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00:02:23 punkman: all I get is the loading strobe

00:06:54 Naphex: try chrome

00:07:04 Naphex: only tested in chrome, everything else blows up atm

00:17:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00040464 = 9.4686 BTC [-] {2}

00:19:14 cazalla: yeah, runs like shit in firefox for me

00:19:53 cazalla: Naphex, what's this mean? #11 Invalid streamType and/or streamServer settings for .

00:23:00 Naphex: cazalla: no flash, stream is rtmp. needs flash for a codec

00:23:06 Naphex: fed through a javascript player

00:23:20 Naphex: cause HLS has like a 8~20s delay

00:23:37 Naphex: which is annoying to take down, and dash requres vlc

00:35:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00040182 = 5.8063 BTC [-] {2}

00:37:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00041202 = 3.461 BTC [+]

01:02:59 *: asciilifeform just used a 25-year-old floppy disk, without problems. how many dye-based 'cd-r' will last for 25 yrs ?

01:16:01 kakobrekla: meh i recall 'burning' a game at friends house to ~20 floppies, only to find ~5 not working when arrived home.

01:21:58 kakobrekla: and also, i recently trashed about 5 floppy drives, prolly all in working condition.

01:22:12 asciilifeform: why trashed

01:22:52 kakobrekla: if i keep everything that comes through my hands i will suffocate

01:23:13 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: gonna end up like me, i had to buy a brand-new one last week

01:23:17 asciilifeform: (yes you can still get them)

01:23:31 kakobrekla: maybe :\

01:23:31 asciilifeform: because had precisely one in my stash remaining, and it (literally) smoked

01:23:51 kakobrekla: but i dont have a cdrom in any computer either

01:24:02 kakobrekla: perhaps i could do w/o usb as well

01:25:26 asciilifeform: to be clear, this was not going in my proper computer

01:36:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19656 @ 0.00040159 = 7.8937 BTC [-] {3}

01:44:36 HeySteve: hello. kakobrekla, I wanted to speak to you about a trivia bot

01:45:35 kakobrekla: theres hundreds of trivia bots out there

01:46:51 HeySteve: yes, I was thinking trivia contests - maybe for BTC - would be fun

01:47:19 mircea_popescu: dja got btc to burn ?

01:47:40 HeySteve: nope, was thinking it might bring some in

01:48:06 HeySteve: entrance fees to the quiz, winner gets 90% of the fees, something like that

01:48:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33601 @ 0.00039769 = 13.3628 BTC [-] {2}

01:48:32 HeySteve: would need to pay people to research fresh questions too

01:49:36 mircea_popescu: copypaste btw, say when you're around.

01:56:52 HeySteve: would be ideal if a bot could be modded to hold and award the prize money

02:00:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163620 << the idea was to not change the words, as in "these five came out but i'ma use these other five instead because htey're eaiser to remember"

02:00:57 assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 21:59:34; kalki: thanks... ok so in attempting to set up my first gpg account, I am following the guide from contravex... so I am using the 5 dice coupled with the englich passphrase word list. So, I did 10 tosses, got the words, but then after entering, the gpg client tells me it is a weak pw as it contains no special characters. I read somewhere on fraudsters not to change ANYTHING from what I get from the dice toss... so just

02:01:11 mircea_popescu: that aside, adding a curly bracket at the end or something doesn't hurt anything

02:02:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163637 << that's definitely junk

02:02:06 assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 22:18:10; kalki: ok well I just subbed 2 special characters and then generated... it happened really fast... I thought it was supposed to take quite a bit of time but it appears to have generated in less than 5 seconds...?

02:03:12 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163646 << i kinda lolled.

02:03:12 assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 22:32:08; pete_dushenski: for ethereum posterity : http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-20369

02:04:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163651 << this stupid shit makes it even better.

02:04:22 assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 22:47:02; cazalla: oh god https://twitter.com/Blockchain_Memo/status/607955408360218624

02:07:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163684 << similar experiences. floppies fucking sucked.

02:07:20 assbot: Logged on 14-06-2015 01:16:01; kakobrekla: meh i recall 'burning' a game at friends house to ~20 floppies, only to find ~5 not working when arrived home.

