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00:08:42 punkman: this weather http://i.imgur.com/FZRafjn.png

00:08:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/20UIOhc )

00:11:18 punkman: a wallet spec might be nice to have

00:11:30 asciilifeform: the whole 'wallet' concept is braindamaged and must die.

00:11:57 asciilifeform: specify x1 from addr a1, x2 from a2, ... x_n(a_n)

00:12:06 asciilifeform: enough with the 'intelligence'.

00:12:21 asciilifeform: and enough with the machine 'knowing' that you 'spent.'

00:12:30 mats: punkman: mine http://imgur.com/WcmNYnu

00:12:31 assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/20UJgMw )

00:13:37 punkman: took me a sec to realize that was in F

00:14:31 punkman: asciilifeform: what do you mean 'knowing' that you 'spent.'

00:14:42 asciilifeform: punkman: see thread from 1/2hr ago

00:19:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58221 @ 0.00055309 = 32.2015 BTC [+] {2}

00:25:57 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-02-2016#1402007 < watched. not bad. i return the ball with another war flick; 'lepa sela, lepo gore' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116860/

00:25:57 assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 13:43:13; *: adlai offers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon_(2009_film) for any movie bloggers who are curious about how much tanks are loved

00:25:59 assbot: Joli village, jolie flamme (1996) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qgc6vI )

00:25:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.00055342 = 32.4858 BTC [+]

00:27:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16629 @ 0.00055342 = 9.2028 BTC [+]

00:36:56 asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo some lulz, http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/Mensch_Computer.cfm

00:36:58 assbot: The Mensch Computer ... ( http://bit.ly/20ULDz2 )

00:36:58 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:37:18 asciilifeform: 'The Mensch Computer is a solid state computer that was never designed to compete in the PC market. It's not a PDA, calculator, home controller or personal organizer, but it could be any of these things. It was designed to provide simplicity without complexity allowing users to evolve it into their own creation. Many people put a lot of thought and many years into the design to provide a head start for many projects. There are

00:37:18 asciilifeform: several assembly language library routines built into firmware and a ROM monitor allowing the ease of programming any of the included devices including graphics, sound, game controllers, communication to a PC, Printer or Modem or other solid state devices. The ROM monitor provides an easy interface menu for checking registers and modifying data in memory. All software listings, schematics and documentation are included.'

00:37:36 *: asciilifeform does not own this box, cannot recommend or disrecommend !!

00:37:48 asciilifeform: but sounds vaguely and pleasantly temple-os-y.

00:39:53 asciilifeform: appears to use a variant of the 6502 processor that is still made by western design inc.

00:40:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87286 @ 0.0005585 = 48.7492 BTC [+] {2}

00:40:31 asciilifeform: interestingly, the chip design is licensable... http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/w65c02s-core.cfm - presumably for serious dough

00:40:32 assbot: W65C02S 8-bit Core ... ( http://bit.ly/20ULVWx )

00:41:39 asciilifeform: now, mad kudos to anyone who can locate a 'mensch computer' available for purchase...

00:41:43 mircea_popescu: !up Computer8

00:48:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93100 @ 0.00056327 = 52.4404 BTC [+] {3}

01:16:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00055849 = 18.4302 BTC [-]

01:20:15 ben_vulpes: https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm/commit/e2edf81271e1a7dd148aa7386b730ae2838c2860#diff-b2301b53c4e2272d63fb6047c851c925L82

01:20:17 assbot: Add some useful key bindings · ch11ng/exwm@e2edf81 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1U24Byg )

01:20:29 ben_vulpes: this is why tab aligned shit in code is the devil

01:33:52 mircea_popescu: eh ?

01:34:14 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/b4ae78d04011ef41870a94e938edd05b/tumblr_nltsroIJdF1s9sr6mo1_1280.jpg << the ACTUAL devil.

01:34:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1U25OWi )

01:42:54 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "thousands of years of cultural tradition assualting the beloved practice of open defecation in rural India"

01:49:30 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what am i looking at

01:52:16 trinque: asciilifeform: exwm is... an x11 window manager written in elisp

01:52:43 trinque: I use the thing, love it actually

01:52:54 asciilifeform: ick

01:52:55 asciilifeform: why elisp

01:53:07 trinque: so that all windows are emacs buffers

01:53:44 trinque: rather, emacs windows

01:54:32 trinque: amounts to being able to get around rather quickly with a uniform set of keybindings and a simple mental model

01:54:55 trinque: rather than having window management both at the x11 level and again in emacs

01:55:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00055849 = 31.1079 BTC [-]

02:21:16 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what's a ~honest~ mine cost ? << during the Altcoin srs bsns days rented hash with varying relability from https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/sha256

02:21:17 assbot: Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQ97Oj )

02:24:30 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: very spiffy looking machine

02:24:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: quite unobtainable, it seems.

02:25:10 mircea_popescu: !up k8

02:25:34 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "thousands of years of cultural tradition assualting the beloved practice of open defecation in rural India" << should be fixed now

02:25:46 mircea_popescu: cool

02:26:39 BingoBoingo: Bugged shinohai to write to for the occasion to dust off the preecture

02:27:15 BingoBoingo: !up Computer0

02:33:43 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Shame. That 6502 box looks like it would make a spiffy musical instrument since it has the game port for midi

02:45:49 mircea_popescu: in other news, bride's maids. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4u88luixN1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg

02:45:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQbAbt )

02:50:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39550 @ 0.00056434 = 22.3196 BTC [+] {2}

03:01:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13072 @ 0.00056577 = 7.3957 BTC [+] {2}

03:11:37 asciilifeform: does pywallet actually work with trb ?

03:11:45 asciilifeform: for anybody ?

03:12:20 asciilifeform: i get 'ERROR:root:Couldn't open wallet.dat/main.'

03:13:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54350 @ 0.0005586 = 30.3599 BTC [-] {2}

03:14:27 *: ben_vulpes shrugs

03:35:09 trinque: asciilifeform: funkenstein's patches applied to bitcoind patched with the 99996 script for me

03:35:58 trinque: I saw the same error with pywallet

03:54:52 asciilifeform: to pick up a thread from yesterday, re: rf shields that pass light,

03:55:03 asciilifeform: in my collection of junk there is an apple wireless keyboard thing

03:55:17 asciilifeform: it has a power led that shines through the aluminum chassis

03:55:34 asciilifeform: (the latter has microscopic holes lasered in it, in a circle pattern approx. the size of a printed period)

03:56:29 asciilifeform: this kind of thing would be an expensive but very decent display-shield.

03:56:52 asciilifeform: (would have to laser a few million holes)

04:01:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71391 @ 0.0005586 = 39.879 BTC [-]

04:08:20 mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, that pywallet thing is hairy, but i did eventually get it to work

04:08:35 mod6: i'll log my usage next time i use it.

04:09:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125954 @ 0.00055895 = 70.402 BTC [+] {2}

04:17:40 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b17

04:17:46 asciilifeform: aaaah finally.

04:20:24 mod6: i think i had to do a -rescan too

04:20:49 kakobrekla: the easiest is to pull wallet from backup :)

04:25:07 asciilifeform: funnily enough, the malleators got to it first.

04:25:16 asciilifeform: interestingly, immediately while i sent the double.

04:25:32 asciilifeform: (is there some principle whereby they would wait until i do ? why ?)

04:51:04 ben_vulpes: polarbeard: i *will* however read through several hundred lines of deletion

04:51:38 ben_vulpes: before i confirm your work, please tell me how you determined that these were all unused?

