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00:00:42 trinque: I mean this assumes whatever sub-groups within the thing haven't been mining on their botnets for years

00:00:45 trinque: I don't buy that either

00:01:03 trinque: there are guys inside the beast not nearly as foolish as that Force guy

00:01:20 asciilifeform: trinque: if you mean 'botnet' in the traditional sense of the word, run the numbers.

00:01:29 asciilifeform: (botnet mining today is a fart in the wind)

00:01:34 trinque: who said today

00:01:35 scoopbot_revived: US Poultry and Egg Prices Headed To The Moon http://qntra.net/2015/05/us-poultry-and-egg-prices-headed-to-the-moon/

00:01:36 asciilifeform: and was a year ago. and two. and three.

00:01:36 trinque: I said "for years"

00:02:03 mircea_popescu: o.O the stuff qntra newses ?!

00:02:39 trinque: that's it; the price of eggs and poultry is going to do the USA in for good

00:04:42 jurov: they will import (unwashed! what horror) eggs from elsewhere

00:05:42 jurov: and find it surpprising for qntra, too

00:06:16 BingoBoingo: Things that adversely impact the utility of the USD is totally qntra

00:07:46 jurov: so... bitcoin price per egg is expected to stay constant?

00:08:15 danielpbarron: !up maxwell

00:09:05 jurov: oh i get it, it's litecoin

00:09:09 jurov: FLY CHIKUN

00:10:31 BingoBoingo: Sure

00:10:58 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform aws can definitely not be part of our canonical stuff huh. << agreed. i'll continue to get my sea-legs with what I've got so far, but what we end up supporting in the end will be a gentoo on a bare-rails environment. unless any objections?

00:11:36 asciilifeform: bare-rails ?

00:11:47 mod6: real hardware.

00:11:52 mod6: non-virtualized.

00:11:55 mircea_popescu: i dun think so

00:20:02 danielpbarron: maxwell, didn't you register a key under the nickname mxtm?

00:46:33 asciilifeform: strong's masterpiece, among many other useful things, explains how to make optical fibers (by hand, naturally)

00:48:35 asciilifeform: what is the modern experimenter expected to make by hand ?

00:48:39 asciilifeform: grant proposal signatures ?

00:53:50 mircea_popescu: copypaste hey, http://fraudsters.com/banners/rotator.php suit you ?

00:53:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2sG6S )

01:04:23 mircea_popescu: !up seraminta

01:04:38 seraminta: yasss wassup hoes

01:04:45 seraminta: i was told by my friend dan to come here

01:04:52 seraminta: i see he is here

01:04:53 seraminta: hello

01:05:10 seraminta: someone please teach me about this i am ready

01:06:57 mircea_popescu: who's your friend and who are you ?

01:07:40 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron is this one of yours?

01:08:10 danielpbarron: ah, yes

01:08:29 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.mxtm.1:56b85c7ae290407ae089b8d262533fa748f89fd5322d85884cecb4882e22d744

01:08:29 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for mxtm with note: a kid who lives in Boston and likes languages

01:09:32 danielpbarron: seraminta is one of the local girls

01:09:43 danielpbarron: she wants to learn about bitcoin

01:10:15 mxtm: that's me

01:10:28 seraminta: yes

01:10:32 seraminta: please teach me!!

01:11:53 mxtm: fuck, this pi case is really tight

01:12:11 danielpbarron: seraminta, http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

01:12:12 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9XIRU )

01:12:16 BingoBoingo: First step to learn Bitcoin is to put shoe on head, in private, and balance it there for much time. Teaches discipline necessary to Bitcoin.

01:12:43 seraminta: wow

01:12:51 seraminta: u 4chan peice of frick

01:12:53 seraminta: jk

01:12:58 seraminta: i'll read that now tho

01:13:19 trinque: BingoBoingo: then you chant "bitcoin is bitcoin" in the mirror each night

01:13:25 BingoBoingo: seraminta: Nah, not shoe on head for camera, shoe on head to teach balance and focus.

01:13:45 BingoBoingo: trinque: yes, while looking at agricultural price trends for the past two decades

01:13:56 mircea_popescu: trinque and sagavin comes to enlarge your bollocks ?

01:14:14 trinque: lol, yes he comes to increase your block size

01:15:17 seraminta: is this to like

01:15:21 seraminta: "mine" bitcoins

01:15:22 seraminta: or

01:16:47 BingoBoingo: seraminta: It is to increase your ability to say no to bad ideas

01:16:58 seraminta: what

01:17:13 seraminta: i dont understand how to lke

01:17:15 seraminta: get them

01:17:16 danielpbarron: there may be miners in here, but it's not limited to that

01:17:20 trinque: that is actually a very apt description of the medicinal effect of #b-a

01:17:23 seraminta: these links make no sense to me

01:17:27 danielpbarron: seraminta, how do you get dollars?

01:17:32 mircea_popescu: http://www.myhealthstoreonline.org/images/ProExtender/ProExtender-exercise.jpg << the 20Mb power changer.

01:17:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2u7SU )

01:17:39 seraminta: i have a job heh

01:18:02 mircea_popescu: seraminta http://fraudsters.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/

01:18:02 assbot: I'll pay for your tits on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2u9tT )

01:18:17 williamdunne: seraminta: Bitcoin isn't free money

01:18:24 seraminta: ok but how do i

01:18:27 seraminta: do what yall do

01:18:38 seraminta: what do yall do for it?

01:18:42 williamdunne: Buy em'

01:18:43 danielpbarron: you read the log for 6 months to a year

01:18:46 williamdunne: Work for em'

01:18:57 williamdunne: Take pictures of your tits for em'

01:19:17 trinque: seraminta: before trying to acquire bitcoins you will want to educate yourself on both them and the technical considerations around keeping them

01:19:36 trinque: the logs here are indeed the best way to do that

01:19:41 seraminta: can yall just educate me on how to get that money tho....

01:19:43 trinque: as are the various associated blogs

01:19:47 mxtm: well you can trade for it

01:19:53 mxtm: for traditional fiat currencies

01:20:02 mxtm: or you can get paid in it in exchange for services, goods, etc

01:20:21 seraminta: what do u do for them?

01:20:43 trinque: seraminta: what interests you in them?

01:20:47 mxtm: i'm more of the trader type

01:20:58 seraminta: im a fan of money

01:21:05 danielpbarron: seraminta, you have been given many suggestions; repeating yourself will not yield a positive outcome

01:21:08 trinque: seraminta: what's money?

01:21:20 seraminta: what the hell dan?

01:21:27 seraminta: yall are being so vague

01:22:00 williamdunne: seraminta: How do you earn dollars? Would you like us to specify every position available on the McDonalds' team?

01:22:18 seraminta: okay but just by saying

01:22:22 seraminta: oh u trade for them

01:22:24 seraminta: is vague

01:22:24 seraminta: like

01:22:27 seraminta: trade what

01:22:29 danielpbarron: if you straight up just want some coin, I can sell it to you in person; just hand me cash

01:22:33 seraminta: how much is each thing worth like

01:22:41 danielpbarron: ;;ticker

01:22:42 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.51, Best ask: 236.63, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 236.51, 24 hour volume: 29052.82160197, 24 hour low: 234.22, 24 hour high: 245.0, 24 hour vwap: None

01:22:45 williamdunne: $ in bitcoin out, its like magic

01:22:49 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market buttchina

01:22:50 gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.468966, Best ask: 235.48187, Bid-ask spread: 0.01290, Last trade: 235.467353, 24 hour volume: 61772.47790000, 24 hour low: 233.4011, 24 hour high: 244.75662, 24 hour vwap: 241.381998979

01:22:58 mxtm: where are you located, seraminta?

01:23:28 copypaste: 08:53:49*@mircea_popescu copypaste hey, http://fraudsters.com/banners/rotator.php suit you ?

01:23:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2uwVk )

01:23:33 copypaste: Yes, very nice mircea_popescu

01:23:40 mircea_popescu: splendid.

01:23:43 copypaste: I especially like this: http://fraudsters.com/banners/fraudsters-online-rape.png

01:23:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2uAo4 )

01:23:48 mircea_popescu: lol

01:23:49 copypaste: You'll get a lot of clicks from that from our users most likely.

01:23:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, ima add more etc, but doesn't need to bother you.

01:24:02 copypaste: Cool

01:24:34 mircea_popescu: o also! anyone with a scooped blog can make himself a banner, hit me up with it.

01:24:54 seraminta: im in connecticut

01:24:55 seraminta: why

01:25:19 williamdunne: Because different countries have different trading systems..

01:25:53 trinque: seraminta: read this -> http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/

01:25:53 assbot: A complete theory of economics on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2uJrF )

01:26:21 trinque: from there click links, or ask questions here

01:26:24 trinque: and read the logs.

01:26:40 mxtm: seraminta: well then ofc you can just do cash in person w/ danielpbarron here

01:26:49 mxtm: cash in mail is also a good option especially for "off the books" type stuff

01:27:30 BingoBoingo: Station wagon full of cash also works for larger purchases

01:27:37 trinque: lol

01:27:54 mxtm: and or a large box of cash

01:28:02 *: mxtm eyes the boxes in the closet he would never be able to fill

01:28:07 trinque: or a box of cash within which there are several boxes of cash

01:28:21 mxtm: i have all of these priority mail boxes and free tape now

01:28:22 mxtm: i want to use them

01:28:30 BingoBoingo: Nah, station wagons has always been the premier unit of data transfer and what is money, but data on who doesn't suck

01:28:42 mxtm: semen also transfers lots of data quickly

01:30:28 williamdunne: BingoBoingo: In some places delivery services are still the most cost effective way of transporting web data

01:30:32 BingoBoingo: mxtm: Not really. only encoded with 4 letter character set. T, C, A, G

01:31:06 williamdunne: I can remember a while ago a calculation being done that it was cheaper to have a 120gb SSD filled with data shipped to Canada than it was to download onto your existing drive

01:31:24 mxtm: lol

01:31:43 williamdunne: Including the cost of the SSD itself ofc

01:33:58 danielpbarron: https://i.imgur.com/bbXqps5.jpg << seraminta is the one on the right (best pic i could find)

01:33:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2vctT )

01:34:37 danielpbarron: !up seraminta

01:34:42 seraminta: why

01:34:45 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know you gotta let people publish their own pics.

01:34:46 seraminta: did u post that dude lol

01:35:27 danielpbarron: i took that pic, it is my own. but i'll keep that in mind for future reference

01:35:44 seraminta: bye

01:36:20 copypaste: lol

01:36:34 copypaste: One moment please danielpbarron.

01:37:03 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron and since we're doing future references : you don't want a 20% of empty sky and cut calves.

01:38:32 mircea_popescu: the human body has some permissible cuts, and the calves aren't it. if you don't cut the neck, the next is the torso, between lower rib and belly button, and if you don't cut that you don't cut anything.

01:39:07 *: danielpbarron nods

01:40:09 copypaste: danielpbarron: https://8ch.net/b/res/2682469.html

01:40:10 assbot: /b/ - which one would you fuck, /b/? ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2vLUn )

01:40:11 copypaste: :^)

01:40:49 mircea_popescu: aww. now you've gone given him an irl problem.

01:41:43 cazalla: ahha copypaste

01:41:58 mircea_popescu: https://8ch.net/b/res/2682469.html#q2682495 see ? you lose at chans.

