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00:00:01 WillTablet: keep your btc

00:00:01 benkay: hang on WillTablet i have a book for you

00:00:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eu : we will say all sorts of things in no relation to what we actually do. it's what built rome.

00:00:31 benkay: WillTablet: there are two books for you to read before you put any money into the market

00:00:40 WillTablet: Okay

00:00:40 benkay: The Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham

00:00:47 pankkake: ThickAsThieves: yeah, it's a high level of full of shitness. I hope nothing comes out of it, because the real motives probably aren't good

00:00:51 WillTablet: Are they heavy reading?

00:00:52 benkay: and Buffett - the Making of an American Capitalist

00:00:58 mircea_popescu: hey not bad.

00:01:19 mircea_popescu: krugman approved reading.

00:01:24 benkay: yup.

00:01:26 Duffer1: ha

00:01:33 benkay: if you can't make it through them, you're not ready for the markets.

00:01:37 WillTablet: Might get the pdf as parents would probably be like wtf investing

00:01:40 benkay: mircea_popescu: you have recommendations?

00:01:49 benkay: WillTablet: yeah get u some pdfs

00:01:58 benkay: WillTablet: learning is free these days. take advantage of it.

00:02:13 benkay: WillTablet: far more difficult than when we were taught, but hey this is the real world.

00:02:15 mircea_popescu: benkay i dun see a problem.

00:02:23 Mats_cd03: books are for nerds

00:02:30 mircea_popescu: so is your girlfriend.

00:02:41 WillTablet: benkay: does it involve anything more that grade 10 maths?

00:02:45 benkay: nope.

00:02:47 WillTablet: Good

00:02:48 Mats_cd03: i pray to god for investment purposes

00:02:53 WillTablet: Then I should be fine

00:03:10 Mats_cd03: my homeboy jesus knows whats good with k street

00:03:14 mircea_popescu: if you gotta pray to god for investment purpoises better make sure you pray to the god of the jooze.

00:03:19 benkay: the most complicated thing you'll ever encounter in most practical investment problems is time discounting of money WillTablet

00:03:43 benkay: WillTablet: have you worked with exponentials?

00:03:46 mircea_popescu: either that or set theory.

00:03:48 WillTablet: Sort of

00:03:49 benkay: ^1/5 etc?

00:03:56 benkay: e^-iπ?

00:04:00 WillTablet: No

00:04:04 benkay: it's not that bad :)

00:04:12 WillTablet: shouldn't be too bad, no

00:04:15 benkay: and you won't need it to learn the important stuff about not losing your shirt.

00:04:20 benkay: but kid listen

00:04:24 benkay: sit on your butts

00:04:33 benkay: acquire more, don't burn the ones you have.

00:05:01 Mats_cd03: buy some atc, its the hot new thiing

00:05:09 Mats_cd03: in fact... trade all your buttcoins for atc

00:05:12 benkay: yeah hey mircea_popescu give the kid some atc

00:05:49 mircea_popescu: what am i, made of money ?

00:05:50 ThickAsThieves: WillTablet go here and install the wallet www.therealaltcoin.org

00:05:56 WillTablet: The kid

00:05:56 ThickAsThieves: i'll give him some

00:06:06 kakobrekla: Willy The Kid

00:06:10 mircea_popescu: WillTablet he's trying to be me, don't take it to heart.

00:06:20 WillTablet: Sorry, I am on an android ATM

00:06:23 WillTablet: Will google

00:06:28 pankkake: https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc trades happenin!

00:06:39 ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin

00:06:56 benkay: so how do we get the atc ticker in -assets?

00:06:59 mircea_popescu: Learn your Atc Btc Ctcs!

00:07:19 mircea_popescu: mebbe if we .bait assbot

00:07:54 Duffer1: .bait brought to you by Altcoin

00:07:55 WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: could you do so tomorrow maybe? I'm supposed to be in bed ATM, and am

00:08:07 benkay: .bait

00:08:10 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2unva3IM91r3drngo1_500.jpg

00:08:28 Mats_cd03: lols

00:09:48 Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: I got my dad in at $20, he exited at $80, happy to make $60k.

00:09:56 pankkake: well, x-bt API is annoying. need an api key even to get trades

00:10:01 Vexual: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=0eb0fad

00:10:13 ozbot: Image View - TIS

00:10:21 Apocalyptic: pankkake, yeah, a public API is under construction

00:10:32 Bugpowder: I knew I should have bought on the dip below $600...

00:10:42 Bugpowder: Just added a bit at $625.

00:11:14 Bugpowder: Where is the alt faucet?

00:11:53 asciilifeform: "came to drakula two catholic monks, from the hungarian lands, pittances to collect. he ordered them brought apart, and called up one, pointed to the yard, where one could see many sat upon stakes, or on wheels broken. he did ask: 'was i just? and who are these people, sitting on stakes?' answered the monk, 'no, lord, you do evil, killing without mercy; a lord must be merciful. and those sat upon the stakes - a

00:11:53 asciilifeform: re martyrs!' drakula called in the other monk and asked him same. he did answer: 'you, lord, are called by god to put to death evildoers and reward the virtuous. as for those upon the stakes, they wrought evil and were justly punished.' drakula spoke again to the first monk, 'why did you leave your cloister in the monastery and walk about the courts of great lords, if you know nothing of the world? you said you

00:11:54 asciilifeform: rself, these people are martyrs. so i wish to make you a martyr, be in the company of your fellows.' and ordered him sat upon a stake, but the other monk, sent with fifty golden ducats back to the hungarian borders, 'you are a wise man.'

00:12:22 WillTablet: Wonder what they mean by virtually priceless?

00:12:25 benkay: it's nice seeing y'all hash through the requirements of launching an altcoin

00:12:27 WillTablet: Does that mean worthless?

00:12:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform :)

00:13:04 mircea_popescu: help create the world you wish to live in.

00:13:28 asciilifeform: circa 1486. "Сказание о Дракуле-воеводе." translation mine.

00:13:38 mircea_popescu: benkay it's not really belonging on the list. let people do their own charity personally.

00:14:11 pankkake: well, it doesn't even werk. or I'm using my client wrong …

00:15:19 mircea_popescu: curious what cads reads off that story :D

00:15:31 benkay: i hear and obey

00:16:01 mircea_popescu: many hurias await thee in the land beyond the wobbles.

00:17:10 mircea_popescu: hm i guess in english it actually is houries

00:17:57 benkay: save the houries for chaang-noi

00:18:38 mircea_popescu: i doubt he gets any.

00:18:41 cads: hmm, what is this land beyond the wobbles?

00:18:47 ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> ThickAsThieves: could you do so tomorrow maybe? I'm supposed to be in bed ATM, and am /// yes just find me whenever

00:18:47 mircea_popescu: he'll prolly have to fuck cockroaches for all eternity.

00:18:52 asciilifeform: 'came once from the hungarian lands a merchant to the city of drakula. and, as is custom at his court, left his cart on the city street in front of the house, and his wares - on the cart, and himself went to sleep in the house. and someone did steal from the cart 160 gold ducats. the merchant came to drakula, spoke to him of the missing gold. drakula answered, 'go, this same night you will have your gold again.

00:18:52 asciilifeform: ' and ordered that in the whole city the thief be sought, 'should you fail to find him, the city shall perish.' and ordered the same night his old gold placed on the cart - with one added duacat. morning came, the mechant counted the gold, and counted again, then exclaimed: 'i have my gold again, but a ducat is extra!' and then the thief was caught, and the stolen gold brought. spoke drakula to the merchant th

00:18:52 asciilifeform: us: 'go with peace. and had you not spoken to me of the ducat, you would sit on this same stake as the thief.'

00:18:59 WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: yes

00:19:06 mircea_popescu: cads you know monty python ? the "there goes the neighbourhood" sketch ?

00:19:21 WillTablet: I have my PC on, since I am remarkably bad-ass

00:19:23 cads: :D

00:19:34 cads: ah, I haven't seen it

00:19:45 cads: is it john cleese making the speech about the wobbles?

00:19:49 mircea_popescu: see, romanians are uncultivated.

00:19:53 ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> Where is the alt faucet? /// is this needed for proliferation you think?

00:19:54 mircea_popescu: no, it's a cartoon

00:20:00 benkay: asciilifeform: what is this from which you're quoting?

00:20:21 ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> Wonder what they mean by virtually priceless? /// so do we

00:20:30 WillTablet: Ah

00:20:51 asciilifeform: benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509711

00:21:04 WillTablet: Are yoy trying to make a point here? That altcoin is just another random coin that will never be used?

00:21:16 benkay: asciilifeform: context?

00:21:24 asciilifeform: benkay: scroll up.

00:21:25 ThickAsThieves: that's not the point

00:21:39 WillTablet: What is the point?

00:21:55 ThickAsThieves: that there doesnt need to be one for everything to change

00:22:13 WillTablet: One what?

00:22:18 ThickAsThieves: point

00:22:32 WillTablet: Uhhhh-uh

00:22:39 ThickAsThieves: it's heavy shit

00:22:55 WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: I don't follow this

00:23:03 cads: asciilifeform: hah, awesome stories

00:23:16 Chris_Sabian_: TAT - so the only thing different about Altcoin is the name?

00:23:16 WillTablet: However, I'm guessing the altcoins were a lie

00:23:21 kakobrekla: WillTablet its the 15th standard.

00:23:45 ThickAsThieves: youre trying too hard to fit it into a box, but it is a box

00:23:49 benkay: the coin is a lie

00:23:57 kakobrekla: the cake is a bill

00:24:19 cads: asciilifeform: are there more in the collection?

00:24:20 mircea_popescu: the little boy was a slice of cake!

00:24:25 asciilifeform: cads: tons.

00:24:36 WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: not helping that much

00:24:54 cads: :D

00:24:59 Chris_Sabian_: there are people buying altcoin for 350 - 500 satoshi on 2 exchanges

00:25:02 mircea_popescu: Chris_Sabian_ your mistake here is to proceed on the wholly prepasterous cads worldview, whereas that which matter doesn't matter, and that which is left once you're done ignoring what matters can then be counted.

00:25:22 ThickAsThieves: all these coins are just coins, and what makes them different is how people use them, whether they use them, etc

00:25:32 mircea_popescu: and who uses them, and for what.

00:25:37 ThickAsThieves: yep

00:25:40 mircea_popescu: because, yet again, people aren't interchangeable.

00:25:46 mircea_popescu: and there's no such thing as "views".

00:26:20 WillTablet: So any investment is just defined by how its used? Like if all pound coins but one in the world was destroyed, the one pound would become worth more than jhst a pound?

00:26:26 mircea_popescu: so you are, you'll be forever remembered as the goldstain of some views you didn't even hold.

00:26:30 mircea_popescu: (consciously)

00:26:34 mircea_popescu: in a sense, you're being raped.

00:26:35 ThickAsThieves: no Will

00:26:57 mircea_popescu: s/goldstain/goldstein

00:27:17 WillTablet: If confusing teenagers is this fun, I can kinda see why teachers do it

00:27:24 ThickAsThieves: coins arent exactly investments

00:27:25 mircea_popescu: yw.

00:27:40 benkay: goldstain was pretty good

00:27:54 ThickAsThieves: they are vessels

00:27:55 WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: so in order to make a good decision one has to look at what other people do and where that got them?

00:28:07 ThickAsThieves: hey!

00:28:08 kakobrekla: sounds like something desirable, goldstain.

00:28:09 mircea_popescu: WillTablet as the girl explains. didja read it ?

00:28:10 ThickAsThieves: good thougth

00:28:21 ThickAsThieves: thought*

00:28:35 mircea_popescu: spicasspielers can't speal.

00:28:44 WillTablet: mircea_popescu: where?

00:28:55 ThickAsThieves: i can spell just fine, it's my fingers that never graduated

00:29:00 mircea_popescu: ;;google mpoe-pr personal responsibility and the ponzi scam

00:29:24 mircea_popescu: 1. Learn the pecking order. All opinions are not equal. Some people are to be respected. Learn who. Some people are irrelevant and easily ignored. Learn who. More importantly than the who, learn why. Is it just because "everyone else seems to think so"? That's no good, forget it. Is it because they were right when everyone else was wrong? That's perfect, especially if it occurs with any sort of consistency.

00:29:37 mircea_popescu: 4. Step outside of your ideology. You might have been brought up in a very repressive social milieu in which some particular ideological slant was drilled into you. This is working to your disadvantage, get rid of it. Are you sticking up for your friends because they're your friends rather than because they have a point? Great for facebook, horrible for BTC. You will lose money. Are you following the crowd like a welfa

00:29:37 mircea_popescu: re state lemming? Great for the white collar slave, horrible for BTC. You will lose money. Do you think form is above content and as such it's okay to invade foreign countries and slaughter civilians just as long as nobody says shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker or tits on TV? Great for being an American, horrible for the free world. You will lose money.

00:29:38 mircea_popescu: etc

00:29:55 benkay: welfare state lemming.

00:29:59 benkay: yummy.

00:30:13 mircea_popescu: i hear people actually eat lemming

00:30:17 mircea_popescu: never had one myself.

00:30:26 benkay: shoes too, some of 'em.

00:30:40 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves probably cause while you were in school, they were cutting class into the schoolmates.

00:31:06 WillTablet: Right

00:31:10 WillTablet: Maybe I get this

00:31:11 WillTablet: Idk

00:31:18 mircea_popescu: what's the rush anyway.

00:31:43 benkay: WillTablet: you're probably young enough for it to make sense the first time you read it. consider it a blessing!

00:31:53 WillTablet: Seriously, prolly having some form of ASD is taking its toll hear

00:31:58 WillTablet: *here

00:32:07 WillTablet: Can someone just explain what they mean

00:32:08 mircea_popescu: what's the asd/atc rate ?

00:32:23 benkay: maybe, but channel that into focus on important things and learn how to handle humans. it /is/ a learnable skill.

00:32:47 WillTablet: Oh and my altcoin client says no block source available

00:33:25 Duffer1: pankakke have an addnode list?

00:33:33 mircea_popescu: wasn't it on the forum ?

00:33:33 Chris_Sabian_: you need to add a node

00:33:33 asciilifeform: 'came once to drakula an envoy from the great hungarian king mathias; a noble baron, of polish birth. and drakula did sit and dine with him among the corpses. and the envoy saw before him on the ground, a thick and gilded stake, and then drakula asked of the envoy: 'tell me, for what have i prepared this stake?' fear took hold of the envoy, who thought a while, and spoke: 'seems to me, my lord, that someone amo

00:33:33 asciilifeform: ng the noble has dealt with you unjustly, and for him you have prepared a death more stately than for others.' drakula answered, 'you speak the truth. here you are - an envoy of a great lord, a kingly emissary, it is for you that i have crafted this stake.' answered the envoy, 'lord, if i have wrought an injustice worthy of death - do with me as you will. you are an impartial judge - it is not you who shall be

00:33:34 asciilifeform: to blame for my demise, but i alone.' drakula laughed, and spoke thus, 'had you not answered as you did, you would have sat down upon this stake.' and the lord ordered the envoy honoured, and gifted, and sent off in peace, with the words: 'you may walk as an envoy from great lords, to great lords, because you know how to speak to great lords; while others ought not even try, but let them first learn how to spea

00:33:39 asciilifeform: k to a great lord.' such was the custom of drakula: when an inexperienced envoy came to him, from a king or an emperor, and could not answer the wily questions of drakula, he would be sat upon a stake, drakula saying to him this: 'not i am to blame for your demise, but your lord is, or perhaps you are. for if your lord knew that you are unintelligent and inexperienced, and still sent you to me - a wise lord, yo

00:33:46 asciilifeform: ur own lord has slaine you. if you yourself had decided to come, with your own hand you have slain your own self.' and thus did the lord prepare for an emissary a tall gilded stake, and sat him down upon it, and to his lord he would send a message praying that in the future he not send to the wise and learned ruler a stupid and unlearned envoy.'

00:34:20 mod6: Need to add a node to altcoin.conf: Nodes: 188.165.216.59, 125.120.196.224, 68.35.72.33, 162.243.123.118

00:34:59 WillTablet: Yuhuh

00:35:13 WillTablet: So does this advice have anything to do with the offer of atc

00:35:32 mircea_popescu: what offer of atc ?!

00:35:34 WillTablet: Does the offer somehow make a point or do the points somehow make the offer

00:35:36 mircea_popescu: who's offering atc!

00:36:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform going a little too far isn't it ?

00:36:36 kakobrekla: the round rocks beneath the ground have spoken through the fire

00:37:11 Bugpowder: MPEx should have an ATC futures market, with delivery.

00:37:23 Duffer1: I believe I recall TaT offering ATC

00:37:29 mircea_popescu: nobody really has enough atc yet

00:37:30 WillTablet: I don't gave an altcoin.conf

00:37:44 Bugpowder: Maybe ATC.DIFF?

00:37:54 WillTablet: *have

00:37:58 Duffer1: it's just a .txt you create yourself and drop in the wallet folder

00:38:01 Chris_Sabian_: you need to make one

00:38:07 Bugpowder: We need some way to get in the ATC game. Why can't MPEx provide it?

00:38:19 kakobrekla: its not a .txt its a .conf!

00:38:27 Duffer1: er yea

00:38:37 benkay: Bugpowder: maybe an alt PMB

00:38:41 Duffer1: use notepad, add your text, name the file altcoin.conf

00:38:42 Apocalyptic: heh

00:38:44 Chris_Sabian_: you create a .txt file with the info in it and then remain it as .conf

00:38:54 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder what's wrong with just populating the spot on apocalyptic's thing

00:38:54 kakobrekla: why dont we just call pirate do do another round of trust

00:39:06 Chris_Sabian_: path in windows: C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\Altcoin

00:39:31 pankkake: kakobrekla: niggers.conf

00:39:39 Vexual: .dubstep

00:39:40 Duffer1: lol

00:39:46 kakobrekla: ithink its more beautysalon.txt

00:40:01 pankkake: the node I'm running is 188.165.216.59 and it's in the source code, if you built from it

00:40:15 Apocalyptic: Bugpowder, they're waiting for you @ https://www.x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc

00:40:42 kakobrekla: if you had to put css on it, at least make it look rite

00:40:46 Bugpowder: Do you have charts? I need charts to do TA.

00:41:28 pankkake: doesn't even have working api!

00:41:49 WillTablet: So I put this in the altcoin.conf?

00:41:51 WillTablet: Nodes: 188.165.216.59, 125.120.196.224, 68.35.72.33, 162.243.123.118

00:41:54 Apocalyptic: no charts, pankkake lies

00:42:01 kakobrekla: kako doesnt!

00:43:38 kakobrekla: WillTablet the third book is the book of assets log

00:43:39 mod6: WillTablet no

00:43:48 mod6: needs to be:

00:43:54 mod6: addnode=<IP>

00:43:58 WillTablet: Okay

00:44:05 kakobrekla: just do it in console

00:44:10 kakobrekla: simpler.

00:44:42 mod6: and as much as i lothe btctawk, read through this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.0;all

00:46:59 WillTablet: Got it

00:47:05 WillTablet: Might take a while to sync

00:47:38 mod6: werd

00:48:13 Bugpowder: I need to setup my miner

00:48:17 Duffer1: how many mb is the altcoin blockchain up to?

00:48:43 WillTablet: I have a feeling this might take a while

00:48:49 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 100mb overhead and like 750 bytes of txn

00:49:13 Duffer1: did you guys ever get the source?

00:49:26 mircea_popescu: the most inefficient way to process information ever invented.

00:49:29 cads: hey guys, lemme offer my apologies for stirring up the channel last evening

00:49:47 cads: I was a trollish ass

00:50:03 WillTablet: So what exactly is special about ATC? What does priceless even mean?

00:50:15 Bugpowder: I am willing to buy 10BTC worth of ATC, OTC... pm me.

00:50:28 mircea_popescu: cads that's the point of life dood.

00:50:50 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder at what price ?

00:50:51 nubbins`: to drink good wine before one's time?

00:51:06 Vexual: troll your pancreas

00:51:09 WillTablet: So this is still 2 weeks behind, no progress

00:51:16 WillTablet: Should I have added more nodes?

00:51:32 Bugpowder: 250 satoshi / ATC

00:51:41 mod6: Bug: I didn't have much luck with an order on the book for a week. Try x-bt, market seems to be between 400-500 satoshi

00:52:18 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i doubt that many atcs exist yet even

00:52:32 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 10*10**8 / 250

00:52:35 Vexual: nope

00:52:46 kakobrekla: Coins in circulation: 8,735,232 of ~268 Million (3.25%)

00:52:54 WillTablet: I feel so fucking stupid

00:52:56 Bugpowder: People said dogecoin was a joke, but ended up being very profitable for me. Altcoin's great benefit is optionality (look it up, I mean the technical finance term).

00:53:10 WillTablet: Ermahgerd

00:53:16 mod6: I got scammed out of 44k ATC @ openex so beware.

00:53:24 mircea_popescu: wow how ?

00:53:27 Vexual: how scammed?

00:53:36 Chris_Sabian_: mod6: there is an admin online on openex so you can be able to chat

00:53:41 mod6: they banned my account for no apparent reason, and haven't processed my last withdrawl.

00:53:56 WillTablet: Though doing cpu mining with altcoins and then buying BTC seems more profitable

00:53:59 Bugpowder: gox strat

00:54:10 mircea_popescu: outrageous.

00:54:11 mod6: So, it's kinda a wait and see situation. Ihave an email into their admins. Will give update when they make good.

00:54:22 Bugpowder: WillTablet: Depends on where you are on the adoption curve

00:54:59 WillTablet: Well, I am just burning up free azure credit

00:55:00 Chris_Sabian_: if anyone wants to make an altcoin p2p pool with bfgminer, that would be great

00:55:09 Vexual: mod6, they pay a lot of admins, i wonder what they do all day?

00:55:14 mircea_popescu: doesn't the current one support bfg ?

00:55:22 Chris_Sabian_: cgminer

00:55:31 mod6: Looks like x-bt did process my withdrawl today.. so far so good. Thx to Apoc.

00:55:37 benkay: also WillTablet you're going to want to ditch that Microsoft habit. gonna get you in trouble.

00:55:53 WillTablet: benkay: how so?

00:55:55 Bugpowder: ATC needs a killer app though. Has anyone talked to dooglus about ATCdice/

00:55:56 Bugpowder: ?

00:56:02 mod6: Vexual: they just ban accounts apparently.

00:56:03 pankkake: Chris_Sabian_: http://coinminer.net:19982/static/ is a p2pool

00:56:04 Chris_Sabian_: mod6: was that your 20k alt sold?

00:56:08 mod6: for no gd reason

00:56:22 mod6: Chris:that was a buy

00:56:22 benkay: no time to explain. ask the channel.

00:56:35 Chris_Sabian_: how can I pm on here?

00:56:38 WillTablet: So why must I quit this Microsoft habit?

00:56:39 mircea_popescu: /query name

00:57:10 jborkl: Bitcore library made all that much easier

00:57:57 WillTablet: So is altcoin a joke or a deliberately bad example?

00:58:06 mircea_popescu: it's a deliberately bad joke.

00:58:38 Chris_Sabian_: but it is a bad joke that is selling for 350 satoshi each

00:59:03 mircea_popescu: amusingly, i bought a bunch for a third of that two weeks ago

00:59:12 Bugpowder: https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com

00:59:16 mircea_popescu: i guess this makes me like one of the early atc success stories / nouveau riches.

00:59:35 Vexual: bc is oldmoney now huh?

00:59:52 mod6: ^^^

01:00:22 WillTablet: mircea_popescu: so should I just play along?

01:00:35 WillTablet: And be like oh yeah I knew it

01:01:05 WillTablet: Actually, I don't think I have time in life for BTC

01:01:38 WillTablet: I mean, I haven't even figured out my intense social problems, nor stopped procrastinating

01:01:51 nubbins`: lel

01:02:58 Chris_Sabian_: right now altcoin has a market cap of ~30 btc

01:03:01 WillTablet: Well, procrastination I'll figure out tomorrow

01:04:04 BingoBoingo: WillTablet: First work on kicking the MS habit.

01:04:17 WillTablet: Okay, what's the problem with it?

01:04:27 WillTablet: It isn't losing me momey

01:04:30 WillTablet: *money

01:04:38 benkay: not yet

01:04:49 mircea_popescu: WillTablet not really. just give yourself time to understand stuff.

01:04:53 WillTablet: But it stops when the credit runs out

01:05:38 BingoBoingo: WillTablet: If you have intense social problems there are few better things to do anyways than pick up a *nix habit.

01:06:04 kakobrekla: not sure if bashable

01:06:06 WillTablet: *nix

01:06:10 WillTablet: ?

01:06:15 cads: :D

01:06:16 cads: +1

01:06:39 BingoBoingo: WillTablet: Linux, Unix, BSD, Solaris, Plan 9

01:06:57 WillTablet: Oh the server is ubuntu

01:07:14 WillTablet: My PC dual boots lm

01:07:19 mircea_popescu: you know it occurs to me oses are really like altchains

01:07:24 WillTablet: Which I use 50/50 with windows

01:07:29 mircea_popescu: and it's incredible there's no titsos yet

01:08:27 cads: oh hey, that reminds me

01:08:40 cads: has anyone applied portfolio theory to the bitcoin/altcoins system?

01:09:11 Bugpowder: Sure.... see https://twitter.com/trengriffin

01:09:11 BingoBoingo: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=39

01:09:14 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

01:10:23 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder what's he written on the topic ?

01:13:06 pankkake: no titsos, but http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/

01:13:24 mircea_popescu: meh, loli os

01:13:46 pankkake: which was followed by the more serious http://lwn.net/Articles/565844/

01:14:30 benkay: Q : How/why did you make such a great OS?

01:14:30 benkay: A : I thought - what would attract young users to Linux? So I created this idea after a lot of reading and work.

01:14:38 benkay: such work

01:14:42 benkay: much readong

01:14:44 mircea_popescu: who the fuck is rebecca black

01:14:49 benkay: ahahahaha

01:14:56 cazalla: gotta get down on friday

01:14:57 benkay: today in -assets, mircea_popescu catches up to 2012

01:14:58 pankkake: poor girl ending up as a meme

01:15:02 Chris_Sabian_: ...just dont go there

01:15:09 Duffer1: ^

01:15:16 cads: "Manfred drops in at his hotel suite, unpacks his Aineko, plugs in a fresh set of cells to charge, and sticks most of his private

01:15:16 cads: keys in the safe. Then he heads straight for the party, which is currently happening at De Wildemann's; it's a twenty-minute

01:15:16 cads: walk, and the only real hazard is dodging the trams that sneak up on him behind the cover of his moving map display.

