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Transcript for 16-04-2014, 1230 lines:

00:01:24 mircea_popescu: "Their mascot is the Viking."

00:01:35 TestingUnoDosTre: Skol white people!

00:13:10 mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/0WMxIoU << me playing with hipsters.

00:13:51 TestingUnoDosTre: where do you find these people?

00:14:38 mircea_popescu: irk?

00:15:33 BingoBoingo: Classic

00:15:41 mircea_popescu: da fuck is with all the prissy wallflowers claiming "passion"

00:16:06 mircea_popescu: what fucking passion. moar like "too mental for herpes"

00:16:10 pankkake: it's annoyingly boring

00:17:37 Apocalyptic: "Inventor/Entrepreneur/Author 120 patents, 400+ products. Clever & Unique"

00:17:39 BingoBoingo: I dunno. I'd say mircea_popescu is passionate about ownership.

00:17:41 Apocalyptic: just wow

00:17:57 Apocalyptic: reminds me of the 12,000+ domain names guy

00:18:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.05299998 = 1.59 BTC [+] {7}

00:18:22 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic chick's worth some money, has this sort-of workout videos empire

00:19:22 BingoBoingo: It's amazing how many times the simple elastic band and the step stool can be patented

00:19:22 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

00:20:00 mircea_popescu: yeah, basically, she's the bubbliest 44yo on some us based shopping channel

00:20:12 mircea_popescu: billy mays with tits and botulin

00:20:39 mike_c: she's a regular on shark tank

00:20:40 mircea_popescu: "Her first patent was a plastic jewelry organizer for earrings which generated $500 million in sales."

00:21:09 pankkake: 4real?

00:21:12 mircea_popescu: yep

00:21:25 pankkake: I wasn't expecting much when I saw patents, but…

00:21:39 pankkake: this is why I don't take anyone seriously when they say that word

00:21:45 mircea_popescu: anyway, twitter is the best trolling venue imaginable. there's droves of hipsters, aging attention whores, all taking it supar seriously

00:22:15 mod6: haha, true

00:22:26 mircea_popescu: you can ruin someone's whole week in 140 characters.

00:22:33 mod6: + 1 picture

00:22:35 mircea_popescu: just ask them why they look so fat unexpectedly.

00:22:42 TestingUnoDosTre: ooooh I would pay so much to see MP on shark tank

00:23:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00498752 = 0.1297 BTC [-] {6}

00:23:06 mod6: twitter had a melt down yesterday because some girl had a toy plane in her snatch

00:23:06 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre is this the #bitcoin-assets based reality tv show ?

00:23:29 Apocalyptic: mod6, really ?

00:23:30 TestingUnoDosTre: I would like to purchase a 3d printing maching, but I want YOU to buy it!

00:23:34 mircea_popescu: mod6 because nobody could have imagined that the terrorists would use a plane as a dildo.

00:23:41 mod6: lol

00:24:03 mod6: someone said "new meaning to red-eye flight"

00:24:16 mircea_popescu: right in the pink eye!

00:24:16 mod6: :D

00:24:24 *: mod6 laughs

00:28:21 mod6: holy hashrate

00:28:43 mod6: ;;stats

00:28:43 gribble: I have 24 registered users with 31 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.

00:28:53 mod6: ;;bc,stats

00:28:55 gribble: Current Blocks: 296068 | Current Difficulty: 6.119726089128147E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 296351 | Next Difficulty In: 283 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6965027262.78 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.81273

00:29:20 TestingUnoDosTre: gribble quit lowballin the hashrate your whore

00:29:25 mircea_popescu: lol

00:29:36 mircea_popescu: is oz dead ?

00:30:58 dub: the wizard?

00:31:26 benkay: passion?

00:31:31 benkay: only passion is passion for cashin'

00:31:58 BingoBoingo: The Wizard of .bait

00:33:56 mircea_popescu: i liked it for .d

00:34:09 mike_c: kakobrekla is probably bored and could implement those features in assbot. i liked <title> searches.

00:34:24 mircea_popescu: benkay she claims bs on tv, buncha overweight wwu students believe her start flailing arms and making wild claims.

00:34:35 mircea_popescu: mike_c i liked title too.

00:35:54 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

00:35:55 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.0, Best ask: 517.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 518.0, 24 hour volume: 33065.44812123, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 491.745388954

00:36:01 TestingUnoDosTre: .d

00:37:03 mircea_popescu: so this is fucking weird. gribble says 24 hour high 528

00:37:09 mircea_popescu: meanwhile bitcoincharts disagrees : <gribble> Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.0, Best ask: 517.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 518.0, 24 hour volume: 33065.44812123, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 491.745388954

00:37:19 mircea_popescu: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg60ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv

00:37:23 mircea_popescu: not even close to 520.

00:37:28 mircea_popescu: wtf is going on here ;/

00:38:28 mike_c: remember that thing about how you closed options because no one could be relied on for good data?

00:38:48 mircea_popescu: i do.

00:39:16 mike_c: hm, but if i am reading it right they are 8 hours old on their data?

00:39:22 Apocalyptic: well bitcoincharts is wrong

00:39:36 mike_c: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg2ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv

00:39:43 Apocalyptic: isn't it run by thermos or something anyway ?

00:39:44 mike_c: seems like data stopped some hours ago

00:39:56 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic afaik gribble takes its numbers from it

00:40:00 benkay: off to an 'internet of things' aka networked and api-ified sensor get together. perhaps i'll find some new clients there tonight...

00:40:13 Apocalyptic: <mike_c> seems like data stopped some hours ago << good catch

00:41:13 benkay: the barons of course not needing any derpy web or mobile apps.

00:41:46 mircea_popescu: benkay we can't afford smartphones

00:44:49 TestingUnoDosTre: yah it peaked at 515 like 16 hours ago

00:45:18 TestingUnoDosTre: for bitcoincharts, thats 6 hours prior, in displayed data

00:45:33 BingoBoingo: Politics is weird: http://www.bnd.com/2014/04/15/3162876/carl-officer-forms-superpac-to.html

00:45:57 mircea_popescu: "Please log in to access this feature."

00:46:03 mircea_popescu: perhaps i'll pass.

00:46:45 BingoBoingo: Eh or dun use javascript

00:46:54 BingoBoingo: No need to tor

00:47:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.06637855 = 1.4603 BTC [+] {5}

00:47:56 BingoBoingo: Basically longtime former democratic East StL mayor is now supporting the Repube candidate for governor.

00:48:06 mircea_popescu: lol

00:48:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0669899 = 0.201 BTC [+]

00:48:44 TestingUnoDosTre: quite hilarious

00:48:45 mircea_popescu: "Well the answer is the IRS is extremely strict about property taxes and nobody in the United States is going to want to use Bitcoin after a 20% tax on it. That combined with Bitcoin rumors about China banning it means we won't see $525." << anon expert, april 15th around noon.

00:48:58 mircea_popescu: bitcoin goes blazing past 525, about twelve hours later.

00:49:08 mircea_popescu: after wallowing in the 400s for weeks.

00:49:17 mircea_popescu: the anon experts are a very valuable signal, turns out.

00:49:21 TestingUnoDosTre: and he had to make a SuperPac that was called Dems and Independents for Rauner, because he figured that those groups wouldnt want to contribute to a fund called "citizens for Rauner"

00:49:51 TestingUnoDosTre: pretty sure half the people who post on there are just trying to get bets to the other side

00:49:58 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre "citizens" is kinda republican codeword neh ?

00:50:20 TestingUnoDosTre: soon it will be comrade

00:50:49 BingoBoingo: http://www.eslarp.uiuc.edu/ibex/archive/yelvington/interviews/mayor_carl_officer.htm

00:51:15 BingoBoingo: Carl Officer has a rich history of creating the lulz

00:51:56 BingoBoingo: http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2005-03-23/news/the-resurrection-of-carl-officer/

00:52:14 TestingUnoDosTre: did you just google "carl officer nazi" or something?

00:52:19 TestingUnoDosTre: how do you find this shit

00:53:05 mircea_popescu: apparently everyone is better at finding shit people than you.

00:53:26 BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: I'm from the general region, just a more rural part

00:54:50 mircea_popescu: soo, google ad on bitstamp query :

00:55:03 mircea_popescu: Bitstamp - Cumpără Bitcoin CFD - demo gratis - Plus500.ro‎ Ad www.plus500.ro/Bitstamp‎ Vă riscaţi propriul capital. Plus500 has 1,340 followers on Google+

00:55:15 mircea_popescu: shitty scam paying like 5 bux a click

00:55:38 TestingUnoDosTre: i got a 404

01:22:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00097332 = 26.3283 BTC [+] {3}

01:28:31 TestingUnoDosTre: best youtube comment I've read in while "If this was reddit, it would be r/gore"

01:30:02 TestingUnoDosTre: and then there's this http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-27031180

01:34:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05309998 = 0.1062 BTC [+]

01:34:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]

01:37:58 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/top-marine-says-pay-cuts-will-improve-discipline-neck-1561628479

01:38:01 ThickAsThieves: hey isnt that the shark tank lady youre fukn with mp?

01:38:06 ThickAsThieves: you own her?

01:38:35 ThickAsThieves: her three words basically read: I'm horny.

01:39:44 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/yourcommunity/2014/04/racy-homoerotic-postage-stamps-set-for-release-in-finland.html

01:39:48 nubbins`: actually fucking awesome

01:40:21 ThickAsThieves: first bj on a stamp is two men

01:40:25 ThickAsThieves: funny stuff

01:40:41 ThickAsThieves: i linked yesterday with the caption: blowstamps

01:41:02 nubbins`: heh

01:41:11 Apocalyptic: apparently 22% of NY is on foodstamps

01:41:33 nubbins`: state or city

01:41:38 Apocalyptic: city

01:41:42 nubbins`: not bad

01:43:02 ThickAsThieves: that seems hard to believe

01:44:01 asciilifeform: 'His Marines could care less, he said, because they just "want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next."'

01:44:27 nubbins`: someone in payroll, no doubt

01:45:29 asciilifeform: there's a magic number, somewhere down there, where soldiers start selling ammo, other materiel, whole vehicles - to the enemy

01:45:31 BingoBoingo: Followed shortly by http://www.hqmc.marines.mil/portals/61/Docs/SMMC_letter_to_Marines1.pdf

01:45:47 asciilifeform: russia found what the number was (~6 mo. delay of pay, approx.)

01:45:53 asciilifeform: let's see what the american number is.

01:46:12 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To be fair this wasn't a Flag officer, but Flag enlisted

01:46:53 asciilifeform: in other lulz,

01:46:54 asciilifeform: http://www.examiner.com/article/martial-law-obama-confiscates-national-guard-helicopters-from-all-50-states

01:47:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03050271 = 0.2135 BTC [-] {3}

01:47:59 dub: grab the turkey cletus we headin for the shelter

01:48:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05348998 = 0.214 BTC [+] {3}

01:48:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03 = 0.6 BTC [-]

01:48:58 asciilifeform: soviet ministry of internal affairs had tanks, choppers.

01:49:02 asciilifeform: didn't make a lick of difference.

01:49:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.05372635 = 0.591 BTC [+] {5}

01:49:55 dub: how many times has the national guard deployed a gunship in the history of gunships

01:50:10 dub: my guess: 0 times

01:50:36 asciilifeform: point, if i understood, was to keep it 0.

