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00:00:18 deanclkclk: @ davout ^

00:00:40 davout: yeah, i got that the first time

00:00:44 davout: :-)

00:00:48 deanclkclk: ok

00:00:58 mircea_popescu: O RLY? YA RLY <code block> NO WAI <code block> OIC

00:00:59 deanclkclk: why isn't it interesting?

00:01:01 mircea_popescu: ok this is pretty good :D

00:01:30 Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: when is the MPOEbot coming back? And when will pending deposits be credited?

00:01:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00087433 = 4.2405 BTC [-]

00:01:57 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder the bot just as soon as it manages to talk to bitcoincharts

00:02:00 deanclkclk: @ davout ^

00:02:08 mircea_popescu: and deposits just as soon as lemme see

00:02:15 davout: deanclkclk: because you reinvented market orders, except you have the currency amount you're spending locked, not the currency you're buying

00:02:23 Bugpowder: been waiting for a test deposit for 36 hours....

00:02:43 davout: bitstamp already does it

00:03:37 davout: deanclkclk: so no, it's not a very interesting idea, not a bad way to let users place orders but still

00:03:38 deanclkclk: you are a trader davout ?

00:04:07 mircea_popescu: incredible how thick this guy is lmao

00:04:11 davout: goodbye deanclkclk, i'm going to play

00:04:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty lulzy.

00:04:24 deanclkclk: davout: it benefits the seller and buyer. I was talking from mostly from the buyer

00:04:25 deanclkclk: ok

00:04:59 Bugpowder: I like the cryptsy system of, whatever bid you place that is over market, you get filled at asks at that exact price.

00:05:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. Who really wants to use their acquaintance Brian in that way at all. Everyone knows their Brian will just flag everything as a scam and tell them to STFU n00b.

00:05:39 mircea_popescu: clearly evil brian.

00:05:49 Duffer1: cryptsy system of trading, make trade, it executes a few hours later

00:05:59 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder why ?

00:06:20 deanclkclk: Duffer1: u mean everything gets execute late?

00:06:35 Bugpowder: you know... place asks and bids way off market at round numbers, get favorably filled at random intervals in the future.

00:06:40 Duffer1: it was a joke, cryptsy is a joke ^.^

00:07:11 mircea_popescu: sounds artistic.

00:07:17 mircea_popescu: like you know, trade as a happening.

00:08:08 BingoBoingo: I'm wondering when other ATC people are coming over to Apocalyptic's exchange.

00:08:53 BingoBoingo: Or... are we all waiting for Openex withdrawals

00:09:05 benkay: openex scam

00:09:10 benkay: use your brian BingoBoingo

00:09:14 Apocalyptic: first ATC deposits will confirm in a couple of hours given the network rate, no much action to be expected until then

00:09:16 Bugpowder: heheh

00:09:17 Apocalyptic: benkay, indeed

00:10:03 BingoBoingo: benkay: They have processed withdrawals before, it just usually takes 12 hours or so. Now, their order matching... totally scam.

00:10:11 mircea_popescu: yeah even on the internets ppl need a little time

00:10:47 Apocalyptic: it seems deanclkclk took his idea over to -otc now

00:12:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00087723 = 24.2115 BTC [+] {4}

00:13:10 Duffer1: i wonder how many times he's been offered super cheap ltc

00:13:36 mircea_popescu: prolly a much better environment for him anwyay.

00:14:01 davout: deanclkclk: what people are trying to tell you is that your idea is not retarded, but that it does not constitute an original value proposition

00:14:30 benkay: you guys you guys you guys

00:14:32 benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ_JOBCLF-I

00:14:39 benkay: THAT IS EVERYONE IN BITCOIN

00:14:49 benkay: especially deanclkclk

00:14:58 benkay: plus also the animations are pretty sweet

00:17:14 mircea_popescu: omfg the derpage.

00:18:41 benkay: did i just get mircea_popescu to watch a video?

00:19:12 mircea_popescu: indirectly but yet.

00:19:14 mircea_popescu: yes*

00:19:24 benkay: indirectly?

00:19:25 mircea_popescu: someone must be punished for this.

00:19:52 benkay: it's his fault.

00:21:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00087806 = 8.3416 BTC [+] {2}

00:23:42 BingoBoingo: Looks like Openex just processed a batch of withdrawls. Once these things confirm it will be time to shoot them over to x-bt

00:27:25 Apocalyptic: .d

00:27:50 Apocalyptic: damn you ozbot

00:27:57 BingoBoingo: ;;diff

00:27:58 gribble: 2.6214044530646152E9

00:28:14 asciilifeform: ;;gpg eauth asciilifeform

00:28:15 gribble: Request successful for user asciilifeform, hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-96-241-145-71.washdc.fios.verizon.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B98228A001ABFFC7

00:29:02 asciilifeform: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1b013f0cf4604b0b39eee440b7280e1eb97c6aab5d299814ffc31393

00:29:02 gribble: You are now authenticated for user asciilifeform with key B98228A001ABFFC7

00:29:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in a world where every "idea" is in fact chewed and spit and chewed so many times by so many generations by now all that's left is the spit itself << not quite.

00:30:01 asciilifeform: fundamental ideas are still possible.

00:30:09 mircea_popescu: like for instance.

00:30:17 asciilifeform: i have so little faith in the meta-nsa that i'll drop one here.

00:30:27 mircea_popescu: can be historical

00:30:32 mircea_popescu: doesn't have to be curren

00:30:33 mircea_popescu: t

00:31:00 asciilifeform: 2 yrs. ago i figured out how to flex a fairly ordinary multi-conductor cable in an arbitrary spot, at an arbitrary angle, purely electrically.

00:31:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05500028 = 1.1 BTC [-] {3}

00:31:48 asciilifeform: this alone should be enough detail for any 'alert reader' to replicate...

00:32:40 mircea_popescu: and this is fundamental ?

00:33:08 asciilifeform: depends on your definition of fundamental. robotics without motors, gears, shafts, lubrication...

00:33:27 asciilifeform: if 'fundamental' means 'discover new field of mathematics', then clearly not.

00:33:51 mircea_popescu: well given what you were replying to i took fundamental to mean "which was never afore thought"

00:34:10 asciilifeform: i did try to find some prior art, of some kind. found none.

00:34:29 asciilifeform: i post this turd here, to challenge the 1,000 idlers listening to us, to do so.

00:34:39 asciilifeform: i'd dearly love for it to be found. so i'm not stuck building the damn thing.

00:35:31 asciilifeform: hint: waveguide allowed to deform.

00:36:14 asciilifeform: as far as i could tell, the last fellow who pondered a related question was mr. t, when he coughed up the ac motor.

00:36:17 mircea_popescu: seems to me about half the 12-yo-boy demographic cartoons out there use this concept.

00:36:30 mircea_popescu: understand, my approach was cultural not technical.

00:36:30 asciilifeform: ?

00:36:53 asciilifeform: every animated robot i know of shows robotic arms with joints

00:37:47 asciilifeform: rather than walking coax.

00:38:02 mircea_popescu: i just googled "robot cartoon"

00:38:12 asciilifeform: (well, triax.)

00:38:13 mircea_popescu: the 7 images at the top include 0 articulated arms

00:38:18 mircea_popescu: all are some sort of tube

00:40:18 asciilifeform: they still typically show at least vaguely jointed movement.

00:40:32 asciilifeform: though perhaps an aficionado of tentacle porn could cough up a counter-example.

00:41:22 mircea_popescu: now, obviously the fact that star-trek revolves around ipads does exactly nothing in a discussion of prior ipad art

00:41:31 mircea_popescu: but it was this rather than that angle i was pursuing.

00:42:32 asciilifeform: so, boolean algebra. fundamental? or, aristotle?

00:42:41 asciilifeform: (that is, or not, given the latter)

00:43:35 mircea_popescu: right.

00:43:42 asciilifeform: semiconductor?

00:43:51 mircea_popescu: the cellphone is a trivial greek trinket. they didn't know how to make it, but they did have them in their speech

00:43:58 mircea_popescu: semiconductor is fundamental perhaps.

00:44:04 asciilifeform: public key crypto?

00:44:20 mircea_popescu: certainly the strange behaviours of quantum that manifest at a macro level, from magnetism to histerezis, would perhaps count.

00:44:25 asciilifeform: i tend to think of 'fundamental' in the literal sense. that is, becomes a foundation for a recognizably novel class of things

00:44:33 mircea_popescu: pkc definitely not.

00:44:44 mircea_popescu: yeah but novel in what sense.

00:44:55 mircea_popescu: novel as in "never made before" or novel as in "never spoken of before" ?

00:45:08 asciilifeform: novel in the classic sense of transforming a 'mystery' into a mere 'problem'.

00:45:24 mircea_popescu: right. but still, people spoke of the mystery back when it was not yet a problem

00:46:25 mircea_popescu: would you say the people trying to disprove (or for that matter prove) ZFC are or are not included ?

00:46:38 asciilifeform: can only be said in retrospect.

00:46:38 mircea_popescu: does only the speech of whoever gets the result count ?

00:46:51 mircea_popescu: right. which is what invalidates (from a purely philosophical pov) the approach

00:47:00 Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: ty... Hoping to see MPOEbot make a triumphant return soon.

00:47:15 asciilifeform: true. the turd i threw in is not 'fundamental invention', unless it is 10 yrs. later.

00:47:59 asciilifeform: (and the stepper motor and ball screw go to the junkyard)

00:49:08 asciilifeform: (picture, say, street swept by long spool of wire with a broom on one end and a lunchbox-sized driver on the other.)

00:50:06 asciilifeform: every day i wake up and wonder how many other folks are sitting on crap like this

00:50:10 asciilifeform: because there's no place for it.

00:50:34 ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> mircea_popescu: ty... Hoping to see MPOEbot make a triumphant return soon. /// unlikely til Gox reopens wd's

00:50:42 mircea_popescu: why ?

00:51:01 ThickAsThieves: cuz i assume bot is off cuz risk

00:51:07 Bugpowder: as do i

00:51:18 mircea_popescu: no, srsly, it actually did not get prices.

00:51:22 Bugpowder: shorting puts right now would be sweet

00:51:24 mircea_popescu: last it quoted was sometime yest.

00:51:34 ThickAsThieves: where do you get prices?

00:51:47 Bugpowder: though shorting puts yesterday would have been sweeter.

00:52:01 ThickAsThieves: http://api.bitcoincharts.com/v1/weighted_prices.json

00:52:05 ThickAsThieves: works for me

00:52:07 mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/faq.html#25 same place.

00:52:13 mircea_popescu: yes but it has to answer when the bot asks

00:52:28 Bugpowder: ;;bc,24hprc

00:52:28 gribble: 463.40

00:52:36 ThickAsThieves: ok

00:53:02 ThickAsThieves: bot asks like every 10min no?

00:53:32 mircea_popescu: i think there may be a cascading effect where if it misses one it asks too often and then it gets banned for an interval

00:53:36 mircea_popescu: but i was never able to troubleshoot it

00:54:57 mircea_popescu: how would it have been sweet yest anyway ? seem sthe price dropped.

00:54:58 asciilifeform: unrelated: neat find, from today's trip to library, for all crypto aficionados: 'Post-Quantum Cryptography.' Bernstein, Buchmann & Dahmen. (2009)

00:55:21 ThickAsThieves: i dont plan on buying any, i just think it's weird how this happens every "crash"

00:55:37 mircea_popescu: does it tho ?

00:55:53 asciilifeform: (anyone playing with mceliece and the like will find something delicious therein)

00:55:54 ThickAsThieves: at least 2 of the 3 ive seen

00:56:01 ThickAsThieves: i dont recall abnout the 1200 drop

00:56:13 mircea_popescu: yeah well in this process any data can be fit to any hypothesis.

00:56:33 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, you're into crypto ?

00:56:38 ThickAsThieves: mpex would certainly look better to be working than not

00:56:53 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: just so happens i'm into a number of things.

00:56:58 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no particular requirement one can't just trade as is you know ?

00:57:27 ThickAsThieves: not sure what you are saying

00:57:55 Apocalyptic: I wrote some crypto challenges a couple of years ago, involving breaking hash functions and differential crypto, they might interest you

00:58:01 mircea_popescu: i am saying that mpex allows people to trade whether the bot quotes or doesn't quote,

00:58:14 ThickAsThieves: we're talking about the bot

00:58:20 mircea_popescu: and that the bot is a private offering which is in principle not required to offer anyone any convenience other than its backers.

00:58:31 mircea_popescu: so it can't possibly a) look good or bad b) make mpex anything.

00:58:40 benkay: people can't price options on their own, though mircea. that competence thing.

00:58:41 ThickAsThieves: to you maybe

00:59:12 mircea_popescu: well to logix

00:59:39 ThickAsThieves: why not fix it?

00:59:39 benkay: it's not making any money for mpex shareholders not trading!

01:00:06 ThickAsThieves: ^ decent argument as well

01:00:08 mircea_popescu: cuz it's a fucking hassle to fiddle with its feed, it being hardened ;/

01:00:29 benkay: ThickAsThieves that sounds like a call for a subscription market service.

01:00:35 ThickAsThieves: sound slike something karpeles would say

01:00:50 mircea_popescu: but yeah, quoting outages are temporary, people (who don't generally trade) like to bitch/find conspiraci explanations for otherwise random events.

01:00:59 mircea_popescu: which you know, how much effort can i expend chasing.

01:01:58 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves dude wtf are you talking about srsly. what is the connection there ?

01:02:10 asciilifeform: a hilarious find, from the same trip: http://imgur.com/6JhjQeY

01:02:27 ThickAsThieves: saying it's a hassle to fix a broken service?

01:02:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06099997 = 0.61 BTC [+] {2}

01:02:59 mircea_popescu: i think you misrepresent a convenience for a right.

01:03:03 asciilifeform: i was not able to locate the ditch filled with the non-functioning students.

01:03:08 asciilifeform: but i admit i did not look very hard.

01:03:22 benkay: all in their bedrooms

01:03:30 mircea_popescu: the bot doesn't have to quote any more than you do. where's your quote on options ?

01:03:30 benkay: ruminating on the future of los estados unidos

01:03:37 mircea_popescu: have you fixed this broken service ?

01:03:46 ThickAsThieves: no one has to do anything

01:03:54 ThickAsThieves: let's just all go home

01:03:54 benkay: also wtf terp asciilifeform?

01:04:08 asciilifeform: turtle is the symbol of the uni. for some reason.

01:04:26 mircea_popescu: no but srsly.

01:04:28 benkay: yeah but - 'terp'?

01:04:36 asciilifeform: terrapin turtle

01:04:41 ThickAsThieves: is there any logging of mpexbot uptime?

01:04:47 ThickAsThieves: optionsbot

01:04:51 asciilifeform: about palm-sized.

01:04:52 ThickAsThieves: not sure what you name it

01:04:55 mircea_popescu: not that i know, but i suppose it's becoming more useful.

01:04:55 Apocalyptic: benkay, a mix between turtle and derp

01:05:13 benkay: all terps are henceforth confined to their quarters

01:05:24 benkay: ritual canings will be administered until moral improves.

01:05:27 asciilifeform: there is a statue on the campus, car-sized, so many of the locals think it must be a gigantic sea-turtle.

01:05:29 ThickAsThieves: i guess no one cares but Bugpowder anyway

01:05:29 benkay: morale*

01:05:36 ThickAsThieves: i still think it's lame

01:05:42 benkay: i care where's my damn options bot profit

01:05:49 mircea_popescu: so make a watcher and do some research.

01:05:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00087866 = 24.1632 BTC [+] {4}

01:06:12 benkay: i don't really much care in the grand scheme of things but its a point what needs making.

01:06:13 Bugpowder: I have a history of crushing MPOEbot. I think MP fears my awesome trading powers and has pulled the bot.

01:06:33 benkay: lol yeah he saw you fiddling with your key again and pulled the bot

01:06:36 ThickAsThieves: it did happen whilst you were sorting out your key!

01:06:42 Bugpowder: EXACTLY

01:06:45 mircea_popescu: clearly!

01:06:56 ThickAsThieves: observably!

01:06:57 Bugpowder: ALSO HE DELAYED DEPOSIT FLUSHING

01:07:06 Bugpowder: DOUBLEY SAFE

01:07:08 benkay: teh horreur

01:07:14 mircea_popescu: no that was because of satoshi malleability.

01:07:24 asciilifeform: the turtle statue traditionally gets 'offerings' during exam week. this year, more whiskey bottles and handmade bongs than ever before.

01:07:25 mircea_popescu: we had to check all satoshis for cubeness

01:07:27 mircea_popescu: by hand

01:07:30 mircea_popescu: one at a time

01:07:30 benkay: malleability options next?

01:07:43 Bugpowder: heh

01:07:48 Bugpowder: to manipulatable

01:07:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00296999 = 0.1574 BTC [+]

01:08:00 benkay: well yeah

01:09:38 davout: "we had to check all satoshis for cubeness" <<< win

01:10:35 Bugpowder: I imagine the feed will start working around the same time gox gets dropped from bitcoincharts, and the artificial price jump risk will have been eliminated

01:10:40 mircea_popescu: with all the bitching,

01:10:42 mircea_popescu: 13924429xx ; 13924424xx ; 13924419xx ; 13924414xx ; 13924408xx ; 13924408xx ; 13924408xx ; 13924403xx ; 13924403xx ; 13923763xx ; 13923724xx ; 13923716xx

01:10:48 mircea_popescu: that's the past 12 times it quoted

01:10:59 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder srsly, mtgox is not even in the feed of bitcoincharts, since days ago.

01:11:07 mircea_popescu: it has exactly 0 impact in all this discussion.

01:11:11 ThickAsThieves: yes it is

01:11:15 mircea_popescu: mnope.

01:11:16 Bugpowder: it is

01:11:30 Bugpowder: how do they get $465 / BTC

01:11:34 Bugpowder: without it.

01:11:38 Bugpowder: IMPOSSIBURU

01:11:53 ThickAsThieves: you even noted yourself yesterday

01:11:57 ThickAsThieves: that it factors euro

01:12:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 439 @ 0.00296999 = 1.3038 BTC [+] {2}

01:12:04 ThickAsThieves: goxprice

01:12:16 mircea_popescu: o wow look at that.

01:12:21 mircea_popescu: well this is definite bs.

01:12:56 mircea_popescu: but but but wtf, soimehow my bot sees 500ish avgs

01:13:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00296999 = 0.2257 BTC [+]

01:13:09 ThickAsThieves: i thgought it couldnt see?

01:13:21 mircea_popescu: 537 last

01:13:34 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i just gave you above a list of last times it quoted!

01:13:43 pankkake: Updated http://assass.headfucking.net/ : better CSS(!), strip weird fraudsters feed stuff, links to foaf/opml so you can import the list into your own reader. and this is genius: http://intertwingly.net/code/venus/docs/filters.html

01:14:00 ThickAsThieves: how do i read that list?

01:14:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 392 @ 0.00296998 = 1.1642 BTC [-] {2}

01:14:15 mircea_popescu: unixtime

01:14:30 Bugpowder: I just want to short 50 DITM puts. A pittance.

01:14:34 Bugpowder: come back MPOEbot

01:14:37 Bugpowder: come back

01:14:44 Bugpowder: I miss u

01:15:02 mircea_popescu: dude did bitcoincharts split the feeds or something wtf is going on here.

01:15:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00297 = 0.1188 BTC [+]

01:15:19 Bugpowder: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/currencies/

01:15:20 ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets

01:15:29 Bugpowder: what feed are you looking at?

01:15:37 davout: mircea_popescu: if they removed gox from the index it'll probably still be taking into account data from before the removal

01:16:15 Bugpowder: 24hr bor

01:16:17 Bugpowder: bro

01:16:49 davout: Bugpowder: if it's the 24avg and it's been more than 24h then yes I guess sthg is off

01:17:10 ThickAsThieves: i dont think they removed gox

01:17:15 ThickAsThieves: and i doubt they will

01:17:24 davout: this ^

01:17:53 Bugpowder: I don't see why they should.

01:18:08 Bugpowder: They aren't making financial decisions based on their quote

01:18:17 mircea_popescu: sooooo

01:18:34 Bugpowder: though a nefarious agent could potentially take an options position and bribe them to remove it for assured profit.

01:18:42 mircea_popescu: turns out bugpowder is exactly right. bot actually isn't quoting because feeds disagree not because it couldn't get them.

01:18:59 mircea_popescu: i was wrong o.o

01:19:11 benkay: !b2

01:19:27 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1624396/plain/)

01:19:27 ThickAsThieves: !b 3

01:19:27 benkay: foar history.

01:19:38 Bugpowder: lol

01:19:53 mircea_popescu: well fuck me am i supposed to know all this code these people write all the time everywhere omfgbbq

01:20:02 kakobrekla: i take bribes not to publish that.

01:20:06 Apocalyptic: heh

01:20:08 ThickAsThieves: lol

01:20:19 ThickAsThieves: we do it cuz we love you mp

01:20:24 Bugpowder: You should get the line before it too.

01:20:36 Bugpowder: A prediction of the future

01:20:52 Bugpowder: Feb 27, 2014.

01:20:56 benkay: mircea_popescu's having software trubbles

01:21:03 benkay: lol prole problems

01:21:06 davout: 2015 -> "intern accidentally deletes mpex"

01:21:07 benkay: proleblems

01:21:23 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1624399/plain/)

01:21:23 benkay: !b 1

01:21:28 mircea_popescu: benkay the sad part of this of course being that this is actually according to spec i wrote myself.

01:21:47 benkay: wow the spec didn't account for all edge cases

01:21:48 mircea_popescu: at a time long ago when nobody had heard of such a case or imagined it likely.

01:21:53 benkay: color my ass surprised

01:21:54 mircea_popescu: no, that's the problem : it did.

01:22:03 mircea_popescu: it accounted for cases i duly forgot about and then happened

01:22:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700005 = 0.335 BTC [+]

01:22:14 benkay: oh well then

01:22:21 benkay: mp wrote a spec that performs

01:22:29 benkay: color my ass surprised?

01:22:56 benkay: just joshin ya boss

01:23:30 mircea_popescu: anyway, mpoebot isn't quoting because the derivation among exchanges is too large, and likely won't until this is resolved somehow.

01:23:50 kakobrekla: why was the last quote 13923716xx then

01:24:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700005 = 0.335 BTC [+]

01:24:22 Bugpowder: That seems more plausible

01:25:10 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because then somehow (?!) the bitcoincharts avg came out as 537

01:25:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 564 @ 0.00023993 = 0.1353 BTC [-] {4}

01:25:19 mircea_popescu: which i still have no idea how

01:25:22 Bugpowder: mircea_popescu taps his keyboard of +3 plausibility.

01:25:23 kakobrekla: arite.

01:25:56 mircea_popescu: anyway ppls thanks for bringing it up lol.

01:26:16 mircea_popescu: by being in -assets i get the chance to learn how mpoebot etc actually work.

01:26:36 mircea_popescu: of course...this opnes up a fucking conundrum from hell,

01:26:58 mircea_popescu: because i am currently carrying a shitton of puts, which i would contractually be allowed to execute at the 430 bs bitcoincharts price

01:27:46 benkay: ;;ticker --market btcavg

01:27:47 gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 652.46, Best ask: 654.28, Bid-ask spread: 1.82000, Last trade: 654.25, 24 hour volume: 39430.17, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 647.65

01:28:34 mircea_popescu: hmm i wonder where that's from.

01:28:43 mircea_popescu: nanotube where does gribble get ;;ticker --market btcavg data from ?

01:29:05 TomServo: I'd guess https://bitcoinaverage.com/#USD

01:29:06 Bugpowder: EXERCISE THAT SHIT

01:29:20 TomServo: Not sure why that's not the default tbh

01:29:26 nanotube: mircea_popescu: bitcoinaverage.com

01:29:31 mircea_popescu: a ty.

01:29:51 mircea_popescu: TomServo who runs it ? do you know ?

01:29:56 Bugpowder: It's 23,000BTC worth

01:30:01 Bugpowder: EXERCISE

01:30:06 Bugpowder: MAKE DAT MONEY

01:30:14 TomServo: mircea_popescu: I don't, sorry.

01:30:20 Bugpowder: 12,000BTC PROFIT

01:30:20 nanotube: mircea_popescu: bitnumus

01:30:27 mircea_popescu: aha.

01:32:35 nanotube: mircea_popescu: bitcoincharts average got messed up one day, because anx.hk accidentally pushed dogecoin trade data in place of bitcoin - thus producing high volume at really low price, and screwing things up.

01:32:56 mircea_popescu: nanotube was that day like feb 14th ?

01:33:03 nanotube: i think charts has removed anx.hk for the moment

01:33:09 nanotube: erhm... let me see

01:33:31 benkay: #bitcoin-assets

01:33:36 nanotube: nope, that event was on feb 10

01:33:40 benkay: testing in production since 2011

01:34:03 assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1624416/plain/)

01:34:03 benkay: !b 7

01:34:43 nanotube: heh

01:37:07 BingoBoingo: Looks like x-bt had its first ATC trade

01:38:07 pankkake: there's a usuability issue, when you put an order, you get into the page in POST mode; refreshing it would likely submit the order a second time

01:38:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00087806 = 8.8684 BTC [-]

01:39:14 Apocalyptic: it wouldn't pankkake

01:39:40 mircea_popescu: what's the url again ?

01:39:41 Apocalyptic: csrf one-time token on every form

01:39:50 pankkake: oh, right

01:39:54 pankkake: https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc

01:39:54 BingoBoingo: https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc

01:39:55 ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin

01:39:55 ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin

01:39:56 mircea_popescu: ty

01:39:59 Apocalyptic: unless you submit it before the script has a chance to set the new token ofc

01:40:06 mircea_popescu: um...

01:40:17 pankkake: I'm trying a herbijujular strategy!

01:40:18 mircea_popescu: you don't disable tokens after use ?

01:40:27 cads: mircea_popescu: I'm looking for introductory materials in quantitative finance with focus on hedge funds and derivatives valuation. Any input in this direction?

01:40:45 mircea_popescu: cads it'd deeply depend on what your background is.

01:40:48 mircea_popescu: pure math no finance ?

01:41:08 benkay: cads: joshi, derivatives.

