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00:03:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00096218 = 1.3471 BTC [+]

00:03:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.0075 = 0.1125 BTC [+]

00:05:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00485 = 0.2813 BTC [+] {2}

00:07:06 nubbins`: ;;calc 50/[ticker --last]

00:07:08 gribble: 0.108117458807

00:11:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00096237 = 9.2388 BTC [+] {2}

00:12:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 830 @ 0.0075 = 6.225 BTC [+]

00:19:23 nubbins`: thestringpuller: there's a fraudsters article, one sec

00:19:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8305 @ 0.00011047 = 0.9175 BTC [-] {13}

00:19:57 nubbins`: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-stock-warrant-instrument-explained/

00:19:58 ozbot: The Stock Warrant instrument explained pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:20:04 nubbins`: http://fraudsters.com/2013/proper-accounting-for-stock-warrants/

00:20:04 ozbot: Proper accounting for stock warrants pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:20:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6527 @ 0.00009727 = 0.6349 BTC [-] {11}

00:21:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16491 @ 0.00096247 = 15.8721 BTC [+]

00:40:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00010018 = 0.2004 BTC [+] {2}

00:48:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534999 BTC [+]

00:49:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534999 BTC [+]

00:50:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534999 BTC [+]

00:59:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0305111 = 0.3051 BTC [-] {2}

01:00:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.030511 = 0.3051 BTC [-] {2}

01:02:25 thestringpuller: ;;calc ( 0.00096482 - 0.00095473 ) / 0.00096482

01:02:26 gribble: 0.0104579092473

01:04:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2404 @ 0.00010099 = 0.2428 BTC [+] {2}

01:05:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1861 @ 0.00010099 = 0.1879 BTC [+] {2}

01:05:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06699976 = 0.134 BTC [+]

01:08:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00095545 = 12.7075 BTC [-] {4}

01:18:53 asciilifeform: http://www.businessinsider.com/malaysia-plane-lithium-ion-batteries-2014-3

01:18:53 ozbot: Malaysia Plane Was Carrying Lithium-Ion Batteries - Business Insider

01:18:54 asciilifeform: but!

01:19:02 asciilifeform: http://www.customsinfo.com/Industry-Blog/bid/162527/New-Regulations-for-Shipping-Li-ion-Batteries

01:19:03 ozbot: New Regulations for Shipping Li-ion Batteries

01:19:21 asciilifeform: (tldr - all planes have 'hazardous battery!111!' in cargo manifest)

01:20:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096321 = 4.2381 BTC [+] {3}

01:27:18 nubbins`: !up adolf_fishler

01:27:18 assbot: Voicing adolf_fishler for 30 minutes.

01:27:31 nubbins`: i gave it a chance

01:27:39 nubbins`: nicolas cage is such a bad actor

01:27:54 adolf_fishler: lol

01:27:57 TestingUnoDosTre: <asciilifeform> laughable at best - "ICAO does not consider these changes will necessarily reduce incidents involving lithium batteries; but they will significantly improve safety."

01:28:00 adolf_fishler: its one of his best

01:28:02 adolf_fishler: i swear!

01:28:09 nubbins`: unfortunately i'll never know

01:28:14 adolf_fishler: :(

01:28:24 adolf_fishler: when did we start needing voice in here?

01:28:25 asciilifeform: adolf_fishler get in the wot.

01:28:37 asciilifeform: mein fuhrer.

01:28:55 adolf_fishler: hehe. das fuhrer.

01:29:16 adolf_fishler: the hitlers were a good people

01:30:36 adolf_fishler: http://m.circlevilletoday.com/news/hitlers-were-county-pioneers/article_2a6487b2-a34a-55f4-83f4-dfcf116d15d5.html?mode=jqm

01:30:37 ozbot: Hitlers were county pioneers - News - CircleVilleToday.com

01:30:50 adolf_fishler: Dr. Gay Hitler, son of George Washington Hitler, was a local dentist, serving our community from 1922 through 1946 from his office on West Main Street.

01:30:51 adolf_fishler: LOL

01:30:57 adolf_fishler: i cant not laugh at that every time

01:33:30 asciilifeform: TestingUnoDosTre: found the battery crap when mailing a package and they now ask 'no lithium batteries, swear?'

01:34:11 asciilifeform: apparently, it is now forbidden to mail... electric watch.

01:34:34 TestingUnoDosTre: how about laptops/tablets/phones, etc?

01:34:47 asciilifeform: theoretically - them, too

01:36:41 TestingUnoDosTre: Not that I condone sheer stupidity, but this was a major ripoff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nztzwMiQTaI

01:45:53 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A number of watches still use silver oxide cells...

01:46:14 nubbins`: ah, quantity discounts

01:46:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's been years since i saw one for sale.

01:46:35 nubbins`: added 4 extra shirts to an order, saved $15 by doing so

01:47:42 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I changed watch batteries at a mall kiosk years back. I still see them on the shelves. There's still many available

01:47:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.00275116 = 0.11 BTC [+] {3}

01:47:55 asciilifeform: mostly li cells in same form factor, afaik

01:48:08 BingoBoingo: http://www.amazon.com/Renata-Silver-Oxide-Battery-Button/dp/B001C19TI0

01:48:10 ozbot: Amazon.com: Renata Silver Oxide Watch Battery For Renata 364 Button Cell: Watches

01:48:15 asciilifeform: neato

01:48:41 BingoBoingo: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-364-SR621SW-Silver-Battery/dp/B002E0S2RC/ref=pd_sbs_watch_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1PPZHV3BNTZ8YWK2NC9V

01:48:43 ozbot: Amazon.com: Sony 364 SR621SW 1.55V Silver Oxide Watch Battery (Pack of 5): Electronics

01:49:40 BingoBoingo: Now... A lot of similar batteries in the same form factor will emit the long form labeling and the naming tends to be less complete.

01:53:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if it's safe enough for the road it can't not be safe enough for teh planes :D

01:54:14 asciilifeform: strikes me as a scheme to provide convenient excuse for fire

01:54:25 asciilifeform: 'it had lithium cells in the cargo!'

01:54:45 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: A number of watches still use silver oxide cells... << the better ones, anyway.

01:54:46 nubbins`: "i used lithium before it was in cells"

01:54:56 asciilifeform: post office slave claimed they were made to watch 'training' films of burning planes

01:56:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo omit :D to emit is the act committed by the emittor of emissions, whereas to omit is the act of the omittor of omissions

01:56:51 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But omission is a swell way to transfer information

01:57:38 mircea_popescu: hehe

01:58:16 nubbins`: ^ never to recommend a bad movie again

01:58:27 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/cryptostocks-satoshi-poker-ipo.178199/

01:58:29 ozbot: [CryptoStocks] Satoshi Poker IPO | Bitcointa.lk

01:58:32 BingoBoingo: Chicken wings, then wyngz, wyngs don't sell... revert to chicken

01:58:36 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/satoshi-poker-entire-business-2-day-auction.298910/

01:58:37 BingoBoingo: SOmethings

01:58:38 ozbot: Satoshi Poker - Entire business - 2 day auction | Bitcointa.lk

01:58:53 nubbins`: hm, titles say it all

01:58:57 mircea_popescu: if anyone's patient enough, compare the auction result to the ipo proceeds

02:00:49 BingoBoingo: I think the Seals breach pretty much killed BTC poker.

02:01:30 BingoBoingo: That and the run up to $1200/BTC

02:01:35 mircea_popescu: you need someone actually competent for a field to exist.

02:01:46 mircea_popescu: preferably multiple people, but 1 is a forced minimum

02:02:18 asciilifeform: http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/oxford-electric-bell

02:02:18 ozbot: Oxford Electric Bell

02:02:23 asciilifeform: now that's a battery one can respect.

02:03:02 nubbins`: not sure if this was discussed earlier:

02:03:04 nubbins`: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--xvhmGvYv--/qstimhyd89loxvqvobji.jpg

02:08:11 mircea_popescu: that's gotta be fake.

02:08:11 mircea_popescu: !up MobGod

02:08:11 assbot: Voicing MobGod for 30 minutes.

02:08:48 danielpbarron: what seals breach?

02:09:06 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Happened months ago

02:09:12 danielpbarron: oh, that

02:09:16 danielpbarron: that was nothing

02:09:42 mircea_popescu: pankkake prosecuting poor satoshipoker guy. WHY R U SUCH A TROAL!

02:09:50 nubbins`: mircea_popescu sadly no, copypasta fail

02:10:10 mircea_popescu: ahaha that stupid chick is cursed huh.

02:10:23 nubbins`: https://twitter.com/USAirways/status/455789281894604800

02:10:25 ozbot: Twitter / USAirways: We apologize for an inappropriate ...

02:10:29 mircea_popescu: they probably accidentally sent her a care package full of dongs

02:10:33 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: It read like a pretty big something

02:10:42 nubbins`: apparently the original picture was a tweet directed at american airlines

02:11:04 nubbins`: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--w6MSH7Dt--/k6z9acgdcqu5lqje4vpq.jpg

02:11:08 mircea_popescu: Retweets 11,598 Favorites 8,793 << dude us folk are weird. the actual pic never got 11k retweets wtf.

02:11:12 mircea_popescu: vicarious living!

02:11:20 nubbins`: ^ this one almost caused pascale to pass out from laughter

02:12:35 BingoBoingo: !up MobGod

02:12:35 assbot: Voicing MobGod for 30 minutes.

02:15:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00481984 = 0.1253 BTC [+] {2}

02:16:52 mircea_popescu: "Total owed to players: 19 BTC in player balances in the system, 3.9 BTC in pending withdrawals (I will cover these funds out of the buying price so after buying, company will have 0 liabilities towards its players, software companies or whatsoever)"

02:17:06 mircea_popescu: so i guess the guy's insolvent and that's his way of breaking the news ?

02:17:52 mircea_popescu: Satoshi Poker has $118.50/mo net operational costs for the rent of a dedicated server and VPS webhosting package (website and gameserver/bitcoin systems are hosted seperately for security reasons)

02:18:59 mircea_popescu: After working on the project for the past year, sacrificing my other businesses, investing a lot of time and money and running into personal debts to get it to where it is today, I don't have the time or personal stability to move the business forward to its full potential. Since november I have been working with no marketing budget and no development budget and for the future of SP it is better if somebody with a new

02:18:59 mircea_popescu: vision and a budget steps in and takes over. At this moment there is a deficit in player funds, and I would be able to cover them by taking out another bank loan but at this point I would rather sell it and cover all balances from the buying price, as it is pointless to run an internet business with no marketing or development budgets and basically working full time to maintain the just under $1000 in monthly turnover.

02:19:07 mircea_popescu: this'll be good for later linkage.

02:19:19 mircea_popescu: I have to look for a project that gives me a paycheck and allows me more time to spend with my girlfriend who had a miscarriage while i was sitting in the waiting room in the hospital working on SP...

02:19:48 mike_c: seems like a reasonable attempt at an orderly shutdown though. not bad for a failing btc business.

02:20:29 mircea_popescu: mike_c guy could have gone a lot further if he actually used his chances rather than thinking he's smarter that everyone. that's the tragedy part of this drama here.

02:20:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2013#352196

02:20:57 mike_c: ah. i don't know the backstory

02:20:58 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

02:22:19 mircea_popescu: Starting bid of the auction is 30 BTC. Payment of buy is completely in bitcoin, of which 22.9 BTC has to be done to the hot wallet so buyer can see that in fact the balances are covered and remainder has to be sent to me to settle with SP's current investors.

02:22:41 mircea_popescu: the "investors" that were fed a 4k btc minimum for a 20k btc valuation are going to be dealt with out of...

02:22:52 mircea_popescu: 8 btc. no wait. 7. seven and change.

02:23:06 kakobrekla: he already made buyback soem time ago or smth.

02:23:19 mircea_popescu: for a satoshi ?

02:23:23 mircea_popescu: !up xdotcommer

02:23:23 assbot: Voicing xdotcommer for 30 minutes.

02:23:38 kakobrekla: https://cryptostocks.com/securities/55

02:23:54 kakobrekla: 08 Nov 11:03 SATOSHI has been delisted. Shareholders will be receiving email notifications.

02:23:54 kakobrekla: 02 Nov 10:34 Satoshi Poker will delist its asset on CryptoStocks as its team is unreachable. Shares will be bought back at 0.001 share price, giving its shareholders 25% ROI

02:23:54 kakobrekla: 24 Oct 23:14 Satoshi Poker changed its share structure and share prices. Please see the asset description for more information

02:23:54 kakobrekla: 24 Oct 22:44 Satoshi Poker announces a buyback to IPO under better conditions. More info will follow later today

02:23:56 kakobrekla: 24 Oct 22:44 Satoshi Poker announces a buyback to IPO under better conditions. More info will follow later today

02:23:59 kakobrekla: 17 Oct 08:20 Satoshi Poker Going Public ! Buy Shares Today .0002 ! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=312764.0

02:24:01 mircea_popescu: Market cap. 41,856.72

02:24:17 mircea_popescu: srsly. market cap 41k, can't get 30 btc on an open auction.

02:24:46 mircea_popescu: wait this can't be right

02:25:07 mircea_popescu: "Satoshi Poker has been delisted and shares have been bought back at 0.001 due to non response of cryptostocks customer service which was harming our IPO"

02:25:08 mircea_popescu: lmao epic

02:26:01 mircea_popescu: so wait. how is a 50% loss come to a 25% roi ?!

02:26:09 mircea_popescu: is this some magical usagi accounting ?

02:27:35 BingoBoingo: Has to be

02:30:20 mircea_popescu: so basically cryptostocks is the stock exchange of the future which was judged too low quality by a guy who was running an asset predicated on taking in two beans, giving back one bean a week later and claiming this is 25% roi.

02:30:35 mircea_popescu: perhaps one could go lower than that, but for the time being i can't imagine how.

02:30:54 mircea_popescu: "yo momma's so ugly not even fungus eats her" ?

02:31:39 BingoBoingo: Yo mamma's so dirty the gangrene left her

02:32:38 mircea_popescu: lol

02:36:15 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlOryKUCYAAX4vZ.jpg

02:36:26 mircea_popescu: these are apartments the chinese built and nobody wants.

02:37:02 mircea_popescu: talk about a real estate problem.

02:37:13 TestingUnoDosTre: is that for real?

02:37:22 BingoBoingo: Kind of like the gambling forum on Bitcointalk, full of sites and projects no one wants

02:37:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00522955 = 0.523 BTC [+] {5}

02:38:06 TestingUnoDosTre: this chinese ghost town myth isn't just american commie propaganda?

02:38:30 BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Well there's a bunch of recent construction american ghost towns as well

02:38:39 mircea_popescu: yup, quite fo real.

02:38:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.005335 = 0.1174 BTC [+]

02:38:49 asciilifeform: we have these right here.

02:39:02 asciilifeform: thousands of condos, maybe 1 in 10 windows lights up at night.

02:39:11 asciilifeform: and the bezzlers build more, more...

02:39:45 asciilifeform: (which, interestingly, affects the prices not at all.)

02:39:59 asciilifeform: 300k+, whether there are 10 or 100 empties nearby.

02:40:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had the opportunity to laugh my ass off at a schmuck last week. son of a friend with this pushy, clueless fiancee. she wants them to buy (mostly on his mother's dough) an apt in this building

02:40:30 BingoBoingo: Full subdivisions, never occupied, each home still for sale, no more than a couple homes from each listed at any given time, the houses take turns in the MLS listings

02:40:33 mircea_popescu: i'm like don't be fucktarded already, nobody EVER bought there, what's wroing with you

02:40:48 mircea_popescu: she's like, wtf am i talking about, there's like, lights at night and everything.

02:41:03 asciilifeform: they don't bother rigging the lights here.

02:41:05 mircea_popescu: a phone call and twenny minutes later, i introduce them to the cabdriver who turns on the lights each night

02:42:06 mircea_popescu: i lol because, well, in typical style of the earlier quoted clueless "businessman" in his own head, they came up for sale once, in late 2009. they wanted x. i made an offer, roughly 0.15 x

02:42:10 mircea_popescu: they had an aneurism.

02:42:39 mircea_popescu: then it came up for sale about twice a year, i never bothered to make offers again, but i have little doubt it'll continue indefinitely.

02:43:02 TestingUnoDosTre: where are you talking about?

02:43:11 TestingUnoDosTre: still china?

02:43:28 mircea_popescu: i was talking of timisoara, right now, and asciilifeform of some northeast us i guess

02:43:36 asciilifeform: incidentally, tomorrow is celebrated the greatest american bezzle holiday - tax day

02:43:52 mircea_popescu: i know, because http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#c2775

02:43:56 asciilifeform: where miscreants who minimize their bezzle radiation exposure get to pay double

02:44:14 asciilifeform: (in usa, mortgages, for instance, are deducted from taxable income - rent isn't. etc)

02:44:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rent is, if you're renting as a company.

02:44:38 mircea_popescu: which theoretically you can't do for living space (must be commercial)

02:44:43 mircea_popescu: except you can if it's a perk for employees,

02:44:47 mircea_popescu: except regulations apply.

02:44:47 mircea_popescu: etc.

02:45:01 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's msot of the us, but in different ways. Sometimes condos, sometime subdivisions (probably a part of what makes the rentalstarter thing possible-ish)

02:45:01 asciilifeform: if you try to get it 'as human' you generally get your arse handed to you.

02:45:04 TestingUnoDosTre: was just talking to a self proclaimed business man at the bar today, telling me I had to be creative while filing my taxes

02:46:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness : if you tried to get anything "As a barbarian" 2k years ago, also.

02:46:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i rent commercial space also, and know this.

02:47:59 asciilifeform: another interesting fact about tax in usa (perhaps everyone already knows) - income above a certain sum is taxed at 40-50%

02:48:30 asciilifeform: but that's enough about our national holiday.

02:52:35 mircea_popescu: http://www.openmarket.org/2014/04/14/first-ever-constitutional-ruling-against-dodd-frank-voids-destructive-conflict-minerals-section/?utm_content=buffer15f7d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

02:52:36 ozbot: First Ever Constitutional Ruling against Dodd-Frank Voids Destructive “Conflict Minerals” Sectio

02:52:43 mircea_popescu: apaprently dodd-frank is getting shut down i nthe courts.

02:57:18 mircea_popescu: in other news, global warming hits chicago

02:57:19 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlN2ol3CMAAg2N1.jpg

02:57:24 mircea_popescu: (april 14th)

02:58:18 asciilifeform: global worming.

02:58:21 BingoBoingo: I've heard such things. We are supposed to dip below freezing around St Louis

03:02:03 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay " where there is no recourse for crime" is perhaps a generalisation in the wrong direction. crime will probably be redefined to mean "of the body", ie, assault. stuff of the mind goes the way you contemplate.

03:02:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:08:22 ThickAsThieves: big lols at satoshipoker

03:08:32 ThickAsThieves: those guys are SUPER douchebags

03:08:55 ThickAsThieves: cant even hold a conversation without showing it immediately

03:09:45 mircea_popescu: afaik it's one dude.

03:10:11 ThickAsThieves: i think i talked to two once, but you may be right

03:10:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3988 @ 0.00096166 = 3.8351 BTC [-]

03:10:18 danielpbarron: why is the anon dude on satoshipoker's home page showing his hand while throwing chips in? if it's time for showdown, the chips should already be in

03:11:24 mircea_popescu: maybe it's radical honesty poker

03:11:25 ThickAsThieves: they got ukyo wrapped up in it, and the bitcoin pride tshirt guy

03:11:52 nubbins`: radical honesty cards = no fun

03:11:58 ThickAsThieves: the tshirt guy was trying to sell me his stake while waiting at an airport for his flight

03:11:59 nubbins`: tried face-up cribbage the other day

03:12:13 ThickAsThieves: cuz he needed money for cavation

03:12:22 ThickAsThieves: swore it was a great deal

03:12:36 danielpbarron: one of the players at my weekly poker games likes to show his hand before showdown sometimes, to try to get other players to react and reveal info

03:13:10 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you mean in person ?!

03:13:42 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's a rational move in some circumstances, especially no limit

03:14:03 mircea_popescu: banned for this very reason, at better run tables.

03:14:04 ThickAsThieves: nah he was messaging me

03:14:13 danielpbarron: ya, I agree, but he doesn't throw chips in while doing it

03:14:16 mircea_popescu: ;;google cavation

03:14:17 gribble: Cavitation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavitation; Urban Dictionary: Cavation: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cavation; Cavitation - Merriam-Webster Online: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cavitation

03:14:19 BingoBoingo: http://thecodelesscode.com/case/66

03:14:20 ozbot: The Codeless Code:

03:14:26 ThickAsThieves: he offered to meet a few times, in miami

03:14:40 ThickAsThieves: but he was too scummy for me

03:14:55 mircea_popescu: wow that's a word ?!

03:15:09 mircea_popescu: the things i learn hanging out with you bums!!11

03:16:13 ThickAsThieves: you can thank my 6-finger typing style

03:16:32 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> but he was too scummy for me << elitism!

03:16:49 mircea_popescu: we need to come up with an equivalent convo breaker for "check your privilege"

03:16:51 ThickAsThieves: egads!

03:16:56 mircea_popescu: perhaps something with cavation in it.

03:17:00 mircea_popescu: ;;google egads

03:17:01 gribble: Urban Dictionary: egads: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=egads; Egad - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egad; egads - definition of egads by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/egads

03:17:24 mircea_popescu: that makes two.

03:17:56 mircea_popescu: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-v5MuOyxXvYo/T4mMVuu0TjI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/yX2NNj8YMMo/s1600/239+-+baby+big-eyes+suspicion.jpg

03:18:00 ThickAsThieves: just be like nubbins grandpa

03:18:40 Duffer1: !up twizt

03:18:40 assbot: Voicing twizt for 30 minutes.

