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Transcript for 17-05-2015, 1619 lines:

00:04:19 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134094 if we'd be able to manipulate electron ray so precisely, why no thin CRT's exist?

00:04:19 assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 22:45:49; asciilifeform: jurov: if going to tubes, one ought to stop thinking in terms of gates and start considering how much computation can be carried out by one flying electron...

00:08:31 jurov: i suspect turning electrons in sharp curves needs a strong mag field -> high current

00:35:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00027704 = 10.86 BTC [-]

00:36:15 jurov: !up Rozal

00:37:23 Rozal: buying 10 BTC, anyone selling?

00:37:35 Rozal: bank deposit

00:37:51 Rozal: wrong channel

00:38:46 jurov: it's okay,but better on #bitcoin-otc

00:38:56 jurov: ;;gettrust jurov Rozal

00:38:57 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user Rozal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=Rozal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Rozal | Rated since: Thu Jan 17 09:32:27 2013

00:43:03 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-05-2015#1123556 << what's the story for managing tar files via portage?

00:43:03 assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 03:36:21; asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ ls -l /usr/portage/distfiles/dieharder-3.31.1.tgz

00:45:25 jurov: ben_vulpes: it's source package that portage downloads automatically(with some exceptions) to /usr/portage/distfiles

00:45:41 jurov: was that the question?

00:47:22 ben_vulpes: ah

00:47:35 ben_vulpes: no, but it's a very useful answer

00:49:11 ben_vulpes: gentoo quest

00:59:02 mircea_popescu: copypaste https://8ch.net/btc/res/117.html#170 << check you out, banned by minijust no less!

01:35:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00027704 = 17.6197 BTC [-]

01:36:14 mircea_popescu: !up ni291187

01:42:44 mircea_popescu: and it is now time for a review of teh various butthurt!

01:42:57 mircea_popescu: http://8ch.net/leftypol/res/186432.html << "So why are there specific ads on /v/ which are retarded /pol/-tier shit?"

01:46:26 mircea_popescu: http://v8chan.com/thread/3791455/why-does-hotwheels-allow-such-racist-offensive-ads.html

01:47:27 mircea_popescu: "This is so FUCKING disgusting, holy shit"

01:48:51 mircea_popescu: meanwhile on /pol/, https://8ch.net/pol/res/2049610.html "Who is this fucktard and why do I have to see his retarded quotes as ads on every board?"

01:53:14 ben_vulpes: https://media.8ch.net/btc/src/1431819761056.gif

01:54:14 ben_vulpes: in bitcoin-related nooz...

01:54:34 mircea_popescu: hey, that looks like a bunch of dudes slapping the shit out of some chick

01:56:31 ben_vulpes: how can one ever tell with these internet gifs

01:56:35 ben_vulpes: could be dogs in costumes

01:56:42 mircea_popescu: http://v8chan.com/thread/3744246/what-is-this-ad.html << "As much I don't want to bring in /pol/ into every discussion, /leftypol/ is a hundred times worse. You're fucking cancer." / "its fags like you who make these threads the worst" / "No, it's fags like you who get triggered if anything remotely /pol/-like is mentioned, and I don't even like /pol/. Get the fuck out." / "You?re mentally disabled if you don?t thi

01:57:42 mircea_popescu: nk that is a good thing."

01:57:42 mircea_popescu: ahhh dude, chan is exactly where it was in 2005.

01:57:42 mircea_popescu: feelsgood.png

01:57:56 cazalla: the fuck is v8chan

01:58:35 mircea_popescu: nfi.

01:59:09 mircea_popescu: prolly some sort of backup thing

02:00:16 mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/0WWr6 < here we go

02:01:16 mircea_popescu: the /b/ one ( b/res/2686327.html apparently) didn't get archived.

02:06:40 mircea_popescu: http://8archive.moe/v/thread/3744246 << archive found.

02:13:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2511 @ 0.00068101 = 1.71 BTC [-] {2}

02:22:40 mircea_popescu: "man, i hadnt seen an ad on the interne in years. thought it was a banner for awhile" << bwahahaha.

02:23:22 mircea_popescu: web experts derp about how MP doesn't know shit. then mp makes something that owns anything they've ever seen in penetration. then they don't knowtice, because one can't be stupid and perceptive at the same time.

02:23:27 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

02:26:45 mircea_popescu: ;;ud itt

02:26:46 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=itt | ITT. Usually done in all caps, it is the first post on a fourm. It directly mean In This ... ITT I'm wrong compared to popular opinion but I'll post this definition anyway.

02:27:12 indiancandy1: hi every body

02:28:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11660 @ 0.00027979 = 3.2624 BTC [+]

02:28:28 mircea_popescu: heya

02:32:49 decimation: asciilifeform: adlai interesting 'application specific' tube logic links

02:34:42 ben_vulpes: deedbot-: add feed http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml

02:35:42 ben_vulpes: !up deedbot-

02:35:42 ben_vulpes: deedbot-: add feed http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml

02:36:42 ben_vulpes: trinque!

02:36:42 ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/16_electronics-hack-night-featuring-the-twiddler-and-asciilifeforms-trng.html << scoop

02:37:42 decimation: it occurs to me that one use of deedbot would be timestamping potential evidence, like camera/video captures

02:37:42 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134106 << they did exist, 'field emission display' (essentially a crt with one electron gun - of cold cathode type - per subpixel!)

02:37:42 assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 00:04:19; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134094 if we'd be able to manipulate electron ray so precisely, why no thin CRT's exist?

02:37:42 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134108 << they don't need to turn sharp corners, in our hypothetical machine

02:37:42 assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 00:08:31; jurov: i suspect turning electrons in sharp curves needs a strong mag field -> high current

02:38:27 mircea_popescu: aaand /btc/ is nao in the top 50th most read boards on 8chan >> https://8ch.net/boards.html

02:39:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8546 @ 0.00027986 = 2.3917 BTC [+] {2}

02:39:27 decimation: ben_vulpes: I have one of those usb knobs

02:39:44 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what does the knob do ?

02:40:03 decimation: I use it to tune my virtual radio

02:40:10 ben_vulpes: twiddles kitchen lead time for operators of trinque's webmachine

02:40:11 asciilifeform: aha it's a joystick

02:40:13 *: ben_vulpes off to wedding

02:40:27 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: before you go - did it work ?

02:40:28 decimation: https://store.griffintechnology.com/powermate

02:41:28 asciilifeform: and wai wat

02:41:28 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes plugged it into a serial port ?!?!!

02:41:43 asciilifeform: (after i explained, in agonizing detail, why this will not work...)

02:42:45 asciilifeform: and who holds soldering iron like this, l0l!

02:42:46 decimation: asciilifeform: looks like one of those ebay usb/3.3v serial dongles

02:43:03 decimation: someone who doesn't have a proper vice

02:43:10 asciilifeform: vice?!

02:43:15 asciilifeform: for soldering iron! lol

02:43:16 decimation: or holder deal

02:43:23 decimation: no, for the object being soldered

02:43:42 asciilifeform: decimation: that dongle is just the thing for, e.g., pogo - but the rng is not a rs232 device...

02:43:54 asciilifeform: it doesn't spit out start or stop bits

02:43:59 decimation: heh

02:44:17 asciilifeform: http://www.best-microcontroller-projects.com/image-files/how-rs232-works-tx-logic-rs232-diag.png << example

02:45:17 asciilifeform: (if it did, it would be perfectly usable as rs232)

02:45:17 asciilifeform: but it doesn't.

02:45:17 decimation: did you intend to use an spi device

02:45:17 asciilifeform: nope

02:45:17 asciilifeform: it's raw rng

02:45:20 decimation: ah I see

02:45:29 asciilifeform: i.e. a pin that changes level when it wants.

02:46:18 decimation: so really you need a '1-bit adc'

02:46:19 asciilifeform: now, if you have a -very- well-behaved os, you could sample it as rs232 anyway. but then you discover (see old mircea_popescu article where we stepped on this caltrop!) that you end up losing bytes that match 'control' section of ascii table

02:47:07 decimation: asciilifeform: or you could use a parallel port, if your computer has one

02:47:15 asciilifeform: decimation: this was what i told ben_vulpes at c3

02:47:19 asciilifeform: to use parallel port

02:47:30 asciilifeform: or, if cannot find machine having such - sound card

02:47:31 indiancandy1: huh

02:47:35 decimation: one can still buy 'em even for pci express

02:47:42 asciilifeform: decimation: i have one such installed right here

02:47:43 asciilifeform: in regular use.

02:47:58 decimation: I would worry about potential noise in the sound card

02:48:07 indiancandy1: wat r y talkin bout

02:48:12 asciilifeform: decimation: the noise doesn't matter, rng outputs logic-level signal

02:48:14 decimation: but if the levels are high enough and you use some kind of clipping algorithm it wouldn't be an issue

02:48:17 williamdunne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbmWGrQjgTA anyone seen this dose of autism?

02:49:17 decimation: indiancandy1: sampling random signals

02:49:25 indiancandy1: wat

02:49:36 indiancandy1: abt hot guys here lol

02:49:48 indiancandy1: any*********

02:49:54 asciilifeform: indiancandy1: sorry only cold

02:50:28 williamdunne: indiancandy1: I'm a 7" tall Somalian

02:50:37 williamdunne: Or is that 7'?

02:50:40 williamdunne: I can never remember

02:50:42 asciilifeform: indiancandy1: and the item we were talking about, was this: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf3_compare.jpg

02:51:42 indiancandy1: i just bought some baloons of a somalian

02:51:42 asciilifeform: specifically the one on the left.

02:51:42 decimation: asciilifeform: I wonder how cricital sampling clock variation would be

02:51:42 asciilifeform: decimation: the problem with using sound card would be that it has ac-coupled input.

02:51:42 indiancandy1: there is a somalian guu

02:51:42 williamdunne: indiancandy1: they break yet?

02:51:42 indiancandy1: guy seelling baloons

02:51:42 indiancandy1: with that gass in

02:51:42 indiancandy1: on the street

02:51:49 indiancandy1: the gass they give to pregnant

02:51:50 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah good point. you could use it with an analog mixer and an audio signal generator

02:52:03 williamdunne: asciilifeform: Excuse my ignorance, but what is the box over the chips for?

02:52:13 williamdunne: indiancandy1: *inflate.

02:52:16 asciilifeform: williamdunne: rf shield (in the photo, it is missing the cover)

02:52:31 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134218 <<< matches indiancandy1's 7" nose

02:52:31 assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 02:50:28; williamdunne: indiancandy1: I'm a 7" tall Somalian

02:52:38 asciilifeform: williamdunne: see third photo from ben_vulpes's link for what cover looked like

02:53:22 williamdunne: Ahh I see, looks good. Didn't realize how complete it looks

02:53:31 decimation: asciilifeform: your old soundblaster card came with a joystick input

02:53:33 williamdunne: indiancandy1: who are you?

02:53:50 decimation: as I recall they were dc-coupled potentiometers

02:53:50 asciilifeform: williamdunne: she is/was one of mircea_popescu's camgurlz, iirc

02:53:52 asciilifeform: !up indiancandy1

02:54:27 williamdunne: indiancandy1: asciilifeform: ahh I see, indian have you met Naphex?

02:54:27 indiancandy1: who am i

02:54:30 williamdunne: yes

02:54:47 asciilifeform: decimation: at any rate, the -correct- way to sample these for experimental purposes is with either parallel port or a generic i/o gadget (e.g., 'ftdi')

02:54:48 indiancandy1: im like the only pretty girl who comes in here

02:55:42 williamdunne: Thats subjective

02:55:53 indiancandy1: im pretty young and fly

02:55:58 indiancandy1: and sexy

02:56:15 asciilifeform: indiancandy1: paid mircea_popescu a visit yet ?

02:56:23 decimation: asciilifeform: I suppose slight variation in the sampling clock (known to the enemy) would have very little effect on the output

02:56:41 asciilifeform: decimation: the correct way to sample is at (within feasible limits) random intervals.

02:56:53 asciilifeform: what one might call 'spread spectrum' clocking.

02:56:56 indiancandy1: no

02:56:56 williamdunne: indiancandy1: http://i.imgur.com/JlzKjcw.jpg can't see your face though

02:57:56 indiancandy1: why would i

02:57:56 indiancandy1: instagram

02:57:56 indiancandy1: realshantidynamite

02:58:10 decimation: asciilifeform: I rarely deal with irregularly sampled signals, the idea creeps me out a little bit

02:58:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64389 @ 0.00028049 = 18.0605 BTC [+] {3}

02:59:26 asciilifeform: decimation: rng literally breaks most of the rules of 'civilian' electronic design

02:59:35 williamdunne: indiancandy1: Yeah okay I'll agree with you.

02:59:38 asciilifeform: where you try to minimize noise, get predictable mechanism, etc

02:59:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00028386 = 8.0616 BTC [+]

03:01:16 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's a fair point. my mental viewpoint for sampled signals is always a frequency domain visualization. my 'test' would be a really long fft

03:05:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how's she to afford the airfarez.

03:05:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same as me l0l

03:06:00 asciilifeform: using money.

03:08:03 mircea_popescu: she's enslaved by the cispatriarchy with the belief that she shouldn't have to.

03:08:49 asciilifeform: waiwut

03:11:00 williamdunne: Surely if she were to be blaming the cispatriarchy that would suggest she is transgender

03:11:05 decimation: what about transpatriarchy

03:11:05 mircea_popescu: well how should i explain it ? lol

03:11:25 williamdunne: decimation: that implies they are delusional

03:11:36 mircea_popescu: williamdunne if one blames the nazis does that mean they're jooz ?

03:11:49 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: no, but thats not binary

03:11:54 williamdunne: You're either cis or you're not

03:12:14 williamdunne: Its more like if you blame women, you're (probably) a man

03:12:48 mircea_popescu: is it ?!

03:12:55 mircea_popescu: most she-haters i know are womenz.

03:13:07 williamdunne: Hmm you're right, none of these examples are all that great

03:13:27 mircea_popescu: to bring the point home : you can only be NOT cis. because the people who use the term aren't, and to the entire would outside of that small, retarded minority the term is meaningless.

03:13:56 mircea_popescu: much like rape, racism, privilege, democracy, equality, social justice etc etc.

03:14:11 williamdunne: Indeed, so she is either a transvestite or a squirrelkin

03:14:15 asciilifeform: not meaningless >> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Cis-trans.svg/1280px-Cis-trans.svg.png

03:15:15 mircea_popescu: the list of terms scared up by the delusional have this fundamental property that they only exclude.

03:15:15 williamdunne: /apache attack helicopter

03:15:43 mircea_popescu: the .svg.png part is lulzy.

03:15:50 asciilifeform: aha

03:16:14 asciilifeform: (know why even? microshit exploder, iirc, could not view svg. at all.)

03:16:43 williamdunne: *could not

03:16:50 williamdunne: being highlighted

03:16:55 williamdunne: IIRC it can since ie9

03:17:35 williamdunne: yep

03:17:36 williamdunne: http://caniuse.com/#feat=svg

03:20:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25236 @ 0.00027849 = 7.028 BTC [-] {2}

03:21:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38764 @ 0.00027087 = 10.5 BTC [-] {2}

03:26:49 asciilifeform: quite unrelated, but very spiffy >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8bDCfZ_Cc

03:27:49 asciilifeform: (where's arsebot ?)

03:27:49 asciilifeform: '1945 Zeros Attack B-29 Formation over the Fujiama.'

03:27:49 decimation: assbot seems to be partially tits-up

03:31:36 mircea_popescu: decimation what's teh problem ?

03:31:53 decimation: where's assbot's page titles and bitly links?