01:15:16 cads: Along the way, his glasses bring him up to date on the news. Europe has achieved peaceful political union for the first time

01:15:18 cads: ever: They're using this unprecedented state of affairs to harmonize the curvature of bananas. The Middle East is, well, it's

01:15:21 cads: just as bad as ever, but the war on fundamentalism doesn't hold much interest for Manfred. In San Diego, researchers are

01:15:24 cads: uploading lobsters into cyberspace, starting with the stomatogastric ganglion, one neuron at a time. They're burning GM

01:15:27 cads: cocoa in Belize and books in Georgia. NASA still can't put a man on the moon. Russia has re?elected the communist

01:15:30 cads: government with an increased majority in the Duma; meanwhile, in China, fevered rumors circulate about an imminent

01:15:33 cads: rehabilitation, the second coming of Mao, who will save them from the consequences of the Three Gorges disaster. In

01:15:36 cads: business news, the US Justice Department is ? ironically ? outraged at the Baby Bills. The divested Microsoft divisions have

01:15:39 cads: automated their legal processes and are spawning subsidiaries, IPOing them, and exchanging title in a bizarre parody of

01:15:44 cads: bacterial plasmid exchange, so fast that, by the time the windfall tax demands are served, the targets don't exist anymore,

01:15:47 cads: even though the same staff are working on the same software in the same Mumbai cubicle farms.

01:15:49 cads: Welcome to the twenty-first century."

01:15:51 mircea_popescu: omfg we'll have to put dpaste.com in the fucking topic of the fucking channel because all the fucking noobs can't find it on their own.

01:15:51 cads: - snip from Accelerando

01:15:54 cazalla: hello again cads, how are you today

01:16:50 cazalla: can't use pastebin or say hello? you are rude aren't you

01:17:18 cads: yeah, sorry guys, I was expecting it to be two or three lines

01:17:39 Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: Nothing that I have seen. Just likes to blather on about theory of alt coins and bitcoins and VC shit. The whole Andressen Horowitz Twitter axis does it (Chris Dixon, Balaji Srinasivan, and Marc) Not a bad follow though

01:17:52 Bugpowder: Twitter exclusively from what I've seen.

01:18:15 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no argument, i just thought he actually published something useful / put some work into actually applying it or w/e.

01:20:36 Bugpowder: Oh hey this is kinda interesting.... Almost all NEW bitcoins are spent. http://www.technologyreview.com/graphiti/524796/show-me-the-bitcoins/

01:21:00 BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: Because pools have to pay their hashers.

01:21:01 Bugpowder: Although, do they count pool payouts as "being spent"

01:21:01 Chris_Sabian_: spent just means sent to a different address

01:21:06 Bugpowder: Yup

01:21:17 Chris_Sabian_: some new users could use a tumbler

01:22:02 cads: Bugpowder: I figured it be strange for miners to predominantly sell at the market price

01:22:18 mircea_popescu: someone mining on their own will still use a pool.

01:22:23 cads: exactly

01:22:24 mircea_popescu: set to private.

01:22:36 mircea_popescu: the block rewards will be sent to some sort of storage, even if it's just a cold wallet.

01:22:45 mircea_popescu: consequently, derpy article about no subject.

01:22:48 cads: so the news is just telling us the majority of new bitcoins are mined by the pools

01:23:02 pankkake: actually, some pools pay with the block reward

01:23:04 mircea_popescu: cads except it doesn't even do that. all it says is what i said above,

01:23:14 mircea_popescu: "past a certain hash even solo mining uses a private pool"

01:23:15 pankkake: so you can know, for those pools

01:23:28 pankkake: but for the others, you can't

01:23:52 Chris_Sabian_: how about this one: https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popular?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=1&address=

01:23:59 Bugpowder: Why is intelligent coverage so hard to come by? Are they actually stupid or are they just building a narrative that is catchy but they know actually false?

01:24:14 pankkake: answer is in the question

01:24:36 Bugpowder: Jonah Lehrer and Gladwell should collab on a bitcoin book.

01:25:15 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder because "views".

01:25:34 mircea_popescu: if you optimise for the largest possible counter of "views" it is antieconomical to actually publish intelligent coverage.

01:25:52 Bugpowder: This is the problem with scientific publishing too

01:25:57 mircea_popescu: indeed.

01:26:06 mircea_popescu: publishers should be rewarded by indingnance.

01:26:16 mircea_popescu: the more pissed off more people are, the more dough they get.

01:26:23 Bugpowder: For example, the recent dip cells in acid and they become super stem cells paper in Nature... Bullshit

01:26:44 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder aww and i was eating all these oranges trying t oturn my stomach into an octopus!

01:26:57 Bugpowder: Post pup peer review ongoing... nobody can replicate it, now irregularities being discovered in the gel blots...

01:28:05 Bugpowder: http://www.ipscell.com/stap-new-data/

01:28:22 Bugpowder: But the narrative is so sexy... Nature publishes

01:28:28 mircea_popescu: i imagine it'll be a good day when most of the people commenting on Nature are going "hey guise Nature is nasty I am ignoring it hahaha!"

01:28:35 Bugpowder: See also "Arsenic DNA"

01:28:49 Vexual: hey if it gives a viable story for where the stem cells came from in future findings, it can only be good for science

01:28:53 Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: That's the way it is on Twitter

01:29:09 cads: hmm, I might have an example of convenient narrative. I read an article of a blogger hyping maxcoin. She claims something about the mtgox situation that I can't quite understand, but seems to level the accusation that mtgox was engaging in fractional banking.

01:29:10 mircea_popescu: twitter is really very fragmented.

01:29:14 mircea_popescu: lots of idiot tribes.

01:29:20 Bugpowder: Vexual: Not if its total bullshit. It is negative for science, as that Nature slot is not used for something real.

01:29:40 cads: I don't know enough or care enough about mt gox to know what is going on there, but there was no mention of the bug or the millions lost

01:30:01 cads: and it seemed contrived, meant to attract money market types to maxcoin

01:30:01 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't go as far as to say it's bad for science, but it definitely is inconvenient for anyone not an idiot with a nature subscription.

01:30:08 Bugpowder: Nature guarantees that your work will be read and discussed by many scientists. We have limited bandwidth, must use it optimally. (like hanging in bitcoin-assets)

01:30:20 mircea_popescu: cads was it also a rewrite of the fraudsters gox article ?

01:30:46 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder obtaining cvorum on a definition of optimality however...

01:32:56 mircea_popescu: i mean this channel was fundamentally born out of some clueless noobs' inability to grok that intelligent discussion is more important than avoiding displays of cunt.

01:33:17 mircea_popescu: that and a practical smattering of impudent cockletry with delusions of hitlerism, but anwyay.

01:35:05 cads: my though was that if money and fund types hear there was a bug that let criminals make off with millions they'd be unlikely to even consider what maxcoin has got going on that makes it 'even better' than bitcoin

01:35:35 cads: but if they hear that what's going on is that a trading house is doing a fractional banking scam, that's something that appeals much more to their refined palates

01:35:49 mircea_popescu: nobody asked the fund types.

01:36:14 BingoBoingo: Fucking Guinea wops http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-16/money-launderer-until-proven-innocent-italy-imposes-20-tax-withholding-all-inbound-m

01:36:20 mircea_popescu: bitcoin will prevail in spite of the current hierarchy.

01:36:30 mircea_popescu: whether elements contribute or don't contribute has no systemic impact

01:36:43 mircea_popescu: as the sine qua non for contribution is abjuration.

01:37:02 BitcoinPropagand: We make free bitcoin advertising-posters-wallpapers for non-crypto users, take a look: http://bitcoinpropaganda.blogspot.com If you like what you see pls donate!

01:37:19 mircea_popescu: BitcoinPropagand hey, you the guy with the posters ?

01:37:28 BitcoinPropagand: yes

01:37:42 mircea_popescu: do you actually print and glue those things or just design them ?

01:38:07 BitcoinPropagand: just design and give them for free why?

01:38:35 mircea_popescu: because i'd be interested in supporting a program of propaganda against us banking interests signed MPEx/BTC

01:38:52 benkay: ship some to me

01:39:03 benkay: i'll go bike around town wheatpasting 'em

01:39:08 BitcoinPropagand: interesting

01:39:09 benkay: i need something btc to do that's not this damn parser

01:39:16 mircea_popescu: but the facebook angle of "here's some pdfs of stuff we made in illustrator" has little adherence.

01:39:28 mircea_popescu: they'd have to be posted, and the postings photographed and so on.

01:39:32 mircea_popescu: lot of work on the ground.

01:40:16 Duffer1: billboards even

01:40:18 BitcoinPropagand: where can i see some of that?

01:40:18 mircea_popescu: they want to run illiterate articles in their bullshit rags nobody reads anyway, fine, let's put some paper on their limos.

01:40:35 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 no, specifically not billboards.

01:41:03 mircea_popescu: BitcoinPropagand http://fraudsters.com/2013/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements/ for instance

01:41:22 mircea_popescu: or http://fraudsters.com/2013/rng-board-is-here-cute-shirts-bonus/ if you prefer women.

01:41:44 mircea_popescu: i did the exact thing with fraudsters posters in Romania five years ago, country was fucking full of stickers and whatnot.

01:43:15 BitcoinPropagand: the t shirt of the woman is too short

01:43:39 mircea_popescu: that's a new one.

01:43:50 benkay: au contraire, not nearly short enough

01:44:44 cads: http://therealasset.co.uk/bitcoin-maxcoin/ okay here's the article -- the first paragraph in the section "trouble at mt gox" gives a summary of the mt gox problems - glitches in gox + a bug in bitcoin + trade halt at gox + double counting.

01:44:45 asciilifeform: can't resist asking, why no billboards.

01:45:13 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the US CBS owns them all and fuck CBS.

01:45:23 cads: The it does this: "In effect, Mt Gox had left themselves wide open to any accusation that they were no different to any other system operating on a fractional reserve basis."

01:45:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform roughly for the same reason you don't come to the global warming protest in your car.

01:46:00 asciilifeform: haha

01:46:00 cads: It reduces the (essentially context free) summary to that single rhetorically charged statement.

01:46:21 cads: first of all I just have to ask, 'wtf'?

01:46:52 mircea_popescu: cads why does some clueless piece in an irrelevant venue merit this much of your time ?

01:47:24 benkay: i'm pleased that 'fractional reserve' is now an insult.

01:47:37 mircea_popescu: now this is a good point.

01:47:46 benkay: 3!

01:48:21 cads: I was wondering about Bugpowder's earlier statement. Is this writer an idiot or a smooth PR savage?

01:48:34 mircea_popescu: useful idiot

01:48:37 mircea_popescu: covers everything.

01:49:38 mircea_popescu: i'm kind-of surprised there isn't a localbitcoins but for activists.

01:49:49 mircea_popescu: a central exchange where people can trade their deeds.

01:50:14 mircea_popescu: decentralised, of course.

01:50:23 benkay: people who can build web applications while derpy as fuck are significantly less derpy than people who burn their hours trying to fix the world.

01:50:31 benkay: in that the former chase profit and the later abhor it.

01:50:52 mircea_popescu: well seems like a bug more than a feature, this.

01:51:13 cads: mircea_popescu: did you ever hear of the 'Freicoin' demurage currency formulated by some of the occupy wallstreet people?

01:51:19 benkay: except that fixing the world is impossible except randomly from time to time as in the satoshi case.

01:51:24 mircea_popescu: cads yes, at the time.

01:51:38 mircea_popescu: and yes, i thought it's a good match, it's about as misguided as the people that came up with it.

01:51:53 asciilifeform: freicon! arbeit macht frei.

01:52:15 asciilifeform: i still don't get how that was supposed to work. 'eat shit! it tastes just as good as food! trust us'

01:52:20 BingoBoingo: freicoin removes Bitcoin's biggest market driver - "store of value"

01:52:26 mircea_popescu: benkay "being rich" is also impossible, how about that.

01:52:34 cads: The Freicoin website says, "Freicoin's parameters are carefully chosen to eliminate the basic interest component of investments, called the liquidity premium by economists. Usurious non-zero basic interest distorts the free market, incentivises poisonous greed, excess, and short-term thinking, and perpetuates a vicious cycle of boom/bust recessions."

01:52:48 BitcoinPropagand: Whos ur target, what's ur budget?

01:52:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because if you really really will something, that'll matter. in that your imagination has some bearing on reality.

01:52:58 benkay: you and i are both using "impossible" in the sense of "impossible for you or most other people"

01:53:02 benkay: mircea_popescu ^^

01:53:22 mircea_popescu: benkay no, it's just self-defeating. the previous fixage becomes the baseline for the new brokedness

01:53:30 mircea_popescu: the richness of yesterday is merely poverty now.

01:53:40 benkay: except in bitcoin, mircea_popescu

01:53:47 cads: mircea_popescu: the market cap of freicoin is an initial jump followed by an absolutely perfect exponential decay: http://coinmarketcap.com/frc_90.html

01:53:51 benkay: the richness of today is the more richness of tomorrow

01:54:09 mircea_popescu: maybe.

01:54:14 cads: mircea_popescu: freicoin ain't going to inspire no greed, no sir!

01:54:28 mircea_popescu: cads you grossly misrepresent "greed".

01:54:37 cads: arguably their mission is complete :)

01:54:44 cads: mircea_popescu: I'm mostly laughing at freicoin.

01:55:17 mircea_popescu: BitcoinPropagand my budget is for the purpose of this discussion unlimited, but it is also unfortunately useless.

01:55:31 mircea_popescu: i could have just bought out the damned billboards if that was the angle i wanted.

01:55:41 asciilifeform: http://furtherglory.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/arbeit_macht_frei.jpg

01:55:43 mircea_popescu: cads o i missed a sarcasm there.

01:56:08 cads: I heard about it from, get this, a grungy muddy finance grad student living with two other grungy dudes in a 300 tent colony that had sprung up in one of the main parks in the center of atlanta

01:56:24 cads: living cramped in a tent*

01:56:26 mircea_popescu: were they confused as to the whereabouts of wall street ?

01:56:27 asciilifeform: i still don't grok this. did anyone actually wish to use freicoin? or merely for others to use it.

01:56:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that question cuts to the heart of the matter.

01:57:00 cads: mircea_popescu: no no, to the left and the right and the north and the south towered the enormous buildings of the billionaires

01:57:06 mircea_popescu: does the "feminist" not wish to wear slutty clothes herself,

01:57:07 cads: laughing at them

01:57:11 mircea_popescu: or for other girls stop doing it ?

01:57:14 cads: boxing them in :D

01:57:20 mircea_popescu: lol

01:57:38 cads: it was funny because there were business men filing nervously past the tents every day

01:58:05 mircea_popescu: you know, i'd have gone to work early and hung out with the bums half an hour.

01:58:07 cads: on the camp ground there was hustle and bustle and optimism and the undeniably knowledge that they were DOING SOMETHING.

01:58:11 mircea_popescu: why pay for entertainment.

01:58:19 asciilifeform: 'less world, more bank!'

01:58:27 cads: they had, get thiss

01:58:29 cads: runners

01:58:35 cads: runners that would run between camps in the city

01:58:45 cads: and spread news :D

01:58:48 mircea_popescu: i'd have been all like "but yo, if there's no more banks, were'd you check your privilege ?"

01:59:03 mircea_popescu: so good for them. running is quite healthy for young men.

01:59:04 benkay: you keep it in your encrypted privelege wallet

01:59:08 cads: the dialog of privilege had not been opened in the public yet

01:59:23 cads: the key meme was the rhetoric of the "one percent"

01:59:29 mircea_popescu: i'd have had my printer print special PRIVILEGE CHECKs

01:59:33 mircea_popescu: and distributed them.

01:59:41 cads: haha

01:59:45 cads: maybe that's all white people have to do

01:59:47 benkay: privileged to rape one feminist?

01:59:52 mircea_popescu: and the kids' be all "but we don't have an account"

02:00:04 cads: well come on to the MP bank!

02:00:07 cads: and sign up!

02:00:07 mircea_popescu: and i'd have been all like a well.

02:00:10 mircea_popescu: nah.

02:00:11 benkay: "it's just a fantasy, office! this is totally consensual!"

02:00:16 cads: "free checking and savings for students"

02:00:24 mircea_popescu: mp bank prolly charges 100k to open an acct anyway.

02:00:34 KRS-One: heh

02:00:46 benkay: it's really a membership fee to the cigar and wine vaults

02:00:50 BingoBoingo: The original 1%'ers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw_motorcycle_club#One_percenter

02:00:59 benkay: banking's just a side-bennie

02:01:07 mircea_popescu: i wonder what'll happen once teh bitcoin forum crowd finds out there actually are plenty of irl banks that work exactly this way.

02:01:26 asciilifeform: i actually entertained myself at the wash. d.c. 'occupy' regularly, until it finally croaked. got GBs of video of these folks clowning around in a thousand riotously inane ways.

02:01:40 nubbins`: mircea_popescu:because i'd be interested in supporting a program of propaganda against us banking interests signed MPEx/BTC

02:01:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you pick up ?

02:01:53 nubbins`: ^ you know, that's not an entirely difficult task to pull off.

02:02:09 mircea_popescu: nubbins` provided enough people think with their heads, yes.

02:02:34 asciilifeform: it wasn't like they quizzed you for redditard orthodoxy at the door (what door)

02:02:53 asciilifeform: lots of idlers, in nice suits or otherwise, came to gawk.

02:03:00 mircea_popescu: ha!

02:03:07 mircea_popescu: so i wouldn't have been the only one huh,

02:03:34 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: any decent-sized city likely has a number of print shops that would happily churn out and slap up posters

02:04:01 mircea_popescu: srsly, if the ny mayor had any sense he'd have passed an ordinance saying that kids are allowed to camp indefinitely oly for as long as they're naked, also get three meals a day courtesy of the city.

02:04:15 nubbins`: you could even get some of the big names to do some designs, get a bit of momentum behind it

02:04:26 mircea_popescu: then pass clothes dump trucks to collect the textile contraband, and beat the shit out of any dressed kids left.

02:04:39 asciilifeform: here, eventually the city confiscated their latrines.

02:04:46 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You don't want to hit the big cities. Go for the select suburbs and exurbs where they actually live.

02:05:00 asciilifeform: some found their way into restaurant shitters, others did what they will where they stood

02:05:07 asciilifeform: eventually health inspectors condemned the tents.

02:05:35 BitcoinPropagand: I need to know more about that program of propaganda

02:05:53 mircea_popescu: http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/asia-pacific/198506-report-spies-watched-us-lawyers-in-trade-deal

02:06:09 nubbins`: BitcoinPropagand: what's to know? make posters and hire kids to put 'em up. this is how shows are advertised all across north america

02:06:15 benkay: mircea_popescu: that's what made me think about cold-calling DC intl law firms.

02:07:05 ThickAsThieves: dammit i'm missing good conversations

02:07:15 ozbot: US law firm ensnared in spying by NSA ally | TheHill

02:07:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform new york missed a huge opportunity to start the largest fuckfest/rave in the history of the us.

02:07:29 mircea_popescu: could have eaten rio's festival tourist trade right off.

02:07:32 benkay: what do you call 8 bankers jumping out of a plane?

02:07:37 asciilifeform: they sorta did

02:07:46 benkay: scuse me 8 programmers

02:08:00 asciilifeform: but with genuine bums in the mix, it was 'acquired taste' rather than 'general interest' kind of affair.

02:08:01 ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> Do you have charts? I need charts to do TA. /// http://atc.blockr.io

02:08:03 benkay: NO WAIT FORUMFOLK

02:08:07 benkay: "air pollution"

02:08:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean all the waspish wallflowers weren't about to take smelly bum cock ?

02:08:29 asciilifeform: sumthinglikethat

02:08:31 mircea_popescu: bs.

02:08:35 mircea_popescu: they'd have been all over that.

02:09:02 ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> Though doing cpu mining with altcoins and then buying BTC seems more profitable /// yeah but nubbins might call you a scammer

02:09:09 asciilifeform: evidently not enough.

02:09:29 mircea_popescu: only because of the ny mayor missing some very reasonable measures.

02:09:30 ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> ATC needs a killer app though. Has anyone talked to dooglus about ATCdice /// has he made alt versions before?

02:09:40 mircea_popescu: if they did what i propose you'd have a baby boom on your hands atm

02:09:41 asciilifeform: at any rate, the politically-aspirational academtards who were the 'krysha' of occupy eventually pulled the plug

02:09:50 asciilifeform: after der fuhrer's re-election was clinched

02:09:54 benkay: last thing we need is more 99%ers

02:09:54 mircea_popescu: myeah.

02:10:10 ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> I mean, I haven't even figured out my intense social problems, nor stopped procrastinating // dont confuse procrastinating with not wanting to do stupid shit

02:10:13 mircea_popescu: benkay more children is a time-tested solution to any social problem.

02:10:18 Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: doge-dice has huge volume

02:10:27 Bugpowder: I had to add it to my hosts file

02:10:31 Bugpowder: along with just-dice

02:10:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://eurasian-law-breaking-news.blogspot.ro/2011/11/abramovich-explains-krysha-concept-to.html for lelz.

02:10:48 KRS-One: i took just-dice money and they arent getting it back

02:11:05 asciilifeform: as if it needs much of an explanation beyond simple translation in the anglo world.

02:11:06 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Move it into BitBet

02:11:11 asciilifeform: (or elsewhere for that matter)

02:11:13 KRS-One: i will

02:11:24 ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> lots of idiot tribes. // you owe Seth Godin royalties now

02:11:36 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: What bets are you looking at atm?

02:11:48 Bugpowder: benkay: If you want, my good friend is a DC associate at said international law firm.

02:11:50 KRS-One: havent looked for the last week or two

02:12:20 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves right, the dood contributed.

02:12:26 Bugpowder: don't exactly understand why you want to contact them

02:12:34 cazalla: check your bitcoin privilege

02:12:35 benkay: sell 'em cardanos, Bugpowder

02:12:48 benkay: plus "how to keep comms secure" lessons

02:12:49 Bugpowder: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS

02:12:57 kakobrekla: O_o

02:12:58 benkay: oh you no cardano?

02:13:02 benkay: homie you behind the times like whoa

02:13:06 benkay: ;;google cardano

02:13:11 benkay: ;;google fraudsters cardano

02:13:23 benkay: (first (second %))

02:13:43 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Take 'NO' on this one http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/

02:14:13 mircea_popescu: from the random herp with mental issues and lulzy url department : http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/10482

02:14:14 KRS-One: hmm

02:14:34 KRS-One: why is everyone yes?

02:14:37 KRS-One: mostly ys

02:14:42 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: You know it will be an interesting sweat.

02:14:55 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> i mean this channel was fundamentally born out of some clueless noobs' inability to grok that intelligent discussion is more important than avoiding displays of cunt. < not really, was just to impress girls.

02:15:02 mircea_popescu: that too

02:16:01 Bugpowder: sounds good

02:16:33 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sikjs9Jl_tg

02:16:35 Bugpowder: BingoBoingo: weighting sux

02:16:42 mircea_popescu: look at that, benkay may have actually got himself rich.

02:16:47 ozbot: Sam Simmons Problems 'Daddy wants a biscuit' - YouTube

02:16:56 Bugpowder: cardano... looks legit!

02:16:58 BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: Not really given where Gox is going.

02:17:30 Bugpowder: BingoBoingo: I think there is an 80% chance that resolves as yes.

02:17:54 BingoBoingo: Oh, ye of excessive faith.

02:19:51 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: A decent second choice would be to start a BitBet.

02:20:09 BingoBoingo: South Syndney Rabbitohs to win the NRL regular season.

02:21:34 cazalla: up the tigers

02:22:06 ThickAsThieves: i took no on that bet

02:22:15 Bugpowder: BingoBoingo: If you feel so strongly, why not buy the O.USD.P500T @ 1.500 BTC

02:22:43 ThickAsThieves: just in case

02:23:02 BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: I'm tied up in other things atm.

02:23:02 ThickAsThieves: well, for fun

02:23:12 KRS-One: That gox bet stinks, if they arent insolvent I'm sure they will be above $150

02:23:35 BingoBoingo: Well it depends on how long they can play pretend.

02:23:37 ThickAsThieves: well thats the bet at this point

02:24:09 KRS-One: They can get bought out too before anything drastic happens, I'm sure.

02:24:20 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: How much BTC are you looking to Bitbet, enough to play both sides?

02:24:33 KRS-One: There is a bit of goodwill with the mtgox brand..its been around a while.

02:24:53 KRS-One: Heh interesting

02:25:03 KRS-One: u can play both huh

02:25:05 Duffer1: brand presence sure but i wouldn't really call it goodwill :P

02:25:17 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Playing both sides is often the best way to BitBet

02:25:19 KRS-One: goodwill is also negative

02:25:36 KRS-One: just the fact the brand is well known is what counts and even adds to balance sheets

02:25:44 Duffer1: ya

02:25:58 mircea_popescu: KRS-One you're wrong on that score.

02:26:03 mircea_popescu: mtgox is widely known for being shit.

02:26:08 mircea_popescu: this makes it a net negative, like bfl.

02:26:19 mircea_popescu: anyone seriously thinking of running their business would immediately rebrand.

02:26:28 mircea_popescu: not that anyone seriously is thinking of running their business.

02:27:47 ThickAsThieves: rebrand by pissing on it

02:27:52 KRS-One: goodwill whether negative or positive is accounted for on balance sheets

02:28:38 Duffer1: ohh i see like fraudsters asset reports

02:28:50 nubbins`: at this point trading magic cards would add legitimacy to their operation

02:28:57 Vexual: ^^

02:29:19 Duffer1: i took that to mean something else...

02:29:34 BingoBoingo: I still have no answer to my wondering if maybe Mark Gox has a touch of Downs.

02:29:49 KRS-One: so even though mtgox has a negative reputation, most publications reference them..is that a bad thing to a new company trying to acquire the brand?

02:30:05 KRS-One: publications are always quoting prices from mtgox

02:30:12 KRS-One: and they've had a bad rep for years

02:30:18 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Unless you are fiat capitalized out of the wazoo.

02:30:35 mircea_popescu: KRS-One it is, yes.

02:30:56 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not a mass venture. this isn;'t trying to bring about the next britney spears.

02:31:31 KRS-One: Im not making an argument for that really but i dig.

02:31:33 mircea_popescu: that aside "publications" are about as relevant as mice.

02:31:46 mircea_popescu: mice have been trying to eat cheese for millenia. does this mean cheese is a bank ?

02:31:53 KRS-One: Started out as bitbet wheher gox will go out of business.

02:31:55 mircea_popescu: should i plug my keyboard into a large block of cheese ?

