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00:00:19 punkman: mircea_popescu: btw what happens to dividends if I don't take delivery of bbet shares?

00:03:02 nubbins`: http://gawker.com/nude-beach-blow-job-jet-ski-fight-leads-to-wife-s-death-1608253016

00:03:03 assbot: Nude Beach Blow Job Jet Ski Fight Leads to Wifes Death

00:03:15 nubbins`: it's like they just rolled a bunch of word dice.

00:03:30 punkman: can't resist title

00:06:13 kakobrekla: sorta back

00:06:26 kakobrekla: well what is at stake here, a few bit cents?

00:06:42 BingoBoingo: T m s.bbet

00:06:48 BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet

00:06:48 assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00036 / 0.00036 / 0.00036 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC)

00:06:51 punkman: pretty much

00:07:35 kakobrekla: so it does not require much if any attention really

00:08:02 kakobrekla: dobian then?

00:08:15 kakobrekla: debian*

00:08:29 punkman: should do it

00:09:36 kakobrekla: ;;ident punkman

00:09:37 gribble: Nick 'punkman', with hostmask 'punkman!~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman', is identified as user 'punkman', with GPG key id 33588BE08B232B13, key fingerprint F28E0095843B91CB22E7D65533588BE08B232B13, and bitcoin address None

00:09:56 BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr

00:09:57 assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.

00:10:22 nubbins`: no trades yet

00:10:33 BingoBoingo: No shares yet

00:10:37 nubbins`: heh

00:10:41 nubbins`: no yet

00:11:53 nubbins`: IPO documents: bringing faces to irc nicks since 2011

00:12:47 BingoBoingo: Oh, you didn't see my slave name was lready on fraudsters?

00:13:01 nubbins`: guess i missed it!

00:15:46 nubbins`: wait, you left a death threat on someone's voicemail?!

00:15:47 nubbins`: my sides

00:18:33 BingoBoingo: Allegedly

00:19:28 BingoBoingo: Also allegedly the other party is not a conservative, but the avatar of socialism incarnate.

00:21:58 cazalla: figured some people would begin digging, good luck, i'm behind 7 proxies

00:22:07 kakobrekla: punkman see pm

00:23:47 kakobrekla: punkman make a new user for the thing clearly

00:26:28 BingoBoingo: !up go1111111

00:29:29 BingoBoingo: !up Tiraspol

00:29:45 BingoBoingo: !up PeterL

00:30:21 []bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 38(Y):62(N) by coin, 41(Y):59(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.65541987 BTC. Current weight: 52,100.

00:31:58 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

00:32:00 gribble: Current Blocks: 325354 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 1237 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 7 hours, 13 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35959402986.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.73387

00:37:10 thickasthieves: https://twitter.com/brockpierce/status/522146989102751745

00:37:12 assbot: /moolah_io Contact me.

00:41:33 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

00:44:56 devthedev: It's nice to see Qntra back up.

00:45:15 BingoBoingo: Yeah, now the new hosting is strong on plow

00:48:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 950 @ 0.0011 = 1.045 BTC [+] {2}

00:48:59 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/more-tampered-p-e-i-potatoes-found-in-n-s-and-newfoundland-1.2798329

00:49:00 assbot: More tampered P.E.I. potatoes found in N.S. and Newfoundland - - CBC News

01:00:36 BingoBoingo: !up jacoblyles

01:00:39 BingoBoingo: !up themediator

01:04:56 BingoBoingo: SexySaffron got a dye job https://twitter.com/SexyMissSaffron/status/522190151637024771

01:04:57 assbot: /hashtag/tittytuesday?src=hash What do you guys think of me as a blonde? ;) /hashtag/NSFW?src=hash /hashtag/boobies?src=hash http://t.co/tnGAlGl1Ja

01:06:29 cazalla: niice

01:08:35 devthedev: Hmm, what to write about

01:10:12 BingoBoingo: devthedev: Maybe write about how Mullenwang sucks a big bag of dicks?

01:10:34 devthedev: I'm not aware of who that is

01:12:31 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

01:12:45 devthedev: I love you too assbot.

01:12:46 BingoBoingo: devthedev: He's the benevolent dick of WordPress

01:13:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10077 @ 0.00073858 = 7.4427 BTC [+]

01:14:07 cazalla: devthedev, i was going to write up the moolah story but you can do that one if you like, i have another one to work on

01:14:29 devthedev: Okay, I actually worked with Moolah personally in the past.

01:14:41 devthedev: Interesting character

01:14:55 BingoBoingo: Maybe two Moolah stories then?

01:15:52 devthedev: Possibly

01:16:04 devthedev: dns refresh, brb

01:17:02 cazalla: you might have to forward your article to BingoBoingo devthedev, i'm unable to access the dashboard yet

01:17:26 devthedev: Okay

01:17:40 devthedev: DNS hasn't propagated over there yet?

01:17:42 BingoBoingo: Yeah, cazalla is testing how we handle submitters

01:23:22 BingoBoingo: !up applesaucer

01:23:25 BingoBoingo: Hello applesaucer

01:34:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.11898181 = 1.3088 BTC [+] {2}

01:42:30 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/14/qntra-continues-to-own/

01:44:49 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

01:45:18 BingoBoingo: Fight Matt Mullenwang, vote up on /. http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3912903

01:45:19 assbot: WordPress Defaults Preserve Avenue For Denial of Service Attacks - Slashdot

01:45:42 BingoBoingo: !up toddf

01:45:45 mircea_popescu: !up JimDowJo3es

01:45:49 BingoBoingo: !up bettycla1p

01:46:35 mircea_popescu: <punkman> mircea_popescu: btw what happens to dividends if I don't take delivery of bbet shares? << you don';t get em

01:47:55 devthedev: Well it looks like Moolah investors are at a loss.

01:49:19 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> devthedev: Maybe write about how Mullenwang sucks a big bag of dicks? <<< btw, you want data to write a qntra ddos piece or not really ?

01:49:35 devthedev: Yes please!

01:50:41 mircea_popescu: devthedev "investors"

01:51:13 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Put one on the personal blawg http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3912903

01:51:14 assbot: WordPress Defaults Preserve Avenue For Denial of Service Attacks - Slashdot

01:51:26 devthedev: I always have this in the back of my mind, Lol <kakobrekla> you have a death wish?

01:51:30 BingoBoingo: thedrinkingrecord.com now DOS'd

01:51:39 mircea_popescu: lol

01:52:21 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you ever tried phone sex btw ?

01:52:24 BingoBoingo: At least Dreamhost admits fault when their shitbox plan sucks dick

01:52:35 mircea_popescu: you get a condom, put the phone inside, then shove it in either the girl's vagina or asshole

01:52:42 mircea_popescu: then fuck the other hole while calling the inserted phone

01:53:35 mircea_popescu: bonus points if she manages to pick up and you can hear yourself sloshing

01:54:09 mircea_popescu: !up Tykling

01:54:17 devthedev: You would think that they would at least keep the Moolah site online as the community's gathering info for our negative articles.

01:54:54 BingoBoingo: devthedev: Well, what is their interest in that

01:55:44 Apocalyptic: damn, it was up a few minutes ago

01:56:35 devthedev: Maybe someone discovered the server IP and DoS'ed it?

01:57:56 BingoBoingo: devthedev: Server IP should be obvious, cloudflare bullshit is for mammilian potatoes

01:57:59 Apocalyptic: devthedev, some mad "investor" ? poor consolation

01:58:21 devthedev: Maybe Apocalyptic.

01:58:57 devthedev: BingoBoingo: Yeah, there's a ton of cloudflare resolvers that are pretty accurate. (Tried finding my server IP behind it)

01:59:03 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo perhaps ddoser is reading the lawgs

01:59:30 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Maybe, but atm they are just making my dick harder

02:00:25 BingoBoingo: I don't surrender to motherfuckers who could arrest me, why would I surrender to people who merely DOS me?

02:00:59 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wouldn't be too worried about it, pop back up by tomorrow or w/e

02:04:03 mircea_popescu: lmao 1/4 gb qntra logfile

02:04:11 mircea_popescu: this is going to be a riot tomorrow.

02:05:01 BingoBoingo: I dunno how much hate I have left to give, and I'm full of hate at the moment.

02:05:06 Apocalyptic: mircea, the DDOS is still ongoing ?

02:05:22 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic apparently.

02:05:30 mircea_popescu: well it's not doing anything, but i guess so, yeah.

02:05:51 BingoBoingo: I kind of thought having the slave name on the listing would make people less inclined to feed me hate.

02:07:17 BingoBoingo: Or does google lack updated pictures of my beard

02:09:42 devthedev: Hm, https://twitter.com/Altpocalypse_/status/522203626899779584

02:09:44 assbot: Anyone else see the humor in /moolah_io advertising zero fee trading to entice people into depositing before they shut down?

02:12:05 BingoBoingo: !up csshih

02:14:16 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2014/10/living-room-of-satoshi-packs-it-in/

02:14:17 assbot: Living Room of Satoshi Packs It In

02:14:23 mircea_popescu: myeah, it's visible alright.

02:14:26 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/

02:14:27 assbot: Qntra.net - The #1 Bitcoin Site For News, Views & Commentary

02:15:26 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

02:15:37 BingoBoingo: devthedev: Maybe gribble auth?

02:16:07 devthedev: I'm on the laptop

02:16:40 mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo should be interesting to see what quantcast makes of this lmao

02:16:47 BingoBoingo: Indeed

02:17:21 BingoBoingo: Then again the way quantcast discounted all of Yesterday

02:17:23 BingoBoingo: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net

02:17:24 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast

02:19:54 BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney

02:19:54 kakobrekla: !up mpmcsweeney

02:19:59 kakobrekla: ha

02:20:04 BingoBoingo: lol

02:20:05 mpmcsweeney: ty

02:20:13 kakobrekla: ill take mine back

02:20:15 kakobrekla: !down mpmcsweeney

02:20:22 BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney

02:20:25 mpmcsweeney: lol

02:20:29 kakobrekla: still got two!

02:20:32 BingoBoingo: mpmcsweeney: You aren't getting Dos too are you?

02:20:43 mpmcsweeney: denial of service?

02:21:01 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol such bs

02:21:08 devthedev: Does anyone know if there's a way to determine how long a site's been offline?

02:21:13 BingoBoingo: Yeah, Everyone is Dos'ing people by weaponizing mommy blogs

02:21:23 BingoBoingo: !up xinxi

02:21:46 xinxi: why do you up me?

02:21:47 mike_c: devthedev: if popular it will be on here: http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/

02:21:47 assbot: Is It Down Right Now? Website Down or Not?

02:21:56 BingoBoingo: xinxi: Because you are interesting

02:22:09 xinxi: oh, thanks

02:22:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25047 @ 0.00073565 = 18.4258 BTC [-]

02:23:06 cazalla: when can that static page be removed from qntra?

02:23:32 BingoBoingo: cazalla: qntra nao has normal home page

02:24:29 cazalla: yeah i can see that, not login yet, gonna jump on windows and see what it is like there

02:27:34 cazalla: ya can't use commas? swear i have done that before, probably ran into same problem

02:27:50 mircea_popescu: lol noob

02:28:12 mircea_popescu: ppls are "wtf is he talking about. can't be." then later "oh."

02:28:53 mircea_popescu: well anyway, consider these past few hours your baptism of fire ?

02:29:14 mircea_popescu: not that many week old sites get quarter gb apache logfiles after all.

02:29:29 mircea_popescu: in fact, that may well exceed the total logfile of all bitcoin newsites to date.

02:30:12 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> not that many week old sites get quarter gb apache logfiles after all. << Actually this is the ass end of week 2

02:30:22 mircea_popescu: a ok

02:30:28 mircea_popescu: THAT CHANGES ERRYTHING

02:30:57 BingoBoingo: For Srs, also first, best time thedrinkingrecord was Dos

02:31:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The domain qntra.net qntra has reached its bandwidth limit (22195.78/20000.00 Megs).

02:31:36 mircea_popescu: uh no ?!

02:31:52 BingoBoingo: Dunno if real, but email says so

02:32:07 BingoBoingo: I assume email lies though

02:32:16 Apocalyptic: same here

02:32:21 Apocalyptic: "Bandwidth Limit Exceeded"

02:32:22 mircea_popescu: may be only now scripts are catching up with all the funs.

02:32:29 mircea_popescu: im having it looked into.

02:32:54 BingoBoingo: So... when do we hand wp_matt

02:32:59 BingoBoingo: *hang

02:33:40 mircea_popescu: yep you're over bw. sec.

02:33:51 cazalla: oh great, login becomes available, site goes down again

02:34:13 mircea_popescu: dawgs, 20gb in six hours ? heh.

02:34:26 BingoBoingo: This is my 12th consecutive hour just straight up mainlining hate.

02:34:33 BingoBoingo: A /.ing isn't this bad

02:35:35 nubbins`: what in the world are you into

02:35:51 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Obola it seems

02:36:01 BingoBoingo: Ebumma must dislike us

02:36:15 nubbins`: ebummer, dude

02:36:22 BingoBoingo: !up DowntimeBsns

02:36:34 BingoBoingo: What's up DowntimeBsns

02:36:49 DowntimeBsns: shared host lol

02:36:57 BingoBoingo: Well, used to be

02:37:01 DowntimeBsns: gj

02:37:09 BingoBoingo: Now just niggers.txt

02:37:22 BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: Are you the reddit police?

02:37:27 DowntimeBsns: yes

02:37:40 BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: Why do u hate me?

02:37:52 BingoBoingo: I live in tent. I homeless leik u.

02:37:59 DowntimeBsns: oh

02:38:06 Apocalyptic: mircea, can't you just nullroute the offending IPs or is the range too broad ?

02:38:07 mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo should be back in business.

02:38:16 BingoBoingo: Just trying to earn super legit living DowntimeBsns

02:38:22 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic eh let teh kids have funs.

02:38:33 DowntimeBsns: why don't you guys start a hosting business

02:38:38 cazalla: DowntimeBsns, you know we punch on for less than this down under

02:38:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: qntra seems up

02:38:49 DowntimeBsns: instead of derping over shit service providers

02:39:04 mircea_popescu: DowntimeBsns you must be new here.

02:39:20 BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: WHy Y bully me and not Dogescam? Or Obola Scam?

02:39:56 DowntimeBsns: i'm goat

02:39:59 DowntimeBsns: fuck you

02:40:10 BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: Why U instead pick on people trying to adapt to economy nuevo

02:40:23 devthedev: Lol

02:40:37 mircea_popescu: lmao

02:40:44 mircea_popescu: it must suck to suck.

02:42:51 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/qntra-ddos-2.png <<< how's 40mbps sound ?

02:43:12 mircea_popescu: but oh no, matt derpyweed knows better and has made "technical tradebacks" or w/e they're called.

02:44:31 assbot: PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

02:44:40 BingoBoingo: !up PinkPosixPXE

02:48:48 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

02:48:52 assbot: PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

02:49:55 BingoBoingo: !up PinkPosixPXE

02:50:01 BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: You can talk nao

02:51:58 BingoBoingo: !up AndChat|679296

02:54:36 PinkPosixPXE: So to get level 2, I have to accomplish a few trades that go well and get in the ranking system, correct?

02:55:06 mircea_popescu: basically.

02:55:14 PinkPosixPXE: k, just making sure I wasn't confused

02:55:20 BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Not necessarlily trades, but situations definitely

02:55:50 PinkPosixPXE: ah, so I Don't have to trade

02:55:51 PinkPosixPXE: ?

02:55:58 PinkPosixPXE: I read the documentation, but I think I'm missing something

02:55:58 mircea_popescu: o hey, here we go again, round... 3 is it ?

02:56:26 mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE as long as someone o nthe lordship list trusts you you're in.

02:56:35 kakobrekla: PinkPosixPXE got any skills?

02:56:38 PinkPosixPXE: I gotcha

02:56:41 BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: What do you do?

02:57:06 PinkPosixPXE: I just didn't want to jump into trading right away, but if that was the requirement for level 2/+v, wanted to check

02:57:16 PinkPosixPXE: I am a Sr. Linux Systems Admin

02:57:24 PinkPosixPXE: For a Publishing company

02:57:32 BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Requirement for L2 is impress somebody. How can you impress?

02:57:34 PinkPosixPXE: I work with nix variations, server maintenance

02:57:46 PinkPosixPXE: Do you need a bash script written

02:57:48 BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: What's your favorite *nix?

02:57:55 BingoBoingo: I dun use bash

02:57:59 BingoBoingo: Korn

02:58:13 BingoBoingo: Ok band, mediocre shell

02:58:26 PinkPosixPXE: I really prefer rhel/centos, but ubuntu is ok too, we use a variety of flavors in our environment, but those are the main ones.

02:58:40 kakobrekla: ubuntu :(

02:58:57 BingoBoingo: RH is on the naughty list for pushing SystemDeviant out

02:59:02 kakobrekla: skinned windows.

02:59:06 PinkPosixPXE: and OEL

02:59:09 BingoBoingo: And keeping Poettering from starving

02:59:12 PinkPosixPXE: for our oracle database clusters

02:59:30 PinkPosixPXE: I don't choose the OS's, I just build them, configure, and maintain them when they break while management snaps the whip

02:59:39 kakobrekla: no worries

03:00:08 PinkPosixPXE: You know how it goes, but I have to work with a lot of different things, so it broadens my skillset

03:00:12 PinkPosixPXE: anywho

03:00:18 BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Any recommendations for scalable server on Motorola 68K?

03:00:21 PinkPosixPXE: before I ramble

03:00:35 BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: You try writing prose at all?

03:00:59 kakobrekla: Whats the ramble about?

03:01:22 BingoBoingo: rabble

03:02:59 PinkPosixPXE: BingoBoingo: A Motorola 6800, hrm fairly old, you want to scale out and replace it, or change the setup how, precisely?

03:03:46 PinkPosixPXE: BingoBoingo: I have written prose, unfortunately to a fault at times... I'm not very succinct

03:03:55 BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: I want a 6830, but with a GHz class clock. Or... daydreams

03:04:05 BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Try a post for qntra

03:04:26 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: resource limit reached again

03:05:00 Apocalyptic: %d

03:05:01 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 321004.15 in 185 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.91

03:05:01 BingoBoingo: thedrinkingrecord.com still abides nao that cacheing is reenavled

03:07:19 PinkPosixPXE: BingoBoingo: Do you enjoy playing with older hardware and different arch types? IT can be fun, just frustrating as well at times.

03:08:20 BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: It is the only way to play. C is supposed to be portable. If your kernel can't take SPARC or 68K I dunno if it is correct enough to live

03:08:50 Adlai: wtf -82.91%

03:09:56 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Tis ATC

03:10:30 Adlai: that's a fantastically ungoogleable tla

03:10:35 Apocalyptic: hopefully in a week we'll be at the new diff

03:12:29 BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch

03:14:05 PinkPosixPXE: I'll check out posting on qntra

03:14:19 PinkPosixPXE: or if anyone needs help with a linux issue, I can try to assist there

03:15:09 TomServo: Adlai: http://therealaltcoin.org/

03:15:10 assbot: The Real Altcoin (ATC) – Never Mine Another Altcoin Again

03:15:42 BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Know any way to seed an entropy pool in NEtBSD on MacSE/30?

03:20:11 nanotube: mircea_popescu: it used to sort by rating value... i figured sorting by rating total is a more informative first display... though ideally it would sort by 'total trust from nanotube' or something like that, but that would require writing some code to run those calculations in batch mode and caching them, cuz running every rater live would be expensive...

03:20:27 mircea_popescu: nanotube how a bout just sort on freshness ?

03:20:32 mircea_popescu: save everyone a click.

03:22:06 asciilifeform: interestingly, my favourite hosting co. is virtually ddos-proof and costs almost nothing.

03:22:35 asciilifeform: down side - only eats usd, and doesn't give actual machine (not even vm.) so no persistent processes.

03:23:08 asciilifeform: (re: ddos tale)

03:24:57 assbot: PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

03:25:09 asciilifeform: !up PinkPosixPXE

03:25:27 PinkPosixPXE: ty

03:25:29 PinkPosixPXE: BingoBoingo: I'd need more details, but essentially you can use rng-tools/rng to increase the entropy on a server. How it would be implemented for your exact use, would require more discussion.

03:25:47 asciilifeform: i think he's asking for hardware.

03:26:24 BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Yeah, talking about specific hardware I cooked before trying to gen GPG keys using the NetBSD PGP implementation

03:26:41 BingoBoingo: because apparently real Macs don't generate entropy

03:26:55 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from whence did you imagine it would come?

03:27:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cloud chamber...

03:27:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: incidentally, commodore-64 (and 128) had hardware noise. (in the 6581 sound chip.)

03:27:35 PinkPosixPXE: did it time out on generating a gpg key due to lack of entropy?

03:27:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that one: http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/parallelsid/parasid.html

03:27:41 assbot: Parallel Port SID6581 Interface

03:27:48 BingoBoingo: There were motherboard component that looked like they could fill the role

03:28:02 BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Not time out... cooked self

03:28:19 PinkPosixPXE: overheated?

03:28:25 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Could have been helpful

03:28:38 BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Overheated to the extent that magic smoke

03:28:44 PinkPosixPXE: wow

03:28:47 asciilifeform: magic smoke out of what ?

03:28:52 PinkPosixPXE: just trying to generate entropy

03:28:57 asciilifeform: if not sure from what, probably had electrolytic cap burst

03:29:02 asciilifeform: routine on vintage gear.

03:29:05 asciilifeform: find which, replace.

03:29:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Out of class mac case SE/30 lives in

03:29:37 asciilifeform: pop it, and post photo if it's been so long that your nose will not lead you to the culprit.

03:29:45 PinkPosixPXE: I mean, there's plenty of hardware abounds, it depends what you want, want to use it for, and your budget/access to hardware

03:30:01 PinkPosixPXE: then there's tools that help increase entropy

03:30:07 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> pop it, and post photo if it's been so long that your nose will not lead you to the culprit. << Maor concerned with shaming WP matt

03:30:28 *: asciilifeform unable to parse this sentence

03:31:03 PinkPosixPXE: ok, I'm not the only one struggling in that department ;P ... No offense intended of course

03:31:04 asciilifeform: PinkPosixPXE: tools that help increase entropy << what've we come to. as if the heat death of universe weren't arriving quickly enough...

03:33:14 PinkPosixPXE: hehe, well now the theory has changed to the "cold death" of the universe, as it's expanding at an ever increasing rate, and galaxies/etc. are moving further away

03:33:17 PinkPosixPXE: from each other

03:33:30 PinkPosixPXE: but I digress..

03:33:32 PinkPosixPXE: http://www.howtoforge.com/helping-the-random-number-generator-to-gain-enough-entropy-with-rng-tools-debian-lenny

03:33:32 assbot: Helping The Random Number Generator To Gain Enough Entropy With rng-tools (Debian Lenny) | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials

03:34:03 BingoBoingo: At the moment universe is headed to a hate death, because Wordpress's Matt Mullenwang dunno priorities

03:34:25 asciilifeform: PinkPosixPXE: this tool does precisely nothing without a hardware rng.

03:34:33 mircea_popescu: mkay, so with the 3rd attack the list of goat's botnet ips went from 1k to 3k items

03:34:37 PinkPosixPXE: ignore the debian portion, rng-tools is something most OS's should have available

03:34:41 PinkPosixPXE: So we have to increase entropy somehow. This can be done with rng-tools, a package to use a hardware true number generator (TRNG). Don't worry, you don't need any extra hardware, we will use /dev/urandom as our true number generator.

03:34:42 mircea_popescu: looking forward to full discovery.

03:34:50 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, qntra is back in working order.

03:36:07 PinkPosixPXE: Fixed my issue earlier today, entropy isn't solely hardware dependant,

03:36:28 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i cannot log in, again, 403

03:36:39 asciilifeform: PinkPosixPXE: in the sense of 'it works better if you plug it in' ?

03:36:41 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

03:36:50 mircea_popescu: cazalla meh, apparently he's got moar.

03:37:00 cazalla: in fact, entire site is 403 for me now except static page

03:38:44 PinkPosixPXE: it uses /dev/urandom, it's not hardware driven, it just pulls entropy through rng-tools software, rather than 'mouse input' or 'disk activity' etc.

03:41:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11129 @ 0.00073514 = 8.1814 BTC [-] {3}

03:42:52 asciilifeform: not hardware driven << a schoolboy can write his own 'mersenne twister', get the same inferior result, for no effort really.

03:43:08 mircea_popescu: why is mt inferior ?!

03:43:12 BingoBoingo: Twistor is harder though

03:43:17 PinkPosixPXE: There's that new usb device called 'entropy' which is a usb coin wallet, that you can just plug in https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/mycelium-successfully-funds-usb-bitcoin-wallet-device-entropy-with-indiegogo/

03:43:17 assbot: Mycelium Successfully Funds USB Bitcoin Wallet Device, Entropy, With Indiegogo - CryptoCoinsNews

03:43:17 asciilifeform: inferior to hardware

03:43:27 asciilifeform: !s mycelium

03:43:28 assbot: 46 results for 'mycelium' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mycelium

03:43:45 devthedev: Ugh, CCN

03:43:45 PinkPosixPXE: When the Mycelium Entropy is inserted into the USB drive, hardware-based entropy is harnessed to create a large, truly random, number. The random number is generated using a static RAM chip, which Holcomb, D.E.; Burleson, W.P.; and Fu. K. have proven is capable of generating “128-bit true random numbers.” This number is then used as the seed to generate a private key and corresponding Bitcoin

03:43:52 PinkPosixPXE: address

03:43:53 cazalla: anyone else getting "You don't have permission to access /index.php on this server." on qntra.net?

03:44:08 asciilifeform: ('inferior' is perhaps poor choice of word here. for cryptographic purposes. for, say, homework, where the run must be replicable - one must use prng.)

03:44:14 devthedev: No cazalla

03:44:17 asciilifeform: !s sram rng

03:44:17 assbot: 3 results for 'sram rng' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sram+rng

03:44:25 asciilifeform: nothing new under the sky.

03:44:51 PinkPosixPXE: asciilifeform: For serious security, perhaps yes, but everything runs on hardware, it's just the software layer that interacts with how entropy is derived from teh hardware wether it's something you plug in or something you run on a server

03:45:00 PinkPosixPXE: but depends on your end goal/objective

03:45:09 asciilifeform: that'd be 'it works better if you plug it in.'

03:45:51 asciilifeform: that is, if you process the output of noise apparatus as prescribed, you get the expected result; if you forget to, and call 'return(3)' as in the comic - not.

03:46:02 asciilifeform: http://xkcd.com/221

03:46:03 assbot: xkcd: Random Number

03:46:29 asciilifeform: what shall we teach next? arithmetic?

03:49:30 mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo anyway, we're on to actual ddos, no more of that wordpress mickey mouse bs

03:49:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why are you convinced that it was a 'wordpress'-based ddos ?

03:49:34 mircea_popescu: somebody's butthurt.

03:49:59 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Wordpress was their last weapon.

03:50:07 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh, they really care nao?

03:50:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the first ~2mn lines all carry the tell tale GET / HTTP/1.0" 508 7287 "-" "WordPress/4.0; http://autobg.eu; verifying pingback from headers.

03:51:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well, shitty botnet really, under 5k ips.

03:51:47 BingoBoingo: Does rifle make sense as company expense at 500k IP botnet?

