeah, i'm a noobie
11:38:29 mircea_popescu: and also, you know ben panced ?
11:38:32 los_pantalones: not a secret, it's a logical disagreement
11:38:39 los_pantalones: no, i do not
11:38:49 mircea_popescu: ;;google cow and chicken "the red guy"
11:39:17 mircea_popescu: one of the best cartoon characters of all time. always naked from the waist down, always funny pants reference names, a whole pants thing
11:39:36 los_pantalones: well, i look just like al gore iii in his mugshot
11:39:38 los_pantalones: so that works too
11:39:53 los_pantalones: give me a sec to get stuff up
11:40:11 los_pantalones: but the basic premise is that price bets are not a binary event, they lose probability over time
11:40:23 los_pantalones: quicker than say something like "will there be a gay player in baseball by august 10th"
11:40:28 los_pantalones: that bet can hit all the way to the last day
11:40:29 mircea_popescu: no worry,
11:40:36 los_pantalones: whereas a price bet requires time to work towards a goal
11:40:42 mircea_popescu: i've been trying to write an article the past half hour, so, i can use the break
11:40:44 mircea_popescu: take your time
11:40:46 los_pantalones: so the longer it's not near the event the lower the prob of it occuring
11:40:54 mircea_popescu: and i brb.
11:40:56 los_pantalones: k
11:48:33 BingoBoingo: ;;google site:fraudsters.com let us understand mutual betting together
11:57:53 los_pantalones: mircea_popescu this is admittedly from the first time i looked at the contracts
11:57:57 los_pantalones: was getting my head around them
11:57:58 los_pantalones: but
11:58:03 los_pantalones: here's the email
11:58:08 ozbot: bitbet time decay - Pastebin.com
12:01:31 los_pantalones: i started a math optimization as well, prob best not to share that though
12:02:15 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-elitism-memory-hole-effect/
12:02:15 ozbot: The elitism memory hole effect pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
12:06:49 fluffypony: jurov: someone's squatting your nick
12:06:51 fluffypony: jurovv
12:06:59 fluffypony: [14:06:55] jurovv has userhost ~email@example.com and real name "nunyo"
12:07:40 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones i was hoping for something more along the lines of a set of numeric examples, or in any sense some math analysis. opinion based we've had already, such as for instance :
12:07:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-12-2013#404631
12:07:45 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
12:07:53 mircea_popescu: (see the prev day too, it was a lengthy discussion)
12:08:40 mircea_popescu: !up los_pantalones
12:08:51 mircea_popescu: also to voice yourself, id with gribble an pm assbot !up
12:09:21 los_pantalones: yeah, learning the ropes here
12:09:24 los_pantalones: trying to follow your rules
12:09:54 los_pantalones: i'll try to get something more concrete for you
12:10:00 los_pantalones: have any experience w/ black-scholes ?
12:10:24 mircea_popescu: inasmuch as i've run 90%+ of all option volume on btc/usd i nthe history of btc, i would say yes.
12:10:38 los_pantalones: ha, MY BAD
12:11:03 mircea_popescu: you can assume complete and absolute comprehension on the part of -assets, like you were talking to god.
12:11:13 mircea_popescu: then if i don't understand wtf you're saying ima ask somebody to read it to me.
12:11:13 los_pantalones: i had forgotten
12:11:37 los_pantalones: welp, let me see if i can put something coherent together in the next couple days
12:12:01 los_pantalones: can i ask if you are pro/anti the accelerated decay argument?
12:12:01 mircea_popescu: no rush.
12:12:09 mircea_popescu: never mind me, argue it for itself.
12:12:22 los_pantalones: yeah, of course, was curious
12:12:38 mircea_popescu: i can see either side.
12:12:43 los_pantalones: k
12:13:16 los_pantalones: that brk_a settles in march 2015 ?
12:13:43 mircea_popescu: Resolution:
12:13:43 mircea_popescu: in 11 months 6 days (17-03-2015)
12:13:51 los_pantalones: tanks
12:14:16 mircea_popescu: a good approach, perhaps, would be to create a class of similar bets and follow them over the history of brk.a
12:14:30 mircea_popescu: to leverage the fact that we have a 50 year history of price signal in that asset.
12:15:17 los_pantalones: i was going to find the optimal time to bet
12:15:37 los_pantalones: and see if that would critically impact other prior bets
12:15:40 mircea_popescu: or thay
12:15:45 mircea_popescu: that*
12:17:05 los_pantalones: k, thanks for the 60 minutes of fun
12:17:29 mircea_popescu: !up dvsdude
12:17:43 dvsdude: ty
12:17:45 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you see that ? "thanks for the 60 minutes of fun" the man says. why can't you be more like that!
12:18:54 ozbot: IRS Seizing Tax Refunds of Children, Grandchildren Over Parents' Decades-Old Debts | Fox News Inside
12:18:58 mircea_popescu: in other news.
12:19:35 BingoBoingo: Well, there's also the standoff in Utah between government forces and a local militia
12:20:00 BingoBoingo: but I think asciilifeform posted that this weekend
12:20:53 mircea_popescu: yeah, didn't the blm leave ?
12:21:07 ozbot: Cliven Bundy: Feds halt Nevada cattle seizure.
12:21:23 BingoBoingo: Looks like it, or at least they are "pausing" it
12:21:50 mircea_popescu: it's what i'd do too. if the guy takes the cattle away, problem solved. if he doesn't, then by definition they'll still be there,
12:22:01 mircea_popescu: can resume at a later time, when teh people have had time to grind themselves down.
12:22:14 BingoBoingo: Yeah
12:22:20 mircea_popescu: not that it'll work, but that's the very substance of statal collapse : reasonable measures no longer actually work.
12:22:53 BingoBoingo: At least it is a very different thing so far than what would have happened in the 90's
12:23:05 mircea_popescu: very. cause everyone is comparing it to the waco thing.
12:23:21 mircea_popescu: well... there were no thousands of armed people marching on waco from six states
12:23:30 mircea_popescu: and the texas governor wasn't going omgwtfbbq at the feds.
12:23:39 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, that WAS the end of the atf.
12:23:45 BingoBoingo: Well, prolly Ruby Ridge
12:23:58 *: danielpbarron has been to Waco
12:24:32 mircea_popescu: during ? or after ?