04:56:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96200 @ 0.00055633 = 53.5189 BTC [-] {2}

05:05:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 278814 @ 0.0005593 = 155.9407 BTC [+] {2}

05:20:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61243 @ 0.00055312 = 33.8747 BTC [-] {3}

05:26:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90500 @ 0.00055869 = 50.5614 BTC [+] {2}

05:45:52 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] What else have you “come to expect” from your stock exchange? - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/14/what-else-have-you-come-to-expect-from-your-stock-exchange/

05:50:10 ben_vulpes: front running, primarily

06:42:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102691 @ 0.0005586 = 57.3632 BTC [-] {2}

07:11:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72730 @ 0.00055222 = 40.163 BTC [-] {3}

07:12:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158220 @ 0.00055156 = 87.2678 BTC [-] {4}

07:25:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39890 @ 0.00055835 = 22.2726 BTC [+] {2}

07:26:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29610 @ 0.00056042 = 16.594 BTC [+] {2}

07:28:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119550 @ 0.00055117 = 65.8924 BTC [-] {3}

07:45:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90841 @ 0.00055113 = 50.0652 BTC [-] {3}

08:20:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86550 @ 0.00056042 = 48.5044 BTC [+] {2}

08:31:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220600 @ 0.00056395 = 124.4074 BTC [+] {5}

09:00:26 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca9FJ9LWIAESaBy.jpg:large

09:00:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/244JvDW )

09:01:16 punkman: https://twitter.com/GLOCKInc/status/698962783979712512

09:23:41 punkman: http://fortune.com/2015/09/09/the-siege-of-herbalife/

09:23:42 assbot: The siege of Herbalife - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/244KZy2 )

09:24:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 385700 @ 0.0005651 = 217.9591 BTC [+] {3}

09:33:59 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00319579 = 2.3968 BTC [-] {9}

09:53:18 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.0028335 = 2.1251 BTC [-] {4}

09:56:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20978 @ 0.00056398 = 11.8312 BTC [-]

09:57:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73072 @ 0.00055455 = 40.5221 BTC [-]

10:02:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30828 @ 0.00056135 = 17.3053 BTC [+]

10:12:02 thestringpuller: !v assbot:thestringpuller.rate.Pierre_Rochard.-1:2cb629256734cb1067a0a8ccdb658802966d720c6bde348f040848156d25442c

10:12:02 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for Pierre_Rochard from 2 to -1 with note: "Yesterday's ally becomes today's opposition." - Wants to be vocal, and hide in the shadows.

10:21:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00055364 = 16.0832 BTC [-]

10:22:13 davout: jurov: X.EUR MM bot is back.

10:28:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150550 @ 0.00055308 = 83.2662 BTC [-] {2}

10:55:56 adlai: punkman: good link. now when is ackman shorting b[,tmsr~]?

10:57:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132950 @ 0.00055091 = 73.2435 BTC [-] {4}

11:03:35 *: adlai has stopped telling people that bitcoin is not 'network marketed', i mean it is digital money, runs on networks, flows in tubes (both parallel, and series of)

11:18:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82468 @ 0.00055653 = 45.8959 BTC [+] {2}

11:21:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139100 @ 0.00056454 = 78.5275 BTC [+] {2}

11:24:36 adlai: !v assbot:adlai.rate.mircea_popescu.10:c26b82ee97b4c01a90dc0229cacda535bc552cd9572b13d759a9554d0fe4f39d

11:24:36 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 7 to 10 with note: I have received more coin from Mircea than I have sent him (indirectly, respectively, directly - respectfully)

11:29:54 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403699 << huh, same. let's hope it's not contagious

11:29:54 assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 17:35:04; asciilifeform: but i think i spent more of my life adlaiing than not

11:34:30 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403712 << "So I believe that even my master, when he spoke of the simple, was using a rather simple concept." http://www.obooksbooks.com/2015/4115_142.html

11:34:30 assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 17:44:17; trinque: to be a simpleton... one will die either way.

11:34:31 assbot: The Name of the Rose(142) by Umberto Eco, William - Free Best Novels ... ( http://bit.ly/20VztFX )

11:41:29 jurov: davout ty!

12:22:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00056279 = 27.239 BTC [-]

12:32:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77350 @ 0.00056188 = 43.4614 BTC [-]

12:50:35 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (is there some principle whereby they would wait until i do ? why ?) << Welcome to the weird that is Bitcoin broadcasting

13:15:57 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405999 >> https://fortunedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/her09-15_b_lo-res2.jpg?quality=80 << l0l, 2x eizo 'colouredge' !111

13:15:57 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 09:23:41; punkman: http://fortune.com/2015/09/09/the-siege-of-herbalife/

13:15:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/20VI6As )

13:16:28 asciilifeform: (can anybody identify the kbd ?)

13:16:42 asciilifeform: platinum toilets ftw!

13:17:11 mircea_popescu: it's so bizarre that the usg doesn't embrace herbalife. yes all the arguments against it are solid, but they cut just as much against say, apple. google.

13:17:15 mircea_popescu: they're all herbalifes.

13:17:17 asciilifeform: (they are not true iridium toilets because i can identify them visually)

13:17:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where's the consumer direct-sale chumpatron in, e.g., apple ?

13:17:54 asciilifeform: last i checked, they didn't offer 'get ipnohe for selling five'

13:17:58 mircea_popescu: doh ?

13:18:09 mircea_popescu: "get to be an iphone's worth of cool by telling all your friends" ?

13:18:26 asciilifeform: then mercedes is also pyramid ?

13:18:28 mircea_popescu: if apple isn't direct-marketed then what is ? and what's an apple fan ?

13:18:49 mircea_popescu: notrly. mercedes is sold by poor beta muslim boys telling each other THEY WOULD buy one

13:18:55 mircea_popescu: not by pete telling them to buy one.

13:21:26 mircea_popescu: heck, who knows, maybe ackerman's mping all over "classic" finance, started with the easier to lance boil.

13:21:29 asciilifeform: by this notion all consumer crud is 'direct market'

13:21:55 asciilifeform: but the traditional definition remains, does chump take money from chump.

13:22:09 mircea_popescu: i think that definition was never stated as such.

13:22:16 mircea_popescu: does chump BENEFIT from chump. yes, he does.

13:22:24 asciilifeform: if chump sends the new chump on his merry way to the crapple store, we have a scam, sure, but how is it 'mlm' ?

13:22:30 mircea_popescu: and by this definition all consumer crud IS IN FACT consumer crud. which yes. it is.

13:22:37 mircea_popescu: i would sya it is.

13:22:58 asciilifeform: where are the hierarchical levels then ?

13:23:04 mircea_popescu: ...

13:23:12 mircea_popescu: they worship steve, don't they ? why ?

13:23:20 mircea_popescu: becauyse of the frustrated mlm need.

13:23:24 asciilifeform: (i.e. what would be an advanced crapple pusher, vs rank-and-file)

13:23:38 mircea_popescu: just because they're not lame as fguck about it, going telloing kids what the levels "should be" doesn't mean they don't exist.

13:23:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00056101 = 36.634 BTC [-]

13:23:54 mircea_popescu: you realise crapple only hires salespeople from the fanbase yes ?

13:23:56 asciilifeform: can mircea_popescu give example of the levels ?

13:24:07 mircea_popescu: steve ; everyone else is already levels.

13:24:40 asciilifeform: the crapple salesmen are wage labourers

13:24:52 asciilifeform: afaik they get no commission.

13:24:53 mircea_popescu: not fully.

13:25:07 mircea_popescu: they get less than they'd ask for to deliver the same work, if they weren't in the apple ml.

13:25:10 mircea_popescu: mlm*

13:26:32 asciilifeform: any public evidence that they are paid below market rate for other clerks ?

13:26:35 asciilifeform: by how much ?

13:26:56 mircea_popescu: they're not making comission, right ? fifth avenue equiv poshness job working chicks ARE.

13:27:26 mircea_popescu: and they also have to be this tall and this booby and this slutty

13:27:37 mircea_popescu: and just like the apple shitheads, they have to spend this % of their income on storep roducts

13:27:46 asciilifeform: folks working in ~shops~ somewhere make commission ?

13:27:48 mircea_popescu: where 200 < this < 1500 or so

13:27:51 mircea_popescu: yep.

13:28:04 mircea_popescu: fuck more hotties, wouldja!

13:28:16 asciilifeform: l0l

13:28:34 asciilifeform: wake me up when they start making ones with faces.

13:28:45 *: asciilifeform bbl

13:28:55 mircea_popescu: typical airhead 5foot11 blondi that doesn't college and doesn't straight callgirl moves to pretentious store to sell perfume and designer clothes on comission.

