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00:00:04 mircea_popescu: interesting

00:00:10 JorgePasada: :-)

00:00:11 mircea_popescu: kinda the same here no ?

00:00:27 mircea_popescu: JorgePasada i guess now you gotta bug benkay to rate you

00:00:35 JorgePasada: That reminds me, we should have a euro version of the ATM prototyped within 3 weeks

00:00:43 JorgePasada: bill acceptor is different so we need a diff case

00:00:57 cgcardona_: the way I view it here is (per fraudsters) this is a room for professionals. we tie our identity to our gpg keys so there's accountability. Granted I've only been in the room a week so what do I know?

00:01:02 mircea_popescu: eh what the hey.

00:01:13 mircea_popescu: ;;rate JorgePasada 1 New blood.

00:01:22 mircea_popescu: tsk. get in the wot will you.

00:01:29 cgcardona_: my point exactly ^

00:01:41 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ but technically it's like... "i'm in the club", as in, "i am a barber"

00:01:45 mircea_popescu: or w/e, "a barrister"

00:02:08 cgcardona_: as in 'this room isn't a room where anyone can talk about shoes. it's a room where shoe makers can talk about anything.' ?

00:02:32 kakobrekla: just dont mention purses.

00:02:36 cgcardona_: ha

00:02:42 cgcardona_: #purses-assets

00:02:50 mircea_popescu: lol

00:03:29 mircea_popescu: the bitcoin pourse ?

00:03:35 mircea_popescu: no wait. the pitcoin pourse

00:06:11 artifexd: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla 137 : 92 << What's that about?

00:06:26 kakobrekla: AND ITS NOT 92

00:06:32 kakobrekla: dammit.

00:07:18 artifexd: Ok. Still... what is it about?

00:08:34 kakobrekla: im not telling until the result of the equation is less than 1

00:11:38 artifexd: Ah. WOT rating total. Current would be 137:123

00:12:28 kakobrekla: :D

00:13:06 artifexd: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 Runs assbot

00:13:56 artifexd: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 Runs assbot

00:14:17 artifexd: 137:124

00:14:25 kakobrekla: awww, ty. 13 to go.

00:14:32 kakobrekla: lemme grab two socks real quick.

00:30:33 mircea_popescu: artifexd we've had this thing going for ... 2 years now ?

00:30:35 mircea_popescu: and moar like 139:124. mwahahaha

00:47:50 asciilifeform: from the freakshow:

00:47:51 asciilifeform: http://arno1251.livejournal.com/301421.html

00:48:08 asciilifeform: (in all major languages!)

00:54:54 BingoBoingo: Update on the Emperor's Clothing racket http://oglaf.com/sextiles/

00:59:59 thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6

01:09:34 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22t5se/bitcoin_as_a_store_of_value_for_exactly_one_year/

01:45:15 cgcardona_: This chart blew my mind http://imgur.com/78Rz5KL

01:45:27 cgcardona_: the network effect of finance

02:06:05 kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/zprtjRx.jpg

02:11:37 TestingUnoDosTre: ^isn't that a joke

02:12:46 TestingUnoDosTre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeYau6jH1eE this guy can make a living doing terrorist jokes, but when a little white girl does something retarded like sending a tweet claiming to be some foreigner the FBI gets involved

02:12:47 ozbot: Jeff Dunham-Achmed The Dead Terroist - YouTube

02:13:12 kakobrekla: nah fuck the fbi, its her reaction.

02:15:33 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ seems more like a fitted graph than anything. where did they get the n ?

02:16:06 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol

02:16:34 cgcardona_: not sure where they got the data honestly. need to research deeper.

02:16:50 cgcardona_: the first time I saw it I thought it was fake because it fit so well.

02:17:04 cgcardona_: i'll see if I can dig up the reddit thread

02:17:37 TestingUnoDosTre: Actually, she is a huge Bieber fan, lock her in solitary and the world will be a better place

02:18:11 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455530340682330112 :D

02:18:19 cgcardona_: i think it's funny how you can see the large dip in the green line which is the green line. I'm wondering if that is just bad data or there really were just that many fewer addresses used those days

02:18:39 cgcardona_: *green line which is the green line* <----huh?

02:18:56 cgcardona_: *which is the unique addresses used per day

02:19:14 kakobrekla: i dunno mp just dont take my ip, i got just this one.

02:19:53 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ actually they're using every trick in the book. most any two natural curves will look "fitted" in a log 10 graph

02:20:53 mircea_popescu: i would say upon examination this is exactly typical of the reddit mental process. very circular, very brandy futility.

02:21:02 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#footnote_0_53902 << i'll send you cookies :P lol

02:21:23 mircea_popescu: lol

02:22:07 cgcardona_: yes I'm glad I found this room MP. the bitcoin forum is the bottom of the barrel and reddit is mostly memes and flamewars as well. (though don't ge me wrong. I enjoy a good meme and/or flamewar)

02:22:23 cgcardona_: *don't get me wrong

02:22:25 mircea_popescu: me either, but neither are science.

02:23:28 mircea_popescu: just for your own education, take two random things, such i dunno... sin(x) and cos(x) then draw them on a log graph. see how splendidly they fit

02:23:29 cgcardona_: it's funny how IRC is **still** the best social network (forgive the term)

02:23:50 cgcardona_: it's been the best place for me to interact in real time for years

02:23:52 mircea_popescu: and i mean if those two fit... then there's no fucking hope anymore.

02:25:10 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre true story : i was in the bank the other day, and they had these timberlake concert fliers. i picked one up and told my pa "doesn't this guy look just like a waiter ?". he did, dressed all up for the job, too.

02:25:19 mircea_popescu: the bank clerk was all excited "oh, you're going ? i'm going too!"

02:25:24 thestringpuller: 22:23 <+cgcardona_> it's funny how IRC is **still** the best social network (forgive the term)i miss BBS; it got phased out when I was just a little one

02:25:35 TestingUnoDosTre: hahaha

02:25:48 cgcardona_: was hitting some bbs from telnet recently. it was a trip

02:25:52 cgcardona_: the ascii art is off the hook

02:26:12 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller fucking phones tho. it took forever.

02:26:14 cgcardona_: there's still quite a few boards out there.

02:26:14 mircea_popescu: im impatient

02:26:40 TestingUnoDosTre: MP, what was that cloudflare twit about?

02:26:57 joecool: probably the private key extraction challenge

02:27:00 mircea_popescu: http://media.ticketmaster.com/dbimages/142121a.jpg

02:27:01 TestingUnoDosTre: why were you talking about govt sponsored antisec stuff

02:27:06 mircea_popescu: this shit. doesn't he look just like the maitre d' ?

02:27:22 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre because it is my considered opinion that that's what cloudflare is.

02:27:23 cgcardona_: classic.

02:27:31 TestingUnoDosTre: oooo gotcha

02:27:40 joecool: should get his number, call to make a reservation

02:27:50 mircea_popescu: by now they're on tap as a "free trial" on every budged webhoster out there. gimme a break.

02:27:52 cgcardona_: now I'm picturing sean parker as the maitre d'.

02:28:18 mircea_popescu: loose tie'd never work

02:32:02 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/803/bitpay-will-succeed-before-q2-2015/#c2773 this shit's pretty fucking instructive.

02:32:06 ozbot: BitBet - BitPay will succeed before Q2 2015

02:32:16 mircea_popescu: look art that list. not a single fucking "company" in there does anything.

02:32:22 mircea_popescu: and these are the "successes".

02:32:35 mircea_popescu: Xobni ?!

02:33:45 mircea_popescu: 280 North ?!

02:33:48 mircea_popescu: i mean holy shit.

02:34:33 mircea_popescu: Mailgun. "Mailgun is a set of powerful APIs that allow you to send, receive and track email effortlessly."

02:34:36 cgcardona_: omgpop

02:34:52 cgcardona_: what about heroku?

02:34:59 cgcardona_: they're pretty cool IMO.

02:35:32 mircea_popescu: i guess, but let alone cool, let's talk money.

02:35:42 mircea_popescu: would you pay $100 for anything they do ?

02:35:49 cgcardona_: sure. they sold for over $200 mil to salesforce

02:35:54 cgcardona_: i pay them about $40 a month

02:35:56 cgcardona_: so yea

02:35:58 mircea_popescu: you do ?

02:36:10 cgcardona_: i have projects on heroku yea. i'm a rails dev for part of my job

02:36:15 mircea_popescu: i guess i'm just hopelessly antiquated

02:36:17 cgcardona_: for the ssl endpoints I pay

02:36:21 cgcardona_: haha

02:36:23 cgcardona_: says the bitlord

02:36:25 *: cgcardona_ bows

02:36:42 cgcardona_: i doubt your antiquated

02:36:42 mircea_popescu: rails is like... o god. i think only php is moar hated than rails here

02:36:46 cgcardona_: haha

02:36:48 *: cgcardona_ ducks

02:36:58 mircea_popescu: lemme see maybe i have a link

02:38:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2013#426056

02:38:23 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

02:38:40 cgcardona_: ouch

02:39:34 joecool: ruby on rails, it's the hipster way?

02:39:35 mircea_popescu: well we had bad experiences. in bitcoin i mean. there was that atrocious hole last year, pretty much put bitcoin-central on its ass.

02:40:00 mircea_popescu: then there's vircurex, tho that's probably a case of pebkac

02:40:20 mircea_popescu: but w/e, heroku, has a paas platform people use.

02:40:25 mircea_popescu: how about all the other 60 shits in that list!

02:40:30 TestingUnoDosTre: I'm thinking of making a bet along the lines of "bitstamp will issue a news statement that they are freezing bitcoin withdraws in the next 3 months." Thoughts, comments?

02:41:01 mircea_popescu: Gantto. Gantto is a web based planning application. Users can collaborate in real-time to create and edit Gantt charts.

02:41:02 mircea_popescu: really ?

02:41:15 cgcardona_: lol. fucking classic

02:41:20 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre um... a la mtgox ?

02:41:31 cgcardona_: "it's a social network of Gantt charts!" "fund em"

02:41:52 mircea_popescu: this reminds me of costanza's investment.

02:41:59 cgcardona_: and paul graham retired so the new dude can scale it 10X

02:42:03 cgcardona_: think of the good times ahead

02:42:05 mircea_popescu: http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-05.shtml

02:42:06 ozbot: Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 05-The Stock Tip

02:42:13 mircea_popescu: GEORGE: It?s called Sendrax. They?ve got some new kind of technique for televising opera.

02:42:13 mircea_popescu: ELAINE: Televising opera?

02:42:14 mircea_popescu: GEORGE: Some sort of electronic thingy.

02:42:21 joecool: hmm whatever happened to tradehill

02:42:38 TestingUnoDosTre: Not necessarily exactly mt gox style, but that would be included. Something like this would be included as well https://www.bitstamp.net/article/update-regarding-openssl-vulnerability/

02:42:52 mircea_popescu: joecool kenna tried to relaunch, the girl told him where to stick it, he wasn't heard from since ?

02:43:31 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre idjits srsly. 2fa would have done exactly nothing./

02:44:19 TestingUnoDosTre: Wait, why is that?

02:44:22 mircea_popescu: Cardpool. "Cardpool makes it ridiculously easy to buy and sell pre-owned gift cards. Customers can buy gift cards for up to 35% off or sell unwanted gift cards for cash ."