01:41:59 assbot: /b/ - which one would you fuck, /b/? ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2vYa8 )

01:44:58 mircea_popescu: random lulz : in the 70s, romania was doing a very argnetine-like autarky thing. making local whisky, local everything. including local gin, which was made at covasna,

01:45:05 mircea_popescu: and consequently the brand name was covagin

01:48:41 cazalla: doesn't seem anyone wants to bang #3

01:49:07 copypaste: might just be a bad picture of 3

01:49:10 copypaste: not a very forgiving angle

01:49:47 cazalla: nothing forgiving about 1 out of 5 girls wearing jeans at the beach

01:50:31 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/nsfw-tigancusa-spune-drept/ here, better set.

01:50:31 assbot: [NSFW] Tigancusa, spune drept... on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2wGnY )

01:50:32 cazalla: fwiw, i'd bang all 5 but only admit to 2 or maybe 3 of em

01:50:36 mircea_popescu: also jeans at beach.

01:51:01 mircea_popescu: cazalla married men would fuck anything.

01:51:13 cazalla: no doubt about that

01:51:16 trinque: lol

02:01:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130886 << so did zimmerman. and plenty of others.

02:01:43 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:32:00; asciilifeform: this fella used to be the 'genuine article'

02:01:49 mircea_popescu: there's something about old men.

02:01:51 asciilifeform: aha. same dynamic.

02:02:13 asciilifeform: (how old is schneier ?)

02:02:18 mircea_popescu: "Be wary of one-time pads and other crypto unicorns" vbwghahgahaha

02:02:20 mircea_popescu: o god almighty.

02:02:41 asciilifeform: to be fair, the item under review was a prng turd written for turdroid etc.

02:02:51 mircea_popescu: you know, these schmucks have nothing of the quality of schmuckdom in the soviet times.

02:03:01 mircea_popescu: just as many poltrons then, but really, a lot more style.

02:03:16 mircea_popescu: now it's just... blunt. vulgar.

02:03:20 asciilifeform: what can i say, these folks have more distance between selves and the cultured times.

02:03:51 mircea_popescu: i guess.

02:04:13 asciilifeform: the talmudists had it right, in their picture of wisdom being at peak (in their cosmography, in the era of moses) and fading away monotonically since

02:04:40 mircea_popescu: i dun think so.

02:04:47 asciilifeform: well, wrong about details, but basic idea

02:05:54 mircea_popescu: mebbe. tho i dun think so. not that i have any serious basis for it.

02:07:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130904 << dude. it's the pump phase of a pump and dump scam. what do you expect ? there is no connection between the depicted elements under the surface.

02:07:22 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:45:12; asciilifeform: 'By the time its chips were to be embedded into Internet of Things (IoT) devices, 21 projected its cost to produce 1 BTC could be as low as $7.45.' << somebody does not grasp difficulty factor ?

02:07:36 mircea_popescu: it's like you're expecting to find flesh under a stand-up cut-out of angelina jolie.

02:08:00 asciilifeform: is it entirely inconceivable that they are in fact churning out miners ?

02:08:23 asciilifeform: how this act is financed is a secondary consideration. for all i know, they are whoring out their daughters to pay for it

02:08:56 mircea_popescu: i've yet to see any tripwire move.

02:09:12 mircea_popescu: maybe they're doing it in supersecret, but so far, on the balance of intelligence, it's just gift of gab.

02:09:18 asciilifeform: afaik no one alleged that this particular set is plugged in yet

02:09:24 mircea_popescu: has to be made.

02:09:31 mircea_popescu: you know, in a plant.

02:09:37 mircea_popescu: designed. you know, by someone.

02:09:37 mircea_popescu: etc.

02:09:45 asciilifeform: allegation was, by intel

02:09:50 mircea_popescu: where ?

02:09:58 asciilifeform: at one of their fabs

02:10:08 mircea_popescu: intel has a finite number of discrete fabs

02:10:16 mircea_popescu: they can't produce anything at "one of the fabs"

02:10:28 *: asciilifeform wasn't there, doesn't know at which in particular

02:10:37 mircea_popescu: there's oregon, arizona new mexico, some secret and some offshoire locations

02:11:32 williamdunne: The fraudsters rotator works on neither of my computers :/

02:11:39 mircea_popescu: williamdunne what happens ?

02:11:57 williamdunne: One one computer, nothing

02:12:06 mircea_popescu: see page source ?

02:12:18 williamdunne: On the other I get a very quick flash of the no image logo, which then disappears

02:12:21 williamdunne: Yeah I'll check it

02:12:26 mircea_popescu: should be something like $ curl http://fraudsters.com/banners/rotator.php

02:12:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2yFIO )

02:12:26 mircea_popescu: <a href="http://fraudsters.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/#selection-109.0-109.105"img src="http://fraudsters.com/banners/fraudsters-purpose.png"/a

02:12:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite possibly they read the 2013 #b-a thread and took the advice of baking a hashing engine into an existing system-on-chip design

02:12:50 williamdunne: One thing:

02:12:50 williamdunne: 03:11:47.553 The character encoding of the HTML document was not declared. The document will render with garbled text in some browser configurations if the document contains characters from outside the US-ASCII range. The character encoding of the page must be declared in the document or in the transfer protocol.1 rotator.php

02:13:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 207363 @ 0.00027095 = 56.185 BTC [-] {2}

02:13:16 mircea_popescu: yeah well. it's supposed to go into a diff page, with its own declarations, and it uses no glyphs.

02:13:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you understand the qty of engineering involved.

02:13:25 williamdunne: Source is:

02:13:25 williamdunne: <img class="hlfcdjdaavkkxwcvfwse" src="http://fraudsters.com/banners/bitbet-berkshire.png"

02:13:51 mircea_popescu: yes, they'll have this in five years. the effort required to do it in a year ? you'd hear.

02:13:58 williamdunne: Interesting, should work

02:14:03 mircea_popescu: williamdunne weird class ?!

02:14:32 williamdunne: Yeah, thats the one I'm getting

02:15:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mine is ~450 lines of verilog

02:15:05 mircea_popescu: it seems like your browser supplies it somehow ? the source has no class spec.

02:15:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your embeddable bitcoin miner ?

02:15:32 asciilifeform: it isn't the most optimal in the world (far from it) and a 'serious', 'grown man's' miner oughta be designed at discrete logic level

02:15:42 asciilifeform: but the overall complexity of the act of mining is not high

02:17:09 *: asciilifeform mined his first, and for long time, only bitcoin, on an fpga for which he wrote a very elementary miner, as an exercise

02:17:18 asciilifeform: many other folks did this

02:18:02 asciilifeform: most of them, i will point out, long before i did

02:18:06 *: mircea_popescu awaits the 500 verilog lines gpu and the 2200 lines cpu to be released by intel soon=ish, totally busting the market.

02:18:22 mircea_popescu: it'll even fit in heads.

02:18:31 asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ wc -l mips.v

02:18:32 asciilifeform: 359 mips.v

02:18:47 trinque: williamdunne: you using adblock?

02:18:51 williamdunne: trinque: I am

02:18:56 trinque: 'tis an ad

02:18:58 trinque: :D

02:19:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it won't be busting any markets. because 'how world works' (TM)

02:19:23 mircea_popescu: and so here we go, full circle.

02:19:48 mircea_popescu: trinque you figure it actually blocks an image wrapped in an url ? that's almost all of em ?

02:20:04 williamdunne: Yeah youre right, its adblock causing it

02:20:19 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Rotator and banner are probably both keywords

02:21:17 mircea_popescu: sheit!

02:22:28 asciilifeform: for the benefit of log readers, i will point out again, that a sha256 hashing circuit is dwarfed, complexity-wise, by all but the simplest 'homework' cpu, gpu, whatever other ic product

02:23:06 mircea_popescu: copypaste pls to use http://fraudsters.com/cutekittens/tittydrip.php instead!

02:23:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2zBge )

02:23:07 asciilifeform: they only appear complicated because 1) folks slept through school 2) lack of popular access to chip fab tech translates to lack of interest in even the most elementary aspects of engineering

02:23:08 mircea_popescu: williamdunne does that work ?

02:23:29 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yeah they don't trigger it

02:23:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mining is not just sha 256 hashing

02:23:42 mircea_popescu: copypaste because apparently adblocking assholery.

02:23:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is also a counter, yes

02:23:51 asciilifeform: big fat full-adder.

02:24:02 asciilifeform: takes up all of 1% of the gates

02:24:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform miner without a node ? miner without any security w/e ?

02:24:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down; that's not my department, said werhner von braun...'

02:24:45 mircea_popescu: yes well, 90% of a job is not a job.

02:25:05 asciilifeform: the miscreants from earlier thread, with the cable boxes ?

02:25:13 asciilifeform: betcha plan is to have'em all hang off one node

02:25:19 asciilifeform: link rsa'd

02:25:34 asciilifeform: (at least, in outgoing direction)

02:25:37 mircea_popescu: will be fun to ddos then.

02:25:51 asciilifeform: if cable boxes, won't sit on public net

02:25:53 mircea_popescu: im sure nukes will help them keep it up.

02:26:53 asciilifeform: by 'hanging off one node', meant that the device issued to schmucks will not include a node

02:26:55 asciilifeform: (why should it)

02:27:09 mircea_popescu: for reliability.

02:27:16 asciilifeform: but merely the minimal iron necessary to getwork() from usg and return results in a form that is unusable to mitmers

02:28:36 copypaste: mircea_popescu: Do you wanat it put up now?

02:28:42 mircea_popescu: sure.

02:28:50 copypaste: OK. Give me a few minutes :)

02:28:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130948 << tbh i think he has it, but anyway.

02:28:53 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:55:40; pete_dushenski: by the time they roll these out and get them into any appreciable number of homes, it'll look like trying to fight the nazis by arming every american with slingshots

02:30:02 asciilifeform: i'm still curious, who is going to outcompete a hypothetical usg telecom monopoly inserting miners into cable boxes etc. and on what parameter ? cost of energy ? nope - schmucks pay. cost of manufacture? again, schmucks pay, indirectly. which is it ?

02:30:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130961 << i have internet here, no magic box. had it in romania too, they offered me the magic box. i didn't want it , the woman was in shock

02:30:09 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:58:34; jurov: afaik it's so everywhere, nobody does streaming available for own hardware, i have asked

02:30:12 mircea_popescu: but i didn't take it.

02:30:33 trinque: mircea_popescu: yeh tittydrip works :D

02:31:00 asciilifeform: ^ i think jurov was speaking of 'tv-style' interface where schmuck is not aware that he is using the net, doesn't sit around hunting for warez, etc. but just sits with ir remote & drools

02:31:19 asciilifeform: it is what folks pay for when they subscribe to 'cable tv'

02:31:22 mircea_popescu: oh, people still get tv ?

02:31:28 *: mircea_popescu has no idea about any of that market.

02:31:32 asciilifeform: (which, where i live, has long ago gone packetized, yes)

02:31:58 mircea_popescu: afaik it's like old style phone service

02:32:03 mircea_popescu: you get it with the internet and nobody uses it

02:32:08 asciilifeform: as discussed earlier, somewhere north of 20 million u.s. subscribers just for 'comcast'

02:32:10 mircea_popescu: i guess gramas use it or something

02:32:16 asciilifeform: and they use it.

02:32:24 asciilifeform: every restaurant in d.c. area, for instance, has it

02:32:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 20mn users x 20 watts = doubling the current hash power. /me is unimpressed.

02:32:32 copypaste: mircea_popescu: just a warning

02:32:38 copypaste: fraudsters.com is using a self-signed cert

02:32:49 copypaste: it won't work correectly because most of our requests are served over HTTPS

02:32:56 asciilifeform: why it even has https

02:33:13 mircea_popescu: copypaste uh it shouldn't have https at all ? my references are all to http

02:33:15 mircea_popescu: you rewrite them ?!