13:29:14 mircea_popescu: and buys "worth" about 5x what she earns

13:29:38 mircea_popescu: and is taken on "training" to various hotels where she is expected to fuck the "senior management" and she gladly complies. because hey.

13:47:28 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> folks working in ~shops~ somewhere make commission ? << I fucking made commision selling watch batteries in the mall.

13:47:59 BingoBoingo: Same for people a few stalls down selling phones, calendars, etc

13:48:26 mircea_popescu: the attempt to waitress-ify all consumer facing jobs is long in the tooth.

13:51:07 BingoBoingo: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/100319340.html << Marshall Long style Eatbeast scammzor

13:51:46 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: To be fair this was 07-08 and base pay was above minimum wage. No idea if it still would be

13:52:26 mircea_popescu: no idea if minimum wage would still be meaningful, either.

13:53:35 BingoBoingo: But this was also back when floor space for the kiosk was $5000/month no idea where that has gone, but likely down.

13:54:19 mircea_popescu: prolly.

13:56:28 BingoBoingo: In other news https://archive.is/4FvjC

13:56:34 assbot: 100 Best-Selling, Most Prescribed Branded Drugs Through March ... ( http://bit.ly/2453GS7 )

13:57:25 BingoBoingo: A lot of insulins on that list

14:02:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135750 @ 0.00056314 = 76.4463 BTC [+] {3}

14:18:00 shinohai: !up minetester

14:18:17 minetester: <.<

14:18:23 minetester: >.>

14:18:26 shinohai: Buenas uey

14:18:36 minetester: que hay!?

14:18:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101030 @ 0.0005629 = 56.8698 BTC [-]

14:22:03 BingoBoingo: !up wpalczynski

14:42:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5704 @ 0.00055879 = 3.1873 BTC [-]

14:58:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00055864 = 12.4018 BTC [-]

15:16:39 deedbot-: [Qntra] Optical Disc Software Approaching International Crisis - http://qntra.net/2016/02/optical-disc-software-approaching-international-crisis/

15:24:52 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b91CN5XC_V8

15:24:53 assbot: New Zealand Politician Steven Joyce - #Dildogate - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tlms3J )

15:33:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87950 @ 0.00055864 = 49.1324 BTC [-]

15:38:37 shinohai: !unrate liquidassets

15:38:37 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2a7039cbef0b2cbc

15:38:45 BingoBoingo: In other news there's rumbling ECB is set to kill the 500 euro note, but no source worth linking yet

15:39:15 shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.unrate.liquidassets:d22d27f15bd1997ea3bff0b032d8e8019ab00763506732bab17f7f5034a1de94

15:39:15 assbot: Successfully unrated liquidassets

15:43:59 BingoBoingo: !up Conflict

15:44:03 BingoBoingo: !up linton_s_dawson

15:46:22 BingoBoingo: Insanity https://i.imgur.com/NXUvpBt.jpg

15:46:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/214Gzol )

15:47:22 shinohai: tumbrinas don't get to decide what is anything.

15:47:59 shinohai: *tumblrinas

15:49:01 trinque: hell of a mentality, where the things you do are the things you "get to" do

15:50:44 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/uaBA1yS.png

15:50:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/214H1D4 )

15:51:12 shinohai: I do get to decide not to eat 4 buckets of Wal-MArt chicken in one sitting so as not to be labeled obese.

15:52:13 BingoBoingo: Notice though how all of those ideological avatars are rotund. Every single one of them is obese.

15:52:57 BingoBoingo: But apparently it doesn't count as obesity anymore until a person is so fat they spread out like a pancake

15:53:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00055864 = 5.1395 BTC [-]

16:04:22 trinque: shinohai: I mean specifically that they see all things as prohibited, aside exceptions you "get to"

16:05:21 trinque: at least religions of the past had something of an enumerated list of prohibitions

16:06:52 shinohai: Sadly even that has devolved based on what religious leader you happen to follow. At least in usa

16:14:37 BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1

16:37:36 shinohai: ;;ticker

16:37:37 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 399.9, Best ask: 400.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 399.96, 24 hour volume: 28420.58864334, 24 hour low: 396.12, 24 hour high: 412.5, 24 hour vwap: None

16:37:46 shinohai: $400 again >.>

16:39:08 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

16:39:14 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 400.0, vol: 9025.06442353 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 401.87, vol: 7623.0688 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 399.6, vol: 28498.84921068 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 390.0, vol: 7.28927057 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 418.446405, vol: 46236.18970000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 397.77401, vol: 755.81372971 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 399.47655, vol: 73.30162171 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

16:39:16 BingoBoingo: ;;more

16:39:16 gribble: 409.260001115

17:16:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114016 @ 0.00056007 = 63.8569 BTC [+] {2}

17:17:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113884 @ 0.00056396 = 64.226 BTC [+] {3}

17:35:36 shinohai: wb pete_dushenski

17:35:46 pete_dushenski: heya shinohai

17:35:55 pete_dushenski: how comes the website ?

17:41:06 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406019 << lol. good one

17:41:06 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 11:29:54; adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403699 << huh, same. let's hope it's not contagious

17:42:15 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406031 << looks like 'bloomberg terminal' model, neh ?

17:42:15 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 13:16:28; asciilifeform: (can anybody identify the kbd ?)

17:44:09 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/bloomberg_terminal.jpg << looks like it.

17:44:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TjfD1B )

17:44:21 pete_dushenski: that's the one

17:44:44 asciilifeform: l0l winblowz key

17:45:02 pete_dushenski: you don't understand how finance worx

17:45:23 asciilifeform: clearly not

17:45:38 asciilifeform: and here i was, imagining that it runs on custom pdp11 tandematron

17:46:12 pete_dushenski: though i eaaagerly await the results of the alphago bet now that 'most of alf's net worth' is on the line. that's sitg, folks.

17:46:26 asciilifeform: did i say most

17:46:27 asciilifeform: l0l

17:46:34 pete_dushenski: 'significant' ?

17:47:12 pete_dushenski: but if 'organs won't buy bulldozer', most isn't a stretch

17:47:42 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: perhaps i ought to explain that i don't really treat bitcoin as money

17:47:55 asciilifeform: (it can't pay my rent, or tax, or ..., etc)

17:48:36 pete_dushenski: neither can shares of tsla, goog, aapl, gs, etc.

17:48:49 asciilifeform: i use it as a sort of scientific toy. picture, if you will, if you came to own a few grams of Pu

17:49:19 asciilifeform: nowhere near enough for fission, but you can still do various interesting things like thermal generator, etc.

17:49:27 asciilifeform: closest analogy i can think of.

17:49:32 pete_dushenski: i can see it

17:51:19 mats: asciilifeform: didja bet yes or no?

17:51:37 asciilifeform: and yes, when mircea_popescu wakes up he will remind me that it is the only real money. and he will be right, just like, to hruschev, Pu was the only real money

17:51:42 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406042 << as with all new german cars, yes. this comment on baruth's blog recently sharply sums up this arriviste betaboi phenomenon : "If you’re distraught about the Macan demo now, wait until the 4cyl comes out with a $499 lease special and a whole new segment of buyers. I can tell you from experience (I sell Audis as well) that the ‘aspirational’ luxury bu

17:51:42 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 13:18:49; mircea_popescu: notrly. mercedes is sold by poor beta muslim boys telling each other THEY WOULD buy one

17:51:43 pete_dushenski: yer is different breed…just wait for the Insta posts of a millennial couple with #porsche #madeit #lifegoals #adulting"

17:51:43 asciilifeform: mats: this is not appearent from the logz?

17:52:15 pete_dushenski: mats look for the 5btc bet

17:52:15 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: explain for us mortals ?

17:52:43 pete_dushenski: which part ?

17:52:46 mats: i'm not caught up on logs

17:52:46 asciilifeform: any of it

17:53:10 mats: i see it now.

17:57:41 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: do you remember the thread re: 'organic food' ?

17:58:31 asciilifeform: specifically how there is no place in usa where one can 'i will pay double for non-monsanto but i don't give a fuck about 'gmo' and i sure as fuck don't want to see homeopathic crud in the shop'

17:59:09 asciilifeform: i see same phenomenon in the auto market

17:59:26 asciilifeform: e.g., i can go and buy 'mercedes' but what if i want to ~only~ pay for quality and ~not at all~ for stotting ?

