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00:00:03 asciilifeform: (of actual doing, that is)

00:00:19 kakobrekla: prolly same as the mod :)

00:00:23 kakobrekla: lol.

00:00:31 kakobrekla: im terminating this conversation now

00:00:33 kakobrekla: ctrl c

00:02:35 BingoBoingo: !up cowloon

00:02:38 BingoBoingo: !up mikaeldice

00:02:43 BingoBoingo: !up Ginux

00:04:03 BingoBoingo: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2582#comic

00:04:04 assbot: Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal

00:24:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 183 @ 0.00439984 = 0.8052 BTC [+] {2}

00:27:13 BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03

00:29:20 BingoBoingo: Lulzfarm https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=696475.msg7464333;boardseen#new

00:29:20 assbot: HELP ;SOME IS STEALING MY BITCOIN;IT GOT 1 CONFIRMATION!!! 1min ago

00:36:41 Mats_cd03: http://decompiler.fit.vutbr.cz/decompilation/

00:36:42 assbot: Retargetable Decompiler

00:37:02 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/07/15/yahoo_quarterly_earnings_plunging_ad_prices_pull_down_revenue.html

00:37:02 assbot: Yahoo quarterly earnings: Plunging ad prices pull down revenue.

00:39:18 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: 'ida hexray' is the only one i've ever seen that was actually usable for anything practical.

00:39:25 Mats_cd03: mostly average overall but decompilation of asm to c is pretty good

00:40:48 asciilifeform: incidentally, very few products have a monopoly as total as that of 'ida.'

00:42:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 35 @ 0.02890175 = 1.0116 BTC [-]

00:42:38 Mats_cd03: i cant say i like working with ida

00:43:19 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: the issue isn't whether one likes it, but whether any practical substitute (other than 'objdump' and 10-100x the time/sweat) exists.

00:45:01 Mats_cd03: add it to the bucket list

00:46:18 copumpkin: asciilifeform: have you seen hopper?

00:47:02 asciilifeform: copumpkin: yes. seemed like a joke (at least in comparison)

00:47:07 copumpkin: how so?

00:47:51 asciilifeform: the decompiler appears to be mostly worthless. and the tool runs only under mac os.

00:47:52 mike_c: kakobrekla: i have heard that the das mechanical keyboards are the modern version of the m, and they have a silent version. i tried one for a few minutes once and liked it. but not ergonomic.

00:48:20 kakobrekla: they use mx switches ?

00:48:24 asciilifeform: mike_c: the recent 'model m' clones are based on lexmark's version. somewhat shoddier mechanically than original.

00:48:29 copumpkin: asciilifeform: yeah, the decompiler output seems kinda flaky and silly. The Mac OS thing doesn't seem like a big deal that makes it a "monopoly"

00:48:42 copumpkin: alternatives exist, and buying a mac and hopper can be cheaper than getting hex rays :P

00:48:53 asciilifeform: copumpkin: don't misunderstand - if there were an actual substitute, and it only ran under, whatever, ultrix, that'd count

00:48:55 mike_c: they use mechanical switches. not sure what mx means

00:48:55 copumpkin: but yeah, hex-rays is pretty good

00:48:58 asciilifeform: but there isn't an actual substitute.

00:49:05 kakobrekla: interestingly, the ergonomic model m goes for about a grand on ebay when it pops up from time to time

00:49:13 mike_c: http://www.daskeyboard.com/blog/mechanical-keyboard-guide/

00:49:14 assbot: Mechanical Keyboard Guide | Das Keyboard Blog

00:49:19 Mats_cd03: im not good with ida and i cant comment on substitutes, although i have spent a fair amount of time trying (radare, mostly)

00:49:26 copumpkin: well, from what I've seen (i just started tinkering with hopper a couple of days ago, so I dunno), the basic hopper disassembler interface/functionality isn't all that different from IDA's

00:49:27 asciilifeform: what's 'ergonomic' here ?

00:49:33 copumpkin: asciilifeform: unless you like obscure CPUs

00:50:00 asciilifeform: copumpkin: yes, i do a fair bit of non-x86.

00:50:07 copumpkin: non-ARM, non-x86?

00:50:08 mike_c: kakobrekla: yes. "Cherry MX mechanical key switches with gold contacts"

00:50:14 asciilifeform: copumpkin: yes.

00:50:18 copumpkin: ah, then yes

00:50:21 Mats_cd03: as well as a project known as vivisect, which is also python like radare

00:50:47 kakobrekla: which ones did you get? theres like 10 kinds.

00:51:04 kakobrekla: (marked by color)

00:51:26 Mats_cd03: decompiler? not to be seen. but, other RE tools are for the most part available...

00:51:35 mike_c: i tried the http://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-ultimate/ that my coworker was using.

00:51:35 assbot: Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate | Mechanical Keyboard

00:51:48 mike_c: blank keys.. so l33t

00:52:02 kakobrekla: check out also wasd keyborads

00:52:36 mike_c: i can't do non-ergonomic

00:52:43 BingoBoingo: mike_c: It's 2014 already. Why are they censoring the keyboard's clit?

00:52:44 mike_c: drives me nuts

00:52:58 asciilifeform: mike_c: what makes a keyboard 'ergonomic' in your view ?

00:53:08 mike_c: i like the split and raised ones

00:53:17 mike_c: BingoBoingo: you lost me :)

00:53:46 kakobrekla: das kbd does not have such one?

00:54:00 mike_c: i haven't seen it, which is why i don't own one.

00:54:32 kakobrekla: http://webwit.nl/input/ibm_m15/m15-5.jpg

00:55:03 BingoBoingo: mike_c: A proper keyboard (portable machine or not) ought to have a Thinkpad style clit.

00:55:07 mike_c: interesting. i've never tried the split and flat ones

00:55:30 kakobrekla: you can get those.

00:55:59 mike_c: BingoBoingo: you mean the little rubber dot in the middle? you use that thing?

00:56:09 kakobrekla: or make one http://ergodox.org

00:56:09 assbot: 500 - Internal server error.

00:56:09 mike_c: i only use those for bringing to datacenter

00:56:18 dub: <3 the clit

00:56:25 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Occasionally

00:56:32 dub: fuck trackpads

00:56:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.0028299 = 0.566 BTC [-]

00:57:02 dub: clit is useless without stinkpad scroll key tho

00:57:41 BingoBoingo: What does no one have a scroll button on their keyboards either?

00:57:45 BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03

00:57:58 mike_c: kakobrekla: wtf :) no wasd keys?

00:58:21 kakobrekla: for hardcore gamers

00:58:25 dub: lol

00:58:35 dub: extra 1mm throw is making me laggy

00:58:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 604 @ 0.0028299 = 1.7093 BTC [-]

00:58:41 kakobrekla: mhm

00:58:57 copumpkin: still not mpex?

00:59:02 copumpkin: *no

00:59:26 dub: scam tbh

01:00:10 mike_c: mpex-otc. wadda you want.

01:00:34 copumpkin: I thought it was gonna be monday

01:00:48 dub: kakobrekla: waiting for diehard cs 1.6 players to take fingers back to first knuckle now

01:00:48 mike_c: wtb: s.mpoe @ 0.0005

01:01:02 kakobrekla: lol

01:04:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 800 @ 0.0026715 = 2.1372 BTC [-] {20}

01:05:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 249 @ 0.00263257 = 0.6555 BTC [-] {4}

01:18:06 BingoBoingo: Old news becomes new news http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/07/only-a-few-days-old-openssl-fork-libressl-is-declared-unsafe-for-linux/

01:18:06 assbot: Only a few days old, OpenSSL fork LibreSSL is declared unsafe for Linux | Ars Technica

01:24:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 255 @ 0.00261288 = 0.6663 BTC [-] {6}

01:29:19 BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03

01:43:58 mircea_popescu: so whenever reddit gets inflamed about the injustice of mp, bitbet gets carpetbombed with bets.

01:44:16 mircea_popescu: maybe i should kidnap some of these kids and torture them in my basement, to fix the economy ?

01:46:20 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 but nobody uses skype anyways

01:47:44 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: SetThreadContext is non-deterministically broken from XP x64 SP0 to Server 2008 R1 x64 SP2 <<< ahahahaha

01:47:45 mircea_popescu: o gawd.

01:48:01 mircea_popescu: i keep buying the funny papers and reading this chan. then i lol here and i am all disappointed in the funny papers.

01:48:15 mircea_popescu: not to mention they're in fucking spanish.

01:48:26 nubbins`: was just about to ask if they carry Hi and Lois

01:49:23 mircea_popescu: nah.

01:49:30 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 you know you can dictate.

01:50:56 BingoBoingo: Dictation much like keyboarding is a skill.

01:52:12 mircea_popescu: "{to be honest timmy, having read your attempts to make a pump and dump coin, to also make a HYIP scam.. i feel sorry for anyone losing coin... but not so much with you."

01:53:43 BingoBoingo: Most disturbing part about that report was he had a whole BTC to lose.

01:55:33 mircea_popescu: "i downloaded this from here, and clicked on it,while my virus program was not activ.i just wanted to see"

01:55:44 mircea_popescu: impulse driven "halp i am a student i have no monyz"

01:55:52 mircea_popescu: student is becoming worse than bum.

01:56:19 BingoBoingo: The site hosting the malware in question if you make to the end of the thread atm was revealed to be a "cheat" for some coinflip gambling game.

01:56:46 mircea_popescu: yup

01:58:34 BingoBoingo: You'd think when somone creates the sort of tool he googled and instead recieved a virus for the tool's creator would instead bleed the target dry.

02:01:49 mircea_popescu: mike_c: i like the split and raised ones << i've never used one of the splitsd

02:02:50 mircea_popescu: copumpkin: I thought it was gonna be monday << so did i.

02:03:20 BingoBoingo: !up hanbot

02:03:25 mircea_popescu: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/07/only-a-few-days-old-openssl-fork-libressl-is-declared-unsafe-for-linux/ << look at that, it was the rng.

02:03:26 assbot: Only a few days old, OpenSSL fork LibreSSL is declared unsafe for Linux | Ars Technica

02:04:10 hanbot: thx BB

02:04:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, it was born knowing it would be the RNG. The problem is do the devs make shims or does Linuxen fix itself

02:04:27 BingoBoingo: hanbot: yw

02:06:31 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the comments you can see the new psyops angle, "The cruft was good! Mysterymeat Nourishes!"

02:06:54 mircea_popescu: theo's response is pretty weak too.

02:08:04 BingoBoingo: Yeah

02:08:42 BingoBoingo: The problem of taking action to fix a problem is that at some point you will have to take more action.

02:08:57 BingoBoingo: Because you now own 1+N more problems.

02:12:57 cazalla: yo i heard you like #bitcoin-assets so we put mircea_popescu in your dreams so you can #bitcoin-assets while you sleep, no homo

02:13:47 mircea_popescu: wait wut ?

02:14:13 BingoBoingo: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140715120259 << "The question now was how to integrate it. OpenBSD developers don't like huge diffs for a very good reason. After fixing the inode format and adding new flags, Ted pointed out the ancient rule "whoever touched it last now becomes the maintainer" was valid even here."

02:14:13 assbot: g2k14: Martin Pelikan on ext4, filesystems in general

02:14:58 cazalla: mircea_popescu, so i had this dream about you, in a lobby, it was eyes wide shut-esque except you wouldn't let me come upstairs where the women were but then you sent 2 down to me at the bar so i was content

02:15:14 mircea_popescu: pankkake so how much does a bernakoin go for yet ?

02:15:40 mircea_popescu: cazalla o.O

02:16:52 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/PDdkcGR.gif

02:16:57 cazalla: logs were a good read this morning

02:17:09 BingoBoingo: Eh, sometimes I have nightmares where truffles is still on BA and somehow IPO'd his hatred of reading.

02:17:19 BingoBoingo: ;;seen truffles

02:17:19 gribble: truffles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, and 29 seconds ago: <truffles> tell me when the experiment is over

02:17:23 mircea_popescu: ow god truffles.

02:17:43 hanbot: ba nightmares would make a pretty good compendium

02:18:07 mircea_popescu: did you get some ?

02:20:15 cazalla: who me? no, wasn't that sort of dream

02:20:27 mircea_popescu: no lol, hanbot

02:20:43 mircea_popescu: of course you didn't get some. you're married.

02:20:51 cazalla: tell me about it

02:21:45 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/994/btc-to-top-800-before-august/

02:21:45 assbot: BitBet - BTC to top $800 before August :: 2.7 B (24%) on Yes, 8.73 B (76%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 81`867 (100`000 to 1)

02:21:58 mircea_popescu: 3:1 huh

02:21:59 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

02:22:00 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 621.87, Best ask: 624.48, Bid-ask spread: 2.61000, Last trade: 624.48, 24 hour volume: 3502.82343466, 24 hour low: 616.09, 24 hour high: 626.25, 24 hour vwap: 622.077369513

02:22:28 mike_c: ;;calc 3500*[ticker --last]

02:22:30 gribble: 2185680

02:23:11 mircea_popescu: ;;calc [ticker --last]*[ticker --last]

02:23:12 gribble: 389975.2704

02:23:19 asciilifeform: it was the rng << snore. big fat surprise.

02:24:08 asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/PDdkcGR.gif << what's the reaction here?

02:25:38 *: danielpbarron is guessing the colored gas is ionized

02:26:16 mircea_popescu: no idea rly.

02:26:26 *: BingoBoingo is guessing 70's special effects work

02:26:27 asciilifeform: looks more like chromatography paper + dyes.

02:26:53 asciilifeform: (time-lapse film)

02:27:16 nubbins`: i was gonna say colored oil spheres colliding underwater

02:27:26 nubbins`: i guess i still am saying it

02:27:34 Rassah: benkay: this is what one calls a "strawman" argument. // actually this is what is being suggested that people do to create secure paper wallets. I am suggesting that ours is comparable. At the least because people who use that method don't check the RNGs of the systems they use, and at the most because we don't actually use an RNG chip, and use our own source of randomness.

02:28:07 benkay: nobody in this room had suggested that.

02:28:33 benkay: latinate dudebro do you even strawman?