02:07:37 asciilifeform: might have a survivor-bias thing going here

02:07:40 mircea_popescu: but also very variant. i had one that was good for hundreds of rewrites over a year

02:07:50 mircea_popescu: i had a batch of 100 out of which 30 died the first write

02:07:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite possible.

02:08:40 *: mircea_popescu had a complete lotus 1-2-3 and novell netware ~suites~, hundreds of 1.2mb floppies in 50 item boxes, shelves of the shit

02:09:52 asciilifeform: 1.2?

02:10:29 mircea_popescu: i think it was 3.11

02:10:50 scoopbot_revived: Eulora update http://fraudsters.com/2015/eulora-update/

02:11:32 mircea_popescu: ah, yes, 1,2mb

02:11:39 mircea_popescu: how much were yours ? 720 ?

02:12:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00037652 = 6.382 BTC [-] {3}

02:14:59 mats: it falls

02:27:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15751 @ 0.00037426 = 5.895 BTC [-]

02:29:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1.44 like normal people

02:29:34 asciilifeform: (and a few 720k)

02:29:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6949 @ 0.0003735 = 2.5955 BTC [-]

03:02:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8820 @ 0.00038939 = 3.4344 BTC [+]

03:20:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 144were the later, 3 inch ones

03:20:35 mircea_popescu: these were flexible

03:37:52 asciilifeform: aha then yes

03:43:37 mircea_popescu: barely enough for a modern jpg

03:45:09 asciilifeform: but probably enough for a life's work of decent programmer

03:45:24 asciilifeform: (the material worth remembering at any rate)

03:46:34 mircea_popescu: especially if written in asm

03:46:53 asciilifeform: aha

03:47:28 asciilifeform: i should hope to produce 1.2MB of something worth keeping before i'm buried

03:47:40 asciilifeform: this is a pretty decent standard to live by.

03:48:10 asciilifeform: (for this 'litmus,' only things you personally keyed in are to be counted)

03:50:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00038939 = 2.1416 BTC [+]

03:50:59 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/ru-cn-snowden-1m-docs.htm << today from the lulzfarmz

03:51:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPmk7w )

03:52:15 mircea_popescu: SELECT sum( length( post_content ) ) WHERE post_status = "publish"

03:52:15 mircea_popescu: > 105366707

03:52:17 mircea_popescu: what nao ?

03:52:25 asciilifeform: dingding winner

03:52:57 asciilifeform: from link, 'RUSSIA and China have cracked the top-secret cache of files stolen by the fugitive US whistleblower Edward Snowden, forcing MI6 to pull agents out of live operations in hostile countries, according to senior officials in Downing Street, the Home Office and the security services.' supposedly.

03:53:10 mircea_popescu: heh

03:53:31 asciilifeform: reads like a usg disinfo, though

03:55:38 mircea_popescu: only in that it;s a coupla years late.

03:55:48 copypaste: hi mircea_popescu

03:55:54 mircea_popescu: a hey.

03:56:10 copypaste: your ad expired on the 13th so that's why it was removed

04:01:18 mircea_popescu: lol and when's the click-ad thing expire ?

04:03:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00037373 = 5.3443 BTC [-]

04:38:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27957 @ 0.00039227 = 10.9667 BTC [+] {4}

04:44:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2743 @ 0.00041148 = 1.1287 BTC [+]

05:06:40 mircea_popescu: ooo

05:16:21 scoopbot_revived: Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Hits An All Time High http://qntra.net/2015/06/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-hits-an-all-time-high/

05:18:52 mircea_popescu: next year huh.

05:19:17 cazalla: yeah nothing really, couple of sleeps

05:19:37 mircea_popescu: lol

05:34:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00041202 = 2.6781 BTC [+]

05:57:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00040378 = 8.116 BTC [-] {2}

06:25:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7762 @ 0.00040276 = 3.1262 BTC [-]

07:29:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00039099 = 2.1113 BTC [-]

08:22:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00039187 = 1.2736 BTC [+]

09:12:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.0003752 = 5.5905 BTC [-] {3}

09:14:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00038933 = 13.4903 BTC [+] {2}

09:25:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00037967 = 2.8096 BTC [-]

09:32:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00039004 = 4.856 BTC [+]

