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00:01:05 jurov: "Duration: 2 years" (from the CBP link) how do i parse this?

00:01:23 jurov: that's enough for master's degree :)

00:03:04 jurov: aaaahh i saw "renewal fee" and it clicked.. apparently they plan to make bitcoin obsolete after 2 years?

00:04:42 jurov: i think i can take it, if paid. hence, how much?

00:10:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119394 @ 0.0004044 = 48.2829 BTC [+]

00:11:01 jurov: linux-unwind.h:138: error: field 'info' has incomplete type << asciilifeform haven't you missed this? (from gnat.txt)

00:11:30 jurov: going off, laters!

00:12:01 thestringpuller: jurov: .2xxx btc I'll pay it...for freedom of press and stuff.

00:12:38 thestringpuller: cazalla: I guess we should discuss potential article from findings if this goes through.

00:13:54 cazalla: thestringpuller, i just sat down then so need to catch up on logs etc

00:14:38 cazalla: smashed my iphone in a burst of anger so.. no more apple products here (ipad already went out the window)

00:15:36 asciilifeform: jurov: eagle eyes, ty

00:15:47 asciilifeform: jurov: http://forge.ispras.ru/issues/4295 << interestingly, ancient issue, afaik never fixed.

00:15:48 assbot: Bug #4295: Issue between aspectator and new glibc at different architectures - C Instrumentation Framework - Open-Source Projects ... ( http://bit.ly/1EeRsYG )

00:15:55 cazalla: an utter absolute shit morning, sometimes it would be nice to be a shut in hermit with nobody with 10km

00:16:46 asciilifeform: cazalla: for our edification, care to describe the burst of anger ?

00:18:21 cazalla: asciilifeform, the why doesn't really matter.. lesson here is not to have 2fa on device you often have with you if prone to smashing things

00:19:16 asciilifeform: iirc, mircea_popescu is also a 'smasher'

00:19:44 *: asciilifeform wonders if he's the only fella here who has never rage-smashed a keyboard, pNohe, pNablet, ..., etc

00:21:32 cazalla: asciilifeform, the sound of breaking glass is actually quite soothing

00:28:01 *: danielpbarron yells at his iphone on a daily basis

00:29:14 danielpbarron: will be the last "smart" phone i ever buy (also happens to have been the first)

00:33:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57100 @ 0.00040674 = 23.2249 BTC [+] {2}

00:53:34 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> i carried it. << btcauditor when

00:58:29 asciilifeform: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536124

00:58:32 assbot: Bug 536124 – dev-lang/gnat-gcc-4.4.7 - In file included from .../work/gcc-4.4.7/gcc/unwind-dw2.c:333: .../work/gcc-4.4.7/gcc/config/i386/linux-unwind.h:138: error: field ‘info’ has incomplete type ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsPiHj )

00:58:34 asciilifeform: ^ yes, apparently documented bug

00:58:51 asciilifeform: ^ message to all shitgnomes: somewhere, in a forest, a pine tree is growing

00:59:09 asciilifeform: that will one day be cut down, at around two metre's height, and sharpened.

00:59:31 asciilifeform: (the stump, that is)

00:59:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42609 @ 0.00040978 = 17.4603 BTC [+] {2}

01:00:13 asciilifeform: ever time you sit down and submit a patch to something-or-other, knowing that it might silently break proggys used by actual people,

01:00:16 asciilifeform: think about that tree.

01:00:33 asciilifeform: and the arse it was born to slide into.

01:00:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16741 @ 0.00041322 = 6.9177 BTC [+]

01:03:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00041322 = 8.1818 BTC [+]

01:05:20 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> <mircea_popescu> i carried it. << btcauditor when << i guess once Pierre_Rochard gets bored of new york ?

01:05:38 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ message to all shitgnomes: somewhere, in a forest, a pine tree is growing << Why pine?

01:05:49 BingoBoingo: !up PeterL

01:06:02 PeterL: hi BingoBoingo

01:06:07 BingoBoingo: hi

01:06:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: birch works too

01:06:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: need the right thickness.

01:06:30 asciilifeform: not many birches in gringolandia though

01:06:50 thestringpuller: PeterL: is scoopbot okay?

01:07:11 BingoBoingo: Birches out here. My concern though was perhaps a tree with decent Urushiol content like cashew.

01:07:19 PeterL: doesn't look like it

01:07:23 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/0e66631d7cd8abd3ec022597794b13e5/tumblr_mkwp7sBFdK1s9tujho1_1280.jpg

01:07:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsQMRT )

01:07:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that just looks like an ordinary day at the dentist's.

01:07:59 mircea_popescu: mhm

01:08:20 thestringpuller: Dentist puts cock in your mouth?

01:08:20 PeterL: thestringpuller: It seems to be misbehaving since I added your blog?

01:08:33 thestringpuller: its cause I use tumblr :(

01:08:34 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: no cock in the photo

01:08:50 thestringpuller: cock will be inserted at some point, that is the purpose of device no?

01:09:04 thestringpuller: to keep mouth open despite insertion of cock

01:09:09 asciilifeform: or drill

01:09:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: like the barbarians who carved up roman mosaics for sword hilt 'bling' << once upon a time, thinking this is particularly romanian, wrote a romanian article about it

01:09:15 thestringpuller: ~_~

01:09:17 mircea_popescu: then i learned better.

01:09:26 asciilifeform: srsly, i'm pretty sure i've had that very gag in

01:09:38 asciilifeform: at the dentistinquisitioner's

01:09:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dja feel dirty yet ? :D

01:09:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00041322 = 15.5371 BTC [+]

01:09:43 asciilifeform: l0l

01:11:42 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: the indie developers killed it << no, they didn't. what killed it was the complete inability of the new generation to do any sort of useful work WHATSOEVER

01:11:45 mircea_popescu: even for their own amusement.

01:11:54 mircea_popescu: people born in the 50s played rogue for fun

01:12:22 mircea_popescu: people born in the 70s can scarcely cluck at the ipad screen without some sort of "CONGRATULATIONS!!1"

01:12:47 asciilifeform: wai, where

01:12:50 asciilifeform: 80s - rogue

01:12:53 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what's the difference?

01:12:55 asciilifeform: 90s - scarcely clutch

01:13:10 mircea_popescu: * numbers might not be exact

01:13:18 asciilifeform: 70s - 'advent'

01:13:24 asciilifeform: 60s - solved gnarly integrals for phun

01:13:46 thestringpuller: at least the 60s had better access to drugs?

01:13:56 asciilifeform: thestringpuller so usa-centric

01:14:30 thestringpuller: born 'an raised

01:15:40 thestringpuller: asciilifeform mircea_popescu people still play nethack for fun :P

01:16:05 asciilifeform: 'nethack' and other 'roguelikes' (anyone recall 'angband' ?) are sorta timeless

01:16:40 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/7de75d4ebda90e2d168a79213340fe62/tumblr_n54dwd5MBJ1sr11rlo1_400.gif

01:16:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsS9jD )

01:17:04 mircea_popescu: ^ marriage.

01:17:30 asciilifeform: wat

01:18:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and something like this is quite inevitable when a product degenerates to that level of necessary attention span << has nothing to do with the product, everything to do with the society.

01:18:18 mircea_popescu: in a world made out of equal idiots who don't have gpg sigs, THAT is the only possible human activity.

01:18:48 asciilifeform: ^ the activity shown in the chinese photo, in particular, yes.

01:18:54 asciilifeform: aka meatpuppetry.

01:19:13 mircea_popescu: yea

01:19:14 thestringpuller: there will always be mechanical turks

01:19:23 asciilifeform: though, strictly speaking there are two activities (the other being that of the meatpuppeteer, of course)

01:19:42 mircea_popescu: only for as long as the concept that "people can have ideas" and "tim swhatever knows hopw normal debates work"

01:19:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is not as different as it seams.

01:20:08 mircea_popescu: the difference between a goat and a goat herder is certainly not apparent to any passing lady of society.

01:20:15 asciilifeform: in as much as he too would rather be elsewhere - aye

01:20:27 BingoBoingo: https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

01:20:30 assbot: Bitcoin Average Block Size ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsSJ0B )

01:20:30 mircea_popescu: no. inasmuch as *elsewhere* can tell.

01:24:35 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdlcllvbtU1rk1wwgo1_1280.jpg

01:24:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsTnvg )

01:24:49 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so qntra can report on the derpage? << reporting on the idiocy is doing it more service than it deserves in any perspective.

01:25:11 mircea_popescu: simple strategic thinking : first, let them put some skin in the game, by for instance creating a "Bitcoin Consultancy"

01:25:22 mircea_popescu: then, let them go into business, by for instance signing a contract to "save" Bitcoinica

01:25:38 mircea_popescu: THEN ruin them utterly, so that everyone involved still, to this day, can't get work like Strateman.

01:25:50 mircea_popescu: this is how you deal with aspirational muppets, not by reporting on their idiocy.

01:26:22 mircea_popescu: jurov: doubt even satoshi himself would pass << why do you think he pulled a runner.

01:26:48 PeterL: a fool who keeps his mouth shut is counted wise

01:28:06 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller> my biggest hesitation is the << your hesitation is correct. at this stage qntra wouldn't report on that shit even if *they* paid.

01:28:45 mats: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html

01:28:46 assbot: ACM Classic: Reflections on Trusting Trust ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsTWVT )

01:28:58 asciilifeform: mats: you just met this ?!!

01:28:58 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: THEN ruin them utterly, so that everyone involved still, to this day, can't get work like Strateman. << MagicalTux falls in this category. I don't think any of the DERP lists have management with WoT identities.

01:29:13 thestringpuller: (F.DERP listings that is)

01:29:15 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> iirc, mircea_popescu is also a 'smasher' << keyboards tho.

01:29:26 mats: asciilifeform: yes :(

01:30:56 mircea_popescu: thompson's self-diddling compiler is mentioned in the logs on a ~5 month period

01:34:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38800 @ 0.00040421 = 15.6833 BTC [-]

01:41:33 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/465104f1ba6c1647997207a2001cc153/tumblr_mxrij9HZZg1ra163eo5_r1_250.gif << the new systemlinux

01:41:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsVOOa )

01:41:36 mircea_popescu: !up tardstalker

01:47:55 BingoBoingo: Rectum? Nearly kill e dum http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2954500/American-youth-seriously-gored-bull-Spain.html

01:47:57 assbot: American Benjamin Miller gored by bull at Ciudad Rodrigo's Carnaval del Toro in Spain yesterday | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsWOSu )

01:50:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.0003992 = 12.1956 BTC [-] {3}

01:53:12 BingoBoingo: http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/02/13/weisenberger-indicted-simple-assault/23349985/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=

01:53:14 assbot: Madison Co. judge accused of racial abuse indicted ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsXI1r )

01:54:21 asciilifeform: 'The attorney for Charles Plumpp said Weisenberger arrested and jailed her client, who is African American, on the nonexistence charge of "roaming livestock."'

01:54:23 asciilifeform: ^ l0l!

01:56:16 BingoBoingo: It's like one of those Russian skits on Usian racial policies in the 1950's

01:56:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or a judge that 'needed to have problems' for some reason unknown to us

01:57:03 asciilifeform: how do you suppose they line up the pliant judges

01:57:16 asciilifeform: by wishing really hard ?

01:57:35 BingoBoingo: Most country governments tend to let the judges go a bit feral

01:57:46 asciilifeform: when it sums to harmless.

01:58:19 punkman: roaming livestock is no joke

01:58:39 asciilifeform: put the bull back in his yoke

01:59:10 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bter-com-alleges-theft-of-7170-btc/

01:59:11 assbot: Bter.com Alleges Theft Of 7170 BTC | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsYATz )

02:00:32 punkman: (spotted local news the other day about idiot that let his sheep wander all over some town, they rounded them up, will charge him 50eu per head to get them back. or to the butcher's if he doesn't claim them in 2 weeks)

02:00:58 asciilifeform: punkman: 50eu per head << what are they worth, approximately ?

02:01:09 punkman: more than that

02:01:15 asciilifeform: presumably

02:01:17 asciilifeform: but how much

02:01:43 punkman: I suppose you can get a decent sheep for 150-200

02:03:13 asciilifeform: qntra article << wai wat, there are/were actual companies registered in virgin islands? not merely mail boxes for sp4mz0rz ?

02:03:39 punkman: wrong, actually more like 110-120 for 1 year old sheep in local classifieds

02:03:58 BingoBoingo: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Muhammad_Sex_Simulator_2015

02:04:00 assbot: Muhammad Sex Simulator 2015 - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsZmjE )

02:04:56 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> how do you suppose they line up the pliant judges << good point this.

02:06:02 mircea_popescu: cazalla lmao they had 7k btc like roger ver has what to pay the gas bill with.

02:09:08 asciilifeform: his gas bill will be complimentary of usg

02:09:16 asciilifeform: or if kitchen gas - then yes

02:09:25 BingoBoingo: http://www.bnd.com/2015/02/13/3661065/judge-rejects-600-pound-mans-request.html#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop << Javascript off to circumvent paywall

02:09:27 assbot: Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1At0hAB )

02:09:54 mircea_popescu: lmao js paywall.

02:09:59 mircea_popescu: the layers of idiocy srsly.

02:10:26 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expected the 'request' to be for hanging rather than electric chair, or the like

02:10:37 asciilifeform: (when else does fat of the prisoner play a part)

02:11:22 BingoBoingo: tits for the one's who've been in there a while to play with?

02:11:45 asciilifeform: unrelated, gnat-gcc-4.6.4 does in fact build.

02:12:34 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/ossessione/ << if anyone's looking for a good 40s film.

02:12:35 assbot: Ossessione pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At0JyK )

02:14:09 BingoBoingo: other news on the Illinois collapse http://thesouthern.com/ap/state/state-owes-some-illinois-state-police-troopers-each/article_bc848ee1-a58e-5071-85bf-4ed487f19f68.html

02:14:10 assbot: State owes some Illinois State Police troopers $10,000 each : State ... ( http://bit.ly/1At118U )

02:17:12 mircea_popescu: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-8452.ZD1.html << apparently consensus has been poorly understood by the supreme court no less, as early as 2002.

02:17:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhlmbf )

02:17:16 mircea_popescu: "if we like it it

02:17:19 mircea_popescu: 's consensus!"

02:17:58 mircea_popescu: "The Court pays lipservice to these precedents as it miraculously extracts a ?national consensus? forbidding execution of the mentally retarded, ante, at 12, from the fact that 18 States?less than half (47%) of the 38 States that permit capital punishment (for whom the issue exists)?have very recently enacted legislation barring execution of the mentally retarded. Even that 47% figure is a distorted one. If one

02:17:58 mircea_popescu: is to say, as the Court does today, that all executions of the mentally retarded are so morally repugnant as to violate our national ?standards of decency,? surely the ?consensus? it points to must be one that has set its righteous face against all such executions. Not 18 States, but only seven?18% of death penalty jurisdictions?have legislation of that scope."

02:18:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24809 @ 0.00041073 = 10.1898 BTC [+] {2}

02:18:52 mircea_popescu: the libertard is a particularly insidious totalitarian, in that he doesn't even admit his outright enmity to liberalism.

02:22:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60781 @ 0.00041505 = 25.2272 BTC [+] {2}

02:29:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00042132 = 16.8317 BTC [+]

02:34:37 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2uek9v/famous_bitcoin_shill_andreas_anontopolous_will/co7x5om <<< this is possibly the lulziest thing i saw all day.