03:52:42 asciilifeform: lol pingback crud

03:52:56 mircea_popescu: people with 500k dont derpthis bad

03:54:15 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because at 500k zombies, rifle is expected

03:56:59 BingoBoingo: !Up PinkPosixPXE

03:58:26 BingoBoingo: Dreamhost party line http://dpaste.com/0295SB7

03:58:27 assbot: dpaste: 0295SB7

03:58:59 kakobrekla: Jay Z?

03:59:18 kakobrekla: the keys are right next to each other

03:59:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3091 @ 0.00073858 = 2.283 BTC [+]

04:01:30 mike_c: how are you mitigating the attack? big ip ban lists?

04:02:12 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Mitigating with heft of ballsack atm

04:02:26 mike_c: that works too

04:02:33 mircea_popescu: mike_c 90% of the attack was mitigated simply by using a html file for root, instead of the php. guy did like 3 blasts before figuring it out. then it did a blast in which instead of / he called /index.php?[randnumber]

04:02:48 mircea_popescu: that resulted in a ban for any node calling the fucking obviously nonstandard url

04:02:54 mike_c: got it

04:03:03 mircea_popescu: at which point he moved to actual ddos as opposed to wordpress reflect crud, which is being mediated in the normal manner.

04:08:36 BingoBoingo: !up need

04:08:40 BingoBoingo: !up Diablo-D3

04:12:39 BingoBoingo: !up Needhelp

04:12:46 BingoBoingo: Needhelp: Whachu need?

04:13:13 Needhelp: Thanks, are there any admins for bitbet here?

04:13:48 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla and mircea_popescu

04:15:09 kakobrekla: well speak son

04:15:13 Needhelp: Potential problem in the site with a finished bet. I think someone is trying to claim my bet is invalid in comments, but I think it is.

04:15:37 BingoBoingo: Needhelp: Which bet?

04:15:49 Needhelp: Was hoping someone could take a look and see if I'm an idiot and missing something, or if I'm right.

04:15:52 BingoBoingo: Also where is pankkake when you need a troll

04:16:11 Needhelp: Bet 1052

04:16:24 Needhelp: About CME oil futures.

04:17:34 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

04:17:36 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 400.14, Best ask: 401.4, Bid-ask spread: 1.26000, Last trade: 401.4, 24 hour volume: 25775.54639046, 24 hour low: 394.46, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 405.207115291

04:17:36 Needhelp: If you read the comments, you should get both sides of the story. My bet is the last one in, someone is claiming it was after bet was determined, but the time stamps should show it was 38 minutes before the deciding trade.

04:17:49 BingoBoingo: Only 0.75 BTC http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/70948

04:17:51 assbot: Savage Axis Bolt Action Rifle .30-06 Springfield 22" Barrel 4 Rounds Matte Black Synthetic Stock Matte Black Barrel

04:23:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nothing about btc on vendor's site... ?

04:24:18 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For some tools, the only vendors don't care where money is headed because they have inventory

04:26:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where i live there are gigantic markets where such hardware is bought and sold with cash

04:26:33 BingoBoingo: Same around here

04:26:38 asciilifeform: though for certain arbitrary legal criteria (barrel too long, too short, too thick, something or other, IANAL) you have to fill out a form of some sort

04:26:56 BingoBoingo: Well for price comparison though you need internet vendor

04:27:01 BingoBoingo: !up Lycerion

04:31:04 BingoBoingo: !up NormDePloome

04:33:51 BingoBoingo: !up go1

04:34:09 BingoBoingo: !up go1111111

04:37:09 asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/B9Wf0L2.jpg << mikroskope and lens both here at last. seen with common household objects for size reference.

04:37:27 asciilifeform: (i've misplaced the 3 of clubs in a moving crate somewhere, i think)

04:44:53 BingoBoingo: So qntra suspended again

04:49:25 cazalla: good a time as any for a few beers i guess

04:49:36 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, doesn't look like it, I got a 403 now

04:51:22 cazalla: it did say suspended before, 403 now

04:53:48 mircea_popescu: cazalla nao ?

04:54:21 BingoBoingo: !up decimation

04:54:43 cazalla: its back

04:55:03 decimation: asciilifeform: nearlyfreespeech.net?

04:55:06 decimation: seems legit.

05:01:28 decimation: asciilifeform: https://www.manncorp.com/smt-place-2000-manual-pick-and-place.html << sorta like what you are building I guess "The built-in time/pressure dispenser handles both solder paste and adhesives, with a syringe vacuum control feature that can be adjusted to prevent low-viscosity liquids from dripping out of the syringe." << sounds dubious

05:01:30 assbot: Manual Pick and Place Machine: Manual SMT Placement Equipment: Low Cost Pick and Place

05:02:12 cazalla: front page works, posts won't though mircea_popescu

05:02:20 decimation: lol it is listed on amazon for $4895

05:03:10 mircea_popescu: cazalla you know how it is, give it a minute try again

05:03:59 cazalla: it has to be andreas, he's had enough

05:04:58 BingoBoingo: Andreas would be a match for the timing

05:05:55 mircea_popescu: it's just about derpy enough to be any random redditard.

05:06:29 BingoBoingo: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/7-GEA22301 << Has rail like Derpshikov

05:06:30 assbot: Excel Arms MP-22 Semi Auto Handgun .22 Magnum 8.5" Barrel 9 Rounds Stainless Steel Black Adjustable Sights EA22301

05:10:56 decimation: what kind of rail should I buy for my ak?

05:11:23 mircea_popescu: crazy shit stick on all sides!

05:11:35 mircea_popescu: ;;isdown qntra.net

05:11:36 gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.

05:11:40 mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown qntra.net

05:11:41 gribble: qntra.net is up

05:11:45 mircea_popescu: mkay then.

05:13:01 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2014/10/lawsky-stays-lulzy/

05:13:02 assbot: Lawsky Stays Lulzy

05:18:38 mircea_popescu: !up mpmcsweeney

05:18:44 mpmcsweeney: thank you :)

05:19:58 *: Adlai finally implements kraken's rate limit algorithm

05:20:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12959 @ 0.00073887 = 9.575 BTC [+]

05:20:55 BingoBoingo: !up smidge

05:21:15 mpmcsweeney: you folks are the qntra team no?

05:21:29 BingoBoingo: Yes

05:21:35 mpmcsweeney: good stuff I read every day

05:21:38 Adlai: we folks are a strict superset of the qntra team

05:22:06 mpmcsweeney: crypto is the best story in technology yet

05:22:26 BingoBoingo: Adlai: You can submit a piece

05:22:41 *: Adlai is still thinking of ideas for that

05:23:02 BingoBoingo: Adlai: A wordpress alternative that runs in Emacs?

05:23:16 Adlai: eh?

05:24:16 *: Adlai would want to contribute an original article, not just paraphrase/edit shitty pieces from other sites

05:24:25 Adlai: not that i'm saying anybody has done that

05:24:32 cazalla: shots fired Adlai

05:24:34 Adlai: but i'm currently unable to produce "news" other than that

05:24:36 mpmcsweeney: hey man thats part of the process

05:24:36 BingoBoingo: Well take your time

05:24:41 mpmcsweeney: information is a great river

05:24:42 cazalla: i watched parts of that lawsky video

05:24:53 *: Adlai didn't, although he may go to an upcoming conference

05:25:00 mpmcsweeney: shit I wish we had 10 more crypto sites

05:25:13 mpmcsweeney: Bitell is very good for China stuff

05:25:37 Adlai: is market analysis welcome on qntra?

05:25:52 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Sure

05:26:02 *: Adlai keeps that in mind

05:26:22 Adlai: at some point i want to make indicators based on the philosophy that my bot uses, since none of the existing ones exactly mirror this

05:27:00 Adlai: this process could make for some interesting posts as it happens "live", although i'm busy on other aspects atm

05:27:09 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

05:27:11 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 398.42, Best ask: 399.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.58000, Last trade: 398.8, 24 hour volume: 24837.71430735, 24 hour low: 394.46, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 405.142065291

05:27:23 BingoBoingo: No report on breaking $400 today

05:27:25 Apocalyptic: so about this Mintpal critical bug, there was a guy in -otc some days ago claiming he found a bug

05:27:34 Apocalyptic: and was looking for a programmer to help him

05:27:35 Apocalyptic: http://0bin.net/paste/i-WgE7TzyDplh9RG#WPB1lsCdBufaA0eFsoQjiXqQ2aXKNcpfSmnVa57pCC5

05:27:36 assbot: 0bin - encrypted pastebin

05:28:49 cazalla: Monthly Bandwidth Transfer 21.68 GB / 48.83 GB, first day on new host, "we're gonna need a bigger boat"

05:29:59 cazalla: mebe we can run a kickstarter BingoBoingo, what do you think

05:30:26 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Not unless one of us gets Obola

05:31:00 mpmcsweeney: just no sponsored content please

05:31:26 mpmcsweeney: some asshole was on Bloomberg TV talking about native advertising, its a real shame what has become of the written word

05:35:07 BingoBoingo: !up NormDePloome

05:35:44 Adlai: how about monthly ppv token auctions through colored coins?

05:35:59 Adlai: (or some other asset issuance thingy if you don't like colored coins)

05:37:04 BingoBoingo: Seems like interesting DOS mitigation tool http://www.amazon.com/Stiletto-TICLW12-ClawBar-Titanium-Puller/dp/B0000T4VAG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1413351393&sr=8-2&keywords=titanium+crowbar

05:37:05 assbot: Stiletto TICLW12 ClawBar Titanium Nail Puller - Stilletto Nail Puller - Amazon.com

05:37:05 Adlai: the advantage of using colored coins is that it should be fairly straightforward to adapt fraudsters's readership credit code to deal with them

05:39:37 cazalla: Adlai, why not just bitcoin instead?

05:40:15 Adlai: less risky for the blog administrators

05:40:43 Adlai: you can calculate exactly how much you need to raise to cover costs, and price readership tokens accordingly

05:41:13 Adlai: rather than hoping that revenue exceeds expenses

05:41:40 asciilifeform: decimation: manual pick&place << not the least bit like what i'm doing. that's just a frame where you move the carriage with hands. can't move to coordinates of known points.

05:41:48 Adlai: another way of looking at it: you auction off tokens to guage readership interest, then reserve hosting capacities accordingly

05:42:03 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Manul pick and place... once the immune system is worked out

05:42:36 Adlai: cazalla: tl;dr: a decentralized readership token offloads some risk from the administrators to the asset bagholders

05:42:42 asciilifeform: decimation: my apparatus is only manual in the sense that i lack the time/equipment to produce autofeeders, so the lifter must be guided over pre-popped tape manually.

05:43:29 BingoBoingo: hirsute cats... the future

05:43:50 mpmcsweeney: so full disclosure: I work for CoinDesk :)

05:44:02 Apocalyptic: heh

05:44:03 mpmcsweeney: happy to exit if y'all wish, but this seem slike a cool crypto forum and Id like to hang if possible

05:44:19 BingoBoingo: mpmcsweeney: It's ok I don't work

05:44:25 asciilifeform: and time/pressure dispensers drool (literally.) and suckback hose does not help - if set to a backpressure that actually has any effect, the contents of the syringe end up slowly sliding up, and eventually into the vacuum pump. schlurp.

05:44:46 Adlai: mpmcsweeney: anything you care to say publicly (this channel is logged) about their sponsored content practices?

05:45:01 mpmcsweeney: no sponsored content at CoinDesk

05:45:34 Adlai: didn't that one twit/redditor get an email back agreeing to publish a sponsored feature?

05:45:34 mpmcsweeney: my name is Stan Higgins - Im heavily involvd in our newsroom and I can safely say we accept no payment of any kind from companies

05:45:42 mpmcsweeney: likely a scam

05:45:46 *: asciilifeform to bed.

05:45:54 mpmcsweeney: our only revenue generator currently are the recent ads we kicked off

05:45:58 mpmcsweeney: *generators

05:46:17 BingoBoingo: mpmcsweeney: You can hang here, just be aware that... Coindesk kind of does the sponsored content thing... The just do the plausible deniability thing too...

05:46:26 mpmcsweeney: howso?

05:46:43 BingoBoingo: It's been documented and I got drunk.

05:46:48 BingoBoingo: !s coindesk

05:46:49 assbot: 182 results for 'coindesk' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=coindesk

05:46:56 BingoBoingo: Somewhere up there

05:47:02 BingoBoingo: Is the answer

05:47:02 mpmcsweeney: hrm whenabouts was that? admittedly I have only been working here for 6 months

05:47:30 BingoBoingo: Well more concerning than sponsored content are the funder's other investments

05:47:31 mpmcsweeney: but to my knowledge (I used to be in the marketing content biz and I have asked) we've never gone down that road

05:47:40 BingoBoingo: ;;google crunchbase coindesk

05:47:41 gribble: CoinDesk | CrunchBase: http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/coindesk; Shakil Khan - Founder @ CoinDesk | CrunchBase: http://www.crunchbase.com/person/shakil-khan; The CoinDesk Bitcoin Price Index | CrunchBase: http://www.crunchbase.com/product/the-coindesk-bitcoin-price-index

05:48:03 cazalla: robocoin runs windows xp as per https://docs.google.com/a/metalabdesign.com/document/d/1aL_b_Eq6WKv_u_ZKiPNPBXz5UbuMhi2Xm1AjdsgVER4/pub

05:48:03 assbot: The Great Robocoin Rip-off

05:48:32 mpmcsweeney: haha I mean outside of BitPay I dont know too much about Khan's investments

05:48:43 BingoBoingo: mpmcsweeney: There's just things people who came here before coindesk was worry about

05:49:32 BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney

05:49:34 mpmcsweeney: danke

05:50:25 mpmcsweeney: I guess my point is that there's honestly no influence to our reporting, at least as far as I as a reporter and editor can tell -- and Im intimately involved in the process

05:50:43 mpmcsweeney: and never once has any pressure about anthing come down from my superiors

05:50:48 mpmcsweeney: *anything

05:51:46 cazalla: i know nothing

05:52:33 mpmcsweeney: I dunno, I do this for story telling, its a good industry

05:52:51 mpmcsweeney: and its good to meet others who share that enthusiasm :D

05:52:52 cazalla: how much do coindesk pay for articles mpmcschultz

05:53:29 mpmcsweeney: when I was a freelancer it was more or less $10 every 100 words

05:53:40 mpmcsweeney: nowadays I make a monthly salary

05:56:44 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I think your solution is definitely better than the $5k machine I linked. I doubt anyone makes something like it, and if they did it wouldn't be cheap

05:56:52 Adlai: coinbase don't pay in shares? :P

05:58:04 mpmcsweeney: coinbase pays in phylacteries

05:59:38 mpmcsweeney: night all - good talking to u

05:59:40 Apocalyptic: thickasthieves, I guess you can remove "- Vote for ATC to be listed at MintPal.com!" from therealaltcoin.org

06:01:32 cazalla: and qntra is suspended again

06:37:31 Adlai: holy shit, intersection right outside my door is flooded up to the windshields of private cars

06:37:45 Adlai: guess who isn't going to work today?

06:40:06 thickasthieves: <+Apocalyptic> thickasthieves, I guess you can remove "- Vote for ATC to be listed at MintPal.com!" from therealaltcoin.org /// done. removed the hitbtc one too

06:41:05 thickasthieves: mpmcsweeney link to your articles?

06:41:57 thickasthieves: http://www.coindesk.com/author/stan-higgins/

06:41:57 assbot: Stan Higgins - Reporter, CoinDesk

06:44:21 thickasthieves: such clipart

06:45:45 thickasthieves: that's a lotta articles

06:54:03 mircea_popescu: <cazalla> Monthly Bandwidth Transfer 21.68 GB / 48.83 GB, first day on new host, "we're gonna need a bigger boat" << that was at some point the counter ran

06:54:08 mircea_popescu: it's more like 40ish gb really

06:54:37 mircea_popescu: <Adlai> the advantage of using colored coins is that it should be fairly straightforward to adapt fraudsters's readership credit code to deal with them << http://fraudsters.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/

06:54:38 assbot: Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

06:55:42 thickasthieves: i like stuff coinprism is doing, in style mostly, but, like always, no one actually gives a shit about colored coins

06:56:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25317 @ 0.00073411 = 18.5855 BTC [-] {4}

06:57:07 thickasthieves: i assume ya'llready know qntra.net is down

06:57:29 mircea_popescu: yeah it's taking a short break

06:58:17 mircea_popescu: mpmcsweeney: my name is Stan Higgins - Im heavily involvd in our newsroom and I can safely say we accept no payment of any kind from companies << that's bs, you know it, i know it, why even bother with it ?

06:58:20 *: Adlai is a recently liberated corporate slaveboi! =_=

06:58:57 mircea_popescu: nobody particularly cares if you stay or go, but people wil get pretty aggravated by this sort of pr/party line approach. the reason this is a cool forum is exactly not allowing that sorta crap.

06:59:08 mircea_popescu: Adlai o yeah ? where'd you work ?

07:00:12 Adlai: mircea_popescu: your article mainly addresses problems with decentralized security systems as a replacement for high-frequency exchanges. i think it's still possible to issue tokens such as readership credits (or movie tickets, etc) in this fashion, since their market is a lot less dependant upon dedicated market makers

07:00:22 Adlai: (the companies issuing and accepting the tokens are forced to act as market makers)

07:00:40 mircea_popescu: so it's not dependent on them then.

07:00:44 mircea_popescu: what is this reddit logic.

07:02:02 *: Adlai worked analytics at http://playscape.com and "research" at http://autodeskrnd.co.il

07:02:07 assbot: PlayScape | A New Kind of Publisher

07:02:07 assbot: Autodesk Israel R&D Center

07:02:50 mircea_popescu: too lazy to dig, but how diod they end ? acquihire ? simple burnout ?

07:03:34 Adlai: playscape has been burning VC money for years and downsized 33%, autodesk terminated my employment due to "being unable to accomodate working from home or at odd hours"

07:03:48 mircea_popescu: o.O

07:04:03 *: Adlai refuses to work even-numbered hours

07:04:07 mircea_popescu: lol

07:04:52 mircea_popescu: so research what, derping on google analytics and whatever other clickbezzlor node.js websites ?

07:06:28 Adlai: custom stack handrolled from google bigquery and excel glued together with mutant python scripst

07:06:42 mircea_popescu: but basically, counting fake clicks all day ?

07:07:10 Adlai: impressions, purchases, which players downloaded which additional games after finishing which levels, etc

07:07:33 Adlai: i dealt mostly with making data accessible for my boss, so he could perform the actual analysis

07:09:48 Adlai: don't have too much interesting to say about it, i'd rather discuss decentralized assets

07:10:24 Adlai: i'm far from convinced they're good for anything, but the only way to really know is by watching them break under stress/attacks

07:14:31 Adlai: you could also auction qntra credits through a centralized system, that aspect of my suggestion isn't dependent upon decentralized issuance

07:17:35 thickasthieves: just use bitcoin

07:17:38 thickasthieves: ta-da!

07:17:55 thickasthieves: (or Altcoin)

07:18:05 mircea_popescu: Adlai you know this is like... done already. right ?

07:18:37 Adlai: not really, i'm only familiar with qntra et al for what, three days?

07:19:10 Adlai: so if i mention stuff that's already done, please just point it out

07:19:31 mircea_popescu: wasn't i reading a bevy of suggestions from you above tho ?

07:19:56 Adlai: you probably were. i can shut up if that's what you're asking me to do.

07:20:24 mircea_popescu: i'm not. i'm instead kloinking you over the head for the add-water-and-stir suggestion dust you got.

07:20:36 mircea_popescu: are they supposed to work just like that, in principle, don't even need to know what you're suggesting about or anything ?

07:21:11 Adlai: are what supposed to work just like how?

07:21:38 mircea_popescu: let's build a simulacra.

07:22:17 mircea_popescu: guy in the hospital. adlai talks to doctor : this dude should get casts. casts are cool. doctor to adlai : did you see his xrays ? adlai umm... no. but casts are cool.

07:22:21 mircea_popescu: see the problem with the approach ?

07:23:06 *: Adlai would probably not get invited into the operating theatre just for walking around outside the hospital with an anatomy coloring book

07:23:09 mircea_popescu: a discussion of casts is entirely spurious. the problem's the approach.

07:27:55 Adlai: +mircea_popescu | so research what, << oh, if you were asking what i did at autodesk, it was much more interesting

07:28:24 Adlai: i worked on connecting http://dynamobim.org/ to the backend powering http://shapeshifter.io/

07:28:26 assbot: Dynamo BIM

07:28:27 assbot: Project Shapeshifter

07:29:10 mircea_popescu: all the shit i never heard of o.O

07:29:49 Adlai: essentially, got paid to learn C++ and C#. not things i'd like to use in new projects, but still good tools to have

07:30:00 mircea_popescu: Adlai this isn't the amazon thing is it ?

07:31:46 mircea_popescu: you're not old enough to be talking of that "limits to growth" retardation

07:32:53 Adlai: no, dynamo is a scripting engine for vasari/revit (BIM tools aka CAD for architects/engineers), shapeshifter is a generative modeling library for making things like [photo incoming...]

07:33:00 Adlai: what "limits to growth" retardation?

07:33:35 Adlai: will gribble kick me for an imgur link here?

07:33:41 mircea_popescu: there was this first pass of algoreism, "golf club" patternism and all the rest of the retardation

07:33:57 mircea_popescu: it was written in either algol or cobol i forget, and was supposed to be a big deal for rich hippies in the 70s

07:34:01 mircea_popescu: no.

07:34:49 Adlai: "when all you've got is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail" type thinking?

07:35:52 mircea_popescu: ;;google rome club limits to growth dynamo

07:35:53 gribble: The Limits to Growth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth; DYNAMO (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DYNAMO_(programming_language); World3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World3

07:36:04 Adlai: no relation to that.

07:36:50 mircea_popescu: !s autodesk

07:36:50 assbot: 4 results for 'autodesk' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=autodesk

07:40:08 Vexual: excuse the interjection, but for the love of god>>> xinxi: cazalla university of melbourne and ANU, which one is better?>>> ANU

07:42:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00073386 = 3.9995 BTC [-]

07:46:44 Adlai: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8xpZtGFKOvvdHpNdjVWN1JUZWM https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8xpZtGFKOvvZTlhazRvcV82ejA https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8xpZtGFKOvvcmdRUE9vbWtyejQ

07:46:44 assbot: IMG_20140715_125217.jpg - Google Drive

07:46:45 assbot: IMG_20140727_130602.jpg - Google Drive

07:46:45 assbot: IMG_20140727_162158.jpg - Google Drive

07:48:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00073377 = 13.1712 BTC [-] {2}

07:51:25 Vexual: autodesk must have some interesting proprietry libraries

07:54:57 Adlai: there's also interesting stuff in their open source pipeline: http://spark.autodesk.com/

07:54:57 assbot: Spark

07:55:50 Adlai: it's a shame that i couldn't stay there a bit longer, it was a great job and still left me time free to work on scalpl

07:56:18 Vexual: whats that a more refined version of storung your 3d nudes in the cloud?

07:57:57 Adlai: automated extraction of 3d movements from professional porn and cloud-based rendering of your nudes in their place?

07:58:21 Vexual: no im joking about that 123render thing

07:58:27 Vexual: whatever it's called

07:58:34 Vexual: you cure cancer in your spare time?

07:59:27 Adlai: who doesn't?

08:00:30 Adlai: !s scalpl from:adlai

08:00:31 assbot: 2 results for 'scalpl from:adlai' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=scalpl+from%3Aadlai

08:01:05 Vexual: ahhh

08:04:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00073549 = 15.7395 BTC [+] {2}

08:09:04 RagnarDanneskjol: this may already be known - didn't see in teh logs: http://qntra.net/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi

08:09:05 assbot: Account Suspended

08:09:53 punkman: can't even connect to qntra.net here

08:10:04 Vexual: its known

08:10:11 RagnarDanneskjol: k

08:10:18 Vexual: flood monkeys

08:10:27 punkman: dat reddit police

08:10:31 RagnarDanneskjol: hah

08:11:45 Vexual: big first week huh?

08:12:15 RagnarDanneskjol: the price of fame

08:12:31 Vexual: hopefully it's fixed before my morning shit

08:13:55 punkman: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aL_b_Eq6WKv_u_ZKiPNPBXz5UbuMhi2Xm1AjdsgVER4/pub

08:13:55 assbot: The Great Robocoin Rip-off

08:15:02 Vexual: hold up $250 a month?

08:16:47 thickasthieves: i read that, i actually started talks with robocoin last year

08:16:58 thickasthieves: and i didnt like their setup or vibe

08:17:02 thickasthieves: so dropped it

08:18:39 Vexual: they're paying rent with no kiosk? way to business

08:19:08 punkman: noobs don't know about logistics

08:19:21 cazalla: well who would hold a venue for them months on end with no income to show for it Vexual

08:19:23 punkman: "Unfortunately, Robocoin is built on Windows XP and a complete nightmare to configure. First, the ID scanner doesn’t work. Then the webcam keeps going black. Then the palm scanner refuses to work"

08:19:30 punkman: it has a palm scanner?

08:19:50 thickasthieves: anti munny laundering

08:19:58 thickasthieves: dollars gotta remain dirty

08:21:12 Vexual: robocoin waiting on a palm scanner driver for xp

08:23:52 Vexual: you this 80mm cd just has a generic usb driver

08:26:37 bounce: ``In London Fields by Martin Amis, while smelling a wad of used fifties, foil Guy Clinch observes that, "Pecunia non olet was dead wrong. Pecunia olet."'' (wikipedia) -- thus we see the folly of paper money.

08:30:05 punkman: I think for $25k they could have hired a dude to sit there with a laptop.

08:30:41 Vexual: yeah

08:31:24 bounce: sit there themselves and badger the vendors whenever it's quiet.

08:32:21 Vexual: and you know it'll fuck up often enough you'll need mr laptop anyways

08:33:18 thickasthieves: <+punkman> I think for $25k they could have hired a dude to sit there with a laptop. - yknow this is a great point

08:33:28 thickasthieves: just do money exchange desks

08:33:40 thickasthieves: then you can kyc for real

08:35:00 punkman: or you could do it through a gloryhole

08:35:15 Vexual: lol

08:35:42 Vexual: the first one on oz required a laptop dude coz people are retared irc

08:36:33 punkman: "There's a working Robocoin ATM at Hacker Dojo in Mountain View, CA. Nobody uses it. Nor should they. 15% bid/ask spread, 5% fee."

08:36:37 Vexual: but i think real atms had that too

08:37:07 Vexual: those hackerspace coincollecting thermal printing $100 things would be much better in a pub

08:38:45 Vexual: wake up and all your change is privatekeys

08:40:33 punkman: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jakg4/the_great_robocoin_ripoff_how_we_lost_25000/cl9yw80

08:40:34 assbot: Robocoinjordan comments on The Great Robocoin Rip-off: How we lost $25,000 buying a Robocoin ATM

08:41:54 Vexual: at least he owns it

08:44:48 `jurov`: http://qntra.net/2014/10/the-fall-of-moolah-io/ linked from front page gives me 404

08:44:49 assbot: The Fall of Moolah.io | Qntra.net

08:44:59 `jurov`: something still bookt

08:45:02 `jurov`: *borkt

08:45:05 punkman: works here

08:46:10 `jurov`: also, i got dns refresh first and only after third reload the site has shown

08:46:40 `jurov`: i see it works for assbot, too

08:46:52 Vexual: works

08:47:03 `jurov`: i'd check what caching http headers qntra sends

08:47:21 cazalla: it's been under dos attack all day, changed hosts etc etc

08:47:26 cazalla: mp is working on it

08:47:33 Adlai: is there a site up yet for automated testing of immunity to the sslv3 vulnerability?

