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00:02:54 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1048m3cVm1rqclrto1_1280.jpg << ah, those old style heating elements. pretty much every single room in eastern europe / european russia had one of those. EXACTLY like that one.

00:03:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114074 @ 0.00027964 = 31.8997 BTC [-] {2}

00:03:54 mircea_popescu: all the way to the paint.

00:03:54 mircea_popescu: cast iron, about 2kgs per element. that one's easily 60kgs

00:04:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165526 @ 0.00027599 = 45.6835 BTC [-] {4}

00:19:50 mircea_popescu: https://media.8ch.net/btc/src/1431734890584.jpg << is this the Namworld household ?

00:27:18 asciilifeform: jurov: move to 8chan? << share the lsd ?

00:27:56 mircea_popescu: the chan of things!

00:28:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: EXACTLY like that one << my 1st adult flat in usa had one

00:28:54 asciilifeform: (19th c. house)

00:29:00 mircea_popescu: aha

00:29:14 *: asciilifeform recalls the steam heat thread

00:30:00 mircea_popescu: btw, if anyone feels like making some banners to replace https://8ch.net/static/8chan%20banner.png go right ahead.

00:31:02 *: asciilifeform still not grasped what, precisely, was the appeal of '8chan'

00:31:02 asciilifeform: (or the other similar www)

00:31:12 asciilifeform: from my perch, looks like every other heathen pit

00:31:52 mircea_popescu: it's like the appeal of boxing. either you grew up with it or it's stupid

00:32:21 mircea_popescu: copypaste how does the gpg signature thing werk btw ?

00:32:40 cazalla: what size do the banners need to be

00:32:48 copypaste: 300x100 is the banner size.

00:32:58 copypaste: GPG signatures arne't open to the public yet, just me.

00:33:33 williamdunne: Who is responsible for w.b-a.link?

00:34:02 mircea_popescu: https://8ch.net/meta/res/74759.html#74760 << lawl.

00:35:02 mircea_popescu: copypaste ah ok. any plans to open them ?

00:35:24 mircea_popescu: cazalla 728x90 for qntra, 300x100 for /btc/

00:35:41 copypaste: Yes, but not immediate plans. When the system is finalized you would be able to upload a key, have it put in the server's keyring, then paste a signed message into the box. You would put the keyID in the email field and it would sign.

00:35:57 copypaste: That's how I sign. I just haven't implemented the "everyone can put a key" thing yet.

00:36:20 mircea_popescu: you can prolly steal the assbot/gribble code, depending what you run

00:36:26 mircea_popescu: iirc gribble runs in python.

00:36:30 copypaste: PHP

00:36:55 mircea_popescu: i dun recall there being anything prewritten for that.

00:37:25 copypaste: The system also would not handle concurrency well, due to the fact that it comes up with the ID by doing ls, then finding the biggest numbered text file in _g and adding one to it.

00:37:33 copypaste: So, those two problems need to be fixed before everyone can sign.

00:37:55 williamdunne: copypaste: I've done the everyone can put a key thing before, I can help you with that if you want..

00:38:24 copypaste: Sure, there's another problem though - we have 3 servers that run PHP, so I need to sync the keyring across them, hehe.

00:38:47 copypaste: I manually entered my pubkey into all three servers, but that's not possible for everyone signing...

00:39:29 williamdunne: Oh..

00:39:33 copypaste: Yeah, sorry. :(

00:39:36 mircea_popescu: how do you handle your concurrency then ?

00:39:48 williamdunne: The way I handled this was I had a separate server running with the keys

00:39:49 copypaste: Well that only affects singing. Since I'm the only one that can sign

00:39:57 copypaste: It's not a problem.

00:40:01 williamdunne: And then requests were sent between the webservers and that server for things like signing

00:40:15 copypaste: That's a better idea. I was thinking of just doing an NFS share.

00:40:24 copypaste: With the keyring on it.

00:40:33 copypaste: Fixing the archive is more urgent right now since it has a deadline.

00:40:43 copypaste: I'll let you know when keys for everyone are available though :)

00:40:52 mircea_popescu: aha.

00:41:06 decimation: asciilifeform: I didn't really understand the point of bbs's when I was a kid either

00:41:12 mircea_popescu: ;;google NFS share

00:41:13 gribble: NFS - Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_File_System; SettingUpNFSHowTo - Community Help Wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo; HOW TO: Share Windows Folders by Using Server for NFS: http://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/324089

00:42:17 decimation: mircea_popescu: nfs is a method of exporting a filesystem over tcp

00:42:24 decimation: like cifs

00:42:28 mircea_popescu: aha.

00:43:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135950 @ 0.00028837 = 39.2039 BTC [+] {3}

00:43:22 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/HW_BEAT_THAT/status/599142779160109057 << you going BingoBoingo ? :D

00:44:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, maybe eventually.

00:45:43 copypaste: Why was your Twitter suspended, mircea_popescu?

00:45:43 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/HW_BEAT_THAT/status/599052089038274560 ajhahaha ok that was pretty good.

00:45:50 copypaste: I tried to follow you

00:46:05 mircea_popescu: copypaste i killed some guy.

00:46:07 mircea_popescu: see http://fraudsters.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/

00:47:07 copypaste: I see.

00:47:07 trinque: deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201504.txt.asc

00:48:07 deedbot-: accepted: 1

00:48:07 mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, a year later he actually is pretty well dead, as far as these things go.

00:48:07 copypaste: Yep, haven't heard of him in a while. When his buddy Andressen tried to be relevant again everyone just laughed at him until he gave on his hard fork idea.

00:48:39 mircea_popescu: i kinda miss the old derpage days. used to have a bitcoin jesus, now all we get is some obscure godfather pedo.

00:48:56 copypaste: Most of them went out of business.

00:49:00 williamdunne: Roger Ver isn't dead

00:49:14 mircea_popescu: so what's he doing, selling wet fireworks ?

00:49:57 williamdunne: You'd have to ask him, invested in some okay-ish companies

00:50:09 williamdunne: Being paid to speak at conferences and such

00:52:08 williamdunne: Don't think he's ever done much more than that though, has he? Other than a shop or summin

00:52:38 mircea_popescu: https://github.com/gratipay/gratipay.com/issues/3399 ah man, the lulzmine cave-in

00:53:38 mircea_popescu: williamdunne a lot of posturing originally, also the famous incident of using his blockchain.info credentials to spy on random people.

00:53:47 williamdunne: Mmm wasn't random, but yeah that wasn't the smartest move

00:53:59 williamdunne: He seems pretty okay to me, not met him in person but tbh I'd like to

00:54:14 copypaste: If you want real lulz, read them trying to process payments: https://github.com/gratipay/gratipay.com/issues/3415

00:55:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 295429 @ 0.00027439 = 81.0628 BTC [-] {2}

00:55:14 williamdunne: Even if not doing anything that interesting, seems nice enough

00:55:14 copypaste: Absolutely hopeless, lmao

00:55:14 cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/0t6LXe6.png muh shitty banner

00:56:14 copypaste: "

00:56:14 copypaste: I can't access the tables via psql. Are we running this on a backup?

00:56:14 copypaste: "No, not running on a backup."