01:50:36 BingoBoingo: dub: Well they probably didn't have to deploy "their" gunships, just their pilots

01:54:26 dub: #bitcoin-teaparty

01:57:45 BingoBoingo: Eh, if bad collapse happens the teaparty factions are just as likely to be oppresive and appropriate your crops as the gobmint factions

01:58:18 asciilifeform: where does 'good collapse' live?

01:58:26 asciilifeform: did i miss something?

01:59:19 BingoBoingo: Well, USSR vs. Somalia

02:01:16 BingoBoingo: This goes to the Orlov, the USSR was set up be not collapse as painfully as the thing could have otherwise.

02:02:40 asciilifeform: plenty of ways to lose a head in 'good' collapse.

02:04:01 BingoBoingo: Sure, just less than in bad collapse

02:08:33 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well i was supposed to describe ME not her.

02:09:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0049404 = 0.163 BTC [-]

02:10:05 nubbins`: so i went out to have a drink earlier, stumbled across a poster we printed last november, still stuck to a pole

02:10:13 nubbins`: paper is bleached almost white, inks are immaculate

02:10:34 mike_c: you should use better paper

02:10:43 nubbins`: no i shouldn't

02:10:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05399 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2}

02:10:54 asciilifeform: worse ink?

02:10:55 nubbins`: heh!

02:10:59 nubbins`: better locations, obv

02:11:04 TestingUnoDosTre: what did the poster read

02:11:16 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/3EMyqp9

02:11:42 asciilifeform: for a 'deserving' client, perhaps print with ink which fades out to reveal 'secret' message.

02:12:15 nubbins`: oo, fun. red ink on red paper

02:12:17 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i had a self-adhesive print last ~2 years on a facade.

02:12:30 nubbins`: for reference, that paper was this color when it went up: http://i.imgur.com/yyFnfS1.jpg

02:12:39 mircea_popescu: i'd guess easily 1mn pairs of eyeballs. total cost ? like $5

02:12:43 nubbins`: not bad

02:12:49 nubbins`: guerrilla advertising is best advertising

02:12:59 TestingUnoDosTre: Is pink eye a bar or something?

02:13:14 TestingUnoDosTre: nvm - I see ship pub

02:13:20 nubbins`: it's my printing company

02:13:31 TestingUnoDosTre: ooo

02:13:34 TestingUnoDosTre: what do you print them with?

02:13:44 nubbins`: silkscreen on kraft paper

02:15:10 nubbins`: we use cotton rag paper for good posters. these are cheapies for taping to poles.

02:15:46 TestingUnoDosTre: science be damned, that's an interesting process

02:16:12 nubbins`: very old

02:17:37 nubbins`: chinese were doing it 1000 years ago

02:18:01 TestingUnoDosTre: Oh it appears so. My friend's sister has an old school platten printing machine that looks like it's from the 19th century

02:18:19 TestingUnoDosTre: don't know if that's what the actual name for the process is

02:20:06 asciilifeform: when the famous Kamkin bookstore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Kamkin_Bookstore) imploded, they sold things by the pound, and opened up all of the 'backstage' rooms to customers. in one, i found... a '40s vintage printing press.

02:20:55 asciilifeform: (for catalogues? propaganda? who knew.)

02:21:52 nubbins`: lovely!

02:22:02 nubbins`: if you'll excuse me, my wife needs to be bothered

02:25:46 mircea_popescu: samizdat fo sho

02:25:55 mircea_popescu: !up Lee-

02:25:55 assbot: Voicing Lee- for 30 minutes.

02:25:58 mircea_popescu: !up frz78

02:25:58 assbot: Voicing frz78 for 30 minutes.

02:26:16 asciilifeform: kamkin was known as a place where intelligence goons from both sides shopped.

02:26:34 asciilifeform: as well as maths, physics people.

02:26:55 asciilifeform: (plenty of 'mir publishing co.' maths in english, too)

02:26:56 Lee-: nifty

02:28:08 TestingUnoDosTre: asciilifeform - there was a book burning or what the hell happened?

02:28:39 asciilifeform: TestingUnoDosTre: in the end, the creditors confiscated the shelves, and there were gigantic mountains of book

02:28:48 asciilifeform: that one could climb and dig (literally) down in

02:28:59 asciilifeform: most of the good stuff was picked off

02:29:06 TestingUnoDosTre: ahhh

02:29:08 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

02:29:09 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.0, Best ask: 517.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 517.26, 24 hour volume: 33656.62801655, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 492.41993782

02:29:10 asciilifeform: i found my first book on 'forth' there

02:29:23 TestingUnoDosTre: forth?

02:29:28 asciilifeform: forth.

02:29:33 asciilifeform: ;;google forth

02:29:33 gribble: Forth (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_(programming_language); Forth - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forth; Forth Interest Group Home Page: http://www.forth.org/

02:29:44 asciilifeform: !up TomServo

02:29:44 assbot: Voicing TomServo for 30 minutes.

02:29:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a fitting punishment for they who refused to acknowledge doom.

02:29:54 TomServo: Hello all!

02:29:59 mircea_popescu: hello TomServo

02:30:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kamkin lived by the 'sovietologists' of washington, and - died by them.

02:30:40 TomServo: I'm sure it's been done to death, but could someone point me to instructions on getting into assbots wot?

02:30:49 mircea_popescu: more's the point... to this day there are people running around claiming they're... "journalists"

02:31:00 mircea_popescu: yet the newspaper died, as did the book.

02:31:11 mircea_popescu: TomServo actually it's not done at all.

02:31:37 mircea_popescu: i suppose each of the 29 will publish their own personal criteria, if/when they get around to it

02:31:53 mircea_popescu: maybe we'll hold a yearly vote at the conference to add more to the l1 list

02:32:09 asciilifeform: complicated, to say 'book is dead.' books of horoscopes and dream divinations still printed by the zillion, 'soviet encyclopaedia of physics' - not.

02:32:34 TomServo: Ah, so even being in wot I still need to ask for voice?

02:32:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, well, if it were unequivocally clear, like, mastodon is dead, it would be easy

02:32:47 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot TomServo

02:32:47 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TomServo!sewandsew@light1.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TomServo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TomServo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TomServo | Rated since: never

02:33:10 mircea_popescu: once the Level 2: reads > 0 you can pm assbot !up and it'll voice you

02:35:13 asciilifeform: is there a vast legion of spammers, crying to get on the list?

02:35:22 BingoBoingo: TomServo: I'm a forgetful person, what sort of stuff do you do?

02:35:34 TestingUnoDosTre: if you sex slave yourself for bitcoin

02:35:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prolly not yet.

02:35:49 asciilifeform: other than mr. whizz

02:35:52 TestingUnoDosTre: just make sure it's from a person on the Wot, then they'll give you a rate

02:36:46 TomServo: BingoBoingo: I'm a lowly network engineer, looking for my niche.

02:37:03 BingoBoingo: Ah

02:37:12 asciilifeform: TomServo: what made you take an interest in this channel ?

02:37:27 BingoBoingo: !up TomServo

02:37:27 assbot: Voice for TomServo extended to 30 minutes.

02:37:53 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlSYRqoCYAA9PpG.jpg

02:39:04 TomServo: asciilifeform: I've actually been here quite a while (2+ years I'd guess). Hard for me find conversation as stimulating as what happens here.

02:39:05 mircea_popescu: (yes, that'd donald rumsfeld)

02:39:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol!

02:39:42 asciilifeform: next news: 'rumsfeld fined, estate auctioned, for inaccurate tax filings'

02:39:45 mircea_popescu: tis true, he's been here forever. aite.

02:39:56 mircea_popescu: ;;rate TomServo 1 New blood.

02:39:57 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TomServo has been recorded.

02:40:17 mike_c: amen donald.

02:42:40 TestingUnoDosTre: I hope they simplifiy the tax code and fuck mr rumsfeld

02:43:00 TestingUnoDosTre: just single him out in a nation of hundreds of millions

02:43:29 TomServo: mircea_popescu: cheers

02:44:50 joecool: not sure how that works if the tax accounting firm fucks it up badly, does fed go after them or the individual?

02:45:11 TestingUnoDosTre: that's a really good question

02:45:29 asciilifeform: individual. but some accountants provide a kind of 'insurance'

02:45:30 mike_c: the individual is responsible.

02:46:01 joecool: mike_c: for the amounts paid, but can't be held negligent if accountant fucks up

02:46:04 mircea_popescu: joecool pretty much, yes.

02:46:25 joecool: i'm assuming tax accountants carry insurance for this sort of thing

02:46:45 mircea_popescu: basically, as a us citizen you're better off if your accountant runs off with your money than if your accountant misfiles your taxes.

02:46:53 mircea_popescu: for the same sum

02:48:25 mike_c: what does 'held negligent' mean? you have to pay the penalties..

02:48:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+]

02:49:09 joecool: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/10/steve-harvey-20-million-tax-lien-ruined-marriage_n_4572436.html < had to look it up, someone mentioned this to me in passing a month or two ago

02:49:46 joecool: accountant pocketed his tax payments, didn't file for 7 years, then kicked the bucket, no idea about the truth of it all

02:51:05 TestingUnoDosTre: Huff post is like shit smeared all over the computer screen

02:51:25 joecool: sry couldn't find another source

02:51:32 mircea_popescu: actually a VERY similar thing happened here last year. i arrive at my accountant's office, usually a quiet place with maybe 1-2 other people present, cause the gal is nuts abour scheduling, to find it in complete turmoil, bunches of evidently panicked people.

02:52:00 mircea_popescu: turns out, an accountant handling the accounts of ~200 small businesses had been found by the tax authority to not have filed anything for months

02:52:22 mircea_popescu: so they re-allocated all teh customers to the shortlist of competent accountants all around town

02:52:28 mircea_popescu: 10 here, 15 there, etc.

02:53:24 joecool: well i mean if you actually look at the returns, the accountant is signing off to say they believe the return to be true to the best of their knowledge under penalty of perjury

02:53:56 mircea_popescu: sure

02:54:06 joecool: the individual signs off to say they are reporting their income and such to the best of their knowledge

02:54:38 mircea_popescu: the owner is still responsible tho.

02:55:28 mircea_popescu: davout didn't wanna let me sell x.eur short, i could have been rich.

02:55:31 mircea_popescu: -er/

02:55:34 joecool: for the tax liability yes, fines (not interest) though i believe would get waived

02:55:48 mircea_popescu: joecool depends really.

02:56:21 joecool: i'm in this situation from the last company i started, initial accountant gave us horrible advice for 2012 since we formed the LLC in november and turned *very* small revenue, said it would be under limit to file

02:56:48 mircea_popescu: kinda stupid, why not use the year to create a tax liability

02:56:56 joecool: hired a better firm this year, they went over it and warned us we had to file, paid the filing fees from last year, and warned us to expect a letter from the IRS asking for damages

02:57:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52394834 BTC [+]

02:58:08 joecool: there's a process to go through to appeal a fine in this sort of situation

02:58:26 joecool: current accountants will handle it

03:10:47 mircea_popescu: !up bloctoc

03:10:47 assbot: Voicing bloctoc for 30 minutes.

03:11:15 bloctoc: I don't know what that means

03:12:18 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot bloctoc

03:12:18 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bloctoc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bloctoc | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bloctoc | Rated since: Tue Oct 29 20:18:14 2013

03:12:44 BingoBoingo: bloctoc: Auth with gribble and pm assbot !up

03:13:04 bloctoc: do I get a prize or something?

03:13:47 mircea_popescu: well you can speak if you do

03:13:49 BingoBoingo: bloctoc: You get voice?

