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00:02:30 decimation: asciilifeform: have you read some of the research under the heading "delay tolerant networking"

00:03:25 BingoBoingo: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/httpd-slides-asiabsdcon2015.pdf

00:03:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18zpwoe )

00:03:33 decimation: nasa et.al. spend money on usg think tanks to try to come up with a protocol that will magically switch between store-and-forward and low-latency as the channel permits

00:03:56 mircea_popescu: !up Asenath

00:04:04 mircea_popescu: jurov on it

00:04:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform forced mistakes are forced and mistaken.

00:05:48 mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> he posts a ton of extremely ambitious ideas i'd love to see him come through on one of them << you have to understand this is now, thanks to moldbug et all, an internet pose.

00:06:12 mircea_popescu: there's no substance to it past getting you to say that, just like there's no substance past oprah's skin color past getting black people to buy shit.

00:08:40 decimation: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~augustin/pub/chaintreau08opportunistic.pdf < interestingly, 'gossip-based' has become a buzzword in some of this network research

00:08:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18zqukn )

00:39:10 mircea_popescu: http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/95953789878/chapter-2-in-which-i-remember-why-i-hated-this << ahahaha is it this fucking bad ?!

00:39:11 assbot: Wading In — Chapter 2, in which I remember why I hated this ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Iuxj )

00:39:16 mircea_popescu: "You turned into a cat! A SMALL cat! You violated Conservation of Energy! That?s not just an arbitrary rule, it?s implied by the form of the quantum Hamiltonian! Rejecting it destroys unitarity and then you get FTL signalling!?

00:39:40 mircea_popescu: this is a better meme than fu im a dragon.

00:42:59 mircea_popescu: "I read the comments on an HPMOR chapter, which I recommend strongly against. I wish I could talk to several of the commentators, and gently talk them out of a poor financial decision.

00:42:59 mircea_popescu: Poor, misguided random internet person- your donation to MIRI/LessWrong will not help save the world. Even if you grant all their (rather silly) assumptions MIRI is a horribly unproductive research institute- in more than a decade, it has published fewer peer reviewed papers than the average physics graduate student does while in grad school."

00:43:00 mircea_popescu: aww.

00:53:30 BingoBoingo: The woodchipper fanfic was better

00:55:46 mircea_popescu: i am slowly and unpleasantly realising that there will be no end of these ignare cvasi-intellectuals.

00:56:07 mircea_popescu: every year shall bring more yarvin, yakudsky, yaranidiot.

00:57:05 mircea_popescu: i suppose it's unavoidable given an "educational system" that fails to teach anything but manages to impart absurd delusions of self worth and power, and completely destructured personal social relations.

00:57:30 mircea_popescu: nevertheless... good god, i need more hemlock.

00:57:43 BingoBoingo: !b 3

00:57:43 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3XHPQH3.txt )

00:59:30 mircea_popescu: where the fuck are the people holding up signs with "you are stupid" to raise awareness ?

00:59:44 mircea_popescu: that's a topic that desperately needs awareness, the bezzle's nothing compared to the igzzle.

01:00:11 mircea_popescu: if you add all the money people think they're worth, and divide by all the value that actually exists, you only get a few degrees of magnitude out of the process.

01:00:45 mircea_popescu: however, if you add all the smarts people assign themselves and divide by the ... like i dunno, 5000 or so total iq points available for the bn or so english speakers, you roughly get infinity.

01:02:07 mircea_popescu: and THAT is sure as fuck not implied by the form of any part of any "hamiltonian", w r hamilton's reproductive organs included.

01:19:31 funkenstein_: fractional reserver brain power. just getting it.

01:20:05 *: funkenstein_ slow as fuck

01:22:34 mircea_popescu: exactly what it is. backed by nothing but the full faith and credit of the usg, in the shape of little bits of paper issued by Department of Harvard, The Stanford Agency scl etc.

01:23:05 funkenstein_: the paper belt

01:23:05 mircea_popescu: and this schmuck didn't even go to school!

01:23:19 mircea_popescu: it's so fucking pervasive by now, they can extract it by simple aculturation.

01:24:13 funkenstein_: the academic bullshit goes way back

01:24:28 mircea_popescu: never before have i realised the wisdom of the jews / early christians in keeping the books under key.

01:26:18 funkenstein_: ?

01:27:32 funkenstein_: just to make more of a challenge for us?

01:28:15 mircea_popescu: no, but because acquiring a monkey-ish familiarity with material is a trivial task, which will then prevent an ambitious and inexperienced actor from actually learning anything.

01:30:22 funkenstein_: hmm.. more likely they were just the same kind of people who enjoy their power as academics today

01:30:32 mircea_popescu: the same insane behaviour exhibited by "bitcoin entrepreneurs" as summed up in http://fraudsters.com/2015/who-made-this/ is what drives ykwhatever to falsely believe he has understood something about statistics / has anything meaningful to say

01:30:33 assbot: Who made this ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWZgSB )

01:30:35 mircea_popescu: "about science"

01:31:47 mircea_popescu: of course this argument falls apart once one considers that - according to various muppets cca 1900, "physics was a closed science", so by the logic above proposed everyone should be kept from nature itself as they muck it up.

01:32:18 thestringpuller: dr. funkenstein straight from george clinton's mothership

01:32:35 mircea_popescu: but still, hot damn, semidoctus is becoming a byword for homo interneticus.

01:32:43 funkenstein_: the bigger the headache the bigger the pill

01:33:42 funkenstein_: you give us a chance we will get it wrong. that's why it is so important to have those stupid signs up you mentioned.

01:39:26 funkenstein_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1s1DOUNA-g

01:39:28 assbot: PEAK DUMB - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErOelH )

01:40:48 thestringpuller: re: who made this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0g_85WTGIM "How did you get this show?" "Carrot Top turned it down."

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01:47:10 mircea_popescu: lol

02:15:28 *: asciilifeform would point out that 'turned into small cat' does not have to violate conservation laws if cat is peculiarly dense, or if the excess mass had been teleported a room away (which in itself does not have to violate conservation) -- but this is probably not what the thing was about

02:17:16 mircea_popescu: actually the cat doesn't even have to be dense per se, it could just be very hot.

02:17:40 mircea_popescu: or... spinning real fast.

02:17:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every year shall bring more.. << give the charlatans some credit here. yudkowsky, for instance, carefully disassembled the broken husk of christianity and soldered all the loose pieces together in a way that it sorta runs again for folks on the right half of bell curve

02:18:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have little to no evidence of this. all i see is the text, and the text is truely appalling.

02:18:42 mircea_popescu: yes, maybe he writes like an idiot on purpose.

02:19:08 asciilifeform: he convinced folks with some education in the physical sciences, even to believe in immortality ('ancestor sims', 'nanotech'); deities ('jupiter brains', 'superintelligence') and even immortal soul ('coherent extrapolated volition')

02:19:17 asciilifeform: he writes 'down' to the audience

02:19:21 asciilifeform: to reel people in

02:19:24 mircea_popescu: it seems improbable, much like crack whores are rarely sober actresses practicing.

02:19:29 asciilifeform: the man knows precisely what he's doing

02:19:57 mircea_popescu: listen, a large crowd of bearded idiots following the child prophet is no proof of the child's anything.

02:19:59 asciilifeform: in fact, he is so confident that he's been known to accept public debate. might even show up here if somebody really wants.

02:20:07 mircea_popescu: it's just proof that people are endlessly stupid on their own terms.

02:20:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not going by the crowd, but by having actually read everything the fella wrote 1997-2009 or so

02:20:21 mircea_popescu: debate as to what ? there's no point of contention.

02:20:51 asciilifeform: the only point i can see in contention is whether mr y 'drinks own kool-aid' or not

02:21:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you saying he's just a very inept writer of [fan]fiction ?

02:21:15 mircea_popescu: lol that'd be a debate. which side is he to take ?

02:21:30 asciilifeform: possibly the 'has' ?

02:21:36 asciilifeform: (it would be interesting if not!)

02:21:52 asciilifeform: the fanfic thing is one of the pieces i have -not- read.

02:21:56 mircea_popescu: ah.

02:21:57 asciilifeform: so cannot comment usefully.

02:22:18 mircea_popescu: it's... bad. it's bad in a literary sense, and it's arguably worse in a science sense.

02:22:42 mircea_popescu: one could read treatises on learned topics written by anonymous americans cca 1800 to about the same effect.

02:22:56 mircea_popescu: heavy on the sauce, no real meat to speak of.

02:23:17 asciilifeform: mr y seems quite clever so long as he has the sense to stay away from actual mechanisms and physical world in general where if 'your hands grow from your arse' you tend to lose them in the gears.

02:23:22 asciilifeform: story time:

02:23:44 asciilifeform: mr y had... a programming language! cooked up in his days of being a self-important kid with just a few dozen cult followers

02:24:01 mircea_popescu: did it have submarines ?

02:24:07 asciilifeform: it was rather like a bad ('70s-style) lispalike with xml (yes, xml) for all forms

02:24:16 asciilifeform: for all expressions, rather

02:24:23 asciilifeform: xml in place of sexprs.

02:24:27 asciilifeform: thing was called 'flare'

02:24:28 mircea_popescu: i guess...

02:24:37 asciilifeform: and you will not see any of his groupies mention it. ever.

02:25:06 asciilifeform: (did i mention his 'human-equivalent ai' was to be written in it? this is, of course, before he pronounced fatwa on anyone contemplating such a thing)

02:25:51 mircea_popescu: lol you know the portrait that emerges is exactly that of the sort of kid i'd bust the nose of within a coupla days of being introduced ?

02:26:00 asciilifeform: the thing he's very good at is plagiarism

02:26:02 mircea_popescu: http://flarelang.sourceforge.net/ < this thing ?

02:26:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWkWz5 )

02:26:13 asciilifeform: and ends up seeming quite clever by lifting various ideas and 'explaining'

02:26:17 mircea_popescu: it just sounds like, where's that 2nd hand source brb

02:26:18 asciilifeform: ;;google detached lever fallacy

02:26:19 gribble: Detached Lever Fallacy - Less Wrong: http://lesswrong.com/lw/sp/detached_lever_fallacy/; Category:Fallacies - Lesswrongwiki: http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Category:Fallacies; Magic - Lesswrongwiki: http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Magic

02:26:22 asciilifeform: ^ example

02:26:38 mircea_popescu: "I?m too smart, Professor. I?ve got nothing to say to normal children. Adults don?t respect me enough to really talk to me. And frankly, even if they did, they wouldn?t sound as smart as Richard Feynman, so I might as well read something Richard Feynman wrote instead. I?m isolated, Professor McGonagall. I?ve been isolated my whole life. Maybe that has some of the same effects as being locked in a cellar. An

02:26:38 mircea_popescu: d I?m too intelligent to look up to my parents the way that children are designed to do. My parents love me, but they don?t feel obliged to respond to reason, and sometimes I feel like they?re the children - children who won?t listen and have absolute authority over my whole existence. I try not to be too bitter about it, but I also try to be honest with myself, so, yes, I?m bitter.

02:27:05 mircea_popescu: then merge that with the "i failed and so nobody else should try it!" reversal of the "i tried and thus no one should criticize me" insanity...

02:28:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know that's an age honored thing in usia. which is why all the brouhaha over "intelle;ctual property" and "bla bla theft" is so funny for people who aren't either born yesterday or to stupid parents in the great plains. srsly, someone stole from murica ? what, christmas ?

02:28:45 asciilifeform: 'always it is the thief who cries - stop, thief!' or how did it go

02:28:52 mircea_popescu: that's what ted is, but it didn't start there. that's what http://fraudsters.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ is and what mormonism is and puritanism and the us army and generally...

02:28:53 assbot: Anonymous derpage pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWllkX )

02:28:55 mircea_popescu: it's all lifted.

02:29:14 mircea_popescu: or as that romanian dude put it, "hai c-am furat un negativ"

02:29:23 asciilifeform: in all fairness, how could it be anything else? not being a historic culture and all

02:29:36 mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with it, as a process, but the acultural approach to it... o brother.

02:29:53 mircea_popescu: right, that's what i;m saying. obviously cunt gets pounded. but all the pretense around it ? y ?

02:30:59 mircea_popescu: "Jumping off the

02:30:59 mircea_popescu: extensibility of XML,

02:30:59 mircea_popescu: the flexibility of the underlying

02:30:59 mircea_popescu: representation enables Flare to do

02:30:59 mircea_popescu: several fundamental things in

02:31:00 mircea_popescu: fundamentally different ways."

02:31:18 mircea_popescu: ^ check it out, it allowed them to mix text with display rules, because xml.

02:31:40 asciilifeform: obligatory naggumism: ''It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.''

02:32:12 mircea_popescu: Flare.org domain donated courtesy of ePoet.com

02:32:13 mircea_popescu: o.O

02:32:56 mircea_popescu: "Flare is based on XML. In dialects of LISP, both the program and the program data are represented as lists. In Flare, the program and program data, and ideally the program state, are all represented as well-formed XML. Because XML is annotative (additional sub-elements can be easily added to any parent element without destroying the structural integrity of existing data) and extensible (new sub-element types can be

02:32:56 mircea_popescu: easily created), these properties are shared by Flare objects and Flare programs."

02:33:06 mircea_popescu: this just broke my head. seriously ?!

02:33:30 mircea_popescu: in what complang is it the case that you can't add stuff to code ?!

02:33:34 asciilifeform: ^ the stuck-capslock 'LISP' is an almost foolproof leper's bell of folks whose knowledge of the subject comes from 1970s encyclopaedia article

02:34:19 asciilifeform: (no one who actually programs in any lisplike thing whatsoever, will ever write it out that way - the fingers simply won't do it)

02:34:56 mircea_popescu: how old was he when doing this flare thing ?

02:35:09 mircea_popescu: If the Flare interpreter knows that "human" is a class defined in the module "people", then it knows to expect that the tag "arms" refers to an instance member with numeric content. This is how the Flare interpreter knows that 2 means the number 2 and not the string "2".

02:35:24 mircea_popescu: ^ almost as painful to read as his fiction.

02:35:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the parlance of folks who actually program computers on occasion - 'blocks of code are a first-class object' is the claim. which is true for all lisp-family

02:35:34 mircea_popescu: is the above quote included in your "read all" ?

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02:35:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last i saw this crap, it was a series of forum posts...

02:35:58 *: asciilifeform out of the loop for a good long spell

02:36:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the language is the message, here. guy's not writing down to anyone but himself.

02:36:24 asciilifeform: i don't even know that this brochure was crapped out by mr y himself

02:36:35 mircea_popescu: "Not written by Dmitriy Myshkin."

02:37:03 mircea_popescu: in any case, .ro space has a coupla of these, "artists" that wish to be philosophers/scientists. the result is endless lol fountain.

02:37:34 asciilifeform: in the spirit of mrs. ceausescu ?

02:37:54 mircea_popescu: nah, in the spirit of mr pecuchet

02:38:14 mircea_popescu: ceausescu was a shoemaker.

02:39:21 asciilifeform: thinking of the woman

02:39:42 mircea_popescu: ah. she was a common whore.

02:39:49 mircea_popescu: unlike argentina's, she wasn't pretty, either

02:40:03 mircea_popescu: (tho i don't find evita peron pretty, but hey)

02:40:04 asciilifeform: whore who walked around collecting 'honorary diplomas' in chemistry

02:40:18 mircea_popescu: point being, artist.

02:40:20 asciilifeform: while actual chemists cringed, bit tongues

02:40:49 mircea_popescu: i dunno if you know this sort - often comes out at the beach. tall, good looking kid, not a jock, has learned some poetry and gazes into the distance a lot.

02:40:53 mircea_popescu: sorta emo-precursor.

