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00:34:41 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/az3Wbf6.jpg

00:34:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1X7ZVXC )

00:40:03 mircea_popescu: holy shit netsp[lits

00:40:29 BingoBoingo: Been a while since one like that

00:40:45 asciilifeform: aha

00:41:01 asciilifeform: and this is the 4th or so, on my end, in 3 days.

00:41:05 mircea_popescu: yup

00:41:47 asciilifeform: so what i actually sat down at the console to say was...

00:42:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a theory re: one possible reason why enemy might be interested in altering sig format

00:42:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this'd be: to nuke pre-loaded sigs (e.g., dead-man switch systems, or otherwise secreted.)

00:43:06 asciilifeform: *pre-loaded tx-en, that is

00:43:37 mircea_popescu: at no point was the promise made that one can rely on pre-loaded tx

00:43:49 asciilifeform: now this is true.

00:44:06 mircea_popescu: it'd be nice if that functionality was available. it eminently is not. tough and who doesn't like it knows how to get in the wot and start crac kin.

00:44:25 mircea_popescu: maintaining backwards compatibility is one thing, maintaining backwards delusionality is another thing.

00:44:46 asciilifeform: now if all you have is this kind of tx, you can trivially transform it into one that is legal per the patch linked earlier

00:44:58 mircea_popescu: but you'd still have to do the transform.

00:45:01 asciilifeform: which doesn't actually do anything random bozos can't already do to your tx.

00:45:18 asciilifeform: but yes, if you buried the tx-shooter in cement at the bottom of the mariana trench, it will suck

00:45:22 mircea_popescu: (this is really why this is such a triviality. so min er x no longer accepts old style txn ? costs fifty cents to put a muxer in between)

00:45:49 asciilifeform: anyway, as far as i can see the suggested tweak is harmless. who wants to write the patch, can.

00:46:06 mircea_popescu: what i want to know is, what is the mathematical significance of narrowinfg the S space.

00:46:16 mircea_popescu: because i don't now, as i didn't in 2013, understand this.

00:48:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice that the operation takes place after the act of signing properly speaking.

00:48:16 mircea_popescu: true.

00:48:40 mircea_popescu: its not that i suspect the holy grail is spirited there. i just don't grok what it does is all.

00:49:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is a 'don't care' value, one bit's worth. the proposed tweak abolishes it.

00:49:33 mircea_popescu: why ?

00:50:03 asciilifeform: 'malleability' vector - any idiot can, presently, flip it, and both variants compute as valid sig.

00:50:07 mircea_popescu: nono.

00:50:11 mircea_popescu: why is there an unused byte ?

00:50:14 asciilifeform: bit

00:50:17 mircea_popescu: right

00:51:33 asciilifeform: as far as i can tell - unused sign bit.

00:51:47 mircea_popescu: for that matter splitting a 31 bit paload in a 32 bit envelope into "odd/even" or "upper/lower" is, intuitively, the same damned thing. or should i say "from a theoretical, numeric persepective". why does it make a difference ?

00:51:54 mircea_popescu: and yes, unused sign bit. but why.

00:53:15 asciilifeform: 'because openssl'

00:53:24 *: asciilifeform has been sitting and trying to ascertain precisely 'why'

00:53:41 mircea_popescu: no see, i know that. but these are really bullshit answers obviously.

00:53:59 mircea_popescu: anyway.

00:54:51 asciilifeform: the overarching picture in my mind is that bitcoin would scarcely look any different if it had been designed by вредители

00:55:04 mircea_popescu: i mean yes, it DOES seem to be simply miserable typing in openssl, they have nfi what ints even are over there

00:55:13 mircea_popescu: almost like it's coded in c++

00:55:22 asciilifeform: l0l aha.

00:55:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no see, that's the beauty of it. yes that's right, and it never occured to me before that could be a good thing.

00:56:32 asciilifeform: good thing?!

00:57:05 mircea_popescu: myeah.

00:57:32 mircea_popescu: "you design and build the battleships and whatever else you feel like doing anyway you want to - we'll beat you to shit with them."

00:57:34 mircea_popescu: now that's power.

00:57:42 mircea_popescu: of an awesome nature never before seen.

00:58:04 mircea_popescu: "you set the chess table any way you want and it's checkmate in 3."

00:58:42 *: asciilifeform will be more excited after the checkmate

01:00:54 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the overarching picture in my mind is that bitcoin would scarcely look any different if it had been designed by вредители << It gets worth Anytime I look at something interesting comparing between 0.5-0.7 and 0.9 and later at some point Gavin has refactored every fucking thing into a different retarded language that is precisely NOT the Bitcoin dialect of C++

01:01:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 0.8+

01:01:51 asciilifeform: but to some extent earlier.

01:01:54 mircea_popescu: here's a nice tidbit for the fathers in audience :

01:01:54 asciilifeform: hence 0.5.3

01:01:56 mircea_popescu: "The women with depressed, unhelpful husbands did not report lower levels of marital satisfaction; rather they were maintained at high levels. One interpretation of our data was that the women's more negative memories of their fathers served the function of minimizing (or denying) their husbands' failure to be as helpful as needed. If this is all that can be expected of men, then I can no longer recall my father so po

01:01:56 mircea_popescu: sitively!"

01:02:00 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/09/recollections_of_your_parents_1.html

01:02:01 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Recollections Of Your Parents Before And After You Have Children ... ( http://bit.ly/1X82rxd )

01:02:02 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 0.8 had the big blockchain handling change yes, but 0.8 to 0.9 transition had mega refactoring

01:03:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.0004784 = 10.166 BTC [-] {3}

01:07:27 shinohai: Thank God I do not have children.

01:07:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00048003 = 2.9282 BTC [+]

01:08:50 shinohai: "But simultaneously, the act of reinterpretation changes us." <<< No shit. Read the instruction manual for #b-a and see how you feel about bitcoin in 6 months.

01:08:54 mircea_popescu: god generally works on the conception angle. thank the women if anybody.

01:11:05 shinohai: God only wants you to have sex if it is explicitly for the act of procreation, or so I have been led to believe.

01:11:20 mircea_popescu: blame canada.

01:11:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34250 @ 0.00048003 = 16.441 BTC [+] {2}

01:12:44 mircea_popescu: "Reality is too boring, and world events too complex, too overwhelming, and, frankly, too not about me. We want entertainment, diversions, that look enough like social policy analysis that we don't feel too guilty discussing them ad nauseum. We want masturbation that looks like work. "

01:13:02 mircea_popescu: word. wants a) masturbation but b) that looks like work. there, el consumidor, fully described.

01:14:01 shinohai: I'm guilty of that.

01:15:02 mircea_popescu: ofcourseyouare.

01:15:30 mircea_popescu: this is like "earth is carbon based so species there are probably breathing oxigen and retaining water" "i'm guilty of that". doh ?!

01:18:34 shinohai: Do you know how many people, at least in my area, absolutely refuse any type of introspection. Then my statement might not seem so out of place.

01:19:23 shinohai: "I'm fine, B. Your problem is you need to get saved and accept Jesus in yer life."

01:20:18 mircea_popescu: ah, it didn't feel out of place. it was just... you know, trying to point out this is a very bad measuring stick. "fish is wet" well... it'd better be.

01:20:54 mircea_popescu: NOT being guilty of that probably scores you high for psychopathy or some shit, because that's the thing with socialization : being a very far outlier in your environment, even if you are right by some measure, still makes you a very far outlier.

01:21:35 asciilifeform: what would this even look like ?

01:21:58 mircea_popescu: "this"

01:22:45 asciilifeform: the not-being...

01:23:49 mircea_popescu: well, take for instance http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/05/my_daughter_deserved_to_die_fo.html

01:23:51 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: "My daughter deserved to die for falling in love" ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8xzZ2 )

01:24:13 mircea_popescu: usian is very taken aback at the both common and perfectly reasonable [in its context] practice of killing young women that get out of line.

01:24:54 mircea_popescu: there is in point of fact nothing objectively wrong with honor killings, all sorts of pretense to the contrary notwithstanding. if you can get your hands around her neck you can strangle her. or not. your option. reality has both functions loaded and ready to go and return;

01:25:39 mircea_popescu: ballas decides "the guy is narcissist". this is about as clever as discussing the rotator splint of wild geese. "hey, they're flying, right ? gotta have rotator splint, it's what you call the collar bone"

01:25:44 mircea_popescu: geese don't have collar bones.

01:26:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00047498 = 7.1959 BTC [-] {4}

01:27:05 mircea_popescu: if i had to guess - and i can do no better than guess, da fuck i know - i'd imagine the celebrated "what a nigger wants is loose shoes, tight pussy and a warm hole to shit in" is a lot closer to what that guy [pars pro toto] wants than "masturbation that looks like work".

01:27:13 mircea_popescu: for one thing he doesn't even have a conception of work whatsoever.

01:28:34 shinohai: The "loose shoes" comment reminds of a very racist joke, kek

01:28:49 mircea_popescu: ;;google earl butz

01:28:49 gribble: Earl Butz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz; The infamous quote that revealed Earl was a bigoted Butz-hole…: http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2009/09/earl-butz-three-things-loose-shoes.html; Earl Butz Mouths Off - Rolling Stone: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/rolling-stones-biggest-scoops-exposes-and- (1 more message)

01:31:08 mircea_popescu: (execuytive summary - guy who ended jefferson's idea of agriculture and planted the seeds for hfcs in every meal)

01:36:42 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> geese don't have collar bones. << Surefire sign Geese are all Mayogendered

01:36:49 mircea_popescu: lol

01:37:07 BingoBoingo: I mean they even all only have cloacas

01:37:40 mircea_popescu: one of the better jokes in veterinary school, head prof goes in eager beaver pathology class, "i'll put one case to you boys... suppose my horse gets a fractured collar bone. what do you do ?"