12:25:01 BingoBoingo: I'm just thinking that this thing started with one dude and cows as opposed to an entire group of dudes.
12:25:14 danielpbarron: after
12:25:40 danielpbarron: i visited a different false church that was coincidentally located in Waco
12:26:28 BingoBoingo: Waco's a pretty big town
12:26:40 mircea_popescu: well i never been to waco
12:26:49 mircea_popescu: so do people there call each other "you waco" ?
12:27:52 danielpbarron: no, the people there are pretty much the same as anywhere else
12:28:00 danielpbarron: stupid
12:28:09 mircea_popescu: stupid smelly an slow
12:28:35 BingoBoingo: If only Waco was pronounced as a homophone for Whacko
12:34:07 joecool: english is flexible, make it so
12:35:12 BingoBoingo: English may be rather flexible, but Texas is less so
12:35:50 mircea_popescu: lol zing
12:41:06 BingoBoingo: !up los_pantalones
12:48:30 pankkake: argh, inconsistent usage of spaces around parenthesis
12:48:38 pankkake: the "flagman"? lol
12:48:46 fluffypony: "THE FIRST CRYPTOGRAPHIC SYSTEM WITH ABSOLUTE STABILITY"
12:48:53 fluffypony: because GPG is super unstable
12:49:26 pankkake: apparently "PGP" is an algorithm. it's next to "RSA"
12:50:11 fluffypony: I bet that was written by robwhizz22
12:51:14 pankkake: http://firstname.lastname@example.org/msg20573.html oh apparently you can use ECDSA with GPG!
12:51:14 ozbot: Re: Elliptic curves in gnupg status?(ECC support)
12:51:27 mircea_popescu: da fuck is "absolute stability" supposed to be ?
12:51:45 mircea_popescu: "After the scandal around the National Security Agency (NSA ) of the USA and after revelations of the ex-agent of CIA Edward Snowden it became known that NSA can crack cryptoprotection of Internet communications. "
12:51:47 mircea_popescu: ok nm.
12:51:58 BingoBoingo: Absolute stability prolly means the private key is always the same
12:52:16 fluffypony: "Absolutely stability cryptographic system – it’s a system that CAN BE DECIPHERED NEVER AND BY NOBODY AT ANY LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT OF A SCIENCE AND COMPUTER FACILITIES (it can’t be cracked even with the help of supercomputers, for example – with the use of the developed quantum computer, even if it is completely developed in the future, because the RMX protection system is released on a new class of mathematical functions unknown to moder
12:52:16 fluffypony: science)"
12:52:21 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Shannon level information security is hard
12:52:26 mircea_popescu: da fuck, if you're gonna refer to unrelated matters in your captatio, at least get the facts straight. snowden was a contractor not an agent.
12:52:47 mircea_popescu: fluffypony oh that ? the greeks had it. here's an example :
12:53:02 mircea_popescu: Ξ
12:53:11 mircea_popescu: you'll never be able to decypher what i meant by that. ever.
12:54:03 ThickAsThieves: ah mp, i just sent a ;;later tell, forgetting the user list is reordered by +
12:54:21 ThickAsThieves: does that mean you dont get it til signing off and on again?
12:54:46 pankkake: ;;notes
12:54:51 pankkake: ;;more
12:55:09 ThickAsThieves: ;;email
12:55:14 ThickAsThieves: !email
12:55:18 ThickAsThieves: $email
12:55:18 pankkake: $email
12:55:27 mircea_popescu: and in the same vein : http://fraudsters.com/2009/mi-a-venit-o-idee-extraordinara/
12:55:42 mircea_popescu: it's been an open challenge to my readers for 5 years now, to crack that shit.
12:55:45 Anduck: what is the service?
12:55:53 ThickAsThieves: a joke
12:55:58 danielpbarron: nice
12:56:13 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, next gribble sees me speak.
12:57:34 dexX7: ;;notes help
12:58:04 mircea_popescu: lol mirceau
12:58:10 mircea_popescu: ;;notes mirceau_popescu
12:58:30 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03u dood, there's no u in mircea
12:58:39 mircea_popescu: ;;notes MmmmYah
12:58:50 dexX7: where do those notes come from?
12:58:52 mircea_popescu: ;;notes princessnell
12:59:03 mircea_popescu: ahaha! check out the GRIBBLE HEARTBLEED
12:59:05 pankkake: oh you can see them that way… I know I missed one with a typo and it must have expired
12:59:25 ThickAsThieves: lol
12:59:29 pankkake: ;;notes later
12:59:36 ThickAsThieves: the gribble dribble!
12:59:40 mircea_popescu: lol
13:00:17 ThickAsThieves: imagine all the scandal we missed in the past
13:00:45 TestingUnoDosTre: Mirceauauu, could I'm a professional reporter from blog XYZ, could I speak with you privately? It's urgent
13:09:01 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre orly.
13:20:04 jurov: fluffypony: is the squatter doing anytihng interesting?
13:26:32 fluffypony: jurov: he was hurling insults at Ssateneth for kbanning him
13:26:34 fluffypony: but other than that, no
13:33:45 mircea_popescu: !up Skirmant
13:41:31 mircea_popescu: and now for mah favourite part of the day : the reading of the logs!
13:43:15 mircea_popescu: artifexd it's an educated guess, like anything else. the educated part is significant, but i've not published it. it's a complicated thing, this. i tend to readily publish the dirt on actors when they fuck up, like the sec misadventure. but it's kind-of unsportsmanlike to do the same when they're just acting rationally. anyway, complicated matter.
13:43:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ << this, you'll probably appreciate.
13:46:34 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
13:50:48 mircea_popescu: !up jadne
13:51:00 mircea_popescu: anyone remembers how registering with gribble actually works ?
13:51:04 mircea_popescu: i've pretty much forgotten
13:51:25 kakobrekla: ;;eregister
13:51:52 mircea_popescu: ;;more
13:52:01 mircea_popescu: jadne ^
13:53:13 jadne: thx
13:53:42 dexX7: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566626.msg6184795#msg6184795 cold storage dildo/plug x_x
13:53:44 ozbot: A sneak peak at the future of Bitcoin Cold Storage
13:53:55 mircea_popescu: haha srsly ?
