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00:02:54 trixisowned: https://i.imgur.com/BF4kg6u.jpg

00:03:05 trixisowned: just got banned for posting that in #bitcoin

00:03:05 trixisowned: :P

00:03:47 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/37TPQFP.txt )

00:03:47 BingoBoingo: !b 3

00:04:16 mircea_popescu: who's that ?

00:04:22 trixisowned: andreas

00:04:24 trixisowned: who else

00:04:25 trixisowned: ahahaha

00:04:30 mircea_popescu: !up Flerb

00:04:50 mircea_popescu: oh the neobee shill ?

00:04:58 nubbins`: i have about 50% success posting comments to fraudsters

00:05:00 mircea_popescu: what, is he reduced to shoe on head type of work now ?

00:05:02 dignork: and what's with the hammer?

00:05:05 mircea_popescu: nubbins` srsly that bad ?

00:05:08 nubbins`: i try to be as non-robotty as possible, but.. shrug

00:05:14 nubbins`: it eventually lets me

00:05:20 nubbins`: sometimes takes like 3-4 tries

00:05:28 nubbins`: sometimes i just give up :0

00:05:30 mircea_popescu: well this sucks.

00:05:34 dignork: nubbins`: are you running over tor?

00:05:37 nubbins`: no

00:05:54 nubbins`: tor is for weenies

00:06:00 mircea_popescu: 12 here.

00:06:23 mircea_popescu: tor shouldn't really do anything

00:06:39 nubbins`: i'd ask you how it identifies bots, but y'know

00:06:52 mircea_popescu: not a secret, i even published the code.

00:06:55 nubbins`: o?

00:07:07 mircea_popescu: there's a hidden form field based on your ip

00:07:25 mircea_popescu: (bots don't load the page on the same pass as they fill the comments - they use spiders, like google)

00:07:39 mircea_popescu: and other than that, it looks that you took at least a few seconds to type your comment in

00:08:26 nubbins`: i do occasionally write up comments in a text editor & paste em in

00:08:49 *: nubbins` is an accidental enter-presser ;(

00:09:23 nubbins`: Blazedout419 nice coin

00:09:54 mircea_popescu: well that'd do it then.

00:11:27 Flerb: So do I need OTC ratings to talk?

00:11:48 nubbins`: you need to be in assbot's trust network in order to voice yourself

00:11:50 nubbins`: ;;ident

00:11:50 gribble: Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None

00:11:55 nubbins`: i mean:

00:11:57 nubbins`: ;;ident Flerb

00:11:58 gribble: Nick 'Flerb', with hostmask 'Flerb!~willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123', is not identified.

00:12:00 Flerb: Oh I see

00:12:01 nubbins`: ^ step one

00:12:12 nubbins`: step two:

00:12:17 nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot Flerb

00:12:17 Flerb: ;;ident Flerb

00:12:18 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Flerb: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Flerb | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Flerb | Rated since: never

00:12:18 gribble: Nick 'Flerb', with hostmask 'Flerb!~willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123', is not identified.

00:12:24 mircea_popescu: Flerb i linked you above to the explanation. did you read it ?

00:12:29 Flerb: Yeah

00:12:40 mircea_popescu: so, yeah, you need ratings from the people that are in the magic list.

00:12:49 Flerb: Ok

00:12:56 Flerb: But ratings surely are for trades?

00:13:01 nubbins`: ratings are for trust

00:13:05 Flerb: Oh

00:13:15 nubbins`: this can be for trades, for back rubs, for business dealings, etc

00:13:42 mircea_popescu: everything is a trade.

00:13:50 Flerb: Oh ok

00:13:57 Flerb: So I'll register with otc

00:14:20 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i made the conditions less draconic.

00:14:24 mircea_popescu: let me know if it's still a pain.

00:14:34 decimation: also of mild interest: http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1323476 << seems intel isn't delivering 14 nm for anything important in the near future

00:14:35 assbot: Intel Outlines 14nm, Broadwell | EE Times

00:14:37 nubbins`: will do. let me know if you get more comment spam!

00:14:47 mircea_popescu: i never get any anyway :)

00:14:53 Flerb: Why is this necessary? Was there a lot of spam?

00:15:06 mircea_popescu: Flerb it's to oppress people.

00:15:11 nubbins`: now if only you could get rid of the pingbacks ;D

00:15:17 Flerb: Oh cool

00:15:25 Flerb: I love oppression

00:15:32 mircea_popescu: decimation yeah it was kinda dead in the water 14nm

00:15:38 nubbins`: you'll fit in here

00:17:57 RagnarDanneskjol: from what i understand, @ 16-14nm existing foundry tools just don't cut it (literally) to get any effective performance yield

00:20:17 mircea_popescu: yup

00:20:21 decimation: yeah these features are ~30 Si atoms in size, not surprising that photo-lithography is failing

00:20:35 BingoBoingo: Architectures are about to get exotic again

00:20:52 mircea_popescu: it's the end of that accursed law, we can get back to humanity for a while.

00:20:59 mircea_popescu: until wetware, is my bet.

00:21:32 RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea

00:22:01 mircea_popescu: holy shit. ipads ARENT MULTITASKING !?

00:22:05 mircea_popescu: dude. jesus. omfg.

00:22:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a normal unix box

00:22:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but apple's first version of os didn't support user task switching

00:22:30 mircea_popescu: then why does everything stop the moment it goes to background ?

00:22:38 mircea_popescu: hm.

00:22:55 decimation: the capability to shrink dies has far outstripped the capability to design logic to exploit the new possibility space

00:23:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i recall, it uses an evil semi-cooperative task scheduler for user apps (vs system daemons) where 'non-essential' threads are suspended

00:23:32 asciilifeform: this, according to the dev manual, is to save battery charge.

00:23:35 kakobrekla: this thing was introduced in the later models only ?

00:23:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so basically... it doesn't have multi-tasking.

00:24:00 asciilifeform: running more than one user app simultaneously was introduced in ver. 4 i think.

00:24:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it does, but app has to explicitly ask for it

00:24:21 decimation: I'm sure the hand of steve was in this

00:24:29 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla> this thing was introduced in the later models only ? << This thing was introduced when they "introduced" "multi-tasking"

00:24:30 mircea_popescu: sooo basicalllllllyyyyy....

00:24:36 asciilifeform: so, for instance, streaming audio apps can play in background

00:24:43 mircea_popescu: whgat the fuck am i going to do, run ipad gcc and make the app ask ?

00:24:55 asciilifeform: what's the app in question

00:25:16 mircea_popescu: various random games. i got a tablet to check out what's going on in that space.

00:25:19 asciilifeform: if it ought to do something useful in background and doesn't, it is the author's fault, yes

00:25:23 mircea_popescu: turns out... everything downloads in a patch-needed state

00:25:29 mircea_popescu: and everything takes > 10 minutes to patch

00:25:36 mircea_popescu: and everything wants to be front-up while doing this

00:25:41 mircea_popescu: and i think i am going to buy a hammer.

00:26:41 BingoBoingo: I'd be interested in partnering with someone to startup S.MASH

00:26:47 *: asciilifeform owns one of virtually every basic type of portable tablet/reader gizmo, they each have some use

00:26:48 BingoBoingo: !s s.mash

00:26:48 assbot: 4 results for 's.mash' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=s.mash

00:26:55 mircea_popescu: and this leaving aside the problem that every shithead from vietnam to shangshitland is making the same dumbass 3 or 4 games, with the most ridiculous mechanics,

00:27:10 decimation: plus 'ipad gcc' (xcode) only runs on a mac, and you have to tell apple why you want it (not that it would help without the app source)

00:27:14 mircea_popescu: but that notwithstanding, it's apparently impossible to get any of these aspiring "software houses" to even pick up the phone.

00:27:28 asciilifeform: 'nexus 10', for example, is just right for reading vintage djvu scans of 'наука и жизнь'.

00:27:29 mircea_popescu: we've created a fine empire of cacophonic nonsense, i tell you. such victory of civilisation ;/

00:27:32 BingoBoingo: I imagine most of them can't afford phones

00:27:41 decimation: ascii do you have one of those huge sony e-ink readers?

00:27:54 asciilifeform: decimation: amazon's 'kindle dx'

00:28:03 asciilifeform: used exclusively for russian war3z

00:28:10 decimation: yeah, sony was going to be paper sized

00:28:18 mircea_popescu: i literally was confronted with obviously the same one (stupid) thing, once with a scantily clad "mobster" girl, then later with a scantily clad "medieval fantasy" girl.

00:28:21 decimation: or bigger actually, I think they bailed on that business

00:28:23 BingoBoingo: The Sony readers were basically warez text only, it was great

00:28:26 asciilifeform: sony did the original 'prs' box (sold mine for less than cost of shipping years ago)

00:28:31 asciilifeform: but has fallen down since

00:28:47 asciilifeform: dx, if i recall, is sadly out of production

00:29:52 decimation: http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/27/sony-13-inch-digital-paper-e-ink/

00:29:52 assbot: Sony's 13-inch 'Digital Paper' is just like paper, except it costs $1,100

00:30:19 *: asciilifeform hates epaper touch screens as a concept

00:30:29 decimation: my bid for such a device is $100

00:30:33 nubbins`: <+decimation> plus 'ipad gcc' (xcode) only runs on a mac, and you have to tell apple why you want it << you have to tell apple why you want xcode?

00:30:34 asciilifeform: can't finger-scroll on it, so only thing that happens is dirt

00:30:52 decimation: nubbins`: at least in the past you had to get a developer account

00:30:56 *: nubbins` shakes head

00:31:05 nubbins`: you need a developer account to load apps onto your idevice, sure

00:31:10 asciilifeform: decimation: afaik you still do if you want to actually run your code on (uncracked) apple portable gizmos

00:31:13 nubbins`: xcode itself is just a general ide. totally free

00:31:49 decimation: yeah they don't charge you for xcode but you still need to sign up afaik

00:31:49 nubbins`: you could use it to build eulora for your mac if you wanted

00:31:52 nubbins`: nah

00:32:23 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah if you want to actually ship your code, you have to submit your source to apple for approval

00:32:30 asciilifeform: and pay.

00:32:35 decimation: apple: usg dept of shiny things

00:32:46 asciilifeform: although last i checked - only binaries

00:33:01 dignork: nubbins`: last time I tried, i had to root the phone and patch the xcode to avoid dev license

00:33:32 nubbins`: we're talking about two different things here

00:33:48 decimation: asciilifeform: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3186648/does-apple-view-the-actual-source-code-when-approving-apps << you are right, they just scan binaries

00:33:49 assbot: iphone - Does apple view the actual source code when approving apps? - Stack Overflow

00:33:50 nubbins`: yes, you need a developer account ($99) to install code to your ipad or iphone

00:34:11 nubbins`: no, you do not need anything except *maybe* an itunes account to download and use xcode

00:34:19 BingoBoingo: ;;rate RagnarDanneskjol 2 Thinks, enthusiastic

00:34:19 *: asciilifeform developed for 'ipad' once, a long time ago.

00:34:20 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user RagnarDanneskjol has changed from 1 to 2.

00:34:26 *: nubbins` developed for ipad once as well

00:34:37 *: asciilifeform gave up in disgust, didn't finish

00:34:42 decimation: ;;rate asciilifeform 2 engineer of many things

00:34:43 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.

00:34:46 *: nubbins` paid for ipad with sales from two apps :/

00:34:47 mircea_popescu: well if anyone knows any of these twerps that keep spitting out pointless, copycat ipad games,

00:34:49 mircea_popescu: make a connection.

00:34:53 nubbins`: objective-c is gnarly

00:34:53 decimation: asciilifeform: what did you think of objective C?

00:35:07 nubbins`: i actually know a brilliant objective-c programmer

00:35:16 asciilifeform: decimation: not a fan. abuse of poor c, just like cpp

00:35:30 decimation: yeah I would put them in the same category (c++ and objc)

00:35:31 nubbins`: he's been getting a lot of work doing interactive media displays for big corps and stuff lately

00:35:32 RagnarDanneskjol: is he for hire? - I got jobs need fillin

00:35:39 BingoBoingo: Huff Po Dude is now in handcuffs >> https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/499691017533403137 https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/499705415106830336

00:35:40 assbot: I counted 70+ SWAT officers. Guns trained on crowds. Insanity. http://t.co/stev2G6v4b

00:35:41 assbot: SWAT just invade McDonald's where I'm working/recharging. Asked for ID when I took photo. http://t.co/FOIsMnBwHy

00:35:42 asciilifeform: c doesn't like to commit atrocities, it was only following orders

00:35:47 mircea_popescu: lol ragnar's gonna build an empire here

00:35:56 nubbins`: RagnarDanneskjol he probably is and you probably can't afford him

00:36:10 decimation: I never really understood why structs and function pointers weren't enough for someone to build all the "objects" they desired

00:36:10 RagnarDanneskjol: ha

00:36:19 nubbins`: :D

00:36:27 asciilifeform: is that a raytheon microwave cannon on the right hand side?