01:41:34 mircea_popescu: i r guess ms joshi can't hurt

01:41:44 cads: mircea_popescu: some economics and game theory

01:42:04 mircea_popescu: "on becoming a quant", see if you hate it

01:42:14 mircea_popescu: iirc it was free

01:42:24 cads: math background is category theory, algebra, graphs and computation/logic

01:42:25 benkay: http://www.markjoshi.com/downloads/advice.pdf

01:42:36 benkay: that'd be the piece in question, cads.

01:42:56 cads: cool, I'll give joshi a spin

01:43:25 benkay: also jc hull

01:43:31 benkay: options derivatives and stuff

01:43:33 benkay: req'd reading.

01:43:38 mircea_popescu: bear in mind that quants are idiots tho. always important to keep this clearly in your head

01:43:51 mircea_popescu: lest you end up believing your imagination has some bearing on reality.

01:44:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 582 @ 0.00083559 = 0.4863 BTC [+]

01:44:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06799997 = 0.408 BTC [+]

01:45:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06799997 = 0.34 BTC [+]

01:46:03 mircea_popescu: on which topic n taleb's stuff can't be sufficiently recommended i guess.

01:46:07 cads: mircea_popescu: Haha you mean quantitative models don't magically reorganize reality into your will?

01:46:14 mircea_popescu: exactly

01:46:16 mircea_popescu: and what's worse :

01:46:28 BingoBoingo: The herbi lesson where you place orders based on how you want the book to look rather than on how you could buy and sell at palatable prices.

01:46:28 mircea_popescu: this remains true no matter how breathtakingly beautiful, elegant or symetrical they be.

01:46:29 benkay: no mircea_popescu you see i have this model and it shows that if things were different things would be different

01:47:27 mircea_popescu: i have a different model.

01:47:59 mircea_popescu: the volatility in this chan is fantasitc, not two hours ago we were discussing the new and improved ordering whereby you get more phonenumber with your order,

01:48:06 mircea_popescu: now we're knee deep in kaballah,

01:48:09 mircea_popescu: it never ends with you people.

01:49:24 benkay: quantitative finance -> kabbalah

01:49:31 benkay: i'll buy that one ;)

01:50:32 mircea_popescu: benkay what do you think numeric/quantitative methods are ?

01:51:12 mircea_popescu: re asciilifeform's coin of dry spittle.

01:51:36 cads: I've been butting heads with the stochastic calculus and I think I'm about ready to start reading Probability with Martingales - random variables, random processes, and statistics are starting to feel a lot more natural.

01:51:40 BingoBoingo: The stuff that made Madonna dump A-Rod because his Batting average and WAR stopped being good numbers.

01:51:56 cads: Surprisingly so.... I'd hate for it to go to my head, though :)

01:52:19 mircea_popescu: cads you seen the predictonator ?

01:54:10 cads: Sounds like something a fund manager would name his secret pet model

01:55:14 benkay: mircea_popescu: stochastic simulations, generally? you'd know more than me...

01:55:43 benkay: i was cracking wise about the technical folks' tendency to resort to blind incantations.

01:55:53 mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html

01:55:53 ozbot: Man vs. Machine.

01:55:54 mircea_popescu: tjhat thing

01:56:23 mircea_popescu: benkay but dja know what the kabbalist ppl mostly do ?

01:57:14 cads: the thing I find very useful about the calculus is that, forget finance, say you're dealing with an arrival process in a factory production cell or in an autonomous agent - now /that/ is a situation where your models basically become the magic word of god.

01:57:36 mircea_popescu: this is true.

01:57:41 benkay: mircea_popescu: what?

01:58:29 benkay: cads: you can find greater job satisfaction at a lower rate doing stochastic inventory and supply chain stuff. that said, you have to live in factories or warehouses and interact with line staff from time to time.

01:58:38 mircea_popescu: benkay you familiar with how if you read only the nth letter in an arbitrary string you may find a message in there ?

01:58:50 benkay: mircea_popescu: yup

01:58:54 mircea_popescu: that, then.

01:59:00 cads: benkay: I currently /am/ a factory worker :)

01:59:04 mircea_popescu: and various variations and generalisations

01:59:16 benkay: stochastic extraction of "sensible" strings from longer ones?

01:59:19 mircea_popescu: which all amount to basically "let's find the parametric function of the future" or meaning or w/e

01:59:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 785 @ 0.00024797 = 0.1947 BTC [+]

02:00:40 benkay: cads: well then there ain't nowhere to go but up!

02:02:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55999949 = 1.12 BTC [+] {2}

02:03:25 cads: So knowing the nth letter of say an english message will definitely give a probability distribution for things like "what word does this letter belong to" or "is this the middle or end of a word."

02:03:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00087779 = 21.4181 BTC [-] {2}

02:04:01 mircea_popescu: cads except that's the correct way to use numeric methods

02:04:06 mircea_popescu: (ie, as to the message processed)

02:04:19 mircea_popescu: the kabbalistic approach is to use them in the manner global warmists use their "data"

02:04:30 mircea_popescu: ie, to predict or enact the word of gawd.

02:04:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02579995 = 0.1032 BTC [-]

02:06:03 mircea_popescu: (because you see, everything is in the torah, including the birthdate of your future wife you;ve not yet met, as well as the name of her secret lover)

02:06:17 benkay: this is true of π as well.

02:06:28 mircea_popescu: it is also true of the assets bash.

02:07:35 benkay: oh, our corpus isn't quite *that* large or *that* stochastic now...

02:07:45 BingoBoingo: And the trillions of hashes per second which aren't good enough to find blocks.

02:07:46 mircea_popescu: nevertheless it includes by reference enough material.

02:08:02 cads: This is why I refuse to learn finance first. I'd rather take whatever math intuition handicap than be caught using theorems whose conditions are not satisfied.

02:08:24 mircea_popescu: cads you'll never be popular with the fiat-finance crowds,

02:08:30 mircea_popescu: but at least you can always hang out here.

02:10:23 Bugpowder: You could probably do well in the just-dice groupie scene too

02:10:28 kakobrekla: lol price on gox just went 370->530

02:11:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6034 @ 0.0008728 = 5.2665 BTC [-] {2}

02:11:26 Bugpowder: god damn it

02:11:36 cads: oh yeah, I'd heard of a sizeable market crash.

02:11:41 Bugpowder: time for the bot to start quoting again

02:11:56 benkay: ;;ticker --market mtgox

02:11:56 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 440.0, Best ask: 442.97, Bid-ask spread: 2.97000, Last trade: 450.0, 24 hour volume: 53582.53478578, 24 hour low: 310.0, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 368.92604

02:12:05 Bugpowder: Roger Ver's deposit cleared

02:12:29 benkay: the "ship to forum sockpuppets" asic ploy.

02:12:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: von neumann widget, lol. can't wait for some joker to start 'predicting market'

02:12:33 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1y116j/mtgox_bitcoin_withdrawals_working_again/ successful trolling I guess

02:12:33 ozbot: MtGox bitcoin withdrawals working again : Bitcoin

02:12:41 mircea_popescu: start ?!

02:12:41 cads: bitcoinity.org is now tracking bitstamp rather than gox?

02:12:51 mircea_popescu: cads pretty much everyone is.

02:12:59 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

02:13:00 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 666.0, Best ask: 669.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 666.0, 24 hour volume: 20510.92582860, 24 hour low: 628.88, 24 hour high: 673.01, 24 hour vwap: 650.017359511

02:13:44 cads: Do we have arbitrage between gox and bitstamp?

02:13:52 mircea_popescu: gox is kinda dead

02:13:56 cads: gotcha

02:15:10 cads: 'Transaction Malleability'!?

02:15:10 asciilifeform: benkay: the "ship to forum sockpuppets" asic ploy << there is much to be learned from carnival / stage magic tradecraft re: scams

02:15:19 mircea_popescu: carnies. definitely.

02:15:28 asciilifeform: the 'plant in the audience' recipe, etc.

02:15:35 mircea_popescu: cads http://fraudsters.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/

02:16:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15141 @ 0.00087184 = 13.2005 BTC [-]

02:16:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2013#416417 check me out :D

02:16:51 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

02:17:00 mircea_popescu: also :

02:17:01 mircea_popescu: Kickstarter hacked, user data stolen

02:17:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 139 @ 0.0008356 = 0.1161 BTC [+]

02:17:13 mircea_popescu: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57618976-83/kickstarter-hacked-user-data-stolen/

02:17:13 ozbot: Kickstarter hacked, user data stolen | Security & Privacy - CNET News

02:17:17 Bugpowder: old

02:17:35 mircea_popescu: lol how old is it ?

02:17:43 Bugpowder: at least 4 hours

02:17:51 mircea_popescu: derp.

02:18:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00083588 = 0.2508 BTC [+]

02:18:09 cads: Since when the fuck does bitcoin have fucking transaction fucking MALLEABILITY?!

02:18:13 Jere_Jones: This url should be spouted here more often: http://assass.headfucking.net/ 'Tis fucking awesome.

02:18:20 Bugpowder: cads: at least 4 hours

02:18:34 cads: Wow!

02:18:41 copumpkin: cads: it's been known since 2011

02:18:43 mircea_popescu: cads like 2009 dood

02:18:49 copumpkin: it isn't really all that much of a problem

02:18:56 copumpkin: if you're aware of it, which it turns out nobody was

02:19:07 mircea_popescu: who the hell wasn't srsly.

02:19:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000836 = 0.2508 BTC [+]

02:19:30 copumpkin: all the major exchanges and the "official" bitcoin-qt client :P

02:19:31 mircea_popescu: i think it was a topic of discussion at least monthly.

02:19:36 copumpkin: well, they all failed at it in some way or another

02:19:48 mircea_popescu: in this sense security qualifies.

02:20:05 copumpkin: anyway, it wasn't a threat of loss of bitcoins

02:20:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 261 @ 0.0008375 = 0.2186 BTC [+]

02:20:11 copumpkin: unless you layer additional stupidity on top of it

02:20:12 copumpkin: which mtgox apparently did

02:20:17 mircea_popescu: or so they say.

02:20:25 benkay: copumpkin: do you write in public anywhere?

02:20:35 copumpkin: I tweet occasionally

02:20:39 copumpkin: why?

02:21:03 mircea_popescu: because he likes you and would like to get to know you better.

02:21:09 mircea_popescu: in a more intimate manner.

02:21:11 cads: secsooally

02:21:12 mircea_popescu: no homo.

02:21:57 mircea_popescu: benkay you know he's the asshole who stole my bentley and gave it to a bunch of kids from like poor countries in india or some shit, and in exchange they hacked a bunch of iphones for him

02:22:03 mircea_popescu: or nokias or whatever it was.

02:22:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1000 @ 0.0055 = 5.5 BTC

02:22:23 cads: "While transactions are signed, the signature does not currently cover all the data in a transaction that is hashed to create the transaction hash. "

02:22:30 cads: Wut.

02:22:40 mircea_popescu: cause meta.

02:23:02 BingoBoingo: Doesn't he also keep a bunch of tomatoes prisoner or am I confused.

02:23:12 mircea_popescu: no that's copineaple.

02:23:13 mircea_popescu: no relation.

02:23:20 copumpkin: :)

02:23:22 benkay: bwaaaaat

02:23:23 cads: mircea_popescu: I'm going to investigate the excuse don't worry :D

02:23:48 benkay: anyways, this malleability thing as mentioned above is not really a flaw, cads.

02:23:57 mircea_popescu: it's a feature!

02:24:06 benkay: the flaw is in people using the txid as a bookkeeping device which satoshi explicitly warned against iirc

02:24:08 pankkake: apparently there are easy improvements http://blog.oleganza.com/

02:24:12 mircea_popescu: like tits, they get cold and flop arouind and your nipples hurt and everything,

02:24:12 copumpkin: it's not ideal and the devs are trying to adjust it

02:24:16 mircea_popescu: but they're defo not a flaw.

02:24:29 mircea_popescu: benkay yeah he did.

02:24:38 mircea_popescu: course he did because block reorgs iirc.

02:24:45 benkay: prezactly.

02:25:12 copumpkin: so, on a more important note

02:25:14 copumpkin: cloud atlas.

02:25:16 copumpkin: worth watching or not?

02:25:20 copumpkin: I like the soundtrack

02:25:28 cads: who composes?

02:25:31 mircea_popescu: watch it abd blog about the experience, i never saw it.

02:25:36 BingoBoingo: Anyways, the problem in Gox's case is they kept leading zeros in their signatures. Everyone else was like STFU that's dumb. Eventually some nodes started correcting this mistake.

02:26:07 mircea_popescu: ^ that'd be acurate.

02:26:19 mircea_popescu: mtgox was at least 5 times told to stop with the idiocy.

02:26:37 BingoBoingo: Cutting those zeros changed the txid though.

02:26:52 cads: copumpkin: You've got me piqued on the soundtrack

02:26:58 mircea_popescu: but apparently the php lolcat interpreter adds leading 0's to O RLY?/OIC blocks or something

02:27:01 copumpkin: cads: it's pretty good

02:27:06 cads: if a soundtrack is good I usually watch the movie

02:27:47 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well so far it is at least two mistakes on Gox's part leading zeros and txid as database primary key.

02:28:25 mircea_popescu: i dun buy it.

02:28:48 BingoBoingo: Well, then there is the third mistake, scam.

02:29:17 asciilifeform: re: tx issue: this is reminiscent of microshit's EXE signing. where you can append whatever to the signed turd and it still passes checksum.

02:29:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 391 @ 0.00043898 = 0.1716 BTC [+] {2}

02:29:53 BingoBoingo: Mark's face is shaped in such a way, I imagine, he imagines he can just hug away the scam.

02:30:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 599 @ 0.00043899 = 0.263 BTC [+] {3}

02:31:27 cads: copumpkin: you're right, this is good

02:32:04 copumpkin: I'm a big fan of the tune in sonmi-451 meets chang, and the various times it recurs throughout the rest of the soundtrack

02:32:17 copumpkin: it picks up about halfway through

02:33:13 Bugpowder: Mark : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stay_Puft_Marshmallow_Man

02:33:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the diference here being of course that you're not expected to run the whole turd

02:33:24 mircea_popescu: just the signed part.

02:33:47 Bugpowder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stay-puft-marshmallow-man.jpg

02:34:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right. you arrange to have the turd jumped to after sig check.

02:37:01 mircea_popescu: well yeah in ashell environment. not quite that much flexibility in bitcoin scrupting

02:37:23 mircea_popescu: one thing i can't for the fucking life of me understand is why on earth has nobody made an actual competing implementation.

02:37:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06799997 = 0.136 BTC [+]

02:37:29 mircea_popescu: there are > 450964509860954 copy/paste alt coins

02:37:43 mircea_popescu: yet nobody went "ok, the ideas are quite clear, let's do this then"

02:37:44 asciilifeform: copy/paste vs. actual thinking.

02:37:54 mircea_popescu: there are 5k universities proposing they have cs departments, which is a fraud

02:38:07 asciilifeform: as described by herr mold.

02:38:08 mircea_popescu: as in a sane world no uni with a cs department could have done anything else in 2013 as a term paper

02:38:13 Bugpowder: man, gox back down to where it started... what a derp

02:38:15 mircea_popescu: than "make a bitcoin implementation"

02:38:33 asciilifeform: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/08/whats-wrong-with-cs-research.html

02:38:33 ozbot: Unqualified Reservations: What's wrong with CS research

02:38:42 mircea_popescu: forget research even you know ?

02:38:51 benkay: mircea_popescu: it's a goddamn shame that everyone's leaving it to the self-taught hacks

02:38:58 mircea_popescu: this'd have been anyone's term project if i were teaching.

02:39:04 mircea_popescu: benkay ikr?

02:39:22 benkay: mircea_popescu: cs departments are for research. mechanical and ee departments are apparently where you learn to actually weld shit together.

02:39:24 cads: shame and opportunity

02:39:27 Bugpowder: How to blow 1000BTC in under 5 minutes.

02:39:31 mircea_popescu: and i seriously do not understand what a rector must be thinking to not close down their cs department after this

02:39:34 cads: how fitting

02:39:35 copumpkin: not sure I'd say it was blown, Bugpowder

02:39:45 mircea_popescu: "what, you have not implemented bitcoin as a term project ? you're defunded. 100%"

02:39:52 benkay: yup.

02:40:01 asciilifeform: can't speak for other unis, the cs dept. i studied in was a vacuum cleaner for slurping up DOD moneys

02:40:12 mircea_popescu: fucking bs.

02:40:20 asciilifeform: that is its primary function, with the students as an afterthought (read: source of cheap labour)

02:40:54 benkay: most us unis i've been to are similarly oriented around hoovering up research + dod monies asciilifeform

02:41:05 mircea_popescu: we're fortunate to live in a world where nobody has any clear measuring stick to be able to measure exactly how tall the pile of shameful excrement they find themselves under is.

02:41:17 mircea_popescu: so they can go around pretending like they're things they could never be.

02:41:23 asciilifeform: perhaps vaccum cleaner is the wrong picture. more of an idiot with mouth open, catching raindrops.

02:41:34 mircea_popescu: "humanities" "professors" that have no idea what a college is and can not speak latin,

02:41:46 mircea_popescu: cs professors who failed to have the kids implement bitcoin in 2013

02:42:00 mircea_popescu: all the unspeakable depth of pitecantropic refuse

02:42:04 asciilifeform: give it another decade... we implemented 'sed'.

02:42:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe i'm blinded by zeal but seems to me sed is actually harder.

02:42:34 asciilifeform: 'yesterday's nobel prize is tomorrow's homework'

02:42:44 asciilifeform: sed is arguably harder.

02:42:54 cads: I'd love to see a haskell or agda implementation

02:42:55 mircea_popescu: bitcoin once explained by satoshi is not actually hard in any sense

02:42:56 asciilifeform: and is 'politically' safe.

02:42:58 mircea_popescu: merely gotta do the work.

02:43:13 mircea_popescu: which is what cs depts are for.

02:43:41 asciilifeform: implementing btc would be a little like having the mech eng. students build a working howitzer.

02:43:52 mircea_popescu: so ?

02:43:54 benkay: hah

02:43:55 mircea_popescu: i definitely would.

02:44:02 asciilifeform: arguably imperative, but we live in bizarroworld

02:44:02 benkay: more like a potato gun

02:44:31 mircea_popescu: da fuck mech engineer you are can't build a hovitzer

02:44:50 benkay: u want shells too sir?

02:44:51 jayk: hmmm

02:44:51 asciilifeform: obligatory link to the MIT lamp video!

02:45:04 mircea_popescu: benkay you don't have to make the shells actually do anything you know ?

02:45:14 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ

02:45:14 ozbot: MIT graduates cannot power a light bulb with a battery. - YouTube

02:45:19 mircea_popescu: a howitzer can fire blanks on the football field just fine

02:45:34 asciilifeform: correct.

02:45:36 benkay: sure but then you're not really putting the barrel through its paces are you?

02:45:46 mircea_popescu: or for that matter make it fire solid metal ordnance.

02:45:49 asciilifeform: (i once discovered that my uni used to have a rifle range. gone.)

02:45:54 mircea_popescu: at a wall or stack of sand bags or w/e

02:45:59 cads: mircea_popescu: sell some Coq nerds on the importance of implementing a formally verified blockchain algorithm and further specialization to a btc implementation :)

02:45:59 MisterE_: asciilifeform: is right, education is a business before all esle

02:46:14 mircea_popescu: cads know any ?

02:46:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most Land Grants had them back in the day.

02:46:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00087607 = 12.1774 BTC [+] {2}

02:46:46 asciilifeform: it's hilarious. they have people 'formally verify' DRM crud.

02:46:59 asciilifeform: glass bead game.

02:47:15 mircea_popescu: apparently pitecantropic is not an english word. odd.

02:47:20 cads: mircea_popescu: just acquaintances on irc.

02:47:22 mircea_popescu: anyway, reference to the "java man"

02:47:29 mircea_popescu: cads so send them over.

02:47:38 asciilifeform: try 'pithecantropic' ?

02:47:52 mircea_popescu: a ok

02:48:02 mircea_popescu: pithecanthropus

02:48:14 cads: oh, key, copumpkin is also a #coq regular

02:48:29 mircea_popescu: o ya definitely likes the c0q

02:48:43 copumpkin: cads: we've spoken in all sorts of different places :P

02:49:16 asciilifeform: re: c0qlovers and proof-of-whatever: a particularly egregious case of glass bead game.

02:49:25 asciilifeform: (as discussed in a turd of mine, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 and elsewhere)

02:49:43 benkay: glass bead game?

02:49:44 asciilifeform: attempts at 'transitioning from the informal to the formal by formal means'.

02:50:20 cads: asciilifeform: it's always been one great misgiving of mine whenever I read papers on large formally verified software projects

02:50:24 asciilifeform: (see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8475)

02:51:31 cads: for example UC's Quark verified browser kernel or the NICTA's l4.verified project.

02:51:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 797 @ 0.00024797 = 0.1976 BTC [+]

02:51:43 benkay: cads: what kind of factory worker reads about formal verification of large software projects?!

02:54:14 asciilifeform: the whole 'automated proofs' business is fundamentally turdalicious

02:54:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean as a hesse reference ?

02:54:20 asciilifeform: yes

02:54:39 cads: I appreciate that we can create a kernel of security properties and then prove it about our access control model, and then build the system on that.

02:54:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 703 @ 0.00024797 = 0.1743 BTC [+]

02:54:48 asciilifeform: it is an attempt to hide head in the sand, escape from the fact that the only way to guarantee expected function is: actual understanding

02:54:50 asciilifeform: by actual brains

02:54:57 benkay: you mean brians

02:55:10 asciilifeform: and this requires a 'bonfire of the' complexity.

02:55:20 cads: And I appreciate that this makes it /easier/ to avoid bugs - the only place a bug can now live is in the security properties you prove about your access model.

02:55:35 cads: And that's the part that hits my stomach with dread.

02:56:01 mircea_popescu: right

02:56:09 mircea_popescu: you can now have no bugs except that sort of bugs you'll never find

02:56:33 cads: Since /those/ bugs are embedded in philosophy

02:56:55 mircea_popescu: right

02:56:57 asciilifeform: or something as mundane as the hardware.

02:57:37 cads: But I'm optimistic since we can study the theory of what should constitute a correct and effective security property

02:58:15 asciilifeform: the entire field, giving its history and monetary incentives, is a poisonous offering.

02:58:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02579995 = 0.258 BTC [-]

02:59:19 cads: It does feel like you're concentrating the bugs into a very rare and amazingly lucrative bug class

02:59:19 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

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03:01:06 asciilifeform: we aren't seeing proof in the mathematical sense. only (apologies to bush the lesser) - 'proofiness.'

03:01:43 asciilifeform: the idea that bugs are being banished anywhere by this obscurantist crap is nonsense.

03:02:49 asciilifeform: example, for the thick:

03:02:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00087836 = 10.2768 BTC [+]

03:03:22 asciilifeform: 'ECC' memory is largely absent from consumer turdware. i wait for the box running your 'proofy' crap to be hit by cosmic ray.

03:03:33 cads: hmm, the verified software I've read about uses security properties which are proven via a formal proof assistant in a standard logic.

03:03:39 asciilifeform: suddenly not so verified any more.

03:04:29 asciilifeform: go ahead, prove anything useful about an x86 box where an arbitrary bit might flip.

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03:05:28 asciilifeform: (if cosmic rays are insufficient, someone might be so kind as to pump some ionizing strange through your server. or merely turn up the thermostat in the cage. etc.)

03:05:38 cads: fair enough, then even the most correct formally proven software should expect some faults due to underlying hardware.

03:05:41 cads: hm

03:05:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899998 = 0.414 BTC [+] {2}

03:06:19 mircea_popescu: derp.

03:06:52 asciilifeform: of course, no need for such shenanigans if the box is already built of 'cooperative' iron.

03:06:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06999998 = 0.7 BTC [+] {2}

03:08:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your dream of software that's unauditable by the user is getting closer and closer huh

03:08:30 asciilifeform: eh, it might as well be already

03:08:51 cads: asciilifeform: that brings us to study methods of invalidating the security properties by changing aspects of the substrate system that the security properties gloss over or assume by fiat.

03:08:59 cads: neat

03:09:00 asciilifeform: garden variety winblows box could busy a thousand auditors for a thousand years.

03:11:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [+]

03:12:11 cads: We can always dream about strong encryption for state machine dynamics.

03:12:44 cads: Which could give us some padding between the software agent and untrusted underlying hardware.

03:12:47 asciilifeform: cads: exists (provably not in the general case, but for many particular cases, sure)

03:13:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14385 @ 0.00087519 = 12.5896 BTC [-]

03:13:24 cads: right, currently it's amazingly inefficient and not general, and I also believe there are unfortunate theoretical limits to the power of any such approach

03:13:24 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

03:13:28 asciilifeform: problem is (well, depending on how you look), the consumer is to be on the 'wrong end of the barrel' for this one.

03:13:43 cads: how so?

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03:14:04 asciilifeform: cads: look who is working on this, and why. or do i have to draw a picture.

03:14:42 cads: you may have to excuse my ignorance of the commercial or political side of this work

03:15:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00297 = 0.1069 BTC [+]

03:16:20 cads: I came up with the idea of encrypted computing when I was thinking how to design an autonomous AI agent that cannot ever have its state vector interrogated or partially simulated.

03:16:47 asciilifeform: turdware vendors are mightily annoyed that the occasional consumer, 'smarter than average rabbit', pries open and exposes their turdwork.

03:16:53 mircea_popescu: <cads> neat << good point actually.

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03:17:31 cads: So that if an adversary has captured the state vector they can only continue to simulate it faithfully

03:17:44 mircea_popescu: now that'd be interesting.

03:17:47 mircea_popescu: i'd like a mpex like thatr.

03:17:50 asciilifeform: cads: i reinvented the concept, as probably just about every maths student has, when first reading about Paillier's Addition and thinking 'what if you glue this to OISC - 'jump if zero' - machine.

03:18:03 cads: wow, nice

03:18:28 asciilifeform: no heroic feat here.

03:19:03 cads: right, I guess to jump from homomorphic encryption to obfuscated computation is a natural one.

03:19:38 asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paillier_cryptosystem

03:19:39 ozbot: Paillier cryptosystem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

03:20:00 asciilifeform: and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_instruction_set_computer

03:23:54 asciilifeform: one neglected aspect of homomorphic turdcraft (let's assume that it were possible and practical in some general-'enough' case! for the sake of argument) is:

03:24:10 asciilifeform: unless you are carrying out the compilation with paper and pencil,

03:24:30 asciilifeform: you are forever doomed to trust the mechanism whereby you generated the cryptoturd.

