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00:00:04 mircea_popescu: then http://fraudsters.com/category/fmpif/

00:00:05 assbot: F.MPIF pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:13:06 benkay: !up RagnarsBitch

00:14:12 jurov: BCB all managers got 10% off the profit

00:14:18 jurov: except me :)

00:14:19 mircea_popescu: http://bdoubliees.com/vaillantpif/couvertures/v701.jpg

00:14:53 jurov: mircea_popescu: that's the gal with your pants?

00:15:02 BCB: jurov, I see that. I probably couldn't do it for less then 20%

00:15:13 mircea_popescu: mkay.

00:15:25 mircea_popescu: jurov lol no, that's ragnar. bitch not depicted.

00:24:10 mircea_popescu: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=d945cb9cce20ac7143c2de8d88b187f62db99bdc

00:24:10 assbot: kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree

00:24:14 mircea_popescu: in which alan cox fucks up the pty.

00:25:07 mircea_popescu: the indignity. poor guy.

00:25:19 mircea_popescu: after all the 2.4-ac stuff

00:29:36 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming2.html

00:29:37 assbot: A Complete List Of Things Supposedly Caused By Global Warming

00:31:51 BCB: mircea_popescu, not counter offer

00:31:56 BCB: *no

00:34:03 mircea_popescu: nope.

00:34:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00099532 = 4.4292 BTC [-]

00:34:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03139999 = 0.314 BTC [+]

00:42:40 BCB: Romainians...

00:43:41 mircea_popescu: GEORGE: Well, don't they make a counter offer? How can they just cancel the whole deal like that? What kind of a maniac is this guy? I mean he just, he says no, and that's it?

00:43:41 mircea_popescu: SUSAN: Yeah, that's the way Russell is. He doesn't like to play games.

00:43:46 mircea_popescu: you're behind on your seinfeld.

00:56:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

00:56:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31581 @ 0.00099798 = 31.5172 BTC [+] {2}

01:00:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68350 @ 0.0009953 = 68.0288 BTC [-] {2}

01:04:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00099798 = 4.7903 BTC [+]

01:06:03 mircea_popescu: this battle for 1 is something else to watch

01:06:06 jurov: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-5#post-6306146 someone wanted phinny here in chan?

01:06:07 assbot: Maged permabanned MPOE-PR because she swore shock | Page 5 | Bitcointa.lk

01:06:25 jurov: davout ^

01:07:43 mircea_popescu: jurov yes. me.

01:07:55 mircea_popescu: i like the guy.

01:12:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7753 @ 0.00100305 = 7.7766 BTC [+]

01:38:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34627 @ 0.00100355 = 34.7499 BTC [+] {2}

01:40:50 artifexd: <kakobrekla> artifexd you might take out 'New' out of the strings, since the thing is never 'old' <- Excellent idea. I shall implement.

01:43:24 artifexd: <mircea_popescu> mind adding it in here with a special rule to only dump bets > 1btc ? << No problem.

01:44:33 artifexd: kakobrekla: Do I need to anything special to get artibot voiced in here? Is being a bot enough? I can (and will eventually) code it to ident with gribble and !up with assbot if necessary but if you have a list of preapproved bots, that would be easier.

01:45:13 kakobrekla: yes i make chanserv voice the bots, they need to be registered with nickserv

01:45:25 artifexd: Already done.

01:45:53 artifexd: It is ~artibot@unaffiliated/artifexd/bot/artibot

01:47:44 kakobrekla: thats it?

01:47:58 artibot: I am the human embodiment of []bot. I am not the real []bot.

01:48:12 artibot: But the nickserv account is the same.

01:48:22 decimation: If we are maintaining assbot; can we make it so users can !down themselves privately? Or is it intended to just ;;gpg unauth with gribble?

01:49:03 kakobrekla: yeah well chanserv cant distinguish between human embodiment and the real bot

01:49:18 kakobrekla: so either you change that or make it up itself

01:49:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00100513 = 1.9097 BTC [+]

01:49:37 kakobrekla: why do you want to down yourself?

01:49:46 artibot: Is the delay normal? It took about 40 seconds to be voiced.

01:50:01 decimation: I guess what I really want is to securely tear down my session

01:50:03 kakobrekla: depends on gribble

01:50:24 decimation: seems like !down to assbot and ;;gpg unauth to gribble should be the trick?

01:50:32 kakobrekla: decimation can you do /hop ?

01:51:17 decimation: Not on this client apparently

01:51:17 kakobrekla: if this is the only chan you are in with gribble, parting and joining will deauth you of gribble and you will lose your voice

01:51:18 artibot: Ok. I'm still "on the clock" so I won't get the bot in here now but I should be able to get it done before I go to bed.

01:52:36 kakobrekla: i thought you bots run 24/7

01:52:41 BCB: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101674032

01:52:42 assbot: Michael Novogratz touts bitcoin, M&A and tech

01:53:10 artifexd: It does. But there is coding that needs to be done.

01:53:49 kakobrekla: <Ken`> www.coinprism.com

01:54:08 kakobrekla: yay

01:54:12 kakobrekla: hipsters

01:55:53 decimation: Okay. I don't know the details of IRC, apparently gribble can tell the difference between someone leaving the channel and a net-split?

01:56:07 kakobrekla: prolly not

01:57:00 decimation: Ideally each chat message would be individually gpg signed

01:58:13 kakobrekla: nah

01:58:14 kakobrekla: just do

01:58:15 kakobrekla: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

01:58:15 kakobrekla: Hash: SHA1

01:58:18 kakobrekla: when you join

01:58:22 decimation: hehe

01:58:35 kakobrekla: and ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- ARGLE BARGLE

01:58:37 kakobrekla: when you leave.

01:59:08 decimation: IRC is kind of a creaky old protocol. it works, but it's like hitching a ride on a Cuban 1950's Ford truck

01:59:29 kakobrekla: name one chat protocol that surpasses it

02:00:16 decimation: Yeah I can't

02:00:28 kakobrekla: mhm

02:00:31 decimation: I'm thinking of something like bittorrent

02:00:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44 BTC [+]

02:00:43 kakobrekla: thats chatroulette

02:01:29 dignork: decimation: there is a tox chat, torrent like, but nowhere close to irc so far

02:01:51 decimation: well, by "nowhere close" do we mean in software maturity or in widespread adoption?

02:02:06 dignork: decimation: unfortunately both

02:03:03 dignork: I mean there is a usable console client for one to one chat, and support for group chat, but still.

02:03:40 decimation: it's sad that there's not mechanism for multicast on the general internet

02:03:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.44 = 0.88 BTC [+]

02:06:54 decimation: One could use the bitcoin protocol to chat if they are willing to spend the coin

02:07:11 decimation: ascii has pointed this out several times

02:07:54 dignork: decimation: if you want to keep all your messages till bitcoin-dev finnaly figures a way to implement purging, yes.

02:11:21 dignork: thinking of it, twitter 2.0, your message is limited to 40 bytes of OP_RETURN, and you waste bitcoins, delicious!

02:18:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 118 @ 0.00709991 = 0.8378 BTC [+] {3}

02:22:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10297 @ 0.00100518 = 10.3503 BTC [+] {2}

02:26:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5770 @ 0.00100104 = 5.776 BTC [-]

02:33:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47050 @ 0.00099364 = 46.7508 BTC [-] {5}

02:53:12 benkay: regarding coinprism, i wonder if the same pattern of webwallet heists is going to happen with the cc walletsregarding coinprism

03:04:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 301 @ 0.00422005 = 1.2702 BTC [+] {2}

03:11:55 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot Mats_cd03

03:11:55 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Mats_cd03: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Mats_cd03 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Mats_cd03 | Rated since: Tue May 13 15:07:43 2014

03:12:04 benkay: aight Mats_cd03

03:14:37 benkay: time for some tech-nose

03:17:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00099996 = 14.1994 BTC [+]

03:19:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0721002 = 1.8025 BTC [-] {3}

03:22:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07452082 = 0.2236 BTC [+]

03:53:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13645 @ 0.00099801 = 13.6178 BTC [-] {2}

04:08:31 benkay: http://www.followthecoin.com/dogepdx-portlands-biggest-dogecoin-party/

04:08:33 assbot: DogePDX! It's a Dogecoin Party in Portland! -

04:09:37 benkay: https://angel.co/wow-such-business-inc

04:09:38 assbot: Wow Such Business, Inc. | AngelList

04:10:07 benkay: can't decide if i need to go to harsh the vibe or stay in and work on actual things

04:10:10 benkay: leaning towards the latter

04:14:52 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 471 @ 0.00021725 = 0.1023 BTC [+]

04:15:41 moiety: morning

04:16:02 moiety: lol benkay, i kinda want to know if they talk that way in person

04:18:53 moiety: kakobrekla: re wiki: i took it off because i wasn't sure how useful it was. i still have it though

04:27:03 benkay: moiety: it's worse than that - everyone talks like that.

04:27:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.0009973 = 5.0364 BTC [-]

04:31:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10167 @ 0.00100109 = 10.1781 BTC [+] {2}

04:31:50 moiety: benkay: i think you should go wearing this: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fCUgM-FAJdA/UtL85lHtl7I/AAAAAAAAOh8/kl8EAe0RDDk/s380/Doug%2BRatner%2B-%2BId%2BRather%2BBe%2BWith%2BMy%2BCat%2BNew%2BShirt%2B-%2B1.jpg

04:33:32 benkay: "i'd rather be with my pussy"

04:34:01 moiety: that would work too

04:35:11 moiety: probably make folk jealous though

04:35:52 benkay: not really my problem.

04:36:03 benkay: maybe i should drape lady v over my arm and go troll the dogelings.

04:43:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00100018 = 3.8007 BTC [-]

04:43:25 moiety: do it

04:43:36 moiety: though that involves dragging her through the evening also

04:45:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012252 = 0.3676 BTC [-] {11}

04:57:46 benkay: could be enjoyable.

05:03:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30943 @ 0.00099943 = 30.9254 BTC [-] {3}

05:22:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

05:28:07 kakobrekla: moiety i dont see how it was harming anyone

05:34:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16336 @ 0.00100067 = 16.3469 BTC [+]

05:42:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.02448339 = 0.3428 BTC [+]

05:45:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3955 @ 0.00100078 = 3.9581 BTC [+]

05:46:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

05:48:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 40 @ 0.041 = 1.64 BTC [-]

05:52:13 moiety: kakobrekla: tweaked and returned. If there's anything hideously wrong, please let me know

06:10:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2895 @ 0.00012213 = 0.3536 BTC [-] {3}

06:11:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5996 @ 0.00012002 = 0.7196 BTC [-] {6}

06:16:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07250006 = 0.58 BTC [-] {2}

06:19:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9655 @ 0.00100067 = 9.6615 BTC [-]

06:22:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13486 @ 0.0010008 = 13.4968 BTC [+] {2}

06:31:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10009 @ 0.00100067 = 10.0157 BTC [-]

06:43:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9895 @ 0.0010015 = 9.9098 BTC [+]

06:59:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00100235 = 17.4409 BTC [+] {2}

07:08:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3382 @ 0.00100287 = 3.3917 BTC [+]

07:11:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 3150 @ 0.00013 = 0.4095 BTC [-]

07:28:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00100287 = 6.1175 BTC [+]

07:31:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10890 @ 0.00099734 = 10.861 BTC [-] {5}

07:33:06 Naphex: morning

07:40:15 fluffypony: Naphex :)

07:41:23 Naphex: what's going on

07:45:02 fluffypony: nothing much

07:45:04 fluffypony: nearly breakfast time

07:45:35 fluffypony: well more like brunch at this stage

07:47:45 Naphex: Thu May 15 10:47:45 EEST 2014

07:47:49 Naphex: what time is it in sa?