00:37:11 asciilifeform: ;;google active denial system

00:37:12 gribble: Active Denial System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System; Video: I Got Blasted by the Pentagon's Pain Ray — Twice | Danger ...: http://www.wired.com/2012/03/pain-ray-shot/; The Active Denial System (ADS) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9p5naCkz2w

00:37:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Looks like it's baby brother doesn't it

00:37:23 nubbins`: looks like it

00:37:25 decimation: I never understood why mcds doesn't replace their mouthbreathing employees with robots

00:37:26 mircea_popescu: "Your right to assembly is not being denied," the police said later over a loudspeaker.

00:37:29 mircea_popescu: lmao

00:37:34 asciilifeform: these were, officially, pulled from iraq

00:37:43 asciilifeform: ... for cooking own operators

00:37:51 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/jonswaine/status/499710622422949888

00:37:53 assbot: Photo of reporter I believe to be /ryanjreilly being cuffed and put in a police van minutes ago in /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash http://t.co/l6olRUPk13

00:38:29 asciilifeform: not one comment mentions the dish ?

00:38:49 asciilifeform: what gives ?

00:38:55 mircea_popescu: people be clueless ?

00:39:13 asciilifeform: i suppose they'll learn when it is switched on

00:40:06 decimation: are you talking about the sector dish on the white pole?

00:40:10 BingoBoingo: Well, sunset is soon enough, that seems to be when tear gas goes on

00:40:23 BingoBoingo: decimation: Mounted on the roof on rightmost vehicle

00:42:37 mircea_popescu: i guess it's a great time to be an reenaction armorsmith

00:42:38 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/ilNBHp6

00:42:38 assbot: Raytheon ADS? - Imgur

00:42:51 mircea_popescu: pretty much all this expensive high tech crap dies a hoirrible death if confronted with chain mail.

00:42:52 dignork: asciilifeform: the dish looks bigger on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System#mediaviewer/File:Active_Denial_System_Humvee.jpg

00:42:52 assbot: Active Denial System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

00:42:59 asciilifeform: they had a mini version

00:43:02 asciilifeform: no public photos afaik

00:43:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform raytheon has been trying to prop up th emegahole in its balncesheet by selling a mini version to fed backed usg agencies.

00:43:36 mircea_popescu: but from what i hear it doth not actually work.

00:43:42 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/499717867323936769

00:43:43 assbot: What is this thing /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash https://t.co/DbjiZUp5o1

00:50:23 decimation: re: death ray << it is well known amoung amateur radio folks that RF burns are extremely nasty, they don't heal like normal wounds

00:51:56 RagnarDanneskjol: it just looks like a turrett hatch to me

00:52:14 decimation: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/local/kyle-munson/2014/04/05/munson-heavy-duty-military-equipment-police/7337463/

00:52:19 assbot: Munson: Heavy-duty military equipment given to police

00:52:39 decimation: "Washington's MRAP, valued at $733,000, was as "free" to the city as a diesel monster with a 74-gallon gas tank that guzzles down the road at 5 miles per gallon can be."

00:53:06 BingoBoingo: decimation> re: death ray << it is well known amoung amateur radio folks that RF burns are extremely nasty, they don't heal like normal wounds << Still better than touching the antenna...

00:53:57 decimation: I'm not sure how you are going to make money selling to the democratic police when the surplus war material is "free"

00:54:05 *: BingoBoingo keeps telling himself Mexico is only a 30 day walk away

00:54:16 BingoBoingo: !up GodHatesFigs

00:54:43 decimation: I just at a few raw figs, they were delicious

00:55:04 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/occupythemob/status/499718454778142722

00:55:05 assbot: What the wife of the /hashtag/ferguson?src=hash chief of police has to say on her Facebook http://t.co/dGdkegmfc4

00:56:45 BingoBoingo: !up AdrianoOliveira

00:56:53 AdrianoOliveira: hello everyone!!

00:57:02 BingoBoingo: Hello AdrianoOliveira

00:57:27 decimation: re: chain mail << no need, just wear this: http://www.rfsafetysolutions.com/RF%20Radiation%20Pages/RF_Protective_Garments.html

00:57:28 assbot: RF protective garments or suits are described.

00:57:42 decimation: made for folks who work on live broadcast antennae

01:00:21 dignork: decimation: love their warning: "If your ankles feel warm, something is wrong!"

01:01:19 decimation: lol yeah you would have to pay me a fair amount of cash to get me to climb a tower in that suit in front of a live high-power transmit antenna

01:02:18 RagnarDanneskjol: anyone into rf haxory should check this. most interesting/well developed proj I've seen in the space to date: https://github.com/mossmann/hackrf

01:02:19 assbot: mossmann/hackrf GitHub

01:03:10 dignork: RagnarDanneskjol: it's on preorder :(

01:03:26 RagnarDanneskjol: i made one w/ my bare hands

01:04:20 decimation: yeah, those are neat, except the most interesting part is the fact that you can capture a decent band

01:04:27 decimation: what are you going to do with the band, once you have it?

01:04:57 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: You really aren't playing with RF until you are measuring power in at least tens of watts

01:05:02 RagnarDanneskjol: I work on radar/IR jamming stuff w/ fpgas, electronic warfare

01:05:28 RagnarDanneskjol: I know what I'm doing, have lots of burns to prove it

01:06:43 BingoBoingo: Ah, I'm more familiar with DX'ing as a sport

01:07:02 BingoBoingo: How far can you get on X power budget in Y Band?

01:07:35 decimation: I guess it goes down to 10 mhz so you could do HF

01:07:48 decimation: at least the upper end

01:08:14 BingoBoingo: Yeah

01:09:05 decimation: it barely puts out 1 watt

01:09:32 BingoBoingo: That's what AMPs are for

01:09:47 decimation: I strongly suspect you would need additional filtering if you were to use one in a 'civilized' manner

01:09:59 dignork: RagnarDanneskjol: also this thread was lol: https://twitter.com/dragosr/status/368083088338722816

01:10:00 assbot: Sniffing GSM with HackRF http://t.co/CkABpCoSYc

01:10:14 BingoBoingo: decimation: Nothing about Radio is civilized

01:10:19 RagnarDanneskjol: yea I saw that, very cool

01:10:34 decimation: BingoBoingo: are you referring to conversations on 80 meters?

01:11:04 BingoBoingo: decimation: Oh, its always the same story from 2-160 meters

01:11:16 dignork: RagnarDanneskjol: yeah, but check the titon's reply :)

01:11:38 decimation: yeah amateur radio would be much more fun if there were people to talk to other than hams

01:11:55 RagnarDanneskjol: hmm

01:12:45 BingoBoingo: IRC over Ham is a thing...

01:13:43 decimation: BingoBoingo: how so?

01:13:46 RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea, so is IP

01:14:08 BingoBoingo: decimation: You can do internet protocol over Ham

01:14:23 BingoBoingo: Nothing "encrypted" though

01:14:30 decimation: BingoBoingo: yeah I'm aware, but I was wondering if someone had a live gateway somewhere

01:14:41 RagnarDanneskjol: sure, and I have heard of encryption schemes I think too

01:14:54 RagnarDanneskjol: just been getting into gnurad recently. http://dangerousprototypes.com/2014/07/14/tutorials-gnu-radio-for-beginners/

01:14:54 assbot: Tutorials: GNU Radio for beginners | Dangerous Prototypes

01:15:37 mircea_popescu: <decimation> I'm not sure how you are going to make money selling to the democratic police when the surplus war material is "free" << love will find a way.

01:16:22 decimation: I love this distinction between proper police who serve the king, the local baron's agents, and the "democratic police". I'm going to use the phrase more often.

01:18:44 mircea_popescu: <decimation> yeah amateur radio would be much more fun if there were people to talk to other than hams << like what, 19/f/cali accidentally on the transmission ?

01:19:16 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That could be a charity, 19 year old Cali girls on 10 meters

01:19:42 BingoBoingo: If the US cared about diplomacy this could replace Voice of America entirely

01:20:36 decimation: no the median ham is a ossified 50-70 year old male who rarely has anything interesting to say

01:20:50 mircea_popescu: now that's an idea, i wonder how the iraq/afghan wars would have went if instead of 2-500k gay boys eager to play videogames

01:21:04 mircea_popescu: the us war dept just enlisted 2-500k eager valley sluts and packed them off.

01:21:10 mircea_popescu: "come back in two years"

01:21:27 decimation: with or without guns?

01:21:36 mircea_popescu: no guns, and not so much clothing either.

01:21:43 mircea_popescu: let the arabs sort it out.

01:21:52 decimation: well, they would be alternately raped and stoned to death I would suspect

01:21:56 mircea_popescu: really

01:21:57 mircea_popescu: ?

01:22:07 mircea_popescu: i bet you lower casualties than currently observed.

01:22:21 mircea_popescu: no culture murders nubile defenseless womenz.

01:23:19 mircea_popescu: i tell you, when i am tyrant this is how my tyranyship will be fighting wars.

01:23:27 decimation: unless one of them was a daughter who embarrassed his father?

01:23:28 mircea_popescu: "you piss us off we're sending the girls over your place."

01:23:38 mircea_popescu: decimation exactly. no ties, no killings.

01:24:29 decimation: well I certainly agree that there would be fewer causalties, given that iraq is safer for said video-game boi than the US, but quite deadly for the average iraqi

01:26:10 decimation: btw if you want to listen to random hams you can go here: http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ set to "LSB" and tune between 7090 and 7180 or so

01:26:10 assbot: Wide-band WebSDR in JO32KF

01:29:59 decimation: !up xe4l

01:30:01 mike_c: i can't find anything

01:30:05 decimation: !up tris

01:30:26 BingoBoingo: Local TV channels still on "regularly scheduled programming" guess that is a sign of something

01:30:32 decimation: mike_c: it helps if you hit the "zoom in" on waterfall view

01:32:54 decimation: mike_c: there's a guy talking on 7125 khz (set LSB mode)

01:33:08 mike_c: got him

01:33:53 mike_c: pretty cool

01:34:02 ben_vulpes: http://cryptybots.com/ << hue

01:34:03 assbot: Index of /

01:34:24 decimation: LZ2JE was his callsign, http://www.arrl.org/international-call-sign-series << makes him Bulgarian

01:34:26 assbot: International Call Sign Series

01:38:38 ben_vulpes: Blazedout419: pretty pretty.

01:38:57 BingoBoingo: !up mbr9200

01:39:05 BingoBoingo: Hello mbr9200

01:39:34 mbr9200: Hey, what's this channel mostly about?

01:40:10 BingoBoingo: mbr9200: Various Bitcoin things, paranoia, nekkid ladies

01:40:22 mbr9200: interesting

01:40:22 BingoBoingo: !up dpb_reddit

01:40:28 mbr9200: who is assbot?

01:40:29 BingoBoingo: Hello dpb_reddit

01:40:36 BingoBoingo: What brings you here

01:40:44 decimation: assbot is a robot that manages channel moderation

01:40:49 mbr9200: ahh

01:40:51 mircea_popescu: !up mbr9200

01:40:56 BingoBoingo: mbr9200: Assbot is a bot, gifted to us by kakobrekla in his trememdous benevolence

01:41:06 mbr9200: what is "!up"

01:41:22 BingoBoingo: mbr9200: Up is what lends you voice in 30 minute intervals

01:41:23 mircea_popescu: gives you voice.

01:41:41 mircea_popescu: !down dpb_reddit

01:41:45 mircea_popescu: nah he had enough earlier.

01:42:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That could have been a new one.

01:42:13 kakobrekla: its not same

01:42:18 BingoBoingo: Different person same name

01:42:22 kakobrekla: !up dpb_reddit

01:42:29 mircea_popescu: ow.

01:42:35 kakobrekla: have you been here before ?

01:42:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The url the sends them here names them

01:43:10 mbr9200: Oh, cool. A cofounder and I came up with a very interesting altcoin idea. I wrote the white papers for it, got a web dev guy, just looking for a coin dev if anyone is able. I also appreciate the large number of people on this chat, good stuff.

01:43:11 mircea_popescu: this theory that redditards have like... different personalities. what do you people do in the intimacy of your own house, name goldfish ?

01:43:40 mbr9200: i had a goldfish once, it jumped out of its bowl

01:43:42 mircea_popescu: mbr9200 the only guy here that made his own coin before would be thickasthieves.