02:44:40 joecool: i assumed they gave up running an exchange and were focusing on trying to sell a plaform to someone else

02:44:43 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre because the server bleeds memory, in principle you can decrypt their 2fa challenge as well as anything else.

02:45:03 mircea_popescu: joecool i heard the same thing but notrly substantiated.

02:45:37 TestingUnoDosTre: ahhhh

02:45:49 mircea_popescu: The Fridge. "The Fridge is a platform for lightweight single serving social networks for the functionality of Facebook without being on Facebook."

02:45:58 cgcardona_: MP - this is the new dude who took over ycombinator and his new request for submissions post http://blog.samaltman.com/new-rfs-breakthrough-technologies

02:46:06 mircea_popescu: i reiterate. the above was... a success ?

02:46:09 cgcardona_: hopefully the quality of YC companies will improve

02:46:15 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ it can not.

02:46:24 cgcardona_: perma-broke?

02:46:26 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Deliberately and quite maliciously tried to meld the BleedingHeart openssl vulnerability into the Bitcoin code." << you're referring to the 2FA they wanted to put in awhile back?

02:46:30 cgcardona_: borked

02:47:45 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ things degrade naturally, the same vicious circle as exhibited by used car markets that lemon laws try to fix : any seller with above-average value is disincentivised from participating.

02:48:17 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no. to the pki they tried toi get in "for verifying merchant's addresses" in spite of... everyone's objections.

02:48:46 mircea_popescu: Munch On Me. "Munch On Me is a food discovery portal that connects people with great food at great prices in local communities."

02:49:08 mircea_popescu: dude fucking hell. if it were, call girl services, so you can eat your powerlunch on a naked arts major, it'd have made more sense.

02:49:42 mircea_popescu: VoiceGem. "Voicegem is the easiest way to send a voice message to anyone."

02:49:50 mircea_popescu: apparently... phones are an app now.

02:50:08 mircea_popescu: SocialCam. "Socialcam is the easiest way to share video with your friends and on social networks."

02:50:27 mircea_popescu: like you know... all the functionality of being on chatroulette without being on chatroulette.

02:50:32 mircea_popescu: or in other words... penis.

02:50:39 cgcardona_: ": dude fucking hell. if it were, call girl services, so you can eat your powerlunch on a naked arts major, it'd have made more sense." <-- epic

02:50:47 cgcardona_: that's a kickstarter I'd fund ^

02:51:27 artifexd: For science, here is cos(x) graphed against sin(x) on a log10 scale: http://i.imgur.com/IFbIx3C.png

02:51:28 mircea_popescu: "munch on me, munch off me, either way lunch is on me!"

02:51:28 cgcardona_: yea when YC last year offered to fund people w/ no ideas the shark was officially jumped

02:51:31 mircea_popescu: there, we have a logo

02:51:35 cgcardona_: haha nice

02:51:44 artifexd: I guess if you shift it, it could fit.

02:52:20 cgcardona_: ;;rate artifexd 1 for science

02:52:26 cgcardona_: nice work artifexd

02:52:42 mircea_popescu: artifexd i guess my worst fucking example ever.

02:52:53 artifexd: For further science and verification of mircea_popescu theory, here is tan(x) graphed against sin(x): http://i.imgur.com/oplWqjI.png

02:53:06 artifexd: Verification of mircea_popescu theory failed.

02:53:19 cgcardona_: looks like thighs and a stomach leaning forward

02:53:30 TestingUnoDosTre: is that the logo for Munch on me?

02:53:34 cgcardona_: hahaha

02:53:39 cgcardona_: *ties it together*

02:55:24 artifexd: Random formulas aside, I do understand your point that any growing trend can be fitted to match any other growing trend if you futz with the scales enough.

02:55:37 mircea_popescu: artifexd http://graphsketch.com/?eqn1_color=1&eqn1_eqn=sin(x)%2Flog(x)&eqn2_color=2&eqn2_eqn=cos(x)%2Flog(x)&eqn3_color=3&eqn3_eqn=&eqn4_color=4&eqn4_eqn=&eqn5_color=5&eqn5_eqn=&eqn6_color=6&eqn6_eqn=&x_min=-17&x_max=17&y_min=-10.5&y_max=10.5&x_tick=1&y_tick=1&x_label_freq=5&y_label_freq=5&do_grid=0&do_grid=1&bold_labeled_lines=0&bold_labeled_lines=1&line_width=4&image_w=850&image_h=525

02:55:39 mircea_popescu: shit

02:56:15 mircea_popescu: that's what i fucking had in mind. im entirely unsure why i thought /log(x) is a homomorphism of a log scale, but anywa

02:56:47 cgcardona_: data porn is the best. imagine all the poor saps throughout history who had to make critical decisions in the moment and didn't have mounds of data porn to pour over.

02:57:30 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ their job was easier, as they prolly hadn't invented the adversarial system either, so they could actually reach some sort of a decision.

02:57:36 artifexd: graphsketch.com << That's going into my bookmark list. I resorted to some silly site where I had to take screenshots and upload them to imgur.

02:57:58 mircea_popescu: mp. even when he's wrong, you learn shit.

02:58:12 mircea_popescu: that's gonna be my slogan for a while.

02:58:28 cgcardona_: mp. talks in 3rd person

02:58:32 cgcardona_: thats a good slogan too

02:58:45 artifexd: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Teaches me shit even when he's wrong

02:59:29 mircea_popescu: artifexd I do understand your point that << that's only half the point. this much is valid, but!

02:59:43 mircea_popescu: it takes a minimally trained eye to notice gross unfitness in a log graph.

03:00:03 mircea_popescu: because what appears "close" is way the fuck out over there. as in the original graph, midway. the thing's all over the place.

03:00:44 artifexd: Would the other half be that numbers can be molested to demonstrate whatever whack theory the molester wants to demonstrate?

03:01:15 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/78Rz5KL.gif << look from 700 to say 900

03:01:38 mircea_popescu: if those two fit you're basically saying that anally inserting a pea and a horse's head is roughly similar.

03:01:57 mircea_popescu: roughly it may be, but similar not.

03:02:03 cgcardona_: i see your point. on a log scale

03:02:39 mircea_popescu: on a log scale any two things are within an inch of each other.

03:02:57 dub: this is lame

03:03:03 mircea_popescu: hey dubsy!

03:03:07 dub: ahoy

03:03:31 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ i mean for curiosity's sake, re-do the same graph but not in log(10). in log(1024) instead. fucking flatlines.

03:03:50 mircea_popescu: dub so what's so lame about it ?

03:04:16 dub: lets make a shorter list, whats not lame about it

03:04:18 mircea_popescu: TextPayMe. "Founded in 2005, TextPayMe is an SMS payment service that lets you send money to other people using cell phone."

03:04:30 cgcardona_: sounds like it could be huge

03:04:42 cgcardona_: these kids today and their "cell phones"

03:04:48 cgcardona_: *fund em*

03:04:52 mircea_popescu: dub trick question.

03:05:27 mircea_popescu: Parakey. "Parakey was founded in early 2006 by Blake Ross and Joe Hewitt of Mozilla/ Firefox fame. Little has been revealed about."

03:06:06 mircea_popescu: "a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is"

03:07:18 mircea_popescu: Whereoscope. Whereoscope is a service designed to help parents keep know where their kids are.

03:07:41 mircea_popescu: actual crunchbase profile. fucking written by $.75 an hour indians that thing.

03:08:07 artifexd: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Teaches me shit

03:09:18 mircea_popescu: !up zoinky

03:10:50 mircea_popescu: Divvyshot. "Divvyshot allows groups of friends to share their photos easily, at their full resolutions. It was a Y Combinator participant."

03:11:45 mircea_popescu: kiko. Kiko is a web calendar for anyone who wants to keep and share a calendar online. Kiko excels at three main things:

03:11:52 mircea_popescu: surprise, fear and a fanatical devotion to the pope.

03:12:36 mircea_popescu: SocialPicks. "SocialPicks provides individual investors with a trusted online investing community where they can invest smarter together."

03:12:47 mircea_popescu: o look, someone ipo'd bitcointalk/securities.

03:12:52 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate mircea_popescu knows where to find inexpensive indian writers

03:12:54 mircea_popescu: sold out for 8mn

03:12:59 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 knows where to find inexpensive indian writers

03:13:04 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre actually i think jurov does

03:13:14 TestingUnoDosTre: seriously?

03:13:17 mircea_popescu: prolly.

03:13:29 artifexd: It's a veritable rate-fest in here.

03:13:31 TestingUnoDosTre: I'm looking to start a blog on climate science

03:13:40 mircea_popescu: good niche.

03:13:51 mircea_popescu: huge shortage of words on that topic

03:13:56 mircea_popescu: </sarcasm

03:14:03 TestingUnoDosTre: I was joking as well

03:16:24 mircea_popescu: Finally, its worth noting that Y Combinator has funded a total of 564 companies. More than 150 of those companies are less than 18 months old. Therefore, 80% of the companies are older than 18 months and have not been acquired.

03:16:50 mircea_popescu: anyway. epic article, all the lulz one could want for an evening.

03:17:03 TestingUnoDosTre: all of them!

03:19:32 cgcardona_: YC = £u£$

03:19:40 cgcardona_: they do it for the lulz ^

03:21:06 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

03:21:13 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 182,759.50 / 410.365466491

03:21:17 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 182759.50 / 410.365466491

03:21:59 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ < berkshire is like 30% ahead and yet... nobody bets.

03:22:02 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment

03:23:00 cgcardona_: I like this one. http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/#b62 - looks like someone came in right before it broke 400 and make some coin

03:23:26 TestingUnoDosTre: It wasn't RIGHT before

03:23:28 cgcardona_: *made some coin

03:23:40 cgcardona_: i haven't checked the charts. how long before was it?

03:23:42 TestingUnoDosTre: there was a 10k buy wall around when s/he made that bet

03:24:02 TestingUnoDosTre: My bet, the refund, was quite very near the change

03:24:30 mircea_popescu: so like 10 hours early.

03:24:44 TestingUnoDosTre: yep

03:25:30 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/list-of-victims-of-their-own-success.102679/

03:25:32 ozbot: List of Victims of Their Own Success | Bitcointa.lk

03:25:39 mircea_popescu: ahaha. ty bitcoin-assets wiki, i had forgotten this one

03:26:17 mircea_popescu: (for new people : mtgox failed miserably a year ago, this time. their lag was routinely in the half hour range. it's all in the logs. their response ? "we are a victim of our own success!!1"

03:29:23 TestingUnoDosTre: this under 300 bet is very intruiging

03:31:59 TestingUnoDosTre: also been quite surprised about the amoung of gigahashes that have been dropped on the network in the last day or so

03:32:50 mircea_popescu: But in either case, the race is on : the governments are mining, boys and girls. (The good news, of course, is that they?ve started about at the same time, which means we have cleared the ONLY roadblock Bitcoin ever seriously had in its path. We?re done here, we?ve won.)

03:32:57 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/

03:32:58 ozbot: Things that matter these days ; things that don’t matter these days. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mirce

03:33:49 mod6: heh, its up almost 10TH/s

03:34:03 mod6: *10k

03:34:29 artifexd: How do you know that governments are mining, much less which governments and to what degree?

03:36:08 mircea_popescu: apparently i got my own nsa

03:37:17 TestingUnoDosTre: lol

03:37:33 TestingUnoDosTre: should I be laughing or not?

