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00:00:10 mthreat: they mix it with coke

00:00:14 mircea_popescu: it has to be a drink first.

00:00:26 mircea_popescu: !up buanz0

00:00:28 mircea_popescu: hey there.

00:00:34 buanz0: hi everyone

00:00:45 BingoBoingo: mthreat: Describe this fernet

00:00:46 mircea_popescu: so you gotta reg your id with gribble.

00:00:53 mircea_popescu: it'll give you a challenge and then you're part of the cool kids

00:00:56 buanz0: fernet is a herbal bitter that argentines love

00:01:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/kdf2hV5.jpg << 10k words.

00:01:49 mircea_popescu: that's the central fernet factory

00:01:51 mthreat: BingoBoingo: hmm. it's a italian aperitif, I believe. Not very good by itself.

00:01:55 buanz0: i will do that later, just popping in for a quick WASSSSSUUUP per your request, mircea_popescu

00:02:00 mircea_popescu: coolness.

00:02:11 mircea_popescu: so buanz0 is a jiffy/audacity dev guy

00:02:11 buanz0: it is awesome by itself, you just need to be non-unitedstatian

00:02:20 buanz0: :P

00:02:26 mthreat: apparently the hipsters in SF are big on fernet right now

00:02:28 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ack, mthreat At their best bitters of any sort are a garnish, not a drink of themself.

00:02:48 buanz0: you might remember that Alfred from batman forever drinks fernet :P

00:02:56 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ill give them ths much tho , you can order strega in most cafes and they'll have it.

00:03:11 mthreat: BingoBoingo: an italian told me that in italy they drink it like a medicine

00:03:14 mircea_popescu: haven't tried galliano and other herbal shit, but anyway

00:03:35 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot

00:03:36 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user assbot: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 10 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014

00:03:40 mthreat: so i guess it's the equivalent of drinking robitussin

00:03:45 buanz0: i drink it as a stomach med

00:03:46 mircea_popescu: buanz0 ^ check it out, 1st link.

00:03:53 mircea_popescu: i betcha you've never seen a wot this cool before :D

00:04:21 mircea_popescu: <mthreat> so i guess it's the equivalent of drinking robitussin << ok, i can see that.

00:04:51 buanz0: i have seen some pretty weird stuff, mir

00:05:02 mthreat: mircea_popescu: actually, a place you might like is one of the "secret" speakeasys

00:05:14 mircea_popescu: mthreat aite, so let's go sometime.

00:05:17 mthreat: deal

00:05:40 mircea_popescu: i was telling buanz0 about their bdsm party and he was all like... omg when's the next one.

00:05:55 mircea_popescu: then i told him he'll have to talk the wife into going naked, he visibly softened.

00:06:32 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Strega's nice. mthreat buanz0 If you want to robotrip just drink the tussin. Unless you have unfortunate genetics at CYP2D6 you'll survive a bottle.

00:06:51 mircea_popescu: is this some pseudoephedrin cocktail ?

00:07:00 buanz0: LOL

00:07:01 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, dextromorphan

00:07:05 mircea_popescu: ew

00:07:45 buanz0: I distill absinth myself.

00:07:52 buanz0: still, not my kind of poison

00:08:17 BingoBoingo: Usually there's only a little vomitting. I've only had the experience thrice before surrendering to it being unpleasant in spite of the right genetics.

00:08:17 buanz0: naked wifes only in summer

00:08:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18999 @ 0.00082077 = 15.5938 BTC [-] {2}

00:08:35 moiety: absinth is what has created my wtf nights

00:08:40 mircea_popescu: buanz0 it's heated.

00:08:43 buanz0: good for you.

00:08:45 benkay: <mircea_popescu> so til argentina has no national drink // fernet!

00:08:49 mircea_popescu: by animal means.

00:08:54 benkay: it comes in big gulps at the big clubs

00:09:00 buanz0: the national drink is a herbal infusion known as mate

00:09:02 buanz0: Mate

00:09:03 mircea_popescu: benkay rtfl

00:09:09 benkay: no u

00:09:27 benkay: i have a bag of mate in the cupboard

00:09:33 benkay: CAN YOU TELL I LIKED IT?

00:09:35 mircea_popescu: what do you do with it ?

00:09:37 buanz0: yeah, our national drink means "to do it" in english. we frikin rule :P

00:09:53 benkay: buanz0: who are you??

00:09:58 mthreat: mircea_popescu: ever notice people walking around with a big thermos and a small silver cup with a silver "straw"?

00:10:00 buanz0: ask mircea

00:10:02 mircea_popescu: (also, funny story : i visit friend, she's not there, i decide to make tea. i make tea, i taste it, ittastes like shit. eventually i get bored and leave.

00:10:07 benkay: mircea_popescu: who's buanz0

00:10:11 buanz0: good

00:10:12 mircea_popescu: she calls me later "hey, did you boil some catnip at my place ?!"

00:10:12 buanz0: :P

00:10:53 moiety: epic lol

00:10:58 mircea_popescu: me "ow shit, that's why it tasted like shit. i thought you kept tea in the cupboard"

00:11:09 benkay: moiety: i read something you wrote earlier as "5-speed manul"

00:11:10 mircea_popescu: her "fuck i spent an hour trying to figure out how this happened"

00:11:19 mircea_popescu: mthreat yep

00:11:26 BingoBoingo: moiety: I like absinthe, but on ice. None of that sugar cube stuff. Don't want to become another Diabeetus 'Murican.

00:11:53 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im seriously considering a dolce-de-leche only diet for conference

00:12:00 mircea_popescu: gotta offer guests the best!

00:12:19 mircea_popescu: <benkay> buanz0: who are you?? RTFL omg!

00:12:21 moiety: lol benkay! what have i done to you all in here?! manuls ingrained :D

00:12:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: As long as the beef accompanies it.

00:12:49 mircea_popescu: dolce de leche beef... hmm...

00:12:55 moiety: BingoBoingo: never had it on ice. i need the sugar or it's so harsh to me

00:13:02 mthreat: conan discovers mate, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DJACP0LytY

00:13:02 assbot: Conan O'Brien Drinking Yerba Mate - YouTube

00:13:18 moiety: that was originally because of laudenum though, the sugar cube, wasn't it?

00:13:34 buanz0: BingoBoingo: I like my absinth with good iced water, depending on the kind of absinth I might add a bit of sugar. the cube thing is just for show.

00:13:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You know the restaurants ther would serve it...

00:14:07 moiety: i thought they dripped laudenum onto the cube and dropped it in the absinthe

00:14:16 buanz0: some do. i dont care.

00:14:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34489 @ 0.00081986 = 28.2762 BTC [-] {3}

00:14:39 BingoBoingo: moiety: Too much sugar in the booze leads to booze sweats in the morning.

00:14:41 buanz0: i've done my fair bit of distilling and brewing to know how i like to drink :P

00:14:50 moiety: sorry

00:15:21 buanz0: it all comes down to the different recipes out there, check out www.absenta.cl

00:15:40 BingoBoingo: I might just switch to grain alcohol and distilled water. Purity of essence for the win.

00:15:56 buanz0: LOL

00:16:23 moiety: i have a 5 gallon brown demi john and a 1 gallon clear one. i want to start making my own things.

00:16:29 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> mircea_popescu: You know the restaurants ther would serve it... << ya prolly

00:17:14 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you can just drink the medicinal alcohol here. i know, cause i tried it. cue "ok, that is by FAR the most ghetto thing I ever saw you do" from floored assistence

00:17:47 buanz0: ok everyone, off to cook. it's 9.17pm in .ar - my nick will be buanzo, mircea knows how to get in touch with me. cya.

00:18:13 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly the most valuable part of my college education was learning which 40 oz bottle of Malt liquor were palatable.

00:19:05 BingoBoingo: King Cobra, probably the best fermented beverage in the US.

00:19:23 mircea_popescu: mthreat but you know, national drink in the sense of how romanians have tzuica and scotts scotch.

00:19:53 BingoBoingo: http://www.40ozmaltliquor.com/archive/kingcobra.html

00:20:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.000817 = 18.8727 BTC [-] {2}

00:20:46 mthreat: mircea_popescu: ah ok. when i google "argentina national drink" it says mate. I think the national drink is peronism

00:21:04 mircea_popescu: eva ?

00:21:16 mthreat: ya

00:21:22 BingoBoingo: Don't cry for me... Argentina

00:21:35 mircea_popescu: i wonder if given a choice to drink marylin or eva who'd people pick

00:21:36 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0F4Y94N.txt )

00:21:36 BingoBoingo: !b 5

00:21:57 BingoBoingo: Prolla Eva

00:22:14 mircea_popescu: personally i think i'd prefer the yankee.

00:22:16 mircea_popescu: she was hippy

00:23:22 BingoBoingo: The dark hair and ridiculous lipstick on a girl do it for me.

00:24:09 mircea_popescu: this should be informative tho : both of them spent their teenage years whoring.

00:24:32 BingoBoingo: Indeed, and both rose to astounding success in their whore specialties

00:24:42 mircea_popescu: seems the one thing a woman can do to make sure she won't be remarkable, or remembered, is stay in school as a teenager.

00:25:23 BingoBoingo: They can prolly stay in school, they just can't date.

00:26:41 BingoBoingo: They whore successfully on their own of whore for a master. Classes can be taken around that.

00:27:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37200 @ 0.00081672 = 30.382 BTC [-] {2}

00:28:09 *: BingoBoingo says this a someone who tried to start a blackboard vs. whiteboard flamewar.

00:28:21 mircea_popescu: ya what was that al; about

00:28:44 *: asciilifeform blackboard << always wondered if mathematicians ever die of 'white lung'

00:29:01 mircea_popescu: moiety thaty looks like a mini

00:29:10 BingoBoingo: Whiteboards just don't work, and having been drinking since about... 1PM mircea_popescu time... I supposed aspects of bingo University.

00:29:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chalk dust or toluene, pick your embalming technique

00:29:30 benkay: ;;later tell buanzo nice to meetcha

00:29:31 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:29:47 *: asciilifeform picks graphite

00:29:55 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: to my knowledge common chalk minerals are readily digested by the lungs... Electronics and chalk are another matter.

00:30:09 mircea_popescu: pankkake: and the all bitcoin wallets? is an outright lie. << consider the source. the guy doesn't readily know which hole his piss comes out of .

00:30:48 moiety: mircea_popescu: :D they were based on minis and the other little coupes of the time

00:31:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: common chalk minerals << your chalk isn't CaCO3?! do we even want to know?

00:31:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2251 @ 0.00081664 = 1.8383 BTC [-]

00:31:57 Apocalyptic: heh

00:31:57 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When I had access to chalkboards I used a caco3/caso4 mix, whiter lasted longer.

00:32:05 mircea_popescu: "snort recycled chalk. it's great for your lungs and interesting for speologists, too!"

00:32:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 86192 @ 0.00009999 = 8.6183 BTC [+] {4}

00:33:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: http://28ri4j3anx8g2wfod51alicjuaw.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/top-8-people-having-a-bad-day-.1.jpg << ok that was a lol.

00:33:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I also can't be arsed to make a Fiverr account. << yeah i kinda need fiver type of things but can'r be arsed either.

00:34:11 mircea_popescu: jurov you willing to open your fiverr to the chan ? or who was it that had one, mike ?

00:34:12 BingoBoingo: -assets problems

00:34:27 BingoBoingo: Maybe fluffypony

00:34:33 BingoBoingo: ?

00:34:39 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: shits weak << he has you there bb.

00:36:12 BingoBoingo: Yeah

00:36:58 BingoBoingo: Still, I think the matriculation test is a valuable idea.

00:38:11 BingoBoingo: By the time a person takes it they are too late to reconsider another institution so after a year of shoveling shit they either get their act together or die.

00:39:38 mircea_popescu: what matriculation is that ?

00:39:59 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Into the freshman class or the subfreshman class.

00:40:02 BingoBoingo: http://valleywag.gawker.com/delusional-ceo-says-google-punishes-successful-l-a-com-1591678622/+laceydonohue

00:40:03 assbot: Delusional CEO Says Google Punishes Successful L.A. Companies

00:40:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for miners ? who gives a shit, they're bricks in a year anyway << not necessarily. let's gedankenexperiment. picture scenario where the two or three remaining producers ship... sabotaged ic. (take your pick - timed self-destruct, perverted algo with collusion of 'dev' folks, etc.)

00:40:42 mircea_popescu: uh ok...

00:40:42 asciilifeform: old hardware - suddenly worth something. at least temporarily.

00:41:46 nubbins`: right on! so this local arts newspaper wants to do a spread on pink eye for their july issue

00:41:56 mircea_popescu: hey good for you

00:42:04 nubbins`: tyvm, pictures & everything

00:42:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda improbable.

00:42:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo dredging up VAXen also seemed improbable just a few years ago.

00:43:15 mircea_popescu: no bit look

00:43:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed it did, but nao....

00:43:39 mircea_popescu: the "value" of the sabotage is high. to expect an agent to do a high value thing just so YOU can capture its benefits...

00:43:46 mircea_popescu: obviously if they do that, they have a bullet for you, too.

00:44:14 mircea_popescu: rarely will someone kill the queen to die to the bishop as it were

00:44:59 BingoBoingo: Happens, but you need at least two bishops for checkmate.

00:45:18 asciilifeform: i'd even dare to guess that the much-hyped ic fab diddling does indeed take place - but through...