01:43:57 mbr9200: thanks!

01:44:09 mircea_popescu: ;;seen thickasthieves

01:44:09 gribble: thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 10 hours, 20 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <thickasthieves> who uses a ripped condom tho?

01:44:21 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I drank with a toad I found in the back yard yesterday...

01:44:30 mbr9200: Okay, thanks

01:44:48 RagnarDanneskjol: the deaf toad

01:44:55 RagnarDanneskjol: you know they got no ears

01:44:58 ben_vulpes: i met a guy today who's doing supercap batteries

01:45:16 ben_vulpes: but miniaturized, and gate-switched for power output.

01:45:27 ben_vulpes: er, power distribution i think may be the correct term?

01:45:36 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Apparently they can't hold their liquor either, he croaked...

01:45:50 decimation: ben_vulpes: are you referring to the kickstarter project for the supercap batteries?

01:45:55 ben_vulpes: pahaha no.

01:46:07 asciilifeform: re: microwave blaster: raytheon's pumps out 95 GHz. --> ~3mm wavelength. don't have pinholes in the suit.

01:46:22 ben_vulpes: decimation: http://www.voltavolare.com/

01:46:23 assbot: High-Performance Efficient Aircraft With GT4|Volta Volar

01:46:29 RagnarDanneskjol: @ mrb9200 - pls email me a job order to admin@bitrecruiter.com - I locate developers for this sort of thing. most of them are scoundrels & losers just fyi

01:46:30 asciilifeform: and use something conductive plus translucent for ocular.

01:46:48 asciilifeform: (what? say, indium. where to get any? easy - self-darkening welding mask.)

01:46:52 ben_vulpes: just bought http://www.spykercars.com/

01:46:52 assbot: Spykercars

01:47:18 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I suspect they use those suits for vhf/uhf tv and cellular, and even then they probably don't stand in front of live transmitter

01:47:40 asciilifeform: decimation: useless for this application. nothing broadcasts at 95 GHz

01:47:45 TomServo: http://youtu.be/XQqZ9b0S0BY

01:47:45 assbot: The Declaration Of Bitcoin's Independence - YouTube

01:47:47 trixisowned: http://www.ustream.tv/realalexjones/pop-out

01:47:48 assbot: Ustream.Tv

01:47:50 trixisowned: chimpout

01:47:50 TomServo: haha, quite the cast

01:47:51 trixisowned: happening ^

01:47:57 trixisowned: they getting teargasses

01:47:58 trixisowned: etc

01:48:05 trixisowned: teargassed*

01:48:19 decimation: yeah 95 GHz is golden toilet band

01:49:21 decimation: ben_vulpes: this plane uses said supercaps?

01:49:32 ben_vulpes: the plane exhibited has only been flown with lithiums.

01:49:40 ben_vulpes: dunno what supercap means

01:49:58 ben_vulpes: but the capacitative (sp?) plane should be doing demo flights ca. 2016.

01:50:00 asciilifeform: !s supercapacitor

01:50:01 assbot: 3 results for 'supercapacitor' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=supercapacitor

01:50:24 asciilifeform: demo flights ca. 2016 << nope.

01:50:25 ben_vulpes: non electrochemical

01:50:32 ben_vulpes: well duh nope

01:50:41 asciilifeform: to paraphrase old saw, 'fly in it? i wouldn't walk under it'

01:50:45 decimation: I think the best supercaps are lithium chemistry

01:51:13 trixisowned: wtf

01:51:18 trixisowned: they are starting fires and shit

01:51:31 asciilifeform: fast charge - fast discharge. elementary.

01:51:34 ben_vulpes: plain old capacitative modules, fabbed into chips.

01:51:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/2014/критика-и-самокритика/#comment-104692 << look at that, you've indirecly made a s. fan

01:52:02 asciilifeform: lol!

01:52:20 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> re: microwave blaster: raytheon's pumps out 95 GHz. --> ~3mm wavelength. don't have pinholes in the suit. << it only works if continuous, for one.

01:53:01 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol can you locate one of these azn ipad developers making shitty games ? or is it like the spammers, by the time their handiwork is seen they're long married/drafted/gone

01:53:27 asciilifeform: trixisowned: that stream is hilarious

01:53:32 trixisowned: yes it is

01:53:37 asciilifeform: almost as good as the 'occupy dc' from way back

01:53:37 trixisowned: "this is your final warning!"

01:53:39 trixisowned: http://www.ustream.tv/realalexjones/pop-out

01:53:41 assbot: Ustream.Tv

01:53:42 trixisowned: ahahaha

01:53:48 trixisowned: theres a building on fire

01:53:50 trixisowned: this is ridiculous

01:55:14 BingoBoingo: trixisowned: Say waht you will, but black America is probably that last "Real America"

01:57:23 RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - sure, those guys are dime a dozen. I can find almost any spec you throw at me - the more detailed & complex the better. Its kind of nice cause I work in a female dominated industry (HR) so I tend to gravitate all the jobs noone else can fill

01:58:10 asciilifeform: for non-usians:

01:58:20 asciilifeform: ever wonder why detroid looks like berlin circa '45 from the air?

01:58:23 asciilifeform: this is why.

01:58:26 asciilifeform: *detroit

01:59:27 trixisowned: "protest"

02:02:13 asciilifeform: why is that camera not flying on a toy chopper again?

02:02:14 decimation: I wonder if this will lead to a cleavage between the poor brown power base of the elites who run the inner party?

02:02:17 trixisowned: inb4 they cut out cell service

02:03:36 decimation: asciilifeform: the FAA ordered a "shutdown" of the airspace there: http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_2599.html

02:03:37 assbot: 4/2599 NOTAM Details

02:04:00 asciilifeform: decimation: 'not caught - not thief'

02:04:25 decimation: yeah but streaming video on ustream isn't exactly hiding evidence...

02:04:36 asciilifeform: from comment stream:

02:04:39 asciilifeform: 'i can't fap to this'

02:05:12 decimation: plus I'm certain that sighting such a gadget flying around would be a pretext to crack down on something else

02:05:47 asciilifeform: decimation: let them shoot 10,000 of them

02:06:29 asciilifeform: (these police, on the other hand, will shoot no one. 'it would be racist' (tm) )

02:07:26 asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device

02:07:26 assbot: Long Range Acoustic Device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:07:30 asciilifeform: ^ the dish from before

02:07:45 decimation: yeah that must be high frequency chirps just heard

02:08:10 trixisowned: ...

02:08:14 trixisowned: http://fox2now.com/on-air/live-streaming-2/

02:08:15 assbot: Live Streaming 2 | FOX2now.com

02:08:16 trixisowned: watch this one

02:08:19 trixisowned: its way higher quality

02:08:20 asciilifeform: my favourite incarnation of this idea is the '80s french 7 Hz speaker

02:08:22 trixisowned: they are throwing fireworks

02:08:25 trixisowned: http://fox2now.com/on-air/live-streaming-2/ <-

02:08:26 assbot: Live Streaming 2 | FOX2now.com

02:08:29 asciilifeform: everybody dumps his doughnuts, cops and rioters alike

02:08:31 trixisowned: holy fuck

02:08:35 decimation: asciilifeform: the brown note?

02:08:39 asciilifeform: aye

02:09:04 trixisowned: http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930

02:09:08 trixisowned: here

02:09:08 trixisowned: this one is working too

02:09:33 asciilifeform: the thing that always perplexed me about american 'revolts' is

02:09:36 decimation: looks like they've started to hand out free cs gas

02:09:39 asciilifeform: they always burn... their own streets.

02:09:49 trixisowned: wow

02:09:50 trixisowned: wtf

02:09:55 trixisowned: they are firing on the houses

02:09:55 trixisowned: wtf

02:10:20 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/protesters-police-again-facing-off-in-ferguson/article_0806541b-ed48-5d06-9267-323531ad6cf1.html

02:10:21 assbot: Washington Post, Huffington Post reporters say they were arrested while covering Ferguson protests : News

02:10:48 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they always burn... their own streets. << The one thing "Occupy" seemed to make an earnest effort to correct

02:11:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: except that it was a theatrical production of the collegiate muppet class

02:11:55 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah, they were light on the burning and trashing

02:12:03 trixisowned: http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930 this one is the best stream

02:12:04 assbot: I am Mike Brown Live from Ferguson, MO on Livestream

02:12:12 asciilifeform: heavy on the marx and engels

02:14:53 asciilifeform: we'll know it's a real holiday when the radio jammers kick in.

02:14:55 decimation: this goes to my earlier point about a split in the Dem. party. it's not like the usg elite overlords act in their interest

02:15:10 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> heavy on the marx and engels << their names, but not ideas in any informed way, walked into local encampement at the time, no one wanted to debate hegel

02:15:56 decimation: BingoBoingo: that would be amusing to watch (hegel debate) "Hegel who?"

02:16:35 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i actually tried to talk to the occupy folks, purely for own amusement, on several occasions

02:16:51 BingoBoingo: decimation: Local at the time "Occupy" camp was on the way back to my apartment walking from place that served 44 oz booze slushies

02:17:29 asciilifeform: typical: me - 'what do you stand for ?' - 'we will build an utopia!' [literal. followed by 20 min. of i-forget-what]

02:17:57 BingoBoingo: Wasn't the worst place to pick up girls from though

02:18:02 asciilifeform: there were crackpots handing out self-printed books, etc

02:18:19 asciilifeform: i have 30GB or so of video, mostly a snore

02:18:25 asciilifeform: 'occupy' - sucked

02:18:41 trixisowned: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu9u0RuCIAE4yXc.jpg

02:18:45 decimation: yeah the wto protests about 10 years ago in DC were more lively

02:19:01 BingoBoingo: Once I even held a sign on the street corner for a while said "RUF is for the People" and none of the other people had a concrete idea of what RUF was or where they operated...

02:19:26 BingoBoingo: Maybe I should have brought a machete to demonstrate?

02:19:52 asciilifeform: all the big d.c. protests are theatrical productions

02:19:58 asciilifeform: of approximately the same people

02:20:08 asciilifeform: (quite often, literally the same.)

02:20:10 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> heavy on the marx and engels

02:20:19 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_United_Front

02:20:20 assbot: Revolutionary United Front - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:20:26 asciilifeform: they even bring the same props (e.g. a gigantic green papier machet muppet) to every one

02:20:44 BingoBoingo: Local one there was... A tent

02:20:46 decimation: and your anti-nsa bus or whatever

02:21:16 asciilifeform: decimation: that one, if its inhabitant is to be believed, can be found near the museum of natural history every monday night.

02:21:46 decimation: there's also the bum who protests something nuclear camped in front of the white house

02:21:53 asciilifeform: i thought he died this year

02:21:59 decimation: since DC is run by aging hippies, that's how they like it

02:22:03 asciilifeform: his... 32st?

02:22:11 decimation: I haven't been around in awhile, could be the case

02:23:04 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/chesterlampkin/status/499740599474335744

02:23:05 assbot: /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash RT /DonGallowayKSDK: Trapped in news car, flash bombs, tear gas everywhere.. http://t.co/ScTiI85ZNf

02:24:48 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol aite ima work something out.

02:25:26 decimation: this Ferguson thing is trying to be a theater but no one knows the script

02:25:28 RagnarDanneskjol: ok

02:26:26 RagnarDanneskjol: speaking of - I've been on that Jason guy to commit to timeframe - sounds wishywashy so I'm gonna find a few backups and just send them the log so you dont have to repeat everything

02:27:47 *: BingoBoingo tries to follow StL county drama through this lens http://fraudsters.com/2014/gotta-love-that-negro-speak/

02:27:48 assbot: Gotta love that negro speak pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:29:33 BingoBoingo: "The entrepreneurial spirit is not dead. For it ain?t ever dyin?, that?s why. And also fuck you, Mr. Obama, because if he paints that forest he motherfucking made that forest. (If he eats those pizzas he even more fucking definitely made that forest. It needs dung you know ?)"

02:29:57 BingoBoingo: ^ Quote from the most underrated English fraudsters article

02:30:30 BingoBoingo: "Not everyone?s an entrepreneur, either. Some kids, poor kids, ?urban? kids are scholars, in nucet. They may not have my rare and expensive equipment, sure. But whether the BBC does manage to agree that climate pseudo-science should be promoted as ?the only alternative? or not, my hopes rest with a bunch of inner city negroes. No matter what, these kids will still carry through the world the ability to reason, and that

02:30:30 BingoBoingo: ?s quite good enough for me. Fuck the instruments, as great as they are : they?ll make their own, and it?ll be the same anyway, because there?s exactly one way to make a great piece of lab equipment. The alternatives are only there to confound the issues. See, teh BBC got it right after all >D"

02:33:23 mircea_popescu: <trixisowned> wow wtf they are firing on the houses << lol famous last words

02:34:38 mircea_popescu: <decimation> this goes to my earlier point about a split in the Dem. party. it's not like the usg elite overlords act in their interest << markov chains have no self interest.

