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Transcript for 16-01-2015, 1078 lines:

00:00:51 *: cazalla waves fists at scoopbot

00:00:53 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/its-easy-to-call-us-a-tiny-minority-when-you-engage-in-vote-manipulation/

00:00:53 assbot: It's Easy To Call Us A Tiny Minority When You Engage In Vote Manipulation | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1y3d8Xc )

00:02:28 mircea_popescu: easy, but unproductive.

00:02:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg << 'influential' in the sense of perfect position for slow and subtle shitgnomification of various protocols

00:02:43 assbot: Active IETF Working Groups ... ( http://bit.ly/1y3dxZs )

00:03:50 asciilifeform: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/cfrg/current/msg03554.html << for n00bs

00:03:51 assbot: [Cfrg] Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair ... ( http://bit.ly/1y3dJbg )

00:05:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't know anyone is actually using their protocols for serious work anymore than anyone'd be using the foundation crapolade for any serious work.

00:05:34 assbot: xiando +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

00:06:49 thestringpuller: Dr. Popescu

00:07:01 mircea_popescu: It was a driving, vigorous, restless population in those days. It was a curious population. It was the only population of the kind that the world has ever seen gathered together, and it is not likely that the world will ever see its like again. For observe, it was an assemblage of two hundred thousand young men?not simpering, dainty, kid-gloved weaklings, but stalwart, muscular, dauntless young braves, brimful of pus

00:07:01 mircea_popescu: h and energy, and royally endowed with every attribute that goes to make up a peerless and magnificent manhood?the very pick and choice of the world's glorious ones. No women, no children, no gray and stooping veterans,?none but erect, bright-eyed, quick-moving, strong-handed young giants?the strangest population, the finest population, the most gallant host that ever trooped down the startled solitudes of an unp

00:07:02 mircea_popescu: eopled land. And where are they now? Scattered to the ends of the earth?or prematurely aged and decrepit?or shot or stabbed in street affrays?or dead of disappointed hopes and broken hearts?all gone, or nearly all?victims devoted upon the altar of the golden calf?the noblest holocaust that ever wafted its sacrificial incense heavenward. It is pitiful to think upon.

00:07:03 Apocalyptic: cazalla, "That that article"

00:07:07 mircea_popescu: It was a splendid population?for all the slow, sleepy, sluggish-brained sloths staid at home?you never find that sort of people among pioneers?you cannot build pioneers out of that sort of material. It was that population that gave to California a name for getting up astounding enterprises and rushing them through with a magnificent dash and daring and a recklessness of cost or consequences, which she bears unto

00:07:14 mircea_popescu: this day?and when she projects a new surprise, the grave world smiles as usual, and says "Well, that is California all over."

00:07:17 mircea_popescu: check it out! i found what vc's are trying to live off today! a ~150 year old corpse!

00:07:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 396 @ 0.00676765 = 2.68 BTC [+] {6}

00:08:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 400 @ 0.00676947 = 2.7078 BTC [+] {6}

00:08:09 cazalla: Apocalyptic, reads OK to me

00:08:42 mircea_popescu: PeterL ppl's be bitching bout scoopbot all day. wha happened ?

00:09:03 PeterL: dunno, seems it lost its connection to irc

00:09:20 PeterL: TomServo here?

00:11:01 Apocalyptic: myeah, altought it's not the most fortunate sentence construction

00:11:51 ben_vulpes: http://internet.gawker.com/silk-road-trial-defense-says-mt-gox-ceo-is-the-real-d-1679786377/+maxread << (internet.gawker.com???)

00:11:52 assbot: Silk Road Trial: Defense Says Mt. Gox CEO Is the Real Drug Lord  ... ( http://bit.ly/1E5JTnh )

00:12:19 mircea_popescu: they revolutionized the www

00:12:21 mircea_popescu: such lulz

00:12:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 174 @ 0.00699999 = 1.218 BTC [+] {6}

00:13:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 185 @ 0.00699999 = 1.295 BTC [+] {6}

00:14:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 178 @ 0.00699999 = 1.246 BTC [+] {6}

00:14:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 166 @ 0.00699999 = 1.162 BTC [+] {5}

00:21:08 Apocalyptic: "Der-Yeghiayan testified that his own investigation had found that Mutum Sigilum, a Karpeles holding company, had registered silkroadmarket.org as a means to publicize the site further."

00:22:58 mircea_popescu: Something very important happened. The property holders of Nevada voted against the State Constitution; but the folks who had nothing to lose were in the majority, and carried the measure over their heads. But after all it did not immediately look like a disaster, though unquestionably it was one I hesitated, calculated the chances, and then concluded not to sell. Stocks went on rising; speculation went mad; bankers, m

00:22:58 mircea_popescu: erchants, lawyers, doctors, mechanics, laborers, even the very washerwomen and servant girls, were putting up their earnings on silver stocks, and every sun that rose in the morning went down on paupers enriched and rich men beggared. What a gambling carnival it was! Gould and Curry soared to six thousand three hundred dollars a foot! And then?all of a sudden, out went the bottom and everything and everybody went to

00:22:59 mircea_popescu: ruin and destruction! The wreck was complete.

00:23:01 mircea_popescu: The bubble scarcely left a microscopic moisture behind it. I was an early beggar and a thorough one. My hoarded stocks were not worth the paper they were printed on. I threw them all away. I, the cheerful idiot that had been squandering money like water, and thought myself beyond the reach of misfortune, had not now as much as fifty dollars when I gathered together my various debts and paid them. I removed from the hot

00:23:06 mircea_popescu: el to a very private boarding house. I took a reporter's berth and went to work. I was not entirely broken in spirit, for I was building confidently on the sale of the silver mine in the east. But I could not hear from Dan. My letters miscarried or were not answered.

00:23:17 mircea_popescu: what a fortunate thing it is that in bitcoin, unlike in the united states, men with no means have no vote.

00:26:01 thestringpuller: stop disenfranching the poor mircea_popescu

00:26:58 mircea_popescu: im not disenfranchising them. i merely don't value their arbitrary enfranchisement more than i value a paper fixing new orbits for the solar system.

00:28:26 thestringpuller: but don't you want more adoption?!?

00:28:49 PeterL: when they adopt bitcoin they gets some say

00:32:23 TomServo: PeterL: Allo

00:32:28 PeterL: allo

00:33:17 PeterL: you say you might be able to help with hosting scoopbot?

00:33:30 TomServo: Sure

00:46:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00042932 = 11.7204 BTC [+] {3}

00:46:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00042932 = 11.7204 BTC [+] {3}

00:50:27 thestringpuller: !b 4

00:50:28 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3AZFKA2.txt )

01:02:19 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/johndalton/status/555825090168762368

01:02:20 assbot: "Some people think I'm nice & are shocked when they find out different. I'm not a nice person, & I don't care about you." --Linus /hashtag/lca2015?src=hash

01:03:59 mircea_popescu: guy gets it.

01:15:42 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/what-does-desperation-look-like/

01:15:50 mircea_popescu: o wb scoopbot

01:15:56 mircea_popescu: PeterL wha was the issue with it ?

01:16:07 PeterL: I'm still trying to figure out

01:16:39 PeterL: yesterday my host went down, not sure why bot stopped today

01:16:53 PeterL: I'm going to try hacking in an autorestart again

01:17:04 mircea_popescu: if you can use cpanel i can set you up momentarily.

01:17:23 PeterL: oh?

01:17:32 mircea_popescu: sure ?

01:17:41 mircea_popescu: all you gotta do is ask and generally, explain what the problems are you know.

01:19:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31187 @ 0.00042338 = 13.204 BTC [-]

01:19:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31187 @ 0.00042338 = 13.204 BTC [-]

01:19:24 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: seems to work better as time goes on and more resources are available :P

01:19:35 thestringpuller: except sleep

01:19:40 thestringpuller: can't seem to get enough of that

01:19:45 mircea_popescu: :)

01:20:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00042064 = 2.2084 BTC [-]

01:20:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00042064 = 2.2084 BTC [-]

01:29:26 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: i'm addicted to docker

01:29:33 thestringpuller: trying to learn how to run supervisord

01:57:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00042143 = 9.0607 BTC [+] {2}

01:57:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00042143 = 9.0607 BTC [+] {2}

01:58:40 asciilifeform: 'fun' discovery of the day. freebsd 'tmpfs' created under kernel built with gcc will not be mounted by kernel built with llvm.

01:59:23 asciilifeform: this is (almost certainly, i did not check but it seems like a no-brainer) on account of those parts of c which are not in fact standardized in any meaningful way (e.g., 'pragmas' for struct and bitfield layout)

02:00:05 asciilifeform: ergo llvm is a piece of shit, though it works and is internally consistent (presumably) - by the same logic, i would argue, as 'gavincoin' is a spurious turd

02:00:46 asciilifeform: in that it presents as meeting a certain set of expectations, which are violated six times every morning before breakfast, and rest assured the authors will say 'no matter'

02:02:05 asciilifeform: incidentally, this is an issue first documented in (afaik, at least as early as) 2011, and remains unpatched. because actually fixing would require that one side 'surrender'

02:02:14 asciilifeform: i.e., accept the layouts of the other.

02:02:49 asciilifeform: very interestingly, there is scarcely any discussion of this matter on the net, besides two or three single-paragraph forum posts.

02:10:21 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: no!

02:10:24 ben_vulpes: no supervisord

02:10:31 ben_vulpes: one process per container

02:10:40 ben_vulpes: docker run -d to daemonize the proc in container

02:10:49 BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz

02:11:26 moldysnizz: Well, hi there.

02:13:34 BingoBoingo: !up mike_c

02:13:48 mike_c: down, down! first time in forever i can auth myself :)

02:14:09 BingoBoingo: !down mike_c

02:14:21 mike_c: ah, nice to have all the robots back.

02:25:47 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/olivierjanss/status/555889044618346498

02:25:49 assbot: I have black on white proof of Mark Karpeles making multiple death threats against an ex-employee. So does Japanese police. /hashtag/RossUlbricht?src=hash

02:27:44 ben_vulpes: (black and white, but whatever)

02:28:11 BingoBoingo: Make be the proof really is black on white.

02:28:57 Apocalyptic: funny thing

02:29:04 Apocalyptic: "<mtgox555> [03:19:56] Ashley Barr is a guy who worked at MtGox who lived in (White Rock) Vancouver. DPR is quoted to wanting a guy in White Rock murdered"

02:30:39 BingoBoingo: o.O

02:31:57 Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, he's french

02:32:20 ben_vulpes: shitty excuse if you ask me

02:32:24 Apocalyptic: probably a literal translation of "noir sur blanc" as the idiomatic expression goes

02:32:46 ben_vulpes: no but you see american english is the only english

02:33:25 Apocalyptic: you're a language terrorist nao ?

02:33:54 cazalla: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, sent each of you an email

02:47:22 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'pragmas' for struct and bitfield layout << struct fo sho

02:48:25 mircea_popescu: cool deal cazalla

02:55:47 mircea_popescu: PeterL: X-Failed-Recipients: peter-at-btcscoop.com

02:56:12 mircea_popescu: otherwise, http://pastebin.com/t9UKJGfx

02:56:13 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) hQQOAy/yVjmzb - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bzjw9R )

03:02:59 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/a_greenberg/status/555869373764608002

03:03:01 assbot: By the way, here's my 2013 interview with Silk Road's DPR that the DHS told a judge "sounds very much like Karpeles" http://t.co/ZFOtAXLbXL

03:03:03 BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski

03:04:15 pete_dushenski: thx!

03:05:31 thestringpuller: yay for canadians

03:05:52 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: south park-ified would have an egg head lol

03:06:01 thestringpuller: "canadian head" like ike

03:06:04 pete_dushenski: the ponziest of lands!

03:06:30 pete_dushenski: stupid chf! thx for blowing our cover guise!