03:32:19 mircea_popescu: oh

03:34:58 decimation: asciilifeform: it's interesting to see so many apparent successful zero 'intercepts'

03:35:23 decimation: my understaning is that bomber tail guns were not very effective

03:37:02 deedbot-: [fraudsters] /btc/, the most recent 8chan board - http://fraudsters.com/2015/btc-the-most-recent-8chan-board/

03:38:02 williamdunne: decimation: Seems like they'd server more of a deterrent purpose than anything

03:38:12 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134258 <<< total butterface, great tits though

03:38:12 assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 02:56:56; williamdunne: indiancandy1: http://i.imgur.com/JlzKjcw.jpg can't see your face though

03:38:35 williamdunne: cazalla: I wouldn't go so far as butterface, definitely not the strong point

03:38:45 williamdunne: Maybe I have soft spot for Indian women

03:40:11 cazalla: this one is only half indian though

03:40:53 williamdunne: And half greek, so you know she won't get anything done

03:41:44 cazalla: those desi girls are pretty hot mind you

03:43:08 williamdunne: I think its the combination of the skin, and some western-ish features

03:47:40 cazalla: what are western features?

03:49:14 cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/tXGZonM.jpg

03:51:09 williamdunne: Less Asian than other Asians

03:52:00 cazalla: isn't that the East :P

03:54:10 cazalla: anyway if ya like shanti, her porno is in the logs

03:55:33 cazalla: one for mircea_popescu https://instagram.com/p/zxai8jh6A4/?taken-by=realshantidynamite

03:56:49 decimation: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us/projectile-problem-goes-beyond-amtrak-train-and-philadelphia.html?_r=0 < lol apparently the new explanation for the amtrak crash in philadelphia is that the 'local citizens' were throwing bricks at the trains

03:57:49 decimation: "Getting ?rocked,? as locomotive engineers call it, is so common on the Northeast Corridor that trains long had metal grills over their windshields to act as armor. These days, thick glass is specifically designed to withstand the impact of a cinder block. Amtrak officials say trains are pelted in the neighborhoods around the crash site monthly."

03:57:49 hanbot: DUP bricks!

03:58:06 decimation: note that the new york times hasn't seen fit to cover this until now, because reasons

04:00:59 hanbot: reasons being, nobody had figured out how to hike their pet concern to the event.

04:02:47 decimation: well, one would think that the trains that carry the flower of the ny & dc elites might carry some level of interest

04:02:56 asciilifeform: l0lwut

04:02:59 asciilifeform: elite, on trains?

04:03:02 decimation: sure

04:03:03 asciilifeform: what is this, 1890 ?

04:03:07 hanbot: ^

04:03:21 decimation: how do you think they travel? tsa screening?

04:03:32 asciilifeform: 'learjet' etc

04:03:35 asciilifeform: no tsa.

04:03:37 hanbot: elites travel?

04:04:15 decimation: nah. if going from dc to ny (or reverse) aircraft would be less convenient

04:04:29 asciilifeform: only for plebes condemned to arse searches and queues

04:04:45 decimation: not really. you gonna land a plane in grand central station

04:05:10 hanbot: who goes dc-ny?

04:05:12 decimation: gotta go to teterboro or some other outlying airport

04:05:19 decimation: lawyers, politicians, media

04:05:28 hanbot: i thought it was all maryland

04:05:41 decimation: usg is all over the place

04:06:00 decimation: but the important bits are within walking distance of a metro station

04:06:04 hanbot: ny goes to albany, mostly.

04:07:09 decimation: joe biden was famous for commuting daily from delaware on amtrak

04:07:22 decimation: while he was a senator

04:07:43 asciilifeform: to imagine that this is why the bricks fly, is lunacy

04:08:06 decimation: sorry I wasn't implying that was the case

04:08:20 decimation: the fact that bricks fly at such trains ought to be newsworthy

04:09:05 decimation: my point being that it only turns out to be newsworthy once a major accident happens and people get injured/killed

04:24:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00028386 = 11.6099 BTC [+]

04:26:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55150 @ 0.00028386 = 15.6549 BTC [+]

04:38:46 trinque: deedbot-: add feed http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml

04:39:46 deedbot-: http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml is a go!

04:40:46 deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] electronics hack night featuring the twiddler and asciilifeform's TRNG - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/16_electronics-hack-night-featuring-the-twiddler-and-asciilifeforms-trng.html

04:41:47 deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] A brief history of the Bitcoin Foundation's activity from 10/2014 through 4/2015 - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/02_a-brief-history-of-the-bitcoin-foundations-activity-from-102014-through-42015.html

04:42:47 deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] fyooturgigs: knife sharpener, garbage-sorter, computational sommelier - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/26_fyooturgigs-knife-sharpener-garbage-sorter-computational-sommelier.html

04:43:47 deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] Well welcomed, the warrior - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/25_well-welcomed-the-warrior.html

04:44:47 deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] Bitcoin needs no changes to destroy your world - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/24_bitcoin-needs-no-changes-to-destroy-your-world.html

04:45:47 deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] Hacking on the Satoshi Codebase: Some Pointers - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/02/01_hacking-on-the-satoshi-codebase-some-pointers.html

04:46:48 trinque: decimation | it occurs to me that one use of deedbot would be timestamping potential evidence, like camera/video captures << seems a fine use.

04:47:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00028386 = 2.5547 BTC [+]

05:03:52 trinque: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/03/27/pakistans-long-history-of-fighting-saudi-arabias-wars/

05:04:52 decimation: sure, pakistan has been a useful stooge for a variety of powers

05:05:46 trinque: given the cozy relationship there I would not be surprised if saudi tries to purchase nukes from pakistan, if they haven't already

05:05:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66150 @ 0.00027653 = 18.2925 BTC [-] {3}

05:06:36 decimation: eh, saudi arabia doesn't really need nukes

05:07:05 trinque: why don't they?

05:07:21 decimation: they got usg's nukes on call if they need them

05:14:37 trinque: http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-considers-nuclear-weapons-to-offset-iran-1430999409 << usg might be shifting the balance of power in the region towards their competitor

05:15:37 trinque: I wouldn't trust the USA if I were them.

05:18:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43850 @ 0.00027138 = 11.9 BTC [-] {3}

05:19:12 trinque: http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-nuclear-deal-raises-stakes-for-iran-talks-1426117583

05:43:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00027033 = 5.0822 BTC [-]

05:47:27 mats: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-32747454

05:48:27 mats: > China to invest $50bn in Brazil infrastructure

06:36:34 gabriel_laddel: BAD (bitcoin-assets distro) update #2.

06:36:41 gabriel_laddel: Testing the install process has been impeded by possibly faulty hardware (my testing box reliably kernel panics as of today - idkwtf). I'm stalled until I've new boxen. If someone were willing to set aside a few hours to test the install process, please leave it in the logs. I'll follow up with you via PM.

06:38:49 *: BingoBoingo still rather inclined towards promoting *nix hetrogeny

06:42:51 *: gabriel_laddel sees *nix hetrogeny as meaningless unless the personalized systems all have sources included, can be bundled into a usb stick or CD/DVD installer with a single procedure call

06:49:49 gabriel_laddel: Quote suggestions for 8chan ads:

06:49:56 gabriel_laddel: "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense." - JMC

06:49:59 gabriel_laddel: "PS. Smart people don't give a shit about how much money you have. Because they can take it from you, any time they feel like it. Get it through your skull: you ain't buying it, you ain't coercing it, get on your knees and start worshipping it." -- http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-sanity-dogma/#comment-95113

06:50:59 gabriel_laddel: "in the meantime, resistance is not futile. only the weak of mind will be assimilated, and they are no loss, anyway." -- Naggum

06:52:30 gabriel_laddel: "Reductio ad absurdum, which Euclid loved so much, is one of a mathematician's finest weapons. It is a far finer gambit than any chess play: a chess player may offer the acrifice of a pawn or even a piece, but a mathematician offers the game. -- A Mathematician's Apology (London 1941)"

06:55:50 gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134249 << !s chetty

06:55:50 assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 02:54:48; indiancandy1: im like the only pretty girl who comes in here

06:55:54 gabriel_laddel: !s hanbot

06:55:55 assbot: 795 results for 'hanbot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hanbot

06:57:43 gabriel_laddel: ;; later tell indiacandy1 who are your role models in the porn biz?

06:57:44 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:58:22 BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Did you stumble upon my 11 year plan in the logs yet?

06:59:12 gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: becoming a MMA punching bag? Yeah.

06:59:25 gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: whats up?

06:59:41 BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Nah, avoiding MMA, becoming a boxing tomato can for my 40th birthday in 11 years

07:00:07 BingoBoingo: Oh, not too much is up. My youngest brother got their BS in Mechanical engineering today.

07:00:36 gabriel_laddel: neat

07:00:45 BingoBoingo: WOuld maybe recruit for La Republic serene if we need a trebuchet

07:01:38 BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Year one goal is ending their year in sufficient shape after a decade of chainsmoking and heavy drinking to not get too winded at a gym

07:02:25 BingoBoingo: Also strengthening the metacarpals through controlled stress fractures

07:03:31 gabriel_laddel: Eh, whatever floats your boat I suppose.

07:03:48 gabriel_laddel: I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes.

07:05:03 BingoBoingo: I like walking too, but walking lets me smoke while I do it, also seems less like exercise and more liek an activity of daily living the doctors count against you if you can't do it.

07:06:40 gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: are you trying to impress to fuck a doctor or something?

07:06:43 gabriel_laddel: who cares?

07:09:40 BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I live in a rogue state atm (Illinois) and I'd rather not have to get a prostate exam to buy legit hunting rifle of Mosin or Simnov design. So earlier this week I was watching past oscar movies and hit Million Dollar Baby. Then it hit me. Why not weaponize me?

07:10:15 gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: someone willing to slit throats isn't scary

07:10:22 gabriel_laddel: really, they're not even that useful.

07:10:32 gabriel_laddel: learn organic chemistry

07:10:41 gabriel_laddel: a motivated chemist is really fucking scary

07:11:16 gabriel_laddel: china ships precursors to mexico all the time, head out there (cn), meet the people involved.

07:11:25 BingoBoingo: Oh, scary is context dependent. I sat through ~75% of a pharmacy school's curriculum as a grad assistant who just worked the microphones.

07:12:10 BingoBoingo: Thing is the legitimate governments of most of mexico frown on synthesis without their blessing.

07:12:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00027969 = 8.3627 BTC [+]

07:12:21 gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: China homie

07:12:35 gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: do you know synth then?

07:13:42 BingoBoingo: I know the concept of a recipe and I know what a catecholamine is.

07:13:47 BingoBoingo: ?

07:14:42 BingoBoingo: China? WTF?

07:15:01 gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: Explain C2 symmetry to me.

07:17:08 BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: It is a rotational thing. Anything cool will lack symmetry greater than C1.

07:18:07 BingoBoingo: Blame our earth biases towards amino acids one way and carbohydrates another, not opposite way

07:19:26 BingoBoingo: citalopram vs. escitalopram and levo-methamphatamine vs. dex-methamphetamine is a good starting point on chirality

07:20:49 gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: The bent I'm attempting to communicate here is something like this: You've made it to #b-a, which unlike any community I've ever encountered provides a foundation for building a sane civilization and you want to... become a boxer? It doesn't follow. Boxing is a last resort sort of thing, even if you were to become the worlds best boxer you're still basicly some poor fuck who couldn't make

07:20:55 gabriel_laddel: it as an intellectual.

07:21:24 gabriel_laddel: If your goal is to become scary, well, there are way to get there that are going to make you much more scary than the worlds best MMA fighter.

07:21:50 BingoBoingo: Ah, You are looking at ends.

07:21:51 gabriel_laddel: If your goal is to become healthy, idk how boxing figures into it.

07:22:07 gabriel_laddel: Yeah, always work towards a purpose, not a cause right?

07:22:14 gabriel_laddel: (I kid)

07:22:49 gabriel_laddel: that said, I wish you the best in all your ventures.

07:23:19 BingoBoingo: My take is there is a tradition.

07:24:01 gabriel_laddel: Regarding China - finding reliable chemical suppliers and integrating with the WoT sounds like a useful use of one's life.

07:24:11 gabriel_laddel: /s/useful/productive

07:24:30 gabriel_laddel: <BingoBoingo> My take is there is a tradition. << this means nothing to me

07:25:45 BingoBoingo: It requires minimal monetary expenditure and substantial time expenditure to approach X, A side effect of X is getting punched. Getting punched will happen regardless through other habits I entertain.

07:28:34 cazalla: ya know BingoBoingo, people told pacman he couldn't become a boxer

07:28:48 BingoBoingo: ^

07:29:31 gabriel_laddel: Getting punched will happen regardless through other habits I entertain. << can't save people from themselves...

07:29:56 BingoBoingo: I'm actually pretty good at taking a beating.

07:30:21 gabriel_laddel: I'm excellent at shooting H

07:30:23 gabriel_laddel: ...

07:30:24 gabriel_laddel: ?

07:30:30 gabriel_laddel: Seriously?

07:30:46 BingoBoingo: Seriously, Mu chin is good.

07:30:47 gabriel_laddel: Between me, rents and sickboy I'm the best petty thief

07:30:58 mircea_popescu: https://8ch.net/static/banners/cul/1427429909196.png heh. quite.

07:32:37 BingoBoingo: +++++++ ^ +++++++++

07:33:09 mircea_popescu: decimation afaik it was always known (tm) that they found him by sherpa.

07:33:55 mircea_popescu: <decimation> they got usg's nukes on call if they need them << nope, not anymore. new king is trashing the alliance.

07:34:05 mircea_popescu: the us will have to work out of cuba and hawaii.

07:34:49 BingoBoingo: Thankfully Obummer surrendered to the Castros

07:34:53 mircea_popescu: can be bundled into a usb stick or CD/DVD installer with a single procedure call <<< exactly this.

07:35:06 mircea_popescu: an "install" you have to "fiddle with" is not an install.

07:37:02 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel kinda too long to fit on a banner, i fthat's what you meant ?

07:37:11 cazalla: of course for every pacman there is countless spider ricos

07:38:08 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: small fonts? I can't speak for anyone else, but I *must* read pretty much any text that makes its way into my vision.

07:38:13 cazalla: BingoBoingo, figured you more for baseball anyway, then you could get juiced up on HGH

07:38:19 cazalla: hispanics getting homeruns

07:38:33 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes. << im pretty much the same.

07:39:53 BingoBoingo: cazalla: The time it takes to learn to throw anything left handed... versus the exosud of young potential prize fighters for MMA and the NFL... I leik my odds

07:40:18 mircea_popescu: " You've made it to #b-a, which unlike any community I've ever encountered provides a foundation for building a sane civilization and you want to... become a boxer? It doesn't follow." << ahaha lulzy way to put it, but i dbout the guy actually aspires to this as his life. sounded more like a hobby to me

07:40:53 cazalla: still don't get the 11 years of training

07:41:00 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i think that's how half the chan people are too. that's why it's such a trap for them

07:41:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Honestly having been roundly rejected by the fiat economy anything I approach is as a hobby, except for the qntra. The Qntra is deadly serious.

07:41:23 mircea_popescu: but anyway, guy has it : we definitely need more people in china.

07:41:40 BingoBoingo: cazalla: If only you knew the tar on my lungs.

07:42:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00027982 = 4.4631 BTC [+]

07:42:24 BingoBoingo: Also, 40 is kind of peak athlete age barring major injuries

07:42:53 cazalla: i dunno about that, boxing? maybe though

07:43:55 cazalla: but still, 12-18 months training and you're good to go

07:43:56 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Think about how many pitchers peak in ability in their late 30's early 40's (or not) versus combat sports peeps over at 30 because they are too beat.