02:35:26 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'occupy' - sucked << that's because they don;'t know how to protest.

02:35:30 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> <decimation> this goes to my earlier point about a split in the Dem. party. it's not like the usg elite overlords act in their interest << markov chains have no self interest. << Vexual seems to

02:35:33 mircea_popescu: ;;google cum se protesteaza corect

02:35:33 gribble: Ianuarie 2012 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2012/01; Iunie 2010 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2010/06; Asociatia Pro Democratia | Facebook: https://ro-ro.facebook.com/ProDemocratia

02:36:12 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/cum-se-protesteaza-corect/ << nudity required for protest to count.

02:36:13 assbot: Cum se protesteaza corect pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:38:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o hey, i was reading the quotes and went who the fuck is this, scary smart.

02:38:14 mircea_popescu: then i saw the link. go me.

02:38:57 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: lol, there's a read between the lines situation in posting those now

02:44:02 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell nubbins' fap to this http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2014/08/12/the_sec_s_antimodern_logo_evokes_southern_tradition_authenticity.html

02:44:02 assbot: The SEC's anti-modern logo evokes Southern tradition, authenticity.

02:44:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:45:12 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/statuses/499714719318835201

02:45:13 assbot: Twitter / mattdpearce: I just called Ferguson police ...

02:45:24 BingoBoingo: I just called Ferguson police chief to ask about @WesleyLowery and @ryanjreilly, told him what I knew. His response: "Oh, God."

02:47:13 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/john_dingell/statuses/491586961392816128

02:47:15 assbot: Twitter / john_dingell: Staff has now informed me of ...

02:47:29 BingoBoingo: John Dingell ✔ @john_dingell

02:47:30 BingoBoingo: Follow

02:47:30 BingoBoingo: Staff has now informed me of what a Kardashian is. I'm only left with more questions.

02:52:17 BingoBoingo: !up dpb_reddit

02:52:22 BingoBoingo: Hello dpb_reddit

02:52:35 BingoBoingo: What brings you here today dpb_reddit?

02:52:50 dpb_reddit: !up

02:53:03 dpb_reddit: dreamstring

02:53:16 BingoBoingo: dpb_reddit: It's cool you have voice now. What is dreamstring?

02:53:29 dpb_reddit: Oh my bad!

02:53:31 dpb_reddit: thanks!

02:53:50 dpb_reddit: How would I go about changing my nick/signing up?

02:55:40 trixisowned: http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/national/post-reporter-detained-in-ferguson/2014/08/13/b0fc5720-2354-11e4-8b10-7db129976abb_video.html

02:55:41 assbot: Post&apos;s Lowery detained in Ferguson - The Washington Post

02:55:42 trixisowned: omfg

02:56:24 RagnarDanneskjol: @ dpb_reddit http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

02:56:24 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

02:57:18 dpb_reddit: ty ragnar doing that now

02:57:27 kakobrekla: and dont register 'dpb_reddit'

02:58:11 dpb_reddit: ofc not haha

03:01:00 BingoBoingo: !up dpb_reddit

03:01:13 BingoBoingo: dpb_reddit: Which post in particular brought you here?

03:01:27 dpb_reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Jobs4Bitcoins/comments/2dhehr/hiring_developers_for_serious_bitcoin_startup/

03:01:27 assbot: [HIRING] Developers for Serious Bitcoin Startup : Jobs4Bitcoins

03:01:30 dpb_reddit: this one here

03:01:46 dpb_reddit: only cause i am starting my own bitcoin related company

03:01:57 dpb_reddit: looking for devs to move through seed round

03:02:21 BingoBoingo: dpb_reddit: At least you haven't wished "Best candida" on us yet like one of your predecessors with that name did.

03:03:02 dpb_reddit: that is only slightly terrfiying

03:04:41 BingoBoingo: Sounds incredibly itchy

03:05:10 BingoBoingo: dpb_reddit: Well, since someone linked you instructions...

03:05:15 BingoBoingo: !down dpb_reddit

03:06:15 BingoBoingo: http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/13/ferguson-protests-fourth-night-tear-gas/14037883/

03:06:15 assbot: Police use tear gas to break up Ferguson crowd

03:08:19 BingoBoingo: Imma hypothesize that few things introduce people to each other and unite communities as effectively as teargas.

03:12:12 trixisowned: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu970VfCEAAZdvD.jpg

03:13:13 trixisowned: wtf

03:13:22 trixisowned: some guy just speed through

03:13:24 trixisowned: the crowd

03:13:29 trixisowned: and was honking his horn

03:13:31 trixisowned: wtf

03:14:13 trixisowned: ahahaha

03:14:15 trixisowned: alex jones

03:14:17 trixisowned: is giving up

03:14:28 trixisowned: oops

03:14:31 trixisowned: sorry dudes wrong channel

03:16:09 decimation: I would like to know how the democratic police think that distributing cs gas randomly around the town is going to effective at accomplishing anything

03:17:43 trixisowned: The police are now retreating near the QuickTrip as sounds of gun shots fill the air. I'm not sure what is coming but police are screaming

03:23:49 assbot: dpb_reddit +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

03:26:45 BingoBoingo: !up dreamstring

03:26:52 BingoBoingo: !up KRS-1

03:27:26 dreamstring: appreciated bingo!

03:31:24 trixisowned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720_l3dgbYA

03:31:24 assbot: Al-Jazeera runs from teargas in Ferguson - YouTube

03:31:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 1185 @ 0.0006328 = 0.7499 BTC [-] {2}

03:31:26 trixisowned: holy fuck

03:32:21 dreamstring: While I have a voice, I'd like to put out for any developers interested in a possible position in a start up based around creating a mobile mining oriented cryptocurrency. The company is the Dreamstring platform, aiming to create a crypto that distributes supply and time using the fibonacci, as well as creating an equal distribution to each cellular phone user to download the mobile application.

03:33:09 dreamstring: The app aims to distribute the currency to each person to download the free app equally, as well as offer different teirs/levels of accounts for shopping, buying/selling, and trading goods and services.

03:33:22 BingoBoingo: dreamstring: See http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/854859070616151112.jpg

03:33:32 BingoBoingo: Lower left corner

03:33:44 dreamstring: oh no

03:33:53 dreamstring: im getting trolled arent i.

03:35:29 BingoBoingo: dreamstring: nah, the red stuff is whale shit, not menstral painting

03:36:46 dreamstring: damn man im all about that shark week but idk what this is getting at

03:38:15 BingoBoingo: dreamstring: Well, what makes "mobile mining" special and desirable?

03:39:16 dreamstring: Nothing besides the fact that by using a PoW/PoS hybrid you can group people into different teir groups based on their cell phones to make sure everyone is getting the same distribution of the currency.

03:39:37 dreamstring: in theory the hashrate doesnt mean anything besides securing from a 51% and determining who contributed what amount of work

03:39:44 BingoBoingo: And what does that offer anyone who has money that could give such a currency value?

03:39:52 dreamstring: but that still ads to the rich get richer kinda aspect bitcoin is fighting against

03:40:04 dreamstring: a deflationary currency

03:40:28 dreamstring: and a global decentralized trading platform on every phone through a centralized security outlet

03:41:23 dreamstring: it creates a whole new market really

03:41:35 dreamstring: introduce peolpe in india/kenya/africa that use MPESA rn

03:41:41 BingoBoingo: <dreamstring> but that still ads to the rich get richer kinda aspect bitcoin is fighting against << Who said this is a part of Bitcoin, Bitcoin fights the stupid getting richer...

03:41:42 dreamstring: to an even market with people in the US

03:42:11 dreamstring: my bad poor wording

03:42:27 dreamstring: in the sense that those with money can afford more asics can afford to make more

03:42:32 dreamstring: expotential profit

03:42:40 dreamstring: this allows everyone to start off on an even note

03:43:13 dreamstring: and then based on how you use your money that you are distributed, well the smart use it well/open their own stores on the market, the poor just get paid for having a phone

03:43:22 BingoBoingo: What about people with money who don't want "smart" phones?

03:43:59 BingoBoingo: And what about people who make VM farms spoofing millions of "mobile devices?"

03:44:05 BingoBoingo: !down dreamstring

03:44:45 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe you were right about voicing the reddit referrals...

03:45:05 kakobrekla: !up dreamstring

03:45:08 kakobrekla: are you here to learn?

03:45:17 dreamstring: people who dont want smart phones are living in the past, why should the btc community care about them anyway, and the VM farming i already created a verifciation system that needs a hardware id and device verification to use

03:45:27 dreamstring: ty kakbo

03:45:47 kakobrekla: answer the q?

03:45:51 dreamstring: im not trying to argue, i think i have a very valid plan of attack

03:46:04 dreamstring: and was there something i left unanswered?

03:46:40 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla> are you here to learn? << This dreamstring

03:46:46 kakobrekla: myea

03:46:51 dreamstring: the reality is everyone has a smart phone, thats how the gov wants it. well use that and give everyone a smart phone a new start to a currency connected to everyone with a smart phone... which is everyone in the world.

03:46:52 kakobrekla: !down dreamstring

03:47:07 kakobrekla: go dream away.

03:47:59 BingoBoingo: <dreamstring> the reality is everyone has a smart phone, thats how the gov wants it. well use that and give everyone a smart phone a new start to a currency connected to everyone with a smart phone... which is everyone in the world. << I haven't had one in years

03:48:27 BingoBoingo: <dreamstring> umad << Why would I be mad?

03:48:35 kakobrekla: up him if you intend to have a convo btw.

03:49:53 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I tried but he seemed more interested in polishing bullet points.

03:50:12 kakobrekla: i guess the real question is - they have a logo yet?

03:50:22 BingoBoingo: ;;google dreamstrings

03:50:23 gribble: Requiem for a Dream (Strings) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clvSQc0bNC0; "Angels Watch Us While We're Sleeping-A Dream"...strings, choral ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Xb_Ok4GXE; Kalafina - I have a dream(strings version) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DUYq5Mn-D4

03:50:45 BingoBoingo: ;;google dreamstrings mobile mined shitcoin

03:50:45 gribble: No matches found.

03:53:46 mike_c: did somebody hang a sign somewhere saying b-a is looking for work?

03:54:23 kakobrekla: heh

04:01:47 BingoBoingo: ;;google theymos scammer tag

04:01:48 gribble: [CLOSED] GLBSE drama - Bitcoin Forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117235.0; Scammer tag : Nefario, theymos, others known and unknown - fraudsters: http://fraudsters.com/scammer-tag-nefario-theymos-others-known-and-unknown; AMA Request: The most powerful man in bitcoin, Theymos. | The ...: http://thebitcoinnews.co.uk/2013/05/02/ama-request-the-most-powerful-man-in- (1 more message)

04:03:04 TheNewDeal: oooo this looks good

04:05:04 BingoBoingo: %t

04:05:05 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 225 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 152k High: 195 Low: 188 VWAP: 192

04:05:21 BingoBoingo: %d

04:05:24 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 186726.40 in 1990 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.06

04:06:37 BingoBoingo: !up dreamstring

04:06:56 dreamstring: Alright im ready to have my ass handed to me

04:07:11 dreamstring: im on the defense on you shooting down the altcoin

04:07:42 BingoBoingo: dreamstring: Just admit you were woefully under prepared and you are gong to actually read.

04:08:54 dreamstring: Oh that was a sad sad attempt at what I thought would be a two second plug

04:09:59 dreamstring: I'll be much more willing to discuss the details of what i have planned once i know how this place operates though, thanks.

04:11:27 BingoBoingo: dreamstring: I'm kind of expecting that if you read you can have a few thousand words on why it was broken

04:11:32 BingoBoingo: !s ATC

04:11:32 assbot: 924 results for 'ATC' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ATC

04:12:15 dreamstring: Just through the logs bash?

04:12:33 BingoBoingo: ;;topic

04:12:34 gribble: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com

04:13:02 BingoBoingo: dreamstring: blogs and bash are a quicker primer, logs take a while

04:13:17 BingoBoingo: !s litecoin experiment

04:13:18 assbot: 1 results for 'litecoin experiment' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=litecoin+experiment

04:15:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Imma hypothesize that few things introduce people to each other and unite communities as effectively as teargas. <<< candida, actually :D

04:15:49 dreamstring: word, thanks for the reads. Im gonna cash out for the night while i delve into some of theses. thanks guys.