08:47:37 `jurov`: on second try, moolah article works too

08:49:31 `jurov`: weird. clicked on comment, again 404

08:49:43 `jurov`: and in the bottom "

08:49:45 `jurov`: Proudly powered by LiteSpeed Web Server

08:49:45 punkman: cazalla, maybe a couple edits in moolah article: "CryptoCurrency", "and withdraws are active"

08:49:46 `jurov`: Please be advised that LiteSpeed Technologies Inc. is not a web hosting company and, as such, has no control over content found on this site.

08:49:48 `jurov`: "

08:50:19 *: Adlai finds a few: https://www.expeditedssl.com/poodle and https://www.tinfoilsecurity.com/poodle

08:50:20 assbot: SSL POODLE Scanner

08:50:21 assbot: Free POODLE SSL Security Vulnerability Check | Tinfoil Security

08:51:02 fluffypony: qntra down?

08:51:08 fluffypony: oh DoS

08:51:12 fluffypony: lameballz

08:51:41 fluffypony: cazalla: why not shove CloudFlare up in front of it? for a blog it's a cheap and effective way of making that stuff SEP (Somebody Else's Problem)

08:52:11 wyrdmantis: qntra is up for me

08:52:20 cazalla: punkman, i can't access it at all atm

08:52:22 `jurov`: cloudflare has its probs, too

08:52:46 `jurov`: and fraudsters's hosting is built to withstand, ddos

08:53:07 `jurov`: it prolly got broken moving in haste

08:53:42 cazalla: nah, move went fine but then dos came again

09:03:32 Vexual: !up xinxi

09:03:47 Vexual: xinxi, what is your wife studing?

09:04:33 xinxi: renewable energy

09:04:40 Vexual: oh

09:04:47 xinxi: are you also in au?

09:05:02 Vexual: im not too sure about that, but I'd still recommend ANU

09:05:43 xinxi: I know ANU is good at research.

09:06:08 xinxi: I also want to apply for a research fellow job there.

09:06:55 Vexual: the benefits of the capitol territory are far reaching

09:07:19 Vexual: it's also very peaceful there

09:08:17 xinxi: yah, students can easily concentrate.

09:08:22 Vexual: exactly

09:09:10 xinxi: are you aussie?

09:09:14 Vexual: yes

09:11:05 xinxi: Thanks

09:12:18 Vexual: np, either would be good

09:12:38 Vexual: where are you from?

09:13:20 xinxi: oh, I am from china.

09:13:48 xinxi: mainland china

09:14:18 Vexual: you know if it wer'nt for the nick, I wouldn'y know, you must do business or languages

09:14:54 Vexual: or something cool

09:15:01 xinxi: yah, I am currently working on https://coinut.com

09:15:23 xinxi: i just finished my phd.

09:15:40 Vexual: commerce?

09:15:49 Vexual: whats the theis called?

09:15:52 xinxi: it’s a bitcoin iptions exchange.

09:16:02 Vexual: your phd

09:16:02 xinxi: thesis is about recommendation systems.

09:16:11 Vexual: cs?

09:16:15 xinxi: right

09:16:28 Vexual: neato

09:16:40 xinxi: thanks

09:17:02 Vexual: you were already tending towards ANU I suppose?

09:17:23 xinxi: yeah, I am interested in artificial intelligence.

09:17:32 xinxi: there seems a good group there.

09:17:50 Vexual: have you been to Australia before?

09:18:17 xinxi: i visited AU in this May.

09:18:29 xinxi: it’s a beautiful country with nice people.

09:18:31 Vexual: have you been to canberra?

09:19:25 xinxi: no, i did not have enough time. so i visited Sydney and Melbourne only.

09:19:58 Vexual: it's much quieter, and everywhere you drive is trees, you'd ahrdly know theres a city there

09:20:00 xinxi: it’s quite different from most asian cities.

09:21:01 xinxi: oh, that sounds great. because I think that Sydney and Melbourne are already quite quiet compared with Singapore, Beijing, Shanghai, or even Tokyo.

09:21:40 xinxi: i really like the peacefulness on people’s faces.

09:21:51 Vexual: syd is only 3 hours on one of the best freeways you ever drove

09:22:57 xinxi: yah, the position of canberra is good.

09:23:15 wyrdmantis: qntra down for me now

09:25:46 Vexual: or up and down in a plane 30 mins, but the time at the airport

09:26:10 Vexual: decisions decisions

09:28:07 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQRZXM-4xI

09:36:13 Vexual: !up xinxi

09:36:24 xinxi: the video is good.

09:36:36 Vexual: fuckin funny

09:36:46 xinxi: yah

09:37:24 Vexual: id love to see a chinese version

09:38:14 xinxi: i don’t know whether there is a chinese version. but i guess the 30/70 percent thing in the video is just a joke.

09:38:26 Vexual: tending towards 100

09:38:58 xinxi: really, why didn’t i feel any?

09:39:06 Vexual: no, the joke factor

09:39:53 Vexual: anyway chinese dudes have been here since forever

09:40:49 xinxi: yeah, i saw many.

09:41:09 cazalla: spot the aussie

09:41:32 Vexual: even long ago

09:41:34 xinxi: i know the first bunch went there mainly for gold.

09:41:59 Vexual: they were getting pearls before captain cook

09:43:54 xinxi: oh, the first recorded chinese migrant was in 1818.

09:44:08 xinxi: that’s so long ago.

09:44:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00073344 = 24.2402 BTC [-] {2}

09:44:39 cazalla: tell him he's dreamin' xinxi

09:44:52 Vexual: well.. i might be

09:45:30 xinxi: i will be scared :-)

09:45:39 Vexual: no you won't

09:46:16 cazalla: xinxi, didja get munted while in melb?

09:46:58 Vexual: ;;ud munted

09:46:58 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=munted | munted. To have intoxicated yourself with alcohol and/or chemicals to such point where respectable levels of social and/or physical functioning become ...

09:47:37 xinxi: thanks, i just checked urbandictionary :-)

09:47:49 xinxi: no, my wife was with me.

09:47:55 Vexual: lol

09:47:59 xinxi: although I wanted to enjoy that.

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09:48:43 Vexual: you'll be sweet xinxi, as long as you've got your head screwed on

09:48:58 cazalla: he's got fkn buckleys

09:49:24 Vexual: dude he models brains like yours for breakfast

09:49:37 cazalla: not much to model Vexual

09:50:02 Vexual: i think in melbourne munted means a specipic chemical no?

09:50:22 cazalla: dunno, these cunts down here are fucked

09:50:49 xinxi: i did see the craziness of the bars.

09:51:46 cazalla: that is not what i refer to

09:52:00 Vexual: thats when that how to talk australians is helpful in the back of your mind

09:52:16 Vexual: watch all 8 and belive nothing, it's all jokes

09:52:24 cazalla: this is more what melbourne is now /

09:52:31 cazalla: https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1393/41/1393413227916.png

09:52:31 assbot: Human verification - 4plebs archive

09:53:43 xinxi: watch all 8?

09:54:00 Vexual: there are 8 episodes, it's a comedy

09:54:40 cazalla: i lived with 2 indian cunts when i first came here, they were more australian than some unaustralian cunts who were born here

09:54:42 Vexual: if you laugh once, you get australia

09:55:04 Vexual: i feel ya cazalla

09:55:45 Vexual: have you seen this show cazalla?

09:56:03 cazalla: yeah ages ago

09:56:07 cazalla: one of the dudes use to make the best hainanese chicken

09:56:21 Vexual: it's only a few months old

09:56:32 cazalla: nah, i've seen something like this years ago

09:56:50 Vexual: thats ages when you started a newspaper yesterday i guess

09:56:53 cazalla: indians been pretending to be australians for donkeys years

09:57:36 *: Adlai wishes he could monetize dog poop, his puppy marks his territory with the wrong type excrement

09:57:41 Vexual: just like me

09:58:00 Vexual: hmm

09:58:41 cazalla: Vexual, pretty sure full frontal or fast forward did something similar years back

09:58:42 Vexual: stress levels up cazalla? drinkin?

09:58:54 Vexual: it's better now

09:58:56 cazalla: yeah i'm drinking

09:59:06 cazalla: i quit but today is an exception

09:59:28 Vexual: you know, when i hear "monetize dog poo" i feeel challenged

09:59:55 cazalla: i only drink every other day now

10:00:26 Vexual: i know who to call

10:01:24 Adlai: Vexual: doooooit

10:01:29 Vexual: lol

10:01:38 Adlai: poop was not meant to be bagged and burned, it's supposed to return to nature. srsly.

10:01:47 cazalla: call who, i'm not listed anywhere

10:02:00 *: Adlai would train the pup to poop under bushes and such, but they're too far away from his flat

10:04:35 Vexual: marketing fail

10:06:33 Adlai: my street this morning: http://i.imgur.com/Lkm3nir.jpg

10:06:51 cazalla: fuck where do you live

10:06:56 Vexual: looks like sydney

10:07:09 Adlai: tel aviv

10:07:20 Adlai: about as expensive, relative to median wage

10:08:11 Adlai: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Israel&country2=Australia&city1=Tel+Aviv-yafo&city2=Sydney

10:08:11 assbot: Cost of Living Comparison Between Tel Aviv-yafo, Israel And Sydney, Australia

10:09:41 cazalla: fuck that, who wants to be surrounded by muslims

10:09:55 *: Adlai isn't surrounded, they're only to the south and they make amazing humus

10:09:55 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

10:10:49 Vexual: the sydney telaviv similarities continue

10:11:02 Vexual: hoi

10:13:31 cazalla: i don't mind some lebanese chicken but still

10:13:44 *: Adlai may relocate soon, destination tbd. suggestions welcome.

10:14:04 fluffypony: South Africa

10:15:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5538 @ 0.00073702 = 4.0816 BTC [+] {2}

10:16:14 Vexual: what do you do in south africa, barbeque and network?

10:16:32 Vexual: you guise iz all business huh?

10:16:38 cazalla: come to australia Adlai

10:17:10 Adlai: i have an irl friend in australia, went for work, stayed for a lady

10:17:27 cazalla: yeah, plenty of slags here

10:18:03 *: Adlai may visit someday, if business brings him anywhere nearby, or better yet - yields purchasing power for such a vacation

10:19:09 Vexual: it's a serious question fluffypony, how does shit work over there?

10:20:28 fluffypony: Vexual: people in Johannesburg work

10:20:34 fluffypony: Cape Town and Durban is more chilled

10:21:32 Adlai: oh durban. another friend got deported from there... this appears to be the national pastime for my age group

10:21:38 fluffypony: lol

10:21:46 Adlai: selling shit nobody needs in malls and airports

10:22:31 Vexual: you get a medal for that here

10:22:57 cazalla: Vexual, and rightfully so, use the navy to sink the boat

10:23:01 cazalla: boats even

10:23:23 Vexual: yeah th erents higher than stoolspace for a robocoin tho

10:24:07 Vexual: you called australia a welfare state

10:24:26 Vexual: it's just a police state where the have-nots check in every week

10:24:32 cazalla: it is a welfare state

10:26:27 Adlai: welfare needs some amount of policing or it gets too easily scammed

10:26:59 cazalla: when my grand parents arrived here in the 50s, ya rocked up at BHP for a job, these days, ya rock up at centrelink for a handout

10:27:01 Vexual: for $150 bucks a week, petty criminals are off the streets

10:27:41 cazalla: and there is an interpreter to boot in case ya cbf to learn english

10:28:25 Vexual: yeah, and if you can find a job long enough you get to work there so that anyone competant doesnt wanna go near the place

10:28:32 Vexual: *can't

10:29:51 Vexual: police state

10:30:15 cazalla: i can handle police state more than welfare although both piss me off

10:30:49 Vexual: yeah but either way you can't do shit

10:32:14 cazalla: look, i just want cunts to keep their hand out of my pocket, they can stick their police and roads and ambulances (which don't come anyway, personal experience) and society security and super etc etc up their ass

10:34:21 Vexual: have you ever seen the star force roll out? makes a swat tem look like they got their xanax dose wrong by x

10:37:33 cazalla: nah what's star force, starfox?

10:37:42 Vexual: yeah

10:41:04 Vexual: ;;lasers

10:41:04 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

10:41:56 cazalla: shots fired

10:44:22 Vexual: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/no-more-guns-after-asis-hotel-bungle-20121231-2c2i7.html when asis became news

10:47:08 Vexual: they all train at the same facility with sas and top cops

10:47:47 cazalla: In 2004 the Howard government re-armed ASIS. <<< they can have guns but we can't, fkn cunts

10:50:45 cazalla: nayway ttyl Vexual, zzz, bit of water before bed eh, feel better tmw

10:51:17 Vexual: moar work

10:52:33 danielpbarron: The CDC was so desperate for cash it set up a system for the donation of bitcoins, dogecoins, anoncoins, and many other alternatives to bitcoin. http://chronicle.su/2014/10/ebola-goes-viral/

10:52:36 assbot: Ebola Goes Viral « The Internet Chronicle

10:53:54 Vexual: you wot?

10:54:50 Vexual: is that a joke? solar powered 3d printers?

10:55:08 danielpbarron: pretty sure it's a joke

10:55:18 Vexual: hammers might go alright tho

10:55:34 danielpbarron: but it reads like the way libertarians expect the world to work

10:55:45 Vexual: how do you mean?

10:56:13 danielpbarron: 3d print everything, fund it with endless altcoins

10:57:38 Vexual: what the fuck even is a libretarian?

10:57:55 danielpbarron: depends who you ask

10:58:02 Vexual: im asking you

10:58:50 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.whiteoliphaunt.com/duckofminerva/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tumblr_mabxezBZhb1r0jcrzo1_500.jpg

10:58:51 danielpbarron: a bunch of angsty 20-somethings that think they know how the world should work

10:59:09 dub: gave you seen the movie deliverance?

10:59:20 dub: have*

10:59:31 danielpbarron: me? no.

10:59:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8033 @ 0.00073727 = 5.9225 BTC [+] {2}

11:00:15 dub: its a movie about libertarians

11:00:26 danielpbarron: lol

11:00:28 Vexual: yes

11:00:34 Vexual: i like the banjo music

11:00:47 Vexual: and the fear

11:01:25 Vexual: which ones are the libretarians?

11:02:01 dub: they gone see how good you pray

11:02:18 Vexual: oh

11:02:30 dub: you look might fine in dem blue jeans boa

11:02:43 Vexual: wait so who is it?

11:02:51 Vexual: the hillbillies?

11:03:47 Vexual: or the canoists?

11:04:06 nubbins`: https://docs.google.com/a/metalabdesign.com/document/d/1aL_b_Eq6WKv_u_ZKiPNPBXz5UbuMhi2Xm1AjdsgVER4/pub

11:04:06 assbot: The Great Robocoin Rip-off

11:04:24 Vexual: lol nubins can you explain america to me?

11:04:31 nubbins`: Vexual i'm afraid i can't

11:04:56 Vexual: i guess ill just light this hugemungous bifter then

11:05:00 nubbins`: you don't have libertarians in oz?

11:05:15 dub: have you seen the movie wolf creek?

11:05:15 Vexual: ive never really used the term

11:05:19 Vexual: yes

11:06:34 Vexual: whick ones the liberachi?

11:07:00 nubbins`: tight pants

11:07:51 Vexual: what?

11:07:56 fluffypony: this Moolah thing is beyond funny

11:08:16 Vexual: theyve all got tight pants, this makes less sense than chess

11:09:55 nubbins`: fluffypony: "moolah.io" sounds fairly similar to the korean "molla-yo", which means "i don't know"

11:10:24 fluffypony: lol

11:10:53 Vexual: can you do it with spongebob and ariel

11:14:19 punkman: 5JcFbz4UahixwJfEMLU2Mj4T3wuGEr2vV48TbYuaySfcf5bqtQG 5J9SnEwZb9JiZv6HJCp299tXC4ZDGuo6N16pRANrtkqzGvvVq3J

11:14:34 punkman: free money

11:14:46 Vexual: punkman, can you explain libretarian to me?

11:14:58 Vexual: oh

11:15:59 RagnarDanneskjol: what coin is that? - free money

11:16:17 Vexual: a redundant one

11:16:25 fluffypony: punkman: such 0.0001

11:16:27 punkman: couple of bundles cause I nuked the db

11:17:23 punkman: but hey it worked for a sec

11:22:00 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etMpCz8eql8

11:22:22 punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: those are called WIF keys

11:22:52 RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea - I seen dem b4. cool

11:28:29 punkman: ;;tslb

11:28:34 gribble: Time since last block: 16 minutes and 24 seconds

11:46:11 Vexual: ill bet bingoboingo can define it. succinct

11:46:48 nubbins`: libertarian?

11:46:52 Vexual: yes

11:46:54 nubbins`: "you don't get to tell me what to do!"

11:47:04 Vexual: oh, am i one?

11:47:17 nubbins`: beats me, do you say that ^ often?

11:47:25 Vexual: effectually

11:47:39 nubbins`: then sure

11:48:10 Vexual: i dn't like labels eithe, is that a thing?

11:49:17 ben_vulpes: <xinxi> hey, I need a market maker for my site. << jurov, thickasthieves, although marketmaking options is playing with hot hot fire

11:49:41 nubbins`: i think that's just called being normal

11:49:48 Vexual: phew

11:50:52 nubbins`: http://djrankings.org/tpls/dj/images/djs/BEN_VULPES.jpg

11:51:25 ben_vulpes: ah that's rich

11:51:57 ben_vulpes: i should change my name to gben vulpes

11:52:13 ben_vulpes: or qnben for max SEO bombs

11:52:38 nubbins`: nice

11:53:11 nubbins`: some names are more common than others

11:53:24 nubbins`: actually many mircea popescus, but i suppose that's not too surprising

11:53:25 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69CCsfaZlA

11:53:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00073637 = 5.6332 BTC [-]

11:53:38 nubbins`: http://beautifuldecay.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mircea-Popescu-illustration1.jpg

11:55:12 ben_vulpes: the more i think about it, the less visible i want to be

11:55:21 ben_vulpes: once upon a time i wanted to leave a hole upon disappearing

11:55:24 punkman: ;;bc,stats

11:55:26 gribble: Current Blocks: 325428 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 1163 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 19 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36114579164.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.1772

11:55:27 Vexual: roll smaller joints

11:55:57 ben_vulpes: lol Vexual you're asking for a divide by zero

11:56:11 Vexual: bwahaha thats my bro right there

11:56:39 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> hickasthieves << lol there's your new mobile handle, thickasthieves

11:56:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15643 @ 0.00073379 = 11.4787 BTC [-]

11:58:43 nubbins`: heh

11:58:46 nubbins`: hooo-eee!

11:58:54 ben_vulpes: jurov, mircea_popescu, bounce: the state-machine generator Ragel's p. useful for reason-about-able parsing

11:59:01 nubbins`: ben_vulpes you're already more visible than most 8)

11:59:12 *: nubbins` waves to alphabet employees

11:59:46 ben_vulpes: https://github.com/bvanderveen/httpmachine/blob/master/src/HttpMachine/rl/http.rl

11:59:46 assbot: httpmachine/http.rl at master bvanderveen/httpmachine GitHub

11:59:50 *: ben_vulpes waves too

12:00:15 ben_vulpes: nubbins`: i'm expecting audits.

12:00:19 ben_vulpes: brutal ones.

12:00:24 Vexual: duch comments

12:00:41 nubbins`: ben_vulpes, exciting!

12:00:45 Vexual: *such

12:01:37 nubbins`: too bad btc is considered property here in canada :(

12:01:50 Vexual: here too apparently

12:02:00 ben_vulpes: what btc?

12:02:14 ben_vulpes: i'm too poor for that shit. have you seen the books?

12:02:51 nubbins`: there are books?

12:03:06 ben_vulpes: surprised me too

12:05:47 Vexual: !up xinxi

12:06:06 nubbins`: so namibia has figured out how to stop people from killing rhinos for their horns

12:06:15 Vexual: shoot em?

12:06:29 nubbins`: dehorn the rhinos themselves

12:06:37 nubbins`: catch & release

12:06:38 nubbins`: :0

12:06:50 chetty: ow, poor rhinos

12:06:53 ben_vulpes: <thickasthieves> bubbles come in all sizes << notrly, only 187.5, 375, 750 1.5 and those fuck off big custom ones

12:06:55 ben_vulpes: :P

12:07:17 Vexual: i thought diamonds were the biz there now?

12:08:21 nubbins`: two-industry country, i guess

12:08:22 Vexual: perhaps thats another case of who you know

12:10:48 Vexual: they do gold too

12:11:14 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

12:11:15 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 396.64, Best ask: 398.61, Bid-ask spread: 1.97000, Last trade: 396.61, 24 hour volume: 22780.62197345, 24 hour low: 386.68, 24 hour high: 415.0, 24 hour vwap: 400.380297893

12:12:22 thickasthieves: hehe i like this typo "its not a bug, its a future"

12:12:44 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'insta-zap' this reminds me of the poor, self-deluding fuckers who work at a defense contractor client of mine. "it's different somehow if there's a *camera* on the flying robot", never mind that the algo's to point a gun are a quadratic estimation away from the algos to lock a camera

12:12:57 thickasthieves: works nice for all these vulns being 'discovered'

12:13:22 ben_vulpes: "it's different somehow if we write 'pure' code to do flight path planning", never mind that the flight paths are for killing

12:13:35 ben_vulpes: just pick up a gun and be done with it, ye hypocritical nerds

12:13:41 mircea_popescu: CME Site use GMT-5. CME Charts use GMT-4. << lmao the shit bitbet admin has to put up with

12:14:35 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you got your finger on a sore spot there.

12:14:59 ben_vulpes: this is the "curse of the cool problem" that these over-educated CS people must endure. cannot simply work in salt mines, 'cause inadequately intellectually fulfilling. instead, sell soul to devil, lie about it to self for the duration of life.

12:15:17 mircea_popescu: hey. it's adequate to their needs and aspirations.

12:15:25 ben_vulpes: tellingly, none of them will touch btc.

12:15:28 ben_vulpes: "too volatile".

12:15:36 ben_vulpes: "no economists".

12:15:42 mircea_popescu: the entire "shit in your mouth and think about how you're not" thing definitely manages to keep a bunch of intelligently stupid folk busy.

12:15:58 mircea_popescu: the best makework the devil ever invented. beats the shit out of painting rocks white then turning them over

12:16:15 ben_vulpes: poor children, unable to comprehend the world for themselves without someone there instructing them on what to parse from the atoms a-knocking.

12:16:38 ben_vulpes: "we need safe-by-construction computers in this application. here's 10M."

12:17:12 ben_vulpes: ('safe-by-construction', 'correct-by-construction' - as asciilifeform points out time and time again, these are impossibilities).

12:17:43 ben_vulpes: they do enjoy themselves, and the USG keeps otherwise brilliant and hardworking people from being useful at large.

12:18:01 mircea_popescu: exactly the wordpress problem, repeated.

12:18:07 nubbins`: otherwise brilliant 8)

12:18:15 nubbins`: he's brilliant, except for the fucking idiot part

12:18:17 mircea_popescu: because a bunch of asswipes are pushing out insecure code, and because a bunch of imbeciles heart those assholes,

12:18:23 mircea_popescu: people can't run websites.

12:18:30 mircea_popescu: this is the entire us system, at its core.

12:18:42 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH476CxJxfg

12:18:53 mircea_popescu: nubbins` happens atrociously often.

12:19:13 nubbins`: no kidding

12:20:27 ben_vulpes: bright folks are easily deluded outside their areas of competence

12:20:38 mircea_popescu: and you know, everyone's hope is that they will live for long enough in a pile of goop made out of copies of themselves big enough that they won't ever have to go face to face with those "evil sociopaths" and "trolls"

12:21:11 mircea_popescu: yet something tells me the recent beheadings aren't excesses, but merely the early drops of a coming avalanche.

12:21:33 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/lawsky-stays-lulzy/

12:21:34 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/the-fall-of-moolah-io/

12:21:35 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/labor-party-australia-cant-ignore-bitcoin/

12:21:36 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/living-room-of-satoshi-packs-it-in/

12:21:50 Vexual: ive decided the pray away the gay tapes are working sine i learned you have a sister

12:22:20 nubbins`: ben_vulpes: that's pretty much btc space in a nutshell

12:22:33 ben_vulpes: nubbins`: whole world, really

12:22:49 *: nubbins` nods

12:23:00 Vexual: oh shit i am kill

12:23:01 ben_vulpes: cazalla: "per se"

12:23:09 ben_vulpes: (lawsky)

12:24:03 thickasthieves: p3s1 on lawsky article is missing quotes

12:24:37 ben_vulpes: step it up, chief

12:24:37 thickasthieves: also has license mispelled once

12:24:44 nubbins`: lisence

12:24:54 nubbins`: lysense

12:25:34 mircea_popescu: the lynsolence!

12:25:44 ben_vulpes: lisene

12:26:58 nubbins`: lycopene

12:27:20 ben_vulpes: you mispelled it, nubbins`

12:27:38 thickasthieves: btw site pages are loading fast for me now

12:29:50 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves what is it that they were calling it, "a war something or the other"

12:30:01 ben_vulpes: mmm launch day

12:30:09 ben_vulpes: up at 4.20, caffinated by 5.30

12:30:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9707 @ 0.00073379 = 7.1229 BTC [-]

12:30:32 nubbins`: 5:30 :0

12:30:36 Vexual: i get caffinated before i wake

12:30:40 nubbins`: somebody lives on the west coast

12:30:44 nubbins`: it's 10am here

12:31:01 ben_vulpes: he maths! he timezones! he prints shirts!

12:31:07 ben_vulpes: the one, the only, the inimitable!

12:31:07 nubbins`: Vexual i used to, but the IV kept ripping out of my arm while i slept

12:31:09 bounce: thought that coast was deserted except for the hippies

12:31:25 ben_vulpes: nah, it's where the programmers with a care for cost and quality of living reside

12:31:26 nubbins`: ben_vulpes: the peerless, the incomparable...

12:32:10 thickasthieves: war on intelligence?

12:32:17 thickasthieves: not sure what u refer to

12:32:30 ben_vulpes: thickasthieves: yourself as well :P

12:32:35 nubbins`: ;;google it's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom

12:32:36 gribble: Bill Hicks - War on drugs - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdS5ZFtpIF8; BILL HICKS WAR ON DRUGS - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCf2fJsBxRc; Bill Hicks - War On Drugs - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy-y-uamSiE

12:33:04 thickasthieves: myself as well?

12:33:12 ben_vulpes: <thickasthieves> not sure what u refer to

12:33:12 thickasthieves: whas gonon hea?

12:33:35 nubbins`: suppose i should roll down the hill to pick up that pantone swatchbook

12:35:49 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfbvm52G8fE

12:35:58 ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> wah.. i searched for it in the logs and everything :< << good example of the persistent connection's utility.

12:36:13 ben_vulpes: one can search, copy, paste, etc without relying on other's mystery meat.

12:36:30 ben_vulpes: (or leaving the comfort of emacs, if one's so inclined...)

12:37:19 Vexual: do you mean outdoors?

12:38:22 ben_vulpes: i emacs outdoors

12:38:35 Vexual: thats right, you do it in bars

12:38:48 ben_vulpes: i do it wherever i pleases! it, *and* emacs.

12:39:03 Vexual: straight pimpin

12:39:35 ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgoqrgc_0cM

12:39:35 assbot: JAY-Z - Big Pimpin' ft. UGK - YouTube

12:40:26 ben_vulpes: i ain't got no patience...