02:30:11 Rassah: benkay: I didn't say that is what is being suggested here. That is, in fact, what is being suggested in places all over outside of here. No one has suggested anything here, other than that the method I am involved wit is worse than...

02:31:51 cazalla: "People think that Bitcoin is too expensive, and they would rather purchase Litecoins. " https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=21124.0

02:31:52 assbot: Litecoin's silver analogy

02:32:11 nubbins`: i think that a car is too expensive, i would rather purchase a sandwich

02:32:39 nubbins`: can't drive to work in a sandwich? who cares!

02:35:49 Rassah: It's not even that. The two are just arbitrary measures. It's more like, I think driving at 105kmh is too fast. I'll just drive at 65mph instead

02:37:18 nubbins`: i think repairing my broken relationship with my son is too hard. i'll just have a daughter instead

02:47:47 decimation: re: rolling dice to generate RSA keypair << this is not straightforward at all, and in general you are going to end up seeding some kind of RNG to produce your primes to test

02:52:25 benkay: Rassah: saying that doesn't make it any less of a retarded strawman argument in this context.

02:53:35 benkay: <BingoBoingo> Eh, sometimes I have nightmares where truffles is still on BA and somehow IPO'd his hatred of reading. // interestingly, truffles is a female.

02:54:59 Rassah: benkay: a lot of tings said on the topic of that Entropy device have been very retarded

02:56:02 benkay: mostly on the topic of getting entropy out of sram imho

02:58:09 danielpbarron: Rassah, you interested in selling your BTC for cash in the mail on a regular basis? I am very interested

02:58:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 138 @ 0.00420949 = 0.5809 BTC [-] {5}

03:03:01 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> i think that a car is too expensive, i would rather purchase a sandwich <

03:03:05 mthreat: Rassah et al: Would an accelerometer be a good source of entropy? "shake to randomize"

03:03:52 mircea_popescu: nubbins` omfg dude i laughed so hard at your stupid driven sandwich i actually puked a little.

03:04:00 mircea_popescu: im not even making this shit up

03:05:02 mircea_popescu: decimation he prolly means just for the entropy.

03:05:18 mircea_popescu: benkay now how would you know that.

03:05:31 Rassah: mthreat: Not as much. Since the motions will be repettitive, you will get only a small amount of variance from that. We had considered something similar, with maybe having to press a button a bunch of times and use the timing diference, but it adds an insignificant amount compared to what we get from the chip already

03:05:53 benkay: intel boss

03:05:55 mircea_popescu: mthreat no. this because the high bytes are too predictable (shake) and the low bytes too predictable (cheap accelerometer fingerprint)

03:06:09 benkay: mircea_popescu: re: truffles?

03:06:12 mircea_popescu: yes.

03:06:19 benkay: conversations.

03:06:48 asciilifeform: nitpick: anything you can 'seed' is not an rng.

03:07:02 benkay: hee hee hee i got the rng flamewards going again

03:07:51 mircea_popescu: benkay eh what, you can tell.

03:07:53 *: asciilifeform not really awake enough for a good flaemfest. but will point out that mechanical rng setups are prone to wear effects.

03:08:10 decimation: ascii sorry prng

03:08:56 mircea_popescu: anyway, that's been all for me. later all.

03:08:57 asciilifeform: decimation: why would you want to produce weaponized rsa primes from a prng ?

03:09:13 decimation: you wouldn't, if you could avoid it

03:09:29 decimation: ideally you want natural entropy

03:09:36 decimation: and rolling dice would take days

03:16:20 asciilifeform: dice << http://youtu.be/srDronvs3L4?t=53s

03:16:20 assbot: 6 45 662 28 2013 - YouTube

03:17:23 asciilifeform: ^ notice he says 'лототрон' ~= 'lottotron.' the original, in fact, 'лохотрон' - chumpatron.

03:17:39 decimation: lol

03:17:44 decimation: is that the russian powerball?

03:17:52 asciilifeform: originally soviet.

03:18:01 asciilifeform: they've used this kind of 'rng' for decades.

03:18:57 decimation: say you need at least 2 megabits to come up with a 2048 bit prime

03:19:22 decimation: you are only getting ~12 bits per 5d6

03:19:37 decimation: the chumpatron would be more efficient

03:21:20 asciilifeform: i'll take the liberty of quoting the russian 'law re: lotteries.'

03:21:21 decimation: it would be interesting in the soviet version if a coin flip determined whether you got 1 trillion rubbles or a lifetime sentence to the gulag for bourgeois greed

03:22:18 asciilifeform: 'Лототрону не должны предоставляться скрытые (недекларированные) возможности, и в нем не должны содержаться информационные массивы, узлы или агрегаты, недоступные для осуществления экспертизы.' ~= 'a lottotron must not contain hidden (undeclared) func

03:22:18 asciilifeform: tionality, and it must not contain information storage arrays, units, or systems inaccessible to expert examination.'

03:23:19 asciilifeform: 'В лототроне не должны использоваться процедуры, реализующие алгоритмы, которые позволяли бы предопределять результат розыгрыша призового фонда до начала такого розыгрыша.' ~= 'a lottotron must not employ procedures implementing algorithms which would permit a pre-de

03:23:19 decimation: seems perfectly reasonable, except are the internal parts open to examination by the kulaks who buy tickets?

03:23:19 asciilifeform: termination of the result of the prize drawing prior to said drawing.'

03:23:45 asciilifeform: in theory.

03:24:13 decimation: well, everything is deterministic if you have enough information

03:25:37 asciilifeform: seems reasonable re: a lottery, yes? but then you get people who for some mysterious reason disagree when it comes to crypto.

03:27:36 decimation: quite so. I think the yearning to "see" the data being generated (like from the chumpatron) is the right idea

03:28:38 asciilifeform: decimation: likewise, if doubt arises regarding some component, it can be removed, examined, replaced with nominally identical one

03:30:40 decimation: it's hard to find good documentation re: how the hell the linux /dev/random pool works exactly

03:30:58 asciilifeform: decimation: 'the source is the doc'

03:31:38 decimation: yeah, and when you start looking at how the sausage is made it starts to make you feel queezy

03:37:11 decimation: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/char/random.c

03:37:13 assbot: linux/drivers/char/random.c at master torvalds/linux GitHub

03:38:41 decimation: it's probably okay for many purposes but the thing reeks of being a hack

05:20:01 benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu benkay eh what, you can tell. // this is to imply that actually discerning females on internet is hard?

05:20:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:20:07 benkay: ;;later

05:20:07 gribble: Error: "later" is not a valid command.

05:20:11 benkay: ;;help later

05:20:12 gribble: Error: There is no command "later".

05:20:17 benkay: wat

05:20:21 benkay: ;;help later tell

05:20:22 gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.

05:20:41 benkay: so what - spaces don't denote function call from args?

05:28:38 benkay: ;;gettrust Rassah

05:28:39 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Rassah!~quassel@2601:a:f80:551:cca8:730f:58b3:a3d. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Rassah: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Rassah | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Rassah | Rated since: Fri Jun 3 23:49:22 2011

05:29:52 benkay: danielpbarron: adopter

05:31:34 benkay: assbot's an interesting focal point for the WoT

05:31:49 benkay: really highlights the -assets group vs everyone else

05:37:53 dub: hardly surprising now its full of spurious 'is on irc' entries

05:40:45 benkay: will probably approach classic 90:9:1 ratios

05:41:33 benkay: but excellent point. way to dilute the wot, mircea_popescu.

05:47:33 FabianB: $mpexstatus

05:47:35 empyex: FabianB: Proxies: http://mpex.coinbr.com/ http://mpex.co/ MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)

05:47:35 assbot: 401 Authorization Required

06:26:16 Vexual: whoa, ba has sluts now? this is becoming more like a university, next thing you know, i'll have some resources and a consideration

06:27:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 130 @ 0.02890175 = 3.7572 BTC [-]

06:28:53 danielpbarron: nothing wrong with a +1 saw on irc, unless it isn't true

06:29:23 danielpbarron: and even them, the WoT abides

06:37:06 Vexual: ;;rate +1 danielpbarron avoids the past

06:37:06 gribble: Error: 'danielpbarron' is not a valid integer.

06:37:14 Vexual: penis

06:42:26 Vexual: but if you're asking i'll say if it can't be done with erlang and perl it's not worth doing

06:43:55 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN6uBUypKRk also spss and matlab and whisky

06:43:55 assbot: Bashy ft. Dot Rotten, Black The Ripper & Lady Leshurr - Heart Of Stone [Music Video]: SBTV - YouTube

06:45:21 Vexual: datafox can eat a bag of dicks

07:00:05 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-69_ncALA0

07:00:05 assbot: Peace - Money - YouTube

07:20:17 Vexual: sup kars

07:20:33 Vexual: KRS1

07:24:17 Vexual: !up KRS-1

07:24:39 KRS-1: thanks

07:24:39 Vexual: sup puto?

07:25:07 KRS-1: nm man..enjoying our summer time months here.

07:25:27 KRS-1: Chilling at the pool, steak on the BBQ.

07:26:08 KRS-1: lots of work lately thanks to open source cloud software

07:26:38 Vexual: yeah man, novel 2.0

07:28:33 KRS-1: Listening to anything good?

07:29:10 Vexual: i was gonna ask you the same thing

07:29:22 KRS-1: uh well maybe I shouldnt ask..trading youtube links pisses kakobrekla off a bit.

07:29:46 Vexual: shit man, im paid up on jukebox creds til 2016

07:30:10 KRS-1: haha

07:30:13 Vexual: :)

07:30:42 KRS-1: ah well nice bumping into ya..its late i gotta get some rest.. i see you've been gone a while u gona be around?

07:31:12 Vexual: prlly not this essay is breaking my brain

07:32:00 KRS-1: alright slut..i'll be back on in about 10-12 hrs maybe I'll see you then..

07:32:01 KRS-1: peace

07:32:08 Vexual: ciao

07:36:31 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYIeYKAb_Jk

07:36:31 assbot: Wax - Rosana (Official Video) - YouTube

07:42:25 pankkake: nubbins`> i think that a car is too expensive, i would rather purchase a sandwich <= it's much worse, it's like "I can't purchase a lamborghini, so I will buy a tricycle"

07:43:09 pankkake: in the end, the lambo and the dacia will be allowed on the highway, the tricycle won't

07:43:09 kakobrekla: next time, get a trambo instead.

07:43:11 Vexual: buy it from me

07:46:49 Vexual: i do excellent sandwiches

08:14:10 Vexual: punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ5KlZNh1WA

08:14:10 assbot: Official Video: Snoop Lion "La La La" (prod. Major Lazer) - YouTube

08:14:26 Vexual: assbot has changed

08:18:08 pankkake: http://youtu.be/yOCxtDHk89M

08:18:08 assbot: ordo rosarius equilibrio ~ Do Murder & Lust Make Me Man? - YouTube

08:18:39 punkman: assbot's getting lazy, fucking off for hours every other day

08:18:45 punkman: kako needs to crack the whip

08:28:53 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZma7l6fCdo

08:28:53 assbot: Massive attack_Protection - 07 - Eurochild - YouTube

08:33:19 Vexual: ;;google paris time

08:33:37 Vexual: ;;google paris time

08:33:38 gribble: Current local time in France – Paris - Time and Date: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/france/paris; Paris Time - Local Time in Paris - Time Zone in Paris - World Time: http://localtimes.info/Europe/France/Paris/; Paris - World Time Clock & Map: http://24timezones.com/world_directory/current_paris_time.php

08:34:10 Vexual: 10;30

08:34:33 pankkake: yes

08:34:33 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8cXyRpfnQA

08:34:33 assbot: VERBS - FEELINGS GETTING IN THE WAY - YouTube

08:34:45 punkman: this one's dedicated to havelock bagholders

08:39:36 Vexual: ive still got a few rents incase bc goes back to 100

08:40:07 Vexual: ;ike 10

08:44:16 Vexual: realy funding a maythai match with nooone in it is fail

08:47:38 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clUKjs0DIF8

08:47:38 assbot: 2pac Ft. Bill Withers & B.I.G - Lovely Day Remix - YouTube

08:47:58 kakobrekla: ...

08:48:03 Vexual: yes

08:48:22 Vexual: ill pay another 2 later

08:52:57 Vexual: ;;google brooklyn zoo

08:52:58 gribble: Prospect Park Zoo: http://www.prospectparkzoo.com/; Brooklyn Zoo NY - Home - BROOKLYNZOO NY: http://brooklynzoony.com/; Brooklyn Zoo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn_Zoo

08:53:20 Vexual: ;google brooklyn zoo odb

08:53:45 Vexual: ;;google brooklyn zooo odb

08:53:47 gribble: Ol' Dirty Bastard - Brooklyn Zoo (HD) Best Quality! - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JszWAP8wVvU; ODB- Brooklyn Zoo Video - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcsEop0NPGM; Brooklyn Zoo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn_Zoo

08:57:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1202 @ 0.00260521 = 3.1315 BTC [-] {10}

09:04:04 adrrr: This is good shit !

09:04:12 adrrr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6v_AiUK5mk

09:04:12 assbot: Ol' Dirty Bastard - Fantasy (feat. M.Carey) - YouTube

09:09:47 Vexual: likea blooberg interviewm you don't knmow wwhats coming thru

09:19:29 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umyv4ETrV5E

09:19:29 assbot: Astronomy Class - Four Barang In a Tuk-Tuk - YouTube

09:28:28 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFHjt4bY6VY

09:33:43 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhIrzbhEGvs my mouse is rubnning outta betteries

09:38:57 Vexual: ;google las hueallas

09:39:14 Vexual: ;;google las hueallas

09:39:14 gribble: No matches found.

09:39:31 Vexual: indeed

09:41:51 adrrr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgVcPxSeYsc

09:43:27 adrrr: french bomb : http://noisey.vice.com/fr/blog/time-bomb-explose-revolution-rap-francais?utm_source=vicefb

09:56:33 Vexual: aa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4b3MBkOx5k

09:56:42 xmj: so

09:56:48 xmj: i have a problem that wants solving.