03:37:46 mircea_popescu: anyway. the bed's just filed extradition papers so ima have to bid you a very good laters!

03:38:13 mod6: night

03:38:14 artifexd: If it is an educated guess, that's cool. What I'm asking is whether you have any independently verifiable proof that governments are mining? (Like, verifiable by someone like, you know, me)

03:39:43 benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2014&bots=true#623312 << then there's cavirtex which is django, a scam, and has shipped precisely zero since their original thinger.

03:39:45 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

03:43:55 benkay: artifexd: ain't nobody sharing information like that for free.

03:46:08 benkay: sam altman running y combinator

03:46:14 benkay: graham tire of the derp circus?

03:46:19 artifexd: Without inside knowledge, how could you verify it? The only information that actually links to the miner is the coinbase script and I haven't seen any scripts with "Mined by US GSA" in them.

03:47:20 asciilifeform: gotta love how he suggests 'cheap energy!11!' as a yc startup idea.

03:48:10 asciilifeform: yes, the fellow who builds the mythical magic reactor surely needs $15k of 'invest' and a spell in trendoid bootcamp.

03:50:04 benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2014&bots=true#623392 << give it five years, plot a line on the log scale and see how beautifully it fits

03:50:05 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

03:50:35 asciilifeform: see mp's essay re: how dog sees every other creature as a type of dog

03:51:07 benkay: artifexd: another point on this topic is that intelligence is completely unverifiable. your source may be compromised, your source may be lying, all sorts of things may be true.

03:51:39 benkay: a not entirely thing to say about mircea_popescu's sources is that there's a nonzero chance they're trained ninjas who've infiltrated both the us and sino mining operations

03:51:43 asciilifeform: benkay: the science of how to verify intelligence is not a secret.

03:51:44 benkay: not entirely crazy

03:51:55 asciilifeform: plenty has been written on the subject, since at least machiavelli

03:52:22 benkay: if its your spy im sure you can make some guesses

03:52:29 artifexd: Sure. But there's nothing other than "Because I said so".

03:52:31 benkay: but if it's my spy, and you want to know how good the report is

03:52:59 artifexd: Unless his "I got my own nsa" statement was not a joke and was actually a comment on his research team.

03:53:22 asciilifeform: any serious commercial organization has an intelligence arm

03:53:32 asciilifeform: again, not a secret, in itself.

03:56:29 benkay: so an entity with an intelligence arm claims a thing is true and says 'get stuffed' when you ask 'but how ams u knooooow?'. how as a prole in -assets are you going to ever verify something the entity spent an unknown amount of money discovering?

03:57:11 benkay: artifexd: i think the joke is that the nsa would love to have access to mp's intel.

03:57:15 asciilifeform: benkay: in such a case, you must either take the advice or leave it

03:57:18 benkay: not that i'd know. derpy kid as myself.

03:58:16 benkay: asciilifeform: points about verification aside, that'd be the point i'm trying to pound into artifexd

03:58:17 asciilifeform: let's say you live in a place where earthquakes are a regular thing

03:58:32 asciilifeform: you may or may not know the gory details of how a seismologist does his work

03:58:45 asciilifeform: but if the fellow warned you in time once, twice...

03:59:20 benkay: i'm with you 100%

04:00:02 dub: uh, siesmologists dont generally predict earthquakes

04:00:17 benkay: helens

04:00:27 artifexd: I think my (possible?) mistake is in thinking that he has access to the same information as the rest of us (specifically, me). He may have more people to pour over it and analyze it, but the raw information is available.

04:00:43 benkay: that'd be what we call an 'assumption'.

04:00:50 artifexd: Or rather, that I have access to the same information he does.

04:00:58 asciilifeform: won't predict, but will show where fault line, etc.

04:01:06 asciilifeform: simplified example

04:06:16 benkay: ;;gettrust JorgePasada

04:06:34 benkay: JorgePasada: i can't rate you unless you get in the WoT.

04:09:37 artifexd: When I was in the Navy, lower ranked officers were nothing special, but even lower enlisted (like myself) didn't have conversations with the Captains and Admirals. There was the understanding that they were "people" just like us (meaning the enlisted folk), but their concerns and our concerns didn't overlap enough to allow for everyday conversation. There

04:09:37 artifexd: was a real caste system.

04:11:08 artifexd: Here, mircea and I should not exist in the same caste. I'm just a normal dude. He's a Romanian Billionare. WITH A B! I can conceive of no reason that someone that high up the food chain would give two shits about what I think or why I think it.

04:11:53 benkay: that understanding is the glue holding the democratic army of america together

04:12:21 artifexd: And yet, every time I talk, he gives me the time of day. When I question him, he responds reasonably. I guess that encourages me to treat him as an equal.

04:12:32 benkay: and yeah, they're probably just like you in the particulars of their lives and mistresses and dinners and base houses etc

04:13:02 benkay: heh

04:13:23 benkay: bow to your bitlord, for despite his friendly demeanor ye are not equals.

04:13:48 benkay: some day i'll get to say that to someone in all seriousness.

04:16:10 artifexd: Honestly, I think I'm feeling a little overwhelmed that he appointed me as a bitcoin baron. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014&bots=true#622843

04:16:18 artifexd: Because, seriously, who the fuck am I?

04:16:58 artifexd: Anyway, time to put the existential crisis on hold and get some work done before bed.

04:18:14 benkay: lowest of the low, artifexd

04:18:34 benkay: baron must do his lords work or be stripped as i understand it

04:20:13 artifexd: Do you remember the first time somebody gave you real responsibility? "Don't let me down, kid." type stuff.

04:20:32 cgcardona_: sure. when I found out my gf was pregnant.

04:20:33 artifexd: Trust, belief, whatever.

04:20:51 artifexd: Kinda heavy but also empowering

04:20:53 benkay: "here's a cluster, kid."

04:20:57 benkay: shat myself almost.

04:21:08 benkay: "you're on call now."

04:21:19 cgcardona_: SuperUser

04:22:17 benkay: greybeard

04:22:56 benkay: in an odd turn of events that no doubt indicts my past masters for incompetence i've always had root on der boxen

04:27:47 cgcardona_: not i

04:28:00 cgcardona_: but i've joined teams of 80 engineers

04:28:06 cgcardona_: so of course I didn't come on board w/ root

04:28:44 cgcardona_: in fact once someone took over my screen/vim session w/ ascii art/text telling me about an engineering meeting.

04:29:14 benkay: brutal.

04:29:38 benkay: my generation hacks on cloud vms in eerie silence.

04:30:27 benkay: leastaways that's how we learn before getting hoovered out of our ditches into Business.

04:36:47 benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu how does the discreet escort leverage the WoT?

04:45:37 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate mircea_popescu I bow to my bitlord, for despite his friendly demeanor, we are not equals

04:45:50 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 I bow to my bitlord, for despite his friendly demeanor, we are not equals

04:47:36 TestingUnoDosTre: Does mp use bitstamp?

04:50:03 dub: yes

04:50:33 dub: but he's holding off for GLBSE 3.0

04:51:11 TestingUnoDosTre: I'm wondering because shortly after he left, the books are going wild with buys

04:51:55 dub: statistical certainty

04:52:14 benkay: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu&sign=ANY&type=SENT grep for broker

04:52:15 ozbot: Rating Details for User 'mircea_popescu'

04:59:41 joecool: mp needed dem sales

04:59:50 joecool: gotta catch em all

05:01:19 TestingUnoDosTre: what does he mean by ATC broker, maybe OTC insead?

05:01:46 TestingUnoDosTre: for pankkakke

05:01:52 artifexd: Altcoin

05:02:02 artifexd: http://www.therealaltcoin.org/

05:02:02 ozbot: The Real Altcoin (ATC) - Never mine another altcoin again.

05:02:25 artifexd: Also #altcoin

05:02:42 artifexd: Speaking of which, last sale was at 170. Geez...

05:04:09 TestingUnoDosTre: last sale of altcoin?

05:04:28 TestingUnoDosTre: Altcoin*

05:04:51 artifexd: Yeah. At x-bt.com

05:10:23 TestingUnoDosTre: did thickasthieves make atc>

05:20:05 artifexd: He did

05:23:17 artifexd: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/sha256-altcoin.250774/

05:23:19 ozbot: [SHA256] Altcoin | Bitcointa.lk

05:23:30 benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/13_there-is-no-recourse-in-bitcoin-only-trust-and-identity.html

05:23:30 ozbot: There is no recourse in Bitcoin - only trust and identity

05:28:30 TestingUnoDosTre: oh my gawd, I'm laughing my ass off while reading this forum. How the hell did he pull this off?

05:30:03 benkay: share some gems, TestingUnoDosTre

05:30:41 TestingUnoDosTre: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4873000#msg4873000

05:30:42 ozbot: [SHA256] Altcoin

05:32:07 TestingUnoDosTre: "All other pretenders to the altcoin designation must be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

05:33:44 TestingUnoDosTre: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4874236#msg4874236

05:33:46 ozbot: [SHA256] Altcoin

05:34:07 fluffypony: please tell me someone set up a pool to let the miners mine and never find a block

05:34:13 artifexd: benkay: I'm trying to find an article that I think you wrote. In the article the statement "Storing bitcoins on a phone is the god damned stupidest fucking thing evar." Or something to that effect. Do you remember that?

05:34:34 benkay: ah yeah half a sec

05:35:10 benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/09_bitcoiners-upset-at-apple-understand-neither-apples-business-model-nor-bitcoin.html

05:35:11 ozbot: Bitcoiners Upset at Apple Understand Neither Apple's Business Model nor Bitcoin

05:35:42 benkay: it's probably a bad thing that i'm the search engine for my blog

05:35:55 artifexd: Yep. I was looking for this paragraph:

05:35:56 artifexd: urthermore, putting bitcoins on your phone is probably the goddamn stupidest thing that I've ever heard of. Bitcoins are going to be the world's reserve currency4, and as such fated to rise to prices per coin that dwarf even the outlandish Winklevoss' most media-hungry "predictions". To leave such a precious commodity within reach of anyone with a USB cable5

05:35:56 artifexd: and a gun to scare you off your phone is the height of idiocy.

05:36:01 artifexd: I love that.

05:37:11 artifexd: That article is the top result for "goddamn stupidest thing bitcoin"

05:37:28 benkay: for real?

05:37:48 artifexd: Try it

05:38:48 benkay: hahaha

05:38:48 TestingUnoDosTre: lol

05:39:31 benkay: and yet

05:39:36 benkay: ;;google goddamn stupidest thing bitcoin

05:41:17 artifexd: http://i.imgur.com/SzVdluK.png

05:41:23 artifexd: Personalized search, I guess.

05:43:00 benkay: yeah nobody really understands gribble's search magic

05:43:12 TestingUnoDosTre: showed up for me as well, after I viewed at least one of your articles

05:43:18 benkay: fascinating.

05:43:26 benkay: well, index me into the googleborg gents

05:44:02 benkay: i'm off to harass the womenfolk and ingest intoxicants

05:44:22 benkay: don't start glbse 4.0 without me, eh?

05:49:15 artifexd: !up smidge

05:49:20 artifexd: !up bigtip

09:37:07 bounce: this needs a better translator: http://www.goxdox.org/2014/04/mtgox-to-be-acquired-by-silk-road_12.html

10:11:06 Namworld: "This PR team apparently sees nothing wrong with this Sponsor’s association with Silk Road Equity LLC (I am not shitting you)."