00:56:14 mircea_popescu: williamdunne we dun have to like/dislike the same people yo.

00:56:14 cazalla: was gonna title it "local milfs need bitcoin news" or something

00:56:14 williamdunne: cazalla: do it

00:56:14 mircea_popescu: cazalla wait are those she-garza shots ?

00:56:14 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I know, doesn't stop it from being discussed

00:56:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30492 @ 0.00027358 = 8.342 BTC [-]

00:56:15 cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol no just ripped from some porno banner

00:56:15 mircea_popescu: isn't that too meta ?!

00:56:22 trinque: deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201504.txt.asc

00:57:22 deedbot-: accepted: 1

00:57:22 mircea_popescu: !s just did whatever

00:57:23 assbot: 3 results for 'just did whatever' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=just+did+whatever

00:57:23 cazalla: yeah prob, lemme think it over a bit more

00:57:23 *: mircea_popescu is kind-of curious who's gonna be the bitcoin warhole.

00:57:23 trinque: jurov: I dicked it up messing with it and it made a new sqlite db nobody further down the assembly line cared about

00:57:23 trinque: that'll go out at the hour

00:57:23 williamdunne: I've got a thang working on my wordpress that'll display my WoT rep, but for some reason w.b-a.link only accepts a connection every hour or so

01:02:09 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [00:01] http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1048m3cVm1rqclrto1_1280.jpg << ah, those old style heating elements. pretty much every single room in eastern europe / european russia had one of those. EXACTLY like that one. << the one in my boyhood room had a fancy metal box over it!

01:03:09 mircea_popescu: only-one-heating-element.jpg

01:04:20 BingoBoingo: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3081890/If-people-beauty-inside-models-world-syndrome-Meet-inspiring-young-woman-genetic-condition-determined-change-face-beauty.html

01:05:20 mircea_popescu: noty

01:05:20 ben_vulpes: mwell it wasn't a full armspan, more like half

01:05:41 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i just meant, apparently the whole world was long ago united by the heating element unicity

01:06:10 ben_vulpes: steam, the once-universal tech

01:06:20 ben_vulpes: i've harped on its wondrous properties before

01:07:08 trinque: oh man, downsy swimsuit pics

01:07:11 trinque: brutal

01:08:57 mircea_popescu: "That name might sound familiar to you and that is because that's the imageboard full of suicidal virgins that Zoe Quinn accused of harassing her to try and promote her game. Which was ironic because this led to people trolling a forum full of suicidal people in the name of promoting a game about dealing with depression. Even more funny is the fact that Zoe faked the whole thing for attention after a troll from the CWC

01:08:57 mircea_popescu: ki forum made a single post about her there"

01:09:04 BingoBoingo: trinque: Still better than the hamplanets who blame their genetics. i.imgur.com/dl09rDa.png

01:09:13 mircea_popescu: this has to come back to lizards and the jews doing 9/11 somehow

01:09:37 trinque: BingoBoingo: ahaha "ham planet"

01:09:48 mircea_popescu: bwahaha

01:10:16 williamdunne: If people could see that beauty is on the inside then most of the models in the world would have Down syndrome <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Oh dear jesus. Too dumb to be dicks?

01:10:38 trinque: inb4 downs sextape

01:11:35 mircea_popescu: downs sextrape

01:12:16 williamdunne: Going downs on stepdad 3

01:12:26 mircea_popescu: ahahaha ow shit lmao

01:12:38 trinque: !b 5

01:12:39 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2958KRQ.txt )

01:18:04 williamdunne: http://thethug.life/reputation/

01:19:11 mircea_popescu: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/M00t's_GamerGate_Sellout << check it out, anjiecast leads ed article on 4chan gamergate something something.

01:20:11 ben_vulpes: ;;seen princessnell

01:20:11 gribble: princessnell was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 31 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 36 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <princessnell> oh the andreas vid

01:20:11 ben_vulpes: !rated princessnell

01:20:11 assbot: You rated user princessnell on 12-Jun-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: coulda been a contender..

01:20:19 ben_vulpes: ;;rated princessnell

01:20:19 gribble: You rated user princessnell on Thu Jun 12 02:00:30 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: first princess of bitcoin.

01:20:29 ben_vulpes: ;;rate princessnell 1 coulda been a contender...

01:20:29 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

01:20:40 ben_vulpes: ah right

01:20:44 ben_vulpes: ;;eauth ben_vulpes

01:20:46 gribble: Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~benkay@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA

01:21:14 ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:37497d8d9e14489bc7b139047464ad7b6c23367f30dbd8fd4435768d

01:21:15 gribble: You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA

01:21:24 ben_vulpes: ;;rate princessnell 1 coulda been a contender...

01:21:25 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user princessnell has changed from 2 to 1.

01:26:46 williamdunne: Some redditor seems to have outsourced their insults.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DggAXSv53Qc&feature=youtu.be

01:28:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79961 @ 0.00029014 = 23.1999 BTC [+]

01:35:00 BingoBoingo: So, 11 year plan on track still. Did pushups today until I couldn't a few times and then wrapped my hands and practiced jabs on the locust tree outback (Iron pole idea did not last very long in practice)

01:36:22 williamdunne: Find a friend and beat the shit out of each other

01:36:31 williamdunne: Also, what on earth is this..

01:36:31 williamdunne: https://twitter.com/BTCarchitect/status/599338347602026496

01:38:02 mircea_popescu: the word is attention whoring.

01:38:13 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: I think you underestimate the challenge of getting my chainsmoking, heavy drinking ass into shape for that step.

01:38:20 mircea_popescu: you know, like how women name their ugly spawn "obama" or w/e

01:39:01 williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Easier than it sounds if you have an equally unhealthy friend

01:39:26 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: That kind tend to be averse to the idea of being punched though.

01:39:32 ben_vulpes: oh pete_dushenski wasn't kidding about the mpex hike

01:39:47 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I'm really just trying to work out how a bent triangle relates to bitcoin

01:40:07 williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Get em' drunk first? Maybe that goes against the point of getting healthy

01:40:10 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Of course he wasn't didn;t you read the qntra today

01:40:14 mircea_popescu: through the "author"s misplaced expectation that making such a claim will promote his production

01:41:36 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: That sounds like a great way to get sued for all of the nothing I have.

01:42:04 williamdunne: BingoBoingo: If your friends would sue you for that you need to get better friends

01:43:05 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: scoop's down! how'm i to know

01:43:11 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Sure, but you forget that while drunk it is easy to make best friends

01:43:24 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I check for scoop, I drop linkies

01:43:43 williamdunne: Assbot has temporarily taken over scoop functions

01:43:57 trinque: neh deedbot- did, and I was mostly just seeing if the feeds plugin worked

01:44:02 williamdunne: *deedbot

01:44:05 williamdunne: Ah okay

01:44:21 williamdunne: Well as said, once my pay comes in tomorrow I'll stick scoop up on a server

01:44:32 mircea_popescu: so wait is deedbot scooping now ?

