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00:01:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124689 @ 0.00047851 = 59.6649 BTC [-] {4}

01:10:10 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/or6fO

01:10:12 assbot: Sergio Lerner: "1) I'm finalizing a BIP: A new Efficient Compact SPV Proof scheme. A chain of 2016 hdrs can be compressed into 10 hdrs, proving 50% of work. / 2) This will be key piece for 2-way-peg system we (Rootstock) contribute to Bitcoin, via hard-fork. / 3) Yes, can also be soft-fork." : Bitco ... ( http://bit.ly/1QnQwei )

01:11:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72850 @ 0.00048184 = 35.102 BTC [+] {2}

01:18:06 adlai: http://bit.ly/1QnQwei << archive.is/ception

01:18:07 assbot: https://archive.is/or6fO ... ( http://bit.ly/1TOKj8T )

01:19:28 mircea_popescu: i suppose every nigger gotta add his own hardfork out there now, it's the new hip thing. you ain't nobody if you ain't hardforkin'!

01:19:34 mircea_popescu: fucking monkeys.

01:19:51 mircea_popescu: can't california just fall into the ocean already and spare me the rest of the popcult story ?

01:20:12 mircea_popescu: i didn't care for proletcult either, and somehow i don't seem to be missing having missed out on that either.

01:29:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69300 @ 0.00048015 = 33.2744 BTC [-]

01:32:54 nubbins`: hardforks are the new altcoins

01:33:20 nubbins`: i can't believe it's not bitcoin

01:34:11 asciilifeform: i'm still waiting for the 'dekulakization' altcoins

01:34:28 asciilifeform: i.e. 'bitcoin but i get to move satoshi's coin' etc

01:35:02 mircea_popescu: you don;t properly grok how the ustardian mind works. you see, it's gotta be meta to be real.

01:35:16 mircea_popescu: it can't be something pointful, meaningful, "i get to move satoshi's stash".

01:35:24 mircea_popescu: it's gotta be some sort of useless, pointless derpage.

01:35:59 asciilifeform: i suppose asylum contains both napoleon ~and~ the i'm-a-glass-of-water types

01:36:16 asciilifeform: i can more readily grasp the napoleon, yes

01:36:34 nubbins`: the i'm-a-glass-of-water requires salvia divinorum

01:36:47 nubbins`: (cannot recommend the experience)

01:37:10 mircea_popescu: lol

01:37:38 nubbins`: now there's a weird drug

01:37:51 nubbins`: hallucinogen that acts on opioid receptors

01:37:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117000 @ 0.00048453 = 56.69 BTC [+] {6}

01:37:56 asciilifeform: aha

01:38:09 mircea_popescu: think of it in terms of, being a very mediocre, fat woman that was writing code. lotta goto's, the ocasional for-loop-by-hand, and no passing by reference.

01:38:09 asciilifeform: funnily it is (or at least once was) entirely legal in usa

01:38:29 mircea_popescu: the kids internalized the "what would it happen if EVERYONE did that" playground "adult" thinking, and now live by it.

01:39:44 mircea_popescu: so they won't make an altcoin that makes YOU be able to do something, because "you" is undefined. instead... make an altcoin that "saves africa". that, ANYONE could do.

01:40:46 mircea_popescu: and since anyone could do, everyone should do, so why aren't you.

01:41:55 asciilifeform: i still cannot properly grasp what moves these folks

01:43:22 mircea_popescu: same thing that moves the dust.

01:43:34 mircea_popescu: a guy named brown.

01:50:00 danielpbarron: nubbins`> the i'm-a-glass-of-water requires salvia divinorum << haha yes. I was once a wood floor in this regard

01:53:43 TheNewDeal: where's the mpex tax code listed

01:54:52 TheNewDeal: or the address for taxable income

01:55:11 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it's on the foundation page all listed nicely

01:55:18 mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/

01:55:19 assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X )

01:56:01 TheNewDeal: i'm getting archived, is that ok?

01:56:54 TheNewDeal: I believe I owe back taxes from my bets

01:57:06 mircea_popescu: so go pay.

01:57:26 TheNewDeal: I'm in fear of the address being hijacked

01:57:35 mircea_popescu: there's a signed thing in there.

02:00:18 TheNewDeal: can someone verify this transaction https://blockchain.info/tx/7dbfdd2f32899da5bbe73dbb6e749f98176f8a6ff02027c16e37fac7b3135163

02:00:18 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 7dbfdd2f32899da5bbe73dbb6e749f98176f8a6ff02027c16e37fac7b3135163 ... ( http://bit.ly/1O7IMfU )

02:00:27 TheNewDeal: I believe they've unmugglized me

02:00:54 mircea_popescu: uh.

02:01:16 TheNewDeal: some wacky science occurred not too long after I made said transaction

02:01:35 mircea_popescu: 7dbfdd2f32899da5bbe73dbb6e749f98176f8a6ff02027c16e37fac7b3135163 is in 00000000000000000222de4462f77457d37d1b16f3c92688dc7087106f27fda0 / aa8ff7e8e554cdbf4b95b3b4b24e70246afdc6adee250fb51012914bcede3640

02:01:45 mircea_popescu: what exactly do you mean ?

02:02:11 TheNewDeal: brain experiments

02:02:35 TheNewDeal: mass shifting of neural anatomy

02:02:47 TheNewDeal: and I'm in fear of being asylumed in my home country

02:03:11 mircea_popescu: ...

02:03:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171650 @ 0.00047888 = 82.1998 BTC [-] {8}

02:03:49 TheNewDeal: I'm stranded in central usia and I'm fearing some sort of sham court case apparating

02:03:57 mircea_popescu: ok...

02:04:10 mircea_popescu: so go to cancun ?

02:05:41 TheNewDeal: like a test trip to see if they allow me to pass through the border?

02:06:37 mircea_popescu: no, like a fuck you and your stupid shithole trip.

02:07:14 TheNewDeal: I've got to see if they allow a tax payment, I can't find that address from the foundation website

02:07:40 danielpbarron: TheNewDeal, 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9

02:10:29 nubbins`: wat

02:11:08 mircea_popescu: "i paid my taxes to these people that lol at you, problem ???"

02:11:26 mircea_popescu: o look who's where.

02:11:28 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

02:11:36 indiancandy1: MP

02:11:38 mircea_popescu: how's whoring ?

02:11:38 indiancandy1: my boo

02:11:46 indiancandy1: the pussy aint 4 sale daddy

02:11:55 mircea_popescu: aok

02:12:31 indiancandy1: i want to get some softwares Rat, Ddos, Cookie stealer…

02:12:32 indiancandy1: ?

02:12:37 mircea_popescu: haha what ?

02:12:45 indiancandy1: u know anything

02:12:53 mircea_popescu: what are you trying to do again ?

02:13:31 indiancandy1: some hacking stuff

02:13:34 indiancandy1: i wanna learn

02:14:14 indiancandy1: right anyway

02:14:20 indiancandy1: mp hows the btc market

02:14:29 mircea_popescu: going up, apparently.

02:14:52 indiancandy1: and ur other adventures?

02:15:06 mircea_popescu: anyway, "hacking" is not a thing, it's the byproduct of knowing how to program computers. which you can learn, like anything else, provided you got the patience.

02:16:27 indiancandy1: ur right

02:16:30 TheNewDeal: I think they're unconvered some equipment from the mines

02:17:19 TheNewDeal: they're trying to reverse this whole bitcoin economy

02:17:55 indiancandy1: who

02:18:05 TheNewDeal: the powers that be, the central control

02:18:33 mircea_popescu: have you been doin' anything laterly TheNewDeal ?

02:18:52 TheNewDeal: I have been struggling to stay afloat in the Usian ship

02:20:21 TheNewDeal: I've been trying to go out to the bars and enjoy some music

02:20:30 indiancandy1: thats good

02:20:35 indiancandy1: its always good to get out

02:20:40 indiancandy1: n enjoy outside world

02:20:50 TheNewDeal: but I think they've got some sort of tracking program on me. Weaponry that can induce a false schizophrenia

02:20:59 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i mean, any psychotropics.

02:21:14 TheNewDeal: thc, cbd

02:21:30 TheNewDeal: but I think they've tried to slip me drugs to admit to crimes that haven't occurred

02:21:45 mircea_popescu: yeah. they do that a lot.

02:22:24 indiancandy1: thc is in wed

02:22:25 indiancandy1: weed

02:22:26 TheNewDeal: I need a break from this mess and I'm in fear they're trying to recruit me

02:22:46 mircea_popescu: to slip people drugs to get them to admit to crimes that haven't occurred ?

02:22:59 TheNewDeal: yes - it's all counterintuitive

02:23:13 TheNewDeal: it's like the state machine tries to churn out criminals

02:23:42 TheNewDeal: I'm trying to stay apolitical and it's backfiring. The state is becoming politically charged

02:24:17 mircea_popescu: well... take it easy, don't fuck any goats...

02:24:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46864 @ 0.00047725 = 22.3658 BTC [-] {2}

02:24:42 TheNewDeal: did the tax payment go through?

02:25:17 mircea_popescu: o.O

02:25:24 mircea_popescu: check it out, teh republic got 10 btcs.

02:25:26 danielpbarron: 10 btc is 0.1% of your profits?

02:25:44 mircea_popescu: he must've killed it with the bitbets.

02:26:04 TheNewDeal: I'm in fear.

02:26:10 indiancandy1: dont be

02:26:14 indiancandy1: move to russia

02:26:27 mircea_popescu: that's where you are ?

02:26:33 TheNewDeal: I'm trying to get protection from people who can lend any help. I tried to send one to the mines

02:26:49 indiancandy1: who me?

02:26:54 mircea_popescu: yes you.

02:27:01 indiancandy1: lol

02:27:05 indiancandy1: london babe

02:27:08 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal to the what ?

02:27:13 TheNewDeal: the mines

02:27:26 mircea_popescu: what mines ?!

02:27:27 TheNewDeal: https://blockchain.info/tx/7dbfdd2f32899da5bbe73dbb6e749f98176f8a6ff02027c16e37fac7b3135163

02:27:28 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 7dbfdd2f32899da5bbe73dbb6e749f98176f8a6ff02027c16e37fac7b3135163 ... ( http://bit.ly/1O7IMfU )

02:27:38 TheNewDeal: I looked up a miner from blockchain,info

02:27:39 TheNewDeal: a big miner

02:27:54 TheNewDeal: and now I think they're trying to make me look like a chinese spy or something

02:28:21 mircea_popescu: ...

02:28:29 indiancandy1: this guy is on coke

02:28:32 indiancandy1: sorry

02:28:32 TheNewDeal: no coke

02:28:35 TheNewDeal: cigarettes

02:28:41 indiancandy1: why so para babe

02:28:43 indiancandy1: relax

02:28:44 mircea_popescu: you think someone's going to do what ?

02:29:03 TheNewDeal: I think they're trying to criminalize me

02:29:09 TheNewDeal: plant a crime on me

02:29:15 mircea_popescu: the miner is ?

02:29:27 TheNewDeal: I can't remember which one

02:29:47 TheNewDeal: I searched for the top miners on organofcorti's website

02:30:05 TheNewDeal: I sent it in a panicked state

02:30:15 *: asciilifeform sees this nonsense, goes back to reading the lovingly detailed blueprints of t-34 he found

02:30:33 indiancandy1: right mp i need some advice

02:30:38 indiancandy1: i wanna finance a game

02:30:49 indiancandy1: so when u launch ur games how do u choose

02:30:57 indiancandy1: which ones to put money on

02:31:00 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal eh, have some tea and relax. nobody gives a shit you went on some website and searched for shit from some other weebsite.

02:31:21 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 good team, good idea, it's complicated.

02:31:23 TheNewDeal: the US tax law can't handle these transactions

02:31:35 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344037 << invest in a motherfucking spectrum analyzer.

02:31:35 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 02:20:50; TheNewDeal: but I think they've got some sort of tracking program on me. Weaponry that can induce a false schizophrenia

02:31:37 asciilifeform: be the first.

02:31:38 indiancandy1: do you outsorce

02:31:38 TheNewDeal: I don't even know who I sent it to - that's basically unreportable

02:31:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71000 @ 0.00047725 = 33.8848 BTC [-]

02:32:01 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 notrly.

02:32:03 indiancandy1: outsource

02:32:06 indiancandy1: u use argentina

02:32:15 mircea_popescu: i use slave labour for the most part.

02:32:41 indiancandy1: but what country

02:33:00 hanbot: marlboro?

02:33:18 mircea_popescu: wherever i happen to be.

02:33:50 mircea_popescu: anyway, you wanna invest in a game, why not go play eulora. danielpbarron will show you the ropes if you show him yours.

02:34:20 danielpbarron: I can pay you to work for me yes

02:34:29 indiancandy1: i got no ropes babe

02:34:30 indiancandy1: LOL

02:34:36 indiancandy1: pay me 2 work 4 u

02:34:38 indiancandy1: daniel

02:34:39 indiancandy1: ?