02:34:38 assbot: dgerard comments on Famous Bitcoin shill Andreas Anontopolous will attempt to convince the DPR jury into buying bitcoins. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At49S3 )

02:34:59 mircea_popescu: so : the powerless have decided that the way to attack me is through... google bombing.

02:35:28 mircea_popescu: but since they do not wish to o may gawd promote my stuff with their impotent brownian motion, they use some sort of google juice filter (no idea if it works).

02:35:39 mircea_popescu: think about that for a minute : google bombing through a google separator.

02:35:48 decimation: asciilifeform: that 'intel boot guard' is scary

02:35:50 ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> asciilifeform: random question. If someone paid for you to take Buterin's C4 (Certified Bitcoin Professional) exam, would you do it? << wait, CBP is a Buterin project?

02:36:09 mircea_popescu: ;;google don't go chasing butterfalls

02:36:10 gribble: Chasing Waterfalls - VISITvortex: http://www.visitvortex.com/magazine/summer2012-chasing-waterfalls; Watkins Glen State Park - Watkins Glen, NY | Yelp: http://www.yelp.com/biz/watkins-glen-state-park-watkins-glen; Buttermilk Falls Campground (Shunk, PA) - Campground Reviews ...: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g53680-d1645393-Reviews-Buttermilk_Falls_Campground- (1 more message)

02:36:25 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WEtxJ4-sh4

02:36:27 assbot: TLC - Waterfalls - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1At4qVg )

02:37:00 cazalla: lol fraudsters is do not link on buttcoin?

02:37:43 cazalla: i guess that is no unexpected from a bunch of idiots who ban me from commenting in their subreddit but upvote qntra anyway

02:39:31 BingoBoingo: Well reddit is all nofollow links anyways

02:39:50 mircea_popescu: i don't think google actually honors those.

02:40:02 mircea_popescu: it mines them for info, yes, but it doesn't actually give the users any power.

02:40:05 BingoBoingo: Prolly depends who is implementing it.

02:40:13 mircea_popescu: would be contrary to what they do generally, anyway.

02:40:33 BingoBoingo: Google does't act generally anymore though

02:40:44 BingoBoingo: That's why it is so broken

02:41:02 mircea_popescu: https://freereiser.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/whoops/ << this IS pretty lulzy

02:41:03 assbot: Whoops | Hans Reiser Is Innocent ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhmXhg )

02:41:38 mircea_popescu: then again, i don't see any of the "Global Warming ? opps!" "QE ? oops!" etc posts from the libertards, so i guess a slightly cleaner toad is still the prettier princess.

02:46:58 BingoBoingo: Hearn foundation client update: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vveeq/using_mike_hearns_bitcoin_xt_instead_of_bitcoin/colk0t9

02:47:00 assbot: LifeIsSoSweet comments on Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At6koP )

02:51:23 mircea_popescu: "Cantidad dormitorios: 2 / Cantidad ba?os: 3"

02:51:47 mircea_popescu: i suppose this is Departamentos Diarrhea then ?

02:52:12 mircea_popescu: no shits left behind!

02:52:30 BingoBoingo: Nah, It's American style. Bathrooms are the new show of affluence

02:53:11 mircea_popescu: and yet you savages still don't have cunt basins as a regular fixture, amirite ?

02:53:30 BingoBoingo: Indeed, that would make each bathroom more expensive.

02:53:33 mircea_popescu: s/"what could one possibily need THAT for"/"what is oral sex???"/

02:54:31 BingoBoingo: The goal in contemporary American home architecture as espoused by HGTV is concealing from visitors the set of bathrooms used for actual bathroom functions

02:59:32 decimation: mircea_popescu: it's now common in modern us 'tract' homes that the build has no air vent in the kitchen

02:59:43 BingoBoingo: These are a people for whom hiring professional cleaners even annually is considered a luxury expense.

02:59:51 mircea_popescu: what.

03:00:01 mircea_popescu: so the 3rd is actually for guests ?!

03:00:08 mircea_popescu: holy shit why, because stray pubic hairs ?

03:00:21 decimation: the 'replacement' is a recirculating fan with a 'filter' that doesn't work at all

03:00:22 mircea_popescu: because no one may be a maid so nobody ever cleans a bahtroom so htey're filthy ? why ?

03:00:40 mircea_popescu: decimation but you can just open the window neh ?

03:00:54 decimation: sure, when it's -10C

03:00:58 *: mircea_popescu never liked kitchen air vents. they generally favour infestations.

03:01:36 decimation: the reason they lack them is apparently because the builders could be liable for the kitchen fires that happen when nobody cleans out the air vent pipe

03:01:58 mircea_popescu: uh.

03:02:57 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> holy shit why, because stray pubic hairs ? << That and lingering urine smells, because "Clean when I moved in" is good enough to not justify cleaning ever again for the more degenerate Pindos

03:04:06 BingoBoingo: decimation: I find it lulzy when I encounter stovetop vents that pump air into the freezer

03:04:20 decimation: BingoBoingo: eh?

03:05:38 ben_vulpes: my stovetop vent vents into the apartment.

03:05:40 BingoBoingo: decimation: a few places I've seen the kitchen stovetop vent fan pipes air in the the neighboring fridge's freezer compartment because... Who fucking knows anymore

03:06:06 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> and yet you savages still don't have cunt basins as a regular fixture, amirite ? << why's the shower so inadequate?

03:06:16 BingoBoingo: https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/2/2d/L4nlogo.png

03:06:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1At9bxY )

03:06:41 decimation: BingoBoingo: sounds like they were 'supposed' to install an outdoor vent, and ended up installing nothing

03:08:12 BingoBoingo: decimation: Nah when you open the freezer while using the stove at a friend's place you get a definite fog of steaming out of the freezer. The only justification I can thing of is the hope freezing smells sequesters them?

03:08:57 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: post your x86 auto.sh on the listserv ? << any reason to not run with -xeu?

03:09:28 decimation: the real estate chumpatron in the us is finely tuned to prevent any actual person from being involv[\

03:09:30 decimation: ed with

03:09:43 decimation: supervising the design and construction

03:09:44 BingoBoingo: AH, here's the thing the inspired feminine linux https://gitorious.org/c-plus-equality/c-plus-equality/source/cefcfb4276889bd3833c539225a9cdfd3eb16d33:

03:09:45 assbot: ./ in c-plus-equality/c-plus-equality (cefcfb4276889bd3833c539225a9cdfd3eb16d33) - Gitorious ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhp2d9 )

03:10:09 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes << it's not, provided it specifically ISNT an usian shower

03:10:19 mircea_popescu: but instead the civilised model with 3 meter's worth of flexible chord.

03:10:57 decimation: those can be retrofit into us showers but are definitely 'out of fashion'

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03:11:50 BingoBoingo: <decimation> those can be retrofit into us showers but are definitely 'out of fashion' << Plenty of them in Nursing homes and higher end hotels (i.e. the ones foreigners can afford)

03:16:34 mircea_popescu: so how exactly is a woman supposed to wash standing while being rained upon ?

03:16:37 mircea_popescu: bleach her snatch ?

03:16:51 mircea_popescu: here's a hint : female genital washing mostly involved dilution not soap.

03:17:01 mircea_popescu: it's self-soaping, the vagina.

03:17:47 ben_vulpes: i've always been amused by the "bend over and get it wet" approach, but i'm a total noob.

03:18:20 mircea_popescu: if you think about it for a second, you realise what a fucking scandal this is.

03:18:29 mircea_popescu: "bend over and get it wet with stuff that washes off your arsehole"

03:19:37 decimation: I like the 'shower with a hose' because it makes it simple to rinse off the shower after cleaning

03:20:03 mircea_popescu: every usanistan obgyn that is not insane treats sporadic uti in healthy females the same way : "get a proper shower woman!"

03:20:34 mircea_popescu: the rest prescribe windex or w/e the fuck.

03:20:47 decimation: or they hand out antibiotics

03:21:49 mircea_popescu: decimation i suspect you lived (as in, with women) long enough to know exactly what antibiotics do to their bits ?

03:21:51 ben_vulpes: i am not accustomed to being responsible for female cleanliness!

03:22:08 danielpbarron: there's this commercial they keep airing about a product for women who have "swagger" which is apparently code for "fat smelly vag"

03:22:09 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this is more like management than execution.

03:22:55 decimation: mircea_popescu: they also ruin the gut fauna

03:23:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wai wat !?! where did you see a freezer with an air inlet hose, and can you swear that you were sober ?

03:23:14 mircea_popescu: yes, but you can't just throw some yogurt into your cunt.

03:23:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly i just skipped over all that, it's too insane.

03:23:43 asciilifeform: l0l

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03:24:07 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Rental house in southern Illinois. When there I am frequently drunk but been there enough times to verify this sober while cleaning.

03:24:20 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so what happens at the joints ?

03:24:22 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: who sells this? and can you describe that it looked like ?

03:24:25 asciilifeform: *what

03:24:26 mircea_popescu: 3 inches of styrofoam?

03:25:00 decimation: throw some yogurt < yes you can actually: http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/rephresh-pro-b-probiotic-feminine-supplement-capsules/ID=prod6003401-product

03:25:03 assbot: RepHresh Pro-B Probiotic Feminine Supplement Capsules | Walgreens ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhq5tp )

03:25:30 mircea_popescu: o.O

03:25:43 mircea_popescu: the land of the free, where stupidity creates a whole industry!

03:25:56 mircea_popescu: i guess it must be good for the economy.

03:26:02 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Silver hose come out of wall goes into freezer. Snake sent throug hose strikes over stove fan.

03:27:35 asciilifeform: some demented builder

03:27:48 *: asciilifeform unable to think of, much less find on net, any possible justification for this

03:27:52 decimation: that pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard

03:28:16 decimation: for one thing, venting into a closed box means that there's no venting

03:29:26 mircea_popescu: i still can't make sense of it.

03:29:32 mircea_popescu: no condensation around the hose ?

03:29:34 ben_vulpes: bb's trollin.

03:31:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63807 @ 0.00041437 = 26.4397 BTC [-]

03:32:32 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

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03:32:40 asciilifeform: re: gnat: 4.6.4 builds but actually attempting to use yields 'gnatgcc: fatal error: -fuse-linker-plugin, but liblto_plugin.so not found'

03:32:44 asciilifeform: ^ does anyone other than me care

03:32:57 asciilifeform: if not about gnat, the overall state of decay.

03:33:19 decimation: asciilifeform: what are you trying to compile that is written in ada?

03:33:32 asciilifeform: 'hello world'

03:33:37 decimation: heh

03:33:48 BingoBoingo: about decay yes. WFT "fix" was important enough to kill this

03:34:19 asciilifeform: who wants to laugh, but there are precisely two programming languages in existence which are 1) standardized and 2) you can -actually write complete systems- using -the language described in the standard-

03:34:31 asciilifeform: two and only two.

03:34:45 mircea_popescu: ada and lisp ?

03:34:50 asciilifeform: common lisp

03:34:53 asciilifeform: and yes - ada.

03:35:29 decimation: asciilifeform: even usg has abandoned ada

03:35:40 decimation: but not because it failed to serve a purpose

03:36:12 asciilifeform: (pet peeve of mine - 'lisp' (or worse, the '60s-ism LISP) is a hopelessly nonspecific term that encompasses languages that differ from one another far more even than 'algol' differs from 'c')

03:36:46 asciilifeform: decimation: usg, interestingly, did not entirely abandon. but under pressure from microshit (primarily) relaxed the ancient laws

03:37:44 asciilifeform: avionics, power plant controls, the like - systems whose failure reliably produces piles of corpses and messy 'pr' - are still very heavy on ada.

03:38:00 BingoBoingo: Also sun when they were monied enough to bezzel up Java

03:38:04 decimation: presumably they do not use gcc

03:38:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.0004195 = 20.5555 BTC [+]

03:38:11 asciilifeform: decimation: actually - they do

03:38:16 decimation: heh

03:38:35 asciilifeform: or rather, the ada component of gcc is based on the ancient usg-commissioned thing

03:39:09 asciilifeform: an ancient usg

03:39:19 decimation: I doubt they use x86 for such purposes either

03:39:34 asciilifeform: thing is mainly architecture-agnostic, interestingly

03:39:43 asciilifeform: (no big surprise to folks accustomed to gcc)

03:39:56 BingoBoingo: ^ most good things are architecture agnostic

03:40:28 asciilifeform: i advise folks to learn enough ada to understand why something quite like it is necessary.

03:40:50 asciilifeform: it is more or less the antithesis of the 'hip language'

03:40:59 asciilifeform: in being tremendously unpleasant to work in

03:41:02 decimation: the problem is that many of the promises of ada cannot be kept by the underlying hardware

03:41:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2450 @ 0.0007311 = 1.7912 BTC [-] {18}

03:41:36 asciilifeform: situation today is that most folks would not even notice a promise broken by hardware

03:41:42 asciilifeform: because it can be reliably blamed on softs.

03:42:04 asciilifeform: you more or less have to present a smoking cratered cpu to make others believe in 'it was the hardware'

03:42:49 decimation: yeah that's a good point

03:42:54 asciilifeform: there are interesting things to be learned from the ada approach, if you can pinch your nose and get past the 'ick factor'

03:43:06 asciilifeform: for instance, all error messages refer to a page in the rationale book

03:43:14 asciilifeform: (in traditional implementations)

03:43:33 asciilifeform: buffer overflows, pointer fandango, etc. - are impossible

03:43:42 asciilifeform: ^ without requiring a bulky 'runtime'

03:44:04 TheNewDeal: ;;Later tell TomServo sorry I missed you last evening. Went out for some drinks and left my irc on. Will be back thursday evening

03:44:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:45:37 asciilifeform: just what the doctor ordered for proggys whose behaviour (and error modes) must follow rigorous spec, or user - dies.

03:47:25 thestringpuller: a canadian appears

03:47:55 BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski

03:48:12 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah there's much to like in this approach

03:48:17 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B971P9XCEAIKleT.jpg

03:48:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhrDnk )

03:50:53 mod6: asciilifeform: in your portotronic script, the line `make STATIC=1 -f makefile.unix bitcoind` ends up doing "-Wl,-Bstatic ... -Wl,-Bdynamic" when actually executed because of the bug in the makefile.

03:51:07 decimation: asciilifeform: there's also ARINC standard 653 if you want an RTOS along with your ada

03:51:16 asciilifeform: mod6: odd. because i ended up with proper static linking

03:51:24 asciilifeform: mod6: did check the elf

03:51:30 mod6: is it appropriate to do `make LMODE="static" LMODE2="static" -f makefile.unix bitcoind` instead?

03:51:32 decimation: actually it would be interesting to know exactly what hardware is used in modern avionics

03:52:53 mod6: asciilifeform: no, i didn't im currently rebuilding.

03:53:12 mod6: sec...

03:53:50 mod6: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes might have the same problem with his, is there something he should be specifically looking for in the elf?

03:54:01 thestringpuller: jurov: PM me about how to go about renting aws instance.

03:55:46 asciilifeform: $ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf --dynamic bitcoind-armv5-bastard

03:55:46 asciilifeform: Dynamic section at offset 0x3f3874 contains 32 entries:

03:55:46 asciilifeform: Tag Type Name/Value

03:55:46 asciilifeform: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libdl.so.2]

03:55:46 asciilifeform: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libpthread.so.0]

03:55:47 asciilifeform: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libstdc++.so.6]

03:55:49 asciilifeform: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libm.so.6]

03:55:51 asciilifeform: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libgcc_s.so.1]

03:55:55 asciilifeform: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.6]

03:55:57 asciilifeform: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [ld-linux.so.3]

03:56:00 asciilifeform: [detail snipped]

03:56:15 asciilifeform: so everything but the std libs is statically linked in

03:56:21 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/just-how-stupid-is-the-redditard-crowd/ << one of the lulziest things on fraudsters.