01:44:55 trinque: mircea_popescu: I added fraudsters and contravex, and yeah I think it's working

01:45:01 mircea_popescu: williamdunne you can have a cpanel acct if it helps you

01:45:05 trinque: barfed out the last five of each

01:45:19 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Thanks but no thanks, compiled code

01:46:05 BingoBoingo: Wow, the cpissel rejectionism here

01:46:11 mircea_popescu: :D

01:46:29 *: mircea_popescu is kinda too lazy to set up a different server sharing scheme

01:46:54 williamdunne: BingoBoingo: I attended a college for a short while, I was recording all of my work on a cpanel server. Had about a years worth of stuff on it when it fucked up

01:47:03 trinque: imagine, nerds: there are people who don't enjoy setting up servers like it's their cherished train set

01:47:05 trinque: lol

01:47:07 BingoBoingo: Eh, cpanel's kinda the shared server standard

01:48:04 williamdunne: The biggest problem with shared servers is that so often they are ridiculously underpowered and its hard to tell before you do so

01:48:11 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3GCHCR9 << this is pretty lulzy. reads just like the glbse thing to me.

01:49:11 BingoBoingo: trinque: Then what are man and /etc/ for?

01:49:11 williamdunne: Not to mention 300 malware sites sharing your IP

01:49:11 mircea_popescu: so 4chan is a gawker subsidiary now ?

01:49:11 trinque: BingoBoingo: I "bashops" but there's no excuse for not having something whereby you can make configuration something you bundle and give a name, reuse

01:49:11 williamdunne: DigitalOcean however lets you stick up a cheap ass VPS for what, $5 a month and you can auto setup wordpress. If you can't work out how to do the initial basic step with SSH you have no business running a website

01:49:11 BingoBoingo: trinque: Sure there is, it is called a /etc/ fileset

01:49:20 trinque: yeah that sucks ass; we have way better tools for code

01:49:28 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Lesser than that.

01:49:45 mircea_popescu: well no, because gawker being broke obviously there's nowhere less to go.

01:49:50 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Halfchan is now a gawker intern subsidiary

01:49:54 ben_vulpes: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/05/wolf-richter-why-the-heck-is-the-trucking-business-slowing-down.html

01:50:54 mircea_popescu: lol ok ok

01:50:54 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes meth getting to expensive ?

01:50:54 *: ben_vulpes wouldn't know, is on an apparently decade-long hiatus from atomderping

01:51:15 mircea_popescu: [9/18/14 12:08 AM] moot: This meeting is one of the most important we've ever had, EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE HERE

01:51:18 mircea_popescu: top kek

01:56:39 mircea_popescu: ahahah moot got petrified because... cracked sent him an email ?

01:56:53 mircea_popescu: who gives an everloving fuck about cracked. i don't even answer their emails.

01:57:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79358 @ 0.00027358 = 21.7108 BTC [-]

01:57:28 mircea_popescu: they can show up in here like the sec and everyone else.

01:58:10 BingoBoingo: WTF would cracked even email about

01:59:10 mircea_popescu: i dun read them, either.

01:59:13 *: mircea_popescu off to eat

02:01:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89300 @ 0.00027089 = 24.1905 BTC [-] {3}

02:05:49 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1133634 << it's more related to folks with mania washing hands 17 times in a row

02:05:49 assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 01:47:03; trinque: imagine, nerds: there are people who don't enjoy setting up servers like it's their cherished train set

02:06:06 *: asciilifeform does not suffer from either affliction, is in fact almost terminally lazy

02:11:55 trinque: /etc is abominable suck, akin to every shitty scripting language coming up with their unique snowflake of syntax for the same things

02:12:58 trinque: makes it absolutely impossible to interrogate it for 'everything which makes reference to the hostname db.foo.baz'

02:15:52 trinque: when I say everything I mean "what are the services which will care about this change" not "what config files have this string"

02:17:04 trinque: maybe you want to reload those services after changing the db they use

02:17:27 trinque: trivial query over relational data

02:32:17 BingoBoingo: Maybe nothing material unless you are rebuilding the whole machine? DB's are just slaves with more shit in their linen

02:33:47 trinque: they're slaves which are very careful with their tasks, and which save their masters the trouble of repeating trivialities needlessly

02:34:01 trinque: as it stands my email program has to have logic about 'what if I didn't open an e-mail'

02:36:49 trinque: wouldn't it be nice to simply declare the structure of an e-mail, and know that anything acting upon anything which claims to be an e-mail is going to be of a given structure?

02:37:06 trinque: furthermore the separation of the data from any particular program allows many programs to all diddle the same data happily in concert

02:37:20 trinque: seems entirely called-for in systems programming

02:37:51 mod6: ~<+mircea_popescu> mod6 https://8ch.net/btc/index.html << might need a few reloads, but teh republican banners, they're there. << hey thanks! they look great! :]

02:38:51 williamdunne: https://media.8ch.net/btc/src/1431684583530.jpg

02:39:51 mod6: <+jurov> mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform why don't we throw out the mailing list and move to 8chan? <+asciilifeform> jurov: move to 8chan? << share the lsd ? << as much as the turdolator has been a pain for jurov, I've kinda grown fond of it. however, I'm open to discuss it a bit if we can figure out a scheme inwhich it would work. mainly, ive just never been very into bbs.

02:40:03 mats: today i bought an iphone 5s to hack on

02:40:08 mats: am excite

02:40:20 asciilifeform: i emphatically disagree with anything which allows unsigned crud from unknowns

02:40:27 asciilifeform: for purposes of therealbitcoin

02:40:30 asciilifeform: but i'm not the mod

02:40:43 mod6: yeah, im not sure how we'd block posts from people like we do with mailman

02:40:54 asciilifeform: the l2 thing is the one true filter.

02:41:01 mod6: ^

02:41:13 asciilifeform: it obsoletes all other spam filtration and membership mechanisms

02:41:44 asciilifeform: and i am also not clear on why we would want to move from a box adminned by an l1 man in good standing to some random thing shared with a million bozos

02:42:23 asciilifeform: but again i'm not therealbitcoin. if mod6 and ben_vulpes wish to move to 4chan, 8chan, 4096chan - up to them

02:42:34 asciilifeform: (though i'd really enjoy hearing some rationale as to why they did this)

02:42:37 mats: lol

02:43:24 mod6: haha, agree. and like i said `if we can figure out a scheme inwhich it would work', and that would imply that it would have to somehow work better than what currently ``works''.

02:43:57 mod6: so, basically, no. i'd like to keep our current ramshackle.

02:44:10 *: asciilifeform gives up the would-have-been-very-spiffy fanless 486 he bought, for dead. no output on any port. damnation.

02:45:05 mod6: you're not just going to re solder all the outputs?

02:45:35 asciilifeform: unless vendor lied, it's likely been cracked (in pcb) in shipping

02:45:49 mod6: ah :/

02:46:11 asciilifeform: woulda been a nifty thing - 12 inch across, square, solid steel case, 1 isa slot, no fans.

02:46:23 asciilifeform: fucking fans. been searching for a fanless 486 for years.

02:46:32 asciilifeform: (properly fanless, incl. power block)

02:47:16 mod6: hmm, i had a PB back in like 94 that was like a P1 -- had heatsink only. might have had a case fan tho.