07:44:03 cazalla: and that's if ya only never boxed before

07:44:31 BingoBoingo: First step is getting to high school graduation weight.

07:45:25 cazalla: slip the jab

07:45:26 BingoBoingo: While building the upperbody and core back up

07:45:27 mircea_popescu: https://media.8ch.net/cul/src/1427434337209.jpg :D

07:46:27 cazalla: do ya compound exercises

07:46:27 gabriel_laddel: hahahaha

07:46:27 BingoBoingo: I leik'd dpb's "transmen are evil" sjw clickbait tumblr

07:46:29 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Working on it.

07:47:09 cazalla: yeah i keep meaning to as well but the booze really gets its hooks in

07:47:23 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66ag6-nWZ1E << dude, i had no idea that cartman-vlog south park episode was actually ripped from an irl thing

07:48:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00027982 = 3.6517 BTC [+]

07:48:23 BingoBoingo: Boose isn't as bad as the smoking it seems atm for me, may change.

07:48:23 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Anymore nothing in south park doesn't have an irl connection

07:48:49 mircea_popescu: apparnetly.

07:49:22 BingoBoingo: Last season's season long arc and its tanents all irl tied

07:49:35 BingoBoingo: *tangents

07:50:31 mircea_popescu: check it out jurov https://8ch.net/btc/res/33.html#177 teh plebs do not like your art!

07:51:31 cazalla: ya should toss a quote in from that boy and the tree, that'd go well in /pol/ believe it or not

07:51:31 mircea_popescu: (honestly, that hauling assets banner is great, easily the best of the crop. meanwhile the qntra one is probably the shittiest. imagine these derps, conflating the extremes like that)

07:51:31 BingoBoingo: Nah that's a tie for beating rhonda quotes

07:51:40 mircea_popescu: cazalla oh that's a point huh.

07:52:40 cazalla: it's a great story though, not the first fraudsters article i read but the first that stuck in my mind

07:55:05 cazalla: BingoBoingo, anyway we should both train and then we can put on some exhibition fights in BA in a year or 2, find some local picaninnies to go up against

07:55:24 BingoBoingo: cazalla: That sounds agreeable

07:55:37 mircea_popescu: ;;seen mike_c

07:55:39 gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <mike_c> i'll add something

07:55:57 BingoBoingo: The dying locust tree in the back yard will probably appreciate the break

07:55:59 mircea_popescu: omg mikey! i need you.

07:59:30 BingoBoingo: If anyone didn't guess already the Qntra Bird Flu article came out of buying 2 dozen eggs and the next week buying the same two dozen eggs for a budget busting (who plans for 67% markups) price.

08:00:05 cazalla: BingoBoingo, buying em? what's the matter with you, can't catch a chicken?

08:00:31 cazalla: chicken chasing is how we use to train in the old days btw

08:02:31 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Turkeys here you can catch wild. Fuck, drove past a roadkill armadillo today which should only happen on the other side of the mississippi river. Chickens though... It takes three eggs to make a decent omlette. Even if you are getting an egg from each hen per day that's still a lot of birdshit.

08:03:07 cazalla: armadillo edible?

08:03:36 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Carries Leprosy

08:04:17 BingoBoingo: So, maybe? I'm not that brave.

08:05:02 cazalla: i thought road kill was like american pie

08:06:16 BingoBoingo: cazalla: You still got to be picky. People fight over rights to bumper deer. Less so for plague carriers like armadillo.

08:06:48 BingoBoingo: http://philippinefailblog.com/what-a-filipino-resume-might-look-like/

08:10:37 *: BingoBoingo would rather punch one of the local coyotes into dinner than try making an armadillo edible

08:11:37 BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: The bent I'm attempting to communicate here is something like this: You've made it to #b-a, which unlike any community I've ever encountered provides a foundation for building a sane civilization and you want to... become a boxer? It doesn't follow. Boxing is a last resort sort of thing, even if you were to become the worlds best boxer you're still basicly some poor fuck who couldn't make << Where are

08:11:37 BingoBoingo: you a native to?

08:12:05 gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: USSA

08:12:58 BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> If your goal is to become scary, well, there are way to get there that are going to make you much more scary than the worlds best MMA fighter. << Scary for the sake of scary is one of the last things I aspire to. That's how people get shot and sliced.

08:13:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14507 @ 0.00027969 = 4.0575 BTC [-]

08:14:30 gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: You're splitting (the wrong) hairs.

08:15:21 BingoBoingo: Anyways my survey of the field now is half the people on my high school's football team tried MMA at one point and got into "pro" fights of some sort. They played the proverbial tomato can to a t.

08:15:52 BingoBoingo: Because few of them could get under heavy weight.

08:16:02 gabriel_laddel: ...

08:16:12 *: gabriel_laddel sputters, cannot compute

08:16:22 *: cazalla buys BingoBoingo a tapout shirt for xmas

08:16:22 BingoBoingo: Some things don't

08:17:23 *: BingoBoingo still works on getting reasonably fit though

08:19:36 *: BingoBoingo though doing an honest assessment finds a person who can reasonably keep up in a lot of #b-a convos but who can't program for shit. And honestly... training to trade punches seems much easier than learning to program on any level approaching asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, and mod6.

08:20:11 BingoBoingo: And numerous others

08:33:02 *: BingoBoingo admits probably too old to lern to code worth damn

08:33:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53460 @ 0.00027015 = 14.4422 BTC [-] {2}

08:36:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00027695 = 9.9979 BTC [+] {2}

09:34:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00027982 = 5.2326 BTC [+]

09:40:56 punkman: http://stupidhackathon.github.io/index.html

09:42:41 punkman: https://github.com/diafygi/gnu-pricing

09:46:28 punkman: http://mistaken.co/assets/app_picture.png

10:15:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64800 @ 0.00027534 = 17.842 BTC [-] {2}

10:20:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7602 @ 0.00027982 = 2.1272 BTC [+]

10:26:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44855 @ 0.00027118 = 12.1638 BTC [-] {2}

10:27:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4295 @ 0.0002685 = 1.1532 BTC [-]

10:40:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21863 @ 0.00027982 = 6.1177 BTC [+]

10:49:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00027988 = 10.2436 BTC [+] {2}

11:00:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.0002685 = 4.7659 BTC [-]

11:04:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00027301 = 13.6095 BTC [+] {3}

11:14:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30009 @ 0.00028072 = 8.4241 BTC [+]

11:44:47 copypaste: ;;later tell mircea_popescu 8chan is also blocked in Saudi Arabia and Oman according to reports I've received. Apparently only a few Russian ISP block it on order of ROSKOMNADZOR.

11:44:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:10:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48216 @ 0.0002684 = 12.9412 BTC [-] {2}

12:24:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110000 @ 0.00026761 = 29.4371 BTC [-] {2}

12:27:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56200 @ 0.00027402 = 15.3999 BTC [+] {2}

12:47:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.0002676 = 7.3724 BTC [-]

12:53:45 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134165 i don't see how, if we're limited to straight paths for electrons

12:53:45 assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 02:37:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134108 << they don't need to turn sharp corners, in our hypothetical machine

12:54:12 jurov: your "field emission display" is in fact counterexample - it does no computation whatsoever while electron flies

12:55:30 jurov: classic CRTs do at least the "demultiplexing"

12:58:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00028096 = 7.614 BTC [+] {2}

13:16:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00027548 = 6.5013 BTC [-]

13:24:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00028108 = 5.2843 BTC [+]

13:41:39 davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/g5ci4oK.png <<< the paymium banner

13:42:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:58:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00027707 = 9.9053 BTC [-]

14:12:01 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << notice anything ?

14:13:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:13:43 asciilifeform: jurov: you are quite right, the electrons would have to move laterally. but not necessarily in very sharp turns.

14:32:25 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mail.

14:32:26 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:35:26 asciilifeform: yes, we broke a pgp key.

14:35:30 mats: how exciting

14:37:18 asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla https://bitbet.us/bet/1144/phuctor-will-find-a-bad-key can be resolved? get the necessary data from mircea_popescu

14:38:18 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:38:37 asciilifeform: (for anyone perplexed - we promised not to announce dud keys publicly, at least not if key's owner answers the warning - see http://nosuchlabs.com/theory )

14:40:01 *: kakobrekla doesn't resolve bets, but mods that do read bb comments so is fine.

14:40:48 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i woke you up because the info necessary to resolve this bet is not public (as of yet.) hence tricky.

14:41:17 asciilifeform: in fact, i'm rather unclear on what will happen if key's owner wakes up and asks 'pretty please don't rape me on camera'

14:41:28 davout: RAEP RAEP RAEP

14:41:36 asciilifeform: (he isn't anyone we know. but we did promise to spare)

14:42:17 mats: i loled. 1.08btc on 0.02btc

14:42:44 asciilifeform: somebody's gonna chortle on cock

14:42:53 mats: too bad its the house

14:42:57 davout: lol

14:43:12 *: asciilifeform recused himself from the bet

14:43:31 kakobrekla: well, lets see what the wot is worth.

14:44:30 kakobrekla: anyway, the affected parties are basically (listed by alphabetical order): mp

14:46:20 asciilifeform: phun phuct: i never actually tested the code which displays phuctored moduli. (couldn't be bothered to craft a dud key, it's a pain) - but it worked. because was written correctly. perhaps a novel concept to some folks

14:49:45 *: kakobrekla never heard of that

14:50:02 asciilifeform: and the poor bugger appears to be in the strong set, no less.

14:55:07 davout: asciilifeform: aren't there, by definition, at least two 'buggers'?

14:56:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38700 @ 0.00028269 = 10.9401 BTC [+] {2}

15:06:44 adlai: iiuc, finding the second bugger would require bruteforce checks against all the keys contributing to the modulus that phucked the first bugger

15:07:09 adlai: (not that much work, definitely less than the work which has already been done to find the first one)

15:08:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65450 @ 0.00028294 = 18.5184 BTC [+]

15:08:30 adlai: (phuctor now knows the factorization of a single key, and it knows which of the two prime factors is shared with the second bugger)

15:08:55 davout: if you know that there's another broken one in the set, might as well re-check the set to find it

15:26:42 asciilifeform: davout: there sure are

15:26:55 asciilifeform: davout: in not too long, i will learn who the 2nd one is.

15:27:03 asciilifeform: so here's my other observation:

15:27:20 asciilifeform: we haven't really discussed it, but there are interesting implications in breaking a fella's pgp key.

15:27:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu likes to speak of having 'killed' that greek derp, but in a very real sense the schmuck whose key we just broke, is dead

15:28:23 asciilifeform: which is to say, i could sign, with his key, 'please rape me in public with a donkey' and it will be as legit as anything he will ever say himself

15:28:26 asciilifeform: in the eyes of the gods

15:30:07 asciilifeform: to rephrase, he no longer (if ever did) have sole control of his private key

15:30:36 asciilifeform: and we must not neglect the third party - the fine folks who boobytrapped mr schmuck's copy of pgp.

15:32:41 asciilifeform: if keys are identities are people - which, for purposes of wot and dealings among folks who will never meet in the flesh, they most certainly are - that one: has died.

15:33:42 asciilifeform: phuctor does not send automatic emails. to anyone. so, let's see what happens when mircea_popescu writes to mr schmuck

15:34:03 asciilifeform: but my point above was, what are we to do with the answer? it could be coming from just about anyone!

15:44:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38491 @ 0.00027652 = 10.6435 BTC [-] {2}

15:45:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3909 @ 0.00027595 = 1.0787 BTC [-] {2}

15:49:00 jurov: asciilifeform: but there were multiple people with colliding moduli, not only one?

15:49:23 jurov: or i misunderstand something?

15:51:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39142 @ 0.00027555 = 10.7856 BTC [-]

15:54:22 jurov: soo i have inadvertently turned to computational sommelier,too... thinking about replacement to my broken qwerty phone, then it hit me..n900!

15:55:49 jurov: with possible upgrade to neo900 in few months (expected price 900euro, tho)

15:58:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00026963 = 11.3245 BTC [-]

15:59:46 adlai: jurov: yes, at least two keys need to have a primer in common. had phuctor run over the keys in reverse order, it would've found the other chump first

16:05:33 asciilifeform: jurov: there is a second, but it will take a while to unearth it.

16:08:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu!

16:09:41 mircea_popescu: aha

16:10:03 mircea_popescu: 340k submitted HOL SHIT

16:10:12 asciilifeform: ahahahaha.

16:10:13 mircea_popescu: achtung BingoBoingo cazalla : phuctor broke a rsa.

16:10:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu read log

16:10:25 asciilifeform: and check yer mails

16:12:05 mircea_popescu: lol

16:12:09 mircea_popescu: dude...

16:12:12 mircea_popescu: yes im going to

16:12:41 asciilifeform: the most lulzy part (what the common factor was) is not even posted publicly yet.

16:13:07 mircea_popescu: im waiting to share it in the interview lolz.

16:13:27 asciilifeform: kudos to mircea_popescu for supplying the cpu cycles for this apparatus pro bono

16:13:59 mircea_popescu: i am in complete disbelief that this actually happened.

16:14:06 mxtm: what exactly has happened?

16:14:09 mxtm: gpg key has been breached?

16:14:10 mxtm: or

16:14:45 asciilifeform: mxtm: some 2 schmucks (of which i've identified 1, but the other will follow in a week or so) had common factor in their rsa private keys.

16:15:22 mircea_popescu: this is truly fucking major.

16:15:43 mxtm: and you derived the priv keys from this?

16:16:47 mircea_popescu: yes. once keys are factored we have the privkey.

16:16:58 mxtm: jeez

16:17:01 mircea_popescu: yes.

16:17:02 mxtm: that is quite major

16:22:29 mircea_popescu: that is quite major. but it's not the half of it.

16:22:35 mircea_popescu: more stuff to be announced here, later.

16:23:57 mircea_popescu: ;;rated asciilifeform

16:23:57 gribble: You rated user asciilifeform on Sat Nov 30 16:31:44 2013, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: S.NSA engineer..

16:24:15 mircea_popescu: ;;rate asciilifeform 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing.

16:24:16 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

16:24:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49144 @ 0.00026758 = 13.15 BTC [-] {2}

16:24:24 mircea_popescu: !rated asciilifeform

16:24:24 assbot: You rated user asciilifeform on 30-Nov-2013, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: He came up with the Cardano For Christmas marketing plan. Also phuctor..

16:24:29 asciilifeform: eh waitup

16:24:31 mircea_popescu: !rate asciilifeform 5 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing.

16:24:32 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f995623f9ad9fe6a

16:24:33 asciilifeform: perhaps the ssl folks did

16:24:35 asciilifeform: factor one

16:24:49 mircea_popescu: i sign my lines, you sign your lines

16:25:01 asciilifeform: l0k

16:25:23 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.asciilifeform.5:d27ae6467cd0fbd6f440b352f05f3a753c3bde57d60bac74172b5cf5cc0fd544

16:25:23 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 4 to 5 with note: 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing.

16:39:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65133 @ 0.00027838 = 18.1317 BTC [+] {3}

16:48:55 williamdunne: Holy shit wel done asciii

16:50:08 asciilifeform: williamdunne: 'first ecstacy, then laundry.' (al schwartz)

16:52:31 jurov: asciilifeform: phuctor rejects this: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x0E280B593F9A01F9

16:53:31 jurov: i have verified my gpg 2 imports it

16:53:31 asciilifeform: jurov: most peculiar. it is a valid rsa key.

16:53:31 mircea_popescu: yeah now he has to do various shit.