03:56:22 assbot: Just how stupid is the Redditard crowd ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhshkC )

03:56:29 punkman: asciilifeform: is "z" not used, noticed you removed it from portatronic

03:56:33 mod6: i thought we didn't want to use shared libs? only static libs *.a's

03:56:45 asciilifeform: punkman: zlib is only demanded by the retarded version of boost

03:56:48 asciilifeform: forget after which date

03:56:52 asciilifeform: it isn't used in bitcoin, no.

03:57:30 asciilifeform: mod6: i overlooked the std lib stuff, was satisfied with not seeing openssl, boost, bdb. but you are quite right, this is not a proper static elf

03:57:56 asciilifeform: see if you can produce one.

03:58:03 mod6: ok. no problem. just trying to get it down to a spec

03:58:18 mod6: workin on it :)

03:59:52 decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.embedded.com/electronics-blogs/break-points/4025675/RTOS-dissatisfaction < "Safety-critical applications may need a certifiable OS. That's not one meant for an asylum, but one that can, for tolerable costs, be shown to conform to a standard like DO-178B. The costs are staggering; the certification process for one app I know of generated half a page of documentation per line of code."

03:59:56 assbot: RTOS dissatisfaction | Embedded ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhswMP )

04:00:16 asciilifeform: fortunately we are not interested in usg certificates.

04:00:25 decimation: have you played with http://micrium.com/rtos/ucosiii/overview/

04:00:26 assbot: µC/OS-III Overview | Micrium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhsBjy )

04:00:43 asciilifeform: but 'half a page of docs per line' is about what ought to be expected of 'therealbitcoin' when mature.

04:01:06 asciilifeform: decimation: yes. and i can't say that i am interested in any future direction of 'c os' on 'c machines'

04:01:08 asciilifeform: incl. it.

04:01:34 decimation: heh yeah

04:02:22 decimation: yeah, 'half a page of docs per line' is pretty much the same as your 'what does this line do?' test

04:02:29 asciilifeform: not quite

04:02:33 BingoBoingo: <decimation> have you played with http://micrium.com/rtos/ucosiii/overview/ << Wild guess here, but would bet at the right odds, FreeBSD userland on Minix like microkernel

04:02:34 assbot: µC/OS-III Overview | Micrium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhsBjy )

04:02:41 asciilifeform: the test is, in my imagination, an exam given in real time, in the flesh

04:02:47 asciilifeform: that is, reactive and unpredictable.

04:02:56 mircea_popescu: ^

04:03:03 asciilifeform: like soviet exams

04:03:04 mircea_popescu: someone's been reading on punishments.

04:03:25 decimation: asciilifeform: yes, of course, but the student must learn from something

04:03:30 asciilifeform: now that it came up, mircea_popescu did have a 'punishments' article that used something like that formula

04:03:42 ben_vulpes: "disproportionate" is in there too.

04:03:44 asciilifeform: iirc it was 'disproportionate, unpredictable,'

04:03:47 asciilifeform: and something else

04:04:03 mircea_popescu: ah, unrelated ?

04:04:08 mircea_popescu: well, sanity neverthleess.

04:04:20 asciilifeform: but yes related

04:04:35 asciilifeform: an exam is something like a punishment (for what? for having not yet demonstrated mastery, of course)

04:04:59 asciilifeform: not the same, but related, as a ladder is to a staircase

04:05:03 mircea_popescu: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/08/inconvenience/#rf4-858

04:05:04 assbot: Inconvenience | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhsUuI )

04:05:09 mircea_popescu: apparently it only exists in romanian anyways

04:05:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform impredictable, disproportionate and visible.

04:05:50 asciilifeform: aha!

04:05:51 asciilifeform: yes.

04:06:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which incidentally is the missing point in the supreme court discussion of punishment quoted as it happens earlier

04:06:48 mircea_popescu: they fail to consider that punishing the mentally retarded is a signal FOR EVERYONE

04:06:54 mircea_popescu: including the non-mentally retarded.

04:07:13 mircea_popescu: it's quite ridoinculous what sort of compartimentalised nonsense they sprout. you'd flunk senior hs essays for this

04:07:27 decimation: for this reason the us should bring back hangings and should televise them live

04:07:41 *: asciilifeform highly recomments the historic tour 'seeing justice done' by p. friedland. one of the very few good works on the subject

04:07:56 mircea_popescu: decimation i dunno if i descreibed it or not, but i think so : the prison zoo.

04:07:59 asciilifeform: of the hows and whys of public executions in europe from 800 or so ad to present

04:08:05 asciilifeform: !s zoolag

04:08:06 assbot: 10 results for 'zoolag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zoolag

04:08:07 mircea_popescu: torture people behind the glass, force highschoolers to visit yearly.

04:08:28 asciilifeform: yeah this was described

04:08:32 asciilifeform: beautiful idea.

04:08:47 decimation: I would prefer 'torture' to be 'hard labor, gulag style'

04:09:02 decimation: but that's difficult to capture through a window

04:09:17 ben_vulpes: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#L210 ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.7.2/src/rpcblockchain.cpp#L12

04:09:19 assbot: bitcoin/bitcoinrpc.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtdWf )

04:09:20 assbot: bitcoin/rpcblockchain.cpp at v0.7.2 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtdWm )

04:09:39 BingoBoingo: <decimation> I would prefer 'torture' to be 'hard labor, gulag style' << Quality punitive torture can leave souveniers

04:10:04 decimation: for thieves, embezzlers, etc it gives a good yardstick

04:10:15 decimation: 'pay back yer debt in coal'

04:10:17 mircea_popescu: sure. dig a yard of trench per dollar embezzled.

04:10:46 mircea_popescu: it's healthy, too. most usians could immensely benefit from more exercise, especially if nude under the nude sky.

04:10:56 ben_vulpes: wai wut? i thought bezzling was a good thing.

04:11:04 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so is digging.

04:11:08 decimation: heh. only if you are in on it

04:11:10 ben_vulpes: end of times and all that fun stuff.

04:12:40 punkman: I was making a case for "sentence all members of parliament to 30 years hard labor" yesterday at dinner, "but what of the innocent ones"

04:13:20 TheNewDeal: 20?

04:15:20 ben_vulpes: ABSOLUTELY UNRELATED

04:15:20 ben_vulpes: https://scroguard.com/

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04:16:21 cazalla: mircea_popescu: yes, but you can't just throw some yogurt into your cunt. <<< but you can throw some yogurt out of it! http://www.inquisitr.com/1839518/phd-student-creates-yoghurt-using-her-vagina/

04:16:22 assbot: PhD Student Creates Yogurt Using Her Vagina ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtEjv )

04:16:34 punkman: ben_vulpes: I don't get it

04:16:36 asciilifeform: !s menstrual cookies

04:16:37 assbot: 0 results for 'menstrual cookies' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=menstrual+cookies

04:17:10 asciilifeform: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7633136.html?sid=1e44c177a5b76671206084811186d30e << on earlier thread

04:17:12 assbot: Gentoo Forums :: View topic - The state of Ada on Gentoo ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtGIb )

04:18:04 decimation: the 'forced exercise' idea reminds me of a passage in the 'rise and fall of the third reich': "The young in the Third Reich were growing up to have strong and healthy bodies, faith in the future of their country and in themselves and a sense of fellowship and camaraderie that shattered all class and economic and social barriers. I thought of that later, in the May days of 1940, when along the road between Aachen and Brussels one saw

04:18:05 decimation: the contrast between the German soldiers, bronzed and clean-cut from a youth spent in the sunshine on an adequate diet, and the first British war prisoners, with their hollow chests, round shoulders, pasty complexions and bad teeth – tragic examples of the youth that England had neglected so irresponsibly in the years between the wars."

04:29:07 BingoBoingo: !up julmac

04:33:39 mircea_popescu: cazalla eww

04:34:06 mircea_popescu: punkman lol the innocent ones. splendid.

04:35:18 mircea_popescu: in other news : http://40.media.tumblr.com/a19733372c89135be1c4ce0aad534e2d/tumblr_n8w6mezL3y1tx1yzzo1_500.png

04:35:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhuUDg )

04:42:28 ben_vulpes: punkman: me neither.

04:45:42 BingoBoingo: The original gmail http://web.archive.org/web/20001017105222/http://gmail.garfield.com/

04:45:43 assbot: Set Your E-mail Free ... ( http://bit.ly/1AtnPp5 )

04:47:05 mircea_popescu: dude where the fuck do anglos pull their data from. 0.4% BAC = LD50 ?!

04:47:14 asciilifeform: wai wat ?!

04:47:17 mircea_popescu: in the Romania i grew up, being drunk BEGAN at .3

04:47:28 mircea_popescu: you need like... i dunno, 5% or so to fucking die of it.

04:47:36 asciilifeform: is that value for man even

04:47:42 asciilifeform: or field mouse

04:47:49 mircea_popescu: i tyhink it may be for feminist.

04:48:28 mircea_popescu: for the sake of argument, 0.4% means 32 ml of alcohol in the 8 liters of blood ? srsly ?

04:49:09 mircea_popescu: so when i drink a liter of 52% moonshine over a night my liver takes out 50ml/hour while carefully keeping total blood alcohol under 30 least i die ?

04:49:20 BingoBoingo: Not even breakfast

04:50:08 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/02/just_how_many_drinks_a_day_is.html << reference.

04:50:09 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Just How Many Drinks A Day Is Bad? ... ( http://bit.ly/1AtouGU )

04:50:27 mircea_popescu: But legal driving limit is usually .08%. And 50% of the time, .4% is death, so there's that.

04:50:47 mircea_popescu: i wish to know these 100 people out of whom 50 died of .4% bac.

04:51:17 TheNewDeal: offhand, does anyone remember the name of usagi's gold company?

04:51:43 danielpbarron: heh i was just reading about that; it's at the start of the public logs

04:51:43 asciilifeform: considering -who- typically dies of EtOH overdose, consider comorbidities.

04:52:01 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal sadly, no. lessee

04:52:16 danielpbarron: and it was silver, not gold; unless he had another thing i'm not aware of

04:52:24 decimation: asciilifeform: the 'RTEMS' os https://devel.rtems.org/wiki/TBR/UserManual/RTEMSAda < supports ada, is open source, but is written in C

04:52:32 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal he did silver. tu.silver

04:52:38 decimation: it's based on some ancient usg code

04:52:47 TheNewDeal: ahhh

04:53:01 asciilifeform: decimation: written in c, isn't a unix - hence uninteresting

04:53:10 TheNewDeal: there's a company in the us called "amagi metals" and for some reason I thought that rang a bell

04:53:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a point

04:53:10 asciilifeform: to me.

04:53:38 decimation: apparently there are varying levels of posix support in actual flight systems

04:53:43 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal they have been trying to trade for bitcoin with moderate success.

04:54:33 TheNewDeal: you're aware of amagi?

04:54:37 mircea_popescu: yes.

04:56:18 decimation: asciilifeform: I suppose that if one really wants an os written in ada that 'fits in head' - one should write it himself

04:56:41 decimation: after all, a program that manages to boot the target and run an infinite loop is a basic os

04:57:09 asciilifeform: decimation: not even asking for an os

04:57:25 decimation: yeah I know you weren't, but I thought it was an interesting question

04:57:30 asciilifeform: decimation: just for gnat to build, from source, on my particular, unremarkable gentoo box

04:57:41 asciilifeform: the way printed on the box

04:59:26 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/970b9af35bd767902b45116e3b5ab04a/tumblr_n7k8g6t70m1rl2fgko1_500.gif a metaphor for education.

04:59:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AtqbUH )

04:59:36 mircea_popescu: "a pleasurable activity which needs outside incentives"

05:20:11 cazalla: gee someone mentions alcohol and now im salivating

05:27:30 thestringpuller: http://www.mtv.com/news/2069307/old-man-bald-haircut-bad-kids-children/ << i don't know why I think this is so funny.

05:27:49 thestringpuller: dat face

05:28:46 cazalla: thestringpuller, lol

05:32:25 TheNewDeal: ;;bids 216.9

05:32:25 gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 3005.8877 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 671376.912891 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.1582 seconds

05:32:44 TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal

05:38:20 asciilifeform: https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2012-03/msg01073.html

05:38:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYjfwS )

05:38:24 asciilifeform: ^ we found the shitgnome.

05:38:59 asciilifeform: it was drepper.

05:44:10 asciilifeform: and yes, it perma-breaks the gcc 4.1 that is built as part of the gnat bootstrap.

05:45:44 ben_vulpes: is drepper the shitgnome or did drepper find the thing?

05:45:52 asciilifeform: shitgnome

05:46:01 ben_vulpes: disregard i eat cocks

05:46:24 ben_vulpes: who is drepper anyways?

05:46:30 asciilifeform: glibc

05:47:09 asciilifeform: (and yes, as far as i can tell, the recent glibc pant-shitting was -also- drepper)

05:48:58 mircea_popescu: hm... it occurs to me... wouldn't it be a good idea if all progressives were required to register themselves with the state ?

05:49:00 ben_vulpes: stake?

05:49:03 asciilifeform: stake.

05:49:15 mircea_popescu: so, for instance, they are not allowed to take up residence in single occupant dwellings / family houses etc ?

05:49:15 asciilifeform: the wide kind.

05:49:22 mircea_popescu: but only dormrooms with shared bathrooms etc ?

05:49:30 mircea_popescu: also, kept away from children and so on.

05:49:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we mostly have this already

05:49:42 mircea_popescu: ah, good then.

05:49:50 asciilifeform: the present-day crop of college kidz will never live in anything other than a kommunalka

05:49:53 mircea_popescu: it's called social studies graduate programs, isn't it ?

05:49:55 asciilifeform: can't afford children, etc

05:51:19 mircea_popescu: Ladies and gentlemen, seldom can it have been a greater pleasure and privilege than it is for me now to announce that the next observation gave me the great pleasure and privilege of observing that it is my great pleasure and privilege to live in the best possible world of all the worlds that are possible already.

05:51:34 *: asciilifeform falls down, stack overflowing

05:51:38 mircea_popescu: definitely.

05:53:55 asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/VkgE27Pd << undoes the shitgnomism, but wtf should i have to rebuild glibc and -everything- to use a perfectly ordinary proggy ?

05:53:56 assbot: siginfo_t_fix.patch - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYkzzC )

05:54:27 mircea_popescu: shut up and rebuild.

05:54:49 asciilifeform: no telling, also, what -else- will die

05:55:41 *: ben_vulpes goes to bed, asciilifeform goes to rebuild the universe.

05:55:44 ben_vulpes: what a time to be alive.

05:56:45 asciilifeform: ain't happening. 'make world' on this box would take longer than the hardware's mtbf.

05:57:03 mircea_popescu: lol in unrelated news, somebody just cussed me the fuck out because i am a wetback piece of shit left leaning commie.

05:57:10 asciilifeform: l0l!

05:57:14 mod6: haha wat

05:57:24 mircea_popescu: this entirely predicated on the very simple 'lives in argentina -> was born there -> planet of hats'

05:57:59 asciilifeform: i thought it was more ordinarily 'lives in argentina -> heil hitler' ?

05:58:14 mircea_popescu: so did i. but hey, at least i'm not a gypsy nigger.