00:45:25 asciilifeform: ... diddled toolchains.

00:45:32 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo happens in constrained spaces

00:45:35 mircea_popescu: not so much in open

00:45:44 asciilifeform: nobody's gone over tape-out mask with a magnifying glass since when, '85 ?

00:46:01 asciilifeform: think: variation on the ken thompson theme.

00:46:06 mircea_popescu: right

00:46:09 asciilifeform: yereaditherephurst (tm)

00:46:17 mircea_popescu: nobody has a clue what's in their toolchain anyway

00:46:23 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If you wipe out the other pieces two bishops and a king can mate a king. actually works better with less clutter on the boardd.

00:46:30 mircea_popescu: it could secretly hum ave maria very quietly for all anyone knew

00:47:05 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by open i mean, a situation that doesn't have a fixed border at the 8th column, ora fixed nuymber of pieces and no generators etcv

00:47:34 asciilifeform: likewise: if the toolchain is diddled on the manufacturer's (golden master copy) end, you can own multiple (all?) ic producers.

00:47:49 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In that case you aren't playing chess, but instead a more interesting game.

00:47:53 asciilifeform: the monoculture in engineering software puts microshit to shame

00:48:02 mircea_popescu: yup

00:48:07 mircea_popescu: (to both of you)

00:48:20 asciilifeform: afaik this has been discussed - nowhere.

00:48:36 *: mircea_popescu whistles... nowhere but here baby, for if you make it here

00:48:40 mircea_popescu: you make it... everywhere

00:48:45 asciilifeform: lol

00:48:59 BingoBoingo: afaik asciilifeform HN and the aggregators banned you for a reasons...

00:49:13 mircea_popescu: fud?

00:49:19 asciilifeform: spamz

00:49:26 asciilifeform: spud?

00:49:53 BingoBoingo: Seekrits... FPGAs as user interactive platforms.

00:50:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00081655 = 30.1307 BTC [-] {2}

00:51:02 BingoBoingo: All of a sudden any user makes their own wildly incompatible bedrocks.

00:51:04 asciilifeform: betcha all the current btc asic houses use, e.g. 'synopsys'

00:51:17 BingoBoingo: Shhhh....

00:51:35 mircea_popescu: actually this could be a pretty decent haxxor project

00:51:47 asciilifeform: even more fun than the traditional compiler infector.

00:51:49 mircea_popescu: "hijack the fab toolchain"

00:51:52 asciilifeform: (yes they're still extant)

00:52:06 BingoBoingo: It's what Gov-hash.io would do.

00:52:58 mthreat: dumb mining question: is electricity the biggest cost these days? If so, has anyone set up an operation in a locale with cheap (possibly subsidized) electricity?

00:53:31 mircea_popescu: not the biggest cost, but a relevant factor ; yes.

00:53:48 BingoBoingo: mthreat: The biggest mining cost has always been the opportunity cost.

00:54:08 asciilifeform: picture: silicocalypse, and just chuck moore left standing.

00:54:11 mthreat: BingoBoingo: that's why I haven't pursued mining

00:54:14 asciilifeform: (he's got his own end-to-end chain)

00:54:18 mthreat: mircea_popescu: argentina has subsidized electricity, i believe

00:54:25 mircea_popescu: so does china

00:54:26 mthreat: mircea_popescu: partially subsidized, i mean

00:54:51 mthreat: ok. I figured folks were already all over that.

00:55:11 mircea_popescu: the one thing that may make a datacenter feasible is having someone trustworthy to oversee it

00:55:23 mircea_popescu: that's an unbeatable service, pretty much everyone is shady as fuck

00:55:25 mircea_popescu: see cex.io etc

00:56:45 BingoBoingo: Cex.io is going to cause much more butthurt than Gox ever could and it was promoted by the same tards.

00:57:02 kakobrekla: was it ?

00:57:22 mircea_popescu: well, it was promoted also by a set of tards that promote everything

00:57:28 mircea_popescu: so in thatsens

00:57:29 mircea_popescu: e]

00:57:38 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I'm talking on the low end. Last summer.

00:57:59 BingoBoingo: At its birth Cex has derps by the ISIS truckload.

00:58:08 kakobrekla: i dunno. the asset they trade only goes down.

00:58:42 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so clearly it's bvetter than all other investments. stop trolling :D

00:58:56 kakobrekla: kk

00:59:34 BingoBoingo: Nasty honest...

01:00:18 BingoBoingo: Where the consistent loses are merely club dues.

01:01:19 mircea_popescu: the death of critical thinking in school curricula has inter alia resulted in this mass of idiots who will think they're important and meaningful no matter what.

01:01:33 mircea_popescu: which in turn creates a class of guys selling them participation.

01:01:47 mircea_popescu: someone should make the club of "responsible people that keep the sun rising"

01:02:09 mircea_popescu: and you know, collect 20 bux a week in exchange for equipment these idiots "use" to make the sun keep rising

01:02:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16257 @ 0.00081604 = 13.2664 BTC [-] {2}

01:03:23 BingoBoingo: Well, people still need to buy participation in the form of fraudsters credits to keep up with the cool kids. The bottom of the class will never understand the distinct difference in value returned.

01:04:12 mircea_popescu: if all it took weresome tcredits to make someone smart...

01:04:42 BingoBoingo: It doesn't work. I tried throwing around fraudsters cookies when TF's coinchat was a thing.

01:05:05 mircea_popescu: orly ?!

01:05:36 BingoBoingo: Yeah, people kept buying cex inspite of the PMB article.

01:06:41 mircea_popescu: lolk

01:07:17 BingoBoingo: This goes into the distinction between mike_c and TheNewDeal trying to buy into my no bet against the same hard boundaries and only one of them speaking a language I could agree to.

01:09:12 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Wanted to purchase exactly what the bet could underwrite. TheNewDeal wanted something better. Even if mike_c's payment would have been lower it was infinitely more attractive because the bet could underwrite itself.

01:10:32 mircea_popescu: ic

01:11:56 BingoBoingo: The Coinchat tard were largely forum tards for whom the forum could not burn their money fast enough. And without and option to remotely fry their retinas I had no stick with which to educate them.

01:12:37 BingoBoingo: They could not understand Cex.io was a PMB with greater risk to themselves.

01:14:06 mircea_popescu: lol

01:15:53 BingoBoingo: Also so many people fell for other idiots pitches where they were making asics in their garage. It was a nightmare.

01:16:01 moiety: This hasn't changed. You can explain until you are blue in the face. People do not want to listen/learn.

01:16:31 BingoBoingo: On the plus side though people would do anything for a bitcent.

01:16:52 mircea_popescu: kinmda how i feel about substance abuse

01:17:05 mircea_popescu: you can tlel people anything you want, they're still gonna imagine drugs are cool mkay

01:17:43 BingoBoingo: Yeah.

01:17:57 *: moiety nods

01:18:13 mircea_popescu: it's all a case of "hey dawg, we heard you like endorphins so we put more endorphins in your endorphins so you can space out while you';re spacing out"

01:18:20 mircea_popescu: gl getting it through.

01:18:38 moiety: i have given up trying

01:20:02 BingoBoingo: Casualty of if you can you must http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/hall-of-famer-tony-gwynn-dies-at-54-after-cancer-battle?ymd=20140616&content_id=80040976&vkey=news_mlb

01:20:02 assbot: Hall of Famer Tony Gwynn dies at 54 after cancer battle | MLB.com: News

01:22:12 BingoBoingo: Honestly I doubt anything could end civilization faster than booze without the hangover, but then... You see those opiates collapsing US civilization.

01:23:16 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually romanian booze doesn't give you a hangover

01:23:22 mircea_popescu: just a pleasant mellow th next day

01:23:34 mircea_popescu: that's why we never amount to anything

01:23:47 BingoBoingo: That would eplain your dissatisfactions with Timisoara's direction

01:23:55 mircea_popescu: how so ?

01:24:20 BingoBoingo: If getting fucked up has no consequences no one appreciates the danger of it.

01:24:44 BingoBoingo: And no one does anything because they can painlessly numb away their failure.

01:25:19 mircea_popescu: a, their drink up around there is kinda shitty.

01:25:36 mircea_popescu: sorta like you know, "new hampshire moonshine"

01:25:53 BingoBoingo: Ouch

01:26:57 mircea_popescu: ok the rosenblatt article is quite lulzy

01:27:06 mircea_popescu: While Demand Media went public for a blistering $2 billion in 2011, its articles were largely useless, with titles ranging from "How to Boil Water" to "How to Turn on a Mac Computer." Google, in an effort to serve up quality content to its users, dropped Demand's articles down in the search results. The company's traffic plummeted and its shareholders were left researching "How to Write Off a Worthless Stock."

01:28:14 BingoBoingo: I think at my lowest points I made a couple tanks of gas off of them. Stopped because their editorial policies made anything useful impossible.

01:28:34 mircea_popescu: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070820011514AAt4rlU

01:28:35 assbot: Am i pregnent???? please help me....?

01:29:25 kakobrekla: chill the fuck down assbot, you are not.

01:29:50 mircea_popescu: lol win.

01:29:56 decimation: I watched "Elysium" on the redeye back from hawaii last night. Steve Sailor's review nails it: http://takimag.com/article/elysium_neill_blomkamp_fools_the_critics_again_steve_sailer

01:29:57 assbot: Elysium: Neill Blomkamp Fools the Critics Again - Taki's Magazine

01:29:59 mircea_popescu: what have been doing with the assbot kako ?

01:30:04 peterl: so I was reading the fraudsters about the D series

01:30:15 peterl: essentially it is naked shorting derps?

01:30:16 moiety: lmao @ "if he spirmed in you"

01:30:32 mircea_popescu: peterl yea

01:30:48 peterl: and how does that squash them?

01:30:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9534 @ 0.00081584 = 7.7782 BTC [-] {2}

01:30:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10022 @ 0.0001 = 1.0022 BTC [+]

01:31:02 mircea_popescu: that's complicated.

01:31:24 peterl: I figured. is there a simple way to understand it?

01:31:39 BingoBoingo: Complicated in the same way that earned Amphoteracin the nickname Amphoterrible.

01:32:05 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell BingoBoingo you should do some pharacology posts

01:32:06 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:32:23 peterl: And if they never list their company publicly, you just get to keep the money?

01:33:00 peterl: What happens if they sell out to a big company instead of listing?

01:33:20 mircea_popescu: peterl perhaps. suppose some guy comes to your town and starts seelling bottled water as "magical healing elixir"

01:33:37 mircea_popescu: for 95 a bottle.

01:33:43 mircea_popescu: now suppose 7/11 down thestreet from him sees this and puts up an ad : "same thing. 75c"

01:34:05 peterl: so people buy from 7-11

01:34:17 mircea_popescu: kinda makes it difficult for the shills pretending to be buying from the guy.

01:34:44 mircea_popescu: because now they are actually going against sanity, much like the "havelock users" that somehow "bought" the re-ipo, briefly at 200% averages

01:34:57 mircea_popescu: the rent re-ipo*

01:35:15 peterl: but doesn't derp have infinite hitpoints?

01:35:28 mircea_popescu: problem with these deals is that they're not for derps.

01:35:30 BingoBoingo: peterl: Derp lacks infinite money.

01:35:51 mircea_popescu: that's the whole selling point of a series a : "buy before the masses"

01:36:16 mircea_popescu: if anyone can have it, for cheaper, you can't sell more.

01:36:21 peterl: ah, so this is a way to make money off the endless stream of derps?

01:36:42 mircea_popescu: if you can't sell more, and even if you have good reason to suspect you won't be able to sell more, you have no furhter reasopn to even try

01:36:47 mircea_popescu: not like you're in it for reals anyway.

01:37:08 mircea_popescu: no. this is a way to expose the usg agents trying to push bitcoin a certain way.

01:37:55 peterl: do you expect people to actually buy shares from you, or will it just be a way to expose the sham they are running?

01:38:29 mircea_popescu: i expect anyone who actually thinks one of the things is worth money to buy from me first, yes.

01:38:34 mircea_popescu: kinda how economics work.

01:38:50 kakobrekla: (in theory)

01:39:05 mircea_popescu: no, it's actually how economics work in practice.

01:39:35 peterl: but buying from you does not get capital to the people who would make it work

01:39:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, it exposes the hostile agents to a hard case of the "either stupid or evil" dilemma.

01:39:50 mircea_popescu: it does, sure.

01:40:46 decimation: presumably the 'founders' who believed in their company would buy shares too

01:41:20 BingoBoingo: decimation: If they need capital why would they buy shares?

01:41:32 mircea_popescu: no but there's no difference between avoiding a debt and making a gain. inasmuch as the offer is there, it's indifferent who you buy from. if you buy from me you prevent someone else from doing so, who will in turn have to buy from the "Founders"

01:41:45 mircea_popescu: economy is still a zero sum game, and you don't actually have political directionality.

01:41:46 kakobrekla: i guess we shall see about the practice part.

01:42:34 peterl: BingoBoingo: if they had capital, why would they be selling shares?

01:43:04 decimation: I think bingo means why would they buy D series from mircea

01:43:12 BingoBoingo: decimation: No.

01:43:29 BingoBoingo: peterl: You didn't quite hit the contrapositive of my position.

01:43:43 peterl: I don't think I meant to?