12:41:20 ben_vulpes: <punkman> a terrarium for its snakes << DOCKER, YOU FOOLS

12:41:42 ben_vulpes: you're going to put python on an actual system?

12:41:44 kakobrekla: docker is scam.

12:41:47 *: ben_vulpes quakes in boots

12:41:55 ben_vulpes: python is scam

12:42:01 kakobrekla: scam is scam.

12:43:32 kakobrekla: shit abstractions all the way down to the metal.

12:43:42 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes just so you know, i'm writing an article because of you.

12:43:42 ben_vulpes: wrap the shit in shit

12:43:54 *: ben_vulpes quakes again

12:44:03 Vexual: this drowns out the sound of town cars that obviosly aren't mercs

12:44:17 Vexual: i am frighten

12:44:26 ben_vulpes: on a more serious note, i've gotten really great mileage from using docker to santize insane client django stacks

12:44:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00073725 = 19.4265 BTC [+] {2}

12:44:58 *: ben_vulpes looks through requirements.txt, sees PIL, GEOS, reaches for docker

12:45:01 kakobrekla: the thing you need to ditch first from above is the 'client' part

12:45:07 ben_vulpes: gotta eat, kakobrekla

12:45:13 ben_vulpes: didn't get in early enough on btctrain

12:45:29 kakobrekla: excuses

12:45:48 ben_vulpes: got a big list

12:45:54 kakobrekla: :)

12:45:55 ben_vulpes: almost as long as my schlong

12:46:08 ben_vulpes: hey, it's the one thing we're actually taught in usschool

12:46:18 ben_vulpes: how to dodge responsiblity for our own poor decisions

12:46:19 kakobrekla: heh

12:47:43 ben_vulpes: oh hey subject of personal responsibility, i saw a direct report's eyes glaze over with adoration and loyalty last night

12:48:21 ben_vulpes: "no no, this is my fault because x, y, z" {x,y,z} being things outside her control and knowledge that she expected to be held responsible for

12:49:08 ben_vulpes: tempered with a brief glare signifying "don't do this to me again."

12:51:28 punkman: just dusted off ancient juicer, still works http://i.imgur.com/eFs13T0.jpg

12:52:07 ben_vulpes: OH SO THE METAL HALIDE STORY

12:52:52 ben_vulpes: went to grow store, was sorely disappointed by potheads unable to comprehend the utility of grow lights in a warehouse cum office situation and unable to make purchasing recommendations that fell within a reasonable price/quality zone

12:53:13 ben_vulpes: went to home depot (BEZZLE CENTRAL, APPARENTLY)

12:54:15 ben_vulpes: options for lighting are:

12:54:17 ben_vulpes: CFL

12:54:27 ben_vulpes: CFL in housing that doesn't look like a CFL

12:54:32 Vexual: plamsa

12:54:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00073815 = 10.7032 BTC [+] {2}

12:54:38 ben_vulpes: CFL in packaging that FAILS TO DISCLOSE CFL INTERNALS

12:54:49 ben_vulpes: LED bundles

12:55:05 ben_vulpes: and ofc halogen and metal halide bulbs but NO GODDAMN BALLASTS

12:55:18 punkman: "hello I want a 60watt bulb" "here take this 7 watt stealth CFL, same thing"

12:55:46 punkman: fuckers

12:55:53 ben_vulpes: "hello i want to dissipate 60 watts"

12:56:00 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LqBw6FNNng

12:56:17 ben_vulpes: "surely you mean you want the equivalent amount of light from this tiny little zone in the spectrum"

12:56:23 ben_vulpes: "no asshole i want a black body emitter"

12:58:18 Vexual: photosythetic active radiation

12:59:45 bounce: "heat bulbs" http://www.heatbulbs.eu/

12:59:46 assbot: Heatbulbs - The lightbulbs for heating & lightbulbs for decoration

13:00:03 Vexual: whaadday got lizards?

13:01:51 bounce: just out of idle curiosity, why the preference for tungsten?

13:01:58 Vexual: ya want a philips plasma thing

13:02:03 Vexual: hoi

13:03:46 kakobrekla: about half of my bulbs at home are led

13:04:24 kakobrekla: cfl in the bathroom cause slow start

13:04:35 Vexual: i bought all leds a while back nd they're all harsh blue

13:04:54 bounce: the ones in use most here are halogen-variety tungsten

13:04:54 Vexual: they make em in any colour now

13:05:06 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> the one, the only, the inimitable! << now reimplement it in gaskell.

13:05:55 kakobrekla: punkman subdomain should be live

13:08:06 punkman: kakobrekla: yeah getting to that http://pastebin.com/fdzWFJQe

13:08:06 assbot: RagnarDanneskjol: !deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deed - Pastebin.com

13:08:54 mircea_popescu: <punkman> "hello I want a 60watt bulb" "here take this 7 watt stealth CFL, same thing" << lol yup. commerce now meas bait and switch apparently.

13:09:32 kakobrekla: i think i found a bug in DO billing script

13:09:35 Vexual: oldest trcik in the book

13:09:39 kakobrekla: scam everywhere

13:09:45 mircea_popescu: <bounce> just out of idle curiosity, why the preference for tungsten? <<< goes with the preference for emacs. old thing proven to work well.

13:10:08 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the wonderful world of computing is becoming dangerous for people able to think on their own.

13:10:16 bounce: that wasn't why I was asking

13:10:39 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu one day ill cut the cable never to return.

13:10:49 mircea_popescu: that'll be sad.

13:10:53 mircea_popescu: bounce sorry, what did i miss ?

13:11:52 bounce: sometimes there's specific reasons why alternatives just won't do. "old and proven" doesn't mean the alternative won't work.

13:12:21 Vexual: my phatographer says tungsten and halogen are diddimilar

13:12:45 mircea_popescu: bounce but you were asking why the preference

13:12:53 mircea_popescu: did you mean to ask "why do you think the alternative won't work" ?

13:13:12 bounce: no, I wanted to know which, if any, specific reason would apply for him.

13:13:29 mircea_popescu: well that's a point.

13:14:26 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYi7uEvEEmk

13:14:31 mircea_popescu: ok this bill hicks thing works lol

13:14:42 mircea_popescu: "how about that, people are winning a war and they're fucked up"

13:14:44 punkman: incandescents not that great in the summer

13:14:54 punkman: and who has time to switch them

13:16:58 bounce: secondary ligthing circuits with a master switch in the basement. suddenly, all the light switches control a different set of lamps

13:17:06 mircea_popescu: i don't think i've ever lived in a room small enough that the lighting fixtures made a noticeable difference.

13:17:38 mircea_popescu: and for the record, i routinely use 200W incandescents etc.

13:18:26 kakobrekla: lemme guess, bulb sex?

13:19:14 Vexual: thats not a thing

13:19:44 mircea_popescu: lol no dude, high ceilings

13:21:31 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/heres-why-we-dont-like-how-the-world-currently-works/

13:21:33 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuAw77J8_Y

13:25:47 mircea_popescu: holy shit. keith richards is still alive ?

13:26:38 mircea_popescu: i wonder what his heroin habit looks like by now.

13:27:01 Vexual: under control i guess

13:27:12 mircea_popescu: prolly has a can the size of dry protein economy packs.

13:27:27 mircea_popescu: "eight tablespoonfulls should do"

13:31:51 Vexual: amy winehouse only died coz she slowed up

13:32:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20125 @ 0.00073367 = 14.7651 BTC [-] {2}

13:32:21 mircea_popescu: prolly.

13:32:46 pete_dushenski: howdy

13:33:22 mircea_popescu: how's canada ?

13:33:41 pete_dushenski: now that qntra has brought wp and hosting to top of mind, and after i changed hosting platforms, i noticed something odd on my stats page...

13:34:05 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the days are getting waaay shorter. no more 11pm sunsets ;(

13:34:28 mircea_popescu: o cuz winter coming up there huh ?

13:34:38 mircea_popescu: im buying light linen suits over here.

13:34:47 mircea_popescu: Adlai: automated extraction of 3d movements from professional porn and cloud-based rendering of your nudes in their place? << o.O

13:34:48 Vexual: you in oz pete?

13:34:48 pete_dushenski: the oddity is that this (http://contravex.com/robots.txt) is the "top download"

13:35:03 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski not really odd on a new and rapidly growing site.

13:35:28 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: surely enough. yellow leaves are clinging on for dear life.

13:35:42 mircea_popescu: Vexual: big first week huh? << huge, but apparently it's a 2nd week.

13:36:01 Vexual: oh, i dont do time

13:36:13 mircea_popescu: lmao

13:36:20 mircea_popescu: did i rate this guy even

13:36:22 mircea_popescu: ;;rated Vexual

13:36:22 gribble: You have not yet rated user Vexual

13:36:29 pete_dushenski: also, awstats is so blatantly superior to any wp plugin i've ever seen. amazing i'm just finding it now!

13:36:29 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

13:36:35 mircea_popescu: ;;rate Vexual he don't do time, for ain't no one here got time for that.

13:36:35 gribble: Error: 'he' is not a valid integer.

13:36:51 pete_dushenski: Vexual: i'm in canuckistan.

13:36:52 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski myeah. also, wp plugins are generally trouble

13:36:57 mircea_popescu: fraudsters runs on like... two.

13:37:16 Vexual: a month off yyoure dead

13:37:31 mircea_popescu: ;;rate Vexual 1 he don't do time, for ain't no one here got time for that.

13:37:31 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

13:37:43 mircea_popescu: o.O

13:38:25 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFEoMO0pc7k

13:38:57 mircea_popescu: assbot: The Great Robocoin Rip-off <<< eagerly awaiting the qntra write-up because docs.google is too js-y for me.

13:39:44 pete_dushenski: heya Pierre_Rochard !

13:39:46 mircea_popescu: !up Pierre_Rochard

13:39:54 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Pierre_Rochard

13:39:55 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Pierre_Rochard: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Pierre_Rochard | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Pierre_Rochard | Rated since: Sun Jun 1 10:18:50 2014

13:40:43 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: just do money exchange desks << this is exactly what i'm doing.

13:40:45 Vexual: what does pierre rochard do?

13:40:47 mircea_popescu: it requires competence tho.

13:40:59 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: assbot: The Great Robocoin Rip-off <<< eagerly awaiting the qntra write-up because docs.google is too js-y for me. << i know two guys who bought these. one of them actually pgps. maybe an interview can be arranged by cazalla or bingoboingo?

13:41:21 Vexual: !up namworld

13:41:23 mircea_popescu: i guess so, even though... how's the interview of a bagholder supposed to go ?

13:41:25 pete_dushenski: Vexual: Pierre_Rochard works at bitpay

13:41:25 Pierre_Rochard: ;;gettrust assbot Pierre_Rochard

13:41:26 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Pierre_Rochard!~Pierre@ Trust relationship from user assbot to user Pierre_Rochard: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Pierre_Rochard | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Pierre_Rochard | Rated since: Sun Jun 1 10:18:50 2014

13:41:31 thickasthieves: !s vancleef

13:41:32 assbot: 2051 results for 'vancleef' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=vancleef

13:41:52 pete_dushenski: ;;rated Pierre_Rochard

13:41:52 gribble: You have not yet rated user Pierre_Rochard

13:43:54 danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, yeah; i shoulda checked my own version of the logs, or better yet, scroll up one page.. :/

13:44:20 pete_dushenski: ;;rate Pierre_Rochard 2 il a la tête sur les épaules

13:44:21 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user Pierre_Rochard has been recorded.

13:44:32 Vexual: qntra comments: leah:source? cazalla:snarky sunt!

13:44:32 pete_dushenski: ;;rated kako

13:44:33 gribble: You have not yet rated user kako

13:44:40 pete_dushenski: ;;rated kakobrekla

13:44:40 gribble: You rated user kakobrekla on Fri Jun 27 18:12:54 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: greaser of #bitcoin-assets wheels. hasn't run off with bitbets.

13:45:50 pete_dushenski: ;;rate kakobrekla 3 runs bitbet like a champ. #bitcoin-assets bots too.

13:45:51 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 2 to 3.

13:45:58 Vexual: ive never spilled by breakfast whisky reading coindesk

13:47:01 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: interview goes "i would never do this again because las vegas derp is a so-and-so"

13:47:08 thickasthieves: what tips your whiskey these days?

13:48:16 pete_dushenski: anyways, i'm still confused by this /robots/txt thing. don't know how it got there, if it's bad mkay, or why it would attract hits/downloads.

13:49:10 mircea_popescu: `jurov`: weird. clicked on comment, again 404 << sounds like some weird yet elusive dns issue.

13:49:31 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski robots.txt is by convention a file which describes the site owner's view on robots

13:49:59 mircea_popescu: ie, who, what and how much is acceptable to download. well behaved robots honor it. google does.

13:51:16 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a well til. ty!

13:51:46 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell PinkPosixPXE: When the Mycelium Entropy is inserted into the USB drive << see http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/17/proof-that-mycelium-knows-how-to-make-a-better-rng-for-its-entropy-dongle-and-isnt/

13:51:47 assbot: Proof That Mycelium Knows How To Make A Better RNG For Its Entropy Dongle. And Isn't. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

13:51:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:51:53 thickasthieves: BRK-A down 1.6%!

13:51:57 mircea_popescu: o noes

13:52:07 thickasthieves: :)

13:52:21 RagnarDanneskjol: http://seekingalpha.com/article/2561785-assessing-macro-risks-for-the-4-most-important-berkshire-buffett-stocks

13:52:21 assbot: Assessing Macro Risks For The 4 Most Important Berkshire/Buffett Stocks | Seeking Alpha

13:53:01 mircea_popescu: what is he even holding, i forget. chewing gum, hfcs water and what ?

13:53:09 mircea_popescu: zippers and buttons ?

13:53:20 thickasthieves: wells fargo

13:53:37 RagnarDanneskjol: WFC, KO, AXP, and IBM

13:53:56 pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: and ebola is picking up the slack! http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ebola-spurs-lakeland-stock-rally-040001050.html

13:53:58 assbot: Ebola Spurs Lakelands Stock Rally, Adding $118 Million - Yahoo Finance

13:54:06 thickasthieves: lol

13:54:08 mircea_popescu: wfc is purely symbolic, just an ombillicum to daddy govt

13:54:32 Vexual: if i might descibe some symolism

13:54:34 thickasthieves: wfc does at least seems to be one of the banks moving along better than most

13:55:15 thickasthieves: horrible logo tho

13:55:29 thickasthieves: destined to fail by logo

13:56:35 mircea_popescu: hahaha what a winchel analysis

13:57:03 Vexual: ;;google winchel

13:57:04 gribble: Walter Winchell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Winchell; Winchel Irrigation: http://www.winchelirrigation.com/; Beki Winchel (@bekiweki) | Twitter: https://twitter.com/bekiweki

13:57:15 Vexual: dat it?

13:57:19 mircea_popescu: yeah

13:57:25 mircea_popescu: anyway, nfi what ibm is supposed to do for anyone.

13:57:32 pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/RhSJwTC << if anyone is interested in catching a glimpse of contravex's awstats since hosting move on sunday :D

13:57:32 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

13:57:51 mircea_popescu: from what i gather it's mostly a real estate play by now. sort of catholic church

13:57:56 thickasthieves: IBM probly just makes compuers for NSA and DARPA

13:58:07 mircea_popescu: hardly

13:58:14 thickasthieves: then wtf do they do

13:58:17 thickasthieves: hehe

13:58:25 mircea_popescu: jesus this seeking alpha bs... let's make a derpy article 14 pages long so everyone reding an article does 14+ clicks

13:58:27 thickasthieves: make chess robots?

13:58:31 mircea_popescu: so then we can lie to the advertisers better

13:58:40 bounce: sell software and consulting "services"

13:58:44 mircea_popescu: ^

13:58:45 Vexual: ;;google the significance of the pickle

13:58:46 gribble: Arlo Guthrie - Motorcycle (Significance of the Pickle) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmCwvvwpPAo; Arlo Guthrie - The Motorcycle Song (The Significance Of The Pickle ...: http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/arlo_guthrie/the_motorcycle_song_the_significance_of_the_pickle.html; Arlo Guthrie – Motorcycle (Significance Of The Pickle) Song – Listen ...: (1 more message)

13:58:52 mircea_popescu: basically they're a fatter, older ben_vulpes

13:59:02 Vexual: lol

13:59:08 bounce: get in on the ground floor! invest nao!

13:59:16 mircea_popescu: a olook at that. seekingalpha sends me a popup with no close button

13:59:20 mircea_popescu: dude this shit...

13:59:50 Vexual: well i could tell you the significance of the mickey mouse

14:00:01 bounce: even the mainframe business exists mostly to charge 35k+/month for the licences, or something to that tune

14:00:38 kakobrekla: scam here scam there https://charts.mql5.com/5/959/eurusd-m15-worth-ltd-venetfx-2.png

14:00:55 kakobrekla: pump n dumpers

14:01:02 Vexual: ;;ticker

14:01:03 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 396.97, Best ask: 398.43, Bid-ask spread: 1.46000, Last trade: 398.43, 24 hour volume: 22403.83407178, 24 hour low: 386.68, 24 hour high: 415.0, 24 hour vwap: 400.117740165

14:01:23 Adlai: Vexual: now that's a song i haven't heard in a looooong time

14:01:44 bounce: maybe should check some spam archive or other to see if there's secret pennystock buy recommendations pumping eurusd

14:01:51 mircea_popescu: lol ewro is up nao ?

14:01:58 kakobrekla: totally

14:02:03 mircea_popescu: seems legit

14:02:10 kakobrekla: uhum

14:02:12 Vexual: since down yesterday?

14:02:31 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so how much did you save your investors by closing the thing by now ? 5% ?

14:03:14 kakobrekla: if we were to continue as it was?

14:03:48 thickasthieves: kako did they get you with that pump?

14:04:19 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> ok this bill hicks thing works lol << guy was a sage

14:04:24 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes.

14:04:44 mircea_popescu: cazalla can you explain that 4plebs img thing ? i dun have the context.

14:05:29 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu with that last adjustments that were made about flat, without them prolly worse than -5% but i havent checked really

14:05:40 kakobrekla: thickasthieves from the chart id say i got them

14:05:55 thickasthieves: is there a list of winchellese phrases and words anywhere?

14:06:02 thickasthieves: never heard of the guy til now

14:06:05 thickasthieves: sounds fun

14:06:11 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves sure, people've done studies

14:06:12 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpj9mCl0qg

14:06:15 mircea_popescu: doubt anything online tho

14:07:13 thickasthieves: omg why is the internet so lacking in what i want

14:07:33 mircea_popescu: ;;google "and all the ships at sea"

14:07:34 gribble: Walter Winchell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Winchell; Walter Winchell - Wikiquote: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Walter_Winchell; Good Evening Mr. and Mrs. America, and All the Ships at Sea: Novel ...: http://www.amazon.com/Good-Evening-Mrs-America-Ships/dp/B000C4T22G

14:08:59 thickasthieves: cut from the berra cloth a but

14:09:01 thickasthieves: bit

14:10:13 nubbins`: ships at sea, huh

14:10:16 nubbins`: ;;google playin my music on the submarines and the boats

14:10:17 gribble: ODB - I Can't Wait (Big Baby Jesus) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYGxyjXrnCk; Ol' Dirty Bastard - I Can't Wait Lyrics | MetroLyrics: http://www.metrolyrics.com/i-cant-wait-lyrics-ol-dirty-bastard.html; Amazon.com: War in the Boats: My WWII Submarine Battles ...: http://www.amazon.com/War-Boats-Submarine-Battles-Memories/dp/1574887343

14:10:46 mircea_popescu: Adlai: oh durban. another friend got deported from there... this appears to be the national pastime for my age group << how da fuck do you get deported FROM durban

14:10:50 mircea_popescu: isn't that where they send you ?

14:11:25 nubbins`: ;;google durban poison

14:11:26 gribble: Durban Poison Strain Information - Leafly: http://www.leafly.com/sativa/durban-poison; Cannabis Encyclopedia strain review: Durban Poison | Marijuana ...: http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2013/11/cannabis_encyclopedia_strain_review_durban_poison.php; Durban Poison // Expert Strain Reviews & Photos - 91LIFE: http://91life.stickyguide.com/marijuana-strains/durban-poison/

14:11:53 Vexual: indeed, durban seems like a final destination

14:12:02 nubbins`: durban poison sounds fucking great

14:12:17 Vexual: say that on the flipside

14:12:34 nubbins`: can't, don't have any

14:12:42 nubbins`: it's all kush here in .ca

14:12:49 Vexual: ergot final destination

14:14:55 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1044/dolar-blue-over-20-argentine-pesos-on-or/ << this has more volume than the last argentine exchange, recently closed down

14:14:56 assbot: BitBet - Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th) :: 7.4 B (42%) on Yes, 10.14 B (58%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 4 days | weight: 46`339 (100`000 to 1)

14:14:57 mircea_popescu: unisomething

14:15:05 nubbins`: http://www.grainscanada.gc.ca/fact-fait/ergot-eng.htm

14:15:06 assbot: Ergot and its effect on your wheat grade

14:15:24 nubbins`: more like ergot and its effect on your chemistry lab, amirite?

14:15:27 thickasthieves: that durban poison looks like something i'd eat

14:16:33 nubbins`: looks like something i'd smoke

14:16:40 Vexual: yeah but going to za for durban is like going to tokyo for hamburgers

14:18:27 Vexual: you'll try it and ou know it'll be good, but it's not why you're there

14:19:53 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkjbMoj0JY4

14:19:56 nubbins`: heh

14:21:04 nubbins`: decided to try adding pigment to silver base today

14:21:24 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/3uIo3z9

14:21:24 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:22:01 nubbins`: verdict: not too shabby

14:22:11 mircea_popescu: aaaannnd ddos is back. round... i forget, 7 ? 8 ?

14:22:12 nubbins`: bbl bank appt

14:23:05 kakobrekla: hack into nsa and host it there

14:23:13 mike_c: has the responsible party taken credit for the qntra harrassment?

14:23:45 kakobrekla: yesterday reddit police came by yes

14:24:24 mike_c: those guys must be really bored. get mp kicked off twitter! ddos qntra!

14:24:39 mircea_popescu: lol

14:25:02 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i doubt the nsa is actually strong enough. their entire shtick is security through obscurantism

14:25:08 mircea_popescu: or whatever it's spilled.

14:25:14 mircea_popescu: shit im on a punroll.

14:25:35 Vexual: typoing liek a champ

14:25:37 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, the "reddit police" was the earlier, muchly belulzed fraudsters ddos.

14:25:43 mircea_popescu: this actually was... goat ?

14:25:45 mircea_popescu: !s goat

14:25:46 assbot: 565 results for 'goat' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=goat

14:25:51 kakobrekla: !s police

14:25:52 assbot: 653 results for 'police' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=police

14:26:04 Vexual: ! goat + police

14:26:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#873855 <<<

14:26:07 assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 02:39:56; DowntimeBsns: i'm goat

14:26:22 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#873840

14:26:23 assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 02:37:22; BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: Are you the reddit police?

14:26:29 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#873841

14:26:30 assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 02:37:27; DowntimeBsns: yes

14:26:40 mike_c: uh, qntra.net is resolving to localhost?

14:26:51 kakobrekla: i havent heard this guy 'sueing' anyone - so not goat.

14:26:58 kakobrekla: at least no chaang goat

14:27:06 kakobrekla: some other goat perhaps

14:27:36 mircea_popescu: mebbe. on the other hand, the absolutely only person who would care enough about goat to name goat would be goat himself.

14:27:39 mike_c: i got srsly weirded out there. went to qntra.net/feed/ and the btcalpha rss feed came up.

14:27:53 mircea_popescu: o.O

14:27:59 chetty: ooo marketwatch is down, but I got an email dow is bleeding bad

14:28:09 kakobrekla: goat the chaang doesnt have ddos capabilities

14:28:14 kakobrekla: he can hardly import private key

14:28:33 Vexual: he doesnt have a post to tie himself to

14:28:34 mircea_popescu: he can suck cock, can't he ?

14:28:55 mircea_popescu: this is all derpy anyway, a kid with a wp list and a lousy 3.5kish botnet.

14:29:14 Vexual: it might be huff

14:29:57 kakobrekla: well he can but sucking a cock is not a crime.

14:30:05 Vexual: might be fuckin news ltd

14:30:47 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not a crime, but a means of payment

14:30:56 mircea_popescu: gets you a pack of ciggs or w/e.

14:31:08 Vexual: is he incarceraed?

14:31:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9375 @ 0.00073347 = 6.8763 BTC [-]

14:31:21 mircea_popescu: just stuck in thailand.

14:31:25 Vexual: lol

14:32:04 mike_c: not sure if this is part of fighting attack, but feed is returning 403. http://qntra.net/feed/

14:32:04 assbot: 403 Forbidden

14:32:10 mircea_popescu: chetty 16116.85 -198.34 (-1.22%) ?

14:32:43 mircea_popescu: if anyone wants on the whitelist you can just pm me an ip.

14:33:49 mats_cd03: it seems nobody has noticed all of the bugs patched today haven't been properly fixed

14:34:06 `jurov`: punkman: what if coinbr issues you redeemable signed receipt in exchange for your shares,

14:34:08 mats_cd03: they could be used for remote exploitation, e.g. non-browser, non-document things

14:34:09 `jurov`: that entitles you (or anyone who has it) for delivery of these assets to their coinbr acct within 14 days of redemption, plus any dividends in meantime?

14:34:15 chetty: eh -198, that not so bad

14:34:21 mats_cd03: if u r a 0day hunter... get on it and make some monaaaay

14:34:49 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 why does it seem nobody has noticed lol

14:35:19 mats_cd03: well, they weren't patched. thats mostly why.

14:35:24 mircea_popescu: jurov that leading quote is the substance of annoying. anyway, "anyone who has it" can backfire massively.

14:35:42 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 o you meant by the victims, nm.

14:36:02 `jurov`: um... it's up to him to keep it secret, no?

14:36:44 `jurov`: or he can give it to someone else

14:36:56 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tES3mcwS8EQ

14:37:51 `jurov`: he has to trust me i won't leak it anyway, not sure if that can be solved

14:38:00 mircea_popescu: better if you require explicit assignation

14:38:41 mircea_popescu: not to mention it motivates him to finish the deeds thing already :D

14:39:56 `jurov`: i'm trying to figure out a way for poor qntra writers to have their shares, too, while avoiding freeloading

14:40:49 mircea_popescu: i know. but i mean, issue it in his name/gpg key, and require that in order for a third party to benefit, there must be a deeds registered, signed assignation

14:42:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2175 @ 0.00073457 = 1.5977 BTC [+]

14:42:49 `jurov`: yes, but i'd have to track it then.. better just add a button "loan the shares to coinbr"

14:43:03 `jurov`: and then empty accounts don't pay monthly fee

14:43:39 Vexual: this is like when my car bacfired out the front of the meachanics shop and they thought i had a gun

14:44:03 punkman: `jurov`: I had pretty much the same idea, was gonna ask

14:44:23 punkman: maybe I fund and account at coinbr with 0.1 and you mark it as frozen?

14:44:24 Vexual: nah man, im here to give you money

14:44:29 kakobrekla: ;;seen smickles

14:44:29 gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 1 day, 10 hours, 26 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <smickles> easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs

14:45:29 `jurov`: punkman thing is, it isn't coded yet. so far we can just make a deed about the loan with above conditions (14 day redemption)

14:45:40 mircea_popescu: <`jurov`> yes, but i'd have to track it then.. better just add a button "loan the shares to coinbr" <<< this may be a better idea, run your own fund i guess

14:45:41 `jurov`: and you'll need an acct only on redemption

14:46:22 punkman: ;;ident `jurov`

14:46:22 gribble: Nick '`jurov`', with hostmask '`jurov`!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com', is not identified.