09:58:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00037967 = 1.4617 BTC [-]

10:09:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13152 @ 0.00039004 = 5.1298 BTC [+]

10:29:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.0003736 = 12.8145 BTC [-] {3}

11:03:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00037126 = 8.0192 BTC [-] {2}

11:16:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7531 @ 0.00038839 = 2.925 BTC [+]

11:30:53 kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/610043122295418880

12:36:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14118 @ 0.00039004 = 5.5066 BTC [+]

12:37:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00038928 = 3.4257 BTC [-]

12:45:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00038928 = 10.9777 BTC [-]

13:10:56 mats: www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/world/europe/us-poised-to-put-heavy-weaponry-in-east-europe.html

13:52:20 mats: http://yurichev.com/blog/modulo/

13:52:21 assbot: Dennis Yurichev: 13-Jun-2015: Modular arithmetic + division by multiplication + reversible LCG (PRNG) + cracking LCG with Z3. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQ84vm )

13:55:07 asciilifeform: mats: good intro to subj. recall, perhaps in childhood, drawing 'random' pixels to screen, with atrocious prng ? could see pattern with naked eye.

13:57:09 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163764 << lol, do we get a newspiece every time this happens? 'you're older than you've ever been and now you're even older, ..., and now you're older still!' (tm) (r)

13:57:09 assbot: Logged on 14-06-2015 05:16:21; scoopbot_revived: Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Hits An All Time High http://qntra.net/2015/06/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-hits-an-all-time-high/

13:59:18 kakobrekla: lol alf

14:28:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00039004 = 6.3186 BTC [+]

14:33:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00038873 = 6.2586 BTC [-] {2}

14:34:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00038632 = 5.5437 BTC [-]

14:43:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40650 @ 0.00039145 = 15.9124 BTC [+] {2}

15:31:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33798 @ 0.00039565 = 13.3722 BTC [+] {2}

15:42:39 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu who was that fella a while back who wanted to set up a btc-denominated market for reverse-engineered/leaked specs? (think, easily verifiable...!) and did it go anywhere ?

15:42:40 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:49:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33788 @ 0.00040546 = 13.6997 BTC [+] {4}

15:59:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean the trivia bot ?

16:00:10 asciilifeform: wai wat

16:00:12 asciilifeform: trivia bot ?

16:00:37 asciilifeform: !s trivia bot

16:00:38 assbot: 1 results for 'trivia bot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trivia+bot

16:00:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163698

16:00:47 assbot: Logged on 14-06-2015 01:46:51; HeySteve: yes, I was thinking trivia contests - maybe for BTC - would be fun

16:02:12 asciilifeform: not related except in a hopelessly vague sense

16:03:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00040662 = 1.3012 BTC [+]

16:06:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23446 @ 0.00038952 = 9.1327 BTC [-]

16:07:24 mircea_popescu: or so you'd like to think.

16:07:45 asciilifeform: i'd -like- to think there is a connection. just not sure what it is, quite yet.

16:07:57 jurov: reverse-engineered/leaked specs ==== trivia?

16:08:36 mircea_popescu: the connection i see is that the proposition of this market is about as silly as the proposition of the trivia bot. there are fundamental differences between what a market is and what an assassination market is.

16:09:05 asciilifeform: it is trickier than first appears, because 'i want the s00p3r-s33kr1t floor plan for $fpga' is turing-complete (that is, whether the trade was an honest one is not resolvable by machine)

16:09:09 mircea_popescu: contrary to public idiocy, bitcoin's not particularly adequate to the latter. then again, public idiocy thought trains go too fast so it'll make passengers asphixiate out of lack of oxigen and cars explode.

16:09:11 asciilifeform: and so more or less what mircea_popescu said

16:10:04 mircea_popescu: but the market you propose, like the market which consists of assassins, like the market which consists of whores, is eminently NOT a market like the market that consists of grain, or ddram chips.

16:10:11 asciilifeform: and yes, it'd be a kind of 'assassination' and therefore doesn't work in a public wot, and therefore - at all...

16:10:29 mircea_popescu: they have a lot of common characteristics, yes, and the people "in" like to joke about it and pretend it's "the same". but... it is not.

