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00:00:06 SatoshiJack: My team...the satoshiJack team :)

00:11:17 benkay: ;;gettrust SatoshiJack

00:11:17 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18. Trust relationship from user benkay to user SatoshiJack: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=SatoshiJack | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SatoshiJack | Rated since: never

00:11:32 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot SatoshiJack

00:11:32 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18. Trust relationship from user assbot to user SatoshiJack: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=SatoshiJack | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SatoshiJack | Rated since: never

00:17:01 peterl: is it considered better manners to set otc ratings in the channel or via pm with gribble?

00:17:53 mircea_popescu: hasn't gotten to the point of actually bothering yet.

00:18:00 mircea_popescu: i suspect people like to keep an eye on it

00:18:17 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo looking good.

00:18:36 BingoBoingo: At least for a while bringing up the assbot - target path is probably productive to see if people wanting voice can already !up themselves

00:18:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thanks

00:18:59 benkay: peterl: we're all making it up as we go

00:19:18 benkay: the dynamics of upping is interesting to watch as well

00:23:28 mircea_popescu: so reading the log... is nubbins` like this chan's cialis or what.

00:23:42 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell artifexd your nudge was just what i needed to finally get that done. thanks!

00:23:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:24:28 BingoBoingo: nubbins` is a lot of things

00:24:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [+]

00:25:02 mircea_popescu: Duffer1: sorry man that all was before my time, not sure what all happened << mnw figured he'd be a smartass, bet everyone pirate will deliver (after default). 10k btc, which he obviously lost, which he then reneged on (pretending he's "delivering" by simply writing 10k BTC in a foirum post) and got banned.

00:25:04 mircea_popescu: then got unbanned

00:25:07 mircea_popescu: then got banned again

00:25:30 mircea_popescu: then piles of drama, it gets circular.

00:25:40 Azelphur: I remember that

00:25:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15249 @ 0.00095914 = 14.6259 BTC [-] {2}

00:26:03 mircea_popescu: congratulations, you're old enough :)

00:26:26 Azelphur: \o/

00:26:52 mircea_popescu: rithm: which is broken because you have no way to idetify the person you communicate with on that forum << stop slandering https etc.

00:27:15 Azelphur: that was pretty funny "This bet is serious business, if you place the bet and loose then don't pay, you will be marked as a scammer and banned"

00:27:24 Azelphur: "Oh shit I lost... NOPE IT WAS ALL A BIG JOKE HAHAHA"

00:27:40 mircea_popescu: myeah.

00:30:12 Azelphur: I remember he was writer at bitcoin magazine too, iirc he got fired over it

00:32:16 BingoBoingo: Bitcoin Magazine has its own lulzy history

00:33:26 bitcoinpete: ;;rate artifexd 1 nudger

00:33:27 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user artifexd has changed from 1 to 1.

00:33:55 mircea_popescu: Azelphur nah, he was fired when the bitpay crew screwed the original owner out of his shares and put that romanian kid in

00:34:01 mircea_popescu: whatever his name is. who maybe left meanwhile or w/e

00:34:06 Azelphur: I see

00:34:29 mircea_popescu: or maybe he left in protest or maybe he was fired right before that ? shit's starting to get foggy

00:34:45 Azelphur: god alone knows

00:35:00 Azelphur: he's not a nice fellow, tldr.

00:36:10 mircea_popescu: i dunno he's not nice. he's definitely one of the guys that got raped in the ass by their failure to take bitcoin serious enough.

00:36:20 mircea_popescu: where enough is a value roughly in excess of hard infinity.

00:36:23 mircea_popescu: aleph three.

00:37:25 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TestingUnoDosTre eh what robbed, thing closed at like 11, you bet 11:20 or what

00:37:25 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:39:26 BingoBoingo: The hazard of late BitBets, on price especially is when the thing hits verus where it sticks can be... messy, and the difference here is in the house's favor

00:40:23 mircea_popescu: i have no idea why people insist to try and use a knowledge advantage. fucking thing has about 700 bells and whistles pointing out you'll get hurt in all likeliness

00:40:26 mircea_popescu: yet people can't resist.

00:40:39 mircea_popescu: i guess it's all a testament to the SEC's historical success in controlling insider trading.

00:40:59 mircea_popescu: hear ye of little competence : i am and i have been doing a shitload better than you ever did, to the degree the differential is culture-shocking people.

00:41:53 peterl: one more reason to bet early

00:41:56 BingoBoingo: Preach it. I mean why do people keep getting this "free winning" idea when BET is in the name

00:42:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3073 @ 0.00011911 = 0.366 BTC [+] {4}

00:42:16 mircea_popescu: i guess it's just irresistible and that's how it'll stay.

00:43:16 mircea_popescu: o look i missed the polish inflation discussion.

00:43:19 mircea_popescu: maybe next time.

00:44:16 BingoBoingo: The de/in-flation discussions always have a next time

00:45:08 benkay: http://theumlaut.com/2014/04/16/a-coup-not-an-exit/

00:45:36 benkay: the light begins to dawn...

00:46:19 mircea_popescu: "This view is charmingly na?ve. "

00:46:39 mircea_popescu: assholes not in here daring to claim things are "charmingly naive". irony crits.

00:47:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00095719 = 12.4435 BTC [-]

00:47:06 benkay: perhaps they read logs?

00:47:11 benkay: perhaps they have someone reading logs?

00:47:15 mircea_popescu: still presumptuous.

00:47:37 mircea_popescu: peterl can you post that again in something that's not a hairball of js ? like a pastebin say. or a wp blog or something.

00:48:11 peterl: yeah, sure, give me a minute

00:48:29 benkay: php > js

00:49:10 bitcoinpete: benkay: eli doesn't get the scarcity angle. few casual observers do, particularly amid the mt gox this and that noise

00:49:54 mircea_popescu: benkay im trying to be user friendly shush you

00:49:59 benkay: i don't really get the mining arguments. but yes, containerization.

00:50:13 benkay: paucity of new coins, bitcoinpete ?

00:50:52 bitcoinpete: basically

00:51:10 bitcoinpete: "Bitcoin for now exists at the pleasure of governments" << this is just priceless

00:51:15 peterl: http://pastebin.com/euqGSEgn

00:51:15 ozbot: LIF retrospective - Pastebin.com

00:51:20 bitcoinpete: there's some gems in there

00:51:28 peterl: is that better?

00:51:40 benkay: signed and everything

00:51:48 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/456595768221003777

00:51:48 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @rabite Let's talk. ...

00:51:53 mircea_popescu: if guy actually shows up someone up him.

00:51:54 peterl: cause sure, why not sign it?

00:52:26 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete everyone wants to think that the earth sucked before he showed up to fix it.

00:53:14 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: and that times, they are a changing. so fast that history is useless

00:53:29 benkay: ;;gettrust peterl

00:53:29 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask peterl!~peterl@108-204-237-26.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user benkay to user peterl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=peterl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=peterl | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 17:10:12 2014

00:53:54 mircea_popescu: whoa stumbleupon still exists ?!

00:54:07 bitcoinpete: define "exist"

00:54:16 benkay: peterl: what is your otc identity?

00:54:30 mircea_popescu: that's a point. "anything other than a rip page"

00:54:31 peterl: peterl is my otc id

00:55:29 benkay: hm

00:56:23 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: lol that doesn't leave a lot, does it

00:56:49 mircea_popescu: http://fuckedcompany.com/ bitcoinpete

00:56:50 ozbot: FuckedCompany.com - Official Lubricant Of The New Economy

00:57:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00095299 = 16.582 BTC [-]

00:57:45 bitcoinpete: that's a new one

00:57:56 mircea_popescu: lol. it's not new, young padawan. you are :D

00:58:24 bitcoinpete: lol i meant for me!

00:59:43 mircea_popescu: hehe. that was the techmeme before arlington was invented.

01:00:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.50072223 = 9.013 BTC [-] {7}

01:00:50 bitcoinpete: http://t.co/4DE6RoFKMj

01:01:21 bitcoinpete: the nobel comes to bitcoin

01:01:22 mircea_popescu: "Best ATM Design" ?

01:01:33 mircea_popescu: what's this troop smoking lmao

01:01:42 mircea_popescu: "Most Impactful Charity"

01:01:55 mircea_popescu: anyone wants to bet the bitpay sister gets that ? what was her name

01:02:02 bitcoinpete: mp, you'd better win best journalist

01:02:06 mircea_popescu: Each of the winners will receive 1 BTC

01:02:12 mircea_popescu: aghagaga o spare me sally.

01:02:29 bitcoinpete: and influential investor lol

01:02:50 BingoBoingo: I think MP takes most influential investor

01:02:58 mircea_popescu: i should probably make a pie throwing contest, give 10 btc to the best thrown pie to the face of these losers.

01:03:06 bitcoinpete: and legal expert, and bitcoin champion, and on an on

01:03:18 mircea_popescu: that;s about their total pool.

01:03:33 bitcoinpete: except it was funny/sad how few people at the bitcoin expo in toronto who'd even heard of you or mpex

01:04:08 bitcoinpete: there should be EmPee Awards

01:04:12 peterl: they have a list of people they already picked to honor (themselves), and they had to come up with a category for everybody?

01:04:17 mircea_popescu: how many people at bitcoin toronto heard of niederauer ?

01:04:37 bitcoinpete: fair enough

01:06:25 mircea_popescu: lol why am i looking at some japanese chick with her panties on

01:07:12 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/447344144315211776

01:07:13 ozbot: Twitter / rogerkver: Tokyo has the best Bitcoin ...

01:07:38 mircea_popescu: srsly, i am not impresst.

01:08:30 bitcoinpete: EmPee Award categories: best haircut, funniest log line, herpiest derp, best troll…

01:08:52 bitcoinpete: ya, she looks like an amputee

01:10:06 bitcoinpete: http://www.seriouss.net/#!Support-the-BitGive-Foundation/c20df/0281C51F-4999-40B1-8653-13F099D34964

01:10:07 ozbot: Serious Stuff

01:10:41 bitcoinpete: donating bitcoin to charity will "not only will it help a worthy charitable cause, it will also contribute to the future success of Bitcoin:" <<obviously lol

01:11:28 mircea_popescu: this is a stupid idea, because in general charity is powered by tax deductions.

01:11:37 mircea_popescu: this makes donations the absolute last thing bitcoin will do.

01:12:20 mircea_popescu: but try and talk it to the fucktards who have some shit impacted in their head which they misrepresent as an idea, and then try to use everything they encounter on the road as shit-amplifyer, instead of using it as a shit removing device.

01:13:28 BingoBoingo: !b 3

01:13:28 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1782548/plain/)

01:13:31 bitcoinpete: everything is used to amplify brain damage here

01:13:51 bitcoinpete: it's socially encouraged

01:14:03 peterl: well, according to IRS rules, couldn't you claim a bitcoin donation as charitable donation for tax purposes?

01:14:15 mircea_popescu: peterl try and do so.

01:14:26 peterl: since bitcoins are assets like cars and shit?

01:14:36 mircea_popescu: you can claim anything you want, including that you have 84 minor children.

01:14:38 mircea_popescu: then you get audited.

01:14:42 mircea_popescu: then you get to argue it in court.

01:14:44 mircea_popescu: then you win.

01:14:47 mircea_popescu: or die, whichever comes first.

01:15:19 mircea_popescu: people with actual tax accountants who get actual advice (ie, the people in a position to make meaningful donations) don't do stupid shit because that;'s what happened to be in front of their eyes that hour.

01:15:19 peterl: as long as the charity gave you a receipt, I don't see why there would be any hassle?

01:15:46 mircea_popescu: because the business of the irs is to hassle the margin.

01:16:10 mircea_popescu: that's what a taxman does, in all tiumes and places. it's the fundamental conservative mechanism of a society.

01:18:31 mircea_popescu: !up thecluck

01:18:31 assbot: Voicing thecluck for 30 minutes.

01:21:27 mircea_popescu: lampelinaa how's it going ?

01:21:34 bitcoinpete: .d

01:21:34 ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 121 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.3566% in 0d 17h 8m 44s

01:21:52 mircea_popescu: !up bettycla1p

01:21:52 assbot: Voicing bettycla1p for 30 minutes.

01:21:55 mircea_popescu: !up wutwhutw1t

01:21:55 assbot: Voicing wutwhutw1t for 30 minutes.

01:34:40 mircea_popescu: .d

01:34:40 ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 120 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.2178% in 0d 17h 17m 59s

01:43:42 BingoBoingo: ;ticker

01:43:46 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

01:43:48 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 522.3, Best ask: 525.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.70000, Last trade: 522.28, 24 hour volume: 30337.42561740, 24 hour low: 494.02, 24 hour high: 548.0, 24 hour vwap: 520.388624434

01:48:40 TestingUnoDosTre: mircea_popescu - about this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/ it was the other way around. I had bet at + received 1 confirmation (and bet posted to bitbet) at 23:20. The bitstamp price crossed over at 23:29

01:49:04 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre looks like 23:00 on that graph

01:51:39 TestingUnoDosTre: Let me check the difference between bitcoincharts time and GMT

01:53:44 TestingUnoDosTre: I had about 10 minutes before the crossover, I was watching it at the bar

01:55:25 TestingUnoDosTre: Here's what I have on bitcoincharts, loaded 1 minute data 2014-04-15 23:29:00 524.51 527 521.54 527 163.8 86233.43 526.46

01:55:48 TestingUnoDosTre: at 23:29, open was 524.51, close was 527

01:55:59 TestingUnoDosTre: here

01:56:01 TestingUnoDosTre: here's my tx https://blockchain.info/address/17GnrasopAN9TKFSH88v7f3qEHbY4vkDJ3

01:56:09 TestingUnoDosTre: posted to bitbet 6 minutes later

01:57:29 TestingUnoDosTre: this is the page I loaded data from (apologize but it has like 2 days worth of 1 minute data) http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg1zig1-minzczsg2014-04-16zeg2014-04-17ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv

01:59:19 mircea_popescu: i think you're arguing the wrong tack here.

01:59:30 mircea_popescu: nobody is going to go into the level of detail you need for your case.

01:59:44 mircea_popescu: bitbet is not a good venue to be doing this sorts of "oh but i bet x seconds before it ticked".

02:00:03 mircea_popescu: bet a day early and get refunded, then you got something.

02:01:28 mircea_popescu: !up blackwhite

02:01:28 assbot: Voicing blackwhite for 30 minutes.

02:02:41 TestingUnoDosTre: I'll back down if I must. I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but I played by the rules and it's somewhat easy to verify that I was in "on time"

02:04:34 TestingUnoDosTre: There's no reason the price couldn't have swung in the opposite direction

02:04:44 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre well, the life of a late bettor is hard. if you get in, you get in. however, if you don't you don't, and it's the mod that makes the call.

02:05:42 TestingUnoDosTre: I feel like I most definitely did get in though. But enough of this dicussion

02:05:53 blackwhite: hola peeps

02:06:08 mircea_popescu: heya

02:06:42 BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Remember that BitBet has worse fates than a refund for the late.

02:07:36 TestingUnoDosTre: I do understand, and that's the risk I was taking. I did bet before the event occured though...

02:08:44 mircea_popescu: !up elgrecoFL

02:08:44 assbot: Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.

02:13:53 joecool: !up BCB

02:13:53 assbot: Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.

02:14:03 BCB: thx

02:14:07 BCB: anyone interested in a 25 BTC Casascius Coin

02:16:17 thestringpuller: $depth mpoe

02:16:19 mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['20800 @ 0.00095321', '41904 @ 0.00095299', '6100 @ 0.00095168', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501']

02:16:20 mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['12200 @ 0.00095568', '15960 @ 0.00095719', '3800 @ 0.00095861', '5400 @ 0.0009597', '9188 @ 0.0009601']

02:17:03 BingoBoingo: ;;rate BCB 1 Been around Bitcoin forever, investigates scamzors

02:17:04 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BCB has been recorded.

02:17:26 BCB: BingoBoingo, thanks

02:17:36 BCB: ;;rated BingoBoingo

02:17:36 gribble: You have not yet rated user BingoBoingo

02:17:45 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-problem-of-the-past/

02:17:46 ozbot: The problem of the past pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:17:48 mircea_popescu: peterl ^

02:18:03 mircea_popescu: and everyone with a legal inclination, if you have a moment, pls to read.

02:18:17 BCB: BingoBoingo, still waiting for pirateat40 to go to jail!

02:18:17 BingoBoingo: BCB: I've seen you around forever now, but I don't think we've had occasion to interact.

02:18:42 BingoBoingo: BCB: I imagine he will find worse than jail

02:19:25 BCB: BingoBoingo, I think he already has. WIfe left him, all his assets have been seized, He's back living in his mother's house

02:19:42 BCB: and he's being sued by the SEC

02:19:51 BCB: Life doesn't get much worse then that

02:20:05 BingoBoingo: BCB: There are far worse things than that. He is going to see the future he could have been a part of, but was exiled from in its infancy

02:20:28 BingoBoingo: Killing him would have been kinder than that

02:20:56 mircea_popescu: wow that's some high drama aproach right there.

02:21:06 mircea_popescu: tho tbh, i think the kid's exactly smart enough for that to smart.

02:21:09 joecool: BCB: prison rape is in the future

02:22:07 mircea_popescu: this obsession with prison rape srsly. it;s like 30 cases per 100k inmates

02:22:09 BingoBoingo: joecool: Sphincters heal, serious regret is forever

02:22:10 BCB: joecool, if he goes to prison it will be some low sec location. Not much prison rape there. Lots of checkers and shuffleboard

02:22:12 mircea_popescu: in the us. in canada it's like 3x that.

02:22:59 BCB: BingoBoingo, I don't think he ever saw a future in bitcoin. He just saw it as a way to make a quick buck. He was too smart for his own good.

02:23:00 joecool: mircea_popescu: reported cases? canadians are probably just more shameless

02:23:26 BingoBoingo: BCB: It doesn't matter if he saw it then. He is doomed to see it the rest of his life.

02:23:40 peterl: mircea_popescu: looks like you tear apart my story just as intended. thanks.

02:23:53 BingoBoingo: And there is no such thing as "too smart for their own good"

02:23:53 mircea_popescu: joecool i dunno why someone would fail to report rape in prison.

02:23:57 mircea_popescu: it's a distraction.

02:24:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00095321 = 5.052 BTC [+]

02:27:17 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl your signature is pretty shitty.

02:27:17 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:27:59 mircea_popescu: !up roamfree

02:27:59 assbot: Voicing roamfree for 30 minutes.

02:28:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well there is such a thing as thinking they're too smart for their own good

02:29:03 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot cazalla

02:29:03 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask cazalla!cazalla@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fedb:949f. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cazalla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cazalla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014

02:29:13 mircea_popescu: ;;rate cazalla 1 New blood.

02:29:14 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.

02:29:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but such a thing is just a hypertrophic form of Dunning-Kreuger

02:29:29 mircea_popescu: aye

02:31:42 BingoBoingo: Not merely thinking one is adequate for such a thing, but thinking one was too good at such a thing to have gotten away with it.

02:34:18 joecool: !ping

02:34:24 joecool: ;;ratingsystem viewrating assbot

02:34:24 gribble: Error: The "RatingSystem" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "viewrating" in it. Try "list RatingSystem" to see the commands in the "RatingSystem" plugin.