01:44:12 Mats_cd03: decimation: elysium's production value was incredible. props from peter jackson's failed halo movie made it into elysium, like the flying machine

01:44:32 BingoBoingo: peterl: Because your construction is silly. How much capital has Armandi raised for no purpose.

01:45:03 peterl: So you are saying they would raise capital and then use it to buy D shares?

01:45:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1106 @ 0.00081727 = 0.9039 BTC [+]

01:45:27 mircea_popescu: i suppose that could yield them a profit.

01:45:33 BingoBoingo: peterl: No, you are trying to add context absent from my proposition.

01:45:56 asciilifeform: they could also saw off their own limbs and roast them. save on food cost for their startup.

01:46:02 mircea_popescu: so apparently bitcoind has a serious problem with moving timezones

01:46:16 decimation: mats: heh yeah you are right. I think he was trying to convey several points: 1.) half measures don't work - shoot down the third world shuttles when they invade 2.) democracy turns to decadence - too weak to hold the allodial rights to a domain

01:47:36 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I kind of though that was part of the MP attitude towards building certain ideas. If you lack the captital to not roast your leg and can't ask for money, you eat yourself.

01:47:49 mircea_popescu: "Then he got to her essay. As he remembers it, she mentioned a French teacher she greatly admired. She described their one-on-one conversation at the end of a school day. And then, this detail: During their talk, when an urge to go to the bathroom could no longer be denied, she decided not to interrupt the teacher or exit the room. She simply urinated on herself."

01:49:08 Mats_cd03: yeah and for fucks sake audit your code so the peasants dont ruin elysium

01:49:09 decimation: lol re: college admissions - it's also well known that putting something like "future farmer of america" or "boy scout" or "rotc" (high school junior military "club") greatly reduces the probability of admission

01:49:37 decimation: mats: yeah that's the other point - if the "logic" of your computerized government system is reprogrammable, you've fucked up

01:49:52 mircea_popescu: boy scout ?! why ?

01:49:56 mircea_popescu: not gay enough anymore ?

01:50:11 asciilifeform: the wrong gay

01:50:17 BingoBoingo: decimation: My Eagle scoutness did not adversly affect my admissionness to undergrad.

01:50:25 asciilifeform: (as outlined in mp's essay on the subclasses)

01:50:25 decimation: did you go to an ivy league?

01:50:53 BingoBoingo: decimation: No, incentive for such was insufficient.

01:51:02 mircea_popescu: lol so then you don't count

01:51:07 BingoBoingo: Fattest person on the team hit a triple https://twitter.com/LangoschMLB/status/478714633327349760

01:51:08 assbot: Matt Adams now tied for the /hashtag/stlcards?src=hash team lead with three triples.

01:51:11 decimation: well, basically going to ivy league is religious indoctrination

01:51:21 decimation: so it's not suprising that they only select the non-heretics

01:51:25 mircea_popescu: ima brb.

01:51:38 BingoBoingo: decimation: I went to a Methodist college, but... Methodism isn't a real religion anyways.

01:52:05 decimation: Methodism has backslid into general liberal derpiness

01:52:41 BingoBoingo: decimation: No, it just realized its only potential value is a a social club

01:52:51 BingoBoingo: Derpiness comes later

01:53:31 decimation: if you discount Christianity's assertations about the nature, I would agree with you

01:53:44 decimation: "the nature" being the natural and the supernatural

01:54:55 BingoBoingo: decimation: You have to realize what I say about methodism is purely as an outside observer.

01:54:56 decimation: asciilifeform: re: engineering toolchain - I wonder if Intel's toolchain suppliers have ever experimented with "enhancements"

01:55:26 decimation: the motive, means, and opportunity are there

01:56:29 BingoBoingo: I remember when AMD fucked their compilers by cribbing Intel

01:57:17 decimation: some of intel's performance libraries will refuse to work on AMD hardware, unsurprisingly

01:58:06 BingoBoingo: Right, even though ideally the same instruction sets are implemented.

02:00:09 decimation: re: elyisum (from steve sailor's review): "Elysium originated in a disastrous visit to Mexico in 2005. While shooting a Nike commercial in lovely San Diego, the Boer crossed the border one evening to see Tijuana, where he was abducted by corrupt Mexican cops who shook him down for $900 in return for not killing him."

02:00:46 decimation: the genius thing is that he got the critics to rave that he was writing a movie about Obamacare

02:01:19 decimation: "Art, from the Great Pyramid on down, is actually about the most talented and/or self-confident bullying the rest of us into furnishing them with the resources to realize their visions, while the nice liberal dweebs pass on to us the artists? self-serving justifications."

02:03:52 moiety: i've made a start to the wiki bot commands list with assbot, i'll finish gribble tomorrow. mod6 and i working on atcbot soon. totally wiped out, night all :]

02:04:02 Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats

02:04:05 gribble: Current Blocks: 306237 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 194 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 30 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13315704078.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.26199

02:06:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.00082386 = 27.3933 BTC [+] {2}

02:10:55 benkay: <peterl> essentially it is naked shorting derps? // <mircea_popescu> peterl yea // how does this square with your recent pronouncements against naked shorting?

02:17:01 benkay: Mats_cd03: you could always do spv on ios

02:17:03 benkay: (hue)

02:17:52 TheNewDeal: praise the hashgods, the bitcoin network is strong once again

02:20:07 benkay: prase the handjobs!

02:20:14 BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/how-tony-gwynn-cracked-baseballs-code-and-became-a-lege-1591491368

02:20:15 assbot: How Tony Gwynn Cracked Baseball's Code And Became A Legend

02:20:40 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: You have to realize there is plenty of time for... externalities

02:20:56 TheNewDeal: there was, the window is increasingly tightening

02:21:40 TheNewDeal: literally about 13 days for something drastic to happen

02:22:05 BingoBoingo: And what was this weekend? We could have a full blown pool war.

02:22:21 TheNewDeal: didn't seem to slow the hashrate

02:22:47 Mats_cd03: benkay: im going to push some bit-c eventually, just a matter of time

02:22:48 BingoBoingo: For a while ~50% of the hashrate was out of the game.

02:23:05 TheNewDeal: huh?

02:23:23 TheNewDeal: when did this occur

02:23:33 BingoBoingo: The Ghash.io DDoS

02:24:00 Mats_cd03: er bit-c code, dropped a word.

02:24:49 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: It wasn't a long thing, seemed like a strong warning.

02:25:00 Mats_cd03: ecdsa+gpg signing, gpg-agent, coin selection is what im working on

02:25:31 TheNewDeal: yah I was going to say, the sipa chart doesn't show much of a bump http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth-10k.png

02:26:26 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Looked like a warning shot. I imagine actual violence comes later.

02:26:52 Mats_cd03: 95% of my time has been consumed by reading ncurses docs. drives me mad

02:26:54 BingoBoingo: Also there's the part where this bet has me sweating.

02:27:04 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Embrace it.

02:27:26 *: BingoBoingo plays FFVII, about to fuck up Wutai

02:34:01 Mats_cd03: benkay: i forget exactly what it was you wanted. tx ids and a json api?

02:40:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 62 @ 0.0665643 = 4.127 BTC [-] {10}

02:48:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.0008216 = 6.2852 BTC [-]

02:55:24 mircea_popescu: benkay:

02:55:24 mircea_popescu: <peterl> essentially it is naked shorting derps? // <mircea_popescu> peterl yea // how does this square with your recent pronouncements against naked shorting? << division by 0 is a problem, 0 divided by 0 is not.

02:56:26 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03:95% of my time has been consumed by reading ncurses docs. drives me mad <<< ahaha heard this before

03:00:03 mircea_popescu: ahaha get a load of this

03:00:03 mircea_popescu: Michele Hernandez, another prominent admissions counselor, runs one or more sessions of an Application Boot Camp every summer in which roughly 25 to 30 kids will be tucked away for four days in a hotel to work with a team of about eight editors on what she told me were as many as 10 drafts of each of three to five different essays. The camp costs $14,000 per student. That doesn?t include travel to it, the hotel bill

03:00:04 mircea_popescu: , breakfast or dinners, but it does include lunch and a range of guidance, both before and during the four days, on how students should fill out college applications and best showcase themselves.

03:00:07 mircea_popescu: Hernandez, Jager-Hyman and others in the booming admissions-counseling business

03:00:14 mircea_popescu: booming ? fucking scam, 15k for nothing.

03:00:32 mircea_popescu: ?Admissions officers pay as much attention to students? choice of essay topic as they do to the details in their essays,? Motto told me.

03:00:42 mircea_popescu: i'd be fucken surprised if anyone ever read one of those things

03:01:25 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> Mats_cd03:95% of my time has been consumed by reading ncurses docs. drives me mad <<< ahaha heard this before << at least ncurses has docs... unlike gnome

03:01:39 Apocalyptic: <Megalomania> when we go into space, real estate prices on earth will crash

03:01:39 Apocalyptic: <Megalomania> poor people will live better

03:01:56 Apocalyptic: what shit can people come to these days...

03:05:01 mircea_popescu: lol

03:05:32 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo gnome prolly doesn't actually exist at all

03:05:38 mircea_popescu: just an insider joek

03:06:49 BingoBoingo: I'm starting to think that to an extent people can find use for Desktop environments over windowmangers, Xfce may be where it is at.

03:08:31 BingoBoingo: Actually has decent separation of things.

03:21:07 mircea_popescu: !up napedia

03:21:22 mircea_popescu: ;;rate napedia 1 I got a fan.

03:21:24 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user napedia has been recorded.

03:25:00 asciilifeform: gnome!?

03:25:38 *: asciilifeform must've woken up in 2002

03:26:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 15k for nothing << surprisingly few people are aware of an interesting scam the 'ivy' unis run

03:26:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they make it virtually impossible for a kid to flunk

03:27:35 mircea_popescu: i bet they do

03:27:35 asciilifeform: (various means. sometimes direct diddling of grades, some even abolished grading for first years; many methods)

03:27:46 asciilifeform: while in public unis, at least in hard sciences, 40-50% flunk

03:27:56 mircea_popescu: once they got a sucker theyd rater not lose it

03:28:15 BingoBoingo: SLAC ends tend to be the same but the means are subtler than Ivys as always

03:28:19 mircea_popescu: a uni program that doesn't shed 50% is dubious on its face

03:28:32 mircea_popescu: you just can't get such a good measure of kids coupla years post puberty

03:28:34 asciilifeform: so now you know one of the services they provide.

03:28:45 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> a uni program that doesn't shed 50% is dubious on its face << pretty much

03:28:46 asciilifeform: guaranteed max grade

03:29:13 asciilifeform: but in order to provide this service, they must maintain the illusion of 'we only recruit True Genius!'

03:29:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but it's max grade from the forum's investor grading thing. A+++

03:29:28 asciilifeform: precisely this one

03:30:06 mircea_popescu: yes but economy has the same age old problem : it's real. once i know that ivy league predicts non-competence im not hiring them anymore.

03:30:14 mircea_popescu: signals be signals, all i need is to know what they mean.

03:30:26 asciilifeform: the next stage of pipeline for the ivy kids (employment, either directly in .gov, or the many quasi-private arms of the ussa hydra) follows the same formula.

03:30:35 asciilifeform: i.e. hire the folks with the yale '4.0'

03:30:48 asciilifeform: it's a kind of smaller 'komsomol'

03:31:01 mircea_popescu: exactly how the chinese ended up ruled by manchuku, too.

03:31:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu knows history, cannot be surprised

03:31:54 decimation: mircea: except the job of the ivies is to prepare someone to coddle USG for a living

03:34:12 BingoBoingo: See. I imagine a solution to this problem. Matriculation exam and a subfreshman class aspiring to not shovel shit the next year.

03:34:28 bitstein: ;;rate napedia 8 Close friend from Austin, TX BTC meetup. Wicked smart. Lots of privilege.

03:34:29 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 8 for user napedia has been recorded.

03:34:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what problem. the 'patient' is 100% microzoa by weight at this point.

03:35:02 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine gnome is one of those abandonware projects like gnash people flock to merely for their existence

03:35:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'he' needs - not antibiotic - but proper burial.

03:35:44 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The mercy problem. They have 1 year to study before becoming the shit they shovel.

03:35:58 asciilifeform: [insert obligatory mit battery film]

03:36:02 asciilifeform: ;;mitbattery

03:36:03 gribble: Error: "mitbattery" is not a valid command.

03:36:15 BingoBoingo: ;;google mit battery

03:36:16 gribble: Batteries | MIT News Office: http://newsoffice.mit.edu/topic/batteries; Liquid Metal Batteries - Group Sadoway: http://sadoway.mit.edu/research/liquid-metal-batteries; Saying goodbye to batteries - MIT: http://web.mit.edu/erc/spotlights/ultracapacitor.html

03:36:25 BingoBoingo: ;;google mit battery fail

03:36:26 gribble: A123's Technology Just Wasn't Good Enough | MIT Technology ...: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/429647/a123s-technology-just-wasnt-good-enough/; Technical Innovations Help Explain Why Tesla Is Succeeding and ...: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/513151/why-tesla-survived-and-fisker-wont/; What the Tesla Battery Fire Means for Electric Vehicles | MIT ...: (1 more message)

03:36:35 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve23i5K334

03:36:35 assbot: MIT genuises with lightbulb - YouTube

03:36:37 BingoBoingo: OMG conspiracy!!!