18:00:14 asciilifeform: or, perhaps overworked subject in my writings, the computer market: there is $wintelcrud laptop, there is crapple, but there is no (longer) tadpole computer corp.

18:00:17 asciilifeform: !s tadpole

18:00:18 assbot: 14 results for 'tadpole' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tadpole

18:01:31 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha k, so let's see here. 25 years ago a young couple leaves china, lebanon, russia, or the like and moves to us/canada. they proceed to find gainful employment buying or selling something or other and set about raising two children. the immigrant couple, after working diligently to put their children through university, ensuring that their kids never know physical hardship nor so much as an overd

18:01:31 pete_dushenski: ue credit card balance, proudly watch as both kids graduate as professionals, maybe optometrists or accountants. as these kids have never had to save for anything, nor even been encumbered by uncertainty, they proceed to 'show off' their entirely disposable incomes with the purchase of nice watches and leased bmws, audis, mercedes, or porsche crossovers and to 'post' 'their' 'success' on social medias and pick u

18:01:31 pete_dushenski: p their friends for brunch on sunday morning while talking at length about what option boxes (of the 4 available) they ticked or didn't, and why or why not. this 'aspie' set has no goals beyond the moment's likes and hearts, not unlike the set that tlp mischaracterised as patek philippe owners.

18:03:19 asciilifeform: that'd be a global plague, affecting all fat & comfortable folks everywhere ?

18:03:34 pete_dushenski: as to the organic food angle, the car market is actually quite a different beast, mostly because there is no 'quality' to be had for love or money. a new mercedes will break just as readily as a new kia, just more expensively.

18:03:43 asciilifeform: ^

18:03:49 asciilifeform: and i find this interesting

18:04:12 pete_dushenski: why do you think i, who can afford whatever i please, bought 'cheap' 'rusty' 26yo car ?

18:04:21 asciilifeform: it suggests that erdos was right, most people 'have no theorems to prove', the idiot social stotting game ~is~ the point of living, to them.

18:04:38 pete_dushenski: entirely this.

18:05:39 asciilifeform: for me, auto is just another expense. and a tool for doing a tedious and unpleasant chore. like broom.

18:05:41 pete_dushenski: and in case anyone is curious about how 'cheap' and old merc is... it's not. i paid more in maintenance and repairs in the first year of ownership than i laid out in initial capital.

18:05:46 mats: hm, alphago prop hit 'geekwire': http://www.geekwire.com/2016/alphago-lee-sedol-whos-underdog-in-google-ai-million-go-match

18:05:48 assbot: Odds favor machine over human in big Go showdown ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtnSbU )

18:05:59 pete_dushenski: *an old merc

18:06:05 mats: alphago bitbet prop, that is.

18:07:08 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: maybe more like fridge in that others actually notice the brand, finishes, etc

18:07:44 pete_dushenski: unless 'lord of the brooms' cares to defend a position to the contrary

18:08:03 asciilifeform: nobody (but pet) sees my fridge.

18:08:44 pete_dushenski: because you don't socialise with meat, whereas 99.4% of population does.

18:08:52 asciilifeform: and, while plenty of people see the car, it looks like every other car. and i like this.

18:09:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77250 @ 0.00056506 = 43.6509 BTC [+] {2}

18:09:34 asciilifeform: i go every day to the meat farm. and nobody there even knows which car i go in.

18:09:37 asciilifeform: and i like this.

18:09:42 pete_dushenski: that's the other tragic angle of the lack of quality, as it happens, everything fucking ~looks~ the same.

18:09:47 asciilifeform: aha!

18:10:01 pete_dushenski: goddam autocad car designers just wanna be like poorfag architects

18:10:03 adlai: mats: more "money left on the table"!

18:10:04 asciilifeform: i remember, a coupla years ago, when i first saw a live 'mazerati'

18:10:08 asciilifeform: mega-disappointment

18:10:16 asciilifeform: i always imagined it as a big 1950s race car thing

18:10:23 mats: adlai: meaning?

18:10:28 asciilifeform: but it looks no substantially different from 'honda'

18:10:29 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: heh

18:10:42 adlai: mats: http://fraudsters.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-november-2015-statement/#footnote_3_64105

18:10:44 assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) November 2015 Statement on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tjj2xm )

18:11:27 mats: adlai: yeah, he didn't use an affiliate link

18:12:42 mats: i stumped 2.5btc, should be a good show

18:12:49 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: rolls royce looks like chrysler, mercedes looks like kia, and on and on and on. this is why my 'toy' would be 'morgan 3-wheeler' but afaik they're not importable to canada atm.

18:13:40 asciilifeform: and inside, same junk parts

18:14:07 asciilifeform: and 'softwarized' ignition that can fail because overwrites own firmware (yes i saw this)

18:14:28 asciilifeform: but hey at least you can play idiot meat gamez

18:14:35 asciilifeform: impress the chixx with how much you can put on credit card.

18:15:15 asciilifeform: (did this ever actually work...?)

18:16:59 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.50000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b21

18:17:13 asciilifeform: mats: i can't help but wonder, if author of 'alphago' is confident that the machine can win, why not pick up some easy coin betting ?

18:21:28 mats: asciilifeform: operator drinks from google hose, doesn't need to redeem cola cans for nickels

18:22:55 asciilifeform: mats: as i understand, 'alphago' is a corporate operation, with many folks involved, all over the pay scale.

18:23:35 asciilifeform: yes, if it were a personal work of brin the younger, i would not be surprised re: no bets.

18:23:45 asciilifeform: but afaik it is not.

18:25:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00055864 = 15.4743 BTC [-] {2}

18:27:22 mats: plenty of time left, and 'geekwire' has given bitbet some exposure

18:28:25 mats: fan hui shit himself during the match and i think folks are overrating the ai strength

18:28:31 mats: what is this 50-50 odds bs

18:28:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63300 @ 0.00056538 = 35.7886 BTC [+] {2}

18:29:50 adlai: mats: friend who introduced me to go claims "tournament champions should already have experience not in shitting themselves under pressure"

18:30:14 mats: ph33r the machine

18:30:57 asciilifeform: mats: bbbbut 'exponentially improving!11111'

18:31:07 *: adlai reckons bet weights that taper sharply (like this one) to be better at sounding out 'insiders'?

18:31:36 mats: i'd bet 2.5btc all of two people can explain what 'alphago' actually did when evaluating decisions during the fan hui match

18:32:32 adlai: explain on what level? "the ANN weighings blabla" is not the same as "play away from thickness"

18:33:11 *: adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms

18:35:30 asciilifeform: thing about nn is that this is fundamentally not a thing:

18:35:32 asciilifeform: e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-01-2016#1386298

18:35:32 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 17:20:06; ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)

18:36:26 asciilifeform: nn works until it 'doesn't want to', at which point - doesn't.

18:36:46 jurov: soo i'm looking on letsencrypt, which can auth the domain by adding stuff to webroot. so, no need for it to be ran under root you'd say

18:36:53 asciilifeform: and just as easily 'forgets' as 'learns'

18:37:25 jurov: but not. i had to add /etc/letsencrypt, /var/log/letsencrypt writable to it

18:37:44 jurov: and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?!

18:38:14 asciilifeform: l0lwut?!

18:38:52 jurov: startssl it is again, i guess

18:39:09 asciilifeform: jurov: what do you use ssl for ?

18:39:46 jurov: i have several webservers, internal and external

18:40:07 jurov: not up to pushing my own CA to everyone that uses them

18:40:35 asciilifeform: yes i know that jurov has wwwtrons, but what is the ssl for.

18:41:09 asciilifeform: coinbr does not use popescutronic authenticator ?

18:41:27 jurov: mnope

18:41:43 jurov: but i don't use free certs for that.

18:41:54 jurov: also have other $projects which I host e.g. wiki for

18:45:49 jurov: these wait for gopher over whispernet or what is the #b-a replacement vaporware called

18:47:15 adlai: interestingly enough, 'abusing' image recognition ANNs to generate images generates surprisingly similar imagery to that which is found from an analogous process on NNNs

18:55:13 asciilifeform: is this one of those abominable things that won't move a millimetre unless i push it ??!