03:24:32 cads: okay, so in our Paillier OISC we'd use subtract and branch of != 0, or subtract and branch if <= 0.

03:24:36 asciilifeform: because the result can never be verified.

03:24:43 asciilifeform: (verified to do what you intended it to.)

03:24:44 cads: Only with pallier operations

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03:26:24 cads: wait how do we implement the order relation on the ciphertext version of the data

03:26:46 asciilifeform: cads: not so simple. you can't have the machine actually branch in any obvious sense

03:26:56 asciilifeform: or an observer could deduce logic

03:27:12 cads: right that would surely give the game away for most things

03:28:09 asciilifeform: incidentally

03:28:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06799997 = 0.136 BTC [-]

03:28:25 asciilifeform: wiki used to have a page on 'joseki' (not to be confused with the Go players' term)

03:28:29 Mats_cd03: Complicated technical gibbering, mundane, cryptodongs, etc

03:28:38 asciilifeform: nsa cryptosystem, circa 1980s. implied to function on this principle.

03:28:50 asciilifeform: page was zapped some time ago.

03:29:02 asciilifeform: (it was used in military firmware)

03:30:07 cads: http://cryptography.wikia.com/wiki/JOSEKI_%28cipher%29

03:30:08 ozbot: JOSEKI (cipher) - Crypto Wiki

03:30:28 asciilifeform: something like that

03:30:29 asciilifeform: if i recall

03:31:03 asciilifeform: maybe it was just my imagination.

03:33:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00087767 = 18.7821 BTC [-]

03:33:39 benkay: http://brooklyn-dentists.com/wp-content/bitcoin-code/emacs-bitcoin.php

03:33:44 Mats_cd03: Big words followed by math things

03:34:12 asciilifeform: shannonizer?

03:34:20 asciilifeform: somebody ought to stoke one with this channel log.

03:34:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19148 @ 0.00087854 = 16.8223 BTC [+]

03:34:40 benkay: amen

03:35:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19099 @ 0.0008787 = 16.7823 BTC [+] {2}

03:36:07 asciilifeform: and now for something completely different:

03:36:09 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/02/american-exceptionalism.html

03:36:09 ozbot: ClubOrlov: “American” exceptionalism

03:36:30 Mats_cd03: i belieb in american exceptionalism

03:36:57 benkay: Mats_cd03: are you on cocaine?

03:37:16 Mats_cd03: im high on life nigga

03:37:20 benkay: hm

03:37:21 mircea_popescu: lmao! so very different

03:37:28 benkay: well i bleed american capitalism

03:37:29 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters exceptionalismul personal

03:37:30 gribble: No matches found.

03:37:31 benkay: the old kind

03:37:36 mircea_popescu: eh gtfo google.

03:37:46 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2009/exceptionalismul-personal/

03:37:47 ozbot: Exceptionalismul personal pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:37:56 mircea_popescu: i do not make the mistake of positing it's romanian!

03:38:00 mircea_popescu: it's just stupiditarian.

03:38:08 Mats_cd03: american capitalism smells like fast food grease and dick cheese

03:38:25 Mats_cd03: not recommended for date night

03:39:26 benkay: these days certainly.

03:39:32 benkay: once upon a time it smelled like blood and money.

03:39:52 asciilifeform: if you're exceptionally lucky, it smells like the hangar where howard hughes farted in '72.

03:40:34 asciilifeform: but if you want a better smell, you'll need a time machine.

03:42:05 benkay: yeah. people were cool once.

03:42:43 Mats_cd03: i watched the aviator so yeah i can pretend like i know what youre talking about

03:42:54 TestingUnoDosTre: lies. when was that?

03:44:26 benkay: 1806-1859.

03:49:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68300 @ 0.00087502 = 59.7639 BTC [-] {4}

03:50:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16252 @ 0.00087481 = 14.2174 BTC [-]

03:51:34 cads: hmm

03:52:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.002973 = 0.446 BTC [+]

03:52:43 mircea_popescu: people were cool from circa 1600 to about ww1.

03:53:04 mircea_popescu: then orwell's bugmen took over.

03:53:41 benkay: orwell's responsible for modern socialism?

03:53:46 asciilifeform: mr. o blamed the telegraph

03:53:48 mircea_popescu: no, but he described the type.

03:53:51 asciilifeform: (bugmen like central admin.)

03:54:11 cads: so joseki is a two part encryption decryption function E, D such that in some sense "the encryption algorithm is not the same as, and cannot be deduced from, the decryption algorithm."

03:54:12 mircea_popescu: makes this observation how the only sort of people who seem to trive in his dystopia are bug-like

03:54:50 mircea_popescu: short stubbly crab-like in movements etc.

03:55:03 benkay: ;;calc 59.7639 + 14.2174

03:55:03 gribble: 73.9813

03:55:08 cads: You can decrypt the existing operating system.

03:55:15 cads: To do that you read the bootstrap key.

03:55:33 cads: But once doing that, say you want to alter the code. You can't do that.

03:55:46 cads: For you cannot re-encrypt the code.

03:55:50 asciilifeform: implication is that this achieved something more than one can get by merely hashing & signing code.

03:56:49 cads: there's a million ways to subvert either

03:57:13 cads: just burn some of the traces on the bootstrap chip and suddenly it loads your unencrypted code just fine

03:57:29 asciilifeform: "On the far side of the room, sitting at a table alone, a small, curiously beetle-like man was drinking a cup of coffee, his little eyes darting suspicious glances from side to side. How easy it was, thought Winston, if you did not look about you, to believe that the physical type set up by the Party as an ideal-tall muscular youths and deep-bosomed maidens, blond-haired, vital, sunburnt, carefree - existed and

03:57:29 asciilifeform: even predominated. Actually, so far as he could judge, the majority of people in Airstrip One were small, dark, and ill-favoured. It was curious how that beetle-like type proliferated in the Ministries: little dumpy men, growing stout very early in life, with short legs, swift scuttling movements, and fat inscrutable faces with very small eyes. It was the type that seemed to flourish best under the dominion of

03:57:29 asciilifeform: the Party."

03:57:37 asciilifeform: ('1984')

03:57:37 mircea_popescu: ty.

03:57:40 cads: ... assuming you have a scanning tunneling electron microscope lying around.

03:58:06 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> implication is that this achieved something more than one can get by merely hashing & signing code. << fwiw i don't believe it does or could.

03:58:48 asciilifeform: cads: J. was devised for some unknown, godforsaken 1980s silicon. perhaps it sat the decryptor between the memory bus and cpu proper

03:59:22 Jere_Jones: How does an exchange that implements stop losses prevent a large order from crashing the market? If a large order comes in and wipes out the orderbook past serveral stop losses, those sells get executed after the large order right? They don't get interwoven with the large order? Interwoven seems harder to do and/or incorrect and/or unethical. That means that a stop loss can't actually

03:59:23 Jere_Jones: stop a loss if the market is relatively shallow. Am I misunderstanding something?

03:59:55 mircea_popescu: stop losses are usually offered as a best-effort thing, not as a guarantee

04:00:02 mircea_popescu: even in serious markets.

04:00:11 benkay: is there a ranking of purely crypto exchanges by vol?

04:00:43 Jere_Jones: And they do get executed after the order that dropped the price? Not interwoven?

04:00:54 mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "interwoven"

04:01:00 mircea_popescu: that's why blocks are blocks.

04:01:07 Jere_Jones: Didn't think so. Thanks.

04:01:21 mircea_popescu: course, god knows what btc webmasters do.

04:01:43 mircea_popescu: but if you "interwoven" on nyse the sec will put your head on a pike on columbus ave.

04:01:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: angels/pinhead, etc. one could easily picture something clever (block cipher allowing direct execution of crypted instructions, without an intermediate buffer for mass decrypt) or something foolish.

04:02:14 Jere_Jones: That sounds less than pleasant.

04:02:22 asciilifeform: we'll know when an american Mitrohin or Rezun lifts the specs.

04:02:24 cads: asciilifeform: in that case couldn't we say the same of hashing? Although I admit. Putting the decryptor somewhere in the main flow of the system has panache, and I wouldn't be surprised if a similar approach hashing is a lot less natural.

04:03:05 benkay: ;;calc 74*600

04:03:06 gribble: 44400

04:03:21 asciilifeform: cads: idea probably was, you'd like to block-cipher the blob, but don't want to send a symmetric key (however contained) into the field.

04:03:54 cads: right

04:04:06 asciilifeform: so you want something opposite to 'rsa'

04:04:27 asciilifeform: (where 'anyone enciphers, only one reads')

04:05:08 asciilifeform: exercise for alert reader!

04:05:18 cads: ;)

04:05:19 asciilifeform: deduce a working 'joseki'-like cryptosystem.

04:05:27 asciilifeform: (undergrad level problem.)

04:05:39 benkay: dang asciilifeform you're a taskmaster

04:05:53 asciilifeform: not like this is hard or anything.

04:06:05 benkay: well hey some of us are unversed. you have depth in it.

04:06:29 cads: asciilifeform: I'm confused as to the sense in which the encryption algorithm cannot be derived from the encryption algorithm

04:06:39 asciilifeform: decryption?

04:06:44 cads: righ

04:07:04 cads: is this to say the encryption _key_, can not be derived from the decryption key?

04:07:06 asciilifeform: not so hard.

04:07:54 asciilifeform: you have turds of a certain number-theoretical variety, that turn into plaintext when subjected to function F. F(turd) = plain. but you don't know F'(plain) = turd.

04:08:12 cads: typically the decryption key allows us to derive the encryption key via number theoretic properties

04:08:46 asciilifeform: cads: with some 'hardness assumption' in the way of practically accomplishing this, yes.

04:08:55 asciilifeform: but one could conceive of F' being the key itself

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04:09:24 asciilifeform: bureaucrats probably came in their pants, they hate the chore of key distribution, etc

04:10:09 cads: oh hey

04:10:20 cads: anyone wanna see women cumming while reading books?

04:10:58 cads: like, actual passages of cool literature like clockwork orange, sitting fully dressed at a table, while something undeniable is going on /under/ the table

04:11:16 asciilifeform: old hat.

04:11:45 cads: ah, saw it already?

04:11:49 cads: http://hystericalliterature.com/stoya/

04:12:05 cads: I thought it was really cute

04:12:08 cads: I liked the essays too

04:13:11 cads: I felt a bit too vouyeristic while watching to watch all of them, but it was enjoyable

04:16:45 mircea_popescu: sooo, anyone know a native chinese speaker ?

04:16:55 asciilifeform: sure.

04:16:57 asciilifeform: why

04:17:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29113 @ 0.00086896 = 25.298 BTC [-] {2}

04:17:21 mircea_popescu: because we have no resident chinese expert.

04:17:22 mircea_popescu: who ?

04:17:27 asciilifeform: colleague

04:17:31 mircea_popescu: so get him to come over!

04:17:59 asciilifeform: i'll poke him when i visit him on tuesday.

04:19:03 mircea_popescu: coolness.

04:19:34 asciilifeform: benkay: under no circumstances should i be confused with an actual expert on crypto

04:19:48 asciilifeform: but the practical application of the known building blocks is quite trivial.

04:20:29 asciilifeform: (somewhat less trivial if you want actual security, rather than a passing exam score, however)

04:22:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+]

04:22:45 cads: anyways - asciilifeform I understand that. Ie, say we have two functions F and G such that G(F(x)) = x and F(x) is in some sense independent of x. Then (F, G) is a basic kind of cryptosystem, where F is the encryption function and G is the decryption function. For us not to be able to derive F from G, G must be infeasible to invert. I believe F can be encryption with a public key (which in this case the designer will keep public),

04:22:45 cads: and G is decryption with the corresponding private key (which is included on the chip). It's a bit of an inversion of control of the intention of public key systems but it works for our purpose.

04:23:21 cads: The only detail I am not sure is about the private -> public derivability of the keys.

04:24:14 cads: I know bitcoin's scheme allows us to derive a public key from the private one, and that this is actually not typical.

04:25:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00087169 = 4.1841 BTC [+]

04:26:09 cads: asciilifeform: you say that we want the 'opposite' of rsa (public decrypt, private encrypt), but... this is just the same as giving the public the private key and keeping the public one secret.

04:26:45 benkay: thanks for that cads. babe and i just watched stoya's. a+

04:26:58 cads: wasn't it /amazing/?!

04:26:58 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:27:04 benkay: of course the woman's response is "i hate the essay!"

04:27:09 benkay: wtf not the point

04:27:14 benkay: maybe the point

04:27:34 benkay: everything's part of the point i suppose

04:27:43 cads: I liked stoya's own account

04:28:09 asciilifeform: cads: nope.

04:28:19 asciilifeform: having private P,Q you can P*Q and get public.

04:28:50 asciilifeform: what kind of exercise would this be if the answer involved only this.

04:29:20 mircea_popescu: benkay stoya, the whore ?!

04:29:35 benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_ZL8HXbHQo

04:29:36 ozbot: This Empty Love - InnerPartySystem - YouTube

04:29:42 mircea_popescu: aok

04:29:45 cads: mircea_popescu: you must watch this: http://hystericalliterature.com/stoya/

04:30:07 cads: "Hysterical Literature is a video art series by NYC-based photographer and filmmaker Clayton Cubitt. It explores feminism, mind/body dualism, distraction portraiture, and the contrast between culture and sexuality. (It's also just really fun to watch.) "

04:30:30 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9fgmrL08p1qdleaio1_500.gif

04:30:32 mircea_popescu: the other stoya.

04:30:57 cads: I'm questioning the feminist merit if only because I still enjoyed the work with a very male gaze :D

04:31:12 benkay: maybe the same stoya?

04:31:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1191 @ 0.002973 = 3.5408 BTC [+]

04:31:30 cads: no, absolutely the same stoya

04:32:02 benkay: mircea_popescu: you're missing out on all sorts of context not at least sampling videos

04:32:17 mircea_popescu: i'll live

04:32:44 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbw3j2tj2f1rqgfmbo1_500.gif

04:33:48 cads: mircea_popescu: the idea is that an unpaid woman sits at a table and opens up a famous literary work she chose, begins to read a key passage, starts having and orgasm, continues trying to read, climaxes, and then closes the book and says "I'm ____ and this has been moby dick"

04:34:40 mircea_popescu: i'd guess about 35% of adult females can actually orgasm in the situation described.

04:35:06 mircea_popescu: but! that said orgasm distraction is certanly a fun game.

04:35:13 cads: Unseen under the table the photographer's lovely assistant is working away with the apparently supernaturally effect hitachi vibrator.

04:35:22 benkay: !t h rent

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04:35:30 mircea_popescu: even so.

04:35:37 cads: right

04:35:56 cads: it takes dedication to do that

04:36:21 cads: The first volunteer is stoya the porn star

04:36:22 benkay: btw that mpex trade, like 74 btc?

04:36:30 benkay: just about a third of the rentalstarter ipo.

04:36:39 cads: we know she knows how to cum

04:36:47 asciilifeform: they make remote-controlled instruments for this kind of work.

04:36:50 mircea_popescu: she fakes it lots of times you know

04:36:53 cads: but the other volunteers are women that work in the arts

04:36:56 asciilifeform: wireless.

04:37:08 cads: one of the women is a museum curator

04:38:03 asciilifeform: long gone are the days when a bottle of bees was the state of the art.

04:38:08 cads: and in their essays it's clear they feel they are helping make sexuality a less dirty, less manipulated thing

04:38:08 mircea_popescu: i wonder if giving these chicks a book and asking them to read is a legit pick-up now.

04:38:16 benkay: bahaha

04:38:18 benkay: oh you

04:38:46 mircea_popescu: "hello"

04:38:47 mircea_popescu: "hi ?"

04:39:01 mircea_popescu: "i saw you on the internet. so here's le diable et le bon dieu, read for me."

04:39:40 cads: ah, the other thing

04:40:25 cads: despite being arguably non-pornographic (hosted, as it was, on youtube), the 9 videos in the series got 20 million views

04:40:53 mircea_popescu: that matters.

04:41:25 cads: mixed reviews from the critics alternately called it an awesome work of feminism and art, or skeptically denounced it as 'porn, not art'.

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04:41:36 asciilifeform: russian sf author / madman viktor pelevin had a piece where, in the Dark Future (tm) all other types of porn vanish, and only this remains

04:41:47 asciilifeform: ending up called 'DERP', or 'derivative porn'

04:42:10 asciilifeform: age of consent raised to 46, so all ordinary porn is forbidden

04:42:10 asciilifeform: and so what remains is 'porn' with films of the censor's faces

04:42:32 asciilifeform: viewing the forbidden.

04:42:59 cads: wait were the faces edited over the actors'

04:43:03 mircea_popescu: cads http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OBlgSz8sSM << 660mn views.

04:43:14 asciilifeform: people then frequent quasi-illicit Derp viewings.

04:43:36 mircea_popescu: i could continue but w/e.

04:44:26 cads: mircea_popescu: Bahaha.

04:44:58 cads: I'll leave it up to you to decide what type of logical fallacy you made by throwing Charlie Bit My Finger against the work of a singe avant garde fetish photographer. :D

04:45:01 asciilifeform: cads: in the tale? nope. just censors viewing That Which Is To Be Deleted

04:45:19 asciilifeform: and grimacing suggestively

04:45:19 asciilifeform: at least, as i recall.

04:46:13 mircea_popescu: cads no, you did. "the 9 videos in the series got 20 million views"

04:46:28 mircea_popescu: i merely showed how that idiocy reduces to the absurd.

04:47:01 cads: An average of 2 million views per video is an impressive metric for an internet personality.

04:47:03 mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a "view" and consequently nohing there to count.

04:47:26 asciilifeform: recently saw a winblows trojan turd which loaded some unknown porn vid

04:47:26 mircea_popescu: and hence nothing impressive in it.

04:47:29 asciilifeform: (primitive 'click fraud')

04:47:52 cads: mircea_popescu is not impressed, guys

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04:48:49 cads: For the agents in an attention economy, those are important metrics.

04:48:52 mircea_popescu: nono, i'm impressed, deeply, just, there's nothing there to be impressive k ?

04:49:00 mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as an attention econonmy.

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04:53:10 cads: Okay, so lets start at the bottom. The claim there are no youtube views. Youtube clearly provides analytics on the number of visitors to a page. So are we saying these numbers are fabricated by youtube or third part 'view providers? Or that youtube views don't actually record how much attention someone payed to a video, whether they really watched it, etc.

04:53:34 mircea_popescu: cads i can make a webpage publishing arbitrary numbers.

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04:53:45 mircea_popescu: in fact back in the lycos/infoseek/geocities days most everyone did.

04:53:46 cads: In the second and first cases I would point out that marketing companies trust view statistics.

04:53:55 cads: So people pay for views and they're real.

04:53:59 mircea_popescu: marketing companies do not trust view statisticsa,

04:54:09 mircea_popescu: they simply use that particular bezzle to defraud whoever's so inclined.

04:54:25 mircea_popescu: there's nothing particularly wrong with being a fraudster, i guess, until you end up believing your own crap.

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04:55:12 mircea_popescu: all this aside : putting "views" next to a number does not transform the number into a measure

04:55:37 asciilifeform: cads: pick up one of google's '$100 off' coupons and see for yourself what it is the chumps pay for

04:55:38 cads: right, we must trust the entity measuring the views and the method of measuring them.

04:55:38 mircea_popescu: nor are you at liberty to imagine the symbol views denotes whatever definition you may happen to allocate it.

04:55:53 mircea_popescu: first and foremost we must agree these "views" are a thing.

04:56:06 mircea_popescu: you can only measure that which is thing.

04:56:31 cads: okay

04:56:55 cads: so with multiple servers serving the same content it becomes a nontrivial task to syncronize the correct number, first

04:57:09 mircea_popescu: all this dovetails neatly, of course, into our earlier kabbalah discussion,

04:57:29 mircea_popescu: but i would like to add the observation that according to the 1800s crowd, patent medicine was actually useful, actually valuable and actually working.

04:57:36 asciilifeform: for some reason, i can't help but remember the american moneyed idiot who proclaimed that tv watchers who get up to piss during ads are committing fraud.

04:57:42 mircea_popescu: and its forbidding a serious abuse of the state power against individual sovereignity

04:57:52 mircea_popescu: a view which is actulaly getting a slight resurgence these days.

04:58:01 mircea_popescu: (promoted by interested parties, of course, which is to say scammors)

04:58:20 asciilifeform: hell, it actually worked - with opium in every bottle

04:58:32 mircea_popescu: opium provides no health benefits tho

04:58:46 asciilifeform: arguably a better deal than what today's hucksters are pushing, regardless

04:58:52 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

04:58:56 mircea_popescu: very much depends on what you're buying,.

04:59:02 mircea_popescu: much like say, closer to home, silicone.

04:59:11 mircea_popescu: you can get excellent chips

04:59:14 mircea_popescu: or you could get crud.

04:59:51 asciilifeform: can't resist pointing out that, at least on this side of the atlantic, 'silicone' refers exclusively to the type of rubber sold under that name

04:59:53 mircea_popescu: now the people who have no idea about electronics regularly buy whatever someone;s telling them to.

04:59:57 cads: mircea_popescu: at some level I feel you are saying that it absolutely does not matter that people spent an estimated 34 million minutes looking at this single artist's work, if only because we can't trust those estimates at all.

04:59:59 mircea_popescu: a sorry.

05:00:25 mircea_popescu: cads that is a slightly different discussion, and in no way related to "views".

05:00:25 asciilifeform: naggum's 4-ring binders

05:00:30 asciilifeform: 'lemon car' theorem, etc.

05:00:39 mircea_popescu: and that different discussion i will appoach from the following different angle :

05:01:02 mircea_popescu: would you consider more important the mona lisa or an equally large, equally well made unknown painting certainly made by da vinci ?

05:01:05 asciilifeform: cads: even a rookie spammer can easily arrange a million 'views' of whatever.

05:01:21 mircea_popescu: the mona lisa people have spenbt 45804958609458609458609845045809845 minutes watching.

05:01:26 mircea_popescu: this unknow painting, 845.

05:01:30 mircea_popescu: which is the more important ?

05:02:28 mircea_popescu: who the fuck sits in museums with a clicker doing cezanne vs caravaggio minutemanview competition ?

05:02:43 mircea_popescu: why not compare movies by the gross weight of tit watching them ?

05:02:51 cads: in the landscape of the possible human experience time is the only scarce resource, so if in /this/ universe people have spent more time experiencing the first art work, then I am willing to say this is more "important"

05:02:56 mircea_popescu: the oscars this year totals films watched by 48599 tons of tit fat.

05:03:20 mircea_popescu: so if i were to give you one of the two, you'd pick the mona lisa ?

05:03:39 asciilifeform: reason i mentioned google's widget, is that the chumps pay manyfold for 'conversions' (term of art)

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05:03:56 asciilifeform: i.e. 'victims' who do not merely click the ad, but go on to buy something

05:04:02 mircea_popescu: right.

05:04:19 mircea_popescu: how the fuck would time be a scarce resource anyway.

05:04:24 asciilifeform: the type of fool that pays for mere click is not entirely extinct, however.

05:04:27 mircea_popescu: the people who do views have nothing else to do with their time

05:04:31 mircea_popescu: that's why they're there.

05:04:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform slowly dieing out, like the email spammer.

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05:05:24 cads: mircea_popescu: I'm merely saying one work has influenced far more human experience, thoughts, and ultimately economic action.

05:05:50 mircea_popescu: maybe it has.

05:05:58 mircea_popescu: except the point of art is that it doesn't work like commerce.

05:06:06 mircea_popescu: maybe the unseen painting also has. for what we know...

05:06:27 cads: art works like a popularity contest

05:06:32 mircea_popescu: naw.

05:06:43 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters what is art

05:06:44 gribble: What is art ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2013/what-is-art/; Art over time, a graph of progress. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/art-over-time-a-graph-of-progress/; WhoMerLock :: A Trio of Trilemmas by GMYuna on deviantART: http://gmyuna.deviantart.com/art/WhoMerLock-A-Trio-of-Trilemmas-424265034

05:06:45 mircea_popescu: i need a ;;fraudsters

05:06:51 mircea_popescu: ffs this thing sucks.

05:06:58 cads: not a competition of provision of real valued, but a competition to earn human sentiment

05:07:02 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/what-is-art/

05:07:03 ozbot: What is art ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

05:07:13 mircea_popescu: there, share it with the feminists, it'll make them like me, much to their detriment.

05:10:03 cads: I'm not going to argue what is art, I'm interested in how artists earn money, and I'm having a hard time believing that the amount of money that an artist earns does not _strongly_ correlate with the amount of attention that others give him.

05:10:13 cads: how can that claim be sustained?

05:11:26 cads: okay

05:11:36 mircea_popescu: the amount an artist earns strictly correlates with how powerful his lord is

05:11:39 mircea_popescu: and how well he serves him.

05:11:41 mircea_popescu: s'all.

05:12:26 cads: I can think of many artists that make livings working in larger studios

05:12:42 cads: for commercial work - entertainment, marketing, design

05:12:44 mircea_popescu: i can think of many ways people structure deals to avoid tax.

05:13:09 cads: these artists do /not/ recieve attention

05:13:20 mircea_popescu: yes they do, it's just not nominalized.

05:13:23 cads: and they in fact do better than artists that try to make their living purely on their art

05:13:41 mircea_popescu: the ronin ":artist" is merely a rebellious peasant.

05:13:42 cads: which would seem to sustain the claim that earning do not correlate to attention

05:13:50 mircea_popescu: no matter how he tries to fake the pretense of being an actual artist.

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05:17:59 Namworld: This is the best thing ever...

05:18:11 Namworld: +25% to under -50%

05:18:27 cads: I think that's very cynical, and more of a moral issue.. do you think it's wrong or weak for someone to try to make a living as an artist?

05:18:38 mircea_popescu: i think it's confused.

05:18:43 cads: Stupid? Patently.

05:18:56 mircea_popescu: do you think it's wrong or weak for someone to make a living as an electric engineer specialised in pottery ?

05:19:12 cads: Sure

05:19:13 mircea_popescu: or a word mathematician ?

05:19:20 mircea_popescu: (like, say, a kabbalist)

05:19:26 cads: what the fuck are you doing with yourself then :D

05:19:30 mircea_popescu: it's ridiculously misguided.

05:19:39 mircea_popescu: lol

05:19:48 Namworld: What's the issue with someone making a living as an artist?