02:33:44 KRS-One: Happy Birthday dude..not sure what the whole thing is on birthdays anyway..I passed the last 3 without any fanfare.

02:33:44 kakobrekla: happy bingo birthday

02:35:13 BingoBoingo: Thank you. I already had the delicous birthday dinner. Roast beef tongue.

02:35:27 ThickAsThieves: kinky

02:47:16 mike_c: gratz bingo. make a bet today. b-day bets are always lucky.

02:48:06 BingoBoingo: mike_c: I made the unluckiest bet of all. I bought a lottery ticker with my vodka from the Arab store.

02:48:18 mike_c: hah. might as well swing big

02:50:10 BingoBoingo: Well it was for the little lotto so I have a 1 in 500,000 chance of winning.

02:53:49 BingoBoingo: If I win though, I'll probably add 50 BTC to my holdings.

02:54:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if one must play lotto, why the fiat variety, and not xxx-dice?

02:55:53 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Lotto has a longer lead time until chance renders its verdict. I like to savor the tension.

02:57:24 pankkake: yeah it feels weird for lotto chances of winning

02:57:44 BitcoinPropagand: nubbins` 1st you need to have the right message otherwise you will pass unnoticed

02:58:08 nubbins`: no need to tell me that!

02:58:20 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well another upside to the lotto is most of my losing ticket I can know goes to miseducating the children.

02:58:25 BitcoinPropagand: what's the concept then?

02:58:34 nubbins`: no concept

02:58:39 pankkake: I've only bet 3×0.01BTC at 0.0099% chance

02:58:44 nubbins`: just talking hypotheticals

02:58:52 BitcoinPropagand: i see.

02:59:23 pankkake: BingoBoingo: your sentence does not compute

02:59:26 pankkake: at least in my head

03:00:09 nubbins`: another upside to X is that Y goes to Z

03:00:34 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Maybe you are Sparc, while I am still 68k

03:00:40 nubbins`: Y being bingo's wasted money

03:01:05 nubbins`: Z goes to reading wallabee entrails

03:01:14 nubbins`: wallaby

03:01:16 nubbins`: w/e

03:02:17 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I'm not an Aussie. Wallabee would be too expensive to fly out just for that.

03:02:55 nubbins`: why do i think you are?

03:03:00 nubbins`: i think it's your nick

03:03:32 Vexual: of the extra hydroxyls

03:04:45 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Prolly cause I'm awake when the Aussies are.

03:06:25 pankkake: this chan has weird sleep patterns

03:06:34 pankkake: I guess it's why I got sucked into it!

03:06:40 nubbins`: it's 11:36pm

03:06:48 pankkake: it's 4:06 am

03:07:58 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=470165.0

03:08:02 nubbins`: it's a new type of win

03:08:10 ozbot: [BOUNTY] Need a logo and slogan for new hybrid exchange

03:08:21 KRS-One: I still think even though there are companies with bad reputations that buying the brand is still worthwhile and even adds to the balance sheet.

03:08:23 BingoBoingo: It's 8 minutes after the hour

03:08:51 BingoBoingo: Sometime you suckers will abandon days and learn to embrace living by the hour

03:08:55 KRS-One: I'd have to disagree with mircea_popescu. I mean look at K-Mart it was bought by sears and nobody liked K-Mart.

03:08:59 nubbins`: heh.

03:09:03 KRS-One: A lot of money was involved with that.

03:09:28 KRS-One: I learned a little something in college.

03:09:37 KRS-One: between parties

03:09:43 KRS-One: and work and goofing off

03:10:21 kakobrekla: yes, time is arbitrary. i have been saying this for years now.

03:10:42 nubbins`: what are numbers, anyway?

03:11:19 BingoBoingo: Nobay likes sears either KRS-One

03:12:30 kakobrekla: and with that, im leaving cause its fukken late!

03:12:44 nubbins`: i'm leaving because i'm listless

03:14:32 KRS-One: yeah and they didnt change the kmart brand

03:14:53 KRS-One: point is, even though there are people who might not like the brand, its well known.

03:14:57 KRS-One: it can be improved

03:15:19 KRS-One: try starting up a compnay with some new name that you just pull out of your ass

03:15:25 BingoBoingo: No, K-mart has been doomed since Rosanne took its guns

03:15:51 KRS-One: even shitts companies make sales

03:15:56 KRS-One: *shitty

03:16:22 BitcoinPropagand: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102333.40

03:16:35 KRS-One: im not saying they are doing well just the fact that iwas a big aquisition and they didnt change the brand

03:16:41 BitcoinPropagand: is he/she always like this?

03:16:45 ozbot: Here's where I spew my accusations against MPOE. All are welcome.

03:18:38 BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: That thread is an excellent exercise in separating soil from shit.

03:19:39 BitcoinPropagand: idk i'm just a tourist

03:19:56 BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: No, that's my line.

03:20:21 the20year1: taking guns from retailers in teh US always has a negative effect on business. Men hate to shop, by selling guns they bring in men

03:20:25 Bugpowdurr: Goat needs to get his Lambo repo'ed and hauled off to jail.

03:20:30 BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: Take some time and read. Everyone expects everyone else to try for six months on the reading anyways.

03:20:59 BitcoinPropagand: i just did it

03:21:13 BingoBoingo: The full six months?

03:21:24 BingoBoingo: How many BTC for your time machine?

03:21:43 BitcoinPropagand: read

03:22:07 KRS-One: ozbot just give my my bait

03:22:08 KRS-One: .bait

03:22:29 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ga3op0ir1rs2jpso1_1280.jpg

03:22:46 ThickAsThieves: i thought that butt was gold for a second

03:23:20 pankkake: gold butts are only for bitcoin conferences

03:23:29 pankkake: when's the altcoin conference?

03:23:32 pankkake: and altcoin foundation

03:24:17 Vexual: know any cool catacomb clubs?

03:24:58 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Maybe if you offer evidence of not being a cop.

03:25:12 mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr whats your story with goat ?

03:25:41 mircea_popescu: pankkake you should prolly be doing the altcoin conference.

03:26:25 pankkake: last time I presented something in public, no one understood what my project was

03:26:33 Vexual: perfect

03:26:48 nubbins`: that's because you're not supposed to take your cock out on the bus ;(

03:27:06 mircea_popescu: pankkake now you see my wisdom.

03:27:26 pankkake: not really

03:27:29 mircea_popescu: "He had a 4.0 GPA in English (and English fluency-required) classes throughout high school and college" < lol

03:27:37 mircea_popescu: pankkake nobody understands wtf atc is also.

03:32:03 benkay: goat on the forum today

03:32:08 benkay: re mpex

03:32:14 benkay: "sooner or later greater fools will run out of money"

03:32:20 benkay: s/money/btc

03:32:54 mircea_popescu: lol ok.

03:33:02 mircea_popescu: amusingly, he's been derping this since 2011

03:33:13 mircea_popescu: in the interval, he ran out of "investor's" money 3x

03:35:15 mircea_popescu: here's something to consider : ancient china had FOUR beauties. that's it. four.

03:35:33 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the us has had four "major" singer-songwriter chicks this week

03:35:40 Mats_cd03: beauties?

03:35:47 mircea_popescu: and bitcoin has had at least fourty-four greatest businesses last half hour.

03:35:58 mircea_popescu: in any field oif "business" one might be interested.

03:36:05 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 ya. beauties.

03:36:49 pankkake: I'd think it's mostly because information flows faster. and there's almost unlimited bandwidth

03:36:58 pankkake: more crap now!

03:37:05 Mats_cd03: what do you mean beauties

03:37:10 the20year1: greatest businesses?

03:37:10 mircea_popescu: and because since they're all ugly and stupid, how are you to even distinguish.

03:37:49 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 the plural of the noun beauty. like a beauty, two beauties.

03:38:31 mircea_popescu: the20year yes. like these dorks https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.msg5143475#msg5143475

03:38:55 asciilifeform: the four uglies. one entices rocks to float. one enwings bricks. one puts out the sun, who refuses to illuminate her face. one wilts flowers.

03:39:46 mircea_popescu: lol

03:39:52 mircea_popescu: "turns rocks to turds"

03:40:19 asciilifeform: amazing! rock converter.

03:40:45 Vexual: is she a volcano?

03:41:03 mircea_popescu: judging by the hydrogen sulfide...

03:41:14 asciilifeform: Vexual: nah, merely an anti-Midas.

03:41:22 Vexual: can't smell it, just lit my philospohy pipe

03:41:39 Bugpowdurr: <mircea_popescu> in the interval, he ran out of "investor's" money 3x Nothing personal. Just one of the scammers that hasn't been shut down yet.

03:41:49 mircea_popescu: he has, tho.

03:42:02 mircea_popescu: it's just... he has not much better to do with his time anyway, so he keeps coming back.

03:42:16 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So far the altcoin trading isn't going bad.

03:42:22 mircea_popescu: cool.

03:42:35 Bugpowdurr: I really do want some ATC.

03:42:50 BingoBoingo: Bugpowdurr: Buy at market on x-btc

03:42:51 Bugpowdurr: I think it could really appreciate in value and I could flip it for 10x

03:43:03 BingoBoingo: Sorry x-bt

03:43:04 Bugpowdurr: given the trajectory

03:43:14 mircea_popescu: what value ? and why would it appreciate in price anyway ?

03:43:18 Bugpowdurr: Can one deposit to ATC

03:43:22 mircea_popescu: sure.

03:43:41 BingoBoingo: Bugpowdurr: x-bt.com is the least scammy ATC exchange.

03:43:46 Bugpowdurr: Collective delusions cause price increases all the tim.

03:43:51 BingoBoingo: Bugpowdurr: Buy all of my asks

03:44:27 Bugpowdurr: What makes ATC any different from 10s of 'mining stocks' or other alt coins? Nothing essential

03:44:44 Vexual: its the only altcoin and it has a philosophy club

03:44:50 BingoBoingo: Bugpowdurr: Because defining is has continued longer than any meme has in history.

03:44:53 Bugpowdurr: It has at its core, the same driver of price as any other one of these.

03:45:09 Bugpowdurr: doge is the biggest winner in that fiedl

03:45:37 mircea_popescu: doge is in a mudslide all of its own.

03:45:40 mircea_popescu: no fields.

03:45:54 nubbins`: ooh, 'fi' looks gross in this font

03:45:57 Bugpowdurr: The enthusiasm level on the street is palpable.

03:46:17 KRS-One: Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCCkDQ6gbg4

03:46:34 Bugpowdurr: You might not see it over in RO, but in Santa Monica meet up, people were pumped about doge.

03:46:41 Bugpowdurr: PRE price runup

03:47:09 mircea_popescu: lmao.

03:47:36 mircea_popescu: what runup, afair it was going down

03:48:26 mircea_popescu: anyway, the reason i put zero stock in whatever the us folk get "pumped up" about is because that's what they do for the sake of doing it. they have nothing to talk about so they tell each other how excited they are about random, unremarkable stuff.

03:48:32 BingoBoingo: Doge just had a halving didn't it and it still trades below ATC?

03:49:01 ThickAsThieves: Doge is basically the social media of altcoins

03:49:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo doge basically runs a dump and dillute, to extract five bux a head from the starbucks crowd in santa monica

03:49:12 ThickAsThieves: a fukn scourge

03:49:23 mircea_popescu: in this sense it makes zero difference to count "halvings" and whatnot

03:49:32 mircea_popescu: they just change the pow whenever to inflate it all away.

03:49:34 BitcoinPropagand: my favourite altcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458860.0

03:50:32 mircea_popescu: and honestly, if i wanted fiddy grand out of a bunch of cali retards a) i wouldn't spend 80 grand to get it and b) i wouldn't bother this many people with the nonsense.

03:50:36 mircea_popescu: but then again that's me.

03:50:45 ThickAsThieves: Altcoin is worth more than AKC

03:50:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And thousands of penny stocks have done that before. It is why wops that don't read are doomed to repeat history, because Ponzi was a fucking Guinea.

03:50:59 Bugpowdurr: It went from 25 to 290 satoshi... I had 20M I bought low and sold at 50 to rebuy on a dip. Felt like I had been unfaithful and was punished.

03:51:13 ThickAsThieves: BitcoinPropagand -> www.therealaltcoin.org

03:51:27 Bugpowdurr: Case in point - Tweeter

03:51:47 Bugpowdurr: TWTRQ

03:52:29 mircea_popescu: yes dood, and some twerps made a "brand" out of some youtube video.

03:52:33 mircea_popescu: the word is epiphenomena.

03:54:37 Bugpowdurr: I respect the position of not wanting to participate in epiphenomena, but this attitude is exactly the same as what Joe Phil Morgan types use to talk themselves out of making bitcoin investments. Or Tren Griffin into thinking that alt-coins are where its really at.

03:55:08 mircea_popescu: no argument.

03:55:15 BitcoinPropagand: ThickAsThieves there's a exchange for that?

03:55:25 mircea_popescu: i was entirely at risk of missing bitcoin entirely, if it weren't for all teh people screaming at me,

03:55:29 BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: x-bt.com

03:56:22 mircea_popescu: so it's a street not a fence.

03:59:14 ThickAsThieves: ^

04:02:25 Vexual: BingoBoingo, did you buy some half decent vodka for your birthday?

04:03:06 BitcoinPropagand: looks interesting this is yours?

04:03:07 BingoBoingo: Vexual: No. I made a point to get the cheapest.

04:04:00 mircea_popescu: and with that i bid you all a very good time and you can call me asleep.

04:05:18 BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: It is Apocalyptic's exchange

04:11:54 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/police-arrest-a-woman-for-failing-to-return-9-year-overdue-j-lo-vhs/

04:11:55 ozbot: Police arrest a woman for failing to return 9-year-overdue J-Lo VHS | Ars Technica

04:12:41 Vexual: shes luck it wasn't my j-lo tape

04:13:03 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dly6p4Fu5TE&feature=kp

04:13:28 ozbot: Jennifer Lopez - Jenny from the Block - YouTube

04:14:17 BingoBoingo: Vexual: You know what would be nice?

04:14:31 Vexual: whats that friend?

04:14:43 BitcoinPropagand: a billion dollars

04:14:46 BitcoinPropagand: gtg too

04:15:37 BitcoinPropagand: my twitter: btcpropaganda

04:15:42 BitcoinPropagand: nice to meet u guys

04:15:58 Vexual: link tat propa

04:16:20 BitcoinPropagand: lol https://twitter.com/btcpropaganda

04:16:22 BitcoinPropagand: bye

04:16:27 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Imagine Niki Minaj's ass adapted to J-Lo's frame

04:17:44 Duffer1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_66jPJVS4JE

04:18:08 ozbot: Jennifer Lopez - Waiting For Tonight - YouTube

04:20:48 KRS-One: j-lo boooooty

04:20:49 KRS-One: .bait

04:20:50 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ga3op0ir1rs2jpso1_1280.jpg

04:20:58 KRS-One: .bait

04:21:17 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbza4usTFL1ra0n5co1_500.jpg

04:21:25 KRS-One: Mmmm nicew

04:21:27 Vexual: how u do that?

04:22:55 KRS-One: eh

04:23:15 MisterE: morning guys

04:23:17 Vexual: -booty

04:23:23 MisterE: I'm starting to think this Manu Sporny fellow is quite the tool

04:23:25 KRS-One: type: .bait

04:23:33 MisterE: from his twittwe

04:23:39 MisterE: and turn on inline images

04:23:45 MisterE: Twitter*

04:24:01 MisterE: .bait

04:24:21 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_madfh1X9GG1qap4tbo1_1280.jpg

04:24:36 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kGvlESGvbs

04:24:51 ozbot: Jennifer Lopez - Love Don't Cost a Thing - YouTube

04:25:14 Duffer1: oh nice i totally forgot about that one

04:26:56 Jere_Jones: In a currency pair, one of them is called the "Base Currency". WTF is the other side of the currency pair called? Does it even *have* a name?

04:27:19 Vexual: other

04:28:36 Jere_Jones: Seriously?

04:28:43 Vexual: u new?

04:29:25 Jere_Jones: I have not the knowledge of someone experienced and often ask stupid questions.

04:29:36 Jere_Jones: I have been encouraged to do so. :)

04:30:06 BingoBoingo: Discuss https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/435267161267773440

04:32:43 Vexual: Jere_Jones, have some cake and finish your blog later

04:33:23 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Ask your question better.

04:33:34 Jere_Jones: I don't blog

04:33:51 Vexual: context?

04:34:29 Jere_Jones: "There are two hard problems in computer science". The second problem.

04:35:06 Jere_Jones: BingoBoingo Vexual's answer was surprising but it was a good enough answer for my purposes.

04:35:26 Vexual: i just repeated what you said

04:35:29 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Maybe blogging is your answer

04:35:32 cads: what the fuck

04:35:38 cads: martingales are really simple

04:36:27 BingoBoingo: cads: martingales suck.

04:36:49 cads: they seem surreal

04:36:51 BingoBoingo: What works better than martingale is full orderbook comination with a wide bid-ask spread

04:37:01 pankkake: lol

04:37:26 BingoBoingo: Or betting on sporting events with certain outcomes against brain damaged handicappers.\

04:37:43 BingoBoingo: Right now Olympic hockey is quite the honeyhole

04:38:10 cads: I'm not sure how martingales relate to trading strategies yet, I'm talking about martingale measures in the mathematical probability

04:38:23 cads: I'm trying to build up to stochastic integrals

04:38:43 BingoBoingo: cads: The problem is the problem you identified is too broken to solve.

04:39:53 BingoBoingo: Stochiastic shit works in chemistry when mistakes == death from poison gas.

04:40:17 BingoBoingo: In BTC/(rando alternative) idiots happen though.

04:40:41 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE3_6CUMpYY

04:40:58 ozbot: D'Angelo - Untitled [How Does It Feel] - YouTube

04:41:08 BingoBoingo: If you want to plate the hood and trunklid of your car in rhodium sulfate idiots generally won't interfere.

04:41:44 BingoBoingo: If however you try to make some sort of market trade... Idiots emerge to gum the gears of efficiency

04:45:27 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y4K0J3fPmw

04:46:01 ozbot: Cody ChesnuTT - Look Good In Leather - YouTube

04:46:06 BingoBoingo: Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs-jpA97Wyw

04:50:23 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rDWEMZG0lE

04:51:31 ozbot: The Roots _The Seed HD+lyrics. - YouTube

04:51:33 Jere_Jones: AHA! "Quote Currency"

04:51:35 KRS-One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O20Sljxmy9M

04:51:35 ozbot: Quincy Jones - The Streetbeater aka Sanford & Son Theme - YouTube

04:53:04 cads: BingoBoingo: idiot percolation theory :)

04:53:12 cads: like holes in a semiconductor

04:53:23 BingoBoingo: cads: Not quite percolation

04:53:31 cads: regulation of idiot flows with subtle currents

04:53:35 cads: :D

04:54:02 cads: BingoBoingo: indeed, a lot less predictable

04:56:31 Mats_cd03: dongs basically

04:57:39 Vexual: fuck thats funky

04:59:44 BingoBoingo: 12 minutes left in my birthday. WHo wants to level up some cunts 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4

05:00:15 Vexual: you conna spend it on dimitri?

05:00:31 BingoBoingo: Proceeds go to the keep me out of jail for this disorderly conduct charge fund.

05:00:43 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl83mI69nX4

05:01:29 ozbot: Lupe Fiasco - Kick Push (Video) (Album Version) - YouTube

05:03:16 Vexual: do your month

05:09:24 BingoBoingo: They see me rollin' They hat'in but they don't cat me ridin BTC.

05:09:56 BingoBoingo: Every month they delay. My defense gets funded, and the prosecution gets sequestered.

05:10:23 BingoBoingo: But shit is the way BTC works.

05:11:03 BingoBoingo: St Clair County had its chance to catch me with my pants down like a fairy, but nao...

05:11:14 BingoBoingo: Imma bigger than them.

05:12:10 KRS-One: You have a right to a speedy trial.

05:12:42 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Maybe I want a slow sensual trial, because BTC puts me at an advantage?

05:13:01 BingoBoingo: At the start of the ordeal I had a lawyer.

05:13:14 KRS-One: "I know my rights! I'm entitled to a phone call and a strip search!"

05:13:28 KRS-One: I dig, then stroke the courts.

05:13:31 BingoBoingo: Nao I have a lawyer acting as a paralegal and two appelate court barred lawyers as a safety net.

05:14:25 BingoBoingo: If this shit doesn't get dismissed my warchest is aimed at defending my position that disorderly conduct is a moral fucking imperative.

05:16:18 KRS-One: ya thats some shit

05:16:38 BingoBoingo: Advice neither good nor attrocious http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/

05:20:36 BingoBoingo: moiety: Trade some ATC, because birthday.

05:20:42 moiety: happy monday

05:20:50 moiety: it's your birthday today?

05:21:20 moiety: :D happy birthday *hugs* as in sunday or monday

05:21:28 BingoBoingo: moiety: For another 4o minutes

05:21:40 moiety: kk, have you had a good birthday?

05:21:41 BingoBoingo: Actually 5 hours and 40 minutes

05:21:52 moiety: yay heaps of time

05:22:00 BingoBoingo: moiety: A great one. I had delicious beef tongue for dinner.

05:22:15 moiety: oh my mum really likes that

05:22:34 BingoBoingo: Honestly when roasted it is the best tasting part.

05:22:47 BingoBoingo: Much flavor

05:22:55 moiety: bit creepy when you find it in the fridge aged 7 or w/e

05:23:08 Bugpowder: @pmarca is going off on bitcoin right now.

05:23:18 BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe?

05:23:30 BingoBoingo: Maybe the parents in that scenario were bad.

05:23:55 moiety: lol no just me being easily creeped i reckon

05:24:06 moiety: anyways, did you family today

05:25:01 BingoBoingo: Yeah.

05:25:22 BingoBoingo: Saw the brother and his heifer's awesome dog.

05:27:04 BingoBoingo: Dog ate so many carrots.

05:27:29 moiety: and his heifer lol

05:27:36 moiety: mum's dog liked tomatoes

05:27:57 BingoBoingo: Brother's wife is kinda thick with it.

05:28:13 moiety: fuck you ars, they just run artcile today http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/

05:28:22 moiety: too late!

05:28:24 BingoBoingo: Before the wedding I offered counsel against that, but.

05:28:37 BingoBoingo: moiety: What's the probem?

05:28:42 moiety: if your brother is happy, that's the main thing

05:29:15 moiety: my pi is now a server for my email and a page! :D *beams*

05:29:37 BingoBoingo: How did you fit that all in your pie?

05:29:43 moiety: with help

05:30:16 moiety: http://ely.ag/ look!

05:30:53 BingoBoingo: moiety: Is this a sign you are abandoning node.js based trash?

05:31:07 moiety: no this is my page

05:31:11 moiety: like just me

05:31:26 moiety: BUT look how cool my email is gayle@ely.ag

05:31:36 moiety: fucking so pleased there are no words

05:31:59 pankkake: :)

05:32:45 moiety: i think i will use moderncuriosity for my business plan

05:32:50 moiety: hi pankkake :D

05:35:50 Jere_Jones: http://www.secureworks.com/assets/pdf-store/white-papers/wp-enterprise-best-practices-for-cryptocurrency-adoption.pdf

05:35:51 BingoBoingo: moiety: What is your newest plan?

05:35:56 moiety: its meant to have a picture of rome come up too but that wont work

05:36:06 moiety: BingoBoingo: i'm honing the stamping plan

05:36:32 moiety: i was thinking, even with 100 orders in one day, still doable, they don't take long to complete each item

05:36:33 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: The dell logo makes me want to not read. Give me a reason to continue.

05:36:38 pankkake: moiety: replace "scr" by "src" in the img tag ;)

05:36:59 moiety: how do you know that pankkake

05:37:02 BingoBoingo: O, replace scrote with source.

05:37:09 Jere_Jones: There's nothing of surprise in there except under the "Best Practices For Exchanges" section.

05:37:11 pankkake: because view source

05:37:16 moiety: oh!

05:38:33 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Read, article is only 3 years behind.

05:38:46 moiety: omg omg omg ok go again!

05:39:30 moiety: editing via ssh too you know :D

05:39:30 BingoBoingo: moiety: Too much vatican, not anough Rome

05:39:32 Jere_Jones: BIP70 is only 6 months old.

05:39:48 BingoBoingo: BIP 70 is also mistake

05:40:00 moiety: BingoBoingo: first one was better.. will swap to that one

05:40:16 Jere_Jones: Can you elaborate?

05:41:22 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: I will give you time to read and correct yourself. I'm kinda drunk.

05:43:05 moiety: so am i! lol ok my pic works now

05:43:08 moiety: favoured pic*

05:43:55 BingoBoingo: Better

05:49:55 BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xRXiwqHLUY

05:50:09 ozbot: Fuck U Betta (Live) - Neon Hitch - YouTube

05:51:10 moiety: even added my key :D

05:51:40 BingoBoingo: She can fuck you good, but I can fuck you betta.

05:52:28 BingoBoingo: moiety: Add a blog to it.

05:54:19 BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj7jSnOxOck

05:54:21 ozbot: Gym Class Heroes feat. Neon Hitch - Ass Back Home (Live on Today 02-03-2012) [HD 1080p] - YouTube

05:54:47 Jere_Jones: Attempt #1 and correcting myself: BIP70 is evil because it, without encryption, would be vulnerable to MITM attacks. BIP70 specifies usage of a central authority for verification of the public keys encrypting/signing the request. That puts control/power in the exact hands that Bitcoin, as a philosophy, is trying to remove it from. A payment request protected by a WoT key would be less

05:54:47 Jere_Jones: objectionable.

05:55:17 moiety: i haven't heard these folk BingoBoingo

05:55:29 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: ALmost there.

05:55:34 moiety: and i don't think a blog would work with me. i'm the only one interestedin what i have to say lolol

05:55:42 BingoBoingo: moiety: The redhead is a scott

05:56:02 BingoBoingo: moiety: No one seriously blogs for other people other than incidentally

05:56:04 moiety: she looks it in the face

05:56:27 BingoBoingo: A blog is simply the part of the notebook you feel is safe in public

05:57:38 pankkake: I like to read my won blog

05:58:10 pankkake: own*. and I never had more than 20 readers at a time. and yet, I wouldn't regret it at all

05:58:18 pankkake: I mean regular readers

05:58:39 pankkake: even met some, so.

05:59:10 BingoBoingo: I've had 35K readers in one day...