18:57:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00055864 = 27.8482 BTC [-]

18:57:56 *: adlai is talking about https://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-googles-neural-networks-look-like-theyre-on-acid

18:57:57 assbot: Why Google's Neural Networks Look Like They're on Acid | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1PA6nn0 )

19:00:11 adlai: human go skill allegedly improves with saki consumption, i wonder whether they emulate this in the program or settle for programmer-mediated emulation

19:00:42 asciilifeform: emulation. programmer kicks the machine.

19:01:16 adlai: if alphago were really intelligent(tm), it would be betting on/against itself

19:01:43 adlai: and fleece money by fooling its creators

19:01:44 asciilifeform: adlai: iirc the sake thing originated with a certain drunken former champ

19:01:56 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i remember, a coupla years ago, when i first saw a live 'mazerati' << In one of the college towns I lived in there was one I'd frequently see as it bounced from parking lot to parking lot, looking more like weathered trash than other cars of similar age.

19:04:00 kakobrekla: thinking anyone at google is even aware of bitbet is delusional.

19:04:07 asciilifeform: prolly.

19:05:13 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> yes, if it were a personal work of brin the younger, i would not be surprised re: no bets. << I'm not entirely sold on Deep Blue II electric boogaloo having been definitive for chess. Kasparov was not Undisputed in his championship at the time. His title was not recognized by FIDE.

19:05:33 polarbeard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405980 << first they made it into my list because they're never called explicitly, then revised the function and history of each, some we're left from earlier versions, others after removing the gui, etc

19:05:33 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 04:51:38; ben_vulpes: before i confirm your work, please tell me how you determined that these were all unused?

19:05:51 polarbeard: *were

19:05:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the kasparov match, contrary to popular notion, is not what 'killed' chess

19:06:17 BingoBoingo: No, fritz and drug testing were.

19:06:22 asciilifeform: rather, it was that idiots at a certain point became able to hook up chessatron to game servers and ruin the game.

19:06:37 asciilifeform: (for what purpose, is known only to expert psychiatrists, i imagine)

19:07:04 BingoBoingo: AH, that

19:07:14 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406236 << on a "for phun not money" thing

19:07:14 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:28:31; mats: what is this 50-50 odds bs

19:07:16 kakobrekla: anyway speaking of bitbet, there has been a large amount of rouge behavior on it for the past ~2 weeks

19:07:29 asciilifeform: how's that

19:07:52 asciilifeform: (what counts as 'rogue' on bitbet?!)

19:08:02 danielpbarron: i pointed out the missing ref= on the alphaGo bet in that geekwire article; let's see if they update it :D

19:08:27 *: adlai has been trying to hook up a captcha solver so he can stop handspamming it

19:08:29 kakobrekla: bots and humans trying to get in the systemz/break in the server/deplete deposit address supply etc etc

19:08:40 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: this only started recently ?!

19:08:49 asciilifeform: i'd have thought it would have been pestilential from day 1

19:09:05 kakobrekla: no, it is happening all the time but it went way up from the usual noise

19:09:34 asciilifeform: welcome to being mp-cool

19:09:59 asciilifeform: (next step: mp-complete !!111)

19:10:08 kakobrekla: heh

19:12:43 adlai: !b 3

19:12:45 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3YAF2J2.txt )

19:37:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123450 @ 0.00056659 = 69.9455 BTC [+] {5}

19:58:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405966 << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face.

19:58:02 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 03:56:29; asciilifeform: this kind of thing would be an expensive but very decent display-shield.

19:58:27 mircea_popescu: and THAT can be nickel, or anodized zinc or w/e the fuck you feel like.

19:59:16 asciilifeform: and altschuller tells us how to 'cheat in wolf form' and make this without any lasering.

19:59:34 asciilifeform: (he wrote this before laser was available to su industry at all)

19:59:54 mircea_popescu: aha.

20:00:00 asciilifeform: (answer: cast metal into mold containing fibers, which disintegrate but not immediately. instant holes.)

20:00:18 mircea_popescu: due to the low power consumption of modern displays, this really can just be the mount.

20:00:25 asciilifeform: aha

20:01:28 asciilifeform: also one can make a 'poorfag' version using pcb vias

20:02:04 asciilifeform: (solid copper - heavy-gauge pcb; many vias; mount surface mount led opposite side; attach pcb-mounted shield to led side)

20:05:23 asciilifeform: for extra points, have two or more layers of this, ~where the holes don't line up~. how does the light pass? sheet of glass between! partial internal reflection.

20:06:00 mircea_popescu: i almost wouldn't even need my "run gamma at 40%" thing

20:06:14 asciilifeform: essentially one is making 'notch filter at terahertz' metamaterial.

20:06:22 asciilifeform: as in, pass light but not 'radio'

20:06:56 mircea_popescu: moreover, given the technology of making cds

20:07:04 mircea_popescu: one should probably just make a cd based filter

20:08:25 asciilifeform: as in pressed hologram ?

20:08:57 asciilifeform: would work, but a bit thin

20:11:24 asciilifeform: would be interesting to compare to the indium thing, e.g., http://hollandshielding.com/231-EMI%20shielded%20glass

20:11:25 assbot: EMI/RFI Shielded Glass 9600 serie | Excellent EMI/RFI shielding performance ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vhxyod )

20:12:02 asciilifeform: or hm, is this still the mesh foil.

20:12:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the other consideration is that JUST LIKE WITH a cipher... there could be hidden key in there.,

20:13:25 asciilifeform: waiwut

20:13:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98300 @ 0.00056232 = 55.2761 BTC [-]

20:14:01 asciilifeform: https://www.pgo-online.com/intl/katalog/ito.html << claims to sell the real thing, indium glass

20:14:02 assbot: ITO coated glass | ITO-coating on glass substrates | CTO ... ( http://bit.ly/1VhxQvl )

20:14:07 asciilifeform: ... key ?

20:14:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, "this shield is passible to X frequency"

20:14:39 mircea_popescu: check it out jurov ! indium glass!

20:14:54 *: mircea_popescu does a little dance of being a rightful asshole.

20:14:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: realize that this would be a greater marvel than washington building a magical ray to give us both ballsack cancer

20:15:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you are staring at indium glass right now

20:15:24 asciilifeform: it is how your lcd conducts...

20:15:29 mircea_popescu: nevermind!

20:15:32 asciilifeform: l0l

20:15:53 mircea_popescu: ikr ?

20:16:40 asciilifeform: quite.

20:19:29 *: asciilifeform pictures some usg pit developing a grease, of snot-like consistency, to fluoresce in rf, to slather on victim's lcd while he sleeps

20:19:43 asciilifeform: ... or paint wall of hotel with

20:19:46 asciilifeform: or the like.

20:20:24 asciilifeform: laugh, but with 'oled' display, 'optical tempest' can come back

20:20:38 deedbot-: [Qntra] 4th Amendment Champion Dies Under Uncertain Circumstances - http://qntra.net/2016/02/4th-amendment-champion-dies-under-uncertain-circumstances/

20:20:39 asciilifeform: e.g., if thing has any pattern in the redraw, not necessarily crt-like raster

20:21:47 mircea_popescu: "Scalia was found with a pillow over his head wearing unwrinkled pajamas (archived). " o.O

20:22:00 BingoBoingo: Came out today, turned the thing into news

20:22:13 asciilifeform: vintage mega-lulz re: herr scalia, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296440 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328006

20:22:13 assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 20:15:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is where scalia's magical formula comes into play

20:22:13 assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 01:55:31; asciilifeform: 'you got due process, now stfu and sizzle in the electric chair' -- scalia

20:22:48 BingoBoingo: Guess this is the Classi, with a dick on the C fucking the a in the assi, version of zipping self into duffelbag in the tub

20:23:32 mircea_popescu: guy was pretty old...

20:23:36 mircea_popescu: what was he, 70something ?

