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00:03:36 shinohai: Bitcoin Jesus comes down from heaven to spread the gospel to the darknet netizens https://redd.it/3kx2a

00:03:38 assbot: reddit.com: page not found ... ( http://bit.ly/1icnRcZ )

00:04:08 shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/3kx2ai/police_judges_and_other_law_enforcement_officers/

00:04:09 assbot: reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1icnSxt )

00:05:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32181 @ 0.00077012 = 24.7832 BTC [+]

00:20:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25689 @ 0.00077012 = 19.7836 BTC [+]

00:25:31 trinque: shinohai: obama will surely pardon ulbricht after enough awareness is raised by these freedom fighters.

00:26:36 shinohai: kek

00:27:57 shinohai: Maybe if we get enough upvotes guise, the Judge will feel remorse and overturn the sentence!

00:28:03 shinohai: WE THE PEOPLES!

00:29:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119842 @ 0.00076651 = 91.8601 BTC [-] {7}

00:37:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13709 @ 0.00077376 = 10.6075 BTC [+]

00:49:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62428 @ 0.00077851 = 48.6008 BTC [+] {4}

00:59:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15524 @ 0.00077886 = 12.091 BTC [+] {2}

01:00:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9776 @ 0.00077974 = 7.6227 BTC [+] {2}

01:17:24 thestringpuller: the one day for me not to have amphoros

01:18:17 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php/Hack_on << ever heard of him

01:18:48 thestringpuller: https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php/Omphalos << really wish I had a machine with that installed

01:23:37 asciilifeform: snore, yet-another-linux-with-buncha-pentest-toolz-preinstalled.

01:24:22 asciilifeform: his www has some good encyclopaedic material, though.

01:25:06 asciilifeform: and i think i may have used some of his exam prep material!

01:25:10 asciilifeform: back in the bad old days.

01:27:59 thestringpuller: he used to be my weed dealer for a good number of years

01:28:08 asciilifeform: l0l

01:29:47 thestringpuller: eviljarred: we need to hang out a lot more

01:37:54 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i take it back, the linked item is new to me and potentially interesting.

01:39:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00078027 = 27.9337 BTC [+] {5}

01:40:44 trinque: liburine << lol

01:42:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00077628 = 21.1536 BTC [-] {3}

01:42:18 trinque: sounds pretty useful

01:42:20 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274238 "Freedom means a hardline anti-Apple stance. Fight the Disneyfication of computing!" <<< love this

01:42:20 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 01:18:17; thestringpuller: asciilifeform: https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php/Hack_on << ever heard of him

01:47:37 trinque: thestringpuller: why isn't this guy here?

01:48:09 trinque: I'd have said I wanna smoke a blunt with him even if he didn't call his site "dankwiki"

01:56:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34254 @ 0.00077376 = 26.5044 BTC [-]

01:56:37 thestringpuller: trinque: cause he's elusive as fuck. I'd have to track him down between his meth binges in New York.

01:58:16 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273358 << because that's where they fill your rice bowl??? think, why did i go back to usa after conf3 ?

01:58:16 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 00:59:09; mircea_popescu: the real question is why the fuck would she want to go back.

02:00:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00078096 = 24.7564 BTC [+] {3}

02:09:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41447 @ 0.00077125 = 31.966 BTC [-] {3}

02:10:38 trinque: thestringpuller: with a little more meth in the WoT we might get that #b-a distro done!

02:31:35 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 therealbitcoin www points out, correctly, that certain patches (e.g., asciilifeform_tx-orphanage_amputation.patch) are considered experimental; but asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.patch is pretty much mandatory - node will not sync without it, afaik.

02:31:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:33:48 BingoBoingo: http://git.2f30.org/morpheus/plain/README

02:33:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Obv1eQ )

02:34:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00076774 = 35.2393 BTC [-] {3}

02:36:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha, it was on 'suckless'

02:36:55 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah, the proto-form of their "less unofficial" distro

02:39:10 asciilifeform: it is not hard to make a musl-based linux; i have this working with rotor

02:39:34 asciilifeform: the hard part is to make something that is a meaningful improvement in more than a strictly-hygienic sense

02:39:45 asciilifeform: that is, something that will run a workstation.

02:39:57 BingoBoingo: Aha

02:40:13 asciilifeform: AND without increasing daily work 1,001x-fold

02:40:35 asciilifeform: that is, on top of everything, it must contain something more or less equivalent to gentoo's 'portage'.

02:40:41 asciilifeform: and correctly resolve dependencies

03:02:49 trinque: shame that this "linux distro" work is expected to be free

03:03:06 trinque: I'd pay a guy like the gentleman that used to package Slackware a reasonable fee per release

03:03:22 trinque: I guess he still does, actually.

03:04:43 trinque: perhaps you could do a bidding system whereby packages are bid into the next release

03:05:12 trinque: heh, starts to look sort of like the blocksize thing and transaction fees

03:11:35 trinque: you could sell options.. perhaps someone wants to know he can get his package into the 3rd quarter release when it comes around, but his release date might slip

03:11:47 *: trinque dreams of market forces in computing again

03:19:42 asciilifeform: trinque: problem is that people are discrete.

03:21:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6929 @ 0.00076756 = 5.3184 BTC [-]

03:24:26 trinque: asciilifeform: meaning how do you price that guy's hour vs this guy's, or something else?

03:25:12 asciilifeform: no

03:25:29 asciilifeform: meaning that certain things can only be done effectively by folks who spend all or most of their time on them.

03:25:52 trinque: how else do you get someone to spend all their time on something than paying them?

03:25:57 asciilifeform: you pay.

03:26:31 trinque: I would agree it makes little sense to "maintain" a package for only a short duration contract

03:26:43 trinque: would take a longer interval of pondering to dream up a contract that'd work

03:27:29 asciilifeform: trinque: what are the actual economics you have in mind ?

03:27:38 asciilifeform: whereby this would be something other than a charity

03:27:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8446 @ 0.00076756 = 6.4828 BTC [-]

03:28:03 trinque: that a company exists which sells contracts to maintain packages on a certain distro

03:28:17 trinque: there's some market within which to purchase and trade this company's time

03:28:33 asciilifeform: where does the money in this market come from ?

03:28:44 asciilifeform: let's work a small example

03:29:06 asciilifeform: how much, in whatever currency, would trinque personally contribute to this scheme ?

03:29:20 trinque: lets say for nginx; I would pay 1k/yr

03:29:32 asciilifeform: for what, pertaining to nginx ?

03:29:51 asciilifeform: just the fact of it continuing to build ?

03:30:06 trinque: building it against libressl on #b-a linux and expedient building and backporting of fixes

03:30:13 trinque: or whatever the conditions may be

03:30:41 asciilifeform: fixes as published where ?

03:30:54 asciilifeform: this presumably includes somehow meaningfully vetting the published patches ?

03:31:25 asciilifeform: because ~this~ is reasonably a $k or more ~per~, at quite threadbare american market rates

03:31:44 asciilifeform: everyone wants the moon and the sun, but no one wants to pay for the,.

03:31:44 asciilifeform: m

03:32:09 trinque: could start with maintenance of the "ebuild" and nothing further; it really depends on the revenue

03:32:23 asciilifeform: what does 'maintenance of the ebuild' entail ?

03:32:29 trinque: and I don't see this working for a vast number of packages

03:32:55 trinque: asciilifeform: funneling upstream's work into released packages on #b-a linux

03:33:01 asciilifeform: see above

03:33:03 trinque: does this require a musl patch? does this ...

03:33:07 asciilifeform: if this is done blindly, it will be a disaster

03:33:16 asciilifeform: if it is done intelligently, it is easily $2-3K PER PATCH

03:38:34 trinque: if that's the cost, a contract to do the work would have to reflect it

03:38:49 asciilifeform: aha

03:39:00 trinque: and then if nobody buys it, doesn't get done

03:39:02 asciilifeform: the point i was trying to make,

03:39:07 asciilifeform: is that software is a lemon market.

03:39:20 asciilifeform: and that the things people turn out to be, in practice, actually willing to spend,

03:39:26 asciilifeform: barely buy a turd from the sidewalk.

03:40:41 trinque: yes, though I do continue to wonder how it'd do with an actual *market*

03:40:50 trinque: can't compare the cost of edible food with the turd

03:41:50 trinque: anyhow, perhaps someone will offer to sell his time maintaining something through the deedbot- buy/sell board I'm hacking on at the moment

03:42:36 asciilifeform: i'm sure that some idiot kid will eventually take your money.

03:42:41 asciilifeform: if 'someone' is all you need.

03:42:50 trinque: haha! well I know how to write a contract

03:42:56 trinque: and I don't pay kids up front

03:43:29 trinque: maybe anton_osika wants an honest way to earn back his 3 BTC, lol

03:43:37 trinque: I kid

03:46:31 trinque: one thing that clearly would not work is this sort of decentralized micro-payments bullshit I've heard proposed before

03:46:55 trinque: "gittip" or things in ideological proximity

03:47:33 trinque: because you're right, somebody doing a drive-by on nginx for a week is more harm than good

03:47:59 trinque: but without a market we have no fucking clue what the cost of this work is

03:48:09 trinque: rather, the price.

04:02:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00076617 = 31.2597 BTC [-] {2}

04:31:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00076228 = 24.6216 BTC [-] {2}

04:44:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17761 @ 0.00076267 = 13.5458 BTC [+]

05:02:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00076165 = 8.1497 BTC [-] {2}

05:24:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25449 @ 0.00076904 = 19.5713 BTC [+]

05:31:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.0007612 = 21.9226 BTC [-]

05:42:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4451 @ 0.00076904 = 3.423 BTC [+]

06:31:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00077294 = 27.3621 BTC [+] {3}

06:39:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00077381 = 25.381 BTC [+] {3}

06:41:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27339 @ 0.00076926 = 21.0308 BTC [-]

06:48:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54500 @ 0.00077704 = 42.3487 BTC [+] {4}

07:35:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43140 @ 0.0007751 = 33.4378 BTC [-]

07:38:31 phf: pkgsrc is another option, besides ebuild. they have some equivalent of use flags. i used it to run a unix stack on mac os x (fvwm, firefox, x11 emacs, etc.)

07:42:05 phf: a low hanging fruit that still satisfies ascii's requirements of 50000 package dependencies would be to build a linux substrate with a sane .config and userspace, which has all the necessary components to host pkgsrc

07:42:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17174 @ 0.00078009 = 13.3973 BTC [+]

08:19:40 cazalla: http://www.rt.com/news/315363-north-korea-us-nuclear/ one can only wish

08:19:41 assbot: N. Korea says ready to respond to US hostility 'with nuclear weapons anytime' — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y6G7W4 )

08:24:39 cazalla: ya gonna have to get in the wot Vexual, no longer am i doing this pm and !up business

08:52:53 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274328 <<< Can't wait to see this.

08:52:53 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 03:41:50; trinque: anyhow, perhaps someone will offer to sell his time maintaining something through the deedbot- buy/sell board I'm hacking on at the moment

09:00:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61600 @ 0.00078024 = 48.0628 BTC [+] {7}

09:06:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00077531 = 4.4193 BTC [-]

09:07:33 shinohai: ;;gettrust Vexual

09:07:34 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user shinohai to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=shinohai&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never

09:17:34 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJqbRPFVEAAXHEl.png

09:17:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OsvVTJ )

09:18:11 shinohai: Visual representation of how XT works?

09:55:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00077531 = 14.8472 BTC [-]

10:02:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.0007751 = 26.1984 BTC [-] {2}

10:03:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10728 @ 0.0007751 = 8.3153 BTC [-] {2}

10:12:25 punkman: http://blog.cimation.com/blog/data-diodes-and-security-in-the-real-world

10:12:27 assbot: Data Diodes and ICS Security in the Real World ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAyuDO )

10:16:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33036 @ 0.00077033 = 25.4486 BTC [-] {3}

10:30:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00076552 = 19.0614 BTC [-] {3}

10:30:56 punkman: Reporter: I feel like I ruin the IT guy's day every time I have to ask for something. Editor: No, all his days are like that.

10:33:23 punkman: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lve6ruv9C61qlmuluo1_1280.jpg

10:33:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KjQjjB )

10:34:29 shinohai: niiiiiiiiiiice

10:54:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.0007612 = 4.9859 BTC [-]

11:09:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45722 @ 0.0007612 = 34.8036 BTC [-]

11:23:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.0007612 = 10.3143 BTC [-]

12:09:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60500 @ 0.00076227 = 46.1173 BTC [+]

13:00:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15875 @ 0.0007612 = 12.0841 BTC [-]

13:10:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, i ended it.

13:21:26 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: So the people in #bitcoin-xt have <<< i'm like wtf, srsly ? /join #bitcoin-xt turns out there's one other guy there and williamdunne made the chan. lol. mkay.

13:23:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273847 << cuz at the time it wasn't exactly clear how this'd work (as the contract is a future on a yet nonexistent pair) and cuz i wanted it to be a negotiable instrument rather than a specified thing, specifically because that sort of vague future deal requires some room to wiggle.

13:23:58 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:23:57; thestringpuller: why not just build delivery into the contract as a fail-safe...

13:25:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273849 << two nines!

13:25:52 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:27:56; shinohai: fluffypony: "Seriously, wtf. even a retard can put the wallet.dat on DropBox and be 99% safer than this." <<< LOLZ

13:27:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273852 << i wish you would have known, and called it here six months early.

13:27:23 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:32:52; shinohai: I wish I had known about this place during the TradeFortress brouhaha. I called that one 6 months prior.

13:28:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273864 << that is a large part of it. nobody (but dead souls) was using it anyway. and so the absent reaction to the admission is, "Hey, they accepted it!11".

13:28:31 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:55:40; ascii_field: (or, for that matter, ~before~)

13:28:59 mircea_popescu: usg is roughly in the position of the guy lost on a deserted island, who comes out of the closet, toi the rocks and the palm trees.

13:29:14 mircea_popescu: much to his surprise, the blowback is significantly less thgan what he had expected!

13:29:55 mircea_popescu: [by virtue of nobody else being on that same island] apparently nobody wants to burn him at the stake!

13:31:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273865 << at what point did i say easy ? i deal in musts.

13:31:00 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:59:57; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273660 << this is monumentally harder than mircea_popescu seems to think it is. primarily on account of graphics.

13:31:43 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha that came out great. in romanian must = pre wine (stum).

13:31:55 mircea_popescu: so... im a wine merchant now! got my own mustarie.

13:33:26 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273684 << right back atcha :)

13:33:26 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 05:03:12; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski !לשׁנה טובה

13:33:33 mircea_popescu: and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate << how did you get the numbers asciilifeform ? for instance, shouldn't it be 16:9 ? so then why not 16000 : 9000 ? 8000:4500 ?

13:33:55 mircea_popescu: omaigawd jdifs stahp!!111

13:34:31 pete_dushenski: it's just a bit of desert tribe scribblies, nothing to fear

13:35:04 mircea_popescu: good lsnh ?

13:35:26 pete_dushenski: l'shana tova : happy new year :)

13:35:39 mircea_popescu: sooo...

13:36:02 mircea_popescu: aspiring ben can't even speal!

13:36:54 pete_dushenski: i dunno where the el apostrophe comes from, to be honest

13:37:12 mircea_popescu: clearly ben needs some parts cut off.

13:37:21 pete_dushenski: shana tova = 'a good year' to be more precise

13:37:37 pete_dushenski: "L'shanah tovah tikatevu" means "May you be inscribed for a good year"

13:37:51 mircea_popescu: prolly what happened

13:37:52 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that's not my call

13:38:05 pete_dushenski: the parts, that is

13:38:34 mircea_popescu: do we even have an official b-a moyle ?

13:38:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.0007612 = 8.4493 BTC [-]

13:38:50 pete_dushenski: my whole city doesn't have one.