03:18:44 mircea_popescu: and since we're doing this,

03:18:44 mircea_popescu: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BL_XvUUznPg/TneleM_1r8I/AAAAAAAAAJ0/oNfI7hAMN7E/s1600/Scan+playboy+1962+_Pic0051.jpg

03:19:27 twizt: ah ty

03:19:51 mircea_popescu: ello twizt

03:19:57 twizt: yo

03:20:04 twizt: i guess i need to trade with some people

03:20:05 twizt: lol

03:20:39 mircea_popescu: totally.

03:21:22 mircea_popescu: how's the hot sauce coming along ?

03:22:17 twizt: working on it

03:22:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4058 @ 0.00010591 = 0.4298 BTC [+] {5}

03:22:39 mircea_popescu: ok, i got an idea earlier today, which i'd go halves with you into.

03:22:51 Duffer1: ;;rate twizt 1 hexs and hotsauce

03:22:51 twizt: need like 30k for process schedule

03:22:52 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user twizt has been recorded.

03:22:56 mircea_popescu: the idea is this : flavoured edible lube. basically, clumps of gelatin,

03:23:05 twizt: and fda nonsense

03:23:11 mircea_popescu: you could make beacon lube, kentucky fried chicken lube,

03:23:13 twizt: organic cert

03:23:16 mircea_popescu: mcdonalds milkshake lube

03:23:21 twizt: lol y

03:23:39 twizt: that sounds disgusting

03:23:48 mircea_popescu: don;'t be silly, it'd sell like crazy

03:24:02 mircea_popescu: all the fat useless hogs that never date'd buy it to pretend like they do a lot of fucking,

03:24:11 mircea_popescu: and then guzzle it straight from the bottle while posting on reddit

03:24:32 twizt: lmao

03:24:48 twizt: nah the hot sauce is better then flavored lube

03:24:49 Duffer1: ha

03:24:54 mircea_popescu: you laugh but i'm dead serious. this could be the #1 thing sold in the states.

03:25:28 Duffer1: i dunno if you made it alcoholic i'd agree

03:25:30 twizt: im trying to get next to that bottle of ketchup and A1 sauce thats standard in most restaurants

03:25:52 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 you could make a butterscotch flavouring, an old whiskey flavouring etc

03:26:58 twizt: nah lube isnt defensive enough play for me

03:27:12 twizt: condiments index beats overall index usually by 4x+

03:27:37 mircea_popescu: dude you keep throwing numbers and shit into my clearly brilliant idea.

03:27:50 mircea_popescu: i should have just kept it secret like ninjashogun advised

03:27:54 twizt: lmao

03:27:57 mircea_popescu: </sarcasm>

03:29:28 TestingUnoDosTre: could it be spicy bacon lube?

03:29:37 mircea_popescu: defo.

03:30:09 TestingUnoDosTre: I'de throw at least a btc at that for development... and trials

03:30:16 Duffer1: MP did you ever get a hold of crazy_rabbit about that cold storage device?

03:30:21 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 nope

03:30:39 mircea_popescu: well... "cold"

03:30:45 mircea_popescu: i've never met one with a cold snatch yet.

03:30:57 mircea_popescu: i'd prolly be worried she's sick, like a dog with a warm nose.

03:31:28 mircea_popescu: twizt see above, teh power of good ideas.

03:32:15 twizt: maybe u should try it

03:33:20 mircea_popescu: if i knew someone who could mix the shit i would.

03:33:36 twizt: what do u need lube and mcdonalds?

03:33:37 twizt: lol

03:33:57 mircea_popescu: well i dunno how to make edible lube, for one,

03:34:07 mircea_popescu: and i don't know how to make mcdonalds flavouring for the other

03:36:17 mircea_popescu: !up sunshyne

03:36:17 assbot: Voicing sunshyne for 30 minutes.

03:36:34 mircea_popescu: i wonder if coca-cola could be persuaded into offering coca-cola lube to go with its coca-cola lite

03:36:34 BingoBoingo: twizt: Maybe start with ISBN-13: 978-0895827449

03:36:59 twizt: lmao

03:37:11 twizt: or buy existing product on market and add mickYDs flavor

03:37:22 twizt: pretty sure u can do a licensing agreement

03:37:38 twizt: http://www.amazon.com/ID-Juicy-Water-Based-Edible-Lubricant/dp/B0018AQR8A

03:37:39 ozbot: Amazon.com: ID Juicy Water-Based, Edible Lubricant - Assorted 10 Pack Sampler: Health & Personal Car

03:37:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC

03:38:58 TestingUnoDosTre: Alright let's do this http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Edible-Gelatin-Food-Grade_495126326.html

03:39:13 TestingUnoDosTre: only a 5000kg min order

03:39:17 twizt: lmao

03:40:14 TestingUnoDosTre: 100% from beef skin or bone. We're off to a good start

03:40:15 mod6: mcrib flavor

03:40:35 TestingUnoDosTre: That's more beef than mcd's offers, we're gonna have to get some horse gel to tone it down

03:41:41 TestingUnoDosTre: Slightly suspicious "Store in a cool dry place. Do not get in eyes, on skin, on clothing, wash thoroughly after handling"

03:42:02 mircea_popescu: wait what ?!

03:42:13 mircea_popescu: edible do not get on skin or eyes ?

03:45:06 TestingUnoDosTre: They swear it has no bovine spongiform encephalopathy... until now

03:45:15 mircea_popescu: it can't possibly.

03:49:32 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay "that things I generally assume don't need eliding " << you sure you know what eliding means ?

03:49:32 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:50:29 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;ud elide

03:50:30 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Elide | Elide. A disaster. She fell? In her high heels? What an ELIDE! by wrmvnllasgr March 08, 2011. 6 5. Mugs & shirts Buy “Elide” mugs & shirts · Random Word.

03:50:30 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Elide

03:51:25 HeySteve: I knew someone who did ok selling "marital aids"

03:51:41 HeySteve: when I met her she was a secretary at a precious metals dealer

03:51:57 mircea_popescu: wait what ?@

03:52:00 HeySteve: lost touch, next time I saw her she was at Sexpo selling a spray for tingles

03:52:23 mircea_popescu: pls tell me they weren't advertised as Marital AIDS

03:52:36 HeySteve: ha no, Viaspray or something

03:52:54 mircea_popescu: "Thank you for visiting ViaSpray SA! ViaSpray is designed for YOU!!! No matter what your age, race or gender! "

03:52:55 mircea_popescu: derp.

03:53:14 HeySteve: all SA products must carry equalism boilerplate

03:53:53 mircea_popescu: but how can it be designed for ME then

03:54:23 mircea_popescu: "bespoke clothing, no matter your waistline, height or style!"

03:54:26 HeySteve: less questions, most spritzing!

03:55:35 BingoBoingo: Seems to describe a poncho

03:56:06 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo or a denim vest

04:01:02 mircea_popescu: anyway, laters!

04:01:02 BingoBoingo: I wonder if that bitcoin buttplug is coming in multiple sizes

04:01:02 TestingUnoDosTre: and textures!

04:01:04 TestingUnoDosTre: They said there was a way to tell if it was unique

04:04:35 thestringpuller: ;;calc ( 0.00096237 - 0.00095711 ) / 0.00096237

04:04:36 gribble: 0.00546567328574

04:07:13 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

04:07:13 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095391 / 0.00095966 / 0.00096593 (509702 shares, 489.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096846 / 0.00101 (3334383 shares, 3,229.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00092699 / 0.00101 (23205346 shares, 21,511.35 BTC)

04:09:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522 = 0.1044 BTC [-]

04:11:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1569 BTC [+]

04:11:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00096166 = 10.4821 BTC [-]

04:12:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1569 BTC [+]

04:14:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0522999 = 0.2615 BTC [+]

04:16:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0522999 = 0.8368 BTC [+]

04:17:33 BingoBoingo: Seekurity http://thecodelesscode.com/case/87

04:19:03 TestingUnoDosTre: what the in the hayl

04:19:42 BingoBoingo: Jurov posted a link to this thing earlier and nao I'm reading it all

04:20:31 TestingUnoDosTre: I liked how it was written, just very strange

04:22:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00095512 = 14.4223 BTC [-] {2}

04:23:38 BingoBoingo: Yeah

05:25:59 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I've been addicted to it too

05:26:12 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: 45 minutes of reading them last night

05:26:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1046 BTC [+]

05:27:50 BingoBoingo: I've just about given them the once over. I'll probably re-read them again over a few days.

05:34:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1046 BTC [+]

05:36:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC

05:42:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

05:43:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669997 = 0.134 BTC [-]

05:44:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.00988186 = 0.2174 BTC [-] {6}

05:46:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0075 = 0.2625 BTC [+]

05:54:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.00953844 = 0.124 BTC [-] {2}

06:40:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00095358 = 9.2974 BTC [-] {4}

06:54:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52985758 BTC [-]

06:59:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.052 = 0.624 BTC [-]

07:17:58 fluffypony: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libssl/src/ssl/

07:18:14 fluffypony: OpenBSD have started a strip-down and cleanup of openSSL

07:18:52 artifexd: That will be a herculean effort.

07:30:53 pankkake: nice. I was looking for openssl alternatives, and while there are some (with nicer APIs and lighter codebases), the licenses won't satisfy everyone

07:31:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7546 @ 0.00096408 = 7.2749 BTC [+] {2}

07:32:58 fluffypony: artifexd: agreed, but considering the amount of effort they put into their modified Apache 1.3 (till they switched to nginx last month) makes me think they can accomplish it

07:41:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06615 = 0.1323 BTC [-] {2}

07:43:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06590001 = 0.1318 BTC [-] {2}

08:09:43 fluffypony: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/13/gnome_foundation_runs_out_of_cash/

08:09:49 fluffypony: "Perhaps they could ask the OpenBSD Foundation, which just hit its 2014 goal"

08:09:52 fluffypony: cheeky

08:18:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1661 @ 0.00096459 = 1.6022 BTC [+] {2}

08:37:07 pankkake: except everyone hates what gnome does

08:39:14 bounce: at least gnome /was/ more or less confined to its own thing and its invariably byzantinely dependent apps. enter the freedesktop.org bunch, and poettering+gang.

08:40:34 pankkake: I don't have issues with those things, they are overall improvements

08:40:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0665 = 0.1995 BTC [+]

08:42:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0665 = 0.133 BTC [+]

08:45:52 bounce: (deliberate) incompatability by stuffing functionality with strong preference-flavour added where there previously was room for alternative approaches in places that don't need the added complexity and opacity, with added fall-out to well outside the "linux" world and insisting breaking others' software are improvements now? explain that one, please.

08:46:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-]

08:48:20 fluffypony: I agree that gnome is shit

08:48:55 fluffypony: LXDE is great

08:49:41 fluffypony: and LXDE-Qt if you desperately need Qt everywhere

08:50:57 pankkake: they're switching to Qt?

08:51:07 fluffypony: no

08:51:13 fluffypony: LXDE-Qt is a separate project

08:51:18 fluffypony: kinda separate

08:51:19 pankkake: weird

08:51:29 fluffypony: Razor-Qt merged with it last year

09:07:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.522 = 4.698 BTC [-]

09:17:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00009252 = 0.185 BTC [+] {8}

09:21:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.065626 = 0.3281 BTC [-] {3}

09:22:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06475721 = 0.4533 BTC [-] {4}

09:28:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10533 @ 0.00096398 = 10.1536 BTC [-]

09:34:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00095403 = 7.3937 BTC [-] {2}

09:36:53 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/

09:38:08 fluffypony: *clicks*

09:41:55 fluffypony: I agree with this commenter: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/cgsvpkn

09:42:04 fluffypony: "The lesson for anyone in the public domain should already be clear: Don't try to answer rumours on Reddit, unless you are also prepared to provide cast iron proof of what you say, don't discuss your family affairs on a public forum, and especially don't mention your children - this is stupid beyond belief."

09:43:25 pankkake: most comments are actually good

09:43:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00009294 = 0.1859 BTC [+] {8}

09:51:18 punkman: sounds like Danny's dream of having a Bentley is gonna be over soon

09:51:29 fluffypony: heh

09:51:54 punkman: so much derp

09:53:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0655 = 0.3275 BTC [+]

10:17:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1200 @ 0.00013788 = 0.1655 BTC [+] {3}

10:26:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 767 @ 0.00014148 = 0.1085 BTC [+] {3}

10:27:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1500 @ 0.00014606 = 0.2191 BTC [+] {7}

10:28:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5607 @ 0.00015531 = 0.8708 BTC [+] {13}

10:29:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3127 @ 0.00017518 = 0.5478 BTC [+] {8}

10:30:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1231 @ 0.00019369 = 0.2384 BTC [+] {6}

10:34:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2090 @ 0.00025902 = 0.5414 BTC [+] {8}

10:35:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 900 @ 0.00027005 = 0.243 BTC [+] {2}

10:36:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1750 @ 0.0002701 = 0.4727 BTC [+] {3}

10:37:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00028629 = 0.2863 BTC [+] {4}

10:38:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2200 @ 0.00030121 = 0.6627 BTC [+] {8}

10:39:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 793 @ 0.00031 = 0.2458 BTC [+]

10:40:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 753 @ 0.00036261 = 0.273 BTC [+] {6}

10:43:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00037004 = 0.37 BTC [+] {3}

10:44:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 500 @ 0.00037012 = 0.1851 BTC [+] {4}

10:44:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06674097 = 6.6741 BTC [+] {8}

10:45:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 276 @ 0.00037 = 0.1021 BTC [-]

10:46:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3716 @ 0.00011678 = 0.434 BTC [+] {5}

10:55:21 pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/609/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall/ I really wonder why there are Yesses

10:55:33 pankkake: unless some large farm explodes

11:25:55 ThickAsThieves: blowstamps! http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/15/5616160/finland-celebrates-homoerotic-art-with-mustachioed-stamps

11:28:25 ThickAsThieves: Bitstamp is lying, saying my deposit had 3 confs, but blockchain says 6

11:28:50 ThickAsThieves: they only require 3, yet some how, no coins

11:32:08 Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, selling already ?

11:33:21 ThickAsThieves: doing some trading

11:33:41 ThickAsThieves: i'm still long, but keep getting sucked back into the game

11:37:00 kakobrekla: cans and strings never lie

11:43:56 Apocalyptic: .d

11:44:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00096147 = 1.9229 BTC [+]

11:49:19 ThickAsThieves: Estimated Next Difficulty: 7,195,696,460 (+17.58%)

11:49:58 ThickAsThieves: like 15PH added in 2 weeks

11:50:26 mircea_popescu: breathtaking, innit.

11:50:52 pankkake: so many asic manufacturers too

11:51:00 pankkake: some of them even deliver!

11:51:11 mircea_popescu: lol who delivered this year ?

11:51:39 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=571456.0

11:51:40 pankkake: I don't follow this a lot but there are some chinese who sell in stock stuff

11:52:28 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> lol who delivered this year ? // shit, it really is no one

11:52:36 pankkake: otherwise cointerra is the closest to delivering I guess

11:53:14 pankkake: still, there's a number of options. better than one single GPU manufacturer!

11:53:25 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves dun dun dun

11:53:53 mircea_popescu: "Warrior Forum joins the Freelancer.com Family" dude this couldn't have been more appropriate.

11:54:03 mircea_popescu: freelancer is like a black hole of internet idiocy.

11:54:05 ThickAsThieves: lol

11:54:44 ThickAsThieves: i bet odesk runs most of the action on those sites anyway

11:54:51 fluffypony: lol

11:54:58 mircea_popescu: pankkake a number of options as to where to throw your btc down a well and hope while waiting aren;'t options in the sense we need.

11:55:20 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there's this getafreelancer.com site, too, and some other shit.

11:55:50 fluffypony: guru.com as well

11:56:01 pankkake: by the way, GPU preorders were a thing, too. I preordered one like 15 years ago, it took months before I could have it

11:56:19 kakobrekla: dotcoin does it again.

11:56:31 pankkake: http://blog.coinbase.com/post/82766793207/coinbase-has-a-new-office too many macs. DO NOT TRUST

11:57:18 dignork: re: miners, have you seen spondoolies-tech? My friend works there, and apparently they shipped by plan.

11:57:29 fluffypony: kakobrekla: that post is terrible

11:57:32 mircea_popescu: ummm... their office is a room and a hallway in uhhh

11:57:47 mircea_popescu: shit i remember who owns that and was giving it away rent free to noobs, who the fuck was it

11:58:02 mircea_popescu: dignork details, details.

11:58:43 dignork: mircea_popescu, there is a long thread on talk: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-spondoolies-tech-launches-a-new-line-of-asic-miners-shipping-in-7-days.284243/

11:58:51 ThickAsThieves: omg all those people working on macbooks, wtf

11:59:06 ThickAsThieves: i guess their real office is starbucks

11:59:06 dignork: I know one of the devs there

11:59:08 mircea_popescu: they kinda look like they're showing teh women girlpronz

11:59:10 mircea_popescu: !up Tykling

11:59:10 assbot: Voicing Tykling for 30 minutes.

11:59:21 mircea_popescu: o teh jewz.

11:59:38 mircea_popescu: dignork so tell one of teh techs to reg here, got a shot at way more biz than the ofrum can ever provide.

11:59:58 pankkake: macbooks are what you use in client meetings, but not what you use to actually work

12:00:12 dignork: mircea_popescu, will do :)

12:00:17 mircea_popescu: holy shit where is that

12:00:22 mircea_popescu: now it's going to bug me perpetually.

12:01:15 mircea_popescu: ahaha "make a transaction and get $5" dude they're really pushing huh.

12:03:17 ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232xry/cointerra_loses_faith_in_their_products/

12:03:36 ThickAsThieves: 30-day warranty

12:03:37 ThickAsThieves: ouch

12:04:36 pankkake: do they sell to EU? that would be probably illegal

12:04:36 ThickAsThieves: theyre probly like "Well, we're premining with these things for 60 days, so we should probly change that warranty!"

12:04:49 mircea_popescu: "We're about 25 KM from Gaza strip, not in any disputed territory."

12:04:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4617 @ 0.00096147 = 4.4391 BTC [+]

12:05:01 mircea_popescu: so cute, the jews. "o, we're 25km from ww2, it's safe here"

12:05:06 mircea_popescu: they actually think this way.

12:06:29 davout: mircea_popescu: holders list pl0x

12:06:36 mircea_popescu: o.o

12:06:49 mircea_popescu: dude it's been six minutes ? what do yo uthink i run here, a team of naked ninjas ?

12:07:09 davout: mircea_popescu: that's what you keep advertising :D

12:07:14 mircea_popescu: lmao

12:07:15 punkman: you don't have a naked ninja team?

12:07:27 mircea_popescu: i do but i don't uyse them to do THIS stuff

12:07:39 mircea_popescu: anything davout gets comes from old smelly women

12:08:04 davout: the way i make my living is not for you to judge

12:08:25 davout: pecunia non olet

12:08:34 ThickAsThieves: this plane toy up the poon is hilarious

12:09:11 davout: "Hi, I'm from al qaeda and i'm going to do something big on june first"

12:09:35 davout: june first : "first fully decentralized bitcoin exchange released by al qaeda girl"

12:09:46 ThickAsThieves: nice knowing you davout

12:09:52 ThickAsThieves: have fun in guant

12:10:15 Apocalyptic: he's gonna seek refuge in Timisoara soon

12:10:24 davout: ThickAsThieves: i'm a jew, anything all-inclusive will do

12:10:58 davout: mircea_popescu: merci!

12:11:10 mircea_popescu: he's being extradited

12:11:17 mircea_popescu: i think i may have all the papers ready to go within the week

12:11:35 ThickAsThieves: extratradition

12:11:39 mircea_popescu: AND SO ARE SOME OTHERS OF YOU BIGMOUTHS

12:12:30 mircea_popescu: when i was a kid the measure of your popularity was that all the kids on the block gathered under your windows screaming "Mr X, may X come out to plaaa-aaa-aaayyyyy ???"

12:12:58 mircea_popescu: so i'd go this shrug like "what can i do mom ? teh boyfatherland needs me"

12:23:25 mircea_popescu: awww.

12:24:04 pankkake: ;;later tell benkay http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/14_no-more-statute-of-limitations-for-the-irs.html congratulations, you're worse than France!

12:24:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:24:29 mircea_popescu: yeah isn't that something.

12:24:40 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves btw, did asicminer deliver the gen3 or still working on it ?

12:25:02 pankkake: I think my last issue with the fisc will finally get prescribed. yay

12:25:27 pankkake: there are sample chips in the wild

12:26:12 mircea_popescu: who got any ?

12:26:55 pankkake: rockxie and canaryinthemine (approximate spelling)

12:27:37 ThickAsThieves: i havent been following, i think the whole Rockminer deal is too fishy to take any of them seriously anymore

12:28:18 ThickAsThieves: my guess would be that AM feels theyve given enough to shareholders and will now focus on ways to reroute profit

12:28:23 ThickAsThieves: like Rockminer

12:28:44 mircea_popescu: such bs.

12:28:56 mircea_popescu: it's like a mediocre marriage, nobody says what they mean and nobody does what they say.

12:30:11 ThickAsThieves: when gen2 vanished without much noise, and nothing happened for like 8mos, well...

12:30:57 davout: for those who have some X.EUR the positions rollover is done

12:31:00 mircea_popescu: basically tardstalk has managed to get itself out of the way of bitcoin conversation, tards foundation idem...

12:31:25 mircea_popescu: let this be a lesson about what "poorly managed" means. you start with a dominant, unassailable position, two years later it's not even clear who you are and what you do anymore.

12:31:34 davout: sounds like a good time to buy some btw :-)

12:31:47 mircea_popescu: what cuz it's gonna drop moar ?!

12:32:09 davout: BTC is up 15~20% since this morning

12:32:39 fluffypony: yeah

12:32:39 mircea_popescu: i'll short sell you some, how about that ?