05:58:55 asciilifeform: srsly, until very recently the common derp's sole item of 'knowledge' re: ar was that the fuhrer lives (yes) there

05:59:05 mircea_popescu: i would also guess this person owns more weapons than remaining fingers (firecracker accidents), and they have more telescopes than barrel notches.

06:00:27 asciilifeform: lol wut

06:00:42 mircea_popescu: be specific!

06:02:00 *: asciilifeform mindfucked, is searching for error msg, and #b-a log is #4 hit

06:02:55 asciilifeform: log of me crapping it in here

06:02:58 asciilifeform: a few hrs ago.

06:03:04 punkman: might be personalization

06:03:27 asciilifeform: punkman: does not appear to be...

06:03:37 punkman: let me try

06:04:11 asciilifeform: punkman: 'gnat "error: field 'info' has incomplete type" '

06:04:57 punkman: well google loves the log apparently

06:05:09 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> a few hrs ago. << yes. we dominate google mostly because we say interesting things.

06:05:13 mircea_popescu: the machine can tell by now.

06:05:22 punkman: I've been seeing it more often for various search strings, but I assumed it was personalization

06:05:26 *: asciilifeform already learned the cause of the error, but is looking to see who else was affected

06:05:39 asciilifeform: the shitgnome destroyed the ability to use an entire language

06:05:45 mircea_popescu: to a large degree it's the silent progress that has been happening in thefield of machine processing of human text for the past... 20 years ?

06:06:00 mircea_popescu: google is a major contributor. you can do wonderful things by sorting, word densities, etc etc.

06:06:42 asciilifeform: google has extremely questionable motives and - at this point - competence

06:06:46 mircea_popescu: you know all those "how to spam google ? ORIGINAL CONTENT!!1" advicey bits ? they're actually quite on point.

06:07:01 mircea_popescu: original of course doesn't mean what the marginal retard "trying to make it online" imagines.

06:07:03 asciilifeform: for all we know, they favour #b-a log on account of the sheer frequency with which sp4mz0rz and sc4mz0rz are mentioned here.

06:07:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all motives are questionable. that's kinda what a motive is : "he's not doing it for me, he's doing it for himself"

06:08:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, in one sentence it'd be "for the sheer frequency with which rare associations that match types they only see in quality text are seen here"

06:08:26 mircea_popescu: believe it or not, google can actually recognise useful new papers from shitty new papers better than "peer review" committees can.

06:09:22 punkman: https://majestic.com/reports/site-explorer?q=log.bitcoin-assets.com&oq=log.bitcoin-assets.com&IndexDataSource=F

06:09:23 assbot: Site Explorer Results - Summary - Majestic ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYlPTp )

06:09:30 punkman: 65k links from external sources

06:10:41 asciilifeform: punkman: betcha that's a random number

06:10:48 asciilifeform: the thing has a thoroughly spamatronic feel to it

06:10:50 punkman: no they crawl

06:11:00 mircea_popescu: they do crawl.

06:11:07 punkman: good addition for robots.txt block

06:11:18 mircea_popescu: i never bothered.

06:11:21 mircea_popescu: let them crawl lol.

06:13:48 mircea_popescu: ahrefs.com is a similar thing, also crawls.

06:14:38 punkman: there's at least a dozen of those mega-crawlers

06:15:01 mircea_popescu: yeah. big business, giving idiots in cubicals something to do with their time that looks more srs bzns than facebook

06:15:14 punkman: purpose being "find out where that other guy spams links, so you can do it too"

06:17:43 asciilifeform: so the 'google finds unique strings' thing, sure - can we conclude that i'm the only one alive trying to build 'gnat' on 'gentoo' ?

06:17:49 asciilifeform: this is sad.

06:18:09 asciilifeform: where did the others go? ate their nagants from frustration ?

06:18:16 joecool: google moved away from unique strings over the past few years... moved to signals, will match synonyms and areas to a query

06:19:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in a sane manner for sane reasons ? yes.

06:19:29 mircea_popescu: others : http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/

06:19:29 assbot: The perfect pitch pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ad2RHA )

06:19:33 asciilifeform: where are the fossilized traces of folks doing it in insane matter, for lunatic reasons?

06:19:33 mircea_popescu: the fly eyes on the meat aren't a joke.

06:19:39 asciilifeform: i'd care to read'em. but nowhere

06:19:48 mircea_popescu: ^

06:21:28 asciilifeform: just to underscore the sheer level of the braindamage i've uncovered - the thing won't build on any box with past 2+ yrs of glibc.

06:21:33 asciilifeform: 3+

06:21:56 asciilifeform: mean to tell me that i'm the only one to 1) notice 2) say something on the net

06:21:57 asciilifeform: ?

06:22:36 mircea_popescu: yes.

06:22:48 mircea_popescu: i don't think you actually understand how the world works.

06:22:56 asciilifeform: evidently not

06:23:44 mircea_popescu: ok. let's put it in perspective. at some point i ended up peripherally involved in the "Art" scene by virtue of fucking in it.

06:24:10 mircea_popescu: out of every 1k kids spending at least 1mn man-hours/year discussing a) creativity, generally and b) various projects

06:24:29 mircea_popescu: a total of less than 100 hours ever got put into any actually existent item that could be burned for instance.

06:25:16 asciilifeform: what happens to the rest of the time ?

06:25:26 mircea_popescu: just because it's easier (and cheaper) to type into box than throw paint at canvas does not mean more anything ever gets made.

06:25:43 asciilifeform: at some point you end up wondering what they're doing instead

06:25:45 mircea_popescu: happens ?

06:25:58 mircea_popescu: what is the pentium 1 doing "instead" ?

06:26:04 asciilifeform: heating the room.

06:26:10 mircea_popescu: instead of what lol. that's the clock rate.

06:26:34 asciilifeform: i mean, it is approximately correct to say that it is discharging heat in the time between ticks

06:26:44 asciilifeform: as the necessary 'instead'

06:26:56 mircea_popescu: well im sure they all maintained metabolic balance throughout.

06:27:30 mircea_popescu: one particular schmuck formulated plans for at least 24 months, at the rate of one a week, to TALK TO this particular whore.

06:27:52 mircea_popescu: he failed, at the end of the reporting period, to have met the bare minimum level of achievement of finding out that the girl was actually working.

06:28:19 asciilifeform: what would have been the purpose of such an exercise ?

06:28:59 mircea_popescu: dude i dunno, if i spend my time planning how to murder obama and fail to find out he died three years prior as a side product

06:29:02 mircea_popescu: i'd be fucking worried.

06:30:00 asciilifeform: http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii18/drmabuse06/TimeTravelHitler.jpg

06:30:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYnDvT )

06:30:03 asciilifeform: ^ obligatory

06:30:03 mircea_popescu: imagine you were going to war in afghanistan and discovered the centcom thought afghanistan is actually in zanzibar ?

06:30:56 mircea_popescu: if that happens im fucking defecting, because srsly. finding just one cockroach in the kitchen is one thing, but here we have found a cockroach inside the cockroach and no sign of any kitchens.

06:33:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00041847 = 10.3781 BTC [-]

06:34:39 asciilifeform: why would someone sit and formulate a 'plan' to talk to a whore ?

06:34:44 asciilifeform: that was the question

06:34:52 mircea_popescu: he DID NOT KNOW THIS

06:34:56 asciilifeform: aha

06:35:04 mircea_popescu: and he failed to find out.

06:35:28 *: asciilifeform suddenly grasps what the story was probably about

06:35:28 mircea_popescu: which should be informative. i've never spent two years planning on how to fix a window without discovering it really is a door, at some point during all that.

06:35:32 mircea_popescu: aha.

06:36:25 mircea_popescu: the process is wholly self-referential. it is in no sense different from the goings on in any insane asylum. you are essentially asking "ok, the sanitariums of the world hold a supply of at least 5000 napoleons. why is there no glorious history being produced ?"

06:36:27 mircea_popescu: i dunno. guess ?

06:36:56 asciilifeform: 'insufficient number and quality of bicorns issued to the napoleons'

06:37:00 asciilifeform: moar phunding needed.

06:37:01 mircea_popescu: clearly.

06:38:30 mircea_popescu: and in fact more funding is issued by the long suffering parents, either directly (as is the case in romania) or through collective buying (the state ->taxes->etc in the us).

06:38:44 mircea_popescu: but this can not result in any substantial change, because more effort applied to faulty premise.

06:41:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.09331825 = 3.1728 BTC [-] {3}

06:41:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18128 @ 0.00041437 = 7.5117 BTC [-]

06:41:38 mircea_popescu: consider the ever popular https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f06QZCVUHg

06:41:40 assbot: Bryan Adams - Summer of 69 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ad4HIB )

06:42:24 mircea_popescu: now imagine that, through technological advance, there is actually no real job for any of the kids to do. so jimmy does not quit. and consequently jodi has nobody to marry. so she does not. so twenty years later, they are still in that garage, still with that guitar.

06:42:27 mircea_popescu: fingers still bleed.

06:42:30 mircea_popescu: has more music been produced ?

06:43:36 mircea_popescu: a lot of neuropathy to "explain" and justify it all, sure. but google can sort through all that pretty fast, especially because it being psychogenic rather than rational it is dreadfully boring and entirely predictable.

06:45:00 mircea_popescu: read one police report of crime x, you've read half of them. read ten, you've (practically) read them all. clinical psychology is only interesting to the patently insane, as a practice. otherwise all the notes say endlessly the same five or six things. there just aren't that many things to say.

06:45:07 mircea_popescu: "and then the engine blew a cylinder". gee.

06:47:00 mircea_popescu: and i'm putting this on my blog.

06:56:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00040743 = 8.5968 BTC [-]

07:02:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13471 @ 0.00040058 = 5.3962 BTC [-] {2}

07:03:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81179 @ 0.00038973 = 31.6379 BTC [-] {2}

07:08:15 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell joecool http://fraudsters.com/2015/youve-made-the-bed-enjoy-dying-in-it/ << you've made fraudsters!

07:08:16 assbot: You've made the bed. Enjoy dying in it. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19mO58w )

07:08:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:29:36 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/03/a_primer_on_pedophilia.html << for the reason, the guy has omfg no idea what he's talking about.

07:29:38 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: A Primer on Pedophilia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ad8FB3 )

07:29:45 mircea_popescu: this is the most moldbug-like tlp article so far.

07:34:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00041131 = 13.1414 BTC [+]

08:15:02 BingoBoingo: http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/child-walk.jpg

08:15:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXromT )

08:19:05 fluffypony: http://phys.org/news/2015-02-hackers-billion-banks.html

08:19:06 assbot: Hackers steal up to $1 billion from banks, security co. says (Update) ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXrOK7 )

08:48:02 mircea_popescu: qntra pls!

09:14:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.00039547 = 20.1492 BTC [-]

09:22:42 []bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before April 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1119/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.3001 BTC. Current weight: 97,928.

09:58:48 cazalla: mircea_popescu: But legal driving limit is usually .08% <<< here, 0.05, learner or provisional driver? 0! bad luck if your medication put you over the limit!

09:59:21 cazalla: personally, i am capable of driving at any limit although police did not believe such a story

10:00:23 cazalla: typical australian drunk driver http://youtu.be/8-0Ds05UnrA?t=32s

10:00:25 assbot: Just waiting for a mate - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/17asvTe )

11:10:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172900 @ 0.00039229 = 67.8269 BTC [-] {3}

11:34:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00040406 = 21.6576 BTC [+]

11:42:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21380 @ 0.00040406 = 8.6388 BTC [+]

11:49:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00039714 = 2.8991 BTC [-]

11:56:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29664 @ 0.00039572 = 11.7386 BTC [-] {2}

12:51:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15473 @ 0.00039113 = 6.052 BTC [-]

13:13:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.00040171 = 17.1731 BTC [+]

13:21:52 BingoBoingo: !up Codmadnesspro

13:22:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74400 @ 0.00039328 = 29.26 BTC [-] {3}

13:53:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00040406 = 20.1626 BTC [+]

13:55:38 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/up-to-one-billion-in-fiat-value-stolen-from-banks/

13:55:38 assbot: Up To One Billion in Fiat Value Stolen From Banks | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zHrAAc )

14:03:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47597 @ 0.00040406 = 19.232 BTC [+]

14:08:20 BingoBoingo: https://hashtalk.org/topic/26497/the-guys-at-qntra-net-really-dislike-gaw-hey-wow/13

14:08:20 assbot: Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/1zHtdxF )

14:15:40 Adlai: tl;dr url is sufficient

14:15:59 Adlai: tbh for both of the last links

14:16:18 *: Adlai → emax

14:17:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70350 @ 0.00040854 = 28.7408 BTC [+]

14:18:10 BingoBoingo: Fundnation just dropped 0.10 https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2w224h/bitcoin_core_0100_released/ "Headers First"

14:18:13 assbot: Bitcoin Core 0.10.0 Released : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zHuKUH )

14:22:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42294 @ 0.00041636 = 17.6095 BTC [+] {2}

14:26:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158450 @ 0.00041819 = 66.2622 BTC [+]

14:35:34 danielpbarron: !up hdbuck

14:35:41 danielpbarron: welcome to the real world!

14:35:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72650 @ 0.00040452 = 29.3884 BTC [-] {3}

14:40:10 danielpbarron: height=189051 vs height=182929 (solid state pogo vs 5400 rpm)

14:40:55 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2015#1019600

14:40:55 assbot: Logged on 15-02-2015 15:26:42; danielpbarron: height=183012 vs height=181378 currently

14:42:28 Adlai: go pogo go

14:42:52 Adlai: although i guess the correct plugal would be pogī

14:43:09 hdbuck: danielpbarron ahah sure, not that i have much to say anyway. just lurking

14:43:22 BingoBoingo: OpenBSD 0.7.2 sync 2 now on April 15th, 2013

14:43:31 Adlai: hdbuck: just don't pledge allegiance to "usg and FIAT" and you'll be fine

14:44:20 danielpbarron: lol cazalla re: the video you posted "can you define definitive?"

14:44:32 danielpbarron: this guy could run for president

14:44:43 hdbuck: adlai never :)

14:44:56 *: Adlai prefers subaru, much better store of value

14:47:57 danielpbarron: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10479169#msg10479169 "Again you had me at Hitler's knob. Besides, I have a FICO score that gives me all the credit I need." << my brain is going to catch on fire..

14:47:58 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/17hdZc0 )

14:49:45 danielpbarron: this is from a "donator." doesn't that mean he gave thermos 50 bitcoin or something?

14:50:24 hdbuck: so whatcha gonna do when coinbase/TBF/bitpay/bitfury/KNC/ and all the usg rapist unite to promote the fork?

14:50:53 danielpbarron: same thing I do every day: read the logs

14:51:19 danielpbarron: seriously, do you think any of those groups have any effect on bitcoin?

14:51:38 danielpbarron: (i assume by TBF you don't mean the real one -> http://thebitcoin.foundation/ )

14:51:39 assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/17heCm3 )

14:53:10 hdbuck: i think so, yea. even Karpeles had an non negligible effect on bitcoin.

14:53:24 danielpbarron: so did pirateat40

14:54:01 hdbuck: right?