03:06:51 mircea_popescu: well... you got a pension system right ? just like the us ?

03:06:56 mircea_popescu: that's a ponzi right there.

03:07:11 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller now there would be a caricature :)

03:07:23 pete_dushenski: pension and then some

03:07:34 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/01/linus-torvalds-on-why-he-isnt-nice-i-dont-care-about-you/

03:07:35 assbot: Linus Torvalds on why he isn’t nice: “I don’t care about you” | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1ub3rRp )

03:08:35 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu so naturally the fees on canada's pension scheme have been escalating of late. it was once 1% of income, now up to 4% or something

03:08:47 *: mircea_popescu not about to click on more arstechnica etc. qntra or bust.

03:10:24 joecool: BingoBoingo: put it up again in a week when buzzfeed gets it

03:11:04 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/15/knowing-when-to-head-for-the-exits-is-how-the-rich-stay-rich/

03:11:05 assbot: Knowing when to head for the exits is how the rich stay rich. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ub3Int )

03:12:05 BingoBoingo: !up btcgrok

03:12:09 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski best header so far.

03:12:11 mircea_popescu: by far.

03:12:35 mircea_popescu: make VEX allcaps ultrathick.

03:12:58 mircea_popescu: and get rid of that idiotic one inch white atop the header.

03:13:06 pete_dushenski: the colour pops eh? but ya, the "vex" is too quiet...

03:13:16 decimation: asciilifeform: what does it mean that Dr. Wertheimer decided to post his 'apology' in the AMS journal?

03:15:21 asciilifeform: decimation: nsa is the largest employer of folks with any type of maths degree in usa.

03:15:36 asciilifeform: decimation: whether this constitutes 'meaning' - i do not know.

03:16:16 decimation: so this is a tacit admission that they can't hire anymore?

03:16:40 ben_vulpes: http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-problem-falcon9-crash-landing-2015-1 << why are hydraulic actuators losing fluid?

03:16:42 assbot: SpaceX Problem Falcon9 Crash Landing - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1ub4fWp )

03:16:45 asciilifeform: decimation: unlikely

03:17:05 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes bad gaskets ?

03:17:29 ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/554023312033341440 << engineering?

03:17:30 assbot: /alankerlin Hydraulics are usually closed, but that adds mass vs short acting open systems. F9 fins only work for 4 mins. We were ~10% off.

03:17:38 ben_vulpes: if you have to carry the shit use on the way down, why...

03:17:45 ben_vulpes: perhaps the add'l costs of sealed systems?

03:18:33 ben_vulpes: grid fins are interesting.

03:18:58 decimation: actually if the rocket lands 'face up', won't the fins be facing the 'wrong way'?

03:19:05 decimation: seems like you would want vectored thrust

03:19:11 ben_vulpes: these fins are at the top of the stage.

03:19:21 decimation: ah interesting

03:19:29 ben_vulpes: passively stable control problem.

03:20:15 ben_vulpes: decimation: i think they *do* have vectored thrust, but the relight operation is risky and adds complexity to reentry trajectory.

03:20:59 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: docker is like being a kid at christmas all over again

03:21:06 thestringpuller: what base image do you use for python apps?

03:21:37 ben_vulpes: debian:6

03:21:38 ben_vulpes: (hue)

03:21:46 ben_vulpes: ubuntu, typically.

03:21:57 ben_vulpes: if biting off the braindamage, why not eat all layers of the cake.

03:22:01 decimation: ben_vulpes: ah, it seems they also have external retrorockets

03:22:10 decimation: probably solid fuel

03:22:21 ben_vulpes: decimation: "probably" << based on what?

03:22:41 ben_vulpes: SRBs are not (afaik) extinguishable, relightable or throttleable.

03:22:52 ben_vulpes: this leaves you with vectoring which is...not really enough for the task at hand.

03:23:21 decimation: from your article: "In September 2013, SpaceX successfully fired boosters as the rocket fell to Earth, slowing it down so it could land softly."

03:23:31 decimation: so I interpret 'boosters' as 'external retro packs'

03:23:37 decimation: but the guy who wrote it could be a 'tard

03:24:15 ben_vulpes: decimation: which link?

03:24:22 decimation: the businessinsider article

03:24:43 ben_vulpes: hm

03:25:14 ben_vulpes: i'm only seeing two occurences of the string "slow" and neither in the context you quoted.

03:25:14 decimation: oh wait, I"m looking at a different article http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-reuseable-falcon-9-ocean-landing-2014-12

03:25:15 assbot: SpaceX Reuseable Falcon 9 Ocean Landing - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1ub56X3 )

03:25:17 mircea_popescu: of course that'd be exactly opposite of boosting.

03:25:26 ben_vulpes: hush you, it's a sign change.

03:25:30 mircea_popescu: heh.

03:25:30 decimation: indeed

03:25:58 mircea_popescu: npw i finally understand what they mean by boosting the economy.

03:26:00 mircea_popescu: busting.

03:26:02 decimation: http://www.spacex.com/news/2013/10/14/upgraded-falcon-9-mission-overview < that link describes the actual relight sequence for the inital test

03:26:03 assbot: Upgraded Falcon 9 Mission Overview | SpaceX ... ( http://bit.ly/1ub5apI )

03:26:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31863 @ 0.00043105 = 13.7345 BTC [+]

03:26:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31863 @ 0.00043105 = 13.7345 BTC [+]

03:26:35 ben_vulpes: read the linked article, decimation

03:27:04 ben_vulpes: business insider is, unsurprisingly, unable to parse straightforward rocket engineering reports.

03:27:20 ben_vulpes: a) not a booster

03:27:40 ben_vulpes: b) leave britney alone

03:29:08 mircea_popescu: i dunno why you ppls keep reading/linking this crud, srsly. they're broken, we know they're broken... i guess it's decent comedy

03:29:27 ben_vulpes: who's broken? what's broken?

03:29:34 mircea_popescu: business outsider.

03:29:52 mircea_popescu: arsderpica.

03:30:01 mircea_popescu: faker. whatever.

03:30:13 ben_vulpes: they do quote reddit as sources now

03:30:28 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: https://github.com/urbit/sample-apps

03:30:30 assbot: urbit/sample-apps · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ub5xk5 )

03:30:34 decimation: lol. yeah I wish I knew wtf this 'leaking fluid' stuff means

03:31:37 ben_vulpes: decimation: i don't think it's "leaking" so much as it's not a traditional "closed" hydraulic system.

03:32:14 ben_vulpes: cursory research indicates that pressurization during powered flight comes from the onboard turbopump and that when not under powered flight there's some pressure reservoir.

03:32:20 ben_vulpes: turns out, pv=nrt is tricky in practice.

03:32:23 ben_vulpes: 10%!

03:33:00 decimation: okay so there's a pre-pressurized tank that is at the top of the rocket, it runs out of pressure after pissing out its fluid

03:33:03 decimation: make seense

03:33:04 mircea_popescu: 10% is skill kind-of a lot.

03:33:25 mircea_popescu: seeing how you could overfill.

03:33:46 decimation: well, the problem is that every ounce of that tank costs $$$

03:35:07 mircea_popescu: generally you can overfill any tankb y 10%

03:35:19 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the urbit samples seem to consist of 'hello world'-style toys

03:35:31 mircea_popescu: what's it gonna do, write its senator about it ?

03:36:23 decimation: asciilifeform: moldbug hasn't make something 'useful' of urbit yet?

03:36:36 undata: what a terrifying syntax

03:36:40 *: decimation tried to run urbit after it was publicized, got tired of the entire world collapsing every other day

03:36:41 asciilifeform: decimation: he made something very useful, from own point of view: a few $mil usd.

03:37:00 decimation: heh. from some theilite?

03:37:56 asciilifeform: decimation: andresen horowitz, iirc

03:38:26 ben_vulpes: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/urbit/sample-apps/master/blazon/app/blazon/core.hook << undata indeed

03:38:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KP4y3x )

03:39:41 undata: holy operator hell

03:40:02 undata: then you'd have to memorize their goofy names for things too

03:40:09 undata: reminds me of the ruby ass-dungeon

03:40:26 ben_vulpes: why this obsession with new programming languages

03:40:46 undata: ben_vulpes: scoreboard bro

03:40:48 asciilifeform: undata: it works quite like, e.g., haskell.

03:41:10 undata: asciilifeform: seemed it was some kind of functional environment, but I can't read it

03:41:33 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mr mold's interest in programming language design, somehow, did not extend to any attempt at self-hosting the apparatus. the bulk of his code, iirc, is in straight c.

03:41:43 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> why this obsession with new programming languages <<< same reason every us chick has had three prior sex partners.

03:41:49 mircea_popescu: even the ones that fuck the whole bar.

03:43:58 mircea_popescu: https://phaven-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/files/image_part/asset/21981/sTmc2SxXQPQwoDH-EhCjHpN7TZM/medium_media_httpiimgurcomVh_gfDco.gif

03:43:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KP57dG )

03:44:36 undata: it's all about getting your goofy pile of shit on HN

03:45:10 *: asciilifeform confesses that he was immediately responsible for getting mr mold's shit onto HN

03:45:29 asciilifeform: the public repo was initially 'secret'

03:45:33 undata: demerit!

03:45:44 undata: heh I don't know, there could be interesting ideas in there; I haven't looked

03:46:31 asciilifeform: there were, in fact, interesting ideas in there. i quietly followed his work for more than a year.

03:47:36 mircea_popescu: http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/ivan-chesnokov.php << guy has a shrine.

03:47:38 assbot: Firearms Philosophy of Ivan Chesnokov ... ( http://bit.ly/1KP5xkl )

03:48:17 decimation: really, moldbug 'needs' at least a few $bil to make hardware

03:49:18 undata: "MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO FUCK YOURSELF IN ASSHOLE" << ahahaha oh god, my sides

03:49:20 *: undata reads the rest

03:49:51 mircea_popescu: WHAT IN FUCK IS DONE TO THIS POOR RIFLE? STUPID HICK AMERICAN WITH TEN GALLON HAT AND GIANT PICKUP TRUCK LOOKS AT PERFECTLY FINE SIMONOV KARBIN AND SAYS "NO, RIFLE NEED MORE DUMB SHIT ON IT"?

03:50:18 mircea_popescu: WHAT IS REASON FOR PISTOL GRIP?

03:50:46 mircea_popescu: that's a good fucking question lmao. sks fired from the hip by teenage boys in rural texas ? no wonder people can't land fucking rockets.

03:52:43 undata: the guy's right about the mosin

03:52:51 undata: mine's still in incredible shape

03:53:26 mircea_popescu: SURE, IS ONLY YUGOSLAV COPY TYPE BUT IS STILL PROUD DESIGN OF SERGEI SIMONOV. THIS IS LIKE SENDING HIM BIRTHDAY CARD WITH SEVERED OFF THUMB OF DAUGHTER IN ENVELOPE. "HAPPY BIRTHDAY SERGEI! I PISS ON ALL YOU CREATE!"

03:53:29 mircea_popescu: i'd like to hire this guy

03:53:36 mircea_popescu: do reddit mpex pr.

03:54:02 mod6: haha

03:55:33 mircea_popescu: hey ivan chesnokov : apply will you. all you need is a gpg sig, you can sit behind 7 proxies for all i care.

03:55:40 mircea_popescu: bitcoin buys many daughter thumb!

04:03:30 BingoBoingo: "YUGOSLAV TYPE HAS SPECIAL GAS TUBE LEVER AND GRENADE SPIGOT ON END OF BARREL. I THINK LIVE GRENADE FOR CIVILIAN IN AMERICA IS PROBABLY ENOUGH REASON FOR GULAG, SO IS PROBABLY NO REAL USE FOR GRENADE SPIGOT TO YOU. "

04:04:10 BingoBoingo: "YOU LOOK FOR NICE SHINE AND GOOD SMOOTH SURFACE. YOU LOOK FOR SHARP EDGE ON RIFLING OF BARREL. YOU NOTICE AND AVOID BARREL IF HAS POCKMARKS LIKE ASS OF FAT GIRL. "

04:04:51 mircea_popescu: he has a good point re the light tho

04:05:00 mircea_popescu: that's how you buy an unknown rifle.