12:32:45 fluffypony: just below $500, davout

12:33:04 davout: trades around 360 EUR on BC, was 300 yest, looks like it's going to drop at least a bit

12:33:17 ThickAsThieves: possibly one more burst tho

12:33:21 fluffypony: I'm so bad at price speculation I gave up ages ago

12:33:24 ThickAsThieves: to 531ish

12:33:29 davout: mircea_popescu: if you have some EUR collateral i can push you some ;-)

12:33:44 ThickAsThieves: $

12:33:55 fluffypony: EU $

12:33:55 mircea_popescu: meh. push me some anyway and i'll cover you in btc

12:33:56 fluffypony: :-P

12:34:01 davout: mircea_popescu: also i can go short directly on BC

12:34:05 fluffypony: 1 BTC = 1 BTC?

12:34:12 ThickAsThieves: lol

12:34:24 ThickAsThieves: 1=1

12:34:25 mircea_popescu: fluffypony well what the fuck am i going to end up owing him, btc goes to 5 eur ?

12:34:50 mircea_popescu: i'll just sell a ninja.

12:34:51 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: trade up man, 1 = 2

12:35:03 fluffypony: (by some definition of 2)

12:35:45 ThickAsThieves: what do you think will spark the next true bull phase?

12:35:46 mircea_popescu: Hashrate per chip:11.52Ghash Power consumption:6.375W per chip

12:35:53 mircea_popescu: wasn't the fucking spec supposed to be 4gh/w ?

12:36:05 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this chan going +m.

12:36:09 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: China Unbans Bitcoin!

12:36:23 ThickAsThieves: :/

12:36:51 ThickAsThieves: but i dont have enough cash to buy this thing back to 1000!

12:36:55 fluffypony: didn't someone mention ransomware the other day, and how that may have contributed to the last run as people who would otherwise have been disinclined to purchase went and purchase?

12:37:07 fluffypony: so the solution could be to write some new ransomware?

12:37:30 mircea_popescu: fluffypony it was a stupid idea tho. you realise this yes ?

12:37:34 ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 24000

12:37:35 gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 16452.849 bitcoins, for a total of 14624837.6264 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 0.0850 seconds

12:37:40 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes I know, I'm just teasing

12:37:51 ThickAsThieves: 16000 coins?!

12:38:09 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you mighht have not noticed this, but bitstamp volume dried up to nothing.

12:38:13 mircea_popescu: and so did most of the other exchanges.

12:38:31 mircea_popescu: their price signal is worth about as much as reddit opinion

12:38:45 pankkake: http://chralash.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/ive-got-a-psychological-disorder-its-called-hoarding-bitcoins-and-its-making-you-rich/

12:39:35 mircea_popescu: echolalia eh ?

12:40:56 davout: ThickAsThieves: mebbe some sort of EUR implosion/QE or whatever

12:42:24 mircea_popescu: !up roamfree

12:42:24 assbot: Voicing roamfree for 30 minutes.

12:42:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5299999 BTC [+]

12:44:32 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "Perhaps they could ask the OpenBSD Foundation, which just hit its 2014 goal" << cheeky indeed.

12:46:42 mircea_popescu: pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/609/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall/ I really wonder why there are Yesses << well when it was made it didn't look as clear as it does now. and if it had another month to go, it wouldn't look clear now, either.

12:47:33 pankkake: no new mining power added for 2 weeks?

12:49:00 mircea_popescu: chips have a lifetime. if that's not too long and later chips are worse quality eventually the diff will start dropping.

12:49:59 pankkake: right, perhaps in a few years then

12:50:04 thestringpuller: have we discussed the latter from scammy danny yet?

12:50:17 pankkake: not much

12:50:22 thestringpuller: i havent checked the logs just woke up and saw it on reddit...

12:50:32 mircea_popescu: we don't really read reddit, but go right ahead

12:50:58 pankkake: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2014#625009

12:52:20 thestringpuller: ah

12:52:27 mircea_popescu: "The fraud charges are of my greatest concern right now, they are baffling to me"

12:52:35 thestringpuller: i am pretty sure reddit drops your iq at this point

12:52:47 mircea_popescu: o hey. i suppose it keeps in character. first business was baffling to the kid, now legal matters take a turn...

12:53:10 mircea_popescu: i suppose his feeling for ghiorghios, the unshaved truck driver will be baffling for him next.

12:53:23 thestringpuller: but reddit has much needed lulz to fuel our hunger

12:53:52 thestringpuller: is he in wot?

12:54:04 mircea_popescu: Here is a message to the Criminal Investigation Department of the Cypriot Police:

12:54:04 mircea_popescu: ANSWER YOUR PHONE or CHECK YOUR EMAILS!!!!

12:54:05 mircea_popescu: kik

12:54:16 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller who ? reddit ?

12:54:27 thestringpuller: danny scamster

12:54:54 mircea_popescu: nah, he knew better.

12:55:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.05240938 = 0.9434 BTC [+] {9}

12:56:17 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/

12:56:19 pankkake: his statements are very confusing, but that has been going on for a while

12:56:21 mircea_popescu: srsly, 8:1 ?

12:56:29 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

12:56:30 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.0, Best ask: 493.02, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 493.0, 24 hour volume: 30647.12500074, 24 hour low: 448.1, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.428840083

12:56:35 thestringpuller: oh wow

12:56:47 mircea_popescu: sweet, wonder if it tops at 500 or not.

12:56:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}

12:57:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00096296 = 2.7444 BTC [+]

12:57:53 TestingUnoDosTre: You mean 515

12:58:31 mircea_popescu: lol yeah

12:58:44 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455914648710443009 << from the lulz dept, me discussing matters with a bunch of middleaged women

12:59:41 pankkake: running isn't even healthy!

13:00:20 thestringpuller: why is it skngle middle aged women are far less annoying than 20's women...like they are still teens or something

13:01:05 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the former you don't want to fuck. less frustration for you.

13:01:23 mircea_popescu: pankkake it's healthier than pancakes...

13:01:41 pankkake: I don't even like pancakes

13:01:51 pankkake: and yes, pancakes are poison

13:02:05 mircea_popescu: well arguably bukkake is healthier than running

13:02:11 nubbins`: arguably

13:02:15 TestingUnoDosTre: Can't believe people think smoking adds to healthcare costs. The people die earlier and faster

13:02:17 nubbins`: easier on your knees, certainly

13:02:35 nubbins`: TestingUnoDosTre: here in canada, we keep smokers alive as long as possible. tis a burden

13:02:38 mircea_popescu: nubbins` notrly, you gotta be kneelin'

13:02:49 nubbins`: mircea_popescu flat on the back, natch

13:03:00 nubbins`: TestingUnoDosTre: although to be fair, tobacco taxes more than cover it

13:03:11 nubbins`: 20 smokes is over $10 here

13:03:12 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre you don't understand the environment. buncha clueless broads sitting around encouraging each other. sorta like what we do here, except without the smarts.

13:03:30 nubbins`: wait, i encourage people? ;(

13:03:42 mircea_popescu: i assumed you must. weren't you a liberal ?

13:03:57 nubbins`: sure, but a bitter one

13:04:01 pankkake: TestingUnoDosTre: it might (cancer is expensive), but it reduces retirement costs

13:04:15 nubbins`: just 'cause i'm a liberal doesn't mean i suffer fools ;D

13:04:19 mircea_popescu: if smoking gives you cancer it just shows you had a shitty constitution,

13:04:24 mircea_popescu: so you SHOULD die in the first place.

13:04:32 mircea_popescu: smoking is pretty much the only selective behaviour left.

13:04:35 mircea_popescu: that and driving.

13:04:38 mircea_popescu: smoking definitely cheaper.

13:04:42 nubbins`: smoking: the sieve of modern man

13:05:01 nubbins`: eating too

13:05:07 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> just 'cause i'm a liberal doesn't mean i suffer fools ;D << wait wait. what sort of scamliberal are you ?! THAT IS THE DEFINITION!

13:05:20 TestingUnoDosTre: If you consider coat avoidance, I'm quite sure it would cost more to keep a,non smoker living in their latter years

13:05:28 nubbins`: we live in a word not of black and white but of shades of grey ;D

13:06:13 nubbins`: bbl eggs!

13:06:20 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/a3aedb2f647e9395c5fc9a66e6d6d621/tumblr_mkfz4rxTzm1re7tkoo1_1280.jpg

13:06:26 mircea_popescu: quoted for the black shoies, white socks.

13:06:29 mircea_popescu: that's the world we live in.

13:06:50 mircea_popescu: !up steven-__

13:06:50 assbot: Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.

13:07:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53199995 = 1.064 BTC [+] {2}

13:08:36 pankkake: anyway, I'm usually going out to not smoke

13:08:48 pankkake: who cares what is written

13:09:04 mircea_popescu: these women.

13:09:14 mircea_popescu: it's all they have left : what's written

13:09:14 pankkake: because they want to be offended at something

13:09:29 pankkake: being offended is a full time job

13:09:35 nubbins`: ^

13:09:59 mircea_popescu: gives them something to write on twitter about, gives them something to talk to me about... what's their alternative ?

13:10:00 ThickAsThieves: it's also the easiest job

13:10:03 mircea_popescu: sit in the home and stare at the wall ?

13:10:23 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves exactly. easiest full time job their is. which is why and how women that age end up with it, in all times and all places.

13:10:41 ThickAsThieves: old hags on nonprofit boards

13:10:50 mircea_popescu: lol you've really been touched haven't you

13:10:56 ThickAsThieves: treating me like a walmart cashier

13:11:34 ThickAsThieves: ive fired more old women clients than clients have ever fired me

13:11:53 mircea_popescu: no cuntry for old broads.

13:12:34 ThickAsThieves: btw i loved your definition of fine

13:12:41 ThickAsThieves: it's quite quotable

13:12:48 ThickAsThieves: deserves a bash

13:12:53 mircea_popescu: bash away

13:13:02 ThickAsThieves: how do i bash the past?

13:13:14 ThickAsThieves: bash 9000

13:13:16 nubbins`: look to the topic for clues

13:13:27 mircea_popescu: there's an add topic feature

13:13:41 ThickAsThieves: ah

13:13:45 mircea_popescu: hey kakobrekla : your !b add-on was so successful, people don't even know how to bash as a result.

13:14:01 nubbins`: needs params

13:14:12 mircea_popescu: does nawt

13:14:15 nubbins`: !b [2:5,7:14]

13:14:22 nubbins`: imagine

13:14:27 mircea_popescu: fucking geeks omfg. !b for insta and go paste in the site otherwise

13:15:04 ThickAsThieves: never heard of bash til the !b arrived

13:15:09 nubbins`: :0

13:15:11 nubbins`: wat

13:15:29 ThickAsThieves: i'm not quite as nerdy as it seems

13:15:42 mircea_popescu: a! but have you ever heard of bishibosh ?

13:15:55 nubbins`: i've got quotes on bash.org from when i was like 15 ;(

13:16:11 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah well you're special`

13:16:15 nubbins`: heh

13:16:18 nubbins`: well, maybe 17

13:16:19 ThickAsThieves: after looking up bishibosh, surely ive had exposure

13:16:35 ThickAsThieves: nubbins thats cuz you been complaining since the womb

13:16:37 nubbins`: funny, there was a scammer trying to impersonate me in -otc the other day

13:16:41 nubbins`: nickname: nubbins``

13:16:49 nubbins`: y'know, the sort of nick that a non-scammer would have

13:16:59 steven-__: really like this new model you have imposed mircea_popescu having to be voiced to talk. it makes me think back to when oink died and two sites popped up to trade music waffles and what it was much harder to get into what having to pass a test about encoding quality lossly vs lossless http://www.whatinterviewprep.com/ but over the years you can really see the

13:16:59 steven-__: advantages to limiting who can be involved to people who care enough to learn the basics

13:17:22 mircea_popescu: in my defense, i merely suggested it.

13:18:01 nubbins`: now, i gotta print posters

13:18:15 nubbins`: i ended up removing the Hobo typeface from that one i shared ;(

13:18:24 mircea_popescu: but think of the environment nubbins` ! wouldn't you rather sit here and chat with us ?

13:18:30 mircea_popescu: instead of causing cancer and so forth ?

13:18:34 nubbins`: water-based inks bruh

13:18:46 nubbins`: you can pour 'em straight into the ocean with impunity

13:19:01 mircea_popescu: you make a pretty shitty middleaged woman.

13:19:25 pankkake: steven-__: eheh exactly :)

13:19:29 nubbins`: phew!

13:19:38 mircea_popescu: gotta eat moar soy sauce

13:19:47 steven-__: yea pankkake your blog post was what got me thinking about it

13:19:51 kakobrekla: steven-__ i did about 0.5k or so interviews for what btw.

13:19:55 ThickAsThieves: http://www.sparkyscreenprints.com/water-based-myth/

13:20:05 pankkake: I blog posted about it? or comment maybe

13:20:41 steven-__: https://what.cd/user.php?id=315790 is me

13:22:08 kakobrekla: 3 and a half years behind me :p

13:22:29 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you did 500 interviews for what ?

13:22:34 pankkake: what's your username kakobrekla? (I'm simply pankkake as I am everywhere)

13:22:37 kakobrekla: yes mp.

13:22:47 steven-__: yea i had an account around the time oink ended but ended up using waffles and tt

13:22:57 steven-__: so when i came back to what i was blown away at how much better it was

13:23:09 nubbins`: http://www.matsui-color.com/water_based.php

13:23:11 nubbins`: ;p

13:23:33 pankkake: yeah, oink being closed ended up… a good thing. more competition, new software

13:24:31 nubbins`: indeed, not all water-based inks are created equal, which is why we use the good ones ;D

13:24:32 kakobrekla: This tree has 955 entries, 254 branches, and a depth of 6. It has 670 Users (70%), 214 Members (22%), 57 Power Users (6%), 13 Elites (1%) and 1 Torrent Master (0%). 536 users are disabled (56%), and 96 users have donated (10%).

13:24:40 pankkake: :o

13:24:51 pankkake: lol 56% of fail

13:25:01 kakobrekla: yes , well , people.

13:25:16 pankkake: i guess it's easy to cheat on the interview

13:25:20 nubbins`: TBF we only use WB for paper, and plastisol for shirts. but once you cure plastisol, you can do w/e you want with it

13:25:37 kakobrekla: mostly its people who do not understand how hard it is to seed here

13:25:42 kakobrekla: i mean, you can not describe it.

13:26:08 kakobrekla: tbh i have been helping by not seeding for last 2 years or so

13:26:35 pankkake: I upload new stuff and seed forever, never had to worry about anything

13:27:18 kakobrekla: i got to be tm for a short bit, but then lost the will and got degraded to elite :|

13:27:53 pankkake: I have been stuck in elite for years, yet I'm close

13:28:13 pankkake: unless there is a secret porn subforum, not interested

13:28:23 kakobrekla: its been fun even if people in charge are douchebags

13:28:34 pankkake: yeah, they banned me from the forums

13:29:07 kakobrekla: and i was 'sassing' some mod, they took my avatar rights as a reward.

13:29:13 kakobrekla: lel

13:29:13 steven-__: what has pretty good forums but in general i'm over the genre almost made some DIY speaker last year

13:30:36 kakobrekla: if its from those forums , its shit speakers.

13:30:40 pankkake: This tree has 144 entries, 36 branches, and a depth of 5. It has 113 Users (78%), 23 Members (16%), 6 Power Users (4%) and 2 Elites (1%). 97 users are disabled (67%), and 6 users have donated (4%).

13:30:45 pankkake: ok, I'm worst

13:30:48 pankkake: worse

13:31:56 mircea_popescu: !up andreas_

13:31:56 assbot: Voicing andreas_ for 30 minutes.

13:31:56 pankkake: by the way:

13:31:56 pankkake: ::view

13:31:58 pankkake: ;;view

13:31:59 gribble: #20302 Sat Apr 12 11:27:48 2014 pankkake SELL 999.0 Private torrent trackers invites @ 0 FREE (Theses are free, only requirement is WoT presence. Keep your bitcoins to donate to the actual operators.)

13:32:09 pankkake: some assholes are selling those

13:32:19 mircea_popescu: lol

13:32:54 kakobrekla: meh i wouldnt risk it

13:33:05 kakobrekla: people dont appreciate such things.

13:35:52 TestingUnoDosTre: What is this private torrent tracker?

13:36:21 pankkake: I have many, music, movies, porn, whatever you need

13:36:27 steven-__: most people forget and get disabled or can't keep up a good ratio because they only download stuff that's 12 hours old and seed it for 24-48 hours on (good trackers)

13:36:46 pankkake: I'm very sad underground-gamer closed, it was a gold mine of old great games

13:37:47 joecool: pankkake: got hdbits

13:37:47 joecool: ?

13:39:34 pankkake: joecool: "Invites are disabled for the moment. May never come back"

13:39:55 joecool: bummer

13:39:58 pankkake: so I have one, unusable

13:41:03 TestingUnoDosTre: :(

13:41:22 mircea_popescu: !up steven-__

13:41:22 assbot: Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.

13:41:50 TestingUnoDosTre: Just got 2001 a space oddessy the other night. Gonna smoke up and make a holiday of it

13:42:26 pankkake: spaced odyssey

13:43:20 TestingUnoDosTre: Bah

13:43:41 mircea_popescu: lol good one

13:43:44 mircea_popescu: !up Naphex

13:43:44 assbot: Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.

13:44:51 kakobrekla: 2001 is a great flick

13:45:01 Naphex: i was just about to auth with gribble, pre-thanks :)

13:45:28 mircea_popescu: lol cool.

13:45:42 kakobrekla: its prolly better than dead man, now that i think of it.

13:45:51 mircea_popescu: Naphex didn't recall if you were on the list or not

13:46:18 kakobrekla: well you still need to get your own voice

13:46:24 kakobrekla: borrowed one is a borrowed one.

13:46:33 kakobrekla: gotta give it back

13:47:03 Naphex: ;;ident Naphex

13:47:04 gribble: Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu

13:47:09 Naphex: there we go.

13:47:19 mircea_popescu: what's btcxchange.ro ?

13:47:22 TestingUnoDosTre: I just listened to the book on audio and its probably one of my favorite science fiction

13:47:35 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Naphex

13:47:36 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Naphex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Naphex | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Naphex | Rated since: never

13:47:47 mircea_popescu: you ain't in the list yo

13:47:54 joecool: TestingUnoDosTre: not 2001 honda odyssey?

13:48:00 steven-__: the prisoner was filming next to 2001 a space oddessy when they weren't on location at portmeirion

13:48:24 steven-__: ;;google the prisoner

13:48:25 gribble: The Prisoner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner; The Prisoner (TV Series 1967–1968) - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061287/; The Prisoner (TV Mini-Series 2009) - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1043714/

13:48:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8754 @ 0.00096534 = 8.4506 BTC [+] {2}

13:49:08 Naphex: mircea_popescu: romanian bitcoin->ron exchange where i slave during the day ;]

13:49:14 ThickAsThieves: i just lost my copy of Anathema, i was just getting started :(

13:49:18 pankkake: ron?

13:49:20 mircea_popescu: Naphex never heard of it :D

13:49:37 mircea_popescu: pankkake romania changed its rol (romanian leu) at 10k for the new romanian leu so thus... ron

13:49:55 pankkake: I hope it's to honor Ron Paul!

13:50:12 bounce: they let their slaves irc from production servers?

13:50:33 Naphex: bounce: yeah its in the job benefits ;]

13:50:39 mircea_popescu: orderbook... tons of asks, no bids.

13:50:56 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

13:50:58 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.52, Best ask: 494.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 494.0, 24 hour volume: 30795.89377194, 24 hour low: 448.1, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.757676521

13:51:14 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1514.0/492.52

13:51:14 gribble: 3.07398684317

13:51:18 bounce: so what do you do there?

13:51:38 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3.23 / 3.07

13:51:39 gribble: 1.05211726384

13:51:56 mircea_popescu: bout 5% off. some arb opportunity i guess. Naphex what's the confirmation process like ?

13:52:05 Naphex: bb in a few, gotta drive home. closing the office

13:52:35 Naphex: mircea_popescu: ID with quick confirmation for 15k eur+, some other paperwork for higher limit

13:52:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0653 = 0.3265 BTC [-]

13:53:18 mircea_popescu: Naphex as a business ?

13:53:30 Naphex: as a bussiness its a monthly limit for 220k RON

13:53:46 Naphex: about 50k eur

13:53:57 mircea_popescu: and what do you do bout the vat ?

13:54:17 Naphex: there is no vat

13:54:33 mircea_popescu: lol interesting.

13:54:36 mircea_popescu: !up cnxmari

13:54:36 assbot: Voicing cnxmari for 30 minutes.

13:54:41 mircea_popescu: whoa look at copper jesus.

13:55:02 mircea_popescu: how the fuck can copper drop ? i mean gold, i get it, political interest, fake bla bla bla, whatever. ok. but copper ?!

13:55:09 mircea_popescu: it's rarer than gold these days!

13:55:26 bounce: I s'pose there's the demand side

13:55:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.06510404 = 2.4088 BTC [-] {10}

13:55:49 pankkake: because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market

13:56:22 mircea_popescu: what, romanians sell it on the cme ?

13:56:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 125 @ 0.06499443 = 8.1243 BTC [-] {4}

13:57:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3828 @ 0.00016169 = 0.6189 BTC [-] {7}

13:58:23 Apocalyptic: <pankkake> because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market // that's what gypsies do in slovakia

13:58:58 pankkake: well, I'm saying romanians to tease, in France it's gypsies/roms/whatever

13:59:16 ThickAsThieves: copper dropping cuz chinese are involved with it

13:59:27 ThickAsThieves: PBOC gonna ban copper!

13:59:32 mircea_popescu: lol

14:01:02 fluffypony: lol

14:02:58 mircea_popescu: just did a stats on http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ :

14:03:04 mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu 14, benkay 12, jborkl 10, bingoboingo 8, bitcoinpete 8, khersonus 5, jurov 1, mike_c 1.

