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Transcript for 15-06-2015, 670 lines:

00:08:52 funkenstein_: !up yhwh_

00:09:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73950 @ 0.00037707 = 27.8843 BTC [+] {4}

00:11:54 mircea_popescu: aaannnnd in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mabpbcSKvW1rem3mwo1_500.gif

00:11:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFmT6K )

00:24:04 *: jurov can't sleep, ended up reading shit like https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/bitcoin-religion-filip-martinka-

00:24:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFnwwZ )

00:24:43 ben_vulpes: https://www.lockpicksaustralia.com.au/lock-picking/legality/

00:24:46 assbot: Legality | Lock Picks Australia ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFnxB6 )

00:25:07 jurov: "Also, programmers can also attest to the fact that long-term coding is very much a tantric, mind-altering endeavor."

00:25:23 jurov: TANTRIC. ben_vulpes see?

00:25:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43150 @ 0.00038555 = 16.6365 BTC [+]

00:26:12 ben_vulpes: see what?

00:26:17 ben_vulpes: and source?

00:26:32 jurov: the last link i posted

00:27:29 jurov: and see what? that finding the right cdecls.h spot is in fact tantric exercise :)

00:28:16 jurov: "At this point we can consider... Scientology is a tax-exempt religion. Why not Bitcoin?" ahahaha never made the connection before

00:31:56 ben_vulpes: wow that's quite a wall of text

00:32:01 jurov: "...consider that Bitcoin has died 71 times, and therefore is continuously reborn in the psychic reality of the public."

00:32:11 jurov: dunno why I find it so funny

00:34:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00037124 = 18.4692 BTC [-]

00:35:59 jurov: maybe I should invite dude here to "inner cult" :D

00:36:20 ben_vulpes: i have a spare robe for him

00:36:28 ben_vulpes: it's a little stained tho

00:49:39 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/a/FhZRf

00:49:40 assbot: Brand-New Trinitron (circa 2000) - Unboxed in 2015. - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFoDwJ )

00:49:40 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:51:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35334 @ 0.00037124 = 13.1174 BTC [-]

00:53:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58950 @ 0.00037956 = 22.3751 BTC [+]

01:02:39 ben_vulpes: http://thatoregonlife.com/2015/06/oregon-man-gets-sentenced-to-3-years-in-jail-for-pumping-his-own-gas/

01:02:40 assbot: Oregon man gets sentenced to 3 years in jail for pumping his own gas ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFpspl )

01:03:44 asciilifeform: 'Shortly thereafter, officers who had been working undercover to catch citizens attempting to self-serve, swarmed in to arrest the mostly nude man ? but not before Mapes took down 3 of the 6 officers by himself.'

01:04:51 asciilifeform: hilarious gag

01:05:00 asciilifeform: now if only it happened.

01:10:08 BingoBoingo: Fupa Duped https://i.imgur.com/s4OD455.jpg

01:10:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFpWMi )

01:16:40 BingoBoingo: !up RUchamp

01:18:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00039426 = 20.0678 BTC [+] {4}

01:23:07 mats: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat

01:23:08 assbot: Wat — Destroy All Software Talks ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFqYrt )

01:24:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19791 @ 0.00040032 = 7.9227 BTC [+]

01:25:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3111 @ 0.00040387 = 1.2564 BTC [+]

01:41:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79700 @ 0.00040387 = 32.1884 BTC [+]

01:42:29 BingoBoingo: !Up gares_

01:45:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 74 @ 0.0139 = 1.0286 BTC [-] {2}

01:47:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6230 @ 0.00040387 = 2.5161 BTC [+]

01:48:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129686 @ 0.00040905 = 53.0481 BTC [+] {6}

02:08:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75250 @ 0.00042619 = 32.0708 BTC [+]

02:13:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101841 @ 0.00039785 = 40.5174 BTC [-] {3}

02:15:31 BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe

02:15:31 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00036741 / 0.00038996 / 0.00042619 (1520935 shares, 593.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00033981 / 0.00036473 / 0.00042619 (16484205 shares, 6,012.35 BTC), 30D: 0.00024411 / 0.00031819 / 0.00042619 (115683800 shares, 36,810.55 BTC)

02:19:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6435 @ 0.00038725 = 2.492 BTC [-]

02:21:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62369 @ 0.00038725 = 24.1524 BTC [-]

02:38:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13031 @ 0.0003987 = 5.1955 BTC [+]

02:40:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44693 @ 0.00039827 = 17.7999 BTC [-]

02:47:59 decimation: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-557568/I-love-girl--Im-control-boasts-fallen-child-genius.html < smart folks are maybe also not always wise?

02:48:00 assbot: 'I love being a call girl - I'm in control,' boasts fallen child genius | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1HHZ4at )

02:49:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99050 @ 0.00039386 = 39.0118 BTC [-]

02:52:20 mats: nothing wrong with being a call girl

03:04:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118350 @ 0.00039241 = 46.4417 BTC [-] {2}

03:11:12 decimation: not every call girl can do calculus, she needs to be given a better purpose

03:11:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27549 @ 0.00039827 = 10.9719 BTC [+]

03:12:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2615 @ 0.00041581 = 1.0873 BTC [+]

03:17:57 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1164012 < those are very fancy hats

03:17:57 assbot: Logged on 14-06-2015 17:42:25; mircea_popescu: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0d/57/bd/0d57bd3b61e45343644281ed7d1cca3f.jpg << this

03:18:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00041165 = 32.4586 BTC [-] {2}

03:24:29 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163996 < but what is the altnerative to the state?

03:24:29 assbot: Logged on 14-06-2015 17:31:18; mircea_popescu: moreover, there are hard to miss parallels between this entire "saving the state" interventionism of the us coallition

03:24:50 decimation: if there were an obvious alternative it probably would have happened already?

03:28:20 trinque: a WoT of a hundred million people, maybe

03:30:30 decimation: I guess. when your house is on fire are you gonna look through your rolodex?

03:30:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00041432 = 6.1527 BTC [+]

03:31:20 trinque: there are a number of ways to come at that particular problem

03:32:36 decimation: sure, but in the end they all involve a peice of actual real estate with an actual physical structure

03:35:27 trinque: couldn't we apply the same argument to plowing the roads, or other similar work?

03:35:51 trinque: in the absence of a central authority dictating that there shall be a fire dept, I wouldn't expect that the need to put out fires would vanish along with it

03:37:18 funkenstein_: where do you live that the state runs the fire dept?

03:37:49 decimation: not a literal us state here, state = government

03:37:57 trinque: ^

03:38:21 funkenstein_: well any business has its governing structure

03:39:50 funkenstein_: fire departments usually don't need to be able to counterfeit money

03:40:22 funkenstein_: non sequitur, sorry

03:42:34 funkenstein_: what is the alternative to slavery?

03:42:37 decimation: but someone has to claim the land, and people need a place to sleep

03:43:15 funkenstein_: what do you mean someone has to claim the land?

03:44:05 decimation: if the land is unclaimed, how do you build a house?