03:37:39 bitstein: ;;rate justusranvier 8 Close friend from Austin, TX BTC meetup. John Connor of Bitcoin.

03:37:41 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 8 for user justusranvier has been recorded.

03:37:42 decimation: re gnome: I wonder why Redhat continues to favor gnome - it seems KDE is far more professional for a "desktop environment"

03:37:45 asciilifeform: related: http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/decline.htm

03:37:46 assbot: Why I am Not a Professor

03:37:54 asciilifeform: ^ recommended reading. british, but generally applicable.

03:38:53 decimation: ascii, as long as USG is able to keep the bezzle going - joining the bezzle wot is going to be profitable. Ivies are the traditional entrance to the bezzle wot

03:39:12 asciilifeform: decimation: not a secret. only throwing some light on the mechanics.

03:39:30 decimation: right, the question is merely guessing when the machine explodes, and how to hide

03:39:43 bitstein: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Great blog, presides over great #bitcoin-assets group. Very welcoming.

03:39:44 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.

03:40:37 decimation: examining the details is interesting though. Here's a USG employee who was actually "fired" - and he named names: http://www.spacenews.com/article/civil-space/40868nasa-heliophysics-director-fired

03:40:38 assbot: NASA Heliophysics Director Fired | SpaceNews.com

03:41:02 decimation: "?I believe that the problems in the Heliophysics Division are dominated by the continuing actions of Dr. Madhulika Guhathakurta,? Chenette wrote. ?By her actions she chooses not to work as a member of the Heliophysics Division team. More than any other person she has been an unusually divisive and polarizing presence in the heliophysics community.?

03:41:55 asciilifeform: at least they didn't plug him

03:41:58 asciilifeform: like this fellow

03:41:59 asciilifeform: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Livermore-Engineer-s-Mysterious-Death-3240466.php

03:42:00 assbot: Livermore Engineer's Mysterious Death / Investigators in the brutal slaying of Lee Scott Hall -- who found a flaw in a billion-dollar project -- are exasperated by the lab's lack of cooperation - SFGate

03:42:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17266 @ 0.0008216 = 14.1857 BTC [-]

03:42:05 bitstein: ;;rate bitcoinpete 2 Great blog, brought me into the #bitcoin-assets WoT.

03:42:07 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user bitcoinpete has been recorded.

03:42:10 decimation: where did Ms. Guhathakurta pop up in google? http://womensvoicesforchange.org/lives-of-the-stars-courtesy-of-whoopi-goldberg-madhlika-guhathakurta-ro-kinzler-and-a-cast-of-millions.htm

03:42:10 assbot: Lives of the Stars, Courtesy of Whoopi Goldberg, Madhlika Guhathakurta, Ro Kinzler and A Cast of Millions | Women's Voices For Change

03:42:41 decimation: In addition, NASA?s Guhathakurta pointed to a core philosophical theme, about the connections among the building blocks of the universe and their connection to human beings. ?People will have now seen it with their own eyes,? she said. ?And they will see that at a very deep level ? a molecular level, really ? we are all connected to each other.?

03:42:58 decimation: So, basically the guy was fired because he was put in charge of a Party member

03:43:28 decimation: and was confused when he thought his nominal job title meant anything to the way power is actually excercised

03:43:31 BingoBoingo: decimation: KDE isn't a desktop environment anymore though. It is nao a kitchen sink circle jerk. Eventually they'll make a kernel... Just you wait...

03:43:56 decimation: yeah KDE went downhill after around 3, when it was just a desktop environment

03:44:22 BingoBoingo: I like Xfce for no other reason than they basically... stopped...

03:44:33 BingoBoingo: Still, it is no CDE

03:44:37 asciilifeform: decimation: gotta understand why they threw this fellow under the bus to cover for the shaman

03:44:41 asciilifeform: nasa has problems

03:45:03 decimation: heliophysics can also have problems

03:45:09 asciilifeform: namely, it's quite close to the front of the line for the chopping block

03:45:20 asciilifeform: how to get public support? court shamans

03:45:33 asciilifeform: don't be surprised to see nasa-branded horoscopes

03:46:14 decimation: well, the current pseudoscience shamanhood appears to be the climate change wing of the party

03:46:16 asciilifeform: plenty of physics folks still getting bread ticket there. but they are taught - on what toes not to step.

03:46:25 asciilifeform: this one wasn't a quick learner.

03:46:41 decimation: as long as your obscure research "proves climate change", you will avoid "problems"

03:47:47 asciilifeform: easy target. but understand that u.s. academia is divided into pissant fiefdoms entirely like the climate chumpatron

03:47:49 asciilifeform: just more obscure

03:48:00 asciilifeform: e.g. the fusion folks

03:48:19 decimation: yeah moldbug talks about the same phenomenon in computer science

03:48:24 asciilifeform: as described, for example, here - http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/anatomy-of-a-fusion-press-release

03:48:26 assbot: Anatomy of a Fusion press release | Locklin on science

03:48:39 *: asciilifeform must have spammed the moldbug-on-cs link a thousand times

03:48:56 BingoBoingo: OMG, these chicken livers were prolly my best purchase this year.

03:49:23 BingoBoingo: 2lbs of them already fired for $3.50

03:50:03 asciilifeform: re: nasa & collapse - the very same thing happened in ussr

03:50:24 asciilifeform: physicists selling 'biorhythm' charts in bazaars to feed their children, etc

03:50:52 asciilifeform: public wants snake oil. academia - retools for snake production.

03:51:28 asciilifeform: all the 'democracy' catabolic collapse processes get thrown into high gear when the paycheques stop coming.

03:51:44 asciilifeform: thought pandering to bureaucrats sucked? try the public.

03:52:38 decimation: the mind reels. the amusing thing is that most of the "red state" enemies of the USG elite all think democracy is the best thing since sliced bread

03:52:40 asciilifeform: 'наука и жизнь' ('science & life', the russian equivalent of the - pre-90s-decay - 'scientific american') circa '91-97 was running pieces on nostradamus.

03:52:50 asciilifeform: just to keep the heat on

03:53:13 decimation: well, "popular science etc" are pretty much there today

03:53:53 asciilifeform: just remember kidz, we're all connected to each other and the universe through quantum-intestinal resonance.

03:54:01 asciilifeform: laugh now - press release later.

03:54:53 asciilifeform: decimation: the 'red' folks will get their nasa museaums, with noah's flood, etc

03:56:52 decimation: lol the scott locklin article. basically the NIF is a shrine to big engineering project meets pseudoscience

03:57:47 asciilifeform: decimation: visit any university lab in the u.s., anywhere. invite a postdoc for a drink, ask how much of what is done stands any chance whatsoever of 'working' - in the customary meaning of the word.

03:59:10 decimation: well, all of this stems from a lack of accountability and discipline. why not propose a $2bn shrine to ignorance? people in my district need jobs you know

03:59:51 asciilifeform: anything resembling 'accountability' would see the entire orchestra demolishes, the earth where it stood - salted.

04:00:16 decimation: yeah and the elites know it, even if only in the hindbrain

04:01:24 decimation: perhaps the fate of the US is to have a "russian 90's" and then see a putin-like figure arise. I kinda doubt it though, because of the intense allergy us folk have to anyone telling them what to do

04:05:27 decimation: asciilifeform: I think you wrote about how the effects of the nuke bomb were seriously hyped back in the cold war days. Here's an interesting link: http://glasstone.blogspot.com/

04:05:28 assbot: Declassified effects of nuclear weapons and other threats: minimizing weapons effects on civilians

04:05:52 decimation: it's a bit wordy, but the bottom line is that civil defense against nuclear weapons is extremely effective

04:06:10 decimation: if you get most of your population into extremely cheap bunkers quickly, very few will die

04:06:47 decimation: this is an inconvienent fact if you want to hype the bomb into a mega-weapon in order to manipulate the masses into supporting your "peace programs"

04:07:00 decimation: so - civil defense got the boot.

04:08:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.06539315 = 1.8964 BTC [-] {4}

04:13:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00082175 = 14.3395 BTC [+] {2}

04:16:59 Mats_cd03: uh and the trillions in infrastructure damage?

04:17:57 decimation: right, but the point is that a realistic nuclear attack isn't going to be much more damaging than conventional bombs if defenses are prepared

04:19:24 nubbins`: [01:04:30] <+bitstein> ;;rate napedia 8 Close friend from Austin, TX BTC meetup. Wicked smart. Lots of privilege.

04:19:33 nubbins`: ^ lel, but how many t-shirts?

04:19:54 decimation: "If you want peace, be ready for war. If you want to encourage aggressors, disarm."

04:23:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06698006 = 0.6698 BTC [+]

04:34:28 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell decimation Is our last name Teller by any chance?

04:34:29 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:52:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00082408 = 25.1756 BTC [+] {2}

04:55:49 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/top-us-patent-judge-resigns-following-ethical-breach/

04:55:49 assbot: Top US patent judge resigns following ethical breach | Ars Technica

05:00:52 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell decimation something in the long run you'l have to grapple with here is the apparent aversion people have to eating strange.

05:00:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:01:53 BingoBoingo: http://screamer.deadspin.com/there-are-no-giraffes-in-ghana-delta-1591759195/+Sean-Newell

05:01:54 assbot: There Are No Giraffes In Ghana, Delta

05:06:49 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/report-seattle-paid-17500-to-boost-online-reputation-of-city-official/

05:06:50 assbot: Report: Seattle paid $17,500 to boost online reputation of city official | Ars Technica

05:14:45 mircea_popescu: cheap.

05:15:07 mircea_popescu: the us paid ~500mn to boost online reputation of white house official.

05:15:55 BingoBoingo: lol

05:16:41 mircea_popescu: !up RedStallion

05:16:45 BingoBoingo: Malaki paid ~1200 soldiers to keep his boys in Baghdad from deserting.

05:17:02 mircea_popescu: now that's cheap

05:17:18 BingoBoingo: Historically yeah.

05:18:05 BingoBoingo: http://www.bestgore.com/execution/photo-mass-execution-iraq-soldiers-isis/

05:18:05 assbot: Photos of Mass Executions of Iraqi Soldiers by ISIS | Best Gore

05:19:12 mircea_popescu: ouch

05:20:31 BingoBoingo: It's why I'm leaning towards predicting partition.

05:21:21 mircea_popescu: i think iran will invade if that's on the books.

05:22:01 BingoBoingo: Sure, they probably take the south. The Kurds keep the productive north. Isis keeps the bullshit parts.

05:22:16 mircea_popescu: yeah, right.

05:24:59 mircea_popescu: the notion of any sort of kurdish state would require commitment to the level of 100k boots on the ground for a few years, and then ongoing support a la israel.

05:25:05 mircea_popescu: and the kurds aren't the jews, either.

05:26:03 BingoBoingo: At the moment though Iraqi Kurds have money, they actually like the hardware the US left them, and Turkey prolly wants to trim its welfare rolls...

05:26:53 mircea_popescu: it's a pipe dream

05:27:15 mircea_popescu: i'll give you even odds on kurdish holocaust vs kurdish independence any time.

05:27:58 BingoBoingo: Well, UN sort of Statehood is, but they can prolly keep this feudal de fact autonomy going a few decades. Also UN sort of statehood is on its way out.

05:28:57 BingoBoingo: So how do we spec "i'll give you even odds on kurdish holocaust vs kurdish independence any time" for BitBet?

05:29:03 mircea_popescu: and since we're discussing the war in iraq, let's debunk some common myths. the us has spent close to 2 trillion on it so far, which balloons to 7 trillion if you count interest payments, as the us is flat broke (the affair will be paid for by 2055ish).

05:29:35 mircea_popescu: this includes ~ 100k ak guns missing, about half a trillion in disappeared funds, including billions paid to known outright washington graft

05:29:38 BingoBoingo: No dispute there.

05:29:59 mircea_popescu: the revenue from iraqi oil was 5 bn in 2013.

05:30:04 BingoBoingo: I though at least a full trillion disappeared into the hole and graft...

05:30:09 mircea_popescu: that's 0.1% of the total cost, roughly speaking.

05:30:36 mircea_popescu: NOT worth it. in fact, if the usg simply invested its 7trn budget into bitcointalk "investments" the us would be ahead today

05:30:44 BingoBoingo: Bush I really should have just blessed Bin Laded keeping occupied with Saddam.

05:31:18 mircea_popescu: o yeah, and of the ~50bn spent on reconstruction (1% of total, or 10x the benefits) pretty much nothing of any use was built.

05:31:46 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that'd have required people with something other than cotton between their ears living and breathing in washington

05:31:56 mircea_popescu: however, with fuckwits a la kerry, rice or clinton...

05:33:07 BingoBoingo: It's still satisfying to say 9/11 was HW's fault

05:34:27 mircea_popescu: idont see how it'd be.

05:35:25 BingoBoingo: He could have Kept Bin Laden busy through the 90's like Reagan did through the 1980's

05:35:38 mircea_popescu: http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5384eff869bedd306fc96e9e-800-/ap53047226600.jpg << dude the white house has a skeletronizer somewhere.

05:36:01 mircea_popescu: look at that man. he went in there all plump and looking 35. a decade later he looks 60

05:36:20 BingoBoingo: I though that was just 6 years of knowing he sucks aged him.

05:36:53 mircea_popescu: maybe.

