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00:11:13 mircea_popescu: fluffypony im not even sure, but i think 16 was back in the 90s before all the nonsense about fucking teenagers gripped the us

00:14:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00082664 = 14.8795 BTC [-]

00:16:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: moiety: i suspect that ocelot is quasi-tame (lives on the dock, fed fish?) << not that tame from what i hear

00:17:06 mircea_popescu: plenty of "owners" got bit / mauled. sorta like pitbull ** 2

00:19:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16084 @ 0.00082743 = 13.3084 BTC [+]

00:24:35 moiety: this had developed into a harder to determine label though hasnt it

00:24:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that particular beast

00:24:40 asciilifeform: (not the species)

00:25:06 moiety: hes no a beast, he wants clapped

00:25:13 mircea_popescu: lol

00:25:29 benkay: $vwap s.nsa

00:25:53 moiety: clapped = petted inscottish btw, sorry

00:25:59 benkay: <mircea_popescu> plenty of "owners" got bit / mauled. sorta like pitbull ** 2 // don't you start with this pernicious shit

00:26:34 mircea_popescu: benkay hm ?

00:26:48 chetty: cats in general are less predictable than dogs

00:26:58 moiety: it's the life if a bad rep... it doesnt mean you are bad, just thatpeople have said you have done bad things

00:27:03 moiety: benkay ^

00:27:06 benkay: pits are entirely great dogs.

00:27:07 mircea_popescu: empyex sick ?

00:27:20 benkay: $vwap s.mpoe

00:27:24 mircea_popescu: benkay that is besides the point. they are demanding dogs.

00:27:33 benkay: "demanding" what does this mean?

00:27:47 benkay: that one must actually train them?

00:27:59 moiety: has pooch got a pal yet benkay .. have you caved to puppy requests?

00:28:15 chetty: to properly own/train a pitbull takes more skill than say a poodle

00:28:36 asciilifeform: there's a school of thought that one should have a potentially man-eating pet, that way you know that it really likes you

00:28:36 benkay: moiety: the plan is to satisfy the baby crazy with...a baby.

00:28:39 asciilifeform: (or something like that)

00:28:58 moiety: my favourite dog no one had even heard of. i like the jp chin. they are like cats you know they dont bark. does this mean im a cat lady to the bone or accepting?

00:29:00 asciilifeform: (if not yet eaten)

00:29:15 mircea_popescu: <benkay> that one must actually train them? << yes.

00:29:16 moiety: benkay: woah for real?

00:29:22 mircea_popescu: all the time. not whenever they have the time or feel like it.

00:29:27 moiety: you know they talk back after X years right?

00:29:35 mircea_popescu: and training means a thing. not whatever some derp has the stomach for

00:29:44 mircea_popescu: but actually hitting them over the head

00:30:02 benkay: i've never shied from that.

00:30:08 mircea_popescu: that's you.

00:30:16 mircea_popescu: and maybe five other people in your town

00:30:26 benkay: de veras

00:30:34 mircea_popescu: so then. ocelot is even worse

00:30:41 mircea_popescu: it'll fucking love you if you're a better ocelot than it is

00:30:52 moiety: pits have erned themselves the rep of nanny dogs, why doesnt this get taken into account?

00:30:52 mircea_popescu: if you're an american it'll kill you in your sleep and feed on your entrails.

00:31:06 moiety: no

00:31:14 asciilifeform: there are tiger, lion tamers, in america

00:31:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and also chartered accountants.

00:31:23 asciilifeform: somewhere. (i recall one was eaten quite recently)

00:31:27 benkay: because americans don't think, they react to fear moiety.

00:31:28 justusranvier: Pits are extremely affectionate dogs towards humans. Some of them have been bred for dog aggression.

00:31:31 mircea_popescu: ;;google monty python chartered accountant lion tamer

00:31:32 gribble: Monty Python - Lion Tamer - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMOmB1q8W4Y; Chartered Accountant by Monty Python.mp4 - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azkFz1ZbXyU; Monty Python - Vocational Guidance Counsellor - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h-wVe9a6rQ

00:31:36 moiety: mircea_popescu: but but but ocelot, such eyes, boig blobs on ears

00:31:49 moiety: fuck did i just define rasicsm? sorry]

00:32:06 mircea_popescu: moiety you know, animal eyes are empty. the humanity you see in there is your own projection.

00:32:18 moiety: not define, exemplify*

00:32:33 moiety: mircea_popescu: how do you know they are empty?

00:32:46 benkay: the thing about pits is that they've got this long history of being bred to defend the family from things, where things can be everything from home invaders to bears on the plains during the trek to oregon

00:33:20 benkay: this rocket can put you in orbit or drop a warhead on your friend's face.

00:33:21 asciilifeform: moiety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCI80qmRbVs

00:33:21 assbot: - YouTube

00:33:22 mircea_popescu: moiety if you ever get to kill a bunch of people and a bunch of animals, you'll eventually notice the difference :)

00:34:10 asciilifeform: moiety: and, of course, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKDFLQMxmN4

00:34:10 assbot: - - YouTube

00:35:59 asciilifeform: translation: '... i know her weak points, and when she misbehaves, i know exactly where to smack...'

00:37:05 benkay: although re smacks mine responds most promptly to a squirt of water in the face.

00:37:50 benkay: <moiety> you know they talk back after X years right? // you should have heard the things as what came out of my mouth.

00:38:57 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: i would buy many write blocking devices if s.nsa offered them for sale <<< asciilifeform when are we making this man happy ?

00:39:09 mircea_popescu: $conference

00:39:10 moiety: asciilifeform: i cant understand this but tht cat ispretty huge! do you think tho that that's cat's general nature. they need, you give = omg you have a domestic - ish

00:39:21 mircea_popescu: FabianB this shit is so damned cool but why doesn't it work!!11

00:39:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'first you pillage, then you burn' or how did it go

00:39:46 mircea_popescu: lol

00:40:23 moiety: mircea_popescu: i got asked once if i wanted someone killed... it's a bigger question than you realise til you are asked

00:40:55 moiety: i say once i mean recently

00:41:23 mircea_popescu: lol what are you, the new sr madam ?

00:41:50 moiety: asciilifeform: on second vid... they are pretty big fullly grown! these guys dont mind having them in home, no bother

00:41:52 asciilifeform: moiety: the cat - siberian lynx. no tamer naturally than tiger. 2nd link, the man describes how he disciplines the animal

00:42:05 asciilifeform: exactly what mircea_popescu said

00:42:51 moiety: the ocelot doesnt seem bothered by the man at all

00:43:06 asciilifeform: moiety: 1st link - also siberian lynx. in moscow apartment.

00:44:37 moiety: it seems happy enough, i guess as it doesnt know any better

00:44:55 moiety: are you telling me if i gpt manul baby, it would be happy

00:45:05 asciilifeform: moiety: 2nd lynx was found in the wild as a kitten (hunters killed its mother)

00:45:45 moiety: omg thats so sad

00:46:11 moiety: ive been looking into these charity manul people and i dont trust them

00:47:56 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/#comment-101188

00:47:57 assbot: On The Superiority of Monarchy (or, adnotations to Why the Worst Get on Top) pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:47:58 moiety: such bonny coluring, folk just run in and steal them,exotic pets or fur trade gives a lot. urgh

00:48:05 mircea_popescu: people arguing with me, always a funny sight.