14:03:29 TestingUnoDosTre: How does one get on this blag

14:03:43 mircea_popescu: you make a blog and bug pankkake pretty much

14:03:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]

14:04:03 mircea_popescu: http://www.vox.com/2014/4/14/5614180/colorados-marijuana-tax-revenue-is-up-and-its-great-for-schools

14:04:30 TestingUnoDosTre: Oh my, went to Colorado for my off week. Place is like heaven on earth

14:04:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]

14:05:08 TestingUnoDosTre: They put a quarter ounce limit on purchasers from out of state, but you can walk right in the next day

14:05:26 mircea_popescu: a quarter ounce should be enough to smoke yourself out pretty well no ?

14:05:33 mircea_popescu: in more cattle-related news, http://t.co/N08QeqZ14E

14:05:41 TestingUnoDosTre: Yes indeed

14:05:54 mircea_popescu: uh i mean https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlQzuRVIgAAhl_U.jpg

14:06:36 TestingUnoDosTre: But I drove out there to ski, so I could take home extra

14:06:53 TestingUnoDosTre: In theory of course

14:07:14 Duffer1: thickasthieves gotta buy another copy then ^.^ it's worth it

14:08:12 TestingUnoDosTre: Is it sci-fi or what?

14:08:57 Duffer1: is what?

14:09:01 Duffer1: anathema?

14:09:16 TestingUnoDosTre: Anathema

14:09:17 mike_c: some of us only write when we have something to say ;)

14:09:56 Duffer1: er sorry Anathem

14:09:58 ThickAsThieves: so far Anathema seems very Vonnegut

14:10:02 ThickAsThieves: yeah

14:10:03 ThickAsThieves: Anathem

14:10:27 TestingUnoDosTre: Oooh KV is the way to be

14:10:39 ThickAsThieves: it's also absolutely nothing like Reamde\

14:10:39 mircea_popescu: mike_c ikr ?

14:10:48 ThickAsThieves: which i didnt finish

14:12:18 pankkake: !up steven-__

14:12:18 assbot: Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.

14:14:24 TestingUnoDosTre: All great sci-fi aside, anybody read Lermontovs A Hero of Our Time?

14:16:46 mircea_popescu: yea

14:24:53 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-5#post-5920398

14:25:16 mircea_popescu: lol someone caught on the splendid "free speech" dilemma maged built for teh tardstalk management.

14:26:05 mircea_popescu: "we don't ban scams and scammers, but this isn't because they pay us, it's simply because we believe in free speech ; we do however ban people exercising free speech, because it's bad for business."

14:28:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0524 = 0.3144 BTC [-] {2}

14:28:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.032 = 0.192 BTC [+] {2}

14:28:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-]

14:29:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03110007 = 0.1244 BTC [-] {3}

14:29:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0524 = 0.2096 BTC [-] {3}

14:29:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-] {3}

14:29:25 fluffypony: "The fact that people like MPOE-PR, Deprived, and pankkake were paid to say I was a scammer and lie about me didn't help either."

14:29:30 fluffypony: so, how do I get a piece of this action?

14:29:33 fluffypony: :-P

14:29:47 Apocalyptic: Deprived was paid nao ?

14:30:07 Duffer1: who's quoted there fluffypony?

14:30:12 fluffypony: Duffer1: usagi

14:30:18 Duffer1: ah

14:30:28 pankkake: who said that

14:30:31 Apocalyptic: the length people go to make up shit these days... amazes me

14:30:35 fluffypony: "Look at Marc (Kakobrekla) who is now business partners with Mircea Popescu. When Pirate collapsed, CPA paid him 1140 BTC. Just like that. We didn't scam anybody. But what does he do? He removed his WOT rating for me."

14:30:43 fluffypony: kakobrekla: how could you do that! remove a WOT rating! the horror.

14:30:45 pankkake: well usagi given that he mentions Deprived

14:30:57 pankkake: but that's a new one for me

14:31:05 bounce: ``Because this is still the prime (and only meaningful) communication forum for bitcoin and those of us who believe in bitcoin try to keep it as useful as possible.'' -- ckolivas https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-2#post-5745988

14:31:14 kakobrekla: but my name is not marc :(

14:31:22 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla shut up marc :D

14:31:22 fluffypony: kakobrekla: it is now!

14:31:27 Apocalyptic: haha poor kako, first Martin, then Marc

14:31:28 kakobrekla: and he didnt pay 1140, twas less.

14:31:33 jborkl: obvious scams to customers ok, fuck you not ok- we understand da ruulz now

14:31:38 mircea_popescu: marcel kakobrekla!

14:32:28 mircea_popescu: afaik he did in fact pay a hefty sum back i nthe day (btc was like 5 bux then or something). all those posts are beleeted now, but they were riotous

14:32:37 mircea_popescu: ended up selling his guitar or something.

14:33:01 nubbins`: marsellus kakobreklus

14:33:24 mircea_popescu: who the fuck is ckolivas

14:33:33 joecool: con

14:33:48 jborkl: CGminer dev

14:33:56 jborkl: good guy , very smart

14:34:21 joecool: he gasses children for a living

14:34:37 nubbins`: you can make a living doing that?

14:34:48 joecool: yeah, medical school, etc

14:34:52 nubbins`: ah

14:34:56 *: nubbins` ponders this over coffee

14:34:57 jborkl: he is a doctor first

14:35:14 fluffypony: isn't he the guy Luke-Jr is constantly fighting with?

14:35:16 nubbins`: i remember trying to describe being gassed for my tonsil removal

14:35:22 joecool: fluffypony: yeah

14:35:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

14:35:29 nubbins`: after struggling for a bit, i said "it's like doing whippets until you pass out"

14:35:42 nubbins`: moments later, i realized it *is* doing whippets until you pass out

14:35:45 *: mircea_popescu ponders this over whippets

14:35:49 nubbins`: heh!

14:35:52 joecool: i got to know him awhile back from his kernel patchset, his main coding hobby before bitcoin was rewriting the linux cpu sched

14:36:02 mircea_popescu: "The Whippet (also English Whippet or Snap dog) is a breed of medium-sized dog"

14:36:09 nubbins`: ;;ud whippet

14:36:10 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whippet | Nitrous oxide found in small metal cannisters used in refillable whipped cream cannisters. Used as an inhalant drug to get high.

14:36:17 mircea_popescu: i knew all you labradorian/newfoundlandians are weird. sexually speaking.

14:36:19 mircea_popescu: with dogs.

14:36:46 nubbins`: hey now!

14:36:54 mircea_popescu: joecool jborkl so basically old time dev with impacted notions. aite.

14:36:59 joecool: Linux superbia 3.13.10-ck1 #5 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 14 18:25:25 EDT 2014 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2760QM CPU @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

14:37:21 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: There's been hostility between the two that leds to the cgminer bfgminer fork

14:37:22 joecool: Luke-Jr: you need to msg the bot to talk

14:37:31 mircea_popescu: !up Luke-Jr

14:37:31 assbot: Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes.

14:37:32 BingoBoingo: !up Luke-Jr

14:37:32 assbot: Voice for Luke-Jr extended to 30 minutes.

14:37:35 Luke-Jr: what bot

14:37:38 joecool: assbot

14:37:39 mircea_popescu: id with gribble then msg assbot !up

14:38:14 fluffypony: you need to massage assbot:-P

14:38:25 mircea_popescu: "This user is currently NOT AUTHENTICATED. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you may be talking to an impostor and scammer."

14:38:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 240 @ 0.00077777 = 0.1867 BTC [-]

14:38:31 mircea_popescu: !hi assbot

14:38:38 nubbins`: Darwin Jons-MB.local 13.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.1.0: Thu Jan 16 19:40:37 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.90.20~2/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64

14:38:39 nubbins`: ;(

14:38:42 mircea_popescu: ^ that's me talking to a scammeur!

14:40:12 mircea_popescu: so twitter bought gnip

14:40:43 nubbins`: ;;ud gnip

14:40:43 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gnip%20gnop | gnip gnop. Simply put, Ping Pong spelled backwards. Slang and humorous word used instead of "Ping Pong". Origin: Mansfield University, PA. "You boys up for ...

14:40:52 nubbins`: WHAT SORCERY IS THIS

14:41:35 mircea_popescu: nubbins` they were a data miner, on the full feeds of shit like twitter and instagram

14:41:58 nubbins`: so twitter bought their own data

14:42:02 fluffypony: so twitter bought a data miner of their own data?

14:42:05 fluffypony: snap nubbins`

14:42:30 joecool: i suppose it's easier than paying for the development of a new internal tool

14:42:34 bounce: keeps the competition from looting your "IP", and maybe allows you to snoop on the competition.

14:42:36 nubbins`: heh

14:42:50 nubbins`: joecool for some definitions of "easy"

14:42:50 joecool: bounce: and that too

14:42:52 fluffypony: "hey dawg, I heard you like data, so we bought some data so we could put your data inside the data"

14:42:57 mircea_popescu: fluffypony esentially.

14:43:16 mircea_popescu: they were investors in it anyway iirc.

14:43:48 mircea_popescu: really this entire circus is not so much unlike usagi's 2012 businesses. usagi-cpa has bought usagi-derp from usagi-herp worth OVER NINE THOUSAND

14:45:35 bounce: value-add to the valuation, win-win maximisation, hey hey hey

14:45:38 BingoBoingo: Really usagi is probably more instructive than Pirateat40 for things to beware of

14:46:52 mircea_popescu: prolly, yeah

14:47:15 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/M3tGFBZ

14:51:13 pankkake: Marcel is a beauf(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauf) name

14:51:24 pankkake: it's also the French name of the wifebeater shirt

14:55:56 bounce: bit of a recursive fail, that pic

14:57:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.064305 = 0.1286 BTC [+] {2}

14:57:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00012005 = 0.7203 BTC [-] {3}

15:05:35 mircea_popescu: soo, some twerps in spain decided "fraudsters" sounds kinda cool, started a foundation whatever. i sent them a friendly note about six months ago pointing out that it's a registered trademark and they're playing with fire. which they ignored.

15:06:10 mircea_popescu: so today i got to send them a notice that they either self-destruct and apologize or else i'm suing them. in, obviouisly, romanian court.

15:06:19 mike_c: do they spell it wrong too?

15:06:28 fluffypony: is the trademark registered in the EU, or just in Romania?

15:06:36 *: fluffypony has no idea how EU trademark law works

15:06:37 mircea_popescu: http://www.fundacionfraudsters.org/

15:06:51 mircea_popescu: fluffypony http://fraudsters.com/2011/fraudsters?/

15:06:52 pankkake: spanish is spelled wrong

15:07:00 mircea_popescu: nice class 41, too, which makes it pretty lulzy.

15:07:07 mike_c: hah, you against a bunch of geezers :)

15:07:14 mircea_popescu: they better pay up.

15:07:25 joecool: you whippersnapper!

15:07:25 mircea_popescu: ima buy bitcoins out of trademark enforcing moneyz, how about that!

15:07:27 fluffypony: ah, it's across EU

15:07:33 mircea_popescu: fluffypony us too, actually.

15:07:41 fluffypony: nice

15:07:44 *: fluffypony ponders

15:07:47 pankkake: the real question is why would you care?

15:07:50 mircea_popescu: they have a reciprocity deal so mickey mouse can be owned by disney

15:07:56 mircea_popescu: pankkake it pays to care.

15:08:09 joecool: !up Luke-Jr

15:08:09 assbot: Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes.

15:08:13 mircea_popescu: they could have arranged a license back last year, if they had a clue.

15:08:18 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: was that costly? I'm an Italian citizen, wife is German, so I can register an EU trademark instead of the shitty meaningless South African one

15:08:25 mircea_popescu: it doesn't pay to ignore what i say, and i'm definitely going to be enforcing THAT part.

15:08:33 mircea_popescu: fluffypony a few grand.

15:08:38 fluffypony: not bad

15:08:39 mircea_popescu: like tms normally cost.

15:08:47 fluffypony: yeah, same as here

15:08:54 TestingUnoDosTre: Oh my I love the term USBS. please use moar often

15:08:56 mircea_popescu: and you don't need to be any sort of citizen, you can reg it on your corp.

15:09:04 joecool: US trademarks are a lot cheaper

15:09:04 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre yeah huh!

15:09:18 mircea_popescu: joecool somehow i doubt that.

15:09:21 Apocalyptic: http://bases-marques.inpi.fr/ confirms the trademark

15:09:29 mircea_popescu: granted i've not reg'd any in years, but they were about the same back in the day

15:09:32 joecool: mircea_popescu: for a US trademark, i think it cost ~$400 or so

15:09:38 mircea_popescu: a but that's us only.

15:09:51 mircea_popescu: yeah, you can get regional marks in the us too, for a coupla hundred iirc.

15:09:57 mircea_popescu: in the eu too i mean

15:10:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0325 = 0.5525 BTC [+]

15:10:09 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic well it'd better eh.

15:10:16 joecool: mircea_popescu: i must have misread, i thought fraudsters was just EU-registered

15:10:21 mircea_popescu: nah.

15:13:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 39 @ 0.08299776 = 3.2369 BTC [-]

15:15:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00519999 = 0.156 BTC [-]

15:15:51 Apocalyptic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathem is this the book TAT mentionned earlier ?

15:18:28 mircea_popescu: !up wywialm

15:18:28 assbot: Voicing wywialm for 30 minutes.

15:18:49 wywialm: hi, thanks for upvoting

15:18:54 mircea_popescu: yeah.

15:19:02 mircea_popescu: ;;rate wywialm 1 New blood

15:19:03 wywialm: will ident in a second

15:19:03 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wywialm has been recorded.

15:19:10 mircea_popescu: now you can selfup.

15:19:16 wywialm: wow, thanks

15:20:43 wywialm: ;;ident

15:20:43 gribble: Nick 'wywialm', with hostmask 'wywialm!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl', is identified as user 'wywialm', with GPG key id B8F8FFF5052A2FA4, key fingerprint 6066C0309D81DBE48E97D6CCB8F8FFF5052A2FA4, and bitcoin address None

15:21:51 ThickAsThieves: copyright troll!

15:23:07 BingoBoingo: From 2010, related to the Cow business in Utah http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers

15:25:10 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, actually, patent troll!

15:26:00 mircea_popescu: It'll take plenty of military paychecks to cover the $5,600 price tag

15:26:14 mircea_popescu: that's actually remarkably cheap

15:27:02 BingoBoingo: Well they give is paygrade as E-3 and the year 2010, lemme pull up the paycheck

15:27:45 BingoBoingo: With the 4 years of service mentioned $1923/month

15:27:48 mircea_popescu: bout 2k

15:27:49 thestringpuller: https://github.com/adobe/source-code-pro - downloading fonts from github...dunno how I should feel about this...

15:27:52 mircea_popescu: yeah

15:29:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1657 @ 0.00012 = 0.1988 BTC [-]

15:29:39 mircea_popescu: !up neilol

15:29:39 assbot: Voicing neilol for 30 minutes.

15:29:48 neilol: thank you sir

15:30:05 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, what i meant was teh gun is pretty cheap considering it's a .5 bolt

15:30:10 mircea_popescu: neilol sure

15:30:32 mircea_popescu: !up Neil

15:30:32 assbot: Voicing Neil for 30 minutes.

15:30:39 mircea_popescu: hey, you know hopw to voice yourself do you ?

15:30:49 neilol: register with gribble

15:30:57 neilol: not sure of the process but if i need it

15:31:01 neilol: i'll figure it out

15:31:06 joecool: ;;guide

15:31:07 gribble: Error: "guide" is not a valid command.

15:31:15 joecool: wat

15:31:20 mircea_popescu: wow ?!

15:31:23 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. Still the expensive part with something like that is feeding it.

15:31:31 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6232636#msg6232636

15:31:39 mircea_popescu: neilol i meant Neil. you, i think you'll have to get into the wot first

15:31:56 mircea_popescu: !up Naphex

15:31:56 assbot: Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.

15:32:02 Naphex: thanks

15:32:16 Naphex: tbh this might be an annoying system :]

15:32:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+] {3}

15:32:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05115252 = 0.2046 BTC [-] {3}

15:32:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-] {3}

15:33:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's it, like 3 bux a round

15:33:28 BingoBoingo: Lemme pull that up

15:33:29 mircea_popescu: Naphex get rated then it's a breeze

15:33:42 Naphex: don't do much OTC to get rated

15:34:13 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Rifle_cartridge_comparison.jpg anyway, instructive comparison.

15:34:58 BingoBoingo: No less than $3.50 quickly goes up from there

15:35:27 pankkake: first one is basically a dildo

15:35:42 mircea_popescu: http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ammunition/rifle-ammunition/50-bmg/federal-american-eagle-50-bmg-618gr-tactical-tracer-10rds-xm17c.html

15:35:45 mircea_popescu: they're tracers tho

15:36:04 mircea_popescu: but in principle if you're practice shooting you dun care.

15:36:35 mircea_popescu: http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FAXM33C 3.30 nato 660gr

15:36:37 BingoBoingo: Well depends on how far you are practicing out to.

15:36:45 bounce: funny how those "birthers" complain about policies set by, er, the previous guy?

15:36:51 mircea_popescu: "Due to limited supplies, and high demand this item has a 10 piece maximum order quantity per customer, every 1 day." heh

15:36:57 BingoBoingo: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=589

15:37:14 mircea_popescu: meanwhile copper is tanking.

15:37:24 mircea_popescu: da fuck will this world make sense.

15:37:38 BingoBoingo: bounce: To be fair they were also angry about the guy before the previous guy

15:38:00 mircea_popescu: pankkake kinda has to be a dildo, cause otherwise body armor.

15:38:23 BingoBoingo: Also trucks

15:38:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03261752 = 0.1305 BTC [-] {3}

15:38:54 bounce: that sounds like what I'd been thinking already: they're looking for excuses to dislike, instead of just admitting they don't like that party

15:39:14 mircea_popescu: anyway, they're like 20kj per shot.

15:39:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315005 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}

15:39:54 mircea_popescu: bascially works as anti aircraft too

15:40:14 bounce: tree fiddy a round

15:40:41 mircea_popescu: should go through about an inch of steel.

15:41:04 Naphex: anybody from blockchain.info / or with connections to buy some ad space on it?

15:41:38 mircea_popescu: keonne

15:41:57 mircea_popescu: iirc he worked there, can prolly get you in touch with whoever.

15:42:37 Naphex: alright, thanks

15:44:03 BingoBoingo: Basically there are a lot of people who want the US to collapse the wrong way, and they were ready to see it happen over cows.

15:44:58 mircea_popescu: http://cryptome.org/2014/04/home-made-sec.htm << cryptome bravely wades into the public, withoiut a +m

15:45:01 mircea_popescu: curious how long they last.

15:49:47 wywialm: ha, it works!

15:50:03 wywialm: thanks, mircea_popescu

15:50:15 mircea_popescu: yw

15:50:18 bounce: what, there's a right way to collapse?

15:50:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00096616 = 7.2462 BTC [+]

15:50:44 mircea_popescu: the russians don't agree, but i would say the way the soviet union collapsed is the right way to collapse.

15:51:06 mircea_popescu: no violence, massive humiliation, come back in two decades as a major.

15:51:07 Apocalyptic: bounce, there is, like there is a right way to land a plan without engines

15:51:34 Naphex: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.encryption.openssl.user/51243

15:51:37 Apocalyptic: *plane

15:51:59 Naphex: akamai released a guarded allocator for openssl

15:52:01 bounce: IMO there's a larger issue but this is as good a hook as any, and that's that plenty the infrastructure relies on same being present and functional. there's a few ways to guard against that, and we might investigate them all.

15:52:02 Naphex: how nice of em

15:52:08 wywialm: how can this scenario be possible in case of US?

15:53:05 mircea_popescu: wywialm same way it was possible in the case of the ussr, i guess.

15:53:10 mircea_popescu: it never seems possible till it happens.

15:53:35 bounce: might be useful to survey the cracks and see how serious they are

15:53:56 mircea_popescu: bounce im not sure i follow your thought.

15:56:14 mircea_popescu: Naphex so what exactly is your function at this btcxchange thing ?

15:56:44 bounce: like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption, that sort of thing. map it out.

15:56:57 asciilifeform: re: that rifle - for some reason it is astoundingly popular.

15:57:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you know the reason ?

15:57:32 wywialm: bounce, what is your estimate of the current us cracks?

15:57:33 Naphex: mircea_popescu: mostly coding

15:57:35 asciilifeform: anti-materiel round

15:57:40 mircea_popescu: Naphex so who runs it ?

15:57:47 asciilifeform: a (very theoretical) pill against 'black helicopter' etc.

15:58:04 *: bounce hasn't even started with the study. but it looks less well than it perhaps ought to be.

15:58:38 Naphex: mircea_popescu: Horea Vuscan is the owner

15:59:01 Duffer1: is he the wallet or the ceo?

15:59:03 Duffer1: both?

15:59:54 mircea_popescu: seems the assbot was asleep at that time, but this was discussed once before : http://dpaste.com/1780498/

16:00:06 mircea_popescu: so whose was the idea to print the cert ? horea vuscan's ?

16:00:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.44522880 BTC to 8`385 shares, 41088 satoshi per share

16:00:52 wywialm: bounce, mircea_popescu, do you imagine that us collapse would come together with general usG collapse, including official default?

16:01:08 mircea_popescu: bounce i think your methodology is broken, in that it assumes a sort of linear scalability. broken government is not akin to broken windows.

16:01:27 mircea_popescu: wywialm us collapse = usg collapse. what else ? not like kansas will fall off the map or something.

16:01:30 Naphex: mircea_popescu: it's suposed to be wholly transparent, so yeah printing the cert was included

16:01:34 bounce: where'd you find linearity? o_O?

16:01:38 Naphex: public owner, cert printed, offices exist etc

16:01:44 mircea_popescu: Naphex aite send me mail from its domain i'll give you a 1 rating

16:01:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 683 @ 0.00015999 = 0.1093 BTC [+] {2}

16:01:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 2.43718776 BTC to 148`428 shares, 1642 satoshi per share

16:02:09 mircea_popescu: bounce here : "like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption, that sort of thing. map it out."