02:34:53 mircea_popescu: he's been doing that, has a regular stable of noobs going from what i gather.

02:34:57 mircea_popescu: pun intended.

02:34:58 danielpbarron: you gotta get that key from Mr. Dunne though

02:35:32 mircea_popescu: ahhh, homebaked muffins and iced milk coffee...

02:35:36 indiancandy1: so does playing this game eaern

02:36:19 danielpbarron: ranges from 300k to 2 mn per hour depending on the activity

02:36:20 mircea_popescu: yes, you could get your very first bitcents

02:36:51 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wow no shit ? 2mn ? that's like... almost minimum wage ?

02:37:01 danielpbarron: some things can be automated to run while your sleeping

02:37:23 TheNewDeal: those are the tools i'm talking about

02:37:29 TheNewDeal: fake sleeping tools

02:37:30 danielpbarron: that's two orders of fraudsters credits heh

02:37:39 mircea_popescu: i stand impressed.

02:40:24 indiancandy1: 2mn in pounds is what

02:41:34 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker --market all --currency gbp

02:41:42 gribble: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 307.683435, vol: 16449.86999106 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 303.6027405, vol: 12728.35091 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 292.38, vol: 5.11919016 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 317.068096, vol: 105203.31740000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 307.325, vol: 12.28616566 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 309.642805993, vol: 92.64349349 | Volume-weighted last average: 314.638931296

02:41:46 mircea_popescu: like 6 quid.

02:45:41 mircea_popescu: !rated TheNewDeal

02:45:41 assbot: You have not rated TheNewDeal.

02:46:04 mircea_popescu: !rate TheNewDeal 2 Put a decent chunk of change into the Bitcoin Foundation back when it wasn't fashionable yet.

02:46:04 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/04cc996ebe31d5bf

02:46:29 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.TheNewDeal.2:72f205feb029a54e96e08dbde50f07860dd069d6aa8b8021f0286fe3999b943a

02:46:30 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for TheNewDeal with note: Put a decent chunk of change into the Bitcoin Foundation back when it wasn't fashionable yet.

02:49:20 TheNewDeal: I think they're going to Shrem me hard for this

02:49:40 mircea_popescu: to shrem ? it's a verb now ?

02:50:04 TheNewDeal: pour a drink out for TheNewDeal when you have a chance

02:50:17 gabrielradio: TheNewDeal set up a dead man's switch

02:50:58 TheNewDeal: I want to see them try to politicize this. I can see it coming and I want to see how they sell out the working man in 2016

02:51:21 TheNewDeal: throw em in jail, lock away the key

02:51:39 TheNewDeal: they think with their mind and send their money unannounced

02:52:08 mircea_popescu: man... politicize what.

02:52:21 TheNewDeal: the battle for money control

02:52:53 TheNewDeal: it's behind all this actual rage pent up across the glove

02:52:59 TheNewDeal: globe

02:53:52 TheNewDeal: I'm locked down on state sponsored medications and they aren't doing a thing

02:54:38 hanbot: TheNewDeal what medications exactly?

02:54:47 TheNewDeal: risperdone and mirtazapine

02:55:29 hanbot: how long've you been on em?

02:55:33 mod6: TheNewDeal: hey, thanks!

02:55:51 TheNewDeal: just a couple weeks.

02:56:09 TheNewDeal: but it's impossible for me to get rid of eating and smoking nonstop

02:59:49 hanbot: TheNewDeal take a walk in a park/forest/beach/etc. don't take your cigarettes.

03:10:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00048476 = 16.2637 BTC [+]

03:11:34 danielpbarron: deedbot- http://danielpbarron.com/tax-2015.asc.txt

03:11:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvnanU )

03:11:36 deedbot-: accepted: 1

03:23:46 mod6: thx danielpbarron

03:26:46 nubbins`: suggest a movie that isn't a piece of shit

03:27:16 mod6: reservoir dogs ?

03:47:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107950 @ 0.00048601 = 52.4648 BTC [+] {5}

03:55:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148300 @ 0.00048718 = 72.2488 BTC [+] {2}

04:08:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00048744 = 16.9629 BTC [+]

04:09:50 BingoBoingo: but I think they've tried to slip me drugs to admit to crimes that haven't occurred << This was a big motivator in my decision to sobriety. Harder to CIA drug if not already intoxicated.

04:13:24 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal mirtazapine and weed is a hell of a combination

04:21:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57150 @ 0.00048745 = 27.8578 BTC [+] {4}

04:25:37 danielpbarron: !up morenoh149

04:27:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149350 @ 0.00048577 = 72.5497 BTC [-] {2}

04:29:11 danielpbarron: !up morenoh149

04:41:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41593 @ 0.00048746 = 20.2749 BTC [+]

04:43:41 morenoh149: why tho

04:44:41 danielpbarron: ah, hello!

04:45:35 morenoh149: !up chiral

04:45:48 morenoh149: !up morenoh149

04:47:00 morenoh149: danielpbarron: just killing time

04:47:10 morenoh149: found this channel mentioned on an old hackernews thread

04:47:28 danielpbarron: ah, which one was that ?

04:48:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7733 @ 0.00048746 = 3.7695 BTC [+] {2}

04:48:43 morenoh149: somthing like `what are the best irc channels`

04:49:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 368067 @ 0.00049086 = 180.6694 BTC [+] {6}

04:50:12 danielpbarron: what were some other ones mentioned?

04:51:54 morenoh149: #cyberwizard

04:52:00 morenoh149: ##javascript

04:52:12 danielpbarron: 8/

04:53:03 morenoh149: well it's not efnet or dalnet

04:53:06 TheNewDeal: morenoh a/s/l?

04:53:10 morenoh149: it's gonna be programming related

04:54:45 danielpbarron: it sounds almost like a joke to include this channel and ##javascript in the same list of "best channels" -- and cyberwizard is a nice cherry on top

04:55:33 morenoh149: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8788532

04:55:34 assbot: Good IRC channels | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1lOjtDl )

05:01:49 danielpbarron: !up morenoh149

05:04:55 morenoh149: what is that?

05:05:09 morenoh149: I have bitcoins. What do I do with them?

05:05:38 trinque: you can send them to me if you like.

05:06:46 danielpbarron: you can buy Eulora coppers with them

05:07:19 morenoh149: anyone else in nyc? met a couple of ppl interested in finance and bitcoin this month

05:07:20 ben_vulpes: lol ##javascript

05:07:27 danielpbarron: i'm near nyc

05:07:31 ben_vulpes: you met people interested in finance, morenoh149?

05:07:37 ben_vulpes: in nyc of all places?

05:07:54 morenoh149: yeah there was a bitcoin meetup over at solidX

05:08:08 ben_vulpes: solidX being?

05:08:51 morenoh149: a company

05:09:38 ben_vulpes: looks like a website from here

05:10:10 ben_vulpes: gallancy, since 2011

05:10:19 ben_vulpes: daniel h gallancy, i mean to say

05:10:30 ben_vulpes: dimitri nemirovsky, since 2013

05:10:53 ben_vulpes: ivan brightly, is a blockchain subject matter expert having been involved as a core member of the bitcoin/blockchain community since 2012

05:11:15 ben_vulpes: bryan reyhani has been in the space since 2013 having handled seminal legal work that garnered widespread media coverage.

05:11:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156500 @ 0.00048577 = 76.023 BTC [-]

05:11:52 ben_vulpes: bob mcelrath contributed to numerous open source projects in the bitcoin space, including Bitcoin Core.

05:12:03 ben_vulpes: and not a single one of them have i ever heard of.

05:12:09 ben_vulpes: and who are you morenoh149?

05:14:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114086 @ 0.00048604 = 55.4504 BTC [+]

05:15:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.00049181 = 28.402 BTC [+] {3}

05:17:06 morenoh149: I write javascript mostly. I own a little bitcoin I bought off some asian guy

05:27:14 ben_vulpes: that's not an answer to the question

05:35:38 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343716 << oh i think i see what's going on here

05:35:38 assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 19:12:39; asciilifeform: somebody +v ascii_field por favor, he can't reach the button

05:35:50 ben_vulpes: that is some specific diddling.

05:38:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90100 @ 0.00049183 = 44.3139 BTC [+] {2}

05:49:50 ben_vulpes: https://blockchain.info/tx/58262fa8436e0d35b73e43caef8c6e4d929507a3acb9d44e56b26b48251e30e8 << HODAMN

05:49:51 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 58262fa8436e0d35b73e43caef8c6e4d929507a3acb9d44e56b26b48251e30e8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvwEj9 )

05:50:32 BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure yall definitely have more money than the Vessenes' Foundation nao

05:51:21 *: ben_vulpes still has no idea what people think we're going to do with it

05:51:33 ben_vulpes: buy a si fab in mod6's old age i imagine

05:51:41 BingoBoingo: Eventually bury meganodes in concrete

06:00:51 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski https://archive.is/L2CGe

06:00:52 assbot: Eating the Bitcoin Cake — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1QLvep8 )

06:00:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:11:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105918 @ 0.00049057 = 51.9602 BTC [-]

06:19:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111564 @ 0.00049174 = 54.8605 BTC [+] {3}

06:48:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120800 @ 0.00048813 = 58.9661 BTC [-] {3}

06:53:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86750 @ 0.00048766 = 42.3045 BTC [-]

06:55:46 ben_vulpes: !up morenoh149

06:56:01 *: ben_vulpes off

07:03:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00049169 = 17.16 BTC [+]

07:26:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2118 @ 0.00048766 = 1.0329 BTC [-]

07:30:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82531 @ 0.00048772 = 40.252 BTC [+] {3}

07:53:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60100 @ 0.00049054 = 29.4815 BTC [+] {2}

08:01:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00048526 = 27.9995 BTC [-]

08:17:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 218946 @ 0.00049141 = 107.5923 BTC [+] {3}

08:32:04 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] It’s not your outgoing US President’s fault he’s a dumb monkey, it’s affirmative action’s. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/16/its-not-your-outgoing-us-presidents-fault-hes-a-dumb-monkey-its-affirmative-actions/

08:38:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71950 @ 0.00049198 = 35.398 BTC [+] {3}

08:43:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164967 @ 0.00049207 = 81.1753 BTC [+] {2}

08:55:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81800 @ 0.00049259 = 40.2939 BTC [+] {3}

09:18:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162150 @ 0.00048505 = 78.6509 BTC [-] {3}

09:20:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113100 @ 0.0004841 = 54.7517 BTC [-] {5}

09:49:28 jurov: http://www.marketplace.org/2015/12/10/world/why-cant-china-make-good-ballpoint-pen

09:49:29 assbot: Why can't China make a good ballpoint pen? | Marketplace.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZbtMiO )

09:49:39 jurov: First up was Qu Daokui, CEO of a robotics company. “If I close my eyes and try to think of a product that has Chinese characteristics and is recognized internationally,” stammered Qu, “I can’t think of one.”

10:01:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17053 @ 0.00048379 = 8.2501 BTC [-]

10:02:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75797 @ 0.0004825 = 36.5721 BTC [-] {2}

10:11:57 adlai: cf "bla bla space pen bla bla nasa money bla bla freezing boiling cosmic-ray-induced-degradation-of-premium-ink blabla. the russians used a pencil."

10:13:30 adlai: ehehe of course there's a blog for that: http://therussiansusedapencil.com/post/175863624/the-pencil

10:13:31 assbot: The Pencil - The Russians Used a Pencil ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZbvCjH )

10:19:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52404 @ 0.00048287 = 25.3043 BTC [+]

10:19:46 davout: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343429

10:19:46 assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 16:58:50; davout: mircea_popescu: pl0x to x.eur

10:20:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00048589 = 18.3181 BTC [+]

10:22:56 jurov: *sigh* in the quest to make sense of trb's memory allocations, i ended up at gates of openssl's CBigNum

10:31:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76200 @ 0.00048939 = 37.2915 BTC [+] {3}

10:52:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124900 @ 0.00049071 = 61.2897 BTC [+] {2}

10:53:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124650 @ 0.00048127 = 59.9903 BTC [-] {3}

10:58:26 davout: jurov: dem gates of hell

11:04:58 jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bignum.h?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0068 specifically, this appear to leak memory somehow

11:04:59 assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/bignum.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1lP3cOw )

11:05:19 jurov: it goes against https://www.openssl.org/docs/manmaster/crypto/BN_copy.html

11:05:20 assbot: OpenSSL ... ( http://bit.ly/1lP3epI )

11:05:32 jurov: which says "dest should be a newly allocated BIGNUM obtained via a call to BN_new(). It should not have been used for other purposes or initialised in any way."