04:16:54 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: lol

04:20:28 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ << 162 confirmed bets. a rrrrrrecord.

04:20:28 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (86%) on Yes, 186.56 B (14%) on No | closing in 6 months 4 days | weight: 55`100 (100`000 to 1)

04:26:08 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Which part is the record in this case?

04:29:06 mike_c: ;;calc (199609 / [ticker --last]) - 314.6

04:29:08 gribble: 56.5377200974

04:29:21 mike_c: woohoo warren. running like a man in his 70's.

04:29:47 mircea_popescu: !up laurita

04:29:58 mircea_popescu: mike_c got a solid 20% there.

04:30:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo iirc it was like 87 or so

04:30:19 mike_c: he's killing it. we'll see if he can keep it up.

04:30:52 mircea_popescu: he was underwater by abou 10% at some point there

04:31:02 mike_c: he hadn't heard about the bet yet

04:31:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, remember all the knowitalls that explained how unfair a bet it was, right then ? because OBIVOUSLY etc.

04:31:31 mike_c: ^ the story of all interesting bitbets

04:31:55 mircea_popescu: peepz just got this irresistible impulse to believe they know shit.

04:32:08 mircea_popescu: a btw mike_c : http://fraudsters.com/2014/petameta/

04:32:09 assbot: PetaMeta pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

04:32:33 mike_c: I saw :) i disagree with a couple points, but a counter-rebuttal.. too meta

04:36:49 TheNewDeal: this thread is goldem

04:37:02 mike_c: mencken has some interesting quotes, doesn't he.

04:37:19 TheNewDeal: love how many dumbasses / psuedonyms thermos exposed to back himself

04:38:23 mike_c: lol fluffypony. you don't get to accept! assbot rates who assbot wants.

04:38:56 BingoBoingo: ;;seen penguirker

04:38:57 gribble: penguirker was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 hours, 42 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <penguirker> New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-refund-date-updated-08132014/

04:39:07 BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/13/record-large-public-bitcoin-bet-reached/

04:39:08 assbot: Record Large Public Bitcoin Bet Reached | Bingo Blog

04:39:13 mike_c: i was too lazy to look. did anybody get kicked out of assbot L1?

04:40:23 BingoBoingo: mike_c: dexx7, danielpbarron, checkdavid

04:41:40 mike_c: ah. 30 people right now. i wonder what the right # is.

04:42:20 BingoBoingo: Prolly between 2 and 78

04:42:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/13/record-large-public-bitcoin-bet-reached/

04:42:31 BingoBoingo: 150 would definitely be too many

04:46:23 BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`

05:02:23 BingoBoingo: !up dpb_reddit

05:02:34 BingoBoingo: !Up RagnarsBitch

05:06:37 assbot: kyuupichann +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

05:09:57 assbot: kyuupichan +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

05:12:45 assbot: kyuupichan +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

05:13:33 dub: !up kyuupichan

05:13:52 kyuupichan: dub: tq

05:14:30 TheNewDeal: bitcoin is not against rich getting richer

05:39:38 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/TefPoe Alderman arrested in Ferguson

05:39:39 assbot: Tef Poe/FootKlan (TefPoe) auf Twitter

05:54:27 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> make a connection. << http://survantjames.com does objective-c whatever, provided you're willing to pay fiat objective-c rates for people who actually know what they're doing.

05:54:28 assbot: Survant James - Design & Engineering

05:58:42 FabianB: $mpexstatus

05:58:44 empyex: FabianB: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91

05:58:49 empyex: FabianB: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (884 milliseconds), mpex.bz (1177 milliseconds), mpex.co (error), mpex.biz (787 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (929 milliseconds)

06:18:45 ben_vulpes: mpex.cpanel (error)

06:44:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nope. i'm willing to pay a pittance to take over code already written and not making a penny.

06:49:30 BingoBoingo: !up m4rCsi

06:50:14 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Prolly between 2 and 78 << hopefully 200ish

06:51:06 BingoBoingo: In time

06:56:25 BingoBoingo: Oh, I went from having under 10k Meat in merchandise in my mall store to...

06:57:37 BingoBoingo: Approaching 50% of danielpbarron's marketcap for his BTC/MEAT asset in just shit from years ago

06:59:39 danielpbarron: :O

07:06:13 BingoBoingo: !up Anon29486307___

07:06:17 BingoBoingo: Hello Anon29486307___

07:35:34 RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - I have my bot dev on the other line - he is reading the logs right now. This guy runs the bot for my room. lemme know if you're around to chat it up w/ him

07:36:17 RagnarDanneskjol: thats him

07:36:44 RagnarDanneskjol: dunno if he's around Molo, hang in for a bit

07:37:16 BingoBoingo: !up MolokoDeck

07:37:22 RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea

07:37:28 MolokoDeck: hello, ragnar

07:37:40 RagnarDanneskjol: ahoy

07:38:39 MolokoDeck: so, I'm still reviewing the bitcoin-assets log related to a bot project involving posting and cryptosigning cryptodocuments.. or something to that effect.

07:40:35 MolokoDeck: ok. so it handles both pre-encrypted and plaintext documents.

07:41:19 MolokoDeck: authentication test from a single-point trusted registry.

07:42:22 MolokoDeck: insertion of validation hash onto the bitcoin block chain with a transaction: requires use of the bitcoind API or connection to the bitcoin mining network.

07:43:01 BigBitz: mircea_popescu I like LastPass, actually :)

07:43:08 MolokoDeck: also requires the bot to have a wallet.

07:43:31 RagnarDanneskjol: nothing to do with inserting hash to bitcoin

07:43:53 MolokoDeck: am I reading the same thing you are?

07:43:55 RagnarDanneskjol: and not necessarily running bitcoind / wallet. i will let mircea elaborate

07:44:01 RagnarDanneskjol: yes

07:44:06 MolokoDeck: "2. all the valid deeds received in a specified interval, say 512 seconds, are appended together, hashed, and the resulting hash is inserted into a bitcoin transaction, which becomes part of the bitcoin blocchain."

07:44:12 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol more or less.

07:44:33 mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck hey there.

07:44:44 MolokoDeck: only the validating hash goes on the blockchain, not the entire block of documents, I take it?

07:44:49 MolokoDeck: hello.

07:45:03 mircea_popescu: yes, only the hash.

07:46:01 MolokoDeck: the bot has to buffer state and monitor for validations, which could take tens of minutes, then inform the irc channel, and update the central web logs for public notice.

07:46:37 BigBitz: mircea_popescu you're trying to create some new bot? what purpose?

07:46:49 mircea_popescu: tis in teh logs.

07:46:54 MolokoDeck: automated contract notarization I would think.

07:47:04 mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck validations of what ?

07:47:10 MolokoDeck: or something entirely general purpose.

07:47:25 BigBitz: mircea_popescu you know I am lazy. :(

07:47:29 RagnarDanneskjol: bigbitz http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#789365

07:47:29 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

07:47:39 BigBitz: thanks RagnarDanneskjol.

07:48:31 MolokoDeck: the block of documents gets cryptosigned with a hash of the documents inside. That hash gets sent to the blockchain. The other validation (initial validation) is of the cryptosignature on each document. The documents have to be legit before they go into the bundle that get's logged and recorded permenently as a hash on the blockchain.

07:48:46 MolokoDeck: so I overloade the term "validate".

07:48:49 MolokoDeck: overloaded.

07:49:23 MolokoDeck: the blockchain is being used to make an immutable public record of the authenticating hash of the document bundle being published.

07:51:03 MolokoDeck: since the hash is inserted as a comment in the blockchain, I think one might be able to create bogus blocks that have the same has by inserting a salt and mining a single hash here.

07:51:06 MolokoDeck: lemme think about that.

07:51:34 MolokoDeck: you can't change the hash, but you could make any block match the hash, possibly, if you had enough mining time.

07:52:46 BigBitz: Negative.

07:52:53 MolokoDeck: it wouldn't be on the central trusted registry though, but that may not be entirely secure. or someone would have to check an document the recieved by another channel against the central registry or website.

07:53:00 BigBitz: the nonce, at best, you could influence.

07:53:01 MolokoDeck: ok. am I clueless?

07:53:07 BigBitz: the block hash you cannot influence (AFAIK)

07:53:20 MolokoDeck: right, you'd dither the nonce until you got some other block to match the hash.

07:53:31 BigBitz: heh, I may be clueless, but I don't think a miner can influence the hash value of the clock.

07:53:33 MolokoDeck: oh nevermind. It would have to match the ENTIRE hash. megayears. ok. i get it.

07:53:34 BigBitz: err block.

07:53:39 BigBitz: Yup - correct.

07:53:46 BigBitz: If they had some quantums, maybe :P

07:54:47 MolokoDeck: I'm not sure there's a quantum algorith for SHA256 that's particularly leveraged, but there are supposedly turing-complete quantum gate computers that could accellerate that. Let's not go into that.

07:55:00 MolokoDeck: those don't exist yet at any meaningful scale.

07:55:09 BingoBoingo: lol, There was an optical computing conversation this week...

07:55:27 MolokoDeck: whatever happened to that optical matrix multiplcation chip?

07:55:35 MolokoDeck: ok. getting distracted.

07:55:38 BigBitz: :)

07:55:42 MolokoDeck: hi.

07:55:58 BigBitz: hey.

07:56:07 BigBitz: I just you.

07:56:09 BigBitz: and this is crazy.

07:56:11 BigBitz: but here's my number.

07:56:15 BigBitz: so call me maybe?

07:57:36 mircea_popescu: <MolokoDeck> right, you'd dither the nonce until you got some other block to match the hash. << the nonce isn't actually large enough

07:57:39 BingoBoingo: I just met you, this is crazy. Here's my weiner. So blow me baby.

07:57:44 MolokoDeck: doable in php or python. php has a fairly bad reputation in cryptocurrency lately. And in computer science for different reasons (you can't predict the outcome of certain operations).

07:57:45 mircea_popescu: you'd need a nonce as large as the keyspace of the hash

07:57:58 MolokoDeck: also in php one would either have to use a package or use system calls to do the encryption.

07:58:03 MolokoDeck: I've done it that way.

07:58:39 MolokoDeck: I was wondering about that. I'm not clear on how much influence a nonce has on hash outcomes. so that explains that question.

07:58:55 BigBitz: none is only 32 bit field.

07:59:18 BigBitz: nonce. man. my typing is getting bad in my older years.

07:59:30 MolokoDeck: I was considering just adding an arbirary number of bits to the bogus message.

08:00:11 MolokoDeck: anyway, I think you've settled my question about the feasibility/non-feasibility of spoofing a single hash.

08:01:09 MolokoDeck: the security of the bot sending something via bitcoin api ... still thinking about that.

08:02:12 MolokoDeck: is this for everyone in the world to use, or only for a select community of presumable trusted parties?

08:02:24 MolokoDeck: obviously they'd have to be registered with wot.

08:02:38 RagnarDanneskjol: or just each other

08:02:48 BingoBoingo: MolokoDeck: If you have a good source of entropy for nonces, electrum has a nice CLI, this thing prolly ought to be connected to a private electrum server though if going for that over bitcoind

08:02:53 MolokoDeck: looking at a case where anyone can put a hash on the blockchain and present a document block with that hash.

08:03:35 mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck to validate a hash has to be signed by someone in assbot's l2

08:04:08 mircea_popescu: meh,. a message not a hash

08:05:28 MolokoDeck: sure, a non-mining/non-blockchain-manitaining client.

08:05:33 MolokoDeck: typos.

08:06:22 RagnarDanneskjol: reading for later: http://bh.ht.vc/vhost_confusion.pdf - vhost exploits, sorry pdf only

08:06:57 MolokoDeck: ok. not sure what my timeframe to completion on this would be presuming I would be doing it. My development resources are limited right now (one virtual host)

08:07:17 RagnarDanneskjol: I got server space coming outta my ears

08:07:28 RagnarDanneskjol: all those half finished projects

08:07:30 MolokoDeck: ok. that's solved.

08:07:37 MolokoDeck: heh. I know the feeling.

08:08:19 RagnarDanneskjol: !up MolokoDeck

08:09:17 mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck there's no rush.

08:09:32 mircea_popescu: and yeah, we have ~ one trillion boxes.

08:10:19 MolokoDeck: ok. my feeling about it now is doable. timescale more than a few weeks, adjustment of code until everyone's satsified, then some committment to maintain or modify it if desirable.

08:10:31 []bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1006/ Odds: 64(Y):36(N) by coin, 60(Y):40(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.597 BTC. Current weight: 72,617.

08:10:37 MolokoDeck: let me look into it.