04:06:00 BingoBoingo: Yeah, so much wisdom here/

04:06:10 mircea_popescu: IN RUSSIA WE ALSO HAVE RULES OF COURTING. DO NOT BRING SIDEARM TO FIRST TIME WITH GIRL. SENDS WRONG MESSAGE, THAT YOU ARE BAD CONSCRIPT WHO WILL RAPE GIRL.

04:06:29 mircea_popescu: somehow it seems to me he uses conscript as transliteration of ciolovek

04:06:35 BingoBoingo: ON SECOND TIME MANY DRINKS OF VODKA TO MAKE GIRL WANT FUCK; MATCHING ENOUGH DRINKS MAKES DANGEROUS TO CARRY SIDEARM.

04:07:55 mircea_popescu: dude check it out, the only extant country he actually mentions is romania

04:08:06 mircea_popescu: since no more yugo or motherland.

04:10:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55001 @ 0.00043648 = 24.0068 BTC [+] {4}

04:10:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55001 @ 0.00043648 = 24.0068 BTC [+] {4}

04:11:25 decimation: my dad recently had his kitchen floor rebuilt. the wooden floor carpenters were apparently all romanian

04:12:58 mircea_popescu: i can see it.

04:13:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00043134 = 6.1897 BTC [-]

04:14:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00043134 = 6.1897 BTC [-]

04:14:29 asciilifeform: decimation: mr mold said to be (publicly, iirc) that he is not interested in making hardware.

04:14:53 decimation: that doesn't mean that hardware isn't interested in him!

04:18:23 mircea_popescu: generally the paper revolutionaries looking for a little "investment" tend to make it clear they don't actually wish to rock the boat.

04:20:36 decimation: ;;ticker

04:20:37 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 216.9, Best ask: 217.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 217.0, 24 hour volume: 73997.24940145, 24 hour low: 189.47, 24 hour high: 233.9, 24 hour vwap: 211.842718099

04:22:15 asciilifeform: *said to me

04:28:13 decimation: thestringpuller: you posted http://bitcoinobituaries.com/ a few weeks ago, it's quite amusing

04:28:14 assbot: Bitcoin Obituaries: Following Bitcoin While It Dies & Goes Up in Price ... ( http://bit.ly/14GuTzB )

04:28:41 BingoBoingo: https://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/sacred-cows-the-second-serving/

04:28:44 assbot: sacred cows, the second serving. | the munchkin wrangler. ... ( http://bit.ly/14GuWvb )

04:29:42 mircea_popescu: http://lil-purrfect-femme.tumblr.com/post/85850686448/be-careful-of-switch-rape

04:29:44 assbot: Queen of Feminism — Be Careful of "Switch Rape" ... ( http://bit.ly/14Gv3qB )

04:30:17 mircea_popescu: "So I think I was raped last night?. Or sexually assaulted. I was hooking up with this guy I regularly hook up with since the break up, but I?m not really into him and just kinda want him to satisfy me u know? So we were having sex like usual?. But then he turned me around and began penetrating me from behind ?doggy style.? He kept going. Not ONCE did he ask if it was ok to change positions. What should I do

04:30:18 mircea_popescu: ??! I don?t want him to hate me because I have a crush on his hot friend, but rape is not ok. I let him continue and we both came, but it?s natural to have sensations even when raped. I can?t even think straight anymore idk what to do. Thinking about posting his Facebook here."

04:30:44 mircea_popescu: problem with idiots is that even middlingly executed parody is indistinguishable from their actual creeds.

04:31:24 asciilifeform: 'Twice the recoil of the 9mm for 10% more muzzle energy.' << physics???

04:32:12 mircea_popescu: energy is mv**2 ; impules is mv

04:32:19 mircea_popescu: i imagine he means recoil = impulse

04:33:10 mircea_popescu: thus it's more productive energy-wise to use faster bullets, not larger slower ones.

04:34:26 *: asciilifeform still waiting to hear of man-portable 'light gas' gun.

04:35:16 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/279bef0688fb36857c4be85ada7231e7/tumblr_n5fjx9ePBD1ty7bx2o1_1280.jpg meanwhile.

04:35:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPaBoX )

04:37:03 decimation: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/15/technology/silicon-valley-antitrust-case-settlement-poaching-engineers.html << lol "To head off a trial and the exposure of reams of incriminating emails, Google, Apple, Intel and Adobe — the four remaining defendants — are offering to pay $415 million, according to a person with knowledge of the negotiations." "Last spring, the two sides agreed on $324.5 million. After legal fees, that would

04:37:06 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPaLfO )

04:37:06 decimation: have amounted to a few thousand dollars for each of the 64,000 class members."

04:37:58 mircea_popescu: lol. only half a billion ?

04:38:06 mircea_popescu: but they can spend A TRILLION for a shitty plane, those people ?

04:38:08 decimation: of course, esteemed professors in USG law explain how this is good: Ms. Lobel said. “But it’s a good result in that there has been much media attention to the illegality of such retention practices, real monetary consequences and promises to cease all such practices in the future.”"

04:38:10 mircea_popescu: how come the disparity ?

04:38:28 mircea_popescu: why's google, apple and etc not pay a trillion ? it's just bezzlars anyway.

04:38:45 mircea_popescu: but they're suddenly NOT the same thing if they leave the circuit, are they.

04:38:54 asciilifeform: especially not this way.

04:38:57 decimation: hey little engineer derp! here's $5k for us supressing your wage for a decade - it's cool because the newspapers have said google is bad

04:38:58 mircea_popescu: especially not.

04:39:05 asciilifeform: if apple, google, spend 1000 usd, publicly - think of the stock value

04:39:21 mircea_popescu: yet it was ok for bp to be assessed a trillion.

04:39:26 asciilifeform: think of the punctured illusion of fat industry.

04:39:30 mircea_popescu: because it went from bezzle pocket t obezzle pocket.

04:39:33 decimation: well, bp is bad because oil is bad

04:39:43 mircea_popescu: these magical money that make anyone rich up to the point where they'rer to be spent...

04:40:04 asciilifeform: 'gnomish gold'

04:40:06 mircea_popescu: x company sells for 100 mn. you talk to the founders... they made 50k off the deal.

04:40:07 mircea_popescu: rly ?

04:40:07 asciilifeform: or what was the legend.

04:40:27 mircea_popescu: "yreah, my gf sells romance novels, it was like 3 of her books"

04:40:42 mircea_popescu: "well i guess that's fair, they also sell for 20-30mn"

04:41:02 decimation: mircea_popescu: conversely, it makes 'total sense' for the management of apple or whoever to buy back stock

04:41:21 decimation: curiously they are all compensated directly in stock options & equivilents...

04:41:30 mircea_popescu: doh.

04:41:43 mircea_popescu: buffett explained this scam back when he was still you know, possessed of himself.

04:42:17 mircea_popescu: hire some derp to work your company, pay him by share price, next thing you know he;'s buying up your stock.

04:42:24 mircea_popescu: with your own moneyt

04:42:29 mircea_popescu: and making the %.

04:42:59 decimation: exactly. in the us system it's even worse, given the pervasive nature of index-fund investing by derps with retirements

04:43:44 mircea_popescu: socialistoids of all flavours praise this system of "dilute ownership"

04:43:51 mircea_popescu: because, obviously, it gives no one actual power.

04:43:52 xiando: that bitcoin in commieland is starting to look like a wedge don't it http://btccharts.everdot.org/2015-01-16/wedgey.jpg oh well

04:44:40 decimation: mircea_popescu: it makes the little people feel like they are getting their money's worth, as their stock valuation rises, while the management cashes out

04:44:45 decimation: it's a brillant scam if you can run it

04:44:48 mircea_popescu: hey xiando , translate this to chinese for me http://fraudsters.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/ ?

04:44:48 assbot: If you go on a Bitcoin fork, irrespective which scammer proposes it, you will lose your Bitcoins. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPbAFD )

04:45:19 mircea_popescu: decimation it's as fucking unbriliant as a lump of coal. at the end of the week, instead of having a decent steak and a game of bridge with intellgient people,

04:45:31 mircea_popescu: you're stuck hiding in your gated compound from imaginary niggers.

04:46:50 xiando: I do not speak chinese so sorry

04:47:43 mircea_popescu: oh ? hm, i guess i got confused.

04:58:01 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/a_greenberg/status/555932764965699585

04:58:02 assbot: Judge Forrest ended the first week of the Silk Road trial by reminding the jury not to watch the Princess Bride over the weekend.

04:58:13 mircea_popescu: lol wut ?!

04:58:19 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvbouyUcj41qetcz3o1_500.jpg

04:58:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/14GAztp )

04:59:09 BingoBoingo: The Silk Road Aministrator title is a reference to the plot of that film.

05:00:03 mircea_popescu: yeah but...

05:00:08 mircea_popescu: so what if they do watch it ?

05:00:43 BingoBoingo: They must acquit

05:00:53 mircea_popescu: uh.

05:01:17 mircea_popescu: you know, for an ironclad case the prosecution claims, and for an independence from the state the judge pretends,

05:01:18 BingoBoingo: Because Gox collapsed because the FBI took all of Karpales coins in the silk road bust.

05:01:21 mircea_popescu: these people are pretty fucking worried.

05:01:28 BingoBoingo: Yeah

05:01:55 BingoBoingo: From that julia who stopped by a few times: https://twitter.com/BraveTheWorld/status/555922943868678144

05:01:56 assbot: The trial is going in the favor of defense and they are panicking so we can't give them a reason to anonymize the jury. No signs. No signs.

05:02:26 mircea_popescu: why is she dumb enough to play ball lmao.

05:02:33 mircea_popescu: let them "anonymize" the jury. da fuck do you care.

05:02:41 mircea_popescu: not like you're going to do anything whatsoever BECAUSE of the usg.

05:02:48 mircea_popescu: never again. do what you will, and fuck them.

05:02:55 decimation: interesting, the march 15 euro future on CME is at $1.16, with a $1.16 call at $0.0248 and put at $0.0195

05:03:49 mircea_popescu: expecting more volatility ?

05:05:42 asciilifeform: lol, they let the jury home ?

05:07:26 decimation: I guess the simple call-put analysis would imply a future increase in price

05:07:41 decimation: but that was the case a few weeks ago, and the future has fallen

05:09:56 decimation: I suppose the simple (call-put) analysis ignores the prevailing interest rates in each currency, which would also affect the future price

05:10:16 mircea_popescu: justusranvier http://qntra.net/2015/01/transaction-fees-and-the-future-of-bitcoin/#comment-7394

05:10:17 assbot: Transaction Fees and the Future of Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/14GCU7F )

05:13:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: buffett's textile plants: i once worked with a greybeard - a former director of a research lab at, iirc, kodak (many years ago.) he was reduced to programming by ill fortune, age, disease. told many stories, but concerning textiles, that his laboratory was built inside an abandoned textiles plant, one of a great many in the american south.

05:13:11 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It seems so.

05:14:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they were abruptly hollowed out and made good 'floors' for remaining concerns - pharma, call centres, etc.

05:14:07 mircea_popescu: yep

05:14:18 mircea_popescu: it's a fine way to gut a well established entreprise.

05:14:21 mircea_popescu: "revolutionize" it.

05:14:46 decimation: kodak is an excellent example of a company selling off its economically viable business for no reason

05:15:08 mircea_popescu: that's not really the mechanism here tho.

05:15:50 mircea_popescu: anyway, if ever there was a social experiment to illustrate just how little computer geeks understand, bitcoin's it.