13:54:31 dexX7: it's real
13:54:43 mircea_popescu: dexX7 tell crazy rabbit to come over will ya
13:54:53 mircea_popescu: ima sponsor his thing
13:54:59 dexX7: hahaha really?
13:55:09 mircea_popescu: too good to pass
13:56:35 dexX7: msg sent
13:56:56 mircea_popescu: pankkake you doing that imgboard yet ?
14:02:19 nubbins`: neat device
14:02:35 nubbins`: ^ so much work for two words ;(
14:02:54 mircea_popescu: lol
14:03:05 mircea_popescu: dude it tokk you what, a minute ?
14:03:20 mircea_popescu: that's like... a quarter ?
14:04:17 ozbot: Bitcloud
14:05:05 mircea_popescu: bounce youre trolling right ?
14:05:36 bounce: apparently they've been at it for months, not getting anywhere, and now are looking for funding?
14:05:52 nubbins`: 50 seconds ;(
14:05:58 nubbins`: my time is precious D;
14:06:07 mircea_popescu: "I'll be making money in the form of a small percentage of grid income, since I will establish myself as an active and effective grid owner of one of the most advanced grids out there. Maybe I'll also have a few DA's that are easily supported by the Bitcloud platform, too."
14:06:26 mircea_popescu: wait, no submarines ? i liked the submarines and dukedoms and reversed true/false numeric values idea better
14:06:42 Anduck: their faq doesnt work
14:06:43 mircea_popescu: this is just watered down what'shisname
14:06:45 nubbins`: lel, +0
14:06:50 mircea_popescu: !up zoinky
14:06:54 nubbins`: (see what i did there?)
14:07:15 bounce: +0 and -0, 'cuz all you need is the sign, right?
14:07:17 jurov: you mean urbait?
14:07:22 mircea_popescu: urbit there we go
14:07:43 mircea_popescu: the only project in history to have actually fielded leaky submarines.
14:07:47 mircea_popescu: imagine the fun on board!
14:08:20 bounce: did urbit make it to the bbc, boing boing, something I can't decipher, wired, el grauniad, AND tech radar?
14:08:46 mircea_popescu: lol. i see what you did there!
14:08:58 mircea_popescu: but srsly, it had splendid media exposure. pretty much anyone who's someone in it had heard of it.
14:09:17 mircea_popescu: in that respect gotta hand it to the guy : one of the best launches i've seen.
14:09:41 mircea_popescu: that's rare. competent marketer that for some incomprehensible reason figures he's a thinking man.
14:09:48 *: bounce did a quick search on log., didn't turn up much.
14:10:45 bounce: so hire'im on condition he only thinks about marketeering, and leaves the other pretense at the door.
14:11:07 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#473636
14:11:09 mircea_popescu: like that ?
14:11:11 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
14:11:27 mircea_popescu: bounce too drunk on his own farts to be hireable.
14:12:45 joecool: hm cloud to butt really improves this log
14:12:51 joecool: 03:27:08herbijudlestoids:bitbutt has nothing.
14:12:52 joecool: 03:27:19mircea_popescu:but bitbutt has bit and butt
14:13:13 joecool: goes along with the farts
14:14:23 kakobrekla: <dexX7> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566626.msg6184795#msg6184795 cold storage dildo/plug x_x
14:14:30 kakobrekla: is this really a dildo?
14:14:40 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla for loose women.
14:14:45 kakobrekla: i dont understand that device at all
14:14:52 kakobrekla: it shines but where are the keys ?
14:15:00 mircea_popescu: upup
14:15:03 mircea_popescu: indabutt
14:15:03 dexX7: there is a nfc chip inside
14:15:06 bounce: apparently my google-fu is lacking. anyway, $source thinks they need to go down before they manage to rake in funding. that'd be the message.
14:15:27 mircea_popescu: bounce that didn't parse
14:15:46 jurov: someone actually acted on the hookers+microphone proposal?
14:16:04 jurov: as in, the dildo must actually be used when signing the tx?
14:16:32 jurov: I APPROVE
14:16:41 mircea_popescu: "here's this bit of plastic. make it orgasm, you may spend your bitcoin. otherwise... make someone else orgasm, spend their bitcoin"
14:16:44 mircea_popescu: radical whoredom.
14:16:54 dexX7: i think it's more like "store your key, come back later, restore key"
14:17:09 mircea_popescu: wait. to restore means to store again or to unstore ?!
14:17:43 bounce: "retrieve coins" would be the point, I suppose. which apparently involves destroying the thing.
14:18:17 dexX7: :D
14:18:21 dexX7: it means this thing does not sign anything
14:18:51 mircea_popescu: you know, lulz and jokes aside, a permanent insertion is fucking uncomfortable.
14:19:27 TestingUnoDosTre: So does it generate a tx when broken, or does I have some wallet file stored inside?
14:20:06 mircea_popescu: seems to me like it's a normal usb stick encased in a plastic frame
14:20:23 dexX7: replace usb with nfc and plastic with glass
14:20:32 mircea_popescu: mine's cheaper.
14:20:39 dexX7: probably not as shiny
14:21:22 TestingUnoDosTre: I can smash your usb and gain access to your bitcoins!? Now that's a true brute force
14:21:42 mircea_popescu: first you gotta ravish her couch
14:21:44 mircea_popescu: cooch*
14:22:33 TestingUnoDosTre: With the device? If so, usb probly is more secure
14:22:54 mircea_popescu: i guess the next logical step is silicone implants
14:23:09 mircea_popescu: ultimate saving device : you will take thoise out once you're old.
14:23:16 mircea_popescu: at which point, your bitcoin savings become spendable.
14:25:16 TestingUnoDosTre: Now that's something I would invest in
14:26:10 mircea_popescu: srsly. this really should be part of obamacare. any woman over 30 may get her tits fixed, take the stuff out upon retirement.
14:27:45 TestingUnoDosTre: Over 30? That seems a little steep
14:28:18 mircea_popescu: why ?
14:28:36 mircea_popescu: dub actually romania had a seismologist who went on tv and predicted an earthquake. fucking panic ensued
14:28:42 mircea_popescu: then no earthquake.
14:29:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wheat << neato.