00:49:20 moiety: oooh new header again

00:50:59 moiety: i like this one, how often do they rotate? the last one eas really nice but didnt stay as long as monoply or have i lostt time via moving - entirely pribable

00:51:07 moiety: was*

00:51:21 moiety: *probable*

00:52:04 mircea_popescu: moiety normally they rotate quarterly, but i've done like 3 or 4 this past month cause why the hell not sorta thing

00:52:19 *: asciilifeform reports from the unintended-side-effects-of-new-tech-department: put on new set of noise-cancellers, can now hear my tongue move. disturbing.

00:52:59 moiety: mircea_popescu: prexactly, your blog, why not :D good on you!

00:53:52 moiety: nsa thanks you asciilifeform but they get bored of cats....i don't however, just so you know

00:55:20 moiety: don't mean to make all you al cringe but....

00:55:22 moiety: http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/14/size-does-matter-apparently-as-man-sues-hospital-for-shortening-his-penis-4761533/

00:55:23 assbot: Size does matter- man sues hospital for shortening his penis | Metro News

00:55:59 moiety: i think whats important to note here is his wife is a fucking cunt

00:56:41 mircea_popescu: uh why ?

00:57:37 asciilifeform: related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJE7uJyHJ3k

00:57:37 assbot: Monty Python - Ypres 1914, The Short Straw - YouTube

01:00:24 moiety: mircea_popescu: cus you should marry to stick by someone, not run off when they cant have sex for 24 months

01:00:30 moiety: (i think)

01:03:09 mircea_popescu: well maybe she married to be sticked by someone

01:04:16 Mats_cd03: i mean...thats a long time

01:11:05 moiety: personally, i feel it was a scapegoat situation

01:11:56 moiety: i feel like, she probably waycnted to leave following his paraplegia. I mean, why marry someone you would see it through with?

01:12:08 moiety: wanted*

01:12:23 moiety: wouldn't*

01:12:54 moiety: so sorry, i make little sense after wine

01:14:29 mircea_popescu: anyone of teh unvoiced looking to do a bit of coding ?

01:15:32 kakobrekla: (hint: they cant speak)

01:16:06 mircea_popescu: they can pm!

01:19:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02399874 = 0.192 BTC [+] {3}

01:23:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.07519678 = 2.1807 BTC [+] {3}

01:24:38 moiety: what kind of coding?

01:25:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07949933 = 1.1925 BTC [+] {2}

01:29:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07949999 = 0.159 BTC [-]

01:34:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00082664 = 8.3077 BTC [-]

01:35:41 mircea_popescu: so a man reads "But that particular December nothing positive had taken place, except for the Soviet-Chinese talks - though even they seemed to have got bogged down - and the seventieth birthday of the Leader of the Peoples. He could scarcely tell the Germans about the trial of Traicho Rostov, at which the whole blatant MISE-EN-SCENE had suddenly come unstuck in open court and the correspondents had been fobbed off, af

01:35:42 mircea_popescu: ter some delay, with a false confession allegedly written by Rostov in the death cell. This was too shameful, and it would hardly have served the purposes of reeducation." and then goes to search, curious what the internets know of rostov ?

01:35:50 mircea_popescu: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18140285 << apparently they know a whole lot.

01:35:51 assbot: 17 Dec 1949 - Drawbacks Of A Communist Career

01:38:41 mircea_popescu: the last paragraph is perhaps quite important, for all the "bitcoin entrepreneurs" so very eager to sign plea bargains. broz tito outlived stalin, and nearly outlived the soviets.

01:44:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0018498 = 0.185 BTC [-]

01:55:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22336 @ 0.00082664 = 18.4638 BTC [-]

01:57:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07324745 = 0.8057 BTC [-] {2}

01:58:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07323716 = 0.2197 BTC [-]

02:00:51 thestringpuller: %diff

02:00:53 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 439711.37 in 982 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -38.53

02:01:03 mircea_popescu: %b

02:01:06 mircea_popescu: %book

02:01:07 atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 0k@180 0k@176 0k@172

02:01:20 mircea_popescu: lol cool.

02:01:24 thestringpuller: no bid depth

02:01:40 thestringpuller: difficulty is kinda mad high on ATC must be some ASICs out there on the network

02:06:26 asciilifeform: 'Stop sending people to kill me. We've already captured five of them, one of them with a bomb and another with a rifle. If you don't stop sending killers, I'll send one to Moscow, and I won't have to send a second.'

02:06:38 asciilifeform: (famous letter from tito to stalin, found on the latter's desk after his death)

02:09:47 mircea_popescu: ayup.

02:11:04 mircea_popescu: im playing moscopol tangos in the crisp argentine air, and chasing their splendid ciruelas with my splendid imported plum juice

02:11:10 mircea_popescu: it's a sort of paradise.

02:13:19 mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform re zaraza : www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2Y8kylOsF0 (the original, uruguay)

02:13:48 asciilifeform: lol!

02:15:44 asciilifeform: interesting spoiler: http://www.tango-l.com/archives/Tango-L/msg03006.html

02:15:45 assbot: [TANGO-L] zaraza or Zaraza

02:16:11 mircea_popescu: (the uruguayan is SO MUCH BETTER too)

02:25:03 mircea_popescu: funnier still : "Buey zaraza, tus ojos tristones" in original. buey is commonly used in romanian today as a vocative address

02:25:08 mircea_popescu: (sort-of like "yo!")

02:25:58 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the term is actually... orcadian!

02:26:05 mircea_popescu: (where it means boy. spoken the same way)

02:28:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try this one on for size:

02:28:38 asciilifeform: 'the Western blok... preferred to view the Eastern European nations as victims of Soviet aggression, ignoring the simple and manly fact (that would have been instantly understood by a Roman) that Soviet legions, without anyone's help, took possession of Eastern Europe via force of arms, answering aggression with aggression. And the Roman would an absurdity - he could not comprehend, in the name of what so-called

02:28:38 asciilifeform: moral justice the legions ought to forsake the lands for which they had paid with their blood. Not only is the transference of conceptions of morality to the evaluation of historical events a phony method, but, if we recall, the moralists - the defeated European nations and the Americans, enemies of the USSR - that is to say, non-impartial moralists - their condemnations sound hollow indeed. The offenders, are,

02:28:38 asciilifeform: of course, unphased by this. We know now that their strategy of psychological war turned out to be a correct one... To establish the injustice, the 'meanness' of the enemy in a moralistic war is every bit as important as winning a pitched battle in a hot war.'

02:28:49 asciilifeform: from edward limonov, 'disciplinary sanitarium.'

02:28:52 asciilifeform: translation mine.

02:31:17 asciilifeform: much as it must've sucked to be on the receiving end of the beast - much of what people like to gripe about re: soviet ham-handedness was, as you might say, 'forced mistake.'

02:31:34 mircea_popescu: certainly a forced mistake.

02:31:58 mircea_popescu: but look at the matter : ever since napoleon implemented the idiotic idea that people generally should have a voice merely for having been born,

02:32:15 mircea_popescu: europe has had naught but turmoil. the russians ended up taking it in the ass twice for this reason, and painfully too.

02:32:26 asciilifeform: mr mold likes to crank it all the way back to... voltaire

02:32:27 mircea_popescu: that on the 2nd pass they eventually had enough and followed is reasonably understandable.

02:32:56 mircea_popescu: that the 1800s quaint concepts of the superiority of the west, naive faith in the benevolence of the european man, and his general humanity, all that germanophillia etc

02:33:21 mircea_popescu: turned by1950 into a quite paranoid "we'll never be safe ever unelss we control it all" is equally sensible in context

02:33:35 mircea_popescu: the problem is that russia never was and likely never will be actually up to the task.