03:44:23 funkenstein_: with materials

03:44:25 trinque: owning something is having control over it

03:44:29 decimation: heh

03:44:49 trinque: it's not an abstract granted by an authority

03:45:02 decimation: trinque: yes, and the implication quickly becomes "I sit in my mud hut with my ak and you sit in yours"

03:45:12 decimation: if you need an army to do anything that is

03:45:14 trinque: we should define what we mean by state

03:45:30 funkenstein_: indeed

03:45:50 trinque: probably means something a bit more than "owns this dirt"

03:47:28 funkenstein_: there is the question of "who's your roof"

03:47:39 trinque: this monstrous, bureaucratic "modern state" which infiltrates every aspect of life is to whom I refer

03:49:00 trinque: decimation: or in other words... if only the fire dept was the most of our worries

03:49:17 trinque: I'd be happy to see it go if the rest were also in the bathwater

03:49:53 decimation: trinque: no doubt, I can imagine lots of other structures, but I just don't see how groups of people who need to do business together can get away from some kind of central coordinating mechanism for certain tasks

03:50:03 trinque: neither can I

03:50:05 decimation: note that this doesn't imply 'modern state' is the only possibly solution

03:50:35 trinque: perhaps something eventually emerges which is the aggregate of contracts within the WoT

03:50:48 decimation: but it seems to me that nearly all qualifying solutions meet some definition of 'state'

03:50:57 trinque: and in fact, built upon consent, it would have far greater legitimacy

03:51:29 funkenstein_: malcolm x says the state becomes necessary when one needs to separate those who have from those who have not

03:52:12 trinque: malcolm x was a reactionary with no proposal

03:52:37 trinque: cept what, islam?

03:52:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113100 @ 0.00038688 = 43.7561 BTC [-] {2}

03:53:10 funkenstein_: his proposal was that the bullet was more powerful than the ballot

03:53:25 trinque: thought of that all by himself, did he?

03:54:04 funkenstein_: that wasn't his claim

03:54:04 trinque: anyhow. it's true that anywhere humans gather and interact structures will emerge

03:54:54 funkenstein_: true indeed. people talk about "the government" as if that meant something specific.. so many out there

03:56:04 trinque: decimation: one important distinction may be that whereas the modern state seeks to make humans fungible, to normalize them according to some standard

03:56:33 trinque: the WoT allows for *varying* standards of interaction based on the relationships involved

03:57:26 decimation: sure, but that's a distinction between 'a state' and 'the modern structure' (as moldbug would put it)

03:57:36 trinque: I don't disagree

03:58:29 decimation: I would probably setting for a 'modern state' that did its best to cultivate the quality of its human potential, rather than treating it like an infinite resource

03:58:54 decimation: s/setting/settle/

03:59:12 funkenstein_: i find it easier to talk about tax regimes

04:01:32 trinque: if you presuppose my involvement in some agreement between other people, you've presupposed me right out of the conversation in both cases!

04:01:34 trinque: lol

04:01:55 trinque: if I haven't signed something, it has been forced upon me

04:02:21 trinque: to state the obvious

04:02:58 funkenstein_: to quote noone you are likely to consider sane, you signed up when you chose to be born

04:03:20 trinque: the social contract is religious bullshit

04:05:22 funkenstein_: !up Vexual

04:05:50 Vexual: hi hi

04:06:01 funkenstein_: I'm not sure what the social contract is. As you point out, I didn't sign it

04:06:18 Vexual: oysters cost 0 if you find them

04:06:22 trinque: or "you are not your own but were bought at a price"

04:06:27 trinque: corinthian's something something

04:06:48 trinque: or any other such brainwashing which precludes my own decisionmaking

04:06:49 decimation: trinque: but in that case Paul is referring to those who believe in Jesus

04:07:05 trinque: sure and my parents had me baptised

04:07:21 trinque: so I'm his bondslave for life according to this or that interpretation of folk legends

04:08:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46602 @ 0.00039935 = 18.6105 BTC [+]

04:08:56 decimation: if your point is that your salvation is involuntary, I don't think that is correct, but Christians do disagree on this point

04:09:31 trinque: point is people with mouths can declare anything at all

04:09:44 trinque: that doesn't mean that I acknowledge it

04:10:07 decimation: indeed. yet, you were born, fed, taught, and you will die.

04:10:12 trinque: when someone says "there is a social contract" that's just a backdoor way of saying "you shall accept the implications of there being a social contract"

04:11:53 trinque: I might revise that further to "I shall force you to behave as though there were such a thing as a social contract."

04:12:02 trinque: though the "I" in the sentence may not be the speaker

04:12:52 funkenstein_: so what behavior are we talking about here?

04:14:07 decimation: trinque: note that many people would replace orthodox Christianity with some kind of warmed-over socialism, that doesn't make their socialism Christianity (as loudly as they might protest otherwise)

04:16:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51956 @ 0.00038944 = 20.2337 BTC [-]

04:17:47 trinque: decimation: I grant that

04:19:20 trinque: wouldn't it be nice for a man to call a command a command, so you know what freedom you actually have

04:19:23 trinque: if any.

04:20:12 trinque: the destruction of the language in order to convince slaves they are not slaves costs far too much

04:21:54 Vexual: such acrux

04:22:24 trinque: decimation: I've heard it called "stealing your stolen from" around here, and it's exactly on the mark

04:23:45 trinque: so then going back to the "state", if the "state" is this, then a "state" is *not* the aggregate of agreements made by free men

04:23:58 trinque: might be nice to give that one it's own word

04:24:31 funkenstein_: in practical use, the state is whatever the guy with the gun tells you it is

04:27:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26655 @ 0.000404 = 10.7686 BTC [+] {2}

04:28:36 trinque: funkenstein_: things are what they are, though we may be forced to call them otherwise

04:32:13 funkenstein_: yhwh wasn't interested in this new testament stuff

04:33:18 funkenstein_: trinque, indeed. sounds like a small statement but you have just affirmed something big methinks

04:37:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51981 @ 0.00040768 = 21.1916 BTC [+]

04:39:47 funkenstein_: while we're here, http://www.theonion.com/video/onn-exclusive-one-on-one-interview-with-god-37236

04:39:48 assbot: ONN Exclusive: One-On-One Interview With God - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ie5mul )

04:44:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80744 @ 0.00038944 = 31.4449 BTC [-]

04:52:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33272 @ 0.00038789 = 12.9059 BTC [-]

05:09:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 261650 @ 0.00041316 = 108.1033 BTC [+] {4}

05:38:38 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 276 @ 0.00494424 = 1.3646 BTC [-] {9}

05:43:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.0004016 = 17.3893 BTC [-]

06:01:00 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 253 @ 0.00480442 = 1.2155 BTC [-] {2}

06:03:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67700 @ 0.00039527 = 26.7598 BTC [-]

06:12:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76303 @ 0.00039527 = 30.1603 BTC [-]

06:20:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00039158 = 15.2716 BTC [-]

06:27:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 265900 @ 0.00040148 = 106.7535 BTC [+] {5}

06:42:56 punkman: !up Vexual

06:43:17 Vexual: hello

06:43:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53100 @ 0.00039158 = 20.7929 BTC [-]

06:44:50 Vexual: whats for breakfast punkman?

06:45:24 punkman: tea and crumpets

06:47:43 Vexual: hmm, sounds like london

06:48:01 Vexual: no fried haloumi?

06:49:08 punkman: I do have a piece left, maybe for lunch

06:49:58 Vexual: im jealous

06:50:51 punkman: don't fry it though, better toasted/grilled

06:52:00 Vexual: noted

06:52:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67430 @ 0.00039978 = 26.9572 BTC [+]

06:54:38 punkman: punkman's salad suggestion: purslane, rocket, cherry tomatos and grilled haloumi

06:55:30 Vexual: what would you serve that with?