20:23:39 BingoBoingo: Only 75

20:23:50 BingoBoingo: Young for a Justice of the Surpreme COurt

20:24:12 BingoBoingo: 30 years on the bench and he was still one of the younger ones

20:26:41 BingoBoingo: But it's normal for people dying of natural causes in their sleep to struggle a bit.

20:26:44 mircea_popescu: curious who obama appoints now.

20:27:00 BingoBoingo: No one's talking Preet yet

20:27:17 mircea_popescu: i guess the obama section of democrats are resigned to losing to the other one, or else they wouldn't be running around with this sort of crap.

20:29:58 BingoBoingo: Yeah

20:31:08 BingoBoingo: Turns out the only democratic party segments Clitler appeals to are old women and people who directly trade favors with the Clinton establishment

20:31:42 mircea_popescu: old women are one of the most horrible bases to build government onto.

20:31:47 mircea_popescu: seems unavoidable for the us.

20:31:51 BingoBoingo: Yeah

20:33:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can hardly wait, preet as chief-justice, already salivating

20:34:18 asciilifeform: perhaps a 50% opendefecation rate is achievable before next election!

20:34:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He seems like a clear Senate veto for his history of persecuting elected officials. More likely he'll be the Bernie Sanders Attorney General

20:35:49 mircea_popescu: bharara has no political future anymore than that guy deleted out of stalin's picture did.

20:36:03 mircea_popescu: the political future belongs to the current 15 yo who grew up during bharara's days

20:36:06 BingoBoingo: But asciilifeform They are floating around the names of other loyal Indians

20:36:13 mircea_popescu: and is consequently even more of a heel than his father could ever have been

20:38:14 jurov: omg shielding lcd with metamaterial...

20:39:07 jurov: what about proper lowpass filters for lcd signals...

20:40:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00056721 = 45.0648 BTC [+]

20:49:09 asciilifeform: at any rate, preet is not a playing character, but a reflection of lizard will. a freisler.

20:49:10 jurov: aw, tvtropeswent full bootstrap.. my eyes hurt

20:49:47 asciilifeform: jurov: i always found it interesting that you can't get display cable ~optic~

20:49:52 asciilifeform: (afaik)

20:50:06 asciilifeform: even though it would be, in all likelihood, ~cheaper~ to make

20:50:14 asciilifeform: (no need for shield, for example)

20:50:26 jurov: why cheaper?

20:50:40 jurov: judging from optical usb extenders, it's not

20:50:42 asciilifeform: no copper

20:50:54 asciilifeform: jurov: because, again, the ~extender~ is an active circuit

20:50:58 asciilifeform: and made in quite low volume

20:51:30 asciilifeform: i am speaking of: why the everliving fuck is the gpu connected to the lcd with anything other than a single strand of fiber.

20:52:17 mircea_popescu: because fiber needs terminators and doesn't take well to damage.

20:52:45 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/IuixMHN.jpg

20:52:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1oko29R )

20:52:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: terminators !?

20:53:03 asciilifeform: nein

20:53:12 asciilifeform: you must be confusing it with copper coax

20:53:31 asciilifeform: and have you tried bending copper dvi cable ?

20:53:42 asciilifeform: 'takes well to damage' is not a thing

20:53:48 mircea_popescu: hm

20:53:52 asciilifeform: and no consumer ever repairs a cable, wtf

20:54:51 jurov: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK pediwikia says consumer optic cables have high attenuation and still fragile

20:54:52 assbot: TOSLINK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ocy01x )

20:55:09 asciilifeform: so high that three metres is too long ?!

20:55:27 mircea_popescu: optic cables are more fragile than anything found in derp house.

20:56:16 asciilifeform: soo? he bends, buys another.

20:56:19 asciilifeform: learns not to bend.

20:56:31 asciilifeform: just as chumpers learned not to drop ipnohe.

20:57:13 BingoBoingo: In my experience it is same people who drop pnohe that repeat that mistake indefinitely

20:57:22 jurov: also, to have gigabit 4K bandwidth, you need singlemode fiber. and that has much more expensive connectors

20:57:58 jurov: defon not consumer stuff

20:58:02 mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand this whole "Consumer" thing all too well.

20:58:07 mircea_popescu: learns ? what the fuck is wrong with you.

20:58:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'learns' in the circus sense. the lions that did not learn, went for bear food

20:58:51 mircea_popescu: heh

20:59:04 asciilifeform: (in what other sense do konsoomerz learn.)

20:59:46 mircea_popescu: in no sense.

21:00:18 jurov: i happen to prefer cables that are't sensitive to get pinched inadvertently

21:00:32 asciilifeform: so don't pinch!

21:00:37 mircea_popescu: i suspect that's the operational difference. yes you can't really bend sharply a dtvi cable.

21:00:45 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, you CAN put a heavy item on it.

21:00:47 mircea_popescu: not so with optics.

21:00:50 asciilifeform: i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox

21:01:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform buy fiber, not like it's sold by permit.

21:01:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha but plug into what.

21:01:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 292150 @ 0.00056823 = 166.0084 BTC [+] {6}

21:01:17 asciilifeform: where is the fiber gpu ?

21:01:19 asciilifeform: fiber lcd ?

21:01:22 jurov: solder a photodoiode

21:01:23 mircea_popescu: terminators are like a coupla k's each

21:01:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and radiate like hell

21:01:37 mircea_popescu: ...

21:01:39 asciilifeform: because connected to pc with guess what! normal cable.

21:01:43 mircea_popescu: doh ?

21:01:45 asciilifeform: aha

21:01:49 asciilifeform: so wtf's the use

21:02:02 mircea_popescu: dude, you are the one that said, and i quote, <asciilifeform> i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox

21:02:07 mircea_popescu: then tujrns out that's not what you wantg.

21:02:10 asciilifeform: (also they all have ludicrous res limit)

21:02:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't 'doesn't radiate' if you need a terminator plugged with normal copper, that does

21:02:45 jurov: and do you have tempest computer case already?

21:02:49 asciilifeform: and again, the converter box imposes idiot limits on res/refresh

21:03:09 asciilifeform: jurov: this is not hard

21:03:21 asciilifeform: it is peripherals which are tricky

21:03:24 asciilifeform: hence the thread.

21:03:27 mircea_popescu: ima bow out of this convo.

21:04:43 asciilifeform: a replacement controller pcb for ibm keyboard that does 'toslink' instead of ps/2, i would buy.

21:04:47 asciilifeform: would jurov ?

21:04:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ?

21:05:14 mircea_popescu: notrly.

21:05:22 jurov: maaybe if the keyboard was shielded, too

21:05:38 jurov: best if both em and acoustically

21:05:44 asciilifeform: jurov: it is possible to make a trivial mod that obviates the need for shielding the scan matrix

21:05:53 asciilifeform: the answer:

21:05:58 asciilifeform: include rng.

21:06:01 asciilifeform: thinkaboutit

21:06:10 asciilifeform: presently there is a predictable row/column scan pattern

21:06:24 asciilifeform: which is why you can 'hear' a pc keyboard from 30+ metres.

21:06:54 asciilifeform: anyway iirc we had this thread some time before.

21:07:12 jurov: yes. but how would toslink help there

21:07:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406125 << this is actually quite an important point.

21:07:14 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 16:04:22; trinque: shinohai: I mean specifically that they see all things as prohibited, aside exceptions you "get to"

21:07:21 mircea_popescu: da fuck is this "get to" nonsense.

21:07:43 jurov: does the 1,5m usb cable radiate so much?

21:08:10 asciilifeform: btw, further thread necromancy, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-02-2016#1399548 << this is misguided, no one goes around with stereotypical 'black van' any longer, the gear is pocket-sized (knapsack at the most)

21:08:10 assbot: Logged on 08-02-2016 00:13:06; mircea_popescu: sure. i've been hoping to do some snuff videos of "operatives" caught with gear for years now.

21:08:22 asciilifeform: even nazis had 'gurtelpeiler'

21:08:38 asciilifeform: jurov yes

21:08:58 mircea_popescu: better make sure it fits in ass

21:09:05 mircea_popescu: cuz that's exactly where it's going. repeatedly.

21:09:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me of 'file off that front sight'

21:09:30 asciilifeform: (traditional ru greeting to fella with bad aim)

21:09:35 mircea_popescu: aha.