02:41:04 decimation: re: education < http://www.wired.com/2015/02/silicon-valley-home-schooling/ < apparently Thiel et.al. were educated in a Montessori school (which was a crazy idea invented by a random italian chick) to let kids decide for themselves "how to be schooled"

02:41:05 assbot: The Techies Who Are Hacking Education by Homeschooling Their Kids | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWn4qs )

02:41:15 mircea_popescu: very successful with a certain age range, mostly because well... the gals are itching for a trashing, but also kinda affraid it may hurt.

02:41:37 asciilifeform: decimation: iirc 'montessori' is done to very young, elementary grade pupils only

02:41:53 mircea_popescu: yeah, it's extended kindergarten

02:42:09 mircea_popescu: (dunno about yer lands, but that's exactly how kindergarten was done when i was 5ish)

02:42:51 decimation: heh no they do high school now

02:43:14 mircea_popescu: nuts.

02:43:19 mircea_popescu: ok alf, I got it. here it is :

02:43:20 mircea_popescu: This whole conversation feels ham fisted, Hariezer is consistently telling us about all the manipulative tricks they are both using. Its less a conversation and more people who just sat through a shitty marketing seminar trying to try out what they learned. WITH RAPE.

02:43:20 mircea_popescu: [...]

02:43:21 mircea_popescu: I?m not sure why you?d use persuasion/marketing as a shiny metaphor for science, other than its the theme of this chapter. ?If you know science you can manipulate people as if you were literally in control of them? seems like a broad, and mostly untrue claim.

02:43:31 decimation: exampe > http://www.schoolofthewoods.org/

02:43:33 assbot: School of the Woods - Montessori - Established 1962 - preK thru 12 Education ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWnptc )

02:44:39 mircea_popescu: so your theory'd be, fitting with the above, that this is what they called a "sensitive child" who is trying to assuage his existential vertigo by "taming" [pseudo]science to play the role of a sort of marketing ?

02:45:03 asciilifeform: approximately.

02:45:36 mircea_popescu: reads to me more like a cry for help.

02:45:46 mircea_popescu: "mommy look how fucking stupid i'm being, help me!"

02:46:45 asciilifeform: whatever it was a cry for, it werked - mr y has a rotating harem, a flat in san fran, and a phoundation to invoice for the lot - and i don't

02:47:04 asciilifeform: so yes, i l0l, but sc4mz0r sp4mz like a pr0

02:48:09 mircea_popescu: what's a rotating harem ?

02:48:19 asciilifeform: the kind mircea_popescu has

02:48:27 mircea_popescu: wait. wut ?

02:48:35 asciilifeform: where younger gurlz rotated in, etc

02:48:46 *: asciilifeform not sure of the correct term of art

02:48:50 mircea_popescu: you're basically saying he's having a lot of sex ?

02:48:59 asciilifeform: sex he doesn't have to go shopping for

02:49:06 *: asciilifeform again not sure of the term of art

02:50:03 mircea_popescu: might be "dating"

02:50:05 decimation: re: "intelle;ctual property" < I spoke with a patent examiner once, she said that she often was 'paid a visit' by pharma/medical people who were under the mistaken impression that their devices were still under patent

02:50:16 decimation: when it had long ago expired

02:50:32 asciilifeform: wai wat

02:50:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm tryin' to follow!

02:51:23 asciilifeform: (no one remotely connected with the filing of an american patent is under any doubt whatsoever regarding expiration thereof)

02:51:53 decimation: asciilifeform: she said they would have long conversations where they were apparently mistaken about this

02:51:54 mircea_popescu: "I enjoy speaking at financial firms on human rationality." << there, your mystery's solved. he's doing the entertainment for vc teambuilding events.

02:53:30 mircea_popescu: so is, for instance, her : http://40.media.tumblr.com/fc9005c0f6ad1619a382f70c2796027e/tumblr_msbf0u15E61rmm9buo1_500.jpg

02:53:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWoQYC )

02:53:54 decimation: mircea_popescu: snake-oil sales for 'business seminars' is quite big business

02:54:16 asciilifeform: if he does this, it is to rope in chumpz for his phoundation

02:54:21 mircea_popescu: well... you gotta put something up, you know ? gavin can't run to all of them in his satoshi costume

02:54:31 asciilifeform: and - it works

02:54:38 mircea_popescu: and out and out nudity is more of a terrorism&money laundering trope than anything

02:54:41 asciilifeform: (-somebody- is paying his bills)

02:54:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he could say the same about you.

02:54:59 asciilifeform: exactly the same

02:55:01 decimation: re: mr y. < are you sure it's gurlz instead of boyz?

02:55:26 asciilifeform: except that mr y is a much more talented whore than yours truly

02:55:37 mircea_popescu: this pov where women without further specification are somehow valuable still boggles me.

02:55:37 asciilifeform: the kind that is a couplea-zeroes apart

02:55:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you know this ?

02:55:51 *: asciilifeform has insufficient data for specification

02:56:36 *: asciilifeform has very few items that rise to the level of 'knowledge' about mr y, mainly thirdhand rumour

02:56:55 mircea_popescu: i think you drastically overestimate the well being of others. but at least it's consistent with the meta nsa/lizard hitler outlook.

02:57:24 asciilifeform: -somebody- flies first class and sleeps ad libitum

02:57:38 ben_vulpes: if not mr y, then surely lizard hitler

02:57:46 ben_vulpes: and damn his eyes for it!

02:57:49 ben_vulpes: or anyone who might.

02:57:49 asciilifeform: His Reptilian Majesty!

02:57:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd ask how you know this, but i'll let it slide :D

02:57:57 decimation: asciilifeform: I'm not sure about that. it seems to me that the us is all about everyone trying to keep everyone else from doing exactly that

02:59:47 decimation: the rhetoric in the us tends toward "a rising tide lifts all boats" but the more apparent reality is to squash the up-and-coming - to prevent competition from above and to 'enhance equality' from below

03:00:23 mircea_popescu: this crabpottery is quite recent

03:01:28 decimation: mircea_popescu: I think it is correlated with the mass looting of public companies that became fashionable in the late 70's/early 80's

03:02:24 mircea_popescu: nah. that's natural, and welcome - capitalism rebuidling itself.

03:02:41 mircea_popescu: when you get a bunch of idiots who wish agency without agency, looting is both necessary and ideal.

03:02:59 mircea_popescu: "public companies" pssh.

03:03:22 mircea_popescu: why wasn't the buffallo a "public company" in 1830 ?

03:04:35 decimation: charles murray has written about how the 'elites' and common folk lived in the same neighborhoods together

03:06:08 mircea_popescu: i fucking wrote about it. elite me lived in the same bus as some alabamian black kids, to no detriment of either of us, au contraire.

03:06:16 mircea_popescu: something average usian can not do. because reasons.

03:06:43 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-01-2015#979013 < elites became paranoid

03:06:43 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:31; mircea_popescu: you're stuck hiding in your gated compound from imaginary niggers.

03:06:57 mircea_popescu: yea

03:07:09 asciilifeform: and meanwhile escalating ethn0w4rz to keep things interesting

03:07:54 decimation: actually the elites were racist as fuck, and were quite willing to use the underclass as a weapon against the kulaks while they built imaginary 'barriers' around their homes

03:08:37 asciilifeform: 'the death and life of great american cities' (jacobs)

03:08:43 asciilifeform: ^ mega-classic

03:10:39 decimation: also I would note that this happened at a time when the intellectual fashion was to scorn any project designed to civilize the 'other'

03:10:58 decimation: 'arrow to the throat - it's the only language the savages understand'

03:19:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '"Give it here." then in the phone "It's Francine A. Hayek. H-A-Y-E-K." and then after a pregnant pause, "No, just a name coincidence."' << m3g4l0l!!

03:19:37 *: asciilifeform falls down

03:24:00 danielpbarron: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2006/09/14/netbsd_future.html << more history about the BSDs

03:24:02 assbot: Confessions of a Recovering NetBSD Zealot - O'Reilly Media ... ( http://bit.ly/1FtcVzv )

03:24:07 danielpbarron: Since it came up in the /. thread, though, I would like to make one correction. It's widely claimed that I'm "the one" who ejected Theo from the NetBSD community. That is false. At that time in NetBSD's history, Chris G. Demetriou was playing the role of alpha male, and I wasn't even given a choice. I was certain it was going to bite us in the ass. I think the question for historians is not whether it did bite us in the ass,

03:25:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha ?

03:25:26 mircea_popescu: tyhat bad ?

03:25:35 asciilifeform: so bad that good (TM)

03:25:54 asciilifeform: as in, register rolls over.

03:26:03 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron he can of course point to deedbot deeds proving these claims,

03:26:08 mircea_popescu: or fail that, to anything ?

03:26:19 asciilifeform: (proposes 'ROL' to augment the customary 'lol' as term of art)

03:27:36 danielpbarron: http://www.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html < pre-deedbot history was kept in the form of email dumps

03:27:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FtdN7f )

03:27:39 asciilifeform: 'Even today, most software distributions on the net (and this includes NetBSD) are not signed.' << wat?

03:27:49 asciilifeform: ^ is above still true ?!

03:29:10 asciilifeform: 'deedbot' concept is older than might appear

03:29:13 asciilifeform: ;;google cediinnoopsssttuu

03:29:14 gribble: Achievements - Robert Hooke Society: http://www.roberthooke.org/page41.html; Download Sample pages 1 PDF - Springer: http://www.springer.com/cda/content/document/cda_downloaddocument/9781461408598-c1.pdf?SGWID=0-0-45-1276559-p174131959; INNER ELASTICITY and the HIGHER-ORDER ELASTICITY of some ...: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/research/qsystems/jones/thesis/Cousins/c_cousins.pdf

03:31:00 decimation: "In addition, Wasabi actually held up a NetBSD release for more than a week, while failing to tell even the developer community why. (The main release engineer happened to be a Wasabi employee, so this was easy.) After I personally pushed the release out without them, it was finally revealed that this was because there was a secret arrangement, which only Wasabi employees and Wasabi board members knew about, to do a combined NetBSD

03:31:02 decimation: Foundation and Wasabi press release. They were actually upset at me for preempting this." << lol this guy is no linus

03:31:25 decimation: that writing smacks of stallmans nerd-rage

03:31:48 *: asciilifeform never really saw the 'rage' angle re: rms

03:32:17 asciilifeform: the devil that rms preaches about - exists.

03:32:32 asciilifeform: he walks around, you can go and touch him at your phriendly local electronics shop.

03:33:13 asciilifeform: in fact, unless you're approximately in the same class of crackpot weirdo as rms - that devil is sitting right next to you in invisible chair.

03:34:42 decimation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8mKMtEg7M < 2:07 he rages

03:34:43 assbot: Richard Stallman Goes Crazy and Freaks Out - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ftfi5u )

03:35:14 asciilifeform: was that when the pickpockets of buenos aires got his mips laptop ?

03:35:21 decimation: heh I think so

03:35:38 asciilifeform: not much to do with doctrine, then.

03:36:11 decimation: no, more of "I let these people 'work' on my project and suddenly they were controlling it"

03:37:32 asciilifeform: 'Most of us had a very strong distaste for the so-called "virus" clause in the GPL, and this is the primary reason we did not adopt it. There was also some thinking that CSRG (Berkeley) and the X Consortium had been successful with leaner, looser licenses, so why bother. In retrospect I think this was naive; if you look at the history, you'll see that neither CSRG nor the X Consortium were really successful in getting third pa

03:37:32 asciilifeform: rties to contribute back most of their changes--and so what we really got in both cases was a long list of derived but very different, and often incompatible, systems.'

03:38:40 asciilifeform: ^ fact is, gpl has perfectly valid reasons for existing; most of which resolve to folks not wishing to give aid and comfort to the enemy

03:38:48 asciilifeform: if there is any way of preventing it

03:39:29 decimation: it's ironic that the guy doesn't want to have the 'virus clause' interfere with BSD distribution yet was apparently willing to let some random company take over the project

03:39:31 asciilifeform: and the enemy is approximately who rms tells us it is.

03:40:18 asciilifeform: critics of rms are always very quick to remember the snot-eating or fits of frothing madness, or whateverthephuck but rarely address the actual arguments in anything like a direct and intelligent way

03:40:32 decimation: I agree with that, but it also seems that the rms 'project' is largely failing

03:41:04 asciilifeform: 'jeszcze Polska nie zginęła'

03:41:05 decimation: in the sense that the major 'open source' projects are switching to non-gpl licenses - or are trying to be devoured by the same

03:41:06 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it doesn't seem to be in there tho. besides, i'd hope he's not relying on theo's testimony ? does he have his own bundle ?

03:41:11 asciilifeform: ^ from the pl national anthem

03:41:31 asciilifeform: 'pl is not yet dead' (next being, 'while we still live')

03:41:44 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'Even today, blablabladerp.' << wat? << i'll tell you what. "mommy, i got a 7 in algebra, but you should have seen all the other kids at retard school, they got 3 and 4!"

03:41:50 decimation: also, stallman hasn't done much about the 'hardware problem'

03:42:11 asciilifeform: decimation: what would you suggest he do about it ?

03:43:03 decimation: I have no idea, but it does seem like software cannot stand freely alone

03:43:35 mircea_popescu: <decimation> it's ironic that the guy doesn't want to have the 'virus clause' interfere with BSD distribution yet was apparently willing to let some random company take over the project << actually... it's all in the bias. irrespective of what the words may say, these were govenrment men. of course they saw no problem giving their thing to governmenty-something. their only actual problem would have been "terrorists", a

03:43:35 mircea_popescu: ka, not drones getting it.

03:43:45 asciilifeform: decimation: barring some quite perverse retroactive usg shenanigans (never say 'never.' it happened in ru) gpl stuff is staying gpl

03:43:46 asciilifeform: forever.

03:43:54 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> danielpbarron it doesn't seem to be in there tho. besides, i'd hope he's not relying on theo's testimony ? does he have his own bundle ? << In Theo's Bundle Theo blames Charles Hannum explicitly near the end. Demetrio in my reading of the dump seems to be an aggrevating factor.

03:44:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only reason gpl stays gpl atm is because it's not worth much. otherwise... it didn't happen in the cccp only. it happened in the us, and everywhere else.

03:44:49 decimation: asciilifeform: are you saying that commercial code isn't riddled with 'gpled snippets'?

03:44:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, but still, as a point of procedure, muppet should be trained to back himself up. "here's what i say it was then, and here's where i published it then"

03:45:14 mircea_popescu: they have to be forced to come to terms and accept the plain fact that if they don't publish, they ARE lying.

03:45:25 mircea_popescu: no excuses, no slack cut for any reason. you keep a blog or fuck you.

03:45:42 asciilifeform: decimation: no, merely that everything once published under gpl is still distributable, no one has yet come up with, in usa, with 'we retroactively own this'

03:45:54 asciilifeform: attempts - yes. but ticket wasn't punched yet.

03:45:55 asciilifeform: yet.

03:46:33 mircea_popescu: the peasants demand church land be redistributed!

03:46:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was referring to the post-soviet laugh where you now 'have to' (lol) pay to see the filmz i grew up with, etc

03:46:52 mircea_popescu: ah, that.

03:46:54 asciilifeform: the 'privatization' of everything

03:47:12 asciilifeform: ussr did not sign berne convention

03:47:16 asciilifeform: but ru did

03:47:18 asciilifeform: '95

03:47:21 mircea_popescu: so ?

03:47:24 asciilifeform: and -retroactive-

03:47:28 mircea_popescu: yeah right.

03:47:44 asciilifeform: article 18 iirc

03:48:17 mircea_popescu: you can put anything you want on paper, doesn't mean jack.