01:37:45 *: BingoBoingo imagines cloaca creation surgery becoming popular in USia in the coming decades

01:37:47 mircea_popescu: "tetanos shots!" "blablabla!"

01:38:07 mircea_popescu: "why not call the natural history museum, offer them the first horse with a collarbone."

01:38:12 BingoBoingo: lol

01:39:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73352 @ 0.00047136 = 34.5752 BTC [-] {4}

01:39:10 shinohai: hue

02:01:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27850 @ 0.00048048 = 13.3814 BTC [+] {3}

02:03:23 brg444: has anyone here had a look at "Confidential Transactions" ?

02:04:34 brg444: https://github.com/ElementsProject/elementsproject.github.io/blob/master/confidential_values.md

02:04:35 assbot: elementsproject.github.io/confidential_values.md at master · ElementsProject/elementsproject.github.io · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1jrLdg0 )

02:04:35 BingoBoingo: brg444: Honestly I think we are too busy just trying to fucking make "standard transactions" work

02:04:45 brg444: fair enough

02:04:59 BingoBoingo: But if got ideas go ahead an dump them here

02:06:58 brg444: !search sidechains

02:06:59 assbot: 43 results for 'sidechains' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sidechains

02:37:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5158 @ 0.00048065 = 2.4792 BTC [+]

02:43:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7348 @ 0.00048085 = 3.5333 BTC [+] {2}

03:00:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00048072 = 4.1582 BTC [-]

03:19:50 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell brg444 have you considered reading codes in sets of 5?

03:19:51 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:21:23 BingoBoingo: shinohai: So, did you write up that thing or is it not news?

03:23:30 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300110 << why else?

03:23:30 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 01:11:05; shinohai: God only wants you to have sex if it is explicitly for the act of procreation, or so I have been led to believe.

03:28:32 BingoBoingo: Because sexing is fun

03:28:43 BingoBoingo: Or else, why anal?

03:28:54 danielpbarron: exactly. why anal?

03:28:59 danielpbarron: why not goat?

03:29:08 BingoBoingo: (Because blowjobs promote procreation by modulating immune response)

03:29:25 BingoBoingo: Anal, because tighter, more stimulating

03:30:11 danielpbarron: i can't imagine it gets more stimulating than a real live fertile womb in which you can grow a baby

03:30:24 BingoBoingo: (Under the immune modulation theory oral sex is never actually technically sodomy for promoting conditions favorable to pregnancy)

03:30:34 danielpbarron: anything else seems like weird fetish to me

03:30:52 BingoBoingo: Have you considered doping your imagination moar?

03:30:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00048086 = 9.1844 BTC [+] {2}

03:32:53 danielpbarron: what is that? drugs?

03:32:56 BingoBoingo: Fertile womb and floppy loose roast beef vagina can co-exist

03:33:18 BingoBoingo: Maybe drugs, maybe dehydrated fasting spirit trip in the woods

03:33:35 danielpbarron: i've done plenty of drugs

03:33:37 BingoBoingo: Lots of ways to prime brian in the skull's creativity

03:33:51 danielpbarron: even in the woods

03:34:53 BingoBoingo: But if we are merely considering a potentially viable womb all of a sudden 2/3 of the Mayogendered will plead fertile

03:35:17 danielpbarron: obesity leads to hell

03:35:47 BingoBoingo: Glad to hear you concurr on that point.

03:36:09 BingoBoingo: Though hell comes early for them, don't have to wait for the next life even.

04:09:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00047967 = 11.5121 BTC [-] {4}

04:49:57 BingoBoingo: !up bagels7

04:50:08 BingoBoingo: !up sueastside

04:51:29 BingoBoingo: !up bagels7

04:51:34 BingoBoingo: !up sueastside

04:51:43 BingoBoingo: !up jurov

04:52:30 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Can we at least come to a consensus that oral sex is not a deviant form of sodomy

04:54:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00047989 = 6.2386 BTC [+]

04:58:27 bagels7: I make whore dollars with my whore mouth

04:58:42 ben_vulpes: good evening bagels7

04:58:54 bagels7: Good evening ben_vulpes

05:00:14 ben_vulpes: how is the ol' moneymaker tonight?

05:00:32 bagels7: I'm a good whore because no matter what you do you should do it well, moreover is it not the will of god

05:02:39 bagels7: well I didn't work tonight, girls with cocks are very niche

05:03:30 BingoBoingo: eh

05:04:01 BingoBoingo: Having a cock still isn't as bad for a girl as being Obeast bagels7

05:06:12 bagels7: I'm not BBW yet and I broke up with my boyfriend that apparently had me in a fattening room

05:07:34 bagels7: He slashed the tired of my bike and the cops put him in jail because [...] I hate alcoholism

05:07:41 BingoBoingo: bagels7: Maybe focus on staying human sized? As a t-girl that is the bulk of your value proposition, not being an obeast.

05:08:02 BingoBoingo: Also, alcoholism is kool.

05:08:23 bagels7: Bingoboingo: I am 6 feet tall or 183 cm

05:08:51 BingoBoingo: So, tall and not being an obeast are your value propositions

05:08:57 bagels7: I can't help being heavy , also alcoholism is not kool when you get beat up and abused and constantly belittled

05:09:09 bagels7: Obviously Bingo

05:09:21 bagels7: I am considering some sort of liquid diet

05:09:52 bagels7: But I really really would like a peace of pie right now at 1 am

05:10:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.0004783 = 18.1515 BTC [-] {4}

05:11:25 trinque: bagels7 | I can't help being heavy << are you trying to trigger BingoBoingo ?

05:11:51 *: trinque is hitting the gym 4 times a week; what's this "can't help it"

05:12:00 BingoBoingo: trinque: Yes, Imma being triggered.

05:12:35 BingoBoingo: bagels7: You know Brian in you skull only accepts two carbohydrates as fuel. Glucose and good old ETOH

05:13:44 bagels7: alcohol messes up my hormones and is probably what got me fat in the first place

05:15:08 BingoBoingo: Alcohol is what makes me so manly I beat the bouncers who wanted to kick me out of forlorn sports bar last Saturday. (I beat them by getting a block and a half lead)

05:19:31 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.27340109 BTC on 'No' - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 31 March 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1214/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b4

05:20:29 *: BingoBoingo very impressed with Rubio staying Bitbet's favorite repubican candidia. He's got very pretty eyes for a spic.

05:21:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00048038 = 4.8278 BTC [+] {3}

05:23:46 BingoBoingo: !up bagels7

05:23:55 BingoBoingo: !up sueastside

05:36:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55150 @ 0.00048086 = 26.5194 BTC [+] {2}

05:48:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00048165 = 3.6605 BTC [+] {3}

06:05:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00047785 = 2.8193 BTC [-] {2}

06:39:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19194 @ 0.00048209 = 9.2532 BTC [+] {2}

07:09:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60400 @ 0.00048244 = 29.1394 BTC [+] {6}

07:19:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00048277 = 1.0138 BTC [+]

07:26:50 BingoBoingo: !up HeySteve

07:27:42 HeySteve: hi BingoBoingo, what's new?

07:27:49 BingoBoingo: HeySteve: I know its been a while since you've abandoned writing for the now collapsing CCN rag. Ever given a serious though to qntra writing?

07:27:57 BingoBoingo: You write with a solid voice.

07:28:10 HeySteve: I have indeed

07:28:40 BingoBoingo: I don't remember you writing for the other place since qntra was born, gotta have that blue balls

07:29:03 HeySteve: I started up my own site, coinlife.me

07:29:14 HeySteve: it's about Bitcoin but as non-technical as it gets

07:34:31 HeySteve: and yeah, I left CCN before the Garza scandal broke

07:36:04 BingoBoingo: Yeah, that was a solid move

07:36:34 BingoBoingo: You are the only motherfucker who made it out, and why? You saw the stupid and left.

07:37:20 BingoBoingo: I though am interested in your new bitcoin"lifestyle site

07:39:40 HeySteve: yeah I'm trying to get that profitable so I can expand

07:39:47 HeySteve: saw an article no one else is covering

07:40:23 HeySteve: an angle rather

07:42:07 BingoBoingo: It is a good thing to do. If you see interesting angles on news, feel free to collect some equity in qntra.

07:42:43 BingoBoingo: A lot of other people seriously undervalue the sort of history you have.

07:42:51 HeySteve: ok excellent, thanks for the offer and I'll certainly take you up on it if and when I find a good story

07:44:29 BingoBoingo: It is an offer of the sort open to a lot of people in varying degrees. To you it is especially open.

07:45:31 BingoBoingo: Stuff already news'd that you have a smart commentary on is an opening you have that not many others do.

07:48:51 HeySteve: well, my current "serious" project is trying to defeat property rental fraud using cryptocurrency

07:49:27 HeySteve: BitShares specifically, which I realise is an unpopular topic around here, but perhaps something interesting may come of that

07:49:48 punkman: what is property rental fraud?