14:54:09 hdbuck: DPR too ^^

14:54:47 BingoBoingo: DPR, literally the guy who wasn't good enough to sling dope as a profession

14:55:24 danielpbarron: this was explained very well by the great MPOE-PR, or as we know her, hanbot

14:55:38 danielpbarron: i'm having trouble finding the article now, perhaps someone can help me

14:56:16 hdbuck: anyhow if that helps i’ll gladly plug back in my antminers to mine ‘mpcoins’ ^^

14:57:18 danielpbarron: found it: http://fraudsters.com/2012/fact-of-the-matter-is-the-infrastructure-was-not-ready/

14:57:19 assbot: Fact of the matter is, the infrastructure was not ready pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17hfEhY )

14:58:12 danielpbarron: "When a small majority* of participants behave irresponsibly however the net result is not just pain to their own fortunes, but pain spread across the board. All of a sudden you have to be very intelligent, and very experienced, and very well informed to manage to keep your money safe, and often enough even that's not going to suffice."

15:00:15 hdbuck: eh, thats just stating the obvious. not that anyone could do anything about it. cycle of life.

15:01:02 danielpbarron: ok, then try this one, hdbuck : http://fraudsters.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/

15:01:02 assbot: Things that matter these days ; things that don't matter these days. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmlxw7 )

15:01:25 danielpbarron: "I remember a time when those barely visible bumps around August 2012 and February 2013 filled the whole screen with their rollercoaster-y appearance. I remember that time because I was there and saw it, but to anyone looking today they don't matter and could as well have never existed. This will happen again, in the future."

15:07:23 danielpbarron: !up hdbuck

15:09:36 hdbuck: danielpbarron yea i like that article, read it already when it came out, anway gotta go, thanks for the heads up. ++

15:31:10 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/I60yGYs.gif

15:31:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSOQ3K )

15:42:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158400 @ 0.00042048 = 66.604 BTC [+] {4}

15:46:46 mike_c: what is it holding?

15:47:33 mike_c: i want that to be cute but i can't tell if there's a death struggle going on.

15:50:48 BingoBoingo: I think it is pretending to be a boulder to get down a slope

15:51:18 BingoBoingo: I can't tell what if anything it is holding

16:06:43 asciilifeform: phoundation's 0.10 >> 'More script opcodes considered standard - more power for programmable money' << lol, hardphork?

16:07:36 asciilifeform: would someone care to explain why a previously-invalid opcode introduced by phoundation doesn't make a fork ?

16:11:24 BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski

16:12:55 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My naive understanding is that older client just see it as noise. Like the multisig stuff.

16:13:07 BingoBoingo: But this is a very naive understanding

16:16:38 nubbins`: *:asciilifeform wonders if he's the only fella here who has never rage-smashed a keyboard, pNohe, pNablet, ..., etc <<< i rage-smashed a set of folding binoculars at around age 8, broke the little compass on top. wept bitterly at the loss, resolved to only smash things i didn't value from then on

16:19:14 nubbins`: BingoBoingo:DPR, literally the guy who wasn't good enough to sling dope as a profession <<< if he'd stuck to website admin, his actual job, he'd prolly still be out there

16:19:51 nubbins`: also FWIW i think mp et al precisely misunderstood the function of silk road

16:19:51 nubbins`: (but so did dpr, in the end)

16:20:27 nubbins`: its purpose was never, ever to do something as ludicrous as move a kilo of cocaine

16:20:35 nubbins`: that this sort of thing directly led to its demise is no coincidence

16:21:48 nubbins`: consider: what is every dark market currently selling as their #1 product?

16:21:55 nubbins`: personal amounts of recreational drugs.

16:22:16 nubbins`: not kilos of coke, not guns, porn, assassinations, etc

16:22:31 nubbins`: padded envelopes filled with party.

16:23:11 nubbins`: it's just as moronic for someone to move a kilo of cocaine on a dark market as it is for someone to buy a personal amount of pot from a stranger, in person.

16:23:48 nubbins`: that the two activities carry significantly differing levels of risk is worth noting, but this point aside, they're equally nonsensical.

16:26:06 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well the risk for the in person personal weed deal is functional. It keeps everyone honest.

16:26:29 nubbins`: generally the purchaser in a face-to-face transaction is at a distinct disadvantage.

16:26:51 nubbins`: guy shortchanges you by half and grins at you while he's doing it. whatcha gonna do?

16:27:08 nubbins`: leave him a rating?

16:28:01 BingoBoingo: Why not?

16:28:33 nubbins`: because there's nowhere i can "leave a rating" in meatspacethat will follow him around?

16:28:47 nubbins`: what am i gonna do, put a warning post on craigslist?

16:28:55 BingoBoingo: Or Yelp

16:29:04 nubbins`: o.O

16:29:24 danielpbarron: it's not so risky asking a stranger for pot where I live; recreational amount is just a ticketable offense these days

16:29:50 nubbins`: danielpbarron sure. and with smaller markets comes less risk, as reputation becomes more important.

16:29:54 BingoBoingo: Or you tattoo he shortchanges onto his forehead in the back of a van.

16:29:55 nubbins`: but let's rewind a bit...

16:30:06 danielpbarron: also, i used to bite my super nintendo controlers

16:30:12 nubbins`: <+nubbins`> it's just as moronic for someone to move a kilo of cocaine on a dark market as it is for someone to buy a personal amount of pot from a stranger, in person.

16:30:19 nubbins`: ^ from a stranger

16:30:30 nubbins`: suppose you moved to a new city and you wanna get lifted

16:30:30 BingoBoingo: Ah

16:30:49 Adlai: ideally the promise of repeat business would keep them honest

16:31:08 nubbins`: 1) hit up the park and ask the hippies 2) hit up the alley and ask the sketchbag 3) pop on SR and purchase from a trusted vendor with a list of ratings

16:31:14 Adlai: get cheated, find a new stranger. but this is far from perfect

16:31:32 nubbins`: Adlai "ideally" the first time someone buys weed from you, they're not a repeat customer

16:31:34 danielpbarron: hey i totally agree; silkroad was perfect for the petty stuff

16:31:44 nubbins`: it was DESIGNED for the petty stuff.

16:31:54 nubbins`: kept young white kids outta the hard parts of town

16:32:18 danielpbarron: when i found out the kids were buying bulk research chems, that was too much for me

16:32:38 nubbins`: nevermind that most of those were undoubtably fake.

16:32:42 Adlai: bulk research chems were sold on the open internet long before sr existed

16:32:45 danielpbarron: they were intentionally fake

16:32:47 Adlai: they're not fake, you can buy them straight from the lab

16:32:48 nubbins`: review left on 5-MeO-DMT: "nice effect"

16:33:01 nubbins`: "i think i can feel it coming on"

16:33:03 danielpbarron: you get what you pay for

16:33:04 *: nubbins` shakes head

16:33:17 danielpbarron: real LSD costs money.

16:33:17 nubbins`: Adlai i mean the RCs on SR were mostly fake.

16:33:25 nubbins`: danielpbarron now here's an interesting thing.

16:33:43 nubbins`: in 2006, 2-5I-NBOmE or however the fuck it's spelled was created

16:33:54 *: Adlai facepalms on nubbins`'s behalf

16:34:21 nubbins`: active at very low doses -- enough to fit on blotter -- and similar enough to LSD that those who hadn't dosed before could mistake it for the real thing

16:34:38 nubbins`: for the better part of a decade, NBOMe was the ONLY "acid" you could get on the street.

16:34:56 nubbins`: always sold as LSD, because who the fuck wants to buy something called 2-5i-NBOMe?

16:34:59 danielpbarron: that is exactly how the scam works ^ : kids these days have no idea what LSD is supposed to be like

16:35:11 nubbins`: then SR comes around and there's a category for LSD and a category for NBOMe

16:35:19 nubbins`: and people stop misrepresenting what they're selling.

16:35:38 nubbins`: because it turns out people are perfectly willing to buy 2-5i-NBOMe.

16:35:42 Adlai: yknow, reagents existed even before the internet itself

16:35:57 nubbins`: Adlai you don't say?

16:36:57 nubbins`: anyway. silk road came along. it died, others followed.

16:37:08 nubbins`: now when you buy LSD from a guy off the street, it's actually LSD.

16:37:25 nubbins`: it's twice the cost of the late 90s/early 00s

16:37:31 nubbins`: but (a) inflation (b) who cares

16:37:38 nubbins`: (c) it was underpriced to begin with

16:39:53 Adlai: the price of lsd is an interesting topic, given that once you pass some rather priceless hurdles, the actual cost of producing a kilo of the stuff is epsilon

16:39:58 nubbins`: oh sure.

16:40:02 nubbins`: those missile silo guys

16:40:08 nubbins`: marginal cost was like $0.29 per hit?

16:40:16 Adlai: that sounds high.

16:40:27 nubbins`: actually maybe that was their wholesale rate

16:40:49 nubbins`: details are lost to memory

16:41:08 nubbins`: but yeah, straight up, the actual cheapest drug to produce once you're set up

16:41:26 danielpbarron: it's not unlike those "asic" chips where they would burn part of the board off to make the lower end version

16:41:50 nubbins`: well. "cheapest" is dimensionless

16:41:54 nubbins`: in this regard

16:41:56 Adlai: "Interestingly, the $10/100mcg price is approximately what the research chemical firm Sigma-Aldrich charges (Product Link). I'm guessing the main expense is regulatory compliance. $1 for the chemicals, $99 for filling out NIDA paperwork."

16:42:09 Adlai: product link = http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sigma/L7007?lang=en®ion=US

16:42:11 assbot: Lysergic acid diethylamide | Sigma-Aldrich ... ( http://bit.ly/1L3dhN4 )

16:42:33 nubbins`: not available in my region ;/

16:42:53 nubbins`: $15 a tab seems to be dark-market standard these days

16:43:06 nubbins`: ;;google $15 in 1999 dollars

16:43:08 gribble: 1999 - Calculate the value of $15 in 1999 - Inflation on 15 dollars ...: http://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?amount=15&year=1999; Inflation Calculator: Bureau of Labor Statistics: http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm; Canada Lunar Coin | eBay: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/canada-lunar-coin

16:43:15 PeterL: so I just applied for a job at a company, their hr is handled by SilkRoad.com , made me lol

16:43:24 nubbins`: ehh pretty close.

16:43:27 nubbins`: anyway.

16:43:34 nubbins`: $15 for 8 hours of fun

16:43:52 nubbins`: that'd buy you between one and three beers at a bar, depending on your tolerance for seediness

16:44:40 Adlai: or, to bastardize sam harris, 1000 years at the Mountain of Shame

16:44:52 Adlai: ( http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/drugs-and-the-meaning-of-life )

16:44:54 assbot: Drugs and the Meaning of Life : Sam Harris ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJm59D )

16:45:19 Adlai: "I ingested 400 micrograms of LSD. I was twenty years old and had taken the drug at least ten times previously. What could go wrong?" lol

16:45:33 nubbins`: heh.

16:45:39 *: nubbins` prepares to write a list

16:46:36 *: Adlai left out the part about sam doing this on a rowboat in a nepalese lake

16:48:00 nubbins`: "I can think of no right more fundamental than the right to peacefully steward the contents of one’s own consciousness."

16:48:33 jurov: -query thestringpuller

16:49:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36345 @ 0.00042179 = 15.33 BTC [+]

16:50:30 *: Adlai likes mckenna's "If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on."

16:51:06 mircea_popescu: Adlai http://fraudsters.com/2015/this-is-why-medicine-is-not-a-liberal-profession-but-a-servile-career/ << funnily related, fresh off the presses.

16:51:07 assbot: This is why medicine is not a liberal profession, but a servile career pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJnAVm )

16:52:05 Adlai: this footnote density is really outta hand

16:53:08 mircea_popescu: not even the worst offender, that one.

16:53:56 nubbins`: dat lack of credits

16:54:01 nubbins`: i'll read it next week 8)

16:54:19 mircea_popescu: lol send me a copper bitcent, i'llset you up

16:56:22 ben_vulpes: "Why, he will be castigated by the authority, cast out by the other doctors, and no longer be able to call himself a doctor." << rarely happens in the ussa, but this place is a hellhole.

16:57:26 nubbins`: "Have you ever traveled, beyond all mere metaphors, to the Mountain of Shame and stayed for a thousand years? I do not recommend it."

16:57:43 nubbins`: mp addy plox

16:57:45 jurov: almost all alternative cancer treatments i saw had some emdee face from the US attached

16:58:03 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes speaking of that : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/01/not_competent_to_make_medical.html#comment-26

16:58:04 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Not Competent To Make Medical Decisions? ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJpvcB )

16:58:08 nubbins`: actually i guess i can do this myself right on the page

16:58:12 mircea_popescu: exactly.

16:58:15 mircea_popescu: !up Codmadnesspro

16:58:20 nubbins`: BUT WHO WILL HOLD MY HAND

16:58:39 mircea_popescu: urc0k ?

16:58:56 Adlai: the cock wagging the hand?

16:59:00 mircea_popescu: why not!

16:59:57 nubbins`: why did this man feel that taking 400mcg of LSD, alone, in a rowboat, in the middle of a lake, in nepal, was a good idea?

17:00:00 nubbins`: ah, youth

17:00:03 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell imsaguy http://fraudsters.com/2011/fetele-bitcoin-ului-episodul-ii/ << hey remember 2011 ?! random commenter dug it up.

17:00:04 assbot: Fetele bitcoin-ului, episodul II pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJq0TV )

17:00:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:01:47 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but in any case, it probably happens even rarely-er to slavegirls.

17:02:23 nubbins`: hey, it ended with a quote from "the varieties of religious experience"

17:02:36 *: nubbins` highly recommends Sagan's "the varieties of scientific experience"

17:02:38 Adlai: and omitted james's favorite variety.

17:03:03 nubbins`: same lecture series, ~90 years later

17:03:09 Adlai: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/nitrous/nitrous_article1.shtml

17:03:10 assbot: Erowid Nitrous Vault : The Subjective Effects of Nitrous Oxide, by William James ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJqRnt )

17:03:37 nubbins`: Adlai i can recall trying to explain to someone what it's like being put to sleep by "gas" when in the hospital

17:03:50 nubbins`: after hemming and hawing for a bit, i said "it's like doing whippets until you pass out"

17:03:54 nubbins`: paused to think

17:04:00 Adlai: s/like //

17:04:01 nubbins`: "actually, take the word 'like' out of there"

17:04:06 Adlai: yeah :D

17:04:09 nubbins`: :D

17:05:10 mircea_popescu: i thought they use simple N2 in those cans, not NO

17:05:19 Adlai: N₂O

17:05:24 mircea_popescu: is it ? but why ?

17:05:28 mircea_popescu: n2 much cheaper, inert.

17:05:59 Adlai: it's kinda illogical for n2 to get you high

17:06:12 Adlai: or rather, the n2 high is the most common one, by faaaaar

17:06:19 Adlai: the default high, if you will.

17:06:21 mircea_popescu: it's kinda illogical to tell me you actually think billions of gallos of heavy duty intoxicant are being sold otc all over the world.

17:06:52 nubbins`: o.O

17:06:53 *: Adlai cited no numbers

17:06:54 nubbins`: ...they are.

17:07:05 Adlai: also nitrous isn't that cheap

17:07:11 nubbins`: like a buck a hit!

17:07:16 Adlai: if lsd fun is $2/hr, nitrous is more like $200

17:07:26 nubbins`: ^

17:07:31 mircea_popescu: so how much does a can of whipping cream cost ?

17:07:35 mircea_popescu: $79 + tax ?

17:07:38 nubbins`: couple bucks

17:07:45 mircea_popescu: buncha dopeheads.

17:07:48 nubbins`: skip the cream, buy the canisters.