14:46:37 jurov: ;;iden jurov

14:46:37 gribble: Error: "iden" is not a valid command.

14:46:40 jurov: ;;ident jurov

14:46:40 gribble: Nick 'jurov', with hostmask 'jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com', is not identified.

14:46:44 jurov: mkay

14:47:35 jurov: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e3039a807de091554a4ed03c10aadf7def402a5268d9e4cbe87e4bab

14:47:36 gribble: You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7

14:51:04 mike_c: so this is it, SSL is dead now. crazy.

14:51:38 Vexual: are you being funny?

14:51:57 punkman: mircea_popescu: my shares to be sent to jurov whenever the board pleases

14:52:20 mike_c: possibly unintentionally. i just mean that it is now going to be widely discarded instead of narrowly discarded.

14:52:23 nubbins`: i wonder is goat actually in thailand?

14:52:29 ben_vulpes: mike_c: to what are you referring?

14:52:38 Vexual: yah bankok

14:52:44 mircea_popescu: the recent soup of holes

14:52:47 mike_c: poodle.

14:53:07 Vexual: awful place

14:53:15 nubbins`: never been

14:53:18 *: nubbins` shrugs

14:53:21 mike_c: http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2014/10/this-poodle-bites-exploiting-ssl-30.html

14:53:21 assbot: Google Online Security Blog: This POODLE bites: exploiting the SSL 3.0 fallback

14:53:26 nubbins`: last address i had for him placed him in the usa

14:53:31 jurov: mike_c: in favor of what? i don't see any scramblingo to implement,. say gpg signatures support in browsers

14:53:42 *: Vexual shugs

14:53:46 mircea_popescu: what's to stop em ?

14:53:49 ben_vulpes: <`jurov`> yes, but i'd have to track it then.. better just add a button "loan the shares to coinbr" << not at all, just import all the keys and verify all the sigs at transfer.

14:53:50 punkman: http://openpgpjs.org/

14:53:50 assbot: OpenPGP.js | OpenPGP JavaScript Implementation

14:53:50 bounce: somebody did, then the thing broke

14:53:52 mike_c: in favor of TLS. don't worry, that one is secure!

14:54:00 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha okay

14:54:41 punkman: and if you want more lulz https://www.igolder.com/pgp/encryption/

14:54:41 assbot: PGP Encryption Tool - iGolder

14:55:32 bounce: there was "firegpg" for a bit. aparently there's "webpg"

14:55:52 Vexual: nubbins`: if you can hang onto your wallet it's not bad

14:55:58 nubbins`: never trust a man named jared

14:56:01 jurov: but i mean on same level as tls is now

14:56:09 bounce: oh, "mailvelope"

14:57:01 mircea_popescu: "Since August 1st, 2013 iGolder is no longer accepting new accounts and balances can only be redeemed. During the past years, we have been recommending Bitcoin more than our own payment system. We believe in physical gold ownership, and developed iGolder as a mechanism for people to acquire physical gold by trading with one another."

14:57:06 jurov: ben_vulpes: that doesn't preclude circulation of duplicates

14:57:08 mircea_popescu: more power to them

14:58:38 mircea_popescu: https://www.igolder.com/pgp/encryption/ << someone explain to me how is this a tool.

14:58:39 assbot: PGP Encryption Tool - iGolder

14:58:52 mircea_popescu: so send your plaintext over https to a server, which then gives yo ua safe token for your correspondant

14:58:59 mircea_popescu: couldn't you do the same sending https email ?

14:59:07 ben_vulpes: jurov: what does a duplicate matter?

15:00:19 jurov: ben_vulpes race conditions who will redeem it first and such mess

15:01:42 jurov: not to mention if someone succeeds to sell and circulate them further, coinbr will be blamed

15:02:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00073334 = 27.9769 BTC [-]

15:03:14 ben_vulpes: well race condition only happens if someone sells and signs on to two seperate parties

15:03:22 jurov: yes, that's what i mean

15:03:32 ben_vulpes: brings us back to trusting humans

15:03:46 ben_vulpes: eg, cazalla counterparties trusting him to not resell

15:03:53 ben_vulpes: you just hold a hard line

15:03:56 ben_vulpes: "first to the gate"

15:04:10 jurov: could be fun, i agree

15:04:14 ben_vulpes: keys -> accountability

15:06:11 jurov: ikr. but some setups have bigger mess potential, other ones less

15:06:25 jurov: and the benefit isn't so big

15:07:59 Vexual: quit your crying you havent fucked up yet

15:08:36 jurov: lol.. should I? to learn faster?

15:08:51 mats_cd03: yes

15:09:02 Vexual: hell n, do what your doind, no discounts

15:10:08 nubbins`: https://www.facebook.com/jared.cxzy

15:10:17 nubbins`: 90% sure that's goat

15:10:30 mircea_popescu: lol another dude named jared ?

15:10:43 Vexual: whaddayyou fuckin high nubbins, whadda you care?

15:11:52 nubbins`: sorry, 100% sure

15:11:59 Vexual: its him

15:12:05 nubbins`: Vexual actually sober, caffeine aside

15:12:25 Vexual: i wouldnannah said it otherwise

15:12:51 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/FBIomJR

15:12:51 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

15:14:32 mircea_popescu: dude looks like a bag of dicks

15:14:40 nubbins`: woah, he actually has a kid hey?

15:14:44 *: Vexual muttleys

15:15:04 nubbins`: hey now

15:15:49 nubbins`: ah heh, this one was his avatar on the forums for a while

15:15:50 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/trZG4xZ

15:15:50 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

15:16:25 Vexual: everything is so proud

15:17:01 Vexual: hes got like 12 million domarions and a shotgun too

15:17:17 Vexual: *spotty dogs

15:17:33 mircea_popescu: nubbins` the miracle of professional photography eh ?

15:17:52 nubbins`: no kidding

15:18:08 ben_vulpes: that hair

15:18:09 mats_cd03: nubbins`: dat goat?

15:18:14 nubbins`: yeah

15:18:17 mats_cd03: kek

15:19:10 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: i should change my name to gben vulpes <<< maybe gben vulpes-fuckin

15:20:41 Vexual: i prefer benkay

15:22:30 mircea_popescu: http://djrankings.org/tpls/dj/images/djs/BEN_VULPES.jpg << ahahaha WAT

15:26:44 Vexual: k is the ninth letter bit i call him ben10

15:28:46 Vexual: vuples the mexican is good too

15:30:09 nubbins`: mp inorite

15:31:10 nubbins`: http://www.runstop.de/streetparty22.jpg

15:31:15 nubbins`: ^ this man shares my name

15:32:16 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf0Dm-OaTNk

15:35:35 Vexual: bacon? eggs?

15:36:50 xinxi: Vexual - it’s must be quite late in au now.

15:37:10 Vexual: yes my dentis appointment

15:37:17 Vexual: 2:30

15:37:40 nubbins`: am?!

15:37:47 nubbins`: does your dentist also sleep upside-down?

15:37:54 Vexual: must be quite late in bejing also

15:38:19 nubbins`: where can i buy gallons of speedball silver acrylic?

15:38:22 Vexual: yes, he works nights

15:38:42 Vexual: silver acyrilis?

15:40:13 TomServo: http://cryptome.org/2014/10/schneier-censored.htm

15:40:26 TomServo: "I talked with the Guardian editors about publishing the manual. In the end, we decided not to, because the information in it wasn't useful to understanding the story."

15:40:33 TomServo: Fuck you, Bruce.

15:44:05 Vexual: easy tiger

15:44:51 bounce: because the only thing that matters is the story?

15:45:49 xinxi: It’s 11:45pm in Singapore.

15:46:26 xinxi: I live in SG.

15:46:49 nubbins`: 1:15pm here in god's country

15:47:03 Vexual: longitudes a funny thing in this world

15:47:36 bounce: because youse blest and the rest of the world's pinko commie furriners nohow

15:48:04 Vexual: i suppose your adressing nubbins`

15:48:34 nubbins`: bounce pretty much

15:48:35 mats_cd03: newfoundland?

15:48:40 nubbins`: mats_cd03 yep

15:48:42 nubbins`: 709 represent

15:48:52 mats_cd03: i'm sorry

15:49:34 nubbins`: blow it out your ass

15:50:05 mats_cd03: huk

15:50:21 Vexual: nice to meet you xinxi, goodevening all

15:50:26 nubbins`: peace

15:50:37 xinxi: nice to meet you too.

15:50:48 nubbins`: vexual using tor

15:50:53 nubbins`: imagine

15:54:25 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY3_s1-yhWQ

15:54:26 assbot: Waterman & Milley - For Ted When He Dies - YouTube

15:55:58 BingoBoingo: woke up to this solicitation http://dpaste.com/33C9NER

15:55:58 assbot: dpaste: 33C9NER

15:59:08 nubbins`: BingoBoingo, what an opportunity

15:59:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.16106012 BTC to 16`164 shares, 7183 satoshi per share

16:00:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 5.30186800 BTC to 171`028 shares, 3100 satoshi per share

16:01:44 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, did you redirect him to coindesk ?

16:02:17 nubbins`: october, the OFFICIAL breast cancer awareness month

16:02:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 5.81893928 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 506 satoshi per share

16:03:02 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Just did

16:05:09 nubbins`: heh

16:05:16 nubbins`: coindesk: we swear it's a news site

16:07:20 xinxi: I am very happy to see that there is some liquidity in my site now. If you need a fair market to trade bitcoin options, you can come. https://coinut.com

16:10:09 Apocalyptic: xinxi, is there a way to view the orderbook without being logged in ?

16:10:51 xinxi: sorry, currently no. there are many expiry dates and a few assets. it’s going to be a lot data.

16:11:41 Apocalyptic: I don't see the relevance regarding who do you display this to

16:12:22 xinxi: Oh, as some people trade options here, and since MPOE is down. I guess some of you may need it.

16:14:57 kakobrekla: xinxi in the faq, the first question is 'who are you' which is encouraging, but the answer is written for 'what is this'

16:16:51 jurov: ;;rate xinxi 1 b-a voice, coinut.com - we'll see how it goes

16:16:51 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

16:17:09 jurov: xinxi you aren't registered?

16:17:14 xinxi: wangxinxi

16:17:25 jurov: ;;rate wangxinxi 1 b-a voice, coinut.com - we'll see how it goes

16:17:26 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wangxinxi has been recorded.

16:17:31 xinxi: Thank you!

16:17:48 xinxi: sorry, where is the FAQ? I cannot find from the bitcoin-assets.com

16:18:14 jurov: go to wiki

16:18:16 kakobrekla: here: https://coinut.com/faq

16:18:48 xinxi: I see. I guess you need this: https://coinut.com/about

16:18:57 jurov: !up mechtronic2001

16:19:14 ben_vulpes: sweet my personal gmail's down

16:19:16 xinxi: Thanks for pointing out. I thought that people are more interested in what we do.

16:19:30 Apocalyptic: xinxi, did you code the page yourself ?

16:19:43 xinxi: yeah, I coded every line.

16:19:51 ben_vulpes: xinxi: gpg key on about page mebber

16:19:56 Apocalyptic: what do you use "<input name="wtd" id="wtd" type="hidden" value="FO99eyNNpUDpIlgY">" for ?

16:20:07 kakobrekla: csrf?

16:20:18 xinxi: it’s for session tracking.

16:20:37 xinxi: if the user does not support cookie, the site will still work.

16:21:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11703 @ 0.00073435 = 8.5941 BTC [+] {2}

16:24:27 xinxi: ben_vulpes - you mean I should put my gpg key on my about page?

16:25:55 xinxi: kakobrekla - csrf is impossible.

16:26:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21169 @ 0.00073787 = 15.62 BTC [+] {2}

16:26:10 xinxi: the session id cannot be used to login.

16:26:45 assbot: PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

16:27:02 BingoBoingo: !up PinkPosixPXE

16:27:02 kakobrekla: !up PinkPosixPXE

16:27:05 kakobrekla: lel

16:27:11 kakobrekla: !down PinkPosixPXE

16:27:22 kakobrekla: no free voices.

16:27:33 kakobrekla: !up PinkPosixPXE

16:27:40 PinkPosixPXE: thank you

16:27:54 kakobrekla: return one to bb.

16:28:03 BingoBoingo: plz thnx

16:28:18 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/vietnam-prosecutors-reject-charging-bitcoin-traders/

16:28:19 assbot: Vietnam: Prosecutors Reject Charging Bitcoin Traders | Qntra.net

16:28:31 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/vietnam-prosecutors-reject-charging-bitcoin-traders/

16:31:48 Apocalyptic: https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20141015.txt

16:31:55 Apocalyptic: today it's openssl

16:32:10 nubbins`: anyone able to link good articles about GPG contracts? (aside from the one on fraudsters)

16:33:31 xinxi: ubuntu stil has no update.

16:34:01 Apocalyptic: neither has debian

16:35:01 kakobrekla: fuck you im installing windows

16:35:28 kakobrekla: xp

16:35:50 BingoBoingo: ME

16:36:07 Apocalyptic: heh kako, at least move to ms-dos then

16:36:37 BingoBoingo: MS Xenix

16:36:58 danielpbarron: nubbins`, everyone's too busy reinventing the wheel to take the time to describe the one already in use

16:37:34 Apocalyptic: danielpbarron, it's not only that, they are trying to reinvent a better wheel, because they know better

16:38:32 danielpbarron: a smart-wheel that spins itself based on distributed consensus

16:39:23 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: You considered producing any text for qntra yet?

16:39:55 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, i would like to in the future, but i don't have time for it in autumn

16:40:36 danielpbarron: i can barely keep up with -assets

16:40:45 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Ah, just remember it is an option if you find a bit a spare time and a thing not covered

16:41:15 danielpbarron: i have free time for most of the year, just not for these few months

16:41:23 BingoBoingo: Happens

16:42:13 danielpbarron: and of cousre autumn is when all the interesting things in bitcoin happen :/

16:44:14 danielpbarron: i really like the idea of working for shares

16:44:51 BingoBoingo: Fall is indeed the season for drama

16:45:22 ben_vulpes: drama mode

16:47:19 nubbins`: heh

16:47:40 nubbins`: i might do a practical writeup on gpg contracts

16:47:49 nubbins`: background theory + nuts and bolts + examples

16:55:14 xiando: mister Draper is moving his coins. https://blockchain.info/address/16cTyJLWbXQz3UZ3sYjy6A6VGX4sAqiEo1

16:55:14 assbot: Bitcoin Address 16cTyJLWbXQz3UZ3sYjy6A6VGX4sAqiEo1

16:57:00 fluffypony: https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/522353752997892096


16:57:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8340 @ 0.00073545 = 6.1337 BTC [-]

16:59:31 asciilifeform: Bruce Schneier Censored by Snowden Censors << wat. backwards headline. s is one of the central snowden censors, afaik.

17:00:14 BingoBoingo: Tensor Tensor!

17:01:09 asciilifeform: 'tenser, said the tensor, tenser, said the tensor. tension, apprehension, and dissension have begun.'

17:03:00 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1HFC81Z.txt )

17:03:00 BingoBoingo: !b 3

17:03:08 ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/504940449157906432


17:03:26 BingoBoingo: !up jborkl

17:03:48 jborkl: hello

17:03:50 ben_vulpes: lady: "maybe you should take a nap before our dinner party"

17:03:54 BingoBoingo: realzies: http://qntra.net/2014/10/vietnam-prosecutors-reject-charging-bitcoin-traders/ << Interesting to see the Prosecutors recognize of tool of great use in their personal business

17:03:55 assbot: Vietnam: Prosecutors Reject Charging Bitcoin Traders | Qntra.net

17:03:58 BingoBoingo: Hello jborkl

17:04:07 ben_vulpes: me: "yeah, taking care of myself would be a good idea. i'll let you know if i get around to it!"

17:04:25 ben_vulpes: jborkl wants qntra shares

17:04:46 BingoBoingo: Well, write?

17:05:04 bounce: gotta rite rite, rite?

17:05:26 BingoBoingo: Well find something and then make it news'd

17:07:59 thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> http://djrankings.org/tpls/dj/images/djs/BEN_VULPES.jpg ///thats not our ben

17:08:29 thickasthieves: i tell ya, it aint easy buying a nice computer chair

17:08:41 thickasthieves: i got turned away at the herman miller place

17:08:55 ben_vulpes: www.introducingcarrot.com

17:08:58 thickasthieves: theyre just too busy for my business today

17:09:20 thickasthieves: Staples wouldnt sell me their last best chair either

17:09:31 thickasthieves: "we can order it"

17:09:34 thickasthieves: yeah fuck you

17:09:42 ben_vulpes: don't buy things in meatspace

17:09:45 ben_vulpes: just order from amazon

17:09:54 thickasthieves: no herman miller on there

17:10:05 ben_vulpes: middleman is getting squozed out of existince in this qntry

17:10:59 thickasthieves: i guess i could order one direct without trying it... seems foolish

17:12:36 ben_vulpes: or sit in thing

17:12:38 ben_vulpes: then order

17:12:42 ben_vulpes: SO MANY OPTIONS

17:14:04 BingoBoingo: Remember those couple years when Intel was out of the CPU speed competition http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/03/10/15/1251233/pc-world-apple-g5-gets-trounced-by-athlon-64?sbsrc=thisday

17:14:06 assbot: PC World: Apple G5 Gets Trounced By Athlon 64 - Slashdot

17:14:47 thickasthieves: fwiw, the first words on the dealer website: "Welcome to Workscapes. Workscapes is a woman owned business."

17:15:04 thickasthieves: they also dont know how to use hyphens

17:16:20 nubbins`: do not buy a chair without sitting in it

17:16:44 nubbins`: hit up one of the local office furnishing places, fuck staples

17:16:52 BingoBoingo: %d

17:16:53 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 323749.02 in 152 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.76

17:16:56 ben_vulpes: clearly those people don't understand business

17:17:01 ben_vulpes: it's a business owned woman

17:18:36 BingoBoingo: I'm probably going to have to replace the fan it the laptop again. This time I'll probably buy 5 or so

17:18:40 BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard

17:18:51 mircea_popescu: <TomServo> "I talked with the Guardian editors about publishing the manual. In the end, we decided not to, because the information in it wasn't useful to understanding the story." << lel

17:18:55 mircea_popescu: !up mpmcsweeney

17:19:22 mpmcsweeney: danke

17:20:17 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jc1d6/screw_you_guys/

17:20:18 assbot: Screw you guys. : Bitcoin

17:21:17 mircea_popescu: ;;rate mpmcsweeney 1 Stan Higgins

17:21:17 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

17:21:26 mircea_popescu: d;oh.

17:21:33 mircea_popescu: how about you get with the times ?

17:22:18 mpmcsweeney: haha I still use an iphone 2 :)

17:22:36 mpmcsweeney: well, "use" is a strong word

17:22:37 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: vexual using tor. imagine << it's easy, he just went over to the tor ip and proceeded to push keys until he was let in.

17:22:47 thickasthieves: other than robocoin's shitty numbers, i dont think this while consumer ripoff report is all that convincing anyway

17:23:04 thickasthieves: whole*

17:23:25 thickasthieves: some customers are just assholes sometimes

17:23:55 BingoBoingo: I'm trying to hunt for new and "expensive thing was expensive" keeps introducing noise today.

17:23:56 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: october, the OFFICIAL breast cancer awareness month << i think in some us states it's illegal to get breast cancer out of wedlock, or on any other month.

17:24:02 thickasthieves: heh they do have hm chairs on amazone whaddaya know

17:24:58 nubbins`: thickasthieves TBF the robocoin replies were brutal

17:26:01 thickasthieves: yeha i'm not defending them so much as leaving the door open to both parties being asses

17:26:22 nubbins`: "I want to first acknowledge that as with all bitcoin companies, we are working extremely hard, drinking from a fire hose and solving problems, stabilizing the platform AND continuing to improve every day."

17:26:29 nubbins`: srsly though

17:26:30 thickasthieves: i know what it's like to have a vindictive customer turn a small problem into a worse one

17:26:35 mircea_popescu: "This issue affects OpenSSL

17:26:35 mircea_popescu: 1.0.1 server implementations for both SSL/TLS and DTLS regardless of

17:26:35 mircea_popescu: whether SRTP is used or configured."

17:26:35 mircea_popescu: herp

17:27:07 nubbins`: "i want to acknowledge that as with all bitcoin companies, we're a bunch of fuckups who took on more than we could handle and now we need pitchforks to shovel all our excuses"

17:27:29 mircea_popescu: "This issue was reported to OpenSSL on 26th September 2014, based on an original issue and patch developed by the LibreSSL project. Further analysis of the issue was performed by the OpenSSL team. The fix was developed by the OpenSSL team." << gotta love the seething anger.

17:27:35 mpmcsweeney: the part where he pretty much implies that they cant refund the customer until they sell the unit, thats no good

17:27:49 mircea_popescu: nubbins` no, saying that would be truthful and "unprofessional"

17:28:01 xinxi: nubbins`: - what do you do ?

17:28:01 mircea_popescu: it'd allow them to grow the fuck up, which is verboten in openssl bruceworld.

17:28:29 nubbins`: xinxi in here, i mostly just modify the S/N ratio. in meatspace, i print things

17:28:38 thickasthieves: mpmcsweeney - customer did agree to a no refund policy

17:28:50 xinxi: i mean your company.

17:28:57 nubbins`: thickasthieves in the guy's defence, he waited six months before his emails even started to turn snippy

17:29:03 nubbins`: xinxi: we print things :D

17:29:06 mircea_popescu: OpenSSL 0.9.8 users should upgrade to 0.9.8zc. << best fucking part. what do they do when run out of minor versions ? use a letter. and when you run out of the 27 motherfucking letters ?

17:29:09 mircea_popescu: use another one.

17:29:15 mpmcsweeney: for sure - just pointing that element out, its a sticky situation nonetheless

17:29:22 nubbins`: xinxi: the text i quoted earlier was from Robocoin

17:29:28 mircea_popescu: soon it'll be "users are advised to upgrade to openssl 0.9.8obamakilledthejews"

17:29:53 thickasthieves: they should just use satoshis

17:29:59 thickasthieves: fuck teh decimal

17:30:01 kakobrekla: nah it will be 0.9.8zzzzzzzzzz

17:30:03 mircea_popescu: they can't use satoshis

17:30:07 mircea_popescu: because nobody knows where satoshi is

17:30:17 nubbins`: anyway

17:30:17 thickasthieves: goat is satoshi i though

17:30:17 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/YLpn8uw

17:30:17 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

17:30:19 xinxi: Oh, robocoin luanched in Singapore.

17:30:20 thickasthieves: t

17:30:21 nubbins`: my sides &c

17:30:31 thickasthieves: lol

17:30:35 thickasthieves: he looks like mega douche

17:30:38 nubbins`: thickasthieves you ever read something goat wrote?

17:30:41 mircea_popescu: nubbins` : in castellan, your sides are called matambres

17:30:44 nubbins`: definitely not satoshi

17:30:46 mircea_popescu: just thought you'd like to know.

17:30:49 thickasthieves: ive read too much of goat

17:30:50 nubbins`: MATAMBRES!

17:30:59 nubbins`: ENTIENDO CASTELLANO!

17:31:00 xinxi: god, I should have known it a few months ealier.

17:31:08 mircea_popescu: muy bien!

17:31:14 nubbins`: srsly, they call it castellano in .ar?

17:31:19 mircea_popescu: jesus who;'s that vocational school reject in the pic ?

17:31:24 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yup. most of south america.

17:31:26 nubbins`: same in .pe

17:31:43 nubbins`: colombians i think are an exception

17:31:50 thickasthieves: basically goat only knows how to say "i am awesome, i make lotsa coins, think of me as a financial beast plz!", but in 5000 different ways

17:31:57 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: nubbins`, everyone's too busy reinventing the wheel to take the time to describe the one already in use << this guy is veering into prophetic.

17:32:08 nubbins`: heh +1

17:32:22 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves kinda what makes me think of him as a whore.

17:32:28 nubbins`: your writeup is great for the theory side, i'd like to marry it with something technical

17:32:36 mircea_popescu: pretty much the only group where giving the impression is actually the substance of the profession.

17:32:55 mircea_popescu: nubbins` not a bad idea, have at.

17:32:56 bounce: that'd be geishas

17:33:00 nubbins`: man shaves sides of heat, decides to wear a suit and tie anyway

17:33:07 mircea_popescu: i recall pete and maybe ben fox both did something

17:33:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6357 @ 0.00073545 = 4.6753 BTC [-]

17:33:22 bounce: or pole dancers or any old performers

17:33:29 nubbins`: i have vague memories of both as well

17:34:05 nubbins`: !up devthedev

17:34:10 nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot devthedev

17:34:10 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user devthedev: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=devthedev | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=devthedev | Rated since: Tue Jul 15 12:31:42 2014

17:34:13 nubbins`: wat?

17:34:15 nubbins`: ;;down devthedev

17:34:16 gribble: Error: "down" is not a valid command.

17:34:21 nubbins`: !down devthedev

17:34:23 nubbins`: up yourself

17:34:36 nubbins`: :/

17:34:40 mircea_popescu: !drown the dev

17:35:19 nubbins`: !up devthedev

17:35:21 mircea_popescu: !up devthedev

17:35:24 nubbins`: you owe me like 5 satoshi for this

17:35:34 devthedev: Heh

17:36:25 devthedev: I still can't access Qntra from over here for some reason.

17:36:39 nubbins`: gpg keys in safety deposit box (obfuscated or not): pros/cons?

17:36:50 asciilifeform: nubbins`: read the treasure thread

17:37:16 *: nubbins` raises eyebrow

17:37:19 BingoBoingo: !s safe deposit box

17:37:20 assbot: 11 results for 'safe deposit box' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=safe+deposit+box

17:37:20 mircea_popescu: you get all the advantages of marking it as valuable with none of the downside of accessibility or deniability.

17:37:57 bounce: sounds like win-win all around

17:38:06 mircea_popescu: all you need is sarcasm.

17:38:08 nubbins`: heh

17:38:11 nubbins`: not bad, not bad

17:38:25 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816372

17:38:27 assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 16:11:44; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: 'coinbase insurance' post - little story. recently i had occasion to rent a box at a bank (storage of various paperwork for firm.) the contract was a hilarious read. bank only insures a box for up to 25k usd. and specifically excludes damage from robbery, fire, water... virtually anything.

17:38:41 nubbins`: excludes damage from robbery!

17:38:42 asciilifeform: and further down, a few 100 lines.

17:39:04 nubbins`: actually a couple visits ago, they lost the sign-in sheet for my box

17:39:11 nubbins`: "i guess we'll just start a new one"

17:39:23 nubbins`: "actually, i guess i'll have a seat while you find the fucking sheet"

17:39:51 bounce: and on top of that, they'll let any old law enforcement take a look-see but should you die, may or may not let your executor in

17:41:14 asciilifeform: the fiat bank, as at this point even a child knows, is what we in usaschwitz call a 'faith-based institution'

17:41:35 nubbins`: so, TLDR, great for a backup copy of your homeowner's insurance policy but not much else

17:41:40 asciilifeform: the chumpers line up to get boxes, etc. not out of legally-enforceable promise of correct function, but - from faith.

17:41:43 asciilifeform: it's a temple.