14:29:38 mircea_popescu: i am going to explain EVERYTHING(tm) before i'm done, i tell you.
14:30:19 mircea_popescu: or at least make such a complete mess of everything nobody'll be able to entangle it and everyone'll just move on to another language.
14:30:30 mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, has already happened numerous times in history)
14:30:57 TestingUnoDosTre: And then acronyms came and fixed it all
14:32:14 mircea_popescu: Indubitably Necessarily Definitely Exactly Exactly Definitely.
14:33:09 mircea_popescu: artifexd:
14:33:09 mircea_popescu: Here, mircea and I should not exist in the same caste. I'm just a normal dude. He's a Romanian Billionare. WITH A B! I can conceive of no reason that someone that high up the food chain would give two shits about what I think or why I think it. << it's the internet, dood. why else did you think it was revolutionary ?
14:33:46 TestingUnoDosTre: Because it haz cat pix
14:33:47 bounce: so, egalite for everyone?
14:34:37 mircea_popescu: bounce no, but we can still talk. either are excesses : omg can't talk to no-one except other rear admirals / omg everyone i talk to is exactly like me. middle fucking bitcoineus i say!
14:37:13 mircea_popescu: artifexd: Because, seriously, who the fuck am I? << you were here at the right time lol. what the fuck do you imagine a barony is ? exactly that, review the early english history :D
14:37:29 bounce: "we're not worthy!" qv. wayne's world.
14:38:16 mircea_popescu: i don't think i saw wayne's world
14:39:57 bounce: apropos, that nurture-not-nature for elitism argument isn't very well developed. nice examples, but I don't see'em supporting the premise.
14:40:44 mircea_popescu: do you understand the difference between a good and a not so good bug report ?
14:42:28 bounce: :-)
14:46:42 nubbins`: some years ago, a "seer" predicted a huge tsunami would hit here
14:46:50 nubbins`: everyone went down to the waterfront to watch it come in ;(
14:47:01 mircea_popescu: lol
14:47:30 mike_c: !up los_pantalones
14:48:03 mike_c: los_pantalones: if you're working on that, something that I have always felt about exponential time decay is that it is really no better than just closing the bet early.
14:48:16 mike_c: so if you can disprove that, it would be interesting.
14:49:36 mike_c: !up peterl
14:49:57 bounce: afraid I'm gonna have to do a writeup. n'mind until then.
14:50:20 mircea_popescu: bounce publish on your blog, link to the offensive thing, omfg we're creating value out of nowhere!
14:51:13 peterl: There are probably different results if the resolution date is known (like X will win on such date) vs bets with unknown and possibly early resolving dates (like X will stay above Y until such date)
14:51:53 peterl: you might need two separate mathematical models to analyse the two different types of bets?
14:53:32 mircea_popescu: peterl prolly.
15:04:39 los_pantalones: up!
15:04:55 los_pantalones: mike_c can you close a bet on bitbet?
15:04:58 los_pantalones: you have to take the other side
15:05:04 los_pantalones: and both your bets sit in escrow
15:05:06 los_pantalones: until resolution
15:05:08 los_pantalones: right?
15:05:13 mike_c: right
15:05:21 los_pantalones: so, there is opportunity cost
15:05:37 los_pantalones: traditionally, closing your bet would give you all your money back
15:05:44 los_pantalones: so i would venture to guess you are right
15:05:50 los_pantalones: but in this case there is a penalty to closing your bet
15:05:53 los_pantalones: in added margining
15:06:25 los_pantalones: i haven't bet anything on bitbet yet so if i sound like a total idiot, i'm sorry
15:06:37 los_pantalones: just started looking into it and was trying to get my head around some of the bigger bets
15:06:44 mike_c: not sure what you mean by traditionally. generally in betting you can only close your bet by taking the other side
15:06:54 mike_c: like getting a middle in sports betting
15:07:18 los_pantalones: i only know financial and phys commodities markets
15:07:32 los_pantalones: in which case you have no position on and all your cash
15:07:37 los_pantalones: to reinvest / spend elsewhere
15:07:50 mike_c: yes, this is different because you can't sell a position.
15:07:54 los_pantalones: right
15:08:08 los_pantalones: so there is a big opportunity cost of taking the other side
15:08:29 los_pantalones: wouldn't that also increase liquidity on the other side of the bet
15:08:38 los_pantalones: perhaps incenting more players
15:08:50 los_pantalones: thus decreasing your payout
15:08:56 los_pantalones: is it equiv? are you still flat?
15:09:02 los_pantalones: or can someone expose you by betting later?
15:09:22 los_pantalones: do you have to constantly reweight the size of your other side ?
15:09:46 mike_c: i would think that would be the case. i would welcome an analysis of that topic with numbers and examples :)
15:09:54 kakobrekla: <mike_c> yes, this is different because you can't sell a position. < its taking awfully long for someone to code that.
15:10:03 los_pantalones: ok
15:10:10 TestingUnoDosTre: Oooh reselling bitbet positions, I like this idea
15:10:26 mike_c: bitbet is fertile ground for add-on projects.
15:21:18 ozbot: bitstamp - API woes
15:21:20 kakobrekla: lol
15:21:57 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-discreet-escort-or-how-bitcoin-makes-prostitution-unprosecutable/ ask and ye shall receive.
15:22:11 kakobrekla: >API calls are returning a captcha page. Regular visits to the site do so as well, but unlike me, my bot is unable to solve the captcha on its own.
15:23:19 mircea_popescu: "Why run an API through Incapsula?"
15:23:26 mircea_popescu: i think the answer is self-oblivious.
15:24:26 mircea_popescu: !up arizona
15:26:47 mike_c: the mediawiki scammers have bots that solve captcha. apparently that is more important than bitstamp.
15:30:28 mircea_popescu: mike_c or more widely deployed
15:30:47 arizona: Hello?
15:30:54 kakobrekla: yes, this is dog.
15:31:27 arizona: Thank you
15:31:28 mircea_popescu: are you a hot blonde with a sister whose name is alabama and was played by patricia arquette in tarantino's movie ?
15:32:36 arizona: Oh, no. LOL.
15:32:46 thestringpuller: dog, this is cat, i have some bad news.