07:47:57 fluffypony: 9:47am

07:49:02 Naphex: you're an early man too eh?:P

07:50:33 fluffypony: lol

07:51:04 fluffypony: been up for a couple of hours, but the wife has gotten into this fancy-breakfast-making habit

07:51:18 fluffypony: so we normally only eat at between 9 and 11, lol

08:05:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 780 @ 0.00099444 = 0.7757 BTC [-]

08:08:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4630 @ 0.00099444 = 4.6043 BTC [-]

08:10:35 mircea_popescu: http://bitstrips.com/

08:10:35 assbot: Bitstrips - Comics starring YOU and your Friends

08:10:45 mircea_popescu: is this the first case of a bit* site that's pre-bitcoin ?

08:15:20 fluffypony: I'm sure there are others

08:15:25 fluffypony: the bitpay domain was registered in 2004, for eg.

08:15:35 mircea_popescu: ya but it's a bitsite

08:15:39 mircea_popescu: i don't just mean the reg date

08:15:44 fluffypony: bitgames.com = 2002

08:15:59 fluffypony: oic

08:16:03 mircea_popescu: unrelated, https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/466853837576609792

08:16:03 assbot: http://t.co/wLzTSvt8xd Next step in marriage progress : preteens and horses. Because why should species matter when souls are in love!

08:18:28 fluffypony: lol

08:18:31 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/niubi/status/466834826419388416

08:18:32 assbot: Deputy head of coal dept of national energy administration detained, had over 100m rmb cash at home http://t.co/raWOJ1Sraz

08:18:37 mircea_popescu: talk about inflation.

08:25:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

08:29:12 Naphex: ebay ceo bullish on bitcoin on paypal

08:29:16 Naphex: god help us ;/

08:30:24 mircea_popescu: what's "on bitcoin on paypal" mean.

08:30:38 bounce: at a guess, something along the lines of "bitcoin with chargebacks"

08:31:02 Naphex: "We think Bitcoin will play a very important role in the future. Exactly how that plays out, and how we can best take advantage of it and enable it with PayPal, that's something we're actively considering. It's on our radar screen."

08:31:37 mircea_popescu: so reddit, made out of people who have no idea how to read pr statements, got all excited ?

08:31:50 mircea_popescu: that thing says exactly nothing at all. whence bullish ?

08:32:30 Naphex: well he's been soundbiting it on bloomberg as well

08:32:33 Naphex: a couple of months ago

08:32:44 Naphex: about how pp and bitcoin would and can go well

08:32:56 mircea_popescu: he has to.

08:33:10 mircea_popescu: the alternative is, "bitcoin will kill us in a matter of years. please keep buying our stock"

08:33:38 mircea_popescu: ebay is rimm cca 2005. who wants to tell the people with 401k's that mp will make a killing with puts on their savings ?

08:35:12 mircea_popescu: ARGLE BARGLE ahahaha

08:36:11 Naphex: heh, well they could just integrate bitcoin;p

08:36:31 Naphex: but just the fact that they're big makes them slow in adding something, so it might drag

08:36:40 mircea_popescu: decimation: IRC is kind of a creaky old protocol. it works, but it's like hitching a ride on a Cuban 1950's Ford truck <<< there are two kinds of protocols : the "creaky old" stuff which is good and the new shitty stuff which is bad.

08:36:51 mircea_popescu: same exact thing can besaid of tcp/ip, or anything else that works.

08:36:56 mircea_popescu: none of the "better" shit is worth two shits.

08:36:57 Naphex: IRC is a pretty good protocol

08:37:01 Naphex: old doesn't factor in

08:37:11 mircea_popescu: Naphex they can't integrate bitcoin, because i will never id to use it.

08:37:38 Naphex: well they don't have to, they can have a bitcoin wallet

08:37:43 Naphex: and just ID to exchange to USD

08:37:45 Naphex: or fiat

08:38:07 Naphex: and you can spend bitcoin on pp shops as USD, without ID

08:38:08 Naphex: there

08:38:13 mircea_popescu: decimation: it's sad that there's not mechanism for multicast on the general internet <<< god help us. lomic ?!

08:38:55 mircea_popescu: Naphex so then they just made a bitcoin to usd gateway

08:38:59 mircea_popescu: how is this including bitcoin ?

08:39:22 bounce: there's plenty that IRC could be doing better. but the basic stuff works pretty well.

08:39:55 mircea_popescu: that compound is self contradictory.

08:40:43 Naphex: sometimes it is more then enough to do 1 thing well, istead of 100 things mediocrely

08:40:54 mircea_popescu: where sometimes is all the times.

08:41:04 punkman: bounce, like what?

08:41:38 bounce: say, a per-channel tag expressing a preferred charset

08:41:49 mircea_popescu: jesus christ

08:42:05 punkman: utf8 don't work for you?

08:42:22 Naphex: utf8 and its up for the clients to interpret is fine

08:42:25 punkman: πφφφ

08:42:41 Naphex: since they only interpret command params

08:42:42 mircea_popescu: if i had to pick a bad example... wtf kludge is that

08:42:45 bounce: nope. and it's a flight-forward kind of thing. "if only everyone used this one standard system" -- but there isn't just one standard

08:42:48 mircea_popescu: why should irc be charset aware

08:43:01 Apocalyptic: ^

08:43:06 bounce: well, it's never been non-charset aware, there just was only one charset

08:43:16 mircea_popescu: again, contradictory.

08:43:52 bounce: well, it's what's in the rfc. "we assume it's ascii with some swedish specialness"

08:44:25 mircea_popescu: that rfc is confused lol

08:44:30 mircea_popescu: anyway, gtg for nao

08:44:51 bounce: so people just use whatever charset they like, and a bunch of clients now standard guess whether the characters they're looking at is latin-1 or utf-8 and switch tack based on the guesses

08:45:29 Naphex: they should just default to utf8

08:45:34 Naphex: and be done with it

08:45:42 Naphex: they'll change charset when they see artifacts all day

08:45:51 Naphex: or have the irc client use utf8 decoding as default

08:45:54 bounce: again, flight-forward kind of thing. and it completely disregards the (considerable) costs of utf-8

08:51:17 Naphex: what are the utf-8 costs that are so considerable?

08:52:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 82 @ 0.0720659 = 5.9094 BTC [-] {10}

08:52:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]

09:11:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [-]

09:35:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16415 @ 0.00100287 = 16.4621 BTC [+]

09:40:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.434005 = 0.868 BTC [-] {2}

09:41:51 fluffypony: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa-upgrade-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant/

09:41:51 assbot: Photos of an NSA upgrade factory show Cisco router getting implant | Ars Technica

09:42:37 fluffypony: Naphex: that's for you

09:45:22 Naphex: cisco routers prolly already had "beacons" in :)

09:45:28 Naphex: that workstation is just for upgrades

09:45:28 Naphex: :)

09:53:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4307105 = 4.3071 BTC [-] {4}

09:58:07 punkman: "Also our cold wallet is going to be stored on a dedicated system that will come online less than once a day for brief random interval to carry out necessary transactions."

09:58:17 punkman: that's not cold at all

09:58:20 fluffypony: hah hah

09:58:37 fluffypony: lukewarm wallet

09:59:16 Apocalyptic: that's semi-hot

09:59:19 punkman: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/virtex-a-new-online-crypto-currency-trading-platform.281396/

09:59:20 assbot: Virtex! A new online crypto currency trading platform | Bitcointa.lk

09:59:29 Apocalyptic: i'm already facepalming

10:00:39 punkman: "Good news. Literally! We have been featured in several online news magazines."

10:01:52 punkman: "CEO Paulius Meskauskas, CMO Tomas Andzelis, CRO Mantas Gustys and a team of over 20 other people"

10:02:14 Apocalyptic: punkman, your former line reminded me of neobee

10:10:42 punkman: why do all these 7" low resolution monitors cost as much as a 20" HD one?

10:14:19 Naphex: http://www.theonion.com/video/social-media-rock-star-makes-28000-per-year,32302/

10:14:19 assbot: Social Media Rock Star Makes $28,000 Per Year | Video | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

10:22:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-]

10:23:14 fluffypony: Apocalyptic: is the header picture supposed to be a phoenix rising from the ashes?

10:23:59 Apocalyptic: fluffypony, header picture of ?

10:24:05 fluffypony: virtuals

10:24:06 fluffypony: virtex

10:24:07 fluffypony: ffs

10:24:15 Apocalyptic: I have no clue

10:24:31 fluffypony: http://www.virtex.com/img/head_bg.jpg

10:24:34 fluffypony: ka-kawww

10:24:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.0425 = 0.34 BTC [+]

10:27:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 89 @ 0.072 = 6.408 BTC [-] {2}

10:34:31 punkman: we got embassies now, http://bitcoinembassy.ca/ http://bitcoinet.pl/2014/05/10/bitcoin-embassy/

10:34:32 assbot: Welcome

10:34:32 assbot: Europe’s First Bitcoin Embassy To Open in Poland | Bitcoinet

10:36:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00099757 = 3.0426 BTC [-] {2}

10:37:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.430001 = 2.58 BTC [-] {2}

10:38:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.429 = 0.858 BTC [-]

10:46:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0067001 = 0.268 BTC [-]

10:47:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 63 @ 0.00646729 = 0.4074 BTC [-] {5}

10:48:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43401 BTC [+]

10:52:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 836 @ 0.041 = 34.276 BTC [-]

10:56:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43401 BTC [+]

10:59:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.02448339 = 0.4652 BTC [+]

11:00:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02449178 = 0.2449 BTC [+] {3}

11:16:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43989998 BTC [+]

11:23:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00100287 = 5.1146 BTC [+]

11:32:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

11:34:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 7418 @ 0.0000666 = 0.494 BTC [-] {8}

11:35:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2532 @ 0.00006561 = 0.1661 BTC [-] {5}

11:50:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00100287 = 1.2034 BTC [+]

11:55:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11015 @ 0.0009996 = 11.0106 BTC [-]

11:57:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.42134819 = 2.1067 BTC [-] {5}

11:57:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02364228 = 0.2364 BTC [-] {2}

11:58:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.02364223 = 0.4256 BTC [-] {3}

11:58:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.0313997 = 0.6908 BTC [+] {2}

11:59:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.03139977 = 0.6908 BTC [+] {4}

12:00:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03139998 = 0.1256 BTC [+] {2}

12:07:31 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pADgAmNzxek

12:07:32 assbot: MV We are all bitcoins - YouTube

12:07:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0718 = 1.077 BTC [-]

12:07:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03139999 = 0.1884 BTC [+] {2}

12:10:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4220001 BTC [+]

12:18:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0009948 = 17.0111 BTC [-] {3}

12:21:11 davout: ;;seen mircea_popescu

12:21:11 gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 36 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> anyway, gtg for nao

12:27:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]

12:32:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00400007 = 0.4 BTC [-] {3}

12:32:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00100287 = 14.9929 BTC [+] {2}

12:37:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.0009938 = 12.1244 BTC [-] {2}

12:41:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.41200008 = 2.06 BTC [-] {3}

12:45:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.412 = 8.652 BTC [-]

12:48:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41103005 BTC [-]

12:48:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0237301 = 0.2373 BTC [+]

12:49:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41103001 = 0.8221 BTC [-] {2}

12:57:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41103002 BTC [+]

12:58:26 fluffypony: moiety: http://i.imgur.com/EFwpW5N.jpg

12:58:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41103001 = 0.8221 BTC [-] {2}

12:58:33 fluffypony: baby fox > manul

12:59:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41103001 BTC [-]

13:00:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00099227 = 13.5941 BTC [-] {2}

13:02:02 moiety: fluffypony: you made the baby sad http://www.savemanul.org/images/full/1_sm.jpg

13:02:13 fluffypony: lol

13:02:19 fluffypony: ok they're both cute

13:04:22 moiety: :D

13:08:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 19 @ 0.041 = 0.779 BTC [-]

13:09:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 258 @ 0.0008549 = 0.2206 BTC [+]

13:10:52 fluffypony: altcoins are really running out of ideas

13:11:49 fluffypony: BillionCoin - "First coin with integrated chatroom in wallet"

13:12:04 fluffypony: because when choosing a cryptocurrency, an integrated IRC client sets you apart from the herd

13:15:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2014/05/08/syphilis-making-a-big-comeback-among-men-warns-the-cdc/

13:15:33 assbot: Syphilis Made A Big Comeback In 2013, CDC Warns - Forbes

13:18:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMicm1308567#figure=f1

13:18:33 assbot: MMS: Error

13:20:39 mircea_popescu: mms error ?