13:38:57 pete_dushenski: ~1mn peeps

13:39:01 pete_dushenski: 'peeps

13:39:03 pete_dushenski: '

13:39:05 mircea_popescu: yeah, the thing's going away.

13:39:35 pete_dushenski: where to ? progress ?

13:39:52 mircea_popescu: i dunno

13:39:57 pete_dushenski: that's like saying kosher's going away

13:40:55 pete_dushenski: i obviously care neither for moyle nor two sets of dishes, but plenty of people believe in childish fractals

13:41:27 pete_dushenski: til : In many parts of the English speaking world (UK, Ireland, Australia, Canada, and South Africa) “practice” is the noun, “practise” the verb.

13:41:34 mircea_popescu: well yeah

13:42:30 pete_dushenski: i was toiling under the impression that it was the 's' was the british spelling and 'c' the american

13:42:35 pete_dushenski: which is only partially true

13:42:48 pete_dushenski: americans will use 'c' for both noun and verb, brits differentiate

13:43:11 mircea_popescu: aha.

13:43:53 mircea_popescu: here is his practice where he practises medicine.

13:44:11 pete_dushenski: precisement

13:44:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273880 << quite very much this.

13:44:38 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:06:01; ascii_field: something that, were it to exist, would let #b-a folks set the bozo bit on the rest of the so-called linux komyooniti

13:44:58 mircea_popescu: it does not need to serve any practical function other than, allowing people so willing to set the bozo bit on the idiot club.

13:45:13 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ9SWCvK5ag << vomit. twitchy. fast. ruineeed.

13:45:14 assbot: StarCraft II: Legacy of the Void - Allied Commanders Preview - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU2qrY )

13:45:15 mircea_popescu: not eating with the animals is a very important health practice

13:45:59 mircea_popescu: the difference between "at mercy of parasites" and "reasonably healthy" is strictly predicated on "not commensal with beasts of the field"

13:46:05 pete_dushenski: i knew that public health training was going to come in handy, but i didn't expect that it be on computers !

13:46:11 mircea_popescu: :)

13:46:28 mircea_popescu: i dunno that anyone but anthropologists even conceptualize interspecies commensalism.

13:47:09 pete_dushenski: prolly just them

13:47:43 mircea_popescu: but there was a time, people and jackals ate the same three day old carcasses.

13:48:35 mircea_popescu: there was a time, actually, botulism killed more people than disentery.

13:48:44 mircea_popescu: that's a very advanced disease, comparatively.

13:48:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00076227 = 34.6071 BTC [+]

13:49:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00077072 = 23.7382 BTC [+] {4}

13:50:32 pete_dushenski: well botulism isn't hard to acquire when you're stuffing umbilical cord stumps with dirt

13:50:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.0007759 = 17.7293 BTC [+] {3}

13:51:04 pete_dushenski: or feeding babies honey

13:52:26 mircea_popescu: that latter especially.

13:53:05 mircea_popescu: (unlike adults, infants do not have a means of protection and so the bacterium can inhabit their gut and poison them.)

13:53:50 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274437 << if 'it does not need to serve any practical function', then mircea_popescu is in luck! i already have this system! it is even a lisp machine! >>>>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405

13:53:50 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:44:58; mircea_popescu: it does not need to serve any practical function other than, allowing people so willing to set the bozo bit on the idiot club.

13:53:53 assbot: Loper OS » The Simplest Lisp Machine ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU3ZpG )

13:54:23 mircea_popescu: lol

13:54:33 *: mircea_popescu wouldn't mind using that on a few skulls, so. progress!

13:54:43 asciilifeform: aha, why do you think i wrote it

13:55:04 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274402 << i rounded, of course. thing is, nobody makes this in ONE ips panel, if anyone did, i would own it. i have tiles.

13:55:04 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:33:33; mircea_popescu: and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate << how did you get the numbers asciilifeform ? for instance, shouldn't it be 16:9 ? so then why not 16000 : 9000 ? 8000:4500 ?

13:55:44 mircea_popescu: so you... DO use it ?

13:55:57 asciilifeform: use what

13:56:16 mircea_popescu: "unless it runs 10k x 5k i won't use it, except i do".

13:56:21 asciilifeform: well it runs

13:56:38 asciilifeform: just with years of non-replicable sweat behind it.

13:57:16 mircea_popescu: aha. this, incidentally. it's fucking medieval, you know, for man to work a day and at the end of it to have less than a day's work to show for it.

13:57:24 mircea_popescu: the fucking idea is to get POSITIVE leverage for crying out loud

13:57:31 mircea_popescu: not leverage that delevers you.

13:57:40 asciilifeform: entirely medieval. but no different from, say, studying mathematics.

13:57:49 mircea_popescu: very different!

13:57:53 asciilifeform: it isn't like you can spit it out in pill form for someone to swallow, after you learn it

13:58:04 mircea_popescu: STUDY IS NOT WORK!

13:58:05 asciilifeform: (a couplea days ago somebody just about asked for this)

13:58:25 asciilifeform: but yes, medieval, plowing field with half an ox and bare hands, etc.

13:58:36 mircea_popescu: the notion that "study is just another kind of work" belongs in the same burning pile with "paper is just another kind of money"

13:59:06 mircea_popescu: study is just another kind OF PLAY ; and paper is just another kind of TP.

13:59:08 asciilifeform: in a sense this was study, just not of a kind anyone would wish for. i.e. i could re-make the thing if it burned down.

13:59:15 asciilifeform: (at somewhat astonishing expense)

13:59:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point of study isn't "memorize this list of bugs"

13:59:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i fucking wrote this

13:59:45 mircea_popescu: NOYOUDIDNT :D

14:00:05 *: mircea_popescu is being contradictory today.

14:00:07 asciilifeform: l0lz

14:00:10 mircea_popescu: yeah i know you wrote it, i read it!

14:00:24 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274383 << guessed as much.

14:00:24 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:10:44; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, i ended it.

14:01:15 mircea_popescu: which leaves phuctor in dire need of a new home. unless anyone comes forward with something (hey jurov what's the word there ?) i guess ima get another box at another dubious provider

14:01:20 mircea_popescu: perhaps to have the same conversation pre-xmas.

14:01:26 asciilifeform: aha lol

14:01:34 mircea_popescu: what am i to do.

14:02:16 asciilifeform: i could get a colo box here but at ruinous cost.

14:03:02 mircea_popescu: why would i contribute to us gdp ?!

14:03:11 asciilifeform: this also.

14:03:25 mircea_popescu: nah, no us, no china, no russia. let the non-idiots have a chance.

14:03:36 asciilifeform: then again, wasn't mircea_popescu the sole remaining sponsor of 'bitpay' et al... ?

14:03:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this leaves who? tanzania ?

14:04:05 mircea_popescu: not the sole, but a significant one with very modest expense for the lolz.

14:04:15 mircea_popescu: i'd love one in tanzania, sure.

14:04:25 asciilifeform: in all seriousness, that would be spiffy

14:04:29 mircea_popescu: yep.

14:04:48 *: asciilifeform wonders whether nigeria might have one

14:05:10 mircea_popescu: Princely Domain Hostings LLC INC

14:05:20 asciilifeform: ahahahahahaha

14:05:32 asciilifeform: ''So here are five perfectly good reasons why Trump would make one fine Prezz. But he needs a running mate. Now, wouldn't it be a fine thing to have a woman Vice-Prezz? It's been two election cycles since a spectacularly dumb bimbo?Sarah Palin?came within a few percentage points of the Vice-Prezzidency; maybe it's time to try again. And so I propose Kim Kardashian as Trump's running mate. Not Kim Kardashian herself?she d

14:05:32 asciilifeform: oesn't amount to much?but, more specifically, her amazing ass. She has a stunning derri?re that I am sure will make America feel proud again. Further, I propose that Trump marry her ass, and make a sort of national royal ass-family. She'd be the Vice-Prezz and the First Lady-Ass?killing two birds with one ass, if you will! Yes, it would require another tweak to the marriage laws to make it possible for a man and a woman's

14:05:32 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

14:05:33 asciilifeform: buttocks to join in holy matrimony. But the Supreme Court seems game for such tweaks, and, as an added benefit, when time comes for Mr. Trump to divorce (as it invariably has), the Pope would be only too happy to annul such a union.'

14:05:38 mircea_popescu: (if i actually lived there and was doing a dc business, 100% what i'd call it.)

14:05:39 asciilifeform: ^ from the dept. of orl0lz

14:05:46 asciilifeform: ( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/09/trump-for-prezz.html )

14:05:48 assbot: ClubOrlov: Trump for Prezz ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU6GHU )

14:05:56 mircea_popescu: dude how is palin a bimbo.

14:06:08 mircea_popescu: some word usage propriety, plox.

14:06:32 asciilifeform: in usa that is more or less what the word means

14:06:41 mircea_popescu: no it isn't.

14:06:51 mircea_popescu: palin was a soccer mom, if you must.

14:07:02 asciilifeform: before this, was a beauty contest contender, iirc

14:07:12 mircea_popescu: that is STILL not a bimbo.

14:07:28 *: asciilifeform puts on list to ask colleagues 'what is bimbo'

14:07:32 mircea_popescu: except of course if one's the sort of sexually frustrated guy that lives on a boat with a broken down engine

14:07:44 mircea_popescu: you ever saw married with children ?

14:07:47 asciilifeform: nope

14:07:52 mircea_popescu: christina applegate did the definitive bimbo.

14:08:13 mircea_popescu: a) sexually interesting ; b) sexually active ; c) very stupid. to life-threatening levels.

14:08:56 asciilifeform: hm.

14:09:21 mircea_popescu: a bimbo is the sort of woman that will drop a hot cast iron pot on your foot sending you to hospital for six weeks because you offered her flowers.

14:09:34 mircea_popescu: not some derpy mommy blogger from alaska

14:10:09 asciilifeform: but she was not born 'mommy blogger', no?

14:10:24 asciilifeform: much as a 70 y.o. whore is still a whore even in retirement

14:10:28 asciilifeform: even if no clients?

14:10:41 mircea_popescu: she can be, but it's not guaranteed.

14:10:46 mircea_popescu: she can also be someone's mom.

14:11:06 mircea_popescu: women change. that's the essence of womanhood.

14:13:12 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-09-2015#1266930 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266933 <--> http://qntra.net/2015/09/microsoft-preemptively-download-windows-10-on-machines/ << lots of room for zoology eh ;/

14:13:12 assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 01:27:15; mats: howbout reasons why win10 ain't so bad as win7, 8, 8.1.

14:13:12 assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 01:27:35; mats: not because i'm trying to convince anyone to use it, but maybe, zoological purposes

14:13:13 assbot: Microsoft Preemptively Downloads Windows 10 On Windows 7 and 8 Boxes | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqMSBP )

14:13:58 mircea_popescu: lol microsoft is mandatory.

14:14:07 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and you watched married with children ?? they showed this in romania ?

14:14:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273883 << debian sarge was it. and possibly woody.

14:14:16 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:06:56; ascii_field: debian was never it.

14:14:17 pete_dushenski: i watched with dad growing up

14:14:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mno. FUCK running other people's binaries.

14:14:44 asciilifeform: if i wanted to eat pre-chewed food i know where to do.

14:14:45 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski wouldn't go as far as watched, but it was immensely popular and i am culturally aware.

14:14:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was available in source@

14:15:06 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEzums6Iu3k << christina applegate bimbotronic

14:15:07 assbot: Kelly Hotness Compilation (Christina Applegate) Married with Children - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU8QY4 )

14:15:07 asciilifeform: everything is 'available' in source

14:15:19 mircea_popescu: mno.

14:15:20 asciilifeform: i'm talking about source being THE supported package installation mechanism.

14:15:26 pete_dushenski: bascially, turboslut

14:15:27 mircea_popescu: it... was.

14:15:47 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ah superneat.

14:16:01 asciilifeform: yeah but 1) not exclusively or even very preferentially and 2) weird pre-debianized packages of src

14:16:12 mircea_popescu: IT WAS 2005!!11

14:16:20 mircea_popescu: what did you want them to do, github ?!

14:16:21 asciilifeform: gentoo built on ~generic~ tar.gz plus patches.

14:16:29 asciilifeform: sorta like us.

14:16:35 mircea_popescu: at the time it looked like they might go somewhere with it.

14:16:39 mircea_popescu: so benefit of doubt

14:16:57 mircea_popescu: but read the fucking old ml, nobody goes "here, try this binary", it's always "add this, recompile, say what happens"

14:17:16 asciilifeform: dev ml is always this

14:17:18 asciilifeform: how else.

14:17:20 mircea_popescu: heck, are the mls even still visible from this ever-so-useful www

14:17:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok so then ?!

14:17:38 asciilifeform: it was a 'poor man's gentoo' yes

14:17:44 asciilifeform: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/sep/15/half-uk-banknotes-used-to-fund-shadow-economy << mega-l0l

14:17:45 assbot: Half of UK banknotes used to fund shadow economy | Money | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU9xRa )

14:17:48 mircea_popescu: no it wasn't.

14:17:57 mircea_popescu: omg i'm not redoing decade old holy wars ffs.

14:18:25 asciilifeform: http://ledgerjournal.org/ojs/index.php/ledger << s0mebody reads the logz, rips off deedbot

14:18:27 assbot: Ledger ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU9HYM )

14:18:42 asciilifeform: (to no very constructive end)

14:18:57 mircea_popescu: and forgets to mention where he got the idea. and OF COURSE to no very constructive end.

14:19:01 *: mircea_popescu goes off to quote

14:19:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the day one of these ~mentions where he got the idea~ i will probably have to fly to the office on my pig.

14:20:16 mircea_popescu: " I readily understand the vanity involved, nevertheless let me point out to you that it's actually to your detriment to attempt to separate yourself from the source of things you like. "

14:20:39 mircea_popescu: somehow this point is very hard to grok for the DKs.

14:21:00 mircea_popescu: finding el dorado and RUNNING OFF with a chunk of gold you found in the street is NOT how you get rich.

14:21:08 mircea_popescu: it's how you make yourself poor against god's patent will.

14:21:31 asciilifeform: the likely objective was 'keep the other louts from getting rich and cancelling mine'

14:21:47 mircea_popescu: yeah, that's how you do it.

14:22:04 mircea_popescu: italy found america first, never told anyone, was rich

14:22:10 mircea_popescu: then portugal and spain, told, were poor.

14:22:18 mircea_popescu: very italian logic, this, incidentally.

14:26:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273901 << incidentally, you got those RE'd ?

14:26:43 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:13:08; ascii_field: assuming my hardware RAID cards continue to work

14:26:54 asciilifeform: partially

14:27:05 mircea_popescu: contrary to the more or less agreement seems to be (video) i suspect raid may be a worse tarpit.

14:27:15 mircea_popescu: fucking byzantine insanity that field.

14:27:19 asciilifeform: re on something like a raid or gpu is a very frustrating experience

14:27:26 mircea_popescu: aha.

14:27:34 asciilifeform: because 95%+ of the firmware consists of 'pokes' to set magic registers.

14:27:36 mircea_popescu: but at least you're not asked to re ram

14:27:46 asciilifeform: ram is deadly simple.

14:27:48 pete_dushenski: "Last year I intended to transfer £760 from the Halifax to my Nationwide account. Unfortunately, I mistyped a digit of the account number and the money went to a stranger." << another anton

14:27:53 asciilifeform: look at it under microscope some time

14:28:08 asciilifeform: it isn't even secret in the usual sense

14:28:12 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski that never fucking happens. it's rank nonsense.

14:28:19 asciilifeform: (data sheet will often tell you far more than you would ever wish to know)

14:28:29 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: never happens in fiat ?

14:29:13 mircea_popescu: in my entire busienss experience something of that description happened exactly once ; it was a customer of MY SAME BANK using the short form slips they have (not the full iban, just the acct #) and sent money to me instead of his intended recipient. the bank asked me if i am releasing it, which i did, and it was done the same day.