16:53:53 asciilifeform: no this is a good find, i will add it to the queue of three or four other mysterymeats

16:54:11 asciilifeform: the only peculiar thing i can see in this key is the use of odd orcish hieroglyphs in the id string

16:54:24 asciilifeform: but that shouldn't throw off my apparatus.

16:55:48 mircea_popescu: lmao utf strikes again

16:55:57 mircea_popescu: python strings alf. python strings.

16:57:15 *: asciilifeform promises to investigate this oddity, and see if there are others like it, as soon as finishes current plate

17:00:23 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> yes. once keys are factored we have the privkey. << holy shit o.0

17:00:44 mircea_popescu: ikr?

17:02:30 asciilifeform: for the record, since folks were asking, much simpler than i thought,

17:02:37 asciilifeform: we have schmuck-P; if one were to divide Π(∀n) by (schmuck-P ^ 2), result is J*K where J is $schmuck-Q and K is $otherschmuck-Q. thereby K*schmuck-P == otherschmuckmodulus.

17:02:49 asciilifeform: no need to walk it.

17:04:19 mod6: lol, great work.

17:05:47 mod6: im stunned. very impressive.

17:05:59 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/

17:06:59 asciilifeform: that was fast.

17:06:59 mike_c: mircea_popescu: good afternoon

17:07:02 mircea_popescu: had to.

17:07:09 mircea_popescu: mike_c just hte man i wanted to see

17:07:26 mike_c: what can i do for you?

17:07:29 mircea_popescu: say, can i has 728x90 bitbet banners ? and in some manner WITH the link, so i can put them on 8chan ?

17:07:36 mircea_popescu: you get to use your own btc addy for referrals.

17:08:19 mike_c: yeah, i can whip that up

17:08:36 mircea_popescu: excellent.

17:09:03 mod6: wow! 231?!

17:09:15 *: mod6 falls out of his chair

17:09:18 mxtm: looooooooooooooool

17:09:20 mxtm: yeah

17:09:24 mxtm: that's great

17:09:39 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, congratulations

17:09:44 mod6: ^^

17:09:50 Apocalyptic: this is quite stunning

17:10:03 mircea_popescu: word.

17:10:06 mircea_popescu: i am quite stunned myself.

17:10:34 mircea_popescu: anyway, i do encourage everyone to try this themselves.

17:11:14 mxtm: now what do we do with our GPG keys and GPG in general :(

17:11:18 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, isn't Π(∀n) the product of all the modulus treated by phuctor ? how do you get $schmuck-Q * $otherschmuck-Q by dividing it by (schmuck-P ^ 2) ?

17:12:01 mircea_popescu: mxtm we check implementations to make sure they're conformant to spec.

17:12:06 mircea_popescu: the spec is in no way broken by this.

17:12:58 mircea_popescu: oh also - if anyone has a hacker news account or w/e - put it in.

17:13:16 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: you are correct, the formula is missing a step. but i will leave it as exercise.

17:13:45 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, that calculation makes sense if Π(∀n) is in fact the product of only the two modulus we're interested in

17:18:02 mats: asciilifeform: seen this? https://factorable.net/weakkeys12.extended.pdf

17:19:02 asciilifeform: mats: the ssl folks ?

17:19:02 asciilifeform: i shat on them when we started out, because they published neither code nor results !

17:19:02 asciilifeform: and i shit on them now.

17:19:02 mircea_popescu: ^

17:19:02 mircea_popescu: never happened (tm)

17:19:02 asciilifeform: aha.

17:19:37 asciilifeform: the paper is worth reading, it contains a bit of exposition on -how- a schmuck might end up with dupped privates

17:19:37 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, also I noticed that "Moduli waiting to test" number is updated quite regularly, why the running product displays the same number of digits for a while now, I guess it doesn't update as often ?

17:19:47 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: it gets updated when a batch is done

17:19:53 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: so you'll be waiting a few days

17:19:54 Apocalyptic: s/why/while

17:19:59 asciilifeform: ^ good question

17:20:02 asciilifeform: answrs.

17:20:07 mircea_popescu: optimized bubble-like process, was discussed in the logs iirc

17:20:14 mircea_popescu: faster to pair them up.

17:20:26 asciilifeform: we don't crap out the product often, it dances on the disk and slows things down

17:20:31 asciilifeform: it lives in ram normally.

17:20:34 Apocalyptic: understandable

17:20:44 asciilifeform: (which is why the thing takes an ungodly time to revv back up after a cold boot)

17:21:59 deedbot-: [fraudsters] Full disclosure : 4096 RSA key in the strongset factored. - http://fraudsters.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/

17:23:16 davout: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560790

17:24:16 asciilifeform: aaaaand then there were 2.

17:24:18 asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats

17:25:18 mats: if that makes it to front page, prepare for an onslaught of 'mp is a pornographer and slaver'

17:25:18 mircea_popescu: oh, well... this was powered by slave labour.

17:25:18 mircea_popescu: ask anyone. such as stan.

17:25:18 mats: asciilifeform: ya, wasn't sure if the link was the same paper you referred to earlier re: 'ssl folks'

17:25:18 jurov: lol. and which machine was this? in odessa?

17:25:26 mircea_popescu: ayup

17:25:59 mircea_popescu: and holy shit.

17:26:04 mircea_popescu: boys ? it ... it just found another.

17:26:10 mircea_popescu: NOT the pair to the previous one.

17:26:14 mircea_popescu: another PAIR

17:26:18 mod6: wow!

17:26:25 mxtm: WHAT LOL

17:26:27 mod6: exponential ?!

17:26:29 mircea_popescu: omfg strong set is rotten to the core.

17:26:36 mircea_popescu: expo-fucking-nential.

17:26:47 mircea_popescu: see, it needed a well loaded up P

17:27:02 davout: hory shet

17:27:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this 500 line py script published anywhere ?

17:27:34 asciilifeform: which

17:27:42 asciilifeform: the ugly www frontend ?

17:27:45 asciilifeform: or werker

17:28:01 Apocalyptic: wait, the worker is a python script ?

17:28:02 asciilifeform: i don't recall if i posted it anywhere.

17:28:07 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: v1 was. but not this one

17:28:20 asciilifeform: the thing that does the gruntwork is in c, uses gmp (as gpg uses)

17:28:28 Apocalyptic: sound choice

17:28:31 asciilifeform: the www front end is an ugly python hack

17:28:35 mircea_popescu: werker

17:28:40 mircea_popescu: ah ok

17:28:47 asciilifeform: i posted werker in #b-a a few days after phuctor went public

17:28:49 asciilifeform: no one commented

17:29:00 asciilifeform: feel free to post somewhere

17:29:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform plox put it as post on loper-os

17:29:20 asciilifeform: the src specifically ?

17:29:22 mircea_popescu: and yes, 2nd one also includes key in strong set.

17:29:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure, lemme cook up a ps0t

17:30:25 mircea_popescu: ty

17:31:58 davout: so 2 identified keys have been factored and 2 others have been factored, but not identified yet, right?

17:32:03 asciilifeform: aha

17:33:09 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, will the second colliding prime be published ?

17:33:40 davout: just publish them in chan, as they come, more log readership

17:33:58 davout: :D

17:34:40 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic nah.

17:34:47 mircea_popescu: just owner(s) announced.

17:35:13 mircea_popescu: davout two pairs of gpg keys are known, in the sense that their pubkey modulus has been factored.

17:35:53 kakobrekla: same p on second one?

17:36:10 mircea_popescu: nope. 21 this time. why bother with a full length 77 when one could just use 7.

17:36:13 mircea_popescu: faster.

17:36:29 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> just owner(s) announced. // once you have the owners name you can get their keys, and at that point it's trivial to compute the common prime factor

17:36:33 mircea_popescu: (generally - since the gcd finally contains 3, it will be a massacre now for all the shitty keys)

17:36:48 mod6: 21?!

17:36:54 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic announced PRIVATELY. of course.

17:36:57 mircea_popescu: im not tellin' you.

17:37:02 Apocalyptic: oh ok

17:37:05 davout: mod6: digits?

17:39:20 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic from what i hear alf's contemplating sending them certs signed by their own key.

17:39:28 mircea_popescu: he has a sense of humour like that.

17:39:37 Apocalyptic: heh

17:39:44 mod6: proof in the pudding :]

17:40:33 davout: mircea_popescu: best proof possible

17:41:41 davout: !up bad_duck

17:41:49 mircea_popescu: if anything shows the value of hard work and just sitting down and doing it, in the present environment of financial "futures" and just-in-time everything, this would be it.

17:42:03 davout: !rated bad_duck

17:42:03 assbot: You rated user bad_duck on 25-Mar-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: encore une victoire pour canard.

17:42:06 mircea_popescu: everybody could have tyold you gcd'ing is a waste of time and cycles.

17:42:28 mats: http://mercemolist.net/2014/10/07/colofon-navaja-negra-la-clave-rsa-que-al-final-se-rompio/

17:43:28 mircea_popescu: "que permit?a romper una clave p?blica de 1024 bits en 20 minutos, con un simple port?til."

17:43:37 jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/36a3mu/today_a_4096_bit_rsa_key_was_factored_more_coming/

17:44:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132661

17:44:37 assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 04:11:23; mircea_popescu: (for they following at home : 4x as many bits does not mean 4x as large numbers. when computer registers went from 32 to 64 bits, maxint went from 2147483647 to 9,223,372,036,854,775,807)

17:44:37 mircea_popescu: you know, just a line down from where i say "i have my doubts 4096 keys will EVER be factored."

17:44:37 bad_duck: davout: thx

17:44:37 mircea_popescu: of course, i was not contemplating nonsense of this sort.

17:44:37 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1504

17:45:37 davout: bad_duck: you should be able to !up yourself in PM with assbot

17:45:37 asciilifeform: jurov: i'm waiting for the apocalyptic 'omg1111111111!!!111 pgp broken, seppuku now' stampede

17:45:37 davout: hahaha, reddit is downvoting it

17:45:37 davout: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/36a1m2/full_disclosure_4096_rsa_key_in_the_strongset/

17:46:38 mircea_popescu: lol.

17:46:38 davout: if(matters) { downvote } else { moon_moon_moon }

17:46:38 jurov: more like "mircea popescu t3h ev1l"

17:46:56 mircea_popescu: what do i have to oh

17:46:59 mircea_popescu: cause of fraudsters ? ookay.

17:48:37 davout: because paywall...

17:48:57 mircea_popescu: the supreme irony of which being, that you have to be a fairly frequent reader to hit the paywall.

17:49:03 davout: precisely

17:49:26 jurov: of be behind NAT with an reader

17:49:28 jurov: *or

17:49:34 mxtm: wait

17:49:36 mircea_popescu: i guess, yeah.

17:49:36 mxtm: apparently, luckier

17:49:37 asciilifeform: the article on my www (earlier link) contains link to 'werker'

17:49:39 asciilifeform: for curious folks

17:49:44 mxtm: is that supposed to be a hint at the number

17:49:49 asciilifeform: l0l

17:50:00 mircea_popescu: mxtm no, it's just that having maintained control over the box i feel no need to divulge anything.

17:50:11 mxtm: gotcha

17:50:15 mats: re: previous es link, it appears openssl at some point did not check whether factors were weak

17:50:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at this point i must note that i have no idea if i'm connected to shakespeare or another man by the same name, when i talk to dulap

17:50:38 mircea_popescu: mats gpg always did afaik, special algo foir this

17:50:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15306 @ 0.00028464 = 4.3567 BTC [+]

17:50:58 asciilifeform: the box, if it had been purloined and returned, has yielded up its private ssh key to enemy

17:51:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why, no openssl ? :D

17:51:08 mircea_popescu: you can make another one.

17:51:14 asciilifeform: make other one by taking airplane ?

17:51:23 mircea_popescu: make another one while ssh'd in :D

17:51:25 asciilifeform: or by asking ft meade, where the process lives now, to do it

17:51:34 asciilifeform: if it was stolen - it remains stolen

17:51:38 asciilifeform: sorta how one can't un-fuck goat

17:52:02 asciilifeform: take a minute to think

17:52:14 mircea_popescu: APPRECIATE MY SARCASM GOD DANGIT

17:52:17 asciilifeform: l0lz

17:52:32 *: asciilifeform appreciates. commenting re: 'maintained control'

17:52:46 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/#comment-114210 << the problems of people.

17:53:49 jurov: just use cpanel to replace the ssh key, no?

17:53:49 mircea_popescu: ^^^

17:53:49 mircea_popescu: voted most likely to succeed perianne.

17:55:29 asciilifeform: so far this is nothing.

17:55:38 mircea_popescu: davout hit a reload, went from 2 points by davout 8 minutes ago to 49 points by davout 35 minutes ago | 11 comments

17:55:44 asciilifeform: wait till we find the boobytrapped pgptron that is responsible for the $smallint factors.

17:56:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very curious, because i always suspected you know "older versions"

17:56:07 mircea_popescu: well... shit man, older versions don't really do 4kb keys

17:56:18 trinque: holy phuctor

17:56:31 asciilifeform: gonna guess it's a creative bug where pollard-rho -must- fail to pass

17:56:33 davout: asciilifeform: what's the version string on the key?

17:56:54 asciilifeform: which one

17:57:35 jurov: phuctor discards comments, i guess

17:57:48 asciilifeform: jurov: actually sks does

17:57:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52218 @ 0.00028491 = 14.8774 BTC [+] {2}

17:58:23 mircea_popescu: yeah, sks cuts comments.

17:58:51 mircea_popescu: this, tbh, is a good move, because : someone came up with the fucktarded idea of adding "visual" identity to keys. as if i can tell one whore from another on the basis of a 5kb icon.

17:58:55 asciilifeform: i was never strongly interested in the version strings. anyone can write what he wants.

17:58:58 asciilifeform: it isn't even signed

17:58:59 mircea_popescu: allowing comments means you can't have fixed width tables, which ffs.

17:59:08 asciilifeform: i can change yours to 'pgp over dead goat' and it'll parse.

17:59:15 jurov: http://thetrendythings.com/read/27592 << snatched verbatim

18:00:15 mircea_popescu: also this.

18:00:15 mircea_popescu: jurov lots of these republishing things. i think it's some business major's idea of web entrepreneurship

18:00:40 asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560961

18:01:40 asciilifeform: ^^^

18:01:40 asciilifeform: !

18:01:40 asciilifeform: achtung, panzers

18:01:40 mats: hey, they preserved links to the original thing.

18:01:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know.

18:01:40 mircea_popescu: what did you think the considerations were.

18:02:56 asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560990

18:03:56 mxtm: woah, i didn't know that hpa was

18:03:56 mxtm: THE peter anvin

18:03:56 trinque: so... gpg's used by kernel devs to sign patches, eh?

18:04:19 trinque: oh man he's the maintainer of kernel.org?

18:04:27 mxtm: used to be

18:04:33 mxtm: and like his name used to show up on syslinux

18:04:35 trinque: that's... incredible

18:04:37 mxtm: everything that used syslinux

18:04:39 mxtm: it would be like

18:04:42 mxtm: SYSLINUX PETER ANVIN

18:04:50 mircea_popescu: sadly.

18:07:13 asciilifeform: wai wut

18:07:21 *: asciilifeform was off reading wankatron threads on hn, reddit

18:07:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought you were banned on graham-altman propertiesd

18:07:29 asciilifeform: did we just nuke a known fella

18:07:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my -site- iirc was banned.

18:07:41 mircea_popescu: ah ah

18:07:49 mircea_popescu: you were banned on wikipedia, for being a spammer, i recall now.

18:07:51 asciilifeform: i'm a little surprised that fraudsters wasn't

18:08:24 mircea_popescu: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560993 << independently confirmed

18:09:27 mod6: nice

18:09:27 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134868 <<< did that for a deed, got trinque all worked up, 'whoa, you really do GPG on an atari box??'