05:59:28 moiety: was that the slashdot day

05:59:36 pankkake: not regular readers

05:59:36 BingoBoingo: Yeah

06:00:02 BingoBoingo: Neglecting the blog for a week I can't drop lower than 30 a day

06:00:55 pankkake: how, now FeedBurner only reports 7 subscribers :/ I've sunk a lot

06:01:03 pankkake: wow*

06:01:25 pankkake: but I have 75 on another place. so. :)

06:01:35 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fat lot of good 'subscribers' do.

06:01:57 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well the only ones I care about read the niggers.txt

06:02:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've ~1k 'subscribers', 997 are silent or, far worse, detectably stupid

06:02:32 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've seen that on your blog.

06:02:53 BingoBoingo: You have so many clojure fags

06:03:02 BingoBoingo: Imagining you are on their side

06:03:27 moiety: asciilifeform: i has a page! https://ely.ag go see go see! AND hosted on my own server! AND look at my email address! AND also home-hosted *beams*

06:04:10 BingoBoingo: moiety: Skip the flash

06:04:32 Jere_Jones: BingoBoingo The rest would be that BIP70 is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and thus completely unnecessary?

06:04:39 BingoBoingo: moiety: Only use parts of HTML 5 that are contextual.

06:05:00 moiety: oh aye i abandoned the flash page bingo, i got flash block myself lol

06:05:02 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Read moar. You seem to underestimate my hatorade.

06:05:31 BingoBoingo: moiety: I mean flash as in styling term.

06:05:32 asciilifeform: moiety: have some medieval strange. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509702 and below.

06:05:50 asciilifeform: (translation mine)

06:06:27 moiety: is this my reward?

06:07:19 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That alost mtouches into the earlier half country stuff.

06:07:37 BingoBoingo: But... Terps are Big 10 nao

06:07:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ?

06:07:54 asciilifeform: what's a halfcountry

06:08:30 BingoBoingo: Romania versus hungary, Canada versus US. Half countries dominate -assets

06:09:12 asciilifeform: nothing 'half' about vlad tepes's kingdom.

06:09:48 asciilifeform: hard to cut myth from reality though.

06:10:09 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And that is why S.Time would make BTC so much better.

06:10:20 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509816

06:10:26 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

06:12:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What about a rewrite without the dracula name? Consider the mess between Caligula and the well hung Assirians of the old testament.

06:12:28 asciilifeform: historic dracula

06:12:33 BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Zb8G8rE1g

06:12:37 asciilifeform: not the 19th c. fictional personage.

06:12:55 asciilifeform: 'son of dragon.'

06:12:55 BingoBoingo: I'm a brain damaged 'Murican

06:12:58 ozbot: Neon Hitch - Fuck U Betta [Explicit Version] - YouTube

06:13:08 BingoBoingo: Oh, Bruce Lee

06:13:28 asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_tepes

06:13:29 ozbot: Vlad the Impaler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

06:13:36 moiety: proper drakula

06:14:18 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yersinia_pestis A real dragonborn

06:14:30 ozbot: Yersinia pestis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

06:16:34 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ross_(Cherokee_chief)

06:16:52 BingoBoingo: 'Murica used to be such an easy target.

06:16:54 ozbot: John Ross (Cherokee chief) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

06:21:46 BingoBoingo: ;;ident BingoBoingo

06:23:03 BingoBoingo: truffles, Namworld, nubbins' You have until the 28th of February to take this chess tournament to tiebreakers or I am withdrawing my pledge to the pot.

06:30:44 BingoBoingo: deanclkclk: How goes your "exchange"

06:31:15 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: You still online?

06:32:53 moiety: kickstarter been hacked??

06:33:48 BingoBoingo: moiety: Old ns

06:36:38 BingoBoingo: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/01-the-only-dope-for-me-is-you/weeenus/

06:37:00 ozbot: Dumbing of Age - Weenus

06:37:50 BingoBoingo: http://www.shortpacked.com/

06:37:58 ozbot: Shortpacked by David Willis

06:39:48 BingoBoingo: Jacqueline was seventeen, Working on a desk, When I peered above a spectacle. 0.01 BTC to fucker who names the song, cause it is always better on holliday,

06:41:00 Jere_Jones: Damn you BingoBoingo. My search for what is wrong with BIP70 has led me to way too much good stuff to read. I have code to write damnit!

06:41:25 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: All code is worthless without good implementations.

06:41:34 BingoBoingo: Don't AMir this shit.

06:41:45 Jere_Jones: "AMir"?

06:41:53 BingoBoingo: Taaki, nigga

06:42:01 BingoBoingo: Don't do him

06:42:18 BingoBoingo: Do shit right or GTFO

06:42:38 BingoBoingo: Unless tits, in that case show them and GTFO

06:43:37 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Who do you work for anyways who would have you write code for Bitcoin purposes without knowing this shit?

06:44:03 Jere_Jones: I don't work for anyone that has me write bitcoin code.

06:44:42 Jere_Jones: I write bitcoin code because I want to. Or, at least, I will.

06:45:25 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: To do something as idiotic as take BIP 70 seriously you must have some dark master. I merely would like an introduction.

06:46:18 Jere_Jones: I didn't say I took it seriously. I only said it was 6 months old when you said that dell doc was 3 years out of date.

06:47:23 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: I am just saying. I had my 28th birthday, and too little to show for it.

06:48:18 Jere_Jones: Shit man. On my 28th birthday, I was still in the Navy and had not yet met my wife-to-be. 28 is young as fuck.

06:49:20 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: BTC is a thing though. I feel like a poor as hoobajew

06:50:51 Jere_Jones: In 10 days I will have my 39th birthday. In my 39 years I have learned that I am damn good at writing code. Yet, I haven't created anything that is worthwhile in a "greater scheme of things" sense.

06:51:21 Jere_Jones: I don't want to hit my 44th birthday and have that statement still ring true.

06:51:22 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Have you tried amphetamines?

06:51:45 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: You seem to be seriously behind

06:52:32 Jere_Jones: Probably. But being behind is not going to get me to give up.

06:53:05 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: You need to kick your own ass and learn to lisp

06:53:38 Jere_Jones: <insert joke about a speech impediment>

06:54:16 Jere_Jones: Unless "lisp" was a typo and didn't actually refer to the language.

06:55:04 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: How you read it is your choice

06:57:48 Jere_Jones: Then I choose to say "huh?" and ask for clarification.

06:58:03 Jere_Jones: Not on the first part. I understood that.

06:58:13 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

06:58:32 BingoBoingo: Those are weapons of a moar elegant age.

07:07:44 BingoBoingo: Come on dance with me Micheal

07:19:50 BingoBoingo: I am afro man, Running through the forest with the Ku Klux Klan

07:42:34 moiety: i think steve needs a new client or soemthing

07:42:45 BingoBoingo: Does anyone in -assets have a line to paul graham

07:43:27 BingoBoingo: benkay I know you mention people being too stupid for that

07:44:17 BingoBoingo: I am ready to whore myself out cheap for one honest business (the rest of them don't need whores)

07:44:57 BingoBoingo: 100 BTC can keep my attention for one year.

07:53:17 mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones the pair is formed out of the base and the counter.

07:53:23 moiety: to do what bingo?

07:53:42 mircea_popescu: o look it's a moiety.

07:54:21 moiety: mircea! how's you? i has a page naos! http://ely.ag/

07:54:28 moiety: not excited or anything

07:54:57 mircea_popescu: god forbid you be excited, this is puritania, all excitement is punished by nipple excision

07:54:58 mircea_popescu: or incision

07:55:01 mircea_popescu: or w/e.

07:55:20 mircea_popescu: haha nice page.

07:55:52 mircea_popescu: has everything it needs to have, gpg key, email, etc.

07:56:32 mircea_popescu: lol cads discovering martingales. cute.

07:56:50 mircea_popescu: "hey guise! beer! w00t!"

07:58:04 moiety: look at me, i'm growing! i think bingo may have passed out

07:59:25 mircea_popescu: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/15/bitcoins-largest-exchange-is-dying-heres-why-thats-not-a-problem-for-bitcoin/

07:59:28 ozbot: Bitcoin’s largest exchange is dying. Here’s why that’s not a problem for Bitcoin.

07:59:32 mircea_popescu: check out tim lee changing his mind.

08:00:03 BingoBoingo: I am so full of hate.

08:00:35 mircea_popescu: wha happened ?

08:01:08 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: High School fucks want favors out of my sweet nothing.

08:01:24 mircea_popescu: so fuck them.

08:01:46 BingoBoingo: Oh, too late ofr that.

08:02:23 mircea_popescu: never too late.

08:02:52 moiety: all this energy could be better spent elsewhere

08:03:12 BingoBoingo: Maybe for them. I remember though the time I tried to buy coke and got gyp'd into ketamine.

08:03:16 moiety: like turning me into a chess grandmaster or something

08:03:20 BingoBoingo: In 2009

08:03:55 BingoBoingo: moiety: That would ne cleaner that me collecting from all my nigs

08:04:39 mircea_popescu: pankkake: how, now FeedBurner only reports 7 subscribers :/ I've sunk a lot << see that's why i prefer talking to max keiser. he has a lot of subscribers. this makes a difference. /sarcasm

08:05:05 BingoBoingo: Fuck, 7 is a lot of subscribers?

08:05:31 BingoBoingo: (The hatorade builds)

08:05:43 mircea_popescu: "Jere_Jones:BingoBoingo The rest would be that BIP70 is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and thus completely unnecessary?" lol checxk him out, at this rate by the end of the year he's rewriting fraudsters :D

08:06:06 moiety: if i ever blog, will you guys subscribe so i don't feel bad?!

08:06:10 mircea_popescu: nope.

08:06:13 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On BIP 70 he doesn't make it that far

08:06:27 mircea_popescu: well maybe if tits.

08:06:31 mircea_popescu: what's in a subscription.

08:06:33 BingoBoingo: moiety: I'll sunscribe if you say something good.

08:06:50 mircea_popescu: maybe someone'll serbscribe...

08:07:17 moiety: supscript, i just say hi daily

08:07:31 mircea_popescu: lol

08:07:41 BingoBoingo: BE aware. As much anger as I have, there are moar people I'd like to kill than subscribe to.

08:07:52 mircea_popescu: so you;d subscribe to their funeral ?

08:08:00 BingoBoingo: Yeah.

08:08:11 mircea_popescu: best oration ever. "Dear people, I am here because I really wanted this fucker dead, and now he is."

08:08:32 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That is pretty much my legal defense.

08:08:50 BingoBoingo: For that nasty disorderly conduct charge.

08:09:01 mircea_popescu: sounds like it'd go over better in a las vegas strip club than in a chicago court.

08:09:37 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Who said chicago. This goes to cour in East St Louis.

08:09:49 BingoBoingo: Because Niggers.txt.

08:10:44 BingoBoingo: I like some dark chocolate pussy, but not at the cost of my freedom.

08:10:57 mircea_popescu: you know he has a point. 28 is young as fuck, and i don't even comprehend wtf this notion is that twennysomethings should have like careers and moneyz and womenz and whatnot.

08:11:00 mircea_popescu: live a little.

08:12:26 mircea_popescu: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/16/republicans-obama-is-violating-constitution-but-little-can-do/

08:12:44 mircea_popescu: republicans : "nine out of ten participants to a gangbang really enjoy the experience"

08:13:06 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Shhhh...

08:13:47 BingoBoingo: I miss occupy WTF, because that was some easy tang.

08:14:33 BingoBoingo: BTC is a thing that exists nao though.

08:15:18 BingoBoingo: Dun dun dun dun. Stupid fucking mongoloids.

08:15:52 mircea_popescu: so am i the only one for whom the https://bitcoinaverage.com/ site simply loads nothing ?

08:15:58 mircea_popescu: dumbass bootstrap javascript etc.

08:17:26 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That side loads a full Usagi for me

08:17:48 mircea_popescu: prolly attempts to load some blocked script and fails to degrade.

08:18:00 BingoBoingo: Shit\

08:18:58 BingoBoingo: I dumped a bunch of cigs on my lap

08:20:58 BingoBoingo: I howeveer an still willing to coach Paul Graham and be his Nick Saban for 100 BTC/year

08:21:07 moiety: works ok for me

08:21:36 BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe harass him a bit with your vagina?

08:21:55 moiety: lol harass who and why?

08:22:14 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo eh you're coming on too strong, and to the wrong people.

08:22:17 BingoBoingo: I want those assholes to learn to learn

08:22:25 mircea_popescu: paul graham is dead, or at any rate old enough he might as well be.

08:22:30 mircea_popescu: find some unheard of upstart.

08:22:49 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think too stong to the right people.

08:22:58 moiety: i'm not even sure how one harrasses with on'es vagina to begin with

08:23:04 mircea_popescu: for anyone into celebration : Tue, 13 May 2014 16:53:20 GMT will be unixtime 1400000000

08:23:12 mircea_popescu: that aside, we doing anything for 1600000000 ?

08:23:35 BingoBoingo: Mircea No big BTC hollidays untile next year

08:23:40 mircea_popescu: (which, incidentally, aslo falls on a 13)

08:25:05 BingoBoingo: Any niggas here know a winkelvii?

08:25:09 mircea_popescu: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1011280_3925436269695_899022348_n.jpg

08:26:00 BingoBoingo: I can't pull that... again

08:26:11 moiety: you know you get virtual assistants? do you think bitcoin secretaries would be of any use?

08:26:34 BingoBoingo: moiety: Move to Timisoara already

08:26:57 mircea_popescu: bitcoin secretaries would be of plenty of use, if they're very good at what they do.

08:27:01 moiety: where is that and why do i know that name

08:27:01 mircea_popescu: and they don't end up working for george.

08:27:08 moiety: and who is george

08:27:34 BingoBoingo: George is the otheer nigga in timisoara

08:27:41 mircea_popescu: moiety http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-95.shtml grep fro "feasible"

08:27:56 mircea_popescu: im sorry, doable not feasible

08:28:06 mircea_popescu: forgot for a moment this show was intended for a us audience

08:28:19 mircea_popescu: must use dblplusgood speaks and stuff.

08:28:26 BingoBoingo: I hold out for Paul graham for one reason.

08:28:33 BingoBoingo: niggers.txt.

08:28:37 moiety: aha! seinfield. I keep meaning to watch it, so many people reference it

08:29:36 BingoBoingo: Some dude though wanted me+him to be the StL BTC meetup.

08:29:45 BingoBoingo: Told him to fuck off.

08:29:54 BingoBoingo: Nao he works for Bitpay.

08:30:07 moiety: lol harsh

08:30:11 BingoBoingo: Told him an hour ago to fuck off harder

08:30:59 BingoBoingo: moiety: This is how business happens though

08:31:32 BingoBoingo: Especially since Charlie SHrem was Bitpay's BTC Jesus too.

08:32:46 moiety: lets get drunk today, seems the best road for monday

08:32:51 BingoBoingo: Nevar has anyone in the history of wealth held so little and done so much.

08:33:09 BingoBoingo: 'Cauuse Plato was wrong, nigga

08:33:24 moiety: what happened to shrem?

08:33:43 BingoBoingo: moiety: He owned a bong in 'Murica?

08:35:46 moiety: found Timisoara, i know it from here. that's where you live mircea, right?

08:35:49 BingoBoingo: This is prolly still true http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=54

08:36:23 BingoBoingo: moiety: That isn't where he lives, That is where he thrives.

08:36:50 moiety: wiki has a lovely picture of the square at night in winter

08:37:04 moiety: why can't we have leds all year round

08:39:09 moiety: youre very very drunk huh bingo

08:39:54 BingoBoingo: moiety: If you think this is very drunk, I dun want to know what you imagine sober is

08:40:49 BingoBoingo: moiety: Even if there is worse, I swear I am not the worst.

08:41:12 moiety: sober is when you don't talk to me

08:41:28 moiety: smahed is when you end up in court

08:41:31 moiety: smashed

08:41:37 moiety: i think we are in between just now :P

08:42:54 BingoBoingo: Moiety ther is plenty of room to refine that spectrum

08:45:39 moiety: lol

08:45:50 BingoBoingo: Smashed is what I still defend in court, for justice.

08:46:18 moiety: february is next bit isnt it

08:48:43 BingoBoingo: Smashed is what I still defend in court, for justice. Moiety it is a bit too late your you

08:50:33 moiety: understandation incomplete. please try again?

08:51:10 BingoBoingo: Suppose again?

08:51:23 moiety: whats too late forme?

08:51:34 moiety: im a lost cause in general, i thought we clarified that

08:51:54 BingoBoingo: moiety: I am loster

08:52:22 moiety: you feel more lost than you are BingoBoingo. i just think youre looking for something.

08:56:14 moiety: http://www.cairnomohr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Scottish-Strawberry-Wine.jpg i found this however gorgeous

08:57:10 BingoBoingo: moiety: Of course I am lost, I am 'Murican

08:57:48 BingoBoingo: You have been trying for a niche too long. Do you want an expert or not; challenge posed t Mr Graham

08:58:22 moiety: did you just say that to him?

08:58:37 BingoBoingo: moiety: TO Graham, yes

08:58:41 moiety: you are one of the more enlightened 'muricans though bingo

08:58:51 BingoBoingo: moiety: I know

08:59:05 BingoBoingo: And people who ignore that will pain

08:59:22 moiety: this is why you need a bitch man, you need someone to sit on your phone in these times to create a line you cant go over

09:00:08 mircea_popescu: mkay, i see moiety has the situation in hand hiar.

09:00:44 moiety: dont leave us!

09:03:07 herbijudlestoids: hullo kids

09:03:10 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: chess?

09:03:41 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: the song is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AogtividIuk

09:04:37 moiety: herbi!

09:05:29 moiety: herbi herbi I've been at my pi again! It now looks after my email AND http://ely.ag/ *beams*

09:06:18 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Not nao when the laptop is a traitor

09:06:28 herbijudlestoids: moiety: got er goin 24/7? https://www.mailpile.is/ is something i heard about yesterday

09:06:41 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: :( ok

09:07:03 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Black or white?

09:07:18 herbijudlestoids: haha are we playing?

09:07:31 herbijudlestoids: heads

09:07:32 herbijudlestoids: ;;coin

09:07:57 BingoBoingo: Why cause my lappy has the twitch?

09:08:34 herbijudlestoids: i came on just for a game!

09:09:30 BingoBoingo: I coughed on the lappy and nao it is angry

09:10:05 herbijudlestoids: alright, enjoy the song ;)

09:10:18 BingoBoingo: I am so full of hate

09:13:29 BingoBoingo: can't click

09:13:59 BingoBoingo: such pain

09:19:47 moiety: oooh herbi thanks for the mailpile link

09:20:38 moiety: lol i love how bingo's speech becomes more and more dogelike the more and more vodka-filled he is

09:24:56 BingoBoingo: moiety: i NEVER KNEW A dOGE WHO TALKED LIKE ME.

09:25:19 BingoBoingo: Maybe Doge means different things though.

09:27:13 moiety: i dont know anyone that talks like you dear

09:27:35 moiety: thats a good thing

09:27:59 moiety: are yous playing chess?

09:28:58 BingoBoingo: moiety: Mouse ain't working right, so no, night night

09:29:39 moiety: nanight BingoBoingo sleep well, hope you dont feel rough when you get up

09:35:23 moiety: is selling domains on btctalk a hideous idea?

09:42:42 WillTablet: Hello

09:42:42 cazalla: depends, most people selling domains there are selling utter junk

09:52:01 WillTablet: Heh if anyone wants dickfun.com for the rest of its term they can have ir

09:54:48 jurov: https://twitter.com/ConanOBrien/status/435273030927802368 << mircea_popescu

09:54:49 ozbot: Twitter / ConanOBrien: Wow. Strippers get angry if ...

10:04:51 moiety: -strippers get angry if... they aren't spray painted gold first

10:17:24 moiety: hey, steve, please turn off your laptop!

10:17:55 moiety: or not

10:20:29 moiety: cazalla: mine is a bitcoin domain, just unsure what to list for

10:21:42 cazalla: moiety: obviously but 99% of them are total shit

10:22:43 moiety: yeah ive just been having a look at other listings for reference cazalla i see what you mean

10:42:37 Namworld: https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140217-Announcement.pdf

10:42:51 Namworld: "With this new system in place, MtGox should be able to resume withdrawals

10:42:51 Namworld: soon. At the beginning we will do so at a moderated pace and with new daily/

10:42:51 Namworld: monthly limits in place to prevent any problems with the new system and to take

10:42:51 Namworld: into account current market conditions. "

10:43:09 Namworld: market... conditions... right, whatever that is supposed to mean.

10:44:35 davout: also how is an e-mail telling you someone logged in to your account a security measure

10:44:37 CiPi: Is crap.

10:44:41 CiPi: They lie again.

10:44:47 CiPi: That fat mark liar.

10:45:09 davout: that's just letting you know you're being buttraped faster but doesn't really help...

10:46:01 davout: "hey, someone is currently performing surprise butseks on your account, since they'll probably change your password right away you're fucked nonetheless"

10:46:37 CiPi: I`m glad that i don`t have coins there.

10:47:12 CiPi: I just identified a jew, nkuttler...a big one...

10:47:32 jurov: ;;bc,stats

10:48:11 jurov: oh it did already change again

11:04:55 davout: !t m x.eur

11:12:03 Willdude123: Are all this bitcoin stocks actually legal?

11:15:30 KRS-One: hah

11:16:24 Willdude123: IKR legal is so 2013

11:18:42 davout: Willdude123: define "legal"

11:19:25 Willdude123: In keeping with financial tax, regulation and investment law

11:24:42 random_cat: in what locale?

11:25:08 random_cat: for the buyer or the seller?

11:29:36 davout: Willdude123: "teh law" is something relative to where you live, so unless you specify *which* law it is impossible to go further

11:30:08 davout: bitcoin stocks are perfectly compliant with the laws of gravity

11:31:17 Willdude123: Loads of exchanges tell people not to trade if they're in the US. What laws apply if they are offshore but primarily serving Americans?

11:36:32 davout: Willdude123: i didn't really investigate the subject of the application of american regulations to non-US bitcoin stock exchanges, but it seems the SEC does have an opinion, not that it really matters that much though. you should ask nefario about it, he used to run glbse that allegedly closed down due to some sort of SEC-indeuced legal pressure

11:49:24 Namworld: [06:30] <davout> bitcoin stocks are perfectly compliant with the laws of gravity

11:50:46 Namworld: ah

11:51:34 random_cat: *which* laws of gravity? Newton, Einstein, or something newer?

12:34:15 ThickAsThieves: i called it! "With this new system in place, MtGox should be able to resume withdrawals soon. At the beginning we will do so at a moderated pace and with new daily/monthly limits in place to prevent any problems with the new system and to take

12:34:15 ThickAsThieves: into account current market conditions. "

12:36:02 ThickAsThieves: [16:54] <ThickAsThieves> so any predictions what gox will announce?

12:36:02 ThickAsThieves: [16:55] <ThickAsThieves> i'm going with "btc withdrawals are now partially open, so we can monitor the situation"

12:45:29 Willdude123: Hey ThickAsThieves

12:45:47 Willdude123: I was thinking I could learn more programming and do that for BTC

12:49:27 ThickAsThieves: go for it

12:49:49 ThickAsThieves: just dont be a flaky knowitallthatknowslittle programmer

12:49:52 ThickAsThieves: we have enough of those

12:54:59 Willdude123: So someone who's just like ooh programming I can get $$ for this

13:21:28 moiety: any men online just now??

13:27:44 kakobrekla: yes, men online just now.

13:30:07 moiety: lol sorry realise how that sounded

13:30:15 moiety: ignore me, i had a situation

13:31:28 Willdude123: Men in your area

13:31:36 Willdude123: Looking for fun :P

13:36:54 kakobrekla: men just want to have fun

13:38:57 KRS-One: Woo! Lets party

13:39:00 KRS-One: Who wants to cyber?

13:39:03 KRS-One: .bait

13:39:04 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/4a52a4e5ccfe25e254cce8995ea87410/tumblr_mooo4un2LE1r6rxajo1_1280.jpg

13:39:15 mircea_popescu: simona halep is now #9 wta! ha!

13:39:27 kakobrekla: ;;google cyndi lauper just want to have fun

13:40:46 mircea_popescu: lol jurov

13:48:43 ThickAsThieves: whoa simona has big lungs

13:48:54 mircea_popescu: not anymore

13:48:56 mircea_popescu: she used to.

13:49:00 ThickAsThieves: ah

13:52:22 moiety: sorry guys, what happened was i went outside and my pet i just buried had been uncovered and was missing, i just didn't know what to do and i got a bit upset. apologies

13:52:44 mircea_popescu: so was it a fox ?

13:52:56 moiety: maybe, or dog or something

13:53:11 moiety: the stuff i had wrapped the pet in was all over thegarden :(

13:53:25 moiety: and im scared to find parts of my pet, you know?

13:53:40 mircea_popescu: sucks ;/

13:53:44 mircea_popescu: why did you bury it shallow ?

13:53:51 moiety: i didn't think it was shallow

13:53:57 moiety: and its a private garden

13:53:58 mircea_popescu: how deep was it ?

13:54:08 moiety: thinking on it, about a foot?

13:54:11 mircea_popescu: that makes no difference, ownership is a people thing not a nature thing.

13:54:17 mircea_popescu: ever heard the "seven feet under" expression ?

13:54:30 ThickAsThieves: sixfeet in US

13:54:40 ThickAsThieves: we even have a TV show

13:54:44 moiety: it was just really hard digging a hole with a spoon on my own, i was a bit upset when i was doing it

13:54:53 mircea_popescu: yes well.

13:54:59 mircea_popescu: didja put anything over it ? like a plank or something ?

13:55:01 Willdude123: ThickAsThieves, can I ask you a question regarding B.MINE and B.SELL?

13:55:12 ThickAsThieves: you should ask the guy who runs it

13:55:21 moiety: yeah, i put wood planks that were outside over her to keep her safe

13:55:40 mircea_popescu: what did you bury ?

13:56:00 moiety: please don't laugh, she meant a lot to me

13:56:02 moiety: hamster

13:56:25 mircea_popescu: it was a cat.

13:56:30 mircea_popescu: cats will dig about a foot

13:56:36 ThickAsThieves: you think?

13:56:39 mircea_popescu: defo.

13:56:50 moiety: i think that makes sense

13:57:02 mircea_popescu: next time get a shovel eh. just because it's a tiny pet doesn't mean it can't get a manly burial.

13:57:02 moiety: there isnt that much of a mess for a dog to have been digging

13:57:20 kakobrekla: well, you did provide some cat a meal, thats a good thing.

13:57:28 moiety: i learned big lesson today mircea_popescu

13:57:53 ThickAsThieves: i'd guess another critter

13:57:54 moiety: i guess kakobrekla i know its all circular, its just a bit upsetting when its right in front of you

13:57:56 ThickAsThieves: like raccoon

13:58:03 mircea_popescu: she's in scotland

13:58:04 moiety: no racoons in scotland!