11:08:46 punkman: it overloads the assignment operator? dear god

11:10:24 jurov: yes. and the best thing? igprof says it's called from CBlock::AddToBlockIndex but i have no idea where exactly the fucking compiler implicitly added it

11:10:36 punkman: actually it has custom fn for all operators

11:16:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9020 @ 0.00049155 = 4.4338 BTC [+]

11:24:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88300 @ 0.00049335 = 43.5628 BTC [+] {3}

11:27:29 punkman: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/millionaire-ehsan-abdulaziz-who-said-he-accidentally-tripped-and-penetrated-teen-is-cleared-of-rape-a6774946.html

11:27:29 assbot: Ehsan Abdulaziz: Saudi millionaire who said he 'accidentally tripped and penetrated' teenage girl cleared of rape | Crime | News | The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jbxb8h )

11:46:43 punkman: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M84Sb4h6Jk4/UZziag65nbI/AAAAAAABVLw/QzR1vjFgEBA/s1600/ke7sFs9.jpg

11:46:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jbyggc )

11:52:36 mircea_popescu: davout on it.

11:56:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344203 <<< Vulpes Suave Sarcasm. The kind the pope uses.

11:56:42 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 05:07:37; ben_vulpes: in nyc of all places?

11:58:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344211 <<< https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/497449427460956161 being the... one guy that retweeted that selkis two bit idiot thing should count as " a blockchain subject matter expert having been involved as a core member of the bitcoin/blockchain community since 2012" wouldn't you say ?

11:58:57 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 05:10:53; ben_vulpes: ivan brightly, is a blockchain subject matter expert having been involved as a core member of the bitcoin/blockchain community since 2012

11:59:20 mircea_popescu: they're taking the "i've been part of the bitcoin through talking" to the next level : "in my head, i could have been talking abotu this in 2012 so why the hell not!"

11:59:59 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: bryan reyhani has been in the space since 2013 having handled seminal legal work that garnered widespread media coverage. <<< bwaghaghaga fuckuing epic.

12:00:31 mircea_popescu: there is apparently OTHER seminal legal work in "The space" than my semen the sec chicklets guzzled. fancy that.

12:00:44 mircea_popescu: next time ima be sure to spread the media coverage wider.

12:01:19 mircea_popescu: this has been entertaining.

12:03:28 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344227 << heh. it's an american thing, how could one not have more money than it ?!

12:03:28 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 05:50:32; BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure yall definitely have more money than the Vessenes' Foundation nao

12:04:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344228 << fancy that! one government gets 0.1% voluntary tax and doesn't know what to do with it, the other gets 70%ish at gunpoint and thinks it needs so much more.

12:04:39 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 05:51:21; *: ben_vulpes still has no idea what people think we're going to do with it

12:05:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93044 @ 0.00049386 = 45.9507 BTC [+] {3}

12:05:29 mircea_popescu: deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ? Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] << hey, maybe stick some more pete dushenski in there, pete_dushenski ? just in case tis not clear!

12:07:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.0004921 = 5.4131 BTC [-] {2}

12:07:29 punkman: just reached the indiancandy and thnewdeal part of the logs, wtf

12:09:58 mircea_popescu: tis a mystery.

12:11:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344273 << nice find j.

12:11:42 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 11:05:32; jurov: which says "dest should be a newly allocated BIGNUM obtained via a call to BN_new(). It should not have been used for other purposes or initialised in any way."

12:13:12 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344280 <<< ahahaha check it out, the brits stick to rotherham!

12:13:12 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 11:27:29; assbot: Ehsan Abdulaziz: Saudi millionaire who said he 'accidentally tripped and penetrated' teenage girl cleared of rape | Crime | News | The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jbxb8h )

12:13:20 mircea_popescu: should just move the fucking capital already, who needs the queen.

12:16:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.0004921 = 25.2693 BTC [-] {2}

12:17:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00049151 = 3.4651 BTC [-]

12:17:29 mircea_popescu: oh, the mystery clears : https://archive.is/pcaTg#selection-1583.0-1585.0 << the subject matter expert primarily exists in the xt.

12:17:30 assbot: only-bigblocks branch code review - Google Groups ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2bb9e )

12:34:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129000 @ 0.000494 = 63.726 BTC [+] {3}

12:47:33 punkman: !up justanotheruser

12:50:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38561 @ 0.00049151 = 18.9531 BTC [-] {2}

12:52:52 punkman: http://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h6141

12:52:55 assbot: “Gunslinger’s gait”: a new cause of unilaterally reduced arm swing | The BMJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8larH )

13:05:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161050 @ 0.00048848 = 78.6697 BTC [-]

13:10:10 punkman: http://fortune.com/2015/12/15/cybersecurity-china-world-internet-conference/

13:10:11 assbot: Cybersecurity Won’t Be the Biggest Deal at China’s World Internet Conference - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8miLS )

13:16:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35663 @ 0.00048622 = 17.3401 BTC [-] {2}

13:17:42 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKS4NiuCdJY

13:17:43 assbot: ΝΙΚΟΣ ΜΑΜΑΓΚΑΚΗΣ ΤΟ ΤΡΑΓΟΥΔΙ ΤΟΥ ΤΡΕΛΛΟΥ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8mPxk )

13:22:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114600 @ 0.00048079 = 55.0985 BTC [-] {2}

13:30:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63502 @ 0.00048455 = 30.7699 BTC [+]

13:31:42 punkman: https://www.cbinsights.com/blog/startup-failure-post-mortem/

13:31:48 assbot: 146 Startup Failure Post-Mortems

13:33:03 punkman: goldmine

13:33:47 punkman: (why didn't assbot add a bit.ly to the title?)

13:43:54 mircea_popescu: no idea.

13:51:51 mircea_popescu: davout http://dpaste.com/1TD2Q8F

13:51:53 assbot: dpaste: 1TD2Q8F ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2miid )

13:52:04 davout: mircea_popescu: danke schön

13:52:38 mircea_popescu: getting the xeurs in momentarily.

14:02:30 mircea_popescu: !up Peter_Geschel

14:09:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00048455 = 10.8539 BTC [+]

14:14:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161337 @ 0.00047968 = 77.3901 BTC [-] {4}

14:14:53 punkman: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35111363

14:14:55 assbot: Facewatch 'thief recognition' CCTV on trial in UK stores - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8qs6v )

14:16:34 mircea_popescu: today like in athens 3k years ago, a good chunks of "thieves" are the merchant's own adolescent sons.

14:20:14 deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] X.EUR December 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-december-16th-statement/

14:21:44 davout: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2PG8AP4.txt

14:21:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8qOdk )

14:21:45 deedbot-: accepted: 1

14:24:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 0.56897406 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 11 satoshi per share

14:25:02 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2PRX75J.txt

14:25:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZbX0hx )

14:25:04 deedbot-: accepted: 1

14:26:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 124.03338301 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 24 satoshi per share

14:26:47 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0YV070C.txt

14:26:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZbXhB8 )

14:26:48 deedbot-: accepted: 1

14:29:01 mircea_popescu: in other news, anyone wanna do a wire for me ?

14:38:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105200 @ 0.00048154 = 50.658 BTC [+]

14:45:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62200 @ 0.00048154 = 29.9518 BTC [+]

15:05:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 306884 @ 0.00047935 = 147.1048 BTC [-] {8}

15:06:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 190216 @ 0.00047759 = 90.8453 BTC [-] {7}

15:10:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132700 @ 0.0004867 = 64.5851 BTC [+] {2}

15:19:22 asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8794707 << somehow i missed this lul ?

15:19:23 assbot: #bitcoin-assets on freenode is a good one with frequent discussion | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1mnYWpj )

15:20:34 asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344269 << what's the clue for this ? ( is this wallet code ? it never once turned up in any of my leak tests )

15:20:34 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 11:04:58; jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bignum.h?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0068 specifically, this appear to leak memory somehow

15:20:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:22:34 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344295 << having no expenses is great, aha

15:22:34 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 12:04:39; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344228 << fancy that! one government gets 0.1% voluntary tax and doesn't know what to do with it, the other gets 70%ish at gunpoint and thinks it needs so much more.

15:22:47 asciilifeform: everybody else would, if they could...

15:23:20 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344324 << mega-l0l:

15:23:20 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 13:31:42; punkman: https://www.cbinsights.com/blog/startup-failure-post-mortem/

15:23:24 asciilifeform: 'There was no doubt about it: I had discovered The Next Big Thing. Like Edison and the lightbulb, like Gates and the pc operating system, I would launch a revolution that would transform society while bringing me wealth and fame. I was about to become the first person in America to sell condom key chains.'

15:24:19 asciilifeform: interestingly, there are two or three 'adult' defunct corps in there (a biotech thing and i forget what else)

15:26:02 asciilifeform: in other nyooz,

15:26:08 asciilifeform: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/15/windows_xp_royal_navy << Run Moar Winblowz !!

15:26:09 assbot: Windows XP spotted on Royal Navy's spanking new aircraft carrier • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2ypMu )

15:26:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 379461 @ 0.00048578 = 184.3346 BTC [-] {4}

15:40:59 nubbins`: time to smoke a jazz cigarette while taking a shower

15:41:10 nubbins`: for those of you who have never, it's enjoyable

15:45:25 jurov: asciilifeform: igprof shown several megabytes of LIVE_MEM for BN_copy called from operator= despite it's almost always used only temporary

15:46:01 jurov: (that was after I eliminated some unrelated noise)

15:47:49 nubbins`: jurov seems you're making some progress

15:48:53 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1970 @ 0.00135351 = 2.6664 BTC [-] {5}

15:48:55 jurov: hard to say. my style of work is more like throwing shit to wall than some systematic progress

15:50:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344295 << having no expenses is great, aha <<< hey, i don't recall teh mod6 / ben_vulpes writing in any checks that bounced, so... it covers 100% of its expenses!

15:50:56 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 12:04:39; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344228 << fancy that! one government gets 0.1% voluntary tax and doesn't know what to do with it, the other gets 70%ish at gunpoint and thinks it needs so much more.

15:51:09 jurov: putting outside of heap all permanent block-related data that won't ever get deallocated, looks like an improvement and do improve the baseline

15:51:31 jurov: but if it helps with maintaining mempool remains to be seen

15:52:10 jurov: and the code i ended up with is rather invasive :(

15:52:25 mircea_popescu: jurov seems you're making some progress << ironically, the operator= nonsense was JUST linked in a basic piece about how c++ sucks that we've all read and yet it made nobody else click.

15:53:01 jurov: are we getting rid of c++? yay!

15:53:12 jurov: mircea_popescu: map is not the territory

15:53:30 mircea_popescu: jurov quite. i recall reading that thing years ago, too. understood as nothing of it then as now, obviously.

15:53:32 mircea_popescu: but hey, i like to read.

15:55:06 nubbins`: if you like to read, you'll love irc

15:55:28 mircea_popescu: i do, actually. this line-at-a-time business is almost perfect.

15:57:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79200 @ 0.00047692 = 37.7721 BTC [-] {4}

15:59:59 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : okcupid makes money in two ways that i can see. one is to sell you "A list" status, which brings no obvious benefits other than "browse invisibly". they advertise the shit out of it too, "you are browsing visibly". what the fuck sort of deranged ustardian would actually make an account of a site specifically dedicated to finding people and then wanting stealth!

16:00:42 mircea_popescu: but anyway. i imagine it's making a decent penny for them, being exactly the fuctarded "sit by lakeside and carefully dip toe in" thing that today's women of both sexes obsess over.

16:01:08 mircea_popescu: the other, and this is the lulzy part, is a "boost", where you pay them a buck or two and they "show your profile" to VERY MANY ppl!!1

16:02:38 mircea_popescu: this is practically a straight advertising deal, and i have the numbers : out of the ~150-200k people onlione they claim perpetually, the 1-2 dollar thing buys you about 300 over an hour, so that's superficially 1.5-2 per thousand but i suspect might be as high as 10% given that obviously, not everyone actually pays any attention to them.

16:03:02 mircea_popescu: as the boost takes about an hour, this caps the okcupid revenue from this line to somewhere around say 20 bux an hour ? which sounds just about right.

16:03:34 mircea_popescu: on the other hand, of those 2-300 people, should you have the curiosity to include a link strategically in your profile, you might discover that exactly... 0%, as well as 0 per thousand actually click.

16:04:10 mircea_popescu: on the basis of all the foregoing, i would say the market value of okcupid is definitely under 10 btc and perhaps over 1 btc.

16:06:02 mircea_popescu: this puts the per-capita value of an ustard (that LTV thing discussed in some earlier links in log ) somewhere in the 1 to 10 cents.

16:07:44 mircea_popescu: also, seeing how InterActiveCorp ( NASDAQ: IACI ) consists of at least 10% okcupid and claims total assets of 4bn, we can estimate the value of the bezzle! if 4k worth of okcupid is perhaps 10% of the business self-valued at 4bn, then every dollar a us corporation owns is worth ~0.001 cents of actual, honest to god, turkey-buying dollars and 0.999 cents of pure bezzle.

16:08:20 mircea_popescu: numbers are probably not exact, but they are certainly & guaranteedly closer to reality than the bizarro view where "apple has 1 dollar means apple has 1 dollar".