02:33:28 copypaste: mircea_popescu: No, but most browsers won't allow HTTP in HTTPS pages.

02:33:35 mircea_popescu: ugh

02:33:41 copypaste: I can keep it at HTTP but "Content Security Policy" in Firefox and Chrome will block it.

02:33:48 mircea_popescu: shit.

02:33:51 copypaste: If it's on an HTTPS page. It'll only work on HTTP pages.

02:33:53 copypaste: Yeah.

02:34:07 mircea_popescu: listen, what if i push the image out as base64 ?

02:34:09 mircea_popescu: then no link

02:34:48 copypaste: I'm not sure I understand your proposal

02:35:01 copypaste: I'm linking via iframe like this

02:35:04 mircea_popescu: lemme have it changed, a second, then you see.

02:35:06 copypaste: OK

02:35:14 copypaste: <iframe class="fraudsters" style='width:728px; height:90px; border:0px; padding:0;overflow:hidden' src="https://fraudsters.com/cutekittens/tittydrip.php" allowtransparency="true" scrolling="no"></iframe>

02:41:54 mircea_popescu: copypaste how about something like this : http://fraudsters.com/cutekittens/tittylick.php

02:41:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2AO7j )

02:42:25 mircea_popescu: has no references

02:45:20 copypaste: It won't work with the iframe method. I would need the source code of that file and run it on 8chan's server

02:45:35 copypaste: Because the iframe still refers to the plain HTTP fraudsters.com :(

02:45:39 mircea_popescu: ah i see

02:45:48 mircea_popescu: yeah but then how do i add/remove banners.

02:45:55 copypaste: Yeah exactly.

02:46:01 mircea_popescu: well what the shit.

02:46:03 copypaste: If you have any domain with a valid HTTPS cert you could use that

02:46:08 copypaste: And it would just work

02:46:13 mircea_popescu: i don't, because i don't use pki.

02:46:17 mircea_popescu: it's pretty well despised here.

02:46:39 mircea_popescu: can you give me a ftp user in a subdir on your server and run it from there ?

02:46:45 copypaste: I see, it makes sense. Unfortunately browser vendors have been very difficult about this lately.

02:47:01 mircea_popescu: of course they have. usg wants pki everywhere.

02:47:03 copypaste: Sure, that will work. You'll lose out on some stats stuff though that you could get by running it on your server

02:47:06 copypaste: e.g. how many impressions

02:47:10 cazalla: apparently these are the guns seized by aussie LEA, nfi if for real http://i.imgur.com/tQJkNNM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mKI3cI3.jpg

02:47:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2B7z7 )

02:47:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2B5ag )

02:47:21 mircea_popescu: well alternatively you could just import the php from my server into your page

02:47:27 mircea_popescu: of course you'd have to validate the shit out of it.

02:47:39 mircea_popescu: but i can swear it won't be malicious, fwiw.

02:48:21 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Pretty clear those are sporting equipment

02:48:41 mircea_popescu: ^

02:48:51 mircea_popescu: what's that, airguns ?

02:49:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 269587 @ 0.00027003 = 72.7966 BTC [-] {2}

02:50:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28613 @ 0.00027215 = 7.787 BTC [+]

02:50:54 cazalla: find out soon, i rang their contact centre and they said they'd email the images

02:51:12 copypaste: I wonder if I could just proxy from your fraudsters.com PHP script

02:51:19 copypaste: Like Bitcointalk does for images

02:51:25 copypaste: And also send you the real user's IP so you get stats.

02:51:45 copypaste: So https://8ch.net/fraudsters-proxy.php

02:51:45 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1L368Og )

02:51:51 copypaste: Would that be OK?

02:51:53 mircea_popescu: you should be able to.

02:51:54 mircea_popescu: sure.

02:52:07 copypaste: Great, let me do that.

02:52:15 copypaste: This has the added benefit of bypassing uBlock.

02:52:25 copypaste: Which is the new vogue of adblocking software. It blocks crcossorigin requests.

02:52:34 mircea_popescu: as long as it punctures the pki bs i'm happy.

02:52:47 copypaste: Yep. Only one with PKI BS will be us, hehe.

02:52:51 asciilifeform: cazalla: looks like .22 (olympics caliber)

02:53:14 asciilifeform: (first image)

02:53:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One's clealy a lever action, the other one appears to be a Ruger 10/22 (judging off of the magazing they laid on the OTHER SIDE of the levergun)

02:53:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you gotta appreciate, the usg is not the only one mining, nor has it been. at this point, the deployment you contemplate might allow it to catch up, but won't do much more than that.

02:53:46 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aha. daisies++

02:53:52 asciilifeform: cazalla: the 2nd is of an обрез

02:54:19 BingoBoingo: Really the sort of thing Australia needs more of considering their rabbit problem

02:54:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect that only neutron bomb could have a hope of dealing with that continent's real problem

02:55:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The spiders?

02:55:34 mircea_popescu: the women ?

02:55:36 asciilifeform: (and it would have to fall on a different continent entirely)

02:55:41 mircea_popescu: lol

02:59:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131059 << except he already presumes it's not even useful. 490 lines of verilog don't allow for much remote diddle.

02:59:39 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:15:06; trinque: danielpbarron: not if it's all remotely diddlable

03:00:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131065 <<< lmao. why not just call on the heavenly angelic infantry at this point ?

03:00:23 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:17:26; asciilifeform: possibly even pegged to usd.

03:00:51 mircea_popescu: st thomas comes riding a flaming horse made out of female virgin saint asses

03:01:23 mircea_popescu: shooting psalms out of their assholes at the unbelievers.

03:02:09 trinque: mircea_popescu: what's your read of the exchange between pete and myself; I was hearing circular logic (no offense to pete)

03:02:26 mircea_popescu: re this toaster mining business ?

03:02:42 trinque: specifically that 'bitcoin is bitcoin' is a reason in itself

03:02:55 trinque: my response might be "well, why fucking bother with a WoT" for example

03:03:13 mircea_popescu: i think that argument holds water, to a large degree. recall the "bitcoin pervers the nsa" discussion with alf maybe a year ago ?

03:03:22 mircea_popescu: perverts*

03:03:44 trinque: that it pulls apart non-aligned organizations?

03:03:49 trinque: like that guy Force?

03:03:50 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131671 <<< subtle but not as subtle as usual :P

03:03:50 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 02:55:36; asciilifeform: (and it would have to fall on a different continent entirely)

03:03:51 mircea_popescu: no. thgat it realligns anyone.

03:04:09 trinque: I can see that point.

03:04:09 copypaste: mircea_popescu: https://8ch.net/proxy.php?csurl=http://fraudsters.com/cutekittens/tittydrip.php

03:04:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2BUA8 )

03:04:13 copypaste: Look good?

03:04:42 mircea_popescu: sure. but won't it bitch cause the img is http ?

03:05:04 copypaste: Oh yeah. Please use the b64 version like before

03:05:07 copypaste: That'll work perfectly

03:05:25 mircea_popescu: trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475163 << that convo.

03:05:25 assbot: Logged on 02-02-2014 18:18:59; mircea_popescu: today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like to apply for permission to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash"

03:05:38 mircea_popescu: copypaste you use it lol. http://fraudsters.com/cutekittens/tittylick.php

03:05:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2BYQi )

03:05:51 mircea_popescu: (lick not drip)

03:05:53 trinque: mircea_popescu: ty

03:05:56 copypaste: Oh, gotcha.

03:06:03 copypaste: I didn't notice the different URL, sorry ;)

03:07:05 copypaste: OK. I'm going to embed that now. I hope it behaves well under load. Time will tell

03:07:10 *: mircea_popescu is curious what the load looks like

03:07:15 mircea_popescu: haha yeah. keeping an eye on it here.

03:07:38 mircea_popescu: Server Load 0.04 (8 cpus) atm

03:09:53 copypaste: I stuck it on all the boards. 8chan uses a style of rebuilding where a new post rebuilds a thread on a board

03:10:00 copypaste: I have to force rebuild the boards we agreed to

03:10:06 copypaste: For it to show on all threads and indexes

03:10:09 copypaste: I'll go do that

03:10:26 copypaste: But you can see it here already: https://8ch.net/pol/index.html

03:10:27 assbot: /pol/ - Politically Incorrect ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2CcXG )

03:10:29 copypaste: Oops, I forgot to remove Coinbase

03:10:35 copypaste: As we agreed. I'll do that.

03:10:41 mircea_popescu: danke

03:11:24 mircea_popescu: trinque essentially, an application of "bitcoin is bitcoin" is what sunk gavin. they still mostly can't believe it happened, but it did. it will again. in practice, you either implement a broken, pared down version of bitcoin, in which case bitcoin defeats you, or else you implement a correct version, in which case... you've implemented bitcoin.

03:11:41 mircea_popescu: this thing cuts a lot more universally than one'd reasonably expect, and quite scarily in its degree.

03:12:08 mircea_popescu: "you can't halfass bitcoin" is the thing. which property is why i was musing that it's more like a force of nature than anything else.

03:12:22 mircea_popescu: displays exactly the feynman property of "nature".

03:13:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150450 @ 0.00027215 = 40.945 BTC [+]

03:13:08 trinque: I begin to understand -> mircea_popescu:you'll come out of it thinking what it needs you to.

03:13:27 copypaste: OK done. I'll go run that rebuild now. https://8ch.net/pol/

03:13:29 assbot: /pol/ - Politically Incorrect ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2CmOD )

03:13:30 copypaste: Thanks mircea_popescu

03:14:03 mircea_popescu: o sheeit look at that :D

03:14:44 trinque: the idea that human action inside a monetary system will reflect the incentives/disincentives of that

03:14:51 mircea_popescu: mike wakes up, checks stats, is all o.O gets excited, comes here, says so before reading the log, then we link him to this k ?

03:15:05 mircea_popescu: trinque human freedom is a very limited thing, after all.

03:16:31 trinque: yep

03:17:13 trinque: sort of like "will steam engines be used" -> "yes, after all, they exist"

03:17:20 trinque: works out when considering the context the second statement is made within

03:17:26 trinque: gunpowder

03:17:27 trinque: so on

03:18:09 trinque: so what did I have a problem with...

03:18:18 trinque: it was that there's nothing to act upon within "bitcoin is bitcoin"

03:18:27 trinque: but I suppose so what.

03:18:52 trinque: sounded a bit like "after all, we're the Romans"

03:20:12 decimation: my cable modem 'received an update' as soon as I plugged it into the cable network. even though I owned the modem, I had absolutely no say or ability to stop the install

03:20:33 decimation: we did docsis once here before, it's a 'walled garden'

03:21:44 trinque: it's strange and a bit exciting to think that a single human can do something which then becomes almost *environmental* to the others

03:23:07 mircea_popescu: trinque which is directly why i said that bit about http://fraudsters.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.0-157.105

03:23:08 assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2CTQT )

03:24:04 mircea_popescu: and i'm not entirely sure the meta-universe is open to you at all. there isn't any space for you to "Act upon" in this enlightened, gender savvy, "i am an actor in a movie and i read the script" sense.

03:24:14 mircea_popescu: all you got is what you got. your wot, your job, your wife, your boxen etc.

03:24:50 mircea_popescu: copypaste btw you gotta rate me too!

03:25:21 copypaste: Oh, of course :D

03:25:31 copypaste: Let me finish rebuilding these boards, it's a pain in the ass to do it manually...

03:25:47 mircea_popescu: no rush.

03:25:58 mircea_popescu: and write a script!

03:26:24 menahem: i don't know whats up - but links to selections aren't working for me. they were at first, but not anymore.