17:41:47 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: a smart-wheel that spins itself based on distributed consensus << i dunno if you know or not, but this actually is a historical thing, proposed by Villard de Honnecourt. http://history-computer.com/Dreamers/VillarddeHonnecourt.html

17:41:47 assbot: History of Computers and Computing, Automata, The Automata of Villard de Honnecourt

17:41:56 devthedev: I'm slightly worried about the Qntra shares. If the amount of S.QNTR shares double monthly wouldn't the revenue have to double as well to keep up with the inflation?

17:42:31 nubbins`: hmm

17:42:44 mircea_popescu: devthedev in theory, a newsite's ability to earn should be a function of the content it holds.

17:42:45 nubbins`: i'm picturing a repurposed bank vault with gpg access control

17:43:01 nubbins`: i guess i'm actually imagining it, because the nebulous thing in my head right now isn't really a picture

17:43:17 *: bounce gets the $5 wrench

17:43:19 asciilifeform: nubbins`: that's called - vault with rectothermal (or, hammer drill...) access control.

17:43:48 asciilifeform: the weakest link in the system is the automatically the value of x in 'x access-controlled.'

17:43:59 mircea_popescu: bounce> and on top of that, they'll let any old law enforcement take a look-see but should you die, may or may not let your executor in << if they do you can sue, and they will settle.

17:44:03 mircea_popescu: easy way to pay a mortgage.

17:44:27 mircea_popescu: just make sure to name the branch manager and the clerk in the suit.

17:44:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: according to the box contract in all extant u.s. banks, they can simply 'lose' the contents, and max liability is a joke number

17:44:51 asciilifeform: (5 figures)

17:45:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heres' the funny thing : yes, they can lose the content

17:45:07 mircea_popescu: no, they may not lose the paperwork

17:45:10 mircea_popescu: see the beauty of it all ?

17:45:46 asciilifeform: so the paperwork will state, box sat in good order until such-a-date when god disintegrated it with death ray

17:46:00 asciilifeform: why would they need to 'lose' paperwork.

17:46:18 mircea_popescu: that's why you name the people in question. see if they're willing to lie for the bank or not.

17:46:25 mircea_popescu: gotta help the enemy breed loyalty after all.

17:46:49 asciilifeform: the particular contract i saw specifically waived the right to sue anybody for anything.

17:46:58 mpmcsweeney: all hail our banking overlords

17:47:03 asciilifeform: and these have held up in court, too

17:47:07 asciilifeform: ;;google binding arbitration

17:47:08 gribble: Binding arbitration legal definition of Binding arbitration: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Binding+arbitration; Arbitration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration; Arbitration Basics | Nolo.com: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/arbitration-basics-29947.html

17:47:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform umm well you need a better contract then

17:47:39 asciilifeform: from bank of mars, yes

17:47:47 mircea_popescu: maybe im behind the times, this was a 2000s event

17:47:53 asciilifeform: definitely behind.

17:48:13 mircea_popescu: o the arbitration thing

17:48:14 mircea_popescu: heh

17:48:32 mircea_popescu: "gotta have 'magistrate' judges and 'arbiters' and anything and everyting as long as it';s not a judge"

17:48:35 mircea_popescu: gotta love these people.

17:49:06 bounce: that should end up a contract with lots of sections elided

17:49:35 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: lady: "maybe you should take a nap before our dinner party" << translation "fuck me!"

17:49:40 asciilifeform: 'arbitration' in usa is a term where the folks who fuck you over with the contract specify that you agreed to use tame judges, of their choosing (who are not in fact judges of the crown) in any dispute.

17:50:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't recall ever signing a contract iwth arbitration clauses.

17:50:14 asciilifeform: bounce: feel free to try this. the flunkie will show you the door.

17:50:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these are SOP today, for things as mundane as telephone service.

17:50:38 mircea_popescu: and in a dispute with the romanian immigration service five years ago or so, they brought this objeciton in court, specifically, that i can't sue them before i do arbitration

17:50:49 mircea_popescu: and i said that either they drop it or i sue them and overturn THAT idiocy too

17:50:51 mircea_popescu: and so they dropped it.

17:51:32 mircea_popescu: so in the end i only overturned the dumbass "regulation" they had invented in the first place.

17:51:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one can theoretically try this in usa, but it will cost $maxint. and at the end of the day can end up 'having problems.'

17:52:11 mircea_popescu: yes but what else is a life for, i ask you,

17:52:13 mircea_popescu: other than problems.

17:52:28 mircea_popescu: only thing i ever heard an excited mathematician say was

17:52:31 asciilifeform: well normally the 'problems' generator is used very sparingly, because most folks lack $maxint

17:52:32 mircea_popescu: "this is an interesting problem!"

17:52:34 nubbins`: ^

17:52:38 asciilifeform: or even $65535.

17:52:43 nubbins`: interesting problems with elegant solutions

17:53:06 nubbins`: i had a prof get overcome once when a student presented a surprisingly succinct proof in ring theory

17:53:09 nubbins`: what a fucking nerd ;/

17:53:12 mircea_popescu: lol

17:53:30 asciilifeform: in fact, i know many folks with less than 9 bits of usd at any given moment.

17:53:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 38 @ 0.09873684 = 3.752 BTC [-] {9}

17:54:18 nubbins`: uh, $512?

17:54:27 asciilifeform: aye

17:54:40 nubbins`: we talking in-hand or total life's possessions?

17:54:50 asciilifeform: both, either.

17:54:59 nubbins`: i suppose i do, too

17:55:02 bounce: in-hand can be higher while total worth is considerably less.

17:55:04 mircea_popescu: well sure, plenty of people in their 30s are underwater

17:55:16 asciilifeform: majority, i think

17:55:28 nubbins`: ^

17:55:33 nubbins`: anyone with a mortgage, essentially

17:55:40 mircea_popescu: no, because 100mn europeans and 80mn usians are a tiny sliver of a 600mn population in their 30s

17:55:49 mircea_popescu: and in most of the world, 30s is the peak age.

17:56:06 nubbins`: sierra leone, you only got 5 years left at 30

17:56:12 asciilifeform: and the ones not underwater - are one wave away from being under

17:56:26 asciilifeform: one car wreck, disease, bad gamble of whatever kind, etc

17:56:44 mircea_popescu: nubbins` as i was explaining to gabriel_laddel coupla days ago, averages are slippery. in sierra leone it's 35 because a bunch of retarded infants die young.

17:56:53 mircea_popescu: if this happened in the us, too, it'd be a much better place to be.,

17:57:00 asciilifeform: ussr did not calculate life expectancy using the retard formula

17:57:09 asciilifeform: if you never lived, you're not part of the equation.

17:57:16 nubbins`: oh, hm. infant mortality. that's a valid point

17:57:24 nubbins`: retrospectively obvious, as well D;

17:57:27 mircea_popescu: averages are really only to be used by qualified people.

17:57:34 asciilifeform: in fact, life expectancy as scalar is retarded.

17:57:36 mircea_popescu: they're the numeric equivalent of nitric acid

17:57:50 asciilifeform: i'm not particularly interested in the chances of having died while 5

17:57:53 asciilifeform: because, well, didn't.

17:58:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform statistics is perhaps the hardest thing for the monkey brain to grok

17:58:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00073658 = 15.0999 BTC [+]

17:58:46 mircea_popescu: harder than crypto, tho the fonts of difficulty be well related

17:59:07 nubbins`: wow, actually 56.55 years at birth, sez here

17:59:08 asciilifeform: this is why the machine guns will eventually be taken away from the monkeys.

18:00:11 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform statistics is perhaps the hardest thing for the monkey brain to grok << +1

18:00:43 mircea_popescu: incidentally, one of the major pillars of the fallacious theory of "progress" is exactly this. back in 1700, a bunch of retarded kids that should never have lived died before being 21.

18:00:56 jurov: asciilifeform was there a "damage from incorrect date calculation", like in my household insurance?

18:00:58 mircea_popescu: the current day progressive averages all that out and comes up with o wow, "life expectancy has doubled"!!!1

18:01:09 mircea_popescu: in fact, expectancy of quality of life has more than halved

18:01:17 asciilifeform: jurov: nah, i think the y2k crap has all been snipped out by now

18:01:22 mircea_popescu: whereas actual life duration expectancy hasn't much changed. except if you're a retard.

18:01:27 mircea_popescu: which change is both immoral and unwelcome

18:03:17 mircea_popescu: otherwise, seneca lived 94 years just as well as buffett or w/e

18:04:24 asciilifeform: not 'just as well.' immeasurably better

18:04:37 asciilifeform: in what company, think.

18:04:47 mircea_popescu: right.

18:04:49 asciilifeform: and probably could not even imagine synthetic food, etc.

18:04:55 mircea_popescu: because all the seo experts of his time were dogfood by age 6

18:05:55 asciilifeform: actually, the dogfood mechanism being selective for born seo experts is not a necessary hypothesis

18:05:59 asciilifeform: (valid. but not necessary)

18:06:08 mircea_popescu: sure.

18:06:16 asciilifeform: where we are now is just as easily explained by crowded world.

18:06:26 mircea_popescu: how did it get to be crowded ?

18:06:27 asciilifeform: in which otherwise functional humans can end up seo experts, also.

18:06:34 asciilifeform: how did << in precisely this way, yes

18:06:39 mircea_popescu: so then.

18:06:40 asciilifeform: how else.

18:07:32 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/the-register-man-hunts-insufficiently-random-nonces-blockchain-info-wallets-vulnerable/

18:08:01 mircea_popescu: easy enough fix, just bring back the mp education system. examine the kids aged 7, 11, 15 and 19. kill a tenth each time.

18:08:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20421 @ 0.000739 = 15.0911 BTC [+] {2}

18:09:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22102 @ 0.00073944 = 16.3431 BTC [+] {2}

18:10:47 BingoBoingo: !up jacoblyles

18:12:21 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: it's a business owned woman << i think stating that is a top taboo in teh us.

18:12:36 mircea_popescu: like saying you enjoy the feel of 17yo pussy giving way or something

18:12:49 mircea_popescu: womenz can not be owned!!1

18:13:05 mircea_popescu: do not even joke about it, it's too soon etc.

18:13:47 mircea_popescu: "Of note is the 3.2GHz Pentium 4, coming in competitive with the G5, but significantly behind the Opteron and Athlon 64 systems."" << i wonder if these two share tech.

18:14:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: amd hired away most of the original dec alpha team. but not all.

18:14:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i meant intel and apple.

18:14:37 mircea_popescu: they

18:14:40 mircea_popescu: 're both

18:14:40 mircea_popescu: <penguirker> New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/the-register-man-hunts-insufficiently-random-nonce

18:14:41 assbot: The Register: Man Hunts Insufficiently Random Nonces, Blockchain.info Wallets Vulnerable | Qntra.net

18:14:42 mircea_popescu: oops

18:15:37 asciilifeform: apple could not manufacture its current x86 product line without access to at least a good subset of intel's 'real dirt', no.

18:16:30 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cazalla http://pastebin.com/8QQRp1wH trololo

18:16:31 assbot: [Wed Oct 15 13:45:20 2014] [error] [client] client denied by serv - Pastebin.com

18:16:39 mircea_popescu: !up TheBroker

18:16:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're both dogs of the same sled so to speak

18:17:09 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo cazalla http://pastebin.com/8QQRp1wH trololo < rolfcopter

18:17:09 assbot: [Wed Oct 15 13:45:20 2014] [error] [client] client denied by serv - Pastebin.com

18:17:24 asciilifeform: apple was kept alive to play 'good cop' to microshit in the '90s, yes.

18:18:21 thickasthieves: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2014/10/15/stocks-wednesday/17292363/

18:18:21 assbot: Market indexes dive, erasing 2014's gains

18:18:34 asciilifeform: in other news, 'cryptome' appears to be under heavy ddos.

18:18:53 asciilifeform: somebody really doesn't like the schneier piece? or was it the crown jewels catalogue circa '03?

18:19:02 bounce: it's a ploy to get people to buy more cryptome dvds, I'm telling you

18:19:13 Apocalyptic: thickasthieves, the picture is priceless

18:19:37 asciilifeform: speaking of apple -- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/09/apples_kills_super_mario_and_zelda_and_sonic_bastards

18:19:38 assbot: Apple KILLS SUPER MARIO. And Zelda. And Sonic The Register

18:19:50 thickasthieves: traders look like astronauts

18:19:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00073658 = 16.3152 BTC [-]

18:20:39 asciilifeform: incidentally, the apple emulator ban is an instance of a much larger and more interesting phenomenon.

18:20:51 asciilifeform: same reason hollywood famously let old movies rot in vaults

18:21:03 asciilifeform: the shitmongers are not interested in competing with their grandfathers.

18:21:35 asciilifeform: they would much like to magic away the past. year zero.

18:21:58 TomServo: of course, not when you can 're-imagine' and resell the same POS.

18:22:02 mircea_popescu: ^

18:22:11 mircea_popescu: "reimagine" heh.

18:22:13 asciilifeform: (and, occasionally, lift old wine and sell in new bottle, when no 'up and coming' retard needs to be merit-washed at a given moment)

18:22:21 mircea_popescu: the one thing any entertainer in the world would pay for, would be a memory zap device.

18:22:25 bounce: "who is the zombie now, mister moviegoing fan?"

18:22:32 mircea_popescu: that way he could APPEAR to get better and better to his audience

18:22:48 mats_cd03: Market indexes dive, erasing 2014's gains << good thing i only have to worry about BTC taking a dive

18:22:51 asciilifeform: ;;google melancholy elephants

18:22:52 gribble: Spider Robinson: Melancholy Elephants: http://www.spiderrobinson.com/melancholyelephants.html; Melancholy Elephants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melancholy_Elephants; Melancholy Elephants: Spider Robinson: 9780812552317: Amazon ...: http://www.amazon.com/Melancholy-Elephants-Spider-Robinson/dp/0812552318

18:23:06 mircea_popescu: 15961.05 -354.14 (-2.17%)

18:23:09 mircea_popescu: gotta say, chetty called it.

18:24:10 mircea_popescu: hey ! mr usg man, play a song for me

18:24:17 mircea_popescu: i'm not sleepy and there is no place i'm going to

18:24:25 asciilifeform: lol!

18:24:27 mircea_popescu: hey! mr usg man, play a song for me

18:24:43 mircea_popescu: all about how bitcoin's going down and your crock of shit will survive in blank rhyme

18:25:27 mircea_popescu: annnnnnd next time, before thinking about fucking with the bull, think about the horns.

18:26:24 TomServo: Oh, you thought you were milking the cow? We don't have a cow.

18:26:27 *: TomServo steals.

18:26:44 mircea_popescu: lol

18:27:06 mircea_popescu: i think ima submit my first qntra article. this should be fun.

18:28:54 TomServo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtSazFb5qM

18:28:54 assbot: Kingpin--cow milk - YouTube

18:29:05 TomServo: Credit where credit is due. Carry on.

18:33:34 thickasthieves: uh oh mp is gonna print shares

18:33:51 mats_cd03: where do i lay suit?

18:34:12 thickasthieves: this share method is bound to prop up more problems

18:34:20 thickasthieves: i mean i like the idea n all

18:34:30 kakobrekla: !up belcher

18:34:32 thickasthieves: but i suspect there's a reason it aint done this way

18:42:08 mircea_popescu: cazalla http://pastebin.com/q8B0VvBu << for your consideration.

18:42:08 assbot: Title: After defeating it in the Bitcoin market, La Serenissima bleeds the USG a - Pastebin.com

18:48:51 asciilifeform: 'The exhibitor, Professor Faber, was a sad-faced man, dressed in respectable well-worn clothes that were soiled by contact with tools, wood, and machinery. The room looked like a laboratory and workshop, which is was. The Professor was not too clean, and his hair and beard sadly wanted the attention of a barber. I had no doubt that he slept in the same room as the figure?his scientific Frankenstein monster?a

18:48:51 asciilifeform: nd I felt the secret influence of an idea that the two were destined to live and die together.'

18:48:56 thickasthieves: mp, qntra being a news site, shouldnt you include some sources for your USG accusations?

18:48:57 asciilifeform: ( http://history-computer.com/Dreamers/Faber.html )

18:48:57 assbot: History of Computers and Computing, Automata, Joseph Faber

18:49:06 thickasthieves: or is qntra to be like zerohedge

18:52:43 mircea_popescu: i dunno thickasthieves, let the editor figure it out neh ?

18:52:49 mircea_popescu: !up khersonu1

18:53:12 mircea_popescu: it's definitely not going to be a sort of citation-needed retardopedia, for that end of things

18:54:04 thickasthieves: word, jusayin

18:56:19 mircea_popescu: aww shit, it bottomed out too ?

18:56:20 mike_c: seems stylistically like a piece for the opinion page.

18:56:35 thickasthieves: or the conspiracy theory page

18:56:58 thickasthieves: i mean i'd love for it to be true

18:57:04 thickasthieves: but i see no usable evidence

18:57:36 mircea_popescu: news, dood. doesn't ask you anything. it just puts the burden upon you to make room for it in your gestaalt as it were

18:57:57 mircea_popescu: that's what's so attractive about the newsman job. you get to rape a bunch of people's heads.

18:57:59 mircea_popescu: !up ll

18:58:09 thickasthieves: not sure i agree on that

18:58:39 thickasthieves: that's why news is dangerous, and why people with that attitude in news are even more so

18:58:56 thickasthieves: of course we may be defining 'news' differently

18:59:19 mircea_popescu: how about "iraq wmds" ?

18:59:26 thickasthieves: ?

18:59:51 mircea_popescu: didja see any facts ? what facts didja see ?

18:59:51 thickasthieves: are you saying 'they started it!' ?

19:00:13 mircea_popescu: nope. im putting some pressure on your quaint but broken notions of truth, factuality and so on

19:00:18 thickasthieves: lies are lies, wherever they are communicated

19:00:23 thickasthieves: news is not lies

19:00:31 mircea_popescu: but things that actually happened that you personaly can't verify are what ?

19:00:38 thickasthieves: not news

19:00:40 TomServo: fraudsters articles!

19:00:41 mircea_popescu: the word is news.

19:00:42 TomServo: :P

19:00:44 mircea_popescu: lol

19:01:04 thickasthieves: i feel like you arent really mp right now

19:01:11 mircea_popescu: ahahaha good one!

19:01:24 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "fuck me" it is that time of the month, yes

19:01:27 TomServo: I'd like to see qntra stick to the (published!) facts, personally.

19:01:32 mircea_popescu: the reason accuracy is a concept at all is that news can't ever be correct. which is why estimates are accurate and calculations are correct.

19:01:43 ben_vulpes: relatedly: why do guys derp on about PMS and not about the ovulation?

19:01:51 mircea_popescu: !s pms

19:01:52 assbot: 65 results for 'pms' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=pms

19:02:00 mircea_popescu: shit, we do! who knew!

19:02:18 mircea_popescu: !up berndj

19:02:30 thickasthieves: this is the same as the wot concepts, the including footnotes and source links concepts, etc

19:02:39 ben_vulpes: that's like a third "private messages" a third "project manager" and a third bitchy babes

19:02:42 thickasthieves: news may quote liars, but it may not lie

19:03:06 ben_vulpes: how are ya, berndj

19:03:08 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves looky. factually the btc bottom happened. factually the dow movement happened.

19:03:20 mircea_popescu: what do you contest ? the link ?

19:03:24 thickasthieves: factually i took a shit at the same time too

19:03:32 thickasthieves: maybe i shouold shit more often

19:03:35 ben_vulpes: factually i got a blowjob!

19:03:42 mircea_popescu: well yes. so there yo uhave it : any way you go about things you're going to be selecting something.

19:04:05 thickasthieves: like zh

19:04:15 mircea_popescu: i imagine like qntra

19:04:51 thickasthieves: well like we've both said recently, cazalla's problem i guess

19:05:04 mircea_popescu: at least it gets to be an exciting, interesting job.

19:05:16 kakobrekla: !up berndj

19:05:20 kakobrekla: !up adrrr

19:05:23 kakobrekla: !up Lee-

19:05:28 mike_c: you don't have to like every article.

19:05:29 thickasthieves: i'm having trouble seeing the value in S.QNTR shares

19:05:32 mircea_popescu: !up kakobrekla

19:05:32 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> womenz can not be owned!!1 << the line is that humans cannot be owned, and it's only spouted by those who've not realized they're owned

19:05:48 thickasthieves: they constantly dilute, except for core owners

19:06:00 mircea_popescu: no, they constantly dilute except for active writers.

19:06:03 *: kakobrekla might be expecting someone

19:06:12 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> no, they constantly dilute except for active writers. << clever

19:06:31 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mpex ipos are nothing if not experiments.

19:06:32 mike_c: they don't constantly dilute

19:06:44 mike_c: they dilute in a geometrically decreasing fashion

19:06:48 ben_vulpes: i envy your playground mircea_popescu

19:06:49 adrrr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e27HQHKazuU

19:06:56 *: ben_vulpes ponders

19:06:58 ben_vulpes: nah, i got my own

19:06:58 thickasthieves: ?

19:06:58 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i can see it.

19:07:07 thickasthieves: so they stop diluting?

19:07:18 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves he means that by the time there's 10bn, a few more added won't make a difference

19:07:23 mircea_popescu: you know, LIKE SATOSHI DID IT

19:07:25 ben_vulpes: i ain't no dissembler

19:07:41 thickasthieves: they also wont be worth striving for

19:07:56 mircea_popescu: ideally people do their job because of their job, not because of their carrot

19:08:11 thickasthieves: :/

19:08:28 thickasthieves: you put out a carrot and then say, oh dont worry about that

19:08:29 bounce: colour me conservative, but I expect news-writing on a news-site

19:08:33 thickasthieves: do it cuz you want to

19:08:44 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves exactly!

19:08:49 thickasthieves: :/

19:09:01 thickasthieves: i think doing it for the equity is great

19:09:02 mircea_popescu: bounce so they can't report on derpy stuff like moolah or w/e ?

19:09:07 mike_c: bounce: in the lifestyles section? or the opinion page? or the comics page?

19:09:09 thickasthieves: it's literal stake in what you do

19:09:21 thickasthieves: but the inflating shares bring issues

19:09:42 thickasthieves: there's also an ironic conflict of interest for 3 owners in writing

19:09:44 mircea_popescu: yes thickasthieves. the issue is as follows : no matter how much fun you'll have, there's more people making more people having more fun than you out there.

19:09:51 bounce: does qntra have those?

19:10:08 mike_c: they have categories. same difference.

19:10:45 kakobrekla: !up xe4l

19:10:58 bounce: hmhm so it's a blog after all

19:11:09 mike_c: or a newspaper

19:11:10 mircea_popescu: everything';s a blog after all.

19:11:21 thickasthieves: it's just database

19:11:27 mircea_popescu: the blog is the superset of the written word. tom sawyer is a badly implemented blog.

19:11:29 mike_c: not even any css

19:11:35 bounce: then there's no point in trying to be different, is there?

19:11:42 mircea_popescu: different from what ?

19:11:54 kakobrekla: blog is buzzword

19:12:03 thickasthieves: well the trying t be different, i thought, was to eschew now-common problems in news

19:12:11 thickasthieves: like shilling, lying, etc

19:12:15 bounce: well, why do you submit something to qntra that would do peachy fine on fraudsters?

19:12:30 thickasthieves: cuz ideas!

19:12:34 bounce: oh. ideas.

19:12:36 mircea_popescu: bounce think about it, if i never submitted anything to qntra wouldn't ppl want to know why i don't ?

19:13:00 thickasthieves: this sounds a bit like the colored coins conversation ;)

19:13:13 bounce: you're rooting for the tin foil hats that speculate you'll get paid to not write for qntra?

19:13:15 kakobrekla: cept we are being coloured

19:13:35 jurov: this is an editorial not an article

19:13:42 thickasthieves: retrofitting problems to solutions

19:13:44 mircea_popescu: bounce lol i think im good either way, not about to starve if they reject my contribution :D

19:14:25 bounce: right so

19:14:41 *: asciilifeform confesses that he isn't terribly fond of the qntra articles to date. nothing against the folks who wrote them! but because the entire 'bitcoin news' sphere - not only reportage, but the subject matter per se - is permeated with spam oil.

19:14:55 asciilifeform: and the smell comes through

19:15:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can see your angle. if you feel like doing one sometime...

19:15:12 BingoBoingo: qntra prolly ought to grow to include editorial eventually. cazalla's decision as to when

19:15:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's the thing, i couldn't possibly write one and have it be any more 'on subject' than yours above!

19:15:31 thickasthieves: it's just new, we are indeed trying to judge a toddler like an adult

19:15:53 thickasthieves: shows our interest though

19:15:56 thickasthieves: which is good

19:16:20 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves wel no, this is the sort of shit that happens. one day cazalla was minding his own fucking business. suddenly, it's "make a news site!" then the next week it's ddosed to hel, and then the next week it's "here's an artikcle from mp, everyone in chan wants to make a call, it's on your head. make a decision"

19:16:22 Apocalyptic: %d

19:16:22 asciilifeform: thickasthieves: i'd argue that it isn't simply too new, or done improperly in some way. but - does wrong job.

19:16:23 mircea_popescu: never a dull moment.

19:16:23 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 324029.05 in 148 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.75

19:16:25 thickasthieves: we have blogs, we have shit news, now we want qntra

19:17:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you mean wrong job ?

19:17:08 asciilifeform: thickasthieves: imho folks who think 'hate shitnews, gonna make my own nyt and forbes, with hookers & blackjack' are missing some of the problem

19:17:22 asciilifeform: i'll give example

19:17:48 asciilifeform: 'the fall of moolah.io'. 'lawsky stays lulzy.' 'butterfly turds something-or-other.' etc

19:18:01 thickasthieves: right

19:18:05 mircea_popescu: myeah.

19:18:07 asciilifeform: i think in usa this is called 'framing'

19:18:16 asciilifeform: or maybe not

19:18:18 thickasthieves: the b-a culture and btc culture is leaking

19:18:20 devthedev: framing?

19:18:22 asciilifeform: but the subject matter itself is the problem

19:18:24 bounce: framing.

19:18:26 asciilifeform: rather than execution

19:18:33 bounce: putting stuff in suggestive light

19:18:39 asciilifeform: wrong word, nm

19:18:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you want, get a better army ?

19:18:42 thickasthieves: i think execution is part of it though

19:18:44 mircea_popescu: from where, heaven ?

19:18:47 mike_c: the lawsky title was a bit silly for my taste, but the content was useful to me. i'm glad i read what happenned.

19:18:48 asciilifeform: qntra lifted the choice of subjects from the turdmeisternews

19:19:01 thickasthieves: you can tell when qntra is trying to be cold, and when it's catering to b-a readers

19:19:06 mircea_popescu: that was baked in the design. "take their subjects, write them better"

19:19:22 asciilifeform: example of -interesting- and genuine news - mp's piece. but he can't cough up the actual intel to substantiate the piece, that would aid the enemy.

19:19:24 bounce: headline writing is a fine art though. news shops have people that specialise in exactly that.

19:19:41 mike_c: if you just want occassional useful articles, read blogs.b-a.

19:19:46 mircea_popescu: bounce very true. im hoping someone will emerge

19:19:52 mircea_popescu: probably out of the ba chickdom.

19:20:00 mike_c: if you want to know all the stupid shit that is hapenning, not told to you by idiots, read qntra.