13:58:06 mircea_popescu: they have raccoons now ?

13:58:07 ThickAsThieves: oh

13:58:08 ThickAsThieves: lol

13:58:11 moiety: :D

13:58:24 moiety: but hey! you stopped me crying lolol

13:58:59 ThickAsThieves: maybe the cat needs a home

13:59:05 Willdude123: ThickAsThieves, is he on here?

13:59:22 ThickAsThieves: will, i dont think so, but he is responsive in his fporum thread

13:59:59 kakobrekla: wtf is this shit now

14:00:04 kakobrekla: supernode changed his name

14:00:17 moiety: im a bit scared to search the garden but i feel i should just in case theres bits i could rebury

14:00:18 kakobrekla: he is now >

14:00:18 kakobrekla: "rpietila, the Vassal of the Mighty Goat"

14:00:41 ThickAsThieves: cats dont leave bits

14:00:46 ThickAsThieves: they transport

14:00:58 mircea_popescu: yeah it probably put the thing's head on a pike somewhere.

14:01:40 ThickAsThieves: it's probablt on the cat owner's steps

14:01:55 kakobrekla: did the chang goat get him or what

14:02:04 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sort-of old news actually.

14:02:23 kakobrekla: well im out of the loop apparently

14:02:24 moiety: poor wilma :(

14:02:32 ThickAsThieves: nice name

14:03:35 mircea_popescu: why does wilma care whether it's eaten by fungus or mammals ?

14:04:08 moiety: I care. i feel she deerved better

14:04:09 kakobrekla: well, i vouch taht rodents dont care if they are eaten

14:04:23 Willdude123: I wonder if I could somehow time lock my btc. So make it such that I can't touch them for 6 months

14:04:39 moiety: i couldn't bury her for ages you see, I just couldn't do it. so its worse that when i finally managed to bury her, she gets eaten a day later

14:04:54 kakobrekla: Willdude123 there are several ways of doing that

14:04:56 mircea_popescu: Willdude123 yeah. by not touching them for 6 months.

14:05:05 Willdude123: heh

14:05:10 mircea_popescu: moiety ahahaha you're such a twerp.

14:05:26 mircea_popescu: why not ask a day before rather than a day after teh failburial ?

14:06:26 kakobrekla: in some cultures that i didnt bother to remember, they un-bury the dead every few years

14:06:31 kakobrekla: clean the bones up

14:06:34 moiety: i didn't realise it had failed until about 20 minutes agp

14:06:34 kakobrekla: pack it back down.

14:06:38 moiety: ago

14:06:44 mircea_popescu: moiety but it was the first time you did it right ?

14:06:54 mircea_popescu: what made you think you're a qualified undertaker.

14:06:54 moiety: yep

14:07:12 moiety: oh lol not a single thing aside from not having any other option

14:07:30 mircea_popescu: so maybe next time ask the internets before devirginizing.

14:07:33 mircea_popescu: the internets know all.

14:08:03 kakobrekla: Willdude123 its possible to make a tx in such way it will be valid after n time, or just use bitbet.

14:08:06 moiety: yeah I usually am a lot more efficient when not bereaved

14:08:08 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, like in romania.

14:08:13 mircea_popescu: 7 years, wash bones in wine, rebury.

14:08:38 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wow that's true... bitbet can lock oyur dough for X time np./

14:09:08 kakobrekla: you know that already.

14:09:11 ThickAsThieves: thats one of the excuses i give myself for betting

14:09:15 kakobrekla: i didnt know romanians do that shit, its retarded.

14:09:39 moiety: only the first 7 mircea_popescu ?

14:09:48 moiety: or every 7?

14:09:49 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well it's done in the east (moldavia), where the retarded romanians live.

14:09:51 mircea_popescu: first 7.

14:09:56 moiety: k, thx

14:10:06 mircea_popescu: i think the next is 42 or 49 or somesuch

14:10:20 ThickAsThieves: however long til the bones are no longer drunk

14:10:24 mircea_popescu: lol

14:10:40 mircea_popescu: it's actually useful in places where you need to reuse the ground

14:10:47 mircea_popescu: take the bones out, bury someone else.

14:10:59 mircea_popescu: this is practiced extensively, just, you don't know about it.

14:11:06 moiety: you know, there is a park where i usually bury my small pets... im thinking others have probably been uncovered and i just havent seen it...

14:11:20 moiety: mircea_popescu: but don't they go looking ofr the missing (buried) person?

14:11:22 kakobrekla: yes its logical when you need some space, first thing it to come to mind - poke dead people

14:11:23 moiety: for*

14:11:32 mircea_popescu: moiety who, they ?

14:11:50 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla romania is a country with ~20mn people alive and ~150 bn people dead.

14:11:53 ThickAsThieves: romanians leave no witnesses

14:11:58 mircea_popescu: you want the entire country to be a cemetery or something ?

14:12:10 kakobrekla: burn to ashes

14:12:13 kakobrekla: takes less sapce

14:12:16 mircea_popescu: for that matter, visit rome. they have osuaries.

14:12:18 kakobrekla: space

14:12:21 mircea_popescu: how do you think they got THOSE bones ?

14:12:37 kakobrekla: why would you want to look up after rome!?

14:12:39 mircea_popescu: pretty much all xtian monasteries did this.

14:12:52 mircea_popescu: i didn't say you'd want to, just that people do.

14:12:57 moiety: are osuaries those places with the wee slots for peoples remains?

14:13:46 mircea_popescu: ;;google santa maria della concezione dei cappuccini

14:14:02 moiety: ty!

14:14:25 kakobrekla: well, italians have issues.

14:14:45 moiety: this reminds me of the place in paris

14:15:04 mircea_popescu: ;;google douaumont

14:16:00 kakobrekla: >The construction work for Fort de Douaumont started in 1885 and the fort was continually reinforced until 1913.

14:16:08 kakobrekla: >and due to French unpreparedness, the fort was easily captured by a small German raiding party.

14:16:10 kakobrekla: #win

14:16:15 mircea_popescu: lol

14:16:26 mircea_popescu: "then it was filled with like 100k skeletons"

14:17:04 moiety: yes! thats the one!

14:18:01 mircea_popescu: moiety douaumont is not in paris, it's at verdun

14:18:33 moiety: it's the catacombs im thinking of

14:18:42 kakobrekla: but but france is in paris

14:18:42 mircea_popescu: and for that matter,

14:18:45 kakobrekla: so it makes it ok!

14:18:46 mircea_popescu: ;;google czermna

14:19:17 moiety: my gosh there is loads of these places

14:19:37 mircea_popescu: toldja.

14:20:08 moiety: quite impressive how neatly they can be stacked

14:21:05 moiety: have any of you ever visited any of them?

14:21:05 mircea_popescu: moiety you sure you weren't thinking of the actual catacombes de paris ?

14:21:09 mircea_popescu: sure.

14:21:18 moiety: i think i was mircea_popescu

14:21:51 moiety: might seem a strange question, but is there a smell to these places? i would imagine there would be

14:21:58 mircea_popescu: not really.

14:23:13 moiety: apparently you can get lost in the catacombes

14:24:02 davout: moiety: yeah, if you ever go there go with someone who knows

14:24:30 moiety: i really want to but i think i would get creeped at the entrance on my own davout! lol

14:24:50 moiety: so many things to see in this world, i want eyes on legs

14:25:03 mircea_popescu: moiety chained nude somewhere in the depts of it, where nobody ever goes.

14:25:15 mircea_popescu: there, fixed your nightmares for you.

14:25:23 davout: the catacombs in paris aren't really filled with bones and stuff tho, they were originally places where people would get rocks from, don't know the word in english for it

14:25:24 ThickAsThieves: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/15/bitcoins-largest-exchange-is-dying-heres-why-thats-not-a-problem-for-bitcoin/ <<< if anyone is in the mood to laugh at current WP commenter ignorance

14:25:35 mircea_popescu: davout quarry ?

14:25:40 davout: mircea_popescu: exactly, ty

14:25:47 ozbot: Bitcoin’s largest exchange is dying. Here’s why that’s not a problem for Bitcoin.

14:26:00 moiety: lolol yep, good job mircea, now im thinking on the person that locks the chains *scared*

14:26:08 davout: so they were originally quarries, and a part of them was used to put bones away when paris cemetaries were getting filled up

14:26:50 moiety: i love that washington post uses wordpress

14:26:56 mircea_popescu: wow, apparently other people had this filled cemeteries problem too!

14:27:15 mircea_popescu: check it out kakobrekla, other countries are like... you know, inhabited

14:27:21 mircea_popescu: with populations and everything.

14:27:24 moiety: lol you have to book your spot here in advance, theres so little space

14:27:28 kakobrekla: sarajevo had the same problem

14:27:46 kakobrekla: anyway the problem is that people dont want to burn bodies to ashes

14:28:06 mircea_popescu: Sarajevo (Cyrillic: Сарајево; pronounced [sǎrajɛʋɔ]) is the capital and largest city of Bosnia and Herzegovina, with an estimated population of 291,422

14:28:08 mircea_popescu: fucking epic.

14:28:09 moiety: i would prefer that to rotting in the ground

14:28:35 kakobrekla: well the problem there was war and they were locked in there

14:28:39 kakobrekla: with lotsa bodies

14:29:46 mircea_popescu: yea

14:30:54 moiety: it's a real shame there just now too

14:33:08 kakobrekla: yeah

14:33:11 kakobrekla: as someone famous said

14:33:25 kakobrekla: the balkans produce more history than they can consume

14:33:30 mircea_popescu: ha!

14:33:37 mircea_popescu: now that's a good saying.

14:37:45 chetty: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/02/14/health-department-launches-new-look-for-nyc-branded-condom-larger-kyng-size/

14:37:45 ozbot: Health Department Launches New Look For Branded Condom, Larger Size « CBS New York

14:42:10 ThickAsThieves: why is the Kyng size smaller looking?

14:43:35 ThickAsThieves: and why the Y?

14:45:17 chetty: I was hoping you guys could explain.

14:47:27 moiety: is this an extremely poor pr tack??

14:47:58 moiety: as in everything new york gets NYXX treatment. this is a very bad play on that?

14:48:58 moiety: either waym they just look like kanyedoms

14:54:58 moiety: who is failcoin on twitter?

15:02:45 moiety: whoops! http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/02/08/national/tepco-no-1-plant-readings-probably-too-low/#.UwIjymJ_us9

15:08:54 jurov: sigh, what did the world come to

15:12:31 asciilifeform: 'when the king freed [exiled] drakula from the dungeon, he lead him to buda, and gifted to him a house in pest, opposite buda, but to his court not yet permitted him. and then it happened that some fleeing rogue ran into drakula's manor and took refuge there. the pursuers sought the rogue there and found him. then drakula lept up, snatched his sword, ran from his quarters and beheaded the constable who had caug

15:12:31 asciilifeform: ht the rogue - and released the rogue. the other constables took flight, and, when they came to the judge, spoke to him of this. the judge and his horsemen went to the king with complaint of drakula. the king a messenger to drakula, to ask, 'why have you wrought this evil?' he replies thusly, 'no evil have i wrought, but the constable has slaine himself with his own hand: such shall be the demise of any who, li

15:12:32 asciilifeform: ke a rogue, storms into the home of a great lord. had he come to me and spoke reason, i would have found the rogue in my home and either given him up, or asked for his reprieve.' the king was told of this. and he laughed, and marvelled at drakula's approach.'

15:15:04 jurov: nothing unusual

15:15:23 jurov: hungaruan kings always had problems with local warlords

15:15:29 jurov: *hungarian

15:16:36 jurov: i'd say marvelled is just a bad translation

15:20:22 asciilifeform: try this one on for size then. 'once drakula proclaimed: let it be known throughout all of his lands, that all who are old, or invalid, or diseased, or poor, shall come to him. and so came to him an untold multitude of beggars and vagabonds, awaiting generous alms. he ordered them all brought to a house for this purpose built, and had food and wine brought to them. they feasted amidst great merriment. drakula t

15:20:22 asciilifeform: hen came to them in person, and asked 'what more do you wish?' they answered thusly: 'it is known only to god, lord, and to you: do that which god commands you.' he asked further of them: 'do you wish me to make you happy in this world, wanting for nothing?' they, awaiting from him great generosity, replied in unison, 'yes, we do want, our lord!' and then drakula ordered the house sealed and put to the torch, a

15:20:23 asciilifeform: nd the alms-seekers did burn. and spoke drakula to his nobles thusly, 'do you know why i did this? firstly, let them no more pester people, and let there be no more beggars in my lands, and all shall be wealthy; secondly, i have set them free; let them suffer no more upon this earth from poverty or illness.'

15:22:22 jurov: and then gets invited to buda by king. poor lady bathory should have known better.

15:22:47 jurov: but she decided to slaughter young girls instead

15:40:15 deadweasel: ;;later tell mircea_popescu no no, I just enjoyed their hometown cuisine with sake, nothing more. hometown cuisine is not a euphemism.

15:41:18 moiety: asciilifeform: i'm going to collect it all together

15:41:42 asciilifeform: moiety: might wanna look for a respectable translation of the whole manuscript.

15:41:56 asciilifeform: i've shat out maybe half, and not especially well.

15:42:39 moiety: i like yours.

15:45:07 asciilifeform: 1486. "Сказание о Дракуле-воеводе." (tale of drakula, the chieftain.)

15:45:23 asciilifeform: (prince? warlord? воевод doesn't translate well.)

15:46:15 asciilifeform: (for the uninitiated: not to be confused with the fictional 19th c. undead fellow.)

15:53:22 chetty: asciilifeform: воевод = Governor, but big chief or warlord is probably

16:03:03 moiety: chetty: so, drakula the big chief?!

16:03:30 moiety: or if written in Hackney, Guv

16:14:10 mike_c: i guess people either don't think JD is correct, or are just deliberately giving their money away. this guy is firing off 100 bets per minute. i mean, that is just the astoundingly worst way to bet possible.

16:14:44 mike_c: 2000 btc wagered in last few hours, and not surprisingly given how he is betting, he is down 23 btc, almost right on EV.

16:17:55 asciilifeform: chetty: literally, 'he who leads us into battle.' the modern english word 'governor' has rather different connotations.

16:18:52 asciilifeform: e.g. modern russia fields a ballistic missile titled 'voevod.' can you picture naming a rocket 'governor' ?

16:19:16 ThickAsThieves: Lawsky wants to do an AMA https://twitter.com/BenLawsky/status/435244370510749698

16:47:24 asciilifeform: and now for something completely different.

16:47:41 asciilifeform: [5760131.063368] bitcoin-msghand[23369]: segfault at 0 ip 000000000048bd21 sp 00007f55d1759800 error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000]

16:47:45 bones`: no more drakula? I was enjoying that

16:47:48 asciilifeform: third time in the past year or so.

16:48:20 asciilifeform: and always at 0x48bd21, too.

16:48:51 asciilifeform: this being the 'reference client'

16:49:04 asciilifeform: on a 64-bit linux box.

16:49:49 asciilifeform: crash, evidently, is in 'ThreadMessageHandler'

16:49:50 asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/net.cpp

16:50:00 asciilifeform: gentlemen start your engines.

16:52:38 ThickAsThieves: i'm too ignorant to know what this means

16:52:42 ThickAsThieves: halp?

16:53:20 mike_c: oh no. that's a lot of globals..

16:53:26 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: it means a potentially-exploitable boojum.

16:53:29 asciilifeform: in the reference client.

16:53:31 asciilifeform: (bitcoind)

16:54:33 asciilifeform: probably naturally-occurring crash, given as the canary coin that lives on that box is still present.

16:56:32 jurov: interesting. i never had such crash, and running it 24/7 too

16:56:52 asciilifeform: also 24/7.

16:57:11 asciilifeform: 3 of these in the past 16 months or so.

16:57:23 mike_c: without having a repo, it doesn't seem hard to crash this if a null node gets in the node vector.

16:57:53 jurov: it is the same address despite there were updates?

16:58:08 jurov: or running some old version?

16:58:30 asciilifeform: only got dumps for the last 2 times,

16:58:52 mike_c: do you have symbols? I bet on this line: if (pnode->fDisconnect)

16:59:08 asciilifeform: version 0.8.6

16:59:12 asciilifeform: no symbols.

17:01:54 mike_c: you have the code though, right? you could build symbols and use them to analyze the dump

17:02:03 mike_c: i mean, you know, if you didn't have anything else to do

17:02:08 asciilifeform: haha

17:03:16 mike_c: i'm not going to look at that code anymore because I will have to renege on everything i said the other day and agree that a new reference build is high priority.

17:05:18 asciilifeform: if bitcoind were written in common lisp or an equivalent (?) system, i'd be looking at an exact, human-readable and resumable-on-repair (!) halted daemon right now.

17:05:45 asciilifeform: see http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?CommonLispConditionSystem

17:06:08 asciilifeform: (and http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Common_Lisp/Advanced_topics/Condition_System)

17:06:32 mike_c: you can edit-and-continue with some c++ debuggers. it even works 30% of the time.

17:06:45 asciilifeform: haha

17:07:16 asciilifeform: that's like welding a torn hair back together. sure, it's possible...

17:41:02 cads: ahaha

17:41:32 cads: hey asciilifeform, so you were translating those stories from earlier?

17:41:45 asciilifeform: cads: yeah

17:42:05 cads: Where from? They were pretty good.

17:42:22 cads: It wasn't romanin, was it?

17:42:26 asciilifeform: nope

17:42:34 cads: darn

17:42:36 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#511321

17:42:41 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

17:42:51 asciilifeform: (scroll up for 2 more.)

17:47:51 cads: haha, nice

17:48:11 cads: hey, so you guys think mt gox has earned too many strikes to keep playing?

17:48:29 cads: or has it just fallen into second place

17:49:01 mike_c: goxbux are worth less than 0.5 btc now..

17:51:49 cads: what do you mean, it seems like if you had 300 dollars in a gox account now you could buy coin and jump out

17:52:48 ThickAsThieves: except you cant

17:53:06 cads: oh, right, that's what 'halted withdrawals' means

17:53:08 ThickAsThieves: if you are maybe lucky you can maybe jump out on Thursday

17:53:09 cads: woo

17:54:10 cads: this is like a full speed freight train that's been magically teleported 2 miles up into the sky

17:54:21 cads: above a residential area :)

17:54:57 cads: hurling wreckage

18:04:26 asciilifeform: does anyone here have more than a 'purely zoological' interest in what happens to gox?

18:04:44 asciilifeform: because i sure don't.

18:05:15 mike_c: i think we all do in the same way we had an interest in SR failing. good for btc.

18:05:48 asciilifeform: one chump magnet dies, another takes its place.

18:05:52 asciilifeform: or ten others.

18:05:53 deadweasel: the dodo told everyone it could fly, when in fact it had never even sold a magic card...

18:06:31 jurov: you think anyone here will admit it has something there?

18:07:26 asciilifeform: i'll extend mp's thesis and conjecture that it died from, rather than in spite, of, the mountain of free advertising in u.s. mouthpiece media 'mtgox, the largest exchange, today, ... etc'

18:08:26 asciilifeform: do herds of chumps bring into existence chumpmeisters, or the other way around?

18:08:52 mike_c: well, it died from incompetence. herds of chumps is the only reason we are talking about them.

18:10:18 jurov: does anyone have a competence growing btc/fiat exchange

18:10:32 jurov: from 0 to 100000 users in few years?

18:11:04 jurov: i guess much better people than karpeles would get burned

18:11:18 asciilifeform: when you get 100,000 users, does satan appear before you and command you to 'take the exchange fractional' ?

18:11:57 jurov: they would still have to deal with banks. and they can be worse than satan.

18:12:27 asciilifeform: hence the question of whether an honest btc/fiat exchange is possible even in principle, without the cooperation of a sovereign.

18:13:11 mike_c: jurov, 0 -> 100k in a few years isn't that hard with appropriate resources (which they had)

18:13:45 mike_c: well, they had monetary resources. not talent resources.

18:13:47 asciilifeform: i think the implication might have been that 100k users turns you into a 'person of interest' for the vultures

18:13:54 asciilifeform: and then 'you can also have problems.'

18:14:00 jurov: dunno if sovereign changes anything. vatican supposedly has banned all electronic money transfers

18:14:43 jurov: *is banned from

18:15:12 wao-ender: is it? v0v, didnt know

18:15:32 jurov: nto even tourists can use ATMs there last time i heard

18:16:28 mike_c: second market is legally & reliably exchanging bitcoin. who needs an exchange for HFT quants? nobody.

18:17:00 jurov: what is second market?

18:17:31 mike_c: http://www.bitcointrust.co/

18:17:32 wao-ender: jurov: https://www.secondmarket.com/company/bitcoin-investment-trust

18:17:36 ThickAsThieves: https://www.secondmarket.com/

18:17:39 ThickAsThieves: bleh

18:17:52 ozbot: SecondMarket - Simplified Transactions for Private Companies and Funds.

18:17:58 asciilifeform: mike_c: trololol

18:18:34 mike_c: what? you disagree?

18:19:22 jurov: that does not look like something for retail

18:19:30 mike_c: it's not. $25k minimum.

18:21:09 copumpkin: well

18:21:12 copumpkin: and accredited investor

18:21:24 copumpkin: which is uncommon

18:21:37 copumpkin: also, those fees are ridiculous

18:21:55 mike_c: as opposed to gox's "we keep your bitcoin" fee :)

18:22:09 copumpkin: no, as opposed to buy your own coins and sit on them

18:22:12 jurov: ok, but we were talking about building exchange for 100k chumps

18:22:13 copumpkin: and pay no fees

18:22:25 copumpkin: and also, lots of people have $25k who aren't accredited investors

18:22:46 mike_c: well, i guess i'm saying an exchange defined as "hft enabled" is not necessary. just a place to buy/sell.

18:23:09 asciilifeform: the other crap aside, a service where you do not get to take btc 'home' at the end of the day ought not to be called a btc exchange.

18:23:11 asciilifeform: call it something else.

18:23:40 mircea_popescu: A bug in Google's Chrome web browser enables malicious websites to activate your microphone and spy on conversations that happen next to your computer, even after you've left the website.

18:24:03 mircea_popescu: o yeah, using a browser made by a search engine was such a brilliant idea.

18:24:10 asciilifeform: lol

18:24:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: little bug closer to home: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#511355

18:26:58 asciilifeform: when using a machine with hardwired cameras/microcrophones/anal probes, always smile and speak very politely.

18:26:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform voievode, whats wrong with that ?

18:27:10 mircea_popescu: gotta allow at least some of the ingredients' flavour into the finished dish.

18:27:22 asciilifeform: haha

18:27:48 mircea_popescu: mike_c there's always been (since inception) a set of people who believed it is thus exploitable.

18:28:18 mircea_popescu: whether this is like the set who still believes the ufos have landed or moreover like the set that does government's banking is hard to say

18:28:23 mike_c: well, this guy just spent 50 btc looking. he hasn't found it yet :)

18:28:41 asciilifeform: btc can be sent to look for vulns on its own? that's news to me.

18:28:43 asciilifeform: had no idea.

18:28:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually that'd be duke, dux in the latin space.

18:28:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: exactly.

18:29:20 asciilifeform: perhaps btc also knows how to bake cakes.

18:29:33 mike_c: spent. with a P.

18:29:57 asciilifeform: it is very easy to spend MAXINT coin, dollars, walnuts, etc. with no result.

18:30:02 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/435481204867866624 :D

18:31:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you got some old/bad libraries. i have a reference running since 2011 that never crashed.

18:31:47 mircea_popescu: lol @mike_c . head in sand eh ?

18:31:55 mike_c: buried.

18:32:03 asciilifeform: this is a box devoted to running the 'current' branch.

18:32:07 asciilifeform: with updated libs, etc.

18:32:26 mircea_popescu: cads> or has it just fallen into second place << the "it may continue in 2nd place" was april 2013.

18:32:54 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or ten others. << ten are better than one. like phone numbers.

18:33:41 kakobrekla: as long as its over mininum

18:34:08 mircea_popescu: mike_c> (which they had) << this is arguyable. the thing run in the red for most of its lifetime, and in a dubious field. they always had trouble finding investors, and the investors they did find were mostly of the imbecile sort. if you want i can dig up the fraudsters discussion re investors and why they suck, but you'll end up with more shit to translate as a result.

18:35:40 mike_c: it just doesn't take that much capital to scale to 100k. one good engineer is sufficient given the timeframe.

18:35:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never heard of anyone running a current branch of anything that didn't crash.

18:36:07 mircea_popescu: what drakula'd do to the so called "programmers' doing this is left as an exercise to the current voievodes.

18:36:49 mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah, just like linux is sufficient for hijacking nuclear warheads in flight.

18:36:50 asciilifeform: imho gilged stake is too good for these folks.

18:37:21 mircea_popescu: maybe spiked stake.

18:37:44 mircea_popescu: http://www.polythene-sheeting-and-tarpaulins.com/acatalog/5inchbarb.jpg

18:38:00 asciilifeform: by some accounts, spikes (well, splinters) were considered a mercy, and used in extenuating circumstances, while grease on a smooth stake was used in aggravating ones.

18:38:16 asciilifeform: (unfortunately lack the 'citation needed' here)

18:38:22 mircea_popescu: this is possibly true.

18:38:47 asciilifeform: i suggest 'teflon' for the case at hand.

18:38:59 mircea_popescu: while i slept i dreamt about these two womenz having an argument which ended by leaving the other tied to a tree in the wild somewhere with her rectum stretch-filled with fresh mud.

18:39:01 asciilifeform: bonus of easier cleaning

18:39:09 mircea_popescu: the reasoning being that the shit'll dry and that's that.

18:42:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i recall, one of danzig baldaev's comics had this exact scene in it.

18:43:16 mircea_popescu: it did ?

18:43:25 asciilifeform: (he is often said to have spiced things up a bit. so take with a grain of salt.)

18:43:29 mircea_popescu: mebbe i should check out this thing then

18:43:54 asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/search?q=danzig+baldaev&source=lnms&tbm=isch

18:44:09 asciilifeform: if anybody has a warez copy of the whole 130+ set, drop it here.

18:44:48 mircea_popescu: da fuck is lnms and isch btw ? google couldn't just put a ?t=pix or some shit like normal people.

18:44:55 mircea_popescu: o no. gotta be isch and derpyderp and etc.

18:45:18 mircea_popescu: o wait this is the camp guard that documented the tattoos is he ?

18:45:24 asciilifeform: not only tattoos

18:45:30 asciilifeform: a real hieronymous bosch, this fellow.