03:48:25 asciilifeform: didn't say it -meant-

03:48:31 asciilifeform: but that it went on the paper

03:48:44 asciilifeform: one doesn't have to believe in god to discuss religion

03:48:46 mircea_popescu: yeh.

03:48:58 asciilifeform: (see eben moglen re: rule of law)

03:49:49 mircea_popescu: ;;google eben moglen rule of law

03:49:50 gribble: Eben Moglen: "Snowden and the Future" | David Bollier: http://bollier.org/blog/eben-moglen-snowden-and-future; Eben Moglen: http://moglen.law.columbia.edu/resume.html; Legal Fictions and Common Law Legal Theory - Eben Moglen: http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/publications/fict.html

03:50:02 *: mircea_popescu never read all this snowden derivative corpus

03:50:29 asciilifeform: iirc it was short & simple, something like 'yeah i'm an anarchist lawyer. you don't have to like disease to be a doctor, either'

03:51:05 mircea_popescu: works.

03:51:34 asciilifeform: 'We honestly had (and have) developers who think that changing all the line-ending whitespace was really important. Or that whether there are some "legacy" K&R-style prototypes actually matters. These people go around committing non-functional changes, which makes source management (and specifically patching and merging) really painful, and which, unfortunately, also often breaks things accidentally. What's worse is that somet

03:51:34 asciilifeform: imes they don't even bother trying to compile it, much less test it. I wish I was making this up; I wish more that I had made these people go away a long time ago.'

03:51:41 asciilifeform: ^ still alive & well and with us.

03:52:28 mircea_popescu: anyone who has this problem is an idiot of the same breath as the guy with a bitchy wife.

03:52:38 mircea_popescu: shoulda frowned her in time.

03:55:36 BingoBoingo: http://altoz.liberty.me/2015/03/17/why-ripple-is-the-enemy/

03:55:37 assbot: Why Ripple is the Enemy - Bit Blogger ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ftk6YB )

03:57:20 asciilifeform: obvious usg altcoin is obvious

03:57:34 asciilifeform: at least, afaik they're the readiest fit for the role.

04:00:37 danielpbarron: "She was pretty drunk so this speech was littered with lovely curse words and slurring." << did this interview take place in b-a or something?

04:06:17 decimation: asciilifeform: re: what to do about hardware < sell diy "mr. fuser" kit at costco?

04:11:12 BingoBoingo: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2006/08/30/0016.html << lol "Speaking of which, there must be negative feedback to discourage people from breaking stuff. This has been a continual problem with certain "developers" for more than a decade."

04:11:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GORRSq )

04:18:56 danielpbarron: basically saying they need to be more like the guy they kicked out

04:20:26 BingoBoingo: Not they, he

04:28:37 decimation: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150316/1019544767.html < ru mil 'conducting excercises' in eastern ru

04:28:38 assbot: Russia Starts Large-Scale Communications Drills in Nine Regions / Sputnik International ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fu2Ouw )

04:32:42 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/kernelslacker/status/577636505239289856

04:32:43 assbot: The advance warning for this OpenSSL bug can only mean one thing. There's going to be a dope logo for this bug on Thursday.

04:37:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 716 @ 0.01449993 = 10.3819 BTC [+] {2}

04:38:45 danielpbarron: !up brendafdez

04:41:24 brendafdez: nice i can haz voice. I was trying to use SASL authentication on hexchat, but for some reaosn it doesn't seem to work. Gave up, is very difficult, this irc stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_tHmL2Oug

04:41:25 assbot: TÉVEZ - VERY DIFFICULT - BIEN SUBTITULADO ESPAÑOL INGLÉS - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fu4kgb )

04:41:45 mircea_popescu: "As one of the 4 originators of NetBSD, I am in a fairly unique position."

04:41:51 mircea_popescu: math is hard. fourtique position !

04:42:09 mircea_popescu: !gettrust brendafdez

04:42:09 assbot: brendafdez is not registered in WoT.

04:42:14 mircea_popescu: ^ do that.

04:42:33 mircea_popescu: sasl is for the birds.

04:45:25 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5SbHmZuRPU << sometimes the HORSE matador.

04:45:27 assbot: Corrida Nîmes - The Horse bite and kill the bull ! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fu4LHr )

04:46:21 brendafdez: ;;ident brendafdez

04:46:21 gribble: Nick 'brendafdez', with hostmask 'brendafdez!~brendafde@unaffiliated/brendafdez', is identified as user 'brendafdez', with GPG key id CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4, key fingerprint 59D8599B65A983BF0288E5B6CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4, and bitcoin address None

04:49:34 mircea_popescu: other 1.

04:49:59 BingoBoingo: !h

04:49:59 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

04:53:42 BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Assbot has its own way to authenticate use !register

04:55:36 mircea_popescu: "The existing NetBSD Foundation must be disbanded, and replaced with an organization that fulfills its original purpose: to merely handle administrative issues"

04:55:50 mircea_popescu: lol. imbecile "Foundation", a problem for every netbsd clone since day one.

04:56:09 brendafdez: !register 59D8599B65A983BF0288E5B6CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4

04:56:09 assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 59D8599B65A983BF0288E5B6CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4. This may take a few moments.

04:56:10 assbot: Key 81FCA4D4 / "Brenda Fernández <me@brendafernandez.com>" successfully imported.

04:56:10 assbot: Registration successful.

04:56:15 brendafdez: like so?

04:57:13 mircea_popescu: yes.

04:57:23 mircea_popescu: !rate brendafdez 1 New tits

04:57:23 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/eda46b0d1274e0b8

04:57:46 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.brendafdez.1:bd0936d5e7c2db1878ac7d3ac05fb79ac1087d9de8c7139108bbc564651c4aa1

04:57:46 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for brendafdez with note: New tits

04:57:52 mircea_popescu: you voice yourself by pm ing assbot !up

04:58:59 brendafdez: wow (:

05:00:34 BingoBoingo: https://wiki.ripple.com/Freeze

05:00:35 assbot: Freeze - Ripple Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/18AjX8O )

05:04:47 BingoBoingo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/06/heavily-armed-drug-cops-raid-retirees-garden-seize-okra-plants/

05:04:48 assbot: Heavily armed drug cops raid retiree’s garden, seize okra plants - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fu78de )

05:07:10 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000034.html << why not a patch file for this? just to make me diff it myself?

05:07:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18AlcVN )

05:07:11 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:09:30 ben_vulpes: a brendafdez!

05:10:14 mircea_popescu: "The Cannabis Eradication programs have historically inflated the size of their hauls by including non-psychoactive "ditchweed" in their totals of plants seized. In past years, ditchweed accounted for up to 98 percent of seized outdoor plant totals."

05:10:21 mircea_popescu: epic. the usg, inflating EVERYTHING.

05:10:43 mircea_popescu: fake psychiatric patients. fake foster kids. fake homeless. fake pot captures, fake mit engineering degrees, fake currency

05:10:47 mircea_popescu: and im sure, fake orgasms.

05:14:31 BingoBoingo: ;;google US fake orgasm epidemic

05:14:33 gribble: The Orgasm Deficit - Cosmopolitan: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a28359/orgasm-deficit/; The Under F**ked Pussy Epidemic (Every Woman Needs To Read ...: http://mytinysecrets.com/the-under-fked-pussy-epidemic-every-women-need-to-read-this/; The infidelity epidemic: Never have marriage vows been under so ...: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311947/The- (1 more message)

05:17:13 mircea_popescu: heh.

05:18:04 mircea_popescu: they seriously misspelled fucking in the title of an article about cunt and fucking ?

05:18:22 mircea_popescu: here's an idea : if you're not comfortable spelling your topic, write about something else.

05:49:38 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "trip" << hilarious

06:02:14 mircea_popescu: ha! thanks.

06:25:40 brendafdez: forgive the laziness to look it up, but the wot ratings entered with assbot end up showing on bitcoin-otc the same as they did back when one registered them with gribble, right? They get 'synced' after a while?

06:28:36 BingoBoingo: Whether they sync ever if I recall correctly is still a bit of a mystery

06:34:55 brendafdez: (:

07:05:09 mircea_popescu: brendafdez well, there's some talks to get the two bots talking to each other, but they're proceeding glacially.

07:05:27 mircea_popescu: so far assbot keeps its own thing, you can curl query it, look in the wiki/logs for examples.

07:34:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63000 @ 0.00031387 = 19.7738 BTC [-] {3}

07:58:28 brendafdez: Trying to reach that promised land of inbox 0 i unearthed an old message saying i had shares waiting for me on registration at CipherTrade. Towards the end of 2013 during the bubble, i had purchased a number of shares of CipherMine, because the issuer, Kate of memset, was also trans, hot and into women, so they couldn't possibly be a bad choice. I boght 90 of the things at some 4 LTC each. Each LTC was some 10 dollars at the time. I

07:58:28 brendafdez: expected to at least find enough for a beer or a coffee if I registered, claimed and liquidated the position.

07:59:00 brendafdez: Was greeted with this instead: "There is no historical trading data available for this security You own 90 shares of a total of 110000 listed on CipherTrade Best ask rate: N/A Best bid rate: N/A"

08:00:02 fluffypony: lol ciphertrade

08:00:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.0003116 = 5.5465 BTC [-] {2}

08:00:12 fluffypony: such a fail

08:01:24 brendafdez: At least the remaining 0.12 LTC which weren't enough to buy a full share are still there waiting. I see complains in the forum that withdrawals aren't being processed correctly, but it it goes through I might walk away almost with a full quarter

08:04:27 brendafdez: such pain. I'd need another 10x bubble already to recover what I lost doing this kind of things, but this one seems to be running late.

08:10:25 cazalla: brendafdez you're a dude?

08:12:11 fluffypony: cazalla: I gather from the "also trans" comment above that she's an ex-dude

08:12:20 *: fluffypony has no idea how genders work anymore

08:12:46 brendafdez: yo http://i.imgur.com/5tSSg2D.jpg

08:12:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cowqc0 )

08:13:15 fluffypony: hah hah

08:17:26 cazalla: brendafdez, ya don't really hold a candle to bailey jay but i guess you can pass

08:19:48 BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1

08:21:11 brendafdez: that's not me, i don't have a picture of myself in the mens room, but it was quite graphic. This is me for real: http://brendafernandez.com/aboutme/ and there are many many pictures in other places. Today Anon took the effort to out me in the fraudsters comments. But I prefer to take that pleasure away from people and out myself beforehand.

08:21:13 assbot: About me | Brenda Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoxrR6 )

08:23:11 cazalla: brendafdez, well you're not the first trans to come here, likely not even the second

08:24:00 brendafdez: So it was allinvain, I'm not getting the badge after all (?

08:26:10 indiancandy1: hi

08:27:00 cazalla: brendafdez, yeah, no badge for you, not sure where the other trans went, think he/she had drug problems or something, homeless too from memory

08:27:33 cazalla: indiancandy1, started camming yet?

08:28:16 indiancandy1: when today

08:32:30 cazalla: when ever i guess

08:33:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00030906 = 12.7642 BTC [-] {2}

08:34:32 brendafdez: indiancandy1, i could introduce you to titsforbitcoin

08:34:46 indiancandy1: introduce me

08:34:48 indiancandy1: please

08:34:55 indiancandy1: i thought mp was the only buyer

08:34:58 indiancandy1: on tits 4 btc

08:35:13 indiancandy1: is brenda a trans

08:35:40 indiancandy1: hi brenda

08:35:43 indiancandy1: im shanti dynaite

08:35:45 indiancandy1: dynamite

08:35:54 brendafdez: awesome, pleased to meet you

08:36:20 brendafdez: it's not that hard just sign up here https://www.titsforbitcoin.com/modeljoin you need the Flash crap thing but you likely already have it

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08:37:31 cazalla: indiancandy1, is that really you?

08:37:42 brendafdez: I'm not paying anyone to do this things, so maybe you're right that mp is the only paying (even then, it could be a very good idea...), I'm just doing because I want the ecosystem to grow

08:38:14 brendafdez: who? the one whose nick is the answer to your question?

08:38:20 mircea_popescu: an ecosystem eh ?

08:38:50 fluffypony: he said, nonchalantly

08:38:54 mircea_popescu: lol

08:39:00 mircea_popescu: you should do all my voiceovers!

08:39:14 fluffypony: hah hah

08:40:23 indiancandy1: what do you mean

08:40:29 indiancandy1: you want the ecosystem to grow

08:40:36 indiancandy1: do you show your boobs for btc

08:40:36 indiancandy1: ?

08:40:38 brendafdez: youst sign up already

08:40:42 indiancandy1: its small time money

08:40:48 brendafdez: it's fun

08:40:54 indiancandy1: what showing your breasts

08:40:56 indiancandy1: is fun?

08:41:12 indiancandy1: not when its a full time job

08:41:25 indiancandy1: my whole life consists of showing breasts

08:41:42 brendafdez: my full time job is feeding the scammers... therefore, an ecosystem

08:42:26 BingoBoingo: !b 6

08:42:27 assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1WGTE43.txt )

08:42:47 indiancandy1: you feed scammers?

08:42:50 indiancandy1: i dont get it

08:42:57 indiancandy1: sorry :(

08:43:22 indiancandy1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnYLTFta8L4

08:43:23 assbot: Shanti Dynamite's Nude Yoga Stunt | Check Out - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoAc4Z )

08:43:23 indiancandy1: thats me

08:46:09 BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: Oh, you have a wikipedia page. Even MP's got deleted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanti_Dynamite

08:46:11 assbot: Shanti Dynamite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoAybU )

08:46:24 indiancandy1: yea

08:46:25 indiancandy1: im famous

08:46:27 indiancandy1: and broke

08:46:28 indiancandy1: ahaha

08:46:31 indiancandy1: famous and broke

08:46:34 indiancandy1: such is life

08:46:40 indiancandy1: anyways im launching my adult site

08:46:41 indiancandy1: soon

08:46:41 cazalla: damn half greek eh, i'm not a fan of woggy girs

08:46:44 indiancandy1: to monetize

08:46:50 indiancandy1: whats woggy?

08:47:04 cazalla: ;;ud wog

08:47:04 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wog | By now it has greatly lost its sting, and many ethnic Australians have reclaimed it as a jocular term, with some cleverly riffing on it (e.g. 'clog wog' for a Dutchman, ...

08:47:24 indiancandy1: for a dutchman

08:47:27 indiancandy1: im not dutch

08:47:43 cazalla: nah, refer to aus english part, not british

08:47:55 cazalla: 1. a non-Anglo-Celtic European, esp. from Southern or Eastern Europe (e.g. Greek, Italian, Balkan, Slavic, etc.)

08:48:13 indiancandy1: well

08:48:18 indiancandy1: i dont care about your preference

08:48:23 indiancandy1: to be honest

08:48:27 indiancandy1: im not tryna fuck you so ,.

08:48:28 indiancandy1: BANG

08:48:40 fluffypony: you're so cool

08:48:46 fluffypony: I wish I was as cool as you

08:48:56 fluffypony: with your hardcore IDGAF attitude

08:49:02 fluffypony: #swag #yolo

08:49:25 cazalla: #selfie

08:49:50 Adlai: ʏᴏʟᴏ

08:50:01 Adlai: !up indiancandy1

08:50:13 fluffypony: 2L33T4ME

08:50:31 indiancandy1: LOL

08:50:35 indiancandy1: :P

08:50:41 indiancandy1: #selfie

08:50:44 indiancandy1: #belfie

08:51:00 indiancandy1: anywaays

08:51:09 indiancandy1: brenda

08:51:29 brendafdez: yes?

08:53:27 indiancandy1: are you cashing in?