05:16:16 mircea_popescu: all sorts of things seem obvious by simile to people with no experience and not much intellectual curiosity.

05:16:47 *: asciilifeform isn't certain that 'computer geeks' - as commonly understood - were yet ever involved with bitcoin in appreciable numbers

05:16:50 mircea_popescu: yet somehow their inability to score girlfriends or be the life of the party does not even begin to hint to them that perhaps they're ill prepared to judge economic phenomena.

05:17:11 mircea_popescu: dunning kruger is not reserved to idiots. it's just another name for the aspie's sufferance.

05:17:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i mean mostly the ruby and web2.0 "we r code" bunch.

05:17:43 mircea_popescu: like gavin, or the rest. the million people that's a million extra hands on github

05:17:53 asciilifeform: the programmatory equivalent of chinese textile labourers ?

05:18:00 mircea_popescu: them exactly.

05:18:25 mircea_popescu: it's what computer geek means, these days. "shy, socially awkward teenager that doesn't know how to use computers, in spite of spending a lot of time with them"

05:19:03 decimation: so, the chinese peasant is a textile hobbyist in the way that the 'computer geek' is a programming hobbyist?

05:19:10 mircea_popescu: quite.

05:19:44 decimation: yeah, I can see that. note that this wave of 'volunteers' makes life very difficult for actual pros

05:19:51 mircea_popescu: they probably learn more useful & important stuff playing counterstrike than mashing the kbd for code.

05:19:52 asciilifeform: except that cloth unquestionably exists and is useful.

05:20:01 mircea_popescu: decimation oh, it's noted.

05:20:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cloth unquestionably exists ; so exists bad code.

05:20:20 mircea_popescu: that it's useful... depends.

05:20:23 mircea_popescu: i keep the girls nude indoors.

05:20:31 mircea_popescu: and outdoors half the time for that matter.

05:20:45 mircea_popescu: now if in question were shoes... or rifles... but they aren't, are they.

05:20:56 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/ec309eecd19f226b31693c251c8e9246/tumblr_mqhaq36TlG1sv0gl8o1_500.jpg << speaking of shoes.

05:20:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/153ABwy )

05:21:40 asciilifeform: those are shoes ?!

05:21:55 mircea_popescu: after a fashoen

05:24:51 asciilifeform: this wave of 'volunteers' makes life very difficult for actual pros << how??

05:25:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00068347 = 2.0504 BTC [+] {8}

05:25:11 asciilifeform: (i can think of perhaps one or two ways, but labour competition is quite certainly not one of them)

05:25:11 mircea_popescu: hard to be found and find peers when drowning in sewage & assorted cuntpuss

05:25:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00068347 = 2.0504 BTC [+] {8}

05:25:22 asciilifeform: this, yes

05:25:27 mircea_popescu: o, you need more /

05:25:40 asciilifeform: the extinction of adequate physical equipment, also.

05:25:58 mircea_popescu: "not worth making anymore", because "no market".

05:26:10 mircea_popescu: because somehow inexplicably cuntpuss has purchasing power. for shame.

05:26:17 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Are those shoes hard forms?

05:26:30 asciilifeform: sufficiently many ants - kill elephant.

05:26:31 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic they look to me like a steel frame tied to the calf and foot.

05:28:22 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I've been looking for a heel form specifically like that to wear for long trips in my sportscar. Minus all the metal and straps. I think a heel form support over the outside of a vibram would probably double my range without rest.

05:28:42 midnightmagic: (without wrecking my ability to heel&toe)

05:29:42 mircea_popescu: twenty years ago you could have leather shoes made by design to order in quantities of one, up in harlem.

05:29:46 mircea_popescu: by now... i have nfi.

05:30:06 midnightmagic: hrm

05:30:53 mircea_popescu: there must be some shop left somewhere that still does it. they make chain mail by hand and whatnot, i can't imagine shoemakers all died out.

05:31:31 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/d4cb3a6bba4f8cb6a3ec185fa0c03db8/tumblr_mzkvtiZm3O1t8ttb7o1_500.jpg unrelatedly.

05:31:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/14GH8Mx )

05:34:12 midnightmagic: that's a good idea.. for a long time I thought I'd have to cast a form out of carbon fiber or something

05:35:13 mircea_popescu: you can trivially make it out of silicone. it'll suck.

05:36:17 midnightmagic: i need undeformable support. the weight of my leg on my heel while driving is pretty excruciating, but normal shoes would ruin my feel of the floor and pedals

05:36:40 midnightmagic: anyway, excuse the offtopic

05:37:01 midnightmagic: or.. tangent at any rate

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05:58:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30581 @ 0.00044286 = 13.5431 BTC [+] {2}

06:18:21 asciilifeform: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/opinion/paul-krugman-francs-fear-and-folly.html << high-grade mega-lol

06:18:24 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6rOpa )

06:27:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.0004433 = 3.5242 BTC [+]

06:27:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.0004433 = 3.5242 BTC [+]

06:28:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.0004433 = 5.1866 BTC [+]

06:28:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.0004433 = 5.1866 BTC [+]

06:47:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00043667 = 16.7026 BTC [-]

06:47:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00043667 = 16.7026 BTC [-]

07:52:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38869 @ 0.00043165 = 16.7778 BTC [-] {3}

07:52:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38869 @ 0.00043165 = 16.7778 BTC [-] {3}

09:21:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7579 @ 0.0004433 = 3.3598 BTC [+]

09:22:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7579 @ 0.0004433 = 3.3598 BTC [+]

09:48:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00044758 = 11.3238 BTC [+]

09:48:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00044758 = 11.3238 BTC [+]

10:06:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.0004462 = 5.109 BTC [-]

10:06:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.0004462 = 5.109 BTC [-]

10:08:35 BingoBoingo: Paranoia https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2sl1lv/bitcoin_white_rock_ashley_barr_dpr_connection/

10:08:39 assbot: Bitcoin White Rock, Ashley Barr, DPR Connection : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6tLGV )

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10:15:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00044906 = 15.9865 BTC [+] {3}

10:28:21 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/Alg0gBv.jpg

10:28:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6MtJJ )

10:30:24 davout: fluffypony: lulzy

10:30:59 davout: fluffypony: do you know a monero executive summary?

10:31:27 fluffypony: davout: how short a summary do you want?

10:31:58 davout: 2~3 pages to start i'd say

10:32:49 davout: just so i have an idea what it's about so i can dig further if needed

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10:33:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00045176 = 19.1998 BTC [+] {2}

10:36:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00045861 = 17.817 BTC [+]

10:36:13 fluffypony: davout: I think our Year in Review report is a good start - https://forum.monero.cc/1/news-and-announcements/134/monday-monero-missives-22-year-in-review-january-5th-2015

10:36:15 assbot: Monero | News and Announcements » Monday Monero Missives #22 - Year in Review, January 5th, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6Nmlx )

10:36:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00045861 = 17.817 BTC [+]

10:36:37 davout: looks great tyvm!

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10:55:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9577 @ 0.00044578 = 4.2692 BTC [-] {2}

11:04:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00045861 = 6.5123 BTC [+]

11:05:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00045861 = 6.5123 BTC [+]

11:32:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.000441 = 6.152 BTC [-]

11:33:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.000441 = 6.152 BTC [-]

12:14:36 jurov: pity the monero memory problem isn't resolved yet (keeps blockchain in memory, needs 30G)

12:15:22 jurov: just for fun i have tried to cap RSS using control groups so that the rest would go to swap

12:15:46 jurov: it worked for maybe a day, then linux died

12:22:22 BingoBoingo: Everyone dies, but one day before die is dissaponting amount of die

12:32:40 davout: jurov: ouch

12:37:58 fluffypony: jurov: you mean 3gb

12:38:00 fluffypony: definitely not 30gb

12:38:19 fluffypony: and the lmdb branch is reasonably stable, but Linux only at this stage

12:39:13 fluffypony: https://github.com/tewinget/bitmonero/tree/blockchain

12:39:14 assbot: tewinget/bitmonero at blockchain · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AXXgVN )

12:39:23 jurov: ohh so i remember wrong.. reports actually say 5-6GB

12:40:30 jurov: still was too much

12:40:38 jurov: will try that branch, thx

12:41:42 fluffypony: yep it doubles up to 6gb when its spooling to disk (every 12 hours), as it creates a copy of the blockchain object

12:43:06 fluffypony: https://twitter.com/MagicalTux/status/555892860654862337

12:43:08 assbot: This is probably going to be disappointing for you, but I am not and have never been Dread Pirate Roberts.

12:43:25 fluffypony: so just a regular scammer, then

12:45:07 jurov: it's completely incomprehensible to me why they have chosen karpeles of all people

12:46:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34827 @ 0.00045873 = 15.9762 BTC [+] {2}

12:46:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34827 @ 0.00045873 = 15.9762 BTC [+] {2}

12:46:50 jurov: any idea?

12:49:53 BingoBoingo: Well Where might McCaleb have met Kapeles if not the silk road over a spoonful of black tar?

12:58:22 BingoBoingo: Just wild speculation

13:03:18 thestringpuller: fluffypony: took him 24 hours to compose that statemetn?

13:04:17 fluffypony: thestringpuller: nah, probably only a couple of minutes - you have to remember that he would only have heard the news shortly before that Tweet, what with the self-induced mocha frappacino coma binge he's been on lately

13:04:49 thestringpuller: no wonder the Feds were able to compromise Silk Road if Tux was running it.

13:04:53 fluffypony: lol

13:05:04 fluffypony: they offered him donuts and lattes until he gave them the server keys

13:06:54 thestringpuller: d00d they are calling him a supervillian already

13:07:12 fluffypony: Dr. Latte!

13:07:27 thestringpuller: a super villian would have been running this shit from Africa and would have actually killed people in the process

13:07:47 thestringpuller: And instead of being arrested by feds and tried, Obama would have sent a drone.

13:11:17 thestringpuller: today is a punk rock day

13:16:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00045491 = 15.6489 BTC [-] {2}

13:17:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00045491 = 15.6489 BTC [-] {2}

14:05:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00045993 = 7.2209 BTC [+]

14:06:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00045993 = 7.2209 BTC [+]

14:30:04 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/roger-ver-and-americas-emigration-dilemma/

14:48:28 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2015#978602

14:48:28 assbot: Logged on 15-01-2015 21:14:46; kakobrekla: also some fx brokerages closed.

14:48:32 kakobrekla: http://www.alpari.com/company-news/posts/2015/january/important-announcement/

14:48:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yktLj2 )

14:50:07 BingoBoingo: OMG the conspiracy theories on Gox Road are coalescing into almost sense.. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2sjuvu/defense_in_silk_road_trial_arguing_mark_karpeles/cnqcgxd

14:50:09 assbot: lifeboatz comments on "Defense in Silk Road trial arguing Mark Karpeles, CEO of Bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox, was the real mastermind behind Silk Road." ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykucK9 )

14:50:11 BingoBoingo: !up mircea_popescu

14:50:14 mircea_popescu: o hai.

14:50:22 mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/ab532f17c00a4804843916c828e034b0/tumblr_mxnu6juUr61qi0kbpo1_500.jpg << by way of ty.

14:50:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykuh0x )

14:50:36 TomServo: Another great article BingoBoingo.

14:51:07 BingoBoingo: Thanks TomServo, been chewing on that one too long prolly.

14:51:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol always great to read the comedy gold classics every time us policy backfires massively.

14:54:28 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " So far it hasn't been enforced due to its extreme vagary, but in the unstable environment of applied United States law. Not with the sudden resurgence of threats to invoke the All Writs Act reentering the public discourse in late 2014."

14:54:31 mircea_popescu: that not right in there ?

14:56:44 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just rewrote that sentence, hazard of multi session writing.