16:08:59 mircea_popescu: of only practical interest here, remember that for every $1000 added to your 401k, you can expect to buy about a cent;s worth of turkey at some point down the road.

16:10:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.00048002 = 41.2577 BTC [+]

16:12:05 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344351 << sure. pgp-gram coordinates and details ?

16:12:05 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 14:29:01; mircea_popescu: in other news, anyone wanna do a wire for me ?

16:12:47 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski onesec.

16:17:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.00047689 = 24.2975 BTC [-]

16:18:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 275700 @ 0.00047669 = 131.4234 BTC [-] {7}

16:18:51 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://bringatrailer.com/2015/12/12/4wd-blues-28k-mile-1981-toyota-pick-up/ or http://bringatrailer.com/2015/12/15/5800-twin-turbo-302-1986-ford-f-150-sleeper/ for your usistan getaway vehicles :)

16:18:53 assbot: 4WD Blues: 28K Mile 1981 Toyota Pick-Up | Bring a Trailer ... ( http://bit.ly/1O67KGp )

16:18:54 assbot: $5800 Twin Turbo 302 1986 Ford F-150 Sleeper | Bring a Trailer ... ( http://bit.ly/1O67KWI )

16:18:54 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:19:39 mircea_popescu: ah, as per intel they actually bought okcupid for 50mn, so prolly should shed some zeros.

16:19:46 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344298 << the key to successful marketing is repetition and persistence. and repetition !

16:19:46 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 12:05:29; mircea_popescu: deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ? Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] << hey, maybe stick some more pete dushenski in there, pete_dushenski ? just in case tis not clear!

16:22:58 mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform the same iac/spamcorp owns the princetown review, your favourite!

16:23:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54750 @ 0.00047633 = 26.0791 BTC [-] {2}

16:26:50 mircea_popescu: "Product: Pixable

16:26:50 mircea_popescu: We achieved what we set out to do, even if the final result didn?t end up with us becoming the next Buzzfeed. We never wanted to be the next Buzzfeed. We always wanted to be who we were, Pixable. And it was working. Unfortunately, circumstances [despite reaching 9.4M active users and 58M monthly video views] ? made it difficult to raise money and continue on."

16:27:05 mircea_popescu: epic. "i am exactly who i wanted to be : a failure. unfortunately, this also means i die now. so long!"

16:27:38 *: mircea_popescu looks forward to hearing this an awful lot in the coming years, out of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343794

16:27:38 assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 19:39:26; mircea_popescu: ascii_field by the time that's done, my dear alf, everyone who's still asleep ain't never waking up again.

16:28:01 pete_dushenski: "i don't want to succeed if it means i can't be ME ! what am i, some sort of sellout ?"

16:28:36 mircea_popescu: right ?

16:28:40 mircea_popescu: "Title: Bitcoin Reputation Startup Bonafide to Shut Down

16:28:40 mircea_popescu: Product: Bonafide

16:28:40 mircea_popescu: In the email, co-founders Karthik Balasubramanian and Brian Moyer stated their belief that the movement of investor interest away from consumer-facing applications for the technology was also a factor. Balasubramanian and Moyer wrote: ?While investment and activity continues to occur it is focused on private and alternate chains rather than bitcoin or other public chains where Bonafide operates.? As a result, the c

16:28:40 mircea_popescu: o-founders said they saw ?little chance? that they would be able to generate revenue, pivot their product or secure additional funding."

16:28:53 mircea_popescu: all the things nobody heard of from all the people nobody heard of.

16:29:27 mircea_popescu: this is a little like being a chinese diplomat reviewing the records of this obscure tribe, meanwhile crushed, that apparently thought it had sent lots and lots of ambassadors, expeditions, generals, so forth.

16:29:48 mircea_popescu: nobody in china ever saw their faces before the day they were locked in a hut and burned alive, but hey. THEY thought they were part of the conversation.

16:30:13 pete_dushenski: and they have the fishwrap to prove it !

16:30:25 pete_dushenski: "look at all our media mentions !

16:30:27 pete_dushenski: "

16:30:51 mircea_popescu: but anyway, there's going to be A LOT of busting kneecaps of uppity ustard "capitalists" who imagine they actually get to have a say and whatnot.

16:31:09 pete_dushenski: this is actually an incredibly strong signal that the product in question is doomed, if their landing page says "as seen in nyt, good morning america, etc."

16:31:16 mircea_popescu: alternative and private, seriously ? what, like your wife & daughter ? why are they chained in my closed then, if they're this private an' alternative ?

16:31:20 mircea_popescu: i dun see any alternative there.

16:31:53 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343621 << this 'alternative'

16:31:53 assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 18:53:14; nubbins`: and if not, it's 100% because of everyone else

16:32:08 mircea_popescu: Product: Dine In

16:32:08 mircea_popescu: ?We knew acquisition was the best course of action,? says [Evan] Graj. That eventually led to Dine In being approached in February by a major Internet company active in the online food space, and it?s my understanding that by April ? and significant legal fees later ? a sale had been agreed. Then at the eleventh hour the deal unexpectedly fell through, leaving the restaurant delivery startup ?high and dry

16:32:09 mircea_popescu: ? and its unnamed acquirer a ?no-show?. Adds Graj: ?They backed out leaving us with a huge legal bill both for Dine In and myself personally, a huge debt to note holders, and no VCs to turn to. A hard lesson to learn and one I?ll be taking into my next venture.?

16:32:09 mircea_popescu: loller.

16:32:26 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/

16:32:27 assbot: Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6aNyh )

16:32:49 mircea_popescu: Product: Quirky

16:32:49 mircea_popescu: Steering the ship ? handling all of the engineering, manufacturing, marketing, and retailing, even when you?re taking 90 percent of the subsequent profits ? was ultimately too expensive of a proposition, especially in comparison to other, less-handholding-oriented start-ups. ?The reason why Kickstarter makes a ton of money is they don?t have to do anything besides put up a website,? Kaufman notes.

16:33:24 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/06/signing-a-shoe-is-the-same-as-signing-the-papers/ << more lyrical, same vein.

16:33:25 assbot: Signing a shoe is the same as signing the papers. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6b2cD )

16:33:38 mircea_popescu: Product: Selltag

16:33:39 mircea_popescu: Escribano said that the company?s main problem was user engagement and retention. ?In every marketplace you have the chicken-and-egg problem with buyers and sellers. We tried to capture them both organically and via paid marketing, but it wasn?t enough. Getting sellers was somewhat easy, but buyers much more complicated?

16:34:50 nubbins`: you could fill the oceans with people who thought buyers would magically appear

16:35:17 mircea_popescu: these are pretty epic.

16:35:19 mircea_popescu: "Product: Zen99

16:35:19 mircea_popescu: We had a user acquisition problem, and the best route involved a competitor?The best acquisition method I saw was tapping into an existing network of people who had filed 1099s: like Intuit?s hundreds of millions of tax returns, many with 1099 income. Unfortunately, Intuit released an identical competing product to us. It?s not ideal when your best user acquisition strategy is partnering with a company who has a

16:35:19 mircea_popescu: competing product."

16:35:37 mircea_popescu: "oh, we were going to change the world on someone else's dime. what do you mean "wut" ?!?!?! WE ARE GENIUZ!"

16:35:45 mircea_popescu: "Product: QBotix

16:35:45 mircea_popescu: Each member of our now pared-down team knew exactly how much runway the company had remaining, the status of our strategic talks, and the acknowledged long odds we faced as a going concern. To their credit, they remained focused, productive and on-task until our final day ? a remarkable expression of dedication to the mission and to each other. Sadly, and in spite of the achievements, we simply ran out of time and ca

16:35:45 mircea_popescu: sh to finish the job."

16:36:35 mircea_popescu: any mention of "i suck as a manager" eerily absent. "i don't suck as a manager - i gave all the people who had no responsibility in the matter all the data about what a shit job i was doing. this means i wasn't doing a shit job! this is also how i went through school - i told my parents about all the Cs i got! this is actually better than getting As!"

16:36:43 mircea_popescu: why are these people this fucking stupid ?

16:36:44 nubbins`: we knew we'd run out of gas, but bobby steered and lisa worked the accelerator and we got as far down that road as we could. unfortunately we just couldn't pull over to the shoulder.

16:37:24 mircea_popescu: this is like, fundamental abdication from humanity. these people aspire to be bugs.

16:37:55 mircea_popescu: "Product: Vatler

16:37:55 mircea_popescu: We started VATLER during the summer of 2014 as an on-demand valet service in San Francisco ? We received a phone call from the police department telling us that our permits had not been granted and they gave us a warning because we were operating illegally in most of our locations?In 2 weeks, we lost major accounts and 30% of our revenue streams without any perspective of growth. We tried to make some restaurants p

16:37:55 mircea_popescu: ay but it was just not working. Our model was no longer valid and were forced to cease operations in the city on September 7th."

16:38:20 pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, "Spousal resemblance on educational attainment was very high in the early twentieth century, declined to an all-time low for young couples in the early 1950s, and has increased steadily since then. These trends broadly parallel the compression and expansion of socioeconomic inequality in the United States over the twentieth century. Additionally, educationally similar parents are more likely to h

16:38:21 pete_dushenski: ave offspring who themselves marry within their own educational level." << thus, the true story behind the problem of idiot "boomers" is revealed : they thought they thought they could improve on history and stick it to their fuddy duddy parents all at the same time ! derp.

16:38:33 nubbins`: vatler

16:38:42 nubbins`: more like leller

16:38:43 mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of seinfeld, "i give some guy the keys to my car because he's wearing a vest"

16:39:09 mircea_popescu: this'd be an epic car theft ring, really. "kicstarter decentralized on demand carbon conscious valet service!"

16:39:09 nubbins`: this is great, i'm gonna read these over some coffee

16:39:53 mircea_popescu: "Product: Better

16:39:53 mircea_popescu: Better had one of the best consumer user experiences out there but that isn?t enough. "

16:40:06 mircea_popescu: gotta love "out there". it's almost as good as "self-aware citizen of the nubbins"

16:41:33 mircea_popescu: but hey... im sure they never said nigger and so how bad could it have been! out there!

16:42:57 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo so chuck lee makes it an entire thousand words without sounding like a complete momo, only to finish with "P.S. I’m currently in favor of scaling Bitcoin via 2–4–8, SegWit, and LN." like, wtf.

16:42:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:43:10 pete_dushenski: !gettrust charleslee

16:43:10 assbot: charleslee is not registered in WoT.

16:43:21 pete_dushenski: well, there'd be his problem.

16:43:58 mircea_popescu: "Product: Circa

16:43:58 mircea_popescu: Our ongoing plan was to monetize Circa News through the building of a strategy we had spent a long time developing but unfortunately we were unable to close a significant investment prior to becoming resource constrained."

16:44:09 mircea_popescu: i have a dog that speaks like this.

16:44:14 mircea_popescu: he's made out of pixels.

16:45:08 mircea_popescu: also, apparently all the douchy "entrepreneurs" and serial failurerists are on medium.

16:45:28 pete_dushenski: as is hearn, shock.

16:46:26 mircea_popescu: "Unfortunately, having failed to execute on our original vision, we recently made the decision to wind down the company."

16:46:31 mircea_popescu: wow, someone who went to school!

16:46:47 mircea_popescu: vocational school, it's true, but a damn sight better than the whole rest of 'em nevertheless.

16:47:06 mircea_popescu: https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*Bf3w_7sOPfgJHVnkWzn_ug.png << the us seriously looks more and more like soviet russia.

16:47:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1lPTHyw )

16:47:31 pete_dushenski: train tracks... to nowhere !

16:47:32 mircea_popescu: i wonder what will i be taking in my travels for the waitresses and secretaries. tp and jeans like before ? batteries, maybe ?

16:48:12 mircea_popescu: "UDesign? allowed everyday people to generate their own uniquely beautiful patterns for made-to-order clothing and accessories, using mathematical simulations inspired by Complexity science and Chaos theory."

16:48:34 pete_dushenski: butterflies choose your clothing size !

16:48:56 mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem here being that if your "mathematical simulations inspired by words" actually produce stuff people want to wear, then you don't need it to be an app, just build a factory ; on the other hand, if people have to design themselves, then you have the same old problem of UGC : people suck.

16:49:12 mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform someone decided to solve the problem of ugc by adding... WHITENING!

16:49:35 mircea_popescu: it not only made it impossible to immediately notice that people suck, but it also made it unobvious to gatekeepers that this is a dumb idea.

16:49:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 231885 @ 0.00047964 = 111.2213 BTC [+] {4}

16:49:55 mircea_popescu: incredibly enough, it STILL didn't work! yet nobody can ever tell him why! because IT WAS WHITENED!!! ha-ha!

16:50:05 mircea_popescu: how can these people be this dumb. seriously.

16:51:41 pete_dushenski: bbiab

16:51:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53050 @ 0.00047633 = 25.2693 BTC [-]

16:54:44 mircea_popescu: https://medium.com/@Santafebound/my-startup-failed-and-this-is-how-it-went-down-c9654d23c5be << notwithstanding the guy can't spell "its", not the worst piece.

