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00:02:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00050943 = 7.6924 BTC [+]

00:08:31 mircea_popescu: !rate irdial 1 new blood

00:08:31 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8522aded55a732a2

00:08:55 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.irdial.1:857be4f2206704b1b9b80f466b11a034fafdce66794f1e3a414e7b592b941e57

00:08:55 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for irdial with note: new blood

00:13:25 mircea_popescu: " While the introduction of the FDIC and similar programs decentralized trust in financial institutions from one party to two, transactions in much of the world do not offer such protections. Even with such programs, individuals are not universally protected from loss across borders and over certain value."

00:13:26 mircea_popescu: da fuck.

00:19:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9138 @ 0.00050943 = 4.6552 BTC [+] {3}

00:24:22 thestringpuller: how does the FDIC decentralize trust

00:24:39 thestringpuller: it's like "daddy i got robbed can I have more money plz" "sure honey lemme just start up my printer"

00:26:06 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

00:26:07 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 367.62, Best ask: 367.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 367.57, 24 hour volume: 128368.49364011, 24 hour low: 357.02, 24 hour high: 428.92, 24 hour vwap: None

00:26:39 shinohai: MaidSafe: http://i.imgur.com/zzTxIsF.jpg?1

00:26:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sngr6a )

00:26:40 mircea_popescu: in fact the fdic centralized banking to an unsanitary degree.

00:30:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2535 @ 0.00050943 = 1.2914 BTC [+]

00:35:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00050869 = 8.1645 BTC [-] {3}

00:42:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33326 @ 0.00050943 = 16.9773 BTC [+]

00:43:14 BingoBoingo: Anyone want this week's wall street lolz?

00:43:54 mircea_popescu: lol 35k sold and we're not even at november levels ? this is pitiful.

00:44:00 shinohai: O.o Bundy supporter arrested!

00:44:20 mircea_popescu: instacorrections and errything.

00:44:24 BingoBoingo: shinohai: I gotta go to my Friday meeting soon. Somebody look into and mebbe write it up?

00:44:38 shinohai: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/protester_arrested_in_burns_dr.html

00:44:38 assbot: Protester arrested in Burns, accused of driving stolen refuge vehicle | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q3Vqdo )

00:45:35 mircea_popescu: shinohai wasn't that yesterday ?

00:50:55 mircea_popescu: !up locksley

00:53:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00050943 = 9.0679 BTC [+]

00:57:21 shinohai: first i had seen o f it weird

00:58:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3597 @ 0.00050531 = 1.8176 BTC [-] {2}

00:59:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3003 @ 0.00050478 = 1.5159 BTC [-]

01:00:35 BingoBoingo: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 << 6!

01:00:36 assbot: Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeJp6j )

01:05:52 mircea_popescu: this is good for bitcoin.

01:07:41 mircea_popescu: /therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/ << how come this wasn't 0.99.99.99 anyway ?

01:11:18 danielpbarron: shinohai> MaidSafe: http.. << I met her at porcfest

01:11:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00050943 = 5.4509 BTC [+]

01:12:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i left the original format string intact

01:12:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but you can trivially set it to whatever

01:12:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i only see 5 ?

01:13:01 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One got rebooted

01:16:13 shinohai: lol danielpbarron

01:16:21 shinohai: sorry I couldn't resist

01:16:26 danielpbarron: sorry for what?

01:16:43 shinohai: porkfest?

01:17:48 shinohai: !s maidsafe

01:17:48 assbot: 91 results for 'maidsafe' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=maidsafe

01:18:58 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To be fair #6 is a ways from sync'ing

01:19:04 asciilifeform: am i the only one who thinks of... chastity belt, when reads 'maidsafe'

01:19:23 BingoBoingo: not anymore

01:19:32 BingoBoingo: brb, meeting

01:20:09 mircea_popescu: i can't recall wtf that shartup was supposed to be doing anyway

01:20:33 mircea_popescu: other than getting random derps to self-importantly all over themselves at "conferences" and other pleb gatherings.

01:20:46 danielpbarron: cloud storage on a blockchain or something

01:22:32 asciilifeform: the thing-these-supposedly-are is usually an afterthought

01:22:59 asciilifeform: apparently the mere promise of 'this is the next thing' is sufficient scambait for avaricious idiots

01:23:30 asciilifeform: (for instance, i still don't really know what neobee supposedly was to have done)

01:23:51 asciilifeform: but apparently this aspect is not essential..

01:28:10 mircea_popescu: brick and mortar!!11

01:28:25 mircea_popescu: apparently overhead is now a selling point. somehow.

01:29:30 mircea_popescu: im sitting here chuckling privately over that roamning mode ssh thing.

01:29:43 mircea_popescu: fucking lulzy software.

01:36:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do we have a name yet ?

01:37:45 asciilifeform: (though in this case, it is likely to be names - plural)

01:38:50 asciilifeform: and, the mega-question

01:39:16 asciilifeform: ... was it one of the numerous scurrying vermin theo allows himself to be surrounded by?

01:42:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00050454 = 5.449 BTC [-] {3}

01:56:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14337 @ 0.00050382 = 7.2233 BTC [-] {4}

02:03:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00050283 = 4.1232 BTC [-] {2}

02:10:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14732 @ 0.00050682 = 7.4665 BTC [+] {2}

02:11:44 mod6: ;;ticker

02:11:45 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 369.03, Best ask: 369.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 369.1, 24 hour volume: 136230.01105651, 24 hour low: 357.02, 24 hour high: 423.29, 24 hour vwap: None

02:18:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00050943 = 2.3434 BTC [+]

02:21:48 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.50000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b30

02:28:48 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b73

02:34:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00050942 = 3.1075 BTC [-]

03:05:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00049671 = 4.9919 BTC [-] {4}

03:08:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3383 @ 0.00050078 = 1.6941 BTC [+] {2}

03:09:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4901 @ 0.00050079 = 2.4544 BTC [+]

03:11:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00050563 = 6.826 BTC [+] {2}

03:18:25 pete_dushenski: tevye update : synced, 16 connex, 825 mb memory, 333 mb vswap in use.

03:19:00 mod6: ^5

03:19:51 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371845 << obligatory >> http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/20/the-brokenness-of-maidsafe/

03:19:51 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 00:26:39; shinohai: MaidSafe: http://i.imgur.com/zzTxIsF.jpg?1

03:19:53 assbot: The Brokenness of MaidSafe | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrkRW7 )

03:21:04 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371864 << go joe's datacentre !

03:21:04 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 01:00:35; BingoBoingo: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 << 6!

03:21:19 pete_dushenski: mod6: not 6 ?

03:21:36 mod6: haha

03:21:42 mod6: ^6 it is then

03:22:38 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371072 << isn't this an absurdly long sync time ?

03:22:38 assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 12:12:28; mircea_popescu: my 3 week old node is at 332425

03:22:57 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371071 << and this too !!1

03:22:57 assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 12:11:09; shinohai: 3 months? Running for first time with -verifyall

03:23:33 pete_dushenski: mebbe i'm missing something here

03:25:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00050583 = 1.2646 BTC [+] {3}

03:25:11 mod6: iirc, to fully sync a node /before/ -verifyall or orphanage burner were even a thing, took me ~8-10 days on a medium sized AWS server. now its a bit longer with those two in play.

03:28:29 pete_dushenski: nuts. i didn't think my vm was anything special, but it was less than a week to fully sync up 99997k

03:28:48 pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, "Apple Inc said it will soon start charging for iTunes Radio, its music-streaming service that competes with Pandora Media Inc."

03:29:40 pete_dushenski: so apple can buy russia (tm) (r) but still has to nickel and dime the poor users of its shrinking sandboxes

03:35:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.000496 = 19.468 BTC [-] {5}

03:39:25 mircea_popescu: ... was it one of the numerous scurrying vermin theo allows himself to be surrounded by? << hard to tell. derpy oversight ? who knows.

03:41:19 *: BingoBoingo has yet to see drama overflow into openbsd-misc so dunno where it is happening

03:42:59 BingoBoingo: For archaeologists http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/outrageous-roaming-fees

03:43:00 assbot: outrageous roaming fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQ8Nyo )

03:43:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13493 @ 0.00050262 = 6.7819 BTC [+] {2}

03:56:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00050657 = 2.9888 BTC [+] {2}

04:08:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2406 @ 0.00050658 = 1.2188 BTC [+]

04:14:32 BingoBoingo: Quantrill is at block 134118 beginning to feel some CPU constraints

04:14:50 pete_dushenski: why not take it off 8333 until synced ?

04:15:09 BingoBoingo: Because what other ports should it have open?

04:15:36 *: pete_dushenski not the right guy to answer this

04:16:10 BingoBoingo: Anyways provided Joe's people provided accurate accounting for the wares they are leasing processor in box is "Opteron 170" so not the newest bos in the world

04:17:55 pete_dushenski: "Only a passing mention of the post-Google salary he was drawing from United States Government security agency linked venture capital firm Andreessen1 Horowitz was offered by Popper." << reads funny. maybe missing a hyphen, or a comma, or needs a new ordering or something.

04:18:11 pete_dushenski: "Blockchain handling databased changed to LevelDB" << database

04:18:49 pete_dushenski: "itz was offered by Popper. The focus of Popper's piece is" << also, switch of tenses in same paragraph

04:22:44 BingoBoingo: fxd

04:23:04 mircea_popescu: yeah that spaghetti needs untangling.

04:23:20 mircea_popescu: you and your yurpean prosody bb, what do you think, you're italian now ?

04:23:59 BingoBoingo: I honestly have no idea

04:24:42 pete_dushenski: bbias. have to move car underground. it's going to be -33c overnight...

04:25:28 mircea_popescu: popper nearly forgot to mention that his employer these days is USG agency AH or something.

04:32:11 mircea_popescu: and incidentally : by now you've got a tell of prime order in this wordiness business. i see you can't get something out in less than eight complements i know you're not altogether happy with it. the thing is - consider cutting it out altogether if that's the case.

04:32:32 mircea_popescu: not like there's such a shortage of bitchslapping you're stuck using the whole chicken, feathers and all.

04:34:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14093 @ 0.00050658 = 7.1392 BTC [+]

04:35:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00050775 = 5.8137 BTC [+] {3}

04:35:17 mod6: <+BingoBoingo> Because what other ports should it have open? << you should only open incoming port 8333 when you want people to connect to your node to sync ~from you~

04:36:36 mod6: <+pete_dushenski> bbias. have to move car underground. it's going to be -33c overnight... << -27.4 F, yep, that'll chill ya out. makes for pretty hard & fast ice tho. so there's the upside there.

04:44:54 mod6: who's up to speed on DER?

04:45:58 mod6: I've made a patch to remove high-S, added in patch, recompiled, restarted bitcoind and then sent a tx. here's what I'm looking at from a dumpblock of that tx:

04:46:01 mod6: http://dpaste.com/3EXKA4D.txt

04:46:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UWl9Wk )

04:46:40 mod6: I think I've got those R & S values picked out correctly, right? Anyone have any thoughts on this?

04:49:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2635 @ 0.00050446 = 1.3293 BTC [-] {2}

04:58:09 pete_dushenski: mod6: these kinds of temps do indeed make for excellent ice. and though it's a bit brisk for du patinage, the ice on whyte festival is on this weekend just down the street from my place (https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=ice%20on%20whyte), for which it's -30c for every second year and +5c on the alternates. i'll bundle up and take it this way. it's sorta sad to watch the ice sculptures melting.

05:04:15 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] In which Pete has way too much fun at Law School, Part III. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/15/in-which-pete-has-way-too-much-fun-at-law-school-part-iii/

05:19:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00050724 = 4.5652 BTC [+] {3}

05:47:27 BingoBoingo: !up linton_s_dawson

05:47:32 BingoBoingo: it happens

05:52:12 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371076 << i just remembered that 'international' made pretty much exactly this house-towing, sidewalk-shredding, lamppost-buckling "pick-up" from 2004 - 2008. called the 'cxt' and priced right at $100k. though it weighed 7 tonnes (15k lbs), it had a 7.6l diesel engine with 220hp and 540 lb. ft. of torque and was capable of hauling or towing up to 6 tonness

05:52:12 assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 12:16:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370904 << in truth, engine miniaturization has proceeded to the point where this product would be marketable : a 4x4 "true" SUV with a pick-up truck option that has a 2-3 liter gasoline engine with a gpl add-on (so you can run it either on full gasoline, or do gasoline starting and run on gas) that autoswitches from powering the drive train to powering

05:52:23 pete_dushenski: http://image.trucktrend.com/f/features/news/2013/1310_2005_international_cxt_historical_flashbacks/55048118/2005-International-CXT-front-view-in-motion.jpg

05:52:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQjcKy )

05:53:17 pete_dushenski: it was discontinued due to poor sales.

05:53:51 pete_dushenski: though a few of them are still to be found on the streets around here. though a lamborghini is a more common sighting.

05:55:20 BingoBoingo: They really should reintroduce it this year

05:56:13 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

05:56:20 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 371.22, vol: 35524.57929436 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 373.063, vol: 24358.00231 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 372.51, vol: 121576.55024584 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 375.981487, vol: 92646.55420000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 373.32, vol: 609.38427365 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.909088, vol: 308.93380557 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

05:56:21 BingoBoingo: ;;more

05:56:21 gribble: average: 373.574225317

05:56:29 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

05:56:30 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 372.5, Best ask: 372.51, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 372.51, 24 hour volume: 121554.83699054, 24 hour low: 357.02, 24 hour high: 417.9, 24 hour vwap: None

05:57:11 copypaste: pete_dushenski: i've changed my opinion about you because you drive a very nice car. keep up the good work

05:57:29 pete_dushenski: lolk

05:57:57 pete_dushenski: i wonder what kids would think of me if i drove a 'cxt' ?

05:58:22 pete_dushenski: probably "that asshole hates the environment. what a pig !"

05:58:33 copypaste: i'd think you were a farmer

05:58:42 copypaste: or some other american rural dweller

05:59:25 pete_dushenski: that's actually reasonably fair, even if the only guy i ever knew who owned a 'cxt' was an industrial pipe-fitter or plumber or something of the sort

06:00:19 pete_dushenski: husband of a former colleague

06:09:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00050439 = 4.363 BTC [-] {4}

06:10:36 pete_dushenski: speaking of 'international', just found the BingoBoingo-special : http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/652995075/overview/

06:10:37 assbot: 1977 International RALLY, $26,768 - Cars.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1lgP0fY )

06:11:59 BingoBoingo: That's actually not a bad price

06:13:03 pete_dushenski: ;;calc 26768/372

06:13:03 gribble: 71.9569892473

06:13:19 BingoBoingo: Of course it's a bad price in BTC

06:13:25 pete_dushenski: ;)

06:13:35 BingoBoingo: But it's not a bad price in say Ohio McMansions

06:13:45 pete_dushenski: heh

06:14:13 pete_dushenski: too bad ohio mcmansions aren't on the blockchain then

06:14:50 pete_dushenski: (yes, wall streeters reading this, ~the~ blockchain, not "a")

06:15:05 BingoBoingo: Well you gotta blame the20year for that problem

06:15:26 pete_dushenski: obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/19/there-is-no-bitcoin-2-0/

06:15:28 assbot: There Is No "Bitcoin 2.0" | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQlhWR )

06:15:41 pete_dushenski: wow, almost two years ago eh

06:15:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00050166 = 3.01 BTC [-] {2}

06:15:55 pete_dushenski: ;;seen The20yearirc

06:15:55 gribble: I have not seen The20yearirc.

06:16:02 pete_dushenski: what was it..

06:16:27 pete_dushenski: ;;seen the20yearirclous

06:16:27 gribble: I have not seen the20yearirclous.

06:16:30 pete_dushenski: fuck

06:16:39 pete_dushenski: ;;seen The20YearIRCloud

06:16:39 gribble: The20YearIRCloud was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 29 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: Why/where?

06:18:23 pete_dushenski: for the n00bs, The20YearIRCloud was (is?) the operator of https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT

06:18:24 assbot: Havelock Investments ... ( http://bit.ly/1lgPWRB )

06:19:27 BingoBoingo: Could not get his tenants to take pictures with posters for dope money

06:20:17 pete_dushenski: he could've taken the pics himself, collected the donations too

06:42:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00050567 = 7.9643 BTC [+]

06:46:57 BingoBoingo: In other news Qntra comment to post differential is now back up to 304

06:47:05 BingoBoingo: !up kingking190

06:47:22 kingking190: Hey guys ^_^

06:47:28 BingoBoingo: o hai

06:47:39 kingking190: How is bitcoin doing tonight ?

06:48:02 BingoBoingo: Wonderful

06:48:30 kingking190: so what are you guys up to ?

06:49:06 pete_dushenski: playing house. you wanna be the fireman or the doctor ?

06:49:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3658 @ 0.00050727 = 1.8556 BTC [+]

06:49:41 kingking190: whats the price now ?

06:49:52 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

06:49:57 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 366.72, vol: 35499.20733251 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 365.821, vol: 24741.42222 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 368.3, vol: 122413.87469575 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 373.387818, vol: 94005.37010000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 367.16001, vol: 610.30129482 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.909088, vol: 307.3416549 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

06:50:00 BingoBoingo: ;;more

06:50:00 gribble: average: 369.612942207

06:50:04 kingking190: thanks

06:50:09 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb

06:50:16 gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2452.62, vol: 94010.96910000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2452.62

06:50:26 kingking190: rmb ?

06:50:27 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency gbp

06:50:34 gribble: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 257.217408, vol: 35499.29556780 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 257.7645, vol: 24771.86207 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 263.025, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 261.962244, vol: 94006.93770000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 260.0, vol: 44.73258408 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 267.882346, vol: 307.3416549 | Volume-weighted last average: 260.211990616

06:50:35 BingoBoingo: kingking190: Chicom funny money

06:51:12 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency eur

06:51:19 gribble: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 336.062208, vol: 35499.15579493 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 341.1693, vol: 520.84706 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 343.65, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 342.198688, vol: 94011.45260000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 338.64001, vol: 23064.895381 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 346.21, vol: 307.6416549 | Volume-weighted last average: 340.248534409

06:52:37 punkman: bon dia

06:52:54 pete_dushenski: hola senor

06:55:13 punkman: nice price eh

06:57:17 pete_dushenski: higher than it was last year at this time :)

07:04:23 kingking190: ;;ticker -- market all

07:04:24 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)

07:05:53 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371961 << speaking of which, are transactions without strict-DER encoding still getting through?

07:05:53 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 04:44:54; mod6: who's up to speed on DER?

07:06:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8224 @ 0.00050726 = 4.1717 BTC [-]

07:07:01 kingking190: ;;ticker --market all

07:07:08 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 366.87, vol: 35390.33590136 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 367.296, vol: 24740.45312 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 369.45, vol: 123089.05550487 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 372.2212, vol: 94584.78930000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 368.3101, vol: 609.35545635 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.887264, vol: 295.46809622 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

07:07:25 pete_dushenski: !gettrust kingking190

07:07:25 assbot: kingking190 is not registered in WoT.

07:07:32 pete_dushenski: get in the wot, wouldja

07:07:40 BingoBoingo: punkman: No, incapable of getting mined into a block that won't be orphaned

07:08:52 punkman: for mod6 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5713/files

07:08:54 assbot: Implement BIP66 by sipa · Pull Request #5713 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UWwJRu )

07:10:35 kingking190: who me ?

07:11:40 BingoBoingo: yes you

07:12:27 pete_dushenski: couldn't be ! then who ? number two !

07:12:50 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371193 << i actually got it and i'm not even a soviet refugee

07:12:50 assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 15:28:39; ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371101 << l0lz!! am i the only one who gets this ref

07:14:42 kingking190: How do i get Wot ?