18:09:27 assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 17:59:08; asciilifeform: i can change yours to 'pgp over dead goat' and it'll parse.

18:09:27 trinque: haha

18:09:27 trinque: twas win 3.11, I remember

18:09:31 mircea_popescu: "In the army battle field tactical communication are handle by streaming ciphers on the radio. The idea is not to be impossible to breach. But strong enough that time is on your side"

18:09:32 mircea_popescu: experts :D

18:10:01 mircea_popescu: !up d34th

18:10:15 d34th: thanks, its been a while since i've been in here

18:10:49 mircea_popescu: how do you like the world outside ?

18:11:05 d34th: its a dark and dangerous place

18:11:10 mircea_popescu: lol

18:11:36 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/#comment-114212 << apparently the ddos guy is still lurking.

18:12:36 mircea_popescu: gotta update that post.

18:12:36 mircea_popescu: actually i guess just the comment will do.

18:13:08 mircea_popescu: !up dandelany

18:13:44 williamdunne: To this day I have not had my connection drop, the wired connection has remained solid without dropping. Maybe I'm just lucky and ddos guys like me?

18:13:47 mircea_popescu: Server Load 0.45 << kinda funny to watch fraudsters iron.

18:14:13 mircea_popescu: williamdunne i dunno what exactly he does, but if people are complaining it must be something.

18:14:23 trinque: it has happened to me on occasion

18:14:35 d34th: mircea_popescu: question about the working is it cpu based or opencl

18:14:36 trinque: not since cloaked and getting a new IP from the ISP

18:14:57 mircea_popescu: d34th you mean phuctor ? it's cpu

18:14:59 mircea_popescu: !up kmq

18:15:04 d34th: i have a few cores i could donate

18:15:07 davout: it would probably make sense for the phuctor to start munching SSL certs as well

18:15:21 mircea_popescu: d34th you wanna do something, do the same with ssl certs.

18:15:27 mircea_popescu: openssl is dead for us here./

18:15:56 asciilifeform: see link by mats earlier

18:15:59 asciilifeform: re: openssl

18:16:13 asciilifeform: (it was, purportedly, done, by a bunch of academitards who refuse to publish any results)

18:16:36 mircea_popescu: !up fgeek

18:16:41 mike_c: mircea_popescu: banner created. http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png?height=90

18:17:41 mircea_popescu: mike_c how do i get what url it needs to link to ?

18:17:41 asciilifeform: incidentally, folks asking 'how does it work' can go to my site & read the fucking src now

18:17:41 asciilifeform: the relevant bit is posted

18:17:41 davout: mircea_popescu: it would be better for the phuctor itself to do it

18:17:41 mircea_popescu: you can just import the P ?

18:17:41 mircea_popescu: it's published for this reason.

18:17:41 davout: or i guess yes, GCD the running product once in a while

18:17:50 asciilifeform: this is a point, if you convert your ssl or whatever rsa key to pgp format,

18:17:55 asciilifeform: you can throw it in the pot with the rest.

18:18:03 mircea_popescu: ^

18:18:09 asciilifeform: ditto ssh

18:18:15 mircea_popescu: in other news, how does a server look while trending on everything ? like so :

18:18:16 mircea_popescu: CKKC_CKC__._CKKKKWKKKK__KK_KKK___KKKK___C_KKC_KK___C_K.WWK._K__.

18:18:17 mircea_popescu: .KK_WCCC__K___CK_KKKK___K__C__C_KW_C_KK_K_KWK__C_CKC_W___.CK_KCK

18:18:17 mircea_popescu: KC_K_K__C_K_____K_______K_K_K____________K_..._.................

18:18:17 mircea_popescu: .............K..................................................

18:18:19 davout: asciilifeform: it doesn't parse plain rsa keys?

18:18:25 asciilifeform: (please don't throw in private key. i will -not- get it back out for you)

18:18:41 asciilifeform: davout: nope. applies pgp parser 1st

18:19:00 asciilifeform: -possibly- if folks ask nicely i will add a 'throw modulus raw' thing

18:19:21 asciilifeform: but right now the display apparatus expects all moduli to be associated with pgp keys

18:19:23 asciilifeform: (one or more)

18:20:07 mike_c: I have a script that will do it, not sure if you can use that for your ads? If not, we could either pick a specific bet to promote and link it to that, or link to homepage.

18:20:18 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: What do the CKW__.s mean?

18:20:26 asciilifeform: does one of you ad folks wanna make a commemorative banner for this occasion ?

18:20:35 asciilifeform: 'we broke a 4096 key, read how'

18:20:37 asciilifeform: etc

18:21:16 davout: lol, good idea

18:21:17 mircea_popescu: williamdunne "_" Waiting for Connection, "S" Starting up, "R" Reading Request, "W" Sending Reply, "K" Keepalive (read), "D" DNS Lookup, "C" Closing connection, "L" Logging, "G" Gracefully finishing, "I" Idle cleanup of worker, "." Open slot with no current process

18:21:35 mircea_popescu: mike_c you see how the 8chan ads work ?

18:21:46 asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Peter_Anvin

18:22:46 mircea_popescu: i pass a base64 img wrapped in a tags. could you maybe make it be the same and i just forward it ? dunno.

18:22:46 asciilifeform: then again, is it 'him' or 'another shakespeare'

18:22:46 asciilifeform: anybody got any material signed by anvin ?

18:22:46 davout: few extra features to implement for the phuctor... also nice to have: "throw list of URLs at it, it fetches the SSL cert and tries to factor it"

18:22:46 mircea_popescu: davout yeah cuz we're so totally out of material to squeeze atm :D

18:22:46 asciilifeform: l0l aha

18:22:46 mike_c: mircea_popescu: iframe?

18:22:48 mircea_popescu: run out of geyser oil, gotta go to fracking.

18:22:53 davout: yo

18:23:01 trinque: asciilifeform: https://lwn.net/Articles/461236/ ?

18:24:01 mircea_popescu: mike_c https://8ch.net/btc << see what it imports from fraudsters.com

18:25:01 williamdunne: mike_c: could work just as well as an <img src="something.php"/>

18:25:01 mircea_popescu: nice one trinque

18:25:01 trinque: mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy

18:26:01 asciilifeform: trinque: 0xBDA06085493BACE4

18:26:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35469 @ 0.00028515 = 10.114 BTC [+]

18:26:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561045 << please be warned about my kthx

18:27:21 mike_c: mircea_popescu: ok, i can make something like that. headed to a bbq right now, I'll get it going tonight.

18:27:21 mircea_popescu: thanks!

18:27:21 mike_c: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: awesome work guys :)

18:27:21 mircea_popescu: mostly him.

18:28:14 jurov: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561091 interesting

18:29:14 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, it so happens that $shmuck-Q is actually not a prime as well

18:29:16 mircea_popescu: nothing is a prime anymore ;/

18:29:48 asciilifeform: jurov: i was suspecting a spurious key

18:30:02 asciilifeform: or corrupt sks

18:30:28 mircea_popescu: interesting.

18:30:54 mircea_popescu: anyone feel like running a -v -v over the thing ?

18:31:02 mircea_popescu: curious what the actually useful output is.

18:32:03 mircea_popescu: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561049 << also this.

18:33:03 mircea_popescu: seems the guy was maybe being attacked or something ?

18:33:03 asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/3R5JRKD.txt << i get this

18:34:03 jurov: double verbose: http://live.coinbr.com/images/hpa.txt

18:35:03 asciilifeform: me thinks we may have found a mouse hill.

18:35:03 asciilifeform: who's got the mouse spray

18:35:03 d34th: asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/218K4BV.txt

18:36:03 mircea_popescu: so this is a manufactured subkey that was somehow uploaded to sks and merged into the guy's key but not necessarily used or even issued by him ?

18:37:39 asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561158

18:38:39 trinque: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3XT5Z9F.txt

18:39:39 mircea_popescu: incidentally... how likely is it that this behaviour is emergent, which is to say, you can't import the weak key ANYMORE ?

18:39:39 deedbot-: accepted: 1

18:39:39 mircea_popescu: possible at all even ?

18:39:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite possibly it was diddled -in order to- create this effect.

18:39:39 mircea_popescu: hm

18:39:39 asciilifeform: then again, what would they gain ?

18:39:39 asciilifeform: the subkey is skipped

18:39:39 asciilifeform: so what

18:39:39 asciilifeform: the rest of it gets sucked in

18:39:39 mircea_popescu: how would i know that

18:39:39 asciilifeform: anything anvin signs with his actual key, should still validate

18:39:39 mircea_popescu: no idea.

18:39:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00028395 = 7.6383 BTC [-] {2}

18:42:51 trinque: jurov: so yours imported the subkey?

18:43:09 jurov: no, rejected, scroll to the bottom

18:43:28 trinque: ah I see it; different output than mine

18:43:44 jurov: i asked it to be twice as verbose

18:44:02 trinque: yeah I did -v -v

18:44:07 trinque: maybe different versions

18:44:16 asciilifeform: at the moment it looks like sks bit rot is responsible

18:44:28 *: ben_vulpes is late to the party http://dpaste.com/27W05C2.txt

18:45:28 asciilifeform: anybody got his original published key ?

18:45:28 asciilifeform: the one for which the sigs verify

18:45:28 asciilifeform: (anvin's)

18:45:28 mircea_popescu: ^

18:45:28 mircea_popescu: !up anig

18:45:28 asciilifeform: (and we haven't even begun the other 3 poor schmucks)

18:45:28 mircea_popescu: because we have a year-old snapshot and it doesn't look different.

18:45:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wonder if this is reproducible, make sks servers display random data as people's subkeys.

18:46:13 mircea_popescu: definitely not what's expected from / implied by the listings, but who knows.

18:46:38 asciilifeform: seems like a bit of a tall order to believe that anvin was struck by a lucky cosmic ray

18:46:53 asciilifeform: this 'uncle' is 'too rich' to die a natural death

18:46:59 asciilifeform: too many hungry heirs

18:47:06 mircea_popescu: even from a purely operational standpoint - it'd seem sks servers have all the interest in the world to reject such broken keys rather than publish them, carry them in db etc

18:47:19 asciilifeform: afaik they don't check

18:47:23 mircea_popescu: weird.

18:47:28 asciilifeform: (if anyone can disprove this, please wake me up)

18:47:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we're #1 on hn btw

18:48:15 mxtm: wow

18:48:16 asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561179

18:49:17 mxtm: noice

18:49:17 mircea_popescu: couldn't have happened to better people.

18:49:17 asciilifeform: 'Here's what's going on: There are a number of keys on the keyservers that are faulty copies of real keys - they share most of the values, but have some errors. I don't exactly know why that is happening, but I assume it's because of network transmission errors or server crashes during transmissions. These keys don't really do any harm. ...'

18:49:17 asciilifeform: l0l

18:49:17 mxtm: wat

18:49:28 asciilifeform: https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/262 <<< aaad we got a plagiarist

18:50:28 mircea_popescu: i am not sure how much of this to believe.

18:50:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what exactly is this, ft meade damage control ?

18:50:28 asciilifeform: obligatory:

18:50:28 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916

18:50:28 assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.

18:50:28 asciilifeform: fuck

18:50:28 asciilifeform: '04-06-2014 00:08:26 <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.'

18:50:41 mircea_popescu: !up irkki

18:51:30 mats: assbot lives

18:51:52 mircea_popescu: slow, but here.

18:52:36 asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561212

18:53:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol dude's story is that he's replicated the results of phuctor since late march ?

18:53:36 mircea_popescu: mmmmkay.

18:53:36 mircea_popescu: brave of him to come out like that lol.

18:56:59 mircea_popescu: !up fufu

18:57:01 mircea_popescu: !up tmp6548

18:57:27 mircea_popescu: !up spockywocky

18:57:56 mats: hello visitors

18:58:18 kakobrekla: prolly ddosed to moon

18:58:44 mircea_popescu: strange, our fortress has a moat, provided free of charge by "the enemy"

18:59:28 tmp6548: Hi all

18:59:47 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: who is hanno's sponsor?

19:00:05 mats: http://www.codereversing.com/blog/archives/226 >> 'Nop Hopping: Hiding Functionality in Alignment'

19:01:06 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: feel free to dig. i can't be bothered.

19:01:06 trinque: https://hboeck.de/

19:02:07 ben_vulpes: found that, yeah

19:02:07 asciilifeform: mats: jumping into the middle of an instruction is as old as time

19:02:07 *: ben_vulpes is still sobering up from last nights revelry

19:02:07 mircea_popescu: freelance journo/whatevs. doubt there's sponsors in the classic sense.

19:02:07 asciilifeform: mats: classic vx-er trick

19:02:39 mircea_popescu: "The results I worried about, millions of children running Windows on the OLPC, have not occurred. Instead we see millions of children running Windows on the Intel Classmate."

19:02:41 mircea_popescu: poor rms.

19:05:30 asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody want to take the time to walk the sks set and check for 'skipped...' ?

19:05:54 asciilifeform: 'there is never kitchen with single cockroach'

19:05:58 ben_vulpes: * BingoBoingo though doing an honest assessment finds a person who can reasonably keep up in a lot of #b-a convos but who can't program for shit. And honestly... training to trade punches seems much easier than learning to program on any level approaching asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, and mod6. << you could catch up to me in rather short order

19:07:04 mircea_popescu: !up fche_

19:07:55 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'caltrop' << how does the tossing of control bits affect output?

19:08:08 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you won't see certain bytes in the output

19:08:27 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i specifically warned you not to use an rs232 dongle. don't be surprised when output fails a number of tests.

19:08:29 ben_vulpes: so if the device randomly cooks up a control sequence that will get ripped out?

19:08:34 asciilifeform: at all times.

19:08:48 ben_vulpes: aha

19:09:06 asciilifeform: 'everything can be as simple as possible, but not simpler' (TM) (R)

19:09:29 davout: asciilifeform mircea_popescu is the same 'skipped' behaviour observed when importing the second broken key?

19:09:36 mircea_popescu: and then, as that's ripped out, some tests will find the entropy not as good

19:09:55 mircea_popescu: davout tis on the list of things to do, but it is a long list

19:09:55 ben_vulpes: i am not as malbec immune as davout thinks

19:09:58 mircea_popescu: !up yang

19:10:05 yang: hi

19:10:06 mats: asciilifeform: as a new dog i must learn old tricks

19:10:08 mircea_popescu: ello

19:10:21 mats: asciilifeform: this in particular wasn't new to me but nonetheless i shared

19:10:22 ben_vulpes: mats: as a new dog i must piss on each and every electric fence

19:10:49 davout: mircea_popescu: it'd be really interesting to know, it's a gpg --recv-keys | grep skipped away

19:10:52 mats: asciilifeform: it hurts ma ego everytiem i get a 'old fucking news'

19:10:57 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it'll be especially puzzling because you won't immediately know why it fails, given as you debiased the bits

19:11:02 asciilifeform: (you did, didntcha?)

19:11:09 ben_vulpes: workin on that part

19:11:13 asciilifeform: so the missing value in the output won't be, e.g, 13

19:11:19 asciilifeform: it'll be a pattern.

19:11:41 mircea_popescu: davout yes but honestly i'd rather let it work some more first.

19:12:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ben_vulpes a fine example of the perils of "whitening".

19:12:13 asciilifeform: just as i said then

19:12:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got a link to your article quoting that day's convo ?

19:12:29 asciilifeform: i've misplaced it

19:12:36 asciilifeform: the one with rs232 link

19:12:37 mircea_popescu: you can't fool mother nature. nevertheless, it is more than happy to sell you the tools by which to fool yourself.