16:54:45 assbot: My startup failed, and this is how it went down… — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1lPVfIN )

16:55:14 punkman: "No one is in charge; it’s visibly decaying. Megatons of it, irrelevant, incapable of restoration, the walking dead…the House of Usher."

16:55:21 mircea_popescu: " We spent way too much money. I?ll tell you exactly how much we spent:

16:55:21 mircea_popescu: ? $1000 on a conceptual promotional video for our brand.

16:55:22 mircea_popescu: ? $2000 for a second promotional video for our app.

16:55:22 mircea_popescu: ? $500 for promotional clothing for the models in our videos.

16:55:22 mircea_popescu: ? $Another 50 per model for the 10 models in our videos."

16:55:48 punkman: lol

16:55:53 mircea_popescu: check it out, the guy spent way too much money. s.mg blew up more than that on online advertising for eulora mostly to give me material to write derisively abot "the industry" of online advertising.

16:56:07 mircea_popescu: $50 a model, that's about what random internet ho gets for a titshot, and they still bitch about being face shy

16:56:58 mircea_popescu: these are the people that can't be bothered to notice posters that cost more than their underwear.

16:57:07 mircea_popescu: i don't mean what they're currently wearing, i mean all the underwear they ever used.

16:57:26 mircea_popescu: "After $4000 spent, there was NO way, in light of the supposed attention to detail and effort we put into our videography, that this could not generate some kind of a media buzz, and in return, contribute to revenue growth?" << loller.

16:57:37 mircea_popescu: talk to the derps that spent 200mn and nobody ever heard of them.

16:58:13 mircea_popescu: "The outcome? Based on subsequent actuarial, statistical, and financial analyses, we concluded that not a single dollar spent on videography amounted to a single dollar in revenue generated by those investments. In other words, every dollar we spent on videography and on models was, economically speaking, a complete and utter deadweight loss (photography actually proved to be very effective early on, and should we have

16:58:13 mircea_popescu: invested in that we may have been better off. In retrospect, however, it was still difficult to say whether it would have saved us from our subsequent mistakes).

16:58:13 mircea_popescu: So what was it? Did we just pick the wrong videographer? Did we pay too much for what was being offered? Should we have paid more for a more experienced videographer? Or significantly less for someone of equal calibre? Maybe our product just didn?t need a video? I mean, we?re selling women?s clothing and the items themselves are undoubtedly ?out there?. Perhaps leveraging word of mouth would have proved just

16:58:16 mircea_popescu: as effective?"

16:58:19 mircea_popescu: someone can afford to do actuarial work on 4k.

16:58:29 mircea_popescu: where the fuck do they hire those actuaries that work for 50 cents an hour ?

16:59:54 mircea_popescu: "3) Overconfidence. Some of us are too confident about our abilities, and this causes us to take greater risks in our daily lives." << mno. some of you are overfed and underexposed to risk of violent death. that makes you be stupid, it's got nothing to do with "risk taking" bs. it has everything to do with erroneously positioning oneself in relation to the outside world and the great things in it.

17:01:00 mircea_popescu: the notion that "uppity ustard talking out of line" is correctly represented as "fellow human taking on too much risk" is a core example of this problem, actually. what, we're all sitting at a table in mutual equality deciding how much to put down on red ? gtfo, you're not even allowed in the parking lot.

17:02:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89700 @ 0.00047621 = 42.716 BTC [-] {4}

17:02:52 punkman: guy's new venture: http://www.suitshare.com/

17:02:54 assbot: Suit Share ... ( http://bit.ly/1lPXb4b )

17:03:17 punkman: yeah I totally want random derps used suit

17:03:53 mircea_popescu: slutshare would be a better idea.

17:04:03 mircea_popescu: "got a ho you're tired of ? see who'd want her."

17:04:26 mircea_popescu: "the only apple app that celebrates women as items in trade"

17:04:35 mircea_popescu: now THAT'd get some buzz.

17:14:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101300 @ 0.00048202 = 48.8286 BTC [+] {2}

17:33:35 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:34:08 ascii_field: ;;later tell jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344384 << post it plz ?

17:34:08 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 15:52:10; jurov: and the code i ended up with is rather invasive :(

17:34:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:35:39 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344417 << p. review is an exam prep co. (a kind of 3-rd rate 'pepsi' to kaplan co., the mega-brand in that sector) and is not even connected with princeton uni., interestingly

17:35:39 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:22:58; mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform the same iac/spamcorp owns the princetown review, your favourite!

17:35:57 mircea_popescu: aha

17:36:23 ascii_field: i'm not sure why 'it is my favourite' other than the fact that i used to live on a street that had one such. it was quite dilapidated and possibly abandoned

17:37:13 ascii_field: afaik, the only notable thing about 'princeton review' is that - at least in the past - they 'guaranteed higher score or your money back!'

17:37:19 ascii_field: i do not know how this worked

17:37:28 ascii_field: possibly an actuarial sort of gambit.

17:37:51 mircea_popescu: !s princeton review

17:37:51 assbot: 0 results for 'princeton review' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=princeton+review

17:37:54 mircea_popescu: hm

17:38:01 mircea_popescu: i somehow thought you mentioned them once.

17:38:13 ascii_field: the exams they prep folks for have since been made easier in the name of 'diversity'

17:38:33 ascii_field: and now the prep corps are getting sad.

17:39:42 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344421 << usa's gonna need a good reliable supply of wagner & cyanide..

17:39:42 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:27:05; mircea_popescu: epic. "i am exactly who i wanted to be : a failure. unfortunately, this also means i die now. so long!"

17:40:34 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344426 << usg^H^H^Heloi lama sabachthani !!1111

17:40:34 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:28:40; mircea_popescu: "Title: Bitcoin Reputation Startup Bonafide to Shut Down

17:41:24 mircea_popescu: no you don't understand, they were going to sit themselves down in the middle of someone else's field and charge a toll!

17:41:29 mircea_popescu: i should be less psychopathic!

17:41:49 mircea_popescu: me. i should be. these fucktards who imagine the world exists like their stupid mother, just waiting for them to squeeze a tit a little are fine.

17:42:03 ascii_field: !s axenic mouse

17:42:04 assbot: 2 results for 'axenic mouse' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=axenic+mouse

17:42:26 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344452 << l0l! i misread as 'stalag' !!

17:42:26 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:33:38; mircea_popescu: Product: Selltag

17:42:30 mircea_popescu: incidentally, funny scene yest : /me turns a corner, openms door and goes in. because me is thirsty and place looks like a diner or soemthing.

17:42:37 mircea_popescu: assistence sheepishly followsa.

17:42:58 mircea_popescu: little does me know that the thing is a starbucks. little does me care, either. assistence is in disbelief over the wonder. mp in starbucks!

17:43:28 mircea_popescu: so while the girls tried to expedite a TWELVE PERSON QUEUE at the SINGLE OPEN COUNTER in what the argentinian fucktards fraudulently misrepresent as a local instantiation of a usian chain

17:43:33 ascii_field: hey they serve perfectly good piss

17:43:38 mircea_popescu: (seriously, imagine this in an actual starbucks lmao!)

17:43:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 260716 @ 0.00047592 = 124.08 BTC [-] {6}

17:44:03 mircea_popescu: i watched a middle aged woman and two young men. they were seated at some table being the usual monkeys adolescents are today

17:44:15 ascii_field: and the starbux i went to a few days ago looked exactly like this.

17:44:27 mircea_popescu: and the woman was running back and forth bringing them shit and kneeling at that low coffee table so i could see her asscrack through her pants.

17:44:53 mircea_popescu: and i was like... what the fuck is wrong with you woman! i have women to run around and serve me because i'm fucking special.

17:45:07 mircea_popescu: why the fuck are you trying to cheat at life ? your two idiots aren't worth eating for fucks sake.

17:45:41 mircea_popescu: but no, she gotta http://fraudsters.com/2012/tara-ca-un-hotel-sau-o-schimbare-de-perspectiva/#selection-61.245-69.360

17:45:42 assbot: Tara ca un hotel, sau o schimbare de perspectiva on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UA1lsf )

17:47:12 mircea_popescu: ascii_field they're skimping on service in the us too now ?

17:47:19 ascii_field: aha

17:47:27 ascii_field: whole-room queues, etc.

17:47:33 mircea_popescu: ajhahaha what

17:47:36 mircea_popescu: so how is it america ?

17:47:51 ascii_field: idk i've never been to any of the other usas

17:48:06 ascii_field: only this one

17:49:03 mircea_popescu: even as late as 2004 queues were still reserved for subway and other subhumanities.

17:49:24 *: ascii_field vaguely recalls that - yes

17:49:42 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344498 << if going to west coast - ammo. (which, iirc, is hard to find there)

17:49:42 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:47:32; mircea_popescu: i wonder what will i be taking in my travels for the waitresses and secretaries. tp and jeans like before ? batteries, maybe ?

17:50:04 nubbins`: back when i drank the black piss from starbucks

17:50:26 ascii_field: the mega-s33kr1t of starbucks is why it became popular

17:50:32 nubbins`: i was surprised to discover that they teach the english menu to employees in non-english-speaking countries

17:50:35 ascii_field: (prices helped to filter out untermenschen!)

17:50:50 nubbins`: i.e. i walked into a starbucks in seoul and ordered my usual in english and they /made it/

17:51:03 mircea_popescu: english menu aka "venti" ?

17:51:07 nubbins`: lel yes

17:51:43 nubbins`: like you just say "5-shot venti caramel no-room americano"

17:51:48 nubbins`: and it appears in yr hand

17:51:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, in this particular case they didn't manage to close the sale in a minute or so, and so i walked out.

17:51:58 nubbins`: entire menu: english words transliterated into korean alphabet

17:52:13 *: mircea_popescu has spent less time waiting than most people spent having orgasms, afaict.

17:53:12 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344279 << >> http://imgur.com/gallery/JZ3yjCD

17:53:12 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 11:27:29; punkman: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/millionaire-ehsan-abdulaziz-who-said-he-accidentally-tripped-and-penetrated-teen-is-cleared-of-rape-a6774946.html

17:53:13 assbot: Sex is not an accident - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8mHgn )

17:54:20 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344502 << wat?!

17:54:20 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:49:12; mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform someone decided to solve the problem of ugc by adding... WHITENING!

17:54:25 mircea_popescu: ascii_field depends if we're talking the lesser briton or the superior arab stock.

17:54:59 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i can only assume it was a straight case of 'hands off because foreign relations' thing

17:55:13 mircea_popescu: nope.

17:55:31 mircea_popescu: it was a case of "the best thing that can happen to a subhuman british citizen is being used for the pleasure of a superior muslin man"

17:55:36 mircea_popescu: straight case alright.

17:56:32 mircea_popescu: if i ever end up accused of rape in the crown's possessions i will point out that not being british myself, they shouldn't be as presumptious as all this. i'll tell them if i fucked them or not if i feel like it, no need to try and invent themselves merits scripturally.

17:56:54 mircea_popescu: such honor is, after all, to be earned.

17:57:47 ascii_field: if herr assange is any precedent, nato rape charge will at some point be sop for anyone even half-famous

17:59:55 mircea_popescu: apparently not.

18:00:44 mircea_popescu: only for the... peons. hm. need a word to brand the subhuman quality of white/english speaking/western world folk.

18:01:00 mircea_popescu: rapemeat, maybe ? wews, just like jews but white ?

18:02:10 mircea_popescu: im starting to understand that part of the reason people still stick around is that they don't have a ready reference for their inferiority as white people in the western world.

18:03:00 mircea_popescu: there should be a word. maybe we reuse the old ottoman gyauri

18:03:25 ascii_field: stick around ?

18:03:39 nubbins`: y'know, not commit seppuku

18:03:53 ascii_field: they're already slow-seppukuing

18:04:06 ascii_field: i suppose if mircea_popescu wants to pass out wagner & cyanide, it'll go a little faster

18:04:19 mircea_popescu: lo lthat was fast.

18:04:21 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

18:04:54 mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose with any luck the alien invasion discovers cold fusion as an apple app or something. you never know, right ? hay mas futuro.

18:05:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104650 @ 0.00048464 = 50.7176 BTC [+] {3}

18:06:03 mircea_popescu: trizantynes lol.

18:06:29 ascii_field: holyfuq wat

18:08:18 mircea_popescu: you know, bi+1

18:10:00 ascii_field: aha

18:11:01 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344533 << gotta be a gag

18:11:01 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 17:02:52; punkman: guy's new venture: http://www.suitshare.com/

18:11:58 mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how retarded adolescence works.

18:12:29 ascii_field: aha

18:13:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31899 @ 0.00047628 = 15.1929 BTC [-] {2}

18:13:19 ascii_field: i only know how antisocial maths adolescence wurks

18:13:31 ascii_field: mebbe close enough ?