02:47:32 asciilifeform: most 486 lacked cpu fan

02:47:37 asciilifeform: but had case and ps fans

02:48:08 asciilifeform: (and were quite large physically.)

02:48:48 mod6: back then they built that stuff to last.

02:49:12 asciilifeform: shipping, apparently, kills even it.

02:49:15 mod6: well.. the disks didn't usually fair so well, but. yeah.

02:49:19 asciilifeform: no disk in this one

02:49:25 asciilifeform: solid-state (yes, rare) on mb

02:49:30 asciilifeform: all 4mb of it

02:49:48 mod6: huh. yeah, maybe you got scammed?

02:49:54 asciilifeform: not impossible

02:50:13 asciilifeform: fella has other machines just like it for sale. and takes returns

02:50:52 mod6: ah, yea. send it back, get yourself a working relic.

02:52:01 asciilifeform: fool shipped this 'relic' in a thin cardboard box scarcely larger than machine, via usps.

02:52:05 asciilifeform: hence brick.

02:52:10 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> shipping, apparently, kills even it. << As time goes on this issue will continue to become problematic as boards become more brittle

02:52:27 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i was told by dks in no uncertain terms that lisp machine can never be mailed.

02:52:30 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> fool shipped this 'relic' in a thin cardboard box scarcely larger than machine, via usps. << What the fuck

02:52:55 mod6: oh no. yeah, it was probably thrown up and down, left and right. gotta have a solid box & styrofoam enclosures.

02:53:04 asciilifeform: (at one point, he was willing to crate'em up for a princely sum, and ship. but after several DOA he quit.)

02:53:14 BingoBoingo: I get the 486 isn't quite a rarity yet, but damn

02:53:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: -this one- is a rarity

02:53:29 asciilifeform: fanless and 12x12x2inch.

02:54:13 BingoBoingo: Ah

02:54:15 mod6: asciilifeform is gonna be like the guy in cryptonomicon who has the technology museum

02:54:27 asciilifeform: mod6: i don't collect antiques for the sake of antiques

02:54:34 asciilifeform: what i own - i use (or at least, did once use)

02:55:01 asciilifeform: (the lisp machine, will probably feature in my peine forte et dure)

02:55:06 mod6: just as a pre-lizard-hitler fabrication that still works kinda thing?

02:55:11 asciilifeform: no

02:55:14 asciilifeform: for specific purposes

02:55:38 mod6: cool

02:55:48 asciilifeform: http://dl.tufts.edu/catalog/tufts:MS004.002.006.DO01.00028

02:56:48 asciilifeform: ^ Peine Forte et Dure.

02:56:48 *: mod6 fires up lynx

02:56:48 asciilifeform: l0l

02:57:36 mod6: haha, what's on his chest? sushi rolls?

02:58:12 asciilifeform: standard weights, presumably

02:58:31 mod6: ah ha

02:58:49 mod6: ``Strong and Tough Sentence''

02:58:54 asciilifeform: peine forte et dure - was not an execution, as such

02:59:25 mod6: thought it was just like some occult dining ritual

02:59:29 asciilifeform: it was a procedure for folks who refused to plead (submit to the jurisdiction of the court. formerly, english courts could only try folks who 'agreed' to be tried)

02:59:55 mod6: ah

02:59:57 asciilifeform: sometimes, 'agreement' required some... persuasion.

03:00:05 mircea_popescu: no idea how that could un-become being the case.

03:00:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps they ran out of good weights

03:01:01 mod6: thats when they call in the MOAR.jpg cake eating chick to sit on his face.

03:02:39 mircea_popescu: lol

03:02:48 asciilifeform: lucky if only sit!

03:03:46 asciilifeform: (fans of 'forte et dure' will love neal stephenson's mega-backbreaker-yarn 'baroque cycle', where an entire chapter is devoted to it)

03:06:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 486 was, i admit, because i wanted to play a bit of games again.

03:06:22 asciilifeform: after decade+

03:07:05 asciilifeform: (and '3d studio' aha)

03:07:16 mod6: remember kings quest? that was a 486 game iirc

03:07:40 asciilifeform: mod6: i have a mega-warez-set of -all- of sierra works (incl. that series) waiting for the day that never comes.

03:07:54 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No shame in that

03:08:25 asciilifeform: (on that day, i have 1) fanless 486 2) with genuine 'sound blaster 64' 3) trinitron 4) free time.)

03:08:32 mod6: asciilifeform: ahh, cool, well, hopefully you'll get to play 'em again

03:08:39 asciilifeform: perhaps after the war.

03:08:45 mod6: there you go

03:09:19 mod6: speaking of which... is nosuchlabs.com down?

03:09:37 asciilifeform: mod6: very much

03:09:42 asciilifeform: mod6: box went awol

03:09:48 asciilifeform: so far no word from boxmeisters.

03:10:01 mod6: ah, ok. thought /maybe/ i saw that in the log.

03:10:21 mod6: was just gonna check on the phuctor stats

03:10:34 mod6: thing was cranking through the keys nicely.

03:10:37 asciilifeform: mod6: what you probably saw was me bitching at mircea_popescu (through whom i have this box)

03:10:50 asciilifeform: and it was actually in snarf-only mode when it fell down

03:11:17 mod6: ah. well it got bored maybe.

03:11:19 *: asciilifeform bbl

03:14:16 mod6: im getting closer to my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE perf full bc sync baseline being finished; currently on block 304969 -- it did oomkill today though, and didn't see it for like 8-9 hours :/

03:15:57 mod6: there will be some flat lines in the charts, but should still be able to get some sort of picture showing us the diff in network traf & other utilization metrics.

03:17:00 mod6: After this one is done, I was going to run a vanilla v0.5.3 to get a baseline from that as well. And I will do that, but did remember that it /does/ at least require the db patch to achieve full sync.

03:17:21 mircea_popescu: i dsunno, tis being looked into

03:17:25 decimation: asciilifeform: I couldn't find any of your fanless thin clients on ebay

03:17:36 decimation: ebay's selection of old electronics seems to thin daily

03:17:36 mod6: Then I can compare and contrast and work with ben on a writeup for qntra

03:22:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 335200 @ 0.00027011 = 90.5409 BTC [-] {3}

03:24:34 mircea_popescu: prety cool mod6

03:25:48 mod6: thx. :]

03:26:27 mod6: ``That's one small step for man, one giant leap for every, complaining, son of a bitch on the face of the Earth.'' << lol!

03:29:00 mod6: they have McBucks now 'eh? During february, clown-burger up here actually let you pay in ``hugs''.

03:31:20 mircea_popescu: "In 2010, Poole was reported to have raised $625,000 to create a new online enterprise, Canvas. The web site opened on January 31, 2011, and features digitally modified images uploaded by users who are required to self-identify using Facebook Connect. In January 2014, Poole announced that Canvas, and its DrawQuest feature, would be going out of business."

03:31:21 mircea_popescu: win.