21:09:55 mircea_popescu: the point remains : acquiring and defending sovereignity, cheaper than trying to perfect anonimity.

21:09:59 asciilifeform: anyway if the 'ant catalogue' (per snowden2) is to be believed, it ~does~ fit in arse...

21:10:17 mircea_popescu: from this fundamental inequality all things follow, such as god fucking help you if you try to play the field agent with me.

21:10:49 shinohai: !rate asciilifeform 2 trb and general wizard, slayer of enemies of the Republic both foreign and domestic.

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21:11:31 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for asciilifeform with note: trb and general wizard, slayer of enemies of the Republic both foreign and domestic.

21:11:35 asciilifeform: l0l

21:11:47 jurov: replacing of usb cables with proper shielding might get the stuff done and easier to do than optic

21:12:38 mircea_popescu: jurov at the rate he's going, the only sane aproach is to redo the wallpaper, in mesh.

21:12:51 asciilifeform: jurov: you will find that good shielding is tricky, you get leakage over the supply rail

21:12:58 BingoBoingo: Nah, solid steel walls catch more spectrum

21:13:03 mircea_popescu: which incidentally is exactly how this problem is approached profesionally, insulate a room.

21:13:13 asciilifeform: and over the ground (which, as mircea_popescu likes to remind us, has an impedance)

21:13:14 BingoBoingo: room inside a room

21:13:36 jurov: so supply it with battery

21:14:12 asciilifeform: jurov: before very long, fiber looks cheap

21:14:35 jurov: "looks"

21:14:35 asciilifeform: certainly compared to 'faraday room'

21:15:00 mircea_popescu: why is faraday room expensive ? aluminum siding, legitimate industree.

21:15:03 mircea_popescu: no mlm at all!

21:15:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i, like everybody else, know how to solve the problem expensively.

21:15:13 asciilifeform: i was discussing how it could be solved inexpensively.

21:15:15 shinohai: !rate mircea_popescu 2 Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert. Have learned much from reading his offerings.

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21:15:18 jurov: and optocouplers leak nothing?

21:15:40 asciilifeform: jurov: shielding a cm^2 thing is cheap?

21:15:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, you know how to solve the problem but don't want to because not enough engineering involved.

21:15:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: being able to build anything whatsoever room-scale is a 'not for poorfag' thing

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21:15:57 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 1 to 2 with note: Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert. Have learned much from reading his offerings.

21:16:08 mircea_popescu: much like say a social worker would be "oh, this solution doesn't provide work for enough social workers"

21:16:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no, it is 'this solution requires money'

21:17:24 mircea_popescu: mno.

21:17:43 asciilifeform: say i want machine that does not radiate, ~under the open sky~

21:17:53 asciilifeform: because unlike mircea_popescu , i do not have a mobile aluminum dirigible cabin.

21:18:57 mircea_popescu: would you stop trying to support this insane lifestyle of "i need laptop" ?

21:18:57 asciilifeform: note, it is an entirely legit thing, to design for dirigible, for reactor. but i do not have these things. so i don't design for them.

21:19:00 mircea_popescu: it is not a way to live.

21:19:07 mircea_popescu: it already forces you to eat from the latrine.

21:19:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you even knew what other things i do that are 'no way to live'

21:19:45 mircea_popescu: you'll never have a good laptop. it is not possible.

21:20:07 asciilifeform: was possible in 1995

21:20:12 asciilifeform: ergo still is.

21:20:27 mircea_popescu: you'll also not have easy, meaningless sex with random women that you enjoy. and you won't be able to eat from garbage cans and always find exactly what you wanted to find in there.

21:20:45 mircea_popescu: the solution to these faux problems is always the same, "don't want very much". which will make random offering perfectly fine.

21:20:49 mircea_popescu: but then you don't want to be a mouse.

21:22:31 jurov: !up dooglus

21:22:44 jurov: btw, your brain leaks, too

21:22:57 asciilifeform: jurov: go and pick it up.

21:23:22 asciilifeform: (pretty sure 'squid' still requires shaving heads, a mm or so max)

21:26:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fact is, i'm not a mircea_popescu , and i design and build out of materials that i can have , rather than what i would have if i were a mircea_popescu .

21:26:30 mircea_popescu: this is not properly called "designing".

21:26:40 mircea_popescu: "we don't have iron, so we make swords of the reeds we have" is not sense.

21:26:58 jurov: if you can't design yourself, don't tell us it would be cheap

21:27:22 mircea_popescu: jurov "they don't succeed at making money, but that's secondary - they succeed at feeling like a trader".

21:30:24 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/02/4th-amendment-champion-dies-under-uncertain-circumstances/#comment-46429

21:30:26 assbot: 4th Amendment Champion Dies Under Uncertain Circumstances | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1oktGZB )

21:34:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187150 @ 0.00056093 = 104.978 BTC [-] {7}

21:37:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406186 << notrealy. the other ingredient is never beating the kids.

21:37:05 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:03:19; asciilifeform: that'd be a global plague, affecting all fat & comfortable folks everywhere ?

21:37:12 mircea_popescu: which is a peculiar weird of the us/canada.

21:38:48 shinohai: BingoBoingo: Shouldn't line read "cessation of continued heart beats" ?

21:39:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406191 << that's not it. some people have WHOM TO PROVE THEOREMS TO!

21:39:37 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:04:21; asciilifeform: it suggests that erdos was right, most people 'have no theorems to prove', the idiot social stotting game ~is~ the point of living, to them.

21:39:43 mircea_popescu: most people just scream into a void.

21:40:37 adlai: this is why markets are excellent... they're the dissertation committee that never goes home

21:41:14 mircea_popescu: or ever makes any sense.

21:41:42 mircea_popescu: ask newton if he more enjoyed his time with the euro jet set that recognized the lion by his claw ; or with the domestic merchant class that drove the south sea bubble.

21:42:16 adlai: eh, markets make sense quite often, trouble is milking out the sense before the market understands itself

21:43:37 adlai: (change-class goban 'ouija)

21:44:34 mircea_popescu: "making sense quite often" is like the cipher that mostly works lol

21:45:55 asciilifeform: l0l

21:46:18 adlai: on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everycipher drops to mostly

21:46:51 asciilifeform: me ok i'll bite!

21:46:57 asciilifeform: to ~whom~ does perelman prove ?

21:47:15 adlai: if you're better at quantifying how much sense a market's making to you, than other traders, then you stand to earn more, more often, than them.

21:47:28 adlai: even without "understanding" it in any deterministic sense

21:47:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is why he doesn't.

21:47:33 mircea_popescu: he has no friends.

21:47:51 mircea_popescu: that's the fucking thing there. "some people have no theorems to prove ; most people have no friends that'd know a proof"

21:48:02 *: adlai goes back to slinging conses, because he's "not good enough to sling dope"

21:48:19 mircea_popescu: i didn't go to school every morning i knew the other kids would show up because "i had theorems to prove"

21:48:28 mircea_popescu: i went because when we were all together it was pretty cool.

21:49:44 adlai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNTltOGh5c

21:49:45 assbot: Miles Davis - So What - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1okwJ43 )

21:50:35 *: asciilifeform grasps where mircea_popescu is going with this

21:50:37 mircea_popescu: ahaha check that out kakobrekla bitbet is nao famous.

21:51:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the lulzy part is that my misfired 5b played a part in this

21:51:12 mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy. nicely done :)

21:51:30 *: mircea_popescu is tempted to bet himself now.

21:54:00 thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/45xz0s/hi_im_a_user/ << "Consumers have come to expect" in the wild.

21:54:03 thestringpuller: "They shouldn't have to care. They're users. The entire point of being a user is not having to care."

21:54:44 mircea_popescu: nice epitaph for heroin addict.

21:54:51 BingoBoingo: shinohai: ty fxd

21:54:52 mircea_popescu: "he was a user, he never cared, which is the point."

21:55:10 asciilifeform: technical term is - 'luser'

21:55:25 asciilifeform: pronounced 'ell-user'

21:56:02 BingoBoingo: !up Gentilhomme

21:57:21 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nice epitaph for heroin addict. << Note the shared self destructiveness of the illnesses. To be a "user" is to plot a fatal course.