13:21:41 BingoBoingo: Oh, it's just about the opposite of .bait

13:21:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.041 = 0.615 BTC [-]

13:22:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0718 = 0.718 BTC [-]

13:24:03 mircea_popescu: lol

13:24:08 BingoBoingo: Basically the New England Journal of Medicine is irrelevant because they insist on embeding images as adobe flash

13:24:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 17 @ 0.041 = 0.697 BTC [-]

13:24:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03139999 = 0.314 BTC [+]

13:25:01 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron My OpenBSD cd's arrived yesterday.

13:25:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:26:46 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/hQa3WMO.jpg << what happened to "judy will have to stfu and IT a lot, maybe someone'll care to listen to her stupid shit" ?

13:27:41 mircea_popescu: this fucking "x will need to" replacement for "we would like for x to" is a riot.

13:27:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]

13:29:14 fluffypony: I don't get it - is it supposed to be a kid's book?

13:30:33 mircea_popescu: more like a white knight's book.

13:30:48 fluffypony: lol

13:31:11 mircea_popescu: punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2014#673415 so nyah!

13:31:12 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

13:32:06 jurov: duh what a day.. thanks to coinroll bots we found out about Math.random backdoor in node.js

13:32:33 mircea_popescu: o.O

13:32:45 jurov: somehow it just isn't able to generate more than 80 million random IDs

13:33:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41103001 BTC [-]

13:33:04 jurov: regardless of node restarts that should have changed the seed

13:33:21 mircea_popescu: hahaha

13:33:33 mircea_popescu: 80mn keyspace ? random generator ? le loll ?

13:33:37 jurov: and reaction of typical node programmer like wao? "oh i remember we had this problem sometime"

13:33:54 mircea_popescu: write this up, in mucho detail. i bet you all the shitty "paper wallet" js implementations rest on node.js

13:34:09 jurov: !up wao

13:34:34 wao: yeah, I found this dickie feature of node in past ^ :D

13:35:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [-]

13:35:11 mircea_popescu: well so document it.

13:35:13 davout: X.EUR rollover done, receipts available upon request

13:35:26 jurov: but it's inherited from chrome, no? chrome can have it too then?

13:35:36 wao: possible, it's v8, right

13:35:45 BingoBoingo: Fucking google.

13:35:50 wao: !

13:35:54 wao: we are all bugged!

13:35:57 BingoBoingo: Lemme guess this is also the android RNG problem

13:36:03 wao: hehe

13:36:04 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 288 @ 0.00311106 = 0.896 BTC [+] {2}

13:36:34 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo afaik that was never THAT narrow. 10^8, srsly ?

13:37:00 mircea_popescu: so basically any gpg key / wallet / anything ever generater on node.js could be cracked trivially, within hours.

13:37:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 150 @ 0.041 = 6.15 BTC [-]

13:37:20 Naphex: hey just implement your own RNG, go for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mersenne_twister and /dev/urandom / random

13:37:20 assbot: Mersenne twister - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

13:37:22 mircea_popescu: the rainbows off a 80mn wide space fit on any hdd ffs.

13:37:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, either space is still bigger than debian had circa 2006...

13:37:41 fluffypony: afaik most of those paper wallet things are straight JS and they do the crunching on the client device

13:37:54 mircea_popescu: Naphex afaik linux rand calls mt_rand anyway

13:37:54 wao: literally, mircea is right

13:38:05 mircea_popescu: fluffypony so ?

13:38:15 wao: in past, there was reason why people made modules for node.js like these http://www.enchantedage.com/node-mersenne

13:38:16 assbot: Node.js Mersenne Twister random number generator module | Everything you never wanted to know about Jon Watte

13:38:30 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: so no node in that case?

13:38:45 mircea_popescu: fluffypony hopefully. you know ?

13:38:49 fluffypony: yeah

13:39:52 wao: mircea_popescu: I think it was mentioned many times, like 2-3years ago

13:39:53 *: fluffypony throws the jew down the well

13:40:00 BingoBoingo: Doesn't Bitpay have some node.js bitcoin library or node or someshit?

13:40:01 wao: like guy at his github for module did, https://github.com/my8bird/nodejs-secure-random

13:40:01 assbot: my8bird/nodejs-secure-random GitHub

13:40:16 wao: "Javascripts Math.random is not very random." but is more like javascript problem I think

13:40:17 jurov: wao is there a bug report for it?

13:40:38 wao: but report for javascript? maybe in ecma6 is fixed, dunno. I didnt keep eye on it

13:40:48 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: Bitcore I think

13:40:51 jurov: oh that's in *specification*?

13:40:54 fluffypony: http://blog.bitpay.com/2014/02/14/introducing-bitcore.html

13:40:55 assbot: Introducing Bitcore | The BitPay Blog

13:41:51 Naphex: its pretty basic to just use a custom RNG then Math.random in js

13:42:04 wao: jurov: here is something like 'official' https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322529

13:42:07 assbot: 322529 – Upgrade Math.random() to a better algorithm, such as Mersenne Twister

13:42:14 Naphex: this is what it returns 0.4092895321082324

13:42:30 wao: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111027154059AAP5kz0

13:42:31 assbot: Javascript question! math.floor(math.random()) doesn't seem to be that random..?

13:42:50 fluffypony: yahoo answers...we're digging deep into the pile now

13:42:53 fluffypony: :-P

13:42:59 wao: :D

13:43:18 jurov: sooo ... looks like enough derpage was witten about it already

13:43:21 wao: jurov: I think I've seen something similiar at CR lol http://www.wikihow.com/Generate-Random-Numbers-in-JavaScript

13:43:21 assbot: How to Generate Random Numbers in JavaScript: 6 Steps

13:43:24 wao: :D

13:43:31 wao: last step, win

13:43:43 Apocalyptic: fluffypony, "we need to go deeper"

13:43:49 fluffypony: Apocalyptic: Geocities!

13:43:59 Apocalyptic: neocities nao

13:44:08 fluffypony: unless you're the FCC

13:44:14 wao: fluffypony: oh, geocities gone with dinosaurs, now it's called neocities :P

13:44:47 wao: ok, enough of javascript-trolling, do not use javascript, especially on serverside! )

13:45:01 fluffypony: you kids and your Neocities and node.js and frappucinos and boostrap

13:45:11 wao: :D

13:45:16 wao: that's how girls write code

13:45:29 Naphex: and nothing wrong in using /dev/urandom /dev/random

13:45:34 fluffypony: lol

13:45:35 wao: you know, all that rails girls classes for subversile girls

13:45:45 jurov: wao <3 railsgirls

13:45:49 wao: (submisive is too sexistic word..)

13:45:53 jurov: i can confirm

13:46:08 fluffypony: gawd, I didn't even know railsgirls was a thing

13:46:26 wao: there was even JS ladies

13:46:33 wao: but didnt catch up trend, yet.

13:49:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]

13:54:43 jborkl: Javascript girls?

13:55:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41103 BTC [-]

13:58:05 mircea_popescu: davout so, you publishing the x.eur settlement anywhere ?

14:00:11 davout: nah, interested in the rationale that would be behind it, you said "it allows the pricing of derivatives, bitbet bets etc."

14:00:21 davout: referred to shelling points

14:00:45 mircea_popescu: well, yes. you're in a fine position to establish a signal settlement price.

14:00:49 davout: so if i understand correctly you think it could have some use a price signal

14:00:52 mircea_popescu: just publish it. can be last trade even

14:01:01 mircea_popescu: it definitely can

14:01:25 davout: it's very thinly traded tho, and i could manipulate it, no?

14:01:33 mircea_popescu: "i will pay joe 1.5 btc for this car on may 16th, provided x.eur settles under 0.03. otherwise, 1.2 btc"

14:01:42 mircea_popescu: well these go in tandem

14:01:47 davout: absolutely

14:02:50 moiety: my day so far: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-klR-u599oNQ/UnxctgPNn9I/AAAAAAAAC1M/R4LL59kj0O0/s1600/shutup.png

14:03:02 mircea_popescu: that's what a schelling point is. suppose you're abudcted by aliens, with a bunch of other people you never saw in your life. the aliens put four cards face up in front of each of you, the same cards, and say yo ucan go if you all pick the same card

14:03:09 mircea_popescu: they're 4c 5s 4d qh

14:03:25 mircea_popescu: it's pretty clear you're all getting out, right ?

14:03:34 davout: i'd pick the queen

14:03:42 mircea_popescu: so would everyone else. but why ?

14:03:47 mircea_popescu: just as much a card as any other.

14:04:05 mircea_popescu: schelling point. needs to have the property of direct obviousness and no other.

14:04:05 davout: it has a distinctive property

14:04:17 davout: that i can imagine others will see as well

14:04:55 mircea_popescu: so therefore, published settlement price.

14:05:12 mircea_popescu: plus people will be able to do soft futures on its basis

14:05:20 BingoBoingo: People who are hard to envy: http://www.epmonthly.com/www.epmonthly.com/departments/clinical-skills/ultrasound/time-is-testicle/

14:05:21 assbot: Time is Testicle

14:05:25 mircea_popescu: (joe borrows from moe x.eur, promises to repay either in x.eur or else in settlement value)

14:06:26 davout: which one should i take? last trade before settlement (which could be days behind) or last active bid before settlement?

14:06:44 mircea_popescu: up to you really. you're the manager.

14:06:46 davout: last midpoint before settlement mebbe

14:06:50 mircea_popescu: pick a good one and stick to it.

14:07:51 davout: i can see the use, i'll use the opportunity to publish a coupla stats too

14:08:24 mircea_popescu: cool.

14:08:34 mircea_popescu: and yes, it helps your blog get some nice sticky content, too.

14:08:39 mircea_popescu: it's a win win all arond rly.

14:10:19 davout: that'll make a nice first post, a nice second post too if i'm lazy

14:12:03 BingoBoingo: http://www.popehat.com/2014/05/13/department-of-health-and-human-services-threatens-blogger-over-satirical-posts/

14:12:06 assbot: Department of Health And Human Services Threatens Blogger Over Satirical Posts | Popehat

14:12:31 davout: bbl

14:12:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03139999 = 0.1884 BTC [+]

14:14:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.40401266 = 4.8482 BTC [-] {7}

14:19:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 222 @ 0.00399493 = 0.8869 BTC [-] {5}

14:22:24 BingoBoingo: http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/05/meeting-of-minds.html

14:22:24 assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: Meeting of the minds

14:25:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 87 @ 0.041 = 3.567 BTC [-]

14:26:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 53 @ 0.041 = 2.173 BTC [-] {2}

14:35:27 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lmao

14:35:46 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Now you know who raises reddit

14:36:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.02480844 = 0.1737 BTC [+]

14:36:45 mircea_popescu: lmao there's a belgium whale now, buying up all the Ts russia is dumping. hahaha

14:38:41 BingoBoingo: Where's Ahab when you need him.

14:43:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41979957 BTC [+]

14:45:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]

14:48:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]

14:49:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07468319 = 0.6721 BTC [+] {4}

14:53:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8769 @ 0.00011351 = 0.9954 BTC [+] {2}

14:57:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.041 = 0.492 BTC [-]

14:59:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07386428 = 0.8125 BTC [-] {3}

15:07:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00099607 = 1.6933 BTC [+]

15:11:01 thestringpuller: ;;seen bitcoinpete

15:11:01 gribble: bitcoinpete was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 19 hours, 52 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <bitcoinpete> bbl

15:11:09 fluffypony: mucho latero

15:11:22 bitcoinpete: ahoy mateys

15:11:47 bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: fixed your gravatar in the comments section

15:12:18 bitcoinpete: peterl: s.limbs must be a joke then!