05:37:11 mircea_popescu: i dunno what can do that to a man, outside of smoking rocks

05:38:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You have to realize everything he does is the near opposite of what you enjoy and consider healthy

05:38:15 mircea_popescu: hm

05:38:34 mircea_popescu: no wonder they can't get talent.

05:38:54 BingoBoingo: Also... who are his daughters dating... That has to age him too.

05:39:22 mircea_popescu: looks like erzsebet bathory's ballet troupe. "send your girl over, we'll suck her blood and leave an empty husk within five years".

05:40:12 BingoBoingo: It happened to W. less so to Clinton because Interns.

05:41:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 634 @ 0.0008216 = 0.5209 BTC [-]

05:42:11 BingoBoingo: Hard to say if it aged Reagan or if he had a lucid moment after year 2. Cater was afraid of rabbits.

05:50:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 12401 @ 0.00031307 = 3.8824 BTC [-] {6}

05:56:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00082105 = 7.1431 BTC [-]

05:58:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7287 @ 0.00082105 = 5.983 BTC [-]

06:00:35 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Un pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1199460/responsive-documents.pdf

06:04:05 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

06:04:06 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 589.51, Best ask: 591.62, Bid-ask spread: 2.11000, Last trade: 592.1, 24 hour volume: 9550.98273248, 24 hour low: 580.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 598.225360045

06:04:10 BingoBoingo: %book

06:04:11 atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 0k@180 0k@176 0k@172

06:06:08 BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mxDSiwqM2nw


06:07:03 BingoBoingo: I'd almost venture to say based on Opportunity costs that the F-35 might have been as injurous to the US as Iraq

06:18:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2157505 = 0.863 BTC [+] {2}

06:19:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.215001 = 9.245 BTC [-]

06:20:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2125 = 0.85 BTC [-]

06:21:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.2112 = 4.224 BTC [-]

06:24:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.2113 = 3.1695 BTC [+]

06:34:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21679 @ 0.00082105 = 17.7995 BTC [-]

06:46:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.20814003 = 2.0814 BTC [-] {3}

06:59:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3721 @ 0.00082362 = 3.0647 BTC [+]

07:09:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 57 @ 0.06699998 = 3.819 BTC [+] {5}

07:17:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.2014 = 2.2154 BTC [-]

07:27:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.06700125 = 5.3601 BTC [+] {2}

07:29:57 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: it displays really weirdly here

07:30:34 fluffypony: it works, but the text is all fuzzy

07:37:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7406 @ 0.00082319 = 6.0965 BTC [-]

07:40:45 fluffypony: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Fiverr takes Bitcoin now, well worth making an account - there's so much stupid shit I've used Fiverr for it's well worth it

07:40:45 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:47:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00082336 = 18.9373 BTC [+]

08:16:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00082121 = 27.1821 BTC [-] {2}

08:24:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00082545 = 25.4239 BTC [+]

08:27:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45623 @ 0.00082049 = 37.4332 BTC [-] {2}

08:47:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.0666 = 1.2654 BTC [-] {2}

08:49:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.0666 = 1.8648 BTC [-] {2}

08:49:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00081995 = 19.2688 BTC [-]

08:52:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06646475 = 0.6646 BTC [-]

09:03:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.06514736 = 1.2378 BTC [-] {3}

09:05:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.065 = 0.65 BTC [-]

09:06:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.065 = 0.845 BTC [-] {3}

09:35:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06641553 = 0.6642 BTC [+] {2}

09:39:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00082309 = 9.4655 BTC [+]

09:45:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06500903 = 0.6501 BTC [-] {2}

09:57:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00082022 = 24.3605 BTC [-] {3}

10:08:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.06334622 = 1.7103 BTC [-] {3}

10:10:53 fluffypony: https://technet.microsoft.com/library/security/ms14-031

10:10:55 assbot: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS14-031 - Important

10:10:56 fluffypony: rad.

10:12:14 davout: fluffypony: meh, we're basically back at the time where you could nuke ppl

10:12:29 fluffypony: davout: yeah, WinNuke 2014

10:12:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 123 @ 0.020001 = 2.4601 BTC [-] {2}

10:23:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10982 @ 0.0008227 = 9.0349 BTC [+]

10:57:40 kakobrekla: http://vimeo.com/98321051

10:57:41 assbot: BE200 Immersion Test on Vimeo

10:58:08 kakobrekla: lots of bubbling.

11:13:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00081968 = 13.1968 BTC [-]

11:16:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.063301 = 0.9495 BTC [-]

11:21:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00081883 = 16.7451 BTC [-] {2}

11:27:59 pankkake: https://www.livebusinesschat.com/smf/index.php?topic=5629.0

11:28:01 assbot: Hidden message on the new sourceforge TrueCrypt site

11:33:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.063301 = 0.6963 BTC [+]

11:40:13 Mats_cd03: http://ottawacitizen.com/technology/internet/how-did-the-rcmp-crack-blackberrys-security

11:40:15 assbot: How did the RCMP crack BlackBerry’s security? | Ottawa Citizen

11:40:53 Mats_cd03: '3DES among the best in the world'

11:41:31 Mats_cd03: with 80 bits of security!!!

11:50:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31566 @ 0.00081793 = 25.8188 BTC [-] {4}

11:51:51 Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats

11:51:53 gribble: Current Blocks: 306303 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 128 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 17 hours, 27 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13307564206.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.19275

11:56:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17913 @ 0.00081789 = 14.6509 BTC [-]

12:04:39 moiety: hurro all

12:06:26 jurov: hi moiety

12:12:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00081768 = 19.2972 BTC [-] {2}

12:15:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5396 @ 0.000817 = 4.4085 BTC [-]

12:17:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44228 @ 0.0008169 = 36.1299 BTC [-] {3}

12:29:40 moiety: how are you jurov? i've not seen you for a wee bit (moving sucks btw)

12:31:01 moiety: !up Cory

12:31:07 moiety: !up ericmuyser

12:42:16 artifexd: moiety: Saw this and thought of you. http://i.imgur.com/isGXwi2.gif

12:45:28 moiety: artifexd: omg! thanks for linking me! thats my first manul gif... lol it's brilliant, can't stop chuckling :D

12:46:00 artifexd: yw

12:49:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00081904 = 17.3636 BTC [+]

12:52:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00082108 = 16.2574 BTC [+] {2}

13:05:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.0008227 = 21.5547 BTC [+]

13:10:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.20201 = 0.606 BTC [-] {2}

13:11:53 jurov: moiety i'm well, afk more often now

13:14:19 jurov: and still learning to manage people and other company/accounting intricacies

13:15:59 jurov: and becoming more lazy than ever lol :D

13:16:54 Apocalyptic: jurov, how many people do you manage out of curiosity ?

13:17:37 chetty: http://naturalsociety.com/europe-bans-american-apples/

13:17:38 assbot: Europe Bans American Apples : Natural Society

13:20:32 jurov: it depends how you define it, maybe 2-3

13:20:57 jurov: they are not employers but freelancers/partners, what makes things worse

13:21:04 jurov: (i guess)

13:21:25 Apocalyptic: jurov, I see

13:21:56 jurov: such as, i asked a designer to improve colours of coinroll logo. he made three variants

13:22:19 jurov: but upon presenting them, namworld sid he can do better and old logo was actually okay

13:22:30 jurov: so it ended up with this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650783.0

13:22:30 assbot: [POLL] Coinroll Color Scheme

13:22:50 jurov: and wao said, but wait, i ask my friend too

13:22:59 jurov: i was like arghhhhhhh

13:23:37 chetty: it is good tho to practice/learn management on little things

13:23:51 jurov: i should not have allowed such a bikeshed discussion at all

13:24:09 Apocalyptic: chetty, yeah, may come in handy when managing bigger projects

13:24:10 chetty: exactly :) important lesson

13:35:36 ThickAsThieves: New Coinbase marketing campaign: http://imgur.com/cG07rQU

13:35:37 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

13:37:51 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if document is genuine, this is likely a 'marketing scheme' for the usg blacklist crap.

13:38:22 fluffypony: lol

13:46:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 969 @ 0.0008227 = 0.7972 BTC [+]

13:47:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3831 @ 0.00082274 = 3.1519 BTC [+]

13:49:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.0633 = 1.4559 BTC [+]

14:15:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25269 @ 0.00082274 = 20.7898 BTC [+]

14:15:32 jurov: ThickAsThieves: context? what kind of buseness was that aimed to?

14:16:07 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i guess.

14:17:05 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: '3DES among the best in the world' lawl.

14:17:22 mircea_popescu: but then what's that scrape when blackberry wouldn't give its keys to some foreign, i don't recall, russia was it ?

14:17:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78700 @ 0.00082477 = 64.9094 BTC [+] {3}

14:18:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9136 @ 0.00082294 = 7.5184 BTC [-]

14:18:46 mircea_popescu: jurov: but upon presenting them, namworld sid he can do better and old logo was actually okay << hey, my vote won!

14:19:20 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655464.0

14:19:20 assbot: DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Containers

14:20:39 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: New Coinbase marketing campaign: http://imgur.com/cG07rQU <<< ahgaha what stupid retarded shit is that.

14:20:40 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:21:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if document is genuine, this is likely a 'marketing scheme' for the usg blacklist crap. << if it is it'll backfire, ppl get to learn first hand just how harmless btc actually is by telling these folk to stfu / ignoring them

14:23:51 mircea_popescu: "During years of engineering time, we have built a network of partners, resources and contacts in Asia, Europe and the USA." yet the best they could do was still havelock.

14:24:14 pankkake: Our first larger scale immersion cooled cluster consisted of 6048 Xilinx®Spartan-6 FPGAs in 24 tanks and was built in early 2012 with the Bitcoin still below $5.

14:24:27 pankkake: how many coins would that be?

14:24:52 mircea_popescu: "we of course can not offer any documentation to this claim, nor have we learned to gpg yet, because this is all very common of big ticker 2012 miners"

14:24:56 pankkake: also, why would they need to raise funds

14:25:33 mircea_popescu: "we also knew what chips bfl had sanded off in 2013 way back in 2011, which allowed us to beat them to the punch by two years but keep quiet about it"

14:25:59 mircea_popescu: "also bitcoin was under 5 in spite of us secretly doing 140% of network hash on our 6k bfl miners self-delivered early by about 17 months"

14:26:46 mircea_popescu: pankkake how many coins would that be? << the early (only) bfl delivered miners were commercial fpgas, so you know... a lot.

14:27:23 mircea_popescu: i dun recall them actually delivering 5k of the things, they had a limited supply prolly bought off some suprluss deal.

14:28:21 mircea_popescu: "The company will publish financial statements and certified audits frequently to make calculation of operating expenses transparent."

14:28:35 mircea_popescu: idjits ffs.

14:28:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 53 @ 0.0633 = 3.3549 BTC [+]

14:35:22 los_pantalones: this video says "99% electicity saved - Extremely efficient cooling"

14:35:58 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/944/ Odds: 26(Y):74(N) by coin, 26(Y):74(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.78602464 BTC. Current weight: 93,931.

14:36:15 los_pantalones: i'm no mathemagician, but that seems high

14:36:20 mike_c: ^ wtf? people think marshalls are going to dump the price?

14:36:46 mike_c: ;;ticker

14:36:48 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 596.38, Best ask: 599.5, Bid-ask spread: 3.12000, Last trade: 596.38, 24 hour volume: 5611.63210563, 24 hour low: 580.0, 24 hour high: 602.3, 24 hour vwap: 592.337568602

14:36:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06439287 = 1.2879 BTC [+]

14:37:14 chetty: Obama announces 275 US troops WILL be sent to Iraq to protect American embassy in Baghdad days after saying they would not return = suicide mission

14:37:17 los_pantalones: mike_c i've noticed a lot of people arguing that everyone who buys in the auction is going to sell into the market

14:37:20 mircea_popescu: mike_c more or lesss stable it seems

14:37:31 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones you didn't see people arguing that

14:37:40 jurov: mike_c i don't understand the sentiment, either... rather suspect someone hopes to win the auction and is tryng to dump the price

14:37:42 mike_c: that would be, retarded!

14:37:44 los_pantalones: not here, of course

14:37:44 mircea_popescu: you saw this guy : http://fraudsters.com/2014/this-is-just-about-everyone-on-the-internet/

14:37:45 assbot: This is just about everyone on the Internet pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:38:00 los_pantalones: hahahahah

14:38:10 mircea_popescu: jurov kinda nonsensical. if he dumps the price he gets competition.

14:38:40 jurov: yes.. i got no explanation then.

14:39:05 mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> mike_c more or lesss stable it seems << yeah, that surprises me. i would think it would be sliding towards no instead of staying stable.

14:39:05 los_pantalones: i thought the market should have rallied on the auction news, it wasn't necessarily clear how they would sell the coins

14:39:08 mircea_popescu: how about you know, derps paying voluntary stupid tax (again)

14:39:09 pankkake: can the exchanges even handle 20000 coins? that sounds risky for a quick profit

14:39:17 jurov: but still.. maybe it's the same derp who bought s.dice day after divs were paid

14:39:27 los_pantalones: and i think the process is not bad, chunky sizes to better financed entities

14:39:37 mircea_popescu: pankkake you don't have to use the exchanges. you can just undercut los_pantalones here :D

14:39:47 los_pantalones: mircea_popescu correct

14:39:57 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't worry too much if i were you.

14:40:01 pankkake: ;;ticker --market bitcoincentral --vol

14:40:02 gribble: 101.04901102

14:40:05 mircea_popescu: it's not a sale anyway. if anything, it's good news for you.