19:20:07 asciilifeform: ^

19:20:12 thickasthieves: when i worked at newspaper, headline writing was mostly editors job

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19:20:13 BingoBoingo: !b 2

19:20:18 BingoBoingo: Missed

19:20:27 thickasthieves: writers (and even layout people) would write placeholer headlines

19:20:35 thickasthieves: and editor would adjust

19:20:55 mircea_popescu: i think mike substantially has it, tbh. that's pretty much the mission.

19:20:59 Apocalyptic: <mike_c> if you want to know all the stupid shit that is hapenning, not told to you by idiots, read qntra. // that's probably the best definition of what it does

19:21:11 mircea_popescu: i mean sure in time it can branch out and grow and w/e, but as an anchor, that's how it was born

19:21:20 asciilifeform: perhaps i simply don't like the dish, and should not bash the cook.

19:21:37 bounce: there's more or less three candidates, given the wordcount rule

19:21:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform idea being, everything needs to be done. cables are needed too.

19:21:46 mircea_popescu: even if "cables are ugly" or w/e.

19:21:58 mircea_popescu: bounce candidates to what ?

19:22:42 asciilifeform: one of the problems i always had with 'news' is the regurgitation

19:22:50 mircea_popescu: !up TheBroker

19:23:03 TheBroker: ;;gpg eregister TheBroker 2AB7FCD6D06C6433

19:23:03 asciilifeform: true newsman, imho, actually goes places and lifts facts from the earth, not cut&paste.

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19:23:06 mircea_popescu: ;;google first steps to bitcoin assets

19:23:06 gribble: start [bitcoin assets wiki]: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/; Bitcoin fund launches - Futures: http://www.futuresmag.com/2014/09/22/bitcoin-fund-launches; Hedge Fund GABI Makes First Bitcoin Purchase via DigitalBTC - The ...: http://www.thebtcsociety.com/headlines/hedge-fund-gabi-makes-first-bitcoin-purchase-via-digitalbtc

19:23:08 mircea_popescu: ah there you go!

19:23:10 thickasthieves: my main gripe with news is when it's propaganda or meant to manipulate

19:23:27 asciilifeform: that's everybody's main gripe, but leaves certain things in the shadows

19:23:37 bounce: first it's got to steal your attention, then it's got to keep it, then it's gotta fill the article, then it's got to pad the wordcount

19:23:43 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves news will have a pov. want it to or not.

19:24:14 mircea_popescu: bounce my idea was to make it contrary forces. so the wordcount should result like the stuff in colorado, a splendor.

19:24:32 asciilifeform: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'

19:24:43 asciilifeform: (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3243717585684194@naggum.no.html )

19:24:44 assbot: Re: "Well, I want to switch over to replace EMACS LISP with Guile." - Naggum cll archive

19:25:43 thickasthieves: lol every article should say how many shares it made at the bottom

19:25:52 asciilifeform: here are some imaginary examples of actual 'bitcoin news'

19:25:54 mircea_popescu: emacs can tell you :D

19:26:26 asciilifeform: picture a blog where some chap analyzes latest crapware, and posts reverse engineer autopsies of samples which somehow concern btc.

19:26:46 asciilifeform: or one where a fellow who owns some big iron (several hundred cpu, perhaps) walks the blockchain every day in search of strange

19:26:50 mircea_popescu: this is not news stan. this is science publications.

19:27:02 mircea_popescu: this is the stuff that blogs are made for.

19:27:03 thickasthieves: like organofcorti

19:27:07 mircea_popescu: quite.

19:27:07 cazalla: well see, qntra is titled news, views and commentary so thickasthieves, you are quite welcome to submit an article in response to mircea_popescu's

19:27:18 asciilifeform: or by an anonymous kid who plants wifi bugs, which forward captures to his wpa cracking cluster, around usg facilities

19:27:19 cazalla: and gee i had a few too many last night

19:27:22 thickasthieves: heh

19:27:30 asciilifeform: i could go on forever

19:27:33 mircea_popescu: cazalla what, that means i'm in ?

19:27:45 thickasthieves: maybe i'll submit an article about the problem with qntra share dist model

19:27:59 thickasthieves: probly more suited to mike_c tho

19:28:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00073879 = 21.2772 BTC [+] {2}

19:28:41 cazalla: mircea_popescu, yes but a little reminiscent of when the stooge is told to give a check to the tangiers lol he does as he is told

19:28:43 mircea_popescu: TheBroker put that text blob in gpg to decode it

19:28:48 asciilifeform: qntra reads just like ordinary newspaper! 'company c now selling turd t.' 'company s having supply chain problems with their shit.' 'politician p derps on topic t.'

19:29:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well guess why!

19:29:12 BingoBoingo: <thickasthieves> maybe i'll submit an article about the problem with qntra share dist model << Qntra shares embody MP view of wealth as % of math rather than number ot tokens

19:29:25 cazalla: qntra authors are compromised because yesterday mircea_popescu organises hosting, today he wants to be an authour!

19:29:46 thickasthieves: you three get shares for each article too right?

19:29:54 thickasthieves: your own articles i mean

19:30:06 thickasthieves: i know you get them for others

19:30:11 bounce: "free software a mediocre idea" oh well

19:30:13 cazalla: yes, we can earn from the pool as well

19:31:33 thickasthieves: so while qntra has the least income, and needs the most from few (as in it's founders will work for equity only at start) it's founders and groundfloor employees get the most equity

19:31:42 thickasthieves: this leads to income eventually

19:31:49 asciilifeform: how is it supposed to generate income again?

19:31:54 *: asciilifeform confused

19:31:59 thickasthieves: which by then shares are very diluted for everyone but 3 founders

19:32:25 thickasthieves: i just cant sort why owning shares and holding them will ever be good

19:32:38 thickasthieves: and if that is true

19:32:45 thickasthieves: its never good for market buyers either

19:33:15 mike_c: thickasthieves: you see peterl's article on it?

19:33:20 thickasthieves: i havent no

19:33:31 mike_c: !s from:peterl qntra

19:33:32 assbot: 2 results for 'from:peterl qntra' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Apeterl+qntra

19:34:02 thickasthieves: which is his blog?

19:34:24 mike_c: http://blog.btcscoop.com/infinitely-inflating-stock-s-qntr/

19:34:24 assbot: Infinitely inflating stock S.QNTR | BTC Scoop Blog

19:35:44 cazalla: i think coindesk got to thickasthieves

19:36:53 thickasthieves: peterl's conclusion seems to be that only buyers of shares would logically be donors

19:37:08 thickasthieves: make people spend shares to read it i guess

19:37:44 mike_c: cazalla: suggestion: pick a reasonable set of categories (8-10?) and apply to all articles. this would allow for sections and filtering.

19:37:57 mike_c: additional tags of course don't hurt anything

19:39:01 cazalla: mike_c, we've been adding categories as we go so they will expand over time, not that fussed on tags though tbh

19:40:19 thickasthieves: possibly, the only ways for qntra shares to go up in value would be divs becoming great, or somehow closing the loop by having a way to 'spend' shares.. but at that point all you did was make an altcoin

19:40:35 mike_c: but if you have a core set of tags it is easy to have finance page, legal page, editorial page, etc. (this is what I would want, perhaps not widely desired).

19:41:07 mircea_popescu: <bounce> "free software a mediocre idea" oh well <<< who ?

19:41:08 thickasthieves: also could look at it from the feeds point of you

19:41:17 thickasthieves: maybe mike_c only wants to follow one category

19:41:40 mike_c: or perhaps tat wants to ignore certain categories (like commentary)

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19:41:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c wow i hadn't either.

19:41:57 thickasthieves: hey i like mp's commentary

19:42:01 thickasthieves: but it aint news

19:42:11 mike_c: neither is the editorial section of the paper.

19:42:23 thickasthieves: if i wrote an article saying that mp wrote the article, thats news :)

19:43:28 thickasthieves: Romanian Blogger Makes Startling Accusations About US Bitcoin Manipulation

19:44:03 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves bad title tho. i got better titles than blogger, and the big thing there is the dow manipulation

19:44:15 mike_c: another section of the paper that isn't news: classifieds! put the otc order book out of bizness and makes shareholders happy.

19:44:30 thickasthieves: mp i admittedely didnt put my all into the headline

19:44:34 asciilifeform: it's more or less out of business for ages

19:44:37 mircea_popescu: Romanian Billionaire And Unrepentant Murderer of Anton Derpopoplus Claims Foreign Interest Manipulate Dow

19:45:09 thickasthieves: mp just write all your articles for qntra about your articles on fraudsters and i'll be happy lol

19:45:14 mircea_popescu: lol

19:45:21 bounce: Unrepentant Romanian Claims Foreign Interests Manipulate Dow

19:45:25 thickasthieves: !up peterl

19:45:37 mircea_popescu: Breaking : A fraudsters Article I wrote about a Song I wrote about some Music I wrote.

19:45:44 peterl: hi, I think you misunderstood the conclusion of my article

19:45:51 thickasthieves: ok

19:45:53 mircea_popescu: ;;ident TheBroker

19:45:54 gribble: Nick 'TheBroker', with hostmask 'TheBroker!bec3cce4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.', is identified as user 'TheBroker', with GPG key id 2AB7FCD6D06C6433, key fingerprint A8B4D8D11C5F71DA8D3059E02AB7FCD6D06C6433, and bitcoin address None

19:45:54 thickasthieves: fix me

19:46:01 mircea_popescu: ;;rate TheBroker 1 Broker.

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19:46:03 peterl: at first, the people buying shares of S.QNTR will be donating to authors

19:46:15 peterl: but eventually the paper might make money

19:46:23 asciilifeform: how?

19:46:26 peterl: so people will be buying shares to get a part of the income

19:46:29 cazalla: punkman: just dusted off ancient juicer, still works http://i.imgur.com/eFs13T0.jpg <<< i've got a juicepresso, fkn thing is great after drinking the previous night

19:46:43 thickasthieves: wouldnt it require a drastic amount of money though, the more time passes and shares are created?

19:46:57 devthedev: Yes

19:46:58 peterl: how to make money? sell ads or subscriptions or classifieds or whatever

19:47:04 asciilifeform: ads?

19:47:04 thickasthieves: the curves can easily be unfavorable

19:47:05 asciilifeform: to whom?

19:47:18 thickasthieves: and likely will always be unfavorable

19:47:43 peterl: but if they make some money, then it will be shared among the shares

19:47:50 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves the newspaper business isn't really for poor people ya know.

19:47:58 peterl: so the price might be really low, but it will still be some positive number

19:48:08 asciilifeform: i confess that i'm seeing a perpetuum mobile, but, 'this time it'll be different, we're using 6061 instead of villard de honnecourt's oak !'

19:48:11 thickasthieves: IPOing isnt really for nonincome businesses

19:48:13 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

19:48:14 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 391.2, Best ask: 391.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.39000, Last trade: 391.6, 24 hour volume: 21327.08255323, 24 hour low: 385.92, 24 hour high: 413.0, 24 hour vwap: 397.092249358

19:48:18 asciilifeform: *6061 aluminum

19:48:53 peterl: but anybody can see the inflation coming, so the whole market will discount the share price as appriate to compensate between "profit now" and "profit later"

19:48:53 mats_cd03: it sounds like mp has implicitly agreed to be the hearst/murdoch of qntra

19:49:15 thickasthieves: in that case, no need to be a public co

19:49:20 thickasthieves: just pay people

19:49:28 mircea_popescu: no need, sure.

19:49:28 mircea_popescu: so ?

19:49:43 peterl: already there are some bids up for S.QNTR, some people are being generous to the authors, some not so much

19:50:02 *: asciilifeform realized that he simply regards william randolph hearst's basic invention (mass news) as fundamentally pernicious, and not something that 'good folks can do right because they're good and hearst is evil'

19:50:21 thickasthieves: well think of this conversation as informing to potential investors that this isnt really an investment to expect gains from, other than knowing your favorite news source will continue to exist

19:50:42 mike_c: what?

19:51:11 mike_c: ok, i'll write it up.

19:51:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more to it than simply that, i suspect.

19:51:56 asciilifeform: mass news and derp are inseparable in my head. perhaps one can have one without the other, but that's not unlike a unipolar magnet.

19:52:25 mircea_popescu: well, i suspect there's a lot of unresolved questions in there.

19:52:26 asciilifeform: in some 'unconventional' models of physics, they exist.

19:52:33 peterl: thickasthieves: hopefully investors are smart enough to read the listing and understand what is going on

19:52:57 thickasthieves: and yknow, i'm not saying i wouldnt buy shares just to support it

19:53:07 mircea_popescu: im not even sure what are yu saying lol.

19:53:13 asciilifeform: i was very unsure re: this hypothesis prior to qntra

19:53:20 asciilifeform: but now i strongly suspect that it is true

19:53:26 mircea_popescu: for one thing, every news outlet to date, pando, gawker, you name it, was started with a nest egg and no perspective to make money.

19:53:27 devthedev: I hope it turns out okay for authors too, we'll have to wait and see.

19:53:37 mircea_popescu: for that matter, whatsapp has yet to make any money. etc.

19:53:50 mircea_popescu: so yeah, s.qntr is only slightly better than the blue chip fiat company.

19:53:50 mircea_popescu: sure.

19:54:06 thickasthieves: i dont care about bluechip fiat co

19:54:20 mircea_popescu: right.

19:54:24 peterl: people are buying with the hope they might make some profit in the future

19:54:32 mircea_popescu: but whatever you care about, that's what alternatives investors have.

19:54:33 cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla can you explain that 4plebs img thing ? i dun have the context. <<< ANZACs go off to fight for the country, ya know, cis gendered men who promote the patriarchy, meanwhile all the leftys move in to Melbourne, meh wtf do i know anyway

19:55:08 mircea_popescu: ;;ud ANZAC

19:55:09 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Anzac | Anzac. 1. A soldier from Australia or New Zealand. Originally referred only to Gallipoli campaigners, (the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps), then to all  ...

19:55:13 mircea_popescu: ah

19:55:37 mircea_popescu: so it's one of those "while you're away at boot camp your wife is sucking snails out of the lesbian couple next door" ?

19:56:04 thickasthieves: would qntra be interested in some logo mockups? i wont be offended if you dont use any, i just think it makes a create letterform

19:56:13 cazalla: mircea_popescu, pretty much

19:56:15 thickasthieves: great not create

19:56:37 thickasthieves: not sure if ur outright anti-logo

19:56:39 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves gotta talk to cazalla

19:56:46 thickasthieves: i am!

19:56:49 asciilifeform: another observation re: qntra. recall mircea_popescu's point about synthetic tomatoes?

19:56:56 cazalla: thickasthieves, not at this time but thanks

19:57:02 thickasthieves: word

19:57:09 asciilifeform: how we don't actually have more food today than in 1700, just greater quantities of food-like substance that staves off starvation

19:57:17 mircea_popescu: yeah, i recall it.

19:57:35 asciilifeform: well, if we were to go back to actual food, we would have to get used to perhaps 1/1000 as much of it mass-wise as we had 'food.'

19:57:38 asciilifeform: well, same applies to news.

19:57:55 thickasthieves: cazalla, may i ask why?

19:58:15 asciilifeform: i'm not certain that an article per day of actually interesting matter happens in the world. at least, not where a reporter can get to it.

19:58:22 cazalla: thickasthieves, because then the discussion will turn to how the logo can be improved and i'll end up focusing on that instead of content

19:58:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to follow that model. qntra isn't a seller of 0-dioxin, 1814-equivalent tomatoes, but a greengrocer where they don't hire retards and don't mix shit in the fruit sala.d

19:58:33 mircea_popescu: still a green grocer.

19:58:39 asciilifeform: hm.

19:59:09 *: cazalla planted his tomatos last weekend

19:59:26 cazalla: tomatoes even, grosse and cherry, put some romas in next month

20:01:29 BingoBoingo: The tomatoes in the garden here are still fucking producing. It nearly frosted 3 weeks ago, but they won't stop this year.

20:02:28 asciilifeform: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-15/fcc-commissioner-butt-dialing-is-taxing-911

20:02:28 assbot: FCC Commissioner: Butt-Dialing is Taxing 911 - Businessweek

20:02:40 bounce: leaving aside "acts of nature", news is created by the doings of people. there're a lot more of those around than there were in 1700. if you assume only the top N most important bits are important, then that number stays constant. if you assume the top N% is important, then the absolute number of newsworthy things would likely adjust with the headcount

20:02:56 asciilifeform: bounce: there're a lot more of those around than there were in 1700 << no. there aren't.

20:02:59 asciilifeform: see the tomatoes example.

20:03:06 cazalla: BingoBoingo, i didn't get any last year, we had hail proceeded by a 5 day heat wave, that was the end of them

20:03:12 asciilifeform: no more people today than in 1700. fewer. more shaved apes - yes, there are.

20:03:31 asciilifeform: hard to emphasize this enough.

20:03:53 bounce: debatabel. we have a lot more opportunity, if perhaps and arguable less incentive, for not-yet-people to become people.

20:04:00 bounce: s/abel/able/

20:04:02 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Two years ago the bumper crop was brussel sprouts, produced into January

20:04:05 asciilifeform: not sure this happens after age 7 or so.

20:04:09 asciilifeform: physiologically.

20:04:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00073954 = 21.8164 BTC [+] {2}

20:04:42 cazalla: BingoBoingo, nice, yet to grow them although i've considered it

20:05:23 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i'll have your article up later this morning

20:05:57 cazalla: thickasthieves, deal with it --0-0--- or write an article in response to our commentary :P

20:10:04 mircea_popescu: this bounce-asciilifeform debate will probably live in the annals.

20:10:12 mircea_popescu: i mean... i can see either side of it. wtf to do now.

20:10:27 mircea_popescu: i can tell it's probably an important question.

20:11:04 *: BingoBoingo wonders why the focus on news exclusively as announcement of what happens now and not as the record historians dig through.

20:11:33 mircea_popescu: because historians are generally regarded like the rats in the sewer

20:11:42 mircea_popescu: they shoulkd be happy to get whatever it is that reaches them ?

20:12:00 thickasthieves: cazalla s'all good

20:12:02 bounce: the essential part seems to be how many shaved apes can become people, ie can become truly important. and this may or may not be limited within a sphere of influence, but there too we've managed to specialise, and multiple spheres are now more feasible.

20:12:37 mircea_popescu: bounce but hear the contrarian view. in 1814, there were about 1k actual scientists in the world, ie, people making their own moral judgements, as independent agents

20:12:48 mircea_popescu: and a few millions lawyers, doctors, journalists and other liberal professions,

20:12:51 bounce: what this does to relative and absolute importance depends on your viewpoint as much as plenty other factors

20:12:57 mircea_popescu: if not idem then at least somewhat approximting the same

20:13:03 mats_cd03: thickasthieves: wut was that site that downloaded torrents for you?

20:13:17 mircea_popescu: today, someone who has the unmitigated audacity to misrepresent herself as "senior" SEC counsel

20:13:26 mircea_popescu: lacks the authority to make a deal in her purported field of expertise

20:13:48 mircea_popescu: forget being an independent agent. she cant' even deal. she's not even a representative.

20:13:51 thickasthieves: mats_cd03 it died

20:13:56 mircea_popescu: what are we talking about then ? the five or so people that mp ?

20:14:04 asciilifeform: to the extent that today's 'news' are worth paying attention to, it is to write the history of mass lies.

20:14:05 mats_cd03: thickasthieves: ya but what was it. i'd like to reproduce it.

20:14:07 asciilifeform: example,

20:14:08 asciilifeform: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-15/ebola-new-infection-at-dallas-hospital-puts-focus-on-health-workers

20:14:08 assbot: New Ebola Infection at Dallas Hospital Puts Focus on Health Workers - Businessweek

20:14:11 thickasthieves: bitfetch.com

20:14:30 asciilifeform: read the one page and think about the arse-mouth gymnastics the buggers are going through to avoid saying 'yep, it's airborne'

20:14:35 thickasthieves: add a search to it and ur golden!

20:14:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00073765 = 7.9666 BTC [-]

20:14:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's obviusly particulate airborne.

20:14:57 asciilifeform: this shit - will be remembered. history of how usa fellated its pistol.

20:15:05 mircea_popescu: which is why and how the entire "don't sneeze on people" thing was introduced.

20:15:58 bounce: apparently "senior counsel" doesn't mean "chief dealmaker". so she's in a position that sounds important but is essentially toothless when it's not about bullying random other parties into filling in a bunch of forms. this phenomenon isn't exactly new.

20:16:09 mircea_popescu: but if so is she, what hope has who ?

20:16:11 asciilifeform: airborne in the sense of, if you want to stand next to the patient and live, wear a suit appropriate for bathing in sarin.

20:16:35 mircea_popescu: jesus that was broken english.

20:16:52 bounce: the sec is more or less a puppet anyway; look into the commentary around the flash crash, esp. the nanex guys

20:16:59 mircea_popescu: so if not her, then who ?

20:17:09 mircea_popescu: if the sec is a puppet, if senior counsel for the sec ~= housewife

20:17:11 asciilifeform: who << shadowhitler?

20:17:11 bounce: around the sec? quite possibly nobody.

20:17:16 mircea_popescu: then who ? who are those numerous people that make news ?

20:17:20 mircea_popescu: so then... no news ?

20:17:53 bounce: sound and fury, signifying nothing.

20:18:02 asciilifeform: yes.

20:18:05 kakobrekla: no news. as no computing.

20:18:15 mircea_popescu: see, the distance between bounce's theory and asciilifeform's practice is that in theory there's a lot of things that aren't actually fouind in practice ?

20:18:32 asciilifeform: unless you - personally - planted a video bug in the toilet stall where ebama fucks his interns, and brags to them about zapping the white man with obola.

20:18:34 asciilifeform: and can prove it.

20:18:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so.

20:18:47 mircea_popescu: suppose i put this on fraudsters, right now.

20:18:58 mircea_popescu: do you see pelosi coming out and chastising obama ?

20:19:01 asciilifeform: lol

20:19:13 bounce: could well be an emergent property of our social limits, mind. like how the human social intelect can deal with ~150 "friends"

20:19:24 asciilifeform: yes, in the popular imagination, 'exposing' something is as simple as printing a few words.

20:19:26 mircea_popescu: bounce that's a dubious theory. i don't credit it so much.

20:19:27 bounce: that puts a bit of a damper of how many people you can remember to be important

20:20:02 asciilifeform: in reality, you have to patch into satellite and show him eating the kitten on prime time tv. for a week straight. to have even small effect.

20:20:09 mircea_popescu: bounce in the same spirit (of statistics) : the average bacterium makes no penicillin

20:20:13 thickasthieves: whom is important is dynamic and relative

20:20:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you've just moved the goalpost ?

20:20:40 asciilifeform: perhaps. given as i'm not even sure there's a game

20:20:41 bounce: it's not impossible, even if hard to see being as it is that same emergent property. so the point is not to discount it too easily.

20:20:55 mircea_popescu: suppose qntra buys mtv, and obama is shown back to back doing that, 18`994 times over two weeks.

20:20:56 mircea_popescu: so ?

20:21:27 mircea_popescu: to quote the teflon don speaking to sam giancanna, "all they got is a tape. let 'em play it 'till they're sick of it"

20:21:27 asciilifeform: this occasionally happens (nixon?) - then muppet is replaced with an otherwise-identical spare, who has not yet eaten the public kitten fillet.

20:21:30 asciilifeform: life continues.

20:23:25 mircea_popescu: so in short : there's not going to be external solutions to internal problems

20:23:42 mircea_popescu: no matter how you bang on it, the shit chip won't suddenly start dropping magic packets.

20:23:45 mircea_popescu: makes sense neh ?

20:24:20 bounce: currently I think the effect is a bit midway. much larger bulk of apes, lower relative yield of persons despite much better all around education(!), still a net absolute plus, but in a sense a disappointing one

20:24:39 mircea_popescu: ah but consider the matter further.

20:25:04 mircea_popescu: a child is conceived. he is healthy. inside his cranial cavity, among water, thin strings of protein run every which way.

20:25:14 mircea_popescu: another child, not healthy. inside his cranial cavity, slightly more water.

20:25:35 bounce: bit of a... paradox perhaps, that improved life circumstances yield a better baseline but a lower top yield

20:25:39 mircea_popescu: and yet... that 2nd brain will never function. all it takes is a little more doping and suddenly you *don't * have a semiconductor

20:25:56 mircea_popescu: you'll have to argue for that better baseline. what's better about it ?

20:27:49 bounce: emergence of a middle class was a bit of a giveaway. increased life expectancy, better literacy all-around, lots of little stuff. life got a lot shinier for a great many people, to the point of bringing a great many more people in the world.

20:28:59 mircea_popescu: so let me randomly pick one.

20:29:08 mircea_popescu: "increased literacy" ? how, when ?

20:29:21 mircea_popescu: this never happened, seriously. you seen that early 1900s test for ohio if memory serves highschoolers ?

20:30:08 bounce: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/datasets/percentage-of-literacy-in-the-1600/versions/3

20:30:09 assbot: Many Eyes : Percentage of Literacy in the 1600's-1700's

20:30:34 mircea_popescu: no.

20:31:02 bounce: meaning that fully half the people couldn't read in the 1700s, where it's now closer to just about all of them who can read.

20:31:04 mircea_popescu: you don't get to measure literacy as counted by j h newman with "literacy" as counted by some fuckardacy.

20:31:13 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/ <<

20:31:15 assbot: A very unfair perspective. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

20:31:29 mircea_popescu: people today can't read.

20:31:41 mircea_popescu: they can convincingly pretend like they can read. but in point of fact, they can not and do not.

20:32:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2489 @ 0.00073765 = 1.836 BTC [-]

20:32:10 mircea_popescu: reddit is the temple of this bizarre sect, the large collection of people who can use letters but don't understand sentences.

20:32:38 mircea_popescu: bounce http://www.thecrowhouse.com/8th_test.html << there. are you literate per the 8th grade standards ?

20:32:38 assbot: The CrowHouse

20:33:41 jurov: i propose using s.qntra shares as payment for fraudsters credits, upon which they are irreversibly destroyed

20:33:51 bounce: I think you're a bit spoiled here; try and compare reddit derpage and tardery with the complete inability to even follow the simplest instructions when they're paid to do exactly that in places with real modern day rampant illiteracy

20:34:16 mircea_popescu: comparing modern day idiocy in africa with the white areas of 1800 ios nonsense

20:34:23 jurov: however, then the owners share will increase indefinitely

20:34:38 mircea_popescu: romania was in the shitter in 1984, and has more gold per capita than most states today. all it too k was getting rid of the soviets.

20:34:49 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, africa had no soviets, it was and will remain in the shitter.

20:35:08 mircea_popescu: jurov what, not complex enough already ?

20:37:55 jurov: even bitcoins can be irreversibly destroyed

20:38:12 jurov: but s.qntr shares would outlive the stars or such

20:38:21 jurov: "D

20:38:48 jurov: just my brainfarts

20:40:16 jurov: what can be infinitely created, should be destroyable

20:40:32 asciilifeform: 'literacy' as understood by extant managerial civilization (usa, friends, imitators) is simply the ability to fill out forms and perform other simple mechanics of the giant meat computer of bureaucracy.

20:40:36 BingoBoingo: But at least it is only countably infinite!

20:41:25 jurov: asciilifeform it was ability to follow written instructions,no?

20:41:25 asciilifeform: africa had no soviets << vanishing the thieves and dekulakizers is not enough, one has to actually... produce wealth

20:42:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one has to have a whole lotta things. literacy is a good start, of course. the actual kind.

20:42:31 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/after-defeating-it-in-the-bitcoin-market-la-serenissima-bleeds-the-usg-all-over-the-dow/

20:43:14 asciilifeform: we don't really know how to make 'more and more' actual people. to figure it out, would have to rewind to when they were mostly exterminated and go from there.