05:20:02 mircea_popescu: you'll have to read teh log, argument started centuries ago.

05:20:02 Namworld: I must be missing something.

05:20:03 cads: Expected ROI

05:20:07 cads: for one.

05:20:24 asciilifeform: reduces to a search for the right moneyed fool (e.g. reportedly, kabbalists do find employment in israel)

05:20:34 mircea_popescu: cads picture a chick showing up to the sky olympics with toothpics for sticks.

05:20:34 Namworld: Oh... well I guess few makes it.

05:20:52 Namworld: But "artist" encompass a lot of people and careers...

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05:21:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the john is not a fool, he's buying something for his money.

05:21:53 cads: okay, so I understand, kabbalists and artists are our public enemy so lets not be impressed with them

05:21:58 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH56xkdUwmM

05:21:59 ozbot: Pulp Fiction Bad Mother wallet restaurant scene Jules - YouTube

05:22:11 mircea_popescu: eh you understand nothing!

05:22:25 cads: in the same sense that we must never expound the virtues of a song about selling crack

05:22:32 mircea_popescu: bah fucking youtube.

05:22:39 cads: even if it is awesome and has done interesting things in the market :D

05:23:25 Namworld: Artists are our public enemy?

05:23:30 Namworld: What?

05:23:35 cads: I was being facetious.

05:24:17 cads: I want to talk about the econmics of how artists earn their sentiment, and we seem to feel that artists deserve only shitty sentiment because they're shysters that troll for a handout.

05:24:41 cads: And "click, whirr" the automatic thoughts now prevent us from applying economic modelling to this agent class

05:24:52 Namworld: earn their sentiment?

05:25:11 mircea_popescu: "jules, you give that fucking nimrod fifteen hundred dollars i'll shoot him on general principle" "now... I ain't giving it to him Vincent. I'm buyin' something for my money. Wanna know what I'm buyin' Ringo ?

05:25:11 mircea_popescu: "What ?"

05:25:11 mircea_popescu: "Your life."

05:25:12 mircea_popescu: bout it.

05:25:37 MisterE: poetry

05:25:38 mircea_popescu: cads you have no modelling, there is no economy and no sentiment. fugeddaboutit.

05:26:08 Namworld: What is going on here?

05:26:28 MisterE: we're just about to bring in the gimp I think

05:26:39 mircea_popescu: nah we already had the gimp

05:26:44 mircea_popescu: he's off building an exchange.

05:26:49 cads: hehe, this is how mircea_popescu and I say "I love you"

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05:27:47 cads: haha, and I'm basically arguing that we can make human attention fungible and this is a horror scenario because that means the marketing firms win.

05:27:53 mircea_popescu: no.

05:28:10 mircea_popescu: you are arguing that people are interchangeable, which is broken in the way socialism generally is broken.

05:28:13 mircea_popescu: nothing human is fungible.

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05:28:19 Namworld: We can? What?

05:28:41 mircea_popescu: only the inhuman parts are fungible.

05:28:50 mircea_popescu: this is how you know you are not your liver.

05:30:14 mircea_popescu: that said, you can infinitely confuse yourself with "newer" and "never" repackagings of but wait look! i have built a perpetuum mobile, i have redressed socialism so now it works etc.

05:30:27 mircea_popescu: i have no objection to the activity, but it doth amuse on one hand and fail to entice o nthe other.

05:31:51 Namworld: I'm pretty sure my humans aren't fungible. Some of my subjects are worth more. They'd cost you more for me to be willing to depart with them.

05:32:42 cads: Suppose I have attempted to construct a system where my clients can pay well defined amounts of money to predictably add and remove beliefs from a group of people. It's worked - I've both started and ended revolutions, political movements, market crazes... in a number of countries.

05:33:05 mircea_popescu: okay.

05:34:32 mircea_popescu: Namworld better go searching for moistened bints.

05:35:51 Namworld: That is a valid alternative.

05:35:55 cads: ehh, that scenario is too imaginary

05:36:03 mircea_popescu: lol caught yourself in your own web huh.

05:36:54 cads: the scenario is too tacky to think about :D

05:36:58 ThickAsThieves: catching up on log, but cads, Cloud Atlas was pretty lame

05:37:08 mircea_popescu: stop repressing him

05:37:20 mircea_popescu: he's like... trying to sniff emancipated, unshaven cunt

05:37:35 asciilifeform: cloud atlas! another cheap sf flick with the bomb collars!

05:37:38 asciilifeform: always the bomb collars.

05:37:44 asciilifeform: hollywood seems to love them.

05:37:47 cads: ah, warn copumpkin

05:38:03 copumpkin: watching it now

05:38:04 copumpkin: ssh

05:38:14 cads: the man has committed

05:38:14 mircea_popescu: you ssh ing into a film ?!

05:38:23 copumpkin: yeah, I have an ascii art video player

05:38:29 asciilifeform: ssh -X

05:38:29 copumpkin: works fine if you configure your terminal correctly

05:38:32 copumpkin: no

05:38:36 cads: hehe mircea_popescu you

05:38:40 copumpkin: not enough bandwidth for X forwarding of video

05:38:43 mircea_popescu: "easy to use if you know what you are doing"

05:38:46 cads: 're an ass :D

05:38:56 copumpkin: cads: you're just now realizing?

05:39:02 cads: course not!

05:39:04 copumpkin: the guy's internet famous for it

05:39:06 copumpkin: :)

05:39:09 mircea_popescu: he's only now started the sniffing.

05:39:17 mircea_popescu: pubertee :D

05:39:21 copumpkin: hah

05:39:23 copumpkin: anyway, back to movie

05:39:27 copumpkin: this thing isn't going to watch itself

05:39:45 mircea_popescu: buy a cozy and a ceramic bracelet on etzy while at it.

05:39:50 mircea_popescu: feed a starving virgin!

05:40:40 asciilifeform: it's a 'good bad film.' i recommend it.

05:41:19 mircea_popescu: i just realised we could make a pretty decent -assets mockumentary

05:41:23 asciilifeform: (in the sense of mr. o's essay on 'good bad books')

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05:43:08 cads: mircea_popescu: I will remember that people can make you reject any economic theory simply by saying the word "feminism" 10 minutes before presenting it :D

05:43:24 mircea_popescu: im the foremost feminist here, i'll have you know.

05:43:51 mircea_popescu: (no trollo)

05:43:52 chetty: ppffttt

05:43:57 cads: not a surprise for a slave master to be the feminist of an internet bunch :D

05:45:16 B007: I got accused of being a feminist only once. By a girl.

05:47:19 chetty: current definition of term 'feminist' makes it an insult ya know :P

05:47:28 cads: I like some feminist stuff but I also like knockers

05:48:46 cads: in america at least, dudes that call themselves feminists are mostly women hating bro creeps hiding behind the label

05:49:44 mircea_popescu: srsly ?

05:49:52 cads: yeah it became a thing

05:50:01 mircea_popescu: i thought us male feminists were mostly... you know, dudes that can't otherwise date.

05:50:27 mircea_popescu: shy marginally autistic repressed twentysomethings.

05:50:31 cads: right it has become rapey bros

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05:50:54 cads: hey I'm a shy marginally autistic repressed twentysomething!

05:51:02 cads: what are ya getting at! :D

05:51:06 mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm the sort of feminist that torns irigaray to shreds because she's too stupid to live and gives a bad name to the entire thing.

05:51:09 mircea_popescu: sort-of like amir taaki.

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05:52:22 cads: there's this neat defense

05:52:35 cads: "It wasn't rape. I'm a feminist"

05:52:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11840 @ 0.00087647 = 10.3774 BTC [+]

05:52:54 mircea_popescu: how does that work ?

05:53:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, to help this discussion along,

05:53:01 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ulqxAlJW1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

05:53:27 cads: a man will rape a woman and then claim what happened could not have been rape. He's a feminist.

05:53:32 cads: He's so hurt now.

05:53:44 mircea_popescu: uh

05:53:54 mircea_popescu: this is bizarre.

05:54:07 cads: He loves women. He's DONE things for the cause. How can this cunt thing he fucking raped her?

05:54:12 cads: think*

05:54:46 mircea_popescu: would this be one of those ambiguous episode kids get involved in that are currently mislabeled as "rape" in the us ?

05:54:59 mircea_popescu: such as get drunk at party, fuck, don't remember much in the morning ?

05:55:24 B007: lol

05:55:26 B007: no

05:55:28 nicknock_: well if you feel regret you can always dump a rape charge at the guy

05:55:57 nicknock_: the female option

05:58:27 cads: mircea_popescu: http://kieselaymon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tumblr_lsslmrbk001r4vn34o1_500.jpg

05:58:43 KRS-One: .bait

05:58:44 mircea_popescu: ajajaa

05:58:45 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/9c166611571c2fb0c370a201ed468f1f/tumblr_myr1ixjviu1smfwvpo1_500.jpg

05:59:13 cads: mircea_popescu: hey, cute pic, if I cross my eyes I can almost see her in 3d :D

05:59:29 mircea_popescu: is "gender is a social construct" supposed to excuse her lack of heels or something ?

05:59:48 mircea_popescu: cads yeah the grandiose photochop job is better than the girl.

06:03:00 BingoBoingo: Oh, happy birthday to me!

06:03:39 mircea_popescu: for his a bingo good booingo!

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06:04:57 BingoBoingo: I still have to decide what to get myself.

06:06:01 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcsfl6nH4i1reu145o1_500.gif ?

06:06:50 BingoBoingo: Maybe? I'll probably just get myself some scotch.

06:08:18 BingoBoingo: Or some nice wool socks.

06:11:47 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> buy a cozy and a ceramic bracelet on etzy while at it.

06:12:12 mircea_popescu: i will never know why they eschewed naming the thing chintzy

06:12:17 chetty: actually rape is a social construct then - no gender = no rape :P

06:12:33 cazalla: check yo priviledge

06:12:40 mircea_popescu: no woman no cry

06:12:41 cazalla: privilege even

06:12:53 BingoBoingo: Chintzy might be a good name for a BTC etsy.

06:13:16 mircea_popescu: guy walks into a bank "hell-o, i'd like to open a checking account"

06:13:31 mircea_popescu: "what for ? you look like one of those bums with delusions of academia"

06:13:39 mircea_popescu: "nevertheless, i would like to check my privilege"

06:19:46 cads: "Lack game? Try this formula: mention x feminist theorist, y lamentation about political issue that attacks women?s rights, z assertion about sexual consent. That tactic alone may work on someone, and that?s utterly scary."

06:19:51 cads: bahaha

06:19:55 cads: also this

06:19:58 cads: "In my ideal world, the misogynists would be ultra-detectable, with facial pocks and sulfury odors and grunt ?wiggle your glazed donut ass for me.? "

06:20:57 mircea_popescu: da fuck.

06:21:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1281 @ 0.00023839 = 0.3054 BTC [-] {9}

06:21:09 mircea_popescu: so if i make girls twerk i'm a mysogynist ?

06:24:11 mircea_popescu: nm, Minh Nguyen fails to be hot and therefore her rambling is irrelephant.

06:24:26 cads: hehe, you are a parody of yourself :)

06:24:36 mircea_popescu: this is how you know i'm a feminist!

06:24:40 mircea_popescu: um wait...

06:25:10 cads: the universe has a human parody operator and you are its fixpoint :)

06:26:08 mircea_popescu: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=4

06:26:09 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

06:27:08 cads: I feel for what she says, and I think she's naive in only one thing

06:27:39 cads: her two male paradongs of perfect sexism free maleness

06:27:48 cads: do not exist

06:28:02 mircea_popescu: if i were surounded by douchy us twennysomething as a woman young enough to wish to get laid... frankly i dunno i'd find the time to write

06:28:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0704 = 0.1408 BTC [+] {2}

06:28:16 mircea_popescu: what with all the reload flamethrower, throw away empty fuel cartridge, reload flamethrower...

06:29:03 herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves, Bunnyh just got email from Luke-Jr, patch seems good, hope it helps

06:29:03 mircea_popescu: this however has nothing to do with sexism, feminism, cultural, social, constructs and so forth.

06:29:45 cads: btw who is the originator of the social construct BS?

06:30:30 mircea_popescu: cads saussure, probably.

06:30:43 cads: it's... essentially right but leads people to conclude what is merely a social construct doesn't actually exist so it should be possible in /theory/ to completely dispell that what was a construct.

06:30:48 cads: with another construct

06:30:55 cads: presumably

06:31:10 mircea_popescu: nah that's not it.

06:31:12 cads: but more often with "the truth", at least if you dig at it.

06:31:25 mircea_popescu: it leads people to imagine that it was "constructed", which is a pedestrian interpretation of the term of art,

06:31:51 mircea_popescu: and thus simultaneously casts blame, upon the politically convenient targets of ostracism (ie, actual males, actual females, anyone not fucktarded)

06:32:02 cads: right, the builders

06:32:15 mircea_popescu: and offers a seeming basis for further nuttery (ie, that a "better" construct could be constructed. on etsy.)

06:32:42 mircea_popescu: it's really just a slightly more iq-amped way of being emo.

06:33:51 mircea_popescu: on re-read we don;t disagree.

06:35:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, the entirety of what passes for "social sciences" in the us these days can broadly be divided without remained into the emo ("i am special because i am chiefly only interested in myself and let me tell you about myself which is important because i am special bla bla bla")

06:35:44 mircea_popescu: and goffy, which is "look at all the neat shit i don't understand that i've randomly collected mostly by breaking old stuff apart with a hammer"

06:36:32 cads: and the creepy, "look we can predict crimes before they happen by monitoring unsent drafts on facebook"

06:36:45 mircea_popescu: one of the funniest things to watch is a goffy and an emo chick being interested in the same dood.

06:36:58 cazalla: where do you see that

06:37:03 mircea_popescu: used to be the only attraction of livejournal.

06:37:16 cads: cazalla: you DON'T see that

06:37:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.000876 = 35.04 BTC [-] {3}

06:37:23 mircea_popescu: (which was fb before fb)

06:37:26 cads: but you know it's there

06:37:33 cazalla: i use to have an LJ back in the day :P

06:37:56 mircea_popescu: i never did but i read some of my slaves' ljs from back in the day

06:38:01 mircea_popescu: mucho humiliatory.

06:38:03 cazalla: met a girl on there, thought she would have sex with me if i made an LJ too, gee how naive

06:38:20 mircea_popescu: also quite instructive for me.

06:38:34 benkay: what did you learn?

06:39:16 cads: jesus why the fuck can't we have distributed publicly owned web service assets?!

06:39:44 cads: People use LJ for private journals because it has privacy controls

06:39:49 mircea_popescu: benkay just enriched my personal sottisier.

06:40:05 cads: till their incompetent IT department leaks the firm's key hash database

06:49:30 benkay: wow pankkake venus is some brilliance

06:50:47 benkay: holy fucknuggets venus is illmatic

06:50:57 benkay: makes me want to run my own aggregation channel

06:51:27 benkay: or curate a republication of a bunch of feeds

06:51:43 benkay: no no no kid focus focus kid there are far more important things

06:53:31 mircea_popescu: what venus ?

06:54:06 benkay: http://intertwingly.net/code/venus/

06:54:07 ozbot: Planet Venus source code

06:54:18 benkay: rss thinger

06:54:27 benkay: slash other stuff

06:54:29 benkay: probably sucks

06:54:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00087082 = 10.624 BTC [-] {4}

06:54:41 benkay: but man you know what else sucks? my rss story.

06:55:17 benkay: solution is not to implement venus actually but to fix rss in emacs

06:55:28 benkay: which i totally have time to and will do in the next decade

06:55:43 benkay: *flips table*

06:56:31 benkay: i'm going to go design a thing. computers suck.

06:59:17 mircea_popescu: oic

07:01:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.127 = 0.254 BTC [+] {2}

07:01:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

07:03:51 mircea_popescu: anyone care to help me build a sorted list of politically incorrect english words ?

07:03:56 mircea_popescu: nigger > faggot right ?

07:04:25 ThickAsThieves: greater at what?

07:04:31 mircea_popescu: at incorectness

07:04:40 ThickAsThieves: yeah

07:04:54 mircea_popescu: fatty next ? or anything before that ?

07:05:06 ThickAsThieves: this would take forever

07:05:11 mircea_popescu: i just need like the top 10

07:05:16 ThickAsThieves: lol

07:05:17 mircea_popescu: 5, something.

07:05:19 ThickAsThieves: cunt

07:05:27 mircea_popescu: cunt is not politically incorrect is it ?!

07:05:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1245 BTC [-]

07:05:52 ThickAsThieves: wtf is p i tho?

07:06:06 mircea_popescu: hm.

07:06:13 mircea_popescu: ok. hurtful.

07:06:18 mircea_popescu: the most HURTFUL words!

07:07:00 ThickAsThieves: i'm drawing a blank

07:07:09 ThickAsThieves: must be in a kind mood

07:07:12 mircea_popescu: my powem ;/

07:07:20 ThickAsThieves: slut?

07:07:31 ThickAsThieves: sandnigger?

07:07:34 dub: interseting problem

07:07:54 ThickAsThieves: mouthbreather?

07:08:04 dub: as a nigger I don't find it offensive, not a faggot so hard to judge

07:08:18 mircea_popescu: http://prototoast.blogspot.ro/2010/07/two-most-hurtful-words-in-english.html

07:08:18 ozbot: Blog-Mahoney: The two most hurtful words in the English language

07:08:20 mircea_popescu: god damned.

07:08:49 mircea_popescu: dub you're black now ?!

07:09:04 dub: since birth in fact

07:09:18 ThickAsThieves: that blog is retarded

07:09:25 ThickAsThieves: retard!

07:09:25 mircea_popescu: i had no idea.

07:09:31 mircea_popescu: o yeah retard. ty.

07:09:51 ThickAsThieves: dyke?

07:10:01 ThickAsThieves: rugmuncher?

07:10:15 ThickAsThieves: jew?

07:10:35 ThickAsThieves: greenhorn can be pretty insulting

07:10:37 mircea_popescu: jew is fine isn't it ?

07:10:59 mircea_popescu: should be something with the holocaust tho

07:11:02 mircea_popescu: maybe hebe ?

07:11:11 BingoBoingo: Kike

07:11:27 ThickAsThieves: slant

07:11:29 benkay: programmer

07:11:40 BingoBoingo: Gook

07:11:49 ThickAsThieves: thug, it's the new nigger

07:11:51 mircea_popescu: ahaha programmer

07:12:02 mircea_popescu: i wonder if hacker ever makes this list.

07:12:11 mircea_popescu: "don't be callin ma momma a hacker yo!"

07:12:22 ThickAsThieves: what hacker wants to be called a hacker?

07:12:25 BingoBoingo: Dago, potatonigger, Guido

07:12:40 ThickAsThieves: other than the pretender kind

07:12:40 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo its not that i want a long or exhaustive list,

07:12:57 mircea_popescu: i want it sorted. the internet is full of ambigfuous list. i want to see the fucking impolite middle class.

07:13:26 ThickAsThieves: my dad had a pretty bad word for nigger in portuguese

07:13:32 Duffer1: race based are some of the most loaded atm

07:13:33 ThickAsThieves: prete or something

07:13:39 ThickAsThieves: burnt piece of wood

07:13:58 chetty: I don't think it can be done, hurt is very sujective

07:14:08 Duffer1: especially those regarding black people and mexicans

07:14:24 ThickAsThieves: spic

07:14:31 BingoBoingo: Wetback, beaner

07:14:38 ThickAsThieves: i like beaner

07:14:46 ThickAsThieves: if i were mexican id take it

07:15:22 ThickAsThieves: wop

07:15:50 chetty: haha 'commie', long ago. Now I think its a compliment

07:16:08 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves maybe you could be a faux mexican

07:16:28 ThickAsThieves: its a running joke with the father in law

07:16:44 ThickAsThieves: cuz he's a redneck who cant tell the difference

07:16:51 ThickAsThieves: so i tell him to call me carlos

07:16:54 benkay: i use commie as an insult. it confuses people.

07:17:21 ThickAsThieves: "Gypped" is arguably the most commonly used racist term in existence today.

07:17:33 mircea_popescu: benkay it's always nice to yell when joining a large group "You pinko commie bastards!!!" with lively excitement

07:17:47 BingoBoingo: Some are more and less offensive on different sides of the atlantic. Spaz is fine in 'Murica and a Offensive in Britain. Cunt is the reverse (except when dealing with slants as a full rotation is out of the picture)

07:17:49 mircea_popescu: those 5 seconds while they try to decide if you're about to mow them down or it's a really funny joke are priceless.

07:18:13 benkay: yeah plus you get such great intel about all of them from their reactions i bet

07:18:33 ThickAsThieves: orgasm is pretty offensive to a lot of people

07:18:37 ThickAsThieves: many sex words

07:18:43 mircea_popescu: ya but those are all women

07:18:45 mircea_popescu: who cares.

07:19:01 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: In these parts I actually hear Jew'd about as often as Gyp'd

07:19:42 ThickAsThieves: yeah i think more people use gyp cuz they arent quite sure if its an insult

07:19:47 ThickAsThieves: whereas jew'd is pretty obv

07:20:17 ThickAsThieves: "guinea-rigged"

07:20:51 BingoBoingo: I almost forgot Guinea was a slur, fucking I-talians

07:20:58 mircea_popescu: guinea is a slur ?

07:21:06 ThickAsThieves: yeah, like wop

07:21:13 mircea_popescu: but it's a country name.

07:21:25 ThickAsThieves: its assoc with italians for some reason

07:21:51 mircea_popescu: ;;google guinea-bissau

07:21:51 gribble: Guinea-Bissau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea-Bissau; Guinea-Bissau - Central Intelligence Agency: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pu.html; BBC News - Guinea-Bissau profile - Overview: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13443186

07:22:31 ThickAsThieves: maybe it's another nigger word

07:22:39 ThickAsThieves: i havent heard it since i was a kidf

07:22:44 ThickAsThieves: from my dad of course

07:23:07 ThickAsThieves: i'm beginning to understand why i like rap so much

07:23:36 BingoBoingo: "Q: What do you call an Italian homosexual? A: A Guinea cocksucker." http://books.google.com/books?id=ZgN0XECF5U0C&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=Guinea+jokes+italian&source=bl&ots=GgC_l5FM1D&sig=qPk8jkJ4dS4QnzzQ0OMKSB3y-_M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OGcAU8HJAeLmyQHXuoG4BQ&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Guinea%20jokes%20italian&f=false

07:23:40 mircea_popescu: you like rap, dub likes dubstep, everyone with his own thing.

07:24:03 BingoBoingo: They even use guinea as a slur in The Godfather.

07:24:22 ThickAsThieves: italians probly got slaves from there

07:24:44 mircea_popescu: they were french colonies tho

07:24:56 mircea_popescu: and italians didn't use slaves really

07:25:05 BingoBoingo: Maybe the French weren't big fans of the Dagos.

07:25:06 mircea_popescu: except the sicilians have to this day a female slavery programme goin

07:25:19 ThickAsThieves: did they ship slaves tho?

07:25:32 mircea_popescu: only to the moors.

07:26:00 mircea_popescu: (fun fact : before the dutch started paying better, the black people were exporting slaves exclusively east, to yemen and other arabs)

07:26:04 Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: not sure you're involvement, but the change herbijudlestoids mentioned is merged now

07:26:08 Luke-Jr: your*

07:26:08 ThickAsThieves: my ancestors probly played a decent role in all that, being azorean

07:26:21 ThickAsThieves: word

07:26:27 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_moor

07:26:27 ozbot: Black Moor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

07:26:45 benkay: sicilian female slavery??

07:27:04 ThickAsThieves: "Tina Maze of Slovenia and Dominique Gisin of Switzerland finished the women's downhill event with the exact same time"

07:27:23 ThickAsThieves: must be a joke in there somewhere

07:29:50 BingoBoingo: Openex's ATC volume is down to under a hundredth of a BTC these past 24 hours. Trading on https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc still need to pick up the slack though.

07:30:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15802 @ 0.00087054 = 13.7563 BTC [-] {2}

07:30:15 ThickAsThieves: http://www.baystreet.ca/viewarticle.aspx?id=411977

07:30:16 ozbot: Baystreet.ca - ACCESSWIRE

07:30:24 ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin Exchange ‘Hitbtc’ Launches February 14th after $3M Investment

07:30:43 ThickAsThieves: those are guys mpoe-pr "see here'd"

07:31:53 cads: mircea_popescu: I did some reasearch about charlie bit me - turns out the advertising revenue (~$100K) let the father buy a new house.

07:32:24 mircea_popescu: whoa look at that, 600mn "views" yielded almost 100 btc.

07:32:28 mircea_popescu: a view is more than a hash!

07:32:47 mircea_popescu: ;;estimate 1000

07:32:48 gribble: (estimate takes no arguments) -- Shows next difficulty estimate.

07:33:06 mircea_popescu: ;;genrate 1000

07:33:07 gribble: The expected generation output, at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 2621404453.06, is 0.000191846212759 BTC per day and 7.9935921983e-06 BTC per hour.

07:33:59 mircea_popescu: ;;calc (10**9 * 24 * 3600)/0.000191846212759

07:34:00 gribble: 450360727780104448

07:34:16 mircea_popescu: 4.5e17 hashes per btc!

07:34:39 cads: "At one point in time, their father Howard Davies-Car stressed that he didn't want to commercialize on the boy's success but realized that unlicensed merchandise was being sold based on their video.[9] In response to requests from viewers online the family created "Charlie Bit My Finger" T-shirts, mugs and limited edition calendars.[2][31]"

07:35:19 mircea_popescu: so did the reader chicks get a new library yet ?

07:35:22 BingoBoingo: ;;genrate 440000000000

07:35:23 gribble: The expected generation output, at 4.4e+11 Mhps, given difficulty of 2621404453.06, is 84412.3336141 BTC per day and 3517.18056725 BTC per hour.

07:35:33 cads: and it's this next part that makes it seem completely scifi to me:

07:35:36 cads: "The family signed into a partnership with a video management company called Viral Spiral. Viral Spiral, a video management company specializing in viral videos, has helped place the video in advertisements for companies like Sprint and helped to create a brand.[23][32] There was also news of a web series featuring the boys in the works.[33]

07:35:36 cads: An app called "Charlie Bit Me!!!" was created for Apple and Android devices, developed by Viral Spiral and zGames.[34]"

07:35:37 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo watts != kwh

07:36:08 ThickAsThieves: create a brand, from a viral video...