15:13:25 thestringpuller: bitcoinpete: I have a story for you.

15:14:42 bitcoinpete: ok shoot

15:17:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00395629 = 0.3956 BTC [-] {2}

15:22:02 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/15/forget-cpi-inflation-is-measured-with-art/

15:22:03 assbot: Forget CPI. Inflation Is Measured With Art. | When Bitcoin Met Pete

15:22:58 pankkake: it's also a way to escape taxes, at least in France very much so

15:28:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.07183641 = 2.1551 BTC [-] {9}

15:29:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.42 BTC [+]

15:30:02 bitcoinpete: pankkake: you guys have a wonderful history of appreciating art in all its dimensions

15:30:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.42848002 = 1.7139 BTC [+] {3}

15:32:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC [+]

15:43:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13427 @ 0.00099372 = 13.3427 BTC [-]

15:45:31 benkay: wsj is down

15:45:36 benkay: logs are short

15:45:42 benkay: what is a boy to read over coffee anyways?

15:46:33 thestringpuller: why don't you program something in lisp

15:46:36 cgcardona: good morning everyone o/

15:46:48 thestringpuller: ;;ident

15:46:48 gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

15:52:51 mike_c: i'm still waiting for thestringpuller's story.

15:52:59 fluffypony: mike_c: you and me both

15:54:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.43 = 0.86 BTC [+]

15:55:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11791 @ 0.00099221 = 11.6991 BTC [-] {2}

15:55:41 benkay: thestringpuller: lisp happens after coffee.

15:55:49 benkay: and what story are we waiting for?

15:56:19 mike_c: <+thestringpuller> bitcoinpete: I have a story for you.

15:56:49 benkay: ah

15:58:01 benkay: bitcoinpete: you have this 'substitution' nonsense up north as well?

15:58:30 bitcoinpete: like for teachers?

15:58:50 benkay: cpi

15:59:20 benkay: jurov, wao can y'all give me a link to something about the node.js and js.rand problems?

15:59:52 bitcoinpete: o ya

15:59:56 bitcoinpete: of course

16:00:07 bitcoinpete: i doubt there's a western country without it

16:00:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.45469843 BTC to 8`643 shares, 28401 satoshi per share

16:01:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 3.47474341 BTC to 151`537 shares, 2293 satoshi per share

16:02:44 benkay: bleugh.

16:03:09 benkay: wowee markets got hammered yesterdat

16:03:33 benkay: not mpoe tho :)

16:04:04 danielpbarron: what services are using node.js? i tried searching around but couldn't get definitive answers

16:04:25 danielpbarron: I assume bc.i and bitaddress use it

16:04:56 mike_c: i bet JD does.

16:05:07 danielpbarron: what's that? just-dice?

16:05:10 mike_c: yeah

16:05:23 mike_c: makes heavy use of websockets, which often go hand in hand with node.js

16:05:39 pankkake: you need pictures of the developers to know that. do they have thick rimmed glasses, fedoras, or ironic moustaches?

16:05:51 danielpbarron: is that relevant for services that aren't generating addresses?

16:06:03 benkay: yes.

16:06:09 BingoBoingo: Related, it takes merely 1 gram of raw botulin toxin to supply the amount needed for the world's pharmaceutical use in a year. http://www.allergan.com/assets/pdf/2011AnnualReport.pdf

16:06:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19773 @ 0.00099273 = 19.6293 BTC [+] {2}

16:06:55 danielpbarron: I'm waiting for the bitcoin-days destroyed chart to have a spike today

16:07:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00404899 = 0.4049 BTC [+]

16:07:34 jurov: benkay it's in the log, such as: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322529

16:07:38 assbot: 322529 – Upgrade Math.random() to a better algorithm, such as Mersenne Twister

16:07:38 moiety: we use node.js

16:08:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00404899 = 0.1215 BTC [+] {2}

16:09:01 thestringpuller: bitcoinpete mike_c : It's a rehash of an old story, but it would be a neat article if the research is done right.

16:09:22 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu already did it once on fraudsters

16:09:27 fluffypony: pankkake

16:09:30 thestringpuller: "Bitcoin Drama Timeline"

16:09:31 fluffypony: I think you're being out-trolled

16:09:34 fluffypony: "Sorry for you that GPG is hard. Probably you can find introduction guide to help you understand."

16:09:45 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551698.msg6740552#msg6740552

16:09:45 assbot: [Weekly Dividends] Symmetric Step Trading

16:09:56 pankkake: yeah…

16:10:15 bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: intriguing

16:12:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.43340239 = 0.8668 BTC [+]

16:13:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.43493332 = 1.3048 BTC [+] {3}

16:14:29 benkay: thanks jurov. i saw that link but hope springs eternal

16:15:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.135 BTC [-]

16:19:47 artifexd: kakobrekla: Changes/bug fixes were made to artibot. She is here. But assbot didn't voice her. Her nick is []bot

16:20:33 punkman: https://bitcoin-trader.biz/opportunities.php

16:20:35 assbot: Bitcoin Trader | Income Opportunities

16:22:41 kakobrekla: no info about who is supposed to run this

16:23:19 punkman: "HYIP monitors, promoters and related services: Don't waste your time! We are not getting acquainted with any HYIP related service. Related support requests will be deleted immediately."

16:23:21 punkman: lol

16:24:46 fluffypony: lol

16:26:19 fluffypony: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Confirms-Usage-Caps-Going-Nationwide-After-Trials-128963

16:26:20 assbot: Comcast Confirms Usage Caps Going Nationwide After Trials | DSLReports, ISP Information

16:26:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00300004 = 0.3 BTC [-] {3}

16:27:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07485045 = 0.7485 BTC [+]

16:29:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0039882 = 0.3988 BTC [-] {3}

16:30:11 thestringpuller: bitcoinpete: so my idea would be to do what mircea_popescu did but additionally, compare it to the known losses of non scammor companies (i think most losses from non scamming companies have been covered somehow). Thus there is like a two-side criterion based on BingoBoingo's observation of a BTC company that incurs losses it can never cover as "scammors"

16:30:48 thestringpuller: it's less of a story, and more of a case study

16:32:18 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well, loses without being a scam are probably possible if they are documented, but generally an obligation that can't be covered is a scam.

16:32:54 benkay: "can't be covered" in which timeframe?

16:33:05 BingoBoingo: If you Gox says you have X BTC and can't cover that it's a scam.

16:33:16 benkay: there are people in this channel in the proces of paying off their obligations.

16:33:33 BingoBoingo: benkay: Well, it depends on the construct.

16:33:41 thestringpuller: aren't those people labeled as scammors until those obligations are paid of per the contract?

16:34:02 thestringpuller: or moreover if they are currently in violation of a contract they are definitively scammors in that context

16:34:09 thestringpuller: albeit they may have good intent

16:35:00 benkay: sounds like everyone's real eager with the 'scammer' tag.

16:35:37 benkay: mistakes get made, and then get rectified. sometimes the rectification takes 3 years, sometimes it never happens.

16:36:03 benkay: that icky continuum of reality.

16:36:20 thestringpuller: fortunately there is no fairy godmother Bernanke

16:36:30 thestringpuller: to bail out the mistake makers here if they dig a hole too deep

16:36:32 danielpbarron: Bitcoin is not for the fait of heart

16:36:38 danielpbarron: faint*

16:38:04 kakobrekla: should be all good artifexd .

16:38:28 artifexd: ty

16:38:33 kakobrekla: no, ty.

16:38:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0067001 = 0.268 BTC [-]

16:39:09 thestringpuller: no ty!

16:39:17 thestringpuller: NO U

16:39:30 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com bitcoin drama timeline

16:39:31 gribble: The Bitcoin Drama Timeline pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/; Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe fraudsters - Un blog de ...: http://fraudsters.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/; Amir Taaki has done, and continues to do, huge disservice ... - fraudsters: http://fraudsters.com/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and- (1 more message)

16:39:50 danielpbarron: has anyone here ever compiled ssss-0.5 on openbsd 5.5 ?

16:40:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.03139999 = 1.57 BTC [+]

16:42:24 fluffypony: I tend to agree with benkay

16:42:45 fluffypony: I think I'm overly liberal with the labelling sometimes

16:43:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03139999 = 0.1256 BTC [+]

16:44:05 benkay: okay new topic

16:44:54 thestringpuller: new topic is why LISP is unecessary

16:44:59 thestringpuller: /trololol

16:46:28 benkay: pressed shitboard.

16:53:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 366 @ 0.00099324 = 0.3635 BTC [+]

16:53:48 bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: "compare it to the known losses of non scammor companies" <<ya, not sure if there are any of these around

16:55:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41514221 BTC [-]

17:07:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00099324 = 6.1581 BTC [+]

17:11:22 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell thickasthieves have fun in amsterdam today!

17:11:22 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:12:27 bitcoinpete: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/05/15/russians-flee-u-s-treasury-debt-as-sanctions-hit/

17:12:28 assbot: Russians Flee U.S. Treasury Debt As Sanctions Hit - Real Time Economics - WSJ

17:12:49 bitcoinpete: Russia’s net Treasury security holdings dropped $25.8 billion in March to $100.4 billion, tumbling 20% from February’s $126.2 billion

17:13:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21307 @ 0.00099369 = 21.1726 BTC [+] {2}

17:15:02 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/NHendersonWSJ/status/466942995984445441

17:15:03 assbot: What's a Chinese firm to do when wages rise? Open a factory in Africa http://t.co/ZEL95cFTae

17:16:21 bitcoinpete: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-27388104 << rbi doesn't even want free usd

17:16:21 assbot: BBC News - The 10-year-old who offered money to India's central bank

17:21:38 fluffypony: hah hah

17:21:40 fluffypony: straight to Cape Town

17:21:40 jborkl: http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/bBGNBD/www.bcoinnews.com < scre you internets you're ma bitch

17:21:40 assbot: Website speed test

17:21:43 fluffypony: classic

17:22:57 bitcoinpete: jborkl: my blog got 83/100 :D

17:23:26 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: you're ahead of the curve

17:23:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41095544 BTC [-]

17:24:15 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: the funny thing is I did a cost analysis of the OpenRigs frames vs. China (at scale) and it ends up being cheaper to manufacture here, but they win on direct shipping costs

17:24:34 fluffypony: at the smaller scale we're currently at it's significantly more blurry

17:24:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.41060003 = 1.2318 BTC [-] {2}

17:24:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.003988 = 0.3988 BTC [-]

17:24:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0415 = 0.2075 BTC [+]

17:24:56 fluffypony: but either way it still looks like it's better to keep the manufacturing here from a qualitative and cost perspective

17:25:31 bitcoinpete: and in sa you know the language and the culture

17:25:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07484982 = 0.4491 BTC [-] {4}

17:25:48 bitcoinpete: far easier to do business

17:26:07 fluffypony: yep

17:26:25 fluffypony: I have a friend who ran a successful Kickstarter a while back

17:26:38 fluffypony: when manufacturing crunch time came

17:26:49 fluffypony: the samples they were receiving from China were shit

17:27:04 fluffypony: he moved to Shenzen for 5 months to get the manufacturing sorted

17:27:39 fluffypony: *Shenzhen

17:27:57 fluffypony: which was basically horrible for him

17:28:09 bitcoinpete: well, the air

17:28:16 bitcoinpete: what was the kickstarter?

17:29:29 fluffypony: I'd rather not say to protect the guilty - he mismanaged stuff badly after that and the whole thing spiralled into recklessness and infamy

17:30:10 mod6: .d

17:30:26 mod6: ;;bc,stats

17:30:29 gribble: Current Blocks: 300889 | Current Difficulty: 8.8534163091278E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 302399 | Next Difficulty In: 1510 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9929982982.92 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.1599

17:30:48 thestringpuller: mod6: is like chetty now

17:30:49 thestringpuller: a ghost

17:30:59 bitcoinpete: mod6: gonna crush bastille day

17:31:27 thestringpuller: btw bitcoinpete what do you think of an update to the drama timeline? lolol

17:31:32 thestringpuller: total losses

17:31:34 thestringpuller: 25 million btc

17:32:30 mike_c: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves you still in Amsterdam? ping me sometime please.