10:11:35 Namworld: It's not being aquired by Silk Road... it says Silk Road Equity.

10:11:40 Namworld: Domain registered in 2003

10:11:42 Namworld: http://www.silkroadequity.com/portfolio.html

10:11:42 ozbot: SilkRoad Equity - PORTFOLIO

10:12:13 Namworld: They have Bitcoin related website, some real estates and restaurant and random stuff. Eh...

10:12:47 Namworld: The name seems to be a bad coincidence. An awful one even.

10:13:25 Namworld: Doesn't look like an appropriate candidate anyway. There's no amount of duct tape that can fix MtGox.

10:14:58 fluffypony: yeah

10:15:02 Namworld: And own silkroad.com, which is HR related, which must be their first business, hence the name: http://www.silkroad.com/

10:15:16 fluffypony: I read somewhere they're offering 1 BTC and are willing to absorb all the liabilities

10:15:58 Namworld: What liabilities?

10:16:23 fluffypony: all the money Karpeles stole, presumably?

10:16:42 Namworld: So, basically, they are insane?

10:16:54 fluffypony: yes

10:17:10 fluffypony: they'll probably take the BTC pool that has been "discovered"

10:17:16 fluffypony: and then distribute that proportionally

10:17:24 fluffypony: so everyone gets 1/8th or whatever

10:17:27 fluffypony: of what they had

10:17:54 Namworld: 200k/650k or 750k so like 25-30%?

10:18:17 Namworld: Assuming Karpeles doesn't get to keep his 100k that he "also lost"

10:18:22 fluffypony: yeah

10:18:43 fluffypony: I don't think they'd be stupid enough to cover the rest, unless they never want to ever achieve any level of profitability

10:18:43 bounce: then call it a day. then what? a rotten website and trading "engine", an unwilling user base (I mean... well, they didn't walk away before, did they?), and, trouble with nosy 'merkin regulators. what'd be in it for them?

10:18:58 fluffypony: bounce: who knows what goes through their heads

10:19:04 fluffypony: maybe they think the gox name is salvageable

10:19:44 bounce: could be a TLAgency front. then again, why go through all the trouble? might as well set up one anew.

10:20:00 fluffypony: yeah

10:20:15 Namworld: Depends on the sort of capital they have. Gox's name isn't what's doomed. It's the code created by Karpeles and Karpeles himself.

10:20:40 Namworld: If they don't have to pay back balances lost, just what's left, and get to have all the userbase with docs...

10:21:00 Namworld: They could even relaunch anew with their own name

10:21:13 fluffypony: yeah

10:21:22 bounce: depends a bit on what you could do with that. though apparently you could've grabbed that yourself, seeing the guys that first promised not to sell the loot, then offered to sell it anyway.

10:21:28 fluffypony: bounce: you'll be surprised who comes crawling back

10:21:37 Namworld: That's the only thing I can imagine someone going after, the doxed userbase without having to pay balances

10:21:57 fluffypony: also afaik, wasn't gox tightly integrated into some trading platforms?

10:22:23 fluffypony: a lot of heavy traders aren't going to want to reinvest fresh capital and then still have to pay for compatability with whatever platform they use

10:22:39 fluffypony: but the opportunity to keep using the tools even with only 25% of their capital that was in gox

10:22:42 fluffypony: may be appealing

10:22:43 Namworld: Bounce, if someone took it from the hacker and spammed the users telling them "We already have your docs, come trade on a good BTC market! *LINK*"

10:22:51 Namworld: Well let's just say it wouldn't pass.

10:23:11 bounce: notice how you can s/hacker/boogieman/ and you'd make about as much sense. in fact, you'd be more honest.

10:24:41 Namworld: eh

10:24:51 Namworld: Anyway, I'm going off, gn all

10:25:30 fluffypony: inght

10:25:31 fluffypony: night

10:30:06 dexX7: <assbot> [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45100001 BTC [-] << ouch

11:19:56 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla good move on the assbot pm

11:20:25 mircea_popescu: maybe s/To get a voice, a permission to speak/To get voice (ie, to be able to speak),

11:21:26 mircea_popescu: actually,

11:22:11 mircea_popescu: To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.

11:35:42 mircea_popescu: !up los_pantalones

11:35:48 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones you teh twitter guy ?

11:36:21 dexX7: "The same bug also affected the forum. Changing your forum password is recommended." on btctalk.. is this msg new?

11:36:43 mircea_popescu: dexX7 you may be the last one using .org, people kinda moved to .lk

11:37:03 dexX7: i don't like the .lk design

11:37:33 mircea_popescu: what's wrong with it ? (just curious, i dun do forums anyway)

11:37:33 dexX7: it's too flashy and colorful

11:37:56 mircea_popescu: o.O

11:37:56 los_pantalones: yo yo mircaea_popescu

11:38:04 los_pantalones: i am the twitter guy

11:38:04 dexX7: or maybe it's only because i'm too used to the original

11:38:10 mircea_popescu: ;;rate los_pantalones 1 New blood

11:38:10 los_pantalones: a man in tight pants, who likely shouldn't be

11:38:16 mircea_popescu: so pastebin that thing if it's not secret

11:38:18 los_pantalones: yeah, i'm a noobie

11:38:29 mircea_popescu: and also, you know ben panced ?

11:38:32 los_pantalones: not a secret, it's a logical disagreement

11:38:39 los_pantalones: no, i do not

11:38:49 mircea_popescu: ;;google cow and chicken "the red guy"

11:39:17 mircea_popescu: one of the best cartoon characters of all time. always naked from the waist down, always funny pants reference names, a whole pants thing

11:39:36 los_pantalones: well, i look just like al gore iii in his mugshot

11:39:38 los_pantalones: so that works too

11:39:53 los_pantalones: give me a sec to get stuff up

11:40:11 los_pantalones: but the basic premise is that price bets are not a binary event, they lose probability over time

11:40:23 los_pantalones: quicker than say something like "will there be a gay player in baseball by august 10th"

11:40:28 los_pantalones: that bet can hit all the way to the last day

11:40:29 mircea_popescu: no worry,

11:40:36 los_pantalones: whereas a price bet requires time to work towards a goal

11:40:42 mircea_popescu: i've been trying to write an article the past half hour, so, i can use the break

11:40:44 mircea_popescu: take your time

11:40:46 los_pantalones: so the longer it's not near the event the lower the prob of it occuring

11:40:54 mircea_popescu: and i brb.

11:40:56 los_pantalones: k

11:48:33 BingoBoingo: ;;google site:fraudsters.com let us understand mutual betting together

11:57:53 los_pantalones: mircea_popescu this is admittedly from the first time i looked at the contracts

11:57:57 los_pantalones: was getting my head around them

11:57:58 los_pantalones: but

11:58:03 los_pantalones: here's the email

11:58:08 los_pantalones: http://pastebin.com/VWcdtLXh

11:58:08 ozbot: bitbet time decay - Pastebin.com

12:01:31 los_pantalones: i started a math optimization as well, prob best not to share that though

12:02:15 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-elitism-memory-hole-effect/

12:02:15 ozbot: The elitism memory hole effect pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

12:06:49 fluffypony: jurov: someone's squatting your nick

12:06:51 fluffypony: jurovv

12:06:59 fluffypony: [14:06:55] jurovv has userhost ~jme823@pool-71-126-42-170.pitbpa.east.verizon.net and real name "nunyo"

12:07:40 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones i was hoping for something more along the lines of a set of numeric examples, or in any sense some math analysis. opinion based we've had already, such as for instance :

12:07:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-12-2013#404631

12:07:45 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

12:07:53 mircea_popescu: (see the prev day too, it was a lengthy discussion)

12:08:40 mircea_popescu: !up los_pantalones

12:08:51 mircea_popescu: also to voice yourself, id with gribble an pm assbot !up

12:09:21 los_pantalones: yeah, learning the ropes here

12:09:24 los_pantalones: trying to follow your rules

12:09:54 los_pantalones: i'll try to get something more concrete for you

12:10:00 los_pantalones: have any experience w/ black-scholes ?

12:10:24 mircea_popescu: inasmuch as i've run 90%+ of all option volume on btc/usd i nthe history of btc, i would say yes.

12:10:38 los_pantalones: ha, MY BAD

12:11:03 mircea_popescu: you can assume complete and absolute comprehension on the part of -assets, like you were talking to god.

12:11:13 mircea_popescu: then if i don't understand wtf you're saying ima ask somebody to read it to me.

12:11:13 los_pantalones: i had forgotten

12:11:37 los_pantalones: welp, let me see if i can put something coherent together in the next couple days

12:12:01 los_pantalones: can i ask if you are pro/anti the accelerated decay argument?

12:12:01 mircea_popescu: no rush.

12:12:09 mircea_popescu: never mind me, argue it for itself.

12:12:22 los_pantalones: yeah, of course, was curious

12:12:38 mircea_popescu: i can see either side.

12:12:43 los_pantalones: k

12:13:16 los_pantalones: that brk_a settles in march 2015 ?

12:13:43 mircea_popescu: Resolution:

12:13:43 mircea_popescu: in 11 months 6 days (17-03-2015)

12:13:51 los_pantalones: tanks

12:14:16 mircea_popescu: a good approach, perhaps, would be to create a class of similar bets and follow them over the history of brk.a

12:14:30 mircea_popescu: to leverage the fact that we have a 50 year history of price signal in that asset.

12:15:17 los_pantalones: i was going to find the optimal time to bet

12:15:37 los_pantalones: and see if that would critically impact other prior bets

12:15:40 mircea_popescu: or thay

12:15:45 mircea_popescu: that*

12:17:05 los_pantalones: k, thanks for the 60 minutes of fun

12:17:29 mircea_popescu: !up dvsdude

12:17:43 dvsdude: ty

12:17:45 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you see that ? "thanks for the 60 minutes of fun" the man says. why can't you be more like that!

12:18:54 mircea_popescu: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/04/11/irs-seizing-tax-refunds-children-grandchildren-over-parents-decades-old-de

12:18:54 ozbot: IRS Seizing Tax Refunds of Children, Grandchildren Over Parents' Decades-Old Debts | Fox News Inside

12:18:58 mircea_popescu: in other news.

12:19:35 BingoBoingo: Well, there's also the standoff in Utah between government forces and a local militia

12:20:00 BingoBoingo: but I think asciilifeform posted that this weekend

12:20:53 mircea_popescu: yeah, didn't the blm leave ?

12:21:07 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/04/12/cliven_bundy_feds_halt_nevada_cattle_seizure.html

12:21:07 ozbot: Cliven Bundy: Feds halt Nevada cattle seizure.

12:21:23 BingoBoingo: Looks like it, or at least they are "pausing" it

12:21:50 mircea_popescu: it's what i'd do too. if the guy takes the cattle away, problem solved. if he doesn't, then by definition they'll still be there,

12:22:01 mircea_popescu: can resume at a later time, when teh people have had time to grind themselves down.

12:22:14 BingoBoingo: Yeah

12:22:20 mircea_popescu: not that it'll work, but that's the very substance of statal collapse : reasonable measures no longer actually work.

12:22:53 BingoBoingo: At least it is a very different thing so far than what would have happened in the 90's

12:23:05 mircea_popescu: very. cause everyone is comparing it to the waco thing.