08:10:41 BigBitz: which market does that use, mircea_popescu?

08:10:46 BigBitz: as Bitfinex hit sub 500.

08:11:05 BigBitz: Ah uses Bitstamp.

08:11:09 *: BigBitz stops being lazy and looks.

08:11:11 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

08:11:12 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 509.91, Best ask: 509.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 510.0, 24 hour volume: 29402.57027823, 24 hour low: 508.12, 24 hour high: 562.04, 24 hour vwap: 538.760662926

08:11:28 RagnarDanneskjol: Molo, please try to work on it some this weekend... I am actively recruiting until it gets done- first to finish line wins

08:11:39 MolokoDeck: testing the bottom at 480-whatever seems reasonable.

08:11:43 mircea_popescu: BigBitz nfi.

08:11:53 RagnarDanneskjol: ;;rate MolokoDeck 2 bot wizard, smart alec

08:11:53 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

08:12:00 MolokoDeck: ok, I'm not a big fan of races and bounties, but understood.

08:12:00 RagnarDanneskjol: doof

08:12:11 BigBitz: :_

08:12:16 MolokoDeck: you should keep looking.

08:12:26 mircea_popescu: srsly, it's not a huge rush, it's been waiting for the proper maker/maintainer for monthgs,.

08:13:07 MolokoDeck: I'll stay in touch with ragnar about this.

08:13:25 RagnarDanneskjol: gratzi, love ye man

08:13:48 BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/

08:13:48 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (86%) on Yes, 186.56 B (14%) on No | closing in 6 months 4 days | weight: 55`052 (100`000 to 1)

08:15:43 mircea_popescu: if anyone cares, ultima forever is closing august 29th. http://forums.ultimaforever.com/index.php?topic=867.0

08:15:44 assbot: Important Sunset Announcement

08:17:08 mircea_popescu: 14 months is what a forever takes these days

08:17:42 RagnarDanneskjol: heh

08:19:40 cazalla: was it any good?

08:21:43 RagnarDanneskjol: thats what she said

08:24:11 RagnarDanneskjol: http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA597771 please consider whatever trojan horsery might be hiding is pdf from this source. looks safe to be, but what do I know

08:25:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28051001 = 0.561 BTC [+]

08:25:21 mircea_popescu: ultima ? well... like a ultima i imagine.,

08:25:54 cazalla: so pk fest

08:26:16 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/LRQOrEX.jpg

08:36:21 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/08/woman-allegedly-steals-phone-calls-911-because-victim-was-harassing-her/

08:36:22 assbot: Alleged phone thief calls 911 because victim wont leave her alone | Ars Technica

08:37:47 RagnarDanneskjol: taken to King County Jail for investigation of robbery as well as for allegedly possessing three grams of crack

08:37:53 RagnarDanneskjol: makes sense now

08:54:15 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1006/ Odds: 80(Y):20(N) by coin, 76(Y):24(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.597 BTC. Current weight: 72,569.

08:59:16 RagnarDanneskjol: btc @ 499 on btce, good times

09:02:11 wyrdmantis: ;;last

09:02:11 gribble: [04:59:08] <RagnarDanneskjol> btc @ 499 on btce, good times

09:05:13 wyrdmantis: ;;ticker

09:05:14 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 511.26, Best ask: 511.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.54000, Last trade: 511.8, 24 hour volume: 30566.58153234, 24 hour low: 506.66, 24 hour high: 558.0, 24 hour vwap: 537.336702671

09:06:22 wyrdmantis: http://coinfinance.com/news/creating-the-largest-highest-density-bitcoin-community-in-the-world

09:06:23 assbot: Creating The Largest, Highest-Density Bitcoin Community In The World

09:06:57 wyrdmantis: wow such marketing

09:11:07 RagnarDanneskjol: sounds uncomfortable, like this: http://static.messynessychic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/kowlooncity.jpg

09:13:23 RagnarDanneskjol: hadn't seen this one before: http://www.btcbeauties.com/

09:13:24 assbot: bitcoin-beauties-

09:13:27 []bot: Bet placed: 1.00089999 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1006/ Odds: 81(Y):19(N) by coin, 78(Y):22(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.5979 BTC. Current weight: 72,548.

09:15:29 xmj: http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/konjunktur/nachrichten/neue-bip-berechnung-guten-morgen-wir-sind-reicher-seite-all/10329916-all.html

09:15:29 assbot: Neue BIP-Berechnung: Guten Morgen, wir sind reicher! - Konjunktur - Politik - Handelsblatt

09:15:53 mircea_popescu: looking into the source page... lol.

09:15:57 xmj: this is how you make yourself EUR 80 bln richer, overnight: just include black market transactions in government GDP.

09:15:58 RagnarDanneskjol: rough looking chicks in there

09:17:11 xmj: meh

09:51:28 pankkake: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/08/new_snowden_int.html

09:51:29 assbot: Schneier on Security: New Snowden Interview in Wired

11:45:56 []bot: Bet placed: 1.14323086 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1006/ Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 80(Y):20(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.13927827 BTC. Current weight: 72,380.

11:56:22 chetty: Goooood Morning B-A

12:00:42 RagnarDanneskjol: howdy

12:00:50 pankkake: !up drawingthesun

12:00:53 pankkake: !up CoalPowerGorilla

12:01:08 jurov: afternoon

12:01:34 jurov: almost every time i do something with hardware, there is blood

12:01:38 jurov: yuck

12:02:30 pankkake: :o never got to that point, though I often hurt

12:02:50 drawingthesun: Hey

12:04:19 RagnarDanneskjol: I'm on the other end, everytime I do something with software, there is blood and gnashing of teeth

12:05:53 jurov: literal blood?

12:06:40 RagnarDanneskjol: sometimes

12:06:56 RagnarDanneskjol: fists against monitor and such

12:09:50 jurov: unless you still use CRTs you must be pretty feeble creatures

12:12:12 RagnarDanneskjol: Yes, I still rock a CRT 2nd screen for nostalgia & to help accelerate global warming

12:23:16 Duffer1: appendectomy

12:23:34 Duffer1: stomach is a basketball

12:23:37 Duffer1: it's good to be home

12:25:42 chetty: Duffer1, ouch, wb, get well

12:25:56 Duffer1: oh thanks chetty :)

12:26:43 chetty: !up wyrdmantis

12:27:58 wyrdmantis: thanks chetty, i can voice myself now

12:29:30 chetty: cool, grats wyrdmantis

12:34:16 wyrdmantis: ;;seen punkman

12:34:16 gribble: punkman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 45 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <punkman> you wash some of your own btc, jerk some puppets, the muppets won't be able to resist

12:50:37 wywialm: hi

12:52:00 wyrdmantis: hi wywialm

12:52:21 wywialm: hi wyrdmantis

12:53:18 wyrdmantis: ;;gettrust wyrdmantis

12:53:19 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask wyrdmantis!570281e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user wyrdmantis to user wyrdmantis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=wyrdmantis&dest=wyrdmantis | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wyrdmantis | Rated since: Mon Aug 11 07:05:19 2014

12:57:26 pankkake: http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/08/14/short-term-update-genuine-crash-at-bitfinex-or-an-orchestrated-manipulation/

12:57:27 assbot: Short Term Update: genuine crash at bitfinex or an orchestrated manipulation? | Bitcoin Trading Signals

12:58:40 wyrdmantis: so this bitcoin empire we must obey :)

13:01:59 wyrdmantis: "I see manipulation" <<<--- seems legit

13:13:25 wyrdmantis: seems that i have to learn doing something useful for the WoT. I think what i know is not enough. I'm thinking to open a blog in Italian about my first steps in b-a, so people in italy can understand what is happening. Do you think it's a good idea?

13:22:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1158 @ 0.00175135 = 2.0281 BTC [-] {7}

13:28:21 chetty: blogs are always a good idea

13:30:17 mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis well, maybe, but if them people don't speak english they'll have a hard time understanding.

13:31:08 mircea_popescu: Enky doesn't that look suspiciously like http://fraudsters.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/ ?

13:31:09 assbot: Icbit.se, the bucket shop pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:33:33 wyrdmantis: mircea_popescu yeah it will be just a translation service

13:34:16 mircea_popescu: Io parlo italiano :)

13:41:06 wyrdmantis: mircea_popescu pizza spaghetti & mandolino!

13:41:59 mircea_popescu: no, en serio.

13:42:27 wyrdmantis: ottimo allora mi capisci :)

13:42:39 mircea_popescu: si.

13:43:23 wyrdmantis: ma non abiti in italia, vero?

13:43:48 mircea_popescu: ora in argentina.

13:51:07 RagnarDanneskjol: Does anyone know how to buy btc on the street in china? resources/directories, etc

13:57:16 wyrdmantis: RagnarDanneskjol no sorry, but would be interesting to know

13:59:57 RagnarDanneskjol: yea - Im sure they have some go-to network that most folks use - All i know of is Bobby Lee. I have a client who needs to pay me a retainer and they are new to all this so need to figure it out for them, show them the ropes, but I got no clue

14:01:59 wyrdmantis: http://reason.com/reasontv/2014/08/12/tech-visionary-george-gilder-bitcoin-is

14:02:01 assbot: Tech Visionary George Gilder: "Bitcoin is the Libertarian Solution to the Money Enigma." - Reason.com

14:02:02 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1006/ Odds: 85(Y):15(N) by coin, 82(Y):18(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.94927827 BTC. Current weight: 72,230.

14:05:57 wyrdmantis: RagnarDanneskjol can't they buy bitcoins on OKcoin?

14:08:43 RagnarDanneskjol: Sure, but I think there are approval times, limits, etc. They want to send me a large retainer fee [10k] like yesterday, and I want to have them to learn it the right way

14:11:27 RagnarDanneskjol: I guess I should be asking this in otc

14:14:49 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/permission-to-steal-everything.html << mega-lol

14:14:49 assbot: ClubOrlov: Permission to Steal Everything

14:19:06 RagnarDanneskjol: HA good lulz, great blog

14:24:07 wyrdmantis: intersting blog, yes, thanks asciilifeform

14:24:35 wywialm: asciilifeform, Orlov seems to be one of the best informed people I read on the Ukrainian affair

14:26:32 wywialm: especially with regard to details

14:27:11 wywialm: on the other hand, he sometimes is pretty one-sided

14:32:38 wyrdmantis: i cant form an opinion but his version sounds more accurate

14:33:11 wyrdmantis: media here in italy are superficial and manipulated

14:34:53 wywialm: true, yet the russian media also add a lot of propaganda and russian population seems to be much more susceptible

14:35:54 wyrdmantis: world is a mess

14:37:03 asciilifeform: can't wait for the west to get carved up into fictional bantustans and the folks who object to be called propagandists.

14:38:13 pankkake: ;;ticker --low

14:38:14 gribble: 497.0

14:40:11 wyrdmantis: asciilifeform are you referring to the immigration problem in europe?

14:40:56 asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: nope. breakup of ussr

14:41:34 asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: and the resulting cluttering of the map with fictional countries having no functioning military, economy, etc.

14:41:42 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/IVmdOIh

14:41:43 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:41:48 asciilifeform: (but plenty of rabid 'patriots')

14:41:54 nubbins`: ^ he shoulda just called this album "totally not on coke", amirite?!?!

14:43:13 jurov: asciilifeform are there ingredients that enable it, like religion/language?

14:43:55 asciilifeform: jurov: sometimes (e.g. kazakhstan) - at other times, a regional dialect was reworked with american help into a constructed 'language' (ukraine)

14:44:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.30297465 = 1.8178 BTC [+] {3}

14:44:33 jurov: well, who'll help the muricans develop their languages?

14:44:40 BigBitz: <$500 settled. good bet.

14:45:28 asciilifeform: who will 'help' the americans, remains to be seen

14:45:36 asciilifeform: (other than the 'four horsemen' naturally)

14:46:13 jurov: you'll certainly find some foreign entity to blame in hindsight, ofc

14:46:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.32896566 = 16.4483 BTC [+] {14}

14:47:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1300 @ 0.00316671 = 4.1167 BTC [+] {11}

14:49:40 penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/14/the-bitcoin-dumping-charade/

14:57:14 wywialm: asciilifeform, what countries do you suspect of being first in the line, apart from baltic & ukraine, as they barely can be classified as 'the west'

15:03:43 jurov: perhaps scotland?