18:45:43 mircea_popescu: http://observatory.designobserver.com/media/images/Pic4_women.jpg

18:45:50 mircea_popescu: look at that, the maddona-whore complex, in russian.

18:45:55 asciilifeform: SOP.

18:46:01 mircea_popescu: this has got to be marginal, is it ?

18:47:10 asciilifeform: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TnAcMqiBxug/TNrnuS_wugI/AAAAAAAAWnU/VA7gQGvFpGc/s1600/File0007.jpg

18:47:29 asciilifeform: 'i am an english, french, american, japanese, italian, german, and some other kind of spy...'

18:48:01 mircea_popescu: heh.

18:48:23 asciilifeform: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61ZVAeJ9qUL.jpg

18:48:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the women specifically, is that nonsense a mainstream representation afayk ?

18:48:33 mircea_popescu: seems to me more like an import.

18:48:34 asciilifeform: depends, 'mainstream'

18:48:38 mircea_popescu: myeah.

18:48:44 asciilifeform: 'the slaying by a convict of a 'bullock' during an escape from camp.'

18:49:49 asciilifeform: 'convicts, during escapes from far nothern camps of gulag lured with them (due to the impossibility of gathering adequate provisions while imprisoned) other inmates, who would be killed en route. such victims of cannibalism were known in convict argot as 'bullocks.' how many 'bullocks' were eaten up, is unknown.'

18:51:06 mircea_popescu: more interesting, how many troops of bullocks successfully took over the escape and ate the smartasses.

18:51:28 asciilifeform: never know who the bullock is until, well, bullock time

18:51:31 mircea_popescu: because without a 50-50 distribution cads mat has damned serious problems enacting his imagined polity into reality.

18:51:54 mircea_popescu: mat stands, of course, for may. rather than cunt.

18:53:13 mircea_popescu: i wonder if the old "each table has a sucker or it wouldn't be a table. if you don't know who then well..." into a "each escape has its bullocks, and upon the eating of the first one you'll know whether you count with him by whether you're invited to dine."

18:53:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: found your dream's woman. (warning to folks with weak nerves - medieval/inquisitory!) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WPS03cv5PlA/T6QfShY0W6I/AAAAAAAABAE/Ekx87gH6pXA/s1600/BaldaevGulag20_.jpg

18:53:50 mircea_popescu: not so by an ymeans.

18:54:07 mircea_popescu: atm trying to discern if indeed the left side girl in the earlier pic is or only resembles.

18:58:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the caption say ? my russian is too sucky.

19:00:03 asciilifeform: which one?

19:00:17 asciilifeform: ant girl?

19:01:03 mircea_popescu: yeah

19:02:48 asciilifeform: 'some demented people in gulag during the years of the cult, for their amusement, would select women from the contigent of 'enemies of the people' and for 'some sin' sit them down upon anthills.' bottom: 'young women who refused to become lovers of their executioners in gulag would be sat upon anthills, tied to trees, 'for the mosquitoes and ants.' sometimes a pipe would be inserted, made from a reed or a birc

19:02:48 asciilifeform: h 'flute', a rolled up tube for the ease of entry of ants. to the legs would be tied a 'spreader stick.' often the executioners were helped by female 'vor' ['thief-in-law'] inmates.'

19:03:25 asciilifeform: baldaev got quite a lot of shit for these, many folks insisted that he simply drew his fantasies (during his employment as a prison guard)

19:04:08 asciilifeform: the compendium is now a best-seller.

19:04:11 asciilifeform: incl. in american bookstores.

19:05:00 mircea_popescu: oic

19:05:49 mircea_popescu: many folks = the anthropologically challenged.

19:06:33 asciilifeform: some scenes are a little bit stretching historical credibility, like this slave ship loading: http://cs409231.vk.me/v409231196/594d/FWKahJoz4aM.jpg

19:06:38 mircea_popescu: врагов enemies rather than devils

19:07:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, the allies used that principle in places during the dunkirk rescue.

19:07:39 mircea_popescu: wild times.

19:07:52 asciilifeform: caption notes that 'nets were eventually replaced with cages holding fifty men, due to high rates of trauma.'

19:10:11 mircea_popescu: when it's a case of "got five hours to get as many men on the boat as you can, and whoever's left gets to meet herr drakula"... trauma starts looking like cake.

19:10:59 Apocalyptic: for anyone interested the ATC ticker is up @ https://www.x-bt.com/api/atcbtc/get_ticker

19:11:41 asciilifeform: here, author is almost certainly satisfying his own desires: http://actualhistory.ru/app/var/pub/files/86/41776_image_large.jpg

19:12:02 asciilifeform: (i could translate caption but it's more or less self-explanatory)

19:12:09 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic add some vwap stuff to it ?

19:12:32 kakobrekla: and vol

19:12:34 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, added on my todo list

19:12:43 asciilifeform: rectomurine cryptoanalysis.

19:12:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol, momsoup ?

19:13:22 mircea_popescu: so why "almost certainly" ?

19:13:45 asciilifeform: 'in one cellar...' '...tire pump, soldering iron, bottle, ... rat, bucket on hotplate.'

19:14:06 mircea_popescu: the objection being that such a diverse collection of items could not be found in the same one cellar ?

19:15:40 asciilifeform: no serious objection on my part, just that the author has a reputation as a teller of embellished tales.

19:15:48 asciilifeform: a herodotus of sorts.

19:17:45 mircea_popescu: but was this reputation been built by reddit or by vory.

19:18:15 asciilifeform: hard to say. plenty of folks wrote that 'i did time, saw no such things'

19:18:17 asciilifeform: as you might expect.

19:18:22 mircea_popescu: right.

19:18:35 mircea_popescu: many women could say "i've been around the block, there's no mp"

19:18:43 mircea_popescu: especially to their mothers.

19:19:50 asciilifeform: many arguments were against the 'political' slant of the book, rather than the facts. 'some english chick is sitting on a rat pot right now, but where's the book, hah.'

19:20:09 mircea_popescu: i doubt she is, tbh.

19:20:14 mircea_popescu: the main problem of the west is impotence.

19:20:34 mircea_popescu: what was cat again ? thief ?

19:20:40 asciilifeform: recidivist.

19:21:13 asciilifeform: russian blogger, circa '04: 'have you ever beaten a man? had you done so, you would know that it is hard work. no less arduous than turning a meat-grinder. how often do you wake up to the urge to crank a meat-grinder? every day?'

19:21:18 mircea_popescu: "many english girls will have their cute recidivist tattoos fed to them should they ever end up in kresty

19:21:30 punkman: cat is thief, goat is snitch

19:21:46 mircea_popescu: punkman there's some ethnic and geographic variation to it.

19:21:54 asciilifeform: historians divide the tats into two basic types, 'voluntary' and 'forcible.'

19:22:20 punkman: well yeah, you wouldn't tattoo snitch on your forehead

19:22:54 asciilifeform: ex. of the latter: a devil stoking a furnace (drawn around actual arse, it being the furnace)

19:23:04 punkman: heh

19:23:54 asciilifeform: anyone interested in this subject can find all the reading material he wishes.

19:24:47 punkman: I got a couple books with tattoos, these russian books seem like a good addition

19:25:27 asciilifeform: by some accounts, the old traditions have died, and the days when a man would be severely punished for an 'unearned' tattoo are gone.

19:25:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the meatgrinder thing ; it's well documented that people doing time get bored.

19:25:41 asciilifeform: right

19:25:42 mircea_popescu: if you had the option of running on a stairmaster or turning the meat grinder, what'd you take ?

19:26:55 mircea_popescu: and incidentally : http://www.velona.com/about/chris3.html

19:27:09 asciilifeform: the man i quoted re: the meatgrinder was employed as a detective embedded in a prison, in what was then leningrad. he had an interesting take: much of what the rubes think of as 'the cruelty' was simply administration of justice among the convicts

19:27:15 asciilifeform: for real, as well as imagines, slights.

19:27:50 mircea_popescu: this would be true.

19:27:57 mircea_popescu: as best one can discern anyway.

19:29:00 asciilifeform: the most mortal sin was, as one might expect, snitching, followed by welching on debts.

19:29:17 mircea_popescu: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iXSddXHNoPg/TbxlRoB9dTI/AAAAAAAAAHk/CT0fRQTE0fo/s1600/lifeingulag-53%255B1%255D.jpg

19:29:26 mircea_popescu: i'd say that's the most improbable of the lot, actually.

19:29:45 asciilifeform: how's that

19:29:54 mircea_popescu: completely contradicts all notions of ritual purity. they'd have cut his head outside and behind

19:30:02 mircea_popescu: (ie, not by the door, by the opposite wall)

19:30:24 asciilifeform: this one is actually plausible. may be taking place in a barrack belonging to 'lower order' convicts

19:30:29 asciilifeform: (that is, 'political' types)

19:30:34 asciilifeform: cleanup left for them.

19:30:40 mircea_popescu: or like that i guess.

19:30:45 mircea_popescu: tho the people look comfortable

19:30:49 mircea_popescu: ie, not like they're visiting.

19:30:57 asciilifeform: true.

19:31:14 mircea_popescu: it's little things like that that grate. otherwise arguing against the message...

19:31:17 mircea_popescu: hard tack.

19:31:31 mircea_popescu: http://www.freebook.com.br/Imagens/produtos/28/9780955006128/9780955006128_Detalhes1.jpg < wtf is the fucking thinking here.

19:31:43 mircea_popescu: i'll show you i'm a convicted whore but hide my nipples and wear a slip!

19:32:02 asciilifeform: http://img15.nnm.me/7/b/8/5/d/8d654b1e70e9d5e656fcfb5dfbf.jpg

19:32:51 asciilifeform: 'when we clean out his starfish, quickly he'll remember how he undermined soviet power and the party in his research institute with his cybernetics, this scoundrel...'

19:33:02 mircea_popescu: lol

19:33:07 asciilifeform: this one's pushing it a bit

19:33:18 mircea_popescu: i agree.

19:33:21 asciilifeform: not because of the red hot poker, either.

19:33:39 mircea_popescu: this seems more like prospective than descriptive

19:33:44 mircea_popescu: if i may be pardoned the pun

19:34:10 asciilifeform: incidentally, few modern armchair generals seem to know that the forbidden 'cybernetics' had nothing to do with the construction of calculating machines

19:34:41 asciilifeform: but rather the glass bead game pushed by half-educated fans of norbert wiener & co. at the time.

19:36:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it COULD have had something to do with calculating machines

19:36:09 mircea_popescu: or with breaking up the rain pattern

19:36:13 mircea_popescu: or with giving stalin colics.

19:36:31 asciilifeform: we may yet live to see boschean marvels like this one drawn about modern folks.

19:36:47 asciilifeform: and sold in 'history for kidz' sections of trendoid bookstores.

19:37:15 asciilifeform: where i in fact saw baldaev.

19:37:47 mircea_popescu: sukas are modern, certainly.

19:37:53 mircea_popescu: when's your modernity start, last week ?!

19:37:59 asciilifeform: timeless.

19:38:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but as you observed, the age of the impotent. whose doings perhaps will not make for good pictures.

19:39:43 mircea_popescu: impotence never lasts.

19:39:48 mircea_popescu: it's a self-limiting condition.

19:40:34 mircea_popescu: there's only so much occupy bs the girls can put up with before eviscerating the doofus troop with their bare hands.

19:42:49 asciilifeform: then, pictures.

19:42:53 asciilifeform: but not before.

19:42:56 mircea_popescu: true, that.

19:43:14 mircea_popescu: i would guess your gb worth of footage is by and large worthless. curb your enthusiasm level.

19:43:24 asciilifeform: it certianly is.

19:43:35 asciilifeform: hence, not posted anywhere.

19:43:52 mircea_popescu: myeah.

19:44:22 Mats_cd03: dongs

19:44:53 mircea_popescu: then again : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/《喜溢秋庭图》静贵妃部分.jpg

19:45:02 mircea_popescu: derpage abounds in history.

19:46:26 mircea_popescu: and from the same period : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/《玫贵妃春贵人行乐图》.jpg

19:46:52 mircea_popescu: who the fuck would want two concubines dressed in exactly the same cut out of slightly different colored material but otherwise same textile,

19:47:00 mircea_popescu: with identical earrings outside of minor variations

19:47:08 mircea_popescu: and equally stupid hats.

19:47:21 mircea_popescu: clearly there's no cock involved in this entire thing at any juncture.

19:48:08 asciilifeform: in an account of turkish concubines, a venetian envoy noted that cucumbers were served to them pre-sliced...

19:48:51 Mats_cd03: thats my fetish

19:48:54 mircea_popescu: well yeah... ?

19:49:07 mircea_popescu: i had lunch today, the salad had cucumbers, they were pre sliced

19:49:33 asciilifeform: well, noted specifically that they were permitted through the gate only upon slicing.

19:50:04 mircea_popescu: oh

19:50:26 mircea_popescu: do you suppose the concern was they may enjoy them through both ends of the digestive canal

19:50:44 mircea_popescu: or that they may contraband unapproved earrings in them, much to the anger and envy of all the other bored womenz ?

19:50:46 asciilifeform: presumably

20:01:28 mircea_popescu: incidentally, how many people know of the war debt carusel in the context of the 1929 crisis ?

20:01:54 mircea_popescu: as in, all through the war the british were sucking captial out of the us, first in the form of cashing out their massive investments, then in the shape of borrowing.

20:02:14 mircea_popescu: this was being repaid after the war, principally from german reparations, which principally consisted of us loans to germany.

20:02:38 mircea_popescu: the entire thing ended in the 30s as perhaps the first major fiasco of the government-owned financial system.

20:02:47 asciilifeform: arse-mouth system.

20:02:53 asciilifeform: i though everybody knew.

20:02:57 asciilifeform: *thought

20:03:11 mircea_popescu: well, that's the problem with ww1, for the first time in history governments became a majority of the gdp,

20:03:22 mircea_popescu: basically the bolsheviks won anyway.

20:03:56 mircea_popescu: but anyway, we're talking 10 to 20 1930 bn dollars worth here.

20:05:30 mircea_popescu: that'd be roughly 30 to 50 or so thousand tons of gold, at the time

20:06:21 asciilifeform: ww1 zapped the wealth, the rest, funny bookkeeping to cover for it

20:06:57 mircea_popescu: i wonder if germany is/will be told "fu, we're keeping the gold cause ww1"

20:07:02 asciilifeform: (not like they could've brought it back)

20:07:21 asciilifeform: gold for safekeeping, haha

20:07:33 asciilifeform: stalin, during famous party plenum, re: spanish civil war gold:

20:07:46 asciilifeform: 'these fellows won't see it again like they won't see their ears [without mirror].]

20:11:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform romania sent about a billion trillion tons of gold and shit back when russia was run by the tsar (and close ally / relative of the romanian king)

20:11:46 mircea_popescu: quoty Kosighin "what gold ? we have never heard of such a gold"

20:12:01 mircea_popescu: quoth birladeanu "here's in the soviet archives lenin recorded speaking of it"

20:12:11 mircea_popescu: "o... hm.... uhhhh"

20:12:20 mircea_popescu: the next day "clearly, you misunderstood something"

20:12:27 mircea_popescu: "the whites took it"

20:17:53 mircea_popescu: http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2023140,00.html < economic crisis starts sort-of just as germany is done paying its 1953-reinstated, ww1 bonds.

20:18:01 ozbot: How Germany Ended Its World War I Reparations Payments - TIME

20:18:26 mike_c: more JD stats you are all dying to know: ROI on money invested last July and left alone since then: 14.5%

20:18:43 jurov: lol and did you hear what italy just did?

20:18:54 mircea_popescu: jurov ayup.

20:19:03 mircea_popescu: mike_c whoa.

20:19:18 kakobrekla: is not bad

20:19:19 jurov: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-16/money-launderer-until-proven-innocent-italy-imposes-20-tax-withholding-all-inbound-m

20:19:26 mircea_popescu: that is actually the most suspicious thing from all you've dug up so far.

20:19:30 mike_c: hehe

20:19:32 asciilifeform: why not 100%.

20:19:34 ozbot: "Money Launderer Until Proven Innocent" - Italy Imposes 20% Tax Withholding On All Inbound Money Tra

20:19:43 jurov: but it needs better source, it's based only on google translate

20:19:44 kakobrekla: why is it suspect

20:19:57 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because it matches other numbers

20:19:58 asciilifeform: what's the laffer curve for dekulakization anyway.

20:20:22 kakobrekla: ah you are trolling.

20:20:29 mircea_popescu: i r srs.

20:20:43 mike_c: that's an exclusive. nobody else haz that data

20:20:49 davout: greetings asseteers

20:20:54 kakobrekla: lol

20:21:13 mircea_popescu: heya davoutee

20:21:18 kakobrekla: mike_c exclusive is what asseteers are about, we exclude.

20:21:29 mike_c: except we publish the logs. gotta fix that.

20:21:37 kakobrekla: myea

20:22:28 mircea_popescu: nah, gotta keep publishing the logs to be just like the paris club or w/e.

20:23:08 kakobrekla: fuck the logs, carpe diem, sieze the day, miss it, fuck you.

20:23:57 mircea_popescu: In 1924, an American banker named Charles Dawes outlined what came to be known as the Dawes Plan ? a new reparations agreement under which U.S. banks such as J.P. Morgan issued bonds to private investors on behalf of Germany, which agreed to pay them back when the money became due. Dawes won the 1925 Nobel Peace Prize for his work on this plan. But when the first batch of bonds came due in 1928, Germany again default

20:23:57 mircea_popescu: ed. So in June 1929, a new plan was enacted, floating more U.S.-backed bonds and reducing Germany's payments to $28 billion paid out over 59 years.

20:24:09 r3wt: How do i join the WOT

20:24:17 mircea_popescu: totally worth a nobel prize for going "hey guise, wouldn't it be better if we ipo that shit ???"

20:24:19 r3wt: for ATC

20:24:23 mircea_popescu: r3wt hi there.

20:24:28 mircea_popescu: ;;help

20:24:41 jurov: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc

20:24:42 ozbot: Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki

20:25:03 jurov: ^ r3wt

20:25:06 mircea_popescu: that prolly better.

20:25:32 kakobrekla: and if that is too much you can noob it out with ;;google bitcoin otc youtube

20:25:34 kakobrekla: or some shit

20:25:34 r3wt: jurov: thank you much my friend

20:26:09 r3wt: i was invited to join the WOT, i had never heard of it before now

20:26:18 mircea_popescu: gotta be in the wot.

20:26:22 r3wt: i was told to come here

20:26:37 mircea_popescu: which nobel prize story inspires me. shouldn't we have a yearly prize of some sort for some thing ?

20:26:49 kakobrekla: you came to the right church.

20:26:57 mircea_popescu: the #bitcoin-assets economic prize of economy ?

20:27:00 Apocalyptic: r3wt, I hear some people are waiting 2 days, maybe even more for withdrawals from openex, what's wrong ?

20:27:33 davout: kakobrekla: mass is in french

20:27:52 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i think you would have hard time finding the nominees

20:28:12 asciilifeform: if people want to hand out prizes for whatever, nothing's stopping them?

20:28:27 r3wt: Nothings wrong. i registered the llc and some of the staff didn't want to abide by the legal requirements and left. i've been afk, so withdrawals tend to pile up with no one to confirm them

20:28:29 benkay: 14.5% on jd investments eh?

20:28:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kakobrekla no but hear me out :

20:28:35 r3wt: other than Dogecoin everything is good

20:28:56 mircea_popescu: we collect a pot by donation, whoever wants to contribute. then the pot is on a fixed date distributed to one recipient.

20:28:56 mike_c: benkay: yeah. not bad for 7 months.

20:29:06 r3wt: but i'm not saying its not my fault because it sort of all falls on me in the end

20:29:12 mircea_popescu: all we need is to agree on some gross criteria, then people construct a nominee list and all contributors vote on it

20:29:16 mircea_popescu: proportional to their contribution.

20:29:19 r3wt: just try to understand where i'm coming from if you can

20:29:19 mircea_popescu: open source nobel prize.

20:29:22 mike_c: wouldn't that recipient have already amassed quite a sum by doing whatever he won the prize for?

20:29:36 mike_c: we're not exactly acadmeics here

20:29:46 mircea_popescu: r3wt well being here works wonders to defuse such tension.

20:29:48 mike_c: hehe. academics

20:29:49 mircea_popescu: otherwise people get antsy

20:29:58 mircea_popescu: mike_c you say that like it's a bad thing.

20:30:00 r3wt: we do have something very cool in the works. i'm sure no one will see it coming either.

20:30:18 mike_c: i don't! point being that the prize would be dwarfed by the recipients already worthy rewards from winning in the marketplace.

20:30:28 mod6: are you from openex, r3wt?

20:30:42 r3wt: mod6: yes sir

20:30:48 mircea_popescu: this is supposed to work so as to humble the nobel idiocy, not necessarily as to make the recipient rich.

20:30:50 mod6: ahh ok. ima pm u.

20:30:55 r3wt: you can tell me why im here?

20:31:03 mircea_popescu: after all, someone winning the nobel prize for actual merit is already independently well paid anyway.

20:31:21 mircea_popescu: take obama, he's not rich because he melted down the peace gold medal, he's rich because he bleed dry a quarter billion idiots.

20:31:33 mike_c: and he writes good books

20:31:41 mircea_popescu: definitely.

20:31:57 mircea_popescu: i don't remember seeing such penmanship since britney spears bio

20:32:04 mircea_popescu: aptly titled "stakes"

20:32:17 Mats_cd03: merr

20:32:52 mircea_popescu: so looking in the deep of the deepest of your soul!! and such, what would be the criteria one'd actually meet you'd respect

20:32:57 mircea_popescu: for their economics contributions.

20:34:33 kakobrekla: if anyone can vote to according to their btc deposit weight then we can end up with completely different game where mp always wins.

20:34:48 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't deposit so much as to fuck things up

20:35:04 kakobrekla: how much is that much?

20:35:19 mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm definitely supporting this but more like a matching thing.

20:35:41 mircea_popescu: what's even reasonable ? less than a third i guess

20:35:43 jurov: what if someone makes 51% attack and takes the pot?

20:35:52 mircea_popescu: i'll just deposit moar and fuck them ?

20:35:56 kakobrekla: that is what i was saying

20:36:13 mircea_popescu: i think it's defensible tbh.

20:36:29 mircea_popescu: suppose you have to be in our wot to contribute.

20:36:44 mircea_popescu: w don't want any random tard's calls and notions anyway.

20:37:45 kakobrekla: given your confidence i could rob you of all your btc in that way if i gather > than you

20:38:21 mircea_popescu: well obviously we can't let this run as a dollar auction.

20:38:50 mircea_popescu: it has to be a gentleman thing.

20:39:02 mircea_popescu: which is kind-of the point of it in the first place anyway.

20:39:18 asciilifeform: prize for what, again?

20:39:21 kakobrekla: ok can you give me 5 possible candidates for this ? i cant think of two.

20:39:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "for outstanding contributions in the field of economics"

20:40:04 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i dunno, nick szabo.

20:40:05 Mats_cd03: lol...

20:40:17 mircea_popescu: just to pull out of my ass.

20:41:18 asciilifeform: is herr szabo in the wot?

20:41:18 mircea_popescu: there's hundreds to pick from, and none of them EVER make it on the libertard-run nobel rolls

20:41:28 mircea_popescu: because those are too busy giving the prize to retarded monkeys.

20:41:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the recipient wouldn't have to be in the wot,

20:41:48 mircea_popescu: the sponsors (ie, members of the academy) would have to be.

20:41:54 asciilifeform: you'd need an equally-reliable way to pin a public key on him

20:42:05 mircea_popescu: he can post an address on his blog.

20:42:08 asciilifeform: ('do business with keys' formula)

20:42:21 mircea_popescu: ;;google nick szabo gpg fingerprint

20:42:58 mircea_popescu: i guess not.

20:44:29 mircea_popescu: definitely herbi or mike_c could get one if they keep with their blogs.

20:44:33 asciilifeform: hundreds to pick from?

20:44:42 mircea_popescu: what's to keep them from it ? let the entire rest of the world learn what it has to do in the nwo.

20:44:48 mircea_popescu: drop all the rest, do this or perish.

20:44:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform defo.

20:44:58 mike_c: hehe. me and nick szabo. no contest, he hasn't done anything in years!

20:45:04 mircea_popescu: easy win right ?

20:45:11 mircea_popescu: plus you're buddy-buddy with the entire fucking academy.

20:45:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's that retard someone was recommending buying puts on the stock indexes for 10 years, showing like -5% on his hedge funds lol

20:45:52 mircea_popescu: i could see him on the nominees list.

20:46:09 asciilifeform: so we're doing both 'ignobel' and nobel?

20:46:17 mircea_popescu: nono, just, i wouldn't vote for him

20:46:23 mircea_popescu: but i can see how someone'd recommend him.

20:46:43 mircea_popescu: gotta have disagreement and scream at each other to end up with a good prize.

20:46:56 mircea_popescu: im just trying to export my boardroom into your lives over here. i tell you, it works!

20:47:50 asciilifeform: if we do it with some fancy multi-keyed crypto widget, it'll double as a tontine...

20:48:16 mircea_popescu: may be a good idea, tho i fear automated trust systems may be hijacked in the way kakobrekla describes.

20:48:48 mircea_popescu: a mechanical turk you can have, an automated gentleman you can't have.

20:48:58 asciilifeform: truly.

20:49:38 mircea_popescu: so srsly, no trolling, try and come up with a broad criteria. like a sentence or something, a paragraph.

20:50:03 asciilifeform: and then we do physics, chemistry... ?

20:50:13 mircea_popescu: cads herbi and whoever else this goes for you too, even if you're poor.

20:50:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe. i mean... you know, do whatever we want to do.

20:50:35 mircea_popescu: that's why godoshi has given us the concept of altcoins.

20:51:01 mircea_popescu: if ppls wanna do physics too we do physics too. with a focus on rocketry or w/e interests us.

20:51:31 mircea_popescu: the fact remains that whatever interests us is what matters in the world henceforth, and whatever interests whoever else, seven billion anon rats, is not worth a cigarette butt.

20:53:06 benkay: i nominate portland state aerospace society for their open source rocketry work

20:53:16 mircea_popescu: o hai.

20:53:32 mircea_popescu: if nothing else we'll at least get to find out about shit everyone else thought we knew about (tm)

20:53:36 mircea_popescu: such as for instance right now.