06:58:21 punkman: can't go wrong with steak

06:58:45 Vexual: if i cant find purslane?

06:59:44 punkman: then you gotta buy some seeds

07:00:21 Vexual: lol, but im salivating

07:01:37 Vexual: ill ask the asians for a tropicaal quqivalent

07:02:05 Vexual: bok choi stems maybe

07:02:50 Vexual: snapper is in season too

07:04:50 Vexual: watercress?

07:05:45 punkman: well anything will do, it's salad

07:06:12 Vexual: sounds good

07:08:19 punkman: any snail farmers down under?

07:08:34 Vexual: maybe in tas or melb

07:08:58 Vexual: you eat em?

07:09:17 punkman: not too often, I got a box of them fattening up though

07:09:37 punkman: fry them with garlic and rosemary

07:09:54 Vexual: ive never tried

07:10:43 Vexual: i dont think theyd grow here, never see wild ones

07:11:23 Vexual: what do they eat? old lettuce?

07:11:40 punkman: white flour

07:12:32 Vexual: do they prefer dampper, or just flour?

07:12:49 Vexual: do you make it into dough and cook it?

07:13:18 punkman: !up Vexual

07:13:29 punkman: no the box gets pretty gross

07:17:58 Vexual: id rather a box of ducks to be hosnest, but id eat it

07:23:39 Vexual: do you wash them?

07:24:33 Vexual: or does the slime go into the sauce?

07:24:58 punkman: gotta give them a scrub, and check for casualties

07:27:20 Vexual: ok im salivating, thanks for the recipies, im off to raid a southerners letterbox

07:27:56 punkman: in other news https://musalbas.com/2015/06/14/e-detective-security-advisory.html

07:27:57 assbot: Security advisory - E-Detective Lawful Interception System ... ( http://bit.ly/1JSIWTY )

07:27:59 punkman: "The .tar file must be encrypted with the static key /tmp/.charlie. Yes, that's the actual key - the software passes the wrong argument to OpenSSL. -K is used to pass the keyfile instead of -kfile, meaning that the key is the path of the keyfile rather than the contents"

07:28:01 Vexual: failing that ill buy a snapper

07:33:43 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHbGtiVUEAAwfM9.jpg

07:33:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JSJl8S )

07:39:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48318 @ 0.00039629 = 19.1479 BTC [-]

07:57:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6435 @ 0.00039629 = 2.5501 BTC [-]

08:25:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146850 @ 0.00039755 = 58.3802 BTC [+] {2}

08:51:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25970 @ 0.00039893 = 10.3602 BTC [+] {2}

09:11:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00039995 = 4.5394 BTC [+]

09:17:46 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163790 <<< c'mon, i even dropped it back to once a month instead of the twice monthly update.. i find the mining diff stuff interesting in anycase

09:17:46 assbot: Logged on 14-06-2015 13:57:09; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163764 << lol, do we get a newspiece every time this happens? 'you're older than you've ever been and now you're even older, ..., and now you're older still!' (tm) (r)

09:17:46 scoopbot_revived: CoinJar COO Ryan Zhou Caught Impersonating Dice Site's Developer http://qntra.net/2015/06/coinjar-coo-ryan-zhou-caught-impersonating-dice-sites-developer/

09:21:03 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHe8hHRWIAAG_6z.jpg "Apologies if you've already seen a raccoon riding an alligator today."

09:21:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tni7M3 )

09:35:49 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164104 <<< that is vile

09:35:49 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 01:10:08; BingoBoingo: Fupa Duped https://i.imgur.com/s4OD455.jpg

09:38:53 cazalla: still training BingoBoingo?

09:39:19 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Still working in that direction

09:39:44 cazalla: i had another sober weekend so half way there to a sober month of June

09:40:43 BingoBoingo: Last weekend banged up my knee and wrist pretty bad in a unknown incident while drunk, which lead to a slowdown last week but not a cessation of activities

09:41:45 cazalla: damn, must've been blind

09:42:12 cazalla: i'm feeling so good i even banged the missus twice and here i thought it was cause i long ago grew tired of her, must've been the booze after all

09:42:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00040363 = 14.672 BTC [+]

09:45:53 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164256 <<< no red onion?

09:45:53 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 06:54:38; punkman: punkman's salad suggestion: purslane, rocket, cherry tomatos and grilled haloumi

09:46:42 cazalla: i don't mind a bit of holy flax too

09:47:47 punkman: flaxseed?

09:49:00 cazalla: nah, Santolina rosmarinifolia

09:49:20 cazalla: they also call it olive herb down under

09:51:01 punkman: don't think I've tried that one

09:51:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57150 @ 0.00040524 = 23.1595 BTC [+] {2}

09:56:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132950 @ 0.00039836 = 52.962 BTC [-] {2}

10:02:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63051 @ 0.00040858 = 25.7614 BTC [+] {2}

10:17:42 cazalla: it pretty much tastes like olives

10:20:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00041025 = 18.092 BTC [+] {2}

10:32:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97857 @ 0.0004103 = 40.1507 BTC [+]

10:42:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55583 @ 0.0004103 = 22.8057 BTC [+]

11:01:52 jurov: for good measure(and smell) don't forget some bear garlic foliage(allium ursinum).

11:12:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00040419 = 10.5898 BTC [-]

11:34:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113050 @ 0.0004103 = 46.3844 BTC [+]

11:59:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43512 @ 0.00040419 = 17.5871 BTC [-]

12:07:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67400 @ 0.0004103 = 27.6542 BTC [+]

12:47:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32388 @ 0.00040419 = 13.0909 BTC [-]

12:54:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12412 @ 0.00039781 = 4.9376 BTC [-]

13:08:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88684 @ 0.00041032 = 36.3888 BTC [+] {2}

13:26:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68997 @ 0.00040842 = 28.1798 BTC [-]

13:31:13 davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu pls to x.eur

13:31:13 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:45:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00040842 = 12.6202 BTC [-]

13:58:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61250 @ 0.00041456 = 25.3918 BTC [+] {2}

14:05:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100300 @ 0.00041706 = 41.8311 BTC [+] {2}

14:19:31 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes best papamobile is two-seat papamobile ! bold (and beautiful) play !

14:19:31 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:20:10 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo aha yes. wd there !

14:20:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:23:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97200 @ 0.00040382 = 39.2513 BTC [-] {2}

14:49:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44850 @ 0.00040064 = 17.9687 BTC [-] {2}

15:09:25 pete_dushenski: " When a retired 51-year-old military man disclosed in a U.S. security clearance application that he had a 20-year affair with his former college roommate's wife, it was supposed to remain a secret between him and the government."

15:10:08 pete_dushenski: what on earth would possess one to disclose such a thing on a fucking application form, in triplicate...

15:10:38 pete_dushenski: " The man had kept the affair secret from his wife for two decades before disclosing it on the government's innocuously named Standard Form 86 (SF 86), filled out by millions of Americans seeking security clearances. "

15:11:29 pete_dushenski: "The SF 86 form, which is 127-pages long, is extraordinarily comprehensive and intrusive. "

15:12:19 pete_dushenski: of course, the database has been... hacked.

15:12:22 pete_dushenski: by the chinese!

15:12:42 pete_dushenski: or mebbe somalians. tough to say at this point.