14:29:30 pete_dushenski: maybe 'the guardian' just wants to inform more tards of their unpreparedness for crypto. not a bad service, i guess (tm)

14:30:02 mircea_popescu: but as it is, the payment won't clear (ie, won't leave sending bank to go to receiving bank) unless the name and number match.

14:30:13 mircea_popescu: (which is chiefly why they give you a slot to put an intended name in)

14:30:30 pete_dushenski: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/sep/15/mistype-digit-nationwide-lost-money << ref/

14:30:31 assbot: I have lost £760 by mistyping a single digit … and Nationwide won’t give it back | Money | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OUcFMH )

14:30:39 mircea_popescu: and whenever a new ditz was hired to do paperwork, and she fucked this up, the bank rep would call me to fix it.

14:31:22 mircea_popescu: how the fuck is ~1k news ?

14:31:24 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: makes complete sense

14:31:39 mircea_popescu: dude the guardian is ever less attention worthy.

14:31:42 pete_dushenski: sorry, no, the 'news' doth not, the form doth

14:32:36 pete_dushenski: and $1k is news because it caters to the masses of improverished minds and souls

14:32:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273904 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-09-2015#1271095 ?! nigga, pleze.

14:32:47 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:14:29; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273671 << the closest thing presently existing is 'mathematica'.

14:32:47 assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 06:27:51; mircea_popescu: "Fractal -- from Wolfram MathWorld mathworld.wolfram.com/Fractal.html‎ A fractal is an object or quantity that displays self-similarity, in a somewhat technical sense, on all scales. The object need not exhibit exactly the same structure ..."

14:32:52 pete_dushenski: no information is provided, nor is not to be obtained by digging.

14:33:02 pete_dushenski: the guardian is basically the pampers diaper website

14:33:17 pete_dushenski: a vacuous noisehole devoid of meaning and value

14:33:19 kakobrekla: >slot to put an intended name in < i can put a space in that field when in online bank as it should not be blank - and it works. i wonder if this would pass a bank worker. "no no, i did write empty spaces there"

14:33:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~mathematica~. not the wiki maintained by wolfram's sex toy interns.

14:33:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is a proggy, that actually does most mathematical manipulations formally described in any book.

14:33:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273906 ?<< ofcourseitis! that's why i even mention it. much like the "well, if we wanna change blocks, THESE things need to be looked at". if you want "formal systems", here you start.

14:33:57 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:15:09; ascii_field: this, incidentally, is ~the~ bar for formalization. IFF you can do it on a computer, then ~possibly~ you really have a formal handle on the mechanics. but NOT before then.

14:34:04 pete_dushenski: both of which (guardian+pamers) provide a panem et circenses effect. period.

14:34:06 asciilifeform: sorta like 'derive' but elephantine.

14:34:16 mircea_popescu: obviously the fact that the road is observably long and the first steps haven't been made is somewhat concerning

14:34:25 mircea_popescu: but it is concerning asto the sanity of the would be "travellers"

14:34:31 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274406 <<< שָׁנָה טוֹבָה וּמְתוּקָה pete_dushenski

14:34:31 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:35:26; pete_dushenski: l'shana tova : happy new year :)

14:34:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah okay.

14:35:10 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol you can leave it blank, i occasionalyl did, but you really shouldn't.

14:35:10 pete_dushenski: shinohai: cheers mate :)

14:35:26 mircea_popescu: because odds are you'll go back to the clerk to fix it for you and he'll be... WELL WHY THE FUCK DID YOU NOT USE THE SAFEGUARD

14:36:07 mircea_popescu: (in practice he'll warn you this makes it a bearer instrument. which is not technically correct, but conveys the point.)

14:37:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00076614 = 14.2502 BTC [-]

14:38:09 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: plz no more links to 'the guardian', i'm begging you. you post something, i start digging, and i end up woefully riled up at the rampant and despotic idiocy of that once fair island

14:38:28 pete_dushenski: same as 'bater' chick

14:38:36 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski but YOU linked it ?!

14:39:01 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274571 << but HE STARTED IT!!1

14:39:01 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:17:44; asciilifeform: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/sep/15/half-uk-banknotes-used-to-fund-shadow-economy << mega-l0l

14:39:20 mircea_popescu: oic.

14:39:48 pete_dushenski: of course, asciilifeform can link what he wants

14:40:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273916 << in fairness this was before his script.

14:40:14 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:18:08; ascii_field: ~i~ can. trinque apparently can. mircea_popescu iirc was not able to. and hanbot also did not.

14:40:27 pete_dushenski: this is perhaps a personal and public castigation of myself, and a reminder to future me not to click on the clickbait!

14:40:30 mircea_popescu: or w/e it is. trinque where does the recipe or whatever it is live ? link ?

14:41:02 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i used to follow the "press" links in here. now i mostly ignore them. shit's unreadable.

14:41:11 pete_dushenski: but i'm off into the meat. later gang!

14:42:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273925 << quite.

14:42:04 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:20:33; ascii_field: trinque: my understanding is that mircea_popescu would like a linux that is analogous to what we did with therealbitcoin. where the tree is frozen, all arguably-superfluous things are jettisoned, and any further changes must come from wot folk.

14:42:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273927 << that's basically alf's argument.

14:42:29 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:22:28; kakobrekla: imma guess we are phucked without standard hw. also phucked with (for other obvious reasons)

14:47:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273971 << i lolled.

14:47:44 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:45:06; ascii_field: trinque: if i wanted to build things by hand, and resolve dependency hells by hand, i'd be using buildroot linux.

14:48:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273976 <<< wwwwait. they fit in head ?

14:48:09 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:45:47; ascii_field: trinque: for the 50,000 or so packages which i use ?!?!!

14:48:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273980 << like eulora needs more noob players. the thing is... very +EV to play as a noob.

14:48:53 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:46:37; thestringpuller: need more cult members

14:51:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274025 << this somehow seems problematic to me.

14:51:16 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 18:01:16; ascii_field: and it takes a dozen runs or more, to arrive at a usable chip.

14:51:27 mircea_popescu: in the following sense :

14:52:05 mircea_popescu: it's true that organic complex systems take a number of tries to arrive at a result. but that sort of failure rate is not seen in nature - woman doesn't abort 10 for every one it carries to term. aborts less than half.

14:52:32 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in engineering people obviously went from building bridges that sometimes stood up to building bridges that almost always stay up.

14:52:55 mircea_popescu: however, back in the day when 9 oiut of 10 bridges DIDNT stay up, there didn't even exist bridgebuilding as a distinct and named activity.

14:53:12 mircea_popescu: yet somehow the proposition is that "usg" has a sort of control over an activity which generally fails.

14:53:22 mircea_popescu: this is not possible in nature.

14:53:38 mircea_popescu: so, perhaps cheaper than "make your own si fab" : make one that works, eat their pie.

14:53:40 kakobrekla: > building bridges that almost always stay up. < this is due to chinafication. need it as cheap and as fast as possible, other parameters irrelevant.

14:53:56 mircea_popescu: mebbe.

14:54:13 mircea_popescu: was thinking more of stuff like tay bridge

14:54:31 mircea_popescu: (china wasn't invented yet, but yes, cheap fast nevermind school of engineering)

14:54:34 mircea_popescu: CFE!

14:54:43 mircea_popescu: uh. i mean. CFN engineering.

14:55:56 kakobrekla: at least thats what i get from my contacts in the bezzle.

14:59:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274035 <<< but then again that can be 20 BTC, on the internet.

14:59:10 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 18:09:08; ascii_field: but it is very clear, from their www, that it is a 'if you have to ask for prices, you can't afford this' affair.

15:00:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274048 << perhaps these people also don't understand how p2p works.

15:00:09 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 18:14:25; ascii_field: MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in.

15:00:22 mircea_popescu: yes, you will download Derpy Adventures 17 whether you intend to watch it or not!

15:03:06 shinohai: "My gf said she was bad and needed to be punished, so I installed Windows 10 on her laptop."

15:10:51 funkenstein_: ls

15:12:36 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274479 <-- "scholastes", apparently meant "leisure", that's the story on the street anyway my Greek not good enough

15:12:36 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:59:06; mircea_popescu: study is just another kind OF PLAY ; and paper is just another kind of TP.

15:13:26 funkenstein_: I speak physics however: play is work. Energy expended = force * distance = work.

15:14:15 mircea_popescu: Energy expended = force * distance = lucru mecanic. not just work - "mechanical work", aka, that fiction.

15:14:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38566 @ 0.00077711 = 29.97 BTC [+] {3}

15:15:28 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274082 << discover the shitty walpaint drops off particles, try and fix it, discover it's not so easily fixed and your walls are porous, reconstruct your room out of sheet aluminum, etc.

15:15:28 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 19:22:25; BingoBoingo: Spare bedroom, pull up carpet, make vestibule, vacuum obsessively, start negative pressure fans, vacuum some more, find iso guides to class your new cleanroom.

15:15:58 mircea_popescu: a mini-cleanroom is to be made in your yard out of shipping containers.

15:17:40 mircea_popescu: lol that entire convo was entertaining. "they snuck in the clean room and made out!!1"

15:20:15 mircea_popescu: anyway, very fucking unclear what it'd be useful or usable for, past emergency field surgery.

15:24:09 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyway, very fucking unclear what it'd be useful or usable for, past emergency field surgery. << Any other pursuit that fits the space and makes messes.

15:24:30 BingoBoingo: But I guess shipping container would be much cheaper

15:24:33 mircea_popescu: you never make a mess in a clean room

15:24:40 mircea_popescu: heck you can't even take a notebook in there.

15:28:02 BingoBoingo: Of course so long as you want it to stay a clean room, but eventually gotta end the cleanroom some way.

15:28:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274109 << ironically, the "jefferson"/jewish sabbatical/etc arguments re debts neatly reduce to a "the people are too stupid to be allowed to take real debt".

15:28:30 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 19:51:41; phf: anton_osika thread reminds me of thomas jefferson arguing for debt relief while heavily indebted, he also uses "this is best for the people" argument, with the main difference that the debt question was at the time open, where's what osika is arguing against is the core idea of gpg contracts. the point of the thread has been fully answered in gpg contracts article and with a poetic take in hanbot's story, both

15:28:55 mircea_popescu: which, considering it goes with the rest of the "people are too stupid to own real guns, real computers, etc" trend

15:29:21 mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised it's not here yet. but perhaps the roll up of the "college debt" nonsense will come to that : people get auto-ressetting debt on a 7 yo period.

15:29:38 mircea_popescu: and then one needn't explain why interest rates are 20-50% pa for some schmucks, and yet "0.0%" for thje fed.

15:30:03 mircea_popescu: this connection between one interest and another interest is most embarassing to the usg, in the way it keeps exposing the hush hush inflation problem.

15:30:36 mircea_popescu: (inflation being, of course, just the monetary equivalent of "stealing the having been stolen from". people do a pretty decent job of managing to forget their parents lived better than they will.)

15:38:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274146 << see, if naggum had the fucking sense to stick around...

15:38:18 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 21:24:02; phf: i suppose one half of b-a should start on a linux distro and the other work on cl-emacs naggum always wanted *ducks*

15:38:30 mircea_popescu: if there's a good argument against suicide, naggum-b-a might be it.

15:42:06 mircea_popescu: http://orig15.deviantart.net/58c6/f/2012/243/f/2/raudan_valmistus_by_jarkko1-d5d2l2v.jpg << fuck yeah.

15:42:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaLyd2 )

15:42:31 mircea_popescu: he cheats with the chicken wire tho

15:45:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274155 the internet popularity of 1984 (itself a byproduct of the wachowksi brothers being insane) accounts entirely for his being a thing.

15:45:47 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 21:29:46; gernika: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272365 << Incidentally I attempted to look up Mr. Blair in the 1958 ed. of Encyclopedia Brittanica and could find nothing on him. Apparently he was not yet notable by then. Would love to know what the editorial verdict would have been.

15:46:23 mircea_popescu: (for the record the book isn't very good, but hey. pulp fiction._

15:53:12 funkenstein_: On the literature tip, /me wonders if any RU speakers have tried Звенящие кедры России

15:53:31 funkenstein_: aka Анастасия

15:57:18 gernika: He must have been *something* of a thing to have been assigned reading pre-internet. Also there was the well known MacIntosh commercial. I must admit to being completely unaware of his internet cachet.

16:00:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115700 @ 0.00076134 = 88.087 BTC [-] {5}

16:02:39 gernika: I probably just liked it because of the sex.

16:09:10 mircea_popescu: in preference over what, henry miller ?

16:09:47 gernika: Girl gave me henry miller 4 years later :(

16:10:08 mircea_popescu: kinda how that works. like herpes.

16:10:22 gernika: lol

16:11:08 mircea_popescu: incidentally, heh, the days ridley scott was directing jobs' signle shot ad campaigns.

16:11:36 mircea_popescu: i maintain that apple's exactly ONLY know how was "how to get roi on advertising".

16:11:49 mircea_popescu: that's all they ever did right. not a tiny thing, either, but has exactly 0 to do with tech.

16:13:13 mircea_popescu: (the chick in that ad, btw, Anya Major, is probably best known to the audience as the russki chick in elton john's stupid nikita thing)

16:22:59 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b3

16:24:54 lobbes: ^^ nifty! wd trinque

16:36:01 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

16:38:13 lobbes: !up analmaster

16:38:22 ascii_field: analmaster !

16:38:23 analmaster: ahoy

16:38:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2915 @ 0.00076036 = 2.2164 BTC [-]

16:38:56 analmaster: https://github.com/JonDoNym/peinjector

16:38:57 assbot: JonDoNym/peinjector · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1iMBRe2 )

16:39:05 analmaster: oh nevermind i thought that said penis injector

16:39:42 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274660 << my cpu doesn't either

16:39:42 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:48:09; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273976 <<< wwwwait. they fit in head ?

16:40:44 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274672 << if only! the real trouble is that many things in engineering are not actually amenable to accurate simulation.

16:40:44 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:53:38; mircea_popescu: so, perhaps cheaper than "make your own si fab" : make one that works, eat their pie.

16:40:57 ascii_field: see the old chemical sim discussion for some of the reasons why

16:43:00 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274669 << see old thread where i compared chipmaking to satellite launch. they are very similar activities, in having unpredictable, largely unpreventable, and very high failure rate.

16:43:00 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:52:55; mircea_popescu: however, back in the day when 9 oiut of 10 bridges DIDNT stay up, there didn't even exist bridgebuilding as a distinct and named activity.

16:43:14 ascii_field: plus ruinous expense.

16:46:55 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274708 << they don't forget - how could they, living in their mother's houses. but they do, afaik, see it as something like a natural disaster, rather than malfeasance

16:46:55 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 15:30:36; mircea_popescu: (inflation being, of course, just the monetary equivalent of "stealing the having been stolen from". people do a pretty decent job of managing to forget their parents lived better than they will.)

16:48:19 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274711 << naggum ~had~ something like #b-a - comp.lang.lisp. very similar mix of brain.

16:48:19 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 15:38:30; mircea_popescu: if there's a good argument against suicide, naggum-b-a might be it.

16:53:28 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274729 << you can say this until you turn blue, but they ARE THE ONLY REMAINING UNIX WORKSTATION VENDOR

16:53:28 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 16:11:49; mircea_popescu: that's all they ever did right. not a tiny thing, either, but has exactly 0 to do with tech.

16:53:44 ascii_field: yes, some of us know how to make unix workstation out of dirt

16:53:54 ascii_field: like that fella who knows how to make a working kalash from a shovel

16:53:56 ascii_field: (see log)

16:54:01 ascii_field: but this is neither here nor there

16:54:44 ascii_field: at one point there was hp, sgi, sun, buncha others now forgotten (sony NEWS ! yes) but today it's apple.

16:54:47 ascii_field: and that's it.

16:59:17 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski

16:59:17 gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.