03:24:49 BingoBoingo: !up the20year1

03:24:49 assbot: Voicing the20year1 for 30 minutes.

03:25:00 the20year1: yay

03:25:15 the20year1: spent like 30m today trying to figure out how to authenticate via gpg and couldn't do it

03:25:32 BingoBoingo: It indeed takes time the first time

03:25:55 the20year1: gribble keeps giving me an error when i do the pastebin thing

03:26:22 BingoBoingo: I always just eauth and do the decrypt thing

03:26:30 mircea_popescu: ^

03:26:39 the20year1: does that work for original registration?

03:26:49 the20year1: That's what i did, and it seemed like I still needed to register

03:32:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.08299776 = 1.577 BTC [-]

03:35:46 Apocalyptic: the20year1, have you submitted the keys to GPG servers ?

03:35:53 Apocalyptic: yes you have to auth the first time

03:35:55 Apocalyptic: *reg

03:36:54 the20year1: yeah , i did

03:37:15 Apocalyptic: <the20year1> gribble keeps giving me an error when i do the pastebin thing // what's the error then ?

03:37:26 bloctoc: seems like the price of bitcoin went up quite a bit with this new voice policy

03:37:42 BingoBoingo: bloctoc: Well, it is more drama

03:38:00 BingoBoingo: Drama !up Bitcoin !up

03:38:16 Apocalyptic: I haven't said this, but I think the new policy is a good idea, ty mircea

03:38:28 mike_c: (and kakobrekla)

03:38:46 Apocalyptic: indeed, he did the hard work

03:40:18 the20year1: on home laptop, not office pc

03:40:35 bloctoc: whoever set it up thanks. Have my prize.

03:41:00 Apocalyptic: woot, dat NMC price

03:41:11 Apocalyptic: haven't seen the last pump

03:42:07 bloctoc: does that mean it's a secular thing? I've seen some NMC services.

03:42:51 bloctoc: for the record I don't know what secular means in this context.

03:45:13 mircea_popescu: bloctoc bashed :D

03:45:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00097271 = 10.6512 BTC [-]

03:45:45 mircea_popescu: kako did the hard work which is why i should be getting all the praise

03:46:02 Apocalyptic: that's how it works in business

03:46:06 mircea_popescu: indeed

03:46:08 Apocalyptic: managers get the credit

03:46:37 mike_c: plus hard work is its own reward

03:47:03 mircea_popescu: indeed.

03:51:00 mircea_popescu: nighty all.

03:55:59 Apocalyptic: btw pankkake, are you reading l'odieux connard ?

04:10:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00097271 = 21.5942 BTC [-]

04:11:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2899 @ 0.00097198 = 2.8178 BTC [-]

04:16:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06698979 = 0.134 BTC [-]

04:39:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15501 @ 0.0009699 = 15.0344 BTC [-]

04:52:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02899999 = 0.174 BTC [-] {6}

04:55:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.054 = 0.108 BTC [+]

04:57:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.053999 = 0.216 BTC [-]

05:23:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00097357 = 2.726 BTC [+]

05:26:15 BingoBoingo: .d

05:26:15 ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 252 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.7964% in 1d 11h 32m 13s

05:26:26 BingoBoingo: The Wizard lives

05:42:57 Duffer1: !up ukyo

05:42:57 assbot: Voicing ukyo for 30 minutes.

05:45:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.52565556 = 5.2566 BTC [+] {6}

05:45:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18475 @ 0.00097395 = 17.9937 BTC [+] {2}

05:46:31 BingoBoingo: !up numerisTrade

05:46:31 assbot: Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.

05:47:00 numerisTrade: thanks

05:47:06 numerisTrade: hi all, hi BingoBoingo

05:47:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.52999999 = 2.65 BTC [+] {2}

05:47:26 BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Welcome, what's up?

05:47:38 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot numerisTrade

05:47:38 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr 3 07:04:18 2014

05:47:55 numerisTrade: will authenticate in a minute

05:48:10 BingoBoingo: cool

05:48:38 BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: What sort of stuff do you do?

05:49:29 numerisTrade: gradually paving my way to bitcoin finance, currently starting with secured loans / repo transactions on small scale

05:49:56 numerisTrade: you might have a look at http://numeristrade.blogspot.com/p/products.html

05:50:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0050905 = 0.5091 BTC [+] {4}

05:51:17 numerisTrade: any feedback would be very much appreciated

05:52:27 BingoBoingo: I'm a bit tipsy, but I'll take a look at it.

05:53:51 BingoBoingo: Wait TheRock is a thing? I made an account there once hoping to dump freexrp without a colonoscopy, but... seemed sketch

05:54:58 numerisTrade: well, I don't trust them with a lot of money, but everything seemed ok

05:55:24 numerisTrade: I had some technical issues once, the support reacted quickly

05:57:35 BingoBoingo: Well I guess since the second life thing they trade has been around, they probably function. It's just like they added support for crypto currencies while neglecting any sort of outreach. Also their limits seemed kind of crap when I tried them.

06:02:09 BingoBoingo: !up jordandotdev

06:02:09 assbot: Voicing jordandotdev for 30 minutes.

06:14:16 BingoBoingo: !up Ukyo

06:14:16 assbot: Voicing Ukyo for 30 minutes.

06:19:38 BingoBoingo: !up numerisTrade

06:19:38 assbot: Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.

06:19:48 numerisTrade: thanks again

06:21:28 BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: You're welcome. Since the channel's quiet I'm trying to think about ways to give you level 2 with Assbot by trusting you that involve risk incurred on your part.

06:21:40 BingoBoingo: So you can self up

06:21:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00097158 = 8.4527 BTC [-]

06:23:30 BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: You lend right?

06:23:53 numerisTrade: trying to, yes

06:23:55 *: fluffypony stretches

06:24:08 BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Pick a baseball game happening tomorrow

06:24:18 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: borrowing when tipsy...? :-P

06:24:27 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: No.

06:24:27 numerisTrade: I don't know anything about baseball

06:24:50 numerisTrade: I know only how baseball bat looks like

06:25:21 fluffypony: numerisTrade: that makes two of us

06:25:31 fluffypony: my knowledge of baseball comes from two weeks in St. Louis

06:25:33 BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Well, since lending is about pricing risk I was going to suppose a challenge where you might price risk for trust

06:25:49 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: The best place to get baseball knowledge

06:25:51 fluffypony: where all I had hammered into me was "Cardinals good, Pujols good"

06:25:59 fluffypony: "everyone else bad"

06:26:06 BingoBoingo: No, Pujols is washed up and Hollywood nao

06:26:17 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yeah this was in early 2010

06:26:19 BingoBoingo: It's all about Yadier Molina now

06:26:50 BingoBoingo: I was In front of a classroom when Prince Albert betrayed us.

06:27:08 numerisTrade: maybe some other example?

06:27:09 BingoBoingo: A number of students were shaken the rest of the morning after I broke the news

06:27:42 BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Well I was going to suppose something along the lines of:

06:27:53 BingoBoingo: 1) You pick an event and outcome

06:28:12 BingoBoingo: 2) I pick a price for the outcome

06:28:20 BingoBoingo: 3) maybe we haggle a bit

06:28:35 BingoBoingo: 4) we agree to an unescrowed bet.

06:29:43 BingoBoingo: 5) If you win the bet you get coins and lended trust, or you lose and pay for trust for being a person of word in this matter

06:31:38 numerisTrade: ok, would you agree if we conducted this later on today? e.g. 2 p.m. GMT?

06:33:24 BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: I may not be awake then, but if I am I would still be amenable.

06:34:56 BingoBoingo: Since this is a kind of novel thing it may be best if we keep the stakes low at 0.01 BTC simply because unescrowed bets have such a poor history in BTC so far thanks to MNW

06:36:36 numerisTrade: I agree, as you might have noticed, I'm still quite small

06:37:00 numerisTrade: MNW?

06:37:02 BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: We are all small, this space is still small. I mean +m only happened Friday.

06:37:24 numerisTrade: I noticed :)

06:37:24 BingoBoingo: MNW was an episode in BTC history worth researching.

06:38:08 BingoBoingo: I'd also be open to considering sports where you might have the knowledge advantage provided you can specify a decent resolution source.

06:42:40 numerisTrade: ok, I'll prepare something. If you aren't on the channel then, I'll leave you a message, I'll be on the channel up till 21:00 GMT, or we'll meet tomorrow same time as today

06:42:59 fluffypony: MNW = Matthew N. Wright

06:43:04 fluffypony: a blight on the Bitcoin landscape

06:43:25 HeySteve: another scammer from old times?

06:43:40 fluffypony: HeySteve: not entirely

06:43:48 fluffypony: he had a bet that he lost

06:43:51 numerisTrade: fluffypony, yeah, googled him

06:43:53 fluffypony: and he didn't pay

06:43:56 joecool: Matthew N. Wright is a former Republican member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives.

06:44:05 BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: My waking hours as well as my online hours can be rather unpredictable even for myself. If you can find and event and we can agree to it before it plays I'd be amenable.

06:44:09 HeySteve: ah that's bad form, a man honours his debts

06:44:21 fluffypony: joecool: lol

06:45:12 BingoBoingo: "ah that's bad form, a man honours his debts" and "assbot removes voice from Ukyo" Fortuitous? Maybe I am just drunk and dense?

06:45:23 fluffypony: lol

06:46:40 numerisTrade: ok, thanks

06:47:19 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: What are your thoughts on this unescrowed bet as an entante that might establish a measure of trust?

06:47:29 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I like the idea

06:47:40 fluffypony: and the risk to both parties is minimal

06:48:01 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Well, what if the newcoming party is especially new?

06:48:10 numerisTrade: :)

06:48:17 fluffypony: well we're talking about establishing a baseline

06:48:32 fluffypony: and the WOT will link the new party back to you

06:48:38 fluffypony: and the amount will surely be mentioned in the rating

06:48:44 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Sure

06:48:59 fluffypony: which means the educated user won't trust way beyond that

06:49:04 fluffypony: until the baseline has moved

06:49:08 fluffypony: which happens over time

06:50:33 BingoBoingo: But on the matter of +m being a thing, isn't the person with L1 trust offering a chance at L2 trust taking a substantial risk

06:50:38 BingoBoingo: !up numerisTrade

06:50:38 assbot: Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.

06:51:01 fluffypony: it depends

06:51:12 fluffypony: if the newcomer ends up being a scammer, for instance

06:51:25 fluffypony: will those scammed come back to you and say "I trusted X because you trusted them!"

06:51:42 fluffypony: or will they, BEFORE trading/borrowing/whatevering, come to you and say "why do you trust X?"

06:52:06 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I mean people can /ignore, but if the person who socially engineers trust for the purpose of spamming gets to self up, the only recourse is for the L1 to remove their trust or themselves be dropped

06:52:13 fluffypony: it seems to me that it should be the latter, but all too often it's the former

06:52:17 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: agreed

06:52:32 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Well coming and asking is the ony way a WoT works.

06:52:33 fluffypony: or even changing their rating to negative based on their observation of it

06:52:45 HeySteve: hey fluffypony, that reminds me, would you rate me for that deal we did?

06:52:51 fluffypony: HeySteve: sure

06:53:03 HeySteve: thanks you trusted me for about $500, I will return the favour

06:53:28 fluffypony: ;;rate HeySteve 2 ~$500 ZAR interbank (EFT) transfer for my BTC/LTC, smooth like pineapple juice

06:53:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00097414 = 7.1599 BTC [+] {2}

06:53:29 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user HeySteve has been recorded.