07:36:25 mircea_popescu: kinda shows how worthless a brand is today.

07:37:04 benkay: barely put any effort in...

07:37:08 ThickAsThieves: it's like a branding singularity

07:37:21 benkay: "hit by the brandhammer"

07:37:21 ThickAsThieves: everything you do is your brand

07:37:23 benkay: made 100k

07:37:48 mircea_popescu: policeman sees guy pissing on a fencepost. "da fuck are you doing!" "branding"

07:38:03 ThickAsThieves: freedom of brand!

07:38:33 mircea_popescu: "honey tonight i'll brand the fuck out of your vagina." "and then i brandished it into her again"

07:39:06 ThickAsThieves: i wonder what they call hot ironing cattle now?

07:39:20 ThickAsThieves: viral hits?

07:39:45 ThickAsThieves: tattoos

07:39:49 cads: oh, hey

07:39:49 ThickAsThieves: cowtoos

07:39:56 cads: speaking of memes turning into brands

07:40:02 cads: wtf is up with dogecoin?!

07:40:26 cads: their market cap is way up! http://coinmarketcap.com/doge_30.html

07:40:31 ThickAsThieves: it's Field Day for Nobodies

07:40:55 mircea_popescu: cads "turning" is maybe a little much

07:41:36 ThickAsThieves: i suspect doge is owned by way less people than they appear

07:41:39 mircea_popescu: http://coinmarketcap.com/

07:41:40 ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Ripples Litecoin Peercoin DogeCoin Nxt Mastercoin C

07:41:47 ThickAsThieves: it's probly just a couple sock armies

07:41:47 mircea_popescu: dropped to 5 in the fantasy league.

07:41:58 BingoBoingo: If Doges are so great, why doesn't Sochi want them?

07:42:13 mircea_popescu: prolly next surpassed by next.

07:42:19 ThickAsThieves: lol there's 2m more doge than last time i looked!

07:42:28 ThickAsThieves: 2t*

07:42:45 mircea_popescu: MaxCoin -22% lmao

07:43:20 ThickAsThieves: i wonder how much money he'll pump in before he gives up

07:44:14 ThickAsThieves: ha i just went to check twitter

07:44:20 ThickAsThieves: and see mp doge tweet

07:44:24 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/434787967203160065

07:44:24 assbot: 123!

07:44:25 ozbot: Twitter / maxkeiser: Feels like a #maxcoin buy-program ...

07:44:46 cads: "An alternative cryptocurrency disrupting the already rather disrupting crypto market. MaxCoin Donations: mPQERLaEVcj1cMSMX5tyCcCdBeZCkm6GEK "

07:44:48 cazalla: speaking of doge, it was on aussie tv - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-13/the-new-aussie-crypto-currency-dogecoin-gives/5259088

07:44:49 cads: yeah yeah buddy

07:44:52 ThickAsThieves: jesus

07:44:55 ThickAsThieves: he said that?

07:44:57 ThickAsThieves: ugh

07:44:58 copumpkin: okay, that was quite the movie

07:45:00 cads: youre just trying to disrupt my wallet

07:45:36 mircea_popescu: dis rupting...

07:46:10 BingoBoingo: Maliciously rupturing?

07:46:20 BingoBoingo: Is Maxcoin a hernia?

07:46:33 ThickAsThieves: malleable anusactions

07:46:45 cads: Ah so when were prophets ever anything but shysters

07:46:56 cads: max has his followers

07:47:04 cads: aka chumps

07:47:31 cads: the only bad thing is I did not do it

07:47:56 cads: sad sad

07:48:08 ThickAsThieves: surely you can use a better name

07:48:10 ThickAsThieves: here i have one

07:48:16 ThickAsThieves: maximillions

07:48:19 cads: cadscoin

07:50:17 cads: Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 10h

07:50:17 cads: Financial regulators in US/UK and elsewhere want Bitcoin to stoop to their level, but it can't: it's not built that way.

07:50:19 cads: HAHAHAHA

07:50:30 cads: this guy is awesome

07:51:26 cads: this is a shyster and a hustler

07:51:41 ThickAsThieves: lol he also says "Saturday nights on Twitter a bit like streets of Paris in mid-August; nothing but drunks, homeless fools and drooling freaks."

07:51:43 cads: "America's Most Outrageous Political Pundit"

07:51:45 ThickAsThieves: on a saturday night

07:51:48 cads: ?REAAAALLLY?!"

07:52:04 cads: ThickAsThieves: lol

07:53:30 mircea_popescu: max cads ?

07:53:33 mircea_popescu: i say do not despair.

07:53:38 mircea_popescu: you have a future in like nascar.

07:54:13 Duffer1: oh snap

07:56:17 ThickAsThieves: you could find an acronym too

07:56:23 ThickAsThieves: like CADS

07:56:31 ThickAsThieves: currency and deposit system

07:56:33 ThickAsThieves: or such

07:58:06 cads: but I'm not sure how long

07:58:11 ThickAsThieves: the bet exists

07:58:14 cads: of course

07:58:15 ThickAsThieves: pretty much

07:58:25 ThickAsThieves: http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/

07:58:28 ozbot: BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization

07:58:55 benkay: "start out crazy long shots, end up nailbiters"

07:59:11 cads: http://bitbet.us/bet/687/pussy-riot-to-announce-tour-dates-before-feb/

07:59:12 ozbot: BitBet - Pussy Riot to announce tour dates before Feb 15th

07:59:14 benkay: there's some money in that dump

07:59:17 cads: ahaha

07:59:17 benkay: er, pump

07:59:33 cads: I dunno if there will be any touring for pussy riot

07:59:48 ThickAsThieves: there's like a legion of em no?

07:59:56 cads: like 5

08:00:17 cads: that just kicked out the two members that actually did time for the group

08:00:41 cads: because they want to remain an anonymous collective if criminals

08:00:42 mircea_popescu: tit envy ?

08:00:43 cads: of*

08:00:57 mircea_popescu: some of the chicks actually had nice tits

08:01:00 cads: I dunno, political suicide in either case imo

08:01:02 ThickAsThieves: clit envy

08:01:06 mircea_popescu: sadly, they were visibly stupid and never got promoted much

08:01:46 ThickAsThieves: there was the pretty one, the lesbian one, and the frizzy mommy

08:01:57 ThickAsThieves: a regular Destinys Child in the making

08:02:06 cads: I mean they could have gone around the world singing "Virgin Mary, put Putin away" and people would have loved it

08:02:36 cads: and the world would heap even more pressure and loathing on russia

08:02:41 cads: maybe they felt this would mean nothing

08:02:43 mircea_popescu: wait, is the pussy riot the ukrainian bunch or the russian bunch ?

08:02:50 ThickAsThieves: russian

08:03:21 cads: remember the russian girls that got arrested for holding an illegal concert on the stairs of the orthodox church

08:04:00 mircea_popescu: http://theaerogram.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/mw.voice_.fb_.jpg

08:04:46 ThickAsThieves: Femen stole our voice, so we only write on signs now

08:05:21 mircea_popescu: also stole their tits.

08:05:32 mircea_popescu: that'd have been way better.

08:05:44 mircea_popescu: "Femen stole our tits, so we have to take it in the ass now"

08:05:48 mircea_popescu: "It hurts."

08:06:24 ThickAsThieves: Our rights have been "impacted"

08:07:10 mircea_popescu: hahaha

08:07:28 ThickAsThieves: https://www.tradingview.com/x/3sJjjkXD/

08:08:04 mircea_popescu: subtle proctological jokes, an -assets specialty.

08:10:44 cads: ThickAsThieves: I love how us bitcoin analysts use such powerful technical indicators as... rocket ships :)

08:12:05 mircea_popescu: rocketsheep!

08:12:18 cads: although I won't doubt its persuasive power

08:12:24 cads: for I felt it

08:12:25 cads: ;)

08:12:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.123925 = 0.4957 BTC [-] {2}

08:14:26 cads: oh you guys do know that at one point english writing spelled the S sound with an F

08:14:36 cads: Hence "Femen stole our voice"

08:14:59 cads: is a naughty statement

08:15:47 Namworld: A friend of a friend wants to film me eating one of the hottest peppers in the world. If I don't die, he'll try it himself. What?

08:15:53 Namworld: Guess it can't be too bad.

08:16:12 Namworld: Sounds like fun.

08:16:32 cads: femen is a feminist group waging things such as a "topless jihad"

08:17:09 cads: Namworld: your friend is an evil bastard

08:17:45 cads: since I'm an evil bastard I encourage you to follow his heed!

08:17:47 mircea_popescu: semen ftole our fanny ?

08:17:56 Namworld: No. Me and my friends are evil bastards. I'll act like it's nothing and then we'll see his reaction.

08:18:10 cads: semen stole our voice. all we could make was gargling sounds

08:18:29 mircea_popescu: omfg.

08:18:40 mircea_popescu: dystopia : semen actually renders women mute.

08:18:49 mircea_popescu: some are happily and thus quietly married

08:18:52 mircea_popescu: the rest are feminists.

08:18:54 mircea_popescu: ~ fin ~

08:18:59 Namworld: I already tasted stuff ranked ~1 million on the Scoville scale without flinching.

08:19:17 Namworld: I'll make it look like it's nothing.

08:19:47 cads: Namworld: is there any way you can license the video for distribution to -assets?

08:20:11 cads: also your bastard friend's wimpy reaction :D

08:20:17 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo once btc goes up enough i guess you'll have to graduate from pens to peppers.

08:20:54 Namworld: The guy asked my friend because he needed someone to try before him. My friend proposed me, because he thought it would be fun. =P

08:21:11 Namworld: It was my understanding the guy wanted to put it on youtube.

08:21:11 mircea_popescu: so none of you have girlfriends ?

08:21:45 cads: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/femen040413/s_f01_65431732.jpg

08:21:50 Namworld: I don't, mircea.

08:22:02 Duffer1: >.<

08:22:11 mircea_popescu: cads that guy looks like the vagina dentata bit his finger.

08:22:21 mircea_popescu: should we call spiral bacterial or w/e it was ?

08:22:26 cads: his expression is hilarious

08:22:48 Namworld: lol cads

08:24:02 Namworld: I'll keep you updated, cads

08:26:28 cads: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/femen040413/s_f15_65342447.jpg

08:26:50 cads: hell yea! it looks like this girl just uppercutted the fuck out of this old man

08:27:33 cads: Truth: "A man kicks a topless Femen activist, as she raises her fist to protest against Islamists in front of the Great Mosque of Paris"

08:27:45 cads: I like the original interpretation

08:29:08 cads: it might be self selection bias but I notice none of these topless warriors are ugly - they're mostly slim and perky

08:29:21 cads: http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/femen-stages-a-topless-jihad/100487/

08:29:22 ozbot: Femen Stages a 'Topless Jihad' - In Focus - The Atlantic

08:30:16 cads: this officer looks like he's seen some shit and this takes the cake 15

08:30:16 cads: A man kicks a topless Femen activist, as she raises her fist to protest against Islamists in front of the Great Mosque of Paris

08:30:19 cads: err

08:30:29 cads: wrong paste buffer

08:30:36 cads: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/femen040413/s_f23_0RTXY7ZU.jpg

08:31:57 cads: one does not belong: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/femen040413/s_f30_65431623.jpg

08:33:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00086877 = 1.1294 BTC [-]

08:36:06 mircea_popescu: the fatty or the titless ?

08:36:08 cads: hey, has anyone studied Kolmogorov's classic "Foundations of Probability Theory"?

08:36:43 cazalla: at least they are against mudslimes

08:37:09 mircea_popescu: hahaha

08:39:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe.

08:42:00 cads: hmm

08:43:31 cads: "[..]"attention bonds," small warranties that some information will not be a waste of the recipient's time placed into escrow at the time of sending[..]"

08:43:54 cads: "receivers could cash in their bonds to signal to the sender that a given communication was a waste of their time or elect not to cash them in to signal that more communication would be welcome."

08:44:13 cads: this is a proposed system for reducing spam

08:44:17 cads: can we do this with bitcoin?

08:46:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9484 @ 0.00087274 = 8.2771 BTC [+] {2}

08:46:35 mircea_popescu: so these are the stamps basically ?

08:46:55 cads: If you wanna comment on my blog, or drop a message in my website's inbox, say, you must give to an escrow

08:47:00 mircea_popescu: mail server automatically rejects all email that doesn't come with btc.

08:47:26 cads: then at any time I can exercise the right to claim the credits to punish spammers and trolls

08:47:41 cads: I dare not claim the credits of any valued readers

08:47:57 cads: lest my readership diminish

08:49:35 cads: it would be harder to implement for email but much easier for personal websites

08:50:22 mircea_popescu: the fraudsters credits system seems quite sufficient really.

08:54:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9079 @ 0.00086793 = 7.8799 BTC [-] {4}

08:56:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00086659 = 5.6328 BTC [-] {2}

09:01:47 benkay: never put into the blockchain that which you can handle on your own machines.

09:03:47 jurov: http://xman.idnes.cz/foto.aspx?r=&c=A140206_105614_xman-styl_fro&foto=FRO51112d_Z_profimedia_0183244550.jpg for bait lovers

09:07:26 cads: drunk white redneck at an intersection next to a car full of black teenagers playing their music loud. Man starts arguing with the kids about the music, gets out of car. Argument ensues, man takes out gun an fires into the car. one kid is dead, the others uninjured.

09:08:16 cads: at trial the man's defense is that the kid menaced him with a gun. No gun is found at the scene and the defense argues that it is the state's burden to prove the gun was there.

09:08:37 cads: The jury convicts him on 3 counts of second degree attempted murder for the passengers

09:09:19 cads: and a count of firing into a vehicle

09:09:33 cads: but cannot come to a decision on the first degree murder charge against kid

09:09:50 cads: the judge instructs them that they may choose a lesser charge - 2nd degree, or manslaughter

09:10:03 cads: but they hang and a mistrial is declared

09:10:18 Namworld: Whut?

09:11:10 cads: this is a case for a shooting that happening in florida while the zimmerman trial/circus was going on

09:11:18 cads: a man named micheal dunn

09:11:57 cads: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fatlantablackstar.com%2F2014%2F02%2F11%2Fprosecution-rests-case-murder-trial-michael-dunn-accused-killer-jordan-davis%2F&h=0&w=0&sz=1&tbnid=8sXFi_avG17bvM&tbnh=189&tbnw=267&zoom=1&docid=87r38dkSEbXN7M&ei=1YAAU6SuHMTAkQfgqYCoDQ&ved=0CAgQsCUoAg

09:12:08 cads: slimy looking redneck fuck if there was one...

09:12:23 cazalla: man needs a purple heart

09:12:26 Namworld: Looks like media can't cover stuff properly once again?

09:13:03 cads: Namworld: what you mean you're in the US?

09:13:04 cazalla: cads: you mean where they take a mugshot, which is likely the white mans worst day alive juxaposed with the nigras best day?

09:13:16 cazalla: too drunk to spell :\

09:13:25 Namworld: nope

09:13:31 Namworld: I'm not.

09:13:37 cads: fuck yourself cazalla of course they

09:13:39 cads: do

09:13:46 cads: what sort of stupid question is that

09:14:07 Namworld: All medias would do that.

09:15:13 cads: in the zimmerman trial you saw juxtapositions of zimmerman looking all wellkempt next to trayvon looking like a thug on one media source

09:15:33 cazalla: he was a thug

09:15:36 cads: and pictures of trayvon a couple years younger looking angelic, next to zimmerman looking like a pile of crap

09:15:59 cads: every black kid is a thug

09:16:24 cads: Namworld: you think this is international news?

09:16:58 cads: I don't see what would have made it hard to find him guilty of manslaughter

09:17:12 cazalla: cads: he came from a broken home, was wandering the streets at night, dealing drugs, it was only a matter of time until it happened

09:17:32 benkay: i kinda begin to see why satoshi banged the client like he did

09:17:43 benkay: banged the client *out*

09:17:49 cads: I also wonder if the other kids in the car would have had opportunity to hide the weapon

09:17:55 cazalla: not that i care for zimmerman but given the media made it a black vs white issue and that black on white violence is the real issue, i can't help but smile to see him 6 foot under

09:17:56 cads: if /my/ shooter just got killed

09:18:08 cads: the least I can do for him is take his tool

09:18:13 cads: and hide it from the cops

09:18:21 cads: give him some dignity, you know?

09:18:36 benkay: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: odds on the satoshi hoard moving to an unspendable address?

09:18:40 cazalla: perhaps they should listen to their music without disturbing the peace of others?

09:19:04 cazalla: there is nothing more rude than someone who plays their music within earshot of others and is oblivious to just how poor their taste is

09:19:43 cads: cazalla: but listen to yourself blithely say "well maybe they shouldn't annoy people", juxtaposed with the fact that a child was slaughtered.

09:20:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 579 @ 0.00086704 = 0.502 BTC [+]

09:20:07 cazalla: it is what it is

09:20:19 cads: if white kids annoyed people and some black dude did the deed what would happen

09:20:31 cazalla: it's too late to complain your loud music draws attention after the fact

09:20:54 Namworld: I mean zimmerman case was probably too covered vs other cases.

09:21:16 Namworld: I'm not in the US and I've heard about it.

09:21:18 cazalla: zimmerman was just a cheap shot at whites, anti-racism meaning anti-white type crap

09:21:43 cazalla: the perp need not even be white to make it a black vs white issue these days

09:22:08 cazalla: which is why i have little sympathy for shot up black hoodlums, they do a good enough job of killing each other than we don't even need to string them up these days

09:22:25 cazalla: (and i think i've had enough port for this evening)

09:23:11 cads: so we have racists in the channel?

09:23:15 cads: who else?

09:23:27 cads: lets take a tally

09:25:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5418 @ 0.00087293 = 4.7295 BTC [+]

09:25:54 Namworld: I'll avoid voicing an opinion on a case I know little about.

09:26:18 jurov: ôôseens davout

09:26:24 jurov: ;;seen davout

09:26:24 gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <davout> 2015 -> "intern accidentally deletes mpex"

09:26:29 cads: the worst part about these cases is when you see these men become heros to these lowbrow whitefuk rednecks here stateside

09:27:00 cads: they want to be like zimmerman

09:27:13 cads: they CAN'T WAIT to put a slug in a nigger

09:27:21 cads: ooooh boy

09:27:26 cads: to do that and get away with it

09:27:28 cads: it's their drea

09:27:29 cads: m

09:27:48 cads: don't tell me it wouldn't fucking thrill you, cazalla

09:28:09 cads: to kill a little punk pygmy that's threating YOUR life

09:28:27 mircea_popescu: if anyone wants to read my poem:

09:28:29 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-letter-third/

09:28:29 ozbot: The Letter Third pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

09:28:31 cazalla: it's a cheap thrill, i don't really care tbh, it occurs far away from me with people of which there are very few where i reside

09:28:41 mircea_popescu: benkay i have no idea.

09:29:09 cads: so killing someone to you is a "cheap thrill"

09:29:18 cads: but meh, you don't really care about it

09:29:44 mircea_popescu: i cant believe that thing is still a topic. srsly ?

09:29:50 mircea_popescu: who cares, some guy killed some guy.

09:29:58 cazalla: why are you so invested when 2 idiots find themselves in a situation no sensible person would, where 1 of them will die

09:31:31 cads: I mean ideally both idiots would be punished - one is already dead, and the other needs to get his. Not for some moral reason. Only to deter further idiots.

09:32:11 cazalla: why are you not up in arms about the countless nigras being shot up by other nigras, why are you so focused on zimmerman? because he is portrayed as white and it's in the media? i think that's the only reason

09:32:42 cads: when a black person shoots a black person he goes to jail

09:32:52 mircea_popescu: cads or maybe he should get a reward for punishing one idiot.

09:33:18 cads: these are children we're talking about.

09:33:21 mircea_popescu: you know a black idiot being punished for being an idiot isn't therefore being punished for being black.

09:33:29 mircea_popescu: apparently children can die as well as adults.

09:33:37 cads: better

09:33:47 mircea_popescu: probably even better.

09:33:48 cads: without leaving a trace

09:33:57 cazalla: teenagers aren't children

09:35:41 cads: legally a teenager is a child until 17 or 18

09:35:59 cazalla: you're being facetious now

09:36:18 cads: true

09:36:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00086915 = 25.2488 BTC [-] {2}

09:36:26 cads: I actually consider even 22 year olds to be kids

09:36:28 mircea_popescu: teenager is not defined legally afaik.

09:36:36 mircea_popescu: cads pasty ass white kids are children at 39.

09:36:36 cads: because they still think like fucking kids

09:36:46 mircea_popescu: kids that grow up on the streets are adults at 12.

09:37:01 cads: if that's true try talking to one about a 401k

09:37:16 mircea_popescu: methinks his 401k will beat your dad's 401k.

09:37:18 mircea_popescu: hands down.

09:37:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00297 = 0.1782 BTC [-]

09:37:31 cazalla: cads my point is this, a bunch of black teens driving around in an 82 corolla (thinking it's a 64 impala) blasting some rap music is going to attract the wrong type of attention, white man was stupid to react to it but this is how the world works

09:37:38 mircea_popescu: a particular facility to being taken advantage by the government is no particular qualification of maturity.

09:37:50 cads: my dad works 10 hour shifts

09:37:56 cads: he's too hardy for a 401k

09:38:06 mircea_popescu: well then you see my point.

09:38:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 240 @ 0.00290146 = 0.6964 BTC [-] {6}

09:38:49 cads: cazalla: that's not making a point, that's the standard argument

09:39:33 cazalla: well quit suggesting they are innocent and share no blame in their own death

09:39:47 mircea_popescu: original sean!

09:39:50 cazalla: it's like women who dress slutty and cry rape, you can't step into a lions cage and then complain he ate you

09:40:28 mircea_popescu: what if she was dressed like a slut specifically for me ?

09:40:34 mircea_popescu: do you now have license to help yourself too ?

09:41:04 cazalla: if you extend that license to me, yes

09:41:08 mircea_popescu: but i do not.

09:41:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00022187 = 1.1094 BTC [-] {13}

09:41:25 mircea_popescu: that'd be a sight, rapist obtaining prior permission from the male owner of the slut.

09:41:40 mircea_popescu: "yoiur honor, this wasn't rape. i asked some guy if it's ok."

09:41:49 cads: add a transaction to the mix and you have a pimp

09:41:54 cazalla: if you grant permission but it's rape, surely you are not the owner

09:42:16 mircea_popescu: incidentally, i hear that's why the trezor kid got shot.

09:42:28 mircea_popescu: some jew guy made a pie, the black kid ate the pie

09:42:37 mircea_popescu: the jew went "omg wtf you ate my pie for!"

09:42:48 mircea_popescu: and the nigger went "dude it smelled good! if you didn't want me to eat it

09:42:54 mircea_popescu: you shouldn't have made it smell good."

09:43:00 mircea_popescu: and so the jew got angry and shot him/

09:43:28 mircea_popescu: and he got acquitted because the jury found the arguments unsavory.

09:43:32 cads: lesson is that women just need to start shooting their rapists

09:43:44 mircea_popescu: cads wouldn't that be rape ?

09:43:53 mircea_popescu: in that you know... the guy was trying to shoot it up her ?

09:44:38 mircea_popescu: they can, and they do.

09:44:43 cazalla: cads are you a sjw?

09:44:50 cads: sjw?

09:44:51 mircea_popescu: they just need an environment in which they feel safe and secure.

09:44:55 cazalla: social justice warrior

09:45:02 mircea_popescu: nah he's just a math geek.

09:45:10 mircea_popescu: they're a little touched.

09:45:51 cads: I do like to harass bigots though

09:46:00 cads: it's my own form of bigotry

09:46:13 cazalla: i was just about to ask that.. why are you bigotted against bigots

09:46:20 mircea_popescu: you mean you're intolerant with intolerance ?

09:46:39 chetty: bah you guys got no clue about rape

09:46:45 cazalla: btw cads, i'm fine with black people i have an acquataince with, it's the ones i don't that i'm suspect of, more so than whites i don't know

09:47:01 mircea_popescu: lol chetty epic statement.

09:47:16 mircea_popescu: cazalla youj know that's exactly what xenophobia is ?

09:47:31 cads: you think that if a black person is walking 40 feet behind me on a sidewalk, or if a white person is walking 40 feet behind me on a sidewalk, I don't prefer to be in the latter situation?

09:47:36 cads: even a black person prefers that

09:47:41 mircea_popescu: what srslky ?!@

09:47:51 cads: err

09:47:54 cads: wait a second

09:47:58 cads: I mean I prefer

09:48:02 cazalla: i am xenophobic

09:48:07 cazalla: but that doesn't bother me

09:48:11 mircea_popescu: i am honestly not getting you two.

09:48:14 chetty: rape has nothing to do with sex - you confuse the issues

09:48:30 mircea_popescu: it seriously makes no difference to me. wtf difference does it make ?

09:48:44 cads: chetty: I later realized that the women are also physically threatened and harmed/killed during rape

09:49:07 cads: (I was a kid when I wondered that)

09:49:17 mircea_popescu: hence my comment, re "they can and they do, provided they have a safe environment in which to enjoy it"

09:49:20 cazalla: what difference does it make?

09:49:27 cazalla: or is that directed at cads

09:49:34 mircea_popescu: at both of you.

09:50:03 mircea_popescu: i noticed this before, too, us people are fucking weird.

09:50:11 cazalla: i don't like foreigners coming into my country and upsetting the WASP ratio

09:50:14 cads: we'll argue for the joy of arguing

09:50:22 cazalla: if i get to know them on a 1 to 1 level, that's OK

09:50:31 cads: we're not particularly mean to each other even when we're insulting :D

09:50:38 mircea_popescu: i get in a bus, i sit with the black people, white people are all giving me wtf is this ?!?! looks

09:50:51 cads: cazalla: right, that's how I am too

09:51:04 mircea_popescu: black people are all omg this guy is like dangerous.

09:51:16 cazalla: i'd happily chant for the random black person to be shot, shout obscentities and then invite the black neighbour over for a bbq same day

09:51:22 cazalla: we don't really have black people in australia anyway

09:51:26 mircea_popescu: you're nuts already.

09:51:38 mircea_popescu: the only sane conclusion is that you've paid about 100x too much attention to this race thing.