07:14:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00050725 = 4.4638 BTC [-]

07:14:47 BingoBoingo: !help

07:14:47 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

07:14:50 BingoBoingo: that

07:14:59 kingking190: yes sir

07:15:27 pete_dushenski: kingking190: http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/

07:15:29 assbot: Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvuPYi )

07:20:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22431 @ 0.00050082 = 11.2339 BTC [-] {5}

07:22:37 BingoBoingo: !up kingking190

07:24:56 kingking190: hmmm says as a windows user i can't get wot ? >_>

07:25:53 BingoBoingo: Mebbe fix the windows user part?

07:25:59 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371450 <-- ? --> http://dailyheadlines.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Screen-Shot-2015-07-10-at-11.30.24-PM.png

07:25:59 assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 18:09:07; *: trinque tries to find that picture of guy with american flag planted in his ass, can't

07:26:14 BingoBoingo: Got a crappy old laptop you can try linux on kingking190

07:26:43 kingking190: lol i have linux on my server :P

07:26:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14255 @ 0.00049895 = 7.1125 BTC [-]

07:27:05 pete_dushenski: or mebbe more like http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/b/batista/17.jpg

07:27:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UWyy0H )

07:27:10 BingoBoingo: A server's a pretty shitty place to keep personal private key material

07:27:33 pete_dushenski: bout the same as windows, really

07:27:35 kingking190: >_< i don't keep anything personal on there mate.............

07:27:45 kingking190: same with windows.......

07:27:57 pete_dushenski: you have any bitcoin ?

07:28:10 kingking190: >_> yes and its safe from you.

07:28:14 kingking190: :P

07:28:32 pete_dushenski: lemme guess, trezor ?

07:29:12 kingking190: and why would i go telling everone where it is? >_>

07:29:36 punkman: http://blog.cryptsy.com/post/137323646202/announcement mega-lol

07:29:37 assbot: Cryptsy Blog — Announcement ... ( http://bit.ly/2364INd )

07:29:44 kingking190: like yes yell to the world where my safe is lol

07:31:02 BingoBoingo: kingking190: Well you're actually supposed to do that the the decoy safe you keep full of FOOF

07:31:11 BingoBoingo: !s FOOF

07:31:12 assbot: 5 results for 'FOOF' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=FOOF

07:31:42 kingking190: well in that case yes its on this computer.......

07:31:59 punkman: "At one time we had a open communication with Secret Service Agent Shaun Bridges on an unrelated matter, but I think we all know what happened with him – so he was no longer somebody we could report this to.  Recently I attempted to contact the Miami FBI office to report this, but they instead directed me to report it on the I3C website.  I’ve not heard anything from them."

07:32:05 kingking190: btw the back doors are open for everyone lol :P

07:32:28 BingoBoingo: kingking190: If your computer was full of FOOF I doubt it would be on, much less on irc.

07:33:01 kingking190: lol so when do you guys think of buy more bitcoin ?

07:33:08 BingoBoingo: Might as well if you can

07:33:10 punkman: erryday

07:33:30 pete_dushenski: punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-01-2016#1370753

07:33:30 assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 04:19:52; pete_dushenski: blame irc for all the world's problems !!

07:33:39 BingoBoingo: kingking190: Us poorfags though who can not afford FOOF are stuck with thermite

07:35:59 kingking190: YAY thermite !!!

07:37:15 kingking190: I have a mac but too lazy to go down to the car and get it.

07:37:28 kingking190: its -20f here :(

07:38:03 pete_dushenski: brisk, baby

07:38:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00049295 = 3.6232 BTC [-] {2}

07:38:24 BingoBoingo: -20f is too warm a temperature for storing FOOF

07:39:14 BingoBoingo: far too warm

07:39:16 kingking190: seems dead in here

07:39:19 kingking190: lol

07:39:38 BingoBoingo: key line generators are asleep

07:39:54 kingking190: ;;ticker --market all

07:40:00 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 360.0, vol: 35286.08020648 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 359.123, vol: 25400.10303 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 360.5, vol: 126585.24866502 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 364.598585, vol: 97736.48050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 364.144, vol: 630.52793496 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 365.562912, vol: 296.11653737 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

07:40:08 kingking190: yay drop more !!!!

07:41:41 punkman: kingking190: you should probably get an old laptop and airgap it, then you can safely generate both GPG and Bitcoin keys on it

07:42:09 kingking190: ya i should

07:42:16 kingking190: just too lazy right now

07:44:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10673 @ 0.00049894 = 5.3252 BTC [+] {2}

07:44:17 BingoBoingo: Also consider getting a FOOF system for the Patek Phillipe of fail deadly area denial

07:44:34 kingking190: hmmm ?

07:44:53 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371581 << growing up, mine as well. they're actually native to these parts, if rare. their 'snowshoe' paws always fascinated me.

07:44:53 assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 19:04:36; ascii_butugychag: lynx happens to be my favourite felid

07:45:49 kingking190: How do i WoT on here ?

07:45:54 BingoBoingo: kingking190: Here's a primer on FOOF http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride

07:45:57 assbot: Things I Won’t Work With: Dioxygen Difluoride | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/2365F88 )

07:46:28 pete_dushenski: kingking190: less talking more reading.

07:46:38 kingking190: lol

07:46:43 BingoBoingo: How do i WoT on here ? << You basically read up for a few months, demonstrate you aren't an irredeemable lout and less talking more doing. It works if you work it.

07:46:49 punkman: https://libreboot.org/docs/hcl/c201.html interesting

07:46:50 assbot: ASUS Chromebook C201 ... ( http://bit.ly/2365GZY )

07:48:55 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371626 << it's more like, "i have such a winning personality that beautiful people can't help but hang around me. maybe you'll be ~yet another~ such lucky person."

07:48:55 assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 19:26:39; mircea_popescu: and they never say "i'm the ugly one" either. or you know, "the short boring looking one". it's always "i'm the one in the right

07:49:24 kingking190: !register 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200

07:49:24 assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200. This may take a few moments.

07:49:25 assbot: No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.

07:49:28 pete_dushenski: it's an over-estimation of "internal" beauty.

07:50:01 pete_dushenski: kingking190: if you just made the key, make sure you've sent it to the keyservers, then wait a few for it to propagate

07:50:16 pete_dushenski: otherwise, good form so far.

07:51:39 kingking190: i had waited like 5 mins lol guess i can wait some more.

07:52:13 kingking190: !register 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200

07:52:13 assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200. This may take a few moments.

07:52:13 assbot: No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.

07:53:14 pete_dushenski: try sending to keyserver again. if you already have, just hang tight. there's no rush.

07:55:37 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371750 << gavin et al. could've at least tried something more descriptive like "bitcoin double" or "bitcoin plus" or "bitcoin extra" or "bitcoin supersize" etc etc.

07:55:37 assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 21:33:36; mircea_popescu: all that hard work trying to select a marginally defensible epithet and coming up with "classic"...

07:55:44 pete_dushenski: !up kingking190

07:55:49 kingking190: hmmm ok

07:56:11 kingking190: says i been registerd

07:56:43 pete_dushenski: !rate kingking190 1 let's give this a shot

07:56:43 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a5114aaf160eb22d

07:57:24 kingking190: there we go :D

07:57:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00049589 = 5.9011 BTC [-] {4}

07:57:37 pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.kingking190.1:a71e096874e6f4e4c229b49495aa87900f4636c339a49a3e27b8e180085359e1

07:57:37 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for kingking190 with note: let's give this a shot

07:57:57 kingking190: thank you much

07:58:00 pete_dushenski: now you can /msg assbot !up then decrypt the otp then !v it

07:58:06 pete_dushenski: np

07:58:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00049295 = 4.0422 BTC [-]

07:58:33 kingking190: now that part i am lost at ....

07:59:29 pete_dushenski: type `/msg assbot !up`

07:59:35 kingking190: i did...

07:59:41 BingoBoingo: !down kingking190 lurk moar until you aren't lost

07:59:41 kingking190: sent me back a link

07:59:48 pete_dushenski: then follow the link that assbot gives you

08:00:07 pete_dushenski: k. then go to the link and copy and paste it into a new txt document

08:00:51 BingoBoingo: Oh midnightmagic I thought you were done with this channel?

08:01:17 pete_dushenski: kingking190: then in your command line tool, type `gpg --decrypt filename.txt`

08:01:47 pete_dushenski: you'll enter your passphrase and it'll spit out the decrypted message

08:02:18 pete_dushenski: copy that, go back to irc and tell assbot `!v decryptedfilename.txt`

08:04:09 pete_dushenski: "The Bitcoin experiment is six years old." << hey fred wilson, it's 7 yo. can you count ?

08:05:04 pete_dushenski: kingking190: aha. wd.

08:05:09 kingking190: thanks pete for the help

08:05:32 pete_dushenski: all good :)

08:05:56 kingking190: !down BingoBoingo no help

08:06:12 pete_dushenski: kingking190: so are you a trader ? or what do you do ? you american ?

08:06:23 kingking190: american

08:06:27 kingking190: i trader for fun

08:06:42 kingking190: I am a trader for fun not tooo big..

08:06:52 kingking190: just 18 hours with out sleep.

08:07:23 pete_dushenski: aha. day job ?

08:07:45 kingking190: you know computer hacker j/k i repair computers / ETC

08:09:02 pete_dushenski: cool

08:09:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4272 @ 0.00049295 = 2.1059 BTC [-] {2}

08:09:41 kingking190: i like the job. only had it for about 60 days

08:10:39 pete_dushenski: https://youtu.be/mgw6y3cH7tA << omg burkaworx ! (tm)

08:10:40 assbot: 10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman in Hijab - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4EK5A )

08:10:41 kingking190: but the boss is nice. Plus the hours are good.

08:10:49 pete_dushenski: kingking190: what'd you do before ?

08:11:10 kingking190: >_< construction

08:11:25 pete_dushenski: yeah that's slowing down eh

08:11:43 kingking190: i hated it

08:12:12 kingking190: when i met my wife she told me. " you got one year to find a job you like or back to construction with you"

08:13:41 pete_dushenski: a woman in charge (but accommodating)

08:13:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00049295 = 4.2147 BTC [-]

08:14:08 kingking190: eh its fine i love her ^_^

08:14:27 kingking190: been with her for 3 years now.

08:14:49 pete_dushenski: if you don't mind me asking, how old are you ?

08:14:58 pete_dushenski: (to give "3 years" context)

08:14:59 kingking190: i been sick for the last week it sucks

08:15:07 kingking190: 26 now

08:15:24 pete_dushenski: ah well then 3 years is pretty decent :)

08:15:43 pete_dushenski: !up frogman_

08:15:43 ben_vulpes: o gawd pete_dushenski the cxt

08:15:48 kingking190: been married for two years now.

08:15:53 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol!

08:16:19 pete_dushenski: ima have a cxt parked next to my zonda.

08:16:28 midnightmagic: BingoBoingo: me? no, never. you guys are differently-informed than anyone else. I would miss important things if I weren't in here lurking.

08:16:40 BingoBoingo: ah

08:17:14 pete_dushenski: kingking190: cool beans. well over half the dudes in here are married / in long-term relationships so you're in good company.

08:17:23 BingoBoingo: I thought the whole sedition thing scared you off, or did the Bundy success inflate your balls at least a little bit more?

08:18:06 pete_dushenski: http://morningsteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/penis-pump-history.jpg << inflated

08:18:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4FszU )

08:18:15 kingking190: pete_dushenski, i love being married never got to wonder what i am doing this weekend lol

08:19:04 kingking190: pete_dushenski, plus always have a girl in the bed can't whine about that ^_^

08:19:17 pete_dushenski: 1 > 0

08:20:02 kingking190: ;ticker --market all

08:20:12 BingoBoingo: kingking190: What if wife breaks contract and turns into an Obeast Hamplanet?

08:20:30 kingking190: ;;ticker --market all

08:20:38 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 360.19, vol: 34416.70759602 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 358.85, vol: 26425.32616 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 362.85, vol: 126477.16867845 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 365.775864, vol: 99766.80990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 367.07, vol: 604.11409206 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 354.651021109, vol: 351.92414883 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

08:21:13 BingoBoingo: kingking190: mebbe don't spam the ticker so much? Especially if you aren't going to ;;more to get the average?

08:21:15 midnightmagic: BingoBoingo: Hrm. No, and that occupation has a terrible name. I'm Canadian. The gun culture up here is mostly ex-americans and preppers and they bury themselves where nobody can find them.

08:21:26 kingking190: BingoBoingo, ^_^ i make her RUN!!!! RUN!!!!

08:21:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00049409 = 13.6616 BTC [+] {4}

08:22:03 midnightmagic: Unless you're in Alberta! Then it's all "shit the Metis might have another uprising, argh"

08:22:33 kingking190: BingoBoingo, do you whine about everything ? or just some stuff ?

08:23:17 pete_dushenski: kingking190: that's no way for a n00b to talk, kid.

08:23:37 BingoBoingo: kingking190: I've only been sober for jsut under 3 months now. I'm still getting used to this whole deal that goes with not being a blackout drunk. Serious lifestyle changes involved.

08:24:30 kingking190: BingoBoingo, oh i'm sorry wish you the best of luck. stay sober! ( goes and grabs a beer)

08:24:37 BingoBoingo: Also discoveries made. Like coffee does a much better job promoting wakefulness when it isn't just used as a delivery vehicle for Irish cream.

08:24:44 kingking190: pete_dushenski, i am who i am kinda hard not to be.

08:25:13 pete_dushenski: if only that were true...

08:25:39 kingking190: pete_dushenski, i alway say whats on my mind ( why my wife hits me soo much LOL!!!! )

08:25:54 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Were you around for the early shittalking between n00b BingoBoingo and n00b ben_vulpes in an episode that seriously confused mircea_popescu sometime around August 2013?

08:26:33 pete_dushenski: kingking190: y'know, given your unsolicited professions of love for your wife earlier, that she hits you isn't the least bit surprising.

08:26:38 pete_dushenski: ;/

08:26:59 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: This came around the time Eve online was on its decline as a #b-a fad

08:27:08 kingking190: pete_dushenski, ^_^ she calls them love taps hahahahahaha

08:27:13 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: just ever so slightly before my time. mighta read it during my 'yeshiva' but don't recall the specifics atm.

08:27:41 frogman_: hi everyone

08:27:46 BingoBoingo: hai

08:27:53 kingking190: hello

08:27:54 frogman_: thanks pete_dushenski

08:28:42 kingking190: pete_dushenski: i am not sure the book bag was a love tap LOL >_> it was full at that time T_T

08:29:01 pete_dushenski: np frogman_. who might you be ?

08:29:15 frogman_: im a new comer to bitcoin

08:29:18 kingking190: The worlds best hacker RUN RUN RUN !!!

08:29:24 frogman_: my friend told me to check this out

08:29:33 frogman_: so im here

08:29:34 kingking190: Well welcome to Bitcoin.

08:29:40 BingoBoingo: Welcome. Keep coming back. It works when you work it.

08:30:04 frogman_: thanks

08:31:30 kingking190: pete_dushenski: so what are you doing tonight ?

08:32:04 frogman_: So im trying to buy my first bitcoin

08:32:44 kingking190: coinbase was where i got my first one... well wait i mined my first one. but the first one i got with real money lol

08:33:09 kingking190: i like coinbase setup so far.

08:33:17 frogman_: wow thats cool

08:33:28 pete_dushenski: kingking190: reading finance news/logs and blogging a bit earlier, flipping through tumblr pr0n atm. pretty standard evening.

08:34:07 kingking190: pete_dushenski: get a wife/ girl friend to help you with the pr0n.

08:34:19 frogman_: id like to buy on bitcoin otc

08:34:37 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: How's pantagruel been?

08:35:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8312 @ 0.00049295 = 4.0974 BTC [-] {2}

08:35:07 pete_dushenski: the kinda girl you marry and the kinda girl that does this https://45.media.tumblr.com/a5c6fa2e5d71aba12c394bd025276e7c/tumblr_nwow33geQK1uj17vto1_400.gif are hiiiiighly unlikely to be one and the same

08:35:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1P5AS7m )

08:35:41 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: quite well :)

08:36:50 kingking190: well then i guess my wife is rally good ^_^

08:37:17 BingoBoingo: !up cazalla

08:37:23 pete_dushenski: caz !

08:37:38 cazalla: down down, prices are down!

08:37:54 cazalla: evening

08:38:02 BingoBoingo: Have a CoinacolaclassicwithLime

08:39:18 kingking190: prices are going up up up up !!!

08:40:36 frogman_: so all of you are writing on qntra regularly :)

08:40:58 kingking190: i like to trader LTC and XMR

08:41:03 kingking190: TRade *

08:41:09 kingking190: >_< soooooo sleeply

08:41:09 BingoBoingo: A lot of people have given it a swing, but some write more regularly than others.

08:42:22 cazalla: kingking190, nah prices are definitely down, picking up all these cheaps coins will give you a hearnia!

08:42:46 BingoBoingo: Do moar squats!!!

08:43:03 pete_dushenski: deadlifts too

08:43:11 frogman_: yes specially you BingoBoingo!

08:43:51 kingking190: i will just go play with my wife some more.

08:44:15 *: pete_dushenski tried deadlifting for the first time this month. did 1.4x body weight.

08:44:29 cazalla: BingoBoingo, been doing em, already added 50kg to my squat since november (90kg then, 140kg yesterday)

08:44:43 *: BingoBoingo does not yet trust back enough to try deadlifts.

08:44:56 BingoBoingo: sweet cazalla

08:45:05 cazalla: not in the squat rack though, this sliding one where u stand in it like a space man

08:46:46 cazalla: like this, but more vertical and less black dudes http://i.imgur.com/6szKPkT.png

08:46:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4I40C )

08:47:05 BingoBoingo: Smith machine

08:47:10 BingoBoingo: Muh Triggerz

08:47:34 pete_dushenski: l0l!

08:47:50 cazalla: yeah sorta doesn't count eh, not hitting dem stabilisers, but using the machines to avoid injury, i always end up with some nagging injury from free weights

08:48:05 cazalla: still, butts to the floor, none of that half squat shit

08:49:16 cazalla: so, all this drama over hearnia, when i thought he said he left already?

08:50:18 kingking190: hmmmm

08:50:29 kingking190: nothing to say about this lol

08:51:16 cazalla: kingking190, hearnia or weight lifting?

08:51:45 kingking190: cazalla : nothing on that stuff

08:52:00 cazalla: both? oh ok

08:52:12 cazalla: maybe you should lift so your wife doesn't think you have low t or something

08:52:43 kingking190: LOL i pick up my wife just about every night and take her to bed.

08:53:05 cazalla: does she fall asleep in front of the tv?

08:53:50 kingking190: >_< no she plays video games untill she falls asleep :P

08:54:02 cazalla: a gamer girl? fuck, i hate them (no offense)

08:54:13 kingking190: LOL why is that ?

08:54:27 cazalla: well, you know the likes of kaceytron?

08:54:35 kingking190: who ?

08:54:50 *: pete_dushenski to bed. bon soir

08:55:36 cazalla: kingking190, she's a cam whore masquerading as a gamer girl, problem is, porn is easily accessible, so i don't really need to see all these cam whores on sites like twitch.tv

08:55:54 cazalla: great tits though

08:56:04 kingking190: lol i play games not watch people play them lol

08:56:14 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEhyGrK4fiE

08:56:15 assbot: Who is Kaceytron - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4J1pF )

08:56:35 kingking190: anyways why would i watch a gamer girl play when i have one to grab right here ?

08:57:06 cazalla: because i have a missus and i know that grows boring after the x month

08:57:17 cazalla: watching games is OK, depends on the game

08:57:43 punkman: Twitch really missed out on a solid revenue stream when they banned topless gurlz

08:57:50 kingking190: meh i love my wife so i can't get board

08:58:06 BingoBoingo: But does time love your wife?

08:58:25 cazalla: the whole girls play games thing though is really just women playing games aka advertising apps on their iphone

08:58:29 kingking190: BingoBoingo, yes :P

08:58:51 BingoBoingo: kingking190: 3 decades from nao?

09:00:22 kingking190: BigBitz, she will look lovely to me

09:00:36 cazalla: kingking190, yellow fever huh?

09:01:39 kingking190: cazalla, hey she the love of my life.