15:33:14 mircea_popescu: a well. wrong arizona then :p
15:33:50 benkay: Namworld:Assuming Karpeles doesn't get to keep his 100k that he "also lost" << oh, he will. "what bitcoins?"
15:33:50 arizona: I don't say much here. I enjoy reading and learning. I like your columns, Mr. Popescu. You are a very good writer.
15:34:28 mircea_popescu: why ty.
15:35:21 *: mircea_popescu pets dog & gives it a cookie
15:36:00 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre: Does mp use bitstamp? << naw.
15:36:26 mircea_popescu: also, atc is a currency.
15:36:39 mircea_popescu: unlike bitcoin, which is not. complicated shit.
15:38:05 thestringpuller: benkay: bitcoin isn't a currency anymore?
15:38:08 thestringpuller: oops
15:38:15 thestringpuller: @ mircea_popescu **
15:39:01 mircea_popescu: not anymore than chocolate gold coins
15:39:18 thestringpuller: what makes atc a currency then?
15:39:28 BingoBoingo: Magic
15:40:32 thestringpuller: oh boy i love magic
15:41:22 mircea_popescu: Namworld:Depends on the sort of capital they have. Gox's name isn't what's doomed. << you gotta be kiddin' me.
15:41:31 mircea_popescu: !up justusranvier
15:43:29 mircea_popescu: "Is this still being mined.... I mined it when it had a coingen.io logo still and No source hahahaha"
15:43:39 mircea_popescu: lol. longest lived altcoin in history ?
15:44:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you makin' a killing on this thing yet ? :D
15:44:43 Apocalyptic: I heard the price is up 50% from last week, he better :)
15:44:50 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not a killing, but steady incremental gains
15:44:57 mircea_popescu: even better.
15:46:00 BingoBoingo: I've just been locking the price into a range I find sustainable and magic happens
15:48:33 benkay: why is altcoin a currency and bitcoin not?
15:49:04 mike_c: my take: altcoin is made for spending, bitcoin is made for storing wealth.
15:51:50 mircea_popescu: benkay i'm just being steganographical. see because sometimes the things i say are in reality secret messages for uknown third parties according to secret schemes of encoding and so forth.
15:51:56 mircea_popescu: !up kill-9all
15:53:23 danielpbarron: IRS says BTC isn't a currency so that's that
15:53:24 mircea_popescu: in other news,
15:53:25 ozbot: Havelock police bust party, charge mother, teens with alcohol offenses - Local News - The Havelock N
15:55:22 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
15:55:35 danielpbarron: "The juveniles told the officers that there was a party that was out of control and people were drinking and smoking weed" NARCS!
15:55:42 benkay: why is it crashing?
15:56:05 benkay: whatever happened to 'cops are coming - run!'
15:56:07 benkay: ?
15:56:30 thestringpuller: money i$ king
15:59:25 mircea_popescu: "VCs plow $46 million more into writing community Wattpad --> it's like Youtube for stories"
15:59:30 mircea_popescu: holy shit.
15:59:30 TestingUnoDosTre: Haha marijuana in the toilet bowl. Gotta torch the evidence, newbies
15:59:36 mircea_popescu: it's like canning for farts.
15:59:56 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre they were prolly doing bath salts
16:01:24 TestingUnoDosTre: Fun fact: someone I know sent to a dispensary in Denver that sold bath salts, but the cashier had to warn" not the ones you're thinking of"
16:01:32 mircea_popescu: so citi conference call, all they want to talk about is how they're cutting costs.
16:01:51 mircea_popescu: fucking kiss of death, this, only commodified businesses have the time. finance is dead.
16:03:32 thestringpuller: ^- well that's good to hear no?
16:04:15 mircea_popescu: depends. not if you're invested in citi.
16:04:30 mircea_popescu: in other-other news, the us preparing for electricity rationing :
16:04:31 ozbot: It's way too easy to cause a massive blackout in the US - Vox
16:04:51 mircea_popescu: it's gonna be a long hot summer boys and girls. no better way to get the masses to believe in global warming than keeping them without ac for a summer.
16:05:08 mircea_popescu: likely to hit the south the worst, too, which is ideal on at least two counts.
16:05:55 TestingUnoDosTre: Why so?
16:05:57 benkay: a sniper opened fire on an electric(al) substation?
16:06:02 benkay: dude.
16:06:03 benkay: no.
16:06:13 benkay: okay i get journos are tarded.
16:06:17 benkay: get it
16:06:30 fluffypony: the Electricity Ninja cometh...
16:06:39 benkay: oh god vox.com
16:07:11 danielpbarron: i prefer to go without AC; I like being out in the sun while the summer lasts
16:07:29 danielpbarron: but i'm in "the north," so that's easier for me to say
16:08:13 ozbot: OPERATION MUTUAL AID
16:08:20 mircea_popescu: s/1/s/
16:08:35 bounce: what was it again, guaranteed (low) prices for consumers and "free market" stupidity for suppliers, in california, that led to under-investing in infrastructure and utilities basically bleeding themselves dry, leading to years to come full of brownouts and blackouts
16:09:24 mircea_popescu: something like that.
16:09:35 Apocalyptic: <benkay> a sniper opened fire on an electric(al) substation? << sounds legit
16:09:48 mircea_popescu: plus absurdistan ecological regulations, like being criminally responsible for birds flying into your intake vents
16:09:53 benkay: coulda sworn it was assault rifles Apocalyptic
16:09:57 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic this was an actual event btw.
16:09:59 bounce: you really need no "sniper" people (or just people with a fork lift driving into a high voltage mast, as happened elsewhere) for an unstable grid. politicians will do just fine.
16:10:08 benkay: and at close range
16:10:22 mircea_popescu: it was assault rifles, and at close range.
16:10:25 benkay: (how the fuck do you snipe *anything* inside a substation - lines of sight have to be like 20ft max)
16:10:40 mircea_popescu: they're conveniently forgetting to mention the ominous part where the attackers disabled the security with minimal, expert moves.
16:10:52 bounce: assault rifles are still a bit of a poor choice. wrenches do better.
16:11:04 bounce: or squirrels, for that matter.
16:11:05 mircea_popescu: bounce how so ? do the energy calc.
16:11:21 mircea_popescu: or you mean "wrenches" as in, "lengths of chain"
16:11:43 ozbot: General Discussion
16:11:45 benkay: i want a bitmilitia.