17:07:55 Adlai: skip the cannisters, buy the tank

17:07:55 mircea_popescu: and you still think the can's pressurized with n2o ?

17:08:01 *: nubbins` facepalms

17:08:03 nubbins`: of course it is.

17:08:11 mircea_popescu: because just n2 not good enough ?

17:08:23 danielpbarron: there was a guy with a nitrous tank at porcfest with a group of zombies crowded around it

17:08:40 nubbins`: mircea_popescu it's precisely n2o.

17:08:43 nubbins`: https://www.google.ca/search?q=whipped+cream+canisters&tbm=isch

17:08:45 assbot: whipped cream canisters - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJsa5Z )

17:08:47 Adlai: how on earth (the planet with an atmosphere full of nitrogen) would nitrogen gas get you anything other than sober / oxygen deprived

17:08:47 davout: mircea_popescu: you get high from n2 starting at ~4 bar partial pressure iirc

17:08:51 mircea_popescu: so someone sells you $200 an hour stuff at coupla bux a can ?

17:09:09 danielpbarron: the trip lasts about a minute

17:09:11 nubbins`: ^

17:09:14 mircea_popescu: Adlai most dopeheads can't distinguish asphyxia from a high.

17:09:21 nubbins`: the trip lasts almost precisely as long as you can hold your breath.

17:09:25 mircea_popescu: ^

17:09:25 PeterL: Adlai: oxygen deprivation can feel like getting high?

17:09:40 nubbins`: mircea_popescu FWIW asphyxia is a completely different buzz.

17:10:01 nubbins`: also FWIW as long as your air has, what, 15-20% oxygen, you're fine

17:10:02 Adlai: i'm sorry, but if you can't distinguish o2 deprivation from n2o intoxication, then you've never intoxicated on n2o.

17:10:03 mircea_popescu: get a mass spectrometer, can at it, see if it's n2o or n2 or co2 (more commonly now)

17:10:11 Adlai: they are *different*

17:10:11 nubbins`: o.O

17:10:20 nubbins`: <--has been high on medical-grade n2o

17:10:25 nubbins`: <--has also tried whippets

17:10:33 danielpbarron: how is it surprising you can get high with whipped cream? you can also make your own ether fairly easily

17:10:35 nubbins`: <--has also held breath til unconsciousness (!)

17:10:47 Adlai: now THAT is impressive willpower

17:11:02 nubbins`: Adlai every day is a winding road

17:11:21 danielpbarron: as a teenager i impressed some friends with that little trick: buy some starter fluid, mix with water in garbage bag, wait for it to settle, drain out the impurities

17:11:26 nubbins`: mircea_popescu while co2 canisters are popular, they're a different size and generally used for paintball/bb guns

17:11:42 mircea_popescu: nubbins` im more talking the industrial side of things here.

17:11:47 mircea_popescu: suppose you have a canning operation.

17:11:55 nubbins`: ok, let's take Air Liquide for an example

17:11:57 nubbins`: ;;google air liquide

17:11:58 gribble: Home > American Air Liquide: http://www.us.airliquide.com/; Careers > American Air Liquide: http://www.us.airliquide.com/en/careers.html; Search Jobs and Apply > American Air Liquide: http://www.us.airliquide.com/en/careers/search-jobs-and-apply.html

17:12:01 mircea_popescu: do you buy the expensive and license-requiring n2o, or the cheap atmospheric gas ?

17:12:11 nubbins`: well, it depends. what do i want to use it for?

17:12:20 mircea_popescu: making two buck a can whipping cream

17:12:39 Adlai: fwiw, there's "automotive-grade" and "food-grade" nitrous. the latter is (supposedly) regulated to contain nitrous and not whatever else is cheaper.

17:12:54 mircea_popescu: right.

17:13:00 nubbins`: yeah, "NOS" is n2o.

17:13:26 Adlai: and yes, if you buy a tank of nitrous oxide, and you don't check what grade it is, you will get sulfur dioxide (or worse) impurities

17:13:27 mircea_popescu: is there also a medical anesthetic ?

17:13:39 mircea_popescu: also regulated, amoing other things, to not be dispensed otc / to unlicensed physicians ?

17:13:40 Adlai: +nubbins` | <--has been high on medical-grade n2o

17:13:54 nubbins`: most dentist's offices have n2o on tap.

17:14:00 nubbins`: every hospital does.

17:14:05 mircea_popescu: most household bathrooms however do not.

17:14:09 Adlai: ;;google cause i'm a dentist

17:14:10 gribble: Little Shop of Horrors I'm a Dentist - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHsDKqKE_kc; Little Shop of Horrors - Dentist Song - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOtMizMQ6oM; Little Shop Of Horrors - Dentist! Lyrics | MetroLyrics: http://www.metrolyrics.com/dentist-lyrics-little-shop-of-horrors.html

17:14:17 nubbins`: unless they buy n2o cartridges from the restaurant supply store.

17:14:21 mircea_popescu: for that matter, all hospitals also have morphine on tap.

17:14:31 Adlai: some even have desomorphine!

17:14:33 mircea_popescu: kinda why druggies try to steal from hospitals rather than police stations or courthouses.

17:14:36 Adlai: er, diamorphine

17:14:39 Adlai: i doubt any have deso :P

17:14:41 nubbins`: mircea_popescu plain n2 is probably not fat soluble.

17:14:44 nubbins`: (guessing)

17:14:49 Adlai: ... why not?

17:14:57 Adlai: plain n2 is probably anything-soluble

17:15:04 Adlai: (guessing)

17:15:08 mircea_popescu: to get a pressurized container you don't need fat solubility, nor is 2 buck a can whipping creram anything but styrofoam.

17:15:19 mircea_popescu: for that matter, co2 is not bread soluble either, works just fine to leaven bread.

17:15:21 nubbins`: well the fat solubility is what whips the cream.

17:15:26 mircea_popescu: you're nuts.

17:15:31 nubbins`: you're nuts.

17:15:33 nubbins`: add heavy cream to a canister.

17:15:36 nubbins`: add n2o.

17:15:42 mircea_popescu: and shake ?

17:15:45 nubbins`: no.

17:15:49 PeterL: it needs to be non-soluble to make the bubbles

17:15:57 nubbins`: if the container is pressurized, the n2o will dissolve into the cream.

17:16:00 mircea_popescu: sometimes i wish to visit the industrial plants artists would make to support their independent nation

17:16:04 nubbins`: now you have liquid cream filled with n2o.

17:16:15 nubbins`: when this is released into the atmosphere

17:16:16 mircea_popescu: PeterL shut up, he can distinguish highs and also has vision spectrometry built in.

17:16:24 nubbins`: the n2o releases itself from the cream

17:16:31 nubbins`: foaming ("whipping") it in the process

17:16:32 PeterL: I just don't understand how the world works?

17:16:35 nubbins`: srsly, howstuffworks.

17:16:38 mircea_popescu: well, not his.

17:16:48 mircea_popescu: nubbins` and this would not work the same with any other gas.

17:16:50 *: Adlai wonders whether anybody bothered to read william james's gassy babblings. tl;dr: "There are no differences but differences of degree between different degrees of difference and no difference."

17:17:05 nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'd imagine it would

17:17:20 mircea_popescu: so then who thefuck would use anything but either co2 or n2, ie, atmospheric gases.

17:17:37 nubbins`: "it produces whipped cream four times the volume of the liquid, whereas whipping air into cream only produces twice the volume. If air were used as a propellant, oxygen would accelerate rancidification of the butterfat; nitrous oxide inhibits such degradation. Carbon dioxide cannot be used for whipped cream because it is acidic in water, which would curdle the cream and give it a seltzer-like "sparkling" sensation."

17:17:56 mircea_popescu: notice 02 wasn't there. it's obvious why not : fucking expensive. because reactive.

17:18:08 Adlai: related: you want to sell roses in gas stations. q: why would you add a useless hole to your vase? a: because you don't actually want to sell roses, you're selling crack pipes.

17:18:12 nubbins`: of course o2 isn't there

17:18:25 mircea_popescu: right. and ok, co2 is acidic. that leaves n2.

17:18:44 Adlai: but n2 won't bring additional revenue from kiddies looking for kicks

17:18:44 nubbins`: i'm no chemist, but maybe if we asked someone qualified, they'd be able to give an actual answer

17:18:49 mircea_popescu: (kinda why co2 is used in "beverages" - acidity there's a plus)

17:18:57 mircea_popescu: nubbins` like who, PeterL ?

17:19:05 PeterL: I'm thinking about it

17:19:14 mircea_popescu: PeterL do you have a mass spectrometer anywhere ?

17:19:16 nubbins`: i'm not sure why you think there's an industry-wide conspiracy and that all whipped cream canisters are intentionally mislabelled?

17:19:21 nubbins`: that's retarded

17:19:27 PeterL: not since I got laid off a couple weeks ago

17:19:28 nubbins`: like, actually.

17:19:32 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it gets you to buy it, dunnit ?

17:19:36 Adlai: we could also ask google: http://www.justsayn2o.com/nitrous.dairy.html

17:19:37 assbot: Why Is Nitrous Oxide Used In Whipped Cream ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJuRo2 )

17:19:44 PeterL: and I think gas chromatogram is what you are looking for?

17:19:47 mircea_popescu: not a single fmcg item is properly labeled if the dispute is "get nubsy to think it's better than it is"

17:20:08 *: nubbins` sighs

17:20:12 mircea_popescu: PeterL yeah. i r physicist not chemist. and a theoretical one at that >D

17:20:19 nubbins`: so the premium fuel i'm putting into my car is actually regular grade?

17:20:26 mircea_popescu: nubbins` can we now move on to the wrestling dispute ?

17:20:31 nubbins`: sounds like you've got this conspiracy cracked wide open

17:20:31 Adlai: it's actually just nitrogen

17:20:34 Adlai: your car moves by magic

17:20:36 mircea_popescu: no, but it doesn;'t "protect the engine"

17:20:50 nubbins`: right.

17:20:56 mircea_popescu: tho they claim it.

17:21:04 mircea_popescu: and have, for > 50 years.

17:21:11 mircea_popescu: 'new formulation, protects the engine!11"

17:21:27 nubbins`: so our options are: (1) n2o is actually n2o and there's a reason why n2 won't cut it. or (2) all n2o is n2, without exception, and every single person who knows this secret isn't telling.

17:21:29 *: nubbins` nods slowly

17:21:32 Adlai: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free.png

17:21:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJvgqt )

17:22:20 nubbins`: (2) does sound like the more reasonable one

17:22:25 nubbins`: (1) is suspicious

17:22:29 mircea_popescu: nubbins` our options are, 1) two buck a can items are made with the cheapest possible thing and 2) two buck a can items are made with expensive medicine, because there's a conspiracy to keep kids entertained while they can't legally as much as buy a drink.

17:22:45 Adlai: 3) mircea_popescu is trolling nubbins`

17:22:50 nubbins`: no kidding

17:22:54 mircea_popescu: that goes without saying bitch! :D

17:23:03 nubbins`: anyway

17:23:07 Adlai: yeah but nubbins` seems set on convincing you, rather than trolling along...

17:23:13 mircea_popescu: he's half and half.

17:23:14 nubbins`: Adlai it's one of my failings

17:23:29 mircea_popescu: he was more like 80/20 when he was younger, but he learns.

17:25:40 PeterL: my guess is that N2o is used because, like propane, it becomes liquid at reasonable pressures

17:25:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4755 @ 0.00041067 = 1.9527 BTC [-]

17:25:54 Adlai: now let's talk about how danielpbarron passed off diethyl ether as moonshine

17:26:08 nubbins`: fun fact, cooking sprays generally use propane/butane

17:26:31 nubbins`: if you're quick, you can spray some into your mouth and breathe fire

17:26:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53645 @ 0.00042221 = 22.6495 BTC [+]

17:26:50 nubbins`: if you're slow, you get a terrible, terrible taste in your mouth without any neat flames

17:27:02 nubbins`: and cooking spray spit all over your house.

17:27:13 nubbins`: at least, that's what i hear.

17:27:23 mircea_popescu: PeterL what's n2 ?

17:27:39 PeterL: n2? nitrogen?

17:28:00 PeterL: it's a gas

17:28:01 danielpbarron: Adlai, wah? no i didn't

17:28:18 Adlai: :P

17:28:23 danielpbarron: we didn't drink the stuff; we huffed it through a rag

17:28:59 Adlai: did it make you helpless and depraved?

17:29:10 danielpbarron: NO! totally overrated!

17:29:12 mircea_popescu: yes nitrogen. what temp i mean

17:29:15 mircea_popescu: to have a comparison

17:29:28 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, Adlai: in fact, you need 2x the amount of pressure to keep n2 liquid.

17:29:32 nubbins`: so... suck it. ;/

17:29:48 mircea_popescu: yeah, because totally, pressure is unavailable industrially. nobody ever used 2x the pressure to save on 90% the c ost.

17:29:49 *: Adlai sucks in n2, and lets it out

17:29:51 PeterL: not temp, pressure is what is important here, I am looking it up, just give me a sec...

17:29:53 mircea_popescu: at least not prior to 1720

17:30:03 Adlai: danielpbarron: i guess it's lost popularity for good reason

17:30:27 nubbins`: totally, it's the same cost to make a vessel resistant to twice the pressure. 8)

17:30:33 nubbins`: those fools!

17:30:58 nubbins`: nevermind that you're literally rupturing the canisters with a fuckin spike

17:31:22 mircea_popescu: shut up and let the chemist investigate

17:31:28 mircea_popescu: fucking lobbist!!11 THIS IS SCIENCE

17:31:47 PeterL: critical point for nitrogen is only 125 K, critical point for n2o is about 35 K

17:31:49 nubbins`: oh hi, the rest of freenode

17:32:10 mircea_popescu: PeterL that does anything you figure ?

17:32:14 Adlai: trivia: n2o and n2 were both isolated in the same year, by different chemists. i hope they had a shitfest over who had really isolated nitrogen before realizing they were distinct compounds :D

17:32:15 ben_vulpes: welcome back nubbins`

17:32:18 ben_vulpes: i missed ya

17:32:23 nubbins`: i think this is the second time mp tried to tell me my subective experience was incorrect

17:32:31 mircea_popescu: Adlai they totally did actually, if i recall my biographies correctly.

17:32:32 nubbins`: also the second time i took the bait ;(

17:32:35 nubbins`: feelsbad.png

17:32:41 PeterL: yeah, that means at room temperature you can have liquid n2o, but not liquid n2

17:32:44 mircea_popescu: nubbins` clearly this would be because... your subjective experience... is ...

17:32:53 nubbins`: an affront to your ego

17:32:57 nubbins`: XD

17:32:59 mircea_popescu: PeterL 125 is not quite room temp. more like 273.15

17:33:20 PeterL: right

17:33:42 mircea_popescu: you can have solid fucking hydrogen at room temp if you push it hard enough

17:33:46 PeterL: room temperature is much higher than n2's critical point, but below the critical point of n2o

17:34:03 mircea_popescu: 125 and 35 K are both under 0 C ?

17:34:16 PeterL: oops, I meant 35 C for n2o

17:34:16 nubbins`: hm

17:34:28 nubbins`: all the whipped cream is probably using elemental hydrogen as a propellant, then.

17:34:32 nubbins`: it's cheaper, obvs

17:34:34 mircea_popescu: yeah, good idea, mix K and C that'll result in clarity :D

17:34:48 mircea_popescu: nubbins` nah it'll hydrolize teh vegetal fats

17:34:53 nubbins`: who cares?