14:40:11 pankkake: ;;ticker --market bitstamp --vol

14:40:12 gribble: 5602.81348519

14:40:32 mircea_popescu: pankkake whoa shit, they're getting close to the 100 btc cutoff ?!

14:40:40 pankkake: it's daily volume

14:40:43 mircea_popescu: ah ah

14:40:56 mircea_popescu: i was about to say davout got 51 problems and a horse ain't one.

14:42:07 mike_c: jurov: for the record, my retarded comment was about buying the coins to sell, not your theory :) but i agree with mp that I don't think the bitstamp price will have much to do with the auction price.

14:42:38 mike_c: or, if i'm putting words in his mouth, then that's what i think at least.

14:42:46 mircea_popescu: close enough.

14:42:49 pankkake: will the prices be public?

14:42:49 los_pantalones: you have to submit a price on friday, find out if you win monday night

14:42:50 mircea_popescu: how was your father's day btw ?

14:43:07 los_pantalones: pankkake unclear, not much disclosed about what happens when you win

14:43:13 los_pantalones: sorry, if*

14:43:16 mike_c: mine? it was great. left the kid at grandma's and went out with the wife.

14:43:41 mircea_popescu: hahaha score.

14:44:39 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, my pyjamas have little octopuses on them, my table is an inch of glass, i prop my knee under it while sitting. 3rd fucking thims this morning i had a peripheral vision panic of "WHOA WTF ARE THOSE"

14:45:59 mircea_popescu: http://www.weirdspace.dk/LooneyTunes/Graphics/HeneryHawk.gif

14:46:13 davout: pankkake: "it's daily volume" <<< nothing that a couple 0-fee accounts can't fix anyway

14:46:38 mircea_popescu: o.O

14:47:13 kakobrekla: o cool

14:47:16 *: kakobrekla clicks apply.

14:47:24 jurov: mircea_popescu wears pyjamas? O.o

14:47:41 mircea_popescu: what do you wear

14:47:43 jurov: better go without (unless you fear snakes)

14:47:51 pankkake: not even a pajama suit

14:47:59 mircea_popescu: pankkake no, it's a suit alright.

14:48:16 mircea_popescu: well it doesn't have a vest, but anyway. got pockets and everything

14:49:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7937 @ 0.0000985 = 0.7818 BTC [-] {2}

14:50:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06644663 = 0.5316 BTC [-] {2}

14:50:50 mircea_popescu: http://muscleheadgym.wordpress.com/2013/08/29/i-scared-myself-today/ << i wonder how this guy's post'd look like if a cop had picked him up for gta, and then kept him under key until such a time a translator could establish the woman's not angry at having caught a thief but relieved at having been broken into her car.

14:50:51 assbot: I scared myself today | The Musclehead Gym

14:59:03 jurov: http://bitcoiner.sk/2014/06/09/bitcoin-tetovania-su-v-kurze-pozrite-sa-na-pravych-fanusikov-digitalnej-meny/#.U6BXf6bTbmE omgwtf

14:59:03 assbot: Bitcoin tetovania s v kurze. Pozrite sa na pravch fanikov digitlnej meny.

14:59:39 mircea_popescu: ?

15:00:59 jurov: sample: http://bitcoiner.sk/content/images/2014/Jun/12.jpg

15:02:29 jurov: she prolly forgot the text "insert bitcoins here"

15:02:53 jurov: but dunno if she got crypto capable cunt

15:02:53 kakobrekla: its inset buttcoins in the bck

15:02:57 kakobrekla: insert*

15:03:03 kakobrekla: back

15:03:08 kakobrekla: fuck cmon.

15:04:40 jurov: asciilifeform: what about S.NSA developing btc wallet that can be implanted into dick/cunt with NFC capability?

15:05:45 jurov: ofc, in the butt, too (butt one will be then configured by user to ask more)

15:05:55 mircea_popescu: lolk

15:07:40 davout: jurov: are you fucking crazy?

15:07:47 davout: who would use nfc for a bitcoin wallet??

15:08:08 pankkake: the real issue with his plan is the block size limit

15:08:10 chetty: hmm never actually considered getting a tattoo ....before

15:08:22 mircea_popescu: lmao

15:08:32 mircea_popescu: pankkake it has no cock size limit, you were lied to

15:08:35 pankkake: if it's one tx per entry

15:10:11 jurov: okay, not nfc. it makes more sense using actual electrodes, so physical contact is needed (and environment must be wet)

15:10:28 mircea_popescu: http://www.crocofetish.com/pictures/bdsm/bound-gangbangs/dp-in-submissive-slut-gangbang/11.jpg << doublespend

15:10:48 davout: i can't wait for the triple-entry accounting illustration

15:11:18 mircea_popescu: a'cuntin' ?

15:11:36 pankkake: somehow I feel the last links are NSFW

15:11:38 mircea_popescu: http://files.sharenator.com/They_said_I_could_be_anything_Infinite_Picdump_117-s598x462-311626-580.jpg << here you go.

15:11:52 mircea_popescu: pankkake since when are you employed ?!

15:11:58 davout: lol

15:12:07 pankkake: unfortunately…

15:12:50 mircea_popescu: french employment. where good pr0n is only a lick away

15:12:52 mircea_popescu: +c

15:12:55 mircea_popescu: or w/e

15:13:37 fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/multi-sig-bitcoin-wallet-provider-bitgo-raises-12-million/

15:13:38 assbot: Multi-Sig Bitcoin Wallet Provider BitGo Raises $12 Million

15:13:42 pankkake: my last employer was NSFW friendly though

15:13:58 davout: every decent employer is nsfw-friendly

15:14:17 davout: nsfw can also help improve security policies at the office

15:14:17 pankkake: i.e. I was expected to send porn to my "boss"

15:14:26 pankkake: how so?

15:15:35 davout: well, if each time you leave your desk without locking your session you find full-screen gay porn playing upon returning there you start paying attention to locking your session

15:16:12 jurov: davout, that depends :D

15:16:32 davout: lol, i guess it needs to be tailored to the target

15:17:04 pankkake: I am much more paranoid, gay porn is far from something I'd fear

15:17:28 pankkake: I always lock it + 5 min idle lock

15:17:55 asciilifeform: forgot to lock my console once at uni, in dorm. chums walked in, changed display background to a shot of winblows 'me'

15:18:38 davout: asciilifeform: it's much funnier to change the background to a full screen shot, and then hide the icons

15:18:39 pankkake: Windows Meuh

15:18:50 asciilifeform: davout: that's what it was

15:19:05 asciilifeform: jurov: fingerprint locks -> lose yer finger; cock wallet -> lose...

15:19:16 jurov: if i scale down the craziness, maybe tongue implant would actually work.. to pay or gpg sign something, one has to lick the electrodes

15:19:48 davout: jurov: that would work amazingly well if coupled to a buttwallet

15:19:48 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

15:19:54 asciilifeform: rectumprint.

15:20:06 asciilifeform: sit on a stake scanner.

15:20:08 asciilifeform: no thx

15:20:10 pankkake: well, http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/nov/28/tongue-piercing-disabled-paralysed-magentic-stud-wheelchairs-smartphone

15:20:11 assbot: Tongue piercing helps paralysed patients drive wheelchairs | Society | theguardian.com

15:20:46 chetty: so in Pennsylvania if you don{t log into a bank account for 6 months the state takes it

15:22:18 pankkake: even in France it's 30 years!

15:26:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00082244 = 27.6751 BTC [-] {3}

15:31:38 mircea_popescu: <jurov> davout, that depends :D << lol

15:33:04 mircea_popescu: <jurov> if i scale down the craziness, maybe tongue implant would actually work.. to pay or gpg sign something, one has to lick the electrodes << im not fucking licking anything

15:33:19 mircea_popescu: !up jediballs

15:35:05 chetty: http://online.wsj.com/articles/explosion-rips-through-gas-pipeline-in-central-ukraine-1403013593

15:35:05 assbot: Ukraine Gas Pipeline Explosion Won't Affect Supplies to Europe - WSJ

15:35:07 kakobrekla: lol wtf is this

15:35:07 kakobrekla: http://www.coindesk.com/delta-financial-offers-interest-bearing-bitcoin-accounts/

15:35:08 assbot: Delta Financial Offers Interest-Bearing Bitcoin Accounts

15:35:31 chetty: <mircea_popescu> <jurov> if i scale down the craziness, maybe tongue implant would actually work.. to pay or gpg sign something, one has to lick the electrodes << im not fucking licking anything<< well your slaves can do it

15:36:10 mircea_popescu: kinda meh

15:36:38 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla people desperate for bitcoin capital

15:36:47 mircea_popescu: it will only get worse.

15:37:30 kakobrekla: ah i get it, the bitfinex model

15:37:43 kakobrekla: i thought pirate was out of jail at first

15:38:06 mircea_popescu: lol

15:38:43 mircea_popescu: on the short term, 2015-2016, it'll be AMAZING what sort of interest people will be able to earn if they don't actually want their bitcoin capital back

15:39:23 mircea_popescu: increasingly more respectable firms will be offering btc denominated savings accounts with a fiat clause as the cheapest most accessible way to get in the game

15:40:06 mircea_popescu: (stuff like "deposit your bitcoin with for 50% per annum!!1" small print "repayable in either bitcoin or fiat at our option")

15:40:34 mircea_popescu: all the "everyone made ROI hand over fist with a 60% btc loss" crowd will be well served.

15:40:37 jurov: ftfy: "repayable at our option"

15:40:48 mircea_popescu: jurov that'll slowly go away.

15:41:00 mircea_popescu: it's cheaper to pay a few % and pretend like you've paid than to not pay at all.

15:41:16 mircea_popescu: the only reason this isn't the rule now is the relative small size of the deals, which makes cluelessness seaworthy

15:41:24 jurov: afaik it was the case with fiat before central banking

15:41:33 mircea_popescu: but even on a market of garr and nasty fucktards, it's slowly emerging

15:41:51 mircea_popescu: something like that yes.

15:42:13 mircea_popescu: early bank paper (banknotes) stoood to gold in a very similar relation. "deposit your gold, we'll pay 5976597985%. in gold. or maybe paper"

15:42:20 mircea_popescu: "it's just as good"

15:44:35 fluffypony: lol - 4chan campaign ends up IRL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exc6e3TUBWk

15:44:36 assbot: #EndFathersDay - a Twitter Campaign to End Patriarchy & Oppression - #SingleMothersDay - YouTube

15:45:28 pankkake: paying dividends seems the way to keep investors happy

15:45:33 pankkake: until, of course, well

15:45:54 pankkake: "they pay dividends" is the usual retort to any criticism

15:46:06 mircea_popescu: yeah, it's been through the years the most popular scam. "deposit lump sum, we'll pay you a few %s of it a few times. annuity ftw!"

15:46:31 mircea_popescu: but re the paper conundrum, take this ancient quote : fraudsters.com/digging-through-archives-yields-gold

15:47:43 chetty: http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/feds-put-signs-telling-cats-stay-away/#axzz34uDAcwHz

15:47:43 assbot: Feds put up signs telling cats to stay away (Psst! Cat's can't read.) | The Libertarian Republic

15:48:07 mircea_popescu: Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business.

15:48:07 mircea_popescu: Then knowledgeable people complain that the evil financial network is heading for disaster, that the government sponsored enterprises are about to cause a “collapse of the total financial system”, as Wallison and Alan Greenspan complained in 2005, the government debates shrinking the evil government sponsored enterprises, as with “S. 190 [109th]: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005″ but they

15:48:08 mircea_popescu: seductive, and S. 190 goes down in flames before a horde of political activists chanting that easy money is sound, and opposing it is racist, nazi, ignorant, and generally hateful, the recent S. 190 debate on limiting portfolios (bond issue supporting dud mortgages) by government sponsored enterprises being a perfect reprise of the debates on limiting the issue of new assignats in the 1790s.

15:48:12 mircea_popescu: The big and easy government attacks on money target a single central money issuer, as with the first of the modern political attacks, the French Assignat of 1792, but in the late nineteenth century political attacks on financial networks began, as for example the Federal reserve act of 1913, the goal always being to wind up the network into a single too big to fail entity, and they have been getting progressively bigger,

15:48:17 mircea_popescu: ore disastrous, as with the most recent one. Each attack is hugely successful, and after the cataclysm that the attack causes the attackers are hailed as saviors of the poor, the oppressed, and the nation generally, and the blame for the the bad consequences is dumped elsewhere, usually on Jews, greedy bankers, speculators, etc, because such attacks ar

15:48:32 mircea_popescu: guy knew EXACTLY what was going to be going on, back in... 2009.

15:49:06 mircea_popescu: this is also why stomping out us influence in bitcoin is quite so critical for its survival at this juncture.

15:49:18 mircea_popescu: they seem to not wish to submit, so they will have to be killed, pretty much.

15:55:52 jurov: !up chax

15:56:09 jurov: !up chax

15:56:22 mircea_popescu: lol the voiceless!