12:23:21 mircea_popescu: well... there were no thousands of armed people marching on waco from six states

12:23:30 mircea_popescu: and the texas governor wasn't going omgwtfbbq at the feds.

12:23:39 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, that WAS the end of the atf.

12:23:45 BingoBoingo: Well, prolly Ruby Ridge

12:23:58 *: danielpbarron has been to Waco

12:24:32 mircea_popescu: during ? or after ?

12:25:01 BingoBoingo: I'm just thinking that this thing started with one dude and cows as opposed to an entire group of dudes.

12:25:14 danielpbarron: after

12:25:40 danielpbarron: i visited a different false church that was coincidentally located in Waco

12:26:28 BingoBoingo: Waco's a pretty big town

12:26:40 mircea_popescu: well i never been to waco

12:26:49 mircea_popescu: so do people there call each other "you waco" ?

12:27:52 danielpbarron: no, the people there are pretty much the same as anywhere else

12:28:00 danielpbarron: stupid

12:28:09 mircea_popescu: stupid smelly an slow

12:28:35 BingoBoingo: If only Waco was pronounced as a homophone for Whacko

12:34:07 joecool: english is flexible, make it so

12:35:12 BingoBoingo: English may be rather flexible, but Texas is less so

12:35:50 mircea_popescu: lol zing

12:41:06 BingoBoingo: !up los_pantalones

12:46:25 BingoBoingo: Look at this crank http://rmxcrypt.com/

12:48:30 pankkake: argh, inconsistent usage of spaces around parenthesis

12:48:38 pankkake: the "flagman"? lol


12:48:53 fluffypony: because GPG is super unstable

12:49:26 pankkake: apparently "PGP" is an algorithm. it's next to "RSA"

12:50:11 fluffypony: I bet that was written by robwhizz22

12:51:14 pankkake: http://www.mail-archive.com/gnupg-users@gnupg.org/msg20573.html oh apparently you can use ECDSA with GPG!

12:51:14 ozbot: Re: Elliptic curves in gnupg status?(ECC support)

12:51:27 mircea_popescu: da fuck is "absolute stability" supposed to be ?

12:51:45 mircea_popescu: "After the scandal around the National Security Agency (NSA ) of the USA and after revelations of the ex-agent of CIA Edward Snowden it became known that NSA can crack cryptoprotection of Internet communications. "

12:51:47 mircea_popescu: ok nm.

12:51:58 BingoBoingo: Absolute stability prolly means the private key is always the same

12:52:02 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he links to this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Shannon

12:52:16 fluffypony: "Absolutely stability cryptographic system – it’s a system that CAN BE DECIPHERED NEVER AND BY NOBODY AT ANY LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT OF A SCIENCE AND COMPUTER FACILITIES (it can’t be cracked even with the help of supercomputers, for example – with the use of the developed quantum computer, even if it is completely developed in the future, because the RMX protection system is released on a new class of mathematical functions unknown to moder

12:52:16 fluffypony: science)"

12:52:21 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Shannon level information security is hard

12:52:26 mircea_popescu: da fuck, if you're gonna refer to unrelated matters in your captatio, at least get the facts straight. snowden was a contractor not an agent.

12:52:47 mircea_popescu: fluffypony oh that ? the greeks had it. here's an example :

12:53:02 mircea_popescu: Ξ

12:53:11 mircea_popescu: you'll never be able to decypher what i meant by that. ever.

12:54:03 ThickAsThieves: ah mp, i just sent a ;;later tell, forgetting the user list is reordered by +

12:54:21 ThickAsThieves: does that mean you dont get it til signing off and on again?

12:54:46 pankkake: ;;notes

12:54:51 pankkake: ;;more

12:55:09 ThickAsThieves: ;;email

12:55:14 ThickAsThieves: !email

12:55:18 ThickAsThieves: $email

12:55:18 pankkake: $email

12:55:27 mircea_popescu: and in the same vein : http://fraudsters.com/2009/mi-a-venit-o-idee-extraordinara/

12:55:42 mircea_popescu: it's been an open challenge to my readers for 5 years now, to crack that shit.

12:55:45 Anduck: what is the service?

12:55:53 ThickAsThieves: a joke

12:55:58 danielpbarron: nice

12:56:13 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, next gribble sees me speak.

12:57:34 dexX7: ;;notes help

12:58:04 mircea_popescu: lol mirceau

12:58:10 mircea_popescu: ;;notes mirceau_popescu

12:58:30 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03u dood, there's no u in mircea

12:58:39 mircea_popescu: ;;notes MmmmYah

12:58:50 dexX7: where do those notes come from?

12:58:52 mircea_popescu: ;;notes princessnell

12:59:03 mircea_popescu: ahaha! check out the GRIBBLE HEARTBLEED

12:59:05 pankkake: oh you can see them that way… I know I missed one with a typo and it must have expired

12:59:25 ThickAsThieves: lol

12:59:29 pankkake: ;;notes later

12:59:36 ThickAsThieves: the gribble dribble!

12:59:40 mircea_popescu: lol

13:00:17 ThickAsThieves: imagine all the scandal we missed in the past

13:00:45 TestingUnoDosTre: Mirceauauu, could I'm a professional reporter from blog XYZ, could I speak with you privately? It's urgent

13:09:01 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre orly.

13:20:04 jurov: fluffypony: is the squatter doing anytihng interesting?

13:26:32 fluffypony: jurov: he was hurling insults at Ssateneth for kbanning him

13:26:34 fluffypony: but other than that, no

13:33:45 mircea_popescu: !up Skirmant

13:41:31 mircea_popescu: and now for mah favourite part of the day : the reading of the logs!

13:43:15 mircea_popescu: artifexd it's an educated guess, like anything else. the educated part is significant, but i've not published it. it's a complicated thing, this. i tend to readily publish the dirt on actors when they fuck up, like the sec misadventure. but it's kind-of unsportsmanlike to do the same when they're just acting rationally. anyway, complicated matter.

13:43:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ << this, you'll probably appreciate.

13:46:34 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

13:50:48 mircea_popescu: !up jadne

13:51:00 mircea_popescu: anyone remembers how registering with gribble actually works ?

13:51:04 mircea_popescu: i've pretty much forgotten

13:51:25 kakobrekla: ;;eregister

13:51:52 mircea_popescu: ;;more

13:52:01 mircea_popescu: jadne ^

13:53:13 jadne: thx

13:53:42 dexX7: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566626.msg6184795#msg6184795 cold storage dildo/plug x_x

13:53:44 ozbot: A sneak peak at the future of Bitcoin Cold Storage

13:53:55 mircea_popescu: haha srsly ?

13:54:31 dexX7: it's real

13:54:43 mircea_popescu: dexX7 tell crazy rabbit to come over will ya

13:54:53 mircea_popescu: ima sponsor his thing

13:54:59 dexX7: hahaha really?

13:55:09 mircea_popescu: too good to pass

13:56:35 dexX7: msg sent

13:56:56 mircea_popescu: pankkake you doing that imgboard yet ?

14:02:19 nubbins`: neat device

14:02:35 nubbins`: ^ so much work for two words ;(

14:02:54 mircea_popescu: lol

14:03:05 mircea_popescu: dude it tokk you what, a minute ?

14:03:20 mircea_popescu: that's like... a quarter ?

14:04:16 bounce: http://bitcloudproject.org/

14:04:17 ozbot: Bitcloud

14:05:05 mircea_popescu: bounce youre trolling right ?

14:05:36 bounce: apparently they've been at it for months, not getting anywhere, and now are looking for funding?

14:05:52 nubbins`: 50 seconds ;(

14:05:58 nubbins`: my time is precious D;

14:06:07 mircea_popescu: "I'll be making money in the form of a small percentage of grid income, since I will establish myself as an active and effective grid owner of one of the most advanced grids out there. Maybe I'll also have a few DA's that are easily supported by the Bitcloud platform, too."

14:06:26 mircea_popescu: wait, no submarines ? i liked the submarines and dukedoms and reversed true/false numeric values idea better

14:06:42 Anduck: their faq doesnt work

14:06:43 mircea_popescu: this is just watered down what'shisname

14:06:45 nubbins`: lel, +0

14:06:50 mircea_popescu: !up zoinky

14:06:54 nubbins`: (see what i did there?)

14:07:15 bounce: +0 and -0, 'cuz all you need is the sign, right?

14:07:17 jurov: you mean urbait?

14:07:22 mircea_popescu: urbit there we go

14:07:43 mircea_popescu: the only project in history to have actually fielded leaky submarines.

14:07:47 mircea_popescu: imagine the fun on board!

14:08:20 bounce: did urbit make it to the bbc, boing boing, something I can't decipher, wired, el grauniad, AND tech radar?

14:08:46 mircea_popescu: lol. i see what you did there!

14:08:58 mircea_popescu: but srsly, it had splendid media exposure. pretty much anyone who's someone in it had heard of it.

14:09:17 mircea_popescu: in that respect gotta hand it to the guy : one of the best launches i've seen.

14:09:41 mircea_popescu: that's rare. competent marketer that for some incomprehensible reason figures he's a thinking man.

14:09:48 *: bounce did a quick search on log., didn't turn up much.

14:10:45 bounce: so hire'im on condition he only thinks about marketeering, and leaves the other pretense at the door.

14:11:07 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#473636

14:11:09 mircea_popescu: like that ?

14:11:11 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

14:11:27 mircea_popescu: bounce too drunk on his own farts to be hireable.

14:12:45 joecool: hm cloud to butt really improves this log

14:12:51 joecool: 03:27:08herbijudlestoids:bitbutt has nothing.

14:12:52 joecool: 03:27:19mircea_popescu:but bitbutt has bit and butt

14:13:13 joecool: goes along with the farts

14:14:23 kakobrekla: <dexX7> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566626.msg6184795#msg6184795 cold storage dildo/plug x_x

14:14:30 kakobrekla: is this really a dildo?

14:14:40 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla for loose women.

14:14:45 kakobrekla: i dont understand that device at all

14:14:52 kakobrekla: it shines but where are the keys ?

14:15:00 mircea_popescu: upup

14:15:03 mircea_popescu: indabutt

14:15:03 dexX7: there is a nfc chip inside

14:15:06 bounce: apparently my google-fu is lacking. anyway, $source thinks they need to go down before they manage to rake in funding. that'd be the message.

14:15:27 mircea_popescu: bounce that didn't parse

14:15:46 jurov: someone actually acted on the hookers+microphone proposal?

14:16:04 jurov: as in, the dildo must actually be used when signing the tx?

14:16:32 jurov: I APPROVE

14:16:41 mircea_popescu: "here's this bit of plastic. make it orgasm, you may spend your bitcoin. otherwise... make someone else orgasm, spend their bitcoin"

14:16:44 mircea_popescu: radical whoredom.

14:16:54 dexX7: i think it's more like "store your key, come back later, restore key"

14:17:09 mircea_popescu: wait. to restore means to store again or to unstore ?!

14:17:43 bounce: "retrieve coins" would be the point, I suppose. which apparently involves destroying the thing.

14:18:17 dexX7: :D

14:18:21 dexX7: it means this thing does not sign anything

14:18:51 mircea_popescu: you know, lulz and jokes aside, a permanent insertion is fucking uncomfortable.

14:19:27 TestingUnoDosTre: So does it generate a tx when broken, or does I have some wallet file stored inside?

14:20:06 mircea_popescu: seems to me like it's a normal usb stick encased in a plastic frame

14:20:23 dexX7: replace usb with nfc and plastic with glass

14:20:32 mircea_popescu: mine's cheaper.