09:51:42 mircea_popescu: perhaps 1000x

09:51:48 cazalla: yeah, reading too much /pol/ lately

09:51:55 cazalla: + drinking

09:52:20 mircea_popescu: da fuck difference does it make, even if you were in fucking somalia

09:52:28 mircea_popescu: most dudes there are you know, boring derps.

09:52:48 cazalla: yes i'm sure everyone is friendly to strangers in mogadishu

09:52:49 cads: cazalla: the thing about that is that is that's really some fuckshit, that's like having a gay friend over for a barbeque on saturday and secretly picketing with "GOD HATES FAGS" signs in sunday

09:52:59 cazalla: cads: that's me

09:53:05 cads: who would your friend think you were if he knew?

09:53:16 mircea_popescu: i'd expect he appreciates the prime trollage.

09:53:18 mircea_popescu: wouldn't you ?

09:53:36 cads: if you don't really give a fuck what you fag ass friend thinks, what kind of friend can he be?

09:53:42 mircea_popescu: maybe scribble a Why So Srs on the back of the sign just in case you run into people you know.

09:53:48 cads: hahaha

09:53:48 cazalla: cads: because he isn't a stranger

09:54:01 mircea_popescu: a great friend, inasmuch as you don't give a shit what he thinks on retarded topics

09:54:09 mircea_popescu: it will encourage him to spend more time thinking of better stuff.

09:54:21 mircea_popescu: win-win

09:54:26 cads: what I'm saying is that how would he feel about his friend being part of a cause that is out to menace him and people like him?

09:54:34 mircea_popescu: menace my foot.

09:54:38 cazalla: cads: case in point, my wife has a gay friend + indian (immigrant) to boot! i don't like degenerate faggots or immigrants but i don't mind him coming over for dinner, holding my son etc, strange huh

09:54:41 mircea_popescu: god gives cancer to people he doesn't hate, too.

09:54:51 cads: cazalla: that's not strange, that's human

09:55:00 mircea_popescu: cazalla that's only because he's not fingering your son yet.

09:55:10 cads: there's that, neh :P

09:55:11 mircea_popescu: (that you know about)

09:55:19 cazalla: mircea_popescu: i keep a close eye on him, don't you worry about that

09:55:25 mircea_popescu: good thinking.

09:55:33 cazalla: he is never with my son unsupervised

09:55:39 mircea_popescu: just to be sure,

09:55:43 cazalla: and baby monitor is good excuse to listen to all conversation going on in the loungeroom anyway

09:55:46 mircea_popescu: you should finger him at all times.

09:55:56 cads: make sure you get the first impression

09:56:04 mircea_popescu: impaction.

09:56:16 cazalla: gay friend or son?

09:56:21 cads: the fatherly touch

09:56:25 mircea_popescu: it just struck me about 500 people will be reading this log sunday morning with a hangover

09:56:29 cazalla: baby shits everywhere so it isn't a problem

09:56:30 mircea_popescu: and decide they really need new friends.

09:56:43 punkman: what kind of trollbox did I walk into

09:56:47 mircea_popescu: lmao

09:57:02 cads: The... horror.

09:57:03 cazalla: i've had a bottle of tawny port so i'm just about done

09:57:18 cads: eh cazalla you're arrite

09:57:28 cads: mixed up white man

09:57:30 cads: but arrite

09:57:41 punkman: no hangover, but drinking shall commence in 5 min

09:57:50 cads: and counding.

09:57:55 cazalla: still suss on you cads

09:58:03 cazalla: a bit too sjw-ish for me

09:58:33 cads: I offer something SJWs can't

09:58:35 cazalla: anyone who runs to the defense of unnamed blacks and supposed rape victims is suspect to me

09:58:38 cads: redemption.

09:58:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00086676 = 13.2614 BTC [-]

09:58:56 cads: and freedom from sin!

09:59:02 mircea_popescu: cazalla maybe he just hasn't gotten laid in a really long time

09:59:07 mircea_popescu: white knighting is in white man's genes.

09:59:15 cazalla: maybe i haven't.. fucking kid and breast feeding :\

09:59:30 cazalla: i swear to god i never knew breast feeding could fuck up a good pair of tits in 5 weeks

09:59:34 mircea_popescu: how's getting laid prevent you from breastfeeding ?

09:59:45 mircea_popescu: there's other positions than doggy style you know

10:00:00 cazalla: "don't touch them" "they are too sensitive" "no i'm still sore from pregnancy for sex" "i'm tired" etc etc

10:00:07 mircea_popescu: spank her

10:00:28 cazalla: nah, gonna go to a gentlemans room soon

10:00:41 cads: and spank something else

10:00:48 mircea_popescu: what's the point of having gentlemen's rooms in australia ?

10:00:50 cazalla: no-one wants saggy tits with sour milk stained shirt :\

10:00:56 mircea_popescu: for tourists like ?

10:01:01 cazalla: although our son seems to love em

10:01:20 cazalla: nfi, never been to one

10:01:26 mircea_popescu: no wonder.

10:01:29 cazalla: we had plenty of sex prior to pregnancy and birth

10:01:54 cazalla: cads: he has blue eyes and blonde hair btw, couldn't be prouder

10:02:20 mircea_popescu: from an indian guy ?!

10:02:23 mircea_popescu: that must be rare.

10:02:36 cazalla: lol

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10:04:09 cads: a handsome young Aryan I'm sure

10:04:20 cads: cazalla: you're a new dad? congrats

10:04:27 cazalla: ty cads

10:05:02 jurov: congrats, too. but don't spoil him :)

10:05:13 mircea_popescu: well maybe a little.

10:05:59 cazalla: that'll depend on bitcoin over the years to come

10:06:30 cads: :D

10:07:17 cazalla: i'll be sure to tell him to check his bitcoin privilege

10:07:44 cazalla: anyway, i'm off to bed

10:07:55 cazalla: it is interesting that when sober, i only lurk/read

10:08:03 cazalla: few drinks and i spew all sorts of bullshit :\

10:08:48 cazalla: typica fkn aussies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmL72sgVdAQ

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10:17:28 cads: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html

10:17:28 ozbot: Internet troll personality study: Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy, sadism.

10:19:55 cads: heck, I have all of the dark tetrad

10:20:17 cads: and you know the best trolls honestly think they're not trolling

10:22:58 cads: blah the article blatantly ignores the self reporting bias in requiring trolls to identify as trolls

10:23:15 jurov: troll and proud

10:23:38 cads: but it's significant that self identifying trolls still scored horribly

10:24:04 cads: so while some trolls may have hiden themselves the real blatant ones decided "fuck, lets troll this test"

10:24:20 jurov: but really, do any non-narcissistic, well-aligned, non-machhiavellistic people exist?

10:25:13 jurov: afaik if they do, then they only lurk

10:26:49 cads: I dunnno I think trolls are free riders

10:27:03 cads: if you're a sadist you need to pay for your entertainment like the rest us

10:27:17 cads: trolls will be ejected from the dialog space soon.

10:27:29 cads: and will come back with more refined tactics

10:27:33 cads: as I am.

10:27:40 cads: we shall evolve

10:27:44 cads: we shall revise.

10:27:57 cads: we are legion ;)

10:28:25 jurov: since when the sadists must pay?

10:36:06 mircea_popescu: <cads> so while some trolls may have hiden themselves the real blatant ones decided "fuck, lets troll this test" << what the fuck does slate know.

10:37:18 mircea_popescu: ?debating issues that are important to you,? ?chatting with others,? ?making new friends,? ?trolling others,? and ?other.?

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10:37:28 mircea_popescu: most fucktarded set of options ever.

10:37:51 cads: I have sent people to shock websites for the lulz.

10:37:51 cads: I like to troll people in forums or the comments section of websites.

10:37:51 cads: The more beautiful and pure a thing is, the more satisfying it is to corrupt.

10:37:54 mircea_popescu: "hi r retarded" "hi i am 12 and where does dildo go ?" "sanity" and "other"

10:38:07 cads: some people actually agree with such statements

10:38:15 mircea_popescu: you sound like the something awful crowd.

10:38:23 cads: sick people :P

10:38:26 cads: like us! :D

10:38:53 cads: those three lines I posted were from the slate article

10:38:59 cads: as examples of troll sentiments

10:39:07 mircea_popescu: o i

10:39:08 mircea_popescu: c

10:39:17 cads: I've been sending people to goatse.cx since I was 13

10:39:34 cads: tubgirl, etc.

10:39:44 cads: not lots of people, mostly friends

10:39:58 cads: and irc peers

10:40:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3961 @ 0.00087357 = 3.4602 BTC [+]

10:40:32 cads: I like trolling particularly bad arguments on, god help me, facebook and youtube comments

10:41:09 cads: and who doesn't love corrupting the innocent?

10:41:15 mircea_popescu: i trolled a guy right here, and he enjoyed it.

10:41:24 mircea_popescu: your weaksauce sjwing not as much.

10:42:12 cads: beh fuck your guys' face with y'all white people acronyms

10:42:26 cads: rednecks

10:42:31 cads: ;)

10:42:46 mircea_popescu: lol

10:42:59 mircea_popescu: wait, you're black too ?

10:43:04 cads: no

10:43:04 mircea_popescu: this place's really gone downhill.

10:45:39 mircea_popescu: "Once upon a time, there was an enchanted prince, who ruled the land beyond the wobbles. One day, he discovered a spot on his face. Foolishly, he ignored it...and three years later, he died of cancer. The spot, however, flourished, and soon set out to seek its fortune."

10:50:10 cads: "The game is essentially an abstract synthesis of all arts and sciences. It proceeds by players making deep connections between seemingly unrelated topics."

10:50:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so orlov finally found costa rica huh

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10:57:10 Namworld: In Canada, people don't seem to care about immigrants. They all mix like it doesn't matter. I overheard someone at my old job say how he liked it so much more here than in the US because people weren't looking at him and less discrimination or something.

10:57:34 Namworld: Yet it doesn't seem like there's much difference between US and Canada to me in the culture.

10:58:57 cads: well there's a big difference even across the US

10:59:18 Namworld: Yes, guess it depends on the area.

11:00:01 Namworld: I'm in Montreal. I suppose that has some good on what I experience.

11:01:06 cads: wanna see a heat map of the geotagged tweets in the US using the word "nigger" in a negative sentiment?

11:01:16 Namworld: Sounds like fun

11:01:21 cads: http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/goh.png

11:01:36 cads: the data was normalized according to total twitter traffic

11:01:41 cads: lemme find the actual interactive map

11:01:59 cads: that lets you see the geography of all sorts of slurs

11:02:17 Namworld: Would be nice to have a population map too to put that in perspective.

11:02:19 mircea_popescu: fascinating : exactly the areas where black people live.

11:02:33 Namworld: That data too

11:02:36 mircea_popescu: cads how would you trust the negative sentiment detection ?

11:02:41 cads: http://users.humboldt.edu/mstephens/hate/hate_map.html#

11:02:42 ozbot: Hate Map

11:02:48 Namworld: Overlayed

11:03:08 cads: mircea_popescu: they paid students to manually code the statements for sentiment

11:03:26 cads: a little flaky but much better than automated sentiment detection, imo

11:03:32 mircea_popescu: fo sho

11:03:34 mircea_popescu: unless trolling

11:03:43 cads: right

11:04:13 cads: hopefully they blinded the kids enough to the geographic location that at least the overall shape is right

11:04:40 cads: mircea_popescu: actually

11:04:47 cads: the hate is /outside/ where blacks live

11:05:14 mircea_popescu: yeah it's at the north border of the space acually

11:05:17 cads: in little pods that correspond to high class suburbs or medium density rural

11:05:44 cads: and it drops off dramatically in the west, even for populated centers

11:06:15 cads: ie, LA has little proportion of the twitter bandwidth dedicated to "nigger"

11:06:32 mircea_popescu: californians lie.

11:07:01 mircea_popescu: your penny an hour students simple aren't sufficiently intellectually perverse to pick up on californian negative sentiment

11:07:41 cads: ahaah

11:08:17 cads: it would be hard to false positive a negative example of "nigger" :D

11:09:05 cads: there are a couple slurs in there like gook that are distributed in ways that seem completely arbitrary

11:09:33 mircea_popescu: i doubt you missed my point.

11:10:01 cads: I thought it was a jibe :)

11:10:39 cads: you're saying racist sentiment from white californians simply won't use the word 'nigger'

11:10:47 cads: which I'd grant you ten fold :D

11:11:29 cads: and indeed, this test has no way to protect against that

11:12:17 cads: hehe, the redneck that's been arguing against me on this one will enjoy your theory

11:12:56 mircea_popescu: lol

11:14:50 cads: maybe it's better to be surrounded by idiots that yell slurs than by smooth talking devils in suits

11:15:10 cads: one can take the latter group as chumps

11:15:18 cads: and lead them around by nose rings

11:15:35 cads: maybe not so for californians!

11:15:45 cads: err

11:15:47 cads: former group!

11:15:49 mircea_popescu: my experience with racism is that it's usually the problem of the people concerned with it.

11:16:15 cads: people affected by it mostly don't understand how it affects them

11:16:34 mircea_popescu: mno. people who spend a lot of time thinking about it end up being fucking weird.

11:16:44 mircea_popescu: people who couldn't care less generally aren't a problem to anyone.

11:17:31 mircea_popescu: i would say that your average "sensitive" idiot is about twice as noxious as your average "racist".

11:17:54 cads: I do like to bait them :P

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11:18:22 mircea_popescu: me too, but i kinda enjoy the first set more.

11:19:52 cads: keep in mind I and my brothers grew up here with a crappy accent as the cabbage eating weird kids that got picked on for our religion and culture

11:20:03 cads: remember romania is the mexico of europe to americans.

11:20:22 cads: so I've got some well placed hate for bigots and I'm okay with that for now

11:20:46 mircea_popescu: lol derp.

11:21:10 mircea_popescu: i don't think any us citizen alive today could pick out a romanian from a line-up if his anal virginity depended on it

11:21:41 chetty: really?

11:21:49 mircea_popescu: and you got picked out for being socially awkward and sexually unconvincing, not for "culture"

11:21:52 mircea_popescu: awkwardness is not culture.

11:22:18 cads: I'm not talking about in my adolescence, I'm talking about as a kid

11:22:36 mircea_popescu: picked on by who ?

11:24:15 mircea_popescu: well were they adults or other kids ?

11:26:42 cads: just kids and neighborhood bullies really

11:27:12 mircea_popescu: so other kids. socially awkward and sexually unconvincing.

11:27:23 mircea_popescu: what, you think sexual traits suddenly manifest at 18 ?

11:27:49 cads: well obviously socially ackward

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11:28:12 cads: that's the fucking point, you're acting like people can't fucking treat socially ackward people with some fucking respect

11:28:21 cads: and I know that's false

11:28:48 cads: since people more or less treat me with respect despite my ackwardness

11:28:59 mircea_popescu: they can't.

11:29:07 mircea_popescu: the point is to help them overcome their issues.

11:29:11 mircea_popescu: this needs incentives.

11:29:23 mircea_popescu: "the beatings will continue until morale improves."

11:31:16 cads: I mean, a black kid in an all white classroom will be ackward. A boy with a vaganapenis will be ackward. A girl that wears a headdress is going to feel ackward.

11:31:24 mircea_popescu: just because people have meanwhile stopped giving a shit about you and your overall health and well being doesn't mean the people that used to care were wrong.

11:31:37 cads: why does it have to be an overburdening feeling though?

11:31:39 mircea_popescu: it's just meanwhile you live in a different sort of society, which is dispersed and disinterested.

11:31:54 mircea_popescu: it doesn't. it's up to them not to be.

11:33:21 cads: so by your counsel, would it have been up to the slaves to accept the burden, and would it have been your advice simply improve morale till the situation changes or you're lynched.

11:33:26 cads: ?

11:34:00 mircea_popescu: no useful slave was ever lynched.

11:34:40 mircea_popescu: but yes, it is up to whoever to live his life, as his life is, rather than derp about how it should be.

11:35:09 mircea_popescu: i get it, everyone's special and dragons and the wrong gender and in the wrong time and insufficiently lottery winning.

11:35:16 mircea_popescu: not particularly interesting.

11:35:32 cads: so if someone is slandering you do you "derp about how it should be" or do you taking fucking recourse?

11:35:49 cads: or do you... "live your life" while your reputation is slandered?

11:35:55 mircea_popescu: well you may be inclined to review my record as the most slandered guy in the history of btc :)

11:36:00 cads: and take no offense or defense

11:37:01 Namworld: Had that in primary, living in the suburbs. Black kid in all white classroom. Had very few black people for the whole school.

11:37:11 cads: mircea_popescu: if I ever rape you in an alley one day you will limp back home, paste your asshole back together with some dabs of superglue and then tell no one and seek no revenge.

11:37:13 Namworld: Can't seem to recall any awkwardness to it.

11:37:25 cads: with that philosophy I can have you asshole when I want.

11:37:39 mircea_popescu: maybe i'll shoot you, what.

11:37:45 cads: that's the philosophy you want opressed kids to take

11:37:47 mircea_popescu: maybe you're the one getting raep'd.

11:38:07 mircea_popescu: no, that's just the strawman you find convenient lol

11:38:11 cads: well that's my point, you have built in recourse and you know how to exercise it

11:38:20 mircea_popescu: so do they, so can they. let them.

11:38:23 cads: you say you have it because you deserve it

11:38:34 cads: but you have it because you've been handed it

11:38:38 mircea_popescu: derp.

11:38:46 mircea_popescu: and if i have a business i didn't build that business ?

11:38:52 mircea_popescu: thank you obama for bitcoin and handing me mpex.

11:39:10 mircea_popescu: i suppose i owe tax nao too right ?

11:39:22 cads: you're saying if you were a nigger guinea you would have mpex.

11:39:26 cads: gtfo

11:39:35 mircea_popescu: i am a romanian in romania dood.

11:39:38 mircea_popescu: think it through.

11:40:02 cads: right, for the first thing you'd probably have been born in africa.

11:40:22 cads: good luck from that start.

11:40:23 mircea_popescu: i'd have been pretty much the same born whenever and wherever.

11:41:04 cads: born into the family of a destitute mother that couldn't feed you properly the first few years of your life?

11:41:31 cads: born into the family that lived in bitter poverty and taught you to take everything you can from the dole?

11:41:34 mircea_popescu: what makes you think i coud have been born to a destitute mother that couldn't feed me properly ?

11:41:44 mircea_popescu: what, we're equal nao ?

11:41:53 mircea_popescu: people aren't interchangeable.

11:43:23 cads: the part that really gets me is not that you can't imagine yourself as an average black person, weighted down with the average viral meme load and nonsense beliefs about finance and law and white people and everyone being out to get you

11:43:54 mircea_popescu: why am i not an average romanian weighted down with the average viral meme load and nonsense belief romanias get ?

11:44:00 mircea_popescu: what, you think blacks invented stupidity or soemthing ?

11:44:01 cads: but mostly that you think someone of your talent would get to the same place in life no matter what initial condition

11:44:07 mircea_popescu: this is exactly true.

11:44:24 mircea_popescu: the derpage about "conditions" is a very weak excuse.

11:44:39 mircea_popescu: i dunno who buys it, but judging by how often it needs to be repeated i would guess no one

11:46:34 cads: mircea_popescu: because you're not sampled from the sample space of romanians. You're sampled from the sample space of humans. You need to be concerned about the average expected outcome of humans if only because that's essential to collaborative solutions to problems.

11:46:50 mircea_popescu: what's the average gender of the human race ?

11:47:10 mircea_popescu: you're a clever guy, you know at least the basics of where statistics is meaningfully usable and where it isn't.

11:50:36 cads: hrm, is there no revolutionary effort you will have joined simply because you disagree with the way things are for a group of people you care about?

11:50:53 mircea_popescu: i have been at the forefront of fucking revolutionary effort lol.

11:51:13 mircea_popescu: that's the difference, i speak of things i know, you speak of things you dream and imagine. unflattering as that may sound.

11:51:40 cads: yeah that's a criticism I don't take lightly.

11:52:00 cads: and you can stop with any further expounding of that line now.

11:52:58 mircea_popescu: well, so you ever been in a revolution ?

11:53:04 mircea_popescu: and i don't mean on facebook, i mean with a gun.

11:54:42 cads: the closes to that is some underground cryptoanarchist stuff and some occupy bullshit, nothing with a gun.. yet, neh?

11:55:05 mircea_popescu: ok so then, if it's not your experience, why is it your preoccupation ?

11:55:06 cads: both efforts fell apart into violence and fighting with nothing I could do

11:55:59 cads: I mean, I went to rallies, I marched on board meetings, it was fun

11:56:21 cads: two friends in the 'movement' got into a fight at a rally

11:56:25 mircea_popescu: yes yes but my objection here is that you allow surogates to populate your mental forest.

11:56:36 mircea_popescu: which is in principle an evil.

11:56:40 cads: and police descended on them, broke bones, femur, put them in the hospital

11:56:52 mircea_popescu: a revolution is when you break the bones of the police

11:56:55 mircea_popescu: not the other way around.

11:57:03 mircea_popescu: this is the key aspect here. not that there is violence,

11:57:04 cads: exactly

11:57:10 mircea_popescu: but that the only limit to the violence is your own consicence.

11:57:22 mircea_popescu: and otherwise, everyone can go straight off to the guillotine.

11:59:06 mircea_popescu: but anyway, i'ma be off. we shall debate moar later!

11:59:50 cads: maybe I'll adress the mental forest thing, since I don't think you're entirely wrong, and I know it.

12:01:25 chetty: careful, MP's strange ideas grow on you

12:03:05 cads: it's the classic romanian "you know theory but you don't know practice" attack "o ai cu teoria. Dar practica te omoare." classic because every romanian has heard it from every other romanian they know, in one situation or another.

12:05:31 cads: Righteous Lecturing is actually Romania's official national past time, as I'm sure MP would acknowledge from his experiences with family, teachers, politicians, etc. :D

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12:11:36 chetty: you are Romanian too cads?

12:12:23 cads: obviously not by choice :)

12:12:39 cads: how about you? what's your culture?

12:13:51 chetty: haha well I guess Romanain by choice would work - at least for the moment

12:16:31 cads: live in RO?

12:16:34 cads: or abroad?

12:16:51 cads: oh no

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12:17:10 cads: I just saw lawrence fishbourne do a Kia commercial in his Morpheus charachter!

12:17:22 cads: Had two sets of keys, one in each hand

12:17:32 chetty: live in RO atm

12:17:49 cads: he was a valet for christ sakes, and offers the driver the choice of two keys

12:18:00 cads: the driver picks the kia. the matrix is real.

12:18:18 chetty: course it is, was there ever any doubt?

12:20:03 cads: chetty: as if the second and third movies were not progressively worse scams, I am just hoping we don't see neo dodging... bad insurance quotes or something...

12:20:16 cads: "Geico. Whoa."

12:21:03 cads: let me keep at least /some/ piece of media holy and pure in my thoughts, I say!

12:21:19 chetty: I never watch sequels ..or TV, bad for your health (mental)

12:21:28 cads: ^ this is a rapidly fading desire

12:21:33 cads: right

12:21:56 cads: I've learned to stop caring and throw myself into the long tail without any exterior curator

12:22:38 cads: future shock is a bitch sometimes though

12:26:10 cads: chetty: I mostly watch commericals, sound turned off, to study the visual rhetoric

12:26:52 cads: kinda perverse, I know... I don't do this much... stuff like the superbowl, or when I'm chilling on the couch with friends watching something

12:27:43 cads: I sanitize all the advertisements from my internet experience though, and get the large majority of my AV content from pirate channels

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12:44:18 kakobrekla: ;;ticker --market mtgox

12:44:19 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 250.3295, Best ask: 252.6, Bid-ask spread: 2.27050, Last trade: 249.47, 24 hour volume: 78979.07331245, 24 hour low: 247.0, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 333.23091

12:51:27 FabianB_: ;;ticker --market all

12:51:32 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 248.5, vol: 78869.04776296 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 633.0, vol: 16702.98226469 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 600.9, vol: 10841.20438 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 636.3, vol: 9196.50560524 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 655.01, vol: 44.65753383 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 635.753811, vol: 6328.89500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 381.946016093

12:52:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19433 @ 0.00087536 = 17.0109 BTC [-] {2}

13:08:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00087523 = 21.8808 BTC [-]

13:14:05 ThickAsThieves: dat ticker!

13:14:55 ThickAsThieves: yknow it would be really sad if gox opened and their users were buying up cheap coins and thus benefited from it's idiocy

13:15:16 ThickAsThieves: i guess omeone has to play the losing end

13:17:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00087144 = 8.0172 BTC [-]

13:25:24 kakobrekla: anyone good at poker here?

13:26:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25594 @ 0.00087554 = 22.4086 BTC [+] {2}

13:26:19 ThickAsThieves: i hear some magic the gathering players are good at it

13:28:12 PsychoticBoy_: wanna buy a black lotus?

13:28:17 PsychoticBoy_: beta

13:28:30 PsychoticBoy_: got more old magic cards

13:28:32 PsychoticBoy_: ;)

13:29:15 ThickAsThieves: "Unfortunately, new research suggests that's not the case — trolls' personalities correlate highly with sadism. "

13:29:40 ThickAsThieves: "A new study by Erin Buckels and her colleagues at the University of Manitoba found that trolls' personalities are strongly linked to personality traits that form what some psychologists call the Dark Tetrad: sadism, narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism."

13:30:34 chetty: good description of this chan

13:31:19 ThickAsThieves: not enough isms though

13:33:40 ThickAsThieves: for example, contrarianism ^

13:33:42 MisterE: whales are this is all over IRC today

13:33:51 MisterE: opps

13:34:01 ThickAsThieves: is that your brain wallet?

13:34:09 ThickAsThieves: :)

13:34:12 MisterE: already had some text inthe input line

13:34:24 MisterE: was gonna say whales are manipulating big time today

13:34:53 MisterE: and separately that the study is being talked about in many channels I'm in

13:36:56 ThickAsThieves: it's an imporrant development, learning trolls like to troll cuz theyre assholes

13:38:02 ThickAsThieves: another popular topic this morning, "how do i get cash into Gox quickly?"

13:38:14 ThickAsThieves: no wonder trolls exist...