06:53:42 HeySteve: heh pineapple juice

06:54:09 BingoBoingo: ;;rate numerisTrade 1 Trust offered on credit

06:54:10 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user numerisTrade has been recorded.

06:54:33 numerisTrade: thank you!

06:54:43 numerisTrade: you are very generous

06:55:36 BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Well I plan to remove/expire this loaned trust on Thursday unless we can find something to risk and establish a longer term lending of trust over.

06:56:45 numerisTrade: sure

06:56:53 fluffypony: what's interesting about WoT vs. something like BTCJam's profiles is that WoT makes the long-con substantially more difficult

06:56:58 BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: For the time in the interim I offer you the ability to self up so that you can answer questions on your lending venture and establish value with others or undertake some sort of risk to honor.

06:57:09 fluffypony: on BTCJam I see a LOT of people with "reputation" loans

06:57:24 fluffypony: they lend 5-10 times, various amounts

06:57:32 fluffypony: and because they've paid back they're considered trustworthy

06:58:04 fluffypony: but there's literally no other reason to trust them than they have a couple of months of not screwing anyone over

06:58:15 BingoBoingo: Reputation loans have always been a problem.

06:58:20 *: fluffypony nods

06:58:32 numerisTrade: ;;ident

06:58:33 gribble: Nick 'numerisTrade', with hostmask 'numerisTrade!57ccf3c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.', is identified as user 'numerisTrade', with GPG key id 3B5A64169734D48F, key fingerprint 8D77A1296B71AD54AD09F2FD3B5A64169734D48F, and bitcoin address None

06:58:36 BingoBoingo: Tradefortress was a horrible social engineering problem

06:58:50 fluffypony: yeah that was a mess

06:59:00 HeySteve: WoT is a deep system, very interesting

07:00:10 BingoBoingo: HeySteve: Honestly the biggest plus of bitcoin is that it compels WoT

07:01:24 HeySteve: yeah I'd say any kind of decentralised commerce needs such a system

07:01:28 fluffypony: I wonder if guys like that hoard their stash or end up living the high life for a few months before being broke?

07:02:12 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Like MNW? In his case there is no way to know that he ever had a stash.

07:02:22 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I was thinking more like TF

07:02:47 BingoBoingo: http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/15/weev-talks-about-life-in-prison-and-his-plans-to-open-a-hedge-fund-tro-llc/

07:02:47 ozbot: Weev Talks About Life In Prison And His Plans To Open A Hedge Fund, TRO LLC | TechCrunch

07:02:57 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Still similar.

07:06:37 BingoBoingo: "Weev: One can abandon their citizenship in a tyranny for more reasonable shores. That?s about it. ?Three Felonies a Day? is a great book explaining the commonplace reality of capricious indictments."

07:07:34 BingoBoingo: "They will not indict you because you are a bad operator. They will indict you because you are there. I overturned my verdict only because I am an asshole. "

07:08:05 BingoBoingo: !up eqx

07:08:05 assbot: Voicing eqx for 30 minutes.

07:13:59 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How's the wife?

07:14:13 BingoBoingo: Tell anyone new to fuck themselves recently?

07:14:17 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: good, she's gone to gym already

07:14:21 fluffypony: hah

07:14:37 fluffypony: not since the last time someone insulted her

07:14:39 fluffypony: :-P

07:15:10 BingoBoingo: Well, this stuff has to be in the logs for future reference. I mean how old was the fraudsters when she took the pic?

07:15:55 fluffypony: how old was the fraudsters?

07:15:58 fluffypony: *blank*

07:17:07 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: You remember the title better than I... ;;google title

07:17:15 fluffypony: aaah I see what you mean

07:17:18 fluffypony: from a year ago

07:17:28 BingoBoingo: Yeah

07:17:32 fluffypony: although I didn't know of its existence till it was pointed out

07:17:57 BingoBoingo: Exactly.

07:18:12 BingoBoingo: Finding the important stuff takes time.

07:18:30 fluffypony: :-P

07:18:45 fluffypony: maybe mircea should email people he blogs about so that they know

07:18:49 fluffypony: or there could be an alert service

07:18:50 fluffypony: :-p

07:19:00 fluffypony: "You've been fraudsters'd!"

07:19:45 BingoBoingo: You'd be surprised how quickly Mircea found my blog once I'd opened it and it had been months since I had been a regular in -assets

07:21:03 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: It took mere hours http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/09/24/hope-you-had-a-happy-blood-day/#comment-17

07:21:47 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: maybe he has a Google alert notification for his name?

07:21:58 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: He dun google

07:22:17 fluffypony: DuckDuckGo, then

07:24:19 joecool: BingoBoingo: your site down?

07:25:15 BingoBoingo: joecool: No, just... not optimally fast

07:25:40 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: my nick / name wasn't mentioned on the post, except in the screenshot of the thread, so discovery would've been tricky

07:25:51 joecool: BingoBoingo: only been waiting like 30s for it to load

07:26:06 joecool: and counting :-\

07:26:06 BingoBoingo: joecool: That is concerning...

07:26:26 fluffypony: joecool: it loaded quickly for me?

07:26:37 BingoBoingo: It has been slow this past hour or so on the control panel, but the web side was responsive.

07:26:39 fluffypony: oh now it isn't

07:27:12 fluffypony: she's broken BingoBoingo :(

07:28:14 *: BingoBoingo fills out a support ticket and awaits bitcoin prices that can support a 1U server rack from endowment funds.

07:34:10 jurov: fluffypony: you know about rss ?

07:34:30 fluffypony: jurov: yes, but I didn't have fraudsters in my feeds a year ago

07:43:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0051 = 1.02 BTC [+]

07:44:05 BingoBoingo: Support ticket filed.

07:52:16 BingoBoingo: Incense lit.

07:52:44 BingoBoingo: May BTC appreciate enough in the next year that one of these and colo be covered by the endowment http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101836

07:53:44 BingoBoingo: Also blog seems very responsive nao that ticket was filed

07:54:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26414 @ 0.00097416 = 25.7315 BTC [+]

07:59:24 BingoBoingo: Sleep mode

08:15:01 bounce: america not democratic, say princeton boffins: https://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14

08:29:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00097418 = 22.1626 BTC [+] {2}

08:36:07 dignork: bounce: good read on US democracy, probably was menation here before: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2009/01/gentle-introduction-to-unqualified.html

08:36:18 dignork: *mentioned

09:37:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0286 = 0.1144 BTC [-]

09:39:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1300 @ 0.00016026 = 0.2083 BTC [-] {11}

09:40:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1200 @ 0.00010118 = 0.1214 BTC [-] {5}

10:39:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.0051 = 0.4641 BTC [+]

10:56:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00097153 = 30.0689 BTC [-] {2}

11:05:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.0009761 = 17.1794 BTC [+] {2}

11:35:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC

11:43:40 mircea_popescu: hey how the hell is rithm voiced! scam!

11:44:20 pankkake: John K back again

11:44:56 mircea_popescu: 4th time ?

11:46:56 mircea_popescu: okay so just in case... anyone got a current contact for weev ?

11:48:58 dub: visit him in jail with a message stowed in your anus

11:49:11 fluffypony: he's out of jail atm?

11:51:37 dub: oh, then write it on a hotdog and throw it up the hallway that was his ass

11:53:44 mircea_popescu: dub scamconviction got vacated yo

11:55:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05250221 = 0.105 BTC [-]

11:56:44 fluffypony: http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702303663604579504691512965308-lMyQjAxMTA0MDEwNTExNDUyWj

11:56:45 ozbot: Mt. Gox Files for Liquidation - WSJ.com

11:59:27 mircea_popescu: http://www.cso.com.au/article/534795/_pgp_encryption_has_had_stay-powering_does_it_meet_today_enterprise_demands_/

11:59:29 ozbot: 'PGP' encryption has had stay-powering but does it meet today's enterprise demands? - CSO | The Reso

11:59:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ :D

12:21:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 173 @ 0.00511054 = 0.8841 BTC [-] {6}

12:22:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51000242 BTC [-]

12:24:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51000148 = 1.53 BTC [-] {3}

12:35:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02862602 = 0.2863 BTC [-] {6}

12:36:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05391665 = 0.3235 BTC [+] {5}

12:36:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51 = 2.04 BTC [-]

12:48:45 pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/inside-offshore-vault-gold-trades-bitcoin/

12:49:14 pankkake: didn't even know BullionRock existed

12:50:19 mircea_popescu: pankkake earlier this small island in the channel said it won't impose regulations

12:50:31 mircea_popescu: i dunno how far i'd trust them to stick with it, but so far it's been encouraging people.

12:54:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0660001 = 0.528 BTC [-] {2}

12:56:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.066 = 1.782 BTC [-]

13:06:56 TestingUnoDosTre: Assembly is such a wise ass. Its like yah dude I know the deal, I'm in here eryday

13:07:06 TestingUnoDosTre: Assbot*

13:07:15 fluffypony: assbot is amazing!

13:07:15 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

13:19:20 pankkake: http://blog.oleganza.com/post/82878104033/bitundo-can-destroy-instant-0-confirmation-transactions

13:19:21 ozbot: Oleg Andreev - BitUndo can destroy instant 0-confirmation transactions

13:21:17 thestringpuller: $depth mpoe

13:21:19 mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['1599 @ 0.00097149', '15602 @ 0.00096589', '7100 @ 0.00095965', '9100 @ 0.00095903', '1000 @ 0.00095001']

13:21:20 mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['23988 @ 0.00097649', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '3846 @ 0.0009779', '19450 @ 0.00097963', '24900 @ 0.00098016']

13:28:46 numerisTrade: hello

13:46:13 fluffypony: numerisTrade: ¡ola!

13:46:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pgp article << what kind of dope do i need to smoke for this one to make sense ??

13:46:59 numerisTrade: yes, fluffypony?

13:47:13 fluffypony: numerisTrade: just saying hello :)

13:47:22 fluffypony: asciilifeform: managementthink

13:48:58 numerisTrade: ?ola!, fluffypony :)

13:52:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: weev article << 'TRO LLC (yes, the troll corporation), based in generating actionable financial intelligence from the computer underground. The primary strategy will be short equities' << poor sod, sits in usa, waits for nailgun.

13:53:06 nubbins`: "does PGP public-key encryption still meet today's enterprise demands, given the rise of cloud computing and mobile?"

13:53:23 nubbins`: "does encryption still make sense, now that we're looser than ever with our sensitive data?"

13:53:58 asciilifeform: meet today's enterprise demands << only ROT-13 can possibly meet demands!

13:54:49 nubbins`: too complicated, can't we just share all this stuff on the network drive?

13:58:41 nubbins`: !up davout

13:58:41 assbot: Voicing davout for 30 minutes.

13:58:45 nubbins`: !up Kushedout

13:58:45 assbot: Voicing Kushedout for 30 minutes.

13:58:49 nubbins`: !up numerisTrade

13:58:49 assbot: Voicing numerisTrade without time-limit.

13:58:54 nubbins`: !up MobGod

13:58:54 assbot: Voicing MobGod for 30 minutes.

13:58:58 nubbins`: !up dr3

13:58:58 assbot: Voicing dr3 for 30 minutes.

13:59:06 nubbins`: !up smidge

13:59:06 assbot: Voicing smidge for 30 minutes.

13:59:08 nubbins`: !up zoinky

13:59:08 assbot: Voicing zoinky for 30 minutes.

13:59:28 davout: nubbins`: wanna light some jasmine candles and talk about our feelings?