08:53:51 indiancandy1: on the tits thing

08:57:08 brendafdez: no, for me it was a very brief experiment. I only did it once, and made what at the time were some 8 dollars. Not bad for an hour of time or so. I didn't intend to cash in doing camshows, but I had several friends who did take it more seriously, and they made more money than they would have othrewise, for a very low effort, some customers just wanted to hear them talk. All this was a long time ago, I see less activity on the site th

08:57:09 brendafdez: ese days, but trying couldn't hurt.

08:57:31 indiancandy1: i did it i made 60dollars for 1pic

08:57:49 indiancandy1: but if you want to cam dont cam for btc there is not enough people that use btc for you to earn in cam

08:58:10 indiancandy1: if you want to cam for money im sure you can earn also as your trans you fit into a niche try mfc ?

08:58:18 indiancandy1: or even adultwork maybe best for you

08:58:33 indiancandy1: you could earn 2 to 3 thousand dollars a month from home

08:58:59 mircea_popescu: re "Kate of memset" << o boy we did her here, i recall.

08:59:02 mircea_popescu: !s kate

08:59:03 assbot: 87 results for 'kate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kate

08:59:09 brendafdez: Also it youre on other websites like myfreecams, you can be on many at the same time. I don't want to cam, and if i did I would never market mysekf that way. I like aw. Ok, then if you earn that much great for you.

08:59:21 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/on-periphery-and-the-peripheral-ephemerides-are-also-mentioned/ etc

08:59:22 assbot: On periphery and the peripheral. Ephemerides are also mentioned. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bsy5b4 )

08:59:27 brendafdez: Anyway, I wasn't asking for advisse on how to market myself on cam sites, i thought it was you :P

09:00:21 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 dja make 2-3k ?

09:00:29 indiancandy1: dja?

09:00:33 mircea_popescu: do you

09:00:38 indiancandy1: i dont cam much

09:00:43 brendafdez: :D

09:00:44 indiancandy1: i just came back from india didnt i

09:00:49 indiancandy1: but before i did

09:00:53 indiancandy1: when i did full time

09:01:00 indiancandy1: well not full time you kno what i mean

09:01:39 indiancandy1: anyways im launching my site now and wil sell tease videos

09:02:10 mircea_popescu: orly ?

09:02:16 indiancandy1: and i wanna monetize on utube also as i see this videos on utube of me

09:02:25 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 you should talk to naphex if memory serves he was looking for models for a newsite.

09:02:27 indiancandy1: having like 500k hits just for cleavage etc

09:02:41 indiancandy1: where is he

09:02:50 mircea_popescu: ;;seen naphex

09:02:50 gribble: naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 6 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Naphex> o/

09:02:58 mircea_popescu: well apparently he's disappeared o.O

09:03:07 mircea_popescu: probably getting fucked to death.

09:03:12 indiancandy1: huh

09:04:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1054796 << http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/134654389322.png

09:04:21 assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 08:04:27; brendafdez: such pain. I'd need another 10x bubble already to recover what I lost doing this kind of things, but this one seems to be running late.

09:04:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoCvoA )

09:05:19 mircea_popescu: brendafdez so how did you get the idea you're really a dude ?

09:05:27 indiancandy1: huh

09:05:34 indiancandy1: i thought it was a male dressed as female

09:06:05 mircea_popescu: arguably.

09:06:18 brendafdez: dunno, they told me that i was male when they raised me, i thought they must know what they are saying...

09:06:57 BingoBoingo: !up Bagels7

09:07:19 mircea_popescu: oh im sorry. i meant to ask the other way.

09:07:21 mircea_popescu: shit's confusing.

09:07:30 mircea_popescu: so how did you get the idea you're really a broad ?

09:07:50 indiancandy1: omg mircea

09:07:52 brendafdez: shit's confusing

09:07:56 indiancandy1: i just remembered]

09:07:57 mircea_popescu: lol

09:08:05 indiancandy1: you know the adult tv show i work in

09:08:12 indiancandy1: basically they have a channel in romania

09:08:13 mircea_popescu: actually i don't, but go on.

09:08:24 indiancandy1: and the woman who runs it has the same surnma as you

09:08:30 indiancandy1: i was like i wonder if your related

09:08:31 mircea_popescu: haha, common enough.

09:08:33 mircea_popescu: sorta like patel.

09:08:38 indiancandy1: ohh

09:10:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1054818 << actually i dun think i ever was there

09:10:31 assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 08:34:55; indiancandy1: i thought mp was the only buyer

09:10:41 indiancandy1: ?

09:10:56 indiancandy1: i thought it was you

09:11:07 mircea_popescu: check it out, she's got a wiki page an' errything : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanti_Dynamite

09:11:08 assbot: Shanti Dynamite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoDm8S )

09:11:12 mircea_popescu: you're the woman now, bitch!

09:11:18 indiancandy1: sorry?

09:11:23 indiancandy1: you lost me here baby

09:11:36 mircea_popescu: "She has been adjudged as one of the 50 Sexiest Woman of Asia by British Newspaper Eastern Eye."

09:11:54 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 "you're the man now, dog" , aka ytmnd is this internet phenomenon

09:11:57 BingoBoingo: Also two movies coming out this year

09:12:02 mircea_popescu: in truth was big about the time you were 12.

09:12:35 indiancandy1: no

09:12:38 indiancandy1: thats bullshit

09:12:41 indiancandy1: ahah no movies :(

09:12:49 mircea_popescu: "Parents divorced at age of 9 years, so Sofia and mother move to London, UK It was hard settling in London it was cold and completely different to Africa. Sofia grew up in North West London and South West London in Brixton Angel Town one of the roughest areas in London. Sofia got into gang culture as a teenager and left school at 16 to join a hair and beauty school. Sofia grew up in low class area and her mother was wo

09:12:49 mircea_popescu: rking as a nurse but then salary did not cover living costs."

09:13:01 indiancandy1: why are you quoting my wiki page

09:13:12 mircea_popescu: check it out, she grew up rough in the streets of brixton!

09:13:14 BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: But IMDB said...

09:13:20 indiancandy1: i signed for them

09:13:26 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i dunno, mildly interesting.

09:13:31 indiancandy1: but i had problems with directors

09:13:35 BingoBoingo: Ah

09:13:37 indiancandy1: so didnt end up shooting

09:13:49 indiancandy1: so im back to being broke and famous

09:13:50 indiancandy1: OL

09:13:51 mircea_popescu: wait, you didn't end up shooting or they didn't end shooting up ?

09:13:51 indiancandy1: lol

09:14:22 indiancandy1: we didnt start the film yo

09:15:01 mircea_popescu: aha.

09:15:11 indiancandy1: yes dear

09:15:20 indiancandy1: i filmed my twerk video alst week

09:15:32 mircea_popescu: any good ?

09:15:32 indiancandy1: im waiting to see the end rsults its in post production

09:15:46 indiancandy1: hope it goes viral

09:16:13 mircea_popescu: not unless you do something outright bizarre.

09:16:19 indiancandy1: no in india

09:16:35 indiancandy1: come on if you look at videos of my cleavage on utube hving 500k hits

09:16:39 indiancandy1: indians are thirsty

09:16:47 indiancandy1: and no indian has done twerk video before

09:17:04 mircea_popescu: ah, then it might catch.

09:17:54 mircea_popescu: it's so funny to me, all of east asia is pretty much one dick split up to two or even three men. india, right next to it... those dudes are reasonably hung.

09:18:07 mircea_popescu: i imagine sino-indian conflict over the state of the pussy is inevitable.

09:19:15 indiancandy1: now i dont want to ask how or why you know that kind of ino

09:19:17 indiancandy1: info**

09:19:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1054880 << said he, pensively.

09:19:26 assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 08:48:46; fluffypony: I wish I was as cool as you

09:19:38 fluffypony: hah hah

09:19:41 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i have friends, they like to talk.

09:20:12 indiancandy1: about cock

09:20:14 indiancandy1: lovely

09:20:33 BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1

09:20:36 mircea_popescu: brendafdez: Not bad for an hour of time or so. << whadda ya do for a living anyway ?

09:20:54 indiancandy1: whose got instagram yo?

09:21:16 mircea_popescu: preppy kids, mostly.

09:21:36 indiancandy1: LOL

09:23:33 mircea_popescu: speaking of india, http://41.media.tumblr.com/2902864e96efd3672927519344c4612b/tumblr_mp7j05z2jW1rrh4y4o1_1280.jpg

09:23:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoEUzC )

09:23:35 brendafdez: used to sell smuggled electronics. Then I thought I had money bc bitcoin, abandoned the former thing and pretended that I could succesfully work as a bitcoin broker, I made some good deals but all in all I was a very lame person in charge of my own business and it sucked. Now I realize I don't have money nor business, still a couple of bitcoins to go, but things aren't looking bright. Sucks.

09:25:28 mircea_popescu: worst comes to worst, arbolito or something hm ?

09:25:28 indiancandy1: used to sell smuggled electronics

09:26:00 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 argentines are worse than indians, i think the only law respected here is the law of gravity.

09:28:28 indiancandy1: can you bribe there?

09:28:40 mircea_popescu: sure.

09:28:54 indiancandy1: like in india you can bribe cops with small money

09:28:58 brendafdez: where can't you? but yes, i bet we're really bad re:law

09:29:22 BingoBoingo: Sounds awesome

09:29:26 brendafdez: You can bribe a cop with fifty pesos here, like 4 dollars

09:29:39 mircea_popescu: well it also depends what you're having him do.

09:29:55 brendafdez: in this case it was for crossing a red light

09:31:05 mircea_popescu: sounds more like he was trying to hit on you. i think ~1mn people jaywalk each day

09:31:06 BingoBoingo: Here they'd beat you for a $50 bribe because insulting

09:31:17 brendafdez: i was with a friend, he sorted it out with the cop

09:31:35 indiancandy1: where do you live brenda

09:31:38 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's really like old new york, no fucking body cares what the lights say.

09:31:40 brendafdez: buenos aires

09:32:37 davout: mircea_popescu: "sounds more like he was trying to hit on you. i think ~1mn people jaywalk each day" <<< massive understatement, unless you mean jaywalk and get fined for it

09:32:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48150 @ 0.00032276 = 15.5409 BTC [+]

09:32:39 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah. I'm also guessing there you don't get SWAT called for okra

09:32:49 mircea_popescu: davout no, just meant in caba

09:32:54 brendafdez: not jaywalking, he was driving a car

09:32:54 davout: ah

09:35:12 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

09:35:16 gribble: Current Blocks: 347971 | Current Difficulty: 4.74275549506483E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 348767 | Next Difficulty In: 796 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 5 hours, 15 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46579597406.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.7879

09:35:50 indiancandy1: mp is in bueno aires

09:36:17 mircea_popescu: so i heard.

09:37:17 brendafdez: most arbolitos work for a certain broker, i couldn't do that, I was my own market basically, i had money on btc-e and bitstamp and made there the trades i made with people here otc, like for instance, someone buys 5 btc, i buy 5 btc on bitstamp/btc-e, someone sells 2 btc i sell 2 btc. That was the theory, of course there was a spread and to me one year ago that soiunded like it could work, and sometimes it did, but there were many u

09:37:17 brendafdez: nplanned issues. Also form what arbolitos tell me, they can basically do the trade at 'the cave' basically at the same time if they don't have both buyer and seller, and they are running out of money on one end. But I couldn't do that, there were times when I would in fact run out of money in the exchanges and had trades which i took at my own risk, and that was a very bad thing.

09:37:53 mircea_popescu: brendafdez this because you're in principle against being an employee ?

09:38:09 brendafdez: i am not

09:38:18 mircea_popescu: so then ? of course you work for someone.

09:38:31 mircea_popescu: that's how you learn to stop sucking at being your own boss, among other things

09:38:37 mircea_popescu: such as, how to give killer blowjobs.

09:38:46 brendafdez: maybe...

09:38:58 indiancandy1: ahahah mp always have to include something naughty

09:39:31 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 defo. it's the new world! raunchy an' rude.

09:40:26 indiancandy1: lol

09:40:36 indiancandy1: my nipple is in agony

09:41:21 mircea_popescu: send it off to shovel snow.

09:42:53 indiancandy1: this peircing is such a ... dont even knw the word

09:44:12 Adlai: nagony!

09:48:11 davout: nipple piercing... thinking about it is already painful

09:48:49 indiancandy1: yea but its been almost 1year

09:48:55 indiancandy1: and the god damn thing aint healed yet

09:49:07 davout: do you to keep it that bad?

09:49:34 davout: *do you want to keep it that bad?

09:50:11 brendafdez: There was much less risk involved when I would sell shit, it was easier also, and besides I could bring many things via post shipments form DX, eBay and such (so I could many times spare the middle man), and it was just listing on MercadoLibre (local ebay equivalent), and most would sell, there wasn't much a way I could lose money, only it the thing didn't sell. I had to go and wait hours at customs, many times if the items weren't

09:50:11 brendafdez: expensive they would let me go without paying bc they had more interesting stuff going on with other people, i had to go to the post or bus station and make shippments. In hindsight those were the good times and doing it wasn't hard. Then I started dabbling with bitcoin, I had been reading the forums on and off since 2011, i was too stupid then [not that it has changed] and cpu solo mined, made nothing, didn't get the thing. Then I

09:50:12 brendafdez: bought some bitcoins via The Rock and VirWox with Linden Dollars, in the beggining of 2013, which was would seem a lucky move, but I wasn't able to do much with that.

09:50:58 *: Adlai startled to find himself converging upon http://flarelang.sourceforge.net/idioms.html#classes

09:50:59 assbot: Idioms of Flare ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoIAl6 )

09:51:02 Adlai: !up indiancandy1

09:51:23 indiancandy1: shal i invest in btc

09:51:51 *: Adlai !upped you for that?

09:51:54 brendafdez: I had a couple of opportunities to work for/with someone else but they didn't seem like a good deal, for instance one of the local brokers who was then dealing even lower amounts than I was and who wasn't an intersting person, and had a past of dealing substances ("knew the street") offered to start a business together. I rejected the offer, it seemed more risky and not the kind of people I'd want ot be associated with

09:51:56 davout: didn't you just say you were broke?

09:52:33 Adlai: indiancandy1: as mircea_popescu loves to say, bitcoin is a priviledge for those who can afford to throw away some money. mostly because you'll find yourself incredibly averse to spending them, once you realize their value

09:53:28 Adlai: even if the value goes up, and saner voices suggest selling for a profit... you'll want it to go highir!

09:53:29 indiancandy1: but i dont get the technical part though

09:53:48 Adlai: which part of it?

09:54:12 kakobrekla: what room is this?

09:54:16 Adlai: (the technical side of bitcoin has several parts which solve different problems)

09:54:59 Adlai: kakobrekla: the sister advice to what i told indiancandy1 is that if you have any money to waste, waste it on btc :)

09:55:10 indiancandy1: i do have money to waiste

09:55:33 mircea_popescu: Adlai incredibly averse < experientia docent ? :)

09:55:39 indiancandy1: you should open a btc consultancy guys

09:55:41 Adlai: ja

09:56:04 brendafdez: either that or a rehab farm

09:56:10 mircea_popescu: <indiancandy1> and the god damn thing aint healed yet << nipple piercings are horribru for this reason.

09:56:16 Adlai: more like Assoholics Anonymous

09:56:56 BingoBoingo: !up cjc

09:56:58 kakobrekla: im not anon

09:57:04 BingoBoingo: ^

09:57:13 cjc: thx

09:57:18 Adlai: Asscoholics WoTonymous

09:57:34 Adlai: sorry, wotonimous

09:57:36 mircea_popescu: only noobs are anon

09:57:55 Adlai: (when in venice, spell as the roma do)

09:57:59 mircea_popescu: brendafdez it wouldn't be that fat derp what's his face

09:58:32 indiancandy1: hahahaha

09:58:45 indiancandy1: i feel like im kinda addicted to come here

09:58:51 indiancandy1: as i have no work with btc

09:58:56 brendafdez: his face?