07:50:28 HeySteve: when a landlord retains a tenant's rental deposit without justification. very common around the world and hard to challenge legally

07:51:06 BingoBoingo: HeySteve: Bitshares is more looked down on for its nature than its applications, not quite, but close to Ether uffing hate

07:52:44 BingoBoingo: The way though to actually beat rental fraud is allodial title and an army

07:52:57 HeySteve: yeah, in an ideal world I'd code up my own application but...

07:53:53 punkman: HeySteve: they usually have justification, don't they?

07:54:15 HeySteve: researching alloidal title, thanks

07:55:04 BingoBoingo: Well, allodial title also takes an army

07:55:20 HeySteve: punkman, it varies. often they overcharge for minor damages or make a point of being absent when the tenant is required to return the keys

07:55:24 HeySteve: had an article on it...

07:55:59 punkman: sure, they overcharge. how does bitshares help?

07:56:40 HeySteve: ah yes, this was a decent overview: http://www.caltenantlaw.com/secdep.htm

07:56:41 assbot: Getting Back Your Security Deposit ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwDQ2E )

07:56:57 HeySteve: right, well my idea is to escrow the rental deposit

07:57:59 BingoBoingo: !up HeySteve

07:58:34 punkman: UK gov does escrow for rental deposits these days

07:59:37 HeySteve: and the fiat-pegged assets with multisig which BTS allows "out the box" will help keep things simple for the public and myself alike

08:00:04 HeySteve: didn't know that, punkman, there's clearly a need for it in the developing world

08:00:32 punkman: HeySteve: well here it is if you are interested in prior art https://www.gov.uk/tenancy-deposit-protection/overview

08:00:32 assbot: Tenancy deposit protection - GOV.UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwDYiA )

08:01:03 HeySteve: this sort of fraud is rampant here in South Africa and from what I've heard from people, common in Israel too

08:01:55 HeySteve: thanks, that's good information. here it's also required that the deposit be kept in an interest bearing account, which adds another wrinklle

08:02:07 punkman: HeySteve: what are the incentives for the landlord though?

08:03:01 HeySteve: good question. for a dishonest landlord, there are only disincentives. for an honest one, I'm still considering... obvious option is to require a larger deposit

08:03:21 punkman: were I renting houses to orcs, I'd definitely not opt-in to any such scheme

08:03:55 HeySteve: if the scheme takes off, it's also a way for honest landlords to attract tenants by declaring their compliance to a standard

08:04:16 HeySteve: punkman, well damage or non-payment will definitely be punished

08:05:02 HeySteve: I'll require evidence from tenant and landlord at start and end of contract and arbitrate based on that

08:05:27 HeySteve: it's also possible to open the arbitration to a jury of sorts through hierarchial multisig

08:06:31 BingoBoingo: <HeySteve> this sort of fraud is rampant here in South Africa and from what I've heard from people, common in Israel too << Oh you are in fluffypony land?

08:06:44 fluffypony: yup

08:06:55 fluffypony: there are like...THREE of us here!

08:07:17 fluffypony: ok Talisman is on -otc, not here, but same diff

08:07:22 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: My brother's latest dog, likely far fluffier than you or any extant equine

08:07:41 HeySteve: Talisman eh? haven't met him but berndj is another saffa

08:09:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12562 @ 0.00048294 = 6.0667 BTC [+] {3}

08:16:00 fluffypony: oh yeah, olinguito

08:16:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00047729 = 9.2356 BTC [-] {3}

08:17:43 HeySteve: right, he knows his stuff

08:18:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00048513 = 10.6243 BTC [+] {3}

08:21:48 *: BingoBoingo still amazed that the fluffy gene when expressed is a defect in any breed of dog

08:22:34 HeySteve: fluffypony, how are things going your side, and with Monero?

08:24:51 fluffypony: HeySteve: all good

08:24:56 fluffypony: busy busy

08:27:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16122 @ 0.00047677 = 7.6865 BTC [-]

08:31:24 HeySteve: busy touring exotic destinations from what I saw in r/monero!

08:40:21 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/JC5MtVW.png

08:42:19 HeySteve: heh true story. caps comment is a good eg. of poe's law

08:44:23 BingoBoingo: Better to be a shitlord than an Obeast

08:44:56 BingoBoingo: Palpable collarbones are what set us apart from lower animals

08:47:38 punkman: matryoshka caption

08:50:32 BingoBoingo: So, who wants to play a game?

08:52:30 BingoBoingo: About 29 hours ago I offered a challenge people who wanted a chance to establish a history of work in La Serrenisima could tackle. Actual takes have been... disappoint.

08:54:18 BingoBoingo: shinohai: I went to sleep and woke up only to be on the precipice of sleep again. Are you actually considering this or do you want competition?

08:54:59 HeySteve: BingoBoingo, what sort of work are you talking about?

08:55:27 BingoBoingo: HeySteve: In yesterday's logs. Factom or some shit. Filed for an IPO. Total scamception

08:55:50 BingoBoingo: I want a piece that says why with appropriate vitriol

08:56:02 punkman: BingoBoingo: why not write it then?

08:56:23 HeySteve: mmm sounds like a lot of research for me to take on right now

08:57:10 BingoBoingo: punkman: Because honestly. Actual people aren;t losing their shirts on this. Great chance though for marginally people to work towards becoming actual people by demonstrating a knowledge of how the scamception works.

08:57:10 HeySteve: I did question the folks opening up Starbucks about whether they'll accept the Fold app as in like 10 other countries

08:57:24 HeySteve: Starbucks SA^

08:57:47 BingoBoingo: HeySteve: You could do this with more time flipping through sources than reading sources.

09:00:10 HeySteve: well, it does sound like you have a better handle on it. I've never even looked at Factom

09:00:16 BingoBoingo: I am actually more than a tiny bit disappointed that I drop for the crowd a vagina that could queef qntra shares to the extent someone is willing to solidly pump it and... the interest is low

09:00:35 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell cazalla ^ we gotta fix this

09:00:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

09:00:52 HeySteve: BingoBoingo, problem is I'm not comfortable calling something a scam until I'm 100% sure

09:01:33 BingoBoingo: HeySteve: I don't hava a handle on it. I'm not sure it is news at all. It is scam on many levels. My only reservation and the source of my disinterest is... I'm not sure actual people are affected

09:01:36 HeySteve: I've been looking at BTS for weeks and I've still not reached a final verdict

09:01:44 punkman: chukcha not writer, chukcha reader

09:02:27 BingoBoingo: punkman: at some point the greek in you will force you into poetry or sodomy

09:03:35 HeySteve: I did follow the chat a bit. something about early adopter / investor shares being converted to something else, now an IPO?

09:05:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14737 @ 0.00047677 = 7.0262 BTC [-]

09:05:26 BingoBoingo: So far October has been an frustratingly boring part of Bitcoin. I am worried though that Qntra is crossing into its second year and people don't want a giftwrapped chance to write a first story. Is qntra insufficiently established or does this seem too much of a trap. I the cost of fucking up in #b-a seeming too high? I am confused.

09:06:07 BingoBoingo: HeySteve: Some of that. It goes deep like Micheal Bay filming Alice in WOnderland

09:06:32 punkman: risk of ruin from writing article seems nonexistant

09:07:27 BingoBoingo: punkman: There's actually lot of potential for ruin. What I want to know is how people can take that attitude towards risk and not find writng for qntra appealing

09:10:55 BingoBoingo: Writing for qntra is a solid way for people who think gud, but dun code gud to build #b-a cred

09:11:50 punkman: BingoBoingo: well as you said, not sure if it's news. especially considering there's a dozen or three Ether clones with same exact story

09:12:56 HeySteve: perhaps the problem is "say this is a scam" vs "investigate whether this is a scam"

09:13:04 BingoBoingo: punkman: The particular scamcoin failing is not quite news, but a mechanistic documentation of why this one is failing is news.

09:13:47 BingoBoingo: punkman: also weren't you going to write something on Greece being a failed state like Ferguson at some point? Or is Greece still catching up?

09:15:09 BingoBoingo: ;;google site:qntra.net jizzmopers

09:15:09 gribble: No matches found.

09:15:27 BingoBoingo: BingoBoingo> ;;google site:qntra.net jizzmoppers

09:16:14 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gaw-miners-revealed-as-the-jizz-moppers-supreme/

09:16:15 assbot: GAW Miners Revealed As The Jizz Moppers Supreme | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1VWjEwn )

09:17:36 punkman: BingoBoingo: I'm not terribly informed on the situation, but I think I'll do a followup soon

09:18:21 BingoBoingo: Qntra is exactly the way people who can't speak BTC++ can contribute to understanding the BTC ecosystem and, I would really appreciate more submissions on various fiat brokeness seen.

09:19:52 BingoBoingo: pete_duskenski has been great with this as has thestringpuller, this thing is here, for some definitions of queer it is that, and it isn't going away anytime soon

09:20:13 HeySteve: hmm this might be worth a look: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-15/nevada-shuts-down-fantasy-sports-sites-apply-gaming-license-or-face-decade-prison

09:20:15 assbot: Nevada Shuts Down Fantasy Sports Sites: Apply For A Gaming License Or Face A Decade In Prison | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1VWjXY6 )

09:21:28 BingoBoingo: I am abou to pass out and I have a 'different' perspective on that bezzel would like to see others.