16:12:18 bounce: or that. anything to cause a nice electrical fire. bullets have a harder time there, despite their awesome speed. substations are like that.
16:12:20 ozbot: Sun-Times kills comments until it can fix ‘morass of negativity, racism, and hate speech’ | Poyn
16:12:29 mircea_popescu: herpy derp. how about fixing butthurt.
16:12:42 Apocalyptic: too much butts to fix
16:12:49 mircea_popescu: bounce not really. all the bullet needs to do is perforate the coolant room. anywhere.
16:12:57 mircea_popescu: the thing goes offline w/o coolant.
16:13:55 mircea_popescu: and because of ecological concerns, old style coolant mixtures that were azerotropic were replaced with new, more expensive formulations. a punctured coolant room means you have to empty, was and refill.
16:14:00 mircea_popescu: you cant just top up and seal.
16:15:10 bounce: hm. burned to the ground or shut down by regulations. alright, the red tape wins.
16:15:12 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i wonder if they'll do a wot-based +m :D
16:15:30 mircea_popescu: bounce it's not trivial to actually burn down a modern transformer.
16:16:40 Apocalyptic: mircea, prolly not :)
16:17:19 TestingUnoDosTre: There IS more than meets the eye
16:17:24 mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy, "this newspaper closed until we can find some not-retartded people to read it"
16:18:22 bounce: I'm reminded of the register, where they used to moderate each and every comment, and then gradually lifted the requirement. they have a reasonably vibrant commenter community, without requiring facebook or real names or what-have-you.
16:19:24 mircea_popescu: i still think discussion is impossible absent identity.
16:19:38 mircea_popescu: it doesn't have to be "real", because wtf is that real mean, but it does have to be identity.
16:20:05 benkay: disqus: your friendly omnicient identity broker.
16:20:20 mircea_popescu: hardly.
16:20:22 mircea_popescu: "The magazine couldn?t afford moderators, as many news organizations can?t." herp.
16:20:39 mircea_popescu: but if you can't afford what you need, isn't that an indication that you shouldn't be doing what you're doing ?
16:20:40 TestingUnoDosTre: Or editors for that matter
16:20:44 mircea_popescu: why do people's brains not work ?
16:20:58 bounce: there's places that allow 'true' unnamed discussion and have it work fine, too
16:21:20 mircea_popescu: 4chan ?
16:21:34 mircea_popescu: only one i can think of. and the definition of "fine" must be pretty... broad.
16:21:58 mircea_popescu: (read that again. fine = pretty broad. jesus i fucking love myself har har har)
16:22:18 ozbot: New SIPRI data: Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia dramatically increase arms spending.
16:22:43 mircea_popescu: ouch. wasn't china already spending a lot ?
16:22:47 danielpbarron: heh
16:23:06 bounce: not just 4chan. slashdot is another
16:23:28 BingoBoingo: Yeah
16:23:38 BingoBoingo: Now it is a lot-er
16:24:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and the thing is, god help you if you sell the chinese golden toilets. afaik nobody got shot when it was discovered haliburton "misplaced" 1 bn in the various senatorial etc campaign slushfunds in iraq
16:25:06 mircea_popescu: yet the chinese routinely shoot people for 1mn
16:28:45 TestingUnoDosTre: Maybe even 1 mn yen
16:29:23 bounce: interesting to see the differences. as an up-and-coming empire they're occasionally serious about appearing to be a functional government (as well as not that respectful of human life; they feel they have too many people running around already), where the US, er, works a bit differently.
16:41:24 TestingUnoDosTre: My bank claims to use no openNESS. Any easy way to verify this claim?
16:45:43 mike_c: test its servers for heartbleed?
16:46:53 mircea_popescu: bounce the little known fact is that china was always the world's empire.
16:47:05 mircea_popescu: what the us pretends for itself, china has been, for the past ~5000 years
16:47:20 mircea_popescu: with temporary century-long interruptions due to invasions and whatnot. it always reverted.
16:47:48 benkay: everything oscillates. there is no such thing as steady state in natural systems.
16:48:15 mircea_popescu: sure there is. the steady state of humans is being dead.
16:48:21 benkay: pff
16:48:23 benkay: decomposition
16:48:26 mircea_popescu: the steady state of planet earth is china being teh world empire
16:48:37 benkay: for a century at a time with interruptions
16:48:43 benkay: doesn't sound so steady to me
16:48:46 mircea_popescu: benkay no but on the naively nominalist view that "you" existed sincer forever and will exist forever. soul or w/e.
16:49:10 benkay: just a mass of undifferentiated atoms banging off each other
16:49:29 mircea_popescu: in that physicalist view you'll have trouble showing people even exist at all.
16:49:30 benkay: don't bring that mystical claptrap around here
16:49:44 benkay: yeah well what is a people?
16:49:54 benkay: does free agency exist?
16:51:02 mircea_popescu: or in the words of tornatore (uomo delle stelle), "e il mondo vero, or solo per finta ?"
16:51:16 mircea_popescu: which incidentally is a great film.
16:52:12 bounce: china was always quite a lot self-centered. this appears to be a bit less the case of late.
16:52:34 mircea_popescu: maybe. hard to tell really.
16:53:33 TestingUnoDosTre: Translate the tornatore
16:54:25 jurov: bounce they need to secure oil and other supplies from others
16:54:26 mircea_popescu: is the world for real, or just pretense ?
16:54:46 bounce: it's all make believe whichever way you look at it
16:55:04 bounce: doesn't stop shit from getting real, though
16:55:31 TestingUnoDosTre: Hahaha
16:55:33 mircea_popescu: bounce guy saying is a shepherd.
16:56:03 benkay: well the things are real. the constructs i wrap around them are just figments of my own mind.
16:56:05 mircea_popescu: who doesn't think farmers understand, because for shephers... c'e diverso. e con le stelle, uno puo parlare.
16:59:45 bounce: I think I'm missing context here.
17:00:30 bounce: anyway, china going communist has, well, at least given a different flavour to the thing. wonder if and when they're going to do something about that
17:01:01 mircea_popescu: i don't think they were ever anything else.