17:32:31 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:32:41 jborkl: bitcoinpete , nice - I am trying to keep the data very small and as few requests as possible - under 200kb for a new visit and around 10 requests and a half second load time

17:33:18 bitcoinpete: mike_c: the foundation circus just started today, he's gotta be there

17:33:27 mike_c: ah

17:33:27 bitcoinpete: jborkl: nice

17:33:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.04191666 = 0.2515 BTC [+] {2}

17:33:48 mike_c: well hopefully he had enough brownies to make it through.

17:33:49 bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: that could definitely ruffle some feathers :D

17:33:51 mod6: oh July 14th. hmm, yeah maybe!?

17:34:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.40500383 BTC [-]

17:35:00 mod6: i was just thinking... 'remember when the diff was like 5mn'

17:35:10 kakobrekla: wtf this pingdom thing is scam

17:35:25 mod6: then it went down to like 1mn or something for a few weeks.

17:35:31 fluffypony: kakobrekla: which part, the downtime notification thing or the full page tester?

17:36:13 bitcoinpete: mod6: it'll come down to if we squeeze 4 or 5 more difficulty resets between now and then

17:36:17 kakobrekla: Your website is faster than 97% of all tested websites compared to 86% for bcoinnews.com , yet news get 99/100 and bitbet 83

17:37:06 mod6: those bets always seem to end up being a close one.

17:37:14 bitcoinpete: heh mpex got the same speed rating as my blog

17:37:30 kakobrekla: so who can beat bitbets 97% ?

17:37:37 mike_c: i love pingdom

17:37:40 bitcoinpete: i gotta jet. laterz

17:37:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07485 = 0.1497 BTC [+]

17:37:55 kakobrekla: i bet you cant do it with a static html!

17:38:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28723 @ 0.00099813 = 28.6693 BTC [+] {3}

17:39:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.40500396 = 1.215 BTC [+] {3}

17:40:49 kakobrekla: meh a 404 beats homepage

17:40:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.40500053 = 0.81 BTC [-] {2}

17:43:47 thestringpuller: kakobrekla: bitbet is static html?!?!?!?!?

17:43:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.40500021 = 0.81 BTC [-] {2}

17:44:51 mike_c: if you don't customize per-user why not do static html.

17:44:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.003988 = 0.1117 BTC [-]

17:44:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.4038 = 1.6152 BTC [-] {2}

17:45:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4002 BTC [-]

17:49:21 kakobrekla: yeah did that on stats, on bb is not really a problem

17:52:43 fluffypony: kakobrekla: speed != where it can improve

17:53:14 fluffypony: that score is about whether you're doing things like putting static objects on a different, cookieless subdomain to improve parallel requests

17:53:33 fluffypony: or whether you've reduced the number of CSS/JS external requests per page

17:53:41 kakobrekla: but i dun need to do dat if i already own 97% of the net

17:53:43 kakobrekla: so fuck you

17:53:47 fluffypony: exactly

17:53:53 fluffypony: so don't try beat their score:)

17:54:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03139999 = 0.157 BTC [+] {2}

17:54:08 kakobrekla: i wont

17:54:14 kakobrekla: ill rather change the logo.

18:03:09 fluffypony: !up ThickAsThieves

18:03:16 ThickAsThieves: Hi folks

18:03:20 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: how is the 'Dam?

18:03:27 ThickAsThieves: Nice

18:03:34 ThickAsThieves: I broke my laptop

18:03:46 ThickAsThieves: Well, i broke debian

18:04:01 fluffypony: :/

18:04:07 ThickAsThieves: Chrome was freezing so i went to uninstall it

18:04:22 ThickAsThieves: And i think i unistalled the whole os ui

18:04:35 ThickAsThieves: Im a noob

18:05:08 ThickAsThieves: Just got back from the opening conference mingle session

18:05:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.40026666 = 1.2008 BTC [+] {2}

18:05:23 ThickAsThieves: I made a couple vids for yall

18:05:48 ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin2014 Amsterdam walkthrough: http://youtu.be/iDQClrnOpFs

18:05:48 assbot: Bitcoin2014 Amsterdam walkthrough - YouTube

18:06:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4002 = 0.8004 BTC [-]

18:06:55 ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin2014 SWAG: http://youtu.be/6DssroXiYmg

18:06:55 assbot: Bitcoin2014 SWAG - YouTube

18:07:01 thestringpuller: oh. ThickAsThieves do we get to see all the money they are wasting?

18:07:13 thestringpuller: All hail Bitcoin Foundation and use of funds on swag ~_~

18:07:40 ThickAsThieves: Well its nothing notable

18:07:53 ThickAsThieves: I doubt they paid for any of it

18:07:59 ThickAsThieves: All sponsor swag

18:08:19 ThickAsThieves: Free drinks though

18:08:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4001 = 1.2003 BTC [-]

18:08:30 fluffypony: free booze is good booze

18:08:35 mike_c: lol. cointerra's booth is a scam :)

18:08:45 ThickAsThieves: Hehe

18:09:22 ThickAsThieves: There is also a 3rd floor

18:09:23 jborkl: http://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.bcoinnews.com/Yfhq03oi got a 99 on yslow also

18:09:25 assbot: Latest Performance Report for: http://www.bcoinnews.com/ | GTmetrix

18:09:32 ThickAsThieves: Wherr all the drinking was

18:09:41 fluffypony: lol

18:10:04 ThickAsThieves: Mike_c did u need me for something?

18:10:07 fluffypony: Need money to start a Bitcoin or Crypto-Currency business?"

18:10:11 fluffypony: dat signage

18:11:46 jborkl: cointerra - heh they have been having fire sales - all miners must go with a inflatable tube guy waving his arms

18:12:31 ThickAsThieves: My blogging efforts may not be very 'live'

18:12:43 ThickAsThieves: The wifi sux there

18:12:51 fluffypony: jborkl: well the table looks empty

18:12:54 fluffypony: so maybe people are buying them

18:12:56 ThickAsThieves: And typing on a tablet is shit

18:13:57 fluffypony: don't worry ThickAsThieves, you're doing the lord's work

18:13:57 ThickAsThieves: I think some vendors were absent tonight cuz it wasnt the real start

18:14:25 fluffypony: hah - itBit looks like the suits

18:14:31 ThickAsThieves: Mostly meant to drink and be made to feel inferior,

18:14:46 jborkl: well, I offered to buy some from stock for a discounted price, but only if I could pick them up- since they are in "stock" 15 minutes away. no response

18:14:52 ThickAsThieves: They interrupted the drinking halfway thru,

18:15:13 ThickAsThieves: To announce all the vips need to get on their vip cruise

18:15:19 fluffypony: lol

18:15:23 fluffypony: and BFL are there

18:15:30 ThickAsThieves: Yeah i saw josh

18:15:54 ThickAsThieves: Wasnt sure what to say atm

18:16:03 ThickAsThieves: Maybe ill bring up garr

18:16:17 kakobrekla: is he there?

18:16:21 ThickAsThieves: Yeah

18:16:27 kakobrekla: the balls.

18:16:31 ThickAsThieves: Wait

18:16:31 kakobrekla: on this dude.

18:16:31 fluffypony: for next year I'm buying you a camera with image stabilisation

18:16:42 ThickAsThieves: U meant garr?

18:16:48 kakobrekla: yea

18:16:51 ThickAsThieves: Josh is here

18:17:05 ThickAsThieves: Dunno what garr looks like

18:17:05 fluffypony: or a steadycam

18:17:22 ThickAsThieves: Fluffy i filmed on a whim

18:17:35 ThickAsThieves: Looking at it i went too fast and should have narrated

18:17:43 kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves you could bring up bitstamp trading fees scam

18:17:43 ThickAsThieves: And maybe interviewed

18:18:08 ThickAsThieves: Scuse me why are a scammer?

18:18:14 ThickAsThieves: Like that?

18:18:17 ThickAsThieves: Hehe

18:18:26 kakobrekla: that could work

18:18:51 ThickAsThieves: I didnt see any bitstampers yet

18:19:34 ThickAsThieves: I smoked a joint with some british finance dudes last night

18:19:42 ThickAsThieves: Not bitcoiners

18:19:56 ThickAsThieves: But they were fascinated to hear about it

18:20:42 ThickAsThieves: Today i met a spanish math guy that does finance

18:20:52 fluffypony: nice

18:21:03 ThickAsThieves: I told him to come here

18:21:51 ThickAsThieves: I shoulda put #bitcoin-assets on my name tag

18:22:07 fluffypony: lol

18:22:12 fluffypony: ok next year I'm going too

18:22:20 fluffypony: and we're printing bitcoin-assets t-shirts

18:22:27 ThickAsThieves: It kinda sucks being alone

18:22:42 ThickAsThieves: I dont even know 1 person really

18:22:50 fluffypony: yeah, if I'd planned it in advance I would've gone with you

18:23:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.42158435 = 2.1079 BTC [+] {4}

18:23:47 ThickAsThieves: I recognized the guy from that bitcoin shirt company

18:24:04 ThickAsThieves: The one that had a bitfunder ipo

18:24:20 ThickAsThieves: And helped funf satoshipoker

18:24:24 ThickAsThieves: Fund

18:24:35 rithm: i'll pay good bitcoin for a -assets tshirt

18:24:53 rithm: especially if it says "bitcoin-asshats" somehwere on it

18:25:35 fluffypony: speshul one just for you rithm

18:33:59 TomServo: !up ThickAsThieves

18:34:27 ThickAsThieves: I guess ima go paint the town

18:34:39 TomServo: Have fun, thanks for the infos

18:34:56 ThickAsThieves: Np

18:38:03 thestringpuller: LOL

18:38:07 thestringpuller: that would be a great game

18:38:15 thestringpuller: count the scams at the Bitcoin Foundation conference

18:38:32 thestringpuller: ISPY: Bitcoin Foundation Scam Edition

18:45:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.40100715 = 0.802 BTC [-] {2}

19:00:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19593 @ 0.00099546 = 19.504 BTC [-] {3}

19:01:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 23 @ 0.04195 = 0.9649 BTC [+] {2}

19:11:05 fluffypony: ;;later tell asciilifeform dat rfid: http://www.bishopfox.com/resources/tools/rfid-hacking/attack-tools/

19:11:06 assbot: Attack Tools | Bishop Fox

19:11:06 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:21:56 fluffypony: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/HPQva7Pq1GQv.jpg

19:22:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.05850606 = 0.234 BTC [-]

19:32:12 benkay: what bugs me about ssl is the conflation of "this server is authorized to handle requests from this domain" with encrypting the connection between server and client.

19:32:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 657 @ 0.00099234 = 0.652 BTC [-]

19:35:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4013 BTC [+]

19:40:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07496866 = 0.2249 BTC [+] {3}

19:41:39 mike_c: well you have to identify the server you are encryptingly communicating with, no?

19:42:20 benkay: i guess

19:42:36 fluffypony: "Welcome to Tistoni's BTC fund. This works by taking Bitcoins, converting them to fiat and investing them into low risk steady return investments which yield up to 10% net returns in a year. We invest into P2P crowdfunding projects on the internet using artificial intelligence technology and actively trade on a number of private markets. "

19:42:37 benkay: but how can you do that a priori without trusting someone idiotc?

19:43:02 fluffypony: it's got to be a joke

19:45:27 mike_c: benkay: cacert? trust a whole bunch of idiots?

19:45:41 fluffypony: "You can withdraw all your funds by sending less than 1 amount of Bitcoins to the same address. Please remember the Bitcoin address you use to deposit and withdraw funds as this is used to identify your account."