09:59:39 mircea_popescu: digicoins.io

09:59:52 mircea_popescu: dante something

10:00:14 brendafdez: can't confirm nor deny, not here at least. This offer happened in mid 2013, before the digicoins name was even invented :P

10:00:22 mircea_popescu: heh.

10:00:26 mircea_popescu: such a fucking derp.

10:00:46 BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: Could be worse. At least you aren't the start meth lab in the aisle at Walmart sort of addict.

10:00:58 BingoBoingo: ;;google walmart methlab trend

10:00:59 gribble: Meth lab uncovered inside restroom at Indiana Walmart | Fox 59: http://fox59.com/2015/03/13/meth-lab-uncovered-inside-restroom-at-indiana-walmart/; Meth lab found inside Walmart restroom in Indiana | WGN-TV: http://wgntv.com/2015/03/13/meth-lab-found-inside-walmart-restroom-in-indiana/; You Can Find Anything at Walmart ... Even a Meth Lab: (1 more message)

10:01:03 indiancandy1: we dont have walmart here

10:01:10 mircea_popescu: it's asda all the way!

10:01:16 indiancandy1: omg you know!

10:01:26 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/14705de95fdc4ce07244e95aea28981f/tumblr_n0yzsaTPDe1s0yaxoo1_1280.jpg << this is how walmart looks in yurp

10:01:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ9Nfz )

10:02:25 indiancandy1: im not into drugs

10:02:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw re pheasant phuckers : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIu4fP4fOHE

10:02:41 assbot: Pinky and the Brain, Tongue Twister - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQa2av )

10:02:42 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 how come ?

10:03:31 indiancandy1: i prefer life sover

10:03:33 indiancandy1: sober

10:03:41 indiancandy1: i bet you get good cocaine in argentina

10:04:03 brendafdez: there's potential for regret about the things i'm saying here. Shit could end up hitting the fan, like it did with the cam thing.

10:04:21 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 so i hear.

10:04:42 mircea_popescu: brendafdez errything's logged.

10:05:02 brendafdez: yep

10:05:03 indiancandy1: do you dabble?

10:05:07 mircea_popescu: nah

10:05:13 mircea_popescu: im too rich to do drugs.

10:05:21 brendafdez: when will we have an oficial b-a miranda warning?

10:05:22 indiancandy1: not quite

10:05:29 indiancandy1: most rich people do drugs

10:05:40 indiancandy1: maybe rich in life :)

10:05:44 mircea_popescu: nah. that's poor people trying to see what it's like.

10:05:46 indiancandy1: to happy to need it

10:06:11 indiancandy1: im rich in life

10:06:15 indiancandy1: to do drugs

10:06:17 mircea_popescu: tits ?

10:06:18 BingoBoingo: The drugs thing and the bitcoin thing especially don't mix well

10:06:21 cjc: I surmised the ancient Egyptians had monoatomic gold which they snorted and ate --

10:06:43 cjc: and it increased the electromagnetic conductivity of their body system by 10,000 percent

10:06:48 cjc: that must have been like a drug

10:06:55 cjc: building the pyramids with their minds

10:07:10 mircea_popescu: o.O

10:07:19 mircea_popescu: superconducting pharoh.

10:07:37 cjc: yeah, monoatomic gold is a white powder not a metal

10:08:34 *: mircea_popescu looks through the logs, sees two womenz going "omfg you know" about wildly unrelated shit within the next 10 minutes

10:08:43 *: mircea_popescu figures he's getting a good deal on that intel dept.

10:09:41 brendafdez: ;)

10:09:58 Adlai: brendafdez: we call it the robert paulsen effect

10:10:00 Adlai: !s robert

10:10:00 assbot: 106 results for 'robert' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=robert

10:10:38 mircea_popescu: i thoughjt it was the hungarian spammer effect, robert vigh or w/e it was

10:10:57 Adlai: ;;google robert paulsen

10:10:57 gribble: Rob Paulsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Paulsen; His Name is Robert Paulson - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCi_PIz5ekU; Rob Paulsen - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0667326/

10:11:32 Adlai: youtube fixed my typo

10:12:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97300 @ 0.00032713 = 31.8297 BTC [+] {4}

10:12:19 Adlai: hah search.b-a is 3rd on google results for his name

10:12:21 mircea_popescu: !s robert viragh

10:12:21 assbot: 9 results for 'robert viragh' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=robert+viragh

10:12:48 brendafdez: i always think being the intel asset is a bad deal, for said asset that it. There always comes a point in which using that information is worth more than keeping the source.

10:13:11 mircea_popescu: this is an argument similar to "there always comes a point when a trusted party runs with the money"

10:13:16 mircea_popescu: this is not actually how life works.

10:13:24 brendafdez: thanks for pointing it out

10:13:31 Adlai: no, this is actually how cancer works

10:13:36 mircea_popescu: quite

10:14:58 mircea_popescu: for that matter, people who think in simple money terms end up outsourcing their industrial base to china and then wondering where the country went.

10:15:31 mircea_popescu: water is perhaps the best example of strict local optimizer. the water in your cup, much like the water in the hydroplant lake, would very much like to go lower, however... for lack of a direct path, there it stays.

10:15:38 mircea_popescu: easy to manipulate, easy to defeat. poor strat.

10:17:51 Adlai: water doesn't have a 'strategy' though, same way that corn didn't plan to enslave monkeys to grow more of it

10:18:12 mircea_popescu: well, it could be deemed to have a strategy , reducing to "pursue the shortest term maximal gain"

10:19:16 mircea_popescu: obviously this is not philosophically correct, but for our purpose here imo sufficient

10:19:20 Adlai: this is reducing the word 'strategy' to the same level as 'mobile strategy', 'social strategy', 'cloud strategy', etc

10:20:16 mircea_popescu: right

10:20:30 mircea_popescu: but this reduction is adequate given what's being contemplated here.

10:21:35 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

10:24:00 cazalla: http://www.xvideos.com/video6597817/shanti_sofia_redlightcentral_10.12.2013

10:24:00 assbot: Shanti Sofia RedLightCentral 10.12.2013 - XVIDEOS.COM ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQf9HC )

10:25:12 brendafdez: youtube-dl was the key to finally going flash-free, such a handy tool

10:25:36 mircea_popescu: cazalla anything good ?

10:26:09 cazalla: doesn't even remove knickers..

10:26:18 cazalla: such a tease, but never delivers the goods

10:27:18 cazalla: don't mind the darker areola, but that's on account pinks are in oversupply down under

10:27:49 mircea_popescu: isn't it unpatriotic to rub it to unenglish roses ?!

10:27:54 mircea_popescu: what'd the queen say!

10:28:48 cazalla: sif she hasn't had her way with the nigro garden over the years

10:28:57 cazalla: gardener even

10:29:00 mircea_popescu: ;;ud sif

10:29:01 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SIF | The SIF is quite adept at hiding his or her fat on the Internet. Usually a LiveJournal or MySpace user, they use Photoshop, high-constrast photos, and strategic ...

10:29:10 mircea_popescu: hm

10:29:16 cazalla: sif = as if

10:29:31 cazalla: perhaps australian thing, sif i'd know

10:31:46 brendafdez: cazalla, are you the guy i should contact if i want to steal from qntra?

10:32:10 cazalla: steal what? content?

10:32:17 brendafdez: yep :P

10:32:41 brendafdez: I've been translating a couple of articles http://brendafernandez.com/?s=qntra just three of them, not the press release with the cat poooping, for sure

10:32:42 assbot: qntra | Search Results | Brenda Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQgOgi )

10:32:56 cazalla: i would rather you didn't, but i'm not the type to play whack a mole by sending dmca takedowns

10:33:07 brendafdez: ok, just that, then i won't do it

10:33:22 brendafdez: just those three

10:33:44 cazalla: if you stick around, there is no reason why you couldn't write for qntra itself

10:33:55 brendafdez: but i like writing in spanish

10:34:57 brendafdez: if there aren't many sane voices in the english bitcoin space, imagine what it's like in spanish-land

10:35:13 cazalla: that's ok, perhaps we set you up as the spanish correspondent

10:35:19 mircea_popescu: it's a news site tho. i dun see it'd damage anything if she translates to spanish, provided something reasonable like say articles are a week old.

10:35:20 Adlai: there is also no reason why qntra qldn't issue shares for translations

10:35:47 brendafdez: so, qntra translations seemed cool :P, i atributed them, of course, but i know that's technically not enough

10:35:55 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i thought she meant copy/pasta word for word, english to spanish, i wouldn't have known unless she said so anyway

10:36:26 mircea_popescu: well if it's english to spanish it's necessarily not word for word, they use different words en castellan

10:36:31 Adlai: why not have language sections on qntra, with some lesser share issuence for translations?

10:36:43 mircea_popescu: Adlai because of the can of worms that "lesser share" opens

10:37:43 cazalla: if qntra were to ever publish in another language, chinesey and spanish would be the top 2 imo

10:37:53 mircea_popescu: prolly, yea

10:38:03 mircea_popescu: it is a huge language space, even if atm bitcoin poor.

10:38:11 Adlai: the only can opener in town belongs to qntra's editor in chief

10:38:24 mircea_popescu: Adlai nah, this is equity.

10:38:39 Adlai: ok, to the board, and they can put it to shareholder vote

10:38:44 Adlai: 3.2e

10:38:52 cazalla: brendafdez, anyway i only ask you refrain from reposting english articles, if you wish to translate ones to spanish, go for it but as mircea_popescu, perhaps give our own articles some time before doing so

10:38:53 mircea_popescu: shares don't vote, but anyway.

10:38:59 Adlai: http://mpex.ws/?mpsic=S.QNTR 3.2e !

10:39:00 assbot: S.QNTR last 9477@0.00021105 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CqVdxC )

10:39:28 mircea_popescu: (e) S.QNTR shares do not have voting rights. ?

10:39:34 cazalla: as he said i meant to say (i'm tired)

10:40:00 *: Adlai is baffled by this discouragement of widening the audience

10:40:15 mircea_popescu: how's anything discouraged!

10:43:43 cazalla: hardly discouraged, a writer would earn a good amount of s.qntr translating our english articles

10:44:23 mircea_popescu: yeah, brendafdez why not do it directly for qntra ? you got a gpg id now and errything

10:44:55 mircea_popescu: cazalla does she get half share for translation or what ?

10:45:02 cazalla: indiancandy1, looks like you were upstaged by another indian named baby doll? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1c7hx6_baby-doll-is-a-copy-of-shanti-dynamite_shortfilms

10:45:03 assbot: BABY Doll is a Copy of Shanti Dynamite - Video Dailymotion ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQjsCZ )

10:45:17 cazalla: mircea_popescu, to be discussed i guess

10:46:08 brendafdez: doing it directly for qntra would certainly be even better than just having permission to keep doing it on my own

10:46:33 mircea_popescu: brendafdez for that matter, you're fluent enough in english, can write news in english too

10:46:38 mircea_popescu: iirc cazalla was always short hands

10:47:11 brendafdez: but i don't like english ;) just wait until I've spent a few more btc and then I'll take anything :D

10:47:39 cazalla: bwahaa "The hot and sensuous Playboy host Shanti Dynamite has become the first Indian to get her nipples pierced and has thus created history."

10:47:42 mircea_popescu: last guy that liked english lived in like 1890

10:47:58 mircea_popescu: is that even true indiancandy1 ?!

10:48:11 mircea_popescu: i thought india fucking invented piercing, spread to arabs from there.

10:48:15 cazalla: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1x96xc_shanti-dynamite-s-painful-piercing-exclusive-coverage_news

10:48:17 assbot: Shanti Dynamite's Painful Piercing - Exclusive Coverage - Video Dailymotion ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQk4bL )

10:48:42 indiancandy1: wasim shower

10:48:46 indiancandy1: was in shower

10:48:52 indiancandy1: what happened

10:48:55 mircea_popescu: there's worse places.

10:49:00 indiancandy1: lol

10:50:06 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 so are you earning 0.1 btc with your tits that made history yet ?

10:50:48 indiancandy1: whats 0.1

10:50:55 mircea_popescu: i dunno, like 30 bux

10:51:02 indiancandy1: i make more babes

10:51:04 indiancandy1: come on

10:51:20 mircea_popescu: aww

10:51:28 mircea_popescu: i guess gotta wait for btc to go up moar.

10:52:13 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

10:52:50 indiancandy1: i dont use btc

10:52:53 indiancandy1: for work

10:53:02 Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055074 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-w7SnQWwVA

10:53:02 assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 09:53:29; indiancandy1: but i dont get the technical part though

10:53:03 assbot: Bitcoin - Overview - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQl2EK )

10:55:06 indiancandy1: i mean like if i buy bitcoin

10:55:17 indiancandy1: i gota constantly watch it and stuff i dont even know how to count just about

10:55:28 indiancandy1: so if i cant count normal numbers cant surely cant btc

10:55:33 mircea_popescu: you don;'t have to watch it, think of it as your retirement.

10:55:40 mircea_popescu: what you gonna do when you're old ?

10:55:56 indiancandy1: no clue

10:55:58 cazalla: she's gonna be a young starlet forever!

10:56:02 indiancandy1: ahaha never

10:56:06 mircea_popescu: lol

10:56:17 Adlai: well, you do need to watch out that you don't use bad security practices; the equivalent of not leaving wads of cash lying around in a busy restaurant when you go to the bathroom

10:56:24 indiancandy1: this guy who has a tv show on sahara 1 called kismat connections

10:56:33 indiancandy1: basically a fotune teller type neurology fellow

10:56:44 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 lemme show you something. http://fraudsters.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#comment-112932 << bunch of dumb cocksuckers on a stripper forum were offered 1 btc free in 2012, wouldn't take it. was >1000 dollars.

10:56:45 assbot: Various kinds of stickiness pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CqXrwO )

10:56:45 indiancandy1: told me i will have to overcome major obstacles but i will be succesful

10:56:46 Adlai: but if you've used good security initially, you don't need to "watch over" your bitcoin

10:56:54 brendafdez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYSEwwOt_ic

10:56:56 assbot: No One Understands Bitcoins [Garlic Jackson Comedy] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CqXtVy )

10:57:01 mircea_popescu: today's 0.1 btc may well be a fortune in a few years.

10:57:20 Adlai: brendafdez: hey now, i linked the 10min khanacademy, not the five-hours-and-counting princeton lectures

10:57:29 indiancandy1: the girls vagina on the left looks like a donner kebab

10:57:37 indiancandy1: to much meat going on

10:57:43 brendafdez: (:

10:57:45 cazalla: i don't mind that indiancandy1 :)

10:57:55 indiancandy1: mircea you look like lincoln

10:57:58 indiancandy1: in ur pic

10:58:53 cazalla: media might have you believe its men pushing women into labiaplasty but there you go, proof positive it's other bitches

10:58:57 indiancandy1: i read something about a 13 yr old not being laid

10:59:03 indiancandy1: wtf who condones such shit

10:59:25 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i was going more for lenin

10:59:30 indiancandy1: it has a flower

10:59:35 indiancandy1: growing in between her legs

10:59:48 indiancandy1: creature

10:59:52 indiancandy1: growler

10:59:55 indiancandy1: O GOD

11:00:00 mircea_popescu: you been showering in whiskey hon ?

11:00:28 cazalla: just the thought eh BingoBoingo

11:00:50 mircea_popescu: cazalla try it sometime, drink champagne offa da twists.