03:26:30 decimation: one thing that occured to me about the 'wot concept' is that one benefits by having your wot intersect your 'enemies' wot

03:27:00 copypaste: i did ;)

03:27:01 mod6: this is bizzare. i can only get the ssh keys to work /after/ I set a password on the user acount on the instnace (in /etc/shadow). if the user doesn't have a password set, just asks for a pw when connecting. (gentoo uclibc hardened) am i missing something obvious?

03:27:08 trinque: mircea_popescu: selection thing isn't working, last paragraph?

03:27:08 decimation: and that being that 'intersecting person' is probably a valuable position

03:27:08 copypaste: foreach ($config['banned_ad_boards'] as $i => $b) { echo "php rebuild.php --board $b\n"; }

03:27:13 copypaste: then pipe that to bash

03:27:15 copypaste: :p

03:27:41 decimation: mod6: is it an issue with pam?

03:27:47 mircea_popescu: heh. everyone : try the location thing again nao ?

03:27:58 decimation: authentication is tricky business

03:28:18 mod6: decimation: hrm. could be i guess. i'll check into that.

03:28:44 mircea_popescu: decimation i would imagine the larger it gets, the more useful it is.

03:29:00 mircea_popescu: as many times discussed, it's not about the points.

03:30:28 mircea_popescu: Server Load 0.03 heh i dun think this will be a problem

03:30:45 decimation: no, but it is not likely that wot structure would be uniform either

03:31:33 mircea_popescu: right.

03:31:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131078 << more generally, as long as they pay to play like everyone else, they should be able to play just like everyone else. why not.

03:31:56 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:19:52; danielpbarron: i don't have a problem with USG getting 1/3 of all the bitcoin; the can only spend it once

03:32:27 mircea_popescu: how is a derpy usg with delusions of separation and self importance different or better from the numerous groups of derpy miners with similar delusions that came and went over the years ?

03:32:33 mircea_popescu: who totday remembers them all even.

03:32:42 decimation: I find it terribly unlikely that any formal usg employee is mining bitcoin

03:33:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131084 << currently, cn is actually ahead as far as this thing goes.

03:33:04 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:20:29; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu will probably suggest that cn, ru, etc. will follow suit with -their- tv boxes

03:33:13 mircea_popescu: ru is entirely fucktarded, which amazes me.

03:33:20 mircea_popescu: but they're barely a player.

03:33:29 mircea_popescu: maybe because bitcoin doesn't run right on windows, who knows.

03:34:22 decimation: it does seem likely that someone in the world has an interest in cuckolding infrastructure

03:42:09 menahem: decimation i was told that canadian gov employees were mining bitcoin. however, when i asked about pools and block rewards, they had no idea what I was talking about. so... it definitely seems highly unlikely.

03:43:10 cazalla: i vaguely recollect someone was using the machines at the ABC (gov owned tv channel) to mine bitcoin back around 2011

03:44:21 decimation: it's possible someone is using infrastructure for a private purpose, but I can't imagine it is officially sanctioned

03:44:22 cazalla: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/secret-money-abc-virtual-currency-racket-probe-20110623-1ggp6.html there we go.. so technically australia gov first and bestest miner

03:44:26 assbot: Secret money: ABC virtual currency racket probe ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyIvkB )

03:44:41 cazalla: guy didn't get sacked either

03:44:52 decimation: usg's style is to seize someone's bitcoin and put it in their vault

03:45:39 cazalla: decimation, sorta what i was thinking in regards to double spending.. why would they need to do it when they can just pay you and steal it back

03:49:28 cazalla: although i guess just because such scam would work on me is not evidence it'd work on everyone

03:49:55 copypaste: mircea_popescu: you have your first fans https://8ch.net/b/res/2684297.html

03:49:56 assbot: /b/ - new ads? ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2DOR8 )

03:50:52 cazalla: gee that didn't take long for people to accuse copypaste of being mircea_popescu

03:51:30 copypaste: mircea_popescu: you should probably put target="_blank" on the ad <a> tag so it poens in a new tab

03:51:37 copypaste: one guy said it didn't work

03:51:55 copypaste: "Blocked loading mixed active content "http://fraudsters.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/"[Learn More]"

03:53:26 menahem: "Into the adblock filter it goes." lol, these people blocking some of the most valuable info they could possibly get. as MP calls it - missed opportunity.

03:53:46 menahem: though I must admit, I did the same thing once.

03:57:55 mircea_popescu: copypaste lolz

03:58:02 mircea_popescu: ah doing yes.

04:00:47 mircea_popescu: copypaste i wonder what the mixed content thing is

04:01:00 copypaste: It works now

04:01:05 copypaste: Mixed content means mixed HTTP/HTTPS

04:01:09 copypaste: It's a new thing added by browser vendors

04:01:15 copypaste: They don't allow HTTP content on HTTPS pages anymore.

04:01:26 decimation: ssl everywhere!

04:01:34 mircea_popescu: ah mkay. anyway, server load was throughout < .2 so i dun think that'll be a problem.

04:01:44 copypaste: Great!

04:01:45 mircea_popescu: and i intend to keep the mix more or less varied so.

04:02:03 mircea_popescu: prolly a buncha people send more banners once they wake up/catch up with the log.

04:02:17 decimation: ^the fact that this is even possible demonstrates the laugh-ability of pki

04:02:36 mircea_popescu: decimation you don't understand how teh world works!

04:02:56 mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin is a jewish conspiracy so these guys are shills, probably working for JIDF."

04:02:57 mircea_popescu: word.

04:03:50 cazalla: lol

04:04:03 cazalla: bit obvious that one was mine but would do better in a pol thread

04:05:05 copypaste: you could open a service like a-ads

04:05:40 BingoBoingo: !s Van Ads

04:05:41 assbot: 33 results for 'Van Ads' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Van+Ads

04:05:42 mircea_popescu: i nearly did a while back, but meh.

04:06:27 mircea_popescu: well, 20k impressions served so far, notbad.jpg

04:10:29 copypaste: !rate mircea_popescu 2 Graced 8chan with the presence of his ads

04:10:29 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4efef792fbd75716

04:10:32 cazalla: from ben garrison's new book lol https://8ch.net/pol/src/1431570130032.jpg

04:10:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyLvxq )

04:10:54 copypaste: !v assbot:copypaste.rate.mircea_popescu.2:f09d7cfdf4c180ab010f2c613430f01942fd618289ebc028950b5093135046c2

04:10:55 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for mircea_popescu with note: Graced 8chan with the presence of his ads

04:11:15 mircea_popescu: what is brittle bone disease ?

04:11:49 copypaste: osteogenesis imperfecta is the medical name

04:12:48 mircea_popescu: oh the collagen thing ?

04:14:25 copypaste: yes

04:15:08 mircea_popescu: sucks.

04:17:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127250 @ 0.00026684 = 33.9554 BTC [-] {2}

04:21:01 mircea_popescu: https://8ch.net/b/res/2684297.html#q2684968 << bwahahaha.

04:21:02 assbot: /b/ - new ads? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jfy2rn )

04:21:06 mircea_popescu: little grasshopper...

04:21:41 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131778 << if we're going in the direction of 'cuckold miners,' i'm not sure why anyone imagines any of it is attributable with any certainty in any direction whatsoever

04:21:41 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 03:33:20; mircea_popescu: but they're barely a player.

04:22:23 mircea_popescu: this part of the tradecraft is all puffs of smoke alf. exactly the opposite of engineering

04:22:27 mircea_popescu: practically speaking mysticism

04:23:51 BingoBoingo: Oh shit http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/35wtcp/fraudsters_ads_on_8chan/

04:23:52 assbot: fraudsters Ads on 8chan : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jfyk1e )

04:24:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which smoke ?

04:24:33 copypaste: BingoBoingo: Now two people think I am Mircea.

04:24:44 mircea_popescu: just saying, puffs ofsmoke. they move deterministically, and you know they're there, but WHAT are they ?

04:24:45 BingoBoingo: copypaste: Or shills

04:25:10 mircea_popescu: copypaste people think everyone's me. at some point they thought i was a chick.

04:25:19 copypaste: Because of MPOE_PR?

04:25:23 mircea_popescu: yeah.

04:25:42 decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/04/leonard_wong_on.html < "This study found that many Army officers, after repeated exposure to the overwhelming demands and the associated need to put their honor on the line to verify compliance, have become ethically numb."

04:25:43 assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfyzcF )

04:26:27 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo any idea what the fedora thing is ?

04:26:51 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's a neckbeard thing.

04:27:07 mircea_popescu: is neckbeard anything other than libertard for "bad" ?

04:27:36 BingoBoingo: It's a kind of bad, an aspie flavor

04:27:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is a specific character, in their imagination, quite akin to the nazi Jud S??

04:27:55 mircea_popescu: orly ?

04:28:02 asciilifeform: aha but with a minus sign.

04:28:54 mircea_popescu: decimation i think soldiers kinda get numb anyway.

04:30:18 cazalla: this pretty much sums up the fedora thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmzaalWYqRo

04:30:19 assbot: fedorable_parkour.mp4 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jfz72d )

04:31:01 decimation: mircea_popescu: in this particular case, the guy claims that usg levies so many 'requirements' on its employees that no human could possibly fulfill them

04:31:13 mircea_popescu: this would not surprise me.

04:31:18 decimation: so everyone lies, pretending to achieve 100% compliance

04:31:24 mircea_popescu: sorta like taxes.

04:31:45 decimation: some young officers - tought from entry that lying is very bad - find the real working of usg to be shocking

04:32:38 mircea_popescu:  Good signature from Fredrick Brennan <admin@8chan.co>. Verify this message yourself << check out this shit, a gpg-ready chan

04:33:37 mircea_popescu: " API for reports for board owners [allows you to have an IRC bot tell you when you have reports"

04:33:44 mircea_popescu: dude... this shit has come a very long way.

04:33:53 *: mircea_popescu ran a romanian chan years ago.

04:34:10 asciilifeform: what is, in this context, a 'chan' ?

04:34:18 decimation: apparently a bbs

04:34:29 asciilifeform: generic term for www forum ?

04:34:55 copypaste: Indeed mircea_popescu. I hacked the codebase considerably

04:35:03 copypaste: https://github.com/ctrlcctrlv/infinity

04:35:04 assbot: ctrlcctrlv/infinity · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyOHJp )

04:35:06 mircea_popescu: a, you did a bunch of work there ?

04:35:14 mircea_popescu: but this at start was a futaba or what ?

04:35:15 copypaste: Yeah. It was really basic when I started.

04:35:21 copypaste: It started as Tinyboard.

04:35:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in this context, a chan is a type of forum, used most famously by 2/4chan

04:35:52 copypaste: I wrote the catalog ( https://8ch.net/b/catalog.html ), a lot of the javascript (desktop notifications etc), all the board creaetion feaetures, etc

04:35:54 assbot: b - Catalog ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyOPIU )

04:35:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what are the defining characteristics of this type ?

04:36:05 decimation: but no drug wars game

04:36:05 copypaste: There's a lot if you go back in my commit history, heh...

04:36:06 asciilifeform: or do they all descend from same proggy ?

04:36:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a lightweight structure, specific cli style commands and a requirement to start threads by embedding a picture. they're purely cosmetic, it's just a sort of forum ubuntu, if you take vbulletin to be windows.

04:37:08 mircea_popescu: they i think all descend from the same thing (aka, futaba) reimplemented x times

04:37:27 asciilifeform: ah

04:37:58 mircea_popescu: and it all runs in php!