09:01:55 cazalla: kingking190, you must have rocks in your head to be using btcjam (where i saw the avatar of you and the wife)

09:02:07 cazalla: well, that's a nice thing

09:02:14 BingoBoingo: lol still using btcjam?

09:02:30 cazalla: https://btcjam.com/users/39517

09:02:32 assbot: kingking190 - BTCJam ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4JuIx )

09:02:54 kingking190: i have no loan out

09:02:57 kingking190: one*

09:02:59 BingoBoingo: There are seriously some lessons much better learned 3 or 4 years ago

09:03:44 kingking190: looking my user name up ?

09:04:02 kingking190: you going to find everthing

09:04:27 kingking190: used that user name for anything since i was 10

09:04:27 cazalla: you married yao ming? https://scontent.fadl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-9/998763_621316914553436_1093532295_n.jpg?oh=1f7bf66c129e34576e83ac3354fa593f&oe=573FA991

09:04:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4JIzd )

09:04:30 kingking190: ^_^

09:04:43 kingking190: ^_^ yes

09:04:45 cazalla: soz, i am only playing :) god knows my missus does not look near as good as she did when we first mete

09:05:20 kingking190: she still looks the same as she did when i first met her ^_^

09:05:28 kingking190: well better

09:05:42 cazalla: bonus points to you then

09:06:08 kingking190: anyways why are you giving me so much shit about this anyways ?

09:06:44 cazalla: tbh, this is how much australians talk to each other in conversation

09:06:47 cazalla: most*

09:07:08 BingoBoingo: kingking190: Here you have to be sensitive to actual cultural diversity

09:07:44 BingoBoingo: !up cazalla

09:09:00 kingking190: ahh its fine just poking a bit fun back :(

09:09:06 kingking190: don't get too mad

09:09:13 cazalla: kingking190, ya not worried ya kids will end up supreme gentlemen?

09:09:40 kingking190: why would i be worried ?

09:10:12 cazalla: you know, the elliot rodger type when white meets yellow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3lBPMiZakY

09:10:13 assbot: Elliot Rodger Smokes Weed Everyday - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4Kn3A )

09:10:44 kingking190: LOL

09:10:53 kingking190: i am not worried

09:12:14 punkman: you must have rocks in your head to be using btcjam << lending money on btcjam is stupid, taking their money, eh, why not

09:12:41 *: BingoBoingo more worried about... giving BTCJam any information at all

09:12:45 BingoBoingo: !up op_null2_

09:13:10 cazalla: punkman, if he's borrowing, i'd bet he's lending too

09:13:24 cazalla: otherwise his account would've been shitcanned for scamming already

09:13:54 kingking190: i did for a bit but not anymore

09:15:18 op_null2_: Wonder when the community will learn that threatening hard forks crashes the price and leads nowhere ?

09:15:23 kingking190: i made good money on there.

09:16:22 kingking190: Theres a trick to getting loans out and make good money on them.

09:16:24 BingoBoingo: op_null2_: This one seems less liek a legit crash and more like a broomstick firing http://fraudsters.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/

09:16:25 assbot: So the broomstick fired. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik )

09:16:25 punkman: op_null2_: the "community" can't rub two bitcents together so what do they care about price

09:18:44 kingking190: but they don't let us do that anymore .

09:20:08 kingking190: you could pull out like 5 btc on a 5% loan for 30 days

09:20:37 punkman: kingking190: and what if the guy runs with your 100btc

09:21:19 kingking190: punkman, not talking about lending. talking about pulling a loan out >_<

09:21:38 cazalla: kingking190, i hear asian women make good wives, is that true?

09:21:58 cazalla: in that they are more subservient, treat you like a real man without actually having to be one

09:22:42 kingking190: cazalla, depens what you want? if you want a girl who treats you good yes but if you mess with them there not like USA girls where they walk out....

09:22:52 kingking190: they will do much worse

09:23:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10586 @ 0.00049839 = 5.276 BTC [+] {2}

09:24:01 kingking190: plus there not like USA girls where ( oh you lost all your money pour thing she leaves you.)

09:25:26 kingking190: hell we both slept on the floor for 6 months

09:25:43 kingking190: and ate romen noodles for 2 months

09:26:23 cazalla: birthdays was the worst days?

09:26:59 kingking190: what do you mean ?

09:28:24 punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/15/switzerland-joins-denmark-in-seizing-assets-from-refugees-to-cover-costs

09:28:24 assbot: Switzerland seizing assets from refugees to cover costs | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4LTmq )

09:28:33 cazalla: ya know, that you and ya missus went from negative to positive, and it's all good!

09:28:55 cazalla: what assets to refos have?

09:28:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10997 @ 0.00049922 = 5.4899 BTC [+] {3}

09:29:15 punkman: "If you have property worth more than 1,000 Swiss francs when you arrive at a reception centre you are required to give up these financial assets in return for a receipt." "refugees who win the right to stay and work in Switzerland also have to surrender 10% of their pay for up to 10 years until they repay 15,000 Swiss francs in costs."

09:29:27 cazalla: from that article it would seem the refos have more savings than the locals

09:29:37 punkman: cazalla: not all the refugees are dirt poor

09:30:16 cazalla: times like this i'm glad to be down under.. good fucking luck swimming that distance to get here

09:31:06 kingking190: i wish XMR would go up

09:31:30 kingking190: i sitting on about 1k

09:32:43 cazalla: what's that? moronero?

09:32:48 kingking190: yes

09:32:53 BingoBoingo: punkman: ty for link

09:33:30 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell fluffypony one of your fans is visiting

09:33:30 gribble: The operation succeeded.

09:34:16 kingking190: i am really hoping LTC jumps

09:34:26 punkman: 0.001 xmr/btc eh, I bought/sold some around 0.005, glad I didn't stick with it

09:35:10 kingking190: lol

09:35:23 kingking190: i made some really good money on XMR

09:35:42 kingking190: made about 5.7 btc alone on that one

09:35:46 cazalla: why are you relegated to hope then kingking190 ?

09:36:09 BingoBoingo: !up kingking190

09:36:28 BingoBoingo: !up op_null2

09:36:40 op_null2: Thanks.

09:36:41 kingking190: hmm what do you mean cazalla ?

09:36:51 op_null2: What ever happened to mircea_popescu 's bet that Ethereum wouldn't launch?

09:36:57 op_null2: or would be vaporware

09:37:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00049301 = 3.1553 BTC [-] {3}

09:37:09 op_null2: did he pay out?

09:37:21 cazalla: op_null2, none of you cunts put your money where your mouth is, at least until after the fact like now

09:37:37 op_null2: so nobody took him up on the bet?

09:37:38 cazalla: kingking190, hoping litecoin goes up doesn't seem like a sound strategy that's all i'm saying

09:37:42 BingoBoingo: op_null2: One person took it and never returned with a private key to claim it

09:38:06 punkman: there were some bitbet bets too

09:38:13 BingoBoingo: op_null2: Multiple morals from that story

09:38:13 op_null2: interesting. I thought it was a joke. seemed like he was giving himself bad odds

09:38:23 cazalla: why didn't you bet then op_null2 ?

09:38:46 op_null2: lack of trust, i suppose. "if its too good to be true..."

09:39:42 kingking190: cazalla, i have done the math and everything. but i just hope i am not wrong by some dumb luck

09:39:47 op_null2: He should port bitbet.us to Ethereum -- Groupgnosis and Augur will proabbly be more popular when launched

09:40:38 cazalla: no-one is gonna use that op_null2

09:40:39 kingking190: cazalla, plus the market could turn bad really fast one big market goes offline than Bang market drops ( well i will buy more but) still like shit!

09:41:02 op_null2: He could have done the same thing with MPEX -- could have been a huge altcoin trading site and made 1000's BTC in fees. he was an early mover.... I guess he alrady had too much BTC and didnt care about making more lol

09:41:07 cazalla: kingking190, i tried that trading game in early 2013, didn't work out for me, much better approach has been to buy and just hold bitcoin

09:41:34 cazalla: all these things mircea_popescu could've done, how about what you could've done op_null2 ? nothing at all eh?

09:41:47 kingking190: ok well wifey says it bed time!

09:41:49 kingking190: ^_^

09:41:56 kingking190: you know what thet means YAY!!!!!!

09:42:02 op_null2: cazalla: $9 million in Augur from thousands of users. They'll use it.

09:42:29 op_null2: cazalla: I do lots of things. Like consulting for people when they're making bad decisions

09:42:36 cazalla: didn't augur scam the early investers anyway? changed it from investor to donations or something later on

09:42:40 cazalla: kingking190, have fun

09:42:56 op_null2: cazalla: no, its all accounted for

09:43:14 cazalla: yeah, i bet it is

09:44:58 deedbot-: [Qntra] Fiat Market Slide, fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Follow In Friday Trading - http://qntra.net/2016/01/fiat-market-slide-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-follow-in-friday-trading/

09:45:26 punkman: "The crowd is smart. Use its expertise to beat the experts with... Stunningly Accurate Predictions" topkek

09:45:40 punkman: (augur's tagline)

09:45:57 fluffypony: lol BingoBoingo

09:47:37 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How is Africa in Bitcoin doing?

09:48:12 BingoBoingo: Or is it Bitdong in Africacoin

09:48:30 fluffypony: we only trade in cattle here

09:48:31 fluffypony: BitCattle

09:49:22 BingoBoingo: ic

09:49:52 BingoBoingo: Any urgent corrections I should make to latest qntra post before trying to sleep?

09:50:59 punkman: "Augur hedged a significant portion of its holdings (13,500 BTC).  Via itBit, Augur sold at an average of US$227 per BTC with $10/coin borrowing cost, netting the Project $217 per BTC." geniuses

09:53:04 op_null2: better than holding it and it drops in half -- like ethereum did

09:53:12 op_null2: converting 50% to fiat is smart

09:55:09 cazalla: i guess it's smart when it's not your own money

09:55:42 punkman: they could have paid themselves in btc, wanted dollars instead

09:57:13 cazalla: sounds like pokeman cards to me, augur investors handed over their money for some ultra rare pokemans

09:57:37 cazalla: augur 2.0 must be in the works i'd imagine

10:00:18 punkman: https://sale.augur.net/ hah, their money went to multisig adress controlled by their foundation, BitGo and Buterin

10:00:19 assbot: Augur - Fund the Future ... ( http://bit.ly/1VjwC75 )

10:04:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6002 @ 0.00049845 = 2.9917 BTC [+] {2}

10:07:31 punkman: "sold all but 1,000 BTC and 100,000 ETH via over the counter (OTC) trades" "opened up a brokerage account to secure a portion of our funds in relatively secure, short term US Treasury bonds, to earn some return above bank rate interest"

10:09:34 punkman: "Augur has also contributed $20,000 to an R&D project to transition the Ethereum network from a proof of work (POW) to a proof of stake (POS) system so it can operate at higher speeds, handle more transactions and thereby become more competitive"

10:09:50 punkman: yeah 2nd crowdsale can't be far off

10:11:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36972 @ 0.00050692 = 18.7418 BTC [+] {4}

10:12:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12478 @ 0.00050772 = 6.3353 BTC [+]

10:25:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00050772 = 3.554 BTC [+]

11:06:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15329 @ 0.00050591 = 7.7551 BTC [-] {2}

11:12:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16706 @ 0.0005059 = 8.4516 BTC [-]

11:19:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15933 @ 0.00049295 = 7.8542 BTC [-] {2}

11:20:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00049199 = 6.4451 BTC [-] {4}

11:24:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12916 @ 0.00050674 = 6.5451 BTC [+] {2}

11:29:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.0005102 = 6.1734 BTC [+] {2}

11:30:16 cazalla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu sorry to read about chetty :\

11:30:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:30:18 cazalla: night all

11:42:34 copypaste: POS is the perfect name for what it is. Piece of shit.

11:43:00 copypaste: It doesn't get more honest than that.

11:53:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00050789 = 3.1235 BTC [-]

12:31:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00049311 = 3.649 BTC [-]

12:49:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00050311 = 2.6413 BTC [+]

12:58:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.0005095 = 7.184 BTC [+] {2}

12:59:14 PeterL: goodmorning

13:11:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00051023 = 2.5256 BTC [+]

13:32:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10295 @ 0.0005102 = 5.2525 BTC [-] {2}

13:42:14 thestringpuller: good morning

13:42:42 thestringpuller: someone just compared Hearnia to Batman/Bruce Wayne. As a batman true believer, I was hihgly insulted.

13:49:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12158 @ 0.00050211 = 6.1047 BTC [-] {4}

13:51:00 PeterL: I don't get it, how could anybody compare them?

13:53:20 thestringpuller: lemme find link

13:53:45 thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/416llc/mike_hearn_is_batman_xpost_rbitcoin_rbitcoinxt/ << trigger warning

13:55:03 shinohai: No other Bitcoin subreddit makes my head hurt more than r/btc lately

13:55:43 PeterL: Hearnia is an idiot, and whoever this apologist is, they are an even bigger idiot

13:56:39 PeterL: I have never seen anything worthwhile on reddit, seems like a place for idiots to gather and waste time/energy

13:57:16 shinohai: I don't even have account anymore, I just have it in my .rss feed

14:01:47 mircea_popescu: shinohai i looked through that thing yest, went "hmm, reddit went very weird ?" then realised that it's not r/bitcoin, nor r/buttcoin nor r/bitcoinxt but YET ANOTHER subreddit.

14:02:11 mircea_popescu: apparently the crazies can't really thrive together, need to splinter into smaller cjs.

14:02:25 shinohai: I forgot to check if anyone reserved r/bitcoinclassic yet

14:02:29 mircea_popescu: lol

14:03:05 shinohai: yup, set to private. Gotta keep it locked while we make moar vaporware.

14:03:10 mircea_popescu: it's gonna run out of names, end up like the neoprotestant "churches" in the us. "the true universal international church" and blabla.

14:03:31 mircea_popescu: very american this process, "we forked xtianity" "oh yeah ? what did you add ?" "the name!" "do you know the faith ?" "wut ?"

14:04:16 shinohai: ^ Exactly like that

14:04:58 mircea_popescu: there's at least nine thousand "denim-inations" the sum total of whose intellectual production adds up to half a tract of an obscure irish preacher from 1840.

14:05:24 thestringpuller: drunk on whiskey in church and all!

14:05:36 mircea_popescu: (the irish weren't exactly regarded as clever or scholarly in english at the time ; the english in turn didn't make much court at rome)

14:05:46 PeterL: how about we just study the Gospel of Thomas and be nice to people?

14:06:59 mircea_popescu: but what are you gonna call it!

14:07:15 PeterL: why do we need to call it anything?

14:07:43 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: well the toomims are calling your bluff, but Gavin in his recent article realizes the uphill struggle and just knows that "hey it's probably not going to work out but worth a shot", sometimes I wonder about that d00d. Eats glue but rather conscious of the actual situation.

14:08:14 thestringpuller: "calling your bluff" as if it could be called that tho.

14:08:24 thestringpuller: (for lack of better phrasing atm)

14:08:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5278 @ 0.00050049 = 2.6416 BTC [-] {2}

14:08:41 mircea_popescu: well the difference between the two is that one has an extra peritoneal hole

14:09:32 mircea_popescu: PeterL ianaeasnps, but i think technically the name'd be wesleyanism

14:12:28 PeterL: "ianaeasnps" - i am not an expert at such namining protestant sects?

14:12:40 mircea_popescu: not an expert in anglo saxon neo protestant sects

14:12:51 PeterL: aha, I was close

14:13:09 mircea_popescu: it's a category in patristics, sorta like you know, the weird corner of the library. the TRULY weird corner.

14:13:56 mircea_popescu: most people resolve the problem by declaring that there's no paters past ~500ish ad and that's that.

14:14:53 PeterL: I guess you could also say that nobodies don't get to name themselves

14:15:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2842 @ 0.0005005 = 1.4224 BTC [+]

14:16:09 mircea_popescu: it's complicated. for the true believer (not everyone who reads the books gives a shit, you realise, though many do) faith is a major factor, as measured in two things : uniques (on the theory that hey, god wouldn't allow the flock to scatter) and miracles (on the theory that nature is a whore, and whoever she picks is king).

14:16:28 mircea_popescu: but these are particularly confounded since the introduction of the printing press and the legal profession.

14:20:05 thestringpuller: OMG. "The network is broken because it takes longer for payments to get confirmed. Who would wait 60 minutes or 14 hours for a payment?!?" Holy fuck-wits, people eat this shit up? Why are these people so stupid? :(

14:20:11 mircea_popescu: (the idea that "everyone plays monopoly - lawyers are the people who read the inside of the cover of the box" is very much modern. take for instance Maurice Evans' well written response to temptation : http://fraudsters.com/2014/understanding-argentinas-coming-default-for-real-this-time/#selection-131.1-135.146 )

14:20:12 assbot: Understanding Argentina’s Coming Default, For Real This Time on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SodZML )

14:25:20 mircea_popescu: omfg this log!

14:27:07 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371963 << looks good to me ?

14:27:07 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 04:46:01; mod6: http://dpaste.com/3EXKA4D.txt

14:29:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371972 << ah so it was tried already, didn't catch on. alrighty then!

14:29:16 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 05:52:12; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371076 << i just remembered that 'international' made pretty much exactly this house-towing, sidewalk-shredding, lamppost-buckling "pick-up" from 2004 - 2008. called the 'cxt' and priced right at $100k. though it weighed 7 tonnes (15k lbs), it had a 7.6l diesel engine with 220hp and 540 lb. ft. of torque and was capable of hauling or towing up to 6 tonn

14:31:01 mircea_popescu: dude what a badass looking truck. how the fuck could the ammo churning, tailgate partying, truck racing subculture not buy this through the roof is well beyond me. but then again... i'll take the newton defense.

14:33:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371985 << the other consideration is that europe is chock full of bad copies of the classical masters. and they all suck, except the few that don't. such as for instance rubens, who learned to paint by doing a poor job of copying at first. or michelangelo, or anyone else. because yes, everyone that ever was a master painter learned his craft by trying humbly to copy and f

14:33:59 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 05:57:11; copypaste: pete_dushenski: i've changed my opinion about you because you drive a very nice car. keep up the good work

14:33:59 mircea_popescu: ailing miserably at producing art through this process.

14:34:15 mircea_popescu: compared to this, the ineffectual, ineffective and brief anglo tradition of "originality" is both forced and sad.

14:37:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372018 << wasn't that "topace" or something ?

14:37:41 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 06:18:23; pete_dushenski: for the n00bs, The20YearIRCloud was (is?) the operator of https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT

14:37:53 mircea_popescu: o nm.

14:39:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372043 << yeah, yeah, funny-haha. or in chinese, "我們將埋葬你們!"

14:39:48 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 06:50:35; BingoBoingo: kingking190: Chicom funny money

14:47:57 mircea_popescu: "OMG I just died laughing at this profile, stupidly hilarious! I'm so dead I'm writing this from the grave motherfucker. It's like Family Guy meets Frasier, BRAVO!"

14:48:41 mircea_popescu: which were these, the derp who was supposedly married to patricia heaton and who's the other one ?

14:49:35 thestringpuller: you've never seen family guy?

14:49:53 mircea_popescu: i think so

14:50:00 mircea_popescu: can't remember anything past the chick tho

14:50:38 thestringpuller: it's just a rehash of the simpsons at this point just with more juvenile humor.

14:51:15 mircea_popescu: uh

14:51:28 mircea_popescu: wait, this is a cartoon ?

14:51:50 mircea_popescu: oh fuck i was thinking of "everyone loves raymond"

14:52:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37143 @ 0.0005005 = 18.5901 BTC [+]

14:55:12 thestringpuller: you've seen fraiser though (i assume)

14:56:24 mircea_popescu: nope

14:56:40 mircea_popescu: premiering on September 16, 1993 << heh, too late.

14:56:51 mircea_popescu: The series was created as a spin-off of Cheers << ahahahaha omfg.

14:56:56 mircea_popescu: cheers had A SPINOFF ?!