16:59:37 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/live/2015/sep/15/jarryd-hayne-san-francisco-49ers-debut-against-minnesota-vikings#block-55f79179e4b0dd400d532de1

16:59:38 assbot: Jarryd Hayne's debut as seen in Australia: a fumble, flags and breaks – as it happened | Sport | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkN3EF )

16:59:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:01:45 BingoBoingo: "Kaepernick goes wide. And there?s another break. Everyone has a drink. My, there are some breaks. More breaks than Alcatraz."

17:02:27 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: what does 'go wide' mean ?

17:03:01 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Move laterally on the field away from the central disputed territory so that you might catch the pass away from defenders

17:03:40 ascii_field: what is the name for the opposite move ?

17:04:04 BingoBoingo: Go Deep

17:04:36 BingoBoingo: Or Rush down the center (done while carrying a ball handed to you)

17:06:14 BingoBoingo: At least half the time thrown footballs don't get caught anyways

17:06:17 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

17:06:58 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274680 << if 5k usd could make a working and USEFUL ic, i think we would each here have one, and would be arguing over their merits, posting from them !

17:06:58 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:59:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274035 <<< but then again that can be 20 BTC, on the internet.

17:08:18 ascii_field: as it is, you gotta understand that yields are nowhere near 100% and especially not in a discount factory primarily used by students graded on a curve.

17:08:23 ascii_field: (who do you think goes there)

17:08:40 ascii_field: and that is assuming a FLAWLESS design

17:08:59 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 11.28000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b4

17:10:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00076036 = 11.8616 BTC [-]

17:11:29 BingoBoingo: !up analmaster

17:11:34 mircea_popescu: http://pjmedia.com/blog/fcc-commissioner-free-content-might-violate-agencys-internet-conduct-standard/ << for the lulz

17:11:36 assbot: FCC Commissioner: Free Content Might Violate 'Conduct Standard’ | PJ Media ... ( http://bit.ly/1isZmJb )

17:12:26 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217729

17:12:26 assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 12:58:47; asciilifeform: obligatory: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 << where we are headed.

17:13:04 ascii_field: gotta love the spin, 'free content illegal'

17:13:15 ascii_field: whereas just as factually it is 'charge for some bytes but not others'

17:13:37 BingoBoingo: The more I play with TI-92 the more I wish it was still more of a "desktop" calculator with keyboard, mouse, and montior

17:13:47 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: easy to get

17:13:56 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: download the rom (see logs) and run the emulator.

17:13:57 *: BingoBoingo wonders if TI-92 ROM can be made to boot on old Macintosh

17:14:01 ascii_field: runs fine on a 486

17:14:20 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: it will not boot a mac. not only entirely different peripherals, but slightly differing cpu

17:14:36 ascii_field: but it will run beautifully on emulator. of which there are at least a dozen.

17:14:46 ascii_field: even for some phones

17:14:49 *: BingoBoingo actually wondering if a "coldfire" board can be used to make such a machine

17:15:07 ascii_field: again, not entirely same cpu

17:15:13 ascii_field: closest thing is probably 'amiga'

17:15:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00076036 = 28.2094 BTC [-]

17:15:31 BingoBoingo: I've got a lot of wondering to do

17:16:07 BingoBoingo: But not interested in computer that runs calculator software so much as calculator that scales up to computer.

17:17:06 mircea_popescu: http://secgroup.dais.unive.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Practical-Padding-Oracle-Attacks-on-RSA.html << great article btw.

17:17:07 assbot: Practical Padding Oracle Attacks on RSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqPsI8 )

17:17:28 mircea_popescu: in the "all leaks are catastrophic leaks" school of cryptoplumbing

17:17:30 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha

17:17:35 ascii_field: i linked it for a reason.

17:18:44 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> unpredictable, largely unpreventable, and very high failure rate. << there is no such thing.

17:18:51 mircea_popescu: all that says is "bad engineering". no exceptions.

17:19:10 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: go and grow perfect si crystal, and do a perfect litho on it, and come back ?

17:19:21 ascii_field: collect the remaining riches of the world.

17:19:31 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> naggum ~had~ something like #b-a - comp.lang.lisp. very similar mix of brain. << not unlike saying you have si in your fridge. there's bottles there, very similar "mix of atoms".

17:19:35 mircea_popescu: the structure is what matters.

17:19:39 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> mircea_popescu: go and grow perfect si crystal, and do a perfect litho on it, and come back ? << ANd biology isn't relevant to Bitcoin?

17:19:56 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: biology is terrible example here

17:20:08 ascii_field: where of 10,000 seeds, one grows, etc.

17:20:12 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't need to lay an egg to tell you this one's rotten.

17:20:20 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Nah, you gotta understand when Intel goes bust USG will have monsanto to fab chips

17:20:36 mircea_popescu: also, no plant known has a 1 in 10k germination rate.

17:20:41 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: intel will go bust shortly after the mongols water their horses in the potomac

17:21:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21324 @ 0.00076905 = 16.3992 BTC [+] {3}

17:21:57 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: true. but si fab is not 1 in 10k either.

17:22:05 ascii_field: (imagine if it were!)

17:22:19 mircea_popescu: <deedbot-> [BitBet Bets Bets] 11.28000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 << whoa that's some decent bang for a buck. ty internets.

17:23:15 BingoBoingo: https://bitbet.us/bet/1197/rand-paul-will-get-less-than-7-minutes/ << I'm hoping the lesser Paul gets to break out for this one

17:23:16 assbot: BitBet - Rand Paul will get less than 7 minutes in Sept. 16th Republican debate :: 5.04 B (94%) on Yes, 0.31 B (6%) on No | closed 17 hours 23 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkQ9bU )

17:23:43 BingoBoingo: But would still need to improve over his last round with another minute and a half

17:25:38 mircea_popescu: FCC Commissioner Ajit Varadaraj Pai

17:25:43 mircea_popescu: srsly, the us is indian now ?

17:25:54 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: they make great bureaucrats, aha

17:25:55 BingoBoingo: The Brahmins incresingly are

17:26:04 mircea_popescu: they do make great bureaucrats.

17:26:12 mircea_popescu: of a failed state.

17:26:31 BingoBoingo: Few homeless or poor indians in 'Murica

17:26:45 BingoBoingo: Median income of $106,000 roughly

17:26:56 ascii_field: the poor ones are physics ph.d.

17:27:11 mircea_popescu: "And that simply raises the question, how far will this Internet content standard go? What kinds of business practices that innovative new competitors might want to introduce might be frowned upon by the FCC?? << superlulzy, because the behaviour discussed is deeply un-innovative. in fact, it's strictly monopoly milking.

17:27:15 gernika: A mobile phone company I worked at recently was fully indianized.

17:27:38 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: there is nothing a telco does which is ~not~ in some way monopoly-milking

17:27:51 mircea_popescu: funny how every two bit scammer/fraudster/rent seeker is quick to misrepresent himself as "innovative" "competitor" "entrepreneur" and whatnot.

17:27:56 gernika: And fully not profitable.

17:28:07 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: from edison's time, even.

17:28:12 mircea_popescu: ascii_field well yeah. being that the state had to get involved into it.

17:28:13 ascii_field: he set the mega-example for others to follow.

17:32:47 mircea_popescu: Starting in 2016, the IRS will no longer accept checks for $100 million or more because the equipment at the Federal Reserve Bank that processes checks can?t handle checks for more than 8 digits. Checks larger than that have to be processed manually by hand, which, according to internal memos obtained by the Associated Press, could increase ?the risk of theft, fraud and errors.?

17:32:49 mircea_popescu: win.

17:34:06 mircea_popescu: according to new research by Gavin & Mike, in 2020 that number will reduce to 4 digits, and then continue to halve every few years!

17:34:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18076 @ 0.00077357 = 13.9831 BTC [+]

17:35:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274176

17:35:14 assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 21:46:56; mats: fun fact: gpg's serialization layer uses s-expressions rather than asn.1 and as a result, despite being hand-rolled in C, there doesn't appear to be any memory corruption in canonical mode

17:35:18 mircea_popescu: word.

17:35:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1324 @ 0.00076036 = 1.0067 BTC [-] {2}

17:37:15 *: williamdunne sends check to federal reserve for $214,748,364.78

17:37:30 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/09/appeals-court-denies-dotcom-request-for-extradition-hearing-delay/ <<< ahahaah what in the ever loving fuck! so the us has been derping for four years, on printed money. this guy finally got his accounts (HIS!!) back in july and now he can't have an extensionb because... THE CASE IS TOO COMPLEX ?!

17:37:31 assbot: Appeals Court Denies Dotcom Request for Extradition Hearing Delay | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkS149 )

17:37:55 mircea_popescu: just fucking burn it down already. there's absolutely no reason to continue the charade. "law abiding" = terrorist.

17:37:56 BingoBoingo: Seriously

17:38:04 mircea_popescu: it's the people burning shit down that are the true law abiding folk.

17:38:40 gernika: Was there ever a check on nonsense rulings like this and recent Supreme Court decisions?

17:38:51 mircea_popescu: this is NZ

17:39:42 mircea_popescu: anyway. grounds for mistrial.

17:45:10 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:45:26 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it's a straight usg colony

17:45:32 ascii_field: what 'mistrial'

17:45:54 ascii_field: it'll be grounds for expedited shipment to gitmo

17:45:57 ascii_field: if hitler wills it.

17:46:20 mircea_popescu: i dun think anyone asked that guy anything.

17:48:27 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274705 << this will work great once mortgages are somehow iphonized (everybody rents, straight from usg dept. of housing, or somesuch)

17:48:27 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 15:29:21; mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised it's not here yet. but perhaps the roll up of the "college debt" nonsense will come to that : people get auto-ressetting debt on a 7 yo period.

17:48:57 mircea_popescu: kinda weird they missed the great 2008 opportunity for that, was expecting more lively action on that.

17:49:13 ascii_field: gotta collect the schmuck salaries back

17:49:16 ascii_field: or turkey shortages.

17:49:48 ascii_field: debt (of the idiot credit card kind! not even houses/cars/tuition) is ~the~ collector

17:51:03 mircea_popescu: "Then, the patient gradually became more alert with an increased ability to follow commands over the next evening and was at baseline 38 hours after presenting to the hospital. The patient did have significant associated morbidities including 3 thoracic spine compression fractures, a comminuted humeral head fracture likely secondary to seizures and requiring arthroplasty, and multiple rib fractures secondary to CPR. Sh

17:51:03 mircea_popescu: e was discharged home on hospital day 3 with a sodium level of 133 mmol/L and baseline mental status."

17:51:05 mircea_popescu: that poor woman.

17:51:24 mircea_popescu: "we broke her ribs and other things, but hey, she responds to commands now"

17:51:44 BingoBoingo: And all for a laxative

17:51:50 BingoBoingo: ANd poor instructions

17:52:29 mircea_popescu: and all this because they wanted her to dedicate her entire fucking day to taking it up the ass for the great god of colonoscopy.

17:52:35 mircea_popescu: i dunno why old people put up with it, seriously.

17:52:42 mircea_popescu: why exactly ? fuck all that shit.

17:53:29 ascii_field: https://www.calyxinstitute.org/news/federal-court-invalidates-11-year-old-fbi-gag-order-national-security-letter-recipient-nicholas << mega-l0l

17:53:31 assbot: Federal Court Invalidates 11-Year-old FBI gag order on National Security Letter recipient Nicholas Merrill | The Calyx Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkUcF0 )

17:53:40 ascii_field: 'The ruling marks the first time that an NSL gag order has been lifted in full since the PATRIOT Act vastly expanded the scope of the FBI’s NSL authority in 2001.'

17:54:25 mircea_popescu: hey, at least they admit the nsl was there before 2001.

17:54:32 mircea_popescu: i don't recall seeing that before.

17:54:33 ascii_field: 'The Court observed that, according to the government, Mr. Merrill would only be allowed to discuss the kinds of records the FBI demanded in “a world in which no threat of terrorism exists, or a world in which the FBI, acting on its own accord and its own time, decides to disclose the contents of the Attachment.”'

17:54:36 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i dunno why old people put up with it, seriously. << Took grandpa until halfway to his eigth decade to take a stand on no more fingers and scopes up the butt and no more needles in the eye.

17:54:37 shinohai: https://theintercept.com/2015/09/15/fbi-keeps-telling-purely-theoretical-encryption-horror-stories/

17:54:39 assbot: FBI Keeps Telling Purely Theoretical Encryption Horror Stories ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkUgEI )

17:57:23 kakobrekla: >The ETH scam won't see 2016 < isnt this a negative bet?

17:58:34 mircea_popescu: body seems positive enough

17:58:47 kakobrekla: :)

17:59:50 mircea_popescu: lol

18:00:16 mircea_popescu: "Asked how often investigations are stymied by encryption, Kiran Raj, a senior counsel of the Department of Justice, responded with a non-answer. ?It is an important point that you make, that we have to provide the sense of a scale,? he said."

18:00:19 mircea_popescu: the fucking cheeky bastard.

18:00:36 mircea_popescu: listen up raj your mother-s a whore go back to india : you don't fucking get to score the questions

18:01:18 mircea_popescu: nobody cares what some anon goat fucker thinks on any topic. on your knees, answer humbly and move on.

18:01:29 mircea_popescu: you are a SERVANT. nothing more. just like your mom used to be, minus the assfucking.

18:01:32 ascii_field: what army, exactly, will put him on his knees ?

18:01:36 mircea_popescu: (you're ugly, she wasn't.)

18:01:53 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the 1st ghandi rifles ?

18:02:07 ascii_field: l0l!

18:02:56 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/7iGch3c.jpg <<< ascii_field loading storage for phuctor

18:02:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MpMwYQ )

18:03:23 mircea_popescu: "Hess said that data currently available on investigations, including the annual wiretap report indicating that agents encountered encryption only a handful of times during the course of the year, is simply wrong." << it is simply wrong, because it never figures in court matter, because they parallel construct to all hell and don't know how to do it well

18:03:48 mircea_popescu: (lying, of any kind it might be, always takes more clever than speaking the truth. it also always enbds up taking more cleverf than is available, but that's secondary here.)

18:04:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone know this Jenna McLaughlin chick ? invite her over.

18:05:20 ascii_field: they are rescued by the complete lack of any consequences for story which does not hang together (e.g., '9/11' details, or the 'how they found ulbricht' story, etc)

18:06:14 ascii_field: a parallel-constructed nsa tap is just another 'anonymous tip' to these folks.

18:06:21 mircea_popescu: "how" they found ulbricht = "we discovered this github post" or what was it ?

18:06:33 gernika: stackoverflow

18:06:44 ascii_field: iirc the story changed more than once.

18:07:14 mircea_popescu: was preeeeetty ridoinculous.

18:07:20 ascii_field: aha

18:07:46 ascii_field: my point was that usg is not burdened with the need to lie ~plausibly~.

18:07:47 mircea_popescu: and with the force the 4th guy... the whole thing looked more like turf war between rival drug lords, on of which being the usg, than anything legitimate.

18:07:55 mircea_popescu: it is so burdened.

18:08:11 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274908 <<< invite sent. She even has a key already.

18:08:11 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 18:04:38; mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone know this Jenna McLaughlin chick ? invite her over.

18:08:13 ascii_field: by whom? the 1st gandi rifle division ?

18:08:19 mircea_popescu: by me.

18:16:08 punkman: guy posted silkroad ads on bitcointalk and his personal email http://antilop.cc/sr/img/bitcointalk_altoid_post_archive_11_27_2011.png

18:16:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MpOoRc )

18:18:08 mircea_popescu: iirc that was discovered months after.

18:18:20 mircea_popescu: but yes, trivial to find this sort of shit once you got the guy

18:18:27 mircea_popescu: the interesting question was, how.

18:18:28 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:18:32 ascii_field: ^

18:18:41 ascii_field: usg moves dates as it pleases, yes.

18:18:48 punkman: well he made way too many mistakes too count

18:18:56 mircea_popescu: punkman this is besides the point.