02:34:37 joecool: ;;ratingsystem getrating assbot

02:34:37 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User assbot, rated since Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014. Cumulative rating 26, from 9 total ratings. Received ratings: 9 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 29 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot

02:38:54 elgrecoFL: <+mircea_popescu> !up elgrecoFL

02:38:54 elgrecoFL: <@assbot> Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.

02:39:14 mircea_popescu: lol timing is everything

02:39:17 mircea_popescu: !up elgrecoFL

02:39:17 assbot: Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.

02:39:25 elgrecoFL: heh. what was that about? :)

02:39:55 elgrecoFL: great bot name, btw

02:40:39 mircea_popescu: well you got voice.

02:41:03 elgrecoFL: thx. did i not have voice?

02:41:44 mircea_popescu: nope.

02:42:09 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot elgrecoFL

02:42:09 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user elgrecoFL: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=elgrecoFL | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=elgrecoFL | Rated since: never

02:42:12 elgrecoFL: well... i'm speechless :p

02:42:26 BingoBoingo: Were speechless

02:42:56 TestingUnoDosTre: that assbot is amazing

02:42:56 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:44:18 mircea_popescu: the amazing times and feats of assbot, the amazing ass bot.

02:44:18 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:44:26 elgrecoFL: heh

02:44:42 elgrecoFL: lets see if ozbot speaks in this channel

02:44:46 elgrecoFL: stupid bot

02:44:47 ozbot: Gamisou re malaka!

02:44:54 elgrecoFL: wewt

02:45:11 mircea_popescu: haha wut

02:45:13 mircea_popescu: stupid bot

02:45:14 ozbot: Gamisou re malaka!

02:45:18 mircea_popescu: til.

02:45:19 elgrecoFL: he speaks greek

02:45:30 elgrecoFL: well, curses in greek

02:45:40 BingoBoingo: !up BCB

02:45:40 assbot: Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.

02:45:49 mircea_popescu: who was running ozbot ? scrat ?

02:45:53 BingoBoingo: BCB: You should be able to self voice nao

02:45:54 BCB: BingoBoingo, I'm cool authed now. Thx

02:45:58 BCB: ;;voiceme

02:46:04 elgrecoFL: mircea_popescu: jezzz

02:46:10 mircea_popescu: ah

02:46:12 joecool: unlike gribble

02:46:13 elgrecoFL: well, he wrote it anyway

02:46:16 joecool: ;;rated gribble

02:46:16 gribble: You rated user gribble on Sun Mar 2 22:05:31 2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: knows damn right who I am.

02:46:19 BingoBoingo: BCB: The method here is PM'ing assbot !up

02:46:32 BCB: ahh ok. thx

02:46:34 joecool: ;;whoami

02:46:34 gribble: I don't recognize you.

02:46:38 joecool: -_-

02:46:39 BCB: ;;whoami

02:46:40 gribble: I don't recognize you.

02:46:42 BCB: fucker

02:46:44 mircea_popescu: ;;whosurmom

02:46:44 gribble: Error: "whosurmom" is not a valid command.

02:46:54 BCB: !up

02:46:54 assbot: Need a nickname, BCB.

02:46:57 BingoBoingo: !up Periscope

02:46:57 assbot: Voicing Periscope for 30 minutes.

02:47:09 BCB: whoami

02:47:15 BCB: ;;whoami

02:47:15 gribble: I don't recognize you.

02:47:22 BingoBoingo: Plain !up works in PM, !up nick works in channel

02:48:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00095321 = 4.0988 BTC [+]

02:50:34 benkay: one can also /msg assbot !up

02:50:39 benkay: dat one-liner

02:50:39 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell PeterL what key did you sign that pastebin with anyway ?!

02:50:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:52:13 thestringpuller: lolol

02:55:25 mircea_popescu: later all!

02:57:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00095321 = 6.1959 BTC [+]

02:59:33 benkay: thestringpuller: ping

03:02:45 thestringpuller: p

03:02:47 thestringpuller: ya

03:09:34 BingoBoingo: !up elgrecoFL

03:09:34 assbot: Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.

03:09:45 BingoBoingo: elgrecoFL: What sort of stuff do you do?

03:10:29 elgrecoFL: I excel in channel idling. This may be my first time ever speaking here in over a year.

03:13:40 BingoBoingo: Cool

03:14:15 elgrecoFL: :). just a bitocin enthusiast

03:14:26 BingoBoingo: Ah

03:14:27 elgrecoFL: don't really "do" much.

03:14:32 BingoBoingo: It happens

03:14:49 elgrecoFL: yep. small time mining since 2011

03:15:00 benkay: wish i got to do not much ;)

03:15:57 BingoBoingo: benkay: For some people doing a lot is showering once in a week. For other people not doing much is working 18 hour days.

03:16:52 elgrecoFL: heh. i'm closer to 10 hour days.

03:17:41 benkay: BingoBoingo: I suppose.

03:18:05 benkay: BingoBoingo: i do sometimes long for the days of the 40-hour work week.

03:18:23 BingoBoingo: BCB: !up yourself just to make sure things work

03:19:50 BingoBoingo: benkay: Sometimes I long for the days when the smell of cunt juice on the fingers was a new smell

03:20:42 benkay: haha sounds like you need to go find some new cunts to sniff

03:21:11 BCB: that did it

03:21:13 BCB: thax

03:21:20 BingoBoingo: BCB: Ur welcome

03:21:33 BingoBoingo: benkay: Maybe.

03:21:35 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot BCB

03:21:35 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BCB!~BCB@ec2-54-204-38-85.compute-1.amazonaws.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BCB: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BCB | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BCB | Rated since: Thu Sep 20 19:03:51 2012

03:25:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.0049998 = 0.22 BTC [-]

03:28:43 BingoBoingo: benkay: Has your Dukeness given much thought as to the requirements you suppose on those who would be your Ridders?

03:29:25 BingoBoingo: benkay: And your Jonkheers?

03:31:04 benkay: much thought

03:31:06 benkay: few conclusions

03:31:21 BingoBoingo: Similar situation here.

03:31:56 benkay: one interesting thing is this numeric count req'd to get into assbot's wot

03:32:00 benkay: say you rate someone +1

03:32:03 benkay: and I rate them -1

03:32:07 benkay: i imagine they'd not be able to !up any more.

03:32:11 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot benkay

03:32:12 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user benkay: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 9 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013

03:32:37 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot BingoBoingo

03:32:38 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013

03:33:09 benkay: baseline requirements: must be able to sign things with wot key or decrypt things sent to wot key

03:33:26 benkay: ;)

03:34:09 BingoBoingo: Well that is the minimum or even below it to get self upping

03:34:26 benkay: there's a bit of inflation at the bottom end. i'm willing to +1 for #bitcoin-assets voice, and +2 people I know to be people and not terrifically scummy.

03:35:10 benkay: but the question of who receives that +1 is open.

03:36:28 benkay: bare minimum for a 3 is that i've done biz witcha.

03:36:50 BingoBoingo: Seems reasonable

03:38:29 benkay: ;;seen herbijudlestoids

03:38:29 gribble: herbijudlestoids was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 15 hours, 5 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <herbijudlestoids> BingoBoingo: if someone wanted to offer hosting services, do you think most people are after a VPS with SSH access? or just a VPS with a panel?

03:38:51 BingoBoingo: Oh, that

03:39:00 benkay: herbi can up himself

03:39:10 BingoBoingo: can he?

03:39:26 benkay: he's in your WoT.

03:39:31 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot herbijudlestoids

03:39:31 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user herbijudlestoids: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=herbijudlestoids | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=herbijudlestoids | Rated since: Fri Feb 14 01:33:49 2014

03:39:32 joecool: wot

03:39:38 joecool: u wot m8?

03:39:53 artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot joecool

03:39:53 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011

03:40:08 joecool: !rated artifexd

03:40:13 joecool: ;;rated artifexd

03:40:13 gribble: You have not yet rated user artifexd

03:42:18 BingoBoingo: ;;rate herbijedelstoids 1 voice

03:42:19 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

03:42:44 BingoBoingo: ;;rate herbijedelstoids 1 voice

03:42:44 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

03:43:13 BingoBoingo: ;;rate herbijudelstoids 1 voice

03:43:13 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

03:43:40 BingoBoingo: ;;rate herbijudlestoids 0

03:43:41 gribble: Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero.

03:43:51 BingoBoingo: ;;unrate herbijudlestoids

03:43:52 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for herbijudlestoids.

03:44:19 BingoBoingo: The consequences of spelling

03:48:33 benkay: lol

03:48:37 benkay: so bitvps busted cert?

03:48:41 benkay: https://bitvps.com/

03:48:41 ozbot: BitVPS: SSD VPS & Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin | SSD VPS + Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin

03:49:29 benkay: casual inspection sez ok, but chrome sez nawp

03:49:34 BingoBoingo: Wow

03:51:38 benkay: now comes my favorite part of client work

03:51:59 benkay: figuring out your crazy dns provider's web panel

03:52:08 BingoBoingo: Ah

03:53:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00095392 = 10.3023 BTC [+]

03:58:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00095308 = 10.8651 BTC [-] {2}

04:11:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11829 @ 0.00095299 = 11.2729 BTC [-]

04:29:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00095299 = 6.9568 BTC [-]

04:33:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0525 = 0.105 BTC [-] {2}

04:39:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50699999 BTC [+]

04:45:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52797797 BTC [+]

04:59:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02854669 = 0.2855 BTC [-] {6}

04:59:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.053459 = 0.2673 BTC [+]

05:00:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.028 = 0.14 BTC [-] {3}

05:00:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.053459 = 0.1604 BTC [+]

05:00:47 BingoBoingo: Trolling IRL: Expert Mode

05:00:48 BingoBoingo: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/04/16/statement-from-edson-family/1Eui4H6OIvy6Xc6F7gKNNK/story.html

05:00:49 ozbot: Statement from the Edson family - Metro - The Boston Globe

05:24:09 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: what did Kevin do?

05:24:44 BingoBoingo: ;;google boston anniversary backpack detonation

05:24:44 gribble: Two backpacks detonated by police at Boston Marathon finish line ...: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boston-marathon-finish-line-evacuated-masked-man-dumps-backpack-reports-article-1.1757577; Man arrested after dropping backpack at Boston Marathon finish line ...: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/16/suspicious-package-reported-near-boston-marathon-finish-line-police- (1 more message)

05:25:07 fluffypony: oh geeze

05:25:11 fluffypony: what an idiot

05:28:15 fluffypony: gah

05:28:17 fluffypony: don't dd in the morning

05:29:01 fluffypony: meant to kill dd with -USR1

05:29:05 fluffypony: did -HUP instead

05:29:13 fluffypony: braindead.

05:29:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05345899 = 0.1069 BTC [-] {2}

05:31:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0537725 = 0.2151 BTC [+] {4}

05:34:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.0009542 = 7.8244 BTC [+] {2}

06:00:26 kakobrekla: hi.

06:00:42 fluffypony: kakobrekla: heya

06:01:47 jurov: ello

06:01:52 Duffer1: ni

06:01:55 Duffer1: hi even

06:01:58 fluffypony: group hug!

06:03:15 bitcoinpete: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/cryptanalysis_o.html

06:03:16 ozbot: Schneier on Security: Cryptanalysis of SHA-1

06:03:51 bitcoinpete: an oldie

06:04:37 bitcoinpete: there's an old saying inside the NSA: "Attacks always get better; they never get worse."

06:09:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00095299 = 15.0096 BTC [-]

06:09:58 bitcoinpete: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-16/richest-man-asia-selling-everything-china

06:10:00 ozbot: The Richest Man In Asia Is Selling Everything In China | Zero Hedge

06:10:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35058 @ 0.0009561 = 33.519 BTC [+] {3}

06:10:39 bitcoinpete: there's a reason li ka-shing made a token investment in bitpay: best way to buy off-market coins is off merchants

06:18:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11282 @ 0.00095785 = 10.8065 BTC [+] {2}

06:40:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2794 @ 0.00072505 = 2.0258 BTC [-] {10}

06:43:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00095673 = 9.4238 BTC [-]

06:44:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00095906 = 14.6257 BTC [+] {3}

07:01:37 kakobrekla: ;;seen mircea_popescu

07:01:37 gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> later all!

07:02:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2678 @ 0.00095996 = 2.5708 BTC [+]

07:04:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.0049998 = 0.31 BTC [-]

07:06:21 kakobrekla: a well.

07:06:31 kakobrekla: i go.

07:21:04 HeySteve: http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/238ew5/warning_serious_issues_at_cryptsy/

07:21:06 ozbot: [WARNING] Serious issues at Cryptsy : dogecoin

07:27:00 kakobrekla: wtf dogecoin foundation, really.

07:28:16 jurov: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=689790241052816&set=vb.109662802398899&type=2&theater just watch and relax.

07:28:40 kakobrekla: arent you suppose to be here

07:28:56 jurov: its friday already?

07:29:18 kakobrekla: ah, no, someone else is early

07:29:24 kakobrekla: sorry

07:29:30 jurov: np :)

07:29:35 jurov: good for you

07:30:09 kakobrekla: well, its good in the sense they did open the bar, its bad that im alone :)

07:30:33 jurov: well, if you said in advance...

07:30:50 kakobrekla: m?

07:31:12 jurov: i could go a day earlier, too

07:31:27 kakobrekla: ah.

07:31:39 jurov: but i got sick anyway, better stay here a day and get better

07:31:52 kakobrekla: nothing serious ?

07:32:16 jurov: looks like not

07:32:25 kakobrekla: cool

07:32:51 Naphex: morning

07:34:04 kakobrekla: heya

07:41:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8304 @ 0.00095603 = 7.9389 BTC [-]

07:44:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC

07:45:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 21 @ 0.0075 = 0.1575 BTC [+]

08:00:58 kakobrekla: https://opencryptoaudit.org/reports/iSec_Final_Open_Crypto_Audit_Project_TrueCrypt_Security_Assessment.pdf

08:01:48 kakobrekla: Vulnerability Summary

08:01:48 kakobrekla: Total High severity issues

08:01:49 kakobrekla: Zero (0)

08:01:49 kakobrekla: Total Medium severity issues

08:01:49 kakobrekla: Four (4)

08:01:49 kakobrekla: Total Low severity issues

08:01:49 kakobrekla: Four (4)

08:03:05 kakobrekla: (to be taken with a grain of salt, excluding crypto parts !)

08:04:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00499999 = 0.145 BTC [+]

08:07:53 Duffer1: !up b3nkay

08:07:53 assbot: Voicing b3nkay for 30 minutes.

08:08:12 Duffer1: sorry was afk

08:13:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00096087 = 36.0807 BTC [+] {4}

08:29:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12796 @ 0.00095916 = 12.2734 BTC [-]

09:02:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9227 @ 0.00095329 = 8.796 BTC [-]

09:08:29 mircea_popescu: benkay: wish i got to do not much ;) << the real mark of being rich.

09:11:23 kakobrekla: they why the fuck are you telling me the work is its own reward

09:11:24 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete yeah, and bitcoin forum investment always gets better, it never gets worse.

09:11:25 gribble: The operation succeeded.

09:11:30 kakobrekla: then*

09:11:33 mircea_popescu: o look who's here! yo kako!

09:11:38 kakobrekla: hi

09:11:50 fluffypony: mircea_popescu :)

09:11:56 mircea_popescu: ima go pick up mike and then have a drink with you two

09:12:09 mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr was saying she's gonna show up too

09:12:27 kakobrekla: when is this happening?

09:12:49 mircea_popescu: coupla hours.

09:13:26 kakobrekla: aha

09:13:33 mircea_popescu: gee, don't sound so excited :D

09:14:34 kakobrekla: lol well i have been in the bar now for some time, if you gonna be couple of hrs i might change my drinks.

09:15:11 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: well, its good in the sense they did open the bar, its bad that im alone :) << geeks. travel with girlfriend, to new town, still is alone. 4EVER ALONE!

09:15:20 kakobrekla: lol

09:15:30 kakobrekla: lampelina stayed at home. :|

09:15:46 mircea_popescu: lampelina any purses left in town or didja store them all in the hotel vault ?

09:15:48 mircea_popescu: ahahah what!

09:15:59 kakobrekla: lol

09:16:02 *: kakobrekla hides.

09:16:05 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so go pick up someone.

09:16:19 kakobrekla: nah is no biggie, i like being alone really.

09:16:24 mircea_popescu: if all else fails, ask the reception desk for the massage salon and ask the girls there where they keep the girlfriends.

09:16:38 kakobrekla: lol

09:16:48 *: mircea_popescu was being serious that time.

09:17:02 kakobrekla: i know :|

09:17:05 kakobrekla: :D

09:17:41 mircea_popescu: well anyway, sucks, i was looking forward to meeting your other boss.

09:17:56 kakobrekla: lel

09:18:07 mircea_popescu: jurov: looks like not <<< he sounds.... disappointed ?!

09:18:07 kakobrekla: well you know you are welcome to visit .si

09:18:18 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i'll tell you honestly what happened.

09:18:24 mircea_popescu: i tried. like 5 times.

09:18:31 kakobrekla: liex

09:18:33 kakobrekla: lies

09:18:33 mircea_popescu: i keep ending up in austria, hungary, austria

09:18:36 kakobrekla: lol

09:18:38 mircea_popescu: it's like... uncanny

09:18:45 mircea_popescu: can't stop the car fast enough

09:18:46 kakobrekla: did ya miss the left turn?

09:19:24 mircea_popescu: who the fuck is isec

09:19:27 jurov: "looks like not" made impression i don't want to come?

09:19:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00096205 = 12.1218 BTC [+]

09:19:35 mircea_popescu: also kakobrekla since you're alone and have internet, please work :D

09:19:51 mircea_popescu: jurov a no, just, made the impression you were hoping for something serious

09:19:57 jurov: lol

09:19:58 kakobrekla: i am! bbet banner is up, mails were replied to.

09:20:01 mircea_popescu: "maybe it's typhoid!"

09:20:09 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yay!

09:20:15 kakobrekla: ;)

09:20:22 mircea_popescu: i guess you can have a new drink on me then :D

09:20:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6721 @ 0.00096185 = 6.4646 BTC [-] {2}

09:20:34 kakobrekla: ill take it!

09:20:52 jurov: and thx for the double room, but wao already made arrangements

09:20:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, going to get my cocked sucked, then get dressed, cya later all!

09:21:05 jurov: or maybe i'll abduct someone else >:]

09:21:16 kakobrekla: call me if im not in a hotel ill be near mircea_popescu

09:21:53 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what, your cell works here ?

09:22:03 kakobrekla: it shouldnt?

09:22:25 mircea_popescu: i have no idea. anyway! laters.

09:22:36 kakobrekla: later

09:22:52 fluffypony: kakobrekla: I must've missed this, but where are you and what for?

09:23:34 jurov: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition

09:23:35 ozbot: The conference, second edition pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

09:23:40 jurov: fluffypony this ^

09:23:43 fluffypony: tks

09:23:46 jurov: i'm going too

09:23:54 kakobrekla: fluffypony in the bar, to have drinks.

09:24:36 jurov: 1. drink 2. work 3. drink moar ... profit!