18:15:50 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344578 << oh and in case mircea_popescu did not know : american starbucks DOES NOT have table service of whatever kind

18:15:50 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 17:44:27; mircea_popescu: and the woman was running back and forth bringing them shit and kneeling at that low coffee table so i could see her asscrack through her pants.

18:15:51 ascii_field: ever.

18:16:09 ascii_field: whether with ugly or pretty gurlz

18:16:16 mircea_popescu: ascii_field neither did this one, but i have my own.

18:16:20 mircea_popescu: i'm advanced like that.

18:16:28 ascii_field: it will have an elephant if you bring yer own, too

18:16:35 mircea_popescu: aha.

18:16:37 ascii_field: nuthin wrhng witht hat

18:16:39 ascii_field: aha

18:16:55 mircea_popescu: speaking of, it's a little declase to not have one's own valet, don't we find ?

18:17:06 mircea_popescu: not having owe's own horse i could see, on the grounds that, well... it;'s the town.

18:17:17 mircea_popescu: but no valet ? what sort of a man's one supposed to be ?

18:17:40 ascii_field: wasn't mircea_popescu explaining that there is a horde of usians without even own car now ?

18:17:53 ascii_field: much less own driver

18:18:12 mircea_popescu: no but was discussing men.

18:18:31 mircea_popescu: i mean, i myself am a pervert, use females for the role. but this notwithstanding...

18:18:44 mircea_popescu: seems a pretty minimal bar.

18:19:01 ascii_field: minimal for what ?

18:19:03 ascii_field: dirigible ?

18:19:05 mircea_popescu: manhood.

18:19:44 ascii_field: well i live on mouse planet with the other mice and so anything mircea_popescu tells us about the man planet, i'll prolly believe

18:22:03 mircea_popescu: i am trying to introduce it on the basis of le logique~

18:22:26 ascii_field: bahahawat

18:23:16 mircea_popescu: no ?

18:23:24 ascii_field: 'Yea, a trooper of the forces who has run his own six horses!' -- kipling

18:23:50 mircea_popescu: whu!

18:24:22 ascii_field: http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_gentlemen.htm

18:24:22 assbot: Poems - Gentlemen-rankers ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6yCWJ )

18:25:04 mircea_popescu: i know the poem, i'm just not following what you're saying here!

18:25:24 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344654 << mainly re: this

18:25:24 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 18:17:06; mircea_popescu: not having owe's own horse i could see, on the grounds that, well... it;'s the town.

18:25:39 ascii_field: and whether 'serious man' ought to have own horse, and what is the equiv. today

18:26:40 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell BingoBoingo so chuck lee makes it an entire thousand words without sounding like a complete momo, only to finish with "P.S. I?m currently in favor of scaling Bitcoin via 2?4?8, SegWit, and LN." like, wtf. << But he also took the castle analogy from a contravex it seems

18:27:16 mircea_popescu: yes but to run six horses is a diff story

18:27:19 mircea_popescu: he didn't own those

18:28:14 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my understanding is that the fella in k's thing ~did~ (past tense) own them. and then descended into 'trooper' class, and wallows in self-pity

18:28:34 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: aha. that. you know my writings better than i do lol

18:30:03 mircea_popescu: oh

18:30:06 mircea_popescu: perhaps huh.

18:30:27 punkman: ascii_field: [...] http://imgur.com/gallery/JZ3yjCD << that's pretty great

18:30:28 assbot: Sex is not an accident - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8mHgn )

18:46:28 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:46:33 ascii_field: http://www.dhs.gov/ntas/advisory/ntas_15_1216_0001 << from the u.s. ministry of luvv

18:46:34 assbot: National Terrorism Advisory System Bulletin - December 16, 2015 | Homeland Security ... ( http://bit.ly/227UMCo )

18:47:09 nubbins`: i like how they refer to the country as "the homeland"

18:47:22 ascii_field: a bushism

18:47:30 mircea_popescu: reminds me of a certain guy with a moustache

18:47:36 mircea_popescu: vaterland!11

18:47:53 ascii_field: отечество

18:48:14 nubbins`: If You See Something Say Something™ used with permission of the NY Metropolitan Transportation Authority.

18:48:15 mircea_popescu: aha

18:48:16 ascii_field: it is only funny because usa is nobody's homeland

18:48:27 ascii_field: 'we must die for our hotel, soldiers!'

18:48:29 mircea_popescu: it's actually everyone's not-homeland

18:48:34 ascii_field: aha.

18:48:48 mircea_popescu: everyone there is either a midwesterner or else "only here for a few years to make enough money to run off to argentina / send back home to laos"

18:49:00 ascii_field: nubbins`: every other bus in d.c. region now has a HUGE 'see sumthing say sumthing' on it

18:49:21 mircea_popescu: surprisingly, the end-of-life of a place which everyone uses as a mine is... being a garbage dump

18:49:23 nubbins`: ostensibly not to be used to report gov idiocy / graft / wastage

18:49:52 ascii_field: nubbins`: actually we had 'report welfare fraud!111' ads for a while

18:50:13 nubbins`: in a sane world that would explicitly equate to reporting lazy gov workers

18:50:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106100 @ 0.00048543 = 51.5041 BTC [+]

18:51:00 ascii_field: nubbins` would like to see ~more vigorous~ usg workers ?!

18:51:10 ascii_field: i think i'll pass

18:52:06 ascii_field: from earlier lul, 'Bitcoin remittance startup 37coins closes its doors... At the time of our launch, few bitcoin services actively catered to the underbanked and unbanked. Fortunately that is no longer the case. There are now many amazing bitcoin companies like BitGive Foundation...'

18:52:06 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

18:52:10 ascii_field: barfalicious

18:53:23 ascii_field: and one of the dead adults,

18:53:24 ascii_field: 'In [Calxeda's] case, we moved faster than our customers could move. We moved with tech that wasn’t really ready for them – ie, with 32-bit when they wanted 64-bit. We moved when the operating-system environment was still being fleshed out – [Ubuntu Linux maker] Canonical is all right, but where is Red Hat? We were too early.'

18:53:36 ascii_field: jurov ^ were these your arm boxes ?

18:53:41 ascii_field: from last year

18:53:55 nubbins`: oh that reminds me

18:54:09 jurov: what?

18:54:10 nubbins`: i signed up for this broadband speed test thing

18:54:18 jurov: i did not put these online yet

18:54:20 nubbins`: major ISPs have been getting flak for crappy speeds

18:54:31 nubbins`: company sends me: an openwrt router

18:58:12 BingoBoingo: !getrust coblee

18:59:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31165 @ 0.00047925 = 14.9358 BTC [-] {2}

18:59:06 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/06/17/why-its-over-for-litecoin/ << speaking of litecoin, just updated this old piece.

18:59:07 assbot: Why It’s Over For Litecoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/227WNhV )

19:01:51 pete_dushenski: actually the comments in there are pretty golden, mainly because a couple of our old boys - pankkake and thickasthieves - make appearances.

19:01:54 ascii_field: https://medium.com/inside-wattage/well-we-failed-77e795e16ecf#.m5g1hn28x << ahahahahah l0l!

19:01:55 assbot: Well, We Failed. — Inside Wattage — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/227Xfgf )

19:02:32 ascii_field: 'We wanted to make it so creating and selling hardware was as easy as writing and publishing a blog post. You shouldn’t need to be an electrical engineer or an industrial designer to create electronic devices. Nor should you have to worry about supply chain or distribution if you wanted to sell them. We believed it was possible to eliminate all of that complexity, so the average person could easily create highl

19:02:32 ascii_field: y customized hardware without any electronics know-how, all within their browser. Of course, things didn’t exactly play out that way. But why?'

19:06:04 ascii_field: 'Brawker is a Bitcoin buying service enabling consumer to purchase products with bitcoin. Company (Dead / Inactive)'

19:06:14 ascii_field: aww.

19:08:37 ascii_field: the 'lumos' link is to a still-alive photovoltaic maker !

19:08:38 ascii_field: idiots

19:09:13 ascii_field: doesn't seem to be connected with the 'home automation' derpery

19:09:17 pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.coblee.-1:c57c32e81236f7a81f09f6711e561f9d861427b6eb5fc8869081279a8fa95627

19:09:17 assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for coblee with note: plagiarist. shill.

19:10:25 pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.travispatron.-1:89ed5b6dd0be79f5f5046b2189526293c31f07ebf0f9459261dbd99851e1af5e

19:10:25 assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for travispatron with note: plagiarist. dunning-krugerand.

19:18:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156000 @ 0.00048448 = 75.5789 BTC [+] {4}

19:24:52 punkman: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10746134

19:24:53 assbot: Web development is in truly a sad state. Having worked on a larger Node project... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1T25ww2 )

19:25:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 307439 @ 0.00048676 = 149.649 BTC [+] {3}

19:25:37 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:25:52 ascii_field: punkman: and mircea_popescu is puzzled why i'd rather be shot in the head six times than do www wurk

19:25:53 punkman: "I don't think most people run into this because most backend node programmers have moved to Go at this point" yeah because Go totally won't have dependency hell

19:26:29 ascii_field: maggots luvvvv a fresh piece of meat

19:26:36 ascii_field: but it doesn't stay fresh for long, no.

19:28:48 punkman: example: https://github.com/docker/docker/blob/master/docker/daemon.go

19:28:49 assbot: docker/daemon.go at master · docker/docker · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1T25V1u )

19:29:48 punkman: well bad example

19:31:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.00048806 = 25.0619 BTC [+] {2}

19:37:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28318 @ 0.00048835 = 13.8291 BTC [+]

19:38:48 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344585 << Last year was on a college campus where starbucks in student center had two tables and dedicated majority of floorspace for que

19:38:48 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 17:47:27; ascii_field: whole-room queues, etc.

19:40:30 pete_dushenski: this is sop for tim hortons in canada.

19:41:04 pete_dushenski: 50-100 meatpuppet line-ups 'normal' between classes and anywhere within walking distance of gov offices.

19:44:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71000 @ 0.00048327 = 34.3122 BTC [-] {2}

19:47:07 nubbins`: tim hortons drive-thrus routinely cause traffic jams here

19:47:20 pete_dushenski: without philipinos (the actual, irl kind), these tim hortons operations would grind to a halt.

19:47:29 nubbins`: like, drive-thru full, parking lot full, cars just blocking road w/ right-turn indicator on

19:47:42 pete_dushenski: l0l

19:47:46 nubbins`: i didn't think they used robusta

19:47:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87079 @ 0.00048327 = 42.0827 BTC [-]

19:48:08 nubbins`: timmy's a stone's throw from my house had to modify parking lot last year

19:48:20 nubbins`: to make a drive-thru maze that would accomodate more cars

19:48:28 nubbins`: still backs up onto road.

19:48:52 nubbins`: and people still pull up behind the 5th car out in the road to get in the drive thru line

19:49:33 nubbins`: in ford f350s and big suvs, neutral gear, gassing it to the redline

19:49:53 nubbins`: telling people to shut up and drink their oil

19:51:21 BingoBoingo: http://gomerblog.com/2015/12/screen-time-kids/

19:51:22 assbot: Unlimited screen time recommended by AAP during holidays for kids | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1T27Y5z )

19:52:21 pete_dushenski: haha

19:52:31 BingoBoingo: telling people to shut up and drink their oil << When plasticar was geared up in "Mad Max" mode with duct tape everywhere it was the mega trucks which offered it the widest berths.

19:53:09 nubbins`: took up three parking spots too, no doubt

19:53:47 BingoBoingo: Occasionally

19:55:53 BingoBoingo: From the tard mines: "Among the strongest creations of Team Abrams, Kylo Ren is a kind of baby Darth Vader who throws tantrums in inky-black robes while wearing a leather-and-metal-head appliance that looks like a domination mask by way of the grille of a 1952 Chevy." -NYtimes

19:57:46 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

19:57:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125400 @ 0.00048842 = 61.2479 BTC [+] {3}

19:59:13 BingoBoingo: Also from mines: "Donald Trump, who claims to be the ?best on the military? among the 2016 Presidential candidates because he is the best at everything, apparently has no idea what the nuclear triad is."

20:06:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344744 << sauce ?

20:06:40 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 19:25:52; ascii_field: punkman: and mircea_popescu is puzzled why i'd rather be shot in the head six times than do www wurk

20:07:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344760 << nuts.

20:07:34 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 19:47:29; nubbins`: like, drive-thru full, parking lot full, cars just blocking road w/ right-turn indicator on

20:08:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344769 << this is what happens when you give poor people money.

20:08:14 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 19:49:53; nubbins`: telling people to shut up and drink their oil

20:10:35 mircea_popescu: The only thing you can do is npm shrinkwrap and never update your dependencies ever again << doh.

20:11:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00048595 = 14.3355 BTC [-] {2}

20:11:41 mircea_popescu: "The Node/JS ecosystems are experiencing a Cambrian explosion in technology, with all that implies. If you don't like it, don't worry. It probably won't take 20 million years this time to settle in on the "best" ways of doing things."

20:11:43 mircea_popescu: ha-ha.