17:01:32 mircea_popescu: buncha equal peons, and the emperor drunk out of his mind. between these, a bureaucracy, completely arbitrarily "educated" by rote.
17:01:41 mircea_popescu: this has been china for pretty much the entire interval
17:01:58 mircea_popescu: even things the russians mistake for "slav spirit" are about as chinese as it can be.
17:02:08 mircea_popescu: the mir is definitely stolen from them
17:02:49 bounce: you're saying that communism has turned out irrelevant to the chinese
17:03:06 mircea_popescu: sorta like rice flavouring.
17:03:10 mircea_popescu: they were eating rice anyway.
17:03:15 mircea_popescu: rice flavoured rice is like...
17:04:55 bounce: they did used to have technology, like that earthquake detector, that they subsequently forgot how to make work. bit sloppy for a state to forget its own achievements, and not even the excuse of getting toppled and replaced
17:05:15 mircea_popescu: what's this ? the sheep bladder system ?
17:06:22 bounce: wooden octagonal thingy with stone balls, IIRC
17:08:11 ozbot: Norwegian Fisherman Discovers Dildo Inside Cod Stomach
17:08:20 ozbot: Sir Bedevere (Character) - Quotes
17:08:49 mircea_popescu: lol. think of the implications had they discovered it in the cod's tail rather than stomach.
17:10:11 TestingUnoDosTre: He found a cold storage wallet!?!
17:10:31 mircea_popescu: a cod storage wallet.
17:15:12 ozbot: Rotterdams meisje opgepakt na twitteren over aanslag | RTL Nieuws
17:15:21 BingoBoingo: 14 year old was arrested for tweets
17:16:04 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "If I believe at any point there is value or use in them I can just… take… them. If experience is any guide, I shall take them the next day" << do you reccommend that as a general strategy?
17:16:45 dexX7: tweet to american airlines: "Hi my name is Ibrahim and I am from Afghanistan I am part of al-Qaeda, and on June 1, I'm going to do something really big day. . "
17:17:49 pankkake: all tweets should be illegal anyway. also http://slashdot.org/story/14/04/14/0122203/44-of-twitter-users-have-never-tweeted
17:18:30 bounce: the great unwashed and shutting up. there's an idea. though we'd be left with spambots. indiscernible, perhaps, but not an improvement.
17:21:48 asciilifeform: lolz, i get up for half a day and come back to 'btc arsesafe is actual product'
17:26:32 asciilifeform: ;;google rectal houdini
17:27:19 pankkake: I think I saw a butt plug where you could store things
17:27:43 pankkake: or maybe you can commission the rosebud guy
17:28:13 rithm: 100% assanine
17:28:42 pankkake: mircea_popescu: about the image board thing, I don't know if there is an actual demand. I'll see how expensive (in terms of maintenance) it is in the coming days
17:30:04 pankkake: apparently danny let a cat die
17:33:18 asciilifeform: lolmatic:
17:43:19 asciilifeform: re: 'code thief' - when people say, 'X can also have problems,' that doesn't necessarily mean 'car bomb.' it can also look like this.
17:45:44 thestringpuller: ;;calc ( 0.00096593 - 0.00095473 ) / 0.00096593
17:46:09 thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
18:10:06 ozbot: Oberlin Debates Wisdom of Trigger Warnings on Every Last Thing
18:21:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the simplest test of rng bias involves exactly this kind of calculation
18:21:53 asciilifeform: 'monte carlo pi'
18:22:35 asciilifeform: and doesn't everyone remember calculating pi this way, by throwing stones in a chalk circle in square, in grade school ?
18:22:47 BingoBoingo: Indeed. It is simply amazing though that it can be done with off the shelf equipment from Walmart's sporting goods section
18:22:57 mike_c: no. where did you go to grade school?
18:23:23 asciilifeform: usa, dc area
18:23:29 asciilifeform: for 3rd grade and up
18:23:34 asciilifeform: even here they have chalk.
18:23:38 asciilifeform: and a yard
18:24:05 mike_c: i don't think i knew what pi was in 3rd grade. maybe my memory is faulty.
18:24:25 asciilifeform: it wasn't part of the curriculum, as far as i recall
18:24:31 asciilifeform: but chalk was permitted
18:26:05 BingoBoingo: Really this is just the case of doing something already know yet forgotten and presenting it as a new scoop.
18:26:21 asciilifeform: ;;google asimov feeling of power
18:34:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think this is probably your strongest case for why x86 has to die
18:35:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ?
18:38:03 BingoBoingo: Well, how much of computing has already been forgotten from things alledging to be curriculums.
18:38:13 BingoBoingo: on the subject
18:39:36 BingoBoingo: Java programmers who merely stitch together libraries and want embeded chips capable of running Java when a Z80 would be fine
18:42:49 FabianB: .d
18:44:03 FabianB: ;;bc,stats
18:55:47 TestingUnoDosTre: That's not the real Timothy B Lee, right?
18:56:57 TestingUnoDosTre: Ahh it's just some knockoff arstechnica writer
18:58:15 TestingUnoDosTre: Was worried the world wide web was invented by a guy that just recently wants to format an opinion on password managers. Phew
19:02:55 BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Yeah
19:05:26 TestingUnoDosTre: Funny comment from the pi calculation slashdot article" Goddamn mathematician wasting precious ammunition to have a statistics wank-fest after MY goddamn zombie apocalypse?
19:05:26 TestingUnoDosTre: I'd put a random distribution of holes in his worthless head!
19:05:26 TestingUnoDosTre: "
19:28:53 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
19:52:25 artifexd: BingoBoingo: Did you write that? ;)
19:53:22 artifexd: What happened to ozbot?
19:54:36 mike_c: !up ozbot
19:54:54 artifexd: It isn't even in the channel
19:55:05 mike_c: it got pissed about the new elitism.
19:55:38 artifexd: Maybe it should be renamed to Marvin
19:55:45 artifexd: !up mjr_
19:56:55 fluffypony: any recommendations for a reasonable VPS provider that won't throw a tantrum if I run a bitcoin node? DigitalOcean want me to provide DNA samples and ownership of my unborn child to allow me to create a new VPS (despite having two hosted with them for the past 18 months)
19:56:58 BingoBoingo: artifexd: I did not.