02:33:42 mircea_popescu: so it's a bit of a drama.

02:34:09 asciilifeform: benevolence of the european man, and his general humanity << the funny part is that the russian left (pro-american. if you want to actually understand post-collapse ussr, gotta understand why left->pro-us) went right back to this spiel

02:34:18 mircea_popescu: it's not voltaire, it's the french retard club, montaigne, saint simon, rousseau etc.

02:34:20 asciilifeform: 'hyooman riiights!'

02:34:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they'll forever go to this spiel.

02:34:36 mircea_popescu: it's unavoidable. who else ?

02:34:46 asciilifeform: lelz

02:34:53 mircea_popescu: whether your father is a scientist or a drunk, or both,

02:35:01 mircea_popescu: as a six year old boy he's gonna be your father regardless.

02:37:28 mircea_popescu: meanwhile europe is going in it's second syphilitic-whore-with-a-gram-a-day-habit

02:37:46 mircea_popescu: such a thing kills everyone else, but it just goes to sleep and comes out virgin and 16 again.

02:39:02 mircea_popescu: (napoleon's "general's baton" bs is nothing but the reimplementation of the gracchi's reforms, 20 centuries prior)

02:39:03 *: asciilifeform no expert, but sees a europe that largely shot its wad in 1918

02:39:32 mircea_popescu: quite.

02:39:51 asciilifeform: so where's the 16-virgin ?

02:40:11 mircea_popescu: cluny

02:40:37 asciilifeform: lol!

02:41:44 mircea_popescu: no kidding.

02:42:40 mircea_popescu: it did all this before. better, even, arguably, since still no man was yet as rich as crassus.

02:46:00 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/S2Y8kylOsF0 < here's a good one

02:46:00 assbot: Ignacio Corsini - Zaraza (1929) - YouTube

02:46:04 mircea_popescu: damn

02:46:10 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE6-jlevnwQ that

02:46:10 assbot: Wiera Gran sings Russian tango - Ciemna noc (Temnaya Noch) - YouTube

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02:51:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.076 = 0.684 BTC [+]

02:52:44 benkay: tonights delicacies: lady-made gnocchi with bacon and sea scallops in a pecorino cream sauce

02:53:49 benkay: i was introduced to a novel 'paper' last night: CaCO3 quarry byproduct + resin.

02:54:10 benkay: "eat recycled food" etc etc

02:59:31 mircea_popescu: !up davidlatapie

03:00:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.024 = 0.144 BTC [+]

03:03:13 davidlatapie: Hi mircea_popescu how are you doing? I'm sorry I did not have much time to participate recently. Not that is it getting better :)

03:03:24 mircea_popescu: not bad

03:06:34 davidlatapie: Awaken at 5PM?

03:15:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.0008265 = 8.8436 BTC [-] {2}

03:23:30 moiety: http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/brevard-judge-accused-punching-public-defender/ngCGC/

03:23:31 assbot: Brevard judge tells attorney, 'I'll beat your ass,' allegedly... | www.wftv.com

03:27:14 benkay: "speedy trial" is a bit vauge.

03:31:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 57 @ 0.00380635 = 0.217 BTC [+]

03:41:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: napoleon's "general's baton" << i always understood that piece to speak of his favour for aristocracy 'of merit' vs of birth

03:43:14 asciilifeform: when things get wedged at 'of birth' that's really an invitation for a napoleon to come and, technical term, 'fuck shit up just because'

03:44:04 asciilifeform: and there'll be plenty of folks ready to help

03:46:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.078 = 0.312 BTC [-]

04:09:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07600636 = 0.7601 BTC [-] {2}

04:34:10 assbot: KRS1 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

04:35:38 benkay: !up KRS1

04:35:58 KRS1: thanks..i need level 2 for +v?

04:35:58 benkay: hey that's a neat way to advertise that you want yourself upped

04:36:02 benkay: yup

04:36:11 benkay: ;;gettrust krs1

04:36:11 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user krs1: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=krs1 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=krs1 | Rated since: never

04:36:24 KRS1: thought i just authenticated

04:36:37 benkay: ;;ident KRS1

04:36:37 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'KRS1', with hostmask 'KRS1!~chrix@c-50-143-86-143.hsd1.fl.comcast.net', is identified as user 'KRS', with GPG key id DDCA1AC02D73D555, key fingerprint AEDA19C1901B6FA0207B9620DDCA1AC02D73D555, and bitcoin address None

04:36:49 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot KRS

04:36:50 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask KRS1!~chrix@c-50-143-86-143.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user KRS: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=KRS | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=KRS | Rated since: never

04:37:05 benkay: try /nick KRS /msg assbot !up /nick KRS1

04:37:25 KRS1: damnit someone else is KRS

04:37:37 benkay: <benkay> hey that's a neat way to advertise that you want yourself upped // i suggested this ages ago and was shot down mercilessly.

04:38:04 benkay: talk to kakobrekla it's his ruleset

04:38:17 KRS1: ok thanks

04:41:31 moiety: krs1 have you tried releasing the nick in case they havent registered it?

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06:59:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00007784 = 0.1946 BTC [+]

07:02:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and there'll be plenty of folks ready to help << clearly.

07:02:52 mircea_popescu: the problem still remains, that merit isn't a thing.,

07:03:02 mircea_popescu: according to reddit, reddit's merituous.

07:18:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7363 @ 0.00007784 = 0.5731 BTC [+] {2}

07:46:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 114 @ 0.07601262 = 8.6654 BTC [+] {5}

09:06:15 FabianB: <+mircea_popescu> FabianB this shit is so damned cool but why doesn't it work!!11 <-- i guess i should ask kakobrekla to include empyex in the list of voiced bots

09:06:30 FabianB: !up empyex

09:07:20 FabianB: $vwap s.mpoe

09:07:21 empyex: FabianB: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00082206 high: 0.00082888 low: 0.00081496 volume: 575271 btc: 472.90917317 7 day: average: 0.00083822 high: 0.00086895 low: 0.00081496 volume: 6722160 btc: 5634.66906217 30 day: average: 0.00088219 high: 0.00099876 low: 0.00079351 volume: 25958166 btc: 22900.03155038

09:11:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00082835 = 13.1708 BTC [+] {2}

09:12:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0751 = 0.6759 BTC [-]

09:19:12 benkay: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309073.msg3315672#msg3315672 // but how are you going to get the pools to support a hard fork that would allow their participants to cheat?

09:19:12 assbot: A Non-Outsourceable Puzzle to Prevent Hosted Mining (and Mining Pools)

09:34:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00082704 = 15.2175 BTC [-] {3}

09:47:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.03 = 0.18 BTC [-]

09:48:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 65 @ 0.07361764 = 4.7851 BTC [-] {7}

10:05:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.02020013 = 0.1616 BTC [+] {2}

10:06:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00082555 = 7.5538 BTC [-] {2}

10:28:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00082464 = 19.379 BTC [-] {2}

10:43:50 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 59(Y):41(N) by coin, 60(Y):40(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.45879439 BTC. Current weight: 77,914.