09:57:04 xmj: Does any US bank provide accounts that can be opened through the Internet?

09:58:12 punkman: maybe if you incorporate there

09:59:32 Vexual: looke suisse

10:01:31 Vexual: or view t o '15

10:02:16 Vexual: not yor dassys bank

10:02:50 Vexual: deus : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4b3MBkOx5k

10:04:22 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRBdapYgFaY

10:09:26 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ5KlZNh1WA

10:29:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 42 @ 0.18373118 = 7.7167 BTC [+] {7}

10:31:14 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inn4juu0Cfs

10:55:46 dub: hey steve, get better intertubes

11:02:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.01547271 = 0.851 BTC [-] {6}

11:42:15 BingoBoingo: Death comes resurgent https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/17/

11:42:16 assbot: Game 17 - Death 5949 Life 4051 Year 479 - War of Life

11:49:18 dub: +1 for linking GoW to account, it sucks having to actually use bitcoin

11:55:44 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

11:55:54 gribble: Current Blocks: 311004 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 1475 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 18 hours, 42 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18402301785.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.14885

12:12:28 pankkake: davout: https://www.contrepoints.org/2014/07/16/172479-bitcoin-ladministration-leve-le-rideau-sur-sa-doctrine-fiscale

12:12:28 assbot: Bitcoin : ladministration lve le rideau sur sa doctrine fiscale | Contrepoints

12:38:13 benkay: ;;later tell vexual what's this essay?

12:38:13 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:40:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 363 @ 0.00278712 = 1.0117 BTC [+] {3}

12:41:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 546 @ 0.00280716 = 1.5327 BTC [+] {4}

12:42:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 207 @ 0.00282899 = 0.5856 BTC [+] {2}

13:00:45 mod6: %d

13:00:49 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 517817.43 in 601 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: -34.05

13:07:47 nubbins`: pankkake will your sandwich be allowed on the highway? ;(

13:08:25 pankkake: indeed

13:08:41 nubbins`: hmm

13:08:43 nubbins`: france sounds nice

13:10:54 pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/ing-future-bitcoin-protocol-include-central-bank-functions/ now that's comedy gold

13:10:54 assbot: ING: Future Bitcoin Protocol Should Include Central Bank Functions

13:11:10 nubbins`: heh

13:11:26 nubbins`: "a new thing in the future that won't be bitcoin should give us a slice of the pie"

13:11:37 nubbins`: or, put another way

13:11:54 nubbins`: "bank ceo wishes he could create an altcoin that people would use"

13:13:03 davout: pankkake: france is retarded, let's short it

13:14:49 davout: pankkake: being filmed by Arte as we speak :D

13:15:07 pankkake: BITCOIN = DRUGS

13:15:37 pankkake: by the way, Bernankoin's supply is regulated by demand already

13:15:57 pankkake: that way, it ensures a constant price of $0

13:16:11 pankkake: so where is my nobel prize :(

13:16:12 davout: we're not mentioning bernankoin on tv

13:21:23 princessnell: mornin' y'all

13:21:44 davout: hello

13:25:17 ThickAsThieves: mornin

13:25:37 ThickAsThieves: cheap coins today

13:56:55 benkay: man fuck ubuntu

13:56:58 benkay: morning nell

13:58:39 benkay: ;;ticker

13:58:42 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 615.0, Best ask: 615.53, Bid-ask spread: 0.53000, Last trade: 615.0, 24 hour volume: 4321.69857992, 24 hour low: 611.13, 24 hour high: 626.25, 24 hour vwap: 620.015222762

14:17:29 kyuupichan: pankkake: It already does of course. ING's mindless sellout doesn't realize it yet.

14:30:02 nubbins`: man, occasionally we get a customer who has the brilliant idea of saving a few bucks off their order by providing their own shirts

14:30:45 nubbins`: except that's fucking retarded because why would a retail store sell shirts for cheaper than a silkscreening business can get them in bulk

14:30:50 nubbins`: (answer: they wouldn't)

14:31:14 nubbins`: so now i've got a job where some guy paid literally double the cost for his blanks, and they're fucking wal-mart brand

14:31:21 *: nubbins` shakes head

14:34:13 benkay: http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-producer-prices-rose-0-4-in-june-1405513938

14:34:13 assbot: U.S. Producer Prices Tick Higher in June - WSJ

14:34:15 mike_c: random fact that surprised me: warren owns 2% of walmart.

14:34:32 benkay: aaaand: http://online.wsj.com/articles/when-one-pay-raise-a-year-isnt-enough-1405454289

14:34:33 assbot: When One Pay Raise a Year Isn't Enough - WSJ

14:34:45 benkay: why is that surprising, mike_c ?

14:36:08 mike_c: i don't know. I guess I didn't feel like it fit the rest of his portfolio.

14:36:37 mike_c: B/H does outright own a lot of retailers, but walmart feels different.

14:37:31 benkay: strikes me as a coca-cola play: the machine will be around forever, selling crap to the lcd. closest thing to a perpetual annuity one can hope for by my read.

14:38:00 benkay: or a perpetuity

14:38:11 mike_c: KO has growth though (internationally). is wal-mart growing outside US?

14:38:55 mike_c: 26 countries, i guess it is.

14:39:49 mike_c: they opened in buenos aires in 2007. they really are everywhere.

14:40:32 benkay: the man seems to know something about retail

14:44:50 nubbins`: jesus

14:45:00 nubbins`: i guess this is why people hide join/parts

14:45:56 fluffypony: can't we have assbot ban people that do that for an hour?

14:50:58 mircea_popescu: benkay yeah

14:51:00 mircea_popescu: !up Adohgg

14:51:52 nubbins`: !up miaoux

14:52:10 nubbins`: but seriously though, the guy bought WAL-MART BRAND t-shirts

14:52:32 nubbins`: as an additional "fuck you", he specifically purchased shirts that are not 100% cotton

14:52:35 nubbins`: i tell ya, these people

14:53:17 miaoux: thanks nubbins` ;)

14:55:50 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you should prolly start ba's own cfh.

14:56:03 nubbins`: cfh

14:56:07 nubbins`: ;;ud cfh

14:56:07 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CFH | The CFH is a hardcore street gang that originated in the Wayzata/Plymouth area in Minnesota. The gang is identified by the color green. The main ri...

14:56:11 mircea_popescu: like a blog where lulzy stuff is detailed. "The Shirts Story". "How BFL Delivered and BitBet ripped off its users"

14:56:12 *: nubbins` raises eyebrow

14:56:14 mircea_popescu: ;;google clients from hell

14:56:15 gribble: Clients From Hell: http://clientsfromhell.net/; Clients From Hell: http://clientsfromhell.net/page/2; Top Client Stories - Clients From Hell: http://clientsfromhell.net/clientstories

14:56:18 nubbins`: ah ah.

14:56:56 nubbins`: an online outlet for my sharp witticisms

14:57:24 mircea_popescu: ahgahahah oh help me rwanda. hardcore street gang from... plymouth, mn ?!

14:57:28 nubbins`: that's sort of what facebook is for, but i can't make fun of specific people

14:57:35 nubbins`: inorite?

14:57:41 nubbins`: OH SHIT SON HE'S WEARING CFH GREEN

14:57:41 mircea_popescu: what, they have streets in minnesota ?

14:57:58 mircea_popescu: i bet the van buren boys could kick cfh's ass.

14:58:04 nubbins`: i wonder if somewhere there's a girl named R'Wanda

14:58:16 mircea_popescu: lol

14:58:21 nubbins`: imagine

14:58:43 nubbins`: or a drag queen called RuWanda

14:59:34 mircea_popescu: http://nypost.com/2007/03/09/help-me-rwanda/

14:59:36 assbot: HELP ME, RWANDA | New York Post

15:00:47 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shake_Hands_with_the_Devil_(book)

15:00:47 assbot: Shake Hands with the Devil (book) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

15:01:26 nubbins`: not just belgians on the ground!

15:01:29 mircea_popescu: actually, my next door neighbour is a drag queen. incredibly, doesn't like to go out much, orders in pretty much every day.

15:01:45 mircea_popescu: isn't this something else ? a drag queen shut in ?

15:02:22 nubbins`: not too unusual

15:02:51 mircea_popescu: really ?

15:02:55 nubbins`: what better way for a shut-in to get out once a week/month than to put on a new face

15:03:19 nubbins`: i can't think of anyone into drag that's not at least a semi-recluse

15:03:40 mircea_popescu: so fucxking weird, because in my heteronormative cisscum patriarchical view of the world,

15:03:49 mircea_popescu: which just so happens to exactly mesh with sanity,

15:03:50 *: nubbins` chuckles

15:04:12 mircea_popescu: it'd seem if you go to all the trouble to dress up like a circus freak, except permanently, you'd better be very very much INTO circus.,

15:04:58 mircea_popescu: then again i guess sexual deviancy is born out of psychological issues, not a disregard for social norms in the quest for personal enjoyment. nttawwt

15:06:39 nubbins`: i'm into printing shirts, doesn't mean i do it outside ;D

15:06:55 mircea_popescu: no, but it does mean you like to print.

15:07:14 nubbins`: find out when your neighbour DOES leave the house, and then see what debauchery they get into

15:07:27 mircea_popescu: im not about to stalk random people, srsly.

15:08:23 asciilifeform: mpex still building ?

15:08:25 nubbins`: http://goo.gl/chyk1Z

15:08:26 assbot: Naked Lunch - William S. Burroughs - Google Books

15:08:37 nubbins`: probably best not to stalk

15:08:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still.

15:09:31 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i used to, when i was younger and less experienced, i'd see a pretty thing in the street, send the guard to tail her find out where she lives. this resulted in lulziness on more than one occasion.

15:09:45 mircea_popescu: but by now i just can't summon teh interest on the basis of looks for crying out loud.

15:10:50 mike_c: i think your neighbor is just a cross-dresser. introverted drag queen is oxymoron.

15:11:18 mircea_popescu: mike_c fucking clown wigs and everything ?

15:11:27 nubbins`: implication is that introverts don't perform in public :0

15:11:30 mike_c: lol. ok, first time for everything i guess.

15:11:34 mircea_popescu: i thought the campyness was the distinguishing factor.

15:11:47 mircea_popescu: nubbins` well yeah.

15:11:51 nubbins`: you guise

15:12:30 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/uXXFbnB.jpg

15:12:37 nubbins`: bbl, back to twerk

15:12:52 mircea_popescu: omfg nubbins is a crossdancer.

15:12:57 mircea_popescu: he TWERKS

15:15:01 benkay: ;;ud crossdancer

15:15:01 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The%20Smashing%20Narwhal | Apr 10, 2009 ... ... brute bulldog bumbercar butterfly cowboy cradle cross dancer deck chair deep impact stick making a delight doggystyle postion appearing to ...

15:16:11 benkay: oh man it's too early for me to reconcile the inflation nooz with the steel production glut nooz http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/07/16/pain-spreads-from-chinas-excess-production/

15:16:11 assbot: Pain Spreads From Chinas Excess Production - China Real Time Report - WSJ

15:17:36 benkay: demand goes down because prices will be lower tomorrow, which exacerbates the supply problem as nobody can unload goods at a profit?

15:18:59 mircea_popescu: yes.

15:19:04 mircea_popescu: welcome to the free market.

15:19:31 mircea_popescu: people, in general, alone as well as in groups, have one thing on their mind : how to fuck other people in the ass.

15:19:42 mircea_popescu: if they can gang together on theproducers, they will.

15:20:16 mircea_popescu: the feminist is not interested in any positive goal as much as she's interested in "fucking up" the dudebro.

15:20:17 mircea_popescu: etc.

15:20:45 mircea_popescu: it's what makes life fun.

15:23:06 asciilifeform: wtf is a 'dudebro'

15:23:28 pankkake: ;;ud dudebro

15:23:28 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dudebro | Dude bro's are incredibly insecure in their manhood, which makes them: insanely jealous of their girl friends, overly macho, and laughably homophobic.

15:23:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform given the comutative body made out of popkids and 30yo unemployed postdocs,

15:24:06 mircea_popescu: a dudebro is the comutative equivalent of the feminist, in any nonsexual operation.

15:24:12 asciilifeform: aha, them.

15:24:16 asciilifeform: lol

15:24:45 mircea_popescu: shit i'm good at this, i should make my own shanonizer.

15:25:02 pankkake: ;;ud shanonizer

15:25:03 gribble: Google found nothing.

15:25:15 asciilifeform: pankkake: e.g. 'dissociated press'

15:25:22 mircea_popescu: ;;google shanonnizer

15:25:22 gribble: No matches found.

15:25:26 mircea_popescu: fucking grammar azi.

15:27:41 benkay: %t

15:27:44 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 242 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 26k High: 210 Low: 210 VWAP: 210

15:28:01 benkay: mod6: atcbot left #pdxtech-btc

15:29:16 benkay: http://www.geektime.com/2014/06/23/ibm-is-building-a-cloud-system-in-egypt-and-will-train-100-companies-in-the-region/ // hm no mobile boom over there yet? still getting on the cludwagen?

15:29:16 assbot: IBM is building a cloud system in Egypt and will train 100 companies in the region | GeekTime

15:31:46 benkay: the Fed said that while it didn’t generally view asset prices as excessive, valuations for social media and biotechnology firms “appear to be stretched,”

15:32:37 mod6: ok benkay, i'll restart it.

15:33:02 mike_c: who put the fed in charge of valuing biotech firms?

15:33:09 benkay: and apropos only of the babefeeds: http://imgur.com/TrwuNH2

15:33:09 assbot: I love 90's Rock - Imgur

15:33:39 benkay: they're in charge of valuing the whole economy, mike_c

15:33:54 mircea_popescu: mike_c it's the central bank, kinda its job to broadly value all sectors.

15:34:01 mircea_popescu: how did you think central bank systems work ?

15:34:13 mike_c: i didn't realize they were handing out stock picks.

15:34:37 mircea_popescu: sector tho.

15:35:07 mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the #1 job of the central banker : to evaluate which sectors are overheating and which are underheating, and to try and bring equal heat somehow.

15:35:32 mike_c: this is retarded on its face.