19:57:11 pankkake: fluffypony: EDIS
19:57:23 artifexd: I knew that. It just seemed like something you would write. Anti-CA and all.
19:57:41 fluffypony: pankkake: had an average-ish experience with them a while back, will give them another spin
19:58:37 BingoBoingo: artifexd: Well, I probably would have opened it a bit differently.
20:00:02 BingoBoingo: I wonder when someone will release a "Vaxberry Pi" credit card sized vax board
20:00:28 BingoBoingo: (or other older architectures would be welcome)
20:01:46 fluffypony: ooooh, a credit card sized C64 would be magic
20:02:50 jurov: fluffypony, gandi?
20:03:35 fluffypony: jurov: didn't even know they have a VPS offering
20:03:36 fluffypony: sweet
20:04:14 benkay: if you're not planning to mine, fluffypony you might try ipxcore
20:04:31 fluffypony: benkay: not for mining, just as a spare electrum server
20:05:11 benkay: what could go wrong? :D
20:05:20 fluffypony: exactly!
20:09:38 dub: linode is best
20:10:08 Apocalyptic: jurov, are you satisfied with gandi services in general ?
20:11:14 jurov: yes. except for one small case where they insist routing of traffic between paris and aws ireland via the US
20:11:37 jurov: but i could fix that by using ipv6
20:12:03 jurov: and at least they admitted the problem
20:13:31 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: More electrum servers is a good thing.
20:13:56 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yup, and I'm not hosting it on any of my dedi boxes if I can avoid it
20:14:20 Apocalyptic: <jurov> and at least they admitted the problem // that's not something you see everyday in this industry indeed
20:16:51 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: More nodes in general is good. Since I've started playing with electrum, I've become a bit interested in seeing how without a sufficient number of servers its model might approach par with SPV in some ways.
20:17:56 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yeah, and with a sufficient number of nodes it's also good from a privacy perspective
20:18:05 fluffypony: I really like Electrum, much more than MultiBit
20:19:32 BingoBoingo: I like the Multibit interface more for handling multiple wallet, but I'm liking Electrum more and more as I play with it. I just wish there was a good solution for handling both Deterministic and random generation wallets.
20:20:33 fluffypony: you can import privkeys for random generated wallets in electrum?
20:21:39 dignork: fluffypony, you can, but then you'll have to treat your wallet as non-deterministic
20:21:58 fluffypony: yes
20:22:39 fluffypony: so you make sure you have the privkeys backed up/written down for your random addresses
20:22:47 fluffypony: and the rest are all deterministic, including your change addresses
20:23:21 BingoBoingo: There are a number of reasons to want wallets with different kinds of behavior. For some purposes different change addresses is a bug.
20:24:32 dignork: BingoBoingo, when would you want to disable change addresses?
20:25:21 BingoBoingo: MP had a good writeup on the subject of Address reuse being good for certain kinds of privacy, but finding it might take some digging.
20:25:55 dignork: "no such thing as taint" ?
20:26:47 BingoBoingo: An eatlier one, I believe on MPEx design
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21:02:08 nubbins`: no onjoin msg from assbot anymore?
21:02:29 benkay: i've seen a few...
21:02:39 nubbins`: ah, i didn't get one these past two joins
21:02:43 benkay: hm
21:02:48 benkay: assbot's busy i guess
21:02:59 nubbins`: !busy
21:03:26 thestringpuller: ! nubbins`
21:03:27 thestringpuller: lol
21:03:40 artifexd: Does anyone else read !up and !down as "not up" and "not down"?
21:03:48 nubbins`: i do now :(
21:03:59 nubbins`: makes sense tho
21:04:05 nubbins`: declare that you're not up, assbot fixes it
21:04:25 nubbins`: man, i'm really good at making shepherd's pie
21:04:25 artifexd: ha
21:06:11 artifexd: Speaking of bots, who runs ozbot?
21:06:14 kakobrekla: i got the notice.
21:07:17 artifexd: oh neat
21:07:51 nubbins`: guess i'm just lucky
21:07:52 Apocalyptic: so kakobrekla how is thing atc.blockr.io thing going ? they are integrating x-bt or not ?
21:08:10 benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-tragedy-of-remote-hands-canadian-bitcoins-robbed-of-14394.html re canada and bitcoins
21:09:06 kakobrekla: its not a life and death situation is it? ill see re that next time we meet.
21:10:27 benkay: mircea_popescu: would you tell @patrickmcguire that i broke the canadian bitcoins story a month ago?
21:13:14 Apocalyptic: <BingoBoingo> https://bitcointa.lk/threads/vircurex-is-now-missing-5000-btc.298640/ << nice to see people awakening
21:13:33 Apocalyptic: kako, no issue, it's clearly not
21:13:39 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: It's just taking... something...
21:25:20 thestringpuller: people are actually buying ALC?
21:25:31 thestringpuller: i feel like I should jump the bandwagon for when it bubbles
21:34:22 jurov: http://thecodelesscode.com/case/140?topic=Heartbleed+Bug also :D
21:39:32 BingoBoingo: !t h cog
22:57:27 BingoBoingo: artifexd: I actually probably would have been more likely to have written this http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/baseballs-new-strategy-drop-the-ball-on-purpose/
23:03:25 thestringpuller: ;;ticker
23:07:41 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
23:32:57 mike_c: !t h rent
23:35:39 mike_c: my bank wants me to update my mobile app with a new version that can pair with bluetooth devices. that makes sense.
23:42:06 BingoBoingo: What is this odd combination of bank, app, and mobile?
23:42:39 nubbins`: dude you don't do your banking on your phone?!
23:43:01 mike_c: it's just fiat.
23:44:58 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: My phone makes and recieves calls.
23:45:09 nubbins`: nice
23:45:23 nubbins`: my phone is built into a computer ;(
23:45:35 mike_c: so hah! you do banking on your phone too.
23:46:41 nubbins`: who said i didn't? :D
23:46:58 nubbins`: i do banking on my phone more often than i do it on my laptop.
23:47:37 mike_c: the only thing i use the phone for is depositing checks. that is handy.
23:49:31 nubbins`: nod
23:49:44 nubbins`: CIBC mobile app recently added that feature
23:50:17 nubbins`: altho tbh i generally just walk to the bank