14:20:39 dexX7: probably not as shiny

14:21:22 TestingUnoDosTre: I can smash your usb and gain access to your bitcoins!? Now that's a true brute force

14:21:42 mircea_popescu: first you gotta ravish her couch

14:21:44 mircea_popescu: cooch*

14:22:33 TestingUnoDosTre: With the device? If so, usb probly is more secure

14:22:54 mircea_popescu: i guess the next logical step is silicone implants

14:23:09 mircea_popescu: ultimate saving device : you will take thoise out once you're old.

14:23:16 mircea_popescu: at which point, your bitcoin savings become spendable.

14:25:16 TestingUnoDosTre: Now that's something I would invest in

14:26:10 mircea_popescu: srsly. this really should be part of obamacare. any woman over 30 may get her tits fixed, take the stuff out upon retirement.

14:27:45 TestingUnoDosTre: Over 30? That seems a little steep

14:28:18 mircea_popescu: why ?

14:28:36 mircea_popescu: dub actually romania had a seismologist who went on tv and predicted an earthquake. fucking panic ensued

14:28:42 mircea_popescu: then no earthquake.

14:29:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wheat << neato.

14:29:38 mircea_popescu: i am going to explain EVERYTHING(tm) before i'm done, i tell you.

14:30:19 mircea_popescu: or at least make such a complete mess of everything nobody'll be able to entangle it and everyone'll just move on to another language.

14:30:30 mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, has already happened numerous times in history)

14:30:57 TestingUnoDosTre: And then acronyms came and fixed it all

14:32:14 mircea_popescu: Indubitably Necessarily Definitely Exactly Exactly Definitely.

14:33:09 mircea_popescu: artifexd:

14:33:09 mircea_popescu: Here, mircea and I should not exist in the same caste. I'm just a normal dude. He's a Romanian Billionare. WITH A B! I can conceive of no reason that someone that high up the food chain would give two shits about what I think or why I think it. << it's the internet, dood. why else did you think it was revolutionary ?

14:33:46 TestingUnoDosTre: Because it haz cat pix

14:33:47 bounce: so, egalite for everyone?

14:34:37 mircea_popescu: bounce no, but we can still talk. either are excesses : omg can't talk to no-one except other rear admirals / omg everyone i talk to is exactly like me. middle fucking bitcoineus i say!

14:37:13 mircea_popescu: artifexd: Because, seriously, who the fuck am I? << you were here at the right time lol. what the fuck do you imagine a barony is ? exactly that, review the early english history :D

14:37:29 bounce: "we're not worthy!" qv. wayne's world.

14:38:16 mircea_popescu: i don't think i saw wayne's world

14:39:57 bounce: apropos, that nurture-not-nature for elitism argument isn't very well developed. nice examples, but I don't see'em supporting the premise.

14:40:44 mircea_popescu: do you understand the difference between a good and a not so good bug report ?

14:42:28 bounce: :-)

14:46:42 nubbins`: some years ago, a "seer" predicted a huge tsunami would hit here

14:46:50 nubbins`: everyone went down to the waterfront to watch it come in ;(

14:47:01 mircea_popescu: lol

14:47:30 mike_c: !up los_pantalones

14:48:03 mike_c: los_pantalones: if you're working on that, something that I have always felt about exponential time decay is that it is really no better than just closing the bet early.

14:48:16 mike_c: so if you can disprove that, it would be interesting.

14:49:36 mike_c: !up peterl

14:49:57 bounce: afraid I'm gonna have to do a writeup. n'mind until then.

14:50:20 mircea_popescu: bounce publish on your blog, link to the offensive thing, omfg we're creating value out of nowhere!

14:51:13 peterl: There are probably different results if the resolution date is known (like X will win on such date) vs bets with unknown and possibly early resolving dates (like X will stay above Y until such date)

14:51:53 peterl: you might need two separate mathematical models to analyse the two different types of bets?

14:53:19 artifexd: http://weknowmemes.com/generator/uploads/generated/g135235011877110170.jpg

14:53:32 mircea_popescu: peterl prolly.

15:04:39 los_pantalones: up!

15:04:55 los_pantalones: mike_c can you close a bet on bitbet?

15:04:58 los_pantalones: you have to take the other side

15:05:04 los_pantalones: and both your bets sit in escrow

15:05:06 los_pantalones: until resolution

15:05:08 los_pantalones: right?

15:05:13 mike_c: right

15:05:21 los_pantalones: so, there is opportunity cost

15:05:37 los_pantalones: traditionally, closing your bet would give you all your money back

15:05:44 los_pantalones: so i would venture to guess you are right

15:05:50 los_pantalones: but in this case there is a penalty to closing your bet

15:05:53 los_pantalones: in added margining

15:06:25 los_pantalones: i haven't bet anything on bitbet yet so if i sound like a total idiot, i'm sorry

15:06:37 los_pantalones: just started looking into it and was trying to get my head around some of the bigger bets

15:06:44 mike_c: not sure what you mean by traditionally. generally in betting you can only close your bet by taking the other side

15:06:54 mike_c: like getting a middle in sports betting

15:07:18 los_pantalones: i only know financial and phys commodities markets

15:07:32 los_pantalones: in which case you have no position on and all your cash

15:07:37 los_pantalones: to reinvest / spend elsewhere

15:07:50 mike_c: yes, this is different because you can't sell a position.

15:07:54 los_pantalones: right

15:08:08 los_pantalones: so there is a big opportunity cost of taking the other side

15:08:29 los_pantalones: wouldn't that also increase liquidity on the other side of the bet

15:08:38 los_pantalones: perhaps incenting more players

15:08:50 los_pantalones: thus decreasing your payout

15:08:56 los_pantalones: is it equiv? are you still flat?

15:09:02 los_pantalones: or can someone expose you by betting later?

15:09:22 los_pantalones: do you have to constantly reweight the size of your other side ?

15:09:46 mike_c: i would think that would be the case. i would welcome an analysis of that topic with numbers and examples :)

15:09:54 kakobrekla: <mike_c> yes, this is different because you can't sell a position. < its taking awfully long for someone to code that.

15:10:03 los_pantalones: ok

15:10:10 TestingUnoDosTre: Oooh reselling bitbet positions, I like this idea

15:10:26 mike_c: bitbet is fertile ground for add-on projects.

15:21:17 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=570248.0

15:21:18 ozbot: bitstamp - API woes

15:21:20 kakobrekla: lol

15:21:57 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-discreet-escort-or-how-bitcoin-makes-prostitution-unprosecutable/ ask and ye shall receive.

15:22:11 kakobrekla: >API calls are returning a captcha page. Regular visits to the site do so as well, but unlike me, my bot is unable to solve the captcha on its own.

15:23:19 mircea_popescu: "Why run an API through Incapsula?"

15:23:26 mircea_popescu: i think the answer is self-oblivious.

15:24:26 mircea_popescu: !up arizona

15:26:47 mike_c: the mediawiki scammers have bots that solve captcha. apparently that is more important than bitstamp.

15:30:28 mircea_popescu: mike_c or more widely deployed

15:30:47 arizona: Hello?

15:30:54 kakobrekla: yes, this is dog.

15:31:27 arizona: Thank you

15:31:28 mircea_popescu: are you a hot blonde with a sister whose name is alabama and was played by patricia arquette in tarantino's movie ?

15:32:36 arizona: Oh, no. LOL.

15:32:46 thestringpuller: dog, this is cat, i have some bad news.

15:33:14 mircea_popescu: a well. wrong arizona then :p

15:33:50 benkay: Namworld:Assuming Karpeles doesn't get to keep his 100k that he "also lost" << oh, he will. "what bitcoins?"

15:33:50 arizona: I don't say much here. I enjoy reading and learning. I like your columns, Mr. Popescu. You are a very good writer.

15:34:28 mircea_popescu: why ty.

15:35:21 *: mircea_popescu pets dog & gives it a cookie

15:36:00 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre: Does mp use bitstamp? << naw.

15:36:26 mircea_popescu: also, atc is a currency.

15:36:39 mircea_popescu: unlike bitcoin, which is not. complicated shit.

15:38:05 thestringpuller: benkay: bitcoin isn't a currency anymore?

15:38:08 thestringpuller: oops

15:38:15 thestringpuller: @ mircea_popescu **

15:39:01 mircea_popescu: not anymore than chocolate gold coins

15:39:18 thestringpuller: what makes atc a currency then?

15:39:28 BingoBoingo: Magic

15:40:32 thestringpuller: oh boy i love magic

15:41:22 mircea_popescu: Namworld:Depends on the sort of capital they have. Gox's name isn't what's doomed. << you gotta be kiddin' me.

15:41:31 mircea_popescu: !up justusranvier

15:43:29 mircea_popescu: "Is this still being mined.... I mined it when it had a coingen.io logo still and No source hahahaha"

15:43:39 mircea_popescu: lol. longest lived altcoin in history ?

15:44:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you makin' a killing on this thing yet ? :D

15:44:43 Apocalyptic: I heard the price is up 50% from last week, he better :)

15:44:50 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not a killing, but steady incremental gains

15:44:57 mircea_popescu: even better.

15:46:00 BingoBoingo: I've just been locking the price into a range I find sustainable and magic happens

15:48:33 benkay: why is altcoin a currency and bitcoin not?

15:49:04 mike_c: my take: altcoin is made for spending, bitcoin is made for storing wealth.

15:51:50 mircea_popescu: benkay i'm just being steganographical. see because sometimes the things i say are in reality secret messages for uknown third parties according to secret schemes of encoding and so forth.

15:51:56 mircea_popescu: !up kill-9all

15:53:23 danielpbarron: IRS says BTC isn't a currency so that's that

15:53:24 mircea_popescu: in other news,

15:53:24 mircea_popescu: http://www.havenews.com/news/local-news/havelock-police-bust-party-charge-mother-teens-with-alcohol-offenses-1.301928

15:53:25 ozbot: Havelock police bust party, charge mother, teens with alcohol offenses - Local News - The Havelock N

15:55:22 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

15:55:35 danielpbarron: "The juveniles told the officers that there was a party that was out of control and people were drinking and smoking weed" NARCS!

15:55:42 benkay: why is it crashing?

15:56:05 benkay: whatever happened to 'cops are coming - run!'

15:56:07 benkay: ?

15:56:30 thestringpuller: money i$ king

15:59:25 mircea_popescu: "VCs plow $46 million more into writing community Wattpad --> it's like Youtube for stories"

15:59:30 mircea_popescu: holy shit.

15:59:30 TestingUnoDosTre: Haha marijuana in the toilet bowl. Gotta torch the evidence, newbies

15:59:36 mircea_popescu: it's like canning for farts.

15:59:56 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre they were prolly doing bath salts

16:01:24 TestingUnoDosTre: Fun fact: someone I know sent to a dispensary in Denver that sold bath salts, but the cashier had to warn" not the ones you're thinking of"

16:01:32 mircea_popescu: so citi conference call, all they want to talk about is how they're cutting costs.

16:01:51 mircea_popescu: fucking kiss of death, this, only commodified businesses have the time. finance is dead.

16:03:32 thestringpuller: ^- well that's good to hear no?

16:04:15 mircea_popescu: depends. not if you're invested in citi.