15:13:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157000 @ 0.00041113 = 64.5474 BTC [+] {2}

15:13:18 punkman: http://fusion.net/story/149831/opm-hack-happened-to-me/ " It is like an Orwell nightmare."

15:13:20 assbot: I am one of the millions affected by the OPM hack | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1R0F5Ew )

15:13:35 pete_dushenski: punkman: lel

15:13:45 pete_dushenski: ""It's kind of scary that somebody could know that much about us," said a former senior U.S. diplomat, pointing out the ability to use such data to impersonate an American official online, obtain passwords and plunder bank accounts."

15:13:55 pete_dushenski: no shit sherlock.

15:14:35 pete_dushenski: turns out that when you spill the beans to a piece of paper in a drawer, someone can go in and read that piece of paper !

15:14:46 pete_dushenski: seriously, what are the chances of this NOT happening.

15:15:38 pete_dushenski: slim, i'd say.

15:17:55 pete_dushenski: "I’m also worried they are going to identify agents in law enforcement." << exactly the plot of 'spy', this.

15:18:51 pete_dushenski: database hacked by , agent identity and locations revealed, cover blown,

15:19:03 pete_dushenski: *by 'terrorists'

15:19:29 pete_dushenski: only solution is to put landwhale deskjockeys into the field !

15:20:49 jurov: ppl will do anything for 'good' job. i'm fully expecting to see alf grappling with this someday

15:21:04 jurov: access to golden toilet vs. anal probing clearance

15:22:49 punkman: "Weird 64MB favicon.ico turning out to be a TAR backup of the whole WP site, downloaded by every browser passing by... "

15:24:47 pete_dushenski: punkman: eh ? how's that work ?

15:25:36 punkman: I guess you just rename your .tar to .ico

15:26:04 pete_dushenski: "In 2010, LEGO unleashed LEGO Universe, a massive, multiplayer game where builders of all ages could create whatever they wanted on their own digital plots. Well, almost anything: LEGO didn’t want any of the players to endow its online world with penises. After all, it was meant to be a kid-friendly place in which phalluses had no role—even its mini-fig citizens were dickless."

15:26:19 pete_dushenski: heh. 'lego universe' is the un-eulora.

15:26:31 pete_dushenski: punkman: ah ok.

15:26:41 jurov: you were able to build penis in eulora? how?

15:26:46 jurov: *craft

15:26:58 jurov: or show, whatever

15:26:58 pete_dushenski: "Management “wanted a creative building MMO [massively multiplayer online-game] with a promise of zero penises seen,” tweeted Megan Fox, a developer who worked on the project,"

15:27:17 pete_dushenski: jurov: i was more thinking along the lines of the upskirt angle

15:27:59 pete_dushenski: "We were asked to make dong detection software for LEGO Universe too. We found it to be utterly impossible at any scale.”"

15:28:05 pete_dushenski: lolk this is priceless

15:28:10 pete_dushenski: http://fusion.net/story/143218/lego-universe-had-a-huge-dong-detection-problem-says-former-developer/

15:28:12 assbot: LEGO Universe had a huge 'dong detection' problem, says former developer | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1R0Icwk )

15:28:22 punkman: heh

15:31:48 punkman: https://bugcrowd.com/programs/points-only "kudos per bug"

15:31:49 assbot: Bugcrowd | Your Elastic Security Team, better security testing through bug bounties and managed security programs ... ( http://bit.ly/1R0IHqh )

15:39:01 asciilifeform: jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164365 << bit of a contradiction here? 'good job' is precisely where there is a minimum of hours-doing-things/unit-of-pay

15:39:01 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:20:49; jurov: ppl will do anything for 'good' job. i'm fully expecting to see alf grappling with this someday

15:39:41 jurov: why a contradiction? i imagine most jobs at NSA to be such

15:39:57 asciilifeform: jurov: not exactly. they make you work a full shift, for instance.

15:40:03 jurov: aha

15:40:04 asciilifeform: as in, gotta actually show up there

15:40:16 asciilifeform: and without own computer or just about anything but clothes on back

15:41:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00039707 = 17.8682 BTC [-] {2}

15:44:09 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164348 << i finally found and read it, for this occasion. found nothing which obviously demands that one disclose a fucktoy as such

15:44:09 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:11:29; pete_dushenski: "The SF 86 form, which is 127-pages long, is extraordinarily comprehensive and intrusive. "

15:44:22 asciilifeform: evidently the derp did this on own free will.

15:44:53 pete_dushenski: just like shrem. just like 17yo isis twerp.

15:45:31 pete_dushenski: they had the choice and made the wrong one.

15:45:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125900 @ 0.00041734 = 52.5431 BTC [+]

15:45:54 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164361 << depends on what one means by 'agent.' afaik, mere stoolies don't fill out forms.

15:45:54 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:17:55; pete_dushenski: "I’m also worried they are going to identify agents in law enforcement." << exactly the plot of 'spy', this.

15:46:25 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164367 << where ?

15:46:25 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:22:49; punkman: "Weird 64MB favicon.ico turning out to be a TAR backup of the whole WP site, downloaded by every browser passing by... "

15:46:53 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164345 << between him and microshit, aha

15:46:53 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:09:25; pete_dushenski: " When a retired 51-year-old military man disclosed in a U.S. security clearance application that he had a 20-year affair with his former college roommate's wife, it was supposed to remain a secret between him and the government."

15:47:36 pete_dushenski: and google, apple, amazon, paypal, banks, etc.

15:48:18 pete_dushenski: as if there were a magical 'great wall' that kept out the mongols behind their keyboards

15:49:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.00041734 = 29.5059 BTC [+]

15:50:15 asciilifeform: from the pov of the chumps, the more sinister aspect, as always, is the non-cryptographic concept of identity used in nato reich, where folks can actually impersonate you if they know a handful of basic biographical facts

15:51:10 pete_dushenski: sin, passport #, dob alone are likely sufficient from most purposes

15:51:19 pete_dushenski: including loans, no doubt.

15:52:37 asciilifeform: ultimately usg 'department of plenty' ~really~ wants money to get borrowed. whether you in particular like to borrow money or not. if some 'helpful' nigerian can do it in your name, so much the better from their pov.

15:52:40 asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-06-2015#1157053

15:52:40 assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 04:27:15; asciilifeform: i, for instance, would much like to publicly register as 'anyone who walks in with my name and slave serial number and tries to take a mortgage, ever, is to be shot immediately'

15:53:28 asciilifeform: hence also the utter lack of meaningful asymmetric crypto in bank cards, etc.

15:53:29 pete_dushenski: ah yes, the 'low barrier to entry' policy

15:53:51 pete_dushenski: making loans accessible

15:55:08 pete_dushenski: on the consumer side, there's little need for concern either as it's assumed (since it's been demonstrated in the past) that the scamee will be made whole

15:55:15 pete_dushenski: from whence it matters not.

15:55:26 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this is a grave misconception

15:56:03 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i have not personally scammed in this particular way, but watched colleagues deal with the fallout of 'xxx bought a house in your name'

15:56:08 pete_dushenski: i had my credit card number lifted in chicago a few years back, sekoority centre called me to ask about a few purchases, which i hadn't made, they cancelled the card on the spot and refunded me the charges.