03:32:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.0002717 = 5.0265 BTC [+]

03:35:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176967 @ 0.0002717 = 48.0819 BTC [+]

03:43:31 mod6: Speaking of Blazing Saddles... that movie is so damn funny. I must have watched it 20x as a kid. But what's interesting was recently I heard/read about these "Animal Trials" in Europe during the middle-ages. Makes me think of that part where they're hanging that guy AND his horse. lol

03:45:26 trinque: I'm a huge Mel Brooks fan, was pleased to see him come up on fraudsters

03:45:37 mod6: yeah same :]

03:47:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33475 @ 0.0002717 = 9.0952 BTC [+]

03:51:23 adlai: nick said...

03:51:25 adlai: I miswrote: All this is more wasteful than gold mining.

03:51:27 adlai: Ha ha! That was supposed to read "no more wasteful than gold mining."

03:51:55 adlai: ( http://unenumerated.blogspot.co.il/2008/04/bit-gold-markets.html#c2895881719135531091 )

03:54:00 Namworld: [20:19] <+mircea_popescu> https://media.8ch.net/btc/src/1431734890584.jpg << is this the Namworld household ?

03:55:00 Namworld: That's too much cats. One is enough for me.

03:55:05 Namworld: I'd probably wouldn't keep a computer open like that or let kittens in it...

04:04:09 mod6: insane dipshit madlibs is right.

04:04:34 mod6: +1 for hanbot's "Narf" - pinky & the brain ref.

04:05:44 hanbot: poit!

04:09:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 275850 @ 0.00026818 = 73.9775 BTC [-] {2}

04:15:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153550 @ 0.00027291 = 41.9053 BTC [+]

04:22:20 mod6: haha

04:32:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10786 @ 0.00026748 = 2.885 BTC [-]

05:07:42 cazalla: gee i got scammed at the nursery, sold a plant with DRM (PBR)

05:09:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 219700 @ 0.00027421 = 60.2439 BTC [+] {3}

05:09:14 mircea_popescu: take it back!

05:11:34 cazalla: too late as i've already potted it up, but at least i learned about this plant breeders rights rubbish.. guess i'll have some cutting warez in a few years time

05:11:59 cazalla: who would've thought you can have a cracked copy of a tree

05:12:29 mircea_popescu: so this entire moot-Mallory Blair Greitzer thing reads a lot like, skank fucking raid leader for jools.

05:13:08 mircea_popescu: which i think happens about 9k times a year, just, usually nobody outside of the guild forum gives a shit

05:15:23 cazalla: meh cuckchan died long before that anyway

05:19:06 mircea_popescu: anyway, i've had a decent chuckle reading the reports pushed by people scrambling to cope with my brusque, sudden, unexpected movements.

05:19:19 mircea_popescu: to quote a random derp, "for instance - military strategy"

05:25:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135228 @ 0.00026526 = 35.8706 BTC [-] {3}

05:26:49 decimation: heh "Blizzard Entertainment has banned ?a large number? of World of Warcraft accounts after finding that they were using bots, or ?third-party programs that automate gameplay? according to a company post. "

05:27:10 decimation: rpgs are full of bots! the horror!

05:27:21 mircea_popescu: lol

05:27:26 cazalla: decimation, welcome to 10 years ago

05:28:09 cazalla: i had a few extra accounts i used with wowglider to mine ore and herbs

05:28:16 decimation: apparently they banned "a large number" of accounts http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17347095985

05:29:16 cazalla: reads as the standard announcement they've been making for years now

05:29:28 decimation: cazalla: I got to think thaw wow is losing popularity

05:29:36 decimation: it would be interesting to know the actual revenue figures

05:29:53 cazalla: the sub numbers are out there, it peaked like 5 years ago

05:30:08 cazalla: i quit after wotlk but i was a day one nov 2004 player so..

05:30:39 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1133775 << no one noticed this detail !?!?!

05:30:39 assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 03:14:16; mod6: im getting closer to my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE perf full bc sync baseline being finished; currently on block 304969 -- it did oomkill today though, and didn't see it for like 8-9 hours :/

05:30:50 decimation: you gotta think that at some point the thing flips and blizzard would welcome chinese farmers

05:30:50 asciilifeform: so it -doesn't- run in constant space.

05:31:11 asciilifeform: -nor- has any detectable (through the usual automatic means, e.g. valgrind) leaks.

05:31:24 cazalla: decimation, they allow gold buying/seller for game time in recent months

05:31:51 asciilifeform: mod6: please post any data you may have collected at the moment of the oomkill

05:32:05 cazalla: they game is fucking long dead though.. it made everything fair so that all players are equal.. seriously.. why even bother playing an mmorpg then if i can't grief the fuck out of people with my rare sword and mount

05:32:06 asciilifeform: incl., if you have it, a core dump

05:32:21 cazalla: that game.. i swear i have brain damage from alcohol :\

05:32:42 asciilifeform: this goes for anyone else who got oomkill with orphanage-thermonuke specifically, on a box with ad libitum ram

05:33:29 decimation: asciilifeform: on another project I've been chasing an oomkill that happens ... when acpi is turned on

05:33:46 asciilifeform: l0lwut

05:33:53 asciilifeform: reliably?

05:34:21 decimation: asciilifeform: absolutely

05:34:45 decimation: I've still not gotten to the bottom of it, but my point is that the kernel could also be at fault

05:34:50 decimation: and/or hardware batshit

05:35:08 asciilifeform: decimation: take that machine out to the boonies and use for target practice.

05:35:33 decimation: would love to

05:37:52 decimation: asciilifeform: it's really hard to find detailed specs for all the shitty thin terms out there

05:38:12 asciilifeform: decimation: mostly low-end p1s

05:38:29 asciilifeform: of very little interest, even historical kind

05:38:42 asciilifeform: and you won't find one with isa slot.

05:39:06 asciilifeform: (before anyone asks, i fucking hate 'dosbox' emulator)

05:39:06 decimation: why do you need isa??

05:39:14 decimation: hehe yeah that makes sense

05:39:16 asciilifeform: for the sb64 of course

05:39:28 decimation: heh. I still remember my old soundblaster

05:39:36 decimation: I think i trashed it years ago

05:39:47 decimation: you can never get the timing right one emulators

05:40:13 asciilifeform: it is theoretically possible to get the sound right. but never happened, and i doubt - ever will

05:40:14 *: decimation remembers playing space quest on his 8088

05:40:27 decimation: with - cga graphics

05:40:56 decimation: I remember thinking as a kid 'why would you not always have the turbo button activated?'

05:41:19 asciilifeform: decimation: 'turbo' on my old boxes, it turned out, just disabled l2 cache. the lamps lied to us.

05:41:30 cazalla: did you have a keyboard lock on your tower? my old man tried that shit on me but some how i had the idea to open it up and remove cable

05:41:34 asciilifeform: (mine had a set of led lamps which toggled number, supposedly cpu clock, from '40' to '10')

05:41:54 asciilifeform: had keyboard lock, but misplaced key almost immediately after we got it

05:42:08 asciilifeform: had thought 'who in his right mind would lock'

05:42:30 cazalla: parents

05:42:34 asciilifeform: lol

05:44:23 decimation: as I recall it was an epson apex http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102633612

05:45:23 decimation: assbot is dead?