13:59:39 nubbins`: only if they're thin and green

14:00:25 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iels3GLw-zs

14:00:26 ozbot: Leonard Cohen-one of us cannot be wrong (original) - YouTube

14:00:44 zoinky: 30 minutes wooo

14:01:10 dR3: wooo

14:01:10 nubbins`: for that matter:

14:01:11 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCtyvobvrIM

14:01:11 ozbot: Lagwagon Let's Talk About Feelings (full album) - YouTube

14:01:14 dR3: merci

14:02:04 nubbins`: hmm, Voicing numerisTrade without time-limit?

14:02:08 nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot numerisTrade

14:02:08 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask numerisTrade!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl. Trust relationship from user assbot to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr 3 07:04:18 2014

14:02:17 nubbins`: ah, look at that

14:04:14 numerisTrade: I was wondering why are you voicing me. I mean, that's kind of you, but...

14:04:46 nubbins`: ...unnecessary? :D

14:04:56 nubbins`: i just upped everyone who's joined since i did ;(

14:05:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1599 @ 0.00097149 = 1.5534 BTC [-]

14:06:39 numerisTrade: :)

14:12:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.05399999 = 0.918 BTC [+] {4}

14:25:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18384 @ 0.00097133 = 17.8569 BTC [-]

14:50:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80741 @ 0.00096747 = 78.1145 BTC [-] {2}

15:06:38 TestingUnoDosTre: I'm just beginning to read the mathew n Wright forum. Anyone want to give me a summary of the ending first?

15:07:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 48 @ 0.0075 = 0.36 BTC [+]

15:13:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1950 @ 0.00013991 = 0.2728 BTC [-] {10}

15:17:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4305 @ 0.0001162 = 0.5002 BTC [-] {7}

15:19:24 jurov: ..lived happily ever after.

15:26:20 bounce: ... the butler did it

15:47:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52984286 BTC [+]

15:48:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52990032 = 1.0598 BTC [+] {2}

15:49:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00554509 = 0.2495 BTC [-]

15:50:15 TestingUnoDosTre: Thanks guys...

15:50:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00554489 = 0.1608 BTC [-]

15:50:52 Duffer1: sorry man that all was before my time, not sure what all happened

15:55:06 TomServo: He didn't pay, if I recall correctly

15:57:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC

15:57:26 TomServo: !up mjr_

15:57:26 assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.

15:57:41 mjr_: thanks?

15:57:48 *: rithm is wiggling his ass to https://soundcloud.com/gramatik/02-gramatik-torture-feat

15:57:57 rithm: did i break your chats with mursiks

16:00:05 TomServo: TestingUnoDosTre: 9 September 2012 Matthew Neal Wright (mentioned above) had been offering interested parties bets on whether the Bitcoin Savings and Trust will fail or not. Numerous people took the bet, MNW failed to pay out when the collapse of that Ponzi scheme became fact. Consequently scammertagged in the forum.

16:00:25 TomServo: http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/ was the source for that

16:00:26 ozbot: The Bitcoin Drama Timeline pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:00:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 90 @ 0.0075 = 0.675 BTC [+]

16:00:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.46002048 BTC to 8`421 shares, 41088 satoshi per share

16:02:51 TestingUnoDosTre: So he didn't pay it all out, or he did pay some?

16:03:39 TomServo: I don't believe he paid at all

16:11:40 rithm: MNW paid some people privately

16:11:48 rithm: and others not at all

16:12:14 rithm: i used to think he paid no one but I've since learned differently

16:12:22 TestingUnoDosTre: Not sure if best or worst scam in entire history of bitcoin...

16:12:28 rithm: why he still hangs around though i dunno he's juvenile

16:12:37 rithm: sortof like micon

16:12:43 rithm: foum is full of them

16:12:53 TestingUnoDosTre: Doesn't look like he has a scammer tag any more

16:13:11 rithm: does a scammer tag on the forum have nay relevance at all?

16:13:17 rithm: i mean what does it mean?

16:13:24 rithm: is theymos a scammer?

16:13:42 rithm: sorry, i mean thermos, he goes by thermos now

16:14:29 *: rithm is just curious what the actual real world consequences of a bitcointalk.org scammer tag are

16:15:42 TestingUnoDosTre: I believe they stopped using them officially

16:16:13 TestingUnoDosTre: But some obvious people are still tagged- ie nefario, pirateat40

16:16:25 rithm: yes, and now there is some half assed trust system

16:16:42 rithm: which is broken because you have no way to idetify the person you communicate with on that forum

16:17:07 rithm: unless you start gpg signing pm's and posts

16:17:41 rithm: https://coinstax.com/product-detail/6/

16:17:41 ozbot: CoinStax – 1 oz. Perth Mint Gold Bars (25 count Box)

16:17:46 rithm: but this though

16:18:17 rithm: ;;calc 33678.50/[tlast]

16:18:18 gribble: 65.3951456311

16:19:53 benkay: ;;gettrust mjr

16:19:54 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr | Rated since: never

16:20:00 benkay: ;;gettrust mjr_

16:20:00 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr_ | Rated since: never

16:20:09 benkay: mjr_: you're not in the wot!?

16:20:20 benkay: ;;rate TomServo 1 #bitcoin-assets +v

16:20:21 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TomServo has been recorded.

16:20:32 benkay: ;;gettrust phf

16:20:33 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf. Trust relationship from user benkay to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=phf | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=phf | Rated since: Thu Jan 2 22:27:02 2014

16:20:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.02987944 = 0.5378 BTC [+] {2}

16:23:58 pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot theymos

16:23:59 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user theymos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=theymos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=theymos | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:36:30 2010

16:26:14 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust numerisTrade

16:26:14 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask numerisTrade!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr 3 07:04:18 2014

16:27:26 mjr_: i am in the WoT

16:27:40 mjr_: but I think you have to look up by my name

16:27:55 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot mjr

16:27:56 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr | Rated since: never

16:28:02 BingoBoingo: !up mjr_

16:28:02 assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.

16:28:12 mjr_: ;gettrust benkay

16:28:28 mjr_: ;;gettrust benkay

16:28:29 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user mjr_ to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mjr_&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013

16:28:42 mjr_: hmmm

16:28:54 mjr_: I believe in the WoT I am Josh_Rossi or JoshRossi

16:29:34 pankkake: ;;gpg info Josh_Rossi

16:29:34 gribble: User 'Josh_Rossi', with keyid C286BB96FE9B6CD3, fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX, registered on Sat Mar 9 18:38:35 2013, last authed on Sat May 11 08:47:37 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Josh_Rossi . Currently not authenticated.

16:30:43 mjr_: yep

16:30:44 jurov: ôôident mjr_

16:30:46 mjr_: that's me

16:30:49 jurov: ;;ident mjr_

16:30:49 gribble: Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@', is not identified.

16:30:56 mjr_: hold on a sec, i will identify

16:31:01 mjr_: if i can remember how

16:31:05 mjr_: ;;help

16:31:06 gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/

16:31:49 mjr_: what is the command?

16:31:55 mjr_: ;;authenticate

16:31:55 gribble: Error: "authenticate" is not a valid command.

16:32:00 mjr_: ;;ident

16:32:01 gribble: Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@', is not identified.

16:32:14 artifexd: You can do all that in a pm channel with gribble.

16:32:18 mjr_: k thanks

16:32:25 artifexd: It would prevent flailing about in public. ;)

16:32:31 mjr_: lol

16:32:34 mjr_: what is the command again?

16:32:36 bounce: a choice of auth, eauth, bcauth

16:34:58 benkay: artifexd: you're no fun!

16:35:11 mjr_: lol, don't worry still have trouble

16:35:24 mjr_: its a pastebin, right?

16:35:31 benkay: eauth Josh_Rossi

16:35:36 benkay: <decrpyt>

16:35:40 mjr_: what is gribble expecting for the verify part

16:35:42 benkay: everify <decrypted otp>

16:35:44 mjr_: a url?

16:35:47 mjr_: ah ok

16:36:02 benkay: ;;gettrust phf

16:36:03 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf. Trust relationship from user benkay to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=phf | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=phf | Rated since: Thu Jan 2 22:27:02 2014

16:43:27 mjr_: ;;idet

16:43:29 gribble: Error: "idet" is not a valid command.

16:43:33 mjr_: ;;ident

16:43:33 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX

16:43:50 mjr_: now i'm identified, that is my WoT name

16:43:51 artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot Josh_Rossi

16:43:51 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mjr_!~Thunderbi@ CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Josh_Rossi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Josh_Rossi | Rated since: never

16:44:19 mjr_: yeah...no one ever rates me

16:44:35 davout: ;;rate mjr_ 1 nice guy

16:44:36 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

16:44:41 mjr_: thanks davout

16:44:45 davout: ;;rate Josh_Rossi 1 nice guy

16:44:47 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.

16:44:50 davout: here you go

16:44:51 mjr_: woohoo

16:44:59 artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot Josh_Rossi

16:44:59 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mjr_!~Thunderbi@ CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Josh_Rossi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Josh_Rossi | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 12:44:36 2014

16:45:05 artifexd: There ya go.

16:45:12 mjr_: awesome

16:45:21 artifexd: Now if your nick matches your wot, you can pm assbot and !up yourself.

16:45:28 mjr_: I used to have a script that would authenticate me when i sign in

16:45:34 benkay: ;;gettrust mjr

16:45:35 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr | Rated since: never

16:45:39 benkay: ;;gettrust mjr_

16:45:40 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr_ | Rated since: never

16:45:51 benkay: ;;gettrust Josh_Rossi

16:45:51 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mjr_!~Thunderbi@ CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Josh_Rossi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Josh_Rossi | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 12:44:36 2014

16:46:22 Josh_Rossi: does that make the warning go away?

16:46:28 Josh_Rossi: ;;ident

16:46:29 gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~Thunderbi@', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX

16:46:36 benkay: ;;rate Josh_Rossi 1

16:46:37 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.

16:46:48 Josh_Rossi: i'm not even sure if i still have that btc address...

16:48:19 Josh_Rossi: ;;rate davout 1

16:48:20 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.

16:48:27 Josh_Rossi: ;;rate benkay 1

16:48:28 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.

16:49:20 benkay: thanks, boss

16:49:23 mjr_: lol

16:49:39 mjr_: I have almost no standing in the WoT

16:49:51 mjr_: but I don't actually ask for stuff...so I guess its ok

16:53:43 TestingUnoDosTre: Hey i need to speak with a bitbet mod

16:53:52 jurov: ;;rate mjr_ 1 satoshi square

16:53:53 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

16:54:04 jurov: ;;rate Josh_Rossi 1 satoshi square

16:54:05 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.

16:54:59 bounce: donald rumsfeld complaining the tax code is too complex. what'd he try and do about it when he had the chance?

16:56:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53180969 BTC [+]

16:58:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 323 @ 0.14 = 45.22 BTC

17:02:03 kakobrekla: hmmm

17:02:21 TestingUnoDosTre: I just got robbed on a bet close to the timeline

17:02:33 kakobrekla: this aint right.

17:04:39 TestingUnoDosTre: I had a bet submitted with 1 confirmation before event occured, and they're trying to refund me

17:05:43 kakobrekla: who?

17:06:13 TestingUnoDosTre: What do you mean who?

17:06:36 benkay: ;;rate phf 2 lisper

17:06:37 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user phf has been recorded.

17:06:43 pankkake: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/447344144315211776/photo/1

17:06:59 kakobrekla: wtf is with the log.