16:10:50 mircea_popescu: it works privately. there ~are~ dudes who get girlies to throw their soaking wet panties at them

16:10:56 mircea_popescu: just, not you, and not for the being.

16:11:09 asciilifeform: aha, can't buy $magic.

16:11:16 mircea_popescu: some can.

16:11:28 mircea_popescu: but that some is important and it falsifies a ~fundamental~ property of markets.

16:11:28 asciilifeform: arguable that they didn't buy it, but only magic-amplifier

16:11:33 mircea_popescu: exactly.

16:11:35 asciilifeform: already had magic.

16:13:15 asciilifeform: the reason i asked is not that i was whacked with a club over the head and turned into a tard overnight, but that instead i was thinking of certain very limited special cases of jurov's suggested '0day prize box'

16:13:42 mircea_popescu: mayhap.

16:13:46 asciilifeform: where, e.g., 'get btc if you can get this chip, connected to the net, to execute undocumented instruction'

16:13:48 mircea_popescu: it is obviously new territory all this

16:13:59 mircea_popescu: well you might have noticed i AM making experiments in that province.

16:14:14 asciilifeform: somewhere in eulora ?

16:14:21 mircea_popescu: no lol, somewhere on fraudsters

16:14:32 *: asciilifeform must have missed this ?

16:14:55 mircea_popescu: eh it's all over teh place :)

16:15:09 asciilifeform: link?

16:15:46 asciilifeform: i was speaking specifically of an automated system (riding on wot, naturally, for the 'why should i potentially waste valuable $secret' bit)

16:16:11 mircea_popescu: ah, i wasn't. an' i'm not about to link the theory wqith the practice formally yet.

16:16:18 asciilifeform: i.e., if some bozo announces the box, no one plays, but if mircea_popescu does - possible

16:16:45 mircea_popescu: the 100% automation is too expensive

16:16:56 asciilifeform: really? i'da thought human power is too expensive

16:16:59 mircea_popescu: the 80% automation is what we do now anyway, for instance when using pgp

16:16:59 asciilifeform: and this could make the deal

16:17:13 mircea_popescu: think of computers at tractors.

16:17:26 mircea_popescu: which is precisely what they be.

16:17:32 asciilifeform: aha

16:17:38 mircea_popescu: 80% of a meal made by tractor - cheap

16:17:43 mircea_popescu: 100% of a meal made by tractor ?

16:17:48 asciilifeform: not proposing anything complex, really. something on the order of a bear trap

16:18:10 mircea_popescu: will the computer test if the thing it is testing has met the test or merely circumvented the test ?

16:18:18 mircea_popescu: because this computer may well save academia.

16:18:28 asciilifeform: defined here specifically for the 'circumvented ~= passed' scenarios

16:18:33 asciilifeform: limited in number, but valuable

16:18:51 asciilifeform: 'if you can supply a bitstring that makes mechanism x do y, get coin c'

16:18:56 mircea_popescu: i may be too slow for how fast this conversation has become, so gimme an example

16:19:48 mircea_popescu: in that example a) why would anyone accept to be paid less than the "cost to fuzz", and b) why would anyone opt to pay more thanb the "cost to fuzz" ?

16:20:13 asciilifeform: say i have a chip, from a certain vendor, for which no public documentation is known. it nominally allows firmware to be written, but not read back (most microcontroller vendors feature this.) i connect it to a programmable i/o board, and say 'supply the signals that cause it to spit out fw.'

16:20:34 asciilifeform: a monkey working at $vendor fires string, gets coin. for virtually no effort of his own.

16:20:50 asciilifeform: this answers 'a'

16:20:56 mircea_popescu: you are trying to take the personal relationship out of sex.

16:21:05 mircea_popescu: laudable, perhaps, but certainly unworkable.

16:21:16 asciilifeform: (monkey possesses the secret, will let go of it if he can do it at little personal risk and adequate reward)

16:21:31 mircea_popescu: see how that's a metaphor for womanhood ?

16:21:41 asciilifeform: no?

16:21:44 mircea_popescu: ...

16:22:17 asciilifeform: woman is terrible metaphor here - there's ancient (pre-mammalian, even) 'egg defense' firmware at work

16:22:29 mircea_popescu: what you said is a metaphor for womanhood, not the other way around.