18:19:03 mircea_popescu: which exact mistakes, and how, was the question.

18:19:16 punkman: we'll never know that of course

18:19:25 mircea_popescu: then we can't have rule of law, can we.

18:19:35 mircea_popescu: these two points are inseparable.

18:20:06 ascii_field: as if it were ever not a scam

18:20:11 ascii_field: since, hell, hammurabi

18:20:57 mircea_popescu: there's nothing in it that requires it be a scam.

18:21:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 35150 @ 0.00040884 = 14.3707 BTC [+]

18:24:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26762 @ 0.00076006 = 20.3407 BTC [-] {2}

18:26:50 thestringpuller: ascii_field: nah that was was this guy << http://qntra.net/2015/03/boost-vc-embraces-child-founded-start-up/

18:36:40 thestringpuller: https://medium.com/@OB1Company/scaling-bitcoin-9366988972b6 << more mega lulz

18:48:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19086 @ 0.00076579 = 14.6159 BTC [+] {3}

18:49:05 punkman: "Life is short, sell your 0days" << good slogan for exploit-ebay

18:49:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00075915 = 12.4501 BTC [-]

18:50:01 asciilifeform: !up anton_osika

18:50:29 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:50:40 ascii_field: punkman: i don't think this is actually possible. see log.

18:51:46 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148642 << in particular.

18:51:46 assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 17:38:54; asciilifeform: think of it this way (possibly paraphrasing old thread.) imagine you discovered a cache of plutonium bricks in your back yard. (rtg in space probe fell apart?) would you let them go to a scrap dealer for 100 usd each? knowing that they are worth millions, and at the same time risking your arse by revealing that you ever had them to begin with? or would you say 'fuck you' and dig a deeper hole?

18:54:54 *: williamdunne sees no reason why most people would need to directly touch a blockchain

18:55:25 ascii_field: williamdunne: thread in question was about the impossibility of selling exploits

18:55:51 ascii_field: (you may have been told that people are doing it, and yes, there are people who think they are doing it. but they are being scammed. often, on both sides of the table simultaneously...)

18:55:57 williamdunne: ascii_field: Eh, was just reading; 19:36:41 - thestringpuller: https://medium.com/@OB1Company/scaling-bitcoin-9366988972b6 […]

18:55:58 assbot: Scaling Bitcoin — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y9cpzP )

18:56:05 williamdunne: But yah

18:56:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00075885 = 11.3828 BTC [-]

18:58:54 mod6: ascii_field: see if this one makes any sense: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html

18:58:55 assbot: Untitled graph ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp )

18:59:17 ascii_field: mod6: any way to make this vertical ?

18:59:35 ascii_field: it also needs strict level separation

18:59:39 ascii_field: that is,

18:59:49 ascii_field: genesis at the bottom, and nothing else colinear with it;

18:59:57 ascii_field: the next level of descent, one notch above it;

19:00:03 ascii_field: and so on, until the modern day.

19:00:10 mod6: ah. yeah, i'll have to play around with the format, etc. we'll see if i can make it happen. maybe?

19:00:12 ascii_field: like genealogical tree.

19:00:45 ascii_field: but this picture is a very good start.

19:00:49 ascii_field: nice work mod6

19:00:54 mod6: ty

19:01:02 mats: is it a scam if you sell a commodity for 1/10 of what its worth, knowing you could not move it for market value anyway?

19:01:26 ascii_field: mats: it is a double-headed scam

19:01:39 ascii_field: mats: seller, for instance, can disclose the patch immediately after sale

19:01:44 ascii_field: or even a certain time before

19:01:47 mod6: as far as the 'experimental' patches, i agree about the 'maxint_locks' patch.... maybe there's a better word than experimental. and, anyway, this will all change soon anyhow, so not sure how urgent it is.

19:01:49 ascii_field: to third parties.

19:02:05 mats: sure, its highly asymmetrical, all parties involved know this

19:02:24 ascii_field: mats: and yes, i have something that i know is worth $10M but since i don't have blue blood i can only get a hundy for it, i would MUCH prefer to burn it.

19:02:36 ascii_field: because FUCK blue bloods.

19:03:13 ascii_field: and i am certainly ~NOT~ risking gasenwagen to get that hundy.

19:03:17 mats: more like 20k instead of 10mn.

19:03:24 ascii_field: fuck'em.

19:03:37 ascii_field: and it isn't like a schmuck from the street can get 20k as it is now.

19:03:45 mats: 20k in buttcoins, mate

19:03:51 ascii_field: where?

19:04:12 mats: someone who isn't me.

19:04:20 ascii_field: mats: and who brokers the deal? god?

19:04:33 mats: a fella you own, of course

19:04:34 ascii_field: what is my assurance that i see the coin

19:04:55 ascii_field: and what is ~his~ assurance that i won't immediately pastebin the goods

19:04:58 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1KH2JJC

19:04:59 assbot: dpaste: 1KH2JJC ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdWvg7 )

19:04:59 deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.

19:05:07 mats: none at all. isn't it exciting?

19:05:08 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1KH2JJC.txt

19:05:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdWybN )

19:05:09 deedbot-: accepted: 1

19:05:16 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not sure if qntra worthy or not ^

19:05:20 ascii_field: mats: go, be excited.

19:05:22 ascii_field: i'll pass.

19:05:51 mats: when i'm in a different jurisdiction, yes, will be exciting

19:06:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11864 @ 0.00075899 = 9.0047 BTC [+]

19:06:22 gernika: mircea_popescu just recieved exact same email

19:06:32 gernika: I'm all in

19:06:35 mircea_popescu: and did it call you "gernika" ?

19:06:41 ascii_field: mats: if caching 0days were as easy as you suggest, there is no reason why you ought to be stuck in usaschwitz. go, move in next door to mircea_popescu ?

19:06:48 ascii_field: cashing

19:06:52 ascii_field: 0days.

19:07:26 mats: i don't have any 0days.

19:07:30 gernika: Nope.

19:07:52 BingoBoingo: ;;google site:fraudsters.com Coindesk

19:07:53 gribble: Introducing the qntra on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/introducing-the-qntra; The pseudo-Bitcoinsphere feels just as squishy-poo as the ... - fraudsters: http://fraudsters.com/the-pseudo-bitcoinsphere-feels-just-as-squishy-poo-as-the-romanian-pseudo-blogosphere-felt-five-years-or-so-ago; Blogging is a muscle and other observations on fraudsters - A blog by (1 more message)

19:08:25 mats: i know a broker with buyers, however...

19:08:54 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo not sure if qntra worthy or not ^ << http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-pseudo-bitcoinsphere-feels-just-as-squishy-poo-as-the-romanian-pseudo-blogosphere-felt-five-years-or-so-ago/

19:08:55 assbot: The pseudo-Bitcoinsphere feels just as squishy-poo as the Romanian pseudo-blogosphere felt five years or so ago. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y9f9Nm )

19:09:02 mircea_popescu: ascii_field> and what is ~his~ assurance that i won't immediately pastebin the goods << you ever heard of teh wot ?

19:09:07 deedbot-: [fraudsters] Come see what "positive", "affirmative" etc mean! - http://fraudsters.com/2015/come-see-what-positive-affirmative-etc-mean/

19:09:19 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you ever heard of the-transaction-cant-be-public ?

19:09:29 mircea_popescu: why does it have to be public ?

19:09:32 mircea_popescu: wot doesn't require this.

19:09:38 ascii_field: wot requires public, yes

19:09:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Will look into it, but there has been "masquerade" spamming lately. Hard to tell if actual impersonation though or plausible deniability scam

19:09:42 ascii_field: selling 0days requires privacy

19:09:44 mircea_popescu: in your understanding, maybe.

19:09:46 ascii_field: at least if you don't have an army.

19:10:00 ascii_field: otherwise i would have to include the cost of an army in my price

19:10:04 ascii_field: and who will buy then

19:10:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.000777 = 15.54 BTC [+] {3}

19:11:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'm not sure why such a concern would be of any interest. this "fund" is not represented in the wot. consequently, any piece of email purportying to be from them ACTUALLY IS every time that is detrimental to them

19:11:16 mircea_popescu: and never is otherwise.

19:11:21 shinohai: "Si te sientes guapa" <<< LOL that's all it takes ....

19:12:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just that lingering doubt is why I'm going to keep digging for other stuff to consider qntra-ing up

19:12:12 mircea_popescu: ascii_field couldja for five minutes stop with this "i know how things are in direct proportion of how little i know about them" ?

19:12:36 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ..?

19:12:40 mircea_popescu: makes sense BingoBoingo

19:12:49 mircea_popescu: ascii_field what part of wot requires any deal be public!

19:13:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Anyways last week there was nearly identical spam floating around under Pantera Capital's name. Spam's not really news.

19:13:38 mircea_popescu: this is true.

19:13:42 ascii_field: let's say it does not. so i renege and pastebin the exploit i just sold. vendor negrates me: '-10, poopyhead, can't say why publicly'

19:13:49 mircea_popescu: so ?

19:14:47 ascii_field: so i generate a new key. but, you will say, next buyer will not deal with a nobody ? then why would they have dealt with me earlier ?

19:14:48 mircea_popescu: for all you know it can literally say "i don't trust him".

19:15:02 ascii_field: so now we have 'you gotta associate your existing identity with selling 0days'

19:15:05 mircea_popescu: because i said so ?

19:15:06 ascii_field: ------> gasenwagen.

19:15:10 mircea_popescu: we have no such thing.

19:15:22 mircea_popescu: see, you jump over the uncomfortable fractures.

19:15:27 ascii_field: humour me, say i want to sell an 0day today.

19:15:34 ascii_field: i create a new key for this purpose

19:15:34 mircea_popescu: and by uncomfortable i mean, the places where yo ususpect the solution may lie.

19:15:41 ascii_field: why would anyone trade with me ?

19:15:43 mircea_popescu: a key for the purpose of a one off deal ?

19:15:48 mircea_popescu: that is ipso definitio a scam.

19:16:00 ascii_field: for the purpose of the entire thing

19:16:06 ascii_field: say i have precisely 1 saleable 0day.

19:16:09 mircea_popescu: suppose someoine who isn't us registers 0day_bourbaky in the wot.

19:16:15 mircea_popescu: ima rate it. because i fucking feel like it.

19:16:22 ascii_field: ok, this works once.

19:16:25 mircea_popescu: so there you go, it's started.

19:16:25 ascii_field: maybe twice.

19:16:32 mircea_popescu: yes it works once. how many times do you want it to work.

19:16:36 ascii_field: will you rate the 10,001st one when 10,000 renege ?

19:16:38 ascii_field: i won't.

19:16:48 mircea_popescu: wait. 10k what ?

19:16:57 ascii_field: 10,000 bozos take the coin & run

19:17:03 mircea_popescu: ...

19:17:04 ascii_field: or renege in some other way.

19:17:06 mircea_popescu: you're the seller or the buyer here ?

19:17:23 ascii_field: in this example, i'm just an earthworm. watching.

19:17:29 mircea_popescu: wouldja stop.

19:17:35 mircea_popescu: are we discussing the buyer or the seller side here.

19:17:45 ascii_field: in this case, seller. he gets shafted.

19:18:00 mircea_popescu: stop trying to force the inept mental jump on me. i am neither inept nor am i making it.

19:18:14 ascii_field: which one ?

19:18:46 mircea_popescu: seller has a minimum of two 0 days. he creates a wot account for the purpose of selling these and future ones indefinitely. seller publishes one freom that account as a proof, announces he has more, explains what it costs. sends it encrypted once gets paid. gets rated. what's the big deal.

19:18:54 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: understand, if i'm merely thick and you can describe a working mechanism, people ~will~ use...

19:19:00 mircea_popescu: i just have.

19:19:07 *: ascii_field thinks

19:19:24 mircea_popescu: and if seller doesn't want to burn one, seller can just ask (PRIVATELY) friends to rate it.

19:19:24 ascii_field: say i have ~exactly one~.

19:19:27 mircea_popescu: which friends will do.

19:19:27 mats: this is how i imagine it would work

19:19:34 mircea_popescu: or at any rate, i will do.

19:21:34 mircea_popescu: but the caveat being that if seller has exactly one, and no reason to suspect he will ever have more, this entire thing is a wot. aka, waste of time.

19:21:36 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:21:48 mircea_popescu: and he should just play the good researcher and publish it.

19:22:28 ascii_field: give the plutonium away for free to the first idiot pastebin reader who comes along, aha.

19:22:32 mircea_popescu: yep

19:22:45 ascii_field: why bother digging it out of the ground to begin with ?

19:22:48 mircea_popescu: it's provably the best usage, if you don't secrete it.

19:23:02 mircea_popescu: mno. words have meanings. " no reason to suspect he will ever have more".

19:23:17 mircea_popescu: this precludes any bothering. because bothering is a thing of work, which is a reason to suspect.

19:23:44 ascii_field: i'm not speaking theoretically, either

19:24:15 mircea_popescu: either he can make them, at some rate whatever it may be, but nonzero (even if it's so low in the end it ends up being 0), and then he has a business being a seller.

19:24:22 ascii_field: it is entirely possible to find a potential exploit in the course of unrelated work. developing it into an ACTUAL exploit takes sweat.

19:24:31 ascii_field: mats will understand what i speak of here.

19:24:34 mircea_popescu: or else he can not make them, just found some meteor, in which case he has no business being a seller. because nobody may sell what he can't make.

19:24:40 mircea_popescu: which is why "inheritors" are fundamentally poor.

19:24:56 mircea_popescu: then the afid needs an ant.

19:25:06 ascii_field: i think it is necessary to put on magic glasses, which i don't have, to see 'poor inheritors'

19:25:08 mircea_popescu: as he's only half a person

19:25:17 ascii_field: because afaik most of the serious money is in the hands of inheritors even now.

19:25:30 mircea_popescu: ascii_field watch butterfield 8.

19:25:43 *: ascii_field puts on list

19:25:48 mircea_popescu: not only a gorgeous 20something liz taylor, but also

19:27:10 ascii_field: also saud et al will beg to differ that 'you cannot sell what you do not make'

19:27:21 mircea_popescu: apparently the web doesn't have the quote. something like "my dear, i'm going out to find my pride. and if i ever find it, we'll see if it's still worth a damn to either of us."

19:27:36 mircea_popescu: ascii_field they can beg all they want, it's adequate to them.

19:27:43 mircea_popescu: what you can not make you can only give away. never sell.

19:27:55 ascii_field: so what, saudi golden toilet is leaden somehow ?

19:27:58 ascii_field: how does this work ?

19:28:40 mircea_popescu: it's a metaphysical point!

19:29:05 ascii_field: hence my note re: magic glasses.

19:29:19 ascii_field: because on the planet where i live, the richest folk, as far as naked eye can see, are resource extractors

19:29:29 mircea_popescu: ie, they find 0 days ?

19:29:37 ascii_field: the geological equivalent

19:29:42 mircea_popescu: makes sense.

19:31:50 mircea_popescu: anyway. this entire "if you only got one and don't know how you got it, either - you therefore must publish" thing is exactly because that's how one learns.

19:32:03 mircea_popescu: for as long as you don't have a method to make them laugh, you're not to epxect to be paid for your "Comedian services".

19:32:10 ascii_field: saudi brass spend a million usd like i spend a dollar in a coke machine. and i know this through degree-1 meatwot.

19:32:14 mircea_popescu: you're to tell your jokes freely as much as possible, so as to learn how it works.

19:32:14 ascii_field: not through legend.

19:32:20 mircea_popescu: earning money at it come,s later.

19:32:50 mircea_popescu: ascii_field are you in a position to negrate this "degree-1" "meatwot" ?

19:33:06 ascii_field: meatwot is not a proper wot

19:33:12 mircea_popescu: so then don't mix improperly.

19:33:22 mircea_popescu: for that matter, i spent a million like you spend a dollar in a coke machine.

19:33:30 ascii_field: e.g., ever day ?