17:34:54 Adlai: no, it'll result in a bunch of wildly angry cokeheads

17:34:55 nubbins`: it's just kids

17:35:16 PeterL: h2 would probly need a catalyst to do anything to your fat

17:35:31 danielpbarron: maybe there's something to what MP is saying; I can get pretty high from holding my breath while standing up suddenly

17:35:33 mircea_popescu: who ythe fuck knows what's in there tho

17:35:36 nubbins`: i know N2H used to be common for this purpose.

17:35:38 *: mircea_popescu loathes canned cream.

17:35:48 nubbins`: danielpbarron FWIW this is completely different from n2o buzz 8)

17:35:59 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you don't say. try it while ejaculating suddenly sometime.

17:35:59 nubbins`: scroll up, i've passed out from both and can compare

17:36:05 danielpbarron: lol

17:36:43 nubbins`: bbl things

17:36:51 nubbins`: oh also if any of you are into birds

17:37:00 nubbins`: we have a new batch of books done up

17:37:15 mircea_popescu: birds as in women ?

17:37:23 nubbins`: http://patrick-canning-ppkq.squarespace.com/birdsofnewfoundland/birds-of-newfoundland

17:37:25 assbot: Birds Of Newfoundland — PATRICK THOMAS CANNING ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJz9vG )

17:37:28 nubbins`: birds as in, of a feather

17:37:40 nubbins`: what is this, london in 1960? :D

17:37:47 nubbins`: crikey mate

17:37:51 nubbins`: this bird's gone all uh

17:37:58 mircea_popescu: o hey

17:37:58 *: nubbins` grasps

17:38:13 nubbins`: women's lib-y

17:38:15 nubbins`: or something

17:38:20 Adlai: wodehousian?

17:38:24 nubbins`: there ya go

17:38:44 Adlai: pronounced "wood house in", of course

17:38:50 nubbins`: also MFW i realized the "machismo" of north america in film, tv, commercials, etc etc was a response to second-wave feminism

17:39:03 nubbins`: in the 70s

17:39:09 nubbins`: anyway bbl

17:39:21 nubbins`: neckbeards gonna neckbeard

17:40:40 mircea_popescu: i don't really think "2nd wave" feminism was ever important enough to engender noticeable reaction.

17:41:00 mircea_popescu: obviously current fem derps would very much like to think so, mostly because it involves people they like to promote.

17:41:33 PeterL: so to finalize where I was going, since n2o goes through the gas/liquid transition you can squish much more into the can at a reasonable pressure than n2, and so you get fluffier cream when it comes out of the can. n2 whipped cream would not be fluffy.

17:42:14 Adlai: and it gets you high. who doesn't like products with dual market appeal!

17:42:17 mircea_popescu: i can see it.

17:43:06 mircea_popescu: i guess this drama's dried up, need to move on to something else to keep the btc price up.

17:43:13 PeterL: has nothing to do with solubilizing in the cream

17:43:21 mircea_popescu: how about "I am blocking you due to your association with a argentinian ass bag named MirceaPopescu who has stolen the personal information of many people on fet life and posted it to a web site."

17:43:53 mircea_popescu: my dream is that at some future point two groups of people will beat each other up to cries of "the asshole's a romanian gypsy!" "no he's an argentinian commie!"

17:44:14 Adlai: actually it's a lot worse, he's part of BITCOIN


17:44:41 PeterL: so mircea_popescu, when are you going to start pushing up the bitcoin price so you can win the berkshire bet?

17:45:00 mircea_popescu: that soudns too much like work.

17:45:12 Adlai: after he's done betting enough that he also wins the billion dollar bet bet

17:45:14 PeterL: have your slaves do it for you?

17:45:15 mircea_popescu: if my work self wins the bet, then that's not really the real me winning

17:45:26 mircea_popescu: i want to win by itself!

17:46:36 Adlai: it's not Work if it pays out in Virtual Currency

17:47:30 mircea_popescu: that's a theory...

17:47:33 PeterL: the only work worth doing is the kind that pays out in bitcoin

17:47:55 ben_vulpes: have we done exercise strategies yet?

17:48:38 ben_vulpes: or macronutrient ratios?

17:48:44 ben_vulpes: lots of lulz and drama to be had there.

17:48:48 mircea_popescu: speaking of macronutrients, http://38.media.tumblr.com/02a5dae6f2717b6f017869b0f09290cf/tumblr_n7gk41YjaL1snq5aro1_400.gif

17:48:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJBV47 )

17:49:03 ben_vulpes: heh great

17:49:10 ben_vulpes: lady v loved cunt-in-a-box btw

17:49:29 mircea_popescu: haha cool.

17:59:31 PeterL: !up xuthus

17:59:48 xuthus: \o/

18:14:35 mircea_popescu: mike_c http://thetarpit.org/posts/y01/031-bitcoin-as-infrastructure-iv.html#fn1 << check it out, you had at least one fad!

18:14:37 assbot: The Tar Pit - Bitcoin as infrastructure [iv] ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJHIGY )

18:14:37 mircea_popescu: fan*

18:15:16 mike_c: oh, wow. that's cool :)

18:15:32 mike_c: i take back everything i ever said about footnotes.

18:15:44 mircea_popescu: hahaha

18:18:26 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mecsighbsW1ql6862o1_1280.jpg << you can now buy medieval torture devices.

18:18:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJIAeu )

18:18:33 mircea_popescu: much better quality than ximenez ever had.

18:19:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.00042221 = 18.6406 BTC [+]

18:25:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17151 @ 0.00040839 = 7.0043 BTC [-]

18:27:41 xuthus: mircea you are sick...

18:29:17 mircea_popescu: right now ?

18:30:15 mircea_popescu: lol

18:30:16 mircea_popescu: !up xuthus

18:30:53 xuthus: yep right now with your toy images

18:31:28 mircea_popescu: i didn'ty make it!

18:31:51 mircea_popescu: i merely report. to inform and entertain! im thye fucking gray lady over here.

18:32:59 xuthus: then you are forgiven

18:38:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00042221 = 15.8118 BTC [+]

18:56:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can only speak for my case, but yes, the culinary shops sell NO2. where i live - in small cylinders approx. the size of a shotgun shell. i know full well which gas it is, because my sole use of it is in a miniature cutting torch.

18:57:09 mircea_popescu: aha!

18:57:26 mircea_popescu: so war on drugs that are powders ? gases are ok ?

18:57:32 mircea_popescu: unrelated lulz : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/04/inflammable_means_flammable_wh.html#comment-39883

18:57:33 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: "Inflammable Means Flammable? What A Country!" ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBlB1K )

18:58:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: laughers can get all the laughing gas they could wish for, yes. i often see these bottles - emptied - lying on the kerb, fallen out of upturned student house dumpsters.

18:58:30 mircea_popescu: whoops... in which we find tlp has 75% fewer comments than fraudsters over twice the period ? this sucks.

18:59:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i lived there i'd prep my girls with a literful of it in the rectum before going to a student party in one opf those cramped apts like they do.

18:59:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for all i know, this is precisely how it is used.

19:00:12 mircea_popescu: kinda discretely fart while standing, right in the face of seated ppl.

19:03:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and n2o not no2

19:04:56 mircea_popescu: right, no2 can't even exist.

19:07:02 mircea_popescu: also useful, http://38.media.tumblr.com/00984e56d18f885fdaa213761577a56f/tumblr_mlvpd4F8jh1rvhqkto1_250.gif

19:07:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vQ1gsQ )

19:13:31 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so war on drugs that are powders ? gases are ok ? << don't forget plants

19:14:34 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: likes plants

19:14:38 thestringpuller: i kno i do

19:14:43 ben_vulpes: slander!

19:15:00 thestringpuller: :( i thought we were bff ben_vulpes

19:15:29 thestringpuller: I was gonna visit you up in the great NW when I was out in SF in March since its a train ride away.

19:15:40 thestringpuller: I guess no beers.

19:15:56 ben_vulpes: still can if you want to

19:15:58 ben_vulpes: just...slander

19:18:49 thestringpuller: so you don't like plants? I knew you were a 100% carnivore.

19:19:14 thestringpuller: forks! not knives!

19:19:26 asciilifeform: 'medieval' pear << a gear puller is almost precisely a pear. visit a bicyclist's shop.

19:19:37 mircea_popescu: ;;google Frederick Davidson, 36, grad student in engineering at San Diego State, shoots three professors at his dissertation defense.

19:19:38 gribble: San Diego State University shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_State_University_shooting; Frederick Davidson | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers: http://murderpedia.org/male.D/d/davidson-frederick-martin.htm; 3 on San Diego State Faculty Fatally Shot - Los Angeles Times: http://articles.latimes.com/1996-08-16/news (1 more message)

19:19:44 mircea_popescu: talk about a fckin defense.

19:19:58 mircea_popescu: ;;google Dec. 6, 1989: Gamil Gharbi, 25, engineering student at the University of Montreal, kills 13 women and wounds others (he released the men.)

19:20:00 gribble: The Last Psychiatrist: University Shootings: I'm Sure It's All Just A ...: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/05/university_shootings_im_sure_i.html

19:20:06 mircea_popescu: nubbins` also 2nd wave reaction ?

19:21:39 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this reminds me of d00d who attacked guy with a katana at Tech. << http://nique.net/news/2010/02/11/officials-release-sword-attack-details/

19:22:00 mircea_popescu: dude so backward can't even get semis ?!

19:25:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: close quarters, unskilled hands, unarmed target - blade has something to recommend itself over pistol

19:27:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00040839 = 2.6545 BTC [-]

19:41:05 mircea_popescu: the katana is strictly useful to the skilled hands.

19:41:34 mircea_popescu: the ak-47... less strictly so.

19:41:40 mircea_popescu: it was made for russians after all :D

19:42:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strictly... to the skilled hands << against bare flesh ?

19:42:11 mircea_popescu: yes.

19:42:30 mircea_popescu: (for instace : it's trivial to get a blade stuck. say in the rib cage.

19:42:37 mircea_popescu: also trivial to break it, say in the lumbar spine.

19:42:57 mircea_popescu: etc etc. one who's never butchered - say game - doth not readily feel the difficulty of the problem)

19:43:41 mircea_popescu: but anyway, humans aren't "bare flesh" in the sense of, overgrown squid. it's really quite well designed a mechanical apparatus. not least designed to... withstand swords.

19:43:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps the ancient art of 'sword test' will be revived one day.

19:44:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, anybody with a kitchen knows that 'meat' isn't strictly flesh, yes

19:46:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes except one pound of prime rib is a) one pound rather than one hundred - and quantity has a quality all of its own - for instance it won't likely spit blood in your eyes ; b) already intensively prepared. for instance ? skin removed.

19:47:14 mircea_popescu: a large part of the problem is similar to why you can't shoot fish worth a crap. skin, muscle, fatand bone have widely variant refractive indexes.

19:50:05 PeterL: mircea_popescu:right, no2 can't even exist. << does exist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide "reddish-brown toxic gas has a characteristic sharp, biting odor and is a prominent air pollutant."

19:50:07 assbot: Nitrogen dioxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeZErd )

19:51:16 mircea_popescu: jesus my chemistry's totally forgotten.

19:51:45 PeterL: don't worry, you have me to correct you :)

19:52:05 mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/41c9f07f7468fc09605f0698ad415ca6/tumblr_mos7vz0RqF1rlxsb8o1_1280.jpg have a pretty blonde with impossible tits as your just reward.

19:52:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Af00xU )

19:52:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is a very entertaining comic book (yes) titled 'samurai executioner', about the life and times of a (loosely historic) fella who famously specialized in testing swords on whole bodies (alive and dead).

19:52:28 PeterL: would be funny if some derp snorted NO2 instead of N2O

19:52:54 mircea_popescu: they'd choke

19:53:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i learned of it from ilkka kokkarinen. despite the format, worth the evening or two to read.

19:53:13 PeterL: right, not funny for them, funny for us watching

19:53:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unrelatedly, can you imagine that fetlife rebelled, and banned my... acount. but not the ip. i'm still in shock over the fact.

19:54:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulziez

19:54:08 mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder if the internet itself shouldn't have a bus factor.

19:54:32 mircea_popescu: ie, osama killed off the us simply by flying a bomb disguised as a plane into the us financial nerve center disguised asa building.

19:54:51 mircea_popescu: is the next nut going to end the internet by killing 5k anon people that were 99.x% of all the people who understood how it works ?

19:55:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that 'grandfather time' has already clobbered most of'em

19:55:40 mircea_popescu: well, yes. because in 1970 there were like 100k.

19:55:45 mircea_popescu: down to 5k. like the bitcoin nodes.

19:56:03 mircea_popescu: "all is fine, don't worry, throw LOCs by the thousand million, because it's like a truck, it can hold anything

19:56:21 mircea_popescu: and it's worth doing it for your idiotic "national interests" of trying to hide useful bugs in the morass"

19:56:47 mircea_popescu: in short : once sociopathology is identified, it's god damned everywhere.

19:56:47 PeterL: and it makes work for derpy coders

19:56:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of which, gnat built and functions on another box (presently i lack the time to investigate why, but will eventually say)

19:57:00 mircea_popescu: PeterL who all rely on an ununderstood externality.

19:57:58 mircea_popescu: PeterL for some reason i had thought N is trivalent and somehow this made n2o possible but no2 impossible

19:58:03 mircea_popescu: i guess esther n link

19:58:19 mircea_popescu: or how do you call the double link again ?

19:58:27 PeterL: double bond?

19:58:30 mircea_popescu: yes.

19:58:43 mircea_popescu: like acetylene, what's that ?

19:58:59 PeterL: well, there are plenty of compounds that don't have perfect octets for all the atoms

19:59:33 mircea_popescu: ok but generally two hydrocarbons united by a double link at some point are called something no ?

19:59:51 PeterL: ethylene

19:59:52 mircea_popescu: alkyne

19:59:56 PeterL: alkene

19:59:58 mircea_popescu: ok

20:00:03 PeterL: alkyne has triple bond

20:00:19 mircea_popescu: erryday i's learn things i used to know.

20:08:13 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this is how I feel when I listen to your stories MP.

20:08:42 thestringpuller: This channel reminds me of someone holding court.

20:10:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23773 @ 0.00042221 = 10.0372 BTC [+]

20:12:04 PeterL: thestringpuller: expound on the court idea?

20:16:07 thestringpuller: So I guess I visualize the IRC channel as a bunch of people huddled in some large beautiful room. A new person enters and one of the lords is like "you have permission to speak, what have you?" Which reminds me of congregations of days of old.

20:22:43 PeterL: zxs,;2ow[4f6latyrews/qsjde;iuop['f[p

20:22:53 PeterL: ack! 3yo atacking keyboard

20:23:50 mircea_popescu: hello precocious 3yo. signatures already ?

20:23:51 Adlai: Which reminds me of congregations of days of old. << except our doormen are robots

20:24:55 thestringpuller: lol. I can't wait til a large crypto company is left to a precocious 3yo.

20:25:05 PeterL: and there is not one king at the throne, it is more like a council, or the greek forum

20:25:06 thestringpuller: "I want toys. Lets build toys."

20:27:36 thestringpuller: PeterL: it's more feudal IMO than those examples, but same gist of things.

20:45:28 mircea_popescu: the lulz thickens http://fraudsters.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/

20:45:29 assbot: Sooo... FetLife is butthurt. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjCxA1 )

20:49:00 ben_vulpes: i just tried to share a folder from one mac to another

20:49:07 ben_vulpes: functionality that's worked for what, a decade?