21:58:00 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: "In Internet slang, a luser (sometimes expanded to local user; also luzer or luzzer) is a painfully annoying, stupid, or irritating computer user."

21:59:49 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller notreally. it's just a dude that expects computers to be metaphysical objects not made of discrete parts.

22:01:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406226 << works regularly, yes.

22:01:16 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:15:15; asciilifeform: (did this ever actually work...?)

22:02:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406230 << yes, but the higher up on the scale, the higher the reasonableness of confidence either way while also closer to mats' hose.

22:02:03 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:22:55; asciilifeform: mats: as i understand, 'alphago' is a corporate operation, with many folks involved, all over the pay scale.

22:04:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406244 <<< actually i'm persuaded ai's learning, if actually present, is in principle not translatable to "human terms" ie some readily fih heuristic.

22:04:14 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:33:11; *: adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms

22:04:40 asciilifeform: aha, dragonfly.

22:05:30 asciilifeform: skinner did not have nn, he instead taught pigeon to fly a rocket bomb. and did not ask the pigion how he did it, also.

22:06:32 mircea_popescu: technically pigeon was nn

22:06:39 adlai: mircea_popescu: only reason i ignore my unqualification to comment on this topic is that some dude showed up at the local bitcoin wateringhole to demo his luser-friendly stockfish interpreter

22:06:56 mircea_popescu: lol

22:07:33 adlai: (stockfish is https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish )

22:07:34 assbot: GitHub - official-stockfish/Stockfish: UCI chess engine ... ( http://bit.ly/1oi1VjA )

22:07:34 asciilifeform: wat's stockfish?

22:07:37 asciilifeform: hm

22:08:30 adlai: dude's illusory relevance to bitcoin was looking for some in order to polish the thing off; which is ironic, because it was quite polished already! unclear where to insert coin.

22:10:10 asciilifeform: adlai: where do you find these folks.

22:11:54 *: adlai just babysits the watering hole and the folks find their way in... it's right across from the stock exchange, people literally walk in and ask "didn't bitcoin die last year"

22:11:58 asciilifeform: and what's a bitcoin watering hole?

22:12:06 adlai: http://www.bitembassy.org/

22:12:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152700 @ 0.00056883 = 86.8603 BTC [+] {5}

22:13:12 adlai: most relevant&explanatory nonsense pasted in its bathroom is https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/42535 which i didn't post myself but strongly identify with

22:13:14 assbot: Quote by Joseph Heller: “Actually there were many officers' clubs that Y...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1okAoii )

22:22:51 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406248 << you recall my discussion of magic and its advantages ?

22:22:51 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:36:26; asciilifeform: nn works until it 'doesn't want to', at which point - doesn't.

22:24:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406252 <<< ahjahaha what in the everloving ?

22:24:36 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:37:44; jurov: and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?!

22:24:43 mircea_popescu: only root can read that anyway.

22:26:05 deedbot-: [Qntra] Pravda: Missing Batteries Led Billion Dollar Blimp Astray - http://qntra.net/2016/02/pravda-missing-batteries-led-billion-dollar-blimp-astray/

22:27:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406275 << this is not actually true.

22:27:39 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 19:04:00; kakobrekla: thinking anyone at google is even aware of bitbet is delusional.

22:28:59 mircea_popescu: lol mp-complete.

22:29:04 mircea_popescu: nice work keeping it together kako :)

22:29:26 asciilifeform: a problem is mp-complete if its solution requires being mircea_popescu !

22:29:32 mircea_popescu: and in more of the same news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/cffa17602be167edc880c4d98319ab81/tumblr_mm6dffZQnM1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg

22:29:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1okC9fd )

22:29:46 asciilifeform: it is mp-hard if it requires merely being phriendz with mircea_popescu ...

22:29:49 mircea_popescu: glasses! let's see if this makes alf say she has an expression! maybe he only digs intellectual chix

22:30:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i suppose the problem of ages is whether cunt is mp-complete or merely mp-hard ?

22:31:10 asciilifeform: possibly.

22:33:47 asciilifeform: i suppose i got it backwards

22:33:52 asciilifeform: mp-hard - requires being mp.

22:35:15 mircea_popescu: everyone gets it backwards when mp's hard!

22:35:28 asciilifeform: l0l!

22:37:17 mircea_popescu: !up kefkius

22:40:53 asciilifeform: http://www.nada.kth.se/~viggo/problemlist/compendium.html << related...

22:40:54 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1oi7qib )

22:47:31 jurov: BingoBoingo: The Billion Dollar blimp which WAS the victim

22:47:46 jurov: now you have to send me one share :)

22:51:53 BingoBoingo: ty jurov

22:55:56 mircea_popescu: lol

23:02:35 *: BingoBoingo rearranging booksshelves, because seems like most practical way to make reading list

23:03:04 jurov: !up dbclk

23:05:25 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's on your list ?

23:09:55 shinohai: The blimp article is just priceless BingoBoingo

23:11:27 danielpbarron: yeah i lolled

23:14:14 mircea_popescu: lol not bad

23:24:21 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406303 << wouldn't you get nasty diffraction at micron level

23:24:21 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 19:58:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405966 << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face.

23:25:34 asciilifeform: punkman: more holes than pixels.

23:25:38 asciilifeform: think aperture grille on crt.

23:25:39 mircea_popescu: many many holes

23:25:41 asciilifeform: aha

23:26:44 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll take a picture once I get it sorted. Some things like SICP have yet to be acquired.

23:27:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you can read sicp for phree on www

23:27:41 asciilifeform: (not even pdfated!11)

23:27:58 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I saw, but I like to scribble.

23:27:58 asciilifeform: the films are also on www

23:28:05 asciilifeform: (yes there was a film series)

23:28:23 BingoBoingo: scribble, place postit notes, etc.

23:28:32 asciilifeform: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures << them

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23:28:37 BingoBoingo: hard to do with www

23:29:38 asciilifeform: interestingly, these were filmed when some american megacorp (hp?) sent (1980s) its employees to get sicp'd

23:29:46 asciilifeform: hence the adult audience visible in the foreground

23:31:23 BingoBoingo: Not too uncommon. At Carbondale one graduate class I took on (John) Dewey was filled with Chinese students sent by the Party to get Pragmatized.

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23:39:11 asciilifeform: nasa is great to learn from if you have 1) infinite budget 2) tolerance for occasional catastrophe

23:39:21 asciilifeform: otherwise snore.

23:40:22 BingoBoingo: Let us not forget occasional catastrophe has only become more frequent as NSA has aged

23:40:49 asciilifeform: waiwut

23:41:29 BingoBoingo: Old NASA has Apollo 1 as its sole mega catastrophe (Apollo 13 counts instead as elegant save). New NASA lost two space shuttles.

23:43:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phun phakt: the su 'manned moon' prototype rockets exploded - all 4 of'em - for no particularly good reason.

23:43:48 asciilifeform: largest rockets ever built.

23:44:02 asciilifeform: (depending on how measured)

23:44:07 BingoBoingo: They exploded for good reason. Entropy tends to find a way.

23:44:18 asciilifeform: esp. if helped.

23:44:20 BingoBoingo: Even if that way is CIA mole

23:45:31 asciilifeform: recall also that these were primarily 'super' mirv rockets.

23:45:45 asciilifeform: as in, 1+ cone for every u.s. metropolis.

23:45:52 ben_vulpes: STAND BACK

23:45:54 asciilifeform: (or rather, prototypes thereof)

23:45:56 ben_vulpes: I'M CARBONATING WINE

23:48:18 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The 30 or so rockets in first stage was likely ill advised.

23:50:30 BingoBoingo: 30 irv's prolly fine. 30 mega kerosene openings at the bottom seems like invitation to problem.

23:55:11 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406651 < i am not sure 2. is avoidable in the current state of affairs

23:55:11 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 23:39:11; asciilifeform: nasa is great to learn from if you have 1) infinite budget 2) tolerance for occasional catastrophe

23:57:42 mircea_popescu: has ben_vulpes discovered spritz ?

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