14:57:18 thestringpuller: yea. lol "cheers but for smart people" is how i remember it being marketed

14:57:40 thestringpuller: instead of a bar we hang out in coffee shops!

15:00:38 mircea_popescu: well... the few sitcoms i knew came out in a brief one-two year interval around 1990.

15:00:48 mircea_popescu: 1987-1989, something like that.

15:04:32 mircea_popescu: "Secret Service Agent Shaun Bridges on an unrelated matter, but I think we all know what happened with him" yeah, it... happened. it happened ~with~.

15:04:41 mircea_popescu: herp phenomenology i swear.

15:06:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372146 << i guess it must be. or else it could be the ballas-diagnosed "challenge you to like me" sorta psychotic behaviour.

15:06:34 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 07:49:28; pete_dushenski: it's an over-estimation of "internal" beauty.

15:06:39 mircea_popescu: where was that article...

15:09:20 mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/hm7JE#selection-473.0-483.98

15:09:21 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Don't Settle For The Man You Want ... ( http://bit.ly/1SUhDNQ )

15:10:39 mircea_popescu: i always thought that for someone who barely fucked, he had an extremely keen understanding of female fringe psychology.

15:13:08 thestringpuller: how does fucking correlate to knowledge of female psychology if you don't mind?

15:15:02 mircea_popescu: through the institution of talking.

15:15:15 thestringpuller: can't you do that by just cuddling?

15:15:19 mircea_popescu: recall that thread about how language is the explanation of the extremely slutty behaviour of humans as opposed to all other mammals ?

15:15:51 mircea_popescu: well, you, in the sense of you know, single case, can, sure. but statistically speaking, correlations appear.

15:16:51 thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/2SB3SQA.txt

15:16:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:17:23 thestringpuller: having trouble finding thread on slutty behavior

15:26:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6839 @ 0.0005102 = 3.4893 BTC [+] {2}

15:27:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13761 @ 0.00051022 = 7.0211 BTC [+] {2}

15:39:49 mircea_popescu: lemme see here

15:40:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246517

15:40:40 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 01:13:38; trinque: must've been some serious run-away dick selection in human history

15:49:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372220 << lmao guy makes one innocent comment, never lives to hear the end of it.

15:49:09 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:17:23; BingoBoingo: I thought the whole sedition thing scared you off, or did the Bundy success inflate your balls at least a little bit more?

15:55:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372269 << well that was fun.

15:55:33 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:34:19; frogman_: id like to buy on bitcoin otc

15:56:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372272 << is that so ?

15:56:11 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:35:07; pete_dushenski: the kinda girl you marry and the kinda girl that does this https://45.media.tumblr.com/a5c6fa2e5d71aba12c394bd025276e7c/tumblr_nwow33geQK1uj17vto1_400.gif are hiiiiighly unlikely to be one and the same

15:56:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.0005066 = 5.2686 BTC [-] {3}

15:56:48 thestringpuller: thanks for the thread link MP makes a lot of sense.

15:58:57 mircea_popescu: he probably did a lot of talk therapy with nutty adolescent chicks or something.

16:00:33 thestringpuller: so been reading about mises and rothbard and anarcho-capitalism. i think the "majority revolting" isn't revolting about an issue, but subconsciously rejecting the anarcho-capitalist nature of bitcoin.

16:01:09 thestringpuller: people being told "they aren't equal" seems to strike a chord that brings up crazy emotion.

16:01:48 thestringpuller: so you get people saying "blah blah conflict of interest" when in actuality I don't think conflict of interest can actually exist in bitcoin since it's all private sovereign entities voluntarily participating.

16:02:42 mircea_popescu: eh, generally "the majority" just wants nothing to exist.

16:02:45 mircea_popescu: easier that way.

16:04:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372292 << i can lift any of the girls, and am happy with that. lbs, who needs 'em!

16:04:05 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:44:15; *: pete_dushenski tried deadlifting for the first time this month. did 1.4x body weight.

16:04:49 mircea_popescu: ;;nethash

16:04:50 gribble: 754524848.626

16:07:51 mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/ << dis bet....

16:07:51 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash :: 105.5 B (96%) on Yes, 3.93 B (4%) on No | closing in 8 months 3 weeks | weight: 85`002 (100`000 to 20`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8UoUs )

16:08:10 mircea_popescu: if it doesn't climb 1/3 in 9 months some people will make incredible bank

16:10:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372320 << you know the progression of great tits in gamer teams ?

16:10:10 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:55:54; cazalla: great tits though

16:10:27 mircea_popescu: (starts off as cleric, healing everyone, progresses to girl under the table, sucking off everyone)

16:11:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33105 @ 0.00051023 = 16.8912 BTC [+]

16:12:13 copypaste: mircea_popescu: all that has to happen is a fire in chinese mining farm ;)

16:12:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9251 @ 0.00049786 = 4.6057 BTC [-] {3}

16:14:02 mircea_popescu: well, maybe not that. but the problem is purely economic : a quarter exahash is expensive as all fuck

16:14:40 mircea_popescu: and, contrary to the sugarcoated version of reality "devs" like to present, it doesn't buy the owner all that much.

16:14:46 mircea_popescu: in fact it buys them pretty much squat.

16:15:34 mircea_popescu: course, it's impolitic to say this publicly, because hey, "we", ie the ploughing flies, absolutely LOVE to prop themselves on others' work, and so every derp pouring code into a black hole he calls github feels his own personal fortune increased for some reason every time a miner puts a rig online.

16:18:19 mircea_popescu: in fact, we are at a crossroads - miner manufacturers have figured out at some point last year that cartelization is actually more productive in fiat terms for them than supplying the open market. by now they have the unmitigated cheek to publicly attempt to influence politics. imagine the outrage back in the day if BFL had dared to say what bitfury dares today.

16:19:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372327 << pretty dumb idea yeah.

16:19:30 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:57:43; punkman: Twitch really missed out on a solid revenue stream when they banned topless gurlz

16:21:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36710 @ 0.00049644 = 18.2243 BTC [-]

16:22:03 copypaste: twitch isn't in the business of making money

16:22:10 copypaste: that's why

16:22:56 mircea_popescu: even so. the notion that girls should be dressed online is at best bizarre.

16:23:03 mircea_popescu: what, it snows in your internet ?

16:23:10 copypaste: indeed

16:24:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372374 << "the community" of bitcoin-hating derps on social media ?

16:24:26 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:15:18; op_null2_: Wonder when the community will learn that threatening hard forks crashes the price and leads nowhere ?

16:26:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372394 <<< ahahaha swiss bankers and their fetish for other people's teeth.

16:26:15 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:28:24; punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/15/switzerland-joins-denmark-in-seizing-assets-from-refugees-to-cover-costs

16:26:46 adlai: when will freedom-hating derps learn that crashing properly leads to "sell, crash, ???, profit"?

16:27:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372399 <<< bwahaha this is epic shit.

16:27:03 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:29:15; punkman: "If you have property worth more than 1,000 Swiss francs when you arrive at a reception centre you are required to give up these financial assets in return for a receipt." "refugees who win the right to stay and work in Switzerland also have to surrender 10% of their pay for up to 10 years until they repay 15,000 Swiss francs in costs."

16:27:12 mircea_popescu: the swiss pimpvernment!!

16:28:16 mircea_popescu: so if i get a busload of nude ukrainian chicks in shitzerland and keep them chained to a basement wall "until they repay" bla bla, i'm basically being a confederate, just like all the rest of 'em. right ?

16:30:24 copypaste: so long as you have a permit

16:30:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372432 << https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/

16:30:31 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:38:46; op_null2: lack of trust, i suppose. "if its too good to be true..."

16:30:32 assbot: BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.96 B (34%) on Yes, 142.49 B (66%) on No | closed 1 month 2 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )

16:31:40 mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/530/btc-network-hashrate-will-exceed-2500-th-s-before/ << remember two years ago ? :D

16:31:40 assbot: BitBet - BTC network hashrate will exceed 2500 TH/s before February :: 0.31 B (82%) on Yes, 0.07 B (18%) on No | closed 2 years 3 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8Y5JQ )

16:32:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372434 <<< yeah, right. how about you port your sexing to birds and goats.

16:32:45 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:39:47; op_null2: He should port bitbet.us to Ethereum -- Groupgnosis and Augur will proabbly be more popular when launched

16:33:30 copypaste: Jesus will be very popular when he comes back too

16:33:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372437 << dude go back to cryptsy/glbse/whatever the fuck.

16:33:35 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:41:02; op_null2: He could have done the same thing with MPEX -- could have been a huge altcoin trading site and made 1000's BTC in fees. he was an early mover.... I guess he alrady had too much BTC and didnt care about making more lol

16:33:53 mircea_popescu: fucking derps already. "ima advise my father on how to fuck because totally, my pimples are my shiedl"

16:34:18 mircea_popescu: "not like it's my job to conform my stupid head to the deeds of the greater men i perceive. i shall advise them instead!"

16:34:22 mircea_popescu: is this shithead even in the wot ?

16:34:52 thestringpuller: !gettrust !op_null2

16:34:52 assbot: !op_null2 is not registered in WoT.

16:34:53 mircea_popescu: !rate op_null2 -1 go and inherit your father's kingdom already, there's no further reason to stick around down here.

16:34:53 assbot: op_null2 is not registered in WoT.

16:34:57 mircea_popescu: mkay.

16:35:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372444 lord have mercy.

16:35:33 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 09:42:29; op_null2: cazalla: I do lots of things. Like consulting for people when they're making bad decisions

16:36:05 thestringpuller: Everyone wants to be Marcus Lemonis without the portfolio to back it.

16:37:08 thestringpuller: that's actually a good idea for television. when btc businesses start failing and coming to MP for help, film it, and profit.

16:38:15 copypaste: hard to film an IRC log in a manner that would be entertaining to the average TV watcher

16:38:34 copypaste: perhaps it would work with many dramatizations

16:38:38 thestringpuller: you can dramatize it somehow.

16:40:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00049472 = 4.9967 BTC [-] {5}

16:48:53 thestringpuller: mod6: does bitcoin node stop when internet connection goes out?

16:49:11 thestringpuller: i pulled the plug on router and the node just stopped.

16:49:57 copypaste: depends what you mean by `stopped'

16:50:03 copypaste: did it exit?

16:53:19 thestringpuller: yea it exited when the connect failed

16:53:30 thestringpuller: was expecting it to reconnect.

16:53:34 mircea_popescu: op_null2_ (5f8fc663@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.143.198.99) aka http://www.evilbs.com/otc/?*~nulll123@*&*@static.7.11.9.176.clients.your-server.de* aka Dave Leimbrock

16:53:39 mircea_popescu: fu, derp.

16:54:00 mircea_popescu: go advise whoever the shit's too thick to read the logs, whydontcha.

16:54:17 copypaste: thestringpuller: yeah that does seem odd to me, likely a bug. if it was running as a daemon, it shouldn't exit due to an unstable network, at least one would assume

16:54:37 copypaste: i can't recall if i've ever experienced that with the node i run, but i don't think i have as i run it on a quite unstable network

16:54:50 thestringpuller: i was running it with & (backgrond mode)

16:55:28 copypaste: i use http://thebitcoin.foundation/test-builds/v0.5.4/amd64/bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST2.tar.gz btw.

16:55:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWHUHv )

16:55:52 thestringpuller: yea me too 99997k

16:56:14 thestringpuller: Just wanna get the thing synched and run the version patch and banhammer

16:57:27 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371272 practice has shown the porsche cayenne (ie. not even a pickup truck) has no problem to tear off and haul away an ATM.

16:57:27 assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 16:19:27; mircea_popescu: so 300k car. what happens if i attach that 300k car to a street pole and go ful lthrothle in the ist ?

16:58:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3470 @ 0.00051022 = 1.7705 BTC [+] {2}

16:58:43 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust s3gfault

16:58:44 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user s3gfault: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=s3gfault | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=s3gfault | Rated since: never

16:59:09 mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu

16:59:10 gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452

16:59:58 mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5ff2755a151d288a9c52727e4d0ce3f0a0646d8d7a23f484fb359c07

16:59:58 gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452

17:00:05 mircea_popescu: ;;rate s3gfault -1 go and inherit your father's kingdom already, there's no further reason to stick around down here.

17:00:05 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

17:00:32 mircea_popescu: mmm.

17:01:44 copypaste: What do we all think of https://i.imgur.com/dkbrjPx.gif ?

17:01:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1n93NeF )

17:02:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372481 << thanks.

17:02:16 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 11:30:16; cazalla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu sorry to read about chetty :\

17:02:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8142 @ 0.00051023 = 4.1543 BTC [+]

17:03:00 mircea_popescu: copypaste we think that voting is a proved-to-work mechanism, in bitcoin.

17:03:34 mircea_popescu: for anyone that doesn't wish to remember that the march fork was healed over mp saying noncontroversial and wishes to see what happens once mp doesn't say that... proceeding on a "vote" is the smartest move possible.

17:03:40 mircea_popescu: after all the point of life on earth is to find out things.

17:04:07 copypaste: :)

17:07:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15471 @ 0.0005046 = 7.8067 BTC [-] {2}

17:08:03 mircea_popescu: the very notion, you know, "we support a code bundle that's not written yet".

17:08:10 mircea_popescu: im sure if you ask these fuckwits they "support" windows.

17:08:14 mircea_popescu: what the fuck does that even mean ?

17:08:50 copypaste: well, now that you put it that way, next to nothing.

17:09:05 mircea_popescu: but hey, for a generation of worthless retards that's in love with a woman they've never met and will live or die depending on whether santa/thegovernment/isis paradrops them food & other supplies as needed... it makes perfect sense.

17:09:30 mircea_popescu: i'm in favour of the imperial house of jormania. hurr durr.

17:09:44 copypaste: i support la serenissima

17:10:26 mircea_popescu: (Ioan Petru Culianu reference, for the curious)

17:10:54 kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/ThePracticalDev/status/687672086152753152

17:11:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00050474 = 6.8645 BTC [+] {3}

17:16:12 mircea_popescu: 20 is a middling amount of test number.

17:17:12 mircea_popescu: "For all the ways the manufactured crisis around the ClassicCoin hard fork push is made to seem more polished than the XTCoin manufactured crisis, the results of the effort somehow seem still more underwhelming." << word. ten times the effort, a tenth of the result.

17:17:27 mircea_popescu: apparently mining difficulty is not the only thing that went up over the years. submination difficulty also follows.

17:19:45 mats: http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/44107008572/what-happened-with-my-security-bsides-talk lol

17:19:46 assbot: What happened with my Security BSides talk | VIOLET BLUE ... ( http://bit.ly/1n95AAe )

17:20:00 mircea_popescu: but i gotta say that's a splendeed piece BingoBoingo

17:20:17 mats: tl;dr presenter with nothing to do re: security, presents at BSides

17:20:49 mircea_popescu: show to be rebranded as "OhMySides", to move on F! tv ?

17:21:19 mats: “Well, there’s been a complaint about your talk.” He continued, “It’s from someone who is a rape survivor and they said they will be triggered by your talk if there’s any rape in it.”

17:21:59 mats: so 'triggered' is a thing now

17:22:47 mircea_popescu: you know, this may actually make a pretty decent show.

17:23:07 mircea_popescu: tie a buncha "rape survivors" etc in a chair and trigger the shit out of them.

17:23:20 mircea_popescu: sort-of like those rollercoaster ride pictures

17:23:39 mircea_popescu: trigger-porn.tumblr.com

17:24:13 mircea_popescu: seems a legitimate enough fetish. "honey... i can only get it up to the sweet music of bitchez gettin' triggered"

17:25:29 mats: if you produce i'll watch it

17:25:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00050402 = 4.7882 BTC [-] {2}

17:27:13 mircea_popescu: maybe if twitch produces it. the name seems well fit.

17:27:44 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372664 lol sexy saffron to rescue!

17:27:44 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 16:38:38; thestringpuller: you can dramatize it somehow.

17:27:44 mircea_popescu: "It had been decided months ago that I would give a talk at Security BSides San Francisco. The subject of my talk was up in the air until just before the conference started"

17:27:50 mircea_popescu: see ? same principle.

17:28:44 mircea_popescu: how the fuck this isn't the end of that whole bsides thing is anyone's guess. it's certainly their plain and open intellectual surrender.

17:29:06 mircea_popescu: "and the organizers were okay with that, but to not inconvenience or surprise the organizers, I decided to present the same talk I had given at Security BSides Las Vegas in 2012."

17:29:10 mircea_popescu: fancy that logic.

17:30:31 mircea_popescu: "Each BSides is a community-driven framework for building events for and by information security community members."

17:30:34 mircea_popescu: no, it ain't.

17:42:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00051047 = 4.7474 BTC [+] {4}

18:00:27 mod6: <+thestringpuller> yea it exited when the connect failed << would someone like to test this & log their results so we can put this one to bed? basically should be able to start up bitcoind, run a `ps ax`, `netstat -an` and an `ifconfig`, then a `./bitcoind stop`, then the `ps ax`, `netstat -an` and `ifconfig` again to see whats happening - perhaps even a tail of the last 100 lines of the debug log...

18:01:41 mod6: so, start up bitcoin, to disconnect your internet connection just do a `ifconfig down`, then see

18:01:55 mod6: to bring the interface back up `ifconfig up`

18:06:31 phf: apropos, which version is display on lxr? i noticed that it still has GetMyExternalIP logic, with dyndns etc.

18:09:09 ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0030 << phf, you can specify patches for lxr thusly

18:09:12 assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1kYPR4M )

18:09:33 phf: aah, thanks

18:10:02 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: for the gentoo novice, what are the major de-poetteringizing flags to be aware of and set?

18:13:11 ben_vulpes: !up noobsRus

18:13:28 ben_vulpes: "because the city decided that on-street auto parking directly in front of the stores was more important than all-ages bike access to the future of those districts." << heh, andersen with the subtle shiv

18:15:17 noobsRus: hi all, been following along in b-a logs for a few months now. first would like to say thanks to all for bringing some clarity to the bigblocksforking nonsense that started last year

18:15:39 ben_vulpes: welcome noobsRus, no thanks necessary

18:16:04 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371963 << looks good to me ? << hey, thanks for taking a look!

18:16:04 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 04:46:01; mod6: http://dpaste.com/3EXKA4D.txt

18:16:20 mircea_popescu: !up noobsRus

18:16:22 ben_vulpes: regardless of what the merchants want, tight on-street parking is both the prime indicator that and a core driver for a neighborhood being worth going to and living in. merchant complaints entirely aside (what do they know, they've forgotten the import of "foot traffic" and "location location location"), sacrificing car parking for bike access is the utter best way to get more people trafficing past your dumb shop.

18:16:59 noobsRus: i appreciate the work you do maintaining a narrative grounded in reality. with the latest hearn stunt i felt i should perhaps explore ways i might assist

18:17:10 ben_vulpes: who are you though

18:17:17 ben_vulpes: !gettrust noobsRus

18:17:17 assbot: noobsRus is not registered in WoT.

18:17:36 ben_vulpes: lotta new faces this past week.

18:17:45 mod6: <+punkman> for mod6 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5713/files << the one that i've been looking at is this one: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.9.3/src/key.cpp#L202-L227

18:17:47 assbot: Implement BIP66 by sipa · Pull Request #5713 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UWwJRu )

18:17:49 assbot: bitcoin/key.cpp at v0.9.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxUUSi )

18:18:28 mod6: i basically dropped that code into the Sign() { } function in key.h and am just looking at that atm...

18:19:31 phf: ben_vulpes: portland seems to have pretty low car concentration (compared dc area or even philly), i'm surprised that this is anything but an abstract "bikes vs. cars" bickering

18:19:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3203 @ 0.00050402 = 1.6144 BTC [-] {2}

18:20:12 mircea_popescu: http://www.secureworks.com/cyber-threat-intelligence/threats/bgp-hijacking-for-cryptocurrency-profit/ << somewhat old but i dun recall it being in the log.