09:32:10 fluffypony: very cool

09:32:25 fluffypony: maybe next year the wife and I will go visit the in-laws in Germany and then come through for that

09:33:07 Naphex: pff

09:33:15 Naphex: hey mircea_popescu meeting is going on in timisoara?

09:33:58 kakobrekla: yes

09:34:18 *: fluffypony contemplates a Romanian holiday

09:35:14 Naphex: TM, is a 2 hour drive

09:35:21 Naphex: from here / Oradea

09:36:04 fluffypony: Naphex: what parts of Romania do you recommend seeing if we had to holiday there?

09:36:26 Naphex: fluffypony: tbh no idea, i spend most my holidays going somewhere else :))

09:36:30 fluffypony: lol

09:36:37 fluffypony: come to South Africa on holiday

09:36:39 fluffypony: it's beautiful here

09:37:12 Naphex: hehe i bet :)

09:37:44 Naphex: there'se probably lots of stuff to visit, but i can't recommend much :) my last holiday in romania was when i was 13-14 or something

09:37:47 Naphex: like that

09:38:04 kakobrekla: romania reminds me of bosnia tbh.

09:38:15 kakobrekla: mp is gonna be mad when he reads this but its is what it is.

09:38:44 kakobrekla: all thats missing is bullet holes in the buildings

09:39:02 Naphex: well, atleast we got potholes

09:39:03 Naphex: to make it up

09:39:43 kakobrekla: a few years back there were still holes from grenades in sarajevo

09:39:45 kakobrekla: on the road.

09:40:00 kakobrekla: prolly fixed by now

10:03:37 kakobrekla: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/cryptsy-in-disarray/2014/04/17

10:03:58 kakobrekla: another one bites the dust

10:04:36 fluffypony: kakobrekla: I think they're just on a dogecoin fork and are reloading the blockchain from scratch

10:05:00 kakobrekla: dogecoin eh

10:05:07 kakobrekla: so in the end its more trouble than its worth

10:05:20 kakobrekla: AMAZING JOB COMMUNITY

10:05:25 fluffypony: they've been on forks so often

10:05:47 fluffypony: when you've got an scrypt coin with the entire network hashrate of < 20mh/s it's a joke to end up on a fork

10:07:01 kakobrekla: dogecoin is 20mh ?

10:07:11 kakobrekla: how much gpus is that

10:07:34 kakobrekla: (i have no experience with scrypt)

10:07:48 fluffypony: no, it's not, but other coins are

10:07:52 fluffypony: dogecoin is reasonably large atm

10:08:02 kakobrekla: can we estimate gpu count?

10:08:13 fluffypony: "networkhashps" : 84463584340,

10:08:38 kakobrekla: how much scrypt hash does 500mhahs sha gpu make

10:08:51 kakobrekla: ?

10:09:05 fluffypony: ok so the network hash is about 84gh/s atm

10:09:13 fluffypony: and a 7950 hashes at ~700kh/s

10:09:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 154 @ 0.00069772 = 0.1074 BTC [-] {2}

10:09:51 kakobrekla: so are you saying theres 100k gpus mining this bullshit coin

10:10:19 fluffypony: yep

10:10:26 fluffypony: at least 120k

10:10:27 kakobrekla: zomg

10:10:36 fluffypony: (the 7950 is quite performant, there are people with older/slower cards)

10:11:38 kakobrekla: terrible

10:12:22 fluffypony: average card cost is like $200?

10:12:38 fluffypony: $24 000 000

10:12:41 kakobrekla: and burns 200w

10:13:21 HeySteve: hmm yeah mentioned cryptsy failing this morning

10:13:27 HeySteve: be interesting if it falls over

10:18:49 davout: kakobrekla: so you're already in timisoara ?

10:18:57 kakobrekla: since yesterday evening

10:20:22 kakobrekla: anyway , cant sit anymore, going for a walk

10:20:23 kakobrekla: later.

10:21:25 davout: hf!

10:21:42 davout: argh

10:21:50 davout: gonna rain this week end apparently

10:27:42 HeySteve: so the final ruling is expected in June huh?

10:27:50 HeySteve: I will let you guys know if it's accepted

10:29:42 HeySteve: oh wrong window :/

10:37:24 fluffypony: davout: is Instawallet indefinitely dead or are you still peripherally working on a resurrection?

10:37:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00095288 = 5.8602 BTC [-]

10:38:24 davout: fluffypony: it's dead. i may at some point start working back on it, but it definitely won't be in the same form

10:39:03 davout: fluffypony: if it comes back it'll be some sort of lightweight version of blockchain.info, the URL would be the actual private key for the wallet

10:39:18 fluffypony: yeah I like the way blockchain handles things from that perspective

10:39:29 davout: but i can think of quite a few reasons why that would be a bad idea anyway

10:39:38 fluffypony: well it's a tough space

10:39:46 fluffypony: because anyone "in the know" won't use a webwallet

10:39:52 fluffypony: but there are tons of people who want to

10:39:54 davout: first reason: if the URL is your key, the server will hear about it

10:40:37 fluffypony: davout: BIP38 the key?

10:40:43 davout: i'm not really sure i want to promote web-based wallets anymore

10:40:43 fluffypony: on the client side, I mean

10:41:00 davout: yeah, that would be a solution

10:44:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00095542 = 33.1531 BTC [+] {3}

10:58:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00095801 = 10.6818 BTC [+] {2}

11:11:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.000957 = 6.699 BTC [-]

11:22:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0667999 = 0.2004 BTC [-]

11:27:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00096035 = 15.3656 BTC [+]

11:29:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.50005304 = 3.5004 BTC [-] {6}

11:38:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000659 = 0.1318 BTC [-] {4}

11:40:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8033 @ 0.00096139 = 7.7228 BTC [+] {2}

12:29:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0655005 = 0.262 BTC [-] {3}

12:42:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26208 @ 0.00096374 = 25.2577 BTC [+] {5}

13:39:09 fluffypony: !up mrstickball

13:39:09 assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

13:41:09 mrstickball: thanks

13:41:21 fluffypony: np

13:42:37 TestingUnoDosTre: .d

13:42:37 ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 23 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.0615% in 0d 3h 12m 49s

13:42:50 TestingUnoDosTre: Twenty tree blocks!

13:44:26 mrstickball: What supports S.MPOE's valuation? It looks like annual dividend is 1%, and there is no volume outside of S.MPOE itself

13:46:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05271665 = 0.3163 BTC [-] {6}

13:51:46 TestingUnoDosTre: I've always wondered that myself. Perhaps the ability to grow?

13:51:56 TestingUnoDosTre: Pretty unique venue

13:53:39 mrstickball: That is a possibility, but again.. the dividends don't bear that out

13:53:48 mrstickball: 1% APY since last year

13:53:53 TestingUnoDosTre: Methinks the best chance to gain a profit was purchasing at IPO

13:54:58 TestingUnoDosTre: Past years dividends don't reflect much on say the next 2 to 3 years though...

13:55:08 mrstickball: certainly, but why so much volume?

13:55:32 mrstickball: you're looking at >100 BTC volume in the past day

13:55:55 TestingUnoDosTre: It's probably the the only stock worth trading on MPOE

13:56:06 mrstickball: could be

13:56:15 mrstickball: why have they never listed other companies?

13:56:25 mrstickball: It seems like such an odd model compared to Havelock or Cryptostocks

13:56:43 TestingUnoDosTre: Both of those are outright fucked

13:57:15 mrstickball: Cryptostocks is, certainly

13:57:22 mrstickball: but my point was both try to list new companies

13:57:29 TestingUnoDosTre: Go to bitbet, search Havelock, and see how many people think it will last through november

13:57:48 pankkake: it has listed other companies

13:58:08 pankkake: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/

13:58:09 ozbot: The list of discontinued assets on MPEx pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:00:46 mrstickball: They haven't listed any independent companies in a year if I am reading that right

14:00:57 fluffypony: mrstickball: can't comment on the accuracy/efficacy of this article, but here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108

14:01:13 pankkake: that seems to be the case

14:02:47 TestingUnoDosTre: I do think there was quite a bit of discontent with the satoshi dice closing

14:03:16 TestingUnoDosTre: But in all honesty, I haven't invested a satoshi in any of these businesses

14:03:46 mrstickball: right

14:03:54 mrstickball: I was just curious because the volume is so.... strange

14:04:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.053 = 0.583 BTC [-]

14:04:14 mrstickball: its easily the largest stock/entity of Bitcoin securities, but seems not to warrant it in my view

14:04:15 fluffypony: oh didn't realise, that article I linked to is by asciilifeform

14:04:24 mrstickball: but maybe those that invest in it have access to something I do not

14:04:28 mrstickball: hmm

14:04:31 mrstickball: interesting

14:04:36 fluffypony: who now works with MP on S.NSA

14:04:43 mrstickball: right

14:04:46 mrstickball: which is interesting

14:05:32 TestingUnoDosTre: Ascii is a chick?

14:06:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.053 = 0.318 BTC [-]

14:06:30 fluffypony: no

14:06:49 TestingUnoDosTre: Also, would like to see how the volume changed if he opened entry fee to something like 5 btc

14:07:14 TestingUnoDosTre: Oh that's just a quote

14:07:14 fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: you'd have a lot more nervous (dangerous) traders

14:07:25 fluffypony: imho

14:07:55 TestingUnoDosTre: But they would moat likely have a lot less capital to toss around

14:08:02 jurov: what's the problem with using broker?

14:08:04 fluffypony: besides, you can use CoinBr instead of paying the 30 BTC

14:08:18 fluffypony: https://coinbr.com/about

14:08:19 ozbot: About CoinBr

14:08:22 fluffypony: "Account management fee : 0.019 BTC monthly."

14:08:25 TestingUnoDosTre: The fees are more than I pay fidelity

14:08:28 fluffypony: "Buying/Selling/Option exercise fee : 0.5% from traded amount in BTC"

14:08:32 fluffypony: "BTC withdrawals and asset transfers : 0.02 BTC per."

14:08:49 mrstickball: I assume the 30 BTC is to provide some sort of barrier to prove sophistication

14:08:54 fluffypony: R100/month isn't bad for brokerage services

14:09:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12549 @ 0.00096751 = 12.1413 BTC [+] {2}

14:09:47 fluffypony: !up mrstickball

14:09:47 assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

14:09:56 mrstickball: thanks

14:10:12 mrstickball: I gotta pull out my gribble OTC keys from my old machine to get back in to the WOT

14:10:41 fluffypony: mrstickball: yes, if you've got the money and sense to invest and play with tens or hundreds of thousands of USD equivalent, the 30 BTC makes sure you know that it's serious

14:11:00 TestingUnoDosTre: And its also counterparty risk

14:12:10 TestingUnoDosTre: It's slightly ridiculous though. Last year, it cost approx 1/5 USD equivalent to join. Where's the added value?

14:12:32 *: fluffypony shrugs

14:12:56 fluffypony: it'll possibly be revisited at some point, but only MP can answer that

14:13:22 mrstickball: oh well

14:13:32 mrstickball: so what other exchanges are out there currently?

14:13:43 mrstickball: MPex, Havelock, Cryptostocks, Picostocks..?

14:13:59 jurov: and lulzbourse

14:14:03 pankkake: Crypto-Trade

14:14:26 fluffypony: jurov: when are we starting DogeBourse?

14:14:27 pankkake: (me saying that name is not an endorsment far from it)

14:14:29 fluffypony: :-P

14:14:37 fluffypony: mrstickball: Litecoininvest

14:14:42 mrstickball: ah yeah

14:14:47 mrstickball: why'd I forget LTCI

14:14:52 pankkake: oh and CipherTrade is supposed to open one day

14:14:53 fluffypony: CipherTrade (lol)

14:14:58 *: fluffypony ^5 pankkake

14:15:00 fluffypony: you owe me a coke

14:16:18 fluffypony: mrstickball: http://fraudsters.com/2012/how-does-one-list-on-mpex/ <- if you read through that and the follow up BitBet article it gives pause...compare that to Moolah's IPO (on their blog) or the stringent "requirements" for listing on most exchanges

14:17:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2508 @ 0.00012011 = 0.3012 BTC [-] {2}

14:17:48 mrstickball: I hear you

14:18:05 mrstickball: ATM, I am looking at what my fundraising options are

14:18:51 fluffypony: mrstickball: I've been thinking the same thing

14:18:55 TestingUnoDosTre: Personally, I would find a small group of people to invest initially before ipo ing on a public exchange

14:19:06 mrstickball: I already have a fair amount of backing

14:19:12 mrstickball: I want to make it larger.. a fair bit larger

14:19:20 fluffypony: I wonder how the Lending section on Bitcointalk would react to a LoC listing ala DeathAndTaxes?

14:19:31 TestingUnoDosTre: Well are you running and generating cash flow yet?

14:19:37 mrstickball: yes

14:19:41 mrstickball: $500,000 last year

14:19:46 mrstickball: $100,000/mo currently

14:20:01 mrstickball: just landed a contract with a US retailer to bring mining products to 3 dozen US stores

14:22:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-] {2}

14:22:58 fluffypony: mrstickball: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114507.0

14:23:08 fluffypony: they also did subsequent LoCs for higher amounts

14:23:23 fluffypony: the latter ones are also very good templates for how to do a LoC

14:23:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05125 = 0.1025 BTC [-] {2}

14:23:41 mrstickball: interesting

14:23:43 fluffypony: and you don't need to give up equity for it unnecessarily

14:25:35 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141016.0

14:25:37 ozbot: [Funded] Tangible Cryptography LLC seeks LoC to expand working capital

14:25:47 TestingUnoDosTre: Got a website mrstickball? Would like to check out

14:25:54 fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: buyahash.com

14:25:59 mrstickball: BuyAHash.com

14:26:13 mrstickball: We do a lot of mining business on EBay, Amazon, through the eStore

14:26:24 mrstickball: I also snagged a >$50,000 order from a major US computer retailer

14:26:47 mrstickball: so we're looking to work with them to put Bitcoin mining hardware in most states. I know our webstore needs a site revision (working on that currently)

14:28:08 TestingUnoDosTre: Don't care about aesthetics, not too much value to them

14:29:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15095 @ 0.00096876 = 14.6234 BTC [+]

14:30:27 Duffer1: mrstickball are you Benny?

14:30:57 TestingUnoDosTre: This maybe a stupid question, but can those miners return a positive roi any more?

14:31:01 mrstickball: yes?

14:31:08 mrstickball: TestingUnoDosTre: which miners?

14:31:14 mrstickball: Grids? GPUs?

14:31:20 rithm: why anyone would still be stupid enough to buy mining contracts is beyond me

14:31:46 mrstickball: its a good racket for the people selling the contracts

14:31:54 rithm: yes. yes i know.

14:31:59 mrstickball: now, something can be said for BetaRigs contracts to IPOMiner

14:32:00 Duffer1: mrstickball are you not going to list on ciphertrade?

14:32:03 mrstickball: you can make a killing there if it works right

14:32:23 mrstickball: Duffer1: we likely are. However, it may be awhile before we can list due to some regulatory questions

14:32:33 Duffer1: i see

14:32:33 mrstickball: so I am simply shopping around and to educate myself further on options

14:32:45 fluffypony: Duffer1: we're also supposed to be an initial listing on CipherTrade

14:32:50 fluffypony: but I admit to a bit of cold feet

14:32:54 mrstickball: we're still committed to CT, but its always good to look around

14:32:59 mrstickball: CT will be great once its up

14:33:10 Duffer1: if it can get up

14:33:11 fluffypony: yeah I'm just nervous about the changes higher up

14:33:17 fluffypony: I had an agreement with Kate

14:33:25 mrstickball: Si will honor the agreement

14:33:25 fluffypony: and that agreement looks to have fallen away

14:33:27 mrstickball: and I can vouch for you

14:33:27 Duffer1: ciphermine shareholders are U-N-H-A-P-P-Y

14:33:36 fluffypony: mrstickball: I've been chatting to him about it

14:33:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0665 = 0.5985 BTC [+]

14:33:45 mrstickball: unfortunately, Kate quasi-screwed everyone over

14:33:48 mrstickball: due to health

14:33:54 fluffypony: he's a nice fellow, I'm just letting sleeping dogs lie atm till I figure out my next move

14:33:57 mrstickball: all interactions I've had with Si are beyond fantastic

14:34:06 fluffypony: mrstickball: yeah I know it's not Kate's fault

14:34:11 mrstickball: if Si had been running CM from the get-go or CT from the get-go, there wouldn't be issues

14:34:15 *: fluffypony nods

14:34:16 fluffypony: I agree

14:34:24 Apocalyptic: Si ?

14:34:27 Duffer1: imo it is Kate's fault, or at least Kate's diseases fault

14:34:54 mrstickball: pretty much

14:35:04 mrstickball: Kate / lack of communication when everything went FUBAR

14:35:05 fluffypony: Duffer1: well there's a lot to be said for a succession plan

14:35:18 mrstickball: they are buying more rigs. I gotta deliver 40 Grids to them shortly w/ the voltage mods

14:35:20 Duffer1: ya would have been nice if there was one

14:35:21 mrstickball: so they do have working capital

14:35:32 mrstickball: Duffer1: I believe they about have that done now

14:37:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00097057 = 18.9261 BTC [+] {2}

14:38:07 Duffer1: is Kate bi-polar?

14:38:44 fluffypony: I have no idea, spoke to her on the phone a few times and she seemed quite nice

14:39:40 mrstickball: I wish I could tell you

14:39:57 mrstickball: for awhile, I thought Kate was Jon W's alter-ego or something, because they both disappeared at the same time

14:40:09 Duffer1: Jon W = Deprived?

14:40:50 fluffypony: !up mrstickball

14:40:50 assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

14:41:26 Duffer1: fluffypony what's your project that your listing?

14:41:41 fluffypony: Duffer1: OpenRigs

14:41:47 Duffer1: oh cool

14:53:42 mrstickball: Duffer1: yeah

14:53:48 mrstickball: sorry about the delayed response

14:54:02 Duffer1: no worries

14:54:06 mrstickball: Jon W and Kate disappeared nearly the same day as each other. Seemed odd

14:54:21 Duffer1: you're right, everyone suspects they're the same person

14:54:28 mrstickball: and I started thinking that Kate's last name was Wood, so maybe Jon W = Jon Wood

14:54:51 mrstickball: but all the digging I did for a Jon W turned up a securities guy that stepped in front of a bus and killed himself due to.......get this.........securities fraud

14:55:13 Duffer1: oh snap

14:55:16 Duffer1: how long ago?

14:55:22 mrstickball: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2411533/John-Wood-killed-motorway-hours-stand-trial-6-figure-fraud.html

14:55:23 ozbot: John Wood 'killed himself on motorway hours before he was due to stand trial for 6-figure fraud' | M

14:56:30 Duffer1: kate's dad?

14:56:36 mrstickball: I am trying to dig that up

14:56:43 mrstickball: I don't think there was any relation, AFAIK

14:58:19 mrstickball: so that was a dead end, at least from what I saw

14:59:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00097078 = 13.2026 BTC [+] {2}

15:01:28 TestingUnoDosTre: Holy shiy

15:02:34 Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg5686030#msg5686030

15:02:36 ozbot: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS)

15:03:28 artifexd: mrstickball: Are the "in stock" statements on your site accurate?