16:04:30 mircea_popescu: in other-other news, the us preparing for electricity rationing :

16:04:30 mircea_popescu: http://www.vox.com/2014/4/14/5604992/us-power-grid-vulnerability

16:04:31 ozbot: It's way too easy to cause a massive blackout in the US - Vox

16:04:51 mircea_popescu: it's gonna be a long hot summer boys and girls. no better way to get the masses to believe in global warming than keeping them without ac for a summer.

16:05:08 mircea_popescu: likely to hit the south the worst, too, which is ideal on at least two counts.

16:05:55 TestingUnoDosTre: Why so?

16:05:57 benkay: a sniper opened fire on an electric(al) substation?

16:06:02 benkay: dude.

16:06:03 benkay: no.

16:06:13 benkay: okay i get journos are tarded.

16:06:17 benkay: get it

16:06:30 fluffypony: the Electricity Ninja cometh...

16:06:39 benkay: oh god vox.com

16:07:11 danielpbarron: i prefer to go without AC; I like being out in the sun while the summer lasts

16:07:29 danielpbarron: but i'm in "the north," so that's easier for me to say

16:08:13 benkay: http://operationmutualaid1.webs.com/

16:08:13 ozbot: OPERATION MUTUAL AID

16:08:20 mircea_popescu: s/1/s/

16:08:35 bounce: what was it again, guaranteed (low) prices for consumers and "free market" stupidity for suppliers, in california, that led to under-investing in infrastructure and utilities basically bleeding themselves dry, leading to years to come full of brownouts and blackouts

16:09:24 mircea_popescu: something like that.

16:09:35 Apocalyptic: <benkay> a sniper opened fire on an electric(al) substation? << sounds legit

16:09:48 mircea_popescu: plus absurdistan ecological regulations, like being criminally responsible for birds flying into your intake vents

16:09:53 benkay: coulda sworn it was assault rifles Apocalyptic

16:09:57 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic this was an actual event btw.

16:09:59 bounce: you really need no "sniper" people (or just people with a fork lift driving into a high voltage mast, as happened elsewhere) for an unstable grid. politicians will do just fine.

16:10:08 benkay: and at close range

16:10:22 mircea_popescu: it was assault rifles, and at close range.

16:10:25 benkay: (how the fuck do you snipe *anything* inside a substation - lines of sight have to be like 20ft max)

16:10:40 mircea_popescu: they're conveniently forgetting to mention the ominous part where the attackers disabled the security with minimal, expert moves.

16:10:52 bounce: assault rifles are still a bit of a poor choice. wrenches do better.

16:11:04 bounce: or squirrels, for that matter.

16:11:05 mircea_popescu: bounce how so ? do the energy calc.

16:11:21 mircea_popescu: or you mean "wrenches" as in, "lengths of chain"

16:11:42 benkay: http://operationmutualaid1.webs.com/apps/forums/show/7020492-general-discussion

16:11:43 ozbot: General Discussion

16:11:45 benkay: i want a bitmilitia.

16:12:18 bounce: or that. anything to cause a nice electrical fire. bullets have a harder time there, despite their awesome speed. substations are like that.

16:12:19 mircea_popescu: http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/247525/sun-times-kills-comments-until-it-can-fix-morass-of-negativity-racism-and-hate-speech/

16:12:20 ozbot: Sun-Times kills comments until it can fix ‘morass of negativity, racism, and hate speech’ | Poyn

16:12:29 mircea_popescu: herpy derp. how about fixing butthurt.

16:12:42 Apocalyptic: too much butts to fix

16:12:49 mircea_popescu: bounce not really. all the bullet needs to do is perforate the coolant room. anywhere.

16:12:57 mircea_popescu: the thing goes offline w/o coolant.

16:13:55 mircea_popescu: and because of ecological concerns, old style coolant mixtures that were azerotropic were replaced with new, more expensive formulations. a punctured coolant room means you have to empty, was and refill.

16:14:00 mircea_popescu: you cant just top up and seal.

16:15:10 bounce: hm. burned to the ground or shut down by regulations. alright, the red tape wins.

16:15:12 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i wonder if they'll do a wot-based +m :D

16:15:30 mircea_popescu: bounce it's not trivial to actually burn down a modern transformer.

16:16:40 Apocalyptic: mircea, prolly not :)

16:17:19 TestingUnoDosTre: There IS more than meets the eye

16:17:24 mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy, "this newspaper closed until we can find some not-retartded people to read it"

16:18:22 bounce: I'm reminded of the register, where they used to moderate each and every comment, and then gradually lifted the requirement. they have a reasonably vibrant commenter community, without requiring facebook or real names or what-have-you.

16:19:24 mircea_popescu: i still think discussion is impossible absent identity.

16:19:38 mircea_popescu: it doesn't have to be "real", because wtf is that real mean, but it does have to be identity.

16:20:05 benkay: disqus: your friendly omnicient identity broker.

16:20:20 mircea_popescu: hardly.

16:20:22 mircea_popescu: "The magazine couldn?t afford moderators, as many news organizations can?t." herp.

16:20:39 mircea_popescu: but if you can't afford what you need, isn't that an indication that you shouldn't be doing what you're doing ?

16:20:40 TestingUnoDosTre: Or editors for that matter

16:20:44 mircea_popescu: why do people's brains not work ?

16:20:58 bounce: there's places that allow 'true' unnamed discussion and have it work fine, too

16:21:20 mircea_popescu: 4chan ?

16:21:34 mircea_popescu: only one i can think of. and the definition of "fine" must be pretty... broad.

16:21:58 mircea_popescu: (read that again. fine = pretty broad. jesus i fucking love myself har har har)

16:22:18 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/04/14/new_sipri_data_russia_china_and_saudi_arabia_dramatically_increase_arms.html

16:22:18 ozbot: New SIPRI data: Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia dramatically increase arms spending.

16:22:43 mircea_popescu: ouch. wasn't china already spending a lot ?

16:22:47 danielpbarron: heh

16:23:06 bounce: not just 4chan. slashdot is another

16:23:28 BingoBoingo: Yeah

16:23:38 BingoBoingo: Now it is a lot-er

16:24:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and the thing is, god help you if you sell the chinese golden toilets. afaik nobody got shot when it was discovered haliburton "misplaced" 1 bn in the various senatorial etc campaign slushfunds in iraq

16:25:06 mircea_popescu: yet the chinese routinely shoot people for 1mn

16:28:45 TestingUnoDosTre: Maybe even 1 mn yen

16:29:23 bounce: interesting to see the differences. as an up-and-coming empire they're occasionally serious about appearing to be a functional government (as well as not that respectful of human life; they feel they have too many people running around already), where the US, er, works a bit differently.

16:41:24 TestingUnoDosTre: My bank claims to use no openNESS. Any easy way to verify this claim?

16:45:43 mike_c: test its servers for heartbleed?

16:46:53 mircea_popescu: bounce the little known fact is that china was always the world's empire.

16:47:05 mircea_popescu: what the us pretends for itself, china has been, for the past ~5000 years

16:47:20 mircea_popescu: with temporary century-long interruptions due to invasions and whatnot. it always reverted.

16:47:48 benkay: everything oscillates. there is no such thing as steady state in natural systems.

16:48:15 mircea_popescu: sure there is. the steady state of humans is being dead.

16:48:21 benkay: pff

16:48:23 benkay: decomposition

16:48:26 mircea_popescu: the steady state of planet earth is china being teh world empire

16:48:37 benkay: for a century at a time with interruptions

16:48:43 benkay: doesn't sound so steady to me

16:48:46 mircea_popescu: benkay no but on the naively nominalist view that "you" existed sincer forever and will exist forever. soul or w/e.

16:49:10 benkay: just a mass of undifferentiated atoms banging off each other

16:49:29 mircea_popescu: in that physicalist view you'll have trouble showing people even exist at all.

16:49:30 benkay: don't bring that mystical claptrap around here

16:49:44 benkay: yeah well what is a people?

16:49:54 benkay: does free agency exist?

16:51:02 mircea_popescu: or in the words of tornatore (uomo delle stelle), "e il mondo vero, or solo per finta ?"

16:51:16 mircea_popescu: which incidentally is a great film.

16:52:12 bounce: china was always quite a lot self-centered. this appears to be a bit less the case of late.

16:52:34 mircea_popescu: maybe. hard to tell really.

16:53:33 TestingUnoDosTre: Translate the tornatore

16:54:25 jurov: bounce they need to secure oil and other supplies from others

16:54:26 mircea_popescu: is the world for real, or just pretense ?

16:54:46 bounce: it's all make believe whichever way you look at it

16:55:04 bounce: doesn't stop shit from getting real, though

16:55:31 TestingUnoDosTre: Hahaha

16:55:33 mircea_popescu: bounce guy saying is a shepherd.

16:56:03 benkay: well the things are real. the constructs i wrap around them are just figments of my own mind.

16:56:05 mircea_popescu: who doesn't think farmers understand, because for shephers... c'e diverso. e con le stelle, uno puo parlare.

16:59:45 bounce: I think I'm missing context here.

17:00:30 bounce: anyway, china going communist has, well, at least given a different flavour to the thing. wonder if and when they're going to do something about that

17:01:01 mircea_popescu: i don't think they were ever anything else.

17:01:32 mircea_popescu: buncha equal peons, and the emperor drunk out of his mind. between these, a bureaucracy, completely arbitrarily "educated" by rote.

17:01:41 mircea_popescu: this has been china for pretty much the entire interval

17:01:58 mircea_popescu: even things the russians mistake for "slav spirit" are about as chinese as it can be.

17:02:08 mircea_popescu: the mir is definitely stolen from them

17:02:49 bounce: you're saying that communism has turned out irrelevant to the chinese

17:03:06 mircea_popescu: sorta like rice flavouring.

17:03:10 mircea_popescu: they were eating rice anyway.

17:03:15 mircea_popescu: rice flavoured rice is like...

17:04:55 bounce: they did used to have technology, like that earthquake detector, that they subsequently forgot how to make work. bit sloppy for a state to forget its own achievements, and not even the excuse of getting toppled and replaced

17:05:15 mircea_popescu: what's this ? the sheep bladder system ?

17:06:22 bounce: wooden octagonal thingy with stone balls, IIRC

17:08:10 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/norwegian-fisherman-discovers-dildo-inside-cod-stomach-1562947859

17:08:11 ozbot: Norwegian Fisherman Discovers Dildo Inside Cod Stomach

17:08:19 mircea_popescu: http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0032689/quotes

17:08:20 ozbot: Sir Bedevere (Character) - Quotes

17:08:49 mircea_popescu: lol. think of the implications had they discovered it in the cod's tail rather than stomach.

17:10:11 TestingUnoDosTre: He found a cold storage wallet!?!

17:10:31 mircea_popescu: a cod storage wallet.

17:15:11 BingoBoingo: http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/rotterdams-meisje-opgepakt-na-twitteren-over-aanslag

17:15:12 ozbot: Rotterdams meisje opgepakt na twitteren over aanslag | RTL Nieuws

17:15:21 BingoBoingo: 14 year old was arrested for tweets

17:16:04 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "If I believe at any point there is value or use in them I can just… take… them. If experience is any guide, I shall take them the next day" << do you reccommend that as a general strategy?