19:33:38 mircea_popescu: and coke was "degree-1" involved, iirc buffett still owns lots of it.

19:33:52 mircea_popescu: shit, you actually do that every day ?! IT'S BAD FOR YOU

19:33:54 mircea_popescu: :D

19:34:06 ascii_field: not these days.

19:34:26 mircea_popescu: just saying, expenditure's not the measure of the world. but anyway.

19:34:26 ascii_field: but there was a time when i got caffeinated goop from vending machines, at uni.

19:34:48 ascii_field: was trying to point out that the folks who 'make nothing' (true!) have pretty much infinite money.

19:35:36 ascii_field: and access to 'turkeys' approximately as fast as they can be produced.

19:37:41 ascii_field: re: meatwot, all i meant was that i personally know a fella, who i trust to describe what he saw, who saw the palaces and ludicrous 'stotting'

19:38:40 thestringpuller: re: meatwot, don't think one exist since memory if fallible

19:39:21 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: re: repeated sales of exploits, there are also opsec considerations.

19:39:55 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it is possible sometimes, from the overall flavour of the items, for hitler to ferret out whom to shoot.

19:40:28 ascii_field: (as may have been the case with 'snowden-2', though these were not exploits in the sense meant in this thread)

19:40:46 thestringpuller: i still don't think a meatwot can exist

19:40:55 thestringpuller: otherwise drug dealers wouldn't actively snitch on each other

19:41:07 ascii_field: thestringpuller: as mircea_popescu pointed out, i am abusing the term to refer to meatspace business circles

19:41:37 mats: what exactly precludes a meatwot from existence?

19:41:47 mats: i'm not following

19:42:24 thestringpuller: mats: in my perspective it seems the meatwot is more easily susceptible sybil attacks than one enforced with the principle governing gpg contracts

19:42:44 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274490 sory, i'll pass on, looks like it's not a priority at all for these people i wanted to do it together with

19:42:44 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:01:15; mircea_popescu: which leaves phuctor in dire need of a new home. unless anyone comes forward with something (hey jurov what's the word there ?) i guess ima get another box at another dubious provider

19:42:45 ascii_field: thestringpuller: how?

19:43:09 mats: canonical meatwot should involve gpg.

19:43:25 mats: otherwise it'd be meatfacebook

19:43:39 ascii_field: mats: how often do your friends get physically replaced with impostors ?

19:43:43 ascii_field: without you noticing.

19:43:54 mats: hasn't happened yet

19:43:55 thestringpuller: ascii_field: because niggas be forgetful and shit. if you're just saying "Well i trust this nigga cause of xyz" it's by word of mouth i.e. memory rather than something digitally recorded

19:44:22 thestringpuller: and cryptographically provable

19:44:36 ascii_field: thestringpuller: if you deal with sufficiently many people that your memory cannot fit them perfectly, your wot is not strictly a meatwot.

19:44:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.00077718 = 34.2348 BTC [+] {3}

19:44:46 thestringpuller: sure if six niggas is like "Yo i saw this nigga do some hood shit at my buddy moes"

19:45:01 thestringpuller: then you know that event likley occurred

19:45:18 thestringpuller: but it seems far more flimsy than a crypto record

19:46:15 thestringpuller: ascii_field: and it's not just my memory. it's whether memory of even occurred and is easily verifiable

19:51:13 thestringpuller: !up anton_osika

19:51:34 ascii_field: ;;later tell mod6 a more readable graph could omit genesis node.

19:51:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:51:50 anton_osika: thx thestringpuller.

19:51:59 anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I re read the contract you wrote

19:52:00 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:52:51 anton_osika: I have proof of being the long party as specified

19:52:56 anton_osika: http://pastebin.com/dzmkyRvj

19:52:57 assbot: Letter to Mircea Popescu - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdEIna )

19:54:54 ascii_field: 'The verification relies on the credibility of a group of well reputed people, or a “bank” if you have to call it that: Kraken.com. The statement states what identity made the transaction to your account.' << this is a problem.

19:55:21 anton_osika: asciilifeform: Depends on what the contract is saying.

19:55:56 ascii_field: anyway it is not ~my~ problem.

19:56:00 anton_osika: Such a thing is not a problem in any serious contract that I would write in a business situation.

19:56:22 ascii_field: but i know enough to say that it will be a problem here.

19:56:36 anton_osika: Either you actively distrust Kraken.com and make ~no~payment. Or you fulfill your part of the contract as well as possible.

19:56:46 mod6: well, can't get the directional thing correct unless I use graphviz :/ http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.png

19:56:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NBvVkZ )

19:56:50 ascii_field: nobody gets trusted for showing up.

19:57:08 ascii_field: mod6: this is beautiful and ought to be on the www.

19:57:20 ascii_field: see if you can make the patch names clickable links

19:57:21 anton_osika: mircea_popescu: could lose some lifetime trust on this one however.

19:57:28 shinohai: asciilifeform: If you have time later, would appreciate assistance with the key issue you brought to my attention last week.

19:57:32 anton_osika: By the people who understand the situation.

19:57:42 ascii_field: shinohai: didn't somebody walk out with your key ?

19:57:45 ben_vulpes: rather nice, mod6

19:57:45 mod6: <+ascii_field> see if you can make the patch names clickable links << i'll see what I can do. thx.

19:57:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26136 @ 0.0007652 = 19.9993 BTC [-]

19:58:17 shinohai: ascii_field: no one walked out with it, just wasn't self-signed? Was using old email.

19:58:31 ascii_field: aha

19:59:09 punkman: shinohai: your master key hadn't signed the subkeys? how does that happen?

19:59:27 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275185 <<<lulzy

19:59:27 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 19:57:21; anton_osika: mircea_popescu: could lose some lifetime trust on this one however.

20:00:16 ascii_field: anton_osika: ever read the story (or watch the film based on it) - 'the cold equations' ?

20:00:30 BingoBoingo: anton_osika: That doesn't seem to solve the problem of inability to sign a delivery address with that public key, even if Kraken attests to it.

20:00:42 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: just saw a commercia for ETrade creating a browser only platform for trading. Made me laugh outloud here in the airport cause, well is etrade et. al. going to become the new play exchanges?

20:01:04 anton_osika: BingoBoingo: One moment:

20:01:09 thestringpuller: We saw how well the move to CSS benefited GLBSE

20:02:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00076416 = 19.1804 BTC [-]

20:02:21 shinohai: punkman: trust me, being here opened my eyes to how inept I was with gpg

20:02:29 BingoBoingo: anton_osika: And further to the point, I don't think Kraken is in any position to attest to anything seeing how it is the USG appointed tool for distributing MtGox's carcass

20:05:23 BingoBoingo: At least anton_osika In the even you manage to uncorrupt your backup Kraken is no longer in a position to take deliver in your place by signing from the outgoing BTC address.

20:06:30 thestringpuller: wind 10

20:08:10 mats: if you image the device, i'd be happy to attempt recovery for a modest fee if i'm successful

20:09:45 anton_osika: BingoBoingo: Depends on what the contract should constructively be interpreted by. Unless MP stands by his word and take the one and only claimed deposit address (by the freenode authed antonosika as well as the holder of the bitcoin wallet) mircea_popescu will lose credibility by people who agree to my interpretation of what the cause of a future delivery

20:09:45 anton_osika: contract is.

20:10:08 anton_osika: interpreted for*

20:10:38 anton_osika: and this is a piss in the ocean for upholding ones credibility for mircea_popescu .

20:11:16 ascii_field: anton_osika: iirc mircea_popescu explained specifically, earlier, that he would lose credibility among the people who matter if he ~did~ pay.

20:11:27 shinohai: And how exactly is your credibility worth more than mircea_popescu 's?

20:12:33 anton_osika: mircea_popescu wrote the contract for the cause of delivery, right?

20:13:08 anton_osika: I am the long party and have independent verification of this by others with recognised trust.

20:13:32 anton_osika: ascii_field: I do not need any trust at all to damage MP:s trust.

20:13:36 mircea_popescu: omg the highlights

20:13:41 anton_osika: <3

20:13:49 mats: that's not how the wot works

20:14:14 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> who saw the palaces and ludicrous 'stotting' << sure, i'm privy to teh arab wastage.

20:15:08 mircea_popescu: <mats> otherwise it'd be meatfacebook << lol. it's either pgp or meat, baby.

20:16:04 anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I re-read the contract, and the system of trust should prevent egoistic interpretations of contracts.

20:16:18 mircea_popescu: ahahah kraken.com wut ?!

20:16:56 anton_osika: There is a Kraken PGP key here that a lot of people that hold their trust (even in forms of assets) dearly to it . Those people would forever lose some of the trust for you.

20:17:16 mircea_popescu: o wow check it out, he actually managed the level enforcement. nice stuff mod6 !

20:17:18 anton_osika: ^the magic of digital trust.

20:17:44 mircea_popescu: <anton_osika> By the people who understand the situation. << by the who ?

20:17:52 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha - isn't it beautiful? it looks exactly like the graph in my head when i wrote 'v'

20:17:57 mircea_popescu: dun tell me there's some dudes right over the horizon ganging together to beat me up ?

20:18:04 mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks :]

20:18:07 mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeah. it's wunderbar.

20:18:08 anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I am sorry.

20:18:19 mircea_popescu: mod6 didja do some hand-helping in there ?

20:18:20 anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I tried to prevent a situation like this...

20:18:24 shinohai: But the contract wasn't between kraken was it?

20:18:27 mircea_popescu: because the thing shows some very promising AI in arranging the boxes.

20:18:42 mircea_popescu: lol wait you tried to what ?!

20:18:58 anton_osika: hehe

20:19:09 mircea_popescu: dude he could be a us secretary or something this guy. incredible how the same verbiage flows from the same circumstances.

20:19:19 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: iirc it is based on 'energy minimization' << as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-08-2015#1222064

20:19:19 assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 16:00:48; asciilifeform: can give the 'atoms' electrostatic-style charge, so they repel, and the bonds - 'strain', so they contract

20:19:20 mircea_popescu: almost against one's will, as it were.

20:19:43 mod6: only one part that could be automated i think; just dumped out the graphviz config to file, and then tweeked the `rankdir' to 'BT' for (bottom=>top) by hand. then just gotta run dot to generate the image.

20:19:48 anton_osika: Seriously mircea_popescu. You wrote the contract - it has a cause and you have got the invoice paid.

20:20:08 mircea_popescu: see ascii_field ye olde "bitcoin perverts nsa" thing ? cuts both ways. finding oneself in the sort of situation the usg finds itself ALSO perverts.

20:20:23 mircea_popescu: anton_osika what's "egoistic interpretations of contracts." ?

20:20:46 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha! recall how you once observed that it is astonishing that i, in particular, manage to think about anything at all ?

20:20:58 mircea_popescu: mod6 does it actually attempt to minimize line length ? ascii_field you realise this is a complete problem yes ?

20:21:07 mod6: so this can be automated, but some cleanup required. im just read that you can make clickable links -- gonna give it a shot.

20:21:28 mod6: mircea_popescu: it might. im not exactly sure how graphviz does its magic.

20:21:39 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: np-complete does not mean unsolvable ! just means that not solvable efficiently if the data set is at all large

20:21:52 mircea_popescu: ah i thought it was something you brewed. somehow i thought graphviz won't do it.

20:21:53 ascii_field: or rather, not that, either. but in bean counter terms

20:22:04 mircea_popescu: aha.

20:22:20 ascii_field: but in point of fact, this is a very favourable data set for plotting

20:22:27 mircea_popescu: we are contemplating rather large datasets. but yes, so far.

20:22:33 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:22:35 ascii_field: only forward flow, for example

20:22:42 mircea_popescu: ah yes that helps

20:22:42 mod6: yeah, i re-wrote v in perl, and it does all the traversing etc, then i build the graph with recursion and the Graph::Easy mod.

20:23:00 mircea_popescu: "time only flows one way because god got fucking sick of debugging bidirectional graphs"

20:23:01 ascii_field: graph::easy has the killer feature of ascii output!

20:23:05 ascii_field: the only such lib i was able to find

20:23:15 ascii_field: almost considered rewriting in perl myself, just to use it

20:23:21 mircea_popescu: o.O

20:23:30 mod6: that's why i initially liked it too! but alas, if you can't grow TB or BT, then it gets hairy at 80 cols.

20:23:53 mod6: there might be a way to do this still, just might be a bit deeper than i'ev looked so far.

20:23:54 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: as in http://dpaste.com/3DBXKQX.txt

20:23:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VT455b )

20:24:36 shinohai: Please send 0.05 BTC to 1nu11ampgw1GKrZSgn2q3JS8kZE88n6d5 if you want voice from me anton_osika

20:24:55 mircea_popescu: lmao

20:24:57 mircea_popescu: !up anton_osika

20:25:09 anton_osika: Thank you.

20:25:09 mircea_popescu: srsly, try to be interesting anton_osika ppl are getting sick of it.

20:25:14 anton_osika: mircea_popescu: you wrote the contract - the "long party" is the payer of the invoice". Nowhere does it state that the "long party" will need a PGP signature for payment. This is solely interpretation - and you are NOT paying for a future delivery contract. Do you have any rationale for this?

20:25:39 mircea_popescu: i dun have an address to pay to.

20:25:53 mircea_popescu: (for all you know, i already paid, for that matter.)

20:25:59 anton_osika: http://pastebin.com/qsGhC04z

20:25:59 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Payment of future delivery c - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdK2Hg )

20:26:09 anton_osika: Thank you for taking it into account.

20:26:38 anton_osika: You are in the position of having a very big impact on my view on how to act in this world.

20:27:04 mircea_popescu: why do you think this is exceptional in your case ?

20:27:12 mats: party A's rating of B has no value if both A and B are not in my L1

20:27:21 anton_osika: it is not exceptional. it is about interpreting contracts constructively or egoistically.

20:27:45 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/4moMYPc.jpg <<< Assets

20:27:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdKq8s )

20:27:48 anton_osika: I kind of take it that you are quite constructive seeing what you create...

20:28:50 mircea_popescu: shinohai how the hell did she get that butt with the antiwalker device!

20:29:08 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it takes tremendous athleticism to actually ride that thing

20:29:18 shinohai: Lots of beans and corn tortillas is my guess.

20:29:19 mircea_popescu: of the butt huh.

20:29:27 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2014#807681 << see also.

20:29:27 assbot: Logged on 24-08-2014 21:40:36; *: asciilifeform had a dream many years ago that his grandfather took an ancient grinding wheel from workshop, turned it upside-down, and taught him to ride it. and now people actually do something quite like this.

20:29:38 *: mircea_popescu is starting to think about this seriously. get the girls unicicle rides

20:30:07 ascii_field: top-heavy folks don't do well on unicycle

20:30:16 ascii_field: the roller board thing is easier.

20:30:41 ascii_field: http://www.eonline.com/news/696014/these-leaked-ashley-madison-passwords-are-hilarious-in-a-depressing-kind-of-way << l0l

20:30:42 assbot: These Leaked Ashley Madison Passwords Are Hilarious...in a Depressing Kind of Way | E! Online France ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdKULL )

20:31:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8272 @ 0.00076416 = 6.3211 BTC [-]

20:32:16 mats: http://musicforprogramming.net

20:32:17 assbot: musicForProgramming(); ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdL7yE )

20:32:17 anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Is there anything that would make you pay the invoice?

20:32:44 mircea_popescu: a properly signed request would go a long way.

20:32:46 shinohai: Well anton_osika threats didn't work ...

20:33:28 anton_osika: mircea_popescu: you wrote the contract - the "long party" is the payer of the invoice". Nowhere does it state that the "long party" will need a PGP signature for payment. This is solely interpretation - and you are NOT paying for a future delivery contract. Do you have any rationale for this?

20:33:57 mircea_popescu: how do you know i've not paid it ?

20:34:02 anton_osika: <3

20:35:28 anton_osika: I would be honoured by a letter stating so.