15:56:13 asciilifeform: it is - at miniumum - a mountain of paperwork, dragging on for years

15:56:37 pete_dushenski: mind you, cc is much smaller scale than mortgage

15:56:48 pete_dushenski: a few hundred vs. a few hundred k

15:56:53 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: lifted cc #s are so routine as to be an automatic writeoff for the bank, unless it was an outlandishly posh cc

15:57:00 asciilifeform: with 100k+ on it

15:57:30 *: pete_dushenski doesn't have amex black or equivalent

15:58:02 asciilifeform: point being, the 'made whole' thing is 1) not guaranteed by any means 2) presupposes that the victim's ~time~ is worth nothing

15:58:08 pete_dushenski: also, time to jet for me. ciao bellas !

16:00:32 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164378 << can we also suppose that there was a 'cunt patrol', which succeeded in its mission and remains secret ?

16:00:32 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:27:59; pete_dushenski: "We were asked to make dong detection software for LEGO Universe too. We found it to be utterly impossible at any scale.”"

16:04:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92700 @ 0.00040738 = 37.7641 BTC [-] {2}

16:09:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33950 @ 0.0003968 = 13.4714 BTC [-] {2}

16:15:24 punkman: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164367 << where ? << dunno, URL was censored

16:15:24 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:22:49; punkman: "Weird 64MB favicon.ico turning out to be a TAR backup of the whole WP site, downloaded by every browser passing by... "

16:25:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47013 @ 0.00041643 = 19.5776 BTC [+] {2}

16:28:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 66 @ 0.01579 = 1.0421 BTC [+]

16:30:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72000 @ 0.00041734 = 30.0485 BTC [+]

16:46:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65341 @ 0.00039629 = 25.894 BTC [-]

17:24:54 menahem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164421 << same happened to me in Chicago. Person balled out at Payless with like $80.

17:24:54 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:56:08; pete_dushenski: i had my credit card number lifted in chicago a few years back, sekoority centre called me to ask about a few purchases, which i hadn't made, they cancelled the card on the spot and refunded me the charges.

17:40:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81850 @ 0.00039551 = 32.3725 BTC [-] {2}

17:45:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78750 @ 0.00041438 = 32.6324 BTC [+] {2}

17:47:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00039545 = 4.9431 BTC [-]

17:51:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24429 @ 0.0004196 = 10.2504 BTC [+] {2}

18:07:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122727 @ 0.00039545 = 48.5324 BTC [-]

18:17:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 223300 @ 0.0004241 = 94.7015 BTC [+] {4}

18:20:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00039545 = 16.4507 BTC [-]

18:24:52 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39xdf3/bitstamp_withdrawal_17_days_and_counting_no/ << burnside resurfaces

18:28:22 mircea_popescu: i take it the unsolicited redrawing of mpex on toilet paper by kindergartners did not end up selling for the "very modest" five digit figure he had in... for lack of a better term, mind ?

18:40:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125433 @ 0.000419 = 52.5564 BTC [+]

18:41:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2542 @ 0.000419 = 1.0651 BTC [+]

18:42:19 mircea_popescu: http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/05/17/sailor-death-bahrain-balcony-farragut/27483591/

18:42:23 assbot: Sailor dies in Bahrain after fall from balcony ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qz6N0t )

18:52:47 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/#comment-114533 << people still working on the ~fallout~ :D from that article.

18:52:49 assbot: The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume I on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qz7Op3 )

18:54:24 mircea_popescu: seriously, as far as the "public opinion" is concenred, "there exists a weapon that has never been used on account of it being too effectual". something that happened with nothing never, the celts used iron weapons and the europeans used machine guns and everything in between that actually worked and was actually useful was actually used. and not a little used. USED. ubiquitously used, the franks re-engineered their en

18:54:24 mircea_popescu: tire societal relations to make room for the horse on the battlefield.

18:54:26 mircea_popescu: and yet...

18:59:38 mircea_popescu: ugh... wrong fucking link. i meant http://fraudsters.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/#comment-114526

18:59:38 assbot: On how the factored 4096 RSA keys story was handled, and what it means to you. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qz8yuy )

19:00:32 Naphex: !up dooglus

19:01:22 mircea_popescu: and in Naphex news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrmr7k6kpn1qd2dcwo1_r1_500.gif

19:01:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qz8J99 )

19:01:40 Naphex: :))

19:01:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76129 @ 0.00041556 = 31.6362 BTC [-] {4}

19:01:49 mircea_popescu: lol

19:05:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164079 << it certainly is more mind altering than a long term alcohol habit.

19:05:21 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 00:25:07; jurov: "Also, programmers can also attest to the fact that long-term coding is very much a tantric, mind-altering endeavor."

19:06:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164089 << because you're not on the stuff the guy's smoking

19:06:20 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 00:32:11; jurov: dunno why I find it so funny

19:06:25 ben_vulpes: mebbe in that it'll drive you insane..

19:06:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164101 << lul WHAT THE SHIT

19:06:44 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 01:03:44; asciilifeform: 'Shortly thereafter, officers who had been working undercover to catch citizens attempting to self-serve, swarmed in to arrest the mostly nude man ? but not before Mapes took down 3 of the 6 officers by himself.'

19:07:14 mircea_popescu: how is "working undercover" what you do when you sit around in a gas station "trying to catch people who self serve" ? this isn't even lance corporal, whaty officer.

19:07:17 BingoBoingo: https://falkvinge.net/2015/06/15/launching-new-reporting-service-682-writers-editors-managers-wanted-for-part-time-yes-youll-get-paid-and-paid-well-launch-now-operational-in-q3/ << lol qntra ripoff

19:07:17 assbot: Launching New Reporting Service – 682 Writers, Editors, Managers Wanted For Part-Time. Yes, You’ll Get Paid, And Paid Well. Launch Now, Operational In Q3. - Falkvinge on Infopolicy ... ( http://bit.ly/1cWAUfC )

19:07:42 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for as long as fiat financing lasts, everyone gets to pretend they're the most serene republic.

19:07:54 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes exactly what i meant.

19:08:16 BingoBoingo: "publishes all news as shareable images, thereby bypassing a large number of restrictions and limitations, not needing clickbait, and being immune to adblock ? but also paying people well, using bitcoin" << And completely ignoring the MP doesn't read text as images

19:09:35 mircea_popescu: lol immune to adblock.

19:09:50 mircea_popescu: "we've seen teh weird web technologies deployed on 8chan last month and we figure it's actual magic"

19:12:01 mircea_popescu: anyway, someone should tell falkvinge to gtfo in here and stop being retarded.

19:12:12 mircea_popescu: he's not THIS stupid, no need to fake it.

19:13:34 BingoBoingo: Dude prolly figures since oldmedia pays him more attention than it does mp, that he can just mash two mp ideas together and herptiy derp and whistle while he twerks

19:13:49 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164125 << sounds just like pretty much every smart woman ever. what exactly is "failed " ?

19:13:49 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 02:47:59; decimation: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-557568/I-love-girl--Im-control-boasts-fallen-child-genius.html < smart folks are maybe also not always wise?

19:14:48 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe. there should be a new word, "low functioning intelligence". the exact counterparty to high functioning autism

19:14:58 mircea_popescu: when an otherwise smart guy is too stupid to get out of the rain.

19:16:10 BingoBoingo: Sounds like an actual problem. I'd consider tossing him an invite, but he's a complete stranger. All I know him as is the pirate trying to make a qntra... but special needs.