09:21:37 HeySteve: my preferred fantasy sports site is of course http://www.fumbbl.com/

09:21:38 assbot: FUMBBL :: Online Blood Bowl League ... ( http://bit.ly/1VWk45K )

09:22:05 BingoBoingo: Not ButtFumbbl?

09:22:18 HeySteve: I don't really know the other meaning. people run a pretend league based on real teams and players?

09:22:30 BingoBoingo: Basically that

09:22:49 HeySteve: ok but how are outcomes decided?

09:23:11 BingoBoingo: Not real teams ever. Fake teams made of real player playing for real teams.

09:24:33 BingoBoingo: Basically only US legal because the scamception involved lets league stakholders pass it off to congress as a "skill game" and not gambling even though it is scammy gambling

09:24:38 cazalla: BingoBoingo, problem is finding people who are passionate about bitcoin and lately for me, i couldn't think of anything more boring than bitcoin

09:25:29 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well, our news child is now a toddler. Imma just trying to get the village involved in its raising

09:26:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00048462 = 21.8321 BTC [+] {6}

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09:36:53 HeySteve: Dear Steven, Thank you for your enquiry around the Fold app. We are not currently looking at virtual currency apps as we are focused on creating a local Starbucks app that will bring a richer online experience to our customers. Thank you for your interest. Regards, Diana

09:37:21 HeySteve: I'd rather have cheaper coffee than a richer online experience but that's just me

09:44:50 punkman: cazalla: why is it boring?

09:45:34 BingoBoingo: Mebbe because I am drunk and my mind is tearing

09:48:04 cazalla: punkman, been a daily thing for almost 3 years for me, just grown tired of it and the conversations about it past few months, i'm not saying "bitcoin is dead" just that i'm tired of talking/reading about it after this long, feel like going to do something else for 6-12 months and looking at it then after a break

09:53:25 punkman: conversations in reddit, #ba, both?

09:55:50 cazalla: here, not reddit, not an attack, just saying having read daily for what, a year now, gets a bit much, spring is in full swing and summer on the way, have a toddler to play with, need to find a full job again, something gotta give i guess, the whole bitcoin thing is something i just want to pack up in a box and look at again in a year

09:56:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14924 @ 0.00048635 = 7.2583 BTC [+] {4}

09:56:48 davout: bonjour tout le monde

09:57:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2386 @ 0.00048742 = 1.163 BTC [+]

10:09:34 kakobrekla: >at least we have bugs because it means that we're doing something, we're actually innovating whereas a lot of our competitors don't have bugs because they don't change

10:09:45 kakobrekla: bugs ftw

10:10:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00048672 = 8.0309 BTC [-] {2}

10:11:42 punkman: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/H96566k.jpg

10:11:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwK2rF )

10:12:08 BingoBoingo: Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck, compile errors, FUCK!!! WHat was so wrong with even-s.

10:14:32 punkman: BingoBoingo: are you backporting?

10:15:26 BingoBoingo: punkman: I'm trying to bring low-s signing to 0.5.x and 0.7.x but the existing shit is in a worthless different fucking language.

10:17:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12969 @ 0.00048019 = 6.2276 BTC [-]

10:17:42 BingoBoingo: I've been drinking vodka and banging my head against this for about 8 hours nao off and on. I feel way too angry for a 116/67 blood pressure reading.

10:18:17 BingoBoingo: I think I might be broken on a fundamental level. Or maybe I'm drunk naked and cold and ought to close the windows...

10:20:33 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300192 << https://archive.is/QB135#selection-1477.1-1477.56

10:20:33 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 04:52:30; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Can we at least come to a consensus that oral sex is not a deviant form of sodomy

10:20:33 assbot: Archived Blog 6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mtqa3a )

10:21:42 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Swallowing cum though supports female fertility in a way that is tied to the specific man cumming

10:23:52 danielpbarron: >> Having Oral Sex - no (in marriage, see Song of Solomon) << the "no" is an answer to the question "is it a sin?"

10:24:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00048759 = 3.0231 BTC [+] {3}

10:31:28 shinohai: Why would a god even care about my sex life?

10:31:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00047939 = 6.2081 BTC [-] {2}

10:32:31 BingoBoingo: shinohai: Why does Lucifer run a bar in LA? Some things aren't for us mortals to sympathize with.

10:33:07 shinohai: Lucifer is tight though.

10:35:22 danielpbarron: shinohai, 1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body[a] and in your spirit, which are God's.

10:36:19 danielpbarron: and what is a "sex life" anyway?

10:36:29 danielpbarron: is it like a "black life" ?

10:38:29 BingoBoingo: Nah, it is more like a "blue life" whatever the fuck that is, but apparently billboards are telling me nao that blue lives matter

10:38:45 shinohai: Ok, so if your body is a temple for worshiping god, then you want god to have a good time, ammi rite?

10:39:40 shinohai: I mean, he's up there where it's boring all the time. Maybe he doesn't know what great fun it is to snort heroin off a tranny's cock.

10:52:06 davout: fluffypony: know anything about this? --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1209440

10:52:07 assbot: Mea culpa (DBT, Wadii Rachid, Rayane) ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtsBD2 )

11:00:34 cazalla: poor totalbiscuit, but still, amusing https://archive.is/kHZm7 http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snlj3r

11:00:35 assbot: Twitter / Totalbiscuit: @Seanza get cancer and die ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwMj5Z )

11:00:36 assbot: TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwMj63 )

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11:18:54 shinohai: http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/41138/security/dronedefender-electromagnetic-gun.htm

11:18:57 assbot: DroneDefender, electromagnetic gun that shoot down dronesSecurity Affairs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mtu7F3 )

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11:55:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00047853 = 4.3068 BTC [-] {3}

11:57:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300167 << i'll tell you why anal. it builds character.

11:57:58 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 03:28:54; danielpbarron: exactly. why anal?

11:58:33 mircea_popescu: the interesection between neurotic women and women that take it in the ass with some regularity is practically nil.

11:58:58 mircea_popescu: ask every annoying woman that you know whether she habitually engages in anal sex, be surprised at the universal absence of the behaviour.

11:59:42 mircea_popescu: "why anal ?" is in the same vein as "why go to school". because, obviously, "whoever likes me will like me for me as i am!!1"

11:59:51 mircea_popescu: except... you aren't.

12:00:19 kakobrekla: is it "i own your ass" or is it "i own you vagoo" ?

12:00:30 shinohai: "On the merits of Anal Intercourse." by mircea_popescu

12:00:33 mircea_popescu: lol. well it's both.

12:01:09 shinohai: I would gladly put that book on my mantelpiece if you were to pen it.

12:01:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300170 << neither of these is particularly true, ftr. on one hand, ass can dilate to about six inches diameter in mostly all humans ; whereas it's true that cunt can dilate to eight or above, this is besides the point, god help you if your cock is over two.

12:01:26 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 03:29:25; BingoBoingo: Anal, because tighter, more stimulating

12:01:46 mircea_popescu: moreover, if tighter and/or more stimulating were the point, why not fuck the keyhole / the hot plate.

12:01:55 mircea_popescu: they're respectively even tighter and even more stimulating.

12:04:05 mircea_popescu: but in more granular terms, anal is necessarily less stimulating than vaginal simply because the ass is a U whereas the vagina is a /\. only one of these is designed to give the penis the sort of stimulation it expects, ie, crescendo. or in other words : no cervix in the colon, and no constrictive muscular reaction to protect an absent cervix in the colon muscles.

12:04:38 mircea_popescu: there you go shinohai.

12:07:49 mircea_popescu: as to why not anal, firstly because you're probably too young and you'll move suddenly and jerkily like too young people do and hurt her ; and secondly because you live in the sticks and will give yourself an uti because you can't afford condoms ; and thirdly because you'e insane and who the fuck knows what nonsense you'll do with it (the us porn people are a fine example with their anal desinfectants and bleaching and

12:07:49 mircea_popescu: whatnot).

12:10:41 shinohai: !s The Last Psychiatrist anal

12:10:41 assbot: 0 results for 'The Last Psychiatrist anal' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=The+Last+Psychiatrist+anal

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12:44:59 mircea_popescu: !up Zuardi

12:45:03 mircea_popescu: doh

12:45:57 mircea_popescu: !up Zuardi

12:46:05 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabrielradio http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-christian-europe-and-other-aberrant-notions/

12:46:06 assbot: The "Christian Europe" and other aberrant notions on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHouaN )

12:46:06 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:46:07 Zuardi: hi, thanks, I am still catching up with all fraudsters posts and this channel's log :)

12:46:15 mircea_popescu: cheers.

12:51:19 mircea_popescu: perhaps vaguely interesting to asciilifeform : in the comments of the original article (see http://fraudsters.com/2011/europa-crestina-si-alte-aberatii/#comment-71835 etc) a very familiar mechanism is at work : christian dude (who is otherwise a very clever, and well respected, commenter there), after exhausting the attempts to plead to authority ("oh you aren't qualified to discuss ; oh merkel is from a party called chri

12:51:20 assbot: Europa crestina si alte aberatii on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHp9Ju )

12:51:20 mircea_popescu: stian something and german technology is best" etc, moves on to proposing that i am trying to diminish the importance of x. ie, he is proposing that i accept the form of his argument (xtianity matters) and debate the conclusions, in his terms.