11:01:16 cazalla: ;;ud twists

11:01:17 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twist | twist. a derogatory term used for someone who gets their kicks by playing mind games or toys with people's hearts. So she lead me on and then told me she was  ...

11:01:31 mircea_popescu: nah, irish for chick. like bird, ride is english for same.

11:01:41 cazalla: akay

11:01:50 indiancandy1: lmao

11:01:57 indiancandy1: i like ur dress sense mp

11:02:01 mircea_popescu: and ironically, cunt = guy.

11:02:05 mircea_popescu: why ty.

11:02:10 indiancandy1: cunt means pussy

11:02:25 mircea_popescu: nah.

11:02:31 cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah we use cunt here often

11:02:41 mircea_popescu: ;;google bigby was a hard cunt, but he wasn;t hard enough he didn't shit it at the thought of 20 years in gaol.

11:02:42 gribble: Trainspotting (1996) - Quotes - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117951/quotes; Previously On: The Wolf Among Us - "Cry Wolf" - Giant Bomb: http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/the-wolf-among-us-242094/previously-on-the-wolf-among-us-cry-wolf-1489157/; To all the people who shot ***** - Telltale Community - Telltale Games: (1 more message)

11:02:53 cazalla: hence http://www.quickmeme.com/img/df/df1550588e4f322cdd9de8ab8c8d942f3616c06ab06764d7219734294389450b.jpg

11:02:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQn7kf )

11:03:19 davout: cazalla: lol

11:03:29 davout: such downunderness

11:03:56 indiancandy1: mp you should invest in me

11:03:56 indiancandy1: :)

11:04:07 cazalla: apparently cunt is quite offensive in the us

11:04:11 indiancandy1: btw did you watch 50shades

11:04:13 mircea_popescu: but your best assets are goingdown not up.

11:04:18 mircea_popescu: nah.

11:05:12 indiancandy1: aahahah

11:05:22 indiancandy1: u got jokes

11:05:30 mircea_popescu: :)

11:05:52 mircea_popescu: cazalla only to pussies.

11:06:29 indiancandy1: cunt is very british

11:06:31 indiancandy1: word

11:07:31 mircea_popescu: alrighty cuties, i'll be off to go watch 50 shades of gray live.

11:07:45 indiancandy1: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

11:07:47 indiancandy1: where my invite

11:08:00 indiancandy1: take pics

11:26:11 davout: for my fellow dutch speakers http://i47.tinypic.com/15mdagw.jpg

11:26:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQtcgl )

11:27:52 brendafdez: doesn't the throat suffer from speaking dutch all day?

11:30:33 davout: :D

11:31:41 davout: i speakk french all day, kind of ashamed of my dutch atm

11:35:43 brendafdez: back before i lost my German to rust, i would hear people speak dutch and it felt like the broken dialect of those who couldn't speak with the mouth

11:36:08 brendafdez: the same happens to me with portuguese, which i walways perceive as broken spanish

11:37:27 davout: yeah, to me a german speaker sounds like a dutch speaker on cocaine

11:38:12 brendafdez: interesting stuff

11:39:41 brendafdez: cocaine, i mean

11:41:30 davout: lol

11:42:07 davout: does anyone here have stable nodes that I can add in my bitcoin.conf?

12:10:22 danielpbarron: height=283309 vs height=211544

12:42:22 danielpbarron: ;;later tell mod6 http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5.txt << what's that thing you want me to do? I commented out "strip bitcoind"

12:42:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bdnoUM )

12:42:23 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:42:40 chetty: http://venturevillage.eu/curiosity-and-ignorance

12:42:41 assbot: Curiosity and Ignorance (Or – Why expat life appeals to your inner child) ... ( http://bit.ly/1bdnn2V )

12:52:00 danielpbarron: !up shinohai

12:59:02 shinohai: ty danielpbarron. how goes it in the land of #bitcoin-assets

13:07:00 danielpbarron: it goes alright

13:07:13 danielpbarron: what brings you here?

13:23:34 danielpbarron: !up shinohai

13:24:23 shinohai: I lurk in here from time to time and read logs. Good community fr me to stay informed regarding bitcoin.

13:38:03 Adlai: better open your mouth and be corrected an idiot, than remain silent and drift about

13:47:51 shinohai: lol true.

13:48:17 shinohai: i am a bit of a bitcoin purist

13:50:24 kakobrekla: altcryptoextremist? allah akbar!

13:51:28 shinohai: I'm more if it isn't broke, why fix it kind of guy.

13:58:19 danielpbarron: !up shinohai

14:01:52 danielpbarron: shinohai, are you familiar with GPG?

14:03:07 chetty: <shinohai> I'm more if it isn't broke, why fix it kind of guy.// more of these needed in the world

14:30:17 nubbins`: chetty also more "if it's broke, fix it" people needed

14:30:36 nubbins`: man, that's a good cup of coffee.

14:33:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00030874 = 8.5212 BTC [-]

14:40:44 mod6: danielpbarron: hi, so it looks like you built OpenSSL, BDB and Boost I'm guessing by the look of that log file? Now it looks like you need to compile bitcoin v0.5.3.1

14:41:31 mod6: What arch are you on x32|x64?

14:42:22 mod6: Anyway, if x32 ( I remember this had problems last week ) I'd be awesome if you could execute: `readelf --dynamic bitcoin/src/bitcoind`, but you have to have bitcoind built first.

14:42:31 mod6: s/I'd/It'd/

14:43:07 danielpbarron: that was the auto.sh thing

14:43:19 mod6: Sorry?

14:43:20 danielpbarron: the one linked on the front page of the foundation

14:43:37 mod6: I still don't follow.

14:44:03 mod6: Yeah, I linked the auto.sh script (v0.0.5) + signature to the website.

14:45:00 mod6: oh, I see what you did. heheh. Yeah, you need to have a directory of patched v0.5.3.1 source in 'bitcoin' first.

14:45:14 mod6: then place auto.sh in the same directory as 'bitcoin', then execute.

14:45:21 nubbins`: is this an arm cross-compile on x(32/64)?

14:45:28 mod6: nubbins`: no.

14:45:30 nubbins`: k

14:45:35 *: nubbins` wanders

14:45:50 mod6: v0.5.3.1-release is going to be x64 linux only.

14:46:03 nubbins`: proper thing

14:46:22 mod6: anyway, i'm in the process for rolling this release, so part of what I'm doing is putting the scripts required to build (such as auto.sh) on the website for reference.

14:46:42 nubbins`: i got bogged down last night trying to cross-compile arch linux for the pogo. osx is no fun

14:47:01 nubbins`: well. resolving clang/gcc incompatibilities is no fun

14:47:02 mod6: *nod*, yeah i truthfully don't know much about the entire pogo thing.

14:47:20 nubbins`: if i had a vanilla linux box here, it'd likely be no sweat

14:48:06 nubbins`: binutils really doesn't like clang

14:48:47 mod6: <+kakobrekla> altcryptoextremist? allah akbar! << lol

14:50:24 mod6: danielpbarron: so yeah, some extra instructions up there probably would have helped huh. i'll de-link those later.

14:50:43 mod6: i have this idea in my mind that people know what stuff is i guess.

14:50:52 mod6: turns out, lol, that's not true.

14:52:16 mod6: the release tarball will end up being linked up there. and the containing RELEASE_NOTES.txt file will point to the patch/script tarballs up there just so they're availble individually somewhere.

14:52:42 mod6: speaking of which, with any luck, I might have RC1 rolled by late tonight.

14:53:17 mod6: it'd would be cool, when i give you guys a link, if you could pull it down, and build it. (if you have a linux x64 machine, if not, don't bother)

14:55:46 nubbins`: i'll try it here just for badness

15:00:17 mod6: sweet nubbins`, thanks.

15:00:23 nubbins`: np

15:00:34 mod6: could be tonight, tomorrow on MPEx's birthday at the latest.

15:01:17 thestringpuller: mod6: is going to be x64 linux only << Why you disenfranchising 32bit users!

15:01:50 nubbins`: may not be linux but it's still POSIX compliant 8)

15:02:07 nubbins`: since 10.6! i had no idea)

15:02:15 mod6: for some reason, the only person built it on x32, and it didn't work. and I don't have time to work on that.

15:02:32 mod6: patches are welcome if you want to work on that.

15:02:43 mod6: otherwise that'll be available at a later time.

15:02:56 danielpbarron: why does everyone have 64 now?

15:04:09 mod6: bah. *only one person built it on x32

15:05:04 nubbins`: danielpbarron 'cos it's 2015 :/

15:06:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45282 @ 0.00031566 = 14.2937 BTC [+]

15:07:01 mod6: anyway, it certainly is a goal to support x32. it'll just be in the next release. this has been dragging out too long.

15:07:13 mod6: need to get this one wrapped up.

15:07:32 nubbins`: ^

15:07:39 nubbins`: finish making the suit before you hem the pants

15:08:19 mod6: *nod* and as previously discussed, we'll be doing shorter release cycles going forward. none of this 4.5 month type stuff if possible.

15:09:07 mod6: bottom line here is, we don't wanna paint ourselves into a corner. so we're going to work towards shorter releases.

15:15:51 nubbins`: early/often is the way to go

15:26:39 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-rage-of-cultural-elites.html << [guest article] mega-l0l on 'colour revolutions', 'orcs vs humans' dynamic, zombie hordes of victoria nulands, and other joys of modern geodiddlomatics and usgmancy

15:26:41 assbot: ClubOrlov: The Rage of the Cultural Elites ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrL2Jb )

15:26:41 gribble: Error: "guest" is not a valid command.

15:27:23 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-rage-of-cultural-elites.html << (guest article) mega-l0l on 'colour revolutions', 'orcs vs humans' dynamic, zombie hordes of victoria nulands, and other joys of modern geodiddlomatics and usgmancy

15:27:23 assbot: ClubOrlov: The Rage of the Cultural Elites ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrLas1 )

15:27:23 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:29:02 asciilifeform: 'The Victoria Nuland clone army, like a cruel, evil, insidious high school rumor, like the reflection of a witch?s face in a polluted river, spread and flew into every crevice and corner of this land, high and low, far and wide. We encounter her avatars and lookalikes everywhere?in Hollywood, in the publishing houses, universities, school boards, kindergartens, in elevators on the way to our offices, and of course, on the

15:29:02 asciilifeform: pages of the Washington Post and the New York Times.'

15:31:36 chetty: G4 magnetic storm for you guys in the northern Hemi, might want to unplug anything that doesnt have a surge protector

15:32:49 asciilifeform: 100% inverter-power here (the mains current in this town is, well, soviet-grade)

15:34:45 chetty: somehow I knew asciilifeform would be fully ready :D

15:55:33 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990074.msg10802175#msg10802175

15:55:34 assbot: CanaryInTheMine is further abusing the trust system [Edit] ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRCUz4 )

15:55:40 nubbins`: hay look mircea_popescu got paraphrased

15:57:54 *: thestringpuller refreshes contravex

16:03:51 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: lol working on it ;)

16:04:17 pete_dushenski: cobbling through my plane ride notes

16:05:51 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu how could i miss that nice argentinean girl's flattering translation ?

16:05:51 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:14:12 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: back in canadia-land?

16:26:17 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: indeed!

16:26:24 pete_dushenski: and a little more tanned than usual

16:26:28 pete_dushenski: i'm not much for the beach

16:27:10 pete_dushenski: but the hotel had a couple of tennis courts and the head pro was a beauty so i played with him for a few hours here and there

16:27:58 pete_dushenski: he trains the national junior squad, one of whom we even had as our ball boy !

16:28:18 pete_dushenski: i'd never had a ball boy before and it. was. sweet.

16:29:47 pete_dushenski: desmond brown was the name of the pro

16:29:52 thestringpuller: lol i have a few jamaican coworkers

16:30:02 thestringpuller: i constantly troll them cause they write Visual C#

16:30:03 pete_dushenski: i'd almost go back just to hang out with him

16:30:13 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: lol those rastas!

16:30:14 thestringpuller: were you there on spring breaka

16:30:56 pete_dushenski: sorta kinda but really more just a(nother) trip

16:31:02 pete_dushenski: i'm not in school

16:31:24 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: retired traveller

16:31:25 thestringpuller: lol

16:31:59 pete_dushenski: only semi!

16:32:22 pete_dushenski: there's quite the jamaican diaspora

16:32:44 pete_dushenski: here it's nurses, some places i guess it's coders

16:32:51 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: where do you live again ?

16:33:21 pete_dushenski: all i remember is somewhere in usia

16:33:48 pete_dushenski: the interesting part of the jamaican diaspora is that... they go back after a few decades!

16:34:05 pete_dushenski: strangest diaspora i ever did hear of

16:36:25 thestringpuller: i live in the lost city of Atlanta

16:36:55 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell peterl as if scoopbot's continued ignorance of contravex weren't enough... " Warning: file_get_contents(http://bablogs.btcscoop.com/blogroll.cgi) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 504 Gateway Time-out in /home/btcscoop/public_html/bablogs/index.php on line 8" on bablogs.btcscoop.com

16:36:56 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:37:05 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: ah yes, ty

16:37:26 thestringpuller: oh wow the scoop is down!

16:37:42 pete_dushenski: mya

16:40:01 thestringpuller: alright pete_dushenski I will talk to you soon. I'm off to brave the traffic for lunch.

16:40:09 thestringpuller: i'll keep refreshing contravex ;)

16:40:17 pete_dushenski: cheers mate!

17:18:47 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2z8j78/i_introduced_bitcoin_to_a_room_full_of_people_and/

17:18:49 assbot: I introduced Bitcoin to a room full of people and was applauded : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/19wnLsM )

17:18:58 nubbins`: no need to click, all relevant info in page title.

17:19:09 nubbins`: FWIW, 541 upvotes

17:19:48 nubbins`: "You're doing a great service to this community. Thank you."

17:22:01 pete_dushenski: "Bitcoin can power the Internet of Things (IoT). Vending machines could order their own new merchandise, replacement parts, etc. Self-driving cars could pay for faster lanes, toll roads, etc. to speed up your trip (borrowed that idea from a Winklevoss talk)." << goodness gracious

17:23:12 pete_dushenski: "Everything is tiny in the grand scheme!" << hey, reddit commenter understands his own impotence. progress!

17:40:41 davout: http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/someone-did-a-shit-so-bad-a-british-airways-flight-had-to-turn-around-and-land-475

17:40:42 assbot: Someone On a British Airways Plane Took a Shit So Bad That It Had to Turn Around and Come Back Again | VICE | Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/19wrpD4 )

17:46:27 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: brave the traffic for lunch?

17:46:37 ben_vulpes: cars are just such a bad idea.

18:14:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00032681 = 13.4482 BTC [+]

18:25:24 Adlai: who are the golang fanboys here? artifexd etal, anyoya read CSP or some of the descendant literature?

18:29:10 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/17/primitivity-and-advancement/

18:29:14 assbot: Primitivity and advancement. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gk7wJI )

18:32:16 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPIvqJsCOSo << wences

18:32:18 assbot: Bitcoin: The New Gold Standard - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lpl3pK )

18:32:38 Adlai: pete_dushenski: what's that mural

18:33:15 pete_dushenski: it's in melbourne at the central train terminal

18:33:48 pete_dushenski: flinders street railway station

18:34:20 pete_dushenski: opened in 1854 though the mural is a newer addition

18:38:12 *: Adlai likes it, too bad it's in foster's hellhole

18:39:15 pete_dushenski: like foster the beer ? or...