15:35:41 mircea_popescu: i am not supporting rhe central bank system.

15:35:45 mircea_popescu: you just happen to live in one.

15:36:25 benkay: mike_c: <dub> http://thegeekiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/10514163_10153083113518569_5085828363159786149_o.jpg

15:36:28 mircea_popescu: it does work exceedingly well in small countries with exceptionally gifted cbs, as romania will attest (and before that, azn minor players)

15:37:22 mircea_popescu: when people were bitching that greenspan was "asleep on the job", da fuck do you think they meant ? housing overheated without him realising it.

15:38:06 mike_c: and the central bank will do what about "overheated biotech"

15:38:15 mike_c: not like fannie mae is funding them.

15:39:11 mircea_popescu: taper.

15:39:15 mircea_popescu: obviously what's funding them.

15:39:38 asciilifeform: Gosplan!

15:39:38 mike_c: that won't cool biotech, it cools everything. they have no sector-by-sector levers.

15:39:44 mircea_popescu: but anyway, this was the fundamental argument of the euroskeptics as to wtf is wrong with the euro : replacing twenty cbs with just one merely further exacerbates the centralisation problem

15:39:56 mircea_popescu: mike_c no ?!

15:40:16 mike_c: right, no. *afaik.

15:40:36 mircea_popescu: what, you're telling me because the us as a whole is in freefall because pretty much any field you look at consists of people given tasks they can't do with tools that can't do them ?!

15:40:47 mircea_popescu: how the fuck was the army supposed to win vietnam ? start there.

15:41:04 mircea_popescu: of fucking course. they have no tools and the job alloted is in principle not doable anyway.

15:41:21 mike_c: well then stop sticking up for the fed!

15:41:43 mircea_popescu: omfg im just explaining how this is supposed to work.

15:41:49 mike_c: (that last was a troll ;) )

15:41:57 mircea_popescu: lolk

15:43:15 mike_c: benkay: nice pic. is that the last fed meeting?

15:44:23 mike_c: !up ThickAsThieves

15:44:29 mircea_popescu: anyway, for that matter, the big part in there is "didn?t generally view asset prices as excessive".

15:44:49 mircea_popescu: translated in normal speak that's "omfg we're losing it across the board here."

15:45:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 700 @ 0.0026309 = 1.8416 BTC [-] {13}

15:46:08 mircea_popescu: you just picked the other part because you mismanaged your book and are now overexposed to the pits. just like any other young, bright, ambitious GS fundboy.

15:46:47 mike_c: hah. nah, i don't do biotech. i prefer revenue-generating activities as opposed to funding R&D.

15:46:58 mircea_popescu: (that last was a troll ;) )

15:47:07 mike_c: nice. ok, we're even.

15:47:17 mircea_popescu: my magical clipboard, look what things i found.

15:48:02 mike_c: !down ThickAsThieves

15:48:08 ThickAsThieves: :P

15:48:10 mike_c: assbot seems to have this figure out these days

15:48:20 ThickAsThieves: http://igaming.org/poker/news/former-ceo-of-satoshi-poker-states-new-owners-doesnt-wish-to-pay-players/

15:48:21 assbot: Former CEO of Satoshi Poker States new Owners Doesn't Wish to Pay Players

15:48:45 ThickAsThieves: in case any of you remember the SatPok lulz

15:48:55 mike_c: what did that sell for? single-digit btc right?

15:49:29 mircea_popescu: which was satoshi poker again ?

15:49:31 danielpbarron: how have i never heard of satoshi poker

15:49:47 mircea_popescu: this is starting to sound like a psychopath act, "i am now Maria and Maria doesn't want to pay you"

15:50:05 mike_c: " he sold Satoshi Poker for a plane ticket home from Thailand" yeah, that's what i thought.

15:51:06 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:51:15 ThickAsThieves: this was owned by a few assholes

15:51:21 ThickAsThieves: one being the bitcoinpride tshirt guy

15:51:34 mircea_popescu: of that "professional" douche

15:51:41 mircea_popescu: s/of/oh

15:51:53 ThickAsThieves: they repeatedly tried unloading shares

15:51:57 ThickAsThieves: they got ukyo in

15:52:06 ThickAsThieves: angled for me a few times

15:52:31 ThickAsThieves: coincidentally one of the pitches was from an airport

15:52:48 ThickAsThieves: something like i'm travelling and i need money

15:53:21 mircea_popescu: you know, being a bum must suck ever so.

15:53:38 mircea_popescu: not so much for the people who've not had a shower in a week plus and are being pushed outof the tenderloin

15:53:48 mircea_popescu: as for the kids that keep going to airports pretending like they belong there.

15:54:19 mircea_popescu: i'm gonna start asking "aren't you supposed to be cutting some sugar cane or something ? what are you doing here boy ?"

15:56:11 ThickAsThieves: the life a man leads is punishment enough

15:57:22 mircea_popescu: the unexamined life is not worth living.

15:57:45 mircea_popescu: runaway slave must at some point be confronted with the reality that no matter how he's pretending, there's a plantation somewhere missing his dumb ass,

15:57:49 mircea_popescu: and a supervisor with the lash ready.

15:57:54 mircea_popescu: you don't just up and walk away.

16:00:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.79167912 BTC to 12`353 shares, 14504 satoshi per share

16:01:12 mircea_popescu: http://www.senado.gov.ar/parlamentario/comisiones/verExp/1918.14/S/PL << meanwhile the argentines want isps to block pronsites.

16:01:20 mircea_popescu: this is a country where prostitution is legal but abortion illegal.

16:01:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 22.75826252 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1979 satoshi per share

16:03:53 danielpbarron: in all trimesters?

16:04:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 180 @ 0.0028013 = 0.5042 BTC [+] {2}

16:25:38 pankkake: the .exchange TLD seems to be available now

16:26:28 artifexd: All these new TLD's annoy me. A lot.

16:26:33 *: danielpbarron too

16:26:43 ThickAsThieves: i dont have an issue with em

16:26:49 pankkake: they're the silver to .com

16:26:52 pankkake: or something

16:27:37 ThickAsThieves: just means we'll see www. and http:// more in ads

16:27:53 pankkake: more tlds is a small chance for less dns censorship

16:28:14 ThickAsThieves: it'd be cool to see namecoin get better play

16:29:48 artifexd: pankkake: How so?

16:30:16 pankkake: http://www.opennicproject.org/ the "biggest" ICANN alternative, added namecoin .bit support

16:30:18 assbot: | OpenNIC Project

16:30:38 ThickAsThieves: someone should do an article on easy steps to set up a .bit domain to point your current .* one, drop a bunch of trendy words like decentralizedautocoinification and post it to reddit

16:30:57 pankkake: artifexd: more entities to annoy, more chances that one puts up a fight and doesn't censor as easily; also, most TLDs currently depend of governments

16:32:06 pankkake: some devs updated the namecoin GUI to help with registering domains - haven't tried it but it's admirable volunteer work :)

16:32:25 pankkake: otherwise you'd have to write the JSON config yourself

16:32:25 *: danielpbarron has some Namecoin names registered

16:32:30 ThickAsThieves: yeah you can everything in the wallet

16:32:50 danielpbarron: I used to have some pretty choice names but I let them expire

16:45:52 ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/07/16/tradeblock-raises-2-8-million-from-andreessen-horowitz-others/

16:45:52 assbot: TradeBlock Raises $2.8 Million From Andreessen Horowitz, Others - MoneyBeat - WSJ

16:46:45 ThickAsThieves: “The kind of thing TradeBlock is providing is a prerequisite for smart contracts,” he said.

16:47:14 ThickAsThieves: this is the former genesisblock blog

16:50:01 mike_c: i liked their mining calculator tool. never read the articles.

16:50:46 ThickAsThieves: yeah they made a switch some 6+ mos ago to the data stuff

17:08:20 ThickAsThieves: Time Warner rejects $80 billion takeover by a 'determined' Rupert Murdoch

17:27:56 kakobrekla: i never head for tradeblock before

17:29:22 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron:in all trimesters? << yea.

17:30:28 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: it'd be cool to see namecoin get better play << yea

17:31:20 ThickAsThieves: i just realized the client also allows for easy NS entry and stuff

17:32:23 mircea_popescu: i don't recall what the major drawback was

17:32:38 ThickAsThieves: probly that it doesnt 'just work'

17:32:59 danielpbarron: nice; what's the punishment?

17:33:12 mircea_popescu: jail ? i dunno.

17:33:16 ThickAsThieves: need to get chrome or opera or tor to support .bit

17:33:27 danielpbarron: no death penalty? :/

17:34:06 asciilifeform: birth penalty.

17:34:21 mircea_popescu: decimation: and rolling dice would take days << dice is iirc just about 6/8 of a byte per dice per throw.

17:34:31 FabianB: $mpexstatus

17:34:33 empyex: FabianB: Proxies: http://mpex.coinbr.com/ http://mpex.co/ MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)

17:34:33 assbot: 401 Authorization Required

17:34:38 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 24 * 3600 / 3 * 6/8

17:34:38 gribble: 21600

17:34:46 mircea_popescu: FabianB nop, not yet.

17:35:06 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron asciilifeform has it i guess.

17:35:27 ThickAsThieves: "The North American Bitcoin Conference Welcomes Bitcoin Novices"

17:35:37 ThickAsThieves: to speak

17:35:40 ThickAsThieves: hehe

17:35:42 FabianB: ic, trying to break the record ;)

17:36:08 ThickAsThieves: U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew called for a crackdown on tax inversions, saying the Obama administration needs to step efforts to limit companies reincorporating overseas for tax purposes.

17:36:09 ThickAsThieves: “We should have some economic patriotism here,” Mr. Lew said

17:37:03 mircea_popescu: benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu benkay eh what, you can tell. // this is to imply that actually discerning females on internet is hard? << yea.

17:37:13 mircea_popescu: FabianB not trying, but looks like it'll succeed ;/

17:37:43 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ahahaha seriously ? economic patriotism ?

17:37:50 mircea_popescu: us, still copying the french, centuries later.

17:38:47 mircea_popescu: dub: hardly surprising now its full of spurious 'is on irc' entries << spurious on what grounds ?

17:39:29 ThickAsThieves: maybe if US closes eyes tight enough the rest of the world economy will go away

17:39:31 mircea_popescu: what's fucking spurious are all the idiots rating on the basis of a 20 bux moneypack

17:39:40 mircea_popescu: fortunately, they're well isolated from the wot that actually matters.

17:40:24 asciilifeform: dice is iirc just about 6/8 of a byte per dice per throw << not quite. log2(6) is ~2.6 - bits, that is.

17:40:45 asciilifeform: that's for a traditional die, of course.

17:41:34 mircea_popescu: ah rught.

17:41:50 mircea_popescu: but even so, 10 bits a throw, a 4k rsa key needs what, 7-800 ?

17:42:31 *: asciilifeform does not recommend dice for key gen

17:42:33 mircea_popescu: benkay: assbot's an interesting focal point for the WoT << didja graph it ?

17:42:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and why is that ?

17:42:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: too much like work.

17:43:10 mircea_popescu: this is like the silent/loud computer system

17:43:15 mircea_popescu: some people like to work.

17:43:20 asciilifeform: plus, actual physical dice aren't entirely 'fair.'

17:43:25 mircea_popescu: this is why some prefer blowjobs while others don't.

17:43:52 asciilifeform: like the 'eudaemons' and their roulette wheels.

17:44:15 asciilifeform: ;;google eudaemons roulette

17:44:16 gribble: Eudaemons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudaemons; layout: http://physics.ucsc.edu/people/eudaemons/layout.html; The Eudaemons' shoe computer: http://www.wearcam.org/historical/node3.html

17:44:55 mike_c: need zocchi dice

17:47:25 mircea_popescu: entropy and bias are not exactly orthogonal concerns, but they're still at an angle here

17:48:08 asciilifeform: incidentally, here's a question. is mechanical wear on dice a positive feedback loop - or not ?

17:48:38 asciilifeform: and does this vary between the extant polyhedra

17:49:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the story of the largest crystall ball in the world ?

17:49:30 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/why-progress-is-a-self-limiting-disease/

17:49:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2014#754108 << that one ?

17:49:31 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

17:49:36 mircea_popescu: yes that one.

17:49:55 mircea_popescu: thing was made for cixi, whom i've referenced before. the process was, tumble the thing in water + garnet dust

17:49:58 mircea_popescu: for like a decade.

17:50:10 mircea_popescu: now, is this proof that the process is broadly non-positive-feedback ?

17:50:26 asciilifeform: aha, standard lens grind

17:50:33 mircea_popescu: yea. always yields a sphere.

17:53:38 asciilifeform: always yields a sphere << but is the progression from whatever-hedron to sphere monotonic ?

17:54:35 mircea_popescu: assbot: ING: Future Bitcoin Protocol Should Include Central Bank Functions << yeah, it totally should. I'm fucking sick of having to bitchslap people like ing from the shadows.

17:54:47 mircea_popescu: gimme a protocol-based steel club ty.

17:55:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it can't possibly be monotonic

17:55:14 mircea_popescu: if nothing else then because of quantum determinism.

17:55:31 asciilifeform: right

17:57:45 asciilifeform: http://physics.ucsc.edu/people/eudaemons/layout.html << for anyone unfamiliar with it

17:58:23 mircea_popescu: mike_c: i don't know. I guess I didn't feel like it fit the rest of his portfolio. << iirc he ended up with it as part of some other acquisition

18:00:58 asciilifeform: (note that Shannon and Thorp, who used an analogue circuit, achieved the same result in months that the 'eudaemons' took years.)

18:01:12 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: can't we have assbot ban people that do that for an hour? << this actually is a good idea. kakobrekla could assbot put a ban on anyone it sees part/joining 12 times within an hour, with a ban message that "please get in touch once connection is fixed, ty"

18:01:39 fluffypony: yeah, I don't want to hide joins/parts because sometimes interesting people join who don't have assbot !up access

18:01:52 mircea_popescu: exactly.