19:45:44 fluffypony: I can't

19:47:23 BingoBoingo: jborkl: Apparently I'm lagging http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/ejqKTo/http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com

19:47:23 assbot: Website speed test

19:47:44 mircea_popescu: motherfucker! who came up with the retarded idea of making shampoo bottle caps not straight

19:48:04 mircea_popescu: used to be one of my top ways to judge a girl : go to her bathroom, see if the shampoo is resting "upside down"

19:48:07 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: the French

19:48:12 mircea_popescu: if not, she's retarded.

19:48:25 benkay: mike_c: but chrome et al hate self-signed certs.

19:48:46 mircea_popescu: benkay and random numers.

19:48:48 mircea_popescu: !up toastee

19:49:20 mike_c: benkay: yes, but chrome is not a priori

19:49:32 mike_c: more a posteriori

19:49:52 mircea_popescu: a posterior, more like it.

19:50:32 benkay: there are two concerns is all i'm saying

19:50:36 benkay: "is this connection encrypted?"

19:50:44 benkay: "am i talking to the right person?"

19:50:52 mircea_popescu: 1 reduces to 2.

19:51:04 mircea_popescu: otherwise, THIS connection is encrypted.

19:51:32 mircea_popescu: just a lotta people happen to have the keys is all.

19:52:18 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I topped out at 97% as well.

19:52:29 benkay: i think i want a wot for server keys

19:52:42 mircea_popescu: Naphex was making sometring of that ilk.

19:52:51 benkay: a bunch of lists of dns records and the keys associated with each

19:53:47 benkay: i'm irritated that i gotta pay 85/year for wildcard ssl certs that normal browsers won't freak out about.

19:53:52 mircea_popescu: actually, namecoin was ALSO doing something kind-of similar, but not really.

19:54:01 benkay: was?

19:54:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20693 @ 0.00099609 = 20.6121 BTC [+]

19:54:11 mircea_popescu: well i dunno what it's doing nao.

19:54:20 mircea_popescu: Me : Bla bla bla diff bets bla bla bla evil socialists!

19:54:20 mircea_popescu: Redditor : Much simpler explanation : the proposition target was way off-market (100%). Nothing to be won by betting on the clear outcome.

19:54:20 mircea_popescu: Me : Only a noob could think this is an actual explanation. Most if not all diff propositions were upsets.

19:54:20 mircea_popescu: Redditor : Sorry to have burst your bubble.

19:54:33 mircea_popescu: HE has burst MY bubble. oh internets.

19:56:07 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Reddit has become the home of groupthink and retardation lately

19:56:12 fluffypony: even more so than usual

19:56:20 mircea_popescu: each new year.

19:56:44 fluffypony: dat eternal September

19:57:13 benkay: just look at the google results for [smelling burning rubber mysterious]

19:57:27 benkay: I HAS A BRAIN TUMOR O KRIST

20:02:39 toastee: mircea_popescu Can you add me to auto-voice?

20:02:53 mircea_popescu: http://www.alternet.org/weird-science-siberian-psychologists-caning-patients-buttocks-new-addiction-treatment

20:02:54 assbot: Weird Science: Siberian Psychologists Caning Patients "On the Buttocks" in New Addiction Treatment | Alternet

20:02:58 mircea_popescu: probably, but why should i ?

20:04:52 fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot toastee

20:04:53 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user toastee: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=toastee | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=toastee | Rated since: never

20:04:56 fluffypony: o well

20:05:35 toastee: i just wouldnt mind chatting in here

20:05:38 toastee: channel is +m

20:05:51 toastee: and you keep +v'ing me manually anyway lol

20:06:15 BingoBoingo: ;;ident toastee

20:06:15 gribble: Nick 'toastee', with hostmask 'toastee!toastee@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vjvfdwflctakzdyr', is not identified.

20:06:30 mircea_popescu: i only up yuou because i don't recall your name and figure maybe you have something to actually say

20:06:32 BingoBoingo: toastee: Well, there are ways of getting auto voive

20:06:37 mircea_popescu: so far this isn't proceeding well on either of the two scores.

20:07:17 toastee: just interested in the chan so i idle

20:07:19 toastee: that's all

20:07:33 BingoBoingo: idling is useful

20:07:42 mircea_popescu: np.

20:08:11 toastee: if there's some kind of ident or auth i have to do just tell me how lol

20:08:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00099208 = 12.1034 BTC [-] {2}

20:08:33 BingoBoingo: http://dougdemuro.jalopnik.com/ohio-issues-bright-yellow-license-plates-to-shame-dui-o-1576928319/+sarah-hedgecock

20:08:33 assbot: Ohio Issues Bright Yellow License Plates To Shame DUI Offenders

20:08:58 benkay: ;;google bitcoin-assets wot voice

20:08:59 gribble: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model - Cascadian Hacker: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html; #bitcoin-assets +m pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/; NEXT: 29-04-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2014

20:09:05 benkay: toastee: ^^

20:09:06 BingoBoingo: ;;google site:fraudsters.com #bitcoin-assets +m

20:09:07 gribble: #bitcoin-assets +m pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/; The elitism memory hole effect pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-elitism-memory-hole-effect/; A virtual socioeconomic problem pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-virtual-socioeconomic-problem/

20:09:22 toastee: gotcha

20:09:27 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnsrPF-CMAA74VL.jpg

20:09:55 mircea_popescu: so wasn't tat supposed to liveblog some lolfest or it hasn't started yet or what ?

20:10:12 mircea_popescu: did little miss boring get the best atm of the year award or whatever it was ?

20:11:19 mircea_popescu: o hai

20:11:22 mircea_popescu: !up Guest20412

20:13:09 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he made 2 videos

20:13:16 fluffypony: not much to see, just swag and the booths

20:13:19 mircea_popescu: for the love of christ

20:13:26 fluffypony: he says the Internet connection there is shitty

20:13:33 fluffypony: so won't be as live as he'd hoped

20:13:37 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i only coupla days ago found out what swag ACTUALLY means.

20:13:42 mircea_popescu: i always thought it synonymous to bling.

20:14:08 mircea_popescu: fluffypony hey, shitty interwebs but at least they paid for the airport to display related ads, right ?

20:14:11 mircea_popescu: #rightdirection.

20:15:07 BingoBoingo: Well, did they pay the airport's asking price without negotiation a'la Neo?

20:15:13 fluffypony: lol

20:15:27 fluffypony: buy...ALL of the ads!

20:15:32 benkay: "shit we all get"

20:15:46 mircea_popescu: lawl. greece introduced a 33% tax on all capital gains on greek bonds between 2012 and 2013.

20:15:48 mircea_popescu: retroactive

20:16:00 mircea_popescu: benkay yah, nao i know.

20:16:52 benkay: greek link, mircea_popescu ?

20:17:09 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/dan-bilzerians-lawyer-responds-to-the-porn-star-he-thre-1576855124

20:17:10 assbot: Dan Bilzerian's Lawyer Responds to the Porn Star He Threw off the Roof

20:17:53 mircea_popescu: benkay it's in a pwc report.

20:18:06 mircea_popescu: (ie, not directly linkable)

20:18:25 benkay: well shoot a brother a pdf then eh

20:19:15 mircea_popescu: nm, here it is

20:19:15 mircea_popescu: http://www.pwc.ch/news/en/12080/greece-capital-gains-tax-non-residents-gains-greek-bonds-immediate-action-required

20:19:16 assbot: Greece: capital gains tax for non-residents on gains from Greek bonds, immediate action required PwC | Schweiz

20:19:46 mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with these people, if you're gonna put it on the web anyway, why dick around with emails.

20:21:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0735134 = 1.2497 BTC [-] {4}

20:21:55 benkay: sweet deal.

20:22:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07331266 = 0.5865 BTC [-] {3}

20:22:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4110143 = 0.822 BTC [+]

20:22:35 benkay: "fuck you, international financiers. we didn't want your money anyways."

20:23:11 mircea_popescu: exactly.

20:23:19 mircea_popescu: o, you made money supporting us in our darkest hour ? well fuck you.

20:23:21 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bnr_p_iCAAEWAYM.jpg

20:28:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41101441 BTC [+]

20:30:10 mircea_popescu: "We have used PGP/GPG for long years before Bitcoin paper was written."

20:30:25 mircea_popescu: helpfully omits to link gpg key. likely does not even know what that is or why it'd be relevant.

20:30:31 mircea_popescu: forum self crits for >9k again

20:31:00 mike_c: ;;bc,stats

20:31:03 gribble: Current Blocks: 300905 | Current Difficulty: 8.8534163091278E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 302399 | Next Difficulty In: 1494 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9852124062.72 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.28048

20:31:21 mircea_popescu: it's not making 14bn is it.

20:31:29 mike_c: gribble's estimates seem off.

20:31:31 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: that guy is classic, he's out-trolling the trolls

20:31:38 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/

20:31:38 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day :: 30.09 B (73%) on Yes, 11.38 B (27%) on No | closing in 4 weeks 1 day| weight: 16`905 (100`000 to 1)

20:31:58 mircea_popescu: but there's just no way it makes 5.2bn gains in 2-3 periods.

20:32:22 mircea_popescu: actually it could be 5 i guess

20:32:41 mike_c: i think it'll be 4

20:33:03 mircea_popescu: it could be as low as 3 i guess.

20:34:02 mircea_popescu: %block

20:34:08 mircea_popescu: hm what was it again

20:34:11 mircea_popescu: %diff

20:34:13 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 152925.19 in 978 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -66.42

20:34:38 mircea_popescu: there's obviously a nonzero chance that bitcoin has a -50% diff event during its lifetime. i wonder if it'll also be during our lifetime.

20:35:19 BingoBoingo: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5163957&cid=47012267

20:35:20 assbot: Don't Be a Server Hugger! (Video) - Slashdot

20:35:21 mike_c: 4 12% bumps make it

20:35:54 mike_c: 3 16.5% bumps, 5 9.6% bumps

20:36:09 mircea_popescu: mike_c prev bump was 10%. and this does get increasingly hard as time goes by, too

20:36:28 mike_c: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty says next bump estimated at 14%

20:36:29 assbot: Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom

20:37:13 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete:

20:37:13 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: "compare it to the known losses of non scammor companies" <<ya, not sure if there are any of these around << you could count the 2012 mpex cdos i guess.

20:37:36 mircea_popescu: mike_c now we only need bitcoinagility, bitcoinstrength, bitcoinendurance and bitcoinintelligence

20:37:43 mircea_popescu: then we could make a party.

20:38:12 mike_c: hehe. need bitcoindexterity too

20:38:16 mike_c: ah, agility.

20:38:18 jborkl: Coinkite Taps Bitcoin Developer Peter Todd For Advisory Role <- is'nt that name kinda racist?

20:38:36 mircea_popescu: mike_c no because no rogue/thief class

20:38:50 mircea_popescu: jborkl todd ?!

20:39:12 jborkl: sorry I misread the name Coinkike

20:39:24 mircea_popescu: a lol

20:39:30 mircea_popescu: kointyke

20:40:32 mircea_popescu: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-27388104 << bank of india won't take free usd.

20:40:32 assbot: BBC News - The 10-year-old who offered money to India's central bank

20:41:34 jborkl: working on code is like playing grandtheft auto, hard to get anything done cause you get distracted break something and then run over a cop

20:41:48 jborkl: accomplishing nothing

20:41:51 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: I'd rather not say to protect the guilty - he mismanaged stuff badly after that and the whole thing spiralled into recklessness and infamy << the company you keep.

20:42:15 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: me and my dodgy friends!

20:42:31 fluffypony: tbh I haven't spoken to him in months, I should actually find out if he's still alive

20:43:19 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: Your website is faster than 97% of all tested websites compared to 86% for bcoinnews.com , yet news get 99/100 and bitbet 83 << because it's not scored by performance, it's scored by you doing what they want you to do.

20:43:24 mircea_popescu: like us academic achievement.

20:43:34 BingoBoingo: ^

20:45:05 mike_c: like all academic achivement.