04:38:16 mircea_popescu: which is probably the cutting-edgest application php ever knew.

04:38:58 decimation: ^ one wonders why nobody bothered to write something like this in pure c, given the performance demands

04:40:05 mircea_popescu: i doubt there's actually that much of an edge to be had, unless one goes all the way to mold it into nginx

04:40:15 mircea_popescu: have a chaninx

04:40:27 decimation: yeah, good point, would have to re-create the whole stack of shit

04:40:34 mircea_popescu: exactly.

04:40:47 asciilifeform: decimation: the result of c in the hands of imbeciles is generally microshitesque

04:41:01 decimation: which would be like engineering a sand castle with a toothpick (to paraphrase ascii)

04:42:01 copypaste: more fans on the videogames board: https://8ch.net/v/res/3744246.html

04:42:02 assbot: /v/ - What is this ad? ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyPI49 )

04:42:09 copypaste: you're quite popular mircea_popescu :D

04:42:13 mircea_popescu: i am ?

04:42:27 copypaste: Very few ads get threads made about them.

04:42:33 trinque: decimation: friend of mine wrote a 4chan scraper in c here -> waifu.xyz

04:42:40 trinque: ah crap it's down

04:42:44 trinque: see that's why you don't do it in C

04:43:14 mircea_popescu: lmao

04:43:40 mircea_popescu: how bad do they suck btw ? graphically i mean

04:44:27 copypaste: The tit one is good. I bet you get some clients from 8chan.

04:47:17 mircea_popescu: should be interesting.

04:49:02 decimation: scraper is much easier than writing the server stack. as yarvin put it "An Internet server is, above all, a massive fortified castle in alien zombie territory. The men who man these castles are men indeed, quick in emacs and hairy of neck."

04:49:42 trinque: nah the whole site's C

04:49:53 mircea_popescu: techniocally speaking apache is c too

04:49:57 trinque: it's a site that scrapes 4chan for webms and archives them

04:49:59 decimation: sure

04:49:59 mircea_popescu: or was, at some point. before glibc

04:50:05 trinque: he wrote the http thinger, all that

04:50:13 trinque: guy likes abusing himself with 'write it in c' quests

04:59:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131123 eh, mebbe we make it to 130ish

04:59:45 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:27:31; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: within 100 years, we will -all- be as deadly as pirate...

04:59:54 mircea_popescu: people do, even today.

05:00:14 asciilifeform: eh but how deadly are they at 120.

05:00:44 mircea_popescu: cixi was okay. so was stalin

05:01:38 asciilifeform: stalin at 120, roommate with hitler in buenos aires ?

05:01:50 mircea_popescu: lol. no, stalin at right before he was about to get beria

05:02:07 asciilifeform: 74

05:02:41 mircea_popescu: but technologee!

05:05:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 34 @ 0.139 = 4.726 BTC [+]

05:08:04 trinque: "I don't think you can raid b-a anon" << lol!

05:08:34 trinque: says latest guy in /b/

05:11:58 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/216NK1W << check out the story of bots. so assbot checks the link. bitly bot checks it too two seconds later. google ? twenty seconds later.

05:11:59 assbot: dpaste: 216NK1W ... ( http://bit.ly/1A1AAaL )

05:12:11 mircea_popescu: EMERGENCY!111 b-a has posted a link to things!!1

05:18:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173309 @ 0.00027257 = 47.2388 BTC [+] {2}

05:19:47 trinque: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Ben_Garrison

05:19:48 assbot: Ben Garrison - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1A1ByUd )

05:34:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160363 @ 0.00027278 = 43.7438 BTC [+] {2}

05:35:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142137 @ 0.00027423 = 38.9782 BTC [+] {2}

05:43:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.00026519 = 10.6606 BTC [-]

05:44:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00027451 = 11.7216 BTC [+] {2}

05:53:05 punkman: "The linux futex_wait call has been broken for about a year (in upstream since 3.14, around Jan 2014), and has just recently been fixed (in upstream 3.18, around October 2014). More importantly this breakage seems to have been back ported into major distros (e.g. into RHEL 6.6 and its cousins, released in October 2014), and the fix for it has only recently been back ported (e.g. RHEL 6.6.z and cousins have the fix)."

06:07:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239432 @ 0.00027461 = 65.7504 BTC [+] {2}

06:09:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 232509 @ 0.0002752 = 63.9865 BTC [+] {2}

06:10:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41412 @ 0.00027693 = 11.4682 BTC [+]

06:15:33 mircea_popescu: !up toddf

06:15:47 mircea_popescu: davout btw, isn't your paymiumthing an exchange ?

06:31:48 mircea_popescu: https://memorygapdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/shrine_of_statists.jpg heh, not bad that ben garrison

06:31:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FfIbT9 )

06:33:13 mircea_popescu: https://memorygapdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/authority_man.jpg well worked at any rate.

06:33:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FfIflN )

06:34:03 mircea_popescu: https://memorygapdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/al_gore_climate_change-2.jpg

06:34:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4FErE )

06:38:58 cazalla: shame those ones are edits of his originals

06:40:24 trinque: lol

06:40:31 trinque: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IftYhBRLllk/VVAMl45O1SI/AAAAAAAAA38/myDSGzElEPg/s1600/m00t_ceo_of_troll.jpg

06:40:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4G1Cx )

06:41:06 trinque: http://garrisongraphics.blogspot.com/

06:41:06 assbot: Ben Garrison ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4G2qc )

06:42:42 mircea_popescu: cazalla you know i vaguely recall this entire butthurt thing @internet trolls

06:43:30 cazalla: yeah i think i mentioned his work with OHPI (online hate prevention institute) like a year back

06:43:52 mircea_popescu: http://garrisongraphics.blogspot.com.ar/2015/04/8chan.html

06:43:53 assbot: Ben Garrison: 8chan ... ( http://bit.ly/1FfIPA2 )

06:43:54 mircea_popescu: heh

06:44:08 cazalla: the shit is so pervasive that you can't find his originals half the time lol

06:44:31 mircea_popescu: seems a great compliment.

06:53:03 mircea_popescu: o copypaste can i also has argentina! seeing how i live there atm.

06:54:02 copypaste: Yes, you can. That board is in Spanish though so you might want to use a different page, or not.

06:54:36 copypaste: I saw your article about McDonalds printing money there, very funny. I'm partial to Colombia as far as Latin American countries go personally though.

06:55:17 mircea_popescu: im half considering it. you ever been ?

06:55:24 copypaste: Yep

06:56:00 mircea_popescu: not really much like what people imagine.

06:58:04 copypaste: You could probably run a nice Bitcoin arbitrage out of Argentina if you did it right.

06:58:11 copypaste: They have some crazy currency controls

06:58:43 mircea_popescu: i can't be arsed. they're too poor and too retarded.

07:04:19 cazalla: so AFP got back to me.. those pics i shared earlier are legit (yet the newsarticle shows an mp5 lol) and AFP tells me that they never sent the guns despite press release saying they did a controlled delivery and guns were seized

07:05:55 mircea_popescu: aha...

07:32:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62129 @ 0.00026023 = 16.1678 BTC [-]

07:37:10 mircea_popescu: "A students' union officer who is employed to promote diversity at a London university has reportedly asked white people and men not to attend an anti-racism protest meeting.

07:37:10 mircea_popescu: Bahar Mustafa, the welfare and diversity officer at Goldsmiths Students' Union, told students that the union meeting was only open to "BME Women" - females of black and ethnic minorities."

07:37:14 mircea_popescu: sounds legit

07:45:48 cazalla: seen her? she's white as

07:48:08 mircea_popescu: lulzy to me.

07:48:34 mircea_popescu: honestly i watch the news from anglosphere today like i watched the news from biafra twenty years ago, as a child.

07:49:02 mircea_popescu: a mixture of glee and excitement at the outlandishness of it.

07:49:52 mircea_popescu: (biafra was a part of nigeria during civil war. famine and nutty shit)

07:51:55 cazalla: yeah never heard of jello biafra or anything like that before that.. o.0

07:52:52 cazalla: but yeah, heard of it before and it being short lived

07:53:55 mircea_popescu: i suspect it defined "africa" for half a century.

08:45:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 185250 @ 0.00026023 = 48.2076 BTC [-]

08:58:56 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131450 but the boobs must be right in the middle!

08:58:56 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 01:37:03; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron and since we're doing future references : you don't want a 20% of empty sky and cut calves.

09:02:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118100 @ 0.00027693 = 32.7054 BTC [+]

09:55:39 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 20000 @ 0.000207 = 4.14 BTC [+] {2}

10:11:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195672 @ 0.00027694 = 54.1894 BTC [+] {2}

10:13:56 kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu how about using mikes dynamic banners for that?

10:13:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:27:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 243717 @ 0.00027844 = 67.8606 BTC [+] {2}

10:37:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86060 @ 0.0002798 = 24.0796 BTC [+] {2}

11:38:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140332 @ 0.00027823 = 39.0446 BTC [-] {2}

11:50:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 356866 @ 0.00026736 = 95.4117 BTC [-] {3}

12:35:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154950 @ 0.00028139 = 43.6014 BTC [+] {2}

13:04:58 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131946 <<< yes

13:04:58 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 06:15:47; mircea_popescu: davout btw, isn't your paymiumthing an exchange ?

13:44:03 mats: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/5/13/739

13:44:04 assbot: LKML: "Jason A. Donenfeld": [PATCH 0/4] ozwpan: Four remote packet-of-death vulnerabilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1FaaxwI )

14:24:44 asciilifeform: mats: wtf, who ever even used that thing

14:24:52 asciilifeform: mega-snore.

14:33:07 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131941 << very typical.

14:33:07 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 05:53:05; punkman: "The linux futex_wait call has been broken for about a year (in upstream since 3.14, around Jan 2014), and has just recently been fixed (in upstream 3.18, around October 2014). More importantly this breakage seems to have been back ported into major distros (e.g. into RHEL 6.6 and its cousins, released in October 2014), and the fix for it has only recently been back ported (e.g. RHEL 6.6.z and cousins

14:38:26 mats: asciilifeform: i was amused

14:38:42 williamdunne: ;;later tell mircea_popescu have you purchased ads on 8chan? I just saw a fraudsters ad asking to buy photos of my tits

14:38:43 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:40:46 williamdunne: !s stoya

14:40:47 assbot: 36 results for 'stoya' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stoya

15:02:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88152 @ 0.00028258 = 24.91 BTC [+] {2}

15:05:53 jurov: williamdunne: yes he did. and you're human female?

15:14:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127900 @ 0.00028323 = 36.2251 BTC [+] {2}

15:20:15 williamdunne: jurov: I miss that qualification

15:39:03 jurov: here it says "I'm giving away 0.1BTC to any human female that.."

15:46:53 danielpbarron: !up MykelSilver

15:49:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187817 @ 0.00028441 = 53.417 BTC [+] {2}

15:54:58 jurov: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/us-companies-are-throwing-a-fit-because-theyre-losing-control-over-the-internet lulzmine

15:54:59 assbot: US Companies Are Throwing a Fit Because They're Losing Control Over the Internet | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1cAqClu )

15:59:47 davout: williamdunne: re ads see log

16:00:15 danielpbarron: >> about how they've been treated unfairly by the International Corporation of Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) << so not really "the internet" they're losing control over, but the stupid naming system

16:04:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00028161 = 9.2227 BTC [-]

16:05:28 jurov: you know anyone who really does not use the stupid naming system?

16:05:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143550 @ 0.00028656 = 41.1357 BTC [+]

16:06:19 danielpbarron: isn't that the goal in here eventually?