20:54:46 benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAnPtbYMA8o&list=PL9498DE35E817D50C&index=1

20:54:56 benkay: built a roll control unit, doing cool stuff with imus and measurements

20:54:58 ozbot: LV2.3 October 2010 IMU Data - YouTube

20:55:00 benkay: rocket is a hilarious hog

20:55:43 mircea_popescu: lol

20:56:22 benkay: basically built by ee's as a flight platform for their electronics

20:56:35 benkay: but its got some sweet mechanics too, you'll note that the fins spin independently of the rocket body

20:56:54 benkay: we reverse engineered that from other rockets controlled with canards

20:56:58 mircea_popescu: not bad

20:57:03 mircea_popescu: a you're part of it ?

20:57:05 benkay: cut, hardened and packed our own bearings

20:57:08 benkay: was at one point

20:57:50 benkay: it's a "student group" mostly made up of area professionals

20:57:58 benkay: big fucking bearings too

20:58:00 benkay: like

20:58:06 benkay: 6" id if i recall correctly?

20:58:16 mircea_popescu: wait on a rocket for fin control ?!

20:58:28 benkay: it prevents control inversion

20:58:43 mircea_popescu: how much do 6" hardened steel bearings weigh ?!

20:58:43 benkay: tiny small control surfaces at the top

20:58:55 benkay: har not a consideration for this hog

20:59:25 benkay: and the bearings themselves are actually pretty small - they're just races attached to the frame

21:00:07 benkay: anyways, it's required because you have these tiny little control surfaces that swivel around up at the top of the body

21:00:42 mircea_popescu: aha

21:00:49 benkay: they induce airflow in a helix around the body, which when it impacts the giant stablization foils at the bottom

21:01:07 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, it occurs to me that bitcoin makes th ebest fucking prizes you can give :

21:01:09 benkay: on the first run this lead to an inversion of control, and eventually just crazy roll rates

21:01:15 mircea_popescu: the longer you go w/o spending it, the more your prize turns out to be.

21:01:36 benkay: then we decoupled the fins from exerting torque on the rocket body

21:01:39 benkay: problem solved

21:01:44 benkay: now the fins spin, and the rocket goes straight!

21:01:53 mircea_popescu: pretty cool idea.

21:02:00 benkay: at which point i was sucked off the rocket team and into the quadrotor team

21:02:10 benkay: carbon fiber airframe design!

21:02:51 mircea_popescu: 3d printer rocket battery.

21:03:01 benkay: i designed a regen motor for printing

21:03:04 mircea_popescu: now that's a fucking nightmare.

21:03:08 benkay: too scared to ever test it

21:03:15 benkay: but ah hang on

21:05:04 benkay: ha yes

21:05:05 benkay: http://rocketmoonlighting.blogspot.co.nz/

21:05:21 benkay: this gentleman chose gox/propane

21:05:45 benkay: not your best ISP, but definitely your best bet on fuel choices that aren't lethal without millions of USD in support staff and infrastructure.

21:06:11 benkay: defo my mistake in designing my regen motor: going for Isp and not testability.

21:06:54 mircea_popescu: you mean Isp ? impulse ?

21:07:02 benkay: specific impulse, yes

21:07:22 mircea_popescu: yeah that'd be a strategic mistake.

21:07:26 mircea_popescu: you need management :D

21:07:33 benkay: i have learned this

21:07:48 benkay: i now have some

21:07:55 mircea_popescu: mazel tov

21:10:30 r3wt: gribble;;

21:10:34 r3wt: ;;gribble

21:11:12 r3wt: ;;gribble register

21:11:31 mircea_popescu: ;;register

21:12:11 r3wt: ;;register

21:12:44 pankkake: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Main_Page

21:12:48 ozbot: bitcoin-otc wiki

21:13:32 r3wt: hey gribble i want to register but don't want to use GPG

21:14:01 pankkake: r3wt: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Bitcoin_address_authentication

21:16:20 pankkake: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_Identity_Protocol wow this is awesome

21:16:22 ozbot: GPG Identity Protocol - bitcoin-otc wiki

21:17:01 punkman: pankkake: related, https://keybase.io/

21:17:59 mircea_popescu: pankkake it is.

21:18:29 pankkake: punkman: well the idea is interesting, but seems to rely on their website. also node.js :(

21:18:51 pankkake: meanwhile namecoin actually allows you to do this: https://nameid.org/?name=pankkake

21:18:56 mircea_popescu: yeah, the idea is not interesting.

21:19:08 mircea_popescu: "let us inject our stupid website spuriously" is not much of an ide.a

21:19:17 punkman: pankkake: I don't like that part either

21:19:23 punkman: but we can fix that

21:19:52 mircea_popescu: punkman you running it ?

21:20:15 punkman: I have nothing to do with it

21:20:49 pankkake: anyway, this gpg identity thing allows me to do what I've always wanted to do, a secure way to link profile together

21:20:49 mircea_popescu: a ok

21:20:56 TomServo: ...YEAH 1 SEC, MINING ALTC0INS BY HAND

21:20:57 TomServo: ✓ signed by maria

21:20:59 TomServo: ha

21:21:03 r3wt: ;;bcregister r3wt 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875

21:21:22 pankkake: nice address

21:21:31 mircea_popescu: not bad.

21:22:27 mircea_popescu: r3wt another thing you may consider is registering with nickserv. if your name is important to you.

21:22:39 r3wt: ;;bcregister HIshZU1IeW5WrBqteNtqDEHN1P9cbAgcjUQLv5QAfx7retsTPh6tVjQC3LL4UOE0th2/PP/4xPM9eoR5Mf1c2lA=

21:22:51 r3wt: ;;bcverify HIshZU1IeW5WrBqteNtqDEHN1P9cbAgcjUQLv5QAfx7retsTPh6tVjQC3LL4UOE0th2/PP/4xPM9eoR5Mf1c2lA=

21:23:34 r3wt: ok, it says registration successful. so i'm in?

21:23:49 mircea_popescu: yup

21:24:06 r3wt: hmm, i think i forgot the irc commands

21:24:18 r3wt: ./msg NICKSERV IDENT

21:24:20 r3wt: right?

21:24:22 davout: pankkake: the address is not really impressive, having the firstbits would be

21:24:37 mircea_popescu: something like that.

21:24:39 TomServo: r3wt: register and then ident, iirc

21:24:41 r3wt: in my dreams

21:24:48 davout: r3wt: isn't it /msg nickserv identify <pass>

21:24:49 r3wt: i'm already ident though

21:25:11 r3wt: says i'm already logged in as r3wt

21:25:11 mircea_popescu: davout when did firstbits become a thing ?

21:25:29 r3wt: they've always been a thing for superfags

21:25:43 mircea_popescu: i can't see how it's anything but a stupid idea.

21:25:54 mircea_popescu: perhaps a benign novelty of no use at the best.

21:26:04 davout: they're like vanity plates

21:26:16 davout: not useful, but nice gadgets

21:26:22 WillTablet: TomServo: how's that working for you?

21:26:31 WillTablet: (Mining altcoins)

21:26:53 TomServo: WillTablet: it was a paste from the keybase.io page

21:27:39 r3wt: i'm in the WOT now yes?

21:27:43 mircea_popescu: TomServo is that the maria ?

21:27:46 mircea_popescu: r3wt yes.

21:28:03 TomServo: mircea_popescu: Yep

21:28:06 mod6: weird, no keyid or fp though?

21:28:11 mircea_popescu: seems apropriate.

21:28:20 mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=r3wt

21:28:22 r3wt: what is the WOT exactly? some type of bitcoin cult?

21:28:28 jurov: hahahahaha

21:28:32 ozbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data

21:28:46 jurov: ;;gettrust r3wt

21:29:10 jurov: r3wt ask your users to rate you

21:29:19 mircea_popescu: r3wt pretty much, yes.

21:29:25 r3wt: so i just say, go rate my otc profile?

21:29:27 mike_c: hmm, better process withdrawals first

21:29:36 Apocalyptic: ^

21:29:50 r3wt: already done.

21:29:55 mircea_popescu: r3wt https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871 < there, it's explained.

21:30:08 jurov: and maybe some day someone whom i trust will rate you too, so i'll know we can do business

21:30:09 mircea_popescu: its a tool to allow you (and us) to evaluate the credibility of agents.

21:30:13 r3wt: only one withdrawals sitting on the books, and it can't be processed yet. waiting on doge.

21:30:14 jurov: or not

21:31:08 r3wt: there is no trust in business. only money and contracts

21:31:17 mircea_popescu: yes. this would be the contracts part.

21:33:01 r3wt: jurov: you should never trust me in the first place.

21:33:12 Apocalyptic: r3wt, i know of at least 3 different people waiting on withdrawals

21:33:45 jurov: r3wt to put *coins into your thing some rudimentary trust is necessary

21:34:09 r3wt: Apocalyptic: are they foreighn? alot of times foreign people put their username or wrong addresses on withdrawals and they just bounce back into their account

21:34:43 jurov: lmao you don't log when someone inputs malformed address?

21:34:53 skinnkavaj: vc

21:34:53 punkman: damn foreigners!

21:35:00 Apocalyptic: heh

21:35:36 davout: some trust is also required for business, at least that the other the party will hold up to their part

21:35:37 r3wt: @jurov: yes its logged, but only from the queue. if people wanna be clowns then they can pay the price

21:36:14 r3wt: for whatever reason, i haven't been able to get validate address to work correctly.

21:36:31 r3wt: maybe its just php, i'm not sure. hopefully it works better in LUA

21:37:08 davout: r3wt: you have trouble validating bitcoin addresses?

21:37:13 jurov: i think now i know everything i need about you

21:37:16 mircea_popescu: you mean the checksum ?

21:37:37 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=9838.0 ?

21:37:40 ozbot: javascript address validation? 0.2 BTC bounty (bounty paid)

21:38:29 mircea_popescu: people apparently paid 0.2 btc bounties in may 2011.

21:39:16 mod6: r3wt: thanks for sending. all is good now!

21:39:22 r3wt: no prob

21:40:31 r3wt: @dav, yeah probably something i overlooked. when i print the returned info its fine,b ut when i try to use if($row["isvalid"]) === "false") it fails

21:41:14 r3wt: so probably something i just need to go back to the drawing board on, but i'm not really interested in working on the php version anymore. there is literally no point in doing so

21:41:24 r3wt: anything i change now will be temporary

21:41:26 davout: r3wt: i know nothing of your code, but aren't you trying to test strict equality with a string when the value is a boolean?

21:41:39 mircea_popescu: seems like it

21:41:40 mircea_popescu: try ==

21:42:00 r3wt: i tried == to i believe.

21:42:06 davout: why not if($row["isvalid"])

21:42:14 davout: if it's a boolean that should be enough

21:42:16 mircea_popescu: you mean ! ?

21:42:17 r3wt: because it will return the trow anyway?

21:42:30 r3wt: when you rpc call it returns an array

21:42:51 mircea_popescu: r3wt is this thing you're using documented anywhere ?

21:43:06 davout: r3wt: using bitcoind right?

21:43:30 mircea_popescu: bitcoind in php ?

21:43:43 davout: mircea_popescu: why not?

21:43:55 mircea_popescu: uh

21:43:59 davout: just tried it, it returns a bool

21:44:01 mircea_popescu: no reason i guess.

21:44:08 kakobrekla: its not "false" but false

21:44:19 davout: so drop the whole equality test and i assume it should work

21:44:25 r3wt: http://pastebin.com/NqHHnKtg

21:44:25 mircea_popescu: with a !

21:44:36 davout: mircea_popescu: oh yes

21:44:46 ozbot: [PHP] function isValidAddress($idtw,$address) { $wallet = new Wallet($idtw); - Pastebin.co

21:44:47 r3wt: no, we wrote custom wallet wrapper/object with modified bitcoinrpcphp

21:44:54 mircea_popescu: they see me sayin', they ignorin'.

21:45:12 davout: r3wt: so your wrapper converts a nice boolean into a cumbersome string?

21:45:19 davout: mircea_popescu: lol

21:45:28 benkay: i love the javascript "no, really: are these things equal or not?" ===

21:45:37 benkay: javascript: equality?!?!

21:45:54 pankkake: php has the same

21:45:58 r3wt: lol, no you seem to misunderstand

21:46:24 davout: if everyone misunderstands i guess it cancels everyone out

21:46:25 r3wt: https://github.com/r3wt/openex/blob/master/models/class.wallet.php

21:47:05 r3wt: the files are out of date, but thats basically the class/wrapper

21:47:49 davout: r3wt: looks to me like the JSON is simply parsed so you should end up with a bool from validateaddress, no.

21:47:50 davout: ?

21:48:34 mike_c: so you don't all think JD is just crapping money: ROI from july -> november = 0% all the gains have been since then.

21:48:36 r3wt: no it just returns the array.

21:48:45 r3wt: as far as i'm aware.

21:49:02 r3wt: you could be right and i'm just a dumbass overcomplicating things. i'll try your way and see.

21:49:08 benkay: pankkake: the same craaaaaazy equality operations?

21:49:31 pankkake: yeah, really horrible behaviors

21:49:54 davout: r3wt: if it parses the json it returns a hash, or a dictionary, whatever you call it in PHP, with the "isvalid" key pointing to a bool

21:50:03 davout: r3wt: test it out i guess

21:50:07 kakobrekla: >if($row["isvalid"]) === "false")

21:50:12 kakobrekla: "false" is not a bool

21:50:17 kakobrekla: did ya fix dat noobery

21:50:41 mike_c: which noobery? using php?

21:50:57 kakobrekla: he pasted that line here

21:51:08 mike_c: sorry, just had to get a php crack in there

21:51:17 davout: dear god, please let this not degenerate into a language fight

21:51:23 davout: :)

21:51:24 mod6: flame flame

21:51:30 mike_c: i held my tongue for like a whole page

21:51:37 davout: OH FUCK IT, IT'S ON

21:51:54 mike_c: rabble rabble PYTHON rabble rabble

21:52:19 r3wt: you can have your jabs now. in a few weeks you will have a mouth of crow

21:52:30 benkay: now now

21:52:42 benkay: make something useful out of php and nobody bats an eye

21:52:43 r3wt: HINT HINT: We rewrote the exchange in something special

21:52:45 kakobrekla: yeah but you got the crow now

21:52:55 davout: r3wt: in lisp?

21:52:56 benkay: Lua you said?

21:52:57 Apocalyptic: can't wait

21:53:02 r3wt: yep LUA

21:53:04 jcpham: rabble rabble

21:53:17 Apocalyptic: does LUA have the === operator ?

21:53:21 r3wt: actually not even lua really, just some home brewery with lua

21:53:24 benkay: no seriously, is it equal?

21:53:31 r3wt: just use ~=

21:53:32 Apocalyptic: just wondering

21:53:39 r3wt: !=

21:53:45 r3wt: so in lua its

21:53:47 davout: Apocalyptic: maybe it has the NOT_EXACTLY_SURE_WHAT_I_M_DOING operator

21:53:47 r3wt: ~=

21:53:52 mike_c: and the ever famous !==

21:53:59 r3wt: lol

21:54:03 davout: =~ is actually awesome

21:54:05 jurov: don't forget <>

21:54:06 mircea_popescu: import languages.

21:54:11 davout: lol

21:54:14 kakobrekla: benkay php is like real world, some are more equal than others.

21:54:22 Apocalyptic: r3wt, you should rewrite it in bitcoin script

21:54:25 davout: kakobrekla: lmao

21:54:25 Apocalyptic: now that would be a challenge

21:54:58 Apocalyptic: OP_CHECK_BALANCE OP_MAIL OP_WITHDRAW

21:54:59 pankkake: =~ is for using regular expressions?

21:55:00 mircea_popescu: i like the >=< operator.

21:55:08 mircea_popescu: kinda covers everything

21:55:24 davout: pankkake: yeah, checks for regexp match

21:55:35 mircea_popescu: which kind ?

21:55:43 davout: mircea_popescu: the infamous "figure-it-out-yourself" operator

21:55:49 pankkake: and I suppose you can use it for replacements too. that's one of the things I miss in Python, direct regexp access

21:56:00 mircea_popescu: uh python does not have regexp ?!

21:56:00 davout: pankkake: i don't think you can

21:56:19 jcpham: MPEX FAQ #42: Figure it out yourself.

21:56:22 r3wt: ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one

21:56:26 pankkake: mircea_popescu: it does. but it's just a module, there's no quick access operator

21:56:32 mike_c: re.sub("php", "bugridden")

21:56:46 davout: r3wt: yeah, pretty much what i was yelling at you :-)

21:57:06 r3wt: nope, still didn't fix it

21:57:09 kakobrekla: no he is aksing if a fuction is a string "false"

21:57:21 Apocalyptic: *if a function returns

21:57:26 kakobrekla: ye

21:57:32 kakobrekla: lets broke it

21:58:03 r3wt: i was asking if a string in an array was false within the original function, then i was asking if the function was a boolean

21:58:06 r3wt: so get it right

21:58:15 r3wt: was the string false**

21:58:28 mircea_popescu: <r3wt> ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one << pretty good this.

21:58:46 kakobrekla: double false.

21:58:50 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, indeed

21:59:05 kakobrekla: i guess that makes it true

21:59:13 mircea_popescu: r3wt so i guess now you have the answer : wot is the church of bitcoin miracles.

21:59:15 mircea_popescu: it fixes your code.

21:59:27 davout: "if($row["isvalid"]) === "false")" <<< array, where?

21:59:44 r3wt: mircea_popescu: if anything its a good place to learn

22:00:01 kakobrekla: is the array containing string "false" ??

22:00:19 r3wt: yes, the row in the array will say "true" or "false"

22:00:27 r3wt: depending on if the address is valid or not

22:00:36 kakobrekla: but (i hope) its a bool ??

22:00:36 Apocalyptic: davout, in PHP a dictionary is an array

22:00:45 Apocalyptic: that's one of the beauties

22:00:52 davout: Apocalyptic: lol, why don't they call things by their names

22:01:07 Apocalyptic: "An array in PHP is actually an ordered map. A map is a type that associates values to keys. This type is optimized for several different uses; it can be treated as an array, list (vector), hash table (an implementation of a map), dictionary, collection, stack, queue, and probably more"

22:01:23 davout: "and probably more" <<< lmao

22:01:23 mircea_popescu: i like the "probably more" part.

22:01:24 Apocalyptic: cause you know, it's tedious to call things right

22:01:29 mircea_popescu: should be a php operator this.

22:01:29 Apocalyptic: haha mircea

22:01:32 mircea_popescu: >~

22:01:33 pankkake: it's worse. lists and dictionnaries are both arrays

22:01:34 mod6: things can be other things

22:01:54 Apocalyptic: yeah pankkake, everything is an array !

22:01:57 mircea_popescu: mod6 like urmom!

22:01:59 r3wt: the adults are talking

22:02:02 mod6: haha

22:02:03 pankkake: and thus, if you export to json, empty "arrays" can end up as lists when you wanted dicts

22:02:04 mike_c: i like how it is "optimized" for all those things

22:02:18 mircea_popescu: pankkake THAT'S OK MAKE EVERYTHING IN JSON A STRING

22:02:18 kakobrekla: ' == false ' < - comparing bool, ' == "false" ' <- comparing string

22:02:27 pankkake: lol

22:02:33 r3wt: yea i know the difference lol

22:02:40 davout: mircea_popescu there you go, PHP is the perfect randomness generator

22:02:46 kakobrekla: dafuq you comparing a string then for

22:02:49 pankkake: I remember once when I had to do a replace of '[]' by '{}', to fix the php json export

22:02:57 mircea_popescu: davout only for applications where it's not useful.

22:03:00 r3wt: because json rpc returns an array, not a boolean

22:03:11 mircea_popescu: is a boolean an array ?

22:03:16 r3wt: the class is the wrapper

22:03:18 mircea_popescu: it should be i reckon

22:03:20 kakobrekla: array can be anything

22:03:20 Apocalyptic: lemme check

22:03:28 r3wt: oh my god

22:03:42 r3wt: array("somekey" => "somevalue");

22:03:55 davout: mircea_popescu: guess you have a point

22:04:05 mircea_popescu: if $row["hello"] ~= "false[$world]"

22:04:17 mircea_popescu: waitno

22:04:20 r3wt: how can you have a boolean in an array?

22:04:26 mircea_popescu: worldends.jpg

22:04:27 davout: derp

22:04:36 r3wt: it would be a string right? or i'm just stupid?

22:04:37 pankkake: also sometimes, php dicts are forced into lists, if you have only numeric keys or something

22:04:37 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, $ php -r "var_dump(is_array(false));"

22:04:37 Apocalyptic: bool(false)

22:04:38 mircea_popescu: r3wt by making it a double.

22:04:39 kakobrekla: like $array['key'] = false

22:04:46 mircea_popescu: then all the bits in it are boolean.

22:04:47 davout: r3wt: why would it have to be a string??

22:05:00 r3wt: the array returns a string?

22:05:04 mircea_popescu: speaking of "all the bits in it" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68GeL8PafE

22:05:09 kakobrekla: do a var_dump($array)

22:05:13 kakobrekla: see what is what

22:05:25 Apocalyptic: r3wt, the array returns crazy things

22:05:30 Apocalyptic: be carefull with those

22:05:30 r3wt: ./altcoind validateaddress alfdjkaslflakdfja { "isvalid" : false }

22:05:42 r3wt: damn, it does return a bollean. you smart mofo

22:05:59 davout: it does, doesn't it

22:06:10 kakobrekla: i told you 356 lineas ago

22:06:12 davout: drop your equality test and keep the if

22:06:15 davout: kakobrekla: no, me

22:06:28 kakobrekla: fuck you ill edit logs

22:06:32 davout: LOL

22:06:39 davout: i yield

22:06:59 r3wt: $address = mysql_real_escape_string(strip_tags($_POST["recipient"])); $wallet = new Wallet($idtw); $validity = $wallet->validate($address); if($validity == false) { $errors[] = "Not a valid address"; $error = true; }

22:06:59 mircea_popescu: lmao

22:07:00 davout: r3wt: listen to what kako said goddommot

22:07:26 mircea_popescu: i can hear the collective multifacepalms of log reader ppl already.

22:07:40 mircea_popescu: hello multifacepalming logreader people. your facepalms have been foretold.

22:07:41 mike_c: seriously... if (!$validity)

22:08:11 davout: then it has to be $validity = $wallet->validate($address)["isvalid"]

22:08:24 Apocalyptic: you can't do that in PHP

22:08:35 mircea_popescu: php does not allow things.

22:08:48 Jere_Jones: 5.4 does

22:08:57 davout: Apocalyptic: yeah, sorry, i guess i'm used to my language being insecure, not dumb

22:09:04 pankkake: hahaha

22:09:08 mircea_popescu: davout dumb is secure.

22:09:17 mike_c: please don't call php secure

22:09:18 mircea_popescu: to prove this : consider cheating wives. the dumb ones don't.

22:09:19 mircea_popescu: qed.

22:09:29 pankkake: simple is secure, not dumb

22:09:34 davout: pankkake: word

22:09:42 mircea_popescu: simple is doumbly secure.

22:10:17 davout: PHP burns my eyes

22:10:29 Apocalyptic: so does Perl

22:10:37 mircea_popescu: mike_c what's so insecure about php anyway. it securely failed the === "orly" test

22:11:29 mod6: na, perl?!

22:12:00 kakobrekla: <?php print('so basically you are unable to read this davout?'); ?>

22:12:33 davout: kakobrekla: not too long, my eyes are only partly melted

22:12:36 mircea_popescu: is there some system call construct in php ?

22:12:39 mod6: haha

22:12:53 mike_c: mircea_popescu: here's one reason: "PHP is built to keep chugging along at all costs."

22:12:54 mircea_popescu: run("hello i am running strings on your stack");

22:12:58 mike_c: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/#philosophy

22:13:14 mircea_popescu: mike_c that's not automatically insecure.

22:13:16 ozbot: PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad

22:13:22 Apocalyptic: kako, real PHPers use echo instead of print

22:13:37 mike_c: you don't see other languages accidentally crapping the source code all over the web when something goes wrong

22:14:05 davout: "PHP takes vast amounts of inspiration from other languages, yet still manages to be incomprehensible to anyone who knows those languages." <<< truth

22:14:06 mike_c: it's not automatically insecure, it just tends that way. which is bad.

22:14:17 mircea_popescu: well sure.

22:14:28 Apocalyptic: http://phpsadness.com/sad/1

22:14:32 mircea_popescu: i still don't believe there's anything that even comes close to php for as long as what you're doing is basically... a blog.

22:14:42 davout: thank god nobody relies on a programming language for actual security

22:14:44 mircea_popescu: or w/e, a digital scrapbook for the information superhighway

22:14:52 ozbot: Unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM - PHP Sadness

22:14:54 mike_c: but he is not building a blog, he is building an exchange

22:15:06 mircea_popescu: this is what he thinks.

22:15:14 kakobrekla: Apocalyptic fortunatley being real phpers is not something to brag about

22:15:15 mircea_popescu: imagination has no impact on realitah still.

22:15:21 Apocalyptic: true

22:15:29 kakobrekla: echo that motherfucker.

22:15:57 peterl: who is building an exchange in php?

22:16:15 mike_c: r3wt. but don't worry, he's converting it to a custom lua engine

22:16:38 mircea_popescu: wasn't lua supposed to be a scripting language ?

22:17:03 mike_c: it is. but node.js says that don't matter. you can build with anything.

22:17:48 mircea_popescu:

22:17:49 mircea_popescu: Weak typing (i.e., silent automatic conversion between strings/numbers/et al) is so complex that whatever minor programmer effort is saved is by no means worth it.

22:17:52 mircea_popescu: see, this i will dispute.

22:18:05 mike_c: hah. please do.

22:18:06 r3wt: php is shit. i will always like it because its my first thing i learned but even i can realize the problems it has

22:18:09 mircea_popescu: 10mn people wrote === false code that worked.

22:18:30 mircea_popescu: that's like 100k man-hours.

22:18:41 mircea_popescu: the time thus spent resulted in at least 3k babies,

22:18:43 davout: if (x === true) { return true; }

22:18:47 mircea_popescu: out of which there were maybe even 2 actual programmers.

22:18:48 jurov: 100k manboobs

22:18:59 mircea_popescu: now show me any other language which actually MAKES programmers.

22:19:13 pankkake: http://phpsadness.com/sad/1 => blame the jews

22:19:17 davout: sorry if (x === true) { return true; } else { return false; } <<< i've actually seen this

22:19:23 ozbot: Unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM - PHP Sadness

22:19:24 Namworld: === in PHP? What the heck does that do? Can't recall ever using 3 =

22:19:40 mike_c: it means "equal in type and value"

22:19:56 mike_c: double equal means "almost everything is equal"

22:20:01 davout: how the fuck could it have the same value if it's not the same type

22:20:06 mike_c: seriously

22:20:27 mircea_popescu: == is useless.