15:56:29 fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/search-ideal-bitcoin-jurisdiction/

15:56:30 assbot: In Search of the Ideal Bitcoin Jurisdiction

16:00:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.94523860 BTC to 9`095 shares, 21388 satoshi per share

16:00:27 los_pantalones: i always thought UAE would be the best jurisdiction for btc

16:00:37 los_pantalones: they already trade with everyone in the world

16:00:41 los_pantalones: and get stuck with USD

16:02:17 los_pantalones: but "jurisdiction" seems like a pointless word

16:02:25 los_pantalones: for something that operates outside borders

16:03:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00082518 = 5.1161 BTC [+]

16:06:35 jurov: los_pantalones what's better word for poor schmucks like me that need to get the fiat out somehow?

16:06:54 los_pantalones: out of the country ?

16:07:04 los_pantalones: where you reside ?

16:07:23 jurov: slovankia/eu. but the VAT needs not be such a big problem as the paint it

16:07:30 jurov: *they

16:08:05 jurov: it isn't so much yet it would require offshore solution

16:14:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00081947 = 12.5379 BTC [-]

16:16:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00081861 = 10.1098 BTC [-] {2}

16:20:18 chetty: I dont see tax so much the issue as the bank squeeze

16:20:49 los_pantalones: chetty agreed

16:21:19 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/17/why-its-over-for-litecoin/

16:22:43 davout: did anyone buy the emblematic iranian shoes?

16:38:23 mircea_popescu: nope

16:38:25 mircea_popescu: which were those ?

16:40:55 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete you know, your litecoin article'd benefit from a lot more reductio ad absurdum and other directly-obvious proofs to displace most of the appeals to authority.

16:40:55 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:41:42 mircea_popescu: if you say "<<At around US$30/LTC, it?s more affordable to outright purchase too. >> This author, like many a CoinDesker, is of the mistaken belief that buying a whole shitty thing just because you can afford it is better than buying a part of something far superior. Today, you can buy a million satoshis for $6 or you can buy most of the Dogecoin for sale on the market. Incredibly, some people will actually go for the la

16:41:43 mircea_popescu: ense. ?Affordability? isn?t what you think it is."

16:41:55 mircea_popescu: you're not helping your reader all that much.

16:42:22 mircea_popescu: if you say "By this logic, it is better to buy half of a pair of boots than a whole car" you are.

16:43:08 mircea_popescu: Right off the bat, we see that Litecoin is pitched at the ?average user.? This, of course, is a huge red flag that Litecoin is doomed to failure. Anything aimed at the lowest common denominator must necessarily be shit. <<< like what, like air ?

16:43:25 mircea_popescu: take pussy for instance. pussy is constructed with the average user in mind. it's not shit, that's a different hole.

16:43:52 mircea_popescu: too strong statements put you in the unenviable position that a ready counterexample can be constructed that speaks to what you say, and then your entire argument looks weak, where it needn't.

16:45:31 davout: mircea_popescu: http://persianshoes.com/product/m126/

16:45:32 assbot: M126 | Persian Shoes

16:45:35 davout: their shoes look rad

16:46:32 davout: also they were featured i some tv bitcoin documentary, what decided me to get some was how the iranian shoe maker made fun of the western journalists shoes

16:47:04 davout: handmade shoes for 150 bucks, plus i get to transact with iran

16:47:54 mircea_popescu: i dont see what's so special about them but anyway

16:48:19 davout: i desire them, that's what's special

16:48:28 mircea_popescu: aite then. dealing with iran isn't such a bad thing anyway

16:48:40 mircea_popescu: i recall back in 2012 when i was beating the bushes for sane iranian peoples lol

16:51:16 jurov: terrorist shoes!!1

16:52:02 jurov: !up adrrr

16:53:44 jurov: http://i.imgur.com/IZkEbgI.jpg

16:53:56 jurov: sfw

16:59:10 mircea_popescu: !up edlund10

16:59:25 edlund10: thanks

16:59:47 edlund10: http://bitbet.us/bet/901/fifa-world-cup-2014-goal-in-under-10/

16:59:47 assbot: BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.29 B (67%) on Yes, 0.14 B (33%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 7 hours | weight: 78`609 (100`000 to 1)

17:00:02 edlund10: this bet should be already resolved as yes :)

17:00:37 mircea_popescu: leave a comment there then

17:00:52 edlund10: i left it, but wasn't sure if it's enough

17:04:03 mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler

17:04:09 Dimsler: https://i.imgur.com/cG07rQU.jpg

17:04:10 Dimsler: lol

17:04:12 Dimsler: btc

17:04:44 Dimsler: i can't wait until the first kidnapping for btc occurs

17:05:22 mircea_popescu: i can't wait until people start reading the logs before they think they're being all newsworthy and shit

17:05:25 mircea_popescu: !down Dimsler

17:05:44 jurov: Dimsler,last i heard BingoBoingo arranges one with FARC

17:07:37 adrrr: bitbet odds are so ugly

17:08:55 mircea_popescu: how so

17:10:25 kakobrekla: adrrr the design approval committee was colorblind

17:10:29 fluffypony: ;;later tell moiety I think I found the first cat that can take on a manul: http://i.imgur.com/PZNxrN4.jpg

17:10:29 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:10:51 fluffypony: kakobrekla: I thought it was the same design committee that did the UI design for apex?

17:10:55 fluffypony: s/apex/mpex

17:11:20 adrrr: kakobrekla: I didn't talk about the design, but the number

17:12:01 kakobrekla: fluffypony there is some intersection for sure.

17:12:19 kakobrekla: adrrr you want the number bigger or smaller?

17:12:24 kakobrekla: i can fix it in the css.

17:13:07 jurov: .odds: {font-family: comic-sans;}

17:13:15 adrrr: no not css or anything. By the way nice website ! I just think the odds are to bad to play. It's just what I think :D

17:13:50 kakobrekla: well

17:14:01 kakobrekla: is bigger one bigger than smaller one or no

17:14:57 jurov: adrr for example this for example had very good odds: http://bitbet.us/bet/901/fifa-world-cup-2014-goal-in-under-10/

17:14:57 assbot: BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.29 B (67%) on Yes, 0.14 B (33%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 6 hours | weight: 78`570 (100`000 to 1)

17:15:05 jurov: so what is the problem?

17:15:05 kakobrekla: i guess it depends if its == or ===.

17:15:36 pankkake: just do == || === to be sure

17:15:40 pankkake: unless you want == && ===

17:16:00 benkay: <kakobrekla> adrrr the design approval committee was colorblind // ah i always knew it mircea_popescu is a DAC

17:16:01 kakobrekla: i usually use the shorthand ==(=)

17:16:14 mircea_popescu: lol

17:16:21 jurov: kakobrekla usually uses 100-second minutes

17:16:59 kakobrekla: did you know a day is two nights long

17:16:59 benkay: or .1...but it doesn't matter, you know?

17:17:03 adrrr: anyway this is a good website

17:17:27 benkay: make sure your odds are ======== reality before betting

17:17:40 adrrr: yeah that's it

17:17:50 pankkake: adrrr: yes. I use it more for fun than profit. or at least that's what I tell myself :D

17:17:55 benkay: and your fees are ======= 0

17:18:07 pankkake: 0 rounded up

17:18:18 benkay: yeah hey i mean they're really small numbers

17:19:45 adrrr: sport bet website in bitcoins have bigger number than sport bet normal website. I think this is a good thing for bitcoin cause a lot of gamblers will realize that

17:20:13 benkay: bigger numbers are definitely best numbers

17:20:24 pankkake: no, not bigger. just more numbers

17:20:43 pankkake: adrrr: you might like http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/bitbet-affiliate-ad/

17:20:43 assbot: BitBet Affiliate Ad - Btc Alpha

17:20:45 adrrr: lol I don't understand you, can we say better odds?

17:22:19 kakobrekla: would a smaller or bigger font be better ?

17:22:44 pankkake: !up adrrr

17:22:45 adrrr: that's not a problem of font

17:23:06 adrrr: you're kidding me

17:23:06 kakobrekla: but it would make the number smaller or bigger. :(

17:23:13 jurov: adrrr please say cmplete informatin or example - where do you get better odds?

17:23:44 jurov: if you don't qualify you easily become butt of jokes

17:23:46 []bot: Bet placed: 1.25 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/944/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.13602464 BTC. Current weight: 93,558.

17:25:09 adrrr: For example on this bet : 0.29 B (67%) on Yes, 0.14 B (33%) on No

17:25:19 adrrr: When I see that I just don't wanna bet

17:25:37 davout: adrrr: that's because it's pari mutuel

17:25:37 adrrr: I'm gonna try to find an example with goods odds

17:25:47 davout: the way people bet is the way odds are defined

17:26:09 adrrr: oh so I'm a noob lol I didn't saw that

17:26:40 adrrr: It's a good idea !

17:26:43 adrrr: lol

17:27:12 mircea_popescu: lolk

17:27:43 kakobrekla: so we are not changing the css?

17:27:48 adrrr: ahaha

17:28:13 adrrr: everything is fine kakobrekla

17:28:19 kakobrekla: kk!

17:28:20 mircea_popescu: better change it just to be sure (tm)

17:28:22 adrrr: I'll tell you what to do next ;)

17:30:29 fluffypony: kakobrekla: needs more jQuery

17:30:37 fluffypony: and webfonts

17:31:01 adrrr: and responsive design !

17:31:07 fluffypony: yes

17:31:11 fluffypony: and PDF reports

17:31:20 pankkake: responsive is actually a good thing

17:31:32 pankkake: I like to have a narrow browser window and some websites really suck at it

17:31:55 pankkake: I hope you do your math with jquery http://r3dux.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/NotEnoughjQuery.jpg

17:32:55 benkay: you mean the dollar?

17:33:02 benkay: i do all of my ui with the htmldollar

17:33:24 adrrr: the picture is a joke

17:35:05 fluffypony: adrrr: it's serious business

17:35:31 adrrr: no it was just to explain to benkay that this is a joke

17:35:39 adrrr: (the picture)

17:38:58 Mats_cd03: whoevers behind Unicode 7.0 is challenged

17:39:40 Mats_cd03: new emoji, read like " cloud with tornado. snow capped mountain. white sun behind cloud."

17:40:18 Mats_cd03: http://emojipedia.org/new-emoji/

17:41:30 jurov: Mats_cd03 we aren't there yet. apparently there's still "diversity gap": http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2459629,00.asp

17:41:30 assbot: Vulcan Salute, Middle Finger Among 250 New Emojis | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

17:41:55 jurov: "the lineup still doesn't include any African-American characters"

17:42:19 Mats_cd03: lol what

17:46:10 fluffypony: ;;ud figjam

17:46:11 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=figjam | Also a song, "FIGJAM (Fuck I'm Good Just Ask Me)" by Butterfingers, an Australian band. Bob: "Ahhh, finished tiling that roof at last..." Alan: "Yeah, FIGJAM!".

17:50:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00082518 = 18.8141 BTC [+]

17:53:52 kakobrekla: !up adrrr

17:53:59 kakobrekla: ah he gone.

17:54:14 kakobrekla: i was just about to say something.

17:54:52 kakobrekla: o wait

17:56:10 kakobrekla: !up adrrr

17:56:30 kakobrekla: get yourself in the wont if you want to talk

17:56:37 kakobrekla: or wot

17:56:41 adrrr: yep i'm in

17:56:50 adrrr: i was just not logged in

17:57:03 kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot adrrr

17:57:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35752 @ 0.0008247 = 29.4847 BTC [-] {2}

17:57:10 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask adrrr!~adrrr@APuteaux-652-1-213-139.w90-44.abo.wanadoo.fr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user adrrr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=adrrr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=adrrr | Rated since: Thu May 22 05:23:03 2014

17:57:22 kakobrekla: a ok

17:58:16 FabianB: $vwap s.mpoe

17:58:16 empyex: FabianB: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00082071 high: 0.0008265 low: 0.00081569 volume: 1300456 btc: 1067.29102587 7 day: average: 0.00082605 high: 0.00086895 low: 0.00081496 volume: 6563631 btc: 5421.87815351 30 day: average: 0.00087011 high: 0.00094991 low: 0.00079351 volume: 26687590 btc: 23221.15595391

17:58:35 FabianB: $vwap s.bbet

17:58:36 empyex: FabianB: S.BBET 1 day: average: 0.0005 high: 0.0005 low: 0.0005 volume: 1719 btc: 0.8595 7 day: average: 0.0005 high: 0.0005 low: 0.0005 volume: 1719 btc: 0.8595 30 day: average: 0.00048526 high: 0.000525 low: 0.00047 volume: 8347 btc: 4.050485

17:59:31 kakobrekla: 4 btc, almost record volume

18:01:41 jurov: $vwap f.mpif

18:01:42 empyex: jurov: F.MPIF 1 day: no data 7 day: no data 30 day: average: 0.00021705 high: 0.00021726 low: 0.00021536 volume: 95749 btc: 20.78211468

18:01:53 jurov: :(

18:03:19 jurov: okay, if 30day volume will be NaN then it propagates into NAV calculation and all hell will break loose

18:03:49 jurov: *30day price, i mean

18:03:51 FabianB: curious about the next bbet statement

18:06:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53950 @ 0.00081952 = 44.2131 BTC [-] {2}

18:08:32 FabianB: all worldcup bets should be resolved this period

18:11:58 mike_c: vwap30 if vwap30 else last_sale

18:13:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0699 = 0.699 BTC [+]

18:14:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 35 @ 0.02 = 0.7 BTC [+] {2}

18:17:31 FabianB: $traded

18:17:32 empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.BBET S.MPOE X.EUR

18:25:33 adrrr: mpex.co need a good redesign ^^

18:26:40 kakobrekla: iirc black version existed?