10:51:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3036 @ 0.00082727 = 2.5116 BTC [+]

11:16:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 76 @ 0.002 = 0.152 BTC

11:22:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0752 = 0.1504 BTC [-]

11:27:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0752 = 0.1504 BTC [-]

11:30:04 thestringpuller: happy fathers day mircea_popescu

11:30:05 thestringpuller: jkjk

11:46:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0752 = 0.752 BTC [-] {2}

11:59:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00082737 = 14.8513 BTC [+] {2}

11:59:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0202 = 0.101 BTC [-]

12:08:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3443 @ 0.00082646 = 2.8455 BTC [-] {2}

12:22:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0018501 = 0.185 BTC [+]

12:31:42 davout: mircea_popescu: around?

12:49:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 59 @ 0.07543621 = 4.4507 BTC [+] {3}

12:49:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0295695 = 0.2957 BTC [-]

12:50:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2548 @ 0.00082623 = 2.1052 BTC [-]

12:51:35 kakobrekla: <benkay> <benkay> hey that's a neat way to advertise that you want yourself upped // i suggested this ages ago and was shot down mercilessly.

12:51:35 kakobrekla: <benkay> talk to kakobrekla it's his ruleset < only if you are in wot and authed but dont reach the levels.

12:51:46 kakobrekla: FabianB is it registered with nickserv?

12:52:07 kakobrekla: ops first paste went over 2 lines.

13:06:24 FabianB: kakobrekla: yes, it is

13:10:01 nubbins`: morning, folks

13:11:48 Mats_cd03: i forgot the private key associated with gribble :s

13:12:26 chetty: g'day nubbins`

13:13:11 FabianB: Mats_cd03: no second auth via btc address?

13:13:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12552 @ 0.00082179 = 10.3151 BTC [-]

13:14:16 Mats_cd03: no

13:14:17 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/gamer-dad-ranks-on-mashable-top-pops-list-for-donkey-kong-hack-1.2675866

13:14:18 assbot: Gamer dad ranks on Mashable 'top pops' list for Donkey Kong hack - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

13:14:35 nubbins`: Mats_cd03, you forgot your private key :0

13:14:42 *: nubbins` shakes head

13:16:37 FabianB: Mats_cd03: did you loose it or did you forget the passphrase?

13:16:56 Mats_cd03: ive forgotten the passphrase

13:17:21 Mats_cd03: i was stoned when i setup gpg :(

13:22:10 chetty: you didnt write it down on paper and store elsewhere either I guees :/

13:26:45 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3C1ENF.txt )

13:26:45 nubbins`: !b 4

13:27:07 nubbins`: dead link

13:27:22 nubbins`: there's a very high-looking woman sitting on my front step

13:27:32 nubbins`: she keeps holding her head

13:29:18 fluffypony: nubbins`: do you live in the Bronx of Canada?

13:29:44 chetty: give the poor woman some water

13:30:14 nubbins`: fluffypony, after a fashion

13:30:23 nubbins`: chetty, it'll just encourage her

13:30:33 nubbins`: although i'll probably spray her with some water if she doesn't move on soon

13:30:55 Mats_cd03: shake your walker at her too

13:31:00 nubbins`: heh

13:32:27 fluffypony: hah hah

13:38:34 nubbins`: oh fuck someone gave her a sandwich

13:38:42 nubbins`: WHY

13:39:39 kakobrekla: so much compassion :)

13:43:15 nubbins`: compassion == me letting her stay there thus far

13:54:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0018501 = 0.185 BTC [+]

13:58:08 assbot: KRS1 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

13:58:53 kakobrekla: !up KRS1

14:02:32 nubbins`: sweet, she moved on

14:03:31 assbot: KRS1 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

14:05:46 danielpbarron: !up KRS1

14:06:51 KRS1: thank anyway danielpbarron, apparently I'm not "elite" enough for this channel..and i don't want to waste any more of kakobrekla's precious fucking time.

14:07:26 kakobrekla: stop being retarded.

14:08:06 nubbins`: pull up a chair and stay a while

14:08:25 nubbins`: it's not like people won't !up you all day :D

14:08:26 chetty: having a gpg key and a wot rating is elite? who knew

14:08:40 nubbins`: chetty: it's not?! ;D

14:08:59 chetty: ../sarcasm

14:09:09 *: fluffypony polishes his elite GPG key

14:09:14 KRS1: Thanks but I can't nubbins, my wot rating isn't good enough to stay. Chetty: <assbot> You need a better WOT rating. (level 2 with assbot >0)

14:09:15 fluffypony: navy seals grade

14:09:37 nubbins`: now you're just being silly, you don't need a wot rating to stay

14:09:48 nubbins`: it just makes a couple things more convenient

14:10:13 chetty: !up KRS1

14:10:37 nubbins`: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=krs1

14:10:38 assbot: Rating Details for User 'krs1'

14:10:46 nubbins`: This user has not authenticated for more than 164 days :0

14:11:21 nubbins`: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=krs-1

14:11:21 assbot: Rating Details for User 'krs-1'

14:11:28 nubbins`: This user has not authenticated for more than 219 days :00000

14:14:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4635 @ 0.00007999 = 0.3708 BTC [+]

14:14:48 danielpbarron: KRS1, it looks to me like kakobrekla voice you first; I'm not sure why would would have a problem with him..

14:15:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26487 @ 0.00083111 = 22.0136 BTC [+] {2}

14:17:28 KRS1: danielpbarron: you are right..he did respond to me.

14:18:29 KRS1: guess it was the "way" he did it

14:18:52 KRS1: its cool tho..im gonna shuffle off now

14:19:36 fluffypony: shuffle off your mortal coil?

14:19:49 nubbins`: kako's pretty ornery

14:19:53 nubbins`: here's a recent pic of him: http://imgur.com/Ho4chGH

14:19:53 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:20:05 fluffypony: lol

14:20:16 nubbins`: you can't really tell, but he's wearing dockers and a leather belt

14:24:39 nubbins`: sup [\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]

14:24:47 nubbins`: !up [\\\]

14:24:50 nubbins`: !up arij

14:35:34 nubbins`: !up Dimsler

14:35:57 kakobrekla: yeah, i should get a pipe.

14:36:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.22754774 = 1.1377 BTC [-] {3}

14:40:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.22793133 = 0.6838 BTC [+] {2}

14:41:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.22963226 = 4.1334 BTC [+] {6}

14:43:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1213 @ 0.00083344 = 1.011 BTC [+]

14:43:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 89 @ 0.0018501 = 0.1647 BTC [+] {2}

14:43:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 54 @ 0.075 = 4.05 BTC [-] {2}

14:45:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0753 = 0.9036 BTC [+]

14:58:06 thestringpuller: !MPIF

14:58:18 thestringpuller: !mpif

14:58:19 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021658 BTC (Total: 433.17 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]

14:59:07 thestringpuller: nubbins`: around?

15:03:09 nubbins`: yep

15:06:26 thestringpuller: how much for the shirt now?