20:49:08 ben_vulpes: fucking nothing.

20:49:20 ben_vulpes: i can see the guy's laptop, can't even open the "dropbox".

20:49:27 ben_vulpes: he can't even see mine from his machine.

20:49:30 ben_vulpes: good job apple.

20:49:35 mircea_popescu: apple just works neh ?

20:49:36 ben_vulpes: way to break functionality that's just worked.

20:49:40 PeterL: does he have sharing enabled on his machine?

20:49:49 ben_vulpes: PeterL: i'm pretty savvy with the os x shit.

20:49:53 ben_vulpes: sharing is on.

20:49:54 ben_vulpes: on mine as well.

20:50:08 ben_vulpes: the amusing thing is how their "airdrop" shit doesn't work either.

20:50:21 ben_vulpes: .1 btc sez it's because i refuse to upgrade to 10.10

20:50:35 mircea_popescu: im not taking that.

20:51:21 PeterL: I am still on 10.5, I don't know anything about the new versions

20:53:04 ben_vulpes: PeterL: kudos to you

20:53:16 ben_vulpes: i dismiss the upgrade notification each and ev-er-y day.

20:53:34 PeterL: not like I did it on purpose, now I can't get any new software

20:54:14 thestringpuller: airdrop is iffy

20:59:28 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: Yosemite is the best upgrade evah tho

20:59:32 thestringpuller: that Hand-Off

20:59:42 thestringpuller: and SMS in iMessage for iPhone users

21:05:13 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/

21:05:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44118 @ 0.00041815 = 18.4479 BTC [-] {2}

21:05:46 mircea_popescu: o scoopy's back ?

21:09:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fetlife article << mega-lol!

21:11:51 mircea_popescu: ya srsly.

21:12:09 mircea_popescu: someone drop it on hn, maybe the folk are bored and looking for a rehash of 2005's internet politics ?

21:33:33 ben_vulpes: reusable code means code you can copy and paste elsewhere in your codebase

21:50:36 mircea_popescu: shoul;dn't that really be a function/object/we ?

21:52:00 mircea_popescu: "Taking Iraq and President Bush as starting points, and examining the defense mechanisms we use to cope with both, yields the unsurprising conclusion that we are a society of narcissists.

21:52:00 mircea_popescu: While this discovery is familiar to readers of my blog, what might be a surprise is what this heralds for our society politically and economically. It isn't socialism, or even communism, as I had feared. It's feudalism. It's not 2007. It's 1066."

21:52:21 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/05/the_wrong_lessons_of_iraq.html << guy knew about 5 years before me.

21:52:22 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Wrong Lessons Of Iraq ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjTOsI )

21:53:24 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: wish I had bashed that.

21:59:16 mircea_popescu: http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=30897,filename=dre_burning_man.jpg << lol ?

21:59:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjVzX9 )

22:00:53 thestringpuller: holy shit if that's real that's fucking hilarious

22:01:41 thestringpuller: "Wish I was up in that ass."

22:02:00 thestringpuller: I'm totally signing emails to my girl that way for now on.

22:03:27 nubbins`: heh

22:03:34 mircea_popescu: from what i gather dr dre invented the modern, commercial burning man

22:03:45 mircea_popescu: ianae, maybe im being trolled.

22:06:21 nubbins`: just maybe

22:06:45 nubbins`: oh, my pogoplug arrived today!

22:06:46 nubbins`: so tiny

22:07:04 mircea_popescu: thjey're small aren't they

22:11:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45448 @ 0.00040944 = 18.6082 BTC [-] {2}

22:13:42 pete_dushenski: shkoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/16/shame-them-beat-them-parent-them/

22:13:43 assbot: Shame them, beat them, parent them. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yNRhiv )

22:15:10 pete_dushenski: "Nobody’s really talking about it, but I suspect this is a wider trend: blogs aren’t dying, but they are significantly declining. 2015 might be a rough year."

22:16:23 pete_dushenski: uhuh right

22:16:51 pete_dushenski: i'm sure that using someone else's platform is "just as good"

22:17:29 pete_dushenski: and that shallow splashes in the kiddy pool are going to replace the ocean.

22:21:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3155 @ 0.00075 = 2.3663 BTC [+]

22:26:41 mircea_popescu: o ya, im sure lol.

22:28:10 mircea_popescu: course it's fairly obvious who would be claiming that, and why.

22:28:14 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> shoul;dn't that really be a function/object/we ? << being a bit sarcastic here boss

22:28:18 mircea_popescu: gotta prop up that whatsap pool

22:28:21 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes oh kk

22:28:32 pete_dushenski: lol yup

22:28:35 ben_vulpes: found thirty lines copied 3 times each

22:28:38 ben_vulpes: variable names changed

22:28:42 ben_vulpes: comment blocks left unchanged

22:28:46 ben_vulpes: oh the life of a webdev monkey

22:31:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.000421 = 21.45 BTC [+] {2}

22:32:07 pete_dushenski: "The U.S. National Security Agency has figured out how to hide spying software deep within hard drives made by Western Digital, Seagate, Toshiba and other top manufacturers, giving the agency the means to eavesdrop on the majority of the world's computers"

22:36:18 mircea_popescu: lols

22:36:20 pete_dushenski: "It is not clear how the NSA may have obtained the hard drives' source code. Western Digital spokesman Steve Shattuck said the company "has not provided its source code to government agencies." The other hard drive makers would not say if they had shared their source code with the NSA. "

22:36:39 mircea_popescu: derp.

22:36:54 pete_dushenski: ya another wound for the nsa

22:37:20 pete_dushenski: and anyone doing business with the americans

22:37:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00042221 = 9.9219 BTC [+]

22:38:04 danielpbarron: a hard drive has source code?

22:38:15 mircea_popescu: well they run something on the embedded chips.

22:38:15 pete_dushenski: the firmware for it does

22:40:20 Adlai: my hard drives have tons of source code!

22:41:26 Adlai: is it that hard to imagine that nsa doesn't need the manufacturers' text source to backdoor their drives!?

22:42:37 Adlai: and even if they did, it's probably faster for them to steal it than ask nicely (not that the latter wouldn't work... it just takes time and paperwork)

22:43:12 mircea_popescu: how does the diddled source end up on the hdds ?

22:45:12 pete_dushenski: The group used a variety of means to spread other spying programs, such as by compromising jihadist websites, infecting USB sticks and CDs, and developing a self-spreading computer worm called Fanny, Kasperky said.

22:45:12 pete_dushenski: Fanny was like Stuxnet in that it exploited two of the same undisclosed software flaws, known as "zero days," which strongly suggested collaboration by the authors,

22:45:27 Adlai: i'm not this kind of 'hacker', but i gather that if you have root access to the computer, you can send arbitrary bits down the bus connected to the hdd

22:45:28 pete_dushenski: from the article: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/16/us-usa-cyberspying-idUSKBN0LK1QV20150216

22:45:29 assbot: Russian researchers expose breakthrough U.S. spying program | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzqH2G )

22:46:00 mircea_popescu: Adlai yes, but that does not necessarily replace the firmware.

22:46:03 mircea_popescu: if it did... think about it.

22:46:36 Adlai: http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack&page=3

22:46:37 assbot: Sprites mods - Hard disk hacking - Hooking up JTAG ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzqV9Y )

22:46:38 PeterL: thestringpuller: I figured out why your blog was killing scoopbot: there is no author field included

22:47:31 mircea_popescu: yes but you gotta hook the jtags...

22:47:51 punkman: the hdd manufacturers publish firmware updaters

22:48:10 mircea_popescu: that work off the data bus ?

22:48:17 punkman: pretty sure

22:48:37 mircea_popescu: that's pretty dumb eh.

22:48:45 Adlai: sorry, this one: http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack&page=6 "The Western Digital firmware upgrade tools proves this is possible: it's basically a tool you run under DOS to put new firmware to both the flash and the service area aka the reserved sectors of the hard disk."

22:48:46 assbot: Sprites mods - Hard disk hacking - Software flashing ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dzrb8W )

22:49:14 punkman: http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en

22:49:18 assbot: Firmware Updates for Seagate Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dzrgt6 )

22:49:31 punkman: "Until recently, firmware updates for typical desktop and laptop computers were difficult and somewhat risky. This situation, in part, was based on a lack of friendly firmware download tools and operating system limitations. This situation has improved and Seagate now offers firmware updates as a routine matter for the general support of your Seagate drive."

22:50:26 mircea_popescu: i can not begin to conceive how this is an improvement.

22:50:27 pete_dushenski: PeterL: same with my articles then ? author needed ?

22:50:53 Adlai: improvement... because the ceo gets fewer phone calls from usg

22:50:54 PeterL: no pete_dushenski, I still don't know why yours are failing

22:51:05 pete_dushenski: lolk

22:51:10 Adlai: they can backdoor the drive without the ceo having to patch usg through to the cto

22:51:21 pete_dushenski: let this go down in history as a great mystery

22:51:47 Adlai: it's because PeterL doesn't beat scoopbot in public, instead berating the authors

22:51:48 pete_dushenski: like why suleiman didn't try to conquer vienna again

22:51:58 pete_dushenski: Adlai: ha!

22:52:12 pete_dushenski: give scoopbot an old man haircut

22:52:27 pete_dushenski: teach that indignant fuck who's boss

22:53:58 Adlai: spraying water on a puppy's face works wonders, has anybody tried that with brats?

22:54:53 PeterL: I sprayed my cat a couple times to keep her from walking on the dining room table, never tried it with my kids

22:55:12 Adlai: you managed to train a cat!?

22:55:41 Adlai: they must not make them like they used to

22:55:42 mircea_popescu: it's generally better to talk to children

22:55:44 PeterL: well, "train" as in she does not do that one thing which I liked least

22:55:52 Adlai: where is mircea_popescu and what have you done with him!?

22:55:58 mircea_popescu: lol

22:56:07 PeterL: who here has the most kids?

22:57:04 mircea_popescu: you and mike_c have each one afaik, that being teh record.

22:57:07 pete_dushenski: cazalla has a pair iirc

22:57:09 PeterL: I only have 3 so far

22:57:14 mircea_popescu: cazalla only 1 no ?

22:57:33 pete_dushenski: you're probably right

22:57:41 pete_dushenski: 3 takes the cake then

22:57:45 mircea_popescu: only 3 ? dude, you kidding, you're the guy the biological survival of the english speaking world relies on if you have 3. what only/

22:58:13 cazalla: i only have the 1

22:58:16 PeterL: well, only as in I might have more later, and two of my siblings have more than me

22:58:19 cazalla: first and last

22:58:32 mircea_popescu: is it fun ?

22:58:35 pete_dushenski: cazalla: lol colour me shocked

22:58:53 cazalla: it can be lots of fun

22:58:56 PeterL: making kids is fun

22:59:04 Adlai: there should be #bitcoin-asslings with hand-held log readings and condescension seminars

22:59:26 mike_c: i have 1.5

22:59:40 cazalla: pete_dushenski, how do you feel about actually letting the little shits in the playground run amok so that you can gauge how much of a pussy your own kids are if they don't stand up to him?

22:59:40 PeterL: how do you have half a kid?

22:59:44 mike_c: bun in the oven

23:00:26 mircea_popescu: PeterL is this due to some sort of religious belief or just personal preference ?

23:00:53 PeterL: religious belief? more of a cultural thing

23:01:07 pete_dushenski: cazalla: not sure that would determine my kids' pussiness one way or another

23:01:21 pete_dushenski: it may be energetically cheaper to ignore the tard

23:01:33 cazalla: pete_dushenski, well he is either going to turn around and smack the other kid upside the head or allow another kid to hen peck him

23:01:41 PeterL: but yes, a few families at church bigger than mine

23:01:53 pete_dushenski: cazalla: or move to the other side of the playground

23:02:03 pete_dushenski: or ask to go home

23:02:08 cazalla: pete_dushenski, or smash the kid and have him move instead

23:02:17 pete_dushenski: sure

23:02:45 cazalla: i am inclined to let kids sort out their own drama anyway, turns out they usually end up friends by the next day anyway

23:02:46 pete_dushenski: i'm not advocating for helicoptering

23:03:01 pete_dushenski: cazalla: i could see that

23:03:08 pete_dushenski: as many relationships start

23:03:24 pete_dushenski: guy teases girl, they end up dating, etc

23:04:30 cazalla: well, that's more teenagers

23:05:10 Adlai: anybody read perez's "Technological Revolutions and Financial Capital" ?

23:05:12 cazalla: as i see it, the problems begin when parents/teachers get involved and start teaching the kids it is better to seek out an adult to deal with the bully than hit back and sort it out yourself

23:05:23 Adlai: oh we're discussing Ender's Dilemma now

23:05:32 mircea_popescu: cazalla that's kinda how it goes yes.

23:05:45 mike_c: physically fighting bullies has a short lifespan. when you get to high school they get a lot stronger.

23:06:55 cazalla: mike_c, that's what friends are for, real friends, the ones with balls, the ones who will grab his arms from behind while you sock him a couple times

23:07:13 cazalla: what do i know though, only went to naughty boys school for 6 months :P

23:07:13 mike_c: hehe. it's a strategy i suppose.

23:15:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61594 @ 0.00042542 = 26.2033 BTC [+] {3}

23:16:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71750 @ 0.00043228 = 31.0161 BTC [+] {2}

23:17:57 PeterL: !up copumpkin

23:19:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00043646 = 13.8358 BTC [+] {2}

23:20:36 cazalla: researching an article and you know what would be good? a wiki of bitcoin companies, who was involved, when they launched/closed etc etc, edited and maintained by a select few

23:20:57 mike_c: somebody was doing that..

23:21:07 mike_c: BingoBoingo: that was you!

23:27:22 mircea_popescu: lol

23:27:38 mircea_popescu: it would be good. if you have the time/energy, cazalla, it would work well as a companion to qntra.

23:27:49 mircea_popescu: sort-of like that arrington thing worker, we its name was

23:27:56 mike_c: crunchbase

23:27:57 cazalla: crunchbase?

23:27:59 mircea_popescu: right that.

23:28:01 mircea_popescu: yup

23:28:10 mircea_popescu: huge workload tho.

23:28:21 thestringpuller: scoopbot /wind 12

23:28:23 mike_c: smaller if it's crowdsourced

23:28:41 mike_c: a million eyes makes everything easy!

23:29:13 scoopbot: New post on Pull Your Own Strings: http://thestringpuller.tumblr.com/post/111222539949

23:29:23 mike_c: but seriously, if there were an L2 editable repository (like the b-a wiki), I'm sure multiple people would contribute

23:29:25 PeterL: aha, it worked!

23:29:28 thestringpuller: :D

23:30:03 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Pretty sure I threw in the towel because sources that needed consulted were threatening brain damage

23:31:15 lobbes: So getting ZNC configured to use SSL ended up being a great 'introduction project' for learning some of the basics of linux. I would recommend to all the other n00bs out there

23:32:30 cazalla: i actually like the idea, i might brainstorm some ideas and see what i come up with, start by cherring picking the easier topcis such as exchanges

23:34:24 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: Child soldiers make the best kids.

23:34:48 pete_dushenski: i'll take your word for it ;)

23:35:30 pete_dushenski: jokes aside, soldiers are obedient and dedicated

23:35:52 pete_dushenski: they appreciate authority and understand hierarchy

23:36:48 pete_dushenski: so i suppose child soldiers would make decent kids

23:48:30 mircea_popescu: lobbes wd.