18:39:25 Adlai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster%27s_rule

18:39:27 assbot: Foster's rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpodK8 )

18:40:47 pete_dushenski: "he proposed the simple explanation that smaller creatures get larger when predation pressure is relaxed (due to the absence of some of the predators of the mainland) and larger creatures become smaller when food resources are limited (due to land area constraints)."

18:41:02 Adlai: except in the case of australia, where everything gets larger

18:41:08 Adlai: thus - hellhole.

18:41:30 pete_dushenski: eh not sure i buy this "rule"

18:42:17 Adlai: good thing it's not for sale!

18:42:24 pete_dushenski: no doubt that oz has some large spiders and whatnot

18:42:56 Adlai: fwiw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_gigantism#Examples

18:42:58 assbot: Island gigantism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LppReN )

18:43:10 Adlai: this is a "rule" in the same sense that evolution is "more than just a theory"

18:43:27 Adlai: simplest known explanation for the observed facts

18:44:13 pete_dushenski: why grow larger when predation pressure is reduced though ?

18:44:22 pete_dushenski: why not just multiply in greater numbers ?

18:44:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 100 @ 0.04000001 = 4 BTC [-] {5}

18:44:42 pete_dushenski: dinosaurs were freaking enormous and had plenty of predation pressures

18:45:21 pete_dushenski: it seems to me that diversity and complexity explain smaller animals

18:46:01 pete_dushenski: that is, more diversity and complexity in an environment will lead to smaller, more nimble animals with shorter gestations

18:46:04 Adlai: it's an adjustment of the available organisms to the available niches

18:46:31 Adlai: you don't always get larger animals, foster's rule just talks about _change_

18:47:21 Adlai: although a medium predator which migrates to a new land where it's the largest predator will find little resistance in becoming a stronger, larger, etc predator (up to a point, but that point will be larger than its current size)

18:47:58 pete_dushenski: you might see more diversity in the new environment but why larger and stronger ?

18:48:06 pete_dushenski: it's already large and strong enough to be top dog

18:48:33 pete_dushenski: it'd be expensive to support a larger organism and might crush the supporting food web

18:48:44 Adlai: these fresh arrivals came from a place where they experienced downwards pressure from larger predators

18:48:50 pete_dushenski: right

18:49:02 pete_dushenski: and now they're in a new environment without said pressures

18:49:12 Adlai: their size upon arrival is already the product of those expenses, but together with additional competition from larger animals, forcing them further down

18:49:38 pete_dushenski: maybe down in numbers but why also down in size ?

18:50:06 pete_dushenski: why aren't there then mini-zebras roaming the serengetti

18:50:07 Adlai: smaller organisms are more efficient

18:50:16 Adlai: ... up to a point

18:50:45 Adlai: (muscle power varies by the cross-sectional area, but the weight it must move varies by the volume)

18:51:41 Adlai: in general though these are all nonlinear advantages, and their nonlinearity varies among ecosystems

18:52:08 pete_dushenski: granted

18:52:25 chetty: <<< still wonders how dinosaurs even walked ...wouldn't they need steel bones to hold up all that mass?

18:52:32 Adlai: slowly.

18:53:08 Adlai: the ones that ran - velocipator, orinthomimus - weren't larger than say a stallion

18:53:47 mircea_popescu: ^

18:53:50 mircea_popescu: and for good reason, too.

18:53:55 mircea_popescu: mostly to do with cooling.

18:54:23 pete_dushenski: ya, i don't suppose dinos sweated

18:56:24 mircea_popescu: nope. reptiles generally work on the principle of the wound spring in more than one respect.

18:56:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ironically enough, i consider myself cultural elites. cause if not that, wtf else.

18:57:28 mircea_popescu: i get it that everyone everywhere, say the derps on argentina, or the derps on the internet exactly alike and exactly for the same reasons identifies as this "workman" bullshit.

18:57:47 mircea_popescu: but for one thing it's bullshit and for the other thing, it doesn't really wash.

18:57:48 pete_dushenski: reptiles: springs, mammals: internal combustion

18:58:07 mircea_popescu: workable analogy imo.

18:58:39 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: what's your take on this "foster's rule" thing ?

18:59:02 mircea_popescu: seems to fit the data.

19:00:14 pete_dushenski: hm ok, i'll take

19:00:42 pete_dushenski: "Compliance startup Chainalysis was forced to defend itself today after allegations its surveillance tactics had disrupted services and threatened the privacy of bitcoin users.

19:00:42 pete_dushenski: The Swiss company, headed by ex-Kraken COO Michael Grønager and former Mycelium engineer Jan Møller, created over 250 'false' bitcoin nodes to harvest information on the whereabouts of transactions. The firm claims these nodes have now been shut down."

19:01:05 mircea_popescu: heh.

19:01:06 pete_dushenski: ^cazalla BingoBoingo thestringpuller

19:01:14 mircea_popescu: "we got better at hiding them nao"

19:01:34 pete_dushenski: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978088.msg10771025#msg10771025

19:01:34 assbot: Is someone monitoring large parts of the network? (evidence+firwall rules) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpyBl9 )

19:01:36 mircea_popescu: really there was absolutely no reason (apart from their tim swansonesque contemptuous idiocy) to make the nodes visible.

19:02:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : "It so happened that my aunt, then a sensitive and somewhat dreamy young woman, had stubbornly and haplessly clung to certain musical tastes which at that time in China came to be regarded as politically incorrect, being said, in the trendy ideological jargon of that time, to reflect ?decadent bourgeois revisionist aesthetics.? To wit, my aunt had kept in her record collection a rendition of ?The

19:02:08 mircea_popescu: Urals Mountain-Ash” (Уральская Рябинушка), a Russian folk song in which a young girl meets two nice boys under a mountain-ash tree and must choose between them"

19:02:27 mircea_popescu: i agree with the chinese. the part where the young girl chooses is utterly burgeois, and the part where a choice is made is definitely reactionary.

19:04:46 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: have nodes always been "visible" ?

19:05:11 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski not the point. the point is that if you make a spy node, you have no conceivable reason to make it act outwardly in any way other than a common node.

19:05:38 mircea_popescu: these were fucking broken, mostly because the "Swiss company" is a bunch of poor ass niggards with delusions of grandeur.

19:06:09 mircea_popescu: "in 1972, which culminated in Nixon's historic handshake with Mao Zedong, completing China's civilizational pivot away from the USSR and toward the west. In hindsight, this dramatic opening could only be properly characterized as a swift dagger-in-the-back against the USSR"

19:06:51 mircea_popescu: motherfucker, these ignorant clods. asciilifeform srsly, cluborlov is this collection of almanach-educated twerps.

19:06:56 nubbins`: niggards!

19:07:01 nubbins`: that's more germanic of you than usual

19:07:13 mircea_popescu: ;;google niggardly

19:07:14 gribble: Controversies about the word "niggardly" - Wikipedia, the free ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22; Urban Dictionary: niggardly: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=niggardly; Niggardly - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ...: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/niggardly

19:07:35 mircea_popescu: i guess swedish counts as german.

19:07:35 pete_dushenski: such controversy

19:07:52 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski no but it is typical of what i'm talking about.

19:08:02 mircea_popescu: some people who don't own a dictionary got opinions about the usage of words.

19:08:12 mircea_popescu: some people who don't own a history book gather on a blogspot to emit nonsense.

19:08:15 mircea_popescu: same principle.

19:08:50 pete_dushenski: likewise, some people who don't own a bitcoin gather around a reddit to imagine they matter

19:08:58 mircea_popescu: and on and on and fucking on it goes!

19:09:35 nubbins`: again:

19:09:35 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2z8j78/i_introduced_bitcoin_to_a_room_full_of_people_and/

19:09:37 assbot: I introduced Bitcoin to a room full of people and was applauded : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpCdnn )

19:09:37 mircea_popescu: virgins experts in dating, dependent adolescents experts in "making money", otakus writing books on how to meet and influence people, etc etc etc.

19:09:37 pete_dushenski: only the cultists see the light eh

19:10:07 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: once was enough

19:10:09 nubbins`: nevermind that this is not evidence of the awesomeness of bitcoin, but of the fact that the audience was at least feigning politeness

19:10:10 Adlai: mircea_popescu: what's your take on this "what's your take" thing?

19:10:14 mircea_popescu: nubbins` clearly if he was applauded by a whole roomfull of people he's not a total failure.

19:10:18 nubbins`: right?

19:10:22 nubbins`: ultimate validation

19:10:23 mircea_popescu: Adlai i dunno.

19:10:25 nubbins`: he probably took a bow

19:11:15 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i once took a girl out to the very nice theatre in my home town, 1800s baroque building, and we sat in the presidential seats and at some point i started applauding

19:11:20 mircea_popescu: and the whole fucking hall started applauding

19:11:30 mircea_popescu: she was... a little unraveled.

19:11:34 mircea_popescu: (tru story, too)

19:11:51 mircea_popescu: but it was a coincidence.

19:12:33 nubbins`: not bad

19:12:36 Adlai: dev behind popular open-source-closed-dev spv wallet is also behind a sybil attack to correlate transactions with jurisdictions... so that's why local trader is so cheap!

19:12:41 nubbins`: i started a slow-clap once that spread to about 7k people

19:13:06 mircea_popescu: Adlai heh.

19:13:14 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's infectious, right ?

19:13:19 nubbins`: nod

19:13:30 nubbins`: esp. if you look around and nod while you're doing it

19:13:33 Adlai: was the theater clap not at a typical claptime?

19:13:39 mircea_popescu: these weren't even 1k, and romanians are very herdy animals, and were more so back then.

19:13:46 mircea_popescu: Adlai was not.

19:14:32 mircea_popescu: so i'm having cognac and chocolate cookies for breakfast at 3pm. this can't be bad for me, can it ?

19:14:42 Adlai: doesn't have to be 'coincidence' though, could just be that you reacted fastest out of all the clappy folk, giving the illusion of causality/coincidence

19:15:08 Adlai: long as the choclate's dark

19:15:18 mircea_popescu: Adlai the bit was to my taste, which is why i clapped. my tastes are rather... odd, but i guess it's possibru.

19:15:23 mircea_popescu: it is, yes.

19:22:15 mircea_popescu: brendafdez: the same happens to me with portuguese, which i walways perceive as broken spanish << to me it sounds like a bunch of russians trying to pretend they're speaking latin.

19:24:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055359 << lol @ the problems this dude has.

19:24:57 assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 14:03:07; chetty: <shinohai> I'm more if it isn't broke, why fix it kind of guy.// more of these needed in the world

19:25:54 mircea_popescu: "Citizens ask for permission, expats ask for forgiveness" << maybe he should ask for a nailgun.

19:26:42 Adlai: I Asked For A Railgun But All I Got Was This Northop-Grumman T-Shirt

19:27:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055381 << check it out, we fixed an apple fanboi!

19:27:27 assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 14:46:42; nubbins`: i got bogged down last night trying to cross-compile arch linux for the pogo. osx is no fun

19:27:40 nubbins`: hey now

19:27:51 mircea_popescu: next we're gonna be fixing fags and jews.

19:27:51 nubbins`: watch who you're calling a fanboi!

19:28:08 mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-aryan

19:29:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055382 << having never looked at those, what % would you say are deliberate / marketing dept induced, and what % are inept / engineering dept induced ?

19:29:06 assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 14:47:01; nubbins`: well. resolving clang/gcc incompatibilities is no fun

19:29:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055388 << and your excuse would be that it's perl anyway, right ? :D

19:29:54 assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 14:50:43; mod6: i have this idea in my mind that people know what stuff is i guess.

19:34:52 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

19:34:55 Adlai: aryan humor: cd /usr && ln -s usr ich

19:35:05 mircea_popescu: ;p;

19:35:13 Adlai: er shit, s/usr//

19:35:53 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: hall started applauding << did it come with a built-in 'stop clap bell' ?

19:36:03 ascii_field: (iirc stalin's courtiers invented these)

19:36:31 mircea_popescu: lol nope. i am aware i sound more and more hruschev-ian, but no, i didn't have a bunch of muscle with clubs interspersed in the general public.

19:37:24 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ...or the derps on the internet exactly alike and exactly for the same reasons identifies as this "workman" bullshit << wai wat. confused

19:38:02 ascii_field: if you make a spy node, you have no conceivable reason to make it act outwardly in any way other than a common node << that this was a secret to anyone, is profoundly mindfucking

19:38:24 mircea_popescu: ascii_field what is "Are ?we??the Americans I have lived and studied and worked with for years" and "who once made a living hell out of our fresh, green and na?ve college days" iuf not direct translation of "we the workers" ?

19:38:32 Adlai: the whole security model of bitcoin is that every node is a spy node

19:38:37 ascii_field: that it was detectable suggests an intimidation play - 'we're watching' - rather than actual intent to grab useful info

19:39:03 Adlai: !s malice incompetence

19:39:04 assbot: 19 results for 'malice incompetence' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=malice+incompetence

19:39:08 mircea_popescu: ascii_field it is not a secret to anyone except the completely imbecile "experts" the usg has historically and continues to "use" in it's quest to build itself as a bitcoin power independent from mpex.

19:39:17 mircea_popescu: so far this is progressing admirably.

19:39:23 mircea_popescu: Adlai you don't say.

19:39:54 mircea_popescu: ascii_field no dude, it's a simple, 5 yo would want to pretend she's a sophisticated college student like her old sister, so she does the best she can.

19:40:15 mircea_popescu: in this case, she's reading das kaptial held upside down.

19:41:02 ascii_field: latipak sad.

19:41:49 mircea_popescu: that's the la hockey team right ?

19:42:11 ascii_field: these schmucks could have hired a kid who handles, e.g., botnets, for a fraction of the cost

19:42:27 ascii_field: or a starving maths grad student, same

19:43:36 ascii_field: and, imho, bitcoin doesn't 'really work' unless it can laugh off everybody on the planet doing the sibyl crap all day, every day

19:43:59 mircea_popescu: ascii_field you miss the point where they do not wish to do that, for exactly the reasons i will not hire tim swanson.

19:44:12 mircea_popescu: and there are no uppity white kids in stanford running botnets

19:44:16 mircea_popescu: so they're stuck.

19:44:22 ascii_field: well yes, 'aryans only'

19:44:27 mircea_popescu: well so then.

19:44:40 mircea_popescu: if they don't let THEIR boys rape and i do, when it comes to war my boys will rape their boys and that's that.

19:44:41 ascii_field: but they could conceivably build a sharashka

19:44:49 ascii_field: for 'untermenschen' to toil, uncredited, in

19:44:57 mircea_popescu: but i appreciate the opportunity to check this out experimentally - gangrape is fun for a majority of those involved.

19:45:05 mircea_popescu: they could, if they had a stalin.

19:45:08 mircea_popescu: they don't have a stalin.

19:46:30 mircea_popescu: in fact, they don't even have the vague approximation of a stalin where a guy says to his golddigger harpy "if you fuck another black man i'm going tyo hung you both by your toes, and if you struggle i won't let you go", and then does it when she fucks another black guy.

19:46:47 mircea_popescu: they don't have as much of a stalin as a uni professor that goes " all women, stand up and strip naked or go the fuck home".

19:46:48 mircea_popescu: etc.

19:46:56 mircea_popescu: this is a very small amount of stalin to not have.

19:48:15 ascii_field: how am i to know that, e.g., dick cheney, isn't hunting little gurlz for sport in arizona desert as we speak ?

19:48:27 ascii_field: or hanging his mistress by the toe

19:48:29 mircea_popescu: orly.

19:48:47 mircea_popescu: are you just pursuing this for the sake of the theoretical purity or do you actually hold this view ?

19:49:11 ascii_field: just confessing that it isn't clear to me that such a thing is impossible or even improbable

19:49:25 ascii_field: but i've no intel. team, yes.