19:16:45 mircea_popescu: he had some rather on point comments re bitcoin's end game in 2012

19:16:52 mircea_popescu: i think i even commented on his site at some point

19:17:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69850 @ 0.0004107 = 28.6874 BTC [-]

19:18:34 BingoBoingo: I have vaguely familair with the name being said places, but the context is unknown to me.

19:21:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164136 << the question is misstated in that it assumes an alternative is needed. "what is the alternative to bell bottoms???".

19:21:18 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 03:24:29; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163996 < but what is the altnerative to the state?

19:21:32 mircea_popescu: needn't have "an alternative to monarchy" in terms monarchy'd comprehend. ditto re state.

19:22:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88930 @ 0.00042374 = 37.6832 BTC [+] {2}

19:22:14 mircea_popescu: the proposition that "religion === morality" or "state===society" or "monarchy===worldview" etc is so much smarmy pretense.

19:22:29 mircea_popescu: if the state went away tomorrow nobody'd even notice.

19:23:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3970 @ 0.00042581 = 1.6905 BTC [+]

19:25:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164143 << the state is neither.

19:25:11 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 03:32:36; decimation: sure, but in the end they all involve a peice of actual real estate with an actual physical structure

19:25:26 BingoBoingo: !Up HeySteve

19:25:27 scoopbot_revived: France Demands Google Extend "Right to be Forgotten" to Global Domains http://qntra.net/2015/06/france-demands-google-extend-right-to-be-forgotten-to-global-domains/

19:25:51 HeySteve: hey, thanks BingoBoingo

19:25:51 mircea_popescu: it pretends, and apparently convincingly, to be either or both, but it is neither. for that matter, koreans believe "the party" is equal to "the atmosphere". what of it.

19:25:59 mircea_popescu: how goes.

19:26:23 HeySteve: well thanks, how are you?

19:26:34 mircea_popescu: not bad.

19:27:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164147 << you will know the leper by his sores. "the state" is any arrangement which pretends that the use of violence is under "its" monopoly.

19:27:03 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 03:37:49; decimation: not a literal us state here, state = government

19:27:12 mircea_popescu: this has exactly zero to do with governance in the general case.

19:27:21 HeySteve: today's luls courtesy of America: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-15/lying-white-african-american-naacp-president-resigns-shocked-focus-her-race

19:27:22 assbot: Lying White 'African American' NAACP President Resigns Shocked By Focus On Her Race | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1Igdfzu )

19:28:01 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164153 << im not even sure.

19:28:01 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 03:42:37; decimation: but someone has to claim the land, and people need a place to sleep

19:28:15 BingoBoingo: !up ag3nt_zer0

19:28:22 ag3nt_zer0: thanks!

19:28:32 mircea_popescu: iroquis worked fine without anyone "claiming the land". fine enough for the us to try and copy off them everything they didn't understand from french anyway

19:28:52 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, "Google has made undeniably made an effort" remove the first 'made' ?

19:30:03 danielpbarron: also, "whether its has" should be 'it' ?

19:30:58 ag3nt_zer0: question: does it matter what email provider I use for GPG setup? I tried to set it up with Tutanota but cannot set it up with thunderbird and enigmail which i suspected but wasn't sure until I tried... I shudder to maintain any connection to google or yahoo, but does it matter with GPG?

19:32:00 mircea_popescu: if you run gpg correctrly, whic his to say locally, use plaintext email

19:37:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164175 << he is wrong. the state becomes necessary when people who aren't willing to kill if it comes to it wish to pretend they're still people.

19:37:58 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 03:51:29; funkenstein_: malcolm x says the state becomes necessary when one needs to separate those who have from those who have not

19:38:53 HeySteve: sounds like the justification for a communist state

19:39:26 mircea_popescu: it does ?

19:39:33 ag3nt_zer0: ok ty mircea_popescu I am pretty confused... I have been following contravex guide - so is that preparing me to run locally? Or is utilizing enigmail through thunderbird attached to a gmail account no longer local? And is it just more secure to use plaintext over html? So much to learn...

19:40:02 mircea_popescu: anyway, malcom x correctly identified "the state is this thing which fucks us over", but he thought it's about money (ie, what he didn't have) rather than about cocksize (ie, what the people actually employing it didn't have).

19:40:23 mircea_popescu: whenever you see a cripple walking on a crutch, it's a good idea to think the crutch as compensation for HIS shortcoming, not yours.

19:40:38 mircea_popescu: this, of course, is still uncharted territory in the mental map of the fifth millenium.

19:41:01 BingoBoingo: ag3nt_zer0: Just encrypt and then paste into a mail client

19:41:09 mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 the fewer things involved, the less available to break. and yes, what he said.

19:41:17 ag3nt_zer0: ok thanks guys

19:41:18 mircea_popescu: we routinely pass messages here as dpaste for instance

19:41:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31275 @ 0.00042581 = 13.3172 BTC [+]

19:41:51 BingoBoingo: ag3nt_zer0: But mail client beats webmail, because webmail fuck up line endings and spacing

19:42:34 BingoBoingo: ag3nt_zer0: Claws is a good email client, but do your email writing and reading outside of it and encrypt/decrypt outside of it

19:42:54 BingoBoingo: Don't want plaintext leaking into your drafts folder...

19:43:53 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Both fixed

19:44:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164195 << no, obama's daughters have signed up to suck my cock when they were born. i signed nothing.

19:44:27 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 04:02:58; funkenstein_: to quote noone you are likely to consider sane, you signed up when you chose to be born

19:44:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50750 @ 0.00042601 = 21.62 BTC [+] {2}

19:44:31 mircea_popescu: see how nicely this works ?

19:44:40 mircea_popescu: also the jews signed to like gas when they were born.

19:44:45 ag3nt_zer0: ok, thanks for the help guys, and please forgive the derpage, but I suppose this means do not use something like the enigmail add-on?

19:45:03 ag3nt_zer0: I will check out claws too thanks BingoBoingo

19:45:05 mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 you'd be the first one here to use it.

19:45:37 asciilifeform: what's with the folks who 'need' the automated email-pgp things? are they still using 2-button mice ?

19:45:45 ag3nt_zer0: hehe

19:45:47 trinque: what's a mouse

19:46:06 asciilifeform: trinque: that thing you sometimes use to move crud between x11 terms

19:46:13 trinque: haha, oh right

19:46:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt most people realise security is not an app

19:46:37 BingoBoingo: Also one of the greatest weapons of the shitgnomes is burying people in bad choices

19:46:54 mircea_popescu: hey, it worked for wallmart...

19:47:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not quite. all the 'bad choices' are really many faces of one god, upon the most casual examination

19:47:34 mircea_popescu: that sounds pretty jewish

19:47:55 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course, but what is one to do when they first encounter berries in the wilderness?

19:48:04 ag3nt_zer0: So I got a raspberry pi and am hoping that noodling around with this device will correct some of these fundamental misunderstanding I have...

19:48:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: look for the dead animals ?

19:48:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Russian are prettty well culturally jewish.

19:48:26 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: what is it that you want to learn?

19:48:27 mircea_popescu: esp in odessa

19:48:30 asciilifeform: aga

19:49:04 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's nature the dead animals don't last long before other animals see the phree protein

19:49:39 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164500 << not quite. in unstable 'racial yugoslavias' like usa, 'state' is the apex predator. if it goes to sleep for just one day - the place burns

19:49:39 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 19:22:29; mircea_popescu: if the state went away tomorrow nobody'd even notice.

19:49:52 decimation: how would the iroquis mint chips? how would they arrange for more than 5000 humans per sq mile?