18:20:14 assbot: BGP Hijacking for Cryptocurrency Profit | Dell SecureWorks ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxV5No )

18:20:17 mod6: looks like BIP 66 diffs reflect a bunch of der sig checking

18:20:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3397 @ 0.00050255 = 1.7072 BTC [-] {2}

18:21:40 noobsRus: a nobody with meager holdings who understands (i think) the gravity of the situation. i would very much like for bitcoin to remain as is (decentralized, incorruptible) and the recently amplified USG-SV social engineering has been somewhat disconcerting

18:22:08 noobsRus: yes, i will look into the WoT too, once i figure out how to pgp correctly

18:22:13 noobsRus: or is it gpg

18:22:15 noobsRus: see, noob

18:22:35 mircea_popescu: oh i see.

18:23:25 noobsRus: anyways... i have one question at the moment that perhaps someone can answer

18:23:39 ben_vulpes: phf: it's not "low car concentration" it's high people concentration. the concentration of cars in an area is nigh-meaningless given that a car takes up > 8 m^2 of space for typically one user, and this imposes a hard upper bound on a) the number of cars in a space and b) the number of people you can cram into a space.

18:23:52 noobsRus: is there any value in maintaining a true narrative across reddit/twitter/hackernews/etc.?

18:23:53 copypaste: gpg is an implementation of pgp. they are not interchangeable.

18:24:10 ben_vulpes: noobsRus: nobody gices a fuck about r/t/hn

18:24:10 copypaste: those sites have no value, so there is no value in doing anything with them.

18:24:25 noobsRus: that's a relief then

18:25:21 mircea_popescu: noobsRus there's no unified value function. if you figure it's worth your time, by all means.

18:25:42 mircea_popescu: few people here do, but then again that's not necessarily dispositive.

18:25:55 jurov: community-driven framework for collecting quotes (aka bash) updated.

18:26:07 ben_vulpes: phf: there aren't really "car people" in town. the closest thing is the various merchant groups owners all live in the suburbs and operate a variant of the quiznos/arbys/starbucks franchise, and so want 'moar parking!', because that's all they understand.

18:26:09 mircea_popescu: did you approve any quotes still up in the air jurov ?

18:26:34 jurov: i did not see any quotes in the air

18:26:47 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well in fairness, you don't tend to take the lady to arby's for your aniversary, so their +ev move is to push you out of town.

18:27:13 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ofc

18:27:42 ben_vulpes: nevertheless this is my town, and more parking is not what i want.

18:28:05 mircea_popescu: damned hipsters and their gentrifying ways...

18:28:13 copypaste: quiznos? what a terrible franchise

18:28:18 copypaste: definitely the worst in murrika

18:28:29 noobsRus: thanks, fair enough. i've seen the efforts of brg44 and others in redditland and feel guilty being the indirect beneficiary of their work (via meager holdings) without contributing myself

18:28:43 ben_vulpes: parking is for megacorps who can afford to waste the space in that way. generally supermarkets which are dying anyways.

18:29:06 copypaste: "brg44" is not in my WoT.

18:29:09 ben_vulpes: but no, reseller of pink plastic chinese crap, you do not get more parking just for the asking.

18:29:15 noobsRus: it's clear that on those channels the battle is uphill, every week it seems like SV/USG/whoever rolled out another 50 sockpuppets to shill/brigade/confuse

18:29:32 ben_vulpes: noobsRus: NOBODY CARES

18:29:33 mircea_popescu: noobsRus once went to the dojo and asked the master "hey, i'm new, and i was considering practicing karate, because i've seen others doing it and i feel bad about not contributing to the welfare of this discipline".

18:29:48 copypaste: noobsRus: please shut up, no one cares about your internet wars on reddit or whatever

18:29:49 mircea_popescu: that's nice, but really

18:29:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00051072 = 5.1583 BTC [+] {2}

18:29:51 copypaste: nothing done there matters

18:31:18 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you realise that i've never in my adult life gone anywhere on a bike, nor would i ever go anywhere if i had to go by bike ?

18:31:49 ben_vulpes: this particular thread is old yes

18:32:22 ben_vulpes: your oddball habits don't really bear on cascadian city planning problems.

18:32:24 mircea_popescu: of course...i suppose if it comes to it i could just ride.

18:32:27 ben_vulpes: no dirigible parking anyways.

18:32:44 ben_vulpes: call a car, it's what i do

18:32:47 mircea_popescu: i would guess stables and all that takes just about as much space as parking does.

18:32:51 mircea_popescu: no i meant a horse.

18:32:52 ben_vulpes: i don't fucking /park/ them, that's for damn sure.

18:33:05 ben_vulpes: sure, nobody'd blink.

18:33:17 mircea_popescu: what if everyone in cascadia had to ride wherever they were going. you know, just like a century ago around there

18:33:24 noobsRus: copypaste ben_vulpes happy to hear that (that no one cares). was hoping to confirm this. will continue to enjoy the show then. won't waste anymore of your time now

18:33:29 ben_vulpes: it's going to end up that way, mircea_popescu.

18:33:35 mircea_popescu: possibru.

18:33:45 mircea_popescu: grass still grows, whether on top of oil or bare rock.

18:33:54 ben_vulpes: no more megabuxx for interstate

18:34:07 copypaste: noobsRus: required reading https://archive.is/http://fraudsters.com/2015/heres-who-doesnt-belong-in-bitcoin-you/

18:34:08 assbot: http://fraudsters.com/2015/heres-who-doesnt-belong-in-bitcoin-you/: Here's who doesn't belong in Bitcoin : you. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxVXSi )

18:34:08 mircea_popescu: sure. roads have throughout the history of states been the largest expense.

18:34:11 mircea_popescu: horse still needs roads.

18:34:26 mircea_popescu: copypaste dude whay the haet!

18:34:27 copypaste: oh, he left already. goodbye.

18:34:42 ben_vulpes: no more megabuxx for fixing all the damage cars do to the entirely serviceable tarmac designed originally for bikes

18:35:09 *: ben_vulpes would be entirely happy with horses and trams

18:35:19 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372530 << the Bible is all about God causing His people to scatter; Christ wondered aloud if any would still believe when He returns

18:35:19 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:16:09; mircea_popescu: it's complicated. for the true believer (not everyone who reads the books gives a shit, you realise, though many do) faith is a major factor, as measured in two things : uniques (on the theory that hey, god wouldn't allow the flock to scatter) and miracles (on the theory that nature is a whore, and whoever she picks is king).

18:35:26 ben_vulpes: heck, that's how the city was set up pre-interstate

18:35:30 mircea_popescu: aha.

18:35:38 copypaste: mircea_popescu: i started to understand things better when confronted with the truth rudely, not nicely in a sugar coated way

18:35:48 mircea_popescu: i guess there's that.

18:35:51 copypaste: some derp derping about how the opinions of reddit matter and how we should sway opinion this way or that

18:35:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12845 @ 0.00050255 = 6.4553 BTC [-] {2}

18:36:00 copypaste: is so far out of tune with reality, there's no way to -nicely- talk him into sense

18:36:10 ben_vulpes: after all the noise in the logs from last night i certainly have no more patience for it.

18:36:39 mircea_popescu: lol take it easier mah dear activists, there's need of educators also, as that femininemagic chick pointed out :D

18:36:51 ben_vulpes: just because i'm not complaining about the moronic voicings in real time doesn't mean i'm not getting annoyed reading the logs elsewhere.

18:37:09 mircea_popescu: earlier was pretty brutal lol.

18:37:28 ben_vulpes: ive nfi what bb and pete were thinking

18:37:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00050255 = 7.5383 BTC [-]

18:38:17 ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is it more difficult to malleate to low-s from high-s?

18:38:22 mircea_popescu: nope

18:38:34 adlai: copypaste: fwiw, last time somebody said reddit nonsense to me i just told them "sounds like you've been spending too much time on reddit." and it turned out dude had enough sense to agree

18:39:02 ben_vulpes: so then why are we engaged in this exercise at all? some future derp will just flip out over the bit being flipped in the opposite direction.

18:39:30 mircea_popescu: because we live in the world rather than in the crystalline tower of pure thought that by rights should have been our inheritance ?

18:39:39 *: adlai is not in favor of moronic voicings, villages have room for many idiots but courts need precious few jesters

18:39:39 mircea_popescu: somethinglikethat anyway

18:40:22 thestringpuller: adlai: i've been saying the same thing to redditors, and they usually flip their shit.

18:40:36 mircea_popescu: "What I?m doing with my life Currently working at Starbucks, but hopefully moving on to bigger and better things soon."

18:40:52 mircea_popescu: in case you were wondering what that is - probably reddit.

18:40:59 copypaste: OKCupid i figure

18:41:07 mircea_popescu: the "bigger and better" part i meant.

18:41:10 ben_vulpes: https://gcaptain.com/2016/01/14/u-s-navys-new-fast-transport-ships-cant-stand-buffeting-from-high-seas/ << heh

18:41:12 assbot: U.S. Navy’s New Fast Transport Ships Can’t Stand Buffeting From High Seas - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRcGDr )

18:41:28 mircea_popescu: won't the humiliations ever cease!

18:41:29 BingoBoingo: ... << yeah, yeah, funny-haha. or in chinese, "我們將埋葬你們!" << Just because it wins doesn't mean it can't still earn a chuckle.

18:41:31 thestringpuller: mod6: one second

18:41:59 adlai: thestringpuller: this was said outside of reddit, to somebody who mods a large sub; he already respected my opinion on matters btc, and i respect his on matters of his expertise, so it went over alright

18:42:50 thestringpuller: adlai: same. but most of these people are pure-socialists, "the everyone is equal" sorta deal.

18:43:41 adlai: all this talk of reddit made me check see whether it still existed... now i'm overrun with PM spam about some crappy method of hedging against btc failure

18:43:58 mircea_popescu: something to do with eth ?

18:44:01 thestringpuller: ethereum scammers herp derp

18:44:06 thestringpuller: hmm

18:44:12 copypaste: yes, i got that too adlai

18:44:42 copypaste: "bitcoin is doomed to fail due to block size. luckily vitalik buterin is totally cool and stuff so buy eth now" or something of that nature.

18:45:32 *: adlai notes that this alt does pass the "original codebase, distinct bugs from btc" qualification... but is not qualified to compare it to other hedges (ping fluffypony ?)

18:45:47 *: fluffypony has been pinged

18:45:51 mircea_popescu: lol

18:45:52 adlai: at least monero doesn't have the implementation plurality braindamage

18:46:06 fluffypony: adlai: I've also been receiving those Ethereum spam messages

18:46:14 fluffypony: frikkin annoying

18:46:33 jurov: !s monero fork

18:46:33 assbot: 4 results for 'monero fork' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monero+fork

18:46:49 jurov: not quite a implementation plurality

18:47:05 jurov: *an

18:47:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00051073 = 6.8438 BTC [+]

18:47:29 adlai: fluffypony: let's say btc fails and monero by some accident becomes The Blockchain. do you think the biannual hardfork policy would remain?

18:47:47 fluffypony: adlai: we'll probably move to annual later on, but yes

18:47:47 mircea_popescu: sure. the first year, two

18:47:51 copypaste: what happens if you just do nothing? you lost all your moneroj?

18:47:51 mircea_popescu: the next year, four.

18:47:52 mircea_popescu: and so on\

18:48:12 fluffypony: copypaste: how would that work

18:48:19 copypaste: i don't know, i'm asking you

18:48:31 fluffypony: that's physically impossible

18:48:36 fluffypony: or improbable

18:48:46 adlai: fluffypony: might want to discuss this amongst yourselves... being promoted to capital B status might be grounds for its cancellation

18:48:58 mircea_popescu: more properly put : what happens if someone actually takes monero seriously, and decides to disallow your future forks.

18:49:14 mircea_popescu: people keep loving this idea where they can "change" things. unless money follows you can't change jack.

18:49:22 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_shmoocon

18:49:24 *: adlai does think there's tangible value in a blockchain that's ready to be capitalized, even if Bitcoin never actually does fail

18:49:42 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: they're welcome to want whatever they'd like, and we're welcome to disregard their "feelings"

18:49:48 mircea_popescu: quite.

18:49:57 adlai: "hard fork whenever we feel like it, forever" = unready for capital-B-ization

18:50:00 mircea_popescu: and so if somehow monero became the one, it would simply be the one.

18:50:02 mats: i had a chance to scoop a shmoocon ticket

18:50:03 mircea_popescu: because there can only be one.

18:50:06 phf: ascii_shmoocon: oh god damn, i missed it again.

18:50:14 *: fluffypony tries to find the Highlander theme song

18:50:19 mircea_popescu: dun dun dun.

18:50:45 ascii_shmoocon: lulzy cryptocrackpottery talk

18:50:49 mircea_popescu: anyway. forks are utterly not at the disposition of any mortal. and there's no lesser mortal than a dev.

18:50:59 ascii_shmoocon: 'algebraic eraser'

18:51:36 mircea_popescu: so in the end, what any dev group thinks on the timing of forks is of interest to pretty much their biographers.

18:51:43 mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon any hot chicks ?

18:51:45 adlai: ascii_shmoocon: hey now, you yourself said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-12-2015#1357489

18:51:45 assbot: Logged on 31-12-2015 19:02:48; ascii_rear: adlai: this thread is good sober adlai

18:51:46 ascii_shmoocon: $firm bought me a ticket, so i pinched nose & went

18:52:17 fluffypony: let's be fair, though, the chances of Monero ever becoming the largest cryptocurrency is about the same as the chances of mircea_popescu secretly being a woman all along

18:52:19 ascii_shmoocon: mircea_popescu: 2 'trans' for every biochik

18:52:56 mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah but this is the spawning ground of long tail events. the chances of the us ever mattering were about the same as argentina's.

18:52:58 adlai: given that you're limited by the chances of Bitcoin *failing*... "that's not saying much"

18:52:59 phf: anyone got kicked out for dongle jokes yet?or we past that point?

18:53:05 mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you gotta be kidding me ?!

18:53:17 ascii_shmoocon: holy shit everything mircea ever said was true

18:53:27 mats: lol

18:53:28 mircea_popescu: who knew the geeks were going to take their "go to the prom with their friend dressed as a woman" to its logical conclusion.

18:53:52 ascii_shmoocon: I've never seen so many lamerz in one place

18:53:55 fluffypony: http://geekologie.com/2016/01/only-five-filipino-man-sets-new-record-f.php

18:53:56 assbot: Only Five?!: Filipino Man Sets New Record For Most Candles Extinguished With Farts | Geekologie ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRdvw5 )

18:54:02 copypaste: fluffypony: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/

18:54:03 assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsGWG5 )

18:54:07 copypaste: as mircea told you, there can only be one

18:54:19 mats: hard charger, this guy

18:54:23 mircea_popescu: isn't he.

18:54:24 ascii_shmoocon: and usg recruiting tables, dozens

18:54:33 mircea_popescu: any hot chicks there ?

18:54:48 ascii_shmoocon: few

18:54:54 fluffypony: copypaste: b) applies to Monero, and has applied to Monero for the past 20 months, so there's that

18:55:21 ascii_shmoocon: and maybe 1 in 30 attendees ever menstruated

18:55:28 mats: lol

18:55:32 mircea_popescu: in fairness fluffypony always drove it as a research interest.

18:55:42 mats: the numbers become more dramatic with each retelling

18:55:47 mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon mention of menstruation triggers me.

18:56:02 fluffypony: #TRIGGERWARNING

18:56:03 fluffypony: :-P

18:56:18 ascii_shmoocon: folks are drrrinkin' whisky

18:56:26 mircea_popescu: i suppose i should confess i read "nigger tagging" and did a doubletake

18:57:05 thestringpuller: fluffypony: is too african to be racist.

18:57:14 phf: ben_vulpes: what i meant is that in a city like new york or sf where everything's covered in cars at saturation, fighting over areas in front of shops seems like a meaningful endeavor, but portland?

18:57:24 fluffypony: thestringpuller: exactly, only white Europeans are racist

19:00:22 thestringpuller: http://shmoocon.org/speakers/#titansattack << lol you can hack big data now?

19:00:33 mod6: pwnd

19:01:51 mircea_popescu: phf cars drive the first case of power laws observed in day to day life. people manage to generate traffic in 1k inhabitant townlets.

19:02:04 mircea_popescu: because obviously everyone must at the same time.

19:02:47 mod6: when i drive, i sound like i have tourettes im sure.

19:02:52 mircea_popescu: lol

19:03:11 mircea_popescu: you shyould see these derps. half of the half that even bothers to signal, signals wrongly.

19:05:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7357 @ 0.00050978 = 3.7505 BTC [-]

19:21:16 jurov: roflmao "women are waking up with yawn, men with erection. this can't be coincidence!"

19:21:23 mircea_popescu: haha

19:21:55 mircea_popescu: un-fun fact : too much oral sex is actualy damaging to the penis.

19:22:20 mircea_popescu: (saliva is a digestive juice. you can end up with a pretty miserably upset skin.)

19:28:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00051122 = 1.1247 BTC [+] {2}

19:31:16 ben_vulpes: phf: and in those cities the cars park for 4+ hours and the trucks doing actual work double park next to them

19:31:30 ben_vulpes: cars are an insane deployment of capital and parking an insane deployment of re

19:32:59 thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/15BH3ES.txt

19:32:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:33:02 mircea_popescu: cars are fine, just, a society where income disparity is less than 100x makes a mess of them.

19:33:14 mircea_popescu: make the average derp earn 10 cents an hour, make a car 5k and all is well.

19:37:02 jurov: cars won't be made at all

19:38:13 mircea_popescu: you think ?

19:38:43 jurov: yes i do

19:38:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00051135 = 1.2272 BTC [+] {2}

19:39:24 mircea_popescu: whyssat ?

19:41:29 jurov: how would a tiny group of people cover the costs for mining and roads with smooth surface necessary?

19:41:41 punkman: small car-factory is not that expensive, it's not cpu fab

19:41:48 jurov: it would struck them as deeply uneconomical and they'd just revert to horses

19:42:20 jurov: punkman: because raw materials are mass mined and manufactured

19:42:49 mircea_popescu: what's size got to do with anything ?

19:43:04 mircea_popescu: the original buyers of cars weren't the 150mn derps, but the 15k people with means.

19:43:40 jurov: would they want to split the fixed costs?

19:43:51 mircea_popescu: this pretense whereby "everyone is equal" covers the very abrupt distribution curve where 99% owns jack shit and 1% has no fucking idea what to do with the world. needs to be flattened out.

19:44:49 mircea_popescu: and that flattening begins with "fuck you, salaries between 20k and 100k. how about from 120 to 12k a year instead"

19:45:18 jurov: no political bickering will change the fact that engineering has huge fixed costs that are best split to as many chumps as possible

19:45:24 mircea_popescu: not so.

19:45:36 mircea_popescu: headcount only matters in socialism.

19:45:51 jurov: you could have had a computer in fucking victorian britain. no one wanted to pay the fixed cost for the 1st item.

19:45:54 mircea_popescu: stop making the chumps have money they can't earn, problem goes awaqy

19:46:00 mircea_popescu: bullshit.

19:46:21 jurov: why babbage machine was not doen then?

19:46:25 mircea_popescu: in victorian britain people were more than willing to pay the fixed costs for parties in excess of the sustenance needed by one lancastershire neighbourhood.

19:47:01 jurov: irrelevent

19:47:05 jurov: *irrelevant

19:47:23 jurov: so they wanted to party, not pay for technology. and this changed how?

19:47:27 mircea_popescu: so they'd pay for ice scuplutrs enogh to buy the same weight in poor mill girls,

19:47:32 mircea_popescu: but they won't pay it for a car because... reasons.

19:49:05 jurov: the 15k people with means will pay for a computer or a car only if they foresee a possibility to recoup it from the chumps later

19:49:10 mircea_popescu: heck, maybe they won't. in which case they prolly have a good reason.

19:49:17 mircea_popescu: hah this is exactly not how it works.

19:49:41 mircea_popescu: i dunno why you think the world is chump-backed. it ain't. usg is, sure, but whatevs.