13:39:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00087659 = 6.9689 BTC [+]

13:42:33 chetty: in fairness there are also trolls that make you think - a lot of folks find that painful too

13:44:36 ThickAsThieves: nah

13:44:52 ThickAsThieves: i wont accept that all conflicting conversatinis trolling

13:45:08 deadweasel: i disagree :P

13:45:30 deadweasel: hi ThickAsThieves, morning

13:45:40 ThickAsThieves: herro

13:46:23 deadweasel: too much warm sake last night, with slices of jackfruit and vietnamese waitresses.

13:46:52 deadweasel: the grammar makes it seem like i'm eating slices of vietnamese waitresses. that was not the case.

13:46:58 ThickAsThieves: slices of waitresses?

13:47:08 ThickAsThieves: lol

13:47:12 ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1y2287/just_got_an_email_from_mtgox/

13:47:12 ozbot: Just got an email from mt.gox : Bitcoin

13:47:16 ThickAsThieves: i like the first comment

13:47:39 ThickAsThieves: i guess the kickstarter security leak data is being used to log into gox?

13:47:45 ThickAsThieves: pretty awesome

13:48:00 deadweasel: plunder that place senseless!

13:48:02 ThickAsThieves: hack sucker site #1 for obv access to sucker site #2

13:48:40 ThickAsThieves: "dont worry your funds arent going anywhere"

13:49:44 ThickAsThieves: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/02/more-than-200-miners-trapped-south-africa-2014216131037223953.html

13:49:45 ozbot: Hundreds trapped in South African gold mine - Africa - Al Jazeera English

13:52:12 ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell 2000

13:52:12 gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 1222350.0727 USD and would take the last price down to 603.4600 USD, resulting in an average price of 611.1750 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 170.4864 seconds

13:52:25 ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell --mtgox 2000

13:52:25 gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.

13:52:39 ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell 2000 --mtgox

13:52:39 gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.

13:52:51 pankkake: ;;market sell --market mtgox 2000

13:52:53 gribble: MtGox | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 443737.1817 USD and would take the last price down to 207.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 221.8686 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0645 seconds

13:52:57 ThickAsThieves: ty

13:54:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499898 BTC [+]

13:57:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12164 @ 0.00087695 = 10.6672 BTC [+]

14:00:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.070399 = 0.2112 BTC [+]

14:02:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.070399 = 0.2816 BTC [+]

14:02:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07011 = 0.2804 BTC [+]

14:04:50 kakobrekla: coinion.com/news/world/2014/02/more-than-2000-bitcoin-miners-trapped-over-huge-diff-increase

14:12:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1736 @ 0.00087695 = 1.5224 BTC [+]

14:13:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10915 @ 0.00087659 = 9.568 BTC [-]

14:18:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499898 BTC [+]

14:19:34 Apocalyptic: .d

14:19:34 ozbot: 2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 81 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.7724% in 0d 10h 50m 43s

14:20:28 ThickAsThieves: http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/02/16/long-term-update-3-days-chart-at-bitstamp/

14:20:29 ozbot: Long Term Update: 3 days chart at Bitstamp | Bitcoin Trading Signals

14:20:36 ThickAsThieves: Enky makes good posts

14:20:51 ThickAsThieves: in case you guys dont already follow him

14:21:14 ThickAsThieves: although his prediction of $200 on bitstamp is hard to digest

14:21:32 ThickAsThieves: wait i read that wrong

14:21:43 ThickAsThieves: he meant -$200

14:24:12 kakobrekla: he is here under Enky2

14:24:17 kakobrekla: fyi

14:25:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00087735 = 15.222 BTC [+]

14:29:02 ThickAsThieves: word

14:31:48 ThickAsThieves: still waiting for my btc withdrawal from OpenEx...

14:33:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 46 @ 0.19376446 = 8.9132 BTC [+]

14:33:45 Apocalyptic: according to their chatbox there are people complaining too

14:34:59 ThickAsThieves: i didnt even see the chatbox heh

14:35:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.07504333 = 0.9005 BTC [-] {4}

14:35:26 ThickAsThieves: these elastic designs arent always practical for large monitors

14:36:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00024751 = 0.495 BTC [+] {6}

14:47:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00087739 = 18.4252 BTC [+]

14:52:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2011 @ 0.00024762 = 0.498 BTC [+] {2}

14:54:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00557526 = 0.3847 BTC [+] {8}

14:58:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.067108 = 0.3355 BTC [-] {2}

14:59:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

15:01:31 the20year1: dang, gox is 270

15:25:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.125 = 0.5 BTC [+]

15:27:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

15:28:44 kakobrekla: dont listen to rap kids

15:28:45 kakobrekla: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26217014

15:28:46 ozbot: BBC News - Man guilty of 'loud music' shootings

15:30:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00087739 = 6.9314 BTC [+]

15:31:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11889 @ 0.0008782 = 10.4409 BTC [+] {2}

15:31:30 asciilifeform: epic troll: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/fitzpatrick-snowden-01.pdf

15:46:10 Bugpowder: Interesting... MPEX options exercise is not executing at the bitcoincharts.com price.

15:47:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00087882 = 23.9918 BTC [+] {2}

15:56:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24855 @ 0.00087915 = 21.8513 BTC [+] {2}

16:01:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.0002469 = 1.2345 BTC [+] {8}

16:02:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00024764 = 1.2382 BTC [+] {5}

16:03:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19450 @ 0.00024888 = 4.8407 BTC [+] {12}

16:06:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499899 BTC [+]

16:07:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 623 @ 0.00024989 = 0.1557 BTC [+] {2}

16:10:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499899 BTC [+]

16:11:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07076966 = 0.2123 BTC [+] {2}

16:13:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57499899 = 1.15 BTC [+]

16:13:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00297498 = 0.1666 BTC [+]

16:14:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 176 @ 0.00565493 = 0.9953 BTC [+] {7}

16:14:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [+]

16:15:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00569999 = 0.1425 BTC [+] {4}

16:22:27 FabianB_: Bugpowder: what's it executing at instead?

16:23:02 Bugpowder: Your order to exercise 1 O.USD.P500T contracts has been received and will be executed. This will net you 0.83109870 BTC.

16:23:56 Bugpowder: So about $535.

16:24:14 Bugpowder: Maybe that was the last quoted price before the MPOEbot went down.

16:24:16 FabianB_: that's more like the 7 days

16:28:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 556 @ 0.00024989 = 0.1389 BTC [+]

16:31:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00087693 = 15.1709 BTC [-] {3}

16:43:01 nubbins`: hi

16:47:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07228571 = 1.012 BTC [+] {3}

16:59:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76594243 BTC to 1`841 shares, 95923 satoshi per share

17:00:55 deadweasel: hey nubbins`

17:01:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 0.43004790 BTC to 9`595 shares, 4482 satoshi per share

17:01:40 nubbins`: what's the haps?

17:03:07 ThickAsThieves: http://i.imgur.com/9fEN4EO.jpg

17:04:43 nubbins`: oooooof

17:05:22 nubbins`: "my blue jeans and tucked-in t-shirt will make this sword look even more realistic"

17:06:40 KRS-One: lol what an infant.

17:06:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7541 @ 0.0008793 = 6.6308 BTC [+]

17:07:41 ThickAsThieves: he hasnt changed like at all

17:07:47 ThickAsThieves: just rounder

17:09:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0672 = 0.2688 BTC [-]

17:12:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00087563 = 13.4847 BTC [-] {2}

17:18:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.125 = 0.375 BTC [+]

17:34:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00087942 = 14.4225 BTC [+] {3}

17:37:35 deadweasel: is that a current pic

17:37:37 deadweasel: ?

17:37:50 deadweasel: of magicaltwat?

17:38:05 kakobrekla: from the latest facebook update.

17:39:32 Bugpowder: nice form

17:40:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 50 @ 0.05823982 = 2.912 BTC [-] {17}

17:41:05 deadweasel: oh my.

17:50:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00087707 = 13.463 BTC [-]

17:50:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06723333 = 0.4034 BTC [+] {2}

17:51:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.002963 = 0.1333 BTC [-]

17:57:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.128 = 0.384 BTC [+] {2}

17:58:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00087707 = 22.9354 BTC [-]

18:00:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 48 @ 0.12210834 = 5.8612 BTC [-] {4}

18:03:28 asciilifeform: waitwhat - the fat man carries a sword?

18:04:07 kakobrekla: dunno, perhaps its a magic the gathering thing

18:04:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.19376446 = 5.8129 BTC [+]

18:05:00 asciilifeform: my first thought was, it's against angry creditors

18:06:12 Bugpowder: Tux rubs his +4 longsword of summoning... A venté vanilla chai latte appears!

18:15:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002963 = 0.2963 BTC [-]

18:17:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00087676 = 14.1597 BTC [-] {2}

18:31:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 650 @ 0.00087607 = 0.5694 BTC [-]

18:51:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 192 @ 0.002963 = 0.5689 BTC [-]

18:56:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00087625 = 28.3905 BTC [+] {3}

18:58:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07256999 = 3.6285 BTC [+] {4}

19:00:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07299999 = 0.803 BTC [+]

19:02:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00087882 = 24.1236 BTC [+] {2}

19:03:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.073 = 1.679 BTC [+]

19:12:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06714 = 0.3357 BTC [-] {4}

19:21:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.128 = 0.384 BTC [+]

19:23:21 Bugpowder: $600 stamp

19:23:38 asciilifeform: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/us/eavesdropping-ensnared-american-law-firm.html

19:23:54 Bugpowder: My buddy is at that firm

19:23:55 Bugpowder: heheh

19:24:10 Bugpowder: 595

19:24:28 Bugpowder: I'm getting itchy... wanna buy on coinbase.

19:30:02 kakobrekla: ritchy.

19:31:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 198 @ 0.073 = 14.454 BTC [+]

19:31:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7799 @ 0.00087546 = 6.8277 BTC [-]

19:34:01 ThickAsThieves: bugpowder, youre a buyer in the 500s?

19:34:29 Bugpowder: haven't pulled trigger yet.

19:34:42 Bugpowder: thinking about an entry tho

19:34:50 ThickAsThieves: was thinking same, but seems like it could go to 565

19:35:03 Bugpowder: might just start scaling in.

19:35:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.073 = 4.38 BTC [+]

19:35:24 Bugpowder: last buy I made was at $700 a month or two ago.

19:35:31 ThickAsThieves: hard to predict what will happen if gox opens too

19:35:36 Bugpowder: price goes up

19:35:40 Bugpowder: not that hard to predict

19:35:42 ThickAsThieves: and then down?

19:35:46 ThickAsThieves: on stasmp

19:35:57 Bugpowder: it think it rallies everywhere

19:36:03 ThickAsThieves: yeah at first

19:36:11 ThickAsThieves: i guess thats all we need

19:36:33 Bugpowder: I'm not a trader so... I don't really care about the next 3 months

19:36:41 Bugpowder: Just want lowest entry

19:36:50 ThickAsThieves: i trade but go long when i get stuck :)

19:37:22 Bugpowder: some defense of 600 at stamp

19:37:26 ThickAsThieves: with a small portion of coins really

19:39:49 Bugpowder: Did u see that options exercise is happening at the wrong price?

19:40:01 FabianB: ;;ticker --market all

19:40:07 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 247.0, vol: 83120.16093865 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 610.0, vol: 23766.41845250 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 582.999, vol: 16671.38148 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 609.5, vol: 11813.83308207 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 641.0, vol: 68.53288743 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 623.844733, vol: 8032.04500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 397.308574612

19:41:45 ThickAsThieves: well "wrong" depends on who you ask ;)

19:42:11 FabianB: it's supposed to ask bitcoincharts

19:42:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0672 = 0.1344 BTC [+]

19:43:07 Bugpowder: the bottom is in!

19:43:10 Bugpowder: missed it :(

19:43:41 ThickAsThieves: nah

19:43:49 ThickAsThieves: waitll tonight or tomorrow

19:43:55 ThickAsThieves: when gox says "sike!"

19:45:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00087994 = 47.1648 BTC [+] {4}

19:45:18 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00218173 = 0.9818 BTC [+]

19:46:42 benkay: "but the supreme court dismissed their fear as 'speculative'"

19:47:45 benkay: hm. maybe start a consulting company around "secure international comms"

19:47:51 benkay: sell everyone cardanos at 1000x markup.

19:48:24 benkay: defo gotta leave the us before doing that.

19:51:26 asciilifeform: benkay: what kind of idiot would buy at 1000x?

19:52:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00088041 = 18.2245 BTC [+] {2}

19:52:26 benkay: the kind of idiots who don't know about cardanos to begin with.

19:52:38 pankkake: put a half eaten fruit on it

19:52:54 asciilifeform: i imagine there will be 1,000 of these once the plans are published.

19:53:19 benkay: asciilifeform: the cardanos come free with the implementation package for your two organizations.

19:54:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.00087531 = 8.1763 BTC [-] {2}

19:58:08 asciilifeform: one problem with this scheme is, as far as i can see, in order to want a cardano in the first place one needs a modicum of brains.

19:58:34 benkay: this is the enterprise sales problem.

19:59:26 benkay: there are fifty people over there - and only one with a checkbook and the brains to recognize a solution that needs implementing, frequently attended by much organizational resistance to doing anything.

19:59:46 benkay: nevertheless, that law firm needs some cardanos and training on how to use them.

20:00:32 benkay: besides they get to mark up the time spent fucking around with encryption to their clients - it's a win win win win win!

20:01:39 asciilifeform: if you personally can make this happen, talk to mp!

20:02:26 asciilifeform: the folks you're talking about might be a hard sell. they'd need to be talked out of their addiction to 'standards-compliant' (read: u.s.-diddled) turdware.

20:02:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+]

20:03:25 benkay: if the opportunity presents itself i'd be happy to. i'm not about to cold-call all the international law firms in dc, though.

20:03:31 benkay: although...

20:04:17 benkay: so the flipside of the additiction to 'standards-compliant' is that now some people in big cushy chairs are finally getting the idea that their standards are just a backdoor for the us of a.

20:04:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00087413 = 17.7448 BTC [-]

20:04:46 asciilifeform: there is another, trickier problem that must be finessed.

20:05:15 asciilifeform: the clever ones will be very suspicious of anything presented as a pill against usg.

20:06:14 asciilifeform: on the other hand, witness all the lost souls salivating over 'silent circle' and related crap.

20:08:04 benkay: there is an awful chasm between people who want encryption and people who are willing to operate under the inconvenience of actual security.

20:08:09 asciilifeform: the 'good cop bad cop' algorithm is as old as mankind.

20:30:36 KRS-One: .bait

20:30:48 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72h4wROLM1qkzao6o1_1280.jpg

20:31:01 KRS-One: .bait

20:31:19 twizt: pretty slow bait

20:31:19 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3np4jEXuS1r1c0w7o1_500.jpg

20:31:31 KRS-One: wtf is that? ONE boob?

20:31:35 KRS-One: .bait

20:31:51 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8u5cyYHuw1rr6uq1o1_500.jpg

20:31:51 KRS-One: =/

20:31:59 KRS-One: fuck yea

20:32:12 Mats_cd03: could anyone recommend a reputable whois privacy service

20:32:19 KRS-One: Safenames

20:32:28 KRS-One: teh best i ever found as a sysadmin

20:33:00 nubbins`: few better ways to spend a sunday than calculating your net worth while enjoying a large mug of aeropress coffee

20:33:34 Mats_cd03: thx qt

20:34:42 benkay: eyo nubbins`

20:35:00 nubbins`: oh hi

20:35:02 benkay: BingoBoingo's nominally gathering up the satoshi letters

20:35:18 benkay: you should enbookify 'em

20:35:24 KRS-One: oh wow aeropress is much less acidic

20:35:45 nubbins`: the satoshi letters?

20:35:46 benkay: but subject of coffee, y'all ever fuck with the clever brewer?

20:35:56 nubbins`: KRS-One, it's what got me drinking black.

20:36:01 Mats_cd03: lol 'the satoshi letters'

20:36:02 KRS-One: wow black rly

20:36:10 KRS-One: is it plasic or glass? I hate plastic

20:36:12 benkay: nubbins`: yeah all of the things that szabo/satoshi wrote over the past 5 years or so

20:36:23 nubbins`: benkay: haven't tried the clever, but i do enjoy a good pour-over

20:36:34 nubbins`: benkay, i'd publish that

20:36:54 benkay: nubbins`: what i love about the clever is that it combines the extraction time of the french press with the filtering of the pour over

20:37:05 benkay: super precision coffee making

20:37:05 KRS-One: wiki doesnt say if aeropress is glass or plastic

20:37:10 benkay: it's plastic.

20:37:13 benkay: everything's plastic.

20:37:16 KRS-One: i'm a coffee snob

20:37:22 KRS-One: heat + plastic doesnt work well with me

20:37:34 KRS-One: plastic in fucken general

20:37:40 benkay: FUKKEN PLASTIC

20:37:41 nubbins`: aeropress is great

20:37:46 nubbins`: guy who invented the aerobie made it

20:37:48 KRS-One: ever drink water out of a plastic bottle? u can taste it

20:37:52 KRS-One: u cant tell me thats not bad for u

20:37:55 nubbins`: not sure offhand what type of plastic it's made from

20:38:05 benkay: hey KRS-One there are a bunch of different kinds of plastics

20:38:14 benkay: but hiding from them all in fear is a pretty safe approach.

20:38:18 nubbins`: http://aerobie.com/Products/Details/AeroPressMaterialsDescription.htm

20:38:35 KRS-One: whoever is in charge of plastic can shove them all up his ass.

20:38:39 nubbins`: heh

20:38:45 KRS-One: Sorry I just have a thing about plastic.

20:38:54 nubbins`: don't be sorry

20:38:55 KRS-One: i think its killing us

20:39:03 nubbins`: remember when everyone thought BPA was safe?

20:39:13 nubbins`: "oh whoops it's not lel sorry"

20:39:14 KRS-One: yeah

20:39:27 Mats_cd03: i consume 500ug of bpa every day

20:39:39 Mats_cd03: it makes me feel normal

20:39:46 KRS-One: what do u get it from

20:39:51 nubbins`: anyway, copolyester is what the aeropress is made of

20:39:59 KRS-One: nubbins`: thats better

20:40:14 KRS-One: it holds up to heat ok?

20:40:25 nubbins`: yeah, i brew at 80C

20:40:35 nubbins`: have been using one for ~3 years now, no signs of degradation

20:41:04 benkay: the clever's seal blows out after about 3 years of constant use

20:41:09 kakobrekla: yeah i need to get one of thsoe to try it out

20:41:12 nubbins`: "The AeroPress is made of three different plastics. The clear chamber and plunger are made of copolyester. The hard black filter cap, filter holder, funnel, and stirrer are made of polypropylene. The rubber like seal on the end of the plunger is made of a thermoplastic elastomer. All of these materials are FDA approved for use in contact with food. None of these materials contain bisphenol-A

20:41:12 nubbins`: (BPA) or any phthalates, chemicals that have been in the news lately because of possible health effects."

20:41:21 nubbins`: we have two ;(

20:41:41 nubbins`: as long as you don't store the aeropress with the plunger compressed, it should last forever

20:41:56 KRS-One: what do they have against glass and stainless steel?

20:41:58 KRS-One: more elegant

20:42:03 benkay: so make one

20:42:25 KRS-One: for instance, to smoke herb out of a nice ROOR Bong is a completely different experience than a fricken plastic one.

20:43:16 nubbins`: that link i pasted actually talks about glass and metal

20:43:52 nubbins`: consider that if ROOR made an aeropress it'd probably cost $200

20:44:19 kakobrekla: i thought we were past foodstamps here

20:44:20 nubbins`: and although you could probably throw it at a brick wall without breaking, that's probably not enough to justify the cost

20:44:23 kakobrekla: o wait

20:44:29 kakobrekla: ;;ticker --market mtgox

20:44:30 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 244.40967, Best ask: 246.995, Bid-ask spread: 2.58533, Last trade: 246.995, 24 hour volume: 85327.37931997, 24 hour low: 220.29327, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 308.78456

20:44:31 KRS-One: they are cheap

20:44:32 kakobrekla: nevermind that.

20:44:36 KRS-One: $25 USD on ThinkGeek

20:44:40 KRS-One: I shall try one

20:44:59 nubbins`: don't bother with a spare pack of filters, they give you like 300

20:45:04 KRS-One: wow

20:45:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00087262 = 13.831 BTC [-]

20:45:41 nubbins`: fair warning, they suggest you use a large number of beans per cup

20:45:47 nubbins`: like 2x what you'd use for drip

20:46:53 benkay: that's always struck me as an indicator of inefficiency

20:48:03 nubbins`: compensates for the 30 second brew time

20:48:19 nubbins`: you can get away with using less, tho

20:48:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

20:48:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10354 @ 0.00087262 = 9.0351 BTC [-]

20:48:41 nubbins`: the aeropress actually makes an "espresso-like concentrate", that you then top up with hot water

20:49:13 nubbins`: inventor ragequit the coffeegeek forums after a months-long argument about whether it's "espresso" or not :D

20:51:38 kakobrekla: well its pressed and its express

20:51:42 kakobrekla: how can it not be espresso

20:52:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55000481 BTC [-]

20:52:33 nubbins`: KRS-One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mdATGyziIY

20:52:51 Mats_cd03: whats worse than audio geeks? coffee nerds

20:53:48 kakobrekla: what you get so stoned you cant hold your bong anymore?

20:54:24 nubbins`: kakobrekla, the lel is that those bongs cost several hundred dollars apiece

20:54:36 nubbins`: and it's assumed that their owners are just going to start dropping them off tables etc

20:55:09 kakobrekla: you could hit someone on the head if you could remember who you wanted to hit

20:55:14 nubbins`: Mats_cd03: what's worse than people who like things? people who don't think you should like the things you like

20:55:19 nubbins`: kakobrekla, +!

20:55:21 nubbins`: +1 even

20:56:02 benkay: nubbins`: 'cause i really want my house smelling of bong water.

20:56:02 Mats_cd03: i like coffee, thc, and pussy

20:56:09 kakobrekla: well, its a saying, tell me who you hang out with and ill tell you who you are

20:56:16 Mats_cd03: i dont go on forums and post walls of text about any of those though

20:56:25 kakobrekla: pretty much same goes for , tell me what you like and ill tell you if you are a retard

20:56:44 nubbins`: Mats_cd03: unsure if i should offer congratulations

20:56:52 Mats_cd03: i guess i'm a consumer

20:56:59 Mats_cd03: not a connoiseur though

20:57:35 nubbins`: kakobrekla: i like bitcoin, coffee, bicycles, and printing

20:58:08 kakobrekla: you are fine

20:58:15 kakobrekla: except for the mac thing.

20:58:23 benkay: he's also a filthy pothead

20:58:25 pankkake: but printing is evil!

20:58:37 dub: i like white wimminz

20:59:01 nubbins`: heh

20:59:03 Mats_cd03: printing steals jobs from hard working bangladeshis and chinese

20:59:08 nubbins`: right, yeah, i like my laptop and drugs, too

20:59:12 Mats_cd03: (we're talking about 3d printing here right)

20:59:17 nubbins`: nah, 2d printing

20:59:23 nubbins`: what the fuck is 3d printing

20:59:26 kakobrekla: and those stupid cas coins.

20:59:37 nubbins`: yes, those stupid coins too

20:59:51 kakobrekla: you are not fine!

20:59:51 benkay: so kakobrekla nubbins` retarded or not?

20:59:52 nubbins`: did i tell you i sold one of those for 6btc recently? :0

21:00:39 kakobrekla: benkay its a hard case.

21:00:48 nubbins`: borderline retarded

21:00:55 kakobrekla: bikes coffee and bitcoin aint bad.

21:01:05 kakobrekla: mp would argue with the bike thing.

21:01:27 nubbins`: sure, but we're not all vulgar enough to have a driver cart us around ;p

21:01:47 benkay: hey d_rebel what's your deal

21:01:54 benkay: d_rebel why u change names constantly

21:01:58 Mats_cd03: what does cas come loaded with? 5btc?

21:02:10 nubbins`: Mats_cd03, there are a variety of denominations, from 0.1btc to 1000btc

21:02:29 Mats_cd03: o

21:02:59 kakobrekla: any they are _all_ useless pretty much

21:03:19 nubbins`: well don't tell that to the guy who paid 6btc for one loaded with 0.5btc

21:03:26 benkay: BWAT

21:03:27 d_rebel: i have no idea why that's happening.

21:03:29 kakobrekla: dafuq

21:03:45 nubbins`: it was an especially low mintage.

21:03:56 benkay: you crazy numismatists

21:03:56 kakobrekla: you mean especially retarded fella

21:04:04 nubbins`: well yes, that too

21:04:09 Mats_cd03: robbed

21:04:13 benkay: scammer!

21:04:20 nubbins`: hey, fuck you guys

21:04:20 benkay: nubbins` u scamzor!

21:04:23 nubbins`: he knew what he was buying

21:04:30 benkay: so do all pmb purchasers

21:04:34 nubbins`: HAH

21:04:36 nubbins`: no they don't

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21:04:43 kakobrekla: !b 10

21:05:13 benkay: nubbins` you just lost the moral high ground.

21:05:14 kakobrekla: maybe needs more contxt, ill decide later

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21:05:18 kakobrekla: !b 30

21:05:22 nubbins`: "assuming network difficulty stays the same..."

21:05:32 nubbins`: benkay, there's moral high ground in here?

21:05:56 nubbins`: pmb purchasers think "hey, mining = win" and the sellers say "assuming diff doesn't change..."

21:06:01 kakobrekla: hmm

21:06:03 Mats_cd03: KRS-One: how is whoisguard compared to safenames

21:06:04 benkay: "assuming this mintage is worth more than the underlying in the future"

21:06:11 kakobrekla: wasnt nubbing nagging someone couple of days or weeks ago

21:06:19 nubbins`: numismatic collectors think "hey, this will be worth more money in the future" and sellers say "maybe, dunno"

21:06:22 kakobrekla: re high moral grounds n stuffs

21:06:32 benkay: face it man we're all just dancing around trying to fuck each other

21:06:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0738 = 0.1476 BTC [+]

21:06:41 nubbins`: kakobrekla, i was giving tat grief over his rubecoin and pmb

21:06:44 Mats_cd03: id fuck you

21:06:49 benkay: yeah he's been banging on about pmbs being a scam

21:06:53 kakobrekla: ah yes .

21:06:57 pankkake: scammers scamming scammers

21:06:57 benkay: hasn't had the stones to call mp out on the same scam tho

21:07:13 kakobrekla: which one is that

21:07:18 nubbins`: f.pure.synth

21:07:24 nubbins`: AFAICT that was a scam too

21:07:35 nubbins`: just offered at a better rate than other similar scams

21:07:38 kakobrekla: lol

21:07:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00569999 = 0.3306 BTC [+] {3}

21:07:41 benkay: it's allllll just paper.