14:59:38 mircea_popescu: "Expenditure for the year comprised of 3 totals as some costs could not be settled in BTC or were preferably settled in XMR. Our expenditure was 190.513492 BTC + 1 891.31 XMR + US $5 732.80, which is around the 212 BTC mark. Thus the shortfall of 164.5 BTC was paid out of the Core Team's own pockets in the hopes of recovering the funds later on (ie. just in case anyone was wondering, not only do the core team not get p

14:59:38 mircea_popescu: aid at all, but we've put a significant amount of funds into Monero)."

15:00:27 mircea_popescu: this would explain the shockingly large 50 btc donations figure for an altcoin i guess.

15:01:39 mircea_popescu: 35 weeks of development (245 days) since Monero was inherited by the Core Team 594 separate commits << inherited by whom ? how ? if that inherited had linked to a gpg signed testament...

15:02:20 davout: mircea_popescu: maybe in the sense that it was inherited as a messy bytecoin code base

15:02:29 mircea_popescu: i guess.

15:02:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00045699 = 6.5578 BTC [-]

15:03:04 *: mircea_popescu hated that "illustrative" graph too. fucking sleek but meaningless graphics.

15:03:26 mircea_popescu: Testing infrastructure consists of a Mac Mini hosted at MacStadium, as well as a beefy testing box hosted at Hetzner in Germany, on which we have a number of VMs for the various operating systems and variants we target. >> much better.

15:03:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00045699 = 6.5578 BTC [-]

15:04:37 davout: i was personnally quite impressed by the "let's start by a financial report"

15:04:57 mircea_popescu: ok, sure. not bad that.

15:05:38 mircea_popescu: "OpenAlias is different. Not only does it "square Zooko's triangle" " << the entire discusison of that thing (my mind went, ok, let's try and poke one particular thing and see" is nice and all for the zooko discussion, but a) it's not clear to me what's the relation to open alias corporation if any

15:06:04 mircea_popescu: (when what looks like a term of art has basically two apparently divorced meanings via google, it's suspicious if they don't seem mutually aware)

15:06:25 mircea_popescu: in any case it'd benefit from an explanation of itself.

15:07:56 mircea_popescu: "With the two attacks we thwarted in 2014, the GUI development had to take a bit of a backseat." << in depth description ? links ? somehow for me to evaluate if they're due to the world being full of idiots (ddos ?) or the devs being idiots (we were using ruby!!1)

15:08:39 mircea_popescu: Hey! This page will never end! Just keep on scrolling to see more posts! < lol busted. anyway! i guess it goes back i nthe pile that has been holding "open transactyions" since about 2011.

15:11:14 mircea_popescu: "And for three years it worked. But on Thursday the Swiss suddenly gave up. We don?t know exactly why; nobody I know believes the official explanation, that it?s a response to a weakening euro. " << ha-ha. everyone you DON'T know knows the explanation. it was published on fucking fraudsters for crissakes, not even as a news item.

15:11:37 mircea_popescu: that what the us considers important thinkers have no access to basic data, because they're isolated on a WoI, should speak volumes.

15:13:23 TomServo: In glancing through the comments on Krugman's piece, he seems to be getting pretty well lambasted there.

15:14:03 mircea_popescu: nah, it didn't happen.

15:14:19 mircea_popescu: those people just failed to "enter the looking glass world" when "everybody" did.

15:14:29 mircea_popescu: they were left on this other side with nobody, and putin.

15:15:17 mircea_popescu: it's kind-of remarkable (not really) just how self-labeling stupidity actually is. the difference between trying to "explain yourself" as an idiot and simply wearing a lot of large "hey everyone, i'm the idiot!" signs and tags is hard to notice.

15:16:33 mircea_popescu: "So let?s learn from the Swiss. They?ve been careful; they?ve maintained sound money for generations. And now they?re paying the price."

15:16:34 mircea_popescu: epic.

15:16:43 mircea_popescu: such a price, rly.

15:16:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.00045699 = 11.7218 BTC [-]

15:17:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.00045699 = 11.7218 BTC [-]

15:21:18 BingoBoingo: !up mircea_popescu

15:21:40 mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/86375fbb6f3fe2ef7ef1c0183063fffe/tumblr_n6i21mbY261sfkfqio1_500.jpg

15:21:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cw9G77 )

15:24:58 mircea_popescu: kk.

15:30:21 BingoBoingo: Apparently the dollar fell against 87 octane yesterday at retail

15:32:13 fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0FDjFBj8o

15:32:15 assbot: How to sound smart in your TEDx Talk | Will Stephen | TEDxNewYork - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cwd4Pe )

15:32:54 BingoBoingo: Qntra endorsement found on twitter https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/556110683948187649

15:32:55 assbot: What I find interesting about it, is that it appears to be effortless; like these are the cast offs, the "While ima here, Ill let you know".

15:33:42 mircea_popescu: i dunno what that means ?

15:34:11 BingoBoingo: I'm not sure either, but the tweets surrounding it are praise

15:34:16 rithm: BingoBoingo I know some spots who sell 87 octane for 1.88 cash and 1.99 credit fwiw

15:34:22 rithm: sorta recentish

15:34:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00045658 = 13.6061 BTC [-] {2}

15:34:42 BingoBoingo: rithm: There's one that always has that spread a couple towns over.

15:34:56 rithm: interesting

15:35:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00045658 = 13.6061 BTC [-] {2}

15:35:54 BingoBoingo: But yesterday Went from $1.79 up to $2.09 and this morning back to $1.79, that volatility

15:36:20 BingoBoingo: Also... model of integrity here http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24963484/man-who-sold-lsu-equipment-chooses-jail-over-revealing-player-source

15:36:22 assbot: Man who sold LSU equipment chooses jail over revealing player source - CBSSports.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8nMBn )

15:37:46 mircea_popescu: not bad.

15:38:38 mircea_popescu: "LSU football equipment is leased to student-athetes, who are not allowed to give it away or sell it." fucking outrage.

15:39:39 BingoBoingo: Well according to the NCAA written rules, they aren't alowed to. According to the unwritten rules of the actual government of the sport they totally are allowed to give away and sell it.

15:40:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22026 @ 0.00044678 = 9.8408 BTC [-]

15:40:16 BingoBoingo: Legitimate government of Sicily is not in Rome sort of situation.

15:40:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22026 @ 0.00044678 = 9.8408 BTC [-]

15:45:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12597 @ 0.0004606 = 5.8022 BTC [+] {2}

15:45:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12597 @ 0.0004606 = 5.8022 BTC [+] {2}

15:51:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.12999976 = 1.69 BTC [+] {2}

15:51:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.12999976 = 1.69 BTC [+] {2}

16:14:22 TomServo: !up mircea_popescu

16:14:30 TomServo: !up astRocreep

16:23:39 kakobrekla: o look our friend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiy1rlKdBo8

16:23:40 assbot: OneRNG - An Open and Verifiable hardware random number generator - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C7QP3P )

16:24:06 kakobrekla: or was is freeend

16:40:21 danielpbarron: http://youtu.be/GYSqnmeOBKw?t=4m56s

16:40:23 assbot: Don't sell yourself short on EBay - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C7TavO )

16:40:25 xanthyos: hello fellow bitcoiners, what are my poker chips worth today?

16:41:15 jurov: ;;rate

16:41:16 gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.

16:41:21 jurov: ;;ticker

16:41:22 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 205.02, Best ask: 205.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 205.76, 24 hour volume: 48633.20568306, 24 hour low: 192.0, 24 hour high: 224.0, 24 hour vwap: 211.159397315

16:48:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16675 @ 0.00044555 = 7.4295 BTC [-] {2}

16:48:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16675 @ 0.00044555 = 7.4295 BTC [-] {2}

16:54:15 kakobrekla: bah no cardano mention http://youtu.be/jiy1rlKdBo8?t=30m44s

16:57:39 xanthyos: !up mircea_popescu

17:08:46 thestringpuller: Argentina got dat recipe

17:08:47 thestringpuller: dem 3 w's

17:11:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11790 @ 0.000441 = 5.1994 BTC [-]

17:11:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11790 @ 0.000441 = 5.1994 BTC [-]

17:12:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20210 @ 0.00044085 = 8.9096 BTC [-]

17:12:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20210 @ 0.00044085 = 8.9096 BTC [-]

17:31:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2005 @ 0.00067011 = 1.3436 BTC [-] {8}

17:31:51 mod6: !up mircea_popescu

17:32:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2809 @ 0.00066791 = 1.8762 BTC [-] {12}

17:34:09 jurov: kakobrekla: maybe because cardano nor its rng is not released yet?

17:34:24 asciilifeform: wait wat

17:34:32 asciilifeform: why would that thing mention it ever

17:34:56 kakobrekla: yea yea

17:35:47 jurov: yea, for example NeuG claims: It is a true RNG, with SHA-256 conditioning component.

17:35:57 asciilifeform: hilarity.

17:35:58 jurov: cardano is another league than this

17:36:24 asciilifeform: i wish i knew why folks still think rng is high science. it isn't.

17:36:31 kakobrekla: well they rave about "support other crypto project"

17:36:35 kakobrekla: but only the unworthy.

17:37:01 asciilifeform: there used to be at least half a dozen small pc-based rng on the market.

17:37:08 kakobrekla: and mp had direct contact with the man iirc

17:37:19 kakobrekla: so i guess i had my expectations scammed

17:37:46 asciilifeform: lol

17:45:02 jurov: i went on some googling why the "conditioning" and found this gem: http://lwn.net/Articles/525204/

17:45:03 assbot: Development [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1C80UOa )

17:45:09 jurov: Most entropy sources don't produce "good" random numbers. The source may, for example, produce ones only 25% of the time. This doesn't negate the value of the source. However, the "obvious" non-randomness must be eliminated; that is the task of the conditioner.

17:45:17 jurov: The output of the conditioner is then fed into a cryptographically secure pseudo-random number generator (CSPRNG). The reason for doing this is that we can better reason about the output of a CSPRNG; by contrast, it is difficult to reason about the output of the entropy source.

17:45:19 asciilifeform: 'conditioning' normally called 'whitening'

17:45:27 asciilifeform: why these folks renamed it, i cannot say.

17:45:32 asciilifeform: !s whitening

17:45:33 assbot: 15 results for 'whitening' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=whitening

17:45:35 asciilifeform: ^ past threads

17:45:42 jurov: wtf "difficult about reason"?

17:46:21 jurov: Thus, it is possible to say that the resulting device is at least as secure as a CSPRNG, but, since we have a constant stream of new seeds, we can be confident that it is actually a better source of random numbers than a CSPRNG that is seeded less frequently.

17:46:46 asciilifeform: 'whitening' an rng is mostly fooling yourself.

17:47:46 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#757057

17:47:46 assbot: Logged on 15-07-2014 20:38:05; asciilifeform: Rassah: why are you using whitening (hashing) in rng? and 'because everyone does' is not acceptable answer.

17:47:55 jurov: if it would be merely about von neumann, then ok

17:48:09 asciilifeform: von neumann's balancer is not a whitener.

17:48:15 jurov: but these people nave a need to construct such reasoning

17:48:19 jurov: *have

17:48:45 asciilifeform: (how and why it works is a primary school level mathematical proof. i recommend that anyone unfamiliar with it, try to derive)

17:48:46 jurov: "the more often we seed it, the better"

17:49:05 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/16/go-ahead-jim-prentice-raise-taxes-in-alberta-and-see-if-by-2025-the-province-isnt-an-economic-shithole-like-quebec-and-ontario/ << what good is a blog if you can't take a run at local politicians, amirite?

17:49:07 assbot: Go ahead Jim Prentice: raise taxes in Alberta and see if by 2025 the province isn’t an economic shithole like Quebec and Ontario. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1C81kEe )

17:49:58 pete_dushenski: somehow ended up almost 2300 words in length

17:52:31 pete_dushenski: gotta give the politicians something to chew on over the weekend

17:59:09 thestringpuller: hey look a pete_dushenski

17:59:16 thestringpuller: i see him more often now

17:59:35 thestringpuller: Quebec is cool as fuck

17:59:37 pete_dushenski: your eyes are just getting better

17:59:41 thestringpuller: I <3 french canadians

18:00:06 pete_dushenski: fantastic place to visit, wouldn't want to live there.