05:45:23 decimation: then later I got a 486DX from gateway

05:46:00 decimation: I ran slackware on it for a little while, kernel 1.2 as I recall

05:46:35 decimation: I wish I would have met a neckbeard at that time who would have forced me to learn emacs

05:58:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 278100 @ 0.00026285 = 73.0986 BTC [-] {3}

06:32:38 decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.menuetos.net/index.htm < menuetos hit 1.0 release

06:38:29 mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: please post any data you may have collected at the moment of the oomkill << so just to reiterate here, the current perf test I'm running is with the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE which oomkill'd (as it's known to do). I'll post the nmon charts, log, and vmstat log. no core file was created. However, as a reminder, the previous perf test that I ran with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE+{asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke.patch}(http://thebitcoin.foun

06:39:37 mod6: Addtionally, I 100% agree, if anyone else should test either of these and capture anything surrounding the OOMKILL either in the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE or a patched version of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, please let us know.

06:41:55 mod6: Once I have all the baseline perf metrics collected, I'll be making a posting about it and will publish the data.

06:47:11 Namworld: They turned web traffic into fireworks. "The attacks shown are based on a small subset of live flows against the Norse honeypot infrastructure, representing actual worldwide cyber attacks by bad actors."

06:47:20 Namworld: http://map.ipviking.com/

06:52:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239729 @ 0.00026243 = 62.9121 BTC [-] {4}

07:18:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213063 @ 0.00026904 = 57.3225 BTC [+] {2}

07:34:13 cazalla: well, slow west is a shitty movie let alone a western

07:47:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 261469 @ 0.00026078 = 68.1859 BTC [-] {2}

07:48:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 197731 @ 0.00025851 = 51.1154 BTC [-] {3}

08:18:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93914 @ 0.00026122 = 24.5322 BTC [+]

08:26:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159520 @ 0.00026833 = 42.804 BTC [+] {3}

09:13:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66553 @ 0.00027424 = 18.2515 BTC [+]

09:28:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157880 @ 0.00027555 = 43.5038 BTC [+] {3}

09:34:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191592 @ 0.00027668 = 53.0097 BTC [+] {2}

10:04:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212878 @ 0.00027237 = 57.9816 BTC [-] {2}

10:11:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114600 @ 0.00025614 = 29.3536 BTC [-]

10:27:00 jurov: http://imgur.com/OVvSEKA

10:33:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17222 @ 0.00026831 = 4.6208 BTC [+]

11:05:54 mircea_popescu: !up cherrry

11:05:58 mircea_popescu: !up Jrum

11:54:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51975 @ 0.00028214 = 14.6642 BTC [+]

11:58:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00028214 = 3.4985 BTC [+]

12:08:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152452 @ 0.00028084 = 42.8146 BTC [-] {2}

12:15:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71963 @ 0.00028319 = 20.3792 BTC [+]

12:26:20 mircea_popescu: !up styuio

12:26:23 mircea_popescu: !up Monetaio

12:36:45 jurov: mircea_popescu: pls http://live.coinbr.com/images/coinroll_728x90.png -> https://coinroll.com/?r=99

12:38:46 jurov: and http://live.coinbr.com/images/coinbr_hauls_728x90.png -

12:39:46 jurov: -> https://coinbr.com

12:40:46 jurov: since one double cherry truck is too few!

13:06:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00028319 = 1.0336 BTC [+]

13:08:16 mircea_popescu: !up wiz

13:09:13 mircea_popescu: over here wiz.

13:10:13 wiz: I've been reading your website recently, your blog articles are great

13:10:19 wiz: Roger Ver first told me about your exchange a few weeks ago, I've been reading your site in my spare time since then

13:10:33 mircea_popescu: cool.

13:10:41 mircea_popescu: anything in particular ?

13:10:46 wiz: and I'm listening to this video now, that's how I heard about the channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWgPpDRo9AQ

13:11:46 wiz: well, I really like the concept of "unregistered corporations"

13:11:46 mircea_popescu: wait, someone made a youtube about b-a ?

13:11:46 wiz: well he mentioned the channel several times so far in the presentation

13:12:09 mircea_popescu: pretty cool

13:13:06 wiz: it occured to me that once underground markets master the art of operatings as "unregistered corporations", they will be at a huge competitive advantage to state-registered corporations

13:13:22 wiz: and eventually, corporations will migrate to being unregistered, to remain competitive

13:14:00 wiz: i mean, not paying tax to the state, or being restricted by their regulations, etc. is a huge competitive advantage in any market, white or black

13:15:00 mircea_popescu: kinda the idea.

13:17:04 mircea_popescu: jurov you're live

13:31:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38644 @ 0.00027787 = 10.738 BTC [-] {2}

13:42:33 jurov: mircea_popescu: jolly good

13:44:02 jurov: copypaste: the banners are truncated on bottom/right :-/

13:44:27 jurov: both in ff and chrome

13:45:55 jurov: and i can§t get the coinbr one to show

13:46:36 copypaste: I see why. Your HTML output should make sure to have no page margin. The image must be right in the top left hand corner of the browser.

13:47:05 copypaste: I didn't notice it because all the current ads fit.

13:47:24 copypaste: I think that a style on the <body> tag like padding:0;margin:0 should fix it.

13:47:40 copypaste: I can't do that on my end though, has to be done on the calling website (fraudsters.com).

13:47:51 copypaste: Regarding not being able to add your own ad, only mircea_popescu can do that/knows how.

13:48:34 jurov: i know. i like to fill the image as close to the border as possible

13:49:13 jurov: just one of the things that causes seizures to my friend pro designer :)

13:49:46 copypaste: Understood. Hopefully mircea will fix that when he wakes up. :) Need to put a <body> tag around the <a> tag, with style="padding:0;margin:0"

13:49:52 copypaste: It's 10PM here so I'm headed off soon.

13:49:57 copypaste: (well, ten minutes to)

13:50:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73482 @ 0.00027774 = 20.4089 BTC [-]

13:50:56 jurov: bye!

13:50:58 jurov: coinbr is there. so only the margins

13:54:50 jurov: yes i can confirm setting body style="padding:0;margin:0;" in the iframe fixes it

14:03:43 funkenstein_: a toy I have been working on called "coin-vote"

14:04:29 funkenstein_:

14:04:56 funkenstein_: I leave a prototype here in hopes for feedback / being ripped to shreds / other

14:07:57 funkenstein_: one sat, one vote

14:11:31 funkenstein_: one coin one vote sounds cooler, but it's really a per satoshi kinda thing

14:43:48 mircea_popescu: copypaste better nao ?

14:43:52 mircea_popescu: jurov i actually saw both o' em

14:44:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32929 @ 0.00027769 = 9.1441 BTC [-] {2}

14:44:49 jurov: mircea_popescu yes, it's all OK now

14:45:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5971 @ 0.0002767 = 1.6522 BTC [-]

14:47:23 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell funkenstein_ https://media.8ch.net/btc/src/1431787597621.jpg problem ?

14:48:23 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:51:16 mircea_popescu: "Welcome to my first tutorial. My nickname's 187 or Assassin. Right now I'm touching up on my Visual C++ skills and working on a game engine."

14:53:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o btw dulap's back, magically.