18:02:16 punkman: and nobody in all these years has made a client with smart join/part hiding

18:02:49 ThickAsThieves: ^

18:03:01 ThickAsThieves: if i ognore someone, it should ignore joins

18:03:29 mircea_popescu: yeah problerm is irc clients sorta went into freeze mode cca 2001

18:03:46 mircea_popescu: which is a GREAT thing. nobody's making new "fully featured" irc clients, which then don't work,

18:03:54 mircea_popescu: leading to demands to "bring irc protocol up to date"

18:04:02 mircea_popescu: like it's happened to the web.

18:04:04 ThickAsThieves: yet mirc still wants an update every month

18:04:28 mircea_popescu: "As companies try to retain top employees and hit growth targets, some are ditching the annual salary review and doling out raises and bonuses several times a year."

18:04:33 mircea_popescu: fucking add taking over the nation.

18:05:09 ThickAsThieves: cuz paying them hald their raise sooner will make the job fun again

18:05:15 ThickAsThieves: half*

18:05:46 asciilifeform: http://www.edwardothorp.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/wearable_computer4.jpg

18:05:59 ThickAsThieves: then the joy of double the performance reviews

18:06:46 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ist's just another sympthom of inflation heating up i guess.

18:07:12 asciilifeform: ('cheat-trons' were outlawed in usa - because they worked. but probably wouldn't work today - casinos monitor their own machines electronically and run bias stats)

18:08:47 ThickAsThieves: As an interim measure in advance of issuing tactile-enhanced Federal Reserve notes, the BEP is providing currency readers, free of charge, to eligible blind and visually impaired individuals.

18:10:44 mircea_popescu: blind people gotta use a credit card whether they want to or not.

18:10:54 ThickAsThieves: does anyone work on accessibility in bitcoin?

18:11:14 punkman: ThickAsThieves: yeah right

18:11:26 danielpbarron: 13:40:25 <+asciilifeform> dice is iirc just about 6/8 of a byte per dice per throw << not quite. log2(6) is ~2.6 - bits, that is. << assuming it isn't biased

18:11:34 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: braille terminal.

18:11:42 ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-needs-accessible-visually-impaired/

18:11:42 assbot: Bitcoin 'Needs to be More Accessible for the Visually Impaired'

18:11:55 ThickAsThieves: "Most people want to make [bitcoin] accessible, they just haven’t considered it. That’s one of the problems around accessibility."

18:11:56 ThickAsThieves: heh

18:12:51 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves is't on a computer. what else ?

18:13:14 ThickAsThieves: i'm mostly ignorant to the topic

18:13:34 ThickAsThieves: i guess OS handles most needs

18:13:44 mike_c: one rule is you don't need the mouse to do anything

18:14:05 mike_c: (gov't rule)

18:16:37 mircea_popescu: mike_c another rule is that you can't send people mail as single-image pdfs.

18:17:16 mircea_popescu: anyway, bitcoin as made by saotshi is eminently blind-friendly. you can get everything as json from bitcoind and put it through your favorite reader.

18:18:17 mircea_popescu: the thing is that there's this large group of professional rent seekers who are trying to find a niche for themselves in bitcoin, not the normal way (buy some), nor the professional way (join bitcoin-assets) but the fiat way (politicing and derping around).

18:19:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not the normal way (buy some)... << this is because their actual goal is quite independent of bitcoin. rather, it is: to own people.

18:20:02 ThickAsThieves: ;;google how much money is printed

18:20:03 gribble: U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing - Annual Production Figures: http://www.moneyfactory.gov/uscurrency/annualproductionfigures.html; Facts About U.S. Money | FactMonster.com: http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0774850.html; The Fed Is Not Printing Money, It's Doing Something Much Worse ...: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2014/03/09/the-fed-is-not-printing-money- (1 more message)

18:20:05 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is uniquely unsuited for their methodology.

18:20:05 asciilifeform: steal a coin from man, you have: a coin. steal the man...

18:20:14 mircea_popescu: course, the only way people learn this is through trying.

18:20:21 asciilifeform: you get coin until he's dead. and then from his children, etc.

18:20:36 ThickAsThieves: the auto answer in google is different than the truth

18:20:50 ThickAsThieves: google says "The Bureau of Engraving and Printing produces 38 million notes a day with a face value of approximately $541 million. That doesn't mean there is $541 million more money circulating today than there was yesterday, though, because 95% of the notes printed each year are used to replace notes already in circulation."

18:21:57 ThickAsThieves: http://www.moneyfactory.gov/uscurrency/annualproductionfigures.html says 26 million notes a day with a face value of $1.3 billion. Over 90 percent of notes are used to replace notes already in, or taken out of circulation.

18:21:59 assbot: U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing - Annual Production Figures

18:22:26 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well google, like wikipedia, is only intended as a good enough first approximation.

18:22:31 mircea_popescu: much like you know, cliffnotes.

18:23:41 asciilifeform: https://www.thc.org/papers/ffp.html << in case anyone has not read this.

18:23:42 assbot: Fuzzy Fingerprints - Attacking Vulnerabilities in the Human Brain

18:26:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/mircea_popescu.jpg (solution)

18:26:10 ThickAsThieves: so my rapper friend finally decides to buy bitcoin

18:26:18 asciilifeform: lol

18:26:23 ThickAsThieves: coinbase tells him his tx was too high risk

18:26:30 ThickAsThieves: http://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/977656-why-was-my-order-%22high-risk%22-and-cancelled-

18:26:31 assbot: Coinbase | Why was my order "High Risk" a...

18:26:43 ThickAsThieves: "Unfortunately, sometimes it flags legitimate transactions too. "

18:26:47 ThickAsThieves: such scammers

18:27:03 ThickAsThieves: The algorithm is always improving but is not perfect.

18:27:07 ThickAsThieves: fukn christ

18:27:09 ThickAsThieves: lol

18:28:27 ThickAsThieves: maybe i should make a coinbase is racist reddit

18:28:45 mike_c: but this has some truth, no? they do have to prevent fraud, and no matter what they will accidentally flag legitimate txs.

18:29:22 mike_c: easy to scammer tag them, but how do you tell the difference between honest mistake and scam?

18:29:23 ThickAsThieves: so have a clearing process

18:29:32 ThickAsThieves: dnt let someone make an order they cant have

18:29:33 danielpbarron: it's no accident; the transaction *was* high risk (for coinbase)

18:29:50 mike_c: they do have a clearing process.

18:30:05 mike_c: you can appeal a cancelled tx

18:30:23 danielpbarron: "whoops we're gonna lose money on this deal.. so we're canceling it"

18:30:40 ThickAsThieves: mike_c right, that's where it gets scammy

18:30:59 ThickAsThieves: maybe dudes dont wanna be assed to fight for it

18:31:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: flashlight article << a decade or so ago, i had a flashlight that... crashed! when destroyed, it revealed a microcontroller, with eeprom...

18:31:36 ThickAsThieves: why cant they allow a deposit to clear, then when they are happy, allow trading with that amount

18:31:54 mike_c: you mean, be an exchange. they aren't an exchange.

18:32:07 ThickAsThieves: meh

18:32:21 ThickAsThieves: anyway he's better off

18:32:25 ThickAsThieves: cheaper now

18:32:37 mike_c: because that solves all scam problems :) (see gox, bitstamp, every other exchange)

18:33:16 mike_c: so it's an anti-scam. if the price had gone up he could have complained and gotten the better price.

18:33:55 mike_c: i'm not a big fanboy of coinbase, but i don't see how they could do it better.

18:33:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 414 @ 0.00265304 = 1.0984 BTC [-] {11}

18:34:13 ThickAsThieves: maybe it's a new checking account for him or something

18:34:20 ThickAsThieves: i guess i can try being reasonable

18:36:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol the fuck was it doing.

18:36:47 danielpbarron: mike_c, I agree; my objection is going through traditional financial institutions to aquire Bitcoin; these channels can be frozen by governments

18:37:05 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yah well you gotta get in somehow.

18:37:16 danielpbarron: i like face-to-face and cash-in-the-mail

18:37:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was a chicom die-on-pcb turd. no debug outputs; what was inside (other than clearly, a micro with state) only satan knows. so, i never learned.

18:37:32 mircea_popescu: the cash in mail doesn't scale so well.

18:37:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prolly some sort of smart battery balancing

18:37:55 mike_c: i don't know any way that scales well these days. jborkl's post was unsettling.

18:38:40 danielpbarron: idk, I know how to ship a pallet; could be a pallet of linen

18:38:51 mike_c: i guess there never has been a scalable way.

18:39:13 mircea_popescu: mike_c the main challenge to economy, since forever, is scalbility.

18:39:41 mircea_popescu: which jborkl post you mean ?

18:42:46 mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/07/08/ryanryans-31773/images/full/16.jpg << from the biology class department.

18:45:03 mike_c: sorry, thought it was on bccoinnews. it was justusranvier. http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/07/08/re-enhanced-due-diligence/

18:45:03 assbot: Coinbase Considered Harmful

18:47:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very much related to flashlight article: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/02/industrys-parting-gifts.html

18:47:36 assbot: ClubOrlov: Industry's Parting Gifts

18:47:49 mircea_popescu: at which juncture i wonder if justusranvier ever read http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-politics-of-bitcoin/

18:47:50 assbot: The politics of Bitcoin pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:51:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.

18:51:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'why do half of them have to be ?tactical? ?' << 'tactical', in american marketingspeak, originally meant 'can bolt to a rifle.' then it turned into 'can, if really needed, be used as a brass knuckle.' now it means something like 'looks vaguely like anodized metal.'

18:52:00 mircea_popescu: "This, then, should be the new main thrust of industrial activity: to manufacture and distribute products with the understanding that this process will run out of resources and stop. These products must be designed to outlive the process by which they are made, by as long as possible." << i can't fucking imagine why this would have to appear as new.

18:52:23 mircea_popescu: far as i can discern this is it, the permanent mode of industry since forever, and how things sould work, and how things that work do work.

18:52:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if anodized metal is tactical, what's strategical ?

18:53:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'strategic' - clearly, a gadget that wouldn't look out of place in intercontinental rocket's 'physics package.'

18:53:33 pankkake: I thought tactical was it can be used to hit things

18:53:52 pankkake: you know, there are tactical PENS

18:54:14 mircea_popescu: so i guess my tit tickling cock shall henceforth be tactical too

18:54:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.00261071 = 1.3054 BTC [-] {13}

18:54:22 mircea_popescu: i definitely can hit things with it

18:54:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what, copper wire ?

18:55:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 988 @ 0.00260005 = 2.5688 BTC [-] {7}

18:55:26 asciilifeform: as i understand, the term originally applied to brands of optical rifle sight designed to withstand the field (water, whacking over enemy's head, etc.) vs ones that only need to survive a leisurely duck hunt

18:55:54 mircea_popescu: tactical and strategic are properties of abstracts for crying out loud. you can't have a plapable tactical anything anymore than you can have a concrete idea.

18:56:45 asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Autonetics_D-17.JPG << 'strategic' computer.

18:56:57 mircea_popescu: "a flashlight concerning itself with implementation details, as opposed to broad theoretical considerations"

18:56:59 mircea_popescu: wtf is that.

18:57:12 asciilifeform: lol!

18:58:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are those paralel ports gold or gilded ?

18:58:38 asciilifeform: 'engineering gold'. like our pcb. you don't want pure gold in anything mechanical.

18:59:01 mircea_popescu: but if it's not solid (merely painted on) you get some interesting phenomena

18:59:19 mircea_popescu: of much less interest to someone gilding a pcb than to someone trying to make a parallel connection.

18:59:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a concern if and only if the plug must cycle many times.

19:00:16 mircea_popescu: but my uneducated guess looking at the arrangement is that it would ?

19:00:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 2000 @ 0.00029025 = 0.5805 BTC [+] {4}

19:00:26 mircea_popescu: it's the debug port for all that memory no ?

19:00:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in such cases, one uses, e.g. Ir instead if Au

19:00:37 asciilifeform: *of

19:01:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: russian rockets are kept plugged in permanently. no idea re: america.

19:02:02 mircea_popescu: then why bother gilding it, just make it solid.

19:02:18 asciilifeform: Au is SOP for mil-spec connectors.

19:02:35 asciilifeform: if anything, keeps it from corroding on the shelf.

19:02:48 mircea_popescu: (hello people reading the logs, and welcome to mp's personal engineer training hour, where he bothers people who should be doing usefulk things with the task of educating him for free. and now a massage from our sposor.)

19:03:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when you said cycle i thought you meant, electrically. as in, hifreq.

19:03:44 asciilifeform: aha no. mechanical cycle.

19:03:55 mircea_popescu: because what i had in mind was that two diff metals make a circuit element.

19:04:21 mircea_popescu: "Suppose you have a company that sets out to make a widget. Let's call it Company A. Its founders are all engineers, of an uncompromising sort, and the widget they design and manufacture is of tremendous longevity, durability and overall quality." << hey check out orlov.

19:06:14 mircea_popescu: excellent. guy really should stick with what he understands well (apparently, engineering and production problems) and forget stuff he doesn't get (like, politics)

19:06:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: herr orlov was engineer of some description before 'bugged out'

19:09:37 mircea_popescu: They work to boost revenue by offering an extended warranty or a service plan (made necessary by frequent breakdowns), charging for premium customer service (made necessary by their normal customer service, which consists of a robotic phone maze backed by a few trainees in India who just read aloud from Company B's public web site in a listless, stuttering monotone) and offering numerous enhancements and upgrades (made

19:09:38 mircea_popescu: necessary by annoyances or missing functions within the base product). They also build a profit center out of selling spare parts. They see to it that their product does not contain any commodity parts, and that no parts are interchangeable between model years, so that every replacement part has to be purchased through a dealer. Company B does quite well, becoming profitable, doubling in size several times, and gains

19:09:38 mircea_popescu: a commanding market share.