18:00:34 pete_dushenski: so i visit pretty much every year

18:01:52 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller where are you located again?

18:04:05 thestringpuller: the lost city of Atlanta

18:06:20 thestringpuller: !up mircea_popescu

18:06:44 pete_dushenski: a yes, where that *other* very bad racist joo is trying to sell the basketball team

18:06:58 pete_dushenski: levenson or something

18:07:21 thestringpuller: i never knew he owned the hawks until recently

18:07:33 thestringpuller: people aren't really complaining too heavily tho locally since the teams is actually good this season

18:07:44 thestringpuller: fucking 60 bucks for nose bleed tickets

18:07:44 pete_dushenski: what else is levenson known for?

18:07:59 mircea_popescu: hallo

18:08:00 TomServo: Is that the 'no, I assure you I'm racist' self-outing guy?

18:08:14 pete_dushenski: lol yup

18:08:35 pete_dushenski: apparently donald sterling is a bit of a trend setter

18:10:00 thestringpuller: i srsly though the hawks were still owned by Ted Turner/Time Warner

18:10:06 thestringpuller: thought*

18:10:11 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> and mp had direct contact with the man iirc << who this again ?

18:10:24 kakobrekla: onerng or what was it

18:10:44 mircea_popescu: well whos the guy ?

18:10:59 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> why these folks renamed it, i cannot say. << guess/

18:11:30 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you're missing the point. he won't be there in 2025.

18:11:57 pete_dushenski: there's no term limit in alberta

18:12:08 mircea_popescu: right.

18:12:16 pete_dushenski: though he could well be another fall guy

18:12:39 pete_dushenski: like the last chick, lawyer whatever her name was

18:12:58 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> well whos the guy ? < fuck if i know. i just made a bet he wont reply, but he did. iirc.

18:13:03 kakobrekla: not important any way.

18:13:08 mircea_popescu: In the immortal rights of Moss, Goddamn right, that's right. Guys come on: "Oh, the blah blah blah, I know what I'll do: I'll go in and rob everyone blind and go to Argentina cause nobody ever thought of this before."

18:14:27 mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/67e27cfcdd4a64b5a0ca2e7000e540c4/tumblr_n7cv52cTok1r6rmfno1_500.gif

18:14:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZdHkC )

18:16:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1444 @ 0.00069457 = 1.003 BTC [+] {4}

18:16:16 mircea_popescu: "The reason for doing this is that we can better reason about the output of a CSPRNG; by contrast, it is difficult to reason about the output of the entropy source." << gotta love the sweet innocence on display here tho.

18:16:41 mircea_popescu: "why do we interact with the fantastic representations in our head rather than with the flesh and blood woman before us ? IT IS EASIER!"

18:16:46 mircea_popescu: mmmmmyeah.

18:17:25 mircea_popescu: it's not even "easy-difficulty" it's now "better-difficult". fucking psychotic generation already.

18:17:50 kakobrekla: https://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK

18:17:51 assbot: Watch SpaceX's Vine "Close, but no cigar. This time." ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZeCS6 )

18:17:51 pete_dushenski: same as the linear projection braindamage

18:18:02 pete_dushenski: bandwidth, govn't revenue, same shit

18:18:37 pete_dushenski: not enough art classes for kids so they get all obsessed with rulers and crayons as adults

18:18:52 pete_dushenski: "look mom, i made a straight line to infinity!"

18:18:55 mircea_popescu: "here's the temperatures in the past 30 years. on the basis of this, here's how the temperatures woud have been in the past 5000 years, if our presupositions are correct. on the basis of this, here's the story of the future : our presupositions are correct"

18:19:07 mircea_popescu: herpy-derp an' a bottle of rum... well not rum. ginger ale.

18:19:43 pete_dushenski: fizzy bubbly

18:20:24 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNHUpsc5byg

18:20:26 assbot: You Dont Mess With The Zohan - FIZZY BUBBLECH - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZfjL3 )

18:25:34 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/UPI << haxxed ?

18:25:36 assbot: UPI.com (@UPI) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQTS4C )

18:26:38 pete_dushenski: "JUST IN: Bank of America CEO calls for calm: Savings accounts will not be affected by federal reserve decision."

18:26:45 pete_dushenski: "Pope: "World War III has begun" "

18:26:54 pete_dushenski: "US Joint Chief of staff: USS George Washington damaged, US navy now engaged in active combat against Chinese vessels in South China sea."

18:27:09 pete_dushenski: ^i'm gonna go with yes

18:27:52 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski 2016

18:27:56 thestringpuller: vote for pete_dushenski !!!

18:28:46 pete_dushenski: i already broke into the b-a lordship in 2014 so...

18:28:50 pete_dushenski: :)

18:29:37 mircea_popescu: lol

18:31:11 mircea_popescu: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/15/us-usa-internet-neutrality-exclusive-idUSKBN0KO2JO20150115

18:31:13 assbot: Exclusive: White House says net neutrality legislation not needed | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUHKM )

18:31:13 mircea_popescu: :D

18:31:59 mircea_popescu: http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=4111127 << lolz

18:32:01 assbot: Vamos a morir Todos ; III guerra mundial - ForoCoches ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUNSu )

18:35:58 pete_dushenski: it's gone viral!

18:37:00 mircea_popescu: lol

18:37:37 pete_dushenski: also, the white house "doesn't need" all kinds of things it can't do, like stop assad or whatever

18:37:44 asciilifeform: !up midnightmagic

18:37:46 asciilifeform: !up mircea_popescu

18:38:30 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it would seem the story there isthat obama knows that congress can be bought quite cheaply

18:38:59 mircea_popescu: it's an unstable situation this, where the supposedly senior rulemaker is cheaper to buy than the supposedly junior partner.

18:39:17 mircea_popescu: the solution are as always : either make the senior much richer (which really is not feasible) or break the relationship.

18:40:50 asciilifeform: 'My suggestion was quite simple: Put that needed code number in a little capsule, and then implant that capsule right next to the heart of a volunteer. The volunteer would carry with him a big, heavy butcher knife as he accompanied the President. If ever the President wanted to fire nuclear weapons, the only way he could do so would be for him first, with his own hands, to kill one human being.'

18:41:01 asciilifeform: ( http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2012/09/19/the-heart-of-deterrence << old lol )

18:41:04 assbot: The Heart of Deterrence | Restricted Data ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQWbV8 )

18:41:49 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu sorry, which relationship are you referring to here?

18:42:01 mircea_popescu: congress-white house

18:42:15 pete_dushenski: a yes

18:42:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who's this idiot

18:42:53 pete_dushenski: well obama might be the senior partner, but he's only one man

18:43:22 pete_dushenski: which should conceivably always be cheaper than a whole hoard of congressmen

18:43:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: some academic, quoted in longer piece

18:43:54 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski government is the junior partner by tradition / legislation

18:44:49 pete_dushenski: and since the legislation is choking on its own vomit, the tradition is changing?

18:45:33 mircea_popescu: maybe.

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18:48:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33435 @ 0.00044609 = 14.915 BTC [+] {2}

18:54:42 MetatronOne: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-fbi-cant-find-hackers-that-dont-smoke-pot

18:54:43 assbot: The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They All Smoke Pot | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap12EX )

18:54:44 MetatronOne: how saad

18:55:28 mircea_popescu: kinda old tho

18:55:42 MetatronOne: well just saw it, had a lol

18:58:00 MetatronOne: well atleast they can start smoking while undercover

18:58:23 mircea_popescu: it's somehow the fashionable thing, i dunno.

19:04:15 undata: this pot legality thing is just another american political football. no one ever had trouble getting weed, nor passing a drug test. its a distraction issue.

19:04:53 jurov: rly, no one ever had trouble?

19:05:04 undata: no one with a brain

19:05:33 asciilifeform: at one point, doping test was more fashionable than today

19:05:41 asciilifeform: and it was not necessary to work for usg per se to fall under it.

19:05:41 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/the-winkdex-btc-5000-or-more-in-2015/#c4500 lmap

19:05:41 assbot: BitBet - The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015 :: 9.52 B (24%) on Yes, 30.87 B (76%) on No | closing in 10 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`394 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQZk7o )

19:06:05 undata: asciilifeform: I guess I'm speaking as a guy in his 20s

19:07:07 undata: I'm thinking of Oregon's legalization and how its lauded as some social victory

19:07:39 undata: meh, life has not materially changed

19:08:49 asciilifeform: !up mircea_popescu

19:09:45 undata: you want to really change the world, legalize acid

19:11:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00044649 = 10.6934 BTC [+] {2}

19:11:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00044649 = 10.6934 BTC [+] {2}

19:12:18 danielpbarron: if legalizing stuff changed the world, it would be made illegal

19:12:19 jurov: ;;ticker

19:12:20 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 206.56, Best ask: 206.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 206.86, 24 hour volume: 47784.00195866, 24 hour low: 192.0, 24 hour high: 223.15, 24 hour vwap: 210.245475383

19:12:31 jurov: wow

19:16:42 mircea_popescu: if illegalizing things did anything i'd make mosquitoes illegal

19:16:46 mircea_popescu: i have half a mind to do it anyway.

19:17:35 asciilifeform: ;;google we begin bombing in five minutes

19:17:36 gribble: We begin bombing in five minutes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_begin_bombing_in_five_minutes; Ronald Reagan - We Begin Bombing In 5 Minutes - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSSRE27GQ0; Reagan Bombing Joke - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv13ZnkpWos

19:18:10 TomServo: http://dailyhashrate.com/2015/01/16/adam-guerbuezs-big-news/

19:18:11 assbot: Adam Guerbuez’s Big News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap61Fr )

19:18:13 TomServo: heh

19:19:40 mircea_popescu: lul wut ?

19:20:14 TomServo: hadn't heard of dailyhashrate before, reads like bitcoin's onion

19:20:54 cazalla: mircea_popescu: if illegalizing things did anything i'd make mosquitoes illegal <<<mosquitoes in BA?

19:21:10 mircea_popescu: cazalla no, but i am not an egotist. i think of my fellow man

19:21:13 mircea_popescu: and especially woman.

19:21:37 *: asciilifeform suspects that most of the world's mosquitoes live not too far from him

19:21:50 cazalla: talk is cheap! make them illegal, be a doer like bill gates

19:21:55 mircea_popescu: TomServo welll... some guy i never heard of presented on some webpage i never saw before as important, turns out he's another gavin, doing parlour tricks atparties and whatnot.

19:22:29 mircea_popescu: cazalla words are cheaper than laws that don't work!

19:23:11 TomServo: I thought he was maybe North America's Dotcom knockoff.

19:23:23 asciilifeform: 'That night I listened while a colonel explained the war in terms of protein. We were a nation of high-protein, meat-eating hunters, while the other guy just ate rice and a few grungy fish heads. We were going to club him to death with our meat; what could you say except, ?Colonel, you?re insane?? ? Doomsday celebs, technomaniac projectionists; chemicals, gases, lasers, sonic-electric ballbreakers that were still on th

19:23:23 asciilifeform: e boards; and for back-up, deep in all their hearts, there were always the Nukes, they loved to remind you that we had some, ?right here in-country.? Once I met a colonel who had a plan to shorten the war by dropping piranha into the paddies of the North. He was talking fish but his dreamy eyes were full of mega-death.'

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19:24:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00044654 = 8.6629 BTC [+]

19:25:04 mircea_popescu: i wonder what the us army would look like on the ground if they actually started eating the afghanistani.