16:02:41 asciilifeform: 'predicting that something is going to happen is a lot easier than predicting when something will happen. Suppose you have an old bridge: the concrete is cracked, chunks of it are missing with rusty rebar showing through. An inspector declares it ?structurally deficient.? This bridge is definitely going to collapse at some point, but on what date? That is something that nobody can tell you. If you push for

16:02:41 asciilifeform: an answer, you might hear something like this: If it doesn?t collapse within a year, then it might stay up for another two. And if it stays up that long, then it might stay up for another decade. But if it stays up for an entire decade, then it will probably collapse within a year or two of that, because, given its rate of deterioration, at that point it will be entirely unclear what is holding it up.'

16:02:54 asciilifeform: (orlov, 'fragility and collapse.' http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/06/fragility-and-collapse-slowly-at-first.html)

16:03:03 bounce: I don't see it. I was saying to map it, do linear regression on it.

16:03:32 wywialm: i can imagine us collapse in the sense of it falling apart with some central power still serving the debt etc - not very realistic scenario, sure. I just wanted to ask to be sure

16:03:34 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

16:03:35 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00095936 / 0.00096627 (269828 shares, 258.86 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096649 / 0.00101 (3227854 shares, 3,119.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00092994 / 0.00101 (22778761 shares, 21,183.10 BTC)

16:04:24 BingoBoingo: wywialm: Basically the thing to hope for is USSR style collapse rather than Somalia style collapse

16:04:29 asciilifeform: '...If the number of cement chunks falling out of your bridge keeps doubling, you can compute the moment when every last piece of the bridge will be in the river, and that is your upper bound.'

16:05:15 benkay: little pockets of civilization will endure, wywialm.

16:05:27 benkay: near eletricity generation sites, i'm hoping.

16:05:29 mircea_popescu: bounce so you don't see where linearity is in "linear regression" ?

16:06:13 bounce: oh, there's a "not" missing there. duh.

16:06:44 mircea_popescu: lol ok, well, if you elide nots it'll become hard to follow :D

16:07:23 dignork: mircea_popescu: I talked with Spondoolies-Tech CEO, he'll try to get to this channel later tonight, if you have any specific questions I can forward then in the meantime

16:07:56 *: dignork trying his shilling skills

16:08:38 bounce: point was to make visible the rot. what to do after that, well... can even just eyeball the thing and look at crumbling acceleration rates and such

16:09:02 asciilifeform: 'Spondoolies' ?! - actual name of something ?

16:09:35 dignork: asciilifeform: yes, no idea where the name came from

16:09:42 asciilifeform: lol

16:10:12 bounce: wikipedia knows, of course. sea shells.

16:10:14 wywialm: surely some sort of (even collapse-induced) decentralisation/recentralisation of power could bring much fresh air, but...

16:10:31 dexX7: can anyone tell me how google and other providers handle email rejections? i have some trouble with a hoster which i'm using as intermediate hop to relay my mails.. and currently every request/mail is rejected. service said they'll fix it "in the next 24 hours" -.-"

16:10:47 wywialm: ...but it's hard for me to believe that us is the first in line

16:10:50 bounce: noticed how the french revolution caused /more/, not less, centralisation? france hasn't quite recovered yet.

16:11:23 fluffypony: dexX7: typically they let it through but flag it as spam unless something is very wrong

16:11:38 fluffypony: dexX7: is the intermediary hop in your SPF record?

16:11:42 wywialm: bounce, surely, but the ussr collapse, which is (as i noticed) main reference point now, lead to less centralization

16:12:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.03114122 = 0.5294 BTC [-] {5}

16:13:10 dexX7: i set the ns records of the hop in the domain settings and the intermediate simply redirects the mails

16:13:43 wywialm: so it's not easy to perform generalizations here. Probably most obvious example of decentralizing "collapse" (or rather decline) would be Rome

16:13:55 bounce: that took a goodly while, though

16:14:17 wywialm: maybe the key difference is the time - and gradual nature

16:14:23 bounce: likewise the ottoman empire

16:14:25 fluffypony: dexX7: yes, but the email will look like it's coming from the intermediary, no? so it will have to be in your SPF?

16:14:35 wywialm: bounce, thats why "collapse" and not collapse

16:14:47 dexX7: i guess: yes

16:15:00 mircea_popescu: ;;rate Naphex 1 btcxchange.ro

16:15:01 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Naphex has been recorded.

16:15:02 bounce: and, I don't think russia is quite done yet.

16:15:11 mircea_popescu: dignork that is splendid

16:15:20 mircea_popescu: no rush or anything

16:15:32 Naphex: worked, thans

16:15:48 mircea_popescu: bounce as a "map the rot" project this is probably valuable even if it gets no direct results.

16:15:51 Naphex: thanks even

16:16:05 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

16:16:05 mircea_popescu: little better available in training devices in any craft than "failure examination"

16:16:06 fluffypony: dexX7: I'm guessing, of course, I may be wrong

16:16:12 mircea_popescu: Naphex yw

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16:16:45 mircea_popescu: <wywialm> ...but it's hard for me to believe that us is the first in line << it's the first in line of the set {US}

16:16:52 dexX7: well, should not be much of a problem, even if it's a blackhole at the moment. thanks fluffy anyway :)

16:16:58 asciilifeform: http://www.rfcafe.com/miscellany/contests/images/an-introduction-to-error-analysis.jpg

16:17:01 fluffypony: dexX7: btw is this being used programmatically by a system, or is it normal user-generated emails?

16:17:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.063602 = 0.1908 BTC [-] {2}

16:17:08 asciilifeform: (cover of an old uni textbook i had)

16:17:37 Apocalyptic: "ADAM BACK, CHIEF CRYPTOGRAPHY OFFICER"

16:17:41 mircea_popescu: <wywialm> maybe the key difference is the time - and gradual nature << they didn't have the press. which is why it took longer. ussr didn't have the internet, which is why it took so damned long.

16:17:43 Apocalyptic: that's a title you don't see very often

16:17:49 mircea_popescu: the us can collapse in all of two weeks, as tech stands today.

16:18:04 BingoBoingo: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/texas/alamo-urinator-sentenced-to-prison-765419

16:18:26 dexX7: rabbit answered re: cold glass devices and probably comes by sooner or later

16:18:49 asciilifeform: cold glass?

16:18:52 dexX7: *dildos

16:18:53 dexX7: hehe

16:18:53 dexX7: sec

16:19:07 dexX7: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566626.0;all

16:19:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0075 = 0.3 BTC [+]

16:19:24 fluffypony: dexX7: been using this recently, and it's awesome: http://www.mailgun.com

16:19:30 dexX7: fluffypony: it's simply a webhost with mail service which redirects all incomings

16:20:09 bounce: checked the DNSBLs?

16:20:43 BingoBoingo: dexX7: Do you have DKIM set up?

16:20:46 mircea_popescu: Naphex you'll prolly have to point out to your boss you're doing more marketing/pr than anyone there.

16:20:48 mircea_popescu: time for a raise.

16:21:14 mircea_popescu: fluffypony srsly ? wtf does it do ? i was just deriding it yest.

16:21:20 asciilifeform: 'NFC technology, you can be certain that the chip inside is exactly your chip- it has a unique authenticity signature, non-clonable, and most usefully, an access counter.' << someone needs 'protocol vs. promise' lesson?

16:21:53 Naphex: mircea_popescu: hehe, will send him a note :] only got 2 extra toothpicks this year:(

16:22:14 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I have constant issues with customers marking order updates as spam accidentally/on purpose, have that happen a few times and suddenly all customers stop getting emails from your domain

16:22:16 bounce: what, you're saying broadcasting unique serial numbers is somehow not automagic security on top? but! It's NFC, man!

16:22:26 fluffypony: all GMail customers, sorry

16:22:30 fluffypony: should have specified that

16:22:39 mircea_popescu: is this vuscan fellow the son of the oil factory vuscan, with the 3 victims traffic accident ?

16:22:40 fluffypony: but mailgun mails seem to go through no problem

16:22:43 dexX7: well, there is something about DKIM in the header

16:22:49 Naphex: mircea_popescu: yes

16:22:54 mircea_popescu: ic

16:22:55 Naphex: former Horea Oil

16:23:18 Naphex: for cooking, was named after him i think

16:23:31 joecool: BingoBoingo: lawl, ozzy got away with paying texas $10k to forget about it

16:23:48 BingoBoingo: joecool: Yeah

16:23:59 mircea_popescu: fluffypony so basically it sells you gmail protection services ? the spam racket ?

16:24:07 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: bingo

16:24:12 dexX7: anyway. i'm away again, thanks and bye :)

16:24:22 mircea_popescu: how the fuck is ycombinator involved in everything unsavoury.

16:24:43 bounce: they're angels, that's why

16:24:46 pankkake: dexX7: the basics are: reverse dns of sending server should be related to the expeditor domain (or at least be something), and SPF entries are always a plus

16:24:51 wywialm: mircea_popescu, still i don't see how currently visible and not visible but suspected cracks might bring down us

16:24:57 rithm: it's called "hacker news" after all

16:25:03 pankkake: you can search your IP on DNSBLs, maybe you've been flagged

16:25:04 joecool: $4k to "pay for the damage" who gets paid $4k to hose off a wall?

16:25:21 mircea_popescu: wywialm this is why i made my linearity objeciton. it won't collapse because of "cracks". it will collapse because all the people that matter are fucking sick of it.

16:25:32 mircea_popescu: and the people that matter are the 1%, not the average fucktard on reddit/the metro.

16:26:08 wywialm: true

16:26:32 fluffypony: yeah, because Occupy Wall Street was so successful

16:26:43 fluffypony: it just kinda went nowhere and fizzled out

16:26:54 bounce: so? hairline cracks are much less % of aeroplanes, but if you don't watch out the wings might still fall off

16:27:01 bounce: s/less/& than/

16:27:03 asciilifeform: 'occupy lolstreet' is analogous to zhirinovsky's political party in the late ussr

16:27:08 wywialm: still, these people have some exposure to us treasuries - and yields are further than anytime from signaling default

16:27:09 asciilifeform: yes, the one set up by kgb

16:27:12 bounce: argl, cancel subst

16:27:15 Naphex: mircea_popescu: funny how people always remember the victim count :P

16:27:20 *: bounce needs food, badly

16:27:20 asciilifeform: as 'first second party!11!'

16:29:05 mircea_popescu: wywialm actually the exposure to treasuries is mostly pension funds.

16:29:37 asciilifeform: both -> exposure to 'bail-in'

16:30:10 wywialm: from my knowledge, the highest exposure is interbank collateral, bank reserves and China

16:30:29 mircea_popescu: in other news, the bubble is having trouble

16:30:30 mircea_popescu: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101585397

16:31:08 mircea_popescu: wywialm we were talking fo the {1%, 99%} set I thought

16:31:26 mircea_popescu: banks reduce to their shareholders, and foreign sovereigns don't count

16:31:56 mircea_popescu: china holding us debt is no sort of statement of confidence in the usg, quite the contrary, it's a claim on its asshole.

16:32:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.0009663 = 16.0406 BTC [+] {3}

16:34:16 wywialm: i once gave it (the china matter) a thought, and currently i believe it is to weak a claim. in case of default, china would get much much more hurt than us

16:34:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC

16:34:55 wywialm: and banks are currently increasingly departed from their shareholders, too close to washington, dc

16:35:23 mircea_popescu: wywialm how do you figure, "much more hurt" ?

16:35:30 bounce: re asimov story: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/04/07/business/gods-edging-out-robots-at-toyota-facility/

16:35:46 mircea_popescu: "china takes over alaska administration, in consideration of debts owed by us government"

16:35:48 mircea_popescu: not thaty hurt.

16:37:35 wywialm: china banking system is built upon dollar reserves, after they evaporate, china could only use military force. And when it comes to war, any claim can serve only as a pretext

16:37:56 wywialm: i don't believe china would need a pretext if they were sufficiently prepared

16:38:12 mircea_popescu: i don't see that claim.

16:38:24 wywialm: bonds as a claim

16:38:26 mircea_popescu: chinese banks were built that way briefly in the 70s, i would guess.

16:38:57 mircea_popescu: meanwhile it's a lot more complicated, they also peg to the euro, they also peg to a russian synthetic-currency derived out of energy holdings,

16:39:03 mircea_popescu: and these are just the big ones

16:40:15 mircea_popescu: http://en.voice-yemen.com/content/uploads/blog-64-china-exports.jpg this is illustrative.

16:40:23 wywialm: why then the china monetary growth halts so rapidly when US QE3 is gradually folding, both in terms of dollar money supply growth and expectation of its future path?

16:40:37 mircea_popescu: their asian interests marginally exceed us and europe combined, for instance.

16:40:48 mircea_popescu: so while it wouldn't be alaksa per se, there's plenty of places it can be.

16:41:57 mircea_popescu: wywialm many possible reasons. they had a number of local crises brewing for a long time, when your neighbour is arrested for unkempt yard is a good time to do a little lawn mowing in your own.

16:43:38 wywialm: if the dollar wasn't their main reference point and concern, PBoC could sustain their previous money growth at will

16:43:55 wywialm: after all, inflating the currency is not so difficult

16:44:41 mircea_popescu: of course they could.

16:44:45 mircea_popescu: they don't seem to want to.

16:45:08 bounce: how much for alaska, buying a free state with bitcoin?

16:45:08 wywialm: obviously true, at least in case of china.

16:45:44 wywialm: i remember some economists claiming that e.g. Japan couldn't inflate any further by printing money

16:45:47 mircea_popescu: bounce i would guess when it eventually sells it'll be something like 500k-1mn btc

16:46:16 wywialm: that was before Kuroda at the BoJ, of course

16:46:31 mircea_popescu: wywialm lol

16:46:51 wywialm: google richard koo, if i recall correcty

16:47:06 mircea_popescu: "Today, the tech industry is apparently on track to destroy one of the world?s most valuable cultural treasures, San Francisco, "

16:47:18 mircea_popescu: dude holy shit. san francisco is barely fucking notable, what is this navel grazing crap.

16:47:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

16:48:47 wywialm: and hordes of speciffically flavoured keynesians fearing the zero lower bound of interest rates, the called for fiscal expansion as a substitute

16:49:34 mircea_popescu: wywialm japan is not salvageable anyway.

16:49:41 bounce: o_O?

16:49:48 mircea_popescu: it has a history, but no future, just like england has a history, but no future.

16:50:16 Apocalyptic: not so sure about england

16:50:21 Apocalyptic: but definitely about Japan

16:50:25 mircea_popescu: they'll be the 51th state of their respective local superpowers, and be used exactly like san francisco is used today

16:50:33 joecool: nubbins`: you buying at all? i need a small amount of CAD

16:50:40 mircea_popescu: "o hey, 200 years ago mark twain whom you've read though this place was pretty cool.

16:50:43 mircea_popescu: back then, it was."

16:50:44 wywialm: i agree about japan

16:52:24 mircea_popescu: anyway, this piece is pretty lulzy http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/

16:56:59 Naphex: mircea_popescu: how do I get btcx data into gribble?:D

16:57:09 fluffypony: Naphex: ask nanotube

16:57:29 mircea_popescu: nanotube may help you with that, possibly also talk to tcatm (runs bitcoincharts)

16:57:30 pankkake: first step is being on bitcoincharts I think

16:57:48 fluffypony: good point

16:58:17 thestringpuller: ;;ud hold up

16:58:18 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hold%20up | hold up. wait a minute! postpone your plans, there's something that must be addressed immediately. hold up, let me grab some munchies before we get goin.

16:58:19 Naphex: thanks

16:58:37 Naphex: already rolled out api, just need some accessors to help people with the public data

16:58:43 Naphex: https://api.btcxchange.ro/

16:59:08 danielpbarron: do you run that site?

16:59:36 thestringpuller: benkay: you actually here or just frontin'

16:59:43 Naphex: hoping to finish the data plant and eur support sometime next week

16:59:43 asciilifeform: 'The Google Bus protesters have said that the company should build housing on its campus, but the Mountain View city council has explicitly forbidden Google from doing just that. They?ve argued that it?s to protect the city?s burrowing owl population.' << real estate parasites want to live too

17:00:04 Naphex: danielpbarron: one of the main programmers behind it

17:03:25 benkay: i'm here thestringpuller

17:06:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0524999 = 0.105 BTC [-]

17:08:06 bounce: programmer? can you describe your set-up a bit?

17:12:19 Naphex: bounce: setup of what, like the workstation?

17:12:59 bounce: whatever you think is important about developing and running the exchange.

17:15:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.03199918 = 1.76 BTC [+] {4}

17:15:09 jborkl: mircea_popescu you see the American Airways twitter reponse yesterday?

17:15:30 mircea_popescu: jborkl that they apologise ? ya

17:15:53 jborkl: ya

17:17:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03280624 = 0.2624 BTC [+] {3}

17:17:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0637 = 0.1274 BTC [-]

17:19:55 wywialm: !down

17:19:55 assbot: Need a nickname, wywialm.

17:20:02 wywialm: !down wywialm

17:20:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.063602 = 0.3816 BTC [-]

17:20:19 mircea_popescu: lolwut

17:20:24 mircea_popescu: !down wywialm

17:20:33 mircea_popescu: hahaha niceone

17:20:36 Naphex: bounce: well for the trading engine i focused a lot on performance and security

17:21:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.08299776 = 0.581 BTC [-] {2}

17:21:21 Apocalyptic: Naphex, is it in php ?

17:21:25 Naphex: Apocalyptic: lol no

17:21:45 Apocalyptic: what language then ?

17:21:49 Naphex: Apocalyptic: java for the backend

17:22:13 mircea_popescu: http://sgtreport.com/2014/04/unidentified-fighter-jets-open-fire-on-kramatorsk-airfield-casualties-reported/

17:22:31 mircea_popescu: java is focused on security ?!

17:22:34 Naphex: php for some of the frontend with no handling of critical data

17:22:59 Naphex: mircea_popescu: yeah, its not like its running in the browser

17:23:20 Naphex: plus you run it on isolated enviroment with no other vulnerable cruft there

17:23:32 wywialm: why did i get de-identified? why did i get kicked instead of muted?

17:23:45 mircea_popescu: wywialm questions for the ages.

17:23:51 Naphex: and you clean the input through load balancers before fowarding in it

17:24:50 Naphex: i expect more vulnerable code from C guys then Java guys tbh

17:25:00 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> java is focused on security ?! // surprised as well, it's not focused on performance either

17:25:26 pankkake: a selling point of java is its simplicity (I'm gentle, I hate that aspect but well)

17:25:27 Apocalyptic: gotta love that fat VM

17:25:29 Naphex: its pretty high performance if you're not running on shitty servlets

17:25:37 pankkake: in return it's easy to analyze

17:25:48 Naphex: Standalone java, nio, is pretty high performance tbh

17:25:54 TestingUnoDosTre: Haha American airlines twitted some pron?

17:25:56 Naphex: BigDecimal performance nicely as well

17:26:02 Naphex: don't belive it, try some benchmarks :P

17:26:05 Apocalyptic: Naphex, high performance compared to what an equivalent code compiled in C ? doubt it

17:26:17 fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: yeah saw that, it's hilarious :)

17:26:49 pankkake: java is amazing in the sense that it performs well at benchmark

17:26:49 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

17:26:58 pankkake: but when you use it it FEELS so slow

17:27:10 Naphex: runs pretty good

17:27:28 Apocalyptic: pankkake, java and amazing don't belong to the same sentence, ever :D

17:27:28 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

17:27:37 fluffypony: I'll take an exchange with Java on the back than PHP any day

17:27:56 pankkake: fluffypony: yeah. even though, again, I really don't like Java as a developer

17:28:04 Naphex: i like it

17:28:10 fluffypony: pankkake: I personally dislike it too

17:28:12 Naphex: and i do C, C++ as well

17:28:36 Naphex: nothing to dislike about it

17:28:55 Naphex: imho

17:29:25 Naphex: its got hard types, you get away from low level

17:29:33 Naphex: its not that bad too scale, threading is a breeze

17:29:41 Naphex: NIO classes are awesome

17:30:29 Naphex: everything is checked, exceptions everywhere (yes a good thing) :)

17:30:46 Apocalyptic: exception handlers are a killing performance

17:30:46 Naphex: nothing to qq about

17:30:58 pankkake: yes, it's certainly cleaner than C++ on that aspect

17:31:12 Apocalyptic: you get away from low level // that's almost always a bad thing in performance critical applications

17:31:22 Naphex: Apocalyptic: they don't kill too much performance when you are sensible about it

17:31:31 Apocalyptic: i.e. it will probably spend a tremendous amount of time doing things you don't want it doing

17:31:43 bounce: how do load balancers clean input?

17:31:45 Naphex: doing Price-Time prio is not that performance critical that you can't do it with BigDecimal and java

17:31:55 Naphex: or you have to do a C/C plugin to optimize :P

17:32:16 Apocalyptic: plugins ?

17:32:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00096695 = 1.257 BTC [+]

17:32:21 Naphex: bounce: load balancer with packet inspection, validate messages and packets before

17:32:32 Apocalyptic: since you work with sathosi-precision an uint_64 is all you need

17:32:46 Apocalyptic: he bignum library will once again slow things down

17:32:49 Apocalyptic: *the

17:32:53 Naphex: Apocalyptic: as in write a C .so to implement/optimize bogdowns

17:32:55 bounce: validate in what sense, ip packets? tcp streams?

17:33:10 Naphex: Apocalyptic: its not about that, you eventually want to support more currencies and some money formatting

17:33:27 Apocalyptic: so what ?

17:33:27 Naphex: bounce: down to data packets for specific services

17:33:48 Apocalyptic: you're telling me you will need to store things above 64-bit precision ?

17:34:04 bounce: http, or what're you taking in, FIX?