12:51:44 mircea_popescu: obviously i refuse this approach, but note the method for chrissakes. 2011, in obscure language, on obscure topic nobody gives a shit about.

12:52:35 mircea_popescu: to me this strictly means that the methods "of government" are merely the methods of educated stupidity, there's nothing else there. whenever a stupid part of one's worldview tries to avail itself of the power justly earned by other parts to maintain itself, you got a government talking. and it talks the same way EVERY TIME.

12:52:53 mircea_popescu: whether it's 300 million strong or just in one retired engineer's head, the same damned vocabulary, style and grammar.

12:55:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00047768 = 2.5317 BTC [-]

13:00:37 fluffypony: davout: reading it now

13:01:59 deedbot-: [fraudsters] The "Christian Europe" and other aberrant notions - http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-christian-europe-and-other-aberrant-notions/

13:02:11 davout: doesn't appear to me it's anyone but his loss

13:02:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00048238 = 3.6661 BTC [+]

13:02:21 davout: *anyone's

13:02:56 fluffypony: yeah

13:03:16 fluffypony: well lots of people told him at the beginning that those guys were dodgy

13:04:26 davout: public mea culpa is pretty respectable though if you ask me

13:10:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300194 << is it fun ?

13:10:16 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 04:58:27; bagels7: I make whore dollars with my whore mouth

13:14:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00048768 = 6.5837 BTC [+] {3}

13:19:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300253 << very easy to challenge. "you want these keys back ? pay up."

13:19:35 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 07:50:28; HeySteve: when a landlord retains a tenant's rental deposit without justification. very common around the world and hard to challenge legally

13:19:58 mircea_popescu: and if he doesn't, well, twice the deposit worth of damage + whatever it costs him to break in should be just about fair.

13:20:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300260 << so you don't return, leave them notice of breach.

13:20:34 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 07:55:20; HeySteve: punkman, it varies. often they overcharge for minor damages or make a point of being absent when the tenant is required to return the keys

13:20:52 mircea_popescu: seriously, you're going to invent a blockchain way to make losers not be beaten up by their betters ? because why.

13:21:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300272 << how many landlords did you talk to ?

13:21:31 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 08:01:03; HeySteve: this sort of fraud is rampant here in South Africa and from what I've heard from people, common in Israel too

13:21:44 mircea_popescu: this "o noes we are opressed" talk is the stock in trade of the worthless class. for good reason.

13:23:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300279 << so a) you'll spend your life driving between bickering nuts. this is a worse deal than what psychs get, at least there you gotta drive to his office. ; b) the blockchain and everything else is entirely superfluous here. your entire idea is "hey, make me the mp of renting in south africa". maybe they will or maybe they won't but you really don't need the funny ha

13:23:33 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 08:05:02; HeySteve: I'll require evidence from tenant and landlord at start and end of contract and arbitrate based on that

13:23:33 mircea_popescu: t. hire some dudes with guns offer the old style protection if you got what it takes. and if you do not, i'll just talk to the actual dudes in question and you'll eat your own ass so fast you'll be on youtube.

13:24:55 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300277 << not unlike the idea that if liberland takes off, it'll attract good people by declaring their allegiance to a country.

13:24:55 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 08:03:55; HeySteve: if the scheme takes off, it's also a way for honest landlords to attract tenants by declaring their compliance to a standard

13:25:00 mircea_popescu: guess what - that's not how it works.

13:25:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300292 << chow chow gottra be fluyffy neh ?

13:25:46 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 08:21:48; *: BingoBoingo still amazed that the fluffy gene when expressed is a defect in any breed of dog

13:25:57 mircea_popescu: but otherwise yes, fluffy is actually a deffect. just like blue eyes.

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13:30:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300331 << this shit's so lulzy...

13:30:22 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 09:11:50; punkman: BingoBoingo: well as you said, not sure if it's news. especially considering there's a dozen or three Ether clones with same exact story

13:30:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24882 @ 0.00048802 = 12.1429 BTC [+]

13:31:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo methinks yo uchase way too hard.

13:32:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300354 << the problem is more in the lines of "finding excited people that aren't idiots".

13:32:37 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 09:24:38; cazalla: BingoBoingo, problem is finding people who are passionate about bitcoin and lately for me, i couldn't think of anything more boring than bitcoin

13:32:44 mircea_popescu: the idiot crowd is generally excited enough.

13:33:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300364 << so have fun what, not like it's going anywhere.

13:33:39 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 09:55:50; cazalla: here, not reddit, not an attack, just saying having read daily for what, a year now, gets a bit much, spring is in full swing and summer on the way, have a toddler to play with, need to find a full job again, something gotta give i guess, the whole bitcoin thing is something i just want to pack up in a box and look at again in a year

13:34:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300368 << "yes my kitchen's infested but at least im cooking!"

13:34:25 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 10:09:34; kakobrekla: >at least we have bugs because it means that we're doing something, we're actually innovating whereas a lot of our competitors don't have bugs because they don't change

13:34:29 mircea_popescu: seems legit.

13:34:58 mircea_popescu: !up Jautenim

13:35:32 Jautenim: wrt http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295983

13:35:32 assbot: Logged on 10-10-2015 12:08:05; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gnupg-1.4.10.tar.gz.asc

13:35:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300377 << lol this guy. first he wants to box a steel crossbeam. then he wants to fuck with codemess off the cuff while haranguing people about their writing habits. you ever heard of PACE bingo ? hm ?

13:35:46 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 10:17:42; BingoBoingo: I've been drinking vodka and banging my head against this for about 8 hours nao off and on. I feel way too angry for a 116/67 blood pressure reading.

13:35:56 Jautenim: was that noticed/discussed > http://dpaste.com/3RWJER1

13:35:58 assbot: dpaste: 3RWJER1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LS1vF4 )

13:36:00 mircea_popescu: Jautenim what about it ?

13:36:06 Jautenim: apparently same contents, different packaging

13:36:58 mircea_popescu: it was not.

13:37:03 mircea_popescu: is it exactly the same content ?

13:37:16 Jautenim: according to diff, yes

13:37:20 mircea_popescu: (this isn't a current file, it is a historical version)

13:37:21 mircea_popescu: aha.

13:37:35 mircea_popescu: so they at some point changed packaging to make it 10x bigger ?!

13:37:57 mircea_popescu: no wait, it's really 1.5mb lighter that makes sense. ok.

13:38:26 mircea_popescu: !rated Jautenim

13:38:26 assbot: You rated user Jautenim on 18-May-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood..

13:39:19 mircea_popescu: cool.

13:40:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00048802 = 5.9294 BTC [+]

13:41:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300389 << soon to come to a DMV near you!

13:41:24 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 10:35:22; danielpbarron: shinohai, 1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body[a] and in your spirit, which are God's.

13:44:34 mircea_popescu: The DroneDefender can help protect us from those who may wish to do us harm,? said Dan Stamm, who led the research project. ?It can help us in numerous settings, from the White House lawn to bases and embassies overseas; from prisons and schools to historic sites. It easily and reliably neutralizes the threat.?

13:44:36 mircea_popescu: herp.

13:45:42 mircea_popescu: "Faisant fi des conseils avis?s de nombre d'entre vous, j'ai pers?v?r? avec cette personne, me disant que je dois arr?ter d'abandonner juste avant la ligne d'arriv?e, ne pas m'arr?ter ? la premi?re h?sitation, penser par moi-m?me et non par les autres, etc.

13:45:42 mircea_popescu: J'ai eu tord."

13:45:43 mircea_popescu: oookay.

13:49:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00048031 = 10.903 BTC [-] {4}

13:49:45 davout: lit. "I had bent" instead of "I was wrong" :D

13:49:52 mircea_popescu: aha

13:50:17 mircea_popescu: the name is very vaguely familiar, latapie, but i can't place it.

13:50:32 davout: he showed up a coupla times here

13:50:37 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00026077 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/#b28

13:50:53 davout: he's also with fluffypony in monero

13:51:39 fluffypony: he's a good guy

13:51:45 davout: also if you're curious what a really thick accent from toulouse sounds like, listen to him

13:51:51 fluffypony: but he *is* overly trusting

13:52:11 mircea_popescu: a right.

13:54:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41370 @ 0.00047898 = 19.8154 BTC [-] {3}

13:59:49 mircea_popescu: aaand in other news, http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-the-federal-government-now-holds-nearly-50-of-all-residential-mortgages-2015-10-16

13:59:50 assbot: Why the federal government now holds nearly 50% of all residential mortgages - MarketWatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhIek6 )

14:00:18 mircea_popescu: pretty good huh.

14:02:23 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, perhaps, http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/10/the_media_is_the_message.html

14:02:29 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Media Is The Message, And The Message Is You're An Idiot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhIsrv )

14:02:34 mircea_popescu: It is the same guys, over and over again, each in their own space, and by default we assume they are the most knowledgeable, or the most rigorous; have the most information or are best able to remain objective. Or maybe we simply hope they'll be good enough.

14:02:34 mircea_popescu: But having the same guys means that we'll be getting the same philosophies, the same filters, the same phrases. We are guaranteeing not just groupthink, but we're allowing others to decide what we're going to talk about, how we'll talk about it. That's why "gay marriage" will disappear not when gays can marry but when a new set of media people get jobs and "gay marriage" isn't as interesting to them. The actual im

14:02:34 mircea_popescu: portance of "gay marriage" in the world is not at all the important question-- it may be extremely relevant, or not at all, but that's irrelevant. Why we're stuck with "bipolar disorder" until, I don't know, the neo-analysts return with their talk of "repressed thyroid energy" or something, but emphatically not because we discover anything qualitatively new about bipolar.