19:50:04 asciilifeform: 50

19:50:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164216 << the difference between jewish religion and communism is slight. the pretense christianity is anything but an (intellectually lesser) jewish sect is ridoinculous. and so here we go.

19:50:17 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 04:14:07; decimation: trinque: note that many people would replace orthodox Christianity with some kind of warmed-over socialism, that doesn't make their socialism Christianity (as loudly as they might protest otherwise)

19:50:46 mircea_popescu: decimation are you putting formal constraints on human happiness noiw ?

19:50:59 ag3nt_zer0: Trinque, well some basic programming would be a good place to start I think... a more fundamental understanding of the history of the cypherpunk movement, encrytion fundamentals, etc, anything that will allow me to be something more than a slave

19:51:01 decimation: all human happiness is relative

19:51:02 mircea_popescu: "how would they solve the prob lem solved by chips" ios one question.

19:51:08 mircea_popescu: "How would they make X" is another.

19:52:01 asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: how did you come to the notion that a closed turd of a platform such as 'raspberry' is a good starting point for learning programming ?

19:52:50 ag3nt_zer0: Asciilifeform: magickally I think

19:52:54 mircea_popescu: lol

19:53:00 mircea_popescu: !gettrust ag3nt_zer0

19:53:00 assbot: ag3nt_zer0 is not registered in WoT.

19:53:09 mircea_popescu: i guess you can't do that till you sort gpg huh

19:53:15 ag3nt_zer0: no working on it haha yeah

19:53:15 BingoBoingo: ag3nt_zer0: TI-89 is probably a better platform for play computing

19:53:22 asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: may i suggest a change in magicks ? have a stern talk with your amulet supplier.

19:53:35 trinque: !b 1

19:53:36 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/33KY7Y9.txt )

19:53:56 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the -89 in production for the past 7 or so years is a steaming pile of shit

19:54:07 ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: yes working out the LSD kinks

19:54:11 asciilifeform: imagine, a calculator with a boot time!

19:54:12 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hence Ebay

19:54:29 BingoBoingo: Why would anyone buy a "new" "calculator"

19:54:46 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: same reason why a winblows box. 'it's what they had in the shop'

19:56:36 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164495 << no one actually asks 'what is the alternative to state.' what they are really asking is 'what, in your cosmography, is to be the means whereby i get fed, roofed, and far away from bloodthirsty cannibals like before ?' and if the answer is 'you don't, fuck you, biodiesel' don't expect a 'thank you' from the interlocutor

19:56:36 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 19:21:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164136 << the question is misstated in that it assumes an alternative is needed. "what is the alternative to bell bottoms???".

19:56:47 mircea_popescu: tough.

19:57:14 mircea_popescu: might as well ask "what in your cosmography, maps the thing that ensures my eternal life past the pearly gates"

19:57:25 mircea_popescu: i am not responsible for the subjective delusion of inquirers.

19:57:30 *: trinque ends up playing blockdude

19:57:37 asciilifeform: nah they're just interested in earthly life past next tuesday

19:57:42 mircea_popescu: nope

19:57:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00042603 = 22.963 BTC [+]

19:57:51 mircea_popescu: they just discuss it in those tersm, inappropriately.

19:58:01 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, they are discussing salvation in the reliugious sense

19:58:16 asciilifeform: imho this deserves a little elaboration, if there is 'space in this margin'

19:58:34 asciilifeform: most folks i encounter in usa are elementarily concerned with cannibals

19:58:37 asciilifeform: very practical problem

19:59:00 mircea_popescu: yeah. what you don't know is that the concept of "cannibals" is alike the concept that "niggers are by nature made to be slaves"

19:59:02 asciilifeform: nothing theological about it

19:59:03 mircea_popescu: came from the same place, too.

19:59:06 mircea_popescu: hahaha

19:59:11 mircea_popescu: guess the place it came from

19:59:15 mircea_popescu: starts with m and ends in y

19:59:53 asciilifeform: actually it comes from observable ground. i can walk for an hour right now and end in a place from which would have even chances of coming back.

20:00:09 mircea_popescu: not so observable. antrhopologically speaking, the behaviour in question is beyond rare.

20:00:22 asciilifeform: about as rare as pedestrians run over by bus

20:00:25 decimation: ascii could also ride a nearby train in a certain direction and be the only member of his race aboard

20:00:32 asciilifeform: most pedestrians, at most times, are able to stay out of under the bus.

20:00:34 trinque: east coast cities really do suck

20:00:37 mircea_popescu: in the european cultural discourse it ended up as a bit of editorializing by people without a daily mail, looking to illustrate the idiocy they read in some book.

20:00:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. about as rare as women giving birth to buses.

20:00:54 asciilifeform: decimation: for this, i don't need the train. live there.

20:01:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no dispute that the state creates that place it supposedly defends you from.

20:01:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: of course.

20:01:46 mircea_popescu: christianity ended up creating on earht the hell it was going to save people from

20:01:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: none of what i describe here existed in 1950.

20:01:48 mircea_popescu: communism ditto.

20:01:50 mircea_popescu: it's just a thing

20:02:11 asciilifeform: but it ~is~ here now.

20:02:19 decimation: except those 'christians' were departing from orthodox doctrine

20:02:23 mircea_popescu: sucks.

20:02:34 mircea_popescu: decimation oh, comrade stalin betrayed the sacred ideals ?

20:02:38 mircea_popescu: tell me more.tiff

20:03:25 decimation: more like, they became closet atheists and decided to use the church as a propaganda organ

20:03:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10807 @ 0.00042554 = 4.5988 BTC [-]

20:03:52 mircea_popescu: but the church is funfamentally good amirite? just it was misimplemented in practice.

20:03:59 mircea_popescu: hitler for pope!

20:04:41 decimation: people are fundamentally evil and so are their institutions

20:04:59 mircea_popescu: some institutions are necessarily going to fuck up because they proceed from broken presumptions.

20:05:08 mircea_popescu: christianity is one of them.

20:05:49 decimation: if you read the old testament, most of the people who became prophets were hit upside the head by God and told what to do, they weren't bureaucrats receiving their sinecures

20:06:00 mircea_popescu: (and yes as alf points out, the "broken presumptions" are always faces of the same demon. "people are equal", his proper name)

20:06:01 trinque: "There is an ultimate power you can know and derive knowledge from directly, and his son absolved you of every mistake you could ever make." << fucking mind virus

20:06:17 trinque: the one short-circuits learning and the other justifies it

20:06:44 mircea_popescu: trinque interesting, we have different criteria ?

20:06:45 asciilifeform: trinque: this particular virus only works on those who are immunocompromised to begin with

20:06:56 asciilifeform: like the oddball flora which infest aids patient

20:07:19 trinque: mircea_popescu: maybe, how so?

20:07:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, in aids patients virulence does not follow the usual curves.

20:07:32 trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, got me young, still didn't take

20:07:51 mircea_popescu: which is to say : interacting microorganisms sorta repress each other, all the time. but in imunocompromised patient, DIFFERENT set has the upper hand

20:08:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, because now it is a contest of who can eat the meat faster, rather than who can evade immune mechanism

20:08:35 mircea_popescu: it's not just "more" or "random". it's actually different sets.