17:34:05 Apocalyptic: zimbabwe dollars planned soon ?

17:34:17 Naphex: hehe

17:34:20 fluffypony: I'd love me some Zim Dollaz

17:34:50 BingoBoingo: http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140414/NEWS08/304140043/Pentagon-condemns-provocative-Russian-military-action-against-U-S-Navy-ship

17:35:14 Naphex: Apocalyptic: its not that, but a lot more went into picking java, and i definetly wouldn't have picked C:P

17:35:26 Apocalyptic: why ?

17:35:38 Naphex: programmer availability would have been another one

17:35:45 Apocalyptic: for now all you're arguments for using java are kinda superfluous

17:35:46 Naphex: hard to find good C programmers vs java ones

17:35:52 Apocalyptic: *your

17:36:02 Naphex: this around the location where i live

17:36:08 Apocalyptic: and it's clearly not optimized for performance given what you've described

17:36:12 kakobrekla: ;;rate usagi 1 Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market price rise. The contract did not involve a requirement of leaving the feedback, but since he is asking to give him back btc 'for old time

17:36:12 kakobrekla: sakes', I will leave this feedback here.

17:36:13 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user usagi has been recorded.

17:36:15 Naphex: easier to debug, maintain and analyze code others produced

17:36:17 kakobrekla: fuck it doesnt fit

17:36:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13465 @ 0.00096695 = 13.02 BTC [+]

17:36:40 Apocalyptic: <Naphex> easier to debug, maintain and analyze code others produced // ok this is a point

17:36:46 pankkake: omg!

17:36:51 Apocalyptic: but you will notice it has nothing to do with performance or securit

17:36:53 Apocalyptic: +y

17:37:22 fluffypony: kakobrekla: now he'll have to recant his earlier statement

17:37:23 bounce: so, java for the back-end and some php for some front. what about the tradig webfront and the trading api?

17:37:24 fluffypony: Marc

17:37:25 Naphex: is from a java / rpc server standpoind :]

17:37:30 kakobrekla: :D

17:37:43 bounce: s/dig/ding/

17:37:51 fluffypony: Markakobrekla

17:38:07 kakobrekla: ;;rate usagi 1 Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market price rise. The contract did not involve a clause re. wot, but since he is asking back btc, I will leave it here.

17:38:08 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user usagi has changed from 1 to 1.

17:38:12 kakobrekla: thar.

17:38:23 Naphex: bounce: trading api just hits same engine api server as the frontend

17:39:51 mircea_popescu: Naphex you know you should be using ints for bitcoin in the first place. wtf decimal bs is this

17:40:15 fluffypony: yurp

17:40:18 Apocalyptic: mircea, see above

17:40:52 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wins the "longest rate comment" contest.

17:41:00 kakobrekla: lol

17:41:07 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yeah you beat me to it :p

17:41:13 Naphex: mircea_popescu: http://java-performance.info/bigdecimal-vs-double-in-financial-calculations/

17:41:42 Apocalyptic: who said anything about double ?

17:41:51 mircea_popescu: Naphex int dood. not decimal of any kind. int.

17:42:04 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot usagi

17:42:05 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012

17:42:08 bounce: everybody knows accounting should be done on the double

17:42:10 mircea_popescu: check that shit out.

17:42:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0525 = 0.1575 BTC [+] {2}

17:42:33 Naphex: mircea_popescu: bigdecimal gets to deal with all that, and you don't have to store multiple currencies with a scale value as well

17:42:49 Naphex: i have multi-currency support handled in the engine

17:43:10 mircea_popescu: if i were designing this it'd all be satoshi based, and your 19.99 dollars'd read as 1999000000

17:43:19 mircea_popescu: but anyway1

17:43:22 Apocalyptic: ^

17:43:40 Naphex: and then you would've have kept the scale value as well right

17:43:42 Apocalyptic: maybe just set some smaller precision on the fiat side

17:43:45 Naphex: USD scale .2

17:43:52 bounce: alright, so, you cook up a new feature. hit reload and it goes live? or how does that work?

17:43:52 Naphex: dogecoin .scale 8

17:44:07 mircea_popescu: Naphex why keep a scale value ?

17:44:10 Apocalyptic: bounce, hotswapping code, gotta love it

17:44:21 mircea_popescu: you're on a 64 bit system, who the fuck is going to deposit enough dollars to take you out of maxint

17:44:28 Naphex: i dunno

17:44:35 Naphex: why care about that>

17:44:36 bounce: YKINMK, and anyway, let the guy explain

17:44:38 Apocalyptic: mircea, because he uses some arbitrary precision library he doesn't have a clue that he doesn't need it

17:44:42 Naphex: use bigdecimal and let it handle o.O

17:44:54 mircea_popescu: 92`233`720`368.54775807 worst case scenario.

17:44:58 mircea_popescu: even obama dun have it.

17:45:22 bounce: or that mexican telephone guy

17:45:29 davout: Apocalyptic: what's wrong with a bigdecimal type?

17:45:42 Naphex: davout: nothing is

17:45:42 Naphex: hehe

17:46:02 Apocalyptic: compared to native int handling it's worse performance-wise

17:46:07 Apocalyptic: which is what we're arguing here

17:46:12 Naphex: i just don't need it, and would probably run faster going native

17:46:19 Naphex: too bad i run this on 32 core

17:46:29 Naphex: and i never get too feel much performance increase yet

17:46:30 davout: Apocalyptic: benchmark pl0x

17:46:46 Apocalyptic: even so, it will use 2 registers to store one Naphex

17:46:53 Apocalyptic: no big deal

17:46:56 davout: also if you really care about this kind of performance difference you're doing some seriously messed up shit

17:47:02 davout: :-)

17:47:11 Apocalyptic: still better than the thousands of CPU-cycles overhead using that BigDecimal

17:47:17 Naphex: time to start writing a new exchange engine, with its own kernel ;]

17:47:24 bounce: in perl

17:47:57 Naphex: Apocalyptic: too bad i can scale this too still low cost and get whole bitcoin exchange trafic

17:48:01 Naphex: and not break much sweat

17:48:31 davout: Apocalyptic: is it what you think or have you actually benchmarked it ? also cpu cycles are a couple of order of magnitudes cheaper than the time it takes to handle it the code level by hungry humans

17:48:42 bounce: naphex: suppose you cook up a new feature. how does it go in? save work, reload and go?

17:49:05 bounce: davout: for single applications, yes. for things that run on 30M+ cpus, not so much.

17:49:20 davout: bounce:

17:49:21 Naphex: bounce: nah, git checkout, compile, run tests, test in pre-production, run tests again

17:49:23 bounce: s/single/& deployment/ really

17:49:24 Naphex: shutdown and reload

17:49:25 davout: whoops

17:49:25 Apocalyptic: davout, i don't need to benchmark something I know will require 1 ASM MUL EAX,EBX instruction for exemple compared to a Java arbitrary-precision library

17:49:55 Naphex: when you do git checkout there are some other code preprocessing before, but doesn't matter

17:50:01 bounce: alright, so you have separate dev/test/prod environments. how does roll-back work, should that be necessary?

17:50:35 Naphex: bounce: time based snapshots, backups, and replayable transactions with microtime acuracy

17:50:43 Naphex: roll back everything to point in time X

17:50:54 Apocalyptic: "replayable transactions with microtime acuracy" now that's something nice

17:50:55 Naphex: worst case scenario manual data importing and conversiion

17:51:04 bounce: ever tested that?

17:51:13 davout: Apocalyptic: what kind of software that's so sensitive to minor performance differences were you guys discussing anyway ?

17:51:17 Naphex: bounce: yes

17:51:22 bounce: assuming you didn't have to do it in anger (yet)

17:51:22 Apocalyptic: davout, a trading engine

17:51:27 fluffypony: davout: BTC<->fiat exchange

17:51:33 bounce: what's the database like?

17:51:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 707 @ 0.00016382 = 0.1158 BTC [-] {7}

17:51:47 fluffypony: bounce: good question

17:51:55 davout: Apocalyptic fluffypony and you guys worry about this kind of performance difference?

17:52:01 fluffypony: davout: I'm not

17:52:19 Apocalyptic: davout, when you come in claiming you have focused on performance yes

17:52:22 kakobrekla: all you really need is a better string.

17:52:24 Naphex: bounce: in memory, sql back stores

17:52:27 kakobrekla: maybe a golden chain.

17:52:41 fluffypony: davout: I'd probably go Galera Cluster for the DB + something monolithic for the trading engine...python? nfi. I haven't thought this through.

17:52:43 Naphex: Apocalyptic: haven't focused that far, no more debunking needed:P

17:52:47 bounce: so java in-memory or something like I dunno memcached?

17:53:19 Naphex: java in memory, with some inhouse disk based storage, and sql backstores

17:53:24 fluffypony: Naphex: you should switch to mongodb, it it's good enough for CoinBase it should be good enough for everyone

17:53:24 fluffypony: </sarcasm>

17:53:24 fluffypony: web scale!

17:53:35 davout: Apocalyptic fluffypony i wouldn't care about that, i'd care about having a fault tolerant memory db, that slowly gets synced to an actual rdbms

17:53:50 bounce: apropos, which sql thinger?

17:53:59 Apocalyptic: mysql obviously

17:54:07 Naphex: psql

17:54:10 pankkake: obviously?

17:54:15 Apocalyptic: was joking :)

17:54:15 Naphex: obviously

17:54:18 bounce: obviously.

17:54:21 Naphex: :))

17:54:24 pankkake: :)

17:54:45 bounce: ever had the power go out?

17:54:55 Naphex: bounce: diesel backup ;]

17:55:02 Naphex: coloc

17:55:10 bounce: hope you don't have to crank it up manually. :-)

17:55:24 Naphex: there's a slave there who does it :))

17:55:44 bounce: he fast enough that the batteries don't outrun him then?

17:56:19 Naphex: he senses power loss 20 minutes early

17:56:36 Naphex: using romanian voodoo magic ;]

17:56:40 fluffypony: nice

17:56:44 fluffypony: gypsy slave?

17:56:49 fluffypony: or just ordinary slave?

17:57:01 Naphex: hehe

17:57:09 Apocalyptic: fluffypony, ask if they still have some copper left in the DC

17:57:13 fluffypony: lol

17:57:19 davout: lol

17:57:22 fluffypony: 100mbps is good enough for anyone!

17:57:32 bounce: so, that's one box with 32cpus does everything except the load balancing?

17:57:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 300 @ 0.14 = 42 BTC

17:57:47 fluffypony: 10Base-T coax, star topology?

17:58:23 Naphex: bounce: enough servers for everything, some stuff runs isolated

17:59:06 bounce: alright. monitoring?

17:59:13 fluffypony: http://network-communications.blogspot.com/2011/06/network-topology-star-bus-mesh-ring.html <- memories of networking in 1997

17:59:45 bounce: 10BASE5 tentacled bus, silly

17:59:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0667238 = 0.1334 BTC [+]

17:59:50 bounce: VAMPIRE TAPS

17:59:58 fluffypony: hah

18:00:16 Naphex: realtime monitoring, rrd's for everything with alerts, everything critical is on a dashboard :)

18:00:53 bounce: who's looking at it, you?

18:01:11 Naphex: ?

18:01:46 bounce: if that's a question.... anyway, whose phone's gonna ring when the dashboard turns red?

18:02:00 Naphex: everyones

18:02:22 bounce: how many people total, about five or so?

18:02:45 Naphex: probably

18:03:51 bounce: alright, the prosecution rests. ;-)

18:03:57 Naphex: phew :))

18:04:08 Naphex: nah its serious stuff

18:04:22 Naphex: money is important for everyone ;]

18:05:26 bounce: yeah. these're the sort of questions people should've been asking from the start.

18:05:44 bounce: you at least look to've thought about it, so that's something.

18:06:22 Naphex: i did lots of this stuff before, so most come in natural

18:06:34 bounce: you worked at a bank before?

18:06:41 Naphex: a lot more risk to expect from handling money and bitcoins then public transport data

18:07:06 Naphex: nah - no banks

18:07:28 Naphex: embedded and industrial app development, in software

18:07:30 bounce: bit of an old boys network, apparently. hard to get chummy with if you're not one of them.

18:07:33 Naphex: and lots of backends

18:07:56 bounce: ah, hence java

18:08:16 fluffypony: bounce: and also seems to be quite an MS shop in many parts, at least with the older more established banks

18:08:17 Apocalyptic: makes sense

18:08:30 Naphex: yes

18:08:44 bounce: winderz but often with ibmish backends

18:08:49 fluffypony: lots of IBM DB2 on the backend if it's really old stuff

18:08:50 fluffypony: yes

18:08:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.052 = 0.156 BTC [-]

18:10:08 bounce: really should do linux (well, *BSD really) thin clients at least for all the desks, and something reasonable for a back-end. which might still be some mainframe or other.

18:10:14 Naphex: http://www.alienconcept.ro/en/prod/cat/urban+transportation?var=2 some stuff i did

18:10:20 fluffypony: and then for some reason automation and tooling written in COBOL

18:10:39 bounce: s/desks/teller stations/

18:10:47 Naphex: http://www.alienconcept.ro/en/prod/name/citypark+ticket+vending+machines?var=1 and

18:10:48 fluffypony: bounce: from about 2003-2007 I was heavily involved with two of the local banks

18:10:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00097009 = 11.5441 BTC [+] {2}

18:11:03 fluffypony: the one, Standard Bank, ran OS/2 warp in a VM for their home loans client

18:11:24 fluffypony: literally every single agent/manager/support person in the home loans dept used that

18:11:45 fluffypony: because rewriting the system would have been too expensive, and IBM sold them on OS/2 in the 80s/90s

18:12:01 bounce: OS/2 does funky things to the hardware, apparently a bitch to emulate

18:12:56 bounce: not a bad move otherwise. though I'd still be mighty tempted to just quietly start and refactor parts until I have a fully working system, even if it takes a few years

18:13:14 fluffypony: well that was one of the projects I was on

18:13:17 fluffypony: we started with reporting

18:13:52 fluffypony: instead of live reporting off DB2 (each business unit pays for DB2 access they use over the month, so it's pricey) it was cheaper to drop and re-copy the entire DB every night to a reporting DB

18:14:05 fluffypony: re-index, and fresh reports are available in the morning

18:15:11 fluffypony: no clue if it progressed much from there, I went on to other things

18:15:25 bounce: naphex: looking cool.

18:15:45 bounce: page appears to make some unwarranted assumptions in the layout, but anyway

18:17:00 Naphex: all sorts of machines for eastern europe mostly

18:17:36 bounce: should be plenty market, if a bit cash-strapped

18:18:23 Naphex: yeah

18:19:01 Naphex: few cities in romania that use our full solution for public transport

18:19:06 Naphex: some parking meters for poland

18:27:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1715 @ 0.00019872 = 0.3408 BTC [+] {8}

18:28:15 mircea_popescu: http://mg.co.za/article/2014-04-11-zim-informal-economy-fast-taking-over

18:28:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 134 @ 0.0075 = 1.005 BTC [+]

18:29:01 fluffypony: <3 mg

18:29:06 fluffypony: it's honestly one of our better publications

18:34:43 asciilifeform: 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean

18:35:17 asciilifeform: (circa 2005 ?)

18:36:59 BingoBoingo: C == Portable language that is dangerous because it offers too many points of failure, Java ==Portable language that places points of failure in the runtime to avoid C's points of failure

18:37:36 Apocalyptic: C is raw power, it's dangerous if you don't really know what you're doing

18:37:41 asciilifeform: they give plastic scissors to grade school students, too. - but not shoemakers. not yet.

18:38:49 asciilifeform: also funny how the two 'philosophies' can co-exist in one school. we had an 'operating systems' class. C, naturally. about six people remained to take final exam.

18:39:07 asciilifeform: (from, if i recall, 40)

18:41:44 Naphex: i don't have anything against C

18:41:58 Naphex: just wouldn't use it for a big project involving 4+ programmers in a usual work day

18:42:01 Naphex: every

18:42:18 jborkl: mircea_popescu <- finally happy with this result http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140415_B5_XR9/

18:42:52 asciilifeform: there is really no reason to still be using CPU archs without bounds checking, hardware-enforced types, mechanical garbage collection, etc.

18:42:59 asciilifeform: i sorta have a blog about this.

18:43:51 BingoBoingo: Indeed

18:44:33 mike_c: hardware garbage collection? what arch does that?

18:44:39 pankkake: was going to ask that

18:44:44 pankkake: or is it possible?

18:45:34 jurov: iirc lisp machines had no addressable memory, only stack

18:45:45 jurov: no heap = no garbage colletion

18:45:59 jurov: *had -> exposed

18:48:19 mike_c: so i dump a 5mb buffer on the stack?

18:49:00 mike_c: is lisp functional? this seems odd.

18:59:08 artifexd: jborkl: Dude! That is a seriously massive improvement!

19:04:14 BingoBoingo: Cool, I don't suck much either http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140415_DA_YCD/

19:07:01 Naphex: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2326dr/evidence_of_critical_bug_found_in_atlas_ats_new/

19:09:41 bounce: bit heavy on the js for a page that doesn't look like it should need any

19:10:48 BingoBoingo: bounce: I have some basic (google free) analytics stuff.

19:10:50 Apocalyptic: Naphex, not surprising

19:11:01 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

19:11:01 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00096134 / 0.00097025 (244990 shares, 235.52 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096606 / 0.00101 (3233012 shares, 3,123.30 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00093014 / 0.00101 (22748973 shares, 21,159.92 BTC)

19:11:04 Apocalyptic: "but they said they are an industry-grade exchange !"

19:11:11 jborkl: artifexd ty - I am using a js cache on the server

19:11:44 jborkl: so might be why it looks heavy idk have not gotten that far yet

19:11:54 bounce: google isn't exactly parsimonious with client cycles.

19:13:30 Naphex: their response http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2326dr/evidence_of_critical_bug_found_in_atlas_ats_new/cgt6xs5 :)

19:16:27 bounce: pretty speedy response at least. but how the fsck do you fail to account for p/l on a day you "restart your systems"? what're they running, batch-only dinosaurs?

19:17:03 Apocalyptic: "Part of the gains or losses for that day are lost" is this acceptable ?

19:18:30 bounce: I'd say no, but I'm no accountant.

20:00:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 3.17320895 BTC to 13`595 shares, 23341 satoshi per share

20:01:24 fluffypony: http://bgr.com/2014/04/15/galaxy-s5s-fingerprint-scanner-hacked/

20:03:09 pankkake: bio id will always be stupid, why even try

20:03:16 bounce: hax! and yet you can see paypal deaffirm their religious beliefs in fingerprint "security". no wonder the hatted bunch keeps on having a field day.

20:03:23 fluffypony: pankkake I think it has its place

20:03:42 fluffypony: remember that like 90% of the world thinks "password" is an ok password, and "password1234" is secure

20:03:42 asciilifeform: jurov: hardware garbage collection? what arch does that << 'scheme-79' chip.

20:03:49 fluffypony: "password1234!" is ultra-secure

20:04:06 pankkake: maybe for unlocking the phone if it has been unlocked less than an hour ago, but I would never put more trust in it

20:04:11 fluffypony: yes

20:04:11 bounce: spaceballs.

20:04:11 fluffypony: but

20:04:21 fluffypony: stuff like TouchID when coupled with iCloud Keychain is awesome for the general populace

20:04:31 fluffypony: as it makes drive-by attacks much harder

20:04:48 fluffypony: and moves the attack surface from drive-by, remove attacks, to on-device/in-person attacks

20:04:55 fluffypony: which are more sophisticated and targeted

20:05:35 bounce: why yes, "make believe security" and other snake oil are awesome for the general populace

20:06:02 fluffypony: bounce: we're talking about a significant improvement over the current state of affairs, that isn't snake oil

20:06:21 fluffypony: unless you believe user education is going to work and everyone is suddenly going to start using secure one-time passwords :-P

20:07:07 bounce: convenient shiny fingerprint pads with pre-supplied fingerprints are of course very well helped when secured by... fingerprints

20:07:41 fluffypony: sure, but it requires physical presence

20:07:58 fluffypony: you need to physically control the device

20:08:18 fluffypony: and unless you know I'm Bob the Billionaire with Billionz in his Bank...why target me?

20:10:27 bounce: sure, pickpockets and petty thieves usually prefer billionaires, that's a fact.

20:12:33 fluffypony: I don't think there's been a successful attack on TouchID / Samsung's fingerprint login that lifted a fingerprint from the device and used it to unlock it?

20:13:41 Naphex: fluffypony: backdoors in phone software ninjaing your accesses?:p

20:14:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1770 @ 0.00096649 = 1.7107 BTC [-] {2}

20:14:38 bounce: what was that lovely bypass bug in iOS again?

20:14:51 bounce: then there's the radio interface side

20:14:52 fluffypony: Naphex: yeah but that's a different attack surface entirely, I'm just talking about taking the general security level of the general populace up a notch

20:15:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096426 = 4.2427 BTC [-]

20:15:06 fluffypony: bounce: I fully agree, but again, we're not talking about sophisticated attacks here

20:15:35 bounce: the thing is that this "general populace" includes everyone, which to the fone company certainly includes *you*

20:15:53 nubbins`: joecool_ sorry, i generally don't buy

20:15:54 Apocalyptic: what's the last word on danny ?

20:16:04 fluffypony: bounce: also most of the iOS bypass bugs I've played with have exposed photos, or the dialler, or something...not a complete unmitigated unlock

20:16:49 fluffypony: Apocalyptic: this thing - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/

20:17:01 bounce: the only real fix is that we really start thinking about this, and indeed, educate most people --which used to be possible, they learned their letters and numbers too, after all-- instead of just throwing the latest in buzzwordery at it. like "biometrics".

20:17:19 bounce: especially since biometrics are fundamentally and fatally flawed

20:17:50 mircea_popescu: "I assure you our system is not fundamentally flawed, there are bugs and we try to find them before the customer."