18:27:08 FabianB: still does

18:27:25 FabianB: http://mpex.co/?r=1

18:27:26 assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.

18:27:37 pankkake: uglier than I remember

18:29:36 kakobrekla: dunno why but the thing reminds me of http://gli.tc/h/2112/

18:29:37 assbot: GLI.TC/H 2112: DEC 6-9:CHICAGO ++

18:30:13 pankkake: well the white version looks much worse without my base firefox styles: https://i.imgur.com/uCtNgFa.png (except for graph integration)

18:30:31 kakobrekla: lots of fun css files in the dropdown

18:30:34 mike_c: ouch. black version needs to grey the background of the input box. much contrast.

18:30:40 kakobrekla: something like dat should be made for mpex

18:30:58 kakobrekla: for anyone that complains.

18:32:23 kakobrekla: example http://gli.tc/h/2112/index.php?css=8linkli_mrgnhgbyflwrs.css

18:32:23 assbot: GLI.TC/H 2112: DEC 6-9:CHICAGO ++

18:41:43 jurov: http://live.coinbr.com/images/mpex-sans-fs8.png totally rocks

18:42:47 fluffypony: yeah agreed jurov

18:42:49 fluffypony: that should be the default

18:43:17 FabianB: [√] empyex commands documented ( http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots )

18:43:17 assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]

18:43:48 jurov: body { background: pink; font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; }

18:45:08 pankkake: $proxies

18:45:08 empyex: pankkake: http://mpex.coinbr.com/ http://mpex.co/

18:45:12 assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.

18:45:36 pankkake: $mpexlag

18:45:36 empyex: pankkake: 145 milliseconds

18:45:43 pankkake: $unconfirmed

18:45:44 empyex: pankkake: 1794

18:46:08 pankkake: $avg

18:46:09 empyex: pankkake: 597.67

18:50:04 FabianB: jurov: mpex.coinbr.com down?

18:50:27 jurov: looks so

18:53:06 jurov: lol spot instances for $10/hr? someone gonna cry

18:55:02 pankkake: ;;buy 1 Firefly dinos @ 50 USD Get it shipped to you, reship it to France https://www.thinkgeek.com/product/156d/

18:55:04 assbot: ThinkGeek :: Firefly Inevitable Betrayal Dinosaurs with Sound

18:55:04 gribble: Error: 'dinos' is not a valid price input.

18:55:37 FabianB: jurov: for coinbr?

18:55:50 pankkake: ;;view 20769

18:55:52 gribble: #20769 Tue Jun 17 14:55:19 2014 pankkake BUY 1.0 Firefly dinos @ 50 USD (Get it shipped to you, reship it to France https://www.thinkgeek.com/product/156d/)

18:56:10 jurov: no,for the proxy... that's why it is down

18:57:22 FabianB: jurov: should i remove it from the list of proxies for now?

18:57:51 jurov: no, i'll relauch it elsewhere in a moment

18:58:18 FabianB: k

19:00:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/06/17/turkish_media_ban_media_in_turkey_stopped_from_covering_isis_abductions.html

19:00:33 assbot: Turkish media ban: Media in Turkey stopped from covering ISIS abductions.

19:03:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00082518 = 13.9455 BTC [+]

19:05:29 thestringpuller: $book

19:05:31 thestringpuller: oops

19:05:36 thestringpuller: $depth MPOE

19:05:36 empyex: thestringpuller: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SFsBrGeQ

19:05:40 thestringpuller: grr

19:05:44 thestringpuller: $ticker MPOE

19:05:51 thestringpuller: $help

19:05:51 empyex: thestringpuller: Commands: '$avg' '$conference' '$depth' '$depth <mpsic>' '$email' '$help' '$moo' '$mpexlag' '$post <pastebin-url-with-signcrypted-mpex-command>' '$proxies' '$traded' '$unconfirmed' '$vwap' '$vwap <mpsic>'

19:06:01 thestringpuller: $moo

19:06:01 empyex: thestringpuller: It's starting to sound like Wal-Mart in here.

19:07:01 mod6: did that one just replace pympex?

19:07:12 mod6: err mpexbot?

19:10:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00082554 = 21.464 BTC [+] {2}

19:16:33 jurov: mod6 no, just supplements it

19:18:10 FabianB: mod6: mpexbot yes

19:18:34 mod6: ahh.

19:19:07 FabianB: thestringpuller: the mpsic is S.MPOE

19:19:20 FabianB: $depth s.mpoe

19:19:20 empyex: FabianB: [S.MPOE] Bids: 12750 @ 0.00082518 23135 @ 0.00082292 12291 @ 0.00082269 27100 @ 0.00081885

19:19:21 empyex: FabianB: [S.MPOE] Asks: 3185 @ 0.00082558 14052 @ 0.00082650 40100 @ 0.00082715 31438 @ 0.00082725

19:20:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00082356 = 34.9189 BTC [-] {3}

19:24:05 FabianB: hmm.. thinking if i should let empyex tell thestringpuller to get the mpsics right instead of letting it default to raw depth

19:24:40 pankkake: it should kick you everytime you make an error

19:26:02 FabianB: lol

19:26:32 FabianB: i guess that would be more assbot's style

19:26:47 jurov: it should do bait

19:40:06 []bot: Bet created: "Petamine at over .08 per share before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/946/

19:45:54 []bot: Bet created: "World Cup 2014: At least one red card issued during the final" http://bitbet.us/bet/947/

19:52:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29977 @ 0.0008245 = 24.716 BTC [+] {2}

19:52:49 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

19:52:50 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 596.3, Best ask: 597.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 595.85, 24 hour volume: 4787.75305818, 24 hour low: 580.0, 24 hour high: 602.0, 24 hour vwap: 592.934258693

19:53:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14052 @ 0.0008265 = 11.614 BTC [+]

19:55:50 BingoBoingo: %book

19:55:51 atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 0k@180 0k@176 0k@172

20:03:12 []bot: Bet created: "World Cup 2014: Brazil to win" http://bitbet.us/bet/948/

20:17:20 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu thanks for the tips! i made a few amendments at those points.

20:17:21 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:18:00 BingoBoingo: http://valleywag.gawker.com/gym-bags-full-of-cash-is-a-great-metaphor-for-celebrity-1591996703/+laceydonohue

20:18:00 assbot: Gym Bags Full of Cash Is a Great Metaphor for Celebrity Tech Investing

20:24:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.20000004 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2}

20:25:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4078 @ 0.00082654 = 3.3706 BTC [+]

21:43:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.000827 = 4.8793 BTC [+]

22:12:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2493 @ 0.00082654 = 2.0606 BTC [-]

22:31:29 benkay: !up gabriel_laddel

22:31:31 kakobrekla: gl benkay

22:31:50 kakobrekla: !up gabriel_laddel

22:31:52 kakobrekla: ha

22:32:02 kakobrekla: how many asseters does it take to up gabriel_laddel

22:32:04 benkay: what is even state

22:32:13 gabriel_laddel: monads

22:32:38 *: kakobrekla gets off the fail train

22:37:02 jurov: http://animals.io9.com/why-are-these-bears-having-oral-sex-1590980883

22:37:03 assbot: Why Are These Bears Having Oral Sex?

22:38:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.0008254 = 24.8033 BTC [-] {2}

22:51:21 mircea_popescu: o hey nice find

22:52:15 mircea_popescu: so only mammals that like fruits are cocksuckers ?

22:55:44 BingoBoingo: ;;tslb

22:55:47 gribble: Time since last block: 13 minutes and 47 seconds

22:57:16 mircea_popescu: lol all the mpex css modders!

22:58:38 mircea_popescu: jurov: it should do bait << it should do mp approved bait.

22:58:43 mircea_popescu: want a list of tumblrs ?

22:59:22 jurov: FabianB: ^

22:59:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.201 = 0.603 BTC [-]

23:00:47 mircea_popescu: so i took fluffypony's advice and hired a coupla dozen fiverr kids. since pretty much the only thing they seem to be able to do that's useful is put up/distribute flyers on their campus, im having a coupla dozen do that

23:01:00 mircea_popescu: curious what exactly comes out of this

23:01:07 BingoBoingo: Nice, what campuses are these?

23:01:31 mircea_popescu: i dunno, mostly us

23:01:53 BingoBoingo: Ah, just wondering if I might stumble into any this week

23:03:28 BingoBoingo: %ticker

23:03:31 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 235 Last Price: 150 24h-Vol: 3k High: 180 Low: 150 VWAP: 153

23:04:06 Naphex: "Andreas Antonopolous delivers a stunning presentation of crypto currency to a virtual room full of knowledge seeking students."

23:04:27 Naphex: who writes these titles o.o

23:04:39 BingoBoingo: %book

23:04:40 atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140

23:05:48 jurov: ;;ticker

23:05:49 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 605.98, Best ask: 607.49, Bid-ask spread: 1.51000, Last trade: 607.49, 24 hour volume: 6175.46701712, 24 hour low: 580.0, 24 hour high: 608.88, 24 hour vwap: 595.703307988

23:06:31 mircea_popescu: o look who's back

23:06:54 Naphex: i got back a while ago, but mostly just sitting and idling

23:07:10 jurov: !up dR3buttnix

23:07:13 mircea_popescu: makes two of us lol

23:07:14 Naphex: trying to lax a bit before getting multicurrency live

23:07:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i vaguely remember chicago something or the other.

23:08:35 BingoBoingo: I'm not headed that far north soon, but I'll keep a look out.

23:11:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00082545 = 3.3843 BTC [+]

23:14:19 penguirker: New blog post: http://devilsadvocate.biz/bitcoin-upward-trend-a-prediction-for-legs-4-5/

23:21:20 penguirker: New blog post: http://devilsadvocate.biz/litecoins-swan-song/

23:26:56 asciilifeform: i get up for one day into meatspace, and back - and now 'rentacoder' is back from the dead?! or what is that 'fiver' thing

23:28:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rentabonger.

23:28:17 asciilifeform: ;;ud bonger

23:28:18 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bonger | Upload a picture of bonger. 2. bongers. greatest last name granted to a person. Usually resides in a man cave, playing madden. Very fun name to say. Ladies ...

23:28:57 TheNewDeal: bc,stats

23:29:14 mike_c: mircea_popescu: flyers promoting what?

23:30:16 mircea_popescu: mike_c i'd show you but i'm ashamed

23:30:17 mircea_popescu: it's a pdf

23:30:54 asciilifeform: shame or not, there still exists no universal replacement for pdf (unless you count postscript)

23:30:56 mike_c: ooh, now I'm the curious one.

23:31:11 mike_c: it's for your band isn't it?

23:31:36 mircea_popescu: mnope

23:31:50 mircea_popescu: ok ok here we go :

23:32:11 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/flyer.pdf

23:32:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't count post script, because you're dealing with random college kids.

23:33:59 mike_c: hm, that is interesting. seems like it will be difficult to measure the effect.

23:34:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your students hablan ingl?s ?

23:34:24 TheNewDeal: los estudiantes

23:34:30 mircea_popescu: mike_c buy some kids a beer. what effect do you expect ?

23:34:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which you mean ?

23:34:45 asciilifeform: the locals

23:34:49 mircea_popescu: it's fiverr not cinqueeee

23:34:52 asciilifeform: (presumably meatspace flyer ?)

23:34:58 asciilifeform: aha

23:36:09 mike_c: well, effects would be: 1) do they do the work (maybe they have to send you a pic?) 2) does anyone read it

23:37:05 mike_c: i spend too much time trying to figure out which 50% of advertising works.

23:37:20 mthreat: pearl necklaces hah

23:37:47 mircea_popescu: mike_c in general i find us kids can be more or less trusted to go through the motions / respect the formal parts of the spec

23:38:04 TheNewDeal: Bitcoins foremost educational resource

23:38:05 TheNewDeal: love it

23:38:06 mircea_popescu: they don't usually do anything useful, but it's never for lack of pretending like they tried.

23:38:23 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i had something similar in romanian a few years ago

23:38:34 mircea_popescu: it drove people NUTS

23:38:41 TheNewDeal: hahaha

23:39:11 mircea_popescu: they'd have like beer parties dedicated to discussing just how fucking just not done such deeds are.

23:39:57 TheNewDeal: like Nikola Tesla nuts or Timothy McVeigh nuts?

23:40:20 mircea_popescu: like angry german kid nuts

23:40:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC [-]

23:40:26 mircea_popescu: or w/e, reddit nuts

23:40:33 TheNewDeal: ewww

23:41:58 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

23:41:59 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 603.31, Best ask: 606.71, Bid-ask spread: 3.40000, Last trade: 604.58, 24 hour volume: 6255.76911036, 24 hour low: 580.0, 24 hour high: 608.88, 24 hour vwap: 595.9930859

23:42:37 BingoBoingo: !jd mpif

23:42:37 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.86463072 BTC; -0.23519938 BTC (-0.1375%) since last check 1d 2h 59m 48s ago.

23:42:46 BingoBoingo: Needs moar klye

23:42:56 mircea_popescu: totally.

23:50:23 Mats_cd03: i can't tell if you're trying to bait college feminists into marketing fraudsters

23:50:32 Mats_cd03: or just being yourself.

23:52:52 TheNewDeal: what if he is accomplishing both at the same time

23:53:08 TheNewDeal: insert Neo meme