19:09:42 mircea_popescu: But then the troubles begin. First, given the short replacement cycle of its widget, it becomes harder and harder for Company B to contain costs while continuing to increase production. Costs of key inputs, such as certain metals, plastics, energy to run the plants, and shipping and distribution costs, all start going up, making their widgets more expensive to produce. At the same time, it becomes increasingly difficul

19:09:47 mircea_popescu: t to pass these higher costs on to the consumers. Concerted efforts at cost containment, championed by senior management, burn up more money than they find in savings. Second, turnover among the engineering staff starts to creep up, and after a while employee retention becomes a major problem. An effort is made to boost recruitment, but paradoxically this only increases the turnover rate, until the average tenure of an

19:09:52 mircea_popescu: engineer is shorter than the time it takes to learn the product.

19:09:56 mircea_popescu: the rest of that article hereby incorporated, it should be a matter of record this thing.

19:10:09 mircea_popescu: "yes america, it won't work. herp."

19:10:56 asciilifeform: inidentally, orlov swore off writing any further books re: collapse, declaring 'i've said what there is to be said.' making him, afaik, unique in that 'field.'

19:11:42 mircea_popescu: and right next to that,

19:11:43 mircea_popescu: 'But that means that the project will have taken two and a half to three years,' said the Minister indignantly. 'And it was scheduled to take a YEAR!'

19:11:43 mircea_popescu: Bobynin exploded.

19:11:44 mircea_popescu: 'What d'you mean - scheduled? What d'you think science is - a magic wand that you just have to wave to get what you want? Supposing the problem's been put in the wrong terms or new factors crop up? You and your schedule!

19:12:06 asciilifeform: 'my particular narrow focus in this post is in repurposing existing industrial capacity to mass-produce items that will outlive it and that will make post-industrial life better. The way it stands, we'll have lots of very well-built weapons, not so much ammo, lots of well-built but useless industrial equipment, and lots and lots of post-consumer trash. I am trying to find ways to change that balance.'

19:12:45 mircea_popescu: pretty much the bitcoin-bitcoin-assets-wot trifecta is the way, i would wager.

19:13:16 mircea_popescu: all we need is a few ideologically aware writers, and let's hope that they have the sense to give in to the groan-y siren song of a few cam whores

19:13:25 mircea_popescu: because the fate of the free world pretty much rests on it.

19:14:04 asciilifeform: when do we get a gurl reduced not only to camwh0ring, but to selling off her father's pick'n'placer. for coin.

19:14:23 mircea_popescu: orlov specifically isn't here because when i pointed out to him he fucked up, his reaction wasn't the sane and natural "ow fuck me, i fucked up", but the much more common, and much more human "oh it's not really and i didn't really" and so on.

19:14:41 mircea_popescu: lew rockwell similarly, too big for his breeches, by degrees of magnitude.

19:14:47 mircea_popescu: strange how this works, but anyway.

19:15:21 asciilifeform: orlov, if i recall, answers 'bitcoin' with 'the net dies in $nibble years and where's your shortwave, huh. count me out.'

19:16:24 mircea_popescu: that wasn't the disagreement.

19:16:39 mircea_popescu: he had some bad data re romanian inflation, i pointed it out, herbi (who apparently knows him) conveyed it.

19:18:18 mircea_popescu: somehow as people start to smarten up and realise how shitty us management is failing them, the idea doesn't form that they need better management,

19:18:23 *: asciilifeform wasn't awake for that one

19:18:43 mircea_popescu: the idea forms that either a) they don't need management at all, which yields all the bizarre "decentralise" things trend, among others

19:18:55 mircea_popescu: or else that b) they're going to be their own management, which... myeah.

19:19:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/2014/orlov-is-wrong-and-other-stories/ (link in 1st note)

19:19:42 assbot: Orlov is wrong, and other stories. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:19:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ancient 'war' between 'engineer' and 'management' comes from the 'iconography' (believed by more or less all technical folks) of 'manager' as a kind of yacht-dwelling parasitic goblin on all that is good and bright.

19:20:47 mircea_popescu: yeah well.

19:21:01 mircea_popescu: plenty of similarly socially awkward men believe women to be gold digging sluts etc etc.

19:21:12 mircea_popescu: the solution is to get a better wife, not to make womanhood die in a fire.

19:21:26 asciilifeform: it's more like the popular image of 'whore' - based on the specimens one can readily observe with naked eye in american city.

19:21:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 104 @ 0.008 = 0.832 BTC [-] {2}

19:22:06 mircea_popescu: that's fair, in the sense it's fair to represent "engineer" on the basis of kids found loitering around the campus.

19:22:09 asciilifeform: just like, to a fellow without a telescope, a planet is merely a wandering star

19:22:27 asciilifeform: this is precisely how american 'manager' sees american 'engineer'

19:22:41 mircea_popescu: right.

19:29:31 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, here you go nubbins, the dangers of trying to drive a sammich : http://www.bristol-storage.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/warehouse-destruction.gif

19:42:13 mircea_popescu: "Company C is not really a company but a consortium organized by a group of activists who correctly perceive the great need for this widget and decide to tackle the issue head-on through tireless community organizing. A group of retired community college professors..."

19:42:17 mircea_popescu: ahahha o god.

19:47:06 mircea_popescu: "In fact, I know of at least one company just like that. It was run by an engineer who had produced a huge success for his investors, only to see the company fall into the hands of Company B type management. So he created a new company. For years now he has sucked in more and more capital from investors who imagine he might reproduce his initial success. But it's clear (to me) that he has no intention of doing so, exce

19:47:06 mircea_popescu: pt perhaps by mistake. He wants to do interesting engineering and produce new, cool products at the expense of his investors.

19:47:06 mircea_popescu: I'm down with that."

19:47:13 mircea_popescu: this is going to be a major bitcoin problem, going forward.

19:48:06 mircea_popescu: i mean, all the noobs a la neobee's "ceo", alongside andreas antonopoulos were doing exactly this : implement their idea of fun at the expense of investors.

19:48:24 mircea_popescu: of course their idea of fun was more like mba than like engineer's, but that's squarely besides the point.

19:48:41 mircea_popescu: after the failure, the actual ceo disappeared, but antonopoulos reinvented himself as... more "professional".

19:49:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 194 @ 0.00269999 = 0.5238 BTC [+] {2}

19:49:16 mircea_popescu: this because the market (well, the overcapitalised clueless section of it, anyway) erroneously identifies "professional" with "successful" and ultimately "good".

19:54:10 bitcoinpete: found more f.derps!

19:54:12 bitcoinpete: http://gigaom.com/2014/07/16/elliptic-takes-2m-investment-to-help-firms-store-and-handle-bitcoin/

19:54:12 assbot: Elliptic takes $2M investment to help firms store and handle bitcoin — Tech News and Analysis

19:54:18 bitcoinpete: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/07/16/tradeblock-raises-2-8-million-from-andreessen-horowitz-others/

19:54:19 assbot: TradeBlock Raises $2.8 Million From Andreessen Horowitz, Others - MoneyBeat - WSJ

19:54:26 bitcoinpete: elliptic and tradeblock

19:54:36 bitcoinpete: relentless, those veecees

19:54:49 mircea_popescu: good for 'em :D

19:55:26 bitcoinpete: "The firm, which did not disclose its valuation, is something like a Bloomberg for bitcoin, aggregating data and selling products for analyzing pricing trends and other research tools to its institutional client base. Some market data is free on TradeBlock’s website."

19:55:43 bitcoinpete: i bet you tb runs wp

19:56:04 mircea_popescu: herp.

19:56:05 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: lol you're going to end up with more listings than the nasdaq ;)

19:56:17 mircea_popescu: obviously my servers can't handle it.

19:56:42 bitcoinpete: "Elliptic offers a secure, insured bitcoin service called Elliptic Vault for retailers, hedge funds, bitcoin exchanges and other companies that are trying to dabble in this new world of so-called cryptocurrencies."

19:56:51 bitcoinpete: f.derp broke mpex

19:56:55 bitcoinpete: just like they planned

19:57:03 mircea_popescu: well not just yet.

19:57:20 bitcoinpete: yet...

19:59:17 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/Jason_Pollock/status/488888685782237184 << kinda got a kick out of this imagining mccartney selling buffett btc for bitbet

20:00:30 mircea_popescu: lol

20:00:47 mircea_popescu: buffett looks so lost...

20:01:28 danielpbarron: apparently yoko ono has more twitter followers than mccartney

20:02:06 mike_c: buffett is the king of omaha, he can't be lost.

20:02:22 mircea_popescu: nobody can be lost quite like the king.

20:02:57 bitcoinpete: ^can see that

20:03:40 mircea_popescu: !up gabridome

20:03:44 mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel

20:04:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody can be lost quite like the king >> http://oglaf.com/legacy

20:04:06 assbot: Legacy

20:04:29 gabriel_laddel: camgirl script:

20:04:30 gabriel_laddel: Mr./Ms. VIP,

20:04:35 gabriel_laddel: You are hereby invited to join #bitcoin-assets. The interests of current members include: bitcoin, auditable cryptographic equipment, increasing economic inequality worldwide, non-Von Neumann architectures, etcetera. In short, we're repurposing Earth's resources for the pursuit of our collective aesthetic and would appreciate your input.

20:04:40 gabriel_laddel: We hope to see you in-channel.

20:04:45 gabriel_laddel: The girl in question should start unbottoning her shirt at the second incidence of "bitcoin" taking it off ~2 sec after finished speaking. She should then proceed to give her show. Presumably she has some skill at this, and requires no futher direction. The video itself should be free of advertising, logos, watermarks etc. and be shot with a high quality camera.

20:04:59 mircea_popescu: it's a start.

20:05:19 mircea_popescu: but honestly, it lacks a hook. so there's a group somewhere interested in things. why do i gas ?

20:05:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol yup.

20:05:42 gabriel_laddel: gas?

20:05:45 mircea_popescu: give a shit

20:05:57 mircea_popescu: ;;ud gas

20:05:58 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gas | gas. shit-flavored air. some of the most noxious is fried chicken related! that fuckin chicken gave me gas from hell! where's the air freshener? by da trick biatch ...

20:06:05 mircea_popescu: ha. i invented one!

20:07:04 gabriel_laddel: imo, if you really want them here, you may have to personalize the invitations.

20:07:16 gabriel_laddel: In the case of Nick Sabazo, one could sponsor a robotics contest for a highschool in his neighboorhood. Rules for this contest: http://web.archive.org/web/20060307220916/http://www.lucifer.com/~sean/N-FX/macro.html

20:08:22 mircea_popescu: problem here is this : i don't want these people on any random terms. they have to come on our terms to be useful. that's a big part of it, smart people are great, educable smart people are actually useful.

20:08:47 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Okay, so what are these terms exactly?

20:09:11 mircea_popescu: otherwise you end up in corners like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758259

20:09:12 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

20:09:26 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel well, the problem is i have nfi.

20:09:43 gabriel_laddel: ;;ud nfi

20:09:44 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nfi | Apple touch icon Download the Free App! 1. nfi. No Fucking Idea. The manager has NFI of the work that goes on around here... by KGB July 10, 2002. 2114 678.

20:09:52 mike_c: if they are not interested in bitcoin it is a non-starter (orlov).

20:09:57 mircea_popescu: but whore-out-of-the-blue seems reasonable as an approach, at least because people who manage to react well to women generally react well to new things.

20:10:06 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel no fucking idea.

20:10:09 mike_c: so the message should be "this is the smart bitcoin place"

20:10:20 mircea_popescu: mike_c you know, i was originally not interested in bitcoin.

20:10:35 mike_c: so you weren't ready for b-a

20:10:40 mircea_popescu: yes i was.

20:10:55 mircea_popescu: the way i became part of bitcoin in the first place was an hour or so on the ba of the time

20:11:03 mike_c: but why were you there

20:11:03 mircea_popescu: bitcoin-otc, before fuckwit maxwell ruined it.

20:11:13 mircea_popescu: lucky thing too, that.

20:11:26 mircea_popescu: mike_c i went there because commenters on my blog kept pestering me.

20:11:33 mike_c: because you were knew of, and were interested in learning more about bitcoin. orlov knows and is not interested.

20:11:44 mircea_popescu: i thought i knew, and i thought i wasn't interested.

20:12:01 mircea_popescu: what seduced me, actually, was gribble iding.

20:12:06 mike_c: well then why does orlov end up in that corner?

20:12:15 mircea_popescu: the idea immediately popped that people who are doing this as a matter of course can't be as stupid as i had thought.

20:12:20 asciilifeform: orlov, as i understand, has a very specific reason (i.e. falsifiable hypothesis) that leads to his disinterest.

20:12:29 mircea_popescu: possibly because he's older, and has less experience with whores

20:12:31 mircea_popescu: or the world generally.

20:12:40 pankkake: I had the same experience, I thought bitcoin was only acnee-ridden basement-living 13 year old gamers

20:12:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to wit ?

20:13:04 asciilifeform: he is fairly certain that we have already been thrown from the skyscraper, and it is far too late to assemble this particular parachute.

20:13:12 mircea_popescu: ;;google noob mp or how it all begun

20:13:13 gribble: Call of Duty: Ghosts has been one of the worst MP experiences I ...: http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/call-of-duty-ghosts-has-been-one-of-the-worst-mp-experiences-i-ever-had-with-the-franchise.453507823/; "At civilization's end", an MP Megacampaign - Page 2 - Paradox ...: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?753005-quot-At-civilization-s-end-quot-an-MP- (1 more message)

20:13:19 mircea_popescu: jesus.

20:13:21 asciilifeform: (i admit that i actually store the parachute metaphor from him)

20:13:24 asciilifeform: *stole

20:13:38 pankkake: is this the "i'm a famous romanian blogger, sell me bitcoins?"

20:13:44 mike_c: ok, so there needs to be a hook. mp's was gribble. what would hook szabo?

20:13:51 mircea_popescu: mike_c http://fraudsters.com/2013/noob-mp-or-how-it-all-began/ if you didn't see it.

20:13:52 assbot: Noob MP, or how it all began pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

20:14:02 mircea_popescu: pankkake pretty much.

20:14:09 mircea_popescu: i tend to bait a lot.

20:14:18 mircea_popescu: mike_c good q.

20:14:37 mircea_popescu: but see, im not so worried of that part. once he's here he'll be ok. getting him here tho.