20:17:59 mircea_popescu: this sounds vaguely bitdaytradesque

20:18:13 Apocalyptic: ty fluffypony

20:18:25 Naphex: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/22/iphone_5_touchid_broken_by_chaos_computer_club/ back in '13

20:18:35 bounce: it's the industry standard, with pentesting and other such "due diligence"

20:18:40 mircea_popescu: fluffypony "password1234!" is ultra-secure << remember the 88seals88 and pokerseals etc pws ?

20:19:06 fluffypony: lol yeah

20:19:19 kakobrekla: 88seals88 ?

20:19:22 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> unless you believe user education is going to work and everyone is suddenly going to start using secure one-time passwords :-P << i just belive everyone who isn't is going to be relegated to the salt mines. why should every human qualify as a "user" ?

20:19:29 fluffypony: kakobrekla: http://thehackernews.com/2013/12/SealsWithClubs-bitcoin-poker-hacked-password-dump_20.html

20:19:45 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: so survival of the secure-ist?

20:19:57 mircea_popescu: yes.

20:20:12 BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/15/a-better-toy-computer-vaxberry-pie/

20:20:18 mircea_popescu: whosoever can not use a computer, should not be using computers.

20:20:32 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: agreed. is this about the time I self-identify as a bitcoin-assets cultist?

20:20:39 fluffypony: cultee?

20:20:43 kakobrekla: jesus fuuck 42k members?

20:21:07 mircea_popescu: perhaps ?

20:21:21 mircea_popescu: but you know... what now, make books that even people who won't learn the alphabet can read ?

20:21:26 mircea_popescu: make a math that doesn't need numbers ?

20:21:28 mircea_popescu: enough i say.

20:22:05 fluffypony: maybe there should be a test

20:22:05 mircea_popescu: bounce tbh biometrics was a thing of the 70s i thought. pretty much all sf of that decade had it, and by 90s it was in every action movie out there.

20:22:16 bounce: bingoboingo: later model MIPS in new process might be interesting too

20:22:23 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah that was actually a pw.

20:22:29 fluffypony: it could start with the difference between your and you're, than and then, and (to spite me) principal and principle:-P

20:22:35 mircea_popescu: fluffypony there is a test.

20:23:00 Apocalyptic: "I have a family funeral to attend." #1 BS excuse

20:23:17 Apocalyptic: seriously the guy isn't even trying to sound legit

20:23:24 bounce: oh, you want 32bit. hm. how about Z80000 for something nicely obscure? maybe moto 88k?

20:23:26 kakobrekla: it was the hamster.

20:23:28 fluffypony: Apocalyptic: I always ask if I can go along to provide support :)

20:24:15 kakobrekla: and if he says yes?

20:24:17 BingoBoingo: bounce: Sure but I dunno what a MIPs cooks as. A Vax though is a noble animal that has the potential for a delicious meat pie. Also just the sound of Vaxberry Pie works.

20:24:17 mircea_popescu: 'Mass abduction' at #Nigeria school- about 100 girls, likely by Boko Haram

20:24:23 mircea_popescu: they're in for some fun...

20:24:32 mircea_popescu: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27037181

20:24:59 fluffypony: kakobrekla: then you go along

20:25:02 fluffypony: to provide support

20:25:27 BingoBoingo: bounce: A big point is that OpenBSD is already on Vax working well, and they are very unlikely to abandon it.

20:25:44 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/cgt568i?context=4

20:25:48 fluffypony: "Yes I am Mirceau Popescu soon to be extradited to the USSA"

20:25:54 kakobrekla: even its in zimbabwe, fluffypony?

20:25:59 kakobrekla: even if*

20:26:16 Apocalyptic: "Mirceau" again

20:26:21 bounce: apparently biometrics stays afloat on the pretty pix in teh moveez, for if you spend but a few seconds thinking about it, it becomes obvious that it cannot be a good fit for the purpose

20:26:51 Apocalyptic: "The lesson for anyone in the public domain should already be clear: Don't try to answer rumours on Reddit, unless you are also prepared to provide cast iron proof of what you say, don't discuss your family affairs on a public forum, and especially don't mention your children - this is stupid beyond belief"

20:26:56 Apocalyptic: guy has a point

20:27:01 fluffypony: kakobrekla: no, only if it's local, I'm assuming this isn't someone asking to go on an overseas holid^z^z^z^z family emergency

20:27:47 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic except it works like this : scammers love to mention their kids/wives (anyone recall patrick harnett ?)

20:28:00 mircea_popescu: for many reasons, part of which being that the emotional fuckwits who "invest" with them react to such

20:28:06 Apocalyptic: I see

20:28:13 pankkake: interesting

20:28:16 mircea_popescu: but a bigger part of which being that when they go to shit, they can try to divert the discussion on unrelated emo topicsa

20:28:36 mircea_popescu: as if anyone gives a shit if danny brewster's daughter ends up in a snuff video or in cypriots have talent

20:28:56 Anduck: !up chairman_meow

20:28:56 assbot: Voicing chairman_meow for 30 minutes.

20:29:02 Apocalyptic: does he even have one ?

20:29:10 chairman_meow: thanks

20:29:12 Anduck: chairman_meow: now you can ask more info from people here who may know how it works

20:29:14 mircea_popescu: but no, let's discuss nonsense instead of how fuckwit danny failed to enter the wot, then failed to heed when mp said get in the wot or i'll fuck you up, then got fucked up.

20:29:16 Anduck: you have 30 minutes

20:29:19 chairman_meow: Hello

20:29:29 mircea_popescu: hi.

20:29:49 chairman_meow: assbot isnt working properly. I already ident'ed with gribble. I PM'ed !up to assbot, but it's failing

20:30:00 mircea_popescu: chairman_meow you have to be in its trust chain.

20:30:02 chairman_meow: it tells me "You must auth with gribble first."

20:30:03 Apocalyptic: ;;gettrust assbot chairman_meow

20:30:03 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user chairman_meow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=chairman_meow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=chairman_meow | Rated since: never

20:30:04 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot chairman_meow

20:30:04 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user chairman_meow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=chairman_meow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=chairman_meow | Rated since: never

20:30:09 Apocalyptic: damn you mircea

20:30:12 chairman_meow: ;;ident

20:30:12 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None

20:30:14 mircea_popescu: lol

20:30:21 Apocalyptic: chairman_meow, it's working as intended

20:30:45 jurov: ;;gettrust assbot paulo_

20:30:45 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user paulo_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=paulo_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=paulo_ | Rated since: Sun Apr 1 16:46:37 2012

20:30:50 Anduck: Apocalyptic, mircea_popescu: if it works correctly, then the message is wrong. "You must auth with gribble first."

20:31:21 mircea_popescu: maybe kakobrekla can be arsed to make special error messages for each case. or maybe not. ha-ha!

20:31:47 pankkake: I have compiled sudo with the "offensive" USE flag. when my password is wrong, I get random insults

20:31:55 mircea_popescu: "If individuals admit guilt & reach civil settlement w/ govt, they can't deduct costs from tax returns. Companies can" << true, and pretty epic

20:32:06 chairman_meow: so.. I need a trust connection to assbot?

20:32:19 mircea_popescu: you need a rating from someone assbot trusts.

20:32:22 chairman_meow: !jd

20:32:22 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 15899 BTC profit, 33.1k BTC invested, 1044.40 mio bets, 5.18 mio BTC wagered

20:32:39 mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT

20:32:41 mircea_popescu: there's your list

20:33:19 BingoBoingo: chairman_meow: What do you do?

20:33:20 bounce: such not authenticated

20:33:56 Anduck: hehe

20:33:58 BingoBoingo: !up chairman_meow

20:33:58 assbot: Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes.

20:34:24 kakobrekla: special message for what

20:34:29 chairman_meow: so.. what to do now heh

20:34:41 chairman_meow: I need to trade with one of these guys?

20:35:26 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla apparently if id'd but untrusted guy pms assbot he gets the same message as if he weren't id'd.

20:35:37 kakobrekla: impossibru

20:35:45 mircea_popescu: well at least it's what the guy claims.

20:35:53 Naphex: nah you get you need wot>0

20:35:55 Naphex: i can verify

20:36:08 mircea_popescu: ah ? ok then!

20:36:28 Anduck: mircea_popescu: i've been wondering why do you not use bitcointalk forums?

20:36:38 Anduck: and why doesnt your pr use irc???

20:36:41 mircea_popescu: because i don't associate with idiots.

20:36:43 Apocalyptic: Anduck, really ?

20:36:47 Anduck: yes really

20:36:48 Apocalyptic: (first question)

20:36:52 mircea_popescu: because what use would she be if i;m here ?

20:37:01 Anduck: well why is his pr then using bitcointalk :D

20:37:09 chairman_meow: maybe assbot is sending to gribble ";;ident chairman_meow"

20:37:10 Apocalyptic: cause she was paid to

20:37:12 mircea_popescu: i spent some money trying to educate a bunch of idiots.

20:37:15 chairman_meow: ;;ident chairman_meow

20:37:15 mircea_popescu: it benefited a few.

20:37:15 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None

20:37:19 BingoBoingo: chairman_meow: Well what you do affects how you get trust

20:37:22 bounce: chairman_meow: trade, impress, get chummy with, con, bribe, blackmail, what-have-you.

20:37:30 chairman_meow: oh wait, nevermind that was wrong

20:38:24 chairman_meow: why the change of rules for bitcoin-assets?

20:38:53 mircea_popescu: chairman_meow read the logs for the 10th, iirc.

20:39:32 Anduck: someone with assbot trust now needs to rate him

20:39:35 mike_c: or this: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/

20:39:38 Anduck: so he can up himself

20:39:48 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/#c2784 teh ppl doth protest

20:40:27 chairman_meow: ok, you can just let me be unvoiced now. I guess I'll eventually get that trade

20:40:27 BingoBoingo: Well I wouldn't be averse to offering trust for a small trade if I knew what the person's shtick is

20:40:28 mircea_popescu: kinda curious what that guy that was going to do the math to show how weight is not sharp enough comes up with.

20:40:46 BingoBoingo: !up chairman_meow

20:40:46 assbot: Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes.

20:40:49 mircea_popescu: chairman_meow start with simpler stuff. what do you do ?

20:41:00 BingoBoingo: Not necessary monetary, quid pro quo works

20:41:09 chairman_meow: mircea_popescu: well I invest in just-dice

20:41:19 chairman_meow: I don't really do much

20:41:23 chairman_meow: sometimes dogecoins

20:41:27 mircea_popescu: how much of their 10k is you ?

20:41:34 Anduck: how is that relevant

20:42:02 Apocalyptic: Anduck, that's probably the extent of his involvement with bitcoin

20:42:06 mircea_popescu: because if he comes back with something like 10% i'll challenge him to prove it, after which rate him.

20:42:11 Apocalyptic: given he mentionned that as the #1 thing

20:42:17 mircea_popescu: otherwise, anyone can invest a bitcent anywhere, hardly a qualifier.

20:42:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00096236 = 7.2177 BTC [-] {2}

20:42:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03000101 = 0.27 BTC [+] {2}

20:42:32 Anduck: sure

20:42:54 mircea_popescu: http://youngcons.com/this-actually-happened-irs-sent-a-five-year-old-boy-a-letter-about-his-taxes-his-response-is-hilarious/ << great for a lol, even if obviously fake.

20:43:04 chairman_meow: I haven't invested much. it's a small amount. I'm looking for more returns on bitcoin price swings

20:43:30 chairman_meow: so... I guess I don't really need access to this channel

20:43:47 bounce: ;;rate naphex 1 btcxchange.ro, grilled with cheese

20:43:48 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user naphex has been recorded.

20:43:58 mircea_popescu: well if you got something materially relevant you can always get someone to up you, so, no need to panic

20:46:15 mircea_popescu: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/sec-obtaining-emails-without-warrant-or-not

20:46:15 fluffypony: ;;rate Naphex 1 if btcxchange.ro steals your money this guy will personally sort you out

20:46:16 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Naphex has been recorded.

20:46:17 mircea_popescu: herp.

20:46:45 Naphex: hehe thanks for the rate ^^

20:47:20 mircea_popescu: !up LorenzoMoney

20:47:20 assbot: Voicing LorenzoMoney for 30 minutes.

20:51:57 BingoBoingo: Ah, this Baron thing is hard. Especially when it comes to considering what may be worthy of accepting someone as a Ridder or Jonhkeer

20:52:10 chairman_meow: hmmm I'm looking at the logs

20:52:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: vaxberry pie << pick up fpga dev board on ebay.

20:52:28 chairman_meow: I can't seems to find out why the rules changed

20:52:34 chairman_meow: *seem

20:52:45 fluffypony: chairman_meow: mutual consent

20:52:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo indeed. it should be.

20:52:48 fluffypony: groupthink

20:52:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: maximally evil closed build chain, but you can actually specify a circuit, e.g. pdp-11.

20:52:55 mircea_popescu: scientologee!

20:53:13 fluffypony: flying spaghetti monsterism

20:53:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: example, http://www.heeltoe.com/download/pdp11/README.html

20:53:45 mircea_popescu: yeah we kinda need a mascot or something don't we.

20:53:56 mircea_popescu: the holy sharpie in the worldy pooper ?

20:54:13 fluffypony: Buttcoins Inc?

20:54:54 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well I was more imagining what it would take for a Rasberry Pi to truly be a TI-89 surrogate than imagining a project for myself in the near future.

20:55:03 mircea_popescu: maybe a giant soldering iron.

20:55:19 asciilifeform: rectothermcoin.

20:55:21 BingoBoingo: Where is nubbins` to do this art

20:55:50 mircea_popescu: http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/n/antex-st4-stand_1.png

20:55:54 mircea_popescu: god i love that shape

20:56:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've one quite like this, here.

20:56:27 mircea_popescu: do you compulsively play with the support ?

20:56:33 asciilifeform: how'd you guess.

20:56:44 mircea_popescu: because it's quite clearly what it's for.

20:56:49 asciilifeform: lol

20:56:50 mircea_popescu: geek titties.

20:56:57 asciilifeform: sproing, sprooing.

20:57:32 mircea_popescu: rectothermicon

20:57:38 mircea_popescu: like the necronomicon, only better.

20:58:21 mircea_popescu: so a bunch of romanians found an ancient article in which i sliced a rabbit and are having aneurisms all over my comment section. kinda funnay to watch.

20:58:54 Apocalyptic: heh

20:58:55 asciilifeform: wait people don't eat those in ro?

20:59:08 jborkl: my WOT nick is jborkl_ and the nick I use is jborkl - you have to change to jborkl_ with gribble auth with assbot then /nick jborkl

20:59:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure.

20:59:12 asciilifeform: over here, they can only be had in korean markets, because americans are weirdos

20:59:30 jborkl: that is why his did not work

20:59:31 mircea_popescu: there's a thin sliver of romanians who wannabe us hipster liberals.

20:59:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably an East Coast thing. No serious problem finding them here.

20:59:45 mircea_popescu: it's like... twice over the pretense

21:00:28 asciilifeform: i've often wondered if the local busybodies would go apeshit if one were to set up a snare.

21:00:30 paulo_: I can confirm jborkl. using an IRC nick different from WOT nick confuses assbot

21:00:45 asciilifeform: (rabbit is a common garden pest here)

21:01:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only one way to find out.

21:01:08 Anduck: !up chairman_meow

21:01:08 assbot: Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes.

21:01:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I dunno about in your location, but here a license is nominally required. Much as for fishing.

21:01:10 Anduck: :)

21:01:22 jborkl: ok I did my good deed for the year - time to relax

21:01:26 mircea_popescu: the difference of course being i can slaughter one and post it on my blog, daring the "pet police" to do anything,

21:01:30 asciilifeform: my new pad, as of next month, has a yard. so i shall find out.

21:01:31 mircea_popescu: whereas you'd prolly end up in a holding cell

21:02:22 BingoBoingo: http://www.alpharubicon.com/kids/urbanrabbitsdc.htm

21:02:29 BingoBoingo: Maybe not?

21:02:49 asciilifeform: i know a fellow, not far from where i live, with a secret chicken coup

21:02:55 asciilifeform: *coop

21:02:58 mircea_popescu: what's this, leningrad ?

21:03:27 asciilifeform: gringograd

21:03:27 mircea_popescu: in 1987 teh police had bucharest surrounded, checking all inbound car traffic to make sure nobody's sneaking any potatoes into town.

21:03:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.0009617 = 7.0204 BTC [-] {2}

21:03:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

21:04:03 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

21:04:03 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00096183 / 0.00097025 (241260 shares, 232.05 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096403 / 0.00100381 (3106224 shares, 2,994.50 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00093026 / 0.00101 (22725656 shares, 21,140.85 BTC)

21:04:30 Apocalyptic: mircea, why would they do that ?

21:04:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: grew the delicious beast yourself, or caught in the wild?

21:05:01 mircea_popescu: i just bought it

21:05:08 asciilifeform: neato

21:05:14 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic because insane, on the first level.

21:05:22 mircea_popescu: some sort of "combatting black market" or w/e.

21:05:26 mircea_popescu: http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/mission-yuppie-eradication-project.jpg

21:05:48 mircea_popescu: dude... and this is STILL not enough reason to just send the national guard and beat anyone not rich into a pulp ?

21:05:50 mircea_popescu: da fuck already.

21:06:02 asciilifeform: satan preserve us. the 'google bus' folks again?!

21:06:07 mircea_popescu: aye.

21:06:23 mircea_popescu: you;'ll have to excuse me, i'm indulging a bottle of cognac and my inclination to be wtf'd.

21:07:47 mircea_popescu: to quote the world's foremost "yuppie scum", one vincent vega :

21:07:47 mircea_popescu: Lance: Still got your Malibu?

21:07:47 mircea_popescu: Vincent: Aw, man. You know what some fucker did the other day?

21:07:47 mircea_popescu: Lance: What?

21:07:47 mircea_popescu: Vincent: Fucking keyed it.

21:07:47 mircea_popescu: Lance: Oh, man, that's fucked up.

21:07:49 mircea_popescu: Vincent: Tell me about it. I had it in storage for three years, it was out for five days and some dickless piece of shit fucked with it.

21:07:55 mircea_popescu: Lance: They should be fucking killed. No trial, no jury, straight to execution.

21:07:56 mircea_popescu: Vincent: Boy, I wish I could've caught him doing it. I'd have given anything to catch that asshole doing it. It'd been worth him doing it just so I could've caught him doing it.

21:07:59 mircea_popescu: Lance: What a fucker!

21:08:01 mircea_popescu: Vincent: What's more chickenshit than fucking with a man's automobile? I mean, don't fuck with another man's vehicle.

21:08:05 mircea_popescu: Lance: You don't do it.

21:08:07 mircea_popescu: Vincent: It's just against the rules.

21:08:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] {2}

21:10:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0319983 = 0.192 BTC [+] {3}

21:11:36 Naphex: its true :)

21:13:15 asciilifeform: if the 'they're bidding up all housing' thing were true, the masters would have problems hiring servants. are they?

21:13:33 asciilifeform: or do the servants simply take six buses to the manor and back?

21:14:05 mircea_popescu: nobody has any trouble hiring anyone.

21:14:26 mircea_popescu: if they can agree on salary control measures, clearly they're overstaffed.

21:14:50 mircea_popescu: they pretend like they're not, for public consumption, and to get more clueless kids on the one track path that then leads them to become prostitu uh i mean entrpereneurs

21:15:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00096045 = 9.4124 BTC [-] {4}

21:15:05 mircea_popescu: but what is and what's said to be are wildly distinct matters in byzantium

21:17:27 bounce: don't servants live in servants quarters? like, oh, right under the roof, or wherever it was.

21:17:31 asciilifeform: paging herr naggum!

21:17:33 asciilifeform: 'labor unions arose when people had gotten a taste of a different lifestyle and were willing to pay a lot more for their basic livelihood and had gotten into a fix they couldn't get out of -- because they had accepted the unacceptable to begin with. accepting something you have to form a labor union to fight after the fact only tells me that people were acting against their own best (or even good) int

21:17:33 asciilifeform: erests for a long time. I don't see any rational, coherent explanation for this sort of behavior in humans, but it's all over the place.'

21:17:41 asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3144868668727852@naggum.no.html

21:18:12 Apocalyptic: <bounce> don't servants live in servants quarters? like, oh, right under the roof, or wherever it was. // it was indeed right under the roof, in France at least

21:19:04 mircea_popescu: bounce in a civilise country, yes.

21:19:08 bounce: hot in summer, cold in winter. freezing hell when the wind's just wrong. such fun.

21:19:13 mircea_popescu: in the united states of africa, apparently they've not figured this out.

21:20:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7030 @ 0.00096376 = 6.7752 BTC [+]

21:20:41 asciilifeform: in usa, they broke the mechanism that separates the usefully servile class from 'lumpens.' sort of like growing edible mushrooms in a bathroom infested by mold, because, hey, you can.

21:20:53 asciilifeform: and so, the 'masters' demand radical geographic separation.

21:20:54 mircea_popescu: http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=23892

21:21:08 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in some other equally arid land

21:21:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much, yes.

21:24:09 asciilifeform: incidentally, this is why 'they import fresh mexicans,' etc.

21:24:09 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: nubbins` is balls-deep in printing, that's where ;(

21:24:15 mircea_popescu: "The original bullhocky story about the cattle endangering desert tortoises fell apart when the truth was discovered that only recently the BLM had gerrymandered the boundaries of endangered habitat and created a mitigation area needed to replace habitat where Harry Reid?s son and a Chinese energy company planned to build a 5 billion dollar solar energy project."

21:24:16 mircea_popescu: ahem.

21:24:18 asciilifeform: the 2nd generation lumpenizes, and can't be used.

21:24:24 asciilifeform: this is more or less an open secret here.

21:24:28 mircea_popescu: harry reid, the guy who delivered congress to obama, right ?

21:24:37 mircea_popescu: 5bn seems kinda skimpy.