17:16:45 dexX7: tweet to american airlines: "Hi my name is Ibrahim and I am from Afghanistan I am part of al-Qaeda, and on June 1, I'm going to do something really big day. . "

17:17:49 pankkake: all tweets should be illegal anyway. also http://slashdot.org/story/14/04/14/0122203/44-of-twitter-users-have-never-tweeted

17:18:30 bounce: the great unwashed and shutting up. there's an idea. though we'd be left with spambots. indiscernible, perhaps, but not an improvement.

17:21:48 asciilifeform: lolz, i get up for half a day and come back to 'btc arsesafe is actual product'

17:24:22 ThickAsThieves: "winners" list from OneSpark, if anyone is interested http://www.beonespark.com/results

17:26:32 asciilifeform: ;;google rectal houdini

17:27:19 pankkake: I think I saw a butt plug where you could store things

17:27:43 pankkake: or maybe you can commission the rosebud guy

17:28:13 rithm: 100% assanine

17:28:42 pankkake: mircea_popescu: about the image board thing, I don't know if there is an actual demand. I'll see how expensive (in terms of maintenance) it is in the coming days

17:30:04 pankkake: apparently danny let a cat die

17:33:18 asciilifeform: lolmatic:

17:33:19 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/04/goldman-sachs-code-thief-02.htm

17:43:19 asciilifeform: re: 'code thief' - when people say, 'X can also have problems,' that doesn't necessarily mean 'car bomb.' it can also look like this.

17:45:44 thestringpuller: ;;calc ( 0.00096593 - 0.00095473 ) / 0.00096593

17:46:09 thestringpuller: $depth mpoe

18:10:06 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/oberlin-debates-wisdom-of-trigger-warnings-on-every-las-1562955196

18:10:06 ozbot: Oberlin Debates Wisdom of Trigger Warnings on Every Last Thing

18:18:29 asciilifeform: http://gawker.com/the-astounding-conspiracy-theories-of-wall-street-geniu-1561427624

18:21:15 BingoBoingo: http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/04/14/1144256/mathematicians-use-mossberg-500-pump-action-shotgun-to-calculate-pi

18:21:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the simplest test of rng bias involves exactly this kind of calculation

18:21:53 asciilifeform: 'monte carlo pi'

18:22:35 asciilifeform: and doesn't everyone remember calculating pi this way, by throwing stones in a chalk circle in square, in grade school ?

18:22:47 BingoBoingo: Indeed. It is simply amazing though that it can be done with off the shelf equipment from Walmart's sporting goods section

18:22:57 mike_c: no. where did you go to grade school?

18:23:23 asciilifeform: usa, dc area

18:23:29 asciilifeform: for 3rd grade and up

18:23:34 asciilifeform: even here they have chalk.

18:23:38 asciilifeform: and a yard

18:24:05 mike_c: i don't think i knew what pi was in 3rd grade. maybe my memory is faulty.

18:24:25 asciilifeform: it wasn't part of the curriculum, as far as i recall

18:24:31 asciilifeform: but chalk was permitted

18:26:05 BingoBoingo: Really this is just the case of doing something already know yet forgotten and presenting it as a new scoop.

18:26:21 asciilifeform: ;;google asimov feeling of power

18:34:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think this is probably your strongest case for why x86 has to die

18:35:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ?

18:38:03 BingoBoingo: Well, how much of computing has already been forgotten from things alledging to be curriculums.

18:38:13 BingoBoingo: on the subject

18:39:36 BingoBoingo: Java programmers who merely stitch together libraries and want embeded chips capable of running Java when a Z80 would be fine

18:42:42 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/binarybits/status/455763759907487744

18:42:49 FabianB: .d

18:44:03 FabianB: ;;bc,stats

18:55:47 TestingUnoDosTre: That's not the real Timothy B Lee, right?

18:56:57 TestingUnoDosTre: Ahh it's just some knockoff arstechnica writer

18:58:15 TestingUnoDosTre: Was worried the world wide web was invented by a guy that just recently wants to format an opinion on password managers. Phew

19:02:55 BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Yeah

19:05:26 TestingUnoDosTre: Funny comment from the pi calculation slashdot article" Goddamn mathematician wasting precious ammunition to have a statistics wank-fest after MY goddamn zombie apocalypse?

19:05:26 TestingUnoDosTre: I'd put a random distribution of holes in his worthless head!

19:05:26 TestingUnoDosTre: "

19:28:53 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

19:52:11 artifexd: http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2602816

19:52:25 artifexd: BingoBoingo: Did you write that? ;)

19:53:22 artifexd: What happened to ozbot?

19:54:36 mike_c: !up ozbot

19:54:54 artifexd: It isn't even in the channel

19:55:05 mike_c: it got pissed about the new elitism.

19:55:38 artifexd: Maybe it should be renamed to Marvin

19:55:45 artifexd: !up mjr_

19:56:55 fluffypony: any recommendations for a reasonable VPS provider that won't throw a tantrum if I run a bitcoin node? DigitalOcean want me to provide DNA samples and ownership of my unborn child to allow me to create a new VPS (despite having two hosted with them for the past 18 months)

19:56:58 BingoBoingo: artifexd: I did not.

19:57:11 pankkake: fluffypony: EDIS

19:57:23 artifexd: I knew that. It just seemed like something you would write. Anti-CA and all.

19:57:41 fluffypony: pankkake: had an average-ish experience with them a while back, will give them another spin

19:58:37 BingoBoingo: artifexd: Well, I probably would have opened it a bit differently.

20:00:02 BingoBoingo: I wonder when someone will release a "Vaxberry Pi" credit card sized vax board

20:00:28 BingoBoingo: (or other older architectures would be welcome)

20:01:46 fluffypony: ooooh, a credit card sized C64 would be magic

20:02:50 jurov: fluffypony, gandi?

20:03:35 fluffypony: jurov: didn't even know they have a VPS offering

20:03:36 fluffypony: sweet

20:04:14 benkay: if you're not planning to mine, fluffypony you might try ipxcore

20:04:31 fluffypony: benkay: not for mining, just as a spare electrum server

20:05:11 benkay: what could go wrong? :D

20:05:20 fluffypony: exactly!

20:09:38 dub: linode is best

20:10:08 Apocalyptic: jurov, are you satisfied with gandi services in general ?

20:11:14 jurov: yes. except for one small case where they insist routing of traffic between paris and aws ireland via the US

20:11:37 jurov: but i could fix that by using ipv6

20:12:03 jurov: and at least they admitted the problem

20:13:31 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: More electrum servers is a good thing.

20:13:56 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yup, and I'm not hosting it on any of my dedi boxes if I can avoid it

20:14:20 Apocalyptic: <jurov> and at least they admitted the problem // that's not something you see everyday in this industry indeed

20:16:51 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: More nodes in general is good. Since I've started playing with electrum, I've become a bit interested in seeing how without a sufficient number of servers its model might approach par with SPV in some ways.

20:17:56 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yeah, and with a sufficient number of nodes it's also good from a privacy perspective

20:18:05 fluffypony: I really like Electrum, much more than MultiBit

20:19:32 BingoBoingo: I like the Multibit interface more for handling multiple wallet, but I'm liking Electrum more and more as I play with it. I just wish there was a good solution for handling both Deterministic and random generation wallets.

20:20:33 fluffypony: you can import privkeys for random generated wallets in electrum?

20:21:39 dignork: fluffypony, you can, but then you'll have to treat your wallet as non-deterministic

20:21:58 fluffypony: yes

20:22:39 fluffypony: so you make sure you have the privkeys backed up/written down for your random addresses

20:22:47 fluffypony: and the rest are all deterministic, including your change addresses

20:23:21 BingoBoingo: There are a number of reasons to want wallets with different kinds of behavior. For some purposes different change addresses is a bug.

20:24:32 dignork: BingoBoingo, when would you want to disable change addresses?

20:25:21 BingoBoingo: MP had a good writeup on the subject of Address reuse being good for certain kinds of privacy, but finding it might take some digging.

20:25:55 dignork: "no such thing as taint" ?

20:26:47 BingoBoingo: An eatlier one, I believe on MPEx design

20:43:11 [\]: m00

21:02:08 nubbins`: no onjoin msg from assbot anymore?

21:02:29 benkay: i've seen a few...

21:02:39 nubbins`: ah, i didn't get one these past two joins

21:02:43 benkay: hm

21:02:48 benkay: assbot's busy i guess

21:02:59 nubbins`: !busy

21:03:26 thestringpuller: ! nubbins`

21:03:27 thestringpuller: lol

21:03:40 artifexd: Does anyone else read !up and !down as "not up" and "not down"?

21:03:48 nubbins`: i do now :(

21:03:59 nubbins`: makes sense tho

21:04:05 nubbins`: declare that you're not up, assbot fixes it

21:04:25 nubbins`: man, i'm really good at making shepherd's pie

21:04:25 artifexd: ha

21:06:11 artifexd: Speaking of bots, who runs ozbot?

21:06:14 kakobrekla: i got the notice.

21:07:17 artifexd: oh neat

21:07:40 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/vircurex-is-now-missing-5000-btc.298640/

21:07:51 nubbins`: guess i'm just lucky

21:07:52 Apocalyptic: so kakobrekla how is thing atc.blockr.io thing going ? they are integrating x-bt or not ?

21:08:10 benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-tragedy-of-remote-hands-canadian-bitcoins-robbed-of-14394.html re canada and bitcoins

21:09:06 kakobrekla: its not a life and death situation is it? ill see re that next time we meet.

21:10:27 benkay: mircea_popescu: would you tell @patrickmcguire that i broke the canadian bitcoins story a month ago?

21:10:29 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/beware-of-fbessatt-man-in-the-middle-scam-attempt.298926/

21:10:37 benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-tragedy-of-remote-hands-canadian-bitcoins-robbed-of-14394.html

21:13:14 Apocalyptic: <BingoBoingo> https://bitcointa.lk/threads/vircurex-is-now-missing-5000-btc.298640/ << nice to see people awakening

21:13:33 Apocalyptic: kako, no issue, it's clearly not

21:13:39 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: It's just taking... something...

21:25:20 thestringpuller: people are actually buying ALC?

21:25:31 thestringpuller: i feel like I should jump the bandwagon for when it bubbles

21:33:51 jurov: http://thecodelesscode.com/case/131

21:34:22 jurov: http://thecodelesscode.com/case/140?topic=Heartbleed+Bug also :D

21:39:32 BingoBoingo: !t h cog

22:57:27 BingoBoingo: artifexd: I actually probably would have been more likely to have written this http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/baseballs-new-strategy-drop-the-ball-on-purpose/

23:03:25 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

23:07:41 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

23:32:57 mike_c: !t h rent

23:35:39 mike_c: my bank wants me to update my mobile app with a new version that can pair with bluetooth devices. that makes sense.

23:42:06 BingoBoingo: What is this odd combination of bank, app, and mobile?

23:42:39 nubbins`: dude you don't do your banking on your phone?!

23:43:01 mike_c: it's just fiat.

23:44:58 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: My phone makes and recieves calls.

23:45:09 nubbins`: nice

23:45:23 nubbins`: my phone is built into a computer ;(

23:45:35 mike_c: so hah! you do banking on your phone too.

23:46:41 nubbins`: who said i didn't? :D

23:46:58 nubbins`: i do banking on my phone more often than i do it on my laptop.

23:47:37 mike_c: the only thing i use the phone for is depositing checks. that is handy.

23:49:31 nubbins`: nod

23:49:44 nubbins`: CIBC mobile app recently added that feature

23:50:17 nubbins`: altho tbh i generally just walk to the bank