19:49:38 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> are you just pursuing this for the sake of the theoretical purity or do you actually hold this view ? << Well Cheney did have a good humor about shooting his patron in the face

19:50:39 mircea_popescu: (the first cvasi-stalin is, of course, Donald Sterling. the second is, of course, that guy with the "women in scinece" what's his name. i'm noteven going into the story of petreus)

19:51:58 *: ascii_field distinctly recalls mircea_popescu's 'he is not lizardhitler who does his hitlering in private only'

19:52:05 mircea_popescu: right ?

19:52:33 ascii_field: but as i gather, the usg-elite consciously walks this line - unlimited debauchery in private, idiot paper-pushing in public

19:53:00 mircea_popescu: bs.

19:53:07 mircea_popescu: what, exactly, is this debauchery ?

19:53:23 mircea_popescu: like, you ever drove by the walled compound where some general is keeping his harem ?

19:53:31 mircea_popescu: no, brunei and saudi arabia elite walks this line.

19:53:38 mircea_popescu: the us is a bunch of impoverished derps with airs.

19:53:54 mircea_popescu: "oh, the luxury of paying 48658609485609850 for a condo."

19:53:57 mircea_popescu: "yeah, well done."

19:54:02 *: ascii_field underscores that he does not know anything re: how ted turner of w. buffett pass their time, or did when young men - but has quasi-educated guess that may or may not be worth the neurons it's printed on

19:54:17 mircea_popescu: you know plenty of how wb passed / passes his time, he's quite public about it.

19:54:29 mircea_popescu: indescript house in omaha, married, with children. about as boring as it gets.

19:54:51 mircea_popescu: nttawwi, on the grounds of one man, he can do w/e the fuck he pleases.

19:55:07 mircea_popescu: but, again, how many walled compounds are in wash dc holding the harems of obama, the shah of this and the bey of that ?

19:55:08 ascii_field: but what kind of lizard aristocrat is that. pssh.

19:55:10 mircea_popescu: visit brunei sometime, for srsly.

19:55:32 mircea_popescu: preferably take a girl with you, can prolly get a decent price.

19:55:41 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: actually there are tremendously posh residences, complete with tall walls, here - ones which would not look entirely out of place in brunei

19:55:52 mircea_popescu: you're eliding my main point.

19:56:11 mircea_popescu: else what, the world government is in gizeh, egypt ? poshest uninhabited structures on earth ?

19:57:14 ascii_field: so mircea_popescu tells us that total brezhnevification in usa ? the aristos sit & nervously smoke all day, and nurse their arthritis ?

19:57:27 mircea_popescu: it is my understanding.

19:57:41 BingoBoingo: Doesn't seem wrong

19:57:46 mircea_popescu: the people who try to have a good time are generally 2nd or 3rd echelon,

19:58:02 mircea_popescu: and in fact it goes as far as to work for a sign. does he look like he's having a good time ? he has no power.

19:58:25 mircea_popescu: which is a large part of what's so confounding about yours truly, in those quarters.

19:58:40 mircea_popescu: schroedinger mp.

19:59:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055427 << hey, great piece. congrats to the winners.

19:59:15 assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 15:55:40; nubbins`: hay look mircea_popescu got paraphrased

19:59:41 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: recall limonov's piece re: herr gadaffi ?

19:59:46 ascii_field: it was about entirely this

19:59:58 mircea_popescu: i guess so.

20:00:32 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055382 << having never looked at those, what % would you say are deliberate / marketing dept induced, and what % are inept / engineering dept induced ? <<< on the surface, it's just shirt buttons on the left side vs the right.

20:00:32 assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 14:47:01; nubbins`: well. resolving clang/gcc incompatibilities is no fun

20:00:53 mircea_popescu: aha

20:00:57 nubbins`: i.e. places where there's wiggle room in the spec, one zigs where the other zags

20:01:03 ascii_field: !s llvm

20:01:04 assbot: 34 results for 'llvm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=llvm

20:01:14 ascii_field: ^ some good material in log re: how and why it came to exist at all

20:01:25 mircea_popescu: i dunno if i'm the only one who saw brasil - but whenever i see that sorta thing i remember the workmen that cut the holes for the police to bust into homes.

20:01:32 ascii_field: yes!

20:01:34 nubbins`: as usual, alf has a better understanding than i

20:01:46 ascii_field: one of the greatest films about essence of usg

20:02:10 mircea_popescu: it's pretty good. maybe i'm distributring name tags at conference all reading Mr. Tuttle

20:02:10 nubbins`: w/ deniro?

20:02:22 ascii_field: Buttle

20:02:47 ascii_field: mega-film.

20:02:52 mircea_popescu: yup

20:02:53 *: ascii_field heartily recommends 'brazil' to everyone

20:03:32 mircea_popescu: certainly put gilliam on the map for me. and then imaginarium...

20:03:40 ascii_field: another mega-film!

20:03:45 mircea_popescu: you seen imaginarium nubbins` ?

20:03:54 mircea_popescu: that and barbarella is what i imagine you grew up on.

20:04:50 BingoBoingo: Everyone knows mircea_popescu grew up on Dallas

20:05:12 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:06:29 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol actually, lemme give you the shortlist : http://fraudsters.com/grabeste-te-incet http://fraudsters.com/signore-e-signori-buonanotte http://fraudsters.com/nesustinabila-negreutate-a-nemortii http://fraudsters.com/laile-ou-la-cuisse http://fraudsters.com/2012/la-terra-trema/

20:06:29 assbot: Page not found pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsCe5F )

20:06:30 assbot: Page not found pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsCe5K )

20:06:31 assbot: Page not found pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsCe5M )

20:06:31 assbot: Page not found pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsCe5O )

20:06:32 assbot: La Terra Trema pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsCbHh )

20:06:38 mircea_popescu: the english stuff i saw much later.

20:10:22 jurov: ben_vulpes rly? you want patches for makeshift build scripts?

20:10:58 jurov: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1054768

20:10:58 assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 05:07:10; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000034.html << why not a patch file for this? just to make me diff it myself?

20:11:36 jurov: mod6 you see, we have a release indeed. ppl demand patchezzz!!!

20:12:17 mircea_popescu: haga

20:12:25 BingoBoingo: Release party!

20:12:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055438 << it's BELL boy. as aptly explained for tim roth's benefit in 4 rooms, "they ring the bell, ya hop!"

20:12:53 assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 16:27:58; pete_dushenski: he trains the national junior squad, one of whom we even had as our ball boy !

20:14:57 mircea_popescu: wait, nm. tennis, ma bad.

20:17:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055504 << not really, no. they had a little less preditors than hippos would if there were no humans.

20:17:16 assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 18:44:42; pete_dushenski: dinosaurs were freaking enormous and had plenty of predation pressures

20:18:32 pete_dushenski: yes, with the little yellow fuzzy ball!

20:18:41 pete_dushenski: and i'll stop derping about dinos now

20:19:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055519 << by and large, this depends on how you measure efficiency. rabbits are larger than chickens, but more efficient, under the "food to usable foodstuff" conversion paradigm. turkeys are larger than chickens and less efficient. etc.

20:19:04 assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 18:50:07; Adlai: smaller organisms are more efficient

20:19:58 mircea_popescu: generally birds are inefficient because of the 42 degrees problem. but also, polar bears eat a lot more than lions, per body kg.

20:21:06 ben_vulpes: 42 degrees problem?

20:21:54 *: Adlai was referring specifically to growth ratios: quadratic muscle strength vs cubic mass

20:23:10 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: just found out today co-manager is romanian

20:23:18 thestringpuller: you guise be reppin' hard

20:23:59 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes birds maintain 42 degrees body temperatures, vs your 36.5

20:24:26 mircea_popescu: that's expensive at rest (it's also the only reason they can fly, larger buffer to absorb the heat they can't dissipate)

20:24:59 mircea_popescu: (this is why birds hang out in trees while reptiles hang out on rocks - birds need the shade, lizards need the heat)

20:25:15 Adlai: camels have a range of liveable body temperatures, like a reptile but not. verging upon the... reptilian.

20:25:24 mircea_popescu: tru

20:25:27 pete_dushenski: 42 degrees would, i suppose, explain why there aren't any pterodactyl-sized birds

20:26:00 mircea_popescu: Adlai you ever slept in the desert, camels lined up to break the cold wind ?

20:26:02 Adlai: ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel#Ecological_and_behavioral_adaptations )

20:26:04 assbot: Camel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BNHPA9 )

20:26:24 Adlai: fuxake, we have tents yknow

20:26:29 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski look into large eagles.

20:26:47 Adlai: and armored vehicles

20:26:55 mircea_popescu: Adlai ha! i'm one ahead :D

20:27:04 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> you seen imaginarium nubbins` ? <<< of dr parnassus or w/e?

20:27:04 mircea_popescu: actually chetty was on that trip!

20:27:08 mircea_popescu: yup

20:27:27 nubbins`: nod. some years back, through a haze of mixed intoxicants: "is that tom waits?"

20:27:32 *: Adlai has slept in the desert without anything breaking the wind...

20:27:53 *: Adlai has also ridden camels, but years ago on a school thingy

20:28:20 Adlai: roughly a decade by now, around 5 BC

20:28:29 Adlai: s/C/G/

20:28:30 nubbins`: actually iirc there's a zine somewhere in this house that mentions a woman w the last name popescu

20:28:35 Adlai: "before genesis"

20:28:49 nubbins`: iifrc, the title of the piece was "a list of people whose houses i am no longer allowed in"

20:29:13 mircea_popescu: lol ?

20:29:51 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#comment-113144 heh.

20:29:51 assbot: Law enforcement never fails to unintentionally entertain pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BNInWG )

20:30:20 mircea_popescu: that's a mildly interesting problem : calculate the probability of naturally occuring exact geometric shapes of a given metal and mass.

20:30:25 Adlai: mircea_popescu: wait so where do the emphases go in your name? MEER-sha po-PES-ku ?

20:30:43 mircea_popescu: yea

20:30:51 mircea_popescu: first-and-penultimate convention

20:32:36 thestringpuller: I'm going to prounounce is MER-KUH

20:32:38 thestringpuller: lol

20:32:39 thestringpuller: jk

20:33:02 Adlai: first-and-penultimate is itself first-and-pe-null-tim-et

20:34:06 mircea_popescu: :)

20:34:38 mircea_popescu: you know you should prolly look into ipa rather than that atrocity w/e it is.

20:34:53 chetty: http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/01/25/scandnavian-men-leaving-feminists-to-themselves/

20:34:55 assbot: Scandinavian Men Leaving Feminists to Themselves - The Spearhead ... ( http://bit.ly/1BNJ5U0 )

20:38:38 Adlai: ipa? atrocity?

20:50:05 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/openssl-severe-vulnerability-to-be-revealed-march-19th/

20:55:01 mircea_popescu: i dunno what "meer-sha" is supposed to sound like.

20:55:20 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/coinapult-reports-hot-wallet-compromise/

20:55:27 mircea_popescu: i know what mirˈt͡ʃe̯a is supposed to sound like

21:00:08 *: Adlai is biologist today, not philologist

21:13:54 funkenstein_: all this talk of companies losing peoples money makes me think i should give up and just trust some company with all my money

21:18:53 funkenstein_: either that or time to open up a wallet service

21:22:39 Adlai: this is why you should only trust people with your money, never companies

21:22:40 BingoBoingo: I forget what group was behing the silver cold storage buttplug?

21:29:38 Adlai: http://w.b-a.link/user/slush

21:29:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18DVYpo )

21:30:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60540 @ 0.00031891 = 19.3068 BTC [-] {3}

21:32:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00032485 = 6.8543 BTC [+]

21:41:27 cazalla: pete_dushenski: it's in melbourne at the central train terminal <<< they've slowly chipped away at that place, replacing the old with the new, personally i don't see it as anything special, stench of stale piss surrounds it

21:42:05 Adlai: sounds like my slum

22:21:33 mircea_popescu: http://blog.cakebet.com/clarity-shines-fud/ << who's this incidentally ?

22:21:36 assbot: Clarity Shines Through The FUD - CBB: CakeBet Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1xcxAH1 )

22:26:45 danielpbarron: that's the nakamoto institute guy

22:27:11 mircea_popescu: with some dubious casino ?

22:27:41 danielpbarron: i wasn't aware of his involvement with that; i just see his name attributed at the end of the article

22:28:01 danielpbarron: !gettrust danielkrawisz

22:28:02 assbot: Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user danielkrawisz: Level 1: -2, Level 2: 1 via 5 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/danielkrawisz | http://w.b-a.link/user/danielkrawisz

22:28:33 mircea_popescu: "Francis Fondant"

22:29:27 PeterL: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I dunno what you're talking about, looks like its working fine for me?

22:29:28 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:31:51 mircea_popescu: "Your LinkedIn account says you?re in Sweden, so perhaps English is not your native language. That?s cool. Spanish was my first language, so I feel you. However, your generalization about women is a reprehensible bromide."

22:32:00 mircea_popescu: i just picked myself off the floor

22:38:13 mircea_popescu: in other news, tithat. http://40.media.tumblr.com/a8d148fd90a47d247323ab5c2cb81c7b/tumblr_mh2pkwkHTk1r7r92mo1_500.jpg

22:38:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHYl9D )

22:50:38 mircea_popescu: http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/96861298768/on-reliable-guides-and-bayesianism << the trouble with the world is that the well informed are weak and the ignorant headstrong.

22:50:39 assbot: Wading In — On Reliable Guides and Bayesianism ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHZbTL )

22:51:00 mircea_popescu: that article should have been dripping invective. but of course, such is not possible. so random internet imbecile reads it and moves on, unbothered. HE IS LESS WRONG

22:51:02 mircea_popescu: and utterly stupid.

22:51:14 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: You might enjoy http://bulabula.org/papers/2015/asiabsdcon/ just keep in mind this is one of the devs, don't go all twitter fatwah

22:51:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHZcHy )

22:53:00 mircea_popescu: hahaha

22:56:52 BingoBoingo: It sucks that the thing is a slide deck, but at least it is a series of images and not a ppt or pdf turd

23:02:21 danielpbarron: lol

23:06:34 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: How's the imac doing?

23:08:29 danielpbarron: very well

23:08:39 danielpbarron: done with g4, now working on a g3

23:09:15 BingoBoingo: Cool

23:09:22 danielpbarron: the hard drives are failing but it's good enough

23:09:53 danielpbarron: i may buy a bunch of ssd drives

23:09:58 BingoBoingo: Replacing those shouldn't be hard

23:10:02 danielpbarron: i think i could resell these things

23:11:23 danielpbarron: openbsd is such a pleasure to work with

23:11:30 danielpbarron: it does exactly what i expect it to do

23:11:58 BingoBoingo: AH, replacing the hard drives requires thermal paste

23:12:22 danielpbarron: yeah replacing parts in mac stuff is not easy but it's not impossible

23:12:39 danielpbarron: i don't know about thermal paste, but it's not like i can just pop off a panel and swap the drive

23:14:04 BingoBoingo: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iMac+G4+17-Inch+Model+M9168LLA+Hard+Drive+Replacement/4176 << Part of what you remove to get to the HD connects to the CPU's waste heat removal path

23:14:06 assbot: iMac G4 17" Model M9168LLA Hard Drive Replacement - iFixit ... ( http://bit.ly/1MI1eY4 )

23:15:01 BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure I still have my torx screwdriver for the real B&W Macs somewhere around here

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23:37:12 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/577976775449300992

23:37:13 assbot: /hashtag/OpenBSD?src=hash 5.6 on an Apple iMac G4. http://t.co/vx5qS4N7WV

23:43:09 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Curious yet to see if the G4 can catch up to the Pogos?