20:35:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00076166 = 13.4814 BTC [-]

20:35:59 mircea_popescu: mkay. a second.

20:37:37 anton_osika: If you have time to add it, also stating when you might be visiting Sweden teaching a physics student things about life he would not learn otherwise.

20:38:28 mircea_popescu: anton_osika http://dpaste.com/1X3NP04

20:38:30 assbot: dpaste: 1X3NP04 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdMflY )

20:38:34 anton_osika: aka. what one learns talking to these people here..

20:39:24 kakobrekla: lol.

20:39:28 anton_osika: ;;ident mircea_popescu

20:39:28 gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.

20:40:01 funkenstein_: Will the real anton_osika please stand up, please stand up, please stand up.

20:40:09 shinohai: mircea_popescu: you were right about the isis theory: http://www.dw.com/en/german-police-arrest-alleged-is-recruiter-wanted-by-spain/a-18630827

20:40:09 assbot: German police arrest alleged IS recruiter wanted by Spain | News | DW.COM | 05.08.2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdMAVN )

20:40:10 anton_osika: yo

20:40:46 mircea_popescu: shinohai aha.

20:40:47 thestringpuller: funkenstein_: that song was about slim shady not being a real person btw.

20:42:26 funkenstein_: yeah well I never saw his public key :P

20:42:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21672 @ 0.00076143 = 16.5017 BTC [-] {2}

20:43:05 anton_osika: ;;help

20:43:05 gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/

20:43:28 shinohai: ;;later tell davout btcjam kinda touchy aren't they?

20:43:28 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:43:41 mircea_popescu: "Website Screenshots provider, Snapito, was acquired by ShrinkTheWeb"

20:43:50 mircea_popescu: dat gdp.

20:44:10 anton_osika: !facts

20:44:13 thestringpuller: funkenstein_: http://genius.com/18406/Eminem-the-real-slim-shady/And-every-single-person-is-a-slim-shady-lurking

20:44:13 mircea_popescu: im sure this is a "transaction" and tax is assessed and some bean counter counts beans under "us industry"

20:45:46 mircea_popescu: wow did disney actually make a "two lesbians" movie with the gypsy chick and a snow-white knockoff in which the male lead is this evil dude with "burn for your witchcraft" ?

20:45:52 funkenstein_: "fuck it, let's all stand up" thanks thestringpuller, I never had grokked it fully

20:46:40 thestringpuller: "turn off your electronics on the plane"

20:46:42 thestringpuller: lol

20:46:49 thestringpuller: everyone has their phone out

20:47:27 funkenstein_: wait, lesbians? I'm gonna go watch a Disney movie now for the first time in like forever.

20:49:04 thestringpuller: funkenstein_: yea, as mircea_popescu once said. "A lot to be learned on the street"

20:50:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00075835 = 10.0102 BTC [-] {2}

20:55:51 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:56:15 mats: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/15/west-ignored-russian-offer-in-2012-to-have-syrias-assad-step-aside

20:56:16 assbot: West 'ignored Russian offer in 2012 to have Syria's Assad step aside' | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdPGcq )

20:57:17 ascii_field: mats: consistent with 'controlled chaos' hypothesis.

20:57:39 ascii_field: OPENLY espoused by brzezinski.

20:58:34 mats: I dunno that the west can control this chaos

20:58:48 mats: overplayed this one

20:58:52 ascii_field: mats: i will agree when there are isis patrols in washington.

20:59:13 ascii_field: and as i stand in the impalement queue, yes, i might agree

20:59:35 ascii_field: but the degree of control usg actually wants or needs is minimal.

20:59:46 ascii_field: does an arsonist need to precisely specify the shape of the flames ?

21:03:36 mats: yes, in the sense that arsonist doesn't set fire to all routes of own escape

21:04:23 ascii_field: again, i'm not seeing any beheadings out my window.

21:07:19 mats: isis doesn't need to destroy usg to survive

21:07:47 ascii_field: then in what sense is it a failure of controlled chaos doctrine ?

21:08:28 mats: their wealth, influence, and manpower is transnational, transcontinental, requires no fuel from usg to exist

21:08:37 ascii_field: 'radical islam' is a usg golem created to diddle ru

21:08:40 ascii_field: and it works.

21:08:54 shinohai: http://xtnodes.com/xt_blocks_pie_chart.php hue

21:08:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdSbeF )

21:09:14 mats: how is this a problem for ru? ru is largely ethnically and culturally homogenous, no?

21:09:20 ascii_field: no.

21:09:29 ascii_field: how the fuck did you get the idea that it was ?!

21:09:30 BingoBoingo: Not on all of its southern borders

21:09:47 BingoBoingo: Also Cossacks

21:10:09 phf: russia is all white men wearing fur hats

21:10:29 mats: I frankly don't see how muslims are a problem for moscow.

21:11:12 ascii_field: mats: http://galstonok.rusedu.net/gallery/3100/Moskovskoe_knyazhestvo_v_XIV_v..gif << the pink part is moscow duchy circa 1300.

21:11:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdSEgT )

21:11:16 mats: ru has no problem dispensing as much lead into muslims as can be extracted from siberia

21:11:22 ascii_field: that's the 'homogeneous' part.

21:11:47 ascii_field: mats: tell this to the corpses of ru folks who used to live in chechnia

21:12:08 ascii_field: or the people killed in bombings in moscow

21:12:23 ascii_field: plainly, there ~were~ problems dispensing the lead.

21:13:28 ascii_field: the reason for this is that ru could not take the standard euro approach of extermination, because it is not how it works. it absorbs.

21:14:21 trinque: seems quite clear that the encirclement strategy never ended

21:14:33 trinque: instead of NATO to the south, fires

21:14:50 ascii_field: why would it end.

21:15:00 ascii_field: ru natural resources are the west's sole chance of prolonging the party.

21:15:04 ascii_field: well, it and cold fusion.

21:15:14 mats: yet ru still properly stands, and chechnya bends the knee

21:15:34 ascii_field: mats: the degree to which it bends has been exaggerated for pr

21:15:46 ascii_field: these folks don't bend.

21:16:00 ascii_field: they sometimes die, yes. but regenerate much faster than euro people.

21:16:47 punkman: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snfa2n "JYA and Cryptome Keys Compromised"

21:16:47 assbot: TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdTGtt )

21:17:30 ascii_field: dafuq

21:17:33 ascii_field: IT IS NOT SIGNED WITH EITHER KEY

21:17:58 ascii_field: it is signed with one of the new keys promulgated

21:18:14 trinque: http://cryptome.org/ << on the homepage too

21:18:15 assbot: Cryptome ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdTPNm )

21:18:19 ascii_field: where is the evidence that the author of this message ever possessed the keys claimed as compromised ?

21:18:54 ascii_field: the signature belongs to 0x4918FA4ED87D436C.

21:19:38 ascii_field: PGP Desktop 9.6.3 for Windows. << WIN

21:19:43 *: ascii_field head-desks

21:20:27 ascii_field: can has a cryptome NOT run by tards ?

21:20:54 trinque: gotta wait till $tardInt wraps

21:21:35 ascii_field: srsly, is it an impossibility to have a 'cryptome'-like site run by thinking folks ?

21:21:53 ascii_field: iirc mircea_popescu hosted some of the leaked u.s. telegrams at one point

21:22:54 ascii_field: i had the thought once that gossipd would make this item quite trivial to implement

21:23:05 mats: why not qntra?

21:23:24 BingoBoingo: Perhaps some sort of spinoff related to qntra

21:23:45 ascii_field: mats: because phuctor.

21:23:58 ascii_field: look what happens to a box that is even mildly interesting.

21:24:24 ascii_field: now imagine if it were hosting leaked launch codes.

21:24:27 ascii_field: (tm)

21:28:11 phf: !up ascii_field

21:28:51 mats: the net's a vast place. so long as leaks are properly hashed, signed, and available in a public place, where it lives can be numerous

21:31:43 punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/15/2016-election-old-voting-machines-hanging-chad "Some states are having to go on eBay to buy spare parts for machines that are no longer manufactured. "

21:31:44 assbot: Hanging chad redux? US heading for 2000-style election catastrophe, report finds | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ou5kFB )

21:33:01 deedbot-: [Qntra] Cryptome PGP Keys Compromised, Revoked - http://qntra.net/2015/09/cryptome-pgp-keys-compromised-revoked/

21:33:53 BingoBoingo: !up analmaster

21:34:05 ascii_field: punkman: they run win-ce - all of them.

21:34:14 ascii_field: this is no longer even controversial.

21:34:19 ascii_field: people somehow got used to it.

21:34:28 ascii_field: many (most?) have wireless cards also.

21:34:38 shinohai: https://twitter.com/lopp/status/643781927107858433

21:34:59 punkman: relevant to ebay threads

21:37:58 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275410 << cryptome is not merely a place to drop arbitrary turds. there is curator.

21:37:58 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:28:51; mats: the net's a vast place. so long as leaks are properly hashed, signed, and available in a public place, where it lives can be numerous

21:38:13 ascii_field: the curator is what distinguishes an interesting leak site from a public toilet.

21:38:42 punkman: I guess opening all those pdfs on windows machine paid off

21:38:45 ascii_field: curator not only selects interesting material but rejects obvious forgeries, etc

21:38:46 mats: qntra doesn't have to host the files, merely clearsig with hash

21:39:07 ascii_field: mats: in practice, if something is not immediately available, it is not part of the conversation.

21:39:33 ascii_field: except as a kind of amorphous mass

21:40:30 mats: mebbe can be accompanied with yandex search query of hash. and 1000 toilets with file.

21:40:31 asciilifeform: !up anton_osika

21:40:49 ascii_field: mats: this only works when a turd is famous

21:40:54 ascii_field: and is immediately mirrored

21:41:10 ascii_field: sometimes, not then, either (how many people are publicly hosting the hackteam dump ?)

21:41:36 anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Thanks for the letter but I can obviously not open it. Would you mind encrypting it to me? https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&fingerprint=on&search=0x2CB59FFA3AB7A3EE

21:41:37 assbot: Public Key Server -- Get "0x2cb59ffa3ab7a3ee " ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdYoap )

21:42:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00075996 = 31.3863 BTC [+] {3}

21:43:04 BingoBoingo: !down anton_osika

21:43:05 punkman: anton_osika: you are better off focusing on fixing the broken backup

21:45:59 punkman: ;;ticker

21:46:00 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 230.26, Best ask: 230.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 230.42, 24 hour volume: 7414.96871817, 24 hour low: 229.5, 24 hour high: 232.93, 24 hour vwap: None

21:46:26 BingoBoingo: Oh, and Tesla is in trouble http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/09/15/1759231/porsche-unveils-its-first-electric-car

21:46:28 assbot: Porsche Unveils Its First Electric Car - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdZjHX )

21:49:59 BingoBoingo: !up anton_osika

21:51:55 anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Hola. I have never had the E4BC29F7 key. What is up with that letter.

21:58:49 phf: https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x86AC5789F93ED2E7

21:58:50 assbot: Search results for '0x86ac5789f93ed2e7' ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke1XgT )

21:58:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00075743 = 13.7852 BTC [-] {2}

21:59:02 ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/27BC3XA.txt

21:59:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke1Zp0 )

21:59:10 *: ben_vulpes disappears again

22:00:33 phf: ben_vulpes: have you seen http://appscript.sourceforge.net/status.html ?

22:00:34 assbot: appscript : status ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke2jnQ )

22:01:06 ben_vulpes: just sharing some lulz, phf

22:01:38 phf: oh pff, i might've done some ... questionable things in the past

22:01:51 ben_vulpes: > we had a ruby script that would use the rb-appscript gem to interface with Apple Terminal and run all of the dependencies in different terminal tabs.

22:02:01 ben_vulpes: why fork when you can automate the UI?

22:03:29 phf: right right, i missed that part (1am here should probably be sleeping)

22:06:20 mircea_popescu: anton_osika obviously it'd be encrypted to 71A1EC4E1B6C7DD853FD856C86AC5789F93ED2E7. i thought that was you.

22:07:28 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/212a488412647cbadfb0c5637feb2e81/tumblr_nukah5Ypbs1tm0lv8o1_400.gif

22:07:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke3weQ )

22:08:28 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275346 << if only it actually were a hypothesis. but it's one of those things that anything's consisted with retrospectively.

22:08:28 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 20:57:17; ascii_field: mats: consistent with 'controlled chaos' hypothesis.

22:09:49 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275353 << you are not proposing "an arsonist". there isn't another place for the us to go. you are proposing the arson school of home improvement. this, i've yet to observe in practice. outside of pashtuns taken into city dwellings forcibly, or, as the case may be, ustards forced into civilisation against their will.

22:09:49 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 20:59:46; ascii_field: does an arsonist need to precisely specify the shape of the flames ?

22:10:16 mircea_popescu: think that hitler didn't manage to give democracy such a pair of black eyes as the us populace did.

22:11:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275359 << bwhahahaha and ants are a ploy to inflate cement futures ?

22:11:18 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:08:37; ascii_field: 'radical islam' is a usg golem created to diddle ru

22:11:20 mircea_popescu: cmon.

22:11:43 mircea_popescu: for one thing, radical islam predates russia, which incidentally in this sort of historical context is the kiev duchy not the moscow duchy.

22:11:49 mircea_popescu: ie ukraine-poland.

22:12:09 mircea_popescu: leaving aside the truly junior partner in any serious discussion

22:14:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275361 << heh no wonder no action on https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/

22:14:18 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:08:54; shinohai: http://xtnodes.com/xt_blocks_pie_chart.php hue

22:14:18 assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (97%) on Yes, 2.91 B (3%) on No | closing in 9 months 2 weeks | weight: 92`522 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JoYZVq )

22:14:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275363 << ru has seen on tv how "the big boys do it", ie, how the ustard makes everything about itself. would like to copy this to feel grown-up for once.

22:14:59 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:09:14; mats: how is this a problem for ru? ru is largely ethnically and culturally homogenous, no?

22:15:11 mircea_popescu: in about 500 years or so of looking through doorcrack at table.

22:15:21 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:15:23 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275461 << brzezinski ~explicitly~ spells it out.

22:15:23 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 22:08:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275346 << if only it actually were a hypothesis. but it's one of those things that anything's consisted with retrospectively.

22:15:37 mircea_popescu: including a prediction ? link plox ?

22:15:49 ascii_field: not prediction. prescription.

22:16:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5936 @ 0.00076416 = 4.5361 BTC [+]

22:16:15 ascii_field: it is in his dead tree, 'grand chessboard.'

22:16:36 mircea_popescu: looky. you familiar with that theory that you can't have a fighter jet as a birthday present ? same principle. hypothesis only exists as part of a triad : phenomenon under examination (or set of constraints ; or again paradigm or w/e) + hypothesis + prediction set.

22:16:39 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275469 << the current thing is in no sense historically contiguous with anything pre-colonial.

22:16:39 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 22:11:43; mircea_popescu: for one thing, radical islam predates russia, which incidentally in this sort of historical context is the kiev duchy not the moscow duchy.

22:16:41 mircea_popescu: there's no hypothesis on its own.

22:17:03 mircea_popescu: seems to me to be entirely contiguous with pre-ottoman times even.

22:17:07 ascii_field: hypothesis, correctly formulated, is 'u.s. is following mr b's 'grand chessboard'.'

22:17:22 mircea_popescu: like risk, the international game of intrigue ?

22:17:28 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275459 <<< got trolled by mircea_popescu

22:17:28 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 22:07:28; mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/212a488412647cbadfb0c5637feb2e81/tumblr_nukah5Ypbs1tm0lv8o1_400.gif

22:17:44 ascii_field: the phrase is his.

22:18:05 mircea_popescu: im sorry alf, i can't count this as anything.

22:18:21 *: mircea_popescu is more than happy to give credit where credit is due but this doth not constitute an item.

22:18:49 mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/SVq0H/image << for le lolz.