16:22:33 asciilifeform: whereas u.s. corporate monkeys ~will~ sell their login for a chocolate bar (empirically proven)

16:22:42 mircea_popescu: a) monkey b) possesses the key c) will let go IF - c1. not painful c2. food and shelter.

16:23:47 mircea_popescu: and yes, chocolate bar. to the right bloke.

16:24:09 asciilifeform: very often, the secret in question is in possession of folks who presently have ~no~ way to monetize it - i am speaking specifically of amateurs who pwned, by way of idle exploration, the target - but are not in a 'k00l d00dz wot' where they can safely sell the result to anyone

16:24:26 mircea_popescu: how we'd evaluate the "very often" ?

16:24:33 asciilifeform: only one way.

16:24:35 asciilifeform: empirically

16:24:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.00037675 = 18.9505 BTC [-] {5}

16:24:49 mircea_popescu: it'd seem very superficially that if this is true the other name for it is "polichinelle's secret"

16:25:20 asciilifeform: mno.

16:25:34 asciilifeform: the concept of 'if random d00d pwned $victim, so has everyone' is only approximately true.

16:25:51 asciilifeform: because the incentive to actually sift through the raw data isn't presently there.

16:25:55 mircea_popescu: is there any particular reason the amateur that's not in a kool dude wot now will manage to get in the kool dude wot of the proposed market ?

16:26:21 asciilifeform: if the human element is maximally removed.

16:26:23 mircea_popescu: if that reason can be descreibed, is that reason anything but psychogenic ?

16:26:26 mircea_popescu: aham.

16:26:26 asciilifeform: bring magic key, get candy.

16:26:56 mircea_popescu: i am inclined to believe the solution to this problem is psychanalisis not software development.

16:27:08 mircea_popescu: then again... the past 50 years would look a lot different if i were actually right.

16:27:26 asciilifeform: the question of 'how do i know this candy dispenser contains candy and won't simply eat my key' is to be resolved using popescutronium (substance which powers atomic dirigible)

16:27:39 asciilifeform: hypothetically

16:28:12 mircea_popescu: how are you going to resolve dispute between party a which claims it ate its key and party b which claims the key was junk ?

16:28:22 mircea_popescu: specifically modeled for our convenience out of al schwartz.

16:28:32 mircea_popescu: so, he put in his key, and the result came out negatory. what now.

16:28:38 asciilifeform: it is a mistake to ask for a universal resolution to such a dispute, like asking for 'absolute velocity' in physics

16:28:55 mircea_popescu: the mistake is not to ask for it, the mistake is to contemplate a system that requires the question answered.

16:29:05 asciilifeform: i'm not certain that it does require it

16:29:21 kakobrekla: you need to call in ethereum

16:29:25 asciilifeform: l0l

16:29:29 mircea_popescu: why would magical dragon risk his magic to get involved in a system that may well tarnish it for no reason ?

16:29:56 asciilifeform: on account of the impeccable reputation of the wizard who built it ?

16:30:05 mircea_popescu: it just became unimpeccable.

16:30:26 mircea_popescu: and the past few years have taught me a whole lot about the value and complexity of maintaining impeccability.

16:30:44 mircea_popescu: not an easy task for angels to actually walk the earth.

16:30:51 asciilifeform: must be so impeccable that it does not visibly diminish from a single dissatisfied dragon - any more than planet earth visibly loses gravitational pull from a rocket launched to outer space

16:31:00 mircea_popescu: that's ok, the rule is 0 1 infinity.

16:31:03 mircea_popescu: your system goes to infinity.

16:31:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, by "magical dragon" i meant what you seem to mean by "wizard" just ftr.

16:31:50 asciilifeform: i must point out that i have sat on both sides of this (entirely absent) bench. both in search of secrets, ~and~ sitting on a small stash of 0days that will be buried with me

16:32:01 mircea_popescu: why would THE WIZARD get involved in this, when there's an unbound negative result on the table.

16:32:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only way he might consider it is if it were a ~bounded~ negative

16:32:43 asciilifeform: i.e. the secrets are sufficiently cheap (not of cosmic significance)

16:32:47 mircea_popescu: but when i tried that you said "it is a mistake to ask"

16:32:57 asciilifeform: sorta like most folks are happy to use 'coke' machines

16:33:04 asciilifeform: even though occasionally it eats the coin

16:33:08 mircea_popescu: mno.