20:08:45 asciilifeform: sorta like the dynamics of ecosystem of criminals after, rather than before, demise of mega-state

20:08:54 asciilifeform: (to bring it back to usaschwitz thread)

20:08:54 mircea_popescu: well, partly that, partly "there's no longer the state here to clean out x y z and make it livable for K M N so Q W R win out"

20:09:27 decimation: so, for good reasons many choose the state they know

20:09:36 decimation: instead of the bandits they don't

20:10:59 mircea_popescu: works fine for as long as they're happy with it

20:11:15 mircea_popescu: the junkie with fifty pounds of pure heroin stashed away isn't going out in the streets either.

20:12:07 asciilifeform: to paraphrase mr rumsfeld, 'you get raped by the state you have, not the state you wish you had'

20:12:26 trinque: I don't remember choosing a state

20:12:30 asciilifeform: aha

20:12:30 decimation: or 'post-monarchial non-state' as the case may be

20:12:54 asciilifeform: but the question is normally a kind of hypothetical, 'would you like usg or the orcs with pitchforks'

20:13:10 asciilifeform: usually folks answer 'usg says 'your money or your life', orcs say 'your life'; hence usg'

20:13:20 mircea_popescu: as such it is misstated, in the manner owners of slavegirls misstate the world to the slavegirls.

20:13:32 mircea_popescu: "would you like the beatings here or to be run over by a bus ???"

20:13:35 mircea_popescu: welllll....

20:13:40 trinque: biggest contribution to choosing a state most people can make is saying "nope, not this one"

20:13:46 decimation: asciilifeform: what's the alternative? gentle bandits? usg with 'reform'?

20:13:53 asciilifeform: trinque: even this is beyond the abilities of most

20:14:00 mircea_popescu: stepping out of the idiotology.

20:14:02 trinque: eh they can in aggregate, just don't know it

20:14:09 asciilifeform: decimation: last i checked, there is not a button on my desk that cancels usg

20:14:11 trinque: or forget time to time

20:14:39 asciilifeform: trinque: 'can in aggregate' like the chinese can jump and create earthquake, yes

20:14:42 asciilifeform: which is to say not.

20:15:27 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> stepping out of the idiotology << what does this consist of in practice ?

20:15:54 mircea_popescu: i run into this question a lot. "just stop" "how ?" "by not doing it" "but i don't know how!!1"

20:16:11 mircea_popescu: usually it's resolved with "if you ever do this again im going to beat you with a wet dulap"

20:16:38 asciilifeform: i notice a tendency among #b-a folks to dwell on 'convince folks to leave gravity well.' well, guess what, i was convinced 15+ yrs ago, before ever met you lot. and fat lot of good it did

20:16:49 asciilifeform: one needs the means as well as the will.

20:17:02 mircea_popescu: when there's a means there's a will or how was it

20:17:16 trinque: "where there's a will there's a way" ?

20:17:30 mircea_popescu: i think "when there's a butthole there's a plug"

20:17:35 trinque: lol

20:17:42 asciilifeform: tell that to the fellow writhing in the leather straps on electric chair

20:17:58 mircea_popescu: i'm just the man to do that, too. so yeah, i will.

20:18:23 trinque: "You can do it!" "Manifest your destiny, brother!"

20:18:31 trinque: bbbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzpppppttttssss!

20:18:40 trinque: "Hm... alright bring in the next one!"

20:19:03 mircea_popescu: mno, more like, "well... you are aware the alternative would have been being eaten by cannibals right ???"

20:20:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30563 @ 0.00042554 = 13.0058 BTC [-]

20:20:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164230 << yep

20:20:41 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 04:33:18; funkenstein_: trinque, indeed. sounds like a small statement but you have just affirmed something big methinks

20:21:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164299 <<< ahahah what the fuck

20:21:22 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 09:17:46; scoopbot_revived: CoinJar COO Ryan Zhou Caught Impersonating Dice Site's Developer http://qntra.net/2015/06/coinjar-coo-ryan-zhou-caught-impersonating-dice-sites-developer/

20:21:52 mircea_popescu: so basically... a lot of "different people" who are actually all the same guy compose a community which spent years accusing me of being hanbot ?

20:24:12 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164306 << at this rate you'll end up with a mistress.

20:24:12 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 09:39:44; cazalla: i had another sober weekend so half way there to a sober month of June

20:25:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61837 @ 0.00041476 = 25.6475 BTC [-]

20:28:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164356 << kind of ? heh.

20:28:34 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:13:45; pete_dushenski: ""It's kind of scary that somebody could know that much about us," said a former senior U.S. diplomat, pointing out the ability to use such data to impersonate an American official online, obtain passwords and plunder bank accounts."

20:28:40 mircea_popescu: get used to it, flondors.

20:29:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164358 << more importantly, turns out that when you work for the usg, you sign your own prison sentence / death warrant.

20:29:56 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:14:35; pete_dushenski: turns out that when you spill the beans to a piece of paper in a drawer, someone can go in and read that piece of paper !

20:32:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164376 << isn't megan fox that porn cyborg woman ?

20:32:09 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:26:58; pete_dushenski: "Management “wanted a creative building MMO [massively multiplayer online-game] with a promise of zero penises seen,” tweeted Megan Fox, a developer who worked on the project,"

20:34:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164399 << "one who gets paid."

20:34:00 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:45:54; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164361 << depends on what one means by 'agent.' afaik, mere stoolies don't fill out forms.

20:51:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3163 @ 0.00041649 = 1.3174 BTC [+]

20:57:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00041109 = 10.6883 BTC [-]

21:05:38 BingoBoingo: herpity derp derp http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34206292/

21:05:39 assbot: Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1IgtE7f )

21:12:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00041109 = 10.4828 BTC [-]

21:21:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42165 @ 0.00041109 = 17.3336 BTC [-]

21:21:24 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164712 << know that almost all folks paid by usg fill out no forms like these.

21:21:24 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 20:34:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164399 << "one who gets paid."

21:22:20 asciilifeform: speaking of 'sf-86' form, does anyone else consider such things a peculiar anachronism? it isn't as if usg did not already have 100% of everything in that thing in some db or other

21:22:36 asciilifeform: (e.g., old residences, employers, blood relatives, marriages, etc)

21:22:50 trinque: ~or~ why doesn't the NSA file my taxes?

21:23:09 asciilifeform: what remains after these are subtracted is some very wooden 'list the terrorist orgs you have been a member in, and why' verbiage

21:23:14 asciilifeform: (literally! read the thing)

21:23:22 trinque: and why lol

21:24:09 asciilifeform: (btw the answer, at least partially, for 'why they don't consult the files' is that what the inquisitors are mainly interested in is ~liars~ rather than the facts)

21:24:16 asciilifeform: ditto the tax collectors

21:24:26 asciilifeform: (if 'nsa filed your tax,' who would ever pay fines ?)

21:44:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125462 @ 0.00042366 = 53.1532 BTC [+] {2}

22:06:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148032 @ 0.00042603 = 63.0661 BTC [+]

22:26:59 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo of course, the truly ridiculous thing in that inept flailing of two different groups of idiots with 100 BTC in the middle is the proposition that btc-e stealing user funds is "what any legitimate busines would have done".

22:27:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80550 @ 0.00042664 = 34.3659 BTC [+] {2}

22:27:22 mircea_popescu: must be in backwards world, this magical place where "official replies" go to reddit and tardstalk.

22:33:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108000 @ 0.00041164 = 44.4571 BTC [-]

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23:15:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00042458 = 15.1575 BTC [-]

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