22:18:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke5kV9 )

22:22:16 mircea_popescu: !up akkked

22:27:31 shinohai: I should make a lulz bot to archive the "best of"

22:30:14 shinohai: Evenin' pete_dushenski

22:30:51 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/f69c9e47054fae9f4d791176f4818bed/tumblr_n22yl80PWd1qz8x31o1_400.gif << in which fox news has nfi what a thigh gap is.

22:30:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke7rIC )

22:31:32 mircea_popescu: let us explain. in physiologically normal adult human females, the thighs touch but for a narrow space around the outer labia. it has a very specific shape that's pretty invariant across the ethnic groups.

22:32:08 mircea_popescu: so no, it's not "in between the thighs". it's in between the cunt and the thighs.

22:32:09 pete_dushenski: howdy shinohai

22:32:54 pete_dushenski: thunt gap (tm)

22:33:49 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: lelz

22:35:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275370 << o hey, we actually get to that. anyway, it's not so terribly different from how rome was a "nation". various actual nations in various states of digestion, also in various states of dependency, and an originator preserved in name only. the original latins were a tiny spec also.

22:35:15 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:11:12; ascii_field: mats: http://galstonok.rusedu.net/gallery/3100/Moskovskoe_knyazhestvo_v_XIV_v..gif << the pink part is moscow duchy circa 1300.

22:35:40 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so no, it's not "in between the thighs". it's in between the cunt and the thighs. << I think it started off as a tublr meme, small part optical illusion created by a slight leaning forward of the torso allowing the feet to be parted and looking as though standing up, because... ;tldr

22:36:33 mircea_popescu: mnah. stand the girl up knees touching. you should be able to insert two fingers in the space right under her slit. that's all.

22:37:01 mircea_popescu: (it's also how things like thigh fucking got started, which is how people "fuck" very young girls to this very day.)

22:37:43 punkman: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3232561/Forget-thigh-gap-Kendall-Jenner-Khloe-Kardashian-Beyonce-spur-new-thighbrow-trend-social-media.html

22:37:43 assbot: Kendall Jenner, Khloe Kardashian and Beyonce spur new 'thighbrow' trend | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke8cBc )

22:37:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275382 << and africa. and alaska. and patagonia. and omaigerd, the us proper.

22:37:56 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:15:04; ascii_field: well, it and cold fusion.

22:38:10 shinohai: The Kardashians are also developers now, so I guess that makes me one too.

22:38:50 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> mnah. stand the girl up knees touching. you should be able to insert two fingers in the space right under her slit. that's all. << Of course, but in the selfie era people find ways to photographically exagerate ala the FGAS

22:38:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275392 << check it out, the usg stole cryptome ?

22:38:52 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:18:14; trinque: http://cryptome.org/ << on the homepage too

22:39:00 ben_vulpes: was that fox or colbert's satire routine?

22:39:12 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes isn't that guy's name fox ? hence fox news ?

22:39:49 ben_vulpes: stephen colbert, boss.

22:39:56 mircea_popescu: hm.

22:40:09 ben_vulpes: don't put it past fox, ofc, but...that guy's a 'comedian'.

22:40:23 mircea_popescu: but he's the guy with all the idiotic "jokes" built around thinly veiled if deeply stupid agenda ?

22:40:51 shinohai: Joe Biden jokingly offered to be his veep if he runs for prez

22:40:51 mircea_popescu: that then spawned an entire school of "humorists", like you know, the equivalent of the nazi party agitprop folks,

22:40:59 mircea_popescu: who also thought they were pretty fucking cool and hip and whatnot.

22:41:01 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but he's the guy with all the idiotic "jokes" built around thinly veiled if deeply stupid agenda ? << That's the Oliver guy

22:41:13 BingoBoingo: Or the Stewart guy,

22:41:16 pete_dushenski: oliver is a branch on the john stewart tree, same as colbert

22:41:16 ben_vulpes: not stewart?

22:41:17 mircea_popescu: jesus

22:41:19 BingoBoingo: Or there's too many of them

22:41:24 *: ben_vulpes squints at the tree of horseshit

22:41:28 *: ben_vulpes goes back to producing horseshit

22:41:31 ben_vulpes: hey guys

22:41:36 ben_vulpes: ever fill out a security assesment?

22:41:38 mircea_popescu: how about we just call the generic type fox and then i can think fox news was named for him and we move on ?

22:41:48 trinque: that colbert guy gave biden a lavish dick polishing on CBS recently

22:41:48 ben_vulpes: no because no foxes are savvy yo

22:41:56 mircea_popescu: oh shit.

22:42:16 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/9a26a759864508df769dbc0430a187fb/tumblr_nuk653l2MS1uq2n6jo1_250.gif

22:42:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQSrWC )

22:42:25 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: genre savvy

22:42:52 ben_vulpes: grunge savvy

22:42:54 ben_vulpes: grunt savvy

22:43:08 ben_vulpes: omgtehkittens

22:43:19 ben_vulpes: clearly pussyday at casa popescu

22:43:22 trinque: have yet to close

22:44:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275398 << well you don't yet know if run by tards or run by people who just got kidnapped etc.

22:44:45 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:20:27; ascii_field: can has a cryptome NOT run by tards ?

22:45:32 mircea_popescu: in either case one should prolly regard the site as an entirely new thjing.

22:46:10 ben_vulpes: "is remoted access to networks protected?"

22:46:27 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274685 << masochist.

22:46:27 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 15:03:06; shinohai: "My gf said she was bad and needed to be punished, so I installed Windows 10 on her laptop."

22:47:20 *: ben_vulpes 's bullshit producer needs more booze

22:47:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12708 @ 0.00076725 = 9.7502 BTC [+] {3}

22:48:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275401 << there is exactly no beenfit in providing "the world" with any sort of service.

22:48:33 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:21:53; ascii_field: iirc mircea_popescu hosted some of the leaked u.s. telegrams at one point

22:51:24 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274731 << hahaha. wd AND hilariously redundant title

22:51:24 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 16:22:59; deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b3

22:52:33 trinque: deedbot- barfeth what deedbot- muncheth

22:53:51 mircea_popescu: o look at that, short form keyids too.

22:53:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00076569 = 19.0657 BTC [-]

22:54:04 mircea_popescu: dawg this crypto cutting edge is so fucking dull...

22:54:22 mats: bet still reads 'ETC' in description

22:54:39 mats: >Irrespective of traded price, this bet resolves as Yes if the total traded ETC/BTC volume ...

22:56:57 mircea_popescu: material error!

22:58:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275427 << this is a good chunk of what i meant above about "the general public". fuck them, srsly, i should spend as much as a byte's bandwidth to provide derps things so what, derplife doesn't suck so bad ?

22:58:21 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:39:07; ascii_field: mats: in practice, if something is not immediately available, it is not part of the conversation.

22:58:23 mircea_popescu: let it suck worse.

22:58:37 mircea_popescu: the only immoral thing in this world is a derp that has things.

23:01:57 mircea_popescu: o hey, apparently ethereum had a "people can remotely take your eth from your wallet" bug sometime in late august ?

23:02:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00076735 = 9.8988 BTC [+]

23:02:02 mircea_popescu: herp.

23:03:12 shinohai: Yes I remember that, they were upset that I mocked them for it and said it was really a feature or something.

23:06:15 shinohai: https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/637568664645054464

23:07:27 mircea_popescu: oh makes sense.

23:07:37 mircea_popescu: yeah, total feature. keeps the economy going.

23:09:06 mircea_popescu: and for all the cat protestors, http://40.media.tumblr.com/5a5a6cbf35c471dda8bb01f2eab6bd83/tumblr_ns9s8hjUr61tm0lv8o1_500.jpg

23:09:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ifvdwd )

23:10:58 ben_vulpes: bawwwww

23:11:18 ben_vulpes: wait ive got one too

23:11:18 ben_vulpes: https://instagram.com/p/7n_oQfLkRA/

23:11:20 assbot: Natalie Upton on Instagram: “Margot loves to wake Fin from her afternoon siesta with a whole lot of #littlesisterinyoface. ???????? #pressplay #finleygirlandgogo #everyday #wakeup #kisses” ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQTCVX )

23:19:11 BingoBoingo: http://www.awesomeinventions.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/top-hat-snake.jpg

23:19:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQTWUR )

23:20:53 mircea_popescu: ehehehehe

23:20:54 mircea_popescu: great.

23:21:17 shinohai: d'awww

23:23:43 BingoBoingo: Wait, here's another http://www.awesomeinventions.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/minute-snake-fingers.jpg

23:23:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQU4DB )

23:23:53 punkman: I saw a dog steal an unopened bag of cheetos while I was buying some tobacco from a kiosk couple days ago. guy inside shrugs "what am I gonna do, chase the fucking mutt". I wonder if some bum trained the dog, it was wearing a length of string as a collar.

23:24:34 BingoBoingo: Nah punkman, If I were a bum training dogs I'd train him to steal the tobacco

23:24:51 punkman: tobacco is kept inside though

23:24:59 BingoBoingo: Dog can jump

23:25:12 punkman: dog was pretty sneaky in his approach too

23:25:43 BingoBoingo: What can be done with cheetos? They aren't food. Can't imagine they would ferment to something drinkable.

23:27:10 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/d034c312c11b920e3309df0a27e3993e/tumblr_myy4k6BtCn1qlsrn9o2_500.gif i lolld

23:27:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUc66 )

23:28:21 mircea_popescu: whyte guys can't say ho!

23:28:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137999 @ 0.00077379 = 106.7822 BTC [+] {10}

23:30:57 ben_vulpes: lol what is that from

23:31:32 trinque: "Ho indeed Mr President."

23:31:40 trinque: o my sides

23:33:17 mircea_popescu: https://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3l1o26/jameson_lopp_if_lightning_networks_become_popular/ << check it out. a tweet gets a buncha reddit upvotes. because why ? because it's from some schmuck (that lopp derp) that's being implanted.

23:33:19 assbot: Jameson Lopp: "If Lightning Networks become popular, running a LN node will be the first truly safe way to "invest" bitcoins and achieve positive ROI." : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUqKx )

23:33:35 mircea_popescu: remember how you never heard of X idiot until one day he's apparently a big deal and putting some real pro effort into it ?

23:33:42 mircea_popescu: that's how antonoderps are born.

23:34:22 BingoBoingo: lol how many times does he comment on his own derp https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3l1o26/jameson_lopp_if_lightning_networks_become_popular/cv2px5d

23:34:23 assbot: statoshi comments on Jameson Lopp: "If Lightning Networks become popular, running a LN node will be the first truly safe way to "invest" bitcoins and achieve positive ROI." ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUt92 )

23:34:47 mircea_popescu: and you can convince me it's a natural process by showing me naturally occuring steel lattice girders and meteors in the shape of chicken wire.

23:36:43 BingoBoingo: lol, This is not biology. Si Fab is closer to biology than this.

23:40:11 *: ben_vulpes is reading the 2013 pynchon—pretty lulzy lambasting of the dotcom shitshow + the idiocy of nyc immediately before the jetfuelcantmeltsteelbeams incident

23:40:58 ben_vulpes: Among the mystery vendors discovered by the resourceful Eric Outfield down in the encrypted files of hashslingrz is a fiber brokerage called Darklinear Solutions.

23:40:59 ben_vulpes: Who in their right mind, you wonder, would go into fiber these days, given the huge decline in new installation since last year? Well, back during the tech bubble, it seems so much cabling was put in that now miles of existing fiber are just sitting there what they call “dark,” and the result is that outfits like Darklinear have come swooping down on the carcass of the business, scouting out overinstalled, unused fiber in otherwise

23:40:59 ben_vulpes: “lit” buildings, mapping it, helping clients put together customized private networks.

23:40:59 ben_vulpes: What’s puzzling Maxine is why hashslingrz’s payments to Darklinear are being kept hidden when they don’t have to be. Fiber’s a legitimate company expense, bandwidth needs at hashslingrz more than justify it, even the IRS seems to be happy. And yet, just as with hwgaahwgh.com, the dollar amounts are way too big, and somebody’s putting up password protection out of all proportion.

23:42:22 ben_vulpes: ("Hey, We've Got Awesome And Hip Web Graphix, Here")

23:42:41 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and you can convince me it's a natural process by showing me naturally occuring steel lattice girders and meteors in the shape of chicken wire. << And now that we are making fun of Lopp'd off his penis qntra is being DDoS

23:44:47 ben_vulpes: http://38.media.tumblr.com/f024218f8fb441f134565410faa46791/tumblr_inline_nrrdqrpo251raprkq_500.gif

23:44:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUNEN )

23:45:34 trinque: ahhaa

23:45:37 trinque: *ahaha

23:47:25 shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3l33io/if_youve_ever_wanted_to_see_a_cult_pray_for_a/ <<< moar

23:47:26 assbot: If you've ever wanted to see a cult pray for a piece of vaporware to exist, now is your chance. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlzXHa )

23:47:41 mod6: asciilifeform: ok, I've the the links part figured out: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html

23:47:42 assbot: GRAPH_V ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp )

23:48:03 trinque: mod6: very cool!

23:48:44 mod6: thanks :]

23:49:47 mod6: i think there is also some sort of mechanical way I can walk through my validated seals hash and perhaps somehow label the node who whom has signed.

23:50:13 mod6: i dunno, gotta think on it a bit on how that would look -- might just be a mouse-over or "alt" type of attribute.

23:53:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00076735 = 19.3372 BTC [-]

23:55:00 ben_vulpes: client security wants to know if we do risk analysis on "emerging mobile code"

23:55:10 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CL0NPdGVEAANoQQ.jpg:large

23:55:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQVbU2 )

23:55:11 trinque: :|

23:55:19 ben_vulpes: myeah because coffeescript on node.js with mongodb and a half-baked orm wasn't considered a risk

23:55:33 trinque: what in the fuck is emerging mobile code

23:55:50 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275630 << this is glorious.

23:55:50 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 23:47:41; mod6: asciilifeform: ok, I've the the links part figured out: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html

23:55:57 asciilifeform: but they prolly ought to be blue/linkified

23:56:21 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275611 << along with many other u.s. folks, i ~watched~ this happen with obama

23:56:21 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 23:33:35; mircea_popescu: remember how you never heard of X idiot until one day he's apparently a big deal and putting some real pro effort into it ?

23:56:32 BingoBoingo: <trinque> what in the fuck is emerging mobile code << Gentoo mobile

23:56:44 asciilifeform: he was trotted out during a commentary broadcast re: the 2004 election

23:56:44 *: trinque babbles incoherently about trigger warning

23:56:55 asciilifeform: just mentioned.

23:57:07 asciilifeform: 'the new up-and-coming senator, likely presidential hopeful, ....'

23:57:10 asciilifeform: mr. whatthefuck

23:57:29 asciilifeform: i actually misparsed his name, it was slightly mangled, 'who is baracko bama ???!

23:57:59 asciilifeform: distinct recollection, i asked the pet, 'what kind of name is baracko ?!'

23:58:18 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> he was trotted out during a commentary broadcast re: the 2004 election << 2004 during that Senate primary East Saint was covered in signs for the "heritage" anglo candiate for that seat. Literally every boarded up window had a sign. Obama still won.

23:58:54 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275572 << i can see this perspective. but what i can't see is why operate qntra, fraudsters, phuctor, etc. if this.

23:58:54 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 22:58:21; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275427 << this is a good chunk of what i meant above about "the general public". fuck them, srsly, i should spend as much as a byte's bandwidth to provide derps things so what, derplife doesn't suck so bad ?

23:59:04 asciilifeform: or kako's logs

23:59:06 BingoBoingo: BLAIR HULL, that's the cracker who had the signs

23:59:11 asciilifeform: after all, they face the public.

23:59:18 asciilifeform: givin' out bytez for PHREE!!!!

23:59:50 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> givin' out bytez for PHREE!!!! << But they offer PHREE humiliation to the public