19:50:11 jurov: i am just explaining it to you, ooks like we miss each other

19:50:20 mircea_popescu: yeh.

19:50:30 mircea_popescu: no explicitly shared priors. what do we agree on ?

19:50:32 jurov: you think that fixed engineering costs for new technology does not exist or what?

19:50:59 jurov: moreover if it exists, you expound that 15k of people with means are interested to pay it themselves?

19:51:09 mircea_popescu: why not ?

19:51:22 mircea_popescu: or moreover : what do you think is structurally differfent between 15k and 15mn ?

19:51:30 shinohai: https://twitter.com/hashbreaker/status/683653768358019072 "I like tor for all mah regular web browsing"

19:52:30 mircea_popescu: the only difference i can see (that with selected 15k you can actually communicate, whereas the 15mn you can only herd, which is why copywriting instead of literature, pr instead of logic etc) argues against your position.

19:52:36 jurov: structural difference is that it's marginally easier to mine and smelt quality steel for 15mn than 15k.

19:53:22 mircea_popescu: not relevantly so. newton's laboratory had fixed costs, just like alf's laboratory does. guess who pays those fixed costs ?

19:53:53 mircea_popescu: let's not voice him :D

19:54:26 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_shmoocon

19:54:26 jurov: you do. and you don't want to sell 15m cardanos, instead of 15k?

19:54:31 mircea_popescu: that'll be 15k alfie!

19:54:49 ascii_shmoocon: l0lwut

19:54:51 mircea_popescu: jurov uh hardly, i don';t. he does. like newton did.

19:55:23 mircea_popescu: and i don't give a shit how many cardanos get sold. what interests me is for them to be good.

19:55:38 mircea_popescu: guess whether the 15k or the 15mn model promotes this view.

19:56:40 ascii_shmoocon: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372997 << if not for 100 years of chump, we'd have to make it all from horse

19:56:40 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:49:41; mircea_popescu: i dunno why you think the world is chump-backed. it ain't. usg is, sure, but whatevs.

19:56:55 mircea_popescu: like hell.

19:57:04 ascii_shmoocon: semiconductor is inherently mass

19:57:10 mircea_popescu: the only thing the FIFTY years of chump did was take a shit on everything else.

19:57:23 mircea_popescu: some fields somewhat survived a decade or so after world chumpification.

19:57:24 ascii_shmoocon: wish it weren't so

19:57:37 mircea_popescu: nothing "inherent" exists in this world.

19:57:58 mircea_popescu: and note that you're basing your mind on an idiotic "1 person = 1 computer" view.

19:58:23 mircea_popescu: nonsense. between selling 8mn crapples to 15mn cows and selling 1.5mn actual computers to 15k actual people, the latter prevails.

19:58:30 jurov: eh mircea_popescu, go grow si monocrystals and wash the wafers in hf yourself

19:58:43 mircea_popescu: note that the average cpu/capita value of the world in general is sub .5, whereas in your house is over 10

19:58:57 mircea_popescu: jurov no, the shitheads now on reddit, soon to make 10 cents an hour will do it.

19:59:58 jurov: hahaha you think shitheads are capable of following strict technological process?

20:00:18 jurov: in cleanroom with hf?

20:00:33 mircea_popescu: have some faith in humanity.

20:01:04 mircea_popescu: but yes, the chinese gurlz prove they can, and do just fine. and so do the mill girls of 19th century, for that matter.

20:01:11 jurov: ascii_shmoocon: looky now who is throwing rivers of meat on the problem

20:01:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00051145 = 3.6569 BTC [+] {2}

20:01:52 jurov: 1. it ain't ferite core weaving 2. the gals doing that were paid very well

20:02:07 mircea_popescu: so good for them, pay them well.

20:02:13 phf: i thought cpus were mostly built in u.s. and japan? hence the whole fukushima supply line disruption

20:03:25 ben_vulpes: those were hdds

20:03:46 mircea_popescu: i dunno, random "washing silicone" reference for no discernible reason.

20:03:48 ben_vulpes: aaand that was actually indonesia, so i'm probably thinking about the wrong thing.

20:03:54 mircea_popescu: as if that's what decides things or w/e.

20:04:45 jurov: yes. mircea decides that washing silicon or eulora art ought to be done for $.1 per hour and universe obliges

20:05:13 mircea_popescu: quite.

20:05:35 mircea_popescu: how DID you think price formation works ?

20:06:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17181 @ 0.00051094 = 8.7785 BTC [-]

20:06:27 mircea_popescu: "oh, i got better opportunities elsewhere" "working on fixing tyhat" "i'd rather sit on reddit than work for a fair rate NO MATTER WHAT" "i guess we put a reddit lcd on your tombstone then".

20:06:47 jurov: i see, all my previous notions of price formation are now worthless anyway

20:08:12 mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, how much do you figure that chick was worth ?

20:08:19 mircea_popescu: the one valuing her ugly ass at $5`000.00

20:09:05 jurov: you know how much chinese, or even north korean chix already get, it's more than 0.1/hr

20:09:44 mircea_popescu: a) not looking like that. b) we can't really discuss absolute numbers seriously. there's no basis. i was just illustrating proportions.

20:10:40 mircea_popescu: when a butt-ugly wench that should be thankful if she ever gets laid for free imagines herself above what kim kardashian / the very peak of her profession actually make, it's indisputable the self-valuation ran amok.

20:10:58 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_shmoocon

20:11:10 jurov: okay back to the proportion. why don't you pay to build the atomic dirigible, for the 15k with means?

20:11:29 mircea_popescu: the 15k don't currently exist.

20:11:49 mircea_popescu: review the discussion of buffett's fraudulent pretenses as to "the low tax".

20:12:07 mircea_popescu: currently the wealth curve is very zipf-skewed, which is a serious problem.

20:12:16 mircea_popescu: it must be flattened, is what i said before.

20:12:32 ascii_shmoocon: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373047 << as it is, just ~my~ tax blood supports 3-4 of'em

20:12:32 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:06:27; mircea_popescu: "oh, i got better opportunities elsewhere" "working on fixing tyhat" "i'd rather sit on reddit than work for a fair rate NO MATTER WHAT" "i guess we put a reddit lcd on your tombstone then".

20:12:38 mircea_popescu: and the path to flattening it is ruining the "wealthy" and trampling the "people".

20:13:15 mircea_popescu: the two go hand in hand. selling obama's daughters at public auction where gaddafi's palace used to stand is just half the story.

20:13:37 mircea_popescu: humiliating all the "world saving" derps is into proper uranium mines is the other half.

20:14:12 jurov: but then the end situation is not 15k with means but one ruler and subjects

20:14:18 mircea_popescu: not in the slightest.

20:15:01 mircea_popescu: instead of today's arrangement where you can fit the nominal owners of the world in a fucking room, whereas every fucktard worth ~0 out there derps about how "black lives matter" as if obviously his did,

20:15:12 mircea_popescu: you get something closer to a linear distribution.

20:15:21 ascii_shmoocon: and there is already a lizard caste, may even number 15k...

20:15:27 mircea_popescu: where you can get 1% of the world's wealth in a room, but if you want 10% you need a small city. etc

20:15:44 mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon no, because none of them can actually do anything.

20:15:58 mircea_popescu: they're ~= to the french "nobles" at versailles. circus act.

20:16:23 mircea_popescu: replace the courtiers with march lords ftw.

20:16:27 ascii_shmoocon: what, exactly, can't they do ?

20:16:39 mircea_popescu: wire ten dollars to isis.

20:16:48 mircea_popescu: arrest a judge.

20:17:00 mircea_popescu: say "nigger".

20:17:01 jurov: and how do you propose to have 15k independently wealthy? dependency is better strategy

20:17:03 ascii_shmoocon: ted turner could

20:17:10 mircea_popescu: jurov dependency is a miserable strategy.

20:17:25 jurov: says owner of most of our bitcoins

20:17:41 ascii_shmoocon: l0lz

20:17:42 mircea_popescu: how teh f do you depend on me ?!

20:18:04 mircea_popescu: for one thing, i've been spending so much effort trying to prevent exactly that sort of thing it's nigh on taxing friendship.

20:18:05 jurov: i have stash locked in S.NSA

20:18:11 jurov: for example

20:18:19 mircea_popescu: how's that make me the owner ?!

20:18:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2867 @ 0.00051094 = 1.4649 BTC [-]

20:18:37 jurov: can i haz it tomorrow?

20:18:45 jurov: there are not enough bids

20:18:52 mircea_popescu: for one thing i'm a fucking minority partner in that venture!

20:19:09 jurov: who has the coins then?

20:19:18 jurov: the private keys?

20:19:26 mircea_popescu: in that sense i suppose.

20:19:37 jurov: hence, dependency

20:20:01 mircea_popescu: i dun see it, honestly, but hey.

20:20:11 ascii_shmoocon: fact is, decentralization is a fantasy

20:20:22 mircea_popescu: psshhhh

20:20:43 mircea_popescu: next you're going to say love is a fantasy, and so is liberty, and then ima say knowledge is a fantasy and you'll what, agree ?

20:20:45 ascii_shmoocon: every single one of us is on a cpu made in 1 of 3 places.

20:21:08 mircea_popescu: this "made" bs. every woman i eve rfucked was made by a woman i wouldn't have fucked.

20:21:13 mircea_popescu: what of it ? i still own them.

20:21:16 mircea_popescu: and use them happily.

20:21:45 ascii_shmoocon: not how cpu works, woman rules do not apply.

20:21:49 mircea_popescu: phhh.

20:21:52 mircea_popescu: !s cunt perl

20:21:52 assbot: 3 results for 'cunt perl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cunt+perl

20:22:21 ascii_shmoocon: another legendarily terrible example

20:22:28 mircea_popescu: the degree computing "science" degraded, a woman's a much better model for a computer than any sort of nonsense that sterile homosexual turing came up with !!11

20:23:26 ascii_shmoocon: didja ever read yossi kreinin's piece 'computers you can't program ' ?

20:23:36 ascii_shmoocon: related.

20:23:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17373 @ 0.00051426 = 8.9342 BTC [+] {6}

20:23:53 mircea_popescu: perhaps not.

20:25:09 mircea_popescu: jurov there's whatever, 50k at 10 under par and 200k more at 50%. how much did you sell or what exactly are you discussing here ? where's your sell bids at ?

20:25:44 mircea_popescu: ;;google yosefk.com "computers you can't program"

20:25:44 gribble: Do you really want to be making this much money when you're 50?: ; The "high-level CPU" challenge - Yossi Kreinin: ; Why programming isn't for everyone - Yossi Kreinin:

20:25:51 ascii_shmoocon: also wtf, you can't have a planet with 15 much less 15k mp's

20:25:53 jurov: 100000 @ 0.00011000

20:26:20 jurov: and 200`000 @ 0.00029000 but i don't expect that one to be hit any soon

20:26:23 mircea_popescu: jurov yes well, generallty the way investing works is that you can either fix the margin or the timescale.

20:26:42 mircea_popescu: this has nothing to do with me.

20:26:46 mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon i do not see why not.

20:27:00 mircea_popescu: other than, of course, "easier to be lazy and there's welfare anyway".

20:27:06 jurov: how do i fix the timescale? by abducting ascii_shmoocon to north korea?

20:27:15 mircea_popescu: !up christophe

20:27:27 ascii_shmoocon: nature doesn't make'em often and they tend to kill one another..

20:27:31 mircea_popescu: jurov if you want now, the offer is -11%. if you want +10%, you'll have to wait and see.

20:27:43 mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon da fuck, i only killed idiots to date.

20:28:24 ascii_shmoocon: that's 'cause nature doesn't make often

20:28:32 mircea_popescu: but hey, if you have some way to speed up alfie i'm all ears :D

20:28:38 jurov: i can sell 100k or 200k shares at 0.000089? where?

20:28:45 ascii_shmoocon: lol ditto

20:28:54 mircea_popescu: i see 50`000 0.00008888 ?

20:29:13 ascii_shmoocon: actually it is very easy but expensive sadly

20:29:51 mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon i'm pretty firmly dedicated to having spectacular sex with any and all mps. why kill each other ?!

20:30:05 ascii_shmoocon: i meant speedup

20:30:17 *: BingoBoingo wasted too much of my life reading a piece by Simon Edhouse of David Thorne fame. Copholarchaeologist can find it themselves

20:30:30 mircea_popescu: i gather'd.

20:30:46 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol was it all plaintive ?

20:31:13 BingoBoingo: You can find it yourself.

20:31:27 BingoBoingo: I just want to mention it exists.

20:31:38 ascii_shmoocon: and holyfuq are these talks snorefest

20:31:46 BingoBoingo: I'm already trying to unlearn it as best as I can without relapsing

20:33:50 mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to things : 1. a thriving middle class means very strictly, ruined-usg-everything as well as scandalously oppressed orcs. this is what it means, this is what'll happen because middle class is not negotiable.

20:34:27 mircea_popescu: 2. decentralized world, and powers of varying magnitudes coexisting productively is an ~ecological~ problem. of exactly the nature of "don't shit in the soup bowl".

20:34:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5456 @ 0.00051094 = 2.7877 BTC [-]

20:34:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 51000 @ 0.00008888 = 4.5329 BTC [-] {2}

20:34:54 mircea_popescu: inept whining to the degree that "people might, and how do we know they won't" and etc are not germane. that's why there's the wot and fore that matter when's the last time you ate soup with a turd in it ?

20:35:20 mircea_popescu: and maybe there's a 3.

20:36:14 ascii_shmoocon: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373053 << i've yet to meet anybody who was ready to be revalued 'as worth'

20:36:14 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:10:40; mircea_popescu: when a butt-ugly wench that should be thankful if she ever gets laid for free imagines herself above what kim kardashian / the very peak of her profession actually make, it's indisputable the self-valuation ran amok.

20:36:33 mircea_popescu: and i've yet to meet anyone in an airplane crash who was ready to fly.

20:36:33 mircea_popescu: so ?

20:36:34 jurov: how is my relationship with s.nsa "coexisting productively" ? i can either negrate alf, or cause price to plummet yet further

20:36:40 mircea_popescu: plane's going down.

20:36:55 ascii_shmoocon: in fact there is a reason this is a recurrent motif in afterlife myths!!

20:36:57 mircea_popescu: jurov why is either of these not productive ?

20:37:07 jurov: and the coins aren't going to be used prioductively anytime soon

20:37:21 jurov: what is the product?

20:37:33 mircea_popescu: well as described in monthly letters, all sorts of things

20:37:39 mircea_popescu: admittedly yet vague and far from very usable.

20:38:16 mircea_popescu: and im not sure what is a more productive use of bitcoin than holding on to it, but ymmv.

20:38:25 mircea_popescu: from experience, few beat that strategy yet.

20:39:33 ascii_shmoocon: i often wish that we had not taken in the coinS

20:39:41 jurov: is "holding coins" in the s.nsa contract?

20:39:48 mircea_popescu: eh, trade'll slowly unwind.

20:40:07 mircea_popescu: jurov well company sells shares, until it puts them to some use it holds on to them. what else can you do ?

20:40:07 ascii_shmoocon: (the pot is almost uselessly small)

20:40:40 jurov: so, i'm dependent on it in any practical way

20:40:51 mircea_popescu: in the sense that it doesn't buy a si fab or what ?

20:41:06 mircea_popescu: jurov dependency and investment are orthogonal concerns.

20:41:13 adlai: !up ascii_shmoocon

20:41:15 mircea_popescu: sez so right in the merchant of venice!

20:41:29 ascii_shmoocon: not only no si fab

20:42:02 ascii_shmoocon: but would not even feed me for a whole year, if it came to it

20:42:31 ascii_shmoocon: not even half

20:42:52 mircea_popescu: why would it feed you ?!

20:43:41 ascii_shmoocon: if there were 1000x moar of it, you would still barf at the idea?

20:43:53 mircea_popescu: yes ?

20:44:04 mircea_popescu: who eats off capital for crying out loud.

20:44:21 ascii_shmoocon: everyone but me?

20:44:27 mircea_popescu: nuts.

20:44:31 mircea_popescu: do you eat your car ? your horse ?

20:44:35 mircea_popescu: capital you save with your life.

20:44:40 mircea_popescu: you eat off its product.

20:45:01 ascii_shmoocon: time is also capital

20:45:07 mircea_popescu: there's no merchants left in thsi world are there. whole fucking raft of culture and its knowledges, gone from the world.

20:45:24 mircea_popescu: it is not capital until you add it to capital!

20:45:30 mircea_popescu: by buying shares or capital goods or whatever.

20:45:35 ascii_shmoocon: as it is, snsa is somethng i do on the train to and from 8h of garbage

20:46:01 mircea_popescu: and from the looks of it investors are starting to have had enough, eh.

20:47:12 phf: "raise capital to pay developers"

20:47:25 ascii_shmoocon: possibly i'll have to reach into sofa cushion and give the coinz back

20:47:43 mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon what coins ?

20:48:11 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, is phuctor back online ? it'd have been a very convenient answer for me to give a few lines above.

20:48:14 ascii_shmoocon: what we spent- ~15? to date

20:48:28 mircea_popescu: i dun think you understand how accounting works lol.

20:48:43 ascii_shmoocon: mno, blew last weekend on the tx crapola

20:48:52 ascii_shmoocon: no phuctor yet

20:49:02 jurov: well the situaiton is that "person who will handle the operational, research and technical aspects of the venture" does it in his own time and own money anyway and whole s.nsa is scarcely needed

20:49:15 jurov: or am i wrong?

20:49:31 mircea_popescu: you are wrong in the part where you presume to decide whether what other people do is needed or not.

20:49:50 mircea_popescu: you're also wrong in imagining that anyone does anything other than in their own time.

20:49:58 jurov: lol i comment, not decide

20:50:12 ascii_shmoocon: jurov if you need it, you can buy me as well as anybody

20:50:33 mircea_popescu: you'll notice that while it took a very long time, s.nsa did not spend a lot of money.

20:50:40 ascii_shmoocon: but i don't expect anybody to

20:50:47 mircea_popescu: you're more than welcome to prefer a different time/money ratio, and even start a competitor.

20:50:48 jurov: except you would not accept any money cuz you don't want to pay taxes etc.

20:51:05 mircea_popescu: heck, i'd even list it, i dun see the problem.

20:51:06 jurov: what is the ratio?

20:51:08 ascii_shmoocon: the investors spoke at ipo

20:51:11 jurov: atm?

20:51:18 mircea_popescu: so far, ~15 btc and ~2 years.

20:52:06 jurov: oh, i am already doing it as foundation treasurer it has much better ratio :D

20:52:06 mircea_popescu: there's a lengthy list of various fiat-based stuff that tried the "low time, high money" approach. they all failed and had to be rolled up in ever-larger failed ventures, usg style.

20:52:18 mircea_popescu: so i don't terribly favouring the "quickly! spend!" approach. but that's just me.

20:52:25 mircea_popescu: what's the hurry anywaqy, the republic has infinite times.

20:52:47 mircea_popescu: jurov did the foundation ever spend anything, i forget.

20:52:49 ascii_shmoocon: but yes, it could easily happen 10x faster, and i'd be lying if i said that I didn't know how...

20:52:54 ascii_shmoocon: that's all

20:53:21 ascii_shmoocon: bbl

20:53:30 jurov: how much $$$ you need monthly?

20:53:33 mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you'd also be lying if you didn't say you specifically hate it.

20:53:51 BingoBoingo: It seems that the answer to the S.NSA problems is getting alf food stamps and section 8 housing.

20:54:12 mircea_popescu: jurov lettuce not be naive. the alternatives here aren't the alternatives we perceive we would prefer. it's either he's a free man and does it as such, or else he's a peon like al schwatz describes in that very well written piece.

20:54:42 mircea_popescu: i dun happen to want to run yet another of those ventures, myself. but others do, and i'm sure if you're one of them you can go open an office in sf, hire head hunters and proceed apace.

20:55:15 mircea_popescu: and if alf specifically won't show up in the employment line, an exactly fungible equivalent surely will.