14:02:41 mircea_popescu: And so it goes. If you wonder why you seem ADHD or anxious, it may be that you are being told certain things are horribly important, yet you can't seem to feel it; meanwhile you are also being told the things you thought were important are trivial. \

14:17:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98130 @ 0.0004879 = 47.8776 BTC [+] {3}

14:17:38 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/648431538896551936/jNtsqWIu.png << ahahahahaha!

14:17:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhK7Nw )

14:17:40 thestringpuller: The result of quantitive easing.

14:18:44 davout: mircea_popescu: lol fuck you

14:18:51 mircea_popescu: no, no... lol

14:19:24 mircea_popescu: i just had no idea such a respectable, fetching jeune leader was under all that muck and grime and long curly hair is all +{:D

14:20:06 mircea_popescu: where's the sweater ?

14:20:17 davout: heh, that's what happens when bored at a wedding, waiting for the booze to be served

14:20:18 mircea_popescu: you didn't get sheared for naught, i should hope ? :D

14:20:27 davout: "let's go make some linkedin pix"

14:20:31 mircea_popescu: lol

14:21:02 davout: i tried to get fanny to make *something* out of it

14:21:19 davout: too technical apparently

14:21:26 mircea_popescu: it's a great pic, srsly.

14:21:36 mircea_popescu: very funny to me/us, sure, but that's besides the point.

14:21:50 davout: has me on it; better be a fucking great pic :D

14:21:55 mircea_popescu: lol

14:36:44 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300495 << we had this here before. gnu tar versions.

14:36:44 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 13:36:06; Jautenim: apparently same contents, different packaging

14:38:09 shinohai: 'One writer of the period noted that he could never feel comfortable tipping a white person, since the practice should be reserved for “Negroes.” ' http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/opinion/why-tipping-is-wrong.html?

14:38:17 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1RMshDS )

14:38:36 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300456 << where i live, 'return keys' is a ceremonial thing, landlord traditionally changes lock each time

14:38:36 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 13:19:35; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300253 << very easy to challenge. "you want these keys back ? pay up."

14:39:06 mircea_popescu: no, you do.

14:39:30 asciilifeform: wai wat

14:39:48 mircea_popescu: ...\

14:40:13 asciilifeform: ah

14:41:58 asciilifeform: also lulzily, where i live, not only tenants 'feel oppressed' by landlord, but (small-time) landlords also 'oh noez we are oppressed' by tenants!

14:42:07 mircea_popescu: so yes, it;'s a contract like any other, it ends upon specific performance.

14:42:22 mircea_popescu: if breached, the breaching party carries the cost of the whole story.

14:42:29 mircea_popescu: well sure.

14:42:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the rub is that enforcement of the contract typically requires money. or, at the very least, time.

14:42:52 asciilifeform: (to show up in court, press the issue, etc)

14:42:59 mircea_popescu: if you don't have money your opinion about what you did is wrong.

14:43:04 mircea_popescu: this is what "not having money" means.

14:43:14 mircea_popescu: just like, if your mark is bad, your opinion of what you know is wrong.

14:43:30 mircea_popescu: just like, if flies won't fuck you, your opinion of what's attractive is wrong. and so on.

14:43:50 asciilifeform: where i live, it more typically means that you are 'more distant from the pipeline'

14:43:59 asciilifeform: on account of not having chosen your parents carefully.

14:44:04 mircea_popescu: mno.

14:44:13 mircea_popescu: this is what the poor pretend it means. it never ever does.

14:44:36 mircea_popescu: (and amusingly, the poor pretend this is an exceptional time-and-place thing but pretend so ubiquitously and at all times.)

14:44:52 mircea_popescu: kinda lulzily parallels the entire "i'm special in my you're special t shirt"

14:45:54 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if your mark is bad << what a british way to say "grade"

14:46:00 mircea_popescu: haha i guess huh

14:46:18 asciilifeform: yeah yeah if you aren't on a nietzschean atomic dirigible you're nothing, i get it

14:46:59 mircea_popescu: not the point!

15:02:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00047837 = 4.975 BTC [-]

15:02:43 deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] X.EUR October 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-october-16th-statement/

15:03:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to get to the bottom of this matter, let's approach it from a more convenient angle.

15:03:57 mircea_popescu: so, in some places/cultures, it is the habit that young men committing marriage PAY to the parents of the young bride a sum of money.

15:04:10 mircea_popescu: in some other places/cultures, the habit is the reverse : the parents pay the young man to take her.

15:04:20 mircea_popescu: in which of these two would you say the poor are being gypped ?

15:08:59 davout: do tell!

15:11:17 mircea_popescu: well obviously it's a trick question. in pastoral communities/other situations where the land is well under carrying capacity, the young man pays, because the old folk could have just drunk and made merry, but instead they put the effort into raising the filly / rose garden / whatever the dude's gonna enjoy. so they should get something for their trouble.

15:11:39 mircea_popescu: conversely, in lands at carrying capacity, the old dudes gotta pay the young dude for their unwarranted priviledge of having occupied a plot of land, which he can not do.

15:11:50 mircea_popescu: this, so as to prevent the young people from just burning the whole thing.

15:12:32 mircea_popescu: and when inheritance changes from male only to both children, as it did in post fedual sicily, the obligation moves from her parents (as he will inherit HIS parents but not hers) to "both parents" which quickly devolves into a sort of "what rich man in the comunity wishes to sponsor this festival"

15:12:55 mircea_popescu: aka, pay for all our sins, as we can't afford to do it. and so you get godfathers, and get to enjoy the movie. that's his role in the community : that he pays your blodgelt for you.

15:13:34 mircea_popescu: these are tacit arrangements, you will notice : nobody bothered to type out nicely the rousseau contract of it all, nor bothered to ask the poor to sign, or even explain it to them. because fuck them they're not worth it.

15:13:52 mircea_popescu: but it is NEVER the case that the poor are being gypped by this. whatever the law of the land is, they're getting it back in some other form.

15:14:05 davout: first part sorta reducing to "we'll give you money with the girl to make make rape and pillage less profitable than civilized marriage" ?

15:14:16 mircea_popescu: so, if here the landlords rent out for 10 a month but you gotta pay 10 in advance "as guarantee" and there they rent out for 11 a month but you don't,

15:14:18 mircea_popescu: it's the same story.

15:14:28 mircea_popescu: davout exactly and strictly, yes.

15:15:06 mircea_popescu: and this obviously only affects the poor to any degree - if antinous had or hadn't a trousseau or if he had to pay some homonymous coins, hadrianus couldn't have cared less.

15:15:26 mircea_popescu: meanwhile - there are not enough rich people around to have the same sort of "what's done" thing going. and so they must have contracts.

15:15:57 mircea_popescu: but to say you can't afford contracts AND YET you think you were gypped is basically juust to swear and attest you're poor. of course you'd think that, that's why you're poor : cause you're stupid.

15:16:22 mircea_popescu: too stupid to understand how things work and why, dumb enough to focus on one metric and forget about the others ("hey, engagement is hard to measure!") etc.

15:19:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28284 @ 0.00047835 = 13.5297 BTC [-] {3}

15:23:38 mircea_popescu: "psychothis is underdiagnosed" is exactly like the court's idea that the population is juridically underserved. not so - you can't have things that are definitionally for the few (because the few don't benefit from the banal commonality of the many, soi they need something else to allow society to function).

15:24:17 mircea_popescu: in a world where evereyone's deemed a gentleman, you will need ~five times the population in lawyers. and it's all a colossal waste of time anwyay, only about 1% or so of the population actually gets in relationships complex enough to merit memorialization

15:24:29 mircea_popescu: which is what drives the de-professionalization of lawyers and so on and so forth.

15:24:53 mircea_popescu: out of line equalitarianism is at the root of ALL social ills in the western world today, not just one or another.

15:42:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10952 @ 0.00047795 = 5.2345 BTC [-] {3}

16:13:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9837 @ 0.00047714 = 4.6936 BTC [-] {2}

16:16:46 gabrielradio: ladies and gentlemen, step right up

16:16:53 gabrielradio: we have here none other than the 2nd most read article of fraudsters, now available for your literary delight in good old english

16:17:02 gabrielradio: without further ado - http://pastebin.com/qGE3C9R0

16:17:03 assbot: How to suck the cock – guide for half a blowjob - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1NMr7d5 )

16:19:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27646 @ 0.00047749 = 13.2007 BTC [+] {3}

16:33:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14590 @ 0.00047672 = 6.9553 BTC [-]

16:41:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00048017 = 8.0909 BTC [+] {3}

16:50:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00048183 = 8.697 BTC [+] {3}

16:57:20 punkman: "At the click of a button he sends it to a thousand matches. After half an hour no-one has responded. Worse, there’s a bounce message from some stuck-up arsehole saying he’s been blocked. He tries to argue with the bounce message, threatening to report it to the Internet Police for curtailing his Freedom of Expression. “We int doing nuffink wrong” Shithead mutters."