16:33:29 mircea_popescu: the machine has a horrible reputation, and only survives in its abjection

16:33:36 asciilifeform: by all rights the machines ought to have disappeared by now

16:33:37 mircea_popescu: the usg did NOT survive eating the coin merely a few times.

16:34:27 asciilifeform: i wondered, often, if most 'coke' drinkers simply amortized the lost coins, mentally

16:34:33 mircea_popescu: don't come to me with a model that requires turning wizards into coke machines. there's no power to do so and the effort would be overall -ev anwyay

16:35:10 asciilifeform: again, the proposition is that there exists 'small change wizardry' which would find a place in a coke machine.

16:35:17 mircea_popescu: imo most coke drinkers do about the coins and machines what they do about their hopes and wives

16:35:24 asciilifeform: l0lwat

16:35:36 mircea_popescu: the only reason there's no coke machine murder-suicides is the low value of the item.

16:35:57 mircea_popescu: (same holds true for the recent downturn in actual marriages ended that way too)

16:36:00 asciilifeform: now that i think about it...

16:36:06 asciilifeform: coke machine 'murder-suicide' used to be sop! in usa

16:36:14 asciilifeform: until they started chaining the things to the wall

16:40:17 mircea_popescu: hehe

16:40:22 mircea_popescu: a quarter's not what it used to be.

16:40:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally most u.s. 'soda' machines have card slots now.

16:40:54 asciilifeform: (on account of multi-$ prices)

16:41:03 mircea_popescu: they a) no longer steal quarters and b) steal data.

16:41:08 asciilifeform: aha

16:41:21 mircea_popescu: everyone's happy : the plebs for a, the corp because b), as quarters weren't evenworth stealing

16:42:18 asciilifeform: one day some schmuck will build (for usg bid) a coke machine which dispenses the goop in exchange for a photo and dna sample

16:42:23 asciilifeform: and idiots will flock to it

16:42:33 mircea_popescu: why not ?

16:42:38 asciilifeform: aha.

16:42:45 mircea_popescu: think about it - that's for many of them the ONLY chance they get to reproduce their dna.

16:42:57 mircea_popescu: you are aware, yes ? point of life for the genotype driven is reproducing the damned things

16:43:33 asciilifeform: machine will index for usg db, not for implantation, lol

16:44:00 mircea_popescu: orly ?

16:44:03 mircea_popescu: i dun think it cares.

16:44:07 asciilifeform: they only store a few thou. of sequence

16:44:19 mircea_popescu: that's the only thing keepiong the floodgates shut.

16:46:15 asciilifeform: i've wondered what kept various floodgates of shit, hypothesized in fiction of the past, shut. e.g., 'rent-free' flats with walls covered in stomach-churning blinking advertisements 24/7, pensions in return for forehead tatoos of 'coca cola', etc.

16:46:18 asciilifeform: and similar horrors

16:46:45 mircea_popescu: iirc tattoo advertising is a thing

16:47:03 asciilifeform: never caught on en masse, afaik

16:47:27 asciilifeform: could have something to do with the cargo-cult, 'stotting' aspect of advertising per se

16:47:39 asciilifeform: gazelle does not need to stot 3km high, on rocket power

16:47:41 trinque: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/man-face-tattoos-companies-pay-removal-article-1.1294437 <<

16:47:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8ANwi )

16:48:56 *: mircea_popescu has seen plenty of "property of X" crotch-and-other-places

16:48:59 mircea_popescu: does it cunt ?

16:49:01 mircea_popescu: +o

16:49:22 trinque: lol

16:49:22 asciilifeform: not unless 'x' is 'coca cola', 'bank of america', etc

16:49:33 mircea_popescu: actually the only tattoo i ever saw that i thought was cool,

16:49:56 mircea_popescu: this chick has on her pubis that original persian message, in greek.

16:50:08 mircea_popescu: you know, the one gorgo "decyphered" ?

16:51:01 asciilifeform: l0l!!

16:51:11 asciilifeform: as seen in herodot ?