21:24:42 mircea_popescu: i;d have asked for more.

21:25:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 5 == initial quote. traditionally, gov. payola contracts have overrun, renewal, etc. provisions. add a zero.

21:25:28 mircea_popescu: more like it.

21:27:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4000 @ 0.00015875 = 0.635 BTC [-] {6}

21:34:48 Naphex: gn all o/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se33Fv_sEEA

21:34:51 Naphex: !down

21:34:51 assbot: Need a nickname, Naphex.

21:36:17 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg6235784#msg6235784

21:36:17 nubbins`: lel

21:36:20 nubbins`: DrGreg-PR

21:41:27 asciilifeform: http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/4/15/682084.html

21:41:52 asciilifeform: translation: cia director j. brenna is in kiev. supervising search for... 20 'lost' blackwater men.

21:41:57 asciilifeform: *brennan

21:42:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00096954 = 10.7134 BTC [+] {2}

21:48:11 mircea_popescu: lol

21:48:38 mircea_popescu: why is he not @lubyanka then

21:54:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 245 @ 0.50190775 = 122.9674 BTC [-] {12}

21:56:51 asciilifeform: mega-lol:

21:56:52 asciilifeform: http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=122052

21:57:26 asciilifeform: should have dropped 'paintballs' or the like.

21:58:40 mircea_popescu: "This provocative and unprofessional Russian action"

21:59:08 mircea_popescu: lmao this "unprofessional" business has pretty much replaced "asshole" in us office drones parlance hasn't it

21:59:33 benkay: what's the military context that makes that kind of behavior assholery?

21:59:42 benkay: context/peer behavior expectations

21:59:47 benkay: assuming peers etc

21:59:49 mircea_popescu: ?The Donald Cook is more than capable of defending itself against two Su-24s,? the colonel said.

21:59:52 mircea_popescu: i wonder.

22:00:19 mircea_popescu: i doubt there exists a us ship that actually can defend itself against modernised su's, but hey.

22:00:22 mircea_popescu: what do i know.

22:01:03 benkay: or the impending chinese drone swarms

22:01:31 ThickAsThieves: http://www.bitundo.com/

22:02:49 pankkake: nice, I would have liked that a year ago (though I eventually recovered my coins)

22:03:33 ThickAsThieves: this schedule web design is horrible

22:03:35 ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoin2014.com/

22:03:39 ThickAsThieves: pastels

22:03:50 ThickAsThieves: and annoying View More buttons

22:03:58 mircea_popescu: Arleigh Burke-class. that's a... radar ship. derp.

22:04:09 TestingUnoDosTre: Can someone explain this to me. Purchase of 382 Btc at 505, followed by 20 btc at 500. Was the first purchase a market buy?

22:04:38 ThickAsThieves: Peter Vehehe is now on the speaker list for the event!

22:05:08 mircea_popescu: so basically... this is a pool to doublespend.

22:05:12 mircea_popescu: who made it, gmaxwell ?

22:05:34 ThickAsThieves: dunno who made it

22:06:18 ThickAsThieves: its got mentions on yc

22:06:21 ThickAsThieves: fwiw...

22:06:45 mircea_popescu: looky, gavin still lead bla bla. not so hip on keeping updated huh.

22:06:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1220 @ 0.00096816 = 1.1812 BTC [-]

22:06:56 ThickAsThieves: http://www.coinlab.com/

22:07:00 ThickAsThieves: nice website

22:07:47 BingoBoingo: Oh, Meni Rosenfeld is a speaker and/or panelist

22:08:01 ThickAsThieves: Canadia Senate Hearing on Cryptocurrency https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5iAj7-W_lk

22:08:06 mircea_popescu: lol ok ok.

22:08:39 ThickAsThieves: 400 friggin euros for this conference

22:08:47 ThickAsThieves: fukn scammors

22:09:20 mircea_popescu: <samantix> hi i was directed to you regarding a ban on bitcoin-pricetalk

22:09:28 mircea_popescu: which one of you's been tormenting random noobs ?

22:09:31 ThickAsThieves: lol

22:09:39 Apocalyptic: haha

22:09:43 mircea_popescu: chairman_meow tsk.

22:09:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49676939 BTC [-]

22:10:30 mircea_popescu: guy's very polite and everything. i had no idea that chan even exists

22:10:35 mircea_popescu: !up samantix

22:10:35 assbot: Voicing samantix for 30 minutes.

22:10:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49833587 = 1.495 BTC [+] {3}

22:11:22 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, it's the cesspool of irc

22:11:49 mircea_popescu: lol 600 pplz, and goin' strong. mkay.

22:11:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000012 BTC [-]

22:12:49 samantix: thanks mircea_popescu

22:12:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000012 BTC [-]

22:13:21 Apocalyptic: mircea, or reddit in another terms

22:13:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000002 BTC [-]

22:14:27 mircea_popescu: well cool.

22:20:18 mike_c: i think this bet was resolved incorrectly. http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/

22:20:29 mike_c: because clearly the price *shouldn't* have dropped below 400.

22:21:54 mike_c: scam site is scam.

22:22:25 TestingUnoDosTre: Lol

22:22:46 TestingUnoDosTre: I bet on yes for one that touched exactly 400.00

22:23:05 TestingUnoDosTre: Made me rethink my whole theory on psychological barriers

22:23:41 mike_c: bah. next you'll rethink your theory on technical analysis because head & shoulders.

22:25:01 TestingUnoDosTre: I'm most definitely not a TA junkie

22:25:30 TestingUnoDosTre: Or "Chartist" as my brother call them

22:34:47 artifexd: It would be nice to be able to retroactively !b a part of the log. The conversation with Naphex about 5 hours ago was pretty interesting.

22:35:18 benkay: artifexd: bash.bitcoin-assets.com

22:35:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00078899 = 0.1578 BTC [+]

22:35:20 pankkake: you can http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?add

22:35:35 benkay: ;;ticker

22:35:36 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 506.95, Best ask: 508.97, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 509.0, 24 hour volume: 29789.86967812, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832

22:35:50 artifexd: Most sweet

22:36:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 314 @ 0.00080077 = 0.2514 BTC [+]

22:37:07 mike_c: is there a time decay on bash points?

22:37:55 benkay: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#tgSzm1g10zm2g25zvzl

22:39:55 mike_c: i miss vexual :) http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=30

22:41:04 asciilifeform: ;;seen vexual

22:41:04 gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat

22:42:00 benkay: mike_c: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=81

22:42:16 mike_c: yeah, just read that one too. another classic.

22:42:57 benkay: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=94 << danielpbarron you too buddy

22:43:43 benkay: mike_c: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=30

22:43:51 benkay: now i miss vexual too

22:44:00 TestingUnoDosTre: We just did #30....

22:44:02 benkay: but not as much as i miss tiberius and minersdidit

22:44:33 TestingUnoDosTre: Minersdidit. Oh my gosh

22:44:40 benkay: NO WE DIDN'T GOSH

22:44:56 mike_c: minersdidit could never fill 100 lines by himself with no encouragement like vex could when sloshed.

22:45:12 benkay: that's not why minersdidit was fantastic

22:45:35 benkay: people round here don't appreciate quality trolling

22:45:57 TestingUnoDosTre: Was he trolling though? Still not sure

22:46:11 Apocalyptic: that's the thing about great trolls

22:46:14 Apocalyptic: you are never sure

22:46:20 benkay: unless you've met 'em before.

22:46:48 artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot Vexual

22:46:49 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never

22:47:36 TestingUnoDosTre: So was vexual a troll or just funny?

22:48:37 pankkake: ;;rate Vexual 1

22:48:37 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

22:48:43 pankkake: :(

22:49:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1921 @ 0.0009663 = 1.8563 BTC [-] {2}

22:50:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1379 @ 0.00097038 = 1.3382 BTC [+]

22:52:55 BingoBoingo: !up samantix

22:52:55 assbot: Voicing samantix for 30 minutes.

22:52:55 artifexd: Vexual, get in the wot already

22:53:17 BingoBoingo: ;ticker

22:53:20 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

22:53:21 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.03, Best ask: 514.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 514.82, 24 hour volume: 30096.02063816, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832

22:54:04 benkay: samantix: what's happening?

22:54:28 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/04/truecrypt-audit-finds-no-evidence-of-backdoors-or-malicious-code/

22:55:17 dexX7: is the blockchain.info guy here? block w height 296055 throws an exception -> https://blockchain.info/de/block-index/383285/00000000000000004014a2cb13c0760539b9a353c8f4934b878446fbd8ee4932

22:55:18 mircea_popescu: mike_c wait wut

22:55:48 mike_c: hm?

22:56:23 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot vexual

22:56:23 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=vexual | Rated since: never

22:56:28 TestingUnoDosTre: Huh?

22:56:49 mircea_popescu: mike_c the 400 bet. at first i thought you hjad a legit complaint

22:56:53 mircea_popescu: but no! SCAM COMPLAINT

22:57:04 joecool: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu

22:57:04 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user joecool to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011

22:57:06 mike_c: of course the owners of the site would say that.

22:57:19 pankkake: BitBet: The Customer is Always Wrong

22:57:44 BingoBoingo: Well as Bitcoin continues to detach from fiat, bets pegged to fiat exchanges get moar dangerous

22:58:00 mike_c: i've probably lost 12,482 bets in my life, but for some reason that one stung. i was so sure!

22:58:05 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell keonne <dexX7> is the blockchain.info guy here? block w height 296055 throws an exception -> https://blockchain.info/de/block-index/383285/00000000000000004014a2cb13c0760539b9a353c8f4934b878446fbd8ee4932

22:58:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:58:30 mircea_popescu: mike_c im not sure i made 1k bets

22:58:44 mike_c: you mean this month?

22:58:55 mircea_popescu: in my lyf!

22:59:34 mike_c: this from the guy who floated a bajillion btc options over the last two years :)

23:00:11 mircea_popescu: joecool you trust all the oldschool doods. madscientist ?!

23:00:15 TestingUnoDosTre: What does float a btc mean

23:00:19 mircea_popescu: mike_c options ain't bets :D

23:00:32 Apocalyptic: they are only if you don't hedge them

23:00:45 mircea_popescu: haven't seen cory in like 4ever eithert

23:00:50 mircea_popescu: ;;seen cory

23:00:51 gribble: cory was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 17 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <Cory> \o

23:01:59 joecool: mircea_popescu: believe it or not i've been in wot for a long time

23:02:11 mircea_popescu: i believe it hehe

23:02:13 joecool: ;;gpg info joecool

23:02:14 gribble: User 'joecool', with keyid 4A169504F495E1D1, fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc, registered on Thu Apr 28 01:50:04 2011, last authed on Tue Apr 15 16:36:53 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=joecool . Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool .

23:03:07 mircea_popescu: o you were here befoe coinpal closed huh

23:03:29 pankkake: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x89F5D5027E9FE55B35696F683FC4656BE45D6C89 oh, it's THAT guy

23:03:30 joecool: yeah i think that was my first wot rating

23:03:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9401 @ 0.00097038 = 9.1225 BTC [+] {2}

23:04:40 TestingUnoDosTre: Hahaha are you fcking serious

23:05:20 mircea_popescu: lmao

23:07:44 mircea_popescu: !up frank1e

23:07:44 assbot: Voicing frank1e for 30 minutes.

23:08:11 mircea_popescu: !up BigBitz

23:08:11 assbot: Voicing BigBitz for 30 minutes.

23:08:19 BigBitz: thanks mircea_popescu :)

23:08:28 asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu

23:08:28 mircea_popescu: yw

23:08:28 joecool: ;;rated BigBitz

23:08:29 gribble: You rated user BigBitz on Mon Dec 2 11:10:58 2013, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: gives me the worst rates ever ಠ_ಠ and makes me hate myself, owes me beer, but he can be trusted to send a couple g's USD.

23:08:33 asciilifeform: anyone else get something bizarre?

23:08:37 BigBitz: joecool <3

23:08:58 mircea_popescu: did i get defaced ?

23:09:07 asciilifeform: ssl weirdness

23:09:12 asciilifeform: load specifically 'https'

23:09:23 mircea_popescu: ya ?

23:09:39 asciilifeform: i'm getting a cert signed by 'wikipedia'

23:09:43 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, huh

23:09:43 mircea_popescu: ahahaha what

23:09:48 joecool: mircea_popescu: looks like you got bald

23:09:49 Apocalyptic: i just loaded https

23:09:51 Apocalyptic: no certificate

23:09:55 joecool: not defaced

23:10:05 TestingUnoDosTre: It loaded fine for me

23:10:14 BigBitz: You're getting a Wikipedia Cert. Nice.

23:10:16 Apocalyptic: *no wikipedia certificate

23:10:18 BigBitz: I get the Twitter cert.

23:10:27 mircea_popescu: twitter.com, Twitter, Inc. VeriSign Class 3 Extended Validation SSL CA, VeriSign, Inc. 05/10/2016 12:59:00 AM GMT TLS v1.2 128 bit ARC4 (2048 bit RSA/SHA)

23:10:36 pankkake: I get a cert change, but still twatter http://i.imgur.com/2pK8Pmb.png

23:10:37 TestingUnoDosTre: Anyone hear any Omar about alleged fighter plane attack?

23:10:38 *: asciilifeform to snoop on my fiber: stay classy

23:10:42 Apocalyptic: 83 FE F4 D8 26 55 EC 82 A9 E1 D7 A9 76 70 0B 43

23:10:42 Apocalyptic: 3E 9B 38 6D FA 71 8F 20 2A 5B 6C BF 91 ED 9F 92

23:10:52 Apocalyptic: issued by Verisign class 3

23:10:54 BingoBoingo: OMG WIKIPEDIA NSA haxors targeting asciilifeform

23:11:16 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wikipedia certs are a good avenue of attack because most neckbeards have it whitelisted

23:11:30 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed.

23:11:39 BigBitz: neckbeards ftw.

23:11:47 asciilifeform: these folks could just drive fifteen minutes with a wagen and a 'troika', half hour for tribunal and bullet. but no, they gotta fuck with people instead.

23:12:06 mircea_popescu: i think you have no representation of costs.

23:12:20 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You forget that for some 1984 is a manual

23:12:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pix ?

23:13:03 mircea_popescu: also, is it twitter generally ? does it do the same off a phone ?

23:13:05 mircea_popescu: other q's.

23:13:42 asciilifeform: lol - it's gone away.

23:13:49 asciilifeform: perhaps browser bug

23:14:31 mircea_popescu: yeah, right. this happens.

23:14:34 mircea_popescu: next time screenshot

23:14:38 thestringpuller: $depth mpoe

23:14:38 asciilifeform: promise.

23:14:39 mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['2899 @ 0.00097198', '5021 @ 0.00096', '7100 @ 0.00095965', '5850 @ 0.0009594', '2900 @ 0.00095924']

23:14:40 mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['5150 @ 0.00097202', '9450 @ 0.00097276', '1900 @ 0.00097318', '8950 @ 0.00097382', '12566 @ 0.00097408']

23:15:05 thestringpuller: that's a nice bot, did smickles make that? or what's the story behind it...

23:15:26 mircea_popescu: yep he did.

23:15:30 mircea_popescu: sadly he's on maternity leave.

23:16:36 pankkake: I was going to link https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/https-everywhere-decentralized-ssl-observatory which gave me a SSL Error, funnily enough (if you have it, disable OSCP whatever)

23:17:11 TestingUnoDosTre: Someone give me a quick lesson in stats

23:18:05 TestingUnoDosTre: If miners have been hashing away for 36 minutes, do they have any better chance of finding a correct hash in the next minute compared to minute 1?

23:18:08 thestringpuller: he's on maternity leave << hoorah for children. they grow up so fast...

23:20:49 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

23:20:50 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 517.0, Best ask: 519.95, Bid-ask spread: 2.95000, Last trade: 517.0, 24 hour volume: 31653.39816891, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 520.05, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832

23:21:14 ThickAsThieves: was like 340 2 days ago?

23:21:24 ThickAsThieves: i <3 btc

23:21:58 joecool: sale's over

23:23:09 ThickAsThieves: i'm uncertain about that

23:23:10 BingoBoingo: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/us-airways-tweets-out-photo-of-model-airplane-in-womans-1563098531/1563579181/+Tom_Ley

23:23:34 ThickAsThieves: not sure if there's enough new money coming in yet to float the price

23:23:57 ThickAsThieves: traders keep scalping each other over and over, lowering the ceiling

23:24:02 thestringpuller: http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/ <- i wonder if these bets create a feed back loop the more money that goes in

23:24:10 thestringpuller: i want to see a kansas city style upset

23:24:29 ThickAsThieves: seems making bitbets is the best way to get the price to go where you want!

23:25:01 thestringpuller: or to detect your price

23:25:02 kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre no its random.

23:25:05 BingoBoingo: Inb4 BTC $25 by July

23:25:07 thestringpuller: good way to base insurance prices

23:25:24 ThickAsThieves: $25, no way

23:25:32 ThickAsThieves: small chance we could test $300 tho

23:26:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 225 @ 0.00097202 = 0.2187 BTC [+]

23:26:12 thestringpuller: wow. phenomenal...

23:28:20 benkay: bitbet ate the options market.

23:30:47 thestringpuller: ^^^

23:30:57 ThickAsThieves: there it is!

23:30:58 TestingUnoDosTre: Bitbet is the options market now

23:31:02 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

23:31:03 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 522.35, Best ask: 525.79, Bid-ask spread: 3.44000, Last trade: 526.9, 24 hour volume: 32271.21581885, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 527.27, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832

23:31:26 TestingUnoDosTre: Uruguay baby

23:31:30 TestingUnoDosTre: Yyyyyah

23:31:32 thestringpuller: i wonder how many late leeches got jacked

23:31:44 TestingUnoDosTre: I didn't this time: )

23:32:18 TestingUnoDosTre: Got in last block luckily. That's why I was asking about hashing

23:32:28 thestringpuller: why not buy the underlying asset and zoidberg?

23:34:06 TestingUnoDosTre: And zoidberg?

23:36:37 TestingUnoDosTre: They better close the bet fast and reap some profit for the month

23:37:21 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/yyFnfS1.jpg

23:37:25 nubbins`: i fucking love my job

23:37:47 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Does that mean mascot soon?

23:38:01 nubbins`: i didn't quite get the gist of the mascot

23:38:07 nubbins`: somebody with a soldering iron up their ass?

23:38:39 thestringpuller: is that screen printed?

23:38:56 nubbins`: yep

23:39:01 nubbins`: 3-color print on red kraft paper

23:39:54 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I think people were leaning towards this http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/n/antex-st4-stand_1.png

23:40:16 nubbins`: that's the -assets mascot? :/

23:40:25 nubbins`: i mean, nice stand, but...

23:40:58 BingoBoingo: Just don't turn it into something like all Chicago cubs like this http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--oNlxSX0P--/19cgaod16qt14jpg.jpg

23:41:35 mike_c: i can't unsee that.

23:42:11 nubbins`: :(

23:45:15 mircea_popescu: <TestingUnoDosTre> If miners have been hashing away for 36 minutes, do they have any better chance of finding a correct hash in the next minute compared to minute 1? << no.

23:46:19 thestringpuller: speaking of

23:46:22 thestringpuller: ;;tslb

23:46:28 gribble: Time since last block: 5 minutes and 38 seconds

23:46:35 thestringpuller: not_bad.jpg

23:47:46 mike_c: ok, two people said no.. there is a small better chance they find it in the next minute after failing for 36 minutes. the search space has been reduced.

23:48:17 mircea_popescu: you just add nonce anyway

23:48:48 mike_c: right, but instead of having a 1 in 1eBigNumber chance, they have a 1 in (1eBigNumber - attempts) chance

23:48:58 thestringpuller: mike_c: more tx's may come into the node which changes the hash...

23:48:59 pankkake: is it actually worth it to record what was tested? wouldn't pools share it if it was?

23:49:18 mike_c: thestringpuller: that is a good point.

23:49:55 ThickAsThieves: of course it's more likely

23:50:09 mike_c: unless what thestringpuller said.

23:50:32 ThickAsThieves: it's more likely than if they weren't hashing at all, right?

23:50:34 ThickAsThieves: so there.

23:50:42 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves notrly lol

23:52:50 mircea_popescu: http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702303887804579504023630058640-lMyQjAxMTA0MDEwNTExNDUyWj

23:53:00 mircea_popescu: we were just talkin'...

23:54:07 ThickAsThieves: china be manipulatin!

23:54:14 ThickAsThieves: maniputin

23:54:17 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlSLoPdCQAAKJLA.jpg

23:55:31 ThickAsThieves: manililliputian

23:56:01 pankkake: pos?

23:56:41 mircea_popescu: http://bgr.com/2014/04/15/galaxy-s5s-fingerprint-scanner-hacked/ << bounce fluffypony asciilifeform and whoever else was diss-cussin' bio.

23:57:04 Apocalyptic: pankkake, proof of stake I assume

23:57:16 pankkake: then I don't really get it

23:57:17 mircea_popescu: proof of stake

23:57:28 pankkake: I guess you get worthess stuff generated by your worthless stuff

23:57:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00097223 = 7.0001 BTC [+] {3}

23:58:01 TestingUnoDosTre: wan't that already posted?

23:58:52 mircea_popescu: shit it was

23:58:54 mircea_popescu: my bad

23:59:13 mircea_popescu: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/15/university-calls-white-campus-population-failure-a/

23:59:14 Apocalyptic: "Complaints from the U.S. are going to increasingly fall on deaf ears"

23:59:15 thestringpuller: i love see mircea_popescu use negro speak

23:59:23 thestringpuller: seeing*

23:59:24 mircea_popescu: ?In the decades ahead, should we be as white as we are today, we will be relentlessly driven toward mediocrity; or, become a sad shadow of our current self,? Mr. Shepard said in a recent blog post

23:59:29 Apocalyptic: is this any news ?

23:59:47 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic allegedly ? :D