20:11:45 mircea_popescu: mmmkay.

20:12:06 mircea_popescu: "Hey man it was a fun jab, and try not to take things so seriously. It's hyperbole and it's part of who I am and how I get a statement across."

20:12:13 mircea_popescu: dude that reddit...

20:12:16 *: mircea_popescu backs away slowly.

20:12:30 mircea_popescu: these derps "are" something now ?

20:29:59 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:30:57 BingoBoingo: In the same way turds "are" something

20:31:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56700 @ 0.00048617 = 27.5658 BTC [+]

20:37:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5364 @ 0.00048595 = 2.6066 BTC [-]

20:37:50 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344779 << carefully playing pretend

20:37:50 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 19:59:13; BingoBoingo: Also from mines: "Donald Trump, who claims to be the ?best on the military? among the 2016 Presidential candidates because he is the best at everything, apparently has no idea what the nuclear triad is."

20:37:54 ascii_field: a la bush II

20:41:30 kakobrekla: !s Decred

20:41:31 assbot: 0 results for 'Decred' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Decred

20:41:41 kakobrekla: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-developers-are-creating-a-new-digital-currency-called-decred/

20:41:42 assbot: Bitcoin Developers Are Creating a New Digital Currency Called Decred - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1IV4NfO )

20:42:04 fluffypony: kakobrekla: that's a PR overstatement, it's the Conformal / btcd guys

20:43:10 ascii_field: 'A hybrid proof-of-work and proof-of-stake technology-based consensus system that will balance consensus between miners and voters... [buncha crud snipped] ... Bottom-up non-financial decision making through the Decred Assembly by community members contributing to the project through work and effort.'

20:43:15 ascii_field: do we need to read more ?

20:43:35 kakobrekla: you came further than i

20:43:43 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358.0

20:43:45 assbot: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7GVoD )

20:44:00 ascii_field: also i saw 'decred' and assumed it was something about ro's decret children

20:44:52 kakobrekla: >Possible bitcoin implementation/compatibility due to the main contributors being those behind the development of btcsuite.

20:45:20 fluffypony: json rpc api compatibility, I guess

20:45:45 kakobrekla: runs on x86, ergo bitcoin compatible

20:46:52 ascii_field: !s meni rosenfeld

20:46:52 assbot: 18 results for 'meni rosenfeld' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meni+rosenfeld

20:48:04 ascii_field: ' Self-funded development via block subsidy - In order to have an ongoing source of funding for development work, a consensus rule has been added to allocate 10% of each block subsidy to a development organization. This entity is transparent and responsible for funding development work performed by current and new developers so that the project remains sustainable without a funding dependence on outside forces in the

20:48:04 ascii_field: future. Decred therefore improves with growth in a sustainable way and is accountable only to its users.'

20:48:08 ascii_field: ahahahaha wat

20:48:49 kakobrekla: devs feel they should get paid for derp work

20:49:21 ascii_field: premining not good enough for these folks ?

20:49:49 kakobrekla: naturally

20:50:11 kakobrekla: what if its worth something one day and they used it all for mcdonalds already?

20:50:39 ascii_field: like sov 'privatization' vouchers ?

20:51:04 kakobrekla: im not familiar with those

20:52:54 ascii_field: kakobrekla: https://www.rt.com/news/russian-voucher-privatisation-15-years-on

20:52:56 assbot: Russian voucher privatisation: 15 years on — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7I53t )

20:53:06 ascii_field: ^ basic likbez

20:58:21 ascii_field: this is sorta the definition of being poor - to not have anything that you might not end up 'having to sell for mcdonalds'

20:59:10 kakobrekla: iirc something similar happened here at some point

20:59:33 ascii_field: mircea_popescu described exactly same thing in ro

21:00:04 kakobrekla: even i got the shares of some companies, which i later sold for btc

21:00:08 kakobrekla: was a good deal

21:00:35 jurov: cuz slovenians don't know how to steal

21:01:01 jurov: czechoslovak voucher privatisation ended up a lottery

21:01:10 jurov: !up ascii_field

21:01:38 kakobrekla: well this seems a common practice

21:02:14 jurov: yup, washington consesus or whatitwascalled

21:12:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00048615 = 13.8796 BTC [+] {2}

21:13:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59550 @ 0.00048616 = 28.9508 BTC [+]

21:13:50 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.20000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b81

21:17:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35792 @ 0.00048328 = 17.2976 BTC [-] {2}

21:21:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16668 @ 0.00048616 = 8.1033 BTC [+]

21:22:02 pete_dushenski: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.20000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 << waitwut! 'When the difference between a given "Yes" bet time and the event time is less than two weeks, that bet will be refunded less BitBet's fee." means this guy is shooting for december 30 and 31 EXCLUSIVELY. that's some kinda aim lol

21:22:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115832 @ 0.00048687 = 56.3951 BTC [+] {3}

21:23:01 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not such big balls. risking only fee if hit on any other days.

21:24:22 BingoBoingo: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article49766215.html

21:24:22 assbot: Rural NC town mocked on social media after passing solar moratorium | News & Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qt0WZN )

21:24:39 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: well, price still has to hit 600 before now and new years...

21:24:56 pete_dushenski: otherwise, dude's out 1.2 btc.

21:25:17 BingoBoingo: Big, but Not such big

21:27:33 BingoBoingo: "Heiniger?s call-to-arms, reproduced in at least one local paper, predicts that solar farms could shift land use to such an extent that ?it is highly unlikely this land will ever be farmed again.? Heiniger also denounced solar energy as a government-subsidized boondoggle that is ?highly inefficient at producing energy.?"

21:28:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151900 @ 0.00048789 = 74.1105 BTC [+] {3}

21:29:09 BingoBoingo: ?We?re not opposed to the solar farm itself, just that particular location,? Lane said. ?We wanted to make sure they didn?t overtake the town.? << Translation: 3 in our backyard already, stop forcing them down our throats if you won't even have one of your own

21:31:37 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

21:32:46 kakobrekla: speaking of food i just got a fresh batch of horse meat from a local farmer - man this shit is crazy good, sorry cows you can go home

21:33:22 BingoBoingo: Beautiful. Better than Doormouse?

21:35:07 kakobrekla: doormouse is a delicacy here and you cant really get it in large quantities, also it has very poor meat to bone ratio - and because of the doormouse diet, meat has a quite strong and specific taste - i prefer horse indeed

21:35:36 BingoBoingo: Perhaps what the world needs is doormoose.

21:36:26 kakobrekla: the dms fat has some very nice healing qualities tho

21:37:25 kakobrekla: people successfully use it for various types of skin issues and even joint pains and so on

21:38:02 BingoBoingo: So we really do need to make them bigger.

21:38:07 kakobrekla: hehe

21:47:33 *: BingoBoingo things kakobrekla and nubbins` should collaborate on this urgent concern

21:47:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 469 @ 0.00256035 = 1.2008 BTC [-] {15}

21:48:15 kakobrekla: im confused, i tell him how they taste like and he prints posters in such taste?

21:48:53 BingoBoingo: Well, you have the mice and he has the moose.

21:49:20 BingoBoingo: If nubbins doesn't clean his kitchen it will rapidly fill with moose

21:49:28 kakobrekla: the thing is, big things lose on quality

21:49:45 kakobrekla: ever had wild strawberry?

21:50:01 BingoBoingo: Have some in backyard, very good

21:50:35 kakobrekla: aha, store bought are like watermelons comparably to wild ones. by size and taste.

21:51:10 BingoBoingo: yeah, maybe we'll have to table this until we get bored with our chip fabs and can move on to our own monsanto

21:53:31 BingoBoingo: But GMO mammals instead of corn and soy because much safer.

22:01:53 pete_dushenski: fuck the idiots who only post first names on their company directory.

22:02:12 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:02:15 ascii_field: 'In the past few years, about two dozen solar farms around the state have become targets of public ire, usually over aesthetics and property values. Facing local hostility, several of these energy projects were voluntarily withdrawn by the developers, said Daniel Conrad, a staff attorney for the N.C. Utilities Commission. The resistance often flares up in areas that have become magnets for solar farms – agricultura

22:02:16 ascii_field: l communities with cheap farmland near electrical substations where solar farms can interconnect to the power grid..'

22:02:41 ascii_field: ^ let's hope the imbeciles like shitting in the dark come the petrocalypse

22:03:21 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Cow town already has plenty of solar farm for themselves. It's Raleigh that has none.

22:03:32 ascii_field: (photovoltaics are thermodynamically -ev, but economically interesting because they... work while they work. and hence 'lock in' some joules for the owner)

22:04:25 pete_dushenski: like a give a shit about how cool and informal your company is. but i guess this speaks to how fungible your retarded staff are eh. "oh, matt left, but we got a new matt, just like the old one". keep being washing machines, i'm sure you'll be mega profitable.

22:04:29 BingoBoingo: Could even be economically +ev

22:04:37 ascii_field: like war.

22:05:32 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: where was this

22:05:50 pete_dushenski: http://www.republicarchitecture.ca/ and similar.

22:05:52 assbot: Republic Architecture Inc ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7Rp7o )

22:05:53 jurov: !s photovoltaics ascii

22:05:53 assbot: 0 results for 'photovoltaics ascii' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=photovoltaics+ascii

22:06:15 pete_dushenski: and of course, no mailing address on 'contact' page. godfuckdamnallyourdumbmothers!!!1

22:06:30 pete_dushenski: ... it's on 'where' page.

22:06:32 jurov: ascii_field: what do you mean thermodynamically -ev?

22:06:47 ascii_field: jurov: costs more joules to make than yields over working life

22:06:58 pete_dushenski: because communication and physicality are incompatibru !

22:07:06 jurov: ascii_field: source?

22:07:30 ascii_field: jurov: back of envelope calculation, somewhere in the logz

22:08:16 ascii_field: jurov: if you feel like putting in the sweat and re-crunching the numberz for modern input, we will learn something useful

22:09:57 ascii_field: but the possibly novel thought earlier was, that photovoltaic could be a useful thing even if ~heavily~ -ev in the thermo sense

22:10:12 ascii_field: because it locks in 'J joules over Y years' sorta like a hedged bitbet

22:10:33 jurov: ;;calc 0.1*6*3600*3650

22:10:33 gribble: 7884000.0

22:10:49 jurov: 100 watt * 6 hours daily * 10years

22:10:50 BingoBoingo: Limiting factor seems to be that upper limit of pv panel lifespan is something of an unknown

22:11:01 ascii_field: whereas a concentrated energy carrier like, say, a few tonnes of petrol, is a) volatile b) flammable c) easily stolen d) requires finicky engine, with associated maintenance, ditto dynamo

22:11:28 jurov: BingoBoingo: lifetime at least 10y is proben in practice

22:11:54 ascii_field: (diesel is slightly less terrifying with respect to 'a' and 'b' but has same problems)

22:11:55 BingoBoingo: jurov: Then there's ones still running 30 and 60 years out

22:12:15 jurov: so manufacturing the 1m2 piece of silicon needs much more than 8 GJ?

22:12:19 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: tricky. there are multiple failure modes, and dead short is one of them

22:13:25 ascii_field: jurov: where do you live where you get 100W for 6h/d

22:13:29 jurov: 8GJ ~ 2 MWh . hard to believe

22:13:37 ascii_field: per m^2

22:13:55 nubbins`: i actually have some moose in my freezer right now

22:14:00 nubbins`: may make sausages over the holidays

22:14:04 ascii_field: and where can i buy a m^2 cell that yields 100W ever

22:14:08 ascii_field: i'd like one.

22:15:11 jurov: well, throw in a better number

22:16:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181100 @ 0.00048327 = 87.5202 BTC [-] {3}

22:16:57 ascii_field: http://pvcalc.org/pvcalc << possibly

22:16:59 assbot: PVCalc - The Return (ROI) Calculator for PV solar energy investments | PVCalc.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1YihCaU )

22:18:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160880 @ 0.00048214 = 77.5667 BTC [-] {3}

22:20:17 jurov: 65W ~1m2 solar panel can be bought for $150, which roughly means 1 MWh of electricity

22:21:15 jurov: so it looks about on par

22:21:29 ascii_field: neato

22:25:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54020 @ 0.00048374 = 26.1316 BTC [+] {2}

22:26:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25376 @ 0.00048529 = 12.3147 BTC [+]

22:29:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74488 @ 0.00048529 = 36.1483 BTC [+]

22:32:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344818 <<< ahahaha

22:32:38 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 20:48:04; ascii_field: ' Self-funded development via block subsidy - In order to have an ongoing source of funding for development work, a consensus rule has been added to allocate 10% of each block subsidy to a development organization. This entity is transparent and responsible for funding development work performed by current and new developers so that the project remains sustainable without a funding dependence on outs

22:33:00 mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is how the catholic church was born.

22:33:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344822 <<< apparently the death of wuille coming so soon after the public rape of gavin and hearn really stung the monkey brain.

22:33:47 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 20:49:21; ascii_field: premining not good enough for these folks ?