19:25:11 mircea_popescu: "bring some dead isis to cook tonight"

19:25:38 asciilifeform: remains in question who will be the cook, and who - the meal

19:26:04 mircea_popescu: i dunno how inclined teh arabs would be to fight if losing means they're eaten.

19:26:27 asciilifeform: do they give a damn re: being eaten? now pigburial may be another matter.

19:26:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A

19:26:34 assbot: Reagan tells Soviet jokes - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap7uf9 )

19:27:51 undata: https://quranexplained.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/cannibalism-in-the-quran/ << dunno the veracity of this

19:27:53 assbot: Cannibalism in the Quran | Quran Explained ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap7DiG )

19:28:40 mircea_popescu: it's a huge no-no. you can't go into afterlife anymore.

19:28:45 mircea_popescu: you, basically, BECOME sheep.

19:29:23 undata: better than turned into an islamic woman

19:29:36 mircea_popescu: no, not actually.

19:29:50 mircea_popescu: that's the female prayer, thank you allah for not having made me sheep (beast of field)

19:33:19 mircea_popescu: the one with "too important, i didn;t recognize him" had me rolling on the floor lol

19:36:42 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tetk_ayO1x4 << kickass woman.

19:36:44 assbot: Margaret Thatcher No No No - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap9kN1 )

19:40:22 asciilifeform: !up mircea_popescu

19:42:33 joecool: i wish -assets would take on attempting to make gnupg2 less horrible, which is the preferred version of gnupg in here anyway?

19:43:37 mircea_popescu: i dont use gnupg2

19:43:52 asciilifeform: 1.4

19:43:58 asciilifeform: i do have 2 somewhere

19:44:12 asciilifeform: but what is the horrible part ?

19:44:15 joecool: 1.4 was decent for usability, 2 i am constantly fighting

19:44:27 mircea_popescu: so use 1.4

19:44:29 asciilifeform: fighting how and why ?

19:44:36 joecool: asciilifeform: it's just ugly ugly horrible software, unintuitive, i have to swap out pinentry implementation between environments

19:44:40 joecool: i can't do a static build

19:44:54 asciilifeform: now the code is virtually unreadable, and this is true for all versions. no argument.

19:45:04 cazalla: i use to cover the company A raises X amount of capital but have been skipping them as you could really just word replace the amount and company name from a previous article and be done with it. does anyone actually care about such things and wishes to see them?

19:45:16 mircea_popescu: you don't undertand, it's optimized!

19:45:25 asciilifeform: speaking of which, did artifexd follow mircea_popescu's prescription and use a hacked gpg for 'gossip' ?

19:45:41 mircea_popescu: cazalla not particularly. unless you either have exclusivity, a scoop or actual documents,

19:45:50 mircea_popescu: they must PAY To have such articles published. in that they're fraud.

19:46:48 joecool: asciilifeform: it's just constant fighting to do most anything with the software, it's laid out poorly, simple tasks like minting smartcards, i literally have to back up the config directory for it and copy to mint more cards

19:47:06 asciilifeform: smartcards ?!

19:47:14 joecool: yeah i know you hate them

19:48:42 joecool: if i needed to protect from a 3-letter agency i'd have bigger problems than the shortcomings of a smartcard

19:49:35 mircea_popescu: that's not how you build effectual deterrence. that's how you set yourself up to shrem.

19:50:11 mircea_popescu: nobody ever said "if i'm ever in a fire i'll have bigger problems than this tiny fire hydrant can solve"

19:54:56 ben_vulpes: good morning PinkPosixPXE

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19:57:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3978 @ 0.00044654 = 1.7763 BTC [+]

20:05:59 joecool: mircea_popescu: there are two major problems with this implementation that i see. both are problems the cardano solves, 1. the system knows it's a smartcard and malicious software could use it, and 2. weak entropy generation for signing

20:08:34 joecool: an adversary with large resources will likely be able to get around that through forced coercion before even needing to try to attack the implementation (which I still believe would be a nontrivial task unless the system had a rootkit installed that maliciously generated signatures, that i would see on the counter)

20:10:53 xanthyos: !up mircea_popescu

20:19:32 mircea_popescu: joecool the 2nd's most concerning.

20:20:04 mircea_popescu: entropy could be more important for encryption than signing.

20:20:35 mircea_popescu: and inasmuch as you're a person rather than an organisation, "forced coercion" is really not very much use.

20:21:56 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : today i find that prior to 1820 or so, hawaii was all-nude, and that the proper an' traditional hula dance is to be done without panties or other apparel.

20:24:15 joecool: mircea_popescu: i was unaware of the entropy issues on signing until after this was implemented, until then i had assumed it was only important to generate the keys themselves with sufficient entropy

20:24:43 joecool: but i will continue to read on this and see if i can come up with a better way to handle it

20:25:16 mircea_popescu: well, depending of what you actually need to sign, never putting your signed matter over the wire unencrypted can help a lot.

20:25:40 mircea_popescu: in that it drastically limits the pool of potential attackers and attackable material.

20:37:41 PinkPosixPXE: morning ben_vulpes .. sorry, I got pulled into a meeting hehe

20:37:45 PinkPosixPXE: didn't mean to be impolite

20:38:10 PinkPosixPXE: glad gribble is back

20:38:21 PinkPosixPXE: and assbot

20:46:10 MetatronOne: mircea_popescu> unrelatedly : today i find that prior to 1820 or so, hawaii was all-nude, and that the proper an' traditional hula dance is to be done without panties or other apparel. | woah. what a way to ruin it!

20:46:29 mircea_popescu: innit.

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20:49:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26654 @ 0.00045597 = 12.1534 BTC [+] {2}

21:05:11 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/1b4679dd86b61285c4233e5e2990391f/tumblr_mrbvb5QX9k1rlq2woo1_500.gif

21:05:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZVO5l )

21:07:33 teward: mircea_popescu: you should probably tag your NSFW as NSFW >.>

21:08:12 mircea_popescu: teward you are aware this place has a history and so on, right ? read it and all ?

21:08:31 teward: mircea_popescu: yes, just sayin for those of us who IRC while in class from the back of the room... ;)

21:08:36 *: teward has privacy screens on either way but still

21:08:51 *: teward is also *insanely* bored today in class

21:08:57 danielpbarron: if that wasn't safe for your work then you need to find new work

21:09:01 mircea_popescu: please don't #bitcoin-assets in class.

21:09:22 teward: mircea_popescu: please don't force me to sit through a 4 hour lecture on my own state's history without some distraction >.>

21:09:23 teward: :P

21:09:38 teward: (hot though)

21:09:52 *: mircea_popescu is exceptionally not an asshole

21:09:57 mircea_popescu: they say it about me tho!

21:10:07 mircea_popescu: the government!

21:12:54 mircea_popescu: ;;tslb

21:13:00 gribble: Time since last block: 6 minutes and 29 seconds

21:22:47 ben_vulpes: -assets is highly async, PinkPosixPXE - didn't read any impoliteness

21:23:30 mircea_popescu: good logs promote that huh.

21:24:05 jurov: i don't know how i managed to survive 4 hour lectures on uni, had only nokia brick then

21:25:03 jurov: it was data capable, but plans were too expensive

21:25:51 mircea_popescu: i mostly hung out with the girls. and if the girls didn't show up i mostly harrangued the prof.

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21:45:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00043981 = 10.5554 BTC [-] {2}

21:45:36 ben_vulpes: http://io9.com/high-speed-video-reveals-the-source-of-that-incredible-1679834126

21:45:38 assbot: High-Speed Video Reveals The Source Of That Incredible After-Rain Smell ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRbIUX )

21:45:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00043981 = 10.5554 BTC [-] {2}

21:58:14 ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> https://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK << totally worth reposting

21:58:15 assbot: Watch SpaceX's Vine "Close, but no cigar. This time." ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRdBRz )

22:01:09 TomServo: That must be the best use of vine to date.

22:03:05 ben_vulpes: i love how they have precisely 1 vine

22:04:12 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/da1b72c5f0f91db82314623d9d05f6de/tumblr_n33ogusigd1rd6pezo1_500.jpg

22:04:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KReaee )

22:04:22 mircea_popescu: speaking of ... wine.

22:04:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16811 @ 0.00045262 = 7.609 BTC [+]

22:05:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16811 @ 0.00045262 = 7.609 BTC [+]

22:08:18 ben_vulpes: love the cameraphone in the back there

22:09:09 mircea_popescu: chicks face with the phone too.

22:11:34 ben_vulpes: p lulzy

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22:20:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00045561 = 8.7022 BTC [+]

22:25:33 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/01/its-easy-to-call-us-a-tiny-minority-when-you-engage-in-vote-manipulation/#comment-7446

22:25:34 assbot: It's Easy To Call Us A Tiny Minority When You Engage In Vote Manipulation | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1udziRn )

22:25:46 mircea_popescu: the redditards are kinda too easy to poke fun at

22:34:33 danielpbarron: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2sn71a/come_byhangout_and_tip_nsfw/cnr1fat

22:34:34 assbot: Billistixx comments on Come by,hangout and tip! NSFW ... ( http://bit.ly/1udAqEI )

22:35:19 asciilifeform: what is with reddit and the 'tipping' thing? is everyone 'roleplaying' a waiter, a bootblack ?

22:35:30 mircea_popescu: on reddit ? yes.

22:36:38 asciilifeform: what's the appeal ? i find it hard to picture any of them amassing any kind of serious coin this way

22:36:54 danielpbarron: they feel like they are doing something

22:37:04 asciilifeform: or is it a kind of chumpatronic acid trip, like lotteries

22:37:05 danielpbarron: like johnny appleseed or something

22:37:36 danielpbarron: johnny millibit

22:43:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no im pretty sure he has it. "they feel like they're doing something". much like their education.

22:43:43 mircea_popescu: not learning anything, but hey, they've gone to college.

22:43:55 mircea_popescu: same here : not doing anything, but hey, they're "involved" with bitcoin.

22:45:12 asciilifeform: the part that's puzzling is - a classical cargo cult has 'the airplane flies', or an analogous prayed-for outcome

22:45:19 asciilifeform: what do the reddit folks want ?

22:45:24 mircea_popescu: "change the world"

22:45:30 mircea_popescu: "innovate" "revolutionize"

22:45:36 mircea_popescu: practically, everything turning to shit.

22:45:50 mircea_popescu: also, if they never hear a dissenting opinion ever again that'll be soon enough.

22:46:04 asciilifeform: the earlier crowed of 'early adopting' cultist weirdos made considerably more sense to me. they just wanted 'to get rich,' i.e., to quit their jobs

22:46:12 davout: they kind of think that some random guy that never heard about bitcoin will be thrilled to receive a fraction of a cent in magic internet money, redeem it, and start spreading adopshun

22:46:21 asciilifeform: *crowd

22:47:07 mircea_popescu: yes. as ideas spread on the internet, the derps they touch become increasingly nonsensical.

22:47:20 mircea_popescu: early computer program almost made sense, even to me.

22:48:27 davout: somehow they're too dumb to realize that their 'tips' are more insulting and spammy than anything...

22:49:09 mircea_popescu: hey, the average domestic animal regards its keeper as an animal of the same age and the same gender as it is.

22:49:26 mircea_popescu: so... what do you mean not everybody on the internet is a dumbass ?

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22:53:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 221 @ 0.00639953 = 1.4143 BTC [+] {4}

22:54:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 470 @ 0.0064553 = 3.034 BTC [+] {4}

22:54:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 260 @ 0.00649999 = 1.69 BTC [+] {2}

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23:18:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3235 @ 0.00045561 = 1.4739 BTC [-]

23:21:12 artifexd: <asciilifeform> speaking of which, did artifexd follow mircea_popescu's prescription and use a hacked gpg for 'gossip' ? << No. I'm using go's openpgp code. However, I'm structuring the code so that I can later add the option do the crypto via a shell out to gpg. Then you can use whatever version of gpg your heart desires.