17:07:39 TestingUnoDosTre: What's wrong

17:08:12 kakobrekla: i dont know seems fine no

17:08:13 kakobrekla: w

17:08:17 kakobrekla: its prolly me.

17:10:45 TestingUnoDosTre: Alright kako- do you know people in charge or bitbet?

17:11:18 mjr_: does that work?

17:11:19 kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre i might

17:11:39 mjr_: what happened to the options on mpex?

17:11:53 kakobrekla: you got a few months of lag?

17:12:00 Duffer1: hehe

17:12:03 TestingUnoDosTre: I submitted a bet that had 1 confirmation prior to bitstamp going to 525and they're trying to refund

17:12:21 TestingUnoDosTre: Price still coulda tanked

17:12:44 Duffer1: you're getting a refund?

17:12:51 kakobrekla: is the timestamp of your bet on bitbet after the event or before?

17:13:20 TestingUnoDosTre: I can double check, but I'm pretty sure before

17:13:35 kakobrekla: well check then

17:14:26 TestingUnoDosTre: Double check

17:23:52 BingoBoingo: .d

17:23:53 ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 177 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.1257% in 1d 1h 34m 48s

17:24:20 TestingUnoDosTre: Yes. Crossed over at 23:29. Bet time on bitbet 23:20

17:24:51 TestingUnoDosTre: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg2zig1-minzczsg2014-04-15zeg2014-04-16ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv

17:25:04 kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu complaint ^^

17:25:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:25:09 kakobrekla: fixd

17:27:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC

17:31:56 TestingUnoDosTre: They're gonna pay everybody though. Says resolved!

17:32:41 bitcoinpete: benkay: "aristocracy" works like as well as ever. Also, very much enjoyed your recourse piece :D

17:33:29 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/ex-post-toronto-bitcoin-expo/

17:33:30 ozbot: Ex-Post: Toronto Bitcoin Expo | When Bitcoin Met Pete

17:34:54 kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre was it paid already?

17:35:10 kakobrekla: oh and btw, since im the first, greetings from Romania.

17:37:27 TestingUnoDosTre: They just paid it...

17:37:44 TestingUnoDosTre: Like literally just after I told you

17:38:30 kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre, wait for mp to return

17:38:46 kakobrekla: ;;seen mircea_popescu

17:38:46 gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 48 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> i dunno how far i'd trust them to stick with it, but so far it's been encouraging people.

17:39:02 TestingUnoDosTre: My apologies... gotta settle down a little

17:39:16 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: so when are they launching their decentralised iOS exchange?

17:39:17 fluffypony: :-P

17:39:28 TestingUnoDosTre: Do they have an email, or how do I contact?

17:40:08 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: lol it's sitll in "pre-alpha"

17:40:15 bitcoinpete: still*

17:40:41 fluffypony: I look forward to running it, as long as I can invest in the "company" behind it with BitShares or ProtoShares or whatever-the-fuck-shares

17:40:47 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: have fun at the conference! i hope to make it next year

17:40:48 kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre, here is a hint : http://mpex.co/

17:40:54 kakobrekla: eh

17:41:08 kakobrekla: i meant http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET

17:41:33 kakobrekla: thanks bitcoinpete, already having fun.

17:41:58 Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, you're the first that arrived ?

17:42:07 fluffypony: I should actually write a Dogecoin-denominated trading site and only allow companies that are clearly a joke

17:42:18 fluffypony: I'll call it DogecoinBourse

17:42:24 kakobrekla: Apocalyptic yes, noone will be here till tomorrow

17:42:39 TomServo: How many are supposed to attend this year?

17:42:48 kakobrekla: no clue

17:42:51 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: drink a few ursus' and eat a few mititei for us. it's a deadly combo

17:42:53 kakobrekla: at least 2

17:43:20 Apocalyptic: jurov and asciilifeform are attending i think

17:43:20 kakobrekla: heh, you want to kill my stomach ? :)

17:44:18 kakobrekla: right now im in the hotel bar, sipping a double jack.

17:44:26 TomServo: very nice.

17:45:24 kakobrekla: 20:45.05 .?? numerisTrade ( ~numeris@unaffiliated/numeristrade ) joined #bitcoin-assets

17:45:24 kakobrekla: 20:45.05 .?? sendak.freenode.net sets #bitcoin-assets mode +v numerisTrade

17:45:24 kakobrekla: 20:45.05 .?? ChanServ sets #bitcoin-assets mode -v numerisTrade

17:45:25 kakobrekla: lol.

17:45:47 kakobrekla: has this been a regular occurance?

17:47:16 TomServo: Not that I've noticed.

17:52:03 TestingUnoDosTre: Kako, you're the owner of bbet?

17:52:11 TomServo: heh

17:52:32 kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre halfassed.

17:52:43 TestingUnoDosTre: Help a brotha out. I'm making my living off your website

17:52:48 kakobrekla: :o

17:52:55 TestingUnoDosTre: Running on thin margins

17:53:03 kakobrekla: anyway, as i said, complaints to go to MP

17:53:12 kakobrekla: wait for him to return

17:55:27 TestingUnoDosTre: Complaints to the billionaire,?

17:56:55 kakobrekla: ofc.

18:00:34 thestringpuller: $depth mpoe

18:00:35 mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501', '450 @ 0.00082', '4000 @ 0.0008101', '3000 @ 0.00081']

18:00:36 mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['8459 @ 0.00096466', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '19450 @ 0.00097963']

18:02:37 bitcoinpete: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/16/mtgox_requests_liquidation/

18:03:12 bitcoinpete: the register has been reading -assets. ^borkt

18:04:46 fluffypony: lol

18:06:00 wywialm: hi all

18:06:00 fluffypony: I used to love TheRegister when it was this slightly obscure British publication that was the only way of following the BOFH saga

18:06:41 pankkake: oh I loved BOFH!

18:06:59 fluffypony: pankkake: the newer stuff got boring

18:07:06 fluffypony: but like pre-2005 BOFH is still golden

18:07:33 Naphex: evening

18:09:29 fluffypony: pankkake: most recent episode - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/21/bofh_2014_episode_3/

18:09:54 bounce: stopped reading that years ago. the old stuff was good, though.

18:10:34 bounce: bofh used to be on whatwasit networkworld? only came to el reg later

18:11:02 fluffypony: bounce: yeah, went to El Reg for its "revival"

18:11:10 TestingUnoDosTre: Why do you think they've been reading assets? Found no quotes UN artcke?

18:11:31 TestingUnoDosTre: In article. Fucking auto correct

18:11:43 BingoBoingo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/04/15/this-reader-mocked-heartbleed-by-posting-his-passwords-online-youll-never-guess-what-happened-next/

18:11:43 ozbot: This reader mocked Heartbleed, posted his passwords online. Guess what happened next.

18:12:03 wywialm: bitcoinpete, some time ago i tried to discuss your deflation artice with you, do you have a while?

18:12:33 bitcoinpete: wywialm: shoot. what's on your mind?

18:13:24 wywialm: do you believe there may be bad deflation? or good inflation?

18:13:29 bounce: that pdf waffles like the fat frenchman wrote it

18:13:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06690987 = 0.1338 BTC [+]

18:13:46 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: "hacked" by some obscure definition of hacked we weren't previously privy to

18:14:14 BingoBoingo: Sure

18:15:53 bitcoinpete: wywialm: as hamlet said: “there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."

18:16:15 TestingUnoDosTre: For the record, bitcoin is inflating at a rapidly decreasing, defined rate

18:17:09 bitcoinpete: no doubt that a lot of people will be screwed out of pensions and other lofty promises, also little doubt that faux egalitarianism will fall by the wayside

18:17:59 bitcoinpete: TestingUnoDosTre: totally. it's the first deterministically scarce asset with a decreasing inflation rate

18:18:59 bitcoinpete: it's really fiat that's collapsing unpredictably into bitcoin

18:19:50 wywialm: ok, to be precise: do you believe there are circumstances in which deflation would do unnecessary harm to the economy, its net effects being negative?

18:20:17 wywialm: in the same way we could call some forms of governments net negative on the economy

18:20:20 TestingUnoDosTre: Not with a truly fungible asset

18:21:12 bitcoinpete: wywialm: i see the nets being positive

18:21:25 wywialm: to be even more precise, by inflation i mean rising *price level*, not plain money growth

18:21:26 bitcoinpete: and the harm as being entirely necessary

18:22:06 Apocalyptic: wywialm, you're using the perverted meaning of inflation I see

18:22:17 bitcoinpete: right, the price of goods and services is decreasing despite the monetary base increasing

18:22:41 wywialm: clearly that's the message of your article, bitcoinpete. I'm asking whether it is "always and everywhere"

18:23:29 wywialm: Apocalyptic, no, it's a standard definition, contrary to late Mises and Rothbard, and avoids much confusion

18:24:09 bitcoinpete: wy

18:24:40 bitcoinpete: wywialm: history would seem to say so. we'll see whether it rhymes this time 'round

18:25:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 350 @ 0.14 = 49 BTC

18:26:21 wywialm: to be even more clear, i generally agree with you that under normal conditions of rising productivity, moderate deflation is very desirable

18:26:47 bitcoinpete: bitcoin and gold are checks on tyrannical mobs

18:27:11 mod6: (10:01) <+pankkake> oh I loved BOFH! << me too, the old ones are best imho.

18:27:26 wywialm: sure, but that's fiscal effect of both. i try to focus on monetary effects

18:28:31 bitcoinpete: wywialm: monetary effects don't exist in isolation. nothing does. and least of all in economics

18:28:53 Apocalyptic: wywialm, not really, the standard definition is the increase of the money supply, or monetary base

18:29:15 bitcoinpete: we can't say that increasing x is desirable because it correlates to increased y without considering the social and political impacts

18:29:54 benkay: bitcoinpete: "whatever is is right" to quote another poet.

18:30:23 wywialm: bitcoinpete, we try to abstract from them now. Without this tool no economic analysis would be possible

18:30:41 benkay: ;;gettrust wywialm

18:30:41 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask wywialm!~wywialm@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl. Trust relationship from user benkay to user wywialm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=wywialm | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wywialm | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 11:18:52 2014

18:31:23 benkay: good bad who cares bitcoin is here to kick the ass of anyone who wants to diddle the number of currency units around

18:31:46 kakobrekla: bad is good

18:31:56 bitcoinpete: benkay yup, pretty much. it's skill-gettin' time

18:32:50 wywialm: Apocalyptic, when did this term get 'perverted' and why would it be an argument against defining it that way?

18:33:18 wywialm: benkay :)

18:36:58 numerisTrade: bitcoinpete, would then *steadily shrinking* currency unharmful as well?