16:07:42 jurov: i don't remember any concrete proposal

16:08:31 danielpbarron: the gossipd thing

16:09:42 jurov: but there will certainly be some stupid naming system over it.

16:10:00 jurov: but if you really want to call me BBB0A99950037551F533850A677ABD62D0AEE7D7 ...

16:14:04 jurov: i hope gossipd spec has a part concerning this. otherwise it will be inevitably bolted on in some ugly haphazard fashion

16:18:11 mod6: In this case, wouldn't you just be called "Juraj Variny (jurov) <rini17@gmail.com>"

16:18:15 mod6: ?

16:31:13 jurov: hmm, that's true

16:31:14 ben_vulpes: there's also the urbit style naming convention for keys

16:34:05 jurov: but gpg pubkeys are not practical for replacing DNS. what if you want to tranfer the name?

16:34:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89648 @ 0.0002867 = 25.7021 BTC [+] {2}

16:34:40 ben_vulpes: this assumes the name has any import.

16:35:00 ben_vulpes: "namshub" et al have no import, are just mnemonic devices for remembering the keyids

16:35:13 ben_vulpes: "you wouldn't share a key!" (tm)

16:35:33 jurov: that's neat example for engineers' blind spot for naming

16:35:34 ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZm8vNHBSU

16:35:35 assbot: Piracy it's a crime - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FguW4v )

16:36:17 jurov: names have too long history of being bought, sold, stolen or counterfeited to neglect them such

16:36:22 *: ben_vulpes has a blind spot for derp problems in general

16:36:50 davout: jurov: the naming in gossipd is supposed to be local

16:37:29 ben_vulpes: /etc/hosts, basiclolly

16:37:37 davout: pretty much

16:38:29 jurov: so if, say i start doing coinbr support over gossipd, and i transfer it, have to ask everyone to update their /etc/hosts?

16:38:52 ben_vulpes: transfer what - your hosting key?

16:38:56 ben_vulpes: routing key?

16:39:24 jurov: anything! keys cannot be really transferred

16:39:39 jurov: new owner would want completely new keys

16:40:28 mod6: <+jurov> but gpg pubkeys are not practical for replacing DNS. what if you want to tranfer the name? << then there would be a deed detailing the transfer of the name to a new key fingerprint?

16:41:41 jurov: can't we just use namecoin?

16:42:12 jurov: to be sure everyone has the latest deeds

16:44:23 ben_vulpes: dns is dumb

16:44:38 ben_vulpes: global lookup mapping of names to servers is dumbbbb

16:44:50 ben_vulpes: http://www.razik.com/bikes/ << but this bike is sweet

16:44:52 assbot: Bikes | Razik.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fgw2gS )

16:47:28 mats: that price tag though

16:47:30 mod6: <+jurov> can't we just use namecoin? << yeah, I thought maybe this was addressed in the logs before...

16:47:33 mod6: !s namecoin

16:47:34 assbot: 166 results for 'namecoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=namecoin

16:47:41 *: mod6 looks

16:48:32 jurov: yes, no one takes it seriously

16:50:41 mod6: aight well, have to check later. bbs.

16:52:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62300 @ 0.00028707 = 17.8845 BTC [+]

16:52:54 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132055 <<< neither can reputation, so maybe it's actually a feature

16:52:54 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 16:39:24; jurov: anything! keys cannot be really transferred

16:54:05 jurov: that needs the notion that "all corporations die with their owner" to catch on

16:54:23 davout: ben_vulpes: you call that a bike? that's a bike http://moto-images.caradisiac.com/IMG/jpg/1/3/8/3/2/Suzuki_GSX-R_1000_2012_4.jpg

16:54:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bSrAZH )

16:54:34 kakobrekla: jurov there have been such cases.

16:55:21 jurov: so?

16:55:33 jurov: i wrote "all"

16:55:54 davout: jurov: not all corporations have a single owner

16:56:16 davout: also if the transfer procedure is specified in the initial contract that shouldn't be a problem

16:56:21 ben_vulpes: davout: http://cdn.blessthisstuff.com/imagens/stuff/descricao_ryno_motors_scooter.jpg

16:56:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bSrSjd )

16:56:42 davout: ben_vulpes: oh god

16:57:52 jurov: how does "initial contract" resolve the problem of transfer without previous owner retaining the key?

16:59:04 davout: you can specify the conditions under which you'd transfer the business to another key

16:59:57 jurov: such as? all copies of previous owner's gpg key to be provably destroyed?

17:00:00 jurov: :D

17:01:42 kakobrekla: such as failing to sign 'ping' in time?

17:02:31 ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field

17:03:17 davout: jurov: well no, owner 1 deedbots "o hey, i'm out, speak to owner 2 starting July 1st 2015, kthxbye"

17:03:27 davout: owner 2 has own key, problem solved

17:03:34 kakobrekla: and if owner 1 dead?

17:03:39 kakobrekla: or in captivity?

17:04:03 davout: well, i guess you're fuxxored unless there was a sensible plan in place

17:06:45 jurov: kakobrekla: but that's good idea for our keyserver. sign ping every month, otherwise keyserver publishes the key as dead

17:07:47 davout: jurov: what would be the point?

17:08:21 jurov: better than current "expiration date" mechanism

17:08:34 jurov: (which mp effectively obsoleted)

17:10:18 davout: how did he obsolete it? also key expiration and "dead" flag seem functionally quite different

17:10:27 ascii_field: wai wat

17:11:09 jurov: you usually don't know in advance when a key needs to expire or get invalidated

17:11:40 jurov: and when you try to use this "expiry date" stuff, your mpex account expires,too

17:12:36 jurov: whereby with this "dead" flag you issue non-expiring key and decide what happens and why

17:13:16 davout: you can always extend the expiration date of a key

17:13:22 davout: it's not set in stone

17:13:25 jurov: mpex does not honor that

17:13:44 davout: how do you know?

17:13:56 davout: mpex either speaks GPG or it doesn't

17:14:15 jurov: http://mpex.co/faq.html#18

17:14:31 jurov: i had one time exemption, had to change the key to non-expiring

17:18:29 davout: hmm, if it doesn't update keys you can start with a non expiring one and add the expiration date after opening your acct

17:28:14 ascii_field: something like deedbot for key expirations (and the presently nonexistent but direly necessary expire-for-new-signatures-only) is inevitable

17:34:52 danielpbarron: !up ascii_field

17:39:33 ascii_field: and yes, the only way to solve the expire-for-new-sigs problem is, likely, to require blockchain turd emission for every single sig, for such a key

17:41:05 danielpbarron: !up warptangent

17:41:44 danielpbarron: warptangent, who are you? (i see you have a key registered but no ratings yet)

17:42:28 danielpbarron: ah, monero guy?

17:57:40 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132033 << the cultural shift is not optional - 'do business with keys.'

17:57:40 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 16:10:00; jurov: but if you really want to call me BBB0A99950037551F533850A677ABD62D0AEE7D7 ...

17:57:52 ascii_field: key can say what it likes to be called, sure

17:58:22 ascii_field: but no one is to be -identified- for purposes of trust by his claimed name, rather than key

18:00:55 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132085 << the machine for transferring things from one key to another is called... blockchain

18:00:55 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 16:57:52; jurov: how does "initial contract" resolve the problem of transfer without previous owner retaining the key?

18:01:37 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132096 << enemy captures keyserver, publishes all keys as 'dead' l0l

18:01:37 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 17:06:45; jurov: kakobrekla: but that's good idea for our keyserver. sign ping every month, otherwise keyserver publishes the key as dead

18:02:34 jurov: there has to be only one keyserver?

18:02:50 ascii_field: jurov: however many

18:02:56 jurov: and this can be in blockchain, too

18:03:07 ascii_field: if there is a 'key is dead' token that one is relying on some third party to keep secret - it can be captured

18:03:20 jurov: what?

18:03:44 jurov: what third party?

18:04:11 ascii_field: jurov: referring to the 'dead man switch' thread from earlier

18:04:12 jurov: no recent pings seen in blockchain after $configurabletime = key dead

18:04:50 ascii_field: jurov: when it is dead, how do you prevent folks from signing with it 'backwards in time' backdated to before death ?

18:05:13 ascii_field: as i understand, the only way to do this is to require a blockchain 'ping' with -every- signature

18:05:22 jurov: must sign current merkle tree

18:05:33 jurov: stuff that cannot be predicted in advance

18:05:46 jurov: !up ascii_field

18:06:00 ascii_field: jurov: signing today's tree can be done tomorrow, no ?

18:07:08 jurov: only the tree's date is considered for purposes of dead man's switch, what's the problem with it?

18:08:04 ascii_field: jurov: for the purposes of establishing the time of a particular signature

18:08:07 ascii_field: say key 'died'

18:08:34 ascii_field: how to prevent folks from backdating signatures to when it was alive

18:09:27 jurov: how would it help them?

18:09:42 ascii_field: the whole point of 'expiring' a key is to prevent its use in the future

18:10:04 trinque: ascii_field something like deedbot for key expirations (and the presently nonexistent but direly necessary expire-for-new-signatures-only) is inevitable << could you use a specific message format with the deedbot- as is?

18:10:26 ascii_field: or rather, communicating authoritatively the statement that 'anyone using this key after this moment is an impostor'

18:10:31 trinque: I could also make changes to the thing to accomodate; maybe it rolls over all messages looking for particulars, produces some output every X

18:10:35 jurov: owner signed last merkle hash from a month ago, nothing seen from that key since

18:10:45 jurov: so the consensus is the key is dead

18:11:02 ascii_field: jurov: but what if someone 'unearths' a signature from last year that no one has seen before ?

18:11:19 kakobrekla: ping timeout

18:11:28 jurov: not valid anymore

18:11:36 ascii_field: then useless idiocy

18:11:37 jurov: "shoulda come sooner"

18:11:40 ascii_field: like today's expiration thing

18:12:00 ascii_field: i'm not expiring my signatures retroactively

18:12:03 ascii_field: and no sane person ever will

18:12:08 ascii_field: because it is retarded

18:12:29 ascii_field: but i also want to be able to upgrade keys

18:12:49 jurov: as i wrote, mirce deprecated upgrading keys

18:13:18 ascii_field: this is his greatest error and i'm not afraid to point at it

18:13:43 ascii_field: keys - must be upgradeable. sanely.

18:15:13 ascii_field: (the other thing is, he didn't forbid upgrading keys - simply happens to charge 30 btc for the service)

18:20:16 mats: SciPy talks announced http://scipy2015.scipy.org/ehome/115969/292868/?&

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18:43:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 3400 @ 0.00034038 = 1.1573 BTC [-] {2}

18:46:02 ben_vulpes: <jurov> mpex does not honor that << davout: i can confirm this

18:46:15 ben_vulpes: it's in the readme, you see.

18:46:55 davout: yup, wasn't sure of whether *proxies* updated keys as opposed to the engine, but i guess that yes, it's pretty plainly written

18:59:27 jurov: the engine did not even had time sync till 20 minute drift was discovered

18:59:44 jurov: mircea's ideal is a schrodinger's box apparently

19:03:18 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla they're the wrong size but yeah, that's the correct solution

19:03:36 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c hey mike! can you make the bitbet banners in 728x90 ?

19:03:36 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:14:43 mircea_popescu: http://digitalmoneytimes.com/crypto-news/bitcoin-isp-soon-to-be-traded-on-mpex-bitcoin-securities-exchange/ << so who's JP Buntinx ?