15:06:49 thestringpuller: ;;calc [ticker --last] * 2$

15:06:50 gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)

15:06:53 thestringpuller: ;;calc [ticker --last] * 25

15:06:54 gribble: 13997

15:07:14 thestringpuller: ;;calc 25 / [ticker --last]

15:07:15 gribble: 0.0446524255198

15:07:36 thestringpuller: nubbins`: ^--

15:10:29 nubbins`: ^

15:10:38 nubbins`: 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG

15:12:49 thestringpuller: kay one moment

15:14:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 755 @ 0.0018501 = 1.3968 BTC [+]

15:15:01 thestringpuller: sent

15:15:19 thestringpuller: OH CRAP

15:15:23 thestringpuller: there is no fee on it is there :(

15:15:33 thestringpuller: c6fa408cf3ace5839a367b678286cd0aab064ac6a8288bc80ed9acf4ae20aadc

15:16:04 thestringpuller: oh well nubbins` it'll get there evenutally

15:17:08 kakobrekla: learn to no fee

15:17:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10387 @ 0.00082996 = 8.6208 BTC [-]

15:18:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.0018501 = 0.1203 BTC [+]

15:22:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07529999 = 0.1506 BTC [-]

15:24:29 mircea_popescu: <FabianB> <+mircea_popescu> FabianB this shit is so damned cool but why doesn't it work!!11 <-- i guess i should ask kakobrekla to include empyex in the list of voiced bots << o ya kako please add empy

15:24:49 mircea_popescu: <davout> mircea_popescu: around? << aye

15:25:19 mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> no << you're fucked.

15:26:09 kakobrekla: yes i was on it but got distracted

15:26:14 kakobrekla: what is the bots name again

15:26:16 nubbins`: thestringpuller: no rush. pm your shipping info when ready

15:26:30 mircea_popescu: <chetty> having a gpg key and a wot rating is elite? who knew << damn straight.,

15:26:43 kakobrekla: ah empyex

15:26:50 kakobrekla: i suck reading

15:27:23 thestringpuller: http://www.designboom.com/competition/deutsche-bank-future-banking/

15:27:23 assbot: DEUTSCHE BANK - Future Banking

15:27:25 nubbins`: i was actually offered a consulting gig at a local credit union because of my wot rating

15:27:44 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust nubbins`

15:27:45 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nubbins`: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 6 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013

15:27:49 nubbins`: JUST KIDDING :D

15:28:04 kakobrekla: Naphex chanserv doesnt like you

15:29:18 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> here's a recent pic of him: http://imgur.com/Ho4chGH << actually he looks like that guy when he was 30ish :D

15:29:19 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

15:29:44 nubbins`: no joke, that pic came from a site called "gay gamer"

15:29:53 thestringpuller: oh nubbins` do you have a mockup of what it looks like with the #bitcoin-assets printed on it?

15:30:05 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> i was actually offered a consulting gig at a local credit union because of my wot rating << tru story ?

15:30:12 nubbins`: mp, all lies ;(

15:30:36 mircea_popescu: np, it shall be perpetuated as truth regardless.

15:30:41 nubbins`: thestringpuller: i forgot to take pix. same font, smaller, "irc.freenode.net" with "#bitcoin-assets" underneath, just below top collar

15:30:46 *: nubbins` nods

15:30:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07529999 = 0.6024 BTC [-]

15:30:57 thestringpuller: on back or front?

15:30:59 nubbins`: back

15:31:03 thestringpuller: nice

15:31:07 thestringpuller: hmm i like that

15:31:18 thestringpuller: i'll take the optinal channel label!

15:31:23 nubbins`: right on

15:31:48 *: mircea_popescu remembers when people were pissed off at hashking on the forum for stealing all their bitcoinz, and some forumer said he sounds like he's 14 and he sarcastically said o no he's 15. formonths afterwards ppl were like 15 yo stole our monyz!!11 in all seriousness.

15:32:16 nubbins`: heh

15:32:21 nubbins`: dangerous things, words

15:32:37 mircea_popescu: especially not mine.

15:32:48 nubbins`: thestringpuller: pm address and i'll get it printed & sent off within the next few days

15:33:00 nubbins`: oh and what size!

15:33:03 thestringpuller: kay. lets wait for 1 confirm first

15:33:05 thestringpuller: hmmm

15:33:09 thestringpuller: sizes always vary

15:33:13 nubbins`: standard gildan shirts

15:33:21 *: kakobrekla still thinks hashking was 13

15:33:26 thestringpuller: XD

15:33:27 mircea_popescu: i was thinking, "he'll have to think about that"

15:33:32 nubbins`: if you're not sure, opt for a larger size, they'll shrink a bit in the wash

15:33:42 thestringpuller: i'll do a large then

15:33:45 nubbins`: k

15:34:15 thestringpuller: the other shirts I had printed were medium in fruit of the loom, my lanky arms make it uncomfortable sometimes XD

15:34:15 mircea_popescu: hm, 16 core cpus are cool just because you get to watch the colored lines if you feel like it

15:34:26 nubbins`: FTL are a notoriously bad fit :D

15:36:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3687 @ 0.0008323 = 3.0687 BTC [+]

15:37:32 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla afaik he was some neighbour of gigavps' or some shit

15:37:59 kakobrekla: a.

15:45:27 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/L4gH8Eg.gif

15:49:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0753 = 0.4518 BTC [+]

15:49:47 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

15:49:48 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 555.88, Best ask: 557.65, Bid-ask spread: 1.77000, Last trade: 556.11, 24 hour volume: 13359.55845610, 24 hour low: 538.38, 24 hour high: 576.64, 24 hour vwap: 556.282040898

15:50:17 nubbins`: wow

15:55:58 FabianB: $unconfirmed

15:55:59 empyex: FabianB: 749

15:56:07 FabianB: thanks kakobrekla

15:56:09 thestringpuller: $depth MPIF

15:56:10 empyex: thestringpuller: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=eJBMcTug

15:56:26 mircea_popescu: nice

15:56:51 FabianB: $depth f.mpif

15:56:51 empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 100 @ 0.00021659 10000 @ 0.00021640 1000 @ 0.00021562 10000 @ 0.00021561

15:56:52 empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 500 @ 0.00021726 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000 10000 @ 0.00040000

15:57:13 mircea_popescu: quite.

15:57:58 FabianB: $conference

15:57:59 empyex: FabianB: Next conference starts in 10 months and 2 days. Estimated cost today: 2.36415088 BTC

15:58:01 FabianB: $avg

15:58:01 empyex: FabianB: 558.34

15:58:13 mircea_popescu: yay haha

15:58:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07500033 = 0.45 BTC [-] {2}

15:58:18 mircea_popescu: ;;rated FabianB

15:58:18 gribble: You rated user FabianB on Tue Mar 25 20:11:54 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Ruby pympex extension, some trades etc.

16:00:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.88642160 BTC to 8`820 shares, 21388 satoshi per share

16:06:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8013 @ 0.00083113 = 6.6598 BTC [-]

16:13:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.075 = 1.5 BTC [-] {2}

16:14:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [-]

16:20:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.02019999 = 0.1212 BTC [-] {2}

16:27:46 mircea_popescu: http://fr.anco.is/2014/06/15/x-eur-june-15th-2014-statement/

16:27:46 assbot: X.EUR June 15th 2014 statement | fr.anco.is

16:27:51 mircea_popescu: davout is nao reporting nicely.

16:28:00 mircea_popescu: pankkake addition to irker ?

16:30:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem still remains, that merit isn't a thing << now i'm curious

16:31:04 mircea_popescu: aha ?

16:31:56 asciilifeform: well, herr newton, etc. rising up from the ranks

16:32:40 mircea_popescu: so a bunch of spanish peasants burnt down mexico city.

16:32:48 mircea_popescu: they... rose up from the ranks.

16:33:12 asciilifeform: lol

16:33:18 mircea_popescu: well ?

16:33:26 mircea_popescu: what's hernan cortes' merit ?

16:33:50 asciilifeform: point

16:33:56 *: asciilifeform still no confucian

16:34:08 mircea_popescu: merit only exists in a measuring context. the choice of a measuring context is political.