23:21:26 asciilifeform: go?

23:21:33 artifexd: Yes

23:21:38 asciilifeform: and shell-out ?!?!

23:21:42 artifexd: Yes

23:21:44 asciilifeform: that's deadly slow

23:21:56 asciilifeform: per packet ?!?!

23:22:03 artifexd: The shell out will be slow. Yup.

23:23:05 *: asciilifeform will not be using this horror, will run his own client.

23:24:24 *: asciilifeform is rather sad to learn what he just learned.

23:25:17 davout: he just said it would be an option...

23:25:25 asciilifeform: davout: read again

23:25:55 artifexd: read what again? davout is correct.

23:25:57 davout: "later add the option do the crypto via a shell out to gpg"

23:26:00 asciilifeform: davout: 1) his gizmo is in 'go', a google-proprietary turdlang 2) he's using its built-in crypto routines 3) if you don't like this, have fun waiting 300-500msec/packet using the shell-callout

23:26:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ knew this ?

23:26:28 artifexd: I'm not going to write in lisp.

23:26:35 asciilifeform: i wouldn't either

23:26:56 artifexd: He said "write it in whatever you want as long as it compiles on linux"

23:27:16 davout: is go proprietary?

23:27:24 asciilifeform: the original rfc also mentioned specifically use of gpg cryptoroutines

23:27:43 artifexd: Yeah. Hence the shell out.

23:27:54 davout: iirc it said 'steal some gpg code' can be wrong here tho

23:28:22 asciilifeform: 'go' is a turd that i will not have on my systems.

23:28:32 asciilifeform: along with 'java', 'c#', etc.

23:28:55 davout: rfc sez "Steal gpg code - any version prior to the Snowden defection"

23:29:16 artifexd: I could write it in C or C++ but cross compiling is an absolute nightmare that I choose not to put up with.

23:29:23 asciilifeform: cross-compiling ?

23:29:34 asciilifeform: why?

23:29:41 artifexd: Because I'm writing it.

23:29:50 asciilifeform: yes, but why cross?

23:30:04 asciilifeform: what are you developing on? a vax ?

23:30:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea, it's an open spec.

23:30:16 artifexd: My daily dev machine is Windows.

23:30:20 asciilifeform: !b 1

23:30:21 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2H031NX.txt )

23:30:28 artifexd: My alternate dev machine is OSX.

23:30:42 artifexd: I have linux servers and vm's that I use for testing.

23:30:47 mircea_popescu: go for windows ?

23:31:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the problem anyway, you weren't going to run his binaries ? no os compiler for it ?

23:31:21 asciilifeform: i don't run other folks' binaries.

23:31:27 artifexd: go compiles on the big os's. Windows/Linux/OSX/BSD

23:31:27 mircea_popescu: right.

23:31:40 asciilifeform: and i fucking hate turdlangs.

23:31:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you be specific ?

23:31:56 mircea_popescu: i know about as much of go as i know about hawaii.

23:32:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a google-proprietary language similar to 'd.'

23:32:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nominally open-source, but in the same sense as apple's 'darwin' kernel - that is, nobody who isn't paid, reads it

23:32:36 mircea_popescu: so c is a gnu proprietary language ? what's a proprietary language ?

23:32:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: massive megalith of vendor libs, that one is expected to use

23:33:04 mircea_popescu: so it has open compiler but not open libs ?

23:33:12 artifexd: All the libs are open

23:33:13 asciilifeform: it's all, theoretically, open

23:33:17 mircea_popescu: wouldn't one expect the libs also compile ?!

23:33:24 asciilifeform: but developed exclusively, afaik, for x86 and arm

23:33:29 mircea_popescu: ...

23:33:41 mircea_popescu: what else is there ?!

23:33:48 asciilifeform: the free world.

23:34:01 mircea_popescu: ... i run x86 ? don't you ?

23:34:10 asciilifeform: i run virtually every arch i know of.

23:34:17 mircea_popescu: and right now ?

23:34:27 asciilifeform: 86

23:34:46 asciilifeform: but would like the option of getting off it. esp. for particular applications.

23:34:56 mircea_popescu: so what do you want to run it on ?

23:35:01 asciilifeform: as discussed a few days ago, i recently installed a mips64 router.

23:35:07 asciilifeform: would like, for example, to run on that.

23:35:14 mircea_popescu: mips gossipd ?

23:35:15 asciilifeform: incidentally everything that runs on it, is built on it.

23:35:18 asciilifeform: yes.

23:35:28 mircea_popescu: that pretty much means c - only you realise ?

23:35:32 asciilifeform: yes.

23:35:51 asciilifeform: it is in fact possible to write correct 'c', you know.

23:36:06 mircea_popescu: well you know it occurs to me it'd be a lot more productive if you go in early with a "hey, could it please be c ? i would like to run this on mips" discussion than a late paniucwhen guy picks whatever he happened to pick.

23:36:09 mircea_popescu: at least it's not ruby.

23:36:19 asciilifeform: i didn't commission the thing, lol

23:36:43 davout: mircea_popescu: what's so wrong with ruby anyway?

23:36:46 asciilifeform: was sorta trying to keep my dirty hands off it

23:37:02 mircea_popescu: apparently go is acutally used on mips ?

23:37:17 asciilifeform: it quite possibly can be made to run on bigengian mips

23:37:20 mircea_popescu: davout let's keep the drama one strand at a time

23:37:30 asciilifeform: it didn't even occur to me that anyone would write such a thing in anything other than c

23:37:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform openwrt apparently

23:37:37 davout: i was about to add 'specifically?' :D

23:38:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so other people like other languages, big whoop.

23:39:15 asciilifeform: it isn't simply an 'other language', it's a massive toolchain created and maintained by a usg satrap.

23:39:27 asciilifeform: and used scarcely anywhere else

23:40:01 asciilifeform: i know of no reason to put one lick of trust in its crypto libs, for example.

23:40:19 mircea_popescu: well, conversely, now they get to be reviewed.

23:40:25 asciilifeform: by whom ?

23:40:26 mircea_popescu: apparently first ever.

23:40:28 mircea_popescu: by you lol

23:40:31 asciilifeform: nope.

23:40:39 mircea_popescu: you won't run it or read it ?

23:41:15 asciilifeform: i'll run own client. (will tweak it for compatibility with the rest of you, when i have a little time.) and invite anyone who wishes, to read.

23:41:53 mircea_popescu: so basically you want to write your own c variant ?

23:42:00 asciilifeform: i mostly have.

23:42:15 mircea_popescu: well so why do you want him to also write it in c ? go is a better choice neh ?

23:42:36 asciilifeform: better choice ?!

23:42:49 mircea_popescu: well yes. that way it gets implemented in two languages.

23:44:58 *: asciilifeform was simply floored with mindfuck that anyone would choose google's turdlang for a piece of critical infrastructure, and could not resist ringing the bell

23:45:42 mircea_popescu: but i still dunno wtf is wrong with it. so, it has open compiler. it has open libraries.

23:45:49 mircea_popescu: supposedly nobody ever read these

23:45:56 mircea_popescu: well... guess what ? nobody ever read fucking linux, either.

23:45:58 asciilifeform: it wasn't around in '89. won't build on a vax.

23:46:06 asciilifeform: basically, does not predate the age of corruption.

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23:46:24 mircea_popescu: listen, if you don't start fucking girls born after X at some point, you'll be stuck in wrinkle heaven.

23:46:28 asciilifeform: and tainted with known satanic minion's juice.

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23:46:46 mircea_popescu: anything specific re juice ?

23:46:49 asciilifeform: google

23:46:58 mircea_popescu: no, that's vague lol.

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23:47:17 asciilifeform: not that vague. google brass dine with the fuhrer regularly, etc. this is well-known.

23:47:34 mircea_popescu: dude you can't impeach people on the grounds that they ate with hitler.

23:47:47 asciilifeform: not merely ate.

23:48:01 asciilifeform: google is the i.g.farben of this particular hitler.

23:48:16 mircea_popescu: well ok, sure, but still. i dun see the problem, so b-a guy wants to play with go. his choice, his signature, why is this an issue.

23:48:59 asciilifeform: and fella uses a winblows box for daily life ?!?!

23:49:12 asciilifeform: someone still remains here in #b-a, of such a habit?

23:49:20 asciilifeform: i confess, never imagined this could be.

23:49:25 mircea_popescu: well it's basically like an older ubuntu.

23:49:35 asciilifeform: l0l!

23:49:45 mircea_popescu: trust people, ignore things eh ?

23:50:10 mircea_popescu: if i pick a barber i don't go by the straight razor brand.

23:50:26 asciilifeform: but suppose he lubricates the razor in his own liquid shit.

23:50:35 asciilifeform: will still 'trust the man, ignore the things' ?

23:50:38 mircea_popescu: can you point to this ?

23:50:56 mircea_popescu: and dun say "google" again lol.

23:51:22 asciilifeform: let's say, specifically the use of questionable crypto routines

23:51:39 mircea_popescu: if only great wautu blessed us with some unquestionable crypto routines.

23:51:54 asciilifeform: lol

23:52:20 mircea_popescu: anyway. guy can use whatever crypto routines he's comfortable with, on the general understanding that he's read them and is actually comfortable with them

23:52:28 mircea_popescu: as opposed to... well... it's what the build pulled in.

23:52:38 asciilifeform: i'll save the rest for when artifexd posts his apparatus.

23:53:08 asciilifeform: don't want to discourage people - but also can't see wtf is wrong with using same environment gpg was written and built in.

23:53:42 mircea_popescu: seems a reasonable approach tbh, but generally people should free to use whatever they wish to use.

23:54:07 artifexd: How could the crypto routines be compromised in a way that would matter? Weak key generation? gossipd doesn't generate keys. Weak rng during encryption? I pick the rng (and can offer an option for you to supply your own). Encrypting a message with an "extra" key so peet can read it? That should be easy to see in the code.

23:54:35 asciilifeform: doesn't generate keys?!

23:54:42 mircea_popescu: artifexd weak encryption altogether.

23:54:42 asciilifeform: where do the ephemeral keys come from

23:54:51 asciilifeform: or the blockcipher symmetrics?

23:55:10 mircea_popescu: artifexd not to be taken lightly this. a lot can be compromised in gossipd crypto.

23:55:10 artifexd: I'm talking about the identity keys.

23:55:23 asciilifeform: them - sure. but they are not the only keys.

23:56:09 mircea_popescu: even if you use rsa-only keys, you can rsa-encrypt a message so that it's easier to break but still decryptable by destination.

23:56:18 mircea_popescu: numerous attacks/approaches for this purpose.

23:56:22 asciilifeform: this is very easy to achieve.

23:56:48 artifexd: Can you do it?

23:56:57 artifexd: Can you explain to me how *I* could do it?

23:57:05 artifexd: Point me to education?

23:57:18 asciilifeform: artifexd: certainly. search for term of art 'kleptography.'

23:57:24 *: mircea_popescu is in awe at discussion suddenly turned productive.

23:57:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform good time to be very speciffic.

23:58:01 mircea_popescu: Using Cryptography Against Cryptography. Adam Young and Moti Yung.

23:58:02 asciilifeform: artifexd: i recommend a particular monograph, 'malicious crypto' by a. l. young & moti m. young.

23:58:07 mircea_popescu: hah

23:58:09 asciilifeform: lol mircea_popescu inb4

23:59:13 asciilifeform: artifexd: well-thumbed copy of this right here on my desk. beautiful book, if you skip all the parts that must have been thrown in to give it a sensational/saleable 'seekoority' flavour (vignette about h4xx0rz shuffling floppies around in ch.1, mostly)

23:59:49 asciilifeform: artifexd: the most basic 'kleptography' takes the form of slipping bits of key into variables which are normally random. but there are more subtle channels.

23:59:56 asciilifeform: (term of art 'covert channel')