20:14:47 mike_c: naked women are only good for getting someone to listen to the message, they aren't going to attract them on their own.

20:14:55 mircea_popescu: in other words : we don't have a conversion problem before our eyes.

20:14:58 mircea_popescu: jus' need the clicks.

20:15:22 rithm: naked clicks?

20:15:29 mike_c: right, we need ad copy. ad copy for mp: "we auth with pgp"

20:15:35 rithm: my eyes perked up

20:15:46 mircea_popescu: mike_c nope. ad copy for mp was, "just fucking check it out already omfg you're so wrong"

20:16:02 mike_c: that is the other method: repetition.

20:16:12 mike_c: that's easy. tweet @ szabo every day til he clicks.

20:16:29 mircea_popescu: that sounds more like "get szabo to stop using twitter".

20:16:43 mike_c: you didn't stop using your blog.

20:16:46 mircea_popescu: not that it'd be so hard to repurpose a botnet for utterly destroying twitter.

20:16:50 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/04/financial-totalitarianism.html << orlov is also convinced that totalitarian monster is still strong, will succeed in crushing anything it likes with remaining tentacles.

20:16:50 assbot: ClubOrlov: Financial Totalitarianism

20:16:50 mircea_popescu: but... whai.

20:17:01 mircea_popescu: mike_c these weren't random people.

20:17:34 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Who do you have in mind for this list other than NS and Taleb?

20:17:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform an opinion perforce held by any and all govt agents, along an unspecified number of delulded simplefolks.

20:17:43 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: would Theil be on it?

20:17:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and kinda why i have to be so uncharacteristically dismissive of teh various pretender governments.

20:17:56 asciilifeform: like it or not, an apparent total lack of (publicly) expressed interest in bitcoin, is, like it or not, a rational strategic move for some people.

20:18:07 pankkake: one thing to know is that the 140 char limit is 140 unicode chars, not 140 bytes

20:18:16 mike_c: you are talking in circles :) "trusted recommendation" is not a video from camgirl.

20:18:25 mike_c: if we are going in cold, we need ad copy.

20:18:26 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel afaik that guy's involved with some leeches "advisaing" him re bitcoin. sooner or later he'll find his way here on his own.

20:18:30 asciilifeform: privately - another matter. i'd be rather surprised if mr. o didn't hold some.

20:18:31 pankkake: I thought of repurposing twitter as a file hoster, but I'm not sure how much overhead this would be :p

20:18:40 mircea_popescu: mike_c no argument.

20:19:11 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: everyone that matters will be here eventually, the question is when.

20:19:26 mircea_popescu: this is not as certain as it may seem.

20:19:33 mircea_popescu: for instance, newton died convinced there's a god.

20:19:36 mike_c: so back to ad copy. "#bitcoin-assets - the richest IRC channel on freenode"

20:19:40 asciilifeform: just like - for example - orlov will delete any comments inquiring about what kind of arms, if any, are to be found aboard his ship

20:19:49 mircea_popescu: mike_c trying to get the sluts or the engineers ?

20:20:06 mike_c: szabo invented bitcoin, right? we have all the bitcoin. that's got to be interesting.

20:20:21 mircea_popescu: only works if he actually did.

20:20:27 mircea_popescu: topic which prolly bristles him anwyay

20:20:40 asciilifeform: not so much because the inspectors don't already know - but because he recoils at the idea of being the center of 'that kind' of conversation.

20:20:50 asciilifeform: from a gut feeling that it can only lead to the wagen.

20:21:01 mircea_popescu: goin further on asciilifeform's very soviet public/private approach, i wonder how many peeps are creaming their pants reading this convo over tor.

20:21:07 mircea_popescu: "said my name! said my name!!1"

20:21:36 asciilifeform: lol!

20:21:43 mike_c: is szabo in wot?

20:21:54 mircea_popescu: re "that kind of conversation" : what point is a boat, if one floats it on a prison lake ?

20:22:04 mircea_popescu: mike_c not as such, afaik.

20:23:33 mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> mircea_popescu: Who do you have in mind for this list << to answer the q, actually it's pretty open. anyone anyone cares for.

20:24:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov's boat routinely floats about in the open ocean. but, as i understand, he still relies on an intact usa for supply line, and has a day job of some form there. but - unlike me - he also has russian passport. and occasionally makes use of it. so he's something rather like a free man.

20:24:41 mircea_popescu: just as long as he doesn't allow people to talk of guns in his presence ?

20:25:01 mircea_popescu: seems your avg ceo is better of, he just needs to prevent nigger and faggot discussions. guns still ok.

20:25:11 gabriel_laddel: So what we've got so far: There needs to be a list of people that we want here, and reasons why. We don't want them here on any terms and since they're VIP, we should have reasons for each of them. Why NS? Why Taleb specifically?

20:25:18 asciilifeform: the way i understand it, it isn't the gun per se - but the 'crowd'

20:25:23 gabriel_laddel: What roles do you have in mind for them?

20:25:38 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel well those two cause i love the shit they wrote and often quote it.

20:25:57 asciilifeform: traditionally, usg prioritizes self-styled 'armed rebel' circles for stoolie insertion and gasenwagen quota filling.

20:26:03 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel principally, they could tell me (and others) just how stupid we are. or at least attempt to.

20:26:09 mircea_popescu: you know, like in any intellectual field.

20:26:20 gabriel_laddel: So, peers.

20:26:28 gabriel_laddel: That seems to me to be "just any terms"

20:26:37 mircea_popescu: superficially.

20:27:02 mircea_popescu: generally people want to barge in bringing all the mud of their previous context.

20:27:08 mircea_popescu: their bones scatter the logfile.

20:27:43 mircea_popescu: where's fluffypony's excellent write-up on this subject

20:27:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov did recently have a harsh 'brush with reality.' he attended a 'collapse conference' run by his usual circle of people, and was heckled off the stage by 'feminist' types

20:28:05 *: fluffypony scrolls up

20:28:18 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-22/ there, something like that.

20:28:18 assbot: What I enjoy about #bitcoin-assets

20:28:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol what'd he do ?

20:28:32 fluffypony: I should retroactively fix those old URLs

20:28:39 mircea_popescu: fluffypony readin' my mind, didja

20:29:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: described, briefly, here - http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/06/communities-that-abide-preamble.html

20:29:43 assbot: ClubOrlov: Communities that Abide (Preamble)

20:29:52 mircea_popescu: described by anyone other than the victim ?

20:29:59 mircea_popescu: kinda curious what specifically went into the heckling

20:30:02 mircea_popescu: !up JAS2

20:30:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a link to the opponent

20:30:15 mircea_popescu: aite.

20:32:30 mike_c: ok - compile a list of 20 blog posts from blogs.b-a that are appropriate to target. tweet one a day @ target.

20:33:19 mircea_popescu: mike_c think it's mature enough already ?

20:33:45 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/05/death-by-political-correctness.html << continued, to some extent, here

20:33:45 assbot: ClubOrlov: Death by Political Correctness

20:33:57 mike_c: if we can't come up with at least a dozen posts they might find interesting, then we've got other problems.

20:34:06 asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel

20:34:08 asciilifeform: !up gabridome

20:34:17 mircea_popescu: mike_c such as that b-a blogs thing is only half a year old ?

20:36:40 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: You don't have to tell houseguests to flush the toilet. I see no reason you would have to tell SB, Taleb, etc. that they should use their brains. (Which is all I got from fluffypony's post)

20:37:30 mike_c: mircea_popescu: we can certainly backfill with fraudsters.

20:37:45 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you bring a very good objection actually.

20:38:05 mircea_popescu: mike_c that's a point.

20:38:13 mircea_popescu: okay, who wants to make a 20 link care package for these ppls ?

20:38:22 gabriel_laddel: On it.

20:38:42 mircea_popescu: !s gabriel_laddel

20:38:43 assbot: 11 results for 'gabriel_laddel' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=gabriel_laddel

20:39:01 mircea_popescu: shit that search is a great thing.

20:43:47 mircea_popescu: http://www.sexgangsters.com/ lmao get a load of this.

20:43:48 assbot: Sex Gangsters

21:06:14 BingoBoingo: !up SuchWow

21:06:18 BingoBoingo: !up gfest

21:06:23 BingoBoingo: !up andreas_

21:06:30 BingoBoingo: ~up gabridome

21:06:35 BingoBoingo: !up gabridome

21:06:40 BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel

21:06:54 BingoBoingo: %t

21:06:55 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 242 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 35k High: 210 Low: 210 VWAP: 210

21:07:10 gfest: no one here ?

21:08:22 kakobrekla: no one here what

21:08:30 rithm: knock knock

21:08:47 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

21:08:50 gribble: Current Blocks: 311052 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 1427 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 19 hours, 24 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18078433137.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.2807

21:10:59 gfest: !jd

21:10:59 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 19098 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 1269.21 mio bets, 5.32 mio BTC wagered

21:17:39 mike_c: !satoshidice

21:19:26 davout: !s mpex coming back

21:19:27 assbot: 1 results for 'mpex coming back' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mpex+coming+back

21:19:31 mircea_popescu: whoa ?

21:19:36 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel so who are you ?

21:19:55 mircea_popescu: davout working on it1

21:20:07 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: No one terribly interesting.

21:20:13 davout: :)

21:23:23 danielpbarron: cool, huh?

21:23:49 damier: very groovy

21:25:54 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

21:25:55 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 614.79, Best ask: 616.8, Bid-ask spread: 2.01000, Last trade: 616.8, 24 hour volume: 5281.88574680, 24 hour low: 610.01, 24 hour high: 625.0, 24 hour vwap: 617.737429346

21:26:48 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I may have missed this in the logs, but what's the timeline on mpex not being kaput?

21:27:20 mircea_popescu: i missed it in the logs too ;/

21:27:57 mircea_popescu: it was supposed to be monday. since then, an ever endless list of various issues, which i am taking care of one at a time, at the rate of about six to ten a day.

21:28:04 fluffypony: aight

21:28:08 mircea_popescu: eventually it's gonna run out of issues, because i'm not running out of days.

21:28:09 fluffypony: all the best :)

21:30:58 gfest: !e

21:31:39 mike_c: !mpif

21:31:40 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021704 BTC (Total: 474.63 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]

21:34:24 mircea_popescu: ouch who lost wha

21:44:48 mircea_popescu: http://srphsph.harvard.edu/wp-content/exchange-bitcoin-for-real-money/ccbill-bitcoin.php << harvard edu isn't what it used to be

21:44:49 assbot: Ccbill Bitcoin | Exchange Bitcoin For Real Money

21:45:22 mike_c: !mpif

21:45:22 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021704 B (Total: 474.63 B). Delta: -0.65 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]

21:45:25 BingoBoingo: lol

21:45:40 mike_c: ^ now w/ delta

21:49:19 mircea_popescu: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/12/why-i-want-bitcoin-to-die-in-a.html

21:49:20 assbot: Why I want Bitcoin to die in a fire - Charlie's Diary

21:49:32 mircea_popescu: "let me tell you what i read on fraudsters six months ago, in my own words".

21:51:25 mircea_popescu: sadly the words in question are pretty fucking retarded.

22:12:21 mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone willing to do a $5 cc payment for me ?

22:13:01 kakobrekla: i can prolly

22:14:45 fluffypony: I can too

22:19:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2000 @ 0.00254563 = 5.0913 BTC [-] {18}

22:23:37 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, for BTC? me me!

22:23:46 danielpbarron: heh probably too late

22:24:03 mircea_popescu: thanks fluffypony danielpbarron, i'll hit you up if this fails or next time.

22:24:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: charlie stross << imagine if cockroaches could write, and one penned an essay on the harm of DDT.

22:25:10 asciilifeform: would it read any differently ?

22:25:17 benkay: lolfarm: http://m.entrepreneur.com/video/234738

22:25:18 assbot: How to Design a Knockout Bitcoin Mobile App | Entrepreneur.com

22:26:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i love the inanity of "carbon footprint", "gini index" and all the rest of the idiocy.

22:26:35 mircea_popescu: just like the guy i linked the other day, going nuts over someone having mocked him for wearing a gown, these idiots are so trapped in self-referrentiality that they imagine their shit is somehow universal.

22:27:08 mircea_popescu: i deeply care that someone fixated on how things should be pink and round dislikes my computer for being so unpink and nonround.

22:27:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't forget: 'stable governance!'

22:27:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform even funnier, because well... stable is ambiguous.

22:27:33 asciilifeform: lol

22:28:02 asciilifeform: https://libcom.org/files/images/library/Animal%20Farm.jpg

22:28:06 asciilifeform: ^ stable governance

22:28:49 mircea_popescu: right ?

22:33:36 asciilifeform: these folks will indeed 'upgrade' any computer they're left alone with to 'pink and round.'

22:36:13 asciilifeform: 'progressive' algo: 1) infiltrate everything 2) ??? 3) profit 4) begin to get euchred out of the driver's seat 5) wreck it all from spite 6) blame wreckage on вредители.

22:36:48 asciilifeform: we're well into (5) but perhaps it remains possible to throw a wrench in (6)

22:39:07 mircea_popescu: !up iluvfedoras

22:39:38 mircea_popescu: this idea that the progressive's in the driver seat is weird.

22:39:48 mircea_popescu: moiety where've you been!

22:39:57 BingoBoingo: !up moiety

22:42:05 moiety: :]

22:42:15 moiety: short version: life fucking ducks

22:42:21 moiety: sucks also

22:42:35 mircea_popescu: wha happened ?

22:42:39 moiety: i have been reading logs

22:43:14 moiety: i dunno, i have this condition where the rug cannot seem to be able to stay underneath me for any length of time.

22:44:00 kakobrekla: is that some metaphor or literal?

22:44:29 moiety: metaphor...i never get as far as having a real rug :P

22:45:02 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell nubbins` Do you print rugs?

22:45:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:45:34 mircea_popescu: ok well, i need a bunch of secretarial stuff done. you game ?

22:46:20 moiety: lol BB

22:46:27 moiety: sure what you needing done mircea_popescu?

22:46:59 kakobrekla: there is this thing that you can put under the rug to make it non slippery

22:47:11 kakobrekla: saw it in IKEA.