16:34:11 mircea_popescu: merit isn't a thing.

16:34:42 chetty: unless of course its yours

16:35:12 asciilifeform: btw, anyone following the discussion who is unfamiliar with 'simulated annealing' method of mathematical wizardry, should open a book and quickly become familiar

16:35:18 asciilifeform: it relates.

16:35:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://fr.anco.is/2014/06/15/x-eur-june-15th-2014-statement/

16:36:32 mircea_popescu: danke

16:36:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.0018501 = 0.111 BTC [+]

16:37:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the space isn't discrete tho.

16:37:30 asciilifeform: ?

16:37:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00203017 = 0.203 BTC [+] {4}

16:39:02 mircea_popescu: isn't this the probabilistic thing that finds the shortest path going through one city or we ?

16:39:10 asciilifeform: more general than this

16:39:37 mircea_popescu: ok, let's rephrase

16:39:37 asciilifeform: picture a toy plastic 'landscape' with hills and valleys, and a couple of ball bearings

16:39:44 asciilifeform: you want to find the valleys. so you shake it.

16:39:53 asciilifeform: the ball bearings will, ideally, end up in the valleys

16:40:03 asciilifeform: but may very well get stuck in 'local minima'

16:40:14 asciilifeform: so the question becomes, how vigorously to shake.

16:40:16 mircea_popescu: the domains are not discrete ; the functions defined on them are not monotonous nor even differentiable.

16:40:47 mircea_popescu: the problem of merit is not analysable.

16:41:03 mircea_popescu: i suppose that's a much better statement than "merit isn't a thing"

16:41:07 asciilifeform: it's analysable in degenerate cases

16:41:16 mircea_popescu: degenerate cases aren't part of it.

16:41:23 asciilifeform: e.g. we don't know the ideal temperature for a living planet, but we can be pretty sure it isn't 10K

16:41:39 mircea_popescu: this is part of the non-differentiability, it does not contain its degenerate cases.

16:41:44 asciilifeform: (or 5000K)

16:41:55 mircea_popescu: right. which were never part of the discussion of the ideal temperature anyway

16:42:11 mircea_popescu: basically, this is a magical set that never includes its margins

16:42:16 mircea_popescu: no matter how they may be defined

16:42:26 mircea_popescu: and while it includes a subset, and all its members,

16:42:29 asciilifeform: i'd say, if mr. newton can't do his thing because the city burns every tuesday, we're at '5000k'

16:42:33 mircea_popescu: it doesn't include the margins of any subset

16:42:54 asciilifeform: if he can't do his thing because he's worn a zombie collar from birth and knows his place in the uranium mines, we're at 10.

16:44:03 mircea_popescu: which i suppose is a very good formalisation of what i mean by "not analysable" : imagine a set of numbers which includes an order property, but excludes the highest and lowest member in any subset.

16:44:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i know exactly what mathematical contrievance you have in mind, just not convinced that it applies here

16:45:25 mircea_popescu: well if you were what'd we talk about :)

16:45:31 asciilifeform: lel

16:45:34 mircea_popescu: i'd be stuck getting back to this blogpost which is already too big anyway

16:46:13 thestringpuller: oooh more fraudsters to read

16:46:24 thestringpuller: fraudsters us father's day edition (jk)

16:47:02 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i only fuck whores anyway. they're no longer fertile on the grounds of all the countless abortions back when they were 16.

16:47:05 mircea_popescu: (jk)

16:47:30 thestringpuller: for some reason I don't think you're kidding :D

16:47:58 thestringpuller: since that seems to be the case, they try to plan a pregnancy for once then the OBGYN asks, "Well how many abortions have you had?"

16:48:23 thestringpuller: "Maybe motherhood isn't for you...have you considered adoption?"

16:48:39 asciilifeform: uterus odometer?

16:48:56 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0EW7X9.txt )

16:48:56 thestringpuller: !b 1

16:50:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 12 @ 0.08 = 0.96 BTC [-]

16:50:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.075 = 0.225 BTC [-]

17:01:03 chetty: http://news.yahoo.com/french-pm-warns-disgruntled-socialists-could-disappear-165303556.html;_ylt=AwrBEiKVf5xTez8Ao1HQtDMD

17:01:05 assbot: French PM warns disgruntled Socialists they could "disappear" - Yahoo News

17:01:10 []bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/944/

17:06:58 mircea_popescu: they should be happy to merely disappear

17:07:15 mircea_popescu: the actual risk is that they're getting rounded up and sent to extermination labour camps.

17:07:42 asciilifeform: isn't that what is traditionally meant in this context for 'disappear' ?

17:08:00 asciilifeform: desaparecido.

17:09:44 mircea_popescu: i doubt very much he meant that.

17:10:11 mircea_popescu: for that matter, the gulag shall be quite public. webcams everywhere, with ample explanation as to what the criminal did.

17:10:30 asciilifeform: 'would you, could you, in the zoo?'

17:10:47 mircea_popescu: there should be a term, incidentally.

17:10:53 asciilifeform: zoolag.

17:11:35 mircea_popescu: how do you say fascists in russian, except to denote not the folk that derped with hitler but the folk that dared propose the solutions to human problems are to be expected from groups rather than individuals ? and in english.

17:11:51 []bot: Bet created: "Li Na wins Wimbledon" http://bitbet.us/bet/945/

17:13:01 chetty: usually its the socialists and their various cousins that do the 'camps' thing. Can you think of a historical time they got the bad end of that deal?

17:13:10 asciilifeform: spain?

17:13:42 mircea_popescu: plenty of them.

17:13:48 mircea_popescu: it all starts in rome.

17:13:49 asciilifeform: (or at least the spain pictured in 'homage to catalonia')

17:14:17 mircea_popescu: feeding the christians to the lions was perhaps insufficient, but nevertheless in the right vein.

17:14:41 asciilifeform: we're rather long on christians and short on lions.

17:14:57 mircea_popescu: the death of sir thomas moore, a fine example.

17:16:05 *: asciilifeform can think of plenty of good candidates for zoolag

17:16:17 mircea_popescu: i bet you you can't.

17:16:31 mircea_popescu: stalin managed what, ten million out of fifty ?

17:16:41 asciilifeform: well, depends on what's a good candidate. does the exhibit need to be pretty to look at ?

17:16:48 mircea_popescu: you need tocome up with about 200 million names.

17:17:12 asciilifeform: let them recommend each other. like the social network derpatrons.

17:17:29 mircea_popescu: which is really not hard to do, take everyone that was involved in any manner in the government of an european or north american country past 1940

17:17:30 asciilifeform: in fact, this is sorta how the 'prior art' worked.

17:17:33 mircea_popescu: and their families

17:17:42 mircea_popescu: indeed so.

17:18:04 mircea_popescu: problem is, even if you put obama on the glory chair, he might not be able to remember who the fuck was in his cabinet

17:18:29 chetty: <mircea_popescu> which is really not hard to do, take everyone that was involved in any manner in the government of an european or north american country past 1940/uhg

17:18:56 mircea_popescu: chetty well what, you expect to make omlette without breaking out some soviets ?

17:19:40 chetty: no, but I ain't volunteering to march off to zoolag either

17:20:14 asciilifeform: problem, as seen in soviet example, is that you eventually run out of 'class enemies' and the meat grinder is still standing, well-oiled. then you have korolev doing time

17:21:00 asciilifeform: incidentally, stalin's '30s purges are almost universally misinterpreted. he was trying to close down the meatgrinder.