15:05:37 wywialm: yeah, that would be a good shot, a independence + rather leftist political climate

15:08:52 wywialm: but it is relatively off-center. the continental Europe is still very centralist, Russia does not have strength to penetrate it

15:10:55 wywialm: Poland is on the frontier, but any pro-regional tendencies are almost nonexistent. moreover it is a very hard nation to administer and russians when they were stronger did not risk running it on their own

15:16:44 wywialm: jurov, http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/poll-tracker as Scotland remains within UK, the bantustan scenario is more unlikely

15:16:44 assbot: Scottish independence referendum - Poll Tracker - BBC News

15:24:07 TomServo: I'm sure you guys will love this one: http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/08/whats-matter-with-pgp.html

15:24:08 assbot: A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's the matter with PGP?

15:24:19 TomServo: "It's time for PGP to die."

15:26:45 dignork: TomServo: main point if this article, gpg is not friendly enough for the masses. People running running windows, using facebook, posting photos of the ir credit cards on twitter.

15:31:17 pankkake: I follow this blog, but that article was pretty weak

15:32:18 pankkake: you'll never remove the learning curve of security, or you'll just provide bad security

15:32:54 pankkake: and then "the defaults suck" well, ok, but why reinvent the wheel instead of changing them?

15:40:22 dignork: on other hand, this description of TLS nightmare was amazing http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/04/attack-of-week-triple-handshakes-3shake.html

15:40:22 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

15:40:23 assbot: A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Attack of the Week: Triple Handshakes (3Shake)

15:40:41 asciilifeform: re: the pgp piece << classic hatchet job

15:43:30 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/cryptoweather/status/499935320558034944 << le flattery

15:43:31 assbot: The Bitcoin dumping charade, explained: http://t.co/8ktvAWcPqG

15:43:58 pete_dushenski: @cryptoweather: @pete_dushenski that's some bizarre ass language.

15:47:20 []bot: Bet placed: 8 BTC for No on "S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/791/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.24992437 BTC. Current weight: 23,853.

15:59:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 10.62588912 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 924 satoshi per share

16:00:32 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-price-under-500/

16:03:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76657328 BTC to 13`862 shares, 12744 satoshi per share

16:04:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 3.31314540 BTC to 162`012 shares, 2045 satoshi per share

16:08:23 wyrdmantis: https://blog.coinjar.com/2014/05/30/pledge-bitcoin-kill-zombies/

16:08:25 assbot: Pledge Bitcoin, Kill Zombies. | CoinJar Blog

16:08:28 wyrdmantis: lol

16:09:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2001 @ 0.00166775 = 3.3372 BTC [-] {9}

16:16:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 1000 @ 0.00061999 = 0.62 BTC [-]

16:18:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 184 @ 0.006 = 1.104 BTC [-]

16:59:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9469 @ 0.00005299 = 0.5018 BTC [+]

17:13:06 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=739232.0

17:13:07 assbot: World's biggest angel investor is Visa & Mastercard - do you want in?

17:18:43 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

17:18:49 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 520.0, vol: 25543.65927264 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 516.921, vol: 10879.90304 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 515.74, vol: 38948.88757602 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 537.88, vol: 94.37342622 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 510.34425, vol: 9760.91140000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 513.62215, vol: 16.72179682 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 529.254, vol: 135.78570134 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

17:20:14 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

17:20:15 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 518.71, Best ask: 519.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.28000, Last trade: 519.99, 24 hour volume: 25534.83203354, 24 hour low: 497.0, 24 hour high: 555.0, 24 hour vwap: 521.399046324

17:20:30 ben_vulpes: 2014 - lost year?

17:22:00 punkman: pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=739232.0 <- ninja shogun?

17:22:00 assbot: World's biggest angel investor is Visa & Mastercard - do you want in?

17:23:27 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Seems like it now, but... Still a few months left

17:25:18 ben_vulpes: punkman: reads like it.

17:25:33 ben_vulpes: punkman: are you active on the forums? would you post a link to

17:25:46 ben_vulpes: !s ninjashogun cereal

17:25:46 assbot: 2 results for 'ninjashogun cereal' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ninjashogun+cereal

17:26:58 punkman: ben_vulpes: no I don't forum

17:27:13 ben_vulpes: who forums?

17:27:32 punkman: this is the forum anyway

17:38:20 kakobrekla: !s storj

17:38:20 assbot: 2 results for 'storj' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=storj

17:40:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 336 @ 0.001685 = 0.5662 BTC [-] {2}

17:44:37 kakobrekla: ben_vulpes, cant. banned again.

17:45:21 kakobrekla: the third or fourth time. i think i get the message now.

17:46:31 BingoBoingo: I think kako_Number_5 will stick on the forum

17:47:36 kakobrekla: not worth it, my handles dont last 5 posts.

17:48:25 TomServo: Could someone fill in the blanks for me on how the connection between ninjashogun and usg was made? Sounds like an average scammer to me.

17:48:42 asciilifeform: TomServo: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ninjashogun.txt

17:49:20 TomServo: asciilifeform: I think I've read that twice now... I must be too dense to see the connection?

17:49:46 TomServo: Or just the fact he was suggesting to cripple the cardano?

17:50:00 asciilifeform: artfully.

17:50:14 BigBitz: Oh Christ.

17:50:17 BigBitz: ninjashogun.

17:51:21 asciilifeform: he started here as 'robwizz22' and changed handles, as he promised to do in the tail end of ninjashogun.txt

17:51:52 asciilifeform: or was it the other way around

17:52:00 *: asciilifeform can't be bothered to remember

18:32:56 HeySteve: hello. for those who'd like to try out my game, the testnet chapter is up: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736132

18:32:56 assbot: COINAN: The Wrath of BitCrom - Blockchain-Powered Online Gamebook with Gambling

18:36:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 787 @ 0.0028001 = 2.2037 BTC [-]

19:17:53 kdomanski: !up nam-shub

19:18:02 nam-shub: save ferris!

19:19:23 asciilifeform: http://withendemanndom.blogspot.com/2014/07/slavoj-zizek-philosophaster-and_9.html << mega-lol

19:19:23 assbot: Wi Endemanndom

19:38:29 pete_dushenski: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=BRK-A+Interactive#symbol=BRK-A;range=1d << warren cracks $200k

19:38:30 assbot: Berkshire Hathaway Inc. Common Stock Chart | BRK-A Interactive Chart - Yahoo! Finance

19:41:13 kakobrekla: ;;ticker

19:41:15 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 513.73, Best ask: 515.35, Bid-ask spread: 1.62000, Last trade: 515.36, 24 hour volume: 24866.80245369, 24 hour low: 497.0, 24 hour high: 551.86, 24 hour vwap: 520.050303533

19:41:34 HeySteve: KMac, scholarly troll extraordinaire

19:41:45 kakobrekla: ;;calc 202730/520

19:41:45 gribble: 389.865384615

19:47:08 []bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin under $100 before New Year" http://bitbet.us/bet/1023/

19:48:33 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Berkshire Hathaway BRK-B to close at over $135 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/964/ Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 81(Y):19(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.3 BTC. Current weight: 64,982.

19:48:34 []bot: Bet placed: 23 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 670.49826824 BTC. Current weight: 27,204.

19:52:47 kdomanski: http://imgur.com/YzkA0Gy seriously?

19:52:47 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

19:57:09 HeySteve: kdomanski I remember an MP article on that stuff, conclusion being that a unique address is better

19:57:23 kdomanski: I read that one

19:57:58 kdomanski: it's sweet how they linked to a "research article"

19:58:14 kdomanski: "you gotta but this! science says you do!"

19:58:19 HeySteve: yeah I wouldn't pay those domain squatters, they're like lazy thieves

19:58:57 kdomanski: s/but/buy/

19:59:44 HeySteve: I believe they pre-register a lot of commercially desirable names, like for medicines, vehicles and probably other stuff

19:59:55 HeySteve: bullshit leech industry

20:05:55 kdomanski__: goddamn mobile internet

20:06:22 kdomanski__: HeySteve: I read an article once about registrars who preemtively register domains that people check for availability

20:22:03 BingoBoingo: !up wyrdmantis

20:33:49 dignork: http://www.matlabtrading.net/main/2014/08/14/bitfinex-margin-call-cascade-algorithm-explained/

20:33:53 assbot: Bitfinex: cascading margin calls resulting in flash crash - MATLAB TRADING

20:34:04 dignork: probably confusing cause an effect

20:36:00 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

20:36:06 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 515.39, vol: 24860.40283364 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 512.226, vol: 10810.34961 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 512.5, vol: 38798.64924902 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 539.63, vol: 67.88741951 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 508.73875, vol: 10013.49190000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 513.62215, vol: 16.67179682 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 519.898633663, vol: 133.82728489 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

20:44:36 BingoBoingo: %t

20:44:39 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 221 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A

20:45:25 mircea_popescu: 0 volume ? fo reals ?

20:46:06 BingoBoingo: %d

20:46:08 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 187555.13 in 1982 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.01

20:46:29 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Looks like the not unknown post dump standoff

20:46:50 mircea_popescu: so retarded lol

20:47:58 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,diff

20:47:58 gribble: Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.

20:48:19 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

20:48:21 gribble: Current Blocks: 315642 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 869 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 22 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23610240555.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.66885

20:48:55 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 25/19729645940.577133 * 1878190.93

20:48:56 gribble: 0.00237990957321

20:49:07 mircea_popescu: is it 512 atcs per block ?

20:49:15 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00237990957321 / 512

20:49:15 gribble: 4.64826088518e-06

20:49:33 BingoBoingo: Yeah 512 per block

20:49:43 BingoBoingo: %t

20:49:45 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 221 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A

20:49:46 BingoBoingo: %d

20:49:46 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 187555.13 in 1982 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.01

20:49:49 BingoBoingo: %p

20:49:51 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1613.00 GH/s

20:50:28 mircea_popescu: so 0.00000464 or 464 satoshi per atc at current diff, 46 satoshi per atc at next diff.

20:51:52 BingoBoingo: It's amazing really that the stuff trades in the middle of those two extremes

20:51:52 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:51:54 pete_dushenski: http://www.theonion.com/articles/tips-for-being-an-unarmed-black-teen,36697/

20:51:54 assbot: Tips For Being An Unarmed Black Teen | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

20:51:54 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/rabite/status/500017905619443712

20:51:56 assbot: A travel agent just gave me back my money and said that he didnt feel comfortable with booking my flight. No federal interference here!

20:52:23 pete_dushenski: "Try to see it from a police officer’s point of view: You may be unarmed, but you’re also black"

20:53:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo tell him it's probably someone who had invested in his failed keiser-led kickstarter clone thing.

20:53:58 mircea_popescu: "you're a famous failure nao, bitch. deal with it."

20:55:02 BingoBoingo: lol, I'll let him wonder. Some lessons sting more with a few years of hindsight.

20:55:37 mircea_popescu: good to have for when he finally capitulates, 2020 or w/e.

20:55:56 mircea_popescu: ima just go !s "you're a famous failure nao, bitch. deal with it." and all the greybeards will chuckle privately.

20:56:18 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0KQA9ET.txt )

20:56:18 BingoBoingo: !b 5

20:57:19 mircea_popescu: que "i'm such a jerk, and history coming to bite one in the ass is so unfair, and what sort of usg democracy is this where responsibility exists!!1"

20:57:46 mircea_popescu: they were promised irresponsibility without consequence and a shot at megaupside, DANG IT!!!!

20:58:17 mircea_popescu: free lottery tickets and billion dolar jackpots, that's what the american dream is all about!

21:01:42 mircea_popescu: getting back to the atc thing,

21:02:00 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2048 * (188 - 46) / 100000000

21:02:00 gribble: 0.00290816

21:02:28 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2048 * 512 * (188 - 46) / 100000000

21:02:29 gribble: 1.48897792

21:02:59 mircea_popescu: right. so whoever's doing the hopping thing makes about 1k every 4k blocks, which works out to about... 20 weeks or so ?

21:03:31 mircea_popescu: this is less than unemployment benefits, by almost a degree of magnitude.

21:04:23 mircea_popescu: it never ceases to amaze me how cheap people will work for just as long as they're free, or in reverse, how fucking insanely much tyranny has to pay its drone worker.

21:06:00 BingoBoingo: Amazing isn't it

21:06:52 mircea_popescu: in other news, turns out laurina is a major brand on birth control pills.

21:06:59 chetty: well how much would you want to be paid to do drone work?

21:07:04 asciilifeform: how cheap people will work for just as long as they're free << this goes back to what people actually need money for

21:07:11 mircea_popescu: in romanian it sounds like it were "Piss's", if Piss were a restaurant or something

21:07:20 mircea_popescu: "Joe's Diner", "La Joe"

21:07:23 asciilifeform: la urina ?

21:07:27 mircea_popescu: myeah

21:07:32 asciilifeform: therapist/the-rapist

21:08:43 mircea_popescu: also lulzy, http://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/the-bachelor/bachelorettes/laurina

21:08:46 assbot: Laurina - Network Ten

21:09:13 mircea_popescu: "What is your best asset and why? I?m very playful and easy to have fun with."