22:33:59 mircea_popescu: they gotta matter god dangit! through work!

22:34:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344825 << funny, romania had the same thging.

22:34:26 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 20:50:39; ascii_field: like sov 'privatization' vouchers ?

22:34:27 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:34:44 ascii_field: while mozerfuking sovblok had it

22:34:48 ascii_field: *whole

22:35:10 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344934 << in english lands this is called 'tilt'

22:35:10 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:33:59; mircea_popescu: they gotta matter god dangit! through work!

22:35:17 ascii_field: (among pokerists)

22:35:37 mircea_popescu: not at all. tilt is when you play poorly / too agressively and LOSE YOUR OWN MONEY.

22:35:46 mircea_popescu: poor people by definition can't go on tilt.

22:35:57 ascii_field: well, when you play poorly from rage at having sucked earlier

22:36:45 pete_dushenski: can always borrow someone else's money to go on tilt

22:36:50 mircea_popescu: i guess

22:36:53 pete_dushenski: even tiltier this way

22:37:08 mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe it works this way. in my mind it's very stricrtly related to blowing a roll tho

22:37:28 *: ascii_field is curious whether 'tilt' usage appeared first in poker or in 'pinball'

22:37:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344867 ahahahaha

22:37:39 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 21:48:15; kakobrekla: im confused, i tell him how they taste like and he prints posters in such taste?

22:38:00 mircea_popescu: ascii_field pinball. the idea there is you can get the machine in a state where it "pays" you for free.

22:38:11 mircea_popescu: hence in poker, you're like a pinball machine on tilt.

22:38:29 *: pete_dushenski had a pinball machine as a boy

22:38:44 pete_dushenski: 10th bday gift from parents.

22:38:52 pete_dushenski: worked for maybe 2-3 before broke.

22:38:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344873 << might also be a species issue. there's two kinds, the common strawberry and the tiny one.

22:38:53 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 21:50:35; kakobrekla: aha, store bought are like watermelons comparably to wild ones. by size and taste.

22:39:09 mircea_popescu: yea pete_dushenski im sure IT broke :D

22:39:18 deedbot-: [Qntra] New Terror Alert And Accelerated Anti-Internet Rhetoric - http://qntra.net/2015/12/new-terror-alert-and-accelerated-anti-internet-rhetoric/

22:39:38 kakobrekla: arent the store bought same as wild but bread for quantity (size) ?

22:39:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344876 << if madonna and cher want to make a blockchain technologies wallet start-up who are you to hate@!

22:39:43 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:01:53; pete_dushenski: fuck the idiots who only post first names on their company directory.

22:39:52 kakobrekla: like grain was made of grass

22:39:53 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nah genuinely different species.

22:40:07 pete_dushenski: pinball machine was then sent to only shop in town who could fix ~40 year-old machine, but delivery was same as cost of repair, so parents borrowed pick-up truck, from whence the machine fell off the back and broke, again, on the very. last. corner. to. our. house.

22:40:19 mircea_popescu: fragaria vesca vs fragaria viridis

22:41:08 pete_dushenski: by the time heartbreak healed and we looked around for another repair shop, there were none.

22:41:36 pete_dushenski: i think it's still in storage afaik. 'surfer' theme.

22:42:00 kakobrekla: grain is also different from grass in terms of species, but its a man made difference

22:42:08 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344968 << mmm

22:42:08 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:40:19; mircea_popescu: fragaria vesca vs fragaria viridis

22:42:10 *: ascii_field implodes

22:42:19 mircea_popescu: wut ?

22:42:44 ascii_field: real strawberry is virtually impossible to get here

22:42:51 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nah, the cultivar is a hybrid, called something like fragaria x or w/e.

22:43:27 pete_dushenski: maybe when i move into house and have the space, pinball machine will make its way back to life. a house like this would suffice : https://www.realtor.ca/Residential/Single-Family/16305474/6-Ruskin-Row-Winnipeg-Manitoba-R3M2R6-Crescentwood#v=d

22:43:29 assbot: 6 Ruskin Row , Winnipeg, Manitoba   R3M2R6 - 1524509 | Realtor.ca ... ( http://bit.ly/1YinbWS )

22:43:53 pete_dushenski: ^only architectural era of house i'd actually BUY.

22:44:03 pete_dushenski: pre-1930

22:44:17 *: ascii_field lived in a flat made inside one such house long ago

22:44:22 ascii_field: was... interesting

22:44:35 ascii_field: (plumbing was a retrofit! gurgling shitpipes right in the rooms)

22:44:50 pete_dushenski: plumbing has improved considerably.

22:44:58 pete_dushenski: in the last century.

22:45:06 ascii_field: aha but if house did not have it when built, it will be just like so.

22:45:33 ascii_field: very sov feel

22:45:40 ascii_field: to have pipes where you can grab'em

22:46:11 ascii_field: ditto mains wiring & sockets

22:46:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344918 << the part he neglects to mention of that discussion is where i said that well, depends if technology improves. and that such investments are always a good idea to date, for this reason alone.

22:46:14 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:15:11; jurov: well, throw in a better number

22:46:14 pete_dushenski: exposed radiators as well, i imagine

22:46:35 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: vs what other kind of radiator

22:46:42 mircea_popescu: lol good one

22:46:43 mircea_popescu: !b 5

22:46:45 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2YBFHKP.txt )

22:46:52 pete_dushenski: covered !!!

22:47:11 BingoBoingo: For the cophrologists https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011976.html

22:47:12 assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Segregated Witness in the context of Scaling Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2pd6P )

22:47:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344923 << can be bought is a bs indicator. obama pays 500 out of 650.

22:47:16 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:20:17; jurov: 65W ~1m2 solar panel can be bought for $150, which roughly means 1 MWh of electricity

22:47:28 mircea_popescu: just like tesla "can be bought" for 100k in soviet govt vouchers

22:47:35 mircea_popescu: but the car cost ~1mn worth of turkey dollars to make.

22:47:38 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: only to participants in good standing in the mortgage racket

22:47:54 mircea_popescu: not so different from how this works in cuba. yes you can "buy" "mercedes" in cuba, for govt vouchers.

22:47:54 ascii_field: ( i can't go and buy a pv panel with obama paying so much as a cent )

22:47:59 mircea_popescu: that doesn't mean much.

22:48:23 mircea_popescu: ascii_field yea well... go to the party night meetings more often, comrade.

22:48:29 ascii_field: aha

22:48:30 mircea_popescu: maybe they'd give you black sea tickets too.

22:49:14 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: http://p-fst1.pixstatic.com/506a33a6d9127e30fc001273._w.540_s.fit_.jpg << what i had in mind as 'covered' radiator

22:49:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2pnuQ )

22:49:31 ascii_field: when i think about what something costs to buy, i think 'with money' rather than 'with Hero Mother Award vouchers from zimbabwestan'

22:49:32 mircea_popescu: incidentally ascii_field what's your take on petliura ?

22:49:57 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the fella who ran on liquid jew ?

22:50:09 mircea_popescu: symon

22:50:28 ascii_field: aha him

22:50:55 ascii_field: colourful character.

22:51:53 mircea_popescu: but colorful enough to support the notion of a bona fide ukr nation ?

22:52:36 ascii_field: ukr nation is sitting right there, for whoever wants

22:52:46 ascii_field: about the same cultural weight as zimbabwe, and for very similar reason

22:52:51 ascii_field: but here it is, on the map..

22:53:00 mircea_popescu: hm.

22:53:18 mircea_popescu: this notion extends to the poles ?

22:53:28 ascii_field: the poles had an actual culture.

22:53:54 ascii_field: with items like own literature, period of empire, scholarship, military wins

22:54:00 mircea_popescu: well... you mean as part of the commonwealth or somehow before ?

22:54:24 mircea_popescu: so the trashing pilsudski administered to the oh so clever & brave bolsheviks doesn't count for the ukrs ?

22:54:29 ascii_field: mainly as part of rzeczpospolita

22:54:40 ascii_field: p. was a pole

22:54:51 ascii_field: it counts! for the poles.

22:55:00 mircea_popescu: well yes, but the maneuvers were a joint thing with the ukrainiansa

22:55:35 ascii_field: phun phakt - 'u kraina' == 'on the fringes'

22:56:06 mircea_popescu: afaik, the ukrs were actually the only people who had jews in govt etc after the ww1.

22:56:22 ascii_field: poor schmucks were on the fringes. it wasn't sweet, no. had all kinds of misadventures.

22:57:21 mircea_popescu: mmm. you know they invented russian-ness right ?

22:57:22 ascii_field: esp. after anglos (brit first, then modern usg) had the brilliant idea of nurturing a counter-ru bantustan there

22:57:25 ascii_field: aha

22:57:26 mircea_popescu: kiev came first ; moscow a distant 2nd

22:57:36 ascii_field: most of planet knows this i think

22:57:39 mircea_popescu: okay.

22:58:06 ascii_field: (except it was 'they' in the sense where 'man descended from monkey')

22:58:56 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/ptzfQ

22:58:57 assbot: Lejitz comments on "In a $6.6B economy, it is criminal to let the Service undergo an ECE without warning users loudly, months in advance" - Jeff Garzik ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2q2fV )

22:59:42 mircea_popescu: is this where we know what "ece" is supposed to be ?

22:59:54 mircea_popescu: "oh look at me, i'm so erudite" derp.

22:59:55 BingoBoingo: Of course

23:00:02 ascii_field: wtf does it mean

23:00:28 BingoBoingo: It mean "I invent terms because PoMo"

23:00:51 mircea_popescu: wtf oh it's just AGW for a DDL when theres MoLE aFOOT

23:02:01 BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1

23:04:06 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1345012 << wtf is that

23:04:06 assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:49:14; pete_dushenski: ascii_field: http://p-fst1.pixstatic.com/506a33a6d9127e30fc001273._w.540_s.fit_.jpg << what i had in mind as 'covered' radiator

23:04:10 ascii_field: you can't dry a shirt on that

23:04:14 ascii_field: nor chain up anybody

23:04:19 ascii_field: cat will not sit

23:04:22 ascii_field: what's it good for.

23:04:52 pete_dushenski: lol it's exactly what i have in my place. same as i had in last place too. and place before that!

23:05:14 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

23:05:19 ascii_field: is there even radiator in there

23:05:22 ascii_field: or just resistance coil

23:05:24 *: ascii_field bbl

23:05:29 BingoBoingo: "electric"

23:05:44 pete_dushenski: nah. water.

23:06:10 pete_dushenski: thus constant warnings not to leave patio doors open in winter, lest pipes freeze and asplode.

23:06:30 pete_dushenski: twas a thing in the 70s around here.

23:06:46 pete_dushenski: *a design thing

23:06:59 BingoBoingo: https://t.co/XeFaTZAa1k

23:07:02 assbot: Government announces end of currency controls, exchange rate unification - BuenosAiresHerald.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2qA5B )

23:08:47 BingoBoingo: Ghost talk https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org/msg03049.html

23:08:48 assbot: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Block size: It's economics & user preparation & moral hazard ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2qJpu )

23:12:30 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3462

23:12:31 assbot: JL: Oops! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yit9aa )

23:15:18 BingoBoingo: "James Bond kills for the global Anglo-American bankocracy, whose most loyal thugs have been, and will be, members of our world-wide underclass, who might best be trusted with heaping injustice upon those above them and below their masters who might oppose the global good. " >> http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3461

23:15:19 assbot: JL: ‘Your Opinion on A Black James Bond?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1YitKIX )

23:24:24 BingoBoingo: !up ComplaintsDept

23:25:11 punkman: assbot: Government announces end of currency controls, exchange rate unification << how's that even gonna work

23:28:16 punkman: http://www.candyjapan.com/2015-year-in-review

23:28:17 assbot: Candy Japan 2015 Year in Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1YiwfLx )

23:28:24 punkman: "I played cat-and-mouse with the fraudsters for a bit, adding various checks such as e-mail confirmation, IP bans etc. but it only took hours for the criminals to adapt to these. Eventually I just ragequit and switched off credit cards, going back to PayPal-only."

23:33:31 punkman: if only one of the paypal wannabes could accept credit and pay out in bitcoin

23:56:54 pete_dushenski: "Hard forking changes require that ultimately every participant in the system adopts the new rules. I find it immoral and dangerous to merge such a change without extremely widespread agreement. I am personally fine with a short-term small block size bump to kick the can down the road if that is what the ecosystem desires, but I can only agree with merging it in Core if I'm convinced that there is no strong oppositio

23:56:54 pete_dushenski: it from others." ~wuille

23:57:17 pete_dushenski: what could be a more convincing opposition than a death warrant, one wonders.

23:58:20 pete_dushenski: though, yes, wuille only proposed 'soft fork', he clearly knows full well what he's up against.

23:58:24 BingoBoingo: Well he still pushes jim crow as "uncontroversial"

23:59:03 pete_dushenski: he's still dumb enough to think that he can squeek through this affair unscathed, but my god he's an oily eel.