17:21:14 asciilifeform: by butchering the staff

17:21:15 chetty: absolutely, the meatgrinder is a bureaucracy like any other, and they don't die easy

17:21:16 asciilifeform: (didn't work)

17:21:18 mircea_popescu: in general, in pursuit of an idea the bone gets picked rather closely of meat.

17:21:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform someone needs to write an actual biography of stalin sometime.

17:21:50 asciilifeform: give it another century.

17:21:57 asciilifeform: 'Great Chiefs of the Iron Age'

17:21:59 mircea_popescu: all extant ones that i know of are written by dumbstruck idiots who think the man was somehow grand

17:22:06 mircea_popescu: the man was not grand in any sense. he was merelysimple.

17:22:15 mircea_popescu: the mental model for stalin is roughly speaking a 15 yo country boy.

17:23:02 asciilifeform: ;;google "great chiefs of the iron age"

17:23:03 gribble: Tribal chief - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_chief; CHAPTER 10: LATER IRON AGE STATES AND ... - Palgrave: http://www.palgrave.com/history/shillington/students/keypoints/chapter10.doc; Ancient Egyptian raw materials: metals - copper, bronze, iron, gold ...: http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/trades/metals.htm

17:23:05 mircea_popescu: somehow ends up in the laboratory of power, obviously he pushes that ftizic trotsky aside. why not ?

17:23:06 asciilifeform: fail

17:23:19 mircea_popescu: and then, kinda is constantly scared by and trying to escape his own creations

17:24:22 asciilifeform: phun phact. russian truck drivers had portraits of stalin in their windshields (facing out.) possibly even now.

17:25:04 asciilifeform: to the folks who didn't get dinged, he stood for... order. the empire having its shit together in some form. etc

17:25:32 mircea_popescu: yup

17:25:48 asciilifeform: 'Whether because of its historical traditions or for some other reason, the idea of self-government, of equality before the law and of personal freedom--and the responsibility that goes with these--are almost completely incomprehensible to the Russian people...To the majority of the people the very word 'freedom' is synonymous with 'disorder' or the opportunity to indulge with impunity in some kind of antisocial

17:25:48 asciilifeform: or dangerous activity.'

17:26:06 mircea_popescu: the empire wanted (correctly) its sovereignity invested properly

17:26:08 mircea_popescu: and so it was.

17:26:10 asciilifeform: (amalrik, 'Will the Soviet Union Survive 1984')

17:26:49 mircea_popescu: i vote for "other reason" : because it's fucking dumb, that's why.

17:26:59 mircea_popescu: not only does it not work, but it provably can not work.

17:26:59 asciilifeform: aye

17:27:10 asciilifeform: the supposed 'savages' get it.

17:27:17 asciilifeform: and the 'civilized man' - not so much.

17:27:18 mircea_popescu: as is generally the case.

17:27:35 mircea_popescu: one does not bother to call another barbar unless the another said something that really scared our one.

17:27:44 mircea_popescu: and you don't get scared by imagination.

17:27:53 asciilifeform: civilized man has to overcome his OD on coke, or reddit, or whatever, to make the jump.

17:28:02 mircea_popescu: nature makes no jumps.

17:28:27 mircea_popescu: civilised man shall have his dawn, and a proper burial.

17:28:55 kakobrekla: !up ronkrt

17:33:20 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/944/ Odds: 93(Y):7(N) by coin, 93(Y):7(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,929.

17:34:49 asciilifeform: http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/oadam/33724550/105705/105705_original.gif

17:36:30 asciilifeform: http://img11.nnm.me/1/f/7/7/1/38cec3b3fd4898c951e2ee8b9ea_prev.jpg

17:36:49 asciilifeform: ^ translation: 'this is comrade stalin. you must know because of whom you still live.'

17:37:55 mircea_popescu: they had the same of nicholas

17:38:23 asciilifeform: until he pissed away the realm

17:40:11 mircea_popescu: i blame his cousin or what was it

17:40:23 mircea_popescu: the general of moscow

17:41:11 chetty: MP makes me sad, I can see the truth of much but it is hard to swallow happily, and that I guess is what drives the libs in the end. Truth hurts

17:45:51 mircea_popescu: !up olliec

17:50:51 chetty: "Some babies (aka fetuses) get their brains sucked out at birth. Others (aka Fulbights) get their brains sucked out at Berkely." (anonymous)

17:51:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0753 = 1.0542 BTC [+]

18:09:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.075 = 1.125 BTC [-] {2}

18:09:58 mircea_popescu: lol

18:17:14 asciilifeform: chetty: mp is rather like a surgeon - if surgeon could cry, he could not work - somethinglikethat

18:25:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.0008333 = 18.1659 BTC [+] {3}

18:25:19 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is there a zero asset corporstion blog post?

18:25:41 mircea_popescu: no.

18:25:48 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com the zero asset corporation

18:25:49 gribble: Accounting for the nonzero asset corporation. The MPEx standard ...: http://fraudsters.com/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard; BitBet, May 2014 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitbet-may-2014-statement/; The list of discontinued assets on MPEx pe fraudsters - Un blog de ...: http://fraudsters.com/the-list-of- (1 more message)

18:25:54 thestringpuller: :(

18:25:58 thestringpuller: more

18:26:05 thestringpuller: ;;more

18:26:05 gribble: discontinued-assets-on-mpex>

18:31:14 benkay: ;;later tell vexual yes that's interesting zone right there hmu

18:31:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:37:03 benkay: <kakobrekla> <benkay> talk to kakobrekla it's his ruleset < only if you are in wot and authed but dont reach the levels. < grand refinement

18:44:55 kakobrekla: is that supposed to be sarcastic?

18:45:09 Apocalyptic: hard to tell

18:46:59 kakobrekla: dunno maybe he is 13 too.

18:52:17 benkay: * fluffypony polishes his elite GPG key // so leet

18:53:29 benkay: Mats_cd03: and you were recently giving me a hard time about crypto. mhmmmmmmmm.

19:13:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.0747627 = 2.9157 BTC [-] {3}

19:21:19 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/vreau-sa-mi-spui-frumoasa-zaraza/

19:38:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2828 @ 0.00082927 = 2.3452 BTC [-]

20:03:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 447 @ 0.023 = 10.281 BTC [-] {2}

20:05:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 133 @ 0.023 = 3.059 BTC [-]

20:06:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 200 @ 0.04405928 = 8.8119 BTC [-]

20:07:05 FabianB: $help

20:07:05 empyex: FabianB: Commands: '$avg' '$conference' '$depth' '$depth <mpsic>' '$email' '$help' '$moo' '$mpexlag' '$post <pastebin-url-with-signcrypted-mpex-command>' '$proxies' '$unconfirmed' '$vwap' '$vwap <mpsic>'

20:07:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 200 @ 0.023 = 4.6 BTC [-]

20:17:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07357817 = 0.7358 BTC [-] {2}

20:20:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0735789 = 0.8094 BTC [+] {2}

20:23:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.074 = 1.036 BTC [+] {2}

20:26:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00082801 = 24.0951 BTC [-] {4}

20:35:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00082608 = 4.0065 BTC [-]

20:48:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 153 @ 0.02099346 = 3.212 BTC [+] {4}

21:06:18 BingoBoingo: %ticker

21:06:21 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 180 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 235 VWAP: 235

21:13:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 70 @ 0.04405928 = 3.0841 BTC [-]

21:26:49 artifexd: I now understand mp's desire to limit []bot's reports in here to bets >= 1BTC. There have been a lot of bets lately. It would have made for a lot of noise in here.