19:12:54 mircea_popescu: lemme look

19:13:07 asciilifeform: filed somewhere under s.nsa iirc

19:13:12 mircea_popescu: oh ya 1 sec

19:13:37 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics/#selection-771.0-773.42

19:14:37 mircea_popescu: !up xaxs

19:14:37 asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu. that's the one.

19:14:37 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ^^^^

19:16:07 *: ben_vulpes reads...again

19:16:11 decimation: asciilifeform: so did the sks server at one point accept anvin's key and then later bitrotted it?

19:16:20 decimation: cause I thought there was a checksum

19:16:46 mircea_popescu: this seems the most ... "nothing happened, go back to sleep"-benign theory.

19:17:08 mircea_popescu: it seems tempting, tho there are sticking points. but in any case, as phuctor progresses we'll get a better idea.

19:17:17 mircea_popescu: now that it has 3, 7, 11 etc in the P it will find all these.

19:17:20 decimation: doesn't the sks server check before shitting public key?

19:17:26 decimation: 'oh I got a bad key'

19:17:43 mircea_popescu: more on point, would you expect they STORE bad keys ?

19:17:47 trinque: incidentally dieharder has been busted in gentoo for at least two months

19:17:48 mircea_popescu: why ? space is an issue, right ?

19:17:57 mircea_popescu: trinque how ?

19:18:01 trinque: I'm trying to figure out why it wont build

19:18:05 mircea_popescu: heh.

19:18:07 decimation: apparently because of their political stance (all gpg keys must be public and stored for all time)

19:18:09 ben_vulpes: trinque: so it's not me!

19:18:10 asciilifeform: they store them, easily enough, by never checking

19:18:14 mircea_popescu: !up referredbylopero

19:18:35 asciilifeform: l0l it cuts the nicks

19:18:38 mircea_popescu: decimation doesn't that stance open them to incredible ddos ?

19:18:44 decimation: heh yeah sure does

19:18:51 mircea_popescu: i mean, if the claims is accurate, what's to keep me from making anyone's sks profile 1 gb long ?

19:18:59 decimation: I don't think anything

19:19:00 mircea_popescu: full of 1mn such pubkeys ?

19:19:10 ben_vulpes: trinque: how does one go about walking the history of portage?

19:19:43 trinque: ben_vulpes: you can always build a specific version provided the ebuild is still available in portage by emerge =category-name/thing-0.1.2

19:19:59 trinque: this underscores the need to archive /usr/portage/distfiles

19:20:03 decimation: well, I guess if you want your 'roster of people' to be a combination of legal record and bathroom graffiti, they got you covered

19:20:12 asciilifeform: ^

19:20:13 trinque: and probably the portage tree itself

19:20:54 mircea_popescu: decimation anyway, we'll know more / anything of actual substance once the guy himself answers.

19:21:10 asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561305

19:22:10 mircea_popescu: and we'll have a pretty decent picture once phuctor's done walking the set, which looks like a coupla months

19:22:10 decimation: indeed. I'm off on a home improvement project, good luck with the ramblig mob that's gonna come by

19:22:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the man has a good point.

19:22:10 asciilifeform: very much

19:22:39 asciilifeform: why not one of the guests is speaking, l0l

19:22:41 asciilifeform: all ddosed ?

19:23:18 davout: HN now displays "Why Japanese Toilets Are Failing in America (2013)" higher than this

19:23:39 trinque: lol this is now #20

19:23:42 trinque: for me

19:23:43 asciilifeform: davout: pg has an override button that is used very frequently and with scarcely any subterfuge

19:23:48 asciilifeform: (most folks know)

19:24:05 mircea_popescu: davout what diff does it make lol.

19:24:18 davout: none, just a random observation :D

19:24:25 asciilifeform: i recommend that someone who cares, snapshot the thing before it vanishes entirely

19:24:33 asciilifeform: assuming anyone cares.

19:24:38 davout: I was thinking time-decay algo

19:25:43 trinque: jumped from #1 to #20 abruptly for me

19:25:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://archive.is/08Ylu there

19:26:44 trinque: I've been refreshing

19:26:44 asciilifeform: neato

19:26:44 mircea_popescu: what was it that wiped an article badly leaving it still sorta-visible ?

19:26:44 mircea_popescu: was it reddit i think ?

19:26:44 asciilifeform: reddit

19:26:44 asciilifeform: re: blocksizewarz

19:26:44 asciilifeform: it was mega-lulzy

19:26:56 asciilifeform: because the 'hand of smiting' was visible

19:26:59 trinque: tendrils everywhere

19:28:51 mircea_popescu: oh right right

19:29:13 asciilifeform: iirc there's a full copy of it on mircea_popescu's www

19:29:28 mircea_popescu: was like "we have consensus and therefore will delete your reddit thread proving the contrary. because this will totally work, you being some derps who depend on the graham lulzatron"

19:29:31 mircea_popescu: then it... didn't work.

19:30:02 mircea_popescu: whether that proves the contrary, or for that matter whether the contrary needs any proof... exercise for reader.

19:31:25 ben_vulpes: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=throwaway2391 << bobby boy do i have to smack you again?

19:32:38 mircea_popescu: !up JPT

19:32:47 ben_vulpes: can you hear me major tom...

19:33:02 JPT: Thank you

19:33:06 mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?

19:33:40 JPT: I decided to read along a little since it got to me that some rsa keys were broken ;)

19:33:50 mircea_popescu: aha. enjoy.

19:33:54 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561398

19:34:54 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

19:34:54 mircea_popescu: !up delan

19:34:54 gribble: Current Blocks: 356889 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 1958 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours, 4 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52452025482.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.46717

19:35:02 mircea_popescu: so in also newsworthy : between yesterday and today there has been a shitton of hashpower added

19:35:08 mircea_popescu: enough to push the estimate up 5 points.

19:35:49 asciilifeform: any public comment on who/why ?

19:36:04 mircea_popescu: no. and obviously, "the process is inherently dirty" etc. nevertheless...

19:36:07 mircea_popescu: something came online.

19:36:18 asciilifeform: perhaps the first batch of those cable boxes.

19:36:30 mircea_popescu: lol. no fucking way.

19:36:42 asciilifeform: eh howthefuck would i know. but why not.

19:36:56 mircea_popescu: tosoon dude. how fast do you think that can be deployed.

19:37:25 asciilifeform: yesterday - if they were baked a month ago

19:37:36 mircea_popescu: not even designed yet.

19:37:43 asciilifeform: it srsly isn't hard

19:37:55 mircea_popescu: !up sharp0_

19:37:56 asciilifeform: none of this shit is hard

19:37:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00028283 = 13.4627 BTC [-]

19:38:05 mircea_popescu: nothing is hard. nothing gets done. ya know ?

19:38:08 trinque: lol dieharder has been rotting for a year on both redhat descendants and gentoo

19:38:14 asciilifeform: trinque: wai wat ?!

19:38:16 trinque: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=1106140

19:39:16 asciilifeform: as in, won't build at all ?

19:39:16 asciilifeform: or just as ebuild

19:39:16 mircea_popescu: trinque only terrorists would want to test their rngs.

19:39:16 trinque: yeah I'm figuring out a patch

19:39:16 davout: asciilifeform: just because something is easy for a guy with 200 IQ doesn't mean it's as easy for two dudes with 100 IQ

19:39:16 trinque: just missing an include

19:39:16 trinque: for intptr_t

19:39:16 trinque: blowing up inside glibc

19:39:16 asciilifeform: davout: no, i meant that it is actually not hard. as in, go and read definition for sha256

19:39:16 asciilifeform: not rocket surgery

19:39:16 mircea_popescu: THAT is hard.

19:39:16 davout: just teasing :D

19:39:20 trinque: asciilifeform: https://bugs.gentoo.org/531268

19:40:20 mircea_popescu: half the "literate" population can't even read fraudsters because "it's too hard" and words hurt their brain

19:40:20 davout: only action can be hard as only action can oppose resistance

19:40:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they won't read it because it makes them want to eat a luger

19:40:20 asciilifeform: this is understandable

19:40:20 trinque: gotta already want to eat a luger when you find fraudsters :p

19:40:20 mircea_popescu: !up KeesH

19:40:27 mircea_popescu: lol

19:41:14 asciilifeform: perhaps it needs a 'cum se suge luger' article

19:41:29 mircea_popescu: lmao

19:41:41 mircea_popescu: you know that's to this day one of the most popular articles ? i dunno what's with them ppls.

19:41:52 trinque: ok I fixed the dieharder build on gentoo

19:41:56 asciilifeform: like my 'clojure' article aha

19:42:04 asciilifeform: trinque: congrats. post plz

19:42:10 trinque: yeah I'll make a patch

19:42:14 trinque: just missing an include

19:42:16 asciilifeform: (mine was built in '11 and never touched since)

19:42:18 mircea_popescu: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561212 << THAT comment needs to go. lol.

19:43:18 mircea_popescu: funny how targetted them folks are.

19:43:18 asciilifeform: aha

19:43:18 asciilifeform: wondered if anyone will notice

19:43:18 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> most she-haters i know are womenz. << girl last night pointed out that all of her worst clients (she's a physical therapist, deals with highly athletic folks coming to terms with their now-reduced performance envelopes) are women

19:43:18 davout: oh god srsly, white on white

19:43:18 delan: mircea_popescu: grats to you and loper on factorising hpa’s key

19:43:18 delan: I really hope my keys’ factors are /actually/ prime

19:43:23 mircea_popescu: delan myeah. one shouldn't have to hope on this score, but then again here we are.

19:43:24 asciilifeform: delan: the good news is, that it remains possible to do arithmetic whether or not anyone grants permission. go and run test on your own

19:43:46 mircea_popescu: arithmetics drm, now that's an idea.

19:43:54 asciilifeform: delan: imagine, the entire 'international community' and obama himself can't stop you from running euclid.

19:44:11 asciilifeform: much as they might like to.

19:44:34 mircea_popescu: actually, a fully-explicit "how to extract your rsa moduli as numbers, and how to test things" write-up may be a good use of someone's time.

19:44:47 asciilifeform: it'll be a backbreaker on account of rolling in rfc2440

19:44:48 mircea_popescu: !up wowPGP

19:44:59 asciilifeform: but if we say 'use a tool' then 'pgpdump'.

19:45:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hence "may"

19:45:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39350 @ 0.0002841 = 11.1793 BTC [+] {3}

19:45:21 mircea_popescu: mopre like a training exercise for younguns looking to get shellshocked by "free software"

19:45:21 asciilifeform: iirc no extant pgptron includes this functionality

19:47:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tbh i find the "broken in transit" explanation offered by the back to sleep camp particularly ridiculous.

19:47:41 mircea_popescu: seriously, some bits got changed ? and what archive still extracted , no problem ?

19:47:48 mircea_popescu: no checksums even, no crypto, nothing at all ?

19:47:59 mircea_popescu: who is this supposed to persuade, exactly ?

19:49:22 davout: the real thing here would be to actually find a GPG implementation that does not run the check that leads normal ones to simply discard this key

19:49:41 delan: something fishy going on — http://puu.sh/hQVmI/b85c9c57d0.png

19:50:41 delan: probably getting nuked

19:50:41 mircea_popescu: davout how would you know it is even publicly accessible ?

19:50:45 mircea_popescu: maybe this is paort of a tandem with specific userland diddling.

19:51:01 mircea_popescu: which would neatly explain why it HAS TO stay on sks servers.

19:51:13 mircea_popescu: victim gets nsa-something or the other, gets the "key", etc.

19:51:18 asciilifeform: aha.

19:51:24 asciilifeform: the choice of victim is very telling

19:51:31 mircea_popescu: i meant the REAL victim.

19:51:36 asciilifeform: i should like to get a list of -everything- he 1) signed 2) public is running

19:51:38 mircea_popescu: some guy trying to do something or the other with softwasre.

19:51:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform debian.

19:51:52 asciilifeform: then we have our corpse.

19:52:10 ben_vulpes: conspiraci!

19:52:13 mircea_popescu: i am definitely suspicious of this entire tower of mirrors made of shit.

19:52:26 mircea_popescu: "oh, it's not really what it seems, fart fart"

19:52:46 asciilifeform: the buggers' only defence

19:52:48 asciilifeform: is the fart cloud.

19:53:00 asciilifeform: expect it to thicken, thicken.

19:53:20 mircea_popescu: anyway, im not entirely sure we might ever see the diddled gpg that goes with this didlded key to produce anything interesting

19:53:27 mircea_popescu: but if we do see it, im definitely publishing the story.

19:53:37 davout: mircea_popescu: yup, not saying it's possible, saying that would be definitive proof

19:53:52 mircea_popescu: it would be, yes, if it were to somehow be found.

19:54:02 asciilifeform: actually the necessary diddle would be small:

19:54:07 asciilifeform: anything that doesn't check self-sigs.

19:54:11 davout: yep, not saying anything more

19:54:21 asciilifeform: probably includes at least one 'www-based' pgptron

19:54:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, i suspect it's more subtle than that.

19:54:43 asciilifeform: subtle bug triggered by really terrible keys?

19:54:45 asciilifeform: also possible

19:54:46 mircea_popescu: there's a long tradition of "must fail to pass" bullshit seen in the wild, and allegedly not originated by nsa

19:54:48 asciilifeform: perhaps even remote exec

19:55:02 mircea_popescu: for all you know this is the magic packet required to X.

19:55:28 asciilifeform: somebody wanna copy cryptome on this ?

19:55:59 mircea_popescu: im letting things settle for a day and plan to write a follow-up.

19:56:01 mircea_popescu: !up referredbyloper

19:56:02 asciilifeform: speaking of which, mega-l0l (unrelated) - http://cryptome.org/2015/05/william-mcneilly.pdf

19:57:02 asciilifeform: 'This contains references to CB8890: The instructions for the safety and security of the Trident II D5

19:57:02 asciilifeform: strategic weapon system. I'm sure all the Strategic Weapon System (SWS) personnel are scratching

19:57:02 asciilifeform: their heads and wondering how I'm writing this on my personnel laptop and referencing a book,

19:57:02 asciilifeform: which is contained within a safe in the Missile Control Centre (MCC). The MCC is the

19:57:02 asciilifeform: compartment used to control the launch of the nuclear missiles. It can only be accessed by people

19:57:02 asciilifeform: on the access list, and no personnel electronics are allowed. I was on the access list but how could I

19:57:02 trinque: asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/1XXN25S.txt << nothing too crazy

19:58:02 asciilifeform: have gotten a copy of every single chapter on to my phone? A hidden camera? No. Smuggled the

19:58:02 asciilifeform: book out then filmed it? No. What I did was walk into a room were no recording devices are

19:58:02 asciilifeform: allowed. I sat down; took my Samsung Galaxy SII (white) out of my pocket, and recorded the entire

19:58:02 asciilifeform: book word for word. I held the phone still, about a foot in front of my face and anyone who looked

19:58:02 asciilifeform: at the screen or used common sense, would've seen I was recording. There were other SWS

19:58:02 asciilifeform: personnel in the room; in the video you can see a SWS JR about 3 feet in front of me talking to

19:58:02 asciilifeform: another SWS JR sitting right beside me.'

19:58:14 mircea_popescu: lol.

19:58:19 mircea_popescu: so do they actually work ?

19:58:37 asciilifeform: trinque: neat

19:58:43 asciilifeform: trinque: consider contacting the maintainers

19:58:51 mircea_popescu: !up rororo

19:59:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no idea how genuine the text, but riotously funny

19:59:22 trinque: asciilifeform: yeah I'll bother the ebuild guy for this

20:02:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: http://dpaste.com/00YX117 << plain txt

20:03:06 mircea_popescu: trinque is this like the only bit of c code deployed without stdint ? i wonder if he had a reason

20:03:06 asciilifeform: ^^ recced to all. hilarious turd

20:04:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, i know of no better proof that the "atomic weapons not actually militarily useful" than this sort of perennial wank.