22:20:27 mircea_popescu:

22:20:27 mircea_popescu: It?s not transitive. "foo" == TRUE, and

22:20:27 mircea_popescu: "foo" == 0? but, of course,

22:20:27 mircea_popescu: TRUE != 0.

22:20:30 mircea_popescu: ahahaha this is some epic shit

22:20:42 kakobrekla: ok so:

22:20:42 kakobrekla: 2

22:20:45 kakobrekla: what did i just type

22:20:47 davout: ==> "is this cube equal to this sphere?" sure, they're both made of wood!

22:20:56 kakobrekla: is it int or str

22:21:04 mike_c: int. no quotes.

22:21:17 davout: PHP looks like the language of choice for quantum physics

22:21:24 davout: "not sure, maybe we'll see at runtime"

22:21:25 mircea_popescu: so according to php is "1" = 1 evaluated to 1, 0 or what ?

22:21:30 kakobrekla: but i typed a str

22:21:30 Apocalyptic: <davout> ==> "is this cube equal to this sphere?" sure, they're both made of wood! // sure, because maleability

22:21:53 mike_c: wait, isn't mtgox written in php? case closed.

22:22:20 blg: mtgox also uses tcp/ip case closed

22:22:20 mircea_popescu: == converts to numbers when possible ( 123 == "123foo"? although "123" != "123foo"), which means it converts to floats when possible. So large hex strings (like, say, password hashes) may occasionally compare true when they?re not. Even JavaScript doesn?t do this.

22:22:20 KRS-One: qbasic?

22:22:21 davout: mike_c: no, because frameworks

22:22:23 mircea_popescu: this is so great.

22:22:46 mike_c: yes, drupal will save us

22:22:55 davout: also midas

22:23:11 mircea_popescu: For the same reason, "6" == " 6", "4.2" == "4.20", and "133" == "0133". But note that 133 != 0133, because 0133 is octal. But "0x10" == "16" and "1e3" == "1000"!

22:23:37 davout: i don't want to live on this internet anymore

22:23:42 mike_c: kako, defend that. "133" == "0133"

22:24:07 kakobrekla: same amt of btc.

22:24:15 mike_c: lol. true.

22:24:22 mircea_popescu: Amen to the cavalier attitude. You know about PHP's Javascript-esque === operator? (that's the one with three equals signs). That got designed on the spot in an IRC session with Zeev and some other devs. Because I actually had to explain to these folks what the concept of "object identity" was, i.e. what lisp does with 'eq', python does with 'is', and Javascript does with ===. Yes, because PHP's is different. Not only

22:24:22 mircea_popescu: does === fail to do object identity testing, it's simply '==', does all the "deep comparison" of ==, but also bothers to compare the type.

22:24:25 mircea_popescu: http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=204433&cid=16703529

22:24:29 ozbot: PHP 5.2.0 Released - Slashdot

22:25:33 mircea_popescu: In other words, I was unsuccessful in explaining this rather basic concept. They got it blisteringly wrong, and hacked this wrongness into the language for all time. I attempted to explain (much more patiently than here) that no, this is not what === is supposed to do, but I wasn't heard. Not by Zeev, not by anyone else on channel. No one got it at all.

22:25:33 mircea_popescu: I passionately hated PHP for a long time after that, but it's just not relevant enough to my work anymore to hate.

22:26:44 r3wt: so i should be learning python and lisp or what?

22:26:50 mike_c: sounds like a kindred spirit doesn't he mp?

22:26:53 peterl: python is great

22:27:38 mircea_popescu: mike_c it was an enjoying read. i am a sadist :D

22:27:53 davout: r3wt: tbh i think what matters most isn't the language, is to strive to understand exactly what's hapenning

22:28:25 r3wt: that is a tough task for me. i find myself doing alot of reading and then some trial and error

22:28:26 davout: but wanting away from PHP sounds like a sane thing if you're going to be programming moar

22:28:52 mircea_popescu: learning more languages never heart anyone, be they computer or natural.

22:28:54 r3wt: well this is my first project but i can already see that i do not want to do php forever.

22:29:08 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, absent any effort for deep understanding of meaning and grammar, no actual language learning takes place.

22:29:09 davout: r3wt: what makes a language hard to me is the lack of internal consistency it can have

22:29:59 pankkake: my innefiencies with php was mostly… looking up the order of function arguments, as they were so inconsistent

22:30:18 Apocalyptic: ^

22:30:53 mircea_popescu: pankkake i was just reading that

22:31:05 mircea_popescu: http://phpsadness.com/sad/9

22:31:05 ozbot: Order of arguments (array/string search) - PHP Sadness

22:31:36 pankkake: "implode() can, for historical reasons, accept its parameters in either order"

22:32:02 r3wt: yeah, php is an odd language im not sure why i learned it other than there is just alot of info on it out there and it seemed easy for me to learn

22:32:03 mircea_popescu: lol historical reasons

22:32:27 Apocalyptic: pankkake, now that's insane

22:32:46 davout: also easiest to get started with

22:33:15 davout: procedural is easiest to comprehend

22:33:23 mircea_popescu: so TIL that bitcoinaverage uses a ton of fictitious volume from crap like bitfines.

22:33:26 mircea_popescu: bitfinex

22:33:29 mircea_popescu: "volume_btc": 17716.99,

22:33:42 mircea_popescu: how the fuck is one to trust an avg which includes > 25% pure unadulterated crud.

22:33:51 mircea_popescu: herpderp we've taken out mtgox, but we count bitfinex.

22:33:55 pankkake: r3wt: an advice for your current php code is not to use mysql escapes directly, but use http://php.net/PDO especially prepared statements. that way, you have less chance to forget an escape

22:34:13 davout: working out at bitfitness, bitches don't know bout my volume

22:34:23 mircea_popescu: 23293.31 from bitstamp, 17237.53 from btc-e, basically this is a joke.

22:34:31 mircea_popescu: there's officially no bitcoin average price signal out there.

22:34:55 mircea_popescu: "volume_percent": 30.15

22:34:57 mircea_popescu: gimme a break.

22:36:15 mircea_popescu: theres' ANX.HK Justcoin and a bunch of other crap with < 10 btc volume

22:36:19 mircea_popescu: why would anyone include this.

22:36:25 r3wt: pankkake: should i waste my time with that or should i continue writing ssl sockets for LUA?

22:36:32 peterl: mircea_popescu: could you publish your own average bitcoin price?

22:36:39 ThickAsThieves: my openex withdrawals are done, the delay was partially due to Chrome autofilling my username into the address field

22:36:44 mircea_popescu: peterl i could. and then my own bitcoin and my own planet

22:36:51 mircea_popescu: seems to be exactly counter to what im trying to do tho

22:36:58 Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, it's ok you are a foreigner

22:37:00 pankkake: r3wt: just keep in mind if you write more php. almost all other languages have libs in the style of PHP PDO

22:37:04 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know that's pretty serious an issue.

22:37:18 nicknock_: mp: whats wrong about bfx?

22:37:25 r3wt: btw, openex lua is done man, it is a complete rethink. i would have a few days of moving/converting the db to the new structure but it is basically all done except for sockets and the migration of the db structure

22:37:26 FabianB_: coindesks bitcoin price index might be an option, but with only stamp and btce it's a joke too

22:37:29 pankkake: autofill is evil

22:37:34 mircea_popescu: nicknock_ see mpoe-pr's scamthread

22:37:36 peterl: don't most exchanges publish volumes and prices, shouldn't getting an average be pretty easy?

22:37:46 mircea_popescu: omg they have localbitcoins

22:37:58 mircea_popescu: so basically i can just put the price anywhere by reporting trades on localbitcoins

22:38:05 Apocalyptic: ^

22:38:10 mircea_popescu: "Rock Trading"

22:38:18 mircea_popescu: wait, that's still in business ? didn't it turn scam a while back ?

22:38:48 mircea_popescu: Vircurex doing an epic 2.13 btc

22:38:58 davout: mircea_popescu: you'd be paying them fees for this

22:39:08 davout: not saying it wouldn't be possible tho

22:39:35 mircea_popescu: davout i pay localbitcoins a fee to trade locally ?

22:39:38 mircea_popescu: how does that work lmao

22:39:45 Apocalyptic: yes mircea you do

22:39:45 Apocalyptic: 1%

22:39:48 davout: i don't, know, isn't that their business model?

22:39:59 mircea_popescu: i have no idea they even had a business model.

22:40:14 mircea_popescu: basically it's a site to meet federal agents posing as people who are trying to buy bitcoins to pay for stolen cards, rite ?

22:40:19 davout: check-out this faggotry, visit the link bitcoincentral.com

22:40:54 kakobrekla: i was expecting kraken

22:40:59 davout: kakobrekla: lol

22:41:07 mircea_popescu: kraken is doing like 40 btc total.

22:41:29 kakobrekla: they also squated that much worth of domains

22:41:37 davout: somehow, two minutes after i tell lb owner about it my ip gets blocked, and the domain only works from my cell disconnected from wifi

22:41:45 mircea_popescu: who was arguing for the good idea=ness of using dead brands ?

22:42:00 mircea_popescu: there you go person : someone resurected the kraken harnett & co shat all over in 2012.

22:42:05 mircea_popescu: apparently it wasn't SUCH a good idea.

22:42:22 mircea_popescu: davout about what ?

22:42:42 davout: what about what?

22:42:52 mircea_popescu: "owner about it my ip"

22:42:54 ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> hello multifacepalming logreader people. your facepalms have been foretold. /// as a mostly not programmer this aint so bad so far!

22:43:16 mircea_popescu: <php echo "okthen ThickAsThieves;">

22:43:50 davout: mircea_popescu: i told the owner, the kangasbros guy that bitcoincentral.com redirected to localbitcoins.com, a minutes after it gives me a blank page and starts working again as soon as i change IP

22:45:00 benkay: davout o.0

22:45:14 mircea_popescu: i may be in my slow mode, but i dont follow teh implicashionz.

22:45:16 mircea_popescu: why are you redirecting to him or what ?

22:45:24 davout: it's not mah domain

22:45:29 davout: mine is with a dash

22:45:35 davout: bticoin-central.net/com

22:45:44 benkay: that's a good squat

22:45:45 mircea_popescu: o o o so he's squatting is what you mean

22:45:46 mircea_popescu: lolzy

22:45:57 benkay: what's better is his response to davout saying "hey squatter"

22:46:01 mircea_popescu: hahaha businessmen of egypt class of 2004

22:46:16 davout: benkay: denies at the same time, anyway

22:46:48 mircea_popescu: i suppose this is what is meant by the beetleman metaphore.

22:46:58 mircea_popescu: people with very flat profiles pushing very determinedly.

22:47:42 mircea_popescu: jurov here's the funny math on the topic : he could identify davout in his logs.

22:47:47 mircea_popescu: guess how much traffic he gets

22:47:58 benkay: sad trombone

22:48:00 mircea_popescu: to defray his $10 a year "investment" in "internet" "business"

22:50:36 mircea_popescu: It?s not even consistent: NULL < -1, and

22:50:36 mircea_popescu: NULL == 0. Sorting is thus

22:50:36 mircea_popescu: nondeterministic; it depends on the order in which the sort algorithm happens to compare elements.

22:50:38 mircea_popescu: aahahaa what

22:50:56 mircea_popescu: null srsly < -1 ?

22:51:05 davout: SQL?

22:51:12 mircea_popescu: php

22:51:19 mircea_popescu: what, sql does that ? nowai.

22:51:24 benkay: but if you just avoid all those things you can write rock-solid code, mircea_popescu.

22:51:39 pankkake: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ is the best on the subject, I found

22:51:42 mircea_popescu: benkay either that or discover more things.

22:51:47 mircea_popescu: i don't imagine that list came prepopulated.

22:51:53 davout: no no no, NULL < -1 in SQL would result in NULL

22:51:54 ozbot: PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad

22:52:01 mircea_popescu: pankkake i was quoting from there

22:52:54 pankkake: oh :)

22:53:21 pankkake: it's actually a good resource if you want to *learn* php

22:53:36 mircea_popescu: some of this shit is pretty impressive.

22:53:48 mircea_popescu: ?: is left associative

22:55:00 ThickAsThieves: "we learn that Italy has just ordered banks to withhold a 20% tax on all inbound wire transfers: a decree which on to of everything will apply retroactively to February 1" i missed the retro part initially ... wtf?

22:55:43 mod6: You pull out the hammer, but to your dismay, it has the claw part on both sides. << lmao

22:56:13 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i can do you one better : romania passed an organic law saying that the tax code can not be altered mid exercise

22:56:18 mircea_popescu: because the govt kept doing this.

22:56:33 mircea_popescu: the next year the tax code was altered mid exercise, and to be applied from the beginning of the exercise.

22:56:47 ThickAsThieves: can italy even keep up with verifying claims of exemption?

22:56:48 davout: lol

22:56:49 mircea_popescu: further improvement : the people who obeyed sucked it

22:56:57 mircea_popescu: the people who told them to fuck off got to get away with it.

22:57:13 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's planned to become delayed.

22:57:16 davout: in france we have invented something marvelously cynical : "l'abus de droit"

22:57:40 ThickAsThieves: also does Italy not want money coming there anymore?

22:57:42 davout: in other words, if you use the law to your advantage too much, govt gets to fuck you

22:58:05 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves italy thinks money has no choice

22:58:11 mircea_popescu: because all moniz lead to rome

22:58:14 mircea_popescu: or some retarded shit

22:58:27 mircea_popescu: (really, it doesn't want rich foreigners coming in scooping their shit country for cheap)

22:59:23 ThickAsThieves: lol

22:59:35 ThickAsThieves: well, bitcoin!

22:59:41 ThickAsThieves: sry Italy

23:00:19 mircea_popescu: davout romanian courts are like something from 1400 HRE.

23:00:32 mircea_popescu: i don't think any government in the world gets so badly raped in the courts as the romanian one.

23:00:37 davout: "HRE" <<< ?

23:00:39 ThickAsThieves: are bitcoin exchanges going to even be legal next year?

23:00:40 mircea_popescu: good illustration of this principle

23:00:42 mircea_popescu: holy roman empire.

23:00:47 davout: oh

23:00:59 benkay: mircea_popescu: that's the point. avoiding "all of those things" is an impossible task.

23:01:05 mircea_popescu: a state agency created to herpderp about us crapola fined a popular tv station for saying nigger or some such shit.

23:01:18 davout: ThickAsThieves: who knows... as usual, wear a condom and don't leave money on exchanges

23:01:23 mircea_popescu: the station sued the agency. the court ordered the agency stfu and pay the stations' lawyers

23:01:31 mircea_popescu: the agency was not built with a lawyer budget, so it couldn't pay

23:01:41 mircea_popescu: another court said stfu and pay or else we take your computors

23:01:46 mircea_popescu: and sell the employees into slavery.

23:04:06 davout: computors, who would've thought in 1900 that janitors would be humans in 2000 and computors machines

23:04:17 mircea_popescu: srsly.

23:06:12 benkay: neat to note how the spin is changing: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10165/floridas-bitcoin-sting-cast-doubt-law-enforcements-priorities-money-laundering-laws/

23:06:21 benkay: originally "these horrible credit card fraudsters"

23:06:43 benkay: now it's "they're just moving too much money. you're not allowed to move more than 30K without our permission."

23:07:21 mircea_popescu: myeah.

23:07:39 mircea_popescu: the sides are stiffening, we shall have battle.

23:08:16 mircea_popescu: Including a file dumps its variables into the current function?s scope (and gives the file access to your variables), but dumps functions and classes into global scope.

23:08:32 mircea_popescu: so php does not actually have scope for anything but variables ?

23:09:16 benkay: stahp stahp stahp

23:09:23 benkay: leave poor php alone

23:09:31 benkay: you just don't understand!

23:09:44 mircea_popescu: well i guess why would anyone ever want function scope

23:09:50 davout: it would be so cool to have a consistent language where everything is an object that you call methods on

23:09:51 mircea_popescu: unless they were going to do something evil with it.

23:09:59 mircea_popescu: davout asm ?

23:10:24 davout: nah, i think it's named sapphire or sthg

23:10:58 mircea_popescu: Using a variable as a function name, or variable name, or class name. (silent)

23:11:07 mircea_popescu: for the record, mysql is equally idiotic about this.

23:11:40 davout: classes, functions, w/e they're all objects!

23:11:40 mircea_popescu: ppl spent half a day debugging bizarre eulora errors only to discover the name of a variable happened to be a language construct and those you have to quote a CERTAIN way

23:12:12 davout: mircea_popescu: well that's kind of like mpex, "here are the rules; like it or not, but its how this thing works"

23:12:54 mircea_popescu: i guess so.

23:12:55 benkay: what's eulora built in?

23:13:01 mircea_popescu: benkay php.

23:13:16 mircea_popescu: srsly : it's largely c++

23:13:40 Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu And THAT is a beautiful language.

23:13:46 mircea_popescu: there are some ad-hoc scripting things we're fighting with atm

23:14:13 mircea_popescu: i'm still waffly whether the entire thing should be torn out and re-written (which you know, 16th standard problem as well as joel's netscape objections)

23:14:24 mircea_popescu: or just try to live with the idiocy of nonsensical xml horror.

23:14:37 mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones sure, for the first 1k lines.

23:15:29 Jere_Jones: I enjoy it.

23:16:19 mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones the kids don't seem to, which means you'll probably have your work cut out for you until you fall over

23:16:29 mircea_popescu: seeing how most everything that actually works is actually c

23:17:41 Jere_Jones: If I'm lucky. :)

23:19:55 mike_c: i hope eulora isn't rolling its own xml encoder/decoder. that sounds painful.

23:20:21 mircea_popescu: mike_c whatever's in the code is currently xml-ish.

23:20:28 mircea_popescu: if it rolls its own it ain't gonna be xml.

23:20:41 mike_c: xml-ish :)

23:20:44 mircea_popescu: but probably... lua. i guess.

23:20:50 benkay: HA

23:20:56 mircea_popescu: which will make r3wt's exchange implementable as a crafting station in eulora

23:20:59 mike_c: sounds like.. html!

23:21:10 asciilifeform: anyone remember the multi-MB nsa turd in lua?

23:21:22 mircea_popescu: mike_c do you know of any implementation of xml that is actually not xml-ish ?

23:21:41 mircea_popescu: i mean in some sort of application with some other function or destination than showcasing xml

23:22:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform vaguely.

23:22:17 mike_c: xml is just a data format. if it's not being handwritten why not be strict?

23:22:40 mircea_popescu: mike_c but as to the practical question...

23:23:13 asciilifeform: http://blog.malwarebytes.org/intelligence/2012/06/rats-of-unusual-sizes/

23:23:19 mike_c: not sure i follow. you mean like soap?

23:23:36 mircea_popescu: i mean like a cheese grater or a rocket designing gui

23:23:42 mircea_popescu: that for some reason included a xml parser

23:23:53 mircea_popescu: and the thing was actually xml as opposed to xml-ish

23:24:23 mike_c: i would say any website service that uses soap to communicate.

23:25:18 mircea_popescu: http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/radhelp/v8/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.webservice.doc%2Ftopics%2Fcore%2Ftwsicomply.html

23:25:29 mircea_popescu: first fucking thing. "You can choose to make your Web service compliant or non-compliant, depending on your needs."

23:25:44 ozbot: Help - Rational Application Developer

23:25:48 mircea_popescu: atrocious fucking site ibm has too

23:26:08 mike_c: hm, well, can you provide an example of a reason you would need to not be compliant?

23:27:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the lua relation seems merely happenstance

23:27:47 mircea_popescu: mike_c none. but im just saying practically, people do what they do.

23:27:51 Jere_Jones: It isn't a matter of needing to be non-compliant. It would be a matter of not needing to be compliant.

23:28:04 Jere_Jones: Compliant requiring more resources.

23:28:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was genuine lua in the turd

23:28:37 asciilifeform: or did you mean something else

23:29:12 mircea_popescu: i mean " multi-MB nsa turd in lua" shoud have read "the lua in the multi-MB nsa turd"

23:29:18 asciilifeform: ah well yes.

23:30:07 asciilifeform: the art of turdcraft has really gone down hill, people write shit in vb even.

23:30:51 mircea_popescu: The White Hat RAT ? A legitimate network administrator needs to quickly perform updates or solve problems for numerous users, so he has a legitimate reasons to install a remote administration tool on all of the systems under his supervision. This would allow him to make changes and/or catch people going against the companies computer use policy for all of the users without leaving his desk.

23:31:03 mircea_popescu: you have to be completely broken i nthe head to imagine there is such a thing as a legitimate rat.

23:31:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember 'back orifice' ?

23:31:21 asciilifeform: what it was named after.

23:31:32 mircea_popescu: well ya, but nevertheless.

23:32:00 asciilifeform: yeah i never understood the appeal of giving slaves actual computers. give them graphic terminals and be done with it

23:32:36 mircea_popescu: no computers for slaves.

23:32:47 mircea_popescu: if you need the admin to fix your computer you may not use one.

23:33:12 mircea_popescu: back in the day a man became eligible for marriage once he could fix his own fucking cart.

23:35:24 asciilifeform: http://threatpost.com/large-list-of-ftp-credentials-for-sale-in-underground-forums/104275

23:35:28 asciilifeform: someone still uses ftp!

23:36:11 mircea_popescu: ?Hacker?s cannot usually upload information to a website,

23:36:28 mircea_popescu: srsly, 7800 fpt servers, what is this, noob tv ?

23:38:17 asciilifeform: stoopid folks are stoopid, news at 11

23:38:35 asciilifeform: who the hell pays for trojans, also

23:38:42 asciilifeform: i never understood

23:38:47 mircea_popescu: Guy eating in an elegant restaurant in Montreal leaves his table to use the men?s room and comes out screaming.

23:38:47 mircea_popescu: ?Monsieur! Monsieur! What is wrong??

23:38:47 mircea_popescu: ?I used the faucet for cold and the hottest water came out.?

23:38:47 mircea_popescu: ?Ah, Monsieur ?c? is for chaud, which means hot in French.?

23:38:47 mircea_popescu: ?But the other faucet has a ?c? on it too.?

23:38:48 mircea_popescu: ?That ?c? is for the English word cold.?

23:38:50 mircea_popescu: ?That?s crazy.?

23:38:52 mircea_popescu: ?No, sir, not crazy? said the maitre d?, ?We are a bilingual city.?

23:45:32 mircea_popescu: http://www.correctionalassociation.org/news/new-law-bans-shackling-of-incarcerated-women-in-labor

23:45:37 mircea_popescu: interesting what they need laws for.

23:46:02 ozbot: New law bans shackling of incarcerated women in labor » Correctional Association of New York: Corre

23:48:03 BitcoinPropagand: http://www.coindesk.com/italian-amendment-treat-bitcoin-like-cash/

23:51:59 asciilifeform: re: 'keybase' link: brilliant honeypot

23:52:08 benkay: am i supposed to read this florida thing to imply i can move 20k+ but but 20k-??

23:52:17 mircea_popescu: "The first time I went to jail I was 18 years old. I had gone AWOL from the navy, was living with 3 prostitutes, and befriended an older Marine. The Marine and I decided to pull an armed robbery of a small convenience store. A policeman happened to be in the area, and after a long chase we were arrested and went to jail."

23:52:17 asciilifeform: '...certain crypto actions (signing and decrypting) are limited to users who store client-encrypted copies of their private keys on the server, an optional feature we didn't mention above...'

23:52:47 mircea_popescu: omfg

23:52:53 asciilifeform: '...co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase.'

23:53:00 asciilifeform: 'famed artist & designer'

23:53:01 mircea_popescu: name ?

23:53:07 asciilifeform: scroll to bottom

23:53:19 mircea_popescu: i dont have the shit loaded

23:53:28 asciilifeform: keybase.io

23:53:32 mircea_popescu: sigh

23:53:44 blg: benkay: are you referring to the secret service arrests of localbitcoin users?

23:54:02 benkay: blg yup

23:54:05 asciilifeform: Max Krohn

23:54:06 asciilifeform: co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase

23:54:06 asciilifeform: keybase.io/max

23:54:06 asciilifeform: MIT Ph.D., PDOS Group

23:54:06 asciilifeform: Chris Coyne

23:54:06 asciilifeform: co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase

23:54:08 asciilifeform: keybase.io/chris

23:54:10 mircea_popescu: ;;rate Chris Coyne Max Krohn Caroline Hadilaksono - 10 fucktards

23:54:10 asciilifeform: chriscoyne.com

23:54:12 asciilifeform: Caroline Hadilaksono

23:54:14 asciilifeform: famed artist & designer

23:54:16 asciilifeform: keybase.io/chadilaksono

23:54:18 asciilifeform: www.hadilaksono.com

23:54:28 asciilifeform: hard-working public servants!

23:54:33 mircea_popescu: send the fingermen.

23:54:34 asciilifeform: the fucktards are the lusers.

23:54:58 asciilifeform: hell, it's exactly as dumb as 'online wallets'

23:55:07 asciilifeform: let's store private keys on this other fellow's box!

23:55:10 asciilifeform: what could go wrong.

23:55:50 asciilifeform: embrace & extinguish (TM)

23:55:55 mircea_popescu: no cause they're encrypted you know.

23:56:12 asciilifeform: lol

23:56:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, the positive here is that all these fucktards are rapidly giving old style fiat credentials a bad name.

23:56:39 mircea_popescu: o, you're from X company ? so you're too stupid to live, right, just like the geniuses that founded okcupid, facebook, whatnot.

23:56:51 asciilifeform: channelling herr moldy and orlov: '...it's not clear that you'll want the old world on your resume.'

23:57:02 mircea_popescu: definitely clear you don't.

23:57:15 mircea_popescu: kinda funny how the stupid work for the smart whether they like it or not.

23:57:42 punkman: keybase.io wants people's private keys? lulz

23:57:58 davout: wai

23:58:15 asciilifeform: can't believe nobody noticed that tidbit

23:58:20 davout: srsly?

23:58:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're the first one that read the site

23:58:29 mircea_popescu: probably since its inception

23:58:38 asciilifeform: i always think, 'scroll down to where the bastard wants your keys'

23:59:02 davout: i skimmed over it and concluded, maybe too fast, that it was just syntactic sugar around the gpg binary or sthg

23:59:07 asciilifeform: the less dour the presentation, the more childlike the graphics, the more guaranteed.

23:59:18 punkman: I just liked the command line utility, I want to associate nicknames to keys

23:59:45 mircea_popescu: punkman what's wrong with, you know, the wot ?

23:59:54 davout: punkman: you don't have autocomplete for key names?