19:14:44 assbot: Bitcoin ISP Soon To Be Traded on MPex Bitcoin Securities Exchange | Digital Money Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjuZyW )

19:18:47 Adlai: "Furthermore, Bitcoin ISP offers no shares servers"... right, mpex serves shares

19:18:48 scoopbot_revived: Williams Pleas Guilty to Debunking Polygraph Pseudoscience http://qntra.net/2015/05/williams-pleas-guilty-to-debunking-polygraph-pseudoscience/

19:19:55 mircea_popescu: Adlai hey, wouldja like to advertise your jdif blog on /pol/ ?

19:20:37 Adlai: pf, /pol/ is my jidf blog

19:20:50 mircea_popescu: lol

19:21:19 mircea_popescu: as time goes by, i get more and more fascinated by the concept of "offended"

19:23:06 mircea_popescu: davout make a paymium banner then!

19:27:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132034 << the spec is that you can allocate whatever nicks you wish, LOCALLY.

19:27:38 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 16:14:04; jurov: i hope gossipd spec has a part concerning this. otherwise it will be inevitably bolted on in some ugly haphazard fashion

19:27:49 mircea_popescu: aka decentralized namespace.

19:29:07 mircea_popescu: or in other words, the solution to zooko's triangle is to use the local-global axe on the fucking knot. unique and secure names globally ; memorable locally.

19:30:38 mircea_popescu: (this is exactly how nature does it - as far as it's concerned the namespace is the genotype, as far as you're concerned you just use a nick for the fenotype)

19:31:04 mircea_popescu: spent millenia not even knowing there was a global namespace, perfectly happy.

19:31:43 kakobrekla: http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/quote

19:31:44 assbot: GBTC Bitcoin Investment Trust: Summary, Stock Quote & Trades for Bitcoin Investment Trust - OTCMarkets.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIyQyu )

19:31:56 kakobrekla: check it out, Common Stock - Each GBTC share represents ownership of approximately 0.1 bitcoin

19:32:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132066 << it was addressed. derps aren't here.

19:32:02 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 16:47:33; mod6: !s namecoin

19:32:03 kakobrekla: _approximatley_

19:32:35 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's how the new garrs and nefarios and gigavps and etc run the same old scam. "it COULD be 11btc each. YOU HAVE NO PROOF IT ISNT"

19:32:45 mircea_popescu: etc etc, 2012 all over again in a new tardstalk.

19:33:38 kakobrekla: > Each BIT share represented ownership of 0.1 bitcoins initially. The trust will not generate any income and regularly sells/distributes bitcoins to pay for its ongoing expenses. Therefore, the amount of bitcoin represented by each share gradually declines over time.

19:34:05 kakobrekla: hold till moon, err i mean zero.

19:34:27 mircea_popescu: right ?

19:34:27 scoopbot_revived: Nature vie avec jeune fille http://fraudsters.com/2015/nature-vie-avec-jeune-fille/

19:34:58 mircea_popescu: !rate silbert -1 Arrogantly ignorant twerp, de facto scammer through it.

19:34:58 assbot: silbert is not registered in WoT.

19:35:04 mircea_popescu: color me surprised.

19:39:26 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:42:20 *: ascii_field realized that one could, in principle, microfabricate logical circuits made of magnetic amplifiers (as seen in well-known 'сетунь' trinary computer)

19:43:02 ascii_field: no silicon, or doping thereof, required.

19:43:21 ascii_field: machine then is made entirely of classically conductive material.

19:43:35 ascii_field: (and insulators, such as air)

19:44:09 mircea_popescu: could this be printed ?

19:44:12 *: Adlai notes that JP "Morgan" Buntix left out the customer qualification criterion

19:44:15 mircea_popescu: (with modified printer, not plastic obv)

19:44:25 ascii_field: printed, etched, photolithographed, ...

19:44:36 ascii_field: stamped

19:44:45 ascii_field: lasered

19:44:50 ascii_field: pick favourite.

19:45:06 Adlai: laser etched :)

19:45:10 mircea_popescu: ah lasered

19:45:18 Adlai: hand carved!

19:45:33 mircea_popescu: actually - lasered into a chunk of uranium, so that selected atoms turn into gas.

19:46:01 ascii_field: wat

19:46:15 decimation: ascii_field: did you see that ibm has licensed third parties to produce 'power8' servers?

19:46:22 decimation: I think tyan is coming out with a mobo soon

19:46:26 ascii_field: decimation: no, and can't imagine why i'd care

19:46:35 decimation: non-intel cpu

19:46:42 mircea_popescu: ascii_field you have a discrete cristalline lattice of U, selected nodes get energized to the point they split, creating Xe

19:46:43 ascii_field: still usg turdware

19:46:54 decimation: yeah, but possibly better designed

19:47:00 decimation: supposedly ibm open sourced the full specs

19:47:26 decimation: http://www.enterprisetech.com/2014/10/08/tyan-ships-first-non-ibm-power8-server/

19:47:29 assbot: Tyan Ships First Non-IBM Power8 Server ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIBfcz )

19:47:29 jurov: wat, etching with neutron beam?

19:47:46 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how do you propose to deliver neutrons selectively where you want it to pop ?

19:47:54 mircea_popescu: jurov ayup.

19:48:06 mircea_popescu: ascii_field well, tachyons for all i care.

19:48:59 ascii_field: U fissions either by itself, or not at all, or when neutronned at

19:48:59 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't propose how. i propose what.

19:49:14 mircea_popescu: division of labour!

19:49:22 ascii_field: otherwise we're flying airplane powered by my farts. (i can also 'propose what, not how' l0l)

19:49:35 mircea_popescu: lol

19:51:15 jurov: or build schodinger boxes (with trade engine instead of cat within)

19:54:57 jurov: iirc i have some pending withdrawal out of said box, mircea_popescu

19:55:16 mircea_popescu: eh ?

19:55:32 ascii_field: http://www.pmillett.com/tubebooks/Books/mag_amp.pdf

19:55:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EICtVd )

19:55:36 mircea_popescu: til mpex has withdrawals too

19:55:36 ascii_field: ^ ancient scan

19:57:23 ascii_field: basic idea is a transformer whose output varies, given as a second (or more) circuit gets to saturate (or not) its core.

19:57:47 ascii_field: -not-, pointedly, a relay - there is no mechanical motion or wear

19:59:34 jurov: interesting. but does it work at high freq?

19:59:39 ascii_field: no.

20:00:11 ascii_field: well, nothing approaching transistor

20:00:18 ascii_field: (which was created for a reason)

20:00:56 ascii_field: (magnetic amps long pre-date semiconductors. nazis used them in subs, rockets, for instance)

20:07:01 mircea_popescu: !up joshc

20:09:51 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:12:03 jurov: http://imgur.com/t11sbfh :)

20:12:03 assbot: Oh The Irony - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1A40cDD )

20:12:30 mircea_popescu: hahaha

20:12:36 ascii_field: l0l

20:14:32 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132200 <<< whiskey tango foxtrot, seriously

20:14:32 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 19:33:38; kakobrekla: > Each BIT share represented ownership of 0.1 bitcoins initially. The trust will not generate any income and regularly sells/distributes bitcoins to pay for its ongoing expenses. Therefore, the amount of bitcoin represented by each share gradually declines over time.

20:15:00 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132185 <<< alrighty

20:15:00 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 19:23:06; mircea_popescu: davout make a paymium banner then!

20:15:49 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132093 << not the real problem. what if owner 1 then comes back, covertly.

20:15:49 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 17:03:34; kakobrekla: and if owner 1 dead?

20:16:45 kakobrekla: i dont belive in resurrection

20:17:50 davout: what if you incorrectly believe in death

20:18:01 mircea_popescu: owner 2 can always repudiate future signatures on the grounds that "it wasn't really me"

20:21:02 Adlai: !mpif

20:21:03 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]

20:21:23 Adlai: mircea_popescu: how'd you like to open another PC?

20:21:45 *: Adlai heard there's still coin burning holes in that pocket

20:22:44 mircea_popescu: i recall we discussed this and it closed.

20:23:14 *: Adlai is not talking about fiat trading

20:24:06 Adlai: although there is some common ground between fiat and what i'm talking about, which is: neither of them "exist"

20:24:38 Adlai: http://joinmarket.io/

20:24:39 assbot: JoinMarket Browser Interface ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIHXPE )

20:35:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132096 << nah

20:35:44 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 17:06:45; jurov: kakobrekla: but that's good idea for our keyserver. sign ping every month, otherwise keyserver publishes the key as dead

20:36:33 mircea_popescu: keys never expire. the meaning you give them may expire, and that's entirely your own personal problem. but otherwise, once found, the integers are there and can be multiplied.

20:40:45 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:41:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132108 << because it doesn't update keys.

20:41:19 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 17:13:44; davout: how do you know?

20:43:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132130 << the "key deadness" as somehow a part of the key itself, is not only conceptually ridiculous but practically unimplementable. forget it, it's about as relevant to gpg as "the gnu foundation"

20:43:17 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 18:03:07; ascii_field: if there is a 'key is dead' token that one is relying on some third party to keep secret - it can be captured

20:43:21 jurov: so, in 10 years 4096bit keys will stand in danger of cracking, what do you do? force everyone to pay 20-30btc again?

20:43:22 mircea_popescu: historical accident.

20:43:30 mircea_popescu: jurov absolutely.

20:43:40 ascii_field: one could picture a few 'cheats.' consider one: key, when promulgated, contains a large but finite set of values Q such that hash(hash(...(P)...) = Q, while P are retained as private. every signature must contain a unique Q from this set. when it is time to retire the key, you spend the remaining 'bullets' all at once.

20:44:52 mircea_popescu: ascii_field makes keys too big, doesn't actually offer anything other than the equivalent "at key promulgation, use it to sing a list of nonces, with understanding that statements w/io the nonce are void", let wot enforce this.

20:45:00 mircea_popescu: which in turn reduces to cargo-cultish supersecurity.

20:45:13 mircea_popescu: "oh, i encrypted this TWICE, it's much harder now!"

20:45:26 ascii_field: one cannot claim the same degree of 'hardness' for this as for the actual rsa, correct

20:45:55 mircea_popescu: there are some things that don't need fixing. what needs fixing re gpg is to use rsa throughout, rather than the current lulzatron.

20:45:56 ascii_field: but there -must- be a way to proclaim, with all the certainty that can be mustered, the fact that 'i signed with this before but -never intend to again-'

20:46:18 mircea_popescu: intentions need not be nor can they be part of signed matter.

20:46:19 ascii_field: and have this cemented in blockchain, on babylonian stone plinths, wherever

20:46:34 mircea_popescu: people have a way of coming to odds with their intentions

20:46:42 ascii_field: fuck'em

20:46:44 mircea_popescu: without human mediation, this is more of the "smart contracts" coolaid.

20:47:31 ascii_field: we have technology that can, with some certainty, prove that i did something at a certain moment in epoch time, plus or minus ten minutes

20:47:42 ascii_field: this plus rsa is good enough to sig-only-revoke.

20:47:52 ascii_field: (the tech is called bitcoin)

20:48:36 mircea_popescu: you have a comment field in the keys as they are now. put in there "This key not valid after block 175552"

20:49:18 ascii_field: merely suggesting a machine-readable standard for this, yes.

20:49:42 ascii_field: without the current idiotic retroactive cancellation of signatures

20:49:53 mircea_popescu: i do not belive machines should have any imperium over valid keys.

20:50:03 ascii_field: more of warning-light than imperium

20:50:21 mircea_popescu: it's what they say.

20:50:38 ascii_field: not that extant gpg honors expiration dates, to virtually everybody's great annoyance

20:50:49 ascii_field: *note that

20:50:58 mircea_popescu: i think the NOTION of expiration dates is broken.