16:59:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00048259 = 8.1316 BTC [+] {3}

17:20:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00047672 = 8.3664 BTC [-] {2}

17:37:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00047863 = 6.6051 BTC [+] {3}

17:48:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27017 @ 0.00047672 = 12.8795 BTC [-]

17:59:17 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRcY1VzUwAANCSA.jpg:large

17:59:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OJ6FYW )

18:12:33 ben_vulpes: http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/blog/health-care-inc/2015/10/oregon-health-insurer-to-shutter-advises-15-000.html?ana=e_ptl_bn_breakingnews&u=RnoMHlJFWJ1SB8jxKS3pGQ00e35605&t=1445016484

18:12:34 assbot: Oregon health insurer to shutter, advises 15,000 customers to find other plans - Portland Business Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1X9z4ug )

18:13:03 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:13:10 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: yours ?

18:13:27 ben_vulpes: "the federal government announced if would pay only 12.6 percent of what is owed to insurers under the “risk corridor” program" << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-10-2015#1299461

18:13:27 assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 15:47:33; mircea_popescu: if government does it, it's governance.

18:13:39 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: odds are that mine is on the chopping block.

18:14:01 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: the whole shebang is on the chopping block. only question is re: the order and timing.

18:23:53 mircea_popescu: gabrielradio it's "guide for half the oral sex". see, because two sexes ?

18:23:59 mircea_popescu: not half a blowjob.

18:25:27 mircea_popescu: !t m s.qntr

18:25:27 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00015 / 0.00016455 / 0.000178 (1283 shares, 0.21 BTC), 7D: 0.00015 / 0.0002234 / 0.00023879 (6190 shares, 1.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00015 / 0.00023944 / 0.00034239 (42650 shares, 10.21 BTC)

18:25:58 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 314238*.2* 0.00016455

18:25:58 gribble: 10.34157258

18:26:37 mircea_popescu: so BingoBoingo, since cazalla's getting out, i figure 10 btc for his chunk should be good enough ? (what you think cazalla ?). you wanna go halves with me in it ?

18:46:53 mircea_popescu: ahaha well the federal government could of course pay them in ious.

18:48:17 ben_vulpes: what's going to happen is that the federal government will continue to subsidize through irs

18:48:42 mircea_popescu: yes, it's generally how "failed states" go : the last resort subsidy is through poor tax collection.

18:48:48 ben_vulpes: ehuehueahueha

18:48:49 mircea_popescu: welcome to mexico.

18:49:00 ben_vulpes: /intentional/ poor tax collection?

18:49:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00047704 = 10.2087 BTC [+] {4}

18:49:08 ben_vulpes: it just looks like welfare by another name.

18:49:09 mircea_popescu: define "intentional"

18:49:17 mircea_popescu: what the fuck do you think happens unintentionally ?

18:49:30 mircea_popescu: "i'm not fat because i want to, it's just my genes"

18:49:43 mircea_popescu: "we don't poorly collect because intentionally, it's just hard to do!!1"

18:50:58 ben_vulpes: "we're not collecting poorly, we're denoting this group for large refunds at the end of the year"

18:51:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 1.39028209 BTC to 10`000`000 shares, 13 satoshi per share

18:51:03 ben_vulpes: marking, rather

18:51:10 mircea_popescu: aha

18:51:17 mircea_popescu: "we're still in control over here"

18:51:35 ben_vulpes: and those refund checks are turkey-buyin-dollars

18:51:51 ben_vulpes: well no, nobody's arguing that they're in control.

18:51:57 ben_vulpes: they've made promises that are going to bankrupt them.

18:52:04 ben_vulpes: "affordable health insurance!"

18:52:26 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:52:40 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: wai wut, as if they were not bankrupt already long ago ?

18:52:44 ben_vulpes: the right thereto...

18:53:43 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: when did the weimar republic go bankrupt?

18:53:56 mircea_popescu: NEVER!1!1

18:54:07 ascii_field: ^

18:54:09 mircea_popescu: nobel prize economist said you can never go bankrupt borrowing in your own currency and so it's true

18:56:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6688 @ 0.00047935 = 3.2059 BTC [+]

19:02:11 ben_vulpes: yeah what the hell *does* it mean to be bankrupt when you can print the notes in which your loans are denominated?

19:02:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24494 @ 0.00048638 = 11.9134 BTC [+] {4}

19:02:51 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: it means - if it means anything - that the music stops.

19:03:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6112 @ 0.00048622 = 2.9718 BTC [-]

19:03:31 ben_vulpes: sure, but that it *will* stop, or that it *has* stopped?

19:03:42 ascii_field: that it has.

19:05:06 ben_vulpes: eh so the place has a decade left before 'bankrupt' if such has meaning outside of bitcoin

19:06:23 mircea_popescu: the place has as long as the chinese please.

19:06:32 mircea_popescu: a week or a century, ask mr xi.

19:08:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 137.10466440 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 27 satoshi per share

19:08:35 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0681V2X.txt

19:08:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gi3HJF )

19:08:41 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/06WQVW9.txt

19:08:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gi3GoV )

19:08:42 deedbot-: accepted: 1

19:09:28 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/06WQVW9.txt

19:09:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gi3GoV )

19:09:30 deedbot-: accepted: 1

19:09:37 trinque: weird.

19:09:43 *: trinque looks at logs

19:09:50 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300596 << for my education: what would it look like, in mircea_popescu's picture, for the poor to be properly gypped ?

19:09:50 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 15:13:52; mircea_popescu: but it is NEVER the case that the poor are being gypped by this. whatever the law of the land is, they're getting it back in some other form.

19:10:20 mircea_popescu: ascii_field what would PROPERLY written perl look like ?

19:10:21 ascii_field: does one divide by zero just by asking this ?

19:10:24 mircea_popescu: yes.

19:11:19 ascii_field: does mircea_popescu recall his own article re: how the caveat re: treating people as cows, is that one must first make sure the entire lot actually ~is~ bovine ?

19:11:24 mircea_popescu: trinque they just overlapped, seems fine.

19:11:34 mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes.

19:12:04 trinque: yeh, looked like it went in

19:12:08 mircea_popescu: this is the process whereby it's made sure. as the guy describes. "deposit fraud". hey check it out, some dcs charge a set-up fee. "dc fraud". herp.

19:13:03 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: iirc thread was about fraud proper, where contract promises 'you get this back' but the response is 'haha, whatchagonnadoaboutit'

19:13:42 ascii_field: nobody promises to give dc setup fee back.

19:13:49 mircea_popescu: not my reading.

19:14:34 mircea_popescu: we don't have the contract before our eyes, but im willing to bet it reads "and renter to return place IN THE SAME CONDITION" which by tradition is interpreted in that locale that you pay for the fumigation after you're done in the shape of an upfront thing.

19:14:55 mircea_popescu: words mean nothing in and of themselves, and the pretense to the contrary is always self-serving bullshit when deployed in such contexts, "oh, i can't afford to litigate"

19:14:57 ascii_field: can't speak for other side of the atlantic, but over here 'security deposit' is to be returned to the tenant when he leaves, minus repair costs, the latter to be presented in writing and with receipts from repairmen

19:15:05 mircea_popescu: the REASON you can't afford to litigate is THAT you are making bullshit up.

19:15:27 mircea_popescu: and did you not get your deposit back ?

19:16:45 ascii_field: well, interestingly, i personally did. the last time i checked out of a flat. but knew others, who rented in same building, who did not, and without any particularly good reason other than 'landlord knew they hadn't what to sue with'

19:17:05 mircea_popescu: but anyway, all of this is nonsense. if IN GENERAL landlords keep the deposit, then IT IS JUST A COST. like part of the cost of renting. and if you somehow magically push this valve shut,

19:17:10 mircea_popescu: guess the fuck what ? rents are going to go up!

19:17:12 mircea_popescu: herpitty-derp.

19:17:21 thestringpuller: renting vs buying: a choice between two bowls of shit in the US

19:17:21 mircea_popescu: that's the point. that nominalism never fixed anything.

19:17:25 ascii_field: this - yes

19:17:29 mircea_popescu: well that's all it is.

19:17:34 mircea_popescu: "the poor never get gypped". this.

19:17:46 thestringpuller: either pay the government scandalous property taxes, or get butt fucked by a landlord

19:18:01 mircea_popescu: and "knew others" is also bullshit. you knew others in the sense of what they chose to present

19:18:11 mircea_popescu: \were they your slaves ? did you know them in the penis-in-colon sense ?

19:18:28 ascii_field: nope.

19:18:41 mircea_popescu: so then for all you know they smoked in a non-smoking place.

19:18:46 ascii_field: i didn't hang'em up upside-down and connect to the mains to get the truth, no.

19:18:58 mircea_popescu: so i'll just discount it.

19:21:22 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The problem. It’s not “in the industry.” It’s inside of you. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/16/the-problem-its-not-in-the-industry-its-inside-of-you/

19:24:06 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

19:26:14 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: back to the 'poor' thread, i can't comment re: your planet, but on mine we have no shortage of imbeciles with fat wallets and penniless erdöses

19:26:39 mircea_popescu: is it ?

19:26:49 ascii_field: precisely why should the latter consider the former 'their betters' ?

19:26:53 mircea_popescu: because from what i hear on your planet the life expectancy of lottery winner is 3 years.

19:26:56 mircea_popescu: seems to be working fine.

19:27:03 ascii_field: smart folks don't play

19:27:23 mircea_popescu: not germane, is it ?