20:45:24 mike_c: who gives you good grades for not doing what they want?

20:45:36 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: Chrome was freezing so i went to uninstall it and i think i unistalled the whole os ui << MP on ubuntu fresh install. "Why the shit does this have internet ? Take it out". Ubuntu proceeds to mark everything as "to be uninstalled", all the way up to the kernel. Why ? BECAUSE FUCKTARDS MARK EVERYTHING AS A DEPENDENCY.

20:45:57 mircea_popescu: mike_c me, possibly the only entity out there.

20:47:29 mircea_popescu: here's an anecdote : back when i was in school tho, we did this "thesis paper" each trimester, which accounted for half the grade, in select subjects.

20:48:05 mircea_popescu: we were superadvanced math class, and so the teacher getting bored of all the constant "but may we use CBS to prove this ?" "no" "Why the fuck not!"

20:48:36 mircea_popescu: came up with, you may use any lemma you can, if asked after the paper, demonstrate at the blackboard. but if you can't, you get an F no matter what's in yoru thesis. hoping to shut us up.

20:49:06 mircea_popescu: so that term I used a "all obtuse angles are straight angles" lemma. blazed through the geometry section with it.

20:50:13 mike_c: and demonstrated that how?

20:50:20 mircea_popescu: it had a troll proof which now i forget.

20:50:27 mircea_popescu: but i did get full mark on the paper.

20:50:28 mircea_popescu: "for ingenuity"

20:52:04 mircea_popescu: (for people readng at home, cbs = cauchy-buniakowski-schwartz, a major stepping stone in liniar algebra/analysis)

21:04:55 mircea_popescu: anyway, it's really difficult to take very intelligent people through a set itinerary. when challenged to prove cbs some other kid started with set theory.

21:05:09 mircea_popescu: half hour later he was just about done introducing monotony when the bell rang

21:05:16 mircea_popescu: the matter was never mentioned again.

21:11:18 mircea_popescu: rithm: i'll pay good bitcoin for a -assets tshirt << pinging nubbins ?

21:13:16 mircea_popescu: http://www.popehat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/STOPLIBELSLANDERINGOURDOCTORSYOU.pdf

21:13:23 mircea_popescu: liberslander!

21:13:32 jurov: ;;later tell nubbins chan clamors for -assets tshirt i recommend the disck surgery motive

21:13:32 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:14:03 mircea_popescu: Berkley ? who signs his letter "Dale D. Berkley, Ph.D., J.D."2 ? begins by pre-refuting his own point:

21:14:03 mircea_popescu: "Of course Dr. White did not in fact participate in the interview and Dr. Koob did not write the letter attributed to him."

21:14:03 mircea_popescu: When the target of satire complains that it is defamatory, the relevant question is whether the satire can reasonably be taken as a statement of fact about its subject. Dr. Berkley, by saying that "of course" the satirical articles do not reflect the actual words of the subjects, has just proclaimed that the satire he is complaining about cannot be taken as a statement of fact.

21:14:04 mircea_popescu: You paid taxes for that.

21:14:12 mike_c: there is no nubbins. only nubbins`

21:14:22 mircea_popescu: i do not know there is anyone more incompetent alive today than people posing as lawyers for the us federal bureaucracy.

21:14:33 jurov: ;;later tell nubbins` chan clamors for -assets tshirt i recommend the dick surgery motive

21:14:33 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:14:48 jurov: there is no god. only doge.

21:15:30 mircea_popescu: jurov btw it's "motif"

21:15:50 mircea_popescu: motive in english roughly works like casus in "casus belli"

21:16:07 jurov: that kinda fits too

21:16:12 mircea_popescu: lol

21:18:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1007 @ 0.00099235 = 0.9993 BTC [+]

21:19:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00099548 = 14.3349 BTC [+]

21:25:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 33 @ 0.04179847 = 1.3793 BTC [-] {4}

21:26:37 benkay: http://totalfratmove.com/dan-bilzerian-throws-hot-naked-girl-off-roof-by-the-vagina-she-almost-dies/

21:26:38 assbot: Total Frat Move | Dan Bilzerian Throws Hot, Naked Girl Off Roof By The Vagina, She Almost Dies

21:26:46 benkay: http://www.popehat.com/2014/05/15/that-claim-wont-fly/

21:26:48 assbot: That Claim Won't Fly | Popehat

21:27:10 mircea_popescu: lol

21:28:36 mircea_popescu: how the fuck is that thing "the hottest chick" anyone ever saw ?!

21:28:40 mircea_popescu: jezuz america...

21:29:29 benkay: http://janicexxx.tumblr.com/

21:29:30 assbot: Changes

21:29:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.07499448 = 2.1748 BTC [+] {4}

21:29:51 mircea_popescu: "She was lucky to get away with only a broken foot, but I guess that?s what happens when you don?t listen to something a millionaire tells you to do."

21:29:54 mircea_popescu: that part is spot on.

21:30:02 mircea_popescu: !up Regilio

21:30:11 mircea_popescu: guy tells you not to grab his shirt, you fuckin' don't grab his shirt.

21:31:02 mircea_popescu: benkay http://24.media.tumblr.com/3e1e9f64e7015b91f3103a5207615489/tumblr_n5l6dpZmuu1t1gjr6o1_1280.jpg << no but srsly. she's unhealthy.

21:31:30 benkay: https://twitter.com/thejanicexxx/status/466692977121701888/photo/1 yea srs

21:31:31 assbot: Life is ruff. http://t.co/5ASMEfo8jH

21:31:44 benkay: also lulzily twitter sez that's adult content

21:33:00 mircea_popescu: "Like your client, the facts of the claim won't, quite, fly."

21:33:01 mircea_popescu: ahaha

21:33:08 fluffypony: benkay: those are hotdogs, right?

21:33:20 fluffypony: http://hot-dog-legs.tumblr.com

21:33:21 assbot: Hot-Dog Legs

21:34:07 benkay: that's hilarious

21:34:26 mircea_popescu: benkay too many commas tho.

21:34:37 mircea_popescu: Much like your client, the facts of the claim won't quite fly.

21:35:39 benkay: "I'll let that sink in."

21:35:48 mircea_popescu: :D

21:35:55 benkay: how are these commas my problem?

21:36:01 mircea_popescu: not yours, his

21:36:12 benkay: it's that rhythmic punctuation.

21:36:21 BingoBoingo: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/14/05/15/2114255/apples-revenge-imessage-might-eat-your-texts-if-you-switch-to-android

21:36:22 assbot: Apple's Revenge: iMessage Might Eat Your Texts If You Switch To Android - Slashdot

21:36:28 benkay: apparently one is supposed to write the way one talks these days.

21:36:40 benkay: GOSH THEY FIXED THAT OKAY BINGOBOINGO

21:37:14 BingoBoingo: benkay: Apparently they haven't completely

21:37:19 mircea_popescu: they kinda fixed it

21:37:36 benkay: i'm already resigned to losing this number.

21:37:39 benkay: it's a crime.

21:37:43 BingoBoingo: The same way Ubuntu "fixed" web fonts

21:37:47 benkay: but i never owned the keys for it, so i guess i never really owned it.

21:39:31 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

21:39:33 mircea_popescu: ^

21:39:37 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 448.29, vol: 5697.55655741 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 440.536, vol: 4141.64959 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.72, vol: 1987.13722844 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 451.95, vol: 46.88061203 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 444.43734, vol: 1597.93080000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 449.58704, vol: 3.01796103 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 450.95479, vol: 50.48678245 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

21:39:39 BingoBoingo: ;;more

21:39:39 gribble: 445.252555233

21:39:47 mircea_popescu: phone numbers need to move on the gpg format.

21:39:58 benkay: "Mr Bilzerian will never, even permit the case to be resolved prior to the inevitable judgement in his favor."

21:40:32 BingoBoingo: The NSA just needs to open up their data dumps to the public. Just brand it socialized cloud storage, or UberPastebin.

21:42:16 mircea_popescu: benkay "we have more money than you, suck it."

21:42:47 jurov: BingoBoingo: they will be opened regardless. bits want to be free

21:43:41 mircea_popescu: no, it's not that bits want ot be free. it's that any sufficiently large bureaucracy wants to be fucked.

21:43:43 mircea_popescu: in the ass, if possible.

21:43:44 BingoBoingo: jurov: I just think it is the only way this "cloud" concept can be saved

21:46:17 benkay: can't save a concept

21:46:28 benkay: businesses don't need saving

21:47:20 mircea_popescu: !t m x.eur

21:47:20 assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00310599 / 0.00311106 / 0.0031169 (288 shares, 0.90 BTC), 7D: 0.00310046 / 0.00310484 / 0.0031169 (1257 shares, 3.90 BTC), 30D: 0.00294249 / 0.00317913 / 0.00328679 (2452 shares, 7.80 BTC)

21:47:33 mircea_popescu: sorta starting to move a little that thing ?

21:50:15 BingoBoingo: !t m f.mpif

21:50:16 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (471 shares, 0.10 BTC), 7D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (2111 shares, 0.46 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.00021509 / 0.00021725 (1054461 shares, 226.81 BTC)

21:50:42 BingoBoingo: %book

21:50:45 atcbot: 56k@238 7k@237 9k@235 | 5k@220 68k@200 4k@195

21:55:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12669 @ 0.00099639 = 12.6233 BTC [+]

22:02:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0419 = 0.2095 BTC [+]

22:05:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.04195 = 0.1259 BTC [+]

22:06:21 BingoBoingo: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/05/15/0417210/air-force-prepares-to-dismantle-haarp?utm_source=rss0.9mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed&sbsrc=science

22:06:23 assbot: Air Force Prepares to Dismantle HAARP - Slashdot

22:07:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00099402 = 5.2186 BTC [-] {2}

22:10:30 bitcoinpete: yello

22:10:59 fluffypony: green

22:11:09 bitcoinpete: ooo just noticed that benkay went on a blogging bender. nice

22:11:16 bitcoinpete: bloo

22:15:58 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell benkay "the developing world" is a hackneyed term. they're not developing into shit. nor is our progressive definition of the "developed world" anything more than a historical blip, an aberration. toss the dichotomy in the trash along with money laundering

22:15:58 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:18:14 bitcoinpete: and 20% tax on greek bond capital gains ain't that bad, shocking broken promise aside. 33% for legal entities is a swift kick to the nuts though

22:19:08 benkay: shoulda i put it in scare quotes?

22:19:15 bitcoinpete: where does greece get off thinking they can make their own decisions?

22:19:30 benkay: also w/r/t tax it's criminal. those bonds were tax free until now, i believe.

22:19:32 bitcoinpete: benkay: lol yes

22:19:48 benkay: i was relying on my readers to interpolate scare quotes.

22:20:10 bitcoinpete: don't lean on them too much now

22:20:18 bitcoinpete: and hey, nice bitbet ads

22:20:28 benkay: oh hey i capitalized it

22:20:34 benkay: that should be sarcasm cue enough

22:20:46 benkay: but ty, implementing.

22:21:12 bitcoinpete: caps isn't far enough

22:21:17 bitcoinpete: quotes or all caps

22:21:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00099164 = 16.4612 BTC [-] {2}

22:21:36 bitcoinpete: sorry, "capitalized" isn't far enough

22:21:43 benkay: dunzo.

22:21:51 benkay: yeh good pts.

22:22:54 bitcoinpete: it's kinda funny to see bitbet ads on ch

22:23:00 bitcoinpete: the only colour in the joint

22:23:12 benkay: it revolts me

22:23:16 benkay: but i didn't have to work for it

22:23:29 benkay: tradeoffs.

22:23:46 benkay: (revolts is perhaps too strong. much love to mike_c for the ads.)

22:24:07 kakobrekla: but much hate to kako

22:24:23 bitcoinpete: kolour me kako

22:24:36 bitcoinpete: benkay: you should have custom b&w ads

22:25:11 benkay: kakobrekla: bitbet looks great!