21:32:02 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

21:32:05 gribble: Current Blocks: 306006 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 425 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13029789422.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.83002

21:35:02 benkay: considered reporting when a bet total ratchets past integer btc at stake? in the same vein as the ticker bots accumulating trades under 1B

21:36:17 []bot: Bet placed: 1.96067479 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/944/ Odds: 30(Y):70(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.43833639 BTC. Current weight: 99,389.

21:40:08 artifexd: benkay: Bets within a certain period of time or in total?

21:41:05 benkay: in total, I was thinking.

21:41:18 benkay: there may be better approaches, artifexd

21:42:29 artifexd: Yeah. They don't happen often enough to consolidate, yet.

21:47:32 Mats_cd03: benkay: ncurses is p annoying i am reconsidering working on bit-c ;(

21:49:38 benkay: nooooo

21:50:05 benkay: ui in general is 10x more annoying than other things

21:50:59 punkman: I made my first curses app today

21:51:49 punkman: using this Urwid library, it's nice but not nice enough

21:51:58 punkman: there must be something better

22:01:31 benkay: if only there were a reactive ncurses thing

22:02:12 benkay: Mats_cd03: does bit-c have anything resembling a usable api?

22:04:02 Mats_cd03: no but parts of the jsonrpc code is written

22:07:07 Mats_cd03: wat is 'reactive'

22:07:26 Mats_cd03: is this some web4.0

22:26:56 bitcoinpete: dat hashrate

22:27:03 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/nB0rMkF.png

22:27:06 nubbins`: dat tux

22:27:13 bitcoinpete: >103 ph/s

22:27:40 bitcoinpete: tux =/ suit

22:27:50 nubbins`: i meant the magical type of tux

22:28:07 nubbins`: ;;gettrust bitcoinpete magicaltux

22:28:07 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user bitcoinpete to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -3 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=bitcoinpete&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010

22:29:47 bitcoinpete: nubbins`: eh i must've missed that in the logs… what's the story?

22:30:02 nubbins`: :(

22:30:05 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/944/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.58833639 BTC. Current weight: 99,270.

22:30:09 nubbins`: ;;google magicaltux

22:30:09 gribble: Mark Karpeles (MagicalTux) on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MagicalTux; MagicalTux (Mark Karpeles) · GitHub: https://github.com/MagicalTux; overview for MagicalTux - Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/user/MagicalTux

22:30:15 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust magicaltux

22:30:15 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -3 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010

22:30:38 bitcoinpete: ;;seen magicaltux

22:30:38 gribble: I have not seen magicaltux.

22:31:14 nubbins`: ;;google mark karpeles

22:31:15 gribble: Mark Karpelès - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Karpel%C3%A8s; Mark Karpeles (MagicalTux) on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MagicalTux; Mt Gox CEO Mark Karpeles 'Not Willing' To Go To America ...Yet ...: http://www.forbes.com/sites/leoking/2014/04/16/mt-gox-founder-mark-karpeles-not-willing-to-go-to-america-yet/

22:31:22 nubbins`: &c, &c

22:31:22 gribble: Error: "c," is not a valid command.

22:31:24 nubbins`: oh shush

22:32:05 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/MagicalTux/status/478121705391403008

22:32:07 assbot: Very nice sunset on Tokyo today http://t.co/3ygEIVkJwM

22:32:17 nubbins`: yeah

22:32:22 nubbins`: comments doubleplus good

22:32:22 fluffypony: VERY NICE

22:32:42 nubbins`: that's not actually the sun off in the distance

22:32:51 nubbins`: it's the smouldering rage of thousands of broke nerds

22:32:59 bitcoinpete: lol those comments… "fuck you fatass!"

22:33:57 bitcoinpete: it's the smouldering rage of thousands of broke doods who can't download and backup multibit

22:35:45 benkay: Mats_cd03: it's a mathematical formalism for talking about systems that evolve over time in response to inputs.

22:35:57 benkay: Mats_cd03: consider a program that's essentially a function of a time series of events

22:37:07 bitcoinpete: so the australian securities exchange has completely lost its marbles

22:37:18 bitcoinpete: "DigitalBTC, which began as a mining operation but also engages in bitcoin trading and is developing retail and consumer applications, debuted on the Australian Securities Exchange (ASX) this morning as Digital CC Limited (trading as digitalBTC) (ASX code: DCC)."

22:37:22 benkay: Mats_cd03: reactive:imperative::ragel:a pile of regexes

22:37:42 benkay: of course asciilifeform will tell me that someone came up with the notion in the fifties and everyone forgot all about it

22:37:57 bitcoinpete: "Legal requirements for the listing will make digitalBTC “the most transparent bitcoin company around”, according to a spokesperson." << and the biggest! fastest!

22:39:08 bitcoinpete: http://www.coindesk.com/digitalbtc-makes-history-australian-stock-market-debut/

22:39:08 assbot: DigitalBTC Makes History With Australian Stock Market Debut

22:39:57 kakobrekla: now i have a problem. how do i describe a thing that actually is biggest, first, best and so on.

22:41:45 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: with data, i suppose.

22:41:49 bitcoinpete: http://www.digitalbtc.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/March-2014-Quarterly-Update.pdf

22:42:13 bitcoinpete: digitalbtc lost $649k in the last 9 months. win!

22:42:57 bitcoinpete: thankfully, they made $1.6m from the share sale

22:45:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07453442 = 0.7453 BTC [-]

22:45:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00083202 = 2.7457 BTC [+]

22:46:24 nubbins`: phew

22:46:34 nubbins`: do that 9 more times and you've got $10mn

22:46:55 nubbins`: think of the respect that kind of coin would buy you

22:48:03 bitcoinpete: since they'll never get that $10m worth of coins, they gotta settle for dat ausbuck

22:50:03 bitcoinpete: argentina 1 - bosnia 0

22:50:09 bitcoinpete: at the half

22:50:15 *: mthreat watching it too

22:50:26 mthreat: i hear the neighbors make noise when they score

22:51:55 bitcoinpete: mthreat: where are you located again?

22:52:49 mthreat: buenos aires

22:53:14 mthreat: so when i say neighbors, I mean _all_ the neighbors

22:53:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00083202 = 7.405 BTC [+]

22:53:51 bitcoinpete: lol well ya

23:15:33 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

23:15:39 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 577.21, vol: 9761.74530252 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 582.001, vol: 6303.49953 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 584.0, vol: 14402.56292735 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 586.08, vol: 39.0372826 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 584.108, vol: 4206.21900000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 589.547, vol: 36.0798484 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 579.2524932, vol: 47.95354313 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

23:15:41 BingoBoingo: ;;more

23:15:41 gribble: 581.747656914

23:18:44 BingoBoingo: %book

23:18:46 atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 0k@180 0k@176 0k@172

23:21:51 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what happened to the MPOE may statement?

23:27:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00082914 = 13.515 BTC [-] {2}

23:32:58 benkay: thestringpuller: it's coming next month. see logs ;)

23:41:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07317701 = 2.5612 BTC [-] {7}

23:44:38 thestringpuller: benkay: thx found it

23:44:46 thestringpuller: didn't know though there'd be a fraudsters post

23:46:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.07036291 = 2.1109 BTC [-] {6}