15:18:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74613 @ 0.0002767 = 20.6454 BTC [-]

15:32:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210300 @ 0.00028319 = 59.5549 BTC [+]

15:37:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120755 @ 0.0002767 = 33.4129 BTC [-]

15:42:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00028319 = 1.0761 BTC [+]

15:58:17 danielpbarron: !up teek who are you?

16:28:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22411 @ 0.0002767 = 6.2011 BTC [-]

16:34:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41283 @ 0.00027191 = 11.2253 BTC [-]

16:46:19 funkenstein_: thanks for feedback.. hmm node.js causing problems fancy that

16:46:42 funkenstein_: i had hopes this would be the project that tuned me into wtf node.js was all about

16:46:50 funkenstein_: <-- perhaps better link

16:47:51 funkenstein_: one person figured out how to vote, nice :)

16:48:11 funkenstein_: meanwhile "what makes it page" by mertignetti arrives on my doorstep.. why on earth did i buy this?

16:56:36 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: either mats or i recommended it ?

16:56:45 asciilifeform: but it is a book for winblows reversers

16:58:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176286 @ 0.0002749 = 48.461 BTC [+] {3}

17:00:28 davout: asciilifeform: could you recommend a couple C books for the eager student?

17:00:39 asciilifeform: davec: kernighan&richie, 'the c programming language'

17:00:50 asciilifeform: is really the only book.

17:01:00 asciilifeform: if you must also have another,

17:01:34 asciilifeform: http://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/138815/Linden_-_Expert_C_Programming:_Deep_C_Secrets.pdf

17:02:34 asciilifeform: ^ more historical and quirks sorta thing than language per se, but i still give it to beginners

17:02:34 asciilifeform: these are the two books.

17:02:34 davout: ok, i'll have a look ty

17:02:34 asciilifeform: everything else, esp. the backbreakers with enormous print and oceans of whitespace that you will encounter at your local bookstore, is garbage

17:04:06 davout: won't the first one miss some updates of the C standard?

17:04:21 asciilifeform: davout: get the 2nd ed.

17:04:43 davout: ok

17:04:48 asciilifeform: davout: (not hard, because 1st ed. is virtually impossible to find. i actually preferred it, though, had better paper. and the differences are negligible)

17:05:27 davout: asking because this one looks seems dated from '88 -> http://www.amazon.fr/Programming-Language-Brian-W-Kernighan/dp/0131103628/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431795705&sr=8-1&keywords=the+c+programming+language

17:06:27 davout: ah, actually it *is* the second edition

17:06:27 funkenstein_: asciilifeform, thnks :)

17:06:59 *: danielpbarron adds another to the list -> http://danielpbarron.com/ascii_book_list.txt

17:07:59 *: funkenstein_ bookmarks daneilpbarron's list

17:08:29 asciilifeform: l0l

17:10:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82289 @ 0.00027122 = 22.3184 BTC [-]

17:17:24 funkenstein_: bookfinder.com hasn't changed in like a decade and still rules

17:17:31 asciilifeform: aha

17:17:42 *: asciilifeform heavy user of bookfinder

17:20:12 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 so orphanage-thermonuke has never oom-crashed in your tests ?

17:20:13 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:20:45 asciilifeform: ^ it is not expected to

17:35:06 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1133831 << my full node also died recently, many times. I had to restart it like 10 times in a day when it usually goes weeks without crashing

17:35:06 assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 05:30:39; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1133775 << no one noticed this detail !?!?!

17:35:42 danielpbarron: the node to which i'm referring runs 0.7.2 though, so might not be the same issue

17:45:49 jurov: !up Namworld

17:50:16 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: thread concerned with orphanage-thermonuke patch.

17:50:29 asciilifeform: (not to be confused with much earlier orphanage burner patch)

17:51:22 danielpbarron: i thought maybe the live network was getting spammed the other day or something; why all of a sudden my node keeps crashing?

17:57:18 trinque: danielpbarron: I noticed deedbot's btcd node crashed the other day

17:57:25 trinque: for the first time

17:59:57 danielpbarron: aha!

18:20:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57950 @ 0.00028003 = 16.2277 BTC [+]

18:37:25 mats: http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/DiogoGeraldini/aircraft-systems

18:51:03 mod6: <+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 so orphanage-thermonuke has never oom-crashed in your tests ? << nope! it was pretty exciting to see it get all the way through full sync without oomkill.

18:52:39 mod6: now, it'll be interesting to see the numbers i.e. network usage (among other utilization metrics) between full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE+{Orphanage_Thermonuke} & v0.5.3.1-RELEASE (currently running -- which also, as i was saying lastnight, already oom killed once)

18:54:57 mod6: <+danielpbarron> the node to which i'm referring runs 0.7.2 though, so might not be the same issue << as ascii said, this is apples to oranges, but I'm curious anyway; where abouts are you at in the sync process on this particular device? (what block height range? 250`000 - 290`000) ?

18:58:14 asciilifeform: trinque, danielpbarron: this is interesting enough that it oughta go in the mailinglist

18:58:50 asciilifeform: mod6: did you have a 'thermonuke' node going at the time of these events ?

18:58:57 asciilifeform: which, as i understand - did not crash ?

19:02:01 mod6: so yes, the first performance test was me running v0.5.3.1-RELEASE with Orphanage_Thermonuke patched in. Performance test conducted with `vmstat 1` & `nmon -f s3 -c1000000`. During this test the entire sync process completed without any oomkill.

19:02:55 mod6: Now, currently, I'm running a very similar test with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE (as a baseline) without your OrphanageThermonuke patch included... it did oomkill once, yesterday.

19:03:47 asciilifeform: aha

19:04:25 mod6: make sense? i'll post all the data with a posting about the findings.

19:04:52 mod6: well, actually, i'd post the orphanage-thermonuke patch test data now, but it's 113 mb of raw nmon captures.

19:05:02 mod6: if you want it, just holler.

19:05:39 asciilifeform: neato

19:05:45 asciilifeform: consider posting the charts

19:07:12 mod6: yup, will do. the charts are actully posted from the first test already (http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/), I'll certainly post the results/charts from the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE when it's complete as well.

19:07:45 mod6: we're getting closer, maybe 24 hours away; it's on block: 322683

19:10:35 asciilifeform: mod6: the most interesting chart is memory/time

19:10:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87254 @ 0.00027866 = 24.3142 BTC [-]

19:11:02 asciilifeform: (would have been best to measure only the bitcoind process)

19:11:41 mod6: yeah, i'll have to figure out how to use either nmon or another tool to capture /just/ the bitcoind process.

19:11:54 mod6: it's a work-in-progress

19:11:58 mod6: :]

19:13:05 mod6: it should be /fairly/ accurate as there isn't anything else running on this box. just the usual: sshd/syslog/screen/cron ..

19:13:31 asciilifeform: mod6: this is not the problem. the real issue is distinguishing disk-cache ram from process ram

19:14:15 mod6: ah, ok. i'll try to figure out how to capture that.

19:15:12 mod6: im throwing that raw nmon file up there for you now, incase you wanna see it.

19:15:16 mod6: just a sec.