15:03:58 mrstickball: they should be. Once in awhile there may be an item that has to be revised

15:04:04 mrstickball: due to selling out on Amazon, for example

15:04:09 mrstickball: which item are you looking at?

15:04:28 artifexd: The ice-fury usb is the one I had up when I asked

15:04:33 mrstickball: ah

15:04:37 mrstickball: yeah, we have about 60 in

15:07:33 Duffer1: unless someone took over the Deprived account the day of that John Ws demise then it's not the same person

15:08:01 fluffypony: maybe John K == Deprived

15:08:20 mrstickball: that'd also be interesting

15:08:50 mrstickball: Duffer1: right. I just thought it was unfathomably odd that there's a John W that killed himself due to fraud like that in a similar window of time

15:08:56 mrstickball: certainly a strange coincidence.

15:09:05 Duffer1: oh i agree

15:09:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00097188 = 9.2329 BTC [+] {2}

15:09:23 TestingUnoDosTre: Ok so that ice fury is for bitcoin right

15:09:51 artifexd: I imagine it would work with any sha256 coin.

15:10:01 fluffypony: mrstickball: well having spoken to Kate on the phone I can confirm she is female and British

15:10:20 Duffer1: female sounding hehe

15:10:23 fluffypony: hah hah

15:10:25 fluffypony: yes

15:10:34 fluffypony: a very effeminate Briton

15:10:53 TestingUnoDosTre: I've calculated 25 month to break even at current diff with no electricity costs

15:11:19 fluffypony: sounds about right

15:11:20 fluffypony: !up mrstickball

15:11:20 assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

15:11:22 artifexd: TestingUnoDosTre: That translates to effectively never

15:11:23 mrstickball: TestingUnoDosTre: on a Grid?

15:11:35 TestingUnoDosTre: For ice fury

15:11:40 TestingUnoDosTre: That's what I'm saying

15:11:51 mrstickball: ahh

15:11:54 TestingUnoDosTre: Isn't the inventory worthless?

15:12:03 fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: I think the point is to mine, pay electricity out of pocket, and HODL until BTC has risen sufficiently to profit from it

15:12:11 mrstickball: Just about. The problem is that the factory sent them to me to liquidate them

15:12:14 artifexd: I am not aware of a single asic currently available that will ever make its money back.

15:12:19 mrstickball: I may drop the price a bunch and just throw 'em out

15:12:40 mrstickball: artifexd: they never will if you're looking at paying cash for them vs. buying BTC

15:12:41 fluffypony: you'd be surprised at the number of old BFL ASICs still selling on eBay

15:12:49 mrstickball: but I'd say the catch is if difficulty slows down, you'd be good

15:12:50 TestingUnoDosTre: I know that

15:12:52 artifexd: mrstickball: exactly

15:12:54 mrstickball: mining is a hedge against huge diff increases

15:13:05 TestingUnoDosTre: Opposite

15:13:17 mrstickball: if you weren't seeing 20% diff increases every 10-12 days... it'd be very easy to ROI. But the ASIC arms race is only now starting to slow

15:13:27 TestingUnoDosTre: Mining gets racked against huge diff increase

15:14:03 artifexd: AM almost has gen 3 ready so the difficulty will probably start spiking again in a month or two.

15:14:07 fluffypony: yeah

15:14:18 Duffer1: !up mircea_popescu

15:14:18 assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu for 30 minutes.

15:14:23 fluffypony: but they are going to reach the limits of easily accessible fab, right

15:14:31 nubbins`: hi

15:14:31 fluffypony: so then they'll have to focus on power efficiency or whatever

15:14:32 mrstickball: yeah

15:14:35 mrstickball: they are just about there

15:14:40 artifexd: mircea_popescu`: I was too slow

15:14:49 mrstickball: 110nm -> 55nm is huge

15:14:50 nubbins`: artifexd: see hostname ;(

15:14:57 mrstickball: 55nm -> 28nm is also huge

15:15:02 fluffypony: yep

15:15:06 mrstickball: but anything sub-28nm isn't going to be as large

15:15:07 artifexd: !up mircea_popescu`

15:15:07 assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu` for 30 minutes.

15:15:10 TestingUnoDosTre: Even with a 10 percent diff increase, diff doubles every 7 to 8 months

15:15:10 mircea_popescu`: o hay

15:15:15 mrstickball: and if you look, daily diff changes are a lot lower

15:15:24 mrstickball: yeah. Its still a bad proposition

15:17:38 TestingUnoDosTre: Daily diff change?

15:18:22 mrstickball: yeah

15:18:23 TestingUnoDosTre: So do you have to pay for the miners, or do you just get commission?

15:18:25 mrstickball: let me find the chart

15:18:33 mrstickball: on this batch of Ice furies, its commission

15:18:46 mrstickball: but that is literally the only line of products I've done commission on

15:18:54 mrstickball: rest I own outright including the 500 Grids in front of me

15:19:52 artifexd: Scrypt asics?

15:19:54 mircea_popescu`: aite, that's all for now :) laters all.

15:19:57 mrstickball: yeah

15:20:18 benkay: have fun confrees

15:20:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05341666 = 0.1068 BTC [+] {2}

15:20:47 TestingUnoDosTre: I don't understand what you mean by daily diff change? Hashrate increase?

15:20:53 nubbins`: ugh, cavirtex now requires verification of bank accounts

15:20:55 mrstickball: yeah

15:20:57 mrstickball: let me pull the chart

15:21:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.49500074 = 1.98 BTC [-] {3}

15:22:01 fluffypony: nubbins`: easily, or crazy-documentation-required?

15:22:19 nubbins`: easily, but an unexpected speed bump

15:26:03 benkay: nubbins`: you're trading with those criminals?

15:26:14 nubbins`: well, apparently not ;D

15:26:47 mrstickball: http://bitmine.ch/growth.png

15:26:47 nubbins`: needed to turn some btc into CAD sorta quickly

15:26:51 mrstickball: that was the chart I was looking at

15:28:59 TestingUnoDosTre: Kinda retarded here, but how does a network hashrate increase change my ability to find a block at constant diff? Does it drop linearly with hashrate increase?

15:29:50 mrstickball: it doesn't affect it until the difficulty change

15:30:04 mrstickball: otherwise, it drops with the difficulty increase

15:31:21 TestingUnoDosTre: So how is mining a hedge against diff increase?

15:32:08 mrstickball: its a hedge against the belief it increases

15:32:19 mrstickball: e.g. if it doesn't increase, you mine more, and make money back faster

15:32:54 mrstickball: for example.. if you spent $2,000 on a mining rig in April 2013 and $2000 on LTC, and did a buy & hold until, say... December... the rig would have returned far more

15:33:18 mrstickball: because difficulty did not increase between June and October

15:33:24 TestingUnoDosTre: Let's talk about btc here

15:33:34 TestingUnoDosTre: Where difficulty increases

15:33:51 mrstickball: right

15:33:54 TestingUnoDosTre: Because it's quite the opposite

15:35:25 mrstickball: again, the issue is with the declining diff increases

15:35:36 mrstickball: as per the chart I showed you, there's been a steady reduction since the peak in September

15:35:39 mrstickball: from 3% daily to 1% daily

15:35:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00097346 = 17.717 BTC [+]

15:35:44 TestingUnoDosTre: If I buy a miner, expecting to roi in 180 days at constant diff, even with electricity. Costs factored in, I'm fucked

15:36:36 TestingUnoDosTre: But that's a decline on daily diff increases, not diff increases

15:36:53 fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre

15:36:56 TestingUnoDosTre: Just means the diff increase are tapering off

15:36:58 fluffypony: how are you calculating ROI?

15:37:13 TestingUnoDosTre: Let's say you have USD today

15:37:32 TestingUnoDosTre: Question is- purchase btc, or purchase rig

15:37:43 benkay: btc

15:37:45 fluffypony: btc

15:37:46 fluffypony: always

15:37:52 TestingUnoDosTre: No shit

15:38:00 TestingUnoDosTre: So who is buying his rigs?

15:38:02 benkay: unless you're buying in bulk and getting a great deal net 30 on delivery mining's a scam.

15:39:14 fluffypony: benkay: the other exception I've seen is with GPU rigs mining profitable altcoins, as theres always a new pump-and-dump "ASIC-resistant" scamcoin being touted. drive them hard for 2-3 years or until unprofitable, and then part out the equipment to gamers

15:39:20 fluffypony: you can't do that with ASICs

15:39:28 nubbins`: benkay +1

15:39:34 TestingUnoDosTre: The guy has a business selling rigs that will never roi have a remote chance of roi. You're never going to build a returning customer base

15:39:42 benkay: if you're selling mining chips to gamers you're a scammer too.

15:40:01 fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: you understand that not every miner wants profitability, right?

15:40:02 nubbins`: if that's your exit strategy, you should probably reconsider as well

15:40:32 nubbins`: "for sale: year-old gfx card, partially melted"

15:40:52 TestingUnoDosTre: Please explain fluff.

15:40:59 fluffypony: nubbins`: "just like new except very dusty and with a few blown caps, balance of warranty (1 month left)"

15:41:16 TestingUnoDosTre: And don't use the whole securing the network argument

15:41:17 fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: Dogecoin has this "join the Doge Defense Force" thing where people mine with their cards when they're not playing games or whatever to strengthen the network

15:41:33 nubbins`: blown caps are where it's at

15:41:45 fluffypony: you'd be surprised at how altruistic the individual miner is

15:41:45 TestingUnoDosTre: I don't want to hear about shitcoins

15:42:03 fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: ok so then take the Jalapeno as an example

15:42:10 TestingUnoDosTre: Mkay

15:42:23 fluffypony: it was marketed as a coffee cup warmer

15:42:27 fluffypony: final product not so much

15:42:28 benkay: fluffypony re doge defense forces if one must manipulate psychology to deliver hashpower one's doing it entirely wrong.

15:42:45 fluffypony: but there are tons of people in the mining community that are casual miner

15:42:47 fluffypony: *miners

15:43:03 fluffypony: they bought a Jalapeno, mined for a bit, flipped it on eBay or turned it off when it was no longer covering electricity

15:43:10 benkay: they don't matter or count.

15:43:21 benkay: the only ones who do are the large farms.

15:43:22 fluffypony: some of them went from that to a USB Block Erupter

15:43:24 TestingUnoDosTre: Casual miners aka people who casually flush money or btc down toilet?

15:43:28 fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: exactly

15:43:39 fluffypony: benkay: contextually we're talking about buyahash's market

15:43:41 fluffypony: and whether it's a scam

15:43:43 fluffypony: !up mrstickball

15:43:43 assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

15:44:05 fluffypony: my argument is that it's not, as the audience is the casual miner

15:44:09 TestingUnoDosTre: Its not a scam as much as a questionable business venture

15:44:09 fluffypony: not the large farms

15:44:31 benkay: it's just pmb turds in a fancy css wrapper

15:44:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00097347 = 3.7965 BTC [+] {2}

15:45:01 TestingUnoDosTre: Casual miners or people who have just heard about btc and never tried mining before?

15:45:05 benkay: o wait this isn't the exchange thinger?

15:45:05 fluffypony: we could argue that any ASIC manufacturer is a questionable business venture :-P

15:45:09 fluffypony: benkay: no

15:45:15 fluffypony: benkay: buyahash.com

15:45:40 fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: yeah, it's people who hear about it and decide to spend a few hundred Dollars *max* on playing around with mining

15:46:04 benkay: who cares?

15:46:04 fluffypony: or a few thousand if they're particularly confident in it

15:46:16 fluffypony: benkay: TestingUnoDosTre does :)

15:46:17 TestingUnoDosTre: What about knc. Coulnt their product have actually worked out initially?

15:46:19 benkay: it's like that guy next to the important place with a cart full of cheaply made crap

15:46:34 benkay: "buy a souvenier! take home a bit of the sphinx!"

15:46:56 fluffypony: benkay: sure, and some people want to take home a bit of the sphinx, even if it's all an illusion

15:47:06 fluffypony: doesn't make the vendor questionable per se

15:47:07 TestingUnoDosTre: Except with that you might still have a positive memory of your trips to Egypt

15:47:42 benkay: except that the implication (never stated) of these asic vendors is that you might make some money with it.

15:48:42 fluffypony: I think the bottom line is that it's fallatious to fault a company that sees an opportunity to sell shovels in a gold rush

15:49:00 benkay: fellatious

15:49:07 TestingUnoDosTre: Well there's also an advantage to receiving bitcoin outside of an" established" exchange. I think this is somewhat true

15:49:14 fluffypony: mmmm fellatio

15:49:21 TestingUnoDosTre: Lol

15:49:33 fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: true, but I doubt 95% of them even consider that

15:50:05 TestingUnoDosTre: It's totally analingus to invest in a company that behaves in such a manner

15:50:24 fluffypony: mmm anal lingus

15:50:41 fluffypony: no wonder everyone complains about mpex's porn chat, look at this conversation!

15:50:50 TestingUnoDosTre: Wish I could have found a way to swap that for analogous, but not that quick on my feet

15:51:05 benkay: who's complaining?

15:51:16 TestingUnoDosTre: .bait

15:51:18 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ervrPG8Q1qcr2gxo1_500.jpg

15:51:22 benkay: oz's back!

15:51:29 benkay: lovely.

15:51:34 TestingUnoDosTre: Oz is amazing

15:51:34 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

15:52:04 fluffypony: benkay: benkay : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108

15:52:15 fluffypony: "Bitcoinner says: February 10, 2013 at 7:50 pm That stock exchange is horrible, the PR person on bitcointalk acts like a retard. They host porn on the same server they host the exchange from. STAY AWAY FROM THIS EXCHANGE!!!"

15:52:32 fluffypony: :-P

15:52:51 benkay: oh the forum

15:52:57 benkay: figured as much.

15:53:51 TestingUnoDosTre: It took me a while to realize the forum is %100 propaganda or regards. Even after I read that accounts could be purchased in bulk

15:53:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00486684 = 0.1849 BTC [-] {4}

15:54:04 TestingUnoDosTre: regards*

15:54:08 benkay: ah anyways yes some business-boats can float on the sea of lies that is the mining space.

15:54:13 TestingUnoDosTre: Fucking auto correct

15:54:38 fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: every few weeks there's someone selling an aged forum account...ON the forum, and people complain about it and promptly are told that it's allowed

15:54:41 TestingUnoDosTre: Hoe about businesses upon businesses upon businesses?

15:54:44 benkay: perhaps even some btc can be extracted from the morons swimming in that sea.

15:55:07 fluffypony: getting paid for building the long con is a viable business model for the supplier

15:55:52 TestingUnoDosTre: Yes, it's going to be sad when some of the big ones start to fall

15:56:16 TestingUnoDosTre: Lots of trust out the door. Probably cheap coins for sale though

15:56:50 benkay: who are these big ones, TestingUnoDosTre ?

15:57:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00097303 = 10.9466 BTC [-]

15:57:19 TestingUnoDosTre: Bitstamp, btc, havelock, etc

15:57:26 TestingUnoDosTre: Btce

15:57:39 fluffypony: I don't think they're all inherently scammy by default

15:57:39 benkay: it's just a damn fog of scam out there

15:57:54 fluffypony: btc-e are an interesting one

15:58:02 fluffypony: they've had plenty of opportunity to cut and run, but they don't

15:58:17 TestingUnoDosTre: Long live the long con

15:58:22 fluffypony: yeah but how long?

15:58:40 benkay: just about 7.5"

15:58:40 fluffypony: they've gotten more than enough volume, they won't get significantly more than they have, surely?

15:58:47 fluffypony: benkay: not bad

15:58:56 *: fluffypony gets a ruler

15:58:58 TestingUnoDosTre: How about all the wallet software out there. That will shake some confidence

15:59:26 fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: web wallets or actual wallets?

15:59:48 TestingUnoDosTre: Not worried about actual ones of course

16:00:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.46002048 BTC to 8`421 shares, 41088 satoshi per share

16:00:08 *: fluffypony shrugs

16:00:21 fluffypony: Blockchain's wallet seems to be about the biggest

16:00:36 fluffypony: them and StrongCoin

16:00:52 TestingUnoDosTre: How about smartphone stuff. How big are those?

16:01:06 benkay: pennies

16:02:29 TestingUnoDosTre: What about pennies?

16:02:48 benkay: that's what's in the btc smartphone market.

16:03:48 TestingUnoDosTre: Ah

16:13:25 TestingUnoDosTre: How much money do you think the bitcoin atm business is worth? Very hard for me to judge

16:14:16 benkay: selling 'em appears to work.

16:14:16 fluffypony: no clue

16:14:27 benkay: nobody seems to have done the hard numbers on foot traffic for the operator.

16:14:28 fluffypony: everyone raves about how many Bitcoin ATMs there are and that are coming

16:14:34 fluffypony: and then the next post is about how difficult they are to use

16:15:22 fluffypony: !up mrstickball

16:15:22 assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

16:15:31 mrstickball: what's the cost right now on an ATM?

16:15:39 fluffypony: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/alexis-ohanian-reddit-technology-banned-words/

16:15:39 mrstickball: I am thinking of putting one in a PC retail store

16:15:39 ozbot: Reddit cofounder drops r/technology mod status after censorship drama

16:16:13 benkay: mrstickball: 1kusd give or take

16:16:18 mrstickball: nice

16:16:29 TestingUnoDosTre: I though it was more like 10

16:16:34 mrstickball: I assumed 10

16:17:09 TestingUnoDosTre: Also, I thought you had to register as a money transmitter in US

16:17:51 mrstickball: ahhh

16:18:00 mrstickball: as the ATM owner/operator?

16:18:03 benkay: there are a million reasons to avoid the atm's

16:18:14 mrstickball: benkay: it'd be interesting

16:18:31 mrstickball: the reason I ask is due to my contract with a major US PC retailer that wants to sell bitcoin/litecoin products

16:18:42 mrstickball: my thought is to do a mining kiosk / ATM in each store

16:18:43 benkay: ;;gettrust mrstickball

16:18:44 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013

16:19:02 mrstickball: benkay: I gotta re-download my wallet to auth with Gribble. If you give me maybe 2hrs, I can re-auth

16:19:19 TestingUnoDosTre: Curious to ask. Anyone ever tried trading bitcoins for cash in an airport, or is that asking for trouble?

16:19:24 benkay: i don't care, man.

16:19:31 mrstickball: airport? ha

16:19:37 mrstickball: I've done cash through mail though

16:19:38 mrstickball: felt strange

16:19:52 fluffypony: CIM?

16:19:53 fluffypony: :-P

16:19:55 TestingUnoDosTre: Seriously, I travel through airports frequently

16:19:56 fluffypony: !ud CIM

16:20:18 TestingUnoDosTre: !Up CIM

16:20:18 assbot: Voicing CIM for 30 minutes.

16:20:26 fluffypony: lol

16:20:26 fluffypony: no

16:20:31 benkay: ;;ud cim

16:20:31 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CIM | Upload a picture of Cim. 2. cim. Cum In Mouth. Meaning ejaculation of the man's sperm into anothers mouth. This may or may not be followed by the swallowing ...