20:05:01 trinque: mircea_popescu: seems it might've worked against an older glibc

20:05:11 trinque: which perhaps implicitly included that?

20:05:22 trinque: I know not.

20:05:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/tard.png << glorious fan mail

20:06:56 trinque: lol?!

20:06:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform useless without sender field ; uninteresting if it's anything but sam altman

20:07:13 mircea_popescu: i'd have added "or one of his harem slaves" but iirc he's a twink

20:07:57 mircea_popescu: but since we're doing random anon lulz, https://8ch.net/btc/res/33.html#187

20:08:57 mircea_popescu: !up referredbyloper

20:08:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: going by the style, it's our old phriend, mr spam

20:08:57 asciilifeform: post on loper-os.org updated to include tard.png

20:08:57 trinque: ye gods the autism

20:08:57 ben_vulpes: that's some top kek

20:09:03 asciilifeform: buysometime42@gmail.com

20:09:08 asciilifeform: throwaway

20:09:13 mircea_popescu: how the system can?t pass tests to show it could?ve launched ha!

20:09:15 mircea_popescu: !up tuxforce

20:10:15 ben_vulpes: gotta be ninjashogun

20:10:46 asciilifeform: the sheer mental breakage required to waste one's time so.

20:11:24 asciilifeform: in other news, we got another.

20:11:35 ben_vulpes: "Not known to me -> No." << omg

20:13:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu you have mail.

20:16:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/#comment-114220 << republished it jic

20:17:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this new one's a dev too.

20:17:09 asciilifeform: check him out

20:17:09 mircea_popescu: 9. for crying out loud, NOT EVEN SINGLE USE.

20:17:10 asciilifeform: well, 3

20:17:19 mircea_popescu: this, if indeed reflective of an implementation error, shows an entirely different bug

20:17:26 asciilifeform: incidentally, this is consistent with 'cosmic rays'

20:17:26 mircea_popescu: you should check to make sure yo udon't use the same prime TWICE

20:17:39 asciilifeform: a number with flipped bit is likely to be divisible by smallint

20:18:12 trinque: lol, article's at #28 now with way more points than those above

20:18:44 trinque: there are older articles with fewer points above

20:21:09 mircea_popescu: doubleplusungood article!

20:22:52 mircea_popescu: what i don't get is, how exactly you reproduce this ? i can't seem to make sks server to accept extra, unsigned subkeys from anyone.

20:23:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this one's another 'invalid subkey...'

20:23:08 mircea_popescu: moreover, the way it presents the blob is as a single, shares pgp key blob

20:23:53 mircea_popescu: so can anyone get a key server, no matter which, to somehow swallow up an extra subkey for an existing key ?

20:24:05 asciilifeform: evidently

20:24:09 mircea_popescu: how ?

20:24:16 asciilifeform: the entire blob, notice, as per rfc2440/4880, is not in any way hashed

20:24:24 mircea_popescu: so ?

20:24:29 asciilifeform: the way you do it is 1) take existing 2) feed in place of old

20:24:41 asciilifeform: it will update, because - evidently - there is no mechanism whereby the update would be rejected.

20:24:52 mircea_popescu: i must be doing something wrong then

20:27:20 trinque: and articles are moving around it, yet it stays where it's pinned

20:27:26 trinque: #1 -> #20 -> #28

20:27:28 trinque: hilarious

20:27:44 mircea_popescu: "We are at war, with a new kind of enemy. The terrorists have infiltrated every nation on our planet." tsk tsk now how would will mcneilly know this.

20:28:17 mircea_popescu: trinque it is pretty lulzy.

20:29:41 BingoBoingo: What a fucking morning to sleep in !!! Digesting Convos around Phuctor's discovery and writing up some news.

20:30:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00028283 = 6.3071 BTC [-]

20:31:17 asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561595

20:32:17 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol you slept with lady luck eh ?

20:32:17 asciilifeform: l0l reddit broken

20:32:27 mircea_popescu: aww, links beleeted again ?

20:32:37 asciilifeform: nah just overload

20:33:14 asciilifeform: i expect it'll all be memory-holed shortly.

20:33:21 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, downside of sleeping in is I missed a timely annoucement of keys shattering. On the plus side Am I reading it right, that the pattern seems to be various sorts of strongset people have these weak keys, almost exclusively?

20:33:33 asciilifeform: after folks start going 'snore, it's just another gnu dev with b0rk3d key'

20:33:58 mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/8dQXf https://archive.is/couZ1 https://archive.is/0CuN2 if anyone gives a shit at some point

20:36:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a few folks appear to have bit-corrupted keys on sks

20:36:58 trinque: I'm about as amazed with how rapidly the various "news" sites can respond to this

20:36:58 trinque: by respond I mean bury

20:36:58 asciilifeform: (nothing, afaik, has been signed publicly with them)

20:36:58 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the official story seems to be that keys got accidentally.

20:36:58 asciilifeform: accidentally gnu devs aha

20:36:58 BingoBoingo: But this accidentally seems to mostly affect a certain kind of person

20:36:58 mircea_popescu: so far at least.

20:36:58 mircea_popescu: trinque within the hour. not so terribru.

20:36:58 asciilifeform: #2 is small change

20:36:58 asciilifeform: (though he programs)

20:36:58 asciilifeform: #1 and #3 - not so much

20:36:58 asciilifeform: their factor-counterparts, i do not yet know

20:36:58 asciilifeform: but of them, there are also 3.

20:44:12 asciilifeform: any student could build 'phuctor'

20:44:32 asciilifeform: (distributed not in the 'faster' sense - it cannot be - but the 'remove single juicy target' sense)

20:44:46 asciilifeform: oughta be part of ordinary keyserv practice.

20:44:48 mircea_popescu: people dun wanna werk tho.

20:45:06 mircea_popescu: people wanna sperg all day on "social media" and "attract investors".

20:45:31 asciilifeform: those aren't people.

20:45:32 trinque: seems this is actually glibc fuckery re: dieharder

20:45:38 asciilifeform: trinque: ??

20:45:41 mircea_popescu: Zoe Quinn is the role model, dumbass made a "game" that wouldn't have passed muster in the early sierra adventure games

20:46:47 trinque: asciilifeform: unistd.h uses intptr_t within, yet does not include stdint.h

20:47:10 asciilifeform: trinque: i've run into this kind of thing on several occasions.

20:47:15 asciilifeform: not yet sure what to make of it.

20:47:32 trinque: "whatever used this also had an include for stdint.h so who cares" ?

20:48:39 *: asciilifeform meatspace break, bbl

20:48:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://blog.hboeck.de/archives/872-No,-nobody-has-factored-a-4096-bit-RSA-key.html if you care.

20:50:25 trinque: "I assume they are produced by network errors, harddisk failures or software bugs. It may also be that someone just created them in some experiment."

20:50:27 trinque: ahahaha

20:50:34 *: trinque purchases bulk tinfoil

20:50:58 mircea_popescu: !up stevko_

20:51:28 mircea_popescu: trinque imagine if "network errors, harddisk failures" worked this way.

20:51:44 mircea_popescu: it'd stop warez dead in its tracks, seeing how you couldn't watch any movie or anything.

20:52:02 mircea_popescu: but yes, software bugs. now that we got to software bugs...

20:54:32 mircea_popescu: !up beautyon

20:56:03 mircea_popescu: the instructor said don't touch anything. A crew member responded by saying ?it doesn't matter none of it works anyway, you can touch what you want.?

20:56:04 mircea_popescu: bwahgaha

20:56:55 danielpbarron: >> There is a service called Phunctor where you can upload a key and it'll check it against a set of known vulnerable moduli.

21:00:31 trinque: now #93 lol

21:00:35 *: trinque is done watching that

21:00:44 trinque: criminals everywhere.

21:01:22 mircea_popescu: i updated the article to lulz a little at the ydumbinator crew

21:03:33 trinque: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531268

21:04:33 trinque: guy sends me to go bother whoever can fix glibc

21:04:33 trinque: and I will, if only as an exercise in whether it's actually possible to get something fixed in glibc

21:06:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00027823 = 2.8797 BTC [-]

21:08:37 ben_vulpes: "Someone handed you an ebuild, and you don't know what to do with it? Fear not, for here be instructions!" << docs with a dash of humor

21:09:55 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134624 <<< i'll defer to BingoBoingo for this story, i sorta grasp the situation but not really enough to do a story justice

21:09:55 assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 16:10:13; mircea_popescu: achtung BingoBoingo cazalla : phuctor broke a rsa.

21:10:18 mircea_popescu: !up prx

21:10:49 prx: thx mircea_popescu

21:10:50 mircea_popescu: trinque we were looking for someone to fix glibc earlier too

21:10:57 mircea_popescu: for the libnss debacle.

21:11:18 mircea_popescu: there is theoretical support, but in practice the lists seem dead and i have nfi who can even undertake that beast of a task

21:11:20 prx: just wanted to see myself what's up here with those insane broken keys

21:11:31 mircea_popescu: prx log's in the topic.

21:11:56 prx: mircea_popescu: yep, thx. I'll stay here forlivestuff, if that's fine with you guys

21:12:13 trinque: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549754

21:13:13 trinque: tragedy of the commons; everyone fucks glibc and no one pays her medical bills

21:13:13 mircea_popescu: prx sure

21:13:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135377 < if this were the case i should also be able to replace your key with mine. doesn't seem that works tho

21:13:39 assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 20:24:41; asciilifeform: it will update, because - evidently - there is no mechanism whereby the update would be rejected.

21:14:03 mircea_popescu: prx are you getting flooded btw ? some people complaied.

21:15:10 prx: mircea_popescu: Not yet, will yell if it pops up.

21:15:40 mircea_popescu: been some internet tough guy months ago "destroying us" by flooding noobs, but i had thought he gave up meanwhile.

21:16:08 prx: So you're on someones hatelist :)

21:16:37 mircea_popescu: ah, plenty of people.

21:17:07 ben_vulpes: the more the merrier...

21:17:52 prx: Having the right enemies might be more interesting than having the wrong friends

21:18:14 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters sec waxman

21:18:16 gribble: Interacting with fiat institutions, a guide on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/; The SEC asked this Romanian Bitcoin CEO for private data to probe ...: https://ihb.io/2014-03-20/news/sec-asked-romanian-bitcoin-ceo-private-data-response-4087; MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges ...: (1 more message)

21:18:22 mircea_popescu: can start there lawls.

21:20:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134581 << amusingly enough, that 0.02 is obviously the house. nobody took the opposing side.

21:20:14 assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 14:42:17; mats: i loled. 1.08btc on 0.02btc

21:20:35 asciilifeform: omfg the idiocy.

21:20:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's post all 3

21:20:48 asciilifeform: so we can put the 'cosmic rays' folks to rest.

21:21:57 mircea_popescu: the wicked may never rest.

21:26:37 mircea_popescu: win ?

21:26:38 mircea_popescu: !up alphonse23_

21:26:49 alphonse23_: thanks

21:27:36 mircea_popescu: aha. who're you ?

21:27:41 alphonse23_: I came because of the 4096-rsa article

21:27:59 mircea_popescu: aite.

21:28:34 alphonse23_: mostly curious why HN would care to hide the story?

21:28:46 alphonse23_: but from the article it was reported here.

21:28:53 davout: re the bitbet, this guy had it: "So I can still drop bad keys on purpose? Or key had to be added before announcing this bet?"

21:28:59 trinque: alphonse23_: interesting, eh? it plummeted from #1 very strangely

21:29:05 mircea_popescu: graham, altman &co are butthurt because we regularly mock their "venture capitalism" ? i dunno

21:29:08 mircea_popescu: !up tcrypt

21:29:19 alphonse23_: HN has changed a lot in the pass few months

21:29:28 alphonse23_: it's a lot more heavily moderated

21:29:44 alphonse23_: i've been going there daily for years, and I've noticed the change

21:29:46 mircea_popescu: davout that bet promises to be a conundrum to resolve.

21:29:51 davout: no shit

21:30:31 alphonse23_: but this, the mod manipulating titles -- for whatever reason. There's ton of down voting too.

21:30:51 alphonse23_: it's like, their in league with the NSA now or something...

21:30:57 mircea_popescu: eh, their site, they can do whatever they please.

21:31:03 mircea_popescu: i don't personally use it.

21:31:18 davout: the bet was misworded from the beginning, had someone intentionally created a set of shitty keys and fed the to the phuctor, it would resolve as yes

21:31:43 davout: the title diddling on HN is documented in the comments actually

21:31:52 mircea_popescu: the conundrum is more along the lines of "what constitutes a key"

21:32:38 mircea_popescu: alphonse23_ anyway, the mistake here is for members of the public naive enough to imagine conde nast / ycombinator / etc sites represent anything but the alt-reality their owners have a financial interest in.

21:32:49 davout: that's the easy part i think "anything recognized as such by asset's favorite gnupg version"

21:32:49 trinque: this guy's making me write a test program to fix an include in glibc

21:32:51 mircea_popescu: they will farm said naive members of the public for free content, yes.

21:32:51 trinque: lol

21:32:54 mircea_popescu: but that's as far as it goes.

21:32:59 trinque: it's plainly visible looking at the header itself

21:33:12 mircea_popescu: davout then i suppose it's not broken yet ?

21:33:43 davout: mircea_popescu: well, if i craft a key whose factors are 1 and 3, theoretically it's a valid gpg key

21:33:56 davout: if i then submit a key whose factors are 3 and 5

21:34:09 davout: phuxxored they are, to yes the bet should resolve

21:34:19 mircea_popescu: !up joshbuddy

21:34:26 mircea_popescu: davout yes, had you done it afore the bet i guess.

21:34:28 alphonse23_: mircea_popescu: but to do it so openly, how does that not hurt them.

21:34:40 davout: mircea_popescu: right, the bet does specify the number of moduli to test

21:34:55 joshbuddy: hiya, just hanging out after reading the hilarious rsa key blog post by .. umm you

21:34:56 mircea_popescu: alphonse23_ whom has heardbleed hurt ?

21:35:00 alphonse23_: so where the hell do I get my tech news from. Reddit? they Y combinator owns them too.

21:35:04 mircea_popescu: joshbuddy enjoy.

21:35:22 mircea_popescu: alphonse23_ once gossipd is done, i guess there.

21:35:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47155 @ 0.00028062 = 13.2326 BTC [+] {3}

21:36:43 alphonse23_: "MQTT broker in golang" first time hearing about it

21:37:28 mircea_popescu: !s gossipd

21:37:28 assbot: 103 results for 'gossipd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gossipd

21:38:15 mircea_popescu: alphonse23_ an ad-interim solution is of course variety. there's qntra doing bitcoin news. there's 8chan doing all sorts of things.

21:38:30 mircea_popescu: the man of one book, like the man of one site, is never too close to truth

21:39:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134618 << seeing how the factors so far have been 3, 7 and 11... i imagine all the truely bad keys will be in one of those (possibly most/all of those) groups

21:39:54 assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 15:59:46; adlai: jurov: yes, at least two keys need to have a primer in common. had phuctor run over the keys in reverse order, it would've found the other chump first

21:40:47 alphonse23_: sure. it just a shame. hacker news was a real gem back in the day. I'm sure it's inevitable, as things become more mainstream, they get too political, and less honest. Now I have to go out a find good honest news from somewhere underground.