20:55:56 BingoBoingo: Methoxsalen might help with section 8

20:56:29 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo except he doesn't seem to want them ; and besides, what confidence does a bum inspire to be a chief engineer ?

20:57:33 *: adlai wonders whether the problem is "investors have come to expect", reminiscent of: "if this is not what you have come to expect, please adjust your expectations"

20:57:35 BingoBoingo: Aha, this really gets to the meat of the problem. Impatience with fiat not dying fast enough for any of us to buy Nevada on a whim yet.

20:57:47 ben_vulpes: foundation spend << not to date

20:57:48 jurov: mircea_popescu: i am actually trying to hire someone, but for that need to shift part of s.nsa stash

20:58:13 phf: i find the framing odd, i thought purpose of s.nsa capital was to assist ascii in his b-a aligned, but essentially personal endeavor, which might potentially have a return. somehow it turned into "pay ascii by the hour". if ascii doesn't want to work on cardano, it's not a b-a way to coerce him, but if the project still exists, is being worked on, then money will be spent when there's something to spend it on, and there will be a

20:58:13 phf: return, if there's value in s.nsa output

20:58:30 fluffypony: https://i.imgur.com/3Le6enm.jpg

20:58:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1liNlqf )

20:58:57 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_shmoocon

20:59:09 mircea_popescu: jurov seems the trade'll unwind. in fairness, you can't at the same time try to snipe bids you like, and be upset you don't see as many as you decided you need.

20:59:20 mircea_popescu: put your offer in the book, if it is of this nature of a firm offer, and wait and see.

20:59:29 ascii_shmoocon: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373230 << I wouldn't refuse a nostring 6fig bag

20:59:29 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:56:29; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo except he doesn't seem to want them ; and besides, what confidence does a bum inspire to be a chief engineer ?

20:59:47 ascii_shmoocon: but we're talking fantasy

20:59:47 mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you gotta at some point stop acting and trying to think like a child.

21:00:01 ascii_shmoocon: ?

21:00:09 BingoBoingo: ascii_shmoocon: Maybe next october?

21:00:19 mircea_popescu: what "6 fig bag", what nonsense is this!

21:00:29 BingoBoingo: figs are delicious

21:00:37 BingoBoingo: 6 figs is six delicious

21:00:41 mircea_popescu: lol

21:01:02 ben_vulpes: this margin/time/spend way of looking at things is very illuminating

21:01:04 mircea_popescu: phf well yeah, in principle i agree.

21:01:15 *: BingoBoingo honestly would consider taking on extra projects if fig bags started appearing

21:01:16 mircea_popescu: then again you know, the forum exists for people to voice their voice.

21:01:26 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ;)

21:01:48 jurov: *sigh* there it is.

21:01:50 ben_vulpes: and eating of capital

21:03:02 ascii_shmoocon: what I'm helpfully reminding folks of is that i am not an actual '15k' person like mp

21:03:12 ascii_shmoocon: but a slave.

21:03:20 mircea_popescu: well dig yourself out already.

21:03:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2015 @ 0.00051094 = 1.0295 BTC [-] {2}

21:03:46 jurov: ascii_shmoocon i did offer you to become a contractor to my company, paid by $$$, you recoiled in horror

21:03:58 jurov: "t4x3s!!!"

21:03:59 mircea_popescu: o when was this ?

21:04:03 ben_vulpes: "web techmologies!"

21:04:10 mircea_popescu: that one i recall lol.

21:04:21 ascii_shmoocon: because I can't live on chickenshit??

21:05:03 ascii_shmoocon: and have no intention of trying

21:05:07 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes incidentally did that other guy work out, what's his name

21:05:19 ben_vulpes: no way

21:05:25 ben_vulpes: not his problem though

21:05:36 ben_vulpes: one of not crossing bezzle and bitcoin streams.

21:05:41 mircea_popescu: markets be very disparate huh.

21:06:02 ben_vulpes: somewhat.

21:06:24 mircea_popescu: anyway, alf's position is particularly unfortunate i guess, on one hand not one of "mps' 15k", on the other not one of the 15mn, is there no spot in the sun for an alf!

21:06:33 ben_vulpes: but also the startup short requires tending to the egos of those being shorted.

21:07:34 ascii_shmoocon: no spot but here, watching a bloke give a talk on thermite, wearing a firesuit

21:07:47 mircea_popescu: no thermite present ?

21:07:56 ascii_shmoocon: shortly

21:08:06 mircea_popescu: maybe he's with isis.

21:08:14 ascii_shmoocon: you can watch the stream

21:08:31 ascii_shmoocon: I'm sitting next to the cam, lol

21:08:31 mircea_popescu: i'd rather watch okcupid sluts camho. and no, i'm not watching that either.

21:09:18 ascii_shmoocon: but no, none of it is worth watching by mp

21:11:35 jurov: sigh, can't find the original offer, maybe it was not employment but i do remember offering fiat service to alf

21:11:59 mircea_popescu: http://yosefk.com/blog/do-you-really-want-to-be-making-this-much-money-when-youre-50.html << somewhat bizarre take on things.

21:12:02 assbot: Do you really want to be making this much money when you're 50? ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdQBAk )

21:12:10 ascii_shmoocon: i can guarantee it wasn't enough..

21:12:53 jurov: !b 3

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21:13:22 deedbot-: [Qntra] CoinBase Blames DDoS For Irregular Exchange Behavior - http://qntra.net/2016/01/coinbase-blames-ddos-for-irregular-exchange-behavior/

21:13:43 mircea_popescu: really this fiction of paying money rather than equity is nonsense of the first order.

21:13:55 ascii_shmoocon: lol thermite in 1u !

21:14:33 BingoBoingo: lol, wake me up when off the shelf solutions to replace the thermite role with FOOF emerge

21:14:38 ben_vulpes: ddos?

21:14:39 ben_vulpes: ffs.

21:14:47 jurov: to me it would make sense to pay full month or two to kick the project off

21:15:25 *: ben_vulpes never understood the 'broomstick' line

21:15:46 mircea_popescu: jurov to kick what project off ? the "looking for yet another job" project ?

21:15:55 ascii_shmoocon: aha lol

21:16:07 mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon in his defense, he's not a manager.

21:16:28 jurov: ok, maybe it's stupid idea

21:16:49 ascii_shmoocon: i'm sold in year spans, preferably multiple.

21:17:54 jurov: and i'm no mircea_popescu to get execution on my projects for $0.1/hr :(

21:18:41 mircea_popescu: anyway. my in-between-the-lines reading of the situation was that alf found, unexpectedly, that he had been doing dope for a long time, and while is working to get himself off the stuff, nevertheless due to the lenthy time spent on sudden solutions aren't practicable. so he's working on it.

21:18:59 mircea_popescu: course by now he's taken longer than conceivable for this purpose, but then again... his lyf.

21:23:07 BingoBoingo: The dope is merely a symptom of deeper pathology

21:23:24 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

21:23:39 BingoBoingo: At least that's what the old timers say

21:23:40 mircea_popescu: be that as it may, i'm going to take the girls out to eat, and so we can continue later !

21:26:03 BingoBoingo: ;;nethash

21:26:04 gribble: 764613631.731

21:27:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4271 @ 0.00051481 = 2.1988 BTC [+]

21:28:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4469 @ 0.00051332 = 2.294 BTC [-]

21:33:16 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> jurov did the foundation ever spend anything, i forget. <+ben_vulpes> foundation spend << not to date << technically we have made one expenditure, paying jurov his yearly fee.

21:33:27 ben_vulpes: o tru

21:39:45 jurov: i'm not taking anything for last year, consider it as my tax payment

21:40:21 mod6: Thank you for your services and contribution, Sir.

21:40:32 jurov: You're welcome, Sir.

21:40:33 mod6: *contributions! even.

21:40:52 ben_vulpes: i'd really rather the books show the expected expenses, jurov.

21:41:09 jurov: there are expected expenses?

21:41:11 ben_vulpes: even if you don't move the coins around, would you show your charge and account for its not moving in donations?

21:41:21 jurov: yes, np

21:41:33 mod6: oh, fair point Mr. Vulpes.

21:42:46 mod6: in other news, this is annoying:

21:42:49 mod6: emerge sys-devel/gdb

21:42:57 mod6: ... bunch of can not find ur thing ...

21:43:10 mod6: >>> Failed to emerge sys-devel/gdb-7.7.1

21:43:16 ben_vulpes: logz plz

21:43:30 ben_vulpes: (and ty, jurov)

21:44:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00051542 = 3.7626 BTC [+] {2}

21:44:37 mod6: maybe this is the problem: * Last emerge --sync was 188d 1h 7m 43s ago.

21:44:47 mod6: http://dpaste.com/0AG649P.txt

21:44:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wihsf2 )

21:45:25 mod6: running a `emerge --sync` now.

21:45:58 deedbot-: [Qntra] Desperate Ether Huffers Turn To Spam - http://qntra.net/2016/01/desperate-ether-huffers-turn-to-spam/

21:46:29 mod6: get your rags ready

21:47:16 BingoBoingo: lol, ty thestringpuller for keeping Qntra moving on a weekend.

21:47:27 mod6: hey cool, its building gdb now :}

21:49:24 mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pretty neat ice scuptures. i'd like to see an ice sculpture of a guy with a sharpie in pooper.

21:49:25 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:50:08 mod6: to get the level of detail required for that, it'd probably need to be 50' high. all the better. :D

21:50:31 punkman: ben_vulpes: aaand that was actually indonesia, so i'm probably thinking about the wrong thing. << it was actually floods in Thailand.

21:50:51 mod6: checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: in `/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gdb-7.10.1/work/gdb-7.10.1':

21:50:54 mod6: configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.

21:50:57 mod6: wtf

21:54:18 shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/9aUNNcz.png

21:54:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRs5DB )

21:54:19 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:55:06 BingoBoingo: shinohai: Bees on strike

21:58:03 mod6: my eyes

21:58:08 shinohai: !rate thestringpuller 1 Great Qntra submissions of late

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21:58:53 shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.thestringpuller.1:6027de42db3a1f9df93b8c0f6080e300c2d469e6923d1ec6cb5746c297a13df4

21:58:53 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for thestringpuller with note: Great Qntra submissions of late

21:59:56 BingoBoingo: No wonder Ver's news site is going off they rails. They've got self declared Hegelians https://archive.is/70Zz9

21:59:57 assbot: 2016 Could Be Bitcoin's Year If We Help It - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRsjL0 )

22:02:34 mod6: does anyone know how to fix this in gentoo? http://dpaste.com/0XVYZE6.txt ?

22:02:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRsqpT )

22:02:43 fluffypony: nobody knows

22:02:44 fluffypony: nobody

22:02:46 fluffypony: you're on your own

22:02:50 fluffypony: godspeed, and good luck

22:02:54 mod6: hahah

22:04:39 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell jamieredman Perhaps before you try going beyond Faith you first try putting the rest of everything together. You do realized that at one point Hegelian societies dedicated to spreading socialism were quite trendy?

22:04:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:06:14 guruvan: mod6: cannot run C compiled programs? sounds like maybe you've not got a correct toolchain? how're you building ?

22:07:35 guruvan: just happen to be building a buncha gentoo docker images today

22:08:10 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372769 << notbad

22:08:10 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 18:20:12; mircea_popescu: http://www.secureworks.com/cyber-threat-intelligence/threats/bgp-hijacking-for-cryptocurrency-profit/ << somewhat old but i dun recall it being in the log.

22:09:37 mod6: guruvan: hey thanks, yeah i think after looking at the config.log output it's because of this:

22:09:51 mod6: CC='/mnt/btc-dev/rotor/toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc'

22:10:30 guruvan: oh - have you rebuilt everything with that?

22:10:32 mod6: or.. related to that. i /know/ the compiler itself works, because i just recompiled bitcoind lastnight on here. but i dunno, seems like buildroot somehow hijacked the systems gcc and how is rendered defunct?

22:10:44 mod6: # gcc-config -l [1] x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.8.4 *

22:11:40 guruvan: is that gcc rebuilt with itself?

22:13:43 ben_vulpes: punkman: a right

22:14:58 guruvan: oic - I didn't notice the musl libc - I've not built one of those yet - but - did you write a whole profile for it?

22:15:01 mod6: guruvan: yeah, i guess that buildroot must hvae used 4.8.4 to build the 4.9.x with musl that buildroot uses.

22:15:11 mod6: here's my config.log output for fluffypony and everyone who cares: http://dpaste.com/0KZP715.txt

22:15:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRsW7u )

22:16:27 mod6: i think it's ok. i'll probably just shut down this instance, detach the volume, fire up my old deb instance and debug on that.

22:16:58 mod6: the main issue is here, that i mainly just use this instance for build tests & full-sync tests. but the debugging i wanna do now, requires a fully syncd chain.

22:17:15 mod6: no worries.

22:17:19 guruvan: the configure there completely fails

22:17:38 mod6: yeah.

22:17:49 mod6: couldn't even make an a.out

22:17:50 jurov: guruvan: pls post the configg.log as it says

22:18:31 guruvan: jurov: ?

22:18:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00051297 = 4.3602 BTC [-] {4}

22:18:54 jurov: oh it was mod6 he already did

22:18:58 mod6: :D

22:19:22 guruvan: mod6: not sure what you're testing - I just put together a docker image with the v0.5.3 code on thebitcoin.foundation site

22:19:30 mod6: i wanna send a bunch of more txs to the foundations addy and debug while im doing that.

22:19:44 jurov: x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-V' << this

22:19:52 mod6: guruvan: really? cool!

22:20:29 mod6: jurov: ya, saw that. the system is confused about which compiler to use i think.

22:20:29 guruvan: https://hub.docker.com/r/mazaclub/btc-therealbitcoin-base/builds/ << latest should work - is running on my dev aws node

22:20:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UXTl41 )

22:21:42 guruvan: those images are superbig dev images - all source and everything still onboard

22:21:49 guruvan: https://github.com/mazaclub/docker-coin-daemons/tree/btc-therealbtc << source for the image

22:21:50 assbot: mazaclub/docker-coin-daemons at btc-therealbtc - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UXTqEX )

22:22:12 shinohai: guruvan: sweet image

22:22:29 mod6: heeey this is really neat 'RUN echo "Building Daemon" \ ... && wget /v0.5.3...tar.gz \ ...'

22:22:44 guruvan: I'll have some smaller gentoo based ones out ( ~100MB or so) this week

22:22:57 BingoBoingo: guruvan: To sync past August you'll need the latest BDB patch

22:23:05 mod6: so eventually we could even have this with like V too right? or just let trinque's makefiles do the heavy lifting with V there i guess too.

22:23:44 guruvan: mod6: yah - I don't know anything about V - but I'll figur ethat out and get this in there

22:23:57 guruvan: I'm not a big git fan

22:24:00 mod6: no worries atm. but yeah, awesome work. thanks for doing that

22:24:55 guruvan: you bet - I'll put out some more once I have the V figured out - that's just some thing that works - uses older big phusion ubuntu image underneath

22:25:07 guruvan: BingoBoingo: can you point me to a patch - I'll make the change

22:25:19 shinohai: I finally got V to work for me just hours ago.

22:25:26 mod6: ^6

22:25:29 shinohai: 3 day battle for latest patches xD

22:25:59 BingoBoingo: guruvan: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000139.html I believe it is in the latest Test 2 bundle

22:26:00 assbot: [BTC-dev] (CORRECTED) Bullet in the Forehead for the BDB Locks Idiocy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWNo0i )

22:26:03 guruvan: point to primer on V ?

22:26:28 BingoBoingo: guruvan: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-November/000181.html

22:26:29 assbot: [BTC-dev] mod6's V [in perl] version 99997 K with Cucumber Tests & Testing Guide Included ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRtpXi )

22:26:40 mod6: thx BingoBoingo

22:26:55 BingoBoingo: yw mod6

22:27:22 mod6: ya, there is a quick-start guide, and a full run down of functionallity provided. might be worth a read through before you dig in.

22:28:03 mod6: on my list of things to work on is also a high-level document for V -- sort of an RFC. that'd probably be better to start with, but sadly doesn't exist yet.

22:28:34 guruvan: is V something y'all threw together?

22:28:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00051561 = 12.8903 BTC [+] {5}

22:28:45 mod6: yeah.

22:28:46 guruvan: I've never heard of this at all

22:29:38 guruvan: I'll get it figured out and get this all in there then

22:30:01 mod6: that would be the bees knees.

22:30:20 BingoBoingo: guruvan: asciilifeform delivered the first implementation and mod6 took over maintenance.

22:31:04 mod6: the idea of V is a versioning system based upon patches that include SHA512 hashes of the file before and after the given patch is applied -- and checks the given signatures of the wot entities who have signed off on the patch.

22:31:34 mod6: well, to BingoBoingo's point... Alf provided the first implementation and POC, i just took it a few steps further in mine.

22:31:47 mod6: And ben_vulpes wrote one in CL

22:31:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00051717 = 2.7927 BTC [+] {3}

22:31:57 mod6: there's a guy actually writing a js one too lol

22:32:05 guruvan: I like it with wot sigs - very interesting

22:32:11 ben_vulpes: > js << lolwutwho

22:32:30 mod6: punindented

22:32:37 mod6: !up punindented

22:33:07 mod6: feel free to elaborate on this if you wish, punindented. he brought it up to me, i said, "hey, go nuts!"

22:34:06 shinohai: I'm sticking with perl V

22:34:42 mod6: i gotta get that new version published. but im thinking that before I do so, i wanna have a few other things done too.

22:34:45 mod6: it's coming.

22:35:17 guruvan: lol perl

22:35:32 BingoBoingo: Worth a few chuckles https://archive.is/IR3q7

22:35:33 assbot: HARDFORK: Fix mining centralisation by luke-jr · Pull Request #6 · bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRtOca )

22:35:33 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372300 << i've actually been laughing all day at the thought of BingoBoingo being triggered by exercise equipment :D

22:35:33 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:47:10; BingoBoingo: Muh Triggerz

22:36:23 pete_dushenski: "Luke is not a troll. He does think outside the box." << ya mkay

22:36:24 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But if Hamplanets can claim the same

22:36:40 pete_dushenski: but you're not a hammie !

22:36:52 pete_dushenski: maybe that's what makes it funny. i dunno.

22:37:18 BingoBoingo: Smith machines have a long history of controversy

22:37:33 mod6: <+guruvan> lol perl << im not so great with python, which alfs initial version was written in -- but the one thing that stuck out there for us to use was Graph::Easy

22:37:46 mod6: this way we could generate the topoligical graphs of vpatches like this:

22:37:53 BingoBoingo: python is alf's favorite perl

22:38:13 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html

22:38:14 assbot: VPATCH_GRAPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp )

22:39:05 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i could see it

22:40:51 pete_dushenski: "Bitcoin Classic will not release anything but the 2MB hardfork patch until we have hard forked. We are focused on the hard fork." << what kind of sense is this supposed to make ? (via 'toomin' not 'j')

22:41:03 ben_vulpes: who cares

22:41:12 mod6: ^

22:41:17 pete_dushenski: finefine

22:41:46 ben_vulpes: seriously, vagrants publishing pamphlets in the far flung outskirts

22:42:10 ben_vulpes: of the suburbs of soi-disant cities in provinces nobody visits anyways

22:42:32 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372538 << "the only thing new in the world is the history you don't know yet" (tm) (r)

22:42:32 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:29:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371972 << ah so it was tried already, didn't catch on. alrighty then!

22:43:12 guruvan: I'm not too bad with python but zomg - perl is just....well. I can't believe a new version came out that for sure

22:43:41 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372540 << cxt is supah-bad-ass. problem is... it's $100k. there's no el cheapo entry-level spec for 1/3 price as in F-150, etc.

22:43:41 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:31:01; mircea_popescu: dude what a badass looking truck. how the fuck could the ammo churning, tailgate partying, truck racing subculture not buy this through the roof is well beyond me. but then again... i'll take the newton defense.

22:44:19 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: it's like reading the tabloids, lulz fodder, bat boy, etc.