16:20:32 fluffypony: wasn't what I was trying to do

16:20:32 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: CIM

16:20:34 fluffypony: there we go

16:20:37 fluffypony: tks benkay

16:20:45 TestingUnoDosTre: Lol

16:21:18 TestingUnoDosTre: Cash through mail- did you wait to send btc until cash was received?

16:21:31 cgcardona_: : has anyone actually used a btc atm? I've not used one yet. they didn't have any in SF before I left.

16:21:36 mrstickball: uh, yeah, TestingUnoDosTre

16:21:45 mrstickball: I knew the person. He needed BTC. He did CIM via express, got here OK

16:21:49 mrstickball: but I bet I'm on a government list now

16:21:54 mrstickball: I told him to do a cashiers check

16:21:56 TestingUnoDosTre: Lol

16:22:08 nubbins`: ;;ud cim

16:22:08 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CIM | Upload a picture of Cim. 2. cim. Cum In Mouth. Meaning ejaculation of the man's sperm into anothers mouth. This may or may not be followed by the swallowing ...

16:22:09 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: CIM

16:22:14 mrstickball: and all of a sudden, I find a swelling padded mailer with a few K in it

16:22:49 mrstickball: lol

16:23:14 TestingUnoDosTre: Did you inspect all the bills?

16:24:46 cgcardona_: What's the general consensus on Ethereum? Something to watch or crapcoin?

16:25:08 benkay: scam.

16:25:19 mrstickball: there are so many weird coins out

16:25:27 mrstickball: would be worth looking

16:25:29 cgcardona_: I'm really just looking in to it recently . Can you elaborate benkay ?

16:25:46 fluffypony: cgcardona_: benkay is a bot, he says that as a response to a mention of any altcoin

16:25:55 fluffypony: eg. ponycoin?

16:26:22 mrstickball: DOGECoin?

16:26:35 fluffypony: benkay: ^^^

16:26:54 benkay: look

16:26:57 benkay: i am a purchaser of compute

16:27:05 benkay: i am not paying per operation.

16:27:15 benkay: i am not running on your distributed compute network.

16:27:30 benkay: i am leasing a fucking processor with some fucking ram and running some calculations.

16:27:50 benkay: distributed autonomous corporations are the pipe dream of nerds who've never incorporated or run any business.

16:27:59 pankkake: fluffypony: actually, I made a bot a few months earlier.

16:28:01 pankkake: !up pircea_momescu

16:28:01 assbot: Voicing pircea_momescu for 30 minutes.

16:28:10 pankkake: is ethereum a scam?

16:28:10 pircea_momescu: pankkake ethereum is a scam !

16:28:15 fluffypony: lol

16:28:19 TestingUnoDosTre: What's your take on auroracoin benkay. Scamcoin or. ... nevermind

16:28:26 fluffypony: ethereum is amazing!

16:28:26 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:28:29 *: fluffypony hugs assbot

16:29:00 fluffypony: pankkake: that's awesome, it should stay in chan

16:29:17 TestingUnoDosTre: What does ethereum actually do? Has anyone seen a result compared to promises?

16:29:35 benkay: that's a good basis point for your analysis.

16:29:38 pankkake: it disconnects and never comes back, and it happens in the irc lib, and I never got around figuring why

16:29:42 cgcardona_: i think they're just rolling out the testnet and even it is real buggy

16:29:58 benkay: billmoyers.com/2014/04/16/paul-krugman-why-we’re-in-a-new-gilded-age/

16:30:07 TestingUnoDosTre: And what's with the fake MPs today?

16:30:16 TestingUnoDosTre: Complete garbage

16:30:27 mrstickball: lol

16:30:29 mrstickball: Krugman

16:30:43 benkay: classic internet

16:30:45 benkay: don't read thing

16:30:47 fluffypony: I honestly haven't really looked at Ethereum

16:30:48 TestingUnoDosTre: Read a few paragraphs of that trash. Comments contained more resemblance of intelligence

16:30:48 benkay: just mock

16:31:00 fluffypony: but I agree with benkay

16:31:20 mrstickball: benkay: how often do you read Krugman?

16:31:28 benkay: mrstickball: let me know when you get to the part where krugman reviews a book someone else wrote.

16:31:42 fluffypony: you can run a business and burn all your creditors without complying with any rule ever and with nobody ever knowing your identity...that doesn't seem like a healthy starting point for a system

16:31:43 mrstickball: How much Krugman do you read?

16:31:49 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

16:31:49 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095214 / 0.00096064 / 0.00097418 (585642 shares, 562.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096309 / 0.00097649 (3444684 shares, 3,317.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00079813 / 0.00093513 / 0.00101 (22227685 shares, 20,785.78 BTC)

16:32:29 TestingUnoDosTre: That's the whole thing. Its a book review

16:32:49 fluffypony: so we should scroll straight to the comments and write "le bitcoin army is here!!!111one" ?

16:33:23 benkay: i guess in lieu of actual discussion that'll have to do.

16:33:25 TestingUnoDosTre: I used to read Krugman frequently like two or three years ago

16:33:57 TestingUnoDosTre: Have you read his thing on bitcoin?

16:33:58 benkay: cracks me up that y'all would rather harp on krugman than derp through his review of a book written by someone else.

16:34:13 mrstickball: he was praising it for its call to tax the rich more

16:34:14 fluffypony: benkay: don't have time to read it now, added it to my read later list

16:34:24 cgcardona_: DACs don't seem like a pipedream of geeks to me.

16:34:28 pankkake: http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af35/me_guns/krugman_cat.jpg

16:34:36 mrstickball: he's reviewing a book that takes a very dim view of economics which is typical for Keynesians

16:34:49 benkay: mrstickball: get past the krugman slant. let me know what you think about the book under review.

16:34:56 TestingUnoDosTre: I read it until I realized its an emotional appeal to socialism

16:35:18 mrstickball: the book is arguing a point without context

16:35:29 mrstickball: its arguing about economic inequality without looking at a lot of underlying factors

16:35:40 TestingUnoDosTre: I'll read the book. Love formatting my own opinion

16:35:45 mrstickball: you can't compare inequality from the 10s and 20s to today simply by looking at inequality x income

16:35:53 nubbins`: what format do you use for your opinions?

16:36:00 fluffypony: nubbins`: markdown

16:36:07 nubbins`: not bad

16:36:40 benkay: amateur

16:36:47 benkay: latex is for professional opinions.

16:36:57 benkay: mrstickball: what factors does it ignore?

16:37:08 mrstickball: regulatory atmosphere, primarily

16:37:34 nubbins`: but what's LaTeX for? ;(

16:37:46 mrstickball: he cites deregulation as a potential cause of inequality, yet the reality is the EXACT OPPOSITE

16:38:00 mrstickball: we have more regulations on our economy (and tax code) than at any point in history

16:38:00 benkay: that's quite a claim.

16:38:09 mrstickball: benkay: I can substantiate it easily

16:38:14 mrstickball: you want the US tax code by pages?

16:38:24 mrstickball: or would you prefer my compliance costs?

16:38:25 benkay: sounds a lot like correlation

16:38:28 benkay: and not a whit like causation

16:39:03 mrstickball: its a partial cause

16:39:16 mrstickball: when the average factory has $15,000 in compliance costs in the US, what do you think they do?

16:39:50 mrstickball: *$15,000 per person

16:39:57 benkay: how does that imply causation between higher regulatory burden and inequality?

16:40:06 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/cabbie-beaten-in-st-john-s-forefinger-and-thumb-severed-1.2611975

16:40:07 ozbot: Cabbie beaten in St. John's, forefinger and thumb severed - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

16:40:22 nubbins`: ^ the attacker went to the same school as me for 9 years :0

16:40:39 mrstickball: regulatory burden ensures that larger businesses / those with access to more capital can reduce their burden and utilize economies of scale to leverage better positions against the small business and poor

16:40:57 TestingUnoDosTre: Here's the comment I liked" Second, they look at it from the US/European point of view. If you look at it from a global level, there is a lot less global inequality now than in the 50s and 60s. The income of Americans then was over 100 times greater than the Chinese. Now it is merely 6 times greater. 1,000,000,000 people have been lifted out of poverty into the middle class in the last 15 years. That is more than

16:41:16 benkay: ah the ol' regulation lays most heavily on those unable to escape it

16:41:24 benkay: i for one don't care about inequality

16:41:32 mrstickball: benkay: What business do you run, and tell me about your compliance department

16:41:33 benkay: seems like a thing largely out of the control of anyone

16:41:55 benkay: software

16:42:03 benkay: comply on taxes and employment

16:42:07 mrstickball: how much do you pay for HR and accounting?

16:42:17 benkay: none right now, sometime soon that'll change.

16:42:22 mrstickball: how many employees?

16:42:32 benkay: well accounting i do pay for

16:42:36 benkay: some thousands per year

16:42:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00097303 = 9.5357 BTC [-]

16:42:50 benkay: can't say as that's any of your business, mrstickball .

16:43:02 mrstickball: benkay: it is since we're discussing regulatory environments

16:43:25 benkay: respond in two ways

16:43:29 benkay: as if i have 1 employee

16:43:32 benkay: and as if i have 20

16:43:33 mrstickball: if you're doing software, I'd ask how many people you have on 1099's vs. W4

16:43:43 mrstickball: since in software, you can contract more

16:44:19 mrstickball: because I co-own an analyst firm that contracts 100% of its employees. I also run a business that is looking to hire via W4. Different regulatory environment, as I have to pay a lot more in compliance for unemployment, workers comp, SS, ect

16:44:25 mrstickball: all adds to my cost of doing business

16:44:31 mrstickball: same thing with hardware/IP acquisitions

16:44:46 benkay: okay hey so a question

16:44:48 mrstickball: much easier to 1099 someone on a retail design via a 3rd party than it is to look at hiring an in-house artist

16:45:10 benkay: you don't go to sleep quaking in your boots about getting audited on your 1099's?

16:45:19 mrstickball: generally, no

16:45:39 TestingUnoDosTre: How much is workers comp in a software environment?

16:45:41 benkay: what do you do that insulates you from the employee/contractor confusion?

16:45:57 fluffypony: benkay

16:46:00 fluffypony: !up mrstickball

16:46:00 assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

16:46:07 mrstickball: I comply with state guidelines on contractors

16:46:15 mrstickball: e.g. work environment, scope of work, length of contract and so on

16:48:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012009 = 0.3603 BTC [-] {3}

16:52:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05358 = 0.2143 BTC [+]

16:53:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.05359 = 1.0182 BTC [+]

16:54:06 benkay: defo prefer 1099's

16:54:16 numerisTrade: hello everyone

16:54:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00097303 = 5.8382 BTC [-]

16:56:53 mrstickball: benkay: why is that? ... I'd argue because its so much easier and trouble-free as an employer

16:57:05 mrstickball: I can write someone a check and 1099-em at the end of year... No real compliance or paperwork

16:57:25 mrstickball: I wish all hiring was that easy. But its not, and that's why I think regulation/compliance is such a huge cogwheel in the American economy.

16:57:39 mrstickball: Because its so much easier to get someone in China to do work for me than it would be here at a factory

16:57:56 mrstickball: (and my wife is building a candle factory over the next few months, so I'm having to help her learn all the compliance steps)

16:58:12 benkay: banging atoms together as a business in the states is just horrid.

16:58:43 mrstickball: Its not fun in the least

16:58:53 mrstickball: so imagine what I've had to do for SEC compliance as a registered security

16:59:51 benkay: what's your company?

17:00:35 mrstickball: BuyAHash among others

17:01:07 cgcardona_: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/bitcoin-and-the-three-laws-of-robotics/#.U1AHcOZdVUV <--- interesting read comparing Bitcoin (big B) with DAC

17:01:07 ozbot: Bitcoin and the Three Laws of Robotics | Lets Talk Bitcoin

17:01:35 cgcardona_: ^ that was supposed to read (big letterB)

17:03:10 benkay: haw funny, you mrstickball

17:03:14 benkay: what is this analysis company?

17:03:23 mrstickball: video game company

17:03:29 mrstickball: I've had to nearly back out of it due to BAH

17:03:39 benkay: specifics?

17:03:45 benkay: we get a lot of non-specific claims around here.

17:03:51 benkay: kinda allergic at this point.

17:04:00 mrstickball: We track video game sales for digital games

17:04:08 benkay: yes but what is your url

17:04:09 benkay: who are you

17:04:10 benkay: etc

17:04:10 mrstickball: then sell the charts to interested parties

17:04:25 mrstickball: http://analytics.fadellc.com/

17:04:26 ozbot: Fade - Digital download sales reports

17:05:45 benkay: http://fadellc.com/legal/

17:06:12 benkay: ouch

17:06:13 mrstickball: front end has had some issues due to WP

17:06:15 benkay: site's kinda broken

17:06:29 benkay: ouuuuch: http://fadellc.com/ios-reports-and-sales-data/

17:06:32 mrstickball: front end is. I have to work with our dev to get it working. Like I said, I've been too busy with BAH

17:07:00 benkay: wp, eh?

17:07:10 mrstickball: Whats the URL to your company, by the way?

17:07:37 benkay: needs moar css, clearly.

17:07:43 benkay: http://survantjames.com

17:08:07 mrstickball: neato

17:08:22 benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/about.html

17:08:22 ozbot: About

17:08:48 benkay: let me know if you feel like throwing some money at fixing your site.

17:08:49 mrstickball: there you go

17:08:53 mrstickball: I may

17:08:57 mrstickball: what are your rates?

17:09:36 benkay: north of a hundred an hour

17:09:38 benkay: closing in on two

17:09:41 mrstickball: I wouldn't mind hiring someone to re-do BuyAHash and make it look a lot cleaner, but I'm unsure what the costs on that'd be for a full re-do of the frontend (the backend at least from my interactions are ok)

17:09:43 mrstickball: ah

17:09:57 benkay: fixed bid's another story, though.

17:10:35 benkay: you could get a lot done for 10k.

17:10:45 benkay: course, you could also hire someone across the ocean for 10/hr.

17:11:16 mrstickball: could

17:11:21 mrstickball: 10k for BuyAHash?

17:11:24 mrstickball: or 10k for FADE?

17:11:26 benkay: i'm sure you understand the tradeoffs.

17:11:33 benkay: 10k buys you a heck of a lot of css.

17:11:50 mrstickball: right

17:12:03 mrstickball: the backend of FADE is well over that

17:12:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 78 @ 0.06690894 = 5.2189 BTC [+] {3}

17:14:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06691 = 0.2676 BTC [+]

17:14:47 benkay: well if you're backing out of fade i can't really suggest you pour more money in

17:16:27 benkay: but that seems to be the one that needs the most work

17:16:32 fluffypony: !up mrstickball

17:16:32 assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

17:16:59 mrstickball: I can probably put a few hours in to get the WP frontend back up

17:17:08 benkay: haha

17:17:18 benkay: ;;rate mrstickball 1 +v

17:17:20 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.

17:17:30 benkay: wait hang on

17:17:32 benkay: ;;unrate mrstickball

17:17:34 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for mrstickball.

17:17:41 benkay: i'm going to want to see you auth in

17:18:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06691 = 1.2044 BTC [+]

17:20:38 mrstickball: yeah

17:20:40 mrstickball: give me awhile

17:20:48 mrstickball: I gotta re-download the blockchain on this new PC

17:22:03 benkay: you don't have to do that to auth

17:22:55 mrstickball: eh, guess I forgot that you can sign without getting the chain

17:22:56 fluffypony: you can sign a message before it's finished downloading, innit?

17:23:10 benkay: yup.

17:23:13 benkay: i mean

17:23:34 benkay: unless btc-qt is even more badly written than i imagined...

17:26:07 benkay: mrstickball: does it work?

17:31:49 cgcardona_: ;;rate benkay 1 Seen often in #btc-assets. Runs http://survantjames.com/

17:31:50 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.

17:33:07 benkay: ty cgcardona_

17:33:12 cgcardona_: np

17:33:32 cgcardona_: am checking out the cascadian hacker site now. nice work.

17:33:40 benkay: mindless blathering

17:33:45 cgcardona_: heh

17:33:47 benkay: just assume everything was written drunk

17:33:59 cgcardona_: I always do

17:34:14 benkay: you're free of course to put whatever you want in the rating field, but i'd prefer to have cascadianhacker.com in there than survantjames.com

17:34:22 cgcardona_: sure no prob

17:34:31 benkay: the former's vastly more relevant to the wot

17:34:38 benkay: again ty

17:34:40 benkay: ;;rate cgcardona_ 1

17:34:41 artifexd: cgcardona_: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/09_bitcoiners-upset-at-apple-understand-neither-apples-business-model-nor-bitcoin.html <- my favorite benkay post

17:34:42 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.

17:34:43 cgcardona_: ;;rate benkay 1 Seen often in #btc-assets. Runs http://cascadianhacker.com/

17:34:44 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user benkay has changed from 1 to 1.

17:34:59 fluffypony: artifexd: seconded

17:35:37 benkay: short and sweet.

17:35:40 benkay: gotta do more of 'em.

17:35:56 benkay: i'd like to do one on ethereum too

17:36:02 cgcardona_: i'd like to read that one.

17:36:19 benkay: a clean fry isn't enough, it needs to be reasoned.

17:36:27 benkay: that means i have to actually sink my head into ethereum.

17:36:29 benkay: fml.

17:37:11 cgcardona_: haha

17:37:19 fluffypony: hah

17:37:42 TestingUnoDosTre: Benkay, are you cascadianhacker

17:37:55 fluffypony: ;;rate benkay 1 best ben on freenode

17:37:56 TestingUnoDosTre: Nvm

17:37:57 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.

17:38:03 jurov: benkay: in what stage ethereum actually is?

17:38:14 TestingUnoDosTre: Pre alpha

17:38:17 jurov: anything usable yet?

17:39:01 jurov: !up mjr_

17:39:01 assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.

17:39:25 cgcardona_: i've only just started reading about it but it seems like they are just launching a buggy testnet

17:39:42 benkay: i hear buggy testnet

17:42:10 TestingUnoDosTre: Oh my statute of limitations. That's refuckingdiculous

17:43:32 fluffypony: BingoBoingo:)

17:48:36 BingoBoingo: !up mrstickball

17:48:36 assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

17:48:56 BingoBoingo: !down mrstickball

17:49:40 cgcardona_: ;;rate danielpbarron 1 #btc-assets

17:49:42 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.

17:49:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0666 = 0.1998 BTC [-]

17:54:25 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=473710.msg6269549#msg6269549 … and now he edited them

17:54:26 ozbot: [QUINTO] IPO on cryptostocks

17:55:15 TestingUnoDosTre: Lol

17:55:44 pankkake: it's funny what you can uncover through forgotten metadata

18:00:17 benkay: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=206567

18:00:17 ozbot: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

18:00:20 benkay: !up mrstickball

18:00:20 assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

18:00:39 benkay: mrstickball: have you succeeded in signing a thing with your btc addr or shall we assume you to be an impostor?

18:00:51 mrstickball: was out to lunch. Let me get my wallet from my old PC

18:02:26 pankkake: benkay: WTF?!

18:02:35 TestingUnoDosTre: What was with the fake MPs in here today

18:03:46 benkay: pretty wild, eh pankkake ?