22:48:07 bitstein: <+moiety> short version: life fucking ducks << Yikes. http://www.cracked.com/funny-2938-duck-rape/

22:48:08 assbot: Duck Rape | Cracked.com

22:48:13 moiety: i need it! lol i dont even care about the damn rug. i'm just trying to secure a spo for the rug to stay at.. if that makes sense

22:48:20 moiety: spot*

22:48:39 kakobrekla: oh you on the move again?

22:49:03 moiety: not if i can help it. i love the sex weeks flat

22:49:06 mircea_popescu: lol what the hell happened ther.e

22:49:29 moiety: bitstein: well... um.. thanks... i havent ever been frightened of ducks before...

22:50:48 mthreat: https://www.bitfuture.com/

22:50:48 assbot: Bitfuture Contract Platform

22:51:50 moiety: life happened mircea_popescu ... just keeps happening.

22:52:41 kakobrekla: dat bastard.

22:53:20 mircea_popescu: mthreat backed by ?

22:53:43 kakobrekla: Created by Jake Boggan and Tim Parilla

22:53:47 kakobrekla: https://www.bitfuture.com/about

22:53:48 assbot: Bitfuture Contract Platform | About Us

22:53:55 kakobrekla: fail link to linkedin

22:53:59 kakobrekla: for both

22:54:09 mircea_popescu: heh.

22:54:36 BingoBoingo: ;;8ball

22:54:37 gribble: Maybe...

22:55:21 BingoBoingo: %ob

22:55:22 atcbot: 722@279 30k@278 43k@242 | 215k@210 200k@202 45k@201

22:56:12 BingoBoingo: ;;google manul taking a poop

22:56:13 gribble: Nigger Owner's Manual: http://tightrope.cc/nigger-owners-manual.htm; Taking that shit to the next level - Imgur: http://imgur.com/TDPeD09; constipation - Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine: http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/health_resources/constipation.cfm

22:56:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/make-stratum-server-windows-15-minutes/

22:56:52 dub: wat

23:01:31 mircea_popescu: "Gail insinuates that Albert Bates is an environmentalist hypocrite because he flies a lot. Albert does travel a lot but goes to great personal effort to physically mitigate carbon from his travel footprint, and this is obvious from even a cursory glance at his website. Overall, he is very much carbon-negative, while Gail goes on aimless drives through the countryside in her gigantic, gas-

23:01:31 mircea_popescu: guzzling Toyota Landcruiser to look at dead leaves."

23:01:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what the fuck is going on in this guy's head, engaging in a debate on these terms ?

23:02:00 mircea_popescu: what happened to "who the fuck even cares" already.

23:02:29 mircea_popescu: "Her blog's comments section is a sort of Land of the Lost: people who inhabit the comments sections of unmoderated blogs, and who are perpetually miffed that no half-decent blog will post their comments."

23:02:55 mircea_popescu: fuck him. the pretense that liars & scammers, which is without exception anyone who fucking "moderates" are somehow ethically superior to actual people is morally offensive.

23:04:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov is an incorrigible believer in an impending pollutionocalypse.

23:05:08 mircea_popescu: even if he were.

23:05:17 mircea_popescu: it's still not germane to the discussion.

23:06:45 asciilifeform: actually it is. he started censoring comments when noticed that 99 out of 100 are 'wake up, climatocalypse is a sham'

23:07:02 mircea_popescu: soo ?

23:07:11 mircea_popescu: of course he started censoring once he didn't like what he was hearing.

23:07:16 asciilifeform: right

23:07:59 asciilifeform: he's one of the folks who only like conversation on their own terms.

23:09:03 mircea_popescu: that can't be a matter of content.

23:10:14 mircea_popescu: This is why every successful community I've looked at knows how to exclude (shun, expel) people. Every successful community jealously safeguards its separateness from the surrounding society. This is critical to their survival and for achieving much better outcomes for their members than the surrounding society.

23:10:25 mircea_popescu: see, on some level he understands this. expel PEOPLE.

23:10:28 mircea_popescu: you can't fucking expel ideas.

23:10:45 asciilifeform: i'm not even 100% convinced that orlov actually believes in anthropogenic climatocalypse. what is more or less certain is that he wants industrial civilization off the gameboard, asap. and is willing to support just about any ideology which promises to help the process along.

23:11:20 mircea_popescu: kinda naive approach. there's nothing worse than winning with the wrong people for the wrong reasons.

23:11:31 mircea_popescu: that's how all the "worse than before" stories work.

23:11:51 asciilifeform: his 'collapse' writings are excellent in many ways, but one gets an inescapable feeling that the 'doctor' is not really interested in curing the 'patient.' instead, he would like to see the patient - and his children, and his children's children - croak asap.

23:12:16 mircea_popescu: you mean what, teh us ?

23:12:25 BingoBoingo: !Up moiety

23:12:26 asciilifeform: even with an incurable patient - the approach is rather irritating.

23:12:48 asciilifeform: orlov's 'patient' is all of technological civilization, roughly steam age and up

23:13:14 mircea_popescu: also kinda naive.

23:14:20 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/epoch-the-self-appointed-worldwide-leader-in-payment-processing-aka-a-bunch-of-dangerous-amateurs/

23:17:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that orlov's personal wank fantasies have clouded his mind. e.g., he proclaimed, gleefully, that the uninhabitable wastelands of russia will become arable land due to warmocalypse, and the era of anglo-yoke will give way to a russian mega-hegemony

23:17:19 moiety: thank you BB

23:17:25 mircea_popescu: dubious how arable uninhabited land can be.

23:17:33 BingoBoingo: Pollutionocalypse is possible, more likely than specific carbonacalypse

23:17:43 mircea_popescu: but sure, as the ice moves around we may get to various mineral riches in siberia, canda etc

23:18:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not nearly as sexy. it was possible based on pre-ww2 england style industrialisation.

23:18:11 BingoBoingo: yw moiety

23:18:14 mircea_popescu: modern industry... hardly.

23:18:29 asciilifeform: people generally end up believing in the things they wish to see happen.

23:18:31 mircea_popescu: one needs to come up with very exotic avenues to realise it, now that simple coal soot isn't gonna cut it

23:20:08 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: For sure. I imagine at somepoint biotech polution may fit the bill, but we are talking about the difference between getting a straight flush and a royal flush in a game of Blackjack.

23:20:27 asciilifeform: what's wrong with good old fashioned fallout ?

23:20:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that it ain't gonna happen.

23:20:53 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo as a lower bound.

23:22:31 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: More possible, but I dunno I'd count that a pollutionacolypse.

23:24:36 BingoBoingo: fallout prolly ought to get its own category for its inconvenience

23:26:07 mircea_popescu: what inconvenience exactly ? suppose the current level of radiation in japan becomes worldwide.

23:26:21 mircea_popescu: first off, that'd take very much fissile material.

23:26:44 mircea_popescu: second off, it's fucking difficulkt to achieve uniformity. most likely you'll have to get peaks and lows, needing even more fissiles.

23:26:54 mircea_popescu: and the result ? not even 1% culling of the herd ?

23:27:04 mircea_popescu: some of the weak and shitty die, life expectancy a little shorter ?

23:27:09 mircea_popescu: sounds hardly threatening.

23:27:23 BingoBoingo: I worry about radiation producing more stupid

23:28:24 mircea_popescu: radiation produces more random.

23:28:27 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: except in extreme cases (fissiles concentrating up the foodchain, zapping anything more interesting than a slime mold) what you get is precisely 'more stupid' - that is, a population heavy on the young.

23:28:53 mircea_popescu: basically nuclear weapons, as well as tomahawks, aircraft carriers and so on are further elements in a class of weapons inaugurated by the byzantines, with their greek fire :

23:29:07 mircea_popescu: the weapons which the eventual loser uses.

23:29:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a population heavy on the young is not more stupid, it's more strippers.

23:29:36 BingoBoingo: The eventual loser doesn't always allow the winners victory unscathed

23:29:39 mircea_popescu: and better strippers, at that.

23:29:53 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the winner wins specifically because doesn't care about scathing.

23:29:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mostly because they tend to get discovered close to an empire's peak complexity (i.e. collapse prelude)

23:30:02 mircea_popescu: that's what makes greek fire et all the weaponry of the losers.

23:30:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform debatable which is the chain of causality. imo it's just because they promote a wrong approach to fighting.

23:30:45 mircea_popescu: think of the young russki kids and their street culture. who is going to be respected who doesn't know to take a punch ?

23:30:49 asciilifeform: greek fire << interestingly, i recall that opponents captured siphons, couldn't figure out how to work them, threw them out

23:30:49 mircea_popescu: no matter how many he may throw.

23:31:11 mircea_popescu: "didn't care enough to use them"

23:31:54 mircea_popescu: germania and gaul are still fucking germanic, notwithstanding all the genocides cesar & co drove there.

23:32:06 asciilifeform: zulus, amerinds, etc eagerly picked up rifles, however. so this tells us something.

23:32:09 mircea_popescu: and the latin influence comes from the veterans that settled there, much like a us army guy retiring to vietnam

23:32:17 mircea_popescu: indeed.

23:32:18 mircea_popescu: it does.

23:35:43 moiety: BingoBoingo: i worry about stupid producing more stupid

23:39:21 BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1

23:39:34 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Get your stuff back yet?

23:39:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to put this in a better perspective : i do not have dedicated tools to discipline my slaves. i use whatever i feel like using at the time, or nothing at all. i've used vacuum cleanning tubes, wire hangers, braided electric cord, belts, chunks of wook, rolled up newspaper, whatever. cooking spatulas.

23:39:57 mircea_popescu: some other dood somewhere has this truely ellaborate and complex punishment station, cost him 18`000 dollars

23:40:02 mircea_popescu: plus assorted tools and weaponry.

23:40:18 Duffer1: bingoboingo they never got anything, just control of my email, new comp parts get here thursday and friday

23:40:26 mircea_popescu: the only problem is... well... in his 38 years of 'being a dom" so far, he's had a slave for a total of 3 years, if you add it all up.

23:40:29 mircea_popescu: hue hue.

23:40:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Reading about "vacuum cleanning tubes" was life changing

23:40:49 Duffer1: bingoboingo http://pcpartpicker.com/p/CBkgFT

23:40:49 assbot: Intel Core i5-4670K, Sapphire Radeon R9 290, Rosewill THOR V2 - System Build - PCPartPicker

23:41:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o was it ?

23:41:44 mircea_popescu: but anyway : the eventual winner doesn't quite have the same needs from his equipment as the eventual loser does.

23:41:48 asciilifeform: Duffer1: wintel, yuck

23:42:34 mircea_popescu: if teh muricans really just wanted "something that shoots and a bus ticker there", i'd have been really worried about the afghanistani.

23:42:47 mircea_popescu: as the situation is reversed however... no amount of derpage can possibly help.

23:42:56 Duffer1: i'll be doing everything sensitive from my offline comp from now on

23:43:09 Duffer1: new habits all that

23:43:17 Duffer1: ubuntu

23:43:20 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: I might suggest playing around with something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Ultra-10-Workstation-333MHz-512MB-RAM-40GB-HD-/380441777151?pt=US_Thin_Clients&hash=item589418d3ff

23:43:22 assbot: Sun Ultra 10 Workstation 333MHz 512MB RAM 40GB HD | eBay

23:43:22 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 wisdom comes to they who get burned :)

23:43:40 asciilifeform: 'something that shoots and a bus ticker there' >> magical formula! described what i suspect every adult male alive really wants

23:43:52 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: You've been burned once, skip nigbuntu

23:44:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, swing the thing as hard as you like and on a forgiving surface it has a maximum impact force.

23:44:54 asciilifeform: ;;google something that shoots and a bus ticket there

23:44:55 gribble: Las Vegas, NV - Hotel Deals, Things to Do - Downtown Bus Stop ...: http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=am/am2Station/Station_Page&code=LVS; Almost Bought a Guy a Bus Ticket | The Billfold: http://thebillfold.com/2013/07/almost-bought-a-guy-a-bus-ticket/; MTS - How To Ride - San Diego Metropolitan Transit System: http://www.sdmts.com/how_to_ride.asp

23:45:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 80 @ 0.00739622 = 0.5917 BTC [-] {7}

23:45:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lmao las vegas.

23:46:01 BingoBoingo: Duffer if you really want a *nix for not very *nix'y people Scientific Linux is pretty good.

23:46:31 Duffer1: nix?

23:46:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: incidentally, good student project: msdos port of bitcoind.

23:46:52 mircea_popescu: its how they call unix inspired oses like linux when they're being cool.

23:46:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you'd have to diddle the NIC directly, i suspect, but what does that matter.

23:47:03 Duffer1: ah hehe

23:47:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform looked into it. won't work : no good msdos db.

23:47:12 mircea_popescu: takes too long.

23:47:24 asciilifeform: no port of bdb ?

23:47:30 asciilifeform: too posixy?

23:47:54 mircea_popescu: want some novell ?

23:47:59 asciilifeform: lol

23:48:01 *: asciilifeform gags

23:48:09 mircea_popescu: no no, here. it even ha snetware.

23:48:29 *: asciilifeform diddled netware as a bad schoolboy

23:48:32 mircea_popescu: cp/m seems a better option

23:48:44 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: *nix basically refers to everything after AT&T Unix 7

23:48:46 asciilifeform: hell, bare metal.

23:50:27 Duffer1: thanks man, i'm reading about it now (scientific linux)

23:52:07 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: It is a RHEL clone so pushes a person to look towards general Unixy admining habits instead of very OS X type solutions like apt-get

23:54:43 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: As you ease yourself into unixy environments consider this advice if you decide to run a full desktop environment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/24/choosing-a-linux-desktop-environment-for-newbs-and-n00bs/

23:54:44 assbot: Choosing A Linux Desktop Environment for Newbs and n00bs | Bingo Blog

23:55:19 Duffer1: perfect

23:55:24 BingoBoingo: Death is seriously stomping some colons nao https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/17/

23:55:24 assbot: Game 17 - Death 6075 Life 3925 Year 543 - War of Life