18:37:57 wywialm: good point

18:45:20 bitcoinpete: numerisTrade: i imagine that a currency whose supply is decreasing over time wouldn't make for a very good currency. an example of this would be the picassos in the world today. over time, they're lost to fires, floods, irreparable damage, etc. as such, no one defines picassos as currency just as no one sane defines bitcoin as money

18:46:32 numerisTrade: ok

18:48:12 numerisTrade: wait, bitcoin is not money only in current legal sense

18:48:31 jurov: https://lobste.rs/s/3utipo/openbsd_has_started_a_massive_strip-down_and_cleanup_of_openssl

18:48:32 TestingUnoDosTre: Gunna subconsciously call bitcoins Picasso's now every time I check my portfolio

18:48:33 ozbot: OpenBSD has started a massive strip-down and cleanup of OpenSSL | Lobsters

18:48:52 jurov: "they’re incinerating compatibility with upstream with a plasma torch" lol

18:49:56 wywialm: well, bitcoin is medium of exchange, you can play with definitions as you wish, but it won't help with understanding anything

18:50:26 bitcoinpete: numerisTrade: the irs' ruling of bitcoin as property is actually quite accurate and intelligent. bitcoin is far more like property overlooking central park than the dollars in our pockets

18:50:54 bitcoinpete: TestingUnoDosTre: might as well :D

18:51:00 numerisTrade: and bitcoins will reach a point when they will be decreasing, due to losses and so on

18:52:10 jurov: i guess eiteher they will be mined or some protocol to recover 100 years untouched outputs will be agreed upon

18:52:35 jurov: unlike picassos, here it is possible

18:53:19 wywialm: bitcoinpete, legalistically, yes, but property and land could be money in economic terms

18:54:21 bitcoinpete: wywialm: so can a barrel of oil. so can a chicken. so...

18:54:42 bitcoinpete: jurov: good point, hadn't thought of that. oh the wonders of software

18:55:14 thestringpuller: $depth mpoe

18:55:15 mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['11090 @ 0.00095019', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501', '450 @ 0.00082', '4000 @ 0.0008101']

18:55:16 mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['8459 @ 0.00096466', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '19450 @ 0.00097963']

18:55:55 wywialm: so we could analyse economic impact of bitcoin being money, either now or some time later

18:56:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0668 = 0.1336 BTC [-]

18:56:42 Apocalyptic: some protocol to recover 100 years untouched outputs will be agreed upon // unlikely

18:56:48 Apocalyptic: and I hope it doesn't happen

18:56:52 TestingUnoDosTre: Agreed

18:56:59 TestingUnoDosTre: Double agree

18:57:04 jurov: Apocalyptic: why not?

18:57:58 jurov: it would be just a simple rule that miner can take 5 million blocks old unspent output(s).

18:58:44 pankkake: it's a slippery slope

18:58:58 jurov: and there will be muich bigger changes necessary much sooner than 100 years, you really think SHA-256 will resist so long?

19:00:04 TestingUnoDosTre: There will be, an adequate replacement in 100 years

19:00:38 TestingUnoDosTre: And its not like bitcoin owners won't be able to transfer value to said systems

19:00:55 TestingUnoDosTre: A la shitcoins, but better

19:01:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

19:01:36 jurov: In fact I think having shorter delay, like 5 years would force criminals to spend, benefitting everyone

19:01:55 Apocalyptic: ... what nonsense is this

19:02:15 Apocalyptic: jurov, really the criminal argument coming from you ?

19:02:22 pankkake: bitcoin could work with md4. the goal is to brute force it, so it doesn't matter how broken it is

19:02:47 jurov: what's so shocking?

19:02:52 asciilifeform: ;;google satcoin

19:02:53 gribble: SAT solving - An alternative to brute force bitcoin mining: http://jheusser.github.io/2013/02/03/satcoin.html; [ANN] Saturncoin [SAT] - One of the most fast and secure coins ...: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441760.0; jheusser/satcoin · GitHub: https://github.com/jheusser/satcoin

19:02:53 Apocalyptic: SHA-256 will resist so long? // even if a full 1 block colision is found, it won't affect mining

19:03:11 wywialm: jurov, do you believe spending of criminals will benefit the economy?:)

19:03:30 asciilifeform: nah, only the money of saints benefits economy

19:03:31 asciilifeform: lol

19:03:57 Apocalyptic: must be

19:04:35 wywialm: i happen to agree with you, especially considering bitcoin deflation argument, but if so, wouldn't e.g. printed-money-spending benefit economy as well in some cases?

19:05:09 jurov: i think it's more about stability of money supply

19:05:49 jurov: can you imagine someone hoarding and after 10 years throwing in few millions btc

19:05:53 wywialm: so, withholding money from circulation might have similar effects (and we believe them to be negative) as coin loss?

19:06:11 wywialm: (under certain conditions, not always, etc. of course)

19:06:19 pankkake: that person can hoard by moving the coins for free

19:06:31 pankkake: though miners would then be incentivized to REFUSE transactions

19:06:38 jurov: pankkake: but then everyon knows they are not lost

19:06:47 Apocalyptic: who cares

19:06:54 jurov: currently everyone can only guess

19:06:55 pankkake: no, you're not spending that output, because I want to grab it!

19:07:48 jurov: pankkake: market will solve that nicely. miners will take the txfee now instead of waiting for expiration

19:07:54 benkay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBHjx4dYxjA

19:07:54 ozbot: Computer simulations teaching themselves to walk - Bizarre - YouTube

19:09:06 asciilifeform: better:

19:09:07 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBgG_VSP7f8

19:09:08 ozbot: Karl Sims - Evolved Virtual Creatures, Evolution Simulation, 1994 - YouTube

19:12:25 wywialm: bitcoinpete, let's follow jurov and imagine that somehow demand for money/bitcoin sharply increases. Would it be harmful to general trade conditions? That is, would it generate a recession? If not, why?

19:13:09 wywialm: probably, let's leave bitcoin for now, as it's not money as a unit of account for majority of bitcoinholders

19:13:20 wywialm: let's focus just on abstract 'money'

19:13:55 jurov: what is meant by "demand for bitcoin increases"?

19:14:38 wywialm: demand for money, no bitcoin :) flight from assets to cash.

19:14:55 wywialm: e.g. major 'risk-off'

19:15:13 wywialm: hoarding

19:15:15 wywialm: etc.

19:15:17 jurov: popping of reality/stock bubble as usual?

19:15:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26946 @ 0.00095914 = 25.845 BTC [-]

19:16:28 wywialm: not necessarily - after such 'pop' there are usually calls that there was a bubble, but not every falling asset was a bubble previously

19:16:42 benkay: wywialm: it's money as a unit account for the bitcoin holders that matter.

19:16:49 benkay: note that everything on mpex is btc-denominated.

19:17:08 benkay: one can even buy hosting denominated in btc

19:17:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7167 @ 0.00096466 = 6.9137 BTC [+]

19:18:06 thestringpuller: $epth

19:18:11 thestringpuller: $depth mpoe

19:18:12 mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['15174 @ 0.00095914', '75 @ 0.00095266', '11090 @ 0.00095019', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501']

19:18:13 mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['1292 @ 0.00096466', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '19450 @ 0.00097963']

19:18:44 wywialm: sure, but i didn't want to enter this branch of discussion

19:19:00 benkay: in assets brach enters you!

19:19:08 thestringpuller: benkay: you missing shit

19:19:13 thestringpuller: get a bouncer :P

19:20:53 bitcoinpete: wywialm: from personal experience, when the price is going parabolic, there's little incentive to spend bitcoin when the good or service will be cheaper tomorrow and the need isn't dire

19:21:23 bitcoinpete: so under such conditions, the economy is filtered for value

19:22:00 wywialm: agreed, but this effect can be really harmful in a much more developed economy, with credit, net of contracts, many competitors on a single markets

19:23:15 TestingUnoDosTre: You just have to structure a debt contract with half a brain

19:23:34 wywialm: and then it is not only filtered for value, trade just goes down incredibly - we could go on claiming everything is fine, but then unemployed resources appear en masse

19:24:07 benkay: it will be interesting to see it play out, but nobody knows how it is actually going to play out.

19:24:34 TestingUnoDosTre: And thus we hoard

19:24:36 wywialm: it definitely will

19:24:52 benkay: wywialm: if there's no market for the stuff at the price, the price must move for the stuff to move.

19:25:06 benkay: bitcoin will bring a rigor to business unseen for centuries.

19:25:09 wywialm: TestingUnoDosTre, like what? indexing to something else?

19:25:41 benkay: wywialm: what's the root of your nick?

19:25:42 wywialm: benkay, or not

19:26:14 wywialm: that's my surname

19:26:21 TestingUnoDosTre: Or partially indexing.

19:26:24 benkay: how does one pronounce it?

19:27:09 wywialm: Vyhvial, or actually, Vyhviaw :) if you insist i could provide fonetic notation

19:27:20 wywialm: M is first letter of my name

19:27:50 wywialm: TestingUnoDosTre, but that's changing the unit of account :)

19:27:58 benkay: wywialm: what part of the world is that from?

19:28:02 wywialm: Poland

19:29:07 TestingUnoDosTre: Creditors may also want to shed some risk

19:30:02 TestingUnoDosTre: For example if they own a large amount of btc and want to protect against a big short term drop in value

19:30:52 wywialm: benkay, re: if there's no market for the stuff at the price, the price must move for the stuff to move

19:31:45 wywialm: there are exceptions to this, grouped under the tag of 'price rigidity', which has many origins and which i'll try to sum up briefly

19:33:12 wywialm: (generally, if there were no price rigidity, sharp deflation would be no problem, I believe)

19:33:50 bitcoinpete: price rigidity is just another form of tversky and khaneman's anchoring and adjusting

19:34:10 wywialm: no, not necessarily, it is beyond psychology

19:34:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 908 @ 0.00011918 = 0.1082 BTC [+] {2}

19:35:55 wywialm: first, there are menu costs and other costs of price adjustments, such as making plans and accounting

19:37:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1292 @ 0.00096466 = 1.2463 BTC [+]

19:37:44 wywialm: second, there are long term contracts negotiated in terms of monetary unit of account

19:39:25 benkay: so the world changes out from underneath you sometimes. one tries to plan and account for these things. sometimes the irresistable force is just completely irresistable.

19:40:17 wywialm: and third, most important probably, are network coordination failures. On a reasonably populated market, if the nominal demand (or trade volume) falls, the first enterpreneur to lower prices would not suffer losses due to demand inelasticity

19:40:54 wywialm: benkay, true, but this is a source of rigidity which will impact the real economy

19:41:00 bitcoinpete: wywialm: right, which all means that the losses, as well as the profits, are privatized, whereas we currently socialize large losses

19:41:42 benkay: isn't monetary diddling used solely to socialize losses?

19:41:51 wywialm: bitcoinpete, i'm not a defender of current (fiscal and monetary) arrangements

19:41:52 benkay: solely, largely, a lot of the time, whatever

19:43:14 bitcoinpete: benkay: yup. and i meant to say that bitcoin prevents this, if i wasn't clear

19:43:19 kakobrekla: ;;later tell davot rejected.

19:43:20 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:43:33 kakobrekla: ;;later tell davout rejected.

19:43:33 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:43:38 kakobrekla: eh?

19:43:55 wywialm: currently, i'd bet something between 'largely' and 'sometimes'. Have a look at EU, they are heading for deflation, despite their official inflation targets, same in Poland

19:43:55 benkay: just helping to illuminate, bitcoinpete

19:44:01 kakobrekla: fuckin lag.

19:45:09 bitcoinpete: benkay: bueno ;)

19:45:17 wywialm: why don't they flood EU with cash, when they have mandate to do it?

19:45:45 bitcoinpete: good sesh. i'm out for now

19:45:58 wywialm: cya

19:45:58 benkay: hey wywialm who actually controls how much money sloshes around the eu?

19:46:12 wywialm: ECB

19:46:32 wywialm: in that, Germany and to lesser extent, France.

19:47:41 wywialm: and the same situation is in Poland, official inflation target is 2.5%, we are ~1% and head of National Bank of Poland says he's ok with that

19:48:12 wywialm: Czech Republic is probably deflating already

19:48:29 Apocalyptic: a good thing

19:48:57 wywialm: not necessarily, as i tried to point earlier

19:50:10 benkay: well head of NBP doesn't have much say in euro monetary supply does he?