20:51:10 mircea_popescu: you can't un-discover some integers in a certan mathematical relation.

20:51:20 ascii_field: it is only broken because it mixes abstraction-hardness levels, yes

20:51:27 ascii_field: remember the 'what colour are your bits' article.

20:51:31 mircea_popescu: right.

20:51:36 mircea_popescu: very much along the lines of that.

20:51:46 ascii_field: they cannot be undiscovered, yes. and don't have a baked-in temporal peg

20:51:57 mircea_popescu: so, the key is there. how do you COLOR it, that's your job.

20:52:58 ascii_field: pegging temporality requires some kind of agreement on mechanism

20:53:16 ascii_field: otherwise you get disputes and wankery where there should be 2+2 certainty.

20:53:28 mircea_popescu: there is necessarily not going to be 2+2 wankery.

20:53:34 mircea_popescu: i mean certainty

20:53:56 ascii_field: aha. but whatever approximation is physically possible, with clearly stated limits, ought to be achieved.

20:54:14 mircea_popescu: what are you, from the gui department ?

20:54:20 ascii_field: just as digital computer, theoretically, does not exist. but the approximation we use is 'almost same'

20:54:40 ascii_field: i'm from the shit that actually works within physical limits dept.

20:54:49 mircea_popescu: ah, but mind that there's no in principle reason a computer might not exist.

20:55:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 177350 @ 0.00028593 = 50.7097 BTC [-] {3}

20:56:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132148 << a simple solution to this being, of course, just making a deed.

20:56:20 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 18:10:26; ascii_field: or rather, communicating authoritatively the statement that 'anyone using this key after this moment is an impostor'

20:56:51 trinque: and nobody's stopping anyone from signing some JSON or what have you

20:57:00 mircea_popescu: My new key is X, use of Y key past this point is unsupported. Signed by Y.

20:57:18 ascii_field: this oughta be machine-readable.

20:57:27 mircea_popescu: as per trinque above.

20:57:45 mircea_popescu: and it specifically should be 'unsupported'. For all you know a key ends up rediscovered five billion years later.

21:06:26 jurov: yeah, cthulhu appears and says you rediscovered his 5bn old key which he proclaimed expired long ago

21:07:29 mircea_popescu: lol

21:08:22 trinque: so you could publish some schema for representing this and arbitrarily other such statements into the deedbot

21:08:38 trinque: then make reference to that deed when you use that schema later down the way

21:09:09 trinque: to me these are actually the most interesting use cases of the thing

21:21:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132163 << eh, i deprecated upgrading keys like i deprecating getting new suits.

21:21:53 assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 18:13:18; ascii_field: this is his greatest error and i'm not afraid to point at it

21:22:05 mircea_popescu: go into the shop get a new one made, what. you want to turn the old one in for a new one ?

21:22:10 mircea_popescu: what is this, the army ?

21:24:10 jurov: does the bank stops you from accessing your account when you get new suit?

21:25:25 BingoBoingo: It does if new suit includes ski mask

21:25:46 mircea_popescu: if it's any good, yes.

21:25:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, make some qntra banners ?

21:26:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure

21:26:15 mircea_popescu: ;;seen nubbins

21:26:15 gribble: nubbins was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 30 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 53 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <nubbins> any messages, gribs?

21:26:17 mircea_popescu: ;;seen nubbins`

21:26:17 gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 6 hours, 11 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <nubbins`> bbl doing things

21:26:22 jurov: we're talking about upgrading gpg keys according to known protocol, not some ski masks

21:26:35 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` yo nooblet, make a pink eyes banner ? :D

21:26:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:27:19 mircea_popescu: jurov we're talking about this situation where the total number of keys mpex charges for is = to the maximal number of keys ever used. that is not happening.

21:28:04 jurov: no it will inevitably be less

21:28:10 mircea_popescu: heh

21:28:24 mircea_popescu: ever used simultaneously*

21:30:51 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:31:04 ascii_field: used simultaneously ?

21:31:14 mircea_popescu: myeah.

21:32:12 ascii_field: this is... 7th time? we had the 'mpex discourages key upgrade' thread ?

21:32:19 mircea_popescu: if you can upgrade your key for free, you don't have to pay mpex, you can just find someone with a key they don't want to use anymore and they can "upgrade" theirs to yours.

21:32:38 mircea_popescu: mpex does not discourage anything. mpex charges, because mpex is a business.

21:33:27 ascii_field: aha, to upgrade key, mircea_popescu has to take a прогресс м-27м to orbit, and unscrew the old one, then retro-thruster and parachute capsule back to b-a

21:33:35 ascii_field: this costs approximately 30 btc.

21:34:14 mircea_popescu: keys are identities. identities have to qualify themselves. the qualification happens to be pay 30 btc.

21:34:19 mircea_popescu: i don't happen to care who your daddy is.

21:34:22 jurov: it's a racket yo

21:34:27 mircea_popescu: im that democratic.

21:34:40 ascii_field: mircea_popescu can charge 3000 btc if he likes, sure

21:35:16 mircea_popescu: but i do suspect i should increase it.

21:35:30 mircea_popescu: btc is way too cheap anyway.

21:35:44 *: mircea_popescu is off to ponder this idea.

21:36:30 ascii_field: aha too cheap. lusers like asciilifeform can almost afford 30

21:37:05 jurov: mp is the only one to qualify being on mpex, didn't you know?

21:37:18 ascii_field: it's his widget.

21:37:50 ascii_field: how many zeros to weld on to the price, his business

21:38:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119500 @ 0.00028161 = 33.6524 BTC [-]

21:38:10 jurov: no, go on, annoy him

21:38:30 jurov: if he adds several zeros, perhaps coinbr will see some volume after all

21:38:45 ascii_field: or some competition, l0l

21:39:50 jurov: they'd have to hire knuth himself to squeeze something usable out of that atrocious api

21:40:25 ascii_field: jurov: i thought the gnarly api was part of the 'bozo filter' just as the price was

21:40:58 jurov: yes and building something over it is yet another level

21:42:08 jurov: i suspect boilers will have much better ROI than another honest broker

21:42:28 ascii_field: better roi until pop, aha

21:44:05 ascii_field: i'm kinda curious why mircea_popescu considers a new key signed with a previous key to not be a logical continuation of the same identity. (is it because of the impossibility of hard-guaranteed revocation, as discussed in previous thread?)

21:44:12 ascii_field: perhaps when he wakes up again, will tell

21:45:07 jurov: it's not set into stone, you know

21:45:19 ascii_field: ?

21:45:38 jurov: he's born into wrong time, prolly wants to build a pyramid

21:46:17 ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> well, nothing approaching transistor << what sorta frequencies *did* work?

21:46:28 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: a few khz

21:46:32 jurov: stone carving just are not upgraded

21:46:44 jurov: *carvings

21:47:00 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i suspect this can be pushed up as the transformer cores are made smaller and coils themselves shorter (less inductive)

21:47:11 ben_vulpes: mhm

21:47:29 jurov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_logic says 1MHz

21:47:30 assbot: Magnetic logic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5TudA )

21:47:30 ascii_field: in the miniature version i suggested, performance may well edge into overlap with the worst silicon

21:48:23 ascii_field: jurov: magnetic logic as described in the literature mostly 'cheated' by including a diode with each gate

21:48:37 ascii_field: (read scan from earlier to learn why)

21:49:50 davout: meanwhile, http://blog.bitcoinfoundation.org/ leads to a "The Free Trial is Over" stock page XD

21:49:50 assbot: Domain Error · Ghost ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5THgG )

21:49:58 ascii_field: in the hypothetical machine, we cannot have the diode.

21:50:11 ascii_field: waat

21:51:25 ben_vulpes: <jurov> they'd have to hire knuth himself to squeeze something usable out of that atrocious api << ah, it's not that bad, just write a parser for the variety-speaking ad-hoc blublang

21:51:35 ben_vulpes: ragel's sitting right over there, etc

21:51:57 jurov: ben_vulpes: if you followed my adventures, i have got parser for $30 from romanian student

21:52:10 ben_vulpes: (for the uninitiated: i'm being very sarcastic)

21:52:13 jurov: it was the rest that took half a year

21:52:44 ben_vulpes: do you do a stat before and after placing every order?

21:52:53 ben_vulpes: actually you know what?

21:53:05 ben_vulpes: i don't feel like loading the MPEx api into my head today.

21:53:15 ascii_field: funnily, i still have it in my head

21:53:43 jurov: ben_vulpes: no, that is not necessary :)

21:54:07 ascii_field: (from phree demo in late 2012)

21:54:28 jurov: but you still have the account?

21:54:31 ascii_field: no

21:54:33 ascii_field: it was a demo

21:54:49 jurov: but beta accounts are still fully functional!

21:54:53 jurov: i have one

21:54:57 ascii_field: it wasn't an early beta, it was a demo just for me

21:55:07 ascii_field: mircea_popescu even gave me a 1 btc to drive it with

21:55:10 jurov: l0l

21:55:12 ascii_field: which i later gave him back

21:55:34 ascii_field: (actually ~1.4 that it turned into)

21:55:57 ascii_field: that demo was actually my first contact with mircea_popescu

21:56:14 jurov: you did not keep 0.4 funbux?

21:56:15 ascii_field: (initially, just with hanbot)

21:57:14 ascii_field: jurov: nope. ( https://blockchain.info/address/1LBimqMN5ftYgfQthcrBpqPDpC4H3c2w7o )

21:57:14 assbot: Bitcoin Address 1LBimqMN5ftYgfQthcrBpqPDpC4H3c2w7o ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5UbU9 )

21:57:21 jurov: or you traded hanbot out of 0.4 funbux and then gave them to mircea instead?

21:57:28 jurov: :DDDD

21:57:57 ascii_field: l0l

21:59:00 ascii_field: (ancient post, where i described why did this: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1139 )

21:59:02 assbot: Loper OS » Bitcoin Adventures. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5UhuQ )

22:00:02 jurov: yes i remember

22:00:25 ascii_field: but answer is no, it wasn't a proper beta account, it was a one-off demo that dissolved in ~month

22:03:02 jurov: 1up ascii_field

22:03:07 jurov: !up ascii_field

22:12:43 ascii_field: unrelated: http://gfycat.com/ImpracticalEducatedGraywolf

22:12:44 assbot: DirtyMasseur - Noelle Easton - Gfycat ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5VmD1 )

22:30:12 cazalla: much better than the grainy tumblr shit someone else links :)

22:46:49 BingoBoingo: http://gardenrant.com/2015/05/the-compostable-cup-trials.html << lol envirofraud

22:46:51 assbot: The Compostable Cup Trials | Garden Rant ... ( http://bit.ly/1bT5k1V )

22:53:19 decimation: re: pay 30 btc to upgrade mpex keys < does this mean that if you can crack an mpex key you get to use it?

22:53:37 decimation: so when 4096 bit keys become crackable - unlimited phree accounts?

22:59:25 cazalla: BingoBoingo, not cups but i vaguely remember about 25 years ago that they did a big song and dance about biodegradable plastic bags here down under and how they would be phased in and the old ones phased out, yet to this day they still carry on about plastic bags

22:59:44 cazalla: nice gardening blog btw, ty for link

23:00:15 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Ironically I stumbled into it looking for ways to kill certain unwelcome plants

23:09:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152362 @ 0.00028427 = 43.3119 BTC [+] {2}

23:34:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64938 @ 0.0002838 = 18.4294 BTC [-] {2}

23:49:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75753 @ 0.00027199 = 20.6041 BTC [-] {2}

23:50:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76605 @ 0.00026671 = 20.4313 BTC [-]