21:41:02 deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] lords of cascadia - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/17_lords-of-cascadia.html

21:42:02 ben_vulpes: september forever

21:42:02 mircea_popescu: just the way that goes.

21:42:54 ben_vulpes: <gabriel_laddel> I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes. << i'm on this minimal time workout kick lately

21:44:06 ben_vulpes: put 20lbs of bricks in backpack, bike to 'mountain', park bike at base of tabor (http://www.communitywalk.com/map/list/394038?order=0), brick up stairs twice, roll back to office

21:44:20 ben_vulpes: got it down to 35 minutes.

21:44:45 mircea_popescu: sounds like you're a pashtun training for marriage

21:44:51 mircea_popescu: (the kidnapping 13 yo bride part)

21:45:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35574 @ 0.00028595 = 10.1724 BTC [+] {2}

21:46:45 ben_vulpes: i thought that was a family activity

21:47:05 ben_vulpes: (because malnutrition?)

21:47:19 ben_vulpes: http://www.ap-linux.com/ << why does this need to be its own distro?

21:48:19 mircea_popescu: other than because some she-geeks are cute and people try to hit on them with "hy babyy i r maek distro" ?

21:52:53 ben_vulpes: DreadKnight: how's the game coming?

22:01:22 trinque: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549754 << specific incantation that breaks the glibc headers

22:03:54 ben_vulpes: i'm getting the impression with gentoo that i should copy the dieharder source into mydiehardfork overlay and then emerge mydiehard fork - how wrong is this?

22:04:19 trinque: ben_vulpes: probably faster than waiting for a glibc fix :^)

22:04:32 ben_vulpes: lol yeah that's indeed the conclusion i came to

22:04:39 trinque: yeah that's right, put your own hand-carved ebuilds in your local overlay

22:05:05 *: trinque brb

22:09:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47990 @ 0.00027705 = 13.2956 BTC [-] {2}

22:15:16 jurov: jus' looking on code path that produces the "invalid subkey binding" message, found this:

22:15:23 jurov: http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=blob;f=g10/sig-check.c;h=fc5e1fa41ac6d4414bbc2ffa3ffc695b02d70749;hb=be136273454532d94a955fbbcfa1544b47cad954#l609

22:16:23 jurov: /* does this make sense????? */

22:16:24 jurov: not implying anything, only found the commnt lulzy

22:17:48 mircea_popescu: !up zlrth

22:18:02 mircea_popescu: looking in there is the right thing jurov so props.

22:18:10 mircea_popescu: http://blog.fefe.de/ < i think this guy was here earlier ?

22:19:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00027703 = 10.4025 BTC [-]

22:19:10 mircea_popescu: "Proudly made without PHP, Java, Perl, MySQL and Postgres"

22:19:28 ben_vulpes: confirmed for being in over my head with overlays

22:19:36 mircea_popescu: also Heilige Schei?e has a nice ring to it.

22:27:38 ben_vulpes: so is qntra not writing up the gpbacle?

22:28:05 mircea_popescu: iirc BingoBoingo is working in it

22:29:59 mircea_popescu: copypaste any idea why https://8ch.net/btc/res/183.html#183 yields a 404 when one clicks reply ?

22:30:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/#comment-114226 "Because Phuctor shows me an Internal Server Error when I try to test a key."

22:32:06 ben_vulpes: !up DreadKnight

22:32:09 ben_vulpes: there ya go

22:32:23 DreadKnight: yey, cheers

22:32:39 DreadKnight: usually too lazy to do the whole thing manually

22:33:06 DreadKnight: regarding the game, polishing documentation and preparing some a crowd funding

22:33:13 DreadKnight: if I secure a bit of cash, things will run smoothly

22:33:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561547 << check it out, people were doing lectures at stanford about phuctor, omitting to mention phuctor.

22:34:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00028352 = 1.5027 BTC [+]

22:34:53 mircea_popescu: i'm looking forward to all the gavin lectures about the perils of larger blocksizes. also at stanford.

22:35:22 mircea_popescu: pushed by someone with... a keybase.io account.

22:35:25 mircea_popescu: because ofcourse.

22:35:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00028602 = 11.4122 BTC [+]

22:36:14 mircea_popescu: bitrated.com/zmanian/ << there's even a chump wot and everything

22:36:20 mircea_popescu: no doubt, ALSO lectured about at stanford.

22:36:23 mircea_popescu: also made in march

22:36:26 mircea_popescu: also etc etc etc.

22:40:50 ben_vulpes: DreadKnight: whaddaya need the funding for? i thought you wrote the thing yourself.

22:41:37 mircea_popescu: !up Humean

22:41:48 trinque: ben_vulpes: pssh, those sweet office chairs with 5-way lumbar support for one

22:41:53 Humean: woah neat i feel special

22:41:59 Humean: thanks assbot

22:42:07 ben_vulpes: trinque: keep laughing, you'll be renting a desk soon

22:42:40 trinque: ben_vulpes: oh don't misunderstand, I am a big fan of the 5-way lumbar support

22:42:42 ben_vulpes: we rearranged the deck chairs last week, place feels almost like humans and not nerds

22:42:47 trinque: fancy

22:43:00 trinque: and I hear there's not one cat on the premises

22:43:08 ben_vulpes: NO FUCKING CATS.

22:45:37 ben_vulpes: !up evhan

22:45:50 mircea_popescu: aite ima be out for a while. laters.

22:46:07 mats: http://nypost.com/2015/05/17/al-sharptons-daughter-sues-city-for-5m-after-spraining-ankle/

22:47:07 evhan: ty ben_vulpes

22:47:07 ben_vulpes: what brings you by, evhan?

22:47:57 evhan: Mention on loper-os, swung by out of curiosity.

22:48:18 DreadKnight: ben_vulpes, didn't coded the gameplay, it's a bit above my skill level; anyway, even if I did 100% of the thing, would still need funding

22:49:39 ben_vulpes: serenissima runs on slave labor

22:50:33 DreadKnight: the republic of Venice?

22:51:31 DreadKnight: the project gets small contributions constantly, but when it comes to bigger stuff, people tend to vanish at about 90% progress xD

22:54:49 ben_vulpes: that last 10% is more expensive than anyone ever expects

22:56:59 DreadKnight: there's sure something strange going on when it comes to the last few steps

22:57:38 ben_vulpes: why would people work on it for free?

22:57:59 DreadKnight: we have a saying around, going something like "you drawn like the gypsy near the shore", meaning overall that you failed in the last few steps

22:59:19 DreadKnight: well, there are quite a few reasons, crediting (name/link), experience, the joy of contributing to something bigger just to name a few

23:00:28 DreadKnight: the other day found out that a cg animation series done in blender by just one dude used quite a few of the creatures from my project :)

23:00:40 ben_vulpes: heh

23:00:52 decimation: there are clearly people on hacker news who are enemies of #b-a

23:00:59 DreadKnight: the project itself is free, so this stuff is allowed provided crediting is done

23:01:19 decimation: that hboeck link is top on hn now

23:01:53 trinque: decimation: fancy that eh?

23:01:54 ben_vulpes: DreadKnight: i thought the thing was supposed to make money?

23:02:33 trinque: decimation: got there quick too

23:03:32 ben_vulpes: !up DreadKnight

23:03:47 ben_vulpes: lol

23:03:49 DreadKnight: xD

23:03:58 DreadKnight: even if something is free, it can still make money

23:04:18 decimation: I thought ninjashogun was one of the h-n mods?

23:04:20 DreadKnight: gmail is free and makes money, same goes for games like league of legends, soon even world of warcraft

23:04:25 ben_vulpes: decimation: in his dreams

23:06:03 ben_vulpes: DreadKnight: every single one of those companies pays their employees.

23:06:35 ben_vulpes: people working for a link or publicity need to have some sort of assurance that their time so spent is going to yield a return.

23:06:49 ben_vulpes: (i mean, everyone does, right? for every thing that we do.)

23:07:10 trinque: DreadKnight: doing the ad-supported thing is a loss leader at best; you have to be able to burn money until your audience is large enough to merit being paid for the # of eyeballs

23:08:30 DreadKnight: ben_vulpes, a return is not always needed, some people do things for passion or practice; there are quite a few nice free open source games out there and software, most likely the browser you are making is done half by unpaid contributors

23:08:49 DreadKnight: trinque, the ad crap is my last option

23:09:18 ben_vulpes: i'm just trying to point out why you're having problems retaining horsepower is all

23:10:03 ben_vulpes: just because she doesn't care about her boyfriend around that other guy doesn't mean diddly when it comes to your desire to get up her skirt

23:10:04 DreadKnight: ben_vulpes, yeah, I'm aware, that's why it's perfectly fine to pay people to work on open source and it's why I need some funding or get better at coding

23:11:04 DreadKnight: anyway, I partnered up with a coder this year, will see how that goes in the long run

23:11:27 williamdunne: >Forget MPEX. The best/most reliable stock exchange is, by far, BTCT.CO.

23:11:36 ben_vulpes: !up pete_dushenski

23:11:40 ben_vulpes: good afternoon, pete

23:12:20 pete_dushenski: afternoon ben_vulpes !

23:12:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52450 @ 0.00028602 = 15.0017 BTC [+]

23:12:43 ben_vulpes: following the key drama?

23:12:50 pete_dushenski: and a big pacific howdy from the coast !

23:12:59 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes indeed. just catching up on it.

23:13:14 decimation: pete_dushenski: where are you at? vancouver?

23:13:17 pete_dushenski: i tested and re-tested my key a *few* times already

23:13:26 pete_dushenski: decimation even better : victoria

23:13:36 ben_vulpes: ah vbc is byootiful

23:13:47 ben_vulpes: ferry's fucking expensive, though.

23:13:50 decimation: yeah I've been through there, I wouldn't mind going back

23:13:55 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes ya not cheap eh

23:14:12 ben_vulpes: well, en velo...

23:14:17 ben_vulpes: on?

23:14:28 ben_vulpes: how would i say "on bike" in french?

23:14:38 pete_dushenski: decimation it's quite the place. not quite summer here yet tho. still only 16-18C during the day.

23:14:49 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes sur velo ?

23:14:56 pete_dushenski: no, par velo

23:15:00 pete_dushenski: "by bike"

23:15:03 ben_vulpes: davout:

23:15:32 pete_dushenski: "sur" is too literal of a translation from english, "par bicyclete" even.

23:16:52 decimation: I don't think it ever gets too hot there?

23:16:59 decimation: the pacific moderates

23:17:04 mxtm: pete_dushenski: spanish uses en for "by" in cases of transportation

23:17:12 mxtm: which translates "in/on"

23:17:18 mxtm: fwiw

23:17:33 decimation: https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/872-About-the-supposed-factoring-of-a-4096-bit-RSA-key.html#comments < heh the hboeck guy admits he doesn't really know of which he speaks

23:18:33 pete_dushenski: en carro, sure.

23:18:33 mxtm: en bici, etcétera

23:18:33 pete_dushenski: mxtm aha. sounds like anglocization but what do i know.

23:18:34 mxtm: i dunno either

23:19:32 pete_dushenski: decimation who's the hboeck guy again ?

23:20:41 *: pete_dushenski checks logs.

23:21:06 trinque: pete_dushenski: the guy who ended up top comment on the HN post

23:21:09 trinque: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560790

23:22:09 pete_dushenski: ahaha mr. "i'm almost certain"

23:24:16 williamdunne: I'm pretty sure the internet was invented for two purposes, selling drugs and pretending to know stuff you don't

23:24:28 williamdunne: Anything outside of that is just abusing the tech

23:27:06 decimation: asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561764 < lol you butthurt the mr. spam mod

23:28:06 pete_dushenski: williamdunne except... the internet sucks for drugs. mp has an ancient essay on the matter.

23:28:06 decimation: pete_dushenski: mircea's 'story' on hacker news was quickly demoted to well below visibile for most folks

23:28:07 williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Wasn't the first transaction ever completed on the internet the purchase of weed?

23:28:11 decimation: meanwhile this guy (hboeck) has a post that pretty much says "nothing to worry about", and is promoted to #1

23:28:23 pete_dushenski: williamdunne http://fraudsters.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/

23:29:24 pete_dushenski: decimation lulzy.

23:29:24 pete_dushenski: williamdunne the first transaction was knowledge, no ?

23:34:24 williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Trade then

23:34:27 williamdunne: Okay

23:34:39 williamdunne: Read the article, and I still don't see how that makes it bad for the last mile

23:35:02 williamdunne: Obviously 10 tonnes of cocaine isn't going to be carried by FedEx

23:35:54 ben_vulpes: for one, fedex doesn't hire its submersibles out yet

23:36:08 ben_vulpes: people aren't even supposed to know those exist

23:39:53 pete_dushenski: williamdunne i really have nfi what the first trade was. if you say it's weed, we'll go with that, but that doesn't mean that first=best

23:40:12 williamdunne: Very trye

23:40:13 williamdunne: *true

23:40:30 williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Family friend is working on something kinda cool for the other side

23:40:41 williamdunne: Well, owns the company doing it

23:40:50 ben_vulpes: what does "kinda cool" mean

23:40:57 ben_vulpes: last mile delivery?

23:41:25 williamdunne: Its a line of speedboats that can go underwater on command without any real preparation to collect drugs dropped from boats

23:41:31 williamdunne: For the coast guard to stop drug smugglers

23:41:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57850 @ 0.00028602 = 16.5463 BTC [+]

23:41:43 williamdunne: Disagree with the cause, but pretty cool project IMIO

23:41:47 ben_vulpes: excellent bezzletron

23:42:01 ben_vulpes: won't work, wrong target etc

23:42:17 ben_vulpes: but if they're draining derpbuxx from the beast more power to 'em

23:42:22 williamdunne: Government contracts don't need to work

23:42:40 ben_vulpes: and moreover cannot actually.

23:42:42 ben_vulpes: !up pete_dushenski

23:42:55 pete_dushenski: cheers ben_vulpes

23:43:15 ben_vulpes: ;;$(sleep 3600 && echo "!up pete_dushenski")

23:43:16 gribble: Error: "$(sleep" is not a valid command.

23:44:18 pete_dushenski: you tried !

23:44:27 *: ben_vulpes shrugs

23:44:43 ben_vulpes: > gribble is not a tty. falling back to telnet.

23:54:20 jurov: *gribble on fire

23:54:56 ben_vulpes: !up pete_dushenski

23:55:10 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes thx!

23:55:15 ben_vulpes: de rien

23:56:11 pete_dushenski: fuckin pawn brokers in this town i tell ya

23:56:25 ben_vulpes: ?

23:56:38 pete_dushenski: you'd swear they were trying to keep their inventory for their grandchildren

23:56:52 deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] how to process bitcoin transactions for your webapp (or: the ghetto watch-only-wallet) - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/17_how-to-process-bitcoin-transactions-for-your-webapp-or-the-ghetto-watch-only-wallet.html

23:57:52 pete_dushenski: so i walk into a shop on the edge of chinatown and find a beautiful mid-century modern walnut table

23:57:52 pete_dushenski: complete with two leaf inserts. perfect height (tall), in good condition, only $270 !

23:58:05 pete_dushenski: so i want to ship it home, naturally.

23:58:10 pete_dushenski: no can do, they tell me.

23:58:39 pete_dushenski: all they have are cardboard boxes, no freight boxes, no shipping relationships in place, no arrangements can be made.

23:59:25 pete_dushenski: honestly, there are thousands of cruise ship tourist visiting victoria daily, and these assderps haven't figured out shipping a box 1,000km IN THE SAME COUNTRY

23:59:37 pete_dushenski: no customs, no duty, nothing complicated.

23:59:54 pete_dushenski: just basic frieght is too complicated for these people.