18:06:04 benkay: i can't tell if it's actual antisemitism or 'join us or else the jooz die' antisemitism

18:06:06 benkay: much fog of war

18:06:49 pankkake: it's probably a jew conspiracy, in both cases

18:07:00 TestingUnoDosTre: Lol

18:07:25 TestingUnoDosTre: Jewspiracy

18:07:51 TestingUnoDosTre: Only worse thing is... witchcraft!

18:08:25 benkay: errybody just jealous of 6 millenia of selection pressure

18:08:42 TestingUnoDosTre: Did you see that pircea_momescu left. What's with that shit

18:09:00 pankkake: TestingUnoDosTre: it's my joke bot. what other fake MPs are you talking about?

18:09:10 TestingUnoDosTre: !Up mrstickball

18:09:10 assbot: Voice for mrstickball extended to 30 minutes.

18:09:12 pankkake: besides the ones trolling Legitimate Companies on Bitcointalk

18:09:27 pankkake: ;;gettrust mrstickball

18:09:27 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pankkake to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pankkake&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013

18:09:31 TestingUnoDosTre: There was one mircea_popescu' earlier

18:10:02 pankkake: ;;rate mrstickball runs Buy-A-Hash (I was formerly invested)

18:10:03 gribble: Error: 'runs' is not a valid integer.

18:10:08 pankkake: ;;rate mrstickball 1 runs Buy-A-Hash (I was formerly invested)

18:10:09 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.

18:10:17 pankkake: you can !up yourself now

18:10:25 mrstickball: trying to find my OTC address to sign myself in for Gribble

18:10:33 pankkake: ahah

18:10:35 TestingUnoDosTre: Buy a hash sounds like a good cannabis company too

18:10:42 mrstickball: it does

18:10:59 TestingUnoDosTre: Are you Mrs tick ball?

18:11:17 mrstickball: not quite

18:11:19 pankkake: gpu mining and cultivating cannabis looks the same for the power company

18:11:40 TestingUnoDosTre: So true. Apparently they tried to bust some miner

18:11:50 mrstickball: odd. When I imported this wallet, I fail to see any addresses that I've used previously

18:11:57 mrstickball: do they only populate once the blockchain syncs up?

18:12:20 TestingUnoDosTre: !Down mrstickball

18:12:46 TestingUnoDosTre: Meh

18:12:51 pankkake: the few times I imported private keys, I've had to restart the client for it to show up

18:12:57 pankkake: in the GUI

18:13:21 TestingUnoDosTre: Did that work there? Didn't see an assbot response

18:13:34 pankkake: lowercase D

18:13:46 benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: why are you muting mrstickball ?

18:13:56 TestingUnoDosTre: Power trip

18:14:01 benkay: ah

18:14:26 benkay: let the man work through his wallet issues, eh?

18:14:34 benkay: might even get some help

18:14:55 mrstickball: Gribble is being a pain

18:15:27 mrstickball: the last client I had was 0.8.5 and they changed the UI significantly. I found the OTC address.. now just to get Gribble to verify it which its being a pain

18:17:16 TestingUnoDosTre: Do miners take a while to shut off old rigs after diff change, or are they usually ahead of the curve?

18:17:25 mrstickball: !gettrust Mrstickball

18:17:35 mrstickball: ;;gettrust Mrstickball

18:17:36 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eektlejeeyngkrhe. Trust relationship from user Mrstickball to user Mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Mrstickball&dest=Mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013

18:17:42 mrstickball: there

18:17:47 benkay: ;;rate mrstickball 1 +v

18:17:48 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.

18:18:01 mrstickball: so much harder when you haven't authed with Gribble in a few hundred days..

18:18:17 benkay: you'll probably want to gpg up

18:18:21 TestingUnoDosTre: Gribbles being a cranky hitch today

18:18:37 mrstickball: gotta import my GPG keys from my old PC first

18:18:41 pankkake: I wrote a script to make it less of a pain, but it's still an annoying process

18:18:47 mrstickball: no, its my fault on not having all the stuff handy on my new PC

18:19:04 benkay: well, you were caught with your pants down with this voice stuff

18:19:07 mrstickball: new wallet client + new PC + remembering how to properly auth after 200 days of absence

18:20:46 pankkake: http://pastebin.com/sHftSFsQ quick and dirty

18:20:46 ozbot: #/bin/bash -eu echo "gpg eauth ${USER}" echo ";;gpg eauth ${USER}"|xclip -i - Pastebin.com

18:23:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0669675 = 0.7366 BTC [+]

18:23:59 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;google xclip command

18:24:00 gribble: xclip: Command-Line Clipboard - ServerWatch: http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3826261/xclip-CommandLine-Clipboard.htm; AutoCAD 2010 User Documentation: XCLIP - Autodesk: http://docs.autodesk.com/ACD/2010/ENU/AutoCAD%202010%20User%20Documentation/files/WS1a9193826455f5ffa23ce210c4a30acaf-5207.htm; Copy Shell Prompt Output To Linux / UNIX X Clipboard (1 more message)

18:27:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC

18:28:08 numerisTrade: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 one bet settled + he runs thedrinkingrecord.com

18:28:09 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.

18:28:35 TestingUnoDosTre: What did you guys bet on?

18:28:52 numerisTrade: Copa del Rey, soccer

18:30:41 BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: We tried an unescrowed bet, it worked

18:30:56 TestingUnoDosTre: Oooh

18:31:15 numerisTrade: well, yeah, that would be more precise

18:31:38 TestingUnoDosTre: Just curious, did bitbet offer bets without timeweight in the past?

18:32:20 TestingUnoDosTre: Numeristrade, you answered my question

18:32:24 jurov: no afaik it was same from beginning

18:32:57 jurov: but you can make bet without weight by setting end weight to 100000

18:33:03 BingoBoingo: Yeah

18:34:07 numerisTrade: the content of the bet was of secondary importance, the most important part was it being unescrowed

18:34:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0669675 = 0.6697 BTC [+]

18:34:37 TestingUnoDosTre: Other thing I wanted to do was to lower the initial timeweight in attempt to make it jump discretely

18:34:46 TestingUnoDosTre: Sadly, not an option

18:34:58 jurov: why?

18:35:37 TestingUnoDosTre: My thoughts were this. Enter a European call option, a la bitcoin trade at or above 600 on June 1

18:36:10 TestingUnoDosTre: Allow for like one or two weeks of betting and close the bet early

18:36:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669675 = 0.1339 BTC [+]

18:36:39 TestingUnoDosTre: Try and sell timeweight shares as price jumps up and down

18:37:25 TestingUnoDosTre: Thought it would be neat if the timeweight started at like 7, then ticked down one each day

18:39:53 TestingUnoDosTre: Discrete isn't really needed though

18:40:40 TestingUnoDosTre: Could accomplish what I was saying with the continuous

18:41:51 TestingUnoDosTre: Does what I'm saying make sense though?

18:41:53 fluffypony: ;;rate mrstickball 4 a fantastic human being who happens to run Buy-A-Hash

18:41:55 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 4 for user mrstickball has been recorded.

18:43:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7383 @ 0.00097145 = 7.1722 BTC [-]

18:46:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 400 @ 0.14 = 56 BTC

18:46:58 TestingUnoDosTre: Any thoughts on my proposal?

18:50:20 cgcardona_: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Vanity wallet 1LvCunts… FTW

18:50:21 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.

18:54:18 davout: so apparently localbitcoins got surprise butsecks'd

18:56:06 numerisTrade: TestingUnoDosTre, what would be the purpose of such bet construction?

18:56:32 fluffypony: davout: I'll fathom that they had logins etc. scraped when they were Heartbleed vulnerable, and the attackers waited till now to use them

18:57:10 davout: fluffypony: i doubt hb has been actively exploited in the wild, can be wrong tho

18:57:13 TestingUnoDosTre: I would initially gage an option, bet on it, then sell off some of it to lock in profit

18:57:19 fluffypony: davout: XSS then?

18:57:32 davout: also ppl seem to report changing passwords after hb and still being impacted

18:57:46 TestingUnoDosTre: Surprise buttsexed. How so?

18:57:58 davout: fluffypony: xss/csrf would be easy to detect by someone with a simple tool such as firebug

18:58:07 davout: looks more like it's server-side

18:58:11 fluffypony: true

18:58:19 davout: TestingUnoDosTre: like in the butt, by surprise

18:58:50 TestingUnoDosTre: But what happened- got an article?

18:59:21 TestingUnoDosTre: I was thinking of beginning to use the service, to get off the exchanges

18:59:24 davout: TestingUnoDosTre: www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23a26k/breaking_remove_your_btc_from_localbitcoins/

18:59:36 fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: if you don't mind reading something written by a 15 year old, http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/reports-localbitcoins-funds-missing/2014/04/17

18:59:46 TestingUnoDosTre: Lol

18:59:58 fluffypony: I'm not joking, he's 15 - http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/busterroni

18:59:58 TestingUnoDosTre: As long as he is respectable

19:00:38 artifexd: Blockchain.info bought bitcoin.com?

19:00:57 TestingUnoDosTre: Wait, you have yo deposit bitcoins with them? What in the fuck

19:01:20 fluffypony: artifexd: 5 year agreement

19:01:36 davout: bitcoin.com belongs to the folks that bought bitoinica

19:01:46 bounce: http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-story-of-clinkle-2014-4 burn millions, have nothing to show for it, get away with it because "aw, so young"

19:01:46 ozbot: Inside Story of Clinkle - Business Insider

19:01:47 fluffypony: davout: yeah, CoinBase own it

19:01:55 artifexd: I disapprove

19:02:00 davout: fluffypony: do they? source?

19:02:02 fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: only for online transactions

19:02:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21382 @ 0.00097304 = 20.8055 BTC [+] {2}

19:02:31 fluffypony: davout: http://www.coindesk.com/blockchain-info-acquires-bitcoin-com-domain-name/ - "Previously the domain was used by Coinbase a customer acquisition channel."

19:02:38 davout: fluffypony: last time i checked tihan seale did

19:02:49 davout: fluffypony: used, not owned

19:02:51 fluffypony: ah

19:03:06 fluffypony: I misread that as owned, sorry

19:04:01 fluffypony: http://bitcoin.com/images/news_icon.png

19:04:07 fluffypony: they're pushing that retarded symbol hard

19:04:16 benkay: i love seeing shitty startups go down

19:04:32 benkay: bounce: ^^

19:04:47 davout: the main reason i dislike jeremias kangas is the fact he hijhacks bitcoincentral.com to localbitcoins.com

19:05:05 davout: which as we say in france

19:05:08 davout: is fucking gay

19:05:11 numerisTrade: TestingUnoDosTre, as I understand it, the decreasing timeweight would punish your lock-in profits if it's linear to 0 in a one week frame

19:06:17 pankkake: during the 2000s internet bubble I loved the French website "vakooler" (fancy way of writing "going to sink")

19:06:28 fluffypony: davout: maybe it's worth doing a UDRP for the domain, it meets the "bad faith" element by pointing to a competing service?

19:06:35 TestingUnoDosTre: No no because I would bet immediately, the betting would close, and say one week later the price may drop, and I could sell shares of No for more than at beginning

19:07:32 TestingUnoDosTre: The decreasing timeweight would mess with everyone else but me that tried to value the option

19:08:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 425 @ 0.14 = 59.5 BTC

19:08:14 TestingUnoDosTre: Mainly because 1 week of info doesn't help you too much for 4 weeks ahead

19:08:22 davout: fluffypony: mebbe

19:08:44 fluffypony: bounce: what in actual fuck do they need 70 people for to build a mobile payments app?

19:10:13 benkay: fluffypony: welcome to the circus.

19:10:34 fluffypony: davout: it was registered 4 months before bitcoin-central, so you'd probably have to go the trademark route + bad faith or demonstrate that you announced the name somewhere and the act of registering the domain was cybersquatting+bad faith use

19:11:33 davout: i really don't care that much, i just think that doing it is gay

19:12:21 jurov: in related news, i do want to pay for coinbroker.com but no one responds

19:14:59 fluffypony: jurov: did you try both of the Yahoo! emails on the domain?

19:15:18 jurov: prolly yes, i don't remember

19:16:24 jurov: i'm not desperate, coinbr is fine

19:16:26 numerisTrade: TestingUnoDosTre, the selling shares of No is selling these outside BitBet service?

19:17:03 numerisTrade: jurov, coinbr is already an established brand, besides it's better than coinbroker

19:19:32 TestingUnoDosTre: Yes. Draw up a short got contract. Say you're buying 10000 timeweight representing .1btc for. 13 or something along those lines

19:19:45 TestingUnoDosTre: Got*

19:19:55 TestingUnoDosTre: Gpg*****

19:22:08 jurov: yup, i'd add it to coinbr if i had the manpower. make a bet via coinbr, then resell it

19:22:47 TestingUnoDosTre: Why not just broker it myself?

19:22:54 TestingUnoDosTre: Gain some wot

19:23:56 jurov: yes, you can even put it into the -otc order book

19:24:17 jurov: i'm thinking wholesale :)

19:26:02 numerisTrade: jurov, you are thinking about reselling it within your customer base or something broader, more open?

19:26:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.06696917 = 4.0182 BTC [+] {3}

19:26:38 jurov: it should *not* involve monthly fees, of course

19:26:58 TestingUnoDosTre: 50% broker fees

19:27:00 TestingUnoDosTre: Lol

19:27:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.066971 = 0.2009 BTC [+]

19:27:42 jurov: aside from not spreading myself too thin, i'm also uncertain - maybe kako plans something like that, too

19:28:28 jurov: should ask him tomorrow

19:28:30 fluffypony: benkay: http://i.imgur.com/FyDyzym.png

19:29:12 jurov: they forgot to apply securities regulations, too

19:29:29 pankkake: and carbon emission regulations

19:31:12 numerisTrade: http://pando.com/2013/12/16/bitcoin-has-a-dark-side-its-carbon-footprint/

19:31:13 ozbot: Bitcoin has a dark side: its carbon footprint | PandoDaily

19:31:32 TestingUnoDosTre: Oh my I love when haters bring that up

19:31:52 nubbins`: just got rear-ended :(

19:32:08 TestingUnoDosTre: The world's most secure asset registry uses electricity! !!

19:32:40 fluffypony: nubbins`: that sucks - their fault, though

19:32:53 nubbins`: yup. i was stopped, left turn indicator on

19:32:57 nubbins`: guy didn't even slow down

19:33:03 fluffypony: what a d-bag

19:33:05 fluffypony: did he apologise?

19:33:10 nubbins`: nah

19:33:11 TestingUnoDosTre: Next article is about greencoin, the newest neatest coin that requires 1/10th the energy to mine

19:33:18 nubbins`: young fella

19:33:45 TomServo: how fast were they going?

19:33:51 TestingUnoDosTre: Did you break his legs?

19:33:57 nubbins`: maybe 50-60km/h

19:34:09 nubbins`: i managed to take my foot off the brake before we made contact, which i think helped avoid the worst of it

19:34:09 BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Uses less electricity becaused mined with MD4 asic

19:34:12 TestingUnoDosTre: Damn!

19:34:23 nubbins`: bumper cars

19:34:38 TestingUnoDosTre: Lol are you fcking kidding me

19:35:38 TomServo: I got hit last year, person was doing about 80 kph though. That sucked.

19:35:46 nubbins`: oof, i'd say

19:36:15 nubbins`: i've got a bit of a headache now and my neck/shoulders are a bit sore, tomorrow's gonna suck

19:36:30 TomServo: Yep!

19:37:19 TomServo: If my driver's window would've been open I bet my leg would've been sticking out. I was all rearranged in there.

19:37:26 nubbins`: yipes

19:37:45 TestingUnoDosTre: Oh o m

19:37:52 TomServo: No lasting injuries though, so yay for that. Just sore a few days/week.

19:38:14 TestingUnoDosTre: This was a real car, not bumper cars? Thought you were just joking for a second there

19:38:16 nubbins`: good

19:38:27 nubbins`: TestingUnoDosTre: real car, yes

19:38:43 nubbins`: the bumper cars comment was in relation to the fact that i managed to release the brakes before he hit me

19:39:20 TomServo: Coincidentally or you saw him coming?

19:39:58 nubbins`: glanced in the mirror just as his headlights disappeared, tried to stomp the gas

19:41:15 nubbins`: funny thing is, i'm always careful to brake and indicate early at this spot, because people always take the hill really fast

19:41:23 nubbins`: saw the car behind me was lagging, figured he saw me

19:42:44 nubbins`: anyway, i need a drink

19:42:45 nubbins`: peace

19:43:00 TomServo: cheers nubbins`

19:43:45 jurov: http://opensslrampage.org ( strncpy(d, s, strlen(s)) got me)

19:44:00 jurov: !up ozbot

19:44:00 assbot: I don't do bots, jurov.

19:46:01 bounce: didn't ssl have a patch a while back that went snprintf(d,dlen,s) -> snprintf(d,dlen,"%s",s) ? something like that at any rate

19:46:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16922 @ 0.00097109 = 16.4328 BTC [-] {2}

19:50:02 bounce: /* if PRNG is not properly seeded, resort to secret exponent as unpredictable seed */

19:57:18 BingoBoingo: ?Remove non-posix support. Why is OPENSSL_isservice even here? Is this a crypto library or a generic platform abstraction library? ?A hack to make Visual C++ 5.0 work correctly? ? time to upgrade.?

19:57:18 BingoBoingo: ? tedu

20:03:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19374 @ 0.00097418 = 18.8738 BTC [+]

20:07:50 TestingUnoDosTre: !Up chairman_meow

20:07:50 assbot: Voicing chairman_meow for 30 minutes.

20:08:34 fidogeh: thanks

20:08:44 fidogeh: !jd

20:08:44 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 15892 BTC profit, 34.7k BTC invested, 1055.93 mio bets, 5.18 mio BTC wagered

20:10:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06685 = 0.468 BTC [-]

20:13:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 450 @ 0.14 = 63 BTC

20:23:59 kakobrekla: lmao, i have been banned for months, and yet still

20:23:59 kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/0xOVD5F.png

20:24:40 fluffypony: why did they delete that post?

20:24:50 kakobrekla: cause they are retards

20:25:11 kakobrekla: this was posted in garrs thread after he said that i should stop with the slander and that he has bigger fish to fry.

20:25:33 kakobrekla: so i gave him a big hot pan, for the fish, you see.

20:25:53 bounce: how long ago was that, then?

20:26:00 kakobrekla: months

20:26:48 bounce: nicely useless accompanying message. about as useful as the usual redmondian "help" message

20:28:17 bounce: gah. hungry again.

20:31:37 cgcardona_: bounce.eat('grinds')

20:34:16 mircea_popescu: peterl two things. one is that you're using 1024 bytes which is weak. get a 4096

20:34:28 mircea_popescu: the other is that signature reads out 4467A7237ADAB076. benkay has the details.

20:34:33 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey there >D

20:36:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00097636 = 18.5508 BTC [+] {2}

20:37:24 chairman_meow: 1024 is predicted to be broken by 2020

20:37:34 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete til tatiana moroz lol

20:37:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:37:51 chairman_meow: i mean we already broke 768

20:38:10 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

20:38:11 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 501.13, Best ask: 503.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 503.0, 24 hour volume: 22144.44984103, 24 hour low: 481.63, 24 hour high: 537.24, 24 hour vwap: 506.489030396

20:40:03 mircea_popescu: o look at that, garcia marquez croaked.