19:27:50 ascii_field: sure is. lottery players are drawn from the stinking-poor. while i'm describing the cultured-poor.

19:29:36 mircea_popescu: your desire to enact this difference is noted.

19:30:00 mircea_popescu: but from what i hear the "cultured poor" a la ers fare not much better.

19:30:04 mircea_popescu: maybe the 3 is a 7.

19:30:22 ascii_field: where do i go to see this ?

19:30:36 mircea_popescu: to the logs! remember, we were mocking him last week ?

19:30:48 ascii_field: who ?

19:31:56 mircea_popescu: erric raymond

19:32:23 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you reminded me of story of girl who sold a company in college for a couple million and then ended up overdosing the next day

19:32:31 ascii_field: 1) he wasn't paid in genuine money 2) i'm not convinced that he's a cultured man

19:32:39 ascii_field: *wasn't rich in

19:32:40 mircea_popescu: oic.

19:32:44 mircea_popescu: lol.k.

19:34:35 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller die young leave a corpse with nice tits, eh ?

19:35:23 ascii_field: thestringpuller: overdosed on what? caviar ?

19:36:19 mircea_popescu: buttsex

19:36:44 mircea_popescu: ftr - you CAN get sick from too much caviar. and it's not fucking pretty.

19:36:48 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041206 << see also

19:36:48 assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 06:52:52; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: does engl. have a catch-term for 'fatal buggery' ?

19:37:21 mircea_popescu: kik

19:39:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00047671 = 15.9221 BTC [-]

19:50:20 mircea_popescu: and in the truly scary range, http://33.media.tumblr.com/26d8988a0402af90925cb5cf83c68db8/tumblr_nujj9vaoUA1u5ddqjo1_400.gif

19:50:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MukVQZ )

19:55:54 ben_vulpes: looks like 'dexter'

19:58:11 mircea_popescu: whassat ? not the cartoon ?

19:59:27 ben_vulpes: neat hbo show about a serial killer

19:59:34 mircea_popescu: a

19:59:42 ben_vulpes: works as a homicide lab tech

20:00:11 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/fb02d6cdd0d2794db550661625d5468f/tumblr_nvv5k9KdED1usuisio1_1280.gif

20:00:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxnFCq )

20:01:59 ben_vulpes: flesh

20:02:03 ben_vulpes: surprisingly resilient

20:02:27 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:02:34 ascii_field: good ol'strappado

20:06:11 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo methinks yo uchase way too hard. << Ah

20:06:57 mircea_popescu: o, also http://38.media.tumblr.com/aafd26d24253d47e8d506b54187ede26/tumblr_nn7r8dCZb81uswp8qo1_500.gif

20:06:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mumnmm )

20:07:51 VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu: Someone made a documentary about that site(looks like Brent Scott) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_Sexual_Horror tits girl

20:07:52 assbot: Graphic Sexual Horror - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MumpL4 )

20:08:22 mircea_popescu: o.O

20:14:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16025 @ 0.00047671 = 7.6393 BTC [-]

20:15:08 mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/S%26P500_(1950-12).jpg <<< bwaghahaha

20:15:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pxopav )

20:15:10 mircea_popescu: no inflation!

20:23:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00047637 = 8.1459 BTC [-] {2}

20:43:38 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: can't you see where they take the extra money out?!

20:56:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00047961 = 7.1942 BTC [-]

20:59:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25020 @ 0.00048277 = 12.0789 BTC [+] {4}

21:10:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00048648 = 8.1729 BTC [+]

21:12:37 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300479 <<< this is actually what i mean, i guess i should flesh out my thoughts a bit more before mashing enter

21:12:37 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 13:32:37; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300354 << the problem is more in the lines of "finding excited people that aren't idiots".

21:15:11 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes extra money ? lol.

21:15:14 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300641 <<< sounds reasonable provided bb gives his OK

21:15:14 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 18:26:37; mircea_popescu: so BingoBoingo, since cazalla's getting out, i figure 10 btc for his chunk should be good enough ? (what you think cazalla ?). you wanna go halves with me in it ?

21:15:40 mircea_popescu: alrighty i think we got an agreement there. post an addy an' we'll have a memorandum on deedbot laters.

21:17:55 cazalla: 19EQBR8c4yGu1g9KinfcWFydHo1M2hsJMj

21:18:15 cazalla: will also need to push domain to either yours or bb's namecheap, or it can remain in mine but either way

21:18:55 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:19:07 ascii_field: cazalla is going moiety ?

21:19:24 *: ascii_field takes off hat

21:19:50 cazalla: ascii_field, not exactly (but i do need to find a job), just want a break from everything bitcoin so i can go find something else

21:20:04 shinohai: http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/Wilder-Accident-Jack-333185411.html <<< Least he died jackin' off

21:20:05 assbot: Wilder man, 36, working on vehicle dies after it slips off jack | Local & Regional | Boise, Meridian, Nampa, Caldwell, Idaho News, Weather, Sports and Breaking News - KBOI 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKNA26 )

21:24:15 mircea_popescu: yeah good idea.

21:26:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00048648 = 6.0324 BTC [+]

21:33:32 shinohai: Some enterprising individuals in this area will often lift cars using cinder blocks, as if $19.99 is too much to rent a pair of jackstands and do it right.

21:41:24 mircea_popescu: !up hermeto

21:45:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00048648 = 6.2756 BTC [+] {3}

21:47:39 ascii_field: * Written by Ulrich Drepper <drepper@gnu.ai.mit.edu>, 1995. * * Heavily modified for GnuPG by <wk@gnupg.org> * << l0l

21:48:48 ascii_field: and moar,

21:48:49 ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/10CCTW0.txt

21:48:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNgRBk )

22:07:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31850 @ 0.00048507 = 15.4495 BTC [-]

22:11:29 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:11:36 ascii_field: http://blog.geeky-boy.com/2015/10/windows-corrupting-udp-datagrams.html << Run Moar Winblowz!!

22:11:37 assbot: The Meditative Coder: Windows corrupting UDP datagrams ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKR0Sr )

22:25:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24187 @ 0.00048378 = 11.7012 BTC [-] {3}

22:32:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12169 @ 0.00048656 = 5.9209 BTC [+] {3}

22:41:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26552 @ 0.00048797 = 12.9566 BTC [+] {3}

22:54:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2577 @ 0.00048852 = 1.2589 BTC [+]

23:16:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9156 @ 0.00048883 = 4.4757 BTC [+]

23:17:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.0004827 = 5.2132 BTC [-]

23:28:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00048883 = 2.0775 BTC [+]

23:34:22 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300090 << like sending your enemy rifle parts that can only be assembled to shoot backwards, into gunner.

23:34:22 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 00:57:32; mircea_popescu: "you design and build the battleships and whatever else you feel like doing anyway you want to - we'll beat you to shit with them."

23:38:51 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300100 << this'd be interesting to verify personally, however anecdotally, except that i'm missing one key condition ...

23:38:51 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 01:01:56; mircea_popescu: "The women with depressed, unhelpful husbands did not report lower levels of marital satisfaction; rather they were maintained at high levels. One interpretation of our data was that the women's more negative memories of their fathers served the function of minimizing (or denying) their husbands' failure to be as helpful as needed. If this is all that can be expected of men, then I can no longer rec

23:39:07 pete_dushenski: "The husbands were observed by their wives to be less sensitive to the kids than other fathers and helped less with parenting." << seems to be a crucial one.

23:39:33 pete_dushenski: whereas an fathering hero is me !

23:40:27 pete_dushenski: thanks in no small part to my self-promotional marketing campaign, naturally

23:41:09 pete_dushenski: interesting article though. will definitely pass it along to the other girls. y'know, for science.

23:43:19 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu for whom does gnu-mpi have the jacobi, legendre, kronecker, lucas knobs?! i have failed to turn up any instance of anyone ever having used them. or even tested.

23:43:19 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:43:23 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300111 << and all that hockey hullabaloo !

23:43:23 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 01:11:20; mircea_popescu: blame canada.

23:44:32 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA

23:44:33 assbot: Blame Canada - South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut (3/9) Movie CLIP (1999) HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VXCS4E )

23:45:36 *: asciilifeform can't actually think of kronecker without also thinking of cantor frothing in lunatic asylum

23:47:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5846 @ 0.0004827 = 2.8219 BTC [-]

23:47:57 asciilifeform: https://www.ucalgary.ca/rzach/blog/2009/09/logic-and-madness.html << lulzy, related.

23:53:14 pete_dushenski: o hey i was just in calgary on wednesday

23:53:33 pete_dushenski: not that richard zach and i crossed paths...

23:55:22 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300128 << 'there is nothing either good nor bad but thinking makes it so'

23:55:22 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 01:24:54; mircea_popescu: there is in point of fact nothing objectively wrong with honor killings, all sorts of pretense to the contrary notwithstanding. if you can get your hands around her neck you can strangle her. or not. your option. reality has both functions loaded and ready to go and return;

23:56:06 *: asciilifeform observes that it is bidirectionally correlated with goatfucking, 1.0.

23:57:21 pete_dushenski: it's certainly for the type of non-intellectual who can neither reason with girl nor find alternative avenue of action through which to persuade her

23:57:56 pete_dushenski: it's nonverbal, maybe that's what goatfucking means ?

23:58:15 asciilifeform: literal fucking of goats.

23:59:45 pete_dushenski: well yes.