22:44:50 pete_dushenski: call it entomology, call it popcorn entertainment, it's what it is

22:46:14 ben_vulpes: makes for low snr is what is does

22:46:30 ben_vulpes: it*

22:47:13 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372541 << /me remembers fondly a local "rubens to picasso" exhibit years and years ago, mostly for the t-shirt that i bought, which raised a few curious eyebrows with the less cultured kids who'd never heard of either painter

22:47:13 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:33:59; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371985 << the other consideration is that europe is chock full of bad copies of the classical masters. and they all suck, except the few that don't. such as for instance rubens, who learned to paint by doing a poor job of copying at first. or michelangelo, or anyone else. because yes, everyone that ever was a master painter learned his craft by trying h

22:47:31 mod6: guruvan: oh you mean a new version of perl? i see that 5.22 is going to come out.

22:48:07 mod6: but separately, the current version of v.pl is v99997, and i have a v99996 ready to go, just wanna accomplish a few other tasks first before i send it to the ML.

22:48:08 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: can you explain the rubens == mercedes connection ? not sure i quite got that point

22:48:10 guruvan: something like this - yes

22:48:30 mod6: i never thought perl 5 was bad, just v6.

22:49:26 mod6: well, theres a bunch of things that are bad.. like a lot of the cpan modules aren't maintained any more, etc. but if one stays away from the libs... *shrug*

22:49:28 guruvan: I always found it needlessly difficult - from the point of view of someone keeping volumes of code running - perl's a haddle

22:49:49 ben_vulpes: hey pete_dushenski you may be entertained to hear that my openbsd adventures have led me to download 10.6 and dd it onto a usb

22:50:23 mod6: guruvan: yah, maybe someone will create a nice implementation in something more sane and maintain it.

22:50:23 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372594 << i never said never. only that there are a lot of married women and far fewer who go for the ball gag. though i grant that "oh they all go for the ball gag" is possible, if an practically untestable hypothesis.

22:50:23 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 15:56:11; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372272 << is that so ?

22:50:25 ben_vulpes: because rEFInd does not work on the ancient mbp and the ready ways to get rEFIt onto the damned thing is to...install it from os x first.

22:50:37 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: neato

22:50:45 mod6: ben_vulpes's version in CL looks neat, but i can't even figure out how to run it since im a lisptard.

22:50:57 ben_vulpes: mod6: eh it probably doesn't work anyways

22:51:08 ben_vulpes: last i checked did not produce trees that matched yours

22:51:30 ben_vulpes: i have to redo its press algo to recurse up the parents chain

22:51:33 mod6: it doesn't have to be the ~exact~ tree mind you, just has to have the correct precedence levels

22:51:37 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: does crapple still sell 10.6 anywhere ?

22:52:05 ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it

22:52:12 ben_vulpes: what do you mean "precedence levels"

22:52:19 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: lolno

22:52:58 ben_vulpes: someone might figure out that nothing's gotten any better since then

22:53:12 ben_vulpes: heh relatedly i coerced my ipnohe into gothmode last night

22:53:19 ben_vulpes: monochrome + color inversion

22:53:27 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372610 << now you sound like stan from the 21/comcast thread ;/ "hashing is hard and we'll never see xx% difficulty resets again. who would want go to the bother ?!"

22:53:27 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 16:08:10; mircea_popescu: if it doesn't climb 1/3 in 9 months some people will make incredible bank

22:53:28 ben_vulpes: the effect is rather beautiful.

22:53:58 pete_dushenski: thread : http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/15/21-inc-and-comcast-sitting-in-a-tree-d-e-r-p-i-n-g/

22:54:00 assbot: 21 Inc. and Comcast sitting in a tree, d-e-r-p-i-n-g. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1UXWuAN )

22:54:13 mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs

22:54:14 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: where'd you get a copy of 10.6 ?

22:54:29 mod6: we discussed it in here, a bit of varience is fine.

22:54:35 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: "we'll give you a zillion dollars provided you spend it all designing and producing our next generation of home routers"?

22:54:45 *: pete_dushenski assumes osx 10.6 discs would be hard to come by

22:54:45 mod6: <+ben_vulpes> what do you mean "precedence levels" << as long as this is met. meaning that certain things come before other things.

22:55:00 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: weev's tracker

22:55:27 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: "and then you'll deploy all of said home routers to ~all~ customers within 6 months"

22:55:33 pete_dushenski: aha

22:55:53 BingoBoingo: makes for low snr is what is does << The classic lulz are worth watching just because the trigger might get pulled leading to the other triggers getting pulled. Peace in Our Time (TM)(R)

22:56:04 ben_vulpes: mod6: im still a bit unclear as to what "precedence levels" refers

22:56:07 mod6: for instance, in the flow ordering it doesn't really matter which comes first: maxint_locks_corrected or add_verifyall as long as they both come after their respective antecedents.

22:56:20 ben_vulpes: yes this i get

22:57:59 ben_vulpes: i think i understand what you're driving at

22:57:59 jurov: lol do i see right? luke wants to adopt monero approach?

22:58:08 BingoBoingo: for instance, in the flow ordering it doesn't really matter which comes first: maxint_locks_corrected or add_verifyall as long as they both come after their respective antecedents. << This threw me for a loop the first time.

22:58:29 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372921 << this needs to be bashed.

22:58:29 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 18:53:17; ascii_shmoocon: holy shit everything mircea ever said was true

22:58:49 BingoBoingo: jurov: Luke seems to be mocking that ClassicCoin wants to take the Monero approach and add reddit voting or some shit

22:58:50 mod6: you know, one thing that I did to ensure that my pressing of the tree was happening correctly was to press out a tree, then do a full `find . -xtype f -print0 | xargs -0 sha512sum > manifest` to see what the final hash of the source file was, then compare it to what we had before -- what we were patching by hand.

22:59:07 ben_vulpes: huh

22:59:56 mod6: basically checking the mechanics to ensure that the resulting output was the same. this gave me confidence that my toposort was functioning as it should.

23:00:49 mod6: actually...

23:00:57 mod6: i think i can say that i have automated tests now that even check this.

23:03:44 mod6: in the package that includes the cucumber tests, you'll find a scenario with tags '@27' and '@pressFlag' called "User executes V with the press flag" -- it then will press out a tree, then do exactly what I saying above ^

23:04:14 mod6: which to guruvan's delight, is also written in perl

23:04:16 *: mod6 runs

23:04:59 guruvan: as long as it's not js

23:05:06 mod6: in that v_steps.pl file, you'll see the sha256 hashes are kept in a here-doc so they can be repeatedly tested.

23:05:18 jurov: pete_dushenski: done

23:05:48 ben_vulpes: no node

23:05:50 ben_vulpes: please no node

23:06:00 ben_vulpes: punindented: please no js

23:06:24 mod6: my 0.00000002 was: hey, whatever floats your boat.

23:06:26 jurov: let's skip straight to cobol

23:06:31 BingoBoingo: ^

23:06:35 ben_vulpes: did we do the hundred and forty line node version of kill -9 yet?

23:06:41 ben_vulpes: https://github.com/robotlolita/fuck-you/blob/master/index.js

23:06:42 assbot: fuck-you/index.js at master · robotlolita/fuck-you · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdZN7M )

23:06:42 BingoBoingo: cobol, the language of bzns

23:06:50 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372972 << in this world (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372966), driving a car would be more akin to flying on a plane in the 1920s. eg. http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2699/4411312464_e0e3489c45_o.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3728/11356192895_6961403e9f_b.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2636/4131214531_e8206d265d_b.jpg

23:06:50 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:41:29; jurov: how would a tiny group of people cover the costs for mining and roads with smooth surface necessary?

23:06:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdZNEA )

23:06:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdZNEC )

23:06:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdZNEE )

23:07:15 ben_vulpes: which...https://github.com/robotlolita/fuck-you/blob/master/index.js#L79

23:07:27 mod6: i mean, we might never give a 'js' implementation the /blessing/ but if someone wants to work on that for themselves or whatever, cool with me.

23:07:49 pete_dushenski: ^berlin airport completed in 1927, when commercial air travel was far from accessible. and still, infrastructure was built ! whaddyaknow !

23:07:52 mod6: that being said, i have TONS of work to do if anyone wants to do something different thats directly useful.

23:08:03 ben_vulpes: i do not buy this "they're all turing complete, so what's the aggro?" line.

23:08:13 jurov: pete_dushenski: that calls for ugly all-terrain steam (cuz no uniquitous gasoline) contraption

23:08:20 jurov: *ubiquitous

23:08:29 ben_vulpes: far better to be useful helping mod6 than to waste time like me on deadlang impls that don't even work

23:08:47 pete_dushenski: jurov: gasoline isn't ubiquitous enough ?

23:09:11 jurov: pete_dushenski: in the hypothetical 15k world

23:09:13 pete_dushenski: and all-terrain ? sure. ugly ? THE CXT IS BEAUTIFUL

23:09:37 pete_dushenski: jurov: in 15k world, gasoline still has other uses

23:09:58 pete_dushenski: the gasoline infrastructure that exists also has no reason to go anywhere as long as there's a market to support it

23:10:05 jurov: yes, it does. but it does not come out of tap every 20km

23:10:21 pete_dushenski: doesn't need to

23:10:47 pete_dushenski: oil products have a proven track record of transporting quite efficiently

23:10:55 pete_dushenski: storage is also quite manageable

23:11:01 pete_dushenski: and cost-effective

23:14:09 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372994 << this is readily disproven by the markets for tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris. none of which "need" the mass market. so even if these manufacturers might sell some swag to the plebes and make a dime doing it, they arguably innovated more before they reduced themselves to part-time sheep herding..

23:14:09 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:49:05; jurov: the 15k people with means will pay for a computer or a car only if they foresee a possibility to recoup it from the chumps later

23:14:46 BingoBoingo: car works fine on moderately shittier road if built body on frame like truck.

23:15:08 ben_vulpes: this is actually my greatest lament about the corvette

23:15:09 pete_dushenski: totally

23:15:26 ben_vulpes: 'twas built for glass-smooth late seventies roads.

23:15:50 pete_dushenski: i'll let you in on a sports car industry secret : they all are

23:16:05 ben_vulpes: i can hear the damn thing depreciating just driving around town.

23:16:27 ben_vulpes: lovely highway driver, though.

23:16:30 jurov: tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris vastly benefit from mass production infrastructure

23:17:03 pete_dushenski: the nissans, the mazdas, the porsches, the lambos... all need perfect roads. this is exactly why all these "sports car" firms are ~tripping~ over themselves to makes SUVs (aston martin, bentley, lambo, etc. etc. vomit etc.)

23:17:20 pete_dushenski: jurov: in what way ?

23:18:16 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: sports cars generally suck in town at the best of times. fine for pulling up to restaurant and looking sharp, but everything else sucks until you're on the wide open road

23:19:13 jurov: pete_dushenski: established production lines for all the materials, metal alloys, glass, rubber, plastic composites

23:19:49 jurov: and electronics

23:19:57 pete_dushenski: this improves reliability, yes.

23:20:36 pete_dushenski: but these firms can't share too too many components with others (lessers) or else their customers will be ticked off

23:21:10 pete_dushenski: you better have a unique turn signal stalk in your 599 gtb. or else.

23:21:11 jurov: but i was talking about materials (and machinery)

23:21:40 ben_vulpes: http://news.mit.edu/2016/nanophotonic-incandescent-light-bulbs-0111 << luminous efficiency is a reprehensible scam

23:21:40 assbot: A nanophotonic comeback for incandescent bulbs? | MIT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qe0VrP )

23:21:55 jurov: imagine in addition of unique components, having to orchestrate dedicated supplies of material

23:22:03 pete_dushenski: jurov: hm still not sure i see it. a lot of the high-end firms are having custom materials made too.

23:22:16 pete_dushenski: jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-01-2016#1371265

23:22:16 assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 16:17:36; pete_dushenski: pagani even has proprietary titanium-reinforced carbon fibre. very nifty.

23:22:34 jurov: well, and how does it dosprove my point?

23:22:36 pete_dushenski: ^not off the shelf, not shared with anyone.

23:22:41 jurov: i did not say ALL materials

23:23:01 pete_dushenski: "all the materials" <<

23:23:23 jurov: sigh. okay let burn me on sigle word

23:23:37 pete_dushenski: that's all it takes ;)

23:23:54 jurov: they do use majority of stuff off the shelf from reliable suppliers, and these suppliers rely on stable overall volume in mass market

23:24:32 pete_dushenski: and without those mass-market suppliers, they'd still use suppliers, just ones that catered to a smaller market

23:24:50 punkman: /me wonders how much a small steel mill costs

23:25:19 jurov: well, say titanium mine used for specialized stuff runs out and new one has to be developed. who pays for this?

23:25:27 pete_dushenski: jurov: i don't deny that there might be engineering solutions transferred within there larger firms, but it tends to be a trickle down from the high-performance customers to the low, not the other way around

23:25:51 ben_vulpes: hard to make a small steel mill. the things tend to be huge and dominate the area or go out of business.

23:25:55 pete_dushenski: jurov: titanium company pays for this

23:26:05 pete_dushenski: and if they can't, supplier finds a new one.

23:26:06 jurov: but they have small volume

23:26:22 jurov: it will lead to disruption in any case

23:26:25 ben_vulpes: even $robofab i worked for one time had their castings done by a casting company.

23:26:26 pete_dushenski: so that titanium company goes bust

23:26:37 pete_dushenski: new one takes its place, maybe this takes time, maybe not

23:27:13 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: hard to make a small steel mill ? yes. impossible ? no.

23:27:20 jurov: well, i don't see the "trickle down" as optional

23:28:07 jurov: you can't have custom "special" "high performance" whole supply line from mine up to the product

23:28:18 pete_dushenski: that's the whole point. some things might be "easier" with mass market consumers in the picture, but there are costs to this ease. arguably, excessive costs. and costs that would readily be borne if the mass market went byebye

23:28:56 pete_dushenski: jurov: sure you can. of course you can.

23:29:38 pete_dushenski: you think the king henry v's crown benefitted from mass market ruby mining ?

23:29:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00051247 = 4.3047 BTC [-] {2}

23:29:52 jurov: "of course you can" - at this point i sent mircea_popescu to grow si monocrystals and use hf

23:30:02 punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/23/business/the-rise-of-mini-steel-mills.html

23:30:04 assbot: THE RISE OF MINI-STEEL MILLS - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qe1IZR )

23:31:26 pete_dushenski: jurov: aha. well, manufacturers still made computers before everyone had a desktop in their home, and so too can they once "everyone" has nothing more than phablets.

23:31:37 pete_dushenski: punkman: nice find.

23:31:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3570 @ 0.00051815 = 1.8498 BTC [+]

23:31:49 pete_dushenski: golden oldie.

23:32:21 pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y2z3R_xAyz4/Vpm37QlC7EI/AAAAAAAAkNY/ZdErfw38yvs/s640/ra7MzGf.jpg

23:32:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wivjln )

23:33:17 pete_dushenski: ^Myasishchev VM-T Atlant NATO Code: Bison

23:33:35 ben_vulpes: steel mill doesn't make sense to operate unless operated continually, no small-batch fabber is going to do so.

23:33:45 ben_vulpes: plus costs of molds, does it cast? forge? roll?

23:34:26 jurov: pete_dushenski: why would a person pay for such an one-of-a-few computer?

23:35:33 pete_dushenski: because it's useful ? because it's unique ? because fuck you (not you, but "you") ?

23:35:34 punkman: "In 2007, Nucor recycled nearly 10 million cars in its production processes, the equivalent of one SUV every four seconds."

23:36:07 jurov: and would be the computer even feasible when only anough vacuum tubes/xsistors will be developed only for top 15k to have radio receiver?

23:36:52 ben_vulpes: so they're a glorified waste-processing plant.

23:37:22 pete_dushenski: jurov: they were when computers filled the basements of university buildings, and there were only dozens or hundreds then. so again, why not ?

23:37:46 jurov: because there were mass produced relays/tubes/transistors available

23:37:52 ben_vulpes: > t bars

23:37:56 ben_vulpes: mk.

23:38:04 ben_vulpes: literal bottom feeders.

23:39:46 jurov: for example babbage did not have the elements and had to develop precision machinery himself, what contributed to his failure

23:39:57 pete_dushenski: jurov: so it's the gasoline thing again.

23:40:50 jurov: for the gasoline the difference in availability does not cause big problem. but as the tech stack up, the effect multiplies

23:40:58 punkman: sounds like http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.html

23:40:59 assbot: Read, I, Pencil | Library of Economics and Liberty ... ( http://bit.ly/1WiwdP2 )

23:43:17 punkman: also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014808 and yes I'd rather live in 10billion than 10million world

23:43:17 assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 11:47:29; punkman: re: 10m people, what kind of world can you run on that considering current complexity?

23:43:23 pete_dushenski: punkman: classic

23:45:41 jurov: *shrug* i can understand, the world is overcrowded, it's tempting to dream of putting stupid people "to their place". whether that comes to pass, i doubt.

23:45:44 pete_dushenski: jurov: i can see it. and while i agree there would be trade-offs (less reliability, more difficulty find parts perhaps), i think that the benefits would more than compensate and that product designers would adapt themselves accordingly (eg. making repairs possible without specialised equipment and using more readily available parts)

23:48:06 pete_dushenski: with the amount of fiat sloshing around, it's hard to imagine this niche-or-nothing/15k-only approach coming to dominate industries and manufacturing sectors any time soon, but the thermodynamics do point to this as a far more (whisper it) sustainable solution

23:48:09 jurov: funny that communism actually achieved this.

23:48:25 jurov: you could fix "skoda 120" at home with a pit and basic tools

23:48:35 BingoBoingo: related http://www.theonion.com/article/area-dog-will-never-live-up-to-dog-on-purina-bag-1755

23:48:36 assbot: Area Dog Will Never Live Up To Dog On Purina Bag - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qe3gD7 )

23:48:36 pete_dushenski: nothing lasts forever. not even communism.

23:48:43 jurov: so not at all hard to imagine.

23:49:08 jurov: what is hard to imagine, how to achieve this together with profit as a motive

23:49:53 pete_dushenski: aha. that's where the "the future isn't hyper-capitalism, it's feudalism" thread comes in.

23:50:25 jurov: and my reply was that dependence is best strategy

23:50:40 jurov: so not really feudalism, but one schelling point

23:50:45 jurov: one ruler

23:50:49 pete_dushenski: within feudalism, of course profit is still ~a~ motive, but it's not the only (not can it really ever be)

23:51:32 pete_dushenski: jurov: seems impractical for one ruler to manage that much complexity

23:51:43 jurov: feudalism in the past was decentralised only because of distances and communication problems

23:52:00 jurov: pete_dushenski: of course he will delegate

23:52:09 jurov: but then it's hierarchy

23:52:17 pete_dushenski: aha. dunbar number

23:53:06 jurov: people always try to overstep dunbar number

23:53:11 jurov: what's to stop them?

23:53:22 pete_dushenski: biology, time.

23:53:53 pete_dushenski: still, while communication has obviously flattened the world, and geography matters not on the internet, distance still matters for supplies, food, equipment, etc

23:54:43 pete_dushenski: so having geographic divisions still makes sense, even across cultural lines if people can't be persuaded to get along via market forces

23:54:57 jurov: pls explain that to every russian ruler in past 200 years

23:55:21 pete_dushenski: which part ?

23:55:34 jurov: "distance still matters for supplies, food, equipment, etc"

23:55:52 jurov: by your theory vladivostok should be self governed, or by japan

23:56:36 jurov: nope. what can expand, it does. beyond supplies, food, equipment,.. etc limits

23:56:52 pete_dushenski: i honestly have no idea how much autonomy vladivostok has.

23:56:53 jurov: and these limits went way bigger recently

23:57:46 pete_dushenski: cancers expands ad infinitum too. until the host dies and the worms move in.

23:58:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9610 @ 0.00051976 = 4.9949 BTC [+] {4}

23:59:02 jurov: so?

23:59:26 pete_dushenski: so a snapshot in time tells us nothing