21:09:17 mircea_popescu: I guess it beats "i trickle"

21:11:06 mircea_popescu: "How are you going to stand out from the other Bachelorettes? Be myself."

21:11:14 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha oh internets...

21:22:15 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol had you reg'd with a gpg address like respectable folk i would now have everything I need to send you an email. wtf am i going to do with a bitcoin address ?

21:22:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:22:45 los_pantalones: mircea_popescu, i think we are going to trade some ether with you

21:22:47 los_pantalones: still interested

21:22:50 los_pantalones: would be small size

21:23:38 los_pantalones: i have to work out the details on our side but i wanted to check you first

21:23:57 mircea_popescu: if you're not going to go into some version of "but why do i have to actually take some risk on, isn't this one of those deals where people just get free resources for being people, like from the government ?"

21:24:05 mircea_popescu: cuz im kinda getting sick of that approach.

21:24:43 los_pantalones: you tell me the terms of how you are interested

21:24:49 los_pantalones: and i'll decide if we are going to trade

21:25:02 mircea_popescu: i made a model, it's been linked a few times, lemme find it

21:25:29 mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea_popescu pastebin

21:25:29 assbot: 30 results for 'from:mircea_popescu pastebin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+pastebin

21:25:29 justusranvier: I heard a theory about Ethereum which I'm not sure has been floated here before.

21:26:01 justusranvier: The theory is it's a laundring operation of the exact form use by politial campain fundraising

21:26:18 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones http://pastebin.com/9NUvgUuS there

21:26:19 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com

21:26:46 justusranvier: The Ether "investors" are the same vendors who are going be paid using the received Bitcoins.

21:26:48 mircea_popescu: but just as long as there's a clear delineation of risk, and you undertake the risk of ethereum not going anywhere, we can prolly hammer something out

21:26:57 los_pantalones: yeah, this is what i had in mind

21:27:13 los_pantalones: i send, i risk today to aug, you deliver ether then

21:27:23 mircea_popescu: justusranvier didja see you got baronized meanwhile btw ?

21:27:56 justusranvier: I did. Thanks. Do I get a castle or something now? Vassals?

21:28:03 los_pantalones: and it would be really small, ~30 something btc

21:28:34 mircea_popescu: justusranvier well you get the ability to permavoice ppls.

21:28:39 los_pantalones: i just signed your gpg too

21:28:51 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones that 30 something btc would not only be the biggest anyone's entertained yet,

21:29:02 mircea_popescu: but it would actually exceed the sum total of ~20 or so different parties.

21:29:07 justusranvier: Useful.

21:29:28 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones well no point in signing it, seeing how it doesn't have your name on it and its past its own expiration clause

21:30:01 los_pantalones: no, i signed your gpg outside of this, got the company i'm working with to start to come around on the idea of everyone having one

21:30:16 los_pantalones: so i thought you were the best place to start

21:30:17 mircea_popescu: oh oh you mean you signed my gpg signature ?

21:30:21 los_pantalones: yes

21:30:29 mircea_popescu: yeah makes sense. and yeah, get the bums in the wot.

21:30:38 los_pantalones: agreed, have to start somewhere

21:30:55 mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe next time they open the books, a baron is you :D

21:30:59 los_pantalones: but i started a new one connected to this company

21:30:59 los_pantalones: ha

21:31:10 los_pantalones: well, not if i'm the biggest fool of the bunch!

21:31:40 mircea_popescu: you know this multisig thing is tempting conceptually, much like multi addresses seem the only way to go.

21:32:00 mircea_popescu: however, in practice, one quickly discovers that value accumulates, and a signature or a btc address is more like a domain name than even a domain name.

21:32:02 BigBitz: mutlisig is nice.

21:32:13 BigBitz: multisig as well.

21:32:28 mircea_popescu: BigBitz i didn't mean the power ranger derpage. i just meant, one having multiple gpg signatures.

21:32:50 BigBitz: subkeys you mean?

21:33:14 los_pantalones: nah, new pubkey

21:33:23 los_pantalones: i have a personal one, attached to my activities outside of work

21:33:31 los_pantalones: and one for work porpoises

21:34:31 mircea_popescu: maybe that's the right way to go and i'm just seeing the particular effects of my very peculiar personality, where i have no problem receiving slut selfies on office@

21:34:54 los_pantalones: i don't technically own the trust i earn working for this company

21:34:59 los_pantalones: i think would be the argument they would make

21:35:00 mircea_popescu: why not ?

21:35:06 mircea_popescu: fuck them lol. of course you do.

21:35:08 mircea_popescu: !up shovel_boss

21:35:14 shovel_boss: much thanks

21:35:16 mircea_popescu: the very point of personal sovereignity is that you do, not they.

21:35:35 shovel_boss: why do i get voice but not the other 200 peoples

21:35:37 los_pantalones: yes yes, but when i'm acting on their behalf am i acting as a sovereign entity?

21:35:41 mircea_popescu: because you're that special.

21:35:46 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones yes. always.

21:35:49 shovel_boss: ohhh noice

21:36:05 mircea_popescu: !up _Crypto

21:36:23 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones in the immortal words of pappy, "and on this issue there can be no debate"

21:36:23 los_pantalones: ok well there are very well defined IP ownership clauses in my contract and i just thought this made sense as a starting point

21:36:40 mircea_popescu: hey, im more into discussing the thing for the intellectual sake of theory

21:36:46 los_pantalones: perhaps i'll merge them as it becomes clearer to me but it seemed like a cheap option to do it this way

21:36:49 mircea_popescu: than anything

21:36:54 mircea_popescu: i can see it.

21:37:07 shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, mate can i post a channel name here

21:37:17 mircea_popescu: you can, but it won't do much

21:37:23 shovel_boss: ok mate

21:37:32 shovel_boss: i do TA(technical analysis, tell you when to buy or sell) on coins, i do it for anyone and any coin.you can join me at #shovel_boss crypto related and un related chat everyone is welcome :)

21:37:48 mircea_popescu: lol vanity chan srsly ?

21:37:49 jurov: lol

21:37:57 pankkake: even #bitcoin-assets isn't named #mircea_popescu

21:37:57 mircea_popescu: they had a ta chan but i don't recall what it was atm

21:38:03 shovel_boss: ahahahah, ok

21:38:09 shovel_boss: i want to rename it sometime soon

21:38:12 mircea_popescu: omg pankzzing

21:38:13 shovel_boss: but people know me from twitter

21:38:18 shovel_boss: so i named it shovel_boss :D

21:39:22 jurov: what is the near term outlook?

21:39:33 jurov: the price will be stable unless it changes?

21:39:51 chetty: to the moon

21:40:53 jurov: it was #bitcoin-anal no?

21:41:08 BingoBoingo: pankkake> even #bitcoin-assets isn't named #mircea_popescu << #Kako_Chat would be a nice name for a channel

21:45:24 mircea_popescu: -ChanServ- #iamaslut is now registered to mircea_popescu.

21:45:34 mircea_popescu: !up RBecker

21:45:40 RBecker: i'm idented :P hi

21:45:50 mircea_popescu: ;;ident RBecker

21:45:50 gribble: Nick 'RBecker', with hostmask 'RBecker!~RBecker@openvpn/user/RBecker', is identified as user 'RBecker', with GPG key id 8B2731A00F23E23F, key fingerprint 2C423D6DAE3CE952191B66EC8B2731A00F23E23F, and bitcoin address 1FgELbRe6ZnRU6xC4PvTXfDozEiAxVNL5P

21:46:03 mircea_popescu: uh who the hell are you ?!

21:46:33 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot RBecker

21:46:33 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask RBecker!~RBecker@openvpn/user/RBecker. Trust relationship from user assbot to user RBecker: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=RBecker | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=RBecker | Rated since: Sat May 7 15:15:25 2011

21:47:19 mircea_popescu: o look at that, old timers so old even mp has nfi.

21:47:58 mircea_popescu: for a moment i imagined pete_dushenski's rebecca's name actually is becker. for maximal lulz.

21:50:58 BingoBoingo: !Up diana_coman

22:19:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.30337504 = 1.5169 BTC [-] {3}

22:20:42 mthreat: I just found out I'm a lord

22:21:34 dignork: mthreat: congrats :)

22:22:12 mircea_popescu: cue seinfeld finding out "She's into it".

22:22:15 artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot mthreat

22:22:15 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mthreat!~chris@cpe-70-116-50-78.austin.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mthreat: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mthreat | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mthreat | Rated since: Fri Jun 6 20:38:22 2014

22:22:30 mircea_popescu: "i'd have to get new friends, orgy friends"

22:22:42 mthreat: I'll have to buy a funny hat, or something

22:22:48 mircea_popescu: "I'd have to grow a moustache and get all kinds of robes and lotions and I'd need a new bedspread and new ... "

22:22:54 mthreat: Elton John is a lord, too, right?

22:23:34 mircea_popescu: yeah, the right honorable sir elton john of butts.

22:24:48 mircea_popescu: ahahhah if this style becomes a thing where one's known as Chris, Lord Mthreat or Juraj, Lord Jurov it'll be the lol of all time.

22:25:08 mircea_popescu: the lorld of all time

22:28:36 mthreat: the hardest street names to pronounce in Buenos Aires are the English ones, because they pronounce them as if they were spanish

22:28:51 mircea_popescu: i could not get someone to take me to thames st.

22:28:52 mthreat: "Thames" is "Tah-mez"

22:29:02 mircea_popescu: lol.

22:29:08 mthreat: I' not even sure what "loyola" will be

22:29:14 mircea_popescu: loyola is spanish.

22:29:15 mthreat: "loshola"

22:29:27 mthreat: ya i guess it is

22:29:45 mircea_popescu: problem is they think spanish is "casteshan" over here, and they speak spanish

22:29:48 mthreat: there's a "Loyola Lane" in Austi

22:29:49 mthreat: n

22:29:49 mircea_popescu: except they speak kurdish.

22:30:16 mircea_popescu: and i'll be drawn and quartered before i say lavalle like it was la vache.

22:30:29 mircea_popescu: fucking insulting to the poor man's memory.

22:30:47 mircea_popescu: (but if you want lulz at a party, ask local girl to say "lavalle qui rit")

22:59:04 mthreat: BRK breaks $200k

23:08:20 chetty: http://www.politicalears.com/blog/bush-exonerated-isis-uncovers-weapons-of-mass-destruction-in-iraq/?utm_content=buffer7848d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer


23:11:58 nkuttler: lulz

23:16:38 pete_dushenski: dear bitbet mods, please to close http://bitbet.us/bet/1006/bitcoin-to-drop-under-500-before-october/ after low of $497 as per https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd

23:16:38 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October :: 14.06 B (85%) on Yes, 2.47 B (15%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 71`620 (100`000 to 5`000)

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23:16:56 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

23:16:57 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 510.39, Best ask: 513.92, Bid-ask spread: 3.53000, Last trade: 513.92, 24 hour volume: 25563.58509467, 24 hour low: 497.0, 24 hour high: 551.86, 24 hour vwap: 516.653330765

23:17:15 pete_dushenski: mmm spread...

23:34:01 BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller

23:34:33 BingoBoingo: !up godovo

23:37:52 mircea_popescu: !up werds

23:40:24 BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller

23:40:32 mircea_popescu: !up copain_reac

23:40:34 mircea_popescu: lol.

23:40:50 Namworld: That blog looks like the onion. Not visually I mean.

23:43:24 Namworld: lol at related amazon wares

23:43:32 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i am interviewing an assistant. part of the requiremenets are for her to get in wot. if you still need "office-esque" stuff done, she will be in channel in the future

23:47:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02523161 = 0.5046 BTC [-]

23:53:56 godovo: quick question - just how large are the "large early holdings"? except for the satoshi's

23:56:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/la-serenissima-and-personal-sovereignty/

23:56:46 godovo: not letting usg "get in" for cheap is directly related to the size of the early holdings

23:58:10 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not bad!

23:58:29 mircea_popescu: Namworld which ?

23:58:44 pete_dushenski: "Australian law firm Clayton Utz has developed a smartphone app for companies facing dawn raids on their offices from police, antitrust and securities regulators, and tax officers."

23:58:47 pete_dushenski: "The Clayton Utz app allows in-house lawyers to choose which regulator is raiding their offices and guides them through how they need to act. It’s designed to be used even if regulators shut down an internal computer system."

23:58:55 mircea_popescu: godovo bout 5mn give or take.

23:59:54 godovo: are they "all or nothing"?