19:16:00 mod6: ok, it's in that same directory: 'nmon_bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE_plus_OrphanageThermonukePatch.txt'

19:19:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102924 @ 0.00027866 = 28.6808 BTC [-]

19:34:59 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134015 << it's a full node, so whatever blockrange happened over the course of the last few days

19:34:59 assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 18:54:57; mod6: <+danielpbarron> the node to which i'm referring runs 0.7.2 though, so might not be the same issue << as ascii said, this is apples to oranges, but I'm curious anyway; where abouts are you at in the sync process on this particular device? (what block height range? 250`000 - 290`000) ?

19:36:31 mod6: danielpbarron: what block are you on currently?

19:37:46 danielpbarron: height=356716

19:37:56 mod6: ah ok

19:38:20 danielpbarron: and while checking numbers, my pogo is at height=352796

19:46:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25405 @ 0.00027164 = 6.901 BTC [-]

20:02:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9845 @ 0.00027164 = 2.6743 BTC [-]

20:11:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00027122 = 13.995 BTC [-]

20:40:00 davout: https://8ch.net/btc/res/33.html#142 <<< this is going well

20:41:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49891 @ 0.00027138 = 13.5394 BTC [+]

20:53:01 jurov: lmao "these advertisements are not very professionally made"

20:57:29 mod6: lol, it was hard not to comment on that

21:25:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73450 @ 0.00027058 = 19.8741 BTC [-] {2}

21:38:34 asciilifeform: http://hiqnews.megafoundation.org << bizarre, somewhat interesting, and (apparently) dead lulzatr0n.

21:45:24 asciilifeform: unrelated: http://ummr.altervista.org/before_microprocessors.htm and http://ummr.altervista.org/before_micros_2.htm << mega-pr0n of discrete logic iron

21:47:24 asciilifeform: ^ should occupy any aficionado for most of an evening

21:47:24 asciilifeform: http://ummr.altervista.org/scansTEKECL.jpg << these (or, more realistically, modern) ECL discretes would probably outperform a modern integrated miner, were they to be built into a (washing-machine-sized) one...

21:48:24 asciilifeform: (almost certainly not, i might add, per watt. plant it somewhere mains power is 'phree')

21:50:23 jurov: really? how quickly ECL logic can do, say, one SHA step?

21:52:38 asciilifeform: jurov: ecl (emitter-coupled logic) is a supposedly-obsolete way to build logical circuits (on any particular semiconductor chemistry) where a transistor is kept near switching point at all times, gaining speed at the expense of economy

21:53:00 asciilifeform: it was used in certain '80s supercomputers.

21:53:07 jurov: yes, i know. even had it at school

21:53:36 jurov: pediwiki says "300 MHz flip-flop toggle rates".. and guess it would need flipflops if the SHA computaiton is pipelined

21:53:39 asciilifeform: my symbolics lisp mach., interestingly, has a board with a good number of ecl discretes. turned out, this was the framebuffer. it was the only way to crunch ~200MHz at the time

21:54:06 asciilifeform: jurov: check out a modern catalogue (e.g., 'digikey') - you can get ecl parts going into double-digit GHz

21:54:31 asciilifeform: (assembling these into a circuit with 'weakest link' still permitting these speeds, is 'an exercise for the alert reader')

21:54:52 jurov: heh had same thought

21:55:23 asciilifeform: ecl miners probably live on the same planet as gallium arsenide, etc. miners.

21:56:03 asciilifeform: http://www.asic-world.com/digital/logic3.html << for readers

21:57:07 asciilifeform: while we're doing peculiar miners, one might also consider another lost technology, the 'integrated'... vacuum flask.

21:57:49 jurov: rly? last time someone dig out "vacuum" microelectronics, you said academic wankery

21:57:59 asciilifeform: because they needed a si fab

21:58:24 asciilifeform: the whole point, here, is to avoid the statal spittoon dragged in by the use of si microfabrication.

22:00:42 jurov: ah that. so, thinking about ECL, one basically needs to put together 2x80 identical circuits for two rouds of SHA1, and pipeline them, no?

22:01:08 asciilifeform: potentially, one could create a sequential circuit of arbitrary complexity using laser-cut metallic baffles in a long glass vacuum flask.

22:01:24 asciilifeform: on traditional principles of valve logic.

22:01:47 asciilifeform: jurov: sha2

22:02:16 asciilifeform: and when using exotic/handmade logic, you will probably take the opposite approach from a si designer - maximally 'un-unroll' the loops.

22:02:28 asciilifeform: keeping the number of parts at a minimum.

22:02:51 jurov: so you think about one SHA2 iteration feeding itself?

22:03:05 asciilifeform: aha, as on early fpga.

22:05:36 jurov: ;;calc 2000/128

22:05:37 gribble: 15.625

22:09:05 jurov: could have 15 MH/s if driven with 2GHz

22:10:03 asciilifeform: probably 'sheep's skin not worth the tanning' if tradeoff is taken to this extreme.

22:11:51 asciilifeform: http://www.junkbox.com/electronics/CompactronTubesIndex.shtml << re: mega-tubes.

22:12:51 asciilifeform: 'What GE did was combine multiple common tube types into "fat" tubes?as many as four in a single glass envelope, all heated from the same filament. The idea was to reduce the amount of power required to heat the tubes and the space they required on the circuit board, as well as the associated costs of multiple sockets. In a very crude way, GE was applying the concept of integrated circuits to tubes, and if solid-state technl

22:12:51 asciilifeform: ogy had not advanced as quickly as it did in the first half of the 1960s, the Compactron idea might have been developed further, with even more tubes in a single envelope...'

22:28:29 jurov: don't you need one cathode per every gate, roughly speaking?

22:30:07 jurov: http://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/logic_family_built_around_1j24b.html

22:42:31 *: adlai finds along the rabbit-hole walls yet another example of "jpeg-quality gif > $maxint words": http://pw2.netcom.com/~wa2ise/radios/aa5-1t.html

22:45:49 asciilifeform: jurov: if going to tubes, one ought to stop thinking in terms of gates and start considering how much computation can be carried out by one flying electron...

23:05:11 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Gold Rush! - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/16/gold-rush/

23:06:11 mircea_popescu: copypaste https://8ch.net/btc/res/113.html#146 << ppls like the gpg lol

23:40:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00027782 = 21.3921 BTC [+] {4}

23:42:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134060 << yeah, i know that place. right across the straights from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwDDswGsJ60

23:42:23 assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 21:48:24; asciilifeform: (almost certainly not, i might add, per watt. plant it somewhere mains power is 'phree')

23:44:51 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134068 << i was gonna say, what do you do about accumulated errors. alpha emission was bad enough, this seems degrees of magnitude more so

23:44:51 assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 21:54:31; asciilifeform: (assembling these into a circuit with 'weakest link' still permitting these speeds, is 'an exercise for the alert reader')

23:47:55 mircea_popescu: jurov lol at the >9000 watt thing

23:48:53 mircea_popescu: lol nice one pete!

23:49:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7011 @ 0.00027976 = 1.9614 BTC [+] {2}

23:50:48 mircea_popescu: you gotta add a zoom of the damned gerbils