20:40:52 nubbins`: what?

20:40:58 nubbins`: i was talking about him like two days ago

20:41:03 mircea_popescu: prolly what did it.

20:41:19 kakobrekla: o hey you are fast mp

20:42:08 nubbins`: no doubt :(

20:42:23 nubbins`: shame

20:42:26 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla faster than a speedin' bullet.

20:42:46 nubbins`: guy wrote beautiful prose

20:42:57 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551698.0

20:42:59 ozbot: [IPO Launch April 16 2014] Symmetric Step Trading

20:43:00 mircea_popescu: "Flight attendant informs me electrical outlets don't work when the "Fasten Seatbelt" sign is on. Explains, "The plane was made in Canada.""

20:43:14 kakobrekla: lol, we saw this we saw that herp derp we will not come to -assets.

20:43:21 mircea_popescu: "The two Symmetric Step partners have been "lurkers" on this forum since mid 2013. "

20:43:36 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu they are too big for wot!

20:43:41 mircea_popescu: "We profit from disparities in the demand curves for bitcoins on separate cryptocurrency exchanges."

20:43:53 mircea_popescu: this is such a novel idea that worked out so well for all the previous experts.

20:44:04 mircea_popescu: i hope they at least offer 7% a week.

20:44:07 kakobrekla: lol

20:44:28 mircea_popescu: jesus i have a huge pile of news here.

20:44:35 mircea_popescu: http://www.technologyreview.com/view/526726/broad-institute-gets-patent-on-revolutionary-gene-editing-method/

20:44:36 ozbot: Broad Institute Gets Patent on Revolutionary Gene-Editing Method | MIT Technology Review

20:46:05 nubbins`: they make planes in canada? :D

20:46:25 mircea_popescu: where do you think all those beercans go

20:46:45 nubbins`: wait, bombardier

20:47:13 nubbins`: also avro arrow, RIP

20:47:24 mircea_popescu: i thought bombardier made train cars.

20:49:41 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ as you can see, us shutting up is actually beneficial.

20:49:58 nubbins`: all types of stuff

20:50:09 kakobrekla: fine, ill just ban the conference attendance.

20:50:21 mircea_popescu: benkay: i imagine they'd not be able to !up any more. << this should be tested.

20:50:35 mircea_popescu: who has a +1 in the assbot wot and volunteers for a little experiment ?

20:50:37 cgcardona_: awwww yea I'm in the top 20 for the last 7 days! (not sure if this is a good thing or not)

20:50:45 nubbins`: mostly prop planes, i think

20:50:49 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_

20:50:49 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014

20:51:14 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ listen, im going to negrate you. then you part channel, join it again and try to up yourself with assbot.

20:51:14 mircea_popescu: k ?

20:51:20 cgcardona_: sure

20:51:34 mircea_popescu: ;;rated cgcardona_

20:51:35 gribble: You have not yet rated user cgcardona_

20:51:36 cgcardona_: when I reenter should do I need to reauth w/ gribble first

20:51:36 mircea_popescu: ;;rate cgcardona_ -5 testing assbot

20:51:38 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.

20:51:46 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ prolly not

20:51:46 cgcardona_: test

20:51:50 cgcardona_: ok i'll try

20:51:51 cgcardona_: brb

20:51:52 mircea_popescu: you gotta part to lose voice first

20:51:57 cgcardona_: ok

20:51:57 nubbins`: wow

20:52:01 kakobrekla: depends if you and gribble have another common channel

20:52:07 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: according to these stats, you don't shut up :D

20:52:07 kakobrekla: if you dont, you need to reath

20:52:09 kakobrekla: reauth

20:52:13 mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is true.

20:52:54 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ did it work ? (pm)

20:53:07 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_

20:53:08 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014

20:53:16 mircea_popescu: meh

20:53:44 kakobrekla: it went down just one point!?

20:53:53 mircea_popescu: yes cause assbot trusts us to 1

20:54:04 cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: sorry dude. had to reauth w/ gribble.

20:54:09 mircea_popescu: aha kk.

20:54:13 mircea_popescu: ;;unrate cgcardona_

20:54:14 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for cgcardona_.

20:54:33 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla max of -1 passed cause assbot trust is 1

20:54:43 kakobrekla: seems weird

20:55:01 mircea_popescu: notrly, it's how it works.

20:55:20 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ thanks for halping.

20:55:27 cgcardona_: np

20:55:44 kakobrekla: then how it works is weird.

20:55:56 mircea_popescu: whai ?

20:56:47 kakobrekla: im not sure

20:56:58 mircea_popescu: scam.

20:57:05 kakobrekla: the logic does not seem apparent

20:57:20 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla a l2 connection can not pass more trust (either + or -) than the l1 connection.

20:57:35 mircea_popescu: if i trust you worth a 5, people you trust are worth to me up to 5, from +5 to -5

20:57:54 kakobrekla: O_O

20:58:07 kakobrekla: now you are just making stuff up

20:58:35 kakobrekla: why da fuck would +5 limit negative to -5

20:58:40 kakobrekla: this is wrong.

20:58:48 mircea_popescu: why ?

20:58:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00097687 = 16.3626 BTC [+] {2}

20:59:02 kakobrekla: so a +1 will limit negative to -1 ?

20:59:05 mircea_popescu: i think this is cannonical wot.

20:59:06 mircea_popescu: yes.

20:59:31 cgcardona_: but can't you just always rate someone directly w/ a +/- 1 ?

20:59:33 kakobrekla: how is this better over leaving it to go to -10

20:59:51 cgcardona_: my point being if you're limited by what you can rate based on it being a l2 connection

20:59:58 cgcardona_: can't you just make it a l1 connection and rate them directly?

21:00:22 cgcardona_: <----------(still learning)

21:00:34 nubbins`: hm

21:00:37 nubbins`: ;;rated gigavps

21:00:38 gribble: You have not yet rated user gigavps

21:00:42 nubbins`: ;;gettrust gigavps

21:00:43 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user gigavps: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=gigavps | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gigavps | Rated since: Fri Nov 11 14:47:27 2011

21:00:51 nubbins`: he's right

21:00:53 nubbins`: i had no idea

21:01:35 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ you can only rate someone directly. but we're discussing the impact of your ratings from assbot's pov

21:01:52 cgcardona_: got it. Don't mean to weigh in w/ deadweight questions. thanks

21:02:08 nubbins`: there are no dw questions, just dw people

21:02:12 nubbins`: JUST KIDDING :D

21:02:14 cgcardona_: heh

21:02:32 benkay: ;;rate mlapeter 1 doge guy

21:02:32 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

21:02:57 mircea_popescu: da fuck

21:03:01 nubbins`: tbh it took me forever to realize that l2 + ratings were limited by your rating of the l1 intermediary

21:03:11 nubbins`: that's what ya get for not Ring TFM

21:03:14 benkay: ;;ident mlapeter

21:03:14 gribble: Nick 'mlapeter', with hostmask 'mlapeter!~mlapeter@c-76-115-3-99.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is not identified.

21:03:21 mircea_popescu: davout: i'm not really sure i want to promote web-based wallets anymore << i can see why.

21:03:22 Namworld: Wait, what? That Symmetric Step thread mentions me.

21:04:14 davout: mircea_popescu: ><

21:04:20 davout: heh

21:04:21 fluffypony: Namworld: apparently you defaulted

21:04:23 mircea_popescu: mrstickball: What supports S.MPOE's valuation? It looks like annual dividend is 1%, and there is no volume outside of S.MPOE itself << this is a very old discussion. you can start with 2012 : http://fraudsters.com/2012/is-smpoe-really-worth-that-much/

21:04:24 fluffypony: and the lurkers saw it

21:04:41 mircea_popescu: Namworld im not reading that shit, cliffnotes ?

21:05:02 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: "We were here during the rise and fall of BTC-TC and during the fall of BitFunder. We saw Ukyo and Namworld default and we saw the TradeFortress long con come to its conclusion. We witnessed Deprived return from the dead and disappear again. We have watched Hannah say "see here" about once for every hour of every day in a year. We saw Labcoin meltdown and ActiveMining fade."

21:05:12 Namworld: I wasn't aware I did. I must not have gotten the news. Maybe I should stop repayments and go fill in for bankruptcy then?

21:05:32 mircea_popescu: fluffypony heh. nothing like a little narrative namedropping to establish forum "cred".

21:05:38 fluffypony: the rest of the "IPO" is basically "send us 100 BTC and we'll pay dividends. we promise."

21:05:45 mircea_popescu: Namworld either that or stop reading forum derpage :p

21:06:04 fluffypony: I swear I'm going to do an IPO on the forum and call myself Bitcoin_Hipster and talk about how I was into everything before it was cool

21:06:48 Namworld: Bwahaha ^

21:07:09 mircea_popescu: iirc this was a 2013 thing.

21:07:13 mircea_popescu: people took it seriously.

21:08:58 mircea_popescu: mrstickball other than that, you have no fundraising options. stfu, lurk for the next year, come back not sounding like an offensive jerkoff.

21:15:51 benkay: how wude

21:16:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 450 @ 0.14 = 63 BTC

21:16:28 mircea_popescu: eh radom cyphertrade expert opining on shit as if the fecal content of his cranial cavity is now worthy of consideration.

21:16:31 mircea_popescu: people need a jolt.

21:18:19 mircea_popescu: if i may be excused a repost, http://www.dailydot.com/politics/alexis-ohanian-reddit-technology-banned-words/

21:18:20 mircea_popescu: wow.

21:18:28 mircea_popescu: i had no idea reddit is THAT shitty.

21:18:35 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah

21:18:40 fluffypony: it's absurd

21:18:47 fluffypony: and it's a default sub with ~5 mil subscribers

21:19:27 cgcardona_: fwiw the bitcoin discussions on the /r/bitcoin subreddit are pretty bad. I bet it brought out the super trolls to the /r/technology subreddit. still yea it's pretty bad

21:19:30 mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr started a trend!!1

21:20:05 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ i can see what the cause was, but my problem is with the mental process.

21:20:16 mircea_popescu: this is not unlike "fixing" problems by setting a filter before the log

21:20:31 mircea_popescu: so particular stuff doesn't end up in the log anymore. so no more log messages, so problem fixed.

21:21:04 cgcardona_: mass market solution to a mass market product

21:21:15 benkay: troll who can master gpg probably realizes they can actually do stuff and gives up trolling to make a living

21:21:32 mircea_popescu: benkay so the hope goes.

21:21:39 fluffypony: heh

21:21:44 benkay: just being user friendly, mircea_popescu

21:22:09 mircea_popescu: benkay we can't all be assholes.

21:22:35 benkay: i prefer people to realize i'm an asshole like three weeks later.

21:22:56 benkay: as me ma sed 'manners aren't about making people feel good. they're about plausible deniability.'

21:23:17 mircea_popescu: The filter is gone now, and we'll look to have full human moderator coverage in future.? << paid for... wait for it... REDDIT GOLD!!1

21:23:19 benkay: woman's a bit of a knut

21:23:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00097728 = 11.483 BTC [+]

21:24:12 mircea_popescu: benkay im not a nazi, i can tolerate polite people just like i can tolerate homosexuals. just as long as they don't try to persuade me we're fine :D

21:24:52 fluffypony: so there's this sub-reddit called dogeillionaires, for dogecoin holders with over 1 mil dogecoin (1.2 BTC or so)...so I grabbed dogeillionaires.com, and the sub-reddit creator threw a tantrum because I'm cybersquatting and I'm making a power play (wtf)

21:24:54 mircea_popescu: "Flappy" ? wtf is flappy ?

21:25:08 fluffypony: so I told him he could have it if he asked nicely

21:25:16 mircea_popescu: fluffypony fill it with doge sucks material lol

21:25:18 kakobrekla: flappycoin dude.

21:25:19 fluffypony: so he says he'll send me 5 Doge to make it binding

21:25:27 fluffypony: so I tried to explain GPG contracts to him

21:25:29 mircea_popescu: waitwut ?! 5mn doge ?

21:25:32 fluffypony: used the bitcoin-otc link

21:25:39 fluffypony: and he didn't understand it

21:25:45 Apocalyptic: not mn I fear mircea

21:25:48 mircea_popescu: sounds like he's in the right place then

21:26:01 mircea_popescu: ;;google Flappy

21:26:02 gribble: Play Flappy Bird: http://flappybird.io/; Make Your Own Flappy Bird - Code.org: http://learn.code.org/s/6/level/148; Flappy Bert - Sesame Street: http://www.sesamestreet.org/cms-static/flappy_bert/

21:26:07 davout: fluffypony: if you're giving it away there's no real point in making a contract anyway

21:26:10 mircea_popescu: srsly wtf flappy.

21:26:11 fluffypony: so eventually I just got pissed and told him that if he even wanted to be peripherally involved in cryptocurrency he should learn that sending 5 doge doth not a contract make

21:26:17 fluffypony: davout: you can't transfer for the first 60 days

21:26:18 benkay: dogillionaire? what is that, 0.01 btc?

21:26:21 kakobrekla: ;;google flappycoin

21:26:22 gribble: FlappyCoin - The next addictive digital crypto coin: http://flappycoin.info/; [ANN][FLAP] FlappyCoin REBIRTH - Bitcoin Forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464743; FlappyCoin Community - Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Flappycoin

21:26:27 fluffypony: davout: he wanted to make sure I didn't change my mind in 60 days

21:26:43 fluffypony: I told him to check my WoT rating:-P

21:26:44 benkay: fluffypony: invite him in here.

21:26:45 kakobrekla: its like dogecoin but it has a bird instead of dog.

21:26:55 benkay: kakobrekla stop misleading the man

21:26:55 fluffypony: benkay: he's ignoring me now

21:26:58 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla a srsly ? i see.

21:27:10 benkay: flappy bird made someone a lot of press accidentally

21:27:10 davout: fluffypony: so you give him something, for free, he wants you to sign a statement saying you won't retract? weird

21:27:12 kakobrekla: benkay =? is it no?

21:27:12 kakobrekla: not?

21:27:23 BingoBoingo: Next coin: Floppy coin. Instead of a dog or a bird, it is just a bored dick.

21:27:28 benkay: ;;google flappy bird

21:27:28 gribble: Play Flappy Bird: http://flappybird.io/; Flappy Bird - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flappy_Bird; Flappy Bird - Play on Crazy Games: http://www.crazygames.com/game/flappy-bird

21:27:28 kakobrekla: the what?

21:27:31 mircea_popescu: davout it wouldn't seem weird if you spent more time among doge people, reddit "millionaires" and so forth.

21:27:38 fluffypony: " from autodoge [-5] sent 2 days ago

21:27:38 fluffypony: Hello, Due to your disrespect and lack of understanding of the concept "you have lost the privilege of my reading your messages," you have lost the privilege of my acknowledging you at all. Cheers,

21:27:38 fluffypony: auto"

21:27:42 TomServo: +benkay | fluffypony: invite him in here. << please no.

21:27:52 fluffypony: I disrespected him!

21:27:54 davout: fluffypony: here, have some nail clippings, that'll make it binding

21:27:57 mircea_popescu: fluffypony did this person grow up in a foster home ?

21:28:08 benkay: TomServo: public canings set policy.

21:28:20 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I think he's paranoid schizophrenic, to be honest

21:28:39 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Do you still have the domain?

21:28:44 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: of course

21:28:59 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How much for you to just point it at my blag?

21:29:00 mircea_popescu: fluffypony being a paranoid schzophrenic is fucking expensive. if every fucktard were the holy grail of mental disease mayne mental science would make some progress.

21:29:14 mircea_popescu: alas, they never have enough good ones.

21:29:21 davout: fluffypony: put some forum up, make it the "real" place for dogillionaires to gather

21:29:29 fluffypony: here's another convo he had that pissed someone else off, the dude is clearly crazy: http://i.imgur.com/C5yDOVW.png

21:29:35 Apocalyptic: imo a redirect to fraudsters would be better

21:29:39 mircea_popescu: fluffypony how much to just point it at http://fraudsters.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/ ?

21:29:50 mircea_popescu: i could use a shortener for that long ass url.

21:30:04 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no need, CloudFlare has nice little 302 redirect rules, so the URL can stay long

21:30:07 davout: i could use a dick shortener

21:30:18 mircea_popescu: davout for your gf ?

21:30:18 Azelphur: ^ said no man ever

21:30:18 fluffypony: davout: but then your outie would become an innie

21:31:13 fluffypony: http://dogeillionaires.com

21:31:25 fluffypony: chang chang

21:31:33 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ What's the general consensus on Ethereum? << premined scamcoin, basically.

21:31:34 davout: fluffypony: haha nice

21:31:37 jurov: davout, afterwards can i have a little experiment involving you?

21:31:45 kakobrekla: o fuck , nh hotel burned fraudsters credits :(

21:31:48 mircea_popescu: fluffypony what do i owe ?

21:31:56 cgcardona_: MP dude you're a champ for going back through the logs.

21:32:04 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla pm me your ip ?

21:32:11 davout: jurov: sure, as long as it does not involve detaching any limbs from my body

21:32:13 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's cool, I'll bank the favour till I have something worthwhile to ask :)

21:32:17 kakobrekla: we can try but dunno if its static

21:32:17 TomServo: fluffypony: nice.

21:32:18 mircea_popescu: lmao

21:32:36 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ i actually enjoy it tbh. i was supposed to be asleep by now, but it's like a drug, this chan.

21:32:46 mircea_popescu: !up bgupta

21:32:46 assbot: Voicing bgupta for 30 minutes.

21:32:58 mircea_popescu: bgupta srsly, getr in the wot.

21:33:16 jurov: davout it'll be about the innie, not ur limbs

21:33:29 davout: gross

21:33:41 fluffypony: lol

21:35:01 davout: http://i.imgur.com/b4tlML2.png <<< bwhahaha

21:35:23 benkay: lady v just said that she wants the apartment to look like "the good witch and the mad scientist build a fort in the woods"

21:35:51 mircea_popescu: benkay you being the good witch ?!

21:36:12 benkay: step it up mp for chrissake

21:36:18 TomServo: ;;rate fluffypony 1 Trying to show the dogeillionaries.com the error of their ways

21:36:19 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user fluffypony has been recorded.

21:36:27 fluffypony: hah, thanks

21:36:41 mircea_popescu: ok, favour all paid :D

21:37:41 fluffypony: hah

21:37:50 fluffypony: not a chance :-P

21:37:54 fluffypony: btw "Cars crash all the time, is that a lesson not to drive ?"

21:37:56 fluffypony: I agree

21:39:26 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i don't drive.

21:39:54 benkay: mircea_popescu: is this domain.com/avatar.jpg thing a relic of internets past?

21:39:59 fluffypony: we don't have a choice here, crappy/nonexistent public transport system

21:40:08 rithm: driving is for plebes

21:40:09 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTres I used to read Krugman frequently like two or three years ago << ok that's the most perverse thing i read on here.

21:40:31 mircea_popescu: benkay no, it's a relic of me being pissed off at gravatar \trying to force you to login on their shithole site.

21:40:54 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/jos-gravatarcom/ << article at the time

21:40:55 ozbot: Jos Gravatar.com pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:42:09 benkay: rather nifty.