22:25:46 kakobrekla: depends on the screen quality

22:26:01 benkay: and how color blind one is

22:26:31 kakobrekla: yeah, maybe MP thinks he bet on NO on berkshire bet

22:27:53 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete ch ?

22:28:03 mircea_popescu: lh

22:28:15 mircea_popescu: oh oh benkay nao has his own acroname ?

22:28:28 bitcoinpete: he's earned it

22:28:36 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lawl

22:28:41 mircea_popescu: was green rihght ?

22:29:04 kakobrekla: green is no yes :)

22:29:13 benkay: hello this is no

22:29:36 bitcoinpete: i watched around the world in 80 days last night and i coulda sworn they used perimutuel betting

22:30:03 bitcoinpete: *pari-mutuel

22:30:31 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla your scam green looking red has made me bet on the wrong side. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT

22:30:56 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu http://fraudsters.com/2013/how-to-cancel-your-bitbet-bet/

22:30:57 assbot: How to cancel your BitBet bet. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:31:04 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete probably. it was quite popular for all of history, up until some american swindler noticed he can't really rob the punters blind with it.

22:31:17 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla OIC, bet 1984985734k btc on otherside

22:31:25 kakobrekla: mhm

22:31:39 mircea_popescu: HOW ABOUT I JUST MAKE FORUM ACCOUNTS

22:31:53 kakobrekla: lel

22:32:57 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/ObsoleteDogma/status/467005255042236416

22:32:58 assbot: Worse than a lost decade RT /CardiffGarcia: Japan post-'92 vs euro area post-'08: http://t.co/2sCJZOLGeH

22:40:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7787 @ 0.00099093 = 7.7164 BTC [-] {2}

22:45:39 jurov: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mrloganrhoades/38-yahoo-questions-that-will-destroy-your-faith-in-humanity

22:45:40 assbot: 38 Yahoo Questions That Will Destroy Your Faith In Humanity

22:45:54 jurov: i liked #4 .. but then #5 D:

22:48:12 bitcoinpete: #18: do you think nasa invented thunderstorms to cover up the sound of space battles?

22:48:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07489252 = 1.0485 BTC [-]

22:49:02 bitcoinpete: #23: how turn computer monitor into mirror? scanning a mirror doesn't work

22:49:04 bitcoinpete: lol

22:49:56 jurov: Why does my cat vibrate?

22:50:22 bitcoinpete: i think my cat ate my sex toy

22:50:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 59 @ 0.07692541 = 4.5386 BTC [+] {6}

22:52:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07799999 = 0.624 BTC [+] {2}

22:52:26 jurov: monica.txt :D

22:54:25 fluffypony: can there be anything worse than self-styled journalists

22:54:26 fluffypony: with a podcast

22:55:19 fluffypony: https://twitter.com/d_seaman/status/467036201061715968

22:55:20 assbot: Nautiluscoin is cool because it incorporates everything learned about crypto so far, and its helmed by a famous fund manager / CNBC pundit

22:55:28 fluffypony: https://twitter.com/d_seaman/status/467030928481853441

22:55:29 assbot: Nautiluscoin is a classy rebuttal to the people & institutions who said they cant use Bitcoin without knowing its creator.

22:55:36 fluffypony: please someone stab this guy in the face

22:56:27 fluffypony: https://twitter.com/d_seaman/status/466009831896141824

22:56:28 assbot: ~~every coffee shop in 2017~~ Bitcoin, Vertcoin, Myriad accepted here! (for credit cards, additional fees apply)"

22:56:30 bitcoinpete: seaman is a twat

22:56:47 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I have a special place in my heart filled with vile for him

22:57:01 bitcoinpete: ya he <3 vertcoin, maybe he can do promo for you?

22:57:11 bitcoinpete: for vertpay or w/e

22:57:20 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: we already pulled the entire thing because of him

22:57:31 fluffypony: well not entirely because of him

22:57:45 bitcoinpete: haha i wish it was because of him

22:57:47 fluffypony: Redditards did the groupthink thing and decided we were a scam

22:57:54 fluffypony: and Semen jumped on the bandwagon

22:58:05 benkay: wait vertpay is dead?

22:58:06 bitcoinpete: wait so now reddit calls scams?

22:58:10 benkay: hahaha

22:58:12 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: yep

22:58:16 benkay: no they kill legit operators

22:58:20 benkay: dat mob

22:58:27 fluffypony: benkay: yeah, we pulled it completely

22:58:34 fluffypony: going back to PayBee

22:58:46 bitcoinpete: dogepay is the future of redditards

22:59:15 fluffypony: I've been slowly putting some thoughts down and a timeline of how things went down as a blog post

22:59:19 fluffypony: it's not high priority

22:59:27 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2014#676326

22:59:28 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

22:59:31 fluffypony: but cathartic

22:59:46 bitcoinpete: blogging is certainly that

23:00:20 fluffypony: well the final straw for me was when some redditard said I control a sea of Reddit accounts

23:00:24 fluffypony: and I'm manipulating all the downvotes

23:00:30 fluffypony: because I'm a "seasoned scammer"

23:00:51 fluffypony: because of course nobody would downvote except the thousands of accounts under my helm

23:01:51 bitcoinpete: get that tinfoil

23:02:24 benkay: this is one of those "company you keep" situations.

23:03:06 fluffypony: benkay: from which perspective? (got 1am slow-brain atm)

23:03:06 bitcoinpete: but... "teh community"

23:03:39 benkay: if every altcoin is a scam

23:03:47 benkay: ...

23:04:03 fluffypony: ah yes

23:05:54 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: phone numbers need to move on the gpg format. << this, i'd like to see

23:14:42 mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski

23:15:10 mircea_popescu: <assbot> Nautiluscoin is cool because it incorporates everything learned about crypto so far, and its helmed by a famous fund manager / CNBC pundit << yeah, the max keiser string of scamcoins (keisercoin, auroracoin) all worked splendid.

23:15:13 mircea_popescu: defo needs more of the same.

23:17:15 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/d_seaman/status/467051286278725632

23:17:16 assbot: Nautiluscoin ends amateur hour for Scrypt coins.

23:17:25 bitcoinpete: he won't shut up

23:22:11 mircea_popescu: !up duduqa

23:22:48 mircea_popescu: fluffypony every god damned fucking noob does this. "oh, biggest ever" "let me tell you about my design"

23:22:54 mircea_popescu: insufficient humility in the english speaking space.

23:23:27 bitcoinpete: because the americans haven't produced anything for years

23:23:31 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: agreed - plus David Seaman is a special case

23:23:47 bitcoinpete: they're reduced to marketing and fiat finance. both of which are hot air

23:24:05 bitcoinpete: no one in the usa has been successful at anything other than talking in a generation

23:24:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00098935 = 15.6317 BTC [-] {2}

23:24:36 bitcoinpete: so they talk about shit like "With DigiShield, the difficulty is allowed to decrease in larger movements than it is allowed to increase from block to block. This keeps a blockchain from getting "stuck" i.e., not finding the next block for several hours following a major drop in the net hash of coin. It is all a balancing act. "

23:24:49 bitcoinpete: from the nautiluscoin site

23:25:20 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: I took a shit this morning...

23:26:25 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/d_seaman/status/467083442120040449

23:26:26 assbot: Nautiluscoin ends amateur hour for Scrypt coins.

23:26:32 fluffypony: lol

23:26:42 bitcoinpete: "I don’t justify myself to random people. You asked me a question. I answered it."

23:27:27 fluffypony: bitcoinpete

23:27:30 fluffypony: you're missing the point

23:27:34 fluffypony: it's a "TRUE PROFESSIONAL COIN"

23:27:39 fluffypony: David said so

23:28:16 bitcoinpete: jeebus

23:28:45 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> bitcoinpete: yep <<< uh that didn't take so long...

23:29:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.421 = 2.105 BTC [+]

23:30:38 mircea_popescu: !up lobbes

23:30:42 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, been quite bummed out / annoyed over the last few days because of the way things went down, but meh, over it now

23:31:55 mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> no one in the usa has been successful at anything other than talking in a generation << ouch. kinda unsettlingly truthy this

23:34:22 bitcoinpete: why ty

23:34:44 mircea_popescu: who is this seaman fellow anyway.

23:34:53 benkay: oi

23:34:54 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he's a REPORTER because he has a podcast

23:34:55 mircea_popescu: i can't find anything in particular. is he like boxxy w/o tits ?

23:35:02 benkay: i've successfully derped, youse guise.

23:36:08 mircea_popescu: benkay please do not condescend @me by using a gender pronoun!

23:37:43 bitcoinpete: http://davidseaman.com

23:37:46 assbot: David Seaman | Podcaster / Writer / Journalist

23:38:50 fluffypony: View count: 235

23:38:53 fluffypony: he should sell ad space

23:39:07 mircea_popescu: oh come on.

23:39:20 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSjLiQxEZlM

23:39:20 assbot: You can do Anything! - YouTube

23:39:36 mircea_popescu: "i posted a youtube and 1000 people have watched, so therefore i assume everyone has heard of me and admires my work"

23:39:38 bitcoinpete: he works for meagre, meagre tips

23:39:47 mircea_popescu: so then pay him.

23:39:56 mircea_popescu: how many trillions of his shitcoin does a btc buy ?

23:40:27 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: Total Received 0.32923659 BTC

23:40:47 fluffypony: plus he has to pay for dem LA lattes

23:42:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.42100222 = 2.526 BTC [+] {2}

23:46:58 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: well if he lived in the uk, seaman could replace lattes with netflix, just like momma cpi said

23:47:24 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/467084168862920705

23:47:25 assbot: Nautiluscoin ends amateur hour for Scrypt coins.

23:47:49 bitcoinpete: aaaand seaman quit the convo

23:47:57 bitcoinpete: fun while it lasted

23:48:02 fluffypony: Twitter ragequit?

23:48:04 fluffypony: :-P

23:50:06 bitcoinpete: lol i do what i can

23:50:26 bitcoinpete: also, spotted a beauty comment on one of seaman's youtube vids: "There is another channel with the same name, but its probably somebody copying the original to get views!"

23:50:42 bitcoinpete: on a video with 2200 views...

23:50:45 fluffypony: lol

23:51:42 fluffypony: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101573131

23:51:43 assbot: How I created my own bitcoin-like currencyFast MoneyCommentary

23:51:48 fluffypony: http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2014/04/09/101569917-BKdesk.530x298.jpg?v=1397073198

23:51:56 fluffypony: that's him creating Nautiluscoin

23:53:05 kakobrekla: where is the joke here?

23:54:23 fluffypony: kakobrekla: what we want...nay, what we NEED is a cryptocurrency created by a CNBC contributor

23:54:33 mike_c: with a fleece vest

23:54:52 fluffypony: especially one that has a stabilisation fund

23:55:32 kakobrekla: ok, cause i was looking at the multi monitor setup and going hmm why doesnt he turn the side ones towards him and i couldnt find the joke

23:56:17 fluffypony: "One percent of Nautiluscoin was pre-mined and will be used to capitalize the NSF."

23:57:18 bitcoinpete: another foundation!

23:57:30 bitcoinpete: o, fund

23:57:35 bitcoinpete: same shit

23:57:41 fluffypony: lol

23:57:56 kakobrekla: anyone made a foundation fund yet?

23:58:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 180 @ 0.00300018 = 0.54 BTC [-] {4}

23:58:34 fluffypony: oh ffs

23:58:47 fluffypony: I suggested on Reddit that someone turn their Reddit bet into a BitBet bet

23:58:50 fluffypony: now I'm getting spam

23:59:05 kakobrekla: where are you getting spam

23:59:12 fluffypony: "I noticed your reply to the price bottom bet thread, and I think you might be interested in our soft-launch of BetMoose.com."

23:59:19 fluffypony: kakobrekla: on Reddit

23:59:29 *: fluffypony x-posts to /r/reportthespammers

23:59:30 bitcoinpete: lol

23:59:53 kakobrekla: well, they do have css.