21:07:57 benkay: whether it's fancy paper with imaginary value now, or metal stamped paper with imaginary value in the future.

21:07:58 Chris_Sabian_: what about TAT?

21:08:01 nubbins`: anyway, all the info on f.pure.synth seems to be gone

21:08:10 nubbins`: so i wasn't able to suss out many details

21:09:06 benkay: it's not terribly complex. it's a pmb.

21:09:19 nubbins`: sure, but it was somehow tied into another pmb

21:09:27 benkay: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=65569.0

21:09:29 benkay: that'n

21:09:47 ozbot: [GLBSE] PureMining: Infinite-term, deterministic mining bond

21:09:48 nubbins`: yeah, it was essentially offering the same returns as that

21:09:52 nubbins`: but for a lower price

21:10:13 benkay: point is - life is a scam.

21:10:26 nubbins`: that's one outlook, yes

21:10:47 nubbins`: life's a scam, so you better try to get yours!

21:11:07 benkay: that's your play with the coins, certainly.

21:11:16 benkay: it's not a requirement.

21:11:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32094 @ 0.00087453 = 28.0672 BTC [+] {3}

21:11:52 nubbins`: you'd be surprised the margins i get on most of these coins

21:12:12 benkay: great scam!

21:12:17 benkay: great margins.

21:12:27 kakobrekla: amazing profit

21:12:27 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

21:12:57 nubbins`: unfortunately, getting 6btc for a coin that cost ~1.2btc is a very rare thing

21:13:34 mircea_popescu: good evening gents

21:13:39 nubbins`: more common to get ~0.1

21:13:43 nubbins`: evening

21:13:49 Apocalyptic: evening mircea

21:15:03 benkay: i get where you're coming from nubbins`, really i do

21:15:09 benkay: but bitcoins is fukken dangerous.

21:15:16 nubbins`: no argument there

21:15:18 benkay: not toys

21:15:18 mircea_popescu: bitcoins killd my auntie.

21:15:29 benkay: not 'consumer tech'

21:15:49 mircea_popescu: consumer tech also killed my auntie.

21:15:54 benkay: i suppose this is why normal humans aren't allowed to buy fancy paper in the us

21:16:05 benkay: they might get ripped off if they're not really smart and careful!

21:16:19 benkay: but there's 0.01% of people that are smart

21:16:21 asciilifeform: consumer tech demo

21:16:22 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mbD-LRTAIY

21:16:25 benkay: and 0.01% of people that are careful

21:16:31 ozbot: Monkey shooting in black with AK-47 (Kalashnikov) - YouTube

21:16:32 mircea_popescu: ripped off by the wrong people, even!

21:17:37 nubbins`: fancy paper

21:17:37 mircea_popescu: whoa it can handle the recoil ?

21:17:39 benkay: that makes like nobody that should be 'allowed' to play with these dangerous toys

21:18:11 benkay: or alternatively accept that 99.99999 of people are going to get fucked their whole lives, throw up hands and not give fucks.

21:18:13 asciilifeform: staged, if anyone didn't know.

21:18:14 mircea_popescu: somehow i imagined a monkey trying to fire an ak would end up flying.

21:18:19 mircea_popescu: what the fuck is it weigh, 50 lbs ?

21:18:27 nubbins`: what else can i do!

21:19:57 benkay: make the babes happy

21:20:01 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: well, if little kids can shoot em...

21:20:02 benkay: pursue personal power

21:20:12 nubbins`: benkay: but i'm already doing both of those things D:

21:20:16 asciilifeform: nobody cancelled newton's 3rd.

21:20:20 benkay: yeah so let the scammers alone

21:20:40 benkay: or at least stop trying to foist your differentiation of scams on -assets

21:20:54 mircea_popescu: wtf ?!

21:21:05 mircea_popescu: benkay whai ?!

21:21:10 nubbins`: hey, this was dead until you brought it up again :P

21:21:55 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, i've been inducted into the ranks of pmb/rubecoin pushers

21:22:06 mircea_popescu: what is that

21:22:11 mircea_popescu: jesus how long have i been asleep

21:22:19 benkay: fair 'nuff

21:22:36 mircea_popescu: last i recall i was talking revolucion with some guy

21:23:37 nubbins`: yeah last thing we heard from you was <mircea_popescu> time to shave my beard so i'll know how long i've been asleep

21:23:53 mircea_popescu: lmao

21:25:05 mircea_popescu: o wait pmb/rubecoin as in miner bonds and altchain scams ?

21:25:28 nubbins`: just go back like an hour

21:26:37 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i dunno if you've noticed this, but the logs are pretty much taylored for my convenience. if i'm up, an hour stretches over like 300 lines. yet the ten hours im asleep look in the log like an hour and a half.

21:27:28 nubbins`: that's got the makings of a great thesis statement

21:27:38 mircea_popescu: lol

21:27:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1200 @ 0.00083785 = 1.0054 BTC [+] {4}

21:28:34 nubbins`: http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/02/16/197236/mathematician-is-our-universe-a-simulation

21:28:46 nubbins`: ^ old hat to many of you, but stories like this always get my gears turning

21:28:57 ozbot: Mathematician: Is Our Universe a Simulation? - Slashdot

21:29:15 KRS-One: ozbot: I think so.

21:29:27 KRS-One: or it can at least be modelled mathematically

21:29:58 nubbins`: Mathematical knowledge is unlike any other knowledge. Its truths are objective, necessary and timeless.

21:30:11 KRS-One: haha

21:30:12 KRS-One: .bait

21:30:30 nubbins`: in a just universe, .bait would link you to the proof of a theorem

21:30:31 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8q213Qbu01ryjfq3o1_500.jpg

21:30:56 KRS-One: Eww, her bicycle seat gonna smell.

21:31:02 asciilifeform: http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/hbaker/hakmem/hacks.html#item154

21:31:03 ozbot: HAKMEM -- PROGRAMMING HACKS -- DRAFT, NOT YET PROOFED

21:31:11 asciilifeform: (obligatory re: universe sim)

21:32:49 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cads actualy, it is not, not that i don't appreciate your culture on the topic. the difference is subtly this : that what you propose is geared towards the present and the future, a matter of action, whereas what i was discussing was strictly as to the past and a matter of representation.

21:32:49 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:33:37 KRS-One: wonder if anyone has tried to pinpoint the location in the universe to the precise location where the big bang occurred, taking into account skew or any offset

21:33:52 KRS-One: there was the wmap project but that wasnt a specific goal

21:34:04 nubbins`: eh, not sure such a thing is yet possible

21:34:06 mircea_popescu: KRS-One the location where the big bang occured is not within the universe.

21:34:07 asciilifeform: likewise p != np because the kid playing sim-verse has a finite budget too...

21:34:14 mircea_popescu: or at least, not particularly more in one place than the other.

21:34:59 KRS-One: if everything came from the singularity wouldnt there be that specific point in some kind of reference to us?

21:35:11 mircea_popescu: nope.

21:35:23 nubbins`: well, what's your frame of reference for locating the singularity?

21:35:29 mircea_popescu: might as well try to determine where on your body is the place where your mom got laid.

21:35:30 KRS-One: earth obviously

21:35:35 mircea_popescu: obviously she didn't get laid on your body.

21:35:36 nubbins`: relative to earth? we're flying through space

21:35:50 KRS-One: right but if we can model the universe somewhat and reverse time..

21:35:56 mircea_popescu: but you can not reverse time.

21:35:59 KRS-One: we've done it with galaxies

21:36:00 nubbins`: ^

21:36:03 KRS-One: on sim's you can

21:36:05 mircea_popescu: no, we haven't lol.

21:36:11 mircea_popescu: sims are toys.

21:36:14 nubbins`: sims make assumptions

21:36:30 KRS-One: yeah

21:36:40 nubbins`: consider the benign case of two galaxies smashing together and merging

21:36:54 KRS-One: we've simluated that

21:36:55 nubbins`: is a sim gonna show you what those two galaxies looked like before they crashed?

21:37:06 nubbins`: if so, to what resolution? etc

21:37:28 KRS-One: ah

21:37:46 nubbins`: might as well do a simulation of a pile of rotten mush to see what shape the banana was

21:38:01 KRS-One: too many assumptions

21:38:08 nubbins`: or a simulation to see what shade of yellow the eggs in your cake were, etc

21:38:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10773 @ 0.0008752 = 9.4285 BTC [+]

21:38:20 ThickAsThieves: guys, if you suddenly pass out, i iz just rebooting

21:38:43 nubbins`: too many assumptions and too many one-way events

21:38:45 ThickAsThieves: LifeOS needs to repopulate scams

21:38:53 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, on the bright side, we won't remember being asleep

21:39:10 ThickAsThieves: we won't remember being alive either

21:39:28 nubbins`: or, to generalize: we won't

21:39:41 ThickAsThieves: sure we will

21:39:47 mircea_popescu: deadweasel just admitted to slashing a vietnamese girl while drunk ? or did i misread ?

21:40:18 ThickAsThieves: deadweasel spoke?

21:40:27 nubbins`: we will, yes, sure. but i'm talking about whether we won't

21:40:42 mircea_popescu: he said he was jacking a rabbit with slices of vietnamese waitress.

21:40:48 ThickAsThieves: ah yes

21:40:53 ThickAsThieves: weird guy that one

21:41:04 nubbins`: heh

21:41:18 mircea_popescu: especially... what i want to know is what he did to the weasel.

21:41:21 ThickAsThieves: mustve got confused which part was sushi

21:41:29 mircea_popescu: they're both sushi.

21:41:40 KRS-One: heh

21:41:50 nubbins`: i think wait staff does too much running around to make good eating

21:41:56 ThickAsThieves: Bugpowder it's falling again!

21:42:02 ThickAsThieves: get out yer wallet

21:42:10 nubbins`: ideally you want a combination of little/no exercise and healthy eating

21:42:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.00087702 = 54.2875 BTC [+] {2}

21:42:17 nubbins`: but those two things so rarely go together

21:42:26 davout: !t x.eur

21:42:26 assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?

21:42:36 mircea_popescu: "Enky makes good posts" << is this the guy that bought t credits and rated me for it >?

21:42:42 davout: hmm how does that thing work?

21:42:49 mircea_popescu: !t m x.eur

21:42:50 assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 (450 shares, 0.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00194567 / 0.00201007 / 0.00218173 (3800 shares, 7.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00166114 / 0.00179489 / 0.00218173 (21300 shares, 38.23 BTC)

21:42:50 ThickAsThieves: enky knows kako i think

21:42:57 davout: mircea_popescu: ty

21:43:09 ThickAsThieves: do they do that 4x thing together?

21:43:23 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust enikesha

21:43:23 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user enikesha: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=enikesha | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=enikesha | Rated since: Sun Sep 16 18:40:11 2012

21:43:25 mircea_popescu: tthat guy ?

21:43:32 ThickAsThieves: dont think so

21:43:33 mircea_popescu: i would guess not huh

21:43:37 ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust enky

21:43:38 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user enky: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=enky | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=enky | Rated since: never

21:43:42 ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust enky2

21:43:43 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user enky2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=enky2 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=enky2 | Rated since: never

21:43:43 mircea_popescu: myeah nm, just my head got impacted.

21:44:34 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder:

21:44:34 mircea_popescu: Maybe that was the last quoted price before the MPOEbot went down. << exactly.

21:44:37 nubbins`: better your head than your bowel

21:44:48 mircea_popescu: FabianB no it's the last quoted.

21:45:57 mircea_popescu: benkay:sell everyone cardanos at 1000x markup. << i think you're the fifth guy planning to do basically that.

21:46:24 mircea_popescu: buy $5k worth of cardanos and $15k worth of suits, hassle execs for three months and bill $3.5mn worth of bs.

21:46:56 mod6: are they ready to order?

21:46:59 nubbins`: now that's pulchritude

21:47:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: benkay: what kind of idiot would buy at 1000x? << the kind of idiot that expects service, which maximally extended is the kind of idiot who only deals with people in his wot. so basically, any serious businessman.

21:47:25 mircea_popescu: that's why startups have advantages in the mktplace.

21:47:31 mircea_popescu: mod6 not just yet.

21:47:33 asciilifeform: 1000x sounds a bit tall, that's all.

21:47:36 mod6: ok thx :)

21:47:41 mircea_popescu: a like that. well maybe.

21:47:59 cazalla: cads around?

21:48:05 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3500/(15+5)

21:48:05 gribble: 175

21:48:12 mircea_popescu: 100x!

21:49:11 mircea_popescu: benkay:if the opportunity presents itself i'd be happy to. i'm not about to cold-call all the international law firms in dc, though. <<< because why ?

21:49:24 asciilifeform: main challenge will be assisting noobs in learning to 'tell shit from shinola.'

21:49:48 mircea_popescu: that's exactly equal to saying cca 2009 "well if some bitcoins appear on my harddrives i'll be glad. i'm not abouit to run bs code on my computer which i need for trying to strip naked the sims"

21:50:04 ThickAsThieves: <asciilifeform> main challenge will be assisting noobs in learning to 'tell shit from shinola.' /// sounds like competition is needed

21:50:12 ThickAsThieves: maybe make two rival companies

21:50:20 asciilifeform: S.KGB

21:50:28 nubbins`: s.hit and s.hinola

21:50:45 mircea_popescu: benkay:

21:50:45 mircea_popescu: there is an awful chasm between people who want encryption and people who are willing to operate under the inconvenience of actual security. << into the permanent records of bitcoin-assets this goes.

21:50:49 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you have to draw that one.

21:51:12 benkay: mircea_popescu: did you see the part where i said "although..." trailing off while pondering the work/payoff function?

21:51:34 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, there comes a point where you have to turn it into an abstract

21:51:38 mircea_popescu: benkay no. i only read the parts that i can use (twice). the rest i don't read at all :D

21:52:09 benkay: mircea_popescu: funny man

21:52:19 mircea_popescu: nubbins` ok, let's try as an abstract : there's an awful chasm \between the people who want to cum and the people who are willing to operate under the inconvenience of actually getting all that girlslime all over their cock.

21:52:33 benkay: the inconvenience of girlslime!?

21:52:39 mircea_popescu: it's abstract man.

21:52:40 asciilifeform: i was just gonna throw that in

21:52:52 mircea_popescu: whoa i beat someone at the quick typing game once.

21:53:02 mircea_popescu: now i can die happy. or at least content. or whatever.

21:53:05 ThickAsThieves: girlslime, pretty sure thatd make the politically incorrect list

21:53:10 ThickAsThieves: and snailtrail

21:53:25 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves should it be gender-balanced-lubrication ?

21:53:39 asciilifeform: 'wd-40' for all.

21:53:47 asciilifeform: no discriminatory advantage permitted!

21:53:50 mircea_popescu: you know the girls do most of the sliming. which is kind of weird seeing how the boys get most of the hurt if they didn't.

21:54:35 mod6: lol @ snailtrail.

21:54:44 ThickAsThieves: so any predictions what gox will announce?

21:54:51 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves chemtrails.

21:55:14 ThickAsThieves: i'm going with "btc withdrawals are now partially open, so we can monitor the situation

21:55:20 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, are chemtrails the result of quadriplegic women on chemo moving about the hospital ?

21:55:24 ThickAsThieves: then a wave of everyone saying they cant get coins out

21:56:20 mod6: then a wave of everyone pelting magicaltwit with flaming bags of dog shit

21:56:32 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/k8F31RR

21:56:33 mircea_popescu: magicallol

21:56:39 nubbins`: no cocks necessary.

21:56:45 ThickAsThieves: well scammers find ways to drag it out

21:56:55 mircea_popescu: nubbins` pretty good!

21:56:58 mircea_popescu: want some atc ?

21:56:59 ThickAsThieves: maybe they release some coins for vocal customers

21:57:14 ThickAsThieves: take the atc nubs

21:57:17 ThickAsThieves: you know you wanna

21:57:21 ThickAsThieves: be one of us michael

21:57:40 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: sure, send 'em to 1AltcoinSucksCocks<however many extra chars necessary to make length>

21:57:47 mircea_popescu: hater.

21:57:57 nubbins`: who's michael?

21:58:01 mircea_popescu: you do realise that without a hater atc would never win.

21:58:13 nubbins`: my pleasure to be a necessary cog

21:58:22 mircea_popescu: nubbins, the necessary cog

21:58:27 mircea_popescu: sounds like a good title for a kids book

21:58:29 ThickAsThieves: its from that vampire movie

21:58:31 nubbins`: or a business card

21:58:32 ThickAsThieves: lost boys?

21:58:37 mircea_popescu: nubbins` or that.

21:58:46 nubbins`: best business card title i ever saw was "scrabble blank feeler"

21:59:00 mircea_popescu: da fuck is that ?!

21:59:05 mod6: haha

21:59:16 nubbins`: heh. well you have played scrabble, yes?

21:59:20 mircea_popescu: i have.

21:59:29 ThickAsThieves: "cheater"

21:59:40 nubbins`: and players often put the tiles in a bag

21:59:51 mircea_popescu: i like playing "all languages scrabble" but generally people dont want to

21:59:52 nubbins`: the scrabble blank feeler takes an extra long time getting his tiles.

21:59:57 mircea_popescu: o i see

22:00:00 mircea_popescu: haha

22:00:01 asciilifeform: nope. this one -

22:00:02 asciilifeform: http://cooperostresh.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/myproof2.jpg%3Fw%3D620

22:00:02 nubbins`: :D

22:00:06 nubbins`: brilliant, no?

22:00:07 mircea_popescu: this is verboten in my harem.

22:00:24 nubbins`: now that's a nice business card

22:00:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reminds me of an old blog post lemme see

22:00:49 nubbins`: perforated blotter art would make an amusing card too

22:00:56 nubbins`: "law-abiding citizen"

22:01:08 asciilifeform: or,

22:01:08 asciilifeform: http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/businesscard_01_08.png%3Fw%3D580%26h%3D352

22:01:09 mircea_popescu: http://www.actsofgord.com/Chronicles/chapter36.php

22:01:33 mircea_popescu: nubbins` nah, Sovereign Druglord

22:01:40 mircea_popescu: in weird type and rainbow collors.

22:01:42 mod6: yeah that one looks like mitnick's card: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fx1mFaheb0o/ThBJ9EP0XhI/AAAAAAAAEkQ/RLNs2xcYz1g/s1600/106709219_6c8be9703b_z.jpg

22:01:57 nubbins`: heh.

22:02:02 asciilifeform: prisoners get cards?

22:02:14 nubbins`: "J. Keefe, sovereign"

22:02:27 mod6: asciilifeform: post release

22:02:44 asciilifeform: the post-release one probably reads 'obedient peon' ?

22:02:51 mircea_popescu: nubbins` with a picture of a pinky ring o nthe back for the recipient to kiss

22:03:12 nubbins`: we want encryption, not a fucking bridge

22:03:18 nubbins`: that has a ring to it

22:03:21 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

22:03:24 mod6: after he was released he was on Tech-TV or something and said, "yeah, its nice to be out... but i gotta wait like a year or something to get a cell phone... and I hvae this ankle bracelt for a few months.."

22:03:29 asciilifeform: obligatory russian drowning joke

22:03:38 mircea_popescu: do i know that one ?

22:03:41 nubbins`: ankle bracelet, fancy

22:03:56 asciilifeform: some time in medieval times, a father is leading his useless-mouth son to be drowned

22:04:00 nubbins`: house arrest is usually on the honor system here

22:04:18 asciilifeform: they pass an old man who says, 'don't drown this fellow. i'll feed him dumplings, he won't have to do any work but to dip them'

22:04:24 asciilifeform: son: 'whatdoyamean i gotta dip them'

22:04:32 asciilifeform: old man: 'drown him, father, drown, drown.'

22:04:39 mircea_popescu: o o o yeah!

22:06:12 cazalla: i enjoyed his book from 2-3 years ago

22:06:59 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: you could hit someone on the head if you could remember who you wanted to hit << epic.

22:07:34 ThickAsThieves: evoorhees seems to be posting on reddit lately

22:07:41 ThickAsThieves: doing panic control

22:07:47 mircea_popescu: jeez kako is on a roll.

22:07:48 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: every time i hear "one of us" i think of that old movie "freaks" or w/e it's called

22:08:04 nubbins`: gooble gobble!

22:08:37 nubbins`: if kako was any sharper he'd cut himself

22:08:38 ThickAsThieves: the correct quote was "Drink this Michael. Become one of us"

22:08:38 benkay: rad illustration nubbins`

22:08:48 ThickAsThieves: had to look it up

22:08:52 benkay: being a stick figure is disappointing though

22:09:02 nubbins`: benkay, couldn't find my sketchbook OR a pen. threw me off.

22:09:07 asciilifeform: mitnick, the fellow who was kept in solitary because judge declared 'will start ww3 by whistling' ?

22:09:21 jurov: what does evoorhees and kakobrekla? i feel completely out of loop

22:09:39 cazalla: interesting that i ran into evoorhees prior to bitcoin (wickedfire)

22:09:54 mircea_popescu: <benkay> being a stick figure is disappointing though << talk to the cook.

22:10:09 mircea_popescu: say "woman, make me a sammich. god knows being a stick figure is disappointing enough"

22:10:45 mircea_popescu: jurov you seen teh log ?

22:11:21 jurov: no, fell hopelessly behind last few days

22:11:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00087257 = 9.162 BTC [-] {2}

22:12:51 mircea_popescu: dub: i like white wimminz << why is that ?

22:13:27 ThickAsThieves: better slime

22:13:32 mircea_popescu: is it ?

22:13:57 ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt know, the only time i had a chance with a black girl i wasnt single

22:14:06 mircea_popescu: i don't much like other race womenz. i mean creoles can be insanely hot, but otherwise, black, yellow, eskimo, w/e, they're all ugly.

22:14:22 mircea_popescu: and i imagined it's prolly the same for everyone.

22:14:37 benkay: http://openlibernet.org/faq.html

22:14:38 ThickAsThieves: i find other races hot too

22:14:50 ozbot: Frequently Asked Questions

22:14:51 mircea_popescu: (creole meaning in that sentence, woman with some white ancestry)

22:15:09 mircea_popescu: 2. What?s wrong with the current internet?

22:15:09 mircea_popescu: Many things actually. First of all, it is important to remember that the internet didn?t just come to be in its current form.

22:15:13 mircea_popescu: benkay sorry, disqualified

22:15:15 mircea_popescu: FOR STUPIDITY.

22:15:45 nubbins`: benkay, http://imgur.com/se0YPEr

22:15:45 pankkake: doesn't work without javascript

22:15:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7041 @ 0.00022942 = 1.6153 BTC [-] {11}

22:15:48 nubbins`: me shrugs

22:15:51 pankkake: that's what is wrong with the internet

22:15:57 nubbins`: me forgets the /

22:16:19 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla:mp would argue with the bike thing. << how the fuck does he know that.

22:16:21 benkay: http://openlibernet.org/paper/open-libernet.pdf

22:16:30 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you've been fucking my womenz on the quiet ?!

22:16:45 pankkake: you wrote about bikes being an instrument of evil remember?

22:16:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2262 @ 0.000229 = 0.518 BTC [-] {3}

22:16:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12849999 = 1.285 BTC [+]

22:16:50 mircea_popescu: o i did ? k.

22:16:52 nubbins`: ha.

22:17:03 mircea_popescu: people reading my blogz and drilling my womenz ON THE QUIET

22:17:23 nubbins`: can't very well do it on the loud

22:17:29 kakobrekla: id still double check on the womans thing.

22:17:35 benkay: mircea_popescu: it's got awful js and css - that's how you know REAL PROGRAMMERS built it

22:17:36 mircea_popescu: nubbins` why does your guy have bycicle wheels in his eye sockets dood

22:17:43 benkay: nubbins`: is that me?

22:17:58 nubbins`: benkay, mircea_popescu: artistic license

22:18:01 mircea_popescu: you know it suddenly dawned on me... nubbins can't actually draw.

22:18:05 mircea_popescu: i think he might be blind.

22:18:09 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: shh, don't tell the clients

22:18:13 benkay: mircea_popescu: why u no bikes? how ams evil?

22:18:33 mircea_popescu: benkay bikes make men impotent. walking makes girl ass and legs look great.

22:18:35 mircea_popescu: you sort it out.

22:18:37 asciilifeform: nubbins`: iosif vissarionovich!

22:18:38 b00lcrap: 1234

22:18:57 bo0lcrap: hey why shouldn't you fart in an apple store?

22:19:09 bo0lcrap: because they dont have windows!

22:19:12 mircea_popescu: because the metrosexuals may fall in love ?

22:19:20 nubbins`: heh.

22:19:25 mircea_popescu: mine's better.

22:19:35 nubbins`: anyway, regarding my ability to draw

22:19:41 mircea_popescu: what, is that a topic ?

22:19:47 nubbins`: is now!

22:19:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12849999 = 0.514 BTC [+]

22:20:00 nubbins`: there's a reason why i asked pascale to draw those heraldics and not me ;p

22:20:18 mircea_popescu: she never drew you ?

22:20:21 asciilifeform: "We are still at idea stage. We?ve built a few simulations to test some parts of the system, but the main development hasn?t begun. We have published our whitepaper, which explains.."

22:20:27 nubbins`: ooh, good one

22:20:32 nubbins`: she has, in fact, drawn me

22:20:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could this be merged into the yarvin thing ?

22:21:00 nubbins`: i'm not much for realism tho

22:21:03 nubbins`: takes too much talent

22:21:06 asciilifeform: it could just as easily be merged into Duke Nukem XXX.

22:21:12 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i however am much for criticism!

22:21:14 nubbins`: heh

22:21:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lmao. maybe it should.

22:21:31 nubbins`: well you'll be happy to know that the band lapped up my snorting-coffee-grounds image:

22:21:33 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/cXupn13

22:21:34 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

22:21:43 nubbins`: i even have a picture of a smiling hipster wearing it, one sec

22:21:49 mircea_popescu: its actually pretty good

22:21:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0055 = 0.385 BTC

22:22:03 mircea_popescu: it takes decent advantage of your few strengths while carefully avoiding all your numerous weaknesses.

22:22:09 benkay: haha

22:22:10 nubbins`: sorry, n/m, the hipster is not smiling