21:43:24 mircea_popescu: i kinda like it myself.

21:43:33 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller actually got himself a nice cookie avvie.

21:43:47 benkay: cookie avatar? how even?

21:43:54 benkay: oh nvm i see.

21:43:57 benkay: av is ck.

21:44:23 benkay: subject of cock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUO5Iq-7UrY

21:44:24 fluffypony: holy cow, does Inaba have the lowest trust rating in the forum?

21:44:44 mircea_popescu: somehow i doubt that

21:44:47 benkay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUO5Iq-7UrY#t=82

21:44:48 ozbot: Superbad Dick dick dicks Ending credits from YouTube by Offliberty - YouTube

21:44:54 fluffypony: well over 3 times higher than TradeFortress' negative trust

21:45:26 mircea_popescu: how about pirate ?

21:45:27 fluffypony: but at any rate, this comment is...interesting to read now; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg1337606#msg1337606

21:45:35 mircea_popescu: shakaru ?

21:46:03 fluffypony: pirate = -12

21:46:12 benkay: nope even that one's wrong

21:46:14 benkay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUO5Iq-7UrY#t=235

21:46:14 ozbot: Superbad Dick dick dicks Ending credits from YouTube by Offliberty - YouTube

21:46:15 mircea_popescu: fluffypony read side by side with http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/

21:46:27 fluffypony: shakaru = -4

21:46:37 fluffypony: Inaba = -1468

21:46:47 mircea_popescu: nefario ?

21:46:48 fluffypony: TradeFortress = -451

21:46:53 bgupta: mircea_popescu: eauth’ed

21:47:01 fluffypony: nefario = -4

21:47:01 Apocalyptic: "There is no way in hell you're going to get Joe Sixpack to use either site." // it didn't occur to him that perhaps this was not the goal

21:47:07 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot bgupta

21:47:08 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask bgupta!~bgupta@207-237-250-126.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bgupta: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bgupta | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bgupta | Rated since: Thu Jun 9 06:49:47 2011

21:47:17 mircea_popescu: ;;rate bgupta 1 New blood.

21:47:18 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bgupta has been recorded.

21:47:42 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic because joe sixpack is derping around on the nyse like... erryday.

21:47:59 Apocalyptic: obviously

21:48:05 fluffypony: yeah

21:48:25 fluffypony: that part seems to be non-obvious to most

21:48:55 Apocalyptic: I guess he also think everyone can be and is entitled to be an investor

21:48:57 mircea_popescu: kinda funny to put "new blood" ratings on a 2011 wot profile

21:49:12 mircea_popescu: bgupta now you can voice yourself, id with gribble and pm assbot !up

21:49:21 kakobrekla: well, such is the world of tanks.

21:49:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 550 @ 0.14 = 77 BTC

21:49:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20576 @ 0.00097625 = 20.0873 BTC [-] {2}

21:49:51 mircea_popescu: anyone here even remember foodstamp ?

21:50:05 kakobrekla: i do

21:50:26 mircea_popescu: how young we were.

21:50:33 *: fluffypony doesn't

21:50:36 fluffypony: clue me in?

21:50:41 mircea_popescu: i srsly never felt as aged irl as i do in 3 years of btc.

21:50:42 bgupta: I do

21:50:46 kakobrekla: well, im still young, grandpa.

21:50:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00097208 = 3.0621 BTC [-]

21:50:54 mircea_popescu: fluffypony one of the original money order scammers

21:51:50 fluffypony: ah ok

21:52:16 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=503566.msg6272884#msg6272884

21:52:17 ozbot: Safello launches complete redesign of website as it gears up for European expans

21:52:30 kakobrekla: so, i rate the guy half a year ago, note not to do biz with

21:52:30 mircea_popescu: what again ?

21:52:37 kakobrekla: this is what happens.

21:52:45 mircea_popescu: didn't they do that a few months ago too ?

21:53:10 kakobrekla: the post is by deadterra

21:53:10 kakobrekla: and below

21:53:10 kakobrekla: "IS ONE SCAM NOT ENOUGH? PAY OUT THE ICEDRILL DIVIDENDS."

21:53:28 mircea_popescu: whooooa wait wait. safello was eirk's whatever, sorta-bitpay for iceland or something, no ?

21:53:31 mircea_popescu: what connection to icedrill ?

21:53:39 kakobrekla: the connection is deadterra

21:53:48 kakobrekla: he is a fuckin idiot.

21:53:56 kakobrekla: possibly scammy.

21:54:03 mircea_popescu: i c

21:54:18 kakobrekla: i think erik lost his compass

21:54:36 Apocalyptic: kinda sad to read

21:55:18 kakobrekla: ;;rated deadterra

21:55:18 gribble: You rated user deadterra on Wed Sep 4 18:41:21 2013, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: sloppy opprtunistic unreliable, bad at what he does, avoid.

21:55:50 kakobrekla: fyi.

21:56:19 mircea_popescu: ;;rated deadterra

21:56:20 gribble: You have not yet rated user deadterra

21:56:49 mircea_popescu: isn't this like the only PT op that ended up on my ignore ?

21:57:08 kakobrekla: i dunno what grows on your ignore garden

21:57:27 Apocalyptic: he's a 'Donator', that usually is a good clue

21:57:28 BingoBoingo: Lowest trust I've seen on Bitcointalk is Garr255 with -2456 trust

21:57:38 kakobrekla: lol

21:57:42 mircea_popescu: ahaha slander.

21:58:06 kakobrekla: yeah shut up BingoBoingo, fishes, pans, frying.

21:59:13 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: It's only wrong because the fish he fries is his self

21:59:54 kakobrekla: :)

22:01:15 mircea_popescu: davout: fluffypony: i doubt hb has been actively exploited in the wild, can be wrong tho << what are you, like a quaker ?!

22:02:06 BingoBoingo: His ugly, ugly fish self

22:02:26 davout: mircea_popescu fluffypony what i meant is more something like "by someone else than the nsa", but like i said, i could be dead wrong about it :-)

22:02:44 mircea_popescu: a, like that it has more of a leg.

22:03:45 mircea_popescu: someone's name really is "buster roni" ?!

22:04:09 mircea_popescu: davout: bitcoin.com belongs to the folks that bought bitoinica << how ?!

22:04:53 davout: mircea_popescu: tihan seale told me he owned bitcoin.com, or the fund or whatever he was representing

22:05:08 mircea_popescu: http://www.dailydot.com/news/reddit-censorship-technology-drama-default/

22:05:09 ozbot: Reddit strips r/technology's default status amid moderator turmoil

22:05:10 mircea_popescu: le wow.

22:05:29 mircea_popescu: davout and this is credible, because tihan seale didn't lie about pretty much every other thing he said, ever.

22:05:54 mircea_popescu: if the guy said he had terminal aids cancer he got from prostituting himself for nickles i'd suspect it.

22:06:09 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I think that's his nick...busterroni, like pepperoni

22:06:17 mircea_popescu: because nuts rarely lie towards humiliating themselves.

22:06:31 mircea_popescu: but claiming he like... owns shit ? heh.

22:06:41 davout: mircea_popescu: in the context of the conversation we had he didn't really have a motive to lie about it, but hey, who knows

22:06:49 mircea_popescu: fluffypony not a bad one. he could make a great pepperoni pizza brand

22:06:54 fluffypony: heh

22:07:27 mircea_popescu: fluffypony how do you know this stickball character btw ?

22:08:08 benkay: mrs tick ball

22:08:16 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: we're in a similar business space, I've bought from him and he's bought from me

22:08:25 fluffypony: and there's a lot of shared interest

22:08:36 fluffypony: buyahash is going to be carrying some OpenRigs products soon, for eg.

22:08:37 mircea_popescu: this is telling me exactly nothing, but asyway.

22:09:07 fluffypony: well there's been an exchange of money and product several times and neither party has screwed the other over

22:09:33 mircea_popescu: so this makes your butcher an amazing person or you don't eat meat ?

22:09:33 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

22:09:50 fluffypony: wife is vegetarian, but I love me some ribs

22:10:15 *: fluffypony ponders

22:10:38 fluffypony: look, to go full circle back to that "why do we trust" discussion

22:10:47 fluffypony: a lot of it is based on successful, successive interactions

22:11:11 fluffypony: I've had enough interactions with him to think him a trustworthy, reasonably competent fellow

22:11:36 fluffypony: amazing was being a little tongue-in-cheek

22:11:36 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

22:11:41 mircea_popescu: notrly how this works. so did you lend him fiddy bux ten times and he repaid every time or did you deliver him $5mn worth of widgets on net30 which he paid for as agreed.

22:11:50 fluffypony: !up mrstickball

22:11:50 assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

22:12:01 mrstickball: so what is being questioned of me?

22:12:11 fluffypony: well if I must distill the rating into something more concise

22:12:14 fluffypony: ;;rated mrstickball

22:12:15 gribble: You rated user mrstickball on Thu Apr 17 14:41:43 2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: a fantastic human being who happens to run Buy-A-Hash.

22:12:26 mrstickball: !gettrust mrstickball

22:12:32 mrstickball: ;gettrust mrstickball

22:12:37 mircea_popescu: !down mrstickball

22:12:42 davout: ;;gettrust mrstickball

22:12:42 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eektlejeeyngkrhe. Trust relationship from user davout to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013

22:12:58 davout: ;;gettrust assbot mrstickball

22:12:59 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eektlejeeyngkrhe. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013

22:13:48 fluffypony: ;;rate mrstickball 4 runs buy-a-hash, which carries openrigs products, and have had several large financial interactions (purchases/sales)

22:13:50 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mrstickball has changed from 4 to 4.

22:14:14 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: better?

22:14:21 mrstickball: There we go

22:14:33 mircea_popescu: fluffypony notrly but anyway.

22:15:16 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ok so then be specific, because the rating is nowhere near a 10 and contains as much info as I can pack into that shortform

22:15:38 mircea_popescu: well, not to be a bore, but didja read the what wot is how to use it article ?

22:15:38 mrstickball: mircea_popescu: my company is a known quantity. So I guess you should ask specific questions of me

22:17:10 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I have, and I don't see how my rating excludes anyone contacting me for more info?

22:17:14 mrstickball: if you're asking me, yes. I never requested ratings by anyone I've done trades with

22:17:29 mircea_popescu: but ... i just did contact you for more info.

22:17:36 mrstickball: admittedly, its been a few months since I dealt with WoT and gribble to re-auth

22:17:42 mrstickball: Through which channel?

22:17:45 mrstickball: this?

22:18:09 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: by your own example, you should ask for more information with a purpose - "I am considering buying a used car from Moe. I see that you have rated him in the past. How did that go ?"

22:18:38 mircea_popescu: i was trying to evaluate whether the guy should be salvaged or i should just ignore him.

22:18:44 mircea_popescu: meanwhile i ignored him so the point is moot.

22:18:49 mrstickball: heh

22:18:55 mrstickball: praise from caesar

22:19:25 fluffypony: I think it's whisky time, my brain is frazzled :-P

22:19:34 mrstickball: I gotta head to church anyway

22:24:20 mircea_popescu: "Of course we had our servicemen behind the self-defense units of Crimea," Putin said during an annual televised call-in with the nation on Thursday.

22:24:24 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that settles that eh.

22:25:07 fluffypony: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukraine-jewish-registry-fake/

22:25:07 ozbot: That flyer about Jews needing to 'register' in Ukraine is fake

22:25:17 fluffypony: well

22:25:17 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly so.

22:25:37 TomServo: Is that regarding a bet you made BingoBoingo?

22:25:49 BingoBoingo: TomServo: One I wrote.

22:26:05 BingoBoingo: Like many bets, with a time machine the specs could have been better.

22:26:23 mircea_popescu: !up Kleeck

22:26:23 assbot: Voicing Kleeck for 30 minutes.

22:26:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06695 = 0.2678 BTC [+]

22:26:25 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I can sell you a time machine for cheap

22:26:33 BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/#c2822

22:26:36 ozbot: BitBet - Crimea 2 Electric Boogaloo

22:26:43 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Define "Time Machine"

22:27:11 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: for the low, low cost of only 1000 Buttcoins, I will provide a machine that allows you to effortlessly move through time*

22:27:45 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Well I move through time in one direction easily enough already

22:28:24 fluffypony: ok you've caught me, that's pretty much what it does

22:28:37 Apocalyptic: .d

22:28:38 ozbot: 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1982 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.7887% in 10d 21h 12m 22s

22:28:39 fluffypony: * forward direction only, movement in real-time only

22:28:45 mircea_popescu: jurov TestingUnoDosTres actually im fucking fascinated by the notion of... trading bitbet bets ?!

22:30:23 TomServo: So what's the deal with lack of insignia anyhow?

22:30:38 mircea_popescu: nubbins` hey, good you're ok.

22:31:01 mircea_popescu: TomServo budget cuts ?

22:31:02 BingoBoingo: TomServo: Lawful combatant status

22:31:13 fluffypony: uniforms weren't ready on time

22:32:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7053 @ 0.000971 = 6.8485 BTC [-]

22:33:38 fluffypony: expectation vs. reality: http://i.imgur.com/sShi4uM.jpg

22:33:55 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: lmao, i have been banned for months, and yet still << they purging old threads you mean ?!

22:34:40 kakobrekla: looks like

22:34:47 kakobrekla: that post was months old.

22:34:56 mircea_popescu: odd.

22:34:57 fluffypony: maybe they're banning sarcasm?

22:35:31 fluffypony: right enough for one night, I need to sleep, cheers

22:35:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00097087 = 4.5145 BTC [-] {2}

22:36:32 mircea_popescu: "The week after Thanksgiving, 40 Clinkle employees gathered in the kitchen of their San Francisco office. It was the second time in two days they?d been called together for an all-hands meeting."

22:36:46 mircea_popescu: the importance of the kitchen for tech start-ups : if you hold the meeting there, even the women can participate.

22:40:55 kakobrekla: ok i found the original

22:40:55 kakobrekla: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/starting-a-new-fpga-mining-farm-contract-cognitive-resurrected-on-havelock.47052/page-109#post-4510378

22:40:57 ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] | Page 109 | Bitcointa.l

22:41:04 kakobrekla: jan 26.

22:41:10 kakobrekla: so like 4 months old?

22:41:35 mircea_popescu: i guess forum got upgraded, mods got hired, it's going to get like all cleared up nao.

22:42:06 kakobrekla: if i had to make a bet, id say garr made the complaint.

22:42:13 kakobrekla: while he is in hiding.

22:42:55 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell moiety are you Snail2 on bitcointalk... Their avatar appears to be a Manul

22:42:55 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:43:06 mircea_popescu: "this month i will pay dividends in deleted posts on a forum people who like to talk about bitcoin write for other people who like to talk about bitcoin"

22:43:23 kakobrekla: lol.

22:44:35 TomServo: I hurt myself reading that.

22:45:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00012392 = 0.2478 BTC [-] {3}

22:45:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.00599099 = 0.2396 BTC [+] {3}

22:46:01 mircea_popescu: "Clinkle is also building out a robust rewards system with gamification elements. For example, if you use Clinkle to buy things, you might earn a free coffee. "

22:46:06 mircea_popescu: i hurt myself reading THAT

22:46:27 mircea_popescu: who the fuck is so destitute they can't afford a coffee the moment they want one, and who the fuck would want such a person within a mile.

22:47:14 mircea_popescu: for that matter, when did coffee become comodized anyway. "a coffee" means nothing, unless it means sex.

22:47:20 BingoBoingo: Someone who was never forced to stop being a college student?

22:47:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 850 @ 0.00015604 = 0.1326 BTC [+] {3}

22:47:51 mircea_popescu: you know, universities force dorks to pay 10's of k's a year to be college students.

22:47:56 mircea_popescu: none of these apps ever will.

22:51:24 BingoBoingo: I don't think I've ever paid tuition in my life

22:51:47 mircea_popescu: o hey, i grew up in a communist country too.

22:52:24 artifexd: Is ThickAsThieves in Romania yet? I need his help.

22:53:29 BingoBoingo: lol

22:56:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0286245 = 0.1145 BTC [-] {3}

22:56:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.06589816 = 1.5816 BTC [-] {8}

22:57:13 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/04/17/kids_in_nightclubs_new_york_clubs_host_parties_for_children_6_12.html

22:57:13 ozbot: Kids in nightclubs: New York clubs host parties for children 6-12.

23:00:16 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: isn't your thing today?

23:00:27 thestringpuller: shouldn't you be off doing secret society illuminati shit?

23:01:48 TomServo: BingoBoingo: lol

23:02:01 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that was earlier.

23:02:06 TomServo: There was some terrible BS on vice about the 'baby DJ school'

23:03:04 BingoBoingo: TomServo: My favorite part of the story is the parents taking their medicine at the bar

23:19:01 thestringpuller: I think this is the harshest review tag I've ever seen >> "You don't need a heart to like this movie. You need an MBA."

23:25:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0645125 = 0.7742 BTC [-] {2}

23:25:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC

23:32:09 mircea_popescu: mbas aren't that bad are they

23:34:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00097087 = 16.6019 BTC [-]

23:44:34 BingoBoingo: ;;tslb

23:44:46 gribble: Time since last block: 26 minutes and 29 seconds

23:44:53 thestringpuller: http://mpex.co/assets/s.mpoe-2FB7B452.txt is there a reason 4 repeats at the end

23:47:02 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller how does it repeat ?

23:47:31 mircea_popescu: jesus what a mess.

23:47:54 thestringpuller: 4.3. This contract is protected as copyrighted material. It may not be reused by different parties without the express permission of MPEx.ch calendar month.

23:48:06 thestringpuller: dunno how it got obfuscated

23:48:15 mircea_popescu: it looks like a nutty copy/paste error that somehow nobody picked on in... years ?

23:48:19 thestringpuller: i haven't verified the sig lol oh well sorry to bring you bad news

23:48:29 thestringpuller: or weird news

23:48:32 thestringpuller: OR WEIRD SCIENCE

23:48:44 thestringpuller: just very bored

23:49:01 mircea_popescu: well good for you.

23:49:18 mircea_popescu: the 2nd 2 should be a 3 too so i guess next week is mpoe contract update day o.o

23:56:50 mircea_popescu: http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-story-of-clinkle-2014-4 << this is pretty lulzy to read in para-lel with brilliant

23:57:11 mircea_popescu: "I was flattered by his interest, so I thought it over. That is, I indulged in what young men frequently mistake for thought. In imagination, I saw my name over the door and myself in a fine glass office looking out and watching clerks taking in money. I had, in anticipation, the thrill of buying one store after another and going from town to town on tours of inspection. I tickled my fancy with the idea of coming back

23:57:11 mircea_popescu: to college and letting the boys consult me as an experienced man of affairs. And having finished this process of ?thinking? I wired Carroll that I was ready to join him."

23:57:27 mircea_popescu: !up joe_blow

23:57:27 assbot: Voicing joe_blow for 30 minutes.

23:58:54 mircea_popescu: "There were culture-building events like parties and baseball games. Employees would dress up for Wacky Wednesdays, sip mimosas on Fridays during lunch, and sunbathe on the office roof deck. Duplan was quickly becoming a star around Stanford?s campus ? prompting both awe and jealousy ? and not everyone was a fan."