20:43:26 asciilifeform: and who even said we need more and more. just that there be some.

20:44:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have an experimentally verified method.

20:44:31 mircea_popescu: it is exhausting but not particularly difficult or complex.

20:44:47 asciilifeform: experimentally verified << ahaha, but does it work with Sr-90 in the atmosphere.

20:44:53 asciilifeform: and other modern nuances.

20:45:06 asciilifeform: this is why i don't like to say 'experimentally verified' re history.

20:46:18 mircea_popescu: works just fine. you start with women in their 20s, self selected. you beat and humiliate them into shape. five to ten years later, people emerge of this.

20:46:26 mircea_popescu: yield is well above a third, too.

20:46:35 asciilifeform: is this how we bake, e.g., a new james clerk maxwell?

20:46:40 asciilifeform: carl friedrich gauss ?

20:46:47 mircea_popescu: this is too soon to tell.

20:47:07 mircea_popescu: the most we have to go on is that while the recent aberrations produced neither of those,

20:47:07 *: asciilifeform waves to deng xiaoping

20:47:12 mircea_popescu: their times were run like i describe.

20:47:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.0007389 = 15.1475 BTC [+] {3}

20:47:49 asciilifeform: may well be that this is like draining the hydrocephalic's skull to turn him into a normal man

20:48:11 asciilifeform: yes, we know bullet killed jfk, no, taking it out, does not resurrect.

20:48:28 asciilifeform: or - it does. 'can you play violin? don't know - haven't tried yet.'

20:49:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun fact : rabies doesn't kill per se. current therapy consists of essentially freezing the brain while the virus is flushed out by the immune system

20:49:21 asciilifeform: yes.

20:49:23 mircea_popescu: the drainage sometimes actually works

20:49:26 asciilifeform: widely known, i think.

20:49:39 mircea_popescu: not that widely, it's recent and still experimental therapy afaik

20:49:44 asciilifeform: but - for infection, not congenital aberration.

20:50:09 asciilifeform: i get the point, yes

20:50:10 mircea_popescu: except the most common form of congenital malformation is fixed with ties.

20:50:50 *: asciilifeform still puzzled on how adding a fraudsters post to qntra fixes the broken concept of 'news.' but perhaps is simply not the target audience ?

20:51:30 mircea_popescu: whadda ya mean ?

20:51:55 asciilifeform: the latest piece.

20:51:59 asciilifeform: it wants to live on fraudsters.

20:52:06 mircea_popescu: why ?

20:52:14 devthedev: I wish I could read it

20:52:22 asciilifeform: devthedev: wait it's dead again?

20:52:22 mircea_popescu: devthedev what's keeping you ?!

20:52:37 devthedev: All I've seen is "dns refresh"

20:52:59 jurov: devthedev refresh till it works

20:53:12 devthedev: Lol

20:53:18 jurov: but mp's submission was via pastebin

20:53:51 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#875629

20:53:52 assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 18:16:30; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cazalla http://pastebin.com/8QQRp1wH trololo

20:53:57 mircea_popescu: bounce incidentally, since you quoth macbeth. "She should have died hereafter; there would have been a time for such a word. To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,

20:53:58 mircea_popescu: creeps in this petty pace from day to day to the last syllable of recorded time, and all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! "

20:54:01 mircea_popescu: what the fuck does that even say ?

20:54:15 mircea_popescu: this was read, over screams and bellows, in a crummy theatre, and people fucking understood it ?!

20:54:15 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#875681 < no, this

20:54:16 assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 18:42:08; mircea_popescu: cazalla http://pastebin.com/q8B0VvBu << for your consideration.

20:54:26 mircea_popescu: this ? you kidding me ? and people bitch at fraudsters being too complex to read ?

20:54:35 mircea_popescu: i should do a shakespeare once just to mess with people.

20:59:25 jurov: i doubt most people actually understood it. went to the theatre like it went to church (when everything was in latin)

20:59:32 jurov: *like they

20:59:48 asciilifeform: re: actual people: let's take maxwell. notice that, in addition to lacking reddit and dope, he also never had to --- work for a living.

21:00:10 jurov: which maxwell?

21:00:14 asciilifeform: (or train to take over a father's bezzlatron)

21:00:17 asciilifeform: james clerk.

21:00:19 asciilifeform: the one that matters.

21:00:20 mike_c: you've done worse. i swear you posted a couple articles of gobbedly gook that had secret messages.

21:00:28 mircea_popescu: jurov why would they ?

21:00:36 mircea_popescu: this wasn't a time when theatre was ancient and respected.

21:00:48 mircea_popescu: no, they went to the theatre like you come here. because it's new and cool and it speaks to you and you can afford to.

21:00:49 jurov: no other pastime?

21:01:01 jurov: and executions weren't every day, too

21:01:11 mircea_popescu: mike_c that wasn't worse, those you could identify as such

21:01:20 mircea_popescu: no other passtime ?! you kidding me ?

21:01:25 mike_c: i still haven't identified the secret message.

21:01:33 mircea_popescu: they had more then than you have now for crying out loud. for one thing, the street was fun

21:01:37 mircea_popescu: not a fucking parking lot, yet.

21:01:48 mircea_popescu: people. harlots and scamps and duchesses and everything.

21:02:12 mircea_popescu: you could entertain yourself indefinitely just following the yakking.

21:02:25 jurov: well, theatre was extension of the street. and maybe they explained it to each other

21:02:29 asciilifeform: go find the 'broadside ballads' of the time, for example.

21:02:31 mircea_popescu: maybe thgey did.

21:02:51 mircea_popescu: but the fact that they did already speaks, does it not.

21:03:24 jurov: yes. still very different from understanding the text as is

21:03:35 mircea_popescu: anyway, let's work it then.

21:04:04 BingoBoingo: !up HelpPlease

21:04:15 HelpPlease: thanks mate

21:04:28 HelpPlease: just popped in because one of my refunded bets didn't pay out

21:05:27 mircea_popescu: She should have died hereafter; << She should have died LATER.

21:05:27 mircea_popescu: there would have been a time for such a word. << It's not like this was the only opportunity for her to die and she had to take it.

21:05:27 mircea_popescu: To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow, creeps in this petty pace from day to day to the last syllable of recorded time, << roughly equivalent to "life is what happens while we were waiting for other things"

21:05:27 mircea_popescu: and all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death. << "there but for blind luck goes I", just because you're here today doesn't mean another just like you didn't die yesterday, or the day before.

21:05:39 mircea_popescu: HelpPlease how long ago did that happen ?

21:06:11 HelpPlease: Not sure, the bet was resolved sometime between now and yesterday.

21:06:25 HelpPlease: it's marked as refunded but it hasn't been

21:06:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: shakespeare ported great to ru.

21:07:03 mircea_popescu: HelpPlease prolly hasn't propagated yet, give it a little.

21:07:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nothing like the exercise in archaeology that reading in the original is for modern en speakers.

21:07:27 xanthyos: sorry the sentence fragment "*was* resolved between now and..." caused a temporal causality grammar glitch

21:07:49 asciilifeform: do we have a german here?

21:07:55 asciilifeform: afaik, they have it even better.

21:07:56 xanthyos: nein

21:09:19 HelpPlease: ok, i'll give it some more time

21:09:43 jurov: how better? they must learn to remember everything till the verb comes?

21:10:04 mircea_popescu: lol

21:10:05 thickasthieves: hehe

21:10:22 asciilifeform: jurov: better in the sense that there was a contemporary translation that is still largely readable to modern germans without an archaeological bent.

21:10:48 mircea_popescu: modern english (ie, shakespeare's writ) is readable to

21:10:50 cazalla: mircea_popescu, ddos back? i see static page on qntra again

21:10:53 mircea_popescu: LITERATE english speakers today

21:10:56 mircea_popescu: cazalla myeah.

21:11:12 thickasthieves: mp is liability to qntra

21:11:14 thickasthieves: lol

21:11:33 thickasthieves: leaves a wake of dos

21:12:18 mircea_popescu: just means it hurts.

21:12:32 thickasthieves: thats how you know its workin

21:12:33 jurov: were there any threats?

21:12:47 mircea_popescu: yeah, i think qntra is threatening.

21:13:11 jurov: i mean, some word from perps. or it's "just because".

21:13:25 mircea_popescu: how would you verify it anyway

21:13:37 mircea_popescu: but no, some guy claiming he;'s goat and hates bing

21:13:41 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo*

21:13:57 dossierddosser: Hey i ddos u!

21:14:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has steady haters ?!

21:14:06 BingoBoingo: Wait, to my knowledge goat doesn't hate me!

21:14:13 mircea_popescu: dude i dunno.

21:14:16 mircea_popescu: !s fuck you

21:14:16 assbot: 1273 results for 'fuck you' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=fuck+you

21:14:22 mircea_popescu: ahem.

21:14:51 mircea_popescu: !s inclusive

21:14:52 assbot: 32 results for 'inclusive' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=inclusive

21:15:16 mircea_popescu: and i bet you 90% of those are actually correct uses of the term, as opposed to the common derpage.

21:16:18 ThickAsThieves: that search returns for 'inclusion' too

21:16:23 ThickAsThieves: what is it, smart or something?

21:16:40 mircea_popescu: trying to pad the numbers!

21:16:48 mircea_popescu: 1273:32 is pretty drastic anyway

21:17:40 ThickAsThieves: it's the inclusive search tool

21:18:37 ThickAsThieves: bitpay's bitcoin bowl is exclusively available to buy tix with btc first

21:18:41 ThickAsThieves: not bad

21:18:42 jurov: !s social cohesion

21:18:43 assbot: 0 results for 'social cohesion' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=social+cohesion

21:19:13 ThickAsThieves: !s exclusive

21:19:13 assbot: 161 results for 'exclusive' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=exclusive

21:19:42 ThickAsThieves: yep, it's inclusive of exclusion

21:20:42 asciilifeform: re: ddos:

21:20:46 asciilifeform: anyone remember 'hashcash' ?

21:21:02 asciilifeform: or generally, the era when 'proof of work' meant anti-ddos schemes?

21:21:55 asciilifeform: one of my first experiences playing with btc was an attempt to make my ddosers... mine.

21:22:02 asciilifeform: (no, wasn't good for much)

21:23:34 mircea_popescu: it's really an idiot's game

21:23:40 asciilifeform: yes.

21:24:11 asciilifeform: but the fact of ddos still being a thing at all, reveals catastrophically broken design at large.

21:24:21 mircea_popescu: yea

21:24:46 kakobrekla: !up mechtronic2001

21:25:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.11958355 = 2.9896 BTC [+] {8}

21:26:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: picture a future net where something akin to wot is baked into the basic routing mechanism. so, a billion derps can make a request and there will be no transmission back until all the actual people get what they came for. etc.

21:27:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ted nelson wanted to accomplish something like this, in his '60s-present concept

21:27:38 asciilifeform: except, i think, he wanted to use money as the filter.

21:28:37 mircea_popescu: !s whitelist

21:28:37 assbot: 47 results for 'whitelist' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=whitelist

21:28:43 mircea_popescu: basically... it's a thing lol

21:28:51 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/15/6982049/hbo-go-will-offer-standalone-subscription-2015

21:28:52 assbot: HBO is finally going to let you watch its shows without cable | The Verge

21:29:00 ThickAsThieves: cable is fukt now

21:29:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 85 @ 0.13693914 = 11.6398 BTC [+] {8}

21:29:19 mats_cd03: on the subject of reproducing this bitfetch thing

21:29:30 ThickAsThieves: yesssss

21:29:30 mats_cd03: where should i host the front- and back-end so i dont get vanned

21:29:46 mats_cd03: currently residing in the US so thats a concern for me

21:29:52 ThickAsThieves: i cant help othe than to say, ask pankkake

21:30:22 fluffypony: if there are any -asseters that are in Los Angeleeez, Las Vegas, or near-ish Utah, the wife and I will be in LA from Oct 28th to Nov 2nd, and then Utah/Las Vegas from Nov 2nd to Nov 17th

21:30:33 mats_cd03: ;;later tell pankkake http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#876318

21:30:34 assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 21:29:19; mats_cd03: on the subject of reproducing this bitfetch thing

21:30:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:30:34 asciilifeform: whitelist << http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/HardSecurity

21:30:35 jurov: mats_cd03: i can ask around

21:30:36 fluffypony: would love to grab a beer or a food

21:30:44 asciilifeform: 'HardSecurity is like rock. It's strong until broken, when it shatters into unrepairable pieces.'

21:30:48 mats_cd03: jurov: thx qt

21:32:48 asciilifeform: http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002752.html << thanks to diametric

21:32:48 assbot: Bob and Alice Discover a Mac OPSEC Issue - F-Secure Weblog : News from the Lab

21:33:11 asciilifeform: ^ everyone is probably familiar with the turds apple's os drops on fat32 file systems when writing

21:33:26 asciilifeform: but, interesting twists.

21:33:48 mats_cd03: i am now counting down til 'poodle' gets leveraged into active remote exploitation

21:34:01 mike_c: ThickAsThieves: the answer. http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/how-much-is-a-share-of-sqntr-worth/

21:34:02 assbot: How much is a share of S.QNTR worth? - Btc Alpha

21:34:05 asciilifeform: incidentally:

21:34:09 mats_cd03: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#875081 << dis

21:34:10 assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 14:34:08; mats_cd03: they could be used for remote exploitation, e.g. non-browser, non-document things

21:34:12 asciilifeform: try this on for size

21:34:39 asciilifeform: various sec flaws being 'hangout' leaks is a hypothesis compatible with their continued active exploitation by their authors (usg)

21:34:52 mats_cd03: 'hangout' ?

21:35:00 asciilifeform: the script k1dd13z provide a diversionary smoke screen for the actual jobs.

21:35:04 asciilifeform: !s hangout

21:35:05 assbot: 34 results for 'hangout' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hangout

21:35:26 asciilifeform: hangout is what an organized leak (of genuine info or otherwise) is called in the english world.

21:35:43 mats_cd03: you making fun of me cause i'm from hk?

21:35:55 asciilifeform: no idea what it's called there

21:36:21 asciilifeform: where i'm from, it's деза. (дезинформация).

21:36:40 asciilifeform: not, contrary to popular belief, the same as an ordinary lie.

21:42:31 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/how-much-is-a-share-of-sqntr-worth/

21:48:45 ThickAsThieves: lol mike_c I appreciate the work, but i'm not sure it covers my concern

21:49:06 ThickAsThieves: being that you had to make up numbers AND timelines

21:49:19 ThickAsThieves: my concern is that they won't sync

21:49:53 ThickAsThieves: it's a wildly risky stock to buy

21:50:14 ThickAsThieves: i'm not even sure the risk reward is there at all

21:51:03 ThickAsThieves: 1 scenario doesnt illustrate much

21:51:33 cazalla: damn it, have a post ready to go :\

21:52:18 ThickAsThieves: make a qntra ticker bot

21:52:25 ThickAsThieves: well not ticker

21:52:33 ThickAsThieves: but a bot that can pm articles

21:53:03 ThickAsThieves: like when mpex is down, we can still trade

21:53:15 cazalla: if i could do that, i probably wouldn't be doing qntra

21:53:41 asciilifeform: cazalla: what would you be doing instead?

21:54:38 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Who's to say there won't at some point be a "numbers station" that broadcasts Qntra?

21:55:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why numbers? read it like normal radio station

21:56:24 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I was just imagining RSS done right over the radio.

21:56:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you were probably thinking of blockchain-over-shortwave ?

21:57:02 BingoBoingo: I've thought about that too.

21:57:08 jurov: <ThickAsThieves> like when mpex is down, we can still trade << this was actually my intention with the receipts. but it isn't worth it

21:57:30 cazalla: asciilifeform, who knows, i'm just saying if i could write a bot, i'd be doing other things, i cannot so i write news, nothing wrong with that

21:57:59 ThickAsThieves: bots that were meant to be have a way of appearing over time

21:59:05 BingoBoingo: Ah, qntra is throwing me 403's nao

21:59:05 ThickAsThieves: i hate fucking taxes

21:59:28 ThickAsThieves: but they sure like fucking me

21:59:38 cazalla: but hey, it was only june i was complaining i couldn't contribute anything here so things change http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2014#729660

21:59:40 assbot: Logged on 23-06-2014 05:29:19; cazalla: little to contribute, much to learn - how does that sit with others who have come to that realisation here?

22:00:04 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Amazing how learning creates opportunities

22:00:04 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

22:00:08 ThickAsThieves: cazalla, hey i'm same still

22:00:25 ThickAsThieves: no one's kicked me out yet

22:03:52 BingoBoingo: !up jacoblyles

22:03:56 BingoBoingo: !up dnaleor

22:06:23 jurov: /fireban ThickAsThieves

22:06:36 ThickAsThieves: was waiting for it

22:07:53 asciilifeform: http://www.beachpackagingdesign.com/wp/2014/04/hollow-nickels-roach-motels.html << historical interest

22:07:53 assbot: Hollow Nickels & Roach Motels | Box VoxBox Vox

22:09:48 BingoBoingo: DOSbait https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2088279700/the-egg-if-you-care-about-it-then-egg-it

22:09:49 assbot: The Egg | If you care about it, then Egg it! by Eggcyte — Kickstarter

22:11:27 asciilifeform: if you care about it, fertilize it

22:11:29 asciilifeform: snore.

22:11:40 BingoBoingo: lol

22:12:37 BingoBoingo: But seriously is there any justification for the current design of the US nickle other than as a thing to hollow?

22:13:09 asciilifeform: hollowed coins, as pointed out in the article, are old hat.

22:13:52 ThickAsThieves: i leave all coin change with cashier

22:13:53 BingoBoingo: Very, but few offer the depth a nickle does.

22:14:30 asciilifeform: given the fate of usd, the small coins continue to circulate largely through inertia of neglect.

22:14:33 BingoBoingo: I mean sure you can hollow peace or eisenhower dollars, but those are going to get examined anyways

22:14:51 asciilifeform: i.e. it would cost usg more to actively remove penny, nickel, dime, from circulation, than anyone stands to gain thereby.

22:16:07 BingoBoingo: !up jespern

22:16:12 BingoBoingo: Hello jespern

22:19:36 BingoBoingo: !up kermit

22:27:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hollow coins in real life fool no one if examined individually - given the way they are made, the ruse is quite obvious when seen from the edge.

22:27:16 asciilifeform: (where the milling - invention of sir newton... is.)

22:27:38 asciilifeform: this, incidentally, is why nickel.

22:29:30 asciilifeform: (for non-usa folks, a nickel is a five cent coin, having a smooth edge.)

22:32:09 punkman: proper way is to place the cut on the inside of raised edge, can do with most coins

22:33:03 asciilifeform: at any rate, there isn't room for any locking mechanism, really

22:33:13 asciilifeform: if someone suspects a diddled coin, and one is there, it will be found.

22:35:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what is this meatballs bs ?

22:39:40 asciilifeform: ?

22:39:43 mircea_popescu: !up TheBroker

22:40:09 TheBroker: ;;gpg eauth TheBroker

22:40:09 gribble: Request successful for user TheBroker, hostmask TheBroker!bec3cce4@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AB7FCD6D06C6433

22:40:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it hits the uncanny valley for me

22:40:28 asciilifeform: wai which

22:40:44 asciilifeform: the drilled coins?

22:41:22 TheBroker: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ae4145a7ad211207477f1ecfa321f6e2b0f42eb8f763f6fa29b4904d

22:41:23 gribble: You are now authenticated for user TheBroker with key 2AB7FCD6D06C6433

22:41:25 mircea_popescu: http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/HardSecurity

22:41:28 asciilifeform: aha

22:41:28 mircea_popescu: seems to be some sort of wiki

22:41:29 asciilifeform: that

22:41:36 asciilifeform: it isn't a wiki in the usual sense

22:41:40 asciilifeform: more of a forum gizmo

22:41:42 asciilifeform: from long ago.

22:41:53 asciilifeform: wiki-shaped.

22:41:56 mircea_popescu: roughtly reads to me like a disertation on surgery written by waiters next to the hospital on the basis of what they overheard during their jobs would read if i were a surgeon

22:42:05 mircea_popescu: aka, uncanny valley

22:42:08 asciilifeform: there are a few interesting gibblets in there.

22:43:29 asciilifeform: mostly of zoological interest, yes.

22:47:46 BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz

22:48:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00074038 = 5.5529 BTC [+]

22:48:40 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: hollow coins in real life fool no one if examined individually - given the way they are made, the ruse is quite obvious when seen from the edge. << Takes visual inspection though.

22:48:49 asciilifeform: or a fall.

22:49:52 BingoBoingo: Maybe have a few "hollow" nickles, pack with proper density grease, soon you demand hours of inspector's time as they pour over pounds of nickles looking for an interestign one.

22:50:27 asciilifeform: nah, they put them through a bank's coin sorter

22:50:33 BingoBoingo: Maybe there's 8 hollow nickles. 5 have just grease, 3 have porn

22:50:35 asciilifeform: see which ones come out under/overweight of jam machine.

22:50:36 asciilifeform: *or

22:51:02 asciilifeform: these things probably do electrical impedance / and/or acoustic profile.

22:51:09 asciilifeform: (these days)

22:51:23 asciilifeform: see also the tungsten-cored gold bars thread

22:51:30 BingoBoingo: Sure, but inspectors use MS Excel

22:51:37 asciilifeform: depends which inspectors.

22:51:50 bounce: wallet inspectors

22:52:01 BingoBoingo: Well, not mint inspectors, but local county mounties sure

22:52:06 BingoBoingo: !up Freen0deAdmin

22:52:09 Freen0deAdmin: whats up

22:52:15 BingoBoingo: Ebola

22:52:18 asciilifeform: the point of a gambit such as drilled coin is to avoid being noticed.

22:52:26 Freen0deAdmin: god caused ebola

22:52:41 cazalla: good luck ebola!

22:52:42 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> the point of a gambit such as drilled coin is to avoid being noticed. << Nah, you drill some coins to force a search for more of the same

22:52:48 Freen0deAdmin: whats the purpose of this bitcoin room?

22:53:08 BingoBoingo: Freen0deAdmin: Destroying contemporary Western ethos

22:53:34 Freen0deAdmin: why do some names have a color next to them?

22:53:52 ThickAsThieves: because racism

22:53:53 BingoBoingo: Freen0deAdmin: I suspect you are no kind of admin...

22:53:55 bounce: look up "colour temperature" some time

22:54:03 Freen0deAdmin: its a joke

22:54:05 Freen0deAdmin: -_-

22:54:10 bounce: racist body radiation

22:54:36 BingoBoingo: Freen0deAdmin: Are you also reddit police?

22:54:39 Freen0deAdmin: i demand to be an op in this room?

22:54:43 Freen0deAdmin: no

22:54:58 bounce: !down Freen0deAdmin

22:55:09 ThickAsThieves: +1

22:56:57 BingoBoingo: !up kyuupichan

22:57:55 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#876454 << amen

22:57:56 assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 22:52:26; Freen0deAdmin: god caused ebola

22:58:05 BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney

22:58:10 BingoBoingo: !up TheClitCommander

22:58:15 mpmcsweeney: danke

22:58:30 asciilifeform: ;;google the cause and cure of earthquakes

22:58:31 gribble: Sermon 129 - The Cause And Cure Of Earthquakes - The Wesley ...: http://wesley.nnu.edu/john-wesley/the-sermons-of-john-wesley-1872-edition/sermon-129-the-cause-and-cure-of-earthquakes/; Charles Wesley on 'The cause and cure of earthquakes ...: http://methodistthinker.com/2011/03/14/charles-wesley-cause-and-cure-of-earthquakes/; John Wesley, Earthquakes and God's Providence - (1 more message)

22:58:40 BingoBoingo: TheClitCommander: Y U steal my side gig?

22:58:54 mpmcsweeney: qntra down?

22:59:05 BingoBoingo: * TheClitCommander (~Thomas196@c-24-34-9-201.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets

22:59:21 BingoBoingo: * Freen0deAdmin (~Thomas196@c-24-34-9-201.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets

23:01:01 asciilifeform: ;;google poeme sur le desastre de lisbonne

23:01:01 gribble: Poème sur le désastre de Lisbonne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Po%C3%A8me_sur_le_d%C3%A9sastre_de_Lisbonne; Toleration and other essays/Poem on the Lisbon Disaster - Wikisource: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Toleration_and_other_essays/Poem_on_the_Lisbon_Disaster; Le séisme de Lisbonne (Portugal) en 1756 Polémique ... - Euromedina: (1 more message)

23:01:38 BingoBoingo: !up Kansascity

23:01:38 asciilifeform: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Toleration_and_other_essays/Poem_on_the_Lisbon_Disaster << englisch

23:01:38 assbot: Toleration and other essays/Poem on the Lisbon Disaster - Wikisource, the free online library

23:01:54 BingoBoingo: Kansascity: Scroll up?

23:02:26 BingoBoingo: !up blast

23:02:47 Kansascity: BingoBoingo, ?

23:02:55 BingoBoingo: Oh * JerryFish (~HDMIVGA@c-24-34-9-201.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets << has interest in this channe

23:03:08 mpmcsweeney: gg http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-15/did-obama-just-raise-ebola-threat-level

23:03:09 assbot: Did Obama Just Raise The Ebola Threat Level? | Zero Hedge

23:03:21 asciilifeform: wait is this 'amd celeron' , 'miowmix', etc ?

23:03:34 asciilifeform: (the former, a very special trololol)

23:03:54 bounce: a dead russian?

23:04:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Whover it is... Persistent

23:05:48 BingoBoingo: Kansascity: How about those royals?

23:06:15 Kansascity: we won!

23:06:25 Kansascity: KC is just the cinderella team though

23:07:18 BingoBoingo: I hope for another I-70 series

23:07:46 BingoBoingo: Oh, the Royal did win the pennant

23:08:00 Kansascity: yeah just now

23:09:40 BingoBoingo: Lorde must be happy. She named that song after George Brett

23:12:47 asciilifeform: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-15/second-ebola-infected-nurse-identified-was-symptomatic-995-degree-fever-while-flying

23:12:47 assbot: Second Ebola-Infected Nurse Identified, Was Symptomatic With 99.5 Degree Fever While Flying | Zero Hedge

23:13:52 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By this time next month Amtrack business will be booming. US air travel is on its way out.

23:14:25 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as if trains will not fall under same bureaucracy if the fuhrer wishes it.

23:14:30 BingoBoingo: I mean we are nearly upon Flu season when everyone will have fevers

23:14:57 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: as if trains will not fall under same bureaucracy if the fuhrer wishes it. << No, being under the same bureaucracy is why the trains will run.

23:15:05 BingoBoingo: Like Atlas Shrugged in reverse

23:15:07 asciilifeform: run until not.

23:15:28 BingoBoingo: https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5603/15540852401_3d04760300_b.jpg

23:15:39 mpmcsweeney: theyve already begun panic-removing people from planes

23:15:52 mpmcsweeney: wait til the sick season hits public schools

23:16:58 xanthyos: hi

23:17:53 ThickAsThieves: lol NFLX down 26% afterhours

23:18:15 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: You see what happened in Bonds today?

23:18:30 ThickAsThieves: i dont normally watch em

23:18:39 ThickAsThieves: but lets of red all over

23:18:41 BingoBoingo: Maybe take a look at it

23:18:57 BingoBoingo: Bigger change than Lehman or Atta begat

23:20:40 ThickAsThieves: 10yr 1.865 yield