16:51:29 mircea_popescu: iirc it was widely reported in teh ancient world.

16:52:53 asciilifeform: incidentally, did 'e-ink' ever make an appearance in tattoo shops ?

16:53:21 mircea_popescu: no idea.

16:53:47 mircea_popescu: trinque the lol part is, how often the tattood were in fact free agents or otherwise involved.

16:55:42 mats: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19210935/why-does-the-c-preprocessor-interpret-the-word-linux-as-the-constant-1

16:55:43 assbot: Why does the C preprocessor interpret the word "linux" as the constant "1"? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8BIgh )

16:56:02 trinque: face tattoes aren't really any worse than stretching out your earlobes

16:56:25 trinque: people will imitate anything

16:56:38 trinque: s/face/crotch/

16:56:41 mircea_popescu: the earlobe idiocy is really popular here in the hipster crowd

16:56:48 trinque: here as well

16:56:53 mircea_popescu: i suspect worthless argentines tryin to act brazilian tough

16:58:02 mircea_popescu: anyway, i see a point to actually signifying tattoos, those queen of spades ankle stuff, or the russian cat or whatever.

16:58:13 jurov: yes, i have read about e-ink tattoo. but all such things fall into uncanny valley together with google glass

16:58:35 jurov: question is, how much longer

17:00:03 trinque: it will be a very long time before I implant electronics in my body, if ever

17:00:27 trinque: they're going to have to pull off "laptop" first

17:01:01 jurov: i am wearing electronics on my ears all day, so i've got a tollerance. but saw nothing appealing so far

17:23:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40553 @ 0.00037069 = 15.0326 BTC [-] {2}

17:26:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163786 << well, why should only isis get some ?

17:26:27 assbot: Logged on 14-06-2015 13:10:56; mats: www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/world/europe/us-poised-to-put-heavy-weaponry-in-east-europe.html

17:26:31 mircea_popescu: maybe the russians would want

17:28:39 trinque: "Russia/China poised to put heavy weaponry in Mexico and Canada."

17:29:28 mircea_popescu: mexico would make sense

17:29:37 mircea_popescu: i am kind of curious why neither are going for the "peace keeping" thing

17:29:47 mircea_popescu: state's in just as bad a shape as syria/ukraina/etc ever were.

17:29:52 trinque: yeah

17:29:58 mircea_popescu: perhaps because they're not retarded enough to be the us.

17:30:21 mircea_popescu: one should really stop and think for a moment if he notices that the opposing players eschew "opportunities" he himself wouldn't.

17:30:57 trinque: good point

17:31:13 trinque: and I wonder how long the other players will put up with our paranoid, incoherent moves against them

17:31:18 mircea_popescu: moreover, there are hard to miss parallels between this entire "saving the state" interventionism of the us coallition

17:31:35 mircea_popescu: and the numerous coallitions of defeated european monarchs trying to save monarchies from napoleon

17:31:49 mircea_popescu: i think it's liable to go the same place - state's exactly as dead today as monarchy was in 1803

17:32:14 mircea_popescu: yes, some symbolic "states", about as related to historical states as the queen of england's to historical britsh monarchs will survive

17:32:18 mircea_popescu: in pockets of "nordic system" ness

17:32:24 mircea_popescu: but otherwise. .. the state is gone.

17:33:10 mircea_popescu: if anyone can explain the difference between "for king and country" of the blips of the 1800s and "for democracy1`11`11" of the redditards of today...

17:34:04 mircea_popescu: the similarities are overpowering. both groups are grossly acultural, clinging to ridiculously simplified worldviews and models of thought, and pretending to a legitimacy and importance that is both absent in the field and justified ideally and historically only.

17:37:08 trinque: in the reddit version perhaps it's much harder to see precisely who's giving the orders

17:37:11 trinque: pao? surely not

17:37:25 mircea_popescu: the same problem existed with the blips.

17:38:13 mircea_popescu: (the word has a particular slang meaning in english, a certain sort of beer drinking, saber rattling british citizen.)

17:40:20 scoopbot_revived: Slutennis http://fraudsters.com/2015/slutennis/

17:40:53 trinque: I think I found one https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHUMlfeUMAAekLc.jpg:large

17:40:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BbUBMk )

17:41:14 mircea_popescu: haha too vulgar.