19:50:43 wywialm: in PL we are monetary independent still

19:51:18 wywialm: we have zloty (which, by coincidence, means 'golden', and last had gold component 300 years ago)

19:51:29 wywialm: not EUR

19:51:37 benkay: asciilifeform: https://github.com/pf/erc-gribble

19:51:48 benkay: ah cool

19:52:14 benkay: well so anyways euro is deflating right now?

19:52:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18491 @ 0.00096548 = 17.8527 BTC [+]

19:53:19 wywialm: inflation 0.5 %, target 2%

19:54:30 benkay: what are their lines of recourse and why aren't they using them?

19:55:10 wywialm: and it is not equally distributed throughout eurozone, south is deflating for a couple of years, -1.5% i believe

19:55:55 wywialm: they only use interest rate policy, which is veeery far from efficient

19:56:32 wywialm: and they are cowardly, i believe, as they could push interest rates lower even in their imperfect framework

19:57:51 wywialm: what they should do is to do as-neutral-as-possible QE. Think about it, if you have a bank, and demand for your notes skyrockets, you issue more, not less, right?

19:58:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06690993 = 0.2007 BTC [+] {2}

19:58:29 asciilifeform: benkay: neato

19:59:25 wywialm: btw: that reminded me about another consequence of deflation, which should be obvious: the zero lower bound of interest rates

19:59:26 benkay: oh phf you can !up yourself in pm now

19:59:31 benkay: ;;ident phf

19:59:31 gribble: Nick 'phf', with hostmask 'phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf', is identified as user 'phf', with GPG key id 5356DE4752432A9E, key fingerprint BDDE12104FE81BE7F83B698F5356DE4752432A9E, and bitcoin address 1N3iZVTNu4kco858zTpHUkfpzAWj6Uma7S

19:59:37 benkay: !up phf

19:59:37 assbot: Voicing phf without time-limit.

19:59:59 benkay: phf wrote that elisp

20:00:15 *: benkay goes back to mutating cloud boxes

20:00:35 phf: cheers

20:01:03 phf: next step is to add assbot integration

20:01:10 phf: now that i can test it ;)

20:01:30 benkay: sweet

20:11:42 wywialm: i'll be going, thanks benkay for a nice chat

20:11:59 benkay: see ya

20:38:02 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

20:38:02 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096548 BTC [+]

20:38:33 thestringpuller: $depth mpoe

20:38:34 mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['15167 @ 0.00096548', '75 @ 0.00096', '15174 @ 0.00095914', '11090 @ 0.00095019', '1000 @ 0.00095001']

20:38:35 mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['49700 @ 0.00097016', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '43200 @ 0.00097666', '18750 @ 0.00097667']

20:42:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 202 @ 0.00502054 = 1.0141 BTC [-] {9}

20:42:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50342865 = 2.5171 BTC [-] {5}

20:42:21 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

20:42:23 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 511.23, Best ask: 512.93, Bid-ask spread: 1.70000, Last trade: 512.92, 24 hour volume: 32932.41992736, 24 hour low: 494.02, 24 hour high: 548.0, 24 hour vwap: 517.82933908

20:43:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00499191 = 0.1897 BTC [-] {2}

20:44:01 thestringpuller: wow amazing

20:44:01 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:48:27 Apocalyptic: pankkake, http://www.lecontrarien.com/2014/04/16

20:49:02 Apocalyptic: "c?est l??ducation nationale ? ou ce qu?il en reste tant cette institution marque l??chec volontaire de notre soci?t? dans l?ensemble ? qui r?fl?chit doctement non pas ? am?liorer le niveau scolaire d?plorable de nos enfants mais ? changer le syst?me de notation des dict?es. Nous ne comptabiliserons plus d?sormais que les mots qui sont bien ?crits?"

20:49:05 Apocalyptic: dafuq

20:54:16 pankkake: I don't understand what he really means

20:54:27 pankkake: the whole website seems to advertise buying gold

20:56:06 Apocalyptic: I'm not sure but I read "Nous ne comptabiliserons plus d?sormais que les mots qui sont bien ?crits?" as you just have to write 10 or 20 words correctly to get the full mark

20:57:03 Apocalyptic: he may be biased but I think he's right about "Ce mouvement vers l?inculture n?est pas fran?ais mais international" and the will to make people dumb generally

20:57:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-] {2}

20:58:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00490007 = 0.3283 BTC [-] {2}

20:58:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50100001 = 1.002 BTC [+]

20:59:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-]

21:05:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05252 = 0.2101 BTC [-]

21:07:21 artifexd: ;;later tell bitcoinpete You may want to increase the left margin on your ul,ol under media="all". As it is currently, it prevents your footnote labels from showing more than a single digit.

21:07:21 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:07:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.052502 = 0.2625 BTC [-] {3}

21:08:31 pankkake: !voice peterl

21:08:37 pankkake: !up peterl

21:08:37 assbot: Voicing peterl for 30 minutes.

21:08:46 peterl: thanks

21:09:04 artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot peterl

21:09:04 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user peterl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=peterl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=peterl | Rated since: never

21:09:18 peterl: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y49gAOT06_uDM25rocO3SOEyTyLYkWnZ5UFDikDceqA/edit?usp=sharing

21:09:19 ozbot: LIF retrospective - Google Docs

21:09:35 peterl: mircea_popescu: there you go

21:10:22 pankkake: ;;rate peterl 1 member of the cult of mpex

21:10:23 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user peterl has been recorded.

21:10:51 peterl: lol, the scientology of bitcoin, right?

21:11:03 pankkake: yep

21:11:33 bounce: did git support signing of commits?

21:11:57 benkay: indeed, bounce it *does*

21:12:08 pankkake: yes, it does now. can be very useful

21:12:39 benkay: but maybe consider signing tags instead

21:12:39 pankkake: it breaks if you rewrite history though :(

21:12:56 benkay: for instance, check out https://github.com/pf/erc-gribble

21:13:02 benkay: then git tag -v beta_0

21:13:08 *: bounce was idly speculating on stuffing all law in a SCM, with public diffs. and signed commits by the head of state.

21:13:25 benkay: law, bounce ?

21:13:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06437036 = 1.6093 BTC [-] {4}

21:13:36 bounce: law, benkay .

21:13:56 pankkake: where we're going, we don't need laws

21:14:43 phf: github doesn't even bother to inform you that there's a signature on the tag, but signed tags seem like a good place to put contracts

21:14:53 phf: (it doesn't affect history either)

21:15:09 pankkake: otherwise, I know it's planned to be used by gentoo - you need to sign every packaging commit given the sensible nature of it

21:15:32 pankkake: github is for people who don't know how to use git anyway :p

21:15:48 TestingUnoDosTre: Who ran LIF?

21:15:56 thestringpuller: lol pankkake why because you can edit files and commit them from the website?

21:16:03 pankkake: also, yes

21:16:27 benkay: bounce: what kinds of laws are you writing? and for whom are they?

21:16:28 peterl: LIF was run by me

21:16:29 *: phf ducks

21:16:59 bounce: who says I am writing laws?

21:17:15 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/TorEkelandPC/status/456520800892620800

21:17:15 ozbot: Twitter / TorEkelandPC: yo, @rabite court just signed ...

21:17:27 benkay: bounce try it like i'm twelve

21:17:33 BingoBoingo: Weev is now unconditionally free

21:18:16 bounce: apparently there's a "TRO LLC IRC" somewhere

21:19:07 BingoBoingo: Really?

21:19:23 BingoBoingo: I imagine it isn't on freenode...

21:20:03 bounce: could try and dig through that timeline a bit

21:24:20 TestingUnoDosTre: What did he get booked for? Read the article and they mostly talked about trial etc

21:24:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.06690777 = 5.3526 BTC [+] {8}

21:25:07 bounce: IIRC he'd sucked up a bunch of apple device IDs from at&t's leaky activation site

21:25:44 TestingUnoDosTre: And then shorted the stock or sometning?

21:25:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00499506 = 0.6993 BTC [+] {4}

21:26:38 bounce: no, more like told'em to fix it, and they responded with the fbi instead. something like that.

21:27:32 TestingUnoDosTre: Ahhh I thought he said he was reaping some short term trades after publishing about these weaknesses

21:28:33 TestingUnoDosTre: In the article it said EFF didn't want to get near the case until appeal was possible. I had higher expectations

21:29:30 TestingUnoDosTre: Thought they might be a last bastion in th shitstorm which is the US legal sphere

21:30:45 BingoBoingo: It wasn't quite that.

21:31:08 BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Use this opportunity to return with the narrative

21:34:26 TestingUnoDosTre: This http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/15/weev-talks-about-life-in-prison-and-his-plans-to-open-a-hedge-fund-tro-llc/

21:35:44 TestingUnoDosTre: From article" I am here to shift the market cap of publicly traded companies downward by publicizing problems in their technical infrastructure. Very few people manage to do this. In fact, besides the times I’ve done so, I can only think of a handful of other incidents."

21:35:48 BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: What about the charges related to ATT

21:36:22 TestingUnoDosTre: He was freed from them, No?

21:36:24 BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Also return with information on what happened to the guy who plead out

21:36:43 BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Well, what was the exact story on what he was charged for doing

21:36:43 TestingUnoDosTre: Isn't that was said article is about?

21:39:06 Namworld: Let me make up a quote for weev: "I am Troll, c?"

21:41:00 TestingUnoDosTre: Ahhh I see. EFF did help out, after other lawyers did the footwork

21:43:20 BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Well, what was the exact act Weev was charged for

21:45:10 TestingUnoDosTre: Like the charge, or what did he do?

21:46:14 TestingUnoDosTre: He submitted a bunch of false cc-ids in attempt to reverse engineer the ID to number conversion that att used

21:47:44 TestingUnoDosTre: Charge was identify theft and conspiracy to commit yada yada yada computer fraud act

21:48:07 TestingUnoDosTre: My battery is dead though. Gots to go

22:55:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00096841 = 2.4694 BTC [+]

23:06:11 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ATC statement sent

23:06:11 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:27:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.0009671 = 22.34 BTC [-] {2}

23:43:19 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

23:43:25 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 532.93, vol: 30405.03419523 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 530.0, vol: 26368.61606 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 535.48, vol: 29414.42731683 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 525.0, vol: 132.76821455 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 530.150907, vol: 8937.38800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 523.52018, vol: 51.15564199 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 530.6112, vol: 156.56210479 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

23:43:32 BingoBoingo: ;;more

23:43:32 gribble: 532.626348898

23:43:47 mircea_popescu: who dares complain!!11

23:45:35 BingoBoingo: Eh, someone who tried to bitbet late

23:46:27 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-04-2014#627678

23:46:30 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

23:49:57 peterl: but why is it crashing?

23:52:11 mod6: what is?

23:52:16 BingoBoingo: Dollars!!!

23:52:42 peterl: the price, it is down from its high

23:53:59 peterl: !t m x.eur

23:53:59 assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00313681 / 0.00313681 / 0.00313681 (786 shares, 2.47 BTC), 30D: 0.00213452 / 0.00257686 / 0.00313681 (2268 shares, 5.84 BTC)

23:55:51 mircea_popescu: !up SatoshiJack

23:55:51 assbot: Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.

23:56:50 SatoshiJack: thanks mp -- we are very close -- should open doors for atc in the next couple of days...

23:58:15 peterl: SatoshiJack: who is we?

23:58:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

23:58:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4917 @ 0.00096548 = 4.7473 BTC [-]