17:42:25 mircea_popescu: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0d/57/bd/0d57bd3b61e45343644281ed7d1cca3f.jpg << this

17:42:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BbUIaO )

17:42:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00038654 = 4.3679 BTC [+] {2}

17:42:56 mircea_popescu: Terry Gilliam is obsessed with them

17:43:27 trinque: ah ok, that must've been his great great grandson

18:10:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18308 @ 0.0003771 = 6.9039 BTC [-]

18:11:17 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://imgur.com/pE2zQPQ

18:11:17 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BbWybz )

18:11:17 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:11:46 ben_vulpes: thanks for the advice all

18:11:55 ben_vulpes: and yes asciilifeform it is "rusted solid" on the inside.

18:32:41 kakobrekla: thats a good thing?

18:42:08 jurov: rusted solid === genuine vintage

18:45:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32150 @ 0.00037548 = 12.0717 BTC [-] {2}

18:50:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53300 @ 0.00039088 = 20.8339 BTC [+] {2}

18:58:53 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what is that

18:59:53 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1164006 << ~blimps~

18:59:53 assbot: Logged on 14-06-2015 17:37:25; mircea_popescu: the same problem existed with the blips.

19:00:58 asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Colonel_Blimp_cartoon.png << as seen here.

19:00:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUzt9J )

19:04:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00037028 = 7.3315 BTC [-]

19:12:41 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: corvette

19:12:58 *: ben_vulpes off for a bit of motoring with pets

19:13:10 asciilifeform: i thought it was a block of rust ?

19:14:06 *: asciilifeform pictures ben_vulpes doing http://funnyrussians.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/povozka_1.jpg.crop_display.jpg

19:14:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUBaE7 )

19:18:04 jurov: !mpif

19:18:05 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021444 B (Total: 426.05 B). Delta: 0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]

19:18:12 jurov: !t m f.mpif

19:18:12 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000207 / 0.000207 / 0.000207 (15000 shares, 3.11 BTC)

19:54:37 mod6: haha. that horse drawn car is awesome.

20:16:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00036863 = 10.2479 BTC [-] {2}

20:45:20 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: almost exactly! except it's pulled by my giant dog instead of any sort of horse

20:46:30 jurov: no yoked human females?

20:48:10 mod6: haha

20:48:51 jurov: http://oglaf.com/hereafter/ guess oglaf saw us discussing death this week

20:48:52 assbot: hereafter ... ( http://bit.ly/1TmhClk )

20:50:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6230 @ 0.00037355 = 2.3272 BTC [+]

21:10:57 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski startup spacing issue corrected. Distinct hazard of staing into the idiocy is contact transmission of derp.

21:10:58 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:18:54 BingoBoingo: Fake words are also the hardest to spell

21:29:07 scoopbot_revived: Spy http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/14/spy/

21:38:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right you are

21:55:18 ben_vulpes: /usr/include/features.h:374:25: fatal error: sys/cdefs.h: No such file or directory << novel and exciting failures in compiling openssl

22:14:25 mircea_popescu: cdefs.h doesn't sound like it would be needed anyway :D

22:57:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19385 @ 0.00036749 = 7.1238 BTC [-] {2}

23:06:06 ben_vulpes: one would think, and yet openssl won't compile without cdefs.h apparently

23:35:15 ben_vulpes: anyways for future logreaders and software archaeologists:

23:35:32 ben_vulpes: fix for missing cdefs.h on ubuntu 14.04 was "g++-multilib"

23:35:51 ben_vulpes: now if anyone can tell me what the ever loving hell that actua.

23:42:38 funkenstein_: ben_vulpes, it's sudo apt-get turtles-dev all the way down

23:47:20 ben_vulpes: unacceptabru!

23:50:11 punkman: http://drawception.com/pub/panels/2012/4-4/8MgA8Zancj-10.png

23:50:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFlP2L )

23:51:12 punkman: !up gares_

23:54:37 funkenstein_: punkman, friend of yours?

23:54:45 funkenstein_: the turtle i mean

23:55:20 punkman: I like turtles

23:59:24 funkenstein_: you know poo-tsee?